In this episode of Conspiracy or Just Warrants Gone Wrong, we discuss the case of a man named Duncan Lemp, who was shot and killed by police while asleep in his bedroom. The police officer involved in this case is the same one who killed a 21-year-old man who was asleep outside of his home on Friday, March 14, 2019.
00:02:20.000I have something that I want to be true and believe, but I'll talk about it when we're talking about the subject.
00:02:25.000Well, so this first story, I read the article, the Duncan Lemp one, and I, you know, it's a similar story we hear a lot, so I didn't know if there's anything, you know, like, I don't know how to actually, like, address what's happening.
00:02:37.000People think it's, like, some grand conspiracy.
00:02:39.000Somebody commented in the Super Chat, this guy was, like, working on some kind of encrypted program or Bitcoin or something like that.
00:02:45.000Yeah, I haven't seen anything, but it feels like if he was they would probably want to keep it under wraps, you know, whatever it was.
00:02:52.000But I'm sure someone out there knows and just doesn't want to say anything because if this happened to, you know, the person they know that was working on it.
00:03:38.000Maryland man fatally shot by police while asleep in his bedroom.
00:03:41.000Montgomery County Police said Duncan Socrates Lemp confronted officers as eyewitnesses gave contrary account.
00:03:48.000They report a Maryland man who was shot and killed by a police officer was asleep in his bedroom when police opened fire from outside his house, an attorney for the 21-year-old man's family said on Friday.
00:03:58.000The man's girlfriend was also wounded.
00:04:01.000The Montgomery County Police Department said in a news release, Duncan Socrates Lemp confronted police and was shot by one of the officers early on Thursday.
00:04:09.000But Renee Sandler, an attorney for Lemp's relatives, said an eyewitness gave a completely contrary account of the shooting.
00:04:15.000She said police could have absolutely no justification for shooting Lemp based on what she has heard about the circumstances.
00:04:21.000The facts as I understand them from eyewitnesses are incredibly concerning.
00:04:26.000The warrant police obtained to search the Potomac home Lemp shared with his parents
00:04:30.000and 19-year-old brother does not mention any imminent threat to law enforcement or to the
00:04:35.000public. Lemp's relatives said in a statement released by their lawyers. Nobody in the house
00:04:39.000that morning had a criminal record, the statement said. Any attempt by the police to shift
00:04:43.000responsibility onto Duncan or his family who were sleeping when police fired shots into their home
00:04:48.000is not supported by the facts. A police department spokesman did not immediately respond to statements
00:04:53.000from the family or their lawyer. The department's news release said tactical unit members were
00:04:58.000serving a high-risk search warrant around 4 30 a.m. when police fired shots into the home.
00:05:04.000Police detectives recovered three rifles and two handguns from the home.
00:05:08.000Lemp was prohibited from possessing firearms, police said.
00:05:12.000Detectives were following up on a complaint from the public that Lempth, though prohibited, was in possession of firearms, the release said, without elaborating.
00:05:21.000Sandler said the family believes police fired gunshots, not a flashbang or other projectile, from outside the home, including through Lempth's bedroom window, while he and his girlfriend were sleeping.
00:05:31.000Nobody in the home heard any warnings or commands before police opened fire.
00:05:35.000There is no warrant or other justification that would ever allow for that unless there is an imminent threat, which there was not.
00:05:41.000The police release said facts and circumstances of the encounter were still under investigation.
00:05:46.000Prosecutors from neighboring Howard County will review the evidence at the conclusion of the investigation.
00:07:00.000This is really interesting because we're starting to see, you know, the left for the longest time has decried police brutality and a lack of accountability.
00:07:08.000Now, especially with red flag laws, conservatives are also saying basically the same thing.
00:07:12.000And then it is interesting, too, when you see there's a lot of sheriffs and police who are saying they refuse to serve like confiscation orders or anything like that.
00:07:21.000So we'll see how far that, you know, whoever it is who wants to push these laws, we'll see how far they take it.
00:07:45.000So like, and they, they, as that eyewitness said, they didn't announce themselves.
00:07:50.000They didn't like, this is a, we're serving a warrant.
00:07:53.000So if you're in the middle, if you're waking up at 4 30, hearing someone, Breaking into your house without hearing that there's a police, what do you think it's gonna be?
00:08:03.000It's a robber or someone coming to shoot you.
00:08:43.000That statement, the third revision of their official account of the fatal raid, is contradicted by multiple eyewitnesses.
00:08:49.000Police now say that the raid was spurred by an anonymous tip at the beginning of the year, indicating that Lemp was in possession of firearms.
00:09:37.000According to the statement from family members, the raid began when SWAT officers initiated gunfire and flashbangs through Duncan Lem's bedroom window in the front of the house, according to the police.
00:09:45.000Upon making contact with Lem, officers identified themselves as police and gave him multiple orders to show his hands.
00:09:51.000The press release reads almost as if Lemp died from an overwhelming sense of guilt, rather than being shot perhaps multiple times by police.
00:09:59.000It also doesn't specify whether they'd shot or otherwise wounded Lemp before making contact and issuing commands.
00:10:05.000According to Lemp's pregnant girlfriend, who was in bed.
00:10:30.000Was he quote found to be in possession as he lay on the floor bleeding?
00:10:33.000And was it Lemp or the rifle that was directly, quote, in front of the interior bedroom entrance door?
00:10:39.000The police claim to be vindicated because they found five firearms in the house and because they asserted today that Lemp had a criminal history as a juvenile.
00:10:45.000I thought they said there was no criminal history in the other article from The Guardian.
00:10:49.000That prohibited him from legally possessing or purchasing firearms in the state of Maryland until the age of 30.
00:10:54.000Do the police have a right to kill anyone who possesses a firearm in violation of any statute on the books?
00:11:00.000If so, that's bad news for the tens of thousands of Maryland gun owners who are federal felons because they use marijuana or other illicit drugs.
00:11:08.000The police department has offered a sham of transparency.
00:11:10.000They refused to answer any of my questions last Friday.
00:11:13.000I sent another set of questions to them this morning prior to the latest revision of their story among them.
00:11:18.000Many people online have suggested that Lemp was targeted for a raid because he was helping to build a secure computer site for people who shared his pro-gun political beliefs.
00:11:28.000Did concerns about Lemp's political beliefs or associations factor into the SWAT team's decision to launch a violent raid at 4.30am?
00:11:36.000Did the SWAT team or other police department or Montgomery County officials do any assessment of the likelihood that someone would be injured or killed by a nighttime SWAT raid that began with shooting or flashbangs?
00:11:46.000Did Montgomery County police or other officials make any effort or even consider making an effort to serve the search warrant in any way that would have permitted the peaceful, voluntary cooperation of Lemp family members?
00:11:59.000He goes on to say that he sent these to them.
00:12:03.000So, you know, in the end, he says the Montgomery County Police Department doesn't have a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent after it kills county residents.
00:12:10.000The SWAT team wore body cams and police have thus far refused to release the footage.
00:12:15.000They deserve no benefit of the doubt for this violent killing.
00:12:18.000Yeah, I want to see that body cam footage.
00:12:44.000Yeah, dude, this kind of stuff happens all the time.
00:12:46.000So, look, people, yeah, people have been saying this guy was developing some kind of encrypted chat system or something and all of a sudden the cops came and took him out.
00:12:54.000You know, the issue I take with that for the most part is, is that enough to kill?
00:12:59.000Like, there's companies that have encryption that have resisted national security letters and then been shut down.
00:13:04.000You know, there are activist websites that do email that have the feds come and seize their servers.
00:13:10.000Would some dude working on this warrant, like, an assassination by the state?
00:13:39.000I interviewed an NYPD detective and he told me, this was years ago, he said there's nothing more dangerous, and this is a little hyperbolic, than a scared person holding a gun.
00:13:49.000And you have these police officers who keep saying, I'm scared for my life.
00:13:59.000He told me a story about how He had his gun, he confronted a crazy guy who had his gun drawn, and he refused to draw his weapon.
00:14:06.000And he was like, because if I draw, I'm escalating that conflict, and now that guy, we're getting in a shoot-off, and I was like, bro, I'm not gonna draw, I'm gonna keep my hands up, and I'm gonna talk to you, there's no way out of this, you gotta put it down, eventually the guy put it down, and they took care of things.
00:14:44.000I was talking to... I can't remember where I saw this, but I was reading a story about some cops and their mentality when it comes to dangerous situations.
00:14:53.000And I've talked to some people who have served, who have done law enforcement stuff, and there's this idea that some of them say is, I'm not going to risk my life for you.
00:15:03.000And so there needs to be some kind of cultural honor within police culture, I guess, where it's not about you going to work and dealing with annoying people, it's about you being a hero who's supposed to defend the community.
00:15:18.000And that means you are held to a higher standard, it means you are at risk, and it means that yes, you will put yourself on the line to do the right thing.
00:15:27.000So I can understand, it's like if you're walking up to a car, Cause I've seen, I've also seen these videos, man, where, uh, cause they released body cam stuff for this too.
00:15:35.000A cop is walking up to a car and then the guy in the front, and then he walks up and he's like, licensed registration.
00:15:40.000And then the dude reaches down and pulls out a gun and goes, pop, pop, pop, pop.
00:15:49.000There's people that just simply hate cops.
00:15:51.000Doesn't matter who what kind of cop like it could have been the best cop You know who walked up and would have probably let him off, but it doesn't matter They had drugs in the car or like something something Warren, right?
00:16:02.000And they're like there's nothing that's gonna stop me from killing this cop and getting out of here because that's a fight-or-flight Yeah, who's that guy was it?
00:16:11.000Alton Sterling was that his name yeah in his car I hope I'm getting the right name.
00:17:18.000I think that was in Baltimore, I think.
00:17:20.000Check out this story from 2018, and I gotta be honest, I just Google-searched red flag law, like, killed, and then it's like all these stories pop up where the police get a warrant to come to someone's property and take their guns without them knowing, without giving them a reason, without serving them, they just walk up and say, turn them over.
00:17:36.000You gotta realize, like, the people who own weapons believe in their right to own weapons, and the Constitution straight up says you can.
00:18:18.000According to police, two officers serving a new extreme risk protective order, a Maryland protective order to remove guns from a household, shot and killed the man listed on that order.
00:18:28.000Under the law, family, police, mental health professionals can all ask for the protective orders to remove weapons.
00:18:34.000The man was identified as Gary J. Willis of the same address.
00:18:37.000Officials said Willis answered the door while holding a handgun.
00:18:40.000Willis then placed the handgun next to the door.
00:18:42.000When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.
00:18:46.000One of the officers tried to take the gun from Willis, but instead, Willis fired the gun.
00:18:50.000The second officer fired a gun, striking Willis.
00:19:22.000Well, the argument is that there are limits on the amendments.
00:19:27.000Like, within free speech, you know, you can be sued for slander, and if you threaten someone's life, you can be charged with, you know, threatening someone's life.
00:21:45.000Look, man, I'm annoyed with all the people who go out and don't care and ignore quarantine stuff, because it's like, It's not that big a deal, man.
00:21:52.000You don't have to go fight on the front lines.
00:22:02.000I don't think, you know, what they've been saying is 12 to 18 months, two months on, one month off, that kind of thing, until we have a vaccine.
00:22:10.000But I don't like the idea of just blindly trusting the government.
00:22:15.000For now, I'm looking at all these other countries, and I'm like, okay, I think it's clear to see, like, there's not an international cabal conspiracy to, you know, make this stuff happen.
00:22:24.000But never let a good Christ go to waste.
00:22:27.000So, like, Viktor Orban, for instance, in Hungary, just recently enacted, or they're proposing a law, a bill, that would change all the laws that say the word gender to gender at birth.
00:22:39.000So it's like, that's a political ideological move.
00:22:43.000And while I understand what they're doing, and to a certain degree I agree with like, protecting civil rights for biological females, I understand, I do not agree with like, oh what's that?
00:22:53.000We got decree power because we're under a pandemic?
00:22:55.000Now let's do a bunch of political agenda items that we wanted to get done because no one can stop us.
00:23:20.000And the problem is people who want to be fair and rational and good faith and have an honest conversation typically don't want to be in charge.
00:23:30.000But these sociopaths who think they're smarter than you want to be in charge, so they run for office, they get elected, and then they start seizing power and doing really stupid things.
00:23:40.000Most people don't pay attention, so it just keeps getting worse.
00:23:48.000We'll hop over to those super chats, and then we will talk about the next story we have is This is not the apocalypse you were looking for.
00:23:57.000Pop culture has inundated with catastrophe porn for decades.
00:24:02.000None of that has prepared us for our new reality.
00:25:55.000We might be able to, but the thing, the issue with Skype is that getting the camera system to go into Skype versus what we use with our live production software, totally, totally different.
00:26:07.000So having someone, it's not so much even about being set up for Skype.
00:26:10.000It's also just like, we wanted to be an in-person show podcast, not another, you know, cause everybody, you know, just like you could do a Skype conversation easily.
00:26:19.000We were actually bringing guests out, sitting them down, having conversations, you know, jerky and stuff.
00:26:23.000They can't run away, and they can't turn the camera off.
00:26:25.000Yeah, especially now, because we'll have him trapped in the middle.
00:26:55.000All right, let's see what we got here.
00:26:57.000Wolf Spain says, Hey Tim, if you were to buy a gun, would you go ahead and buy it or would you go to a gun range to learn how to use it properly first?
00:27:05.000And I did when we were covering, when I was covering a story in Ferguson about the riots and everything, I thought it would be appropriate to actually go to a range, talk to people and fire a weapon so that I could get a general, just a little feel for like, you know, I don't think it was appropriate.
00:28:20.000And I got to watch, like, this dude had a belt-fed, I could be wrong because I know very little about guns, but it was like, I think it was a belt-fed, like, old World War II 762 or something like that.
00:28:47.000Well, the drone, the drone was broken a little bit, but still flew.
00:28:50.000Okay, so the the problem was that the controller was broken it could still go up and down Okay, and so I was like it's busted man.
00:28:57.000I can't do anything with it There's no warranty or anything and I was like obviously I don't want you to break it But if it broke and then I tried to fly it and then I broke the propeller So I'm like let's lift this target up the weight when it
00:29:08.000was going up the the This the strings I had tied to it. Yeah, we're slightly off
00:29:14.000So it went up it tilted from the weight lifting it and then Flipped and then crashed and the propellers broke and then
00:29:19.000I couldn't fly it anymore So I was like you guys can keep it like it works, but yeah,
00:29:22.000I figured out that's cool But it's cool like yeah, so the videos on my main channel
00:29:25.000from a few years ago And it's like they had all of these different kinds of guns
00:29:30.000It was crazy And they were doing they were doing like a speed shooting
00:29:34.000contest where there's like five There's a post with like five targets. Yeah, and you have
00:29:38.000to like ting ting ting ting cool stuff. Yeah Do you ever see the Keanu Reeves doing? Yeah, dude
00:30:37.000Joseph Kessler says, Hey Beanie Brigade, I sent a link to the TimKest IRL Instagram full of compiled statistics and data about COVID infection rates, number of people dying with previous conditions, et cetera, by country too.
00:31:36.000So what's happening in Ecuador is bodies are piling up in the streets.
00:31:39.000from coronavirus yeah oh man that's that's you know what i really want to do can we figure out if uh i don't want to start the world on fire is public domain yet i will look it up is it a great song i mean i could play it no because if it's not public domain then they'll turn the stream off they'll disable audio just because i'm covering it it would be oh you played it on the guitar i can actually play the song i think that's fine I would think so.
00:33:13.000That's the one where they have the light in their hand, and when they turn 30, it flashes before they turn 30, and once they turn 30, it turns red, and they get executed.
00:33:23.000Yeah, that reminds me of a really funny joke that Family Guy did, where they did a callback, or whatever it's called, a cutaway gag.
00:33:31.000And it was like every 80s sci-fi movie ever, and it was very much so.
00:33:37.000They're running through a red desert wearing weird suits, and then it's like a guy and a woman, and he's like, we have to escape the corporation!
00:33:44.000And then the woman stops running, and he's like, what are you doing?
00:33:47.000And then she shoots him, and then he's like, why?
00:33:49.000And then she pulls her face off, and she's a robot, and it goes boing, boing, boing, and it zooms out.
00:33:58.000Front Hole Enthusiast says, while it's true Tim Pool did not build a Zeppelin while eating ice cream, his true reports say he did indeed build a Zeppelin.
00:35:07.000If you want to get the link to the show, you have to subscribe and hit the notification bell.
00:35:12.000YouTube is supposed to send you the link, and what's kind of annoying is that they don't.
00:35:19.000We just need to make sure we post the unlisted link in the community section.
00:35:23.000The reason we're doing this is that when you have a channel and you have a two hour long video next to a ten minute video, People will click the two-hour-long video, especially on a podcast with a live opening, and they X out right away, and then YouTube says, whoa, people don't want to watch this, and they punish the entirety of your channel for this.
00:35:42.000So by putting the full-length podcast unlisted, only the people who know what they're getting and want to watch, so it doesn't destroy and disrupt the rest of the channel.
00:39:15.000So it's like every year, I mentioned this before, like every year I go through a new like, okay, I have to check mark all the tricks I haven't done yet to make sure I'm going through all of them.
00:40:00.000LSD also made my dreams more vivid and showed flaws in my personality.
00:40:03.000It's nice that some states are actually starting to do research into this and it's wonderful because it actually can help people.
00:40:11.000You ever see that libertarian t-shirt that says something like, I wanna pay for my gay wedding with bitcoin while smoking pot and firing my guns or something like that?
00:40:32.000You know why the general libertarian, whatever you want to call it, they're not all unified in terms of policy completely.
00:40:41.000But I'll tell you this, I'd rather have a right libertarian kind of system where it's just sort of more of a free market free-for-all than anything else if I had to, because you can build whatever system you want within it.
00:40:54.000Yeah, that's true. So if like our country was extremely libertarian, it's like, okay, well,
00:40:58.000I will set up my own whatever I want with my own rules. It's something Ron Paul said. I think it
00:41:04.000was Ron Paul. He said, so nothing is stopping any socialist from creating their own socialist town
00:41:10.000and creating their socialist rules and creating a commune.
00:41:12.000Why aren't they doing it? And some actually are. Yeah.
00:41:16.000There's a very famous commune, and you gotta apply to get in, and they do it right.
00:41:21.000They all farm, they all work really, really hard.
00:41:23.000And I think people don't realize, the reason why they don't do it, the people who claim they want it, is because they don't realize you work all day, every day.
00:42:02.000The trolley is on one track and there's people and it says, you can stop the trolley at any time, but it would cause a loss of profits for the trolley corporation.
00:42:09.000And it is funny, but they don't seem to understand that if there's no economy, there are no medical workers.
00:42:17.000So if the hospital can't pay for anything, they run out of money, why would a nurse or doctor continue working if they can't pay their bills, eat food, or pay their rent?
00:42:50.000It's really annoying to me to see, like, there was a viral thread, the Young Turks guy was pushing it out, where a guy says, this is proof that if they really wanted to, they could do universal healthcare.
00:42:58.000And I'm like, bro, a one-time $6 trillion infusion is not the same as a consistent $30 trillion or $3 trillion infusion every year that dramatically inflates or deflates our currency and cause it to be worthless.
00:43:45.000John McCloud says, have a 20 face mask order from the manager of the inn inside the gated community I guard after he saw the mask I was wearing that I made.
00:44:18.000But when research is being done in this country, when engineering is being done in development, It's people here, you know, who are paid to do it.
00:48:11.000And why don't they issue, at first, a warning saying, you know, uh, you have, you have, you have been warned in the next, you know, 24 hours or whatever, a war officer will be arriving.
00:48:22.000Please, you know, So they at least know not to shoot the police, not to have a shootout.
00:49:43.000The weird thing to me about, like, the anti-NRA argument is, like, you know, you see these activists saying, like, we're coming for you, NRA!
00:49:51.000It's like, the NRA is a non—it's like, they're—my understanding is they're a nonprofit, and they function based off of a ton of members.
00:49:58.000It's not like there's an evil, you know, Dr. Doom, Going, now that I've convinced all of these people to be dupes, I will do whatever I want.
00:50:07.000No, it's all of the people contacting the NRA and saying, here's what we want you to do.
00:51:59.000And I was asking him about the problem of surveillance states.
00:52:02.000And he said, if the government knew everything you were doing all the time, They would, you smoke pot, and then they show up and they arrest you, right?
00:52:09.000But we're now starting to legalize pot, like, recreationally in all these different states.
00:52:14.000How would we know that we want it to be, you know, legal recreationally unless people were actually smoking it illegally?
00:52:21.000And I said, that's a really good point.
00:52:24.000If nobody was smoking because the government said no, and they had a surveillance state, then we would eventually just default into harder and harder authoritarianism.
00:52:32.000There would never be an opportunity for repealing laws or decriminalizing things.
00:52:38.000And then eventually people are sitting in a gray cubicle, wearing a gray jumpsuit, their heads shaved, just like shaking, wondering, like they move their hand to grab a scissors.
00:54:02.000Nathan says, a guy I work with said the government should suspend the whole constitution to give them the ability to get a hold of this virus.
00:55:20.000And I'm like, The smart TV and he's like, yeah, so anyway, there's like microphones, you know, and they're like It's true that there's there's microphones in them though, right?
00:55:28.000Cuz it's like the their voice activation echo speakers that right be like, hey put this show on and they can do that Those things are always listening.
00:55:40.000Yep They they like we did a segment on it.
00:55:41.000They lie about it but they use weasel words to say things like you'll ask them and Is it always recording?
00:55:47.000And instead of saying yes or no, they'll say, well, the, you know, whatever device activates upon saying its name, and then it begins recording.
00:58:47.000Andrew Hoft says, hey Tim, in your honest opinion, do you think the collapse of civilization will be a slow and painful process or a quick and less painful process?
00:58:55.000Also, giving everything going with COVID-19, you should start coming with good names for your beanie babies.
00:59:01.000I think the apocalypse is going to be, it's like a rollercoaster.
00:59:05.000You're slowly getting to the peak, and then you slowly, and then boom, it's going to be crazy.
00:59:11.000Dude, the post office is shutting down.
00:59:33.000So what people were saying when the first report came out of 3.3 million, they were like, yes, it's high, but it's not the greatest it's ever been.
00:59:39.000You see, because it all happened at once, people don't seem to realize that throughout the Great Recession, which was, you know, 10 or 12 months, that unemployment claims actually totaled this, you know, 7 million number.
01:00:10.000But I don't know what they mean by that.
01:00:11.000Yeah, because every week you're supposed to call to update and they ask you questions.
01:00:14.000It could be new claims, so it could be 10 million people.
01:00:17.000But you add all that together, and with, you know, people buying guns, you know, like crazy, mass unemployment, the hospital workers are starting to get pay suspended and shut off.
01:00:27.000If we can't even have hospital workers in the hospitals, then COVID's gonna wipe everyone out anyway.
01:01:03.000If I don't think, you know, I shouldn't say I, but if someone's like, the cops aren't going to enforce anything anyway, then they do whatever they want.
01:01:09.000I'm gonna take things into my own hands for good and bad.
01:01:12.000Not even about that, but like, oh, I can't do a U-turn here.
01:02:36.000You know, this... You can't go out in March for... And it is kind of scary to a certain degree because people fighting for civil rights has been a good thing in most circumstances.
01:02:46.000I say most because these authoritarian weirdos who claim to be fighting for it are not.
01:02:50.000But like, when you're at war, they suspend civil liberties.
01:02:55.000And I don't know if I agree with it, but I think it was Glenn Greenwald and Kyle Kulinski, they're very progressive, were tweeting about the begrudging feeling where you have a desire for state authority to protect us from the virus while being a very anti-authoritarian, liberty-minded individual.
01:03:50.000The Price is Right says, I respectfully question your statement on the baby blip.
01:03:53.000When I see you do videos on why marriage rates are low and the divorce surge in this pandemic, it's really not going to be fun for a lot of women.
01:04:03.000Stevie says, is there any new COVID gun owners without, if there's any new COVID gun owners without knowledge, I'd be happy to help teach the basics locally, Dallas-Fort Worth, over chat, or over chat.
01:04:13.000And then he says, same name, SZettle on Discord, just want y'all to stay safe and healthy.
01:04:19.000Benito says, live in California, just got news my big bro is coming down from up north because they canceled classes for academy, corrections.
01:04:26.000Apparently a sergeant got infected, really happy he's coming home, but also scared and worried.
01:04:53.000Connor says, no knock raids are one of the reasons you see people like me at Home Depot in a Hawaiian shirt buying a couple hundred pounds of fertilizer and 50 boxes of nails.
01:06:56.000Well, speaking of those red sunglasses... Hold on, before we move on, I just want to... I saw this one random comment that said, Tim's not the kind of guy who would shoot someone, but Adam is.
01:07:25.000So if someone was like breaking into my house, my first instinct would not be to like to grab the weapon and go charging and be like, it would be to like, yeah, surprise attack.
01:08:18.000Hasn't culture been drenched in catastrophe porn for decades?
01:08:21.000The bomb, the breakdown, the fallout, the senseless armies of shambling corpses, all the nightmares of dead generations sliding out of our screens?
01:08:29.000For more than a decade, young and youngish people have been living in anticipatory grief for everything we know, but somehow this is different.
01:08:37.000The idea of imminent, annihilating catastrophe has been part of the collective unconscious for as long as we've had one.
01:08:43.000From the end date of the Mayan calendar, to the Epic of Gilgamesh, from the Genesis Flood to the Book of Revelations, humans have been haunted by the idea of the end of everything for a very, very long time.
01:08:53.000Lately, it's been our default popular entertainment.
01:08:56.000Raised with the threat of global warming, in the teeth of a financial crisis, we sat stunned and exhausted watching our civilization die on screen again.
01:09:18.000Somewhere between wish fulfillment and trauma rehearsal, getting us used to the idea that the future was cancelled, that someday, soon, everything would collapse, and there would be nothing left, and nothing we could do about it.
01:09:30.000You know, I love, I love this, I love this.
01:09:32.000Everybody who is, you know, watching these films, and pretending like it would be fun.
01:09:40.000And the sad reality was, For now, we're not roaming the streets, fighting over food, questioning the person in the gas station, asking them whose side they're on, or anything like that.
01:11:30.000There's going to be... Man, dude, New York is going to be literal hell.
01:11:35.000Like, people with guns, looking for food, and you have a building in New York with, you know, 10 or 12 floors, and, like, several apartments on each floor, and they're going to be going methodically through each one.
01:12:08.000Yeah, that's a good point, because there's so much, like, the spectrum of, like, humanity-ending stuff could be anything, from, I don't know, a huge, crazy solar flare that completely, you know, wrecks us, a massive asteroid, super volcano, I don't know, I'm just rapping off the top of my head.
01:13:50.000So I know, yeah, people will like, I know some people, they have like, you know, a little nook in their basement, they'll put a microwave in it, they'll put like, put stuff around it.
01:13:56.000And I'm like, that might not be enough.
01:14:14.000I actually have a little backpack unfolding from Goal Zero, just like a, you know, you throw it out in the sun, you plug in, I have a little battery pack, you plug it in, I can charge my laptop, my phone.
01:14:36.000Somebody donated farmland and this is like hearsay, so I know there's probably some Occupy people are going to be like, that's not true or whatever, but okay, whatever.
01:15:57.000I find it so remarkable that it's mostly people who live in big cities who benefit the most from Fossil fuels and machinery and technology who are the ones complaining about it.
01:16:58.000They thought living on a farm was going to be like sitting in a lounge chair, like, you know, chewing on a piece of straw, reading a book and getting away from all the noise and life would be so much easier.
01:18:16.000One was a Dilbert comic, Scott Adams, and Dilbert was like, I think he was asking about how the woman is preparing, and she goes, I'm not, I'm just gonna go, you know, I'm preparing, like, what are you doing?
01:18:27.000And then she basically said, oh, can you pick up Hot Pockets so that when this all breaks down I can get them?
01:18:32.000Like, the joke is, someone posted this in the Super Chat before, they were like, gun owners want to thank all the people who don't own guns for stocking up supplies for us when the apocalypse happens.
01:19:24.000Here's a little thought experiment I tell people.
01:19:26.000It's weird to me that there's like, A lot of urban young people don't understand how real life works, and I think it's because they've been insulated.
01:19:34.000Here's the question I say to people, and I'll ask you guys right now.
01:19:38.000You're in the middle of the woods, hundreds of miles from civilization.
01:19:51.000All of a sudden, off in the distance, at the exact same time, you notice another person, and they notice you.
01:19:56.000They have the exact same things that you have.
01:19:59.000You don't know where your next meal's gonna be, you don't know where you're going, you don't know where civilization is, and you see this person, what do you do?
01:20:46.000I don't think you communicate very well.
01:20:48.000How do you know they would speak English?
01:20:50.000Well, I would probably have a smile on my face, and I would wave then, you know, and probably, because we have like a hundred yards away, it's pretty far.
01:20:59.000You know, so it's like, you know, I would probably lift my gun up, you know, in like a non-threatening manner, like holding my hands up with the gun visible, but not aimed at them.
01:21:08.000As soon as you raise your arm with the gun, they lift their gun up to you, shaking.
01:21:28.000And everyone, you know what, like, this is really funny, because one thing I often hear from conservatives is, like, they would have their hand properly on their weapon, they'd hold up their hand, and they would move really slowly, and they would back away and leave.
01:21:42.000I hear from moderate people more stuff like what you were saying, like I would try to make contact.
01:21:45.000You know what I hear from people on the left?
01:22:30.000So the challenge is, if you see this person, you don't know if they're starving, if they're angry, if they're scared, you have no idea what they're feeling.
01:22:39.000They might see you and see what you're carrying and be like, if I take his stuff I'll live.
01:22:44.000Why should I bother with this person who might hurt me?
01:22:48.000And so I try to explain to people that A lot of people with these utopianist views think this is how the world could work, everyone holding hands and singing and it's like a rainbow.
01:22:58.000And it's like, no, the reality is, you take that scenario I gave you and you scale it up to nation states.
01:23:03.000We don't know what the other is doing, we don't want to give up our secrets, we don't know what they're planning, we don't know if they're going to attack us, and everyone needs resources.
01:23:09.000And so when you look at a lot of how these countries are responding to the crisis right now, We don't know what China's internals are.
01:23:18.000They might, you know, for all we know there's like some government official who's like, his buttons are all undone, his tie is, he's drunk and he's just like, this is the end.
01:23:26.000We're out of resources, our money is going up, the food supplies have stopped, but don't tell anybody.
01:23:31.000And so then you have these people saying things like, we need to be cooperating with China.
01:23:35.000They're a global leader supplying us and they're ready to press the button.
01:23:39.000That's the problem, that's where you go with conflict and war and stuff.
01:23:43.000But also for that scenario too, it's like, man, I think it's a guarantee that if the apocalypse happened, like liberals, liberal-minded people would, and I say this because liberals tend to be very passive, like the actual liberals.
01:24:22.000Because of like with Antifa, there have been a lot of, you know, far left people who are like, no, we demand our rights to own weapons.
01:24:28.000And you see, and there are, you know, groups that are considered to be that or aligned, like, you know, Black Panthers, for instance, that showed up in Virginia.
01:24:35.000And all of the liberty-minded people agree, like, we should have a right to bear, you know, bear arms and stuff.
01:24:40.000But the far leftists, I think, will survive.
01:24:43.000The communists, the authoritarians, because they'll take what they want.
01:24:47.000Conservatives, who are prepared and calm and, like, methodical, who are, like, not all of them, but enough of them, will be prepared and ready.
01:24:55.000And then liberals, like your average liberal in this country, are going to be sitting on their hands, confused about what's happening around them.
01:25:03.000Not believing it until someone comes and takes their stuff.
01:25:06.000Or no, no, I'll tell you what, like it's gonna be in Manhattan and there's gonna be like, picture this, a dude with like a beard and like wavy brown hair and thick black frame glasses with a blue button-up shirt tucked into his khaki leather belt, sitting in his Manhattan apartment, watching the TV as they say like the government has collapsed, we don't know what this means.
01:25:24.000Then this door gets kicked in and a bunch of dudes come in and they have their guns out and they're like, where's the food, where's the food?
01:25:47.000But, you know, I'll go back to that last point and we can jump to the Super Chats, but like, I think we all, you know, we look at movies to see how people would react.
01:25:54.000But when you look at movies like The Hunger Games or like, you know, I don't know, Dawn of the Dead or something, We don't take into consideration the political alignment or the predictable behaviors of certain areas.
01:26:09.000Areas of Utah, for instance, like more Mormon areas, will react very, very differently to New York.
01:26:26.000Whereas people of all different random backgrounds and ideologies will be unified by what?
01:26:32.000You're in a city and everyone's running around and you're gonna be like, I gotta get out of here.
01:26:34.000But if you're in an area with like, you know, a very religious community, you're gonna be like, let's go see what everyone's doing because you know everybody you could... This is one of the things that's interesting about religion that we've lost as the US has become more secular, is that people used to meet each other at the church and talk about stuff.
01:26:51.000Because I did this, you know, when I was growing up.
01:26:53.000How many people in New York get together with their local community and talk to each other, meet each other, They don't do it at all.
01:27:02.000Luke, the We Are Change dude, has this video from a long time ago where he went on the train and he was like, all of these people, millions of people every day on the train never talk to each other at all.
01:27:13.000These are everyone's on their phone listening to music.
01:27:15.000So look, I'm not saying like, I'm, I'm personally not, not religious.
01:27:20.000I'm not, you know, I don't read the Bible or anything like that, but I think fact-based you have, you have people in New York who have no ties to any community.
01:27:35.000Almost all of my apartments, I didn't know anybody.
01:27:39.000And the problem there is people aren't in places long term either.
01:27:44.000They're there for a year, maybe two, but then they find a different apartment with a different friend, or they broke up with their significant other, and they have to find new places, and they're constantly moving, and that's every apartment.
01:28:24.000So, you know, I was thinking about it and I was reading something a while ago that actually was not, it wasn't making this point, but I realized it.
01:28:32.000They were talking about the water cooler, the town hall, churches, and it was talking about social media censorship and the threat we face because of it.
01:28:40.000And one of them was that because people used to meet for church and it was like a very, very prominent thing in this country, you know, decades and decades ago.
01:28:47.000That conversations about politics were being had as people were gathering and then leaving.
01:28:52.000They would also do events, like when I was growing up, the church we had on, I think it was on Sundays, I don't know how often they would do this, but I think Sunday Mass was followed by like a potluck?
01:29:03.000What is it called when everyone brings something?
01:29:06.000And so me and my friends wouldn't, you know, we were just little kids, so we'd be like, dude, it's so awesome, you go there and you just like stand there for an hour and then it's all the free food!
01:29:13.000We didn't know anything about the religious stuff.
01:29:15.000But people would be hanging out, and then people would talk, and they loved that there were kids there, like, eating, and like, of our own volition.
01:31:40.000The reason I would say if you're in a self-defense situation, there are certain circumstances where our society finds lethal force justified.
01:31:50.000If somebody is shown intent to continue no matter what happens, you gotta stop them.
01:31:54.000For not just you, but for other people.
01:34:51.000Shadow Master says, right, it's always the anticipation that's the hardest part or the quote, it's not the fall that kills you but the impact.
01:34:58.000Lance says, the TV show Revolution is a much watch about the end of the world.
01:35:04.000Muscle says, Tim, when someone intends to do you harm, it's foolish to not end the threat.
01:35:08.000Attempting to disarm a monster only puts yourself and anyone you want to protect in undue danger.
01:36:00.000I don't follow him and all that, but he went to D.C.
01:36:02.000I don't remember what happened with this, but he brought a gun to D.C., hit a shotgun, and he did a video, and he like... And you're not allowed to do that.
01:36:08.000But, like, he was trying to do this gun march in defense of 2A, where, like, they all crossed the bridge from, like, Virginia into D.C.
01:38:35.000It's really interesting about... I don't remember who the two main characters, but I think it's like an adult and a kid traveling down the road.
01:39:09.000He meets a random guy, and he's offering a ton of money.
01:39:11.000And then the guy's like, we go in this abandoned building, and then he just goes, Look, if you just want to rob me or do some weird stuff, can I just give you the money?
01:39:19.000Because I really don't want to deal with the other stuff.
01:41:01.000They were trying it because the rates were way too high, but I don't know.
01:41:05.000Paxton Fairbank says, the future is Mormon.
01:41:07.000If the government collapses, Utah and Idaho will be a powerhouse because of shared Mormonism, as well as Idaho farming and Utah mining and production.
01:42:00.000QuietGuitaristFan says, as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon, living in Utah, I can tell you we'd be unified and ready.
01:42:08.000We've been told for a century to have a year's supply of food, also geographically secure in Salt Lake City.
01:44:15.000One thing about the Mormons and the Amish, I feel like the Mormons would be better set up because they're more technological and can probably defend themselves against roving bands of crazies, where the Amish are I don't know if they even, do they use guns?
01:44:38.000I thought it was their way to like keep true to the old ways, you know, like, you know, no electric anything, but I don't know if they use guns or not.
01:44:48.000It's not necessarily true that they don't use technology.
01:44:51.000I don't know what the rules are, but I do know that like in Chicago farmers markets, they were Amish farmers.
01:44:56.000That would come in to sell stuff, and they were like normal people with trucks.
01:44:59.000I don't know what the rules are, but someone there was explaining it to me.
01:45:03.000But I did go somewhere in Maryland that had an Amish market.
01:45:07.000And it's like, there was a lot of regular technology there, but a lot of people dressed in very Amish clothes.
01:45:12.000We're not very far from Amish country.
01:45:15.000Apparently they do own them for like pest control.
01:45:17.000They do not want to use them against other people.
01:45:21.000I'm gonna speed up Super Chats because we gotta get this Atlanta segment, but Buck says, if you're interested about the effects of urban life on group behavioral psychology, Tim, do a little research into John B. Calhoun's Rat City and Mouse Utopia experiments from the 50s and 60s.
01:45:36.000education is the study of the Soviet Union and Russian history.
01:45:40.000Wouldn't have so many crazed lefties have a soft spot for the Soviet culture because my fam's from there, but Americans misunderstand.
01:45:48.000Wolfsbane says, you should watch Jeremiah Johnson for a legit movie on survival.
01:45:53.000Viper says, you're told to use the back of your hand when testing for the heat on door handles because your hand clenches up in reaction to heat.
01:46:00.000Also from yesterday's stream, Thames is pronounced, oh there it is, Thames is pronounced Thames.
01:47:56.000So what the argument is, is that it, like, the water level used to be higher, and that this circular structure where you can see water pouring in describes basically what Atlantis is.
01:48:06.000I wonder if there's an image of Atlantis here.
01:48:13.000I don't know. But it's a lost civilization of Atlantis. It was described by, you know,
01:48:17.000a bunch of different people, I guess. And it's really interesting to see, you know,
01:48:21.000the Raishat structure is what they what they consider. Let me pull up Atlantis right here,
01:48:25.000because the location hypotheses, we'll start with this. And then we'll talk about why they think
01:48:29.000they didn't find it. So they say since Donnelly's day, there have been dozens of locations proposed
01:48:34.000for Atlantis, to the point where the name has become a generic concept, divorced from the
01:48:38.000specifics of Plato's account. I was Plato. Yeah.
01:48:41.000This is reflected in the fact that many proposed sites are not within the Atlantic at all.
01:48:46.000Few today are scholarly or archaeological hypotheses.
01:48:49.000While others have been made by psychic, Edgar Cayce, or other pseudoscientific means, the Atlantis researchers Jacques Collina-Girard and Georgios Diaz-Montexano, for instance, each claim the other's hypothesis is pseudoscience, Many of the proposed sites share some of the characteristics of the Atlantis story.
01:49:07.000Water, catastrophic end, relevant time period, but none has been demonstrated to be a true historical Atlantis.
01:49:13.000So I'm sorry I'm raining on your parade before we even get started, but the general idea is there was once a great civilization.
01:51:43.000So basically, I gave you the gist of it.
01:51:45.000This is the interesting claim, but I'm immediately going into the debunk, which I kind of feel bad about, and I think we should have pulled up something better.
01:51:52.000But here's what they basically say about what Atlantis may have been.
01:51:58.000The primary piece of evidence for this viral video is that the Raishat structure is a series of concentric rings that precisely matches Plato's description of Atlantis.
01:52:06.000The only real match, however, is the simple fact that both are concentric rings, which is not unlikely at all.
01:52:13.000This is a great example of interpreting a general similarity following basic geometry as if it were a specific match.
01:52:19.000Concentric rings are not uncommon in nature.
01:52:21.000He further has to use some creative imagination to argue that the Raishet structure, if it were fed by rivers and therefore filled with water, would have two rings of land and three of water.
01:52:32.000The rings are not discrete, not complete in places, and it's unclear how water would fill the structure.
01:52:37.000You could count four rings of water if you looked at the whole structure.
01:52:41.000This is also an example of ignoring details that don't fit.
01:52:43.000Plato also described a canal that ran through all the walls to the outer structure.
01:52:47.000Connecting the rings, no such canal is evident.
01:52:50.000So that's basically a general debunk of the right-hit structure.
01:52:54.000I don't know if we actually have... You know, I kind of feel bad.
01:52:57.000I don't think we have enough to actually get into... We probably should have pulled up... I had a better article, and I felt bad pulling up something that was just too extraordinary.
01:53:52.000If there was so much ice on the planet, like the ice is all melting so the waters are rising, but if there was so much ice 10,000 years ago, wouldn't all the water be frozen so that the water would be lower?
01:54:05.000And then lower altitudes would be hotter in some places so that they would be able to grow?
01:54:10.000It depends on if the ice is on a landmass or not.
01:55:16.000Or it could, you know, what's interesting to me is how we have all this fictional lore of goblins and, you know, witches, and it's like, all that stuff really just comes from back when humans didn't have mass communication and rapid communication.
01:57:04.000The next time the painting was recommissioned, the person showed a few of the Minutemen fighting back.
01:57:09.000They were like, well, some of them were fighting back.
01:57:11.000The next painting showed very few people running away.
01:57:15.000The next commission, you know, of the battle, showed a standoff between, you know, minutemen and regulars firing equally.
01:57:22.000And then eventually, after recommissioning of the battle, it was the redcoats fleeing and it was the minutemen standing their ground.
01:57:31.000History is left to the rich people to, or not necessarily the rich people, but the people who are dictating what is taught.
01:57:38.000And there are people in culture right now who want to alter history, who want to change history by claiming, you know, it's like Christopher Columbus.
01:57:52.000I do think it's funny too, like, what I will give in terms of credit to the social justice activists is that we have a very Eurocentric view of the world, like the discovery of America.
01:58:32.000Yeah, but we do, and I think it's fair to point out that, you know, history is very culture-specific.
01:58:37.000It was interesting to me, too, when I was listening, I think I mentioned this before, listening to the radio, and they talked about the beer law of, like, the German beer, the Belgian beer law of, like, 1260 or something.
01:58:48.000No, no, it's just these laws that have persisted for a millennia or whatever.
01:58:53.000So here's what ended up happening, so I'll eat this one.
01:58:56.000I had an article about Atlantis and explaining this, and I was concerned that it was conflating too much and trying to make it sound like it was real when it wasn't, and I forgot to pull it.
01:59:05.000I was going to pull it both, and I only have the one, and I'm like, oh, this is missing too much information, so yeah.
02:01:05.000Ampcoat says, it is known that after the Cataclysm, the Atlanteans fled to the Thurian continent, settled in the Grimlands of Cimmeria, and from there Number was born Conan.
02:02:09.000But, you know, I will add this too for all of you that saw it or missed it.
02:02:12.000The one last thing I'll say before we sign off is that when it comes to politics right now, it's not even about policy.
02:02:19.000You know, like, conservatives aren't arguing about, like, the left and right arguments are typically about, like, which person do you like?
02:02:27.000Is the president a good president or a bad president?
02:02:29.000It's like, if you say, I don't know, then you must be a conservative.
02:02:32.000If you say, I hate him, then you must be a liberal.