Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Woke Takeover Of Company FAILS, Founders Fight Back And WIN w- Grace And Curtis

00:00:00.000 In a viral video, you can see Russian soldiers preparing for some kind of conflict.

00:00:25.000 A super chiseled, shaven head Russian man sits from his bed, muscular. 0.81

00:00:30.000 Then there's another picture of him, he's like in a bomber jet, and he's got like a hood over his head.

00:00:34.000 And then he jumps out, and he's got like a bolt-action rifle, or whatever, because it looks like he's got an AK-47.

00:00:38.000 Anyway, the point is, this is an ad for the Russian army, apparently, and it makes the Russians look like pretty badass. 0.52

00:00:45.000 And this viral video then juxtaposes it with the American Army ad, which is a young woman talking about going to LGBT pride events in support of her two moms.

00:00:57.000 This is getting slammed by conservatives, and I don't think the Democrats really care that much or the woke care that much until it became a culture war issue, but Ted Cruz said that the Democrats and the woke media are trying to make our military into pansies.

00:01:11.000 So across the U.S., we've seen the expansion of critical race theory in many companies.

00:01:15.000 During the Trump era, there was a strong effort to push back.

00:01:18.000 Donald Trump, at the 11th hour, signed his executive orders to ban critical race theory in government trainings and then any company that contracts with the government, but Joe Biden has reversed this.

00:01:28.000 So there's a lot of optimism, but there's also a lot of pessimism.

00:01:31.000 Today, we've got some people here who have actually dealt with the expansion of critical race theory from those in their own organization, and how they pushed back and actually wrote about how they were able to resist this.

00:01:44.000 So we're going to talk a lot about critical race theory today, where we're currently at, optimism, pessimism.

00:01:48.000 Of course, we have the military.

00:01:50.000 We also have the woman who wrote the 1619 Project, outraged because she was denied tenure, even though apparently it isn't something she should have actually gotten.

00:01:58.000 And they're claiming now in mainstream press that it's cancel culture because she wrote fake history and nobody's buying it.

00:02:06.000 I'm just going to throw it to you guys to introduce yourselves, you know, because I know that there's, you know, I'll just throw it to you.

00:02:11.000 You go ahead and you can start, Grace.

00:02:12.000 Thanks for having us.

00:02:13.000 I'm Grace.

00:02:16.000 And Curtis.

00:02:17.000 Good to be with you guys.

00:02:17.000 Aloha.

00:02:20.000 So just you want to give like a really brief introduction of... Yeah, sure.

00:02:24.000 So we're co-founders of a non-profit organization doing trainings with lay care providers working with trauma survivors all over the world.

00:02:34.000 So pretty high trauma context like refugee camps and human trafficking aftercare and foster kids and that kind of thing.

00:02:44.000 Right on.

00:02:45.000 So we're training people who do not have a clinical background in how to better support the people they serve.

00:02:50.000 So you wrote an article for the American, was it the American Mind?

00:02:54.000 Yep.

00:02:54.000 About this push for critical race theory, I suppose.

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 All right, well then we'll just, we'll get into it, I suppose.

00:03:00.000 Did you want to add anything to that, Curtis?

00:03:04.000 I'm just here so that I don't get fined.

00:03:08.000 Good answer!

00:03:09.000 Alright, so I think, you know, for this show, we're going to be going through, like, the whole story, start at the beginning, so it's probably better we save a little bit of it, so Ian has set up his static orb.

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00:07:00.000 So this is the article, The American Mind.

00:07:03.000 You can hold your ground against critical theory.

00:07:07.000 And there's this image of a bunch of very angry people with pitchforks and baseball bats, shovels.

00:07:14.000 One guy's got an axe?

00:07:16.000 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 I've seen angry mobs depicted in movies, but this guy's got an axe and he's wearing some kind of ballistic helmet.

00:07:22.000 Oh my.

00:07:23.000 That's a pretty serious graphic they got there.

00:07:25.000 But I don't think what you guys were going through involved people with axes chasing you.

00:07:30.000 Not literally, no.

00:07:31.000 No, not literally.

00:07:32.000 But I guess the gist of your story is that you were in an organization and wokeness, Critical Racer, started to emerge and you guys fought back.

00:07:40.000 So why don't you just tell me from the beginning what happened?

00:07:42.000 Yeah, so I actually joined Twitter almost a year ago because we were dealing with what we could tell were some sort of ideological strains of thought happening within the organization and with those strains of thought some very specific strongly worded requests around how the organization should proceed.

00:08:05.000 So what does your organization do?

00:08:07.000 Right.

00:08:07.000 So we're doing the trainings for people who work with survivors of trauma.

00:08:13.000 So we're training lay people, so people who do not have clinical training, in how to better serve the people that they are helping.

00:08:20.000 Cool.

00:08:22.000 So what happened with these ideologies?

00:08:23.000 So yeah, so it's connected to, you know, psychology, counseling, and those fields are influenced now, in part, by critical theory, which is an academic theory.

00:08:35.000 And while most people, I mean, I think the language is kind of a hard part about this, because, you know, when you use the word, like, woke, it's really loaded.

00:08:43.000 It's becoming kind of a pejorative and people will resist that and, you know, like, OK, you're just using woke to say like anything I don't like that's coming from the left.

00:08:50.000 It's just sort of this vague word that catches everything and you don't even really know what it means.

00:08:54.000 So let's so so if you don't mind, how about I just I'll pull up critical theory as Wikipedia defines it.

00:09:01.000 Not the perfect definition, but for those that we want to avoid, you know, loaded phrases.

00:09:05.000 Yeah.

00:09:06.000 They say, critical theory is a Marxist approach to social philosophy that focuses on reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures.

00:09:17.000 With origins in sociology and literary criticism, it argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors.

00:09:28.000 Maintaining that ideology is the principal obstacle to human liberation, critical theory was established as a school of thought primarily by the Frankfurt School theoreticians Herbert Marcuse, Theodore Adorno, Walter Benjamin, Eric Fromm, and Max Horkheimer.

00:09:46.000 Horkheimer described a theory as critical insofar as it seeks to liberate human beings from the circumstances that enslave them.

00:09:53.000 So this is what Marxist liberation from systems of power and oppression

00:09:57.000 Orchestrated by humans on behalf of other humans or humans collectivizing in order to liberate themselves from hegemonic

00:10:04.000 oppression So yeah, definitely Marxian in nature. The thing is though

00:10:08.000 and where it gets hard is Even though people are very influenced by the ideas of

00:10:12.000 critical theory and we're seeing this all over our country at this point

00:10:15.000 No in schools and the military and medicine a

00:10:18.000 Lot of people who have embraced the ideas of critical theory don't wouldn't call it that they don't know they

00:10:23.000 wouldn't say Oh, I'm a critical theorist. I believe in critical theory

00:10:26.000 So while they're while they have accepted many of the tenets and they're using the jargon like oh

00:10:31.000 There are systems of power and oppression and we need to you know

00:10:34.000 We need to examine these power structures and make sure that we're not complicit in perpetrating abuses or perpetrating oppression.

00:10:40.000 So we're all familiar with that language at this point.

00:10:43.000 If you were to, you know, ask the average person, like, oh, like, where would you say your ideas are coming from?

00:10:47.000 They might say something just like social justice. 0.93

00:10:49.000 It's social justice.

00:10:50.000 I'm doing social justice.

00:10:51.000 And so it's like, that's great.

00:10:52.000 I'm for that, you know, but they're not maybe aware of the actual roots of this thing and how it, the aims of it, you know?

00:11:00.000 And so they end up aligning themselves with a theory that is Fundamentally, I mean, this is why I think it's so important to speak out about it is it's dehumanizing Definitely so and we felt that and so I mean in terms of that image being somewhat Sensational with all the pitchforks and whatnot it still is and other people many other people because when I when I I posted this story on Twitter and it ended up being spread abroad and and I'll give you a left argument, I suppose, or a critical theorist argument.

00:11:31.000 So you run this organization and you start noticing this ideology.

00:11:37.000 The first question you'll probably get is, well, what's wrong with someone speaking up and trying to have racial justice within your company?

00:11:44.000 Are you against that?

00:11:45.000 No, not at all.

00:11:46.000 In fact, I share those same values and I think we might differ in strategy.

00:11:49.000 And then what happens is when you say I differ in strategy, they say it sounds like maybe you're unwilling to investigate your white privilege or your whiteness or how you're complicit in the system.

00:11:58.000 It sounds like you're not really ready to talk.

00:12:00.000 So it quickly shifts from the idea to you.

00:12:02.000 What was the first thing that happened that that you noticed?

00:12:06.000 Right.

00:12:06.000 So actually the first time the rubber really met the road, we were like, okay, wait a minute.

00:12:11.000 And so first of all, Curtis runs the staff.

00:12:14.000 I'm technically a volunteer for the organization and have been on the board, the governing board.

00:12:19.000 I couldn't help but notice that Curtis is a white male.

00:12:22.000 You are correct.

00:12:23.000 He's also straight.

00:12:25.000 He's also cisgendered.

00:12:26.000 Oh no, are you a Christian? 1.00

00:12:27.000 He's a Christian.

00:12:28.000 I'm gonna pass out.

00:12:30.000 Let's say it was five things, but a trifecta, it's a five.

00:12:35.000 Oh man, that's like way more.

00:12:36.000 But jokingly, but I do bring it up because I'm sure that with him running the staff, that was immediately a point that people brought up.

00:12:43.000 So again, I shouldn't interrupt, but what did you notice?

00:12:47.000 No, it's an important point.

00:12:49.000 Well, I mean, he might be able to speak to this more because he was beginning to feel like, I don't even have the right to, or it's hard for me to contradict my own staff in certain ways based on how they're presenting these things to me as though these are non-negotiables.

00:13:03.000 Well, so what were they presenting?

00:13:04.000 Like, what happened?

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:07.000 I mean, so I would say that the first time that I felt like I ever kind of even hit the pause button, because first of all, I hired all these people.

00:13:17.000 I love these people.

00:13:18.000 They're not people that are carrying pitchforks.

00:13:20.000 Exactly.

00:13:21.000 I mean, when you try to have these conversations, of course, you're trying to get people's attention.

00:13:26.000 So I'm glad that we are attentive to this conversation now.

00:13:30.000 And so all these people, I hired them.

00:13:32.000 They did great work in so many ways for so many years.

00:13:35.000 I'm proud of what we accomplished together and I love and care about them.

00:13:40.000 And it was an honor to partner together as well as support them in all the ways that I was able to.

00:13:48.000 And the first time that I ever felt the need to push pause on and really kind of analyze their approach

00:13:56.000 to providing the mental health resources that our organization's mission offers

00:14:02.000 was when affirmative care came up.

00:14:04.000 And when we were trying to talk through our guidelines of really being welcoming, inclusive,

00:14:08.000 and a space that of course, the shared value of everybody being able to have a voice.

00:14:13.000 have access to what we had to offer and to feel comfortable and and be able to receive from that time in that educational space.

00:14:23.000 So it that is where things began to surface was around the strategy of how to welcome and include people.

00:14:32.000 And so right and specifically around gender identity and the use of gender pronouns.

00:14:37.000 So it was it was an issue of speech and compelled speech because at first Was this you guys introducing a policy or is this something brought to you like wanting a new policy?

00:14:45.000 No.

00:14:45.000 So the way the organization is structured is we're a training organization.

00:14:49.000 So we have trainers who are contract employees who are all over the world.

00:14:53.000 You know, they're scattered different places and they lead trainings for us.

00:14:56.000 And then we have a central team at headquarters that oversees the training program.

00:15:01.000 So it's those training program staff that began, you know, wanting to introduce into the curriculum this idea We should be actually teaching the people at our trainings about gender identity and a good way to model that is to actually more than invite them at first and they eventually realized their first approach was not the best but their first approach was everyone needs to share a pronoun whether you know what that you know whether that's your thing or whatever like we're gonna we're gonna have the whole circle share their gender pronouns

00:15:32.000 I mean there were comical moments because like we train everybody in the world and even the people who come to where we are locally and are trained with us are coming from all over the world.

00:15:41.000 Aren't there many languages that don't have pronouns?

00:15:44.000 That's a good point.

00:15:45.000 Or non-gendered ones? 0.94

00:15:47.000 These trainings that were happening locally were done in English, so anyone who was there was an English speaker.

00:15:50.000 But yes, we train in other languages as well, and in contexts where, yeah, absolutely, this category of gender identity would just be completely foreign and inappropriate to bring up.

00:15:59.000 But the local trainings, you know, we'd have moments where, you know, a woman from Uganda was there at the training and it gets to her and she's just like, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:16:10.000 You know, like, I don't know.

00:16:11.000 So it's like, how is this inclusive?

00:16:12.000 Like, you're making her feel like she's no idea what's going on.

00:16:15.000 And so they backpedaled from that.

00:16:19.000 But it was still their deeply held conviction that if you don't bring that category of gender identity into the space, as they would say it, the people who that category is important to their identity will feel erased, essentially.

00:16:34.000 It's a very egocentric worldview.

00:16:39.000 Like, my experience trumps yours.

00:16:41.000 Yes.

00:16:43.000 Right.

00:16:45.000 And the fact also that even though some of our training staff were licensed clinical mental health professionals, these training spaces are not clinical spaces.

00:16:54.000 So there was that thing, too, of like, well, wait a minute, how can we be doing care?

00:16:58.000 This is a clinical model of care, affirmative care.

00:17:00.000 We shouldn't even be touching it at all.

00:17:01.000 We're training.

00:17:02.000 We're an educational space.

00:17:04.000 No one is signing confidentiality waivers to be here.

00:17:07.000 No one is receiving therapeutic care from you.

00:17:11.000 And so that just kind of that is what ripped off the lid to all of this because I just was like, I don't know what they're talking about.

00:17:18.000 I don't know why this is such a big deal to them.

00:17:20.000 I don't get it at all.

00:17:21.000 I need to start doing some reading.

00:17:22.000 And this was probably like three years ago.

00:17:26.000 It's been, it was, yeah, and that I really started, I, using some of the jargon that I heard from them on a regular basis, I just started reading.

00:17:35.000 So intersectionality, you know, is a big word that I heard them use.

00:17:38.000 And that was kind of where I started.

00:17:40.000 And then that, that launched me into this world of critical theory.

00:17:44.000 This is why I say woke and I don't say critical theory.

00:17:46.000 Critical theory is one aspect of what we're seeing, but then you have intersectionality, then you have fourth wave feminism, and all these different ideas.

00:17:54.000 And so I understand that woke might be loaded because you've got a culture war going on, but it's more of an umbrella term for a variety of authoritarian ideology.

00:18:05.000 It's a moral framework that believes in their own superiority, much like many fundamentalist religions.

00:18:13.000 You can't examine it.

00:18:13.000 It's unassailable.

00:18:14.000 You can't challenge it.

00:18:16.000 So that, to me, was what raised the red flags.

00:18:18.000 It was like, hey, I'm totally happy for you to disagree with me.

00:18:22.000 That's why we hired diverse people.

00:18:24.000 We wanted the strength that comes from different perspectives.

00:18:27.000 But when you tell me I must accept your conception of reality and I can't even ask questions, because asking questions alone reveals that I'm I'm revealing like my resistance to even being a good person or something by asking questions.

00:18:39.000 It's like, oh, I don't want to investigate my cisheteronormative, you know, whatever. 0.57

00:18:43.000 I was like, you know, that to me is like cultish language, you know, where it's like this this doctrine must be accepted and to ask is proof.

00:18:53.000 First of all, that the injustice is happening.

00:18:55.000 That you're questioning, you know, what is Ibram X. Kendi's always saying, the heartbeat of racism is denial.

00:19:00.000 So it's this Kafka trap. 0.71

00:19:01.000 Proving that he himself is one of the most abhorrent racists on the planet.

00:19:05.000 I mean that literally, by his own worldview. 0.96

00:19:08.000 The man himself is one of the most unrepentant racists.

00:19:10.000 And that's a really important point is you have to hold them to the standards that they're holding to you.

00:19:14.000 And then when you hold them to those standards, that's when you start to realize like, wait a minute, this isn't actually about a good faith dialogue because I just applied your standard to you, but now you're, it's, there's, it's asymmetrical.

00:19:26.000 Exactly.

00:19:27.000 So, you know, we'll put a pin into that, and then for the people who watch this show and know me, they've probably heard this, but just for you guys who haven't heard it, my first experience with critical race theory intersectionality during Occupy was, if I agreed with them, they would recognize my mixed heritage.

00:19:46.000 If I disagreed with them, they would accuse me of being a wealthy white male.

00:19:50.000 Clearly, none of that was true, but it was just, if you disagree with us, you're a white man.

00:19:54.000 And then I'm like, well, my mom is actually, and I'm from the South Side, I'm poor, and they're like, oh, I'm so sorry, oh, you know?

00:20:00.000 So, just depending on- Even though none of your ideas changed.

00:20:03.000 It's just like, now they've reframed.

00:20:05.000 I was told explicitly that I needed to reconsider my opinions as a white man, and then when I explained, actually, I'm a high school dropout from the South Side of Chicago, and I'm from a mixed-race family, then all of a sudden, these white liberals went, oh.

00:20:16.000 Oh, now I see what you're saying.

00:20:18.000 Like, legit.

00:20:19.000 All of a sudden, now, it's like, oh, I'm like, the most disrespectful and insane thing I ever experienced.

00:20:24.000 I was like, what is this?

00:20:25.000 Like, do you have an actual argument?

00:20:27.000 Well, it's reductive, and that's the dehumanizing part.

00:20:30.000 It's reductive for the person who's on the receiving end of that, you know, to literally be told, you cannot speak on this topic because you are XYZ.

00:20:38.000 Like, you just don't even get a seat at the table.

00:20:39.000 But then it's, I think it's dehumanizing for the person who is holding the view.

00:20:42.000 And so, equally, equally, like, I'm concerned about, um, the people who are being treated this way and, you know, having their, their lives ruined because they're being canceled or whatever.

00:20:53.000 They're, they're going to lose their job.

00:20:55.000 They're going to be smeared and, you know, in all the newspapers and their, and their, you know, reputation is in shambles at the end of it.

00:21:02.000 And I'm concerned for them, but I'm also concerned for the people who have bought into it.

00:21:05.000 Because it's really a dangerous way to look at other human beings.

00:21:09.000 So after you start noticing this, this is critical gender theory stuff popping up.

00:21:13.000 Yeah.

00:21:14.000 You mentioned that they realized it wasn't working, so they changed their tactic or whatever.

00:21:18.000 So walk us through, what's the next thing that happens?

00:21:21.000 Well, actually, I really appreciate how you defined terms for us at the beginning and read that definition of critical theory.

00:21:26.000 That's super helpful.

00:21:28.000 And that's kind of the next tack we took was like, okay, it seems like we're talking two different languages.

00:21:32.000 Like, we're saying, no, we're doing justice.

00:21:36.000 Like, that's why we started this organization.

00:21:37.000 It's about justice.

00:21:38.000 It's about, you know, disparities in mental health care that, you know, most of the world that needs mental health care doesn't have the resources they need.

00:21:44.000 That's why this organization exists.

00:21:47.000 And you're telling us that we're not doing justice, so I think we need to define some terms, you know.

00:21:51.000 So we really started there.

00:21:52.000 I can't remember which the first one was that I did, but I just started cranking out organizational position papers that essentially defined terms.

00:22:00.000 And we, at that point, we had entered into like a formal series of, I don't know a better word for it than struggle sessions.

00:22:09.000 It was these all-org meetings with the board chair present, sometimes a third-party mediator present, Trying to just even figure out, like, what is needed?

00:22:18.000 Where is the harm?

00:22:19.000 You know, because there was all these accusations of this organization is causing harm.

00:22:22.000 There is harm.

00:22:23.000 But it was always in that kind of passive voice.

00:22:25.000 You know, like, it wasn't ever like, you harmed me when you said this.

00:22:28.000 It was always, there is harm.

00:22:29.000 There is harm.

00:22:31.000 Um, and so we were like, okay, first thing we need to define is psychological safety.

00:22:35.000 What does it mean?

00:22:36.000 Cause that, that term is being thrown around, you know, like psychological safety has been violated.

00:22:40.000 Um, I can't even trust, you know, I can't have a conversation with you, with your ideas or, or whatever the things you've said.

00:22:46.000 And it's like, okay, fine.

00:22:48.000 Let's look up what psychological safety actually is and define it.

00:22:51.000 And we defined it based on, um, the coddling of the American mind.

00:22:55.000 I don't know if you're familiar with that book, Jonathan Hyatt, Jonathan Hyatt and Greg Lukianoff.

00:23:00.000 So they really go into, like, the psychology behind what's sort of happening on university campuses right now, and now has, you know, like, overflowed into the whole culture.

00:23:10.000 And so I used a lot of the material from that book, and then Amy Edmondson is a professor at Harvard Business School who coined the term psychological safety, and I used a lot of her research.

00:23:20.000 And then I used some trauma-informed models of psychological safety, which is, you know, we do trauma work, so...

00:23:26.000 Very much all in alignment with each other.

00:23:28.000 So you've got this business school perspective, you've got these guys who wrote this book about the phenomenon in college campuses, and you've got these trauma-informed groups that basically teach about how to be safe when you're working with trauma survivors.

00:23:40.000 It's like a whole other level of safety, right?

00:23:43.000 And essentially what we saw is While these people were trying to be helpful to people who have been hurt, you know, it's like, yes, there's racism.

00:23:52.000 Yes, there is, you know, discrimination against people with different identities.

00:23:56.000 Totally agree.

00:23:57.000 But what you're doing when you say, like you said, if you don't speak, you know, this thing into the space, this person's going to be erased.

00:24:05.000 It's like, you're essentially saying that person has no agency. 0.94

00:24:07.000 They're the biggest wimp on the planet.

00:24:09.000 Have you seen the DSA meetings? 0.98

00:24:10.000 like validate them at every moment and affirm them and clap for them and do whatever they say.

00:24:14.000 They're going to fall apart and dissolve. Have you seen the DSA meetings, the viral videos?

00:24:18.000 No. So this is the Democratic Socialists of America.

00:24:23.000 These are a series of viral videos where... I wasn't there.

00:24:28.000 I can't tell you what the whole several hours looked like, but in the span of a few minutes, every time someone spoke, they offended someone.

00:24:34.000 And so... Oh, this is an old video.

00:24:37.000 I've seen this.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, a couple years ago.

00:24:38.000 Point of personal privilege, people.

00:24:38.000 It was like a year or two ago.

00:24:40.000 And the one guy says, guys, please, the chattering is giving me anxiety.

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:43.000 And then someone goes, don't say guys!

00:24:45.000 And then, I'm sorry.

00:24:46.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:24:47.000 But that's an extreme version of what, I mean... Right.

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 It's what happens when you take all of those people and put them in the same room together.

00:24:53.000 Well, yes, it's what, yeah, exactly.

00:24:56.000 When your sense of self is dependent on others validating you and others accommodating you, I think narcissism is a great word for it.

00:25:04.000 Entitlement is another great word for it.

00:25:06.000 And it's counterintuitive because it's like, yeah, if a person's been hurt a lot, there is a sense of like, we need to take care and we don't want to, you know, make them feel unsafe.

00:25:15.000 But also it's like counterintuitive in that this person probably actually needs to be pushed out of their comfort zone.

00:25:22.000 So you're having these company struggle sessions.

00:25:25.000 I mean, it doesn't sound to me like these people actually wanted to help anyone.

00:25:29.000 It sounded like they just wanted to have power and bully.

00:25:32.000 I wouldn't characterize them that way.

00:25:34.000 They're definitely geared towards helping people, but again, it's the strategies versus values.

00:25:42.000 You have to applaud them for living in integrity with the moral framework that they've adopted.

00:25:47.000 They truly believe this is how social justice is done.

00:25:50.000 and so they're carrying it out according to that that conception of reality that Marxian framework that you just read about where it says this constant like so so somebody's in power and the person who's marginalized or disenfranchised they have no say in the conversation so all the norms are just established by discourse there's nothing nothing actually objective see that's that's the real shift is it's not these these social categories of race and biological sex and gender identity and all these things those are really weapons towards what is actually under assault which is objective truth which is why this whole moral panic that you know that took place over the last whatever period of time are

00:26:32.000 I kind of think of it as an epistemological panic.

00:26:35.000 It's like it really it really disoriented people in terms of how they know how they can know whether something is helpful and true and just and then and then their methods of getting to how they know what they know also were under assault because science itself is under assault as a way to know.

00:26:51.000 If you understand their view that it's all about power dynamics, the ideology, the underlying moral framework held by critical theorists, and the expanding umbrella is there is no truth but power.

00:27:05.000 That's a core function of their belief.

00:27:07.000 It was one of the core tenets of fascists.

00:27:10.000 Right. So they're not ultra-nationalists, but they

00:27:12.000 hold that authoritarian worldview, which is why it may

00:27:14.000 be true that there are individuals who think they're

00:27:17.000 helping by doing it.

00:27:17.000 Yes. But certainly it is.

00:27:20.000 These are organizations and these are, you know,

00:27:23.000 corporations that are exploiting it for wealth.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:28.000 I think there are different, you know, varying degrees to which people understand what they're involved with, right?

00:27:33.000 I think there are certainly people who understand that this is a tool that can be used to radically transform our system of government and consolidate power.

00:27:41.000 And then, like I said, there are like the foot soldiers who are just doing what they're supposed to do within their moral framework, who really think that they're helping people.

00:27:49.000 They really see this as like, Oh my goodness, it's the critical consciousness, right?

00:27:52.000 That's the word that's used.

00:27:53.000 That's where the word woke comes from, is that your consciousness has finally been awakened to the reality of power and oppression, these structures of power and oppression that are everywhere, and you just didn't see them before.

00:28:02.000 So it's like their mandate now.

00:28:04.000 I mean, it's this conversion language, right?

00:28:06.000 It's like, I was blind, but now I see.

00:28:08.000 So it's like it's so I see this thing now and these these poor white straight cishet whatever people they don't see how they're oppressing and so if I if I care about the people who are being oppressed I have to help them understand how they're part of the oppression.

00:28:22.000 Just like when I hear from Christians who say, I don't want you to go to hell, so I have to tell you and teach you. 1.00

00:28:29.000 Exactly.

00:28:29.000 It's like, if that's my moral framework, I don't love you if I'm like, I think you're going to hell, but I don't care.

00:28:34.000 Good luck.

00:28:36.000 You know, some issues I'm having with it is, as you said, Ibram X. Kennedy said that denying racism or Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy.

00:28:45.000 That one of the aspects of racism is denying racism, but questioning something is not denying something.

00:28:52.000 That's very important to understand.

00:28:54.000 And also, questioning critical theory, for people to have an issue with that seems counterintuitive because the whole point of critical theory is to question power structures.

00:29:04.000 So it itself should be questioned.

00:29:05.000 That's why I don't say, you know, I hear, you'll hear from people like Christopher Ruffo, it's critical race theory.

00:29:11.000 Well, that completely excludes critical gender theory.

00:29:13.000 And that just excludes everything which is underneath the umbrella of critical theory in general.

00:29:18.000 Well, he's focusing specifically on critical race theory.

00:29:21.000 That's his mission.

00:29:23.000 But the terms are really sloppy.

00:29:23.000 So, yes.

00:29:25.000 Like, you'll hear people refer broadly to critical race theory when they mean critical theory.

00:29:30.000 And that's part of the problem.

00:29:31.000 But it's like, I think that's just the the nature of when a social philosophy or a critical theory makes it into the mainstream.

00:29:40.000 And it really just becomes more about the phraseology, the more than the philosophy.

00:29:43.000 So people know the jargon, and they know what you're supposed to do and what you're supposed to support and what you're not supposed to support.

00:29:48.000 They don't know the philosophy behind it.

00:29:49.000 I think it's another big mistake, because I'm seeing that it is a huge failure of the anti-woke to embrace critical theory as their target, because now what we see are the woke left saying, OK, name a critical theorist and give me the idea that you have a problem with.

00:30:06.000 And then what happens is they pull up specific quotes from like Ben Shapiro, where he'll read one quote and say, well, actually, I agree with that one.

00:30:13.000 The issue is that Critical theory isn't, as a whole, the real problem we're experiencing.

00:30:18.000 What we're experiencing is the fascistic ideology, there is no truth but power.

00:30:22.000 Which, in many ways, is rooted in critical theorists, in Frankfurt School, etc.

00:30:26.000 But it's well beyond any particular identity group, race, or gender.

00:30:32.000 It is just a group of people who will claim harm in any way, and exploit the system in any way.

00:30:39.000 And right now they've found an attack vector.

00:30:41.000 We as a society don't like racism.

00:30:43.000 We don't like bigotry.

00:30:45.000 We don't like discrimination.

00:30:47.000 They attack that by saying, you're being racist.

00:30:51.000 When you try and then ask them what that means, they'll give you a different definition each time.

00:30:55.000 Because it's not critical race theory.

00:30:57.000 It is just an authoritarian Authoritarian fascistic tactic towards gaining power.

00:31:03.000 Yeah, and it's incoherent and it's a double standard, but they are acting according to the theory which says everything is socially constructed.

00:31:13.000 So you can continue to reinterpret.

00:31:15.000 It's reinterpretations of reinterpretations of reinterpretations because there's nothing ultimately real.

00:31:19.000 It's postmodernism.

00:31:20.000 It's postmodern.

00:31:21.000 It's postmodern philosophy put into like a management theory for how to keep people in line.

00:31:28.000 It seems to me like it's what happens when you have no moral framework.

00:31:32.000 I suppose there is one.

00:31:33.000 There is no truth by power.

00:31:35.000 I think one of the things I've often talked about is the difference between the two factions in the culture war.

00:31:40.000 There's a lot of different definitions you'll get.

00:31:42.000 People will say libertarian versus authoritarian, globalist versus nationalist, left versus right, whatever.

00:31:46.000 I think one core separation may be Judeo-Christian moral framework versus absence of moral framework.

00:31:52.000 Just power dynamics.

00:31:54.000 And so, the example I give is Bill Maher, for instance, often talks about how you don't need religion to be moral.

00:32:00.000 However, he believes in many classically liberal principles which are founded in Judeo-Christian moral framework.

00:32:06.000 For instance, the example I often give, you know, ad nauseum to the audience who knows this already is the Fifth Amendment, a right to a speedy trial, innocent until proven guilty, the right to remain silent.

00:32:16.000 The core of Innocent Until Proven Guilty is Blackstone's formulation, which was inspired by the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, literally out of the Bible.

00:32:25.000 You take away these moral frameworks, Bill Maher, who was raised in a Judeo-Christian society, who understood these things but without the religion, doesn't understand how that framework forms society and what that means in terms of justice.

00:32:40.000 You now have an entirely new, purely secular religion, or whatever you want to call it, non-theistic religion, with no core moral framework other than the writings of critical theory and a bunch of other... I mean, there's other non-critical theorists who are included in their citations often, and the ideas they have is just get power by any means necessary.

00:33:02.000 Period.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, and I think it's a great point talking about the framework that's being replaced because I've also heard as you know, everyone's trying to figure out what do we do about this woke movement?

00:33:13.000 What do we do is just sort of like just get rid of it.

00:33:16.000 I'm like, that's not enough.

00:33:17.000 You need you need a positive moral vision to replace the moral vision that has become embraced by many people because I do agree that it has religious connotations.

00:33:27.000 It's a way of understanding yourself in relationship to the world and then acting out of what you believe in a morally integrated way.

00:33:37.000 And that's the definition of religion.

00:33:39.000 And so it's like, OK, so you can just say, let's just get rid of of all these,

00:33:42.000 you know, critical social justice people in the woke movement.

00:33:45.000 And that'll be good.

00:33:46.000 Like, no, because there's clearly like a hunger here for something.

00:33:50.000 Power, power. Yes.

00:33:52.000 I mean, but belonging and having a moral purpose that you can attach to clear aims.

00:33:58.000 So like that kind of teleological argument that is like there's something that we're aiming for, that society is aiming for, that each human being is made for.

00:34:07.000 Um, and so all of that is, is, is providing people with meaning and you see like very religious kind of activity coming out of this, you know, ritual and confession and conversion kind of, I mean, so it's like, you can't just replace that with nothing.

00:34:22.000 So let's, let's, let's, we'll, we'll, we'll go back to your company.

00:34:25.000 So you were having these struggle sessions, you decided to define these definitions.

00:34:28.000 Uh, what happened next?

00:34:31.000 Do you want to share anything? I'm enjoying this conversation. A breakthrough flew through the window.

00:34:36.000 Curtis was the happy philosopher over there.

00:34:38.000 Um Did you want to say? Well, I can step in just to say again

00:34:42.000 that I want to again dialogue, I appreciate being here with you guys because

00:34:47.000 Having rich dialogue where there's no victim villain narratives where you're honestly seeking the truth because

00:34:53.000 we're on the same team the human team Um, I'd love to just point out in as we describe this just

00:34:58.000 again that I love these people They're intelligent. They are caring they're living

00:35:03.000 consistently with their convictions and that's exactly how I want people to live

00:35:07.000 And so the process for us went from when we started, when we had to push pause and say, hey, okay, you know, in terms of gender pronouns, Can't we find a way in which everybody cannot have to violate their conscience and be able to be here together?

00:35:21.000 And the guidelines and the way in which we handle that would allow everybody to show up and learn and take advantage of that.

00:35:27.000 So in terms of when we did hit pause and then entering into those sessions, I mean, that we were trying to define terms.

00:35:34.000 We were trying to not just miss each other.

00:35:37.000 Same words, different dictionary, defining words.

00:35:40.000 And then also we started to define the process and we Look for tools.

00:35:44.000 So one tool that's great, which actually we haven't had a chance to properly embrace you guys in the Aloha spirit and give you some swag from our organization, but I tucked a book in there that was really helpful for us.

00:35:56.000 Our board chair, who actually does professional conflict mediation, he suggested a book called Crucial Conversations.

00:36:04.000 And so defining what is dialogue, how do we actually have conversations together where you can be communicating the same definitions of terms and you can hear each other, and actually it's kind of fun because they use the term that what you're doing in good dialogue is that you are filling the pool of the common understanding.

00:36:30.000 You want a deep pool of being informed.

00:36:33.000 So you're trying to make it a place where some people aren't just being a fire hydrant and just like overrunning the conversation and then other people are like shut off and not contributing to it.

00:36:41.000 You want everybody to relax and be able to contribute so that you've got a deep shared pool of meaning for you then to make informed decisions around.

00:36:49.000 So that's where we were trying to go to.

00:36:50.000 We basically said we need to do it.

00:36:52.000 We need to do this.

00:36:53.000 The communication hasn't been healthy because there are these narratives forming that like we're these oppressive people or somebody is oppressing and causing harm.

00:37:01.000 And there hasn't ever actually been a concrete accusation of harm.

00:37:05.000 So that's not psychologically safe.

00:37:06.000 Because then the person who's being accused is like, oh, how do I rectify it?

00:37:09.000 I don't know what I did.

00:37:11.000 And there's nothing concrete.

00:37:13.000 You know, you're not Telling me what I did.

00:37:15.000 What's actionable about that?

00:37:15.000 So how can I apologize?

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 Besides everybody being laden with the sense of like, I'm sorry, you're feeling hurt.

00:37:17.000 Right.

00:37:21.000 And I don't even know what I did.

00:37:22.000 Like, so that's something in terms of defining psychological safety and where not only the same definition of the term, but also processes where I love it that, you know, just having a term like a crucial conversation where emotions run high, where there's high stakes, it means something.

00:37:39.000 Um, it was very helpful for us to just say, Hey, we want that to become the norm in our culture, like at the organization that, um, when, when there is something that matters, you're not going to hide that and have sideline conversations with other people.

00:37:52.000 Um, if it's, you know, relative related to somebody, then they get to take part in that conversation.

00:37:57.000 And then it also set up a process, a framework by which you knew that if somebody approached you and said that I need to have a crucial conversation, there's, you know, that I think in the Chinese character for crisis is it's danger and opportunity.

00:38:12.000 And I think that applies in terms of these crucial conversations where it's like there's danger that something is at issue here, but there's an opportunity to deal with it as opposed to what was happening was there was a lot of conflict that was never brought to the surface, and then that wasn't able to be dealt with in a healthy way.

00:38:31.000 So those sessions were about us trying to adopt tools that will allow us to have this conversation properly.

00:38:40.000 And we did continue to dialogue.

00:38:43.000 People didn't leave immediately.

00:38:45.000 We got a chance to actually hear from everybody and fill that shared pool and then what I think brings us back to this conversation about critical theory and whatever we want to call what's going on right now that is that people started to leave the dialogue and and that was the question in terms of if it wasn't you wore them out they couldn't handle it they weren't gaining ground and they're like I'm out of here

00:39:11.000 To some degree, but it was, I mean, yeah, the experience that I had that was just, you know, disappointing.

00:39:18.000 In sticking to principles, until you can point out something that we actually concretely can change, then to me, we haven't done the work together.

00:39:27.000 So they never said, here's what I want you to do?

00:39:33.000 No, they did.

00:39:34.000 There were a lot of different points where open letters were written, for instance, with demands in them.

00:39:41.000 What were some of the demands?

00:39:44.000 Just all the stuff that you're hearing at all the companies, like we need to be more aware of diversity.

00:39:48.000 Maybe we need some outside training.

00:39:50.000 We need to be aware of other perspectives.

00:39:54.000 We need, you know, certain kinds of diversity on the governing board, this, that, and the other.

00:39:58.000 And so it's like, all of these things are great.

00:40:00.000 Like, we can, you know, none of this is something we're opposed to, but it's the manner in which you're approaching us that's completely unprofessional and inappropriate.

00:40:07.000 That you would go and, like, write this letter and then, like, present it at a board meeting?

00:40:11.000 Like, kind of guerrilla warfare style or something?

00:40:14.000 It's just like, this is not...

00:40:16.000 But so this is why I think, you know, it's clearly bad faith, in my opinion, from what I'm hearing, especially.

00:40:23.000 And it was an attempt to subvert and steal power.

00:40:26.000 And so that the tactics they use are meant to maximize damage to you while minimizing risk to themselves.

00:40:33.000 The general idea is They can cause you more harm by publicly just slapping you in the face without warning, putting you on the spot where you're forced to say, oh, okay, we'll do it.

00:40:44.000 Whereas if they go to you in private or with an email, then you can easily push back with minimum risk to yourself.

00:40:49.000 So presenting you an open letter at a meeting, yeah, common tactics, showing up with a protest.

00:40:54.000 I don't know if you guys experience any hard protests, but it's one of the things they'll do, because then these corporations are on the spot right now.

00:41:02.000 Will you say yes or no?

00:41:03.000 Do it or don't.

00:41:04.000 And the corporations panic and say, OK, you win.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:08.000 Because who wants to be the target of the next, you know, big thing in the media?

00:41:13.000 But you resisted.

00:41:14.000 You didn't give in to the demands.

00:41:15.000 Yeah, I mean, we had the advantages of being the co-founders of the organization and so having some authority instead of just maybe an employee who's seeing all of this happening.

00:41:24.000 And like, I don't want to be part of this.

00:41:26.000 But if I speak up, I'll lose my job.

00:41:29.000 And also just being, you know, a scrappier grassroots nonprofit organization.

00:41:33.000 We're not in the spotlight, necessarily.

00:41:36.000 You know, we have a lot of work that we're doing around the world, but I just think that it was worth it to us to really, like, lean into that conversation and try to understand the ideas and be really principled about our pushback to those ideas.

00:41:50.000 And we, while it was really draining organizationally, like we spent a lot of time on that process that could have been going towards the work that we're organized to do, it was worth it to be able to, in a principled way, say, we're not going to do these things and here's why.

00:42:08.000 That's, that's another, that's essentially the tactic.

00:42:11.000 They know that, you know, for a lot of companies, they might say, how, how much money is it going to cost to do all these trainings and keep having these meetings?

00:42:17.000 Oh, is it going to cost a hundred grand?

00:42:19.000 How much is it going to cost to just give them what they want?

00:42:21.000 10, 20?

00:42:21.000 Just do it.

00:42:22.000 Just hire somebody, just hire the diversity person, whatever.

00:42:25.000 And then we're done with this, right?

00:42:26.000 But that's a mistake.

00:42:27.000 Because then you're never done with it.

00:42:29.000 And the long-term effect is that now you live under it.

00:42:31.000 Yes, yeah, the appeasing strategy doesn't work.

00:42:34.000 And for me, it's again, I love these people, and over a number of years, I don't think, even in talking with them, when we started to identify some of the language, and we've asked them explicitly, do you, like, it seems like you might be adhering to some of these philosophies, is that the case?

00:42:49.000 They denied that, I don't, and I honestly think it was the truth, that they weren't aware of it, that it's something that they weren't taught, it was something that... Formally.

00:42:56.000 Yeah, and it's just something that was influencing their thinking, So my hope, too, wasn't just to try to, you know, hey, I think that my intuitive sense of this is correct, and let's get there as soon as possible.

00:43:06.000 It's like, if you want to treat people well and, you know, be the change you want to see in the world, I want to have conversations where you can actually look at the ideas, and at the end of the day, the best ideas would be the ones that influence your policies as an organization.

00:43:19.000 It wasn't just to try to hold out and make it annoying because, you know, outlast them.

00:43:25.000 It was really my hope was that people would come to see that, OK, we can have diversity, but we need to unify around what makes sense for the context of our organization.

00:43:36.000 And then also, again, following the logic of, you know, in terms of that one specific topic, can't there be a way in which somebody doesn't have to compromise their conscience and everybody can be in an educational space together?

00:43:50.000 Interesting, because, you know, it feels like a Chinese finger trip, right?

00:43:54.000 That most people's instinct would be to try and pull their fingers out as hard as possible, and you guys seem to have, like, leaned in and really made them explain themselves, and it got to a point where they just couldn't effectively do it.

00:44:04.000 You know, they talk about harm, but people are probably sitting around saying, I'm so sorry, tell us about your harm, and then they can't.

00:44:11.000 I met with every single one of them individually for as much time as they wanted to take because I genuinely cared.

00:44:16.000 I don't want to harm people.

00:44:17.000 And I, you know, and yeah, I'm sure that they had an experience.

00:44:21.000 That's the thing in trauma, too, that like it's not necessarily about the experience, but the meaning that you make of it, that it has an impact on you.

00:44:28.000 So it's even if it's something where it's like, OK, there's no policy or anything that I can necessarily fix or adjust.

00:44:35.000 I still just wanted to hear them out because they it was the experience they had is real and I care about them.

00:44:40.000 But yes, we did have, you know, the way that things went where we stuck to the ideas.

00:44:47.000 And then over time, too, more came out.

00:44:50.000 So, you know, when George Floyd happened, then that was another big blow up moment of people wanting to hashtag certain things and to advocate and to do things that were just out of the scope of what we considered within our mission.

00:45:01.000 We don't make meaning about individuals' trauma and we don't make meaning about societal trauma at large.

00:45:06.000 We show up and say, hey, we've got rigorously built tools to help people get through things, but we're not going to make meaning about what you're getting through.

00:45:14.000 That's just out of our lane.

00:45:15.000 We're not therapists.

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:17.000 And so anyways, there's some more, you know, just kind of dissatisfaction around that we weren't being more proactive about that in terms of either advocating using our social media or in terms of doing that work internally as an organization.

00:45:32.000 And so that was part of the story was was that it at that point, then people started to and I think this is kind of, you know, moving us forward in the conversation.

00:45:43.000 At a certain point, people were not interested in staying in the dialogue.

00:45:48.000 They weren't interested in looking at the best research that we could find around how to actually evaluate our policies.

00:45:54.000 And it got to a point where people decided to step away.

00:45:57.000 And what was unfortunate, and I think is also reflective of the Cultural moment we're in is that too often it switches from the ideas that you have being bad to you being bad.

00:46:08.000 And, and, uh, you know, and I, everybody's an individual and, um, people, when those that did leave the organization all left in their own way and experience, but we were called some names and, and it wasn't our ideas that were ultimately, um, you know, The most italicized comments, so.

00:46:31.000 It sounds like, though, you're just on the other side of the culture, Warno.

00:46:36.000 You could choose to agree with the woke people who are constantly pressuring you, but it sounds like you rejected it, and now you're having a conversation with those who are rejecting, you know, critical theory and the wokeness and all that.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, I mean, in thinking about why that Twitter thread that I posted ended up, you know, going as widely as it did and bringing a bunch of attention to me, it was that it was just, I mean, I was sad, honestly.

00:47:02.000 It was like, this should not be rare, you know, but I understand why it is because the pressure is so great.

00:47:07.000 And people don't want to see their organization, you know, sued, ruined, whatever, their reputation ruined.

00:47:13.000 And so, like you said, they'll appease, you know, like, okay, yeah, let's do the training.

00:47:16.000 It's no big deal.

00:47:17.000 Let's just do the training.

00:47:18.000 But what they don't realize, and like what to his point about, may the best idea win.

00:47:22.000 Sure, let's engage in dialogue.

00:47:23.000 Let's talk about your idea.

00:47:24.000 Let's talk about my idea and may the best idea win.

00:47:26.000 That, that is gone.

00:47:28.000 Because there is no, there's no more of this idea of antithesis, right?

00:47:33.000 Which is how philosophy was done forever, like from Aquinas up until Hegel was like, hey, I have an idea.

00:47:40.000 I like this idea.

00:47:41.000 Then the next I come along is like, no, I have an idea.

00:47:43.000 This is this is how we understand knowledge.

00:47:45.000 This is how we have a unified field of knowledge.

00:47:47.000 And he bumps that up against the last guy's idea.

00:47:49.000 And they're like, okay, this idea wins, and on and on and on until Hegel Where Hegel says, no, no, we, we, this rationalistic philosophy project has failed, like, we are never going to find unified field of knowledge, so now the best way forward is to take your thesis, your antithesis, and combine them into a synthesis.

00:48:08.000 But what he did in that is, he didn't just change, he didn't just go from that dude's philosophy to this dude's philosophy, he changed the whole rules of the game of philosophy, which was, He established a whole new kind of epistemology, basically saying, well, there isn't really an objective field of knowledge that we can ever find, so let's just do the best that we can to move things forward.

00:48:26.000 So it wasn't like, you know, where you have an idea and I have an idea, one of us is closer to the truth.

00:48:30.000 You know, we're gonna try to align with truth, not just like move the ratchet forward, you know?

00:48:36.000 And so he changed that understanding of epistemology.

00:48:39.000 He also changed the methodology by which we arrive at the right solutions.

00:48:44.000 So it's no longer like we're going to try our best to align ourselves with what's objectively real.

00:48:48.000 I had a conversation a long time ago with someone during the Occupy Wall Street era, who is a far-left, anti-fag, ultra-woke, very intelligent, totally educated in philosophy, who completely agreed with me on everything. 0.98

00:49:02.000 With one core difference.

00:49:04.000 She told me it's fun to watch the world burn.

00:49:07.000 So, while there are probably the grunts, the peons, the foot soldiers of You know, Critical Theory, who just abide by the tenets that they've been, you know, that have been espoused.

00:49:20.000 It seems like there is some truth in the idea of being woke.

00:49:24.000 Of truly understanding the nature of humans and the philosophy of, there is no truth but power.

00:49:30.000 Because it seems like, well, they're actually in a sense correct.

00:49:34.000 Of course there's objective truth, but they know that people will absolutely give up any notion of truth for comforting lies and or personal benefit.

00:49:42.000 And that's what they exploit.

00:49:44.000 In which case, I have this conversation with an individual, and we talk about general philosophy, morals, nihilism, solitism, etc., and what a person can know and what a person can do and why we do it.

00:49:57.000 And we ultimately come to this conclusion that, in the end, we're just kind of being hopeful that what we're doing is the right thing because we only know so much, right?

00:50:05.000 What is sanctuarism?

00:50:06.000 It's knowing that you know nothing.

00:50:07.000 And so my response was, in which case, I'll seek to do the most good.

00:50:13.000 I want people to feel better, to flourish, to live long, healthy lives, to be happy with their families, to be protected, safe.

00:50:20.000 Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

00:50:22.000 And that means sometimes there's harsh realities like personal responsibility.

00:50:25.000 You have to work hard and it might not be easy. 0.91

00:50:28.000 And she said, no, I just want to watch it all get screwed up and burned.

00:50:31.000 It's fun. 0.96

00:50:32.000 There's no point.

00:50:32.000 If there's no point, there's no end.

00:50:34.000 And everyone just chooses what they want to believe anyway.

00:50:37.000 Then let's have some fun with it.

00:50:38.000 And this person's extremely active today in far-left politics.

00:50:41.000 Yeah. 0.87

00:50:41.000 Writing books and holding rallies and And I know, when I see this person, their true intent is, I want people to smash and burn, because at least life isn't boring them. 0.87

00:50:52.000 Well again, she's acting in integrity with what she has decided is the moral framework of the universe.

00:50:58.000 So it's like, after Hegel, and one of my favorite philosophers, Francis Schaeffer, calls Hegel the line of despair.

00:51:03.000 So it's like, at Hegel, philosophy changed, and people gave up the project of Understanding truth objectively and it changed to kind of coping with this reality that the universe is absurd and that there is no meaning attached to our morality.

00:51:19.000 There's no meaning attached to our language.

00:51:20.000 There's no meaning attached to anything we do really.

00:51:23.000 Sad.

00:51:23.000 So yeah, it's very sad.

00:51:24.000 I mean it ends in nihilism and despair.

00:51:26.000 It has to.

00:51:27.000 Because once you remove meaning, you remove hope.

00:51:29.000 It's like, what's the point?

00:51:31.000 John Paul Sartre, for instance, not too long after Hegel, was like, this is where the trajectory naturally goes.

00:51:38.000 His whole thing was, we can't really ever know what's true, what's real, and if we experience something true and real, we wouldn't even be able to communicate it to someone else, or even to ourselves.

00:51:49.000 Therefore, the only way to authenticate your existence is by an action of the will.

00:51:54.000 But it's still completely disconnected from meaning.

00:51:56.000 And so Francis Schaeffer, in this book that I was reading recently, used the example of you're driving down the street in the rain, and you see somebody standing with an umbrella.

00:52:05.000 You stop, and you pick them up, and you give them a ride.

00:52:07.000 And you go on, and that was an act of the will that authenticated your existence.

00:52:12.000 But an equal act of the will that would authenticate your existence is you're driving in the rain, you see somebody with an umbrella, and you run them over.

00:52:18.000 equally authenticating.

00:52:20.000 So who cares?

00:52:21.000 You know, it's just like, and you're like, okay, if that's that's where we've arrived is like that there's nothing we can't attach meaning to morality.

00:52:28.000 We can't attach meaning to our words.

00:52:31.000 Then yeah, why not?

00:52:32.000 Like, so how do you like say, I should do these things, you know, because those are kind of shoulds, right?

00:52:37.000 I should, I want to be good.

00:52:39.000 I want to help.

00:52:40.000 I want to, you know, I have a unique moral framework based around entropy, negative entropy, and creation and protection.

00:52:48.000 So, I wonder.

00:52:50.000 You know, a lot of people believe that a society can't function without a religion.

00:52:54.000 Obviously, many people who are Christian or Jewish believe that the United States needs to maintain this Judeo-Christian moral framework.

00:53:03.000 I agree with them to a great extent.

00:53:05.000 But, you know, we've seen a society based heavily in the moral foundations of religion.

00:53:11.000 And if we went back 100 years, we'd not be happy with that.

00:53:14.000 There was a period where it weakened to a point where we had a lot more liberty than we'd ever had in the past.

00:53:19.000 I mean, I brought this up recently.

00:53:21.000 Constitutional carry of the Second Amendment is expanding across the country only the past 10 years.

00:53:25.000 In the 80s, we had a Second Amendment, but you had less gun rights.

00:53:28.000 Free speech as we know it didn't actually get solidified until, I think, until like 1961.

00:53:32.000 Because we had that ruling and it wasn't Brandenburg via Ohio or whatever which finally gave us true free speech as

00:53:37.000 we know it And there are still restrictions on our speech

00:53:40.000 So it's interesting me when I think about this that there are many people that they say red-pilled

00:53:45.000 And red-pilled is very much the alt the other side of being woke. It means essentially the same thing

00:53:51.000 Yeah, but if you look at the average woke person in the average red-pilled person, they actually aren't awakened 0.96

00:53:57.000 too much of anything They're just aligned with a political tribe as you move up

00:54:01.000 higher in the hierarchy. I suppose you'll find more and more

00:54:04.000 enlightenment my personal view of the politics right now from the high-profile political 0.97

00:54:10.000 actors is Is that on both sides you have a lot of high-profile dumb people who don't really know what they're talking about, don't know anything about existence philosophy, or they can't self-reflect, they probably don't meditate.

00:54:19.000 But then I think there's a lot of people who actually are truly awakened to something. 0.76

00:54:24.000 So not necessarily woke or red-pilled, but conscious of philosophy.

00:54:28.000 I do, however, think those that find themselves on the anti-woke side, when understanding philosophy, are good.

00:54:36.000 And generally speaking, those on the woke side are generally bad.

00:54:40.000 And the reason for this is that when I started, we had a really great discussion about religion several times, actually.

00:54:46.000 We always do these bonus segments.

00:54:47.000 They go for a really long time.

00:54:48.000 We talk about philosophy and religion.

00:54:49.000 I was talking about my moral foundations and, you know, why I choose to do the things that I do.

00:54:56.000 And it stemmed very simply in what life does.

00:54:59.000 And what life does is organize free energy into more complex systems.

00:55:05.000 The universe as we think we know it today, assuming we're correct, we're probably wrong, and it'll probably change in the future, is that we are looking at the blip just after the Big Bang, and the true state of the universe is the heat death of the universe, where there's just absolutely nothing.

00:55:17.000 Every electron evenly spaced so far away that they can never interact ever again.

00:55:21.000 We're in this period where entropy rules the day, and the universe is slowly dying out and spreading out.

00:55:27.000 And so in the meantime, there is some unique organization that is not a singularity that creates some kind of interesting things.

00:55:34.000 Free energy organizes itself into molecules, elements, eventually single-celled lifeforms.

00:55:41.000 Well, actually, first self-replicating proteins, then single-celled lifeforms, then multicellular lifeforms.

00:55:45.000 Then multicellular lifeforms grow to a point where they start interacting with each other, creating ecosystems.

00:55:49.000 The one thing that we can truly see life do is organize, create, or I shouldn't say create in the physical sense.

00:55:56.000 They're not making things, they're organizing and giving structure to things.

00:56:00.000 The woke are the opposite.

00:56:02.000 They're deconstructivists.

00:56:03.000 They want to take ideas and rip them apart.

00:56:05.000 They want to smash windows.

00:56:07.000 They want to go into organizations and break them apart.

00:56:10.000 I want to build things and make them better.

00:56:12.000 Get rid of the parts that are vestigial or broken and slowly improve upon society to the point where maybe we'll have a Star Trek-like future where we're in a spaceship and we can travel to stars and have replicators and people are much more happy and continue the process of Organizing the universe, as it were.

00:56:27.000 Woke tends to be a disorganizational and chaotic force.

00:56:31.000 That is a force of entropy.

00:56:33.000 Of course, a law of the universe, and the dominant one, which is a bit... It is a bit... Oh, now YouTube's gonna claim I swore.

00:56:40.000 It is a bit depressing, but when I look at that conversation I had with that woke activist who understood much of these ideas, they chose to be chaos and destruction.

00:56:51.000 I chose to be creation and order.

00:56:53.000 I view creation and order as good for very simple reasons.

00:56:57.000 Like I mentioned, we see life do this, but also, who wants to die?

00:57:03.000 Some people do for some reason, like their body is breaking down, the organization of their form no longer functions, and they're in pain or they're suffering or something is wrong.

00:57:11.000 But most people, and almost all life, one of the core aspects of life is the desire and the will to fight to live.

00:57:17.000 So when I see a chaotic destructive force breaking things, I see that as inherently bad, because it defies the function of what life does.

00:57:24.000 Right.

00:57:25.000 Not necessarily a, not at all, I think, a Christian framework in any capacity, but certainly much more in alignment with the structure of order, creation, and protection.

00:57:33.000 Sometimes you need destruction because too much creation can lead to cancer, too many cells producing, so you need cells to apoptosis and destroy themselves.

00:57:41.000 Sometimes you need like neutral, not creation or destruction, but a balance where the cell is just in, not stagnation, but in synthesis or in So there is like a neutral aspect to reality, I think, that we're missing.

00:57:56.000 I think it's my design, too.

00:57:58.000 You could theoretically argue that the critical theorists, the woke, are actually an extremely harsh version of order, where I recognize sometimes destruction is necessary if it serves the greater creation.

00:58:12.000 Unfortunately, it is as we believe it now.

00:58:15.000 In order for there to be negative entropy, there has to be greater entropy created along the way.

00:58:20.000 However, if you look at the woke and you look at authoritarianism, eventually, they are so rigid, it's like creating a giant tower that goes up in a straight vertical line, it collapses.

00:58:30.000 So in the short term, you may say, if the woke had their way, they would create a rigid power structure, which is very orderly.

00:58:36.000 Those who take the power are in charge, and they can control systems that way.

00:58:40.000 Obviously, the communists in the Soviet Union had structure and order, but it was so rigid and it was so straight up that eventually you knock out one block and the whole thing falls down.

00:58:51.000 So you need a robust structure.

00:58:53.000 Ultimately, I view woke, left, communists, socialists, et cetera, in the long term, as a destructive path.

00:58:59.000 It's like watching someone build a bridge to nowhere, where eventually it just crumbles and falls to the ground, and it's destruction.

00:59:05.000 And they're actively fighting against us who are trying to build, improve, and... So they're creating a system that's susceptible to destruction because it's brittle from its extension.

00:59:15.000 But it does destroy.

00:59:16.000 As a result, a falling bridge will destroy that which it lands upon.

00:59:20.000 Sure.

00:59:21.000 They also are actively stripping organizations and structures to build their broken system, which is why I view it more like an... What's the right way to put it?

00:59:33.000 They're people who are taking resources and building something nonsensical that will eventually destroy the system.

00:59:40.000 Parasitic.

00:59:42.000 Call it what you want.

00:59:42.000 Whatever.

00:59:44.000 I think that Jordan Peterson has definitely spoken to this because he talks about the negative ramifications of having too much order and the negative ramifications of having too much chaos.

00:59:53.000 So when you get to the level of authoritarianism, you have too much order.

00:59:58.000 But when you get to the level of postmodernism, when you can't even agree on the definition of the word that you're using to discuss these ideas, that is too much chaos.

01:00:06.000 So as far as I'm concerned... Fire.

01:00:07.000 What?

01:00:08.000 Yeah, it's fire.

01:00:08.000 Fire?

01:00:09.000 Oh, how so?

01:00:11.000 It's consuming resources and converting them into- Oh, okay, okay.

01:00:11.000 It's fire.

01:00:14.000 So not parasitic.

01:00:15.000 It's like burning.

01:00:16.000 Okay.

01:00:16.000 But yeah, so like these ideas are so disorganized and unstructured.

01:00:21.000 This is the negative manifestation of chaos and the negative manifestation of order, both wrapped into this nice little package of wokeness, this critical theory.

01:00:31.000 And I'm not sure what their end goal is here, but it's just- Hear me out about this theory.

01:00:36.000 Let me just think.

01:00:37.000 I think that religion and God worked for a long time, but now it's to the point where it doesn't make sense to a lot of people.

01:00:43.000 It's hard to measure.

01:00:44.000 We can't really measure it.

01:00:45.000 So people are looking for a unifying theory.

01:00:48.000 I think collective consciousness is real, but we don't have the tools to measure it yet.

01:00:53.000 By design, because we're still in the age of combustion.

01:00:55.000 So these people that have kept us on copper and oil have inadvertently disallowed us to measure femtosecond vibrations of plasma fields.

01:01:05.000 So we can't see our magnetic fields interacting.

01:01:07.000 We don't have the tools to measure it yet.

01:01:09.000 How do you know about that?

01:01:11.000 Well, if you study like research, yeah, you can study like vibrations of surface plasma And you can see light interacting with plasma and like that seems like consciousness.

01:01:20.000 No one's stopping you.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, but it's not mainstream and that's a problem because it could have been in the 30s when Tesla was working on it, but the the oil companies in the copper you're You're blaming someone else for what you should be doing I think the unexpected result is this uprising of a new religion, because we've suppressed what is actually real.

01:01:42.000 I don't know what's actually real, other than what we think we know as humans.

01:01:42.000 I disagree.

01:01:47.000 I love this story about what humans used to think the brain was made of, based on the current science of the time, like steam pressure.

01:01:53.000 Now we believe brains are more like computers, because we've invented computers.

01:01:56.000 Maybe we're getting closer, maybe we're not.

01:01:58.000 Maybe eventually we'll think it's magnetic plasma or something.

01:02:01.000 But we're seeing the rise of a religion because they were raised without that religion.

01:02:07.000 They were raised without that moral framework, and they're actively being converted.

01:02:11.000 I look at, you know, I think maybe a really good way to explain it is a prion disease, or prion, however you pronounce it.

01:02:16.000 Are you familiar with what that is?

01:02:17.000 Prion, yeah.

01:02:18.000 Yeah, prion disease. 0.82

01:02:19.000 So basically, we have a structure of self-replicating proteins that is our system, and woke are malformed proteins that when they come into contact with healthy proteins, malform them.

01:02:31.000 These proteins can't work in the body and eventually lead to the body's death and destruction.

01:02:35.000 So I think, what was it, mad cow disease?

01:02:37.000 Was that a brain disease?

01:02:38.000 Yep.

01:02:39.000 Eventually your brain stops working and then you die because the proteins aren't connecting anymore properly.

01:02:45.000 So malfunction.

01:02:46.000 Let's get to that.

01:02:47.000 What is malfunctioning?

01:02:48.000 Because I mean, that's something in terms of getting back to Hegel and just is there objective truth or not?

01:02:54.000 And for people to be making objective truth statements that It's contradictory for you to say there's no such thing as absolutes, but that in and of itself is an absolute statement.

01:03:04.000 Right.

01:03:05.000 So I think that, again, we find ourselves, you know, I like the movie, As a Surfer, 180 Degrees South, where the Patagonia founders that are into surfing and climbing and all that, they at one point in the movie say that, you know, you want to be progressive?

01:03:19.000 Well, at some point, if you're going in the wrong way, it's progressive to turn around and go 180 degrees the other direction.

01:03:25.000 And I think in terms of our ability as a civilization, I like how Oz Guinness calls we're living in a cut flower society, where we're enjoying so much of the fruits of Western civilization and a lot of ideas that come from Athens, that come from Greece.

01:03:37.000 People for thousands of years have been developing ways to reason, you know, empiricism, the scientific method.

01:03:44.000 So we see a lot of yard signs in Seattle that say science is real.

01:03:48.000 Okay, what is science?

01:03:49.000 And what is real science?

01:03:50.000 How do we actually do that?

01:03:52.000 And in our case, you know, in terms of applying to all these issues, just trying to think clearly

01:03:57.000 and think well about, in our case, how do you do mental health work, but even these bigger

01:04:03.000 questions of what's true. I liked I heard one you were talking about how

01:04:07.000 there was something about where like, I don't know if it was a proton or electron that was orbiting

01:04:13.000 a vacuum.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, so it was trapped in a circuit with no nucleus, and it exhibited the chemical properties of what it normally would with a single electron in orbit.

01:04:25.000 And when they injected more electrons into it, it exhibited the chemical properties of the appropriate atom with no nucleus.

01:04:31.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 So that's, I mean, that's, it seems like that's kind of what's going on right now is that as Grace was saying earlier, that, you know, you can't just remove this particular project without being clear on what you're going to put in its place.

01:04:43.000 And I would just hope that we can just take a deep breath.

01:04:47.000 And look at some of the skills that our brothers and sisters have developed over a long period of time in terms of just doing dialogue better, doing science better, because that's something we've seen.

01:04:56.000 The American Psychological Association and others are out of their lane.

01:05:00.000 They're dealing with things that are philosophical, ontological, that are not empirical, and that are... that's messing things up.

01:05:07.000 And we just need some honesty and some carefulness around the way that we approach things.

01:05:12.000 And I'd love to, you know, continue conversations around things like, you know, what really is at the root of these questions of what is true.

01:05:21.000 But I think that, you know, fundamentally, we all share the values of wanting to love people.

01:05:26.000 And in our case, we've just seen in a particular way in which loving people depends on truth.

01:05:33.000 Right.

01:05:34.000 And that matters, you know.

01:05:36.000 Yeah, you know, a lot of what we see with the woke is comforting lies.

01:05:40.000 They'll tell you something that'll make you feel good, but will destroy everything.

01:05:43.000 And maybe it's a lack of, I guess, foresight, a lack of perspective or vision or understanding.

01:05:51.000 I'll give you a really simple and physical example, real world example.

01:05:57.000 Someone posted on Facebook earlier about gun control.

01:06:01.000 No one's gonna take away your guns, blah blah blah.

01:06:03.000 And I was like, here's a list of the guns of mine that are already being banned.

01:06:06.000 Like, they're already banned in most places.

01:06:08.000 And then they just come out with memes.

01:06:11.000 Like, their knowledge is based on memes.

01:06:12.000 They think they're helping, but they're angry.

01:06:15.000 There was no conversation.

01:06:16.000 I can tell you outright.

01:06:18.000 M1A.

01:06:19.000 Why?

01:06:19.000 Banned.

01:06:19.000 Maryland.

01:06:20.000 Well, they already took my gun away.

01:06:22.000 You can't have it here in Maryland.

01:06:23.000 There are people who genuinely believe false things and because of that want to build in the wrong direction, which would ultimately cause pain and suffering to a lot of people.

01:06:32.000 But when you're arrogant and you just, I guess, egotistical, maybe a lack of true philosophical understanding, you're willing to burn down the entire system for the sake of claiming you are right.

01:06:44.000 It's a problem humans have, I suppose.

01:06:46.000 I think a lot of critical theorists disagree with the scientific method, have issues with it.

01:06:50.000 And something about that that's interesting.

01:06:52.000 They call it the scientific method, but it's just one aspect of science.

01:06:56.000 You could call it the floorbow method.

01:06:58.000 You could call it like dark method or whatever.

01:07:00.000 It's a method of measuring something over and over and over again to make sure that it continues to happen.

01:07:05.000 And then you can say, okay, fine, that is real.

01:07:08.000 And if it doesn't happen over and over again, then you say it's not real.

01:07:12.000 But a problem with reality is sometimes things happen and they don't happen over and over again because they're happening for reasons we don't understand or can't measure.

01:07:18.000 And so the scientific method is flawed.

01:07:20.000 And it's saying people are taking issue with that.

01:07:23.000 They just don't have another type of science yet to explain why Someone might be born with male genitalia but feel like their gender is female.

01:07:34.000 It's flawed in the sense that we're imperfect, but the fact that you recognize it's flawed and science recognizes its limitations means it serves its purpose.

01:07:42.000 Humility.

01:07:43.000 Yeah, it's epistemic humility.

01:07:44.000 It's not arrogance.

01:07:45.000 It's not, you may not challenge.

01:07:46.000 It's like, please keep challenging.

01:07:48.000 It's quite simple. 0.93

01:07:51.000 Those who are smart are so full of doubt, and the ignorant are so sure of themselves. 0.75

01:07:51.000 What's the saying? 0.75

01:07:57.000 Something like that.

01:07:58.000 Who wrote that?

01:08:01.000 But that's the issue, is that I can simply say, when it comes to issues of universal healthcare versus private healthcare, well, I don't know.

01:08:09.000 I'd love to look over the data and figure out a plan to move forward.

01:08:09.000 I don't have all the answers.

01:08:12.000 But then you end up with zealots who say, the answer is clearly one.

01:08:15.000 Done.

01:08:16.000 If you don't want it, you're bad and I will fight you.

01:08:18.000 So that was Bertrand Russell. 0.98

01:08:19.000 He said, the whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts. 0.96

01:08:27.000 A hundred percent. 0.97

01:08:27.000 Like the wiser you get, the more you're like, Oh, I'm probably not right. 0.97

01:08:31.000 Call me on this.

01:08:32.000 Yeah.

01:08:32.000 The people, uh, I look at it this way.

01:08:34.000 You've got five doors in front of you.

01:08:37.000 Four of them lead to sweet, sweet freedom.

01:08:39.000 One of them leads to a lion cage.

01:08:41.000 Well, I feel the door, give a little knock, then I'm finally on door number four, I hear a RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I look down, look under the crack of the door, I see some light, and I'm like, I think that one's the door to freedom.

01:09:02.000 I don't know for sure, but let's take a peek.

01:09:04.000 I open it, I see sunlight, I say, alright, it's my best guess.

01:09:07.000 Makes sense.

01:09:07.000 I gathered evidence, and I moved quickly, and then I bring the people behind me with me to freedom.

01:09:12.000 But too many people are like, I don't care, door number one!

01:09:14.000 You know, my politician said door number one is the right door, and they open it and a lion jumps out.

01:09:20.000 Then they claim, it's your fault!

01:09:22.000 See, the system is broken, there's lions in this room.

01:09:24.000 Well, you let the lion in.

01:09:27.000 So I think what we're getting to, though, is so rationalism has clearly failed.

01:09:33.000 You know, like we can't we can't just with our brains and which are with our senses completely comprehend reality.

01:09:39.000 And then I think empiricism also has its limits.

01:09:41.000 Right.

01:09:42.000 Because empiricism can only still observe what exists in the natural realm.

01:09:47.000 And then we have all this other knowledge that is true as a part of us, like the transcendent, like why Do we love what is beautiful?

01:09:55.000 Why do we want what is good?

01:09:57.000 Why do we seek the truth?

01:09:58.000 And all like science doesn't talk about that.

01:10:01.000 So these are like the ultimate things that everyone is answering.

01:10:04.000 And everyone has arrived at, even if it's just sort of an agnostic, I don't know, no one knows, like that is still the framework out of which you're operating.

01:10:12.000 And so what I see happening also with this critical social justice movement is that they've actually arrived at a transcendent version of science.

01:10:20.000 They're saying that the, you know, the classic, you know, textbook definition of science didn't- isn't good because there's all these other knowledges, and they use that word knowledges plural, that we need to be observing.

01:10:33.000 We need- we need to be carefully, you know, listening to because those views have been pushed out to the margins.

01:10:39.000 And in a way, I'm like, I think you're right.

01:10:41.000 And it's not- it's not that people's individual kind of standpoint epistemology is- is Going to get us to all the answers, you know, that that's that's a fallacious way of thinking.

01:10:50.000 But there is the sense in which we need something that also transcends the empirical, like rationalism and enough is not enough.

01:10:57.000 Empiricism is not enough.

01:10:58.000 There's more knowledge that is so true to reality and to our understanding of ourself in reality that science doesn't touch.

01:11:05.000 This is why I say I don't think that the left, the woke, are acting in any sense of good faith.

01:11:11.000 I was watching a documentary about air conditioning and they said that, or I think it was about skyscrapers, we couldn't build above like eight stories because the accumulation of heat as it rose made the upper floors unbearable.

01:11:22.000 Until we invented window unit air conditioners.

01:11:26.000 Then we put them in the windows and we could filter the heat out of the building and keep the building cool, then we could start building higher and higher and higher.

01:11:33.000 And then they mentioned that there were actually ancient tribes that already understood the principle of pulling heat from the bottom and pushing it out the sides, so that the upper levels of their structures could be warmer, or they could remove the heat from the building to keep their huts cooler.

01:11:49.000 And these tribes learned how to do it by watching ants.

01:11:52.000 There are anthills in, I think it's in Africa somewhere, where they grow these big towers that pull heat out of the ant colony and then funnel them out in different directions.

01:12:03.000 Understanding that principle by watching nature, these ancient tribes were able to build and utilize it to keep their houses cool.

01:12:10.000 And we, as Euro-centric settlers in the United States, didn't understand that technology.

01:12:16.000 So now we're actually building skyscrapers that follow more of these principles, because it's very, very energy effective and allows us to build without needing massive amounts of air conditioning.

01:12:24.000 You still gotta pump water and air up and stuff like that.

01:12:26.000 So, I see that and I say, that's true! 0.97

01:12:29.000 It's very obvious that if we paid more attention to other cultures' developments, that's why the actual diversity, in the true sense, is good.

01:12:37.000 This is diversity of worldview.

01:12:39.000 That's not what we're getting from the diversity, inclusivity, and equity crowd.

01:12:43.000 They're looking for homogeneity.

01:12:44.000 They want everyone to conform to one way of thinking, which is anti-objective.

01:12:50.000 No, no, we're looking for objective truth.

01:12:52.000 We have blind spots.

01:12:53.000 We find better technology.

01:12:55.000 People often look at, like, how did they move these big stones to build these pyramids?

01:12:58.000 They couldn't have done it without a machine.

01:13:00.000 And then some guy is like, actually, you can use some wood.

01:13:03.000 There's a really amazing video where this guy moved a two-ton slab by hammering wood under it digging a hole and then teetering it back and forth until it flipped and he's like and you just got to keep doing it and you can move using its own weight and counterbalance and he was like so you don't need gigantic machines to do it there's also another video with like how did the how did they split these rocks so perfectly and then a guy just like takes a an axe and he hits it along the edge and then the rock just splits it's like there are techniques that we might not know about or how about

01:13:33.000 Didn't ancient Greece or Rome have cement that could dry underwater?

01:13:37.000 And we're still like, man, how do they do that?

01:13:40.000 But we understand that.

01:13:42.000 So what happens is they exploit that.

01:13:44.000 To the layman, they hear this idea.

01:13:46.000 Did you know that these ancient tribes already knew how to do this?

01:13:50.000 Man, if only the white man paid attention.

01:13:53.000 And from that, they go, yeah, why don't we do that?

01:13:57.000 Exploit that problem that is plainly visible, and then give them a solution.

01:14:01.000 And they believe it. 0.98

01:14:02.000 Well, it's because white people are racist, and they disregard the true discoveries of other cultures. 0.99

01:14:07.000 Wow! 0.99

01:14:08.000 And now they believe it.

01:14:09.000 Now you've indoctrinated, and you begin converting that protein into a malformed protein where they no longer believe science is real.

01:14:16.000 But I tell you this, if people live in a broken world where there's no truth, they're extremely easy to control.

01:14:20.000 And that's probably the end goal, in my opinion.

01:14:23.000 A group of subservient individuals who will give you what you want and you can exploit them. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Right. 1.00

01:14:28.000 No, that's why I think of it as management theory.

01:14:31.000 It's really pretty crass, you know, it's it's not it, you know, whereas most frameworks by which we would have a conception of reality are about establishing sort of a meta-narrative, right?

01:14:41.000 Like, okay, who are you?

01:14:43.000 What is the world?

01:14:44.000 How do you relate to the world?

01:14:45.000 How do you relate to other people?

01:14:48.000 This one is really just about managing people.

01:14:50.000 It's about managing people into categories by which we can easily identify each other and about having people mistrust whether they can really know or how they know.

01:15:00.000 So that the knowledge is really coming from a Gnostic place.

01:15:04.000 It's reserved to a few on any given topic.

01:15:07.000 It's amazing.

01:15:08.000 I was thinking the metaphor of if you're playing a video game and you have a multitude of characters to choose from.

01:15:14.000 You have an archer, you have a rogue, you have a warrior.

01:15:16.000 And you get to pick your party of four people.

01:15:19.000 These critical theorists will pick four archers, because that's what they want. 0.72

01:15:25.000 They want people that believe the same thing and act the same way.

01:15:27.000 But then they'll get skins, just like cosmetic skins of difference.

01:15:30.000 They'll have one archer will look like a woman, one archer will look like a black guy, one archer will look like a white guy, and then... But the problem is, it's not real diversity.

01:15:40.000 They look different, but it's four archers.

01:15:43.000 You need different people with different worldviews.

01:15:47.000 And that's a very different type of diversity.

01:15:49.000 Dude, dude, dude.

01:15:50.000 Ranged DPS?

01:15:51.000 You're seriously gonna go on a raid with nothing but ranged DPS?

01:15:52.000 You gotta have a tank and a healer at the start, and then you can talk about which ranged DPS you're going for.

01:15:58.000 Who cares what they look like?

01:16:00.000 Wear whatever skin you wanna wear.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, most people want, like, the legit armor set, but, you know, endgame characters end up looking really funky because the best armors don't usually go together.

01:16:09.000 Though I think, you know, a lot of games started making that better.

01:16:11.000 Like, okay, fine, the tier 3 endgame armor is gonna be better.

01:16:15.000 So, look, if you want to go on a raid and you want to have, like, a mage, you know, he's a little squishy, but he's got some good ranged DPS.

01:16:22.000 And then you want to get a hunter because he's got the pet.

01:16:23.000 You know, you can't just go in with five tanks.

01:16:27.000 Although I've seen videos of people trying to do it.

01:16:29.000 And it's hilarious.

01:16:30.000 It is.

01:16:30.000 And that's like Critical Theory, man.

01:16:32.000 You need a healer.

01:16:33.000 No, exactly.

01:16:34.000 They're claiming it's diversity because it's like, well, we've got a rogue who's specced for stealth.

01:16:39.000 We've got a rogue who's specced for combat.

01:16:40.000 It's like, no, no, no.

01:16:41.000 Well, it's cosmetic.

01:16:41.000 This rogue has a black skin, this rogue is a female, this rogue has white-yellow hair, and they consider that diversity, but you can't win with four rogues.

01:16:50.000 That's a really good idea for a video we should make, where we go on a World of Warcraft dungeon, and we just have, like, a white rogue, a black rogue, a lady rogue, an elf rogue, you know, whatever, and we're like, we've got five different races of rogue, we're gonna go in and beat the boss.

01:17:04.000 A truly diverse party of rogues.

01:17:07.000 I mean, if you're really strong, you can do it, but...

01:17:10.000 Maybe, but it's not optimal.

01:17:11.000 That's the point, is you need true diversity.

01:17:13.000 It doesn't matter what skin. 0.62

01:17:14.000 They can all be skinned to look like a black woman. 1.00

01:17:17.000 But if you have a warrior, a rogue, a wizard, you're going to have a much more balanced party. 0.86

01:17:21.000 And the cosmetics is irrelevant.

01:17:24.000 But to these people, it's not necessarily.

01:17:26.000 That's the problem.

01:17:27.000 I wonder if people watching all in their entirety completely understood all those references.

01:17:32.000 No way.

01:17:32.000 God, I hope so.

01:17:33.000 They were all like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, I'm a little lost.

01:17:37.000 Yeah.

01:17:38.000 So in most RPG, MMO games, I'm mostly referring to World of Warcraft, you have a team of five people, and they're a tank.

01:17:48.000 It's a reference to a character that can take a lot of damage.

01:17:51.000 They don't give a lot of damage.

01:17:53.000 A healer, that one's obvious.

01:17:54.000 And then DPS means damage per second, so you have people who can fire arrows or magic spells, and then you have rogues in Warcraft who are up close slicing and dicing and stuff.

01:18:05.000 If you want to win, almost every single normal run will be, we need a diverse team.

01:18:11.000 Right.

01:18:12.000 We need these different kinds of characters.

01:18:14.000 Diverse in capacity.

01:18:16.000 In function.

01:18:16.000 In function, yep.

01:18:18.000 Instead, Ian makes a really good point that would be hilarious to watch, like five priests trying to, you know, win a dungeon, and it's like, well, like, priests can do damage if they're spect shadow, but...

01:18:29.000 You're not going to have it.

01:18:30.000 Like, it's not going to work all that well.

01:18:33.000 It's interesting.

01:18:34.000 Games are designed this way to require diversity of player function.

01:18:38.000 Interesting.

01:18:38.000 Welcome to the real world.

01:18:38.000 Yeah.

01:18:40.000 The real world is similar.

01:18:42.000 Like, art imitates life.

01:18:43.000 It's true.

01:18:44.000 Well, remember, Nicole Hannah-Jones talking about how you can be politically black and you can be politically white, even though you're actually black. 0.95

01:18:53.000 This kind of superficial... Well, no, that's in critical theory.

01:18:57.000 All identities are politicized.

01:18:59.000 Your identity is only your political identity, which is why they could treat you one way

01:19:04.000 with thinking of you as a white man and one way thinking of you as a mixed man.

01:19:07.000 I do have to counter that point though, Ian.

01:19:10.000 Ah, yes.

01:19:11.000 World of Warcraft has racial abilities.

01:19:13.000 Tell me more.

01:19:14.000 Oh, you're right.

01:19:14.000 Different races have different abilities.

01:19:16.000 So Void Elf, they can teleport. 0.99

01:19:19.000 So you can have five rogues of different races with different abilities.

01:19:22.000 You're still not going to win.

01:19:23.000 That's metadiversity.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, you're still not going to win.

01:19:25.000 I mean, you can try, but I think if you had a team of five paladins, though, you could, because they're healers, tanks, and DPS.

01:19:31.000 I feel excluded from this hegemonic discourse.

01:19:34.000 I feel discriminated against, for sure.

01:19:36.000 You haven't played a lot of Warcraft?

01:19:38.000 No.

01:19:39.000 My brother did, my brother did quite a bit.

01:19:41.000 Dungeons and Dragons and all that stuff.

01:19:43.000 So that would be like, what country are you from, but where were your ancestors from?

01:19:47.000 Like depending on where your ancestors were from would be a racial ability, but where you're from is like what class you were.

01:19:53.000 I'm done with this metaphor.

01:19:55.000 It's fun.

01:19:56.000 I can't contribute anything.

01:19:57.000 Yeah, I got nothing.

01:19:58.000 Well, so I guess, uh, man, just what's the final final leg of the story?

01:20:03.000 You guys got a bunch of, you know, anti-woke, anti-SJW fat dudes in fedoras with katanas to like storm into the building and the big fat feminists were chased out or what? 1.00

01:20:16.000 No, we were, we love all those people.

01:20:20.000 We were just, yeah, we wanted to continue having the conversation as long as conversation was possible.

01:20:27.000 And there came a point at which each of the people who left, left on moral grounds, saying that they they wouldn't want to be a part of an organization that is white supremacist, for instance.

01:20:39.000 So yeah, it was just sort of like, okay, that's, you know, you're, you're living according to your moral beliefs and we disagree with you.

01:20:46.000 You have these deeply held commitments, convictions, whatever you want to call it.

01:20:50.000 And, um, yeah.

01:20:53.000 I think it, you know, I, I just think it took you guys longer than it would take me, you know, like I, but I get it.

01:20:59.000 And, um, if it were me and I was running an organization and someone, you know, put on an open letter, I'd be like, bro, doors right there.

01:21:06.000 Like no beef.

01:21:06.000 Like, you don't.

01:21:08.000 You got no obligation.

01:21:08.000 I got no obligation.

01:21:09.000 Well, here's here's where it's tricky because employers know that employees who are oriented towards this ideology will turn that into an attack on the organization if there's any sense of I was wrongfully terminated or I was I was shoved out because of my beliefs, you know, so I Honestly, I think the principled approach that we took is the only approach if you don't want your organization if you don't want to I disagree a pyrrhic victory for instance, there's like okay you won but like now you're in litigation if if If if I'd an employee say that they wanted everyone to name their gender pronouns I would pull them aside and say I cannot allow you to be homophobic or transphobic and force people to out themselves and

01:21:54.000 That's kind of what we said.

01:21:55.000 You need, yeah, you can't.

01:21:56.000 And if you do that again, then I'm going to have to ask you to leave for, you know, discrimination.

01:22:01.000 No, and we did it with research.

01:22:02.000 We said, hey, look, here's what the actual research says.

01:22:05.000 I put together like a 14 page paper on gender identity.

01:22:09.000 And it was all the research like cited throughout the paper, like actual peer reviewed, you know, controlled, real research.

01:22:18.000 And it was basically like, hey, this is actually not best practice.

01:22:23.000 This can be damaging to people in dysphoric conditions to be asked to name their gender identity into a space full of strangers, by the way.

01:22:31.000 And so what was really disheartening, though, is because this has more of a religious nature to it, that this person is like, That's all good.

01:22:39.000 These are probably a bunch of studies written by white guys anyway.

01:22:42.000 They don't understand.

01:22:43.000 I'm the one with a critical consciousness, and I'm an ally for these people.

01:22:47.000 It's my job to make sure they're not harmed, and I can see you have no interest in understanding things from their perspective.

01:22:53.000 Therefore, you are transphobic.

01:22:55.000 I still have my deeply held convictions, and I'm going to act on those.

01:22:58.000 And so at that point, you're like, we're really at an impasse, you know?

01:23:02.000 But that's what happens when you erode the foundations of how do we arrive at what is true.

01:23:07.000 Normally, we've had our scientific method, right?

01:23:09.000 It's like, I'm showing you all the studies.

01:23:10.000 I'm showing you what they say.

01:23:11.000 This is the best research we have to date.

01:23:13.000 And that is irrelevant.

01:23:15.000 This is the the pitfall of true liberalism.

01:23:18.000 Yep.

01:23:19.000 When we say you can't discriminate on the basis of race, gender, national origin, religion, okay, now define discriminate. 0.67

01:23:26.000 So I was I mentioned this in a segment a couple days ago about Coca-Cola doing these woke trainings.

01:23:32.000 And I was like, they want to have these trainings where they start talking about whiteness.

01:23:37.000 All right?

01:23:37.000 If I were there, I would immediately file a complaint saying they're trying to have a white supremacist meeting.

01:23:42.000 How do you define white supremacists?

01:23:44.000 Well, it doesn't matter.

01:23:45.000 So my argument would be to make minority individuals go into a room to be taught about white people is discriminatory because they don't have meetings about black people or Asian people, only white people.

01:23:57.000 So I told them that, you know, it's racist.

01:23:59.000 I would, I would say absolutely none of that.

01:24:01.000 If they said, we want to do pronouns, I would say this is harassment of the LGBTQ employees who don't want to out themselves.

01:24:09.000 And if you bring it up again, you're gone.

01:24:12.000 People don't do this.

01:24:13.000 Only the woke do this. 0.98

01:24:15.000 So long as only the woke are exploiting that system, it will go in their direction. 0.96

01:24:19.000 But like I said, it's a problem of liberalism in that We created the Civil Rights Act to protect people.

01:24:25.000 From there, there is just... It is a sieve.

01:24:29.000 It is just holes to leak through.

01:24:32.000 Because no matter what you do, you are discriminating.

01:24:36.000 Period.

01:24:37.000 And they know that, and they exploit that.

01:24:41.000 Yeah, and one quick add-on to that too is just that in terms of the spirit of what you want to actually see happen there, we ended up into a place where it's like we don't want to just play games and use the same rules that you have and apply them back to you to try to, you know, in some case show you that we can't live this way.

01:24:57.000 But, you know, in terms of the space where you want to be inclusive, the whole point is we have these tools that are meant for everybody to be able to benefit from, and how can we make people feel like they can come and be a part of that?

01:25:09.000 So there are solutions, and that was the effort, is how can we be informed and get to a place

01:25:14.000 where we don't just play a game back and forth with a use of language, but to actually make

01:25:18.000 progress in the world, there are solutions.

01:25:22.000 And for us in that one particular case, it's like, why don't we just give, put the power

01:25:25.000 in the hands of that individual and just say, you know, we're going to go around and as

01:25:29.000 part of our guidelines that include all the normal stuff of just, you know, being respectful

01:25:34.000 and everything you'd want to do in civil conversation.

01:25:38.000 These people, in sharing at the beginning to get to know each other, why don't you just invite them to share how you'd like to be referred to in the space?

01:25:47.000 Because that doesn't make anybody say a pronoun, and then that, if somebody... But you're still not satisfying, and this is what we learned, you're not satisfying what the goal was, again, was to bring that gender identity category explicitly into the space as a way of reflecting back to those people that they're seeing.

01:26:05.000 So it still wouldn't satisfy it.

01:26:08.000 Yeah, so what you guys found was that there is not a compromise there.

01:26:11.000 There's nothing you can do to make it so that you are happy and feel that you're serving your own moral standard and that they're happy and you're giving them what they're looking for.

01:26:21.000 There's just no common ground, and I think they make it that way on purpose.

01:26:25.000 I think that's the reason they keep their definition so loose and easy, and they change it on you in the middle of an argument.

01:26:31.000 And you were talking about this before the show, the concept of making them play by their own rules.

01:26:36.000 Holding them to their own standards.

01:26:37.000 Exactly.

01:26:38.000 Hold them to their own rules, hold them to their own standards, and I think that's the only way to fight back against this.

01:26:43.000 This is in the rules for radicals.

01:26:45.000 This is in the book that they follow, whether they know it or not.

01:26:48.000 Right, if someone said, I want everyone to say their gender pronouns, I'd be like, excuse me?

01:26:52.000 Are you trying to force people to out themselves?

01:26:55.000 Are you a white supremacist who wants to physically harm them so you want them to reveal?

01:26:55.000 Why?

01:26:59.000 That's insane.

01:27:00.000 There you go.

01:27:00.000 How dare you bring that into my office?

01:27:03.000 We protect our LGBT employees and their right to privacy.

01:27:06.000 Well, that's what I did.

01:27:08.000 I see it's like a kind of linguistic credentialism they have where they have this whole jargon that they use and that they employ against people.

01:27:16.000 And most people just feel like overwhelmed by it.

01:27:18.000 Like, I don't know what I'm even being accused of.

01:27:20.000 I don't know what all these heteronormativity phrases are.

01:27:23.000 What are you talking about?

01:27:25.000 But I did.

01:27:26.000 I did learn enough to know that when I was told I wasn't allowed to speak on a certain topic because I'm straight.

01:27:33.000 I said, well, wait a minute.

01:27:34.000 How do you know I'm straight just because I'm married to a man?

01:27:37.000 You know, it's like within your own, within your own framework, you know, like I could be any, I could be any sexual identity, any gender identity right now. 0.93

01:27:46.000 Based on their own framework, you'd be a dog.

01:27:48.000 I'm not, I'm not exaggerating, right?

01:27:49.000 So this is in a Freedom Tunes cartoon.

01:27:53.000 Are you guys familiar with Freedom Tunes?

01:27:54.000 Seamus!

01:27:55.000 How's it going, buddy?

01:27:56.000 He made one where he's talking about gender and he said, the arguments about critical gender theory is that men and women are on a spectrum.

01:28:03.000 You know, it's a gender spectrum. 0.97

01:28:05.000 For instance, some men are infertile.

01:28:09.000 So reproduction or the production of sperm doesn't make them a man.

01:28:12.000 Some men might lose their privates in an accident.

01:28:15.000 They're still men.

01:28:17.000 And he said, right, like, What differentiates a dog from a person?

01:28:21.000 A person walks on two legs.

01:28:23.000 OK, well, some dogs walk on two legs.

01:28:24.000 Does that mean a dog could be a person?

01:28:25.000 Well, but humans use toilets. 1.00

01:28:27.000 And he said, yeah, well, dogs don't.

01:28:28.000 And some humans in California also don't.

01:28:31.000 So the issue is... It's true. 0.75

01:28:34.000 So the issue is they deconstruct concepts to make excuse for why certain ideas exist.

01:28:42.000 That logic right there shows they'll exploit anything to claim it was a violation and they'll use it to gain power.

01:28:49.000 But again, you can use that against them.

01:28:49.000 Right.

01:28:51.000 You know, if you're just deconstructing my, you know, gender, anything, any societal norm, I can deconstruct your theory.

01:29:00.000 I can deconstruct your deconstruction.

01:29:01.000 If everything is a social construct, why does this stand?

01:29:04.000 I just, I just say like, uh, discussions of race are banned at this company.

01:29:08.000 It's because we don't want any harassment.

01:29:10.000 So all discussions of race, gender, national origin, religion, you can't do it.

01:29:13.000 Don't talk about it.

01:29:14.000 Have a nice day.

01:29:16.000 And that's nice that you're in control.

01:29:18.000 How do we talk about discrimination?

01:29:20.000 Well, you can talk to your boss.

01:29:22.000 But if you want to go and harass... Are you saying you want to harass employees?

01:29:26.000 Because if you want to harass our employees, I'm sorry, that's harm.

01:29:29.000 And people here don't feel safe around you.

01:29:32.000 That's the game.

01:29:33.000 And I suppose the problem is, that's what they want.

01:29:36.000 They pull you down into the fray so that you're playing by their rules.

01:29:40.000 They've won.

01:29:41.000 Oh, intolerance.

01:29:41.000 So the alligator wants you to come underwater and fight it with intolerance.

01:29:43.000 Thank you for adopting my rules.

01:29:45.000 Thank you for adopting my world view and my way of life.

01:29:47.000 It's exactly what we wanted in the first place.

01:29:49.000 Oh, intolerance.

01:29:50.000 So the alligator wants you to come underwater and fight it

01:29:55.000 with.

01:29:56.000 And so you're thinking, all right, I'll drag you underwater.

01:29:58.000 He's like, that's all I ever wanted.

01:29:59.000 But I mean, that's the thing, though, is there are people that are that

01:30:04.000 self-aware that are doing that.

01:30:05.000 But just again, not trying to have the victim villain mindset.

01:30:08.000 And we're trying to speak to people we love and care about and, you know, in a way that can point it out and have a good dialogue to where you can be.

01:30:19.000 I love the concept of the noble adversary and how in philosophy it's so helpful to have somebody that might be completely on the other side of an issue.

01:30:26.000 But as long as truth is on the throne, then you both can be very helpful to one another.

01:30:32.000 And I love that question is just how how can truth contradict you?

01:30:36.000 And is truth on the throne in your life?

01:30:39.000 What if they don't believe in truth?

01:30:43.000 Well, then you don't have to listen to anything they say.

01:30:44.000 They can say nothing objectively.

01:30:47.000 What happens when they're the dominant political party and they control the House, the Senate, the presidency, and they're passing laws based on this stuff?

01:30:53.000 That's a problem.

01:30:54.000 Yep.

01:30:55.000 So the issue I see is that there are many people who think that these people want to have a dialogue, that these people are trying to improve things.

01:31:07.000 I don't think fire is evil.

01:31:10.000 I think the person who set the fire is.

01:31:12.000 The person who's watching it and laughing and seeing it destroy the building.

01:31:16.000 But you don't argue with fire.

01:31:18.000 It's just spreading and destroying.

01:31:19.000 You put the fire out immediately.

01:31:22.000 And there are some circumstances where you can use fire to prevent the spread of fire.

01:31:25.000 Controlled burn in a field, for instance.

01:31:27.000 You gotta do it right.

01:31:27.000 You gotta be careful.

01:31:29.000 Typically we just spray water on things, though.

01:31:31.000 Which means, if you want to maintain your principles, you can't, in the end, in my opinion, use, you know, the rules for radicals, I suppose, because then you're just spreading fire along with it.

01:31:40.000 I suppose, though, controlled burn could work.

01:31:42.000 In the end, though, perhaps there's a surgical approach to using a controlled burn in certain settings where it must be done, and then overall we need to keep spraying water on the fire.

01:31:51.000 Fire also can keep you alive in the right circumstances, like a controlled bonfire.

01:31:55.000 You can cook.

01:31:56.000 It can keep you warm.

01:31:57.000 But that's like critical race theory has some value, or critical theory, in that it questions power structures.

01:32:03.000 And we were born into an imperialist power structure.

01:32:05.000 It's worth questioning.

01:32:06.000 But when it gets out of control, and then it loses its own tolerance and can't has problems with with upending itself when it's it sees its own flaws.

01:32:16.000 That's the the wildfire that's dangerous.

01:32:19.000 And that's what you can see.

01:32:20.000 I mean, yeah, yeah, well, how about critical theory that you can't critique?

01:32:24.000 Right?

01:32:24.000 Let's go to Super Chats!

01:32:26.000 We chillin' this Friday night, everybody.

01:32:28.000 So make sure you go to TimCast.com, sign up to become a member.

01:32:31.000 We got a bunch of really cool stuff coming.

01:32:33.000 We actually are building this auction system, which means it's not just about auctioning off weekly tickets to the space to come hang out for our Friday night events, but we're actually going to be able to have signed t-shirts and other weird stuff.

01:32:46.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 T-shirts, mugs, pillows.

01:32:48.000 The original Our Pillow.

01:32:50.000 We should auction that off.

01:32:51.000 That's a good one.

01:32:51.000 See how much we can get.

01:32:53.000 So the original Our Pillow is a burlap sack full of styrofoam packing peanuts.

01:32:56.000 In fact, I will get it now.

01:32:57.000 Yeah, it's the communist version of My Pillow.

01:33:00.000 Have you guys ever used a My Pillow?

01:33:03.000 We have given one to my dad, a present.

01:33:08.000 It's got a bunch of basically like foam, memory foam bits inside.

01:33:12.000 He really likes it.

01:33:13.000 Yeah, so we decided, you know what, we'll cut the corners, we'll get a burlap sack, we'll go with packing peanuts.

01:33:17.000 We should wash this thing.

01:33:18.000 Okay, maybe.

01:33:19.000 No, no one's been using it, it's just a burlap sack.

01:33:23.000 But we'll auction that off for sure.

01:33:25.000 And then these silly trinkets will help fund more work and we're hiring some journalists.

01:33:30.000 Let's see some super chats my friends!

01:33:32.000 You must give a little tap to that like button.

01:33:34.000 It really does help out.

01:33:35.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:33:38.000 IB Drago says, 1984 is now, and Red Dawn isn't far behind.

01:33:41.000 Just saying.

01:33:42.000 Yikes.

01:33:44.000 Joey Melderman says, hey Tim, since Google is censoring search results, I recommend using Brave browser.

01:33:50.000 It's powered by the BAT cryptocurrency, is safe, secure, and pays you in bat for viewing ads.

01:33:54.000 Win-win.

01:33:56.000 We use Brave.

01:33:56.000 We do, yes.

01:33:57.000 And whenever we pull up articles, you can see the little Brave icon.

01:34:00.000 We almost exclusively use Brave.

01:34:02.000 Sometimes we need other browsers for pulling something up.

01:34:04.000 We'll use Brave for everything because Brave is awesome and the BAT token is great.

01:34:09.000 All right, let's see.

01:34:13.000 Euphoric Break says, I've been keto eight years now.

01:34:15.000 I turn 50 next week and I am on no pharmaceutical drugs, just eat real food.

01:34:19.000 Hey, there you go.

01:34:20.000 A super chat based on our sponsor of the day.

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01:34:26.000 Josh L says, Hey y'all, how come people talk and chat in a way they never would to another person in real life?

01:34:31.000 I consistently see people say crap that I know they'd never say to another person face to face.

01:34:35.000 It's really interesting, isn't it? 0.80

01:34:36.000 That's a big one.

01:34:38.000 Who was it that made that quote?

01:34:40.000 Mike Tyson made the quote that being online has made people comfortable with saying things that would get them consequences in the real life.

01:34:48.000 Punch in the face?

01:34:49.000 Okay, yeah, I wasn't gonna say that because we don't say that here.

01:34:52.000 Was that real or was that debunked?

01:34:54.000 I think that's real.

01:34:55.000 Yeah, I saw it the other day.

01:34:56.000 I was like, yep, it's true.

01:34:57.000 You see this guy, Key Mark is trying to get me.

01:35:00.000 Whoa.

01:35:00.000 But you're not gonna get me.

01:35:01.000 But I'm gonna read your super chat anyway.

01:35:03.000 I love it.

01:35:04.000 Where's Bucko?

01:35:05.000 Can you let him know Michael Malice's amazing new book, The Anarchist Handbook is now for sale on Amazon for $19.

01:35:10.000 He will love it.

01:35:11.000 Bucko would love that.

01:35:12.000 Bucko went feral.

01:35:14.000 So we started letting him go outside.

01:35:14.000 He did.

01:35:16.000 And then he killed her. 0.97

01:35:17.000 Okay. 0.90

01:35:17.000 He's a cat. 0.90

01:35:19.000 He killed a rabbit and was just carrying the body of the rabbit around, like, very proud that he killed it.

01:35:24.000 And then we saw him chewing on it, and I was like, oh, that's to be expected.

01:35:29.000 And then after the show, a couple nights ago, I went downstairs and he was eating it on the floor in the kitchen.

01:35:36.000 It had since been buried.

01:35:37.000 He severed its head and was chewing on its spine.

01:35:40.000 Dude!

01:35:42.000 It was brutal.

01:35:43.000 It was like metal.

01:35:44.000 Yeah, it was like the most metal thing Bucko has ever done.

01:35:46.000 He also eats mealworms.

01:35:47.000 He was super excited.

01:35:49.000 Oh, we got a new chicken.

01:35:50.000 Yeah.

01:35:51.000 Good stuff.

01:35:51.000 Dorothy.

01:35:52.000 She's a, what is it, a barred rock?

01:35:52.000 Dorothy.

01:35:54.000 Barred, Plymouth barred rock.

01:35:55.000 Oh, you highlighted her on Instagram.

01:35:57.000 No.

01:35:57.000 Was that wasn't Dorothy?

01:35:58.000 No that's Margaret.

01:35:59.000 I didn't know you got a new chicken.

01:36:00.000 Yeah so somebody not too far away said that the chicken was an escape artist and that they had to like they couldn't keep it because it was going to get out and get eaten and I was like well we've got this fortified coop and she's currently laying eggs and it was funny because I was like I wonder what's going to happen because our chickens have never been around another chicken before.

01:36:17.000 We put her in, and you know what the chickens did?

01:36:19.000 Literally nothing.

01:36:20.000 Like, no reaction at all.

01:36:22.000 It'll be interesting to see once they start all laying eggs, is when they really develop their pecking order.

01:36:27.000 That's what we found with our chickens.

01:36:29.000 Well, Dorothy is already laying, so we bought her.

01:36:32.000 She might be the queen. 0.95

01:36:33.000 She's the queen? 1.00

01:36:34.000 Yep.

01:36:34.000 Queen Dorothy?

01:36:35.000 Dorothy!

01:36:36.000 We're pretending like she's related to Vanessa.

01:36:38.000 Big ol' girl.

01:36:39.000 Yeah, they are related.

01:36:41.000 Whoa, is this true?

01:36:42.000 Red State Bounce has Space Force Lieutenant Colonel Matthew Lohmeyer removed after Facebook post announcing Marxism.

01:36:47.000 Oh, look this up.

01:36:48.000 Interesting.

01:36:50.000 David Palmer says, any charities you guys trust?

01:36:52.000 I'm looking to donate, but want my money spent well.

01:36:55.000 Well, one thing you can definitely do if you want to contribute, not all charities are tax deductible, which means you may as well contribute to something that is going to do great work, like going to TimCast.com and becoming a member.

01:37:06.000 I'm kidding.

01:37:07.000 But definitely do that, too.

01:37:08.000 Any charities you guys recommend?

01:37:11.000 Find me on Twitter.

01:37:12.000 Yes.

01:37:13.000 They have a good one.

01:37:14.000 So yours?

01:37:15.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:37:18.000 Doobie McNasty says, the only pronoun we all need to share is human.

01:37:22.000 What is your pronoun?

01:37:23.000 Human.

01:37:24.000 Human.

01:37:24.000 I am human.

01:37:24.000 I love it.

01:37:28.000 Tex Avery says, as a trans person, I have to disagree with gender pronoun woke nonsense.

01:37:32.000 People have a right to talk about you however they want.

01:37:35.000 That's true.

01:37:35.000 There you go.

01:37:37.000 It's going against the grain.

01:37:38.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 DaddyDay71 says, Tim, wanted to provide some clarity for your 4pm video.

01:37:45.000 You can become a commissioned officer without having a college degree.

01:37:48.000 I know many who have become limited duty officers or chief warrant officers.

01:37:52.000 Interesting.

01:37:54.000 The Median says, Israel will not fall even if they take down their wall. 0.87

01:37:58.000 And if Russia, Iran, Egypt, and Turkey all attack Israel together, Israel has been around longer than the U.S. 0.61

01:38:03.000 and will be here after.

01:38:04.000 Favorite water-based mammal.

01:38:06.000 Oh.

01:38:07.000 um, yeah.

01:38:10.000 Platypus platypus.

01:38:13.000 Come on.

01:38:15.000 Is that a water based amount?

01:38:15.000 What is it?

01:38:17.000 Yeah, that's a mammal that lays eggs.

01:38:19.000 Yeah, but is it underwater?

01:38:21.000 Well, it's amphibious.

01:38:22.000 Yeah.

01:38:23.000 Mine is hippos.

01:38:25.000 Water-based mammals.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, dolphins too, though, because they protect surfers from sharks.

01:38:30.000 There you go.

01:38:31.000 I don't think I have one.

01:38:32.000 I could just say a random animal, I guess.

01:38:34.000 Capybara?

01:38:35.000 Walrus.

01:38:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:38.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess capybara.

01:38:39.000 They're not water-based, but they love water.

01:38:41.000 They're awesome.

01:38:42.000 I think they're the friendliest animal, right?

01:38:43.000 They are, yeah.

01:38:44.000 Yeah, like all the other animals just hang out with them.

01:38:46.000 And nobody wants to eat them for some reason.

01:38:46.000 Yeah.

01:38:48.000 It's weird.

01:38:49.000 They're so friendly.

01:38:50.000 Like, the predators are like, nah, you're cool, dude.

01:38:52.000 They're rodents, right?

01:38:53.000 What is it about them?

01:38:54.000 What's the trait?

01:38:54.000 They're zen.

01:38:55.000 They're super chill.

01:38:56.000 There's videos of them, like, sitting in hot springs, and their eyes are, like, half closed.

01:38:59.000 They're like the stoners of nature.

01:39:01.000 I love them.

01:39:02.000 Nobody wants to eat them, I guess.

01:39:04.000 They're so cute.

01:39:05.000 They got a bunch of lice.

01:39:05.000 Maybe they taste bad.

01:39:06.000 That's what I heard.

01:39:07.000 Oh, really?

01:39:08.000 Actually kind of gross.

01:39:08.000 That's gross.

01:39:08.000 Not good.

01:39:11.000 Lucas Parada says, great guests question for them.

01:39:14.000 Did they approach the issue from a spiritual perspective?

01:39:16.000 I feel these ideologies can't be brought into the light without a spiritual approach.

01:39:21.000 That's a great question.

01:39:23.000 Well, our staff was of diverse religious and spiritual backgrounds.

01:39:29.000 So that was something to take into account.

01:39:32.000 Yeah, and I would say that also it was the idea of personal versus professional came to light in terms of just how oftentimes that the organized worldviews are quickly called out, but people are not aware of just the fact that we all have a worldview and that, again, people are out of their lane when you're trying to do science or have empirical conversations around these types of things.

01:39:56.000 We all need to Just be honest about that fact.

01:40:00.000 That is something we laid early on with the groundwork was we all operate on faith at some level, especially about the ultimate things.

01:40:06.000 Yeah, true.

01:40:09.000 Rude.

01:40:09.000 Well, I'm a wizard.

01:40:10.000 Riley says, Tim, why do you still bother using NewsGuard?

01:40:12.000 They gave CNN an objectivity rating of 8 out of 10.

01:40:15.000 They gave the Daily Wire a 3 out of 10.

01:40:17.000 That would be like giving Ian a sanity rating of 8 out of 10 and you a 3 out of 10.

01:40:22.000 Oh.

01:40:23.000 Rude.

01:40:24.000 I'm a wizard. 0.73

01:40:25.000 It's hard to be sane when you're a wizard.

01:40:27.000 It's a bias check.

01:40:28.000 So when people are like, Tim's fake news, I'd be like, all my sources are certified

01:40:33.000 And they gave CNN an 8 out of 10, and Daily Wire 3 out of 10.

01:40:36.000 So if you don't trust them, I don't know who I'm supposed to trust.

01:40:39.000 It was funny, there was like some fake report that claimed me, and like, it included me in a list of people spreading election misinformation.

01:40:46.000 And I was like, what did I say about the election?

01:40:48.000 Like, seriously, tell me.

01:40:50.000 All of the articles I use on everything are certified by NewsGuard.

01:40:52.000 Period.

01:40:53.000 So that's really a tech on NewsGuard.

01:40:55.000 And if NewsGuard doesn't take issue with it, you know, whatever.

01:40:59.000 Oh yeah, they're credible.

01:41:00.000 off on that I guess and I think they're super biased they give media matters

01:41:04.000 like a 90 out of 10 I got like 90 out of 100 like an organization that literally

01:41:08.000 just puts out fake news and conspiracies oh yeah they're credible Drew Richmond

01:41:15.000 says Tim crucial conversations is a great book GNC's approach to their employees is CC in action.

01:41:21.000 I used it myself when I did mediation between truant teens and parents.

01:41:25.000 It helped me in my life, too.

01:41:27.000 Ian, you would love it.

01:41:28.000 I got a copy for each of you.

01:41:31.000 Awesome.

01:41:31.000 Thank you, guys.

01:41:31.000 Oh, cool.

01:41:35.000 Joe Novarotti says, Tim, can you shout out Rimfire Apparel on Facebook?

01:41:40.000 We're a family-owned, Second Amendment apparel startup out of New Jersey.

01:41:44.000 Shout out to Rimfire Apparel.

01:41:45.000 Very cool.

01:41:46.000 Thank you for the Super Chat.

01:41:49.000 Mountain Man Chucks, any thoughts on Alexander Dugan, fourth political theory?

01:41:54.000 Shout out to Jack Murphy interviewing Michael Millerman and Dugan himself.

01:41:58.000 Any thoughts?

01:41:59.000 I saw Mike Millerman tweeting about Dugan recently, but I'm not well informed.

01:41:59.000 Oh, cool.

01:42:05.000 I don't know anything about it, no.

01:42:07.000 You don't even know that name.

01:42:10.000 Sleepless in Phoenix says, long time viewer and big fan, Tim.

01:42:13.000 Can you give a friends link a shout out?

01:42:16.000 It is, help Tony Burns compete in Formula Drift on GoFundMe.

01:42:20.000 The A in fanned is actually meant to be a U. GoFandMe?

01:42:26.000 Censorship is getting crazy.

01:42:27.000 It won't even let me put the word fund in super chat, but you literally put fund in the super chat afterwards.

01:42:32.000 So maybe you can't say GoFundMe, I guess.

01:42:36.000 Hmm.

01:42:37.000 Claymore says, didn't they say great leaders don't seek power?

01:42:40.000 It is thrust upon thee.

01:42:42.000 Or at least they used to.

01:42:43.000 Yeah.

01:42:44.000 That was, that was how it was supposed to be, I guess.

01:42:44.000 Yeah.

01:42:47.000 Whose quote is that?

01:42:48.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:42:50.000 That's a Shakespeare quote.

01:42:52.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:42:52.000 Is it?

01:42:53.000 It's very wise.

01:42:55.000 Oh my.

01:42:57.000 Devon Stark says, Tim, prehens are formed by eating brains.

01:43:00.000 The proteins are correct for the original brain, but malformed for the one eating them.

01:43:04.000 I wonder what that makes this all a reference to.

01:43:09.000 I think it's related to Jefferson's tyranny over the mind of man.

01:43:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:13.000 Right.

01:43:14.000 Just this whole philosophical movement is to control people's thoughts, or like freedom to have thoughts, you know?

01:43:22.000 It really is sort of management.

01:43:24.000 If you're managing people's speech and what they can read, you're kind of saying you shouldn't think certain things either.

01:43:29.000 Definitely.

01:43:30.000 This Shakespeare quote was that some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.

01:43:35.000 Not that great leaders don't seek power.

01:43:37.000 I don't know where that comes from.

01:43:37.000 I don't know.

01:43:40.000 I mean, you know, Donald Trump, the greatest leader of all time, sought power.

01:43:45.000 What is power anyway?

01:43:46.000 Is power just authority?

01:43:48.000 I mean, it's not just authority.

01:43:50.000 That's the question that I think is really important.

01:43:52.000 What's the difference between power and authority?

01:43:54.000 I think all legitimate power comes from authority.

01:44:02.000 Power grants authority in a certain sense, but... Disagree.

01:44:06.000 What do you mean?

01:44:07.000 I think, I mean, there can be illegitimate power, right?

01:44:10.000 Like somebody just wielding brute force over another person.

01:44:13.000 And then there's authority, which gives a person the due right to have power in a situation.

01:44:18.000 You know, think about a parent and a child.

01:44:19.000 I don't think authority is due right.

01:44:22.000 Well, how do you define authority?

01:44:24.000 Uh, hierarchical command structure?

01:44:27.000 Okay, so I'm not defining authority that way.

01:44:27.000 Power?

01:44:29.000 I'm defining- Like, you're defining authority as, like, the authority on a subject.

01:44:33.000 Right, exactly.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, the authority, or the actual author of a thing.

01:44:37.000 The actual creator of a thing.

01:44:39.000 So, yes.

01:44:41.000 Interesting.

01:44:42.000 So that, you know, is where our founding documents come from, for instance.

01:44:46.000 That our rights are rooted in the authority of a creator.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:50.000 And that that creator is due the power that we're, you know, recognizing.

01:44:56.000 So like a soldier would be given a gun.

01:44:58.000 That would be authority.

01:44:59.000 But the person who took the gun would be not authority, but they would they would also have power.

01:45:05.000 So the power derived from.

01:45:07.000 Illegitimate.

01:45:07.000 Right.

01:45:08.000 Authority or other means.

01:45:09.000 Illegitimate.

01:45:10.000 Right.

01:45:11.000 So you can be a person who has legitimate authority and therefore your power is legitimate.

01:45:16.000 or you can be a person who has no authority and then therefore any power you have is illegitimate.

01:45:21.000 Yeah.

01:45:21.000 Interesting.

01:45:22.000 I think it's a kind of a component of this whole conversation because I do think that critical theory, since it's built on assertions, has no legitimate authority and therefore all the power that it wields is illegitimate, which is why there's so much intimidation involved.

01:45:35.000 Because there's nothing there.

01:45:37.000 There's actually nothing there.

01:45:38.000 I'm pretty sure it's by Ibram Kendi.

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 I think it is.

01:45:40.000 That guy's out of his mind.

01:45:40.000 Woke Baby, yeah.

01:45:41.000 stumbled upon scary ish if you guys can find it you should read it it's short

01:45:46.000 and worth it for its insanity I'm pretty sure it's by Ibram Kendi I think it is

01:45:51.000 well baby yeah that guy's out of his mind Oh woke baby but but he asked like

01:45:56.000 I think someone like Ibram X candy he's just like a legit con artist

01:46:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:03.000 Like, that's my opinion on what he is.

01:46:04.000 It's sad.

01:46:05.000 Saying something like the root of, what does he say, the root of racism is in denialism or whatever.

01:46:10.000 The heartbeat of racism is denial.

01:46:12.000 Right, right, right.

01:46:13.000 Like, the dude's clearly conning people.

01:46:15.000 In my opinion.

01:46:16.000 Oh, what were you going to say?

01:46:17.000 I was just going to say, it's very similar to Robin DiAngelo's whole argument, is if you deny that you have white fragility, it's proof that it's the same exact Kafka trap. 0.61

01:46:26.000 Did he put X in his name because of Malcolm X?

01:46:29.000 Probably. 0.95

01:46:30.000 That's like clown makeup. 0.74

01:46:32.000 Pretty much, yeah.

01:46:34.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:46:35.000 I know it's not his birth name.

01:46:37.000 Why did Malcolm X have an X in his name?

01:46:39.000 I don't know.

01:46:40.000 Because it's his name?

01:46:41.000 Possibly just his middle initial for the 10th person.

01:46:45.000 King Cringe says acting with integrity within their moral framework seems like a capitulation to abhorrent behavior.

01:46:51.000 This can be applied to witch hunts, lynch mobs, genocide.

01:46:54.000 Every zealot believes their actions are for some greater good.

01:46:58.000 Yep, that's a good point.

01:47:00.000 But would you rather people believe things and not act on them?

01:47:03.000 I mean, there's a line.

01:47:06.000 I remember when I was little, I was in school and I was walking down the hallway and there's a big banner that said, stand up for what you believe in.

01:47:12.000 And then I asked my teacher, I was like, what if someone believes in beating someone based on their race or who they love?

01:47:19.000 And they were like, well, I mean, I was like, should someone in the class stand up if they hate a person based on their race or something?

01:47:25.000 That's a great question.

01:47:26.000 Yeah, there was a really great point that was brought up on Tucker Carlson's show when he was talking about cancel culture.

01:47:30.000 Someone said, um, they were talking about free speech, and they were like, Tucker, you don't believe in free speech either.

01:47:37.000 If someone came on your show and said something racist, you'd remove them from your show.

01:47:39.000 And he's like, yes, I would.

01:47:40.000 And he's like, exactly.

01:47:42.000 So why are you mad that social media companies... And of course the argument is bonk because the issue isn't necessarily that, you know, YouTube, Facebook or whatever are banning people for being racist.

01:47:51.000 It's that they're banning people who are literally often on one side of the political spectrum for highly dubious reasons.

01:47:57.000 Right.

01:47:58.000 But it's true though.

01:47:59.000 Tucker Carlson would absolutely boot someone from his program for saying racist things. 0.81

01:48:02.000 Well, it's a great point, what you asked your teacher, is should the people who believe in atrocious things stand up for those things?

01:48:09.000 Yes.

01:48:09.000 And that's why everyone should be examining what their underlying presuppositions are about reality, and be honest about what those are.

01:48:17.000 Because everyone is making assumptions about what's real, what's true, what's right, and you should act on them.

01:48:24.000 But if you haven't ever examined what those are, it could be something that, you know, is not sound, is not in alignment with truth.

01:48:31.000 Are you familiar with the paradox of intolerance?

01:48:31.000 I don't remember.

01:48:34.000 Who's that guy that they're always citing who wrote that?

01:48:36.000 I don't remember.

01:48:37.000 So the left loves this meme where it's like, should we tolerate intolerance?

01:48:40.000 And it's like, no, because if you do, eventually the intolerant take over.

01:48:43.000 And I'm like, that's a really great reason why we shouldn't tolerate you.

01:48:47.000 Carl Popper.

01:48:48.000 We shouldn't tolerate authoritarianism in any aspect, be it fascism, Nazism, communism, socialism, whatever.

01:48:54.000 Karl Popper.

01:48:55.000 Yeah, bye bye.

01:48:56.000 Y'all can go.

01:48:57.000 Now, what does it mean to tolerate fascism?

01:48:59.000 Well, I don't care if you have the ideas and you speak them, but if you are politically

01:49:02.000 organizing then I think we absolutely should not tolerate this woke insurgency because

01:49:07.000 they're authoritarians.

01:49:09.000 Malcolm X, the X was a response to reject slavery.

01:49:13.000 That's why I put X there.

01:49:15.000 Ibram X. Kendi, his middle name is Zolani.

01:49:18.000 X-O-L-A-N-I, so I guess it's his name.

01:49:21.000 Alright, Julie Simone says, Sounds like Dunning-Kruger effect, a type of cognitive bias where people believe they are smarter and more capable than they are.

01:49:28.000 Basically, low ability people don't possess the skills to recognize their own incompetence.

01:49:32.000 Check it out.

01:49:33.000 I'm very familiar. 0.78

01:49:33.000 And you know, my favorite thing growing up was when people would say, when dumb people would also use Dunning-Kruger, they would say, well, you're an example of Dunning-Kruger. 0.78

01:49:42.000 And I'm like, bro, I'm the one who's saying, I'm not entirely sure. 0.81

01:49:45.000 You're the one who's overly confident.

01:49:46.000 I got no problem saying, I don't know, man, I'm trying my best.

01:49:49.000 The other funny thing was, I remember when I had these arguments about religion and stuff when I was younger, I would often hear, like, you need to have an open mind.

01:49:56.000 And I'd be like, now hold on just a minute, because that statement itself is paradoxical.

01:50:00.000 You're disagreeing with my view, claiming I'm the one with a closed mind, why can't I just assert the same thing of you and say you don't have an open mind?

01:50:07.000 It's a pointless statement.

01:50:10.000 Damon Bowers says, you should try to get Richard Andrew Grove on.

01:50:14.000 He is a very knowledgeable person on this.

01:50:15.000 He has been covering this information on philosophical corruption of reality and the origins of it.

01:50:19.000 Very interesting.

01:50:20.000 Look him up.

01:50:22.000 Never heard that name.

01:50:23.000 Tyler Fulkerson says, Big fans, it's Occupy.

01:50:25.000 Wanna say how much the Air Force has changed a lot since 2016.

01:50:28.000 Extremism training was the last straw for me, getting out in August.

01:50:34.000 It's a bummer, man.

01:50:35.000 Hey, here we go!

01:50:35.000 Excellion says, Just run all Druids, Tim.

01:50:38.000 He's right.

01:50:39.000 Druids are pretty bad.

01:50:40.000 Bro, Druids can be tanks, healers, and DPS.

01:50:43.000 That's busted.

01:50:43.000 Bad in a good way.

01:50:44.000 Yeah.

01:50:44.000 That's busted.

01:50:45.000 Druids, legit.

01:50:46.000 Man...

01:50:48.000 But we always would.

01:50:48.000 Druid for life.

01:50:49.000 Druid for life.

01:50:50.000 Yup.

01:50:51.000 They get stealth, they get, you know, stronger armor, they get resto, and now they got moon

01:50:56.000 kin form, they got owl-like, they get travel form, man.

01:50:59.000 They're so good.

01:51:00.000 Druids are the best. 1.00

01:51:01.000 In warcraft.

01:51:02.000 I just don't like playing druids though.

01:51:03.000 Okay.

01:51:04.000 Yeet says, oh I forgot to say this is from my ethereum classic winnings.

01:51:08.000 I like how you refer to it as winnings.

01:51:11.000 Ah, here we go.

01:51:11.000 John Lee says, hey Tim, and wow, you can run a full team of druids in clear raids.

01:51:15.000 Me and my brother used to run this.

01:51:17.000 I know, I know.

01:51:18.000 And theoretically, you could probably do paladins too, but not nearly as good as druids.

01:51:22.000 Not in D&D though.

01:51:24.000 Druids aren't that tough in D&D.

01:51:25.000 Really?

01:51:26.000 Yeah, they're more like priests.

01:51:29.000 Shane Kerwood says, totally with you guys on the RPG metaphor.

01:51:33.000 I understood every word and it's a brilliant example.

01:51:36.000 Affing love this show, you guys are the absolute best.

01:51:39.000 See, I knew there were going to be people who heard us using that and they're going to be laughing the whole time.

01:51:44.000 Although all the people talking about druids were like, actually.

01:51:48.000 You got us though, but they were right.

01:51:48.000 Oh gosh.

01:51:50.000 Innervate.

01:51:52.000 Moonfire.

01:51:53.000 Druid for life.

01:51:55.000 Alright, YouTube just jumped on us.

01:51:56.000 They always do this.

01:51:58.000 We get a bunch of superchats all at once and then the thing goes...

01:52:03.000 James Orenthal Nguyen, is that how you pronounce it?

01:52:07.000 Leroy Jenkins!

01:52:08.000 Stop Asian hate in 2021.

01:52:09.000 Silence is not violence.

01:52:11.000 If you're still reading, please consider pre-ordering Michael Knowles' new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

01:52:18.000 They're everywhere!

01:52:19.000 The smartest thing I've ever seen in any marketing campaign is making a meme where people go to other people's channels to get them to promote Michael Knowles' book.

01:52:27.000 So smart!

01:52:29.000 I should start doing that with, like, we don't have any, like, strong merch, I guess.

01:52:33.000 R-Pillow?

01:52:34.000 You'll sleep better on an R-Pillow.

01:52:35.000 Yeah.

01:52:35.000 R-Pillow?

01:52:36.000 Make sure to buy R-Pillow.

01:52:37.000 Yes.

01:52:38.000 Good communist pillow.

01:52:39.000 That's what Jack Posobiec's been doing.

01:52:40.000 Right.

01:52:42.000 William Carlos says, please, this is my third attempt.

01:52:44.000 So hi, I wrote a free book about exactly these topics, specifically about fallacies, biases, and axioms.

01:52:51.000 I am William Carlos on Minds.

01:52:53.000 Love the show.

01:52:54.000 There you go.

01:52:56.000 Great.

01:52:57.000 LoneWolf says, man, I love Ian.

01:52:59.000 No insinuations there, just honest, brother.

01:53:02.000 You bring such a great element to the table, for example, the uncommon thoughts and angles of viewpoint.

01:53:06.000 That's right.

01:53:07.000 The wolf is my spirit animal.

01:53:09.000 It is funny to imagine someone playing Warcraft and have five rogues, and just have one who's black, one who's white, one who's a woman. 0.79

01:53:16.000 We need some diversity here.

01:53:18.000 We can't beat this dungeon, we need diversity.

01:53:20.000 So what do we need for this dungeon?

01:53:21.000 Well, we need a black rogue, we need a white rogue, a female rogue, a black female rogue, and an elf. 0.98

01:53:26.000 It's like, that's diversity enough for me.

01:53:31.000 I had a vision that I was being attacked by an eagle, or some sort of hawk, and a wolf dove out of, like, the veil, and it spun around and protected me from the bird.

01:53:41.000 Spirit animal.

01:53:42.000 Speaking of the wolf being my spirit animal.

01:53:43.000 Spirit animal.

01:53:44.000 Just wanted to make sure.

01:53:45.000 Tofu Pancho says, good job, Bucko!

01:53:47.000 Tear it up!

01:53:48.000 Yes!

01:53:49.000 Dang.

01:53:49.000 No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:53:50.000 The cat, the cat.

01:53:51.000 Bucko killed a baby rabbit.

01:53:53.000 We were like, oh big man you go to baby and then he comes up the next day with a baby mouse And we're like is it the best you can do bro killing babies? 0.96

01:53:53.000 Okay. 0.96

01:54:02.000 Yeah, I'm just getting started.

01:54:04.000 No.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:05.000 No, it's like he's all proud of himself He like walks up like look what I did and we're like, dude, really?

01:54:10.000 Okay, you want us to be impressed by you killing a baby rabbit?

01:54:13.000 He starts eating it He's being trained by the neighbor's cat.

01:54:16.000 He is.

01:54:16.000 It's very cute.

01:54:16.000 Also a hunter.

01:54:17.000 I have to defend Bucko because he thinks that Tim is very bad at being a cat and he needs like really small little meals to make him full and fill his tummy.

01:54:25.000 So he's bringing Tim these little things.

01:54:26.000 He's not bringing him to me.

01:54:27.000 He just like drops him on the porch.

01:54:27.000 Where's he bringing him?

01:54:28.000 He brought him to the... Him and Herman, the other cat, brought him to the green room entrance, which is like the lower floor.

01:54:36.000 Yeah, it's for you.

01:54:37.000 That's where you come in.

01:54:37.000 I wasn't down there.

01:54:38.000 It was like Andreas and, you know.

01:54:40.000 It's like, this is for anyone who's here.

01:54:42.000 You're welcome.

01:54:43.000 I think he was, I don't think he, so a lot of people say that cats will bring you dead animals because they're trying to like, Hey, you're bad at hunting.

01:54:49.000 Here, let me show you this.

01:54:50.000 Like, here's how, here's what you do.

01:54:52.000 He was parading it around proud of himself.

01:54:52.000 No, no.

01:54:54.000 It was the first thing he had ever killed.

01:54:56.000 Like he was an indoor cat and we got him a little, we got him armor.

01:54:59.000 You know, he has a vast little bow on it.

01:55:02.000 He brought it to one door and then like the next day he brought it to the other door.

01:55:05.000 Yeah, he was, like, showing us.

01:55:07.000 He was very proud of himself.

01:55:08.000 And the other cat, who's an outside cat, who lives outside and hunts all the time, and, like, I watched him one time playing with a mouse and, like, swatting it.

01:55:14.000 It was brutal.

01:55:15.000 Like, he was teaching Bucko how to do all this stuff.

01:55:17.000 It's funny.

01:55:18.000 He, like, follows him around and, like, watches and then... So cute.

01:55:20.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:55:21.000 Is this keeping poop off the skate ramps?

01:55:23.000 Uh, well he's never allowed anywhere near the skate ramps.

01:55:25.000 Okay.

01:55:26.000 But the cat doesn't poop.

01:55:26.000 He doesn't, you know.

01:55:27.000 No, the birds poop. 0.97

01:55:27.000 No, I meant killing the, the culprits. 0.97

01:55:30.000 Oh, well the problem is we have birds in the garage because, but we, we cleared out the roof.

01:55:34.000 We're doing like cleanup and remodeling.

01:55:36.000 So now the problem is there are these tiny little bugs and every night they reproduce about a million of them.

01:55:42.000 I'm not even exaggerating, like no joke, like a million.

01:55:43.000 That's a lot.

01:55:44.000 And so every morning in the garage, no joke the ground is blanketed with like you'll see dots all over the ground and you it's like it was really funny so i pointed out and i can't remember what i was talking to they're like uh just they thought it was dust and so i took the uh the leaf blower and i started blowing the floor and clearing it and then you have a big clump a huge clump of dead bugs of like flies of some sort weird

01:56:08.000 Yeah, so I'm wondering if, like, the chickens can eat them, because then what we'll do is we'll just... It's a free meal, you know what I mean?

01:56:12.000 I don't know what they're eating to make more bugs.

01:56:15.000 They're certainly eating something.

01:56:17.000 The other bugs.

01:56:18.000 I guess.

01:56:19.000 Would.

01:56:19.000 Weird.

01:56:20.000 Dude, the other night, I opened the door after the show, and then all of a sudden, no joke, about a thousand tiny bugs flew in my face.

01:56:27.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:56:28.000 And so I pulled the door closed, and I'm like, they were everywhere.

01:56:30.000 I started flying around, and then I looked out, I turned the light on, and it's just... It was a cloud.

01:56:35.000 It was like a horror movie.

01:56:36.000 I wonder if those are locusts?

01:56:38.000 Is that the beginning of the locusts?

01:56:42.000 Oh, they got through my screen and my window, see?

01:56:45.000 I have to keep my windows closed because they're smaller than the screen holes.

01:56:48.000 They're tiny and so what we're gonna do is we're gonna get like 10 bug zappers and we're gonna create just like a

01:56:55.000 fortress and So we had a bug zapper last year and Ian you got mad

01:57:00.000 because yeah It was just going like a few man like it was I'd just let

01:57:04.000 it roll it sounded like a permanent high-powered taser going off

01:57:07.000 non-stop and And then Ian was like, why are we just killing the bugs for the sake of killing them?

01:57:11.000 And I'm like, we're just trying to get the bugs off the porch.

01:57:13.000 But it was like, it's like, you know, normal bug zapper every, every few seconds.

01:57:17.000 You're like.

01:57:19.000 This one was like... And you could see the arcs, and we were like, what is going on?

01:57:24.000 Yeah, that was a fire hazard.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, that was a camper from Star Wars.

01:57:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:57:29.000 Killing bugs.

01:57:31.000 No more unlimited bugs!

01:57:32.000 Unlimited bugs.

01:57:33.000 All right, what is this?

01:57:37.000 ggplayer says, want to clarify my chat from the other night.

01:57:40.000 When I went to Parnell's website and it said I could not find the IP, that was only when I used your link.

01:57:45.000 It was the correct link.

01:57:45.000 Oh.

01:57:46.000 I double checked it.

01:57:47.000 Brian says, Tim and Ian, I'm running for Congress and I want your ideas to make policies and give the people back the power and wealth.

01:57:53.000 Um, you know what?

01:57:56.000 I got it.

01:57:57.000 If I ever run for office, it'll be to like abolish.

01:58:01.000 Everything.

01:58:02.000 Solve it.

01:58:03.000 That's one way to go.

01:58:04.000 I'll be like, we're going to start over.

01:58:05.000 Very nuanced.

01:58:06.000 I want to get rid of everything.

01:58:08.000 And then we'll just, you know, one thing you could do is at a local level, create an app that lets you allocate your local tax funds.

01:58:15.000 I love that.

01:58:16.000 Yeah.

01:58:17.000 Like with sliding bars.

01:58:18.000 So like you'll slide up 2% and everything else will like drop down 0.1%.

01:58:21.000 And it's like Tinder.

01:58:23.000 So you'll see, like, I want to build, um, I love it!

01:58:26.000 Yes!

01:58:26.000 on Main Street and so you'll swipe right if you want to add it to your list of

01:58:29.000 things that you want to apply tax money to and then you can like put your tax

01:58:32.000 dollars. Ian, that is the most right-wing thing I've ever heard you say.

01:58:35.000 Libertarian all the way!

01:58:37.000 Yes! That's awesome.

01:58:39.000 It's an interesting position where it's like you should still be forced to pay taxes but you get to choose where

01:58:44.000 they go.

01:58:45.000 It's like, okay, well then you're not paying taxes because you're going to be like, no roads, no water, no fire department, no cops.

01:58:50.000 Some of them will be grayed out at like five.

01:58:52.000 So the police, you'll have to pay at least like 6%.

01:58:54.000 Fire department will be at 4% and you have, so there's minimums for some.

01:58:58.000 Oh, interesting.

01:59:00.000 I think it's great.

01:59:00.000 I love it.

01:59:03.000 Professor Enigma says, I believe the future of gaming will be currency in game as an altcoin.

01:59:07.000 People can invest in the coin and increase the value of items in game.

01:59:11.000 For a long time, in World of Warcraft, gold had real world value.

01:59:16.000 And there were, I can't remember what we were talking about.

01:59:17.000 We were talking about like, maybe like Cuba or Venezuela.

01:59:20.000 No name says, am I God.

01:59:21.000 World of Warcraft gold in their online accounts they would keep

01:59:24.000 because it actually had value to Americans. Venezuela.

01:59:26.000 Yeah. Venezuela.

01:59:27.000 So they would actually rather hold World of Warcraft gold because it

01:59:31.000 was less risky than the Venezuelan currency.

01:59:34.000 Yup.

01:59:36.000 No name says am I God.

01:59:41.000 I'm sorry but you're not.

01:59:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:45.000 I think you are.

01:59:45.000 Sorry.

01:59:46.000 Bad news.

01:59:47.000 What if what if no name is? 0.84

01:59:48.000 Oh, you're a finger.

01:59:49.000 It's like God's just like sitting back in his chair, his eyes half closed watching the show.

01:59:52.000 And he's like, you know, my God.

01:59:54.000 And we're like, no.

01:59:54.000 And he goes, I could see it.

01:59:59.000 The real Mr. Pink says, Yo, Tim, love the show and what you're doing.

02:00:01.000 You are truly on the front lines of the culture war.

02:00:04.000 Sent you a pitch for my punch in jury concept and even made a harumph character for you.

02:00:09.000 Keep an eye out. 0.99

02:00:10.000 Keep kicking butt. 0.98

02:00:11.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:00:12.000 I will.

02:00:15.000 Wicked Felina says, the end of your quest, shining light into shadows, reveal the wizard.

02:00:20.000 Who is wizard?

02:00:21.000 Ian will always be the wizard.

02:00:22.000 Then who is wisdom?

02:00:23.000 Yoda is wisdom.

02:00:24.000 Who is Yoda?

02:00:25.000 Yoda is Tim.

02:00:26.000 Tim will always be Yoda.

02:00:28.000 Okay.

02:00:29.000 I caught all of that.

02:00:35.000 GGplayer says, true power is competence, according to Jordan Peterson.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, I think it's related to authority.

02:00:43.000 Competence gives you the right to speak into something.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 I just, it's this like, you know, whenever the communists get power, they're like, we're going to take the farm away from the farmer and give it to the farmhands.

02:00:54.000 And then the farm collapses.

02:00:56.000 It's like, maybe you needed that person to know what they were doing.

02:00:58.000 Is authority derived from power or is power derived from authority?

02:01:02.000 True power, in my understanding, comes from authority.

02:01:07.000 Huh.

02:01:08.000 And where does authority come from, do you think?

02:01:11.000 Well, competence was one good, but you know, maybe wisdom is another one.

02:01:15.000 Right.

02:01:16.000 Okay.

02:01:17.000 That sounds good.

02:01:18.000 Virtue, character.

02:01:20.000 Jerome Morrow says, based on a previous Super Chat, zombies don't eat brains because they're zombies.

02:01:25.000 People become zombies because they eat brains and get the wrong prions.

02:01:29.000 Oh.

02:01:30.000 No, I think you just die when that happens.

02:01:32.000 What is it called?

02:01:33.000 Encephalopathy?

02:01:34.000 Critzfeldt-Jakob disease.

02:01:35.000 Oh, is that what it is?

02:01:36.000 Yeah, it's encephalopathy.

02:01:37.000 The shakes?

02:01:37.000 Yeah, the shakes.

02:01:38.000 Remember in Book of Eli?

02:01:40.000 It's like when you buy, you gotta hold your hands.

02:01:42.000 Oh no, my hands are shaking, look.

02:01:44.000 Wait, okay, there they go.

02:01:44.000 Oh my gosh.

02:01:45.000 No, what's the story?

02:01:46.000 Dude, Book of Eli is an awesome movie, you should watch it.

02:01:49.000 Oh, awesome, no.

02:01:50.000 It's super good.

02:01:51.000 It's a post-apocalyptic, and like, he goes to the store, and they're like, show me your hands, and he like, has to hold his hands up, because when the cannibals are shaking. 0.96

02:01:57.000 Wow.

02:01:58.000 Yeah, so they're like, they want to know if you're a cannibal or not.

02:02:00.000 That was Book of Eli, right?

02:02:01.000 Yeah, that was Book of Eli.

02:02:02.000 That movie's awesome.

02:02:03.000 Great movie.

02:02:03.000 Denzel Washington.

02:02:04.000 Yeah, dude, that movie's so cool.

02:02:06.000 Super twist.

02:02:06.000 He's badass.

02:02:08.000 C.S.

02:02:09.000 Bowden says the little bugs are most likely gnats.

02:02:12.000 But they're so tiny.

02:02:13.000 We have gnats.

02:02:14.000 They're everywhere.

02:02:16.000 You know what we should do for the vlog?

02:02:17.000 We should make the world's biggest bug zapper.

02:02:21.000 That'd be cool, like a Tesla tower.

02:02:22.000 Yeah, it would basically be a giant Tesla coil.

02:02:26.000 We built a Tesla coil in the parking lot.

02:02:28.000 For the bugs.

02:02:28.000 And like, it just wipes, like it's raining bugs.

02:02:31.000 Because they're all flying towards it.

02:02:33.000 And then the chickens are having a field day.

02:02:36.000 The moths would burst into flames, right?

02:02:39.000 Probably, yeah.

02:02:40.000 That could be a fire hazard. 0.86

02:02:41.000 Wow.

02:02:42.000 That'd be awesome.

02:02:43.000 It would be pretty cool.

02:02:45.000 I feel weird about coming out to nature and then slaughtering all the animals of nature.

02:02:49.000 It could be an attraction.

02:02:50.000 They're trespassing here.

02:02:51.000 That's true, they are trespassing.

02:02:52.000 And there's a sign up.

02:02:53.000 Charge people to come see it.

02:02:54.000 Yes, that would be fun.

02:02:55.000 We'll be done on Friday.

02:02:56.000 Everybody stand back, we're turning on the coil.

02:02:59.000 Maybe Michael Knoll's book signing there?

02:03:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:02.000 Yes, we have to.

02:03:05.000 OMG Puppy says, quote, power emanates from the barrel of a gun.

02:03:08.000 Mao Zedong.

02:03:09.000 Hmm.

02:03:11.000 Yeah, technically correct.

02:03:13.000 Authoritarianism.

02:03:16.000 Nick Spicer says, hey, Tim, love the show.

02:03:18.000 Curious if you think the world is heading towards the world in Harrison Bergeron, forced equality and dystopic government rule. 0.84

02:03:25.000 Well, that one was obviously very silly, like people having earpieces that scream in their ears and they can't think properly or wearing ugly masks or something.

02:03:32.000 I mean, in a certain sense, I think we're already there. 0.92

02:03:35.000 Where it's like, Ian was saying, you get a company, and they're like, we need someone who knows how to backflip.

02:03:40.000 Have you considered hiring a Mexican person?

02:03:43.000 It's like, what does that have to do with the backflip?

02:03:46.000 What backflip?

02:03:47.000 It's like, well, we need to hire people who can...

02:03:49.000 That's where we're at.

02:03:50.000 I feel like purely through like need necessity that it won't get to that place of Harrison Bergeron because I think we'll die off as a species if we let ourselves hamstring or kneecap ourselves as a species.

02:04:03.000 So I think it's just going to be like this.

02:04:05.000 Evolution doesn't happen because we want it to.

02:04:07.000 It happens because it has to happen.

02:04:11.000 So does that make sense?

02:04:13.000 Did I clarify that?

02:04:15.000 Here's what I think we should do.

02:04:16.000 I think maybe all of us productive individuals should just one at a time start leaving without a word and, you know, go to a specific area where we can be separate from these countries that support people and extract value from those who are the hard workers.

02:04:35.000 You know what we can do?

02:04:36.000 We can leave like a calling card after we're gone.

02:04:37.000 Maybe like some kind of question.

02:04:40.000 How do you say who in Spanish?

02:04:40.000 Quien es Juan Galto?

02:04:41.000 to understand like like maybe like calling out someone's name or something just having

02:04:45.000 them question it like who is Juan Juan Galto who is how do you say how do you say who in Spanish

02:04:54.000 yes uh Ayn Rando for those that aren't familiar Got it.

02:05:07.000 Rainforest says, third time's a charm.

02:05:09.000 It is the sixth, not the fifth, that guarantees a speedy trail.

02:05:13.000 Thank you, sir, for the correction.

02:05:14.000 The Fifth Amendment is, what, the right to remain silent?

02:05:18.000 And, um, the fifth is more than that, though.

02:05:21.000 Yeah.

02:05:22.000 I don't remember.

02:05:23.000 Whatever.

02:05:23.000 Constitution's great.

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02:06:23.000 Just everything's spelled out.

02:06:26.000 Easy enough.

02:06:28.000 Curtis, Ian?

02:06:29.000 How about you, Curtis?

02:06:31.000 You can find me cooking dinner for her while she's responding to Twitter.

02:06:38.000 You're becoming more healthy.

02:06:40.000 You are engaged with society.

02:06:42.000 Thank you.

02:06:44.000 Have a wonderful evening and find peace within you.

02:06:46.000 It's there.

02:06:47.000 Oh, I like this.

02:06:48.000 I like this Ian wisdom before we leave.

02:06:50.000 I just looked up the fifth amendment.

02:06:52.000 There's a lot in there.

02:06:53.000 Due process.

02:06:53.000 You can't try somebody twice and private property.

02:06:56.000 And I just wanted to say, if you don't want to get into a fight with an alligator in water, what you need to do when you start a conversation, not shoot it, that would be violence, is to pin down your definitions before you even get started.

02:07:07.000 Just like Tim did tonight with our definition of critical theory.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - May 21, 2021

Timcast IRL - Woke Takeover Of Company FAILS, Founders Fight Back And WIN w- Grace And Curtis

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