Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - White House SMEARS Rittenhouse AGAIN, Psaki Doubles Down On Defamation w-Peter Navarro

00:00:00.000 Today, Jen Psaki was asked about Kyle Rittenhouse and whether or not Joe Biden would apologize

00:00:16.000 for implying in a video that he was a white supremacist.

00:00:19.000 And Jen Psaki was basically like, what do you mean? 0.97

00:00:21.000 He took pictures of the Proud Boys, right?

00:00:23.000 And all of a sudden I see across Twitter people being like, well, that's securing a defamation lawsuit because it's not true.

00:00:32.000 But, you know, the problem is white supremacist is an opinion.

00:00:36.000 So we will see if Kyle actually ends up filing a defamation lawsuit.

00:00:40.000 Now, interestingly, in his interview with Tucker Carlson, he said the phrase actual malice, which is a legal phrase, which implies young Mr. Rittenhouse has been talking with some lawyers about what Mr. Biden, Mr. President Biden said.

00:00:52.000 And it seems entirely possible.

00:00:54.000 So we'll definitely get into that.

00:00:55.000 We also have the Rittenhouse precedent, which is triggering a bunch of left wing activists.

00:00:59.000 They're freaking out.

00:01:00.000 And the funny thing is, there's no real precedent.

00:01:03.000 Self-defense has always been a privilege, an affirmative defense, if you, you know, kill somebody.

00:01:09.000 Heaven forbid.

00:01:10.000 And now they're surprised.

00:01:11.000 Why?

00:01:11.000 Well, these rioters got away with it for too long.

00:01:13.000 I mean, for nearly a decade, I've watched these extremists go through the streets, smashing and destroying and becoming emboldened, and finally now, they're actually worried that people are gonna go out and defend their communities.

00:01:23.000 And I gotta be honest, I think there's a reasonable fear that people might go out.

00:01:26.000 We don't want active conflict in that regard.

00:01:29.000 And then, of course, we have the economy, which is in very serious trouble.

00:01:32.000 We're being told not to buy turkeys.

00:01:34.000 We're also simultaneously being told there's no turkey shortage, there is a turkey shortage, and maybe try tofurkey instead.

00:01:39.000 You know what?

00:01:40.000 The St.

00:01:40.000 Louis Fed says tofurkey's cheaper.

00:01:42.000 Try the soy-based garbage instead.

00:01:45.000 Now, I think Americans not being able to get turkey is going to be a big wake-up call for a lot of people about what's happening with the Biden government and the economy.

00:01:52.000 And we've got one of the best people imaginable to actually talk to us about this.

00:01:56.000 We've got Peter Navarro.

00:01:57.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:01:58.000 Tim, my friend, before I do that, let me just salute you.

00:02:03.000 Look, as we talk about the news today, there's a diaspora out there of folks like you who basically are speaking truth to power, and the dissonance between what the American people are being fed on the MSNBCs and CNNs and Jen Psaki's is this world Versus the reality that folks like you are bringing to the table are really important.

00:02:29.000 And one of the ways I found myself here today, Tim, is through a mutual friend, Jack Pasoba, right?

00:02:37.000 He's like doing really good things at human events.

00:02:40.000 And one of the things I listen to is his podcast in the morning when I'm kind of working out a little bit at the beginning of the day.

00:02:51.000 And, you know, listen to Basobag, it's like we find out things like the victims, right, are not Boy Scouts, right?

00:03:00.000 We find out that the... In the Rittenhouse case.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, in the Rittenhouse case.

00:03:04.000 We find out that the mayor, the DA, and the lead detective are part of a family that seem to be consciously trying to shaped the trial in a way which is contrary to the facts.

00:03:22.000 You find out that there's doctored videos that were doctored in a way to make Rittenhouse look like he would lose his self-defense thing.

00:03:32.000 So then you see Biden or Psaki saying things like they're saying, and we're at a point now—I've been around a while, got a few miles on me— We're at a point now I've never seen before.

00:03:49.000 It's a total breakdown of the mainstream corporate fourth estate.

00:03:53.000 There's no truth to be had anymore.

00:03:56.000 And the American people aren't buying a lot of that.

00:03:59.000 If you look at the polling, the polling...

00:04:02.000 Absolutely.

00:04:03.000 is totally inconsistent with the narratives of the fake news.

00:04:08.000 So that means they're listening to folks like Tim Pool or Jack Posobiec, or a place I live

00:04:13.000 a lot at, Steve Bannon's War Room, as a co-host.

00:04:19.000 And so I'm happy to be here with you tonight, Tim.

00:04:22.000 Absolutely.

00:04:23.000 And let's jam.

00:04:24.000 Well, who are you?

00:04:25.000 Who am I?

00:04:26.000 So first and foremost, since I want to plug the heck out of this thing, I'm the author

00:04:34.000 of this new book called In Trump Time.

00:04:38.000 The title itself is something that I coined during my service in the Trump administration.

00:04:44.000 I was one of only three.

00:04:45.000 Senior officials in the Trump administration who was with the president all the way from the 2016 campaign where I was the top economic and trade advisor all the way to the end of what I like to refer to as his first term.

00:05:02.000 So the In Trump Time phrase became essentially the ethos and culture of the administration, something I came up early on in the iconic Situation Room, sitting around with a bunch of these deep administrative state bureaucrats.

00:05:18.000 I'm trying to, on behalf of the president, move a trade policy.

00:05:23.000 And all I'm getting is pushback.

00:05:25.000 And finally it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:05:28.000 We're doing this in Trump time, which is to say as soon as possible.

00:05:34.000 And you come back tomorrow with a plan to get this done in a week, not in six months.

00:05:40.000 And if that doesn't work for you, we'd be happy to send you out to Bethesda to count paperclips in a warehouse.

00:05:46.000 This is what we do.

00:05:50.000 That became like—and it really became important because I went from the China hawk in the administration, the guy who was a lot behind the steel and aluminum tariffs, the China tariffs, I ran the whole Buy American, Hire American program, I did like a dozen executive orders.

00:06:10.000 And that's the subtitle of the In Trump Time book.

00:06:12.000 It's my Journal of America's Plague Year.

00:06:14.000 And I turned into like the quartermaster for the pandemic, trying to figure out how did it get enough PPE.

00:06:21.000 And that's the subtitle of the In Trump Time book.

00:06:24.000 It's my journal of America's plague year. 0.90

00:06:27.000 And what I did was, it was really interesting, Tim.

00:06:29.000 When I got to the White House early on, the biggest shock to me, and it was truly a shock,

00:06:39.000 was that I faced as much opposition inside the White House perimeter from officials

00:06:46.000 who were trying to stop the president from doing the two transformational aspects of his agenda,

00:06:53.000 which was the secure borders and the fair trade policies.

00:06:58.000 And so what I did was I began keeping a daily journal every night when I went home, no matter how tired I was.

00:07:05.000 I recorded the notes for the day, and I did it not just because I thought I might be part of history some small or large way, but to hold people accountable.

00:07:17.000 for what quickly became apparent, their disloyalty to the president himself

00:07:17.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 as well as to his agenda.

00:07:27.000 So I mean, that's who I am.

00:07:29.000 I mean, I'm the guy who lasted the whole five years.

00:07:33.000 I'm the guy who was in charge of trade and manufacturing policy.

00:07:38.000 And regardless of any bad things people say about me in my service in the White House,

00:07:45.000 they'll say I was the guy who got stuff done in Trump time.

00:07:47.000 And so.

00:07:48.000 We got a lot to talk about.

00:07:49.000 Yeah, there's a lot to talk about.

00:07:51.000 So we're glad to have you, man.

00:07:53.000 I'm here, brother.

00:07:53.000 All right, we got a lot to get into.

00:07:56.000 The U.S.

00:07:57.000 Federal Reserve is telling people to eat soy to save money over turkeys. 0.94

00:08:02.000 I mean, I expected some intervention, not that kind of intervention, but holy freaking cow. 0.61

00:08:08.000 Welcome back, beautiful and amazing human beings.

00:08:10.000 And as you know, I like being ahead of the times, and that's why today I'm wearing a shirt that says Ghislaine Maxwell did not Bleep herself.

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00:08:49.000 Everyone's like, I knew it!

00:08:52.000 The truth is, hey, if you need to, you can pull that in if you want to leave it.

00:08:55.000 He's going to do a t-shirt for the end Trump time book.

00:08:58.000 Can you handle that?

00:08:59.000 Maybe.

00:08:59.000 We'll talk.

00:09:02.000 I got a deal for you.

00:09:07.000 This is like the Marie Antoinette of the Federal Reserve.

00:09:10.000 Why not?

00:09:11.000 I am also here in the corner.

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00:09:13.000 Let that be a tofurkey, right? 0.91

00:09:14.000 Why not?

00:09:15.000 Sure, why not?

00:09:16.000 I am also here in the corner, and I just want to tell you, Peter, you can pull your mic

00:09:20.000 up however close you want.

00:09:21.000 This way, yeah, okay.

00:09:22.000 Super flexible.

00:09:24.000 Here we go.

00:09:25.000 I'm very excited to have you because I really, really appreciate.

00:09:28.000 I kind of offend people because I'm like, I really appreciate the voice of the older generations because I want to know.

00:09:33.000 Oh, I am offended.

00:09:34.000 There we go.

00:09:36.000 But I really want to know if things have ever been this bad before, because I feel like we look at it and we're like, this is insane.

00:09:41.000 This is horrible.

00:09:42.000 And I'm like, is it really that bad?

00:09:44.000 Is it really that bad?

00:09:45.000 I guess we'll get into that during this episode.

00:09:46.000 So, you know, I went through the 50s, I went through the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and no, it's never been this bad.

00:09:51.000 Okay, great.

00:09:52.000 This is sui generis.

00:09:54.000 This is, this is just, just, just a brand new world.

00:09:58.000 Even like Vietnam, when they were like manipulating people into Vietnam, it was... No, this is, this is, that was all child's play compared to what's going on now, particularly from a macroeconomic standpoint. 0.62

00:10:09.000 The problems Think about this.

00:10:10.000 we are facing now, particularly with the uncertainty of when the pandemic may or may not end.

00:10:17.000 It's interesting. It's like in this interim time book, I talk about how I was the guy

00:10:23.000 in early February. Think about this. I'm the guy in early February who would write a dozen

00:10:28.000 memos that would jumpstart everything from the vaccine development to the therapeutics

00:10:34.000 like people are taking now the remdesivir, the monoclonal antibodies, things like that,

00:10:39.000 testing, PPE, all of that stuff.

00:10:46.000 One of the things I wrote in those early memos was that the vaccine would have to be supplemented by therapeutics and the virus may well be around for a long time because of its ability to mutate.

00:10:59.000 And that's the concern we face now.

00:11:03.000 We've got a lot more too.

00:11:05.000 I mean, politics, China, the inflation and stuff like that.

00:11:10.000 Yeah, we'll get into all that stuff.

00:11:11.000 So make sure before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member.

00:11:15.000 We're going to have a members only segment where we get into the nitty gritty dark stuff that I think this one's going to be pretty bold because we've already talked about a lot of stuff that's like YouTube unfriendly.

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00:11:39.000 Let's jump into the first story.

00:11:42.000 I hate to jump right back into like the news because we are getting going.

00:11:45.000 But let's do this because this is what we had set up and I think this is important as for the modern cultural stuff.

00:11:50.000 So we have this story from The Independent.

00:11:53.000 I chose The Independent on purpose for the source of this story.

00:11:57.000 Psaki links Kyle Rittenhouse to Proud Boys after teenager hits out at Biden over white supremacist defamation.

00:12:03.000 Secretary notes Rittenhouse's photo with right-wing group excluded from trial.

00:12:07.000 Interesting.

00:12:07.000 The reason I chose The Independent is because this is the outlet that claimed Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, I noticed that.

00:12:15.000 Which is not true.

00:12:17.000 So of all of the outlets that would like to make a comment on Kyle Rittenhouse and defamation, I thought this would be the funniest one to use.

00:12:25.000 The Independent says that Peter Doocy asked whether or not Mr. Biden would ever apologize to Mr. Rittenhouse for suggesting online and on TV that he's a white supremacist, and Psaki responded the video was meant to show how Trump actively encouraged white supremacists and right-wing militia groups during his presidency.

00:12:40.000 In her answer, she referred to a 2020 photo that showed Rittenhouse posing with a member of the Proud Boys.

00:12:46.000 Mr. Biden, she added, spoke to the verdict last week.

00:12:48.000 He has obviously condemned the hatred and division and violence we've seen around the country committed by groups like the Proud Boys and groups that individual has posed in photos with.

00:12:58.000 Ducey's question did not address the photo referenced by Secchi, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:01.000 I love it.

00:13:02.000 I love it.

00:13:02.000 I love this idea that how many conflicts are the Proud Boys involved in?

00:13:06.000 You know, a decent amount.

00:13:08.000 But have the Proud Boys ever gone out actively destroying neighborhoods, setting fires, firebombing buildings or anything like that?

00:13:15.000 Oh, wait, wait, wait.

00:13:16.000 Enrique Tarrio pulled down a banner that said Black Lives Matter and they burned it in the street.

00:13:21.000 Yep.

00:13:22.000 So that was that.

00:13:23.000 A multiracial person did that, by the way.

00:13:26.000 And the organization is not a white supremacist organization.

00:13:29.000 There's many people of color within it.

00:13:31.000 And again, it's just absurd the logic that they're using here.

00:13:34.000 OK, let's use the same logic.

00:13:35.000 Joe Biden took a picture with Putin.

00:13:38.000 Biden is the president of Russia. 0.98

00:13:39.000 Now, come on, that's ridiculous. 0.93

00:13:41.000 He's a Russian advocate. 0.99

00:13:42.000 No, no, no.

00:13:42.000 Actual malice.

00:13:42.000 That's a legal phrase.

00:13:43.000 Russian advocate.

00:13:44.000 Exactly.

00:13:45.000 And Kyle's words against the president yesterday on that Tucker Carlson interview were very

00:13:49.000 pointed.

00:13:50.000 And I think he's preparing for something bigger here because he said he's accusing the president

00:13:54.000 of using malice and defamation, as you mentioned before.

00:13:58.000 Actual malice.

00:13:59.000 That's a legal phrase.

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:01.000 Exactly.

00:14:02.000 Saying someone has malice, you know, in a public setting, like if you were like he was

00:14:05.000 maliciously smearing me or that smear was, you know, his malice.

00:14:08.000 I mean, that just basically means, like, they're mad at you.

00:14:10.000 They don't like you.

00:14:11.000 Actual malice is the legal standard by which you can sue a public figure.

00:14:17.000 So here's what I think happened.

00:14:18.000 I think Rittenhouse is talking to his lawyers, and they said, you know, we believe what Biden said about you was actual malice, or maybe something to that effect.

00:14:27.000 And then Kyle was like, oh yeah, in the colloquial sense, and then says it to Tucker.

00:14:32.000 But it sounds like he's being, you know, he's having these discussions.

00:14:35.000 Now, truth be told, you can call someone a white supremacist, and it is not defamation.

00:14:39.000 It's not.

00:14:40.000 It's an opinion.

00:14:41.000 Is it okay to give Saki a compliment, okay?

00:14:45.000 Of course.

00:14:46.000 Because after four years in the White House, I gotta hand it to her.

00:14:50.000 She lies.

00:14:51.000 She's pretty good.

00:14:52.000 Much better than anybody we had.

00:14:55.000 And I proposed the Jen Saki drinking game, by the way.

00:15:00.000 Oh boy.

00:15:00.000 Which was, every time she lied, you'd have to take a drink, a shot of sake, right?

00:15:06.000 You see?

00:15:07.000 Perfect, I see what you meant there, yeah.

00:15:10.000 And, you know, it'd be a short party because everybody'd be passed out on the floor within 30 minutes of the press conference.

00:15:17.000 But it's really, I mean, the thing that strikes me is that, again, you asked me kind of perspective from my age and things like that.

00:15:27.000 We've abandoned all notion of any kind of truth, and now it's just simply a battle of spin and narratives.

00:15:33.000 I mean, it's like you go—you wake up in the morning, and the CNN and NBC people are just lazy.

00:15:42.000 They let the spin and narrative come out of The New York Times and The Washington Post.

00:15:47.000 or whatever bullet points the political cannons might be sending them, and then off they run

00:15:52.000 with it. And then, you know, we've got folks on the other side of that, but I mean it's just, just...

00:15:58.000 Well, NBC, they're a lot worse than that. So during the trial, an endless NBC journalist

00:16:05.000 was trying to get photographs of the jury. I mean...

00:16:07.000 Yeah, it's like crazy.

00:16:10.000 Can you imagine that?

00:16:11.000 An MSNBC reporter following a juror to their home.

00:16:18.000 The jury busts all of them.

00:16:20.000 You'll never see Morning Joe wax eloquent on that. 0.99

00:16:25.000 These people are so hypocritical, like LeBron James on China. 0.99

00:16:30.000 I mean, look, it's like LeBron James will be the first one to just just trash this country upside the head. 1.00

00:16:30.000 Right. 1.00

00:16:37.000 I mean, it's oh, this is a terrible place to live.

00:16:39.000 But but then you got two million people in concentration camps in China and it's like, OK.

00:16:39.000 Right.

00:16:45.000 Did some basketball player wear like shoes or something?

00:16:53.000 Yes, there was a Boston Celtics player that wore a shoe depicting LeBron bending over of course China bowing down To Winnie the Pooh, as he was playing against LeBron James, who's also suspended for sucker punching another player.

00:17:09.000 My hero in the NBA is Enus Kanter.

00:17:12.000 I know this guy.

00:17:13.000 That's him.

00:17:13.000 He's the one who wore those shoes.

00:17:15.000 And so he's protesting now, and guess what?

00:17:18.000 He's sitting on the bench rather than playing.

00:17:20.000 This is not cool.

00:17:23.000 There's another NBA star here.

00:17:25.000 When Colin Kaepernick protested and eventually gets booed and nobody wants to have him around, I'm like, you get political, you get into it.

00:17:32.000 And they should.

00:17:33.000 I think we should have these debates.

00:17:34.000 I think we shouldn't be afraid of politicizing things.

00:17:36.000 Kwame Brown, another former NBA star, came out and he said, surprisingly, Kyle Rittenhouse acted in, quote, self-defense.

00:17:43.000 He goes on to say that the case was politicized for people to make a lot of money promoting racism at the expense of a teenager.

00:17:50.000 And a lot of people are resonating with those points after, of course, watching the trial that was a live stream and presented a different point of view that people were denied if, of course, they were watching the corporate media, which many of them didn't even put on the arguments that the defense was even making during this entire case, which is crazy.

00:18:08.000 You know what's crazy?

00:18:09.000 So the episode, I recorded a show with Joe Rogan last week.

00:18:14.000 It went up yesterday and I was reading some comments And people were saying like, you know, I'm watching this for, I'm listening for 45 minutes and I swear this guy's just making all this stuff up.

00:18:26.000 It's because they live in the world of CNN and MSNBC.

00:18:30.000 So when I sit there and say something like, Kyle Rittenhouse didn't cross state lines with a gun.

00:18:34.000 In fact, the DA, Binger, has charged Dominic Black under the same statute because of the straw purchase.

00:18:41.000 And I don't think it's a straw purchase charge, but they're basically saying you provided a weapon to a minor.

00:18:44.000 And then these people listen to that and they're like, that's not true.

00:18:47.000 Joy Reid told me he crossed Colbert said he crossed state lines.

00:18:51.000 I watch Colbert.

00:18:52.000 He's lying, isn't he?

00:18:53.000 And I keep saying fact check me.

00:18:55.000 Google this.

00:18:56.000 Take five seconds.

00:18:58.000 Just figure out we're telling you the truth.

00:19:00.000 This is the this is the important thing I want to say about the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff.

00:19:03.000 I hope everybody remembers when it came to this show when it came to my my morning show

00:19:08.000 that the seven witnesses we had.

00:19:10.000 We told you from the beginning it was self defense.

00:19:14.000 Everything that came out in the trial.

00:19:16.000 Maybe you're someone who only realized by watching the trial what was going on.

00:19:20.000 Watch our show.

00:19:21.000 You'll see we were never lying to you.

00:19:23.000 We had the witnesses here tell their stories.

00:19:25.000 Some of these same people have been on this show, went on to testify for the state and the defense in that trial.

00:19:31.000 And sure enough, the jury said, not guilty on all counts.

00:19:34.000 We had Will Chamberlain here who said the gun possession was legal.

00:19:38.000 The charge is bunk.

00:19:40.000 Guess what?

00:19:40.000 The judge said, actually, that's correct.

00:19:42.000 Now, if you were watching CNN the whole time, you got punked.

00:19:45.000 We were honest with you the whole time.

00:19:47.000 Let me say one thing about CNN, too, because John Berman, New Day, just happened to hear the show in the morning talking about the case, Tim, and what just sickened me, Was the tone in his voice signaling that he wanted this 17-year-old person convicted?

00:20:11.000 That was—he was reporting the, quote, news, which was wrong and contradictory to everything you just said.

00:20:18.000 But at the same time, you could feel in his—the way he was reporting it was like, oh, we've got to get this guy convicted.

00:20:28.000 A 17-year-old kid who was not guilty and found not guilty by his peers, he's being condemned to life imprisonment by the tone of that voice.

00:20:42.000 Those people who listen to CNN, They buy into that.

00:20:46.000 You see Colbert?

00:20:47.000 Colbert said, if that's not against the law, we should change the law.

00:20:51.000 What they're really saying is, for the past decade, they have escalated their violence and their riots, and they've gotten away with it.

00:20:58.000 And at this point, well, now people are starting to snap.

00:21:01.000 And I don't think it's a good thing.

00:21:03.000 People showing up and, you know, what happened in Kenosha, I don't think is good in any way.

00:21:09.000 But people are finally fed up.

00:21:11.000 We've seen videos of people getting into fistfights with Antifa, chasing them out.

00:21:15.000 Well, now what's happening is these leftist extremists are shocked and angry that, oh no, now we're dealing with resistance from people who don't want us burning down their local communities.

00:21:24.000 Now the courts have said, if you attack someone and threaten great bodily harm, there's no precedent.

00:21:30.000 There's always been self-defense.

00:21:31.000 Well, that offends the likes of Colbert.

00:21:33.000 No, Colbert, when they were burning down buildings, when they were firebombing, you know, government facilities, when small towns were getting looted and ransacked, where was Colbert?

00:21:42.000 Mum, mum, mum's the word.

00:21:44.000 Kamala Harris was fundraising for these people to bail them out.

00:21:47.000 So when this ruling comes in, they say the judge is biased, SNL does a skit about it, and they say, there's white supremacy, blah, blah, blah.

00:21:54.000 They're just angry that regular people have had enough of their extremism.

00:21:58.000 It's a battle of narratives.

00:22:00.000 That's what we've become in this society.

00:22:04.000 The traditional media has gone into their respective corners, and it's a battle of opinion-driven narratives, not fact-based narratives.

00:22:18.000 Listening to you, you actually had The Witnesses on, that blows my mind.

00:22:22.000 That's a beautiful thing.

00:22:23.000 It's a beautiful thing.

00:22:24.000 Yeah, we did.

00:22:25.000 You know what I realized today?

00:22:26.000 When I was reading, you know, people were commenting on Rogan's podcast, there's actually two different political compasses.

00:22:33.000 So when we say, like, you know, Luke is, like, right libertarian or whatever, how people want to describe it, and I'm, like, left-leaning libertarian, and I don't know where Ian is.

00:22:40.000 He's in outer space.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:22:41.000 I think I'm a left-leaning libertarian.

00:22:44.000 Well, probably, but you're probably more authoritarian than I am.

00:22:47.000 Let me test you guys, okay?

00:22:48.000 Oh, boy.

00:22:49.000 Because I always had trouble with the libertarians in the administration.

00:22:53.000 How do you guys feel about tariffs on China?

00:22:58.000 Give me a little bit more detail.

00:23:03.000 In the In Trump Time book, there's a great scene where I go mano-a-mano with Chris Wallace on his Sunday show.

00:23:11.000 It's like we're in each other's face and he goes, what's the problem with China?

00:23:15.000 It just pops out of my head because it's Sunday, right?

00:23:18.000 It's biblical.

00:23:19.000 I go, the seven deadly sins, right?

00:23:21.000 And so I go, OK, so here's the problem.

00:23:24.000 It's even get all seven.

00:23:25.000 It's always it's always a chore.

00:23:27.000 OK.

00:23:29.000 You start with the intellectual property theft to the tune of half a trillion dollars a year.

00:23:29.000 OK.

00:23:33.000 You get forced technology transfer, which is if you want to go and do business in China, you got to hand over your technology.

00:23:43.000 Totally unfair trade.

00:23:43.000 Right.

00:23:45.000 You've got the constant cyber hacking, both of personal individuals for their credit card, whatever, but also businesses, right?

00:23:54.000 Stealing their IP, another form.

00:23:57.000 You've got what's called dumping, which is sending product below cost into markets

00:24:04.000 as a way of pushing the domestic producers out and grabbing hold of those markets.

00:24:10.000 You have China's state-owned enterprises.

00:24:13.000 I'm up to five now, right?

00:24:15.000 See, these are the national champions they send out with the full power of the state to go out and do battle

00:24:22.000 and why it's China building our subway systems instead of American companies. 0.58

00:24:28.000 Currency manipulation, which is like China lowers the value of their currency,

00:24:34.000 which makes their exports here cheaper and our exports to them more expensive,

00:24:40.000 so our trade deficit goes up.

00:24:42.000 And then there's the seven, is the killing of Americans with deadly fentanyl.

00:24:50.000 And that's both a health crisis as well as an economic thing,

00:24:54.000 because a lot of the people who die from fentanyl are working age, manufacturing blue collar workers, okay?

00:25:03.000 So the libertarian, the traditional libertarian view is...

00:25:09.000 Is that, well, if China wants to sell us cheap goods, we should just benefit from them.

00:25:17.000 And what I'm going is, no, no, no, no, no.

00:25:18.000 It's like, that's a form of economic aggression.

00:25:22.000 If you take it as like a snapshot and you go into Walmart and stuff cheap, that's cool, okay.

00:25:28.000 But if you play it like as a movie, over time and all your jobs go offshore, And your wages are driven down, and people go to the unemployment line, and workers wind up committing suicide because they don't have jobs.

00:25:42.000 That's a serious thing.

00:25:43.000 So I get back, and like in the In Trump Time book, I identify this set of what I call the Wall Street transactionalists, like Mnuchin at Treasury, Kudlow at the National Economic Council, Mulvaney, big libertarian.

00:25:58.000 I try to do like buy American policies or China tariffs and these guys freak out, so I'll throw it back to you guys.

00:26:06.000 Libertarian, do you do tariffs on China to protect yourself?

00:26:10.000 Well, there's two different libertarians now.

00:26:13.000 You've got the Mises caucus and you've got the establishment, you know, old-school type libertarians and they disagree on a lot of things.

00:26:18.000 Yeah.

00:26:19.000 So I think the Mises guys are like pro-borders, right? 0.99

00:26:21.000 Yeah, very much so.

00:26:22.000 Yeah.

00:26:23.000 So they're probably going to say we have to protect American workers in America.

00:26:27.000 And then I think their view is more like within the area that we can protect, we have libertarian

00:26:32.000 values and views on how things are run.

00:26:35.000 But we recognize, you know, outside of the borders.

00:26:37.000 So I don't know if that's exactly their view, but I would say my view is similar to that.

00:26:42.000 Like, I don't want China ripping off American workers using economic coercion and warfare to try and destroy this country.

00:26:50.000 So, everything within the borders, I believe in, you know, we're very libertarian, individual liberties, individual rights, civil rights, etc.

00:26:56.000 And then when it comes to international trade and stuff, we must protect the people in our community.

00:27:02.000 Here's an interesting stat for you folks.

00:27:04.000 Our trade deficit with China is roughly equivalent to the People's Liberation Army defense budget.

00:27:14.000 And by the way, it's Tuesday, and Friday is not just Friday.

00:27:18.000 It is Black Friday, and that's when everybody's going to be going to the big box baby Wal-Mart, Target, whatever, and a lot of that stuff they're going to buy when they pick up that Made in China stuff is actually going to be plows, plows into swords, plowshares into swords, because that stuff is, that money, our trade deficit goes to fund all of their weapons.

00:27:42.000 And what drives me nuts is you asked at the beginning who I am.

00:27:47.000 It's like the way I met Donald Trump, and I talk about The In Trump Time book, because there was some confusion there.

00:27:52.000 I wrote a trilogy of China books, right?

00:27:56.000 2006, The Coming China Wars.

00:27:59.000 2011, The Death by China book and film.

00:28:02.000 And then those were economic-based.

00:28:04.000 And then 2015, Crouching Tiger.

00:28:07.000 which was the rise of the Chinese military.

00:28:09.000 So like in 2015, I write this book and say, yeah, China's developing these hypersonic missiles

00:28:15.000 that can kill us with nuclear weapons, right?

00:28:17.000 Okay, so that's like six years ago.

00:28:19.000 And so China, just a couple of weeks ago, they fly a hypersonic plane around in low orbit,

00:28:26.000 which is capable of bristling with weapons, and everybody's go,

00:28:31.000 Wow.

00:28:32.000 Wow, that's surprising.

00:28:33.000 Oh my gosh.

00:28:34.000 Okay.

00:28:34.000 No, it's not it's like in 2006 I predicted in the coming China Wars that China would create a global pandemic because of the way they handled the viruses and it was based on my research of how SARS-1 came about my point is Here is that China is an existential threat you got Joe Biden say it's no no It's just simply a competitor and part of what I've been trying to do and what President Trump was absolutely transformative about was to raise people's awareness as they used to say in the 60s about the threat of

00:29:14.000 Of communist China, the Chinese Communist Party coming after us, and they're coming after us, and there it is.

00:29:21.000 So what do the tariffs do?

00:29:24.000 How will that help?

00:29:25.000 So the way tariffs work, if you have a country like China that is dumping product in or stealing or whatever, The tariffs, first and foremost, offset the advantage that they've gotten from the unfair trade. 0.73

00:29:45.000 So that's your first best, right?

00:29:47.000 But what we were also trying to do with China was to get them to the bargaining table.

00:29:54.000 So in some sense, the tariffs were a penalty for things like intellectual property theft or currency manipulation.

00:30:01.000 So it was fascinating.

00:30:03.000 The first chapter of the book, I call it the red wedding chapter, in homage to Game of Thrones.

00:30:09.000 But we're sitting there in the East Wing and the president's about to sign this skinny trade deal

00:30:16.000 where we're supposed to deal with this economic aggression.

00:30:20.000 And it's like I'm fighting the Wall Street transactionalists because all they were concerned is

00:30:26.000 if China buys some more soybeans or whatever.

00:30:28.000 They weren't focused on the core problem.

00:30:32.000 But we had this strategy.

00:30:33.000 It was called dragging in a pot.

00:30:36.000 Like, think about this.

00:30:37.000 It's like we knew that there would be resistance to tariffs initially among a certain segment of the public.

00:30:44.000 But to get people to accept them, what we did—this was brilliant, President Trump— He got China to enter into negotiations.

00:30:51.000 Every time China did something in those negotiations which was unfair, we'd raise the tariffs.

00:30:58.000 And that allowed us, over time, to steadily increase the tariffs to over $100 billion in tariffs.

00:31:06.000 And in a second term, I'll say this for the record, and I've talked many times with the President about this, we would have completely raised tariffs on everything to 100% and began To do what I believe has to be done, which is decouple from communist China. 0.96

00:31:22.000 Because every time China makes another dollar off the United States or Europe or whatever, it's able to fuel both its military machine, but also the war China's conducting, like through the so-called Belt and Road Initiative.

00:31:39.000 I don't know if you guys have talked about that.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, so it's basically the colonization of Africa, Latin America, Kazakhstan, and everything like that. 0.91

00:31:48.000 I mean, they've got a strategy.

00:31:50.000 And the advantage they have over us as a democracy is that we change governments.

00:31:58.000 And officials every four years, right?

00:32:01.000 And these guys that I would see, I sat in Osaka at the G20 across from Xi Jinping and his myriad band of apparatchiks.

00:32:11.000 Same thing in Buenos Aires.

00:32:14.000 Many times I went to Beijing.

00:32:17.000 My point here is that these guys across the table had been there for years, and they will be there for years, and I'll be gone.

00:32:25.000 And instead, now, in Biden-land, they've got a bunch of appeasers and people who—here's the way they do this, Tim.

00:32:34.000 It's like there's money pots and honey pots, OK?

00:32:38.000 The honeypot is Eric Swalwell in California, right?

00:32:42.000 Sleeping his way up and down the coast with a Chinese spy.

00:32:45.000 I joked he had like STDs, like spy transmitted diseases, right?

00:32:49.000 That's the honeypot, right?

00:32:51.000 But the money pots are much more insidious because what China will do With government officials, it's like they'll give them trips to Beijing, or they'll put them in a think tank, they'll give them grants at universities, and these people become beholden to the Chinese, and then they wind up, like Jake Sullivan is the National Security Advisor, right?

00:33:13.000 I mean, this is crazy stuff.

00:33:15.000 Well, they'll just do business dealings with Biden's sons.

00:33:20.000 And I agree with your point when it comes to decoupling, especially from China's pharma industry, which the United States is heavily reliant on.

00:33:27.000 But I think previously what you were describing was globalization instead of libertarianism.

00:33:32.000 Because when we look at what China's doing, they're treating China like a conduit

00:33:32.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 for a multinational corporate takeover of the world.

00:33:39.000 And people are using China as a slave factory to produce the goods. 0.90

00:33:44.000 But this was all started under Henry Kissinger, who literally

00:33:47.000 took manufacturing jobs from the United States, deindustrialized, and then took all the jobs to China.

00:33:54.000 And now China now has taken a lot of workforce, a lot of economic opportunities from the American people.

00:33:59.000 And obviously if someone steals from you, that's not libertarianism.

00:34:02.000 There should be consequences and you should have a right to contract with who you want to contract with.

00:34:07.000 And we shouldn't be contracting with people who are stealing from us.

00:34:10.000 So that libertarian kind of idea still holds strong to me.

00:34:13.000 But because of the multinational corporations having so much power and influence buying out the U.S.

00:34:18.000 government, we don't have libertarianism.

00:34:20.000 We don't even have capitalism.

00:34:22.000 We have socialism for the super rich, which is orchestrated by elites like Kissinger.

00:34:27.000 I take a really good short but nice shot at Henry. 0.90

00:34:32.000 Yes, he's One of the dumb smart guys you meet along the way who's made millions and millions and millions of dollars from that. 0.85

00:34:42.000 The funny thing about these corporations though, the funny thing about these corporations, and General Electric is the poster child for this, all of these American corporations who thought they could go over to China offshore, all the jobs and things like that, wound up getting destroyed over there. 0.94

00:35:00.000 They got stripped of their technology and they wound up having competitors over there

00:35:06.000 who were Chinese and then if you look like GE, it's like it hit its peak.

00:35:11.000 It was at its apex.

00:35:14.000 Then the moment it started to go over to China, that was the end of that corporation.

00:35:19.000 Again, I'm old enough to remember when GE was the most important and powerful corporation in the world.

00:35:24.000 Today, it's like China just took that. 0.83

00:35:28.000 Let's talk about the ramifications of the Biden administration's policies in one of the most ridiculous ways we can. 0.77

00:35:35.000 Louis Fed on Twitter. 0.65

00:35:35.000 From the St. 0.65

00:35:36.000 They say, from the Fred blog, a Thanksgiving dinner serving of poultry costs $1.42.

00:35:41.000 A soybean-based dinner serving with the same amount of calories costs 66 cents and provides almost twice as much protein.

00:35:50.000 Now, they're not saying outright, don't buy turkey, but we get what they're saying.

00:35:56.000 Now, hold on.

00:35:57.000 It would not be an establishment if the media did not jump in and join in as well.

00:36:03.000 So, Google search Don't buy turkeys.

00:36:06.000 And what do you see?

00:36:07.000 Well, here's from Mahoning Matters.

00:36:09.000 There's no turkey shortage, but don't wait to buy.

00:36:11.000 From the Des Moines Register, why is there a turkey shortage?

00:36:14.000 Then from Consumer Reports, there is no turkey shortage, followed by PETA, who tells you not to eat turkey.

00:36:20.000 So the prices are going up.

00:36:22.000 We went to, we got a fresh turkey.

00:36:24.000 We went to a farm and we pre-ordered.

00:36:27.000 Like, they actually raised a turkey from June and got all big and then they, this past Sunday.

00:36:32.000 Uh, and they told us, you can't get them in most places.

00:36:35.000 If you want a turkey, good luck.

00:36:37.000 And now that's why the media is telling people, hey, hey, hey, don't get mad you're not having turkey for Thanksgiving.

00:36:42.000 You don't want turkey anyway, right?

00:36:44.000 Hey, this soy stuff is cheaper and better for you.

00:36:46.000 How about that?

00:36:48.000 Now that, and people say to me, that's not Joe Biden's fault this is happening.

00:36:53.000 And I've said over and over again, I've done long segments talking about why it is Joe Biden's fault, one of which is the inflation, gas prices, speculation, I can get into it.

00:37:01.000 But let me ask you, because you're the economics guy, what is it with the Biden administration that's resulting in inflation, high gas prices, food shortages, what is it?

00:37:13.000 Let me take you back to 2016 and the Trump campaign.

00:37:18.000 We had a mantra there, the way we were going to grow the economy, and it was simple.

00:37:24.000 It was tax cuts, not to benefit the corporations, but simply to encourage them to bring jobs onshore.

00:37:32.000 It was deregulation to lower the costs and make us more globally competitive.

00:37:38.000 It was energy Independence and cheap energy, which again makes us more competitive, puts more money in consumers' pockets to help them be able to buy more and increase their wages.

00:37:53.000 And most of all, it was fair trade.

00:37:55.000 It was stopping the attacks, not just by China on us, but India, Europe, and everywhere else, where we had the lowest tariffs in the world and everybody was taking advantage of us.

00:38:07.000 All of those, Tim, are what we call structural changes in the economy designed to increase growth and do it in a way where the productivity would increase and therefore real wages would rise and inflation would be held down.

00:38:25.000 That's the structural macroeconomic approach to prosperity.

00:38:29.000 Now, if you think about what went before that and what has come after that, that answers your question.

00:38:35.000 Before that, What the Biden-Obama administration did for eight years was double, double the national debt from 10 to 20 trillion dollars.

00:38:47.000 Think about that.

00:38:48.000 It went from 10 trillion dollars to 20 trillion dollars.

00:38:51.000 That was pure, what we call in economics, pure Keynesian stimulus.

00:38:56.000 Designed to stimulate the economy, but it didn't work because they didn't address the underlying structural changes.

00:39:02.000 All we got was this, I don't remember the phrase, the new normal.

00:39:05.000 This was like slow growth and stagnant wages, okay?

00:39:09.000 So we come to Trump, things boom, and then Biden takes over.

00:39:13.000 What has he done?

00:39:15.000 He's reversed all four points of the Trump economic growth compass, right?

00:39:21.000 He wants to raise taxes, right?

00:39:23.000 He's slamming on more regulations.

00:39:26.000 He's made just the worst mockery and ruin of our energy policy, and now we're begging the Saudis to pump oil.

00:39:36.000 I'll try a little comedy.

00:39:37.000 It's always hard, but here's a little comedy for you.

00:39:42.000 The football game tailgates now before the games.

00:39:45.000 They're eating caviar because it's cheaper than cooking hot dogs with propane, right?

00:39:50.000 There's wing shortages.

00:39:51.000 Yes, and there's wing shortages.

00:39:54.000 And then the other thing is, like, my job at the White House, as I talk about in the In Trump Time book, was supply chains, right?

00:40:01.000 If you have your manufacturing here and your supply chains will stay here, those are resilient.

00:40:08.000 If you send your factories offshore, here's the thing, supply chains follow them.

00:40:14.000 And therefore you have fragile supply chains at best, broken ones at worst.

00:40:14.000 Right.

00:40:19.000 And so what's happening with the Biden economy right now is there's not enough attention being paid to making it here.

00:40:30.000 I actually wrote the order for the Keystone pipeline when we first got in.

00:40:37.000 It was the coolest thing.

00:40:39.000 It happened early, but it was cool.

00:40:41.000 I literally did this in 20 minutes.

00:40:43.000 It was probably the fastest executive order ever written.

00:40:46.000 Right.

00:40:47.000 But Biden undid that quicker, right?

00:40:50.000 Stroke of the pen.

00:40:51.000 And so, go ahead.

00:40:52.000 The Keystone Pipeline, I think, is the easiest way to explain to people the rise in prices.

00:40:56.000 So, the first thing you'll get from, like, USA Today is they'll say, Biden's policies are not causing gas prices to increase, they're not causing inflation.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:04.000 And then when it comes to the Keystone Pipeline, they'll say, the pipeline wasn't set to deliver oil for some time anyway, so shutting it down had no impact on the amount of energy we had.

00:41:13.000 But what it did is that it signaled to many investors and many companies the supply chain for oil is not going to meet the requirements in the coming years, which means by now, because those prices are going up, speculators then start buying up in fear that we won't have enough in the future.

00:41:33.000 So the prices instantly start spiking.

00:41:35.000 Then when gas prices start spiking, the cost of Everything goes up right afterwards.

00:41:40.000 You've got to drive to work?

00:41:41.000 Well, I need more money for work, boss, because the gas is too expensive.

00:41:44.000 You want to get corn shipped to the plant to make whatever you've got to make in food?

00:41:48.000 The truck's got to spend more for gas, you've got to spend more on corn.

00:41:51.000 And guess what?

00:41:52.000 The frackers, we are like the Saudi Arabia of frackers, Pennsylvania, whatever.

00:41:57.000 North Dakota?

00:41:58.000 The frackers, when these prices go up now, are not going to up production.

00:42:06.000 To have that adjustment, because they don't believe they'll be allowed to frack under the Biden regime, to your point about signaling.

00:42:13.000 And that's a shrewd thing, Tim, because that's like one of the core principles in economics about signaling theory.

00:42:19.000 Somebody actually won the Nobel Prize.

00:42:21.000 Back in in in talking about and that's that's the problem we have and it's it's just absurd This is this is nuts. 0.70

00:42:30.000 I mean we're sitting on on literally with a Saudi Arabia of natural gas and natural gas prices on Are through the friggin roof.

00:42:42.000 That makes no sense.

00:42:43.000 And watching Joe Biden beg, not just to the Saudis, but to the Russians.

00:42:48.000 I mean, OPEC is basically, OK, here's a quiz.

00:42:51.000 Let's see if you guys get this right.

00:42:53.000 So it's probably.

00:42:55.000 So Biden's just released oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

00:43:02.000 How much, how many days or months of oil?

00:43:05.000 Lydia, go baby. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Because we use 18.9 billion barrels a gallon per day, right?

00:43:11.000 So it's going to last us like two and a half days.

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 Boom.

00:43:14.000 To your point.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 Signaling theory.

00:43:16.000 Yeah.

00:43:16.000 That's really going to drive things down.

00:43:18.000 And you know what Saudi did as soon as we did that? 0.94

00:43:21.000 They offset it.

00:43:22.000 Of course.

00:43:22.000 They cut back production.

00:43:24.000 Wow.

00:43:24.000 So they're strangling us out on purpose.

00:43:26.000 Oh, well, the Saudis, one of the things I regret during the Trump administration, and this isn't in the Trump time book, was how the Saudis screwed our frackers when they started flooding the market with oil. 0.95

00:43:43.000 See, the fracking thing, there's a threshold, right, which is much relatively higher than pumping from fields, right?

00:43:52.000 The traditional way.

00:43:54.000 So if you want to kill the frackers, all you do is have to keep the price of oil five bucks

00:44:00.000 below that threshold.

00:44:02.000 And the Saudis did that. They've done that like two or three times. 0.91

00:44:05.000 So real quick for people who don't know, there's something called energy returned on energy invested.

00:44:09.000 And fracking for a long time didn't make sense because the cost to actually frack wasn't worth what you'd

00:44:15.000 get out of it.

00:44:16.000 But when energy prices reached a certain threshold, all of a sudden the cost stays the same, but the energy is now more valuable, they start fracking.

00:44:24.000 All of a sudden we find ourselves, as you mentioned, the Saudi Arabia of fracking. 0.82

00:44:28.000 A lot of left-wing activists really don't like it.

00:44:31.000 They really don't like it.

00:44:33.000 But it ultimately helps us become energy independent.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, and a lot of these arguments are being made.

00:44:38.000 We need to stop domestic oil production to help the environment, when in reality, we're literally shipping it from Saudi Arabia.

00:44:45.000 Saudi Arabia is doing what's right for Saudi Arabia, as of course anyone would.

00:44:49.000 That's why they're cutting down production.

00:44:50.000 I thought according to Jen Psaki, Saudi Arabia had their own cone where all the carbon stays over there, right?

00:44:57.000 Yes, of course.

00:44:58.000 That's exactly how it works.

00:45:02.000 We gotta have a hit of soccer.

00:45:03.000 But we gotta understand what's happening.

00:45:05.000 Donald Trump, also, I criticized him during his presidency because he was very close with the Saudis, whether with the weapons deal, whether with geopolitics, they were hand in hand, and I believed he deserved a lot of criticism for that, personally, myself.

00:45:17.000 But CNN had a very interesting headline talking about this kind of energy crisis.

00:45:22.000 Recently, they had a headline that said, quote, why Biden can't do much to ease gas prices.

00:45:28.000 And a couple days ago they had another article that said oil prices are finally falling thanks to China and Joe Biden literally contradicting themselves just pushing for the narrative they had another piece today that was talking about the problems with the inflation narrative and they blamed everything on it's all OPEC's problem.

00:45:45.000 It's all OPEC's fault.

00:45:47.000 No, it's not.

00:45:48.000 No, it's freaking not.

00:45:49.000 Let's get into the specifics on the strategic oil thing.

00:45:51.000 We have this story from TimCast.com.

00:45:53.000 Biden administration to use strategic petroleum reserve to lower gas prices.

00:45:58.000 The White House will release 50 million barrels of crude oil.

00:46:02.000 This is...

00:46:04.000 It's I don't think that regular Americans who like lean Democrat understand signaling and how the actions of the administration, not not the hard actions, but like what people feel and see based on what's happening will have an impact.

00:46:21.000 So I'll give the example I just gave when Biden says we're shutting down Keystone.

00:46:25.000 Well, of course, Keystone wasn't transporting oil.

00:46:27.000 So oil supply is unchanged.

00:46:28.000 But people are predicting for the future.

00:46:31.000 If we have X growth, we're going to need X percent oil increase.

00:46:34.000 And investing for the future or not investing for the future.

00:46:38.000 So when Biden shuts down Keystone and bans fracking on certain lands, all of a sudden people say, whoa, we're not going to have enough supply in three years.

00:46:38.000 Exactly.

00:46:48.000 We better buy it now.

00:46:49.000 Everybody rushes.

00:46:50.000 Everybody buys.

00:46:51.000 Prices skyrocket.

00:46:52.000 Then what does Biden do?

00:46:54.000 Oh no!

00:46:54.000 Something I did is causing a spike in prices!

00:46:57.000 Let's dip into the U.S.

00:46:59.000 Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is for what?

00:47:01.000 Economic disasters and war and other crises?

00:47:04.000 And start pulling out 50 million barrels trying to get the prices down?

00:47:07.000 This is another signal.

00:47:09.000 It's going to be a- it's an entropic failure.

00:47:12.000 It's a downward spiral that's going to slowly spin more and more chaos.

00:47:16.000 This move from Biden is going to cause more people to be like, we are in bad shape.

00:47:21.000 Prices are probably going to go up because of the action of doing this.

00:47:26.000 You mentioned the 50 million barrels of crude oil is what, two and a half days?

00:47:30.000 Lydia got that right.

00:47:31.000 She got the quiz right.

00:47:32.000 So Biden thinks putting out two and a half days worth of petroleum is going to help ease prices?

00:47:39.000 Well, remember, Biden also... Bidenomics is kind of interesting.

00:47:44.000 It's like he's pushing this latest $3.5 trillion bill they want to pass.

00:47:52.000 And he's saying that that's going to take inflation down and pay for itself.

00:47:58.000 Now, in in what world would that possibly happen?

00:48:02.000 They have like a massive dose of Keynesian spending, which is look, we had a we had a $2 trillion bill that we were trying to get passed before the election at a time when the economy Needed some help but but here's the difference Our focus was on bringing our manufacturing home.

00:48:28.000 We were going to spend most of that money as a way of promoting buy American hire American and And I think you mentioned, Luke, the medicines and things like that.

00:48:38.000 There's a whole chapter in the In Trump Time book about this executive order I wrote on what's called essential medicines and medical countermeasures.

00:48:47.000 And it was a bi-American order to basically bring home all of that stuff we need. 0.85

00:48:53.000 The pandemic was a wake-up call.

00:48:55.000 Majority of our medicines and also things that you need for medical procedures are produced in China.

00:49:02.000 China and some of that stuff in India.

00:49:05.000 If you take medicines, there's the fixed dosage form, which is the end product, which you get.

00:49:13.000 But in between, there's the base chemicals and then there's the intermediate.

00:49:19.000 And the base stuff is like really pollution heavy, if you're not careful about it.

00:49:25.000 And since India and China are not, they dominate the market.

00:49:29.000 So we're kind of stuck.

00:49:30.000 So when the pandemic hit, like India started, it's like 80 countries, 80 countries began rationing The United States stole a plane, correct me if I'm wrong, from France that had PPP in it.

00:49:43.000 It's like, it's like, yeah, it's kumbaya.

00:49:46.000 It's all reasoned together.

00:49:48.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:49:49.000 Economic nationalism is what happens when the stuff hits the fan.

00:49:54.000 The United States stole a plane, correct me if I'm wrong, from France that had PPP in it.

00:49:59.000 Do you remember that?

00:50:00.000 That one I don't remember.

00:50:02.000 But I do have a cool one I can tell you from the book.

00:50:05.000 This was like, let's call it the Italian swab job.

00:50:08.000 Remember the Italian job with Mark Wahlberg?

00:50:12.000 Okay, so I'm sitting in my office.

00:50:16.000 It's like a Friday, late on a Friday afternoon, just working my butt off because the pandemic was like going crazy.

00:50:24.000 I get a call from Health and Human Services and it's like, we got a million swabs stuck in the Italian Alps because they're getting, Northern Italy's just getting hit with a pandemic.

00:50:37.000 It's like, can you help, right?

00:50:39.000 So it's like, this was the cool part of the job.

00:50:41.000 This was really cool.

00:50:43.000 It's like, all right.

00:50:44.000 So I call a sit room, a situation room.

00:50:46.000 It's like, the cool thing about the situation room Is like, literally, you could track down anybody on the planet within five minutes, like, if you need to, right?

00:50:54.000 It's like, hey, I need Tim Pool. 0.99

00:50:57.000 Get his ass on the phone. 0.99

00:50:58.000 Yes sir, yes sir, right? 1.00

00:51:00.000 They'll find you.

00:51:01.000 You might be playing your guitar or something, don't want to talk to me, but they'll find you, right?

00:51:04.000 I never answer my phone.

00:51:06.000 Anyway.

00:51:07.000 Anyway, so I get the Pentagon to agree to send a plane from the factory, right?

00:51:17.000 And so while it's in the air, I realize that, well, we got to get the swabs to like six cities. 0.62

00:51:24.000 So I call up the CEO of FedEx, tracked him down through the sit room, Fred Smith.

00:51:31.000 And say hey Fred look we got to get these swabs out. Can you can you get us some of your planes? 1.00

00:51:36.000 He said yeah, why don't you divert the plane to Memphis? We'll have six planes waiting for you there

00:51:41.000 So so it's like from from the time I got the call to the time we actually landed the swabs in

00:51:48.000 the six different cities like 72 hours It was, yeah. Wow.

00:51:52.000 It was pretty cool.

00:51:53.000 But that's the kind of stuff we were doing in the middle of the pandemic.

00:51:58.000 One of the other stories in the In Trump Time book is worth sharing.

00:52:02.000 It's like the homicide detectives in New York City were being forced to go in and process people

00:52:11.000 who were just awful, people who died of COVID, right?

00:52:15.000 The homicide, because there wasn't enough frontline responders to do that, right?

00:52:21.000 And so they're freaking out because they don't have enough equipment.

00:52:25.000 So the chief of police emails the White House.

00:52:30.000 And I did Monahan.

00:52:32.000 I pull it up, and he goes, help, SOS here.

00:52:35.000 So I called these two really cool folks at General Dynamics and another company, and Phoebe Novakovic in particular,

00:52:49.000 and say, hey.

00:52:50.000 Can you get me some Tyvek suits?

00:52:52.000 See, these are the kind of space age type suits, right?

00:52:57.000 And within 15 hours of getting that email, we had 4,000 Tyvek suits coming from all around the country.

00:53:06.000 I want to ask you about what Joe Biden was doing.

00:53:09.000 I was so proud of this country when you saw good corporations who would rise to the occasion.

00:53:15.000 And then I had to deal with bad ones as well, like Pfizer or Honeywell, who just were in it

00:53:20.000 for the money. Tim, I want to ask you about what Joe Biden was doing. A few key points that I've

00:53:26.000 brought up and, you know, with your expertise, having worked in this, worked in the White House

00:53:29.000 and all this stuff. So I see Joe Biden, more regulations, right?

00:53:33.000 We see him say he wants the Democrats in general, they want to raise wages.

00:53:38.000 They want like, you know, higher minimum wage and all that stuff.

00:53:39.000 And I'm, I'm all for people getting paid.

00:53:41.000 I just don't believe that you can just tell people to do it.

00:53:44.000 It happens because there's a big machine of economics, but they want to raise corporate taxes. 0.62

00:53:48.000 They want to eliminate tariffs and raise wages.

00:53:52.000 These three things, correct me if I'm wrong, you end up with a corporation in the United States who says, okay, we're just told by the Biden administration and the Democrats, they want our corporate taxes to go up 5%.

00:54:04.000 So now we're going to lose X dollars per year here in the United States.

00:54:07.000 They also are saying we have to pay more.

00:54:10.000 So now we're going to lose X percent more in rising wages, but they're getting rid of the tariffs.

00:54:16.000 Hell, let's move the factory to China. 0.99

00:54:19.000 Then we'll pay people dirt.

00:54:21.000 You gotta pay people dirt.

00:54:22.000 We're not gonna- You get it, yeah.

00:54:23.000 Exactly.

00:54:24.000 And so what Biden has done is he's incentivized these companies to leave and take American jobs.

00:54:30.000 And now the funny thing is people say, what has Joe Biden done?

00:54:33.000 It's not his fault, it's a pandemic.

00:54:35.000 And I'm like, if you just watch what he's doing, and then we look at this thing with the oil, it's like when the ports got backed up, He announces we're going to keep these ports up and running 24 seven or whatever you extend the hours and allow people which didn't address the actual problem that they couldn't do anything with empty, empty shipping containers.

00:54:56.000 But of course, Biden comes out just I'm going to do a thing.

00:54:59.000 And then these people are satisfied by it.

00:55:00.000 They're like, Oh, well, you know, Biden's doing stuff.

00:55:03.000 And then nothing changes.

00:55:04.000 Things continue to get worse.

00:55:05.000 At a certain point, Biden's approval rating is in the gutter.

00:55:08.000 I mean, by all, almost every poll's got him in the 30s at this point.

00:55:12.000 Independent voters, approval rate for independent voters, 24% on civics.

00:55:17.000 He's in the gutter because people are finally waking up and being like, yo, I think these Biden admin people are burning this country to the ground.

00:55:25.000 You know, but he's happy every morning because he looks at the poll numbers and Kamala's below him.

00:55:30.000 That's right.

00:55:31.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:55:33.000 Hey, hey, that's an adult reference there.

00:55:37.000 Kamala doesn't do that all the time. 1.00

00:55:38.000 No, no, no.

00:55:39.000 She doesn't do it all the time. 1.00

00:55:40.000 No, no, no.

00:55:41.000 Her polling is below, is worse than mine.

00:55:44.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:55:46.000 To be clear, yes.

00:55:46.000 I take it somewhere else.

00:55:47.000 Don't want to get the censors out there.

00:55:49.000 Luke is the one who made that dirty.

00:55:51.000 That was...

00:55:52.000 Luke!

00:55:53.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey, you can't fault me here.

00:55:57.000 But Tim, your point is so well taken.

00:56:00.000 Again, it's like confusing structural problems with this Keynesian kind of approach to things.

00:56:08.000 Here's the only way real wages go up.

00:56:12.000 It's if people's productivity If people's productivity increases, their real wages will go up.

00:56:21.000 If you simply increase the minimum wage at a time where inflation is going faster than any rise you can do, I mean, workers aren't going to be better off.

00:56:33.000 But if you also raise the corporate tax and you have less investment, as Tim, you point out, the jobs are going off to China and staying here, the productivity goes down as well.

00:56:45.000 The thing is, he just doesn't understand basic economics.

00:56:50.000 You've said more sensible economic principles in the last half hour than any of the Biden officials have said since they got there.

00:57:01.000 I think they definitely do because if you look at what's been happening, who's been benefiting from this US billionaires have gotten a 62% raise during the pandemic.

00:57:10.000 There's a large transfer of wealth happening right now from the very poor to the super rich and who's Who's benefiting?

00:57:16.000 Who's calling the shots?

00:57:17.000 Well, obviously, the billionaires are getting their way.

00:57:20.000 Mom-and-pop shops were destroyed during the pandemic while, of course, Walmart, Costco, Amazon, all those other big box stores were allowed to be open as we were told two weeks to slow the spread, which was ridiculous.

00:57:31.000 We all sacrificed, but the other corporations got to do whatever they wanted to do.

00:57:35.000 You want to know what's really amazing?

00:57:37.000 I was reading this op-ed on the economy back in 2019 because the economy was booming.

00:57:42.000 It was huge.

00:57:43.000 I mean, from my personal experience, I tell the story of when we were setting up our first studio, the lady at the furniture store said, 2019 was the best year of my life.

00:57:50.000 Good year.

00:57:51.000 People were making money.

00:57:52.000 Our contractor who was doing work in the end was like, the best year I've had.

00:57:55.000 So I'm reading this op-ed, and they said that all of these things, the leftists claim they wanted, four-day work weeks, higher wages, paid vacation, family leave, are happening thanks to capitalism and a good economy.

00:58:09.000 The government need not force it.

00:58:11.000 The machine is working.

00:58:12.000 The policies are working.

00:58:13.000 And then what happens?

00:58:15.000 These leftists say, we demand these things.

00:58:19.000 So when these things start happening, naturally, they vote for Joe Biden, who reverses all of the things that Trump did, and then end all of that really great stuff and make a terrible economy occur.

00:58:31.000 So the thing is, If you have good economic policy, the economy starts working, starts coming back, the machine starts churning, you gotta lubricate the gears, get them going.

00:58:41.000 And when you have bad policy, you put gum in the works, things slow down and fall apart.

00:58:45.000 These leftists seem to think, people should be paid more money.

00:58:49.000 I know, we'll force people to pay them more money, as if that manifests money or economic value or labor value.

00:58:55.000 It doesn't.

00:58:56.000 So when they came in with the hammer to try and bash the system, which was already doing what they wanted, they broke it.

00:59:02.000 Let me introduce a concept here which I think will be useful to your viewers.

00:59:07.000 I call them service sector refugees. 0.94

00:59:09.000 It's kind of at the heart of the pandemic shock that we're facing that's going to create stagflation, which is simultaneous inflation and slow growth or recession.

00:59:21.000 And if you think about what the pandemic has done, it's been like a neutron bomb to our major metropolitan areas.

00:59:28.000 If you think about it, it hits like the core foundation of major cities.

00:59:33.000 It's like the mass transit, it's the entertainment districts, but most of all it's the high-rise office buildings.

00:59:40.000 Right?

00:59:40.000 And so we've gone from a world where in New York or Dallas or Chicago, the high-rise buildings were at 90% occupancy rate or higher.

00:59:52.000 Now they're down like to Kamala's approval rating, like 29, 30%, stuff like that.

00:59:58.000 Now think about this.

01:00:00.000 It's like the white-collar folks, to your point as to who's like winning in the pandemic economy, the white-collar folks are sitting out in the burbs, right?

01:00:10.000 Commuting on their little iPads or whatever they've got.

01:00:15.000 They're living okay, right?

01:00:18.000 Although they might have to have tofu for turkey, but that's another story.

01:00:23.000 But those people who used to be part of the ecostructure of the cities, The janitors in the buildings, the trucks outside, the food trucks, beauticians, this, that, and the other thing, they don't have anywhere to go.

01:00:38.000 And moreover, they don't have the skills to transit.

01:00:42.000 So we've got this weird thing, Tim, where you got like 10 million or so people unemployed

01:00:49.000 and 10 million or so job openings.

01:00:52.000 That is weird.

01:00:54.000 And so I get back to the central tenets of the Trump administration,

01:00:57.000 which is buy American, hire American.

01:01:00.000 If we don't...

01:01:01.000 If we don't build more of what we consume here, and help train those people, those service sector refugees are simply going to fade away into oblivion. 1.00

01:01:15.000 And by the way, the millennials, as Bannon loves to point out on The War Room, are turning into modern-day serfs.

01:01:24.000 Like, you're not going to own a car.

01:01:26.000 You're not going to own a home.

01:01:27.000 But, you know, you can put that virtual reality thing on your head and life looks pretty good there for a while while you stone out on some Maui Wowies.

01:01:36.000 I would love to ask you this because in the beginning of Trump's presidency he was kind of battling with the Federal Reserve.

01:01:42.000 He was clashing heads with the Federal Reserve.

01:01:44.000 Obviously the Federal Reserve has been printing money out of thin air. 0.95

01:01:47.000 That's why this kind of promotion of GMO Monsanto soybeans is absolutely ridiculous.

01:01:52.000 They shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice.

01:01:54.000 They should stop Printing money out of thin air.

01:01:57.000 But what was going on with the Trump administration with, of course, them just literally printing money during the pandemic and giving it to all the hedge funds, giving it to all the Wall Street bankers, giving them a huge bailout?

01:02:08.000 Well, another shameless plug for you in Trump time, but there is a great story about Jerome Powell in there, and it goes something like this.

01:02:15.000 So, it comes time to appoint a new Fed chairman.

01:02:21.000 It was either going to be Janet Yellen, give her another term, or somebody else, right?

01:02:25.000 And so, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, who I state flat out in the In Trump Time book, if he had never come to the administration, Donald Trump would still be president.

01:02:36.000 This guy did so much damage, but one of the things he did was he was the guy who recommended Jay Powell get appointed.

01:02:47.000 And he did it under the assumption, because Steve's a control freak, he thought he can control Jay Powell.

01:02:55.000 Jerome Powell did something that is kind of contrary to what you just said, but I'll come back to you being right.

01:03:01.000 What we were doing with our four points of that economic compass I described earlier, is we were able to grow much more faster than the Biden-Obama regime, and do so without inflation, okay?

01:03:16.000 The only reason why the Fed should raise interest rates or tighten the money supply is if there's any hint of inflation.

01:03:21.000 What Jerome Powell did, that SOB, He ran contractionary monetary policy in the middle of the beautiful Trump boom under the false assumption that somehow there was going to be inflation.

01:03:36.000 So in our time, on our watch, as I talk about in the book, he was too contractionary.

01:03:43.000 We could have hit 4% growth instead of 3% growth and that's a million job difference, okay?

01:03:50.000 So fast forward now, right?

01:03:54.000 He is Biden's guy now.

01:03:57.000 He's auditioning for the job.

01:04:00.000 What does Biden want?

01:04:01.000 Biden wants easy money to stimulate the economy.

01:04:06.000 But what Powell is doing is contrary, again, to the facts and evidence.

01:04:11.000 Tim, as he starts doing all the stuff you're talking about, in terms of Biden undoing what Trump did, that's Provoking all manner of inflation.

01:04:21.000 You add to that the pandemic shocks.

01:04:23.000 And basically, let me go back to the 70s.

01:04:26.000 The 70s stagflation came about because of profligate fiscal policy.

01:04:31.000 Check that box here with all the Congress is doing.

01:04:34.000 What Arthur Burns did for Nixon in monetary policy as the chairman of the Fed was to print money and be too expansionary.

01:04:43.000 That's exactly what Jay Powell's doing now.

01:04:45.000 Check that box.

01:04:46.000 And then what kicked off the stagflation was the cost-push food and energy price shocks.

01:04:53.000 Of the 70s, and we got the same thing here.

01:04:55.000 And by the way, you mentioned this earlier, Tim, and you were absolutely right.

01:04:58.000 If energy prices go up, guess what?

01:05:01.000 Food prices go up because things like fertilizer, which are energy-driven, go up.

01:05:06.000 And by the way, delivering the food and other things go up.

01:05:10.000 So, Jay Powell, he's a pox on this world, and the fact that we're going to see him For another term.

01:05:17.000 I mean, Trump couldn't wait to get rid of that guy.

01:05:21.000 We sat around scheming all the time about how if we could take him out before his term was up. 0.94

01:05:27.000 And whenever I wanted to troll that friggin' Mnuchin in the Oval, I'd look at the boss and say, boss, who was that who wanted Jay Powell at the Fed?

01:05:37.000 So, the other thing too, it's not just inflation, it's shrinkflation, where products get smaller, but now we actually, we have this story, I mean, from TimCast.com, and I gotta tell you, you know, this is typically not something I think would be a big story, but look at this, General Mills to raise prices by 20%! 0.50

01:05:53.000 20%!

01:05:54.000 That is massive!

01:05:59.000 Massive!

01:06:00.000 So you want to talk about your kids having cereal in the morning?

01:06:03.000 You know what really, really grinds my gears?

01:06:06.000 When I've been saying over and over again, for the past several years, like, you need to stand up for what you believe in now.

01:06:11.000 You need to get out there.

01:06:12.000 You need to advocate for what you want to see in this world.

01:06:15.000 Peaceful, persuasive, resourceful.

01:06:16.000 And I get people saying, like, if I speak up at my job, then I'll lose my job.

01:06:20.000 And you don't understand.

01:06:20.000 I got kids to feed.

01:06:22.000 Tell me now, as the food shortages, with the price increases, with the shrinkflation, and they're gonna raise the price.

01:06:29.000 Your rice checks, your Cheerios, the kid wakes up for a bowl of cereal, and now you're wondering why it's 20% more.

01:06:35.000 But not only that, the boxes are smaller, and you're buying twice as often.

01:06:38.000 And the food banks are reporting that they're even having a hard time feeding people because of the inflation, because of the supply chain shortages.

01:06:45.000 So Peter, I was gonna ask you, I'm always looking for the silver lining here.

01:06:49.000 It's like, parents will need to buy fewer diapers because they won't be able to feed the kid as much.

01:06:57.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:06:58.000 There's one more point there.

01:06:59.000 You don't got to worry about buying new clothes for your kids when they get bigger.

01:07:04.000 They're not going to grow as they don't eat.

01:07:06.000 Thank you very much.

01:07:07.000 We do have an obesity crisis.

01:07:09.000 But Peter, how bad does this get?

01:07:12.000 Oh, this is what I'm concerned about.

01:07:15.000 And again, I get back to Lydia's question and point.

01:07:17.000 It's like, got a lot of miles on this bod.

01:07:20.000 I have never seen it as bad.

01:07:22.000 This is like the 70s on steroids.

01:07:26.000 And so the way the 70s evolved, that literally, as we came in, It started with Lyndon Johnson in 1968 with the refusal of choosing between the Vietnam War expenditures and the Great Society.

01:07:40.000 There's this concept in economics called guns versus butter.

01:07:44.000 It's like you have to choose one or the other in some combination in order to maintain the budget.

01:07:48.000 It's like LBJ was, nah, we're not going to do it, we're going to do both.

01:07:51.000 Right.

01:07:52.000 So that's what that was the fiscal stimulus that began the whole whole process.

01:07:58.000 And then so it's this whole stagnation didn't end till 1981.

01:08:03.000 And the way it ended was was brutal.

01:08:08.000 And in 1980, when Reagan ran against Carter, there was this thing called the Misery Index.

01:08:14.000 It was inflation rate plus unemployment.

01:08:17.000 And it was 20 percent By the time that election rolled around, mortgage rates were like 13 and 15 percent.

01:08:25.000 I mean, this is like stuff that's not in your, the people who are viewing and listening to the show can't even imagine this because they've been, they grew, they've grown up in an era of like 2, 3, 4 percent mortgage rates.

01:08:37.000 No, no, no, no.

01:08:38.000 This like, they were like 12 and 15 percent.

01:08:41.000 My parents tell me this.

01:08:42.000 Yes.

01:08:43.000 They're like, when you were a little kid, it was like 12 percent.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, it's crazy stuff.

01:08:46.000 So the way, the way it was fixed, And this is instructive.

01:08:51.000 It was in two ways.

01:08:52.000 Paul Volcker came along as Federal Reserve Chairman.

01:08:57.000 Never confuse Paul Volcker with Jerome Powell.

01:09:00.000 And he induced the mother of all recessions to wring inflationary expectations out of the economy.

01:09:07.000 And the only reason why that worked is because Reagan came along and did all the structural kind of changes that we've been talking about, guys.

01:09:15.000 And that basically reset the economy and then we went off on our 80s boom.

01:09:21.000 But that'll be a hard trick to redo because it requires both A smart Fed chairman and somebody as president who understands kind of the structural changes.

01:09:36.000 This could go on for a decade.

01:09:38.000 I mean, we're at 28 trillion, I think, is the deficit right now.

01:09:40.000 He's looking at printing three trillion more to put it to 31.

01:09:43.000 How do you with the amount of having to pay interest on that?

01:09:47.000 I don't see it ever being able to come back from this at this point, whereas like other than like, I don't know, economic default or something like will default on the U.S.

01:09:56.000 dollar and create a new currency or something.

01:09:58.000 This is like Pelosi's Hail Mary and Big Go Brandon to the world here, because if she gets away with this latest bill, this last piece of the multi-trillion dollar pipe dream, progressive, socialist, Marxist, cut a puzzle, Because there's nothing in that bill that will strengthen the economy, to be clear.

01:10:20.000 It's mostly a redistribution and it's a subsidy to China because they're all the ones that are going to be riding the electric vehicle stuff.

01:10:28.000 Okay, let's be clear.

01:10:29.000 If they are able to get this one across the finish line, you're absolutely right that this will be with us.

01:10:37.000 Right now, I'm a Trump guy, right?

01:10:38.000 and our grandchildren forever.

01:10:40.000 So there's a lot, lot at stake here.

01:10:42.000 And it's like, I think right now, we're virtually assured of the Republicans

01:10:48.000 taking back the House, but it may be too late.

01:10:51.000 But the other thing I'll say about that is like, right now, I'm a Trump guy, right?

01:10:55.000 I'm a MAGA guy, I'm a deplorables guy, right?

01:10:57.000 But there's a battle in the Republican Party itself between the rhino, corporatist,

01:11:06.000 party of Davos Republicans represented by Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Liz Cheney, Ben Sasse, Pat,

01:11:15.000 those folks, Mitt Romney, versus the Trumpers who really want things like secure borders,

01:11:22.000 fair trade, buy American.

01:11:24.000 manufacturing here and if we lose that battle, if we win the House in 22 and McConnell and

01:11:33.000 McCarthy are still leaders, we've lost the House.

01:11:35.000 Well, so let me ask you, you know, you say you're a MAGA guy, deplorable guy and all that stuff and

01:11:39.000 a lot of people are saying it's going to be a red tsunami because at this point I think a lot of

01:11:44.000 regular Americans are ready to vote for a ham sandwich over the Democrats.

01:11:47.000 But like you said, if we don't primary a lot of these establishment, you know, neocon types, then it's all going to be for nothing.

01:11:55.000 But there is the big question.

01:11:56.000 You mentioned Carter and Reagan, the misery index.

01:12:00.000 Reagan came in and didn't he, against Carter, wasn't like a major blowout election?

01:12:03.000 Like he's just swept ridiculously well, I believe, right?

01:12:07.000 I think that was that election.

01:12:08.000 Wasn't that 84?

01:12:10.000 No, it was 80.

01:12:11.000 80, yeah.

01:12:11.000 It was 80?

01:12:11.000 So Carter was in at 76.

01:12:12.000 It was kind of interesting.

01:12:13.000 OK, it was 8080.

01:12:14.000 Yeah, well, so so so Carter Carter was in at 76.

01:12:17.000 It was kind of interesting.

01:12:19.000 I want to I want to ask you, yeah, based on what you saw then

01:12:22.000 and what's happening now, first, is Trump running?

01:12:27.000 We've all heard that he is, but, you know, I'm interested in what you think.

01:12:30.000 And do you think Trump would landslide?

01:12:32.000 I mean it figuratively, Internet.

01:12:34.000 Like, will he have a... They take it so literally, like, Trump landslide.

01:12:39.000 It's a figurative statement about Trump winning very, very well.

01:12:41.000 Do you think Trump, if he does, do you think he's going to run?

01:12:44.000 And if he does, do you think he'll just smash through the election?

01:12:48.000 Look, I think that in 22 we have the prospect of picking up the largest amount of seats, the largest swing ever.

01:13:00.000 That it'll make the Gingrich revolution look quaint.

01:13:07.000 By comparison.

01:13:08.000 But the one thing I know in politics is that short time frames.

01:13:15.000 2024 is a long, long time away.

01:13:19.000 Everybody around here is disabled. 1.00

01:13:20.000 Are you assuming that it's going to be Biden or Kamala?

01:13:23.000 I mean, what about Gavin Newsom?

01:13:25.000 They might even dust off Cuomo.

01:13:29.000 That's what I've been saying.

01:13:31.000 I think my money's on Buttigieg.

01:13:32.000 right might run or you know the one I think that okay let me make a bold prediction here

01:13:39.000 I'll be back here in 2024 Michelle Obama.

01:13:43.000 Yeah that's what I've been saying.

01:13:45.000 I think my money's on Buttigieg.

01:13:47.000 I thought they'd do Michelle Obama in 2020 because I can't believe they tried Biden.

01:13:51.000 Yeah, well, they got it.

01:13:53.000 No, but let's all remember how Biden got there because this was, I take it, you're more of a Bernie bro.

01:14:00.000 Not really, no.

01:14:02.000 How dare you?

01:14:02.000 Peter, you just insulted me more than you could ever imagine.

01:14:08.000 You hurt my feelings.

01:14:09.000 You look like a Bernie bro.

01:14:11.000 You should have wore the Gadsden I will never recover from this.

01:14:13.000 These are crystals.

01:14:14.000 Were you a Trump guy in 2016?

01:14:17.000 Hang on, now, come on.

01:14:19.000 In 2016... I don't like any of them.

01:14:21.000 I don't like politicians.

01:14:23.000 I mean, obviously... Ron Paul.

01:14:25.000 Were you involved politically in 2016?

01:14:28.000 I don't like politics.

01:14:29.000 Come on, were you involved?

01:14:31.000 He'd vote for Ron Paul.

01:14:32.000 That's who he'd vote for.

01:14:34.000 If anyone.

01:14:34.000 Fair enough.

01:14:35.000 So if you get a Trump and a Hillary, Luke's gonna still vote for Ron Paul.

01:14:39.000 Ron Paul.

01:14:40.000 My point is simply that Biden was an accident of history engineered by Wall Street and the big corporations via Claiborne in South Carolina.

01:14:52.000 Let us remember that Sanders was the frontrunner going into South Carolina. 0.99

01:14:58.000 And he said something stupid and they were able to jujitsu Biden and he became the guy. 0.97

01:15:10.000 I mean, I've always thought that they want him in there just for a year and then they put Kamala in, thinking that Kamala would perform better than she has. 0.99

01:15:20.000 But at this point, this is why the Michelle Obama thing, it's like, you gotta run somebody like that.

01:15:26.000 Or Oprah, or somebody.

01:15:28.000 And I think if Michelle Obama runs against Trump, it will be a Michelle Obama landslide.

01:15:33.000 Figurative landslide.

01:15:34.000 Oh, speaking of, Reagan beat Carter 50% to 41%.

01:15:37.000 No, but what was the electoral vote?

01:15:41.000 489 to 49.

01:15:42.000 Wow.

01:15:43.000 489 to 49.

01:15:45.000 Right.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 A major, major swing.

01:15:48.000 Yeah.

01:15:49.000 I was shorting cardigan sweaters going into the election.

01:15:54.000 You brought up a good point with Michelle Obama, because I've been talking about this for a long time.

01:15:57.000 This was essentially to ensure that Barack Obama could have control of the White House for more than just the eight years that he was there in office.

01:16:07.000 four years with of course Biden because Biden of course talks to Obama.

01:16:10.000 Biden is helping him with this presidency.

01:16:14.000 He would of course have eight years probably with Michelle Obama.

01:16:17.000 So we're talking about an indefinite policymaking by Barack Obama which I think would be absolutely

01:16:23.000 devastating for the country.

01:16:24.000 The thing that we've got to solve in this country is the control of the media, right?

01:16:31.000 Because that's how they maintain power.

01:16:34.000 And this is again why I get back to loving what you do Tim and this diaspora of libertarian

01:16:42.000 conservative like truth to power kinds of folks out there who are dealing in facts,

01:16:48.000 evidence, data, receipts, signal not noise.

01:16:54.000 It's just got to keep growing.

01:16:55.000 And I think that you're seeing like for example with Fox News, right?

01:16:59.000 It's it's a cable Everybody's plugged into cable and the demographic is way old, right? 1.00

01:17:05.000 And as that demographic fades away, literally, this will be your time because people are no longer doing cable anymore.

01:17:15.000 They have all these different ways of going it.

01:17:18.000 But that'll be—I mean, if Michelle Obama runs in 2024, whether she wins is going to be a lot determined by how powerful CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and all those folks are.

01:17:35.000 Google.

01:17:36.000 Google and Facebook.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, let's not forget that.

01:17:38.000 Twitter.

01:17:40.000 In the In Trump Time book, I go deeply into the power of the social media oligarchs in Silicon Valley and how it's just such a corrosive element.

01:17:55.000 I remember there was a tactical area.

01:17:58.000 This isn't in the In Trump Time book, but it's worth talking about.

01:18:01.000 It's like Zuckerberg came to the White House on a couple of occasions, and it was Kushner Who backed policy up from cracking down on the big tech oligarchs.

01:18:16.000 Yeah, there was like a wing of us in the White House who wanted to do that.

01:18:26.000 As so often it was on things like China or social media, Jared, in his naivete, thought he could romance Zuckerberg.

01:18:36.000 And meanwhile, Zuckerberg, I don't know if you know this stat, but he spent over half a billion dollars in the six battleground states alone, which was more than what the Trump campaign spent.

01:18:49.000 So these guys, you know, it's like when you, it's kind of like on Black Friday when you buy Made in China, you're basically supporting their military.

01:19:00.000 When you go on Facebook or whatever and participate in all that, you do enhance the power of Zuckerberg, of Dorsey at Twitter, Pichai at Google.

01:19:13.000 And that would be fine if Section 230 were not in place and they couldn't use their mechanisms.

01:19:23.000 Now, Kushner made a lot of very bad policies, especially when it came to Saudi Arabia negotiating for them to get a better weapons deal.

01:19:30.000 But I kind of wanted to ask you, since you were there on the ground, do you think anyone in the White House legitimately believed in the two weeks to slow the spread since I think we're on day 659 of Okay, let's unpack that a little bit.

01:19:51.000 Let's talk about the lockdown.

01:19:52.000 Let's remember where we were.

01:19:57.000 End of January, there were three people in the White House who were taking the pandemic seriously.

01:20:04.000 Talk about this in the In Trump Time book.

01:20:06.000 It was me, the president, and Robert O'Brien, the national security advisor, along with his deputy, Matt Potcher, OK?

01:20:14.000 And if you look at kind of the history of this, it wouldn't be until March.

01:20:19.000 It wouldn't be until March that people began to take it seriously, both Pelosi, de Blasio, Cuomo, those folks.

01:20:26.000 It's like, hey, everything's fine.

01:20:27.000 Fauci, everything's fine.

01:20:29.000 And within the White House itself, I was fighting Mnuchin, I was fighting Mark Short, Mulvaney, the chief of staff, right?

01:20:40.000 When it hit, it's like, I remember Kudlow, it's like, this is basic math, right?

01:20:45.000 It's like Larry goes into a stab meme.

01:20:47.000 This, again, is in the interim of my book.

01:20:49.000 He goes, we got this under control.

01:20:51.000 Everything's minimal.

01:20:52.000 And there's only a few cases.

01:20:54.000 And I'm going, okay, so this is kind of like basic math.

01:20:59.000 Four cases today and and it's gonna double then you got eight cases next day It's like and then say how long is it before you got a pandemic in the country, right?

01:21:09.000 This is what they didn't understand So when this thing hit we we we had our cupboards were bare right for PPE, right?

01:21:17.000 We've been left with with no gloves, whatever just not there and And we didn't know what we had, and this was so important.

01:21:25.000 It's like we didn't know whether this looks like smallpox with what they call the R-naught of like seven, which means for every person who gets infected, seven more get infected, or whether it was more like the flu where it's like an R-naught of one, right?

01:21:41.000 So the lockdown was a knee-jerk response to, in the fog of war, to something we weren't sure were there.

01:21:50.000 So you can't really, honestly, Monday morning quarterback that was that was that a lot of

01:21:56.000 your but that's not hold on hold on but this is a federal you're talking about

01:22:00.000 you're asking about a federal question but the lockdowns were state level

01:22:03.000 well no trump even actually came out later and said you know they shouldn't

01:22:06.000 do this but i can't control them pence with the stop the spread was a

01:22:10.000 15 day kind of thing where they asked everybody but here's the thing i was i was one of the first and there's

01:22:16.000 a new york times article about this who yeah i quickly realized

01:22:21.000 Okay, so here's what's going to happen.

01:22:24.000 You got two scenarios here.

01:22:26.000 One is like you lock everybody down and you get, okay, so you slow the rate of infection, okay?

01:22:34.000 But when you're doing that, some other things happen, right?

01:22:38.000 You have a tremendous hit on the economy and that we had the biggest recessionary drop in our history.

01:22:45.000 So that's a problem.

01:22:47.000 But the other part of the problem is that people who are locked down can't go to hospitals to get kidney dialysis, cancer treatments, breast biopsies, colonoscopies.

01:23:03.000 And by the way, if you lock people up like rats in a cage, They're going to start taking more drugs, drinking more and eating more, and their health is going to deteriorate.

01:23:15.000 So that's something that the Fauciites never clearly understood. 0.90

01:23:19.000 They're knee-jerk.

01:23:20.000 And so there became, as we began to realize that, there became Uh, the idea where, no, no, no, we gotta, we gotta learn how to open this up, and then, like, the best model here, really, ex-post, is the Sweden model.

01:23:36.000 Sweden just went for herd immunity.

01:23:37.000 They didn't mask their kids, they didn't shut down, they just went for it.

01:23:43.000 But was it Trump, Fauci, or Pence making these decisions?

01:23:43.000 Yeah.

01:23:46.000 rates of infection than the rest of Europe because but but I mean we didn't

01:23:52.000 know yeah a lot of that at the time so but was it Trump Fauci or Pence making

01:23:59.000 these decisions or was it a combination of dem three because a lot of people

01:24:03.000 were bewildered why Fauci was still there for so long Yeah, to be honest with you.

01:24:08.000 Let me do this.

01:24:10.000 Okay, this is me talking to the president.

01:24:13.000 This is me may or may not be telling the president to fire Fauci.

01:24:20.000 Yes, and I did tell the president to fire Fauci twice, and once after my showdown in Chapter 2 in the Sit Room over the China travel ban, which he was adamantly opposed to, and the president sent me to argue there on behalf.

01:24:35.000 But to your point, Luke, here's the problem I had, and I always felt like custard, like in the White House, right?

01:24:42.000 So in this case, you had two forces in favor of Fauci.

01:24:46.000 You had the big four at the health care agencies.

01:24:49.000 It was Hahn at the FDA.

01:24:50.000 You had Redfield at the CDC.

01:24:52.000 You had Collins at the NIH.

01:24:55.000 You had Azar, Secretary of Health and Human Services.

01:24:57.000 They're all going, like, Fauci's the best thing since sliced bread.

01:25:00.000 Got to keep him.

01:25:01.000 That could have been overcome.

01:25:01.000 OK?

01:25:03.000 But the other problem we had was the coward in the Chief of Staff office, Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. 0.68

01:25:10.000 And he and the press corps were, no, no, no. 0.90

01:25:13.000 Can't fire Fauci.

01:25:15.000 Too much blowback.

01:25:16.000 And I'm going like Churchill about Hitler. 0.51

01:25:18.000 It's like, no, no, no, no, no. 0.68

01:25:19.000 It's like, you got to strangle that Fauci baby in the crib. 0.66

01:25:22.000 Take the hit, rip the Band-Aid off, do it.

01:25:25.000 But, you know, I clearly, I lost on that one.

01:25:28.000 And Fauci, you know, he's in charge of everything now.

01:25:34.000 But he was like, demonstrably trying to take out President Trump with what I called his

01:25:39.000 passive aggressive behavior.

01:25:41.000 And he was, I was the only guy who fought him, Luke.

01:25:44.000 Go back and look at the history.

01:25:45.000 I almost got fired once for it.

01:25:47.000 And the true story.

01:25:49.000 And it's like, I was right every time I challenged him, whether it was on the traffic ban.

01:25:54.000 Especially in hindsight with him doing the studies that we're going to be talking about

01:25:57.000 later in the bonus section.

01:26:00.000 In an area where we could discuss this in a bigger deal.

01:26:02.000 Oh yeah, a bit darker.

01:26:03.000 But there's a lot of things that we could get into.

01:26:07.000 And thank you for providing such insight into this, because this is leaving a lot of people asking, what was going on?

01:26:12.000 What was happening here?

01:26:13.000 One other thing that I emphasize in the In Trump Time book is that Pence Never, ever should have been in charge of that task force. 0.98

01:26:21.000 That was a stupid, scientific, and political decision, because he was too close to the Oval Office, right? 0.76

01:26:29.000 What you needed, and as I argue in the In Trump Time book, is like, you wanted somebody who was tough, smart, who could appeal to both sides of the aisle, and would deliver this thing, whiskey straight, no chaser. 1.00

01:26:42.000 Like it's the Mel Gibson, one of the Mel Gibson movies, like men will die, you know, people, Americans are going to die, right?

01:26:49.000 And there's going to be a lot of them or less dying, but people are going to die no matter what you do.

01:26:56.000 So that's not a winning hand.

01:26:58.000 So what you have to do is you have to get your best people in charge and keep politics out of it.

01:27:05.000 And that's, we did not do that.

01:27:07.000 No.

01:27:08.000 And it gave Fauci, in particular, an opportunity to manipulate public opinion.

01:27:14.000 I mean, every time his approval rating went up, the bosses went down.

01:27:18.000 You know, there's something wrong with that.

01:27:20.000 There's something wrong with that.

01:27:22.000 He struck me as like an old guard general, like a World War I general that was still on staff when World War II broke out, and you immediately realize, like, you put him in charge and he makes a blunder, and you realize he's not Abel, he's not qualified to lead anymore.

01:27:36.000 You've got to immediately remove him and put in a young new general.

01:27:39.000 And yeah, I'm still waiting for that to happen.

01:27:41.000 So do you think it was the influence of all these four horsemen that you detailed that kept Fauci in there?

01:27:46.000 Or do you think there was something else that kept him in there?

01:27:49.000 No, it was a combination.

01:27:52.000 It was initially the four horsemen, literally, of the pandemic, right, in the health care bureaucracy.

01:27:59.000 But as Fauci gained purchase in his perch there, and his approval rating was high, he had what we call a high Q rating in TV and things like that, that's where the Mulvaney Second Act came in, where Mulvaney was too afraid to fire him, and the press people were like, they were like, they just like, they were like frozen in fear with the idea of taking him on, and it's like, no, no, no, no.

01:28:27.000 I mean, I hope I can provide you with the background.

01:28:30.000 That's the fun part about the In Trump Time book.

01:28:33.000 It literally is the definitive insider's account of what happened there, because I was there.

01:28:38.000 I kept a journal.

01:28:40.000 Most of the time I was a participant.

01:28:43.000 Sometimes I was observer.

01:28:44.000 But a lot of these stories people just don't understand as to what happened and how it happened.

01:28:50.000 And like, for example, Pence's Chief of Staff Mark Short.

01:28:54.000 I mean, one of the reasons why you did not want Mike Pence running the task force is his Chief of Staff Mark Short did not believe there was a pandemic.

01:29:02.000 He thought this was just kind of the flu.

01:29:05.000 I mean, how can you get a task force moving And by the way, there's a funny story that's darkly funny in the In Trump Time book about this guy, Mark Short.

01:29:14.000 de facto didn't believe there was a problem. And by the way, there's a funny

01:29:19.000 story that's darkly funny in the In Trump Time book about this guy, Mark

01:29:23.000 Schurter. I mean, early on, think about this, think about this.

01:29:25.000 Short decides to send Pence out on Air Force Two out to the Seattle area where the pandemic just was developing.

01:29:35.000 Like, people are dying left and right in a nursing home, and he thinks it's a good idea for Pence to go out there.

01:29:41.000 Now, you might be thinking, yeah, of course we send our president or vice president out into hurricane zones or tragedies or whatever.

01:29:48.000 But you don't do that in a pandemic, and here's why.

01:29:51.000 It's like, it's not just Pence going out there.

01:29:54.000 It's all the staff, it's all the Secret Service agents, it's the advanced staff, and guess what?

01:30:00.000 Next day, where are they?

01:30:02.000 They're back at the White House, right?

01:30:03.000 And you have the golden opportunity—thank you, Communist China—to wipe out, effectively, the top level of government. It was insane. And that vice 0.87

01:30:16.000 president's office had the highest rate of infection of any unit within the White House because of 1.00

01:30:23.000 Mark Short and his stupidity. 1.00

01:30:25.000 Mark Short made the decision to send the vice president into a pandemic hot zone? 1.00

01:30:29.000 Yes. Wow. He's the chief of staff.

01:30:33.000 I mean, look, look, look, let me say this.

01:30:36.000 I love Mike, OK?

01:30:37.000 I had a great relationship with him.

01:30:39.000 There's no, there's no sour grapes bitterness here.

01:30:42.000 One time, there's a great story in the In Trump Time book about after I did a tilt with Jake Tapper one Sunday, right, which was particularly vitriolic as it always is with Tapper.

01:30:52.000 I go in the Oval and we're all standing around and Mike does this like wonderful impression of me.

01:30:58.000 During the debate, like, with my hand gestures and everything like that, it was hilarious.

01:31:02.000 I had a really warm relationship with him.

01:31:05.000 But when Mark Short took over as Chief of Staff midway through the four years, it was like this iron curtain descended over Mike, and you could no longer speak to him.

01:31:18.000 Before that, I would brief him regularly, he was open to stuff, he always read the stuff we did.

01:31:23.000 Mark Short comes along, he just walls the guy off.

01:31:27.000 And for all the wrong reasons.

01:31:30.000 So that was all the more reason.

01:31:32.000 There's a great, again, another story in the Interim Time book about how I'm the guy, as the Defense Production Act coordinator, I had like five warehouses surrounded With FBI agents and Bill Barr on my side to crack down on these SOBs who were price gouging. 0.76

01:31:50.000 We were ready to raid them to send a strong signal to anybody who was going to take advantage of the pandemic that they were going to suffer severe consequences.

01:31:59.000 Guess what?

01:32:00.000 Mark Short and the Vice President's counsel, Greg Jacob, prevented us from doing that.

01:32:08.000 Yeah, I was like, what are you guys doing?

01:32:12.000 Why are you doing this?

01:32:14.000 This is crazy.

01:32:14.000 Bar, I go to bar, I go, Bill, it's like, why can't we do this?

01:32:18.000 And he goes, well, it's the vice president's office.

01:32:20.000 It's like, what can you do?

01:32:23.000 Well, I called him.

01:32:24.000 It's like, no, this was crazy.

01:32:26.000 So this guy, I'm into like homages and things like that.

01:32:32.000 So there's a lot of that in there.

01:32:33.000 But this was a Shakespearean tragedy.

01:32:36.000 And there's a character in Othello, Iago, who for his own, quote, peculiar ends betrays his principle.

01:32:46.000 And this was what Mark Short did.

01:32:48.000 Mark Short basically controlled Pence on the behalf of the Koch network, which

01:32:55.000 is the dark money network of conservative money that loves certain aspects of the Trump agenda, which

01:33:01.000 is deregulation and tax cuts, but loathes secure borders and fair trade, because that prevents them from offshoring.

01:33:10.000 This was these were the guys in the midst.

01:33:13.000 Mnuchin, Wall Street, Goldman Sachs screwing everything up.

01:33:17.000 Mark Short.

01:33:18.000 Coke Network, Larry Kudlow, Wall Street.

01:33:23.000 It's very interesting.

01:33:24.000 The president, greatest president in modern history, to be clear, but a lot of what he did, he did it in spite of who worked for him rather than because of it.

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01:33:42.000 But let's see what all of you guys have to say. 0.94

01:33:45.000 Speaking to turkeys, we have this from TheSquid who says, Turkey sucks anyway.

01:33:49.000 Let's all have ham and all the rest of the normal foods. 0.97

01:33:53.000 Turkey is bland and disgusting compared to anything else you can have. 0.96

01:33:55.000 How dare you? 0.73

01:33:56.000 I love turkey.

01:33:57.000 You gotta make it moist.

01:34:00.000 Dry turkey is a little... Look, you slice it and you make a sandwich.

01:34:04.000 And it's delicious.

01:34:05.000 You gotta make sure it's salted properly.

01:34:07.000 I'm not eating any bread for the most part anymore.

01:34:09.000 Try the fryer.

01:34:10.000 You cook it right, it tastes good.

01:34:12.000 You cook it wrong, it's like...

01:34:15.000 You know what I've learned? 0.63

01:34:16.000 I've learned when people say stuff like, broccoli sucks, or spinach sucks, or turkey sucks, you're just cooking it wrong. 0.74

01:34:23.000 It's that simple. 0.74

01:34:24.000 There were wars.

01:34:27.000 How many human beings died over making food taste good?

01:34:30.000 East India Trading Company's like, peppercorn!

01:34:33.000 They're like shooting.

01:34:35.000 War.

01:34:36.000 My favorite expression from my three years in the Peace Corps was, work hard, rice delicious.

01:34:43.000 Yeah.

01:34:44.000 Rice delicious, is that what you said?

01:34:46.000 Well, meaning that if you work hard during the day, your food will taste good.

01:34:52.000 Lex Freeman posted on Instagram what we think people from the 14th century would be mind-blown by, and it shows like iPhones.

01:34:58.000 What they'd really be mind-blown by, it shows a bunch of spices on the shelf at the grocery store.

01:35:03.000 All right, Jay says, soy turkey is a no-go.

01:35:06.000 My mom has developed a soy and soy extract allergy severe enough for her throat to swell shut. 1.00

01:35:11.000 Yikes, man.

01:35:12.000 Keep your mom safe and hydrated.

01:35:15.000 Well, it's all Frankenstein.

01:35:16.000 It's all GMO.

01:35:17.000 Just get the real turkey.

01:35:18.000 We got a 25-pound turkey.

01:35:20.000 Cause we went to the farm and they asked us, you know, like, what are you looking for?

01:35:23.000 And I said, I want your biggest turkey.

01:35:25.000 And they were like, we'll get you the biggest one.

01:35:26.000 And I was like, okay.

01:35:27.000 And then we showed up and they were like second biggest.

01:35:29.000 And I was like, you, you, I should, but it's, it's huge.

01:35:33.000 It's huge.

01:35:34.000 And after, as they were handing it to us, I was like, I don't know if that will fit in the oven.

01:35:38.000 It's not going to fit.

01:35:39.000 And they were like, just take all the racks out and just figure it out.

01:35:42.000 And I'm like, but it's going to take like 12 hours to cook.

01:35:48.000 And we are going to have one heck of a turkey, man.

01:35:51.000 All right, Kyle Miller says, Tim, how long until you get Trump on?

01:35:55.000 You know, we've talked to people, not Trump, but people, you know, in Trump's circle.

01:36:00.000 And what we've basically been told is there's absolutely no way Trump would sit down for two and a half hours on a show like this.

01:36:06.000 So it will never happen.

01:36:08.000 No, it could happen.

01:36:08.000 We go to Mar-a-Lago.

01:36:09.000 That's not this show happening.

01:36:11.000 That's us doing like a special sit-down half an hour with Trump.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, like an hour.

01:36:14.000 There's no way.

01:36:15.000 We were told by multiple people that Trump would come here, sit down, hang out for a couple hours.

01:36:20.000 And they were like, if you would get an interview, it'd be like what barstool sports did.

01:36:24.000 I think like Dave Portnoy did that interview with him, right?

01:36:26.000 Pretty sure.

01:36:26.000 Yeah, you'd show up, you'd sit down, he'd eventually be like, okay, I think we're out of time, have a nice day, thanks for coming, it's been a blast.

01:36:32.000 I would like to point out, if you want to be president for four years, then you can sit down for two hours and talk.

01:36:38.000 Trump doesn't need to come here and do that to be president.

01:36:42.000 If you have patience, you have patience.

01:36:43.000 But maybe one of our guests on the show will one day be president.

01:36:46.000 Oh, I would doubt it.

01:36:48.000 Got a lot of people who are political, a lot of politicians.

01:36:50.000 And hey, you know, some of these people are pretty young, like late, late 20s, maybe in 30 years, you know, be like, wow, I can't believe that guy's on my show.

01:36:58.000 Nice running for president. 0.53

01:36:59.000 I also bet we could get Trump talking and continue talking.

01:37:02.000 And I think it would go on a little bit longer than expected.

01:37:05.000 And I think it would be a lot of fun and it would be a very important conversation.

01:37:08.000 So someone mentioned like, uh, Perfect.

01:37:11.000 I'm staying out of this!

01:37:12.000 if you watch the media interviews Trump's done to get him going and not stop was to say he did

01:37:17.000 something wrong or something like that and then have him just get into heavy details. Perfect.

01:37:21.000 Yeah. I don't know. Does that makes you think? I'm staying out of this.

01:37:25.000 There's a reason why I survived five years for the president, right?

01:37:30.000 I would love to have that conversation.

01:37:33.000 I have a lot of critical things I would like to address.

01:37:35.000 No, no, no.

01:37:35.000 See, the thing about Trump is that I'm pretty sure if you, Luke, were like, what's up with the deal with Saudi Arabia, he'd be like, listen, listen, I'll tell you what happened with Saudi Arabia.

01:37:42.000 And he'd just go off.

01:37:42.000 Yeah, good.

01:37:43.000 We want that.

01:37:44.000 We need that.

01:37:44.000 We want to get a perspective that the mainstream media didn't ask him.

01:37:47.000 The mainstream media was going off on lunatic assertions that had no basis in reality.

01:37:52.000 If there was some actual constructive criticism, I think he would want to listen to it and want to have a conversation about it.

01:37:59.000 I think so, personally.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:00.000 And about industrialization, yeah.

01:38:02.000 Cheeseburger says, Tim, please can we just ignore the corporate media now?

01:38:07.000 Colbert, etc.

01:38:08.000 Let's just do our own thing and ignore the evildoers.

01:38:11.000 TimCast is a corporation.

01:38:13.000 TimCast is a corporation, but corporate media is a reference to, like, conglomerates, not a small, like, you know, 30-person company.

01:38:20.000 We're not even as big as Daily Wire.

01:38:21.000 But, you know, the thing about Colbert is What's happening is you have a lot of regular people waking up.

01:38:26.000 They go to the store and a turkey, which cost $20 last year, is $50 this year.

01:38:30.000 And they're like, whoa!

01:38:33.000 $50?

01:38:33.000 If they can get one.

01:38:34.000 There's a lot of areas where you get these high-profile blue checks.

01:38:37.000 They're tweeting out pictures like, look at all these turkeys. 1.00

01:38:40.000 And then you've got middle America places where people have no turkeys.

01:38:43.000 And they're like, what is this?

01:38:44.000 The craziness about what the media is doing right now They're constantly just Potemkin supermarketing everything

01:38:52.000 that's going on Potemkin gas prices They're saying look how cheap it is here

01:38:56.000 Look at all the wonderful abundance here and then regular people are sitting in there like, you know

01:39:01.000 Empty living room with an empty fridge just being like what is going on?

01:39:05.000 But it keeps a lot of people in those areas under under wraps

01:39:09.000 Let's not forget the Jimmy Carter cardigan sweater moment this what was that?

01:39:14.000 I wasn't alive.

01:39:15.000 Oh, you don't know about this?

01:39:16.000 Yeah, I was not living.

01:39:19.000 So let me take you back to the 70s, because my first job was in the Department of Energy, and my job was to figure out how to get us off foreign oil, because we never imagined we could do what we did under President Trump, which has become Energy independence.

01:39:37.000 So what happened, Tim, back in those days to start the stagflation was OPEC cartel, basically through the Saudis, did an embargo on the American people. 0.55

01:39:50.000 And they had two separate oil embargoes.

01:39:55.000 where the price of oil went from, you know, 30 bucks to 100 bucks overnight.

01:39:59.000 There were large gas lines. I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of that.

01:40:03.000 And at the same time we were having food price shocks.

01:40:07.000 So Carter gets elected because of the misery associated with what was happening.

01:40:16.000 And his solution is not to drill more oil or crack down on the Saudis or whatever. 0.82

01:40:23.000 It was like, wear more cardigan sweaters and freeze in your home.

01:40:26.000 That's right.

01:40:27.000 Right?

01:40:28.000 And so he gave this famous speech, right, where he's sitting and the lights are like dark and he's got like, he's like, okay, the guy's like a former Navy nuclear guy.

01:40:37.000 He's got no sense of like, look at this beautiful studio here.

01:40:40.000 If he'd done it in this studio, he might have got away with it and had like Christmas gears on the sweater.

01:40:48.000 But no, it was like a really dark vision.

01:40:51.000 People go, I don't want to live in that America.

01:40:53.000 And so, I mean, here we go.

01:40:55.000 It's like the tofu Thanksgiving. 0.93

01:40:57.000 I don't want to live in that America.

01:40:59.000 So this could be...

01:41:01.000 Biden's cardigan-sweating moment.

01:41:03.000 You heard it here first on the Tim Pool Show.

01:41:07.000 I would love to see Joe Biden.

01:41:08.000 Three days before Thanksgiving.

01:41:09.000 Joe Biden comes out tomorrow, the day before Thanksgiving, because news, you know, don't eat turkeys, people are complaining, and he says, listen.

01:41:16.000 Tofurky is delicious.

01:41:19.000 Americans are strong, they don't need turkeys.

01:41:21.000 Eat your soy, America, and then everyone's gonna be like, approval rating just drops to zero.

01:41:26.000 5%?

01:41:26.000 Although, he might go up a little bit in Iowa, right?

01:41:30.000 Where they make the soy?

01:41:31.000 They're gonna be like, yeah, soy, woo!

01:41:34.000 Tofurky's stock is up.

01:41:35.000 All right.

01:41:36.000 Junior V says, I cannot wait to see how the mainstream media spins the Black Friday mob robberies of stores and innocent shoppers.

01:41:43.000 Oh yeah.

01:41:44.000 Did you see what's happening in San Francisco?

01:41:46.000 With the people, like 25 cars pull up, 80 people run into, what was it, a Nordstrom or something?

01:41:51.000 And then in Union Square, like a Louis Vuitton, they're raiding buildings because they're getting away with it.

01:41:51.000 Yeah, a Nordstrom.

01:41:57.000 It's close to home.

01:41:58.000 My CVS, which is like right beside the building where I live in DC, just closed because of all the vandalism and the theft.

01:42:12.000 Best Buy's taking a hit and their stock took a major hit because of the mass robberies.

01:42:17.000 So I'll tell you this, you know what I see happening?

01:42:19.000 I just think the country's collapsing.

01:42:21.000 There is that.

01:42:22.000 We're in a 50-50 country right now and the progressives have been in the ascendancy and everything they're doing undermines us economically, socially, culturally, and boy are people fed up with that in the flyover country in Main Street.

01:42:41.000 Again, to Lydia's point, look, I've never seen nothing like this.

01:42:47.000 Like, during the Vietnam War, OK, the kinds of demonstrations that happened in Washington was massive.

01:42:56.000 It's like stuff that's happening now with the BLM, whatever, around the White House.

01:43:02.000 That was mild compared to what you saw in DC, but it was... In terms of size or violence?

01:43:09.000 In terms of size, but that's it.

01:43:11.000 The violence back in the 60s, there were huge crowds, but there was not the kind of violence that you're seeing.

01:43:20.000 So you have that kind of difference.

01:43:22.000 And then you got the 70s stagflation.

01:43:26.000 We're going to really experience that again.

01:43:29.000 You know, the 80s was relatively prosperous.

01:43:32.000 The 90s were some of the best.

01:43:35.000 Yeah, that was like the boom of the decade.

01:43:38.000 Yeah, it's like so this is where we're way outside in pandemic.

01:43:42.000 Remember, the last pandemic we had was 1918 with the flu.

01:43:46.000 And this one, look, one of the things I get, one of the things in the In Trump Time book is was my quest Right.

01:44:01.000 And we've done presidential commissions for Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassination, the BP oil spill.

01:44:08.000 I just want to say that as a guy who is like at the center of this.

01:44:13.000 If I had been able to get the original genome of the virus from communist China at the time, we could have got a vaccine that would have been more sophisticated and quicker than we did. 0.73

01:44:30.000 So it's not insignificant that we weren't able to do that.

01:44:36.000 So I don't think we get to the end of the pandemic until we understand The beginning of it.

01:44:41.000 And I think that's a fair question that everybody should have on their mind.

01:44:45.000 All right, we're gonna read this one from Red Rumaxx.

01:44:48.000 He says, UK is advertising crickets and cheeseburgers on public transport.

01:44:53.000 I saw a huge post on the tube today.

01:44:55.000 Could not believe my eyes.

01:44:56.000 Now, I will say, we cooked a cricket bread.

01:44:59.000 Remember, Ian?

01:45:00.000 Yes.

01:45:01.000 And it was not good.

01:45:02.000 Cricket bread?

01:45:02.000 No.

01:45:03.000 Not the best.

01:45:04.000 It was cricket flour.

01:45:05.000 Crickets ground up into powder.

01:45:07.000 It has to be croissant, boys.

01:45:09.000 Yeah, we should have made a cricket croissant.

01:45:11.000 They know nothing here!

01:45:12.000 Come on, everybody knows that!

01:45:14.000 Cricket flour is basically just milled cricket and it doesn't have anything in it.

01:45:21.000 It doesn't have anything in it that functions like bread.

01:45:23.000 Does it have as much protein as tofurkey?

01:45:26.000 Probably more.

01:45:27.000 But the problem is it's got an astringent flavor to it.

01:45:31.000 So if we've done right, I would say it was not good.

01:45:34.000 It was food, and I will tell you this.

01:45:37.000 If I went in the kitchen and there was nothing and there was cricket bread, I'd eat it and I would not be upset.

01:45:40.000 Yeah, we made it in a bread maker, but for sure if you made a no-bake bread with some sugar, some salt, you know, you can make it taste really, really good.

01:45:48.000 Is there the underlying question of Why?

01:45:51.000 Why do we do it?

01:45:53.000 Well, so when the cicadas came... It's like, should I go to the moon or make cricket bread?

01:45:57.000 Well, they're advertising eating cricket.

01:45:59.000 They're telling everybody to eat bugs.

01:46:01.000 Who's doing that?

01:46:02.000 In the UK, they got advertising.

01:46:03.000 The media was saying all last year, eat cicadas.

01:46:06.000 And I'm like, please don't eat bugs.

01:46:09.000 There was a restaurant in Leesburg, Virginia that was picking cicadas off the wall in their backyard and serving it to people.

01:46:18.000 And the health department said, you can't take bugs off the ground and sell it to people.

01:46:23.000 And CNN was like, oh look at all the people eating cicadas.

01:46:28.000 You combine the proteins in Guinness Stout and the crickets and somehow in England it tastes better.

01:46:32.000 That's what you were missing.

01:46:35.000 Or preferably you drink like six bottles of Guinness Stout before you eat the crickets.

01:46:41.000 Do you know the story?

01:46:42.000 Drink hard, crickets delicious.

01:46:44.000 Do you guys know the story about Guinness?

01:46:48.000 So I read this in one of those trivia books and it may not be true but There's a book and it said, like, you know, the story of Guinness.

01:46:57.000 They used to have the big vats where they make the, whatever you call them, where they make the booze, right?

01:47:00.000 They make the beer.

01:47:01.000 And when sanitation became a thing around the Industrial Revolution, they cleaned everything out.

01:47:07.000 When they started brewing the beer again, people noticed it didn't taste as good.

01:47:09.000 Something was missing.

01:47:11.000 And so they didn't understand what was missing, so they, you know, checked, and they were like, everything's the same.

01:47:15.000 But what they didn't realize, and again, this may not be true, I just read it in a book.

01:47:19.000 I'm saying, it's very careful, because I don't want it to... What happened was, rats would climb into the vats to drink it, and then drown and die, and sink to the bottom, and then decay.

01:47:29.000 So they replaced it with fish oil, and it brought the flavor back or whatever.

01:47:33.000 I don't know if that's true again.

01:47:35.000 I read it in a weird book.

01:47:36.000 Lydia, you are a lovely shade of green for the holidays.

01:47:39.000 Gross, thank you.

01:47:40.000 Who needs a Christmas tree when you've got Lydia? 1.00

01:47:42.000 Strong, yeah, right.

01:47:44.000 Thank you.

01:47:44.000 Here we go.

01:47:45.000 Joshua says, Tim, don't worry about the turkey shortage.

01:47:47.000 You can still buy a rotisserie chicken at Costco for $4.99.

01:47:50.000 I mean, hey, how about instead of a turkey, everybody gets a rotisserie chicken?

01:47:50.000 That's right.

01:47:53.000 I like that.

01:47:55.000 But it's half the size it was last year.

01:47:57.000 Right, they're getting smaller.

01:47:58.000 Well, we got our own chickens, but we're not gonna eat them.

01:48:00.000 That's right.

01:48:01.000 We got about 15 chickens now.

01:48:02.000 Those $5 chickens are probably modified and ejected.

01:48:06.000 I don't think they're the same DNA as actual chickens.

01:48:08.000 Are they laying hens you have?

01:48:09.000 Is that what you mean?

01:48:09.000 We have 10 laying hens.

01:48:12.000 We have, I think, 7 laying hens, and then we have 3 pullets.

01:48:17.000 Actually, they may be.

01:48:18.000 They're not quite adult yet.

01:48:18.000 Yeah, they're pullets.

01:48:20.000 And then we've got 1 rooster, and then Three?

01:48:25.000 No, four other cockerels.

01:48:26.000 Do they wake you up in the morning?

01:48:28.000 They wake Ian up.

01:48:29.000 The rooster does, yeah.

01:48:30.000 Although I'm starting to sleep through it.

01:48:31.000 I talked to my mom last night I got these chokers for the roosters where you put them around their neck and then they go So they don't really scream very much.

01:48:38.000 She was like that's so cruel.

01:48:39.000 Yeah, you can't we can't it reinforced I don't want to I'd rather just tough it out I read too many horror stories where like what happens they have heart attacks that the roosters will try and like I'm gonna let the rooster do his thing.

01:48:50.000 We'll move him to the farm eventually, I think is the plan.

01:48:53.000 So yeah, we're gonna be moving the Black Stars and Dorothy to the new place so they can have their own little, you know, chicken life. 0.99

01:49:03.000 Chicken heaven.

01:49:03.000 But we got the most luxurious chicken coop.

01:49:06.000 It's Chicken City. 0.80

01:49:07.000 These chickens are 1% of chickens, man.

01:49:07.000 It's massive.

01:49:10.000 Protected.

01:49:11.000 They got this hanging water thing.

01:49:13.000 They got their food.

01:49:13.000 You got chicken races out there or anything?

01:49:15.000 What was that?

01:49:16.000 Chicken races.

01:49:16.000 No, no, but we're actually in the process of setting up Chicken City live show, so we're gonna have cameras all over.

01:49:22.000 You gotta see, it's massive, it's massive.

01:49:24.000 It's underneath this house, and it's really huge.

01:49:28.000 So we're gonna put cameras everywhere, and they're all gonna live stream, and the cameras will rotate periodically, and then people will be able to go to the live stream 24-7 to watch the chickens do their chicken thing.

01:49:37.000 So I got an idea for you, okay?

01:49:39.000 So like, elevate the chickens up, And then have a pond beneath it, right?

01:49:46.000 And you can do the aquaponics with fish.

01:49:50.000 You think so?

01:49:51.000 Well, that's how they do it, yeah.

01:49:52.000 It's rough, though.

01:49:53.000 Mosquitoes in the summer.

01:49:54.000 So you've got to add a bunch of stuff.

01:49:56.000 Because the droppings from the chicken.

01:49:58.000 Yeah, like a fertilizer.

01:50:00.000 Aquaponics.

01:50:02.000 Well, chickens sure do poop. 1.00

01:50:04.000 That's one thing we know for sure.

01:50:06.000 They are poopy birds.

01:50:08.000 All right.

01:50:10.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:50:11.000 says, Peter, sir, if we get that second term you're predicting, can we save our military?

01:50:16.000 Is CRAP too far ingrained to still have a strong force versus China?

01:50:21.000 Now CRAP stands for Critical Race Applied Principles.

01:50:24.000 I see.

01:50:24.000 So we're seeing all that wokeness in the military.

01:50:27.000 So, let me reflect on one of my experience from the In Trump Time book within the context of Mad Dog Mattis.

01:50:39.000 Remember the old saying in Reagan, like, personnel is policy?

01:50:43.000 Meaning that who you hire is like what your outcome is in the White House and stuff like that.

01:50:48.000 So Mattis, Mattis gets in there as a four-star general.

01:50:53.000 He's adamantly opposed to all of the trade policies we want to do.

01:50:59.000 He's adamantly opposed to taking on China.

01:51:01.000 He wants to be an accommodationist.

01:51:04.000 And he spends all of his time disobeying the chain of command.

01:51:10.000 Like, no matter what, President Trump, the Commander-in-Chief, Would tell this guy he would not follow those orders.

01:51:18.000 This guy's a four star general.

01:51:18.000 Now think about that.

01:51:20.000 If anybody should understand the importance of chain of command it should be General Mattis.

01:51:26.000 Now why do I say this in answer to your questions like this is the problem we have in the military.

01:51:32.000 It's not unlike the other bureaucracies where there's a culture that's been adopted where the Pentagon seems to be independent of The leadership and from what I'm really surprised at this critical race theory has has been able to metastasize so quickly in the Pentagon because it must have been going on during the Trump administration.

01:51:55.000 We just didn't see.

01:51:57.000 it happening. So that's that has to be on our watch. But what the Pentagon needs to be focused

01:52:04.000 on is one thing, military readiness. That's it. Military readiness. I mean, don't you think it's

01:52:10.000 very important for the military to also be ready to, you know, talk about each other's feelings?

01:52:15.000 Feelings.

01:52:16.000 Well, you know, what if what if there's a soldier?

01:52:21.000 You got a guy in basic training.

01:52:24.000 But look, there's a guy in basic, right?

01:52:25.000 You know, he's 18.

01:52:26.000 He's enlisted.

01:52:27.000 He's crawling through the mud.

01:52:29.000 Yeah.

01:52:29.000 And then he starts crying.

01:52:30.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 And shouldn't the drill sergeant and everyone... Get up, soldier.

01:52:34.000 No, snuggle puddle.

01:52:35.000 Cuddle puddle. 0.95

01:52:36.000 You know, he's crying.

01:52:37.000 Everyone's got a hug.

01:52:38.000 And then they can go and watch, you know, cartoons.

01:52:40.000 I heard safe spaces are bulletproof, right?

01:52:42.000 No, look, I'm deeply concerned about the military.

01:52:46.000 We were able to significantly increase the military budget and kind of get it back towards the trajectory it needed to be.

01:52:55.000 But we're woefully unprepared for what is likely to be our I mean, you're seeing the whole doctrine of peace through strength, Reagan-Trump, right?

01:53:10.000 I mean, think about this.

01:53:11.000 We come in, and Trump—everybody understands he's a tough SOB, right?

01:53:15.000 So what happens?

01:53:15.000 Immediately, North Korea missiles, they stop flying those things, right?

01:53:19.000 Iran kind of backs off from all the crap it's doing. 1.00

01:53:22.000 We're able to put tariffs on China without it going berserk. 0.98

01:53:27.000 But as soon as Trump's gone, it's like, what is China doing?

01:53:31.000 Are we watching?

01:53:32.000 It's like they're throwing aircraft across Taiwanese space. 0.68

01:53:38.000 They're threatening everybody.

01:53:40.000 They went to Alaska and Hawaii?

01:53:41.000 Yeah.

01:53:42.000 They're getting in our faces?

01:53:43.000 Yeah, they're getting right in our faces.

01:53:44.000 They're calling.

01:53:45.000 By the way, the summit that just happened, I don't know if you watched that, but that term, like when Xi Jinping called Joe Biden his, quote, old friend.

01:53:54.000 Oh, that was good.

01:53:56.000 Oh, man, that is some kind of insult in China, baby. 1.00

01:54:00.000 No, no, it was because I think Psaki was asked.

01:54:03.000 Peter Ducey said something like, you know, Biden and his old friend Xi.

01:54:07.000 And then they were like, I assure you, Biden is not friends.

01:54:10.000 And so Xi Jinping was then like, my old friend, Joe Biden.

01:54:14.000 That's like, you know, that's an insult.

01:54:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:54:17.000 MurphyTriesDIY says, Tim wouldn't answer a call from the Situation Room because he would think it's a call for extending his car's warranty.

01:54:25.000 Actually, that's incorrect.

01:54:26.000 I don't answer calls to extend my car warranty out of fear it may actually be the Situation Room.

01:54:32.000 The other way around.

01:54:33.000 Well, hey, by the way, Tim, if you didn't answer that phone, we'd come find you.

01:54:37.000 That's great.

01:54:38.000 That's fine by me.

01:54:40.000 And if the Trump administration was looking for you, it wouldn't be bad news, okay?

01:54:45.000 If the Biden administration comes calling, that's a totally different... My phone rings, I don't care what it says, I don't answer it.

01:54:53.000 By the way, on a personal note, just so you understand, it's like how Washington works.

01:54:59.000 It's like right now, I'm under attack by this subcommittee that Claiborne runs, They're trying to get me to testify.

01:55:08.000 Oh, did you get subpoenaed?

01:55:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:11.000 But there's a good story here because it's like they keep sending me these emails.

01:55:19.000 I get an email a couple of days ago and they say, look, here's your subpoena.

01:55:25.000 If you tell us that you got it, then we'll consider it served.

01:55:28.000 I said, yeah, sure.

01:55:29.000 Right.

01:55:30.000 I got it.

01:55:30.000 Right.

01:55:31.000 So what happens the very next day, right, at 10 in the morning?

01:55:35.000 And I'll actually show you the video of it, because I took an iPhone of it.

01:55:38.000 Sure enough, a sheriff shows up with a subpoena, come knocking on your door.

01:55:44.000 These people, all they're trying to do is intimidate you.

01:55:47.000 And that woman in Colorado, who they're branding a domestic terrorist, and the FBI sends the six agents to, and tears her apartment up or house up to find whatever it is that's not there that they're looking for.

01:56:01.000 I mean, this is a big concern.

01:56:04.000 This is part of the problem I'm seeing.

01:56:06.000 It's like the Department of Justice under Merrick Garland has become essentially a jackboot.

01:56:14.000 And the FBI, as an extension of that, I'm sure that most of the agents in there do not want to do that.

01:56:22.000 But I would love to see some more resistance within the FBI.

01:56:26.000 And I'm calling on that right now to kind of like Hey, slow down a little bit, because mothers who are worried about their kids shouldn't be searched, have to face search warrants. 0.54

01:56:39.000 But anyway, that was an interesting story.

01:56:41.000 It's a bummer, because I grew up with the X-Files FBI, and they were cool.

01:56:45.000 Yeah, they were cool.

01:56:46.000 Even outside of Mulder and Scully, when they had the actual FBI, there's like, hey, we're tracking down a murderer, we're gonna help protect people, but now it's so political.

01:56:56.000 Well, see, I grew up with the J. Edgar.

01:56:58.000 I know that's not true.

01:57:00.000 So I know how it can go bad, but it seemed like things were going pretty good.

01:57:07.000 But this whole Russiagate thing, it's been broken wide open now.

01:57:12.000 It's shown to be a hoax, bull dorms, indicting people and things like that.

01:57:15.000 But that went on for four years.

01:57:18.000 Yes.

01:57:18.000 for four years.

01:57:19.000 The five, it was before the Trump administration even started.

01:57:23.000 Yes.

01:57:24.000 And it was still going on up until Durham started making these moves.

01:57:26.000 Now Rachel Maddow's finally forced to be like, oh, I was lying the whole time. 0.98

01:57:31.000 Well, she was just really dumb, I'll put it that way. 1.00

01:57:33.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:57:34.000 It's strange how, when initial reports were coming out, like my content was all like, hey, we'll look at it

01:57:41.000 and we'll see what they say.

01:57:42.000 And I don't know enough about what's going on to make a judgment,

01:57:45.000 but we'll see what the investigation reveals.

01:57:46.000 And then once it came out, like there was no collusion.

01:57:48.000 It was all a hoax.

01:57:49.000 I was like, okay, we're done with this, right?

01:57:50.000 No, they didn't let it go.

01:57:52.000 They keep doubling down, tripling down on it.

01:57:54.000 I mean, I was just watching Comey rule on Netflix, right?

01:58:00.000 And the whole thing is misinformation and disinformation because it sincerely kind of presents the story as if the Steele dossier were true, right?

01:58:13.000 And you go through the whole thing and if you look at it, it's like, The prologue to the In Trump Time book I call the Rashomon election.

01:58:20.000 I don't know if you guys, or Lydia, have you ever seen Rashomon?

01:58:25.000 So this is a cool movie.

01:58:27.000 Let me pimp a movie here for a minute.

01:58:29.000 The greatest director in Japan's history is Akira Kurosawa.

01:58:35.000 He was the guy who did the original Seven Samurai, which they made a western version of and things like that.

01:58:42.000 But he did a movie called Rashomon, and it was basically a violent crime scene through the eyes of multiple individuals, right?

01:58:50.000 And every person who saw it had a different version of what the events are like.

01:58:56.000 And I feel like we're in this Rashomon world right now with the FBI and CNN and this, that, and the other thing.

01:59:06.000 And it's like, here's the thing.

01:59:08.000 Let me just say this.

01:59:10.000 Four years in the White House, I saw so many stories that were quoted anonymous sources that were just flat out wrong.

01:59:19.000 Just flat out wrong.

01:59:20.000 And I kept thinking to myself, if I know they're wrong because I'm inside, what about the people who are reading this who aren't inside?

01:59:28.000 That's right.

01:59:29.000 Right?

01:59:29.000 And I got this rule.

01:59:31.000 Woodward, in the In Trump Time book, I take him down, okay, because there's a story about me in the Situation Room.

01:59:39.000 And I report how the events happen.

01:59:41.000 Woodward reports the same events with a totally different spin, right?

01:59:46.000 Based on two anonymous sources.

01:59:48.000 And my rule with people like Woodward are two anonymous sources do not equal a fact.

01:59:54.000 And that's the way journalism has gone to.

01:59:57.000 Well, here's how they do it.

01:59:59.000 They'll say a source close to Nancy Pelosi's office reveals that she's planning to impeach, you know, Joe Biden or something.

02:00:07.000 And then it turns out the person close to her office is the homeless guy sleeping out back behind her office.

02:00:12.000 Well, well, hold on.

02:00:13.000 They're telling the truth.

02:00:14.000 He is close to her office.

02:00:16.000 And he's out in the back going like, werewolves are taking over the White House and Nancy Pelosi will impeach Biden.

02:00:20.000 You wait and see.

02:00:21.000 And they're like, write it down and publish.

02:00:23.000 Would you be surprised to know that that a number of reporters knew that I was going to be subpoenaed before I did?

02:00:33.000 Think about that.

02:00:36.000 How did they find out?

02:00:38.000 Well, come on.

02:00:38.000 Come on, people are leaking.

02:00:39.000 They're leaking.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, the classified information.

02:00:41.000 Don't tell the agencies working with the mainstream media.

02:00:43.000 I want to read a couple more Super Chats before we go to the member segment, but I noticed

02:00:46.000 a lot of people are saying, spatchcock the turkey.

02:00:49.000 Yes, I hear good things.

02:00:50.000 What?

02:00:51.000 Let's try that.

02:00:52.000 Okay, so spatchcocking is where you cut it open and you butterfly it, you lay it flat

02:00:56.000 and it helps it cook more evenly.

02:00:57.000 It's supposed to be super good.

02:00:58.000 I like traditional 12-hour bake.

02:00:59.000 That's a long time.

02:01:00.000 Yeah, but you're going to have to put it in a diagonal in the oven still.

02:01:01.000 Yeah, if you try to cook it in a diagonal, it's going to be a long time.

02:01:01.000 our bake.

02:01:05.000 Well, people are saying smoke it.

02:01:06.000 They're saying spatchcock and then put it in a smoker.

02:01:08.000 Sounds amazing.

02:01:09.000 I'll tell you this.

02:01:12.000 The best brisket I've ever had in Texas.

02:01:13.000 When we were in Texas, literally out of the seven days we were there, I had one day where I didn't eat brisket.

02:01:20.000 My gut is still recovering.

02:01:21.000 We had a little bit of brisket today.

02:01:22.000 I was prepared to be disappointed.

02:01:24.000 It was chain food brisket.

02:01:25.000 It was not good.

02:01:26.000 All right.

02:01:28.000 We'll do one more here.

02:01:28.000 This is important.

02:01:29.000 Catherine McGrath says, did Jimmy Carter really get attacked by a giant rabbit? 0.90

02:01:37.000 Ah, I have no friggin' idea. 0.90

02:01:39.000 Alright, alright, alright.

02:01:41.000 So here's what we're going to do.

02:01:42.000 We're going to go to the member segment where we're going to talk about the deep, dark secrets.

02:01:46.000 So make sure you go to TimCast.com, become a member.

02:01:49.000 Don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe to this channel.

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02:02:00.000 And of course, I think you've got something to show.

02:02:02.000 Navarro Unchained.

02:02:03.000 Okay, let's rock.

02:02:05.000 But you've got a book, I think you mentioned.

02:02:06.000 I think I have the In Trump Time book there, yes.

02:02:10.000 I like that photo much, much more.

02:02:11.000 By the way, a little breaking news for you.

02:02:13.000 Tomorrow morning, press release is going out where I'm actually recommending another book to buy at the holidays in conjunction with this.

02:02:23.000 It's called The Real Anthony Fauci by Bobby Kennedy Jr.

02:02:27.000 And this is my account of Fauci during the year of the plague.

02:02:31.000 And Kennedy comes at it from the previous decades where Fauci was there.

02:02:36.000 And I think that as a gift for the holidays, by the time you get to the end of those two books, you will have a very different view of Fauci if you still think he's Santa Claus.

02:02:49.000 I know where you guys are coming from!

02:02:52.000 I heard great things about that Bobby Kennedy book.

02:02:55.000 I'm excited to read your book.

02:02:57.000 Thank you so much for coming on.

02:02:58.000 I got a million other questions I want to ask you, but I'll save it for another time.

02:03:01.000 Are you a burning bra? 0.67

02:03:03.000 That hurt my feelings! 0.69

02:03:06.000 Did you notice when I said that that for the rest of the show he didn't speak to me at all?

02:03:12.000 I had some questions.

02:03:14.000 I got a lot more.

02:03:16.000 In fact, the eyelids of the Gizane t-shirt, the mask, came off briefly when I said that.

02:03:25.000 Her eyes popped up.

02:03:27.000 It was surprising, but we got a lot more to get into.

02:03:30.000 I'm excited to talk in the bonus section.

02:03:31.000 Let me pimp your t-shirts, too, to make up to it.

02:03:33.000 No worries.

02:03:36.000 Go to wherever you're supposed to.

02:03:37.000 Well, thank you.

02:03:38.000 I appreciate that.

02:03:39.000 I do other videos on, of course, a different YouTube channel, but I have more private, intimate, crazy discussions on LukeUncensored.com.

02:03:47.000 I released an important video today.

02:03:48.000 I'm going to be releasing another one tomorrow about how to talk to your loved ones in a pragmatic way.

02:03:54.000 Especially when you're going to be meeting with them, sitting down with them.

02:03:57.000 Luckily, if you are very blessed to have a turkey, you will be eating one and it's an important opportunity to raise important issues.

02:04:06.000 I'm going to be talking about that all on LukeUncensored.com.

02:04:09.000 Hope to see some of you guys there.

02:04:11.000 It's great to meet you, man.

02:04:12.000 Thanks for coming and releasing the info.

02:04:15.000 This is deep stuff.

02:04:17.000 I'm looking forward to going deeper.

02:04:18.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:04:19.000 Let's get real.

02:04:21.000 And you can follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to get in touch with all my socials.

02:04:24.000 Thanks for coming.

02:04:25.000 And I just wanted to say before I go that the Rashomon effect is where the two people are looking at a six slash a nine and they can't figure out which is which.

02:04:32.000 So there's actually an effect named, I think it's inspired by this movie that came out in 1950.

02:04:37.000 Thank you very much for coming, Peter.

02:04:39.000 A wonderful time.

02:04:40.000 I'm loving this wisdom from these older generations.

02:04:43.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at sarahpatchlids.

02:04:46.000 We will see you all at timcast.com in the members only segment.

02:04:50.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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