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00:00:00.000 Yeah, there's actually a conversation happening about swapping out Kamala Harris with Hillary 0.90

00:00:24.000 Clinton and people are posting this photo of Hillary Clinton where she looks like she

00:00:27.000 lost weight and they're like, she's running." 0.79

00:00:29.000 Because she lost weight. 0.84

00:00:30.000 But everyone's actually calling it the Ozempic Diet, so I don't know, whatever.

00:00:34.000 But the Washington Post ran this column, which is probably nothing, it's probably noise, but there is a lot of concern about what's going to happen to Joe Biden in this first debate, because many people believe That this first debate is going to be their test of whether or not Joe Biden can run, and it will give many Democrats an excuse to find a way to replace him despite the fact it's already way too late.

00:00:55.000 I'm kind of leaning towards, you know, for a while I thought they got to get rid of Joe Biden.

00:00:58.000 They have no choice.

00:00:59.000 Now I don't know that they can.

00:01:02.000 Short of something bad happening to Joe Biden.

00:01:04.000 I have no idea what happened.

00:01:04.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:05.000 We got some big news today, despite the fact that it's a holiday.

00:01:08.000 It was a pretty slow news day.

00:01:09.000 Russia signing a deal with North Korea.

00:01:12.000 We got U.S.

00:01:12.000 troops being deployed to Jordan.

00:01:14.000 That's not fun.

00:01:15.000 And then of course, ladies and gentlemen, another cheap fake has emerged.

00:01:18.000 That's right.

00:01:19.000 Joe Biden, once again, struggling to speak on camera.

00:01:23.000 And this time we have the whole unedited video where we can show you the point at which Biden goes, That's what he said.

00:01:31.000 That's it, okay.

00:01:32.000 So we'll talk about that.

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00:02:38.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Dave Smith!

00:02:41.000 What's up, guys?

00:02:42.000 How is everyone?

00:02:44.000 Oh, sorry, my headphones were a little weird.

00:02:46.000 Do I sound good?

00:02:47.000 Yeah, you sound great.

00:02:47.000 Okay.

00:02:48.000 Well, good to be here.

00:02:49.000 Thanks for having me back, Tim.

00:02:50.000 Who are you?

00:02:51.000 I'm Dave, Libertarian Tupac, destroyer of Cuomos, and all-around fan of TimCast.

00:02:59.000 All right.

00:03:00.000 Angela McArdle is hanging out.

00:03:02.000 Thanks for having me back on.

00:03:03.000 Angela McArdle, chair of the Libertarian National Committee.

00:03:07.000 We just love platforming the Libertarians here at TimCast.

00:03:09.000 I know you do.

00:03:10.000 We appreciate you so much.

00:03:11.000 You do a lot of it.

00:03:12.000 We like libertarians.

00:03:13.000 We do.

00:03:14.000 I think there's a strong overlap with the cultural values, especially the Mises caucus.

00:03:17.000 It's unfortunate what happened at your convention with your nominating process.

00:03:20.000 I don't know.

00:03:21.000 It was partially unfortunate.

00:03:22.000 It was partially fortunate.

00:03:23.000 Angela got reelected.

00:03:26.000 Oh, that was great.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:03:27.000 It remains to be seen how unfortunate the whole situation really is.

00:03:30.000 Yeah, you have some interesting points to make on this one.

00:03:32.000 The Trump speech was actually funny.

00:03:34.000 I wish he didn't use a prompter, but we'll probably get into a little bit of that.

00:03:36.000 Hannah-Claire's hanging out.

00:03:37.000 Yeah, I'm actually really glad to have both of you on tonight.

00:03:39.000 I feel like it's a libertarian super hour.

00:03:42.000 I'm Hannah-Claire Bremmel.

00:03:43.000 I'm a writer for SCNR.com.

00:03:44.000 Follow them at Tim Kess News on the social medias.

00:03:47.000 Hi, Serge!

00:03:48.000 Yo, let's get started.

00:03:49.000 So, my friends, the truth is, it's a holiday today.

00:03:53.000 It is.

00:03:54.000 And I did not realize how seriously people will take any holiday, no matter what it is.

00:04:00.000 And I mean this with no disrespect to Juneteenth.

00:04:02.000 I like the idea that, you know, for those that aren't familiar with it, some union reconstructionists

00:04:07.000 went down to Texas and said, hey, you guys, slavery has been abolished.

00:04:11.000 You can't have slaves anymore.

00:04:12.000 And one of the slaves said, you're free.

00:04:13.000 I like the idea that we would celebrate the end of slavery.

00:04:15.000 It's a bad thing.

00:04:16.000 But I did not think it would catch on, except for the fact that banks are closed.

00:04:21.000 A lot of businesses shut down for the day because a holiday is a holiday.

00:04:24.000 And they're actually, it's relatively slow news.

00:04:27.000 But we do have some political conjecture we can talk about.

00:04:30.000 This is an article from the New York Post.

00:04:32.000 Biden should replace Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton, Washington Post columnist suggests. 1.00

00:04:38.000 Kathleen Parker, the Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist who weighs in on politics and culture for the Washington Post, said that the 76-year-old former Secretary of State who lost in 2016 would extricate the U.S. 0.95

00:04:48.000 from old white men dilemma.

00:04:51.000 I want to remind her that Kamala Harris is a younger black woman. 1.00

00:04:54.000 Well, what she's saying we really need is an older white lady. 1.00

00:04:59.000 An older white liberal lady. 1.00

00:05:01.000 She will fix everything. 1.00

00:05:02.000 We're going to replace young black woman with old white demon. 1.00

00:05:05.000 I think it's a brilliant strategy. 1.00

00:05:10.000 If Joe Biden just wanted to attempt suicide, there's no better way to do that than to put Hillary as your VP. 0.95

00:05:17.000 You want to be one murder away from Hillary Clinton being the president and you're the murderer? 0.98

00:05:22.000 I don't think so.

00:05:23.000 She will unalive him.

00:05:24.000 Well, that's actually what a lot of people believe about the Clintons.

00:05:27.000 But here's the funny part.

00:05:28.000 Parker cited the 81-year-old Biden's steady decline the past few years—steady, it's been exponential recently—which have been made more apparent through his stumbles, his search for words, his occasional blank stare, all of which are now impossible to ignore.

00:05:41.000 I thought those were cheap fakes.

00:05:43.000 Anyway, I'm curious.

00:05:46.000 If your concern is that Joe Biden is incapable, why would you replace Kamala?

00:05:53.000 Well because look I mean this is the whole game here right and this is obviously like what this woman I mean I don't know this this might be on like some subconscious level or something like that but they all know they'd like to get Biden out but the big obstacle to that is Kamala Harris which in some move whoever thought of it I'm sure it wasn't Joe Biden but whoever thought of it she was kind of a genius pick in that sense because she kind of insulates him from this like oh we want this guy out because he's clearly in severe cognitive decline but What's waiting in the wings is worse than him.

00:06:24.000 So they're even thinking in their head, well, if we could get her out of the way and put Hillary there, obviously at the end of her thought year is Hillary is going to be the nominee, not Joe Biden.

00:06:34.000 But so that's the real dilemma that the Democrats have, and they've had it for a while.

00:06:38.000 This hits the nail on the head with a hammer.

00:06:40.000 So to wrap this all up with a nice little bow, we've talked about how they need to replace Joe Biden.

00:06:46.000 And what does everyone say?

00:06:48.000 You can't.

00:06:49.000 Kamala Harris is next in line.

00:06:51.000 If they can swap Kamala right now with some, it's, well, you know, Hillary steps in and Kamala is retiring because something happens, resigning, who knows? 0.98

00:07:00.000 She doesn't want to be the nominee.

00:07:03.000 I don't know how they do it, but it's easier right now to swap Kamala with Hillary. 1.00

00:07:08.000 Then when Joe Biden falls up the stairs again and incapacitates himself, Hillary becomes the nominee.

00:07:14.000 It's fascinating that Hillary will do anything to become president. 1.00

00:07:19.000 She's not giving up on this dream.

00:07:20.000 She's willing to demote the first black vice president. 1.00

00:07:24.000 I mean, it's very crazy to me.

00:07:27.000 I think it is funny that this also says that Democrats do not believe that their younger future options are usable, right?

00:07:36.000 Even further back down the bench and grab Hillary Clinton to roll into this. 1.00

00:07:40.000 It's a boomer strategy.

00:07:42.000 It's just absolute refusal to pass the torch.

00:07:46.000 It's fascinating.

00:07:48.000 This is going to flip how Republicans react.

00:07:52.000 Now it's going to be protect Joe Biden at all costs so that we don't get Hillary Clinton.

00:07:55.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:07:58.000 If they can swap Kamala with Hillary, it's the soft play, the first step. 0.72

00:08:03.000 They can't remove Joe Biden for Hillary, for Newsom, or for anybody.

00:08:07.000 Because Kamala is young and capable of running and she's vice president. 1.00

00:08:12.000 But if for some reason, and it's still going to be difficult to get rid of Kamala Harris, for sure, but if Kamala says, For some reason, a family issue has come up, which has strained my capabilities.

00:08:24.000 You know, Hillary Clinton is asked—I have asked Hillary if she would become—like, then, when Biden goes, It's easy.

00:08:34.000 I don't know that this is a boomer strategy, and I don't know that this is the Democratic Party or a refusal to pass down the torch.

00:08:39.000 I think it's more Hillary Clinton is banging and screaming on tables being like, it's my turn! 1.00

00:08:44.000 He stole it from me!

00:08:46.000 But aren't those kind of the same thing in a way?

00:08:48.000 Like, I think the point Angela's kind of getting at, which is really, it's kind of remarkable that this particular generation of powerful people, you know, like when I was a kid, I'm a 41-year-old dad, and when I was a kid in the Senate,

00:09:04.000 we had guys like Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden in the House.

00:09:09.000 You had Nancy Pelosi in the Senate.

00:09:11.000 You had Mitch McConnell.

00:09:12.000 Like, all these guys were there when I was a young kid, maybe 20 at oldest for, like,

00:09:16.000 McConnell and some of these other.

00:09:18.000 And so and some of those guys like Chuck Schumer were there before I was 20.

00:09:22.000 And so there is something about that generation who, let's be real, none of them were ever very impressive.

00:09:28.000 They kind of inherited the United States of America at its peak of power and wealth.

00:09:34.000 And they just like simply will not pass the torch.

00:09:37.000 So it's not as if Hillary Clinton or the equivalent of Hillary Clinton in a previous generation, it would have been like, well, I had my shot.

00:09:45.000 In 2008, I got another shot at it in 2016, obviously didn't work out.

00:09:50.000 I'm going to move on to something else.

00:09:52.000 Whereas, you know, deep down, she would like that if she had a chance to get it again would jump on it.

00:09:57.000 And that is very peculiar.

00:09:59.000 She's not going to give up on her dream.

00:10:00.000 Like I said, it's alive and well.

00:10:02.000 I mean, I think if the Biden organization really wanted to keep their figurehead in power, they would have to pick a VP that countered his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue because

00:10:14.000 he's getting no confidence votes basically from a lot of young voters, from older

00:10:18.000 progressive Democrats as well, and Hillary Clinton has been, you know, protested out of

00:10:23.000 the classroom at Columbia by the same people. I think that would be the only benefit to taking

00:10:28.000 out Kamala Harris is if you were to rotate someone in that could potentially appeal to voters

00:10:31.000 that are trying to abandon you.

00:10:33.000 Yeah, but you're thinking like we live in a democracy, which we don't.

00:10:36.000 Well, I think it's strategic and I think it's a free-for-all approach.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, but listen, I mean, you're right.

00:10:40.000 Look, I mean, according to most of the polls I've seen, it's somewhere around 70% of Democratic voters want to cease fire.

00:10:46.000 About 50% of them consider what Israel is doing a genocide.

00:10:50.000 So that's a pretty stark, like, political dynamic that you're In 50% of your voters' minds, funding a genocide.

00:10:59.000 That's an issue.

00:11:00.000 Are you saying all voters across the board?

00:11:03.000 No, these are Democratic voters.

00:11:05.000 So I'm just saying, for the Democratic nominee, that's a bit of a political situation.

00:11:10.000 But if you're talking about do you side with the people or with the war machine?

00:11:16.000 Well, in U.S.

00:11:17.000 politics, that doesn't mean, oh, well, you get one of the people in there that's for the people and one who's for the war machine.

00:11:23.000 The Democratic presidential and vice presidential candidates will both support funding this war, no matter what they say.

00:11:29.000 I just want to ruin people's day by showing this picture real quick.

00:11:31.000 Yes.

00:11:32.000 I just want to ruin people's day.

00:11:34.000 This is the picture from the Washington Post talking about bringing in Hillary Clinton.

00:11:38.000 And I don't know what it is that these affluent white female liberals who work in media don't understand about. 1.00

00:11:44.000 It's one of the most off-putting things about Hillary Clinton is that she would cackle at the most inappropriate times, not too dissimilar to Kamala Harris, who emulates that behavior. 1.00

00:11:54.000 But you can look at this picture and Joe Biden is smirking a little bit, relatively neutral kind of face, and she's cackling.

00:12:01.000 And, you know, I look at this and I'm wondering, like, What was said that she's busting out laughing like she's heard a Dave Smith comedy routine, but Joe Biden doesn't flinch.

00:12:10.000 And so what they do is someone in the Democratic Party told Hillary Clinton and told Kamala Harris, laugh and smile more.

00:12:17.000 Yes.

00:12:17.000 And they were like, you got it.

00:12:19.000 Because you know Hillary Clinton doesn't laugh when she's in private. 1.00

00:12:21.000 She's a she's a she's a nasty, evil person. 1.00

00:12:25.000 She's probably just like frumpy the whole time angry. 1.00

00:12:27.000 And then as soon as she steps out in public, Her and Kamala have this thing where a reporter will be like, Secretary Clinton, can you comment on the loss of 12 lives in the latest fires that were taking place in Afghanistan?

00:12:42.000 And she goes, Why are you laughing?

00:12:46.000 And Kamala does the exact same thing. 0.99

00:12:49.000 Look, both of those people, Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton, if you know a bit about their track record and their past, these are truly vicious people. 1.00

00:13:00.000 Listen, just a couple examples of this real quick. 0.98

00:13:02.000 Have you ever heard the tape of Hillary Clinton where she's laughing about getting that child rapist? 0.97

00:13:09.000 Oh yeah, when she was younger. 0.98

00:13:10.000 And I mean, she's laughing about it.

00:13:12.000 Like, I'm not saying, by the way, I believe in defense attorneys, and I'm not saying like

00:13:16.000 there's anything wrong with like defending even a really bad guy, but if you defended

00:13:21.000 somebody who, you know, raped a 12-year-old brutally, okay? 0.52

00:13:27.000 And you got that person off. 0.66

00:13:29.000 To be, years later, laughing about how you duped the judge and the jury, and how comical you find this whole thing? 0.74

00:13:35.000 There's a sociopath who does that.

00:13:38.000 And Kamala Harris, you know, she was like known for, as Tulsi, in that famous moment where Tulsi called her out, she had innocent people on death row, and wouldn't release the evidence, was forced to. 0.99

00:13:47.000 So, I'm just saying, there is something- She also enslaved people. 0.61

00:13:50.000 Well, yeah, that's, I mean, what are you talking about, just locking people up for When she kept people in jail beyond their sentences to use them as slave labor to fight fires. 1.00

00:14:00.000 Well, look, I mean, I would argue that the whole thing is enslaving people and, you know, locking people up for a time and all this stuff.

00:14:07.000 But so you're talking about like truly vicious sociopathic women who do have this tendency to like 1.00

00:14:13.000 whenever they're in front of the camera just be cackling laughing and I think

00:14:17.000 there's I'm sure you're right that people told them that but I also think

00:14:20.000 there's something of like covering up for that or overcompensating with this

00:14:24.000 like bubbly personality. It's like how people laugh when they're eating

00:14:29.000 salad in salad commercials.

00:14:32.000 This weird, uncomfortable, fake laugh.

00:14:35.000 Salad!

00:14:35.000 It's like that, except it's like, oh, murder!

00:14:38.000 I do want to give a shout out to one of the greatest...

00:14:42.000 I don't know if it's a real quote or not, but she was quoted as saying about Julian Assange, can't we just drone this guy?

00:14:49.000 And I love it because he was in the Ecuadorian embassy and they had to tell her, Secretary Clinton, he's in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

00:14:57.000 You can't just do that. 0.90

00:14:59.000 But her go-to is like, why not kill him? 0.99

00:15:02.000 Oh yeah, of course. 0.97

00:15:03.000 How many times did she say that about other people?

00:15:06.000 And they went, yes we can.

00:15:10.000 She was like, great, it worked last time, so let's get this guy. 0.72

00:15:13.000 I have to say, this picture makes me think the photo editor for the Washington Post does

00:15:18.000 not like Hillary Clinton. 0.85

00:15:19.000 And I sort of love that slight tilting of it.

00:15:23.000 They do this for everybody, they pick a photo which frames their face a certain way, or

00:15:26.000 you know, C9 did it with Joe Rogan where they altered the image.

00:15:29.000 But this one makes whoever picked it, to me, they think this woman is evil and they want 1.00

00:15:35.000 to show how maniacal she is. 1.00

00:15:36.000 Dude, she's like a caricature of a witch. 1.00

00:15:38.000 It's like Skeksis at the end of The Dark Crystal.

00:15:42.000 The thousand-year-old millennial reign of cartoon evil.

00:15:47.000 I mean, well, look, they don't have a deep bench.

00:15:50.000 And I think one of the issues here—and look, I tweeted this earlier today where I said I'm back to the point where, like, gun to my head, I had to bet I'm betting Biden's not the nominee.

00:16:00.000 Now, I'm saying if I had to bet.

00:16:02.000 I'm not, like, confident enough in that that, like, I'd put ten grand on it.

00:16:06.000 You don't want that to be your official position in history.

00:16:08.000 Well, I'm just saying, it's close.

00:16:10.000 But I think one of the things that people are overlooking is that this isn't entirely a question of, do they want to pull Joe Biden and put someone else in there?

00:16:21.000 That's part of it.

00:16:22.000 But the other question is, is it possible that Joe Biden gives them no choice?

00:16:27.000 And that's, I mean, I think fairly likely.

00:16:29.000 I think we've almost been, because they've kind of gotten down to a science over the last few years, what cocktail of stuff to give Joe Biden to get him through a speech, to the point where he could go do a State of the Union, and we're all kind of waiting to see, is he going to implode?

00:16:45.000 Like, is he going to?

00:16:46.000 And he pulls it off.

00:16:47.000 Now, it's not good.

00:16:48.000 He kind of, the first half, he's way too up.

00:16:51.000 So he's kind of yelling, you know what I mean?

00:16:53.000 And then by the second half, he starts to slow down and have more of the fumbles.

00:16:56.000 But look, this is four years after the last time he got through a debate with Donald Trump.

00:17:00.000 And it's no guarantee that Joe Biden won't fail so bad that there will just be no other choice than someone else has to run.

00:17:07.000 Let's pull this up.

00:17:08.000 We have this from predictit.org.

00:17:11.000 This is, of course, for those who don't know, it's a betting market where what we have here on the screen is who will win the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination.

00:17:20.000 Joe Biden is sitting at 79 cents.

00:17:22.000 OK, that's out of a dollar.

00:17:23.000 Gavin Newsom is at 12.

00:17:25.000 Now, certainly people are generally believing that Biden will be the nominee.

00:17:31.000 The way this works is the more you buy shares in this person, The higher the price goes.

00:17:39.000 If you bought one share of Joe Biden at $0.79, if he ends up the nominee, you get $1.

00:17:45.000 If you buy one share of Gavin Newsom for $0.12, and he ends up being the nominee, you get $1.

00:17:50.000 So basically you're getting a near, you're getting like an 8x return on your investment if you vote for Gavin Newsom.

00:17:56.000 I think what we're seeing here, and how this basically works, Hillary Clinton has moved up $0.02 to 6%.

00:17:59.000 JB Pritzker is on there.

00:18:04.000 Regular people have decided to start buying Gavin Newsom bets because they... I don't even know if they genuinely believe.

00:18:14.000 I think the numbers reflect perfectly.

00:18:15.000 I think a lot of people are like, well, I don't know if it's going to be Newsom, but I'll put some money down.

00:18:20.000 It's a value bet, right?

00:18:22.000 The general idea is there is, in the back of people's minds, a decent probabilities chance that Joe Biden will not be the nominee and Gavin Newsom will be.

00:18:30.000 So you were mentioning just a moment ago about the cocktail of drugs they have to give Joe Biden to make sure he functions right.

00:18:36.000 And I want to shout out one of the best jokes I've heard in a long time.

00:18:38.000 I don't know who to credit for it, but they said, CNN announced the debate between Trump and Biden, and the response was, we were about to see the Manhattan Project of psychoactive stimulants.

00:18:51.000 Absolutely.

00:18:52.000 Yeah, he's going to be on modafinil, Adderall.

00:18:55.000 They're going to cook something up.

00:18:56.000 He's going to have like 12 cups of coffee.

00:18:58.000 He's going to have like Red Bull gold serum just wired into his veins.

00:19:03.000 I bet it's something really proprietary and really interesting.

00:19:08.000 What if he just comes out and he's like a million bucks?

00:19:11.000 He's just like, his teeth are staying in.

00:19:14.000 Stem cell therapy.

00:19:17.000 Probably something else.

00:19:18.000 You know, I wouldn't be surprised if, and I mean this, this is serious, I'm not joking anymore, he's gonna be asleep early, and for most of the day, and then about one hour before the debate, they will hook him up to an IV, which will have probably painkillers of some sort, caffeine, probably, I would not be surprised if it was modafinil and Adderall, and a vitamin drip, just a cocktail, like you're saying.

00:19:47.000 IV drip cocktail right before the debate.

00:19:49.000 By the time he's getting out of the car and walking in, he feels like he's 68 again.

00:19:54.000 I did the vitamin thing before the national convention.

00:19:58.000 Yeah, that's good stuff.

00:19:59.000 He's hugely humble.

00:20:00.000 And we've seen pictures of Joe Biden.

00:20:02.000 They've had pictures of him in the press where you can see a mark on his hand that looks like an IV mark.

00:20:06.000 Yeah.

00:20:06.000 It's not surprising.

00:20:07.000 I mean, people get IVs all the time.

00:20:08.000 NAD+, that's a good one. 0.96

00:20:10.000 Oh, dude.

00:20:12.000 They gotta be giving him stem cells.

00:20:14.000 I think so.

00:20:14.000 I've had stem cell therapy and it makes you like mildly euphoric and you feel amazing for the first week after.

00:20:20.000 So that's just the pleb version that I get. 0.99

00:20:23.000 Who knows what he's getting.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 Well, I mean, look, it is, if you just go back, if you look at, as I'm sure lots of us have, but if you look at like video of Joe Biden talking in say 2012 and his vice president verse Like, uh, 2020, I mean, it's like a very start, like the fall off is very real.

00:20:43.000 And this was one of the major things when he started running for president.

00:20:47.000 Um, because you know, he had been out for four years and he hadn't been like super involved in the political scene.

00:20:52.000 And when he kind of came out, like he's running again, this like right before COVID in 2019, people were like, Whoa, this guy has really lost a step since then.

00:21:01.000 Now add to that.

00:21:02.000 that he's been president for four years, he's had a much more stressful, you know, like, kind of

00:21:07.000 vigorous schedule, and we've also watched a serious decline since then. He's not as sharp as he was

00:21:13.000 in 2020. And look, just being able to walk up on stage and yell out the words that are on a

00:21:20.000 teleprompter is a much different skill than dealing with Donald Trump.

00:21:26.000 And look, to his credit, I guess, he did all right against Donald Trump in the debates in 2020.

00:21:34.000 But can he pull that off again?

00:21:35.000 I think it's a big question mark that, like, there's at least a reasonable chance that he does so poorly that the Democrats have no other option than to pull him out and put someone else in.

00:21:47.000 The pit trap they're setting for Trump is that Biden is probably going to hammer criminal and civil cases, and Trump will take the bait and be like, It's about me and what you're doing to me and me me up.

00:21:59.000 What Trump needs to do is just say, oh, that's that's great, Joe.

00:22:03.000 Talk about something Americans don't care about.

00:22:05.000 Let's talk about gas prices.

00:22:06.000 Let's talk about the cost of bread, milk and eggs.

00:22:08.000 Joe, can you talk to me about what's the price of gas right now?

00:22:11.000 If Trump said, OK, Joe, I get it.

00:22:13.000 You want to you want to call me a convicted felon for all that?

00:22:16.000 How much is a carton of eggs cost?

00:22:18.000 I'll wait.

00:22:19.000 That's that's that's a good strategy.

00:22:21.000 I'm not sure.

00:22:23.000 I don't know how coachable Donald Trump is.

00:22:27.000 You guys both know him better than me.

00:22:30.000 I'm just saying, he's the type of guy that, for better or worse, and there's positives and negatives to it, but I do think Donald Trump, he's largely animated by his sense of self.

00:22:46.000 That is a big deal to Donald Trump, and I don't know that he has the ability to, like, Police what he says and what he doesn't say.

00:22:55.000 It's part of his charm.

00:22:56.000 It's part of the thing that people love about Donald Trump.

00:22:58.000 He's not, you know, a lot of people in the corporate media, they give Donald Trump, you know, a hard time because they're like, he lies, you know, he's and will count all of his lies, but his lies are always something like.

00:23:08.000 You know, I had the biggest crowd.

00:23:10.000 Right.

00:23:10.000 And they'll be like, well, Obama's crowd was bigger, and he's like, I had the biggest.

00:23:13.000 You know, you kind of get what he's doing.

00:23:15.000 But in a different way, Donald Trump is profoundly honest.

00:23:20.000 Oh, I love it.

00:23:20.000 In a way that other politicians aren't, because he can't hold anything back.

00:23:24.000 He always says what he's thinking.

00:23:26.000 So you always know what he's thinking.

00:23:28.000 When, I will always cite this, and I want everyone to hear it, because not everybody hears it every time, when he was president, and he's walking, he's at the White House lawn or whatever, the helicopter's going.

00:23:37.000 And he's like, it's really great, we're selling all these weapons to Saudi Arabia, it's great for the economy, we're gonna give them more weapons. 0.80

00:23:42.000 And then all the anti-war left, their jaws at the floor, and they're like, he just admitted it.

00:23:48.000 He just came right out and said, this is what we do.

00:23:52.000 Remember that time that journalist was like, he tweeted, he's like, I've been working on this story for two years.

00:23:57.000 And Trump just says it.

00:23:59.000 He just comes out and says it.

00:24:00.000 Like there was some story about something Trump was working on.

00:24:02.000 And this guy was like, Oh, I got a big scoop here.

00:24:04.000 And he's intervening source.

00:24:05.000 And then Trump comes out and he goes, Oh, yeah, we're doing this thing, by the way.

00:24:08.000 And they're like, Wow.

00:24:10.000 The Intercept called him the most dishonest and the most honest president we've ever had.

00:24:13.000 That's a good way to put it. 1.00

00:24:15.000 Because he lies about the stupidest things. 0.99

00:24:18.000 Like you mentioned, my crowd was so big, it was the biggest, everyone agrees, and they're like, no they don't. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Well, everybody, that's what I was told.

00:24:24.000 And then he comes out and says, oh, by the way, we got troops in Syria, they're guarding the oil.

00:24:28.000 And you're like...

00:24:29.000 We do?

00:24:30.000 When did that happen?

00:24:32.000 Well, here we are now.

00:24:33.000 I love it.

00:24:36.000 I've said this before, I'd take a Vivek Ramaswamy or a Dave Smith presidency if it was a viable option.

00:24:43.000 You know, but like, it's not, and so— That's not what I delivered to you.

00:24:48.000 Come on, Angela, get it together.

00:24:50.000 That's not in my plan.

00:24:52.000 No, no, like, Dave, even if you ended up as the nominee of the Libertarian Party, like, no disrespect, you're not winning.

00:24:56.000 Trump actually has done net positive things, as far as I'm concerned, with what a president does, and I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I voted for him in 2020 because I was shocked to find he's the first president to actually start reversing the policies of this militaristic hegemonic expansionism.

00:25:14.000 And the North Korea thing was huge to me.

00:25:17.000 Like, when I saw Trump do that, I nearly cried.

00:25:19.000 I was like...

00:25:20.000 Well, look, I mean, the issue is, and I get what you're saying, the issue with Trump is that if the goal here is to drain the swamp, look, to your point, right, about, like, yeah, there's lots of great people, it's just me or Vivek as an example, but like, there's better people than me for sure, but they don't have a viable path to winning.

00:25:42.000 And the reason why Donald Trump actually had a viable path to essentially Be a third party candidate who won within one of the major two parties, which he really was.

00:25:51.000 He ran as a repudiation of the Bushes as much as the Clintons and the Obamas.

00:25:57.000 Part of that was because he was the most famous person.

00:25:59.000 He was the richest.

00:26:00.000 He was the brashest.

00:26:02.000 He had the biggest crowds.

00:26:03.000 But I mean, there really was, it was this incredible mixture of things that if you didn't have all of that, you wouldn't have been able to win.

00:26:10.000 But the problem is that in order to Actually drain the swamp, or actually like save this crumbling empire that we're living in.

00:26:19.000 You also have to go in with a team of people.

00:26:22.000 You have to have the correct appointments at every single important position.

00:26:26.000 And it's still an uphill battle.

00:26:28.000 I mean, that's not like a guarantee that you'll drain the swamp.

00:26:31.000 And so the problem with Donald Trump is like, look, yeah, he had the correct instinct.

00:26:35.000 Go meet with Kim Jong Un.

00:26:37.000 Go sit down with him.

00:26:38.000 Let's make deals.

00:26:39.000 But who did he put at the table with him?

00:26:41.000 John Bolton.

00:26:42.000 He said, I'm going to ask for Bolton's advice.

00:26:44.000 He totally tanked the whole thing.

00:26:45.000 And of course he was going to.

00:26:47.000 That's what he was there to do.

00:26:48.000 Like John Bolton's there to make war, not peace, you know?

00:26:51.000 And so what I would like to see, I love that Donald Trump said he's going to put a libertarian in his cabinet.

00:26:57.000 What I'd like to see is more indications that he gets who the right people are and who they aren't.

00:27:04.000 To that end, what Libertarian do you want to see in the Cabinet?

00:27:07.000 I mean, I've got a list, you know.

00:27:09.000 I'm kind of holding it close to my chest right now.

00:27:11.000 Reveal it to us all here on air!

00:27:12.000 Yeah, so that it doesn't get all messed up.

00:27:14.000 But the offer does seem quite sincere.

00:27:17.000 What position in the Cabinet would you like to see a Libertarian in?

00:27:20.000 Well, the softball position is Department of Education.

00:27:24.000 I mean, that's one that we've discussed.

00:27:26.000 It's one he said that he'd abolish.

00:27:28.000 And that language has been consistent now for like six or seven months.

00:27:32.000 They seem dead serious on it.

00:27:33.000 And while it's not Secretary of State, and that seems like it's promised maybe to someone else already.

00:27:40.000 I think still Pompeo, right?

00:27:42.000 No.

00:27:44.000 No.

00:27:44.000 Well, I hope that no is right.

00:27:46.000 Geez.

00:27:47.000 No.

00:27:48.000 That's a no, dog.

00:27:50.000 But Department of Education is really critical.

00:27:54.000 Because we may not see it immediately, but 18 to 25 years, they're going to turn off all the little NPC switches and we'll have better people.

00:28:04.000 And I think that makes a lot of sense because the Republican administration, the conservative base, completely overlap with the libertarian view of the Department of Education.

00:28:13.000 Dismantle it.

00:28:14.000 Yes.

00:28:15.000 For different reasons.

00:28:16.000 Some some reasons overlap for sure.

00:28:18.000 The libertarians are like, if you gave us the keys, we dismantle all of it.

00:28:22.000 But if you give us the keys, this one will dismantle it.

00:28:24.000 And the conservative base, the Republicans are like, this is become destructive to its ends and should be destroyed and shut down.

00:28:30.000 So that's a that's a really good partnership for us.

00:28:33.000 And, you know, fingers crossed that it that it works out and that they say, all right, well, let's do this.

00:28:38.000 Dave, I have a question for you.

00:28:40.000 Are you voting for Donald Trump or Chase Oliver for president?

00:28:47.000 I cannot see myself voting for either of those people.

00:28:51.000 I'm a Biden guy and I just think he's got what it takes.

00:28:56.000 I can make the argument for Biden.

00:28:59.000 He's a disaster who makes the establishment, the Uniparty, look horrible. 0.97

00:29:03.000 Horrible. 0.51

00:29:04.000 Not a terrible argument.

00:29:06.000 I think Michael Maus's argument is, let them keep exposing themselves.

00:29:11.000 I'm sure I'm sure Maus would be happy if there was a good candidate who actually did the right thing.

00:29:16.000 But don't count out, don't ignore the positives of the failures of Biden. 1.00

00:29:21.000 It's a thing that a lot of people have trouble wrapping their head around because it does not... You know, all of us are human beings, and we're all stupid and lazy, and we want to be stupid and lazy. 0.99

00:29:34.000 Like, that's what we all want, and you have to fight against that. 0.99

00:29:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:37.000 Like, if you're going to work on something, you have to make yourself get off the couch.

00:29:41.000 You're like, the couch feels better than getting up and working on something.

00:29:44.000 And you want information that confirms your already held views, and things that are more complex are upsetting.

00:29:50.000 But the truth is that sometimes, not always, but sometimes it's in a right-winger's best interest for a Democrat to win.

00:29:58.000 And sometimes it's in a left-winger's best interest for a Republican to win.

00:30:02.000 For example, if you were, let's say, the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2016, Hillary Clinton winning is not the best thing for you.

00:30:10.000 Donald Trump winning was way better for you.

00:30:12.000 If you're CNN, Donald Trump winning was way better for you.

00:30:14.000 If you're Planned Parenthood.

00:30:15.000 Yes, so there are at least, I'm saying it's not always clear, and there at least are some advantages to having Joe Biden and compared to Donald Trump.

00:30:26.000 One of those is that Donald Trump energizes your enemies in a way that nobody else does.

00:30:33.000 And that's something that I do think should at least be considered into the equation.

00:30:36.000 But I gotta say.

00:30:38.000 I think the honest and logical response, and from you too Angela, even though I know you can't, is to vote for Donald Trump.

00:30:44.000 And for two big reasons.

00:30:47.000 Getting a libertarian in a cabinet position dramatically empowers the Libertarian Party.

00:30:52.000 This will effectively put the big L Libertarian Party in the press almost every single day on a major issue.

00:31:00.000 And the other is, An opportunity and hope that we're going to get less, we're going to get our troops out.

00:31:07.000 We're going to get a little bit more of that in the right direction, despite the bad.

00:31:09.000 Because I will respect 100%.

00:31:11.000 Every time I have this conversation about foreign policy, they'll say the drone strikes, the commando raids.

00:31:15.000 I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

00:31:17.000 He did still try to do things we've not seen before.

00:31:20.000 I'll take that.

00:31:21.000 But I do think that the opportunity for a cabinet position of the Libertarian Party legitimizes the LP in a massive way.

00:31:26.000 I mean, there's a lot more than that, right?

00:31:28.000 Like, he got up on stage and said that he would free Russell Brick.

00:31:34.000 No Assange.

00:31:36.000 We're getting close.

00:31:37.000 I'm still working on it.

00:31:38.000 The fact that I can say and be dead serious that I'm still working on it is a huge, huge thing.

00:31:43.000 Freeing Ross Ulbrich – so Ross Ulbrich is the Libertarian Party.

00:31:47.000 He's our sweetheart.

00:31:50.000 He's a political prisoner.

00:31:52.000 He's in prison for creating Silk Road.

00:31:54.000 He's been mislabeled a drug dealer.

00:31:56.000 But did he really create it?

00:32:00.000 He's the Dread Pirate Roberts.

00:32:01.000 Sure.

00:32:02.000 Oh, yes, he is the Dread Pirate.

00:32:04.000 The theory, or one of the working theories, is that the reason the creator of the Silk Road used the moniker Dead Pirate Roberts was the implication that the person who made it would pass it off to someone.

00:32:12.000 Right.

00:32:13.000 And the person who was running it was not always the same person.

00:32:15.000 Well, and I don't know that it's like Gossip Girl.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, I don't know if we ever got to the point where it could be passed off.

00:32:22.000 But it's not just about Ross.

00:32:24.000 It's about Bitcoin, cryptocurrency freedom, and it's a sharp rebuke of the deep state.

00:32:29.000 And that's why it's really critical.

00:32:33.000 Yeah, look, I mean, I don't.

00:32:35.000 I'll just say it like this is my attitude toward it.

00:32:38.000 If Donald Trump keeps all of those promises, if he's in, that would be great.

00:32:43.000 And that would be better than what we'll get under Joe Biden on those issues for sure.

00:32:48.000 I do think that as far as like you asking me who I'm going to vote for, I have never been and still am not a huge believer in this kind of the

00:32:59.000 theater of voting for president.

00:33:02.000 And I think it's kind of weird. Like we all there's a there's a quasi religious aspect to it

00:33:08.000 where if there was anything else that you were like, Hey, Dave, are you going to do this thing?

00:33:12.000 Where you have a one in 160 millionth of, uh, uh, you know, an effect on.

00:33:19.000 And I would be like, no, I'm not.

00:33:21.000 I'm not spending two hours to do that.

00:33:22.000 You'd be like, yeah, it's a total waste of time.

00:33:24.000 I mean, literally call your mom, high five a homeless guy.

00:33:27.000 You'll have more of an impact on the world than voting for president, especially if you live in like a deep red or a deep blue state, as I do, and where you already know the outcome of this.

00:33:36.000 Your vote essentially is a protest vote anyway at that point.

00:33:40.000 To me, what I always see more is like, like my role in all of this is that I just try to tell the truth.

00:33:48.000 Like that's what I, I think there are, there's, there's the game of like political calculations and then there's the game of just telling the truth.

00:33:57.000 And the more you get into the game of political calculations, the less you have the freedom to just tell the truth about anything you want to.

00:34:03.000 So that's what I focus on.

00:34:04.000 That being said, if Trump gets in and does all the great stuff you've gotten them to promise to do.

00:34:08.000 I will certainly be pleased with that and give you the credit.

00:34:12.000 So there's a simple component.

00:34:13.000 With me taking a little bit of credit for leading the Mises caucus takeover.

00:34:16.000 A little bit for pumping up the numbers.

00:34:19.000 And there is the simple version of, if I go vote, what does it matter?

00:34:23.000 But the real point of the question is, to the hundreds of thousands or more of people who are looking for confident leadership.

00:34:31.000 And they don't know if they can trust Trump.

00:34:32.000 So they ask, Dave, I know you've been right about all of these things.

00:34:35.000 I'm curious how you feel about this.

00:34:37.000 Again, you're giving my honest honest answer is that also that I don't look.

00:34:43.000 Donald Trump was you can point to the five areas where he was very solid.

00:34:48.000 And there were like a few things that he did very, very well.

00:34:51.000 And like even within the realm of foreign policy, I mean, there were a few specific

00:34:55.000 detailed things.

00:34:56.000 But immediately in 2017, he ended the CIA program of backing the anti Assad rebels in

00:35:02.000 Syria.

00:35:03.000 And magically, magically ISIS was, you know, and then he always brags about how we killed 0.58

00:35:09.000 ISIS, but really, he turned it off.

00:35:11.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:35:12.000 And Vladimir Putin had something to do with killing ISIS too, regardless of that.

00:35:16.000 But that was a great move.

00:35:17.000 He did negotiate the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

00:35:21.000 After surging...

00:35:22.000 in Afghanistan, which a war that he knew was unwinnable, that he ran on ending, so

00:35:26.000 a little bit of a mixed bag, but he ultimately did it. But the real issue is that there are – the

00:35:32.000 United States of America is like a patient bleeding out with 12 bullet wounds. And to say,

00:35:39.000 hey, I put my finger on this one while I actually shot the patient again two more times in these

00:35:46.000 other areas is not quite good enough for me. And between – look, the real thing that nobody wants

00:35:51.000 to talk about this because it's just not that sexy of an issue and if it wasn't for libertarians,

00:35:55.000 it would probably never come up anymore. But government spending is such an important issue

00:36:00.000 that we're – we are – Not only are we destroying this country under a mountain of debt that we're passing off to the next generation, but look, this is the corruption.

00:36:10.000 This is the swamp.

00:36:11.000 The reason why we live in such a corrupt system is because government spending has gone up so much.

00:36:16.000 This is the money being extracted from the American people, given to the politically connected.

00:36:20.000 He increased that every single year, and his final year was 2020.

00:36:25.000 Where he was just like a disaster through the whole year.

00:36:28.000 Yes, but Dave, you're wrong on one thing.

00:36:31.000 What's that?

00:36:31.000 We are not passing off this debt to the next generation.

00:36:35.000 It will be default by the time it gets to the next generation.

00:36:37.000 That is true.

00:36:38.000 Social Security is expected to begin its collapse in 2033.

00:36:43.000 And by 2037, it's supposed to be completely insolvent.

00:36:46.000 We're the next generation.

00:36:46.000 All right, fine.

00:36:47.000 It got passed off to us.

00:36:48.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:36:49.000 We're us, mate.

00:36:50.000 You know, it's Gen Zs. 0.81

00:36:51.000 They're going to be in their 30s, and they're going to be like, well, that's it.

00:36:54.000 Systems are broke.

00:36:54.000 No money.

00:36:55.000 So I've pushed for a little involvement in Department of Treasury, too.

00:36:58.000 We'll see.

00:37:01.000 I would bet money that if Trump gets elected he will put a Libertarian in his cabinet because it is a zero-cost maneuver.

00:37:09.000 Correct.

00:37:10.000 It's easy for him.

00:37:11.000 And even if it's not even a great position, I really do think that when you have a Libertarian Party prominent personality speaking at a podium for the press corps or whatever, and saying, here's what our plan is, and their name appears on the screen with a big L next to it, that is a massive move in the right direction for this country.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, well, I completely agree with that.

00:37:33.000 Yeah, and I do agree with you on the bullet holes of the patient.

00:37:37.000 I don't know that they're actually I don't know that there's actually a way to save this dying patient.

00:37:44.000 We're not going to stop spending.

00:37:45.000 Here's what I think.

00:37:48.000 The uniparty establishment's worldview is we don't have to save the patient so long as we point guns at everyone else around the world and force them to treat our decaying corpse.

00:38:00.000 So we're basically strapped to this medical gurney.

00:38:05.000 Or Joe Biden.

00:38:07.000 Hooked up with wires.

00:38:07.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:38:09.000 And we're just grimacing in other countries like, you better give me the drugs I need to live.

00:38:12.000 And they're terrified.

00:38:15.000 I always think this way, because I really don't think Donald Trump's worldview is massively deep.

00:38:21.000 I think he's like, I like America.

00:38:22.000 I don't understand why they're doing these things.

00:38:23.000 These things are bad.

00:38:24.000 I look at it a bit more deeply as the results of what a Trump or Trumpian worldview policies result in.

00:38:31.000 When I see the Biden administration, Hillary Clinton, Obama, it is We don't produce a lot.

00:38:37.000 We're losing manufacturing to China and other countries.

00:38:39.000 It has improved a bit in the past couple of years, partly because of Trump.

00:38:42.000 Biden's also now stealing Trump policies.

00:38:44.000 But the idea was, so long as we maintain the petrodollar through hegemonic power and military bases around the world, we don't need to export anything because we control the printing of the petrodollar.

00:38:54.000 And if anyone wants oil, they got to come to us first.

00:38:56.000 So free economy for us.

00:38:58.000 Trump's worldview and his people are like, this system is on the verge of collapse.

00:39:02.000 In the past 15 years, we have seen massive dumping of U.S.

00:39:06.000 dollars by Russia and China.

00:39:07.000 They are saying no to the petrodollar.

00:39:09.000 And now, anyone could have predicted this, the petrodollar deal with Saudi Arabia expired and Saudi Arabia has not re-upped, meaning now they're going to start trading in yuan or rubles or something else.

00:39:20.000 So now the U.S.

00:39:21.000 is no longer guaranteed to get that free revenue in purchasing of petrodollar.

00:39:26.000 The Trump worldview says we better secure our borders, get rid of Trans-Pacific Partnership, bring factories back, start manufacturing chips here.

00:39:33.000 You can clearly see that we can't keep paying for NATO's defenses.

00:39:36.000 Their expansionism makes no sense.

00:39:38.000 If China takes Taiwan, we can't defend it, and then we lose access to chips.

00:39:41.000 They need to do it here.

00:39:42.000 Whether or not Trump's policies are actually built around that worldview, Trump himself, that's the direction it was going.

00:39:49.000 And I say, we better do that.

00:39:52.000 Because the ship is sinking.

00:39:54.000 You know, you mentioned before, like, trying to save the American empire.

00:39:57.000 I'm glad to see the empire.

00:39:58.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:39:59.000 I want to save the nation.

00:40:00.000 Exactly.

00:40:01.000 My point is we have to abandon the empire in order to save the nation.

00:40:05.000 Exactly.

00:40:05.000 I'm not saying you were saying you want to save the nation.

00:40:07.000 I'm saying that was what their goal was.

00:40:09.000 And I'm like, I say the empire sink.

00:40:12.000 And then the United States secure its borders, mind its own business, get sound currency, get jobs and manufacturing back.

00:40:17.000 And that direction, for better or for worse, is the Trump direction.

00:40:20.000 I have no guarantees that Trump actually makes that happen.

00:40:23.000 But that's the, you know, I'm looking at a fork in the road and I see that and I'm like, I'll go that way.

00:40:27.000 Yeah, no, listen, I certainly understand the argument.

00:40:30.000 I mean, there's a strong case to be made there.

00:40:32.000 Look, I guess the real issue is that I just wish that I saw Trump actually making that argument.

00:40:39.000 You know, look, Donald Trump, it just seems like, okay, so even earlier in the campaign, I remember It was one of the CNN town halls he did, where he had that very aggressive woman who was asking him questions, if you guys remember this, back from last year.

00:40:55.000 And his answer on Ukraine was, like, perfect.

00:40:58.000 And she tried to, like, pin him down on it.

00:41:00.000 That was the town hall they ended early, right?

00:41:02.000 Yes.

00:41:02.000 And he's just crushing.

00:41:03.000 And his answer was perfect.

00:41:04.000 She goes, so don't you want Ukraine to win?

00:41:07.000 And he goes, I want people to stop dying.

00:41:10.000 I want the war to be over.

00:41:11.000 Like, I just want to negotiate an end to this.

00:41:13.000 And she's like, so you don't care about Ukraine winning?

00:41:17.000 By the way, the people who care so much about Ukraine winning, look at where that's gotten us.

00:41:21.000 It's gotten us more of them dying, and they're still losing on top of that.

00:41:24.000 So I'm just saying his answer was perfect.

00:41:26.000 Then cut to this last spending bill that Mike Johnson all of a sudden flipped and got behind, and Trump's bragging about how it's a loan.

00:41:34.000 Not a gift.

00:41:35.000 Even though, by the way, it's a loan at 0% interest with no enforcement mechanism for them paying it back.

00:41:40.000 It was just more of a gift.

00:41:42.000 And then at the same time, his criticism of Biden over the war in Israel seems to be that he's like, he goes, in between giving Israel all those bombs, you sent some food to Gaza, you wimp.

00:41:53.000 You could be harder on them.

00:41:54.000 I'll be a better friend to Israel.

00:41:56.000 I mean, like, so he's actually kind of making the argument that we should be At least as involved in Ukraine and more involved in the war in Gaza, and that to me does not signal that this guy is actually leading us in a direction where we would be more America first.

00:42:12.000 But the crazy thing that's frustrating about it is that I think it would be enormously popular amongst his base, and particularly if you add in Donald Trump's sales ability.

00:42:20.000 Like, Donald Trump is the one guy who could convince the entire right half of America No, this is not what we believe in.

00:42:29.000 We don't believe in funding proxy wars of choice around the world on behalf of other nations that either have zero strategic vital interest for us or, in the case of Israel, are a clear cost To America.

00:42:44.000 That it is clearly against our vital strategic interests.

00:42:47.000 Like, why is it that we want to be going down the tubes with Israel's reputation?

00:42:52.000 Why?

00:42:53.000 Why do we want to be complicit in this horrific assault?

00:42:55.000 Like, call it a genocide or just call it a mass murder campaign.

00:42:58.000 Why on earth would we want to piss off not just the entire Muslim world, but now, like, the entire world is condemning what Israel's doing?

00:43:06.000 I agree with you on those points, but where I disagree is I don't know that those are immediately disqualifying based on the things he's already done, but they're valid points that should be addressed and brought up to him and anybody who is advocating for him.

00:43:19.000 Vivek, I know if you- Angela, text me Trump's number real quick.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, no.

00:43:23.000 I'm gonna get on the horn with him.

00:43:24.000 Vivek would give you a world-class answer.

00:43:26.000 Set up that meeting for us.

00:43:28.000 Vivek was a smart move by Trump and Vivek working with him because That's a smart guy.

00:43:34.000 And if you brought that up, he'd give you a world-class answer.

00:43:36.000 But I think it is a legitimate concern.

00:43:38.000 We've talked about this.

00:43:39.000 Mike Johnson is all on board with Ukraine funding, and Trump has bragged about working with him.

00:43:43.000 And this is, as you mentioned, that I want people to stop dying.

00:43:47.000 Our hope is, my hope, and people who have similar feelings to me, because I don't represent all Trump supporters, certainly, is that he's the guy who can simmer down World War III and stop it from happening.

00:43:58.000 But if we're getting more funding to Ukrainian troops and Israel, that's the wrong direction.

00:44:02.000 I do want to mention one thing.

00:44:03.000 Give a shout out to Aidan Mattis of Lore Lodge, because he was on the other day, and he made it a hilarious point.

00:44:09.000 He said that Gary Johnson's position on Aleppo was the correct one. 0.97

00:44:13.000 Yes.

00:44:13.000 What is it?

00:44:14.000 Yes.

00:44:14.000 And it's like, literally the president is a foreign policy guy who should know what's going on, but I love the response of, we shouldn't care.

00:44:22.000 We should be like, look, that's halfway around the world and the American people deserve our focus. 0.98

00:44:26.000 Well, so, OK, see, I half agree with you, but I'd say in a better world, That would be a totally appropriate answer.

00:44:35.000 The problem is when you're running for president in 2016 and for four years your government has been funding a civil war in Syria and you're really supposed to know what Aleppo is because now it actually does really matter to the job.

00:44:48.000 And the same thing is like like in my heart of hearts I kind of...

00:44:52.000 Maybe not like 100%, but I like 80% agree with you that it's like, I just don't care.

00:44:57.000 I don't care about the rest of the world.

00:44:58.000 I care about America.

00:44:59.000 Like I 80% agree with that.

00:45:01.000 There's 20% of me was like, I do kind of care about this conflict or whatever.

00:45:04.000 Not that we should be involved, but like that I'm interested in it or something.

00:45:08.000 But the thing is like, as an American, I don't think you can have that attitude in

00:45:11.000 Syria. I don't think you can have that attitude in Israel. Because the truth is that the

00:45:16.000 whole thing is an American operation.

00:45:18.000 And so at this point, it's like, no, it's not just, it's not enough to just say like, hey,

00:45:23.000 that's, that's like not our concern. It's like, actually, this is our concern, because we are

00:45:28.000 the ones causing this. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. But I got to, I got to

00:45:32.000 I agree with you on the 80-20 thing.

00:45:34.000 That's about where I am.

00:45:35.000 I'm not an isolationist.

00:45:37.000 I am concerned, and you should be.

00:45:39.000 If we're seeing war erupt in Syria, Turkey, Afghanistan, anywhere, we should know about it in case it can expand to any of our interests, which is at home.

00:45:47.000 But I don't necessarily agree with, we should care about what's going on now there because of what we did.

00:45:54.000 Ron Paul said something really fascinating like 17, 18 years ago, Afghanistan got the wrong prescription, and when you give the wrong prescription you cut it off, you don't keep them on it. 0.82

00:46:03.000 If a doctor gave, you know, so if the prescription was invasion, what they keep saying is, we can't just leave now, it'll cause too many problems.

00:46:12.000 Ron Palsperson was, nope, we leave, and that's it.

00:46:15.000 Oh, to be clear, I'm also advocating we leave.

00:46:18.000 I'm not saying we stay there.

00:46:19.000 I'm just saying that it's like, look, what's going on right now in Gaza is that a war is

00:46:25.000 – I don't even know if war is the right word.

00:46:27.000 I don't know if just bombing the crap out of a captive people is a war exactly, but

00:46:33.000 whatever you want to call it. 0.88

00:46:34.000 There's a mass slaughter campaign with U.S. 0.72

00:46:37.000 weapons being dropped while U.S.

00:46:40.000 drones fly over Gaza and give the Israeli government intelligence information about that.

00:46:45.000 So when that's happening now, this is Our country.

00:46:49.000 Look, this is a huge part of what motivated the hijackers on 9-11 was us backing up Israel. 0.78

00:46:55.000 I'm saying from that perspective, we should be interested to get disinterested in the situation.

00:47:01.000 We should have no part in this.

00:47:05.000 Is it worth it to try to curb the damage by like 10%?

00:47:09.000 Well, what do you mean?

00:47:11.000 If we, through our influence as libertarians, can scale it back just by 10%, is it worth it?

00:47:17.000 Oh yeah, absolutely!

00:47:19.000 So you're voting for Trump?

00:47:21.000 10%!

00:47:21.000 But 10% is a pipe dream, you know what I mean?

00:47:26.000 10%!

00:47:26.000 Joe Jorgensen got 1.2% in 2020.

00:47:28.000 Oh, I don't mean vote totals.

00:47:30.000 No, she's saying like of the evil stuff the government does.

00:47:33.000 I'm just pointing out that Joe Jorgensen got 1.2%.

00:47:35.000 I don't know how that translates, I'm just saying it was...

00:47:38.000 I know how it translates.

00:47:39.000 We are the most powerful voting bloc in the country right now, and we will decide the 2024 election results.

00:47:45.000 I believe that's true.

00:47:46.000 It will depend 100% on what we do.

00:47:49.000 Me, the state chairs for swing states, and a handful of other people.

00:47:54.000 We are the ones.

00:47:56.000 So what has Joe Biden offered you?

00:47:58.000 Well, received.

00:48:00.000 I believe those were the words that his team said.

00:48:02.000 Really?

00:48:03.000 Received.

00:48:04.000 So you did make demands?

00:48:06.000 I didn't make demands.

00:48:07.000 I issued an invitation.

00:48:08.000 We're just kidding.

00:48:10.000 I mean, I declare war on Joe Biden.

00:48:16.000 I endorse Chase Oliver as the best way to take votes from Joe Biden. 0.99

00:48:21.000 Get in, loser! 1.00

00:48:21.000 We're supporting Chase Oliver and we're stealing votes from Joe. 1.00

00:48:25.000 We'll start here.

00:48:26.000 This is the conspiracy theory that there was a backroom meeting where I'm imagining Dave Smith wearing a nice, finely tailored suit and tie, you wearing this very wonderful pantsuit, and Clint Russell as well, Michael Recktenwald, Termat, Chase Oliver, and you all sat down and said, If Dave Smith is the nominee, it will pull votes from Trump, and Biden will win, and the deep state will be able to secure entrenchment and push out any anti-establishment forces.

00:48:58.000 And so a secret plan was hatched where Dave would mysteriously bow out from the race, and the deeply unpopular Chase Oliver will become the nominee to siphon progressive votes from the Democrat, ensuring Trump's victory.

00:49:10.000 A beautiful plan.

00:49:12.000 Beautiful plan!

00:49:13.000 I mean, it's just like when you tell it like that, I am kind of like, let's go with that story.

00:49:18.000 None of it happened, but like, let's just go with that story.

00:49:22.000 There is a funny thing in the Libertarian Party, there's like this dynamic where you have kind of like the more culturally left-leaning Libertarians and the more culturally right-leaning Libertarians, broadly speaking, and there is a funny thing where It is very obviously in the interest.

00:49:41.000 Like Donald Trump couldn't have gotten a better nominee.

00:49:45.000 That's the perfect nominee for Donald Trump.

00:49:47.000 And it's the worst thing for like Joe Biden, for Chaser.

00:49:50.000 And a more right-leaning libertarian would kind of be the opposite.

00:49:54.000 And so there is just a weird irony in all of that.

00:49:57.000 Many of these guys accused us.

00:49:59.000 They said that was the goal.

00:50:01.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:50:01.000 There's like conspiracy theories that you literally had it.

00:50:05.000 I think that there's an irony that the person, the libertarians who hate Trump very much are supporting the person who will help him the most.

00:50:14.000 We are assisting him to win over this voting bloc, because I think your point is interesting, right?

00:50:18.000 Joe Biden is not going to the Green Party's situation and trying to win their voters because they're not as influential as libertarians are.

00:50:24.000 Well, we've had some, there's been some polling done.

00:50:27.000 And 67% of Chase Oliver's current supporters voted for Joe Biden in 2020, and another 11% voted for Howie Hawkins of the Green Party.

00:50:37.000 So 78% of Chase Oliver's supporters are... That's right.

00:50:43.000 That's right.

00:50:44.000 I'm going to invite Chase Oliver back onto the Culture War for a one-on-one debate where I will intentionally lose.

00:50:50.000 Oh, beautiful!

00:50:51.000 So I have been going and endorsing Chase Oliver on any and every progressive podcast I can get onto, making a very good, compelling argument for why he is the best candidate to end the war in Gaza, talking about how he understands the Federal Reserve and monetary policy better and how that's going to end the wars, and I've just been going very hard for progressives.

00:51:12.000 I don't disagree with that.

00:51:15.000 If I went to a progressive, I'd be like, I gotta be honest, I think Chase Oliver is your best choice.

00:51:20.000 I completely agree with you.

00:51:22.000 There's another kind of just interesting dynamic with some of the cultural stuff versus the more hardcore policy stuff, but the truth is that Chase is I don't know the guy very well.

00:51:37.000 I've only met him a couple times, but I would say probably great on war, on guns, on taxes, on money, on spending.

00:51:46.000 I mean, like, issues that I bet all of us would probably see very eye-to-eye on.

00:51:50.000 There is just this weird cultural component of things where, like, What's bizarre is even amongst anti-war leftists, there's anti-war leftists who I love.

00:52:02.000 I really get along great with.

00:52:04.000 I'm doing a Glenn Greenwald show in a couple days.

00:52:07.000 Love Glenn Greenwald.

00:52:09.000 Love Jimmy Dore.

00:52:11.000 I've read tons of Noam Chomsky books and stuff.

00:52:14.000 I like a lot of the anti-war leftists.

00:52:17.000 None of them are woke, though.

00:52:19.000 Correct.

00:52:19.000 None of them are for trans and the kids.

00:52:21.000 They all recognize, they're like, no, no, trans and the kids, that's like a CIA plot to divide us all against each other. 0.95

00:52:26.000 We don't believe in that.

00:52:28.000 But Chase kind of carries a lot of that cultural baggage.

00:52:30.000 And I do think for a lot of us, and this to me is kind of bigger than libertarianism, to be honest, is that it's just like, if you're okay with this, Like, if you're okay with child abuse, that's a deal-breaker for me.

00:52:43.000 I can't.

00:52:44.000 Here's my question for you, for both of you.

00:52:46.000 Do you believe private businesses should be allowed to mandate vaccines for all employees and customers?

00:52:55.000 Can we dig into this a little?

00:52:57.000 So I would say this, that I would I would say that the libertarian position kind of is that,

00:53:05.000 like, businesses can do what businesses want to do.

00:53:08.000 However, if you're talking about vaccine mandates, like private vaccine mandates in, say, 2021,

00:53:15.000 where there has been the biggest assault on liberty in American history on this wide of

00:53:22.000 a scale has just occurred by government fiat, then the government has come in and created

00:53:29.000 the, or let's say funded the creation of this experimental vaccine and shielded these big

00:53:36.000 pharmaceutical companies from any liability.

00:53:39.000 While they're not shielded from the profit, They get to rake in all the... No, but I'm just saying, and in this context, right, after all of the government propaganda outlets are lying through their teeth to push this vaccine on everybody, and then, in those circumstances, a business decides to mandate the vaccine to everybody, I don't think the libertarian comment on that situation should be, that's their right to do that.

00:54:02.000 The libertarian comment on that should be like, this is a giant statist operation that is totally antithetical to the free society that we want to live in.

00:54:11.000 And so when a libertarian just comes out, now in pure libertarian land, a private business should be able to do whatever they want with their private business.

00:54:19.000 But that's not what we're talking about.

00:54:20.000 It was a giant psy-op.

00:54:21.000 So I disagree in that.

00:54:25.000 It really comes down to Ron Paul and him saying about abortion, it should not be illegal, it should be unthinkable.

00:54:31.000 And so the answer is always cultural.

00:54:34.000 When culture shatters, and I think this is the big push of multiculturalism, because this is what this does, you then end up in a situation where You have basically large statist operations where everyone falls in line and marches in lockstep.

00:54:48.000 If you had a strong culture that had moral lines and lines in principle, and there's a difference, but if everybody agreed—Michael Maus had a great quote the other day.

00:54:58.000 I'm actually going to pull up his quote.

00:55:01.000 I think it should be culturally unacceptable.

00:55:04.000 And so that's something you can't just make happen, right?

00:55:06.000 I cannot.

00:55:08.000 So let me try and find this quote from Michael Malice.

00:55:11.000 I just want to let you guys know that Michael Malice is a genius.

00:55:13.000 He's a good friend of the show.

00:55:15.000 We love him dearly.

00:55:16.000 I don't care for the guy.

00:55:17.000 You don't care for him, huh?

00:55:18.000 Well, I'm scrolling down so I'm pattering a little bit as I find this excellent quote that really sums up a lot.

00:55:26.000 I normally like to cite... where is this?

00:55:30.000 I normally like to cite Seamus Coghlan for this.

00:55:33.000 Let me see if I can... Why is it not coming up?

00:55:36.000 Did it get deleted?

00:55:37.000 I think it got deleted.

00:55:39.000 No, no, no.

00:55:39.000 I like to cite Seamus Coghlan in that if everyone in the world had the same worldview as Seamus Coghlan, you would need no police, there would be no crime, there would be peace and harmony and no theft, and that's because his moral framework does not stand for those things.

00:55:58.000 The issue is that everyone has a different worldview, and then you'll just end up with people who are like, I don't know, you don't care about you, your views are bad to me and my views are bad to you.

00:56:10.000 And so that's ultimately where we're at right now as it pertains to... I lost my train of thought.

00:56:16.000 You're talking about the Ron Paul culture versus... Right, right, right.

00:56:19.000 The malice quote.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:21.000 I'm trying to find this quote because it was so good and it's not popping up.

00:56:23.000 I think you should just make it up.

00:56:24.000 I think you should just give a better quote.

00:56:26.000 I don't understand why it's not popping up.

00:56:28.000 Oh, it's right here.

00:56:30.000 If everyone thought like me, we wouldn't have any murders, we wouldn't have any child abuse, no robberies, no theft, and very few rapes.

00:56:37.000 Very few.

00:56:39.000 He's a funny guy.

00:56:41.000 Uh, but yeah, short of that, when it comes to, uh, my view is, in the long term, agreed.

00:56:47.000 The long term goal should be, you don't need to mandate businesses do anything, you don't need to put restrictions on them, you don't need civil rights law because businesses do the right thing.

00:56:55.000 Right now, they don't, and so my view is, During the... I don't remember when Chase Oliver tweeted this, but he said, I believe private businesses should do whatever they want, but government should not be allowed to.

00:57:07.000 I said, hey, that's a pro-vaccine mandate stance.

00:57:10.000 Because what people need to understand about the mandates for employees, for performers, it was all done privately.

00:57:17.000 Not literally all of it, but the bulk of it.

00:57:20.000 My friends, you're musicians.

00:57:21.000 They're like, this venue decided to do this.

00:57:23.000 The government did not make them do it. 0.87

00:57:25.000 It's gross.

00:57:25.000 They decided.

00:57:26.000 However, Joe Biden did try that.

00:57:28.000 He did.

00:57:28.000 If you have 100 employees or more.

00:57:30.000 Yeah, which ultimately failed.

00:57:32.000 And of course, there were during the reign of the vaccine passports, there was like in major cities across the country, it was actually the law of the land. 0.83

00:57:40.000 That if you were a building you had to, you know, be vaccinated in order to enter the building.

00:57:45.000 I think, look, one of the major reasons why I am a libertarian, this is one of the very major reasons why I'm a libertarian, as opposed to being some other flavor of kind of like right-wing dissident, is that I do think that libertarianism in general offers solutions that get to the core of the issue, whereas a lot of times just kind of reactionary right-wing policies are very surface level.

00:58:10.000 And so, listen, there is something very surface level where you have the government locks down the country, or the government declares a state of emergency, locks down the country, prints six trillion dollars in a year, destroys the value of the dollar, has all of these awful policies.

00:58:25.000 Then, by the way, the government stands down and allows rioters to riot through the summer.

00:58:30.000 Then the government funds developing this vaccine, then shields these companies from liability, gives them immunity, all of this, right?

00:58:39.000 And then there's like a private business who's mandating it.

00:58:44.000 And it's very tempting to come in and go, we just need a little bit more government power in order to say that business can't do that.

00:58:50.000 But I'm just saying, if you really want to get at the heart of this beast, it's to get rid of all this government involvement that created this whole mess.

00:58:57.000 That the issue then is it's always about culture because laws written down don't matter.

00:59:02.000 That's why me and you are talking in microphones instead of running for Congress.

00:59:02.000 I do want to say this, though.

00:59:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:07.000 Like that's why we're trying to change the culture.

00:59:09.000 You mentioned the reason why you're a libertarian is because you get to the root of a lot of this.

00:59:12.000 I completely agree.

00:59:13.000 And the issue I take with a lot of libertarians is that And I know it's going to be very offensive to a lot of libertarians, but they share an emotional trait with communists in the overly idealistic approach to how things get taken care of.

00:59:26.000 I agree.

00:59:26.000 So my view is... Well, in the sense that, like, there's...

00:59:32.000 Idealists amongst libertarians and communists, sure, but like there's a pretty big difference.

00:59:37.000 Some of us are willing to do the crappy work so that the rest of you can still be idealists and cling, you know, tightly to every single ideological position.

00:59:50.000 The libertarian party's position, I shouldn't say the whole party, but the members of the party who hold the open borders position, is a good example of the faction of people who are idealists and not realists.

00:59:59.000 So when I saw, you know, Chase Oliver win, despite all these positions, and the people who were cheering and booing, I gotta admit it, I loved, I forgot the guy's name, who said he was a doctor, and he had prescribed vaccines, and he got booed by everybody.

01:00:13.000 My response to that was like, I'm sitting in the back of the room as the debate's happening, and I was like, this guy's a libertarian.

01:00:20.000 Who believes there should be no mandate, who has first-hand experience, and he's telling you his experience, and you're booing him for it.

01:00:26.000 Why?

01:00:26.000 I don't know why you're booing his experience.

01:00:30.000 I don't understand it.

01:00:31.000 I'm like, you read something on the news in your circle that asserted something as fact, that you believe and trust.

01:00:37.000 Here's a guy who says the mandates are wrong, but here was my experience, so you boo.

01:00:43.000 The idealists in the Libertarian Party, an overly idealistic party.

01:00:46.000 What do the Democrats and the Republicans do?

01:00:48.000 The Democrats come out and they say, what does our base want?

01:00:53.000 And they go, these are the really popular positions right now.

01:00:56.000 And then Democrats and Republicans will release their party platform, trying to focus on the core issues that affect the nation, which is why they dominate.

01:01:03.000 The Libertarians say, we don't care about none of that.

01:01:06.000 We care about our ideals, which is fine.

01:01:08.000 But when you have immigration as the number two issue, according to Gallup, among voters, and a good portion of the Libertarian Party is like, open borders, Ellis Island model, and they nominate the guy who says, let him come in.

01:01:21.000 Well, I'll say to Chase's defense, he did say Ellis Island, at least not straight open borders.

01:01:26.000 But Ellis Island was open borders.

01:01:28.000 I mean I guess technically you had to like pass a screening or something like that but yes it's technically our borders are not all completely open they say yes we don't exactly have but he has a video was at the border saying they should be allowed to walk in and then come here and work and live that is open borders yeah okay sure I'm not gonna fight you on that let me just I think there's a couple things that need to almost be separated here right so the the idea of being idealistic I think is fine and I think is good and I actually think

01:01:59.000 more people should, we should demand more out of our system than we currently get. I think open

01:02:04.000 borders, and I've gotten in a lot of arguments with open borders libertarians, I think is wrong

01:02:12.000 in theory, not just a disaster that it would be in practice, but I think it's like it's a totally

01:02:18.000 wrong theory to deduce from libertarianism that there should be open borders.

01:02:23.000 Like it does not make sense.

01:02:24.000 There's been a lot of great libertarian thinkers who have written on this, but just in short, the idea of like Okay, libertarianism essentially is about property rights and the non-aggression principle, and self-ownership.

01:02:38.000 Now, if you believe in that, then essentially what libertarianism you could deduce from that would be that, Tim, you own this building.

01:02:46.000 Anyone who you invite to this building You have a right to come to this building.

01:02:51.000 So in a sense, you could say anyone who America invites into this country has a right to come.

01:02:56.000 But the idea that you can deduce from property rights that masses of uninvited people just have a right to come here, even if the domestic population does not want them to come, that is just bonkers.

01:03:09.000 That's antithetical to freedom.

01:03:11.000 I just want to shout out how on The Culture War last week I called Karen Ann a communist

01:03:16.000 and I said, you're all communists.

01:03:18.000 And I meant that as a joke.

01:03:19.000 But my point I was making is we were talking about how in Huntington, I think it's Huntington,

01:03:23.000 West Virginia, right?

01:03:24.000 They made a pride mural in the street.

01:03:27.000 And my attitude is people should not be destroying these things.

01:03:30.000 That's not how a society should function.

01:03:33.000 It's not the society we want to live in.

01:03:35.000 That's anti for society.

01:03:36.000 When you engage in those behaviors, the leftists are going, yes, more destruction of social norms.

01:03:43.000 We're supposed to be sitting down with each other and begrudgingly accepting compromise to live and be neighbors.

01:03:50.000 So, I'm bringing this up.

01:03:53.000 Karen Ann says, well, the people were coerced into paying for it, effectively.

01:03:56.000 I hate quoting people because I may misquote her, but I believe her position was, there are people who live there who did not want that painted.

01:04:04.000 My response is, if you do not vote, if you have a system in place where we all agree, okay, if you have a city council, we vote for city council.

01:04:12.000 If you do not go out and do your work to knock on doors to register voters and vote, and an opposing political faction gains control, And then, through the system you agreed upon, and you live here, decides to paint the street that is in accordance with your social agreements with your neighbors.

01:04:31.000 And I have no problem with this.

01:04:33.000 You don't have to live in Huntington, West Virginia, and pay them taxes.

01:04:35.000 You can move.

01:04:37.000 I'm not saying it's easy.

01:04:38.000 The argument being made by her and many libertarians is, the community, the jurisdiction can't force you to pay for something they want to do.

01:04:49.000 The reason why I call that communist is, Here's how I view it.

01:04:53.000 I own a house.

01:04:55.000 I've lived here for 20 years.

01:04:56.000 And every Friday night, we have pizza and wings.

01:04:59.000 Everybody pitches in.

01:05:01.000 Some people move out.

01:05:02.000 Some people move in.

01:05:03.000 But whenever someone's moving in, we say, hey, just so you know, every Friday night, everybody puts in 10 bucks because we have pizza and wings.

01:05:11.000 Well, one day there's a kid, it's been 20 years, he's 18, and he moves in and he goes, I don't think it's fair.

01:05:16.000 You know, look, I was born here.

01:05:18.000 It's not fair that I have to pay for pizza and wings.

01:05:20.000 And we go, OK, well, no one's keeping you here.

01:05:22.000 You don't have to live by our rules.

01:05:24.000 We love you and appreciate everything you've done.

01:05:26.000 And there's the door.

01:05:26.000 And they go, no.

01:05:28.000 I should get to live here without paying for it, even though it's your community and your rules and your standards.

01:05:32.000 I'm not going to raise money to vote.

01:05:34.000 I'm not going to convince anybody not to do it.

01:05:35.000 I'm just going to say outright, I shouldn't have to.

01:05:37.000 And I'm like, okay, now you're in my house telling me what I have to do outside of the norms of society.

01:05:44.000 There's this view among many libertarians, the open border libertarians, and this is sort of to your point, that our jurisdictions don't matter.

01:05:52.000 That community isn't allowed to make pacts with each other.

01:05:57.000 I don't care if it's a government or a private organization.

01:06:01.000 Organizations are organizations.

01:06:02.000 And if someone comes into my organization, whether it's, you know, me and my neighbors formed a neighborhood watch or a pact, and we all agree on these terms, Everyone agreed this is how we're going to vote, and then someone doesn't like it, and now all of a sudden they're saying they don't have to be involved in it, even though we agreed?

01:06:17.000 Like, that doesn't work.

01:06:18.000 And so, a communal jurisdiction, like a community like Huntington, West Virginia, yes, there's a lot of people there who were upset they lived there, and they didn't like that it happened.

01:06:27.000 I got bad news, right?

01:06:29.000 In Charlestown, West Virginia, they have a mostly liberal city council progressive, despite the fact that it is overwhelmingly Christian.

01:06:36.000 There's a Latin mass in Charlestown.

01:06:40.000 And I asked one of the council members who's conservative, why?

01:06:43.000 Why is it progressive city council?

01:06:44.000 And he goes, because conservatives don't vote.

01:06:48.000 Okay, like, so there's your problem.

01:06:49.000 The problem is not that you were coerced by your small community into paying taxes to fund a street painting, it's that nobody does the work and then complains that the people who did can control the coffers.

01:07:00.000 Well, I mean, look, I certainly think that...

01:07:03.000 This is one of the problems of government in general, is that it is an instrument of

01:07:12.000 force and there are winners and losers within that game.

01:07:15.000 But so I think the ultimate libertarian answer is you privatize this stuff and then it solves

01:07:19.000 a problem.

01:07:20.000 Like in your example, you can do that in your house and you can have these rules where if

01:07:23.000 you live here, you pitch in for, now it's done on a voluntary basis and it's your choice

01:07:28.000 to accept those or not accept those.

01:07:29.000 No question.

01:07:30.000 But let me just very quickly say, I think that what a lot of those open borders libertarians

01:07:36.000 type almost get wrong is that it's like, okay, you can be against the state forcing people,

01:07:42.000 but you're not supposed to be against the nation or against the community in general.

01:07:47.000 And something like open borders or the de facto open borders that we have today are like the most wildly unpopular thing.

01:07:54.000 It's not even like the majority of the country's against it, like over 90% of the country's against it.

01:07:59.000 I have a question.

01:07:59.000 What's the difference between A private house deciding we're going to have, we're going to spend money in a certain way and a community of a thousand people doing the same thing.

01:08:09.000 Well, well, look, okay, so the, the difference is between volunteer, uh, voluntary interaction or forced interaction.

01:08:16.000 It's what's the difference between making love or rape. 0.99

01:08:19.000 I mean, it could be the same action, but the difference is whether people consented or not.

01:08:23.000 And, and to that, like to your example, right?

01:08:26.000 Like of making rules in a house that is a voluntary, like, interaction. If I was but how is how is hunting some level

01:08:34.000 of not? Well, because look, because look, if there's people in in this community who don't wish

01:08:42.000 to fund the public roads, they don't have a choice. So they're forced to. That's true.

01:08:48.000 They can move out. They vote. No.

01:08:49.000 Okay. Yeah. But that's but that's different. I mean, like, if you're in my house,

01:08:53.000 and we all have an agreement, and I'm not an authoritarian who rules the house,

01:08:56.000 everyone gets a say, sure. And then seven out of 10 people say, spend the money on pizza. The three

01:09:02.000 people who don't like it can be like, Well, I don't want to give you money for this. And I say,

01:09:04.000 well, we all agreed you agree this how we handle things.

01:09:06.000 Okay, yeah, but then you should move.

01:09:07.000 But if you agreed, then you just answered the question how it's voluntary.

01:09:12.000 The question is, when I'm in my house, I'm not in your house, and I'm not in your house, and I'm in my house with my own rules, and now you're going to say, okay, we're taking a percentage of your income to fund something you don't want to fund.

01:09:24.000 I still disagree, because you are afforded many great benefits and privileges that you did not ask for, that you pay for, and I would assume that Uh, most people... Well, like, what do you mean?

01:09:36.000 Where do you draw the line on getting to say no?

01:09:39.000 The real challenge with what's going on... What did you mean by, like, benefits and privileges?

01:09:46.000 Rhodes, my Rhodes.

01:09:48.000 You have a fire department, you have police, whether you like the police or not.

01:09:52.000 So that's an interesting coin toss.

01:09:53.000 But fire department for sure.

01:09:54.000 EMT is the 911 service.

01:09:58.000 There is emergency cellular infrastructure that will work for any cell phone regardless of whether you pay for it.

01:10:02.000 Rhodes is an obvious one.

01:10:03.000 But I respect the idea of putting up tolls and things like this.

01:10:06.000 I just mean that we are in the safety bubble.

01:10:10.000 of the world.

01:10:11.000 Public utilities.

01:10:12.000 Okay, well, but I'll say this.

01:10:13.000 Water, plumbing.

01:10:14.000 I'll grant you all those things.

01:10:15.000 Let's even, for the sake of argument, just say cops are good, okay?

01:10:19.000 Like, just to move past that one.

01:10:22.000 First of all, it is the money that I'm forced to pay for those services is the biggest ripoff in human history.

01:10:32.000 literally I pay over half of my income in taxes for what should be a fraction of that

01:10:40.000 much for those services.

01:10:41.000 So it's not as if there's some gift to me, but look, somebody else, forget even government

01:10:46.000 related to that stuff.

01:10:47.000 We're all in a sense given all of these privileges by people who just invented things and came 1.00

01:10:53.000 up with new technologies and all of that.

01:10:55.000 That doesn't then mean that that person could come to me and say, your money or your life

01:11:01.000 Because I benefit from it.

01:11:02.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:11:03.000 Let's break this down.

01:11:04.000 The one thing I do want to add, without getting too personal, is there's a difference between paying taxes for things that are a rip-off and being a net taxpayer.

01:11:12.000 The overwhelming majority of Americans are not net taxpayers. 0.94

01:11:14.000 Yeah, screw them. 0.97

01:11:15.000 I'm talking about me. 1.00

01:11:17.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:11:18.000 Here's the challenge.

01:11:20.000 I certainly would prefer to live in a world where I have my home, I have my property, and any money they want to take from me, they've got to ask for first.

01:11:27.000 I do not consent to the bombing of children in these foreign countries.

01:11:30.000 I do not consent to the funding of Israel so they can be involved in their war with Gaza, regardless of your moral stance on it, or Ukraine.

01:11:37.000 That is all wrong, and so I will scream to the high heavens every night on the show, I will advocate as much as I can.

01:11:42.000 Foreign policy has always been the bigger issue for me, and that's why I think the president matters, because foreign policy is his domain.

01:11:48.000 Congress should be declaring wars, and the president should be allowed to get involved in wars, so I want a president who's going to do the inverse and stop these things.

01:11:55.000 My point is simply...

01:11:57.000 Here's the challenge.

01:11:59.000 We're all born in this country where we stand on the shoulders of giants.

01:12:03.000 The roads that have been paved, the mountains that have been bore through, the bridges that have been built that simply exist whether we pay anything or not.

01:12:11.000 You can be a destitute homeless man who has zero income and you can freely walk across large 200 million dollar bridges that connect places that you'd have never been able to get to before.

01:12:23.000 And you say, but I never asked for it.

01:12:24.000 And I'm like, and that's true.

01:12:26.000 So the challenge is not, it's a combination of things, I shouldn't say not, the expansion of human jurisdiction and the size of population makes it impossible for you to just decide to go live in the woods.

01:12:38.000 Yeah.

01:12:39.000 200 years ago, you'd say, I don't like any of you.

01:12:42.000 I don't like your rules.

01:12:43.000 The woods, I'm going to go stake a claim.

01:12:45.000 And you could, you can't do that anymore.

01:12:47.000 There are some, in some ways you can.

01:12:48.000 There are still people who homestead land and stuff like that in certain parts of the country, but yes, it's not.

01:12:54.000 The federal government will still come in.

01:12:55.000 So even when you don't generate U.S.

01:12:57.000 dollars, the federal government actually, in law, will take your pumpkins or your chickens.

01:13:02.000 No joke.

01:13:03.000 They actually state that U.S.

01:13:04.000 dollars is not the only way to pay taxes.

01:13:07.000 So if you get a homestead and you say, I don't care for U.S.

01:13:09.000 dollars.

01:13:09.000 I'm going to grow tomatoes.

01:13:10.000 Taxpayer shows up and says, we're taking those tomatoes.

01:13:12.000 We're taking 20% of your tomatoes because we're owed it.

01:13:15.000 That's a problem.

01:13:16.000 And so the challenge we're in is, the system has become so large, we are born into benefits which we do receive in a system that expects us to keep paying into it to maintain all of these things in some way, and many people don't agree to live that way.

01:13:31.000 My challenge is this.

01:13:33.000 It is difficult, but you can still go to an uninhabited island and homestead there and mostly be left alone, and then you will be excised from all the modern benefits of society.

01:13:42.000 But it's not a realistic argument.

01:13:43.000 Well, there's also a conflation, because you're conflating society and the state.

01:13:48.000 So like, there are a ton of benefits that we get from society, much more so than we

01:13:52.000 get from the state.

01:13:53.000 I mean, much more so than we get from any government program.

01:13:56.000 We just get benefits from the fact that like, people have figured out modern farming and

01:14:02.000 irrigation and all types of things that I don't understand but benefit from every single

01:14:07.000 day.

01:14:08.000 men and women have worked really hard to create that we inherit the benefit of.

01:14:12.000 But then when you get that, there's the beauty of like the free market and a society.

01:14:17.000 If you want to make anything for yourself, Like, you gotta go provide value to everybody else in order to do that, whether that's getting a job or selling a product or whatever it might be.

01:14:27.000 And so you have that.

01:14:28.000 But look, as far as, like, what the government gives you, in the same sense that, like, I think, you know, like, if I took your logic all the way to its most absurd conclusion or something like that, if you were to, like, kidnap someone and lock them in their basement and then every day go get him a Happy Meal from McDonald's or something, you can't just sit there and be like, Well, listen, I'm justified because you do get some stuff from me.

01:14:50.000 You know, I got you a new pair of jeans and a Happy Meal, so I'm justified in taking your liberty.

01:14:54.000 But you can't leave.

01:14:54.000 Well, my point is that, look, if the government... Okay, so even... Can you?

01:14:59.000 Even with a different situation where you could leave.

01:15:01.000 But look, I'm just saying the...

01:15:04.000 If all of these things that you're talking about, like let's say the services from government that you do benefit from, theoretically, make the whole thing voluntary, we'll find out real quickly what people benefit from and what they don't.

01:15:17.000 Solution.

01:15:18.000 Only net taxpayers can vote.

01:15:20.000 Well, that's not the solution.

01:15:22.000 I think what I said is the solution.

01:15:24.000 That might be a mechanism to get us closer to that.

01:15:26.000 And I do think that, look, I mean, as much as it is, you know, it's very demonized now, looking back at the past, that the framers' plan was that only white male landowners would get to vote.

01:15:39.000 And I certainly understand the racial objections to that.

01:15:43.000 But you could at least understand Where, from the founder's point of view, they were like, well, obviously everyone can't just vote.

01:15:50.000 It's got to be someone who owns land.

01:15:53.000 One vote per household.

01:15:54.000 Well, like, if you don't own land, then obviously they're just going to vote other people's stuff away, and then we'll all be poor.

01:16:00.000 And so, yeah, there's something to that.

01:16:03.000 Net taxpayer voting means that only people who are paying, obviously, are going to affect what gets paid for.

01:16:10.000 And so right now, I'll tell you one big issue I have, right?

01:16:14.000 So Democrats really want women in the draft and Conservatives really do not.

01:16:18.000 And I'm just kind of like, Conservatives are taking this very progressive position and Democrats are taking this very progressive, they're both progressive positions.

01:16:26.000 The Republican position is that women should be afforded all the rights and privileges of society and authority without civic responsibility. 0.93

01:16:33.000 And Democrats are arguing men and women are the same.

01:16:35.000 They're both very progressive positions.

01:16:38.000 So, you know, if you go back to the suffrage movement, one thing that's lost in the conversation is that it only passed 19th Amendment because a deal was cut where women would not have to assume civic responsibility and would get the right to vote regardless.

01:16:50.000 I think that was a huge mistake.

01:16:52.000 I have no problem with women voting. 1.00

01:16:54.000 By all means, please vote, but there's got to be equal civic responsibility.

01:16:57.000 So if that means You're going to be fire brigade.

01:17:01.000 It means you're going to be drafted.

01:17:03.000 Drafted does not mean frontline infantry.

01:17:05.000 It could mean administrative work, driving cars, cooking food, cleaning kitchens.

01:17:08.000 But it means when the time comes and conflict arises, women are called to action in whatever way they can serve. 0.85

01:17:14.000 Right now, we're in this reality where we have second-class citizens.

01:17:18.000 Women get to vote. 1.00

01:17:20.000 They don't have to die for it.

01:17:21.000 And they can all collectively vote to send me to die or younger men to die in Ukraine.

01:17:26.000 And that's what they're doing.

01:17:27.000 Democrats are overwhelmingly female and overwhelmingly vote for war and funding for Israel, too.

01:17:33.000 Now, younger Democrats I know are opposed to funding Israel, but they love funding Ukraine.

01:17:37.000 Not all of them.

01:17:37.000 There's a lot of anti-war left.

01:17:39.000 But they all fly the Ukrainian flags.

01:17:41.000 Hundreds of billions of dollars pumped into that war machine, which is inching us towards a World War III where they may very well have to draft people.

01:17:47.000 And it is predominantly liberal women. 0.99

01:17:49.000 The Democratic Party is overwhelmingly female.

01:17:51.000 Two-thirds of millennial women are voting to go have men die in war.

01:17:55.000 I think that's a nightmarish problem.

01:17:58.000 And it's particularly like single childless women if you break down the demographics. 1.00

01:18:04.000 To your point, when the Founding Fathers are like, you gotta own property to vote because otherwise people will just vote away other people's stuff, I am not surprised the Democratic Party overwhelmingly favors funding of war when it has shifted so heavily into female territory where there's no consequences for the women who vote for it. 0.74

01:18:18.000 There is.

01:18:19.000 It's just long-term consequences, not short-term.

01:18:22.000 Meanwhile, Harry Sisson, who loves Joe Biden, is going to be on the front lines.

01:18:25.000 Should this actually expand into a deeper conflict?

01:18:28.000 They have been, you know, they keep saying, oh, there's no, there's no, the draft's not going to happen.

01:18:33.000 But they just automated it.

01:18:35.000 Congress keeps inching towards preparing Selective Service for a mass draft.

01:18:40.000 With the move from the Armed Services Committee to include women in the draft, you know, anyone who thinks they're not getting ready for a draft is not paying attention.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, I don't want to be drafted.

01:18:50.000 I'd give up my vote to not draft.

01:18:52.000 And that was the argument back in the 1900s.

01:18:56.000 The anti-suffragettes.

01:18:57.000 Well, it was not negotiated very well on the other end.

01:19:00.000 I would say it was negotiated very well for women.

01:19:03.000 So my view is, I talked with Vivek about this, either in order to vote, you have to sign up for selective service by choice, and you don't have to.

01:19:13.000 If you don't, you don't vote.

01:19:13.000 That's it.

01:19:15.000 Or, some people have proposed only net taxpayers vote.

01:19:18.000 I like that better.

01:19:20.000 But I think that, look, there's also...

01:19:23.000 Wait, wait, real quick.

01:19:24.000 How about if you vote for war, you are also simultaneously volunteering for it?

01:19:28.000 I think that is a much better option.

01:19:32.000 I hope that that would reduce our tax burden too.

01:19:35.000 And I'll just add real quick, if a war came to these shores, and I was asked to defend the Constitution, I don't like the Democrats or the Uniparty, but if it was about the core of this nation, I would vote yes, and I would gladly, gladly accept the consequences of what that means, volunteering to be active in that, in whatever way I could serve to defend this country.

01:19:55.000 There's no, I would never support a war that I wasn't willing to fight in myself.

01:19:59.000 Correct.

01:20:00.000 I mean, there's not one.

01:20:01.000 There's not, I mean, and I don't know, that's just like, especially since Since having kids, especially, because it's just like, I feel like an obligation of like, like, I can't die because I got little kids, right?

01:20:11.000 You know, it's like, I kind of felt different when I was like, single, where it's like, I don't know, something happens to me, it happens to me.

01:20:16.000 But now I'm like, I can't, I can't at least for a few more years, I got to like, see these kids.

01:20:20.000 If you look at the senator and congressman who are voting for war, go through any of their children are enlisted.

01:20:25.000 Right.

01:20:26.000 It's very rare.

01:20:27.000 It's very rare for, uh, that that's the case.

01:20:29.000 And, but look, it would just be insane.

01:20:31.000 I mean, I'm 41, so I'm not exactly like the prime target to like get drafted, but I'm still an able bodied man.

01:20:38.000 How would I be sitting here saying, Hey, there's this fight and I think this is a worthwhile fight.

01:20:43.000 You guys go do that.

01:20:45.000 No, if I was going to support a war, I'd be willing to go fight and die in that war.

01:20:49.000 And so I do think it's crazy that anyone gets to, you know, kind of have no skin in the game in that sense and fight.

01:20:57.000 But to your greater point, look, there's no question you'd have to at least admit that

01:21:00.000 there's a huge incentive issue for non-net taxpayers to get to vote.

01:21:08.000 There's just a huge incentive problem there, which is that there's a conflict of interest.

01:21:12.000 Of course – look, Mitt Romney said this, if you remember, in 2012 and got a lot of

01:21:17.000 heat for it.

01:21:18.000 And he said it because the way he said it was kind of dismissive of those people, I

01:21:22.000 guess.

01:21:23.000 I forget his exact language.

01:21:24.000 He said, like, we might have 47 percent of people are net tax receivers, net benefit

01:21:31.000 receivers.

01:21:32.000 And that he was like, look, the message of, like, lower taxes to them isn't an appealing

01:21:37.000 message because they're receiving benefits.

01:21:40.000 So you're basically saying you're going to cut their benefits and they don't pay taxes.

01:21:44.000 So how does that help them?

01:21:46.000 And, you know, I think he called them takers or something like that.

01:21:50.000 And then they were like, oh, you're saying people on social security are takers and it got into that.

01:21:54.000 But there was a real point that he was making there, which is that there's a huge portion of the electorate who are like living off the dole.

01:22:01.000 Here's the progression of the American electorate, very easily explained.

01:22:08.000 Elections favor the unemployed.

01:22:09.000 Oh, 100%.

01:22:10.000 If you do not have a job, it's easy to go vote.

01:22:13.000 And that means the interests of the unemployed will outweigh the interests of the employed.

01:22:17.000 Anybody who works overtime and has a really stressful job, they're much less likely to vote.

01:22:24.000 And so what does that mean?

01:22:25.000 It also means that childless people are favored, and their interests will be outweighed.

01:22:32.000 So if you are a parent with kids, and you have work, you get off work, it's election day, I gotta pick up the kids from school.

01:22:40.000 What do you do?

01:22:41.000 You pick up the kids from school and then you're like, I can't vote.

01:22:44.000 And so I think election day should be one day, paper ballots and a holiday.

01:22:52.000 And you know, Republicans have said, well, that would be benefiting Democrats.

01:22:54.000 I'm like, I disagree.

01:22:56.000 I think based on today's data, where voting is now, it looks like it will.

01:23:01.000 But if you allow families to actually take the time off to go and vote, you will get more mothers and fathers voting and more hardworking Americans voting.

01:23:11.000 Look at what L.A.

01:23:12.000 did and then do the opposite of that.

01:23:13.000 L.A.

01:23:14.000 has a voting period that lasts 11 days, and they have special centers all over the county where you can drop your ballot at any time.

01:23:22.000 So take that model and do the complete opposite, and then you'll have a better outcome.

01:23:27.000 Yeah.

01:23:27.000 There's also, there's something to the dynamic that, cause it's kind of like this vicious cycle where, you know,

01:23:36.000 like democracy leads to growth in the size of government, bigger government does everything it can to undermine

01:23:43.000 families and communities and religion, because it's a threat to their kind of, you know, 1.00

01:23:48.000 their rule or their monopoly on their rule.

01:23:53.000 And then the more you undermine families, the more kind of like single childless women you have. 0.99

01:24:00.000 And look, I'm just saying we've all, everybody knows the dynamic I'm talking about.

01:24:04.000 When you talk about there's these women who do not have kids 1.00

01:24:08.000 who end up trying to mother society, who are trying to kind of like to,

01:24:13.000 you know, who's not trying to mother society?

01:24:15.000 My wife.

01:24:16.000 Because she's already a mother.

01:24:18.000 She's already got kids to mother. 1.00

01:24:19.000 She doesn't need to try to have a safe space on a college campus or something like that. 0.99

01:24:24.000 And that is a problem.

01:24:26.000 I'll make one quick point before we jump to a last segment I want to squeeze in.

01:24:29.000 When it comes to the media, the women who are writing these articles about feminism and the goals of women, they are single, childless women. 1.00

01:24:36.000 They are.

01:24:37.000 Why?

01:24:39.000 It's a pressure system.

01:24:40.000 That's how I refer to these things.

01:24:42.000 If you are single and childless, it's easy for you to write all the time.

01:24:45.000 If you're a mom with raising a kid, you have much less time to write these things, or you're not writing them at all.

01:24:51.000 It is challenging.

01:24:51.000 So media overwhelmingly favors feminists.

01:24:54.000 Well, that's a big part of it, but it's also the fact that, look, parenting is something

01:25:01.000 that is hardwired into us.

01:25:03.000 No matter what your politics are, you can always say the reason the species exists is

01:25:06.000 because we keep having more of us, and particularly women.

01:25:10.000 And this is something that almost every woman knows, or if she herself hasn't experienced

01:25:15.000 it, then all of her girlfriends have experienced it.

01:25:17.000 It's a hormonal instinct.

01:25:18.000 Women have baby fever. 0.99

01:25:20.000 They see babies and they're like, oh my God, I haven't had a baby yet.

01:25:22.000 I want to have a baby, like in a way that men don't. 1.00

01:25:25.000 And so there also is not only do they have more time, but there's this impulse.

01:25:29.000 And I think it's a beautiful impulse.

01:25:30.000 It's just when it's applied in the wrong directions, it can be destructive.

01:25:33.000 It's nurse ratchet.

01:25:34.000 But yes, right.

01:25:35.000 Yeah, right.

01:25:36.000 It's like this, this nurturing impulse to take care of things.

01:25:40.000 This is why they all get cats, right?

01:25:42.000 Like when they don't have kids, they get cats.

01:25:45.000 And also they get...

01:25:46.000 Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary.

01:25:50.000 attached to their cats. We're going to squeeze in one last segment for good measure. Ladies and 1.00

01:25:53.000 gentlemen, I give you the wonderful cheap fake, they call it Joe Biden. I would like you to listen

01:25:59.000 to Joe Biden. Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary.

01:26:05.000 I'm not sure I'm going to do show. Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security.

01:26:13.000 Secretary.

01:26:14.000 I'm not sure I'm going to introduce you all the way.

01:26:18.000 Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security.

01:26:22.000 Secretary.

01:26:23.000 I'm not sure I'm going to introduce you all the way.

01:26:29.000 I feel like I got stuck in that with him.

01:26:30.000 I'm not sure.

01:26:31.000 Real quick, real quick, because we want to make sure the full context is available.

01:26:36.000 I will play a longer version of it.

01:26:37.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:26:38.000 You and your cheap fake. 0.93

01:26:39.000 He was actually nailing it. 0.93

01:26:41.000 You just made him look bad.

01:26:42.000 Here we go.

01:26:42.000 Cheap fake.

01:26:44.000 Joe Biden's husband.

01:26:46.000 Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary.

01:26:51.000 I'm not sure I'm going to introduce you all the way.

01:26:55.000 But all kidding aside, Secretary Mayorkas— Dude, the fact that he goes, but all kidding aside, and that a couple people just uncomfortably chuckle, like, they have to pretend that was a joke?

01:27:05.000 Yeah.

01:27:06.000 Good one, Joe.

01:27:07.000 Nailed it.

01:27:08.000 You can see, like, very slightly panic blinking from Mayorkas in the corner, like, what do we do?

01:27:13.000 What do we do?

01:27:14.000 And then he just keeps going.

01:27:15.000 It's like he glitched.

01:27:16.000 It was beautiful.

01:27:17.000 Yeah.

01:27:17.000 I hope we get lots and lots more of him.

01:27:20.000 I'm feeling inspired, but maybe not the way... I'm a little nervous about the replacement theory we talked about earlier, because I really would like it to stay the way it is.

01:27:30.000 Because I'm planning on renewing my attempt to file conservatorship over Biden after the Democratic National Convention.

01:27:37.000 Are you actually going to file conservatorship?

01:27:39.000 100% yes.

01:27:40.000 We are going to really wreck the Biden campaign and be serious chaos agents.

01:27:46.000 You see what happened when they freed Britney?

01:27:48.000 You want another Britney on your hands? 0.97

01:27:50.000 Yes.

01:27:50.000 Turn over Joe Biden to me.

01:27:52.000 You know, Matt Walsh was gloating over this because he was saying like, all these people are screaming free Britney and he's like, the woman's clearly sick.

01:27:59.000 And, you know, and then they freed her and now she's planking knives. 1.00

01:28:05.000 Well, that's one W for Matt on that one, I'll say.

01:28:07.000 Actually, I think it's fine because she was enslaved by her father doing shows and it was gross. 1.00

01:28:13.000 Yeah, look, I think there was a lot of, like, sketchy stuff going on there, and she clearly doesn't have some great people around her.

01:28:18.000 She's not okay.

01:28:20.000 However, I do think that that... Look, I don't know that much about the details of Britney Spears' story, so I'm kind of speaking... You followed every single detail.

01:28:27.000 No, I really... You're covering up.

01:28:28.000 I don't know much, but on the third day of the hearing... But I will say that I did immediately, when I heard about the story, and everyone's like, free Britney, this is evil, she's a slave, essentially, you're like, listen, a judge saw something.

01:28:43.000 That led this judge to create this conservative shit. 0.99

01:28:46.000 I'm just saying, there was probably a shrink involved who was like, this chick is crazy and she can't be on her own. 1.00

01:28:54.000 So I just tweeted, hashtag Free Biden. 0.78

01:28:56.000 Free Biden.

01:28:57.000 Free Biden.

01:28:58.000 We're doing it. 1.00

01:28:59.000 We're getting a loser. 0.98

01:29:00.000 We're stealing votes from Joe Biden. 0.99

01:29:02.000 We're locking him up in a conservatorship.

01:29:04.000 It's going to be the best election season ever.

01:29:06.000 I'm saying free him from his conservatorship.

01:29:08.000 I know.

01:29:08.000 I'm ready for it.

01:29:10.000 Oh, you're all ready on that?

01:29:11.000 He's not even in it yet?

01:29:12.000 Licking the knives in front of the camera.

01:29:14.000 This isn't a thong for some reason.

01:29:16.000 They all do that.

01:29:17.000 This is the narrative they're giving us right now.

01:29:20.000 NBC News says, the deceptive Biden G7 video was quickly debunked.

01:29:23.000 It kept going viral anyway.

01:29:25.000 There was nothing to debunk.

01:29:27.000 Quite literally nothing to debunk.

01:29:30.000 We know that he walked over and looked at other troopers and gave them a thumbs up.

01:29:34.000 We know that.

01:29:34.000 He just sort of meandered away right as someone was about to say, hey, I'm here to see you.

01:29:42.000 Very awkward looking.

01:29:43.000 I'll break this down.

01:29:44.000 These people, this is the game they play.

01:29:46.000 I always describe it.

01:29:47.000 I hope people remember this.

01:29:49.000 Donald Trump will give a flower to a small child, and then everyone will share the video, and then Snopes and NBC will say, fact check, did Donald Trump give a flower to a small child dot dot dot on Sunday morning?

01:30:03.000 False.

01:30:04.000 Trump did not give a flower to a child on Sunday morning.

01:30:08.000 They'll write a thousand words, and the very bottom will say, well, he did give a flower to a child on Saturday morning, it was not Sunday.

01:30:14.000 They add fake context.

01:30:16.000 Let me explain this context here.

01:30:17.000 We know Joe Biden was at this G7 event where paratroopers were landing.

01:30:22.000 All of the world leaders were together, huddled together, watching a guy land.

01:30:27.000 For seemingly no reason, Biden spins around and then walks away from the group in a shuffling, meandering, confused kind of way.

01:30:35.000 I'm not saying he was literally confused.

01:30:36.000 He looks a little lost.

01:30:38.000 And the other world leaders immediately start looking at each other and then start moving towards him and then the Italian Prime Minister grabs him to pull him back.

01:30:45.000 And we were like, what is he doing?

01:30:47.000 He's supposed to be here with the other world leaders paying attention to the presentation and he wanders off to give a thumbs up to some other guys.

01:30:56.000 Now what they're doing is they're claiming that our claim was that he was doing nothing.

01:31:01.000 That he just walked away for no reason.

01:31:03.000 And now we've debunked that because there were people there.

01:31:04.000 And we're like, no, we know there were people there.

01:31:07.000 He got distracted like a child and walked away from what the crowd was focused on.

01:31:11.000 He seemingly forgot that they were all supposed to be doing something altogether.

01:31:14.000 Exactly.

01:31:14.000 Dude, I forget what it was.

01:31:15.000 There was this story that I was telling earlier about Hillary Clinton laughing on tape about getting that guy off.

01:31:23.000 There was a Snopes piece that said it was false.

01:31:25.000 This is years ago.

01:31:26.000 I can't remember exactly how they did it, but they basically just did like what you said, where they change what the claim is.

01:31:33.000 They go, the claim is Hillary Clinton was laughing at the girl, but she was actually laughing at how ridiculous... And you're like, no, that was never the claim.

01:31:41.000 The point is that she's retelling the story and finds it amusing when you'd think you would be like horrified. 0.54

01:31:47.000 You're, you're discussing the torture of a 12 year old with a smile on your face.

01:31:51.000 So they do this all the time.

01:31:52.000 I will say, this is my concern about this cheap fake thing, because at first you kind of look at it and it's the first impulse is almost like make fun of it.

01:32:00.000 You're like, OK, this is really what you're going to claim.

01:32:02.000 You're going to claim that actual videos are still deep fakes or you're going to you're going to try to your propaganda line is what that right wingers have made up that Joe Biden's in severe mental decline, that that's not something we can all see in front of our face.

01:32:16.000 This is what actually creeps me out about this, though.

01:32:19.000 And I'd say that this is something we know very intimately from what we do right now, this exact moment.

01:32:25.000 June of 2024 is actually not very bad censorship wise compared to where we've been in the last

01:32:33.000 few years.

01:32:34.000 2020, 2021, even 2022 were much, much worse, where you were worried about what you could

01:32:42.000 say and what you couldn't say.

01:32:44.000 And if you wanted to talk in 2020 about being against the lockdowns or being against the

01:32:49.000 COVID regime or anything like that, you were risking censorship.

01:32:53.000 If you wanted to talk about, say, people who have been injured by a pharmaceutical product in the year 2021, 2022, you were risking a lot more.

01:33:02.000 It's not so bad.

01:33:03.000 We still have to live, obviously, with, like, the YouTube terms of service or the iTunes or whatever it may be, which, by the way, I know me and you both wish we lived in a world with none of that, but You gotta play the game.

01:33:14.000 We can say the election was stolen now.

01:33:16.000 Right, now you can say that.

01:33:17.000 So we're relatively more free in what we can say now.

01:33:22.000 I do think, keep in mind, that there's an election coming up in November.

01:33:26.000 Yes.

01:33:27.000 And that we're going to see a ramp up in this.

01:33:29.000 And so what I think is that things like this are little trial balloons of kind of like feelers of like, oh by the way, you know what might be grounds for getting you kicked off YouTube?

01:33:39.000 You know what might be grounds for getting you kicked off Instagram or Facebook is if you had a cheap fake, which, by the way, means any video of Joe Biden obviously being in severe mental decline.

01:33:50.000 They've already begun to ramp it up.

01:33:51.000 And they're done that.

01:33:51.000 There was the video of Nancy Pelosi that was going viral that it was like her slurring.

01:33:59.000 And then fact checkers were like, this is not this is this is slowed down.

01:34:02.000 It's unfair.

01:34:03.000 So they banned the guy.

01:34:04.000 Yeah.

01:34:04.000 It's like you can't even make memes because the memes are deceptive.

01:34:07.000 Well, the thing is that they are, and this is why they were so furious with Elon Musk, is that the powerful people in this country are convinced that they can't win a fair fight.

01:34:19.000 So like, you know what I mean?

01:34:20.000 If we just allow everybody to have their platforms, we're gonna be destroyed.

01:34:25.000 I'll give you an example that I would love to give, because I love poker so much.

01:34:29.000 Angela, are you familiar with how to play poker?

01:34:31.000 Yes.

01:34:32.000 Okay, so are you guys familiar with angling or angle shooting?

01:34:35.000 A deceptive play that kind of goes outside the norms of the game.

01:34:38.000 Despite that it's a game of information and deception, there are people who break the spirit of the game to get an unfair advantage.

01:34:43.000 This is how the Democrats play elections.

01:34:46.000 Republicans know they're playing poker and that they got to have the best information.

01:34:50.000 They got to withhold information.

01:34:51.000 There's opposition research.

01:34:53.000 It's an information game.

01:34:54.000 Democrats are just like, what are the rules?

01:34:56.000 So, an example of this is, when you're playing Texas Hold'em poker, and you get to what's called showdown, it's the end, everyone shows their cards, and whoever has the better hand wins.

01:35:07.000 There's a move that deceptive, dishonorable people do, where, at a table, if you're all being friendly with each other, when it comes to showdown, sometimes you don't want to show your hand because you don't want to reveal information about how you play.

01:35:19.000 So you'll go, I got an ace.

01:35:21.000 And the other guy will go, nah, I got a pair.

01:35:22.000 And you'll go, okay.

01:35:23.000 And you'll throw your cards in with no one seeing them.

01:35:26.000 And the other guy doesn't show his cards either, but you're like, fine, whatever.

01:35:29.000 Probably a mistake.

01:35:31.000 I was at a table once where two guys are betting, they bet big, and then one guy says, I got a straight.

01:35:38.000 It's a good hand, a straight.

01:35:38.000 One, two, three, four, five.

01:35:40.000 The other guy goes, all right, and throws his cards into the muck.

01:35:43.000 The guy then flips over his cards and goes, psych!

01:35:45.000 Almost.

01:35:46.000 And the other guy goes, wait, what?

01:35:47.000 I won!

01:35:48.000 And he goes, too bad, kid.

01:35:49.000 Learned a lesson and took all the money.

01:35:51.000 And they said, you threw your cards away.

01:35:52.000 And he was like, but I thought he was telling me, he said he had a straight.

01:35:55.000 And they were like, did he show you a straight?

01:35:56.000 He's like, technically not against the rules, but it's totally against the spirit.

01:36:01.000 Everybody was like, bro, that's really funny.

01:36:04.000 You.

01:36:05.000 And he was like, that's the game.

01:36:06.000 He's like, and he started laughing and he shovels all the money over.

01:36:09.000 This is how Democrats run elections.

01:36:11.000 They're making moves behind the scenes that are technically not against the rules, ballot harvesting in states where it's legal, universal mail-in voting, and Republicans think that they're playing an honest game where they're trying to convince their opponents.

01:36:26.000 That was 2020.

01:36:28.000 So in 2020, they're like, all the Republicans, myself included, we were like, not as a Republican, but as a Trump voter, because I don't like the Republican Party.

01:36:35.000 We were all like, we clearly won the argument.

01:36:37.000 Donald Trump has done some bad things.

01:36:39.000 We can all recognize these things.

01:36:40.000 But his polling is within the margin of error in the swing for a bias in Democrats, the Moody's analytics.

01:36:47.000 The pandemic made things a little unsure, but certainly he's won the argument.

01:36:50.000 In fact, he gained more voters.

01:36:52.000 He won the bellwether counties, but Biden still won somehow because Democrats were playing a totally different game where they were like, we don't have to quote unquote cheat.

01:37:03.000 We just have to play the game that is dishonorable, and that's what they do.

01:37:06.000 Well, I will be playing a very different game in 2024.

01:37:09.000 Very, very excited.

01:37:11.000 You know, they are ramping up the censorship already.

01:37:16.000 The FBI came after the Libertarian Party's Facebook page.

01:37:21.000 Oh, yes.

01:37:21.000 What did they say?

01:37:22.000 They told us that we had been compromised by a hostile foreign government.

01:37:27.000 So I filed a FOIA request immediately.

01:37:29.000 This happened right before the convention.

01:37:30.000 I filed a FOIA request and they came back and said, no, you don't get any documentation beyond what we've said, because you're still under investigation.

01:37:40.000 This is not a joke.

01:37:41.000 I've had two calls with the FBI, so has the party's attorney.

01:37:44.000 And so what's happened with the Facebook page in the meantime?

01:37:46.000 Nothing right now!

01:37:47.000 So you still have control of it?

01:37:48.000 Well, technically, we went in and I had staff call and get on the phone with Facebook's IT support.

01:37:56.000 The access logs have all been wiped, so we can't see who's logged in and logged out.

01:38:01.000 A hostile foreign power. 1.00

01:38:03.000 When we pressed and said, we need to know who's logged in and out, you know, we're changing our passwords and doing all of our IT safety checks, they said, talk to the FBI, my friend.

01:38:12.000 The FBI said, we'll tell you nothing because we're the government and trust us.

01:38:16.000 Yes.

01:38:17.000 FBI, what do you think?

01:38:18.000 We're Putin supporters?

01:38:19.000 That was like two years ago.

01:38:20.000 We're Hamas supporters now. 0.93

01:38:22.000 Keep up!

01:38:24.000 They are definitely cracking down.

01:38:26.000 That's big news!

01:38:27.000 I love that the Libertarians are... Has this been publicized?

01:38:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:38:31.000 That's crazy!

01:38:33.000 So I talked to some friends on the Trump team and they said you have to go public with it.

01:38:38.000 It's the only way to protect yourself is to go public or they're gonna try to shut you down.

01:38:42.000 They know!

01:38:43.000 And they're gonna claim in November the Libertarian Party was compromised by Russia and helped Trump win.

01:38:50.000 Yes.

01:38:52.000 They're trying already to shut us up.

01:38:54.000 I love that the idea would be that the anti-government party was working with somebody else's government.

01:38:59.000 Right.

01:39:00.000 Well, that's the funny thing, by the way.

01:39:02.000 I mean, like the joke I was making, but like how much I've just gotten called, like, you must be a Putin supporter, a Hamas supporter or whatever.

01:39:08.000 And you're like, you know, I don't have to support a foreign government to hate my own government.

01:39:13.000 Like, I could just be against, like, what the criminals in DC do.

01:39:17.000 It doesn't mean I'm for them any more than I was for Saddam Hussein. 0.97

01:39:20.000 It just bums me out because America's, like, so awesome, but we have this, like, it's like a brain slug attached to our head.

01:39:27.000 Yes.

01:39:28.000 We can't get off.

01:39:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:30.000 Well, look, I mean, there's there is something about that, though, right?

01:39:33.000 That it's like, this is It's ultimately why a lot of libertarians embrace anarchism.

01:39:39.000 It's that there's this problem that we kind of found through running the experiment of the United States of America, right?

01:39:46.000 Where the whole story is that America is the smallest, most limited, constitutionally constricted government of all time.

01:39:55.000 And this produces the wealthiest society that's ever existed.

01:39:58.000 And then, because the society is so wealthy, the government can just leech right off that.

01:40:03.000 And then, now at this point, we have the biggest government in the history of the world.

01:40:06.000 I feel like an elephant, and I just feel like I'm following it with a shovel.

01:40:10.000 That is the role of the LP in this election.

01:40:13.000 There's a video, I don't know if you've ever seen, but you'll want to share with the entirety of the Libertarian Party, where this guy, was it Gray?

01:40:20.000 Gray Plays Games or whatever, Serge, do you know this one?

01:40:22.000 There's a guy who plays video games and there's a game, I think it's called City State.

01:40:27.000 It's been a while since we talked about this.

01:40:30.000 And it's similar to civilization.

01:40:32.000 You build a city state.

01:40:33.000 You determine if you want high taxes or low taxes, high policing, low policing.

01:40:37.000 And so he decides to do a playthrough where he's like, I am going to make just total chaos.

01:40:44.000 No government, no taxes, nothing.

01:40:46.000 People can do whatever they want.

01:40:47.000 It's going to be a disaster.

01:40:47.000 I don't care.

01:40:49.000 And as he's playing it, what do you think happened?

01:40:51.000 I don't know.

01:40:52.000 Did it work out great?

01:40:53.000 Ski resorts popping up everywhere. 0.86

01:40:55.000 Skyscrapers.

01:40:56.000 He was like, what's happening?

01:40:57.000 There's no poor people.

01:40:59.000 There's no crime.

01:41:00.000 Oh my God.

01:41:02.000 And this video went massively viral.

01:41:04.000 He thought by not having government, it would be crime and chaos and disaster.

01:41:09.000 And then he's like, I'm building another ski resort.

01:41:11.000 And there's just building mountains and ski resorts everywhere.

01:41:14.000 Everyone's living in just pure wealth.

01:41:16.000 Well, I mean, look, dude, there's.

01:41:19.000 The amount, and this is kind of like what we were getting at before, even if there are some services that the government provides, which are, and like, I agree with you, like, there are some services, particularly my local government provides that are like, they're okay.

01:41:31.000 They're never great, but they're okay.

01:41:31.000 They're fine.

01:41:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:35.000 But for how much it costs you, like the trade-off is not even close.

01:41:40.000 And it's when you really start to scale it up and think about it, it is, I mean, The amount of wealth that is extracted from the productive sectors of society into literally blowing up a bridge to then rebuild the bridge in Damascus or in, maybe not in Damascus, but in wherever Fallujah or something like that.

01:42:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:05.000 Like just wasted resources.

01:42:07.000 It's like we would be so infinitely more wealthy than we are as a society if it wasn't for this.

01:42:15.000 We would have so many ski resorts.

01:42:16.000 Yeah, a lot of ski resorts.

01:42:17.000 I do want to loop back to the FBI story because I think this should be, like, massively circulated among Libertarians and Trump supporters, especially with the nomination of Chase Oliver, who is deeply unpopular with, I would assume, is the majority of the Libertarian Party who voted in Mises' caucus.

01:42:34.000 Correct.

01:42:35.000 We'll pull votes from Joe Biden.

01:42:36.000 100% he will.

01:42:38.000 This is big and I think we need to stress this and make sure everybody puts a sticky note because I think the play is going to be that the Libertarian Party was compromised to put a progressive in who would pull votes from Biden as a spoiler candidate and Russia got...

01:42:38.000 Very happy.

01:42:54.000 They're going after the Libertarian Party already.

01:42:57.000 They're going after the Green Party, too.

01:42:59.000 So we've got to defend Jill Stein.

01:43:01.000 Defend Jill Stein because she's going to pull from Biden, too, because she's good on Gaza.

01:43:06.000 We've got to defend all these guys.

01:43:08.000 Wow.

01:43:08.000 And if Biden ends up winning, they'll maintain that narrative and try and use us against third parties.

01:43:14.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:43:15.000 Increase barriers to entry.

01:43:16.000 Absolutely.

01:43:17.000 I would not be surprised if they make a move where they're like, we, you know, this is not a two-party, we're not, you know, it's unintentionally two-party, but because of Russian interference, these third parties need to be vetted by the FBI.

01:43:28.000 Absolutely.

01:43:29.000 They're, they're, well... Democracy.

01:43:31.000 I mean, it really is interesting.

01:43:33.000 Kennedy is pulling more from Biden, too.

01:43:36.000 And I think that people were nervous at first that he would not be.

01:43:39.000 But he is.

01:43:40.000 There's a lot of Democrats who want pandemic amnesty and a return to sanity, whatever that means in their minds.

01:43:46.000 So they think that that's Kennedy.

01:43:48.000 Let's just go back to 2012 era.

01:43:50.000 Old school Democrats.

01:43:51.000 Apparently, old school is 12 years ago.

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:55.000 But you know what the argument there was?

01:43:57.000 There was a quick-witted argument from a leftist when someone said, I'm just a Democrat from 10 years ago.

01:44:02.000 And they were like, that's like saying, like, everyone in the country was pro-segregation until 10 years later in the 1950s.

01:44:09.000 So the argument from progressives is, yes, quite literally, you are a Democrat from 10 years ago.

01:44:15.000 That's what being conservative is.

01:44:16.000 You're holding on to the old values that we've moved on from.

01:44:19.000 That's also what being a conservative is, is I'm a Democrat from 10 years ago.

01:44:23.000 It's what it has been my entire life.

01:44:24.000 I mean, look, even Donald Trump is essentially, he's a liberal from when I was a kid.

01:44:29.000 I mean, like, that's like what he is.

01:44:31.000 It's not like a New York liberal.

01:44:33.000 I mean, that's a New York Democrat.

01:44:34.000 That's what he was and what he always has been and kind of still is.

01:44:37.000 A 90s Democrat to be specific.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, not from 10 years ago, from 30 years ago.

01:44:42.000 Fine.

01:44:42.000 But like, you know, I do think A lot of times, especially, because we all create our own little bubbles these days, and we all are in a bubble of talking about politics all the time and hyper-focusing on it, and it's very easy to get removed from the fact that that is just not the reality for 95% of voters.

01:45:06.000 And 95% of voters just don't think about this as much as we do.

01:45:10.000 And I'm not blaming them for that.

01:45:12.000 I don't know.

01:45:13.000 This happens to be our jobs.

01:45:15.000 That's not most people's jobs, and so they focus on their life.

01:45:17.000 They got families and stuff.

01:45:19.000 You don't have so much capacity.

01:45:21.000 If you want to explain why Bobby is doing so well with Democratic voters, I do think a lot of it comes down to the fact that there's a whole lot of Democratic voters who go, I think the Democrats have gone a little bit crazy as of late, and they are attached to that name.

01:45:37.000 People do not understand how much value that name still holds.

01:45:43.000 After every election, viewership and revenue on political shows drops dramatically for obvious reasons.

01:45:56.000 People are tired, they're burned out, and they're just like, I'm over it, I don't hear about it anymore.

01:46:01.000 Politicians are dumping money into ad campaigns, so revenue starts going way, way up, and by the end of this year, Ad rates for political channels will be like two or three times higher than the average.

01:46:12.000 Everyone else will get a little bump as well because it's multi-billion dollars.

01:46:16.000 The question then becomes, as we as a company are budgeting out for how many people we can hire, what we can build, we got to make sure that we have enough money left over.

01:46:24.000 And so the concern is, well, don't forget...

01:46:27.000 Come December, we are going to see... December will be... December, on presidential election cycles, is a massive burst of money.

01:46:36.000 Every December, companies will dump their advertising budgets.

01:46:40.000 They get a budget for the year or for the quarter, and they say, if we don't spend it now, we're going to lose it.

01:46:44.000 You're better off just spending it.

01:46:46.000 So they do, and then ad rights go through the roof.

01:46:49.000 Come January, budgets are not set, and so ad rights collapse.

01:46:54.000 Now the question is, January 2025, will ad rates collapse or will they skyrocket?

01:47:02.000 Because it won't be in the middle.

01:47:04.000 Assuming what happens after this election is bedlam, viewership on political channels will go through the roof.

01:47:10.000 After 2021, we actually had a couple months where it was nuts.

01:47:14.000 Viewership was insane because of January 6 and all these things.

01:47:18.000 And just contesting the election in general.

01:47:20.000 All of it.

01:47:21.000 It was wild.

01:47:22.000 So we're actually having the conversation of, internally as a business, do we prepare for a downturn?

01:47:28.000 Interesting.

01:47:29.000 Or do we actually prepare for an upswing?

01:47:31.000 Crazy upswing.

01:47:32.000 We're going to treat it like a downturn's coming because we don't want to get into a position where we're budgeting.

01:47:36.000 Probably better to prepare for that.

01:47:38.000 If I had to bet, I mean, there's so many possibilities still.

01:47:42.000 There's so much to come, but I would not be surprised if it's another one like last time

01:47:46.000 where there's, you know, look, well, I think you're almost at a point like in the same

01:47:52.000 way.

01:47:53.000 I think this was true in 2020.

01:47:56.000 No matter which side loses, they're not going to see it as legitimate.

01:48:01.000 And that's a point that we've gotten to.

01:48:04.000 It's almost like people, particularly people who hate Donald Trump, they want to go like, oh my God, he denied the results of an election.

01:48:12.000 This is so crazy.

01:48:13.000 is totally different than what Hillary Clinton and Al Gore did or whatever, which it isn't really,

01:48:17.000 but whatever. They were saying it's to them because he's a bad guy. Right, right. So that's

01:48:21.000 as wrong and it's nothing like anything they would do. But the truth is that if you just

01:48:25.000 looked at the year of 2020 and you went, wait a minute. So they locked down the country. They

01:48:31.000 like had the largest transfer of wealth from working Americans to the billionaire class in

01:48:36.000 human history. Then there's this mass censorship campaign where anybody who's against the insanity

01:48:43.000 is losing their ability to speak. Then they overhaul the way you do voting for the first

01:48:48.000 time ever that you don't even have to show up to the polls and it's not verified and all of this.

01:48:53.000 You just look at those fundamentals.

01:48:55.000 You go, yeah, obviously they were never going to trust this thing.

01:48:58.000 And I think that's the same now, but for both sides, you know, it's like, I think if Donald Trump wins, the Democrats are going to think it's illegitimate.

01:49:05.000 If, if Biden or whoever it is wins, the Trump supporters are going to say it's illegitimate.

01:49:09.000 And I just think this circus is going to continue on would be my guess.

01:49:13.000 We're going to grab Super Chats.

01:49:14.000 I know we pushed it a little bit, but the FBI thing I think was really important to get into.

01:49:18.000 That's crazy.

01:49:18.000 So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, head over to TimCast.com and become a member.

01:49:24.000 Click join us at TimCast.com.

01:49:25.000 Click join us.

01:49:26.000 That members-only call-in show will be up in about 12 minutes where you get to call in, talk to us and our guests, but we will grab Super Chats.

01:49:34.000 Let's grab those quickly.

01:49:35.000 Waffle Sensei says, howdy people.

01:49:37.000 Let's see if Dave admits he is voting for Trump in 2024.

01:49:39.000 Let's go.

01:49:42.000 There's nothing to admit.

01:49:42.000 I tell the truth.

01:49:44.000 I tell the truth, dude.

01:49:45.000 I'm telling it right now.

01:49:47.000 If I decide to vote for someone, I'll tell you who I'm voting for.

01:49:51.000 As of right now, I'm not really thinking about it.

01:49:53.000 That was the first one, but I'm going to pick a mean one for you guys.

01:49:56.000 Jason Dixon says, question for Dave and Angela.

01:49:59.000 How long until you realize your party has become a joke and aren't what the people actually want?

01:50:04.000 Your candidate is a joke and that's what your party is or how it appears.

01:50:08.000 Yeah, we're really the only party that's a joke. 0.96

01:50:10.000 No, no, no.

01:50:12.000 Totally incorrect, small-minded inability to see the big picture.

01:50:16.000 We are the most powerful voting bloc in the country right now.

01:50:20.000 You can hate my candidate.

01:50:22.000 He will decide the election outcome.

01:50:24.000 If you are a Trump supporter, you should love my candidate.

01:50:28.000 You should be thanking me.

01:50:30.000 You should be sending us donations.

01:50:33.000 We are winning the election for you.

01:50:36.000 That is the narrative and it is probably the truth.

01:50:39.000 Well, can I just say that, like, look, I understand, there's always an argument about whether you should be involved in a third party under a system that's rigged for two parties, you know, like, and I get that, and we, me and Angela have lots of great libertarian friends who are Republicans who do, like, incredible stuff there.

01:50:55.000 There's Eric Brakey and Tho Bishop and some of these guys who are, I love these guys to death.

01:51:00.000 There's a debate, I've had this debate with people before, and there's arguments on both sides, but can you really just, like, Could you just sit here and say, given the state of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, given the state of the trajectory of this country, you can't admit that, like, there's an argument that maybe we should try something else here?

01:51:19.000 Maybe we should try something that can shake this up?

01:51:22.000 Plan a flag somewhere?

01:51:23.000 Have a home for people who have a different view of what type of society we should be living in?

01:51:27.000 And in this experiment that we've been really, I mean Angela's been in the party longer than I have, but since the kind of Mises caucus takeover of this thing and Angela being the chair, it's at least made the party, undeniably, more relevant and in the current cultural conversation than ever in its history.

01:51:45.000 Well that may be.

01:51:47.000 But you are all still a joke.

01:51:49.000 But to be fair, the Democrats and the Republicans are also jokes.

01:51:52.000 I will own it.

01:51:53.000 I will 100% own being a joke.

01:51:56.000 But the reality is we are not losers.

01:51:58.000 We are not spoilers.

01:51:59.000 We are fixers.

01:52:00.000 If you want to see Ross Ulbrich freed and out of prison, you should support the Libertarian Party, even if you don't support our presidential candidate.

01:52:07.000 If you want to see Julian Assange freed, Definitely support us.

01:52:11.000 I'm still working on that one.

01:52:13.000 No other political party is going to deliver you that.

01:52:16.000 No other political party is going to push the president to abolish the Department of Education and actually see it through.

01:52:21.000 It's just all of the parties are jokes, guys.

01:52:23.000 No, no, listen.

01:52:24.000 I don't disagree with that.

01:52:25.000 I would also say... I'm in on the joke.

01:52:27.000 Look, and this is something that, like, Angela's, like... By the way, you get all the credit for this because this was you.

01:52:32.000 I mean, like, I had nothing to do with this.

01:52:34.000 And, like, the fact that you were able to get Trump there and get these concessions out of him... I'll say this.

01:52:39.000 Amazing.

01:52:39.000 One of the major problems that you have in politics is that when elections come, and it's an election year, people get super tribal, and they get super behind their guy.

01:52:52.000 And you can kind of understand why.

01:52:53.000 Like, you can understand why.

01:52:54.000 It's like, hey, you know, I said, I tweeted the other day, I find this really interesting, but I tweeted, I said, Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump, and it's not even close.

01:53:04.000 Okay?

01:53:05.000 Now, this tweet blew up and kind of went a little viral, and there were all these Trump supporters who were so angry at me for saying it, and they go, why would you say that now?

01:53:14.000 He's not running for president, so like, why are you taking shots at Trump when he's the Amer- and it's kind of, to me, the way my mentality works, it's like, why say it?

01:53:22.000 Because I believe it.

01:53:23.000 I think it's true.

01:53:24.000 And what they're doing is they're going, yeah, but right now, don't say anything that hurts our guy.

01:53:29.000 This is the- Why would that hurt Trump?

01:53:32.000 Well, just because I'm saying he's not as America first as somebody else.

01:53:35.000 But this is the Laura Loomer mentality about politics. 0.98

01:53:38.000 You say nothing that's critical of Donald Trump.

01:53:40.000 You only say the positive things for it.

01:53:42.000 It doesn't matter if you're being honest.

01:53:44.000 It doesn't matter if you're stretching.

01:53:45.000 It doesn't matter.

01:53:46.000 We're in a political game and we're trying to win.

01:53:48.000 But all I'm saying is- But you're not even critical of him.

01:53:50.000 Well, look, I'm just saying the problem with that mentality is that, look, It's only really once every four years that these guys need anything from you.

01:54:02.000 Right now they need something from you.

01:54:03.000 They need your vote.

01:54:04.000 They need your money.

01:54:05.000 They need your support.

01:54:06.000 Once they get in there, Trump's like, this is second term.

01:54:08.000 He doesn't need anything from you anymore.

01:54:10.000 So right now should actually be the time when say Trump supporters who are 100% going to vote for Trump right now should be the moment that they're like, but you better be America first.

01:54:20.000 You better only put America first, people in your cabinet. 0.95

01:54:22.000 Like, hey, I'm a loyal Trump-supporting Republican, but if I smell Mike Pompeo around this goddamn administration, I'm bailing on this thing. 0.64

01:54:30.000 You see, this is the time when you should actually—yet none of the Trump supporters are doing that. 0.97

01:54:34.000 They're just blindly following him.

01:54:35.000 None of the Biden supporters are doing that.

01:54:37.000 They're just blindly following—and Angela's kind of the only one who's at least found a way to get him to, like, make some promises that you're going to do some things better in this next go-around.

01:54:46.000 One of the things that I thought was really interesting when Haley, it was before South Carolina, she was saying, I'm not going to drop out because if I did, it would be the longest general election in American history.

01:54:53.000 And I actually thought that would have been good for this MAGA America First movement because they could have spent every day being like, Trump, you need to tell us exactly who you're going to put in your cabinet.

01:55:02.000 We need to know who's going to be in your administration if we're going forward.

01:55:05.000 Because we kind of know what the policies are going to be.

01:55:08.000 There might be some issues, like again, with the Department of Education or with the Ross Sullivan protest, that you need a specific answer on.

01:55:14.000 But they also need to know who is around him, because that was one of the biggest criticisms of Trump last time, that he staffed poorly.

01:55:20.000 He sure did.

01:55:21.000 Me and my swing state squad are going to be the ones.

01:55:24.000 Me, Jeff Hurley, the chair of LP Nevada, the chair of Wisconsin, Stephen Ecker, we're the ones deciding it.

01:55:32.000 I believe his name is Greg Daly in Pennsylvania.

01:55:36.000 Hannah Goodman, the crazy wild horse energy in Colorado.

01:55:42.000 We're the ones willing to take risks here.

01:55:45.000 Here's a good one.

01:55:45.000 Nicholas Olenek says, Tim, I'm the delegate who took a selfie with you at lunch and then I bought some coffee at the LNC.

01:55:51.000 I'm a proud Mises Caucus member and delegate for the LNC.

01:55:55.000 The future is libertarian.

01:55:57.000 Hashtag Trump 2024.

01:55:57.000 Love it.

01:55:58.000 He said it, not me, but I love the energy.

01:56:05.000 It was funny seeing so many Libertarians say, well, Trump won the Libertarian Party after all, after Chase's nomination.

01:56:13.000 C'est la vie, c'est la vie.

01:56:15.000 That's what I was saying.

01:56:16.000 I was like, he's going to be the true winner because a lot of people, I respect that a lot of Libertarians are going to be like, no, no, I'm for the party, but I'm going to vote for Trump.

01:56:23.000 Just don't tell anybody.

01:56:24.000 You could be for both.

01:56:27.000 I just thought it was funny because being there at the convention, as you were, Tim, and obviously you were, Angela, There's just this dynamic where a lot of the kind of freakier members of the LPA who were like booing Trump like a bunch of college leftists when he spoke.

01:56:45.000 They were hysterical booing Trump and then turned around and voted for Chase and you were like, you realize how much better that is for him than a standing ovation?

01:56:56.000 Like you could have just not booed and just clapped and just loved everything he had to say and that wouldn't have helped him nearly as much.

01:57:03.000 Trust me, a lot of grief as I set that thing up.

01:57:06.000 And I said, you just trust me.

01:57:08.000 They all thought corporate media is going to tell everybody we love Donald Trump.

01:57:12.000 And I said, I don't think that's what corporate media is going to say about us.

01:57:15.000 No, it was the opposite.

01:57:16.000 Yeah, well, they didn't have any clue what was going to happen.

01:57:19.000 Really, what happened was that the corporate media actually gave us some kind of cool headlines Because they were just trying to make Trump look bad, and they were like, the Libertarians are so critical of Donald Trump.

01:57:29.000 But what happened was that the more right-wing online media, they had actual, like, video from the room.

01:57:36.000 And then you were like, oh, that doesn't look so great.

01:57:38.000 It was crazy.

01:57:39.000 People, like, were actually getting into fights.

01:57:41.000 It was a very emotional crowd.

01:57:44.000 Yeah, it was pretty wild.

01:57:45.000 I want to read this.

01:57:45.000 This is an important super chat from Paul Tascalos.

01:57:48.000 He says, Dave, you lost the debate to Cuomo.

01:57:50.000 He saved lives.

01:57:51.000 And you did horse paste for clicks.

01:57:54.000 Just kidding.

01:57:54.000 You crushed him.

01:57:55.000 Fredo got a taste of Dave Smith paste.

01:57:57.000 Cuomo had a bad case of David 19.

01:58:00.000 Louis J. Gomez for president.

01:58:03.000 That guy I would vote for.

01:58:04.000 That is uh...

01:58:05.000 Lui J Gomez for president.

01:58:06.000 Lui...

01:58:07.000 Alright, I would support...

01:58:08.000 That guy I would vote for.

01:58:09.000 Um, I was...

01:58:10.000 David Nash.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, listen, the Cuomo debate went about how we all thought it was gonna go.

01:58:16.000 It was so great.

01:58:18.000 I think you weren't mean enough, but it's probably actually a good thing.

01:58:22.000 I held back on some of the meaner stuff I thought about saying.

01:58:28.000 I tried to walk the line.

01:58:30.000 It was a challenge at points.

01:58:33.000 When he lied about being in COVID quarantine and faking it, It's just like, dude, just own it.

01:58:39.000 We respect you more for it.

01:58:40.000 I think it's fun.

01:58:41.000 I think it's fun to see what, like, the corporate media types, like, what they think they can get away with.

01:58:46.000 Well, there's moments, look, there's a few moments where in this crazy world we're in, you kind of get to do these things.

01:58:51.000 Look, I still think your moment when you were on Rogan with Dorsey and, what's her name, his lawyer?

01:58:59.000 Yeah, I got it.

01:59:01.000 Yeah.

01:59:01.000 That was like one of these crazy internet moments, you know, where it's like you got to kind of see You know, like, just how much their argument collapsed on itself, like, as they started presenting it.

01:59:12.000 And you're like, dude, you're contradicting the thing you said one second ago.

01:59:15.000 Like, what do you mean?

01:59:16.000 Like, oh, we don't have a political view on transgenders. 0.99

01:59:19.000 And you're like, but you could ban someone if they deadname someone.

01:59:22.000 And they're like, well, yeah, of course you could.

01:59:23.000 And you're like, that's a political view!

01:59:25.000 And it was kind of a moment like that where you just get to see, like, some comedian podcaster go up against the guy who just a few years ago was the number one show on CNN while I was like one of these guys on the internet railing against all the COVID restrictions and to just see how much it's like yeah they've got nothing they just have nothing.

01:59:44.000 The veil drops and it's like incompetence.

01:59:46.000 Yes yes like like it's just you can't believe how unimpressive they are.

01:59:51.000 I love that my friends don't think CNN anything on CNN is news that was that was a That was a grand slam. 0.93

01:59:57.000 Yeah, I was a little bit of a dick for that one, but that was fun. 0.95

01:59:59.000 I would have been way meaner. 0.95

02:00:01.000 I've tweeted this several times.

02:00:02.000 My opening question would have been, who do you think your son learned from more?

02:00:07.000 You faking being in COVID quarantine on national television, or your brother who murdered 15,000 people?

02:00:12.000 Brutal.

02:00:12.000 Yeah, I would have been ice cold, but I didn't do it.

02:00:15.000 I'm going to read one last Super Chat here.

02:00:19.000 RaviSkate1 says, Tim Pool, the guy who said 400 electoral landslide in 2020.

02:00:26.000 Now, the first thing I'm going to do is absolutely defend everything I said in 2020 because I was completely correct, except for like 2% of my predictions.

02:00:36.000 Clarifying, that's a gross overstatement about what I actually did say, but looking at like Moody's analytics and polling data, Moody's Analytics actually had a scenario where Trump would win in a landslide victory comparable to like Reagan or something.

02:00:51.000 We don't know if that was true.

02:00:52.000 Second thing I'll say is Trump landslide victory, 49th State landslide was a meme, which the left was I guess unaware of, which was a generic term for Trump is just going to win really, really well.

02:01:06.000 Right.

02:01:07.000 But more importantly, I was completely correct in my analysis.

02:01:11.000 Trump got more votes than any sitting president a second time around.

02:01:15.000 He gained more votes.

02:01:17.000 He won, I believe, 17 of 18 Bellwether counties.

02:01:20.000 He won, I think, Ohio and Florida, the Bellwether states.

02:01:24.000 So he actually accomplished everything the models that I had addressed were set to accomplish, which in all circumstances pointed to a Trump victory.

02:01:34.000 Except for Democrats' shadow campaign, which I could not have predicted.

02:01:37.000 So if you actually were to look at all the analytics and all the metrics where I said, wow, Trump's going to do well here, he's going to do well here, he's going to do well here.

02:01:42.000 These are all indicative of a major victory.

02:01:44.000 I was completely correct.

02:01:46.000 What I did not account for was changing demographics from COVID where people were moving.

02:01:51.000 Universal mail-in voting dramatically altering things, and Democrats' quote-unquote shadow campaign, which they called in Time magazine, their effort at various levels from corporate to the governorships in red states that were controlled by Democrats to affect the outcome of the election.

02:02:09.000 Which ultimately did.

02:02:10.000 So my mistake and my prediction was I didn't, I couldn't, I could look at the news, but I couldn't see what Democrats were doing untoward behind the scenes.

02:02:19.000 Yeah, fortunately.

02:02:20.000 I kind of had a similar thing.

02:02:21.000 I mean, I was predicting Donald Trump would get reelected, even with all the COVID stuff.

02:02:26.000 I thought the riots and all of that was going to be enough to carry him through.

02:02:30.000 It wasn't until, and people can go back and listen to my shows, when I realized the universal mail-in voting thing, I was like, oh well now it's up in the air completely.

02:02:40.000 And the truth is, if you're predicting that election, right, like what were the numbers exactly?

02:02:44.000 The numbers, assuming everything was completely legitimate, but Trump got like 73 million.

02:02:49.000 No, I think it was 74 point something.

02:02:51.000 74 million and Biden was like 81 or something like that.

02:02:54.000 So it's like if you look at it, I mean, if you take Biden out, Trump got more votes than anybody in the history of the United States of America has.

02:03:00.000 So it's like the numbers may have been a little bit inflated higher than usual, but like he did, it's just very hard to account for the mail-in voting.

02:03:08.000 And obviously there was no fraud.

02:03:10.000 Have you had Scott Pressler on?

02:03:12.000 Oh yeah, several times.

02:03:13.000 Yeah, we'll see if he can pull something together.

02:03:16.000 Never before has a president gained votes and lost.

02:03:19.000 Right.

02:03:19.000 Never before has a president won 90% of Bellwether counties and lost.

02:03:25.000 Never before has a president won, I think it's a combination of three states, and lost.

02:03:30.000 Trump managed to lose despite hitting every benchmark.

02:03:33.000 Well, it was very anomalous.

02:03:35.000 Yes.

02:03:36.000 The crazy curve as they counted votes.

02:03:39.000 Oh yeah.

02:03:39.000 We're gonna wrap it up there, we're gonna go to the Members Only show, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and go to TimCast.com, click join us, because we're gonna have fun and we're gonna be naughty and say naughty things that aren't for children, because it's the Uncensored Members Call-In Show, where you can ask us questions.

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02:03:59.000 Oh, ComicDaveSmith.com, at ComicDaveSmith on Twitter, that's all.

02:04:05.000 Oh, Part of the Problem, that's my podcast, I should have said that.

02:04:08.000 I'm glad you remembered.

02:04:09.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 19, 2024

Trump Biden Debate WILL END Biden, Dems Float HILLARY w-Dave Smith, Angela McArdle | Timcast IRL

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