Jack Posobik fills in for the late, great Tim Poole on today's show. We discuss the latest in the case of Shiloh Hendrix, a viral video of a young girl defending herself with battle axes against a couple of migrants, and more!
00:03:46.000Of course, obviously, we've got to rock this.
00:03:49.000first story, we kind of touched on it yesterday regarding the 600,000 Chinese student visas.
00:03:57.000This comment that was made has absolutely set the internet on fire.
00:04:01.000There is a MAGA backlash and uproar, if you will, to this.
00:04:06.000And it comes on the same day that a Chinese student, a doctoral student, has been accused of stealing confidential U.S. government research in the United States.
00:04:20.000We're going to get into, of course, charges on Shiloh Hendrix, which is a massive story out.
00:04:26.000We're going to get a massive story out of Rochester, Minnesota.
00:04:29.000We're also going to get into this, this viral video, insane video out of Scotland of a young girl having to defend herself with battle axes against a couple of migrants, her and her sister.
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00:05:22.000If you're running around, if Tim Poole suddenly gets sick and you've got to fill in for him on a moment's notice and be at the White House on the same day for the longest cabinet meeting in history, one of our other guests is going to talk about that as well.
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00:06:11.000Another piece that I wanted to get to and I I'm remiss.
00:06:15.000I am remiss for not knowing this yesterday.
00:06:18.000We should have checked yesterday in the member section we were talking about psycho stew, better known as Stuart Smith, the boxer in this hyperviral video that's going out with Rampage Jackson's son, Raja Jackson.
00:06:33.000We didn't realize that Psycho Sue, I didn't realize this, that he had a GoFundMe.
00:06:37.000So guys, let's go in here and do everything we can.
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00:06:46.000Search, get the link out so that people can see it.
00:07:08.000Let's do everything we can for this guy because this is, you know, it's a horrible thing to see, but it's absolutely something that deserves to be helped with.
00:07:18.000But we have a great show tonight and we have a guest who's going to talk about that and possibly a lot more because folks, I believe, first time on Timcast, right?
00:08:32.000Once when I'm overdosing on drugs, the other time I took a knife to the neck coming out of a bar, they slit my throat, and I almost died there.
00:08:38.000Came back and didn't have a successful comeback after that.
00:08:59.000But I just felt compelled to go into the world of, I would like to say I kind of follow the deep state war on the politics going on behind the scenes.
00:09:34.000still watching everything and i think it's just absolutely uh for me it's it's it's like it's unbelievable to see how trump is quote-unquote beating the odds where he's at right now and seeing everything that's happening but uh i see strategy i see brilliance and i see an operation no we did great i remember doing nino's corner last year when we were doing the push for the unhumans book and we did a great interview so absolutely let's have another one today people love you man ah not good but let's let's let's go around the horn and here's a guy that i have not seen uh in in ages
00:10:04.000it's a lot what's up man good evening everybody why are we both so tan today i don't know i didn't think um holax could get that dark oh i get even darker than this brother i get even darker people people will mistake me for So good evening, everybody.
00:10:54.000And but but the the and and God bless them but the reason we were out there so long is because we they were having this cabinet meeting which turned, which they said, okay, they're going to have the cabinet meeting and then members of the cabinet will come out and you guys can interview them and it's going to be great.
00:11:10.000And so, you know, you know, we set up, we bring cameras, we do the whole thing.
00:11:14.000And they're like, okay, we're pretty sure the meeting is going to be, you know, maybe an hour and a half, maybe two hours max.
00:13:23.000But no, folks, we've got to get into this because we So we mentioned this story yesterday.
00:13:28.000It had come up and, you know, I think over the last 24 hours, it's absolutely just taken over the internet in a huge firestorm.
00:13:38.000Trump says the US would accept 600,000 Chinese students, sparking uproar among some conservatives.
00:13:44.000They talk about Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:13:46.000This is an NBC article, conservative influencer Laura Loomer blasting the idea.
00:13:51.000By the way, they keep pointing out that NBC has got this picture up of President Trump and they're talking about the Chinese students.
00:13:58.000Of course, this is the President of South Korea.
00:14:01.000It is not the President of China in the picture.
00:14:04.000Now, of course, now, to be fair, to be fair, you know.
00:14:08.000They're saying they're doing that because that's the meeting he was at when he made the comments.
00:14:13.000But at the same time, like, if I was at Human Events or Postmillennial, if I was doing graphics, I'd probably say, I just, I feel like it doesn't make sense to include him in this picture because the story is not about him.
00:14:48.000Yeah, in the meeting, he mentioned it and he says, I hope we have the idea.
00:14:52.000Well, so this new party of South Korea is a very pro-unification party and they're they have been accused of a lot of ties to the CCP.
00:15:04.000So they have a totally different line on North Korea than they than the other party, which is much more conservative, much more combative, much more anti-CCP, anti-communist.
00:15:15.000And so there's, you know, that's one of the things he's saying, well, you know, we want denuclearization, but we also want the Trump Tower and we want this and we want that and unification.
00:15:23.000And wouldn't it be great if Beijing took, wait, wait, what?
00:16:14.000This is a doubling of the Chinese student population in the United States or would be a doubling, which is also, by the way, there's so many Republicans that have been fighting against this.
00:16:26.000Marco Rubio has talked about this, the Secretary of State, so many other policymakers.
00:16:31.000Now, what's interesting is the White House has not responded to comments on this.
00:16:36.000And so look, you know, there's been a lot of times where President Trump has said something specifically regarding visas in one of these meetings where it doesn't really turn into policy from the White House.
00:16:47.000I'm wondering if this is going to be one of those conversations, one of those times, but we still have to talk about it.
00:16:52.000So yeah, Nina, you were mentioning this, the other side of it where there was a guy who was a kid who was just I believe charged, right?
00:17:01.000So he's actually been charged today down in Texas for attempting to steal research funded by the U.S. government and taking it back to his native China.
00:17:12.000Is this the first time this has happened, Nina?
00:17:17.000I'm watching people get kicked out of their homes, Abuelo's grandfathers that have families here that have kids and then that are Americanized that speak only English and then they have grandkids that speak only English and they're getting ready to deport the grandpa, you know, and then you're going to let in six hundred thousand Chinese students.
00:17:40.000I just see from an ethical standpoint, standpoint, I see something completely wrong with this, especially if they're the ones giving out the secrets.
00:17:48.000I mean, what's the Abuelo doing in El Paso?
00:17:50.000You know, that that that's just trying to live his life.
00:17:53.000I mean, I think there's we've got to come to a middle range here to where.
00:17:58.000we can argue the point of certain people staying, like a grandfather who's here, who's been here for thirty something years.
00:18:05.000And look, I see you shaking your head and I with it, but when you come to this, would you bring this up, you're going to let six thousand six hundred thousand chinese in i mean from a humanitarian point of view i i'm just i'm just saying i'm with you on this the chinese that the chinese are actual adversary.
00:18:25.000So allowing 600,000 Chinese nationals into the United States is a terrible thing.
00:18:34.000But I'm saying like, what do you tell the grandfather?
00:18:36.000You're going to allow them in, but what are you telling the abuelo who's sitting at home with his kids and grandkids, you gotta go back to Best.
00:19:43.000Which is usually roughly at least double what like someone who is in the state would pay for a lot of these schools.
00:19:49.000And a lot of these So we actually have in the article, I've got a number for you just to add to the steal man, I guess Chinese students contributed in 2023.
00:19:58.000So is it, what's the source for this though?
00:20:01.000NBC is claiming it, but there's no source.
00:20:03.000So NBC claims there's no source, but they're claiming that Chinese students contributed $14 billion to the U.S. economy.
00:20:14.000I'd like to know where that comes from.
00:20:15.000So whatever they contribute to tuition is one thing.
00:20:17.000Then there's like the total economic picture of what else they contribute here because when these people are here is, you know, they need to shop, they need to eat food, they need to buy things, and that's what they do.
00:20:30.000It's a huge subsidy to these colleges.
00:20:31.000I went to the university at Buffalo, it felt like half the college were these Chinese and Indian students, but without them, these colleges wouldn't be able to survive.
00:20:41.000There's something to say about the soft power aspect of this.
00:20:43.000While I think we have something like a sense of what's going on.
00:20:47.000Yeah, that there's a cultural aspect to this.
00:20:50.000Most people don't want to go to there are some people who shop around schools all around planet Earth, but the best schools generally that foreign students want to go to are schools in the United States and the cultural impact of some of your best and brightest from foreign countries coming here, in in ingrating yourself with American values and then taking that home.
00:21:08.000I think there's something to daughter, famously, I believe, went to Harvard for x number of years and the influence there can be untold.
00:21:16.000So I think we should also think of this in terms of the trade deficit that we have with China.
00:21:21.000This is essentially a trade item that could help balance that trade imbalance as well.
00:21:25.000And I think that's why they're going for a doubling.
00:21:27.000So while I do have concerns about the security aspect, I think these are rich Chinese people coming here with fat wallets.
00:21:33.000And I think these are probably the most western of Chinese people to begin with who would even consider coming here.
00:21:38.000I know you spent some time in China yourself.
00:21:41.000You know, what do you think about Trump using this as kind of in the aspect of trade, not too concerned using this as a tool to kind of try to leverage with President Xi?
00:21:50.000I think that it would, in a vacuum, you know, maybe.
00:21:54.000I would say, you know, that's a good point.
00:21:56.000But, you know, in the past 20, 30 years since the globalist project has been set up, our relationship with China has been absolutely toxic for this country.
00:22:07.000And it's deprived so many people of their jobs in terms of the manufacturing that's been outsourced at the blue-collar level.
00:22:16.000And what we're talking about here is depriving people of a pathway to a better life if you would have had the ability to make it into one of these schools.
00:22:24.000But you're, you know, you're some kid from the Midwest.
00:22:26.000And so you're playing for maybe scholarships or whatever it is, and you can't get one because they want that spot to go to some scion of the CCP elite that is able to pay full freight.
00:22:38.000And by the way, you know, to your point about the CCP's sending their kids here, Zhang Zemin's grandson went to UPenn like twenty years ago.
00:22:46.000And so this, you know, this has been going on for quite some time.
00:22:52.000And if anything, they've become more authoritarian.
00:22:54.000In Zhang Zemin, Hu Jintao were more technocratic, whereas Xi Jinping is much more authoritarian and certainly has been since he's taken power in 2012 and has remained and perhaps will be the Chinese, you know, the chairman of the party until long after we're all dead because he's going to be keeping himself immortal with Chinese power.
00:23:12.000And so, if anything, we've become more like China since this globalist relationship has begun.
00:23:20.000And so, you know, when I look at something like this, again, I still say, what is best for the American people first?
00:23:27.000See, that's what I have a problem with.
00:23:28.000I mean, the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab has said that the model for the world is China, the CCP China.
00:24:13.000I do agree that you got to come here legally, no doubt about it.
00:24:16.000But I mean, if we're really looking at the real numbers, we're looking at what, 30, 40 million illegals here in America.
00:24:24.000So funny enough, Alaud and I both interviewed the ICE director today, and you asked him about that number too, right?
00:24:30.000He couldn't even give us a solid number on how many are here.
00:24:33.000I asked him how many have they detained and deported so far, and what are their goals?
00:24:38.000I don't think anyone in the Trump cabinet is trying to get ahead of Trump himself though, and they don't want those numbers held against them, so I don't think they're trying to be firm and consistent.
00:24:48.000But you'd think that as I imagine though, as ICE, they probably have a number, right?
00:24:54.000Obviously they know how many have been deported, but I think there's probably a number that they have that's that's sort of a working operational number.
00:25:02.000But for reasons like that and also legal reasons, they're probably not putting it out publicly.
00:25:41.000Dude, my homie's nanny, they don't let her go to the park because they're scared she's going to get hurt.
00:25:45.000To your point, that's why, like, my opinion is the United Federal Government or not, well, the Federal Government should come down on people that employ illegal, really hard, and people that rent housing to illegal.
00:26:06.000So the next thing, because I don't, I've said this a bunch of times, I don't want to see ICE agents kicking in people's doors because if, first of all, it's bad for, it's bad for just optics, right?
00:26:18.000Like nobody wants to see grandma or grandpa getting drugged out of their bed by guys in body armor.
00:26:20.000That's just not something that anyone wants to see on the internet.
00:26:56.000If they're hiring people, well, just to answer his point that I've had it told to me because when Real ID was coming around and the Trump administration has sort of been, you know, they didn't come up with the, it's been on the books for, you know, a long time.
00:27:12.000But they are sort of administering this rollout.
00:27:14.000And I asked around and, you know, sort of on the background, yo, what's the deal?
00:27:18.000Like this, this thing is kind of unpopular.
00:27:20.000Why are we, you know, why are we still doing it?
00:27:22.000And that was sort of the response that I had was, you know, they do think it's something where, look, if you're an illegal, there's no way you're walking in and you have to present all those documents to get a basic ID, to get on planes, to go, to go.
00:27:36.000You'll be taken down right there and you're out.
00:28:22.000And I don't see anything happening in El Paso that's any different.
00:28:25.000I know that there have been some tunnels here and there that have been intercepted and stuff like that.
00:28:30.000But really, from everyone that I know of, everyone's waiting it out.
00:28:34.000Don't you think if they just crank up taxes on remittances that would force a lot of return.
00:28:39.000But these people, I mean, they're they're living just under the radar, bro, just scraping by and they're going to stay here and just hunker down.
00:29:55.000This is something that I did actually ask to the ICE director earlier today.
00:30:00.000We're going to be releasing this a little while, but sorry, you can see the whole thing on Human Events Daily, but I am going to mention what he said.
00:30:09.000I said, you know, I've noticed the way they're targeting some of these raids.
00:30:12.000It seems that when the businesses are getting raided, it seems like you guys are actually going after the business owners even more than just the workers.
00:30:27.000He said, he confirmed, I was surprised that he confirmed that because I haven't seen any, you know, operational statement out there saying that they're.
00:30:34.000you know, making that the priority for ICE enforcement.
00:30:37.000But he said, we're absolutely looking at for these flagrant, you know, and it could be a supermarket.
00:30:42.000It could be a slaughterhouse, whatever it might be, that it's, they know the places, right?
00:30:48.000They know the places that are doing the hiring.
00:30:50.000They know the places that are putting out fake IDs, stolen social security numbers, this idea, oh, they don't access benefits.
00:31:02.000Then their kids who, if they're born here, they get to go to school, they get to access all that, so they have sort of the indirect access to the welfare net that we have, the broader social safety net that we have in this country.
00:31:15.000And so it's a total joke, which I think ABC was saying the other day, that they're so upset that illegal aliens are having their kids are being worried about being pulled out of school.
00:31:27.000So you admit that they're accessing public benefits, even though you I will say that I've noticed the schools have less kids, man.
00:31:35.000Like when I'm going through certain streets to get to my house, this one, it used to get flooded with kids and now it's like just like nothing.
00:31:43.000Like, hardly any kids coming out of the school now.
00:31:46.000So I know, I do just watching this, like take place.
00:32:04.000cheap razor that was there and it was a joke and i showed up and man military guys came out immediately like within two minutes and put guns to me and i was like yo wow i was like this is good good you all passed i was just checking you did that recently yeah yeah this was about three months ago okay about three months ago and i got there and they're like yeah man you can't be here this and that and i'm like i'm out dude hey i'm a trump supporter i'm a trump operational control of the border and you know what there was a dude in a camouflage tent i mean they're all sitting out there and
00:32:33.000i didn't even see the guy and they got me and you're on the u.s i was going that way yeah you're on the u.s.i they got me real quick and they were asking me all kinds of questions like yo i was like man i was just doing content for instagram and i'm i'm out guys all good you all passed I think it was that.
00:33:34.000Anything else you guys want to add about the Chinese students or is there anyone who wants to make, I mean, Alad gave the best steel man, but when it comes to it, look, you know, people will say, you know, MAGA is always in lockstep with Trump, but I just don't think that's the case.
00:33:47.000I think you can point to issue after issue where that hasn't been shown.
00:33:51.000I think this is indicative of a larger anti-immigrant, both legal and illegal trend that we're seeing on the right and then both in the elements of moderates, independents and the left as well.
00:34:04.000I mean, we've talked about the reason though, right?
00:34:06.000Like, so the idea that they're bringing people into the country so that they can count them in the census.
00:34:13.000These people tend to, you know, concentrate in urban areas.
00:34:18.000That means that you're more than likely going to have the urban areas get more people in the census.
00:34:23.000That means more representatives in Congress, most likely Democrat representatives.
00:34:28.000This is the reason why I don't want immigrants is because it's taking voting power away from the American people.
00:34:34.000It has nothing to do with who they are.
00:34:36.000Now, when it comes to the Chinese, I think they're a threat because I know that China is an adversary of the United States.
00:34:42.000I don't have the false notion that they're just a rival or we're going to work together on something.
00:34:48.000China doesn't look at the United States that way, and the United States cannot look at China that way because China doesn't look at us that way.
00:34:55.000So the thing that I don't want, I want to see is no Chinese students coming in unless they're and actually, no, not at all, like none, because they're a, they're a national security threat, you know?
00:35:05.000I think we do need to make a distinction between the CCP and the regular Chinese person.
00:35:20.000Nationalists who hate the Chinese government.
00:35:22.000They don't, I don't think that's important because they'll go after their family in China.
00:35:27.000Well, no, and certainly, by the way, there's obviously a distinction, but when we're talking about a lot of these colleges that are Ivy League, you do have to have the money to be able to afford this.
00:35:35.000So typically you are getting elites and you have to be a member of the CCP, you know, or you have to have family that are members of the CCP.
00:35:41.000And the fact, like I said, it doesn't matter what the individual thinks.
00:35:45.000It doesn't matter because if they have family back home that they love in China, then that's where they apply the pressure.
00:35:53.000He will put his thumb on your grandma if you don't listen.
00:35:56.000Listen, he will put his thumb on your brother, your mom, whatever, if you don't, you know, I think he'll lock you in your, he'll lock you in your home.
00:36:03.000It's a 100% threat to national security.
00:36:06.000I don't think that they need to have these students here on visas, although you could argue the most important place to have them would be in the universities.
00:36:14.000But if they want, they could, if you want to have a sophisticated Chinese spy from the CCP, you could come into the country illegally.
00:36:20.000I'm sure it would be very easy for them to get fake documents or pretend they're another Chinese person.
00:36:26.000We heard stories about them coming in through, coming across the Darien Gap.
00:36:40.000When you're talking about stealing research, this is, I mean, it's it's all about placement and access.
00:36:45.000So when you're talking about spycraft, so if your P and A is already at MIT or one of these research laboratories, I mean, these universities are where the research is happening and in many cases, of course, being done with government funding or perhaps on proprietary, you know, what, what any kind of technology.
00:37:05.000Obviously, we've talked a lot about the biotech transfer between the US and China.
00:37:10.000So it's clearly part of a toxic relationship that we have with China, and that's why I'm against against it.
00:37:16.000Well, they get busted in Germany, in the UK and France for this all the time too.
00:37:20.000This is a problem in universities across the world.
00:37:23.000And the embassy or the consulate will put pressure on the students because what they'll do is, here's how it works.
00:37:30.000They'll track the students and then they'll figure out, okay, what students do we have in, what classes are they in, what major are they in, and then they'll line that up with whatever their Ministry of State Security priorities are.
00:37:40.000So your priority intelligence requirements or PIRs that we would have in the IC in the US, they've got theirs as well.
00:37:46.000And so suddenly someone who's in the science and technology department says, hey, you've got this guy and he's making his way towards here, have him go for those files.
00:37:54.000So it's not like it's not like someone is a spy from the start.
00:38:05.000Yeah, they're just they're property of the CCP, regardless, you know, whether they're going to.
00:38:08.000But I'm a little confused on something.
00:38:10.000Is this something he just fleetingly said or is this something that he actually held a conference with and said, well, I'm going to do this.
00:38:18.000He's been asked about it in the past and said that he doesn't want to get rid of the 300,000.
00:38:23.000He's always used strong rhetoric about against that, against expelling them.
00:38:28.000I also think this is worth mentioning that if you zoom out for a second geopolitically., what this really speaks to is a failure in diplomacy.
00:38:35.000This is one of the, like, not last, but it's going down the path of a failing diplomacy with China.
00:38:41.000If we're thinking that we need not have these students be here, obviously the Trump administration thinks differently.
00:38:48.000I think that when it comes down to it, it's, I just go back to, and to your point about the failure of diplomacy, the average person looks at it as a completely unbalanced relationship that we have with China.
00:39:00.000So it's this huge inverse where it seems that they get all of the gain.
00:39:04.000Like cheap TVs and trinkets and balls and things.
00:39:08.000And it's just something that ultimately.
00:39:11.000we can see that China is getting fat and happy off of this relationship.
00:39:16.000And by the way, prior to the tariffs, which have been largely successful, and the Chinese have eaten that, by the way, that the, you know, you could say, what are we really gaining in terms of wealth in this country?
00:39:30.000And so, you know, Josh Simon had thrown something out earlier and said, you know, hey, why not, if we're going to do this, let's, let's tariff the students.
00:39:37.000Let's tariff the students 200 percent.
00:39:54.000So the idea being why not have something that actually benefits the country directly?
00:39:58.000Well, it's keeping them afloat would be the argument.
00:40:00.000Like a certain I think I've read like fifteen percent of these colleges wouldn't be able to thrive without them.
00:40:04.000But I had one last thing I don't have I don't have I don't have I don't mind if a lot of I'm not going to get a lot of defense for a lot of the colleges in this country.
00:40:13.000Well, my alma mater, the University of Buffalo, would probably fail if they didn't have all these foreign students.
00:40:19.000One last bit that I wanted to add here though is that I think this is a really easy thing for nationalists on both sides to fearmonger on., and I'm guilty of that myself.
00:40:28.000If I were a Chinese nationalist, I'd say no, I don't want to send our best and brightest over to the United States to become useful idiots and Chinese spies for the United States.
00:40:37.000Oh, we're going to send them there for four years.
00:40:39.000They're going to get brainwashed into all this bullshit liberal ideology.
00:40:42.000They're going to start believing trans and gay bullshit and they're going to come bring that back here because that's what they're learning over there.
00:40:48.000So I feel like it's easy to fear monger in that way.
00:40:52.000Because in China, they're like, oh, this is, we went through a century of humiliation and now you're going to continue supporting those western dogs who oppressed us for all these centuries.
00:41:01.000And you're going to support them economically.
00:41:02.000That's where you're going to go spend all your money and you're paying top dollar to go to these schools.
00:41:06.000So I think both sides have an argument to fear monk around here.
00:41:10.000Having more exchange is something to hyper.
00:41:15.000Again, if in a vacuum, I think that I get what you're saying that, you know, an exchange is good.
00:41:21.000I'd love to get to that point in the relationship at some point.
00:41:24.000I just really don't think we're there.
00:41:25.000I think we're in a point where it's a total, it's like, it's like we, we, you know, it's like the United States is, is, is like your buddy who's in a toxic relationship with this girl and he's totally, just, just simping all over her, the codependent relationship, totally simping out.
00:41:40.000And we're like, dude, she treats you like crap.
00:42:04.000Now, I always say this, whenever he's in deal making mode, I do think that he'll throw out things like this that, and people can say like, oh, here's Posobik.
00:43:27.000Michael, there's a ton of Chinese dissidents in the United States.
00:43:31.000You have a ton of these different groups that typically go back.
00:43:34.000They typically go back and they work from China and they get and they're so focused on money.
00:43:38.000And so there's like Tibetan refuugees, there are Falun Gong refugees that come here, there are people from Hong Kong that also come from here.
00:43:46.000And I think these are I'm not going to analyze these.
00:43:48.000They do go to these colleges and I've seen them protest on these colleges before.
00:43:52.000It might be a small number, but it's not near the majority.
00:43:55.000Well, yeah, they're also not allowed to protest at all in China, so they're coming from a background and culture that, you know, struggles to express themselves or vote or participate politically.
00:44:06.000I just think Trump has something up his sleeve here and we should let the guy cook.
00:44:13.000So this is the argument that was made about opening up to China from the 1980s.
00:44:18.000And this, you know, the market, this is something I've always been critical of Margaret Thatcher and her government in the handover of Hong Kong, because it kept being this, this refrain over and over that the more we, the more exposure that we have to China, the West has to China, the more democratic they will become and they will have protest groups and you can go back forty years and this is they were saying the exact same thing.
00:44:55.000If anything, we have become less, far, far less.
00:44:58.000And I would argue that our exposure, and I would see this when I was over there, you know, briefly was at the Shanghai American Chamber of Commerce and then also worked for another firm doing business there and, you know, trying to help American businesses come into the Chinese market.
00:45:16.000was that American business leaders and American politicians would come over and they'd see the CCP system.
00:45:23.000And this gets what you're saying about the China model.
00:45:25.000And they would say, oh, this is great.
00:45:27.000So if I want a maglev, if I want a high-speed rail, like we had one in Shanghai, they have one that kind of goes from the airport almost to downtown, and they just build it.
00:45:35.000And you say, well, what about the people who live in the way?
00:45:41.000You just blast them out and then they can go wherever.
00:45:44.000And so to your point, right, in a system where there is no political, you know, real participation, if in a system where they don't have any rights to be able to defend that, it becomes intoxicating for Western leaders to see that system and say, how can we get some of that as well?
00:46:03.000Yeah, but this is going to give the illegal immigrants a lot of ammunition if he does this, man, for them to protest and fight back and feel righteous and whether they stay wanting to stay here.
00:46:12.000I mean, we have to go and they can come.
00:46:32.000I do want to keep it, want to be cognitive of the clock.
00:46:35.000And so I want to get into this, the psycho-Sue story.
00:46:38.000So we talked about this in the third hour yesterday in the members hour.
00:46:44.000But Nino, I was thinking that you probably had some takes on this, given that you come from a fight background.
00:46:50.000I mean, look, it's like they say you talked.
00:46:53.000Now, the pro wrestling is obviously very different from what you did um pro wrestling's fake okay it's scripted it is scripted but yeah okay it's scripted but i mean like when i was in the dressroom getting ready to fight nobody told me who was going to win right they wanted to kill each other this he was not expecting that beatdown it was premeditated there was a video of uh Jackson's son rampage Jackson's son talking about I'm gonna have you seen the video where he's talking I'm gonna go up there and hit this guy man I'm gonna tag this guy saying all these all
00:47:23.000these things it was premeditated he was not going along with any kind of script he wasn't gonna fake drop him and then fake slap him he if you see the punches land on this guy's cranium.
00:48:10.000He went totally red, he lost his mind.
00:48:12.000He was whatever, there was something happened before that where he smashed a camera and said he apologized, they became friends again, they were talking.
00:48:24.000This guy took it so personal and it hurt his ego so bad, that fragile ego he has, that he went after him and what he did was uncalled for, man.
00:48:34.000And then plus the guy wasn't expecting it.
00:48:35.000You can go up, I've seen that, I've seen this happen.
00:48:37.000You've probably seen it happen to where guys go up to other guys and it's called stealing their soul or snatching their soul, where you go up to a guy in a club and bam, whack him, knock him out, he's out snoring and you just disappear into the crowd that happened all the time he kind of did that to this guy the guy was not expecting this he got picked up slammed and then when he's there pretending to be like he's out then he starts getting punches delivered to his face that's uncalled for and it was premeditated and there's proof that it was premeditated by him talking about it on the phone to whoever he was talking to someone was recording him say all this so
00:49:08.000to me how is this in this is this could be like an attempted murder charge that kind of damage what do you say it's attempted murder is it how likely is it that he could have died oh so easy it's a hair man like i mean i'm surprised he didn't with those the blows he took to the head honestly i've seen guys die in sparring, get hit wrong and bap, they're out, ambulance comes or are gone.
00:49:32.000And those are with 16 ounce gloves, sometimes 18 ounce.
00:49:35.000I mean, there are heavyweights given, but I mean, I've seen that happen in when I knocked out Owen Beck, he was out for like almost thirty minutes when I knocked him out with a left hook and he was bleeding out of his eyes and his ears.
00:49:45.000And I thought I took a knee, the crowd got silent, I was scared to death and I think that also affected my career, to be quite honest.
00:50:56.000I gotta say, they could potentially be looking at a lawsuit, a huge lawsuit from Psycho Stu here if he wanted to pursue that route because, you know, I'm sure you gotta sign waivers.
00:51:09.000I'm gonna so like when you were boxing, did you ever have to sign waivers with the promoter before they put it on?
00:51:15.000So, hey, sign half the contracts I signed.
00:51:21.000But I mean, I mean, no, I mean, there were times that weigh in, honestly, that that i that i remember the tension was so bad all of a sudden we just started throwing punches like you just you can't predict it it just happens you know but but uh i never looked at a guy and i was like premeditating like i'm gonna just go up and just you know sometimes you're you're staring at each other and then they can't part you and the next thing you know you're like well we got to take this to the next level because i'm not backing down you're not backing down it's on and then we just start fighting that happens it's just the nature of the beast it's the nature of the sport it's just what it is but
00:51:51.000What I saw in that video is premeditated.
00:51:58.000So what you're saying is it's not like one of those weigh-in situations where the tension raises up because he was planning to do that before he got the way.
00:52:58.000So because he's a big kick streamer, and they were saying last night that, that's what Andrew Wilson was here last night, and what he was saying was that, I feel like Tim all of a sudden here, because I'm explaining drama, that, don't worry, Tim, I got you, buddy.
00:54:21.000But I would have had more respect for the kid if you had challenged him, grabbed the mic and said, let's go right now, me and you, and then Mano and Mano, then go, then okay, but maybe, maybe.
00:54:30.000But that's kind of the whole point of it, right?
00:55:23.000But it was, you know, like, I mean, you know, you're a father.
00:55:26.000You don't want to sit there and you're not going to get on the internet, Jack.
00:55:29.000If that's not going to get on the internet and beat up on you.
00:55:31.000Well, I mean, it depends on what you mean by condemn, right?
00:55:33.000If that, if that were my son, it would have walked him down to the police station and said, you need to, you need to face for what you did.
00:56:17.000No, it's that's something where, and by the way, I wouldn't be tweeting about it, you know, like if something like this had happened, I mean, God forbid.
00:56:24.000But you, I mean, I have to say, you know, it just, it feels to me like this is something that it's, it feels like bad parenting.
00:56:47.000And I think that could be a lesson for other people to check your ego, and, you know, having your ego all wound up could get you in some deep shit.
00:56:56.000You would think that he understood that he's in the wrestling world.
00:57:40.000He's the one because, you know, when you look at it, Psycho Stu in the, in the angle, right, in the narrative, he's the one that kind of cold cocks him with the beer outside so it's almost like he was the one taking the cheap shot so I don't know exactly that was part of the work right that's part of the script thing but what I'm saying is it if he was the one doing that then it would have been setting up Raja to kind of be the baby face right to setting him up as a good guy in that where he's the heel so he's the villain and then Raja is going to defeat the villain
00:58:10.000in the ring right like correct what we're trying to accomplish but he took it massive personally and went out there for a vendetta and just tried to kill the man right and it's and it's it's and I do believe he never should be punished by the law for this I really do I don't see how you walk from this by the way I think stuff like this happens ever every day, every week on a smaller scale in dumb bar fights and people fighting outside of convenience stores and people shooting each other because one person passes him by, steps on his shoes, calls him a name.
00:58:38.000People's sensitive egos and fragile egos lead to, unfortunately, a lot of senseless violence in our country Yeah,
01:00:17.000We don't have a ton of details in terms of names, in terms of everything that's going on, but this was something that was tearing up the interwebs yesterday and ev magazine the great uh ladies over at ev magazine have put this together 14 year old girl from scotland charged after carrying weapons Now,
01:00:39.000that's an interesting headline because if you look at the video, you perhaps might come away with another idea about who it is, who should be charged, who is the aggressor, and who is the one doing something.
01:00:51.000Do we have, Search, do we have the actual video?
01:03:14.000Well, Scotland's Scotland's a weird experiment because England's obviously had this Boris wave of migrants, but they have, what, fifty million people?
01:03:49.000And you were saying you saw some migrants, but not as much as in other places?
01:03:53.000Yeah, I mean compared to like Glasgow and Edinburgh, you don't see as much.
01:03:56.000Like Dundee is still a very Scottish place, but it's a more working class town.
01:04:01.000They already had, they had drug, drug issues, unfortunately.
01:04:05.000And like I said, the migrants coming to Scotland, that's even after the Boris wave, it doesn't take very many to destabilize places like Dundee.
01:04:14.000The first time I ever went to Scotland was, I think, in 20084, 2005, and then the last time I was there was in 2019 and it's noticeably different.
01:04:26.000If you go to Govan in Glasgow, like twenty years ago, it was 100% Scottish.
01:04:31.000It was like an Irish Catholic neighborhood.
01:04:32.000And you go there now and it literally feels like the Middle East and it's like, you know, you see these things at London.
01:04:37.000It's like even in London it still feels to some degree reminiscent of England.
01:04:40.000Like Govan, you have like people feeling animals.
01:04:44.000Yeah, I mean, look, it's like it's unbelievable in Glasgow.
01:04:48.000Yeah, I've been, I haven't been to Scotland.
01:04:50.000I've been to Dublin though on the Irish side and it's the same people that are there have absolutely been abused by their government because they don't they didn't ask for this.
01:05:01.000Yeah, they vote against it all the time and the government does nothing at all about the violence that the migrants are bringing in and you've got both the UK or both England and Scotland are subject to the same thing.
01:05:15.000I think it's up the same kind of thing is going on in Ireland.
01:08:46.000It will be worse here because they're not going to be able to get rid of it.
01:08:49.000Be careful, just like scrolling through Twitter on this, you know, you never know what's going to pop up.
01:08:54.000Seriously, the fact that the United States has so many guns, you're not getting rid of them.
01:08:59.000So things like this, it wouldn't just be, you know, some girl fighting with knives, and it also means that the aggressive people that are, that are looking to violate other people's rights, they're going to have guns as well.
01:09:12.000So you're going to like the idea of a civil war or something that turns into, you know, serious problems, like it would be much worse in the United States than in the UK.
01:09:24.000Well, and also the sources of migration, uh, that's what separates Europe from the US is most of our migration over the last few decades has been from Latin America, which culturally obviously still different, but more similar to the US versus Europe.
01:09:37.000It's coming from the Middle East and North Africa, a vastly different civilization.
01:09:40.000Well, now the US is starting to get migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and also South Asia who are dramatically different from us.
01:09:48.000And so the UK is a bit of a trailer for that.
01:09:50.000They're setting up whole communities in Texas like Plano.
01:09:54.000I mean, it's crazy, like massive communities being funded by deer, all of them connected to deerborn different cities in America, all interconnected.
01:10:03.000I mean, it was about to kick off here, I think.
01:10:07.000And then I think Trump man came in and what he's doing right now with the troops and everything he's doing is exactly what I voted for.
01:11:10.000They're always like all the guys that are doing that, right.
01:11:12.000Always wearing a ass to conceal their identity and stuff.
01:11:15.000With all the problems we have in the US, it's like, that is not something you have to do.
01:11:17.000Well, here's the thing., if you do defend the girl, here's what happens.
01:11:20.000You become the next Daniel Penny, or I think there was just a story of some guy in Germany who defended some chick that was on a bus or something.
01:11:27.000It turned up into a slice, a slice of cake.
01:11:32.000You become the next Daniel Penny, but you don't have the same outcome as Daniel Penny because the jury put you in jail for the rest of your life.
01:11:39.000Worst case is you just get stabbed or killed and nobody praises you more or less, or you're demonized if anything goes wrong.
01:11:48.000There's a there's a lot that goes on and specifically in Scotland, I know it well that happens incidents like this happening in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Dundee and Aloha.
01:11:56.000And it's kind of off the books a little bit, like this stuff kind of gets resolved away from the peering eyes of cameras and that sort of thing.
01:12:04.000This just happened to be an incident where it's been captured.
01:12:07.000It's time there's some pushback off camera.
01:12:10.000It's time for the CIA to start running guns to England, to the underground in England.
01:13:13.000And like, if there were enough immigrants that went to Ireland, like, they'd take over and they'd take over and they take back Northern Ireland unlike you native Irish people who would never have the boss to do that.
01:13:29.000No, there's there's there's there's a lot going on.
01:13:31.000We covered, we covered a protest that was going on in Kerry in Ireland not too long ago and they had tens of thousands of people were out and it was on remigration.
01:13:44.000Conor McGregor, of course, has been out, you know, very much outspoken on this, you know, kind of flirting with the idea of even running for president, talking about this kind of thing that we need to take back Ireland for the Irish.
01:13:56.000When you look at places like Ireland, like Scotland, that have fought for their independence for so long and have fought tooth and nail, right?
01:14:04.000So Ireland, you know, an example, has fought the British for, you know, hundreds of years in, in, you know, if you look at the totality of it, in order to get back their Ireland, to get their island back.
01:14:16.000And then they'll sit there and say, Oh, but we also have, you know, have to let in, you know, so many people.
01:14:30.000Isn't that a part of Catholicism and like there are a lot of different Catholic charities and as I understand in our country who do want to advance a lot more What's up?
01:15:10.000If it was also going on, Pope Leo's for immigration, right?
01:15:14.000I mean, that's what he's Yeah, Pope Leo has said that he's for immigration, he's for, you know, for open borders and he's he's spoken out and it's like for all of the good that I think that he said about other things that, you know, one of the things that and, you know, CNN was, you know, because we covered the conclave over there in Rome and they were they were coming to me for saying, look, you know, I don't think this is the conservative candidate that conservatives wanted and that's and I get all my, all my TradCath bros be like, what do you mean?
01:15:40.000You know, he's, you know, he's got the vestments and he's like open to the Latin mass and this and he's good on same-sex marriage and he's good on abortion.
01:16:27.000And so he's kind of like an opposing vector to Trump, which is kind of like they've chosen this guy from Chicago, they bring him in, he wants open borders.
01:16:35.000I'm surprised he hasn't been as voiced as I mean, I haven't really heard much from him.
01:16:38.000Like I thought he was going to be much more of a thorn in Trump's side than he is.
01:16:42.000Well, there was a read on that, but one of the other big issues too is that the Vatican's kind of broke right now, and church collections have been down, revenues.
01:17:10.000And, you know, they can point to numbers that have been church growth in Africa and South America, but that hasn't led to the type of money that you'd need to come in.
01:17:20.000And in places like where I'm from, the Philadelphia area, I mean, we just, you see churches closing every day.
01:17:24.000Yeah, less and less people are going and more people are on Zoom and more people are doing it.
01:17:28.000Yeah, and so, and so one of the reasons, one of the other reasons that they wanted to choose an American Pope is because, you know, given the combativeness that Pope Francis had and a lot of the confusion, I think that a lot of his policies were going towards some of those really big dollars America's America's the world's largest economy.
01:18:10.000Really, see, I wish you'd be better than that, better man than I. I mean, I try to read the Bible as much as I can, but yeah, I mean, I've kind of fallen away from the Catholic Church at least.
01:18:57.000So I mean, I think it's worth mentioning too that I know a Jewish person talking a lot about Catholicismholicism is a little bit different than the global brand of Catholicism.
01:19:07.000The American Catholicism is a lot more right wing than global Catholicism.
01:19:11.000It's worth mentioning that there's different strains even in America though.
01:19:15.000No, but worldwide, generally, as I understand, our version, our American version of Catholicism is a little bit more right-wing.
01:19:24.000I think it's also worth mentioning, forty percent of Catholics are from Latin America.
01:19:29.000So I feel like it would make sense for the Pope to be very open to immigration.
01:19:33.000And towards people in Latin America and East America.
01:19:36.000And he spent a ton of his career as a priest down in Peru.
01:19:41.000It makes sense because that's where global Catholicism, I'm reading right now, there's 500 some odd million Catholics in Latin America.
01:19:48.000That's huge growth in South America, Latin America and in Africa, but at the same time, and Asia as well.
01:19:55.000But at the same time, they just don't have the economic pull that Americans do.
01:20:00.000I'm saying it stands to reason why there would be some, you know, religious affinity for Latin Americans who are Catholic and that Catholic organizations in our country would want to try to reach out to these people and help them because they believe in Jesus and they believe the same things they do and on a religious affiliation.
01:20:19.000So what's great though is that, you know, and you do have these different strains of political thought arising from Catholicism and that, you know, for, for, like the Trad Caths, you know, we would kind of point more towards Cardinal Sarah, who is African, but he and a Cardinal of the Church, but he would say, you know, people should go back to their home countries because this dilution is causing confusion, it's causing destabilization, it's causing all the issues.
01:20:43.000But if you were, if you were a globalist, wouldn't he be the perfect pick, Pope Leo?
01:20:49.000Wouldn't he be the perfect plant to go against Trump?
01:20:52.000I mean, give the immigrants the righteous indignation to fight against against Trump, to feel righteous about what they're doing.
01:21:00.000Choose a guy that's from Chicago, choose a Pope that's open borders.
01:21:17.000I mean, well, it's kind of what you're saying.
01:21:20.000Like, you get this thing online where you'll see, especially like, really Trad Cat types like chess beat, and they'll post a map showing, like, how widespread Catholicism has become in the United States.
01:21:29.000But then it overlaps with, like, migration from Latin America over the last thirty years.
01:21:34.000So it's like, because if you look at it broadly, if you look at the demographics of the United States, the religious demographics., there's been a huge outflow of Catholics into non denominational churches.
01:21:44.000In my opinion, it doesn't matter if there's an influx or an uptick in how many Catholics there are, if too many of them are liberation theology Catholics.
01:21:54.000Sure, which is what you get from South America.
01:22:14.000I mean, it's because Marxism, when Marxism goes to to different areas, what it does is it adapts to whatever the climate of that area is, right?
01:22:22.000The political climate, the cultural climate.
01:22:24.000And so because Latin America was and South America were already Catholic, they said, okay, well, we're going to combine through, like, almost like a, uh, this does syncretalism, this idea of, okay, we're going to put it's, it's what's Catholic and we're supporting the rights of the people to migrate, but it's also Marxist, right?
01:22:45.000Which is, which is weird because It seems contradictory.
01:22:48.000It seems contradictory because typically when the Marxists do take it, it is contradictory.
01:22:52.000The very first thing they do in places like, oh,, I don't know, Catholic France or Catholic Spain, or start killing the priests and raping the nuns on the altar and smashing churches.
01:23:38.000I was at the National Prayer Service that right after Trump got inaugurated with JD Vance, and we had the female bishop in the National Cathedral.
01:23:48.000And I was like, well, you know, okay, first time seeing a lady priest.
01:24:50.000Well, while we're talking about that, we had a huge debate last night about freedom of speech and whether burning a flag constitutes freedom of speech.
01:25:59.000Is there a white woman yelling at a black kid or a black woman?
01:26:02.000a white woman and we're told that there was an altercation between her and What we see in the video is another guy who's sort of following her, chasing her, harassing her, saying, I'm filming you.
01:27:28.000Freedom of speech for, by the way, and I'm just going to say it for saying a word that black people say all the time to each other all the time.
01:27:36.000They don't land the R. Was he landing the R?
01:27:39.000I mean, they just say, oh, so, and this, but this is the debate I want to get into, right?
01:27:43.000So the debate is that for all of the people who say that it's freedom of speech to burn a flag, then what about Shiloh Hendrix's freedom of speech to, to call a child of the same.
01:28:35.000But she said that the kid was going through her bag was like., so when you go, and I'll just say this, having, you know, taken the kids to, you know, the playground, to the park, you, you know, you have like your baby bag, your kid bag that's there, you bring, you know, some drinks, some food, some whatever, it's, it's there.
01:29:07.000And I always say that with viral videos, that whenever you see some video that goes crazy viral that's going out, George Floyd is, you know, of course, the quintessential example of this.
01:29:17.000Show me what happened five minutes before, before I have to come in, you know, and and, you know, pass judgment because if we don't have that rule, if you don't have the five minutes rule, then all of a sudden we're going to become this country that's just ruled by whatever video is going.
01:29:37.000So I think the conversation that we're having, the ideas that we're debating with, is it's a very complex free speech issue that we're dealing with.
01:29:46.000I think a quote that's often misattributed to Voltaire, it succinctly describes what we're working with.
01:29:51.000Like he allegedly said, I know I'm misattributing this quote, but I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend it to death your right to say it.
01:29:58.000I think the idea here is that, let's say, a government that you don't like eventually comes to power and has other things that they want to allege could potentially produce riots, and therefore you shouldn't be able to burn trans flags.
01:30:16.000You can burn a trans flag, as far as I'm concerned, as far as you're concerned, but I'm saying No, the actual law is actually concerned.
01:30:23.000I think you're misattributing a story that didn't exactly align with someone actually burning a trans flag.
01:30:28.000Also, it's worth mentioning that the law that's actually passed is in regard to, like, you definitely have to do that.
01:30:32.000Somebody burning a flag and then inciting a riot as a result of it, trying to incite a riot, I think think is what the actual charges here.
01:30:40.000But it's like how far we covered that last night.
01:30:44.000What was the story of somebody burning the trans flag?
01:30:47.000I'm talking about the American flag EO.
01:30:49.000We we I made the distinction that what was passed yesterday, it was basically taking that idea that you're not going to you're not going to be charged directly for the burning of the flag, but it's the incitement.
01:31:14.000But I am conflicted on using the law and trying to arrest people and using law enforcement as a result of that.
01:31:21.000And where would we eventually draw the line and will eventually these laws be used against me?
01:31:25.000One of the things that people consistently were saying to me on Twitter is, first of all, they were like, well, you know, all this stuff about the trans flag or people that were doing burnout on the rainbow crosswalks and blah, blah, blah, that is all the idea that anyone should be prosecuted for that is also ridiculous, right?
01:31:43.000Like that shouldn't be any kind of defense because no one that burns a trans flag or does a burnout on a rainbow cross, none of them should actually be prosecuted.
01:32:32.000Get the F. Get the F. Get the F. But if she said, get the F away from my bag, which she may have said, which you'd probably be getting charged.
01:33:17.000Because if she just said something like, Hey, get out of my bag and then said the N word, and like, Okay, but if she kept calling the kid names and like barating the kid, that's like abuse, right?
01:33:28.000But what about the fact that the person who was harassing her caused her to be doxed, caused her, caused them to go after her family, clearly is, and by the way, is also doxing her child, putting it up to get social media clout, to get clicks, et cetera, et cetera.
01:33:45.000What if everybody in this story is deplorable and just sucks.
01:33:48.000What about, you know, if everybody, I don't need to feel bad about anybody here.
01:33:52.000I mean, the little kid sucks for reaching to the bag.
01:33:54.000The way the kid's parent or guardian reacted sucks.
01:33:57.000And we have no idea where the first parent is, by the way, the parent of this, the five-year-old that's going in the bag, because the person who's filming is not their parent.
01:34:13.000If I said that I would go down on my kid and bring him to, you know, come down on my kid and go to the, you know, take him to the police station if he did something that, like Roger Jackson did, then in the same token as this, if my kid is going through somebody else's.s bag at the playground.
01:36:18.000I mean, me growing up, my mom used to beat the crap out of my friends, and my friends' mothers used to beat the crap out of me, everyone.
01:36:23.000I mean, it was just the way it was., I don't think I definitely not be charged for that, one hundred percent, no.
01:36:29.000Yeah, I mean, I just I don't think it's justified.
01:36:32.000And that's why, by the way, when it comes to flag burning stuff, I'm going to say, look, we already have de facto speech codes in this country.
01:36:58.000People like to LARP and posture as if they are, but when push comes to shove on an issue that they care about, it kind of goes out the window.
01:37:04.000My principle is reward patriots, punish non-patriots.
01:38:18.000So you could burn a flag in your own home if it's privately, but if you're inciting?
01:38:22.000Okay, so the current EO does not cover that.
01:38:26.000So if you went on Amazon, I said this last night, if you went on Amazon and you purchased a flag and you brought it home, and I think somebody, there was some two-way guy thought he'd be edgy, and he had one of those handheld flags.
01:38:46.000that the EO says when you're at a riot or in a public setting and you are going to incite imminent illegal action or violence that is the time when the DOJ is directed to go after you.
01:38:59.000See, I think this is all man i don't know how much time we have left but i just want to say like i think this is going in a direction where i think trump is preparing for something big man and i think i think it's like i'm serious there's national guards on the streets i think it's getting well it's not it's not protected speech it's it's never i mean what happened in june it's all over them those kids are burning in the moors there is no and just to get into it again i mean i saw this last night i don't want to repeat myself but this is this is a marxist uh argument it is absolutely a marxist twisting of the first amendment
01:39:30.000to claim that expression is speech uh people the pro-life movement fought against roe v wade for years and years and years and finally got it overturnurned because they were able to prove that it wasn't in the Constitution.
01:39:42.000Protection of flag burning is nowhere near in the Constitution.
01:39:45.000Believe it or not, it was decided a decade after Roe v.
01:39:59.000It's a completely Marxist argument that came up at the, kind of, tail end of the counterculture, you know, sort of sixties radical revolution.
01:40:08.000They finally get this decision out of the Supreme Court in 1989.
01:40:23.000It's like the flag burning would have been completely, that would have got you ostracized and probably mobbed.
01:40:28.000They even went further with just basic criticism.
01:40:30.000I'm not saying that's what, that's neither here nor there, but to act like the founders would have been this, like, oh, yeah, that's totally fine, burn it.
01:41:35.000But what he's arguing, and what I'm trying to argue is that this is our actual history, right?
01:41:41.000So for people who want to claim that, oh, the founder, like, it's a foundational belief of America that you have to, you know, you have to allow for flag burning and pornography and, you know, and all this stuff.
01:42:37.000When he says he's sending the National Guard to DC to fight crime, he's making Democrats defend crime.
01:42:43.000So now when he's saying he's going to make burning the flags illegal, he's going to make Democrats defend burning flags and he's putting them in this rhetorical argument where they're being forced to defend the worst things because it's what he's doing.
01:42:55.000So as far as being like a pragmatic political operator, I think Trump's very effective in what he's trying to set up democrats up to do.
01:43:45.000When she was a senator, this was something that was so, you know, it was so like, quote, unquote, popular, you know, in, you know, rally around the flag, 2011 environment that even Hillary was like, yeah, we should get on board with this.
01:44:08.000So obviously, I feel with him putting the troops on the streets in D.C., getting ready now, what, 19 states, I think he's getting ready for something much bigger.
01:44:20.000Everything, all the moves he's making is alluding to this to me.
01:44:24.000From what I can see from a 60,000 foot view is, I think something bigger is coming around the corner and he's preparing for it with protests and civil unrest.
01:44:32.000And I think that could be maybe what people start getting arrested, dog.
01:44:36.000I'm just saying, because if they'll do it for George Floyd, what you're saying is, if I hear this right, because this EO, and a lot pointed out that it's very.
01:44:47.000specifically talking about these instances at, you know, in public and Yes, he's getting ahead of the ball.
01:46:38.000I just told you, I'm aware that free expression is not in the constitution, but freedom of association isn't in it either.
01:46:46.000But people on the right always say, oh, we should have freedom of assembly, is there?
01:46:49.000Freedom of association, which is different than freedom.
01:46:52.000If you're going to say that freedom of assembly is the same thing as freedom of association, then freedom of expression is the same thing as freedom of speech.
01:47:00.000I'm saying that if you're going to make the argument that they're the same, then...
01:47:07.000I'm not making the argument that abortion is privacy.
01:47:10.000No, I'm just saying these are things that Marxists did to our constitution to twist the meaning of words to get people to suddenly say, oh, I'm defendinging freedom by defending all these things that degrade, demoralize and destroy my country.
01:47:23.000So like I said, the freedom of speech, I think that if you burn the flag, that's expressing yourself.
01:47:40.000I don't have to agree with you, but I'm aware that I'm sorry, I'm not trying to cut you off, but you're twisting the word to the constitution, not twisting it to achieve a goal that the communists want.
01:47:52.000I don't think that it's, I don't, I think that, I think that it's, I think that, I think that personally, I think there are sometimes speech.
01:48:53.000I think this other stuff is immaterial to him.
01:48:55.000I think he's just very savvy political.
01:48:57.000I think he's a patriot and he loves America and he hates to see that happen.
01:49:01.000I don't think we're seldom going to see this invoked.
01:49:05.000Some in the chat is asking, can we burn Phil's arm as free speech?
01:49:09.000But I see with what Trump is doing with the troops and everything he's doing, he is setting his pieces up for strategy., the whole flag burning thing, it's all strategy.
01:49:19.000I think what's coming, he's preparing for something he knows they're going to be set off.
01:49:23.000It's so funny, by the way, there's a bunch, there's it's funny because there's a bunch of people in the chat who are like, we're like, Posobik is making things is rogue.
01:49:30.000And I'm like, guys, it's not in the Constitution.
01:50:25.000Okay, the constitution doesn't apply to most of the things in our practical real life right now where there are more laws added after the fact that.
01:50:32.000that doesn't mean you shouldn't defend it.
01:50:34.000You're not wrong, but as for pragmatic purposes, practical purposes go.
01:50:39.000So are you saying that the act of burning the flag is not freedom of speech?
01:51:17.000I'm just trying to understand this better, but this is just if it's done in public settings in a protest, then that's against the law.
01:51:22.000But if someone has a flag in their own home and they want to burn their flag that they bought, they can do that.
01:51:28.000That's where I'm that's not I don't understand the Not under the current Under the current EO you could.
01:51:33.000So you could burn American flag in your home in your home, but if you're out at a protest you start burning the flag, that's against the law.
01:51:38.000That's the current executive order, yes.
01:52:20.000Did they give a take that they were upset about?
01:52:22.000So college doesn't teach American values.
01:52:24.000It indoctrinates students in Marxism, China only allows party members in good standing to go zero benefit all cost and harm.
01:52:31.000That's just not true on both, on both accounts.
01:52:34.000And Post, so maybe you could talk more to the China part, but i just don't think that's the case but let's go i mean i'd say it's probably case by case basis but if you're if you are a party member you're going to have a more chance or from a family that has a party member there's a better chance you're going to make it um Let's see.
01:52:51.000The only reason, the only rational reason for the students is to use them as hostages for the CCP.
01:53:23.000It's, they've, they've been relaxing it in recent years.
01:53:27.000So, you know, if you're younger, it's, it's possible, like, like Gen Z. So millennials don't have siblings in China, but Gen Z kind of can.
01:53:36.000Um, but in some cases, again, if you're a CCP elite, you can, or if you have a special dispensation, you can, you can get, uh, get around the kids.
01:54:26.000Anybody who questions their loyalty, even the people who are loyal to CCP, Xi Jinping and the CCP, he just keeps doing these so-called corruption purges.
01:54:36.000And of business leaders too, anybody gets too powerful.
01:54:40.000So it was the number one show in China at one point where the struggle sessions, because you don't have to hold them in these mass public settings and soccer stadiums anymore, like the Cultural Revolution, they were putting them on TV and they made like a reality show about it.
01:54:54.000So, and you would actually have to get the official who's being purge, the purgee, I suppose, is now on camera speaking to the camera reciting their crimes against the nation and you get to see all of the things they did and then that person gets purged and this was like number one highest rated show in China.
01:55:15.000You know, to the point of if she were to be, you know, die or taken out of power or whatever, that doesn't mean that the government's going to change.
01:55:19.000It just means that she's not the guy in charge.
01:57:23.000But there's a difference between being someone who, you know, is just a legal immigrant versus someone who's been here for hundreds of years.
01:57:29.000Yeah, like, no, I'm more American than he is.
01:57:31.000You just said, you just said yourself that I can't be here for hundreds of years.
01:58:12.000But I'm just saying like, but everyone kind of brings something to the table from Italy, from Mexxico, we're all here together, you know, making America so rich and beautiful.
01:58:20.000The point that's kind of being talked about or that they're kind of dancing around is there are people that think that America is a white Protestant country.
01:58:29.000And if you're not a white Protestant, you're kind of not a real American.
01:58:32.000And whether or not people, whether or not people, you know, and the problem with this.
01:58:38.000I mean, I think America came a lot of American America before the Europeans came.
01:58:43.000But I'm not making an argument for or against that, but the point that the person's getting at, and that's kind of what the discussion online is now.
01:58:53.000The people that say talk about Heritage America.
01:58:55.000Americans or real Americans, what they're talking about is people that are white Anglo Saxon Protestants, right?
01:59:13.000I would just say that you're from a country or a culture that is separate from the original Americans.
01:59:20.000But I don't think the thing that happens is based on that.
01:59:22.000And your Americanness, I think, depends on your belief in American values, which aren't inherently based to any original founding stock of the country.
01:59:50.000The American values, but the American values inherently are not.
01:59:53.000I don't think America is just an idea though.
01:59:55.000America is the American people are a people.
01:59:58.000The American nation is a nation of people.
01:59:59.000You have to understand that it takes different kinds of people to make America.
02:00:03.000America has changed over time, but the idea that the American people are just this amorphous blob and that anyone can just automatically become American because you get a piece of paper.
02:00:21.000If I'm a, if I'm a member of the founding stock, Mayflower, what have you, but I'm a hardline communist leftist, am I, and I've heard all these arguments all week.
02:00:34.000Like, am I any less American if I'm a diehard communist, hate America, hate American values, want the country and the government to be overthrown?
02:00:41.000Am I more American than some, and as this super chatter who's a stupid American, but you'd still be an American.
02:00:46.000I'm the person who's here as a second generation.
02:00:50.000I think this guy said his parents were It's a matter of history.
02:01:23.000I was trying to get to the point that I feel like you're proposedly not trying to tangle with.
02:01:27.000So again, this guy was saying he doesn't really feel American or feels less of American because he was a second generation immigrant.
02:01:33.000I'm asking you now, you already said you're asked this all the time, so you should have a well thought out answer.
02:01:37.000Somebody again, founding stock, came here on the Mayflower, but is currently in his day and age, a diehard communist wants to throw the government, is a revolutionary compared to the super chatter who said, you know, he's a second generation American.
02:01:51.000Are these people of equal Americanness to you?
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02:04:33.000tuned for the super chat where I will be explaining what is an American.
02:10:39.000I just put up post-millennial because I figured you might know something you want to see one talk about.
02:10:42.000Back only does missionary, no comment.
02:10:45.000Um, do we have to put these on or what are we doing?
02:10:49.000But for the graphic, I don't, I don't believe that, you know, I don't, I don't, you know, you mentioned strong man arguments, Phil, and I didn't say that you have to be a white Protestant to be an American.
02:11:01.000And I'm not making that argument either.
02:11:03.000And, but I was kind of wondering what discussion I came in on.
02:11:07.000I don't think think that's the argument that most people are making.
02:11:11.000I do agree that, like, Groypers and some people do make that argument, but I would, the argument that I'm making is just a historical, like, I'm making a historical description.
02:11:21.000I'm describing that the founders of the country and the majority of the country at the time of the founding were white Anglo Saxon Protestants.
02:11:30.000Yeah, I'm not And so, yeah, someone descended from that family, from one of those families is going to be obviously and just physically connected more towards those founders than someone who came later.
02:11:44.000Well, what makes them more connected right the in not not not the family not the family but the individual DNA what may but but like Alad was saying if you're dealing with someone that is an avowed communist that has lineage going back all the way to the mayflower right the well the avowed communist in my opinion but I'm not making I'm not making any so what the issue here is is we're looking at two different
02:12:14.000definitions of America right so there's and and there's it's it's American as a definitional nation versus America as a propositional nation.
02:12:25.000And so the propositional nation argument is this sort of like values, belief-based argument that, well, if you just agree to this set of terms, now suddenly you're just immediately an American.
02:12:36.000And I'm not saying that there isn't an American spirit, which I would definitely not argue at all.
02:12:40.000But what I'm saying is that the American people are a...
02:12:46.000a people with a definition and a people who have a history, a history that goes back 400 years, maybe 500 years.
02:14:18.000But what I'm saying is, there is a difference in the specific group of people I'm talking about, the wider groups that are out there, and people who are coming like...
02:16:17.000Right, but the point, listen, the reason that I object to this is not because I have some kind of disagreement about who the first settlers were, because it's, I mean, like you said, it's just historical fact, right?
02:16:43.000Anyway, like I said, well, I'm the waspiest guy every time.
02:16:46.000But the point that I'm making, I'm occasionally passing, but if like, people look, they're like, nah.
02:16:52.000The point that I'm making, the point that I'm making is one.
02:16:54.000It is, once, listen, once you start making these arguments, it inevitably starts breaking down into, you're not good enough, you're not enough, you're not enough.
02:17:47.000I have said that she would denaturalize because she committed fraud, because she committed fraud in the naturalization process, not her own, but of her brother.
02:19:06.000Where you're wrong though is that it's it is a it is again a category error, right?
02:19:10.000It's a category error because you're talking about, and we mentioned this earlier, that you know, you're talking about cultures and civilizations of people that are so far removed from the direct American culture.
02:19:23.000And people saying like, okay, can they can they assimilate?
02:19:27.000Are Catholics from Latin America so far removed that they can't assimilate?
02:19:31.000Well, that's something we were just talking about.
02:20:34.000That like we can have this utopia and everyone can have these great values and it's this universal egalitarianism where everyone can be, you know, living in a Jeffersonian republic and it's going to be wonderful.
02:20:57.000And so, but by the same token, if you took the American people as surprised today and put them in, you know, the territory of Afghanistan, they would start building.
02:21:05.000And to my point, but hold on, let me just say this one second.
02:21:07.000To your point, the Iraq War proved it, right?
02:21:11.000So the argument that was made about Iraq was we will be greeted as liberators, we'll go in there and they're going to become a Liberation democracy overnight.
02:21:19.000That was never going to happen and Iraq literally proved that.
02:21:45.000But what I'm hearing, and I'm on the border, right, and it's – No, but listen, they feel, but hold on, but they feel, right, and I agree with that.
02:22:09.000But their argument is, we were here first.
02:22:11.000You're not kicking us out, motherfucker.
02:22:13.000We were here for, and they are fucking adamant about it, bro.
02:22:16.000They are not, they're going to go down with the fight.
02:23:34.000Is that you have people who take that identity, which is so strong to them because they're basing it on history, just like what I said, that and they're willing to fight for it versus So do you see the problem here?
02:23:47.000Yeah, I think the problem is that both are coming.
02:25:21.000Just like what he said, you know, the Mayflower, the Protestants, the, the, the whites coming here, that's you feel like that's what makes you more American, correct?
02:25:27.000I think, no, I don't think so because he's poor.
02:25:30.000Okay, but also, but what about the Mexicans and Indians that were here before them that are American and that were conquered in that part of America?
02:26:06.000And so what I'm saying is that the specific, when the idea that we go back to the Constitution and we argue these things out, and it's why I'm so particular about the words of the Constitution, it's why I get so upset when Marxists add words to the Constitution that were never there, that it's but at the same time, it's the understanding that that was written for a specific group of people in a specific time and place.
02:26:31.000I was the only asshole with the headphones on.
02:27:11.000Do you have a take on this or do you have another question?
02:27:14.000I mean, if you really want me to, if I could take a small bite, which is that my family was ran from this country years ago, went back to Mexico, came back and bought the land that was taken from my family.
02:27:24.000So that's the way it's supposed to be done, but that's a whole other conversation.
02:27:43.000And those are the times from the 70s that they all that was the mantra of Mecha.
02:27:48.000And then after the UFW came in and kind of tore that all to pieces, then you have a divided Chicano, Tejano and, you know, wet back culture.
02:28:02.000Okay, my question is actually after the recent tragedies in Florida and recent and Phil's recent disparity, disparaging remarks against truck driving industry, when is the government going to be held responsible for giving these basically incompetent people licenses?
02:28:19.000Because Phil's talking about destroying the company as someone who owns a company.
02:28:23.000If I hire someone and I'm told that he has the credentials and then, you know.
02:28:26.000And then the government who was supposed to protect me from these robber barons isn't doing their job.
02:29:11.000The government should go after the guy that owns the business that contracted the truck driver because he didn't make sure it wasn't hired the migrant.
02:31:07.000I don't care where they're from, they just have to go if they're not allowed.
02:31:10.000Well, so, no, well, let me ask you this.
02:31:12.000So let's get into the liability question then.
02:31:15.000Do you think, or have you ever heard of anyone who's been in a situation like this where they did start, where the government did start looking at the, about the employer because of something one of their truckers did?
02:31:28.000I don't, like I said, I'm not truck, I'm not into the truck industry anymore, but in my industry, yeah, you have a lot of companies that are actually dumping these guys who they're going back to their payroll and going, oh, this guy, he's worked here before.
02:31:41.000Sorry guy, you got to kick rocks because you've had two social security numbers before.
02:31:45.000So if anything, it's helping these, it's helping guys like us be competitive with the big guys because now they have to actually hire people that are of this country.
02:31:56.000Because like a little guy like me, I have to make sure that every time like if a guy gets deported and I find out he gets deported because his, you know, paperwork wasn't right and then he comes back with a different, you know, paperwork.
02:32:08.000Well, it's like, bro, I can't hire you.