Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Ye, Fuentes, Milo Join To Discuss Trump Dinner And Ye24

00:00:00.000 I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

00:00:20.000 You were with your families or loved ones, or at least relaxed and enjoyed yourself.

00:00:25.000 Over the past week, there was a particularly big news story that's resulted in a continued news cycle, which is now going on for over a week, which is in many ways unheard of.

00:00:34.000 But right now, because Donald Trump went to dinner with Ye and Nick Fuentes, among others, he is now being denounced by Mike Pence, several Republican senators, and For whatever reason, this story—for many reasons, I suppose, people have made—this story has persisted till today.

00:00:52.000 And we are able to actually sit down with several of the individuals involved in that story, notably Ye, Nick Fuentes, and Malianopoulos, of course, who made the dinner happen.

00:01:01.000 It's my understanding.

00:01:02.000 Or at least got the— No, no.

00:01:03.000 I had the dinner invite before I met Milo.

00:01:05.000 Okay, my bad, my bad.

00:01:07.000 There you go.

00:01:07.000 So, we're gonna jump right into this story.

00:01:09.000 I just overcomplicated it.

00:01:10.000 Absolutely.

00:01:12.000 So we're going to start with that.

00:01:13.000 There's a lot we want to talk about.

00:01:15.000 And you know what, man?

00:01:18.000 This is a very big story.

00:01:20.000 A lot of people have questions about, you know, what were Trump's intentions?

00:01:24.000 Why were certain people invited?

00:01:25.000 And Trump, of course, has issued statements.

00:01:27.000 So a lot of people want to know where he stands and, more importantly, what happened there and why.

00:01:33.000 And there's also the questions about what Yay 24 means, and I'll keep that a little bit vague so that they can answer to that and speak more to that, and then of course we're going to get into a lot of different issues.

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00:01:44.000 We're going to have a members-only uncensored show, which will probably get a bit more in-depth on a lot of other issues.

00:01:52.000 I'll just leave it at that.

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00:02:01.000 Joining us, as I mentioned, is we have Ye himself.

00:02:03.000 Would you like to introduce yourself, good sir?

00:02:06.000 You did it.

00:02:07.000 There you go.

00:02:08.000 I think everybody knows who you are.

00:02:09.000 And which of you gentlemen would like to introduce yourself?

00:02:12.000 Nicholas, please.

00:02:12.000 Hi, I'm Nick Fuentes, first time here on the TimCast.

00:02:17.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:18.000 Absolutely.

00:02:20.000 What do you do?

00:02:20.000 Oh, I'm a live streamer.

00:02:23.000 I do a show called America First on Cozy.tv.

00:02:26.000 All right.

00:02:26.000 And of course, Milo, you were here a couple weeks ago.

00:02:28.000 Yes, I'm your best ever guest.

00:02:30.000 So we've been told that the episode with you was one of the best podcasts ever.

00:02:34.000 People really enjoyed hearing you speak.

00:02:36.000 I think that's accurate.

00:02:37.000 Okay.

00:02:38.000 Thanks for coming back.

00:02:39.000 Thanks.

00:02:39.000 I was wondering how I was going to make it even more extraordinary the second time I visited, but I think I might have pulled it off.

00:02:45.000 Luke's here.

00:02:46.000 Total sausage fest tonight.

00:02:48.000 Welcome.

00:02:48.000 My name is Luke Grodowski of wearechange.org.

00:02:51.000 Today I'm wearing my Epstein didn't Epstein himself t-shirt, which you could get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.

00:02:57.000 And I think we should be using that word a little bit more, just like, you know, This YouTube channel didn't Epstein itself.

00:03:03.000 And if this YouTube channel is Epstein, we will be streaming on Twitter.

00:03:08.000 So yeah, I started a t-shirt company after YouTube demonetized me.

00:03:11.000 So thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you guys buy it.

00:03:14.000 That's why I'm here.

00:03:14.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:03:16.000 And of course, Serge.

00:03:17.000 And I am Serge.com.

00:03:18.000 Pleasure, guys.

00:03:19.000 All right.

00:03:20.000 And I'll just pull up this story from The Hill, which is from earlier today, 5 p.m.

00:03:24.000 Pence says Trump should apologize.

00:03:27.000 It's wrong to give anti-Semite a seat at the table. 0.98

00:03:30.000 This, of course, is related to a dinner that happened.

00:03:33.000 And I was wrong a little on the details.

00:03:34.000 So a dinner happened.

00:03:36.000 Nick, you were there.

00:03:37.000 Ye, you were there.

00:03:38.000 I just want to start off by how did this dinner come to happen and what happened?

00:03:47.000 I was talking to Trump for about a month.

00:03:50.000 We had scheduled the dinner in October and then he announced for president.

00:03:55.000 He pushed the dinner back to November.

00:03:59.000 And I've been pulling together a campaign and after I put up the Defcon tweet, a bunch of people that have been cancelled, like Alex Jones, I started getting contact with other people that were now on the you know, the inside of the matrix. And Alex Jones,

00:04:20.000 producer, said that Milo wanted to contact me.

00:04:23.000 And here we are. So that's how you guys got in contact?

00:04:28.000 Yeah, originally. And then I've suggested that we bring in Nicholas as an enormous extra

00:04:39.000 brain firepower that he is.

00:04:42.000 Most extraordinarily brilliant political commentator of his generation.

00:04:46.000 And he's been treated just about as badly as anybody, so I thought he deserved to be in the room too.

00:04:51.000 And yeah, that's pretty much how we got together.

00:04:55.000 So I have some questions about that, but we'll get through the dinner portion of how exactly this happened, what went down.

00:05:00.000 So this is how you get in contact, the three of you.

00:05:03.000 How is it that Nick ends up invited to this dinner, and what happened?

00:05:09.000 Well, he was rolling with me.

00:05:11.000 I was impressed with Nick and I was like, just come to the dinner.

00:05:15.000 And we had Karen Giorno pick us up from the airport and there was a lot of back and forth.

00:05:22.000 There's another gentleman named Jamar Montgomery that was with us.

00:05:28.000 He's an engineer at Boeing and his I'm telling him just that we should raise everyone's volume.

00:05:34.000 OK, cool.

00:05:36.000 And we sat there and it was like when Trump came in, we were I said, do you want to sit alone?

00:05:41.000 He's like, no, bring your friends in.

00:05:43.000 So a big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was.

00:05:49.000 And but this whole, I just, I just got to go right to the heart of this anti-Semite claim that's happening.

00:05:59.000 This is something, if you read the definition, it, it says you can't claim that There's multiple people inside of banks or in media that are all Jewish, or you're anti-Semitic.

00:06:17.000 And that's the truth.

00:06:19.000 Like, it's the truth.

00:06:21.000 What are we talking about?

00:06:22.000 What do you mean?

00:06:26.000 I'm saying, like, I've been labeled anti-Semite, right?

00:06:30.000 So, There's different beliefs about our bloodlines, you know, like the documentary that Kyrie posted.

00:06:42.000 And in general, America has been left ignorant and history has been changed.

00:06:49.000 So when we start questioning things, that question, the indoctrination, then you immediately get, you know, you said, debanked, or what did you say happened to you?

00:07:05.000 Demonetized, de-platformed.

00:07:06.000 Yeah, demonized, demonetized, and what's so beautiful about this time is everyone got to see what's really been happening.

00:07:19.000 And now we can really understand, we can see that Ron Emanuel was right next to Obama and then Jared Kushner was right next to Trump.

00:07:32.000 We're getting right into it I guess, right?

00:07:34.000 I was hoping to go for the news first before we got into all of this stuff.

00:07:39.000 I think the issue is, one way to put it, is you're expounding upon a localization issue that you've witnessed, right?

00:07:47.000 Let me clarify.

00:07:47.000 There are a handful of people that you see are Jewish in a certain place, and then you associate Judaism with the power, whereas I view that as not relevant to it.

00:07:56.000 Like, yeah, you're substantially more powerful than I am, but I don't view what you're doing as an issue of black people.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, but have you ever heard the term, the black vote?

00:08:08.000 So it's okay to put us in one net, but it's not okay for me to put them in one net.

00:08:13.000 Yeah, but I mean... That's the basis of the hypocrisy that people have been thinking about and knowing about and realizing for decades.

00:08:20.000 We were all wondering how this dam was going to break.

00:08:23.000 Everybody in the country was wondering, what is the root of this hypocrisy?

00:08:27.000 Why can people talk about white people a certain way?

00:08:28.000 Why can't they talk about that group a certain way? 0.93

00:08:30.000 And the most wretched and wicked and oppressive prevailing orthodoxy of cancel culture, well it turned out that the one thing that was going to break the dam was the biggest star in the world.

00:08:40.000 And it took the biggest star in the world to do it.

00:08:44.000 And now the dam is broken.

00:08:45.000 So let me tell you my issue.

00:08:47.000 I don't like identitarianism.

00:08:49.000 You guys are familiar with what that is?

00:08:50.000 Well, they started it, and they've been busy on us.

00:08:53.000 We're trying to break it.

00:08:54.000 When I was asking you about running for president, you immediately said, well, you know, you'd be good for the black vote.

00:09:01.000 And I said, is that because I'm black?

00:09:02.000 No, not just because of that.

00:09:04.000 So it was that.

00:09:05.000 Are you doing the same thing?

00:09:06.000 I didn't say that was the only reason.

00:09:07.000 I said it was because you're personable to the common person, and you probably would do well with the black vote.

00:09:13.000 Absolutely.

00:09:14.000 Just because I'm black? 0.95

00:09:15.000 Because a lot of black people don't like me. 0.97

00:09:17.000 Of course. 0.97

00:09:18.000 I think race plays a role in a lot of things, absolutely.

00:09:21.000 I think the construct of race has really been forced upon us as just something for us to be woke about and just constantly talk about and use it as these, like, walls.

00:09:34.000 Couldn't you say the same thing about Judaism?

00:09:37.000 Well, let's look at the facts of what I'm saying, though.

00:09:39.000 If you say, in this neighborhood, where they gerrymander, there's this amount of time.

00:09:45.000 So, hey, I wasn't doing that.

00:09:46.000 I was just gerrymandering the lawyers and the Hollywood executives and the people at the bank that debanked me and then froze my accounts.

00:09:54.000 You know, it's like, we want to jump into protecting the idea that we can't put a net around something, right?

00:10:01.000 But that's been my job as a producer, to take You know, a Roy Air sample, and put a James Brown drum, and put it within a two-minute, three-minute song.

00:10:13.000 That's the way I actually think, and that's the way I talk.

00:10:18.000 And now, this morning, I found out that they were trying to put me in prison, because what they did was I moved $140 million into JP Morgan, and I said, I want to talk to Jamie Dimon.

00:10:33.000 Like, look at me, I'm just going in naive, you know, multi-billionaire, like, maybe Jamie Dimon will let me in on some deal flow.

00:10:42.000 Wrong.

00:10:43.000 And I'm just like, banging my hands, like, I want to meet with Jamie.

00:10:48.000 And I start complaining online, and then they debank me.

00:10:53.000 for complaining.

00:10:54.000 And so I'm about to get debanked.

00:10:56.000 They're like, you need to go to Trump's, the bank, AXO, whatever, you got to go.

00:11:00.000 And I'm like, I've been trying to buy my own bank for the longest.

00:11:03.000 And then we figured out how to get my own bank.

00:11:05.000 It's like 50 million, 75 million.

00:11:07.000 So I'm about to buy my own bank.

00:11:09.000 But then, as they're about to take the money out, Here comes Adidas with a $275 million bill for marketing funds that they agreed upon.

00:11:20.000 Because I said to them, hey, I'm the marketing, give me the marketing fund.

00:11:24.000 Which proves by the response they got when they stole the designs and said, we're going to not call them Yeezys anymore. 0.51

00:11:30.000 So this is what I was already fighting Adidas for.

00:11:33.000 So I'm fighting Gap.

00:11:34.000 Get out of Gap.

00:11:36.000 Adidas.

00:11:37.000 And then I deal with this little bit of noise from, you know, Zionism, from the fashion world, where they use this plant named Gabi, who's obviously like some kind of CIA agent, knows nothing about fashion. 0.62

00:11:50.000 This is a certain thing.

00:11:51.000 When someone can't dress, you know that they're not like a fashion person.

00:11:56.000 They're just there as like the society, like the control that they try to use with celebrities, which has now been broken, right?

00:12:02.000 Because you know where it broke?

00:12:05.000 Okay, I want to get on, like, LeBron in a second, but I'm gonna come back to this and just talk about this morning where, you know, I'm not gonna mention her name because she's a nice lady, but someone at Cohen Resnick tells me, and I've told all of my finance people, never use the term a lot, but they said, okay, you're gonna have to pay a lot of taxes.

00:12:26.000 And that made me feel like they're just, like, waiting, like, we finally got him.

00:12:29.000 We finally can put him in jail.

00:12:31.000 And I was like, can I still run for president in jail?

00:12:33.000 I found out I could, so I was like, okay.

00:12:35.000 That's fine then.

00:12:36.000 It'll be okay.

00:12:38.000 But if you were Jeffrey Epstein, they wouldn't touch your bank account.

00:12:41.000 They would allow you to break the rules, regulations, just like JPMorgan and Chase did, just like Deutsche Bank did.

00:12:46.000 So there is an issue to bring up with that.

00:12:48.000 But when it comes to the race stuff, I think this is an important discussion to have because... I have to complete this thought.

00:12:54.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:12:54.000 You guys got it.

00:12:55.000 Because I'm talking about literally finding out that they were trying to put me in prison this morning.

00:13:00.000 Watch this.

00:13:01.000 This morning?

00:13:01.000 Yes.

00:13:02.000 So I'm not, you know, not come to my house this morning, but I found out, okay, so they froze, they put a $75 million hold on four of my accounts.

00:13:12.000 And then they said, you owe a lot of taxes.

00:13:15.000 Took me like six hours to find out how much a lot was, they said.

00:13:19.000 Well, around $50 million.

00:13:21.000 Now I'm going to different CFOs like, okay, so would this be tax evasion?

00:13:28.000 Because I'm obviously not the most financially literate person on the planet.

00:13:33.000 I was just a child, basically.

00:13:36.000 When you become famous, you stop growing at that point.

00:13:39.000 I became famous at age 24 and I had handlers around.

00:13:42.000 I had my mom around, different things.

00:13:43.000 And it was always like you go from one handler to the next handler to the next handler.

00:13:47.000 So now I get to actually learn how to run.

00:13:53.000 a company.

00:13:53.000 I get to learn how to count, really.

00:13:59.000 I was like Pablo in a movie.

00:14:01.000 It was like I didn't even know where to put the money, like literally making $300 million cash, but you're just like a high-priced, you know, we're not going to use the S-word just because it's like too passé to use it, but it's like next year I was supposed to make $500 million in royalties, and no one needs this amount of money. But when I would work on homeless

00:14:25.000 shelters and ideas, I'd have a contractor, who won't say what race, and they'd be tearing down the

00:14:34.000 contracts. It's all about position.

00:14:38.000 It's not about the amount of money that you have and, you know, to come in here, I feel like it's a setup to be, like, defending.

00:14:44.000 I'm not gonna go through another, like, I'm literally gonna walk the F off the show if I'm sitting up here having a, you know, talk about, you can't say that it was Jewish people that did it when Every sensible person knows that. 0.98

00:14:59.000 I mean, Jon Stewart knows what happened to me and they took it too far.

00:15:03.000 It was like American History X. Like, my head was on the side of the curve and the exact people that I called out kicked my head.

00:15:12.000 We found out that my trainer was a MKUltra Canadian He worked in the defense research and development in the Canadian military, essentially working on psyops in the Canadian military.

00:15:25.000 Who's this guy?

00:15:26.000 This is Harley Pasternak.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, what I'm saying is, look, they tried to medicate me, I was exhausted, they wrongly diagnosed me, and when I asked them how much Lithium, did you want to put me on exactly?

00:15:39.000 It took them four days to answer because they were embarrassed about the amount, right?

00:15:43.000 And I refuse to take this, right?

00:15:45.000 You understand that if I had taken the medication, I would not be here and it would have been, woe is, he was deeply troubled.

00:15:53.000 We miss him.

00:15:54.000 We love his music though.

00:15:56.000 Well, they would have Britney Spears, too.

00:15:58.000 They would have Michael Jacksoned me.

00:16:00.000 Or worse, yeah.

00:16:01.000 Look at what they did to Britney. 0.96

00:16:03.000 When she went in, she was tired, she was exhausted, she was in a bad way.

00:16:06.000 But ten years of that medication wrecked her brain.

00:16:08.000 You can see it now.

00:16:09.000 You can see there's not much of her left.

00:16:12.000 You mentioned Pasternak was the name?

00:16:14.000 Yes, Harley Pasternak.

00:16:16.000 That's the text message that you posted that we were talking about before.

00:16:20.000 That's the lobotomy thing. 0.95

00:16:22.000 Before the show, obviously, I'm getting a bunch of messages from people. 0.99

00:16:24.000 People are hitting me up and they're like, you shouldn't host them, they're anti-semitic, they're white supremacists, they're racist.

00:16:30.000 I do find the idea, I do find it funny or weird or whatever that, you know, Nick, they call you a white supremacist, you're here working with or for, you know, one of the most powerful black men, one of the wealthiest and most famous.

00:16:41.000 But, uh, A lot of people were saying, on the right, specifically, don't platform them.

00:16:45.000 And I said, well, I want to understand what they're thinking and why they're thinking it.

00:16:49.000 They're involved in what may be the biggest news story of the past week, and we have an opportunity to sit down and talk to them.

00:16:53.000 Because the red media controls both sides.

00:16:56.000 It just said it as simple as possible.

00:16:57.000 Jerry Kushner was next to Trump.

00:16:59.000 Ron Emanuel was next to Obama.

00:17:01.000 But since 1940—go ahead.

00:17:03.000 As I say, isn't that an issue of these individuals?

00:17:06.000 I'm going to order with the last of my money that's available in a different account, I'm going to order a PJ before I sit and have another Lex Friedman set-up conversation.

00:17:17.000 They're trying to put me in jail for my opinion.

00:17:23.000 I'm not going to have that opinion.

00:17:25.000 I don't care about people.

00:17:26.000 Those are bots that are trying to tell you.

00:17:29.000 We realize, look at Pence.

00:17:30.000 He sold Trump out.

00:17:32.000 You get what I'm saying?

00:17:33.000 It's like I would have never wanted to do anything that hurt Trump.

00:17:37.000 I'm on Trump's side.

00:17:38.000 Trump said things that hurt me.

00:17:41.000 He lied about me, but I mean, he's known for lying. 0.99

00:17:43.000 And when people used to tell me, that, you know, he's a liar. It's like, you know, I went

00:17:47.000 into the trenches for Trump.

00:17:48.000 That's another conversation. There was no one in my position that wore that hat.

00:17:52.000 And all of my surroundings exhausted me. It was like death by a thousand questions. I know I'm

00:17:57.000 jumping to another thing. But what I'm saying is, I know you got a rep for your people online,

00:18:02.000 but it's like you got a person in real life that I'm not with it, bro. I lost the...

00:18:07.000 I lost the money for the freedom of speech, and that's what makes me the only American that we know that really deserves to run the country, because everyone else—your boy DeSantis, Trump, whoever they raise in a petri dish over on the Democrat side—is going to play the game.

00:18:27.000 Here's what I was trying to get to.

00:18:29.000 You went right into the anti-Semite thing.

00:18:31.000 I think it's something that should be talked about, but if you start bringing this up, you're going to ask my opinion on it.

00:18:34.000 I'm going to disagree with you.

00:18:36.000 I didn't ask your opinion on it.

00:18:37.000 You jumped into it.

00:18:38.000 I don't care about your opinion.

00:18:40.000 I like your opinion on how we win an election, but I don't care about anybody's opinion, bro.

00:18:45.000 They tried to put me in jail.

00:18:47.000 They blocked two Billion dollars I had.

00:18:51.000 But I told Farrakhan, I said, look, oh, is it anti-Semitic for me to say his name out loud?

00:18:56.000 The minister.

00:18:57.000 Yeah, the minister.

00:18:59.000 Obama met with him, too.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, I mean, the Jewish people allowed Obama to meet with the minister.

00:19:11.000 Farrakhan said, well, did he have the money?

00:19:13.000 The contract for the next four years, if I hadn't done anything, would have been $500 million a year for four years.

00:19:20.000 What I was fighting for was the IP so my children could I'm sorry, sometimes I think about seven thoughts at one time, because anything I see, I come up with like seven answers to it and then just choose what it is.

00:19:37.000 But the thing is, when I said my children, the reason why my brain kind of blocked, because it's like God is saying, you know, your children are going to be okay.

00:19:48.000 Baby mama's got money, right? 1.00

00:19:51.000 God is using me.

00:19:52.000 He's breaking me down.

00:19:54.000 removing all of the, you know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve Him.

00:20:00.000 And the more and more those things are taken away from me, the more I can be empty and be a vessel and be able to be used.

00:20:07.000 And right now, it's like, you're not going to take If we can't, you're not going to take my pain away, right?

00:20:13.000 The Jewish people say, it's the Holocaust, this happened, and you can't say anything about it.

00:20:18.000 We can't take their pain away.

00:20:20.000 No one's going to denounce the fact that they tried to lock me up.

00:20:24.000 That's what, because every time I'm just holding stride and it's like, I I thought I was more Malcolm X, but I find out I'm more MLK, because as I'm getting hosed down every day by the press, and financially, I'm just standing there.

00:20:37.000 And when I found out that they tried to put me in jail, it was like a dog was biting my arm, and I almost shed a tear.

00:20:47.000 Almost.

00:20:47.000 But I still walked in stride through it.

00:20:50.000 I think they've been extremely unfair to you.

00:20:52.000 Who was they, though?

00:20:54.000 We can't say who they is, can we?

00:20:55.000 Corporate press?

00:20:56.000 I don't use the word as the way I guess you guys use it.

00:20:59.000 It is them, though, isn't it?

00:21:00.000 I mean, because when you think about it, consider it.

00:21:04.000 In 2018... What do you mean it's not?

00:21:07.000 What do I mean, like, okay, so how about... Are you leaving?

00:21:13.000 Are you afraid of the press?

00:21:15.000 He's gone.

00:21:17.000 I'll say it right now.

00:21:20.000 You guys want to bring that stuff up and then think we're not going to have a conversation?

00:21:25.000 Have the discussion.

00:21:26.000 You think Ye's going to come in here and say, here's my pain, here's my suffering.

00:21:30.000 I'm going to say, I hear you.

00:21:31.000 And then he's going to say, and it was Jewish people, and I'm going to be like, okay, but don't you consider it.

00:21:34.000 I'm not going to do this.

00:21:34.000 I refuse.

00:21:35.000 I got to go make sure he's cool.

00:21:36.000 All right, go for it.

00:21:37.000 Luke and I will have a conversation.

00:21:39.000 So I can't say I'm surprised.

00:21:41.000 What do I even do?

00:21:44.000 Other than ask him, please elaborate on this.

00:21:46.000 Are you referring to individuals or are you quite literally blaming an entire group of people for the fact that powerful individuals are causing you harm?

00:21:54.000 I really wanted to ask Nick about his thoughts about MLK because I know they contradict.

00:21:58.000 These comments about that but but again these are mass generalizations that don't really help anyone in my perspective they just kind of sound like their opposition they sound what they're kind of going against the woke mob that's always saying white men white men are responsible for everything when I see people just use generalizations it kind of cheapens the conversations it cheapens a dialogue that we could have here that I was planning to

00:22:21.000 talk to Ye about, specifically bringing up like, hey, let's actually talk about this in a

00:22:25.000 real concise way. Let's not get emotional.

00:22:27.000 Let's not walk out of here. Let's actually talk about this.

00:22:29.000 Let me tell all you guys outright. I said this is going to be a big issue.

00:22:33.000 Before the show, obviously people are going to bring up the questions of anti-Semitism.

00:22:38.000 Why don't we talk about the news?

00:22:40.000 I want to hear what happened with this meeting.

00:22:42.000 I want to understand what Ye24 is.

00:22:44.000 And then we can do a longer conversation about any of that stuff.

00:22:47.000 And Ye, literally in the first five minutes, says, no, I want to talk about a group of people and point to them.

00:22:53.000 Whatever, man.

00:22:54.000 You want to know why?

00:22:55.000 Look, you're not going to sit here and you're going to walk out of the room.

00:22:58.000 You're free to do so, man.

00:23:00.000 But literally, I said a couple sentences about, I don't think that's fair.

00:23:04.000 Did I insult the man?

00:23:06.000 He seriously can't handle it?

00:23:08.000 He also left during the Piers Morgan interview he did, but he came back.

00:23:12.000 So again, we should be able to have this conversation.

00:23:16.000 What's up, Chris?

00:23:21.000 I wanted to talk to these guys about why they're meeting with Trump.

00:23:24.000 I want to know what happened with the dinner, because we hear a lot of rumors about it.

00:23:28.000 I want to hear about their 2024 platform, which they were promising, which they were talking about, like they're going to be officially... Let me explain to everybody.

00:23:35.000 You know, unfortunate they walked out.

00:23:37.000 Fine, maybe they'll come back, whatever.

00:23:39.000 This is the biggest challenge with dealing with identitarianism.

00:23:42.000 I do not believe that the predeterminate factor in someone's worth, value, or agenda is based on immutable characteristics.

00:23:49.000 Kanye's a black man.

00:23:50.000 He does not represent all black people. 0.95

00:23:52.000 There are Jewish individuals who work in banks.

00:23:54.000 Dave Chappelle made the joke about Jewish people in Hollywood.

00:23:57.000 And he said, but it doesn't mean anything. 0.97

00:23:58.000 You got a lot of black people in Ferguson, it doesn't mean they run the place.

00:24:01.000 The point is, me, I'm all about individualism, meritocracy, personal responsibility. 0.84

00:24:05.000 That means an individual of any background can be capable of anything.

00:24:09.000 More importantly, we have employees here who are Jewish who spend time in Israel and would probably agree with a lot of issues that they would talk about, especially as it pertains to America First, you know, bringing jobs back here and securing our borders.

00:24:24.000 But then it's just like every step of the way, it's like, bro, if you live in a world where a single group of people is haunting you, you're trapped.

00:24:33.000 You're not going to get out.

00:24:34.000 The issue is, you can overcome anything.

00:24:36.000 I understand, you know, and I empathize that there are powerful business interests that are coming at Kanye.

00:24:43.000 And I will say this, because I wanted to get into the Trump stuff.

00:24:47.000 When Kanye mentioned he got suspended on Twitter, then he gets word that Milo wants to meet up with him.

00:24:53.000 Then Milo puts him in touch with Fuentes.

00:24:55.000 My immediate question is, okay, my thought to myself, we really want to know about the inner details of this Trump meeting.

00:25:03.000 I guess it's not going to happen.

00:25:04.000 My question then is, don't you think that, you know, if Kanye is going to say these things and then immediately start getting involved with Fuentes, that only amplifies the accusations made against him?

00:25:19.000 But I guess if they genuinely believe these things, that's who they are.

00:25:22.000 I was dying to interrupt.

00:25:23.000 I was dying to say a whole bunch of stuff during his, you know, his conversation.

00:25:28.000 I respectively, you know, didn't.

00:25:29.000 I was waiting to counterback, but we didn't even push back at all, really.

00:25:34.000 We didn't even really say anything.

00:25:36.000 Crazy out there.

00:25:37.000 I mean, come on.

00:25:39.000 We should at least have the tough conversations.

00:25:42.000 We should debate these ideas.

00:25:43.000 What does he think is going on?

00:25:45.000 I don't know, but I just wish people were, again, like, hey, you don't agree with me 100%?

00:25:50.000 That's fine.

00:25:51.000 That's okay.

00:25:51.000 I'm not going to run away.

00:25:53.000 Like, come on, let's have this discussion, let's have this conversation.

00:25:56.000 I don't know, man.

00:25:57.000 I really wanted to talk about Balenciaga, I really wanted to talk about Harley Pasternak, I really wanted to talk about Dave Chappelle.

00:26:03.000 Dave Chappelle talked about, you know, a lot of the things that Ye was warning about, specifically with people trying to drug him, specifically with people trying to, of course, get him on big pharma medicines.

00:26:13.000 He was, again, sent to You know, he was institutionalized a couple years ago, specifically on November 21st, 2016.

00:26:22.000 He's pointing a lot of this blame on this Harley Pasternak guy, who, again, he's the one who's training Lizzo, Elliot Page, he was training Brittany Murphy, he trained a lot of controversial figures, and he is connected to Canadian military PSYOPs.

00:26:37.000 We should know what else is happening behind the scenes there, what else he knows, but we can't even get that.

00:26:41.000 Before the show, Ye was like, This is funny, you know, he's like, how do I become president?

00:26:46.000 How do you win?

00:26:47.000 And I thought it was a rhetorical question, because, like, why would I know that question?

00:26:50.000 And he was like, hey man, I asked you a question, you know, what do you think?

00:26:52.000 And I was like, oh, ballot harvesting, like, hands down.

00:26:55.000 You go door to door.

00:26:56.000 He brought it up when he mentioned that I said that he would do well with the black vote.

00:27:00.000 I feel like that's kind of oversimplifying what I said.

00:27:03.000 What I said was that he's a celebrity, he's a personable character, he appeals to regular people more so.

00:27:08.000 If he knocked on the door and you said, Trump, Biden, yay, they'd be like, yay.

00:27:12.000 You know, but I do think that he would do better with the black vote simply because there's people who look up to him because they can see themselves in him.

00:27:24.000 Now, let me elaborate.

00:27:26.000 That's actually more of a leftist position, this woke position, because I don't completely disagree with every component of what diversity is.

00:27:34.000 I think that it's true that if you're a little kid growing up in this country, And you're not white, but all you ever see on billboards and all you ever see on TV is white people, that means something, that has an effect on you.

00:27:44.000 And that's basically what I'm getting to.

00:27:46.000 All I can really say is this.

00:27:49.000 Bro, if I can't ask you questions, calmly like, hey, but don't you think this is like localizing?

00:27:55.000 He could have been like, I don't, you know, I genuinely view it this way, and I'd have said, well, okay, I can only ask you the question, you're allowed to believe what you want to believe.

00:28:02.000 But dude, what did I ask him?

00:28:04.000 Three questions about it?

00:28:05.000 And he just got up and left?

00:28:06.000 He's gonna come here and just talk and be uninterrupted?

00:28:10.000 Before we started the show, he said, hey, we're doing this show, why don't we do it every week?

00:28:13.000 And I'm like, what is this?

00:28:15.000 Is this, what, is it because you can't get on any other shows?

00:28:18.000 I'm sorry, bro.

00:28:19.000 This is not a show where you come in and talk by yourself and say whatever you want and say things that warrant questioning, at the very least.

00:28:30.000 At least for clarification.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, I mean, everything should be questioned.

00:28:33.000 Everything should be debated.

00:28:35.000 Everything should be, you know, talked about.

00:28:37.000 We shouldn't stray away from uncomfortable situations.

00:28:40.000 We decide to take things head-on.

00:28:42.000 Like, we have our particular viewpoints.

00:28:44.000 They have theirs.

00:28:46.000 Obviously, there's a difference.

00:28:47.000 Obviously, we believe in different things.

00:28:49.000 Let's see which idea is better.

00:28:51.000 Let's see which idea wins out in the public sphere.

00:28:55.000 Let's actually have that conversation.

00:28:56.000 And it's kind of sad that we can't.

00:28:58.000 Well, I think it's funny that we have people in Super Chats who are like, why don't you just let him keep talking and keep talking?

00:29:03.000 But that's not how the show works.

00:29:04.000 We cut each other off all the time.

00:29:06.000 I just cut you off right now.

00:29:07.000 I know.

00:29:07.000 Right?

00:29:08.000 This is the way we do the show.

00:29:11.000 Guys, I'm sorry, man.

00:29:12.000 I'm not here to do a show where we let one... Look, we had Milo come on a couple weeks ago, and he mostly just talked.

00:29:17.000 And I think there's something interesting there.

00:29:20.000 Milo had been banned for a really long time and hadn't spoken out in years.

00:29:24.000 Five years.

00:29:24.000 Yeah, he's been on a whole bunch of podcasts.

00:29:26.000 So when we were talking about bringing him on, I said, look, man, after the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff, people were like, are you going to get him on the show?

00:29:33.000 And I'm like, I don't want to chase after a dude who, like, he's in the news.

00:29:38.000 Ye goes on Rogan before.

00:29:39.000 He goes on Fridman.

00:29:40.000 And then I'm like, that's cool.

00:29:42.000 They got those conversations.

00:29:43.000 Then we were told we would get Milo, Fuentes, and Ye at the same time, and we could talk about this big news.

00:29:49.000 Because that's what we do.

00:29:50.000 We are a topical news show with guests.

00:29:52.000 We are not Joe Rogan Experience.

00:29:53.000 We're not guest interviews.

00:29:55.000 And so with Milo, we had him on, and it turned into something different because the man's been out of the limelight for five years and came back and said Trump supporters want revenge.

00:30:03.000 So here on this show, I don't want to tell you, man.

00:30:06.000 Ye doesn't have to do anything.

00:30:07.000 He owes me no favors.

00:30:08.000 He wanted to come on the show, but he didn't want to have a conversation.

00:30:11.000 I didn't disrespect him.

00:30:12.000 We were nice to him.

00:30:13.000 We hung out with him before the show.

00:30:17.000 We tried to accommodate him to the best of our abilities, but he didn't want to entertain a conversation.

00:30:21.000 I can't make him.

00:30:21.000 He doesn't owe me that.

00:30:22.000 He can leave.

00:30:22.000 That's his thing.

00:30:23.000 Appreciate him trying as best as he did.

00:30:26.000 That's about it.

00:30:26.000 That's true.

00:30:27.000 I mean, what else can you do, right?

00:30:29.000 I mean... Look, you know, let me tell you guys some stories, because I guess this is the show now.

00:30:33.000 Welcome to the Monday Night Show.

00:30:35.000 It was all hype and then all nothing.

00:30:38.000 You know, I don't like identitarianism.

00:30:40.000 I've never been a fan of people who've blamed everyone else for their problems.

00:30:44.000 I remember during Occupy Wall Street, you had people saying it was the one percent that was the cause of their problems.

00:30:48.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:30:49.000 You got one percenters here giving you money.

00:30:51.000 You've got rich people down here supporting Occupy Wall Street, providing funding.

00:30:55.000 You've got, like, George Soros money going into these non-profits that are funding you to complain about rich people.

00:31:02.000 The problem is varying agendas.

00:31:05.000 The problem is varying ideologies.

00:31:07.000 The problem is everyone fighting for power for what they want.

00:31:11.000 In Ye's circumstance, they're coming after him.

00:31:13.000 They're trying to take away his stuff.

00:31:14.000 They're threatening him with institutionalization, and I understand all of that.

00:31:18.000 It's unfortunate that he's internalized this problem to, it is a specific ethnic and religious background that's doing it.

00:31:25.000 And I'm like, bro, it's specific people doing it to you.

00:31:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 I don't know what else to say.

00:31:30.000 You can read Super Chats.

00:31:31.000 Well, I think Super Chats would be interesting to spur on this conversation. 0.58

00:31:35.000 We made it 27 minutes, and YouTube didn't take it down, Ye just got up and left.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, people don't understand.

00:31:39.000 We took a big risk tonight.

00:31:41.000 It was my channel, it was your channel, especially on the line, because, again, we're hosting conversations that are tough, that are not easy to have, that we need to be ready for, that we need to, of course, counter ideas just to let the best idea win.

00:31:55.000 So, you know, taking this risk is just unfortunate that it played off the way it did.

00:32:00.000 Again, he doesn't owe us anything, but this just should have done... I just wish it would have went a totally different way, but you can't control individuals.

00:32:09.000 And if someone can't handle getting their assertions questioned... Well, but why did he get so angry about it?

00:32:15.000 I don't get it.

00:32:15.000 I don't understand it.

00:32:16.000 It's not like we were confrontational.

00:32:18.000 It's not like we were rude.

00:32:19.000 I definitely disagreed with some of the statements and I was waiting to jump in just to have that conversation.

00:32:25.000 Well, here's my thing.

00:32:26.000 I don't know who he's talking about.

00:32:28.000 I don't know exactly what happened.

00:32:30.000 Yeah.

00:32:30.000 And so when he says a thing happened to me and I'm like, but who did it?

00:32:34.000 What am I supposed to be like?

00:32:36.000 You've got to, I'm sorry, man.

00:32:38.000 Like the idea that you've got a group of people of this, like, It just doesn't make sense.

00:32:46.000 I'm sorry, man.

00:32:47.000 It just doesn't.

00:32:48.000 There's certainly powerful individuals who are friends with each other.

00:32:52.000 Like I said, Bezos, billionaire.

00:32:53.000 Bill Gates, billionaire.

00:32:54.000 Bill Gates going on TED Talks talking about depopulation.

00:32:57.000 You've got, here's an example, Shane Smith, CEO of Vice, Irish-Canadian guy, multi-billionaire, created a woke media empire.

00:33:06.000 So when we're talking about censorship and silencing and he says it's like Jewish or whatever and I'm like, but what does that mean?

00:33:15.000 Like there's woke entities that are completely white European dudes.

00:33:20.000 Antifa is mostly white European.

00:33:21.000 They're not Jewish guys going around smashing up windows.

00:33:24.000 This is the issue of people blaming a group of people when the issue is specific to something unrelated to their background.

00:33:31.000 I don't know what else, man.

00:33:32.000 How are you guys doing?

00:33:33.000 I don't know.

00:33:34.000 I might want to go downstairs and see if we can get him back.

00:33:37.000 I think it's worth a try.

00:33:37.000 I'm going to try to talk to him and see if we can get him back.

00:33:40.000 I'll read superchats.

00:33:42.000 I'll read superchats.

00:33:44.000 Well, that was fun.

00:33:46.000 We're just going to sit here.

00:33:48.000 I guess so.

00:33:48.000 We'll read some superchats because otherwise, that's it.

00:33:53.000 You know, it is what it is, guys.

00:33:55.000 We try, we try.

00:33:56.000 I mean, Luke is right.

00:33:57.000 He has left podcasts before and then come back.

00:34:00.000 Sometimes it just takes some people.

00:34:01.000 And it's probably a good lesson.

00:34:02.000 It takes a minute to calm down and then you can come back after.

00:34:04.000 He needs to explain what he means.

00:34:06.000 Right.

00:34:06.000 He can't just say, it's true.

00:34:07.000 And I'm like, what do you mean by that?

00:34:08.000 Who are you referring to?

00:34:09.000 No, I'm done.

00:34:09.000 I'm leaving.

00:34:10.000 It's like, OK, then I assume you have nothing behind what you're saying.

00:34:12.000 Right.

00:34:13.000 And I'll tell you what else, too, because early on, he said, like, how do I win?

00:34:16.000 I said ballot harvesting.

00:34:17.000 But I got to say, man, if this, like, why would someone vote for this?

00:34:21.000 Right.

00:34:22.000 That's what's already been mentioned in the Super Chats as well.

00:34:24.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, someone actually said, why would I vote for a guy who's, you know, gonna act this way?

00:34:28.000 Or, like, trust nuclear codes or something.

00:34:30.000 I haven't read it, actually.

00:34:30.000 I don't know.

00:34:32.000 Anna Claire's here.

00:34:36.000 Go over there.

00:34:36.000 I'm gonna be Kanye.

00:34:37.000 This is cool.

00:34:38.000 So, uh, it's Ye.

00:34:40.000 Oh, sorry.

00:34:40.000 It's Ye.

00:34:41.000 Oh my gosh.

00:34:42.000 Did I just deadname him?

00:34:43.000 That's rough, man.

00:34:43.000 Mary's here.

00:34:44.000 So what happened?

00:34:45.000 Tell me what's going on outside.

00:34:47.000 Um, so Kanye and Milo are departing.

00:34:50.000 Ye.

00:34:51.000 He is gonna beat me up.

00:34:52.000 Um, so Milo and Nick and Ye are departing.

00:34:57.000 They all just caught a car.

00:34:59.000 They caught a car.

00:34:59.000 They're heading out.

00:35:01.000 They don't seem angry, but they just... Kanye specifically said that he felt as though he should have been able to keep talking.

00:35:09.000 He feels like not enough people are expressing this view, and he felt like, sorry, I just ran upstairs, I can't talk.

00:35:15.000 He felt like perhaps cutting him off was not a good move.

00:35:21.000 Milo felt like you were obstinately not getting the point that everyone in the room was getting.

00:35:27.000 They weren't explaining it.

00:35:28.000 I think that they should have stayed to explain it.

00:35:31.000 I wish they had been able to stay to explain it.

00:35:32.000 Before the show, when I said, guys, I understand you want to talk about that.

00:35:36.000 We have an opportunity to discuss this big news.

00:35:39.000 Can we talk about the news before we, and then we'll focus on what Ye 24 is and what you want to do.

00:35:45.000 But I think this is the problem with grievance politics.

00:35:50.000 Instead of being like, here's my plan for America, it's, they're the problem. 0.63

00:35:54.000 They're the ones doing this.

00:35:55.000 Who?

00:35:56.000 How dare you?

00:35:58.000 Bro, tell me what your plan is.

00:35:59.000 Tell me what you want to accomplish.

00:36:01.000 Tell me exactly what your plan is, other than they're harming me, and they're bad people, and I refuse to sit and listen to anyone who would say otherwise.

00:36:08.000 Yeah, I think one of the major challenges about TimCast as a format show is that it's not an interview.

00:36:13.000 It's the thing that I love about this program, which is, like, you may be an expert in something, but what we really want is for you to come here and talk about the news with us, talk about current events.

00:36:22.000 And while, you know, I think we're all really excited to hear more about, like, all three of these people's perspective on stuff, like, it's hard to... They can't help it.

00:36:22.000 Discuss.

00:36:31.000 Yeah, it's not a monologue.

00:36:32.000 They can't help it.

00:36:34.000 It's not that, it's like, hey guys, can we talk about the news before getting into how you feel behind it?

00:36:40.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:36:41.000 You guys didn't even really get into the dinner.

00:36:43.000 Because he jumps immediately into, he wants to talk about Jews.

00:36:46.000 And I'm like, are you kidding, dude?

00:36:48.000 And I said, you want to go right into that?

00:36:49.000 Fine, whatever, so be it.

00:36:51.000 But if dude can't handle a conversation about it, it's insane to me.

00:36:55.000 Look, it's reality.

00:36:57.000 I'm not sure what he was referring to that happened this morning.

00:37:00.000 He said he found out they want to put him in jail.

00:37:02.000 But what exactly does that mean?

00:37:04.000 Well, it sounds like what he was saying was he found out this morning that they're saying he owes taxes.

00:37:10.000 And that if he doesn't pay them, they're going to lock him up or something.

00:37:13.000 And then the thing that he walked out on was you asked him to clarify who you meant by they, specifically.

00:37:18.000 That's pretty clear.

00:37:19.000 Oh, right.

00:37:19.000 Because I said... You were saying they as in the corporate media.

00:37:22.000 I don't use the word they the same way that you mean it.

00:37:25.000 And then he got up and he stormed out.

00:37:26.000 That's basically it.

00:37:28.000 That's crazy!

00:37:30.000 That's a shame.

00:37:31.000 I wish that you guys had gotten to have the conversation you wanted to have.

00:37:35.000 They don't want to have it.

00:37:36.000 I feel bad for the audience, honestly, because I feel like that could have been a really interesting conversation and now we're in a position where I am yay.

00:37:42.000 Who is sitting here?

00:37:44.000 I don't remember who was sitting in that seat.

00:37:47.000 Nick Fuentes.

00:37:47.000 I'm Nick Fuentes, guys.

00:37:50.000 Don't we look great?

00:37:51.000 No, I mean... What do you think's gonna happen?

00:37:55.000 He did say that he would be back.

00:37:58.000 Tonight?

00:37:59.000 No, not back tonight.

00:38:01.000 Maybe he'll come back on the show?

00:38:02.000 Maybe in the future at some point.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, I doubt it.

00:38:05.000 Dude, I mean, look, man, people... How did pre-show go?

00:38:08.000 What was the vibe in here beforehand?

00:38:10.000 It was fine.

00:38:10.000 It was good.

00:38:11.000 And we should have just filmed the pre-show because they didn't even talk about this shit. 1.00

00:38:16.000 No, I'm swearing. 0.99

00:38:17.000 We were talking about, like, it was religious philosophy, plans for the future, and I was like, this is really interesting stuff.

00:38:25.000 I know they have these views, obviously, and people are texting me about it.

00:38:29.000 And I'm like, okay, here's what we do.

00:38:34.000 Look, all they did was remove themselves from the conversation.

00:38:40.000 They had an opportunity to explain what was going on and why, and all that happened is it seemed like Ye came in here and just went for every possible way to make himself look worse.

00:38:50.000 So what was, like, your burning question for this?

00:38:53.000 Like, you knew they would probably bring this stuff up.

00:38:54.000 You knew identity politics are definitely on the table.

00:38:56.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:38:57.000 But that's why I was like, I want to know what happened.

00:39:00.000 Like, even before they got here, I was like, guys, we want to know about the dinner.

00:39:03.000 Like, I'm hearing a lot of rumors.

00:39:05.000 I'm hearing that, you know, what was it?

00:39:07.000 Like, Ye asked Trump to be his VP or something.

00:39:11.000 Why was Fuentes at the dinner with Trump?

00:39:13.000 What did Trump say?

00:39:14.000 Is this true?

00:39:15.000 Trump didn't know he was.

00:39:16.000 Well, he said Trump didn't know who Fuentes was.

00:39:18.000 That's what I want to understand.

00:39:19.000 What is Trump doing?

00:39:20.000 Why is everybody denouncing Trump right now?

00:39:22.000 Is this a legitimate criticism of Trump?

00:39:24.000 Apparently, now it is.

00:39:25.000 Apparently, absolutely.

00:39:27.000 The report that Trump began deriding Kim Kardashian during that dinner seemed very strange.

00:39:34.000 I have no idea why he would do that.

00:39:36.000 I feel like there's no way to know about this dinner without the three people who just left this room, which is unfortunate because that kind of dinner can affect so many people, right?

00:39:45.000 There are Americans across the country who will be affected by the conversations they had.

00:39:49.000 I would have loved to see the transparency and kind of know what's going on.

00:39:52.000 And it's unfortunate that we couldn't progress further in that conversation,

00:39:56.000 whether or not, you know, we all would have seen eye to eye during it.

00:40:00.000 I can't believe he got so mad so quick.

00:40:02.000 I am.

00:40:03.000 Maybe he wasn't mad.

00:40:03.000 I don't know.

00:40:05.000 He didn't really seem mad when he was down there.

00:40:07.000 He just seemed uncomfortable.

00:40:09.000 I don't know.

00:40:09.000 It's so weird.

00:40:10.000 I just feel like he's someone who has values and it seemed like he felt like he wasn't, you know, I know he and Luke had sort of gone back and forth.

00:40:10.000 I don't get it, man.

00:40:18.000 He said, you gotta let me finish my thought.

00:40:20.000 Maybe he felt like this conversation was sort of being structured in a way that wasn't letting him express himself.

00:40:27.000 It's not the format that he's used to, which is like a one-on-one.

00:40:30.000 That's what I mean by like you, I think people aren't always ready to come onto the show because you are responding to current events.

00:40:37.000 You are not being interviewed in a traditional way.

00:40:41.000 People don't get this too because we had, we've had people on the show Who end up not talking about their specialties or anything like that.

00:40:49.000 So, like, someone might do a show on video games and then come on the show and talk politics.

00:40:52.000 Right.

00:40:53.000 And it's like, right, because that's what we do.

00:40:55.000 So, for example, shout out to our good friend Blair White. 0.99

00:40:58.000 Blair White pointed out that on the last show we did, she was like, actually, every time you've had me on, we've never talked about trans stuff.

00:41:04.000 And I was like, yeah, we talk current events and politics.

00:41:06.000 And you're an individual who has opinions on it.

00:41:08.000 That's what we do.

00:41:08.000 I just talk to them outside.

00:41:10.000 They're in the car.

00:41:11.000 They're leaving?

00:41:12.000 And I'm like, let's let the best idea win.

00:41:14.000 You don't owe us anything.

00:41:16.000 Let's have this conversation.

00:41:17.000 And essentially he said, you know, you don't believe in my truths.

00:41:22.000 Like, this is my truth.

00:41:23.000 You guys are denying it.

00:41:24.000 And I don't want to have this conversation.

00:41:25.000 That sounds like leftist.

00:41:27.000 That sounds like woke BS.

00:41:29.000 And I'm like, look, I disagree with you.

00:41:30.000 Like, and that's okay.

00:41:31.000 It's not the end of the world.

00:41:32.000 But we invited you on knowing you.

00:41:33.000 And if you think you're right, explain it to us.

00:41:35.000 That's what I said.

00:41:36.000 I was just running up and down.

00:41:37.000 That's what I'm like disappointed by.

00:41:38.000 I wanted to hear more from each person at the table about just what they're doing and what their vision is because even if you don't agree with them, they're really interesting and they are doing some really big things.

00:41:48.000 Did he make any suggestion at all that he would come back at some point?

00:41:52.000 No.

00:41:53.000 No, he's like, I don't want to have a conversation with you guys because you guys, you know, essentially don't see the bigger truth of what he has.

00:41:59.000 I'm like, those are your truths.

00:42:01.000 Defend your side and let the best idea win.

00:42:04.000 Let's at least continue the dialogue and conversation because people are going to look at you right now and they're going to say, you can't have a debate.

00:42:09.000 You can't even have a conversation.

00:42:10.000 That's what I told them.

00:42:11.000 But did Nick or Milo say anything back?

00:42:13.000 They're just kind of snickering and laughing in the back.

00:42:15.000 I'm like, we had this big opportunity right here to have this discussion, to debate it, to talk about it, and they're just like, no, it's not going to work.

00:42:26.000 That's all right.

00:42:26.000 I'm like, fine.

00:42:30.000 It is what we complain about with wokeness and grievance politics.

00:42:33.000 It's my truth.

00:42:34.000 He told me he wants to work with me on food.

00:42:37.000 And I'm like, literally, he's like, I really want to work with you on the food, but with this stuff, I'm just done.

00:42:47.000 I don't want to have this conversation.

00:42:49.000 It's like, I want to know what this conversation would have been.

00:42:49.000 I feel like it's hard.

00:42:52.000 I feel like without it, like, it's all speculation and it's a real missed opportunity, I think, for everyone involved here.

00:42:58.000 Like, even if you feel like you're gonna butt heads, we've had guests on who are definitely opposed to both of you at the table, who are definitely willing to push back on things you're saying, and like, it makes the show better.

00:43:11.000 I think it's better for everyone when you have tension in the room to a certain degree.

00:43:17.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

00:43:18.000 says Nick and Milo set up yay.

00:43:21.000 Set him up for what, exactly?

00:43:22.000 To walk out of our studio.

00:43:25.000 At least he came at all.

00:43:26.000 There are a lot of leftists, I'm sure, who wouldn't have even sat at this table.

00:43:29.000 Before the show started, I was calling Milo, Lord Varys.

00:43:33.000 And he was screaming, don't call me now!

00:43:35.000 And I'm like, okay, Lord Varys.

00:43:35.000 Stop it!

00:43:37.000 And there's an aspect of this that I think is worth kind of considering when it comes to the kind of setting up, the kind of larger things happening behind the scenes here that I think is worth thinking about that, you know, we sadly don't get a preview into.

00:43:51.000 Well, I had a bunch of questions, right?

00:43:53.000 So we'll talk about those questions.

00:43:55.000 I'll answer them on Kanye's behalf.

00:43:57.000 No, I think Milo is a genius.

00:44:01.000 Just because, but you know, Milo's a very, very smart guy.

00:44:03.000 And he's extremely funny.

00:44:06.000 And he's very, very witty. 0.99

00:44:07.000 And I think the most, the stupidest thing the establishment did was cancel him. 0.99

00:44:11.000 The stupidest thing Republicans did was cancel him because This is Milo's revenge. 1.00

00:44:16.000 Milo said on the show last time he was here that Trump supporters wanted revenge. 0.98

00:44:20.000 And now the narrative going around is that what's happened with Nick Fuentes at Trump's dinner and with Ye is revenge on Trump because Trump's reeling from this.

00:44:29.000 So, you know what I'll do?

00:44:31.000 Let's pull this up.

00:44:33.000 Take a look at this tweet.

00:44:34.000 We'll get some segments out of this.

00:44:37.000 Igor Bobik.

00:44:38.000 He is a, what is he, senior politics reporter, Huffington Post.

00:44:41.000 You know we love Huffington Post.

00:44:42.000 He says, GOP Senator Thune on Trump, Fuentes dinner.

00:44:45.000 That's just a bad idea on every level.

00:44:47.000 Then he's got, what is it, Frank Thorpe, we cannot tolerate antisemitism.

00:44:50.000 It's bad, says Cornyn, blunt.

00:44:52.000 I've been tired about responding about what President Trump did.

00:44:56.000 I wouldn't want to have dinner with either of those guys. 0.98

00:44:58.000 Ernst, I think it's ridiculous.

00:44:59.000 The point is, every single Republican is now coming after Trump over having done this.

00:45:05.000 And Milo's the one who connected it.

00:45:07.000 So I'd love to ask Milo, you said years ago that you wanted revenge over the treatment that you received after being cancelled.

00:45:15.000 Is this it?

00:45:18.000 He's such an interesting figure for a lot of reasons, but it's hard not to think in the years that they canceled him, sent him back, he just sort of became more powerful and is now acting on some sort of master plan.

00:45:28.000 I mean, this candidacy, Kanye's potential run for president is disruptive to the party.

00:45:35.000 It is the same way that any third party candidate entering a race can siphon off votes.

00:45:41.000 We don't know what will happen.

00:45:43.000 I think to respond to my good conservative friends who are messaging me like, Tim, don't have these people on.

00:45:46.000 They're bad people.

00:45:47.000 I think you should all invite them on.

00:45:47.000 No, no, no.

00:45:48.000 about if Kanye moves forward, what happens with the Santas?

00:45:51.000 They really do control a lot of the narrative right now, and I think a lot of that is to Milo's credit.

00:45:58.000 I think to respond to my good conservative friends who are messaging me like,

00:46:02.000 Tim, don't have these people on, they're bad people. No, no, no. I think you should all

00:46:05.000 invite them on. Because I think if anything is bad for their ideas, it's exactly what just happened.

00:46:10.000 Yeah.

00:46:11.000 And yeah, when he first came here, was sincerely asking, like, hey, how do I become president of the United States?

00:46:18.000 I'm like, we're not politicians.

00:46:20.000 We're not, you know, advisors here.

00:46:22.000 But, you know, we gave him some answers.

00:46:24.000 But he was asking that question a lot.

00:46:26.000 It does seem like it's something that he seriously wants to, you know, do.

00:46:32.000 Talking to Milo, Milo was like, you know, we can't say certain things because of the FCC.

00:46:37.000 But, you know, this is what we're, you know, kind of essentially How is it that we basically had an hour conversation in this room, the pre-show, as we're getting camera and lighting corrected, and it had nothing to do with any of that stuff?

00:46:48.000 Right.

00:46:48.000 Talking about religion, talking about philosophy, talking about, you know, what it means for a potential campaign if they have one.

00:46:54.000 And I'm like, this is cool stuff.

00:46:55.000 This is going to be a good conversation.

00:46:56.000 And then the first thing in five minutes, he's like, I want to talk about Jews.

00:46:59.000 I mean, do you think it's like the first thing out the bat?

00:47:02.000 I'm like, come on.

00:47:03.000 Was it on purpose?

00:47:04.000 Do you think it's that some people come into interviews knowing, like, they're going to they're going to ask me about this?

00:47:08.000 Because I'm sure, Kanye or Ye, I'm so bad at this.

00:47:13.000 But I'm sure a lot of people go into interviews, especially when you're that big a figure with a target on your back, thinking like some journalist is going to sit here and get me comfortable and then hit me with one of these questions that makes me look bad.

00:47:24.000 I think in some ways it must be at the forefront of your mind going into an interview like this is the topic that everyone actually wants me to talk about.

00:47:30.000 I don't even think you were going to ask about that.

00:47:32.000 I didn't think you were either.

00:47:33.000 About what stuff?

00:47:34.000 About his views on Jewish power.

00:47:37.000 You were going to mainly ask about the news.

00:47:41.000 I had a bunch of people say to me, Tim, you need to denounce them right off the bat.

00:47:47.000 And I was like, oh, that's so tired.

00:47:49.000 Like, bro, anybody who watches my show and who's honest knows that I don't care for identitarianism, racism, antisemitism.

00:47:57.000 But Kanye West is one of the most influential guys on the planet.

00:47:59.000 He's got people who genuinely love and respect him.

00:48:01.000 And he's got a bunch of ideas pertaining to what it means to run for president, what he wants to do, and why he thinks he's the best.

00:48:07.000 So I'm gonna talk to him about that.

00:48:08.000 And then I said, even before the show, I was like, who are we kidding, guys?

00:48:11.000 I know this is gonna come up, but, you know, we'll talk about it.

00:48:14.000 And they were like, we get it, we get it.

00:48:16.000 Well, I think they never even signed the portraits.

00:48:19.000 I think it's kind of like when they're skipping protocol.

00:48:24.000 No, it reminds me of the times that we've had Marjorie Taylor Greene on, right?

00:48:28.000 Some people will hear that you're having her on and say, you can't do that.

00:48:32.000 She's controversial. 1.00

00:48:33.000 She does bad things. 0.84

00:48:34.000 I don't like her.

00:48:35.000 And ultimately, Especially if you have some kind of tension against someone, hearing them out and getting their perspective is the best way to form your opinion accurately.

00:48:44.000 And often, especially I've known with Marjorie Taylor Crean, we've had people be like, I just sort of wrote you off because of all the headlines about you.

00:48:50.000 But getting to hear your side and getting to your perspective has really altered my view.

00:48:54.000 Maybe it doesn't make you a fan, maybe it does make you a fan.

00:48:56.000 Hold on, like all the media that are like, de-platform, de-platform, it's like, was that not a good display of the depth of their ideology?

00:49:06.000 None.

00:49:07.000 Unable to withstand five minutes of questions.

00:49:10.000 I wasn't mean.

00:49:11.000 I did not insult him.

00:49:13.000 We talked beforehand, and I was like, well, what do you mean by that?

00:49:15.000 I don't, you know, I don't use the word they the way you mean.

00:49:17.000 I'm talking about like, and he just gets up and walks out.

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 Like, he doesn't want to hear what I have to say about my ideas, but I have to sit here and listen to him.

00:49:23.000 You know, you know what I think, man?

00:49:25.000 There's a reason why Ye is who he is.

00:49:27.000 They say that celebrities All of them tend to have some degree of narcissism.

00:49:33.000 They feel that they should be seen by everybody, and thus, they end up putting themselves out more, which increases the likelihood of fame and notoriety.

00:49:41.000 Yours truly included.

00:49:41.000 I don't think I'm exempt for any of this stuff.

00:49:43.000 I'm sitting here pointing a camera at my face, talking to it all the time, and I talk a whole lot.

00:49:47.000 But I think Ye is a guy who has risen to this position because he's assertive and because he's willing to do something like that.

00:49:54.000 Imagine you're talking to a guy who's got a billion dollar shoe empire and you know that if you say the wrong thing he's out and you've lost everything.

00:50:01.000 Yeah, he owns the conversation.

00:50:02.000 He does.

00:50:04.000 So that works for him in business.

00:50:06.000 Does not work for him in politics.

00:50:08.000 You're not going to get a single vote if you're going to storm out and not do anything for anybody.

00:50:11.000 You know, there's a lot of things to kind of break down and talk about here.

00:50:15.000 I have my own theories and assertions, and if you guys don't go along with it, I'm like, yeah, that's totally cool.

00:50:20.000 That's totally fine.

00:50:21.000 It's not the end of the day.

00:50:22.000 But I think it's also fair to say that he's going through a tremendous amount of pressure, a lot of stress.

00:50:28.000 And I think when he was, you know, institutionalized and drugged in 2016, I think there might be still, you know, I again, I don't know here, I'm speculating, maybe some larger effects here, maybe he still hasn't recovered from that, you know, SSRIs and was it lithium that he was talking about, you know, those drugs have have a severe effect on you and could affect your decision making.

00:50:51.000 So, you know, Well, I don't want to discredit him with that, like the mental health stuff, because a lot of people have said that you can't listen to anything Ye says because he's mentally ill, or he's off his meds, all of that stuff is just ad hominem.

00:51:07.000 I think, you know, he's a 45-year-old man, he's extremely influential, powerful, he can make his own decisions, and I think that he made the wrong one tonight by walking out.

00:51:19.000 Absolutely.

00:51:20.000 I'm just saying that this deserves also... Your life is really weird, Tim.

00:51:23.000 You guys are here, too.

00:51:25.000 Don't look at me.

00:51:25.000 It's weird for all of us.

00:51:28.000 I really wish that they had signed the portraits.

00:51:30.000 It really hurts me, my perfectionist brain.

00:51:33.000 Well, what can you do?

00:51:34.000 But it's not that they were off the meds.

00:51:36.000 It's that they were forcefully put on the meds.

00:51:37.000 And when you look at a lot of people that are forcefully drugged, you do see a lot of long-term negative consequences and actions.

00:51:43.000 Again, I'm not trying to excuse anything, but I think it's worth a discussion.

00:51:47.000 Especially when it comes to this Harley Pasternak individual, the larger effects of this, the threats that were being made against him, the pressure he talked about, you know, going through a particular difficult—before the show began—a difficult situation with the divorce and custody with children.

00:52:04.000 So, yeah, tremendous amount of pressure and stress.

00:52:06.000 No excuses for anything.

00:52:08.000 Hey, let's debate these conversations.

00:52:10.000 Let's debate these ideas.

00:52:11.000 Clearly, that didn't happen.

00:52:12.000 Clearly, he wasn't ready.

00:52:13.000 Some people are saying the whole thing was planned.

00:52:16.000 I feel like him walking out or that you wanted him to walk out.

00:52:20.000 Did they have a car ready?

00:52:21.000 No.

00:52:22.000 They were in the truck.

00:52:23.000 They were waiting for the car.

00:52:24.000 No, they didn't have a car ready.

00:52:25.000 I mean, I honestly, you know, as much as I want this conversation, I want it for the

00:52:29.000 company and I want it for the audience.

00:52:31.000 I have a piece of, like, I have some respect for someone who's like, look, I'm done.

00:52:37.000 I think so often we are in a culture that demands people continue to talk all the time, and if you don't want to, you don't have to.

00:52:45.000 I am just sad that we didn't get to hear what happened at Mar-a-Lago.

00:52:49.000 I am sad that we didn't get to hear more of these perspectives, because this is such an interesting trio of people, and it was worth hearing.

00:52:57.000 It is worth knowing, because all we can do now is speculate.

00:52:59.000 Imagine sitting down with Trump, too, right?

00:53:01.000 Trump, he's walked out on some, but I don't think he would walk out like that.

00:53:06.000 Yeah, I wanna hear his version of events of what happened here.

00:53:08.000 Let's bring him on and find out.

00:53:09.000 Yeah, Trump, you gotta come on now because... There's also a lot of other reports saying that he was screaming at that particular dinner with Nick there, that there was a big argument, that there was yelling.

00:53:20.000 That was the point of bringing these guys on.

00:53:21.000 Yeah.

00:53:22.000 Not to, like, have him opine on his thoughts about an entire body of people that everyone's already heard before.

00:53:27.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:53:27.000 He, like, likened this to a Lex Fridman interview.

00:53:30.000 It's like, bro, we're not here to talk to you about that.

00:53:32.000 We're here to talk to you about your plans, man.

00:53:34.000 I told him this before the show, and I say this, you know, I don't think Ye's crazy.

00:53:38.000 Some people are like, maybe he's bipolar.

00:53:40.000 It's like, dude, we were talking to him before the show.

00:53:42.000 He was of complete sound mind.

00:53:44.000 He's just emotional.

00:53:45.000 Like, would you do something different?

00:53:47.000 Like, you led off tonight with a story about Mar-a-Lago.

00:53:49.000 Would you have led off with something else?

00:53:51.000 I'm just curious, because then you're introducing our format.

00:53:54.000 This is why I think, you know, someone super chatted saying they think that this thing was staged, a publicity stunt, because walking out generates more press, because it gives the press something to write about.

00:54:03.000 If they didn't storm off, the press would have been like, here are a few things they said.

00:54:07.000 But by storming off, now there's a story about, yay, just throwing up and leaving, and that generates press.

00:54:13.000 So it's like, But it's not positive press if you're looking for political credibility.

00:54:18.000 I think that part of the reason he walked out and he's this emotionally stressed out right now is because he has the soul of an artist and not of a politician, and that's usually a good thing, actually.

00:54:32.000 Well, if there's one thing we know from Milo, he understands that any press is good press, and he kind of utilizes that to his personal benefit.

00:54:42.000 I don't know, maybe he thought if there was a debate, maybe things wouldn't have not looked as good here, and I don't know.

00:54:49.000 I don't think this is staged.

00:54:50.000 I mean, I think we knew going in that we were going to have Five enormous personalities in this room.

00:54:56.000 Serge, I'm sorry about that one, buddy, but you're much more low-key.

00:54:59.000 And that anyone was bound to become more tense.

00:55:03.000 It's just, it was a question of how this dynamic would play out, and I'm, again, sorry that it played out this way, because it leaves so many questions on the table.

00:55:11.000 I just don't want to speculate about mental health or the effect of pills, or I don't believe this was staged, but like, whatever happened, I just think that it would have been an interesting conversation.

00:55:21.000 Do you think you want to ask him to come back?

00:55:23.000 At some point in the future?

00:55:25.000 Not tonight.

00:55:25.000 No.

00:55:26.000 I'm not gonna ask him to come back, dude.

00:55:27.000 He doesn't owe me anything.

00:55:29.000 He doesn't have to sit on my show.

00:55:30.000 He can leave whenever he wants.

00:55:31.000 So, let's be candid. 0.96

00:55:34.000 Before the show, I get a bunch of people saying, like, are you crazy? 0.80

00:55:36.000 Don't—the conservatives. 0.92

00:55:38.000 Don't host these people. 0.99

00:55:38.000 They're trolls. 0.99

00:55:39.000 They're anti-Semite. 0.99

00:55:40.000 How could you platform them?

00:55:42.000 There's Republicans saying, like, we don't believe in platforming these people.

00:55:44.000 And I'm like, oh, okay, like when Antifa showed up to Ann Coulter's thing.

00:55:47.000 I get it.

00:55:48.000 That was more violent.

00:55:49.000 But dude, don't tell me about deplatforming people that are in the news on a big story, because that means nothing to me.

00:55:54.000 Why are they there?

00:55:55.000 Why are they meeting with Trump?

00:55:56.000 I want to know.

00:55:57.000 And if you don't want to know, that's on you.

00:55:59.000 But I don't take this whole deplatforming thing.

00:56:01.000 That being said, right now you've got people saying, Tim, you screwed up, it's your fault. 0.98

00:56:05.000 Then I've got people saying, wow, he's a crybaby.

00:56:07.000 I've got people saying, you handed it masterfully.

00:56:10.000 Masterfully, I've got people saying, you did a miserable job, why didn't you?

00:56:13.000 You played it wrong.

00:56:14.000 I don't care, guys.

00:56:15.000 There's nothing I can do.

00:56:16.000 I am who I am.

00:56:17.000 Before the show, people were like, have you been preparing?

00:56:19.000 Have you been doing research?

00:56:20.000 And I'm like, what does that mean?

00:56:22.000 Like, all I know is, I told them what the show is.

00:56:24.000 I told them what the plan is.

00:56:26.000 I said, if you want to talk about that stuff, we should probably save it closer to the end, because we want to talk about the news.

00:56:31.000 It's what we do on this show.

00:56:32.000 Ye didn't want to do it.

00:56:32.000 He doesn't have to do it.

00:56:34.000 He doesn't owe me anything.

00:56:34.000 He's a rich guy.

00:56:35.000 He can do whatever he wants.

00:56:36.000 He got up and he left.

00:56:37.000 So be it.

00:56:38.000 Yeah.

00:56:40.000 That's what it is.

00:56:40.000 So your ultimate goal for this conversation was to talk about Mar-a-Lago.

00:56:47.000 Did you feel like at any point today you got any information or any insight into how that dinner went?

00:56:52.000 Well, we know Ye said Trump didn't know Fuentes.

00:56:55.000 I think that's significant.

00:56:56.000 I mean, that basically threw Trump a life raft.

00:57:00.000 Trump was reeling from this, being accused of all of these things, and now Ye basically came out and confirmed, actually Trump didn't know who he was, I brought him there.

00:57:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:07.000 I thought Milo set it up.

00:57:08.000 Yeah, he's like, no, that was me.

00:57:09.000 And then I got in touch with Milo and Milo brought this guy and Trump didn't know who it was.

00:57:12.000 I'm like, oh, okay.

00:57:12.000 So, well, okay then.

00:57:15.000 Maybe that's why they didn't want me to do the show with them because they were going to realize that Trump actually wasn't at fault.

00:57:15.000 All right.

00:57:19.000 No.

00:57:20.000 Well, there you go.

00:57:20.000 Does it change your opinion of like, I know you've been following kind of speculation about that dinner and speculation about, uh, Ye's campaign.

00:57:28.000 I keep on calling him the wrong name.

00:57:29.000 Does it, does this change, like how you feel about this as a potential influence on 2024?

00:57:37.000 You know what, man?

00:57:38.000 I've heard a lot of people say that Ye could win.

00:57:42.000 And for a lot of reasons.

00:57:43.000 Like I mentioned, because he's a celebrity and regular people know and like him.

00:57:48.000 But not if that's, that's not presidential.

00:57:51.000 Ye's a lot of things.

00:57:53.000 He's a smart guy. 0.77

00:57:54.000 They say he's crazy.

00:57:55.000 I'm gonna tell you, we were downstairs calmly discussing things.

00:57:59.000 The dude is not crazy.

00:58:00.000 Definitely not. 0.53

00:58:01.000 Emotional, maybe arrogant, sure.

00:58:03.000 A lot of high profile people are.

00:58:05.000 You can accuse me of that, I'm sure.

00:58:07.000 And I think what happened now is a display of, he doesn't need anything from me.

00:58:12.000 Right.

00:58:13.000 He doesn't.

00:58:14.000 And so if he doesn't get what he wants, he's done.

00:58:15.000 So what do you think of the role of celebrities in American politics?

00:58:20.000 Like, obviously we've had, when Trump ran for office, this is like how most Americans knew him, right?

00:58:26.000 He was the celebrity apprentice.

00:58:28.000 He was a TV host.

00:58:29.000 Like, do we think there is a market in American politics for people who have influence but are not necessarily trained

00:58:36.000 politicians?

00:58:37.000 I just want to add this comment because we were talking about this when it was just the

00:58:41.000 the it was just me, you, um, Ye, and I think uh Cassandra and he talked about specifically

00:58:48.000 how Donald Trump was like the Michael Jordan of politics because he he he uh he changed

00:58:54.000 the NBA and made it something totally different.

00:58:56.000 it.

00:58:57.000 And he was specifically referring to how the political game has been changed, how it is totally different, how it's not just, you know, predominantly obeying and worshiping a certain political politician that changes his tone when he's with a certain group So I think it's going to be interesting to see how this future campaign is going to be unfolding, because right now it doesn't look promising.

00:59:18.000 I don't know if any campaign will unfold.

00:59:21.000 That's yet to be seen.

00:59:22.000 Well, that's not from, you know, the information we got from... I want to give a shout out to Danny Polishchuk.

00:59:28.000 Am I pronouncing your name wrong?

00:59:28.000 Danny.

00:59:29.000 We've had him on the show before.

00:59:30.000 He's a good dude.

00:59:31.000 He's funny.

00:59:31.000 He says, crazy that the one thing Kanye has been talking about for two months somehow got brought up on the show.

00:59:37.000 We never could have expected it.

00:59:37.000 I know.

00:59:38.000 I don't know what we were thinking.

00:59:39.000 Yeah, we knew.

00:59:40.000 We knew exactly what was going to come up.

00:59:42.000 And I told them outright.

00:59:43.000 I literally said to them, like, if you guys want to bring that stuff up, I'm not going to sit there and let you just say whatever you want.

00:59:48.000 And they're like, we know, we know, we know.

00:59:50.000 And I was like, who am I kidding?

00:59:52.000 It's going to come up.

00:59:53.000 But we have an opportunity to talk about the news.

00:59:54.000 And they're like, right, right, okay.

00:59:56.000 Yeah, he didn't want to do it.

00:59:57.000 No, it's on him.

00:59:59.000 I feel like people levy against you.

01:00:01.000 Sometimes they'll call you anti-Semitic or they'll call you far-right.

01:00:04.000 Me?

01:00:04.000 Yeah, I feel like people level... Well, they call you negative things.

01:00:08.000 Like, how do you deal with it?

01:00:09.000 If someone was in an interview and was like... There's a news outlet that tried calling me alt-right and had issued an apology and a retraction.

01:00:14.000 So you go after them.

01:00:16.000 They were like, Tim Pool, who is mixed race, is not alt-right.

01:00:18.000 We apologize for those statements.

01:00:20.000 So is that generally like if you're in an interview and someone's starting to kind of push back against you like is what's your protocol?

01:00:27.000 Like if someone accuses me of something that it's not true or whatever?

01:00:27.000 For what?

01:00:29.000 Yeah or is like you often talk about this and we don't agree with it.

01:00:35.000 Okay.

01:00:36.000 You just let it go?

01:00:37.000 What am I supposed to say?

01:00:38.000 Like, I think it's funny.

01:00:40.000 Gizmodo reported May of, I think it was like 2018, that conservatives were being censored on Facebook.

01:00:46.000 And so then I'm on Twitter like, wow, look at this, conservatives are being censored on Facebook.

01:00:49.000 And they're like, Tim Pool falsely believes conservatives are being censored on Facebook.

01:00:52.000 And I'm like, wait, what?

01:00:53.000 Yo, I believe what I believe.

01:00:54.000 I said that the Kyle Rittenhouse story was one of the things that convinced me to vote for Donald Trump, because I saw how insane things were getting, and this was so extremely dire.

01:01:01.000 And it was, you know, a lot of factors.

01:01:05.000 And then I get the media reporting, like, negatively that I said that.

01:01:08.000 I'm like, I don't care if you view it negatively.

01:01:10.000 I literally said that.

01:01:11.000 Trump pinned the tweet to his page.

01:01:13.000 You know, if it matters to me, I'll talk about it.

01:01:13.000 It mattered to me.

01:01:15.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 I think, like, the thing that I've always known from being around you is, like, you... There's protests in China.

01:01:21.000 Is that because of you?

01:01:22.000 There's a lot of protests in China.

01:01:23.000 Because of this?

01:01:24.000 We're so influential!

01:01:25.000 Let's go!

01:01:27.000 No?

01:01:28.000 They're just, like, fact-checking you everywhere.

01:01:29.000 We're gonna put you on The View, Hannah.

01:01:31.000 You better stop right now.

01:01:32.000 I don't like this at all.

01:01:34.000 No, I mean, what about you, Luke?

01:01:36.000 I feel like people push back on you all the time.

01:01:38.000 Have you ever walked out of an interview?

01:01:40.000 No.

01:01:41.000 But again, if you're going to say some crazy stuff, be prepared to back it up.

01:01:46.000 Have some facts.

01:01:47.000 You're going to make some claims.

01:01:49.000 Back it up.

01:01:50.000 Let's have a debate.

01:01:50.000 Let's have a conversation.

01:01:51.000 Let the best idea win. 0.97

01:01:53.000 That didn't happen today, and that just sucks.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, you know what, man? 0.98

01:01:59.000 He reacted as if you led the interview like, so you're anti-semitic.

01:02:05.000 I know, he kind of set it up himself from the very beginning.

01:02:08.000 He's like, I don't know if we should do this.

01:02:10.000 I'm just going to do this.

01:02:11.000 And I'm like, why are you setting this up this way?

01:02:13.000 There was no setup.

01:02:14.000 To be fair, his setup.

01:02:16.000 I probably should have said, I probably should have been like, yay, I hear you, man.

01:02:20.000 I respect the story you're getting to.

01:02:22.000 You want to hold off on that for a little bit.

01:02:23.000 Maybe we'll talk about the news and then we can bring this stuff up.

01:02:25.000 He probably would have been like, all right.

01:02:27.000 I feel like there was a semantic issue here when you used the term they, and then we had everyone sit up and be like, can we use the English language?

01:02:35.000 Let's just keep going with the conversation here, team.

01:02:37.000 Let's keep moving on.

01:02:39.000 Who do I mean by they?

01:02:41.000 We should have been like, no!

01:02:42.000 No!

01:02:44.000 As soon as he said, I shouldn't do this.

01:02:46.000 Like, yes, you shouldn't.

01:02:47.000 Stop.

01:02:48.000 Wait.

01:02:49.000 Now, wait, we're going to be talking about this.

01:02:50.000 Let's hold on.

01:02:51.000 This is work.

01:02:53.000 At this time, we usually go to super chats.

01:02:55.000 Right before that, I'll give you a nod and you can go and do whatever you need to talk about.

01:02:59.000 No, but then it would have, we would have, like, I would, like, there's things that I need to bring up and other people need to bring up that that's counter to some of their ideas that need to be talked about.

01:03:07.000 He didn't want to have a conversation.

01:03:09.000 He thought he was gonna come in here and be able to say whatever he wanted, uninterrupted and unimpeded, and no one would question him.

01:03:15.000 That's just not the real world.

01:03:17.000 Sorry, man.

01:03:18.000 I think Ye is a very smart guy.

01:03:20.000 And you know what's sad?

01:03:21.000 I said too.

01:03:22.000 Look, man, I get all that stuff, like the Fridman stuff. 0.99

01:03:26.000 It's stupid to keep bringing that up. 0.87

01:03:28.000 I had people call me, and they were like, Tim, the first thing you gotta do when you start this show is denounce anti-Semitism. 1.00

01:03:32.000 And I was like, oh, that's so dumb. 0.99

01:03:33.000 It's so tired. 0.98

01:03:34.000 And we talked about it and they were like, you think Ye's gonna be happy that you're coming out right away and being like, I denounce what you say.

01:03:40.000 And I'm like, everybody knows what he said.

01:03:43.000 Anybody honest knows I think it's bad.

01:03:45.000 I don't agree with him on it.

01:03:47.000 We need to talk about other things.

01:03:48.000 And you know what I said, I wanna talk about how you've succeeded in business.

01:03:51.000 Because we were talking earlier and one of the people who work here said, Ye's been able to go into every industry that's rejected him and flip it on its head and sort of take over.

01:03:59.000 And I'm like, I wanna hear that.

01:04:00.000 I wanna hear how it is that he's so influential.

01:04:04.000 It doesn't happen.

01:04:06.000 So it's like... It's not every personality who can do that.

01:04:08.000 Look, I've been to Antifa protests.

01:04:12.000 I was at Occupy Wall Street.

01:04:13.000 Luke was there, too.

01:04:14.000 This is the mentality that we have consistently argued against.

01:04:18.000 This is the same, like, you know, for the people who are fans of the show, how many people have stormed off the show?

01:04:24.000 I'm not gonna bring up these individuals, but y'all know.

01:04:26.000 It's not people who hold logical, classical, liberal views, who believe in meritocracy, or who believe in having a good idea.

01:04:33.000 It's people who emotionally believe a singular group of people are the cause of their problems.

01:04:37.000 They can't handle a discussion about it.

01:04:39.000 When you ask someone a question, I'll put it this way.

01:04:43.000 If someone doesn't have an answer to an ideology they assert, they typically retreat to an emotional response.

01:04:51.000 It's a defense mechanism.

01:04:53.000 I'm hurt by this person.

01:04:55.000 How did they hurt you?

01:04:56.000 How dare you deny my truth?

01:04:59.000 A logical person says, well, they robbed my house.

01:05:03.000 Is there a big difference between someone pointing to all white males being responsible for their problems to what other people making those statements as well?

01:05:11.000 Is there a big difference?

01:05:11.000 I don't think so as well.

01:05:13.000 I also feel partly responsible for this because I told Cassandra to get Kanye on the show.

01:05:20.000 I was responsible for the other guests that also there was almost a fistfight here with.

01:05:24.000 Leonard, bringing the controversy everywhere he goes.

01:05:27.000 Listen here, you want to be Hannah Montana.

01:05:32.000 I feel responsible, so I apologize.

01:05:32.000 What?

01:05:34.000 It's all my fault.

01:05:35.000 I'm sorry to the audience members for bringing this.

01:05:35.000 I don't get it.

01:05:38.000 Sorry for party rocking.

01:05:39.000 My Twitter DMs are lighting up right now from a bunch of high profile people that are commenting like they just destroyed themselves.

01:05:45.000 Like, It doesn't look good.

01:05:47.000 They did not defend their ideas.

01:05:49.000 They couldn't handle... Here's the thing, I'm getting criticized because they're like, Tim, why were you letting them say those things?

01:05:55.000 They barely pushed back.

01:05:56.000 They got like 10 words out.

01:05:58.000 No!

01:05:59.000 They were on for 12 minutes.

01:06:00.000 27, that's true.

01:06:00.000 27.

01:06:01.000 I don't think it was 27.

01:06:02.000 That's a good number.

01:06:03.000 I like that number.

01:06:04.000 Honestly, that's the mark.

01:06:06.000 Donald Trump, if you come on and can make it to 28, you win.

01:06:09.000 Set the new record.

01:06:10.000 We'll take it.

01:06:11.000 You can do it.

01:06:13.000 29, we basically let you stay in town this year.

01:06:14.000 No, but I think that's one of the best things that could have happened in this scenario.

01:06:19.000 If it was inevitable, if we were doomed to have them lock out, I don't believe it was Sage.

01:06:25.000 The best thing that you could have offered them was a platform.

01:06:27.000 That dinner is so interesting.

01:06:29.000 So many people want to know what happened.

01:06:30.000 And so many people want to hear from them.

01:06:33.000 This is a chance to get that side.

01:06:35.000 And it was presented to them.

01:06:36.000 You platformed them for them to be themselves.

01:06:39.000 But the truth is, it's true what Tim said.

01:06:41.000 They don't need this platform.

01:06:44.000 They could have used it to their advantage nonetheless, but they didn't need this platform.

01:06:48.000 He could have gone on any social media and said what he needed to say about this dinner.

01:06:53.000 But it's specifically the format that it's a conversation that matters, and yet the expectation was a monologue?

01:06:58.000 Well, and it's the news.

01:07:00.000 Like, that was one of the things I was really excited about was to, like, have you pull up the stories about, like, what's going on with the World Cup and hearing, you know, Ye respond to them.

01:07:08.000 Because again, if he is I'm sorry to do this.

01:07:13.000 I don't know a ton about his positions on things, so it really would have been interesting to hear someone who is potentially pursuing the office like that give his perspective because I'm sure they're interesting.

01:07:25.000 Kanye is a really interesting person.

01:07:29.000 He's a really unique thinker and I think that that is what we are all excited about tonight.

01:07:34.000 We just want to know how Like, when Ye reads the news, how does he come out of it the other side?

01:07:41.000 I don't know.

01:07:42.000 I'm reading the chat.

01:07:42.000 Leonard's smirking over here.

01:07:43.000 I don't know what's happening.

01:07:44.000 I'm reading the chat room right now.

01:07:46.000 Every time I read the chat, I have a great time.

01:07:50.000 Most of the time I'm on this show, I'm usually snickering in the corner here reading all the chats.

01:07:54.000 We don't see about Lewis is like he has three different screens up and you can see the chat going on one of them.

01:08:00.000 I got an idea for a segment.

01:08:02.000 What is it? Oh, we're still doing news? Yeah, hold on. We're still rolling. Let me see if I can find this story.

01:08:09.000 You're doing great, buddy. Hold on, hold on. Give me a second. You guys talk about stuff while I google,

01:08:14.000 while I search for something. Hannibal Lecter, go ahead.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, so I'm gonna sit here and present my own thought.

01:08:20.000 I think we should have another three guest show.

01:08:22.000 I think that, of course, we should have Lucas here back, but then we should have Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Taylor Swift.

01:08:29.000 I know that's important to all of you.

01:08:31.000 It's important to me.

01:08:32.000 I like to have a diverse tech perspective.

01:08:33.000 That would be an amazing chemistry.

01:08:35.000 I just really feel like we could all learn something about the cross-section of American culture.

01:08:38.000 I think that Taylor and Elon would have some beautiful babies.

01:08:42.000 Do you think he's asked her?

01:08:45.000 We got a segment for First Thing Tomorrow Morning from Breitbart.com.

01:08:49.000 Kanye, canceled by Kanye, walks out of Tim Pool interview and asks to defend his anti-Semitism.

01:08:56.000 I mean the bias is evident. But like here's the crazy thing about it. I was like letting him speak

01:09:04.000 about it. I said okay if that's what... so some people are like Tim you know you should you should

01:09:08.000 have just let him speak and Tim only wanted to talk about Trump because Trump's a safe subject

01:09:12.000 and he was scared about being banned and I'm like we said okay we're gonna talk about it.

01:09:16.000 Right. Let him start talking about it. See we also... You also were like defend your anti-semitism.

01:09:21.000 That wasn't what you asked me to do. No no no it would have been a...

01:09:24.000 It would have been a conversation that would have exchanged different ideas.

01:09:28.000 There were different ideas coming from different points of view here that obviously would have clashed.

01:09:33.000 The audience could have decided which idea is better.

01:09:36.000 Me and Tim were sitting here with some of, let's be honest here, some of the smartest, most intelligent, most We came here for that conversation.

01:09:44.000 in the entire political, social industry, and we were ready to have a conversation.

01:09:49.000 We were ready to challenge our beliefs, their beliefs, and to come up with a discourse.

01:09:55.000 We came here for that conversation, the other side left.

01:09:58.000 And I don't get it though.

01:10:00.000 I don't get it.

01:10:01.000 See, that's what I think the thing is.

01:10:02.000 I think the accusation of being anti-semitic is so radioactive that it puts everyone involved on the defensive.

01:10:10.000 Both the people who want to respond to the accusation and the people who are levying the accusation.

01:10:16.000 And I can only imagine in Connie's position that you are, or in Ye's position, I am so sorry Ye.

01:10:24.000 that you are tense to be prepared to respond to it because you are on the defensive all the time.

01:10:31.000 And I wanna shout out, hey, Greg, Greg Price, you're wrong.

01:10:34.000 He says, Ye got up and left the TimCast studio less than 10 minutes into the show.

01:10:37.000 Not true.

01:10:38.000 You tweeted it at 8.25, bro.

01:10:40.000 The show went live at 7.59.

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 It's 26 minutes, 25 on the clock, but it is what it is.

01:10:47.000 I thought we were gonna have that conversation, and I thought Ye wanted to actually defend his position on it.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, that's what I was hoping for.

01:10:54.000 If you're going to make some claims, back it up.

01:10:56.000 What would you have liked to have heard from him?

01:10:59.000 How would you have liked him to present it?

01:11:03.000 We had Bannon on, and Bannon knows that if you question the 2020 election, YouTube gives you a strike.

01:11:09.000 But he also knows I don't agree with him on it.

01:11:10.000 And so he like, it was funny, because he like, he knows.

01:11:14.000 And he looks over at Lydia, and he's like, I can say that, can't I?

01:11:17.000 And then he starts, you know, talking about Donald Trump and fraud and stuff.

01:11:19.000 And I was like, dude, now you brought up, we're gonna talk about it.

01:11:21.000 Okay.

01:11:22.000 And Bannon entertained the conversation of me disagreeing with him.

01:11:25.000 Bannon's a savvy, smart guy.

01:11:28.000 I think the first time we had him on, and he and I argued about the election, I said Trump got anti-elected because people assumed that Biden's approval rating, the enthusiasm for Biden was so low he couldn't possibly win, but somehow did.

01:11:42.000 And I said, but did you look at the polls showing enthusiasm against Trump?

01:11:46.000 It was higher than enthusiasm for Trump, according to some pollsters.

01:11:50.000 And then Bannon was like, yeah, I like that.

01:11:53.000 He was anti-elected.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, interesting.

01:11:55.000 That's very good.

01:11:56.000 How often do you have a guest on whose views are difficult to talk about on YouTube?

01:12:01.000 Because I, especially with all the vaccine stuff, I feel like we've had some where it's just, it's just hard to talk about it.

01:12:07.000 Like, I remember we had the Surgeon General on from Florida.

01:12:10.000 But he said everything he needed.

01:12:11.000 He was a government official.

01:12:12.000 But, you know, Ye had two people in his corner that are working with him that are also, how do I say this, Master debaters that could talk about these subjects.

01:12:26.000 You're 12.

01:12:26.000 I just want to know you're 12 years old.

01:12:28.000 That have been talking about these subjects for years and, of course, are ready to debate them.

01:12:32.000 So he had people in his corner that were here with him, for him, ready to have his side.

01:12:39.000 There was three against two when it came to this conversation.

01:12:43.000 Do you wish that you guys had gotten like more time to talk to Nick or more time to talk to Milo?

01:12:47.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:12:48.000 Milo was really interesting when he was on the show and some people have said it's like one of the, like some high profile individuals reached out and said that was one of the best shows I've ever seen.

01:12:55.000 It's really interesting to hear his thoughts.

01:12:57.000 Someone pointed out, Robert Spencer in Super Chat said, Milo is purposely making Ye look bad because he really wants Trump to win.

01:13:05.000 Hmm.

01:13:06.000 Do you think I don't understand?

01:13:07.000 I don't understand that.

01:13:08.000 I don't really think that's how he operates.

01:13:10.000 This like, I, sorry, interrupt.

01:13:14.000 I thought, like with them getting Fuentes invited to the Trump dinner.

01:13:20.000 That was, like, really bad for Trump.

01:13:23.000 He's getting, like, every Republican coming out against him.

01:13:26.000 Like, they seriously caused harm to Trump.

01:13:27.000 If Milo wanted revenge, that was it.

01:13:29.000 This negated all of that.

01:13:32.000 Ye came out and said, nope, Trump didn't know who Fuentes was.

01:13:35.000 Milo's the one who invited him.

01:13:36.000 Okay, so Trump's in the clear now.

01:13:38.000 So now I have no idea what their plan was.

01:13:40.000 Maybe just trolling, fun, notoriety, you know?

01:13:43.000 It might all get overshadowed, unfortunately.

01:13:45.000 All of that information might get overshadowed.

01:13:46.000 Who knows?

01:13:47.000 Do you think the Ye campaign could meet the filing requirements to run for president?

01:13:52.000 Like, right now it's a hypothetical.

01:13:54.000 There's nothing in documentation, right?

01:13:56.000 We don't have a paper trail of an informal campaign.

01:13:59.000 I'm genuinely confused by whatever it is they're trying to accomplish, to be completely honest.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:05.000 Just trolling or something?

01:14:06.000 So what do you think's the best outcome from this?

01:14:10.000 This, you know, look, if you're someone who disagrees with their views, I think they just shoved their face into the mud.

01:14:18.000 Like, I didn't even, yo, come on.

01:14:22.000 I've got people criticizing me saying I didn't push back hard enough and I shouldn't have let him say those things.

01:14:26.000 But then there's also the framing that you're, like, the hero that asked him to defend his anti-Semitism.

01:14:32.000 Like, choose a framing, right?

01:14:34.000 Also, neither of those things are true, though.

01:14:36.000 Not even a quarter of the way through the show.

01:14:38.000 Right.

01:14:39.000 Like, at least give Tim a chance!

01:14:41.000 Yeah, let's let some rapport develop.

01:14:44.000 I mean, they tried to do just that in the pre-show, but it didn't work.

01:14:47.000 I'm sorry, Serge.

01:14:48.000 We did, in fact, get through a quarter.

01:14:49.000 My false reporting.

01:14:50.000 This is real life, man.

01:14:53.000 Yeah, I don't like people who blame their problems on groups of people.

01:14:58.000 Like, when Occupy Wall Street did it with the 1%, I said, I mentioned this earlier, like, you've got wealthy individuals backing you.

01:15:06.000 You've got, obviously, people who blame Jewish people, you've got people who blame white people, and I'm like, man, stop blaming everybody else for your problem and roll up your sleeves and chop some lumber, work hard.

01:15:15.000 I get it.

01:15:16.000 You know, I was mentioning this earlier, I talked to a, I was talking to a woke dude, years ago and he said people don't understand what it's like growing up being like a brown-skinned like hispanic dude in this country where all the billboards and everything are white people every move you see is white people who am i supposed to look up to so we look up to people in other countries we look to people who look like us and my response was i think it's unfortunate that you need that you see race as a thing you need is a requirement for what you need to look up to but i do understand you have a family

01:15:44.000 Every day you see your dad.

01:15:45.000 You look up to your dad.

01:15:46.000 He looks like you.

01:15:47.000 You look like him.

01:15:48.000 But then you look at what the country is promoting, and none of these people look anything like you.

01:15:53.000 So I can certainly get that.

01:15:55.000 I hear you.

01:15:56.000 But the reality is, there may be dominant groups in every country.

01:16:00.000 In China, white supremacy is meaningless.

01:16:02.000 It's Chinese. 0.99

01:16:03.000 If you're a Uighur Muslim, you're in serious trouble. 1.00

01:16:05.000 It ain't the white people oppressing you. 0.98

01:16:06.000 In the United States, the majority of the country is white and Christian.

01:16:10.000 But you can succeed and you can become a billionaire.

01:16:14.000 Ye did it.

01:16:15.000 And then when he encounters problems with it, he decided the problem was Jewish people.

01:16:20.000 I'm like, I think it's particular individuals who have it out for you, bro.

01:16:24.000 Like, bro, the Jewish people who work at this company have literally nothing to do with Ye's troubles. 0.55

01:16:29.000 Is that what he said?

01:16:30.000 That was how he ultimately viewed his problems?

01:16:33.000 Yes, because I was like, I said, what about Bezos?

01:16:38.000 What about Shane Smith?

01:16:39.000 What about Elon?

01:16:40.000 And they're like, oh, they all work for Jewish people. 0.99

01:16:41.000 And I'm like, what?

01:16:43.000 Bill Gates?

01:16:44.000 Come on, man.

01:16:46.000 I can't buy that.

01:16:46.000 I'm sorry, dude.

01:16:49.000 Vice is a great example.

01:16:51.000 I said this, if you really believe that, I think this might've been before the show, I was like, how do you explain my show?

01:16:56.000 And he said, because God is on our side.

01:16:58.000 Like, what dude?

01:16:59.000 Like, you can't say that if someone is against me, it's a specific group of people, and if we're winning, it's because God is here with us.

01:17:08.000 Either you as an individual, regardless of race, gender, orientation, identity, can succeed, or you think everyone is underneath the boot of some group of people.

01:17:19.000 So what role do you think identitarian thinking has on the American public?

01:17:24.000 Because I do think the points about like we isolate certain racial votes, we use them as blocks to win.

01:17:32.000 Identity politics and identitarianism aren't necessarily the same, they overlap.

01:17:35.000 Identitarianism is government based on identity. 0.51

01:17:38.000 So I should be careful about how I say that and I should probably try to clarify better.

01:17:43.000 If you think that You are inhibited in any way, or I should say, if you believe it is impossible because of your identity, then it is a disservice.

01:17:53.000 You are being lied to.

01:17:55.000 There are people I know from the Philippines who are wealthier.

01:18:03.000 Actually, I think it's like Filipino immigrants make like 90k to 120k on average in the United States.

01:18:09.000 It's not the race of the individual.

01:18:11.000 It is their perseverance, their willingness to work really, really hard.

01:18:15.000 I think the problem with identitarianism or identity grievance politics is that you start to believe you can't succeed because of immutable characteristics, seek to blame another group of people, and then you get chaos and violence.

01:18:27.000 And that's what we see with, you know, from Occupy to the Antifa to the BLM stuff.

01:18:32.000 Black Lives Matter going on protesting calling black people white supremacists.

01:18:36.000 I'm like, you see where the ideology is bankrupt? 0.64

01:18:39.000 So you get Candace Owens, who's a black woman who has conservative opinions, and they call her a white supremacist. 1.00

01:18:45.000 It's like, okay, your race-based politics are bankrupt.

01:18:47.000 That makes no sense to me.

01:18:49.000 They claim that Luke, being Polish, is a person of color, and we joke about it all the time because Luke is a white, blue-eyed, blonde-haired man.

01:18:55.000 Hey, my people's struggles are real.

01:18:57.000 But there's a problem with generalizations.

01:18:59.000 There's always exceptions to the rules.

01:19:01.000 And I think when you speak in over generalizations, whether you're blaming one particular race or all particular white men for your problems, you're just being intellectually lazy.

01:19:10.000 I think there could be a real discussion to be had on a lot of very powerful people, on a lot of very bad people.

01:19:16.000 But once you just start making lazy generalizations, you hurt yourself and you hurt the major claims that you're making, because you're also going after innocent people.

01:19:24.000 You're also going after people who have nothing to do with your ills or your problems.

01:19:29.000 You're going after people who, of course, aren't the source of your problem, and you're just pointing fingers at them, which is not fair.

01:19:38.000 Mary's gonna walk out. 1.00

01:19:40.000 This is why the conversation with Kanye needed to occur, because I don't necessarily think that he is just making lazy generalizations to blame a group of people for his problems.

01:19:51.000 His problems are not ordinary problems that ordinary people face.

01:19:57.000 And to the extent that we still operate on a meritocratic system, that is how Kanye became the success story that he is.

01:20:05.000 But I think that he's trying to point out ways that his success is now being used against him, and he feels like he's being used as an instrument or a cog in a much larger machine.

01:20:17.000 He doesn't know what to call it, maybe, or uh he's not impugning it for the right reasons but that machine does need to be investigated and talked about it that didn't happen tonight and that's what's so unfortunate about it there was just like

01:20:35.000 There was too much miscommunication for that to happen.

01:20:39.000 He said at the beginning of the interview, it's like, I'm, I'm not allowed, like, they can lump together the black vote, but I can't lump together this group's vote or what, you know, something to that extent.

01:20:49.000 I'm paraphrasing here.

01:20:50.000 And I find that interesting.

01:20:51.000 I do think that we I've always believed that Americans are extremely uncomfortable talking about race and that makes it almost impossible to make any progress on that front because you are so afraid of saying the wrong thing and that's what I think would have been maybe the best outcome of this conversation is to get someone else's perspective who right now is willing to take a huge risk.

01:21:16.000 I know what you're saying like definitely there are people who are willing to blame their problems on you know everything's out to get me this is by you know this is the system is is rooted for me to fail but I also think that there are I think the way we view race has creeped so much into our government that we do have systems that specifically are designed to lift people up and unfortunately can make the playing field unlevel and hurt some groups of people.

01:21:44.000 I don't think that we're able to fundamentally unpack how we view race in this culture because it's become kind of a left-wing taboo.

01:21:52.000 Ian is back!

01:21:54.000 What's up, guys?

01:21:55.000 No, Ian, wait, Ian!

01:21:56.000 All right.

01:21:57.000 I want to, I want to, yeah, Grant, come, hop in, brother.

01:21:59.000 So here's, here's, I want to, I want to tell you.

01:22:01.000 They were, uh, Nick was afraid of your crystal rocks, by the way.

01:22:04.000 He was like, please, someone move these rocks for me, please.

01:22:07.000 Before the show, when we were all talking, I would, like, Kanye would be in the middle of an idea, and I would be nodding along, and I would put up a few fingers.

01:22:16.000 This is what I do when I signal, like, I've got a thing to say.

01:22:19.000 Like, people often say, like, you know, Tim interrupts all the time.

01:22:22.000 I do, but, you know, it's a show where we do cut each other off.

01:22:26.000 Maybe I doodle too much.

01:22:27.000 Look, I try.

01:22:28.000 But I often do, I'll hold my hand up and, like, nod along, like, either because we got to change the subject, go on to a new segment, or go to Super Chats.

01:22:35.000 When I would do that, Ye would immediately stop and be like, you want to say something?

01:22:38.000 And I'd be like, oh, keep going.

01:22:39.000 I was going to, after you're finished.

01:22:41.000 Like before the show, he was totally like, I put my hand up and he'd be like, yes.

01:22:46.000 Observation.

01:22:46.000 I had reason I came up here.

01:22:47.000 I was watching the show and listening and I think Kanye is an empath.

01:22:51.000 He's a he works off.

01:22:52.000 Yay.

01:22:52.000 Thank you.

01:22:53.000 Yay.

01:22:53.000 You change your name brother.

01:22:54.000 I'm struggling with this.

01:22:56.000 And he works off tone like big time tone and in a room like this with six people when one person asked somebody else a question and then the third person answers and then everyone's like that's why he was thinking of seven things at once at that right before he got up and walked out.

01:23:09.000 So it's just a different way to communicate.

01:23:11.000 Yeah, I think you're totally right in this room.

01:23:13.000 It's very hard to sometimes tell like it can feel like someone's not on your side more than they actually are or there's more tension maybe because people get animated and then you have to look over here and then the screen changes like you've been doing this show for a long time at this point like i know you probably feel that too and like you can't totally get the rhythm because at any time someone else is going to jump in free yeah it's like being a tornado a lot of times a really enjoyable tornado but if you're not used to it

01:23:40.000 That's why it's confusing to hear him compare it to the Lex Friedman podcast, because that's one-on-one.

01:23:44.000 You're talking for nearly four hours together.

01:23:47.000 You have complete and utter freedom to say whatever you want.

01:23:51.000 But then this is supposed to be a conversation that pinballs around.

01:23:55.000 That's nothing like Lex Friedman.

01:23:57.000 I feel like what he was saying is he was expecting to be, I guess, scripted questions or some kind of narrative or something else that was beneath what was happening or ulterior.

01:23:57.000 Right.

01:24:07.000 That's what he was referring to.

01:24:08.000 Or just allowed me to monologue.

01:24:10.000 Right.

01:24:10.000 Exactly.

01:24:11.000 Which has never been the case for this show.

01:24:13.000 It's never been like that.

01:24:14.000 That's why I watched it.

01:24:14.000 That's why I like it.

01:24:15.000 Maybe he wasn't familiar with your viewpoints or how you do things.

01:24:20.000 I told him before the show, if you guys expect to talk about this stuff, I'm going to push back on it.

01:24:23.000 Of course, of course, of course.

01:24:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:26.000 Well, that's why I'm like, when people are like, they staged it, I'm like, okay, maybe, think about this, as I stated earlier, if they stayed on the show and said things that everyone already knew they thought, what's the story?

01:24:38.000 If they get up and storm out, the story was put up on the internet with a minute of it happening, yay, storms out of interview.

01:24:44.000 And they never got their ideas challenged or questioned.

01:24:46.000 They had two people that for...

01:24:46.000 Exactly.

01:24:49.000 Especially one for years that were specifically debating this issue, that were arguing this issue, that again were studying this issue.

01:24:57.000 We came to, of course, have that conversation.

01:25:00.000 They didn't want to have it.

01:25:01.000 Does walking out just mean all publicity is good publicity?

01:25:03.000 Yes.

01:25:04.000 The moment we got into the point of any kind of adversarial questioning, they were done and they walked out.

01:25:10.000 They didn't have to have their ideas challenged, but they got the PR.

01:25:14.000 I feel like the human race right now is coming together with the internet, and we're just at this weird stage of our evolution where you get these really different people.

01:25:21.000 We're forced to come together.

01:25:23.000 We have no choice.

01:25:24.000 If we're going to survive and create American republicanism and freedom and stuff, we have to work with people that we do not understand or like sometimes.

01:25:34.000 It's like mixing oil and water.

01:25:36.000 You see these weird environments and things where it's too much for somebody one day, and then the next day you're still friends.

01:25:43.000 I digress, but I think it's to be expected, these kind of things, and it's not like a bad thing.

01:25:47.000 You're also like an empath, kind of.

01:25:50.000 Maybe it would have gone differently and better if you had been in the room, actually.

01:25:55.000 There's always more, you know, it's worth seeing in all perspectives.

01:25:58.000 Do it again, we'll do it again.

01:25:59.000 You're someone who, like, when I talk to you, I feel like you are 1000% attentive to what I'm saying.

01:26:05.000 And maybe the format that Kanye was in, sorry, Ye, was in here, without you involved in the conversation just didn't feel that way.

01:26:15.000 Like he didn't feel heard.

01:26:17.000 We did have a good conversation before the show about Parler.

01:26:19.000 What did he think about Parler?

01:26:21.000 Well, I want to federate it with mine's Rumble and Twitter so that they can all interoperate.

01:26:26.000 He was like, what's that exactly?

01:26:27.000 And we talked about that.

01:26:28.000 He was super down with that.

01:26:30.000 We didn't get to talk about Graphene yet, but we will.

01:26:32.000 We will.

01:26:32.000 You plan to call him later?

01:26:34.000 I mean, I think one of the things is Mile has been on the show before, so hopefully he would have familiarized Kanye with like the format and maybe that was just not like lost in translation.

01:26:44.000 Would you have Nick back on his own?

01:26:46.000 Ian, handle it for five minutes.

01:26:47.000 You got it, brother.

01:26:47.000 Okay, would you have Nick back on his own?

01:26:49.000 Like, can we have these guests separately, or was the power of the interview that all three were here?

01:26:53.000 At this point, every day, every way, I'd have all three of those guys back on their own.

01:26:56.000 They each deserve to speak, and hopefully they'll get a chance to.

01:27:00.000 I personally would have.

01:27:01.000 I'm a very open-minded, sometimes maybe a little too radical, a little too eccentric.

01:27:06.000 I'll have people on that like, why are you interviewing the devil, Ian?

01:27:10.000 Well, I mean, let's find out why people think he's so evil.

01:27:12.000 Let's get down to it.

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:13.000 Did it take you a while to adjust to this format?

01:27:15.000 Because it is like, with looking at the news and responding to it, like, you're not necessarily here to discuss your expertise.

01:27:21.000 Did that take you a minute to fall into line with?

01:27:24.000 First, it felt like a jam session.

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 I was treating it like a jam session.

01:27:26.000 Me and Tim would come in.

01:27:27.000 I'd make as much noise as he was.

01:27:28.000 We were just splattering it.

01:27:29.000 And he would get frustrated and kept getting it and was like, this is it.

01:27:32.000 At one point, he kind of said, listen, I'm the orchestra.

01:27:35.000 Like, I'm the what do they call it?

01:27:36.000 The guy that's leading the orchestra.

01:27:38.000 Conductor.

01:27:39.000 Tim's like, I'm the conductor.

01:27:40.000 I'm like, that's right.

01:27:41.000 I'm first trumpet.

01:27:42.000 It's not a jam session.

01:27:43.000 We're not equals here.

01:27:44.000 Tim is conducting this environment.

01:27:47.000 At least that's how I treat the show.

01:27:48.000 Yeah, I do too.

01:27:49.000 It's called Timcast.

01:27:50.000 It's not called All of Us Cast.

01:27:52.000 It's not Communist Cast.

01:27:53.000 If you're not having your ideas challenged, what are you doing?

01:27:56.000 I mean, come on.

01:27:57.000 And we talk over each other.

01:27:58.000 Me and Tim disagree.

01:27:59.000 We debate all the time.

01:27:59.000 We argue.

01:28:00.000 We had a big debate about Bill Gates and we saw things differently.

01:28:04.000 We had a whole debate about, you know, the jabs.

01:28:07.000 We had a whole debate about so many different issues, and it's fine.

01:28:11.000 You know, it's okay.

01:28:11.000 And I think, you know, more and more you're seeing a lot of parallels from the left on the right.

01:28:18.000 So, you know, a lot of the wokeness, a lot of the blaming everything on generalizations, a lot of the kind of more emotional-based aspects, a lot of the The kind of ways that people handle themselves asking for more government intervention.

01:28:33.000 I think it's almost directly the same in a lot of instances.

01:28:37.000 And I think that's a fair critique that needs to be criticized, especially with people calling for more government, especially people who are trying to blame everything on one particular group.

01:28:47.000 I think more than ever we need conversation.

01:28:49.000 We need debate.

01:28:50.000 We need paradigms shattered.

01:28:52.000 We need them broken.

01:28:53.000 We need to get rid of this thinking that some man or some government is going to come in and fix everything for you because they are not.

01:29:00.000 No one's coming to save you.

01:29:01.000 You can only save yourself.

01:29:03.000 Personal responsibility, decentralization, localized community efforts are the way that this is going to be solved here.

01:29:09.000 Listen, listen here.

01:29:10.000 Listen here, ghost girl.

01:29:11.000 Stop interrupting me.

01:29:12.000 Do you sell a t-shirt with this on it?

01:29:13.000 Hannah Clare, stop being rude.

01:29:15.000 Listen, listen.

01:29:17.000 You women go start your own view show. 1.00

01:29:19.000 Stop being rude and interrupting me.

01:29:20.000 It's called Pop Culture Crisis.

01:29:23.000 Thank you very much.

01:29:23.000 I'm talking about a very specific issue that I think is worth mentioning now because, again, there are a lot of parallels between the left and the right.

01:29:30.000 They're essentially calling for the same thing, acting the same way, and representing them the same way.

01:29:35.000 Now, you women go squawk at each other. 1.00

01:29:37.000 I'm serious, though.

01:29:38.000 Lee, is there a specific story you would have liked to discuss with Connie tonight?

01:29:43.000 I mean, that was the thing that I really... I am so sorry.

01:29:47.000 I'm not doing this on purpose.

01:29:49.000 We already went over this.

01:29:49.000 Hannah, you know that.

01:29:51.000 We already talked about this.

01:29:53.000 It's like when people call you Hannah.

01:29:56.000 I said, hey, I wish we would have talked about this, this, and this.

01:29:59.000 No, but I'm just curious.

01:30:00.000 Can you remind me what you said?

01:30:03.000 Harley Pasternak, the Canadian Psychological Operations.

01:30:06.000 Dave Chappelle essentially warning on Oprah what he went through seems like exactly what Kanye went through, and this is what Ye went through, and this is why I specifically brought up him being institutionalized because I think there's a

01:30:21.000 bigger conversation to be had with this Canadian military guy who worked in psychological

01:30:26.000 operations that is one of the bigger players in Hollywood.

01:30:29.000 What do you know about him?

01:30:30.000 I think there's a bigger conversation to have about that.

01:30:32.000 There's a bigger conversation to have about Balenciaga and all the occult secret stuff

01:30:36.000 that they've been kind of showing to the point where they have now deleted their Instagram and their Twitter.

01:30:42.000 I think there's a bigger conversation to have about, you know, JPMorgan and Chase and Jeffrey Epstein.

01:30:47.000 So these were the issues that I really wanted to get into because I thought they were extremely important to highlight the larger parallels of what he's warning about to how other people have been affected by.

01:30:57.000 And when I brought up the meds before, Specifically, I think it's worth talking about because when you look at the text message that he released between himself and Harley Pasternak, who essentially looks like he was the one that institutionalized him because he was at his home, he's the one that was threatening to drug him and to put him in zombie land forever.

01:31:20.000 to the point where playing with his children wasn't going to be the same ever again.

01:31:24.000 That was a huge threat made against Ye, right?

01:31:26.000 This is why I think it's important to talk about SSRIs, psychotropics, all the drugs, especially with the way that they have affected individuals like Jordan Peterson, to think that these drugs that Big Pharma gives out like they're just candy, doesn't have any long-term mental effects, I think, is a conversation that should be had.

01:31:48.000 It shouldn't be a controversial one, since clearly there's a link there.

01:31:51.000 Why do you think people are afraid to talk about this?

01:31:53.000 Ian, you might have views on this too.

01:31:54.000 Like, why do you think SSRIs or, you know, they call them mood-stabilizing drugs or whatever, like, why do you think people are so afraid to discuss that?

01:32:01.000 Well, there's a big industry.

01:32:02.000 There's a huge big pharma industry that has their money in their hands and everywhere that I think is worth criticizing, that I think is worth talking about, and this is why I wanted to bring up this conversation.

01:32:11.000 Do you feel the same way about, like, lithium or anti-psychotic drugs as you do about SSRIs?

01:32:17.000 Because there's a far bigger portion of the population taking SSRIs than antipsychotic medication.

01:32:23.000 Exactly.

01:32:24.000 I think a lot of the studies, a lot of the findings haven't really been officially kind of delved out.

01:32:32.000 I think each person is unique, each person is individual, just like their brain chemistry.

01:32:36.000 And once you start tinkering and messing around with people's brain chemistry when they're all different

01:32:41.000 I think this leaves for a recipe for disaster. So as far as those two particular

01:32:46.000 Different kind of substances. I'm not an expert. I'm not a scientist. I'm not here trying to give you guys any kind of

01:32:51.000 medical advice That's the last thing I want to do. I know you would want

01:32:54.000 me to be but I'm not Calm down there.

01:32:56.000 I just believe, Lee, that you could be the world's best doctor.

01:32:59.000 Go back to Poland. 1.00

01:33:00.000 Go to medical school.

01:33:01.000 I know you would, but... What kind of doctor would you be?

01:33:03.000 Did you ever want to go to medical school?

01:33:05.000 I have a lot of jokes that I could make here right now, but I won't.

01:33:08.000 I'm more mature than this.

01:33:09.000 No, but I'm being serious.

01:33:10.000 You've always been interested in wellness ever since I've known you.

01:33:13.000 Have you ever wanted to study medicine in any serious capacity?

01:33:16.000 Well, yeah, I don't think you need licenses or permission to study anything.

01:33:20.000 I've been looking into a lot of the scientific studies.

01:33:22.000 When Dr. Drew was on, we talked about Paxilvid.

01:33:26.000 I thought that was a very interesting, important conversation to have, and I think I've held my weight when it came to debating a lot of those very important, controversial ideas.

01:33:34.000 But, again, everyone has their own decision.

01:33:37.000 And this is what me and Ye were talking about when we first saw each other.

01:33:40.000 He picked up a bar.

01:33:41.000 I'm like, you don't want that.

01:33:42.000 Here, let me get you some good stuff.

01:33:42.000 That's poison.

01:33:44.000 And we got him some stuff without any seed oils, without any high fructose corn syrup.

01:33:48.000 And I'm like, you don't want to touch this.

01:33:49.000 You don't want to touch this.

01:33:50.000 You want to be careful of this.

01:33:51.000 And this is why when he left, as he was leaving, he was like, am I detained?

01:33:54.000 I'm like, you're not detained.

01:33:55.000 He's like, I want to work with you on food.

01:33:57.000 I'm like, OK.

01:33:58.000 He's like, you don't owe us anything.

01:34:01.000 It's fine.

01:34:01.000 Do you feel like the American public is generally empowered to, like, do they know enough about nutrition or the medical industry?

01:34:01.000 No.

01:34:11.000 Like, what would be the best way to change that in your perspective?

01:34:11.000 Absolutely not.

01:34:14.000 Because you are sort of self-educated in this sphere.

01:34:17.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:34:18.000 I mean, each person, the best health advice I could give to an individual is to do what is right for you as an individual.

01:34:24.000 Nothing is an all-cure answer to everything.

01:34:27.000 Everything is based on an individual.

01:34:29.000 You got anything to report?

01:34:30.000 I'm back!

01:34:30.000 I'm going to have to piggyback off what you're saying, Luke, about Kanye maybe having stress, or Ye, sorry buddy, having stress.

01:34:35.000 I don't know if it's fair to kind of speculate, but I think it's fair to have that discussion based off what happened to him, those text messages, and how the industry tries to control people with these psychotropic drugs, and has tried to do it with Dave Chappelle, who on record came out and said, there was people running around me saying that I was crazy trying to get me to take these big pharma drugs.

01:34:57.000 He escaped to Africa and literally ran away from $50 million in a contract because he felt like he was going to be forcefully drugged by people in the industry that are trying to control him and trying to feminize him and dress him up as a little girl.

01:35:10.000 There's a big difference between taking drug and being drugged.

01:35:14.000 I have a very close friend that was drugged.

01:35:16.000 He still has post-traumatic stress from the experience.

01:35:18.000 It's not just the memory of the woe, the walls are moving around. 0.56

01:35:21.000 It's like, who did this to me?

01:35:22.000 Am I even safe?

01:35:23.000 Is life even real?

01:35:25.000 And that can follow someone for years.

01:35:28.000 So I think that conversation could be had.

01:35:31.000 I'd like to talk to Kanye about... I mean, if we were going deep one night about our past and stuff and you're like, do you have post-traumatic stress?

01:35:36.000 All right, let's go to Super Chats.

01:35:37.000 Sorry.

01:35:38.000 No, thank you for the segue.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:41.000 I didn't mean to cut you off.

01:35:42.000 It's just...

01:35:44.000 Just that you're tired of him talking.

01:35:45.000 He's like, this is my show, don't forget it.

01:35:48.000 My phone's getting slammed.

01:35:50.000 I got a bunch of people messaging me.

01:35:52.000 It's funny, a lot of the people who are like, don't do this, Tim, are now going, you did a good thing tonight, Tim.

01:35:58.000 We didn't do anything!

01:36:00.000 What did we do?

01:36:01.000 We didn't do nothing.

01:36:02.000 They're gonna reframe it to the point where they said, Tim Pool kicks Kanye out of his studio.

01:36:07.000 We should put a bet right now on which way this gets spun.

01:36:10.000 Banishes Ye out of his studio for anti-Semitic rants.

01:36:14.000 Or platforms terrible people.

01:36:16.000 I wanna announce, you know, we were gonna have a members-only show, which I guess we don't have, but We do still have a members-only segment with them.

01:36:28.000 So we had a crew go out and film them on their journey here, and then I guess what they were doing before they got here, I'm assuming they filmed them on the way out?

01:36:38.000 So we'll have at least that up, I suppose.

01:36:41.000 But let's read some of these superchats.

01:36:45.000 And I'll try and read as many people who like and don't like me.

01:36:47.000 People are saying we should have talked about fish sticks.

01:36:50.000 People have pointed that out. 0.98

01:36:51.000 All right, Bo Rai says, sorry, Ye is a freaking baby. 0.94

01:36:55.000 Tim put up hardly any resistance and just simply asked what he means. 0.97

01:36:58.000 How can you be president if you can't even explain yourself?

01:37:01.000 He has to talk to media politicians if he's president.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 I mean, I got to say, dude, if he was going to be running for president, it would have been just someone yelling at him the whole time.

01:37:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:11.000 Imagine Ye sitting down with Xi Jinping.

01:37:14.000 And then him being like, hey man, you know, you're building these military bases in the South China Sea. 0.98

01:37:19.000 And then she just tells him he's a weak, pathetic man and that he has no strength and there's nothing he can do to stop him. 0.96

01:37:25.000 Is Ye going to just like walk away? 0.99

01:37:28.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:37:28.000 And then what?

01:37:29.000 I don't think that there was ever going to be a real campaign, but, like, I'm on camera saying that that's my prediction, and if I'm wrong, then clip me.

01:37:36.000 Go ahead.

01:37:37.000 But I don't think that there's going to be a real Yay! 1.00

01:37:38.000 24.

01:37:38.000 We talked to them privately, and it looks like they're taking it seriously.

01:37:41.000 Oh, yeah, you can learn magic.

01:37:42.000 For now?

01:37:43.000 You gotta teach Yay!

01:37:44.000 magic, dude.

01:37:45.000 You think the words instead of say them.

01:37:46.000 When you look at someone in the eyes and your body language does the speaking for you, even if they don't understand your English or whatever, if they're Chinese, it still is the form of really legit communication.

01:37:57.000 TheRebelliousGrizzlyBear says, Hey TimCastCrew, people who only want to have a one-sided conversation don't belong in politics.

01:38:04.000 How can things really change without having a back and forth?

01:38:06.000 This is a major problem in politics today.

01:38:08.000 I agree.

01:38:09.000 I gotta feel like I watched the Lex Fredman thing.

01:38:13.000 I don't watch the whole thing.

01:38:14.000 I don't watch a whole lot of other shows, but I watched it on while I was doing other things.

01:38:18.000 I guess that's what people do with podcasts.

01:38:20.000 Yeah.

01:38:20.000 And particularly I watched the anti-semitic stuff, the stuff that Ye was saying, and I felt that Lex was talking in circles.

01:38:28.000 Like, I was just not interested in it.

01:38:30.000 And that's exactly what I told them before.

01:38:31.000 I was like, guys, I get it.

01:38:32.000 I know what you think.

01:38:33.000 Can we talk about what's going on with you guys in the news so we can elaborate on this?

01:38:37.000 And they didn't want to do it.

01:38:39.000 It is what it is.

01:38:41.000 All right.

01:38:42.000 What do we got here?

01:38:44.000 Hey, I said I'd read ones that were not fond of me either.

01:38:55.000 It's funny because people are like, Tim wants to be the smartest guy in the room and he's got a big ego, but I'll literally read you insulting me and I'll have on a whole bunch of other people who are either in different areas more knowledgeable than I am. And I'll

01:39:07.000 give a special shout out to Seamus Coghlan, who I argued with, adamant that I was correct about what

01:39:12.000 abortion was, specifically on the legal side, and Seamus told me I was

01:39:15.000 wrong. Turned out to be right, and then I had to apologize to him later, saying I was

01:39:18.000 completely wrong about that. You were right.

01:39:20.000 I had the legal definition totally incorrect. So that's the reason why you have other people on.

01:39:25.000 We bully Tim off-air, don't worry.

01:39:27.000 Oh, they're throwing pies at me.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:29.000 Hannah's evil. 1.00

01:39:31.000 I'm really mean. I don't know what's so good.

01:39:33.000 Totally.

01:39:33.000 She gives Tim swirlies.

01:39:34.000 You can see it in her eyes.

01:39:35.000 You can't give me a swirl, I got no hair!

01:39:36.000 I think we have three cameras on or something?

01:39:38.000 I think we have three cameras on or something.

01:39:47.000 I wonder if Wesley got it.

01:39:48.000 Well, the thing is, like, we were all watching it and like, we see his coat go behind you

01:39:52.000 and I was like, who was that?

01:39:55.000 And then we get enough people sprinting to be like, we've got to intercept, like, what's going on?

01:39:59.000 We should have a Jerry Springer camera guy outside the door 24-7.

01:40:01.000 Just ready at all times.

01:40:03.000 Ready to go.

01:40:04.000 That'd be good.

01:40:06.000 But who's the father?

01:40:07.000 Ghost Crusader says you should have pre-recorded the interview, Tim.

01:40:10.000 You did nothing wrong, but I think Milo showed him the episode with you and Milo, and Ye thought it was going to be like that, where he can just keep talking.

01:40:15.000 That's a good observation.

01:40:17.000 I agree with that, I do, I do.

01:40:18.000 But you don't pre-record.

01:40:19.000 But even with Milo, we were like, wait, wait, hold on, I want to say this, and then we interrupted Milo a couple times.

01:40:25.000 Did you push back on things Milo was saying?

01:40:28.000 I don't think Milo was saying, like... I did, yeah, specifically.

01:40:31.000 He was worshipping the altar of Donald Trump, and I was like, wait, are you really going to be worshipping Donald Trump?

01:40:37.000 Like, are you going to be, you know, worshipping, you know?

01:40:39.000 You're bringing up, like, foreign policy stuff.

01:40:41.000 Exactly.

01:40:42.000 But look, look, look.

01:40:43.000 I explained this to them before the show.

01:40:45.000 When Milo came on, he had not spoken publicly in almost five years.

01:40:49.000 And so when he started talking and just was going off, I was like, this is a stream of consciousness that he's been holding onto.

01:40:56.000 And to hear his thoughts is really interesting considering Trump's going to be announcing or whatever.

01:41:00.000 When they came here, I said, we know what you guys have said.

01:41:03.000 That's been the news.

01:41:05.000 We can talk about it.

01:41:06.000 It'll come up, but let's talk about new issues.

01:41:06.000 Who am I kidding?

01:41:09.000 Right.

01:41:10.000 Like, that was my point.

01:41:12.000 Okay, then you want to bring, and I said, if you guys want to bring that up, I will be pushing back.

01:41:16.000 Don't expect me to just sit back.

01:41:17.000 And Milo's like, yes, yes, yes, of course, of course.

01:41:19.000 All I wanted for him was to look at Ye and be like, so would you build the border wall? 0.94

01:41:24.000 Like, I just needed to know some platforms here.

01:41:27.000 Or Julian Assange.

01:41:28.000 What's his position on Julian Assange?

01:41:31.000 I think he also talked about a UBI, universal basic income, that he wants to... I've only ever heard him refer to, like, the utopia he wants to build, but I don't know what that means.

01:41:39.000 I'm gonna walk out.

01:41:40.000 I'm out of here.

01:41:43.000 You're all welcome!

01:41:44.000 Finally, Leonard is leaving!

01:41:45.000 When we had Milo on a couple weeks ago for the first 15 minutes, I kept seeing Tim put his hand up, gesturing like he's gonna respond, and it was impossible, and Milo kept going like a steamroller.

01:41:56.000 Oh, hey, Luke.

01:41:57.000 And then at 15 minutes, 20 minutes in, Tim just went along for the ride after that, and we just let Milo take it.

01:42:05.000 Yay was wearing a very large puffer jacket that probably brushed past every seat.

01:42:13.000 It's freezing here.

01:42:15.000 He wasn't wrong about that.

01:42:17.000 He was right.

01:42:17.000 It is cold.

01:42:18.000 Do you have a window open?

01:42:20.000 It's always freezing.

01:42:21.000 Someone had the AC on.

01:42:23.000 Oh.

01:42:24.000 The window was open, that's why it was cold.

01:42:26.000 But I went into the room and it was on cooling.

01:42:30.000 I mean, I guess it's better if this room is cold and not hot.

01:42:32.000 No one in the Super Chat cares about this conversation.

01:42:34.000 So I will also mention to people, like, there are things happening.

01:42:37.000 Like, my phone's blowing up.

01:42:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:39.000 Like, I've got it.

01:42:39.000 There's a lot more to booking people than just, like, calling them and saying, come hang out.

01:42:44.000 So I'll just leave it at that.

01:42:45.000 And so one example is security and how we handle that and other things.

01:42:50.000 So, you know, I'll just say that.

01:42:53.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:42:56.000 Gabriel Lopez says, Tim, you are defending the people destroying his life.

01:42:58.000 He realizes it's a waste of time and cut his losses.

01:43:01.000 I wasn't defending the people destroying his life.

01:43:03.000 I was asking him who was doing it.

01:43:04.000 In fact, I wanted him to name those people, which is why we brought up, what was the guy, Pasternak?

01:43:08.000 Yeah, Harley Pasternak.

01:43:09.000 Right.

01:43:09.000 And so what I wanted to do was name the individuals.

01:43:13.000 But he was adamant that it was just Jewish people.

01:43:15.000 And I'm like, okay, dude.

01:43:16.000 It is miscommunication.

01:43:18.000 Maybe, but like, I wasn't trying to insult him.

01:43:21.000 I'm like, can you explain who this is?

01:43:23.000 Who are these people?

01:43:24.000 And when I said they, he's like, what do you mean by they?

01:43:26.000 Like, oh, come on, dude.

01:43:27.000 Have you guys ever had that phenomenon where it's you and two other people, and then like the two other people start talking at you, and they're both kind of giving you like their...

01:43:35.000 Have you ever had that happen?

01:43:36.000 It's like immediate defensive mode for me when I have that and there's three of us and I'm like, whoa, hold on, you're both coming at me now.

01:43:41.000 You feel ganged up on, yeah.

01:43:43.000 I bet the essence of that creeps into people around here because it's a big show and then the energy moves so quick around here.

01:43:49.000 That's why I wish that the subject matter could have been something, like, lighter at some points.

01:43:54.000 Like, I would have loved to hear Kanye's—sorry, Ye's—thoughts about— I'm contagious.

01:43:58.000 —about fashion or about entertainment or about religion, any number of things, without derailing instantly to Yeah, it's like, let's get the car out of the mud before we start.

01:44:10.000 The car wasn't actually in the mud.

01:44:12.000 We didn't have to do that.

01:44:12.000 Well, he brought it up!

01:44:13.000 I wish you guys had recorded that pre-show.

01:44:19.000 We should have recorded the previous conversation that we had.

01:44:23.000 It was actually a really interesting, normal conversation.

01:44:25.000 It happens all the time in the pre-show.

01:44:28.000 And he's a beautiful dude, Kanye, a human.

01:44:30.000 Like, when you make eye contact with him and see his soul, he's a normal, like a really Good guy.

01:44:35.000 They were talking about are some sins more sinful than others and then Ye asked Milo about like a specific saint or like some certain passages and I'm like but we were like we like get up we're grabbing water and like we're changing the lights and we're doing the cameras so we usually just don't record it.

01:44:50.000 Do you think like I mean he's done other roundtable type interviews like is there anything else about this situation that you think like you were saying before like it feels more tense than maybe it is you don't have someone who's maybe It was really cold in here.

01:45:03.000 That might have something to do with it.

01:45:04.000 But he did have a jacket on, where he keeps his secrets.

01:45:06.000 He had one on.

01:45:07.000 He had a big puffy jacket on.

01:45:08.000 That might have something to do with it.

01:45:09.000 He hasn't done media appearances with both Milo and Nick present before.

01:45:14.000 This was the first time that that happened.

01:45:15.000 I know, because you're like a Nick fan.

01:45:17.000 I'm sure this is like a pass.

01:45:21.000 Well, he was supposed to go on Pop Culture Crisis with you guys afterwards.

01:45:26.000 Yeah, that was the plan, and I had a lot of questions that I was wanting to ask, yay, but unfortunately that's not gonna happen.

01:45:34.000 Well, it could happen.

01:45:35.000 I mean, this is just like, it's an example of what has to happen for us to have this conversation in public.

01:45:41.000 Because we're gonna need to bring people in that we don't necessarily think we agree with.

01:45:41.000 Right.

01:45:43.000 Klaus Schwab could be in here next week, and that would be a good thing.

01:45:46.000 Yeah.

01:45:47.000 Hell yeah! 0.95

01:45:48.000 I would love to talk to Klaus.

01:45:50.000 I'd love to talk to the bug man.

01:45:51.000 I'd love to talk to Bill Gates.

01:45:53.000 I'd love to talk to all these people and have those hard conversations and have those difficult conversations.

01:45:59.000 Do you think you know what's best for everyone else?

01:46:01.000 Let's actually debate it.

01:46:03.000 Let's actually have that conversation.

01:46:05.000 What were you guys talking about when I was outside?

01:46:07.000 Medical psychosis or something?

01:46:08.000 Eating the bugs.

01:46:09.000 And if you need to go to medical school to become a doctor.

01:46:12.000 I would pose that maybe come end times, Luke is our new city doctor.

01:46:17.000 Luke had pointed out how Kanye may have been stressed since they had basically drugged him when they had taken him to the hospital.

01:46:23.000 And I thought there is also like a level of post-traumatic stress.

01:46:26.000 If you've been drugged, it's different than taking a drug willingly.

01:46:29.000 Armani says, Tim says we have to treat people like individuals when ye refer to certain people, yet Tim never stepped in when Seamus or anyone else has gone on a homophobic tirade calling us degenerates, and that is 100% not true. 0.69

01:46:41.000 In fact, I argue a lot about it to the point where some people yell at me, like when we were talking about trans people and Dylan Mulvaney, and then I was saying like, These weird trolls do not represent trans people.

01:46:53.000 And, like, yeah.

01:46:55.000 I'm, like, left-lib, but probably, like, center-left.

01:46:59.000 So, free speech, liberty, you know.

01:47:02.000 I draw the line at manipulating kids.

01:47:03.000 We all have our issues.

01:47:04.000 We all have our issues that we love to talk about.

01:47:06.000 When someone believes that a government is the solution to any problem, it just straight up, like, gets me activated.

01:47:12.000 I gotta get going.

01:47:13.000 I gotta be like, hey, no.

01:47:15.000 Like, That's because that's my own personal beliefs.

01:47:17.000 That's my bigger truth that I'm willing to stand on and debate and have a conversation on.

01:47:23.000 Yeah.

01:47:23.000 And, you know, let's just read some more.

01:47:27.000 Alright, Mission says, Tim, can't we just chuck it up that this was an unfortunate situation, not a setup, not your bad on questions, just an unfortunate set of circumstances.

01:47:34.000 It's just disappointing that Ye responded that way.

01:47:36.000 I think that's fair to say.

01:47:39.000 Like, I was saying before, like, I don't know what they got out of this.

01:47:41.000 Like, maybe that just shows that nobody planned for any of this to happen.

01:47:44.000 Ye is just...

01:47:48.000 Look, man.

01:47:48.000 He's volatile, if anything.

01:47:49.000 Well, no, I just mean like, if he doesn't need this, why is he here?

01:47:53.000 If he's not getting what he wants, he's gone.

01:47:54.000 Right.

01:47:56.000 I remember when I worked for Vice, everyone at the office's attitude was that they were lucky to be there.

01:48:01.000 And when I left, they were like, you're leaving?

01:48:04.000 And I was like, yeah.

01:48:04.000 And they're like, why would you leave?

01:48:06.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

01:48:07.000 They're holding me back.

01:48:08.000 They're not getting me what I need.

01:48:09.000 I don't need, I don't want to be here.

01:48:10.000 Like I have, I have something I need and someone else is offering me it.

01:48:13.000 Like, And his attitude is probably like,

01:48:16.000 what am I doing here with this guy?

01:48:17.000 I don't need him.

01:48:18.000 Yeah. He's right.

01:48:18.000 He owes me nothing.

01:48:19.000 But none of them do.

01:48:20.000 I'm not even mad.

01:48:21.000 I'm like, look, I'm disappointed the show didn't work out.

01:48:23.000 We had plans for the after show and stuff like that.

01:48:26.000 But I'm not mad.

01:48:27.000 I mean, it's like a crazy, exciting night.

01:48:29.000 It is what it is.

01:48:30.000 Couldn't have predicted that, you know?

01:48:31.000 Yeah, same reason I didn't go to the Halloween party.

01:48:34.000 I didn't show up because I get freaked out with lots of emotions.

01:48:38.000 It's just this empathic thing.

01:48:40.000 That's why I'm in my room 98% of the time when I'm here.

01:48:42.000 You need to get out and go exercise, bro.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, we gotta do that kickboxing class.

01:48:45.000 Come on.

01:48:46.000 Yeah, you're right, because that'll help the emotion.

01:48:47.000 And probably Ye could stand to do a little exercise, too, to help control in this hot moment that we're going through as humanity.

01:48:55.000 Yeah, I understand why someone might want to distance himself from high energy.

01:48:59.000 Spence says, wait, Trump gets criticized, but you purposefully invited all three.

01:49:04.000 Uh-huh.

01:49:05.000 I'm not running for president.

01:49:07.000 And Trump gets criticized because it's politics and I'll get criticized all the same.

01:49:11.000 And like I mentioned, there were people saying, Tim, don't host those people.

01:49:14.000 How dare you?

01:49:14.000 Now they're going, you did a really great job.

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:17.000 This is my issue with like the woke grievance politics.

01:49:21.000 If you say, like, I'm gonna go talk to this person, they'll be like, don't do it, don't do it.

01:49:25.000 Look at when Vice covered Charlottesville, and then all the leftist journalists are giving them awards.

01:49:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:33.000 When Vice goes and interviews white nationalists, they win an award for it because it turns out in the end they made them look bad.

01:49:42.000 But if any other journalist says, I'm gonna go interview, they're like, no, no, no, no, don't do it, don't do it, it's wrong.

01:49:45.000 When I said I was gonna go to Sweden, I had Vice people telling me, don't go, you'll help Trump.

01:49:50.000 I'm like, what do you mean I'll help Trump?

01:49:51.000 If Trump is wrong, I'll prove him wrong.

01:49:52.000 No, no, no, don't do it.

01:49:53.000 Then when Vice themselves go to Charlottesville with a white nationalist, they get an award? 1.00

01:49:57.000 These people are total hypocrites, man. 0.99

01:49:58.000 And many times they don't even push back or debate these ideas, they just kind of present them as is. 0.99

01:50:04.000 So that's another, you know, topic for discussion.

01:50:06.000 Peas and Butter says they needed Tim Kast's platform.

01:50:09.000 They would not be here if they did not need you.

01:50:12.000 I just, I, man, people who live in the grievance world get angry and don't want to hear it.

01:50:19.000 They don't want to be on camera.

01:50:20.000 They don't want to be interviewed.

01:50:21.000 They want to be able to say whatever they want because they know they're right, but they can't stand up to scrutiny.

01:50:25.000 So if you've got an idea and you can't handle someone saying something like, what do you mean by that?

01:50:32.000 And then you storm out.

01:50:33.000 I don't think you mean anything.

01:50:34.000 I think you don't know what you're talking about.

01:50:36.000 That's it.

01:50:38.000 I think what happened, here's what I think.

01:50:40.000 I think Ye's life is being destroyed by a handful of powerful individuals, many of them happen to be Jewish. 1.00

01:50:45.000 I think he immediately sees that and says, this must be it.

01:50:49.000 He makes a tweet about it, and I think, didn't he clarify he meant specific people?

01:50:52.000 Yes, he did.

01:50:53.000 And then he gets in touch with certain others who are like, no, no, you were right the first time, and then start agreeing with him and, you know, telling him yes.

01:51:00.000 And then he says, okay, but then he can't actually back those ideas up because there's nothing behind them.

01:51:07.000 Wait a minute, don't conflate Rothschild's banking empire with Judaism, that's for sure. 0.66

01:51:14.000 I like the way you say that, like it's your personal slogan.

01:51:18.000 I'm always telling people.

01:51:19.000 Put it on the wall.

01:51:20.000 That's for sure.

01:51:21.000 It's like an embroidered pillow in your room.

01:51:24.000 I just got silk pillowcases by the way.

01:51:26.000 Someone please embroider that pillow and send it as fan mail.

01:51:29.000 Yeah, that'd be great.

01:51:30.000 Put it on the wall behind.

01:51:32.000 I mean, I've said it a hundred times tonight, but I am just sad that we didn't get the opportunity to have Ye explain both his views on this issue, but also what I really want to know is what are your platforms?

01:51:44.000 If you're seeking political office, I want to know what your stance is.

01:51:47.000 Look at what Milo said.

01:51:48.000 When Ye brought up who he has an issue with, When he brought up this grievance political position, Milo said it's the hypocrisy that people are tired of.

01:52:00.000 Why are they allowed to say one group of people but not another group of people?

01:52:04.000 If that's his position for Ye 24, Trump's got nothing to worry about.

01:52:08.000 If Ye came on this platform and said Trump knew who Fuentes was, Trump was all about it.

01:52:14.000 Trump believes in it.

01:52:15.000 And then said, and we're gonna we're gonna work on fixing the borders.

01:52:19.000 And like, that would have actually hurt Trump.

01:52:21.000 I think what happened tonight was the best thing that could have happened to Trump.

01:52:23.000 It's kind of weird.

01:52:25.000 Like, if this was Milo's revenge, he didn't get it.

01:52:29.000 He just saved Trump.

01:52:31.000 Whatever.

01:52:32.000 I don't know what his plan was.

01:52:34.000 People were like, I got a message.

01:52:35.000 People were like, hey, they're using you, Tim.

01:52:36.000 They're trying to use you.

01:52:37.000 And I'm like, what do you think it is when someone goes on my show?

01:52:39.000 Do you think like anyone who comes on the show ever is just like, I'm doing this for Tim's benefit?

01:52:44.000 They're like, I want to go on the show to get more followers, promote my book, promote my movie.

01:52:48.000 Come on, man.

01:52:49.000 Come on, man!

01:52:51.000 No, we just do it to be nice to you.

01:52:52.000 We don't want you to be sitting here alone talking to yourself.

01:52:54.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 AC Your says, Yay opened with, I'm going to walk if you do not 100% agree with me.

01:53:00.000 He did say that.

01:53:03.000 Not the 100% agree with me part, but he did say, I'm not gonna have a conversation like this.

01:53:09.000 DJ Z says, applauded by the media, clear sign you were wrong.

01:53:13.000 I don't know the media as well as Breitbart that wrote that, but I'm getting commentators, like, just political pundits.

01:53:20.000 Yeah, also, like, wrong about what?

01:53:21.000 Like, I think you were right to have them on.

01:53:23.000 Like, it would have been a really interesting conversation.

01:53:24.000 It's their decision how they conduct themselves in the room and if they want to stay in the room.

01:53:29.000 That's not up to you.

01:53:30.000 I'll be honest.

01:53:30.000 It really was a good conversation, regardless that he left or that they left 30 minutes of awesomeness.

01:53:35.000 And then about 35 minutes of awesomeness.

01:53:37.000 Listen to you guys talk about it afterwards.

01:53:38.000 And then you guys came in and it's still good.

01:53:40.000 Now it's even better because I'm here.

01:53:41.000 Yeah.

01:53:41.000 Ian came in and saved the show.

01:53:42.000 I was looking for you.

01:53:43.000 I was like, where were you?

01:53:44.000 I was like, I couldn't find you.

01:53:45.000 I went downstairs.

01:53:46.000 I talked to them.

01:53:46.000 I tried to get him back.

01:53:47.000 I almost went out there to see him before they left, but I thought I don't want to mess with it.

01:53:52.000 The energy.

01:53:53.000 I just want to kind of let it flow.

01:53:54.000 And like, you're saying an empath, like, do you want a hundred people just like doggedly being like, no, where are you going?

01:53:59.000 When you want to be alone, you want to be alone.

01:54:01.000 That's what I thought.

01:54:02.000 So there's a few things we were going to ask.

01:54:03.000 Like Milo in the past has said he's Jewish.

01:54:05.000 Now he says he's not.

01:54:07.000 Milo called Kanye, called Ye, sorry.

01:54:10.000 Gay before. 0.97

01:54:11.000 At least it's been reported.

01:54:12.000 I've not explicitly seen the tweets.

01:54:14.000 One thing that I did ask him about, like as we're getting ready for the show, there's a post going around that's purportedly from Milo talking about how the United States needs to put Christian interests above Jewish interests.

01:54:25.000 And Milo, he didn't get a chance to talk about it.

01:54:26.000 Like, this is what I wanted to talk about.

01:54:28.000 Like, hey, there's news.

01:54:29.000 Milo said he didn't say that.

01:54:31.000 He reposted that.

01:54:32.000 He was sharing what someone else had said, and it's like the full context isn't even there.

01:54:37.000 He said he wouldn't have phrased it that way, but some of the points were correct.

01:54:42.000 Would have been great if he was here and got to ask those, mention those questions.

01:54:45.000 Then there was also the claims that Fuentes has disparaged black people, but was here working with and for, yay. 1.00

01:54:51.000 We didn't get a chance to get any of that stuff.

01:54:53.000 So it's almost like they couldn't, well, I can't, you know, here's what's sad.

01:54:59.000 Milo and Nick getting up and walking out because Ye did?

01:55:01.000 Come on, guys.

01:55:02.000 Yeah, seriously.

01:55:03.000 Bro, you're, like, both of you are high-profile personalities.

01:55:06.000 I'll tell you, before the show, Ye said, you know, I've raised the profile of these guys.

01:55:12.000 I said, uh, you know, and Milo's mentioning doing these shows, I said, uh, Ye's profile could not be any higher.

01:55:18.000 I mean, before or after this, it's like, it's crazy.

01:55:21.000 Everybody wants to know what he's doing.

01:55:22.000 I mean, I think they think of themselves as a trio.

01:55:26.000 They're all part of his campaign and he's sort of spearheading them.

01:55:28.000 Would you have Nick back?

01:55:29.000 I know we had Milo before.

01:55:31.000 Why would you just walk out because Ye did? 0.99

01:55:33.000 Right.

01:55:34.000 I mean, I think they think of themselves as a trio.

01:55:36.000 They're all part of his campaign and he's sort of spearheading them.

01:55:39.000 Would you have Nick back?

01:55:41.000 Would you have – I know we had Milo before.

01:55:43.000 Would you have them back?

01:55:44.000 I think we should potentially have them both back.

01:55:47.000 But the issue is if they're going to walk out because Ye did, it's like are they leading 0.77

01:55:51.000 this conversation or are they just here for the ride?

01:55:53.000 Yeah, because if I, if me and you went on a show and you got pissed off at the host and walked out, I'd probably stay.

01:55:58.000 I think that'd be the right move.

01:56:00.000 Yeah.

01:56:01.000 Like what are you supposed to do?

01:56:01.000 Cause if you work for, if he's your candidate.

01:56:02.000 I don't think I would ever do that though.

01:56:04.000 Yeah.

01:56:05.000 That's the first thing.

01:56:06.000 Okay.

01:56:06.000 Somebody clip that.

01:56:07.000 If Tim ever walks out of an interview.

01:56:09.000 I don't want to say that cause I'm like, I don't know, man, everybody's human.

01:56:12.000 I mean, I've probably walked out of some something before.

01:56:14.000 I don't know.

01:56:15.000 If an interviewer is intellectually dishonest and not willing to engage in a real conversation, I think that you're understandably going to disengage, right?

01:56:28.000 I mean, I don't think that that was the case with you.

01:56:31.000 You're not even an interviewer.

01:56:33.000 You're just having a discussion.

01:56:35.000 I like that he compared me to Lex Fredman.

01:56:37.000 Can I get the brownie points from the YouTube algorithm the same way that Lex gets them?

01:56:47.000 I think the connection is that you and Lex are like logicians.

01:56:50.000 You guys are both into logic.

01:56:51.000 Very, very strong logic.

01:56:52.000 And Kanye is more emotional.

01:56:55.000 So we sensed the logic in the room.

01:56:59.000 Let me point something out.

01:56:59.000 Hmm.

01:57:05.000 When Yeh was talking about how you can say the black vote, but you can't say Jewish people are doing this thing, it's like, whoa, hold on there a minute. 0.96

01:57:11.000 Jewish people also, in New York City, for instance, Well, actually, I shouldn't say New York City because the wave of crime has changed things, but they do create demographics based on Jewish people.

01:57:23.000 Like, they do have a Jewish demographic based on voting and voting preferences.

01:57:27.000 I lived in Bed-Stuy, and it was a very, very strong, deep, Hasidic community, and their politics were very I don't know what the right word is, but like, unique to that area, is the right way to say it, I suppose.

01:57:43.000 When there were protests over certain issues, it was this one, like COVID lockdown.

01:57:46.000 They were protesting specifically them.

01:57:47.000 You could point out, Jewish people in New York are protesting.

01:57:51.000 Nobody got mad about that.

01:57:52.000 They get mad that like a handful of rich people are hurting you, so you blame those guys.

01:57:58.000 You know, the people in New York City, the Hasidic Jews, were being chased and beaten in the street.

01:58:02.000 Like, that's bad.

01:58:03.000 That shouldn't happen, just because they're Jewish. 1.00

01:58:05.000 Those people with those clothes are not doing anything to anybody.

01:58:09.000 They're minding their own business.

01:58:10.000 They're having families.

01:58:11.000 They're going to synagogue.

01:58:12.000 They're good people.

01:58:13.000 And evil, greedy corporate people, people that are using corporations to control the world, should not hide behind the veil of a religion. 0.99

01:58:21.000 If you're going to call yourself Jewish and you're not living by the tenets of the faith, then you're a demon. 0.98

01:58:25.000 If you're doing that with Christianity, then you're abusing reality. 0.99

01:58:29.000 And you're not.

01:58:30.000 You're good.

01:58:31.000 I feel like we're about to go into a sermon.

01:58:34.000 Julie Bear says, I picked a good night to be a first-time listener.

01:58:37.000 I mean, maybe not.

01:58:39.000 We didn't get to listen to anything.

01:58:40.000 Also, this is not normally the structure of the show.

01:58:42.000 We don't normally just play musical chairs with people.

01:58:45.000 Can we turn it into a drama show?

01:58:47.000 We are the soap opera.

01:58:48.000 Mick Chilla says, Milo knew exactly how it would look to connect Nick and Kanye to Trump.

01:58:52.000 It's already kickstarted the racial argument against his campaign.

01:58:55.000 Convenient Milo has been allowed to surface recently, and now this.

01:58:58.000 I think Elon's going to reinstate Milo.

01:59:02.000 Soon.

01:59:02.000 At Nero.

01:59:04.000 Yeah.

01:59:05.000 And potentially Nick too.

01:59:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:59:07.000 And he should.

01:59:08.000 Nero is an interesting username for a professed Catholic.

01:59:10.000 That's a good name.

01:59:11.000 You could tell he was going through a hard- Isn't it?

01:59:11.000 Funny.

01:59:14.000 Maybe he'll change it.

01:59:16.000 Like a nihilistic period when he made that.

01:59:17.000 Why couldn't we talk about that?

01:59:20.000 I mean, it's unfortunate that I should have just pressed record the moment they sat down.

01:59:26.000 I mean, literally should have.

01:59:28.000 I mean, that's a big mistake on my part.

01:59:30.000 But let them know beforehand, of course.

01:59:32.000 If you had let them know, then it would have changed the whole vibe.

01:59:36.000 But it's so weird that when the cameras were not rolling, the conversation was calm and about faith, philosophy.

01:59:42.000 And when we got into the stuff about, you know, like when I said, I know it's going to come up, I'll push back.

01:59:47.000 They said, we want to talk about the Christian values that need to be restored in this country.

01:59:51.000 And I was like, well, that's interesting.

01:59:52.000 But then instantly it devolves into, I am going to make these assertions and demand that no one actually ask any questions about it.

01:59:59.000 I gotta ask Ye this question, but I wonder if there's a difference between doing a show pre-recorded where there's six of us listening to it, or doing one live where there's 50,000 people, 100,000 people.

02:00:08.000 Also, if that energy of those 100,000 people was heightening the situation.

02:00:12.000 Because at one point, I looked down at my keyboard and kind of lost track.

02:00:16.000 And that was when Kanye was like, it was that exact moment that Kanye was like, I don't remember why I brought up kids.

02:00:21.000 I was thinking about seven things.

02:00:22.000 I was like, God, I just lost track of it, and then so did he.

02:00:25.000 That was one of my favorite moments, when he's like, yeah, sometimes I'm just thinking about seven things, and I was like, I 100% relate to you right now.

02:00:32.000 It can be really overwhelming.

02:00:33.000 Did he have a screen in front of him, or was he just... No.

02:00:35.000 Okay.

02:00:36.000 DJZ says Lex also tried to be the one to correct Ye's wrongthink.

02:00:40.000 That's why he says it's the same.

02:00:42.000 Save adversarial questions for the two debaters.

02:00:46.000 Or do you mean same adversarial?

02:00:48.000 Yo, I literally wanted to be like, yeah, you're allowed to think what you want to think.

02:00:53.000 I don't think I'm going to change his mind.

02:00:54.000 That's why I told him before the show, like, people know you're saying these things.

02:00:59.000 Obviously, people disagree with what you're saying.

02:01:01.000 Obviously, you found people who agree with you.

02:01:03.000 Tell me about what you're doing in politics and what happened with Trump.

02:01:07.000 Explain now that you're in these prominent positions, now you're in the news, you're having an impact.

02:01:11.000 Tell the people why.

02:01:12.000 Well, you know, he did.

02:01:13.000 He did.

02:01:14.000 When I said, why politics?

02:01:16.000 Why Trump?

02:01:16.000 He said, Jewish people.

02:01:18.000 Well, okay.

02:01:18.000 The people heard it loud and clear.

02:01:19.000 That's exactly what your campaign and platform is.

02:01:21.000 And now they know.

02:01:22.000 And this is why I believe in free speech.

02:01:24.000 Because I genuinely thought they were going to try to have something to talk about.

02:01:27.000 And if the only thing they can talk about is that they hate a group of people or they're concerned, I shouldn't say it like that, they're concerned a group of people have it out for them.

02:01:33.000 No one's gonna vote for you.

02:01:35.000 And you will not amass any political power.

02:01:37.000 And it turns out sunlight might actually be the best disinfectant.

02:01:40.000 Yeah.

02:01:42.000 C'est la vie.

02:01:43.000 I want to say this.

02:01:44.000 I'm not mad at him.

02:01:46.000 I don't know exactly what happened.

02:01:47.000 I'm trying to text them and say, like, what's going on.

02:01:50.000 I'm not going to cry about it.

02:01:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:52.000 These things happen.

02:01:53.000 And I'll say it again.

02:01:54.000 Ye owes me nothing.

02:01:55.000 Literally nothing.

02:01:56.000 He's his own guy.

02:01:57.000 I hope he finds his path, man.

02:02:01.000 I hope he finds his path.

02:02:01.000 All right.

02:02:03.000 Let's just try and grab a couple more here.

02:02:04.000 Some of the later ones.

02:02:08.000 All right.

02:02:10.000 Brian says, Ye's point about the black vote versus the Jews and identitarianism was spot on. 0.98

02:02:15.000 How do you reconcile that?

02:02:16.000 I did, and I'll reconcile it again.

02:02:18.000 The black vote is a handful of working class, poor, wealthy, basically every single individual and the tendencies they have towards voting.

02:02:26.000 When Kanye is talking about Jewish people, he's not talking about cultural identity, politics, conservatism, tendencies to vote liberal or otherwise.

02:02:34.000 He's saying, because there's a handful of powerful, wealthy people who happen to be Jewish, it is Jewish people who have it out for me.

02:02:40.000 And I'm like, yo, like, my guy and my employee who are downstairs and are very Jewish, they actually like your music, they're fans, they just don't like what you're saying about them.

02:02:50.000 They don't have it out for you at all.

02:02:51.000 That's the distinction.

02:02:54.000 Why insult people who actually like you?

02:02:56.000 Why make them your enemies because you've chosen to attack their identity instead of the argument?

02:03:01.000 That's very different.

02:03:02.000 If you want to come out and say, Jewish people in New York vote this way, nobody gonna get mad at you! 0.99

02:03:07.000 They're gonna be like, that's true.

02:03:08.000 They are very religious, they are conservative, they tend to vote these certain ways.

02:03:11.000 If you're gonna say that there are a lot of liberal Jewish people in New York that tend to vote this way, yeah, that's called the demographic.

02:03:16.000 We do that all the time. 0.90

02:03:17.000 If you're gonna come out and say that BLM is all black people and they're the ones causing the riots, you're wrong. 0.97

02:03:22.000 Because Black Lives Matter is actually a bunch of white people. 0.93

02:03:24.000 Like, I hate that people are, uh, you, like, I just put it that, look, man, I'm in Portland, and I'm watching the Proud Boys march, and I'm looking at Antifa. 0.98

02:03:33.000 Antifa is a bunch of white people screaming racial slurs at a black Proud Boy.

02:03:37.000 And I'm like, these, you see, man? 0.99

02:03:40.000 And they call the Proud Boys white supremacists.

02:03:42.000 And I've told this story before, the black Proud Boy got angry, and he took it personally, and he went to cross the street, crossed the line between the cops, and a white, white Proud Boy stopped him, And said, stop!

02:03:52.000 Don't let them get to you, man.

02:03:53.000 They're trying to get to you.

02:03:54.000 And he grabbed his hand and said, you're my brother.

02:03:55.000 We're brothers.

02:03:56.000 Don't take the bait.

02:03:57.000 Something like that.

02:03:58.000 And I was like, that's so crazy.

02:04:00.000 When it was Antifa in front of an ICE detention center screaming racial slurs at a black ICE agent, I'm like, dude... 0.89

02:04:07.000 These are the people that I have a problem with. 0.86

02:04:09.000 The racists, the anti-Semites, the people who think that your worth is based on what you look like, or your religion or identity.

02:04:15.000 No.

02:04:16.000 Obviously religion plays a bigger role than your race.

02:04:19.000 Certain religions are very, very, you know, like, extreme. 0.99

02:04:22.000 I get it.

02:04:23.000 But I'm gonna talk to someone about their ideas and have an argument as an individual and not blame an entire group of people.

02:04:29.000 I get it, man.

02:04:30.000 And I'll say this, too.

02:04:31.000 Obviously, demographics have beliefs and directions.

02:04:35.000 But Kanye wasn't talking about that.

02:04:36.000 He was saying, they, referring to Jewish people, are trying to take his money and put him in jail.

02:04:40.000 And I'm like, dude.

02:04:43.000 They are not.

02:04:44.000 Some people are.

02:04:46.000 The overwhelming majority, 99.99999, don't.

02:04:49.000 In fact, I bet a whole bunch of them actually are fans, until you started saying this stuff.

02:04:53.000 They was actually, that was the vague moment that everything got heightened and then he left.

02:04:57.000 Because I was talking about establishment powers, elites, corporate press, the people who want power, the woke.

02:05:04.000 This is the thing.

02:05:05.000 When we say woke, they think Jewish people.

02:05:09.000 Interesting.

02:05:09.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 Wait, who's they?

02:05:11.000 I think I know who you're believing.

02:05:13.000 When Ye and them, like before the show, when I mentioned something about cancel culture, he didn't say woke SJW, he said Jewish people.

02:05:21.000 I see.

02:05:22.000 And I was like, you don't seriously think that.

02:05:23.000 People are kind of creating a demon creature, like the woke mob.

02:05:26.000 Like we've kind of created that, or at least I feel like I have inadvertently, that I've created like a demon.

02:05:32.000 Because who is it?

02:05:33.000 I don't know.

02:05:33.000 A boogeyman.

02:05:34.000 Until I see their eyes.

02:05:36.000 It's a reference to a cult ideology.

02:05:39.000 It's a reference to an idea.

02:05:41.000 And I'll even say this.

02:05:43.000 I say it all the time, like, I have friends who are leftists and people are like, Tim's lying, it's not true.

02:05:47.000 I'm like, no, dude, it's literally true.

02:05:49.000 When that tweet went viral where I said that there was a grooming thing at Club Q and that we need to prevent the violence but also stop grooming, they tried claiming that I was promoting Like, this is a funny thing.

02:06:00.000 They're like spamming my Wikipedia trying to claim I endorsed this or condone it.

02:06:03.000 I'm like, yo, my tweet thread was literally like, stop advocating for violence against people, even the people you hate the most.

02:06:09.000 We need law enforcement to handle these things.

02:06:12.000 They take it completely out of context.

02:06:13.000 When I said that, I have leftist friends who are like, bro, how could you tweet that?

02:06:16.000 And I had to talk to them and argue with them and be like, guys, you know that's not what I'm saying.

02:06:20.000 And they're like, yeah, but the way it came off.

02:06:21.000 And I'm like, well, so be it, dude.

02:06:22.000 Like, I literally said, stop calling for violence, stop advocating for violence.

02:06:25.000 If you think it's the other way around, then that's you, not me.

02:06:28.000 Anyway, you guys want to get any final thoughts before I guess we wrap up?

02:06:32.000 Uh, you go first.

02:06:34.000 No.

02:06:34.000 Are we gonna go in a circle?

02:06:36.000 I'll look to Leonard.

02:06:37.000 Hold the stick.

02:06:38.000 I'm good.

02:06:38.000 I think we already went around in circles a couple times.

02:06:41.000 Yeah, I feel like all I have to say is what I've said at least 57 times, which is like, R.A.P., this really interesting conversation that could have been.

02:06:48.000 Is this our outro?

02:06:49.000 I wish we knew you.

02:06:50.000 I think this is the outro, yeah.

02:06:51.000 I'll say, Kanye, come back.

02:06:54.000 Come back to pop culture.

02:06:56.000 No, just on my show, please.

02:06:57.000 His name is Yes.

02:06:58.000 I mean, that's the sign for yes.

02:07:00.000 But could you imagine?

02:07:03.000 Yay or nay?

02:07:04.000 Yay was going to go on Pop Culture Crisis 2 with Milo.

02:07:08.000 But could you imagine?

02:07:09.000 Like, there's a new movie out from Disney.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, man, but those Jewish people. 1.00

02:07:13.000 What?

02:07:14.000 Dude, come on.

02:07:15.000 I, like, bro, we got... I guess it wouldn't have gone very well either way.

02:07:19.000 We got a few minutes into the show and he went right off.

02:07:22.000 Shout out Danny Paula's truck with that tweet. 0.95

02:07:25.000 You nailed it.

02:07:26.000 I can't believe the thing he's been talking about for two months came up on the show.

02:07:30.000 Sure, but right away.

02:07:31.000 Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out.

02:07:33.000 Smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.

02:07:35.000 We do have a behind-the-scenes, uncensored view.

02:07:39.000 We filmed them on the trip out here, and then probably storming off.

02:07:43.000 And, uh, we're gonna put it up.

02:07:44.000 I think we're gonna have it up tomorrow.

02:07:46.000 And, um, I think it's- it might be going up as Cast Castle, I'm not sure.

02:07:50.000 Uh, like an overt real vlog, I guess.

02:07:53.000 Just check everything, man.

02:07:54.000 It'll be on the website.

02:07:55.000 You'll see it.

02:07:56.000 And we're gonna put it up.

02:07:57.000 It is what it is.

02:07:59.000 And then we'll shout it out, I suppose.

02:08:02.000 You can follow the show at Timcast IRL, follow us on Instagram, you can follow me personally at Timcast.

02:08:06.000 To the people who stormed in to save the show after the guest stormed off, who wants to shout their stuff out?

02:08:12.000 Well, firstly, my gems are not demonic, Milo.

02:08:15.000 I see you out there.

02:08:16.000 I know you're listening to the show still.

02:08:17.000 Thank you for putting your beads on my geometric patterns over there.

02:08:20.000 That was Nick.

02:08:21.000 That was Nick.

02:08:21.000 Thank you, Nick, for doing that.

02:08:22.000 And yes, we will talk about fractals next time I see you, Milo.

02:08:27.000 Have fun.

02:08:27.000 Love you guys.

02:08:28.000 See you.

02:08:28.000 Bye.

02:08:30.000 I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.

02:08:31.000 I'm a writer for TimCast.com and occasionally I suddenly appear in the guest chair.

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02:08:51.000 And yeah, and you'll see me tomorrow, not yay, don't worry guys, I'll be there, on Tuesday, A Pop Culture Crisis with Mary.

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02:09:08.000 You're laughing at something, Tim.

02:09:10.000 Someone sent me the video of what happened, and the look on my face when yay gets up, Your eyes are popping out of your head.

02:09:19.000 I was like, another fight?

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02:09:30.000 I did a story about Balenciaga on my members area, LukeUncensored.com.

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02:09:41.000 Still a Ye fan, still a Milo fan.

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02:09:46.000 I don't really use it.

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02:09:48.000 You guys know what it is.

02:09:49.000 Tomorrow is gonna be amazing.

02:09:51.000 Yeah, seriously.

02:09:52.000 So, Michael already announced this, but Michael Malice is gonna be here, and it's episode 666.

02:09:57.000 This is hilarious, because before the show, I was like, you guys are on episode 665.

02:10:02.000 And they were like, oh.

02:10:03.000 And Ye's like, what does that mean?

02:10:04.000 And then Nick was like, one less than 666.

02:10:06.000 And he's like, wow.

02:10:07.000 And I was like, and tomorrow, it's Michael Malice.

02:10:10.000 And they were like, he's a Jewish anarchist.

02:10:13.000 Oh, no, he was like, he's Jewish. 0.96

02:10:15.000 I'm like, no, he's an anarchist.

02:10:17.000 And I'm like, and I'm sure Mal's is gonna come on and have like a book's worth of intelligent things say we're big fans.

02:10:27.000 Michael, we're excited.

02:10:28.000 You're gonna be coming.

02:10:29.000 Yeah.

02:10:29.000 All right, everybody.

02:10:30.000 We'll see you all tomorrow.

02:10:30.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 29, 2022

Timcast IRL - Ye, Fuentes, Milo Join To Discuss Trump Dinner And Ye24

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