Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Border Czar Hints He'll ARREST Leftists Aiding Illegal Immigrants w-Mark Dubowitz |Timcast IRL

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00:00:21.000 We got a lot of news, my friends.

00:00:22.000 You know, we were going to open with this JFK story.

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00:00:26.000 Anna Paulina Luna said that after going over the new documents in this meeting, she believes there were two shooters in the JFK assassination.

00:00:32.000 But ultimately, it looks like there's a much bigger story as Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, outright said that they're going to start rounding up these leftist groups that are aiding illegal immigrants.

00:00:46.000 And so we figured, hey.

00:00:48.000 That's massive, and we should probably lead with that story.

00:00:51.000 When asked, there are a bunch of leftist groups aiding these illegal immigrants, and they're protesting. 0.58

00:00:56.000 Are there any plans to ground them up?

00:00:57.000 He says, watch and see what happens.

00:00:59.000 We're working on that right now.

00:01:01.000 It's a question that we asked when we see these Democrat politicians, well, let's just say, dancing on the line of aiding and abetting people who are illegal immigrants. 0.74

00:01:11.000 And some would argue that, well, they have the legal right to tell someone else their legal rights.

00:01:16.000 The question then becomes, but where is the line of inducement, inducing an illegal immigrant to reside in this country? 0.88

00:01:22.000 When you say you know they're illegals and here's how you avoid detection and law enforcement, would that be inducement? 0.95

00:01:27.000 So it's going to be interesting to see this.

00:01:29.000 We'll break that down.

00:01:30.000 But there's massive news today.

00:01:32.000 One of the higher-ups at FEMA and a total of four individuals were fired after Elon Musk uncovered that $59 million were sent to luxury hotels in New York to house illegal immigrants. 0.80

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00:06:05.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Mark Dubowitz.

00:06:09.000 Hey, Tim.

00:06:09.000 Great to be here.

00:06:10.000 Thanks for coming.

00:06:11.000 Who are you?

00:06:11.000 What do you do?

00:06:12.000 So I am a swamp creature.

00:06:14.000 I live in Washington, D.C. I've been running a national security think tank for about 20 years, working on Iran, Middle East, foreign policy issues.

00:06:22.000 2019 got sanctioned by Iran, kind of a fatwa for my hard work.

00:06:28.000 And yeah, so I've been in America for over two decades, born in South Africa, raised in Canada.

00:06:37.000 I heard you and Serge speaking Afrikaans.

00:06:39.000 We were.

00:06:40.000 I think we were cursing at each other in Afrikaans.

00:06:42.000 That's probably all the Afrikaans we know.

00:06:44.000 It's the fun stuff.

00:06:45.000 A lot of fun.

00:06:47.000 Everybody knows the swears.

00:06:48.000 Yeah, everyone knows the swears.

00:06:49.000 And great to be on the show first time and launching my own podcast pretty soon called The Iran Breakdown, all about Iran.

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00:07:09.000 We actually, and we did talk a little bit about this, more so I actually ranted to you about the Israel stuff.

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00:07:22.000 It was interesting.

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00:07:33.000 Interesting conversation.

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00:07:36.000 But it's going to be fun.

00:07:37.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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00:07:40.000 It's Raymond, your local USBC veteran and blue-collar fella.

00:07:44.000 I'm excited to talk to Mark a bit.

00:07:46.000 It was a great green room, if I'm going to be honest.

00:07:49.000 You've got to watch out for the Jews. 1.00

00:07:51.000 But it was very fun.

00:07:52.000 It was good to listen to.

00:07:53.000 Phil.

00:07:54.000 Hello, everybody.

00:07:55.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:07:56.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:07:58.000 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:08:00.000 Let's go.

00:08:00.000 Here we go, ladies and gentlemen, from Daily Mail.

00:08:03.000 Trump's border czar gives wild answer on if ICE will round up leftist groups aiding illegal immigrants.

00:08:09.000 Before I read this quote, I just want to say, we asked this question as many Democrats had been instructing illegal aliens on how to avoid law enforcement.

00:08:20.000 And the question, so there is, along the books, I believe it is US Code, Title 8 US Code 1324, Section A, Section 4A, which says that inducement of an individual who is here illegally, knowingly or otherwise, with reckless disregard for whether or not they'll be committing a crime, if you induce them to stay here, that would be a crime.

00:08:43.000 Now, in the debate, in sort of the argument, it was, yeah, but if you're informing someone of their legal rights, you're not really committing a crime.

00:08:50.000 The issue is, of course, when we see Ilhan Omar and these other Democratic reps, we know their intention.

00:08:57.000 So I put it like this.

00:08:59.000 You know, we've all been to those parties, those keggers when we were young, where they're selling cups. 1.00

00:09:03.000 They're like, I got a red cup for five bucks.

00:09:05.000 I'm not selling beer.

00:09:06.000 I'm selling cups.

00:09:08.000 Good luck.

00:09:09.000 You're going to go to court and they're going to be like, we knew exactly what you were doing.

00:09:12.000 You were selling beer to minors.

00:09:14.000 I do think because it's a congressperson that's actually making these statements and informing these people, that would imply to people, obviously not directly tell them, but imply to people, look, this is an authority.

00:09:29.000 Telling me that it's okay for me to do these things.

00:09:32.000 This is someone in a position of authority saying it's okay for me.

00:09:35.000 I can get around the law if I do these things.

00:09:38.000 So I think that if it's just someone, you know, just a Joe on the street saying this is what you can do, it might be one thing.

00:09:45.000 But I do think that...

00:09:46.000 People in positions of authority should be held to a higher standard because that position as a congressperson comes with the implied knowledge that you would think that the government has.

00:10:00.000 We know the intention of these members of Congress when they're doing this.

00:10:03.000 They're not just telling your run-of-the-mill American citizen how to make sure their rights are being protected.

00:10:11.000 Certainly, if you're an American and you get stopped by law enforcement, depending on the state you're in, it's always different, but you typically don't have a requirement to give your information to cops or show them your ID unless they suspect you've committed a crime and are detaining you for such a thing.

00:10:25.000 Usually, you're just free to go.

00:10:26.000 You say, am I being detained?

00:10:27.000 If they say no, you say thank you and have a nice day.

00:10:28.000 Appreciate it.

00:10:29.000 That I understand.

00:10:30.000 But here's what we're seeing is activist groups, even I think AOC did this, they're putting out information specifically intended for illegal immigrants to skirt the law.

00:10:40.000 Here's the story.

00:10:42.000 They're going to mention since Trump took office, hordes of protesters have descended on L.A. and other major cities, waving Mexican flags and those of other Central and South American countries to decry the president's illegal immigration crackdown.

00:10:53.000 These protests have involved protesters blocking freeways.

00:10:57.000 Though many demonstrations have been peaceful.

00:10:59.000 Quote, Sir, is there any plan to go after these leftist groups and these protests across the nation where those likely illegal aliens are flying foreign flags to be rounded up?

00:11:08.000 A journalist for the Gateway Pundit asked Homan.

00:11:11.000 The Bordazar had seemingly answered his share of questions, began walking away from the scrum, but the question piqued his interest.

00:11:17.000 I do want to point out they chose the wrong peaked.

00:11:20.000 And you guys need a copy editor.

00:11:22.000 They wrote P-E-A-K. Homan stopped in his tracks and flashed a brief smile before delivering a verdict.

00:11:30.000 Watch and see what happens.

00:11:32.000 He shot back.

00:11:33.000 Followed by, we're working on that right now, Homan added before striding away.

00:11:38.000 Some of the groups seen protesting include Centro CSO, an undocumented immigrant advocacy organization, and the Freedom Road Socialist Organization.

00:11:47.000 During the questioning, the Bordazar also shared that he is deeply unsatisfied with the rate at which immigration and customs enforcement agents are able to arrest illegal immigrants residing in the USA. When posed the question of whether Trump is happy with the pace of ICE enforcement, Homan shot back, I'm not.

00:12:01.000 If you look at the arrests in the interior enforcement, it's about three times higher than it was a year ago today.

00:12:06.000 Three times higher is good, but I'm not satisfied.

00:12:08.000 There's more criminal aliens that need to be arrested.

00:12:11.000 Hundreds of thousands of sanctuary cities are putting up roadblocks.

00:12:13.000 We got leaks.

00:12:14.000 The borders are continued.

00:12:15.000 The question is, what are they going to do about these sanctuary states, these sanctuary cities, where you have a government official outright saying we will aid and abet illegal immigration in violation of federal law? - Well, a couple of things strike me, Tim.

00:12:31.000 First of all, I don't understand why these...

00:12:35.000 Immigration groups are flying foreign flags.

00:12:38.000 I mean, I'm an immigrant to America.

00:12:40.000 Proud American, was naturalized in 2015, came here 20 years ago.

00:12:45.000 I mean, if I were advising these folks on public relations, fly American flags.

00:12:50.000 I mean, that's number one.

00:12:51.000 Number two is, if you're inducing somebody to commit a crime, if I'm inducing someone to commit a robbery or armed assault or murder, I am as complicit in that crime as the perpetrator.

00:13:03.000 So it is remarkable to me.

00:13:06.000 Members of Congress are actually encouraging this.

00:13:09.000 And don't get me started on Ilan Omar, please.

00:13:11.000 We could have a whole hour on her.

00:13:13.000 Oh, man.

00:13:13.000 I heard the FBI is investigating her over—this is recent—over her marrying her brother because some people claim those DNA events.

00:13:20.000 I'm not—let's not get into that.

00:13:21.000 Let's not get into—but maybe we can later.

00:13:24.000 But, yeah, there's a lot of questions here.

00:13:26.000 And when we brought this up last week about whether or not it's illegal— I'm curious if you are not a lawyer.

00:13:37.000 You have no legal authority to be giving legal advice to anybody.

00:13:41.000 Not that no one's allowed to do it.

00:13:43.000 I'm just saying, like, lawyers have a—there's a—you know, what's—I can't think of the word.

00:13:50.000 I mean, you have an obligation as an attorney to provide— Privilege.

00:13:54.000 Privilege.

00:13:54.000 Right, right, right.

00:13:55.000 That's what I was thinking of.

00:13:55.000 Right, and you have a right to counsel here.

00:13:57.000 That's fine.

00:13:57.000 But let's say you're— As a lawyer.

00:13:59.000 Let's say you're a regular person on the street.

00:14:00.000 And you see a guy about to rob a bank.

00:14:02.000 And you walk up to him and say, alright, here's what happens.

00:14:04.000 After you go and do this, the cops are going to come from these places, do not speak to them, and here's how you can avoid detection after you've committed that crime.

00:14:12.000 Wouldn't that be plotting with them to commit the crime?

00:14:15.000 Like, wouldn't you get in trouble for that?

00:14:17.000 Accessory.

00:14:18.000 You're basically saying, here's how you can get away with it and avoid detection after you've broken the law.

00:14:23.000 I mean, that's conspiracy to commit a crime.

00:14:26.000 You're actively engaged in the plotting of a crime.

00:14:30.000 And you would be complicit.

00:14:32.000 You would be indicted.

00:14:33.000 So the challenge here is illegal immigrants in this country have broken the law already. 1.00

00:14:39.000 And it's one thing to provide blankets, legal advice, constitutional advice, all those things as an American citizen saying to all of my American friends out there.

00:14:49.000 And I'll say this legitimately.

00:14:51.000 Don't talk to cops.

00:14:52.000 That's the rule.

00:14:53.000 Everybody knows.

00:14:54.000 You don't talk to cops, you get a lawyer. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Don't be stupid. 1.00

00:14:57.000 Yep. 1.00

00:14:57.000 And it is kind of rough because it's like you can literally never talk. 1.00

00:15:01.000 No, like there's some circumstances, obviously, where you talk to cops, like if you call them.

00:15:04.000 But the point is, when there's a crime being investigated, you don't know if you're the suspect.

00:15:09.000 You just, I'm sorry.

00:15:10.000 I mean, this is the way it works.

00:15:12.000 But there's something different here in that we have the intent.

00:15:17.000 We know for a fact, and no reason, if you go up to a random person on the street and say, hey, AOC just provided this information on how to avoid ICE. Was that intended to help illegal immigrants avoid deportation?

00:15:28.000 They'd say, yeah, of course.

00:15:29.000 Oh, OK, well, that's inducement.

00:15:30.000 That's illegal.

00:15:32.000 The question is, is Trump going to have the gall to actually go after Democrat politicians who have long broken the law and skirted our federal codified law to induce illegal immigration?

00:15:43.000 Because let's be real, as Phil was pointing out, these people from a position of authority saying this, what did we see?

00:15:48.000 We saw people come to the border wearing shirts saying, please, Biden, let us in.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 I mean, Joe Biden said that in one of the debates.

00:15:55.000 He said, surge the border.

00:15:57.000 And the result was 15, 20 million illegals came in in the four years, something along those lines.

00:16:05.000 I mean, it was record-breaking and an astronomical number.

00:16:09.000 And so if someone in a position of authority, if someone in Congress, an elected official, if they're making these kind of statements, there has to be a higher standard that they're held to because of the...

00:16:21.000 Because of the implication that they're telling people the legal right thing to do.

00:16:27.000 I understand that everyone is free, whether they be in Congress or a regular citizen, you're free to say whatever you want to say.

00:16:37.000 But there are certain responsibilities that come with your position in Congress.

00:16:42.000 And I think that that kind of...

00:16:47.000 You know, interaction with people that are illegal, saying, look, these are the things you do to avoid detection, and these are the rights that you have, so that way you can avoid having to interact with police or whatever.

00:17:01.000 I do think that that does at least approach a crime, and it should be something that Congress...

00:17:08.000 And I know I'm gonna sound like a fossil for even saying this, but maybe Congress people need to be censured for it.

00:17:13.000 We haven't censured anyone, I know, in ages and ages.

00:17:16.000 Most people don't even know what a censure is, right?

00:17:18.000 But, like, there should be some repercussions because they've enabled people to come to the U.S. illegally and help, and they're helping them stay.

00:17:28.000 For those who don't know, just real quick, if you don't know what inducement means, it's an inducement of federal orders can be illegal if it involves improper financial arrangements, which is if you get away from ICE and you keep collecting money from the state and the government, that might be that, or actions that violate federal laws, which is them telling them, the illegals, to get away from ICE. If someone's in jail...

00:17:51.000 And they are to be stayed there.

00:17:53.000 And the police let them go.

00:17:54.000 And the congresspeople tell them that they should go and hide somewhere.

00:17:57.000 That's definitely violating federal laws.

00:17:59.000 It's basically encouraging them.

00:18:00.000 I believe it says encouraging and inducing.

00:18:02.000 So encouragement would be, we know what that means.

00:18:05.000 It's literal.

00:18:05.000 It's like saying to someone like, hey, come here, do this thing.

00:18:08.000 And you'll be safe.

00:18:09.000 You can do it this way.

00:18:10.000 Inducement would be providing some kind of incentive.

00:18:13.000 Say, if you do this, we'll do X. So this is encouragement under the inducement statute.

00:18:18.000 But I think the issue is for these Democrats, they have for a long time operated with impunity as it pertains to the law.

00:18:26.000 Like, sanctuary states and sanctuary cities is one thing where they say, we're not going to participate in law enforcement nor communicate with them.

00:18:33.000 And it's like, okay, well...

00:18:35.000 I feel like they're violating the spirit of the union of states by basically saying, we're going to break the law, which negatively impacts all of you, disproportionately gives us power in Congress and the presidential elections, whatever.

00:18:45.000 But now when they're at the federal level actively helping illegal immigration, advocating for it outright, now we're at a point where we have to ask ourselves a question.

00:18:55.000 Can we as a nation, can we stop that?

00:18:59.000 It's illegal.

00:19:00.000 It violates the spirit of the union.

00:19:03.000 Let me explain it.

00:19:06.000 California offers free health care.

00:19:07.000 They call it Medi-Cal.

00:19:09.000 Free health care to illegal immigrants, not to American citizens. 1.00

00:19:13.000 That's inducement.

00:19:14.000 That is inducement.

00:19:15.000 You come here, we'll give you free health care is inducement.

00:19:18.000 The state is doing that.

00:19:19.000 When those people come, they then say, we will not deport you, nor will we assist federal law enforcement.

00:19:25.000 Then the census happens.

00:19:26.000 They get extra congressional seats, extra votes at the Electoral College, and we all have to abide by them breaking the rules and violating the Constitution and committing federal crimes.

00:19:36.000 How do you stop that?

00:19:38.000 I mean, unfortunately, it seems like there's one strong way, and it's going to be DOJ accountability.

00:19:43.000 Perhaps Trump can cut off all funding.

00:19:46.000 The federal government will no longer provide a single penny to any state that is not enforcing the law.

00:19:52.000 Look, I grew up in a country, Canada, where, I mean, the political game in Canada was that the Liberal Party for decades would let in as many immigrants as possible, legal immigrants, and basically the quid-quo-quo was, we're letting you in, you're going to vote for us.

00:20:06.000 And that's why Pierre Trudeau stayed in power for two decades, right?

00:20:10.000 Democratic politicians in America understand that game.

00:20:13.000 I mean, AOC, Ilhan Omar, and the Democratic Party understand that the more legal immigrants they bring in, the more pathways to citizenship they provide.

00:20:21.000 The more votes they get, and that secures them a Democratic majority.

00:20:25.000 I mean, I think at the end of the day, Donald Trump is president of the United States, and Republicans control the House and Senate, because it is in effect today an 80-20 issue, the 80% of Americans.

00:20:35.000 They want to control their borders.

00:20:36.000 They don't want illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:20:38.000 By the way, they want legal immigrants.

00:20:40.000 I mean, a number of us who came from different countries, we understand the power and the strength, and in some cases, the beauty of legal immigration.

00:20:49.000 What we don't want to do is have our borders violated, illegals come in, and one political party in America basically piggyback on illegal immigration in order to ride to a permanent political majority. 0.90

00:21:02.000 And that's the Democratic game.

00:21:05.000 I mean, let's face it.

00:21:06.000 At the end of the day, that's behind everything.

00:21:08.000 Let's jump to the story from the New York Post, where it gets a lot worse.

00:21:12.000 Borders are Tom Homan accuses FBI of leaking information about ICE raids, lives at risk.

00:21:18.000 Kristi Noem made a similar comment, pointing out that information was leaked to the LA Times about raids that were going to be happening all over this country.

00:21:26.000 Tom Homan pointed out that if this information gets out, there's going to be some criminal.

00:21:30.000 A gang member, a cartel member, who's concerned about getting caught, lying in wait, and when the law enforcement shows up, they get ambushed.

00:21:38.000 Now, this is where it gets crazy.

00:21:40.000 Tom Homan said that they've narrowed it down, they think they know who it is, and there's going to be an arrest.

00:21:47.000 So they're going to go after the leakers in the FBI. But in the previous segment, we were talking about Democrats, largely in California, but there's many states that are doing it, that are violating the law.

00:21:58.000 That's Title 8, U.S. Code 1324, Section A, Subsection 4, encouragement and inducement of illegal immigration.

00:22:10.000 California provides free health care to illegal immigrants.

00:22:12.000 I would call that inducement.

00:22:13.000 They refuse to deport or cooperate with law enforcement.

00:22:16.000 They use the illegal immigrants to bolster their census numbers so they get more congressional seats, more electoral votes. 0.92

00:22:22.000 You have an inside job.

00:22:25.000 Yes.

00:22:26.000 States violating the law for power and at the federal level, leaking information to aid and abet those states and the people who have broken the law illegally entering the country and those that would help them.

00:22:37.000 The question we asked in the previous segment was, will the DOJ have the gall to go after these states for doing this?

00:22:43.000 When Tom Homan says they're going after the FBI, it's actually a terrifying prospect if you think about it.

00:22:49.000 This means you have rogue states.

00:22:51.000 We've known this.

00:22:53.000 And you have rogue FBI.

00:22:55.000 We've known this.

00:22:56.000 What happens when the DOJ starts going after arresting FBI agents, state officials, people who are who are within our state government and federal government who are actively trying to cause harm to this country?

00:23:09.000 I think you have the makings for a very serious constitutional crisis and potential in intrastate conflict.

00:23:18.000 So what's going on here, if I understand this, is that FBI agents are leaking information about ICE raids to...

00:23:25.000 Information that's ending up in the hands of not only illegal immigrants, but gangs who get the heads up that ICE is coming in and then can flee.

00:23:36.000 I mean, that has got to be a violation.

00:23:38.000 Or worse.

00:23:38.000 I mean, it's got to be a violation of every duty that the FBI holds.

00:23:43.000 I would also say probably a violation of their actual security clearances, because this is information that is classified information that they are leaking.

00:23:52.000 And they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as anybody who holds security clearance and violates that clearance has been and should be.

00:23:59.000 Well, I don't know about anybody that's had that clearance and violated it.

00:24:04.000 Let's talk about that.

00:24:04.000 that that'd be interesting but but i do think that um i do think that in this context it's not it's undeniable if if those things have happened if the if the fbi is leaking about you know ice rates and stuff

00:24:21.000 um i think that that is ample evidence that we need people like cash patel people that are outside of the bureaucracy going into these organizations and and looking for the people that are not on board with the administration There's a lot of people that are up in arms about Elon Musk, and the thing they say over and over is, he's not elected, he's not elected.

00:24:46.000 There's only 435 members of Congress.

00:24:50.000 100 senators and one president.

00:24:53.000 That's 536 elected representatives.

00:24:56.000 That's it.

00:24:57.000 Like in the federal government.

00:24:59.000 Everybody else.

00:25:00.000 All the other millions and millions of people that work for the federal government, they're all appointed.

00:25:05.000 None of them are elected. 0.96

00:25:07.000 So this idea that an unelected person going in and trying to fix the problems of other unelected people is beyond the pale is ridiculous. 0.57

00:25:19.000 And the president needs to have the authority to fire people.

00:25:23.000 And this is something that I'm not sure if we're actually going to talk about it, but it's something that will come up in the future.

00:25:29.000 Because a lot of these, there's a lot of judges that are blocking things that the president has said, you know, as executive orders he's made.

00:25:36.000 And the argument is, well, the president doesn't have the authority to do that.

00:25:40.000 The president doesn't have the authority.

00:25:42.000 And essentially, what they're saying is...

00:25:44.000 If the president is of the opposing political party, he has no authority and will use the judiciary to prevent him from doing anything we don't like.

00:25:54.000 I mean, there's a list, I have it, of specific things that have been blocked so far.

00:26:01.000 We're definitely going to talk about that because the judge is being impeached.

00:26:04.000 Good.

00:26:06.000 The articles of impeachment are being filed.

00:26:09.000 Good.

00:26:10.000 That's important because we need to be able to fix the problems at the FBI. If this is the case, if the president...

00:26:17.000 You want me to just say it, Phil?

00:26:19.000 Go ahead, yeah.

00:26:20.000 What we're talking about when you have states defying federal law, cheating the Constitution, FBI agents opposing the executive administration, and judges going rogue to shut down executive authority.

00:26:30.000 It's been a long time.

00:26:30.000 Give it to me.

00:26:31.000 Civil War!

00:26:33.000 That was my first time on the show getting it.

00:26:35.000 All right.

00:26:36.000 It's been a while.

00:26:38.000 But it's back, baby!

00:26:40.000 Civil War is back on the table.

00:26:42.000 I hope not.

00:26:42.000 Or at least on the podcast.

00:26:44.000 But you're not wrong.

00:26:46.000 And thankfully, we do have, and this is something that I said a couple months ago when we were talking about these possible problems, I would prefer there to be some kind of conflict like this when the party that I prefer has the levers of power than when the other party has the levers of power.

00:27:07.000 So if there's going to be, if the Democrats want to be like, oh, well, we're going to go ahead and resist, etc., etc., and want to do all that stuff, fine.

00:27:16.000 Then we'll go ahead and allow the executive to do executive things.

00:27:20.000 Send the FBI to go ahead and pick up the people that are not following the rules and put them in front of the jury.

00:27:28.000 Or just fire them.

00:27:28.000 I would love it.

00:27:29.000 I would love it.

00:27:30.000 And this is the crazy thing.

00:27:31.000 Trump, what are the moves he's made?

00:27:32.000 He said, we're going to put you on leave.

00:27:33.000 And they said, no.

00:27:35.000 He's not even firing me.

00:27:36.000 He says, we're going to keep paying you, but you're just not going to be here.

00:27:37.000 And they're like, nope.

00:27:38.000 Nope.

00:27:39.000 And this is what they did during Trump's first term, but this time he's not playing around.

00:27:44.000 They've repeatedly tried to act like the president has no authority at all, as if the president himself is a ceremonial position.

00:27:51.000 That's what they've been doing.

00:27:53.000 Now, we will get into more of that, of course.

00:27:55.000 To go back to the immigration thing, we'll center this around, like, you know, what we're talking about now, law enforcement at the federal level that has been aiding and abetting criminals.

00:28:04.000 And I got questions.

00:28:05.000 I got questions.

00:28:06.000 Because certainly we can look at what Tom Homan said.

00:28:09.000 According to the story, he told Fox News, Hannity, some of the information we are receiving tends to lead toward the FBI, saying they're quite certain it's coming from inside the FBI. He said he's been promised not only will a person lose their job and pension, but they will go to jail.

00:28:28.000 I'm glad to hear it.

00:28:29.000 But I got questions for Tom.

00:28:31.000 There were CBP agents that were facilitating child trafficking.

00:28:34.000 Yeah.

00:28:35.000 Are we going to forget that?

00:28:36.000 No.

00:28:36.000 Is the argument that because Biden told him to do it, we're okay with that?

00:28:39.000 I'm not okay with that.

00:28:41.000 So I don't know how far any of these people are willing to go, but I'll tell you likely what I see happening.

00:28:45.000 Tom Homan, Trump, they're going to say, if we've got cogs in a machine that are the banality of evil, but they're going to do their job now as we go against, they're going to let these guys go.

00:28:57.000 The CBP agents that were bringing these children in knowing that they were being trafficked into sex slavery, they're not going to see any charges.

00:29:03.000 And the argument is going to be, oh, well, you know, they're just doing their job and we need their assistance and we don't want to lose these officers and things like that.

00:29:09.000 I don't accept that.

00:29:10.000 But I don't think Trump or Holman or anybody else is going to actually take action against them.

00:29:16.000 I think they'll take – Holman is definitely the right guy for the job because he works for the Border Patrol Agency.

00:29:20.000 And then he worked as an assistant special agent for immigration for ICE. He's made his way up.

00:29:25.000 He is tough as nails.

00:29:27.000 He's hardcore, and if he would go after people today, I can see him, to answer your question to him, yes, he will do that.

00:29:33.000 But I don't see, I'm really worried about him not going, him going back and not taking all the agents who did facilitate all the child traffic sex working.

00:29:44.000 Let me say something, I think it's going to be controversial with this audience, but...

00:29:48.000 Look, I think you're arguing with everything you said, but there should be some legal consistency, right?

00:29:53.000 I mean, FBI agents violating their clearances, providing classified information to drug cartels to give them the heads up that ICE is coming in is beyond the pale, immoral, and illegal.

00:30:08.000 But a guy named Snowden, who had high security clearance, the highest security clearance in the land.

00:30:15.000 Instead of going to the inspector general of the CIA and saying, I believe there's a legal activity taking place that violates America's constitutional rights, decides on his own accord to leak highly classified information to the press, putting people's lives in jeopardy.

00:30:33.000 And there are people, I think, who want to see...

00:30:37.000 Donald Trump issue a pardon of Snowden or think that he was illegally convicted in the first place?

00:30:43.000 I mean, I believe at the end of the day— Was he convicted, actually?

00:30:47.000 I don't know if they held a trial or anything for him.

00:30:49.000 Well, he certainly – I mean he should be put on trial.

00:30:53.000 I think that – I mean we'll see what the evidence points to.

00:30:56.000 He says a presumption of innocence.

00:30:57.000 But at the end of the day, if it's shown that he violated his security clearance and he leaked information that he was not allowed to leak, it's no different than FBI agents leaking information about ICE raids.

00:31:09.000 I agree.

00:31:09.000 Putting lives at risk.

00:31:10.000 And I think a lot of people watch so completely agree because we've talked about this before.

00:31:15.000 I'm not here to give you – there's a lot of people who are going to say – I hate the U.S. government or I think they're corrupt.

00:31:21.000 Therefore, what Snowden did was good.

00:31:22.000 I'm not going to play that game.

00:31:22.000 I'm going to talk to you about what is and what is not.

00:31:25.000 Snowden is not a whistleblower.

00:31:26.000 He is a leaker.

00:31:27.000 There's a difference.

00:31:29.000 Bradley, a.k.a.

00:31:30.000 Chelsea Manning, is a whistleblower, not a leaker.

00:31:33.000 There's a difference.

00:31:33.000 The difference is when it came to Bradley Manning at the time releasing information on specific actions, blowing the whistle is saying this one thing that happened was illegal and people need to know this illegal thing happened.

00:31:47.000 That's a broad definition of whistleblower.

00:31:48.000 Some might prefer that you go through the official channels of saying, I have uncovered something illegal, but when you're dealing with superiors or whatever, and I'm not saying this is exactly what happened, but it's not so easy to do.

00:31:58.000 If a person goes to the press and says, I have uncovered a direct action that is illegal and needs to be revealed, you're blowing the whistle.

00:32:05.000 That's not what Snowden did.

00:32:07.000 Snowden found a handful of programs, X-Keyscore being one notable example.

00:32:11.000 There was spying going on.

00:32:13.000 So did Edward Snowden then take that program individually, go to the press and say, look at this one thing that is illegal?

00:32:20.000 No.

00:32:21.000 Snowden took tens of thousands of documents without checking any of them or redacting any of them and leaked them to a bunch of different news organizations in which Snowden admitted this in an interview saying, perhaps I should have actually gone through them.

00:32:36.000 There's a big difference between being a leaker and a whistleblower.

00:32:39.000 Certainly I can say I am glad to an extent Snowden revealed information on NSA spying and these illegal programs.

00:32:46.000 That's good we learned about it.

00:32:47.000 But it was done horribly.

00:32:49.000 It was done horribly.

00:32:51.000 This is going on over 10 years ago.

00:32:55.000 When one of the documents that got released, just one, but it happened in many occasions, I don't think anyone lost their lives, but the identity of a U.S. operative was compromised in the leaking of this information without redaction.

00:33:07.000 Snowden was challenged on it, and Snowden said, yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that.

00:33:11.000 And it's like, right, well, you did wrong.

00:33:13.000 You did wrong.

00:33:14.000 Okay, so I can accept the good, but say it was still done improperly, and there's got to be some penalty for it.

00:33:18.000 However, I will add, at this point, I don't know.

00:33:22.000 I think we're so far past it.

00:33:24.000 With the Snowden, Assange, with the Manning stuff, where it's just like, I'm not going to sit here and try and litigate the past.

00:33:33.000 I don't want to go backwards.

00:33:36.000 And I know sometimes you have to.

00:33:37.000 It depends on the severity.

00:33:38.000 In this case, I don't know that we are served by prioritizing that.

00:33:42.000 There's a lot of other things that I want to prioritize.

00:33:45.000 I'm not saying necessarily give them a blanket pardon, bring them home, and give them a ticker tape parade.

00:33:49.000 Maybe we just say, we've got bigger fish to fry right now.

00:33:52.000 And we can acknowledge there was wrongdoing in that regard.

00:33:55.000 But instead of ranting on all of that, because I can go in a million years on all that stuff.

00:34:00.000 Can that be said?

00:34:02.000 I mean, I agree about going back to the past when it comes to the Border Patrol agents.

00:34:07.000 That's different.

00:34:08.000 Okay.

00:34:09.000 This is the point.

00:34:10.000 Edward Snowden leaking information from several administrations ago, of which it included some illegal activity but was done improperly, is not child trafficking.

00:34:21.000 Correct.

00:34:22.000 So I don't think this is my moral line.

00:34:25.000 Edward Snowden did something wrong.

00:34:28.000 There was some good in it.

00:34:29.000 The CBP agents did nothing good.

00:34:31.000 Children were coming off with numbers on their arms to child sex traffickers, and they were like, oh, well, Biden told me to do it.

00:34:37.000 And I'm like, Edward Snowden being doofy and being like, oh, I'm going to leak all these documents is a more of a banality of evil, but some good was in it.

00:34:46.000 It's more nuanced.

00:34:48.000 I'm not happy with the way he did it.

00:34:50.000 I have no problem saying he is a leaker and not a whistleblower because people keep trying to say he's a whistleblower.

00:34:55.000 They try to compare Snowden with Assange.

00:34:57.000 Assange was a journalist.

00:34:58.000 Assange was getting documents from sources, redacting information where need be and publishing it.

00:35:03.000 Don't compare the two.

00:35:04.000 Snowden did bad things.

00:35:05.000 He did wrong.

00:35:06.000 But there was some good in it.

00:35:07.000 There is a moral line in that CBP knew children were coming across the border, had numbers on their arms to sell them into slavery, sex slavery, and they went, oh well.

00:35:16.000 There was no good being done there, and I will take no statute of limitations on that.

00:35:21.000 Snowden, I'm just kind of like, I don't care at this point.

00:35:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:24.000 I mean, some people might say we can't allow these kinds of leaks to happen.

00:35:28.000 You made a good point.

00:35:28.000 Look, the FBI is leaking information.

00:35:30.000 They think they're doing the right thing.

00:35:31.000 We know it's not.

00:35:32.000 It's bad for this country.

00:35:34.000 So perhaps we need to say to Snowden, like, look, you leaked, and if we're going to hold them to the same standard, you will get held to it as well.

00:35:40.000 The penalty probably wouldn't be too severe, so maybe fine.

00:35:44.000 But for those CBP agents, for this FBI agent, I'm like compromising national security, aiding and abetting cartels, drug smugglers, fentanyl, all that stuff.

00:35:52.000 I don't tolerate that.

00:35:53.000 That is killing people.

00:35:55.000 One is administrative, bureaucratic, high-level national security stuff, which is scary.

00:36:01.000 And one is directly eroding and ripping the country apart at the base level.

00:36:06.000 And I don't know, man.

00:36:08.000 Look, the child stuff with CBP, I think, is just like...

00:36:12.000 No way.

00:36:13.000 No way.

00:36:13.000 Let's do this, though.

00:36:14.000 Let's jump to what Phil was talking about, the story at Newsweek.

00:36:17.000 Judge Paul Engelmeyer faces impeachment for blocking Musk's doge.

00:36:22.000 Good.

00:36:23.000 Absolutely.

00:36:24.000 So this is Rep.

00:36:25.000 Eli Crane of Arizona posted on Axe that he will be filing articles of impeachment based on Engelmeyer, who is attempting to stop White House employees from axing the very systems they oversee.

00:36:36.000 I'm in favor of this.

00:36:37.000 You know, I'll put it this way.

00:36:38.000 I was watching a segment from CNN earlier.

00:36:41.000 I know, I know, it was rough.

00:36:43.000 Caitlin Collins was saying that we're facing a constitutional crisis, potentially, within the first three weeks of Trump's presidency.

00:36:49.000 Of course.

00:36:50.000 But the issue at play was he wants to put federal employees on leave.

00:36:53.000 And, okay, like, I don't see why it's a problem, but there have been lawsuits to stop that.

00:36:59.000 There are things that Trump wants to do that they're saying you can't do, you can't fire people.

00:37:03.000 Well, Trump didn't fire people, he put them on leave, right?

00:37:05.000 There's a difference.

00:37:06.000 They say, well, you need an act of Congress, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:08.000 For Doge.

00:37:09.000 This is a federal agency tasked with performing an audit of another agency and a judge intervening from outside the executive branch saying, you can't audit your own departments.

00:37:21.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:37:23.000 If Trump tried to fire...

00:37:25.000 Here's how it's supposed to work.

00:37:27.000 Let me explain.

00:37:28.000 If Trump tries to fire a bunch of employees...

00:37:32.000 But Congress has codified legislation saying you can't fire these employees in these circumstances.

00:37:38.000 The courts, as a check and balance, would then come in and say, no, Trump, you can't do it.

00:37:42.000 There is a law passed by Congress.

00:37:44.000 Congress says federal employees are protected in this way.

00:37:47.000 So that's a check on the executive branch.

00:37:49.000 You may not like it, but that's how we're supposed to do it.

00:37:51.000 When Trump says, I have the U.S. Digital Service, now called U.S. Doge Service, with executive branch employees who are going to go in and review documents from another branch, a judge can't block that.

00:38:02.000 There's no codified law.

00:38:04.000 There's no check on that.

00:38:05.000 It's literally federal executive employees who serve at the pleasure of the president looking over documents in a department of the federal government to look for fraud and abuse.

00:38:15.000 Here's where it gets crazy.

00:38:18.000 There are judges now blocked Trump from pausing federal grants.

00:38:22.000 So Trump basically signs his order saying we're going to stop spending all this money, the federal government because of the because there's a lot of fraud, waste, fraud and abuse.

00:38:29.000 The judge said, find the fraud first.

00:38:32.000 You can't shut these payments down.

00:38:34.000 Then when Elon Musk and Doge go to the Treasury because they suspect fraud, a judge says you're not allowed to look at it.

00:38:41.000 So how are you supposed to stop the payments that are fraudulent?

00:38:45.000 Or you suspect to be fraudulent if another judge is blocking you from investigating fraud. 0.84

00:38:49.000 These people are corrupt all around. 0.98

00:38:51.000 Impeach them. 0.98

00:38:52.000 Or Trump should just say, you are outside of your purview.

00:38:55.000 The Constitution grants you no authority to stop me from doing an audit of a federal department that may or may not be spending money fraudulently.

00:39:03.000 And you know what?

00:39:04.000 They've already uncovered fraudulent spending.

00:39:06.000 They fired several FEMA employees over it.

00:39:08.000 Money should not be going from FEMA to luxury hotels for illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Especially when FEMA was specifically targeting conservatives and Trump voters, people with Trump flags or Trump signs in their front yard after Hurricane.

00:39:23.000 I forget which hurricane it was.

00:39:24.000 It was the most recent hurricane in Florida.

00:39:25.000 Ed Markey has a tweet that says, birthright citizen order blocked.

00:39:30.000 Federal funding cutoff blocked.

00:39:31.000 Illegal feds resignation plan blocked.

00:39:33.000 Access to Treasury's vital data system blocked.

00:39:35.000 Firing 2000 USAID workers blocked.

00:39:39.000 Drastic NIH grant cuts blocked.

00:39:42.000 Removing public health websites blocked.

00:39:44.000 This is literally in direct conflict with the will of the American people.

00:39:51.000 The president was elected.

00:39:53.000 He was elected clearly.

00:39:55.000 He had the electoral college and the popular vote.

00:40:00.000 And the Democrats didn't pick up one individual county.

00:40:05.000 They didn't pick up any counties in the whole country.

00:40:09.000 They only lost.

00:40:11.000 The whole United States shifted to the right.

00:40:14.000 Now, you don't have to like...

00:40:16.000 President Trump.

00:40:17.000 But I do recall that when President Obama was elected, one of his favorite lines was, elections have consequences.

00:40:27.000 This is what the American people want.

00:40:30.000 This obstruction by federal judges, this is literally obstructing the will of the American people.

00:40:38.000 And I don't see how you can see it any other way.

00:40:43.000 Because this is Like, I mean, the USAID stuff is egregious in and of itself.

00:40:52.000 But all of this stuff, it's just essentially an audit.

00:40:57.000 And they don't even want to allow an audit.

00:40:59.000 And the American people are almost consistently, like, this is an 80-20 issue.

00:41:04.000 Like, everybody says, okay, yeah, it's okay to audit the government.

00:41:07.000 It's okay to shrink the size of government a little bit.

00:41:10.000 Because we know that there's some kind of waste, fraud, and abuse all the time.

00:41:14.000 Look, I mean, Trump's political genius is finding the 80-20 issue, taking the 80 and letting Democrats go crazy about the 20. And it's a great political strategy.

00:41:22.000 And if he follows that, Democrats will never come back into power.

00:41:25.000 I would say the other thing, President Obama...

00:41:27.000 But it's also the right thing to do.

00:41:28.000 No, it is the right thing to do.

00:41:29.000 It's the right thing to do for America. 0.66

00:41:31.000 President Obama also said that if Congress is going to block me, I'm going to rule by executive order. 0.93

00:41:35.000 So, you know, another example of hypocrisy. 0.64

00:41:36.000 I would say just on the other side...

00:41:38.000 Personally, it's a passion of mine.

00:41:40.000 I don't know how this will play with you guys or the audience, but what's going on with TikTok, right?

00:41:46.000 TikTok, controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, right?

00:41:49.000 I mean, it's akin to having, like, Joseph Goebbels control every radio set in America during World War II, or Joseph Stalin controlling, you know, ABC, CBS, and NBC during the Cold War.

00:41:59.000 Congress on a bipartisan basis, overwhelmingly.

00:42:02.000 Passes a law requiring ByteDance that owns TikTok, that's owned by the Chinese Communist Party, to divest within a certain period of time or face a ban.

00:42:10.000 It gets challenged by TikTok in the courts.

00:42:13.000 TikTok loses to the Court of Appeals.

00:42:15.000 They go to the Supreme Court.

00:42:16.000 They lose 9-0, Supreme Court.

00:42:19.000 A day before inauguration is the time where the clock has run out.

00:42:26.000 President Trump comes into office and he decides not to enforce the law.

00:42:31.000 Tim, I want to ask you because you were talking about the checks and balances in the system.

00:42:34.000 I think the example you gave was a perfect example where the checks and balances can work.

00:42:39.000 And there are many examples here where this is the executive branch's prerogative to do what it wants to do with the executive branch.

00:42:46.000 In the case of TikTok, I don't know where you are on the issue, but...

00:42:49.000 Not a fan.

00:42:50.000 Not a fan of TikTok.

00:42:51.000 Should President Trump...

00:42:54.000 Absolutely.

00:42:57.000 I don't think we've gone far enough on China.

00:42:59.000 In fact, he is.

00:42:59.000 So while Trump has come out and claimed he's put an executive order pause on TikTok, TikTok has and is still banned on all app stores.

00:43:09.000 So when the law was put into effect, it triggered.

00:43:13.000 Google, Apple and all the other ancillary digital and TV stores nuked TikTok from their platforms, as well as CapCut and other apps that are owned by that company.

00:43:22.000 Trump issued an executive order saying we're putting a pause on it.

00:43:25.000 TikTok pulled this stunt where before the law went into effect, they shut themselves down.

00:43:31.000 Then Trump came out and said, I'm going to work with TikTok. 0.55

00:43:34.000 Then TikTok turned themselves back on and said, thanks to President Trump, you know, we're back.

00:43:40.000 All of these young people on TikTok who don't understand how the system works started cheering for this, saying, I can't believe I have to support Trump now.

00:43:47.000 He just saved TikTok.

00:43:48.000 And then a day later, all the app stores banned TikTok.

00:43:51.000 And to this day, they have been banned.

00:43:53.000 You don't need enforcement when the insurance companies tell Big Tech, we will drop you like a sack of potatoes if you break the law.

00:44:02.000 So the argument I had made when the TikTok thing came in was Trump can say whatever he wants.

00:44:07.000 He put a deferment on enforcement saying.

00:44:09.000 So I believe the penalty is, was it $5,000 per user per day or some ridiculous? 0.90

00:44:15.000 It's insane.

00:44:16.000 It's like trillions of dollars, billions of dollars a day or trillions of dollars a day.

00:44:21.000 And he said, you know, for this amount of time, we're not going to enforce those fines.

00:44:27.000 And my point was, you know, running a company, you're going to be hard-pressed to find an insurance, an insurer, who's going to say, so let me get this straight.

00:44:35.000 You intend to violate federal law, but because Trump said he won't come after you for the liabilities you incur in a short amount of period, you're willing to incur the liabilities over a greater amount of period?

00:44:44.000 I ain't sure on that.

00:44:46.000 If you get a grace period on a month, let's just simplify it.

00:44:51.000 The law says if you do bad thing, million dollar fine per month.

00:44:55.000 President says, yeah, yeah, but we won't enforce against you.

00:44:59.000 So you mean after 30 days you will?

00:45:01.000 Yes.

00:45:02.000 So that means if Amazon, if Oracle, whatever, if any of these big tech platforms provide a service to ByteDance, to TikTok, they're going to incur those penalties, which is billions and trillions of dollars.

00:45:15.000 And then after Trump's executive order expires, then they're going to go after him.

00:45:20.000 Every single insurance company that's operating in that chain, of which I bet there's 30 to 40 of them for Google, for instance, would cut them off in two seconds, saying there's no way we are going to take the risk.

00:45:32.000 That Trump is going to just not enforce that against you, and then we have to pay it.

00:45:35.000 What happened?

00:45:36.000 They all dropped TikTok in a second. 0.77

00:45:38.000 Enforcement doesn't even matter at this point.

00:45:40.000 Nobody's getting involved in that.

00:45:41.000 But you do ultimately support the proposition that the Chinese Communist Party should not be controlling the most important media platform in America.

00:45:48.000 TikTok just gave us—so we launched another channel.

00:45:52.000 We've been banned 87 times.

00:45:54.000 TikTok's outright told us, this time around, they didn't do it the first time, that our conversations are not allowed.

00:46:00.000 Explicitly.

00:46:01.000 So our social team got a warning saying that while we allow opinions, we exist in a shared reality and your opinions have to adhere to ours.

00:46:09.000 That's what it said.

00:46:10.000 And I'm like, this is a talk show.

00:46:12.000 We do a talk show where we have conversations.

00:46:14.000 Not on TikTok.

00:46:16.000 This is the problem I have.

00:46:18.000 Instagram's got no problem.

00:46:20.000 Now the annoying thing is Instagram doesn't let us promote the show because it's political.

00:46:24.000 They have rules and you have to go to like a special thing to promote or whatever.

00:46:28.000 But TikTok bans us every time because TikTok does not want—this is the Chinese control, this is the communist control, in my opinion. 0.87

00:46:36.000 They don't want these conversations to reach the masses.

00:46:39.000 They don't want Gen Z to hear this. 0.98

00:46:41.000 So that's why they're like, sorry, those opinions aren't allowed on TikTok.

00:46:44.000 So much for free speech.

00:46:46.000 And then you get all these people claiming that, yeah, but TikTok lets you badmouth Israel.

00:46:50.000 And I'm like, and they ban everybody else.

00:46:52.000 I don't care.

00:46:54.000 Look, Rumble exists.

00:46:56.000 Right?

00:46:56.000 You can say whatever you want on Rumble.

00:46:58.000 You know, you can't break the law, obviously.

00:47:00.000 But there are platforms and you can navigate them.

00:47:02.000 So I am no TikTok.

00:47:05.000 Another thing about the...

00:47:07.000 I think when I said earlier, the U.S. doesn't go far enough when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:47:11.000 I think the CHIPS Act was a good intentioned policy.

00:47:15.000 But I think the fact that we don't make enough...

00:47:19.000 Chips here in the United States to take care of the federal government and the military.

00:47:24.000 I think that that's actually one of the biggest threats to the United States there is.

00:47:31.000 It's not controversial to say that almost every piece of equipment that comes from China can be compromised by China. 0.89

00:47:39.000 And I would not in any way be surprised if the Chinese had the ability to Either access or to cripple vital hardware in the military that's used in the military. 1.00

00:47:57.000 Look, because of the FAA, we can't make drones in the United States.

00:48:03.000 We don't make any drones.

00:48:05.000 All of the drones that are built, they're all made in China. 1.00

00:48:07.000 Because the FAA says that to have a drone, to build a drone, it has to be line of sight.

00:48:15.000 Or you have to have a pilot's license.

00:48:17.000 So the Chinese can make drones, sell them in the United States, but you can't have an American company make them.

00:48:22.000 That means the U.S. military, which is using drones all the time, and is only going to use them more as AI becomes more prevalent, because when you can have a drone that literally will just be following a squad around.

00:48:33.000 So you've got four dudes and you've got one drone that goes with the squad over their shoulder, giving them heads up of possible threats in the...

00:48:41.000 You know, downrange, or if you can send the drone into a building that you're trying to clear so that you can assess what's going on, that kind of stuff, China will have all the access to that it wants. 0.63

00:48:52.000 Not only that, it'll have access to all of our planning and all of our methods and all the training that we do.

00:49:00.000 It'll know...

00:49:00.000 All the stuff the United States does on the ground, and the idea that we don't have an infrastructure to make sure that the F-22 has the chips that it needs, to make sure that all the drones that we fly have the chips that we need, to make sure that all of the drones that are going to be assigned to just infantry guys, like your 0311s, all your riflemen, your squads, all of that stuff needs to be...

00:49:27.000 It needs to be made in the United States.

00:49:30.000 And it needs to be made...

00:49:32.000 And honestly, it should be TS. It should be top secret.

00:49:35.000 There should be significant security placed on all this stuff.

00:49:39.000 Because if not, we're in a losing game.

00:49:44.000 You know?

00:49:45.000 So I personally, I don't think...

00:49:46.000 One quick point on that.

00:49:47.000 I mean, the greatest threat to our economy and our national security is when we lose Taiwan to the Chinese Communist Party. 0.98

00:49:54.000 Absolutely.

00:49:54.000 Because Taiwan is the leading center.

00:49:57.000 For semiconductor design and manufacture in the world.

00:50:00.000 If you break ground on a semiconductor factory in the United States, you shouldn't pay taxes at all.

00:50:08.000 Ever.

00:50:10.000 Ever.

00:50:11.000 Period.

00:50:11.000 They are trying to get those plants up and operating.

00:50:14.000 You're right.

00:50:15.000 The SHIPS Act was a good initiative, but because of all the regulation that everything takes, we can't get it done.

00:50:20.000 Well, maybe Trump is going to...

00:50:21.000 I would love to see it.

00:50:23.000 I would love to see, you know, I know David Sachs is working with AI stuff and I know that he's working with crypto.

00:50:30.000 I hope that there are other people in the administration that are as focused on this stuff because it is the, so I'm regularly I say that the greatest, the only existential threat the United States faces is our debt, is our national debt, right?

00:50:46.000 The social security, the unfunded liabilities, those things can blow up our economy.

00:50:51.000 There is one other thing that maybe it's not an existential threat, but a major threat, and that's our inability to produce semiconductors in the United States.

00:50:59.000 Let's jump to this next story from the New York Times.

00:51:02.000 Top FEMA official is fired over payments for New York City migrant shelters.

00:51:07.000 The Trump admin fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer and three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services.

00:51:17.000 Ah, let's play the game, New York Times.

00:51:19.000 They say, blah, blah, blah, we get it.

00:51:21.000 The firings kept a startling chain of events.

00:51:23.000 Elon Musk claimed misleadingly that FEMA recently sent $59 million meant for disaster relief to New York City to pay for high-end hotels for migrants and who called the expenditure unlawful.

00:51:31.000 New York City officials raced to clarify the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and not been spent on luxury hotels.

00:51:41.000 Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's acting director, Cameron Hamilton, announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed and that personnel will be held accountable.

00:51:53.000 By Tuesday morning, roughly 24 hours after Musk's post, the Trump administration had followed through on one part of its pledge.

00:52:00.000 Tricia McLaughlin.

00:52:01.000 Spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees FEMA, said that the four employees have been terminated for circumventing leadership to unilaterally make egregious payments for luxury NYC hotels for migrants.

00:52:12.000 Ms. McLaughlin did not specify how the employees had undermined leadership or how making payments previously appropriated by Congress amounted to unilateral conduct, but she said those fired included two program analysts, a grant specialist, and the agency's chief financial officer, Mary Comins, whom FEMA's website identifies as a longtime public servant.

00:52:29.000 Under President Trump and Secretary Noam's leadership, DHS will not sit idly by and allow deep-sit activists to undermine the will and safety of the American people, McLaughlin said in her statement.

00:52:38.000 The swift firings underscored Mr. Musk's growing influence, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:52:42.000 Now I'm just going to pause real quick and ask the New York Times a question.

00:52:46.000 Where in this story do they explain how Musk was wrong other than just saying he was?

00:52:51.000 Honest question.

00:52:52.000 Please tell me.

00:52:54.000 What was really going on with this money?

00:52:56.000 Now, they say Biden had already—what is it?

00:52:59.000 They say under Biden, it had already been appropriate.

00:53:02.000 Yet Trump sent an executive order freezing these payments.

00:53:05.000 I know a judge has put a pause on the suspension, and there's an appeal, an ongoing thing.

00:53:09.000 But we do have a conflict here.

00:53:12.000 What they said was that he's misleading them.

00:53:14.000 It didn't go to high-end hotels, but they're not explaining to us how he was wrong, what actually happened.

00:53:19.000 So I don't tolerate this from news organizations.

00:53:21.000 Elon Musk made an assert—asserted.

00:53:25.000 This issue.

00:53:26.000 I want to know why it was wrong.

00:53:28.000 But this is what the media does.

00:53:30.000 They say, he was wrong.

00:53:31.000 And I say, oh, really?

00:53:32.000 Why?

00:53:32.000 What was the truth?

00:53:33.000 And they say nothing.

00:53:34.000 They say nothing.

00:53:35.000 So which is it?

00:53:37.000 It's debunked.

00:53:38.000 It's debunked.

00:53:39.000 That's it.

00:53:39.000 Like everything.

00:53:40.000 Debunked.

00:53:41.000 Well, I'm going to say this.

00:53:42.000 I don't trust these people at all.

00:53:44.000 And I think in all likelihood, they actually were trying to fund this.

00:53:47.000 And the New York Times is simply claiming it's wrong because they're probably going to cite some technicality as to why it wasn't.

00:53:53.000 I'm technically going to high-end hotels because the hotels aren't really high-end because their stakes only cost $70, not $75.

00:54:00.000 I don't know what they're actually talking about, and I'm not falling for it.

00:54:03.000 So you can come to me and you can say, no, no, no, Tim, here, look, here's what was really going on.

00:54:08.000 The money wasn't disaster relief.

00:54:10.000 It was meant to go to insert this or whatever, and that's fine, and you're allowed to do that.

00:54:14.000 My point is we don't trust you at all.

00:54:16.000 The media plays these games.

00:54:19.000 Elon Musk will say luxury hotels.

00:54:22.000 And they'll say, these are only four-star.

00:54:23.000 They're not five.

00:54:24.000 That's not luxury.

00:54:25.000 Luxury is five stars.

00:54:26.000 And it's like a four-star hotel with $50 stakes is luxury.

00:54:29.000 And they'll say, no, it's an opinion.

00:54:31.000 And then I'm supposed to just take their word for it.

00:54:33.000 At any rate, it is big news to hear that one of the highest officials at FEMA has been nuked from their position over this payment.

00:54:44.000 So this is absolutely fascinating.

00:54:45.000 And I'm curious what you guys think about the moves Elon Musk is making and if it's a good thing or not.

00:54:51.000 Well, just one quick point about the New York Times, not to get to sort of my issues, but I've been reading the New York Times for decades, particularly on the Middle East.

00:55:00.000 What's that?

00:55:01.000 Condolences.

00:55:02.000 Condolences on the Middle East, on Israel, on the Palestinian conflict, on Iran.

00:55:06.000 And it's not shocking to me at all, after reading the New York Times for decades on something I know a lot about, to find the New York Times continuing to mislead the American people about all of these issues.

00:55:21.000 Red flag a long time ago that this is not news reporting.

00:55:26.000 There are ideological agendas at work here.

00:55:29.000 There are editors who have ideological agendas and find reporters to fit the story.

00:55:35.000 And for those of us who support what Elon Musk is doing, for those of your audience who voted for President Trump, you should not be surprised that the New York Times has a deep ideological hostility against the president, against Elon Musk and against Republicans.

00:55:51.000 And every story you should read with a skeptical eye.

00:55:54.000 Let me do this for you guys because to make my point, often I'll use CNN and the New York Times to make that point.

00:55:59.000 Here's ABC7. This is your typical corporate press news outlet.

00:56:04.000 Outright saying, Department of Government Efficiency had Elon Musk on Monday signed the alarm over a $59 million payment by FEMA to house migrants in New York City.

00:56:12.000 They're going to say that the finding comes as Doge continues to uncover controversies of taxpayer dollars.

00:56:17.000 So there's numerous outlets asserting this as true, and the New York Times just simply said it was false and then didn't tell us why it was false.

00:56:24.000 You pick.

00:56:25.000 That's the world we live in right now.

00:56:26.000 I'm going to tell you what I pick.

00:56:27.000 I pick that Elon is largely correct. 0.99

00:56:29.000 USAID has been funding garbage. 1.00

00:56:31.000 We've exposed a lot of that garbage. 1.00

00:56:33.000 Donald Trump was elected specifically to go after waste, fraud, and abuse, among other things. 0.98

00:56:38.000 So in the New York Times, which has lied numerous times about Donald Trump and actively worked to stop him from getting elected, comes out and says Elon Musk is lying, I'll be like, oh wow, the New York Times is lying.

00:56:49.000 That's the knee-jerk reaction that only makes sense. 0.51

00:56:52.000 You know, the New York Times has been, I mean, look, it's been garbage since the Soviet Union, since they were shirling the Soviet Union in the, what, 20s, when Durante was writing, I think it was, you know, and just straight up lying for ideological purposes. 0.56

00:57:07.000 So to believe the New York Times is to intentionally accept the propaganda.

00:57:14.000 Remember when...

00:57:16.000 I have this story.

00:57:17.000 Actually, let me hold the story.

00:57:18.000 This was an interesting point.

00:57:19.000 Telegraph wrote, FEMA officials sacked over $59 million payments for migrant hotels.

00:57:25.000 Oh, that's weird that it's being reported as fact by the Telegraph and by ABC. But they make an interesting point.

00:57:31.000 They say, in November, a FEMA official was suspended after allegedly ordering disaster relief workers to avoid homes owned by Trump supporters as they worked to clear devastation wreaked on Florida by Hurricane Milton.

00:57:42.000 Remember when the media lied about that and said it wasn't happening?

00:57:46.000 Then you end up with an interview where the woman said, well, I mean, if someone feels uneasy and they don't want to go to that house, you know, they can't. 0.65

00:57:52.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98

00:57:54.000 It's so ridiculous. 1.00

00:57:55.000 I can't believe that they actually make that argument. 0.97

00:57:58.000 Like, oh, well, you know, they're literally, it was the people on the ground.

00:58:04.000 Like, come on.

00:58:06.000 Your house is underwater and they feel unsafe going there to try to help out a fellow American.

00:58:10.000 Oh, yeah, the Trump sign.

00:58:11.000 It's insane. 0.91

00:58:12.000 It's insane.

00:58:15.000 Well, I just think, I think that these kind of things are, they happen so regularly and the bias from the media is, it's not, look, in the early aughts, it was like, oh, well, you know, there is a left-wing bias in the media.

00:58:31.000 It's because they're based in cities and the people live in cities and so they have city kind of...

00:58:39.000 And the difference isn't really intentional.

00:58:43.000 Because you wanted to believe that you weren't being propagandized.

00:58:48.000 And honestly, you wanted to believe that people of the opposing political opinions weren't actually being targeted and attacked.

00:58:55.000 But then, when Barack Obama had the IRS scandal, the Lois Lerner scandal, when they were targeting conservatives, and then every single, you know, You know, legacy media outlet went all in on Donald Trump's a Nazi and they all were doing the, you know, the very fine people hoax and all that stuff.

00:59:17.000 It's not only did it become undeniable, it became common knowledge, but they were doing they were doing the whole, you know, like social distance said, like, they're lying.

00:59:27.000 We know they're lying.

00:59:28.000 And they know that we know we're lying.

00:59:30.000 And yet they keep lying.

00:59:32.000 And now with the USAID stuff and all the Doge uncoveries.

00:59:36.000 We know that they were being paid.

00:59:38.000 And I know there are people that are going to say, oh, well, you know, they weren't being paid.

00:59:42.000 They weren't or they weren't getting, you know, just getting free money.

00:59:45.000 They were buying, you know, buying subscriptions and blah, blah, blah.

00:59:49.000 Yeah, but they were still making tons of money off of the government.

00:59:53.000 Well, where do you think all this goes?

00:59:56.000 Do you think Elon is going to stop anytime soon?

00:59:59.000 I hear the rumor going around now that they're just going to gut all the departments, all the agencies.

01:00:04.000 Look, I don't know how far alone is going to go.

01:00:05.000 I'm certainly a huge supporter of this kind of accountability.

01:00:09.000 But I was thinking, just as you guys were speaking about the media, and I hate to invoke my age, but I'm old enough to remember what the media used to be like and what the media is today.

01:00:20.000 And I think what saddens me is there's so much disinformation, there's so much fake news that I think young people have lost all trust in the media.

01:00:31.000 I think to be skeptical today, to be a critical thinker today, is what will make America great.

01:00:38.000 What I worry about is because we've lost so much faith in mainstream media and their reporting and their ideological agendas, is that it is now so easy to be influenced by conspiracy theories, to go down rabbit holes, to start to accept things that...

01:00:57.000 I don't believe anybody.

01:00:59.000 I don't believe anything.

01:01:00.000 Our government is evil.

01:01:02.000 And from our government is evil to America is evil is not a far leap.

01:01:07.000 So for that reason, I mean, great to have shows like this one.

01:01:11.000 I mean, the explosion of social media, of podcasts, of opportunities for people to go and get another perspective.

01:01:19.000 It's no longer the days of Walter Cronkite, where Walter Cronkite declared one thing, and that was the universal truth.

01:01:26.000 And it's certainly not the days of where now the New York Times, the paper of record, it's no longer the paper of record because I think it has delegitimized itself.

01:01:35.000 I agree completely.

01:01:37.000 As have, you know, as the Washington Post, I think the Washington Post is even a more egregious example of this than the New York Times.

01:01:42.000 Democracy dies in the darkness.

01:01:43.000 Well, so do subscribers when you're not reporting the truth.

01:01:47.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 But I do worry about where this is taking us as a nation where, you know, we no longer believe anything we hear.

01:01:54.000 And I think it's very easy to go from that to we no longer have faith in our own country.

01:01:58.000 Speaking of skepticism...

01:01:59.000 Let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial.

01:02:01.000 Anna Paulina Luna believes there were two shooters in JFK assassination. 0.91

01:02:05.000 Oh boy!

01:02:06.000 We were originally going to lead with this because it's massive.

01:02:10.000 You know what's really remarkable to me?

01:02:11.000 I mean, let me start by saying we got a couple of big stories here.

01:02:16.000 We got Daily Mail saying, FBI uncovers hidden JFK assassination files after Trump orders full evidence release.

01:02:21.000 I don't believe it for a second.

01:02:22.000 They knew they existed.

01:02:23.000 They just weren't disclosing they existed until Trump's making them do it.

01:02:26.000 But in my lifetime, you weren't allowed to question the JFK assassination.

01:02:31.000 How dare you?

01:02:32.000 Oliver Stone got a lot of hell when he made the JFK movie further.

01:02:36.000 Yeah, right.

01:02:36.000 And then we sat down with Dr. Paul, Dr. Ron Paul, and he said it was the CIA. And we were like, wow.

01:02:44.000 Well, right away.

01:02:45.000 And I believe when we sat down with RFK Jr., he said the same thing, didn't he?

01:02:50.000 Yeah, he did.

01:02:50.000 So in our lifetimes, we have shifted dramatically from the how dare you question the narrative to it's widely accepted that this was an inside job to take out a president that had been causing problems.

01:03:02.000 And there were a lot of special interests that wanted to see this man lose his life.

01:03:06.000 Well, in a press conference, Rep.

01:03:09.000 Anna Paulina Luna said this.

01:03:14.000 Our first investigation will be announced, but it's going to be covering on a thorough investigation into the John F. Kennedy assassination.

01:03:21.000 And I can tell you, based on what I've been seeing so far, the initial hearing that was actually held here in Congress was actually faulty in the single-bolt theory.

01:03:30.000 I believe that there were two shooters.

01:03:32.000 And we should be finding more information as we are...

01:03:39.000 Now, I believe she's also getting roasted by many on the left because she mentioned something about wanting to bring in the Warren Commission.

01:03:45.000 Did you see that video?

01:03:46.000 Of which they're dead.

01:03:48.000 There's no one left.

01:03:49.000 I think the last person died in 2006 or whatever.

01:03:54.000 I'm just assuming she misspoke or is just incorrect, but that's okay.

01:03:58.000 I'm curious to see what they uncover from these documents, and I think largely the reason Democrats are singling out one misstatement or whatever is because they don't want to address the meat and potatoes here.

01:04:09.000 That is, there are a lot of documents.

01:04:12.000 Trump ordered them to be released, then offered up the pen to RFK Jr. that he used to sign the order, and everybody, oh man.

01:04:22.000 Insert conspiracy theory.

01:04:24.000 They believe they're going to find what they want.

01:04:27.000 Of course.

01:04:27.000 The UFO people are like, oh, I bet the documents...

01:04:30.000 It was aliens.

01:04:30.000 It was aliens the whole time.

01:04:32.000 And then, of course, you've got the Israel people who are like, it's the documents.

01:04:36.000 They're going to claim it was Israel.

01:04:38.000 It was the Jews. 0.99

01:04:39.000 It was the Jews. 0.99

01:04:40.000 But that's legit.

01:04:41.000 There are people who are saying that the documents are being only covered up because of Israel's involvement.

01:04:46.000 It's going to include them.

01:04:47.000 I think likely what we're going to find is there were very many groups.

01:04:51.000 That we're interested in this.

01:04:52.000 And I think the most likely reason for a cover-up is government involvement.

01:04:57.000 Yeah, so my tertiary understanding, after the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy was like, maybe the CIA is not all that, and maybe we should think about...

01:05:08.000 Disbanding or significant cuts or whatever, and CIA didn't like that.

01:05:12.000 He didn't say he was going to splinter them into the wind?

01:05:16.000 Scatter them into the wind?

01:05:18.000 Does that wrap up what your sense is, Mark?

01:05:21.000 Do you have an opinion on this?

01:05:23.000 Look, I don't know.

01:05:25.000 I mean, obviously, I'm also, again, old enough to remember Oliver Stone and his film and the conspiracy theories that we all grew up with.

01:05:31.000 I mean, I think many of us didn't believe there was one shooter, and many of us believed that there were, you know, whether it was angry Cubans or the mafia or the Soviets.

01:05:45.000 I would just like to say this.

01:05:47.000 I hope to God that...

01:05:49.000 It doesn't demonstrate that it was an inside job.

01:05:51.000 I hope to God the U.S. government was not involved.

01:05:53.000 I hope to God the CIA was not involved in the assassination of a U.S. president because I think that will rock this country.

01:06:01.000 Do you think so?

01:06:03.000 I think so.

01:06:04.000 I mean we were talking earlier about just my fear that this sort of new generation of Americans is not proud, is not patriotic, doesn't love this country, is skeptical about their government.

01:06:18.000 And I just think that if that becomes true and that the CIA was involved in killing JFK, I mean, I think we are—I don't know if as a country we recover from that.

01:06:29.000 Do you have a sense of what people believe now?

01:06:32.000 Like, I know obviously nothing's confirmed.

01:06:34.000 And the reason I say this is because there's been a long time where people were talking about UFOs, right?

01:06:40.000 And UFOs were, you know, something that the government didn't comment on, etc., etc.

01:06:45.000 Now it's come out that, hey, look.

01:06:48.000 They've changed the name.

01:06:49.000 They're UAPs or whatever.

01:06:50.000 But they talk about them openly.

01:06:52.000 And some of them, they say, we don't know what these are, blah, blah, blah, etc.

01:06:56.000 And the American people are kind of just like, yeah, we know.

01:06:59.000 And I feel like that might, I feel like that would be the sense from at least most young people.

01:07:06.000 Like if it was like, oh, CIA did it.

01:07:08.000 Yeah, we know.

01:07:09.000 I mean, if you have a different outlook— I think it's one thing to have a theory of the case based on your own views, your own ideologies.

01:07:19.000 I think it's another thing for the U.S. government to release information after all these years that demonstrates that the CIA was responsible for the assassination of the U.S. president.

01:07:28.000 I worry about our country if that's true.

01:07:32.000 Hypothetically.

01:07:32.000 Me too, and I think it's true.

01:07:35.000 Hypothetically.

01:07:36.000 What happens?

01:07:37.000 What does the Trump administration do if that turns out to be the evidence?

01:07:44.000 Look, I think part of the problem with this whole issue has been the lack of transparency over decades, which has fed so many conspiracy theories.

01:07:54.000 And I think the Trump administration is right to finally disclose this to the American people.

01:07:58.000 And now, if it's true, again, I'm skeptical, but if it's true, we're going to have to reckon with this.

01:08:05.000 Quite possibly one of the ugliest episodes in American history.

01:08:09.000 Do you shut down Langley?

01:08:10.000 Do you?

01:08:11.000 I mean, because...

01:08:12.000 And I gotta say, there's a strong incentive for Trump to want this to be true.

01:08:17.000 Considering what happened with him, with the 51 Intel officers who said the laptop and all that stuff, maybe the real reason Trump is like we're declassifying the JFK files is that you are going to find either...

01:08:29.000 Willful negligence?

01:08:30.000 At minimum, there's going to be some implication, I think, for government failure.

01:08:35.000 And you can go the official route and say, how did they allow this guy to get a shot off on Kennedy?

01:08:40.000 Or you can go to the most extreme end, saying it was quite literally the CIA that orchestrated the whole thing.

01:08:45.000 Either way, it looks like it'll be damaging.

01:08:47.000 Trump could use that damaging to say, we need an overhaul of this agency, an agency that largely targeted him.

01:08:53.000 That's revenge.

01:08:54.000 Look, I've always...

01:08:55.000 What's always possible to me about...

01:08:56.000 I'm not an expert on JFK assassination, but...

01:08:59.000 So Lee Harvey Oswald is the single shooter, kills JFK. Jack Ruby, who works for the mob, kills Lee Harvey Oswald and goes to jail for the rest of his life and never breathes a word.

01:09:14.000 And it just always fascinated me.

01:09:16.000 I mean, Lee Harvey Oswald took out...

01:09:18.000 I mean, Ruby took out Lee Harvey Oswald?

01:09:21.000 Why?

01:09:22.000 Right.

01:09:23.000 Why did he not want him to testify and publicize the involvement of somebody in that assassination?

01:09:32.000 It's always fascinated me and puzzled.

01:09:34.000 Well, he didn't go to jail for, I mean, you can say jail for the rest of his life, but he died right away.

01:09:39.000 In jail, right?

01:09:40.000 What is it?

01:09:41.000 He died that year.

01:09:43.000 Interesting.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, he died in 67. Yeah.

01:09:46.000 So, I mean, that's always intrigued me.

01:09:47.000 But again, I just want to get back to this.

01:09:49.000 Several years later, sorry.

01:09:50.000 Trump may have an incentive.

01:09:51.000 Trump may want to, you know, go after the CIA for the things that were done against Trump.

01:09:56.000 And certainly there are, you know, 51, as you say, senior intel officials who not only deserve to have their security clearances revoked, which he did.

01:10:03.000 Yeah, I think.

01:10:04.000 Should have their reputations permanently damaged.

01:10:06.000 They should be prosecuted.

01:10:08.000 Let's just, let's just.

01:10:09.000 But having said that, I do think the CIA performs an important.

01:10:12.000 Service in defense of America.

01:10:14.000 I think the FBI performs an important service in defense of America.

01:10:18.000 I think U.S. military...

01:10:19.000 I do not.

01:10:20.000 I don't want to see these institutions gone.

01:10:21.000 I think it's dangerous for our country.

01:10:23.000 I do want to see...

01:10:25.000 What does the FBI do?

01:10:26.000 A massive overhaul.

01:10:28.000 FBI? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:29.000 You said FBI. I'm going to tell you, certainly...

01:10:35.000 We can take the Kash Patel route and say these people should be enforcing the law. 0.91

01:10:39.000 Go out and fight crime.

01:10:40.000 That's what you should be doing.

01:10:41.000 But they're operating like it's COINTELPRO. What is the CIA doing?

01:10:46.000 Why is our – what benefit – let me put it this way.

01:10:51.000 There is a country, the United States.

01:10:53.000 The vision for this country and the perception of this nation in the minds of the people for a long time has been that it is the will of the people through a constitutional republic.

01:11:02.000 That the structures of government will abide by what the people largely vote for, who the representatives they send to Washington and to their states, to their capitals.

01:11:10.000 That's what it's supposed to be.

01:11:12.000 For the longest time, the CIA took it upon itself to do what it thinks is right.

01:11:16.000 And the American people have no idea.

01:11:18.000 It's become a zombie state.

01:11:20.000 So if you were to make the argument, the CIA does good to protect this country.

01:11:24.000 No, the CIA does good to protect the CIA. The CIA has interests.

01:11:27.000 The FBI has interests.

01:11:28.000 The NSA have interests.

01:11:30.000 The American people do not agree with those interests.

01:11:32.000 If the CIA, FBI, the intel agencies were actually operating under what the American people wanted, we would have a secure southern border and no war in Ukraine.

01:11:40.000 Instead, what we get the whole time is the CIA protecting only itself and what it perceives, the people in the CIA and the FBI, what they perceive to be the right thing to do.

01:11:50.000 If the American people vote...

01:11:52.000 To shut down the petrodollar, resulting in a unipolar communist Chinese party state, the American people voted for it. 0.96

01:11:58.000 I do not believe we should live in a country where a deep state bureaucracy operating behind the scenes dictates for us what it thinks we should get.

01:12:08.000 And that's what we've got in our whole lives.

01:12:11.000 Maybe that means we lose.

01:12:13.000 Well, that's what America is, and that's what America is supposed to be. 0.54

01:12:16.000 And I do not accept that we should be a nation of secret institutions guiding the blind American public into war and conflict because it's the best thing for them, so say I, the secret cabal of individuals working in intelligence.

01:12:30.000 The American people voted for Donald Trump.

01:12:32.000 They want these institutions brought to heel.

01:12:34.000 They want a secure southern border.

01:12:36.000 And it's about time we got it.

01:12:37.000 And if that means these corrupt institutions that largely only believe in themselves stop doing what will make Americans prosperous, will stop making us the big name all around the world, whatever it may be, American people never wanted that.

01:12:50.000 American people never wanted to be at war in Ukraine, never wanted to be at war in Israel, never wanted to be at war in Afghanistan, never wanted to go to war in these places.

01:12:58.000 But thanks to the corrupt...

01:13:00.000 Unelected bureaucrats and intelligence, that's what we got the whole time for the entirety of my life.

01:13:05.000 Tim, can I just say something?

01:13:06.000 I actually think it's worse than that because I think the reason we have a southern border that's not secure, the reason that we went to war against Russia, the reason that we went to war against Iraq and against Afghanistan is not because of a deep state.

01:13:24.000 debate is because elected officials decided on a policy decision to do that.

01:13:31.000 Joe Biden decided to open up the southern border.

01:13:34.000 Joe Biden decided to- I don't believe that for a second.

01:13:37.000 I mean, at the end of the day, you know, there was some American, I think it was, I can't remember actually who it was, it was an American politician who said, you know, you get the politicians you deserve, right?

01:13:49.000 And the American people have elected.

01:13:52.000 Presidents who've made terrible decisions that have undermined American national security.

01:13:56.000 Now, does that mean that these security agencies, the CIA, the FBI, and others should not be brought to heel?

01:14:01.000 Does that mean they should not be held accountable?

01:14:04.000 Does that mean that corrupt officials should not be fired?

01:14:07.000 Absolutely.

01:14:07.000 Absolutely not.

01:14:08.000 They should be.

01:14:09.000 They need to be.

01:14:10.000 And I think Donald Trump and his appointees are going to do this.

01:14:13.000 And we elected a Donald Trump in 2016. Right.

01:14:15.000 And the CIA colluded and conspired to destroy this man.

01:14:20.000 And now we've re-elected Donald Trump, and now he has the opportunity and should have the authority to do everything necessary in order to make sure that doesn't happen again.

01:14:31.000 Shatter the CIA and splinter it into the wind.

01:14:32.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 I guess maybe I'm old-fashioned here, and I've said that a few times this evening.

01:14:36.000 But I do believe that there are serious, patriotic, hardworking men and women in these agencies who committed their life to defend us and defend our country.

01:14:46.000 I mean, the fact of the matter is we have enemies.

01:14:49.000 We have enemies abroad who want to destroy our way of life. 0.82

01:14:52.000 The Chinese Communist Party, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Putin in Russia, the North Koreans, and their enablers around the world, including Sunni jihadists and Shiite jihadist groups who want to destroy us and bring 9-11s over and over again. 0.96

01:15:07.000 We need people who are going to defend us, and brave patriots have stood up for decades to defend this country, and those people are still hard at work.

01:15:15.000 The problem is...

01:15:16.000 And you're absolutely right.

01:15:17.000 There are political appointments that have been made of people in these agencies who have undermined our democracy and undermined our elected officials.

01:15:26.000 There are elected officials who've come in and have made terrible decisions for our country and for our people that have cost lives and cost treasure.

01:15:33.000 And I think we should welcome this administration holding all of these agencies accountable, doing what they do, and let the Democrats freak out and let the radical left freak out.

01:15:43.000 That's fine.

01:15:44.000 Changes need to be made.

01:15:45.000 I guess at the end of the day, I'm just not a rip it all down kind of person.

01:15:50.000 Rebuild it.

01:15:51.000 I think you're going to be left with no institutions to defend us.

01:15:55.000 And I think our enemies abroad are just waiting for the opportunity to strike a blow at a And I completely agree. 1.00

01:16:04.000 And I blame the CIA, the FBI and the other intelligence agencies.

01:16:07.000 How about when Eric Chiaramella filed that complaint against Donald Trump and Vindman brought it forward?

01:16:13.000 This is CIA agents lying to the American people about what Joe Biden was doing with Burisma.

01:16:18.000 And you know what?

01:16:19.000 I know it's only surface level, but I'm going to say it again.

01:16:21.000 The American people have a right to know.

01:16:24.000 To a great degree, what is going on with our government and why we are involved in foreign countries.

01:16:29.000 Joe Biden flies to Ukraine.

01:16:31.000 His son's involved in an energy company, largely presumably having to do with the Gazprom gas monopolies.

01:16:36.000 I bring it up 800 million times.

01:16:38.000 So the U.S. Through the CIA, with the CIA counterterrorism director on the board of Burisma, along with the president's son, is trying to operate in what they call American interest, despite the fact the American people reject it outright.

01:16:50.000 And when Joe Biden flies over there, right after his son called, saying, please help, the prosecutor in Ukraine is investigating the founder of the company that we're using as a CIA front to go up against the gas monopoly, because we want to build a pipeline through Qatar and Turkey.

01:17:03.000 I'm not going to get into all of it.

01:17:04.000 Let me put it this way.

01:17:05.000 The American people do not want to be involved in Ukraine, do not want the vice president flying to Ukraine and offering a billion dollars in loan guarantees for any reason.

01:17:12.000 No matter what the American people say, they keep doing it.

01:17:16.000 And when Donald Trump got elected by the will of the people through the electoral system.

01:17:21.000 The CIA, not just through the whistleblowers falsely accusing Trump of wrongdoing, but through these intel officers who lied to the press, and now the email's been released where they said they were doing it to assist Joe Biden with a talking point during a debate.

01:17:36.000 This is the intelligence agencies conspiring and committing sedition against the American people. 0.99

01:17:42.000 If I live in my house and I want to operate in my house as I see fit, Police should not be able to walk into my house and tell me I have to live the way they want because I'm wrong and stupid. 0.98

01:17:54.000 The American people voted for a secure border for our jobs. 0.97

01:17:58.000 We are tired of the extraction.

01:17:59.000 We are tired of our jobs being sent to China and to Mexico.

01:18:02.000 We are tired of seeing Michigan be gutted and destroyed.

01:18:04.000 We are tired of seeing, as Ro Khanna described it, this leftist globalist dream, a multicultural dream of bringing in all of these people to create this multicultural utopia, which failed.

01:18:16.000 That's Ro Khanna's words.

01:18:17.000 And it left the middle class gutted.

01:18:19.000 But for some reason, my entire life, no matter how many times we said, no more war, no matter how many times we said, stop sending our jobs overseas.

01:18:27.000 They kept doing it.

01:18:28.000 And then Donald Trump gets elected.

01:18:30.000 Why?

01:18:30.000 Well, Bernie Sanders was the first choice for a lot of people.

01:18:33.000 He was the guy saying, we've got to secure the border.

01:18:36.000 It's the Koch brothers who want the free trade.

01:18:38.000 They want the illegal immigration to come in so they can pay him pennies on the dollar. 0.96

01:18:42.000 Donald Trump was saying a lot of similar things.

01:18:43.000 In the 2015-2016 cycle, the media was comparing Trump and Bernie.

01:18:47.000 Bernie got crushed by the DNC. They forced him out.

01:18:51.000 He bends the knee and gives into the machine, and now he makes no sense, and Donald Trump wins.

01:18:55.000 He wasn't supposed to win.

01:18:57.000 So what happens?

01:18:58.000 Intel agents conspire against Donald Trump, along with powerful interests at law firms in D.C., to destroy what the American people voted for.

01:19:07.000 And that's why I agree.

01:19:09.000 There are men and women at the CIA and FBI who are deep, patriotic Americans.

01:19:13.000 I know they exist.

01:19:14.000 I've met some of them.

01:19:15.000 I've met them years ago.

01:19:16.000 I talked to a guy who worked at Intel in D.C., and he said, You know, there are a lot of people in these departments and these agencies who love Trump and want to see him succeed.

01:19:25.000 And then I said, but is your department being run by these deep state bureaucratic elements?

01:19:32.000 And the response I got was, it's the same inside as it is outside.

01:19:36.000 And at the time, woke was law.

01:19:39.000 Nobody wanted to speak up.

01:19:40.000 So the people at the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, all the other intelligence agencies, of which I believe there's 17, the people who like Trump wouldn't speak up in his defense.

01:19:50.000 Certainly I think many of those people are good, but here's the problem now.

01:19:53.000 Trump's in office.

01:19:53.000 He's going to have to go to each one of these agencies and say, for one, with the FBI, he's looking to terminate a bunch of them.

01:19:59.000 Why?

01:20:00.000 What is it, like 40% of FBI agents were hunting down J6ers? 1.00

01:20:06.000 I mean that is absolutely insane considering we had thousands of far leftists across this country ransacking everything in the George Floyd riots.

01:20:13.000 Trump sent out a memo that got leaked, or a memo was sent out, I think it was from Trump, saying, we don't believe you can uphold the Constitution and do your duty because of the biased political actions you took during the Biden administration.

01:20:26.000 I completely agree.

01:20:27.000 Trump's going to have to—that's why they said, tell us who was involved in this.

01:20:31.000 They turned over 5,000 names.

01:20:33.000 Judges and Democrats are desperately trying to stop that.

01:20:36.000 Why?

01:20:37.000 These institutions are majority deeply corrupt.

01:20:40.000 You either have the banality of evil or evil.

01:20:43.000 There certainly may be good patriotic FBI agents who sat by and watched as corrupt institutions went after the president in the most corrupt ways and hunted down nonviolent protesters.

01:20:54.000 You want to complain about the violent people in J6?

01:20:57.000 Please do so.

01:20:57.000 I think if you hit a cop, you deserve jail.

01:20:59.000 But what about the people who are walking around on the grass?

01:21:02.000 What about Owen Schroyer?

01:21:04.000 So those FBI agents go after those people while other agents sat back and watched.

01:21:08.000 That is not the kind of person I want upholding my constitution or at least pretending to.

01:21:13.000 Donald Trump's going to have to go into these institutions in whatever way he can, shatter them, splinter them into the wind, and maybe we can rebuild them.

01:21:23.000 Maybe if we get Pam Bondi and Kash Patel start going through and firing all of these people that were complicit in this corruption and the targeting of the American people.

01:21:33.000 Maybe then we can actually have a resurgence of deep patriotic Americans in Intel we can trust.

01:21:40.000 But let me just finalize this January 6th point.

01:21:44.000 The American people voted for Donald Trump.

01:21:46.000 It is a fact, a fact, that Intel officers lied to the press for the purpose of benefiting Joe Biden, lied about the Hunter Biden laptop story, which would have benefited Donald Trump, lied about what Trump's involvement was in the Burisma scandal because Trump discovered Joe Biden broke the law with a quid pro quo.

01:22:03.000 And CIA agents conspired to blame Trump for that and impeach him, damaging his image.

01:22:09.000 The FBI raided his home over a spattering of random documents in memo boxes that he had while ignoring that Joe Biden did substantially worse.

01:22:18.000 Admittedly, Joe Biden said on recording he did it to make money.

01:22:22.000 He said, I want these documents to make a book so I can make money.

01:22:25.000 And his ghostwriter tried to delete the evidence.

01:22:27.000 The FBI did nothing to go after these people.

01:22:29.000 The FBI did not go after the far leftists who firebombed the White House.

01:22:33.000 No.

01:22:33.000 The FBI went after the people who protested in D.C. angry that the intelligence agencies were trying to gut this country.

01:22:40.000 These people are evil. 1.00

01:22:42.000 We live under a deep state bureaucracy, or we did, where these people say, you Americans are stupid, you're morons, and if we actually enacted policy the way you wanted it, China or whatever country would crush us, and then we'd get 9-11s all over again, whatever it may be. 1.00

01:22:59.000 So the simple point is, the American people should be the ones dictating what we want. 0.99

01:23:04.000 We should not have a secret unelected bureau deciding how the government should be run, using the press, and lying to the American people so they can do whatever they want.

01:23:13.000 As it turns out, through USAID, the State Department, and other NGOs, they are basically using the system to their benefit while they extract from us our value, our working class, our morals, our cultures, and it leaves us with nothing.

01:23:27.000 We are left now.

01:23:29.000 With a listless generation of lazy individuals who don't want to work, who are supporting communism, who are so overweight they're injecting themselves with a drug because they can't stop eating.

01:23:40.000 This country has become deeply sick, and now for once in my life I see something truly amazing.

01:23:46.000 RFK Jr. And what happens?

01:23:47.000 The entirety of the Democrats try to shut him down.

01:23:49.000 Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, this has been absolutely fantastic what we're seeing, and now Trump's going to have to go in and make sure he shatters out the corruption.

01:23:58.000 And maybe then, as I said, he can rebuild it.

01:24:01.000 Sorry, everybody.

01:24:01.000 Rant over.

01:24:02.000 Hey, Tim, let me just say one thing.

01:24:04.000 We're talking about 80-20.

01:24:05.000 I mean, I agree with 80% of what you said.

01:24:07.000 We can quibble over the 20. But I think the important thing to focus on, in addition to that, is we have real enemies abroad who want to destroy our country and our way of life. 0.54

01:24:18.000 And they are—and let's just not whitewash this.

01:24:22.000 There's Vladimir Putin in Moscow.

01:24:24.000 There's Ali Khamenei in Tehran.

01:24:26.000 There's the Kim family in Pyongyang. 0.74

01:24:28.000 And most importantly in Beijing is Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party.

01:24:33.000 What I as an American want to do is I want to support allies who are willing to fight and die in their own defense against common enemies.

01:24:41.000 I don't think there's going to be much dispute.

01:24:43.000 Maybe there will be that Israel is a good ally, a good democratic ally fighting against common enemies.

01:24:48.000 It's not asking for U.S. troops.

01:24:50.000 We can talk about military aid.

01:24:52.000 I think you and I probably agree we can taper that off over the years, even though at the end of the day, the Israelis are spending all of that military aid in the United States on U.S. companies and U.S. jobs.

01:25:01.000 But I think Israel is a great ally, and I think I wish we had more allies like Israel around the world fighting the Islamic Republic of Iran that has killed Americans, maimed Americans, taken Americans hostage. 1.00

01:25:11.000 And if the Israelis are going to fight against our common enemy using their men and women, their boys and girls, thumbs up, great ally.

01:25:18.000 This will be more controversial with you, given what you said.

01:25:21.000 With everything you said about the corruption in Joe Biden and Ukraine, the Ukrainians are fighting against Vladimir Putin.

01:25:29.000 And it's cost a huge number of Ukrainian lives, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men and women against a brutal enemy that has used force without compunction and deliberately targeted Ukrainian civilians.

01:25:44.000 And the Ukrainians have been fighting the Russian military, an enemy of the United States with no American soldiers.

01:25:50.000 No American soldiers have lost their lives.

01:25:52.000 That's not a bad ally.

01:25:53.000 That's a bit manipulative, I would say.

01:25:55.000 You think so?

01:25:56.000 Why?

01:25:56.000 Well, there are American individuals who are operating as volunteers, and there's U.S. special forces on the ground.

01:26:01.000 So to a large degree, I think it's fair to say U.S. boots are not on the ground in an official capacity, but U.S. personnel are operating in Ukraine as private contractors and volunteers, and that's just to get around the fact that Congress hasn't declared war since World War II. So when the U.S. is providing the weapons, the intelligence, and...

01:26:21.000 And telling them when to press the buttons, but we're using the Ukrainian people as drafted cannon fodder, I wouldn't necessarily praise what's going on. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Well, no, that's fair enough.

01:26:30.000 And we can have a whole discussion about, and I think it is about time for the Ukrainian war, long past the time the Ukrainian war to end.

01:26:36.000 And I think Donald Trump is taking exactly the right approach by saying Vladimir Putin, we can do a deal.

01:26:41.000 I got Zelensky on board. 0.97

01:26:42.000 Do a deal with me or I'm going to punch you in the face, quote unquote, right?

01:26:45.000 But at the end of the day, I don't believe any Americans have died fighting in Ukraine, and that is the kind of ally that we want.

01:26:54.000 So if the Ukrainians and the Israelis are going to fight American enemies, and we're not going to lose American men and women in that fight the way we did in Iraq and in Afghanistan and Vietnam and other wars.

01:27:04.000 I think at the end of the day— Why would we want Ukraine as an ally?

01:27:07.000 Well, I'd rather have Ukraine as an ally fighting Russia and preventing the Russians from taking over Eastern Europe, from taking over Poland and Lithuania. 0.83

01:27:15.000 Why would Russia go near Poland or Lithuania?

01:27:19.000 Well, Putin has said— Very clearly, and he says it at length and he says it often, that he wants to rebuild and resurrect the Russian Empire.

01:27:29.000 Sure.

01:27:29.000 And the Russian Empire does not stop with Ukraine.

01:27:31.000 It goes further.

01:27:32.000 And so, look, I can't read Putin's mind or as George Bush once famously said, I can't see into his soul.

01:27:39.000 I have no idea what his ambitions are except what he has stated.

01:27:42.000 And I'm not a student of history, but I'm an observer of history.

01:27:46.000 And I believe when brutal dictators...

01:27:49.000 Say something.

01:27:50.000 Take them seriously.

01:27:51.000 And he said it.

01:27:52.000 And we should take him seriously.

01:27:53.000 And I do not think we want to send U.S. troops because we will be obligated under treaty to defend our NATO allies under Article 5 if Putin moves into NATO. And God forbid we do that because then American men and women will be dying on the plains of Europe.

01:28:11.000 I don't see indication of that happening right now.

01:28:14.000 I don't think it's happening right now.

01:28:16.000 Number one, because I think the Russian military has taken a serious beating from the Ukrainians. 0.99

01:28:20.000 But when were they ever going to go into Lithuania or these other countries?

01:28:23.000 So if Putin had done what Putin had intended to do and what his intelligence community told him he could do, if he had moved in and taken Kiev in three days and moved into Ukraine without a significant cost, if you take him at his word, I'm not saying you should, but if you take him at his word, he was going to go further.

01:28:44.000 And at some point, he was going to be on the NATO border.

01:28:48.000 And then the question would be— He's on the NATO border.

01:28:51.000 No, no.

01:28:52.000 And he would have moved into NATO and at some point— Kaliningrad borders two of these countries as it is.

01:28:56.000 Look, at some point we would have been— And the Baltic.

01:28:58.000 No, I hear you.

01:28:58.000 But what we want to avoid at all costs, okay, is an invasion of a NATO country that obligates us under treaty.

01:29:06.000 To send men and U.S. men and women to defend these countries under Article 5. Sure, then we want to avoid that.

01:29:12.000 What we should have done is not gotten involved in a Ukrainian conflict in which we are not allies, nor are they in NATO. They're not in NATO. They're not EU. And all we've done is convince Russia, as they've now stated over and over again, they're at war with NATO already because of our involvement.

01:29:24.000 It is the U.S. military weapons and intelligence under the asking Ukrainian to press the button guys that sunk the Russian. 0.88

01:29:39.000 I should say U.S. I want to say NATO. I want to say the EU is involved in this fight over Ukraine's future, whether it's going to be an EU, Schengen's own state, etc., or it's going to be Russian Trade Federation.

01:29:52.000 When Russia says, I will not allow NATO expansion on my border to this degree, we say, well, they're not an ally of ours.

01:29:58.000 Why are we going to get into a war which would create the exact scenario saying we should avoid?

01:30:03.000 If Putin went in and sees the Donbass and Mariupol and all that going down to Crimea and he took control of Crimea largely was the motivating factor because the U.S. influence in Ukraine and them joining the EU would cut off Russia from their Black Sea port.

01:30:17.000 If we didn't get involved in this at all, the war would have been over, as you as you said, in three days.

01:30:22.000 And Russia.

01:30:23.000 Sure, maybe in some hypothetical scenario, we're trying to make a move on Lithuania or something.

01:30:27.000 I think it's strange considering they already border Poland and I think it's Estonia with Kaliningrad and the Baltic.

01:30:34.000 I don't see why they would make that military move directly confronting NATO. If they moved into Ukraine and we did nothing, there'd be no war, there'd be no death.

01:30:41.000 But instead, what we're dealing with now is...

01:30:43.000 You, you, you, this, this goes well beyond just Russia's expansion and some noble effort by the West to stop an evil dictator.

01:30:51.000 Zelensky's not having elections.

01:30:52.000 He won't have them.

01:30:53.000 He's saying he's not going to do it.

01:30:54.000 You've got Joe Biden committing crimes in Ukraine.

01:30:57.000 You've got questions about Hunter Biden and Michael Zaslavsky's involvement in the crimes they committed and why the U.S. government was involved in stopping a prosecutor from investigating corrupt elements.

01:31:06.000 And this goes back.

01:31:08.000 To great geopolitics, and it's not so simple to say illegal, legal, right, wrong.

01:31:13.000 What you have is power structures competing for power.

01:31:15.000 The Western Russia and its allies, they want to say Russia wants to sell gas to Europe.

01:31:21.000 It makes a lot of money.

01:31:22.000 Germany wants to buy it.

01:31:23.000 The US doesn't want them to because it gives Russia more power.

01:31:25.000 So the US and NATO is trying to offset their control, sending natural gas through Ukraine.

01:31:31.000 The US wants to do it.

01:31:32.000 Russia is already doing it. 0.83

01:31:33.000 So the US was trying to gain control politically of Ukraine so they can put controls on Gazprom and cut out their ability to sell gas.

01:31:41.000 Then once they control Ukraine and they cut out Russia from the Black Sea, Russia's ability to sell fuel in the Mediterranean through other nations in North Africa gets shut down and it extremely damages the Russian economy.

01:31:51.000 Russia then says, we're not gonna let you do it.

01:31:53.000 So a war starts in the US gets involved in a conflict.

01:31:54.000 The American people do not want.

01:31:56.000 It has created a potential for World War III. It has convinced the Russian people and the Russian government and their media that they're at war with NATO, not Ukraine, while the American media keeps lying, claiming we're not involved at all, and it's Ukraine doing it.

01:32:08.000 And then you end up with the president of Ukraine refusing to hold elections, coming to the U.S., getting our Congress to fly Ukrainian flags, us spending hundreds of billions of dollars on their war under some strange guise of Putin, maybe Hitler.

01:32:22.000 Putin is not some comic book villain.

01:32:23.000 I do think he's a bit of a...

01:32:25.000 I'll avoid swearing.

01:32:26.000 He's not a good person.

01:32:27.000 I'll put it that way. 0.92

01:32:28.000 He's a very bad person, in my opinion.

01:32:30.000 But I don't think...

01:32:31.000 That justifies why the U.S. is running the risk of Russia actually having an incentive to strike a NATO ally, triggering Article 5 and making us go to war.

01:32:40.000 We shouldn't be involved in Ukraine.

01:32:42.000 The argument is on the surface.

01:32:44.000 Again, I could be wrong.

01:32:45.000 Maybe the intel agencies absolutely do hold classified information in this regard.

01:32:52.000 But on the surface, it's largely, we want cheaper gas into Europe.

01:32:55.000 We want to expand the European economic bloc.

01:32:56.000 Russia makes it more difficult because they control gas into Europe, largely, about 24%.

01:33:01.000 We can't convince Russia to drop the prices.

01:33:03.000 So we tried building a pipeline through Syria.

01:33:05.000 Syria said, no, we're allies with Russia.

01:33:07.000 So then we destabilized the Syrian government, sent troops in without congressional approval, by the way.

01:33:12.000 And I have no idea.

01:33:13.000 Do you guys remember when we announced we dispatched U.S. troops into Syria?

01:33:17.000 How crazy.

01:33:18.000 We end up siding against their government.

01:33:19.000 Their government collapses.

01:33:20.000 The U.S. wants to build the...

01:33:21.000 The next domino to fall is Ukraine. 0.97

01:33:24.000 Let me simplify everything.

01:33:26.000 There is no right.

01:33:27.000 There's no wrong.

01:33:27.000 There's war.

01:33:28.000 They say all is fair and love in war.

01:33:30.000 The issue I take is not with whether or not it's right or wrong to defeat Russia, China, Iran or any of these other countries.

01:33:36.000 The issue I take is the American people are supposed to largely decide. 0.64

01:33:41.000 It's not supposed to be a nation of direct democracy where a random person just says we should do this thing.

01:33:48.000 And then you're like, bro, you have no idea what you're talking about.

01:33:50.000 We're not going to do that.

01:33:51.000 It's supposed to be, as the Founding Fathers envisioned, we elect representatives who keep us informed to the best of our abilities.

01:33:57.000 They have the SCIF. They have classified intelligence.

01:33:59.000 And they try their best to explain to us why we have to do certain things.

01:34:02.000 Instead, what we've got is a largely corrupt state of permanently elected bureaucrat politicians who raise money from special interest groups, never seem to lose elections.

01:34:14.000 Intelligence agencies that when we actually get a popular president defy the will of the people to go against them.

01:34:19.000 If this is what we are fighting to preserve, we're burning down the country and the world as it is.

01:34:24.000 So we've got ourselves an impasse. 0.96

01:34:26.000 We can say this corrupt nation of bureaucracy, garbage and self-infliction and corruption should exist for the sake of itself. 0.96

01:34:34.000 Or we should say the American people should get a grip on what's going on. 0.97

01:34:36.000 We should reassess our priorities, not be involved in these foreign wars.

01:34:39.000 And that may result in Russia gaining more economic power.

01:34:43.000 It may result in China making a move on Taiwan.

01:34:46.000 I don't see how we are served as a country by having open borders, weak generations who don't want to do work, don't have kids, and then we dump our funds into ridiculous USAID programs.

01:34:58.000 We have intelligence agencies backing all of that up. 0.65

01:35:01.000 Democrat politicians panicked that our slush fund into ridiculous gender studies NGOs. 1.00

01:35:07.000 I mean, this is abject corruption.

01:35:09.000 I would liken what the United States is right now to a Jackson Pollock painting.

01:35:14.000 No one can make heads or tails of why any of it is happening or why it should exist.

01:35:19.000 We need to get a hold on all of this.

01:35:20.000 And it starts with saying, secure our borders, bring back our jobs, have a moral resurgence.

01:35:25.000 We want people to get back to work.

01:35:26.000 We want them to understand the value of hard work.

01:35:28.000 We want people to have families.

01:35:29.000 We want them to understand what it means to have moral tradition and believe in the American culture and the American dream.

01:35:35.000 Once we can reassess...

01:35:37.000 And rebuild what America is supposed to be.

01:35:40.000 Maybe then we can be a player on the grand stage.

01:35:42.000 The way I see it right now is with Donald Trump and with Biden, Clinton, Obama, whatever it is, you have two visions of what the world is going to be.

01:35:49.000 And the Obama, Biden, Clinton system that was being built was America doesn't matter.

01:35:55.000 It's an economic block.

01:35:57.000 We are going to build power.

01:35:59.000 And effectively, they created an extra national entity of military intelligence power.

01:36:04.000 Donald Trump's system is the United States is breaking apart.

01:36:07.000 It's not going to be sustainable.

01:36:09.000 And eventually we will get World War III most likely.

01:36:13.000 And the war that I blame Biden for in Eastern Europe, which is exacerbating this, not to mention it's spreading with North Korea getting involved now.

01:36:22.000 We have the makings of potential World War III. Donald Trump's vision seems to be, let's make America functional.

01:36:29.000 Get our young people back to work. 0.94

01:36:31.000 Work is not a bad thing.

01:36:32.000 It's a good thing.

01:36:33.000 Build up a great nation.

01:36:34.000 Build culture.

01:36:35.000 Once we are strong, we can build powerful economic ties around the world, which can prevent the collapse of these nations into war.

01:36:42.000 Yeah, but there's one other element of Trump's strategy, which I think is worth highlighting, and I think this is why a lot of Americans voted for him, because he absolutely believes in peace through strength.

01:36:56.000 Strength at home, strength abroad.

01:36:58.000 And I think Americans saw that under Biden, completely agree with you, under Obama, we were heading to World War III. The world was unraveling.

01:37:07.000 Our enemies were emboldened, whether it was Eastern Europe, the Middle East, or the Indo-Pacific.

01:37:12.000 And I think what Trump has come in and said is, don't mess with me and the United States of America.

01:37:18.000 I don't want to go to war.

01:37:19.000 I don't want to send American soldiers abroad.

01:37:21.000 But I will use American military power if you test me.

01:37:25.000 And I think that's exactly the message we should be sending.

01:37:27.000 Not that we are withdrawing from the world.

01:37:29.000 Not that we are not going to be involved in the world.

01:37:32.000 But we're not going to waste blood and treasure over wars that don't advance the American interest.

01:37:37.000 But we are absolutely a powerful country with a powerful economy and a powerful military.

01:37:42.000 So dictators around the world, Vladimir Putin, Ali Khamenei, the Kim family, Xi Jinping, Zelensky.

01:37:49.000 Well, listen, we can talk about Zelensky, but at the end of the day, I don't put Zelensky in the axis of aggressors.

01:37:55.000 I think there are four main members of the axis of aggressors, and they are Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea.

01:38:01.000 And then we've got a bunch of allies.

01:38:03.000 Some are great allies.

01:38:04.000 Some are awful allies.

01:38:06.000 Some are imperfect allies.

01:38:07.000 But at the end of the day, they're still allies.

01:38:10.000 And Donald Trump is saying to the axis of aggressors.

01:38:13.000 Don't mess with the United States of America.

01:38:15.000 And I think that's restoring pride in our country. 0.99

01:38:18.000 I think it means that we don't have to fight stupid wars because they fear Donald Trump in ways that they didn't fear Joe Biden. 0.99

01:38:25.000 I agree. 0.96

01:38:26.000 And I think largely this just means if we don't get a handle on what our intel agencies and our law enforcement institutions are doing, if Trump can't get confidence that they'll operate under the – as to the will of the American people, we'll never get any of that.

01:38:42.000 You want to hit a point before we go to Super Chats?

01:38:45.000 To add to the point, I think you're right, but I think that part of what needs to happen, because he needs to have...

01:38:51.000 The bureaucracy needs to be something that the administration can trust.

01:38:55.000 That's why we need to have the president be able to fire people and put in the people that he wants. 0.99

01:38:59.000 Agreed.

01:39:00.000 And JFK is cool and all that baloney, but I want to know about Butler and what happened down there.

01:39:05.000 Absolutely.

01:39:06.000 So I hope Trump declassifies as much as he can.

01:39:08.000 The American people knowing as much as they can is extremely important.

01:39:11.000 For too long, we're kept in the dark.

01:39:13.000 Let's go to Super Chats!

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01:39:28.000 And I will also point out the Green Room show we did, where we discussed Israel and Gaza.

01:39:35.000 I think it's about half an hour long.

01:39:36.000 It is up now on the Green Room playlist, premium only.

01:39:40.000 And you can check that one out.

01:39:42.000 But for now, we will read your Super Chats.

01:39:44.000 Let's go.

01:39:45.000 We got Shane H. Wilder who says, As a longtime TimCast member, I'm happy to see the Rumble announcement.

01:39:50.000 I'm excited to see the fruits of this deal.

01:39:52.000 It's going to be legend.

01:39:54.000 Wait for it.

01:39:55.000 Dairy! 0.56

01:39:55.000 Aha, let's go. 0.56

01:39:56.000 Thanks for the premium, by the way.

01:39:58.000 So the way it works is if you're a member at TimCast.com, the email that you use for TimCast.com, if you log into Rumble with that email, just like create a free account, you will instantly have premium access.

01:40:11.000 Boom.

01:40:12.000 Just...

01:40:12.000 As a member of TimCast.com.

01:40:13.000 That's why I was telling everybody, just become a member of TimCast.com.

01:40:17.000 You're not going to regret it.

01:40:18.000 We had a lot of people, you know, who had lapsed credit cards and things like that.

01:40:21.000 But it should be that easy.

01:40:23.000 So for now, here's the plan.

01:40:26.000 If you are a member as of yesterday, you're going to have...

01:40:31.000 Everything.

01:40:31.000 Timcast, Discord membership, access, community access, and all of the newsletter we're going to be sending out to everybody.

01:40:38.000 And you will also get Rumble Premium, which includes all of their other creators.

01:40:42.000 So you're getting a massive library of content.

01:40:43.000 Moving forward, if you want to be a member of the community involved in the Discord, coming to in-person events, that's going to be a Timcast.com membership.

01:40:53.000 We're not going to be pushing it as hard.

01:40:55.000 We really want people to watch the content, but...

01:40:57.000 If you want to call into the show, if you want to be involved in our events, the reason we're doing it this way is because one of the challenges we had in trying to work out a deal is how do we maintain community growth and engagement?

01:41:09.000 It's not the same thing as a content deal.

01:41:11.000 So there are effectively two different things.

01:41:13.000 All of our exclusive members-only content is going to be Rumble Premium.

01:41:17.000 That means we're going to have documentaries, which we already do.

01:41:19.000 We're going to put that up as soon as possible.

01:41:21.000 We're going to have the Green Room show.

01:41:23.000 We're going to have other behind-the-scenes stuff as well as the Uncensored Call-In show.

01:41:27.000 But if you want to be actively involved in the Discord community where we have staff and we have, you know, events managers and stuff, that'll be a membership at TimCast.com.

01:41:36.000 So we're not, you know, we want to maintain that.

01:41:40.000 One of the big concerns we had was moving forward.

01:41:42.000 It's like, well, we can't lose the Discord.

01:41:44.000 We have tens of thousands of people that hang out every day.

01:41:46.000 They have shows among themselves.

01:41:49.000 And so we have to make sure it's maintained, and that costs money.

01:41:51.000 And so we want those members to benefit.

01:41:53.000 And Rumble, super cool.

01:41:56.000 The guys over at Rumble were just like, then we're going to make sure that all of your members get both.

01:41:59.000 And then anybody who wants to join you in that, they can do so.

01:42:02.000 And anybody who wants to watch the content will do at Rumble.

01:42:04.000 And I was like, bro, this is epic.

01:42:05.000 It's the perfect mix.

01:42:07.000 And all of those OG members who support us to this point, they're getting it all.

01:42:11.000 So it should be great.

01:42:12.000 I absolutely love that.

01:42:14.000 When we first started, you so first started, you wanted to do the culture where you wanted to bring on everyday guys.

01:42:19.000 You were talking about having interviews with them, and now finally we're getting to that point.

01:42:22.000 You're getting to the point where it's going to be a thing, and that's beautiful.

01:42:25.000 This is what we're going to do.

01:42:26.000 Yeah, so the culture war show that we've never actually got to the point in full development, but we're looking at venues in the D.C. area.

01:42:33.000 We are going to book guests and have the culture war debates as we do, but there will be a live audience.

01:42:40.000 Of the Timcast Discord community members, and you can submit your talking points because we're going to have the subject matter of the debate.

01:42:50.000 It'll be like immigration, abortion, whatever, you know, kind of simple, but it might be UFOs.

01:42:54.000 And then we're actually going to bring you up to join the debate.

01:42:57.000 You'll get five minutes to, like, make your points, challenge some of the positions that were made.

01:43:01.000 We'll debate with you for a few minutes, and then you get to step down and, you know, give a shout-out.

01:43:07.000 It's basically in-person, join the debate, and it's because we wanted to bring in regular people, but we also wanted to bring in tons of other ideas and give people who normally don't have a chance to be in that debate to join the debate, which means there's going to be some crazy...

01:43:22.000 Yo, it's going to be upsetting.

01:43:24.000 I know, we thought it would be fun.

01:43:25.000 Like, what if some guy comes up and tells us we're wrong on Israel because it was actually the reptilians who took over, and we just...

01:43:30.000 It's like, well, okay.

01:43:32.000 We think it'll be an entertaining show.

01:43:34.000 So let's grab some more...

01:43:37.000 Matthew Emmons says the swatter that went after Tim Kass and other YouTubers caught and sent to federal prison for four years, per Jeremy at the quartering.

01:43:44.000 First of all, maybe.

01:43:47.000 The story about the swatter that went after us had been reported a while ago, so maybe he has just been convicted, but I will tell you this.

01:43:55.000 My understanding is the person who went after us was for hire.

01:44:00.000 That's the information that we thought was reasonable based on the evidence we'd seen.

01:44:05.000 And so when people started telling us, hey, just want to let you know the swatter was caught, I said, well, not the people who instructed him and gave him the information, because one of the addresses that was swatted is not publicly available.

01:44:20.000 And somehow the swatter got access to that address, which is very interesting.

01:44:25.000 Yeah.

01:44:26.000 And there's only a handful of people who knew the address, which, of course, easily helped us understand who was leaking the information.

01:44:34.000 We, uh, hey, told the FBI, and they did nothing.

01:44:37.000 So when people show up, when 16 guys show up to your house with rifles pointed through your windows, and you say, here's evidence suggesting who did it, and they say, we don't care, makes you wonder.

01:44:46.000 Makes you wonder.

01:44:47.000 Not the first time I've asked the FBI for help, and they refuse to do it, but hey, I guess they don't matter.

01:44:51.000 That's fine, I guess.

01:44:53.000 Jason Dixon says, hey Tim, please shout out the Discord.

01:44:55.000 Building culture over here.

01:44:56.000 Also shout out to It's Based Gaming.

01:44:59.000 They are from your Discord.

01:45:00.000 They make games.

01:45:01.000 Very cool. 0.97

01:45:02.000 Sick.

01:45:03.000 Yeah, we're in the early stages of setting up a sports show.

01:45:06.000 I'm glad you did that.

01:45:07.000 I brought it up a couple weeks ago on the show, and I asked about sports, and I'm like, yeah, I do skateboarding, but I was talking about more bigger.

01:45:14.000 We'll see.

01:45:16.000 We don't want to launch too much at once, but Kellen and Chuck, big football fans, and with the Super Bowl, they were expressing interest in having a sports show, and I was like, really good idea.

01:45:26.000 We can set up an area with couches and do a sports podcast in a similar element.

01:45:30.000 I think that'd be super cool.

01:45:33.000 Heck yeah, a lot of us folks who are newer to the political world, we're normie sportsball guys for the last freaking 20 years.

01:45:40.000 Normie sportsball.

01:45:43.000 Alright.

01:45:44.000 Ebud says, even though I have it set to receive all, today marks the first day in over two years where your live show has actually made it to my notifications.

01:45:53.000 I've only been getting clips until now.

01:45:56.000 Interesting.

01:45:57.000 Yeah, I don't know how that stuff works, man.

01:46:00.000 You know, YouTube does what it does.

01:46:03.000 Let me see here.

01:46:05.000 Let me see here.

01:46:06.000 We have a bunch of amazing chats as well over at Rumble.

01:46:11.000 Just Cause I'm Free says, Welcome to Rumble.

01:46:12.000 Glad to finally be able to watch you live over here.

01:46:15.000 Now get PCC over to Rumble and I can do away with Commitube.

01:46:18.000 My Rumble stock is going to do so good this year.

01:46:21.000 Well, I'm glad to hear it.

01:46:24.000 You know what's really cool about Rumble is that I know the CEO. It's like, with Rumble, when we have issues, it's just like a text message away to try and get these things resolved.

01:46:35.000 And that's really a component of smaller companies versus larger companies.

01:46:39.000 I think YouTube's got political interests, but there's really no one to talk to when you have a glitch.

01:46:44.000 I'll do air quotes.

01:46:45.000 I'll do air quotes.

01:46:46.000 But for the time being, we're not intending on changing anything.

01:46:49.000 We're going to fish where the fish are.

01:46:51.000 We're going to post on YouTube.

01:46:52.000 We have a large YouTube audience.

01:46:56.000 All of our exclusive premium members only stuff, it's going to be on Rumble.

01:46:59.000 Which, I'm going to be completely honest, it's a load off our back.

01:47:02.000 The infrastructure stuff is so hard to do.

01:47:04.000 People don't understand running a website, the IT development and all the code stuff.

01:47:09.000 It's expensive.

01:47:11.000 It's a lot of work.

01:47:11.000 So I'm like, hey, this will make things a lot easier for everybody.

01:47:14.000 No one's got to worry about crashes and things like that.

01:47:16.000 So it's going to be a lot easier and a lot more fun.

01:47:19.000 And I'm excited too because it frees up budget because we really want to do these documentaries.

01:47:25.000 I'm just going to say it anyway.

01:47:27.000 Well, because Milo was like, he wants to go to Israel with Ian.

01:47:31.000 And I was like, I think that would be very, very fun.

01:47:34.000 We'll see.

01:47:35.000 It would be entertaining for sure.

01:47:36.000 That's right.

01:47:36.000 Great content.

01:47:38.000 But you're also helping the parallel economy from back in the day.

01:47:41.000 Build-Up Rumble, YouTube, Google, all those guys can go back their own way.

01:47:47.000 I mean, we've got the show on Apple, Spotify, everywhere.

01:47:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:52.000 Yeah, people were asking, it's going to be, it still will be available on all of the podcast platforms as well.

01:47:57.000 It's going to be everywhere.

01:47:58.000 And we want it to be bigger and better everywhere.

01:48:01.000 You know?

01:48:02.000 The only specific thing is that, you know, we were using TimCast.com for exclusive member stuff because that's what supported the show, basically.

01:48:09.000 That's going to be part of the Rumble Premium family.

01:48:11.000 So you got Bongino.

01:48:12.000 You got Charlie Kirk.

01:48:13.000 You got Dr. Disrespect.

01:48:14.000 You got a bunch of really awesome people.

01:48:15.000 And we can collab.

01:48:17.000 I think a big thing about it was we've been the Timcast Island for a long time.

01:48:21.000 It's like we have a show.

01:48:23.000 I don't do a lot of collabs or anything like that.

01:48:25.000 And it's, you know, you can only last so long.

01:48:28.000 You got to strategize.

01:48:29.000 You got to network.

01:48:30.000 You need a team, as it were.

01:48:32.000 And so this was the best way to get things done.

01:48:35.000 We've been talking with a bunch of companies about ad sales and things like that.

01:48:38.000 And then we worked a deal out with Rumble that was really good and I think benefits everybody.

01:48:43.000 Very fun.

01:48:43.000 Go team.

01:48:44.000 Super excited for the stuff we're going to do, especially with skateboarding.

01:48:47.000 All right.

01:48:48.000 Nathan says, bring Taiwanese chip engineers to the U.S. Project Paperclip.

01:48:52.000 Oh.

01:48:53.000 In the style.

01:48:54.000 I mean, that's not nearly as horrifying.

01:48:59.000 That's Operation Paperclip, right?

01:49:00.000 That was the Japanese scientists we brought over, right?

01:49:03.000 Or was that the Nazi scientists? 0.53

01:49:04.000 No, the Paperclip was the Nazis. 0.82

01:49:05.000 Well, they built rockets.

01:49:08.000 We're in space now, thanks.

01:49:09.000 Good news, we are bringing Taiwanese semiconductor.

01:49:11.000 Oh, yeah?

01:49:12.000 Jump up on the...

01:49:13.000 Get closer to the...

01:49:14.000 Yeah, we're bringing them here.

01:49:15.000 And the Taiwanese understand why they need to be here. 0.99

01:49:19.000 Because if the Chinese Communist Party takes over their island...

01:49:21.000 I've heard it by company.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, I've heard stories that Taiwan is part of the reason why... 0.98

01:49:27.000 China hasn't moved on Taiwan is because as far as the practical invasion and taking of Taiwan, it would actually be very difficult.

01:49:37.000 Is that correct?

01:49:38.000 Do you know anything about that?

01:49:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I've been to Taiwan many times.

01:49:41.000 I've talked to the Chinese military.

01:49:43.000 Look, it's not going to be easy.

01:49:44.000 I mean, it's going to be logistically over the Taiwan Straits, for the Chinese Navy, for the Chinese military and special forces.

01:49:52.000 Not easy.

01:49:53.000 Terrible weather.

01:49:55.000 And look, I think the Taiwanese people are going to fight for their country.

01:49:59.000 Now, at the end of the day, I think what's deterred Xi Jinping from launching an invasion for now has been his fear that the United States is going to step in.

01:50:08.000 And this goes back to my original point.

01:50:10.000 I mean, I don't know if we're going to step in.

01:50:12.000 I'm not sure if we should step in.

01:50:13.000 But at the end of the day, we must create the perception in the eyes of Xi Jinping that we will step in.

01:50:19.000 And that will keep Taiwan independent.

01:50:21.000 It'll keep...

01:50:27.000 He controls the global economy.

01:50:32.000 You may not like America.

01:50:34.000 You may think we're flawed.

01:50:35.000 You may think we have a lot of problems.

01:50:37.000 I don't think any of us want to live under the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese security state.

01:50:42.000 So we definitely want to keep semiconductors away from him.

01:50:44.000 Bike Collins says, Tim, you should give downhill mountain biking a try.

01:50:49.000 Coming from a skating background, you'll be a shredder out the gate.

01:50:52.000 Welcome to Rumble.

01:50:53.000 Agreed.

01:50:54.000 Nah, I'm not going to do downhill biking.

01:50:56.000 Allison likes downhill mountain biking stuff, but I have a really nice mountain bike.

01:51:01.000 You guys love your bike.

01:51:01.000 And what happened was Allison said, you know, you should get a bike so we can go on a bike ride.

01:51:06.000 I said, okay.

01:51:07.000 And then she said, let's go for a bike ride.

01:51:08.000 We went, and it turned out it was like a 30-mile bike ride, and I never went again.

01:51:16.000 Yeah, it was brutal.

01:51:17.000 It was like, hey, we're going to, you know, I won't give out too much of the private details, but we're going to go from this point to this point.

01:51:23.000 Should take, you know, not that long.

01:51:24.000 I was like, okay.

01:51:25.000 And then as we're riding, it's kind of nice.

01:51:27.000 You get lost in the start of the bike ride.

01:51:29.000 I'm looking at the trees and the river and everything, having a good time.

01:51:31.000 And then eventually I'm getting tired and I'm like, are we there yet?

01:51:34.000 We finally get there.

01:51:35.000 And then I was like, yeah, we're not riding that all the way back.

01:51:39.000 That was nuts.

01:51:40.000 And there was literally no other way back.

01:51:42.000 Were you in West Virginia?

01:51:43.000 Up the mountains?

01:51:44.000 Maryland.

01:51:45.000 Okay, Maryland.

01:51:46.000 Yeah, uphills around and all that stuff.

01:51:48.000 And so then we started riding back and I was like, my legs feel like they're being stabbed with a thousand knives of fire.

01:51:53.000 I need to ride home.

01:51:54.000 And there's no signal.

01:51:55.000 There's nobody who can pick us up.

01:51:57.000 And so we just had to go for it.

01:51:59.000 And that was the last time we rode our bikes.

01:52:02.000 And I'm in shape.

01:52:04.000 I got real low wrestling heart rate.

01:52:06.000 I skate all the time.

01:52:07.000 You got them thighs. 0.99

01:52:07.000 But it's just, it's a different kind of exercise. 0.99

01:52:10.000 You know?

01:52:12.000 I do high burst, right?

01:52:14.000 Like, you stand on the board and you jump, bang!

01:52:17.000 With the bike, it's endurance.

01:52:19.000 It's non-stop.

01:52:21.000 I get it downhill, though you're not really pedaling, you're braking.

01:52:24.000 But, I don't know.

01:52:25.000 I can barely snowboard and ski as it is.

01:52:28.000 It's worth noting, it's a good idea to do different types of cardio, because your body does get acclimated to whatever type of cardio you're doing.

01:52:36.000 So it is a good idea to throw in variation, because like Tim says, you'll get...

01:52:40.000 Used to one thing, and then you do something else, and it's like, whoa, this is totally different.

01:52:45.000 All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:52:48.000 Iggy the Incubus says, reminder, JFK turned down Operation Mockingbird.

01:52:52.000 I know he turned down Operation Northwoods.

01:52:55.000 I don't think Mockingbird was turned down.

01:52:57.000 I think maybe you mean Northwoods?

01:52:58.000 You familiar with Northwoods?

01:52:59.000 I'm not.

01:53:00.000 Tell me.

01:53:01.000 That was when, what was it, L.L. Lemnitzer?

01:53:04.000 Was that his name?

01:53:04.000 L.L. Lemnitzer?

01:53:06.000 I don't know a whole lot about this.

01:53:07.000 I've just seen tidbits on the internet.

01:53:09.000 Wanted to stage false flags in Florida so that we could justify conflict with Cuba. 0.89

01:53:14.000 Wanted to blow up a plane near Florida and say Cuba did it and things like that.

01:53:19.000 And JFK was like, no, we're not doing any of that stuff.

01:53:21.000 And so that often gets brought up by people to point out that false flag attacks do exist.

01:53:27.000 One thing that people need to, or you should understand about Northridge, is it was actually proposed by the DOD. The CIA was going to carry it out, but it was DOD. So, like, when Mike Benz talks about, quote-unquote, the blob, he's talking about State Department, DOD, and CIA. It's three different means of exercising power.

01:53:47.000 State Department's soft power, DOD is hard power, and then the CIA is when they don't want anyone to know the U.S. is exercising power.

01:53:55.000 It's supposed to be covert.

01:53:57.000 And when things go right, you don't find out about it, but things don't always go right.

01:54:02.000 Indeed.

01:54:03.000 True.

01:54:03.000 Yeah, but I always like to point out you don't need Northwoods because the Gulf of Tonkin happened.

01:54:07.000 It did.

01:54:07.000 And we know that it was fake.

01:54:09.000 So, you know, there's your special police action in Vietnam for you.

01:54:13.000 Oh, I'm sorry, Iggy.

01:54:15.000 You literally superchatted right afterwards saying, correct to myself, Operation Northwoods.

01:54:19.000 I apologize.

01:54:20.000 You corrected yourself.

01:54:21.000 Shout out, Iggy.

01:54:23.000 There you go.

01:54:24.000 All right.

01:54:25.000 Sean P says, your own spy agencies want to destroy you.

01:54:29.000 That is unfortunate.

01:54:31.000 The Dexvet says, so we leave the alphabet agencies and we continue having our country destroyed from within, or we dismantle them and we have foreign intervention. 0.95

01:54:38.000 I'll take the bad guy I know over the bad guy pretending to be my protector.

01:54:42.000 It's not easy.

01:54:43.000 You know, I told my friends this back in like 2015. I was like, if you want to live in America where you watch the red carpet, listen to, you know, whatever weird R&B pop is on the radio, eat dollar slices of pizza, vote for the machine state.

01:54:59.000 Vote for Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:55:02.000 Because they're going to go blow up kids in foreign countries so that we can maintain the petrodollar. 1.00

01:55:06.000 And then you don't got to think twice.

01:55:07.000 But if you're actually concerned about what this country is going to turn into and how long it's going to last, then you probably should vote for someone who's interested in what actually happens to this country.

01:55:14.000 And that's going to be Donald Trump.

01:55:15.000 So take your pick.

01:55:16.000 Yeah, you can wear your blinders and only see in front of you and see what you're doing.

01:55:19.000 Or you can take out the blinders and see everything that's around you.

01:55:22.000 Do you want to be a chicken in a chicken coop?

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:24.000 Or do you want to be a farmer who has to do the hard work?

01:55:28.000 Hey man, our chickens, they don't do nothing.

01:55:30.000 They want for nothing, but they live in a box.

01:55:34.000 A nice box, too.

01:55:35.000 It's very nice.

01:55:36.000 They're wealthy, 1% are chickens.

01:55:38.000 But when Mr. Muttonchops jumped out of the chicken coop, he was killed by a fox. 0.98

01:55:43.000 He was breaking free, you know that.

01:55:45.000 I would say one thing.

01:55:47.000 Again, I don't want to be the voice here of opposition.

01:55:50.000 I'll say one thing.

01:55:51.000 This podcast, which has been a pleasure to be part of...

01:55:55.000 can only take place in one country in the world.

01:55:57.000 This podcast could never take place.

01:56:00.000 Communist China.

01:56:01.000 Oh, of course.

01:56:02.000 Putin's Russia. 0.55

01:56:03.000 Khamenei's Iran.

01:56:04.000 Wouldn't even take England to the UK.

01:56:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:56:07.000 I was just going to say, the UK would never allow it.

01:56:10.000 We can't.

01:56:10.000 It would be in general versus in the UK.

01:56:12.000 If we were in Ukraine, I'd be dead. 0.96

01:56:14.000 Like Gonzalo Lira.

01:56:15.000 Well, all I can say is, what makes America great, and maybe make it great again, or make it greater, is the fact that this conversation can take place, where you could literally sit here in this amazing studio, and say what you have about the CIA, and the FBI, And at the end of the day...

01:56:34.000 They'll falsely accuse you of being a Russian.

01:56:37.000 Maybe, but probably not.

01:56:39.000 And you're going to have an incredible, successful podcast.

01:56:42.000 You're going to be on Rumble.

01:56:44.000 You're a great personality.

01:56:45.000 You're provoking people to think.

01:56:47.000 You've got a lot of people out there listening to you and imbibing this.

01:56:51.000 And that's phenomenal.

01:56:53.000 That makes America great.

01:56:54.000 I agree.

01:56:55.000 And the problem is when you look at like the James O'Keefe videos, you see these people who work in the bureaucratic state outright saying, we will defy the will of the people outright.

01:57:03.000 Outright!

01:57:04.000 And so how we fire those people who are breaking the law, it's going to be a challenge to actually go through and figure this out.

01:57:11.000 But Trump's got active opposition from judges and from Democrats.

01:57:15.000 And it's a tough challenge.

01:57:20.000 I'll put it that way.

01:57:20.000 Isn't the president supposed to be, you know, he's in charge.

01:57:23.000 He has a plan.

01:57:25.000 Why are these other federal employees?

01:57:27.000 I don't want to go on a big old tangent.

01:57:29.000 These other federal employees that got elected and are working for the United States government are saying, no, don't listen to your leader.

01:57:35.000 Because they're activist judges.

01:57:37.000 They're trying to legislate from the bench.

01:57:39.000 And the point is to obstruct their obstructions.

01:57:44.000 They're trying to obstruct what the president's trying to do.

01:57:47.000 They do have a legal argument in that Well, actually, I'd have to go through the individual positions to say for sure.

01:57:59.000 But there is the power of judges to put stays on.

01:58:06.000 But even the idea of a nationwide stay, that's all fairly new.

01:58:11.000 That started in the 60s.

01:58:12.000 FDR made massive changes to the government.

01:58:16.000 Some of them were unconstitutional, and I believe there were some things that were struck down eventually.

01:58:21.000 None of the stuff that he proposed, none of the executive orders that he made, none of them were prevented or stopped or put on hold by any judges.

01:58:30.000 They just went through.

01:58:32.000 The president said, this is what we're going to do, and it happened.

01:58:35.000 This is all new.

01:58:36.000 And this really, this idea of a judge in the Ninth Circuit putting a stop to something the president does nationwide, that's honestly new in the past.

01:58:46.000 I think it really started to get ramped up during the Obama administration.

01:58:50.000 But honestly, it's an innovation in the past 20 years.

01:58:53.000 It's not something that has a long history of happening in the United States.

01:58:59.000 The separation of powers is supposed to actually be a separation of powers.

01:59:04.000 And if a judge can say, no, you can't do this, Mr. President, there's actually no separation of powers between the president and the judicial branch.

01:59:13.000 All right, let's grab one more here.

01:59:14.000 We got good to her.

01:59:16.000 Triple eight says the difference is that Snowden did this on behalf of a privacy breach of the citizens of the US. The others are illegal immigrants committing absolutely heinous crimes against Americans. 0.57

01:59:25.000 Yeah.

01:59:26.000 So, you know, again, that's why it's like a triage thing.

01:59:29.000 It's a priorities thing.

01:59:30.000 And it's a moral line thing.

01:59:32.000 I look at what Snowden did and I'm like, man, he sure did find a lot of malfeasance and then went about it the very wrong way in leaking all this information without redacting it.

01:59:40.000 And so that's bad.

01:59:41.000 At this point, now what has it been?

01:59:43.000 Over 10 years?

01:59:44.000 It's like 13 years or something?

01:59:45.000 I'm kind of like, yeah, I don't know.

01:59:46.000 It's not my biggest priority right now.

01:59:48.000 We're well past that.

01:59:49.000 Some of it was good.

01:59:51.000 A lot of it was bad.

01:59:52.000 It is what it is.

01:59:52.000 The illegal immigration stuff is child trafficking, outright breaking of our laws, and it is in mass.

01:59:58.000 So enforcing that is deeply important.

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02:00:26.000 Mark, do you want to shout anything out?

02:00:29.000 Again, shout out to, first of all, thank you for having me.

02:00:32.000 Please follow me on X if you can, at M Dubowitz.

02:00:36.000 And yeah, I mean, if you're interested in Iran, it's kind of my obsession, but I've got this Iran Breakdown podcast that is going to be launching in the next week.

02:00:44.000 It'll be a limited series, 10 episodes to start.

02:00:47.000 It gives me an easy off-ramp if it fails to say it was a limited series, and that's why I'm ending it.

02:00:51.000 But if it succeeds, we're going to obviously continue it.

02:00:53.000 And I think all Americans should understand more about Iran, more about the threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran, and how we can actually stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons without risking U.S. lives. 0.67

02:01:05.000 Awesome.

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