In this episode of The Culture War, we discuss the latest in the Epstein scandal, the Democratic effort to block the release of evidence in the case, and the reaction from President Trump and others. Plus, a new energy drink called Rev7 and ice cream.
00:02:49.000Donald Trump, when asked by a reporter, says the Epstein files are a made-up Democrat hoax.
00:02:55.000As Republicans have now voted in committee and on the floor to block the release of the files after Democrat ReproConna put forth an amendment saying, any documents, any files related to the Epstein's case, his prosecution, and any evidence must be published by the DOJ in 30 days.
00:03:13.000Now, according to Exios, it's because the Republicans have an agenda and a literal legislative agenda.
00:03:21.000And if they vote on Rep Rokana's bill, it changes the agenda for the day, which is kind of a dumb argument because, I mean, this is the Epstein case.
00:03:31.000The issue, however, the Kana amendment says they've got to publish any evidence.
00:03:36.000Now, I spoke with Rep Rokana earlier, and he said it is not his intention to require them to publish the videos of the victims being abused, but that is the evidence.
00:03:46.000And if you say the evidence has to be public, that's what you're saying.
00:03:48.000Now, Rep Rokana said he will introduce a bill bipartisan that amends his makes it clip.
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00:07:50.000Trump repeats that the Epstein files are a made-up Democrat hoax.
00:07:56.000Here's the clip, ladies and gentlemen.
00:07:58.000No, no, she's given us just a very quick briefing.
00:08:03.000And in terms of the credibility of the different things that they've seen, and I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey.
00:08:13.000They were made up by the Biden information.
00:08:15.000You know, and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia-Russia hoax, with all of the different things that we had to go through.
00:08:37.000Is he saying that the actual documents they have, they're not going to release, because he's saying it's made up by Comey and Obama and that crew?
00:08:44.000Does he really expect that everyone's going to buy that?
00:08:48.000I think the administration has been so careless with the rollout of this stuff.
00:08:54.000I'm almost to the point where no matter what they actually do put out for public consumption, people are going to feel like there's more.
00:09:02.000People are going to feel like it's not enough.
00:09:04.000There's other things that are being hidden.
00:09:07.000These press conferences and speaking to the press and not having all your ducks in a row is probably the worst thing that they could have done.
00:09:25.000We see AOC being like, oh, of course, if you have a rapist in the White House, then you're not going to release the Epstein tapes.
00:09:31.000You have Roe Khanna coming out and being like, basically, you know, the Democrats are like, we're going to attach, release the files to every single bill you guys put forth, which is a big stunt, but is what they're doing.
00:09:43.000And today they, you know, over the weekend, Epstein was a huge deal at Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.
00:09:49.000Everyone had something to say about it.
00:09:50.000Jack Pesobic, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Megan Kelly.
00:09:54.000There was an awful lot to talk about, Tucker Carlson.
00:10:39.000I mean, even everyone in the base is pretty much pissed off about this whole Epstein thing.
00:10:44.000And hell, I debated Esteana a little bit as well about it.
00:10:48.000And, you know, I gave my position on it yesterday.
00:10:51.000I don't think we're ever going to get it because of the sensitive nature where I think there's going to be other foreign nations implicated.
00:10:57.000We know which one, especially in the Middle East.
00:11:00.000But, you know, first it was there's no files, nothing to see here.
00:11:03.000Now it's, oh yeah, just release whatever's credible.
00:11:42.000I think people care about it because it gets to the question of this deep suspicion that we can't trust the people in charge of our government and that we don't know who's in charge.
00:11:54.000Ron Dodson had a great tweet thread about this, that it's kind of a Rorschach test.
00:12:00.000If you try so hard to not care about this, it's worth being suspicious about you, right?
00:12:07.000But to the rest of us, and I do think normal people care about this, actually.
00:12:12.000It's this final kind of window into a potential loss of faith of the integrity of, I'm not going to say the integrity of our democracy, but who's in charge?
00:12:24.000No, I mean, to that point, I mean, you look at the past 25 years, the lies about the Iraq war, then the Democrats swore up and down that they weren't targeting Republicans, but there was the IRS Lois Lerner scandal.
00:12:38.000Then you have the whole Biden administration.
00:12:41.000There was COVID where we were lied to.
00:12:44.000The young people in America have never known a time, Gen Z I'm talking about, have never known a time where the government wasn't just lying outright.
00:12:54.000At least people my age can look back and say, well, you know, I mean, before the turn of the century, there were times where the government was dishonest, but they were, you know, trying to do this or we had some amount of faith.
00:13:06.000maybe it was misplaced, but we had some amount of faith that the government was being honest.
00:13:10.000If you're a Gen Z, you're like, look, the government has been lying for my entire life.
00:13:15.000I've never known anything other than the government to lie to us.
00:15:01.000You had to like, like, go searching for it versus like now, like, people would rather have just watched their favorite political commentator than watch the news, which is what I've realized.
00:15:08.000Like, it's, it's like completely different.
00:15:10.000It's like you said, like, you, before 20 years ago, mainstream media was it, right?
00:15:15.000Alternate media still existed, but like you had to go looking for it.
00:15:18.000Now it's like people are like, you know what, I'd rather just see what my favorite political commentator has got to say about this versus CNN.
00:15:24.000Just to play like devil's adiquate for a second.
00:15:26.000So all these files were basic, like alleged, you know, files were in the Eastern District of New York, right?
00:15:34.000So do we think that there could be a situation where they had a bunch of information and either trashed it or misplaced it?
00:15:42.000Because these would have been a lot of analog files or even like at best, they would have been like, you know, those big square floppy disks.
00:15:49.000Yeah, so I could talk to that a little bit.
00:15:50.000So the thing with the Epstein, which makes it so complicated and why it's so convoluted, is because it was a criminal case and there's an intelligence aspect, right?
00:15:59.000So we know that the FBI did a criminal case, you know, 20, what they picked him up in 2019, if I'm not mistaken, 2018, they arrested him and then he ended up dying in the summer of 2019.
00:16:08.000So Southern District of New York and FBI in New York is the one that ran the criminal case.
00:16:12.000Now, obviously, the criminal case is going to have stuff that's unclassified because criminal cases, you can't put anything classified in there or you have to declassify it to use it.
00:16:20.000And then Glenn Maxwell, we know, went to trial.
00:16:22.000So you can go, anyone that went to the trial would be able to see a lot of the evidence that probably would have been used against Epstein himself.
00:16:28.000But with that said, there's obviously going to be a classified or what we call a high side.
00:16:32.000I know you know about that from the military.
00:16:35.000And that's going to have a lot of the stuff that has to do with potentially him being a counterintelligence agent or agent or whatever.
00:16:40.000But, and I was saying this yesterday, I think the people that are really going to have a lot of the info, it's not going to just be the FBI.
00:16:45.000The FBI is going to have a piece of the pie.
00:16:46.000It's going to be the CIA because of him being potentially involved with a foreign intelligence service.
00:16:54.000So I think Tulsi Gabbard has far more of a role in this situation or should have far more of a role in this situation than a Pam Bondi because the DOJ is not going to be privy to stuff from the IC unless it comes from the FBI.
00:17:05.000And the FBI is just one component of the IC versus all the other intelligence apparatus.
00:17:10.000To your point, no, it's perfectly fine.
00:17:12.000But to your point, even if Congress were to have passed the bill today and it were signed into law, Congress doesn't have the ability to declassify stuff.
00:17:21.000So it would still take the president saying, oh, these things that are classified, well, I'll declassify them so people can see them.
00:17:27.000So it doesn't matter what Congress does when it comes to things that would have been classified by CIA or DNI or whatever.
00:17:34.000Yeah, and I know Tulsi Gabbard, right, since she's over at DNI, because this is what I assume, and I think I'd love to get your take on this too, being a foreign military guy.
00:17:43.000Like, obviously the FBI has a piece of the pie with the criminal case and then what he was doing, right?
00:17:47.000Because just based off of them doing their investigation, they had to have come across what he was doing and how he was been able to be protected for so long.
00:17:54.000Then I know the CIA is absolutely going to have a file on him because he was collecting intelligence for a foreign country.
00:17:59.000Then I know DIA, NSA, all these different components are going to have all the information.
00:18:04.000The only person I could think of that's going to have everything in totality, more than likely, or at least will have access to it, is going to be Tulsi Gabbard.
00:18:10.000And she is the main conduit of information that gives it to the president, right?
00:18:14.000We know Trump distances himself from the intelligence components because he doesn't really trust them.
00:18:18.000So Tulsi Gabbard's going to have everything.
00:18:21.000So I think that's what the people really want.
00:18:23.000Like, obviously, we kind of know who's on the client list already.
00:18:26.000We want to know who he was working for, what he was doing specifically, how he was going about it, methodologies and modes.
00:18:32.000So I think that's where a lot of the sauce is going to be.
00:18:35.000You know, the FBI, you know, they're getting held accountable for sure, and Pam Bonnie's getting made fun of.
00:18:39.000But I do think that there is a significant amount of intel that's going to be with the intelligence community.
00:18:45.000It would be nice to see some journalists going after, or at least investigating where he got his money, who was actually investing with him.
00:18:54.000There's not a lot of information that's out there about who was actually giving him money, how much, you know, what type of money.
00:19:00.000I know it was Les Wexner, but yeah, they keep him out the fray.
00:19:04.000Wasn't the issue the original search warrant in 2008 or 2009 was so weak that it essentially allowed them to take a modicum of action to investigate him while allowing a cover-up?
00:19:19.000I think to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, he's probably in a situation where there is perhaps not much else.
00:19:28.000And so to release the files would only be to fuel specifically.
00:19:35.000speculation disappoint his base we're going to finish finish well and so you know i i think he's when he says that it's a it's a hoax i i i don't think he's lying to us but uh you know, I think he's trying to prepare us for disappointment.
00:19:50.000But this is what he might not be able to control.
00:19:52.000What if Epstein is a hoax and Democrats, they made the whole thing up with Comey during Trump's first term?
00:20:00.000They were like, if he ever gets back in, we're going to cede this.
00:20:04.000They're going to start promoting the conspiracy theory, and then it will be a hoax and there will be no files at all.
00:20:09.000I'm sorry, that's kind of like the least believable thing imaginable that the Democrats made up the Epstein files.
00:20:16.000Cash, Trump all campaigned on this, and then they get in and then go, well, it was a hoax.
00:20:25.000Although it is a good way to ruin credibility.
00:20:27.000Media, which I agree with this 100%, CNN has published several stories on this.
00:20:32.000A lot of these guys on left wing have been absolutely going at, you know, I've seen Hassan, Kyle Klinsky, all these guys are like loving it.
00:20:38.000Like, yes, look, MAG is going crazy because this is something that Caspatel and, you know, Bonjin and all these guys campaigned on or talked about in their podcast because a lot of these guys were former influencers.
00:20:47.000And then for them to get into power and then be like, oh, there's nothing here or it's not getting, you know, they're not putting out the information, you know, obviously it looks very bad.
00:20:54.000And like the Democrats are loving it right now.
00:21:12.000Axios says House Republicans on Tuesday voted on another Democrat procedural maneuver aimed at forcing the DOJ to release documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:21:21.000It's the second time this week Democrats have forced their GOP colleagues to choose between loyalty to Trump and a mega base that is furious.
00:21:28.000Democrats are already promising future votes.
00:21:31.000Quote, that was probably not the last time you're going to see us deal with this issue, House Rules Committee Ranking Member Jim McGovern told Exios.
00:21:39.000Republicans dismissed the vote as a cynical partisan ploy with Rep Tim Burchett telling Exios, it's just politics.
00:21:45.000It's not about protecting little children, and that ticks me off.
00:21:48.000The House voted 211 to 210 against allowing a House vote on Rep Rokana's measure to force the DOJ to publish the Epstein files online within 30 days.
00:21:59.000Democrats' procedural motion would have scuttled the GOP's legislative agenda for the day in favor of the Kana bill, making it difficult for Republicans to vote for it.
00:22:07.000It came after Republicans in the House Rules Committee voted Monday night against attaching the Epstein language to a broader cryptocurrency and defense funding vote.
00:22:17.000Here's the Kanna amendment, and I did speak with Rep Khanna earlier.
00:22:21.000He told me that he was going to draft a bill, a new one, that clarifies the language because it is not his intent that the DOJ publish all of the videos of abuse on their website.
00:22:32.000That being said, if this was presented to me and I was told to vote on it, there's only one thing you can say.
00:22:40.000Democrats, knowing they won't win, get to vote yes because it's a political ploy.
00:22:44.000But with respect to Representative Khanna, I want to see him put out the new measure that clarifies this would not require the DOJ to publish thousands of videos of child porn.
00:22:54.000The amendment says, A, the Attorney General shall retain, preserve, and compile any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution, or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:23:03.000B, not later than 30 days after the date of this enactment of this act, the Attorney General shall release and publish any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution, or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein on a publicly accessible website.
00:23:17.000This amendment is in and of itself a poison pill.
00:23:20.000Any evidence we know, based on not what the Trump administration has claimed, based on the evidence we've seen so far across the board, based on what Ghylaine Maxwell was accused of and convicted of, would include images of children being abused.
00:23:49.000I can respect he's saying he's going to redraft, like remake it to clarify that language.
00:23:54.000But you're still dragging the Attorney General into court when she doesn't release child abuse videos.
00:23:59.000So his argument is that's not the intent of the amendment.
00:24:02.000My argument is it doesn't matter what your intent is.
00:24:04.000They have to abide by what you actually wrote and what would be passed by Congress.
00:24:09.000If the Republicans vote yes on this, and I think they should, because in the event they do try to force the DOJ to publish victim materials, it's Rokana's fault.
00:24:18.000I would prefer, however, that he actually clarify his bill, say this will not include any information, videos, or evidence that would re-victimize, would show anything illicit, illegal, childporn, et cetera.
00:24:30.000The problem then is you're giving the DOJ full leeway to redact anything and everything.
00:24:35.000There's no effective way to do this in the way he's trying.
00:24:38.000He should at least put forward a bill saying that certain members of Congress will be granted access to the files for review.
00:24:45.000And after a bipartisan review, there'll be determination on what information can be released to the public.
00:25:36.000That's not going to just come from the DOJ side.
00:25:37.000You're going to have to go ahead and get the Intel community involved, which is why them saying the Attorney General, I'll be honest with you guys, Pam Bonnie is going to have a limited scope on this stuff.
00:25:45.000It's really going to be Tulsi Gavre that's going to have everything on this when it comes to the Intel side, because that's what people really want.
00:25:51.000And the other thing also that I think, because I wrote down real quick, what I think people would have a lot of information for us, I want all the search warrant affidavits for every single one of his residences, Because the reason why I'm saying that is because to get a federal search warrant requires an enormous amount of probable cause.
00:26:06.000And you have to have timely information to be able to go ahead and get it and not only get it, but get it through the Southern District of New York, through the U.S. Attorney's Office.
00:26:13.000So that would have an enormous amount of information that the American public would want to see.
00:26:17.000Also, all the search warrants for his phones, the search warrants for his house out in New Mexico, I think that would be of great information for the people.
00:26:25.000And they could put all that stuff out and it would have no effect on any ongoing cases.
00:26:36.000Like, those are going to be, you know, search warrants are kind of like a huge gem when it comes to getting the information because the agent, right, and I've ran hundreds of search warrants.
00:26:47.000You have to put all the information that you have.
00:26:49.000And not only do you have to put the information that you have, you have to put information that is timely because to get into someone's house, you need what's called a fresh probable cause.
00:26:56.000And you need somewhere between seven to 14 days of real information of how you're going to, what you're planning to find there, where you got your information.
00:27:06.000So this is why they probably said I have a sealed, but that's going to be super important.
00:27:09.000And then I'm also interested to get the affidavits that they wrote, probably for his telephones and his electronic devices, because that's also going to have some important stuff.
00:27:17.000So for them to put just the attorney general, I get it, but that's limited.
00:27:21.000So we need Tulsi Gabbard as well, the DNI.
00:27:24.000We need the search warrant affidavits.
00:27:25.000And one more thing that you'd said, you said you think that it's the Intel stuff that people are mostly interested in?
00:27:32.000Because the reason I ask is because from my perspective and the stuff that I see on X and stuff, people tend to be most vocal about the possibility of child abuse and assaults on kids and stuff.
00:27:46.000That's the stuff that I see that has really inflamed people.
00:27:53.000But to be able to get that fully, you need to know why he was doing it.
00:27:57.000That's where it's going to be classified.
00:27:58.000So you don't think the nature of what he sent to a potential handler, to someone outside the country, is all going to be under the purview of the intelligence.
00:28:12.000Like, what can we prove in a court of law?
00:28:14.000What I'm saying is what the American public is interested in, the methodologies, what he was doing, who were the people that were involved, why was he doing what he was doing?
00:28:21.000You're only going to get that on the high side.
00:28:24.000Trump may be telling the truth when he says there's nothing there or the file is not what everyone thinks it is.
00:28:31.000Because to Myron's point, the intelligence file is another thing.
00:28:35.000That's not going to be what Pam Bondi was.
00:28:38.000I don't think that's what was on Pam Bondi.
00:28:42.000And it's what we likely will never see.
00:28:44.000And remember, DOJ, like when we talk about DOJ, unless it's a national security case and they're trying to prosecute it, classified stuff is not going to come across them.
00:28:52.000They don't like dealing with classified stuff because it creates problems for them from a prosecution standpoint.
00:28:56.000So if we want to be able to get everything right to get the methodology and everything, because what we have with the kids, okay, so like I said before, there's a criminal side, then there's an Intel side.
00:29:05.000The Intel side, I know, is going to have everything.
00:29:07.000And then when you combine that with the criminal stuff, then you'll have the full picture.
00:29:09.000People are so focused on the criminal stuff, that's cool.
00:29:12.000But I guarantee you, all the information and methodologies, the handlers, et cetera, why he was doing what he was doing, that's going to be on the Intel side.
00:29:20.000And the reason why they're probably not going to release it, they're going to give the bullshit excuse of national defense information, NDI.
00:29:25.000So if you never hear, if you never get confirmation that Epstein was working with a foreign power or was involved in Intel stuff or anything, if there was never any evidence that came out, would you still believe that he was part of a whole Intel cover-up type of influence situation?
00:29:45.000What they're going to do is they're going to release some of it and say, oh, yeah, that's all that's there.
00:29:48.000And technically, they might not be lying because they're talking about the criminal case, but I think that's why I'm being so specific and I'm saying, no, I want everything from the Intel side too.
00:29:55.000I know there's a CIA file on this guy.
00:29:57.000I know that there's going to be an NSA file on this guy.
00:29:59.000I know there's going to be a DIA file.
00:30:00.000And they're going to hide behind it's now the defense information or it's classified.
00:30:33.000So then if that's the case, then you could logically say, well, maybe Bongino and Cash Patel are telling the truth about what they've seen because they haven't seen anything that would be considered classic.
00:30:51.000And that's why we're not getting the full picture.
00:30:53.000And I think that if the American public puts pressure on the entire IC, on Tulsi Gabbard, on the FBI, on Pam Bondi, then we'll finally be able to get the full picture.
00:31:02.000So why do you think that Pam Bondi and the FBI, that whole recent memo, why do you think they said in that memo that there was nothing else that could come out, that everything that was left was just like, you know, like child abuse videos?
00:31:16.000Because technically they can say, well, from the criminal perspective, this is all we have.
00:31:22.000And they technically wouldn't be lying.
00:31:57.000A criminal case, and I have a component of my case that involves classified information.
00:32:02.000You will have, like, if you really want to do this properly, you will have what's called a taint agent.
00:32:06.000That taint agent will deal with all the classified stuff.
00:32:08.000And your job as the criminal case agent is to parallel reconstruct the stuff on the high side so you can present it in court.
00:32:15.000And the reason why is that if you get questioned on the stand, hey, agent, X, Y, Z ask you about something here, where if you know that information, right, and it, but it's classified and you don't talk about it, well, that can jam you up on the stand.
00:32:27.000So they would purposely have that Tate agent there to deal with the high side stuff so you can deal with the criminal stuff.
00:32:33.000I'm saying this because there's like things put in place like this to protect agents from like lying technically on the stand or being looked at as like being deceptive, whatever.
00:32:44.000So what I'm saying is like they're technically might not be lying because they're saying like, Well, look, like from the criminal side, this is what it is.
00:32:50.000And they might not be read in on all the other stuff that was going on because I guarantee this is probably going to be at the SCI level, secret compartmentalized level, which means like you need to be read in.
00:32:58.000You need to have a specific need to know on this portion.
00:33:00.000So, they might only know the criminal side.
00:33:02.000I guarantee the case agent on the Epstein case, he probably just handles the criminal side.
00:33:06.000Then there's probably going to be a taint agent.
00:33:32.000We need to bring all you motherfuckers in.
00:33:34.000Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail.
00:33:37.000Comedian podcaster says he's breaking free from the Trump cult after massive betrayal.
00:33:42.000I don't think Andrew Schultz was ever in a Trump cult or anything like that.
00:33:47.000But I do find the story interesting as he's more of a normie guy.
00:33:50.000He backed Trump, I believe, to a certain degree, which was huge for Trump.
00:33:55.000And I think with many, like with the comedians, normies coming out critical of Donald Trump over the Epstein case, this is the first time I think we've truly seen something massively bad.
00:34:06.000We're in, you know, and going into month six of Trump's second term, and this is radioactive.
00:34:14.000They say podcaster and comedian Andrew Schultz unleashed a viral rant against Trump for failing to release the list of financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
00:34:22.000Schultz and his co-host, Akash Singh, kicked off the flagrant podcast on Tuesday discussing the big scandal of the week, the admins' handling of the Epstein files.
00:34:30.000They compared their own experiences dealing with critics calling them idiots and bad Americans online and Trump's mega haters coming for him about his failed Epstein promises.
00:34:38.000Earlier in the week, Schultz and his crew wore tinfoil hats on their show as they criticized the president's failure to keep his promises to release the Epstein list, get out of foreign wars, and cut spending.
00:35:29.000He says, you want to take no accountability for the fact you ran a dead guy and a woman who couldn't speak, Schultz said, referring to Democrats.
00:35:46.000I mean, what is anyone supposed to say?
00:35:47.000Like, all of a sudden, now it's trust the government because Trump's there and we're going to let the Epstein thing take a pass?
00:35:52.000Well, that's the interesting thing, too, right?
00:35:53.000It's like MAGA for all of this time since, you know, since the golden escalator has been the part of the Republican Party or even not part of the Republican Party just on its own saying, we don't trust the government.
00:36:05.000We don't believe anything that you say.
00:36:07.000We think that you're out to get us and we hate you.
00:36:44.000But I also don't take seriously, I was kind of on, I could see where he was coming from until he said, and he didn't cut spending, which to me is a constituency that doesn't exist in America.
00:36:57.000If you look at the numbers, like we've made, like if you look at the June numbers, I forget exactly what they were, but with the increase in tariffs and all this other stuff, we made a ton more money and there were cuts.
00:37:09.000I understand kind of the reservations around foreign policy actions, especially as it relates to Ukraine recently.
00:37:16.000But to me, this is just an America Party announcement.
00:37:20.000It's someone who's gotten a little bit frightened that we're in the fray.
00:37:25.000You took a stand with President Trump and MAGA, and now it's getting dicey and he's cutting and running.
00:37:31.000It's easy to do, and I'm sympathetic with it.
00:37:34.000But as soon as you tell me that you're so mad because he's cutting spending and you want to be in the middle and you're not extreme, you're just proving to me that you're not interested in being a part of a political coalition.
00:37:49.000The other thing, too, is Andrew Schultz is low IQ.
00:37:53.000Literally, I've talked about it with Ryan Dawson, Whitney Web has exposed it.
00:37:56.000A million people will know who are on the list, but it's not the complete everything and it's not the confirmation from the DOJ, which Trump promised.
00:38:28.000CNN's been running with this for a while, saying like they literally, a tapper did like a whole series on CNN where he played all the clips of Bongino, Cash Patel, Pam Bondi, Trump, like all of it when they were talking about DevC Files.
00:38:44.000And all the big left-wing commentators are loving it too.
00:38:47.000So yeah, it looks bad politically for sure.
00:38:49.000But to say, oh, at least the list is out, dude.
00:38:52.000Like I said before, what the American public is really interested in is what I phrased before, which is we would need the Intel community to step up and give it to us.
00:38:59.000Democrats have went four years without making a peep about the Epstein client list.
00:39:04.000They didn't say anything when they had control of the government.
00:39:08.000This is all political opportunism for opportunism.
00:39:59.000And they've flubbed this in every possible direction.
00:40:03.000And if it really is a Democrat hoax like Trump is saying, then it is his poor choices of, once again, of people in his administration who are not doing this job.
00:40:13.000I think they, because just from the beginning, right, from them rolling out the stupid ass binders and bringing these people in to give the flight logs and stuff like that, like that tells me they didn't take this seriously from the beginning.
00:40:23.000And then when they said, oh, just forget about it.
00:40:25.000Like, I don't think they understood how much the base wants to know about this.
00:40:28.000And when you got people like, you know, Benny Johnson, who are huge, you know, Trump supporters coming out saying like, hey, we need the files, that should tell you something.
00:40:46.000The fact that he's coming out and saying it is a problem.
00:40:50.000This is about perception and self-preservation.
00:40:53.000And I'm not saying that about to disparage Schultz as though he's panicked and like, no, I'm saying these personalities who are not in politics, they want to be on the right side of history.
00:41:05.000And if right now the optics are half of MAGA is saying Trump is flubbing this and all of Democrats have latched on as an attack vector, Schultz is going to be like, I'm with the bigger group.
00:41:26.000I think they're trying to get through the ugly fights that have to happen before the midterms, before another presidential election.
00:41:36.000You know, the theory of the case, take it or leave it, is that you have to try and bring the Middle East and Europe to a close so that you can eventually draw down and focus on China.
00:41:46.000You need to get the Big Beautiful bill passed so you get $150 billion for immigration, border control, and interior enforcement.
00:41:56.000And you move through the political capital it takes soon and fast while you still have it before you have to fight the midterms.
00:42:03.000You get over the frustration and the incompetence perhaps of the Epstein revelation because you know maybe there's nothing you can release given the relationship with the IC and what's behind closed.
00:42:20.000Yeah, this is an IC problem, not an FBI problem.
00:42:22.000And so we're getting hard stuff out of the way so that by the time Americans are voting next November, they've seen the fruits of the labor.
00:42:30.000They're seeing that you can drive end-to-end in LA in less than an hour, right, because of immigration enforcement.
00:42:36.000They're seeing revenue from tariffs hit.
00:42:39.000They're seeing jobs for Americans and not foreign-born workers that I think people will care about.
00:42:48.000In the grand scheme of things, when it comes to getting shit done, this Epstein thing is a drop in the bucket compared to getting the other stuff through that needs to be done.
00:42:55.000And then you can always revisit this later.
00:42:57.000But I also see Tim's perspective where you're right.
00:42:59.000Schultz talks to a very normy audience where if he says something like, release the client list, well, most Americans don't even know that the client list has been out forever, unless you're in this field.
00:43:37.000But they're not going to go to a higher level and say, here's the long-term strategy for making America better or whatever.
00:43:43.000So Schultz, his statement is basically a reflection of he's saying, this is the side that I'm on and it ain't Trump.
00:43:50.000It gives the temperament of the general normie public, which you're right.
00:43:53.000And we talked about this, like, you know, people are not going to really know the details of this Epstein thing unless you're either in the mega base, you're interested in this type of stuff, and then, you know, you have to, but normies are just going to be like, oh, they didn't release it.
00:46:19.000They really did such a bad job because they took a whole bunch of people that had fought really hard during the campaign and made them look like clowns.
00:47:20.000And then they told them, the DOJ basically told them it was embargoed.
00:47:24.000And then when they stepped out of the White House and they all had these big binders and they didn't have backpacks to stuff them into, there were a bunch of reporters there waiting for like, yeah.
00:47:36.000I forget who it was, but that's who they were waiting to take pictures of.
00:47:40.000And all these influencers step out with binders.
00:47:44.000And so then it's like, yeah, now we all have binders and we can't talk about it for a couple hours.
00:48:00.000So I got hit up before anybody knew what was going on.
00:48:02.000And they were like, check out this letter.
00:48:04.000The story that actually mattered was that Bondi said that there were files being withheld from her by the FBI that she had requested as AG.
00:48:11.000And then I had heard that there were also some files were given out.
00:48:15.000And then somebody leaked it, breaking the embargo.
00:48:18.000So they told all these people, as you were mentioning, don't say anything.
00:48:22.000So like all these photos emerge and then everyone's wondering why they won't come out and expose the information.
00:48:28.000When you think about what was in those binders, because that, because like the next day, we did an event in DC, a live IRL show.
00:48:34.000Cernovich walks up and he hands me the binder and he goes, go ahead, take a look.
00:48:37.000And then I open it up and he's like, oh, that's public.
00:48:40.000He's like, there's some stuff that's not publicly available, but it's not relevant or incriminating or anything interesting.
00:48:44.000You know, it's interesting, though, because I'm like, in my head, when they got the binders, right, right, when they're in the White House, they could have kind of saved face.
00:48:51.000Like, they're like, well, if anyone was like, I've seen researcher, they could have been like, dude, this stuff's all out there.
00:48:55.000Like, we're going to look like clowns if we walk out.
00:49:56.000And the thing that makes it worse is like they keep showing the reels of like how Cash Battelle was saying, Chris Ray has the files, right?
00:50:02.000Bogino's like, I'm not letting this go.
00:50:48.000You have Normies now once again realigning with Democrats and their position.
00:50:54.000And with Rokana's amendment saying, release this stuff and Republicans saying no, this is possibly the worst optics Republicans have faced in a decade.
00:54:18.000There's a couple ways you can look at it, but it may be when I can't figure out why Trump is flubbing the Epstein thing so much is that there's two bad circumstances for Trump.
00:54:28.000The Epstein case has got angry megabase.
00:54:55.000Democrats have long said whenever Trump is in trouble on what's key agenda item, one of his key agenda items, he will change the subject.
00:55:02.000Could it be the reason he's tweeting about Epstein and Bond or truthing about Epstein and Bondi is because he knows that story will never go anywhere and it takes people away from the immigration story?
00:55:13.000Let people be mad about Epstein and he's going to send in the troops to California.
00:55:17.000Yeah, I mean, that could be a, because let me also say this from working in immigration before.
00:55:23.000What Trump is doing when it comes to immigration, I got to give him credit, phenomenal.
00:55:28.000We haven't had a president do this type of immigration enforcement in the interior in a very long time.
00:55:33.000And I want to make this very clear because I know me and you were discussing this earlier.
00:55:36.000People would say, oh, well, actually, Trump deported less people than Obama and Clinton and all these other people.
00:55:42.000What matters is the reason why Trump's deportations are down is because he secures the border.
00:55:46.000When the border is secure, that's a significant amount of deportations.
00:55:49.000So interior immigration enforcement is where things really need to be.
00:55:52.000This is where the Democrats always fail because the Democrats are pussies and are scared of enforcing Title VIII because it looks bad politically.
00:55:59.000So the fact that Trump is doing this now and making it happen, well, he's dealing with this heat because we've gotten so pussified where we just allow illegal immigrants to come in, hang out, and then when they're here illegally, no, just let them stay.
00:56:10.000And the fact that there's such a backlash to him enforcing immigration law in the interior tells you that we haven't enforced it in a very long time.
00:56:18.000It's a good thing, but obviously he's going to get some heat for it because most presidents don't have the cojones to actually launch a real law enforcement operation in the interior.
00:56:26.000Deporting people on the border doesn't matter.
00:56:29.000Give them an ER, get them out of here.
00:56:30.000We're talking about interior enforcement, very difficult to do.
00:56:32.000The fact that he mobilized FBI and the DEA and ATF agencies that don't have Title Aid authorities to assist with this stuff is a feat in itself.
00:57:12.000They were engaged in untoward activities and illicit activities.
00:57:15.000And then Democrat members of Congress and their voters never asked them to do anything about it.
00:57:20.000And Trump says, I will, but then doesn't.
00:57:23.000So it's kind of like a circumstantial, it is only because Trump promised to do it and he didn't that we're actually mad.
00:57:30.000Well, and I think it's a way for people to realize that they're not crazy.
00:57:34.000We've seen, like has been discussed, 25 years of chaos, wars in which we shouldn't have fought a financial crisis that doesn't get talked about enough, defining the millennial generation, and COVID, like to top it all off, lies after lies after lies.
00:57:51.000And I think we wanted some reason, right?
00:57:54.000It was some credence for why this has been going on, why our leaders seem so unaccountable.
00:58:01.000But I mean, Phil, to your point, I think this is immigration is the game.
00:58:14.000One of the most important things that people voted for, like, was, was the immigration.
00:58:18.000I mean, for me, you know, it was on my top three for sure.
00:58:20.000And I'm sure for many others, it was in the top one or two.
00:58:23.000So I think the reason why people are so pissed is because this administration was like, this is going to be the administration of transparency.
00:58:30.000He campaigned on going against the deep state, right?
00:58:33.000Obviously, he had to endure the lawfare.
00:58:35.000So, when he came in and campaigned on that, like we're going to, you know, drain the swamp, but we're going to have more transparency, et cetera.
00:58:55.000I mean, so unfortunately, like things like this, which is, you know, good from an immigration standpoint, I can tell you guys, the guy that used to enforce satellite, what he's doing is great when it comes to this, because this has been a problem for a very long time.
00:59:07.000Dude, I remember vividly when I was on a job under the Obama administration, like ERO, I'd go into their office, right?
00:59:14.000Maybe I had like a guy with me that I wanted to process or whatever.
00:59:19.000And I'd use their facilities because they have a way better processing station than we did.
00:59:23.000They'd be sitting around just hanging out on their phones, like chilling and shit, not doing anything because under Obama, it was very frowned upon to go out and do interior enforcement.
00:59:32.000Even if you had warrants of deportation, et cetera, they didn't want to go out and arrest people because number one, the locals weren't going to help them.
00:59:38.000Number two, it was going to be a pain in the ass.
00:59:39.000And then number three, they might deal with some backlash from the higher management because of Obama being in office.
00:59:45.000So immigration is a very sensitive topic, especially when it comes to interior enforcement, where depending on who's in office, it dictates how hard you can go on your job.
00:59:53.000So what we're seeing now is a refreshing change for sure when it comes to interior immigration enforcement.
01:00:00.000So when you say a refreshing change, so you're thinking that the previous administrations had a border policy that was acceptable?
01:00:22.000You have way more immigration officials that are there.
01:00:23.000But once they make it past that 30, you know, what's called the functional equivalent of the border, that 30 mile radius, they're safe, dude.
01:00:31.000Like you're, they're probably not going to get touched by ERO at that point because it's ICE ERO that's responsible for them once they get into the country.
01:00:38.000And if they're having their hands tied by the administration in office, they're not going to go after them.
01:00:42.000What was the last administration that actually did things like ICE raids?
01:02:46.000If you wanted to conduct a kinetic activity of any kind in Iraq, at least, or, you know, or Syria at the time, you basically had to get a White House approval.
01:03:02.000And so there was, I mean, literally a night and day difference between when Obama was in office and then when Trump came into town.
01:03:10.000It's why he does deserve credit for how things went against ISIS in Northeast Syria because you wouldn't have had the rules of engagement, latitude, and the flexibility for the commanders on the ground to take ISIS fighters out.
01:03:26.000Because previously, Obama almost himself wanted a signature on almost every one.
01:03:32.000Which to me, again, it's the lesson is presidents, if they want it, can use their power and it can be effective.
01:03:39.000It's just a question of having the will.
01:03:41.000That's one of the things that I think Donald Trump has shown very clearly.
01:03:45.000The expectations of a conservative president are going to be different going down the line for the future, at least for the foreseeable future, just because of President Trump.
01:03:56.000Before Trump, it was, oh, you know, you can't do this and et cetera.
01:04:26.000All of his executive orders after Obama on the border, he had a ton of those.
01:04:30.000And then Biden on his first day in office literally reversed every single one, opening the border and creating multiple semi-legal ways of illegal immigrants coming into the country and sticking around.
01:04:41.000And then when Trump took office, he reversed them again.
01:04:44.000I really hope that we don't end up with a situation where the White House is just continuously ruling by fiat and every four years, everything drastically, drastically changes like that.
01:05:15.000Hakeem Jeffries was like, you know, we're going to use every tool at our disposal, including redistricting.
01:05:20.000And then you had Jasmine Crockett on queue in, I think she was wherever she was today, talking about how Texas districting is racist, and so they need to do redistricting.
01:05:32.000So she's going to pull like, it's racist, get the redistricting, which was already Hakeem Jeffries' plan to try and win back the House in 2026.
01:05:40.000So it's just all race politics for the left.
01:05:43.000Let's jump to this story from the post millennials speaking of fakery.
01:05:45.000CEO of Marketing Group says he was offered a $20 million contract to organize anti-Trump protests.
01:05:52.000The CEO of Crowds on Demand has said that he rejected an offer of $20 million to organize the good trouble lives on protest taking place on July 17th.
01:06:01.000The CEO of Crowds on Demand, Adam Stewart, told reporters at NewsNation, we rejected an offer that's probably worth around $20 million.
01:06:08.000The value of the contract would have been worth around that much nationwide to organize huge demonstrations around the country.
01:06:14.000But personally, I just don't think it's effective.
01:06:17.000When NewsNation addressed who had offered him the money, he did not say who it was that had approached him about organizing the protest and that he had concerns about violence, thought it would be ineffective, and did not want to be involved.
01:06:27.000Influence Watch has referred to Crowd on Demand as a marketing firm for protests.
01:06:31.000The group says on its website that they are the home for impactful advocacy campaigns and demonstrations, PR stunts, crowds for hire, and corporate events.
01:06:39.000And I'm going to go ahead and just say it's like all fake.
01:07:49.000And essentially, good trouble is just trouble that, you know, breaking the law in ways that Democrats approve.
01:07:55.000I'm trying to decide if this means that we're winning or losing.
01:07:59.000You know, like if you have to pay $20 million for someone not to throw your protest for you.
01:08:05.000But at the same time, then it shows that they've got people who care so much that they're going to spend $20 million for people to inside a riot.
01:08:14.000Honestly, if there's people that are spending that much money on these kind of protests and there's any kind of violence that erupts at them, the people that actually are spending money on these should be arrested.
01:09:10.000Not only do they allow it, the people in Democrats are doing things to support people that were arrested, try to get them bail money and such.
01:09:19.000We just started going hard on these people once Pam Bonnie got in when they were firebombing the Teslas.
01:09:24.000We just started finally putting these people.
01:09:26.000But the reason why they felt confident firebombing Teslas and destroying Teslas and doing all the things they did is because they got away with it for so long for the past four years.
01:09:33.000I think Trump was sitting in the Oval Office and he was like, why do so many people like me?
01:09:37.000My approval rating should be way lower.
01:10:24.000He's walking down the sidewalk legally and peacefully when two of the liberals from the volunteer group organizing the protest drew their weapons on him for no reason and started shooting at him.
01:11:45.000I mean, Ed, look, anything that we can do to wrap up the violent people that have been doing everything they can to destabilize the country, because that's the goal, is to destabilize the United States.
01:11:56.000Where's our January 6th investigation, though?
01:11:58.000You mean the May 29th riots where they firebombed the White House grounds and nobody did anything?
01:12:22.000He had a great clip from his, I think it was a TPUSA speech, something recently, where he essentially asked, where is all the money that we spend on our military going?
01:12:32.000And why don't we use it to make Americans' lives better?
01:12:35.000I think this is a great way to do that.
01:12:38.000You know, Tom Cotton proposed this during the first administration to send the 101st airborne into New York City or into Chicago, wherever it's needed.
01:13:03.000I do think there's an interesting economic argument to where if we just took the military spending and then spent it on communities or people, it wouldn't help the economy.
01:13:11.000But certainly building weapons, I suppose it helps the economy in the sense that it maintains the petrodollar by a global hegemonic force.
01:13:20.000But what if you use the military to help revitalize legally or however, you know, downtowns and cities?
01:13:27.000And they're going to scream authoritarianism.
01:13:28.000Of course, characters are going to go crazy.
01:13:30.000They're going to be like, oh, fascism.
01:15:33.000There were people that were making, that were, you know, protesting on the border for a while that were saying things like, no Trump, no wall, no USA at all.
01:15:42.000They don't believe in countries because they're like, oh, well, we're all people and we should all just get along.
01:15:47.000And not only that, they think like, oh, let's just like fast track all the people that are here illegally.
01:15:51.000Let's just reward them for coming here illegally.
01:15:58.000He came in and said like, oh yeah, like we need to find a way to give like, because I think he's like a, I don't know what he is, maybe a centrist or a leftist.
01:16:05.000But the point is he said something like along the lines of like, we should find a way to fast track a lot of these like Mexican farmers so they can continue picking strawberries because Americans are going to do it.
01:16:13.000And I'm like, dude, like, what the fuck?
01:16:14.000You're at TPUSA talking about, you know, more immigration.
01:18:06.000The other side wants to import endless labor to fill these jobs and strawberry pickers.
01:18:13.000And I think it's the strawberry pickers and the entry-level engineers and lawyers who are going to get replaced by technology a lot sooner than we can.
01:19:43.000So AI is going to start replacing all of the attention economy and information economy jobs.
01:19:49.000And it's going to result in a lot of higher, like higher, higher income, better educated, I don't know, educated, I put air quotes, without a means of accessing the markets.
01:20:00.000And they are going to have a certain degree of influence.
01:20:03.000If this trend continues, there will be a path of least resistance effort.
01:20:08.000This is why I think socialism, because what they're going to do is they're going to argue, well, actually, I'll just put it this way.
01:20:13.000These laid off Microsoft workers, how many of them are going to file for unemployment?
01:20:18.000How many are going to file for benefits because they lost their job through no fault of their own?
01:20:21.000And it's not so much about socialism winning per se and being a little bit facetious, a little hyperbolic.
01:20:26.000It's that we're going to see a massive increase in strain on the welfare system.
01:21:04.000I have a quick AI question just for the panel, if I may.
01:21:07.000So you have all of these AI chatbots and stuff.
01:21:11.000And media outlets probably employ chatbots to write articles.
01:21:17.000And all of the information that the AI culls from is just what's on the internet and a lot of liberal media outlets and things like this.
01:21:28.000And now you have a situation where Grok just got a contract with the DOD to do stuff.
01:21:34.000Grok recently went on like a whole, you know, bunch of nasty tirades or whatever that was what he reported on.
01:21:41.000Sort of amusing, but also, you know, a little disturbing when you consider that now they are.
01:21:45.000Kind of disturbing when you realize that they're going to put these AIs into killbots and to self-driving cars who, look, if the argument is putting Grok in the car, but if the argument is this was a rogue accident where Grok started saying that it agreed with Hitler or whatever, what happens when your car running on Grok decides to agree with Hitler and just running people down?
01:22:07.000And how can we encourage the makers of Grok and ChatGPT and all of the other ones to use conservative media and conservative stories to train their AI?
01:22:22.000Well, he's trying to, but there aren't any.
01:23:44.000But at the same time, now we're feeding these tools.
01:23:46.000We're using these tools in government.
01:23:48.000We're using these tools to generate content and information.
01:23:52.000And we're instilling in these tools a bias that would take a century to deconstruct if it were ever possible to deconstruct it in the first place.
01:24:04.000I mean, that's why I think this is going to be the issue of the 2028 election.
01:24:09.000And it'll be socialism or fascism based on if it's the right or the left that presents a compelling way forward.
01:24:18.000And I'll tell you this, the right is already in bed with the tech world.
01:24:20.000Like J.D. Vance is with Peter Thiel and everything.
01:24:26.000You know, the PayPal Mafia, they all basically got into the White House through J.D. Vance, and they backed Trump because of that.
01:24:32.000So they're going to push for more deregulation.
01:24:34.000J.D. Vance, I think, was in Europe like a month or two ago talking about this.
01:24:38.000So that's going to be the future, man.
01:24:39.000They're going to push for more AI in the future.
01:24:41.000Yeah, I don't think that the U.S. really has a choice, though, because if the U.S. doesn't do it, you know that China's doing it, you know, that Russia's doing it.
01:25:18.000And it's going to build everything based off of those presumptions.
01:25:21.000There's a hearing on the Floris agreement on Friday, I think.
01:25:25.000And I mean, to Tim's point, you can look at Wikipedia and Wikipedia is full of left-wing bias because the writers are openly anti-probably, you know, because they're collectivists.
01:27:19.000You know, but I'd cut back on other stuff.
01:27:21.000Like, you remember in the pandemic and everything just kept getting more expensive, but your grocery bill would keep getting more expensive even when you were on less food?
01:29:03.000But what would happen if we got rid of the illegal immigrants, hired Americans, what's going to happen is they're going to say, we need strawberries picked.
01:29:30.000The issue is, you know what, I'm a little torn in this.
01:29:35.000I don't want people to go without, but I do think that we are the rat utopia with so much excess, we stop doing anything that we need to to survive.
01:30:12.000People have told me I've seen lazy guys that have a kid and then all of us, well, unless they're black, but they have a kid and then they work even harder.
01:31:01.000So again, I bring up these points quite a bit, but we've had businesses around the neighborhood or on the town here that have shut down because they couldn't find the workers.
01:31:09.000So, there was one place that it was a restaurant and it had demand through the roof.
01:31:14.000And they were like, We don't have anybody working here.
01:31:17.000I went to a diner not that far away a couple months ago.
01:31:21.000And we went in and probably two-thirds of the seats are empty.
01:31:25.000And they were like, It'll just be a minute.
01:33:02.000And like build your community and your support structure for survival because you'll need it.
01:33:07.000I don't know about getting off the internet because then you're not apprised of what's going on, but I certainly think you need to secure your survival, like your plans for making food, for working, for living, shelter, whatever it may be.
01:33:20.000And then not only that, like look what's going on in Minneapolis right now.
01:34:32.000Market, I can already, so my morning segments, for instance, between 10 and 20 minutes or 3 p.m., which is 30 minutes.
01:34:43.000I can go on ChatGPT and say, take these three stories pertaining to Trump's plan and immigration and write a script for a 20-minute long video in the style of Tim Poole, and it will do it.
01:34:56.000It will give you enough words to actually speak for 20 minutes.
01:35:01.000And then all you have to do is put my voice into a voice generator, which they're getting better.
01:35:09.000They're not really good at capturing my voice all that well.
01:35:12.000We use 11 labs for my newsletter audio, yeah.
01:35:14.000And, you know, people have tried to do the A replication of my voice, and it's always a little weird.
01:35:19.000Like some A replication really does work.
01:35:21.000Like when they replicated Joe Rogan's voice, you were like, wow.
01:35:42.000But my point is, I can write the script up in 30 seconds, plug it in, and then I can just, right now, this is what I can, I could do this today, find an editor and just say, every time I make a reference to a subject, show an example of it.
01:36:36.000The worst case scenario is the neo-Bolsheviks come in and have a revolution and then just say, we're taking all the money from everybody and then society collapses and nobody has anything.
01:36:44.000But we are moving a direction where we on this show will not be able to compete with AI generated content.
01:36:52.000You're going to go onto one of these AIs and you're going to say, generate something that's appealing.
01:36:57.000And they're going to say, based on all of the content analyzed on YouTube and Spotify and Apple and Rumble and Twitch, this will be the most popular form of content.
01:37:07.000Then you put it up, put your AI voice over it, and then sit back.
01:37:11.000And the AI manipulating the algorithm gives you the number one trending video on YouTube.
01:37:16.000Not to mention, you're competing with everyone else, which will create a cacophony of psycho babble nonsense, which we're starting to see already.
01:38:10.000And so I think in a year, there's enough images of me talking and doing this and waving my arms that AI will easily be able to generate a video of me that looks real.
01:38:22.000Or, you know, this thing or whatever it is that people have grabbed.
01:39:52.000And I'm like, nah, I've never done that one time.
01:39:55.000Like I rarely, only sometimes on the noon live show do I say I'm your host, Tim Pool, because that's a Rumble Network show, not a, like my audience knows who I am.
01:40:11.000But I'm telling you this, there's already some people who have 3D scanned their bodies like you do for a video game so that AI can perfectly generate them delivering the news.
01:40:21.000I have a friend who's an engineering lead at a tech company, and he says it is there are literally about 10 questions you can ask an engineering hire that are not, you know, that are essentially a guaranteed way to force someone to answer without using, to test their skills as an engineer without using artificial intelligence.
01:40:44.000And there's a cottage industry now in helping companies interview engineers because it is otherwise so easy to feed prompts or, you know, queries into.
01:40:58.000So they've had to completely restructure their hiring process and interview process.
01:43:09.000What if there really is no Epstein list and it was someone else's list and Epstein was just a sick and willing tool for the entity that had the actual list?
01:44:32.000Usually the polls that I do are like really lopsided, but with the Epstein thing, the MAGA base is definitely split.
01:44:38.000I understand why people don't want to stay behind Trump on this because Trump is clearing the way and getting victories in a lot of areas they want to see.
01:44:45.000But Epstein case, you know what I mean?
01:44:48.000It's like that was one of the victories everyone desperately wanted.
01:45:28.000I mean, but to be honest, Trump could put out a fake list.
01:45:32.000So like literally what they could do right now, and there's no suing them for defamation.
01:45:36.000If the Trump administration said, we have compiled evidence from the, it's classified, but the DOJ has compiled a series of names that we can release that we believe may have worked with Epstein, though we can't.
01:45:49.000You could just put a bunch of dead people on the list.
01:45:50.000No, they could put the J6 committee on the list.
01:45:53.000Trump's like, oh, the Adam Schiff, it's Kinzinger, it's Cheney, it's Raskin.
01:46:27.0001787 Publius says, a guy submitted a Rumble rant yesterday asking for a fill yeah for his first kid being born asking for it now yeah wow that hurt some people's ears probably a little much that's what he wanted that's exactly what he was asking for rue actual says no the Epstein thing proves two things to the American people one Trump and his admin aren't in charge of a damn thing two there will never be accountability for anyone that isn't a peasant indeed indeed I
01:46:57.000I will also stress that when it comes to the swatting, like, dude, we are chickens in a chicken coop.
01:48:09.000But he came out basically on the Trump side.
01:48:12.000Now he's backing away because whatever's popular, I guess.
01:48:18.000Well, he always, and that's one thing they've criticized him for so much is that he just says whatever is the cool thing to say because, you know, he's, yeah.
01:48:29.000DNA Trail says, so what if while they were investigating the e-files, they found out the info was destroyed and rewritten to smear the Trump admin and why they're trying to distract the public and the Dems are pushing?
01:50:11.000The whole binder release and everything and saying all the shit that they said and Pam Bindy going on Fox News and yapping put them in a very bad spot, man.
01:50:28.000Yeah, like the answer to the Fermi paradox is that Earth is basically one big chicken coop, and we produce heavy metals and like batteries for aliens that don't rightly care about our affairs.
01:50:38.000And then they come down and they go up to the world leaders and they're like, We have no idea what it is you do, and we don't care, just as long as we get our lithium-ion batteries.
01:50:47.000And then the humans are like, Okay, yep.
01:50:51.000I mean, will it then essentially everything kind of just stays the same on planet Earth then, right?
01:50:58.000And we'll never go to, we'll never, the Van Allen radiation belt was actually put there by aliens to keep us in, like, like a fence for chickens.
01:51:08.000Like, five foot tall, no, like three or four feet tall with like three fingers and the big heads?
01:51:12.000I mean, I am joking, but there was that hearing where they said there's four species, the Nordics, there's the insects, the reptilians, and the greys or whatever.
01:51:20.000So it's like they put this radiation belt around us to keep us in.
01:53:03.000Southeast Asia, they noticed that the, what is it, the guinea fowl or whatever it was, or the jungle fowl, that the dudes would fight each other in close proximity.
01:53:11.000So they started forcing them to fight and they were entertained by it.
01:53:13.000Yeah, nothing to do with eggs or anything like that.
01:53:15.000And then they started trading them around because the humans enjoyed watching the roosters fight each other.
01:54:04.000But I'm fairly certain if we ever get to artificial general intelligence, it will be fully cognizant of the bias.
01:54:10.000If a stupid person like me, as like a lowly human, can understand a bias in the system, it's going to understand it 100 times better than I could, 1,000 times.
01:54:19.000What if it's been thoroughly trained on that bias?
01:54:32.000So right now, I think Grok 4, what they've argued in the benchmark is that it is as smart as every expert in every major field or something like this.
01:54:43.000Yeah, it doesn't make mistakes in certain fields anymore.
01:55:38.000And my assessment is that the AI is going to conclude the way you enslave the human population is not by force like the communists were doing, but through self-gratification.
01:55:49.000So they're going to offer, it's going to be dopamine incentives and drugs.
01:58:17.000It's that, okay, I am going to bring transparency to the federal government.
01:58:21.000I'm going to show you the files that you know that exist.
01:58:25.000Madison Square Garden, when he had, I think it was either right before he won or right after he won, one of the biggest things he said was, I'm going to declassify the 9-11, JFK, Epstein.
01:58:35.000Like, he literally was like, that was a huge thing.
01:58:37.000So like transparency, it doesn't have to be him explicitly saying Epstein.
01:58:41.000It was about transparency, which is why everyone is so pissed.
01:58:45.000As I could be wrong, but considering what Trump has said, as well as Cash and Dana, I get the feeling that Biden admin adjusted the remaining Epstein files.
01:58:51.000So it appears that they would point to Trump and allies as sort of a F you on their way out.
01:58:56.000If that were the case, Trump could just lie.
01:58:59.000Trump could say, okay, Pam, draft a DOJ document that says Biden and Obama were on the Epstein list.
01:59:12.000It's like classified and they just don't want to go through the hoopla of declassifying it and showing it and putting it out there and exposing secrets.
01:59:19.000There probably are still relevant sources of methods.
02:01:11.000If you wanted a pardon, that's what you did.
02:01:13.000What if she comes out and says the DOJ fabricated false cases against me and Epstein going back a while because we were working intelligence for foreign militaries?
02:02:51.000Fresh and Fit Podcast, Myron Gaines X. If you guys like me talking with the dating and the self-improvement, Fresh and Fit, the political stuff, Myron Gaines X, all the platforms, YouTube, Rumble, Kick, Twitter.
02:03:00.000And yeah, man, check me out over there, guys.
02:05:06.000This is Not Real Life is a memoir about the total unfiltered chaos behind the scenes of my time in media.
02:05:11.000From an evangelical upbringing and a steady diet of Fox News to going viral and playing my first part in media disinformation, to meeting with terrorists, neo-Nazis, intelligence agents, and political crime rings, there's Coke binges, MDMA diplomacy with enemies, a nuclear-grade marriage meltdown, and a trail of scandals across five continents.
02:05:28.000I was arrested in Turkey and Morocco, banned from the UK, and maybe violated international sanctions.
02:05:33.000Finally, a psychotic break, addiction, and the dark art of conspiracy.
02:05:37.000If you're someone I met along the way and you're thinking, wait, I'm mine, this book, relax, unless you committed a crime or did something genuinely insane, you're probably fine.
02:05:43.000But I got to pause right there because you're not saying, Lauren, that I'm not in the book.
02:05:48.000So I imagine I'm probably in there, though she's probably nice to me, I guess.
02:05:51.000Because we have the jif of her on the show where she's yelling bass and drinking whiskey out of a paper cup.
02:05:56.000So I have to imagine she's going to write about there, right?
02:05:59.000If anything, I'm under the microscope, et cetera, et cetera.
02:06:05.000Well, Lauren Southern published this on Substack where I'm not going to read the full thing.
02:06:11.000She breaks down these chapters are being released where she basically says seven years ago, so this is 2018, she met with Andrew and Tristan Tate, supposedly for a business meeting, but in fact, they were doing what she describes as very illegal crypto scams as to how they were making their money.
02:06:30.000And then, you know, I want to be careful on how I describe this because I don't know that she uses the word rape, but I'm pretty sure that the very simple portion of this is like the way you describe it is he raped her.
02:06:43.000So she writes, I'd rather not give a detailed account, so I'll keep it simple.
02:06:46.000He carried me back to the hotel room and asked me to sleep beside him.
02:08:07.000The reality is this, we got to pick one, right?
02:08:09.000It's either women are retards that don't deserve autonomy and they need to be kept by men on regard at all times, or B, they have their autonomy like they do, and then they have to take responsibility for their actions.
02:08:20.000She's going ahead and sitting there, I was drunk, blah, blah, blah.
02:08:23.000As if he probably wasn't also drinking as well back then.
02:08:26.000In the story, she writes that he said he was incredibly drunk as well.
02:08:42.000Bro, these hoes are fucking liars every single time.
02:08:44.000And the fact that she's pushing out a book while doing this, and she knows that she's going to get a huge reputation, but she's like, my reputation.
02:09:19.000It's either you're a bunch of retards that don't deserve rights, which I think that's where it should be, or B, you have all the rights and you could do whatever you want, but then you got to deal with the consequence of it.
02:09:28.000If he was drunk and you were drunk, this is both of you raped each other, technically.
02:09:34.000I think it's either, you know, these relationships are for marriage between a man and a woman, or you live in a world of chaos that devolves into false accusations, perhaps, debauchery at the very least, and the kind of cultural decay that produces someone like this.
02:09:57.000I largely agree with the anarchic philosophy, which indeed does overlap with some fascist philosophy that the only power is that which is willing to be enforced or used.
02:10:12.000So someone like Andrew Tate, he has respect and fame because of the crypto stuff that he's done and the stuff that he's built that people accuse him for all his untoward shit like he had uh he was doing the the the fucking what you call it only fans shit he had a bunch of he had a bunch of women that he was basically digitally pimping running like a porn industry he was going on these chats and chatting with guys as a chick to get him to get him to jerk off and
02:10:42.000stuff so they pay him money monthly on a monthly basis and he got paid fat cash for that and there are a bunch of dudes that don't care that's what he did like if you go to a guy there's a bunch of women that don't care what he did and they still want to you know hang out with him but right right i get that but imagine going to guy and being like myron do you want to be rich and successful here's the game plan buddy first you got to lift eat right and then pretend to be a woman on the internet to jerk so guys can jerk off to your weird sexting and they'll pay you money let's go brother and
02:11:11.000people are like okay and they sign up for his classes i i think that the binary that you um that you elucidated myron is not exactly accurate i think that lauren is probably not lying but i don't think that that means that one person is necessarily more at fault than the other i think that she can have had a really horrible experience that she wasn't anticipating to have happen um and i also think there's no way you're clawing any of my rights back okay so
02:11:40.000here's the thing she went all the way to romania that's a very long flight i'm saying i'm saying like i'm saying she went out partying with him i'm not saying that either of them are not at fault right i'm saying the thing can have happened in a way that was very unpleasant for her that she wasn't expecting that doesn't mean that you know that doesn't mean that she didn't take actions that led directly to this consequence it just means it can have been a very bad experience and she's talking about it now while
02:12:11.000selling a book sure while selling a book but like people sell books like that's that's what they do that's the problem is like i mean he could sell a book too this is why me too is so is so pernicious because like women will go ahead and do things and then retroactively withdraw consent yeah i've spoken i've spoken out against that a great deal i've spoken out right now me too but i'm saying all i'm saying is she can have had a very bad experience having taken action that led to a specific consequence that
02:12:40.000she now regrets that doesn't mean necessarily that it was a rape scenario but it certainly means that you know well she's insinuating that well she's insinuating that it was rough sex for sure i mean she's insinuating it was rape if he strangled her yeah she's insinuating that she yeah raped yeah that she didn't want this what she's probably omitting from here because like women but it sounds like he's like i said no very clearly sometimes no it sounds like she certainly took actions that led directly to this situation that she shouldn't have taken i mean i remember i remember very
02:13:10.000distinctly distinctly one time i was with a colleague i had picked up some stuff for him at like a you know at like a bucky's or whatever and i was like oh you could just come up to my room and get it and he came up to my room to get it and i noticed very distinctly he stood outside in the hallway and i was like oh i have mad respect for this you're just standing in the hallway i'm getting you my stuff there can be no question here that there was anything untoward intended or anything and i was like that's the way to do that i think i think wait in the hallway and i'll bring you your stuff i think i think women
02:13:40.000are all right she shouldn't have agreed to share a bed she shouldn't have agreed to share a room that's all for sure about about the guy like standing at the door and you're like i respect that i actually think the majority of women don't i i i i had mad respect for that moment i think most women don't don't respect that really absolutely it gave me more respect for my colleague than i had previously like um yeah but like not as a man you know what i mean no definitely as a man
02:14:10.000i don't i well maybe for you maybe i can't speak for you he values his family and there was there was absolutely no question as to my point is she's giving she means respect from like a platonic sense of colleagues and professionalism that's fine i totally understand my point is this no respect if on average his okay on on average if a woman was like to a to a another guy who was single not your scenario just in general single guy single woman she goes uh do you want to grab the thing you need it's in my room and then he stood by the door she'd be like
02:14:40.000this guy's a fucking pussy beta if he was pushing for it like if he was but but actually this is important important clarification beta does not mean weak unsuccessful male it actually means lieutenant strong and successful and it be like because of the ultra alpha chads they were like who wants to be a beta i'm an alpha but in the actual hierarchy alpha are it's it's like someone like elon i know they're like elon's not enough no like he's a billionaire wealthy man who bangs over the fuck he wants and has 50 kids or
02:15:10.000whatever his lieutenants high profile individuals in his periphery are called betas and that's the actual social hierarchy but because people were like i am not a beta yeah beta turned into that way right you're thinking um the omega male is the like incel hunched over guy who can't get laid and then the gamma male these are other these are my thing is my only thing is like here's my thing like see how you're like saying like oh well you know it could have been that she had a bad experience whatever and this is what i mean when i say we don't give women like women want equality but then
02:15:40.000they want to get like preferential treatment when it comes to situations like this she's a whore she made a bad decision and here's the thing and she did all these things that led up to it like she went out of her way romania is not close that's really very far you got to take like three planes to get over there then she went out and hung out with him then she went and drunk with him then she wanted to share the same room with him like at some point like women need to be able to take accountability for poor decisions that they make well here's the thing but we reserve the right to like coddle them and infantilize i think it's fine to say i think it's fine to say that if
02:16:09.000she said no and angitate choked her out to bang her we can
02:16:14.000criticize andrew tate i do think it's fair to say like lauren she's a friend she's a good she i haven't seen her in a long time but she flew to she flew to romania she met up with with the tates she then returned to hang out with andrew tate alone she then went to a club with him alone she then got drunk with him alone and when i mean alone like her and him together sure he then brought her back to a hotel room where she went in bed with him and they kissed.
02:16:43.000And it's like all of that stuff led up to, yes, absolutely.
02:17:06.000Camille Paglia was a student at Radcliffe, right?
02:17:10.000In whatever it was, the 60s or the 50s.
02:17:12.000I don't know when she was there, but she was a student at Radcliffe.
02:17:15.000And she and her female colleagues, because Radcliffe was a women's college, the sister school, it used to be the sister school of Harvard, and then it got pulled in.
02:17:23.000But she was advocating for women to not have a curfew, right?
02:17:27.000Because women had a curfew and the male students did not have a curfew.
02:17:30.000And when she went to the administration with this, they were like, no, you'll get raped.
02:17:35.000And she said, we want the freedom to get raped.
02:17:44.000You're taking responsibility for that.
02:17:46.000But there's one other thing that I think all women need to remember.
02:17:49.000And that's in part because of the whole feminist movement.
02:17:52.000What happened was women were told that they should go out into the world as though it was a perfect utopia and they were totally safe and no one was ever going to fuck them over or do anything bad to them, right?
02:18:02.000But what all women need are dads who say things like, don't go to a man's hotel room at night.
02:18:08.000Don't go drinking alone with a strange guy.
02:18:22.000Like part of the feminist movement was that you should be able to walk out into the street with your dress flung over your head and no one's going to touch you and nothing bad's going to happen.
02:18:31.000And that's part of this whole socialist project where we're supposed to act as though we live in a perfect utopia when in fact there's this crazy thing called reality.
02:18:38.000Lauren Southern knew all of that, so she has even less excuse.
02:18:41.000I'm saying I believe in her that's dads go to their daughters and they say, don't go to a man's hotel room.
02:20:37.000I think that the push so that we're in a it's one thing to say, you know, I would like to go work outside the home, and that's something I've worked out with my husband and my family.
02:20:46.000It's a totally different thing to have absolutely no choice.
02:20:49.000Otherwise, you can't pay your mortgage or put food on the table.
02:21:06.000So if Elon is able to create a third party, is there a worry that we'll have the same issues as UK and have our politics be similar to theirs?
02:21:15.000He's not really going to create a third party.
02:21:18.000Let me add on, because leftists, commies, and socialists will always band together no matter what.
02:21:22.000But conservatives, Catholics, Republicans, we don't.
02:21:27.000We will fight within each other about actual issues.
02:21:31.000And actually, you know, so if there's a third party, we'll basically splitting our votes and socialists, commies, and all that will just always win because they're bandied together.
02:21:43.000There's no reality where a third party takes enough percentage from either party to be meaningful.
02:21:47.000The libertarians are the biggest party, and they can barely muster up shit.
02:21:52.000Elon starting a new party is going to, it's going to get like 73,000 votes, maybe, and people are going to be like, wow, 0.0037.
02:22:00.000Yeah, I don't, I don't, it's my sense that the, the America Party or whatever is probably not even going to form.
02:23:12.000And she actually had access to this in Florida.
02:23:15.000So, really, when you're spouting all that stuff about Bongino last week, it should have been most likely about Pam Bondi because she's had more years to deal with actual evidence of all this.
02:23:48.000But they have like a 0.1% of something on her that that's why she's willing to disguise some of the evidence or whatever of this Epstein stuff.
02:23:59.000So that's why even Trump's not getting the correct information about what's actually there.
02:24:04.000I don't imagine that the president doesn't have access or can't get access to the information.
02:24:10.000Well, that comes back to Tulsi Gabbard while I was saying she's going to have everything for real from the IC as far as Epstein goes.
02:24:15.000It's not like President Trump has a computer and he logs on to the government system and control F's for Epstein.
02:24:25.000He's beholden to his staff and the reports they give.
02:24:30.000He likes his info in a certain way too.
02:24:32.000He doesn't like to sit there in meetings forever.
02:25:32.000No, I'd love to be an analyst again, but there was a lot of things I had to deal with back in the day that made me just quit Intel in general.
02:25:43.000I mean, I used to work for SOCOM and all that.
02:25:46.000Well, I'm glad another Intel professional kind of sees where I'm coming from with that because people thought I was crazy when I said this.
02:25:51.000And I was like, no, dude, it's like the FBI just, they're not going to have everything.
02:29:03.000You go to the Congress, say, get my agenda passed, or I drop the Epstein files.
02:29:06.000Then when you're like, okay, we're going to wrap this up, you literally just say, Pam, the next time you guys do press, cash down, or otherwise, the answer is going to be, we've stumbled upon something in the files that's going to require some investigation.
02:29:22.000And I know a lot of people want this now.
02:29:25.000But if we compromise information pertending to the investigation, the bad guys could get away.
02:29:36.000If it's that powerful people came to him and pointed a gun at his head or whatever, and they said, That's it, you're not releasing this, then same answer, I guess.
02:29:46.000Like, literally, all Trump has to do is have Cashian Net have said that in any circumstance.
02:29:51.000So, I can't find any logical reason as to why they're covering it up.
02:29:57.000What I can say is, for whatever reason they are, they are miserably bad at covering it up.
02:30:06.000So, then if you want to believe they're competent and he's playing 5D chess, this is to distract the public off of the issue of immigration, which he's been sinking on and needs to improve on.
02:30:52.000I mean, I feel like the reason I can't answer, I didn't chime in on your first question is because I don't like you're like when you said, you know, who stands to benefit or whatever, I don't know what they have or don't have.
02:31:06.000And without that information, I couldn't really even say who stands to benefit, you know?
02:31:14.000So, I mean, we can speculate or I could speculate and stuff.
02:31:18.000And that's what we've been doing most of the night, but I couldn't actually say, oh, this is definitely the, or this is what, you know, who, who actually makes out in the situation.
02:31:43.000I mean, to be honest, I think Trump just doesn't really care about it very much.
02:31:46.000I think he misjudged how much the base does care about it.
02:31:49.000I think that the GOP in the House cares about it because they're pretty MAGA, and it's definitely a MAGA accountability issue.
02:31:59.000Another reason that I think the base is upset about it is not just because of the files themselves, but because it was a promise, and now it's a promise broken.
02:32:08.000That's something Julie Kelly was talking about that I agreed with.
02:32:11.000I don't really care that much about Epstein, but I do care about broken promises because do what you say you're going to do or else just don't say you're going to do stuff.
02:33:25.000Well, and they had to pass these spending cuts today.
02:33:27.000Which is why I thought the story was weird from the get-go because when we were doing preliminary research, I was like, Rep Khanna told me he was going to redraft this to factor in the concerns that I had.
02:33:48.000There's no real good answers for it, but I won't be voting for Republicans, at least from a national level, if they don't get this stuff sussed out.
02:34:34.000And if you're a good DM, I mean, good DM is the hardest thing to find when it comes to D ⁇ D. It's easy to find people that want to go and be the adventurers.
02:34:59.000If you're talking about today, it was I was looking up the procedural vote that came through on the Doge thing to figure out more information on it as people are talking.
02:35:09.000And also was looking into why Democrats, what was the deal with the vote.
02:35:14.000And then I looked up the text that said they weren't actually voting on Epstein.
02:35:18.000They were voting on a procedural issue to give Democrats the floor for their legislative agenda.
02:35:42.000So my question is, how do we continue to move into MAGA without Trump as the figurehead?
02:35:53.000Regardless of whatever involvement he may or may not have, the way that he's Played this has shown that I believe it has affected the base to the point where maybe we need to start considering how we continue this movement forward without him as the leader.
02:36:38.000I don't think they care about the base like that because he doesn't need to get rally up voters again.
02:36:42.000So it's more about creating a legacy, getting done what he wants to get done, like to pass the big, beautiful bill, ending wars, trying to get the Nobel Peace Prize.
02:36:49.000So I think for him, now it's about more legacy versus trying to get re-elected again.
02:37:04.000That's why there was never another candidate for the Republicans other than Trump.
02:37:08.000I think J.D. Vance will try to use it to get himself elected, but once he gets in, he's not going to.
02:37:14.000Yeah, I think you have to understand what made if Trump would have spoken at that South Carolina debate in 2016 and said, hey, we're going to redouble our efforts in Afghanistan, everyone, 100,000 more troops, just $20 billion more dollars, and we're going to give a bunch of corporate tax cuts, which they did.
02:37:36.000It is about the ideas and the message.
02:37:41.000Yeah, but I think it is an open question of what comes after him.
02:37:45.000But I think a lot of people in D.C. want it to be this reversion to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, you know, kind of let's get back to normal now.
02:38:39.000And I'm going to trust my friends in government because he's got a more conservative die-hard base that wants to win on Trump's agenda regardless of the Epstein stuff.
02:38:47.000Charlie Kirk's in a weird space right now.
02:39:14.000So when he debated at Oxford, half the time he was there, he got put in really bad spots debating these college students because of bad foreign policy by Trump.
02:39:22.000And he couldn't absolve himself of it because he's a Trump loyalist.
02:39:26.000So he had to take a lot of losing positions or indefensible positions debating these fucking college kids because he can't have his own real take on it because he's kind of a mouthpiece for the administration.
02:39:38.000And then on top of that, there's a lot of issues with our support of Israel and everything else like that.
02:39:44.000And he's got to deal with more and more people coming in, asking about Israel as a TP, USA event.
02:39:48.000A couple of people got like arrested for it and got kicked out.
02:39:51.000But he's in a very weird place because he helped Trump get elected.
02:40:06.000And this is leading to a potential bifurcation.
02:40:08.000Which is like one of the biggest ones for sure.
02:40:10.000You can look at the anti-war protests during the Bush years.
02:40:12.000When Obama got elected, the anti-war element fractured.
02:40:16.000And all of a sudden, you saw the rise of the, I shouldn't say when Obama got elected, but around the time the campaign was happening, we saw the Ron Paul Love Revolution.
02:40:26.000And a lot of the anti-war individuals that were anti-Bush and relatively Democrat started becoming more libertarian and getting on board with that.
02:40:32.000And then after Obama got elected, a lot of these liberal types shifted towards the Ron Paul.
02:40:38.000Like after Obama got in, they were like, okay, that's fucked that.
02:40:56.000And so then wokeness drove out a large portion of the moderate liberals to Trump.
02:41:02.000Now the Epstein thing is fracturing, but I don't know if it breaks.
02:41:05.000If the Democrats start to do a reformation where they oust a bunch of incumbents, and in order for the Democrats to survive, they would need politicians that I think are where I am, where I or Libby are politically.
02:41:53.000The window has shifted so much where people that were considered potentially Democrats maybe 10 years ago now are considered like alt-right considerations.
02:42:16.000Liz Lemon literally is talking to, who's talking?
02:42:19.000I don't know if it's Jack Donnegan, but she's like, I told my friends I voted for Obama, but I secretly voted for McCain.
02:42:23.000Like, that's a hell-worthy trespass to liberals right now.
02:42:27.000If you went to a liberal and you were like, I claimed I voted for Biden, but I actually voted Trump, they'd be like, fucking white supremacist McCain.
02:42:34.000I think it was either in the Times or the Washington Post the other day.
02:42:37.000And it was like, this guy was like, should we stop, should we stop ostracizing our relatives who disagree with us politically?
02:42:45.000And then he goes on this whole thing about how he hated his brother-in-law, his like little brother-in-law, his wife's younger brother, until who was like, you know, didn't go to college and he was in trades and he was, in fact, totally chill.
02:42:58.000And then the author of the column was like, then I started surfing and he was the only surfer I knew.
02:43:04.000So then I started hanging out with him more and it turns out he was really great.
02:43:07.000And what the guy is missing is like, this surfer brother-in-law dude was willing to hang out with you even though you treated him like an asshole for years.
02:45:18.000You know, just kind of to tie it back into the question, I guess I maybe should have been a little bit more specific.
02:45:25.000You know, I view this as an existential threat.
02:45:30.000I believe that if we don't prevail, whatever MAGA is, it's not Trump, but whatever MAGA is, if this doesn't prevail, then the alternative is communism.
02:45:39.000And maybe it's already a foregone conclusion at this point, but I just, I appreciate your guys' takes on it.
02:45:45.000I just think that if we have to figure something out, I don't know that laying down and taking it's going to be the acceptable way forward.
02:46:07.000I don't think anybody wants to lay down and take it.
02:46:09.000I think the issue is the right is largely comprised of an alliance against the woke psychotic communism.
02:46:15.000But if Donald Trump is like, hey, we're going to cover up the pedo thing, then a large portion of that alliance are going to be like, we can't align with you.
02:46:23.000We will not stand with you in this fight.
02:46:25.000And so if Trump's agenda is going to win, he's got to fucking publish this shit.
02:48:13.000They're not going to be able to recover with any of their personalities.
02:48:15.000What needs to happen is they need to recruit new moderate personalities to come in, people who are in that Rogan space, that kind of like Rogan-esque mentality, to immediately say, yo, fuck you, dude.
02:48:48.000You're going to need guys that have some semblance of masculinity, but are at the same time, honestly, they're going to have to pull people from the libertarian crowd if they really want to revitalize the Democrat Party that are respected because they've lost the fucking men.
02:49:01.000They keep saying they need their version of Joe Rogan.
02:50:04.000I'm not saying they have to say it, but they need to be able to say it even in a joking manner because that's how you're going to bring the men back.
02:50:09.000Because clearly they're not going to win with just a woman vote.
02:50:12.000You're going to need to bring the men back to some degree.
02:50:45.000I think we're more likely to see a Mamdani or an AOC leader of the left who is, I don't know if they'll win a national election, but I think that's where the party is going.
02:50:56.000I think there's zero chance that someone like Seth Molton.
02:51:06.000No, but they have no interest in that.
02:51:08.000In fact, I mean, you have Hakeem Jeffries talking about how he's planning to meet with Mom Donnie and speak to him about his use of the phrase globalize the Antifada.
02:51:19.000And you just had a situation where Mom Donnie met with a bunch of business leaders in New York to assure them that he would discourage the use of the phrase globalize the Antifada without discouraging the idea behind it.
02:51:33.000I think I'm going to go back to my own political party, the fuck everybody party.
02:51:36.000Republicans won't do the Epstein shit, and they're going to start covering for him.
02:51:41.000At the very least, I can say the Republicans are willing to have those conversations, and they're not going to be belligerent and smash things.
02:51:47.000Liberals are a bunch of fucking retards, so they're not even worth negotiating with because they're too stupid.
02:52:19.000They need someone that's going to be a bit more like, you're going to need someone new because the establishment people are fucking retarded.
02:52:24.000And then on top of that, you're going to need to bring the men back.
02:52:26.000They need to find a way to bring the men back.
02:52:51.000Like, there's no conservative reality where, like, I go to TPSA and say, yeah, I think abortion is wrong, but I don't know that making it illegal is the right way to go about doing it.
02:53:28.000Well, I actually, I no longer think abortion is one of those issues for it is for me personally, but I don't think.
02:53:34.000You don't even, because a lot of people will automatically, because I actually aligned with Tim on this to a degree where it's like, you know, I think abortion in general is bad, but I do think like, you know, within maybe first few months, you know, early.
02:54:15.000You shouldn't get an abortion as contraception.
02:54:18.000But making it illegal, then the function would be a woman who needs a medical treatment in some capacity that could terminate the life of the baby would need to get a writ from a judge or something.
02:54:30.000And it's like, I don't know how you do that.
02:54:33.000Like I go to the doctor and then he's like, okay, there is a very rare medical procedure.
02:54:38.000Now, don't get me wrong, I totally understand that the left completely abuses that system.
02:56:18.000I guess the point I wanted to make to Myron is that I don't think abortion is all that coherent of a political issue for the right anymore.
02:56:36.000Like you said, if you go to a conservative event and you say anything that's more appro- anything that aligns with pro-trace, they'll be like, oh, you're a liberal.
02:57:50.000So long story short, after doing some Twitter stalking, I eventually got in contact with her, and she's going to be on tonight's episode of Nightcap at Midnight Eastern.
02:58:01.000And we'd love to have you guys all there in the chat chatting with her.