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00:02:48.000I mean when the government blows somebody up and then just says, trust me, you know, we don't necessarily have to trust them.
00:02:53.000However, in this regard, when the US government releases the video themselves, it's probably not something they're gonna get caught doing wrong.
00:03:00.000Usually that's a whistleblower or whatever.
00:03:02.000So it is funny to see that Trump has now gotten the Democrats to get behind Trende Aragua and drug cartels.
00:03:13.000Victims have the press conference saying they were gonna be releasing their own their own uh a client list, which will be uh interesting.
00:03:21.000And then a couple stories that I think are particularly interesting, even though they're across the pond in the UK, Graham Linehan, a comedian gets off a plane and gets arrested in the UK.
00:03:30.000He's British, but for tweets he sent jokes while in the United States.
00:03:37.000And then, probably the most interesting, Germany's AFD party, this is their populist right-wing party, seven of their politicians have died within days of their upcoming election, and no one believes it's a coincidence.
00:03:52.000So we'll talk about that a lot more before we get started.
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00:06:31.000Uh I have been so canceled that I'm the only person in the world not on Twitter.
00:06:36.000I started the Proud Boys, Vice Media, invented hipsters, gentrified Williamsburg, and uh made three Native Americans from scratch.
00:06:46.000And uh I uh I'm I'm left with censored.tv, which is the only place I'm allowed to exist.
00:06:53.000I have to say, you know, you are responsible for creating one of the most nefarious and notorious groups that we have known in the modern era.
00:07:15.000New York has these decade-long scenes, like there was Jack Kerrick with the beatniks, and there was the sort of raver scene in the 90s, there was the CBGB scene in the 80s.
00:07:26.000For some reason, they choosed round numbers, and it's like 80 to 90.
00:07:46.000It got sort of putrefied by metrosexuals.
00:07:49.000It branched out into sort of like fake bikers and metrosexuals.
00:07:53.000But um, yeah, it was a great little scene, and I I'm happy that it it existed, like the beatniks and then the raver kids and all that other early vice as well.
00:10:14.000Um I've been I've been critical of the Middle East Middle East intervention, the war in Ukraine, U.S. support for Israel, all of this funding we're spending overseas.
00:10:24.000The one time you can probably expect the government not to be lying about the strike is when they publish the video and tell you we did it.
00:10:33.000Typically, when we see like um we've got uh the famous collateral murder video that was leaked where uh U.S. blew up a bunch of journal, a couple journalists or Reuters reporter in uh I think it was in Iraq or Afghanistan.
00:10:47.000And that made the U.S. look bad and they were upset about it.
00:10:49.000This is Trump saying, here's what we've confirmed, and we did.
00:10:53.000So certainly don't take their word for it.
00:10:56.000I'm not gonna sit here and be like the US government blowing people up, fine, it must be trustworthy.
00:11:00.000But I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt in this regard that they're striking narco-terrorists and traffickers and cartel members who rape, murder, and steal.
00:11:09.000And I'm not going to sit here and cry and call Trump a murderer on this one.
00:11:12.000This is what this is what I can't stand.
00:11:14.000You get these military actions in Eastern Europe or the Middle East, and then these these pro-military industrial complex neolibs are just like, no, that's fine.
00:11:23.000They don't go after Biden for what happened in Afghanistan.
00:11:25.000If he was getting guys that were bringing fentanyl to the West, I don't even care where in the West, anywhere in North America, then thank God he did that.
00:11:34.000But I think we have to differentiate exactly what was on this boat.
00:11:38.000Because if it was Coke with no fentanyl.
00:11:43.000Well, yeah, I'm glad you I'm glad you got those guys.
00:11:48.000We totally don't want cocaine in America.
00:12:57.000Oh, I'm not going to sit here and say all drugs are the exact same thing, but drugs in general are not good for caffeine in the United States.
00:14:39.000It's like triage, like it's all bad, but CMR is Moses splitting the C. Like 17-year-olds having sex with rock stars, I'm falling asleep right now.
00:14:50.00012-year-olds having sex with rock stars, I'm wide awake.
00:17:14.000If there was no cocaine, you would have no tower records, you'd have no Playboy magazine, you'd have no National Lampoon, you'd have no Vice magazine, you would have no Studio 54, you'd have no disco, you'd have no Def Leopard, you'd have no hair metal.
00:17:32.000Let me tell you right now, there's a bunch of disaffected Gen Z men who have found like religion and tradition.
00:18:26.000Because they're sick of what the right thing is.
00:18:27.000The reason they're going conservative is because we were being pretty liberal minded.
00:18:32.000The reason that we got the youth is because we weren't being little nitpickers about all the rules and not bitching about irrelevant stuff.
00:18:55.000I don't think that I think Ben Shapiro is a huge so when we meet young people, Gen Z people in their mid-20s or whatever, they say, Oh, in the late like 2010s, I was getting all the Ben Shapiro debate videos.
00:19:26.000And I think I think the problem with like the Pap Buchanan generation of of paleoconservative nerds is they ostracize the youth by you know being these tie-wearing uh uptight guys who don't know the difference between fentanyl and cocaine and and weed and and opioids.
00:19:46.000I think you know there's a really interesting conversation in like pot being schedule one.
00:20:26.000I see when I was younger, I was a I was a I was much more liberal.
00:20:29.000Now I'm fairly moderate on the Yeah, I'm a little libertarian.
00:20:33.000I don't know that prohibition, the way we tried it with pot with with beer works, but I think we sighting need to culturally shun and say no to all these drugs.
00:20:42.000Kevin, is it worth we need to recognize the the dangers of them?
00:20:47.000Like I I'm for the legalization of weed, of course, but I want young people to know it kills your economic libido, it makes you sneak uh sleep in till noon.
00:21:17.000It's it's got to be a cultural phenomenon.
00:21:19.000And I think we're seeing a lot of young people that are leaning towards the a similar position, but there's kind of a youth zeitgeist, I guess, which is drugs are bad, we don't want to go near them.
00:24:55.000So what I what I what I see where I grew up is people going to prison and their lives destroyed, and whatever what whatever potential they had as American citizens to build a business was wiped out by cocaine.
00:25:04.000Well, they went to prison because cocaine's illegal.
00:25:07.000I can't believe I'm Mr. Cocaine defendant here, but yeah, I think it's bad.
00:25:51.000Maduro says Venezuela is ready to respond to U.S. military presence in the Caribbean.
00:25:56.000And a top Biden era official is warning the U.S. could stumble into disastrous intervention in Venezuela.
00:26:03.000The argument being that Maduro is not going to tolerate the U.S. military operations in the Caribbean, and then the U.S. is going to stumble.
00:26:31.000You guys think that Trump is going to get us in is going to intervene and get us involved in Venezuela?
00:26:36.000I don't particularly think that there's a large uh chance, a significant chance that we're going to go into Venezuela actually boots on the ground.
00:26:44.000I think strikes like this will continue.
00:26:46.000Um look, at the end of the day, the cartels are out to make money.
00:26:50.000And if all of their shipments, or not all of the shipments, but if a significant portion of their shipments keep getting blown up, I imagine they're gonna say, all right, it's not worth it to try and ship it into into the U.S. Can we reinstitute colonization?
00:27:23.000How do you have so much oil more than Canada, more than Mexico, more than Saudi Arabia, and your loser central because they kicked out all the companies that were actually.
00:28:07.000We should have gone there and just said, I'm paraphrasing Anne right now.
00:28:11.000We should have just gone like, hi, uh, you have this dirty black guck in your water supply.
00:28:17.000And we'll be removing that now for 100 a month.
00:28:21.000And then like what do they do with their money?
00:28:25.000They drive on cars with two wheels on the side, and they have a harem that they skull F. There was a uh someone someone told me a funny story about how there was a small village in Saudi Arabia, and when they found oil just like under part of the village within five years, everybody in the village was wearing thick gold chains and rings and but everything else had the same, like they still lived in you know, little adobe hut kind of things.
00:28:48.000It was I was talking to Chris about that island in uh Polynesia where they the coral generates this intense carbon that you sprinkle on your crops and everyone gets rich.
00:28:59.000And so everyone was a millionaire overnight, and they can't grow their own crops because they're their coral carbon crap is too intense.
00:29:07.000So they would just import like Popeyes and so they all became this like turgid billionaires uh in Lamborghinis that they didn't know how to drive.
00:29:17.000Like you you can't you can't help certain cultures that are just not as advanced as ours.
00:29:23.000You need to go through cultural Siberian winters to know how to spend your money.
00:29:29.000Um, as far as this story goes, there's a few things, there's a few different things going on.
00:29:33.000So, first of all, these cartels are terrorist organizations have been designated as such, and so all of these boats are legitimate military targets as far as I'm concerned.
00:29:42.000Um we've been having a military buildup um outside of Venezuela, and there are a lot of reasons why regime change would make sense there.
00:29:52.000Um, and there's a few different ways to geopolitically look at this.
00:29:55.000Um, first of all, it would deal with the cartels, it would also uh help mitigate the immigration crisis that we're seeing from um Venezuela and other South American countries.
00:30:04.000Also, us getting the oil would be a huge deal.
00:30:07.000Uh we have the correct oil refineries for Venezuelan oil, which is like thick and sour, so-called thick and sour oil.
00:30:14.000So this could help mitigate Russia's um benefits off of cheap oil right now that they're sending around the globe.
00:30:20.000So like we could help spike those prices down, uh drop those prices if we were able to get that Venezuelan oil should outspaid Venezuela.
00:30:29.000We should encourage the Venezuelan people to rise up against their fascistic communist country.
00:30:43.000Well, but it's but it's full-that's but you don't you don't you don't go to 10 right away, don't crank it all the way up real quick, right?
00:30:48.000We want to if if we can avoid war and take them over, we'd be it's it's better than going to war, right?
00:30:55.000What if the US, just hear me out, allocated through Congress funds to a U.S. organization that operated under the guise of international aid, but was actually fomenting revolution in foreign countries.
00:31:10.000And then we call it something like you know, American aid or US USAID.
00:31:50.000Listen, it was not, it was not pushing American interests.
00:31:53.000It was convincing third world, it was forcing third world countries to adopt policies towards accepting uh LGBTQ activism and transgenderism.
00:32:01.000And the people like in Afghanistan were like, why is this on my wall?
00:32:04.000And then worse than America being like, literally, what is the American interest in promoting LGBTQ activism in Afghanistan?
00:32:11.000Now, if you said we want the oil from Venezuela, sure I can understand that.
00:32:15.000We can have debate about whether we should or shouldn't, but at least that one makes sense mathematically.
00:32:27.000So this story has really gone underreported, and I think it's worthwhile to listen to a couple of the quotes coming out of the administration to show how serious they are about this.
00:32:34.000So a couple of quotes from Caroline Levitt.
00:32:36.000One is President Trump has been very clear and consistent.
00:32:38.000He's prepared to use every element of American power to stop drugs from flooding into our country and to bring those responsible to justice.
00:32:44.000The Maduro regime is not the legitimate government of Venezuela.
00:33:45.000Look, like what you were talking about, like having like little green men, that's literally the job of the Green Berets.
00:33:51.000They're they get dropped into hostile territory and they align with the local people that will fight.
00:33:57.000They try and form a militia, teach him how to fight.
00:34:00.000So we actually do have the capacity to do it still.
00:34:02.000Now, whether or not the whether or not the United States will do it, I mean, I don't know.
00:34:07.000There just needs to be a group of guys standing back and standing by, just ready in case any violence comes onto the street, and we need people protecting, you know, patriots from Antifa.
00:34:19.000It should be called the unashamed guy.
00:35:07.000For the past several years we've talked quite a bit about the political space.
00:35:11.000I'm I'm pretty much I don't even really care anymore because the population crisis is substantially uh more let's call it heavier.
00:35:19.000It it's gonna it's gonna matter substantially more than whether or not there's an election.
00:35:23.000I'm curious your thoughts on uh where we end up in the next five years, considering you know, I'll put it so Gen Alpha is half the size of Gen Z. Yeah.
00:35:31.000So there's it's it's an it's a mathematical impossibility to recover unless Gen Alpha has six kids each.
00:35:37.000Well, there's two things going on at once, and they're they're both antithetical.
00:35:40.000There's there's this insane influx of immigrants, and even before Biden, there was I I would say 30 million illegals in America.
00:36:45.000The the the when the rats had infinite food and water, what did they do?
00:36:49.000They started doing exactly they did they do exactly what humans are doing now.
00:36:53.000Humans are exhibiting behavioral sink.
00:36:55.000But my my concern is, you know, in the short term, we talk about you know big mail-in bags and votes, and Trump is talking about we gotta get rid of mail-in voting, and then there's conversations about war, and I'm like, yo, in five years, all your grocery stores are gonna start shut going out of business.
00:37:09.000You're not gonna be able to get certain fruits or vegetables uh out of season anymore.
00:37:13.000Your beef, oof, that's gonna be just click at the borders and figure it out.
00:37:17.000I mean, there's so many different factors.
00:37:19.000Like a few people are talking about this.
00:37:23.000We created the West is contingent on a lot of things.
00:37:27.000Western culture was built on cold winters for one.
00:37:30.000I gotta pickle stuff, or I'm gonna start.
00:37:33.000I also think I have to be ultra benevolent.
00:39:26.000Uh let me let me pull up the exact number.
00:39:28.000You know you're in West Virginia, right?
00:39:30.000No, I think well, there's people that cheat, but generally the Western world over the past 20 years has been 20 U.S. states allow cousin marriage and New York allows you to gay marry your cousin.
00:40:01.000There's uh a certain number of states that allow gay marriage, a certain number of states that allow uh cousin marriage, and a couple that have unregulated gay cousin marriage.
00:40:09.000Now, obviously with Obergefell and the Supreme Court rulings, all states were are required to recognize gay marriage now.
00:40:15.000So there's a lot more states, twenty that allow you to get it's not because it's not our culture.
00:40:20.000It happens, it may be legal somewhere, but as our DNA.
00:40:28.000Most of the people we're importing now are made of cousin marriage.
00:40:31.000It is and when you take our best asset, not cousin breeding, and you import the worst part of the rest of the world, you have this poop soup.
00:40:42.000Well, so uh let me let me give the the hard details for people who aren't familiar.
00:40:46.000Uh in the Middle East, it is extremely common to marry your cousin.
00:42:44.000I know, but an AI cartoon of George Floyd.
00:42:47.000So you'd have to set, tell your algorithm ban George Floyd's face, and then it's like a memorial for how great he is, and that gets banned.
00:42:54.000They they the the double standard we saw on the big tech platforms in the in the 2010s.
00:43:00.000They you had you had liberals posting uh wood chippers saying they wanted to throw c Christian children into it, and Twitter wouldn't ban them.
00:43:07.000And then someone says hashtag learn to code and gets banned.
00:43:10.000It's easy for them to enforce a double standard.
00:43:12.000So what what my point right now is it's it's crazy to hear that you are still banned on X when you go on Instagram and there's there was one video with seven million views just mocking Indian people for not showering.
00:43:26.000There's tons of them, they're everywhere.
00:43:27.000And it's like it's 6.8 million views in this video, and all the comments are laughing, and I'm like, the pendulum has swung really hard in the other direction, right?
00:43:36.000And and I know there's still remnants of woke and these battles are still happening, but Trump won, and I I that's why I'm saying you'd think by now, maybe maybe you don't it is just you know here's what I think.
00:43:46.000I had a conversation with uh with Google recently, and we were discussing the algorithm.
00:43:53.000I believe it's like AI or you people at Google.
00:43:56.000I was actually talking to a person at Google.
00:43:57.000I was talking a human being who works at Google.
00:43:59.000And I said, I believe that at the height of censorship, there were varying degrees of weights placed on different personalities.
00:44:07.000Some were outright banned, some were censored, some were delisted, you know, shadow banned, etc.
00:44:13.000It's a fact that all of my YouTube channels were removed from Google.
00:44:17.000And you'd go on Google and search for my channel, my name, the title of the video, and it would not come up.
00:44:22.000And it was only a couple years ago when I was talking about on the show that it finally got lifted live in real time while we're on the show.
00:44:28.000So I told this Google person, you know, I think I think you have restrictions on my account that have been there, legacy restrictions from the Biden from from the the first Trump era, the censorship wave, extending into the Biden era, and now that we're moving into the space where the expectation of the individual at Google is no, no, we're not doing that right now.
00:44:47.000You guys haven't gone in to all the old channels that legacy channels that fought through this and removed those restrictions.
00:44:53.000So I guarantee you, if I launch a new YouTube channel, I bet none of those restrictions will exist.
00:44:59.000And I believe I'm I'm already proving it.
00:45:13.000You know where I can see the evidence?
00:45:14.000It's not proof yet, but it's evidence.
00:45:17.000The video had sustained viewership for two days.
00:45:20.000On all of on Timcast IRL, Timcast, and Timcast News, the video will sh will when when it when it goes public, it's a ton of views and then slowly drops off and disappears.
00:45:30.000After 24 hours, the video is completely gone.
00:47:14.000So because that's all all of our shows are lumped together, like inverted world pop culture, Tim Pool, culture, like we've got like seven or eight different podcasts.
00:48:11.000Because I remember talking to you a long time ago, and and someone was like, You're gonna get banned from YouTube, and you go, I don't give a shit.
00:48:16.000And I remember thinking, that's a lot of money to say you don't give a shit about.
00:48:22.000We try not to swear because people are like watching us on the kids in there.
00:48:26.000But uh uh so we've got the Tim Pool morning show, which is there's there's uh it it breaks down into the Culture War show.
00:48:34.000We put up an audio podcast, which every day Monday through Thursday is an interview I do with with somebody, and then Fridays is the is the full debate.
00:48:42.000And we've done a few of these that have been like audience shows.
00:48:44.000You were at one of them, so you you know what that's fun.
00:49:43.000Usually I'd work from like 7 a.m. until about 4 p.m.
00:49:47.000And then I'd come back and work from seven until ten.
00:49:50.000We added the after show, which puts us to 11 o'clock now.
00:49:53.000And then with the administrative stuff I have to do in between, I basically wake up at 7 30, immediately I'm on my phone looking at notifications, looking at news.
00:50:01.000Give me about a half an hour to get ready for the day.
00:50:03.000And then I'm in that's why you don't drink.
00:50:06.000Well, I don't drink because that would inhibit my ability to get my work done.
00:51:12.000And if I had just taken Maybe that was nature going, I want you to be with your baby.
00:51:16.000Well, I spent three weeks somewhat with the baby.
00:51:18.000I couldn't be sick near the baby, so I was in the other room.
00:51:22.000But the issue is I got sick, and instead of just saying I better take a week, I was like, I can't take time off.
00:51:27.000And so I was forced a couple days off, and I was coughing and like uh as soon as I was able to talk, I was like, Advil, let's go, baby, back to work.
00:51:37.000And then uh worked for the weekend as well with the Saturday show.
00:51:42.000And then the next week got sick again, and I was like, Oh, here we go.
00:51:56.000And then that night, Tuesday, my throat was swelling up.
00:51:59.000By three in the morning, I was I was like lying in bed drenched in sweat, my throat was so swollen, I thought I was gonna die, went to the ER.
00:52:05.000They gave me steroids to reduce the swelling because my throat was so swollen.
00:52:08.000Yeah, we got we gotta fix this business plan.
00:52:57.000I feel like sometimes the ship is sinking and I'm bailing water as hard as fast as I can, but the ship is gonna sink either way, so it's kind of scary, but you can't stop bailing, you know.
00:53:05.000You're the captain, you have to sip sink with the ship.
00:53:07.000Uh well, I'm talking in in the culture where I wouldn't consider myself to be the captain.
00:53:11.000I'm just someone who's like, if I don't captain, Alex Jones?
00:53:17.000I no, I mean, you could arguably say Trump, I guess, but I don't know if that makes sense either, because uh the culture war is bigger than just the government.
00:53:25.000It it is what makes civil like civilization for it to exist requires strong men who are willing to work and and do whatever it takes.
00:55:27.000So uh after all the costs, I would say I do well, but uh I've said this before, I've explained it before, and you know, some people get mad at me for saying it.
00:55:36.000If I didn't do Tim Cast IRL and literally only did my morning show, I'd probably make five million a year with zero staff and no overhead.
00:56:22.000So I've I've I've gone down to like an hour twenty a day, because people usually commute to work for 40 minutes and they commute back 40 minutes, and then we stay caught up with each other.
00:56:34.000So the there's a couple different ways to look at it.
00:56:37.000One is if I put out fifty I think I think we probably do let me do some quick math.
00:56:42.000We do four, five, eleven, I think I think it's like 11 individual segments each day, plus a one-hour morning show and a and a three-hour nightly show.
00:56:53.000And so what happens is one individual can only watch about 40 minutes per day of content.
00:56:59.000And so if you s if I were to stop doing everything and do one one-hour show, that one hour show would get two or three million views.
00:57:21.000But it's spread out over all these different avenues.
00:57:24.000So an individual individual person watches a lot of Tim Pool content, but it's a ton of different videos, so each individual video is getting 50 to 100k.
00:57:32.000Well, that the idea is if we got rid of it all and I did two videos, everybody would watch that one video and it would get a million views.
00:57:38.000I'd still make the same amount of money.
00:58:07.000There's a dude in the chat yelling at me already.
00:58:09.000Like, this is the this is like the weirdest, craziest thing about working in this industry.
00:58:12.000You know, you know, look, I could be like these other personalities and just never tell anybody anything about what's going on behind the scenes or how the machine operates.
00:58:20.000People be like, how much money you make?
00:58:51.000When people are thinking of bands, they think of like, you know, the big big big bands, but like the bands that are beneath them are almost infinite.
00:58:59.000Um one of the a point I wanted to make is part of the reason why he does this show that is this show is is one that actually attracts that consistently attracts people that give him access to like he interviewed the president.
00:59:13.000He wouldn't have had the opportunity to interview the president, or likely wouldn't have had the opportunity if it wasn't for IRL.
00:59:19.000Yeah, before we launched IRL, my my uh the one podcast I have was called the Tim Pool morning show, the Tim Pool Daily Show, which still exists, but it was the 34th biggest podcast in the world on all platforms.
01:00:14.000Uh so I do on on YouTube in the morning, I'll put up four segments on YouTube.com slash Timcast News, and then at noon on Rumble, I do a full hour, which the first half an hour is the story of the day, followed by an interview.
01:00:29.000Right, but my question was what if YouTube was like F him is dead to it.
01:00:33.000Yeah, if I just I just put the the audio version up, I'd I wouldn't really affect your income.
01:00:40.000No, yeah, I mean it it would be, but like if if YouTube banned us outright across the board all channels, Tim Castyro wouldn't exist anymore.
01:01:00.000Well, actually, I'll put it like this the offers that the offers that I've had for bouts, because we're independently like it's an independent company from the ground up from its get go.
01:01:08.000I'd imagine if I got banned across the board on all platforms, like they just said your channels are gone, you don't make money.
01:01:12.000If it's assuming I wasn't persona non grata, I'd end up at one of these networks.
01:01:27.000When women talk to each other, I've noticed they're like, oh my God, I want to go home and just like have a bath and put on my sweatpants and go Netflix and chill.
01:01:34.000And when men talk, they're like, so what do you do?
01:02:38.000So what what so look let's say this tomorrow YouTube says all your YouTube channels are gone.
01:02:44.000We would probably still exist for two years because we have a community, but the community has has a standard attrition rate and without functional marketing to build that community.
01:03:20.000And uh we got I I bought a billboard above ABC News because I had worked for ABC News, and I thought it would be the greatest, like, look at me now.
01:03:29.000Because these people are that they're woke, they're lunatics, they're they're they're liars.
01:03:35.000The the billboard that we put above ABC News in Times Square for one month was $30,000.
01:03:45.000It's a vinyl physical billboard that was there 24-7 for one month, and they gave me an extension for half off because nobody was buying it, which is crazy.
01:03:54.000And uh it's it's 45 feet wide, and so they gave it to us.
01:03:58.000We have it in a big box, and I'm like, I don't know.
01:04:04.000So there, you know, there's the there's options like that.
01:04:07.000But um, so here's here's what I say to people like what the reason why I say I'm always like I don't I don't do it as often, but like, hey, join the Timcast Discord is because Timcast IRL requires travel and accommodation for our guests.
01:04:18.000We don't do the over we don't do digital, uh, the Zoom calls because they don't work the same.
01:04:23.000You don't get the Gavin swinging the mic and Yeah, you can't see the eyes.
01:04:26.000It's yeah, or the guy smacking the microphone, screaming, I'm not that guy, things like that.
01:04:34.000We built the building from scratch, which I'm not, I don't think it's fair to include in our hard costs, but staffing, infrastructure, server racks, like there's a lot that goes into it.
01:04:42.000Uh and even then it's it's a struggle to keep the the all the plates spinning.
01:04:48.000Okay, here's a controversial thing that and I'm of two minds about this, but Gen Z complains about no opportunities and and how you know boomers could buy a house for 12 grand and they have to work their asses off and and they have student debt, and I totally agree with that.
01:05:04.000But on the other hand, and I'm like, I grew up middle class, but I did eat out of the garbage and with vice, like we were piling in vice newsprints into a rented minivan until the axles were scraping.
01:05:18.000My dad was and I were driving to like Guelph, Ontario and unloading these things at four in the morning, you know, for months, for months, for years.
01:05:28.000So, and I was a tree planter and a bike messenger, and I'm not bragging about uh what I went through, but part of me is like you guys did get fucked, Gen Z. You did you did get dug into a hole, but you also have to be able to eat poop to get out of that hole.
01:05:48.000Like that, you saw that viral Jubilee video with the guy with the Viking haircut and Patrick, what's his name, Bet David was like, I'll give you a job right now, right now.
01:05:58.000And the guy was like, Well, I'll research your company.
01:06:00.000And it's like, dude, if you're broke labricks, like do any work clean out porta potties until you can get some money in the bank.
01:06:10.000So I think the curse of Gen Z is on the one hand, they're correct that they're totally settled with insane debt and have no chance of making a place like this.
01:06:20.000But on the other hand, I don't think they have the work ethic to build a place like this.
01:06:55.000And then you by the way, let me finish.
01:06:57.000You gotta go out for lunch, drink bourbon, and wine and dine your clients, then you gotta go back to work, then you gotta schmooze your clients at dinner.
01:08:35.000They're right that things are unaffordable.
01:08:37.000But when it comes time to fucking fix the problem, it's it sucks.
01:08:43.000So I I I think with the the cultural crisis and the fertility crisis.
01:08:48.000Uh, by cultural crisis, I mean Gen Z uh having a less than average work ethic.
01:08:54.000And again, I'm not ragging on all Gen Z as a ton of Gen Z with tremendous work ethic.
01:08:58.000A lot of them are becoming more religious, a lot of them more conservative, but as a generation, millennials, and then slightly more Gen Z, miserable worth like I I actually think millennials may be worse than Gen Z. They're they're awful.
01:09:09.000If you know what you should do, sorry to interrupt, you've got a Mr. Beast, this problem, and you get someone to wear a beanie and a black t-shirt, someone who's like, fuck fuck Tim Pool, he's making all this money.
01:09:24.000And then you sit, you like you have to sit next to him to make it worth it, or people are gonna go, you just went on vacation.
01:09:29.000And then you have that guy do your exact shifts and go through the news, the marriage effect, the Atlantic, and for like two weeks and watch him and be like, dude, wake up at 7 a.m., we got a rock.
01:09:44.000Let's go through the news stories and watch them just crumble fall apart.
01:09:50.000Just you did you watch the PBD versus the anti-capitalist debate that you're and they're and they're like, I shouldn't have to do any work, give me food.
01:09:57.000Let me research your company, he says.
01:10:05.000Well, so this is the this is what I'm saying about the cultural crisis and the population crisis.
01:10:09.000We simultaneously have with uh Jen Alpha, the oldest being 15, they're gonna be coming in the next couple of years as the low-skill labor, like literally next year, 16-year-olds, 18-year-olds will be should be entering university and getting uh entry-level jobs.
01:10:23.000Not only are there half of them, but their generation is fried from the the iPad Elsa Gate psychotic garbage that was being funneled to their mouths and their babies.
01:11:36.000So what happens when you're when you're saying, you know, you you get out of this work ethic.
01:11:40.000What am I supposed to do when I need this this is this is a big problem that we're facing as a company, there's a natural cycle of every company that has ever existed.
01:11:49.000Somebody who gets a job at your company when they're 20 has different needs than when they're 30.
01:11:54.000So you hire a 20-year-old and he's doing computer basic work and you're paying him, you know, 40 a year or whatever, and he's like, wow, this is I'm making so much money, and I'm talking about years ago.
01:12:02.000And then 10 years goes by, and they get their standard inflationary raise, maybe they get a promotion.
01:12:07.000Now they're like, look, I'm getting married, I gotta buy a house.
01:12:09.000This isn't enough money for me anymore, and I have tons of experience.
01:13:05.000I had that problem with my my previous producer, Ryan, great guy, but he kept breeding, and I was like, okay, this job is if you really whittled it down, you could get down to 20 hours a week.
01:13:19.000But he was up to like 40, and I'm like, that's not my problem.
01:13:23.000But then a great guy, I'm not disparaging him, but uh he kept having kids and kept you know needing a bigger place, which he did.
01:13:31.000He's with Sam Hyde now, he's doing great, so God bless his cotton socks.
01:13:35.000But these the what you need to bring in.
01:13:38.000A lot of Zoomers will go like, I need this much more money.
01:13:42.000I got this, these many kids, I need a bigger house.
01:13:45.000And you're like, yeah, but that's not what the job dictates.
01:14:58.000And we're at the point now where it's like as far as a mom and pop media shop can go.
01:15:04.000So either we, and I talked about this, you know, a year ago, we go to Venture Capital and we say, we need investment, not because we're broke, we need investment because we need corporate level management to come and straighten things out and fix it.
01:15:16.000Yeah, but you gotta be careful because look what happened with Vice.
01:15:18.000I know with A. And that's why we don't do it.
01:15:20.000Or do you ever see that Tower Records doc?
01:15:22.000Tower records built on cocaine, by the way.
01:16:07.000So I can tell you what uh I mean, I was only there for about just over a year.
01:16:11.000Um, but uh of course, you know, when I got hired, it was largely Shane, Saroosh, and and Eddie.
01:16:18.000Uh it was basically like Eddie directly, and then Shane was a bit passive, but I I basically would like to talk to Shane about stuff periodically.
01:16:25.000A lot of people there were like, How do you talk to Shane?
01:16:28.000You know, it's like he's walking down.
01:16:29.000I'm like, bro, are you talking about like a hundred people working?
01:16:33.000Uh so friends of mine who were working uh executive level, you know, I don't I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
01:16:39.000Said that what happened was there had been a string of individuals who had accused Shane and others of uh sexual harassment or assault or something.
01:16:49.000This story came out, I think in the New York Times talking about the settlements and how these women were under NDA, and they were like, release them from their NDAs and stuff like this.
01:16:57.000When f when Vice took this big investment, starting with Fox, then of course AE, Hearst, which is Viacom.
01:17:13.000So what ends up this is what I was told that with these stories about the the bro club, the patriarchy and the sexual harassment, assaults, etc.
01:17:26.000And the people who invested, these big companies didn't want to see their investments get knocked down.
01:17:32.000So what happened is the investors, Disney basically, went to Vice and said, You will be a feminist brand and you will embrace the left and what they're saying.
01:17:42.000Otherwise, we're gonna lose all our money because you guys are looked at as right winger, you know, bro, patriarchy frat boys, and they went, sure, whatever you say.
01:17:52.000Brought in a female CEO, shifted the narrative of the company from edgy punk rock into feminism.
01:17:58.000With there was a really great there's a really great example.
01:18:00.000So I was talking to one of the producers at Vice about uh there's an article and it said, This horrifying app will show you any woman topless.
01:18:08.000And what the app did was you took a picture of a woman, and then it would it would automatically generate, and this is this is eight years ago, what like a it would it would remove her shirt and then put a different image of a topless woman.
01:18:19.000And I'll saw this producer and I said, You know where the company went wrong?
01:18:22.000Do you know what the headline of that article would have been in 2008?
01:18:26.000This amazing app will show you any woman topless.
01:18:29.000And then you guys decided to be high school hall monitors, angry about everything, and people stopped reading and stopped watching.
01:19:08.000Now, what I've heard learned later is, or what I've been told later, is that Shane was um regularly.
01:19:17.000This is just allegedly, I don't want to violate any uh NDAs, but it was Reggie regularly sexually assaulting women under my nose.
01:19:26.000Uh and uh I think that was sort of leaked into bro culture somehow.
01:19:34.000And I think one possibility that I've been told is that he said, All right, the the hammer's about to come down on me hard for all of this sexual assault.
01:21:11.000That the uh the and again, I'm not um this.
01:21:14.000It was always in it was a balloon in fear of a pin.
01:21:16.000So most of the employees that I knew when I was there, and and after I left, like I was obviously I'm still friends with a lot of these people, even I still know some of them today.
01:21:25.000Uh, they were basically saying Shane is doing everything can to make it seem like we're bigger than we are to pump up the value and get the valuation really, really big.
01:21:34.000And so everybody was just like, it's uh like a private pump and dump.
01:21:38.000Make it the media darling, tell everybody where the future, raise a bunch of money, then liquidate some of your your equity in the company to make yourself rich, and then that was that was what people were were saying about it.
01:21:49.000When we were back in Montreal, he would we'd be doing coke and getting wasted, and he would he put his lips like on my ear, and he'd be like, We're gonna be so rich.
01:23:11.000And Shane unfortunately grew up in a culture where he was the greatest salesman of all time.
01:23:17.000If he was born in the 50s, it'd be madman Don Draper, he'd be a god.
01:23:22.00060s, but then something with our generation, my generation, I should say, with used car salesman where selling things was like disgusting and lying.
01:23:32.000So I think he was resented that he was the sales guy.
01:23:35.000So he's like, I'm gonna get rid of Gavin because he's a content guy.
01:23:38.000I'll be the sale I'll be the content guy.
01:23:41.000And then I think after a few years he went, my heart's not in this.
01:23:45.000It's it's it's sad because I I remember there was uh around the time I was there, I think he posted a picture of you, Saru uh you, him and Saroosh, and it's like you guys were at a party or something, and I'm like, that's just that's so sad, man.
01:23:56.000You guys were like best friends, start a company together, and then it like the band broke up, you know.
01:24:00.000Well, I I fell in love with my girlfriend and I proposed to her, and that was the end of the triumvirate.
01:24:06.000And that's always a problem with with work.
01:24:09.000That's why the Koreans are so smart to go at Right, don't drink, don't do drugs here.
01:24:18.000The Koreans and the Japanese, they go and get shit hammered on Friday night, and they rebond.
01:24:24.000But we were like, we'd go on vacation together, we bought a house together, and then I fell in love with this this squaw, and I I went that way, and then they were like, Well, fuck you.
01:24:34.000F you I well, so yeah, how did that how did it come to be?
01:24:36.000What's the s short version of how you ended up leaving Vice?
01:24:39.000Oh my god, I've never told this story before, but I've had some beers.
01:24:43.000It was the worst experience of my entire life.
01:24:46.000Well, no, I've had my my my baby, my son, my youngest boy, he got an infection in his thigh and had to have like a surgery.
01:28:39.000And it was edgy and it was it was it was cool, like the bulletproof clothing one where they basically went and met a guy and he wore a trench coat and they shot it, or the scopolamine one where they did nothing.
01:28:47.000They literally just bought it and flushed on the toilet, but everybody wanted to watch it.
01:28:50.000It was just like cool new age journalism, and I remember the reporters going to crazy places and doing like drugs or experimenting or exploring different drugs in North Korea.
01:29:23.000And uh the the the issue that I had at the company, so I'll just wrap mine up because it gavens back, is when I joined them.
01:29:30.000I was like having the launch of my career.
01:29:32.000I was featured in Time Magazine, I got a bunch of these accolades.
01:29:34.000They I was featured in uh Times uh Time Person of the Year was the protester, and I was one of six features.
01:29:40.000So they were like the protester won, and here's here are features, and I was one of them.
01:29:44.000And then they featured me as one of their most influential like social media personalities in February, and so I was getting all this attention.
01:29:51.000So I went to Vice, I went to Al Jazeera, I went to Google, basically pitched them all and said, like, here's who I am, here's what I'm doing.
01:29:58.000But Vice was the the you know, the Shining City on the Hill, right?
01:30:46.000The issue is we're not producing enough and doing enough on the ground.
01:30:49.000So eventually I just I got an offer and I ended up quitting.
01:30:52.000And they they just didn't deliver on their end of the bargain.
01:30:55.000So that's ended up why I ended up leaving.
01:30:57.000That being said, shortly after the some of the people that I that I knew who had gotten jobs, I instantly started seeing the corporatization and the wokeation.
01:31:07.000And uh within a couple years of of me having left, reporters at Vice who I had worked with were telling me to stop reporting and not to travel the world and cover the the stories that I'd been covering before because it would be offensive or because it would help Donald Trump or something.
01:31:22.000And that's what happened to the company.
01:32:50.000They they they kicked him out, I believe.
01:32:52.000But as a joke, I was like, I said, I remember I said it to Kenny Hotz of Kenny versus Benny, and I said it to this other guy, Trevor, and someone else, and I go, Hey, and with my best friend David Duke at the bar, and it's it's a weird thing to say now because no one would would believe you, but back then they're like, what the hell?
01:33:40.000I manage a boxer, I'm not registered as his manager, we're just uh handshake guys.
01:33:46.000Um so I was really mad at them for um not uh discussing it and making it a contract that said if you ever do anything as terrible as that ever again, we're gonna forcefully sell your shares.
01:34:00.000So I couldn't look at them for like five days.
01:34:03.000I worked from home for five days, and then uh I was doing bumps with my Negro friend Derek in the bathroom at a party at a bar party, and Shane tried to come in, and uh Derek was like, Shane's trying to get in, and I was like, uh and I pushed the door closed.
01:34:22.000That was a hundred million dollar push, where Shane in his mind was just like shh, he's dead to me.
01:34:32.000So the drinking the bottle of whiskey was after that.
01:34:35.000But when I pushed that door closed, he was like, You're dead to me.
01:34:39.000And I think it's because his childhood, my dad was actually his dad's boss.
01:34:45.000And there was this bizarre project in the Caribbean where Computing Devices Canada was doing a contract, and there's like black pussy everywhere, and there's there's these boomers.
01:34:59.000Boomers were really into infidelity, right?
01:35:02.000So they were like, uh, I think his dad was like, he sees all this black pussy, and he's like, hey, uh Glenda, like to his wife, let's have an open relationship.
01:35:13.000And she's a farm girl from like southwestern Ontario, so she's like, okay, whatever that is.
01:35:19.000So she starts boning like black tennis instructors with giant dreads who were like ripping her pussy to shreds, and uh, he can't get laid to save his life.
01:35:32.000She uh she remarries some super nice, awesome guy who's like a good boy, like Hank Hill from King of the Hill with the mustache, and Shane hates him, and they get into a fight, and he's like, I'm the boss of this house now.
01:36:20.000And I think Shane grew up like just seeing women as second-class citizens, but also having this like line in the sand, like if you F me over, you're dead to me.
01:36:30.000How uh how did you guys make so much money?
01:36:33.000Like in the early days before like that they cashed you out for 10 million, you said?
01:36:36.000Shane was just unbelievable at CEO whispering.
01:36:42.000One thing like your guess is as good as mine.
01:36:44.000But one theory I have is CEOs are all nerds and losers, and we were like the cool guys.
01:36:50.000He would call the CEOs on Saturdays and be like, hey man, we're going to this like party in Austin by the water, and there's gonna be a bunch of chicks there.
01:37:00.000If and the CEO is like, but you're not benefiting from this meeting, and they'd come down and they're like little Lululemon shorts, and they were thrilled that Shane put them on the map.
01:37:11.000Yeah, got to hang out with the cool kids.
01:37:13.000You got to hang out with the cool kids.
01:37:23.000So back in the early days, um, most of our clients were record labels, and the people who ran record labels, as far as ad sales go, were women, and they would want sex for ads.
01:39:45.000Yeah, so there was uh one one moment, I think it was when I was there that uh there was a news story was written about how he won 300 grand gambling.
01:39:52.000Yeah, and everyone was like, There's a picture of him with all this money, and I was like, guys, how much did he spend?
01:40:38.000You know, it's it's called and you know what?
01:40:40.000With sales guys, um, selective memory is very effective because they go, No, your product sucks, no, your product sucks, no and when people say that to me, I'm like, F you, my product rules.
01:40:51.000You want to fight you know what the secret to sales is?
01:40:53.000Uh you just try to you just imitate the other person.
01:40:56.000Well, you can also take no for an answer.
01:41:51.000And I just I don't I don't have that DNA.
01:41:54.000You go to a meeting with someone, and you can just see it in their face and their body, and before you even make the pitch, you go, I can tell it's a waste of time.
01:42:28.000But uh, we're gonna read what you guys have to say, and uh join our Discord server at Timcast.com.
01:42:34.000Uh, you got to heard uh you got to hear Gavin beg me to quit and uh me explain why I wouldn't.
01:42:40.000So if you think I should not quit, then the most important thing in the world is that you guys join us at Timcast.com in the Discord server because uh I do have a kid and we're having we're we're we're already planning when we're having our next kid.
01:43:17.000It's not so uh I need you to uh support the work we do if you do, and we're gonna try and figure out how to uh make it all sustainable and keep the community going when uh I don't end up in the ER again.
01:43:29.000I think that's The other reality that I think everyone should should consider.
01:43:32.000I ended up in the hospital and had to go to urgent care a week after that because I was still pretty messed up.
01:43:38.000There is a reality to be turning 40 in I think seven months.
01:43:49.000And uh when I first started doing all of this in my late 20s, my recovery time was less than a day.
01:43:56.000I could I could go out and skate for eight hours and and get a heart rate over 200 and be drenched in sweat and do it every single day nonstop.
01:44:05.000I was in New York during Occupy, and I'd be we I I once we went from the financial district to the Bronx and back in one day during these protests, and it's just what you did.
01:44:13.000And now I'm almost 40, and I'm like, I can do that once a week, maybe.
01:44:17.000So the challenge is, and this is in all seriousness.
01:44:20.000Yeah, I'm starting to realize that 16-hour days my recovery time.
01:44:24.000My goal is to get you down in two hours.
01:44:38.000Um we're uh working, we're figuring it out.
01:44:41.000But uh in the meantime, support the community and help us create something that will create a permanent foundation, and uh, we're gonna read your chance.
01:44:48.000We got uh Shane H Wilder says, Hey Tim and Phil.
01:44:51.000Tim, Phil and I uh I'm sorry, hey Tim, Phil and I discussed gathering up Du Boys for a new crusade, liberating the UK and making our way to Jerusalem.
01:44:58.000I know Tate and Surge would be down, but are you in?
01:45:01.000I dude, I would love to conquer the United United Kingdom.
01:45:05.000And you know, you know, I tweeted that, and then Carl Benjamin said Americans need to know how unpopular is when they say this.
01:46:04.000There's just endless amounts of videos like this, and I'm like, the pendulum has swung so hard in the other direction that Instagram is not even taking any action against these channels.
01:46:13.000So we'll we'll we'll talk about that, but let's read more your more your uh your chats.
01:49:35.000I wasn't gonna drop the stats during the show, but uh it said um West Virginia was rated second among the states of intermarriage with uh your cousin's illegal.
01:49:44.000But there's a deal, it's legal and it's a pattern.
01:50:50.000They they found so you know, you you understand this, like what you know, at a certain point you buy property, you obfuscate the ownership, you know.
01:51:03.000But uh yeah You know what's weird when you have a really good uh uh home address and it's solid, someone comes to your house as a friend, and then they send you like shorts with a penis on the front.
01:54:03.000Eddie Wang, he's a compulsive liar, which ironically I think he got from Shane, and he was like, it got shut down because I'm not about the bib is in Gaza.
01:54:15.000Because the distributor works with software that helps Israel.
01:54:20.000All right, I'm making a movie about Vice.
01:54:52.000When when uh so uh all I can tell you is they so the you remember the Brooklyn building, the white building is at two entrance on both sides in in Williamsburg.
01:55:12.000And uh then they built like sue editing stuff uh editing stuff.
01:55:15.000Well, while I was there, they knocked the wall out in the front on the uh this would have been the north side of the building, and they took over the rest of the building.
01:55:23.000Then there was another area where there were stairs that went up to a small room and a secret wall that opened up into a hidden room.
01:56:28.000But so, you know, they had these uh glass rooms for meetings, and when Google came, they went into the big glass conference room, and you could see them in there doing their things.
01:58:28.000This is what I never understood about the movie where uh you know it's it's Hugo Weaving playing V. He's like, a great man wanted to uh to remind all of us what it meant.
01:58:36.000I'm like, no, he wanted a theocratic government.
02:01:55.000Anyway, anyway, to the point, this is it's a literal fact that the founding fathers are meeting at pubs and they were having beers and they were pissed off about what the crown was doing.
02:02:02.000The American Revolution happened because they were learning gun training and they were the at the public house and they got no one would come.
02:02:10.000So they go, okay, how about free beer?
02:02:12.000So they would have they'd get their beers, then they do the gun training after, and they started talking like, why are we paying all these taxes to a king?
02:02:19.000So drunken rants at a bar is why you have America.
02:02:26.000Keep attacking me for my elimination appearance.
02:02:30.000We are gonna go to the uncensored portion portion of the show over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
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02:02:51.000And I have put up a video today talking about oh, you guys want to watch this one.
02:02:55.000Uh YouTube's not too keen on sharing it, but there's a viral video going around of of these German guys in France talking about how France ain't French no more.
02:05:37.000Because he said that the cats in New Zealand are killing off all the indigenous animals and that they should they should neuter them all so they can't reproduce and then let cats die off.
02:05:46.000And then they were like, You want to kill a kids?
02:05:48.000And he was like, I don't want to kill anyone's kids.
02:05:51.000And then kids and kids became melded together and he went to jail.
02:05:56.000I had to uh the reason the reason why I interviewed Gareth Morgan is because I was actually there to interview Kim.com.
02:06:01.000But because New Zealand's so small, they're like, if you get to the border and say you're gonna interview Kim.com, it's gonna cause problems.
02:06:06.000So you're actually also gonna interview Gareth Morgan, so when you get there, say you're interviewing Gareth Morgan, and maybe Kim.com.
02:06:12.000That's a different lesson, by the way, in media.
02:07:19.000Yeah, so that so see, I got I got backup on this one.
02:07:22.000The editor said that uh in the edit, you because it's all the raw footage, the filmer is like, hey, there's no actual radioactive animals here.
02:07:33.000What are we gonna how are we gonna how are we gonna film this?
02:07:36.000And Shane on camera says, we're gonna make it happen.
02:07:41.000That was that's what I was told by then.
02:07:43.000Like get someone in a wolf costume to go and like apparent apparently what they did was they print they they film one shot where they pretend to shoot, then they get footage later on from someone else who has wild wilderness footage of an animal, and then you edit it together so it looks like they did.
02:08:01.000That's actually better than the North Korean shit, which was in North Korea, you're only allowed to do what you're allowed to do.
02:08:09.000So the whole like we did the sex pistols at karaoke, and we uh f what I heard from their handler was they were just they were just fucking prostitutes, and he was grabbing their wallets and hiding them so the prostitutes wouldn't rob them.
02:08:40.000He he married his uh intern, one of the interns.
02:08:42.000Yeah, he impregnated one too many girls and she didn't agree to the abortion, so she uh is that really what happened?
02:08:49.000Yeah, you know, Eddie Wang came to my studio and he was like, uh, you're the best guy in the world, you're a living god.
02:08:57.000Everyone I talk to says that you were the backbone of vice.
02:09:01.000And I'm like, I can't help but agree, man.
02:09:05.000I'm enjoying where we're going with this.
02:09:07.000And then he started doing interviews, and he goes, uh, yeah, the guy's a fucking Nazi, he's a nightmare.
02:09:14.000I was gonna beat the shit out of him, but I saw it.
02:09:17.000I the only way I could I know I can't do that, I'll go to jail because I'm a tough guy from the Bronx.
02:09:21.000No, you're a rich kid from Florida with lawyers.
02:09:24.000Do you remember when uh this was like 20 2013, I guess, 2014?
02:09:29.000Well, I don't know if it was uh who it was, I don't know, name the wrong guy, but uh he had a podcast, and I think it was the Facebook guy.
02:10:03.000And then he he sent me another message going getting excited, waiting for your response.
02:10:08.000And I'm like, I don't I want he wanted an essay of me explaining him.
02:10:12.000The story he told on his podcast was that he was getting a massage and he grabbed the masseuse by the back of the neck and jammed her head onto his dick and forced her to blow him.
02:10:22.000And and it, and this was on YouTube, and it made became a huge scandal.
02:10:26.000And so uh I was sitting in uh Eddie's office and they were talking about it, and uh I was like, I think you probably just want to cut this guy off.
02:10:39.000I'm I'm like, I don't know why you guys want to absorb any damage from this guy.
02:11:17.000Here's here's here's here's a fun story.
02:11:18.000Um there's uh so one of the reasons that I was upset with Vice was uh I'm actually sitting at the table with Gareth Morgan right here, and I did a handful of documentaries, many of them were huge.
02:11:28.000I did their Ukraine coverage, we got like five million views.
02:11:30.000I did their Brazil coverage, got like five million.
02:11:32.000The Kim.com documentaries got like eight or whatever, I don't know what it's got.
02:11:36.000So I was actually hitting it out of the park for them on their docs, and I said to uh the producers, I was like, guys, the docs I'm doing for you are fucking some of the biggest you've done in a long time.
02:11:56.000The first, I will gladly and willfully admit I was inexperienced, so we had tried shooting some, and they were like, you need to get more character in your delivery.
02:12:07.000You're a news guy, like you're on the ground saying, so here we are, X, Y, and Z is happening.
02:12:15.000So I uh what I'm saying is I'm not gonna pretend like a dude who's never done a doc before is is gonna kick the door in and getting on HBO.
02:12:21.000Granted, again, the the North Korean motorcycle diaries, six million views, and I was the one who interviewed the guy, got the footage, brought it back, they edit it together.
02:12:57.000I said, uh D's I said, I'll tell you what, you send me, you send me to they they they were we had we had a plan to go into Eritrea, and I we were gonna we were gonna try and ride on back a motorcycle into Eritrea, like real fucked up shit.
02:13:10.000And they were like, you might die doing it.
02:13:12.000Do I have to talk a recognition if you put me uh you might die, but if you're white, then it won't matter.
02:13:19.000So I actually had this conversation with them and they said HBO wants uh men of color and females, and so it's hard for us to put you on the schedule with a duck.
02:13:28.000Wow, but we'll we'll we'll push for it.
02:13:32.000And so I I've got like seriously, the Ukraine coverage we did.
02:13:37.000I'm like, how the fuck did that not make the cut?
02:13:39.000It was the it was the start of the Ukraine civil war at the Euro My Dan protest.
02:13:57.000I had three meetings, and I say three strikes here.
02:13:58.000I had three meetings with uh Shane and uh uh and Eddie, and I was like, listen, when I came here, I told you guys I was foregoing like I I had like a $250,000 offer, and I took 85k to work at Vice in exchange for them giving me a budget and funding to produce documentaries.
02:14:19.000I will I will come work for you guys for cheap.
02:14:22.000If the money that you you'd actually be paying me goes towards the production of documentaries, it's a win-win for both of us because you're not losing any extra money.
02:14:30.000I'm using that money towards production, saves saves taxes for my for me.
02:14:34.000The business model of Vice was zero dollars.
02:14:37.000Yeah, but they could have paid me a lot more.
02:14:39.000And uh I basically said, listen, give me a salary that allows me to live to start, but get me X amount of documents, X amount of time.
02:16:48.000One woman said she was writing a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a coworker suddenly took her hand and put on her crotch.
02:16:53.000She felt pressure in a sexual relationship with an executive and was fired after she rejected him.
02:17:01.000Oh, yeah, this is the big expose, right?
02:17:02.000Jason Mohica, the former head of Vice News was fired last month.
02:17:05.000Miss Veltroni, oh yeah, earlier this month, settled settled for an unmount with Martina uh Martina Veltroni, a former employee, claimed that a supervisor retaliated against against her after they had a sexual relationship among other allegations.
02:17:18.000Everybody knew that they were banging.
02:17:20.000Uh so anyway, this guy was a fucking idiot.
02:17:22.000And um, evidence, look where he is and look where I am.
02:17:26.000And so I was getting pissed off because I went, I I look, I'm I'm dealing with Eddie and Shane directly because I know what the fuck I'm talking about, and I know what was working and what wasn't.
02:17:34.000And so when I go to them and say, here's what we have to do to get from point A to point B. And then Shane goes, Jason, you're in charge, get it done.
02:17:42.000And then Jason turns around when Shane walks away and he goes, I'm not doing any of that shit.
02:17:46.000And I said, then don't fucking waste my time.
02:17:48.000And then I went into a meeting with Shane, he was in the screening room, and I said, Jason isn't getting the job done, and I'm not going to waste my time.
02:17:57.000Shane gets pissed, and he goes, Jason, get the fucking job done.
02:18:18.000But I feel good in that every fucking thing I told them to do that they did not execute on, I have done and succeeded at doing.
02:18:26.000And if they had listened to me for one fucking second, the company would still be worth billions of dollars.
02:18:31.000Uh to be fair, I think everything I have would be tenfold because under the expansion that they could have afforded in the pro and and the management, we could have probably done a lot more because I suck at management, but they didn't listen, and everything I'm doing, I told them to do.
02:18:48.000This is like late 2013, maybe early 2014.
02:18:51.000Each of them has experience on the ground covering all of these big stories that are going viral and hitting the front page of Reddit and getting millions of views.
02:18:58.000You need to get one camera producer to sit down, point the camera at their face, and tell them talk and just literally publish a podcast.
02:19:16.000What happens is Fusion, I get a call from recruiter, and they said, How would you like to work for a new venture started by Univision and ABC?
02:19:24.000We want to be it, we're aiming to capture that energy of Vice.
02:20:26.000And he goes, Okay, let me uh go back to the office, uh, have a have a meeting, and then I'll call you next week.
02:20:33.000And I said, You write me a check right now, I will show up first thing on Monday to Vice and tell them I quit.
02:20:39.000And then the president and the CEO looked at each other and they were like, give me a minute.
02:20:43.000Got on the phone, sat down, and then he wrote down on a notepad uh number and he slid it across the table and he's like, How's that sound?
02:20:49.000And it was 200,000 cash on the spot and 250k per year for two uh two years, plus three hundred thousand per year uh production budget plus twenty five thousand per year discretionary budget plus uh three staff members.
02:22:21.000But uh I got cash, and then I when I when I left, I basically had all the money saved.
02:22:25.000So everything I made, I basically saved it all, and then I started doing what I told Volfusion and Vice to do, and I started doing field field reporting, vlogging, podcasting built up, and now I have a company, and here's where we are, and we succeeded.
02:22:39.000Granted, I'm not a multi-billion dollar enterprise considered the street vice is the street CNN like Vice was or anything like that, but I did well, and they should have listened to me.
02:22:46.000Let's bore everyone with the minutia of the staff.
02:22:49.000Um Eddie Moretti, who is like Shane's sidekick, great guy, great guy.
02:22:56.000He was like a film uh professor at MIU from Canada, not really meant for New York.
02:23:02.000He's not a survivor, he doesn't have thick skin, almost like a little Fabriger egg.
02:25:56.000Which I admire, but it's not so when he tried to be a pop culture dude, it just didn't fly.
02:26:02.000Remember this is a separate topic, sort of, but remember Michael Moynihan, he was a bona fide journalist, and he came aboard and he was like, No, we you can't say that that happened without a source.
02:26:18.000And then sh and then he was rehired later.
02:26:21.000And I saw recently he was with this guy we call Babyballs, Thomas Morton on a podcast, and their whole podcast was like, Am I a racist or not?
02:27:04.000I I had a great time on Bill Mars show.
02:27:07.000You know, I went on uh Club Random and uh we got along swimmingly and um you know we'll we'll we'll we'll try to get him on the show at some point.
02:27:16.000But yeah, Bill Bill uh his whole his whole network shut down, unfortunately.
02:27:45.000Hey that you only took him ten years to figure it out.
02:27:48.000Uh I had hit him up, he said he said he'd have me on, and uh I thought that'd be interesting, but you know, not after this, I guarantee it.