On today's show, we have a special guest, Dave Smith of the Libertarian National Committee, who joins us to talk about Joe Biden's near-fatal gaffe in the first Democratic primary debate, the "Ozempic Diet," and much, much more.
00:00:30.000But everyone's actually calling it the Ozempic Diet, so I don't know, whatever.
00:00:34.000But the Washington Post ran this column, which is probably nothing, it's probably noise, but there is a lot of concern about what's going to happen to Joe Biden in this first debate, because many people believe That this first debate is going to be their test of whether or not Joe Biden can run, and it will give many Democrats an excuse to find a way to replace him despite the fact it's already way too late.
00:00:55.000I'm kind of leaning towards, you know, for a while I thought they got to get rid of Joe Biden.
00:01:34.000It'll be fun, but before we get started, head over to castbrew.com and buy coffee.
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00:04:27.000But we do have some political conjecture we can talk about.
00:04:30.000This is an article from the New York Post.
00:04:32.000Biden should replace Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton, Washington Post columnist suggests.
00:04:38.000Kathleen Parker, the Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist who weighs in on politics and culture for the Washington Post, said that the 76-year-old former Secretary of State who lost in 2016 would extricate the U.S.
00:05:28.000Parker cited the 81-year-old Biden's steady decline the past few years—steady, it's been exponential recently—which have been made more apparent through his stumbles, his search for words, his occasional blank stare, all of which are now impossible to ignore.
00:05:46.000If your concern is that Joe Biden is incapable, why would you replace Kamala?
00:05:53.000Well because look I mean this is the whole game here right and this is obviously like what this woman I mean I don't know this this might be on like some subconscious level or something like that but they all know they'd like to get Biden out but the big obstacle to that is Kamala Harris which in some move whoever thought of it I'm sure it wasn't Joe Biden but whoever thought of it she was kind of a genius pick in that sense because she kind of insulates him from this like oh we want this guy out because he's clearly in severe cognitive decline but What's waiting in the wings is worse than him.
00:06:24.000So they're even thinking in their head, well, if we could get her out of the way and put Hillary there, obviously at the end of her thought year is Hillary is going to be the nominee, not Joe Biden.
00:06:34.000But so that's the real dilemma that the Democrats have, and they've had it for a while.
00:06:38.000This hits the nail on the head with a hammer.
00:06:40.000So to wrap this all up with a nice little bow, we've talked about how they need to replace Joe Biden.
00:06:51.000If they can swap Kamala right now with some, it's, well, you know, Hillary steps in and Kamala is retiring because something happens, resigning, who knows?
00:07:58.000If they can swap Kamala with Hillary, it's the soft play, the first step.
00:08:03.000They can't remove Joe Biden for Hillary, for Newsom, or for anybody.
00:08:07.000Because Kamala is young and capable of running and she's vice president.
00:08:12.000But if for some reason, and it's still going to be difficult to get rid of Kamala Harris, for sure, but if Kamala says, For some reason, a family issue has come up, which has strained my capabilities.
00:08:24.000You know, Hillary Clinton is asked—I have asked Hillary if she would become—like, then, when Biden goes, It's easy.
00:08:34.000I don't know that this is a boomer strategy, and I don't know that this is the Democratic Party or a refusal to pass down the torch.
00:08:39.000I think it's more Hillary Clinton is banging and screaming on tables being like, it's my turn!
00:08:46.000But aren't those kind of the same thing in a way?
00:08:48.000Like, I think the point Angela's kind of getting at, which is really, it's kind of remarkable that this particular generation of powerful people, you know, like when I was a kid, I'm a 41-year-old dad, and when I was a kid in the Senate,
00:09:04.000we had guys like Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden in the House.
00:09:18.000And so and some of those guys like Chuck Schumer were there before I was 20.
00:09:22.000And so there is something about that generation who, let's be real, none of them were ever very impressive.
00:09:28.000They kind of inherited the United States of America at its peak of power and wealth.
00:09:34.000And they just like simply will not pass the torch.
00:09:37.000So it's not as if Hillary Clinton or the equivalent of Hillary Clinton in a previous generation, it would have been like, well, I had my shot.
00:09:45.000In 2008, I got another shot at it in 2016, obviously didn't work out.
00:09:50.000I'm going to move on to something else.
00:09:52.000Whereas, you know, deep down, she would like that if she had a chance to get it again would jump on it.
00:10:02.000I mean, I think if the Biden organization really wanted to keep their figurehead in power, they would have to pick a VP that countered his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue because
00:10:14.000he's getting no confidence votes basically from a lot of young voters, from older
00:10:18.000progressive Democrats as well, and Hillary Clinton has been, you know, protested out of
00:10:23.000the classroom at Columbia by the same people. I think that would be the only benefit to taking
00:10:28.000out Kamala Harris is if you were to rotate someone in that could potentially appeal to voters
00:11:34.000This is the picture from the Washington Post talking about bringing in Hillary Clinton.
00:11:38.000And I don't know what it is that these affluent white female liberals who work in media don't understand about.
00:11:44.000It's one of the most off-putting things about Hillary Clinton is that she would cackle at the most inappropriate times, not too dissimilar to Kamala Harris, who emulates that behavior.
00:11:54.000But you can look at this picture and Joe Biden is smirking a little bit, relatively neutral kind of face, and she's cackling.
00:12:01.000And, you know, I look at this and I'm wondering, like, What was said that she's busting out laughing like she's heard a Dave Smith comedy routine, but Joe Biden doesn't flinch.
00:12:10.000And so what they do is someone in the Democratic Party told Hillary Clinton and told Kamala Harris, laugh and smile more.
00:12:19.000Because you know Hillary Clinton doesn't laugh when she's in private.
00:12:21.000She's a she's a she's a nasty, evil person.
00:12:25.000She's probably just like frumpy the whole time angry.
00:12:27.000And then as soon as she steps out in public, Her and Kamala have this thing where a reporter will be like, Secretary Clinton, can you comment on the loss of 12 lives in the latest fires that were taking place in Afghanistan?
00:12:49.000Look, both of those people, Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton, if you know a bit about their track record and their past, these are truly vicious people.
00:13:00.000Listen, just a couple examples of this real quick.
00:13:02.000Have you ever heard the tape of Hillary Clinton where she's laughing about getting that child rapist?
00:13:38.000And Kamala Harris, you know, she was like known for, as Tulsi, in that famous moment where Tulsi called her out, she had innocent people on death row, and wouldn't release the evidence, was forced to.
00:13:47.000So, I'm just saying, there is something- She also enslaved people.
00:13:50.000Well, yeah, that's, I mean, what are you talking about, just locking people up for When she kept people in jail beyond their sentences to use them as slave labor to fight fires.
00:14:00.000Well, look, I mean, I would argue that the whole thing is enslaving people and, you know, locking people up for a time and all this stuff.
00:14:07.000But so you're talking about like truly vicious sociopathic women who do have this tendency to like
00:14:13.000whenever they're in front of the camera just be cackling laughing and I think
00:14:17.000there's I'm sure you're right that people told them that but I also think
00:14:20.000there's something of like covering up for that or overcompensating with this
00:14:24.000like bubbly personality. It's like how people laugh when they're eating
00:14:35.000It's like that, except it's like, oh, murder!
00:14:38.000I do want to give a shout out to one of the greatest...
00:14:42.000I don't know if it's a real quote or not, but she was quoted as saying about Julian Assange, can't we just drone this guy?
00:14:49.000And I love it because he was in the Ecuadorian embassy and they had to tell her, Secretary Clinton, he's in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
00:15:36.000Dude, she's like a caricature of a witch.
00:15:38.000It's like Skeksis at the end of The Dark Crystal.
00:15:42.000The thousand-year-old millennial reign of cartoon evil.
00:15:47.000I mean, well, look, they don't have a deep bench.
00:15:50.000And I think one of the issues here—and look, I tweeted this earlier today where I said I'm back to the point where, like, gun to my head, I had to bet I'm betting Biden's not the nominee.
00:16:10.000But I think one of the things that people are overlooking is that this isn't entirely a question of, do they want to pull Joe Biden and put someone else in there?
00:16:22.000But the other question is, is it possible that Joe Biden gives them no choice?
00:16:27.000And that's, I mean, I think fairly likely.
00:16:29.000I think we've almost been, because they've kind of gotten down to a science over the last few years, what cocktail of stuff to give Joe Biden to get him through a speech, to the point where he could go do a State of the Union, and we're all kind of waiting to see, is he going to implode?
00:17:11.000This is, of course, for those who don't know, it's a betting market where what we have here on the screen is who will win the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination.
00:18:22.000The general idea is there is, in the back of people's minds, a decent probabilities chance that Joe Biden will not be the nominee and Gavin Newsom will be.
00:18:30.000So you were mentioning just a moment ago about the cocktail of drugs they have to give Joe Biden to make sure he functions right.
00:18:36.000And I want to shout out one of the best jokes I've heard in a long time.
00:18:38.000I don't know who to credit for it, but they said, CNN announced the debate between Trump and Biden, and the response was, we were about to see the Manhattan Project of psychoactive stimulants.
00:19:18.000You know, I wouldn't be surprised if, and I mean this, this is serious, I'm not joking anymore, he's gonna be asleep early, and for most of the day, and then about one hour before the debate, they will hook him up to an IV, which will have probably painkillers of some sort, caffeine, probably, I would not be surprised if it was modafinil and Adderall, and a vitamin drip, just a cocktail, like you're saying.
00:19:47.000IV drip cocktail right before the debate.
00:19:49.000By the time he's getting out of the car and walking in, he feels like he's 68 again.
00:19:54.000I did the vitamin thing before the national convention.
00:20:24.000Well, I mean, look, it is, if you just go back, if you look at, as I'm sure lots of us have, but if you look at like video of Joe Biden talking in say 2012 and his vice president verse Like, uh, 2020, I mean, it's like a very start, like the fall off is very real.
00:20:43.000And this was one of the major things when he started running for president.
00:20:47.000Um, because you know, he had been out for four years and he hadn't been like super involved in the political scene.
00:20:52.000And when he kind of came out, like he's running again, this like right before COVID in 2019, people were like, Whoa, this guy has really lost a step since then.
00:21:35.000I think it's a big question mark that, like, there's at least a reasonable chance that he does so poorly that the Democrats have no other option than to pull him out and put someone else in.
00:21:47.000The pit trap they're setting for Trump is that Biden is probably going to hammer criminal and civil cases, and Trump will take the bait and be like, It's about me and what you're doing to me and me me up.
00:21:59.000What Trump needs to do is just say, oh, that's that's great, Joe.
00:22:03.000Talk about something Americans don't care about.
00:22:23.000I don't know how coachable Donald Trump is.
00:22:27.000You guys both know him better than me.
00:22:30.000I'm just saying, he's the type of guy that, for better or worse, and there's positives and negatives to it, but I do think Donald Trump, he's largely animated by his sense of self.
00:22:46.000That is a big deal to Donald Trump, and I don't know that he has the ability to, like, Police what he says and what he doesn't say.
00:22:56.000It's part of the thing that people love about Donald Trump.
00:22:58.000He's not, you know, a lot of people in the corporate media, they give Donald Trump, you know, a hard time because they're like, he lies, you know, he's and will count all of his lies, but his lies are always something like.
00:23:26.000So you always know what he's thinking.
00:23:28.000When, I will always cite this, and I want everyone to hear it, because not everybody hears it every time, when he was president, and he's walking, he's at the White House lawn or whatever, the helicopter's going.
00:23:37.000And he's like, it's really great, we're selling all these weapons to Saudi Arabia, it's great for the economy, we're gonna give them more weapons.
00:23:42.000And then all the anti-war left, their jaws at the floor, and they're like, he just admitted it.
00:23:48.000He just came right out and said, this is what we do.
00:23:52.000Remember that time that journalist was like, he tweeted, he's like, I've been working on this story for two years.
00:24:52.000No, no, like, Dave, even if you ended up as the nominee of the Libertarian Party, like, no disrespect, you're not winning.
00:24:56.000Trump actually has done net positive things, as far as I'm concerned, with what a president does, and I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I voted for him in 2020 because I was shocked to find he's the first president to actually start reversing the policies of this militaristic hegemonic expansionism.
00:25:14.000And the North Korea thing was huge to me.
00:25:17.000Like, when I saw Trump do that, I nearly cried.
00:25:20.000Well, look, I mean, the issue is, and I get what you're saying, the issue with Trump is that if the goal here is to drain the swamp, look, to your point, right, about, like, yeah, there's lots of great people, it's just me or Vivek as an example, but like, there's better people than me for sure, but they don't have a viable path to winning.
00:25:42.000And the reason why Donald Trump actually had a viable path to essentially Be a third party candidate who won within one of the major two parties, which he really was.
00:25:51.000He ran as a repudiation of the Bushes as much as the Clintons and the Obamas.
00:25:57.000Part of that was because he was the most famous person.
00:26:03.000But I mean, there really was, it was this incredible mixture of things that if you didn't have all of that, you wouldn't have been able to win.
00:26:10.000But the problem is that in order to Actually drain the swamp, or actually like save this crumbling empire that we're living in.
00:26:19.000You also have to go in with a team of people.
00:26:22.000You have to have the correct appointments at every single important position.
00:27:50.000But Department of Education is really critical.
00:27:54.000Because we may not see it immediately, but 18 to 25 years, they're going to turn off all the little NPC switches and we'll have better people.
00:28:04.000And I think that makes a lot of sense because the Republican administration, the conservative base, completely overlap with the libertarian view of the Department of Education.
00:29:06.000I think Michael Maus's argument is, let them keep exposing themselves.
00:29:11.000I'm sure I'm sure Maus would be happy if there was a good candidate who actually did the right thing.
00:29:16.000But don't count out, don't ignore the positives of the failures of Biden.
00:29:21.000It's a thing that a lot of people have trouble wrapping their head around because it does not... You know, all of us are human beings, and we're all stupid and lazy, and we want to be stupid and lazy.
00:29:34.000Like, that's what we all want, and you have to fight against that.
00:30:15.000Yes, so there are at least, I'm saying it's not always clear, and there at least are some advantages to having Joe Biden and compared to Donald Trump.
00:30:26.000One of those is that Donald Trump energizes your enemies in a way that nobody else does.
00:30:33.000And that's something that I do think should at least be considered into the equation.
00:32:04.000The theory, or one of the working theories, is that the reason the creator of the Silk Road used the moniker Dead Pirate Roberts was the implication that the person who made it would pass it off to someone.
00:32:35.000I'll just say it like this is my attitude toward it.
00:32:38.000If Donald Trump keeps all of those promises, if he's in, that would be great.
00:32:43.000And that would be better than what we'll get under Joe Biden on those issues for sure.
00:32:48.000I do think that as far as like you asking me who I'm going to vote for, I have never been and still am not a huge believer in this kind of the
00:33:21.000I'm not spending two hours to do that.
00:33:22.000You'd be like, yeah, it's a total waste of time.
00:33:24.000I mean, literally call your mom, high five a homeless guy.
00:33:27.000You'll have more of an impact on the world than voting for president, especially if you live in like a deep red or a deep blue state, as I do, and where you already know the outcome of this.
00:33:36.000Your vote essentially is a protest vote anyway at that point.
00:33:40.000To me, what I always see more is like, like my role in all of this is that I just try to tell the truth.
00:33:48.000Like that's what I, I think there are, there's, there's the game of like political calculations and then there's the game of just telling the truth.
00:33:57.000And the more you get into the game of political calculations, the less you have the freedom to just tell the truth about anything you want to.
00:35:22.000in Afghanistan, which a war that he knew was unwinnable, that he ran on ending, so
00:35:26.000a little bit of a mixed bag, but he ultimately did it. But the real issue is that there are – the
00:35:32.000United States of America is like a patient bleeding out with 12 bullet wounds. And to say,
00:35:39.000hey, I put my finger on this one while I actually shot the patient again two more times in these
00:35:46.000other areas is not quite good enough for me. And between – look, the real thing that nobody wants
00:35:51.000to talk about this because it's just not that sexy of an issue and if it wasn't for libertarians,
00:35:55.000it would probably never come up anymore. But government spending is such an important issue
00:36:00.000that we're – we are – Not only are we destroying this country under a mountain of debt that we're passing off to the next generation, but look, this is the corruption.
00:37:11.000And even if it's not even a great position, I really do think that when you have a Libertarian Party prominent personality speaking at a podium for the press corps or whatever, and saying, here's what our plan is, and their name appears on the screen with a big L next to it, that is a massive move in the right direction for this country.
00:37:31.000Yeah, well, I completely agree with that.
00:37:33.000Yeah, and I do agree with you on the bullet holes of the patient.
00:37:37.000I don't know that they're actually I don't know that there's actually a way to save this dying patient.
00:37:48.000The uniparty establishment's worldview is we don't have to save the patient so long as we point guns at everyone else around the world and force them to treat our decaying corpse.
00:38:00.000So we're basically strapped to this medical gurney.
00:38:24.000I look at it a bit more deeply as the results of what a Trump or Trumpian worldview policies result in.
00:38:31.000When I see the Biden administration, Hillary Clinton, Obama, it is We don't produce a lot.
00:38:37.000We're losing manufacturing to China and other countries.
00:38:39.000It has improved a bit in the past couple of years, partly because of Trump.
00:38:42.000Biden's also now stealing Trump policies.
00:38:44.000But the idea was, so long as we maintain the petrodollar through hegemonic power and military bases around the world, we don't need to export anything because we control the printing of the petrodollar.
00:38:54.000And if anyone wants oil, they got to come to us first.
00:39:07.000They are saying no to the petrodollar.
00:39:09.000And now, anyone could have predicted this, the petrodollar deal with Saudi Arabia expired and Saudi Arabia has not re-upped, meaning now they're going to start trading in yuan or rubles or something else.
00:40:12.000And then the United States secure its borders, mind its own business, get sound currency, get jobs and manufacturing back.
00:40:17.000And that direction, for better or for worse, is the Trump direction.
00:40:20.000I have no guarantees that Trump actually makes that happen.
00:40:23.000But that's the, you know, I'm looking at a fork in the road and I see that and I'm like, I'll go that way.
00:40:27.000Yeah, no, listen, I certainly understand the argument.
00:40:30.000I mean, there's a strong case to be made there.
00:40:32.000Look, I guess the real issue is that I just wish that I saw Trump actually making that argument.
00:40:39.000You know, look, Donald Trump, it just seems like, okay, so even earlier in the campaign, I remember It was one of the CNN town halls he did, where he had that very aggressive woman who was asking him questions, if you guys remember this, back from last year.
00:40:55.000And his answer on Ukraine was, like, perfect.
00:40:58.000And she tried to, like, pin him down on it.
00:41:00.000That was the town hall they ended early, right?
00:41:42.000And then at the same time, his criticism of Biden over the war in Israel seems to be that he's like, he goes, in between giving Israel all those bombs, you sent some food to Gaza, you wimp.
00:41:56.000I mean, like, so he's actually kind of making the argument that we should be At least as involved in Ukraine and more involved in the war in Gaza, and that to me does not signal that this guy is actually leading us in a direction where we would be more America first.
00:42:12.000But the crazy thing that's frustrating about it is that I think it would be enormously popular amongst his base, and particularly if you add in Donald Trump's sales ability.
00:42:20.000Like, Donald Trump is the one guy who could convince the entire right half of America No, this is not what we believe in.
00:42:29.000We don't believe in funding proxy wars of choice around the world on behalf of other nations that either have zero strategic vital interest for us or, in the case of Israel, are a clear cost To America.
00:42:44.000That it is clearly against our vital strategic interests.
00:42:47.000Like, why is it that we want to be going down the tubes with Israel's reputation?
00:42:53.000Why do we want to be complicit in this horrific assault?
00:42:55.000Like, call it a genocide or just call it a mass murder campaign.
00:42:58.000Why on earth would we want to piss off not just the entire Muslim world, but now, like, the entire world is condemning what Israel's doing?
00:43:06.000I agree with you on those points, but where I disagree is I don't know that those are immediately disqualifying based on the things he's already done, but they're valid points that should be addressed and brought up to him and anybody who is advocating for him.
00:43:19.000Vivek, I know if you- Angela, text me Trump's number real quick.
00:43:39.000Mike Johnson is all on board with Ukraine funding, and Trump has bragged about working with him.
00:43:43.000And this is, as you mentioned, that I want people to stop dying.
00:43:47.000Our hope is, my hope, and people who have similar feelings to me, because I don't represent all Trump supporters, certainly, is that he's the guy who can simmer down World War III and stop it from happening.
00:43:58.000But if we're getting more funding to Ukrainian troops and Israel, that's the wrong direction.
00:44:14.000And it's like, literally the president is a foreign policy guy who should know what's going on, but I love the response of, we shouldn't care.
00:44:22.000We should be like, look, that's halfway around the world and the American people deserve our focus.
00:44:26.000Well, so, OK, see, I half agree with you, but I'd say in a better world, That would be a totally appropriate answer.
00:44:35.000The problem is when you're running for president in 2016 and for four years your government has been funding a civil war in Syria and you're really supposed to know what Aleppo is because now it actually does really matter to the job.
00:44:48.000And the same thing is like like in my heart of hearts I kind of...
00:44:52.000Maybe not like 100%, but I like 80% agree with you that it's like, I just don't care.
00:44:57.000I don't care about the rest of the world.
00:45:39.000If we're seeing war erupt in Syria, Turkey, Afghanistan, anywhere, we should know about it in case it can expand to any of our interests, which is at home.
00:45:47.000But I don't necessarily agree with, we should care about what's going on now there because of what we did.
00:45:54.000Ron Paul said something really fascinating like 17, 18 years ago, Afghanistan got the wrong prescription, and when you give the wrong prescription you cut it off, you don't keep them on it.
00:46:03.000If a doctor gave, you know, so if the prescription was invasion, what they keep saying is, we can't just leave now, it'll cause too many problems.
00:46:12.000Ron Palsperson was, nope, we leave, and that's it.
00:46:15.000Oh, to be clear, I'm also advocating we leave.
00:48:26.000This is the conspiracy theory that there was a backroom meeting where I'm imagining Dave Smith wearing a nice, finely tailored suit and tie, you wearing this very wonderful pantsuit, and Clint Russell as well, Michael Recktenwald, Termat, Chase Oliver, and you all sat down and said, If Dave Smith is the nominee, it will pull votes from Trump, and Biden will win, and the deep state will be able to secure entrenchment and push out any anti-establishment forces.
00:48:58.000And so a secret plan was hatched where Dave would mysteriously bow out from the race, and the deeply unpopular Chase Oliver will become the nominee to siphon progressive votes from the Democrat, ensuring Trump's victory.
00:49:13.000I mean, it's just like when you tell it like that, I am kind of like, let's go with that story.
00:49:18.000None of it happened, but like, let's just go with that story.
00:49:22.000There is a funny thing in the Libertarian Party, there's like this dynamic where you have kind of like the more culturally left-leaning Libertarians and the more culturally right-leaning Libertarians, broadly speaking, and there is a funny thing where It is very obviously in the interest.
00:49:41.000Like Donald Trump couldn't have gotten a better nominee.
00:49:45.000That's the perfect nominee for Donald Trump.
00:49:47.000And it's the worst thing for like Joe Biden, for Chaser.
00:49:50.000And a more right-leaning libertarian would kind of be the opposite.
00:49:54.000And so there is just a weird irony in all of that.
00:50:01.000There's like conspiracy theories that you literally had it.
00:50:05.000I think that there's an irony that the person, the libertarians who hate Trump very much are supporting the person who will help him the most.
00:50:14.000We are assisting him to win over this voting bloc, because I think your point is interesting, right?
00:50:18.000Joe Biden is not going to the Green Party's situation and trying to win their voters because they're not as influential as libertarians are.
00:50:24.000Well, we've had some, there's been some polling done.
00:50:27.000And 67% of Chase Oliver's current supporters voted for Joe Biden in 2020, and another 11% voted for Howie Hawkins of the Green Party.
00:50:37.000So 78% of Chase Oliver's supporters are... That's right.
00:50:51.000So I have been going and endorsing Chase Oliver on any and every progressive podcast I can get onto, making a very good, compelling argument for why he is the best candidate to end the war in Gaza, talking about how he understands the Federal Reserve and monetary policy better and how that's going to end the wars, and I've just been going very hard for progressives.
00:51:22.000There's another kind of just interesting dynamic with some of the cultural stuff versus the more hardcore policy stuff, but the truth is that Chase is I don't know the guy very well.
00:51:37.000I've only met him a couple times, but I would say probably great on war, on guns, on taxes, on money, on spending.
00:51:46.000I mean, like, issues that I bet all of us would probably see very eye-to-eye on.
00:51:50.000There is just this weird cultural component of things where, like, What's bizarre is even amongst anti-war leftists, there's anti-war leftists who I love.
00:52:28.000But Chase kind of carries a lot of that cultural baggage.
00:52:30.000And I do think for a lot of us, and this to me is kind of bigger than libertarianism, to be honest, is that it's just like, if you're okay with this, Like, if you're okay with child abuse, that's a deal-breaker for me.
00:52:57.000So I would say this, that I would I would say that the libertarian position kind of is that,
00:53:05.000like, businesses can do what businesses want to do.
00:53:08.000However, if you're talking about vaccine mandates, like private vaccine mandates in, say, 2021,
00:53:15.000where there has been the biggest assault on liberty in American history on this wide of
00:53:22.000a scale has just occurred by government fiat, then the government has come in and created
00:53:29.000the, or let's say funded the creation of this experimental vaccine and shielded these big
00:53:36.000pharmaceutical companies from any liability.
00:53:39.000While they're not shielded from the profit, They get to rake in all the... No, but I'm just saying, and in this context, right, after all of the government propaganda outlets are lying through their teeth to push this vaccine on everybody, and then, in those circumstances, a business decides to mandate the vaccine to everybody, I don't think the libertarian comment on that situation should be, that's their right to do that.
00:54:02.000The libertarian comment on that should be like, this is a giant statist operation that is totally antithetical to the free society that we want to live in.
00:54:11.000And so when a libertarian just comes out, now in pure libertarian land, a private business should be able to do whatever they want with their private business.
00:54:19.000But that's not what we're talking about.
00:54:34.000When culture shatters, and I think this is the big push of multiculturalism, because this is what this does, you then end up in a situation where You have basically large statist operations where everyone falls in line and marches in lockstep.
00:54:48.000If you had a strong culture that had moral lines and lines in principle, and there's a difference, but if everybody agreed—Michael Maus had a great quote the other day.
00:54:58.000I'm actually going to pull up his quote.
00:55:01.000I think it should be culturally unacceptable.
00:55:04.000And so that's something you can't just make happen, right?
00:55:39.000I like to cite Seamus Coghlan in that if everyone in the world had the same worldview as Seamus Coghlan, you would need no police, there would be no crime, there would be peace and harmony and no theft, and that's because his moral framework does not stand for those things.
00:55:58.000The issue is that everyone has a different worldview, and then you'll just end up with people who are like, I don't know, you don't care about you, your views are bad to me and my views are bad to you.
00:56:10.000And so that's ultimately where we're at right now as it pertains to... I lost my train of thought.
00:56:16.000You're talking about the Ron Paul culture versus... Right, right, right.
00:56:41.000Uh, but yeah, short of that, when it comes to, uh, my view is, in the long term, agreed.
00:56:47.000The long term goal should be, you don't need to mandate businesses do anything, you don't need to put restrictions on them, you don't need civil rights law because businesses do the right thing.
00:56:55.000Right now, they don't, and so my view is, During the... I don't remember when Chase Oliver tweeted this, but he said, I believe private businesses should do whatever they want, but government should not be allowed to.
00:57:07.000I said, hey, that's a pro-vaccine mandate stance.
00:57:10.000Because what people need to understand about the mandates for employees, for performers, it was all done privately.
00:57:17.000Not literally all of it, but the bulk of it.
00:57:32.000And of course, there were during the reign of the vaccine passports, there was like in major cities across the country, it was actually the law of the land.
00:57:40.000That if you were a building you had to, you know, be vaccinated in order to enter the building.
00:57:45.000I think, look, one of the major reasons why I am a libertarian, this is one of the very major reasons why I'm a libertarian, as opposed to being some other flavor of kind of like right-wing dissident, is that I do think that libertarianism in general offers solutions that get to the core of the issue, whereas a lot of times just kind of reactionary right-wing policies are very surface level.
00:58:10.000And so, listen, there is something very surface level where you have the government locks down the country, or the government declares a state of emergency, locks down the country, prints six trillion dollars in a year, destroys the value of the dollar, has all of these awful policies.
00:58:25.000Then, by the way, the government stands down and allows rioters to riot through the summer.
00:58:30.000Then the government funds developing this vaccine, then shields these companies from liability, gives them immunity, all of this, right?
00:58:39.000And then there's like a private business who's mandating it.
00:58:44.000And it's very tempting to come in and go, we just need a little bit more government power in order to say that business can't do that.
00:58:50.000But I'm just saying, if you really want to get at the heart of this beast, it's to get rid of all this government involvement that created this whole mess.
00:58:57.000That the issue then is it's always about culture because laws written down don't matter.
00:59:02.000That's why me and you are talking in microphones instead of running for Congress.
00:59:13.000And the issue I take with a lot of libertarians is that And I know it's going to be very offensive to a lot of libertarians, but they share an emotional trait with communists in the overly idealistic approach to how things get taken care of.
00:59:26.000So my view is... Well, in the sense that, like, there's...
00:59:32.000Idealists amongst libertarians and communists, sure, but like there's a pretty big difference.
00:59:37.000Some of us are willing to do the crappy work so that the rest of you can still be idealists and cling, you know, tightly to every single ideological position.
00:59:50.000The libertarian party's position, I shouldn't say the whole party, but the members of the party who hold the open borders position, is a good example of the faction of people who are idealists and not realists.
00:59:59.000So when I saw, you know, Chase Oliver win, despite all these positions, and the people who were cheering and booing, I gotta admit it, I loved, I forgot the guy's name, who said he was a doctor, and he had prescribed vaccines, and he got booed by everybody.
01:00:13.000My response to that was like, I'm sitting in the back of the room as the debate's happening, and I was like, this guy's a libertarian.
01:00:20.000Who believes there should be no mandate, who has first-hand experience, and he's telling you his experience, and you're booing him for it.
01:00:31.000I'm like, you read something on the news in your circle that asserted something as fact, that you believe and trust.
01:00:37.000Here's a guy who says the mandates are wrong, but here was my experience, so you boo.
01:00:43.000The idealists in the Libertarian Party, an overly idealistic party.
01:00:46.000What do the Democrats and the Republicans do?
01:00:48.000The Democrats come out and they say, what does our base want?
01:00:53.000And they go, these are the really popular positions right now.
01:00:56.000And then Democrats and Republicans will release their party platform, trying to focus on the core issues that affect the nation, which is why they dominate.
01:01:03.000The Libertarians say, we don't care about none of that.
01:01:06.000We care about our ideals, which is fine.
01:01:08.000But when you have immigration as the number two issue, according to Gallup, among voters, and a good portion of the Libertarian Party is like, open borders, Ellis Island model, and they nominate the guy who says, let him come in.
01:01:21.000Well, I'll say to Chase's defense, he did say Ellis Island, at least not straight open borders.
01:01:28.000I mean I guess technically you had to like pass a screening or something like that but yes it's technically our borders are not all completely open they say yes we don't exactly have but he has a video was at the border saying they should be allowed to walk in and then come here and work and live that is open borders yeah okay sure I'm not gonna fight you on that let me just I think there's a couple things that need to almost be separated here right so the the idea of being idealistic I think is fine and I think is good and I actually think
01:01:59.000more people should, we should demand more out of our system than we currently get. I think open
01:02:04.000borders, and I've gotten in a lot of arguments with open borders libertarians, I think is wrong
01:02:12.000in theory, not just a disaster that it would be in practice, but I think it's like it's a totally
01:02:18.000wrong theory to deduce from libertarianism that there should be open borders.
01:02:24.000There's been a lot of great libertarian thinkers who have written on this, but just in short, the idea of like Okay, libertarianism essentially is about property rights and the non-aggression principle, and self-ownership.
01:02:38.000Now, if you believe in that, then essentially what libertarianism you could deduce from that would be that, Tim, you own this building.
01:02:46.000Anyone who you invite to this building You have a right to come to this building.
01:02:51.000So in a sense, you could say anyone who America invites into this country has a right to come.
01:02:56.000But the idea that you can deduce from property rights that masses of uninvited people just have a right to come here, even if the domestic population does not want them to come, that is just bonkers.
01:03:53.000Karen Ann says, well, the people were coerced into paying for it, effectively.
01:03:56.000I hate quoting people because I may misquote her, but I believe her position was, there are people who live there who did not want that painted.
01:04:04.000My response is, if you do not vote, if you have a system in place where we all agree, okay, if you have a city council, we vote for city council.
01:04:12.000If you do not go out and do your work to knock on doors to register voters and vote, and an opposing political faction gains control, And then, through the system you agreed upon, and you live here, decides to paint the street that is in accordance with your social agreements with your neighbors.
01:04:38.000The argument being made by her and many libertarians is, the community, the jurisdiction can't force you to pay for something they want to do.
01:04:49.000The reason why I call that communist is, Here's how I view it.
01:05:03.000But whenever someone's moving in, we say, hey, just so you know, every Friday night, everybody puts in 10 bucks because we have pizza and wings.
01:05:11.000Well, one day there's a kid, it's been 20 years, he's 18, and he moves in and he goes, I don't think it's fair.
01:05:34.000I'm not going to convince anybody not to do it.
01:05:35.000I'm just going to say outright, I shouldn't have to.
01:05:37.000And I'm like, okay, now you're in my house telling me what I have to do outside of the norms of society.
01:05:44.000There's this view among many libertarians, the open border libertarians, and this is sort of to your point, that our jurisdictions don't matter.
01:05:52.000That community isn't allowed to make pacts with each other.
01:05:57.000I don't care if it's a government or a private organization.
01:06:02.000And if someone comes into my organization, whether it's, you know, me and my neighbors formed a neighborhood watch or a pact, and we all agree on these terms, Everyone agreed this is how we're going to vote, and then someone doesn't like it, and now all of a sudden they're saying they don't have to be involved in it, even though we agreed?
01:06:18.000And so, a communal jurisdiction, like a community like Huntington, West Virginia, yes, there's a lot of people there who were upset they lived there, and they didn't like that it happened.
01:06:49.000The problem is not that you were coerced by your small community into paying taxes to fund a street painting, it's that nobody does the work and then complains that the people who did can control the coffers.
01:07:00.000Well, I mean, look, I certainly think that...
01:07:03.000This is one of the problems of government in general, is that it is an instrument of
01:07:12.000force and there are winners and losers within that game.
01:07:15.000But so I think the ultimate libertarian answer is you privatize this stuff and then it solves
01:07:59.000What's the difference between A private house deciding we're going to have, we're going to spend money in a certain way and a community of a thousand people doing the same thing.
01:08:09.000Well, well, look, okay, so the, the difference is between volunteer, uh, voluntary interaction or forced interaction.
01:08:16.000It's what's the difference between making love or rape.
01:08:19.000I mean, it could be the same action, but the difference is whether people consented or not.
01:08:23.000And, and to that, like to your example, right?
01:08:26.000Like of making rules in a house that is a voluntary, like, interaction. If I was but how is how is hunting some level
01:08:34.000of not? Well, because look, because look, if there's people in in this community who don't wish
01:08:42.000to fund the public roads, they don't have a choice. So they're forced to. That's true.
01:09:07.000But if you agreed, then you just answered the question how it's voluntary.
01:09:12.000The question is, when I'm in my house, I'm not in your house, and I'm not in your house, and I'm in my house with my own rules, and now you're going to say, okay, we're taking a percentage of your income to fund something you don't want to fund.
01:09:24.000I still disagree, because you are afforded many great benefits and privileges that you did not ask for, that you pay for, and I would assume that Uh, most people... Well, like, what do you mean?
01:09:36.000Where do you draw the line on getting to say no?
01:09:39.000The real challenge with what's going on... What did you mean by, like, benefits and privileges?
01:11:04.000The one thing I do want to add, without getting too personal, is there's a difference between paying taxes for things that are a rip-off and being a net taxpayer.
01:11:12.000The overwhelming majority of Americans are not net taxpayers.
01:11:20.000I certainly would prefer to live in a world where I have my home, I have my property, and any money they want to take from me, they've got to ask for first.
01:11:27.000I do not consent to the bombing of children in these foreign countries.
01:11:30.000I do not consent to the funding of Israel so they can be involved in their war with Gaza, regardless of your moral stance on it, or Ukraine.
01:11:37.000That is all wrong, and so I will scream to the high heavens every night on the show, I will advocate as much as I can.
01:11:42.000Foreign policy has always been the bigger issue for me, and that's why I think the president matters, because foreign policy is his domain.
01:11:48.000Congress should be declaring wars, and the president should be allowed to get involved in wars, so I want a president who's going to do the inverse and stop these things.
01:11:59.000We're all born in this country where we stand on the shoulders of giants.
01:12:03.000The roads that have been paved, the mountains that have been bore through, the bridges that have been built that simply exist whether we pay anything or not.
01:12:11.000You can be a destitute homeless man who has zero income and you can freely walk across large 200 million dollar bridges that connect places that you'd have never been able to get to before.
01:12:23.000And you say, but I never asked for it.
01:12:26.000So the challenge is not, it's a combination of things, I shouldn't say not, the expansion of human jurisdiction and the size of population makes it impossible for you to just decide to go live in the woods.
01:13:16.000And so the challenge we're in is, the system has become so large, we are born into benefits which we do receive in a system that expects us to keep paying into it to maintain all of these things in some way, and many people don't agree to live that way.
01:13:33.000It is difficult, but you can still go to an uninhabited island and homestead there and mostly be left alone, and then you will be excised from all the modern benefits of society.
01:14:08.000men and women have worked really hard to create that we inherit the benefit of.
01:14:12.000But then when you get that, there's the beauty of like the free market and a society.
01:14:17.000If you want to make anything for yourself, Like, you gotta go provide value to everybody else in order to do that, whether that's getting a job or selling a product or whatever it might be.
01:14:28.000But look, as far as, like, what the government gives you, in the same sense that, like, I think, you know, like, if I took your logic all the way to its most absurd conclusion or something like that, if you were to, like, kidnap someone and lock them in their basement and then every day go get him a Happy Meal from McDonald's or something, you can't just sit there and be like, Well, listen, I'm justified because you do get some stuff from me.
01:14:50.000You know, I got you a new pair of jeans and a Happy Meal, so I'm justified in taking your liberty.
01:15:04.000If all of these things that you're talking about, like let's say the services from government that you do benefit from, theoretically, make the whole thing voluntary, we'll find out real quickly what people benefit from and what they don't.
01:15:24.000That might be a mechanism to get us closer to that.
01:15:26.000And I do think that, look, I mean, as much as it is, you know, it's very demonized now, looking back at the past, that the framers' plan was that only white male landowners would get to vote.
01:15:39.000And I certainly understand the racial objections to that.
01:15:43.000But you could at least understand Where, from the founder's point of view, they were like, well, obviously everyone can't just vote.
01:15:54.000Well, like, if you don't own land, then obviously they're just going to vote other people's stuff away, and then we'll all be poor.
01:16:00.000And so, yeah, there's something to that.
01:16:03.000Net taxpayer voting means that only people who are paying, obviously, are going to affect what gets paid for.
01:16:10.000And so right now, I'll tell you one big issue I have, right?
01:16:14.000So Democrats really want women in the draft and Conservatives really do not.
01:16:18.000And I'm just kind of like, Conservatives are taking this very progressive position and Democrats are taking this very progressive, they're both progressive positions.
01:16:26.000The Republican position is that women should be afforded all the rights and privileges of society and authority without civic responsibility.
01:16:33.000And Democrats are arguing men and women are the same.
01:16:35.000They're both very progressive positions.
01:16:38.000So, you know, if you go back to the suffrage movement, one thing that's lost in the conversation is that it only passed 19th Amendment because a deal was cut where women would not have to assume civic responsibility and would get the right to vote regardless.
01:17:41.000Hundreds of billions of dollars pumped into that war machine, which is inching us towards a World War III where they may very well have to draft people.
01:17:47.000And it is predominantly liberal women.
01:17:49.000The Democratic Party is overwhelmingly female.
01:17:51.000Two-thirds of millennial women are voting to go have men die in war.
01:17:58.000And it's particularly like single childless women if you break down the demographics.
01:18:04.000To your point, when the Founding Fathers are like, you gotta own property to vote because otherwise people will just vote away other people's stuff, I am not surprised the Democratic Party overwhelmingly favors funding of war when it has shifted so heavily into female territory where there's no consequences for the women who vote for it.
01:18:35.000Congress keeps inching towards preparing Selective Service for a mass draft.
01:18:40.000With the move from the Armed Services Committee to include women in the draft, you know, anyone who thinks they're not getting ready for a draft is not paying attention.
01:18:57.000Well, it was not negotiated very well on the other end.
01:19:00.000I would say it was negotiated very well for women.
01:19:03.000So my view is, I talked with Vivek about this, either in order to vote, you have to sign up for selective service by choice, and you don't have to.
01:19:32.000I hope that that would reduce our tax burden too.
01:19:35.000And I'll just add real quick, if a war came to these shores, and I was asked to defend the Constitution, I don't like the Democrats or the Uniparty, but if it was about the core of this nation, I would vote yes, and I would gladly, gladly accept the consequences of what that means, volunteering to be active in that, in whatever way I could serve to defend this country.
01:19:55.000There's no, I would never support a war that I wasn't willing to fight in myself.
01:20:01.000There's not, I mean, and I don't know, that's just like, especially since Since having kids, especially, because it's just like, I feel like an obligation of like, like, I can't die because I got little kids, right?
01:20:11.000You know, it's like, I kind of felt different when I was like, single, where it's like, I don't know, something happens to me, it happens to me.
01:20:16.000But now I'm like, I can't, I can't at least for a few more years, I got to like, see these kids.
01:20:20.000If you look at the senator and congressman who are voting for war, go through any of their children are enlisted.
01:21:46.000And, you know, I think he called them takers or something like that.
01:21:50.000And then they were like, oh, you're saying people on social security are takers and it got into that.
01:21:54.000But there was a real point that he was making there, which is that there's a huge portion of the electorate who are like living off the dole.
01:22:01.000Here's the progression of the American electorate, very easily explained.
01:22:56.000I think based on today's data, where voting is now, it looks like it will.
01:23:01.000But if you allow families to actually take the time off to go and vote, you will get more mothers and fathers voting and more hardworking Americans voting.
01:24:26.000I'll make one quick point before we jump to a last segment I want to squeeze in.
01:24:29.000When it comes to the media, the women who are writing these articles about feminism and the goals of women, they are single, childless women.
01:26:46.000Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary.
01:26:51.000I'm not sure I'm going to introduce you all the way.
01:26:55.000But all kidding aside, Secretary Mayorkas— Dude, the fact that he goes, but all kidding aside, and that a couple people just uncomfortably chuckle, like, they have to pretend that was a joke?
01:27:17.000I hope we get lots and lots more of him.
01:27:20.000I'm feeling inspired, but maybe not the way... I'm a little nervous about the replacement theory we talked about earlier, because I really would like it to stay the way it is.
01:27:30.000Because I'm planning on renewing my attempt to file conservatorship over Biden after the Democratic National Convention.
01:27:37.000Are you actually going to file conservatorship?
01:27:52.000You know, Matt Walsh was gloating over this because he was saying like, all these people are screaming free Britney and he's like, the woman's clearly sick.
01:27:59.000And, you know, and then they freed her and now she's planking knives.
01:28:05.000Well, that's one W for Matt on that one, I'll say.
01:28:07.000Actually, I think it's fine because she was enslaved by her father doing shows and it was gross.
01:28:13.000Yeah, look, I think there was a lot of, like, sketchy stuff going on there, and she clearly doesn't have some great people around her.
01:28:20.000However, I do think that that... Look, I don't know that much about the details of Britney Spears' story, so I'm kind of speaking... You followed every single detail.
01:28:28.000I don't know much, but on the third day of the hearing... But I will say that I did immediately, when I heard about the story, and everyone's like, free Britney, this is evil, she's a slave, essentially, you're like, listen, a judge saw something.
01:28:43.000That led this judge to create this conservative shit.
01:28:46.000I'm just saying, there was probably a shrink involved who was like, this chick is crazy and she can't be on her own.
01:28:54.000So I just tweeted, hashtag Free Biden.
01:29:49.000Donald Trump will give a flower to a small child, and then everyone will share the video, and then Snopes and NBC will say, fact check, did Donald Trump give a flower to a small child dot dot dot on Sunday morning?
01:30:04.000Trump did not give a flower to a child on Sunday morning.
01:30:08.000They'll write a thousand words, and the very bottom will say, well, he did give a flower to a child on Saturday morning, it was not Sunday.
01:30:38.000And the other world leaders immediately start looking at each other and then start moving towards him and then the Italian Prime Minister grabs him to pull him back.
01:30:47.000He's supposed to be here with the other world leaders paying attention to the presentation and he wanders off to give a thumbs up to some other guys.
01:30:56.000Now what they're doing is they're claiming that our claim was that he was doing nothing.
01:31:01.000That he just walked away for no reason.
01:31:03.000And now we've debunked that because there were people there.
01:31:04.000And we're like, no, we know there were people there.
01:31:07.000He got distracted like a child and walked away from what the crowd was focused on.
01:31:11.000He seemingly forgot that they were all supposed to be doing something altogether.
01:31:26.000I can't remember exactly how they did it, but they basically just did like what you said, where they change what the claim is.
01:31:33.000They go, the claim is Hillary Clinton was laughing at the girl, but she was actually laughing at how ridiculous... And you're like, no, that was never the claim.
01:31:41.000The point is that she's retelling the story and finds it amusing when you'd think you would be like horrified.
01:31:47.000You're, you're discussing the torture of a 12 year old with a smile on your face.
01:31:52.000I will say, this is my concern about this cheap fake thing, because at first you kind of look at it and it's the first impulse is almost like make fun of it.
01:32:00.000You're like, OK, this is really what you're going to claim.
01:32:02.000You're going to claim that actual videos are still deep fakes or you're going to you're going to try to your propaganda line is what that right wingers have made up that Joe Biden's in severe mental decline, that that's not something we can all see in front of our face.
01:32:16.000This is what actually creeps me out about this, though.
01:32:19.000And I'd say that this is something we know very intimately from what we do right now, this exact moment.
01:32:25.000June of 2024 is actually not very bad censorship wise compared to where we've been in the last
01:32:44.000And if you wanted to talk in 2020 about being against the lockdowns or being against the
01:32:49.000COVID regime or anything like that, you were risking censorship.
01:32:53.000If you wanted to talk about, say, people who have been injured by a pharmaceutical product in the year 2021, 2022, you were risking a lot more.
01:33:03.000We still have to live, obviously, with, like, the YouTube terms of service or the iTunes or whatever it may be, which, by the way, I know me and you both wish we lived in a world with none of that, but You gotta play the game.
01:33:14.000We can say the election was stolen now.
01:33:27.000And that we're going to see a ramp up in this.
01:33:29.000And so what I think is that things like this are little trial balloons of kind of like feelers of like, oh by the way, you know what might be grounds for getting you kicked off YouTube?
01:33:39.000You know what might be grounds for getting you kicked off Instagram or Facebook is if you had a cheap fake, which, by the way, means any video of Joe Biden obviously being in severe mental decline.
01:34:04.000It's like you can't even make memes because the memes are deceptive.
01:34:07.000Well, the thing is that they are, and this is why they were so furious with Elon Musk, is that the powerful people in this country are convinced that they can't win a fair fight.
01:34:54.000Democrats are just like, what are the rules?
01:34:56.000So, an example of this is, when you're playing Texas Hold'em poker, and you get to what's called showdown, it's the end, everyone shows their cards, and whoever has the better hand wins.
01:35:07.000There's a move that deceptive, dishonorable people do, where, at a table, if you're all being friendly with each other, when it comes to showdown, sometimes you don't want to show your hand because you don't want to reveal information about how you play.
01:36:11.000They're making moves behind the scenes that are technically not against the rules, ballot harvesting in states where it's legal, universal mail-in voting, and Republicans think that they're playing an honest game where they're trying to convince their opponents.
01:36:28.000So in 2020, they're like, all the Republicans, myself included, we were like, not as a Republican, but as a Trump voter, because I don't like the Republican Party.
01:36:35.000We were all like, we clearly won the argument.
01:36:37.000Donald Trump has done some bad things.
01:36:52.000He won the bellwether counties, but Biden still won somehow because Democrats were playing a totally different game where they were like, we don't have to quote unquote cheat.
01:37:03.000We just have to play the game that is dishonorable, and that's what they do.
01:37:06.000Well, I will be playing a very different game in 2024.
01:37:22.000They told us that we had been compromised by a hostile foreign government.
01:37:27.000So I filed a FOIA request immediately.
01:37:29.000This happened right before the convention.
01:37:30.000I filed a FOIA request and they came back and said, no, you don't get any documentation beyond what we've said, because you're still under investigation.
01:38:03.000When we pressed and said, we need to know who's logged in and out, you know, we're changing our passwords and doing all of our IT safety checks, they said, talk to the FBI, my friend.
01:38:12.000The FBI said, we'll tell you nothing because we're the government and trust us.
01:39:00.000Well, that's the funny thing, by the way.
01:39:02.000I mean, like the joke I was making, but like how much I've just gotten called, like, you must be a Putin supporter, a Hamas supporter or whatever.
01:39:08.000And you're like, you know, I don't have to support a foreign government to hate my own government.
01:39:13.000Like, I could just be against, like, what the criminals in DC do.
01:39:17.000It doesn't mean I'm for them any more than I was for Saddam Hussein.
01:39:20.000It just bums me out because America's, like, so awesome, but we have this, like, it's like a brain slug attached to our head.
01:39:30.000Well, look, I mean, there's there is something about that, though, right?
01:39:33.000That it's like, this is It's ultimately why a lot of libertarians embrace anarchism.
01:39:39.000It's that there's this problem that we kind of found through running the experiment of the United States of America, right?
01:39:46.000Where the whole story is that America is the smallest, most limited, constitutionally constricted government of all time.
01:39:55.000And this produces the wealthiest society that's ever existed.
01:39:58.000And then, because the society is so wealthy, the government can just leech right off that.
01:40:03.000And then, now at this point, we have the biggest government in the history of the world.
01:40:06.000I feel like an elephant, and I just feel like I'm following it with a shovel.
01:40:10.000That is the role of the LP in this election.
01:40:13.000There's a video, I don't know if you've ever seen, but you'll want to share with the entirety of the Libertarian Party, where this guy, was it Gray?
01:40:20.000Gray Plays Games or whatever, Serge, do you know this one?
01:40:22.000There's a guy who plays video games and there's a game, I think it's called City State.
01:40:27.000It's been a while since we talked about this.
01:41:19.000The amount, and this is kind of like what we were getting at before, even if there are some services that the government provides, which are, and like, I agree with you, like, there are some services, particularly my local government provides that are like, they're okay.
01:41:31.000They're never great, but they're okay.
01:41:35.000But for how much it costs you, like the trade-off is not even close.
01:41:40.000And it's when you really start to scale it up and think about it, it is, I mean, The amount of wealth that is extracted from the productive sectors of society into literally blowing up a bridge to then rebuild the bridge in Damascus or in, maybe not in Damascus, but in wherever Fallujah or something like that.
01:42:17.000I do want to loop back to the FBI story because I think this should be, like, massively circulated among Libertarians and Trump supporters, especially with the nomination of Chase Oliver, who is deeply unpopular with, I would assume, is the majority of the Libertarian Party who voted in Mises' caucus.
01:42:38.000This is big and I think we need to stress this and make sure everybody puts a sticky note because I think the play is going to be that the Libertarian Party was compromised to put a progressive in who would pull votes from Biden as a spoiler candidate and Russia got...
01:43:17.000I would not be surprised if they make a move where they're like, we, you know, this is not a two-party, we're not, you know, it's unintentionally two-party, but because of Russian interference, these third parties need to be vetted by the FBI.
01:44:42.000But like, you know, I do think A lot of times, especially, because we all create our own little bubbles these days, and we all are in a bubble of talking about politics all the time and hyper-focusing on it, and it's very easy to get removed from the fact that that is just not the reality for 95% of voters.
01:45:06.000And 95% of voters just don't think about this as much as we do.
01:45:21.000If you want to explain why Bobby is doing so well with Democratic voters, I do think a lot of it comes down to the fact that there's a whole lot of Democratic voters who go, I think the Democrats have gone a little bit crazy as of late, and they are attached to that name.
01:45:37.000People do not understand how much value that name still holds.
01:45:43.000After every election, viewership and revenue on political shows drops dramatically for obvious reasons.
01:45:56.000People are tired, they're burned out, and they're just like, I'm over it, I don't hear about it anymore.
01:46:01.000Politicians are dumping money into ad campaigns, so revenue starts going way, way up, and by the end of this year, Ad rates for political channels will be like two or three times higher than the average.
01:46:12.000Everyone else will get a little bump as well because it's multi-billion dollars.
01:46:16.000The question then becomes, as we as a company are budgeting out for how many people we can hire, what we can build, we got to make sure that we have enough money left over.
01:46:24.000And so the concern is, well, don't forget...
01:46:27.000Come December, we are going to see... December will be... December, on presidential election cycles, is a massive burst of money.
01:46:36.000Every December, companies will dump their advertising budgets.
01:46:40.000They get a budget for the year or for the quarter, and they say, if we don't spend it now, we're going to lose it.
01:48:55.000You go, yeah, obviously they were never going to trust this thing.
01:48:58.000And I think that's the same now, but for both sides, you know, it's like, I think if Donald Trump wins, the Democrats are going to think it's illegitimate.
01:49:05.000If, if Biden or whoever it is wins, the Trump supporters are going to say it's illegitimate.
01:49:09.000And I just think this circus is going to continue on would be my guess.
01:49:26.000That members-only call-in show will be up in about 12 minutes where you get to call in, talk to us and our guests, but we will grab Super Chats.
01:50:36.000That is the narrative and it is probably the truth.
01:50:39.000Well, can I just say that, like, look, I understand, there's always an argument about whether you should be involved in a third party under a system that's rigged for two parties, you know, like, and I get that, and we, me and Angela have lots of great libertarian friends who are Republicans who do, like, incredible stuff there.
01:50:55.000There's Eric Brakey and Tho Bishop and some of these guys who are, I love these guys to death.
01:51:00.000There's a debate, I've had this debate with people before, and there's arguments on both sides, but can you really just, like, Could you just sit here and say, given the state of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, given the state of the trajectory of this country, you can't admit that, like, there's an argument that maybe we should try something else here?
01:51:19.000Maybe we should try something that can shake this up?
01:51:23.000Have a home for people who have a different view of what type of society we should be living in?
01:51:27.000And in this experiment that we've been really, I mean Angela's been in the party longer than I have, but since the kind of Mises caucus takeover of this thing and Angela being the chair, it's at least made the party, undeniably, more relevant and in the current cultural conversation than ever in its history.
01:52:00.000If you want to see Ross Ulbrich freed and out of prison, you should support the Libertarian Party, even if you don't support our presidential candidate.
01:52:07.000If you want to see Julian Assange freed, Definitely support us.
01:52:39.000One of the major problems that you have in politics is that when elections come, and it's an election year, people get super tribal, and they get super behind their guy.
01:52:54.000It's like, hey, you know, I said, I tweeted the other day, I find this really interesting, but I tweeted, I said, Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump, and it's not even close.
01:53:05.000Now, this tweet blew up and kind of went a little viral, and there were all these Trump supporters who were so angry at me for saying it, and they go, why would you say that now?
01:53:14.000He's not running for president, so like, why are you taking shots at Trump when he's the Amer- and it's kind of, to me, the way my mentality works, it's like, why say it?
01:53:46.000We're in a political game and we're trying to win.
01:53:48.000But all I'm saying is- But you're not even critical of him.
01:53:50.000Well, look, I'm just saying the problem with that mentality is that, look, It's only really once every four years that these guys need anything from you.
01:54:02.000Right now they need something from you.
01:54:06.000Once they get in there, Trump's like, this is second term.
01:54:08.000He doesn't need anything from you anymore.
01:54:10.000So right now should actually be the time when say Trump supporters who are 100% going to vote for Trump right now should be the moment that they're like, but you better be America first.
01:54:20.000You better only put America first, people in your cabinet.
01:54:22.000Like, hey, I'm a loyal Trump-supporting Republican, but if I smell Mike Pompeo around this goddamn administration, I'm bailing on this thing.
01:54:30.000You see, this is the time when you should actually—yet none of the Trump supporters are doing that.
01:54:35.000None of the Biden supporters are doing that.
01:54:37.000They're just blindly following—and Angela's kind of the only one who's at least found a way to get him to, like, make some promises that you're going to do some things better in this next go-around.
01:54:46.000One of the things that I thought was really interesting when Haley, it was before South Carolina, she was saying, I'm not going to drop out because if I did, it would be the longest general election in American history.
01:54:53.000And I actually thought that would have been good for this MAGA America First movement because they could have spent every day being like, Trump, you need to tell us exactly who you're going to put in your cabinet.
01:55:02.000We need to know who's going to be in your administration if we're going forward.
01:55:05.000Because we kind of know what the policies are going to be.
01:55:08.000There might be some issues, like again, with the Department of Education or with the Ross Sullivan protest, that you need a specific answer on.
01:55:14.000But they also need to know who is around him, because that was one of the biggest criticisms of Trump last time, that he staffed poorly.
01:56:16.000I was like, he's going to be the true winner because a lot of people, I respect that a lot of Libertarians are going to be like, no, no, I'm for the party, but I'm going to vote for Trump.
01:56:27.000I just thought it was funny because being there at the convention, as you were, Tim, and obviously you were, Angela, There's just this dynamic where a lot of the kind of freakier members of the LPA who were like booing Trump like a bunch of college leftists when he spoke.
01:56:45.000They were hysterical booing Trump and then turned around and voted for Chase and you were like, you realize how much better that is for him than a standing ovation?
01:56:56.000Like you could have just not booed and just clapped and just loved everything he had to say and that wouldn't have helped him nearly as much.
01:57:03.000Trust me, a lot of grief as I set that thing up.
01:57:16.000Yeah, well, they didn't have any clue what was going to happen.
01:57:19.000Really, what happened was that the corporate media actually gave us some kind of cool headlines Because they were just trying to make Trump look bad, and they were like, the Libertarians are so critical of Donald Trump.
01:57:29.000But what happened was that the more right-wing online media, they had actual, like, video from the room.
01:57:36.000And then you were like, oh, that doesn't look so great.
01:59:01.000That was like one of these crazy internet moments, you know, where it's like you got to kind of see You know, like, just how much their argument collapsed on itself, like, as they started presenting it.
01:59:12.000And you're like, dude, you're contradicting the thing you said one second ago.
01:59:16.000Like, oh, we don't have a political view on transgenders.
01:59:19.000And you're like, but you could ban someone if they deadname someone.
01:59:22.000And they're like, well, yeah, of course you could.
01:59:23.000And you're like, that's a political view!
01:59:25.000And it was kind of a moment like that where you just get to see, like, some comedian podcaster go up against the guy who just a few years ago was the number one show on CNN while I was like one of these guys on the internet railing against all the COVID restrictions and to just see how much it's like yeah they've got nothing they just have nothing.
01:59:44.000The veil drops and it's like incompetence.
01:59:46.000Yes yes like like it's just you can't believe how unimpressive they are.
01:59:51.000I love that my friends don't think CNN anything on CNN is news that was that was a That was a grand slam.
01:59:57.000Yeah, I was a little bit of a dick for that one, but that was fun.
02:00:12.000Yeah, I would have been ice cold, but I didn't do it.
02:00:15.000I'm going to read one last Super Chat here.
02:00:19.000RaviSkate1 says, Tim Pool, the guy who said 400 electoral landslide in 2020.
02:00:26.000Now, the first thing I'm going to do is absolutely defend everything I said in 2020 because I was completely correct, except for like 2% of my predictions.
02:00:36.000Clarifying, that's a gross overstatement about what I actually did say, but looking at like Moody's analytics and polling data, Moody's Analytics actually had a scenario where Trump would win in a landslide victory comparable to like Reagan or something.
02:00:52.000Second thing I'll say is Trump landslide victory, 49th State landslide was a meme, which the left was I guess unaware of, which was a generic term for Trump is just going to win really, really well.
02:01:17.000He won, I believe, 17 of 18 Bellwether counties.
02:01:20.000He won, I think, Ohio and Florida, the Bellwether states.
02:01:24.000So he actually accomplished everything the models that I had addressed were set to accomplish, which in all circumstances pointed to a Trump victory.
02:01:34.000Except for Democrats' shadow campaign, which I could not have predicted.
02:01:37.000So if you actually were to look at all the analytics and all the metrics where I said, wow, Trump's going to do well here, he's going to do well here, he's going to do well here.
02:01:42.000These are all indicative of a major victory.
02:01:46.000What I did not account for was changing demographics from COVID where people were moving.
02:01:51.000Universal mail-in voting dramatically altering things, and Democrats' quote-unquote shadow campaign, which they called in Time magazine, their effort at various levels from corporate to the governorships in red states that were controlled by Democrats to affect the outcome of the election.
02:02:10.000So my mistake and my prediction was I didn't, I couldn't, I could look at the news, but I couldn't see what Democrats were doing untoward behind the scenes.
02:02:21.000I mean, I was predicting Donald Trump would get reelected, even with all the COVID stuff.
02:02:26.000I thought the riots and all of that was going to be enough to carry him through.
02:02:30.000It wasn't until, and people can go back and listen to my shows, when I realized the universal mail-in voting thing, I was like, oh well now it's up in the air completely.
02:02:40.000And the truth is, if you're predicting that election, right, like what were the numbers exactly?
02:02:44.000The numbers, assuming everything was completely legitimate, but Trump got like 73 million.
02:02:49.000No, I think it was 74 point something.
02:02:51.00074 million and Biden was like 81 or something like that.
02:02:54.000So it's like if you look at it, I mean, if you take Biden out, Trump got more votes than anybody in the history of the United States of America has.
02:03:00.000So it's like the numbers may have been a little bit inflated higher than usual, but like he did, it's just very hard to account for the mail-in voting.
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