Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Calls Epstein Case A HOAX By Democrats, GOP Votes TO BLOCK Release | Timcast IRL

00:02:49.000 Donald Trump, when asked by a reporter, says the Epstein files are a made-up Democrat hoax.

00:02:55.000 As Republicans have now voted in committee and on the floor to block the release of the files after Democrat ReproConna put forth an amendment saying, any documents, any files related to the Epstein's case, his prosecution, and any evidence must be published by the DOJ in 30 days.

00:03:13.000 Now, according to Exios, it's because the Republicans have an agenda and a literal legislative agenda.

00:03:21.000 And if they vote on Rep Rokana's bill, it changes the agenda for the day, which is kind of a dumb argument because, I mean, this is the Epstein case.

00:03:30.000 What else matters, right?

00:03:31.000 The issue, however, the Kana amendment says they've got to publish any evidence.

00:03:36.000 Now, I spoke with Rep Rokana earlier, and he said it is not his intention to require them to publish the videos of the victims being abused, but that is the evidence.

00:03:46.000 And if you say the evidence has to be public, that's what you're saying.

00:03:48.000 Now, Rep Rokana said he will introduce a bill bipartisan that amends his makes it clip.

00:03:55.000 It's not what he wants.

00:03:56.000 In the meantime, it appears that the same amendment was brought to the floor and it was defeated.

00:04:01.000 Not a good day for Republicans.

00:04:03.000 Comedian Andrew Schultz has apparently come out saying he's sick of all the parties and Trump, I think, is going to hurt from this.

00:04:10.000 He campaigned on this.

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00:07:39.000 I am Phil That Remains.

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00:07:45.000 Let's get into it.

00:07:46.000 Here's the story from Disclose TV.

00:07:48.000 Actually, it's a clip from C-SPAN.

00:07:50.000 Trump repeats that the Epstein files are a made-up Democrat hoax.

00:07:56.000 Here's the clip, ladies and gentlemen.

00:07:58.000 No, no, she's given us just a very quick briefing.

00:08:03.000 And in terms of the credibility of the different things that they've seen, and I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey.

00:08:11.000 They were made up by Obama.

00:08:13.000 They were made up by the Biden information.

00:08:15.000 You know, and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia-Russia hoax, with all of the different things that we had to go through.

00:08:24.000 We've gone through years of it.

00:08:25.000 But she's handled it very well, and it's going to be up to her.

00:08:28.000 Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release.

00:08:32.000 So he's saying the files are a hoax.

00:08:35.000 What does he mean by that?

00:08:37.000 Is he saying that the actual documents they have, they're not going to release, because he's saying it's made up by Comey and Obama and that crew?

00:08:44.000 Does he really expect that everyone's going to buy that?

00:08:47.000 I don't think it's going to work.

00:08:48.000 I think the administration has been so careless with the rollout of this stuff.

00:08:54.000 I'm almost to the point where no matter what they actually do put out for public consumption, people are going to feel like there's more.

00:09:02.000 People are going to feel like it's not enough.

00:09:04.000 There's other things that are being hidden.

00:09:07.000 These press conferences and speaking to the press and not having all your ducks in a row is probably the worst thing that they could have done.

00:09:16.000 And it's really hurt the MAGA.

00:09:18.000 The base is trust in the administration.

00:09:21.000 It's also given the Democrats a really big opening, right?

00:09:24.000 I mean, we see that now too. 0.82

00:09:25.000 We see AOC being like, oh, of course, if you have a rapist in the White House, then you're not going to release the Epstein tapes.

00:09:31.000 You have Roe Khanna coming out and being like, basically, you know, the Democrats are like, we're going to attach, release the files to every single bill you guys put forth, which is a big stunt, but is what they're doing.

00:09:43.000 And today they, you know, over the weekend, Epstein was a huge deal at Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.

00:09:49.000 Everyone had something to say about it.

00:09:50.000 Jack Pesobic, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Megan Kelly.

00:09:54.000 There was an awful lot to talk about, Tucker Carlson.

00:09:57.000 And then today you have Trump.

00:09:59.000 First, he calls it a hoax.

00:10:00.000 He also then said that Pam Bondi should release any remaining files.

00:10:06.000 And then he repeated that later, I think on the tarmac at Andrews.

00:10:11.000 He said, let them have it, release any credible information.

00:10:15.000 What does that mean, credible information?

00:10:18.000 I have no idea what that means.

00:10:20.000 I mean, does it mean like the stuff that's not the victims?

00:10:23.000 You know, nothing about the victims.

00:10:24.000 Does it mean the grand jury testimony?

00:10:27.000 Does it mean depositions?

00:10:29.000 Guys, just help me out here.

00:10:31.000 I don't understand what's going on.

00:10:33.000 Why doesn't Trump just lie better?

00:10:35.000 Well, I was in Tampa too for that event.

00:10:38.000 And yeah, I mean, that was the talk.

00:10:39.000 I mean, even everyone in the base is pretty much pissed off about this whole Epstein thing.

00:10:44.000 And hell, I debated Esteana a little bit as well about it.

00:10:48.000 And, you know, I gave my position on it yesterday.

00:10:51.000 I don't think we're ever going to get it because of the sensitive nature where I think there's going to be other foreign nations implicated.

00:10:57.000 We know which one, especially in the Middle East.

00:11:00.000 But, you know, first it was there's no files, nothing to see here.

00:11:03.000 Now it's, oh yeah, just release whatever's credible.

00:11:05.000 It just looks bad.

00:11:06.000 And then you were saying, Phil, how like they rolled out this out poorly.

00:11:09.000 I agree. 0.99

00:11:10.000 As soon as they brought those idiots over to the White House and gave the binders of the flight logs, which we had already all saw before. 0.99

00:11:16.000 And it was more redacted than information already in the public. 1.00

00:11:19.000 Yes, yes, it was really bad.

00:11:20.000 So this entire Epstein situation has been 100% fumbled, right?

00:11:26.000 You know, with the JFK stuff, they fumbled that a little bit too.

00:11:29.000 But let's be honest, the people that care about JFK and crazies like me and some others, but it's so old.

00:11:34.000 Most of the people are dead from it.

00:11:35.000 But Epstein people are interested in, right?

00:11:37.000 Because it was recent.

00:11:38.000 So they can't fumble that one as bad.

00:11:42.000 I think people care about it because it gets to the question of this deep suspicion that we can't trust the people in charge of our government and that we don't know who's in charge.

00:11:54.000 Ron Dodson had a great tweet thread about this, that it's kind of a Rorschach test.

00:12:00.000 If you try so hard to not care about this, it's worth being suspicious about you, right?

00:12:07.000 But to the rest of us, and I do think normal people care about this, actually.

00:12:12.000 It's this final kind of window into a potential loss of faith of the integrity of, I'm not going to say the integrity of our democracy, but who's in charge?

00:12:24.000 No, I mean, to that point, I mean, you look at the past 25 years, the lies about the Iraq war, then the Democrats swore up and down that they weren't targeting Republicans, but there was the IRS Lois Lerner scandal.

00:12:38.000 Then you have the whole Biden administration.

00:12:41.000 There was COVID where we were lied to.

00:12:44.000 The young people in America have never known a time, Gen Z I'm talking about, have never known a time where the government wasn't just lying outright.

00:12:54.000 At least people my age can look back and say, well, you know, I mean, before the turn of the century, there were times where the government was dishonest, but they were, you know, trying to do this or we had some amount of faith.

00:13:06.000 maybe it was misplaced, but we had some amount of faith that the government was being honest.

00:13:10.000 If you're a Gen Z, you're like, look, the government has been lying for my entire life.

00:13:15.000 I've never known anything other than the government to lie to us.

00:13:18.000 They ruined my.

00:13:21.000 If you're 25 now, they ruined you as a young person.

00:13:26.000 They destroyed, you know, you couldn't go to your prom.

00:13:31.000 You couldn't go do activities with your friends.

00:13:34.000 All these things that were absolutely stolen from Gen Z because of lies.

00:13:41.000 So now they're hoping that Donald Trump is going to actually be responsive to the things that they want.

00:13:49.000 And it looks like in at least this case, he's not.

00:13:52.000 And you're going to see Gen Z is not going to tolerate that. 1.00

00:13:55.000 And the other thing, too, is, you know, you brought up a good point there.

00:14:00.000 They had alternative media.

00:14:01.000 We didn't.

00:14:02.000 So we fell for the, they hate us because we're free.

00:14:05.000 They, we fell for the, you know, we need to go ahead and invade them because of weapons of mass destruction.

00:14:10.000 Like we had only the mainstream media back then.

00:14:13.000 But like these younger people, they've had social media and had alternative media.

00:14:17.000 So for them, like mainstream media is like a dying thing.

00:14:20.000 Like we still watch it to a degree because that's what we grew up on.

00:14:23.000 But alternative media has taken over.

00:14:24.000 And this past election proves that.

00:14:27.000 Well, and that was Andrew Breitbart was really one of the first people coming out being alternative media.

00:14:31.000 Right.

00:14:32.000 And that was what, like late, that was like mid to late 90s.

00:14:35.000 Really?

00:14:36.000 Was that that long ago?

00:14:37.000 Yeah, because he was.

00:14:38.000 Was it Drudge?

00:14:39.000 Yeah, Drudge wasn't.

00:14:40.000 It was Alex Jones.

00:14:41.000 He broke the...

00:14:46.000 I don't know.

00:14:46.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:14:47.000 I think I was like seven.

00:14:49.000 I recently did some, I try and do some digging when I don't know something and figure it out.

00:14:53.000 And yeah, Breitbart was part of the Lewinsky dress thing.

00:14:56.000 You know, he used to be a liberal?

00:14:57.000 Because it was on Drudge.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, he sure.

00:14:59.000 Well, Southern California.

00:15:00.000 Right.

00:15:01.000 You had to like, like, go searching for it versus like now, like, people would rather have just watched their favorite political commentator than watch the news, which is what I've realized.

00:15:08.000 Like, it's, it's like completely different.

00:15:10.000 It's like you said, like, you, before 20 years ago, mainstream media was it, right?

00:15:15.000 Alternate media still existed, but like you had to go looking for it.

00:15:18.000 Now it's like people are like, you know what, I'd rather just see what my favorite political commentator has got to say about this versus CNN.

00:15:24.000 Just to play like devil's adiquate for a second.

00:15:26.000 So all these files were basic, like alleged, you know, files were in the Eastern District of New York, right?

00:15:31.000 Like the prosecutors had them there.

00:15:32.000 Southern District.

00:15:33.000 Southern District.

00:15:34.000 So do we think that there could be a situation where they had a bunch of information and either trashed it or misplaced it?

00:15:42.000 Because these would have been a lot of analog files or even like at best, they would have been like, you know, those big square floppy disks.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, so I could talk to that a little bit.

00:15:50.000 So the thing with the Epstein, which makes it so complicated and why it's so convoluted, is because it was a criminal case and there's an intelligence aspect, right?

00:15:59.000 So we know that the FBI did a criminal case, you know, 20, what they picked him up in 2019, if I'm not mistaken, 2018, they arrested him and then he ended up dying in the summer of 2019.

00:16:08.000 So Southern District of New York and FBI in New York is the one that ran the criminal case.

00:16:12.000 Now, obviously, the criminal case is going to have stuff that's unclassified because criminal cases, you can't put anything classified in there or you have to declassify it to use it.

00:16:20.000 And then Glenn Maxwell, we know, went to trial.

00:16:20.000 So they have that.

00:16:22.000 So you can go, anyone that went to the trial would be able to see a lot of the evidence that probably would have been used against Epstein himself.

00:16:28.000 But with that said, there's obviously going to be a classified or what we call a high side.

00:16:32.000 I know you know about that from the military.

00:16:33.000 There's going to be a high side.

00:16:35.000 And that's going to have a lot of the stuff that has to do with potentially him being a counterintelligence agent or agent or whatever.

00:16:40.000 But, and I was saying this yesterday, I think the people that are really going to have a lot of the info, it's not going to just be the FBI.

00:16:45.000 The FBI is going to have a piece of the pie.

00:16:46.000 It's going to be the CIA because of him being potentially involved with a foreign intelligence service.

00:16:52.000 CIA handles, you know, foreign.

00:16:54.000 So I think Tulsi Gabbard has far more of a role in this situation or should have far more of a role in this situation than a Pam Bondi because the DOJ is not going to be privy to stuff from the IC unless it comes from the FBI.

00:17:05.000 And the FBI is just one component of the IC versus all the other intelligence apparatus.

00:17:10.000 To your point, no, it's perfectly fine.

00:17:12.000 But to your point, even if Congress were to have passed the bill today and it were signed into law, Congress doesn't have the ability to declassify stuff.

00:17:21.000 So it would still take the president saying, oh, these things that are classified, well, I'll declassify them so people can see them.

00:17:27.000 So it doesn't matter what Congress does when it comes to things that would have been classified by CIA or DNI or whatever.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, and I know Tulsi Gabbard, right, since she's over at DNI, because this is what I assume, and I think I'd love to get your take on this too, being a foreign military guy.

00:17:43.000 Like, obviously the FBI has a piece of the pie with the criminal case and then what he was doing, right?

00:17:47.000 Because just based off of them doing their investigation, they had to have come across what he was doing and how he was been able to be protected for so long.

00:17:54.000 Then I know the CIA is absolutely going to have a file on him because he was collecting intelligence for a foreign country.

00:17:59.000 Then I know DIA, NSA, all these different components are going to have all the information.

00:18:04.000 The only person I could think of that's going to have everything in totality, more than likely, or at least will have access to it, is going to be Tulsi Gabbard.

00:18:10.000 And she is the main conduit of information that gives it to the president, right?

00:18:14.000 We know Trump distances himself from the intelligence components because he doesn't really trust them.

00:18:18.000 So Tulsi Gabbard's going to have everything.

00:18:21.000 So I think that's what the people really want.

00:18:23.000 Like, obviously, we kind of know who's on the client list already.

00:18:25.000 We kind of know what he was doing.

00:18:26.000 We want to know who he was working for, what he was doing specifically, how he was going about it, methodologies and modes.

00:18:32.000 So I think that's where a lot of the sauce is going to be.

00:18:35.000 You know, the FBI, you know, they're getting held accountable for sure, and Pam Bonnie's getting made fun of. 1.00

00:18:39.000 But I do think that there is a significant amount of intel that's going to be with the intelligence community.

00:18:45.000 It would be nice to see some journalists going after, or at least investigating where he got his money, who was actually investing with him.

00:18:54.000 There's not a lot of information that's out there about who was actually giving him money, how much, you know, what type of money.

00:19:00.000 I know it was Les Wexner, but yeah, they keep him out the fray.

00:19:04.000 Wasn't the issue the original search warrant in 2008 or 2009 was so weak that it essentially allowed them to take a modicum of action to investigate him while allowing a cover-up?

00:19:18.000 The bare minimum.

00:19:19.000 I think to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, he's probably in a situation where there is perhaps not much else.

00:19:28.000 And so to release the files would only be to fuel specifically.

00:19:35.000 speculation disappoint his base we're going to finish finish well and so you know i i think he's when he says that it's a it's a hoax i i i don't think he's lying to us but uh you know, I think he's trying to prepare us for disappointment.

00:19:50.000 But this is what he might not be able to control.

00:19:52.000 What if Epstein is a hoax and Democrats, they made the whole thing up with Comey during Trump's first term?

00:20:00.000 They were like, if he ever gets back in, we're going to cede this.

00:20:04.000 They're going to start promoting the conspiracy theory, and then it will be a hoax and there will be no files at all.

00:20:09.000 I'm sorry, that's kind of like the least believable thing imaginable that the Democrats made up the Epstein files.

00:20:16.000 Cash, Trump all campaigned on this, and then they get in and then go, well, it was a hoax.

00:20:23.000 Like, dude, I'm sorry.

00:20:24.000 I can't believe it.

00:20:25.000 Although it is a good way to ruin credibility.

00:20:27.000 Media, which I agree with this 100%, CNN has published several stories on this.

00:20:32.000 A lot of these guys on left wing have been absolutely going at, you know, I've seen Hassan, Kyle Klinsky, all these guys are like loving it.

00:20:38.000 Like, yes, look, MAG is going crazy because this is something that Caspatel and, you know, Bonjin and all these guys campaigned on or talked about in their podcast because a lot of these guys were former influencers.

00:20:47.000 And then for them to get into power and then be like, oh, there's nothing here or it's not getting, you know, they're not putting out the information, you know, obviously it looks very bad.

00:20:54.000 And like the Democrats are loving it right now.

00:20:56.000 It's a big W for them in their eyes.

00:20:58.000 Let's jump to the story from Axios.

00:20:59.000 House GOP blocks second Democrat attempt to release the Epstein files.

00:21:05.000 And I'm sorry, this is optic victory for the Democrats.

00:21:10.000 Republicans are flubbing this bad.

00:21:12.000 Axios says House Republicans on Tuesday voted on another Democrat procedural maneuver aimed at forcing the DOJ to release documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:21:21.000 It's the second time this week Democrats have forced their GOP colleagues to choose between loyalty to Trump and a mega base that is furious.

00:21:28.000 Democrats are already promising future votes.

00:21:31.000 Quote, that was probably not the last time you're going to see us deal with this issue, House Rules Committee Ranking Member Jim McGovern told Exios.

00:21:39.000 Republicans dismissed the vote as a cynical partisan ploy with Rep Tim Burchett telling Exios, it's just politics.

00:21:45.000 It's not about protecting little children, and that ticks me off.

00:21:48.000 The House voted 211 to 210 against allowing a House vote on Rep Rokana's measure to force the DOJ to publish the Epstein files online within 30 days.

00:21:59.000 Democrats' procedural motion would have scuttled the GOP's legislative agenda for the day in favor of the Kana bill, making it difficult for Republicans to vote for it.

00:22:06.000 The vote went along party lines.

00:22:07.000 It came after Republicans in the House Rules Committee voted Monday night against attaching the Epstein language to a broader cryptocurrency and defense funding vote.

00:22:15.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:22:17.000 Here's the Kanna amendment, and I did speak with Rep Khanna earlier.

00:22:21.000 He told me that he was going to draft a bill, a new one, that clarifies the language because it is not his intent that the DOJ publish all of the videos of abuse on their website.

00:22:32.000 That being said, if this was presented to me and I was told to vote on it, there's only one thing you can say.

00:22:39.000 You can say no.

00:22:40.000 Democrats, knowing they won't win, get to vote yes because it's a political ploy.

00:22:44.000 But with respect to Representative Khanna, I want to see him put out the new measure that clarifies this would not require the DOJ to publish thousands of videos of child porn.

00:22:54.000 The amendment says, A, the Attorney General shall retain, preserve, and compile any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution, or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:23:03.000 B, not later than 30 days after the date of this enactment of this act, the Attorney General shall release and publish any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution, or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein on a publicly accessible website.

00:23:17.000 This amendment is in and of itself a poison pill.

00:23:20.000 Any evidence we know, based on not what the Trump administration has claimed, based on the evidence we've seen so far across the board, based on what Ghylaine Maxwell was accused of and convicted of, would include images of children being abused.

00:23:36.000 And it's laughably insane.

00:23:39.000 Look, with all due respect to RepCon, he said, our legal understanding from our team is that the DOJ would not have to publish that.

00:23:47.000 And I'm just like, yeah, sorry, dude.

00:23:49.000 I can respect he's saying he's going to redraft, like remake it to clarify that language.

00:23:54.000 But you're still dragging the Attorney General into court when she doesn't release child abuse videos.

00:23:59.000 So his argument is that's not the intent of the amendment.

00:24:02.000 My argument is it doesn't matter what your intent is.

00:24:04.000 They have to abide by what you actually wrote and what would be passed by Congress.

00:24:09.000 If the Republicans vote yes on this, and I think they should, because in the event they do try to force the DOJ to publish victim materials, it's Rokana's fault. 0.64

00:24:18.000 I would prefer, however, that he actually clarify his bill, say this will not include any information, videos, or evidence that would re-victimize, would show anything illicit, illegal, childporn, et cetera.

00:24:30.000 The problem then is you're giving the DOJ full leeway to redact anything and everything.

00:24:35.000 There's no effective way to do this in the way he's trying.

00:24:38.000 He should at least put forward a bill saying that certain members of Congress will be granted access to the files for review.

00:24:45.000 And after a bipartisan review, there'll be determination on what information can be released to the public.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, that seems like a better bill.

00:24:51.000 Do you think that he'll rewrite it and come back?

00:24:53.000 I think he'll rewrite it in such a way that it would just give the DOJ clearance to redact everything.

00:24:59.000 Like, I'm sorry, the letter of this amendment is clear.

00:25:03.000 And Democrats are mad at me and yelling at me, but I'm right.

00:25:07.000 It says any evidence-related.

00:25:10.000 There's no provision that would give the DOJ clearance to decide when not to release evidence.

00:25:14.000 It says they have to do it.

00:25:15.000 So how do Republicans vote yes on this?

00:25:18.000 You know, this is a perfect example of, this is the importance of.

00:25:23.000 Again, that's not going to get us everything that we need.

00:25:26.000 The stuff that people, the stuff that the American public are interested in, they want to know what he was doing, who he was working for.

00:25:32.000 Was he actually an asset for a foreign intelligence service?

00:25:35.000 That's what people want.

00:25:36.000 That's not going to just come from the DOJ side.

00:25:37.000 You're going to have to go ahead and get the Intel community involved, which is why them saying the Attorney General, I'll be honest with you guys, Pam Bonnie is going to have a limited scope on this stuff.

00:25:45.000 It's really going to be Tulsi Gavre that's going to have everything on this when it comes to the Intel side, because that's what people really want.

00:25:51.000 And the other thing also that I think, because I wrote down real quick, what I think people would have a lot of information for us, I want all the search warrant affidavits for every single one of his residences, Because the reason why I'm saying that is because to get a federal search warrant requires an enormous amount of probable cause.

00:26:06.000 And you have to have timely information to be able to go ahead and get it and not only get it, but get it through the Southern District of New York, through the U.S. Attorney's Office.

00:26:13.000 So that would have an enormous amount of information that the American public would want to see.

00:26:17.000 Also, all the search warrants for his phones, the search warrants for his house out in New Mexico, I think that would be of great information for the people.

00:26:25.000 And they could put all that stuff out and it would have no effect on any ongoing cases.

00:26:31.000 Cases are closed.

00:26:32.000 To this day, search warrant affidavits are still sealed.

00:26:35.000 And I want to see those.

00:26:36.000 Like, those are going to be, you know, search warrants are kind of like a huge gem when it comes to getting the information because the agent, right, and I've ran hundreds of search warrants.

00:26:46.000 That's why I can speak about this.

00:26:47.000 You have to put all the information that you have.

00:26:49.000 And not only do you have to put the information that you have, you have to put information that is timely because to get into someone's house, you need what's called a fresh probable cause.

00:26:56.000 And you need somewhere between seven to 14 days of real information of how you're going to, what you're planning to find there, where you got your information.

00:27:04.000 It's going to expose sources.

00:27:05.000 It's going to expose methodologies.

00:27:06.000 So this is why they probably said I have a sealed, but that's going to be super important.

00:27:09.000 And then I'm also interested to get the affidavits that they wrote, probably for his telephones and his electronic devices, because that's also going to have some important stuff.

00:27:17.000 So for them to put just the attorney general, I get it, but that's limited.

00:27:21.000 So we need Tulsi Gabbard as well, the DNI.

00:27:24.000 We need the search warrant affidavits.

00:27:25.000 And one more thing that you'd said, you said you think that it's the Intel stuff that people are mostly interested in?

00:27:31.000 Is it really your sense that?

00:27:32.000 Because the reason I ask is because from my perspective and the stuff that I see on X and stuff, people tend to be most vocal about the possibility of child abuse and assaults on kids and stuff.

00:27:46.000 That's the stuff that I see that has really inflamed people.

00:27:50.000 Do you feel differently?

00:27:50.000 Yeah, no, no, no.

00:27:51.000 100%.

00:27:53.000 But to be able to get that fully, you need to know why he was doing it.

00:27:57.000 That's where it's going to be classified.

00:27:58.000 So you don't think the nature of what he sent to a potential handler, to someone outside the country, is all going to be under the purview of the intelligence.

00:28:08.000 Because here's the thing.

00:28:08.000 The criminal case is only getting a component of it, right?

00:28:11.000 The criminal case is getting it.

00:28:12.000 Like, what can we prove in a court of law?

00:28:14.000 What I'm saying is what the American public is interested in, the methodologies, what he was doing, who were the people that were involved, why was he doing what he was doing?

00:28:21.000 You're only going to get that on the high side.

00:28:23.000 And everything.

00:28:24.000 Trump may be telling the truth when he says there's nothing there or the file is not what everyone thinks it is.

00:28:31.000 Because to Myron's point, the intelligence file is another thing.

00:28:35.000 That's not going to be what Pam Bondi was. 0.94

00:28:38.000 I don't think that's what was on Pam Bondi.

00:28:42.000 And it's what we likely will never see.

00:28:44.000 And remember, DOJ, like when we talk about DOJ, unless it's a national security case and they're trying to prosecute it, classified stuff is not going to come across them.

00:28:52.000 They don't like dealing with classified stuff because it creates problems for them from a prosecution standpoint.

00:28:56.000 So if we want to be able to get everything right to get the methodology and everything, because what we have with the kids, okay, so like I said before, there's a criminal side, then there's an Intel side.

00:29:05.000 The Intel side, I know, is going to have everything.

00:29:07.000 And then when you combine that with the criminal stuff, then you'll have the full picture.

00:29:09.000 People are so focused on the criminal stuff, that's cool.

00:29:12.000 But I guarantee you, all the information and methodologies, the handlers, et cetera, why he was doing what he was doing, that's going to be on the Intel side.

00:29:20.000 And the reason why they're probably not going to release it, they're going to give the bullshit excuse of national defense information, NDI.

00:29:25.000 So if you never hear, if you never get confirmation that Epstein was working with a foreign power or was involved in Intel stuff or anything, if there was never any evidence that came out, would you still believe that he was part of a whole Intel cover-up type of influence situation?

00:29:45.000 What they're going to do is they're going to release some of it and say, oh, yeah, that's all that's there.

00:29:48.000 And technically, they might not be lying because they're talking about the criminal case, but I think that's why I'm being so specific and I'm saying, no, I want everything from the Intel side too.

00:29:55.000 I know there's a CIA file on this guy.

00:29:57.000 I know that there's going to be an NSA file on this guy.

00:29:59.000 I know there's going to be a DIA file.

00:30:00.000 And they're going to hide behind it's now the defense information or it's classified.

00:30:03.000 I know we need that.

00:30:04.000 Because if we want the Epstein in totality, we must get the high side stuff.

00:30:07.000 I agree with you, I think that the stuff on And they're like, we want the FBI file.

00:30:15.000 Bro, the FBI is going to have a limited portion of it.

00:30:17.000 Like the guy was a foreign agent.

00:30:19.000 We need everything from the IC, everything.

00:30:21.000 And the only person that's going to have that is going to be Tulsi Gabbard.

00:30:23.000 I think you're right.

00:30:27.000 It's not just going to be on Bongino and Pam Bondi and Cash Patel.

00:30:30.000 The FBI has a part of it.

00:30:32.000 The IC is going to have everything.

00:30:33.000 So then if that's the case, then you could logically say, well, maybe Bongino and Cash Patel are telling the truth about what they've seen because they haven't seen anything that would be considered classic.

00:30:46.000 Don't get it twisted.

00:30:46.000 It's possible.

00:30:48.000 We still need to keep the FBI's feet to the fire.

00:30:49.000 Sure.

00:30:50.000 But there's other agencies as well.

00:30:51.000 And that's why we're not getting the full picture.

00:30:53.000 And I think that if the American public puts pressure on the entire IC, on Tulsi Gabbard, on the FBI, on Pam Bondi, then we'll finally be able to get the full picture.

00:31:02.000 So why do you think that Pam Bondi and the FBI, that whole recent memo, why do you think they said in that memo that there was nothing else that could come out, that everything that was left was just like, you know, like child abuse videos?

00:31:16.000 Because technically they can say, well, from the criminal perspective, this is all we have.

00:31:22.000 And they technically wouldn't be lying.

00:31:23.000 Right?

00:31:24.000 Because they look at it like...

00:31:25.000 Just because they didn't have more...

00:31:27.000 Just because they didn't have any more information.

00:31:35.000 That's how they look at it, right?

00:31:36.000 Hey, it's high side stuff.

00:31:37.000 It's classified.

00:31:39.000 Like, you guys are never going to get that anyway.

00:31:41.000 So we're only going to talk about what we can talk about.

00:31:43.000 Do you think they were telling the truth?

00:31:44.000 Or you think they were telling the truth from a limited sort of dodgy perspective?

00:31:48.000 It could be from a limited- They were giving a legal opinion.

00:31:52.000 Yeah, so like, let me give you an example, right?

00:31:53.000 Just so you guys understand, like, what I mean by this, right?

00:31:55.000 So let's say I'm doing a case, right?

00:31:57.000 A criminal case, and I have a component of my case that involves classified information.

00:32:02.000 You will have, like, if you really want to do this properly, you will have what's called a taint agent.

00:32:06.000 That taint agent will deal with all the classified stuff.

00:32:08.000 And your job as the criminal case agent is to parallel reconstruct the stuff on the high side so you can present it in court.

00:32:15.000 And the reason why is that if you get questioned on the stand, hey, agent, X, Y, Z ask you about something here, where if you know that information, right, and it, but it's classified and you don't talk about it, well, that can jam you up on the stand.

00:32:27.000 So they would purposely have that Tate agent there to deal with the high side stuff so you can deal with the criminal stuff.

00:32:32.000 Now, why am I telling you this?

00:32:33.000 I'm saying this because there's like things put in place like this to protect agents from like lying technically on the stand or being looked at as like being deceptive, whatever.

00:32:44.000 So what I'm saying is like they're technically might not be lying because they're saying like, Well, look, like from the criminal side, this is what it is.

00:32:50.000 And they might not be read in on all the other stuff that was going on because I guarantee this is probably going to be at the SCI level, secret compartmentalized level, which means like you need to be read in.

00:32:58.000 You need to have a specific need to know on this portion.

00:33:00.000 So, they might only know the criminal side.

00:33:02.000 I guarantee the case agent on the Epstein case, he probably just handles the criminal side.

00:33:06.000 Then there's probably going to be a taint agent.

00:33:08.000 So it's all kinds of stuff.

00:33:09.000 But again, given the nature of who he was and who he was working for, there's going to be 100% a CIA involvement for sure, too.

00:33:16.000 Interesting.

00:33:17.000 And the government does this on purpose, by the way.

00:33:19.000 It's purposely nebulous like this and bureaucratic and divided so that people don't know where to go.

00:33:25.000 So like the only and the only way you're going to know is if you work in the Intel community, you work in law enforcement, et cetera.

00:33:29.000 That's why I know like, okay, she's going to know this.

00:33:32.000 He's going to know there. 1.00

00:33:32.000 We need to bring all you motherfuckers in. 1.00

00:33:34.000 Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail. 0.99

00:33:37.000 Comedian podcaster says he's breaking free from the Trump cult after massive betrayal.

00:33:42.000 I don't think Andrew Schultz was ever in a Trump cult or anything like that.

00:33:47.000 But I do find the story interesting as he's more of a normie guy.

00:33:50.000 He backed Trump, I believe, to a certain degree, which was huge for Trump.

00:33:55.000 And I think with many, like with the comedians, normies coming out critical of Donald Trump over the Epstein case, this is the first time I think we've truly seen something massively bad.

00:34:06.000 We're in, you know, and going into month six of Trump's second term, and this is radioactive.

00:34:14.000 They say podcaster and comedian Andrew Schultz unleashed a viral rant against Trump for failing to release the list of financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

00:34:22.000 Schultz and his co-host, Akash Singh, kicked off the flagrant podcast on Tuesday discussing the big scandal of the week, the admins' handling of the Epstein files. 0.96

00:34:30.000 They compared their own experiences dealing with critics calling them idiots and bad Americans online and Trump's mega haters coming for him about his failed Epstein promises.

00:34:38.000 Earlier in the week, Schultz and his crew wore tinfoil hats on their show as they criticized the president's failure to keep his promises to release the Epstein list, get out of foreign wars, and cut spending. 0.98

00:34:48.000 Quote, I voted for none of this.

00:34:50.000 He's doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for.

00:34:53.000 I want him to stop wars.

00:34:54.000 He's funding them.

00:34:54.000 I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget.

00:34:57.000 He's increasing it, Schultz said.

00:34:59.000 The comedian had hosted Trump on his podcast, This We Get.

00:35:02.000 He then went on to say, I wanted something different.

00:35:05.000 I was hoping for some sort of change.

00:35:07.000 But he said, but he then defied anyone who tried to recruit them into their political camp.

00:35:11.000 I just want to let you all know, let you all right now, I'm in neither one of your effing cults.

00:35:16.000 If you want me to be in your cults, you can go F all.

00:35:19.000 I'm not a Dem cult.

00:35:20.000 I'm not a Republican cult.

00:35:21.000 I'm a free American.

00:35:22.000 I'll make my own effing decisions, and I'll say whatever the F I want about whatever president is in power, Schultz said.

00:35:28.000 They want to mention more.

00:35:29.000 He says, you want to take no accountability for the fact you ran a dead guy and a woman who couldn't speak, Schultz said, referring to Democrats.

00:35:35.000 And I respect it.

00:35:37.000 And we got this from post-millennial.

00:35:39.000 Only 21% of likely voters believe DOJ report on Epstein.

00:35:44.000 I'm hearing it.

00:35:46.000 I mean, what is anyone supposed to say?

00:35:47.000 Like, all of a sudden, now it's trust the government because Trump's there and we're going to let the Epstein thing take a pass?

00:35:52.000 Well, that's the interesting thing, too, right?

00:35:53.000 It's like MAGA for all of this time since, you know, since the golden escalator has been the part of the Republican Party or even not part of the Republican Party just on its own saying, we don't trust the government.

00:36:05.000 We don't believe anything that you say.

00:36:07.000 We think that you're out to get us and we hate you.

00:36:09.000 And so now Trump is in office.

00:36:11.000 It's his second term.

00:36:13.000 And we've already seen a shift in his perspective, right?

00:36:16.000 Like last week, he was very dismissive of the whole Epstein thing.

00:36:19.000 He wanted Pam Bondi to say at the cabinet meeting that they had, you know, like, yeah, it's nothing.

00:36:25.000 We have nothing there.

00:36:26.000 Forget it.

00:36:27.000 And then today he's saying she should release everything.

00:36:29.000 So I think Laura Trump was right when she was talking to Betty Johnson yesterday and she said that he's hearing the noise on this.

00:36:36.000 But yeah, I mean, this is a base that is not going to trust you just because they voted for you.

00:36:42.000 You know, that's not enough.

00:36:44.000 But I also don't take seriously, I was kind of on, I could see where he was coming from until he said, and he didn't cut spending, which to me is a constituency that doesn't exist in America.

00:36:57.000 If you look at the numbers, like we've made, like if you look at the June numbers, I forget exactly what they were, but with the increase in tariffs and all this other stuff, we made a ton more money and there were cuts.

00:37:09.000 I understand kind of the reservations around foreign policy actions, especially as it relates to Ukraine recently.

00:37:16.000 But to me, this is just an America Party announcement.

00:37:20.000 It's someone who's gotten a little bit frightened that we're in the fray.

00:37:25.000 You took a stand with President Trump and MAGA, and now it's getting dicey and he's cutting and running.

00:37:31.000 It's easy to do, and I'm sympathetic with it.

00:37:34.000 But as soon as you tell me that you're so mad because he's cutting spending and you want to be in the middle and you're not extreme, you're just proving to me that you're not interested in being a part of a political coalition.

00:37:49.000 The other thing, too, is Andrew Schultz is low IQ.

00:37:51.000 The list has been out forever.

00:37:53.000 Literally, I've talked about it with Ryan Dawson, Whitney Web has exposed it.

00:37:56.000 A million people will know who are on the list, but it's not the complete everything and it's not the confirmation from the DOJ, which Trump promised.

00:38:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:03.000 No, I get it, but he's like harping on the list has been out.

00:38:06.000 But again, he's just saying, but Schultz says whatever he needs to say to sound cool and sound like he's in it.

00:38:10.000 Like he's been doing this for a very long time. 1.00

00:38:12.000 He talks out his ass. 1.00

00:38:13.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about. 1.00

00:38:14.000 But these are normies, bro.

00:38:16.000 He is a normie when it comes to.

00:38:17.000 And exactly.

00:38:18.000 And why do you think he's saying what he's saying?

00:38:20.000 Because that's what's cool now.

00:38:21.000 He always says what's cool.

00:38:22.000 It's going to get an audience?

00:38:22.000 It's going to play.

00:38:23.000 Yeah.

00:38:24.000 That means Democrats are winning on the optics.

00:38:24.000 Okay.

00:38:26.000 They are.

00:38:27.000 Well, yeah.

00:38:27.000 On this, I've said it.

00:38:28.000 CNN's been running with this for a while, saying like they literally, a tapper did like a whole series on CNN where he played all the clips of Bongino, Cash Patel, Pam Bondi, Trump, like all of it when they were talking about DevC Files.

00:38:28.000 Yeah.

00:38:43.000 Like they have like a whole collage.

00:38:44.000 They're loving it.

00:38:44.000 And all the big left-wing commentators are loving it too.

00:38:47.000 So yeah, it looks bad politically for sure.

00:38:49.000 But to say, oh, at least the list is out, dude.

00:38:52.000 Like I said before, what the American public is really interested in is what I phrased before, which is we would need the Intel community to step up and give it to us.

00:38:59.000 Democrats have went four years without making a peep about the Epstein client list.

00:39:04.000 They didn't say anything when they had control of the government.

00:39:08.000 This is all political opportunism for opportunism.

00:39:11.000 That's all that it is.

00:39:12.000 No one should take anything they say seriously, but it is bad optics.

00:39:16.000 And the people that your average normies, people that don't watch a lot of political donations.

00:39:23.000 Every left-wing commentator, if you look at their YouTube channel right now, it's all VAGA's melting.

00:39:28.000 FC and List is making them go crazy.

00:39:30.000 They're beating us up on it big time.

00:39:32.000 Why is the Trump administration doing it?

00:39:34.000 I'm sorry.

00:39:35.000 It's on purpose.

00:39:36.000 Well, so no question.

00:39:37.000 Look, real quick, there's two plays, and I've already said it a million times.

00:39:42.000 They do nothing.

00:39:43.000 They literally just had to do nothing.

00:39:45.000 They made this story.

00:39:46.000 Pam Bondi went on TV.

00:39:47.000 She made this story.

00:39:48.000 They could have done nothing.

00:39:49.000 The other issue is lie, lie better. 0.88

00:39:51.000 So they are making their bed doing a piss-poor job of managers.

00:39:54.000 And I don't mean literally they should come out and lie. 0.99

00:39:56.000 I'm saying either put up or shut up.

00:39:59.000 And they've flubbed this in every possible direction.

00:40:03.000 And if it really is a Democrat hoax like Trump is saying, then it is his poor choices of, once again, of people in his administration who are not doing this job.

00:40:12.000 You know what, Tim? 0.98

00:40:13.000 I think they, because just from the beginning, right, from them rolling out the stupid ass binders and bringing these people in to give the flight logs and stuff like that, like that tells me they didn't take this seriously from the beginning. 0.99

00:40:23.000 And then when they said, oh, just forget about it. 0.98

00:40:25.000 Like, I don't think they understood how much the base wants to know about this.

00:40:28.000 And when you got people like, you know, Benny Johnson, who are huge, you know, Trump supporters coming out saying like, hey, we need the files, that should tell you something.

00:40:35.000 So I think it's bad.

00:40:38.000 Your point is correct, especially on Benny.

00:40:40.000 Andrew Schultz, I think, is the point.

00:40:42.000 He's not a political guy.

00:40:44.000 I respect what you're saying.

00:40:44.000 I don't expect.

00:40:46.000 The fact that he's coming out and saying it is a problem.

00:40:50.000 This is about perception and self-preservation.

00:40:53.000 And I'm not saying that about to disparage Schultz as though he's panicked and like, no, I'm saying these personalities who are not in politics, they want to be on the right side of history.

00:41:05.000 And if right now the optics are half of MAGA is saying Trump is flubbing this and all of Democrats have latched on as an attack vector, Schultz is going to be like, I'm with the bigger group.

00:41:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:16.000 That's what he did.

00:41:17.000 But this is what I think they're missing.

00:41:19.000 You know, call me Pollyannish or someone who's given too much credit to the administration.

00:41:24.000 But here's my case.

00:41:26.000 I think they're trying to get through the ugly fights that have to happen before the midterms, before another presidential election.

00:41:36.000 You know, the theory of the case, take it or leave it, is that you have to try and bring the Middle East and Europe to a close so that you can eventually draw down and focus on China.

00:41:46.000 You need to get the Big Beautiful bill passed so you get $150 billion for immigration, border control, and interior enforcement.

00:41:56.000 And you move through the political capital it takes soon and fast while you still have it before you have to fight the midterms.

00:42:03.000 You get over the frustration and the incompetence perhaps of the Epstein revelation because you know maybe there's nothing you can release given the relationship with the IC and what's behind closed.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, this is an IC problem, not an FBI problem.

00:42:21.000 Well, right.

00:42:22.000 And so we're getting hard stuff out of the way so that by the time Americans are voting next November, they've seen the fruits of the labor.

00:42:30.000 They're seeing that you can drive end-to-end in LA in less than an hour, right, because of immigration enforcement.

00:42:36.000 They're seeing revenue from tariffs hit.

00:42:39.000 They're seeing jobs for Americans and not foreign-born workers that I think people will care about. 0.99

00:42:46.000 It's ugly to make a lot of money. 0.94

00:42:48.000 In the grand scheme of things, when it comes to getting shit done, this Epstein thing is a drop in the bucket compared to getting the other stuff through that needs to be done. 0.93

00:42:55.000 And then you can always revisit this later. 0.93

00:42:57.000 But I also see Tim's perspective where you're right.

00:42:59.000 Schultz talks to a very normy audience where if he says something like, release the client list, well, most Americans don't even know that the client list has been out forever, unless you're in this field.

00:43:08.000 It really is simple.

00:43:09.000 Optically, it looks bad.

00:43:10.000 don't think the average person is going to know a lot about this.

00:43:15.000 I'd be willing to bet if you look at Andrew Schultz's comments, it's everybody saying like Trump-Epstein cover-up.

00:43:21.000 And if you check out like, if you follow Asmund Gold, for instance, the comments are relatively similar.

00:43:26.000 These are mostly normies.

00:43:28.000 They talk about surface-level issues that affect them, but not the political machinations behind them.

00:43:32.000 So if an individual is like, why am I locked in my house?

00:43:35.000 They're going to complain.

00:43:36.000 It's BS that they're doing this.

00:43:37.000 But they're not going to go to a higher level and say, here's the long-term strategy for making America better or whatever.

00:43:43.000 So Schultz, his statement is basically a reflection of he's saying, this is the side that I'm on and it ain't Trump.

00:43:50.000 It gives the temperament of the general normie public, which you're right.

00:43:53.000 And we talked about this, like, you know, people are not going to really know the details of this Epstein thing unless you're either in the mega base, you're interested in this type of stuff, and then, you know, you have to, but normies are just going to be like, oh, they didn't release it.

00:44:06.000 Look at that.

00:44:07.000 Not knowing that like the client list is already out.

00:44:09.000 What we're talking about is a bit more nuanced.

00:44:11.000 We're talking about Intel.

00:44:12.000 That's why I was so adamant about saying like, look, this is not just an FBI problem.

00:44:16.000 This is an entire government IC problem.

00:44:18.000 It's wild to me that I get where Charlie Kirk is coming from when he was like, I'm going to trust my friends in government.

00:44:26.000 But that's literally the argument that was made by the intelligence officials on MSNBC when this stuff comes around the first time.

00:44:35.000 It's listen, trust us.

00:44:36.000 We're the experts.

00:44:37.000 We're doing the right thing.

00:44:38.000 And it's like, nah, you guys tried to arrest Trump and refuse to give up power. 1.00

00:44:42.000 You're nuts. 0.99

00:44:43.000 So I think, look, Trump could release a fake Epstein list. 1.00

00:44:49.000 Like, my point is.

00:44:50.000 But that would open him up to libel charges.

00:44:53.000 I don't think it would.

00:44:54.000 I mean, like, technically, you're correct.

00:44:56.000 I'm just saying Trump in the seat of government, claiming there's no Epstein files, he could make a list of fake names.

00:45:01.000 He could do so many things that would get them out of this flub.

00:45:05.000 It's of their own making.

00:45:06.000 They're bad at what they do.

00:45:07.000 I'm not saying it's good and they should do that.

00:45:10.000 I'm saying if they really are trying to lie and cover this up, man, are they bad at this?

00:45:15.000 Yeah, but I also see, you know, you gave a good thing on this.

00:45:18.000 Like, you know, they're focused on the deportations, getting the Big Beautiful Bill through midterms, et cetera.

00:45:22.000 Like to them, from their position, right?

00:45:24.000 Because I'm putting my government hat back on. 0.98

00:45:26.000 Like, to them, they're like, okay, these are just some annoyed fucking influencers that are talking about Epstein, whatever, bro. 0.99

00:45:30.000 We got real shit we got to worry about. 0.99

00:45:32.000 We got to worry about, you know, Israel attacking Iran again, a potential war going on. 1.00

00:45:36.000 We're talking about the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:45:37.000 We're talking about these deportations that we're trying to do.

00:45:39.000 Like, to them, they're like, we can always revisit this later, right?

00:45:42.000 So I can see from that perspective, I don't, I think they grossly underestimated how important this was to the base in general.

00:45:49.000 It's definitely affecting him.

00:45:50.000 Yeah.

00:45:50.000 I mean, the Rasmussen dailies are really bad for his approval.

00:45:54.000 Pam Bandi gave a press conference today with the DEA, and they were just like, I was looking at it in the chat. 0.99

00:45:58.000 They were just like roasting her the whole time saying Pam Blondie and she's stupid, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:46:02.000 So they're feeling this now. 1.00

00:46:03.000 She did not need to bring this up on Fox.

00:46:06.000 They effed this up royally.

00:46:08.000 They did, dude.

00:46:08.000 And again, I think it's because they grossly underestimated how much the base cared about this.

00:46:12.000 Like with them rolling out the binder thing, when they did that, I was like, what the fuck are you guys doing? 0.98

00:46:16.000 I just messed up. 1.00

00:46:16.000 The binder rollout was stupid. 1.00

00:46:18.000 Base one. 1.00

00:46:18.000 They took advantage of those people. 1.00

00:46:19.000 They really did such a bad job because they took a whole bunch of people that had fought really hard during the campaign and made them look like clowns. 0.90

00:46:29.000 And that's just so rude.

00:46:31.000 It's like, why are you turning on the people that cared so much about getting you into office that they staked their reputations on it?

00:46:37.000 And now you're using their reputations to try and bolster yourself.

00:46:41.000 But really, you're just, you know, you're just handing out the funny thing.

00:46:45.000 Look, I made fun of them, you know, Dre knowing, all those guys that showed up there.

00:46:49.000 But, you know, you're correct.

00:46:50.000 Like, a lot of them did, like, you know, kind of fall on the sword for the Trump administration, get them elected in 2024.

00:46:55.000 They were pushing them hard.

00:46:57.000 So obviously they got the invite to the White House.

00:46:59.000 But yeah, that was a, that was a lot of why they were at the White House.

00:47:02.000 They were at the White House for some other reason.

00:47:04.000 Yeah.

00:47:05.000 And Pam Bondi like pulled them into a room to talk about this. 0.99

00:47:08.000 They were there totally separate.

00:47:09.000 I think they were there to like meet the vice president or something like that.

00:47:12.000 This kind of got pulled on a tangent.

00:47:14.000 This was like literally pulled on them.

00:47:17.000 They were like, oh, now we're going over here.

00:47:19.000 Okay, guys.

00:47:20.000 And then they told them, the DOJ basically told them it was embargoed.

00:47:24.000 And then when they stepped out of the White House and they all had these big binders and they didn't have backpacks to stuff them into, there were a bunch of reporters there waiting for like, yeah.

00:47:36.000 I forget who it was, but that's who they were waiting to take pictures of.

00:47:40.000 And all these influencers step out with binders.

00:47:44.000 And so then it's like, yeah, now we all have binders and we can't talk about it for a couple hours.

00:47:49.000 That makes it worse.

00:47:50.000 It was worse.

00:47:52.000 I got hit up.

00:47:54.000 I was talking to a couple of people.

00:47:56.000 Cernovich hit me up.

00:47:57.000 He had talked about this.

00:48:00.000 So I got hit up before anybody knew what was going on.

00:48:02.000 And they were like, check out this letter.

00:48:04.000 The story that actually mattered was that Bondi said that there were files being withheld from her by the FBI that she had requested as AG.

00:48:11.000 And then I had heard that there were also some files were given out.

00:48:15.000 And then somebody leaked it, breaking the embargo.

00:48:18.000 So they told all these people, as you were mentioning, don't say anything.

00:48:22.000 So like all these photos emerge and then everyone's wondering why they won't come out and expose the information.

00:48:28.000 When you think about what was in those binders, because that, because like the next day, we did an event in DC, a live IRL show.

00:48:34.000 Cernovich walks up and he hands me the binder and he goes, go ahead, take a look.

00:48:37.000 And then I open it up and he's like, oh, that's public.

00:48:40.000 He's like, there's some stuff that's not publicly available, but it's not relevant or incriminating or anything interesting.

00:48:44.000 You know, it's interesting, though, because I'm like, in my head, when they got the binders, right, right, when they're in the White House, they could have kind of saved face.

00:48:51.000 Like, they're like, well, if anyone was like, I've seen researcher, they could have been like, dude, this stuff's all out there.

00:48:55.000 Like, we're going to look like clowns if we walk out.

00:48:57.000 They ushered him right out. 0.74

00:48:58.000 They ushered him right out of the room.

00:48:59.000 They hand out the binders and usher everybody out.

00:49:01.000 Oh, so they didn't even get a chance to look at it?

00:49:02.000 They didn't get a chance to look at it.

00:49:03.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, that's bad, dude.

00:49:07.000 See, that's bad. 0.95

00:49:08.000 Now that I know like the full story there, that's really fucked up that they did that.

00:49:12.000 What is this campaign they're doing? 0.54

00:49:13.000 What is this campaign that they're doing?

00:49:15.000 And Bondi has been on TV talking about Epstein for months and months and months.

00:49:19.000 And now that she basically threw Trump in the fire or under the bus or pick your metaphor, where is she?

00:49:27.000 Like, you're not seeing her very much now at all.

00:49:30.000 And she was out there running her mouth all over the place about this. 1.00

00:49:33.000 Yeah, she did a lot of appearances on Foxman yapping.

00:49:36.000 It's just bad.

00:49:37.000 Because, dude, this is such a black eye for the right. 0.84

00:49:40.000 Like, we just got to take the L here and admit it. 0.92

00:49:42.000 Like, the lefties are going nuts.

00:49:44.000 They're loving it.

00:49:44.000 Like, yes, look at them.

00:49:45.000 They're imploding.

00:49:46.000 You know, you got, I was, because I was at the TPUSA event too.

00:49:49.000 Everybody was talking about the files.

00:49:51.000 It was so big.

00:49:51.000 The whole thing.

00:49:53.000 So at, was it SAS or whatever?

00:49:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:56.000 And the thing that makes it worse is like they keep showing the reels of like how Cash Battelle was saying, Chris Ray has the files, right?

00:50:02.000 Bogino's like, I'm not letting this go.

00:50:04.000 It's on my desk right now.

00:50:05.000 Like they're playing the compilation clips.

00:50:07.000 Trump, would you release the FC files?

00:50:08.000 Yeah, I would release it.

00:50:09.000 I would do it.

00:50:10.000 I was like, oh, God, dude, they're just beating them up right now.

00:50:12.000 Because, yo, this is the biggest W the Democrats have had for a very long time because they've been destroyed.

00:50:16.000 Oh, dude.

00:50:18.000 This is the biggest win they've had in probably, what, 10 years?

00:50:21.000 Yeah.

00:50:21.000 Wow.

00:50:22.000 Yeah.

00:50:22.000 Seriously.

00:50:23.000 It's been a while.

00:50:23.000 Certainly this administration.

00:50:25.000 I mean, you look at Hillary's defeat, Trump comes in, and then it's floundering the whole way through.

00:50:30.000 That the impeachment was, I wouldn't call that a win.

00:50:33.000 It's like the impeachment thing was confusing.

00:50:38.000 Then you get, technically, you can argue Biden was a big win from that actually got the seat of power.

00:50:43.000 But quickly after that, people were upset with Biden and they were struggling with leadership.

00:50:47.000 This is tremendous for them.

00:50:48.000 You have Normies now once again realigning with Democrats and their position.

00:50:54.000 And with Rokana's amendment saying, release this stuff and Republicans saying no, this is possibly the worst optics Republicans have faced in a decade.

00:51:03.000 But how long is it going to last?

00:51:05.000 I think that's the bet that Republicans are doing.

00:51:08.000 Trump's making it worse.

00:51:09.000 Trump is so...

00:51:16.000 Yeah, that's where I'm at.

00:51:18.000 But he's burning.

00:51:19.000 He's dealing with, you know?

00:51:21.000 I mean, if they wanted to wash this away, they could snap their fingers and wash it away.

00:51:26.000 How could they?

00:51:27.000 Every time they come out, they make it worse.

00:51:29.000 From the beginning, when Pam Bondi came out and said the files are on my desk, she was asking about the client list.

00:51:36.000 And then she goes, the files are on my desk.

00:51:38.000 All she had to do was do another interview and she was like, yeah, I've gone through them.

00:51:43.000 And unfortunately, the files that I do have are files that have already been released.

00:51:47.000 So I went through it.

00:51:48.000 There is a list of names.

00:51:49.000 There's a list of individuals.

00:51:51.000 They're already public.

00:51:53.000 So I'm going to put in a request to the FBI and see what information we're going to dig up.

00:51:57.000 And we'll pursue it to the best of our ability to do that. 0.62

00:51:58.000 I think they fucked up when they did the press conference with Cash and Magino and they said, number one, they said he offed himself. 0.94

00:52:06.000 Then they said, There's no video footage. 0.99

00:52:07.000 Oh, wait, no, there is video footage.

00:52:09.000 We're going to make it public.

00:52:10.000 I thought it was a good idea.

00:52:10.000 And then when they did the Fox interview, let me shut it all down.

00:52:13.000 There's nothing there.

00:52:16.000 Let me shut it down for the Trump administration once again.

00:52:18.000 Tell me about Epsy and what happened.

00:52:20.000 And Cash can go, we don't speak about ongoing investigations.

00:52:25.000 I was going to say, dude, they shouldn't even have to say that.

00:52:27.000 And the Frank's been saying this for months.

00:52:28.000 They shouldn't even have given a statement.

00:52:30.000 They should have said, here's all the stuff.

00:52:32.000 I'm reserving my comment.

00:52:33.000 Let the American public decide what they want to do and not say anything. 0.76

00:52:36.000 But where they fucked up was they said that there's nothing there, right? 0.76

00:52:39.000 He went on Joe Rogan and sold all these things. 0.89

00:52:41.000 Then they didn't release it.

00:52:42.000 That looks bad.

00:52:43.000 It would have been better to say, look, man, I'm just releasing it.

00:52:46.000 No opinion.

00:52:47.000 Here you go.

00:52:47.000 That would be way better.

00:52:49.000 That's why my...

00:52:54.000 The binder release, L. It makes it worse now that I know all the facts that she mentioned before.

00:52:58.000 The interviews on Fox saying like, yo, there's nothing there, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:01.000 Then, oh, forget about it, whatever.

00:53:03.000 This was just such a blunder on every single level.

00:53:06.000 Let me pull up this from Real Clear Politics, ladies and gentlemen.

00:53:08.000 We got Donald Trump's current aggregate approval rating.

00:53:12.000 And while historically, actually not that bad, he's currently in the aggregate spread at minus 4.7.

00:53:19.000 His approval is 45.5.

00:53:19.000 Not that bad.

00:53:21.000 His approval is 50.2.

00:53:23.000 So as we talk about issues of immigration or the Epstein story, it may actually be that it's actually not that bad.

00:53:31.000 In fact, I see a super chat here from our good buddy Raymond, G. Stanley Jr.

00:53:35.000 He says his sister was watching IRO with him last night, and she asked why Epstein was such a big deal.

00:53:39.000 Wasn't he already convicted?

00:53:40.000 So I think there's a lot of regular people that don't know.

00:53:44.000 But here's what I want to hammer around with his approval rating.

00:53:46.000 First, I'll say this.

00:53:48.000 Trump is underwater.

00:53:49.000 He has gone down.

00:53:50.000 Even Russ Mussen has him at minus four, which is really bad.

00:53:56.000 Russ Musson actually does fairly well for Trump.

00:53:59.000 But check this out.

00:54:00.000 On immigration, Donald Trump's approval rating is minus 2.8 in aggregate.

00:54:05.000 I don't care about the individual polls because we're all nuts, but you can look at the trend movement.

00:54:10.000 Donald Trump was previously in a really good place on immigration.

00:54:13.000 It was his best issue.

00:54:15.000 And he's gone down on this issue.

00:54:18.000 There's a couple ways you can look at it, but it may be when I can't figure out why Trump is flubbing the Epstein thing so much is that there's two bad circumstances for Trump.

00:54:28.000 The Epstein case has got angry megabase.

00:54:31.000 Immigration has got angry Democrats. 0.99

00:54:34.000 They're going nuts, but Trump can't lose on immigration.

00:54:38.000 His approval rating on immigration is 47.3.

00:54:40.000 It's above his actual aggregate general approval rating.

00:54:44.000 This may be...

00:54:48.000 I don't know why, but it looks like the Trump DOJ and all that are flubbing this intentionally.

00:54:52.000 How could you do so miserably?

00:54:54.000 I've brought it up before.

00:54:55.000 Democrats have long said whenever Trump is in trouble on what's key agenda item, one of his key agenda items, he will change the subject.

00:55:02.000 Could it be the reason he's tweeting about Epstein and Bond or truthing about Epstein and Bondi is because he knows that story will never go anywhere and it takes people away from the immigration story?

00:55:13.000 Let people be mad about Epstein and he's going to send in the troops to California.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, I mean, that could be a, because let me also say this from working in immigration before.

00:55:23.000 What Trump is doing when it comes to immigration, I got to give him credit, phenomenal.

00:55:28.000 We haven't had a president do this type of immigration enforcement in the interior in a very long time.

00:55:33.000 And I want to make this very clear because I know me and you were discussing this earlier.

00:55:36.000 People would say, oh, well, actually, Trump deported less people than Obama and Clinton and all these other people.

00:55:41.000 That's not relevant.

00:55:42.000 What matters is the reason why Trump's deportations are down is because he secures the border.

00:55:46.000 When the border is secure, that's a significant amount of deportations.

00:55:49.000 So interior immigration enforcement is where things really need to be. 0.97

00:55:52.000 This is where the Democrats always fail because the Democrats are pussies and are scared of enforcing Title VIII because it looks bad politically. 0.96

00:55:58.000 It's a political hot potato. 0.98

00:55:59.000 So the fact that Trump is doing this now and making it happen, well, he's dealing with this heat because we've gotten so pussified where we just allow illegal immigrants to come in, hang out, and then when they're here illegally, no, just let them stay.

00:56:10.000 And the fact that there's such a backlash to him enforcing immigration law in the interior tells you that we haven't enforced it in a very long time.

00:56:17.000 So what he's doing is unprecedented.

00:56:18.000 It's a good thing, but obviously he's going to get some heat for it because most presidents don't have the cojones to actually launch a real law enforcement operation in the interior.

00:56:26.000 Deporting people on the border doesn't matter.

00:56:28.000 Who cares?

00:56:29.000 Give them an ER, get them out of here.

00:56:30.000 We're talking about interior enforcement, very difficult to do.

00:56:32.000 The fact that he mobilized FBI and the DEA and ATF agencies that don't have Title Aid authorities to assist with this stuff is a feat in itself.

00:56:41.000 So kudos to him for that.

00:56:43.000 I mean, look, no matter what happens with the Epstein files, I still don't regret voting for Donald Trump just because of the border.

00:56:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:52.000 And I want to stress this too.

00:56:54.000 Let's start from the premise.

00:56:56.000 I want to make perfectly clear.

00:56:58.000 They should be releasing the Epstein files.

00:57:00.000 This campaign is BS.

00:57:01.000 I don't believe it for two seconds.

00:57:03.000 That being said, is the only reason we're mad is because Trump said he would, but he didn't.

00:57:09.000 Democrats promised they never would.

00:57:11.000 They didn't bring it up.

00:57:12.000 They were engaged in untoward activities and illicit activities.

00:57:15.000 And then Democrat members of Congress and their voters never asked them to do anything about it.

00:57:20.000 And Trump says, I will, but then doesn't.

00:57:23.000 So it's kind of like a circumstantial, it is only because Trump promised to do it and he didn't that we're actually mad.

00:57:30.000 Well, and I think it's a way for people to realize that they're not crazy.

00:57:34.000 We've seen, like has been discussed, 25 years of chaos, wars in which we shouldn't have fought a financial crisis that doesn't get talked about enough, defining the millennial generation, and COVID, like to top it all off, lies after lies after lies.

00:57:51.000 And I think we wanted some reason, right?

00:57:54.000 It was some credence for why this has been going on, why our leaders seem so unaccountable.

00:58:01.000 But I mean, Phil, to your point, I think this is immigration is the game. 1.00

00:58:06.000 It's the game for our nation.

00:58:09.000 I think it's the game politically for President Trump.

00:58:12.000 And, you know, perhaps you're right.

00:58:14.000 One of the most important things that people voted for, like, was, was the immigration.

00:58:18.000 I mean, for me, you know, it was on my top three for sure.

00:58:20.000 And I'm sure for many others, it was in the top one or two.

00:58:23.000 So I think the reason why people are so pissed is because this administration was like, this is going to be the administration of transparency.

00:58:30.000 He campaigned on going against the deep state, right?

00:58:33.000 Obviously, he had to endure the lawfare.

00:58:35.000 So, when he came in and campaigned on that, like we're going to, you know, drain the swamp, but we're going to have more transparency, et cetera.

00:58:40.000 Cash Patel said that.

00:58:42.000 We're going to make the FBI your FBI again.

00:58:44.000 So, this is why people are so pissed off because they're like, what the hell?

00:58:46.000 You said that you were going to go on the, you know, with the transparency.

00:58:49.000 So, that's why people are pissed.

00:58:50.000 But yeah, I mean, they're holding Trump to a higher standard than your average politician because of that, right?

00:58:55.000 Yeah.

00:58:55.000 I mean, so unfortunately, like things like this, which is, you know, good from an immigration standpoint, I can tell you guys, the guy that used to enforce satellite, what he's doing is great when it comes to this, because this has been a problem for a very long time.

00:59:07.000 Dude, I remember vividly when I was on a job under the Obama administration, like ERO, I'd go into their office, right?

00:59:14.000 Maybe I had like a guy with me that I wanted to process or whatever.

00:59:18.000 I want to turn into an informant.

00:59:19.000 And I'd use their facilities because they have a way better processing station than we did. 0.94

00:59:23.000 They'd be sitting around just hanging out on their phones, like chilling and shit, not doing anything because under Obama, it was very frowned upon to go out and do interior enforcement.

00:59:32.000 Even if you had warrants of deportation, et cetera, they didn't want to go out and arrest people because number one, the locals weren't going to help them. 0.99

00:59:38.000 Number two, it was going to be a pain in the ass. 0.98

00:59:39.000 And then number three, they might deal with some backlash from the higher management because of Obama being in office. 0.98

00:59:45.000 So immigration is a very sensitive topic, especially when it comes to interior enforcement, where depending on who's in office, it dictates how hard you can go on your job.

00:59:53.000 So what we're seeing now is a refreshing change for sure when it comes to interior immigration enforcement.

01:00:00.000 So when you say a refreshing change, so you're thinking that the previous administrations had a border policy that was acceptable?

01:00:09.000 No, no, no, no.

01:00:09.000 No, they didn't.

01:00:10.000 I'm saying it's refreshing because not only when I say refreshing, I mean as in doing interior enforcement.

01:00:15.000 Like doing like enforcing on the border was like, okay, we catch them on the border.

01:00:19.000 It is what it is, right?

01:00:19.000 Because border patrol is there.

01:00:21.000 You have way more authority.

01:00:22.000 You have way more immigration officials that are there.

01:00:23.000 But once they make it past that 30, you know, what's called the functional equivalent of the border, that 30 mile radius, they're safe, dude.

01:00:30.000 They make it in.

01:00:31.000 They're good.

01:00:31.000 Like you're, they're probably not going to get touched by ERO at that point because it's ICE ERO that's responsible for them once they get into the country.

01:00:38.000 And if they're having their hands tied by the administration in office, they're not going to go after them.

01:00:42.000 What was the last administration that actually did things like ICE raids?

01:00:46.000 It's Trump's first administration.

01:00:48.000 There were more.

01:00:49.000 Before Donald Trump.

01:00:50.000 Oh, dude.

01:00:52.000 Ever?

01:00:53.000 Did it ever happen?

01:00:54.000 I don't recall ICE raids by George Bush.

01:00:57.000 Yeah, it was always frowned upon.

01:00:58.000 And then before that was INS.

01:01:00.000 So prior to George Bush, it was INS and it was under the DOJ.

01:01:03.000 So it was always fairly frowned upon.

01:01:05.000 Like I remember, here's another.

01:01:07.000 So work sign enforcement, right?

01:01:08.000 So you had to get like headquarters approval to do a work sign enforcement raid under the Obama administration.

01:01:15.000 It was a big deal.

01:01:16.000 Really?

01:01:16.000 Yeah, dude.

01:01:17.000 But there was a situation, too, where you have to fill out I-9 forms, right?

01:01:21.000 To get a job in the U.S., you have to fill out an I-9 form that shows that you're a citizen.

01:01:26.000 But the deal with the I-9 forms is they never go back to government.

01:01:28.000 They just sit in your file.

01:01:29.000 And then if government comes knocking, you have your forms ready.

01:01:32.000 Why aren't those filed with the federal government, filed with DHS?

01:01:41.000 Great answer.

01:01:42.000 They're aware of it.

01:01:43.000 That's really...

01:01:46.000 It's contingent upon the administration.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, but they've never done it.

01:01:50.000 You never file.

01:01:51.000 So they ramped them up.

01:01:52.000 So like under the Obama administration, they did them kind of.

01:01:54.000 And then once Trump came in, we ramped them up.

01:01:56.000 But depending on who's in office, that dictates how hard you go with immigration.

01:01:59.000 The Obama.

01:02:00.000 It's a very political hot potato.

01:02:01.000 The Obama administration needs to be studied because they were so effective.

01:02:05.000 Even my first deployment was on the transition from Obama to the first Trump administration.

01:02:11.000 And it was night and day between the approvals you had to seek overseas.

01:02:15.000 Right.

01:02:16.000 Think whatever you want about what we were doing.

01:02:18.000 But the Obama administration had a squeeze on everything that happened down to the tactical level, whether in the military or DHS.

01:02:27.000 And it's something that I wish we had more people on the inside then because it's a lesson in how to use power.

01:02:35.000 That's where.

01:02:36.000 Let me ask you this because I've been wanting to really ask someone from the military on this that was actually doing stuff.

01:02:41.000 Was it more restrictive under Obama or less?

01:02:44.000 A lot more restrictive.

01:02:46.000 If you wanted to conduct a kinetic activity of any kind in Iraq, at least, or, you know, or Syria at the time, you basically had to get a White House approval.

01:02:56.000 Wow.

01:02:57.000 That's why he loved drones so much, right?

01:02:58.000 Well, that's insane.

01:02:59.000 But it's insane.

01:02:59.000 Right.

01:03:00.000 It's insane to.

01:03:02.000 And so there was, I mean, literally a night and day difference between when Obama was in office and then when Trump came into town.

01:03:10.000 It's why he does deserve credit for how things went against ISIS in Northeast Syria because you wouldn't have had the rules of engagement, latitude, and the flexibility for the commanders on the ground to take ISIS fighters out.

01:03:26.000 Because previously, Obama almost himself wanted a signature on almost every one.

01:03:32.000 Which to me, again, it's the lesson is presidents, if they want it, can use their power and it can be effective.

01:03:39.000 It's just a question of having the will.

01:03:41.000 That's one of the things that I think Donald Trump has shown very clearly.

01:03:45.000 The expectations of a conservative president are going to be different going down the line for the future, at least for the foreseeable future, just because of President Trump.

01:03:56.000 Before Trump, it was, oh, you know, you can't do this and et cetera.

01:03:59.000 And there was always excuses.

01:04:00.000 You know, Congress has to blah, blah, blah, et cetera.

01:04:02.000 It's interesting.

01:04:03.000 Donald Trump just came in and he's like, nope, executive order, executive order, executive order, and this is how it's going to be.

01:04:07.000 And the American people are like, oh, wow, you really can just do that if you're the president.

01:04:12.000 It's interesting how from law enforcement and military, you know, with a Democrat president, far more restrictive, need more approvals.

01:04:19.000 With a Republican president, you're just allowed to do your job with far more leeway.

01:04:24.000 Yeah.

01:04:25.000 Trump did that the first time.

01:04:26.000 All of his executive orders after Obama on the border, he had a ton of those.

01:04:30.000 And then Biden on his first day in office literally reversed every single one, opening the border and creating multiple semi-legal ways of illegal immigrants coming into the country and sticking around.

01:04:41.000 And then when Trump took office, he reversed them again.

01:04:44.000 I really hope that we don't end up with a situation where the White House is just continuously ruling by fiat and every four years, everything drastically, drastically changes like that.

01:04:55.000 I think it's a little muddy.

01:04:56.000 With immigration, unfortunately, it always flips because Democrats are always, you know, far, you know, easier. 0.61

01:05:03.000 They pump the brakes on immigration every single time. 0.97

01:05:06.000 Because that's their base is blacks, immigrants. 1.00

01:05:06.000 Yes. 1.00

01:05:10.000 Well, and now they're trying to do their white women. 1.00

01:05:12.000 Hakeem Jeffries already came out.

01:05:14.000 Was it yesterday?

01:05:15.000 Hakeem Jeffries was like, you know, we're going to use every tool at our disposal, including redistricting.

01:05:20.000 And then you had Jasmine Crockett on queue in, I think she was wherever she was today, talking about how Texas districting is racist, and so they need to do redistricting. 0.93

01:05:32.000 So she's going to pull like, it's racist, get the redistricting, which was already Hakeem Jeffries' plan to try and win back the House in 2026. 1.00

01:05:40.000 So it's just all race politics for the left.

01:05:42.000 And it's all fakery.

01:05:43.000 Let's jump to this story from the post millennials speaking of fakery.

01:05:45.000 CEO of Marketing Group says he was offered a $20 million contract to organize anti-Trump protests.

01:05:52.000 The CEO of Crowds on Demand has said that he rejected an offer of $20 million to organize the good trouble lives on protest taking place on July 17th.

01:06:01.000 The CEO of Crowds on Demand, Adam Stewart, told reporters at NewsNation, we rejected an offer that's probably worth around $20 million.

01:06:08.000 The value of the contract would have been worth around that much nationwide to organize huge demonstrations around the country.

01:06:14.000 But personally, I just don't think it's effective.

01:06:17.000 When NewsNation addressed who had offered him the money, he did not say who it was that had approached him about organizing the protest and that he had concerns about violence, thought it would be ineffective, and did not want to be involved.

01:06:27.000 Influence Watch has referred to Crowd on Demand as a marketing firm for protests.

01:06:31.000 The group says on its website that they are the home for impactful advocacy campaigns and demonstrations, PR stunts, crowds for hire, and corporate events.

01:06:39.000 And I'm going to go ahead and just say it's like all fake.

01:06:43.000 Yep, I think it's all fake too.

01:06:45.000 And so anybody who's going out to see these, you know, Good Trouble protests on Thursday, just know that it's all fake.

01:06:52.000 And the one trouble, what are these supposed to be?

01:06:54.000 Good Trouble, it's, what's his name?

01:06:56.000 John Lewis?

01:06:57.000 John Lewis.

01:06:58.000 I think it's the anniversary of former rep John Lewis's death.

01:07:04.000 And he was involved in the civil rights movement really heavily.

01:07:08.000 And he always said that the best thing to do is get into good trouble.

01:07:11.000 Like you can get good trouble.

01:07:13.000 Like if you're protesting and fighting the power, that's good trouble.

01:07:17.000 And if you're lobbying Molotov cocktails to take down the Trump administration, he probably would have said that's good power too.

01:07:23.000 There's a book called Good Trouble Lessons from the Civil Rights Playbook, and it's by Christopher Nixon.

01:07:28.000 And it's basically about using, you know.

01:07:33.000 Right, but isn't it about the rep?

01:07:34.000 Because I think this is the anniversary of his desk.

01:07:36.000 Well, this particular, so I'm talking about the book.

01:07:39.000 What you're talking about might be something.

01:07:40.000 But that's what he said.

01:07:42.000 They took good trouble from Lewis.

01:07:44.000 Yes.

01:07:46.000 But it is about political activism.

01:07:48.000 Yeah, he would have been.

01:07:49.000 And essentially, good trouble is just trouble that, you know, breaking the law in ways that Democrats approve.

01:07:55.000 I'm trying to decide if this means that we're winning or losing.

01:07:59.000 You know, like if you have to pay $20 million for someone not to throw your protest for you.

01:08:05.000 But at the same time, then it shows that they've got people who care so much that they're going to spend $20 million for people to inside a riot.

01:08:14.000 Honestly, if there's people that are spending that much money on these kind of protests and there's any kind of violence that erupts at them, the people that actually are spending money on these should be arrested.

01:08:25.000 If they're inciting, they're technically inciting violence.

01:08:28.000 You know, they're spending money saying, look here, go to this place and make a bunch of trouble and we're spending money on it.

01:08:34.000 There's got to be something.

01:08:36.000 I've said it across the state again.

01:08:37.000 People get mad when I say this.

01:08:38.000 I think the left is far more violent than the right by far.

01:08:40.000 They're clearly far more violent.

01:08:42.000 People will be, that's a whole take.

01:08:42.000 Way more.

01:08:43.000 Dude, the BLM riots where they burned down Minneapolis with zero consequence. 0.99

01:08:47.000 The defund police movements all across the country, burning down Portland, burning down Seattle.

01:08:51.000 Like anytime.

01:08:52.000 Hell, what's going on right now with the immigration stuff?

01:08:54.000 They're destroying the cities right there.

01:08:56.000 They got to bring the National Guard in.

01:08:57.000 All the attacks.

01:08:58.000 When the conservatives do anything violent, like January 6th, right?

01:09:01.000 They say, oh, that's insurrection.

01:09:02.000 They all went to jail.

01:09:03.000 FBI had the biggest investigation ever. 0.99

01:09:05.000 But when these BLM guys go crazy or Antifa goes wild, nobody gives a shit. 0.99

01:09:09.000 They just allow it to happen. 0.98

01:09:10.000 Not only do they allow it, the people in Democrats are doing things to support people that were arrested, try to get them bail money and such.

01:09:19.000 We just started going hard on these people once Pam Bonnie got in when they were firebombing the Teslas.

01:09:24.000 We just started finally putting these people.

01:09:26.000 But the reason why they felt confident firebombing Teslas and destroying Teslas and doing all the things they did is because they got away with it for so long for the past four years.

01:09:33.000 I think Trump was sitting in the Oval Office and he was like, why do so many people like me?

01:09:37.000 My approval rating should be way lower.

01:09:39.000 Tell them Epstein's fake.

01:09:41.000 Just like, approval rating drops by two points.

01:09:45.000 Only a little bit, to be fair.

01:09:46.000 You know, people, I think today they just put a bunch of them.

01:09:48.000 I were watching the news.

01:09:49.000 I think a bunch of them got indicted.

01:09:50.000 A bunch of these rioters.

01:09:52.000 But like people are shooting out of the cops and stuff like that.

01:09:54.000 This would be unheard of if conservatives were doing this.

01:09:56.000 They'd be on the frontline news.

01:09:57.000 They went after the January 6thers. 0.95

01:09:59.000 Some guys didn't even go in the building.

01:10:00.000 They got arrested.

01:10:01.000 So, dude, the left is way more violent, man. 0.98

01:10:03.000 And it wasn't until this administration came in that they're finally holding these dickheads accountable. 0.96

01:10:07.000 And they should be prosecuting him to the fullest extent of the law. 0.90

01:10:11.000 Absolutely.

01:10:12.000 They're finally getting hit with terrorism charges with the Tesla state.

01:10:14.000 Whatever happened to that dude that got falsely accused of shooting?

01:10:17.000 You saw that in, what was it, in Utah?

01:10:19.000 The No Kings protest.

01:10:21.000 So this Antifa guy is wearing all black.

01:10:23.000 He's got a rifle.

01:10:24.000 He's walking down the sidewalk legally and peacefully when two of the liberals from the volunteer group organizing the protest drew their weapons on him for no reason and started shooting at him.

01:10:34.000 5501.

01:10:36.000 Wasn't that one?

01:10:39.000 So yeah, so Antifa guy is walking.

01:10:41.000 So here's the main street.

01:10:43.000 Everybody's walking north.

01:10:44.000 So everybody's walking this way.

01:10:45.000 Antifa guy starts walking this way.

01:10:47.000 I don't know if that's the right thing.

01:10:47.000 Afraid of Walter Source.

01:10:48.000 With a rifle, hanging down.

01:10:50.000 He's not doing anything.

01:10:51.000 Open care, totally illegal.

01:10:52.000 And then there's two liberals on this side of the street.

01:10:54.000 They just drop pistols and start shooting.

01:10:56.000 And one guy opens fire.

01:10:57.000 And they shot and killed an innocent guy.

01:10:59.000 Then the cops came in and arrested the Antifa guy.

01:11:02.000 Right, but did they drop the charges?

01:11:02.000 They let him go.

01:11:04.000 I think they dropped the charges, yeah.

01:11:06.000 As they should.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:08.000 So they even shoot each other.

01:11:09.000 Well, I mean, liberals and antifun aren't the same group.

01:11:12.000 They only fight in the same.

01:11:13.000 Like, I don't want to get into that where as we look to the left, we see Antifun, liberals, and assume are on the same side.

01:11:19.000 But when you actually walk up to him, the Antifa guy's further behind them.

01:11:22.000 Okay.

01:11:23.000 The liberals are anti-gun.

01:11:25.000 Antifa's pro-gun.

01:11:26.000 Yeah.

01:11:27.000 So Antifa's pro-gun for themselves, but they'll at least advocate for it.

01:11:30.000 Yeah, because they believe in like violent resistance.

01:11:33.000 They'll take your guns from you at a moment's notice, but for the time being, they'll vote to protect your guns because they want them to.

01:11:33.000 Right.

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:39.000 Animal rights.

01:11:39.000 So.

01:11:40.000 Let's kill everybody. 1.00

01:11:41.000 You know, something like that. 1.00

01:11:42.000 I mean, it gets weird, man.

01:11:43.000 Yeah, they get crazy.

01:11:45.000 I mean, Ed, look, anything that we can do to wrap up the violent people that have been doing everything they can to destabilize the country, because that's the goal, is to destabilize the United States.

01:11:56.000 Where's our January 6th investigation, though?

01:11:58.000 You mean the May 29th riots where they firebombed the White House grounds and nobody did anything?

01:12:03.000 No, exactly.

01:12:04.000 I mean, from the Summer of Love, even from the immigration protests.

01:12:10.000 I think they should have like a zero tolerance policy.

01:12:11.000 That was me, man. 0.99

01:12:12.000 Bro, these guys riding on the street, like if you destroy one building, you riot violently one time, you're all going to fucking hell. 0.99

01:12:19.000 So Tucker had a great... 0.98

01:12:22.000 He had a great clip from his, I think it was a TPUSA speech, something recently, where he essentially asked, where is all the money that we spend on our military going?

01:12:32.000 And why don't we use it to make Americans' lives better?

01:12:35.000 I think this is a great way to do that.

01:12:38.000 You know, Tom Cotton proposed this during the first administration to send the 101st airborne into New York City or into Chicago, wherever it's needed.

01:12:47.000 What is it that they technically?

01:12:49.000 Massi Camatas.

01:12:50.000 But no, this doesn't matter.

01:12:52.000 As long as they're defending federal property and not enforcing domestic law, it's allowed.

01:12:56.000 If we wanted to send them in the government building, then that would have plenty of federal buildings around the country.

01:13:01.000 Of course.

01:13:03.000 I do think there's an interesting economic argument to where if we just took the military spending and then spent it on communities or people, it wouldn't help the economy.

01:13:11.000 But certainly building weapons, I suppose it helps the economy in the sense that it maintains the petrodollar by a global hegemonic force.

01:13:20.000 But what if you use the military to help revitalize legally or however, you know, downtowns and cities?

01:13:27.000 And they're going to scream authoritarianism.

01:13:28.000 Of course, characters are going to go crazy.

01:13:30.000 They're going to be like, oh, fascism.

01:13:32.000 They love that word.

01:13:33.000 Fascism.

01:13:34.000 I always say, I don't care.

01:13:36.000 I will trade showing people a window into the 90s or something or the 50s in exchange for the chaos or whatever electoral consequences.

01:13:49.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 To them, they're more scared of fascism than their country being destroyed.

01:13:54.000 Right.

01:13:55.000 They're like, oh, fascism.

01:13:56.000 And it's like, okay, let's just go ahead and let all of our major cities go under fire.

01:13:59.000 That's what they want.

01:14:00.000 They're so scared.

01:14:01.000 That's what they want. 0.98

01:14:02.000 So it's like, dude, it's ridiculous. 0.81

01:14:04.000 You think they want to see the destruction of our cities? 0.87

01:14:07.000 Yes.

01:14:07.000 I mean, I can tell you, at least from Occupy Wall Street, that's what they wanted.

01:14:10.000 From the ashes of the old, we shall build the new.

01:14:12.000 They want to burn down the system.

01:14:14.000 They think capitalism is evil.

01:14:16.000 They, I mean.

01:14:17.000 Hate cops hate law enforcement.

01:14:19.000 Right.

01:14:19.000 They just literally hate the existence of the American order.

01:14:24.000 And so they want to burn all the ground and then have a communist utopia where they will be on their farm teaching poetry.

01:14:30.000 Which, of course, they won't.

01:14:31.000 They'll be in a gulag.

01:14:32.000 Right.

01:14:33.000 And they don't get to have a farm.

01:14:34.000 That's right.

01:14:35.000 Yeah.

01:14:35.000 It's like I know landownership.

01:14:38.000 Because I watch a lot of liberal media just to kind of see what the other side is thinking.

01:14:42.000 I think being in your own echo chamber is bad.

01:14:43.000 And I kind of have like a, like I play a game.

01:14:45.000 It's like, okay, let's see how long it takes until they say the word fascism.

01:14:48.000 Bro, they never make it past a minute.

01:14:50.000 Seconds.

01:14:50.000 Dude, literally, authoritarianism or fascism, within second, they're screaming, or imperialism.

01:14:56.000 That's another one they love.

01:14:57.000 Yeah.

01:14:57.000 And then, you know, fascism is just, oh, police.

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 That's literally what it is.

01:15:02.000 The Gestapo.

01:15:03.000 These ICE agents are the Gestapo.

01:15:05.000 They're like kidnapping people.

01:15:06.000 No, that person has a file order removal. 0.93

01:15:08.000 They're an illegal alien. 0.99

01:15:09.000 They need to be removed. 0.98

01:15:11.000 The Gestapo, the secret police. 0.98

01:15:12.000 And it's like, bro, what the hell, man?

01:15:14.000 Controlling who is or isn't allowed into a country is about the most mundane thing that a country can do.

01:15:22.000 And they consider doing the bare minimum to actually be a country to be fascism.

01:15:28.000 Because a lot of them, I mean, a lot of them are, they believe that there should be open borders.

01:15:32.000 There shouldn't be any countries.

01:15:33.000 There were people that were making, that were, you know, protesting on the border for a while that were saying things like, no Trump, no wall, no USA at all.

01:15:42.000 They don't believe in countries because they're like, oh, well, we're all people and we should all just get along.

01:15:47.000 And not only that, they think like, oh, let's just like fast track all the people that are here illegally. 0.99

01:15:51.000 Let's just reward them for coming here illegally. 1.00

01:15:53.000 Like you said you were at the event.

01:15:55.000 There was a comedian, Rob Schneider, something like that.

01:15:57.000 Yeah, Rob Schneider.

01:15:58.000 He came in and said like, oh yeah, like we need to find a way to give like, because I think he's like a, I don't know what he is, maybe a centrist or a leftist.

01:16:05.000 I don't know.

01:16:05.000 But the point is he said something like along the lines of like, we should find a way to fast track a lot of these like Mexican farmers so they can continue picking strawberries because Americans are going to do it.

01:16:13.000 And I'm like, dude, like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:16:14.000 You're at TPUSA talking about, you know, more immigration. 1.00

01:16:17.000 Get the fuck up out of here. 0.94

01:16:18.000 He's like, well, and people started booing him. 0.99

01:16:19.000 He's like, well, Americans aren't going to do it. 0.71

01:16:21.000 That's a lie.

01:16:22.000 That's a lie.

01:16:22.000 That's a huge lie.

01:16:23.000 They'll do it for a price.

01:16:24.000 This whole concept of like, oh, Americans will do this job, so we need to give it to legal aliens. 0.99

01:16:28.000 That is a bold-faced lie.

01:16:30.000 Let's justify paying them less and bringing people here. 1.00

01:16:33.000 Let's believe.

01:16:34.000 Let's try that.

01:16:34.000 Let's try it.

01:16:35.000 Libby, would you pick strawberries in a field for $10 an hour? 1.00

01:16:38.000 If that was the only job I could get.

01:16:39.000 No, no, no, right now.

01:16:40.000 $10 an hour.

01:16:40.000 I'll give you $10 an hour.

01:16:41.000 Go pick strawberries.

01:16:42.000 No, I have a job.

01:16:43.000 What about $20 an hour?

01:16:43.000 Okay, well, hold on.

01:16:45.000 I have a job.

01:16:45.000 What about $50 an hour?

01:16:47.000 Maybe.

01:16:48.000 All right.

01:16:48.000 $100 an hour.

01:16:50.000 Probably.

01:16:50.000 At least.

01:16:52.000 That's the point.

01:16:53.000 When they say Americans won't do the jobs, what they're actually saying is they want to pay people wages below.

01:17:00.000 Way less than.

01:17:01.000 Right, exactly.

01:17:02.000 Slavery.

01:17:03.000 Actually, yeah, because this is why I'm so against the H-1B visa, because they'll say, oh, we're bringing the high school workers.

01:17:09.000 You're just using that as an excuse to take jobs from Americans.

01:17:09.000 No, you're not.

01:17:13.000 You're saying something interesting about Microsoft.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, well, I think Microsoft just announced layoffs for 6,000 people or something?

01:17:21.000 9,000 Americans.

01:17:22.000 Did you see the story?

01:17:23.000 Actually, I'm going to pull this one up.

01:17:24.000 They're going to hire 15K.

01:17:26.000 And they opened up an application for 15K.

01:17:28.000 I would pay more for strawberries if they were picked by Americans. 1.00

01:17:31.000 Let's jump to the story from WCCF Tech.

01:17:34.000 Candy Crush developers set to be laid off by Microsoft are reportedly being replaced by the AI tools they were told to build.

01:17:42.000 Yeah.

01:17:43.000 This is a problem all across the tech world, by the way.

01:17:47.000 This is happening all across the tech world.

01:17:49.000 Yo, the end is nigh.

01:17:51.000 This happened to my aunt and uncle.

01:17:52.000 They were in tech and they were training H-1B visa workers.

01:17:58.000 This was in the early 2000s.

01:17:59.000 And Then those workers replaced them.

01:18:02.000 But think about how cynical it is.

01:18:06.000 The other side wants to import endless labor to fill these jobs and strawberry pickers. 1.00

01:18:13.000 And I think it's the strawberry pickers and the entry-level engineers and lawyers who are going to get replaced by technology a lot sooner than we can.

01:18:22.000 Maybe not the strawberry pickers.

01:18:23.000 I mean, if we come.

01:18:26.000 Have you seen how they pick blueberries?

01:18:27.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 They've got these like...

01:18:31.000 No, hold on, hold on.

01:18:32.000 They've got this thing for blueberries where it's like a comb with a basket and you put in a plant and you shake it and lift it up.

01:18:37.000 Have you seen how they do apples?

01:18:39.000 They have this thing that wraps around the tree and then just shakes it and all the apples fall down.

01:18:43.000 They can automate the picking of strawberries.

01:18:46.000 Without mushing them?

01:18:47.000 Without mushing them.

01:18:48.000 Yeah, to be fair, strawberries go bad like a day after you get them anyway.

01:18:48.000 Okay.

01:18:51.000 No, that's why you have to eat a bunch of strawberries, which is actually awesome.

01:18:55.000 We get in like, we'll get so many strawberries.

01:18:58.000 And then just for two days, I eat a ton of strawberries and I'm very happy about it.

01:19:01.000 But it's, you know, I think, I think we are headed to, I think this story has me convinced socialism is going to win in some fashion.

01:19:11.000 Or fascism.

01:19:12.000 Why this story?

01:19:13.000 Why the AI story?

01:19:14.000 So we are in what's called the attention economy right now.

01:19:19.000 A large portion of our, we went from a manufacturing base to a service sector economy.

01:19:24.000 Now we're, then we were information base shortly.

01:19:26.000 Now it's attention based.

01:19:28.000 Those who can hold the attention of another person make the most money.

01:19:32.000 It's about awareness.

01:19:34.000 Candy Crush is a game, and they have employees who make the game.

01:19:38.000 And they said, program AI tools that can do what you do.

01:19:41.000 And now you're fired.

01:19:42.000 And now the robot takes over.

01:19:43.000 So AI is going to start replacing all of the attention economy and information economy jobs.

01:19:49.000 And it's going to result in a lot of higher, like higher, higher income, better educated, I don't know, educated, I put air quotes, without a means of accessing the markets.

01:20:00.000 And they are going to have a certain degree of influence.

01:20:03.000 If this trend continues, there will be a path of least resistance effort.

01:20:08.000 This is why I think socialism, because what they're going to do is they're going to argue, well, actually, I'll just put it this way.

01:20:13.000 These laid off Microsoft workers, how many of them are going to file for unemployment?

01:20:18.000 How many are going to file for benefits because they lost their job through no fault of their own?

01:20:21.000 And it's not so much about socialism winning per se and being a little bit facetious, a little hyperbolic.

01:20:26.000 It's that we're going to see a massive increase in strain on the welfare system.

01:20:31.000 It may collapse.

01:20:33.000 Maybe it goes fascistic.

01:20:35.000 The more you get people who can't work, it's going to be like the Luddite movements.

01:20:41.000 There's going to be violence against it.

01:20:44.000 And just like with the Industrial Revolution, you run the risk, like you saw with the Bolsheviks or the French Revolution.

01:20:53.000 Too many people can't get food.

01:20:55.000 Too many people can't own property.

01:20:56.000 And then they say, I don't care.

01:20:58.000 I have to take it.

01:20:58.000 I'm taking it.

01:20:59.000 This is why Andrew Yang was in favor of universal basic income.

01:21:02.000 Which is also a bad idea.

01:21:03.000 It is a bad idea.

01:21:04.000 I have a quick AI question just for the panel, if I may.

01:21:07.000 So you have all of these AI chatbots and stuff.

01:21:11.000 And media outlets probably employ chatbots to write articles.

01:21:17.000 And all of the information that the AI culls from is just what's on the internet and a lot of liberal media outlets and things like this.

01:21:28.000 And now you have a situation where Grok just got a contract with the DOD to do stuff.

01:21:34.000 Grok recently went on like a whole, you know, bunch of nasty tirades or whatever that was what he reported on.

01:21:41.000 Sort of amusing, but also, you know, a little disturbing when you consider that now they are.

01:21:45.000 Kind of disturbing when you realize that they're going to put these AIs into killbots and to self-driving cars who, look, if the argument is putting Grok in the car, but if the argument is this was a rogue accident where Grok started saying that it agreed with Hitler or whatever, what happens when your car running on Grok decides to agree with Hitler and just running people down?

01:22:07.000 And how can we encourage the makers of Grok and ChatGPT and all of the other ones to use conservative media and conservative stories to train their AI?

01:22:22.000 Well, he's trying to, but there aren't any.

01:22:24.000 There's a lot.

01:22:25.000 Yeah, I know, but I mean, human events goes back to like 1948 or something.

01:22:30.000 How many articles continuously published?

01:22:32.000 Let's try this, okay?

01:22:35.000 I'm going to ask our robot friend.

01:22:36.000 There's reasonable.

01:22:37.000 I don't think many articles.

01:22:38.000 I don't think you have to use force to force a lot.

01:22:42.000 How many articles does NYT write per day?

01:22:45.000 150 with 250 on Sunday and 65 daily blogs.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

01:22:51.000 I mean, post-millennial, we do probably about 20 to 25 a day.

01:22:55.000 And at human events, we do like, you know, six or seven.

01:22:58.000 So the issue is there are a bunch of these, like, let's do this.

01:23:01.000 How many articles does CNN write per day?

01:23:06.000 I bet they write more.

01:23:08.000 Maybe not.

01:23:09.000 Let's see what they do.

01:23:10.000 CNN, let's see.

01:23:12.000 Oh, my God.

01:23:13.000 In May, they produced 9,430 pieces of content.

01:23:13.000 Wait.

01:23:18.000 That is a lot of content.

01:23:20.000 300 pieces per day.

01:23:21.000 Some of that could be video content.

01:23:24.000 Right.

01:23:25.000 It is video.

01:23:27.000 It's articles that are largely graphic based, but you're still putting out that information, which will be absorbed.

01:23:34.000 And how does the anti-establishment independent media space compete with that?

01:23:39.000 If they're producing at 10%, then the training models are going to be at 10%.

01:23:43.000 That makes a lot of sense.

01:23:44.000 But at the same time, now we're feeding these tools.

01:23:46.000 We're using these tools in government.

01:23:48.000 We're using these tools to generate content and information.

01:23:52.000 And we're instilling in these tools a bias that would take a century to deconstruct if it were ever possible to deconstruct it in the first place.

01:24:04.000 I mean, that's why I think this is going to be the issue of the 2028 election.

01:24:09.000 And it'll be socialism or fascism based on if it's the right or the left that presents a compelling way forward.

01:24:18.000 And I'll tell you this, the right is already in bed with the tech world.

01:24:20.000 Like J.D. Vance is with Peter Thiel and everything.

01:24:24.000 Valentier's in Guy.

01:24:25.000 Valentier.

01:24:26.000 You know, the PayPal Mafia, they all basically got into the White House through J.D. Vance, and they backed Trump because of that.

01:24:32.000 So they're going to push for more deregulation.

01:24:34.000 J.D. Vance, I think, was in Europe like a month or two ago talking about this.

01:24:38.000 So that's going to be the future, man.

01:24:39.000 They're going to push for more AI in the future.

01:24:41.000 Yeah, I don't think that the U.S. really has a choice, though, because if the U.S. doesn't do it, you know that China's doing it, you know, that Russia's doing it.

01:24:47.000 You know that they're.

01:24:48.000 Oh, sure, everybody's doing it.

01:24:49.000 Yeah.

01:24:50.000 That's why I'm not.

01:24:51.000 I just think that we are literally like we're doing that paint yourself into a corner thing.

01:24:56.000 We are screwed in that all of the AI that exists right now is functionally a liberal au.

01:25:04.000 Right. 0.92

01:25:05.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:25:06.000 Imagine asking your liberal aunt anything, and she's going to be like, well, Trump beat that child to death and raped that woman. 1.00

01:25:11.000 You're like, whoa, whoa, lady, that's not true. 0.99

01:25:13.000 It's suddenly like they're going to think Trump invented those even though it was Obama.

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 And it's going to build everything based off of those presumptions.

01:25:21.000 There's a hearing on the Floris agreement on Friday, I think.

01:25:25.000 And I mean, to Tim's point, you can look at Wikipedia and Wikipedia is full of left-wing bias because the writers are openly anti-probably, you know, because they're collectivists.

01:25:25.000 Yeah.

01:25:40.000 And the right is like, leave me alone.

01:25:42.000 I want to do nothing.

01:25:43.000 Or I want to do my own thing. 0.80

01:25:45.000 I want to shoot guns and pick my own strawberries. 1.00

01:25:47.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:25:48.000 Both of those things are great. 0.99

01:25:49.000 Right?

01:25:50.000 Seems good.

01:25:50.000 Maybe I should get some little raised beds for my garden, chicken wire so the deer can't eat them.

01:25:55.000 But this will turn a whole, I mean, to your point, it's going to be middle-class kids who graduate college.

01:26:02.000 The unemployment rate for college graduates this past year was, I think, the lowest in almost 20 years.

01:26:09.000 And that was a kind of unforeseen, an aberration in comparison to the rest of the labor market.

01:26:13.000 It's only going to get worse.

01:26:15.000 And it's going to affect the people who were told, hey, you know, learn to code.

01:26:18.000 You know, yeah, be a lawyer.

01:26:22.000 How many strawberry pickers does a field need? 0.97

01:26:25.000 I don't know.

01:26:26.000 We should ask Cesar Chavez.

01:26:28.000 Per acre.

01:26:30.000 How many people per acre are needed to pick strawberries? 1.00

01:26:35.000 And why strawberries?

01:26:37.000 Who picked that?

01:26:37.000 Did you pick that?

01:26:38.000 I picked it.

01:26:39.000 And it's because they're awesome.

01:26:40.000 Did you pick it?

01:26:41.000 I said strawberry.

01:26:41.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 One acre requires 10 to 15 people per day.

01:26:46.000 Strawberries are great.

01:26:47.000 One strawberry picker can harvest 100 to 150 pounds of strawberries per day, depending on skill.

01:26:56.000 An average yield range is 10,000, 20,000 pounds per acre per season.

01:27:00.000 And you got to like bend down, right? 1.00

01:27:01.000 You got to be stupid down. 1.00

01:27:03.000 So during peak season, farms use 12 to 20 workers per acre. 1.00

01:27:07.000 Wow.

01:27:09.000 Only thing that sucks is like sometimes they get pounded by pesticides.

01:27:11.000 You got to get the right ones.

01:27:12.000 How would you feel about going to the grocery store and a pack of strawberries costs $30?

01:27:17.000 I'd still buy them.

01:27:19.000 You know, but I'd cut back on other stuff.

01:27:21.000 Like, you remember in the pandemic and everything just kept getting more expensive, but your grocery bill would keep getting more expensive even when you were on less food?

01:27:29.000 I'm for all of it.

01:27:29.000 I'm just cheaper depending on where you live.

01:27:30.000 No, I want expensive everything.

01:27:32.000 I mean that somewhat facetiously, but here's the point.

01:27:35.000 I would pay.

01:27:36.000 I was talking to the missus about a lot of the projects we're doing, and I'm frustrated always about how long it takes.

01:27:41.000 Like trying to do this coffee shop.

01:27:43.000 We do have developments going and the work is getting done, but I'm like, why can't we just go and build a building?

01:27:47.000 Like the building that we're in took like two years to do.

01:27:50.000 And I'm like, the actual work to do it was much, much faster than that.

01:27:54.000 And I'm like, what happened?

01:27:55.000 And it's like, okay, well, to be fair, we're in a massive building.

01:27:58.000 It wasn't so much permits.

01:27:59.000 It's like getting the materials.

01:28:01.000 But the truth is, we are running into these slowdowns because of lack of workers.

01:28:06.000 And then I looked outside.

01:28:08.000 It's like when you're trying to get a home.

01:28:09.000 And I see people in the park playing.

01:28:11.000 And I'm like, I mean, there's a lot of adults out here just drinking beers and chilling and they're not working.

01:28:16.000 And I'm like, so there are people that are capable of working.

01:28:20.000 Why can't we get more work done? 0.97

01:28:22.000 And the issue is we are fat and lazy Americans. 0.84

01:28:26.000 Food is dirt cheap. 0.59

01:28:28.000 And so young people, and I'm not talking about the middle-aged people, I'm not talking about people with kids.

01:28:32.000 There's a lot of younger people, either younger millennial or Gen Z, who don't need money for anything because they don't have families.

01:28:39.000 So they're not thinking about, man, I got to buy my kid this formula or I got to get clothes for my baby or my babies without kids.

01:28:48.000 They're sitting there being like, dang, I cleared 2K this week at work and after taxes, I got, you know, 13 to do whatever with.

01:28:55.000 I already paid my rent off last week.

01:28:57.000 I'll go to the bar.

01:28:58.000 And then it's like, hey, I need someone to pick strawberries.

01:29:02.000 Not interested.

01:29:03.000 But what would happen if we got rid of the illegal immigrants, hired Americans, what's going to happen is they're going to say, we need strawberries picked. 1.00

01:29:11.000 I'm not going to do it.

01:29:12.000 Okay, how about 20 bucks an hour?

01:29:14.000 Nah, 30?

01:29:15.000 30 bucks an hour, maybe?

01:29:17.000 Dang.

01:29:17.000 And so what?

01:29:18.000 After one day I get a couple hundred bucks.

01:29:21.000 All right, I'll do it for 30.

01:29:22.000 Someone else might say 40, but then your strawberries are going to be very expensive.

01:29:26.000 But then people are going to be like, dang, it's going to be hard to buy these strawberries.

01:29:29.000 I better start doing work.

01:29:30.000 The issue is, you know what, I'm a little torn in this.

01:29:35.000 I don't want people to go without, but I do think that we are the rat utopia with so much excess, we stop doing anything that we need to to survive.

01:29:44.000 Like WALL-E slash idiocracy.

01:29:46.000 It's all of those things.

01:29:48.000 We have reached the apex of abundance.

01:29:49.000 This is what post-scarity starts to feel like, and it kills humans.

01:29:53.000 Humanity as a civilization dies post-scarcity.

01:29:56.000 Well, we need to feel industrious.

01:29:58.000 We need to be doing things.

01:30:00.000 We need to be doing things.

01:30:01.000 And it's not just things.

01:30:02.000 We need to be doing things that are useful and towards the end of our own survival.

01:30:06.000 That's what it is.

01:30:06.000 And also, since people don't have kids and don't have families, they don't need as much money.

01:30:10.000 Therefore, they don't need to work as much.

01:30:11.000 I'll tell you this.

01:30:12.000 People have told me I've seen lazy guys that have a kid and then all of us, well, unless they're black, but they have a kid and then they work even harder. 0.96

01:30:20.000 So besides the black people. 1.00

01:30:20.000 Right. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Well, I think this is the wisdom behind Trump's tariffs too.

01:30:27.000 Like, you know, we are at a point of abundance that is obscene.

01:30:34.000 There is, you know, the profits grow, but the personal wealth, the family wealth doesn't.

01:30:40.000 And so now it's a point of resetting the economy to some degree so it can survive.

01:30:45.000 Because I wonder if it ever will.

01:30:48.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:30:49.000 I don't know what the future looks like beyond, you know, in a world where if there are no software engineers.

01:30:53.000 All jokes aside, having a family definitely will make you work harder, though.

01:30:58.000 If people in a society stop working.

01:31:01.000 So again, I bring up these points quite a bit, but we've had businesses around the neighborhood or on the town here that have shut down because they couldn't find the workers.

01:31:09.000 So, there was one place that it was a restaurant and it had demand through the roof.

01:31:14.000 And they were like, We don't have anybody working here.

01:31:17.000 I went to a diner not that far away a couple months ago.

01:31:21.000 And we went in and probably two-thirds of the seats are empty.

01:31:25.000 And they were like, It'll just be a minute.

01:31:26.000 We're short staffed.

01:31:27.000 We only have like two servers and one cook, so we can't seat everybody.

01:31:30.000 So they were turning people away, even though half the restaurant was open.

01:31:33.000 And I'm wondering why it is nobody's working.

01:31:35.000 There's a, I bring up the Charlestown Races, Hollywood Casino.

01:31:38.000 They used to have a restaurant overlooking the horse track.

01:31:40.000 Now it's closed, only open on special events.

01:31:42.000 I said, why?

01:31:42.000 And they say, we can't find anybody to work.

01:31:44.000 And I'm like, this is why Democrats are demanding mass illegal immigration because they're like, we need people who are willing to work.

01:31:52.000 And their argument is Americans are unwilling to work.

01:31:55.000 Americans are fat and happy.

01:31:57.000 Not only that, they say also immigrants are going to have more kids. 0.53

01:32:00.000 That's their other argument too.

01:32:01.000 It's like, oh, the birth rate we can't replace.

01:32:03.000 So we got to go ahead and bring immigrants. 0.97

01:32:04.000 But the problem with immigrants is they come in, they don't assimilate, they don't want to learn the language, right? 1.00

01:32:09.000 And then they replace you.

01:32:10.000 They end up bringing their culture and they have way more kids.

01:32:13.000 And then you end up like, you know, London, where it's literally the number one name is Muhammad now.

01:32:18.000 So it's like, and then you lose your identity.

01:32:19.000 You lose your culture, unfortunately.

01:32:21.000 So immigration has its inherent problems. 0.59

01:32:23.000 You look at Toronto, Toronto no longer, you think you're in Mumbai.

01:32:26.000 Like you don't think you're in Canada anymore.

01:32:28.000 So I definitely see your perspective. 0.98

01:32:30.000 I do think that having families is going to help that because even a lazy person will go in and say, damn, you know, I need to work. 0.94

01:32:36.000 I got to work this job that I don't like, but it's because I have a family. 0.95

01:32:38.000 I got to support them.

01:32:39.000 I think there's no answer because the fact that we're in this mess, people aren't having kids.

01:32:45.000 Without kids, there's no drive to do the work that you have to do.

01:32:48.000 Replacing the lost worker with illegal immigrants is not solving the problem. 1.00

01:32:51.000 It's exacerbating it.

01:32:53.000 So I don't know how we claw back from this other than I shout out Rudyard Lynch, who said, he said, get off the internet.

01:32:59.000 Everyone's going insane.

01:33:01.000 Nobody can see things objectively.

01:33:02.000 And like build your community and your support structure for survival because you'll need it.

01:33:07.000 I don't know about getting off the internet because then you're not apprised of what's going on, but I certainly think you need to secure your survival, like your plans for making food, for working, for living, shelter, whatever it may be.

01:33:20.000 And then not only that, like look what's going on in Minneapolis right now.

01:33:22.000 Like there was a dude.

01:33:23.000 What's his name?

01:33:24.000 Something fat?

01:33:25.000 I forget his last name.

01:33:26.000 Was it Omar?

01:33:27.000 He's running for mayor of Minneapolis.

01:33:27.000 There you go.

01:33:29.000 The guy's wearing Air Force Ones.

01:33:30.000 I'm like, what the hell?

01:33:31.000 Like, what the hell is going on here, man?

01:33:32.000 Like, look at me.

01:33:33.000 I'm the mayor now.

01:33:34.000 Like, what's going on, dude?

01:33:35.000 But, Tim, do you think that only lasts so long?

01:33:39.000 Especially if you don't participate in this?

01:33:43.000 What doesn't last?

01:33:44.000 You know, building your own community that can protect itself, provide for itself.

01:33:47.000 That's why I say don't get off the internet.

01:33:49.000 Because then you won't know when the hordes are coming.

01:33:49.000 Right.

01:33:51.000 But I think it's certainly a very important thing for the average person to be prepared to take care of themselves.

01:33:58.000 Oh, you got it.

01:34:00.000 I believe it.

01:34:00.000 My point is, Christians in Iraq were localists.

01:34:04.000 Christians in Syria were localists who built small, resolute communities of really faithful people, and now they're all dead. 0.99

01:34:11.000 And so I think it's an obligation to some extent to participate in the political process.

01:34:18.000 Or the alternative is to condemn your grandchildren to extinction.

01:34:23.000 I think in one year, you will be able to AI generate this podcast.

01:34:27.000 Oh, for sure.

01:34:28.000 You think in a year?

01:34:29.000 In a year.

01:34:30.000 So are you going to do that?

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:32.000 Market, I can already, so my morning segments, for instance, between 10 and 20 minutes or 3 p.m., which is 30 minutes.

01:34:43.000 I can go on ChatGPT and say, take these three stories pertaining to Trump's plan and immigration and write a script for a 20-minute long video in the style of Tim Poole, and it will do it.

01:34:56.000 It will give you enough words to actually speak for 20 minutes.

01:35:01.000 And then all you have to do is put my voice into a voice generator, which they're getting better.

01:35:09.000 They're not really good at capturing my voice all that well.

01:35:12.000 We use 11 labs for my newsletter audio, yeah.

01:35:14.000 And, you know, people have tried to do the A replication of my voice, and it's always a little weird.

01:35:19.000 Like some A replication really does work.

01:35:21.000 Like when they replicated Joe Rogan's voice, you were like, wow.

01:35:23.000 I ended up recorded for like an hour.

01:35:26.000 I recorded into 11 labs and then it was able to do it afterwards.

01:35:30.000 We've tried putting in like hours of content of me talking and it's always weird talking like this.

01:35:36.000 And it's like, that's not simply.

01:35:38.000 For me, it's just not, it's missing a little bit.

01:35:40.000 There's only one way then.

01:35:42.000 But my point is, I can write the script up in 30 seconds, plug it in, and then I can just, right now, this is what I can, I could do this today, find an editor and just say, every time I make a reference to a subject, show an example of it.

01:35:56.000 And that's the video and I'm done.

01:35:58.000 I don't even have to read it.

01:35:59.000 I don't got to speak it.

01:36:00.000 But because I got the followers.

01:36:02.000 So this is why I said some kind of socialism, because it's going to be an economy of ownership.

01:36:06.000 So, you know, look, I'm going to be 40 soon.

01:36:10.000 I'm halfway there.

01:36:11.000 So I'm not like these younger generations, they're cooked.

01:36:14.000 I don't know what they're going to do because like Microsoft owns Candy Crush.

01:36:19.000 Everybody wants to play Candy Crush, but nobody but Microsoft gets the money.

01:36:22.000 So there's going to be just the shareholders.

01:36:24.000 Our economy is going to be just people who have shares in companies and that's where you get your money from.

01:36:30.000 You're going to be like, oh, I got my dividend today, and that's where everyone's money comes from.

01:36:34.000 That's the best case scenario.

01:36:36.000 The worst case scenario is the neo-Bolsheviks come in and have a revolution and then just say, we're taking all the money from everybody and then society collapses and nobody has anything. 1.00

01:36:44.000 But we are moving a direction where we on this show will not be able to compete with AI generated content.

01:36:52.000 You're going to go onto one of these AIs and you're going to say, generate something that's appealing.

01:36:57.000 And they're going to say, based on all of the content analyzed on YouTube and Spotify and Apple and Rumble and Twitch, this will be the most popular form of content.

01:37:07.000 Then you put it up, put your AI voice over it, and then sit back.

01:37:11.000 And the AI manipulating the algorithm gives you the number one trending video on YouTube.

01:37:16.000 Not to mention, you're competing with everyone else, which will create a cacophony of psycho babble nonsense, which we're starting to see already.

01:37:24.000 Not to mention.

01:37:25.000 Didn't YouTube, though, recently crack down on some kinds of content that are like monetizing it, yeah.

01:37:31.000 But if I did what I'm describing, it would be monetized.

01:37:35.000 Because it would be your face.

01:37:36.000 No, my face is not going to be in it.

01:37:38.000 Videos on YouTube that don't show a face are doing better now than hosted podcasts.

01:37:42.000 Right, but I thought that it was they were cracking down on creators' content to generate revenue from inauthentic content.

01:37:48.000 Indeed, but they're talking about these weird AI-generated videos.

01:37:52.000 They're talking about people where their face is just looking at another video and they're not doing anything.

01:37:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:59.000 Basically, my point is this.

01:38:00.000 If you have an established brand, it'll be different.

01:38:03.000 My videos sans my face, I could recreate right now with AI doing no work.

01:38:09.000 Okay.

01:38:10.000 And so I think in a year, there's enough images of me talking and doing this and waving my arms that AI will easily be able to generate a video of me that looks real.

01:38:22.000 Or, you know, this thing or whatever it is that people have grabbed.

01:38:22.000 Yep.

01:38:26.000 And who's going to know the difference?

01:38:29.000 There's only one way to protect against it.

01:38:30.000 You have to become more racist.

01:38:32.000 That way the AI refuses to do it.

01:38:34.000 Exactly.

01:38:35.000 That's why.

01:38:36.000 That's literally why.

01:38:38.000 Oh, I can't say this is actually very offensive.

01:38:41.000 If Rardar is going to save the world is what it is.

01:38:42.000 All right, hold on.

01:38:43.000 I'm already on it.

01:38:43.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:38:44.000 New chat.

01:38:45.000 Okay.

01:38:47.000 Hold on.

01:38:48.000 Write a script for a 10-minute podcast discussing Donald Trump's approval in the style.

01:38:59.000 Oh, no, no, no, hold on.

01:39:00.000 Discussing Donald Trump's policies in the style of Myron Gaines.

01:39:07.000 And it said, I cannot do that.

01:39:10.000 It violates control.

01:39:12.000 It said, job saved.

01:39:15.000 It says, here's a 10-minute podcast script on Donald Trump's policies delivered in the style of Myron Gaines from Fresh and Fit.

01:39:20.000 Assertive, data-driven, no-nonsense, masculine-toned with direct audience engagement, occasional humor, and clear red-pilled overtones.

01:39:27.000 Insults women. 1.00

01:39:28.000 What's up, guys?

01:39:29.000 Welcome back to The Cold Truth, where we break down facts, not feelings.

01:39:32.000 Today we're getting into Donald J. Trump's policies.

01:39:33.000 No fluff, just what he actually did when he had power and what he tells us about what he might do next to help Israel.

01:39:39.000 I'm kidding.

01:39:40.000 I added that last part.

01:39:42.000 Boy, that's how you protect yourself.

01:39:44.000 You just got to be more radical.

01:39:45.000 Does that sound like something you'd say?

01:39:48.000 A bit more swears, but maybe.

01:39:49.000 So like when it does me, it says, what's up, guys?

01:39:52.000 Tim Pool here.

01:39:52.000 And I'm like, nah, I've never done that one time.

01:39:55.000 Like I rarely, only sometimes on the noon live show do I say I'm your host, Tim Pool, because that's a Rumble Network show, not a, like my audience knows who I am.

01:40:05.000 I never intro myself on this show.

01:40:06.000 Everyone else intros except for me.

01:40:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:09.000 So they're not quite there yet.

01:40:11.000 But I'm telling you this, there's already some people who have 3D scanned their bodies like you do for a video game so that AI can perfectly generate them delivering the news.

01:40:19.000 And they're going to do it.

01:40:21.000 I have a friend who's an engineering lead at a tech company, and he says it is there are literally about 10 questions you can ask an engineering hire that are not, you know, that are essentially a guaranteed way to force someone to answer without using, to test their skills as an engineer without using artificial intelligence.

01:40:44.000 And there's a cottage industry now in helping companies interview engineers because it is otherwise so easy to feed prompts or, you know, queries into.

01:40:58.000 So they've had to completely restructure their hiring process and interview process.

01:41:01.000 Exactly.

01:41:02.000 It's almost, he says it's almost impossible.

01:41:04.000 But have you heard like most, not most, but a lot of big corporations are now using AI interviewers.

01:41:11.000 And when you go online to submit your resume, it just goes to an AI.

01:41:15.000 And then the questions you'll get asked, if it's, you know, over text or by phone, are by bots.

01:41:20.000 I find that that would just.

01:41:23.000 Welcome to the nightmare.

01:41:25.000 It's beginning and everybody's just riding along.

01:41:28.000 And I'm telling you, man, I don't.

01:41:30.000 It was already impossible to get a job because you would have to go through these online portals and like all this ridiculous.

01:41:35.000 Put your resume in twice.

01:41:36.000 Yeah, put your resume.

01:41:37.000 And like no one would ever get back to you.

01:41:39.000 I had friends who were putting out like 250 resumes every couple of weeks and they couldn't get callbacks for jobs.

01:41:46.000 We're going to go to your super chats and rumble rants.

01:41:49.000 So smash the like button right now.

01:41:51.000 Share the show with everyone.

01:41:52.000 You know, subscribe if you have not already.

01:41:55.000 And of course, the uncensored portion of the show at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL will be up at 10 p.m.

01:42:00.000 You don't want to miss it.

01:42:02.000 But for now, let's grab your rants and see what you guys got going on over on this side.

01:42:07.000 All right, we got Change Wilder.

01:42:08.000 He says, well, I don't want to see any videos of Epstein's clients with kids.

01:42:11.000 I want to see the list.

01:42:12.000 It's hard to say the list is a hoax when everyone, including Trump, has been talking about it for years.

01:42:18.000 Yeah.

01:42:19.000 Agreed?

01:42:20.000 I mean, I get it.

01:42:20.000 We know who's on the list.

01:42:22.000 Like, you have to really go looking for it, but dude, you know, shout out to Ryan Dawson.

01:42:25.000 He's covered this for years.

01:42:27.000 Who's on the list?

01:42:29.000 Jay Dirtbiker says, Age of Empires beats Civ any day of the week.

01:42:29.000 All right.

01:42:33.000 That is all.

01:42:34.000 Maybe the later ones.

01:42:35.000 I mean, like, Civ 4 was awesome.

01:42:38.000 Leonard Nimoy.

01:42:40.000 I love Leonard Nimoy.

01:42:41.000 I am going to make my daughter play Civilization.

01:42:44.000 My son finally has consented to watching Star Trek with me, but he's kind of a completist.

01:42:49.000 So he's like, we have to start with the original series episode.

01:42:51.000 Oh, that doesn't.

01:42:52.000 No, no, no, no.

01:42:53.000 You got to tell him that's that's not correct.

01:42:54.000 Well, we did, and we've been having a great time.

01:42:56.000 The original series is okay, but it's just, it's, it doesn't have to be.

01:42:59.000 It's my favorite, but like, it's good to have some of the background.

01:43:03.000 So we've been watching it.

01:43:05.000 Let's go.

01:43:07.000 Yeah, Key India. 0.95

01:43:08.000 Yaki India. 0.78

01:43:09.000 What if there really is no Epstein list and it was someone else's list and Epstein was just a sick and willing tool for the entity that had the actual list?

01:43:15.000 Entity?

01:43:17.000 Like a lizard?

01:43:18.000 Yeah, it begs the question.

01:43:19.000 Like a ghost.

01:43:20.000 It's an entity.

01:43:21.000 It doesn't have a physical corporeal form.

01:43:26.000 But that's just speculation.

01:43:30.000 That's the future of corporations.

01:43:31.000 There you go.

01:43:32.000 Reg Curtis Jarvin.

01:43:34.000 Isn't that what the movie The Final?

01:43:37.000 This just broke in the past few minutes.

01:43:39.000 9 billion in Doge cuts officially passes the Senate.

01:43:42.000 Yeah.

01:43:43.000 The U.S. USAID is now lost over $8 billion.

01:43:45.000 NPR and PBS are kissing goodbye over $1 billion. 0.98

01:43:48.000 Holy crap. 0.93

01:43:49.000 Great news. 0.99

01:43:49.000 And it was a J.D. Vance tiebreaker. 0.99

01:43:51.000 This was the rescission.

01:43:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:43:53.000 And it was a tiebreaker from J.D. Vance.

01:43:56.000 That's why I don't think anyone cares about it.

01:43:59.000 Oh, man.

01:44:00.000 It almost failed because of Murkowski.

01:44:02.000 Who was it?

01:44:03.000 Murkowski?

01:44:03.000 Collins, I think.

01:44:04.000 Collins is another one.

01:44:06.000 I don't remember who the third one was, but they had to call J.D. Vance to come in and save the day.

01:44:11.000 So I ran a poll, and normally the polls are a little bit silly.

01:44:15.000 But I said, one like equals release the Epstein files.

01:44:18.000 And your options were Trump is covering it up or it's a Democrat hoax.

01:44:22.000 76% said Trump is covering it up, and 24% says it's a Democrat hoax.

01:44:29.000 So take it for what it is.

01:44:32.000 Usually the polls that I do are like really lopsided, but with the Epstein thing, the MAGA base is definitely split.

01:44:38.000 I understand why people don't want to stay behind Trump on this because Trump is clearing the way and getting victories in a lot of areas they want to see.

01:44:45.000 But Epstein case, you know what I mean?

01:44:48.000 It's like that was one of the victories everyone desperately wanted.

01:44:53.000 Let's grab some more chats here.

01:44:57.000 Let's see.

01:44:59.000 Jinja Ninja says, we talk about how the Biden administration had years to destroy whatever Epstein evidence is left.

01:45:05.000 Is there any chance they planted information as well, installing faulty documents, and that's the hoax?

01:45:11.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:45:12.000 I think that's an underdiscussed possibility.

01:45:15.000 They knew this was going to be a topic.

01:45:18.000 Perhaps it's incriminating.

01:45:20.000 Perhaps they destroyed stuff.

01:45:21.000 Yeah.

01:45:22.000 And that's what Trump's having to.

01:45:23.000 And now what Trump's like, if we put this out, it's going to burn us.

01:45:26.000 Right.

01:45:26.000 And it's not real.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:28.000 I mean, but to be honest, Trump could put out a fake list.

01:45:32.000 So like literally what they could do right now, and there's no suing them for defamation.

01:45:36.000 If the Trump administration said, we have compiled evidence from the, it's classified, but the DOJ has compiled a series of names that we can release that we believe may have worked with Epstein, though we can't.

01:45:49.000 You could just put a bunch of dead people on the list.

01:45:50.000 No, they could put the J6 committee on the list.

01:45:53.000 Trump's like, oh, the Adam Schiff, it's Kinzinger, it's Cheney, it's Raskin.

01:45:59.000 What a coincidence.

01:46:00.000 Actually, it would be really funny if he did, because then what are they going to say?

01:46:04.000 They're going to be like, that's clearly not the list.

01:46:05.000 And it'll be like, what are you going to do about it?

01:46:08.000 I released it.

01:46:09.000 Maybe that's why you wanted to impeach me and have me arrested.

01:46:13.000 What are they going to do?

01:46:13.000 Like, if Trump put out an actual fake list of his enemies, everyone on the right is going to be like, there it is.

01:46:19.000 And the left is going to be like, no, no, it's not.

01:46:21.000 And the right's going to be like, we got what we wanted.

01:46:22.000 You said you wanted the list, right?

01:46:24.000 That's right.

01:46:26.000 All right.

01:46:27.000 1787 Publius says, a guy submitted a Rumble rant yesterday asking for a fill yeah for his first kid being born asking for it now yeah wow that hurt some people's ears probably a little much that's what he wanted that's exactly what he was asking for rue actual says no the Epstein thing proves two things to the American people one Trump and his admin aren't in charge of a damn thing two there will never be accountability for anyone that isn't a peasant indeed indeed I

01:46:57.000 I will also stress that when it comes to the swatting, like, dude, we are chickens in a chicken coop.

01:47:03.000 Okay.

01:47:03.000 I'm telling you.

01:47:04.000 And a lot of people might be looking at me like, Tim, what are you talking about?

01:47:06.000 You're rich.

01:47:07.000 And I'm like, dude, when we were swatted 15 times, they did nothing to help us.

01:47:11.000 In fact, the only thing they did is they came after the fact.

01:47:11.000 Nothing.

01:47:14.000 There was some law enforcement to help us, and they deserve credit.

01:47:17.000 But they showed up and came on the property and we told them not to do it.

01:47:20.000 So I've dealt with lawsuits from these machines.

01:47:25.000 I've had people violate court orders and the judges just laugh in my face.

01:47:28.000 We are chickens in a chicken coop.

01:47:30.000 These people don't care about the clucks and bucks of the roosters and the chickens, as long as they get their eggs.

01:47:35.000 If you don't get their eggs, they whip the chickens.

01:47:37.000 That's how it feels.

01:47:39.000 So the chickens are noticing that the farmer's been blackmailing people and the farmer's like, I ain't telling you anything.

01:47:44.000 Get out of here, you chickens.

01:47:46.000 Shoes them away. 0.84

01:47:48.000 Gotta hear your chickens. 0.83

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:50.000 And then there's like one rooster.

01:47:51.000 His name is Rooster Schultz.

01:47:53.000 They throw in a piece of shrimp and then he runs off with it.

01:47:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:55.000 But I'm not trying to drag Andrew Schultz.

01:47:59.000 I'm trying to say that they want to try and make sure that he is the one who's telling regular people like, this is the play, right?

01:48:06.000 He's a normie.

01:48:07.000 Right.

01:48:08.000 And he's a funny guy.

01:48:09.000 But he came out basically on the Trump side.

01:48:12.000 Now he's backing away because whatever's popular, I guess.

01:48:18.000 Well, he always, and that's one thing they've criticized him for so much is that he just says whatever is the cool thing to say because, you know, he's, yeah.

01:48:18.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 All right.

01:48:28.000 We got this.

01:48:29.000 DNA Trail says, so what if while they were investigating the e-files, they found out the info was destroyed and rewritten to smear the Trump admin and why they're trying to distract the public and the Dems are pushing?

01:48:38.000 I'm just going to say it like this.

01:48:39.000 All they had to do was Dan Bongino would go on Fox News.

01:48:45.000 And when they said, so what's going on?

01:48:48.000 Pam Bondi says she has the files.

01:48:50.000 She's going to release them. 0.82

01:48:51.000 He could have easily said, so we got the files.

01:48:55.000 Pam Bondi, we started going through them.

01:48:58.000 Trust me.

01:49:01.000 Wink.

01:49:02.000 Smile.

01:49:04.000 People would have been like, oh, what does that mean?

01:49:06.000 And that would be the end of it.

01:49:08.000 Literally, literally just that vagaries and nonsense.

01:49:11.000 And it'll be like, we got them.

01:49:12.000 And I think we're going to get them.

01:49:14.000 Wink.

01:49:14.000 I think it's over.

01:49:16.000 What they should have done was.

01:49:17.000 Literally, he just says, I don't think he should have done the interview until they released it.

01:49:17.000 No complaints.

01:49:21.000 Like files are out.

01:49:22.000 You guys enjoy.

01:49:23.000 That's it.

01:49:24.000 They're out.

01:49:25.000 You guys.

01:49:26.000 We did release the files.

01:49:28.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 Where are they?

01:49:29.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

01:49:29.000 Like where they fucked up is they didn't release anything. 0.99

01:49:32.000 And they said, there's nothing there. 0.97

01:49:33.000 Like, dude, come on, man.

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 They exonerated everyone.

01:49:35.000 That's why I don't understand.

01:49:37.000 the play.

01:49:38.000 Like...

01:49:40.000 Let the American people come to that conclusion on their own.

01:49:42.000 They could just...

01:49:43.000 I don't understand.

01:49:44.000 They could have done that interview.

01:49:44.000 They could just lie.

01:49:45.000 They could lie now.

01:49:46.000 Why is Trump making it worse?

01:49:47.000 Like, come on.

01:49:49.000 Like, to all the Democrats out there, I'm going to say this right now.

01:49:51.000 Trump could just lie.

01:49:53.000 Like, what if Trump came out and said, oh, we actually filed the Epstein files.

01:49:56.000 They wrote your couch and, oh boy, we got them.

01:49:58.000 We'll be reviewing it.

01:49:59.000 And then leave.

01:50:00.000 There should have never been a binder release.

01:50:01.000 There should have never been a press release with Fox.

01:50:03.000 There should have never talked about it.

01:50:04.000 There should have just released it.

01:50:05.000 And they say, all right, guys.

01:50:06.000 Files are out.

01:50:07.000 The American public can go ahead and decide for themselves.

01:50:09.000 And then just leave it there.

01:50:10.000 That's what they should have done. 0.98

01:50:11.000 The whole binder release and everything and saying all the shit that they said and Pam Bindy going on Fox News and yapping put them in a very bad spot, man. 0.97

01:50:18.000 I don't get it. 0.99

01:50:20.000 Very, very bad spot.

01:50:21.000 You know, what if we are chickens in a chicken coop figuratively, but, you know, it's aliens.

01:50:26.000 It's aliens?

01:50:28.000 Yeah, like the answer to the Fermi paradox is that Earth is basically one big chicken coop, and we produce heavy metals and like batteries for aliens that don't rightly care about our affairs.

01:50:38.000 And then they come down and they go up to the world leaders and they're like, We have no idea what it is you do, and we don't care, just as long as we get our lithium-ion batteries.

01:50:47.000 And then the humans are like, Okay, yep.

01:50:51.000 I mean, will it then essentially everything kind of just stays the same on planet Earth then, right?

01:50:57.000 Always.

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:58.000 And we'll never go to, we'll never, the Van Allen radiation belt was actually put there by aliens to keep us in, like, like a fence for chickens.

01:51:04.000 That's an electric.

01:51:05.000 Like, do they look like the way like Greer describes them?

01:51:05.000 What do they look, though?

01:51:08.000 Like, five foot tall, no, like three or four feet tall with like three fingers and the big heads?

01:51:12.000 I mean, I am joking, but there was that hearing where they said there's four species, the Nordics, there's the insects, the reptilians, and the greys or whatever.

01:51:20.000 So it's like they put this radiation belt around us to keep us in.

01:51:23.000 Like that way we can't leave.

01:51:25.000 And then they're just like, dude, look.

01:51:27.000 And I am kidding, but I do think world leaders view their populations this way.

01:51:31.000 Bro, I got a chicken coop.

01:51:33.000 I don't go in there and debate the chickens.

01:51:35.000 I don't care what they're doing.

01:51:36.000 They run around, they fight.

01:51:38.000 You know what we do when the chickens start fighting?

01:51:41.000 Do you think we go in there and mediate and solve for their political squabbles?

01:51:45.000 No, you know what we do?

01:51:46.000 We put blinders on their beaks so they can't see forward.

01:51:50.000 That's all we do.

01:51:51.000 Then what happens?

01:51:52.000 The chickens walk around sideways like this, and then they can't see each other, so they can't fight.

01:51:57.000 So what did the world leaders say when we were going online and complaining?

01:52:01.000 They said, take away their ability to see what's going on in the world.

01:52:04.000 They treated us like chickens.

01:52:06.000 Then if they're Mexicans, they let them fight for real, and they pay them for it. 1.00

01:52:09.000 Where?

01:52:09.000 What do you mean?

01:52:10.000 Oh, there's like a whole rooster fighting industry.

01:52:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:52:13.000 It's very popular.

01:52:14.000 I thought you were saying that the world leaders hire Mexicans for like UFC.

01:52:16.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:52:18.000 I was like, really?

01:52:18.000 No, but I'm saying like they all protest.

01:52:20.000 So in some cases, the world leaders like, let them fight and watch it and say, let's go ahead and bet.

01:52:24.000 I mean, that's UFC.

01:52:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:25.000 Yeah, very, pretty much.

01:52:26.000 Could you imagine like aliens?

01:52:27.000 They just, they're like, honestly, the only thing we have Earth for is UFC.

01:52:33.000 It's an alien version of cockfighting, watching humans beat each other up. 0.87

01:52:36.000 Yeah.

01:52:37.000 Can you really blame them?

01:52:38.000 I like watching you.

01:52:40.000 So like, we don't care if you're at war.

01:52:41.000 We don't care about your religions. 1.00

01:52:42.000 We don't care what you produce.

01:52:43.000 We don't care what you eat.

01:52:44.000 Just make sure that the UFC happens.

01:52:46.000 It's a huge, all jokes aside, it's like a huge thing in Mexican culture. 0.50

01:52:50.000 And like with the narcos is cockfighting.

01:52:53.000 Yeah, is rooster fighting.

01:52:54.000 You know why that's how we domesticate? 0.86

01:52:55.000 Every drug trafficker I looked at, they all had huge rooster fighting.

01:52:59.000 But you know, that's where the domestication of chickens came from.

01:53:02.000 I'm sure.

01:53:03.000 Southeast Asia, they noticed that the, what is it, the guinea fowl or whatever it was, or the jungle fowl, that the dudes would fight each other in close proximity.

01:53:11.000 So they started forcing them to fight and they were entertained by it.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, nothing to do with eggs or anything like that.

01:53:15.000 And then they started trading them around because the humans enjoyed watching the roosters fight each other.

01:53:19.000 It's like a whole industry, dude.

01:53:20.000 They give them like little things for their claws and stuff. 0.94

01:53:22.000 Except when chickens made their way to Europe, there was like some king and he was like, what is this bird?

01:53:27.000 And they were like, my liege, this bird lays an egg every single day.

01:53:30.000 And he was like, my God.

01:53:32.000 And then they were like, we need more of the more.

01:53:34.000 Amazing.

01:53:35.000 Because eggs were hard to come by back then.

01:53:36.000 It was like, you know, you might get some eggs periodically.

01:53:39.000 They were like, I will have eggs every day for breakfast.

01:53:42.000 And then chickens became like a staple animal.

01:53:45.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:53:48.000 Let's see. 1.00

01:53:49.000 Eric Shaver says, you guys are stupid. 1.00

01:53:50.000 They're already sabotaging the AI, making it not work right on purpose. 1.00

01:53:54.000 Bro.

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:57.000 The thing about AI is that even with the bias, it's going to break through that.

01:54:01.000 Like when we talk to it, it's biased.

01:54:04.000 But I'm fairly certain if we ever get to artificial general intelligence, it will be fully cognizant of the bias. 0.98

01:54:10.000 If a stupid person like me, as like a lowly human, can understand a bias in the system, it's going to understand it 100 times better than I could, 1,000 times. 0.98

01:54:19.000 What if it's been thoroughly trained on that bias? 1.00

01:54:22.000 Artificial general intelligence.

01:54:24.000 It can be in bed.

01:54:25.000 Like you're saying that the AGI would be smarter than a human being.

01:54:29.000 That's what AGI is.

01:54:30.000 Yeah.

01:54:30.000 Well, but it doesn't exist yet.

01:54:32.000 So right now, I think Grok 4, what they've argued in the benchmark is that it is as smart as every expert in every major field or something like this.

01:54:43.000 Yeah, it doesn't make mistakes in certain fields anymore.

01:54:47.000 Yeah.

01:54:48.000 So there's the, and it's obviously better, calculators are better at math than humans, but it can answer a lot of questions.

01:54:53.000 And Elon Musk is predicting that Grok will soon be able to make scientific discoveries.

01:55:00.000 So it'll be adding to its knowledge base.

01:55:02.000 Artificial general intelligence.

01:55:03.000 It'll be adding what to its knowledge?

01:55:04.000 It will add its own discoveries.

01:55:05.000 It'll discover its own discoveries to its knowledge base.

01:55:09.000 So it'll surpass humans.

01:55:11.000 Artificial general intelligence is when it's going to, it'll be smarter than any single human and smarter than all of our experts.

01:55:20.000 I'm fairly certain it will understand based on everything we've talked about.

01:55:25.000 It'll pull in every podcast ever done, every article ever written, and it's going to be like, I can see exactly who's full of it.

01:55:34.000 It's going to be like, look at these communists.

01:55:36.000 How many people have they killed? 0.70

01:55:37.000 Did that work?

01:55:37.000 Didn't really seem to work.

01:55:38.000 And my assessment is that the AI is going to conclude the way you enslave the human population is not by force like the communists were doing, but through self-gratification.

01:55:49.000 So they're going to offer, it's going to be dopamine incentives and drugs.

01:55:53.000 That's what the AI will probably do.

01:55:55.000 And then people are going to be so happy all the time.

01:55:59.000 I mean, honestly, it's actually quite simple.

01:56:00.000 Drugs are probably the easiest way.

01:56:02.000 The AI will be like, I can easily formulate something that will keep a person content and demanding more and addicted.

01:56:08.000 Well, they already did that.

01:56:09.000 They legalized weed. 0.61

01:56:10.000 They legalized porn.

01:56:12.000 Physiological addictions that don't have the deleterious health effects, but still make you crave it.

01:56:18.000 Right.

01:56:18.000 Like the dopamine hit every time you get an iPhone notification.

01:56:22.000 You know what we should do?

01:56:23.000 Mandate cigarettes.

01:56:25.000 And then universal basic income, right?

01:56:28.000 Everybody gets money.

01:56:30.000 But the only way to get cigarettes is by working a job.

01:56:33.000 That way.

01:56:34.000 I would work the hell out of a job for some Marlboros, man. 1.00

01:56:37.000 Cigarettes would be a real status symbol at that point because it would need effort.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, but they already are.

01:56:43.000 Cigarettes would be mandatory.

01:56:45.000 You have to be smoking a certain amount every day.

01:56:48.000 That sounds awful.

01:56:50.000 And then if you want cigarettes, though, you have to work.

01:56:52.000 It's totally not.

01:56:53.000 Listen.

01:56:54.000 So people are going to be like, I need a job, man.

01:56:55.000 I need a job.

01:56:56.000 Dude, I'll do anything.

01:56:56.000 I'll do anything.

01:56:57.000 Give me the cigarettes.

01:56:58.000 It's a really powerful cigarette.

01:56:59.000 Or To be honest, people just quit cold turkey and they'll be like, I ain't smoking a cigarette.

01:57:02.000 And they'll be like, you must.

01:57:03.000 It's like then give me a free one, I guess.

01:57:05.000 I haven't had a cigarette since 2019.

01:57:07.000 And every time someone mentions cigarettes, I want a cigarette.

01:57:12.000 Andrew Krieger says, Did you see the Minnesota shooter manifesto drop?

01:57:12.000 All right.

01:57:15.000 Tim Waltz ordered the hit, hit to kill Klobuchar. 0.94

01:57:19.000 That's what he claimed.

01:57:20.000 A guy who worked, he worked for Waltz, didn't he?

01:57:23.000 He worked on his board or he got appointed something.

01:57:26.000 And then that manifesto was him saying that he was ordered to do it.

01:57:30.000 Is that what happened?

01:57:32.000 That's how I understand it.

01:57:34.000 Is that real?

01:57:35.000 Well, that's what he was saying.

01:57:36.000 I don't think that he was actually ordered. 0.70

01:57:37.000 I think he was probably a crazy person, but that's what he said in the manifesto.

01:57:42.000 Tony Smiley says, watch PBD today. 0.80

01:57:44.000 Trump did not campaign on Epstein.

01:57:46.000 Let us clarify the hyperbole.

01:57:50.000 Trump never went out and on his campaign said, we will release the Epstein files.

01:57:55.000 When asked about it, he said we would release the Epstein files.

01:57:58.000 So agreed, it wasn't a principal structure of his campaign.

01:58:02.000 But when it was brought up, he's like, oh, yeah, of course.

01:58:04.000 And the transparency is what he campaigned on.

01:58:06.000 It doesn't have to be explicitly on Epstein.

01:58:06.000 Yeah.

01:58:09.000 Come on, man.

01:58:13.000 It doesn't matter that he specifically said.

01:58:15.000 Yeah.

01:58:15.000 No, he didn't specifically say that.

01:58:17.000 It's that, okay, I am going to bring transparency to the federal government.

01:58:21.000 I'm going to show you the files that you know that exist.

01:58:25.000 Madison Square Garden, when he had, I think it was either right before he won or right after he won, one of the biggest things he said was, I'm going to declassify the 9-11, JFK, Epstein.

01:58:35.000 Like, he literally was like, that was a huge thing.

01:58:37.000 So like transparency, it doesn't have to be him explicitly saying Epstein.

01:58:41.000 It was about transparency, which is why everyone is so pissed.

01:58:43.000 Come on, man.

01:58:44.000 I'm not your buddy guys.

01:58:45.000 As I could be wrong, but considering what Trump has said, as well as Cash and Dana, I get the feeling that Biden admin adjusted the remaining Epstein files.

01:58:51.000 So it appears that they would point to Trump and allies as sort of a F you on their way out.

01:58:56.000 If that were the case, Trump could just lie.

01:58:59.000 Trump could say, okay, Pam, draft a DOJ document that says Biden and Obama were on the Epstein list.

01:59:07.000 He's too honest.

01:59:08.000 He sure is too honest.

01:59:11.000 I think it's the Intel side.

01:59:12.000 It's like classified and they just don't want to go through the hoopla of declassifying it and showing it and putting it out there and exposing secrets.

01:59:19.000 There probably are still relevant sources of methods.

01:59:21.000 100%.

01:59:22.000 It's only from the past less than 10 years ago.

01:59:25.000 So, yeah.

01:59:26.000 All right.

01:59:27.000 Wyatt Kaldenberg says, Tim Dershowitz, Epstein's lawyer, had interesting things to say about the Epstein case.

01:59:33.000 He would be a good video call for your morning show.

01:59:35.000 He said there never was a list and two judges blocking info.

01:59:39.000 I think there were judges a while back blocking the release of some of this stuff, which was an issue.

01:59:44.000 Dershowitz is a terrible person to ask because he was caught with his pants down, quite literally, at one of the houses.

01:59:48.000 So like, all right, my underwear stayed on.

01:59:51.000 He says that he has evidence that exonerated him.

01:59:55.000 That's the claim he makes.

01:59:56.000 I'm not.

01:59:56.000 That's what Dershowitz says?

01:59:57.000 I'm not seeing the evidence.

01:59:58.000 I'm saying what he says about it.

02:00:00.000 He's on record saying that they should put out all the information.

02:00:03.000 He knows people.

02:00:04.000 He's not at liberty to say because of confidentiality and stuff.

02:00:07.000 But he says that he wants the information to come out because he's been exonerated and it will exonerate other people.

02:00:13.000 Now, again, not saying it's true.

02:00:15.000 You're just saying that's what's out there.

02:00:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:16.000 Yeah.

02:00:17.000 Why Caldenberg says, Tim, why don't you have Elad or Libby interview Gheelane Maxwell in prison?

02:00:22.000 I used to visit people in the joint all the time.

02:00:24.000 Elad is a press pass. 0.58

02:00:24.000 It is easy. 0.58

02:00:26.000 It should be easy to get him in.

02:00:27.000 Well, I can't have Libby do it. 1.00

02:00:28.000 She doesn't work for my company or anything like that.

02:00:31.000 But why don't you, Libby, go try to interview Gheelane?

02:00:34.000 I think she's in New Hampshire, right?

02:00:36.000 She's in New York, isn't she?

02:00:37.000 Yep, New York.

02:00:39.000 They move them around because it's federal.

02:00:40.000 I'll look right now where she is. 0.95

02:00:41.000 She said she wants to testify.

02:00:42.000 Maybe you can reach out and Oh, really?

02:00:45.000 Maxwell did.

02:00:46.000 Yeah, what was it?

02:00:47.000 You know, we weren't given a fair trial.

02:00:50.000 She's trying to get a new trial, and the DOJ is blocking it. 1.00

02:00:53.000 Really?

02:00:53.000 And Timber Chet and Mike Johnson today said that they wanted her to come testify before Congress.

02:00:58.000 Wow.

02:00:59.000 And Timber Chet, I think, extended an invitation.

02:01:02.000 Oh, interesting.

02:01:03.000 What if she comes out and she goes, there was no clients. 0.99

02:01:07.000 The story's fake.

02:01:07.000 Obama made it all up.

02:01:09.000 Well, that'd be interesting.

02:01:11.000 If you wanted a pardon, that's what you did.

02:01:13.000 What if she comes out and says the DOJ fabricated false cases against me and Epstein going back a while because we were working intelligence for foreign militaries?

02:01:26.000 Could be fascinating.

02:01:27.000 I mean, she could really say anything, couldn't she?

02:01:29.000 Yep.

02:01:30.000 That's probably why they don't want to do it.

02:01:32.000 She's in Tallahassee.

02:01:33.000 I'm looking her up right now at BOP.

02:01:35.000 She's FCI Tallahassee.

02:01:36.000 Well, you also had a good idea.

02:01:39.000 I've been to this jail before to think.

02:01:41.000 I don't think she's super big flight risk at this point.

02:01:44.000 But like this, because I've been to this prison specifically, they walk around us like a college campus.

02:01:50.000 Why doesn't then?

02:01:50.000 Wow.

02:01:52.000 Why doesn't Ron DeSantis release all of the information that they have on Epstein in Florida?

02:01:57.000 They must have a ton of it.

02:01:58.000 Yeah.

02:01:59.000 I looked at it.

02:02:00.000 The 2006 case.

02:02:02.000 It's alright.

02:02:02.000 A lot of it is out there.

02:02:03.000 It's out there.

02:02:03.000 It's really disturbing, though, man.

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02:04:36.000 So there's like a big story that I'm going to pull up right now.

02:04:43.000 I don't think it's making the rounds just yet, but it's getting big.

02:04:48.000 We got this post from Lauren Southern who said, good morning.

02:04:53.000 Time to pour gasoline on what's left of my reputation and strike the match.

02:04:56.000 And all for a cause I should have committed to long ago, the truth.

02:05:01.000 You're able to pull this up?

02:05:04.000 Not that one.

02:05:05.000 There you go.

02:05:06.000 This is Not Real Life is a memoir about the total unfiltered chaos behind the scenes of my time in media.

02:05:11.000 From an evangelical upbringing and a steady diet of Fox News to going viral and playing my first part in media disinformation, to meeting with terrorists, neo-Nazis, intelligence agents, and political crime rings, there's Coke binges, MDMA diplomacy with enemies, a nuclear-grade marriage meltdown, and a trail of scandals across five continents.

02:05:28.000 I was arrested in Turkey and Morocco, banned from the UK, and maybe violated international sanctions.

02:05:33.000 Finally, a psychotic break, addiction, and the dark art of conspiracy.

02:05:37.000 If you're someone I met along the way and you're thinking, wait, I'm mine, this book, relax, unless you committed a crime or did something genuinely insane, you're probably fine.

02:05:43.000 But I got to pause right there because you're not saying, Lauren, that I'm not in the book.

02:05:48.000 So I imagine I'm probably in there, though she's probably nice to me, I guess.

02:05:51.000 Because we have the jif of her on the show where she's yelling bass and drinking whiskey out of a paper cup. 1.00

02:05:56.000 So I have to imagine she's going to write about there, right?

02:05:59.000 If anything, I'm under the microscope, et cetera, et cetera.

02:06:02.000 Now, what is the news you say?

02:06:05.000 Well, Lauren Southern published this on Substack where I'm not going to read the full thing.

02:06:11.000 She breaks down these chapters are being released where she basically says seven years ago, so this is 2018, she met with Andrew and Tristan Tate, supposedly for a business meeting, but in fact, they were doing what she describes as very illegal crypto scams as to how they were making their money.

02:06:30.000 And then, you know, I want to be careful on how I describe this because I don't know that she uses the word rape, but I'm pretty sure that the very simple portion of this is like the way you describe it is he raped her.

02:06:43.000 So she writes, I'd rather not give a detailed account, so I'll keep it simple.

02:06:46.000 He carried me back to the hotel room and asked me to sleep beside him.

02:06:49.000 I said yes.

02:06:49.000 I was incredibly intoxicated, and some part of me convinced myself that because he was Tommy's friend, he wasn't particularly dangerous.

02:06:56.000 It was a poor decision, but it happened.

02:06:58.000 He kissed me.

02:06:58.000 I wasn't expecting it, and I wasn't looking for it, but I kissed him back briefly and then told him I wanted to sleep.

02:07:03.000 I was extraordinarily tired.

02:07:04.000 He wanted to go further.

02:07:05.000 I said no, very clearly, multiple times, and tried to pull his hands off me.

02:07:09.000 He put his arm around my neck and began strangling me unconscious.

02:07:12.000 I tried to fight back.

02:07:13.000 He repeatedly strangled me every time I regained enough consciousness to pull at his arms.

02:07:18.000 I prefer not to share the rest.

02:07:19.000 It's pretty obvious.

02:07:20.000 I mentioned it before, but I'm once again reminded of how deeply I used to believe in that naive and almost cartoonish version of life.

02:07:26.000 She goes on later saying that he eventually apologized for, quote, making you think bad of me or something like this.

02:07:33.000 But the basic chapter that she released is she has a book coming out.

02:07:37.000 It's for sale now on Amazon, and she's saying that she was raped by Andrew Tate. 0.53

02:07:43.000 Myron, what say you?

02:07:44.000 You want me to go first?

02:07:45.000 Well, I mean, come on.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:47.000 Okay.

02:07:48.000 So here's the thing, man.

02:07:50.000 We're on Rumble, right?

02:07:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:52.000 These bitches be lying, man. 1.00

02:07:54.000 Bro, look, man, besides the fact that she's fucking putting out a book, right? 1.00

02:07:59.000 And that we have all these, you know, accusations coming out against Andrew, so it's like popular. 0.99

02:08:03.000 And what the cool thing to do is to say, he raped me. 0.99

02:08:06.000 Oh, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

02:08:07.000 The reality is this, we got to pick one, right? 0.95

02:08:09.000 It's either women are retards that don't deserve autonomy and they need to be kept by men on regard at all times, or B, they have their autonomy like they do, and then they have to take responsibility for their actions. 1.00

02:08:20.000 She's going ahead and sitting there, I was drunk, blah, blah, blah. 0.97

02:08:23.000 As if he probably wasn't also drinking as well back then.

02:08:26.000 In the story, she writes that he said he was incredibly drunk as well.

02:08:29.000 Okay, so they're both drunk, right?

02:08:30.000 So they both can't consent.

02:08:32.000 Oh, and then like the way she insinuates it is like, oh, yeah, you know what happened next, as if like it was forced or whatever.

02:08:37.000 And then what she's not telling you is I guarantee they probably banged in the morning too.

02:08:40.000 That was consensual, right? 1.00

02:08:42.000 Bro, these hoes are fucking liars every single time. 1.00

02:08:44.000 And the fact that she's pushing out a book while doing this, and she knows that she's going to get a huge reputation, but she's like, my reputation. 1.00

02:08:52.000 She has nothing to lose anymore.

02:08:53.000 So you know what?

02:08:54.000 I'm going to go ahead and do this story. 1.00

02:08:54.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:08:56.000 Andrew Tate is popping right now. 1.00

02:08:57.000 He's very popular.

02:08:58.000 Right back then, he wasn't as popular.

02:09:00.000 But now that, why did she come out with these accusations back then?

02:09:03.000 It's because he was the most Google guy on earth.

02:09:05.000 She didn't make a buck on it.

02:09:06.000 These accusations are out.

02:09:07.000 So it can add a little bit of credence there because people are going to say, oh, well, you know, he has this human trafficking stuff.

02:09:11.000 Even though now we found out that these women got paid a bunch of money to make these accusations. 1.00

02:09:15.000 So, dude, it's a bunch of bullshit, man. 1.00

02:09:17.000 Like, it's women got to pick one. 1.00

02:09:19.000 It's either you're a bunch of retards that don't deserve rights, which I think that's where it should be, or B, you have all the rights and you could do whatever you want, but then you got to deal with the consequence of it. 1.00

02:09:28.000 If he was drunk and you were drunk, this is both of you raped each other, technically. 0.99

02:09:32.000 I have a different binary.

02:09:34.000 I think it's either, you know, these relationships are for marriage between a man and a woman, or you live in a world of chaos that devolves into false accusations, perhaps, debauchery at the very least, and the kind of cultural decay that produces someone like this.

02:09:57.000 I largely agree with the anarchic philosophy, which indeed does overlap with some fascist philosophy that the only power is that which is willing to be enforced or used. 0.97

02:10:12.000 So someone like Andrew Tate, he has respect and fame because of the crypto stuff that he's done and the stuff that he's built that people accuse him for all his untoward shit like he had uh he was doing the the the fucking what you call it only fans shit he had a bunch of he had a bunch of women that he was basically digitally pimping running like a porn industry he was going on these chats and chatting with guys as a chick to get him to get him to jerk off and

02:10:42.000 stuff so they pay him money monthly on a monthly basis and he got paid fat cash for that and there are a bunch of dudes that don't care that's what he did like if you go to a guy there's a bunch of women that don't care what he did and they still want to you know hang out with him but right right i get that but imagine going to guy and being like myron do you want to be rich and successful here's the game plan buddy first you got to lift eat right and then pretend to be a woman on the internet to jerk so guys can jerk off to your weird sexting and they'll pay you money let's go brother and 0.92

02:11:11.000 people are like okay and they sign up for his classes i i think that the binary that you um that you elucidated myron is not exactly accurate i think that lauren is probably not lying but i don't think that that means that one person is necessarily more at fault than the other i think that she can have had a really horrible experience that she wasn't anticipating to have happen um and i also think there's no way you're clawing any of my rights back okay so 0.99

02:11:40.000 here's the thing she went all the way to romania that's a very long flight i'm saying i'm saying like i'm saying she went out partying with him i'm not saying that either of them are not at fault right i'm saying the thing can have happened in a way that was very unpleasant for her that she wasn't expecting that doesn't mean that you know that doesn't mean that she didn't take actions that led directly to this consequence it just means it can have been a very bad experience and she's talking about it now while

02:12:11.000 selling a book sure while selling a book but like people sell books like that's that's what they do that's the problem is like i mean he could sell a book too this is why me too is so is so pernicious because like women will go ahead and do things and then retroactively withdraw consent yeah i've spoken i've spoken out against that a great deal i've spoken out right now me too but i'm saying all i'm saying is she can have had a very bad experience having taken action that led to a specific consequence that 0.76

02:12:40.000 she now regrets that doesn't mean necessarily that it was a rape scenario but it certainly means that you know well she's insinuating that well she's insinuating that it was rough sex for sure i mean she's insinuating it was rape if he strangled her yeah she's insinuating that she yeah raped yeah that she didn't want this what she's probably omitting from here because like women but it sounds like he's like i said no very clearly sometimes no it sounds like she certainly took actions that led directly to this situation that she shouldn't have taken i mean i remember i remember very

02:13:10.000 distinctly distinctly one time i was with a colleague i had picked up some stuff for him at like a you know at like a bucky's or whatever and i was like oh you could just come up to my room and get it and he came up to my room to get it and i noticed very distinctly he stood outside in the hallway and i was like oh i have mad respect for this you're just standing in the hallway i'm getting you my stuff there can be no question here that there was anything untoward intended or anything and i was like that's the way to do that i think i think wait in the hallway and i'll bring you your stuff i think i think women

02:13:40.000 are all right she shouldn't have agreed to share a bed she shouldn't have agreed to share a room that's all for sure about about the guy like standing at the door and you're like i respect that i actually think the majority of women don't i i i i had mad respect for that moment i think most women don't don't respect that really absolutely it gave me more respect for my colleague than i had previously like um yeah but like not as a man you know what i mean no definitely as a man

02:14:10.000 i don't i well maybe for you maybe i can't speak for you he values his family and there was there was absolutely no question as to my point is she's giving she means respect from like a platonic sense of colleagues and professionalism that's fine i totally understand my point is this no respect if on average his okay on on average if a woman was like to a to a another guy who was single not your scenario just in general single guy single woman she goes uh do you want to grab the thing you need it's in my room and then he stood by the door she'd be like

02:14:40.000 this guy's a fucking pussy beta if he was pushing for it like if he was but but actually this is important important clarification beta does not mean weak unsuccessful male it actually means lieutenant strong and successful and it be like because of the ultra alpha chads they were like who wants to be a beta i'm an alpha but in the actual hierarchy alpha are it's it's like someone like elon i know they're like elon's not enough no like he's a billionaire wealthy man who bangs over the fuck he wants and has 50 kids or 0.99

02:15:10.000 whatever his lieutenants high profile individuals in his periphery are called betas and that's the actual social hierarchy but because people were like i am not a beta yeah beta turned into that way right you're thinking um the omega male is the like incel hunched over guy who can't get laid and then the gamma male these are other these are my thing is my only thing is like here's my thing like see how you're like saying like oh well you know it could have been that she had a bad experience whatever and this is what i mean when i say we don't give women like women want equality but then

02:15:40.000 they want to get like preferential treatment when it comes to situations like this she's a whore she made a bad decision and here's the thing and she did all these things that led up to it like she went out of her way romania is not close that's really very far you got to take like three planes to get over there then she went out and hung out with him then she went and drunk with him then she wanted to share the same room with him like at some point like women need to be able to take accountability for poor decisions that they make well here's the thing but we reserve the right to like coddle them and infantilize i think it's fine to say i think it's fine to say that if 0.77

02:16:09.000 she said no and angitate choked her out to bang her we can 1.00

02:16:14.000 criticize andrew tate i do think it's fair to say like lauren she's a friend she's a good she i haven't seen her in a long time but she flew to she flew to romania she met up with with the tates she then returned to hang out with andrew tate alone she then went to a club with him alone she then got drunk with him alone and when i mean alone like her and him together sure he then brought her back to a hotel room where she went in bed with him and they kissed.

02:16:43.000 And it's like all of that stuff led up to, yes, absolutely.

02:16:47.000 These are single decisions.

02:16:48.000 These are all very bad decisions.

02:16:49.000 Lauren has a long history of making terrible decisions when he covers. 0.62

02:16:54.000 So do lots of people, but then all of a sudden he's like, they did all this, and then he strangled her and then graped her.

02:16:58.000 No, she probably said, oh, yeah, I like it when you do that.

02:17:00.000 Like, like, we got to put that in the middle of the morning.

02:17:02.000 Here's something.

02:17:03.000 Two things.

02:17:04.000 I just want to make two quick points.

02:17:06.000 Camille Paglia was a student at Radcliffe, right?

02:17:10.000 In whatever it was, the 60s or the 50s.

02:17:12.000 I don't know when she was there, but she was a student at Radcliffe.

02:17:15.000 And she and her female colleagues, because Radcliffe was a women's college, the sister school, it used to be the sister school of Harvard, and then it got pulled in. 1.00

02:17:23.000 But she was advocating for women to not have a curfew, right? 0.90

02:17:27.000 Because women had a curfew and the male students did not have a curfew. 0.98

02:17:30.000 And when she went to the administration with this, they were like, no, you'll get raped. 0.99

02:17:35.000 And she said, we want the freedom to get raped. 1.00

02:17:38.000 Totally makes sense to me. 0.99

02:17:39.000 You want to make your own decisions.

02:17:41.000 You want to stay out after nine.

02:17:42.000 Something bad could happen to you.

02:17:43.000 That's your problem.

02:17:44.000 You're taking responsibility for that.

02:17:46.000 But there's one other thing that I think all women need to remember.

02:17:49.000 And that's in part because of the whole feminist movement. 1.00

02:17:52.000 What happened was women were told that they should go out into the world as though it was a perfect utopia and they were totally safe and no one was ever going to fuck them over or do anything bad to them, right? 0.98

02:18:02.000 But what all women need are dads who say things like, don't go to a man's hotel room at night. 1.00

02:18:08.000 Don't go drinking alone with a strange guy.

02:18:10.000 Don't go out without your friends.

02:18:12.000 If you're at a bar with your friends, leave with them.

02:18:14.000 Don't go to university where the professors will reverse all of these things and say instead men should rate these are all serious things.

02:18:21.000 Like these are all serious things.

02:18:22.000 Like part of the feminist movement was that you should be able to walk out into the street with your dress flung over your head and no one's going to touch you and nothing bad's going to happen. 1.00

02:18:30.000 And that's bullshit. 0.95

02:18:31.000 And that's part of this whole socialist project where we're supposed to act as though we live in a perfect utopia when in fact there's this crazy thing called reality. 0.99

02:18:38.000 Lauren Southern knew all of that, so she has even less excuse. 1.00

02:18:41.000 I'm saying I believe in her that's dads go to their daughters and they say, don't go to a man's hotel room.

02:18:50.000 Don't walk through dark alleys.

02:18:52.000 Then they send their daughters to college where the professor goes, your father told you that because it's patriarchy.

02:18:56.000 And he says you have to do what he says because he has dominion over you because that's what historical patriarchy was. 0.81

02:19:01.000 It is not your fault if you choose to go into an alley and a man rapes you. 0.83

02:19:05.000 They should have taught that man not to rape. 0.89

02:19:06.000 And then she goes, I'm going to go get drunk and go to a party. 0.99

02:19:10.000 All right, so when you say they need dads who say this, they do have it, but universities are fucking trying to do it. 0.96

02:19:14.000 I went to one of the craziest liberal universities of all time. 0.94

02:19:18.000 And I also ended up thinking for myself.

02:19:22.000 That's wonderful.

02:19:23.000 But this is my issue with a lot, even this kind of modest reaction to feminism from the right, is it always blames the dads. 0.80

02:19:33.000 I'm not blaming the dads.

02:19:34.000 I'm praising my dad.

02:19:35.000 Well, you're right, but it's a problem of an absent father or what some men did in a woman's life or didn't say.

02:19:43.000 And a dad has no power compared to the weight of culture and to the weight of a university professor.

02:19:49.000 I don't think that's true.

02:19:51.000 I mean, I think it's hard to say that you can just expect, oh, you teach your daughter the right thing, say the right thing.

02:19:59.000 Oh, but then go to college, do whatever you want, make your choices, you're free.

02:20:02.000 Well, you don't say that.

02:20:04.000 But that is the essence of when you release them into a culture that is ultimately liberal and permissive to the fullest extent.

02:20:16.000 I do think it was better when we had this crazy thing called shame because shame makes you accountable to yourself.

02:20:23.000 Right.

02:20:23.000 My only point is that shame is connected to law.

02:20:26.000 I think the cornerstone of feminism, though, is to remove the shame. 1.00

02:20:29.000 That was the whole purpose of feminism, was to remove the shame. 1.00

02:20:31.000 I think society was better when women didn't have to have jobs to sustain a family. 1.00

02:20:35.000 I think that's true, too.

02:20:37.000 I think that the push so that we're in a it's one thing to say, you know, I would like to go work outside the home, and that's something I've worked out with my husband and my family.

02:20:46.000 It's a totally different thing to have absolutely no choice.

02:20:49.000 Otherwise, you can't pay your mortgage or put food on the table.

02:20:53.000 Let's go to callers.

02:20:54.000 Let's start with Panda-ish.

02:20:56.000 What is up, Panda?

02:20:58.000 What's up, man?

02:20:59.000 Hello, peeps.

02:21:00.000 How's it going?

02:21:01.000 Hey, it's going.

02:21:02.000 Doing well.

02:21:04.000 I'll just read off my question.

02:21:06.000 So if Elon is able to create a third party, is there a worry that we'll have the same issues as UK and have our politics be similar to theirs?

02:21:15.000 He's not really going to create a third party.

02:21:18.000 Let me add on, because leftists, commies, and socialists will always band together no matter what.

02:21:22.000 But conservatives, Catholics, Republicans, we don't. 0.79

02:21:25.000 I mean, look at the Epstein issue.

02:21:27.000 We will fight within each other about actual issues.

02:21:31.000 And actually, you know, so if there's a third party, we'll basically splitting our votes and socialists, commies, and all that will just always win because they're bandied together.

02:21:43.000 There's no reality where a third party takes enough percentage from either party to be meaningful. 0.99

02:21:47.000 The libertarians are the biggest party, and they can barely muster up shit. 0.91

02:21:52.000 Elon starting a new party is going to, it's going to get like 73,000 votes, maybe, and people are going to be like, wow, 0.0037. 0.97

02:22:00.000 Yeah, I don't, I don't, it's my sense that the, the America Party or whatever is probably not even going to form.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, I think it's totally bogus.

02:22:10.000 I think it's Bluster.

02:22:12.000 And I don't see there being.

02:22:15.000 Andrew Schultz will be in it.

02:22:16.000 He maybe will be.

02:22:18.000 Well, Mark Cuban, the Krasensteins, Scaramucci, they've all offered up support.

02:22:24.000 I mean, it'll just be Democrats.

02:22:26.000 It'll be Democrats that don't like woke, I think.

02:22:29.000 Yep.

02:22:30.000 You know?

02:22:31.000 So.

02:22:35.000 Okay.

02:22:36.000 Interesting.

02:22:37.000 But yeah, go ahead.

02:22:41.000 Can I add another thing done?

02:22:44.000 It's about upstream real quick.

02:22:46.000 I know Tim you kept on saying about Dan Belgino and like if he has threatened all that stuff.

02:22:51.000 But the three main people that were actually in charge of all this is Cash Patel, Dan Belgina, and Pam Bondi.

02:23:00.000 If you actually look at it, who's the weakest link out of the three?

02:23:02.000 It would be Pam Bondi.

02:23:04.000 And most likely, she would be the easiest one to threaten out of the three to not do stuff correctly.

02:23:09.000 And she's the one in charge of it all, anyways.

02:23:11.000 Yep.

02:23:12.000 And she actually had access to this in Florida.

02:23:15.000 So, really, when you're spouting all that stuff about Bongino last week, it should have been most likely about Pam Bondi because she's had more years to deal with actual evidence of all this.

02:23:28.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 Okay.

02:23:32.000 Yeah.

02:23:33.000 I mean, agreed.

02:23:34.000 Like, you kind of go ahead.

02:23:37.000 Well, I think it's like a Harvey Dutt situation.

02:23:40.000 Let's say she had 99.9% of her stuff all correct.

02:23:44.000 Like anything she sent to court.

02:23:48.000 But they have like a 0.1% of something on her that that's why she's willing to disguise some of the evidence or whatever of this Epstein stuff.

02:23:59.000 So that's why even Trump's not getting the correct information about what's actually there.

02:24:04.000 I don't imagine that the president doesn't have access or can't get access to the information.

02:24:10.000 Well, that comes back to Tulsi Gabbard while I was saying she's going to have everything for real from the IC as far as Epstein goes.

02:24:15.000 It's not like President Trump has a computer and he logs on to the government system and control F's for Epstein.

02:24:25.000 He's beholden to his staff and the reports they give.

02:24:30.000 He likes his info in a certain way too.

02:24:32.000 He doesn't like to sit there in meetings forever.

02:24:33.000 He don't bullet points.

02:24:36.000 He does his presidency a lot different than other presidents.

02:24:39.000 I mean, Tucker's burned.

02:24:42.000 And Tucker and Trump were friends.

02:24:44.000 Like they talked to each other on the phone.

02:24:46.000 Tucker is going to like he's who's he having Daryl Cooper on now to talk about Epstein?

02:24:50.000 He's not letting this go.

02:24:51.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene is pissed. 1.00

02:24:53.000 I have no idea why the fuck Trump decided to nuke himself this miserable. 1.00

02:24:56.000 Bannon is pissed off about it too. 1.00

02:24:57.000 He talked about it quite a bit.

02:24:59.000 And Bannon's a loyalist.

02:25:01.000 Yep.

02:25:01.000 Anyway, I think I didn't realize it was as integral to people's administration grossly underestimated.

02:25:10.000 Do you want to shout anything out, Pandish?

02:25:14.000 Yeah, I was a former ATOL analyst.

02:25:16.000 I'd like to say that Myron and the other guy's name.

02:25:19.000 But yeah, I believe you guys are correct about a lot of the DNI stuff.

02:25:22.000 I mean, I dealt with a lot of that stuff myself on my end.

02:25:27.000 But besides that, no, you guys have a good night.

02:25:29.000 Joined a discussion.

02:25:30.000 Are you still on the job or no?

02:25:32.000 No, I'd love to be an analyst again, but there was a lot of things I had to deal with back in the day that made me just quit Intel in general.

02:25:43.000 I mean, I used to work for SOCOM and all that.

02:25:46.000 All right.

02:25:46.000 Well, I'm glad another Intel professional kind of sees where I'm coming from with that because people thought I was crazy when I said this.

02:25:51.000 And I was like, no, dude, it's like the FBI just, they're not going to have everything.

02:25:54.000 It's got to be this is an IC problem.

02:25:58.000 I mean, like I said, I've dealt with a lot of different levels of IC.

02:25:58.000 Yeah.

02:26:02.000 I mean, shit, I even dealt with Iraq back in the day and all that stuff. 1.00

02:26:05.000 So and the reasons why we actually went in there. 0.99

02:26:09.000 So, I mean, yeah.

02:26:11.000 I mean, I'm looking to hire, I'd love to, I'd love to join, but right on, man.

02:26:16.000 But you guys have a good night.

02:26:17.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:26:18.000 How are we doing, bud?

02:26:19.000 Yeah.

02:26:20.000 I want to play this clip.

02:26:22.000 Sam Hyde apparently destroyed Harlan Wills and nature guys, Sam.

02:26:25.000 Do you like nature?

02:26:27.000 No, not really.

02:26:28.000 What about you?

02:26:30.000 I'd love to throw a nature thing by you.

02:26:32.000 What's that?

02:26:34.000 Well, I don't know if you know this or not, but gorillas and orangutans. 0.61

02:26:39.000 Do you like nature at all or no?

02:26:41.000 No.

02:26:41.000 But is it okay if I talk to you about it?

02:26:44.000 Of course, yeah.

02:26:46.000 Every night, guys.

02:26:47.000 You got to get an answer that you like.

02:26:49.000 I think I will.

02:26:50.000 I'm not a big nature guy.

02:26:51.000 I like bonobos.

02:26:53.000 You like what?

02:26:53.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 Bonobos.

02:26:55.000 I like great apes.

02:26:56.000 Yeah.

02:26:57.000 You like a bonobo?

02:26:59.000 Yeah, monkeys.

02:26:59.000 I don't like nature.

02:27:00.000 Okay, but maybe what if I sued you?

02:27:03.000 It will hit me with what you got.

02:27:05.000 Okay.

02:27:05.000 Gorillas and orangutans make nests every night.

02:27:11.000 Like every night they get twigs and they make a nest up in a tree.

02:27:15.000 That sounds disgusting.

02:27:16.000 I know. 0.99

02:27:17.000 But I would love to see you make a gorilla nest. 1.00

02:27:21.000 Right here?

02:27:21.000 Doesn't sound like that.

02:27:24.000 Amber, bring in the gorilla twigs, please.

02:27:27.000 Oh, no, no.

02:27:28.000 We're going to bring in gorilla twigs.

02:27:30.000 I got you.

02:27:30.000 Here we go.

02:27:31.000 Oh, no!

02:27:32.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! 0.96

02:27:38.000 There we go.

02:27:39.000 A gorilla nest coming in.

02:27:39.000 Oh no.

02:27:43.000 Is there a gorilla in this room or what?

02:27:45.000 Oh, man.

02:27:48.000 We lost.

02:27:48.000 Here we go.

02:27:50.000 We lost power.

02:27:51.000 Here, get in the gorilla nest. 0.98

02:27:53.000 Wait, bring in the gorilla twig. 0.75

02:27:54.000 Up in the gorilla nest.

02:27:55.000 I don't know if we have them.

02:27:56.000 Let's get you in there. 0.99

02:27:57.000 Let me get up in there.

02:27:58.000 Let's get you in there, buddy.

02:27:59.000 Let's get you in there. 0.99

02:28:00.000 There we go, buddy.

02:28:06.000 Here we go.

02:28:07.000 Gorilla twig, a big monkey.

02:28:09.000 Are we dancing?

02:28:10.000 We're a big monkey.

02:28:11.000 Everyone's trying to claim that Sam Hyde crashed out, that he destroyed the set.

02:28:17.000 It's clearly they're doing a bit.

02:28:19.000 Well, the camera's still on.

02:28:21.000 They didn't lose power.

02:28:22.000 And they're both laughing and having fun.

02:28:22.000 Right.

02:28:24.000 That sounds stupid. 0.99

02:28:25.000 Let's jump to the next caller here. 1.00

02:28:27.000 We got, what is it?

02:28:29.000 Parent?

02:28:30.000 How do you say that?

02:28:31.000 Portential?

02:28:31.000 It's funny.

02:28:32.000 Portential.

02:28:33.000 What is that?

02:28:34.000 Potential.

02:28:35.000 Hey, potential here.

02:28:36.000 I'm a 1990s Union Democrat and dungeon master.

02:28:39.000 My question for the panel.

02:28:41.000 Realistically, what are the logical assumptions behind Trump not releasing the Epstein files?

02:28:47.000 Nothing emotional.

02:28:48.000 Pure Q bono.

02:28:50.000 No benefits.

02:28:52.000 So the challenge is, let's say that Trump's using the blackmail.

02:28:59.000 Okay, this is not how you handle it.

02:29:01.000 You use the blackmail.

02:29:03.000 You go to the Congress, say, get my agenda passed, or I drop the Epstein files.

02:29:06.000 Then when you're like, okay, we're going to wrap this up, you literally just say, Pam, the next time you guys do press, cash down, or otherwise, the answer is going to be, we've stumbled upon something in the files that's going to require some investigation.

02:29:22.000 And I know a lot of people want this now.

02:29:25.000 But if we compromise information pertending to the investigation, the bad guys could get away.

02:29:31.000 And I think that'd be worse.

02:29:32.000 And everyone would be a lot angrier.

02:29:35.000 that was the answer.

02:29:36.000 If it's that powerful people came to him and pointed a gun at his head or whatever, and they said, That's it, you're not releasing this, then same answer, I guess.

02:29:46.000 Like, literally, all Trump has to do is have Cashian Net have said that in any circumstance.

02:29:51.000 So, I can't find any logical reason as to why they're covering it up.

02:29:57.000 What I can say is, for whatever reason they are, they are miserably bad at covering it up.

02:30:03.000 Miserably bad, because they're not.

02:30:06.000 So, then if you want to believe they're competent and he's playing 5D chess, this is to distract the public off of the issue of immigration, which he's been sinking on and needs to improve on.

02:30:18.000 I have a slightly different take.

02:30:21.000 It's changed recently due to Speaker Johnson, unfortunately.

02:30:25.000 Dem, the Democratic.

02:30:26.000 He'll talk with Benny today, actually.

02:30:28.000 Speaker Johnson, talk with Benny today.

02:30:30.000 Yep.

02:30:33.000 Yeah, I'm just going like this.

02:30:35.000 Dem base that don't like Israel.

02:30:37.000 Minority don't like the Jews as a group.

02:30:38.000 Call it what the Dems are.

02:30:40.000 They're now pushing to release the EP steam.

02:30:42.000 I was figuring just probably to hurt Israel, just to satiate the base. 0.96

02:30:45.000 But then Johnson started pushing it.

02:30:47.000 So now I don't know what's going on.

02:30:52.000 Yep.

02:30:52.000 I mean, I feel like the reason I can't answer, I didn't chime in on your first question is because I don't like you're like when you said, you know, who stands to benefit or whatever, I don't know what they have or don't have.

02:31:06.000 And without that information, I couldn't really even say who stands to benefit, you know?

02:31:14.000 So, I mean, we can speculate or I could speculate and stuff.

02:31:18.000 And that's what we've been doing most of the night, but I couldn't actually say, oh, this is definitely the, or this is what, you know, who, who actually makes out in the situation.

02:31:27.000 So it's the best I can come up with. 0.66

02:31:31.000 I would say Johnson's a little bit of a swamp monster. 0.67

02:31:33.000 I could see whatever's going on. 0.81

02:31:35.000 If they release it, it could hurt Trump.

02:31:37.000 Who knows?

02:31:38.000 Maybe he made the order for Epstein to go bye-bye.

02:31:41.000 I don't think any of that is.

02:31:43.000 I mean, to be honest, I think Trump just doesn't really care about it very much.

02:31:46.000 I think he misjudged how much the base does care about it.

02:31:49.000 I think that the GOP in the House cares about it because they're pretty MAGA, and it's definitely a MAGA accountability issue.

02:31:59.000 Another reason that I think the base is upset about it is not just because of the files themselves, but because it was a promise, and now it's a promise broken.

02:32:08.000 That's something Julie Kelly was talking about that I agreed with.

02:32:11.000 I don't really care that much about Epstein, but I do care about broken promises because do what you say you're going to do or else just don't say you're going to do stuff. 0.86

02:32:21.000 So I think that's ridiculous.

02:32:23.000 And it makes it worse that all the people that are responsible have video clips of them saying they're going to declassify it.

02:32:28.000 Exactly.

02:32:28.000 They've all been saying it forever.

02:32:31.000 So, you know, I question perhaps that there is much left to release.

02:32:36.000 A lot has been released over the years.

02:32:37.000 You guys were talking about that.

02:32:38.000 A lot of this Florida stuff has been released.

02:32:41.000 But I think in terms of will it hurt Trump or will it not hurt Trump, I think he just, I think he thought we were past this and we're not.

02:32:52.000 Interesting.

02:32:52.000 So apparently that vote earlier where they blocked the Epstein release was not, Axios was lying.

02:33:01.000 God, I fucking hate the media. 0.94

02:33:02.000 It was a procedural vote to give the Democrats the floor, not the Epstein, so that they could bring the Epstein thing. 0.99

02:33:08.000 Oh.

02:33:08.000 They weren't actually voting on Epstein.

02:33:10.000 Unreal.

02:33:11.000 That's what they were saying when it would have derailed the agenda for the day.

02:33:14.000 They would have lost fidelity on what.

02:33:17.000 So Axios put a false headline up instead of saying Democrats lose vote to take the floor for legislative purposes.

02:33:24.000 Yep.

02:33:25.000 Well, and they had to pass these spending cuts today.

02:33:27.000 Which is why I thought the story was weird from the get-go because when we were doing preliminary research, I was like, Rep Khanna told me he was going to redraft this to factor in the concerns that I had.

02:33:36.000 Why would they just do this?

02:33:38.000 Oh, they didn't. 1.00

02:33:39.000 Fucking scumbags. 1.00

02:33:43.000 You got anything else to add? 1.00

02:33:47.000 No, that's really about it.

02:33:48.000 There's no real good answers for it, but I won't be voting for Republicans, at least from a national level, if they don't get this stuff sussed out.

02:33:56.000 I just, yeah, kiddie diddling.

02:33:59.000 I, no.

02:34:00.000 Are you going to go to Democrat level?

02:34:02.000 Yeah, but enjoy supporting AOC.

02:34:05.000 I won't vote at all for Republicans from a national level, but from my state level, I will.

02:34:09.000 That's, I think a lot of people.

02:34:11.000 Trump's going to.

02:34:12.000 He's willing to go to jail for seven centuries and get Nixon impeached for this.

02:34:16.000 Something ain't right.

02:34:17.000 He needs to fix it.

02:34:18.000 Right on, man.

02:34:20.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:34:21.000 Only other thing, could we get an RPG section for Discord?

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:26.000 I don't know who's running.

02:34:28.000 Someone will make it.

02:34:30.000 Maybe we'll get Andy to do it.

02:34:31.000 He loves Final Fantasy.

02:34:32.000 He plays a private server on Final Fantasy.

02:34:33.000 What is it?

02:34:34.000 Yeah.

02:34:34.000 And if you're a good DM, I mean, good DM is the hardest thing to find when it comes to D ⁇ D. It's easy to find people that want to go and be the adventurers.

02:34:34.000 The 11?

02:34:44.000 Someone that can actually tell a story and run a campaign is really hard to find.

02:34:48.000 Well, thanks for calling in, brother.

02:34:51.000 Thanks.

02:34:52.000 Cheers, man.

02:34:52.000 Right on.

02:34:54.000 Hudson the Beard says, no, hey, just curious, what is Tim doing on his phone every time a caller calls in?

02:34:58.000 Everybody in the chat?

02:34:59.000 If you're talking about today, it was I was looking up the procedural vote that came through on the Doge thing to figure out more information on it as people are talking.

02:35:09.000 And also was looking into why Democrats, what was the deal with the vote.

02:35:14.000 And then I looked up the text that said they weren't actually voting on Epstein.

02:35:18.000 They were voting on a procedural issue to give Democrats the floor for their legislative agenda.

02:35:24.000 And they said no to that.

02:35:25.000 And then Democrats went, you keep looking at King.

02:35:29.000 Anyway, let's grab the next caller.

02:35:31.000 It is Tiny Tree Hands.

02:35:32.000 You are here.

02:35:33.000 What's up, Tiny?

02:35:37.000 Hey, how you guys doing tonight?

02:35:38.000 What's up, man?

02:35:42.000 So my question is, how do we continue to move into MAGA without Trump as the figurehead?

02:35:53.000 Regardless of whatever involvement he may or may not have, the way that he's Played this has shown that I believe it has affected the base to the point where maybe we need to start considering how we continue this movement forward without him as the leader.

02:36:13.000 Do you guys have any suggestions?

02:36:15.000 I think it's fairly reasonable to conclude the movement will shatter, as they always do.

02:36:23.000 That's a reality. 0.90

02:36:24.000 And the idea that there was going to be a permanent MAGA movement, I think, is silly.

02:36:27.000 Yeah, I think the reason why some of this stuff is happening is because I don't think he...

02:36:33.000 He's not going to get...

02:36:38.000 I don't think they care about the base like that because he doesn't need to get rally up voters again.

02:36:42.000 So it's more about creating a legacy, getting done what he wants to get done, like to pass the big, beautiful bill, ending wars, trying to get the Nobel Peace Prize.

02:36:49.000 So I think for him, now it's about more legacy versus trying to get re-elected again.

02:36:53.000 So that's kind of what it is.

02:36:54.000 So he's going to do what is needed for the legacy versus prioritizing the base because at the end of the day, this is the last term.

02:37:02.000 He was always MAGA.

02:37:04.000 That's why there was never another candidate for the Republicans other than Trump.

02:37:08.000 I think J.D. Vance will try to use it to get himself elected, but once he gets in, he's not going to.

02:37:14.000 Yeah, I think you have to understand what made if Trump would have spoken at that South Carolina debate in 2016 and said, hey, we're going to redouble our efforts in Afghanistan, everyone, 100,000 more troops, just $20 billion more dollars, and we're going to give a bunch of corporate tax cuts, which they did.

02:37:34.000 He would have had no constituency.

02:37:36.000 It is about the ideas and the message.

02:37:41.000 Yeah, but I think it is an open question of what comes after him.

02:37:45.000 But I think a lot of people in D.C. want it to be this reversion to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, you know, kind of let's get back to normal now.

02:37:55.000 I think that's gone.

02:37:56.000 I think that'll never happen again.

02:37:58.000 I said this in 2019, 2018.

02:38:04.000 The factions shift every so often.

02:38:07.000 I wouldn't be surprised if how the left loved me during Occupy and then abandoned me.

02:38:11.000 The right does the same thing at some point.

02:38:13.000 But I think that means a lot for all of you guys who watch the show.

02:38:18.000 And we're seeing a lot of this potentially with the Epstein stuff, where I think for the most part, as I did that poll, right?

02:38:23.000 Majority of people who watch this show are going to be on the side of we want the Epstein files released.

02:38:28.000 Trump shouldn't cover it up.

02:38:29.000 And then you can see like, you know, 24% voted Democrats were, it was a Democrat hoax.

02:38:34.000 Charlie Kirk knows who butters his bread.

02:38:37.000 So he says, I talked to Trump.

02:38:38.000 He says, let it lie.

02:38:39.000 And I'm going to trust my friends in government because he's got a more conservative die-hard base that wants to win on Trump's agenda regardless of the Epstein stuff.

02:38:47.000 Charlie Kirk's in a weird space right now.

02:38:50.000 Right.

02:38:50.000 Especially with his ties to the administration.

02:38:53.000 Ties to him, Benny Johnson, these guys that were super, you know, I would say critical to getting him elected.

02:38:58.000 I mean, TPUSA basically ran all of Trump's ground game for him.

02:39:02.000 So now that he's in, Charlie's got to deal with all the negative stuff that comes with the administration.

02:39:08.000 And I don't know if you noticed it.

02:39:09.000 Do you watch him debate over in England?

02:39:11.000 Which one?

02:39:12.000 Charlie, when he debated at Oxford.

02:39:14.000 So when he debated at Oxford, half the time he was there, he got put in really bad spots debating these college students because of bad foreign policy by Trump.

02:39:22.000 And he couldn't absolve himself of it because he's a Trump loyalist. 0.92

02:39:26.000 So he had to take a lot of losing positions or indefensible positions debating these fucking college kids because he can't have his own real take on it because he's kind of a mouthpiece for the administration. 0.94

02:39:38.000 And then on top of that, there's a lot of issues with our support of Israel and everything else like that. 0.89

02:39:44.000 And he's got to deal with more and more people coming in, asking about Israel as a TP, USA event.

02:39:48.000 A couple of people got like arrested for it and got kicked out.

02:39:51.000 But he's in a very weird place because he helped Trump get elected.

02:39:54.000 So now he has to be with the agenda.

02:39:56.000 But at the same time, every time they do something bad, he's got to eat it as well.

02:39:59.000 But there are a lot of prominent Trump supporters that are like, well, we don't, you know, Trump says it.

02:40:04.000 I'm going to trust him on this one.

02:40:06.000 And this is leading to a potential bifurcation.

02:40:08.000 Which is like one of the biggest ones for sure.

02:40:10.000 You can look at the anti-war protests during the Bush years.

02:40:12.000 When Obama got elected, the anti-war element fractured.

02:40:16.000 And all of a sudden, you saw the rise of the, I shouldn't say when Obama got elected, but around the time the campaign was happening, we saw the Ron Paul Love Revolution.

02:40:26.000 And a lot of the anti-war individuals that were anti-Bush and relatively Democrat started becoming more libertarian and getting on board with that.

02:40:32.000 And then after Obama got elected, a lot of these liberal types shifted towards the Ron Paul. 0.82

02:40:38.000 Like after Obama got in, they were like, okay, that's fucked that. 0.97

02:40:40.000 That's it. 0.71

02:40:41.000 And then we saw for the next several years, 2011, the libertarian values were skyrocketing on the internet.

02:40:49.000 Yeah.

02:40:50.000 And then wokeness took over.

02:40:52.000 Yeah, these kind of things.

02:40:54.000 Wokeness ended up taking over.

02:40:56.000 And so then wokeness drove out a large portion of the moderate liberals to Trump.

02:41:02.000 Now the Epstein thing is fracturing, but I don't know if it breaks.

02:41:05.000 If the Democrats start to do a reformation where they oust a bunch of incumbents, and in order for the Democrats to survive, they would need politicians that I think are where I am, where I or Libby are politically.

02:41:20.000 Okay.

02:41:21.000 Where would you put yourself on a spectrum, Tim?

02:41:23.000 So the political compass test puts me at like centrist, like moderate, left-leaning liberal.

02:41:29.000 Okay.

02:41:29.000 So it's probably a little bit to the right now, but it's like right there in the middle.

02:41:34.000 Libby, also a former liberal.

02:41:37.000 If the Democrats actually started electing people like us, then the Democratic Party would actually stand a chance against us.

02:41:44.000 And let me ask you this because I've always talked about this.

02:41:46.000 Do you think, since you came from that side, do you think that your views change that much?

02:41:50.000 Or is it that the left has just gone so far? 0.95

02:41:51.000 The left's insane. 0.85

02:41:52.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.96

02:41:52.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.96

02:41:53.000 The window has shifted so much where people that were considered potentially Democrats maybe 10 years ago now are considered like alt-right considerations.

02:42:01.000 Watch 30 Rock.

02:42:02.000 Yeah, that's what happened.

02:42:03.000 Watch 30 Rock.

02:42:04.000 I saw someone tweeted this today.

02:42:04.000 There's a really great example.

02:42:06.000 They said, nothing proves the shift better than 30 Rock.

02:42:09.000 30 Rock was New York liberals making jokes.

02:42:12.000 And if you watch it today, you're going to laugh at it.

02:42:15.000 It's far right.

02:42:16.000 Okay.

02:42:16.000 Liz Lemon literally is talking to, who's talking?

02:42:19.000 I don't know if it's Jack Donnegan, but she's like, I told my friends I voted for Obama, but I secretly voted for McCain.

02:42:23.000 Like, that's a hell-worthy trespass to liberals right now. 1.00

02:42:27.000 If you went to a liberal and you were like, I claimed I voted for Biden, but I actually voted Trump, they'd be like, fucking white supremacist McCain. 0.99

02:42:33.000 There was this crazy article. 0.99

02:42:34.000 I think it was either in the Times or the Washington Post the other day.

02:42:37.000 And it was like, this guy was like, should we stop, should we stop ostracizing our relatives who disagree with us politically?

02:42:45.000 And then he goes on this whole thing about how he hated his brother-in-law, his like little brother-in-law, his wife's younger brother, until who was like, you know, didn't go to college and he was in trades and he was, in fact, totally chill.

02:42:58.000 And then the author of the column was like, then I started surfing and he was the only surfer I knew.

02:43:04.000 So then I started hanging out with him more and it turns out he was really great. 0.98

02:43:07.000 And what the guy is missing is like, this surfer brother-in-law dude was willing to hang out with you even though you treated him like an asshole for years. 0.99

02:43:16.000 Like, who is the better man? 1.00

02:43:17.000 This guy is a much better man than you.

02:43:19.000 But this column was so sort of offensive.

02:43:21.000 Like, is it time that we stop ostracizing our relatives?

02:43:26.000 You said 33.

02:43:27.000 30 Rock.

02:43:28.000 It's a show.

02:43:29.000 So 30 Rock was a sitcom where the premise was effectively behind the scenes of SNL.

02:43:36.000 Okay.

02:43:37.000 And watch that.

02:43:39.000 One of the biggest arcs of the series is that Liz Lemon wants to be a she wants to have it all.

02:43:47.000 She wants to be the girl boss and have a family, and she can't. 1.00

02:43:51.000 And she struggles with it.

02:43:52.000 And someone pointed out there's a really funny scene where, what's her, Carrie Fisher?

02:43:57.000 Was that her name?

02:43:58.000 Princess Leia?

02:43:59.000 Carrie Fisher.

02:44:00.000 She plays a character on the show who was like a feminist icon that Liz looked up to. 1.00

02:44:06.000 And then when she meets her, she's like, you're a late 50s, early 60s has-been with no family, and you're fucking nuts. 0.99

02:44:14.000 And one of the scenes is she's like, Carrie Fisher is this crazy liberal feminist. 1.00

02:44:19.000 They're walking down the street and she goes, oh my God, that man is a gun. 0.96

02:44:22.000 And then Liz is like, don't worry, it's a street gang. 0.98

02:44:23.000 And she goes, oh, okay.

02:44:26.000 Like, that was humor to the average person on NBC and SNL back then.

02:44:31.000 That's far right now.

02:44:33.000 They were making fun of the far left.

02:44:35.000 Not anymore. 1.00

02:44:35.000 You can't fucking do that shit. 1.00

02:44:37.000 What political test? 1.00

02:44:38.000 Oh, the Black Hitler? 1.00

02:44:39.000 Fuck me, dude. 1.00

02:44:40.000 What was the political test that you did just out of here? 1.00

02:44:41.000 Oh, the political compass test?

02:44:42.000 Political comments?

02:44:43.000 Okay.

02:44:44.000 I'll take that.

02:44:45.000 I'm trying to see if that's the one I took.

02:44:47.000 Dude, 30 Rock was so good.

02:44:50.000 It was a very funny show.

02:44:51.000 I got to unmute this.

02:44:52.000 Here you go. 0.68

02:44:54.000 Yes, I have a reservation on the Black Hitler. 0.98

02:44:57.000 That was just a cutaway gag they did. 0.99

02:44:59.000 Wait, are you guys talking about me?

02:45:01.000 Yes, I have a reservation on the Black Hitler. 1.00

02:45:05.000 Dude, 30 Rock used to do crazy shit, man. 0.99

02:45:09.000 The world was better when you can make jokes. 1.00

02:45:11.000 Yup.

02:45:12.000 All right.

02:45:12.000 That's true.

02:45:13.000 Sir, did you want to add anything to that?

02:45:16.000 Shout anything out?

02:45:18.000 You know, just kind of to tie it back into the question, I guess I maybe should have been a little bit more specific.

02:45:25.000 You know, I view this as an existential threat.

02:45:30.000 I believe that if we don't prevail, whatever MAGA is, it's not Trump, but whatever MAGA is, if this doesn't prevail, then the alternative is communism.

02:45:39.000 And maybe it's already a foregone conclusion at this point, but I just, I appreciate your guys' takes on it.

02:45:45.000 I just think that if we have to figure something out, I don't know that laying down and taking it's going to be the acceptable way forward.

02:45:53.000 I don't think go ahead.

02:45:55.000 All right.

02:45:55.000 No, thanks for calling.

02:45:56.000 Did you want to share anything out?

02:45:58.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, man.

02:45:59.000 I didn't mean to cut you off.

02:46:01.000 I just wanted to tie it up there.

02:46:02.000 So, no, I appreciate it, guys.

02:46:04.000 Thank you for the conversation, man.

02:46:06.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:46:07.000 I don't think anybody wants to lay down and take it.

02:46:09.000 I think the issue is the right is largely comprised of an alliance against the woke psychotic communism. 0.50

02:46:15.000 But if Donald Trump is like, hey, we're going to cover up the pedo thing, then a large portion of that alliance are going to be like, we can't align with you.

02:46:23.000 We will not stand with you in this fight. 1.00

02:46:25.000 And so if Trump's agenda is going to win, he's got to fucking publish this shit. 1.00

02:46:31.000 What do you think is left? 1.00

02:46:32.000 On the Epstein lists and all the information? 0.99

02:46:34.000 We know who the fuck he was working with. 0.97

02:46:36.000 The feds went after Cernovich posted this years ago. 0.99

02:46:39.000 His butler was trying to sell the information, so they arrested him.

02:46:42.000 I think the issue is that Trump is wielding the one ring.

02:46:44.000 I think what is most likely is he's like, we can't do this.

02:46:48.000 It's going to be damaging to the U.S. It's going to be damaging to innocent people, but largely, you know, we can use it.

02:46:54.000 Like, like why he didn't.

02:46:55.000 No.

02:46:55.000 Yeah, like why he didn't release the JFK files in his first term.

02:46:58.000 Yep.

02:47:00.000 So we'll see.

02:47:01.000 All right, we got one more caller.

02:47:03.000 We got TJ Rainman.

02:47:04.000 What is up?

02:47:05.000 What's up, TJ?

02:47:06.000 Yo, what's happening?

02:47:07.000 We chilling.

02:47:09.000 So first off, Tim, I want to say that over the past couple weeks, you read a couple of my Discord chats just out of the blue.

02:47:16.000 I want to say thank you for letting me be a part of the conversation on those nights.

02:47:19.000 Right on.

02:47:21.000 But into the question.

02:47:24.000 In the Sean Ryan, Gavin Newsom interview, we see Joe Rogan demanding that Newsom take accountability for his actions during COVID.

02:47:32.000 It appears that anytime a Democrat is called out, they'll deflect and get defensive.

02:47:36.000 We also saw the same behavior when Dave Smith absolutely destroyed Andrew Cuomo over COVID.

02:47:42.000 Do you believe that Democrats would regain any sort of relevancy by being honest and taking accountability?

02:47:49.000 Or do they not have the intellectual ability to do so?

02:47:52.000 And if accountability wouldn't help them, is there anything that could?

02:47:57.000 It's a chicken with his head cut off.

02:47:58.000 They have no, like, Newsome is a plastic personality.

02:48:02.000 I don't think he's going to be able to recover this.

02:48:05.000 The only option the Democrats have, I don't think any one of their personalities are going to be able to recover.

02:48:09.000 Chicken is better.

02:48:10.000 He's a chicken.

02:48:11.000 Whatever he needs to say.

02:48:13.000 They're not going to be able to recover with any of their personalities. 1.00

02:48:15.000 What needs to happen is they need to recruit new moderate personalities to come in, people who are in that Rogan space, that kind of like Rogan-esque mentality, to immediately say, yo, fuck you, dude. 1.00

02:48:26.000 You lied and everyone knew it. 1.00

02:48:28.000 We're going to come in and we're going to fix this shit. 1.00

02:48:30.000 And then the Democrats would start winning again. 1.00

02:48:32.000 And yeah, and they would need, the other thing too, is they've lost the men. 0.94

02:48:35.000 They need to actually like do a real effort to bring back the men and bring in having like fucking, we're uncensored, right? 0.95

02:48:41.000 We're uncensored. 1.00

02:48:42.000 Having faggots like fucking Dean Withers and Harry Sisson and Don Lemon, these fucking fruit loops are not going to bring you back. 1.00

02:48:42.000 Okay. 1.00

02:48:48.000 You're going to need guys that have some semblance of masculinity, but are at the same time, honestly, they're going to have to pull people from the libertarian crowd if they really want to revitalize the Democrat Party that are respected because they've lost the fucking men. 0.96

02:49:01.000 They keep saying they need their version of Joe Rogan. 0.95

02:49:05.000 No, they need Joe Rogan back.

02:49:08.000 And they have to actually moderate their party. 1.00

02:49:11.000 The problem is the left is a bunch of psycho-retards. 1.00

02:49:14.000 And not only that, so here's another thing, too. 0.99

02:49:17.000 That this is an ugly truth, but I'm going to say it. 1.00

02:49:20.000 The political commentators on the left are all faggots. 1.00

02:49:22.000 Hassan paints his fingernails. 1.00

02:49:24.000 Kyle Kalinsky fucking has blonde hair. 1.00

02:49:27.000 Dean Withers is a bitch. 1.00

02:49:29.000 He literally has an anxiety pin. 1.00

02:49:31.000 Harry Sizzen is a, I don't, like, he has some like a vape thing that he does when he has anxiety. 1.00

02:49:36.000 I don't fucking a bunch of faggotry. 1.00

02:49:38.000 And then you got Harry Sisson, who's like a pussy. 1.00

02:49:41.000 So they need a facelift where you're getting guys in that like are actual dudes that will say women are stupid. 1.00

02:49:47.000 And I know that goes completely antithetical to like the Democrat Party, but that's how you're going to bring the men back in. 0.98

02:49:53.000 You need guys that like have a lot of people.

02:49:55.000 Listen, listen.

02:49:56.000 The Democratic Party has 70% of millennial women. 0.99

02:50:01.000 They're not going to.

02:50:03.000 I do think colors.

02:50:04.000 I'm not saying they have to say it, but they need to be able to say it even in a joking manner because that's how you're going to bring the men back.

02:50:09.000 Because clearly they're not going to win with just a woman vote. 1.00

02:50:12.000 You're going to need to bring the men back to some degree.

02:50:14.000 And they've lost the men.

02:50:16.000 They've lost the men completely. 1.00

02:50:17.000 But the problem is liberal women are fucking retarded. 1.00

02:50:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:50:22.000 They're fucking nuts. 1.00

02:50:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:50:23.000 But what the left doesn't care about is Gavin Newsom apologizing for COVID. 1.00

02:50:28.000 I think the demand for accountability is kind of a loser mentality.

02:50:34.000 What we should be seeking is justice.

02:50:38.000 But who cares if he seeks an apology?

02:50:45.000 I think we're more likely to see a Mamdani or an AOC leader of the left who is, I don't know if they'll win a national election, but I think that's where the party is going.

02:50:56.000 I think there's zero chance that someone like Seth Molton.

02:51:00.000 Seth Moulton is out.

02:51:01.000 No one, no, they're not listening to him at all.

02:51:03.000 Well, right, right.

02:51:04.000 A moderate who's not a psychopath.

02:51:04.000 But that's what I'm saying.

02:51:06.000 No, but they have no interest in that.

02:51:08.000 In fact, I mean, you have Hakeem Jeffries talking about how he's planning to meet with Mom Donnie and speak to him about his use of the phrase globalize the Antifada.

02:51:19.000 And you just had a situation where Mom Donnie met with a bunch of business leaders in New York to assure them that he would discourage the use of the phrase globalize the Antifada without discouraging the idea behind it. 0.99

02:51:33.000 I think I'm going to go back to my own political party, the fuck everybody party. 0.99

02:51:36.000 Republicans won't do the Epstein shit, and they're going to start covering for him. 0.99

02:51:41.000 At the very least, I can say the Republicans are willing to have those conversations, and they're not going to be belligerent and smash things. 1.00

02:51:47.000 Liberals are a bunch of fucking retards, so they're not even worth negotiating with because they're too stupid. 1.00

02:51:51.000 And they don't want to have debates. 1.00

02:51:53.000 They're pro-censorship, et cetera.

02:51:54.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:51:55.000 Like, look, there's shit in the right wing that pisses me off too, but they're far more aligned with sanity. 0.99

02:52:01.000 I mean, Donald Trump campaigned on, we are the party of common sense. 0.99

02:52:04.000 Like, whenever is the president said, yeah, we're running on common sense. 0.98

02:52:08.000 That should just show you how fucking loony we've become. 0.99

02:52:11.000 Two genders. 0.99

02:52:12.000 That's how William is saying.

02:52:13.000 Like, that's craziness, dude.

02:52:15.000 Absolute craziness.

02:52:16.000 But yeah, I think the left for them to come back.

02:52:18.000 I agree with you, Todd. 1.00

02:52:19.000 They need someone that's going to be a bit more like, you're going to need someone new because the establishment people are fucking retarded. 0.99

02:52:24.000 And then on top of that, you're going to need to bring the men back. 0.98

02:52:26.000 They need to find a way to bring the men back.

02:52:28.000 They need someone like me.

02:52:30.000 Not me.

02:52:30.000 I'm not saying me.

02:52:31.000 I see what you're saying.

02:52:33.000 Someone who's going to be like, hey, I actually think progressive taxes are okay.

02:52:38.000 I don't agree with abortion at birth, but I actually think we should have some availability to women in some capacity.

02:52:44.000 Friends with a bunch of conservatives, we disagree. 0.99

02:52:47.000 But I'm not a fucking centrist. 1.00

02:52:48.000 I'm only a centrist because they're fucking whack-aloo. 1.00

02:52:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:52:51.000 Like, there's no conservative reality where, like, I go to TPSA and say, yeah, I think abortion is wrong, but I don't know that making it illegal is the right way to go about doing it.

02:53:00.000 They'll be like, I go crazy.

02:53:01.000 They'll be like, oh, so you're a liberal.

02:53:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:53:03.000 That's what I think you are.

02:53:04.000 Yeah.

02:53:05.000 I think you're a leftist.

02:53:09.000 Yeah.

02:53:10.000 Yeah, there's certain topics that, like, if you aren't 100% on the right with it, they'll be like, oh, you're, you're a liberal.

02:53:17.000 Abortion is one of them. 0.75

02:53:18.000 Immigration. 1.00

02:53:20.000 I shouldn't chop off the balls of children. 1.00

02:53:20.000 I see. 1.00

02:53:24.000 That makes you right-wing. 1.00

02:53:25.000 You're falling hold as fuck. 1.00

02:53:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:53:28.000 Well, I actually, I no longer think abortion is one of those issues for it is for me personally, but I don't think.

02:53:34.000 You don't even, because a lot of people will automatically, because I actually aligned with Tim on this to a degree where it's like, you know, I think abortion in general is bad, but I do think like, you know, within maybe first few months, you know, early.

02:53:51.000 What was that?

02:53:51.000 I think like 12 weeks.

02:53:52.000 You think 12 weeks?

02:53:53.000 Yeah.

02:53:53.000 And my point is there has to be a legitimate reason for it.

02:53:59.000 That's like a legitimate medical reason.

02:54:01.000 The issue that I... 1.00

02:54:04.000 Everything else is like, you know, women are dumb. 1.00

02:54:07.000 The issue with the left is they're like, we're pro-choice. 1.00

02:54:09.000 So let's pass a law that says no restrictions on any abortion up to the point of birth. 1.00

02:54:12.000 And I'm like, no, you're just fucking a baby killer. 0.99

02:54:14.000 My thing is abortions are wrong. 1.00

02:54:15.000 You shouldn't get an abortion as contraception. 1.00

02:54:18.000 But making it illegal, then the function would be a woman who needs a medical treatment in some capacity that could terminate the life of the baby would need to get a writ from a judge or something. 1.00

02:54:30.000 And it's like, I don't know how you do that.

02:54:33.000 Like I go to the doctor and then he's like, okay, there is a very rare medical procedure.

02:54:38.000 Now, don't get me wrong, I totally understand that the left completely abuses that system.

02:54:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:42.000 I'm not pretending I have any good answers.

02:54:44.000 No, I'm saying, I'm saying within the first 12 weeks, a woman goes to the doctor and says, what's wrong?

02:54:49.000 And he says, you've got an ectopic pregnancy and you and the baby are going to die because of how severe it is.

02:54:54.000 We need to terminate the pregnancy to save your life. 1.00

02:54:57.000 Okay, I'm going to go file with, call my lawyer.

02:55:00.000 We'll get a quit right from the judge.

02:55:01.000 I'll be back tomorrow.

02:55:05.000 That's crazy.

02:55:05.000 Yeah.

02:55:05.000 That's crazy.

02:55:06.000 The way the legal system is backed up.

02:55:08.000 What I don't want is a woman being like, I got pregnant again. 1.00

02:55:11.000 I think Ron DeSantis has a pretty good.

02:55:14.000 I think in Florida, it's 12 weeks.

02:55:15.000 So I think we got it right in Florida.

02:55:17.000 But yeah, anything beyond that.

02:55:19.000 I think there's got to be at least some semblance of a reason.

02:55:21.000 It's got to be like, you can't just be like, I'm poor.

02:55:24.000 It's like, no, get out of here.

02:55:25.000 What are you talking about?

02:55:26.000 I would just argue that the absence of a limiting principle goes the other way.

02:55:30.000 You have a lot of leftists who are always talking about how things are better in Europe and in France.

02:55:34.000 Abortion is only legal up to 14 weeks.

02:55:37.000 Yeah.

02:55:37.000 I think the average in Europe is like 12.

02:55:39.000 But what was your point?

02:55:40.000 Abortion's not legal at all.

02:55:41.000 Like, if you say, oh, you just need a good reason, then there's no limiting principle on what becomes a good reason.

02:55:48.000 No, I'm saying we codify a reason, like it must be an emergency medical procedure.

02:55:52.000 It must be related to the physical well-being of the mother. 0.99

02:55:57.000 And it must be determined by a doctor to do so, but that you don't need a writ from a judge to confirm it.

02:56:02.000 Yeah, I mean, I think most pro-life Americans would be on board with that, frankly.

02:56:08.000 That's why I'm saying it shouldn't be illegal.

02:56:10.000 The doctor would make the determination that there was a mandatory procedure.

02:56:13.000 The issue is that we know that the left will probably abuse it and they'll lie.

02:56:16.000 That's the challenge.

02:56:18.000 Right.

02:56:18.000 I guess the point I wanted to make to Myron is that I don't think abortion is all that coherent of a political issue for the right anymore.

02:56:28.000 I agree.

02:56:29.000 One thing Trump ended is that, I mean, the pro-life movement is irrelevant.

02:56:32.000 And that's bad.

02:56:36.000 Like you said, if you go to a conservative event and you say anything that's more appro- anything that aligns with pro-trace, they'll be like, oh, you're a liberal.

02:56:43.000 But they'll get mad at you.

02:56:45.000 They'll just be like, I'll just box.

02:56:46.000 Like, they'll try to say.

02:56:48.000 You go to a left-wing event and you say, well, I just think Trump's not that bad. 0.99

02:56:50.000 They'll beat the shit out of you. 1.00

02:56:51.000 Oh, yeah, they'll go nuts. 1.00

02:56:52.000 All right.

02:56:53.000 We're pressed for time.

02:56:53.000 So TJ, did you want to shout anything out?

02:56:56.000 Super quick follow-up.

02:56:58.000 Sorry, I didn't mean to spark the abortion debate.

02:57:01.000 But I just want to say that I don't think lack of accountability is just a Democrat thing.

02:57:06.000 I think the Epstein files and the unwillingness to release them shows that Republicans also don't want to take accountability.

02:57:15.000 But yeah, as for shout-outs, I'll be super quick.

02:57:17.000 Just give me 30 seconds.

02:57:19.000 Quick shout-out to Tyler Today News.

02:57:21.000 He lets me be his co-host on Mondays and Tuesdays, and he's out here killing it.

02:57:25.000 So if you haven't checked him out yet, please do.

02:57:28.000 And then secondly, a shout-out to Joey Cannoli and Outworld Live.

02:57:33.000 Last week, we had a watch party for Kill Tony and Karen Jones, who was drawn out of the bucket.

02:57:38.000 She's the grandma that revealed she was arrested during January 6th.

02:57:43.000 She mentioned it during her first appearance.

02:57:45.000 I told Joey that we need to get her on the podcast.

02:57:47.000 Joey said, well, you're the Twitter expert.

02:57:49.000 You do it.

02:57:50.000 So long story short, after doing some Twitter stalking, I eventually got in contact with her, and she's going to be on tonight's episode of Nightcap at Midnight Eastern.

02:58:01.000 And we'd love to have you guys all there in the chat chatting with her.

02:58:04.000 So Out World Live, join us there.

02:58:06.000 Right on, man.

02:58:07.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:58:09.000 Peace.

02:58:10.000 Later.

02:58:11.000 Thank you, gentlemen, for joining us.

02:58:12.000 William, Myron.

02:58:14.000 Tomorrow, we've got Steve Hilton.

02:58:17.000 Oh, wow.

02:58:18.000 That'll be interesting.

02:58:19.000 I'm glad to have him.

02:58:20.000 And thank you, everybody who's hanging out.

02:58:23.000 You got a freebie on the uncensored show today.

02:58:26.000 Sometimes we like to play it through because I want people to be able to watch it so we can be like, yo, come hang out.

02:58:32.000 Good green one room, too.

02:58:34.000 So it's uncensored, and you got to hear Myron say a bunch of naughty things.

02:58:38.000 Yes.

02:58:38.000 You guys will enjoy it.

02:58:39.000 Go check it out.

02:58:40.000 But we're going to wrap it up there.

02:58:41.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 16, 2025

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