Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump DOJ INDICTS Comey AGAIN | Timcast IRL

00:02:40.000 James Comey has been indicted again, this time over his post on Instagram in which he said 86 47, which, depending on who you ask, means different things.

00:02:51.000 Typically, it just means to strike something from an order or off a menu.

00:02:54.000 So we 86 the bowl of chili, something like that.

00:02:58.000 However, the origins could be eight miles out and six feet under, implying a mafia hit or to kill someone.

00:03:07.000 For this reason, they've indicted Comey for threatening the president.

00:03:10.000 Now, I think one of the issues that Comey has is he deleted it after the fact, saying he did not realize.

00:03:15.000 Which implies the insinuation may be at least somewhat true.

00:03:19.000 However, I must stress, prominent liberals and conservatives have both used this against Trump and Joe Biden.

00:03:26.000 So previously, people have said 8646.

00:03:28.000 The Krasensteins following this at 8647.

00:03:30.000 Many activists were posting 8647.

00:03:33.000 That's probably why Comey posted it.

00:03:35.000 So there's a big debate over whether or not this actually makes sense.

00:03:38.000 And I suppose I can only say one thing to quote the great Hakeem Jeffries, maximum warfare.

00:03:46.000 I mean, the Democrats want to play ball.

00:03:46.000 That's it.

00:03:48.000 They want to try and put Trump in prison. 0.99

00:03:50.000 Don't be surprised when they play ball witches.

00:03:53.000 But we'll have this conversation, go over this issue.

00:03:54.000 There's a lot more to go through.

00:03:56.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:03:57.000 The FCC is now challenging ABC's broadcast licenses.

00:04:02.000 Jimmy Kimmel made a joke that Melania looked like she had a glow of an expectant widow just before this assassination attempt.

00:04:10.000 And oh boy, we got a lot more to talk about.

00:04:13.000 A new poll shows that the Republicans are actually tied with Democrats in the generic ballot for the midterms.

00:04:19.000 Which I don't believe for two seconds, but we're going to take a look at this poll and see what it actually means.

00:04:25.000 It may be that once people on the right start checking back into politics, once they start feeling like they haven't been listened to enough and problems are arising, you might actually see Republicans get a big boost.

00:04:37.000 The important thing to understand there is that while I don't think it's correct, it may just be a blip, Democrats have historically low favorability for this time in an election cycle.

00:04:46.000 Typically, they should be enjoying around 10 to 15 points, but they're only at around five in one of the latest polls.

00:04:51.000 So maybe.

00:04:52.000 There's some hope for Republicans.

00:04:53.000 We'll get into all that.

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00:06:19.000 We've got a couple of great people joining us tonight.

00:06:21.000 Let's start with you, Cliff.

00:06:22.000 What's going on?

00:06:22.000 Hey, everybody.

00:06:23.000 Cliff Maloney here.

00:06:24.000 Glad to be back, CEO at Citizens Alliance.

00:06:27.000 Here with our next guest.

00:06:28.000 We've got a book just came out, Run Right.

00:06:31.000 Took a lot of our stuff from the 2024 campaign, all the candidate academies that we do.

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00:06:41.000 Appreciate you guys having me.

00:06:43.000 You, sir.

00:06:44.000 Joshua Lysik here, the co author with Cliff Maloney of this fantastic new book, Run Right.

00:06:44.000 Hey, guys.

00:06:48.000 We're calling it the Right Wing Organizer's Handbook.

00:06:51.000 Such a book has not yet been written, and we decided it was time.

00:06:54.000 We wanted to write this book with the co author for six years now.

00:06:59.000 In that time of lost change in book publishing, people are calling me the last ghostwriter.

00:07:02.000 That's probably true.

00:07:04.000 But for tonight, for now, I am his partner in crime on this fantastic book, Run Right.

00:07:09.000 Is AI just taking it?

00:07:11.000 Oh, 90.

00:07:12.000 I did a piece for Business Insider and for The Observer on specifically this issue of AI.

00:07:18.000 The output is good enough.

00:07:21.000 In business, they say it's got to be good, it's got to be fast, it's got to be cheap.

00:07:24.000 Pick two.

00:07:25.000 But the issue with AI is it's actually all three.

00:07:28.000 If you're only paying 20 bucks, 30 bucks, 40 bucks a month, it's good enough.

00:07:33.000 When the shooting happened over the weekend, I immediately went on action and started reading through all these tweets.

00:07:38.000 And I'm like, I need to get something just succinct right now.

00:07:42.000 So, I Google it and there's a bunch of different stories.

00:07:44.000 So, I go on to Grok and I say, summarize what just happened with the news.

00:07:48.000 And it gives me this breakdown.

00:07:49.000 And I'm like, so I just go on to ChatGPT and I said, make an infographic about what happened.

00:07:54.000 And it pops it up.

00:07:55.000 There's no filler words.

00:07:56.000 It's literally, shooter was apprehended.

00:07:58.000 Shooting took place at this time.

00:07:59.000 And I was like, wow, I'm going to post this.

00:08:01.000 It was just in 30 seconds.

00:08:03.000 I didn't have to read through a bunch of exposition.

00:08:06.000 Often, what we see with news articles is they'll say, like, Donald Trump, who is the 45th and 40th.

00:08:11.000 I don't need to read that.

00:08:12.000 I just need to give me the bullet points.

00:08:14.000 So now.

00:08:15.000 I've been cranking out these infographics on news just in two seconds because it's honestly for me, but I think people probably would like it in news that way.

00:08:23.000 It's crazy how fast AI is taking over all of this stuff.

00:08:26.000 And here's the secret it's way better than they're letting on.

00:08:28.000 The technology is substantially more advanced, but they're trickling it out.

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00:08:50.000 Tate Brown, dude.

00:08:51.000 What is going on, Patriots?

00:08:52.000 I'm happy to be here.

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00:08:57.000 Let's get into it.

00:08:57.000 Here's the news from CNN exclusive former FBI Director James Comey indicted over alleged threat against Trump.

00:09:05.000 They say the charges approved by a grand jury in the Eastern District of North Carolina, where Comey allegedly took the photo, include making a threat against the president and transmitting a threat in interstate commerce.

00:09:16.000 Comey responded to the indictment Tuesday in a video posted to a Subsec account saying, I'm still innocent.

00:09:21.000 I'm still not afraid.

00:09:22.000 And I still believe in the independent federal judiciary.

00:09:25.000 So let's go.

00:09:26.000 The new case represents a reinvigorated effort to satisfy Trump's demands to investigate his own foes, including Comey, who he sees as a key leader in the perceived effort to weaponize the justice system against him.

00:09:38.000 It comes less than a month after the president dismissed Pam Bondi.

00:09:41.000 I just got to say, with the SPLC indictment, I don't know if this is Todd Blanch just taking a sledgehammer to the system in a way Pam Bondi was not, but it certainly feels like he's coming out, you know, swinging.

00:09:53.000 For sure.

00:09:55.000 There are questions about this, however.

00:09:57.000 And, you know, there's another story we'll get into in a bit that is the FCC challenging ABC's broadcast licenses. 0.97

00:10:04.000 And initially, my reaction to this and to the ABC thing is do we really need to pull their broadcast license over a stupid joke? 1.00

00:10:13.000 Comey said something dumb. 0.99

00:10:14.000 Is this really Warren thing a criminal indictment? 0.99

00:10:17.000 Well, here's the issue.

00:10:19.000 To quote Hakeem Jeffries, maximum warfare.

00:10:22.000 That is what they said.

00:10:23.000 They tried putting Trump in prison on fake charges.

00:10:26.000 And there's a very difficult question you all must ask yourselves, honestly.

00:10:31.000 Will you do whatever it takes to stop people who are coming after you?

00:10:35.000 So, the issue is this if they're willing to create fake rape charges, fake fraud charges, if they're willing to present fake trumped up charges, 37 felonies, which never happened.

00:10:48.000 I want to clarify this real quick on the falsification of business records.

00:10:51.000 The allegation heard in court was that Trump never instructed his lawyer to falsify records.

00:10:59.000 Cohen just Assumed that's what Trump wanted, and that is the basis for Trump's criminal activity.

00:11:05.000 If that is the basis for criminally charging Trump and convicting him, why would I defend any of these people?

00:11:13.000 I mean, the Biden DOJ was bringing in Trump lawyers over like jaywalking charges.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:17.000 So, I mean, Blanche is off to an insane start. 0.99

00:11:20.000 I mean, he's having a generational month here.

00:11:22.000 Again, it kind of makes you ask, like, what was Bond even really up to?

00:11:25.000 I mean, this is a question a lot of people had in the really across the entire conservative space was, Like Orrin McIntyre is making this point over and over again.

00:11:32.000 It's like, hey, we need to see some high profile arrests.

00:11:34.000 Like, it's great that some stuff's getting done behind the scenes, but you got to, again, you got to reward the base with these sorts of things because these people, since the day Trump came down the escalator, it's been like, we're going to lock her up, et cetera, et cetera.

00:11:44.000 Blanche comes out, boom, Comey charge, SPLC indictment. 0.63

00:11:48.000 He's got a menu of charges for these Somali daycare fraudsters.

00:11:53.000 We saw an associate of Fauci is now, you know, the DOJ is breathing down his neck.

00:11:58.000 So, again, Blanche is just racking up some victories.

00:12:01.000 One, yeah, you're going back at Bonnie and like, what were you doing this whole time? 0.58

00:12:03.000 But B, more, I think it's more to Blanche's credit.

00:12:05.000 I think he's just, this is, we finally got the right guy for the gig here.

00:12:07.000 Well, I think also an issue that we're witnessing now, and I think Tim just made a great point on this, is the way to defend against the left is to use their own weaponry against them.

00:12:17.000 There's a number of commentators who've made the fantastic point that, generally speaking, those who claim to be maximum empathizers, oh, I'm an empath, I have empathy, what they're really doing is not empathizing, what they're doing is projecting.

00:12:31.000 You're just like me, and therefore, if you had done those things, then it would be for these reasons because that's why I would do it.

00:12:38.000 So, every accusation then becomes a confession.

00:12:42.000 And the reason that maximum lawfare in return works is atomic diplomacy, mutually assured destruction.

00:12:50.000 That's what we saw with the Soviet versus US Cold War conflict the way to prevent World War III is you have nukes, we have more nukes.

00:12:59.000 Now what?

00:13:00.000 And that keeps them in check.

00:13:03.000 I don't even know if check is an option or issue.

00:13:06.000 I think what we're looking at is just maximum warfare.

00:13:10.000 This is substantially less consequential than what they did to Trump.

00:13:15.000 Even if he's convicted on this, what is it?

00:13:16.000 A slap on the wrist?

00:13:18.000 You made a naughty social media comment?

00:13:19.000 That's what I wonder if it's more of a public, an op.

00:13:23.000 A shot across the bow.

00:13:23.000 They want to.

00:13:24.000 They bang the drums, yell Jim Comey's name, and then show everyone, hey, see, vote for me in the midterms, because right now the Iran thing's crushing their public support.

00:13:32.000 You're saying high profile.

00:13:33.000 That's exactly right.

00:13:34.000 They need something right now.

00:13:35.000 And I don't think it's.

00:13:36.000 People say for the base.

00:13:38.000 I think the base, if the base is that strong and they're not seeing action, they might get a little frustrated.

00:13:42.000 But this is for a lot of those people that I think jumped to support Trump and kind of came around, not necessarily that they were Democrat, but some of the MAHA coalition, some of the people that the lawfare pissed them off.

00:13:53.000 Blanche is just rocking and rolling right now.

00:13:55.000 I mean, he is really coming out showing that, yeah, you need to take action.

00:14:00.000 And they're really getting to a point where if we didn't have some of this action, it was going to get really bad with a lot of people kind of bleeding out.

00:14:09.000 I think you might be right.

00:14:10.000 The ethical dilemma I've got is.

00:14:13.000 Sometimes it's like, yo, whoever is heading your DOJ when you're in office, they're going to break the law.

00:14:17.000 You're going to tell them to do stuff that's illegal.

00:14:18.000 They're going to do it.

00:14:20.000 Then when you're all out, next people come in, their DOJ is going to break the law and you're going to tell them to do it and they're going to do it.

00:14:25.000 And then just let it happen because the war is out there.

00:14:29.000 The war is in other countries looking at us.

00:14:31.000 And so to turn it on opposing parties concerns me.

00:14:35.000 Well, I think it's a beltway knife fight.

00:14:37.000 I mean, that's what you're seeing right now.

00:14:38.000 It's these guys that have known each other for decades are now finally turning on each other because they realize, hey, our gigs are on the line right now.

00:14:44.000 Like guys are getting primaried.

00:14:45.000 Look at the Democrats. 0.96

00:14:46.000 They're primaried each other all the time.

00:14:47.000 I wish you'd see more of that in the GOP, quite frankly.

00:14:50.000 So these guys are realizing, oh, now there's some heat on us.

00:14:52.000 You got to turn on all your boys.

00:14:54.000 And these guys chum it up in the halls of Congress.

00:14:56.000 But then once they leave and they're on the stump, They got to use the harshest language they possibly can.

00:14:59.000 So, in addition to that, people are like, oh, well, this is red meat for the base.

00:15:03.000 It's like, yeah, that's great, actually.

00:15:05.000 Like, we're hungry.

00:15:06.000 We would like some red meat, some protein, please.

00:15:08.000 Like, we've been eating, you know, slop for a while now.

00:15:11.000 So, and there's been some great things the Trump administration is doing.

00:15:13.000 But, you know, outside of that, you're starting to look around at the cabinet and you're like, okay, you know, guys, let's get some ball, you know, ball moving here.

00:15:18.000 Because, again, like, Trump can only sign so many executive orders.

00:15:21.000 Finally, we're seeing some consequential decisions here from the DOJ.

00:15:23.000 I love to see it.

00:15:24.000 So, the question then is Will Ed Krasenstein be criminally indicted as well?

00:15:30.000 Because following this, he posted 8647.

00:15:34.000 I suppose the argument they might make is that his was obviously a commentary on what Comey had said.

00:15:40.000 But we also have this post from Jack Posobick in 2022 where he said 8646.

00:15:45.000 The issue there, I would argue, people are going to say is he was just responding to people saying 8647 in the past in Trump's first term.

00:15:53.000 So he was responding to what the left did.

00:15:54.000 He's basically doing a play on the left.

00:15:56.000 But the argument people are making is if you're going to go after Comey for this, you got to go after Posso and Krasnodein, everybody who's ever posted this.

00:16:03.000 But basically, why I brought up the point of turning on each other is not really the way because you're allowed to type 8646 on Twitter.

00:16:09.000 That's you're allowed to type.

00:16:10.000 Turning on each other?

00:16:11.000 What do you mean?

00:16:12.000 Fellow Americans, I guess.

00:16:13.000 My fellow Americans.

00:16:14.000 Turning on fellow Americans as opposed to keeping the eyes pointed outward.

00:16:17.000 I understand you got to watch out for the Ninth Amendment.

00:16:19.000 Do you think that Abraham Lincoln should not have turned against his fellow Americans? 0.58

00:16:22.000 Hilarious.

00:16:23.000 No, no, they turned on him.

00:16:24.000 I mean, they tried to secede, you know.

00:16:26.000 But I guess the question.

00:16:27.000 Well, they literally did secede.

00:16:29.000 That was what triggered them.

00:16:30.000 They seceded from the Union.

00:16:32.000 And I guess the question, too, is like when the Biden DOJ again was dragging right wingers into Court was, you know, canning Trump's lawyers and throwing them in court, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:39.000 Do you think they were really worried about, like, oh, what if the future Republican, you know, AG or DOJ comes after us?

00:16:44.000 You know, no, they weren't.

00:16:45.000 They were like, again, like, we have a mission, we're in power, we want to punish these perceived enemies.

00:16:50.000 Because, again, they realize the left, by and large, realizes the sort of existential moment that we're in.

00:16:55.000 And a lot of conservatives are asleep at the wheel and they're like, maybe if we can just get everyone to calm down, like, this system will still function as normal.

00:17:02.000 Meanwhile, like, 80% of the country, for the most part, has given up on the political system.

00:17:05.000 Well, now life has, you know, life.

00:17:07.000 Still, most people are somewhat happy, but as far as the political system, they're just increasingly frustrated. 0.96

00:17:11.000 And they're like, I elected you to, you know, be a bull in a China shop.

00:17:14.000 If I wanted, like, you know, tough with a tie on, I'd like Jeb Bush or something, you know?

00:17:18.000 Like, we like to Trump for a reason here.

00:17:20.000 I think it's, it's the, like, criminalizing rhetoric is not now, it doesn't make sense.

00:17:26.000 People are beyond rhetoric.

00:17:27.000 If you make people not allowed to say 8647, it's not going to mean that there's going to be less assassination attempts on Donald Trump.

00:17:33.000 Like, what?

00:17:34.000 No one, they don't care.

00:17:35.000 Like, yeah, rhetoric sucks, but don't start crypt, don't destroy yourself to try and fix yourself.

00:17:40.000 But I think we made the point, I mean, following the shooting, that a lot of people are saying, okay, even if they weren't directly inciting violence, again, they're sort of creating this environment that does lead to violence.

00:17:49.000 So at a certain point, I mean, you know, you got to start asking questions.

00:17:51.000 When guys like this, that is quite frankly an explicit threat, you know, maybe if people cracked on on explicit threats towards Charlie Kirk, maybe that wouldn't have happened.

00:17:58.000 Who knows?

00:17:58.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:17:59.000 You know, I was talking about the FCC thing earlier, and the issue is the snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche.

00:18:08.000 And so it's kind of like, you know, a cop pulls somebody who's speeding 20 miles over, he gets pulled over, and he's like, hey, everybody was speeding.

00:18:15.000 And the cop goes, I can only pull over one of you.

00:18:17.000 Nobody should be speeding.

00:18:18.000 So, the issue is James Comey is the highest profile individual to make this kind of veiled threat, to push this rhetoric. 0.84

00:18:26.000 If you do not stop it at the highest and most profile levels, then you are going to get 10 million more at the lower levels doing the same thing, which results in a wackaloon charging into the White House Correspondence Center trying to shoot people up. 0.91

00:18:40.000 And then, this is my favorite part of the story. 0.75

00:18:43.000 So, Seth Weathers made an enhanced AI version of the security footage, and he uploaded it.

00:18:51.000 And of course, it's AI.

00:18:53.000 It has now gone massively viral, tens of millions of views from leftists saying, Here's the security footage.

00:19:01.000 Look at that.

00:19:02.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:19:03.000 It's fake.

00:19:04.000 So, what they're doing is they're taking AI videos and then acting like it was the official release.

00:19:10.000 This is what happens when you have it's like the inverse of broken windows.

00:19:15.000 When you allow all of this just to run rampant, it becomes the worst possible form.

00:19:20.000 Yeah, Cliff, you called it stemming the bleeding.

00:19:22.000 And I think you are right about a high profile.

00:19:26.000 Rhetorical insinuation to violence is legal technically, but highly unethical.

00:19:34.000 Well, yeah, but the thing with the Comey case is obviously he has to have intent and he has to have motive.

00:19:34.000 Highly unethical.

00:19:39.000 I mean, that's why they're indicting him, right?

00:19:40.000 That's why they're moving forward to research it.

00:19:42.000 But I think that they're obviously trying to use the Krasenstein or Postos tweets as like a just, it's like, well, what were the, what was the intent?

00:19:52.000 But see that they put it up.

00:19:53.000 It can't just be anybody that says it, right?

00:19:55.000 The intent has to be contextual.

00:19:57.000 So in 2022, so Jack's, Jack's post was in January 22.

00:20:01.000 At that time, the 86 referred to my understanding, and it was not seen concurrently by left wing commentators.

00:20:08.000 It was not seen as a call for assassination.

00:20:09.000 It was seen as him calling for the removal of him from office.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, but historically, 86, the origins are disputed.

00:20:22.000 One of the origins is that there was a soda pop shop, and there was an item on the menu, number 86, and they removed it.

00:20:31.000 And so.

00:20:32.000 When they removed number 86, then somebody said, What happened to 17?

00:20:35.000 It got 86 to 2.

00:20:37.000 One origin is that the mafia would say, Eight miles out and six feet under.

00:20:42.000 And it was a reference to like Vegas, drive them out to the desert, bury them in the ground, 86.

00:20:46.000 Oh, 86 them.

00:20:47.000 I see. 0.92

00:20:48.000 That's the verb.

00:20:49.000 And so people in the mafia out there would be like, 86 them.

00:20:53.000 And then people started jokingly saying 86 other things.

00:20:56.000 And then people in the restaurant industry started saying it too.

00:20:58.000 We don't know for sure, but the point is, it could go either way.

00:21:02.000 So the argument against Comey is that.

00:21:04.000 While the left was using it generally to say, get rid of him, the right took it as this is a veiled threat from the highest level.

00:21:11.000 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 That's the argument for the indictment.

00:21:14.000 Yeah.

00:21:14.000 Well, I mean, and also, like, I'm just going to, like, cut to the chase here.

00:21:17.000 I mean, they shot the president, they killed Charlie Kirk.

00:21:20.000 So I'm not really interested in, like, when they're like, oh, yeah, but one of your guys did this.

00:21:24.000 I'm like, I don't really care.

00:21:25.000 I like the Trump to break these people, quite frankly.

00:21:28.000 I don't care what, who said what. 0.98

00:21:30.000 I'm intending on destroying you.

00:21:31.000 I'm not intending on destroying my own side. 0.57

00:21:33.000 I have a friend enemy distinction.

00:21:34.000 I make that fairly clear, like, all the time.

00:21:36.000 So, like, I'm not saying everybody has to hold this.

00:21:38.000 I'm not really interested.

00:21:39.000 I'm interested in a former FBI director, like literally sending out a threat against the president.

00:21:43.000 That's what I'm comfortable cracking down.

00:21:45.000 Again, I'm okay.

00:21:46.000 Whatever.

00:21:46.000 Oh, he said that.

00:21:47.000 I'm like, I don't really care.

00:21:48.000 I really don't care.

00:21:49.000 At this point, I don't care.

00:21:50.000 You just killed Charlie Kirk.

00:21:51.000 You lose all rights to diplomatic negotiations.

00:21:54.000 It's important not to conflate who did what.

00:21:57.000 A guy killed Charlie, a guy tried, but that's not Jacksonville.

00:22:00.000 No, no, no.

00:22:01.000 It was they.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, because saying they makes you the psycho conspiracy theor.

00:22:04.000 It was they.

00:22:05.000 There was people.

00:22:06.000 I mean, Tim makes this point all the time.

00:22:07.000 There was, again, and the entire Utah community, people that are privy to it.

00:22:10.000 And then after that, I just scrolled through my timeline 100,000 likes, 200,000 likes, 300,000 likes.

00:22:15.000 Popular liberal commentators, popular TV pundits, all these different people saying he deserved it.

00:22:20.000 Maybe you're ratcheting on that. 0.79

00:22:21.000 There was a woman three hours before the shooting at the White House Correspondence Dinner who said, I hope it happens at the Correspondence Dinner.

00:22:28.000 And then after it did, responded, I guess someone else did too.

00:22:31.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 So what happens with Comey and all these leftists saying they make TikToks that go viral where they go, Someone's got to do it.

00:22:41.000 And you know what I mean.

00:22:42.000 And that's all the video is.

00:22:43.000 Because everybody knows what they're saying.

00:22:45.000 And then this wacky guy in California goes, I guess it'll be me.

00:22:49.000 Sooner or later, we know exactly what they mean when they say someone ought to do it.

00:22:55.000 Wink.

00:22:56.000 And then turn the video off.

00:22:57.000 Arrest them.

00:22:58.000 As for this, the argument is Jack Posobic posted 8646.

00:22:58.000 Yeah.

00:23:03.000 Ultimately, however, my response is guys, I no longer play by these.

00:23:09.000 We're all here to hold hands and get along.

00:23:11.000 The Democrats made fake criminal charges against Trump, fake ones.

00:23:14.000 Okay, the falsification of business records charges against Trump were fabricated.

00:23:19.000 First, let's start here.

00:23:22.000 They claim they were felonies because they were in furtherance of another crime.

00:23:26.000 And for the first time in history, there was no unanimous determination as to what crime Trump was trying to commit.

00:23:32.000 More importantly, so that's where they go from misdemeanor to felony.

00:23:36.000 Otherwise, they'd be misdemeanors and they would be beyond the statute of limitations.

00:23:40.000 Here's the best part in the whole thing, though the criminal complaint, as stated in the trial, was that.

00:23:47.000 Donald Trump never instructed anyone to falsify records.

00:23:52.000 His lawyer, Cohen, just said, We knew that's what Trump wanted us to do.

00:23:58.000 So Trump literally is accused of doing nothing but being the beneficiary of actions of somebody else.

00:24:04.000 And for that, they have convicted him on 37 counts.

00:24:07.000 If we are going to do nothing in response to that, you guys might as well just put out your hands right now for cuffs because they will stop at nothing to destroy you.

00:24:17.000 This is bare minimum.

00:24:18.000 I'm concerned, but this is.

00:24:20.000 The argument for me is whether or not saying 8647 is a threat.

00:24:25.000 If Comey had typed, someone ought to do it, lock him up, like take him to trial for sure.

00:24:30.000 But if him saying 8647 is a threat, that means Jack literally threatened Biden with his life, which he didn't do.

00:24:38.000 And I don't want to set the precedent for logical incarceration of Jack Posobic.

00:24:42.000 That's insane.

00:24:43.000 He's not a criminal.

00:24:44.000 So there's where I'm at.

00:24:47.000 And so, again, I'll ask you again when they arrested Trump's lawyers.

00:24:51.000 You know, when they arrested Trump's lawyers for providing legal services, do we accept a reality in which Democrats go 10 times harder than we're going now?

00:25:02.000 Oh, 10 times harder.

00:25:03.000 Well, I would argue that arresting someone's lawyers is probably 100 times harder than giving someone a slap on the rest of our social media posts.

00:25:10.000 You were saying thugs were like kicking doors down and like under arrest for a crime we don't even know.

00:25:17.000 So they arrested Trump's lawyers in several states for the simple act of providing him a legal service.

00:25:17.000 People can't.

00:25:23.000 And they claimed that the letters drafted were in furtherance of the Trump.

00:25:27.000 So Jenna Ellis is the example.

00:25:29.000 She simply drafted a letter and they said that was in furtherance of a conspiracy.

00:25:35.000 Okay.

00:25:36.000 And if that's the case, then, right, providing legal service is now a crime.

00:25:43.000 Arresting someone's lawyers for providing a legal service is one of the most egregious things you could do.

00:25:50.000 It is the definition of tyranny, it violates the Constitution, it violates human rights against a right to legal counsel.

00:25:57.000 And this guy's being given a slap on the wrist charge for a social media post.

00:26:01.000 If we accept a reality in which Democrats can do all the things they've done and we do nothing, again, you may as well just get on your knees right now, hold your hands up for cuffs.

00:26:10.000 Even doing this and go to the SPLC is like 1% of what Democrats did.

00:26:15.000 It's in the right direction, from my perspective.

00:26:17.000 It's in the right direction.

00:26:18.000 See, this is something that, of all people, Jack Posobic and I grappled with in the book on humans about communism, about left wing revolutionary violence, is so often the question is when does the left go too far?

00:26:31.000 Well, they don't go too far, they just keep going.

00:26:33.000 There's no end to their revolution.

00:26:34.000 Pursuit of power.

00:26:35.000 I think it was Curtis Yarvin who said that, from metaphorically speaking, to the right, the right is like wine snobs with alcohol, but the left is like an alcoholic with alcohol.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, he said conservatives treat power the way a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power the way an alcoholic treats alcohol.

00:26:53.000 Yes.

00:26:53.000 So we will, I believe the right will, as well as we may run right, don't walk, run right, as we say, as far and as fast as we may run right, I do not believe we will ever catch the left in terms of how far they are willing to go for the Furtherance of our seeking.

00:27:10.000 What our position is something like prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

00:27:16.000 I would say there's something interesting happening right now in the media space.

00:27:20.000 With, I actually, let's just jump straight.

00:27:23.000 We have a bunch of other big, big news, but I want to jump to this one.

00:27:25.000 And this matters in the conversation we're having.

00:27:27.000 You're talking about running right.

00:27:29.000 We've got this from Mediaite.

00:27:30.000 Midterm shocker GOP tied with Democrats in latest stunning House poll.

00:27:36.000 I don't believe it for two seconds.

00:27:37.000 It's a single poll.

00:27:38.000 It's probably a blip.

00:27:39.000 Me neither.

00:27:40.000 They say the poll of 2,754 registered voters conducted between April 23rd and 26th carried a 1.87% margin of error.

00:27:46.000 This is a Harvard Harris X.

00:27:48.000 So these are typically good polls.

00:27:51.000 They say 50% said they'd vote Democrat.

00:27:53.000 The other 50% said they'd vote Republican.

00:27:56.000 Democrats have an advantage among independent voters, which is good.

00:27:59.000 However, Republicans have the edge in expected voter turnout.

00:28:04.000 Now, what I find here in this is interesting.

00:28:06.000 First, I would say I don't expect Republicans to win the House.

00:28:09.000 That would buck a historical trend.

00:28:11.000 However, there are other polls that do line up with this that.

00:28:14.000 For instance, Democrat favorability is historically low for a midterm in a president's term or in a rival party's presidential term.

00:28:22.000 They should have much higher favorability if we're tracking historically.

00:28:25.000 They are down.

00:28:27.000 There is the redistricting issue as well, which will change how this midterm plays out.

00:28:33.000 But I noticed something interesting in this, and I have some theories.

00:28:35.000 So I'm going to lay it on you guys, and I want to hear what you think.

00:28:38.000 So back in 2011, I'm doing this political content, and I meet this guy, Luke Ridkowski.

00:28:47.000 And we end up doing videos together and we make a bunch of gag videos on that guy for a long time.

00:28:52.000 And after Obama's election, he says, Get ready, it's about to get real bad.

00:28:57.000 After every presidential election, viewership on social media collapses.

00:29:01.000 And it was funny because at this point, social media was only like one political cycle old.

00:29:05.000 But Luke had been on since the early days making social media.

00:29:09.000 And he was like, You know, after Obama's election in 2008, as soon as it's over, like December, January, everybody stops caring.

00:29:16.000 I witnessed this.

00:29:16.000 And you know what?

00:29:18.000 The anti war effort after Obama got elected in 08 vanished.

00:29:20.000 The protesters were gone.

00:29:23.000 And so, what we expect to happen is after a presidential election, there's a dip in interest, but a lingering effect of what happens now.

00:29:33.000 So, some people still pay attention, as many people check out.

00:29:36.000 That was last year.

00:29:37.000 Then, after a year, people are burned out and you're about to enter a midterm.

00:29:41.000 Where we are right now is it's getting warm out.

00:29:44.000 Viewership always dips in spring, and we are post presidential pre midterm.

00:29:49.000 So, political spending is not there, ad bucks in general.

00:29:52.000 Political content at this point in an election cycle dips massively.

00:29:56.000 Well, what happens?

00:29:58.000 As social media has expanded rapidly, more and more podcasts and video producers and content creators emerge, there is a massive desperation to get views.

00:30:08.000 Even the previous election cycle, there were fewer political channels, so viewership was down, but ad rates were okay.

00:30:15.000 Didn't matter.

00:30:17.000 Today, viewership is down seasonally, political seasonally, and the ad rates are split with AI coming in.

00:30:24.000 So I start, not just I, but you start seeing these people who immediately start doing Erica Kirk.

00:30:29.000 Posting, Israel posting, and now anti Trump.

00:30:32.000 These are the only things that are getting high RPMs currently.

00:30:35.000 So if you want to make money, these are the things you've got to talk about.

00:30:37.000 Liberals are the underdogs.

00:30:39.000 They're the outsiders. 0.93

00:30:40.000 They've been booted out of every branch of government.

00:30:43.000 So content targeting Trump has them all in a tizzy.

00:30:46.000 Thus, you end up seeing people like Tucker Carlson all of a sudden shift, and he sustained beautiful viewership, getting a million plus per episode of his show attacking Donald Trump and Israel.

00:30:57.000 Same thing is true for Candace Owens.

00:30:59.000 You take a look at the people who have stayed more true to their political.

00:31:02.000 Worldview, and they've been either steady, stagnant, or down.

00:31:06.000 So you can see the more consistently, yeah, we like Trump, it's whatever, they see a viewership decline for the most part.

00:31:12.000 My prediction is that, like with every season, the people who voted in Donald Trump, the Republicans, they're like, we did it, we're good.

00:31:19.000 Wipe their hands, and they go watch football.

00:31:22.000 Those are the top search terms every day.

00:31:23.000 It's basketball, football.

00:31:25.000 Well, it's basketball right now, I think.

00:31:27.000 Well, come the midterms, you are going to see a major burst in ad spending, which will trigger the algorithm to promote more political content because ad dollars are being spent on these terms.

00:31:36.000 YouTube will need to fill that inventory so they will show those videos more often.

00:31:40.000 Something weird is going to happen when the people who have turned on Trump encounter the return of the Republican right, moderate right, which are largely checked out right now, as we see every time.

00:31:51.000 I'm going to say it again.

00:31:52.000 When George W. Bush was in, the streets were filled with protests.

00:31:56.000 Watch that video from System of a Down, where everybody around the world's protesting.

00:32:01.000 Obama gets elected and Democrats fell asleep.

00:32:04.000 They were gone.

00:32:05.000 They just checked out.

00:32:06.000 I remember asking my friends, Why aren't you guys protesting the war?

00:32:09.000 And they're like, What do you mean?

00:32:10.000 I'm like, okay.

00:32:11.000 So, my prediction is that following the midterms, Democrats win.

00:32:15.000 Wackaloon things start happening, subpoenas, indictments.

00:32:19.000 The people who largely are not paying attention right now will come back.

00:32:22.000 But then the people who abandon Trump are going to be in an interesting space.

00:32:26.000 They are not going to then start supporting Trump.

00:32:28.000 They've already found an audience with the disaffected Trump supporter, which is not particularly as big as the Trump base.

00:32:35.000 The Trump base largely has maintained itself, polling wise.

00:32:39.000 But they're going to find themselves like Candace Owens and Anna Kasparian.

00:32:42.000 Largely aligned over these issues.

00:32:45.000 And I think that creates a new left right paradigm.

00:32:47.000 I think it's a high probability that this will happen.

00:32:51.000 I'd like to hear what you guys think about it.

00:32:52.000 Well, first, the poll, I hope it's right at 50 50.

00:32:57.000 But the reality is, I mean, everything that we're seeing, like you said, I mean, it's supposed to be 10 to 15 points.

00:33:03.000 But yeah, I mean, every single race in 2025, in the off year, every special election we've had so far, I mean, the overperformance of Democrats, or you could say the underperformance of Republicans.

00:33:16.000 It's not a good sign.

00:33:17.000 But my thing is, how much does the hate for Trump shtick, like, how much is that going to motivate them when we get to November?

00:33:24.000 It's motivating them right now.

00:33:26.000 Like, it is by far the biggest motivator for Democrats is still Trump is the enemy. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Trump is the devil. 0.99

00:33:31.000 Trump is public. 1.00

00:33:33.000 You know, we got to get rid of this guy.

00:33:36.000 But, you know, if gas starts to come down, I think that maybe we could have somewhat of an okay midterm.

00:33:42.000 You know, Jessica Tarlov made a really great point.

00:33:45.000 She said, On Fox News, they're complaining.

00:33:48.000 They played a clip from Bill Maher's show, Club Random, where he roasted David Cross for saying his daughter's friend had a three, had no, someone who was transit three.

00:33:58.000 And she said, You guys are still talking about the small room where everyone's talking about the big room.

00:34:04.000 Democrats are talking about prices.

00:34:06.000 Democrats are going to people and saying gas is too high, the economy is bad, and they're not wrong.

00:34:11.000 And conservatives are still doing cultural issues and they need to focus on the economy.

00:34:16.000 The problem is, Trump started a war.

00:34:18.000 Now, gas prices are up.

00:34:19.000 And there's not really much you can say about it.

00:34:21.000 Even Trump's allies are on TV going, Well, gas prices are up, but, well, no, but, that's going to be a huge motivating factor for regular people who don't know or care about politics.

00:34:29.000 They're going to be like, I don't know, gas is expensive.

00:34:32.000 Vote for the other guy.

00:34:33.000 Economic populism in this sort of modernity is both an explainer and a predictor, accurately, who captures the economic spirit of the people the best.

00:34:44.000 A future project I've finished that's going to be coming out with Rich Barris, director of Big Data Poll.

00:34:49.000 The subtitle of that is What the Polls Say Young Americans Really Want.

00:34:53.000 And there's a sort of a fork that we're saying.

00:34:57.000 We talk in the book largely about the revolutionary spirit of under 30s and that they want to sort of just burn the whole system down because the establishment of either side has not given us what we wanted. 0.53

00:35:06.000 And that fervor, unfortunately, is being vastly better appealed to by the, we like to, we've turned them the neo Bolshevist left. 0.68

00:35:16.000 People burn it down, destroy it, do away with what's been done before.

00:35:20.000 You know, I think more and more, I feel like I was a bit naive.

00:35:27.000 Which is interesting to say because having been in this business for so long, but it really is fascinating to see the Kirk posters and Israel posters.

00:35:36.000 These people who flip on a dime, right?

00:35:38.000 The example that I've been using lately is Tucker Carlson, how he's like, you know, he did that show with his brother and he's like, I'm tormented.

00:35:44.000 You know, I'll be tormented for having supported Trump and I apologize for misleading people.

00:35:48.000 I didn't do it intentionally.

00:35:49.000 And then his brother goes, maybe that Miriam Madison money, you know, came with something attached or whatever.

00:35:53.000 And then he laughs because the truth is literally everybody in the world knew what Miriam Madison's support for Trump financially was.

00:35:58.000 Meant.

00:35:59.000 It meant pro Israel. 0.72

00:36:00.000 The reporting from various liberal outlets as well as corporate news was that the string attached was she wanted Israel to annex the West Bank.

00:36:09.000 And that in exchange for $160 million into PAC supporting Trump, Trump would be president.

00:36:14.000 He'd advocate for those things.

00:36:16.000 Trump in his first term moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

00:36:18.000 Donald Trump killed Soleimani.

00:36:20.000 Donald Trump has been incessantly pro Israel.

00:36:22.000 For people now to act like they had no idea this was the case is a lie.

00:36:26.000 It is a lie.

00:36:27.000 So there are these, to see so many of these commentators.

00:36:32.000 Who got on the Trump wagon, now all of a sudden getting on the Kirk Post Israel anti Trump wagon.

00:36:36.000 I'm just like, to your point, I actually don't think anybody really knows what they're after.

00:36:43.000 They're just dogs chasing cars and they wouldn't know what to do if they ever actually caught one.

00:36:47.000 Like, if you had the power to retrofit the economy, how would you do it?

00:36:47.000 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 Everybody say their way.

00:36:53.000 Well, my point is.

00:36:55.000 I think a lot of people are spinning right now.

00:36:57.000 They don't know the Trump admin doesn't have.

00:36:59.000 Let me tell you this.

00:37:00.000 They have a message for economic prosperity.

00:37:03.000 They have.

00:37:04.000 We're going to make it a little less worse with making oil, hopefully, down to where it was a year ago.

00:37:08.000 And the point I was trying to make is that I'll give you an example. 0.60

00:37:11.000 A woman has a viral video where she said that she used to be a member of Turning Point and supported them until she found out our country was secretly controlled by a foreign government.

00:37:21.000 And it's like, okay, that's not true.

00:37:23.000 You don't now think that.

00:37:25.000 You were just saying that because you're not going to get any social media attention or clicks otherwise.

00:37:29.000 Yeah, it's a supply and demand problem.

00:37:31.000 Same thing with SPLC, it's SPLC and racism and whatnot in America.

00:37:35.000 Is you have to manufacture the content to then talk about it or fundraise off of it or make money off of it.

00:37:40.000 And while the supply of political or the demand for political content, controversial political content, tends to be lower in the off season, so then you need to supply.

00:37:50.000 You're a product in search of a market.

00:37:52.000 Well, so what ends up happening though is the left has been anti Israel, anti Trump.

00:37:57.000 All of a sudden now, there were conservatives and moderates in this space who were pro Trump and Israel ambivalent, maybe anti foreign funding for governments or whatever.

00:38:07.000 Now they may as well be identical to.

00:38:10.000 They hate Trump and they hate Israel and they used to be Trump voters.

00:38:10.000 The Young Turks.

00:38:13.000 Not everybody, but there's a fair amount.

00:38:15.000 I mean, Tucker Carlson is a great example of somebody who basically sounds like Anna Kasparian.

00:38:22.000 Seriously, he's saying exactly the things she says on Young Turks and Cenk Uecker, which is kind of surprising.

00:38:29.000 Tucker may as well be the same.

00:38:31.000 They're getting views from it.

00:38:33.000 And their audience is now being pulled in that direction as they attach themselves to the audience of Jimmy Dore, Anna Kasparian, Cenk Uecker.

00:38:39.000 I see why they're coalescing.

00:38:41.000 I don't know.

00:38:41.000 I don't watch their shows.

00:38:43.000 Inherently, but that when the Americans attacked the Iranians, you know, a month and a half ago or whatever, a month ago, I guess, it was at the discretion of the direction of the Israelis.

00:38:52.000 They were like, the Israelis started a war that we then became at war because another country did it.

00:38:59.000 Let me issue some caveats because you're half correct. 0.98

00:39:01.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:39:03.000 Marco Rubio said, Israel told us they were going to go in, and if they did, we knew we would get attacks from Iran, so we decided we would go in with them. 0.87

00:39:13.000 That is a fair point that Israel decided to jump the gun. 0.83

00:39:17.000 And the US was basically like, okay, well, then we're in this.

00:39:20.000 That being said, if you take a look at the military operations leading up to what Israel planned to do, I think it's fairly obvious the US was planning on going to Iran.

00:39:28.000 The aircraft carriers were already en route.

00:39:30.000 And we took Venezuela and surrounded Cuba.

00:39:32.000 So it looked like, and we already knew this, the US was gearing up for some kind of action in the Gulf.

00:39:38.000 Then Israel makes a move, and the US says, okay, we're going in.

00:39:41.000 You think of it as like a military action, unified military action, joint operation, that the Israelis probably had some info, and they're like, yo, we can't wait.

00:39:48.000 We get 140 of their top leaders right now if we go.

00:39:51.000 We're going.

00:39:51.000 50, but they got them.

00:39:52.000 Yeah.

00:39:53.000 And like, yeah.

00:39:53.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 And I mean, also, the reason Iran has the leverage to hit U.S. assets is because we've already sort of put a pincer in on Iran for decades now.

00:40:01.000 I mean, all these different foreign entanglements we've ended up in the Middle East. 0.62

00:40:04.000 In addition to that, yeah, built up the largest armada like in American history right on Iran's doorstep.

00:40:09.000 So it's like, although it's true that Israel jumped the gun, it's not like we were just sitting at home and we had the scramble. 0.72

00:40:13.000 It's like, no, all of our assets are in place already.

00:40:15.000 We have permanent assets.

00:40:16.000 And then obviously the Navy coming in.

00:40:18.000 That delves another state of mind.

00:40:20.000 You know, the question of like, why are we, what is the plan in Iran right now?

00:40:24.000 And I mean, how many people, like Cliff, you were saying on the pre show, how many people are like potentially reticent?

00:40:29.000 I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like reticent to vote for the Republican Party after that, basically, no new wars war.

00:40:34.000 Well, I think that we're the deadline for when things have to be resolved or there has to be some sort of win or victory politically.

00:40:42.000 I'm saying we only have six months till the election.

00:40:46.000 And everybody thinks it's like, oh, well, if we get things fixed by September, no, you got to have it fixed by June.

00:40:53.000 So that the gas prices can come down and people can feel it coming into September and October.

00:40:58.000 I don't know about June because people have short term memories and short attention spans.

00:41:04.000 It maybe would have been June a decade ago or two decades ago.

00:41:06.000 I think at this point it's probably September.

00:41:09.000 Yeah, but people are voting in September now. 0.96

00:41:12.000 That's a fair point, too.

00:41:13.000 There's also the consideration of Trump's executive actions.

00:41:15.000 And what one trust the planner said to me is that have you ever asked yourself why Trump's not worried about the midterms?

00:41:24.000 And, you know, as if to imply Trump's got a secret plan.

00:41:27.000 My response, of course, is yes, I have asked that question, and there's a few answers. 1.00

00:41:31.000 He's really dumb. 1.00

00:41:33.000 I typically don't think Trump is a really stupid guy. 1.00

00:41:35.000 He's resigned himself, so he's taking tremendous action now, knowing he will be curtailed in the future. 0.99

00:41:42.000 Or perhaps he has some kind of plan related to executive orders.

00:41:45.000 I don't know.

00:41:46.000 So it could be any one of these things.

00:41:48.000 The trust of the planners are like, Trump's got a secret plan right before the midterms.

00:41:53.000 You're going to pull something off.

00:41:54.000 And the executive order instructing the Postal Service not to deliver mail in ballots is interesting, and it will create a speed bump.

00:42:01.000 I don't know if it'll be a roadblock.

00:42:04.000 But at least a speed bump, meaning there might be people at the post office who say, Hey, man, I'm not getting involved in that.

00:42:09.000 Like, I don't want to get in trouble.

00:42:11.000 They'll come after me.

00:42:11.000 Yeah.

00:42:12.000 The plan, trusting when it comes to Iran, is kind of crazy because it's like, what's the fake out here? 0.62

00:42:16.000 We've like executed on a 30, 40 year operation now to go to war with Iran. 0.58

00:42:19.000 Like, it's the most predictable war and record. 0.64

00:42:21.000 It's just a matter of what you have.

00:42:23.000 That's the trust, the plan side.

00:42:25.000 The blunder side is like, listen, I'm going to say a few things.

00:42:31.000 I already mentioned Miriam Adelson.

00:42:33.000 So, Tucker Carlson and anyone else coming out and being like, I can't believe Trump supporting Israel is lying.

00:42:37.000 Because we all knew exactly what Trump meant.

00:42:40.000 He hired John Bolton.

00:42:41.000 He was pound with neocons the first time around, and we all knew it.

00:42:45.000 He fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.

00:42:47.000 He killed Soleimani.

00:42:48.000 He moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

00:42:49.000 We knew exactly what Trump was about the whole time.

00:42:52.000 So people coming out now being like, I can't believe this is happening, they are lying.

00:42:56.000 As for the Iran war and where we're at, these people who are now all of a sudden shocked that we'd been putting troops in the region that Trump said we would never allow them to have nuclear weapons, that we made moves against Venezuela.

00:43:09.000 These people are not serious when they're saying these things.

00:43:09.000 This is fake.

00:43:12.000 I think some of them maybe might have believed Trump at his word when he said, I won't get us into another war, maybe, which is like, duh, come on.

00:43:20.000 Are you serious?

00:43:21.000 That's only a technicality in that we all did argue that Trump was the anti war candidate because he didn't start a new war in his first term.

00:43:21.000 But still.

00:43:31.000 And he was the first president in my lifetime to do so.

00:43:33.000 But that being said, hiring John Bolton and taking money from Miriam Adelson, I'm not surprised that we're seeing this.

00:43:39.000 Not happy about it, but I'm not going to pretend to be tormented by it. 0.67

00:43:43.000 My point is this right now, you've got people, to your point about trust the plan, this is a 30, 40 year operation to go after Iran. 0.88

00:43:50.000 It's deep state, largely. 0.54

00:43:52.000 Whether or not Trump is aligned with them or he's doing it his own way, I don't know.

00:43:55.000 But there are people coming out now going, I don't even understand why we're doing it.

00:43:59.000 What?

00:44:00.000 Read literally anything from US military doctrine for 40 years, you know exactly why we're doing it.

00:44:04.000 Trump just took it over.

00:44:06.000 Again, I'm not saying it's good, but all of these people now coming out, They are lying.

00:44:11.000 And I want to say this to the little people too, not just high profile personnel.

00:44:15.000 I don't mean little people as an insult.

00:44:16.000 I mean the run of the mill people who are like, you know, Tim's an Israel shield or whatever.

00:44:24.000 Don't you remember on October 7th, we defended Israel?

00:44:27.000 Don't you remember I said, I'm Israel ambivalent.

00:44:29.000 I don't really care.

00:44:30.000 I care as much about Israel as I do about Tibet or South Sudan.

00:44:34.000 Don't you remember when I said, we should not be giving any military funding?

00:44:38.000 Fake. 0.99

00:44:40.000 They are liars. 0.97

00:44:42.000 We at this show, I as well as everybody here have maintained basically the same stance on everything pertaining to the Middle East warfare, Donald Trump the whole time. 0.95

00:44:50.000 We knew Trump hired Bolton.

00:44:51.000 We knew Trump took money from Miriam Madison.

00:44:53.000 We knew he said he'd go after Iran, not happy about it.

00:44:56.000 We knew it was a possibility and then it happened.

00:44:59.000 And we criticized the 12 day war.

00:45:01.000 And Charlie Kirk even said, we shouldn't do it.

00:45:03.000 And then when he did, he said, listen, I'll stand with my president on this one.

00:45:08.000 This is the measured, reasonable, honest approach.

00:45:11.000 Now you have all of these commentators.

00:45:14.000 Acting like all of a sudden they've been surprised by it. 1.00

00:45:16.000 No, they are grifters and they are liars. 0.92

00:45:19.000 One thing I want to add is that the frustration that we're seeing and hearing, particularly amongst under 35 or so, particularly under 40, but generally you see it more and more under 35, under 30, is what seems to be a misalignment between foreign policy of the United States and domestic policy. 0.95

00:45:36.000 And it seems like, why are we doing all these things over here?

00:45:39.000 We can't have that here.

00:45:40.000 Why is there progress over there or so much action over there?

00:45:45.000 I think it's a supply and demand issue.

00:45:46.000 In media, Trump nuked USAID.

00:45:49.000 One of the most consequential moves made in the benefit of the populist right in the history of this country.

00:45:56.000 I don't think, I think the challenge is you say Epstein, everyone knows the story.

00:46:01.000 It's salacious, high profile, it's international.

00:46:04.000 So they want a nuclear bomb on the Epstein stuff.

00:46:06.000 And Trump did not deliver, and that's bad.

00:46:09.000 However, USAID is substantially worse, not in terms of the crimes.

00:46:14.000 We all get Epstein did demonic things and worse.

00:46:17.000 I'm saying the scale of USAID cycling money through these various law firms, NGOs to create a Permanent political class and Trump nuked it off the map.

00:46:27.000 Massive.

00:46:28.000 They're trying to reform now in Virginia.

00:46:30.000 The deep state is trying to restructure.

00:46:33.000 People need to recognize the tremendous domestic victory that that was.

00:46:37.000 It's huge.

00:46:38.000 It's hard to believe it's invisible.

00:46:40.000 It's on a database.

00:46:41.000 It's like numbers.

00:46:42.000 It's not salacious.

00:46:43.000 We need to see something happen.

00:46:45.000 We need to see new roads.

00:46:46.000 Which is literally what I'm saying.

00:46:48.000 It is a supply and demand issue in media.

00:46:50.000 People don't understand USAID because it's hard to parse all of the networking and data points of the Permanent political class.

00:46:57.000 I think if you want to create a moral boost, you want to create a spectacle, like a public works or something.

00:47:04.000 I wonder, because if we are going to expend so much effort and money geopolitically to destroy and control, we really should be investing all those resources or a lot of them into the United States to make it like a spire.

00:47:16.000 Rather than try and seize what we need, build what's better and let them buy it from us.

00:47:20.000 Well, I'll say it again to Tate's point where people are claiming there's no plan despite this being like a 30, 40 year plan. 0.69

00:47:27.000 The It's fairly obvious what the effects are that's happening with the war in Iran.

00:47:33.000 That is, the U.S. has now become a net exporter of oil for the first time since World War II, one of the largest oil exporters in the planet.

00:47:41.000 China's been cut off, and East Asia is days away from being forced to drop their consumption to fuel minimum.

00:47:50.000 This is like a major story right now.

00:47:52.000 China, principally, in a few days will have to go into emergency distribution levels. 1.00

00:47:59.000 So, whatever you think Trump is doing or why he's doing it, by all means, again, you are allowed to say Trump's an idiot, you don't like him, and the plan's bad, fine. 0.98

00:48:05.000 I'm just saying, when you look at the results of Venezuela, Iran, and China, it certainly looks like something intentional is being done. 0.99

00:48:12.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.92

00:48:13.000 2028 comes along.

00:48:13.000 Here's my concern.

00:48:15.000 We get JD Vance.

00:48:16.000 I don't know who's going to be running.

00:48:17.000 JD Vance, Gavin Newsom, you know, a couple of high profile guys.

00:48:22.000 Can the Republican Party win without a promising, positive message for the future about some new technology, like a real Tangible change in people's lives.

00:48:32.000 I don't know if it can, if it's just back and forth, back and forth.

00:48:35.000 I don't see any other way than techno communism on the horizon.

00:48:38.000 It's kind of the problem with political movements.

00:48:40.000 You have a 14, 16 year cap, and we just saw this with Orban about 14, 16 years, that's when a new sort of slate of voters come in.

00:48:40.000 I agree.

00:48:47.000 They don't really remember what times were like before, let's say Orban, for example.

00:48:51.000 So they see what he's delivering.

00:48:52.000 They start to see the corruption set in.

00:48:53.000 They start to see these different things where you can kind of pick it apart and say, okay, let's get something new in.

00:48:58.000 That could happen with MAGA.

00:48:59.000 We go into 22.

00:49:00.000 And I'm not saying this will happen.

00:49:01.000 I'm just sort of saying this as a warning.

00:49:03.000 Is that as someone that believes in the viability of MAGA, going to 2028, all right, now the composition of voters is vastly different than 2016.

00:49:11.000 A lot of those people don't remember what things were like before then.

00:49:14.000 And they might just start to say, I don't know what this OMAC, I think there's some problems here.

00:49:16.000 And they start nitpicking.

00:49:17.000 And to your point, you're making a good point, is that there's kind of this tendency in the conservative commentary, especially to over intellectualize how voters think.

00:49:25.000 Like they have these deep motives.

00:49:26.000 Like with Trump, we do this with Trump, where they're like, it was about these different populist things going on.

00:49:31.000 And it was really like pocketbook stuff, especially with Biden.

00:49:35.000 The reason Biden got hammered for the most part is because oil was through the roof, gas was through the roof, especially.

00:49:40.000 Same thing happens going into the midterms is that, again, People are feeling the pinch economically.

00:49:43.000 That's going to be the primary reason why people don't show up or why they vote for the Democrats. 0.95

00:49:47.000 Now, we do have a golden parachute with Iran. 0.99

00:49:48.000 I mean, we saw today, I don't know if we're going to talk about it. 0.90

00:49:50.000 The UAE just bailed on OPEC.

00:49:52.000 I mean, again, this is, I'm sorry, if you don't like Trump, this is the U.S. system breaking an energy cartel and taking over.

00:50:02.000 And one potential hypothesis is that the liberal economic order or the new world order that H.W. Bush called it was adhering to OPEC and creating this global standard.

00:50:13.000 And Trump just smashed it with a sledgehammer and has put the U.S. on top.

00:50:17.000 Well, I mean, so you have the UAE bailing.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 The Saudis have been griping for longer than the Emiratis have.

00:50:22.000 So the Saudis will be out any minute now.

00:50:23.000 Venezuela is, you know, dethroned for the most part or, you know, they're incapacitated.

00:50:28.000 So oil is about to be dirt cheap.

00:50:31.000 If we can, again, take the off ramp here in Iran, that's a massive dub.

00:50:34.000 Going into the midterms, production will be back up.

00:50:36.000 Oil will be dirt cheap.

00:50:38.000 In addition to that, I mean, I don't know specifically, but, you know, there's an interesting comment.

00:50:41.000 I don't know if we talked about it on the show or not around the WEF, was Mark Carney, the prime minister of.

00:50:45.000 Canada came out.

00:50:46.000 This is a guy that's like a total New World Order apparatchik, as far as like this is a guy that really believes in the way the system works.

00:50:52.000 He's an internationalist, right?

00:50:53.000 He worked in England for years, et cetera, et cetera.

00:50:55.000 He came out and very somberly said, The world order as we knew it, the Western aligned American led world order is dead.

00:51:03.000 It's effectively every man for himself.

00:51:05.000 And I think that was like kind of one of the most underrated comments made this year because that's actually really incisive.

00:51:10.000 Grant, he's mourning the death of it, but for us, that just shows that Trump has single handedly completely upended the 21st century consensus.

00:51:19.000 That's what people elected him for.

00:51:20.000 So, all these people will like chess beat all day and post crusader edits, and they're like, we need to burn everything down.

00:51:26.000 And then, as soon as Trump starts to do that, everyone's like, all of a sudden has a problem with it.

00:51:29.000 And they start sounding like Mark Carney.

00:51:31.000 It's like, I agree.

00:51:32.000 I mean, I have a lot of criticisms of the Iran war.

00:51:34.000 Most of it is for separate reasons. 0.92

00:51:36.000 On the economic front, we've seen a complete rewiring of the way the world works.

00:51:40.000 Can somebody, if it knows a lot, explain what OPEC is briefly and then why it's a powerful thing or an important thing that UAE left OPEC?

00:51:48.000 It's effectively all the oil producers that are not Western nations.

00:51:52.000 Decided they would be able to put leverage on the West if they joined forces.

00:51:54.000 And what they do is they cap oil production quotas to artificially keep the price high.

00:51:59.000 Or the Saudis famously would start mass producing oil to damage prices.

00:52:04.000 The land man has a really good speech in it.

00:52:07.000 The show's fantastic, where I think it's Billy Bobby explains you want the price of oil.

00:52:11.000 I don't know if you guys have seen this.

00:52:12.000 He's like $70, $80 a barrel seems to be the right price point where we can produce it at a profit, but the American people can buy gas.

00:52:22.000 And not be constrained.

00:52:23.000 When the price gets too high, then, sure, well, we can make a profit off of that, but no one can actually pay for it, so it constrains the system.

00:52:31.000 If we can't, he's like, the profit margins might stay the same.

00:52:35.000 That's the problem with OPEC being able to tell the United States, screw you, we're going to dump and pump, or we're going to put a hold on it.

00:52:42.000 So Trump just nuked that whole system.

00:52:45.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 So what we have here is not a, this is what I believe, is that we don't have a plan problem, in my opinion.

00:52:51.000 We have a persuasion problem.

00:52:53.000 Whether it was with Doge and USAID or any of these foreign policy victories or the sort of the explanation required, it's not exactly been, at least not to my knowledge, it's not been compacted into a text free meme that captures the sentiment that then motivates under 30s to say, I'm voting for Republicans.

00:53:17.000 Well, I think the challenge is social media right now, the Erica Kirk stuff is a really great example of what appears to be an op.

00:53:27.000 The RPM on Erica Kirk content is as high as finance, which makes literally no sense as to why the algorithm would do that or why people would.

00:53:36.000 The alternative theory is that someone is intentionally putting millions of dollars behind the search term Erica Kirk, which makes no sense.

00:53:41.000 So.

00:53:42.000 Oh, I think I knew what.

00:53:43.000 No, it makes sense.

00:53:44.000 What's the number one podcast genre of all them all?

00:53:46.000 What's number one?

00:53:47.000 Rogan.

00:53:47.000 I don't know.

00:53:47.000 Number one listener.

00:53:48.000 True crime by women. 1.00

00:53:50.000 Indeed. 1.00

00:53:51.000 I think. 1.00

00:53:52.000 My hypothesis is that the Erica Kirk thing is content that's filling a niche of like this true crime hyperdrama that is largely listened to by women. 1.00

00:54:01.000 That's true, but that doesn't explain why advertising dollars are placed against her name. 1.00

00:54:06.000 It doesn't, if that were the case, then the ad rates should be low because of high volume. 0.95

00:54:12.000 So, if you, when you have these shows that talk about Erica Kirk getting tons and tons of views, that means competition against that term is high.

00:54:19.000 And that means everyone's bids go, or actually, it can go either way.

00:54:23.000 But if you have a massive volume of content, then the competition is low, meaning if I want to advertise on Erica Kirk, I've got 75 different podcasts to choose from.

00:54:32.000 So, I don't got to pay a high rate.

00:54:34.000 Finance is expensive because financial advisors are scarce.

00:54:38.000 There's very few high profile financial shows.

00:54:41.000 That means if a bank or wealth management company wants to advertise, not only is their customer base small because very few people need those services, but their choices in podcasts are small as well.

00:54:51.000 So you'll get, say, company A, company B, they both try to buy an ad for $100 on a podcast, and the guy says, Well, he's offered me $100.

00:55:02.000 What are you going to offer me?

00:55:03.000 He goes, 110, 120, 130.

00:55:06.000 How does that make sense for Erica Kirk? 1.00

00:55:08.000 What advertisers are being like, I will pay $100 per thousand for Erica Kirk related shows?

00:55:13.000 It does not make sense, especially with the massive amount of views she's getting.

00:55:16.000 Could it be similar for different reasons?

00:55:19.000 In what way?

00:55:21.000 If we could consider the demographic of finance content versus Erica Kirk content, who's actually watching it?

00:55:27.000 Who's the 25% viewer, 50% viewer, 75% viewer?

00:55:31.000 The issue with financial content, the ads are expensive because customers are going to spend a lot of money.

00:55:31.000 Right.

00:55:37.000 So if you're a wealth manager, for instance, A client for wealth management generates a lot of money for that firm, whereas, you know, selling a cheeseburger is going to be minimal margins.

00:55:46.000 So then, of course, the ads are worth a lot more and the inventory is a lot less.

00:55:51.000 The incongruity with Erica Kirk is that there's massive viewership on a term that doesn't sell a product.

00:55:56.000 Erica Kirk, as a search term, does not sell products.

00:56:00.000 So I will just say this this is the internal reporting and inside baseball conversations I've had with other people who produce content, explaining how videos they've done referencing Erica Kirk generate more money in a critical sense than content in other areas.

00:56:14.000 Which does not make sense in my experience.

00:56:17.000 It would imply that someone is intentionally going on Google Ads and saying, I'm going to spend $10 million on things related to Erica Kirk, which I don't get.

00:56:26.000 The other argument, however, is that advertisers are not doing it and that YouTube has intentionally weighted their algorithm to shift ad dollars in that direction.

00:56:35.000 There is a non conspiratorial argument that content related to Erica Kirk is just, to your point about true crime, it has a higher retention rate and sells more lipstick.

00:56:45.000 And maybe YouTube unintentionally is like, if we're getting more clip through and we're selling more ads and they're competing like crazy.

00:56:54.000 But I got to be honest, that's not the simple solution.

00:56:57.000 The simple solution would be high volume content has cheap ads, not high volume content has high volume ads.

00:57:03.000 That does not make any sense.

00:57:05.000 Unless it's an op.

00:57:07.000 Perhaps. 1.00

00:57:08.000 Women are drawn to it. 0.96

00:57:09.000 But let's think about this with our conspiracy hats on, our tinfoil caps, our Alex Jones caps. 0.76

00:57:14.000 Did you just say our Timfoil?

00:57:15.000 Timfoil.

00:57:16.000 Oh, Tim did say Tim Foyle.

00:57:16.000 Tim.

00:57:18.000 New product.

00:57:19.000 That's how I remember it.

00:57:20.000 Thinking about Erica Kirk and selling the Tim Foyle.

00:57:21.000 Charlie Kirk is killed.

00:57:23.000 Who benefits? 0.99

00:57:25.000 I don't care if people think it was Israel.

00:57:27.000 I don't care if people think it was Tyler Robinson.

00:57:29.000 The uniparty establishment left.

00:57:32.000 Woke left.

00:57:33.000 Charlie Kirk got Trump elected.

00:57:35.000 Who benefits from destroying Erica Kirk now?

00:57:37.000 The same group of people.

00:57:39.000 Erica Kirk has taken over Turning Point USA and is trying to run what is left of Charlie's legacy, which.

00:57:46.000 Rallies young people to vote Republican, and it is being destroyed by two things.

00:57:53.000 One, prominent personalities who flipped in a dime and are trying to tear it down, but also a YouTube algorithm that is promoting attacks against Turning Point.

00:58:02.000 Who would benefit from making other people get pissed off at that content?

00:58:07.000 Like, it just feels like a form of.

00:58:08.000 Have you guys seen the new Kirk conspiracy?

00:58:11.000 There's a new one.

00:58:12.000 At the White House Correspondence Dinner, somebody was filming on their cell phone.

00:58:16.000 Erica Kirk looks around and then looks at the camera.

00:58:18.000 And then looks away, they freeze frame her glancing at the camera and they put, she knew.

00:58:23.000 Not kidding.

00:58:24.000 Now it's going massively viral that because she, someone filmed on, because at the dinner somebody was filming the room and she looked at the camera, they go, she knew.

00:58:32.000 I swear.

00:58:33.000 It's because people, like most of my friends, don't know who Erica Kirk is, to be honest.

00:58:33.000 What?

00:58:37.000 And I think it's because they want people that are tightly wound and that know what's going on politically, that have the momentum, like Mike Cerno, you know, you, Tim.

00:58:45.000 They want those people to be talking about Erica Kirk, which no one will identify with in the general election or in the midterms.

00:58:50.000 People be like, what is that?

00:58:51.000 When we should be focusing on.

00:58:53.000 Fixing the economy, changing the economy, giving people hope, being a lighthouse.

00:58:57.000 I talk about this and I want to talk about it in a non facetious way.

00:59:00.000 I really, if you guys think this is possible, because you have a book about people going right, about people becoming more conservative, empowering, I don't know, the Republican Party, I imagine, involving the Republican Party.

00:59:10.000 If we brought a message, I talk about graphene, a new technology, a 21st century fascinating technology, a potential new fuel source.

00:59:17.000 What's that?

00:59:18.000 It is 20th century, but we're making it 21st century great again.

00:59:18.000 Pretty sure it's 20th century.

00:59:21.000 The coat of paint.

00:59:22.000 If we did that, would it be enough?

00:59:24.000 Is that enough?

00:59:24.000 Is that exciting enough?

00:59:26.000 I have a question.

00:59:28.000 I have a question for Trump, his administration.

00:59:32.000 Why are they allowing this explosive anti Trump virality?

00:59:37.000 Trump tweeting against Tucker Carlson does nothing effective.

00:59:40.000 We talk about how going after Comey is fire with fire, but the Trump administration is certainly not doing what the establishment left did, putting pressure on social media companies.

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:49.000 Well, and that's the most frustrating part. 0.99

00:59:50.000 I mean, kind of to what we were talking about with Iran, is the happiest. 1.00

00:59:54.000 I mean, this is like, If you're a young person, it's very demoralizing because, okay, you have the first prong, which we've talked about, kind of the way that, you know, the social media, you know, sphere is operating right now.

01:00:04.000 But then, like, you have, like, Mark Levin, John Potter, it's like these guys are like clapping, like, Seals.

01:00:08.000 Brett Stevens is in the New York Times, like, you know, a broken clock is right twice a day.

01:00:12.000 Trump got it right on Iran.

01:00:14.000 So you just see that, and you're like literally like the worst people in, like, the world, like, lining up to, like, endorse this action.

01:00:19.000 You just see that, and you're just like, that's, that's why, that's the, I think the fundamental issue is that you're just like rewarding, like, some of these people that hate your guts.

01:00:27.000 And that's what's especially frustrating about it.

01:00:30.000 And then you add that on top of what you're hitting on, which is absolutely what's going on these people that have flipped on Trump are operating in an incentive structure that has existed and rewarded people for 10 years now, which is if you attack Trump, if you hate Trump, you will be rewarded.

01:00:44.000 There's nothing like brave.

01:00:45.000 That's like the least brave position you can take is like attacking Trump.

01:00:48.000 We made the joke a couple years ago when I was pointing out that Brian Tyler Cohen has a channel and so is David Packman.

01:00:54.000 It's literally every thumbnail is a different screenshot of Trump and just some generic phrase like Trump did what? 0.97

01:01:00.000 Trump pooped his pants. 0.95

01:01:02.000 Trump shocks people. 0.98

01:01:03.000 Trump gets angry.

01:01:05.000 All just generic boomer bait.

01:01:07.000 They're like, hey.

01:01:08.000 But my point is I was saying two years ago, we made the joke it would be so much easier just to go full anti Trump. 0.99

01:01:14.000 And just soak in all those retard views and make a ton of money. 0.95

01:01:17.000 Well, it looks like some people have decided to do that. 0.96

01:01:18.000 Yeah, if I think about it from the mindset of like a Swiss banker is like, I got to get these Americans, we got to get this American thing gone so that we can corporatize the world.

01:01:27.000 If I can get their political elite, and I'm talking about you, Tim, if we can get the people that actually know what's going on politically to fight each other and ignore the globalist technocracy enroachment, that would be a win.

01:01:39.000 Because people like Tim, like we need you focusing on the big picture, not Erica Kirk. 0.89

01:01:44.000 It's fucking freaking me out. 0.72

01:01:45.000 So, That's where I think it's coming from, anyway. 0.96

01:01:49.000 I want to go back to one of Tim's points that I didn't really understand when you were saying it, but the USAID stuff and them drowning that out.

01:01:57.000 You guys asked, do we have a shot in 26 or 28 on the Republican side?

01:02:01.000 The ramifications of all of those NGOs and all the nonprofits, the 501c3s, the 501c4s.

01:02:09.000 I mean, we're seeing it now.

01:02:10.000 Were they winning elections in 25 and specials this year?

01:02:13.000 Yes.

01:02:14.000 But they don't have the type of resources and money.

01:02:17.000 I mean, this is the important thing to understand about USAID and the massive victory that Trump secured with this.

01:02:22.000 Billions of dollars were funneled through USAID to various nonprofits and NGOs who would then make contributions to other NGOs who would pay the salaries of prominent lawyers and make donations to political action committees who would then create a permanent political class in the United States.

01:02:41.000 Trump got rid of that.

01:02:43.000 Now they are in Virginia and they just put five congressional districts in Fairfax County.

01:02:49.000 Did you see the Supreme Court?

01:02:50.000 Oh, and he told them we're not going to put a stay.

01:02:52.000 We're not certifying this until we hear on the actual merits.

01:02:56.000 So the deep state is trying to strike back.

01:02:58.000 And I would say it looks like these social media platforms are completely in line with the old guard trying to stop Trump still.

01:03:08.000 I don't think you need a conspiracy for that.

01:03:09.000 I just think you simply need ideological alignment.

01:03:12.000 One of the next books I have coming out later in the year, with, of all people, speaking of Doge and USAID, is Data Republican.

01:03:18.000 Everybody loves Data Republican, right?

01:03:19.000 She's great.

01:03:20.000 And what we talk about in the book is that the unelected managerial class, we call them the NGO administrative complex, the ideology, the philosophy that they hold to at its core is something called supranationalism, which is this idea that you are a, you've all heard this before, citizen of the world.

01:03:38.000 They take that absolutely literally.

01:03:41.000 If you look at their ideological writings and what is it they're devoted to, it's this idea, we can call it like late stage liberalism or classical liberal maximalism.

01:03:50.000 It's this idea that Every human everywhere on earth is equal.

01:03:55.000 Those who are oppressed are entitled to more mercy than those who are not.

01:03:59.000 Therefore, we need to focus our efforts on those populations around the world that have less access to democracy.

01:04:05.000 All democracy building under the conservatives didn't work. 0.78

01:04:08.000 Let's bring them here. 1.00

01:04:09.000 So, the mass migration of third worlders into the United States and into the Western world is a direct result of supranationalism. 0.99

01:04:16.000 And that same ideology is in order to protect this global democracy, which when they say our democracy, more so what they mean is. 0.97

01:04:25.000 Our power to provide democracy to the third world into places that we believe don't have it.

01:04:33.000 That's what they mean when they say our democracy. 1.00

01:04:37.000 And therefore, they need to have power, elected or unelected or not.

01:04:41.000 And so, to President Trump's credit by the Doge Project and the revelation that this is being put on, I wonder if Trump's gambit is that they cannot win without the NGO industrial complex.

01:04:57.000 So, after USAID was dismantled, Lee Zeldin exposed something like $7 billion awarded to a nonprofit that was formed only a month prior.

01:05:07.000 Very interesting how the government was funneling billions to liberal nonprofits this way.

01:05:12.000 The thing then is, you can clean that money up.

01:05:15.000 The belief is that this is how they would keep a cycle of your tax dollars in the political machine, propping up.

01:05:22.000 And it wasn't just Democrats back in the day, it was the uniparty establishment.

01:05:28.000 It was Republicans and Democrats.

01:05:29.000 Trump gets in the Republican side, and those guys jump to the Democratic Party.

01:05:34.000 So that could be massive, and we will see.

01:05:37.000 What happens this midterm?

01:05:39.000 I think we might be shocked based on the media has been largely crushed.

01:05:44.000 It's become decentralized, hyper partisan nonsense.

01:05:47.000 So no one really knows what is or isn't.

01:05:50.000 And USAID is gone.

01:05:52.000 There is a possibility, although I'm going to say it right now, guys, I fully expect Republicans to lose.

01:05:56.000 But in the event they actually win, I would go, wow, the USAID stuff, the manipulation was crazier than we realized.

01:06:02.000 Seems like they're moving to crypto pretty fast now.

01:06:04.000 I think that's the way out of the, what do you call it, the Federal Reserve System, is to start up a US banking central bank.

01:06:10.000 Currency, which is terrifying because it's on a blockchain to be tracked.

01:06:13.000 You know, trackable money is pretty antithetical to the freedom of movement.

01:06:17.000 What does that have to do with what we're talking about?

01:06:18.000 Well, that's how the government is now that they've smashed up USAID, they're going to try and transition away from this old world, new world order into a new new world order that's going to be an American led technocracy is through crypto.

01:06:28.000 But what does that have to do with the government had an apparatus that took taxpayer dollars and gave it to Democrats?

01:06:34.000 USAID was a Federal Reserve system thing, it was an old guard financial.

01:06:38.000 I think what you're saying is that it did what the argument is well, that system did not have enough.

01:06:43.000 Power, there was a single gate that if you close it, the treasury, I think that's how Mustang is on it.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, but crypto's trackable.

01:06:49.000 I mean, if they go to Bitcoin or CBDC, there's a public ledger.

01:06:54.000 If they do a Fed coin and the ledger is still privately held, then one could argue that, like the Federal Reserve, will never audit it, perhaps.

01:07:01.000 But then you're just arguing nothing changes.

01:07:04.000 The structure changes, but the system stays the same.

01:07:06.000 The Federal Reserve reports to the Swiss Bank for International Settlements.

01:07:10.000 So we'd be off that.

01:07:11.000 I mean, maybe we wouldn't be, but.

01:07:13.000 You're saying Trump is trying to break out of that system.

01:07:15.000 I think so.

01:07:16.000 I think that's his ideal.

01:07:17.000 But he might be in their pockets.

01:07:19.000 That's why, didn't he just recently say crypto is the future and he's going to protect it?

01:07:23.000 That would be interesting if he breaks the liberal economic order, swift payment system, all that stuff by switching to a decentralized crypto network.

01:07:30.000 Yeah, they wanted Ripple to be the global currency, I think, but it looks like it's going to be Bitcoin.

01:07:35.000 Well, we don't know yet.

01:07:35.000 Bitcoin's always going to be the gold.

01:07:38.000 Yes, this is why I do hold out a little bit of hope for the midterms, is because of what you just said.

01:07:44.000 I mean, we're talking, you said $7 billion just for that one organization, right?

01:07:48.000 This is hundreds of billions of dollars.

01:07:50.000 We used to have the Democrats would always have these ballot chasers and door knockers, and they would never go home.

01:07:56.000 Like, they would never not be in the field.

01:07:58.000 And we know we run these programs.

01:08:00.000 We know what it costs to keep 30 people in a congressional district for two months is extremely expensive.

01:08:07.000 Now they're there for 24 months.

01:08:09.000 Like, they don't even leave when the election's over.

01:08:12.000 So I am excited to see how much does it deplete them.

01:08:15.000 And that's what, you know, like I said, I have a little bit of a glimmer of hope that maybe they hold on in the midterm.

01:08:20.000 Talk about your guys' book if you guys are into it.

01:08:23.000 I'd love to just ask you, what is it?

01:08:24.000 Like, what's in it?

01:08:25.000 What is the impetus of this thing?

01:08:27.000 Yes.

01:08:27.000 So, this is 18 steps to go from basically rage posting on Twitter to making your values the law.

01:08:34.000 No, I don't want to do that.

01:08:35.000 On Twitter.

01:08:35.000 I want to rage post on.

01:08:36.000 I don't want solutions.

01:08:37.000 I want to be angry.

01:08:38.000 I want to do both.

01:08:39.000 Let's go.

01:08:40.000 What's the plan?

01:08:40.000 How do we do it?

01:08:41.000 18 steps.

01:08:41.000 Yes.

01:08:42.000 So, the quick rundown on the process of writing this is how it is typically with my co authors on these projects there's some sort of initial source of the data.

01:08:52.000 So, of course, Cliff has been teaching this stuff, we're doing workshops for years.

01:08:55.000 So, he's got the slideshows, he's got the notes, he's got time on the phone with me.

01:08:59.000 And so, what I did is like kind of compiled the structure of how do you go from, hmm, I'm thinking about running to, Holy bleep, I actually just won.

01:09:10.000 What is the step by step with no step skipped process?

01:09:12.000 What is the system that you can repeat across districts, across elections, local, state, federal, to actually win?

01:09:20.000 Yeah, we do candidate academies, and people always laugh, but I spend most of my time trying to talk people out of running for office because we don't like people that run, waste their time, waste their money.

01:09:31.000 And it's like a lot of people that are like, hey, I want to do good, I want to get involved, I'm pissed off on Twitter, and I was watching Tim Cass, and those guys are nuts.

01:09:39.000 So I want to go and I want to actually run for office.

01:09:43.000 They have no idea what they're walking into.

01:09:45.000 And the number one way that people fail is they think that they're going to go out and they have the perfect message.

01:09:50.000 They don't have any money.

01:09:52.000 And this political game, I walk through all the different fundraising and kind of the dollars you need to be able to raise, not because I like that, right?

01:09:59.000 It's kind of grimy, it's sleazeball y.

01:10:01.000 Nobody likes to raise money or beg people for money, but that's what the establishment has.

01:10:06.000 They have all of these pots of money.

01:10:08.000 And if you're a grassroots candidate trying to raise dollars, it's practically impossible.

01:10:13.000 So, what is the money for?

01:10:14.000 This is a bit of a tangent if you had something else to say, Josh, but the money, what is the money for?

01:10:17.000 Because I see like a YouTube channel with 1.3 million subscribers where you get half a million views on a video every night.

01:10:22.000 You don't need money.

01:10:23.000 You've already got what money would get you.

01:10:25.000 That's not correct.

01:10:26.000 But are you saying that the money gets you even more?

01:10:29.000 Like, what's the money for primarily?

01:10:30.000 This is a misconception.

01:10:31.000 The presumption that half a million people are going to get you there.

01:10:33.000 No, you need 100 million, 70, 80 million.

01:10:36.000 That's true.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:37.000 The scaling is important.

01:10:38.000 But the money really is used to buy publicity, is my suggestion.

01:10:42.000 Look, if you were to tell me when to run for Congress, okay, most people, if they were to be polled, For name ID in their district, okay, if you poll the actual people that are going to vote, they're going to have 0% name ID.

01:10:42.000 Yes.

01:10:56.000 That's most people.

01:10:57.000 The amount of money it costs, let's say you're in a Republican primary, 80,000 voters are going to vote.

01:11:01.000 The amount of money it's going to cost for you to go from 0% name ID to having a chance to win in an open race, you're not going against an incumbent.

01:11:11.000 I mean, we're talking $8 to $10 million is what you, if you ran as a patriot, would have to spend.

01:11:17.000 I'm in the wrong business.

01:11:18.000 Because this is the playbook from the establishment, okay?

01:11:21.000 If somebody runs, it's a yes man, they don't run the playbook because they're on the team, right?

01:11:26.000 They're there for Mike Johnson, et cetera.

01:11:28.000 They're not going to cause, they will do what they want them to do.

01:11:31.000 But they need to bring the name I need.

01:11:32.000 They need to bring the name I need.

01:11:34.000 Can I charge congressional candidates money to come on this show?

01:11:36.000 I don't know.

01:11:38.000 They'd have to pay it through their campaign, but not through their official dollars, but yes.

01:11:42.000 So, like, the campaign would pay, it'd be like, it's 100 grand if you want to come on the show.

01:11:42.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 That's free money because they do it.

01:11:46.000 Yes.

01:11:48.000 Yes.

01:11:48.000 It's funny.

01:11:49.000 But the playbook for them is if somebody that ran that was an actual Freedom Caucus person was a threat, They will spend between five to ten million dollars in the last two months of the race, all negative on the Patriot that's running.

01:12:03.000 Bro, this is what you're saying.

01:12:04.000 You know what's really funny is my thoughts on going from zero name recognition to widespread.

01:12:11.000 You know, when you mentioned how much that cost, I'm thinking zero.

01:12:14.000 Like, just look at Laura Loomer, right? 0.99

01:12:17.000 No one is better at earned press than she is.

01:12:20.000 But you're going to vote for Laura Loomer, though.

01:12:22.000 I'm not saying that people would vote for her.

01:12:22.000 No, no, no.

01:12:24.000 I mean, she did run.

01:12:25.000 What I'm saying is.

01:12:27.000 Her choice and how she got attention is her choice, but she certainly knew how to launch a nuclear bomb in the media and still does.

01:12:33.000 The point is, these candidates have no idea how to do it, so they have to go to someone like Laura and pay her and say, How can I get people to recognize my name and hear about this?

01:12:40.000 But there are some people who don't need to do that.

01:12:42.000 Some people just know how to get it.

01:12:43.000 Let me give you AOC is good at it.

01:12:46.000 But the difference is, you know, growing a huge following.

01:12:46.000 Right, right.

01:12:50.000 And like if I said to you guys, How many people in Massey's district are listening to the show right now?

01:12:56.000 17?

01:12:56.000 17.

01:12:57.000 And you'd be, that might even be high, right?

01:12:57.000 Yes.

01:12:59.000 Just because of how you look at it. 0.79

01:13:01.000 But we love Massey.

01:13:03.000 The example in Missouri, Austin Peterson, he ran for Senate against Josh Hawley way back when.

01:13:10.000 Josh Hawley had 400 followers on Twitter, Austin Peterson had 120,000.

01:13:15.000 Josh Hawley beat him by about 60 percentage points.

01:13:17.000 Yeah, of course.

01:13:17.000 Because 120,000 is in Seattle and Chicago.

01:13:19.000 Because it's the money, right?

01:13:21.000 The establishment lined up and they spent tens of millions of dollars to get Josh Hawley's name, you know, and he just crushed the field.

01:13:28.000 In the state, right?

01:13:29.000 Correct.

01:13:30.000 AOC's recognition is outside her district.

01:13:33.000 Now it's national.

01:13:34.000 I mean, she's got a lot of recognition in her district, but 99% of the money that she and Ilhan Omar get come from outside their districts.

01:13:40.000 I want to shout out Thomas Massey, who's in a race right now, and I know there's a lot of money that's been put up against him.

01:13:44.000 You were saying earlier, like, I saw earlier he was winning 70% three weeks ago, and I'm like, Massey dominates everything he does.

01:13:51.000 He's super famous.

01:13:52.000 He's well lovable.

01:13:53.000 He's a great guy, genius on top of that.

01:13:55.000 Now you're saying because of the money that comes up, that it's a one point race?

01:13:58.000 Yeah, he put this out publicly, but he said it's a single point race.

01:14:03.000 That is going to be a huge battle.

01:14:05.000 May 19th is the primary.

01:14:06.000 So we're, what, about a month or three weeks out?

01:14:09.000 Actually, three weeks out today.

01:14:11.000 But yeah, it's millions of dollars that they're spending against him to try to kick him out.

01:14:17.000 So, what are the steps in this book or elsewhere that you take to defeat that?

01:14:22.000 I think the best way to think about this book is it's like a marketing funnel for a personal brand with a call to action B go to this place at a specific time on this day, and with your finger, however you do it, with a little checkbox next to my name.

01:14:37.000 So, if it's marketing, if it's sales, if it's PR, if it's whatever, that's actually what to do.

01:14:41.000 How do you go from don't know who you are to you're actually on the ballot?

01:14:45.000 You have a product to sell.

01:14:48.000 People feel good about the product because it's an identity based choice.

01:14:52.000 So, some of the early stages are actually about creating a persuasive message so that when people see your name on that ballot or they hear your name, they think, oh, yeah, he's the guy or he's the gal who.

01:15:02.000 These are these three issues that I think about in the constellation with their word cloud.

01:15:06.000 Imagine the word cloud, I think of the person's name, the word cloud of what words are on the person's name.

01:15:11.000 Oh, that's me.

01:15:12.000 That's what I believe in, stand for, and value and want in my county, country, city, state, et cetera.

01:15:17.000 I would say the biggest thing we're trying to do is stop wasting time.

01:15:21.000 There are so many candidates that just spend all this time.

01:15:24.000 They're looking at every single comment online, right?

01:15:27.000 And they're responding because they think everybody's seeing this.

01:15:29.000 And it's like, no, there's three people that saw that.

01:15:31.000 None of them are voting for you because they're friends with the opponent.

01:15:35.000 So this is like 10 years of just doing campaigns, take the lessons that I've learned and just trying to give it to people that are of the same ideological ilk.

01:15:45.000 To win.

01:15:46.000 You ever hear that saying, there's no such thing as bad press?

01:15:49.000 Yeah.

01:15:49.000 That's not true at all.

01:15:50.000 I know.

01:15:51.000 And I think you guys.

01:15:52.000 There's no way the call to action is. 0.96

01:15:53.000 If you're Laura Loomer.

01:15:55.000 There is absolutely such a thing as bad press.

01:15:57.000 And for the sake of the families listening, I will keep this.

01:16:00.000 I will just say, actually, I should say that for the after show, but I'll say, I would say it in a more crude way, but have relations with a pig in Times Square and tell me how the press did for you.

01:16:12.000 Are you telling me what to do again?

01:16:13.000 Well, huh?

01:16:14.000 There's such a thing as bad press.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:15.000 That is not true.

01:16:17.000 If, you know, if that pig guy, who was it who said yee haw or whatever and his career ended?

01:16:23.000 Dean or Howard Dean? 0.78

01:16:25.000 Howard Dean.

01:16:25.000 He went woo hoo or whatever and then like his career was over.

01:16:28.000 Good question.

01:16:28.000 So in this book, or in generally, do you inspire people to do like meme magic?

01:16:32.000 Like Trump be like, Lion Ted, you know, like a memorable catchphrase or a memorable catchphrase?

01:16:37.000 No, because a lot of, I mean, in certain cases, sure.

01:16:39.000 What should we say?

01:16:40.000 We say, You are not Donald Trump.

01:16:41.000 We have that line like, what, five times in the book.

01:16:43.000 You are not Donald Trump.

01:16:44.000 There's all these people think that they're going to run and they're going to win based on their X count.

01:16:48.000 And it's like they're not understanding that.

01:16:50.000 In a Republican primary, still one of the most, obviously, knocking doors is the most or the best ROI.

01:16:56.000 But direct mail, like all of us here, I mean, direct mail to us is a joke, right?

01:17:01.000 The average voter in a lot of these GOP primaries is 80 years old. 0.95

01:17:05.000 Yeah, we're screwed. 0.95

01:17:07.000 Think about it. 0.92

01:17:07.000 Because they're at what's called the mortality shelf. 0.92

01:17:09.000 So you can't count on those people for 2028.

01:17:12.000 That's why I wrote the book with Rich Barris about this exactly. 0.95

01:17:15.000 When the boomers are gone, the different before. 0.85

01:17:17.000 Fuentes, 2032 is what you're saying, right? 1.00

01:17:19.000 Yeah.

01:17:20.000 Well, we talked about a lot of that in the book.

01:17:23.000 Basically, like you talked about earlier about creating some sort of an on ramp to ascendant in your life and your career for Americans specifically.

01:17:29.000 We actually have a whole chapter, no, like three chapters just that in the book.

01:17:32.000 Nick and Rich Barris.

01:17:33.000 Nick addressed taking an abrupt vacation to Italy at the exact same time that Candace Owens did.

01:17:39.000 It was actually really funny.

01:17:40.000 He was like, How is it possible that when I decide to go to Rome, Candace Owens abruptly announces a last minute vacation to Rome at the same time and no one is going to believe me?

01:17:51.000 I thought that was really funny because, no, Nick, I don't believe you.

01:17:53.000 Like, there's no way that's a coincidence.

01:17:55.000 I love that guy.

01:17:56.000 Unbelievable.

01:17:57.000 I'm so glad I met him.

01:17:58.000 That's like what a world. 0.99

01:17:59.000 That's why it's tricky because it's like, look, there's so much frustration with the boomers, and I'll be the first person to state a lot of that, et cetera, et cetera. 0.82

01:18:07.000 But also, if you're just looking at it from a political perspective, the coalitions that the Republican Party is going to have to stitch together to win elections when the boomers die off are going to be a total disaster. 0.67

01:18:18.000 Like, if you think this coalition, the MAGA coalition, was like fractured, is fractured and was tough to stitch together, wait till you get to a generation that's like 50% white, like 20% Christian. 0.92

01:18:29.000 It's going to be a complete disaster.

01:18:32.000 Even right now, I think, have you guys been tracking this in polling trends for midterms? 1.00

01:18:37.000 The boomers are dying rapidly right now.

01:18:41.000 So, boomers are at life expectancy.

01:18:43.000 Where we are right now is entering what they call the mortality shelf.

01:18:46.000 When a generation reaches 79, or it's when they reach life expectancy, so if it goes up or down, but 79 is life expectancy on average for an American.

01:18:54.000 And boomers are now a little bit older than that.

01:18:57.000 So, I think actually Trump is the oldest boomer.

01:18:59.000 So, they are literally hitting right now what's called the mortality shelf.

01:19:02.000 We are expected to see something like more than half, maybe 60% of boomers will die off in the next five years, 10 years.

01:19:09.000 So, what appeals to the electorate?

01:19:10.000 It's going to completely reshape the electorate.

01:19:12.000 People don't understand.

01:19:13.000 I want to mention this too.

01:19:15.000 People think that when you sway people left and right, you're talking about, oh, Republicans are doing better.

01:19:23.000 They think this is largely a product of some guy sitting in his living room was like, am I a Democrat or Republican?

01:19:28.000 Well, I saw a commercial, I think I'll vote Republican.

01:19:31.000 And while that is something that matters for the most part, It is the generational values, is what the person had as a child.

01:19:38.000 The question people need to be asking if they want to win 2032 is what does a 15 year old right now think politically?

01:19:45.000 And I don't mean do they like Trump or not.

01:19:48.000 I'm saying what is their moral worldview?

01:19:51.000 Are they racists?

01:19:52.000 Well, then you have a big racist voting block.

01:19:54.000 Are they incels?

01:19:56.000 Are they anti feminist, pro feminist?

01:19:59.000 They are going to, in 10 years, not even 10, they're going to be voting in three years, but they're going to have an impact in 10.

01:20:04.000 So these elections that are coming up, you know, 2032.

01:20:08.000 Children, so I mean, we're looking at six years from now, a 12 year old today will vote in that election.

01:20:14.000 What do those?

01:20:15.000 Listening right now.

01:20:16.000 What is the moral framework right now that 12 year olds have?

01:20:21.000 I will argue this conservatives have substantially more children than liberals do. 0.95

01:20:27.000 However, they are bringing in substantially more illegal immigrants and non Americans.

01:20:32.000 So it may very well just be that in six years, you are going to have Nick Fuentes versus AOC.

01:20:39.000 I think what the Democratic Party realized sometime around the victory of Barack Obama, as a lesson from the 2008 victory, was his coalition of supporters was primarily ethnic.

01:20:50.000 And that if we promise these various ethnic and other interest groups the thing that they want, then it's relatively easy to get them.

01:20:58.000 And so I believe that's why the importation of voters, you're creating the birthright citizenship, you basically create something like a loyal coalition based on ethnicity or tribe or some sort of interest group.

01:21:09.000 Whereas Republicans have appealed to nostalgia.

01:21:12.000 Go to any county or city GOP group, 90% of all the people who show up are boomers.

01:21:20.000 At least two thirds of them are women, female boomers.

01:21:20.000 Yep.

01:21:25.000 And the main 10% are like guys under 25.

01:21:28.000 I want to give a shout out to Gabe Guittarini, for example.

01:21:30.000 He's with Turning Point.

01:21:31.000 He's been doing a lot of stuff in Ohio.

01:21:33.000 He lives in my town.

01:21:34.000 Follow Gabe Guittarini.

01:21:36.000 I believe he is something like the closest spokesperson to Generation Z men, specifically white men in America, that we have.

01:21:43.000 He has a sense of where we're coming.

01:21:45.000 I think there is going to be a massive white identitarian movement in the United States that is mainstream in the next maybe two. 0.84

01:21:52.000 Five to ten years, I would agree, except it seems astroturfed. 0.85

01:21:56.000 The more that these things are coming out with USAID, I think that whole race thing was kind of like intentionally. 0.59

01:22:02.000 Tate, what say you? 0.63

01:22:02.000 Do you agree with me? 0.63

01:22:03.000 Uh, it just there's a variety of factors.

01:22:06.000 I think that there's two problems with that emerging.

01:22:09.000 A lot of people like that I know are banking on that happening, but there's two problems is that one, settler colonies typically have a tougher time sort of building a movement like that.

01:22:17.000 Like these are actually you can find these in Europe, like throughout the continent, are like sort of identitarian movements. 0.94

01:22:24.000 The problem in the United States is twofold one, You still have more recent Ellis Islanders that identify with their core group. 0.91

01:22:30.000 I'm Italian, I'm Irish. 0.99

01:22:31.000 It's going to take a lot to make those people just identify as broadly white.

01:22:34.000 Those divisions still exist.

01:22:36.000 And two, if you look at other settler colonies who are further down the road, so to speak, like South Africa, yes, there are white identitarians there, but the vast majority of white South Africans are still committed to the idea of post racialism. 0.60

01:22:49.000 And they're 50 years ahead of us. 0.55

01:22:50.000 But I got to push back on that because the issue with South Africa is that by the time apartheid ended, it was 8% white, 92% non white. 0.81

01:22:57.000 Apartheid, and even then, they were still like living in places that all they could see around them was white people. 0.56

01:23:02.000 But what I'm saying by that is, again, as the white share decreases, that doesn't guarantee that like white people all of a sudden start to, you know, uh, I didn't say that I didn't say that all white people were going to come together and say we're white people, but say this would be a large white identitarian movement. 0.64

01:23:17.000 It could be, it's just I don't know if like them again, I don't know if the white share of the population means that people will start to like uh petition for their ethnic groups' interests necessarily because there's something intrinsic to white people where they just don't really do that.

01:23:30.000 I mean, you see this all across the west.

01:23:32.000 Now, again, that's what I mean.

01:23:33.000 We're both wrong.

01:23:34.000 It could change.

01:23:34.000 It was 12 to 13% white at the end of apartheid.

01:23:37.000 The peak was like 20% in the 1960s.

01:23:39.000 And then, yeah, by the time apartheid ended, I think, yeah. 0.52

01:23:42.000 So the issue with that is it's a fundamentally different system when you have the end of segregation in South Africa and the country is 12% white.

01:23:52.000 So the United States, it is, what is it, 69, 67% white right now?

01:23:56.000 It's like 55%.

01:23:57.000 If you don't count non Hispanic or Hispanic whites, or sometimes a little bit. 0.90

01:24:02.000 I think what you'll end up seeing is. 0.99

01:24:05.000 People are going to snap.

01:24:08.000 You know, again, a lot of people bank on, like, sort of, like, the silent majority sort of waking up and these sorts of things.

01:24:14.000 I'm not saying to bank on it.

01:24:14.000 I'm saying there are going to be, there literally are.

01:24:18.000 Look at Nick Fuentes.

01:24:19.000 Dude gets a million views on his podcast.

01:24:21.000 Yeah, bro.

01:24:22.000 These, bro, I am, again, not saying the majority of America is going to wake up one day as wedded Ontarians.

01:24:28.000 I'm saying there's going to be a large movement.

01:24:30.000 And I think it's probably cheap to say because there already technically is one, but I'm saying it's going to be more prominent in the political space.

01:24:35.000 Yeah, I mean, I could see like a sizable segment of the Republican Party probably does at least conceptualize it in that way.

01:24:43.000 They just don't vocalize it.

01:24:44.000 And I think what you're saying is that down the road, people will actually like express this movement.

01:24:47.000 I'm saying that when Nick, Is 36 or 40 years old, and he is a bigger following.

01:24:54.000 He is going to have a sizable chunk of voters that are. 0.91

01:24:58.000 I don't want to say that they're like the Groypers are like their core identity is white identitarian, but it certainly is an element of their political worldview. 0.95

01:25:08.000 I've watched Nick kind of de radicalize over since Charlie was killed, especially. 0.93

01:25:12.000 He's pretty cool.

01:25:13.000 His followers.

01:25:14.000 He outright said on this show when I asked him if every single person today in America woke up. 0.99

01:25:19.000 With the same values they had, pro America, singing songs, apple pie, but they were Indian, would that be good?

01:25:24.000 And he said it would be bad.

01:25:26.000 Like, white identitarian is an element of his worldview.

01:25:29.000 I'm open to that debate, but I've seen him chill.

01:25:32.000 So it might be that he's like the off ramp for 80,000 screaming, raging dudes that are like.

01:25:37.000 Well, didn't Charlie Kirk himself say that actually?

01:25:39.000 That if you replaced all white Christian Americans, or at least Americans with Indians who still had the same values and same Christianity, that that would no longer be America?

01:25:48.000 Charlie himself said that.

01:25:48.000 Did he say that?

01:25:49.000 Yeah, Charlie Kirk tweeted that.

01:25:50.000 Yeah, and that's not like a hateful thing to say.

01:25:52.000 That's just like a.

01:25:53.000 Understanding that, like, yes, the composition of the country changed, so it's not the same country.

01:25:58.000 It's like a very natural thing. 0.77

01:25:59.000 Yeah, and why I think it will happen is because I do think there has to be some response to this, like, drowning us in white guilt. 0.72

01:26:06.000 Yes. 0.63

01:26:07.000 And part of me thinks, well, maybe that was, you know, electorally we'd see it, but I think it still consists, there's still, it still continues.

01:26:15.000 There is this white guilt out there, and I think there's going to have to be some pushback. 0.92

01:26:20.000 I can't stand white people doing this. 0.99

01:26:22.000 The guilt was coming from SPLC, and it's like, You're getting a rash from like black mold, say. 0.98

01:26:26.000 If you freak out at the rash and you start scratching it because, like, white identity, we need to strengthen whiteness. 0.91

01:26:32.000 That's like, you got to remove the black mold. 0.99

01:26:34.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:26:35.000 White people go away. 1.00

01:26:36.000 Get out of here. 1.00

01:26:37.000 I'm the only one who gets a free pass. 1.00

01:26:37.000 You're all white. 1.00

01:26:39.000 See, Asians, let me tell you about Asia. 1.00

01:26:41.000 Japan, the Japanese are sitting around on their island and all these different tribes.

01:26:45.000 And then one Japanese guy goes, hey, you know what? 0.82

01:26:47.000 I just realized I am better intrinsically than the guys over the hill. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Let's go kill them. 1.00

01:26:52.000 So they get up and they kill them. 1.00

01:26:54.000 And then there's feudal warfare all over Japan.

01:26:55.000 And then Japan unifies.

01:26:57.000 And they have an emperor and all that stuff.

01:26:58.000 And then the guy goes, Wait, everybody, now that we're unified, you know what I realized?

01:27:02.000 We're better than them. 1.00

01:27:03.000 So they get on their boats, they go to Korea and just rape and massacre everybody. 1.00

01:27:06.000 The Koreans are getting mercilessly beaten and shot. 0.86

01:27:09.000 And then one Korean guy looks at the other Korean guys that are in chains and he goes, You know, you know what I realized?

01:27:14.000 We are all intrinsically better than them. 0.88

01:27:17.000 Each and every Asian culture is racially and ethnically supremacist to themselves. 0.98

01:27:23.000 And I'm half kidding about that being a good thing, but there is something to say about the Korean people outright saying, These people came and raped and abused us, and we are better than they are, and we adhere to a Korean identity. 1.00

01:27:36.000 And Japan, which, to be fair, they've opened the door to immigration, and there's a bunch of crazy stuff going on there. 0.97

01:27:42.000 But in America and in Europe, like in literally Europe, where white people are indigenous, you've got half the white people being like, I just plain don't like white people. 0.70

01:27:51.000 And I'm like, okay, well, you know what I don't like about white people? 0.64

01:27:53.000 How half of them hate the other half. 0.89

01:27:55.000 This is unsustainable for any civilization. 1.00

01:27:58.000 I'm not advocating that we go racial or ethnic supremacist like the Koreans. 1.00

01:28:01.000 Or the Japanese do. 1.00

01:28:03.000 I don't know if Japanese still do it, but Koreans certainly do. 1.00

01:28:05.000 The younger generations, less so. 0.97

01:28:07.000 But how do you sustain a nation by saying we suck? 0.83

01:28:11.000 And look, by all means, I don't care if America is mixed or brings in immigrants. 0.98

01:28:15.000 I am saying that white people in Europe and America, not all of them, are straight up just like we don't like ourselves. 0.77

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:21.000 I'm just going to tell you straight up that nation will not survive if half of its people hate themselves.

01:28:26.000 It felt like that under Biden, that administration was like, you need to apologize for your past ancestors.

01:28:33.000 And it doesn't feel like that under Trump.

01:28:36.000 So that's the upside.

01:28:37.000 And like you said, too, the young people, they kind of get, they see past it because they got the internet.

01:28:41.000 They see everybody of every color, every culture.

01:28:42.000 It's like, I don't know why.

01:28:43.000 They don't.

01:28:44.000 Well, sometimes they do with the internet.

01:28:45.000 No, the point is that Nick Fuentes is ascendant, bro.

01:28:49.000 What?

01:28:49.000 Nick Fuentes is ascendant among Gen Z.

01:28:52.000 He has a massive youth viewership.

01:28:54.000 He's a multiracial.

01:28:54.000 I've met a lot of these guys.

01:28:56.000 There's this meme that goes something like, amongst the race conscious of Gen Z, you don't have to be the same race.

01:28:56.000 He's a multiracial.

01:29:05.000 They just need you to be racist. 1.00

01:29:07.000 Something like that.

01:29:07.000 Sure.

01:29:08.000 And so.

01:29:09.000 Well, right.

01:29:09.000 Because these people, the trope among the left is that they all hate all other races.

01:29:16.000 When actually, this considered themselves race realist and would make the argument that individuals are fine if the individual has admirable characteristics.

01:29:23.000 However, certain races behave in certain ways.

01:29:26.000 I like that. 0.98

01:29:27.000 That's the theory I adhere to that there's genetic predispositions.

01:29:30.000 It doesn't mean that you're going to be a certain way, but that your genes will disappear.

01:29:33.000 Well, Nick has literally said this. 0.92

01:29:35.000 Nick has said he said that no honorable man would bring his wife and child to live near a black neighborhood. 0.98

01:29:42.000 That is not to say that individual black people are bad or inherently evil or criminals. 0.97

01:29:48.000 It's just that. 1.00

01:29:49.000 These neighborhoods have high crime, high poverty, and you shouldn't bring your children there.

01:29:53.000 And that's an interesting statement.

01:29:56.000 I say this because that's why he resonates with young people.

01:30:00.000 You know, it's funny.

01:30:02.000 Nick is from a couple miles west of where I grew up.

01:30:06.000 We grew up in very much the same place.

01:30:08.000 I completely understand everything he's saying when he talks about this stuff.

01:30:11.000 But I think the real argument is don't take your wife and child to live in a high crime, high poverty area.

01:30:17.000 That's the dishonorable thing to do.

01:30:18.000 And that there are some black neighborhoods that are not high crime, high poverty. 1.00

01:30:22.000 Well, it's actually the other way around. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Some black neighborhoods are not high crime, high poverty, but typically they are. 1.00

01:30:28.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:30:29.000 I'm not saying they are.

01:30:30.000 I'm not refuting the stats.

01:30:32.000 I'm just saying.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, because if you think about what black communities are, they're not arguing norms on exceptions.

01:30:37.000 And this is the point that people like about Nick and why they follow him is that all the people who follow him recognize that if you're in Chicago and you go into a black neighborhood, you are likely going to be in a high crime neighborhood and you're going to be threatened with violence.

01:30:51.000 This is like a well known thing for people who grew up in the area. 0.55

01:30:53.000 And he's from this area.

01:30:54.000 And then people like you, Ian, come out and say, no, no, no, some areas.

01:31:00.000 And then it's just like, Nick doesn't say that.

01:31:02.000 He literally just says to people, everybody knows it.

01:31:04.000 And he's right.

01:31:05.000 You go to the suburbs of Chicago, you go to the suburbs of any major city, and all the white people there are going to say the exact same thing Nick is, but they'll whisper it.

01:31:12.000 They won't say it out loud.

01:31:13.000 He says it out loud.

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:14.000 Like I grew up in Memphis, and then typically people wouldn't say it explicitly.

01:31:17.000 So they'd be like, yeah, the schools are really rough around there.

01:31:20.000 I don't want to live there.

01:31:20.000 Schools are like really rough.

01:31:21.000 They'd say there's a whole lot of churches, chickens over there.

01:31:24.000 I'm not a big fan of that restaurant.

01:31:25.000 And we know what they're saying when they say that.

01:31:27.000 You know, we do, in fact, have white identitarian enclaves in the United States, and they also are predisposed to possession of white guilt.

01:31:27.000 It's not even a joke.

01:31:35.000 You know what we call it?

01:31:36.000 We call it New England.

01:31:38.000 Indeed.

01:31:39.000 And they also gerrymandered all the Republicans.

01:31:41.000 99% white, 80% Democrat.

01:31:44.000 Maine.

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 Well, this is another meme.

01:31:46.000 How does this work out exactly?

01:31:48.000 I mean, I got to explain to you this.

01:31:49.000 I'm not saying this is correct, but I'm going to explain to you why people like Nick generate massive followings.

01:31:54.000 Many of these liberals started to make an argument in 2016, 17.

01:31:59.000 That Maine is the perfect example of how Democrats are not high crime.

01:32:04.000 That, you know, people like to say big cities are all run by Democrats and they run it to the ground with high crime.

01:32:09.000 And they go, Oh, yeah, explain Maine, which is 90 plus percent Democrat.

01:32:14.000 And then instantly, every single one of these gripers were like, You mean 98 percent white?

01:32:20.000 The same time, Kevin McInnes has this great point, this viral video where he invited this liberal woman to have a debate.

01:32:26.000 She had no idea who he was.

01:32:27.000 And then she's like, You know, Scandinavian countries are really low crime and really nice, and everyone's happy. 0.92

01:32:32.000 And he's like, Yeah, they're also the whitest countries in the world, like 90 plus percent white. 0.90

01:32:36.000 Why would you say that?

01:32:38.000 This is a point constantly brought up.

01:32:40.000 And I'm going to say it like this.

01:32:42.000 I grew up in Chicago.

01:32:43.000 Everybody knows it.

01:32:44.000 Everyone on the grandma knows at this point. 1.00

01:32:46.000 And everyone knows when you cross the street into a black neighborhood, there is a threat of violence, gangs, there's shootings. 0.96

01:32:53.000 It's not because an individual guy is black. 0.97

01:32:57.000 Those individuals who work hard and go to school, they leave.

01:32:59.000 We're friends with them.

01:33:00.000 But everybody knows you go into some of these, like Leclerc courts where I grew up.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, it was like you will get robbed, mugged, or shot.

01:33:07.000 That's just, yeah, don't go there.

01:33:09.000 So, what happens when you have a media apparatus of white guilt people being like, you can't say those things?

01:33:14.000 YouTube would ban you for having said this in 2017.

01:33:17.000 In fact, I think it was Tommy Robinson who got suspended on X for posting crime stats.

01:33:22.000 Yeah, you need to be able to say these things. 0.98

01:33:24.000 You need to be able to say, make the statement, which I disagree with, that it's the black people's color that is making them. 0.76

01:33:32.000 And then you need to have, you need to let them say it so that someone comes and says, actually, it's a correlation.

01:33:38.000 And then you can have the debate and figure out the nuances in racialism and race realism and, you know, racism and like, and to Nick's credit, he said, It doesn't mean an individual black person is bad or inherently a criminal or whatever, but as far as it matters for any individual person, is it meaningful to them when you say, don't judge the neighborhood based on the racial composition of it?

01:34:03.000 Is that going to positively or negatively affect them?

01:34:06.000 The reality is in Chicago, while it's fine to say that just because they're black doesn't mean they're criminals, I agree with that, but if you told someone, go into any neighborhood and don't let the racial composition sway you from believing it's safe or unsafe, Well, these people are going to walk in neighborhoods where they're going to get shot, killed, raped, stabbed, or otherwise.

01:34:24.000 It's kind of like a dude in the military in the combat zone explaining to a civilian what you got to look out for.

01:34:30.000 Like that kid who's carrying a basket, that, and the person's like, little kids?

01:34:35.000 You can't harm little kids.

01:34:36.000 Like, do you know what it's like living where I live in the battle zone?

01:34:39.000 And these dudes in the south side are literally facing life and death and feel like, hey, that gang, all those dudes have dark, you know, black skin, whatever, or whatever.

01:34:48.000 So you have to like save yourself. 0.89

01:34:51.000 You have to use root animal.

01:34:53.000 Assumptions to survive.

01:34:55.000 It's a sort of a neo tribalism.

01:34:56.000 It's a combat tactic, survival tactic. 1.00

01:34:58.000 That's why I respect, you know, the only people in this whole like leftist coalition I respect are like the gentrifiers because they're like pushing into bedstai and they're just like cannon fodder, just like going in there, just getting like mowed down all the time. 1.00

01:35:10.000 But they're like, no, I'm committed to this post racial thing. 1.00

01:35:12.000 Like, it's fine, guys, just trust me. 0.99

01:35:14.000 And they're getting like stabbed all the time with it.

01:35:16.000 Like, they're the only ones I respect that actually like believe what they say.

01:35:18.000 Everyone else like lives in Vermont or they live in West, like Westchester County.

01:35:23.000 Like, none of them put their money where their mouth is except for those brave few.

01:35:26.000 Vice riders who just like trudge and it's like the jaws of into the jaws of death painting, just like hopping off the Fulton Street station.

01:35:33.000 Just let's go.

01:35:34.000 I lived up on Cypress Hill for a while, yeah, yeah.

01:35:36.000 I lived in Brownsville.

01:35:37.000 I'm open, dude.

01:35:39.000 I was in Crown Heights, too.

01:35:40.000 That place, yeah, same.

01:35:41.000 You're like literally, like this is like talking to a Vietnam vet.

01:35:43.000 It's like, dude, what was my people?

01:35:44.000 I mean, they're all my people.

01:35:45.000 I lived in Mexico Town in LA.

01:35:47.000 What is that, like Melrose Hill?

01:35:48.000 I love it.

01:35:50.000 That's called Los Angeles, yeah.

01:35:51.000 I like, hold down.

01:35:53.000 Let me, let me, let me highlight this.

01:35:54.000 This is really, really fun.

01:35:55.000 I just want to read this to you.

01:35:56.000 I went on to our good friend ChatGPT and I said, Are black neighborhoods more dangerous in Chicago? 0.50

01:36:02.000 Short answer crime in Chicago varies a lot by neighborhood, and some higher crime areas happen to be majority black, but race isn't the cause. 0.65

01:36:08.000 Here's the factual breakdown. 0.55

01:36:10.000 Okay, I responded, I don't care what the cause is.

01:36:13.000 Short answer is what it says. 0.81

01:36:14.000 Some neighborhoods in Chicago that have higher crime rates are predominantly black, but not all black neighborhoods are high crime.

01:36:19.000 I said, I didn't ask if all black neighborhoods are high crime.

01:36:22.000 I'm asking if black neighborhoods have a higher crime on average than others.

01:36:25.000 Yes, in Chicago, neighborhoods that are majority black have higher average violent crime rates than majority white neighborhoods when you look at the data. 1.00

01:36:33.000 It sounds like an argument I would have with you. 1.00

01:36:35.000 And this is the point I'm making about someone like Nick.

01:36:38.000 A working class white guy in the suburbs of Chicago knows this. 0.63

01:36:42.000 He knows that if he walks into a black neighborhood, except for Hyde Park, which is very nice, he is likely going to get threatened. 0.78

01:36:49.000 He's going to get jumped. 0.99

01:36:50.000 He could be killed for his race. 0.97

01:36:53.000 Then he hears the TV, the media, and all these news outlets say it's not true. 0.87

01:36:56.000 He hears ChatGPT repeatedly, desperately try to claim it's not with circuitous answers.

01:37:01.000 This is why Scott Adams got canceled, by the way, is because he was explicitly saying this.

01:37:05.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:37:06.000 You can't say this.

01:37:07.000 And then Nick Fuentes laughs and says, everybody knows it's true. 0.77

01:37:10.000 And the white working class guy goes, yep. 0.63

01:37:13.000 The future of, let's say, race relations in the United States, most likely as the boomers who grew up with the end of segregation being this sort of humanitarian success story, this great celebration of integration and whatnot, as kind of their foundational myth.

01:37:29.000 As that generation dies off, we're having a return to tribalism because there are just so many tribes in the United States now via immigration and via the internet and everyone kind of forming into their tribe. 0.73

01:37:41.000 But what is likely to happen, I believe, is that white people included, Will begin to talk about themselves like black people talk about black people. 0.84

01:37:49.000 Just spend 15 minutes listening to any popular black podcast and the way that they talk about their own race and each other. 0.84

01:37:55.000 They're all identitarian. 1.00

01:37:56.000 That is the future of white people. 0.78

01:37:58.000 Nick Fuentes actually has a tweet about this, which is something like, white people are finally acting like everyone else. 0.90

01:38:04.000 Something like that. 0.60

01:38:05.000 That's likely what it is.

01:38:07.000 I think educated white people in the country tend to want to disassociate with any type of white supremacist group or movement or whatever because they tend to be just so cringe.

01:38:20.000 The founder has almost every square inch of his body with some sort of a tattoo on it and a criminal record, as about as varied as the number of tattoos.

01:38:29.000 And they're missing teeth, you know?

01:38:30.000 Yes.

01:38:31.000 And it tends to, I'm going to give you an example.

01:38:32.000 So, one of my projects right now is about Springfield, Ohio.

01:38:35.000 Nobody has written the book on Springfield, so I decided that I would help out my neighbor because Springfield was next door to me.

01:38:40.000 Shout out to Diana watching this from Springfield.

01:38:43.000 And there have been a number of groups that showed up there to protest largely the Haitian presence.

01:38:49.000 Depending on who you ask, there have been between 20 and as many as 34,000.

01:38:53.000 Haitians via an influx that occurred from 2021 to 2024, approximately.

01:38:58.000 And there were a number of groups that showed up, white identitarian groups or neo Nazis or skinheads or whatever you call them.

01:39:03.000 And one of their chants was something like, go back to Africa. 0.56

01:39:08.000 Haiti is not in Africa.

01:39:10.000 And that is everything that annoys the heritage citizenry of Springfield from their so called defenders from their own race. 0.87

01:39:20.000 And one particular gentleman, a minister I talked to, actually confronted and literally, physically ran.

01:39:27.000 White supremacist protesters out of town. 0.92

01:39:29.000 And they were calling him a race traitor and all this nonsense. 0.99

01:39:32.000 And he's like, We're here to defend you. 0.96

01:39:33.000 We're here to defend the white race. 0.86

01:39:35.000 And he goes, Did I ask you? 0.55

01:39:38.000 Did I ask you?

01:39:39.000 Do I need your help?

01:39:40.000 And there's that sort of everything about it is just get the F out of here, man.

01:39:45.000 Come on.

01:39:46.000 It's like making a bad situation even worse by just you being here and doing this when you don't understand what the actual issues are. 1.00

01:39:53.000 But the future, I believe again, is watch any popular black podcast.

01:39:57.000 And the young generation, the 12 year olds that you guys are talking about, who are going to be of age at the next election that we're discussing, they will talk about race the exact same way black podcasters do because for the first time they have exposure to it via viral clips and TikToks. 0.76

01:40:14.000 And one of the most popular black TikToks is this following subject White people be like. 0.72

01:40:21.000 And if you look at white people, let's watch it. 0.92

01:40:23.000 Just go to TikTok, white people be like. 0.96

01:40:25.000 And you will watch a few of those and you'll go. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Wow, I really am like that.

01:40:30.000 And then for the first time, teenagers are going to start identifying with their race and realize they're going to go like this. 0.71

01:40:35.000 They're going to go, I didn't realize it was white.

01:40:39.000 White people, kids, they're going to realize that you see me as white. 0.76

01:40:44.000 Hey, kids, come get a boy, Todd. 1.00

01:40:45.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

01:40:46.000 Yeah, this is like poison for children. 1.00

01:40:47.000 Yeah, shit. 1.00

01:40:50.000 Todd is the dickens out here today. 1.00

01:40:51.000 I don't know about this.

01:40:53.000 Let me show you hydrate, kids.

01:40:56.000 You know, it's not the heat.

01:41:00.000 Is this not true?

01:41:00.000 It's the humidity.

01:41:02.000 Is this not true about white businesses like Boomerang? 0.99

01:41:04.000 Hey, but don't you work too hard today. 0.92

01:41:06.000 See, you know, what I.

01:41:10.000 The problem I have with this is that it's what we would call positive discrimination.

01:41:16.000 If they really wanted to rag on white people.

01:41:18.000 Oh, they do. 0.97

01:41:19.000 Oh, they're certainly negative ones. 0.87

01:41:20.000 Yeah, you'd like walk out and you'd go, Well, I just think my cousin's attractive.

01:41:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:26.000 I'm going to marry her.

01:41:27.000 That's how you could mock.

01:41:29.000 This is like making fun of the well to do hokey dad in the suburbs.

01:41:32.000 Who lives well?

01:41:33.000 He's good and he's very funny.

01:41:34.000 And you're like, you're watching this and you're like, he certainly is making fun of that mid six figures dad who's got a nice house in the suburbs.

01:41:40.000 You know, there might be a move towards like identifying more with your genetic heritage, but I think supremacy is insane across the board because like no race is supreme.

01:41:50.000 They're all different. 0.98

01:41:51.000 And they all have like fucking major abilities. 0.99

01:41:54.000 Different races have different abilities. 0.99

01:41:56.000 Did you know like Kyle Roger had like a party yesterday?

01:41:59.000 I have no idea what he's saying.

01:42:01.000 Okay, so I have a story for you on that.

01:42:03.000 So, I allegedly, there are these people who exist.

01:42:07.000 They are called white supremacists.

01:42:09.000 I haven't met any white white supremacists, but I tell you, the first white supremacist I ever met is a black Haitian American woman.

01:42:18.000 Yeah, literally. 0.92

01:42:19.000 And then the ones that like have, like you'll meet these dudes, they come out of prison, they have like a swastika like carved in their forehead, and they're like, yeah, the black guys are prison. 1.00

01:42:25.000 They're cool.

01:42:26.000 Like we got all here.

01:42:26.000 Like the guys you would expect are like totally off the wall.

01:42:30.000 And then, yeah, the hardcore white supremacists are always like, yeah, I'm Mexican or like, yeah, I'm, yeah, they're visibly not white.

01:42:37.000 And in this particular case, It was a conversation I was having.

01:42:40.000 And the things that she had said, I would imagine, like some sort of neo Nazi manifesto would say about white people and the white race and continually saying that.

01:42:48.000 I'm like, I'm just feeling so uncomfortable.

01:42:50.000 But am I, then like white guilt, right?

01:42:53.000 Am I going to go and I'm, am I going to now disagree with a lived experience of a black immigrant?

01:42:59.000 All the intersectional boxes?

01:43:00.000 Like, oh, I, like, I kind of broke.

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:04.000 Was she like, white people treating me the best?

01:43:06.000 Was that what her argument was? 0.65

01:43:07.000 Probably one of the, it was, It was along those lines.

01:43:10.000 She was specifically referring to the white Christian missionaries and Christian missionaries who had come to Haiti where she was growing up. 0.58

01:43:17.000 And she said things like, Yes, the only people who showed me unconditional love are the whites. 0.99

01:43:22.000 She was saying a lot like the whites. 0.95

01:43:23.000 And it's like, The whites just love us more than our fellow blacks do.

01:43:26.000 And it was just like, You can't say that.

01:43:28.000 This is my initial.

01:43:29.000 You can't.

01:43:30.000 But then it's like, But then I'm negating her experience.

01:43:33.000 I have the prequel meme.

01:43:34.000 I have become the very thing I swore to destroy.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, literally. 1.00

01:43:37.000 Like when I was in Africa.

01:43:38.000 Yeah, like when I was in Africa and I was like, For example, I remember this.

01:43:38.000 I got stuck.

01:43:41.000 Vividly, like as soon as I got there, I was like in Kenya and Tanzania, Malawi.

01:43:44.000 I would run into guys all the time, and they literally verbatim be like, Yeah, like Africans, there's just something about us.

01:43:49.000 We just can't run countries.

01:43:50.000 Like, I wish the British would come back and run this for us.

01:43:52.000 And I was like, dude, if he was the other way, if you were white and you said that in America, you'd like go to jail.

01:43:57.000 And he was like, yeah, I don't know.

01:43:58.000 There's like something about like, I don't know, like our genetics.

01:44:00.000 Like we just can't run countries.

01:44:01.000 I'm like, dude, this is like nuts.

01:44:03.000 And it was like, I would experience it all the time.

01:44:06.000 There was a video from a Baldwin Bankrupt.

01:44:08.000 He's like this big travel YouTuber and he's in India.

01:44:10.000 He was literally walking down this road in India and an Indian guy stops him and he goes, where are you from?

01:44:15.000 And he was like, I'm from Britain. 1.00

01:44:16.000 He's like, oh, come and rule again. 0.89

01:44:18.000 Like some of those most explicitly, like you would clock as like white.

01:44:23.000 Supremacist talking points or whatever will come from like people in these like decolonized regions and they're like, please, can the British just come back already?

01:44:30.000 Like, what's going on? 0.62

01:44:31.000 Were they thrust back into the caste system in India or something?

01:44:33.000 Dude, it's brutal over there. 0.99

01:44:35.000 That's why they're all coming here to code for like.

01:44:36.000 I want to grab one last bit before we go.

01:44:40.000 And this is, of course, an update on the Animal Farm stuff.

01:44:45.000 It's personal, I guess.

01:44:46.000 So if you don't care, I apologize.

01:44:47.000 We'll get your rumblings in a second.

01:44:48.000 So I had criticized the Animal Farm film as being anti capitalist and pro communist when the trailer came out, as many did.

01:44:56.000 Everybody pointed out.

01:44:58.000 Interviews and commentary from corporate press, also the same thing, the themes of anti capitalism.

01:45:03.000 Angel Studios reached out for a sponsorship for this show, offering a lot of money.

01:45:08.000 And I rejected it.

01:45:11.000 First, I agreed, you know what?

01:45:13.000 I should watch the film before I just say no, because we're fans of Angel Studios, right?

01:45:18.000 Within the first 10 minutes, I was like, this is insane.

01:45:20.000 I turned it off.

01:45:21.000 And then I said, okay, I have to finish watching it.

01:45:23.000 So I turned it back on, finished watching it.

01:45:26.000 The film is entirely anti capitalist and pro communist.

01:45:29.000 In fact, the key part.

01:45:30.000 Plot in the third act is the animals decide to revolt against capitalism to bring about positive communism.

01:45:37.000 And so I then criticized the film without spoiling it.

01:45:41.000 Angel Studios said that they would come on the show and have this discussionslash debate.

01:45:45.000 They told my team they would try and get something from the production studio.

01:45:48.000 It was relayed to me through my team that they were trying to get Andy Serkis, who made the film.

01:45:52.000 Big fan of Andy Serkis, by the way, so I'd love to have that conversation with him.

01:45:56.000 Well, he couldn't make it.

01:45:57.000 They said, don't worry, one of the Harmon brothers will make it.

01:46:00.000 And then, abruptly, just before we were supposed to do the show on Friday, they canceled.

01:46:05.000 And then I was going to announce the cancellation.

01:46:08.000 They then said, How about we do it on Monday?

01:46:09.000 And I said, Oh, okay, I want to announce cancellation.

01:46:11.000 Sure enough, then Monday I told my team, No, they canceled Monday as well.

01:46:15.000 So Riley Gaines posted this My husband and I got early access screening to Animal Farm, an animated adaptation of George Orwell's novel made by Angel Studios.

01:46:24.000 Incredibly well done.

01:46:26.000 They do a perfect job of reminding viewers that Marxism always has and always will fail.

01:46:30.000 In theaters, May 1st, hashtag Animal Farm Partner.

01:46:35.000 There is not a single criticism of Marxism in the whole film.

01:46:38.000 I'll give you the quick elevator pitch to what the story is about.

01:46:42.000 A group of happy animals live on a farm.

01:46:44.000 The farmer can't pay his mortgage, so an evil capitalist buys the debt out from the bank and then seeks to have the animals slaughtered.

01:46:52.000 The animals, to avoid dying, revolt, but the bank says someone's got to pay the mortgage.

01:46:58.000 The animals team up and all work together to sell horse rides, the chickens sell their eggs, and the pigs go and pay off the bank.

01:47:06.000 The bank says, I only need a little bit of this.

01:47:08.000 You can keep the rest.

01:47:09.000 Instead of giving the money to the rest of the animals to buy things the farm needs, the pigs go to the mall and buy things for themselves.

01:47:14.000 The animals get angry that the pigs are taking all the profit for themselves, despite the fact they do the labor.

01:47:19.000 Napoleon the pig gets in credit card debt.

01:47:21.000 He can't pay off.

01:47:22.000 So he cuts a deal with Elon Musk's mom to sell the farm and the animals off, a private equity deal that will basically start extracting all the assets.

01:47:31.000 He will get what they call magic paper to pay off his credit card debt.

01:47:34.000 She builds a hydroelectric dam.

01:47:36.000 At this point, in the third act, the animals finally decide to revolt.

01:47:40.000 Against this capitalist system.

01:47:42.000 They then plant explosives in the hydroelectric dam, blowing it up, killing all of Elon Musk's mom's employees, as well as Elon Musk's mom.

01:47:50.000 The movie literally ends at this point with Napoleon being crushed under the grain silo and killed, and Lucky, the new character, crawling out and saying something to the effect of, You will own nothing and you'll be happy.

01:47:59.000 There is not a single instance of Marxism as a topic.

01:48:02.000 There is not a single conversation about the oppressed versus the oppressor.

01:48:05.000 There is not a single instance of government intervention in any capacity or governance.

01:48:11.000 The entirety of the film is a critique on modern capitalist structures.

01:48:15.000 In fact, Andy Serkis talked about this in an interview.

01:48:20.000 And Andy Serkis made major changes, blah, blah, blah.

01:48:24.000 Let me just jump.

01:48:26.000 They're like, here you go.

01:48:28.000 Serkis approached the adaptation.

01:48:30.000 He didn't want it to be a story about Stalinist Russia.

01:48:31.000 Instead, he gravitated toward themes of capitalism, wealth, and overconsumption.

01:48:36.000 The billionaire antagonist, Pilkington, drives what closely resembles a cyber truck.

01:48:41.000 So here's the point I'm going to make.

01:48:44.000 When they sent me a sponsorship request, one of the things they asked that I do was rescind my previous commentary on their film and say that.

01:48:54.000 Boy, was I a squealer.

01:48:56.000 The film's actually great.

01:48:57.000 You should watch it.

01:48:59.000 And I watched this, and that actually offended me that they would try to pay me to change my opinion.

01:49:06.000 Well, I was asked, Tim, why would you put out a statement like this?

01:49:13.000 It's the stupidest thing you can do as a company that sells sponsorships because now future sponsors are going to be like, what, run the risk of Tim Poole publicly blasting me if I offer him money? 0.84

01:49:22.000 Indeed. 0.95

01:49:23.000 And my response was, I guarantee you, right wing personalities are going to start putting out generic statements in exchange for cash that this pro communist, anti capitalist movie is in fact worth watching.

01:49:35.000 And with all due respect to Riley Gaines, because I like her, I would assume that this post she made was copy and pasted from a script and she never actually watched the film.

01:49:43.000 But she probably got paid.

01:49:44.000 That's why it says Animal Farm Partner.

01:49:46.000 So I will call out any and everyone who doesn't watch this.

01:49:50.000 Now, that being said, don't take it from me.

01:49:53.000 Watch the film yourself if you want to.

01:49:55.000 There are a lot of people that I see are just agreeing with my assessment, and that's fair because I'm telling you what I see is like, guys, in the trailer, you literally see Slaughterhouse by Pilkington.

01:50:05.000 That's not a component of the book.

01:50:07.000 They're laughing.

01:50:07.000 Say we're going on vacation.

01:50:08.000 The animals in the beginning are happy.

01:50:09.000 In Animal Farm, the animals are pissed off.

01:50:12.000 The farm is mismanaged, so they revolt against bad leadership.

01:50:16.000 In the book, the chickens have their eggs taken from them by the pigs and sold off.

01:50:21.000 And when the chickens complain, they're executed and killed by the dogs.

01:50:25.000 That was a commentary on government seizing what belongs to you.

01:50:29.000 In the movie, the chickens gleefully sell their eggs along with the pigs, but when the pigs sell that and take the money, they keep the excess for themselves, and the animals get pissed off that the profit is taken away.

01:50:40.000 A critique of capitalism.

01:50:41.000 So, if you want to bring your kids to see a movie that critiques modern capitalist structures, that was always allowed, but that is not what Animal Farm was ever about.

01:50:49.000 So, I take issue with conservatives promoting this because they're liars.

01:50:54.000 I'm sorry, there is no way Riley Gaines actually watched this film.

01:50:58.000 You know what I said when I first saw the trailer, when we first talked about this during the.

01:51:03.000 The pre show, the Discord members and subscribers, this sort of reframe it as almost like aligned with animal rights activists.

01:51:11.000 You know, I was a vegan for 10 years, not for moral or ethical reasons, because I believed a lot of the, it's a low fat, plant based, it's healthy sort of claims.

01:51:20.000 We all tend to not be true.

01:51:22.000 Yeah, we all make mistakes.

01:51:24.000 Yeah, just like bioavailability 101.

01:51:26.000 I failed that one.

01:51:28.000 But with this over here, I thought, what is this sort of prop?

01:51:33.000 This looks like almost like vegan propaganda.

01:51:35.000 Guess what?

01:51:35.000 Andy Circus, the director, is vegetarian.

01:51:39.000 Yep.

01:51:39.000 Vegetarian since he was 18 years old and has done stuff with pita.

01:51:44.000 Well, what do you know?

01:51:46.000 It's really disenfranchising.

01:51:49.000 I think if I bought the rights to Wizard of Oz and I made a new Wizard of Oz movie where they fought lions and then they got like a technotronic arm that she could use to blast through the Wizard's Tower, I'd get, even if it was done well, I feel like that's like raping humanity.

01:52:06.000 That's like stealing one of their great cultural memories, Animal Farm, and to turn it into this twisted abomination.

01:52:14.000 It's to destroy it.

01:52:15.000 This is what they do.

01:52:16.000 Yuri Bezmanov predicted all of this. 0.89

01:52:19.000 Your institutions, your traditions, your culture, like a skin suit. 0.92

01:52:22.000 They hollow it out and they wave it in front of your face to destroy it intentionally. 1.00

01:52:26.000 And whether anyone watches the movie or not, they succeeded.

01:52:30.000 He even says here in this interview with USA Today, the director, Andy Serkis, he says that my job was to make audiences think about this differently.

01:52:39.000 I don't think, well, that's his self appointed job, Andy.

01:52:42.000 I really hope you come in here, brother, because I'm just going to bail.

01:52:46.000 I'm going to bail.

01:52:47.000 On Expedition 33, the voices, you were talking too slow.

01:52:51.000 Like, no one talks like that, dude.

01:52:53.000 But.

01:52:54.000 I'll see you in person and I'm going to rip your movie apart.

01:52:57.000 I haven't even seen it yet, dude.

01:52:58.000 But if the stuff Tim is saying is true, what did you do that for?

01:53:04.000 Why didn't you write a new movie?

01:53:06.000 He did write a new movie.

01:53:08.000 He just slapped Animal Farm on top of it.

01:53:11.000 The most important thing to understand about this film is that in the book, the animals rebel in the beginning.

01:53:17.000 The story starts with the animals staging rebellion.

01:53:19.000 In the movie, the animals rebel in act three against the capitalist.

01:53:24.000 It's like.

01:53:25.000 And then, like, all the employees are standing at this hydroelectric dam. 0.99

01:53:28.000 They blow it up and kill them all. 0.98

01:53:30.000 It's just like eco terrorism and leftist terror. 1.00

01:53:30.000 I gotta say. 1.00

01:53:33.000 If you go to any vegan meetup in the United States, you will hear radical anti natalists.

01:53:40.000 They are some of the most radically, not pro choice, pro abortion communities you will ever see in the United States.

01:53:47.000 And you talk to them, and it's like, so you believe that, like, eating an egg is wrong and it's not even fertilized, but, like, you've had, like, what, three or four abortions?

01:53:55.000 Why is that?

01:53:55.000 I'm very proud of this.

01:53:57.000 It.

01:53:58.000 Well, number one, I think it has to do with the fact that if you look at the data, there's a high correlation between mental illness and veganism.

01:54:06.000 Specifically, veganism.

01:54:07.000 Not vegetarianism, but specifically veganism.

01:54:09.000 So I think that enough of chronic veganism will result in you suffering to an extent that you are no longer in your right mind.

01:54:16.000 That's one of the reasons that I gave up on it.

01:54:18.000 So I had low testosterone, high estrogen because of all the soy that you're eating, right?

01:54:22.000 I had thyroid autoimmune problems, and losing my short term memory.

01:54:26.000 This is what my second book coming out this year is about my ex vegan memoir.

01:54:29.000 Of all the experiences and learning about bioavailability and whatnot.

01:54:32.000 We do got to grab the Rumble Rants and Super Chats and try and squeeze as many as possible because I was rambling on Animal Farm again.

01:54:37.000 So I apologize.

01:54:38.000 But smash the like button, share the show.

01:54:39.000 The uncensored portion of the show is, of course, coming up at 10 o'clock.

01:54:44.000 We've got this from Soupy.

01:54:46.000 For the love of God, please give me the racism we are promised by the Dems if Trump won.

01:54:50.000 Imprisoned Comey, kicked Kimmel off the taxpayer funded airwaves, et cetera.

01:54:53.000 It's maximum warfare after all, right?

01:54:56.000 If you really want to scratch your racism itch.

01:54:57.000 Oh, he said, I meant fascism, not racism.

01:54:59.000 It was autocorrect.

01:55:00.000 If you do want to be like really scratch your racism itch and Feel it.

01:55:04.000 Just remember robots are not people.

01:55:08.000 C. John Security says, I believe, I have this feeling the reason the left calls these attempts on the president's life fake and stage is because they believe they are too smart to fail.

01:55:18.000 Well, it's actually simple.

01:55:21.000 They have to reject the idea the left is violent.

01:55:25.000 No matter how many times you tell them that all of these major political instances of terror from small to large have been dominated by the left, that we've had something like 40 terror attacks in the past two years, they reject it at right.

01:55:37.000 So, when you get a high profile attempt on the president's life, they must reject it.

01:55:42.000 But the problem is, we saw it, then it's fake.

01:55:45.000 The left can't do it, it's fake.

01:55:47.000 Tyler Robinson didn't do it.

01:55:48.000 Candace is right.

01:55:49.000 It's fake.

01:55:50.000 Because tell them, hey, you know it was like leftists that shot up an ice facility, right?

01:55:54.000 Nope, you're lying.

01:55:55.000 Fake.

01:55:57.000 The left is pure.

01:55:57.000 They're good.

01:55:58.000 They can't do anything wrong.

01:56:01.000 All right, what do we got here?

01:56:02.000 Falling says the likelihood of Cummie not knowing what 86 means is pretty much non existent.

01:56:06.000 Dude was involved in prosecution of mob members early as career.

01:56:09.000 I completely agree.

01:56:11.000 I agree.

01:56:13.000 Evan Frias says, A.G. Massey, if he loses.

01:56:17.000 Well, Trump's not going to appoint him.

01:56:19.000 I'd say President Massey if he loses.

01:56:21.000 He's got options.

01:56:22.000 He could run for governor.

01:56:23.000 It's 2027 in Kentucky.

01:56:25.000 It's next year.

01:56:26.000 So that could be win or lose. 0.95

01:56:28.000 Is Bashir unlimited?

01:56:28.000 He could run for governor.

01:56:32.000 Nikki Coco says My 12 year old daughter says calling someone a Democrat is an insult in middle school, especially amongst the boys. 0.95

01:56:38.000 It's like calling them gay. 1.00

01:56:42.000 The kids will be all right. 1.00

01:56:43.000 Mitch Stew says Ian needs to go on Sam Hyde's show and talk about white identity. 0.93

01:56:47.000 Ian would learn a lot.

01:56:48.000 When should I do that?

01:56:50.000 Hit him up.

01:56:50.000 I'm down.

01:56:51.000 Texan.

01:56:52.000 Bashir is term limited.

01:56:54.000 Ah, that could change everything.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, it'd be wide open.

01:56:56.000 I think he's going to run for president.

01:56:57.000 Yes, definitely.

01:56:59.000 I'd like to see a debate between Sam Hyde and Vivek Ramaswamy.

01:57:02.000 That would be great.

01:57:04.000 America is an idea.

01:57:05.000 I call that the Vivekian hypothesis. 0.68

01:57:08.000 I'm following what I call now Jones' razor.

01:57:11.000 The solution that most aligns with statements from Alex Jones tends to be the correct one on a long enough time scale.

01:57:18.000 Right.

01:57:19.000 Over time.

01:57:19.000 Like he was saying in 2017, Charlottesville, this is a false flag.

01:57:19.000 Yeah.

01:57:23.000 And he got sued for it.

01:57:24.000 He got sued for saying specifically the Southern Poverty Law Center and other liberal NGOs hire these people to show up as Nazis for these events and stage these things.

01:57:33.000 He got sued and had to settle out of court, and now Espel has been indicted for exactly what he claimed.

01:57:38.000 So they owe him a refund.

01:57:39.000 Well, there was a specific individual that was named who worked at the State Department that, I guess, sued, and I don't know the exact terms of what the claim was, but I know they settled out of court.

01:57:51.000 If what he said was true, if it turned out it was true, I think that he should get restitution on some level.

01:57:55.000 But if it was partially true, then I guess the.

01:57:58.000 Case still stands.

01:58:00.000 All right.

01:58:01.000 I'm not your buddy, guys.

01:58:02.000 It's amazing how much is finally getting done now that Pam Blondie is gone.

01:58:06.000 Some argue it was already in motion, while others say intentionally slowed down.

01:58:09.000 I have to wonder was she obstructing it?

01:58:12.000 A lot of people pointed out, like, didn't she?

01:58:13.000 She's actually in Florida.

01:58:14.000 People didn't trust her.

01:58:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:17.000 And she was handpicked by Susie Wiles. 0.89

01:58:20.000 And if I remember correctly from her, if people can check out on Wikipedia, she had, I think she had previously had to file for a foreign agent because she'd done some lobbying work for a Middle Eastern nation state.

01:58:31.000 Which one?

01:58:31.000 Checking it.

01:58:32.000 A cotter, I think.

01:58:33.000 Oh, was it?

01:58:35.000 Did you guys see that Paramount filed to have 49.5% owned by the Saudis and the Qataris?

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 Paramount?

01:58:42.000 What?

01:58:43.000 Yeah.

01:58:43.000 Yep.

01:58:44.000 I was just like, wait, what?

01:58:46.000 The Ellisons?

01:58:47.000 That's amazing.

01:58:48.000 Wow. 1.00

01:58:49.000 Yeah, Israel must really be cooked, I guess. 0.97

01:58:50.000 That's not halal.

01:58:51.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:58:53.000 Yeah, that's weird.

01:58:54.000 Yeah, she was hired by Ballard Partners, which is Bondi's outfit.

01:58:59.000 Or, sorry, that is Susie Wilde's outfit.

01:59:01.000 She began working as a registered foreign agent and lobbyist for Qatar related to anti human trafficking efforts in advance of the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

01:59:08.000 I don't know how well the anti human trafficking efforts worked, if you know anything about how the World Cup went down.

01:59:13.000 That's interesting.

01:59:14.000 Eric J. Poe says Tim, Article 86 of UCMJ covers being absent, gone.

01:59:20.000 So, as far as I can tell, 86 is a reference to disappearing someone.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, 86 means they're gone.

01:59:26.000 It doesn't indicate hurting them, just indicates that they're not there anymore.

01:59:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:31.000 UCMJ Article 86 is absent without leave, AWOL.

01:59:35.000 Interesting.

01:59:35.000 I wonder if that's where it came from.

01:59:37.000 That's also a possible theory.

01:59:39.000 So, because a military veteran, naval intelligence officer.

01:59:41.000 Yeah.

01:59:42.000 So, yeah.

01:59:44.000 All right.

01:59:45.000 Let's see.

01:59:45.000 Tech says, I'm shocked that I have not yet heard Tim compare the latest assassination attempt strategy to a Naruto run.

01:59:51.000 Why did he do that?

01:59:52.000 Because he ran through the whole thing.

01:59:53.000 Yeah, it did look like it.

01:59:54.000 It was so fast.

01:59:54.000 Get his arms back.

01:59:56.000 I saw a tweet about that.

01:59:57.000 When resistance?

01:59:59.000 Over says, maybe Trump doesn't care about the midterms since they won't pass the Save Act.

02:00:03.000 Timeline moved up before midterms.

02:00:04.000 Indeed, that's the Trump has resigned himself to losing.

02:00:07.000 So he's just, we're going to get as much done as we can.

02:00:11.000 I'm more concerned about what happened between World Wars 2 and 10 that I missed.

02:00:16.000 I know. 0.98

02:00:17.000 It is also very scary that we have a member of Congress who thinks World War II was World War XI because she saw the Roman numerals and she's that dumb. 0.95

02:00:24.000 That post apparently from a year ago, though. 0.91

02:00:27.000 And then it says, oh, but she corrected herself moments later.

02:00:30.000 But an American doesn't make that mistake.

02:00:33.000 Yeah, and they don't say during World War XI.

02:00:36.000 Yeah, because it could be one of those things like, you know, the British call the French and Indian War, they call it like the Seven Years' War or whatever.

02:00:41.000 So it could be in Somalia, they call it the Korean War, like World War III.

02:00:44.000 And then they go, you know, it could be one of those things that maybe they attribute.

02:00:47.000 World War XI.

02:00:48.000 Do you live in New England or something?

02:00:50.000 Yeah.

02:00:51.000 Could be hand sanitizer after watching that.

02:00:53.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 All right.

02:00:56.000 Let's see.

02:00:57.000 Simple Gunsman says, Hey, Tim, I wanted to bring this to your attention, but you keep talking about AI and corn.

02:01:02.000 I recently talked to Grok about a Fallout esque future, and its response surprised me.

02:01:07.000 He says to search the Discord to figure out more.

02:01:09.000 Well, I'll have to do that later.

02:01:12.000 Indeed.

02:01:14.000 All right.

02:01:14.000 Let's see.

02:01:16.000 Jordan says ABC and other TV broadcasters should lose their license because network TV is obsolete.

02:01:22.000 The spectrum is public property.

02:01:24.000 It's like licensing a horse buggy for the interstate.

02:01:27.000 Indeed, but it also has to do with distribution over the internet and rights.

02:01:31.000 So, because of the evolution of broadcast, when licenses were being distributed, they attached certain internet and distribution rights to those licenses.

02:01:40.000 So, you actually, when Jimmy Kimmel got pulled by Sinclair, we couldn't watch it anywhere here.

02:01:45.000 Even a VPN, I couldn't get it.

02:01:47.000 It was wild.

02:01:48.000 I had to wait till someone posted the clips on X to be able to see what he said because it was region blocked.

02:01:54.000 Wild.

02:01:56.000 All right, my friends, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show.

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02:02:04.000 Good, sir.

02:02:05.000 Would you like to shout anything out?

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02:02:11.000 Appreciate you guys.

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02:02:16.000 At Joshua Lysak on X, runrightbook.com.

02:02:19.000 And as we like to say, don't walk, run right.

02:02:22.000 And we talked a little bit about AI, but again, I'm.

02:02:24.000 We'll talk about it in the uncensored portion.

02:02:26.000 I'm probably the last ghostwriter also.

02:02:27.000 So that's my additional title for tonight.

02:02:30.000 Hey, that's awesome.

02:02:32.000 Shout out to all you dudes in the military out there.

02:02:34.000 That's you, females, and men that are listening right now.

02:02:37.000 Keep it going. 0.99

02:02:37.000 Nice work. 0.99

02:02:38.000 I'm praying for you and the stability that we all want.

02:02:41.000 Have a nice evening.

02:02:43.000 Exit Instagram at Real Tape Brown.

02:02:43.000 Yeah.

02:02:45.000 And I am having a lot of Anglo Saxon patriots hitting up my line.

02:02:49.000 I am monitoring the situation right now with King Charles and President Trump.

02:02:53.000 Apparently, President Trump has named the Norman, which is very interesting.

02:02:56.000 You know, the Norman yoke's been very taboo for a long time in American politics.

02:02:59.000 So I'm actively monitoring the situation.

02:03:02.000 Go to my Twitter at Real Tape Brown.

02:03:03.000 I will update.

02:03:04.000 As soon as I can figure out what's going on, Carter.

02:03:07.000 What's up, everyone?

02:03:08.000 Sometimes I post pictures of my cat at Instagram at Carter Banks Official, and you can follow me on Accent Carter Banks.

02:03:14.000 And I'm excited for the after show.

02:03:15.000 Let's get into it.

02:03:16.000 Everybody, we will see you at rumble.com slash Tim Cast IRL in about 30 seconds.

02:03:20.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:04:13.000 So we're all cooked.

02:04:15.000 AI is taking over.

02:04:17.000 We're actually talking here about bringing back news articles because I can now write news articles in 30 seconds.

02:04:24.000 So the idea is not to create news articles, but to do basically what I would describe as a social aggregation that allows me to pull the key elements of stories that I think are verified and news relevant.

02:04:39.000 So then instead of being like, here's a story we've got from the New York Post, I can say, from timcast.com.

02:04:46.000 Cite the New York Post, cite them all in one location.

02:04:50.000 Here are key elements that are reported by these networks.

02:04:53.000 And then basically create simplified aggregators using AI.

02:04:58.000 Super fast, super easy.

02:05:00.000 The point was the story that I was saying.

02:05:02.000 I mentioned this in the beginning of the show.

02:05:04.000 When the shooting at the White House Correspondence Center happened, I'm seeing all of this spattering of various nonsense, and it's hard to parse exactly what's going on in real time.

02:05:12.000 So I just told ChatGPT just take all the news articles and the tweets, give me an infographic.

02:05:17.000 And I just boom right there.

02:05:19.000 And then it was like, what happened? 0.96

02:05:20.000 Shooter apprehended, presumed dead, like just instantly all right there in a simple to read graphic with no bullshit.

02:05:27.000 Like, I got to be honest infographic news is easier to read than text blocks.

02:05:33.000 You know, it's like looking at squares going in square holes.

02:05:37.000 Siren, criminal charge, arrest, shooting.

02:05:40.000 I'm like, okay, I got it.

02:05:42.000 Don't anything else.

02:05:43.000 So it's changing the game.

02:05:44.000 I don't know how anybody exists going forward with AI.

02:05:48.000 Well, I like when you said earlier, it's like, you know, The journalist standards are that they have to say this or they have to say that.

02:05:55.000 And it's like, it's all slopped.

02:05:56.000 We don't need any of that.

02:05:57.000 And I feel like us that are in media, or at least, you know, media adjacent, I don't know how we get to that point, but I probably think that the image type or the shortened type media, I mean, at a certain point, they got to figure out how to make money off it.

02:06:11.000 But I think media is moving in that direction where people just want to digest what they need to digest.

02:06:16.000 And so what's happened is, you know, I was explaining a lot of like my 10 a.m., principally my 10 a.m. and my 4 p.m. shows are, uh, You know, I think today it's like he's done it, or like Trump, he went nuclear.

02:06:31.000 And the issue is that you don't get clicks on news anymore.

02:06:35.000 It used to be six years ago, eight years ago, I'd make a video that says, This thing just happened, and I'd get half a million views.

02:06:43.000 Nobody needs those videos anymore because everyone already knows what happened.

02:06:45.000 What they want now is they want to show where they hear thoughts and opinions, which is always kind of what I was doing, but that means that the structure of it needs to be different.

02:06:53.000 Early Timcast didn't actually have titles back in the day, which is interesting, and then we added them.

02:06:58.000 Tim Guest used to just a thumbnail that said Tim Guest IRL episode, guest name.

02:07:02.000 And the thumbnail was just a picture of me and the guest.

02:07:05.000 Now we do like something happened, and I don't think that's particularly effective because people don't care.

02:07:10.000 Dude, you should have posted this thumbnail Jessica did. 0.70

02:07:14.000 Israel has done it. 0.89

02:07:15.000 Did you see it in the TV? 1.00

02:07:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:17.000 Is that you and me kissing?

02:07:18.000 Me and Tim broke back mountain style.

02:07:20.000 AI did it with the Israeli flag in the background.

02:07:23.000 Tim looking all sultry at the camera.

02:07:25.000 It's all AI.

02:07:26.000 This would have got twice the views tonight, I think.

02:07:28.000 Or at least 40% more.

02:07:29.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:30.000 I updated the branding for Timcast.

02:07:30.000 Did you guys see?

02:07:32.000 We have a major announcement.

02:07:33.000 Finally, you get the flag up.

02:07:33.000 Oh, good.

02:07:36.000 Where is it?

02:07:38.000 I'll pull it up.

02:07:39.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:07:40.000 Major announcement.

02:07:40.000 I spelled major wrong.

02:07:41.000 Timcast is rebranding.

02:07:42.000 Look at this.

02:07:43.000 I got 2,000 responses and 304 retweets.

02:07:46.000 I like the color.

02:07:47.000 And then I immediately posted this update.

02:07:49.000 I've been hacked.

02:07:50.000 It's not true.

02:07:50.000 The real rebrand is this.

02:07:53.000 I just want to say.

02:07:55.000 But the first one, but the Israel one did 2,000 comments.

02:07:57.000 This one only did 247. 1.00

02:07:59.000 It's because people are retarded. 0.98

02:08:00.000 Yeah, it never gets as many views as the. 0.99

02:08:02.000 I will say this any U.S. citizen serving in a foreign military should have their citizenship revoked.

02:08:09.000 So, they're trying to do this bill to grant benefits to Americans who serve in the IDF. 0.57

02:08:13.000 It's, of course, about dual citizens, instant revocation of citizenship.

02:08:17.000 If you serve in any foreign military, Israel, like you immediately renounce your citizenship.

02:08:21.000 What about the French Foreign Legion?

02:08:23.000 Nope.

02:08:23.000 Yeah, gone.

02:08:24.000 Out. 1.00

02:08:24.000 Don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:08:24.000 But for 100 years or so, people have been able to. 1.00

02:08:26.000 And that's in the Constitution.

02:08:27.000 If you swear another oath, then you would be, again, your citizenship should be evaluated.

02:08:31.000 Because that's been the loyalty to any foreign power. 0.93

02:08:33.000 That's been the problem.

02:08:34.000 But this is the thing with the French Foreign Legion for the longest time: have Americans that have joined the French Foreign Legion taken oath to another.

02:08:40.000 You know, institution to another government that should, in theory, your citizenship should be at risk here.

02:08:44.000 Do they do that?

02:08:45.000 You take an oath to the French for?

02:08:46.000 I don't know anything about it.

02:08:48.000 Yeah.

02:08:49.000 He said, Thank you for hiring me on full time.

02:08:51.000 I told you I would only work for you if you finally made the graphics.

02:08:54.000 Excited for this new partnership with Netanyahu.

02:08:56.000 He's already made his first 7,000 deposit in my account.

02:08:59.000 Glad we are finally aligned.

02:09:01.000 Look at this one.

02:09:02.000 Look at this one.

02:09:03.000 This isn't getting the result you think you're getting.

02:09:05.000 You're not funny. 1.00

02:09:06.000 You're simply a dick writing dweeb. 1.00

02:09:07.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:09:08.000 I said, Say my name, bitch. 1.00

02:09:11.000 He's salivating. 1.00

02:09:12.000 I really wanted to say faggot, but they won't let me say that on X. 1.00

02:09:15.000 Oh, really? 0.99

02:09:16.000 Yeah, not as a pejorative.

02:09:18.000 I'm pissed because I want to say it.

02:09:20.000 Maybe you can pull it off.

02:09:21.000 I want to say it.

02:09:22.000 Can you insinuate it?

02:09:23.000 I want to say the F word.

02:09:24.000 Now, this guy below looks like he used AI speaking of that.

02:09:27.000 You're not funny.

02:09:28.000 You're not clever.

02:09:28.000 You're not fooling.

02:09:29.000 That looks like he may have used AI for that reply.

02:09:31.000 God, how many were saying that? 1.00

02:09:32.000 I just, like, bro, these Israel people are literally retarded. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Well, they cap the frustration that a foreign military is guiding our military is. 1.00

02:09:40.000 I will put it like this. 1.00

02:09:41.000 I understand that. 1.00

02:09:42.000 If I say, uh, The settlers in the West Bank are extremists. 1.00

02:09:48.000 They are.

02:09:49.000 What is going on in the West Bank is wrong, and Israel's wrong for doing it.

02:09:53.000 Not a single one of these anti Israel people will say, Thank you, Tim, or we agree with you. 1.00

02:09:57.000 They'll say, Fuck yourself, Zio Shil. 1.00

02:09:59.000 I can literally say on my show, We should cut off all funding to Israel, and these same people will say, Go fuck yourself, Jew. 1.00

02:10:06.000 Because they're not real people. 1.00

02:10:08.000 They're just retards. 1.00

02:10:09.000 Or AI. 1.00

02:10:10.000 Exactly.

02:10:10.000 Like, they're not real.

02:10:12.000 I bet right now, so the challenge as a creator is to not get tangled up in the comments because they're like, A lot of it is AI intending to destroy us, like, or whatever that means, us, but to destroy the American narrative.

02:10:27.000 So, pro Israel people, I can bring a pro Israel person on and say, I think that the strikes in Gaza have been beyond exorbitant.

02:10:38.000 Civilians have been killed, and I think Israel needs to show more restraint.

02:10:41.000 I think the civilian deaths are unacceptable.

02:10:44.000 I think the U.S. shouldn't be involved in this.

02:10:46.000 I think the West Bank settlements are evil.

02:10:47.000 And the pro Israel person, their response will be, Well, I hear what you're saying, and they'll try and make some kind of argument.

02:10:55.000 These people, even if you agree with them, they attack you. 1.00

02:10:59.000 They're retards. 1.00

02:10:59.000 They'll say, like, well, you don't actually think that. 1.00

02:11:01.000 We know your real secrets.

02:11:02.000 Exactly.

02:11:03.000 They go, you think there's an Israel?

02:11:04.000 I'm going to give you an example because we're having Clint Russell on, and Clint's a friend of the show.

02:11:08.000 But I explicitly have defined the term Israel derangement syndrome. 0.85

02:11:12.000 This is when you think Israel controls the drug trade in West Virginia. 0.95

02:11:15.000 That's like the example that I use. 0.99

02:11:17.000 When there's something seemingly totally unrelated, and you're like, Israel's doing it, I'm like, okay, you're retarded. 0.98

02:11:22.000 And we actually had a guy in the show, a guest called in and said, He asked the panel, like, do you think the opiate crisis in West Virginia is getting worse? 0.94

02:11:30.000 I feel like it's getting worse, and it kind of bumps me out because I'm from West Virginia.

02:11:33.000 And the guest we had on said, well, you know, it's really Israel that did it because they've been working with these governments.

02:11:37.000 And I was like, stop, dude, stop.

02:11:40.000 We are not, Israel is not selling opioids.

02:11:43.000 China may be through the southern border.

02:11:45.000 That's derangement. 0.97

02:11:47.000 I have explicitly defined it. 0.73

02:11:48.000 And I've explicitly stated over and over again Israel derangement syndrome is not.

02:11:53.000 When you complain about Israel's military actions, when you complain about AIPAC, when you complain that the U.S. is funding Israel, all of those are.

02:12:00.000 Absolutely okay. 0.78

02:12:02.000 And you are allowed to criticize Israel for their outsized role in the U.S. government and their influence in U.S. politics. 0.99

02:12:09.000 Totally agreed. 1.00

02:12:10.000 So Clint makes a video called Israel Derangement Syndrome Debunked with a picture of me yelling because he's targeting the retards by lying about what my opinion actually is. 1.00

02:12:21.000 I do not respect that one bit. 1.00

02:12:22.000 He's going to come on and I'm going to make him stay on the show.

02:12:26.000 Yeah, he's the man.

02:12:27.000 You know when he's coming on yet?

02:12:28.000 I don't know, but I don't respect him lying about what my position is because. 1.00

02:12:31.000 He's pandering to these fucking retards. 1.00

02:12:33.000 He's one of those dudes that's so easy to resolve conflict with. 1.00

02:12:36.000 He'll come in and, like, in 10 minutes, he'll be like, Well, I'm also, I was also kind of pissed because Clint can walk in the door literally anytime he wants.

02:12:44.000 He can literally just show up here.

02:12:46.000 We play poker together.

02:12:46.000 He comes, he hangs out.

02:12:47.000 He's been on the show just for hanging out with us.

02:12:50.000 I invited him on the show in December.

02:12:51.000 I said, Hey, bro, we're going to be doing the show.

02:12:53.000 We're going to be doing the show in Vegas for Poker Girl Studios.

02:12:54.000 You should come out.

02:12:55.000 And then he said, Oh, I didn't realize you were inviting me on the show. 0.99

02:12:58.000 I'm like, Bro, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

02:12:59.000 I got it. 0.99

02:13:00.000 What else would I be inviting you to Vegas to our studio for?

02:13:02.000 And, Instead of making a video falsely accusing, like maligning me with a fake opinion, he could have literally drove here, didn't even need to ask.

02:13:11.000 He could have just knocked on the door.

02:13:12.000 We'd be like, Clint, yo, what up?

02:13:13.000 Come on the show.

02:13:14.000 He could have just shut up when Randy Fine was here as well.

02:13:16.000 So, I, you know, with all due respect to Clint, he is a friend of ours, he's a friend of mine.

02:13:21.000 And so, I'm criticizing you, Clint, only on this thing.

02:13:24.000 Otherwise, I think you're a good dude, and I think you should come here and we'll hash it out.

02:13:27.000 Clint's a legend, bro.

02:13:30.000 Russell, dude.

02:13:31.000 What a normal guy, too.

02:13:32.000 Like, if you hang out with him.

02:13:34.000 Oh, yeah, it's a dude.

02:13:35.000 You don't need to lie about what my thoughts are on the issue of Israel.

02:13:36.000 Play tennis with Clint in Florida. 0.98

02:13:38.000 But the funny thing is, these people get so fucking bent out of shape. 0.99

02:13:41.000 They're so insane. 1.00

02:13:42.000 I bet they're robots. 0.95

02:13:43.000 I bet, well, it's tough to say.

02:13:45.000 Probably for honest rebranding respect, dude.

02:13:47.000 All robots don't trust any of them.

02:13:49.000 I will say this, though.

02:13:52.000 Apparently, we've been told by Randy Fine's team that if we have Dan Bilzerian on the show, he'll never come back.

02:13:57.000 So you're going to have Dan Bazarian on the show?

02:13:59.000 He should definitely.

02:14:00.000 If he wants to, yeah, yeah.

02:14:01.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 So when, I guess.

02:14:04.000 So, what happened was, Elaud comes to me and he was like, Hey, would you want to have Randy Fine on?

02:14:08.000 And I was like, Yeah, whatever.

02:14:09.000 And he's like, Okay, that was it.

02:14:11.000 I'm like, Bro, I'll have a communist on the show. 1.00

02:14:12.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:14:14.000 And then Lisa said, Hey, Dan Bilzerian's team is asking about him coming on the show. 0.99

02:14:18.000 And I was like, Oh, I said, I was like, Are we going to talk about the news and general issues or is this going to be like a Jew thing?

02:14:23.000 Because I'm fun to talk about the Jews a little bit. 0.88

02:14:26.000 It's just kind of boring to only talk about Jews.

02:14:28.000 But she laughed and was like, I don't know. 0.75

02:14:30.000 I'm like, Yeah, I don't care.

02:14:31.000 We'll have him on. 0.98

02:14:32.000 And then we have Randy Fine and all of these wackaloons are like, Why the fuck didn't you have Dan Bilzerian on? 0.87

02:14:37.000 And I'm like, He's coming on whenever he wants to come on. 0.98

02:14:39.000 I don't know.

02:14:40.000 We'll play poker together too.

02:14:41.000 Do they have a beef?

02:14:42.000 Oh, yeah, he's running against them.

02:14:42.000 Or the two of them have?

02:14:44.000 He's primary.

02:14:46.000 Dan is primary.

02:14:48.000 We have an FCC obligation to.

02:14:50.000 Do you think Dan can win in Florida?

02:14:53.000 I think that if Dan can raise some money, I don't want to always go back to that, but like, I mean, it's tough to beat an incumbent, but this would be his first reelect, Randy Fine. 0.96

02:15:01.000 But like, Dan Bilzerian's whole thing is largely that Jews are bad. 0.81

02:15:08.000 But he also is very famous as like some guy with a bunch of hot chicks on a yacht. 1.00

02:15:12.000 So, I'm like, will the yacht thing get a bunch of normies to be like, yes, or will the anti Jew thing get a bunch of institutional boomerits and Jews to be like, fuck no? 0.98

02:15:21.000 I think you're looking at it completely based on how we see it. 0.96

02:15:25.000 The money that this is why AP is so good.

02:15:27.000 They come into the district and they're not talking about Israel, right?

02:15:31.000 They're talking about, in a primary especially, it's this bad person who they don't like is liberal, they're anti Trump, they're voting for higher taxes.

02:15:40.000 Like, it's all the Republican talking points, right?

02:15:42.000 They want an open border.

02:15:44.000 Dan Bilzerian, if he becomes competitive in this race, they will spend $15 to $20 million against him.

02:15:51.000 I want him to win, though.

02:15:54.000 I want Dan Bilzerian to win.

02:15:55.000 I want to talk to him.

02:15:56.000 If he understands.

02:15:57.000 Because it's going to be really funny when he gets into Congress and then he immediately, like, he's going to walk in, he's going to strut, and he's going to be like, I got elected, I'm going to those halls. 0.99

02:16:09.000 He's going to walk in, the door's going to close, he's going to walk back out with a Yamacon and be like, the Jews are great. 1.00

02:16:15.000 I'm kidding. 1.00

02:16:16.000 But the joke is, like, if the world really is the way that they think it is, what makes him think he's going to get into Congress and have any means of stopping that machine?

02:16:25.000 Yes, it seems like a naive.

02:16:27.000 Move to run for Congress from seeing him as an outsider, but that doesn't mean it is.

02:16:32.000 And I want to meet him, especially now that I know he's running his career.

02:16:35.000 But I really don't get the.

02:16:37.000 So I don't know what Randy Fine said.

02:16:39.000 All I know is my team sent me a message saying, hey, his team is telling us if you have Dan Bilzerian, he won't come back to the show.

02:16:46.000 And I was just like, oh, no.

02:16:49.000 He had absolutely nothing to say.

02:16:51.000 You know what I said was, I said, you can let him know.

02:16:54.000 I'm sure Dan Bilzerian will be happy to hear that you voluntarily excised yourself from the conversation.

02:16:59.000 I mean, I feel like when they say that to you, it's almost like now you want to have them on. 0.99

02:17:03.000 What are you trying to give a veil threat? 0.99

02:17:03.000 It's like, who? 0.99

02:17:05.000 You know, I got to be honest, I just hate everybody. 0.79

02:17:07.000 Like, I will have on a communist. 0.50

02:17:09.000 We've had on communists.

02:17:11.000 We've had on leftists, socialists, commies, Antifa.

02:17:14.000 Like, we'll have on all these people.

02:17:17.000 We've had on Nick Fuentes.

02:17:18.000 We've had on Candace Owens.

02:17:20.000 The idea, these people, there are people being like, I quit my membership because you had Randy Fine on.

02:17:25.000 Oh, but not Nick Fuentes. 0.91

02:17:27.000 Like, come on, chill the fuck out. 0.99

02:17:28.000 Tons of people hit me up when we had Nick on, like, how the fuck could you do this? 1.00

02:17:32.000 And I was like, shove it up your ass. 1.00

02:17:33.000 I don't care. 1.00

02:17:34.000 And then people come at me over Randy Fine. 1.00

02:17:36.000 I'm like, shove it up your ass, bro. 1.00

02:17:37.000 I don't fucking care. 1.00

02:17:38.000 I'm going to have on people who want to talk about stuff if it makes sense. 0.97

02:17:41.000 Dan Bilzerian is very famous with millions of followers.

02:17:43.000 Makes sense.

02:17:44.000 There's a reason people follow him.

02:17:45.000 He's got a lot to say.

02:17:46.000 I'll talk to him.

02:17:47.000 Randy Fine's a member of Congress.

02:17:48.000 He's going to come on.

02:17:49.000 I'll talk to him.

02:17:50.000 Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens, they got a lot of followers, right?

02:17:53.000 Followers isn't the only issue.

02:17:54.000 They're members of Congress with no followers.

02:17:56.000 They have an impact.

02:17:57.000 They're doing something in their space.

02:17:59.000 I'll talk to them. 1.00

02:18:00.000 So these people that get mad, you can shove it up your ass. 1.00

02:18:03.000 I don't care. 1.00

02:18:03.000 It's just whatever. 1.00

02:18:04.000 I'll go live in a Vandana by the river before I fucking get on the knees and beg someone for $10. 0.98

02:18:09.000 That's the thing, too. 0.97

02:18:09.000 It's like, I don't think people understand the format of the show. 0.97

02:18:12.000 Cause, like, yeah, when Fuentes was coming on, or when Baccia is coming on or something, a lot of people messaged me and they're like, make sure you go after him or go after her, like, coming from all these different angles.

02:18:22.000 And I'm like, the show's not for score settling.

02:18:24.000 The show, we say it to every guest, is like, yeah, we're going to treat you like every other guest, whether you have like 2,000 followers or a million.

02:18:30.000 Like, we don't really care.

02:18:31.000 This is just about, like, okay, you give your thoughts and, like, we move on.

02:18:34.000 We argue sometimes.

02:18:35.000 But the idea of this show is like, The score settling show, the takedown show.

02:18:39.000 It's like, are you new around here?

02:18:41.000 Like, have you been to the show before?

02:18:42.000 Here's why I think it's fake October 7th happens. 0.58

02:18:45.000 My response is, I'm ambivalent on Israel. 0.99

02:18:48.000 I don't think we should be funding them. 1.00

02:18:50.000 TikTok, it's funny.

02:18:52.000 So the Republicans say we should ban TikTok.

02:18:55.000 And the reason was largely because it was pro Democrat, anti Republican. 1.00

02:18:58.000 And it was creating a generation of trans kids and things like this. 1.00

02:19:01.000 Democrats said, go fuck yourselves. 1.00

02:19:03.000 Then a week after October 7th, the algorithm on TikTok flipped. 1.00

02:19:08.000 All of a sudden, pro Israel content was gone and anti Israel content skyrocketed.

02:19:13.000 That looked to everybody like ByteDance changed their algorithm to promote anti Israel content.

02:19:18.000 Instantly, Democrats were like, You're right.

02:19:21.000 We have to stop this privacy invasion of TikTok.

02:19:26.000 I pointed this out every time on the show.

02:19:29.000 The only reason Democrats got on board banning TikTok was because they were anti Israel and the Democrats didn't like it.

02:19:35.000 And these same people were like, Wow, Tim's admitting it.

02:19:39.000 Admitting it. 1.00

02:19:39.000 Motherfucker, I talked about it since day one. 1.00

02:19:42.000 Now, all of a sudden, people are coming out and acting like I support Israel. 1.00

02:19:46.000 It's all completely fake.

02:19:48.000 100% fake. 1.00

02:19:49.000 So they're bots and they're faggots. 1.00

02:19:52.000 You know, have a nice day. 1.00

02:19:54.000 And you know, it's all facts.

02:19:56.000 You were right.

02:19:57.000 You know, I will say this too. 1.00

02:19:59.000 Every time I say faggot, the sales deck that we have, our sales pitch drops. 1.00

02:20:05.000 I love those salads. 1.00

02:20:06.000 Licensed Tim Cress and sell. 1.00

02:20:08.000 Our ad rates are just declining by hundreds of dollars every time I say retard and faggot. 1.00

02:20:13.000 Turning the robots gay. 1.00

02:20:15.000 You know what that makes me think of is I had a conversation with a local booby boomer age organizer. 0.87

02:20:22.000 She was saying that she's having a conversation with one of her grandchildren.

02:20:26.000 I believe this is the context of it.

02:20:28.000 And this young man, a teenager, they got into some sort of argument about Israel.

02:20:35.000 And she began talking about, okay, well, what happened to the Jewish people there on October 7th?

02:20:42.000 And he goes, You mean when Israel attacked the Palestinian people on October 7th, right?

02:20:49.000 No, when they attacked them.

02:20:51.000 Yes, that is the reality of a number of the people.

02:20:54.000 And your replies here is when Israel attacked.

02:20:59.000 The Palestinian people on October 7th, 2022. 0.98

02:21:03.000 The thing is, I just literally don't care about these people at all. 1.00

02:21:06.000 Like, I posted the Israeli flag.

02:21:08.000 I posted, I'm Israel Chai.

02:21:10.000 I will post all of this stuff because I literally just don't care. 0.50

02:21:13.000 It's funny because, like I said, I view Israel the same way I feel like Burma and South Sudan. 0.93

02:21:21.000 You know, it's like there's a conflict and, you know, we shouldn't be involved in it. 0.98

02:21:24.000 But these people, they like, it's like a wasp crawled into their anus and stung them over and over again. 0.99

02:21:31.000 I view Israel as I view Britain. 1.00

02:21:33.000 Because if Britain was aggressively attacking its neighbors, I'd be like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:21:37.000 This is our strongest, one of our strongest allies. 0.99

02:21:39.000 How are we involved giving them weapons to attack their neighbors? 0.96

02:21:43.000 Like, that's where I feel complicit with the Israeli aggression. 0.96

02:21:46.000 And I will call it aggression. 0.99

02:21:48.000 They've been very aggressive since the country started. 1.00

02:21:50.000 They'll say it's defensive, but Christians are being slaughtered in Nigeria all the time. 1.00

02:21:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:55.000 If the argument is the U.S. shouldn't be funding Israel, I'm like, yeah, I agree with it. 1.00

02:21:55.000 So, like, fine. 1.00

02:21:58.000 But if we stop funding them, then all the Middle Eastern conflict stuff falls away.

02:22:02.000 We lose it, basically. 0.92

02:22:03.000 So I'm like, you know, if I want to stop funding Israel, I'm like, let's bring in some collars. 0.89

02:22:07.000 And they can tell us their thoughts. 0.85

02:22:08.000 We got the Lucky Bear of Ohio.

02:22:11.000 What is going on?

02:22:13.000 Hi.

02:22:13.000 Sup, Lucky Bear?

02:22:14.000 How's it going?

02:22:16.000 How's it going?

02:22:16.000 Great.

02:22:17.000 So, I've got a question for Tate based on his holding it down this afternoon.

02:22:24.000 He had a great guest on an interview, Stephen, and he, at the end of the interview, had a little conversation about how England was actually doing pretty well.

02:22:36.000 People need to stop.

02:22:38.000 Saying it's not going so great, and then uh, he also maybe implied that the United States didn't assist them enough over the course of the years after World War 11.

02:22:48.000 Uh, because you know, World War 11 was pretty rough on Europe, and we would have supported them more, they'd be in a better position right now, like Germany and Japan.

02:22:57.000 And uh, so I just wanted to get y'all's take to see if that was a fair assessment that we think maybe America didn't do enough to help support England and uh. 0.98

02:23:09.000 We should attack them. 0.89

02:23:11.000 We should be doing it through them.

02:23:12.000 Yeah, I think what Stephen was hitting at wasn't necessarily that we didn't aid them enough.

02:23:16.000 I don't know, maybe he did make that point.

02:23:18.000 I think the main point he was making was the United States were pushing for decolonization around the world.

02:23:27.000 I think this was the policy of the State Department, was again, America as a country that viewed itself as a liberated colony, so to speak, they felt like they had commonality with all of these sort of European colonies around the world. 0.78

02:23:41.000 Which is, at least that was the line they would use.

02:23:44.000 I think the real politic explanation is that they were just simply trying to prevent Europe from challenging American hegemony, which is fair.

02:23:53.000 We're within our right to do that as Americans.

02:23:55.000 I think the point he was making was like we assisted them in decolonizing their empire, you know, liberating all their colonies, so to speak, but that we actually kind of pushed them into that.

02:24:06.000 We kind of coerced them into, again, abandoning a lot of their colonial projects. 0.90

02:24:09.000 And I think that is true. 0.98

02:24:11.000 Like if you read, for example, like The Great Betrayal by Ian Smith and he talks about like the Rhodesia saga, early on, I mean, the United States was like actively pushing Britain to abandon its colonies in Africa.

02:24:25.000 I think that was the point he was making.

02:24:27.000 I'm not like running cover for Steven.

02:24:29.000 I mean, full disclosure, me and him are good buddies, but I mean, like, we argue about this all the time.

02:24:34.000 His point about England being in a better situation, I think he was speaking about like the demographic situation.

02:24:39.000 My counterpoint to him, I don't know if I made it on the show, but I make this point to him all the time, is yes, but y'all's situation unraveled in 10, 20 years.

02:24:47.000 Like, 20 years ago, you were fine, and then now you've self destructed.

02:24:50.000 Where America, it's been like a slow burn for quite a long time.

02:24:54.000 So that's why us as Americans are reacting so strongly to what's happening in Europe, because it's like, This is unraveling rapidly, where in America, it's like, again, kind of a slow burn.

02:25:03.000 But I think the point he was making, yeah, with in regards to sort of it being America's fault, maybe, or us having being complicit partially, I think he did say, like, you know, the Brits still face the brunt.

02:25:14.000 I mean, because, for example, like in Yemen, they used to have the colony of Aden in Yemen, right?

02:25:18.000 They used to control Yemen and they literally got rid of it in like a budget.

02:25:21.000 They were just having an annual budget and literally a strike through their colony in Aden, and that ended British rule in Yemen. 0.71

02:25:27.000 So, in a lot of instances, in the majority of instances, it was their fault.

02:25:30.000 I think he was simply saying it was the policy of the State Department.

02:25:34.000 For these European empires to decolonize, and that did make things worse for them.

02:25:40.000 And then that's where the debate would ensue like, okay, is that in America's interest?

02:25:43.000 That's a debate for us, that's a house discussion.

02:25:45.000 I don't think the British Empire ever ended, and I don't think that they're giving up power.

02:25:49.000 I think they're taking the shadow approach, and they were like, we got to back off and use soft power so that it doesn't look like we're in charge of everything.

02:25:56.000 The problem is that soft power doesn't typically translate into hard power.

02:26:00.000 I don't mean like we're going to offer you money.

02:26:02.000 I mean, they've got sleeper agent cells, psychological operations, Five Eye Spy Club.

02:26:08.000 It's not like we're going to send troops on the ground.

02:26:10.000 They'll just kill people with heart attack guns and they play the fallen empire kind of role because you can't rebel against who you can't see.

02:26:20.000 Yeah, the problem is they just, all these British colonial institutions that have been the global standard for a long time are unraveling.

02:26:29.000 Like in the Iran war, we saw that, again, the British were the leader in the world of issuing maritime insurance, right?

02:26:36.000 And that's a big deal.

02:26:37.000 Like that generated something like 5% of the city of London's revenue was through maritime insurance.

02:26:43.000 And what we saw was when we cranked up the pressure in the Strait of Hormuz, et cetera, et cetera, they started, they weren't willing to insure a lot of ships that were passing through the Strait.

02:26:51.000 And broadly, they just couldn't, quite frankly, couldn't afford the policies that would be required that shifted over to America.

02:26:57.000 So I think, I do, I mean, maybe that could be the instance.

02:27:01.000 I think what's more likely is that the soft power is just not translating into hard power.

02:27:04.000 Like the British are just, you know, we're eating their lunch on virtually every global jostling, you know, this sort of global jostling that's occurring. 0.58

02:27:12.000 We're picking off more parts of whatever holdover they have from the colonial. 0.95

02:27:16.000 Colonial era. 0.63

02:27:17.000 I would say the British Empire formally ended in 1997 when they handed Hong Kong over to the Chinese. 0.97

02:27:22.000 Not a single shot fired. 0.85

02:27:24.000 And I mean, again, there's a variety of reasons that happened, but the main reason was, again, in the early 80s, Margaret Thatcher, Maggie Thatcher was combing through when the Chinese said, hey, by the way, this lease expires in 1997.

02:27:35.000 We want our territories back.

02:27:36.000 She just did quick analysis and was like, we can't defend Hong Kong.

02:27:40.000 The Falklands is one thing, but China, it's not going to happen. 0.86

02:27:43.000 So, yeah, they ended the empire without the fire of a shot. 0.98

02:27:46.000 And yeah, I do agree actually with Steven that yes, we were complicit, but I'm making that from a right, and I think he is too.

02:27:53.000 We're both making that a right wing argument.

02:27:55.000 We're saying that, again, the State Department's policy of decolonization was a post liberal thing to do. 0.95

02:28:02.000 And that it's true.

02:28:04.000 Super nationalism, where no one group or nation state ought to have undue power over others and everyone should have self determination, democracy building.

02:28:04.000 Yeah.

02:28:14.000 Globalism.

02:28:15.000 We can all get together.

02:28:17.000 But often globalism is.

02:28:22.000 The reason we like data republic and I like.

02:28:24.000 To use the term supernationalism is that it is a more coherent predictive philosophy because they do see themselves as nationalists just for this sort of post war neoliberal world order where everyone has their own Jeffersonian democracy.

02:28:42.000 Yeah, well, and that's supernationalism. 0.89

02:28:44.000 Yeah, except they spread gay communism everywhere. 0.94

02:28:46.000 And what's ironic, and I'm not trying to like steer the conversation back to Israel, it's just applicable in this instance, is one of the main reasons the State Department had to take. 0.93

02:28:58.000 The policy that every nation on planet Earth had the right to self determination was because we were, after Truman was a bit apathetic with Israel, so was Eisenhower.

02:29:09.000 Following Eisenhower, the State Department started to back Israel quite hard.

02:29:13.000 And the entire Israel project is predicated on the idea of self determination, as in, if you are a nation, you have the right to your own nation state.

02:29:23.000 Like the UN, what is the UN?

02:29:24.000 Well, effectively, it's a lobbying group, it's a lobbying block for the nation state in and of itself, and any other form of government.

02:29:32.000 Just gets trampled on.

02:29:33.000 And that's the reality of the situation.

02:29:35.000 And so, again, it became this really weird.

02:29:37.000 There was a lot of tension.

02:29:38.000 If you look and you can go read about it, actually, there was a lot of tension in the State Department.

02:29:41.000 It's like, okay, we have this policy with Israel now, but simultaneously, we're like letting these, you know, we're kind of turning a blind eye to these European empires.

02:29:51.000 You can't simultaneously hold those two positions.

02:29:53.000 And it created a lot of tension.

02:29:54.000 Ultimately, we just decided to go with the post liberal, post war consensus, which was everyone has their right to a known country.

02:30:00.000 And it's immoral if the British are ruling over.

02:30:03.000 Zimbabwe or ruling over South Africa, you know? 0.60

02:30:06.000 Who's your guest or whatever?

02:30:07.000 You mentioned Stephen.

02:30:08.000 Who is that?

02:30:09.000 Stephen Edgington.

02:30:10.000 He's the U.S. correspondent for GB News and he is a brilliant, brilliant guy.

02:30:13.000 And yeah, he's a buddy of mine, but I mean, he's fantastic and everyone should go follow him.

02:30:17.000 He's doing great work over there.

02:30:19.000 He's been on IRL before.

02:30:19.000 That's awesome.

02:30:21.000 Oh, he'll be back maybe sometime soon.

02:30:23.000 Did that help answer the questions?

02:30:24.000 Do you have any follow up to that?

02:30:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that was a pretty good discussion.

02:30:30.000 I will say that he definitely referred to the Marshall Plan and referred to Germany and Japan.

02:30:36.000 I think that's significant though, because if you look at the cultures of Germany and Japan, I think a lot of their cultures in those areas are why they thrived so much after the war.

02:30:45.000 And I think that you made a point about Puritans leaving and some of the places they left.

02:30:49.000 It wasn't as religious after they left.

02:30:52.000 I think maybe that same concept is a lot of the pioneers came to the New World and they left England itself and they went to the colonies.

02:30:59.000 And that may have had an effect on how they rebounded later.

02:31:02.000 Yeah, I think not to get too in the weeds here, but if you look at the types of people that settled.

02:31:10.000 The United States early on, they came from the individualistic sort of societies within Europe as Europe emptied out and then shifted more towards, I guess you would say, collectivism.

02:31:20.000 Like the Anabaptists came here, the French Huguenots came here, the Puritans came here.

02:31:24.000 So you're looking at all these groups that ultimately were the first, the last ones in on Christianity and then the first ones out when the Protestant Revolution, the Protestant Reformation came along.

02:31:33.000 That is the main settlers that actually came and settled the United States.

02:31:37.000 And that's why the United States, which was sort of the founding ethos, was this kind of like hyper Calvinist individualistic.

02:31:43.000 Spirit, I do agree.

02:31:45.000 It's because that was the waves of European settlers that came here and then they voluntarily removed themselves from the European political zeitgeist.

02:31:52.000 And ultimately, that is why you saw, you know, going into the 18th century, that rift between the United States and the old world became very obvious because, yeah, the settlers just temperamentally were far different from their mother country.

02:32:04.000 And so the divide just became quite clear. 0.88

02:32:06.000 Even, I mean, you can even get, you know, the people cite this all the time, but it is true. 0.99

02:32:09.000 It's like even the Scots Irish, you know, the Scots Irish, you know, also known as the Ulster Scots, yeah, they were kind of on the frontier. 0.99

02:32:15.000 You know, Ireland, they were pushing into a Catholic Ireland and they were these like chauvinistically Protestant Englishmen and lowland Scots.

02:32:23.000 And yeah, they kind of possessed this.

02:32:25.000 Frontier spirit.

02:32:26.000 And that's why when they came to the United States, although they were forced to go, they ended up on the frontier.

02:32:31.000 And that's kind of what developed the frontier culture in the United States.

02:32:33.000 And so I completely agree that, yes, the temperament of the settlers was far different from that of their mother country.

02:32:39.000 They were already ostracized in Europe.

02:32:40.000 And that's why they came to the United States.

02:32:42.000 That was my half of my ancestry is Scots Irish. 1.00

02:32:45.000 Maybe we need to go colonize somewhere else.

02:32:48.000 This is the problem.

02:32:49.000 And I agree with my English friends when they make this point the United States isn't the best at empire building.

02:32:53.000 And I think it's because, like, inherently, we do have that individualistic spirit.

02:32:57.000 And so it's We become very insecure when we're ruling over other countries.

02:33:01.000 But we get enough people. 1.00

02:33:02.000 We gave up the Philippines. 1.00

02:33:03.000 We'll colonize Alaska. 0.91

02:33:04.000 We gave up Cuba, Puerto Rico. 0.77

02:33:04.000 We gave up the Philippines. 0.77

02:33:07.000 We're like, why are we even.

02:33:08.000 So it's like we get a little bit antsy when we rule over other countries.

02:33:12.000 I think the reality is that people don't have the pioneer spirit anymore.

02:33:19.000 Yeah, yeah, I think that's true.

02:33:20.000 I mean, what's stopping 100 people from going to an Alaskan island and just starting to build a new town?

02:33:26.000 A simulation of it.

02:33:27.000 You know, there's probably some guy on YouTube actually with 50,000.

02:33:31.000 Subscribers, something like me and 10 friends got together and built uh cabins on this Alaskan island.

02:33:37.000 There's probably a YouTube channel that's actually just that.

02:33:41.000 Nobody wants to live in the middle of nowhere the way the pioneers did.

02:33:44.000 They left the deep, big cities in their country on boats for three months, where 20 of the people died on those boats, landed on barren shores, and said, Well, we can't farm because winter's coming, so we only have what food we have left.

02:33:58.000 And then 20 more died, and they started building huts and lived in cabins, and it was.

02:34:03.000 No one wants to do that today.

02:34:05.000 We're too comfortable.

02:34:06.000 Yeah, they were on the moon.

02:34:06.000 They were fleeing.

02:34:07.000 They want to colonize Mars.

02:34:09.000 Well, and I think any, this is like a controversial take, but it's true, is that frontier spirit that does live on.

02:34:16.000 You primarily see it in the founding stock of the United States, insofar as like NASA missions even going into Artemis.

02:34:22.000 Like that is kind of the modern manifestation of that frontier pioneer culture.

02:34:26.000 And as that proportion of the American population, that's not an explicitly white population, by the way, it's a subset of the white population.

02:34:32.000 You know, as that share of the population decreases, You are going to see that frontier pioneer spirit die off more and more as people become more, you know, adjusted to maybe Hamilton's vision of the United States versus Jefferson's vision. 0.99

02:34:44.000 What's Europeans being like, we got to get the fuck out of here? 0.98

02:34:46.000 That is like our pioneer spirit comes from that. 1.00

02:34:49.000 Like, I got to get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:34:50.000 Well, it was better to live in a barren shore and risk death than to stay in London. 0.99

02:34:54.000 Yeah.

02:34:55.000 Here's the key parts of Europe, in particular England, hunting, not legal.

02:34:59.000 Hunting, not legal.

02:35:00.000 Because the belief was that any wildlife, like wild game, were specifically owned, they were the property of the monarchy.

02:35:07.000 Yep.

02:35:07.000 And so you were able to have your porridge, maybe your red meat once a month, once a couple times a year.

02:35:14.000 You and your whole family are starving on your vegan diet, basically, mandated by the monarchy.

02:35:20.000 50% plus child mortality rate, not getting real food for your diet.

02:35:24.000 And meanwhile, the deer is going by.

02:35:26.000 There's a wild pig. 0.86

02:35:26.000 There's all this wildlife that, if you are caught eating it, killing it, obviously, death penalty. 0.86

02:35:35.000 Yeah.

02:35:36.000 Meanwhile, the stories begin to come back.

02:35:38.000 From the new world, the abundance, the fish, the fowl, the deer.

02:35:45.000 It's abundance.

02:35:47.000 You know how bad it will continue to be as it has been for generations in this land.

02:35:54.000 It's risk management.

02:35:54.000 Yeah.

02:35:57.000 And what is the payoff?

02:35:58.000 Where is it like comfort versus uncertainty that could be very uncomfortable?

02:36:04.000 You know what's going to happen here.

02:36:06.000 You don't know what's going to happen there.

02:36:08.000 High risk, but the upside is as high in your estimation.

02:36:14.000 Do we have anything like that in modernity?

02:36:16.000 Not the moon.

02:36:17.000 What I would say is, you know, sometimes it is really difficult for me.

02:36:22.000 Being that I'm from 100 years in the future, came here with Trump and Elon.

02:36:27.000 And Baron.

02:36:29.000 Well, you know, Baron came afterwards.

02:36:30.000 He didn't come with us on the trip.

02:36:32.000 But it's funny because I can say this, no one will believe it anyway.

02:36:34.000 So if I tell the truth that we came from the future to control politics here to create what we want, and Elon is, of course, that's why he follows me on X because we all work together.

02:36:45.000 That's why Trump, you know, it's all coordinated.

02:36:47.000 That's why I was at Mar a Lago.

02:36:49.000 And we're creating a future intentionally and we can control everything.

02:36:53.000 But the funny thing is, like, people still actually believe it's possible to have a popular show, to be famous, to be wealthy.

02:37:02.000 No, it's all staged.

02:37:03.000 We orchestrate everything.

02:37:04.000 You were all chickens in a chicken coop, and no one will ever believe anything I'm saying right now.

02:37:07.000 It's true.

02:37:08.000 That's what bothers me is how people.

02:37:11.000 There's going to be like one or two people who are like, oh my God, is he telling the truth?

02:37:13.000 It's manifested in a real world.

02:37:15.000 Yeah, I don't want to know.

02:37:16.000 Yeah, it's hard to believe.

02:37:19.000 And they're going to be like, is he actually joking or not?

02:37:22.000 I don't know.

02:37:23.000 Yes and no. 1.00

02:37:24.000 And then someone's going to fucking shoot me. 0.99

02:37:25.000 There are multiversal. 0.99

02:37:27.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:37:28.000 I have to block it.

02:37:29.000 I do this all the time on Instagram.

02:37:31.000 Like, people will make comments about me, and I'll find some small account. 0.98

02:37:36.000 It'll get recommended, and I'll have like a thousand followers, and they'll talk shit about me. 0.93

02:37:39.000 And then I'll comment. 0.91

02:37:40.000 I'll be like their only comment, and I'll be like, We control everything.

02:37:44.000 There is no free press, and no one will ever believe you, even if you show them this comment. 1.00

02:37:48.000 Just to fuck with them. 1.00

02:37:50.000 I have to block Israel Cast now. 1.00

02:37:53.000 Israel Cast.

02:37:54.000 I think if you tell enough people something and they believe it, It tends towards becoming reality, like a placebo effect.

02:38:02.000 And I don't know if that's critical mass.

02:38:03.000 You arrive with a critical thought mass, is what I think.

02:38:06.000 Thoughts have weight.

02:38:08.000 We got to get more calls.

02:38:09.000 Let's go, baby.

02:38:09.000 I'm sorry.

02:38:10.000 Did you want to shout anything out, Lucky Bear?

02:38:11.000 Thought mass.

02:38:12.000 Check it out.

02:38:13.000 Hang on to Discord in the morning.

02:38:13.000 Yeah.

02:38:15.000 We had Josie hang out with us on Monday with Sammy and got to get in and check it out.

02:38:21.000 Thank you for calling in, bro.

02:38:21.000 Awesome.

02:38:23.000 Thank you for asking me.

02:38:24.000 I mean, because that's something I could spur out on.

02:38:26.000 Yeah, it was a great one.

02:38:27.000 That's crazy.

02:38:27.000 I love hearing about it.

02:38:28.000 We didn't even get to the Norman yoke, and that's what Trump called the bluff.

02:38:31.000 On today.

02:38:32.000 Maybe Major Elric wants to ask you about the same thing.

02:38:35.000 Major Elric, brother.

02:38:36.000 Please don't.

02:38:37.000 No, please don't.

02:38:38.000 We'll be here all night.

02:38:39.000 Yo, how's it going, everybody?

02:38:40.000 Hey, good.

02:38:41.000 What's going on?

02:38:43.000 What is, brother?

02:38:43.000 I've got a question for Cliff and Josh.

02:38:47.000 So I've long held the belief that right aligned candidates need to spend time describing the outcomes of their proposed policies.

02:38:54.000 The left will regularly paint a picture of their perception of the communist utopia they plan to bring about, yet I've never seen anyone on the right bother to describe the shining city on a hill.

02:39:05.000 Does this weigh in at all to the strategies described in your book?

02:39:09.000 I think so.

02:39:10.000 I think there's an aspect to this that is, it goes like this.

02:39:14.000 Methoding doesn't matter until it becomes the only thing that matters, and nothing else matters at that point.

02:39:18.000 And what we mean by that is the first several of the 18 steps, and then the latter few, have to do with sort of your campaign infrastructure of getting the people on board that you need, the donors that you need, the ground game, the database, the software.

02:39:35.000 The follow up, it's basically becomes a marketing funnel, and there's this entire structure that your campaign needs in order to be successful.

02:39:42.000 That said, what is this campaign?

02:39:45.000 When it finally reaches the door, it reaches the mailbox, it reaches the phone, that's when the message is what matters.

02:39:54.000 And it's the only thing that matters at that point.

02:39:55.000 Because if you botch that and you've done everything else right, and then don't give people a compelling reason to vote for you at the end.

02:40:03.000 Yeah, one thing the botching of the messaging, yes, you're 100% correct.

02:40:07.000 Democrats are amazing at this, they stay on message.

02:40:10.000 Republicans, you know, they get a little too esoteric.

02:40:13.000 They talk about data, they talk about numbers, they're not talking about outcomes.

02:40:17.000 Right.

02:40:17.000 They're talking about dry policy.

02:40:19.000 One of the things in the book that we talk about is something called the Leesburg Grid.

02:40:22.000 And what this is for anyone that doesn't think that Pelosi, Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, like they're doing this weekly.

02:40:31.000 Every single week, they're doing a Leesburg Grid.

02:40:32.000 And what that is, is you have four quadrants you have what you want voters to think about you, what you want voters to think about your political enemies, what your political enemies want voters to think about you, and what your political enemy wants people to think about themselves.

02:40:49.000 And so you have these kind of messages or these adjectives that are in these boxes, these four quadrants.

02:40:56.000 And if you're winning, it's because you're staying in the first two quadrants what you want people to think of you and what you want people to think of your political opponent.

02:41:06.000 If at any time you're talking about the other two quadrants, you're losing.

02:41:10.000 Republicans continuously like to lose, Democrats like to stay on message.

02:41:15.000 They're very, very specific, they've got good patience, and they're disciplined.

02:41:22.000 How valuable is it that in the bottom two quadrants to talk up your own game and to talk down your opponent's game?

02:41:27.000 Because one of the things I noticed about Obama when he ran in 08, he never talked about other people.

02:41:31.000 He only talked about himself and what he saw.

02:41:34.000 And it was like, I didn't even think about Hillary because he wasn't talking about Hillary.

02:41:38.000 So do you guys wait?

02:41:39.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I think the polling will tell you, though, because you don't talk about your opponent if you don't need to.

02:41:44.000 If Hillary would have started to climb up, he would have had to have gone negative on her.

02:41:47.000 He would have had to kind of pull away and be direct. 0.98

02:41:51.000 But our rule is this.

02:41:51.000 Let's say you guys are running for office.

02:41:53.000 If somebody goes negative on you, you never respond directly with what the negative was. 1.00

02:41:57.000 I mean, unless you got caught with your pants down or something where it's literally fucking a pig. 0.99

02:42:02.000 You have to come out. 1.00

02:42:04.000 I promise that pig loved it.

02:42:05.000 But there's a really good line that we talk about in the book, which is instead of addressing the negative. 0.79

02:42:12.000 So let's say somebody says, Oh, Ian's a radical.

02:42:17.000 You would say, You run against Bob Smith.

02:42:20.000 Bob Smith.

02:42:21.000 Is lying about my record because he doesn't want you to know that he inserted one of the negatives from the quadrant we want to be in.

02:42:30.000 Right?

02:42:30.000 So you're acknowledging the negatives are out there, but it's a lie.

02:42:33.000 And then you're transitioning to one of your talking points.

02:42:36.000 Is it ever possible to turn their negative talking point into a positive?

02:42:40.000 Yes, with this one.

02:42:41.000 Can I jump in real quick?

02:42:42.000 Yeah, good.

02:42:42.000 That's a perfect example.

02:42:44.000 The technique is called embrace and amplify.

02:42:46.000 Like, oh, he's a radical.

02:42:48.000 And you say, yes, I'm radically for these three things that are going to get you what you want.

02:42:55.000 And then you talk.

02:42:56.000 You start to tell exactly to your voters.

02:42:58.000 That one's a real easy one, too.

02:43:01.000 If someone were to say, like, if I was a commie and they were like, he's a radical leftist, I would say he's absolutely right because what have these moderates gotten us?

02:43:09.000 No working health care, no movement in Congress.

02:43:13.000 It takes a radical to bring up the change you need and I want to bring to you.

02:43:16.000 And he just won 50 votes.

02:43:18.000 Thanks to your attack ad.

02:43:18.000 Yeah.

02:43:20.000 If you are like, hey, you can't say that, but that's bad, that's an ad hominem attack.

02:43:25.000 That just loses you votes.

02:43:27.000 If you try and be like, hey, what you just did is unfair, it's just like no one cares.

02:43:30.000 That's right. 1.00

02:43:31.000 I am racist against the J. 1.00

02:43:34.000 I was going to say Japs. 1.00

02:43:37.000 I think in the post Trump world, things are a lot different when it comes to negative ads.

02:43:42.000 Just because, I mean, Shane Gillis does the whole thing when he talks about like the first debate where Trump comes out and it's like he just starts owning people.

02:43:50.000 And like people are like, well, of course he's like a professional TV guy.

02:43:54.000 These are politicians, right?

02:43:56.000 Like this wasn't fair.

02:43:57.000 Lil Marco, Ryan Ted.

02:43:59.000 Yeah, I think most of the negatives these days have like DUI.

02:44:03.000 In most states, even in Republican primaries, nobody cares.

02:44:08.000 That used to be a like, hey, you might have to drop out of the race because you got no chance at winning.

02:44:08.000 Right.

02:44:12.000 If that gets you.

02:44:13.000 It used to be going, hey, this would destroy your chance.

02:44:17.000 Times have changed.

02:44:18.000 You know, remember there was that story about the, I believe it was a Virginia Senate Democrat candidate.

02:44:24.000 She apparently has some sort of adult entertainment channel, herself and her husband.

02:44:30.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:32.000 And so one of my predictions was that she was not going to drop out because of that.

02:44:37.000 In fact, that actually endears her to her base.

02:44:42.000 Yeah, to awfuls.

02:44:43.000 Yes.

02:44:44.000 Who did that sort of thing as well?

02:44:44.000 100%.

02:44:46.000 It's like, and when you're like, vote for someone just like me who did that once for a couple of months and I only made $100 from it and never did it again, I promise. 0.99

02:44:53.000 No, no, what happened was they were like, she's a whore. 0.97

02:44:56.000 And then she went, that's right, I am. 1.00

02:44:58.000 And I'll fuck you if you vote for me. 1.00

02:45:00.000 And guys were like, let's go. 1.00

02:45:02.000 And then they all got in line.

02:45:06.000 At some point, owning your dirty past, like if you can really own it, that will win you elections.

02:45:11.000 Oh, yes. 0.98

02:45:11.000 So many of the reasons, so many of the sort of the womanizing stories that would otherwise. 0.98

02:45:15.000 Haunt any other given candidate because it was sort of already formed into the price of a Trump vote with his name ID already.

02:45:25.000 And it's like he's really mellowed out over the years.

02:45:28.000 One of the most interesting viral videos on X that's been reposted from sometime in the late 1980s is about him and a model who, for the duration of the video, he is incessantly commenting about her weight gain, about how important it is for her.

02:45:46.000 And she's like standing right there.

02:45:49.000 And this is what we have on this aggressive regimen. 1.00

02:45:51.000 Don't look so good with those extra 20, 30 pounds.

02:45:54.000 And these days, we sort of consider that dehumanizing.

02:45:57.000 I'm surprised that video did not resurface at any point in any of the campaigns.

02:46:02.000 They got mad because they realized none of these things worked on Trump supporters.

02:46:05.000 Yeah, he was a beauty pageant owner, runner. 0.92

02:46:08.000 They were like, he's racist.

02:46:09.000 And all the racists were like, really? 0.99

02:46:11.000 And they were like, he's a sexist. 0.86

02:46:12.000 And all sexists were like, really? 0.57

02:46:15.000 Not sexist enough. 0.55

02:46:16.000 And then everyone who's neither racist nor sexist goes, The left really hates this guy.

02:46:20.000 Exactly.

02:46:21.000 I'm going to vote for him.

02:46:24.000 So, in the, we actually have a chapter on the right after Trump and what we both predict and warn against.

02:46:24.000 Yes.

02:46:34.000 And one of the things we warn against is don't try to be like Donald Trump in the ways that you are not Donald Trump because that shtick will just not work for you.

02:46:41.000 But one of the things that you do want to carry forward is a sort of radical authenticity that simply goes, yeah, so what?

02:46:50.000 Oh, attack, attack, attack.

02:46:51.000 Yeah, so what?

02:46:52.000 And that's your personality, and not like, oh, well, what about this thing in my past?

02:46:56.000 Or this could get me, or that could get me, that could get me.

02:46:58.000 All of that needs to have come out in your own.

02:47:01.000 I've actually been thinking just about how to deal with that.

02:47:03.000 Yeah, so what? 0.70

02:47:04.000 And the campaign idea I had was anytime anyone says I was paid by Russia, I would say yes, but they paid me to be anti Israel.

02:47:12.000 Then they're going to be like, wait, I don't know if I'm mad anymore.

02:47:15.000 It's like, that's right.

02:47:17.000 Double agent.

02:47:17.000 Figure it out.

02:47:18.000 You were being paid by Putin to attack Israel.

02:47:21.000 That's right.

02:47:21.000 Really?

02:47:25.000 I do enjoy that I'm being paid by everybody.

02:47:27.000 Yeah, it makes it a little easier.

02:47:29.000 The funny thing is, no one realizes that I'm actually going to be paid by Korea this whole time. 1.00

02:47:33.000 Fucking base, dude. 0.99

02:47:33.000 Yeah, they've been funding me. 0.99

02:47:35.000 Do you want to add anything or shout anything out, brother?

02:47:39.000 Yeah, just like to shout out our buddy Phil and get some more support and word around the Fathers and Sons Act of 2026.

02:47:48.000 So hopefully everybody checks that out and we can advocate Congress to get that passed.

02:47:53.000 Right on.

02:47:54.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:47:55.000 Thanks, man.

02:47:56.000 Yes, sir.

02:47:58.000 Next up, we've got Brian Threat Bear.

02:48:01.000 Oh, Threat Bear.

02:48:03.000 Sup, man.

02:48:05.000 What's up?

02:48:08.000 I'm a longtime caller, longtime listener.

02:48:11.000 I'm amazed that I'm going third instead of not first or last.

02:48:17.000 Just trying to make sure you are not first or last.

02:48:21.000 That's amazing.

02:48:23.000 Anyway, my question is for the entire panel.

02:48:26.000 It's about the first segment.

02:48:28.000 You guys were kind of all ragging on Pam Bondi.

02:48:30.000 She didn't get anything done.

02:48:33.000 She botched the Epstein files.

02:48:35.000 Have you ever thought about. 0.65

02:48:36.000 Have you ever thought about maybe that wasn't her job?

02:48:41.000 To take one job. 1.00

02:48:43.000 Her job was to clean up the Justice Department, rotary all the calcified junk out of the pipes, and create the structure so that now all these indictments we see dropping can actually happen. 1.00

02:49:00.000 And maybe some folks might actually go to jail.

02:49:04.000 Well, to be fair, the indictments must have been in the works while she was still head of the DOJ, or she was AG, so.

02:49:10.000 Yeah.

02:49:11.000 And then maybe she finished cleaning things up and she said, Thank you, everybody, shook their hands and left.

02:49:15.000 I think she got kind of taken for a ride with the Epstein release.

02:49:18.000 I don't think she knew that it was coming out all redacted like it was.

02:49:22.000 My opinion is that she did because I had a number of conversations with people who were given the sort of the phase one binder.

02:49:28.000 Yep.

02:49:29.000 That was just a horrific nightmare of a PR debacle.

02:49:34.000 Not one thing that's very difficult to do. 1.00

02:49:38.000 I call them the Binder Brigade, the people that I do not trust on X. 1.00

02:49:41.000 Yes. 1.00

02:49:42.000 So as.

02:49:44.000 As far as I could tell, that was entirely Pam Bonney's doing.

02:49:49.000 They were there for a new media reception with the White House, and they meet with Donald Trump.

02:49:55.000 And then Pam Bonney calls them into this side room and in this conference room, and would you like to see the Epstein files, basically?

02:50:02.000 And then just hands out all of these binders and, like, oh, what are these?

02:50:06.000 And it's just, oh, this is phase one.

02:50:08.000 And everyone was very taken aback and kind of surprised.

02:50:10.000 And so, this is new information?

02:50:11.000 No, this is no new information.

02:50:13.000 Okay, then what are we doing here?

02:50:16.000 Well, what I was told by Mike was that they were given the binders and told not to look at them just yet.

02:50:21.000 Just take them and go and then read them later.

02:50:23.000 There's an embargo.

02:50:25.000 Somebody looked.

02:50:26.000 Because the letter that's inside got leaked right away.

02:50:26.000 They did, yeah.

02:50:29.000 So I received one of the letters that was like, here's why.

02:50:32.000 It was like Pam Bondi's letter to.

02:50:35.000 Who did she write a letter to?

02:50:37.000 She wrote a letter to Cash about how the New York office was not releasing documents.

02:50:41.000 And I was told explicitly, there's an embargo until three.

02:50:45.000 Don't release this.

02:50:45.000 And then Benny Johnson tweeted it.

02:50:47.000 So.

02:50:47.000 I don't know how you got it, but they were told not to look at it.

02:50:51.000 And so they walked out holding up the binders, looking like fools. 0.72

02:50:55.000 And then I can't remember who I was talking to, but I was like, yeah, there's a reason why we didn't get invited. 0.96

02:51:00.000 It was like a more lefty journalist.

02:51:02.000 And it was like both of us would have immediately said, F no. 1.00

02:51:04.000 We'd open them up right away and then be like, this is bullshit. 0.97

02:51:07.000 So we did not get invited to that event. 0.91

02:51:10.000 I thought that Bondi, I can't really refute what you're saying, that she really was rotor rooting in the inside because a lot of that stuff happened behind closed doors, but that she was kind of like a second choice quick pick after Matt Gaetz couldn't get through.

02:51:22.000 And not that she was the best. 1.00

02:51:24.000 She was a blonde woman. 1.00

02:51:25.000 Trump likes those blonde women. 1.00

02:51:27.000 So maybe like.

02:51:28.000 Yeah, he's kind of Berlusconi esque.

02:51:30.000 Yeah, get the hotness in there to trick people into doing what you want.

02:51:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:34.000 No, he just likes being around.

02:51:35.000 The joke is that he was sitting in a room full of business guys, and Alina Hava walked in, and then she brought paperwork and then left.

02:51:45.000 And then they all noticed she was young and attractive.

02:51:47.000 And then one of the guys was like, Is she a good lawyer?

02:51:50.000 And Trump went, Nope, but she's good to look at.

02:51:52.000 And then they all laughed.

02:51:54.000 Keeps morale up around the house.

02:51:54.000 Yeah.

02:51:58.000 I don't know if he actually said that about Alina Hava, but that's just like a rumor I heard.

02:52:00.000 I thought he was like 64, right?

02:52:02.000 65, 63. 0.99

02:52:03.000 Pam Bundy. 0.83

02:52:03.000 Who is? 0.83

02:52:04.000 Yeah, Oh, wow.

02:52:06.000 I know. 1.00

02:52:06.000 She didn't look like that. 1.00

02:52:08.000 I know.

02:52:08.000 I don't know how much of that is like plastic surgery or how much of it is great genetics or what.

02:52:12.000 But, Pam, shout out.

02:52:13.000 You're doing great.

02:52:14.000 Doing well.

02:52:14.000 I hope you feel good.

02:52:15.000 Surgery and all that stuff.

02:52:16.000 What a job that must have been.

02:52:19.000 Indeed.

02:52:20.000 Well, that is a good point you bring up, sir.

02:52:21.000 Did you want to add anything to that?

02:52:24.000 Well, nothing added to that.

02:52:25.000 But, Tim, I got to take you to task a little bit.

02:52:29.000 You opened the uncensored segment up by repeating a word that is banned on Discord.

02:52:36.000 I cannot repeat that word.

02:52:38.000 Yeah.

02:52:39.000 Well, that's Discord.

02:52:40.000 Yeah.

02:52:40.000 That's the issue.

02:52:41.000 Like, our attitude is like, if someone came here and we had a gay dude here and they were attacking him, calling him a faggot over and over again, we'd be like, bro, chill the fuck out. 1.00

02:52:53.000 Like, I'm saying faggot, not in the South Park way. 1.00

02:52:56.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:52:56.000 Like, the intentionally derogatory. 0.99

02:52:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:52:59.000 So, Rumble doesn't have a problem with that.

02:53:00.000 So, we don't have a problem with it.

02:53:02.000 Discord will ban everybody and shut everything down if you do.

02:53:05.000 So, we adhere to their rules. 1.00

02:53:07.000 This is shit like the entire damn server. 1.00

02:53:10.000 If I say it right now in this call. 1.00

02:53:13.000 So, yeah.

02:53:15.000 Well, so the issue is we have the reason we created the gate where it's like you sign up and there's a wait period is because we started getting a bunch of attacks.

02:53:23.000 Leftists and, you know, the Israel people are trying to come in and intentionally get the Discord banned.

02:53:30.000 So we were like, we need to create some kind of buffer where there's either a paywall or a time gate that's going to make it very difficult for these people to try and blow up the Discord. 0.92

02:53:39.000 And so that's why we did it.

02:53:41.000 And then we have to have moderators watching it all, like at all time, to try and prevent them from blowing it up.

02:53:47.000 I only bring it up because I am one of your moderators.

02:53:49.000 So I appreciate it, man. 0.99

02:53:51.000 But, but, like, how often do I ever say faggot on the show? 1.00

02:53:53.000 I almost never do. 1.00

02:53:53.000 This is the first time. 1.00

02:53:54.000 Yeah, fair enough.

02:53:56.000 My main take is that calling someone a name and saying a word are different.

02:54:00.000 Like calling someone a dickwad and saying dickwad is a term used by people too is a same sound, different meaning. 0.99

02:54:08.000 Well, I'm trying to insult the Israel lunatics. 1.00

02:54:11.000 Faggot on the. 1.00

02:54:12.000 Oh, that's me. 1.00

02:54:12.000 Sorry. 1.00

02:54:13.000 Yeah, they're all nuts. 0.98

02:54:14.000 Honestly, honestly, we just got jackass open back up on the Discord. 0.98

02:54:18.000 So thank you, Olivia.

02:54:20.000 And I'll, yeah.

02:54:22.000 Thanks, guys.

02:54:23.000 I love the community.

02:54:25.000 And that's why I'm saying anything.

02:54:26.000 I just don't want the community getting shut down.

02:54:28.000 I agree.

02:54:29.000 And so we had talked a couple of years ago about building our own version and trying to figure that out.

02:54:33.000 The problem is, it's like a half a million dollar project.

02:54:35.000 We're just not capable of doing it.

02:54:36.000 Element is a good software.

02:54:38.000 We wanted to find an open source version that we control and they can't ban us.

02:54:42.000 Element, but.

02:54:43.000 It's not functionally anywhere.

02:54:44.000 That's the challenge.

02:54:45.000 This one's awesome.

02:54:46.000 So, we need to figure that one out for that reason.

02:54:48.000 And we had been talking about it.

02:54:49.000 It's just we are not developers in that way.

02:54:51.000 So, maybe we'll figure out something for that because I'd love it if we could just, people would say whatever they wanted, you know?

02:54:58.000 Amen, brother.

02:54:59.000 Thanks for having me on and I will self the port.

02:55:02.000 All right.

02:55:03.000 Thank you, sir.

02:55:03.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:55:05.000 All right.

02:55:06.000 Last but not least, we've got One Skynet.

02:55:09.000 Yo, what up?

02:55:11.000 Mr. Skynet.

02:55:13.000 Hello, sir.

02:55:13.000 Or ma'am.

02:55:14.000 Or welcome to the show.

02:55:15.000 You're me.

02:55:16.000 There it goes.

02:55:17.000 Hello.

02:55:18.000 How are you guys doing today?

02:55:20.000 Pretty good.

02:55:20.000 How's it going, Catherine?

02:55:23.000 Yeah, I'm glad to hear it.

02:55:24.000 Well, thank you for having me.

02:55:26.000 I've been a long time viewer and I've called a couple times in the past.

02:55:30.000 And yeah, I just wanted to run something by you.

02:55:33.000 I don't know if this just slipped your radar, Tim, or if it's just something you haven't talked about, or maybe I missed the video, but there's been some movement in the poly market or some situation there.

02:55:44.000 I guess the guy who made like $400,000 was arrested.

02:55:48.000 Yep.

02:55:49.000 He's a special forces agent.

02:55:51.000 And yeah, I never heard any of your input.

02:55:53.000 I've been curious just because you've talked so much about it in recent days.

02:55:56.000 Yeah.

02:55:56.000 I wanted to get your opinion.

02:55:58.000 What's your thoughts there?

02:56:00.000 We did mention it on the show, but we didn't actually get to it as a story segment.

02:56:04.000 So we had it lined up, and then someone on the show mentioned, oh, yeah, that guy got arrested.

02:56:07.000 Um, I don't think he did anything wrong.

02:56:11.000 I guess he pled not guilty today.

02:56:12.000 I don't think he did anything wrong.

02:56:15.000 I don't think.

02:56:17.000 So, my argument is that he is not selling contracts and he has no responsibility as a contract seller or buyer.

02:56:23.000 He is a member of the public who has access to information.

02:56:27.000 The issue with insider trading, in my opinion, is if I am the one selling while knowing the secret, that's fraud. 0.99

02:56:34.000 But if Tate is selling a product, imagine this way Imagine Tate goes, I've got this great wolf box blower, and I go, Oh my fucking God. 0.58

02:56:43.000 That's the legendary, unique, one of a kind, original 2026 Wolfbox orange and black worth a million dollars. 0.96

02:56:50.000 He has no idea.

02:56:51.000 I'd like to buy that.

02:56:52.000 20 bucks?

02:56:52.000 How much?

02:56:53.000 Done deal.

02:56:54.000 Is that fraud?

02:56:55.000 No.

02:56:56.000 I have nothing to do with what he wants to do.

02:56:57.000 He chose to sell it.

02:56:58.000 I chose to buy it.

02:56:59.000 I knew the real value of that contract, I knew the real value of that sale.

02:57:04.000 Polymarket sold a contract.

02:57:06.000 That's not his responsibility.

02:57:08.000 Him knowing something has nothing to do with whether or not they want to make wages against it.

02:57:13.000 So I think he did nothing wrong.

02:57:15.000 And I think the issue is.

02:57:16.000 I disagree with that.

02:57:17.000 From what I've been seeing, it almost looks like they're coming at him from violating his position in the military.

02:57:24.000 Well, they're arguing.

02:57:26.000 Having access to this.

02:57:27.000 That's what I was reading.

02:57:28.000 They're arguing it's a leak.

02:57:30.000 But the issue is that it was anonymously purchased in a pool of other purchasers.

02:57:33.000 So I think it's totally legit.

02:57:35.000 I reject the idea that I would be responsible for insider trading based on what someone else is selling.

02:57:42.000 Right.

02:57:42.000 So let's put it this way in this room right now, can I pull up the call sheet press briefing thing?

02:57:46.000 Show you guys?

02:57:47.000 Hold it.

02:57:48.000 Pull it up, sir. 1.00

02:57:51.000 Who am I still on this stupid thing? 0.99

02:57:53.000 Give me the deets. 1.00

02:57:55.000 Yep, Tim Pools, number two.

02:57:55.000 Who will it?

02:57:57.000 Who will attend a White House press briefing this year? 0.98

02:57:59.000 And I'm like, how the fuck does this get made? 0.98

02:58:03.000 This offends me. 0.97

02:58:04.000 Not that Kalshi is doing anything.

02:58:06.000 It offends me the idea that it would be insider trading for me to say, right here in this room with Ian in full presence, tomorrow I will be at a press briefing.

02:58:15.000 And then if Ian buys that, they would argue that's insider trading.

02:58:19.000 No, I am not an insider to this company, nor do I sell contracts.

02:58:22.000 Let's put it this way.

02:58:24.000 Let's say I have no idea the contract exists.

02:58:26.000 And I'm sitting here in this room in front of everybody, and I say, Yeah, I'm going to go to the press briefing tomorrow.

02:58:30.000 It's going to be fun.

02:58:31.000 Ian then finds out later they're selling contracts, and he goes, Oh, yeah, I'm going to buy yes because I think Tim is going.

02:58:38.000 That's a crime.

02:58:39.000 They're trying to argue that's a crime. 1.00

02:58:40.000 No, bullshit. 0.99

02:58:41.000 Ian and I are both members of the public. 0.99

02:58:43.000 You've made a bet against me without my knowledge, intention, or involvement. 0.97

02:58:49.000 I can say whatever the fuck I want to whoever I want, and they can buy your product. 1.00

02:58:53.000 That's your own fucking problem. 1.00

02:58:54.000 You know, the argument that a soldier maybe leaked something is interesting because if troops start going on Kalshi and saying, yes, we think there's going to be a strike tomorrow, enemy combatants will predict it. 0.99

02:59:05.000 They will see the prediction spike.

02:59:07.000 And the problem is you can't control for that.

02:59:10.000 Right.

02:59:11.000 You can't do it.

02:59:12.000 I think Trump's reaction is the right reaction.

02:59:12.000 Right.

02:59:15.000 When they asked him, and they were like, well, he was like, well, did he say, It would be successful against the U.S. He's like, that's like Pete Rose.

02:59:25.000 You know, as long as you're betting on the good guys, I don't care.

02:59:27.000 Yeah, he's right.

02:59:28.000 I think that's accurate.

02:59:29.000 And he has nothing to do with the sale of that contract.

02:59:31.000 And he didn't even know if it would be successful.

02:59:34.000 He was just like, well, I know we're going in, so I bet it'll, you know.

02:59:37.000 I'm, yeah, I think he did nothing wrong.

02:59:43.000 What's that?

02:59:44.000 The issue is these guys aren't supposed to be rich.

02:59:46.000 There's, if you're rich, you can't get clearance.

02:59:50.000 And if you're in debt, you can't get clearance.

02:59:52.000 The issue is if, imagine you are like, you're enlisted, right?

02:59:59.000 Yeah, because they became leveraged.

03:00:00.000 Yeah, well, so, so, rich or, Yeah.

03:00:03.000 So if you're a millionaire and you try to enlist, they're going to reject you.

03:00:06.000 Really?

03:00:06.000 Yeah.

03:00:07.000 Because the fear is there's going to be, like, what's the salary for an NCO?

03:00:12.000 60, 70K maybe?

03:00:13.000 60, yeah.

03:00:14.000 So you're going to be able to go to that guy and you're going to be like, hey, look, man, I'll give you 50 grand.

03:00:14.000 Yeah.

03:00:18.000 Just go easy on me and give them the hard shit. 1.00

03:00:21.000 And money talks and bullshit walks. 1.00

03:00:23.000 For clearance, the concern is if you're in debt massively, you'd sell secrets. 0.91

03:00:27.000 So that's why.

03:00:30.000 Secret service is the exact same thing.

03:00:32.000 Like, if you have any debt whatsoever.

03:00:34.000 You're like not even allowed to apply.

03:00:36.000 Yeah.

03:00:37.000 Because you will sell out your position.

03:00:39.000 Well, yeah.

03:00:39.000 Yeah.

03:00:40.000 And in the past, I mean, no rich guy would ever want to unless he'd want to be an officer. 0.98

03:00:43.000 Those people saying Trump wasn't a draft dodger are just bullshit because, well, he's rich. 0.94

03:00:49.000 So he never would have been considered anyway. 0.98

03:00:53.000 It's not so obvious where it's like a rich guy might bribe an NCO or his direct commanding officer or anything like that.

03:00:59.000 But there's a lot of concerns with being ultra wealthy because it's not just that.

03:01:04.000 You, as a wealthy family member or individual, could have influence, but that you're going to be well connected in some way.

03:01:11.000 And as a wealthy person, there's typically economic ties to you that, like, if you were to die, could risk the community.

03:01:18.000 So let's say you own a network of restaurants that generate 20% of the economy in a small town area, and you're like, I want to go fight in a war.

03:01:26.000 They're going to be like, if you die, who's going to run these?

03:01:29.000 If you leave, who's going to run this?

03:01:30.000 These jobs are lost.

03:01:32.000 Like, there's restrictions and limitations for those reasons, too.

03:01:36.000 That makes a lot of sense.

03:01:37.000 Yeah, I guess it just seems like this is an inevitability because you've talked about that in the past, like the example that you brought up and with yourself.

03:01:45.000 It's like if you're being told, I can't bet on this or I can't bet on this.

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