Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Is Now President, Biden Pardons His WHOLE Family, Fauci & Others w-Rep Ro Khanna | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Nope, that's Josie.

00:00:14.000 *laughter* Say hi, Josie.

00:00:16.000 Ladies and gentlemen, today was a monumentous day.

00:00:20.000 Donald Trump was sworn in as the 47th president, solidifying himself as only the second president to serve a non-consecutive term.

00:00:28.000 Of course, that was Grover Cleveland.

00:00:29.000 And then, wow, did a lot happen.

00:00:32.000 As we were preparing for this show, 1,500 J6 defendants roughly have been pardoned. 1.00

00:00:37.000 There have been a series of executive orders already pertaining to the southern border.

00:00:40.000 We've seen riot police lining up at the southern border, shutting down ports of entry.

00:00:44.000 Joe Biden, before leaving the office of the presidency, issued blanket pardons for the J6 committee, Mark Milley, and Dr. Fauci, which we think is kind of strange.

00:00:54.000 And then...

00:00:55.000 With five minutes to go, as Donald Trump was about to be sworn in, issued blanket pardons for his entire family, going back 11 years for nonviolent offenses.

00:01:05.000 So we have a lot of news to break down.

00:01:08.000 Today is absolutely insane.

00:01:10.000 Elon Musk is under fire for a strange gesture, the media calls it.

00:01:14.000 He says he was throwing his heart out to the crowd.

00:01:17.000 But it looked an awful lot like what they call the Roman salute.

00:01:19.000 So now we've got a million and one stories, but I do think going over everything that's happening right now with the presidency of Donald Trump...

00:01:27.000 And as we speak, live now, Trump is still signing executive orders.

00:01:31.000 We've got some video of this.

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00:01:57.000 Of course, the other news the other day, of course, was that Joe Biden declared the 28th Amendment, the Equal Rights Amendment, which I find offensive.

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00:02:11.000 And that is the right to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. 1.00

00:02:16.000 And I just want to give a shout out to that picture of that little chicken right there, idiotic. 1.00

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00:02:58.000 Absolutely.

00:02:58.000 Do you want to just briefly introduce yourself?

00:03:00.000 Sure.

00:03:01.000 I'm Ro Khanna.

00:03:02.000 I represent Silicon Valley in the United States Congress.

00:03:07.000 And I went to inauguration, didn't boycott it, because I believe that you have to respect the American people, and we can get into what everyone thought.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, this is going to be interesting, of course.

00:03:18.000 We've got a whole bunch of really awesome people, of course.

00:03:21.000 James Klug is here.

00:03:22.000 What's going on, everyone?

00:03:23.000 James Klug, host of the James Klug YouTube channel, and apparently the only person wearing a tuxedo in this room, but that is all right.

00:03:29.000 You guys, thanks for having me.

00:03:30.000 Appreciate it.

00:03:31.000 I'm wearing a baseball tee.

00:03:32.000 What do you expect of me?

00:03:33.000 Josie's here.

00:03:34.000 Hi, I'm Josie of the Red-Headed Libertarian.

00:03:36.000 I do outside media work at TimCast.com, and I have a show called Spaces X Josie, where I talk to really cool people, interview really cool people, celebrities and congressmen, and people who are important to the culture war.

00:03:49.000 And then I have a channel called 1776 X Josie, where I talk about revolutionary history.

00:03:54.000 We've got Tyler O'Neill.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, managing editor at The Daily Signal.

00:03:58.000 I like to say I was born in the People's Republic of Boulder, but revolted into orthodoxy in early youth.

00:04:04.000 Grew up in Golden, went to Hillsdale College, wrote a book, but we can talk more about that later.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, we did talk a bit about that on the Uncensored Green Room show, which people can find at timcast.com.

00:04:14.000 Interesting conversation.

00:04:15.000 We are basically talking about whether or not Trump is going to succeed in destroying the tentacles of the beast.

00:04:20.000 We'll see.

00:04:20.000 And Phil is here!

00:04:21.000 Hello, everybody.

00:04:22.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:04:23.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains.

00:04:25.000 I'm an anti-communist, counter-revolutionary.

00:04:27.000 Let's jump to the first big story.

00:04:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Trump pardons roughly 1,500 criminal defendants charged in the January 6th Capitol attack.

00:04:36.000 The sweeping pardons would mark the beginning of the end of one of the largest investigations in FBI history.

00:04:42.000 They say that President Donald Trump said on Monday that he was issuing roughly 1,500 pardons and commuting the sentences of six of his supporters in connection with the J6 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol when thousands of them stormed the building amid his false claims that the 2020 presidential election was rigged against him.

00:04:58.000 He made the remarks after returning to the White House Monday evening.

00:05:01.000 An attorney for Enrique Torrio...

00:05:04.000 The proud boy leader convicted of seditious conspiracy told NBC News on Monday that his client was being processed for release from FCI Pollack, a medium-security federal prison in Louisiana.

00:05:15.000 Tario is serving 22 years in federal prison after being convicted of seditious conspiracy.

00:05:19.000 He is being processed out.

00:05:21.000 Now, there's a viral tweet that I believe it's from his mom saying that he is out of prison.

00:05:25.000 So we expected this.

00:05:27.000 Trump said he was going to do it.

00:05:28.000 The rumor is that, I suppose, as he's saying, Some of those who are violent and did go to prison and were convicted have been commuted, and then it's a blanket pardon for some 1,500 other people.

00:05:40.000 I'm curious what you guys think.

00:05:41.000 I'm curious what you, a congressman, think about all of this.

00:05:45.000 Well, look, I was there in the Capitol.

00:05:47.000 I was in the Cannon Building when that took place.

00:05:51.000 And here's my view of it.

00:05:54.000 If someone was out there caught up in the protest and just showed up...

00:06:00.000 And was swept in and went inside.

00:06:03.000 I have a very different view of it than people who smash down buildings, threaten people with violence, hit law enforcement officers.

00:06:12.000 So I don't know the pardons, but my guess is that some of the people, from what you're saying, who pardoned it, actually engaged in violence and destruction of property.

00:06:21.000 And my view is I thought Trump was going to be against crime.

00:06:24.000 I mean, the law and order president.

00:06:26.000 So why is any kind of violence on federal property not zero tolerance?

00:06:31.000 Do you mean, so I think there's only six commutations.

00:06:34.000 You're saying of the 15, you think it's likely that some of those probably did engage in violence?

00:06:38.000 Yeah, and the person for the seditious conspiracy, I mean, did he, if 22 years, you're sentenced to 22 years, you probably have done something that led to an imminent threat of violence.

00:06:48.000 Maybe not.

00:06:49.000 Probably done something is a dangerous way to phrase it.

00:06:52.000 Well, I trust the law, I trust the jury process there.

00:06:56.000 And, yeah, I mean, we're probably going to disagree on this issue, but I fundamentally believe that you can't go into the Capitol or plan things to go into the Capitol and engage in violence.

00:07:06.000 That's different.

00:07:06.000 Look, there were schoolteachers.

00:07:08.000 They're dentists.

00:07:09.000 They show up.

00:07:10.000 They wanted to show their support.

00:07:11.000 They got caught up in a frenzy.

00:07:13.000 The doors are open.

00:07:14.000 They go in.

00:07:15.000 If they don't threaten anyone, don't have violence.

00:07:17.000 I get that there was some of that that was taking place, and I wouldn't go after that.

00:07:21.000 But the people who were engaged in actually breaking the buildings, I completely agree.

00:07:31.000 I think that's why I've said commutation makes sense only because if someone shoved a cop or pushed them three years, four years is a long time to be in prison for like shoving a cop.

00:07:42.000 But for people who didn't know what was going on and walked into a building when the gates were down or open and got trespassed, I agree with him.

00:07:47.000 Well, I think the biggest problem here is trusting that process, right?

00:07:51.000 Because it was obviously abused.

00:07:53.000 I have a friend.

00:07:53.000 He's a photojournalist.

00:07:54.000 He's independent.

00:07:55.000 He was there that day.

00:07:56.000 He wasn't even a registered Republican.

00:07:58.000 But he was in there.

00:07:59.000 He went inside, took photos, and walked out.

00:08:01.000 He ended up getting sentenced to four years in prison for doing just that.

00:08:06.000 So when it comes down to the actual process...

00:08:08.000 It was obviously being abused there.

00:08:10.000 They're painting him in court as a hardcore Trump supporter, and this was an insurrection, and painting him that way in court, that's obviously a completely abused system right there, because just walking around, non-violent, didn't do anything violent, walking around, taking photos, and getting four years from that, that's completely unimaginable.

00:08:32.000 And there were a lot of enhancements on the sentences that turned out to be all unconstitutional by SCOTUS. They were adding to the sentences where they shouldn't have been.

00:08:40.000 But to add to all of this, George Washington...

00:08:43.000 You can tilt your mic down.

00:08:44.000 Okay.

00:08:46.000 Is that better?

00:08:47.000 Yeah.

00:08:47.000 Okay, good.

00:08:48.000 I feel more comfortable.

00:08:49.000 George Washington pardoned everybody who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion.

00:08:53.000 And then Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson pardoned everybody.

00:08:57.000 All the...

00:08:58.000 The Confederates.

00:09:00.000 So it's kind of a thought that once this is done, once you've made it through, once one side has won and one side has lost, quote unquote, it's good for the country to just move forward and not to hold on to it, just to start to heal in that way.

00:09:14.000 What do you think about that?

00:09:15.000 I think, first of all, if it was a Democrat engaged in reconciliation, that's different than your old party.

00:09:21.000 But look, that's why I said if someone was there, if this photojournalist is true, that he just walked in and...

00:09:31.000 But there were people who actually, you know, smashed the Capitol building who committed assault against law enforcement officers.

00:09:46.000 And that should just be, forget the politics of it.

00:09:49.000 I view the Capitol as a sacred place.

00:09:56.000 The pardons for the Confederates, who probably did some pretty bad things, too.

00:10:01.000 As much as some of the pundits want us to think we're in a civil war, we're not.

00:10:05.000 So I think that was a different context.

00:10:09.000 Let me ask you this.

00:10:10.000 So I think the challenge that many of us have is on May 29th, 2020, there were several thousand far-left activists.

00:10:19.000 I would say many of them extremists who tore down the barricades of the White House, firebombed the White House grounds, set fire to St. John's Church.

00:10:28.000 We did not see Capitol Police launch an investigation.

00:10:30.000 We did not see FBI raids across the country.

00:10:33.000 The president was forced into the emergency bunker.

00:10:35.000 The corporate press, the media mocked him over it, calling him bunker boy.

00:10:40.000 So that happened well before January 6th.

00:10:43.000 Seeing the photos of the smoke rising up in D.C. all across the city.

00:10:47.000 From the chaos and the rioting, seeing no law enforcement action.

00:10:51.000 For me, I'm kind of like, well, what else is new?

00:10:53.000 I've been covering protests for a decade.

00:10:54.000 Then when January 6th happens, to see a nationwide raid that actually resulted in there was a woman in Alaska who was wrongly identified.

00:11:03.000 They stormed her house.

00:11:04.000 And I'm thinking to myself, they're willing to send the feds to Alaska to raid the wrong woman's home.

00:11:10.000 And they won't even do a simple local investigation into who set fire to St. John's Church.

00:11:15.000 More importantly, who firebombed the guard post at the White House?

00:11:19.000 I mean, the White House grounds was on fire.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, there was about 60 Secret Service agents that were injured that night, dozens of police officers, dozens of vehicles, obviously St. John's Church as well.

00:11:28.000 There should be accountability for that.

00:11:29.000 I'm not defending left rioters and protesters.

00:11:34.000 And if they...

00:11:35.000 Are committing damage to the White House if they're threatening law enforcement officers?

00:11:40.000 Absolutely.

00:11:40.000 They should be going to prison for that, I mean, after a trial.

00:11:45.000 I get your point.

00:11:46.000 You're saying that the police, you feel the law enforcement, are singling out people because they're conservative in supporting Donald Trump in a way they aren't on the left.

00:11:56.000 Now, I'll tell you on the left...

00:11:57.000 They feel the opposite in this country.

00:11:59.000 I mean, it's everyone coming from their perspective of bias.

00:12:03.000 The left says no.

00:12:04.000 The cops target folks on the left more.

00:12:07.000 My view is, how do we get to a point in this country where we can agree that we should allow for protests, give people the benefit of the doubt, but when people are engaged in violence, there should be zero tolerance.

00:12:18.000 Honestly, it seems like the Democrat standard right now just...

00:12:20.000 Pardoning every single person, even if they were violent, even if they did do crazy things.

00:12:24.000 That's like the Democrat standard that I've noticed the last four years, so maybe we just do that.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, I really don't want to engage in whataboutism, and I share your opinion, but it's really hard to say that we need to hold the J6 rioters accountable and that we do have to worry about the rule of law when, you know... 1.00

00:12:44.000 There have been multiple times, I'm not going to get specific because, again, I don't want to get into whataboutism, but there have been multiple times where it seems like one political opinion is suppressed and another political opinion isn't.

00:12:57.000 So I agree with you and I understand your position, but it's really hard to accept that now it matters when there have been multiple times in the past five or so years.

00:13:10.000 That hasn't been the standard.

00:13:11.000 The George Floyd riots were some of the worst we've seen in decades.

00:13:15.000 The most destructive in U.S. history.

00:13:18.000 I think it's somewhere in the mid-20s of confirmed deaths from the rioting.

00:13:22.000 $30 billion or something like that in damage?

00:13:24.000 There were an additional 10 deaths from ancillary instances.

00:13:27.000 There was the murdering of retired Officer Dorn, I believe.

00:13:32.000 A police department was burned to the ground.

00:13:34.000 A federal building was under siege for 30 days.

00:13:37.000 No, no, it was over 100 days.

00:13:39.000 It was over 100 days.

00:13:40.000 So that was over 100 days.

00:13:41.000 But they had the Chaz and the Chad where they actually... 0.81

00:13:43.000 Yeah, I mean, they murdered two people.

00:13:45.000 I completely agree with you in that I would love to be able to say, you know, we should...

00:13:50.000 Stop having these kind of ignoring the law and stuff.

00:13:55.000 But it's really, really tough to be like, well, we're going to be the people that are going to actually start doing that and we expect the opposing political party to do the same when we don't really see that same kind of incentive feeling from the left.

00:14:12.000 Well, in that double standard, we see over and over and over again.

00:14:15.000 And I think it's really interesting.

00:14:17.000 We're talking about Enrique Terrio.

00:14:19.000 Who is a Proud Boys leader.

00:14:21.000 The Southern Poverty Law Center brands the Proud Boys as a white supremacist group.

00:14:27.000 Enrique Terrio, as you guys should know, is black and Hispanic.

00:14:31.000 So like, again, this kind of thing.

00:14:33.000 And of course the SPLC monitoring hate, unless it's Antifa, unless it's Jane's Revenge.

00:14:40.000 So yes, we should have a blind justice system that treats attacks on police and attacks on federal buildings as serious.

00:14:49.000 No matter which side you're coming from.

00:14:51.000 We should also have a little bit more of an investigation in the pro-abortion vandalism and violence that we saw.

00:14:58.000 Oh yeah, I mean...

00:14:58.000 I mean, it's like there's case after case after case where we can say, and I do say in this book about the weaponization of law enforcement, that there is a clear bias.

00:15:09.000 And I understand, you know, a lot of people on the left feel embattled too.

00:15:13.000 And it's partially because we have these echo chambers where we say, oh, we're the ones who are in battle.

00:15:18.000 We're the ones who are in battle.

00:15:19.000 We're the victims.

00:15:20.000 But if you look at this issue of crime, the left has a lot more sway.

00:15:27.000 You have a lot more prosecutors who've been funded by George Soros and the Open Society Foundation.

00:15:34.000 Around the country, we have more prosecutors.

00:15:35.000 I don't know the facts.

00:15:37.000 There are 72. How many are there?

00:15:40.000 Funded by George Soros?

00:15:41.000 Yes, he did like 72 elections.

00:15:44.000 So how many total?

00:15:45.000 I don't know how many are still in this.

00:15:47.000 Well, I think it's like in cities.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, but the locations that he focuses on are influential.

00:15:54.000 The blue cities where they've taken over, it's emboldened crime because they're not prosecuting people. 0.51

00:15:59.000 2,300.

00:16:01.000 The policy is called restorative justice.

00:16:02.000 The idea that...

00:16:05.000 People that have been in oppressed groups or marginalized groups have to be treated differently under the law, which is completely and totally antithetical to what we're talking about.

00:16:15.000 That's antithetical to the Constitution.

00:16:17.000 That's antithetical to what our country was built on.

00:16:20.000 When it comes to the Declaration of Independence, the grievances 8, 9, 18, and 19 all deal with captured courts, and the grievances 12 and 15 deal with two tiers of justice.

00:16:34.000 I feel like the large shift that we've seen politically, like how Donald Trump ends up winning the popular vote, comes from a lot of moderates.

00:16:41.000 You see Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., even someone like me.

00:16:46.000 We are all liberal.

00:16:48.000 I never consider myself like a Democrat Democrat, but if I went and voted, it was just like straight Democrat, the one or two times I ever did.

00:16:55.000 And then what ends up happening is I watch the news, and what do I see?

00:16:59.000 I see...

00:17:01.000 Far-left rioters throwing firebombs, smashing things repeatedly over and over again.

00:17:06.000 I personally end up going down and covering some of these riots and these protests.

00:17:10.000 And I see instances where they get arrested.

00:17:12.000 I was at Trump's inauguration in 2017. And there were hundreds of far-left extremists who set fires, smashed windows.

00:17:21.000 A limousine was torched.

00:17:22.000 It was owned by an immigrant.

00:17:23.000 It was a contractor who was doing rides.

00:17:28.000 Numerous fires, and then they mass-arrested several hundred people.

00:17:32.000 I end up getting caught up in what they call a police kettle.

00:17:36.000 And I, as well as a few other journalists, presented our press cards, waited patiently, and eventually got released.

00:17:42.000 These individuals who got arrested, who were clearly engaged in violence, ended up not only having their charges dropped, but they sued the federal government and won over a million dollars.

00:17:53.000 So here's someone like me, where it's like, you know, I grew up in Chicago.

00:17:57.000 Liberal, punk rock, all that stuff.

00:17:58.000 And then I'm like, oh, that's how it goes.

00:18:01.000 Then I see a bunch of right-wingers go out and protest, and it's nationwide manhunt.

00:18:05.000 And to the point where, well, I certainly agree, anybody who's violent should go to jail.

00:18:10.000 You hit a cop, you go to jail for that, you know?

00:18:13.000 I met one couple that showed up to the Capitol several hours after everyone had already left, and there were just people standing in the lawn.

00:18:22.000 They walked up an open sidewalk.

00:18:24.000 Up to a building where the doors were wide open, no broken glass on the other side of the building, and they walked in and looked around and didn't know what was going on, didn't see anything, and then just left.

00:18:33.000 And then I think it was a year later, they got their home raided, and this man and this woman were sentenced to 18 months in prison, and they had no idea why.

00:18:42.000 So when I see something like that, I think that is why you end up with people saying, Trump, pardon everybody.

00:18:47.000 We don't trust the system anymore.

00:18:49.000 We've seen too much violence go...

00:18:52.000 I mean, you had those two individuals in New York who were giving out Molotov cocktails.

00:18:56.000 Got a slap on the wrist.

00:18:57.000 You talking about the lady that firebombed the car? 0.99

00:18:59.000 No, the two lawyers.

00:19:01.000 Two lawyers were giving out Molotov cocktails in New York City.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 And they ended up getting a slap on the wrist.

00:19:05.000 No federal charges.

00:19:06.000 Akash Patel talked about it.

00:19:07.000 Right, right, right.

00:19:08.000 So that breaks my confidence in the justice system being fair and reasonable.

00:19:13.000 And then when someone comes to me and says that Donald Trump is guilty of a crime, I say, yeah, I'm reading those documents.

00:19:18.000 Someone comes to me and says Enrique Tarrio committed to discus conspiracy.

00:19:20.000 I say, yeah, right.

00:19:22.000 I just I just don't believe it.

00:19:24.000 I can't believe it.

00:19:25.000 And I think that's the reasonable take.

00:19:27.000 Not that it's wrong, but to start from a place of skepticism and then say, show me the actual evidence because the word of a jury in a 90% Democrat district is not enough for me to believe someone actually did something wrong, at least right now.

00:19:39.000 Well, and that's the real tragedy of all of this, is that the weaponization of the prosecutions is the one thing.

00:19:46.000 And, of course, not a majority of the prosecutors across the country have been supported by George Soros.

00:19:51.000 That wasn't what I was...

00:19:52.000 I think you were saying more liberal.

00:19:53.000 I was saying, yes, they tend to be more liberal.

00:19:56.000 These rogue prosecutors tend to represent the cutting edge, and they're seen as the cutting edge among the prosecutor community.

00:20:05.000 And then you see many of these examples over and over again.

00:20:09.000 Where there is not equal justice applied.

00:20:12.000 And usually that's because of the prosecutors.

00:20:15.000 Sometimes, unfortunately, it's also because of the juries.

00:20:18.000 And I love our system of justice.

00:20:20.000 I think the jury having the ultimate say is ideal.

00:20:26.000 But the problem is we're almost living in two different worlds.

00:20:30.000 where the right and the left can't see eye to eye on almost anything.

00:20:33.000 Let me ask you this, especially because we're on Martin Luther King Day.

00:20:37.000 If I concede that there were some people who, like your couple, went in, shouldn't have been prosecuted for 18 months.

00:20:47.000 And I also will tell you that anyone who engaged in violence, looting, rioting, whether they're doing it in the L.A. fires right now, should be locked up.

00:20:57.000 Or if they did it in response to George Floyd, which was, in my view, a total case of police gone broke.

00:21:07.000 But if the response to that has to be in the King's tradition of peaceful protest.

00:21:12.000 Would you, though, concede that historically, and still today, if you're black in America, there is still often bias from the police force where you could be pulled over in a way that you wouldn't be if you were Indian?

00:21:28.000 Or if you're in a certain neighborhood, and can you understand from the other perspective of some of these folks who were protesting?

00:21:35.000 I'm not justifying it.

00:21:36.000 How they see, what you see is the law enforcement biased against those who are conservative, and they're saying, no, the law enforcement actually has been, in certain places, biased against us.

00:21:45.000 Or do you think we're...

00:21:47.000 There could be some bias there.

00:21:49.000 The way the media covers it makes it suggest like it's an epidemic, and it's not.

00:21:54.000 I absolutely want answers.

00:21:55.000 I will not concede that.

00:21:56.000 And the reason why is from a logic standpoint, it would be impossible for a person or largely impossible for a person to know what the experience of another race is.

00:22:07.000 So we hear stories and we are told that black people in this country experience bias at the hands of police officers.

00:22:15.000 I actually believe some of these stories are probably true, but it's hard to quantify it.

00:22:21.000 Literally, or numerically.

00:22:24.000 And so the issue I run into is, from the south side of Chicago myself, I saw no difference between the Mexican, white, mixed, Asian, black people in my community when the cops were hassling us.

00:22:34.000 Then I see these stories from the left where they say, the talk.

00:22:38.000 Something that white people don't understand.

00:22:40.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about? 0.98

00:22:41.000 Everybody in my neighborhood does the talk.

00:22:43.000 When you were a kid in the south side of Chicago, be it white, black, Mexican, Asian, no matter what you were, your parents told you, if you get pulled over, You turn your car off, you put the keys on the dash, you turn the dome light on, you turn the radio down, wallet on your dash, hands on the wheels, and don't move because a cop could shoot you.

00:22:58.000 Everyone got that story.

00:22:59.000 So then when I'm told that there are these racial disparities because cops are treating certain minority groups a certain way, I say, okay, tell me the story.

00:23:07.000 I hear a story from someone who's a minority, be it black, Mexican, or Indian, or otherwise, and I say, that's crazy. 1.00

00:23:11.000 I can't believe that happened to you.

00:23:12.000 I have stories, too.

00:23:14.000 But then people tell me my stories don't count.

00:23:17.000 Or what ends up happening to me is if I say I'm mixed, they say, see, it proves it. 1.00

00:23:21.000 If I don't tell them I'm mixed, they say, you're white, you don't understand.

00:23:24.000 There's, for me...

00:23:26.000 You're getting to the heart of the issue, I think.

00:23:28.000 And part of the reason Trump won is that there are a lot of people in working-class neighborhoods, white working-class neighborhoods, who have suffered tremendously because jobs were offshored because of the opioid crisis, because they have not had economic opportunity.

00:23:46.000 And one can say that is true and not deny their experience or look down upon them or make it kind of a pyramid of suffering or victimhood and still acknowledge, in my view, that race also has a factor.

00:24:04.000 And that doesn't take away from the issue of people who are white and working class.

00:24:10.000 And I think that's part of the challenge in this country.

00:24:13.000 How do we have that conversation?

00:24:15.000 I think humans are tribal, so race plays a factor.

00:24:19.000 Politics can also play a factor.

00:24:21.000 When you are perceiving someone who's different from yourself, and you haven't been trained, as I think many of us rightly were in this room, to judge someone based on the content of their character, not the color of their skin, it's very easy to see in the other something that you dislike,

00:24:38.000 like that you think they're singling you out, that they're being, you know, I think that inherent distrust of tribalism is at the root of a lot of the perceptions of this supposedly widespread violence.

00:24:53.000 We had a video from, do you guys know King Randall?

00:24:56.000 Personality, I think we've had him on the show before.

00:24:58.000 Yeah, I think I've seen him.

00:24:59.000 He's a black man and he made a video just last week and he said, I can't believe this happened to me.

00:25:04.000 I got pulled over by the police.

00:25:06.000 And he films himself as he gets pulled over.

00:25:08.000 And the officer basically says, you know, I pulled you over.

00:25:10.000 He's like, no.

00:25:11.000 He's like, well, you're speeding.

00:25:11.000 He says, okay.

00:25:12.000 License and registration.

00:25:13.000 He hands him his ticket and says, just sign here.

00:25:14.000 It's not an admission of guilt.

00:25:16.000 It's just an acknowledgement of receipt.

00:25:17.000 He signs it.

00:25:18.000 He says, slow down for me, buddy.

00:25:19.000 He says, you got it.

00:25:20.000 Thank you, sir.

00:25:20.000 And that's it.

00:25:20.000 End of story.

00:25:21.000 Congressman, I think today, like I think agreeing with your point maybe back in the day was certainly more easy.

00:25:27.000 It's pretty fair that discrimination was pretty rampant in policing, let's say, in the 50s, right?

00:25:32.000 Early 90s.

00:25:33.000 I would say, yeah, yeah, sure.

00:25:34.000 60s, 70s, whatever.

00:25:36.000 But today, I would argue that there's probably more demand for that racism than there actually is supply.

00:25:41.000 Look no further than all the hoaxes we've seen recently, how much Democrat politicians leverage this, push this on their audience.

00:25:47.000 I mean, I interview people all around the country, and most people are pretty darn good, right?

00:25:52.000 You talk to a lot of people, they're honestly pretty great people.

00:25:54.000 But you do run into people that genuinely are, like, fearful of white people walking around because they believe that maybe they're connected to the Proud Boys or they're racist and they'll hunt them down in the street or something like that.

00:26:06.000 And you're just like, in what reality is this the case?

00:26:10.000 Or how is this even possible?

00:26:11.000 But it's because people, politicians, and media figures leverage this stuff to a lot of times push fear on the American people.

00:26:18.000 I genuinely don't think there's that much supply for it today.

00:26:23.000 I will tell you, though, I do think systemic racism exists.

00:26:27.000 And so I'll clarify what that means, because I know a lot of people in the audience are going to say, Tim, you're wrong.

00:26:32.000 There are systems that were built over a long period of time back when this country had overtly racist laws and policies that remain in effect as barriers.

00:26:40.000 For instance, redlining and blockbusting, which were legal practices in Chicago and in many other places, left behind structural remnants that exist today.

00:26:49.000 So if someone comes to me and says, My family is impoverished, largely due to the actions taken in the 1950s, which segregated us, and now we are struggling to get out of this area.

00:27:00.000 That's absolutely 100% factually correct.

00:27:02.000 The issue of individual biases, I think you made a great point about humans being tribal, I do agree with and think exists.

00:27:07.000 But I think, you know, outside of these structures, we have largely passed these laws to make that all illegal.

00:27:15.000 And now I think the majority of the population is trying to avoid being racist.

00:27:20.000 And they don't like being called racist, and we don't want that to be the principal issue.

00:27:24.000 I do think we've largely dealt with it from a legal point.

00:27:27.000 And now it's going to require, you know, I think we have to be cognizant of these systems, right?

00:27:32.000 Redlining and blockbusting, for instance, for those who don't know, redlining was when real estate companies would only sell property to black people in an area near the red line in Chicago.

00:27:40.000 Creating isolated pockets of racial segregation.

00:27:44.000 And that results in you don't have the same industry, you don't have the same tax base, you don't have the same schools, you don't have the same skill sets as a robust, eclectic, educated area.

00:27:54.000 Being aware of that, I think, is important.

00:27:57.000 But I think blaming cops and calling them racist when police departments in big cities are even...

00:28:03.000 They have affirmative action for the past 20 or 30 years.

00:28:06.000 I would say, I think we may have swung the pendulum a little bit too far in the other way, which is causing more problems.

00:28:11.000 Part of the challenge, I think, is that we've been having these conversations in silos.

00:28:15.000 So if someone says your point, that you think that there isn't as much racism, the reaction on the left often could be, well, that's just a racist thing to say.

00:28:29.000 Puts you in a position of anger and defensiveness.

00:28:32.000 And on the right, on the flip side, if someone says, no, I actually experience the world through race and come live in my shoes, on the right people say, oh, they're just engaging in identity politics and they're just making this about race for advantage as opposed to being authentic.

00:28:50.000 And the reality is those two groups aren't talking to each other.

00:28:53.000 And one of the things we've got to do is have their authentic people in the George Floyd protest, not the ones who rioted, who, you know, my friend Jamal Bowman, he will tell you what he thinks it's like being a black person in New York, and you should talk to him about where you think being white in a neighborhood was.

00:29:14.000 You had the same experience, and we ought to be able to have these conversations without labeling each other in a derogatory way.

00:29:21.000 I agree.

00:29:22.000 Let's move on to this next story, because this is a big one.

00:29:25.000 This is from Fox News.

00:29:26.000 Biden pardons Mark Milley, Anthony Fauci, and the J6 committee members.

00:29:31.000 Now, I will also add that he pardoned his entire family, which is another story.

00:29:36.000 But I want to start with this one, because Mark Milley, I think, is the most...

00:29:41.000 For those who don't know, and maybe Josie or Phil, or whoever, James, maybe you guys know better than me, Mark Milley subverted the chain of command to communicate with China a codified adversary of the United States.

00:29:54.000 That pardon is shockingly egregious.

00:29:57.000 I'm most interested to find out who accepts the pardons, because the accepting of the pardon is an admission of guilt.

00:30:03.000 You can't be pardoned if you haven't done something wrong.

00:30:07.000 So I'm really excited to see...

00:30:09.000 If the whole J6 committee accepts, then it's one thing.

00:30:14.000 But if there are members of the J6 committee that accept and some that don't, you can subpoena the ones that did accept.

00:30:20.000 They have immunity, but they no longer have Fifth Amendment protection.

00:30:23.000 So they could be forced to testify against the other J6 committee members.

00:30:28.000 So that's what I'm interested to see if that happens.

00:30:30.000 Let me clarify one point.

00:30:31.000 If the argument is Donald Trump will target his political opponents on the J6 committee...

00:30:36.000 I understand the argument.

00:30:38.000 I disagree, but I understand the argument.

00:30:40.000 But Anthony Fauci?

00:30:41.000 And then to make it worse, Mark Milley.

00:30:43.000 Mark Milley engaged in very questionable actions in his communications with China outside the chain of command in defiance of the commander-in-chief.

00:30:50.000 That terrifies me.

00:30:52.000 I mean, it should absolutely be investigated.

00:30:54.000 And if Mark Milley is guilty of sedition or, dare I say, treason, I mean, there's got to be some action that we take as a nation to prevent that.

00:31:02.000 Milley was essentially saying he would give them a heads up.

00:31:04.000 Is that correct?

00:31:05.000 Just in case Donald Trump was going to do anything, he was giving China a heads up.

00:31:08.000 He said he would defy the chain of command if need be.

00:31:11.000 That's communication with a...

00:31:13.000 China is listed in the U.S. In U.S. law, as an adversary of this nation.

00:31:18.000 To be fair, Congress does declare war, so I would hope, and if I'm going to be charitable towards Mark Milley, I would hope if Congress were to declare war on China, then Mark Milley would rethink that position.

00:31:33.000 But to say I would defy the commander-in-chief, that's a bad look, man.

00:31:37.000 Let me just say this.

00:31:39.000 One place I have appreciated Trump's speech today is his commitment not to get us into foreign wars.

00:31:47.000 And he was, I think, bold in criticizing the Iraq War in his own presidential primary.

00:31:53.000 And as a lot of times said, we shouldn't be getting into these endless wars.

00:31:57.000 I feel differently about Milley in the sense that he was trying to prevent...

00:32:03.000 The escalation of a conflict than if he was doing something in defiance to start a war.

00:32:09.000 And so if we've got generals out there who are saying, and by the way, I don't think Donald Trump wants to start an actual war with China.

00:32:16.000 I don't.

00:32:16.000 I agree.

00:32:17.000 And I think it's good that people need to articulate that.

00:32:19.000 And so if we've got generals...

00:32:22.000 In the Pentagon, as opposed to a lot of other generals in our history or in our country who are saying, you know what, I want to make sure that we're doing everything we can not to get into a war.

00:32:32.000 I'm not concerned that this country is going to be too timid about getting into war when we really need to.

00:32:39.000 Well, I think the other aspect here is Fauci.

00:32:42.000 And Fauci repeatedly said in congressional testimony that we were not funding gain-of-function research over and over and over and over again.

00:32:52.000 And the quantity and just the disruptive nature of these lies during the COVID-19 pandemic when he presented himself as the figurehead of science.

00:33:04.000 And yet he was telling the American people exactly the opposite of the truth in many cases.

00:33:10.000 Often saying, you know, this was a white lie.

00:33:13.000 Like when they said that PPE wasn't helpful, you know, that you shouldn't wear masks during COVID. And then they said, oh, you should wear masks.

00:33:20.000 And then you wait for the reason.

00:33:23.000 And they said, the reason was we lied to the public because we didn't want them to buy all the PPE. And then all of the science and all the medical staff wouldn't be able to.

00:33:34.000 So they admitted they lied, and then they come out and say that they are the science.

00:33:38.000 There has to be accountability for this.

00:33:40.000 And this goes beyond that.

00:33:41.000 This is Newsweek.

00:33:43.000 September 9th, 2021, Fauci was untruthful to Congress about Wuhan lab research.

00:33:48.000 New documents appear to show.

00:33:49.000 Senator Rand Paul held up a document that outright said gain-of-function research was performed and funded through the United States, through Eagle Health Alliance, through HHS, under Fauci, and he said it didn't happen and they didn't do it.

00:34:03.000 Why would this man be pardoned?

00:34:04.000 I mean, here's what I don't understand.

00:34:07.000 Fauci was Donald Trump's advisor.

00:34:09.000 During COVID, Donald Trump brought him on TV every step of the way and defended it, much to the chagrin of his supporters and many libertarians.

00:34:18.000 After he got out of office, sure there was a little bit of back and forth, but why would Trump politically retaliate against the guy he chose to be his advisor to make him look bad?

00:34:26.000 I think the reality is Joe Biden is protecting Fauci from willful crimes that Fauci committed.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, so something about that is, so the pardon, you admit that you're guilty, it's an admission of guilt, essentially, and that goes back to Burdick 1915, and essentially what that says is, you cannot be compelled to accept a pardon, because if you are, then that violates your right to not self-incriminate yourself.

00:34:52.000 However, this pardon for Fauci says, this is not an admission of guilt.

00:34:57.000 So that directly violates...

00:35:01.000 The verdict, really, for SCOTUS. Wait, the actual text?

00:35:05.000 The actual text of it says this is not an admission of guilt.

00:35:10.000 You could find it and look it up.

00:35:13.000 It's not saying he's guilty.

00:35:15.000 I don't know if the other ones...

00:35:17.000 I know Fauci said that.

00:35:18.000 I don't know if the other ones did.

00:35:20.000 Lawlessness of this president.

00:35:21.000 As a Democrat on the panel, let me just say this about Dr. Fauci.

00:35:25.000 Just so folks have a slightly opposing or differing point of view.

00:35:29.000 Look, he's dedicated his whole life to public service.

00:35:32.000 The guy could have gotten rich.

00:35:33.000 He helped George W. Bush with PEPFAR, which, in my view, was one of the great achievements of America under President George Bush, where we saved millions of people in Africa for AIDS. And Fauci, in my view whether he was right or wrong largely was acting in the public interest i don't think we should be and by and one of the things i give

00:35:57.000 trump credit for is operation warp speed which fauci was also involved in which was giving government uh procurement guarantees so we could develop the vaccine it's mind-boggling to me that trump has not bragged about that more To me, that was his singular best thing that he did in terms of working on the vaccine cures that we did for the world.

00:36:17.000 And for humanity.

00:36:18.000 So my view is, whether you agree or disagree with Fauci, do you really want to create a criminal standard for people in public service who are coming and doing what they think is the public government?

00:36:29.000 Well, if you lie to Congress, it's lying to Congress.

00:36:33.000 You know how many people come to our committees and think they want to put them all in jail?

00:36:38.000 And how many times do they say, I can't recall?

00:36:43.000 If Anthony Fauci had said, I can't recall, instead of, full stop, we don't fund gain-of-function research, we would be having a totally different discussion right now.

00:36:52.000 This is one of the worst ramifications of the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

00:36:56.000 Bill Clinton was found to have lied to Congress.

00:37:00.000 And he admitted it later, and nothing happened.

00:37:04.000 And that was a terrible precedent to set.

00:37:08.000 I believe I have the...

00:37:11.000 It's from justice.gov, executive grant of clemency, Joseph R. Biden Jr., Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, a full and unconditional pardon.

00:37:18.000 It does not say it's not admission of guilt.

00:37:20.000 His statement said that on the White House website, saying that accepting this is not an admission of guilt.

00:37:27.000 But that's his personal statement.

00:37:28.000 That's not the case.

00:37:29.000 I do recognize a lot of people lie to Congress, and that's the point of swearing them in.

00:37:35.000 They shouldn't.

00:37:35.000 And unfortunately, there are a lot of people who commit perjury all the time.

00:37:40.000 And the aggrieved parties will always complain about it, and it's very difficult to prove someone lied.

00:37:45.000 So that I recognize.

00:37:46.000 In this instance, Rand Paul held up the document that said gain-of-function, and Fauci lied and said, nope.

00:37:52.000 And he's like, pretty black and white.

00:37:54.000 So Fauci accepted the pardon that is an admission of guilt, and then he said in a personal statement, I'm not guilty?

00:38:00.000 He did say that?

00:38:01.000 Yeah, that's his personal statement then.

00:38:04.000 So how does that work?

00:38:06.000 Does he think he keeps his Fifth Amendment?

00:38:09.000 I guess legally he confessed.

00:38:11.000 Honest question.

00:38:12.000 So these pardons go back to January 1st, 2014. Quick question.

00:38:16.000 What was going on in Ukraine in 2014?

00:38:18.000 Huh, I wonder.

00:38:19.000 Burisma? 0.99

00:38:20.000 To your point about moving on, right?

00:38:22.000 Just like the Jay said, wouldn't we want to move on from Fauci?

00:38:25.000 I mean, isn't that part of...

00:38:26.000 Part of Trump...

00:38:27.000 I mean, he said today he doesn't want any retribution.

00:38:29.000 He wants to move on.

00:38:30.000 He doesn't want to politicize things.

00:38:31.000 Isn't that part of what we need to do as a country?

00:38:34.000 So sometimes we need to resolve.

00:38:36.000 The problem with COVID in general is that it peeled the band-aid off of the way that a lot of our elite institutions are abusing their power over people.

00:38:47.000 And so one of the things, you know, be it school closures, and then you have this big focus on...

00:38:54.000 Looking at education and trying to figure out, you know, having parental rights, trying to balance these different issues, and suddenly you have a former governor of Virginia running for governor again, coming out and saying that he doesn't want parents deciding what their kids learn in school.

00:39:12.000 And over and over again, you see...

00:39:15.000 I'm glad to be sitting with you, Ro, because I think you have a track record of standing against some of the worst abuses I've seen from your party and the elites who generally agree with it.

00:39:26.000 But I think a lot of the corruption that we've seen in this country was unveiled in COVID, and we have to solve it.

00:39:34.000 And that's why we have a big populist movement.

00:39:36.000 That's why we had a populist movement on the left, too, with Bernie Sanders.

00:39:40.000 But one of the things I really focus on in my book...

00:39:45.000 Is how these big donors are funding these initiatives that are pushing, you know, all these non-profits are pushing ideas that are being almost forced on the American people through the elite apparatus.

00:39:58.000 There I agree with you sometimes, and I'm going to, I don't want to interrupt you, but I said sometimes my staff, they send me their 200 groups who have come out for something, and I said there are 200 groups run by 100 people.

00:40:09.000 You know, this is the biggest myth in terms of all these groups.

00:40:13.000 So I agree with you.

00:40:14.000 That sometimes they can make us be out of touch on certain issues.

00:40:19.000 Let's jump to this next set of pardons.

00:40:21.000 We have this tweet from Philip Blackman.

00:40:23.000 He says, Pursuant to my powers under Article 2,

00:40:45.000 Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, have granted unto James B. Biden, Sarah Jones Biden, Valerie Biden Owens, John T. Owens, and Francis W. Biden a full and unconditional pardon for any nonviolent offenses against the United States which they may have committed or taken pardon during the period from January 1st, 2014 through the date of this pardon.

00:41:06.000 In testimony whereof, I have...

00:41:09.000 Heron, too, signed my name and caused the seal of the Department of Justice to be affixed.

00:41:15.000 I think Joe Biden's family committed a bunch of crimes.

00:41:18.000 Does it go back to 2014?

00:41:21.000 It certainly does.

00:41:22.000 It sure does.

00:41:23.000 Congressman Roe, what is the takeaway from this?

00:41:26.000 What is your takeaway?

00:41:28.000 I didn't like it when he did Hunter Biden, because I've been for the curtailment of the presidential power.

00:41:35.000 I mean, we don't live in King George's time.

00:41:37.000 I don't think presidents of any party should have this kind of broad power to just wave their wand and say, okay, some family member, some friend is going to be pardoned.

00:41:48.000 And I think as the Democrats, if we're going to be the party of reform that says we want to get money out of politics, we want to stop members from trading stock, then we should be for reforming the pardon power.

00:42:00.000 So I can't defend this.

00:42:04.000 What I will say is that we should have some Amendment in this country to at least restrict the pardon power, in my view, especially for friends and family.

00:42:15.000 Outside of that, I... That's an interesting thought, and I don't completely disagree.

00:42:19.000 But outside of that, there's the more granular of, why would Joe Biden pardon all of his family members?

00:42:25.000 We all know.

00:42:26.000 I mean, Frank Biden, Jim Biden, they were trading on his name in Delaware.

00:42:30.000 They got rich just because he was a senator.

00:42:33.000 I don't think it's—it's not reasonable to just say that Donald Trump is going to go after Valerie Biden Owens.

00:42:39.000 I think the reality is that this literally, five minutes before Trump was sworn in, issuing of a pardon, I would be more inclined to believe, based on what we know, and I'll cite Politico magazine going back several years to Biden Inc., James Biden was accused in that magazine of peddling influence and taking contracts from his brother illicitly.

00:42:59.000 I think this is indicative of what we've long known.

00:43:02.000 I don't think it needs to necessarily single out the Biden family.

00:43:06.000 I think the issue may be perhaps this is the first time there's reason for or a president willing to go after the corrupt influences of prominent families in government.

00:43:16.000 So I want to ask Roe something.

00:43:18.000 So Article 2, Section 2 grants the president the power to grant the pardons and the reprieves.

00:43:24.000 So if you were to limit his power, would that be a constitutional amendment?

00:43:28.000 It would have to be.

00:43:29.000 It would have to be because it's in the Constitution that gives the president...

00:43:34.000 I think this goes back to Hamilton, who kind of viewed the presidency as almost analogous to a king.

00:43:41.000 And I think we've moved far away from that time.

00:43:44.000 Now, I will say, the only thing, and I don't defend the pardon, but we don't want to criminalize politics.

00:43:53.000 I get that there are people on the Republican side who blame the Democrats for doing that, but I think at some point...

00:44:01.000 It's got to end, because people are not perfect.

00:44:05.000 Usually you don't get angels in politics.

00:44:07.000 I will say this, surprisingly, the Congresses of the past have been a lot more corrupt.

00:44:13.000 You had the robber barons who actually bought members of Congress and senators.

00:44:17.000 And by criminalizing it, what you're doing is you're telling every young kid in this country, yeah, you don't want to really be in Congress, you don't want to be a senator, you don't want to run for president, you don't want to go be in the cabinet.

00:44:27.000 So how do we...

00:44:29.000 Somehow figure out how we have accountability without everyone thinking, okay, if I run for office, now everyone in my family, if they've done anything wrong, now there's going to be a big spotlight.

00:44:42.000 This is Politico from 2019, Biden, Inc.

00:44:46.000 Over his decades in office, middle class Joe's family fortunes have closely tracked his political career.

00:44:50.000 Going to mention how his brother got lucrative contracts in Iraq.

00:44:54.000 I think the reality is perhaps it's time to start doing this.

00:44:57.000 My whole life.

00:44:58.000 I've had almost no faith in government.

00:45:00.000 The first time I voted was for Obama, and then I instantly regretted it because he blew up a village of women and children by executive order.

00:45:07.000 Where was that?

00:45:08.000 I believe it was Pakistan.

00:45:10.000 This is 2009 January.

00:45:11.000 It was immediately reported that a drone strike ordered by Obama killed a village of some sort.

00:45:18.000 And I remember being an anti-war activist, marching against George W. Bush, told by everybody, you've got to vote for Obama, for the first time in my life.

00:45:26.000 Seeing this just absolute corruption ripping at the soul of this country, it looks like something's being done about it.

00:45:33.000 Now, you can say that Donald Trump's doing it because of revenge, and I can say, well, I don't know his motivations, but I would like to see the Biden family, the Clintons, or the Trumps, whoever.

00:45:43.000 Anybody peddling influence illicitly, corruptly to enrich themselves.

00:45:47.000 I'm not a fan of Trump's meme coin.

00:45:49.000 I don't view it as a crime, however.

00:45:50.000 I just think it's crass.

00:45:51.000 When Donald Trump tried to have the G7 at Trump Doral, I called that out immediately.

00:45:55.000 He should not be using his properties.

00:45:56.000 It's a conflict of interest no matter what he charges.

00:45:59.000 And when there were reports that Trump properties were advertised on military websites, or I believe it was a State Department website, I said, that's wrong.

00:46:04.000 It shouldn't be.

00:46:05.000 I don't view those as overtly criminal.

00:46:07.000 When I look at the Biden family, you've got a litany.

00:46:10.000 Of accusations, charges.

00:46:12.000 You've got Tony Bobulinski.

00:46:14.000 You've got Devin Archer all coming out saying that they were engaged in illicit activities.

00:46:17.000 And then Biden comes and pardons his whole family.

00:46:20.000 So I would agree that we don't want someone to believe that if you get into politics, they're going to target your family because show me the man, show me the crime.

00:46:28.000 But at the same time, I don't know how this country survives if the Biden family's activities, which have been widely documented going back to, again, not even 2019, well before that, if we ignore these things and say, that's par for the course, Trump's going to go ham.

00:46:43.000 And then whoever comes after Trump next is going to be like, I'm the president.

00:46:47.000 How much are you going to pay me to sign an executive order?

00:46:49.000 And no one will be able to do anything about it because of precedent.

00:46:52.000 Well, and this is also part of that elite apparatus, right?

00:46:54.000 We saw the legacy media.

00:46:56.000 You know, Politico, to their credit, covered this.

00:46:58.000 There were a lot of things that were covered like that.

00:47:01.000 But in the past four years, we've seen the legacy media act as though it was the height of mendacity to suggest there could anything be wrong with Hunter Biden and that Joe Biden could be involved.

00:47:14.000 And every single time it was like, how dare you suggest?

00:47:17.000 I mean, we had big tech, as you rightly condemned, censoring a story that was reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:47:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:27.000 No, I mean, that's being on your party and standing for that kind of thing.

00:47:32.000 So, Roe, how would you, in your constitutional amendment, how would you limit the presidential pardon power?

00:47:38.000 Would you say you can't pardon your family?

00:47:40.000 And would that go against some sort of equal rights protection?

00:47:44.000 I would probably, I mean, I'd have to think it through.

00:47:46.000 but I'd probably say it has to be through some independent board or some independent...

00:47:50.000 Review, where if a president wants to have that power, there has to be some check to it, and some review.

00:47:58.000 Now look, here's the thing, and I don't want to just take a...

00:48:03.000 political shots at Donald Trump on the day he was inaugurated.

00:48:06.000 But it's not like he's been a paragon of virtue.

00:48:09.000 I mean, you know, making billions of dollars on this meme coin.

00:48:13.000 There have been allegations that he'd want people to stay at his hotels.

00:48:18.000 There's things about his family.

00:48:20.000 But I wouldn't want...

00:48:21.000 There is going to be another Democratic president.

00:48:23.000 I don't know when, hopefully in 28, but maybe the pendulum swings back and forth.

00:48:28.000 I wouldn't want that president to say, you know what, we're going to go and investigate all of Donald Trump's family and all of his dealings.

00:48:36.000 Now, if there's an independent justice attorneys and people in law enforcement who are doing it, that's one thing.

00:48:43.000 thing, but I don't want the president on either party directing the Justice Department to be going after their political rivals. 0.58

00:48:53.000 I would say to your idea about the Independent Commission, a lot of states do this.

00:48:57.000 The governor can issue a pardon, but it has to go through a panel to get approved.

00:49:00.000 And I don't completely disagree with that.

00:49:01.000 I do understand the original arguments that they were making for why the president would have this power.

00:49:06.000 But then there is an interesting point about, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

00:49:11.000 If we exist in a society where...

00:49:14.000 Political retaliation will always be.

00:49:16.000 The next president is going to investigate the last.

00:49:18.000 They do that in third world countries.

00:49:20.000 Right.

00:49:20.000 They will find crimes.

00:49:21.000 They will just be like, you jaywalked and that, oh, and you were carrying too much money.

00:49:26.000 That makes it a federal offense.

00:49:28.000 So that we definitely want to avoid.

00:49:30.000 But then there is the problem of the double-edged sword of, if we don't do it, then people are going to abuse it.

00:49:36.000 And if we do it, they're going to abuse it.

00:49:38.000 So what do we do?

00:49:39.000 I mean...

00:49:40.000 How do you solve for that we know powerful individuals have utilized the office for financial gain corruptly, but we also don't want an abuse of the DOJ to go after people for political reasons?

00:49:53.000 Well, that's one of Trump's promises that he made is he's like, the law fair's over.

00:49:57.000 And that's why he's really not, doesn't seem to be wanting to push any of these investigations on any of his political adversaries.

00:50:04.000 So maybe that could be the way to reset it.

00:50:06.000 Listen, you did all this horrible stuff to me, and I almost died, and I was assassinated, or almost assassinated, and we don't know anything about that.

00:50:16.000 But maybe that's his way of trying to heal.

00:50:19.000 This is our reset.

00:50:19.000 I'm not going to retaliate.

00:50:21.000 I give him a lot of credit.

00:50:22.000 I think people, if he restrains from that, in my view, that would be a credit to him.

00:50:28.000 But one way to go after this, Tim, is I think podcasts, and the media, and X, and TikTok.

00:50:36.000 I have the smallest of things that people think may be a conflict of interest, and there are TikTok videos and Instagrams all over the place, right?

00:50:44.000 And, you know, it can be annoying because everyone now in America has the baseline assumption that every politician must be a lying, corrupt person, and that we've got to fix because that's not the case.

00:50:56.000 But the fact is that it is much harder to get away with stuff today.

00:51:00.000 And we may not need a criminal fix on it.

00:51:03.000 We may need more transparency in media so that you...

00:51:05.000 You don't have independent media, so you don't have a legacy media protecting people.

00:51:09.000 When you say that, because of your stance on the Hunter Biden censorship, I think you really mean it, and I'm very glad to hear, because I think that more transparency is largely the answer.

00:51:24.000 We have systems in place where, you know...

00:51:27.000 People are held accountable through elections.

00:51:29.000 We have checks and balances in our Constitution.

00:51:32.000 We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

00:51:34.000 We have a lot of protections there.

00:51:36.000 We just have to use them.

00:51:37.000 And so long as we have more transparency, the chance that we will use them, I think, increases.

00:51:44.000 Well, let's jump to this story here from the Postmillennial.

00:51:47.000 El Paso Port of Entry shuts down as Trump takes office.

00:51:51.000 We also have this from NBC News.

00:51:53.000 Trump shuts down immigration app dashing migrants' hopes of entering the U.S. One of the viral stories that's been going around is an image of a video of a woman who's breaking down in tears because she will now not be allowed into the United States.

00:52:06.000 There was a journalist who posted this, but it's always something like that.

00:52:10.000 There's no video of the cartel members with rifles running away, the drug traffickers or the child traffickers.

00:52:16.000 It's always going to be the humanitarian crisis.

00:52:18.000 And there's a meme.

00:52:20.000 Where it's a child crying and a person saying, oh no, the child's crying, quick burn the Constitution.

00:52:25.000 The joke being, when the press comes out with this sad sympathy story, or even someone like Ocasio-Cortez says, these poor asylum seekers, it's ignoring the other side of that coin, which is the evil we are trying to stop. 0.96

00:52:38.000 So I would say I largely know the opinions, I could guess.

00:52:42.000 Everybody here, that their opinions are largely going to be in favor of this, but Congressman Conn, I'm curious what you think about the shutdown of the border and the immigration app.

00:52:50.000 Look, there's no doubt that we needed a more secure border, and I'm not going to defend that the process was messed up and that people were coming here without the legal way.

00:53:05.000 I mean, my parents came as immigrants.

00:53:06.000 They came legally.

00:53:08.000 My father came...

00:53:10.000 To study at University of Michigan and then got a green card and my mom then became citizens.

00:53:15.000 That's the way you come to America. 0.94

00:53:17.000 And the Democratic Party does need to be clear about that.

00:53:21.000 And it's factual that a lot of people came in an illegal way under the Biden presidency.

00:53:29.000 That said, I believe that this country is also a humane country and that when people are coming with legitimate cases, either of asylum...

00:53:38.000 Or in my view, if they want to come and work here and make money here and send it back to their families or go back to their families, I think there should be a process for that or if they're fleeing for persecution.

00:53:50.000 And I don't think just shutting it down is the right way.

00:53:54.000 By the way, if you shut it down in a port of entry, they're probably more likely to come in a non-port of entry way.

00:54:00.000 So it's an issue that we need a secure border, but I still believe...

00:54:05.000 That there needs to be a humanity to allowing us home, so I don't support sort of a blanket.

00:54:10.000 We're just going to shut it down.

00:54:11.000 Tyler, are you basically just ban all immigration?

00:54:14.000 No.

00:54:15.000 No, I mean, so we talk, and I don't want to go too down this road, but we talk a little bit about race, and I like to think, you know, I... I'm descended from two groups that were not considered white until very recently, Irish and Belarusian Jewish.

00:54:33.000 So my own ancestry is complicated.

00:54:36.000 And you talk about redlining.

00:54:38.000 You talk about the history of racism.

00:54:41.000 Those things are real.

00:54:43.000 I think today we're being told that racism is something simple, binary, you know, white, bad, black, good.

00:54:51.000 And it's a lot more complicated.

00:54:54.000 But when it comes to the border, I think we need to have a law that applies equally to everyone.

00:55:03.000 And right now, we have illegal aliens who are being told, you can enter the country, you can abuse the system.

00:55:10.000 I grew up in Colorado.

00:55:12.000 Two of my classmates when I was growing up were Mexican legal immigrants who went through the process.

00:55:19.000 And they're the ones I think are most offended, most harmed by this illegal immigration crisis. 0.99

00:55:27.000 Besides the people, obviously, like Lake and Riley, who lost her life.

00:55:31.000 And I mean, I've really enjoyed our conversation, Ro.

00:55:35.000 I see that you voted against the Lake and Riley Act.

00:55:38.000 I'm happy to explain, yeah.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, I'd love to hear.

00:55:40.000 So my view is, of course, I have deep sympathy and genuine sympathy for the family of Lake and Riley.

00:55:47.000 And the...

00:55:49.000 My view of it is, I have deep sympathy for the family of Lake and Raleigh.

00:55:53.000 My view of it is that if there is someone who's convicted of a violent crime or a sex crime, they should be deported.

00:56:03.000 In fact, I just voted for Mesa's H.R. 30 that says if you're convicted of a sexual offense, you should be deported.

00:56:11.000 The way the Lake and Raleigh Act was worded...

00:56:14.000 It said, if you're arrested, you should be deported.

00:56:18.000 And I'm a due process person.

00:56:20.000 I mean, we gave the Nazis trials because we believed in the rule of law.

00:56:24.000 I just think people here should have the rule of law.

00:56:27.000 Now, people say, okay, if they came across in an undocumented way, they're already illegal.

00:56:33.000 But I don't have the view.

00:56:34.000 And here I may just disagree.

00:56:36.000 I don't have the view that every single person who came here in an undocumented way should have mass deportation of 11 million.

00:56:42.000 I do have the view that if you're convicted of a violent offense or a sex offense that you should be deported.

00:56:48.000 Is that ultimately, and I don't want to misrepresent your argument here, I guess wait until they commit a crime against an American citizen and then deport them after they've committed a violent crime?

00:56:59.000 No.

00:57:00.000 When you send them to jail, why would you deport them?

00:57:02.000 Well, you would send them to jail and then deport them in terms of the extradition.

00:57:07.000 But wait for them to commit a crime and then do something?

00:57:09.000 Well, I think, first of all, most of the statistics show that immigrants commit statistically less crimes than those of us like me.

00:57:17.000 Real quick, guys, real quick.

00:57:21.000 I pulled the bill up.

00:57:22.000 It's for unlawfully present in the United States.

00:57:26.000 So this is not just immigrants in general.

00:57:28.000 It's...

00:57:28.000 Any unlawfully present individual in the United States who has been arrested for burglary, theft, larceny, or shoplifting must be detained by the Department of Homeland Security.

00:57:41.000 It says under this bill, DHS must detain the individual who, one, has unlawfully present in the United States or does not possess necessary documents when applying for admission, or two, has been charged with, arrested for, convicted for, or admits to having committed acts.

00:57:59.000 That's interesting.

00:58:02.000 I actually agree with Rep.

00:58:03.000 Connie here because it says, if you were to separate sections 1 and 2, and this is just a summary, so I'd have to go through it, but under the summary, you could read it as, under this bill, DHS must detain an individual who has been charged with, arrested, for, convicted of, or admits to having committed acts that constitute an essential element of burglary, theft, larceny, or shoplifting.

00:58:20.000 That could apply to Americans.

00:58:22.000 I mean, again, it's just a summary, so I don't know what they're...

00:58:26.000 I think the spirit of the act...

00:58:28.000 I think they're...

00:58:28.000 In fairness to the authors, I think they are talking about those who are undocumented who...

00:58:33.000 Is it illegal or no?

00:58:35.000 But that would mean a 100% crime rate.

00:58:37.000 People that are in the country illegal?

00:58:38.000 Well, their argument is this.

00:58:40.000 So my view is like, okay, you got a DACA kid, hypothetically, who's someone basically who's undocumented because their parents came here, grew up here.

00:58:47.000 They go out, they go, they have a DUI, they commit shoplifting.

00:58:52.000 If they're arrested at the moment of...

00:58:55.000 They could be deported.

00:58:58.000 And my view is it has to be a violent crime or a sex offense that you're convicted of.

00:59:03.000 The response is, well, the crime is entering the United States. 0.84

00:59:10.000 Shouldn't everyone be deported?

00:59:12.000 And that is Donald Trump's position.

00:59:13.000 That's Tom Haman's position.

00:59:15.000 Let's deport 11 million folks. 1.00

00:59:18.000 And my view is that...

00:59:19.000 The vast majority of those 11 million undocumented are people like someone in my district who is a dental hygienist.

00:59:26.000 She's been here 25 years.

00:59:27.000 Her daughter is studying for med school in Southern California.

00:59:30.000 She drives down every day once a month and drives back the same day because she can't afford a hotel, because she's underpaid as a dental hygienist. 0.84

00:59:40.000 And I want a person like that not...

00:59:42.000 To be deported, I think there should be a path to citizenship.

00:59:45.000 And that's the genuine difference.

00:59:47.000 But how do we make the system fair?

00:59:48.000 You know, you talk about paths to citizenship.

00:59:50.000 And I think a lot of Americans' heartstrings are pulled by these people.

00:59:54.000 And to some degree, rightly so.

00:59:56.000 But what you have is a massive amount of illegal aliens in this country who are not here legally.

01:00:04.000 We have a system that's complicated that allows people to come here legally, which we all...

01:00:10.000 I think most of us support.

01:00:12.000 I mean, there's a growing faction on the right who opposes all immigration, period.

01:00:17.000 I'm not part of that group, I think, immigration, when it is rightly tailored and welcomes the right people who actually love this country and want to follow our laws. 0.97

01:00:27.000 And the number one way that you know if somebody loves this country and wants to follow our laws or doesn't is if they're following the law when they first enter the country.

01:00:37.000 I do have a correction.

01:00:39.000 I did misread it.

01:00:40.000 It's and, not or.

01:00:42.000 Meaning they have to be unlawfully present and.

01:00:45.000 So it's both criteria.

01:00:46.000 That was my mistake.

01:00:47.000 But what I'd love to have...

01:00:50.000 So I think there are two problems we have with the border, right?

01:00:53.000 First is the open border.

01:00:54.000 The policies that Trump is rightly reenacting after Biden got rid of them immediately.

01:01:00.000 He was following a lot of these groups where you say 200 organizations, ACLU. And that

01:01:31.000 usually kills debate among Republicans because what we saw...

01:01:35.000 In the 1980s was that amnesty was the first thing that got through and then the rest that was promised in the law didn't get enacted.

01:01:45.000 And what we've seen the right shoved aside on this and the concerns about illegal immigration dismissed as if they don't really matter.

01:01:57.000 Well, I hear that.

01:01:59.000 And first, I just want to say on the ACLU and Center for Market Progress, those groups are, in my view, constructive.

01:02:05.000 I'm not saying I agree with all their policy, but I didn't want people to think that I was saying that they're one of the groups that don't matter because I do work with them on civil liberties issues and policy.

01:02:15.000 But your broader point is I think that if you have my view that America is going to become the first truly cohesive multiracial democracy in the world, that no other nation has ever done this, and this is something truly remarkable about America, I don't think having an influx of those who are undocumented I don't think having an influx of those who are undocumented coming to America is helping that I think it has created resentment.

01:02:38.000 I think it has created anger.

01:02:40.000 And so if you're telling me that we need to do a better job of securing the border and having a process and...

01:02:48.000 Insuring Americans, who I believe, given my own upbringing in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, in a 99% white community when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, I believe Americans are fundamentally decent. 0.50

01:02:58.000 I think it's a kind country.

01:03:00.000 I think it's a country that, at its core, is one that embraces people today.

01:03:06.000 And so if we want that, I think we have to get a fix.

01:03:10.000 On the border.

01:03:11.000 But you're right that that always gets caught up because we Democrats say we want a fix of the border, but we also want a path to citizenship and a place for asylum.

01:03:21.000 The Republicans say, no, we don't want that part.

01:03:23.000 You guys aren't serious about a border fix.

01:03:26.000 My view is maybe there's going to be, we had Biden, now we're going to have Trump.

01:03:29.000 I think he may overreach the other way, and maybe eventually we're going to get a path forward on this where 80% of Americans are.

01:03:36.000 Yeah, I really feel like a lot of Americans have shifted on this issue just because of how out of control it was the last four years.

01:03:42.000 I mean, I'll talk to people that are pretty moderate that are just like almost saying, hey, just close down everything.

01:03:47.000 Like, we need a five-year pause because this is out of control.

01:03:49.000 That was the worst border crisis in American history.

01:03:51.000 You have people that enter the country, they're unvetted, they just cruise on in, you know, and we have no clue who they are.

01:03:57.000 You end up with situations where Americans get murdered.

01:04:00.000 And that's why a lot of people are up in arms when they hear stuff like this, where it's like, oh, hey, the thing is, We don't want to enforce the laws, the position.

01:04:08.000 But we will enforce the law once somebody's inevitably murdered, and then we'll deport them, even though we're not actually going to deport them.

01:04:16.000 We're going to put them in jail, and then taxpayers have to pay for them to be in prison for the rest of their life. 0.99

01:04:21.000 It's fair to say that the past four years have really done a lot to, I guess, maybe radicalize the average American.

01:04:29.000 Because before...

01:04:31.000 Before the Biden administration, I don't think that 70% of Americans were okay with deporting.

01:04:37.000 Biden was winning by 15 points on immigration against Donald Trump in 2020. And we were losing by like 25 points.

01:04:45.000 And they absolutely annihilated the trust the American people have in the Democrats.

01:04:50.000 There's no reason for the American people to say, yes, we believe the Democrats are going to be responsible when it comes to the border.

01:04:57.000 Not just because of the fact that they have...

01:05:00.000 We rescinded all of Donald Trump's effective executive orders like remain in Mexico and...

01:05:07.000 Reinstating catch and release.

01:05:08.000 Exactly.

01:05:08.000 Those kind of things were looked at positively by the American people.

01:05:13.000 And now it's gotten to the point where, like I said, 70% of the American people are okay with things that would have been almost shocking to most people.

01:05:22.000 Ten years ago, the idea of rounding up people, the idea of deporting people like that, what used to be really, really...

01:05:28.000 Majority of Hispanic Americans as well.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, it used to be something that would make your average American blanch, and now they're like, build the wall and just go and round them up.

01:05:36.000 I'm down.

01:05:37.000 When you welcome 11 million people, that's what happens.

01:05:40.000 You don't have a choice.

01:05:41.000 We have to.

01:05:43.000 We have zero tolerance for illegal immigration because we have people who are good, that we want to come to this country, who want to raise families and go to school, who are trying desperately to apply the legal way. 0.87

01:05:53.000 And then what they end up seeing...

01:05:56.000 So I actually know people who are trying to flee Ukraine, for instance.

01:05:59.000 And they said, we can't get to the United States.

01:06:02.000 They won't let us in.

01:06:04.000 And they were like, should I... I literally said, should I just fly to Mexico?

01:06:07.000 Because they let everybody just walk in.

01:06:09.000 They ended up going to some Baltic countries and they ended up...

01:06:12.000 Fleeing in some other direction.

01:06:14.000 When you allow people, Chinese nationals, African, from African nations, fly to Brazil and then come up to the southern border, and then we as a country say, ah, but we have this person who's here illegally who's a good worker.

01:06:28.000 We're telling everybody who's trying to do the right thing that they don't matter.

01:06:33.000 But then we have to create pathways, in my view, for people to be able to do that legally.

01:06:37.000 I mean, what George W. Bush was trying to do.

01:06:39.000 He was saying that, you know, you can come here, you can work.

01:06:42.000 You could get paid a higher wage, not be exploited like some are, and abused on an H-1B or abused because of your immigration status.

01:06:53.000 And then many of those folks would go back.

01:06:56.000 I mean, look, there are a lot of people, obviously, who want to come to America for economic reasons.

01:07:01.000 Some of them are now coming illegally.

01:07:04.000 And there is a way to have folks come legally in a way that's going to benefit.

01:07:13.000 But you have to punish them, otherwise you send the message.

01:07:17.000 Well, let's take a look at the Bay Area specifically where, and correct me if I'm wrong, because you would know this better than me, but the story was that they were no longer enforcing shoplifting under a certain number.

01:07:28.000 $900, was it?

01:07:29.000 And then we saw a wave of closures of stores.

01:07:31.000 Walgreens just issued a statement saying we had to lock up.

01:07:34.000 All of our merchandise, which resulted in even worse sales and worse shrink.

01:07:39.000 I think that's changing.

01:07:42.000 We've had two new mayors come in, Matt Mahan in San Jose, Dan Lurie in San Francisco, and they both ran on common sense public safety.

01:07:49.000 But the point is, when you say, if you break the law, there's a tolerance we have for the crime, the crime skyrockets to the point where the city panics.

01:07:58.000 You get new politicians.

01:07:59.000 The corporations start shutting down.

01:08:01.000 That's no different for immigration.

01:08:02.000 If you say there's a certain degree of illegal immigration we will tolerate and protect, it's going to skyrocket.

01:08:08.000 And then you're going to get the Donald Trump backlash.

01:08:09.000 I imagine it's fair to say that there are probably a significantly fewer amount of people that decided to leave for the southern border today than there were six weeks ago.

01:08:21.000 So it sounded like...

01:08:22.000 During his speech today that Donald Trump might have used his emergency powers to declare an invasion.

01:08:28.000 And I think that that's the way that it would have to be to do the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, because that act says that we need to be either in war or in invasion, and then you can apprehend, restrain, secure, and remove the...

01:08:43.000 So we do have this, the way USA Today describes it, Trump to declare border emergency to, quote, repel forms of invasion.

01:08:51.000 Yes.

01:08:51.000 So I wonder if that's the right.

01:08:52.000 Yes.

01:08:53.000 So if that's the case, if he did declare an invasion, that still needs congressional affirmation.

01:08:58.000 So you guys would have to make a joint resolution or do something just regarding the Constitution, Article 4, Section 4, that he needs to have Congress to kind of back him up on this invasion.

01:09:08.000 He can declare it with his emergency powers, but it still needs the affirmation from Congress to say, Yes, but then I'm thinking of the AUMF, which is what they declared after 9-11.

01:09:20.000 Authorization of military force.

01:09:21.000 Exactly.

01:09:22.000 So I don't know if that comes into effect now because that's not constitutional, but I don't know if it comes into effect now because it's an invasion.

01:09:32.000 I'm not sure.

01:09:33.000 Do you know how that works?

01:09:35.000 I don't know all the details of the constitutional law.

01:09:39.000 My view on the secure border and why, if you have Democrats who aren't going to...

01:09:42.000 Support declaring it as an invasion is just that we do have a view that people who have legitimate asylum claims and legitimate claims should have a process.

01:09:51.000 But here's my problem.

01:09:52.000 I will concede that the Democrats did not do a good enough job in the border over the last four years.

01:10:00.000 It was hard to argue with those facts.

01:10:03.000 But what I dislike about what Trump is doing, and fine, you want to talk about securing the border and having a humane process?

01:10:11.000 Yes, we need to do that.

01:10:12.000 Let's find the balance.

01:10:13.000 But the fact that there are so many Americans in this country who have had opioid crisis, jobs leave, economic dislocation, no prosperity, declining wages, in my view, is not because of the southern border.

01:10:29.000 That is not the reason that that's happened.

01:10:31.000 That's happened because we outsourced our jobs to Mexico.

01:10:35.000 Because we outsourced our jobs to China, because we got a $1 trillion trade deficit, while China has a $1 trillion trade surplus.

01:10:43.000 And so just blaming the undocumented.

01:10:47.000 It's a separate point.

01:10:48.000 I feel like I hear you saying, get rid of the minimum wage and get rid of unions.

01:11:03.000 Would you not acknowledge that it's a total punch in the face after all of that that you just talked about right there?

01:11:08.000 Would you not acknowledge that unvetted mass migration is just an absolute punch in the face? 0.99

01:11:12.000 Look no further than 2020. You're shutting down businesses, people being out of work, all that stuff.

01:11:17.000 2021, what did they get rewarded with?

01:11:19.000 Just unvetted mass migration?

01:11:20.000 Free hotel rooms in New York City?

01:11:23.000 Gen Z can't afford a place to live and these illegal immigrants are given hotels in New York. 1.00

01:11:28.000 Do you see how it would be Yeah, I mean, this was the mistake of the left, that we thought globalization somehow was going to lead to this multiracial democracy and the world would all get along and four countries would come up.

01:11:44.000 And the reality is a lot of people got left out.

01:11:47.000 Income equality soared.

01:11:48.000 Towns were hollowed out.

01:11:50.000 Ordinary Americans felt left out and not feeling this.

01:11:54.000 And then you had this...

01:11:57.000 What you call a large amount of people coming in undocumented.

01:12:03.000 And people are saying enough.

01:12:07.000 And it was the wrong strategy.

01:12:09.000 If you have my goal, which is let's have what Frederick Douglass talked about, Martin Luther King talked about, a cohesive multiracial democracy.

01:12:18.000 This was the wrong way about going about it.

01:12:21.000 But the answer to that, I'm not saying there are not serious answers.

01:12:26.000 On crime, on gangs, but we can't tell people in Johnstown, Pennsylvania or Paintsville, Kentucky that if we fix the border that their kids are going to have the American dream.

01:12:37.000 That's lying to them.

01:12:39.000 You want to fix that area, you've got to figure out how are we going to invest in those communities?

01:12:42.000 But it's a contributing problem.

01:12:44.000 It's just like with the crime.

01:12:45.000 You're right that a lot of prosecutors are taking it seriously now that the American people have woken up to the soft on crime, the dangers of being soft on crime.

01:12:55.000 George Soros, though, just got the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

01:12:59.000 Like, the left, and I mean, I love hearing you talk with us because you're part of the left that I like, and I wish more Democrats thought like you did.

01:13:09.000 But the left, in the way that it pushes the elite's agendas, it brooks no dissent.

01:13:15.000 And then you have these groups, like the Center for American Progress and the ACLU, that, you know, they may do some good things.

01:13:22.000 They may have a decent perspective.

01:13:24.000 Their perspective is the only perspective.

01:13:26.000 And then they push it to the nth degree and you get a system that is welcoming.

01:13:32.000 I mean, in this past administration, we had Border Patrol agents told not to refer to illegal aliens as he or she until they knew their preferred pronouns.

01:13:42.000 That's what they were being told in the middle of a border crisis.

01:13:47.000 The worst border crisis in American history.

01:13:49.000 Exactly.

01:13:50.000 And so when...

01:13:52.000 With all respect, like, I talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center, which I think is the worst example of this, which, by the way, did really great work when it first started.

01:14:02.000 But then it started comparing mainstream conservatives and Christians to the Ku Klux Klan.

01:14:07.000 There was a supply to demand issue with them.

01:14:11.000 Do you condemn the Southern Poverty Law Center?

01:14:13.000 I don't know if I condemn comparing Christians to the... 1.00

01:14:19.000 Ku Klux Klan.

01:14:20.000 I mean, I condemn that.

01:14:22.000 And I think my party has to recognize that we have to respect people who may have different cultural, religious, social views as us, and that too many people in this country view the fact that we look down on them, that there's condescension.

01:14:38.000 And that's a big, big problem in the party.

01:14:41.000 That has to be fixed, and I think will be fixed.

01:14:43.000 But, you know, one thing that Trump shows, and I... I think it's such a dumb idea, in my view, to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. 0.89

01:14:54.000 But here's what I'll give Donald Trump. 0.98

01:14:56.000 He throws out a lot of ideas that some of them are really dumb, and he just keeps on saying, okay, I'm going to try something new. 0.96

01:15:03.000 And one of the things the American people want is just out-of-the-box thinking. 0.91

01:15:06.000 One of the things the Democrats have to get out of, which is what Bernie Sanders did, right?

01:15:11.000 He said, Medicare for all, or we're going to get there.

01:15:13.000 And the whole party said, oh, you can't do that.

01:15:15.000 That's it. 1.00

01:15:16.000 That's dumb. 0.99

01:15:17.000 That doesn't fit within our think tank, Washington Post editorial board opinion. 0.99

01:15:23.000 And I think the next generation of politicians have got to be willing to think outside the box, say things that could be a gift, say things that may be dumb. 0.88

01:15:33.000 FDR did a lot of things that were really dumb, but he got the New Deal, which I view as an extraordinary achievement. 0.91

01:15:38.000 But you've got to have a sense of not being just conventional cardboard. 0.94

01:15:44.000 And I do think that's been a problem in our party.

01:15:47.000 Do you think he was just poking fun at the president of Mexico, though?

01:15:49.000 And by the way, it is the Gulf of America, by the way.

01:15:53.000 He signed that order, didn't he? 0.99

01:15:55.000 To be fair, AOC says a lot of really stupid, out-of-the-box things. 1.00

01:16:00.000 Okay, there you go. 1.00

01:16:01.000 I don't want to go with the stupid part, but the out-of-the-box I'll give you. 0.98

01:16:05.000 But that's the bureaucratic group thing that you're talking about, is really the centerpiece of... 0.94

01:16:10.000 What I wrote this book about, because I think when you get that on one side that tends to have the media echo chamber, tends to have a lot of the elite institutions following it, edging out people who have alternative points of view, you often end up with really horrible policies on the ground.

01:16:29.000 And that's what I think we saw these past four years.

01:16:31.000 We saw the weaponization of law enforcement because the Biden administration brought the Southern Poverty Law Center in to educate people.

01:16:40.000 And on domestic terrorism, according to the SPLC president.

01:16:44.000 But you saw, you know, every radical idea that's being championed by people like George Soros was embraced by the bureaucracy, and the bureaucracy still tends to favor those ideas.

01:16:59.000 I grew up admiring the Southern Poverty Law Center.

01:17:01.000 I'll look into your points, but I just, you know, from my perspective, they did a lot of work on anti-poverty and work in the gym.

01:17:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:09.000 They've largely been ideologically captured over the last, what, decade or so?

01:17:14.000 Yes, and they did really great work when they started.

01:17:16.000 They did wonderful work when they started, but then once they did such good work, there's less of a need for them to be there, so they almost had to have people create.

01:17:28.000 and demand issue when it came to that yeah when it came to the when it came to the southern poverty law center and it's a lot like some politicians who run on run on problems that they want to fix but then if they fix them then they don't have a platform to run on anymore so the whole deal is getting it out there getting the word out there but never truly fixing it all the way that way they can continue to have their power and i think southern poverty law center might have kind of been in that whether they were ideologically captured or whether they they had malicious content i i don't know

01:17:55.000 my first book is all about that called making hate pay the corruption of the southern poverty law center i I can send you a copy.

01:18:01.000 Nonprofits in general, they can't go out of business.

01:18:04.000 They become addicted to their cause, and solving the cause would end them.

01:18:08.000 And so what I find is that smaller nonprofits do a great job.

01:18:11.000 There's somebody who actually cares about something, they want to raise money, and they do their job.

01:18:15.000 And then there are larger ones that claim they have a mission.

01:18:18.000 But the mission never stops.

01:18:20.000 No matter what happens, there's always some reason why the mission can't stop.

01:18:23.000 And I remember reading from...

01:18:25.000 I can't remember the guy's name.

01:18:27.000 Was it Patrick Moore?

01:18:28.000 One of the founders of Greenpeace.

01:18:30.000 And said that they started Greenpeace to target nuclear testing.

01:18:34.000 And then all of a sudden, they opposed nuclear energy, which was totally different.

01:18:38.000 And that actually could help offset carbon emissions.

01:18:41.000 And they became very much just generic environmentalism.

01:18:45.000 Because that was the brand and that's what signed up members that made money for the machine.

01:18:49.000 I don't question that some non-profits go too far and that there's bureaucracy.

01:18:56.000 But don't you think that there's something about like today's inauguration and I saw up on the platform, by the way, all these tech multi-billionaires from my district who were not Trump supporters in 2016 or 2020 or 2024 in the primary.

01:19:13.000 And I'm thinking, what about People who don't go into sort of starting companies and entrepreneurs, but are non-profits on the left or the right, or all the people who voted for Donald Trump who weren't actually in the room because they couldn't buy the $15,000, $20,000, or didn't contribute a million dollars to the inauguration.

01:19:34.000 Part of me is sort of like, the real problem in this country is not the kid who says, okay, I'm going to work for a non-profit the rest of my life.

01:19:41.000 How do we have all this outsized influence of wealth in this country in terms of the politics?

01:19:46.000 I think it's because it largely correlates with merit.

01:19:49.000 It doesn't always.

01:19:50.000 And, you know, I look at a lot of these...

01:19:52.000 There's a lot of people who...

01:19:53.000 I'll be nice and not name industries.

01:19:55.000 They contribute nothing and they extract from the labor of the American worker and become wealthy off of that. 0.68

01:20:00.000 And they use that influence to maintain that influence and that wealth. 0.99

01:20:03.000 And that sucks.

01:20:06.000 But there's a direct correlation between being wealthy and... 0.97

01:20:10.000 And merit.

01:20:10.000 That's why they say wealth lasts only three generations.

01:20:13.000 It's not absolutely true, but it tends to be because the grandkids of a wealthy individual don't know what it takes to build the machine and maintain it.

01:20:21.000 So, I logically agree.

01:20:22.000 Without thinking too much, who would you say are the three greatest Americans?

01:20:26.000 Oh, wow.

01:20:27.000 Currently or in history?

01:20:28.000 My guess is you wouldn't name the three wealthiest, in my point.

01:20:31.000 The people we admire the most are people who scale the cliffs of Normandy or Martin Luther King.

01:20:37.000 I'm not saying that there's not...

01:20:38.000 Of all time.

01:20:39.000 I'm not saying that there is not some correlation between wealth and merit.

01:20:43.000 And I'm not one of those people who says we shouldn't reward excellence or that people who build things aren't incredible.

01:20:48.000 A lot of the entrepreneurs are sacrificed.

01:20:50.000 But there's a higher thing, higher calling in America to wealth.

01:20:55.000 There's a sense of our allegiance to the Constitution, to these ideals.

01:21:01.000 And those are the Americans we usually admire.

01:21:02.000 And there's multiple forms of what we refer to as capital.

01:21:06.000 So there could be an individual.

01:21:09.000 Who's worth billions of dollars, but for the life of them, they can make crackers, but they don't know how to buy politicians. 0.98

01:21:14.000 And then there can be some guy who's got a podcast with millions of followers who doesn't know how to sell ads, but can convince a million people to bombard a senator with emails and letters that changes policy.

01:21:26.000 When I see that room today, I mean, you know, I interview thousands.

01:21:30.000 Last year, I probably interviewed like thousands of people, right?

01:21:33.000 And I interview all different types of people, rich people, people that are in inner city, whatever it may be.

01:21:38.000 And a lot of people, it doesn't matter if they're left or right, a lot of people look at Donald Trump and they're just like, what do they always say?

01:21:43.000 What's something that they like about him?

01:21:46.000 They like that he's an entrepreneur.

01:21:47.000 They like that he's a businessman.

01:21:49.000 And so I would say that mixed in with his policies and his stances makes people feel as though he's looking after them more.

01:21:56.000 Look no further than the unions having...

01:21:58.000 Massive support for Donald Trump.

01:22:00.000 A lot of the American, you know, the working class Americans see Donald Trump and his positions as more of looking after them.

01:22:08.000 And so, you know, I guess to Tim's point, yeah, you can have a lot of billionaires in there, and perhaps those people aren't relatable, but the movement is.

01:22:19.000 More so than what we're seeing from the left.

01:22:20.000 I think that's just what I hear from a lot of people on the street.

01:22:23.000 It's one of the most common things I hear.

01:22:24.000 We do have some relatively breaking news from the last hour.

01:22:27.000 I want to jump on this one.

01:22:27.000 This is from NPR. Trump signs executive order to pause TikTok ban, provide immunity to tech firms.

01:22:35.000 I will say, as of right now, Google Play has still banned the TikTok app, so you can't download it.

01:22:40.000 The app is still available.

01:22:42.000 NPR reports, President Trump signed an executive order Monday seeking to hit pause on the law banning TikTok and provide a liability shield to business partners on the popular video app.

01:22:52.000 According to the order, the law will be paused for 75 days and companies that work with TikTok will not be liable for doing so.

01:22:59.000 Off, right off the bat, I don't believe that the president has the authority to do that.

01:23:04.000 No, it's illegal.

01:23:05.000 Yeah.

01:23:07.000 Simply declaring that there will be no liability for third parties in violation of the law, I don't think he can do that.

01:23:12.000 I believe he can instruct law enforcement not to seek restitution, but that liability will be on the books.

01:23:19.000 Aside from that, I'm curious, Congressman, what your thoughts are on the TikTok ban and if you support or oppose it.

01:23:23.000 I oppose the ban.

01:23:24.000 I've actually been going viral on TikTok.

01:23:26.000 It's 1.4 million petition signatures in 48 hours to oppose this ban.

01:23:33.000 I give President Trump...

01:23:34.000 Credit for this.

01:23:35.000 I mean, the real threat that China poses is a $1 trillion trade surplus they have compared to our trade deficit. 0.66

01:23:43.000 They've taken a lot of our jobs.

01:23:44.000 They're building more steel.

01:23:45.000 They're building more ships.

01:23:46.000 And so there are ways of protecting data without suppressing the speech.

01:23:51.000 We're talking about being groupthink.

01:23:53.000 I mean, TikTok has a lot of unconventional opinions on the left and the right.

01:23:57.000 I was calling for President Biden to do this pause.

01:24:00.000 I'm glad that Trump has.

01:24:04.000 With 170 million users in the United States, if TikTok decides to push an algorithm that creates a 51% weight towards supporting China taking our jobs, that's going to affect an entire generation where they're going to vote on behalf of Chinese interests.

01:24:19.000 Well, I'm opposed to, we can have a law that says you go to jail if you're an executive of a company here and there's any evidence, a shred of evidence of algorithmic interference by the CCP or a foreign adversary.

01:24:32.000 Or if you're any company, data brokers or social media, and you sell or transfer any of Americans' data to the CCP.

01:24:39.000 But I think singling out TikTok with 170 million people, It was a mistake.

01:24:46.000 And I also think, I have a lot of confidence.

01:24:48.000 People say, well, China bans the apps.

01:24:50.000 Yeah, I'd rather that they have our apps in there.

01:24:52.000 And Elon just tweeted out about, why can't you get X into China?

01:24:56.000 Let's get Facebook into China. 0.97

01:24:58.000 Let's not have TikTok banned in China.

01:25:01.000 But you know what?

01:25:01.000 We're better than China in terms of our political system.

01:25:04.000 And I think I have a lot of confidence in the wisdom of the American people.

01:25:08.000 This is why I tell my own party that, you know, let's spend as much time figuring out why people were drawn to Trump as criticizing Trump.

01:25:16.000 Like, there's a wisdom in the American people, even if they don't always get it right.

01:25:19.000 And I trust the free speech of this country to get the right solutions.

01:25:24.000 Does the CCP not have an influence over the algorithm, though?

01:25:28.000 And do we have anything to do with that influence at all?

01:25:32.000 Like, how would we figure out if they are influencing it?

01:25:34.000 How would we even investigate that?

01:25:35.000 It's a foreign country. 1.00

01:25:36.000 Well, it's a domestic subsidiary.

01:25:38.000 We could have the subpoena, the CEO. We could have a law that says you need to ensure that the TikTok operational in the United States is not going to have any connection to the CCP. I will say that's impossible.

01:25:50.000 Well, I mean, that's basically what this bill is, to be honest.

01:25:53.000 No, but this bill is saying...

01:25:54.000 Forcing divestiture.

01:25:55.000 Forcing divestiture, and there's no evidence in the public record, because everyone is saying they can go on the public record, there's no evidence that the CCP has either gotten a significant amount of American data, or that the CCP is telling TikTok, hey, let's make sure that there's suppression of Tibet or the Uyghurs.

01:26:17.000 There is evidence of that.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 The Axios report, which kicked this off, we talked about this the other day, was that shortly after October 7th, with 123,000 posts...

01:26:28.000 Stand with Palestine, there were only 11 million views, but within the span of only a few days, it jumped to 285 million views with 87,000 posts.

01:26:37.000 A lesser amount of posts, some 26 times the amount of views, was indicative of an algorithmic change to promote pro-Palestine content.

01:26:43.000 But there were also a lot of young people who were pro-Palestine in this country.

01:26:46.000 Except when October 7th happened, and there were 123,000 posts, nobody cared to watch it.

01:26:52.000 It was only getting 11 million views.

01:26:53.000 So, in my experience with social media, having worked in this industry and built a company based around this, We, you know, I can look at an influencer and I can tell you if they're botting and if it's fake.

01:27:04.000 I, along with many others, saw that data and instantly said, oh, that looks like an algorithm switch intentionally done by TikTok.

01:27:10.000 Now, I'm not saying pro-Palestine, pro-Israel.

01:27:13.000 That's not the point I'm making.

01:27:15.000 I'm just saying that it looks like, as it pertains to a major component of U.S. foreign policy, TikTok made a decision.

01:27:20.000 Well, and TikTok has also been promoting the sorts of causes that divide Americans more and that tend to enrich China.

01:27:29.000 And beyond that, just the division is often the point of foreign countries meddling in the United States.

01:27:38.000 Having the United States being divided and bickering with each other is good for China, it's good for Russia, it's good for our international rivals, whereas having the United States generally on the same page...

01:27:50.000 Sure, but I'm not sure TikTok is doing it more than X in terms of the division.

01:27:55.000 But we have recourse against X. And American companies, we can sue, we can subpoena, we can FOIA. And we have recourse against TikTok.

01:28:02.000 They were doing the Texas project where they were keeping the data.

01:28:06.000 And my sense is if Trump has a resolution to this, he's going to insist on enough American ownership.

01:28:13.000 It's already 60% American investors.

01:28:15.000 And he's going to insist on some mechanism that if there is evidence or any sense of suspicion that there is algorithmic interference from the Chinese party, that those folks could have criminal.

01:28:26.000 So long as China has the ultimate authority over ByteDance and can claim any data that we don't have, the buck doesn't stop with us, it stops with them. 0.76

01:28:36.000 Yeah, I don't think the storage really has any influence in that, does it?

01:28:39.000 It's a completely separate thing from the algorithm, isn't it?

01:28:42.000 I mean, Oracle doesn't call us shots on the...

01:28:45.000 Algorithmic changes.

01:28:46.000 No, there are two different issues.

01:28:48.000 One is the concern about data.

01:28:49.000 That, I think, can be managed with text.

01:28:52.000 Easier, it seems.

01:28:54.000 And the other is on the algorithmic interference, which is to say that you have to...

01:28:58.000 you can have an affidavit for TikTok folks to say that their algorithm going forward is not going to have any changes recommended by anyone in the Chinese Communist Party.

01:29:09.000 But then they could just do bad things outside of the Chinese Communist Party.

01:29:13.000 Yeah, just trust them as far as you can throw them at that point.

01:29:15.000 A lot of them are Americans or not.

01:29:17.000 It's not like Chinese Communist officials are running TikTok.

01:29:22.000 I mean, the guy's a Singaporean.

01:29:24.000 No, but don't they have complete access to it if they want to?

01:29:27.000 So if they want to snap their fingers and say, I have access to this algorithm, they do.

01:29:30.000 And they're required under the law in China to provide the data for their use.

01:29:35.000 Right.

01:29:35.000 But they don't have the ability to demand a change in the algorithm.

01:29:41.000 And if the U.S. made it a conditional that it's a crime here, then TikTok would have to shut down.

01:29:46.000 What's your evidence that they don't have that authority?

01:29:50.000 Or if they do, we can make it criminal for a U.S. executive to submit to the...

01:29:59.000 I just don't understand in any capacity why we are saying, yes, China can have a mass media operation to 170 million people in the U.S. There's no argument for it.

01:30:13.000 But I don't think it's Chinese control.

01:30:16.000 I think you've got 60% of it.

01:30:19.000 China owns a mass media operation in the United States to 170 million people.

01:30:24.000 The fact that I can get a congressman or another prominent personality to defend Chinese interests in the United States terrifies me.

01:30:30.000 I feel like any member of Congress should be like, yeah, China shouldn't own a mass media in the United States. 0.98

01:30:35.000 There's no argument for it.

01:30:36.000 I imagine when the Soviet Union still existed and if they owned a...

01:30:42.000 A broadcast network.

01:30:43.000 I mean, right now...

01:30:44.000 RT! Yeah, RT is banned.

01:30:46.000 I believe there's an Iranian network that's banned.

01:30:49.000 So I don't think that the TikTok ban is that much of a different...

01:30:57.000 I think the difference is it's a U.S. subsidiary, and if there was actually evidence that you pass a law saying if there's criminal liability, if there is interference by the Chinese party.

01:31:11.000 Now, you may put TikTok in a situation that they have to shut down.

01:31:15.000 The Chinese Communist Party is demanding to do something and the executives are facing criminal penalties in the United States.

01:31:20.000 But I think we went to the solution of shutting it down.

01:31:25.000 And I think a lot of people view it as, well, they're shutting it down because we're saying things on the app, whether it's on Palestine or whether it's anti-vaccine or whether it's speech that the establishment doesn't like.

01:31:37.000 I mean, Donald Trump is very popular on that app.

01:31:39.000 He was more popular than Kamala Harris.

01:31:40.000 Only recently and only after he said he wanted to ban the app because it was biased and censorious.

01:31:47.000 And we were on TikTok to tens of thousands of followers, two accounts, my personal one and the show, and we largely agreed.

01:31:53.000 There's no argument for China to own any piece of mass media, no matter how big or small. 0.80

01:31:58.000 We have to have mass media in our national interest.

01:32:00.000 They banned us arbitrarily for breaking no rules.

01:32:02.000 This clearly shows, in my opinion, that if you speak out against their interests, they will kick you off the platform.

01:32:08.000 They kicked you off?

01:32:09.000 I didn't know that.

01:32:09.000 They absolutely did.

01:32:10.000 And no recourse.

01:32:11.000 And there's no path by which we can say, "Hey, we're a fairly moderate show.

01:32:15.000 We don't do anything crazy.

01:32:16.000 We sit down with people and we have conversations like this." No, you shouldn't be on.

01:32:20.000 I mean, I'm happy to push.

01:32:22.000 I mean, you shouldn't be censored from that platform.

01:32:24.000 Well, the issue is we have researchers pointing out that in the app, for instance, they inject Java to keylog when you open links through the app.

01:32:35.000 I should say the reporting states, maybe it's wrong, that they inject a keylogger.

01:32:40.000 That means if...

01:32:41.000 The evidence that we have of data collection means the only way I can really use that app is if I buy a brand new phone and do nothing with it, which is why we largely don't want to go near it.

01:32:51.000 Now, we do know that American apps have CIA interests and things like that.

01:32:54.000 But hey, if the CIA stole my info, I could FOIA request some of these things.

01:32:59.000 A journalist could go after it.

01:33:00.000 We could file lawsuits.

01:33:01.000 I don't have that recourse with China. 0.93

01:33:03.000 I think that the issue is never the issue.

01:33:06.000 I think that...

01:33:08.000 The U.S. government doesn't like competition in collecting Americans' data.

01:33:13.000 And I think that if it was really about spying, Chinese spying, you had Eric Swalwell, who was sleeping with a spy.

01:33:24.000 You had Diane Feinstein, who had a Chinese spy driver for 20 years.

01:33:28.000 You had Janet Yellen.

01:33:30.000 I'm just saying, they're targeting certain people.

01:33:33.000 You had Janet Yellen, who just had her computer hacked by the Chinese. 1.00

01:33:37.000 You know, then we have the open border with the Chinese nationals coming through there.

01:33:40.000 We found there was largely a lot of Chinese nationals, but that wasn't a problem.

01:33:44.000 But TikTok, this whole ban stuff was happening under Joe Biden with the open border.

01:33:47.000 Well, China is coming over the border and God knows who. 0.99

01:33:50.000 But I think that the issue is never quite the issue, but it opens up the door for your issue, for your issue, for your issue.

01:33:58.000 The issue is clearly Israel. 0.70

01:34:00.000 The Democrats did not want to ban this until after October 7th, and we have this story from Axios, which we highlight all the time.

01:34:06.000 It appears that there was an intentional change, and maybe it's not, but it appears, either because the algorithm does change or because someone changed it, it appears the algorithm changed to massively promote pro-Palestine content.

01:34:18.000 Now, I am not saying, one way or the other, pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, I am saying that as soon as this happened, American foreign policy interests...

01:34:31.000 I actually agree.

01:34:32.000 Mitt Romney and Tony Blinken had a conversation where Romney basically says what you're saying.

01:34:37.000 Exactly.

01:34:37.000 It was the threat to...

01:34:39.000 The fear among both parties was that young people were being indoctrinated through trickery into opposing Israel.

01:34:46.000 By all means, you're allowed to hate Israel. 0.96

01:34:48.000 I'm not saying otherwise.

01:34:49.000 I'm just saying...

01:34:50.000 So you can argue...

01:34:52.000 Their concern was protecting Israel, not stopping manipulation, but it was this action that triggered it.

01:34:57.000 So you had said the Democrats weren't on board until...

01:35:00.000 They were not.

01:35:01.000 Okay, so are the Democrats largely pro-Israel?

01:35:04.000 What do you mean?

01:35:05.000 So you said the Democrats weren't on board...

01:35:07.000 The Democrats are largely pro-Israel, yes.

01:35:08.000 Okay, yes, I didn't know that.

01:35:09.000 So can I ask something without maybe risking canceling myself?

01:35:14.000 Did Jonathan Greenblatt really say we have a TikTok problem?

01:35:18.000 I... I don't know if you said that specifically, but I'm pretty sure the ADL very much was posting saying TikTok is a problem.

01:35:23.000 And this was the core reason.

01:35:25.000 And there were pro-Israel groups and pro-Jewish groups that were lobbying TikTok saying there's a lot of anti-Semitic content.

01:35:32.000 So the issue largely comes down in this area with there's a lot of people who just hate Israel and hate Jews.

01:35:39.000 And of course, they latch on to this and they say they're only banning TikTok to protect Jews or whatever.

01:35:43.000 And I'm like, make any argument you want.

01:35:44.000 The reality is...

01:35:45.000 Donald Trump, in 2020, signed an executive order to ban TikTok.

01:35:49.000 The concern was that TikTok was heavily biased against conservatives.

01:35:52.000 People were getting banned like crazy.

01:35:54.000 If you had even the slightest moderate opinion, they would delete the content, ban you.

01:35:59.000 What do you think made him change his mind, other than he's now popular?

01:36:03.000 That's it.

01:36:04.000 I think, well, there's a few things.

01:36:05.000 Kellyanne Conway, I believe it's reported she's been lobbying on behalf of TikTok.

01:36:08.000 They got a powerful right-wing billionaire as an investor.

01:36:11.000 I could be wrong.

01:36:12.000 Is it Jeff Yass?

01:36:13.000 Am I wrong about that?

01:36:14.000 They do have, yeah.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, a lot of prominent conservatives have been hired to lobby on behalf of TikTok.

01:36:21.000 There's a couple reasons I see for it.

01:36:22.000 One, obviously getting a paycheck will sway a lot of people's motivations.

01:36:25.000 I do see this masterful manipulative move that was just played where TikTok pretended to shut down and then pretended Trump brought him back.

01:36:33.000 That's not what happened.

01:36:34.000 The ban, as of right now, we checked.

01:36:37.000 In the Google Play Store, it says, looking for TikTok, downloads are paused.

01:36:40.000 It's not back, even with Trump's executive order.

01:36:42.000 What about an Apple?

01:36:44.000 I believe it's still gone, but I don't have an Apple.

01:36:46.000 Is that a separate issue, though, whether or not Apple wants to bring it back?

01:36:50.000 Is that separate of TikTok coming back?

01:36:53.000 So, TikTok was never obligated to shut down their service.

01:36:57.000 Is it gone?

01:36:59.000 They decided they would shut down in protest, and the rumor was they wanted to shock 170 million Americans.

01:37:07.000 And so they shut down with a message saying, due to U.S. law, we're shutting down, but hopefully Trump can save us.

01:37:12.000 And then I think within a matter of hours, by the next day or whatever, they said, yay, Trump saved us, but Trump hadn't actually done anything.

01:37:20.000 So why Trump may be advocating for TikTok now is, that move resulted in people like James Charles with 30-some-odd million followers saying begrudgingly, am I MAGA now?

01:37:32.000 Trump just saved TikTok?

01:37:33.000 Oh, heavens me.

01:37:34.000 It was masterful manipulation.

01:37:38.000 I agree with that.

01:37:42.000 Perhaps Trump then later on says, my executive order didn't do anything anyway and we don't like TikTok.

01:37:47.000 Perhaps he forces some kind of co-American investment so American interests are monitoring at the same time.

01:37:52.000 But I think the lobbying played a role, the American interest investors played a role, and I think that they're all largely wrong, though I will acknowledge the masterful PR stunt that TikTok did was masterfully pulled off and hugely beneficial to Donald Trump.

01:38:08.000 I also think that people like Jake Paul and all those other influencers that he was doing shows with, I think that they actually had an impact on Donald Trump as well, to be honest with you.

01:38:16.000 And Donald Trump had come out and he said that he wanted a little bit of government into like maybe the solution is adding a little bit of government.

01:38:23.000 No, that is not the solution.

01:38:25.000 Imagine what happens.

01:38:27.000 We thought it was bad enough that you had federal feds in the Slack. 0.78

01:38:32.000 Right.

01:38:33.000 Or the Biden administration reaching out to big tech saying, we don't like this.

01:38:36.000 We want this banned.

01:38:37.000 We want this removed to be at Trump or whoever else you're mad at for doing these things.

01:38:40.000 Imagine if the government owned outright a piece of social media.

01:38:44.000 There's two ways to see it.

01:38:46.000 The first is they will surreptitiously be censoring Americans without them knowing.

01:38:50.000 However, government ownership of any degree does put the First Amendment in play and make guarantee-free, especially on the platform.

01:38:57.000 If Donald Trump successfully gets TikTok with U.S. ownership, like, directly under the government, I don't know how I feel about that.

01:39:06.000 It goes against his executive order that he just signed or is going to sign.

01:39:10.000 That was not his proposition.

01:39:11.000 It says, I'm going to take...

01:39:13.000 He's saying U.S. investors would own it.

01:39:15.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 Right.

01:39:16.000 And I do think it's fair to say that there should be enough U.S. control that you should have some redress if you're getting kicked off the platform, like you would on Axe or Facebook or any other social media platform.

01:39:29.000 And so, you know, hopefully there's a resolution here that gets it in a better place.

01:39:33.000 I think they'd have to open source.

01:39:35.000 If China wants to remain involved, the algorithm must be open source and viewable by anybody, and there has to be direct recourse for censorship.

01:39:43.000 Would you have transparency for...

01:39:45.000 American companies, though?

01:39:46.000 Facebook, Instagram?

01:39:47.000 No.

01:39:47.000 So I think the companies should be, but I think as the law prescribes a foreign entity operating mass media, there's going to be certain limitations on that.

01:39:55.000 I think, you know, we can look at Facebook X, YouTube, and say they're heavily biased, and they have been for a long time.

01:40:01.000 They've censored a variety of ideas.

01:40:03.000 And there are problems with government involvement, as Trump just signed this executive order, and we've had leaked documents, we've had the Twitter files, etc.

01:40:09.000 It should be that Americans are allowed to argue with each other.

01:40:12.000 If an American starts a company and says, this is my view and how I want to moderate so long as they're violating Section 230, I say, okay, fine. 0.99

01:40:19.000 But we will challenge you because we want to make sure you're abiding by the law.

01:40:22.000 If a foreign country, especially an adversary, wants to operate mass media in the United States, I say, you've got to be completely transparent.

01:40:29.000 We get to see your code because we don't trust you.

01:40:32.000 Americans trying to sway Americans and playing political games is what Americans do.

01:40:36.000 China doing it to us is an act of war.

01:40:39.000 Yeah.

01:40:40.000 I mean, look, I think that there has to be some safeguard against Chinese manipulation of the algorithm.

01:40:45.000 I'm not going to argue that China should be allowed to do that on mass media.

01:40:50.000 I mean, it's one thing if they have a newspaper or some publication, but on mass media, you can't have that kind of manipulation.

01:40:56.000 The question is, can you structure this in a way that can achieve that without shutting down the app?

01:41:02.000 And I think you can, and I think the law was overbought.

01:41:05.000 I mean, they rushed to do this.

01:41:06.000 They rushed to do it partly because of what you're saying.

01:41:09.000 What was happening with the algorithmic amplification of pro-Palestinian voices?

01:41:16.000 And again, I support the US-Israel relationship, but I think that was part of the motivation.

01:41:24.000 Well, if China has this impact and can push back, I think the US government had to move quickly if they were going to do this at all.

01:41:34.000 Because what we're already seeing, if our discussion is illustrative of anything, is that China is working both sides and trying to prevent this in any way that they can.

01:41:47.000 Trump came into office and made waves because he said the United States is not going to be taken advantage of.

01:41:56.000 One of the things we constantly saw under both Republican and Democratic administrations in the past was that the Yeah.

01:42:15.000 Yeah.

01:42:16.000 instrument that, you know, you want something a little more tweaky and specific, which I appreciate.

01:42:23.000 But sometimes you have to just go full bore, otherwise you're going to be taken advantage I think Trump got the politics on this right compared to our party.

01:42:32.000 Our party said...

01:42:33.000 No to the tariffs, basically.

01:42:35.000 We were running ads saying no tariffs in Pennsylvania.

01:42:38.000 It's going to raise your taxes.

01:42:39.000 And that was telling all these auto workers and steel workers that we were basically fine with the jobs going to China.

01:42:45.000 I'm not saying that there isn't an argument against blanket tariffs, but basically we're against tariffs, and we were for banning this app.

01:42:54.000 Trump was like...

01:42:55.000 Most people like this app.

01:42:56.000 I'll be for the app.

01:42:57.000 And most people don't want their jobs going.

01:43:00.000 I'll be for tariffs. 1.00

01:43:02.000 So he got the politics right on it, in my view.

01:43:04.000 Let me ask you one more.

01:43:05.000 We're going to go to Super Chats in a second, but just one last question to clarify.

01:43:08.000 Do you believe that Trump does have the legal authority to pause this law?

01:43:12.000 I think he believes he does.

01:43:13.000 So what he is doing, in my view, I have to look at it, is you can find that TikTok is in compliance with making a good faith effort to resolve the issue on divesture.

01:43:26.000 And then the way divesture is defined is very technical, right?

01:43:30.000 It doesn't mean it has to be a U.S. interest.

01:43:32.000 How do you define it?

01:43:33.000 So I think what Trump is going to do is he's going to find basically TikTok in compliance.

01:43:37.000 But the penalty is not for TikTok.

01:43:40.000 It's for Amazon, Google, Apple, Oracle, etc.

01:43:42.000 Right, but not if there's a pause, then...

01:43:45.000 And if TikTok is in compliance, then the penalties don't apply.

01:43:50.000 Now, you could have a lawsuit.

01:43:52.000 Saying that Donald Trump has found it in compliance in violation of the law.

01:43:57.000 Like, Congress has set certain standards and Trump is just finding it in compliance.

01:44:01.000 And my guess is Google and Apple may be cautious.

01:44:04.000 They may think, yeah, Trump's going to find it in compliance, but it's not really in compliance.

01:44:07.000 And then the other small technicality is the ban actually took place and Trump is there a day later.

01:44:12.000 So it would have had to have happened a day before.

01:44:15.000 But courts may defer to him.

01:44:16.000 I think there's two big things at play with these tech companies.

01:44:19.000 One is the disclosure.

01:44:20.000 They're publicly traded companies.

01:44:22.000 So if they choose to act in violation of the law simply because of an executive order, that's a risk they'll have to disclose.

01:44:28.000 And then there's also their insurance companies, which may not allow them to take any action regardless of executive authority.

01:44:34.000 So that's why I think right now Google, has Apple reinstated it?

01:44:38.000 They have not, have they?

01:44:38.000 No, they haven't.

01:44:39.000 And neither has Google.

01:44:40.000 And I think it's largely because they don't want to issue a declaration to their shareholders that we've decided to violate the TikTok ban because Trump said it'll be fine for a couple months.

01:44:48.000 And I think their insurance companies told them, hey, if you decide to break the law, regardless of what Trump said, we're not going to insure you because that's risk on us.

01:44:55.000 Then you've got reinsurers.

01:44:56.000 And I'm willing to bet that Google and Facebook, Apple, they've probably got like 300 different insurance companies across the board.

01:45:01.000 But let's go to Super Chats.

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01:45:11.000 We're not going to have the members-only show tonight because it's inauguration night and there's too much going on, but we did film a behind-the-scenes Green Room episode.

01:45:18.000 So if you want to see us hanging out behind the scenes talking about health, where we think all this stuff is going, I think we recorded for about a half an hour of behind-the-scenes conversation on a variety of issues.

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01:45:32.000 But let's read some of your Super Chats. 0.87

01:45:34.000 We have this one from Just Cause I'm Free.

01:45:36.000 He says, To echo a post of Rose from June 2021. Well, I'm not an oppositionist just for opposition.

01:45:56.000 I wouldn't have shown up to the inauguration.

01:45:59.000 And as my comments over the last hour and a half have said, there's places I've agreed with Trump, like the TikTok ban.

01:46:05.000 So I'm going to try to call balls and strikes.

01:46:08.000 Now, I'm a proud progressive Democrat.

01:46:09.000 I supported Bernie Sanders.

01:46:11.000 I don't hide where my politics are.

01:46:14.000 But if there's a good idea, I'm going to be for it or an idea I agree with.

01:46:18.000 And I'm also certainly not going to try to demonize people on the other side.

01:46:22.000 Perfect.

01:46:23.000 Das Rouse asks, how does Roe justify the pullout of Afghanistan?

01:46:27.000 We own the night was the U.S. motto.

01:46:29.000 Now they have night vision capabilities or they sell them, which they have done, to enemies of the U.S. Well, I was opposed to this idea of an endless war in Afghanistan.

01:46:37.000 I think we had to get out.

01:46:39.000 Could we have gotten out in a way that was better planned and where 13 of our Marines didn't die?

01:46:47.000 Yes, and that needs to be looked at, but I give President Biden courage for doing something that he knew was going to be politically risky and politically unpopular.

01:46:56.000 That's why presidents don't pull out of these wars, because usually when you pull out of these wars, things sometimes go wrong, and you get the blame.

01:47:04.000 Sorry to interrupt.

01:47:05.000 Couldn't he have avoided that disaster by just using Bagram Air Base, which is much, much, much bigger compared to Kabul Airport?

01:47:15.000 Sure, but I think the miscalculation in the administration was that the administration thought that the government was going to be stronger and last longer and that they were going to have more time.

01:47:27.000 It was a miscalculation.

01:47:28.000 But my sense is these things, look, when you look at how we withdrew out of Vietnam under Gerald Ford, I mean, there were people who were, it was a mess.

01:47:37.000 There were Americans who were dying.

01:47:38.000 There were people we left stranded.

01:47:40.000 I'm not defending the process.

01:47:42.000 I'm just saying it's a tough call for a president.

01:47:45.000 The easiest thing to do as a president is just let it be.

01:47:48.000 I give Trump credit when he called for originally getting out of Afghanistan. 0.95

01:47:53.000 I give Biden credit for actually pulling out, though I acknowledge that the actual evacuation had mistakes, and we've got to learn from it.

01:48:00.000 Do you know about the Cheney Crow amendment?

01:48:05.000 I don't remember the details, but I remember when it came up.

01:48:08.000 What did it say?

01:48:08.000 The Cheney-Crowe amendment blocked Donald Trump from pulling out of Afghanistan.

01:48:13.000 I voted against it.

01:48:14.000 Yes.

01:48:14.000 I voted against that amendment.

01:48:17.000 So he had a plan to pull out.

01:48:20.000 He was ready to end the war.

01:48:21.000 He had actually closed a huge base down.

01:48:23.000 I think the second biggest one he'd already closed.

01:48:24.000 He was ready to pull out.

01:48:25.000 And Elizabeth Cheney and Jason Crowe blocked him.

01:48:28.000 You can look that up.

01:48:29.000 Glenn Greenwald wrote an article about it.

01:48:32.000 Nolan Buss says, Trump pulled us out of the World Health Organization.

01:48:34.000 That was breaking news earlier.

01:48:35.000 We didn't quite get to it, but I'm curious what you guys think.

01:48:38.000 We're out of the World Health Organization.

01:48:39.000 Is that bad?

01:48:40.000 That's amazing.

01:48:40.000 Thank God.

01:48:41.000 That's amazing.

01:48:41.000 They were trying to leverage legislation that would essentially abolish, like, let them into control our states and that sort of thing.

01:48:54.000 And that was getting really hazy and kind of violating the Tenth Amendment.

01:49:00.000 Here's my disagreement.

01:49:01.000 There are two countries that are going to be competing for who leads the 21st century, us and China.

01:49:07.000 And given all our imperfections in our democracy, our commitment to freedom, human rights, democracy, free enterprise, is far, far better than China's system. 0.98

01:49:20.000 And when we withdraw from international organizations, we basically are saying, China, why don't you take it over and why don't you build more alliances?

01:49:28.000 And I'd rather America be the leader of the free world than ceding these to China. 0.90

01:49:33.000 Now, if we want to push for reform, fine, but withdrawal, I don't think, is in our interest.

01:49:38.000 Well, the difficulty is the strongest way to push for reform is to withdraw, because these agencies want the United States there.

01:49:47.000 They get a lot of United States funding.

01:49:50.000 Most of the global organizations are reliant on us to one degree or another.

01:49:55.000 So by withdrawing, Trump sends a message that we don't trust you.

01:50:01.000 And I think the WHO is one of the key organizations that really needs to hear that message.

01:50:06.000 After what they did during COVID, after what they're doing, they're pushing.

01:50:09.000 know this may be an issue you and I disagree on, but gender ideology... 0.82

01:50:16.000 is the biggest scandal in healthcare right now because we have doctors who are pushing in the name of public health and in the name of setting someone's head right pushing people to change their bodies physically that can't be reversed and then when people like Chloe Cole come out and say oh I was abused.

01:50:35.000 I was led down this path.

01:50:37.000 I harmed myself.

01:50:38.000 And now we have to prevent this from happening to other people.

01:50:41.000 They're being brushed aside.

01:50:43.000 I think it's fair to say that the United States membership to any type of organization or any kind of treaty, it has to be that what the organization is doing is something that the American people agrees with and finds...

01:50:58.000 At least reasonable.

01:51:00.000 And when you're talking about the type of transition surgeries or transition surgeries, I say with air quotes, I think those are extremely unpopular with most Americans.

01:51:10.000 I think that most Americans reject the concept of the idea that you can go from being a man to a woman.

01:51:17.000 It's one thing to say you want to live your life as something and you ask people to accept that and say, would you please use the...

01:51:24.000 These pronouns that I prefer, it's totally different to demand that people believe what you believe.

01:51:30.000 And that's something that the World Health Organization has been essentially doing.

01:51:35.000 And so I think that it's perfectly reasonable for the U.S. to pull out of organizations that we as a nation disagree with, whether it be the World Health Organization or any other international organization out there, even up to and including the U.N. and NATO. If their policies don't align with what's best for the United States, I think it's reasonable for the American people to say, we want out.

01:51:58.000 I do believe in basic transgender rights and treating people with dignity, and we just disagree on that.

01:52:06.000 But I also believe that we need to have these conversations, difficult conversations.

01:52:10.000 I went on Megyn Kelly's podcast for a half hour where she was telling me why my position was wrong.

01:52:16.000 And I was trying to say where I was coming from with people.

01:52:21.000 But I don't think either way that that's, in my opinion, reason to pull out of an organization.

01:52:26.000 I get that if there is something so, so offensive to the United States, and maybe for some people it is, I doubt that...

01:52:34.000 I would be surprised if there was a majority of Americans who on just that issue wanted to pull out.

01:52:39.000 How would you define transgender rights?

01:52:42.000 I would say that we need to treat every person with basic dignity and that there are people who identify with a different gender than they are born at in birth and that we should let them and their families.

01:53:07.000 Can I play this clip for you based on what you just said?

01:53:09.000 Ed, can you listen to this?

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:10.000 With her, I'm worried about her mental well-being and her dilation.

01:53:17.000 The minute she leaves my house, we have a dilation problem. 0.99

01:53:21.000 That is a concern.

01:53:22.000 When you don't have that watchful eye, they tend to go back to old patterns. 0.99

01:53:27.000 I have woken Jazz out of a dead sleep and taken the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, here, you take this and you put it in your vagina. 1.00

01:53:35.000 If not, I will. 0.99

01:53:37.000 But Jazz is bad, even when I'm home once a day.

01:53:39.000 I would be so mad if she goes away to college and that thing seals up. 0.99

01:53:44.000 I would ring her neck. 0.70

01:53:46.000 Can you imagine?

01:53:47.000 So just to clarify, this sounds like...

01:53:50.000 Jazz Jennings was a child, I think seven years old, when it was declared for Jazz that Jazz was transgender, put on puberty blockers, given multiple surgeries.

01:53:58.000 And hearing now that an adult human male who has gone through these surgeries is resisting the medical treatments, but the individual's mother on television says, if you don't do it, I will force this into your body and wring your neck.

01:54:11.000 This is mainstream, televised, gender-affirming care.

01:54:15.000 When we talk about parents getting to decide what they do to their kids, we're talking about that.

01:54:19.000 Can I add some?

01:54:20.000 I just want to give some statistics.

01:54:22.000 60% of boys who are transgender children, they have mothers with a cluster B personality disorder. 0.99

01:54:31.000 So narcissism, bipolar, manic-depressive, Munchausen's by proxy.

01:54:38.000 Essentially.

01:54:38.000 And this is a lot of what I was seeing.

01:54:40.000 This is television.

01:54:41.000 I believe it's TLC? Yes.

01:54:44.000 This is from a few years ago.

01:54:45.000 Congressman Rowe, how is that not child abuse, would you say?

01:54:49.000 I don't know the details of this, but certainly no parent should be telling someone what their identity is.

01:54:59.000 The whole point of recognizing people's dignity and rights is that they get to fulfill who they are.

01:55:05.000 What I will say, though, is that that means that you respect the person and that there should be a clear...

01:55:18.000 Respect for that individual.

01:55:20.000 But children?

01:55:21.000 There's more...

01:55:22.000 But what about children?

01:55:24.000 I mean, minors.

01:55:25.000 Well, my understanding of the few transgender families that I have taught kids who are transgender and parents is that they often have such agonizing decisions.

01:55:35.000 I mean, usually if someone's kid is transgender, they think it's a huge challenge in society.

01:55:41.000 And they are the most reluctant to have surgery.

01:55:47.000 And it's agonizing, and it's painful.

01:55:50.000 And so I'm not saying there are not cases, and outlier cases, or I don't know the statistics, but my own experience in terms of talking to kids who are transgender, they often get bullied.

01:56:01.000 It's a tough life.

01:56:03.000 They often have...

01:56:03.000 It's statistics of suicide.

01:56:06.000 Their parents are often, often worried about their safety.

01:56:08.000 And I just think we're a compassionate nation.

01:56:10.000 Let's, you know, let's have some space for people to...

01:56:16.000 Well, gender dysphoria can be real and the solution can be mental health direction, not chopping body parts off.

01:56:23.000 Desistance rates, the rate at which a child will stop being trans, is upwards of 65 to 90 percent.

01:56:30.000 And suicidality for transgender youth is around, I believe it's 40 or some odd percent.

01:56:34.000 That would mean that there is a greater probability of reducing suicidality by doing nothing.

01:56:41.000 Despite this data, we have large industries and television shows advocating that children be put through this process.

01:56:47.000 That is, for these families with agonizing decisions, typically if the child just goes through puberty, they have a 60-90% chance of coming into their body and being happy with it.

01:56:58.000 But if you then affirm them, their suicidality skyrockets to some high 40%.

01:57:05.000 That's increasing suicide in children.

01:57:07.000 When Big Health and the NIH have suppressed the studies showing this.

01:57:13.000 Everywhere doing a comprehensive view of the studies.

01:57:15.000 I have the studies.

01:57:17.000 I have the studies.

01:57:18.000 Okay.

01:57:19.000 88% of boys who thought they were trans and were not given any intervention.

01:57:27.000 Outgrew it with puberty.

01:57:29.000 Puberty is the cure.

01:57:30.000 So what is the treatment?

01:57:32.000 Puberty blockers.

01:57:33.000 So they block the cure.

01:57:35.000 80% of girls who believe that they're a boy were sexually abused. 0.94

01:57:39.000 44% of boys who believe that they're a girl turn out to be gay.

01:57:44.000 So what they're doing is, and then it comes down to other horrendous statistics, 30% of children in foster care believe that they're trans.

01:57:53.000 30%.

01:57:54.000 So it comes down to children who are looking for a community, children who are confused about their sexuality, children who don't feel safe in their bodies.

01:58:00.000 And instead of saying, no, you're perfect, we love you just the way that you are, they say, no, you are right.

01:58:06.000 You are actually a boy, and we need to change everything about you. 0.77

01:58:10.000 And this doesn't fix what's internally the matter with them.

01:58:12.000 This is why the suicide rate continues to stay so high.

01:58:15.000 We do have very limited time, but I wanted to give the congressman the last word on this.

01:58:18.000 Well, I would just say, we've been talking about family rights, parental rights, individual rights.

01:58:23.000 I think that these decisions are best made by the family with the consent, of course, of the person.

01:58:32.000 And they should have access.

01:58:34.000 To all of the medical opinion.

01:58:36.000 I don't think that there should be censorship in the medical opinion.

01:58:39.000 But the people I know who are transgender, and I do know some in my district, you know, I could tell you that they are transgender.

01:58:46.000 They believe that they were born in a different body than their identity.

01:58:52.000 And I just think, I also think, one point out of this, I mean, it's, I think everyone would concede as less than 1% of Americans still today.

01:59:01.000 And it has torn, this issue is tearing our country apart.

01:59:05.000 Yeah, because where are the guardrails?

01:59:07.000 The problem isn't the actual person who suffers with gender dysphoria abusing women in women's shelters. 0.72

01:59:14.000 The problem is the man claiming to be transgender. 0.99

01:59:16.000 It's the guy who rapes somebody in prison because he was put in a women's prison. 0.58

01:59:21.000 And my book, I mean, not to go crazy on this, but my book lays out how the Human Rights Campaign Pushed the federal government to go whole hog on this.

01:59:31.000 No debate.

01:59:32.000 No dissent allowed.

01:59:33.000 And you had people, public health officials like Rachel Levine, who like, I can feel for Rachel Levine.

01:59:41.000 I think he has problems he's dealing with.

01:59:43.000 But he has said he's glad he didn't undergo transition.

01:59:47.000 Until after he had his children, because his children wouldn't exist otherwise, and he loves his children to death.

01:59:53.000 Of course he does.

01:59:54.000 We have limited time.

01:59:57.000 Why should children not have the same option that Rachel Levine had?

02:00:02.000 He wants to remove that.

02:00:03.000 So we actually do have a hard stop for the space war and everything, so I just want to thank the congressman for coming.

02:00:08.000 Thank you.

02:00:09.000 I enjoyed it.

02:00:09.000 I appreciate it.

02:00:10.000 And I hope you'll have other progressives, Democrats on board, and I hope more of my party will go on.

02:00:18.000 Conservative outlets, of course you've got a big following, but you've all been very respectful.

02:00:22.000 I think we need more of these kind of conversations in this country.

02:00:25.000 To be fair, whenever issues come up, we find that you're usually on the better side of things.

02:00:30.000 When I was saying preach earlier, talking about the American working class being out and all that stuff.

02:00:35.000 Your eyes were lighting up.

02:00:36.000 That's my big issue.

02:00:38.000 In the Cheadle hearings, you were great there, too, when it came to President Trump's attempted assassination.

02:00:44.000 That was awful.

02:00:45.000 Do you want to shout anything out?

02:00:46.000 Do you have a Twitter account or X account or anything?

02:00:48.000 Should I shout out my TikTok?

02:00:50.000 No, I'm just kidding.

02:00:52.000 Shout out whatever you want.

02:00:54.000 Shout out whatever you want.

02:00:56.000 Maybe in a couple days.

02:00:57.000 How about at Ro Khanna, across the board, at Ro Khanna.

02:01:00.000 Thank you so much for coming.

02:01:01.000 Well, thanks for having me, Tim.

02:01:02.000 Appreciate it.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 21, 2025

Trump Is Now President, Biden Pardons His WHOLE Family, Fauci & Others w-Rep Ro Khanna | Timcast IRL

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