00:02:30.000Joe Kent, the Trump official who resigned, it is now being revealed he has been under FBI investigation predating his resignation for leaking classified information.
00:02:42.000Of course, this is particularly interesting considering the narrative that we heard during, just after his resignation, was that he had been removed from intelligence briefings and was uninvolved in the goings-on with this war.
00:02:54.000There were rumors that his resignation was largely due to a professional dispute, notably that he had been slighted by the administration.
00:03:01.000He was ousted, and thus he's going to resign and say this is the reason.
00:03:04.000However, the anti-interventionists are saying it's a principled response to a war of aggression.
00:03:10.000Well, based on this new information that he's been under investigation predating his resignation, assuming that's true, I think it says a lot more to what is currently going on.
00:03:17.000And there are questions about whether or not he was the one who was leaking these group texts.
00:03:21.000So we're going to have to get into all of this.
00:03:22.000And you know, we originally were going to lead with, I think, something a bit more interesting in the domestic area, and that is the progressive Democrats in Illinois got blown out completely.
00:03:33.000And the corporate press is celebrating.
00:03:35.000Washington Post saying that the people of Illinois are not prepared to walk off the cliff just yet.
00:03:41.000So it looks like perhaps woke is broke, or at least the online version of it.
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00:07:06.000Former National Counterterrorism Center Director Joe Kent is under FBI investigation for allegedly leaking classified information.
00:07:12.000Sources tell Semaphore adding the probe began before his departure.
00:07:16.000So let me just start by saying I've got my ear to the ground.
00:07:20.000As many of you know, we have friends who have been on the show and are now in the administration.
00:07:24.000So friends in the administration as well as members of Congress and their staff.
00:07:28.000And I've been hearing some rumblings in the Beltway.
00:07:31.000The rumors that I heard from people that are much more loyal to Trump is that Joe Kent was leaking classified information, at least that's the allegation, and was ousted from these meetings.
00:07:41.000So they basically booted him out and said, this guy's no good.
00:07:45.000He felt, at least this is, again, the perception, slighted personally and professionally, and that from the view, again, this is all just rumors.
00:07:55.000They don't think that Joe Kent is truly motivated by the issue of Israel or Iran, and that it's more personal, and that he's using this as a means to slight professionally an administration that he felt had wronged him.
00:08:11.000Considering we've got past comments and tweets from Joe Kent about the severity of the threat from Iran, I think this is why many people believe this may be the case.
00:08:21.000That being said, he appeared on Tucker Carlson recently and talked about what he thought was the real issue, and that was that Israel had pressured us into this war, and that he was not in favor of that.
00:08:31.000It's what he wrote in his resignation letter.
00:08:33.000He's being hailed as a principled man who stood up for what is right, pushing back on the Israel lobby.
00:08:40.000So I'm not entirely sure what is going on, but what I can say is this reporting is that he's been under investigation before he actually resigned.
00:08:47.000So that lends itself to the he was, he's presumed to be the leaker.
00:08:52.000Again, we don't know that he is, but I think you were mentioning, you looked it up, he was involved in those leaked group texts.
00:10:44.000Well, they could maybe, but like, I just the timing is, I guess when it comes to breaking news, the timing could suggest two separate things.
00:10:53.000And I think your bias would make you want to go in one direction or the other.
00:10:56.000But the reality is he was kicked out of what meetings?
00:10:59.000The intel briefings on terrorism pertaining to Iran.
00:11:23.000We don't know if that's what was leaked.
00:11:24.000Well, even Goldberg said it was an assistant.
00:11:27.000Are you under the belief that the Trump administration is creating an FBI investigation right now that they're going to create documents with past dated?
00:11:45.000It's so breaking news that I probably would be cautious to make any argument.
00:11:48.000My question here is, though, we have an administration that regularly punishes people who step out of line and are no longer sycophantic, right?
00:11:56.000And so he makes this major public declaration, basically signaling a MAGA schism.
00:12:02.000It led to you making that post, right, about how the MAGA coalition is falling apart.
00:12:06.000And then suddenly a day later, well, now the FBI is public about the fact that they're investigating him, but actually it was from before, right?
00:12:14.000I'm like, if I wanted to besmirch somebody who stepped out of line in a big public way and punish them, this might be one of the ways that I do it.
00:12:31.000If the argument is that he was under FBI investigation, resigned, so then someone in the FBI contacted a journalist in Semaphore and said, look, he's been under investigation.
00:12:41.000It could be a couple of, it could be very simple.
00:12:43.000No one asked because he was otherwise unremarkable.
00:12:47.000So a journalist from Semaphore makes a call to the contacts that she has in the FBI and the DOJ and says, I mean, honestly, here's what I think happened.
00:12:55.000The dude resigns and says it's over Israel.
00:12:58.000Immediately we heard from the Trump administration, like Carolyn Levitt, people were putting out like, well, he was, you know, presumed to be a leaker anyway.
00:14:23.000Considering there was an FBI investigation into him predating his resignation and the rumors that I'm hearing from the Beltway is he was doing his job.
00:14:31.000He was excited to be a part of the administration.
00:14:40.000Either whatever the issue is started leaking or something, got iced out from these meetings, and they decided to resign because he was basically in golden handcuffs.
00:14:48.000You know, I think a lot of people who have worked in offices, either in a managerial level or in a non-managerial level, have talked with somebody who is upset with their place of work and then wants to lash out, either justified or not.
00:15:04.000Again, I'm not saying it's true because I don't know.
00:15:06.000I'm just saying what I hear from those that are loyal to Trump, and of course you can argue they're biased, is that this guy, for whatever reason, was no good.
00:15:15.000He got pissed off because he thought that he should be in these meetings.
00:15:19.000And so he was having a tantrum and then resigned and said, yeah, well, you know, Israel made you do it, despite the fact he's been talking about Iran being in conflict with us for a long time.
00:15:29.000I suppose the other argument is he came to his senses, was granted access to information where he realized Iran is not a threat to the United States, that Israel is forcing our hand, and then in a truly dignified and righteous stance, stood up and said, I will not be party to this administration.
00:15:45.000I'm just going to add the reason why I don't think that's likely is because they already booted him.
00:15:48.000So for him to be like, I'm resigning, it's like, yeah, they already kicked you out of the meetings.
00:15:56.000Like, well, according to the administration, not my sources, but publicly stated, he was no longer involved in these meetings.
00:16:03.000And now we're learning that he was under FBI investigation the whole time.
00:16:07.000That's indicative of there was a problem with his work before he decided to quit.
00:16:11.000So the questions I would have is: okay, well, when the Jeffrey Goldberg stuff happens, I would hope that almost everyone in that signal chat is under investigation because they should look at all the people involved and go, who here is responsible for this leak, right?
00:16:25.000So one of the questions I would have is: if he's involved in this investigation, how many other people are also listed as people in the investigation?
00:16:32.000And did they experience the same icing that he did?
00:17:24.000Mass formation psychosis around Israel.
00:17:26.000And I know, I just, I'm so sick of talking about it, but Joe Kent's resignation has to do with Israel.
00:17:30.000An overemphasis on Israel in foreign policy, overlooking like that Joe Biden was involved in the Barisma scandal.
00:17:37.000All of a sudden, it's Israel and the people just ignore this.
00:17:39.000Or the cutter-turkey pipeline, which I talk about ad nauseum.
00:17:42.000And all of the past 20 years of foreign policy we've discussed on the show, you have prominent personalities there building a massive base by creating a singular enemy by demagoguing and saying Israel's done everything.
00:17:54.000So it could be as simple as, and I don't want to say this is exactly what you're saying, but you can clarify after I finish my point, if this is correct.
00:18:02.000But my view is that it is a strong possibility.
00:18:05.000Joe Kent getting booted from his meetings.
00:18:07.000He's reading the room and he's like, look, Candace Owens is getting gangbusters views.
00:18:10.000Megan, Kelly, Tucker, Carlson, MAGA is not.
00:18:26.000I think that there's a decent probability there because of what we have seen with the likes of Megan Kelly, Candace, Tucker, Carlson, Jimmy Dore, and many.
00:18:35.000Well, to be fair, Jimmy is not a conservative, but many people on the right have just dramatically shifted from being anti-woke to anti-Israel.
00:18:56.000And I will say this, there's a lot of money in it.
00:18:59.000So, hey, look, if we wanted money, if we wanted to get, you know, 120,000 current viewers, just like old Candace Owens did, we can sit here and rag on Israel.
00:19:05.000But I don't think that's correct information, unfortunately.
00:19:07.000I think it's very interesting looking at what's happening to the right because I think the left experienced this type of same kind of populist wave takeover and then the problems that fall out as a ramification of kind of that unholy union, right?
00:19:18.000So on the right, we've got this populist alt-right, which Joe Kent was somewhat attached to before because when he was getting confirmed, right, that was the Democrats' biggest issue with him is claiming this guy's altruist.
00:19:31.000And so him now continuing in that trajectory as we see this right populist, America-first isolationist kind of zeitgeist getting more popular isn't overly surprising to me.
00:19:42.000And I think part of the problem is that MAGA really shook hands with these populist further right people and were like, we're the same guys.
00:19:49.000Even though I was like, neocons are not the same as Nick Funtes.
00:19:54.000But the current trend that we're seeing with like Candace Megan Kelly and what I refer to as like the Israel posters, like Jimmy Doerr is a good example of this.
00:20:02.000He's not a nationalist, America First guy, but he's posting all about Erica Kirk and Israel quite a bit.
00:20:08.000There are many leftists who are on the same page.
00:20:11.000Anna Kasperian of the Young Turks talks about how she watches Candace Noins now.
00:20:28.000And so there is a distinction between the America First and the anti-Israel America first.
00:20:35.000There are people who, I would argue as a predominantly disfected liberal or libertarian, that don't want to fund Israel, but Israel isn't their boogeyman for every single issue.
00:20:45.000They're more concerned with border security and the U.S. economy and not spending money on Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, whatever country it may be.
00:20:52.000But then there's a group of people that are just like, nothing matters but Israel.
00:20:55.000And we've had them on this show and like you could ask them about like, there is a raw bar that sells oysters and then they'll immediately somehow turn it into Israel.
00:21:14.000I'd be like, well, because when I was in Israel and then you're just flipping the table over, like, what does that have to do with anything?
00:21:19.000So I have a lot of conspiracy theories, I suppose, or theories on this.
00:21:24.000One I would say is that it's potentially just an emergent phenomenon without the constraints of, well, I would say not with constraints because the progressives don't like Israel either.
00:21:39.000But you are seeing on X, people will get thousands of retweets when they just blame the Jews for something.
00:21:47.000And I think this has to do with the foreigners that are operating bot accounts that we know they are.
00:21:52.000There are a lot of anti-Israel countries in this world.
00:21:54.000There's a lot of Muslim nations in this world that don't like Israel.
00:21:59.000And then if you're an American influencer and you make a post and you get 10,000 retweets, you're going to do it again because these people are just like, wow, this must be what people like.
00:22:10.000I think I'm going to tell you what I think is true based on the facts and not based on what is going to get the most views.
00:22:16.000And sometimes that means we won't get that many views, but at least we'll be more likely to be correct.
00:22:22.000I'm curious, though, you know, I know you may just be a former actor guy, but following all of this stuff and seeing this shift and what people refer to as the mega civil war, whatever, like, what is your take on all this?
00:22:34.000Well, I think that, well, firstly, talk about Joe Kent, right?
00:22:37.000I think what is disappointing for me about that is that he was held in such high regard by so many people and so many people that I know that served with him.
00:22:47.000And that's been very disappointing to me that when you resign, you have to burn the bridges.
00:22:52.000Like, can't you just resign like the way it used to be and just go off and say, thank you very much.
00:22:59.000I think exactly what you said as well, that it would make sense that if the FBI was investigating him earlier on, that maybe it got to a point where it was a problem for national security.
00:23:10.000So we couldn't be in those meetings just by necessity if he's being investigated.
00:23:14.000So it makes sense to me that he was being investigated before.
00:23:18.000As far as the groups are concerned, I feel that, and we spoke about this earlier on, that the left has been trying to balkanize us for a long time.
00:23:31.000And we've kind of resisted it to a degree.
00:23:34.000And over the past few months, I'd say, it really has been moving into those directions.
00:23:41.000like people feel like they have to have a take.
00:23:44.000You know, they have to, you either you hate Israel or you love Israel.
00:23:47.000You can't like say, well, as you just said, well, listen, I don't want to fund them.
00:23:52.000But I see, I can look here and see that Americas and Israels have similar goals in this, so they join for this.
00:24:01.000Nobody makes the argument about Saudi Arabia and all the other Gulf or all these other Arab countries coming together.
00:24:08.000You never see someone saying, well, you're doing Saudi Arabia's bidding ever.
00:24:32.000I don't know who's funding it, but Google certainly knows what's going on.
00:24:37.000They know that their algorithm props up people who break the rules.
00:24:39.000So the only assumption one could make is that they want it to happen for whatever reason.
00:24:46.000Whatever conspiracy theory you may think of.
00:24:49.000I think it's always, this is like one of the worst things about evil or wrongdoing is that so often it's banal in its purposes.
00:24:57.000Like, why does Google maybe allow certain algorithms to be overtaken, probably by Russian and Chinese bots that are trying to sell like dissidents amongst our democracy?
00:25:09.000As long as they have sufficient plausible deniability, they can get away with it because there isn't really great rules about the internet because it's kind of the wild west.
00:25:18.000It doesn't always have to be this like string puppeteer at the top.
00:25:21.000Oftentimes it's really simple machinations of like wanting money and having enough plausible deniability to get away with it, right?
00:25:29.000Like every con man's line is, if I wasn't conning people, somebody else would be, right?
00:25:35.000The crazy thing about it is when I ask people, you know, if, you know, why is Candace Owens on the front page of YouTube?
00:25:44.000When you open a new account, why is she a recommended personality?
00:25:47.000Certainly, right, she has broken many of the rules and she's being sued for a lot of these things.
00:25:53.000There's specific rules against brigading and targeting personalities or making accusations and things like that that people have gotten strikes for.
00:26:00.000Other people have gotten their channels outright deleted without warning for doing less than she's done.
00:26:05.000And when I bring this up to people, they say it's because the Jews want it to happen.
00:26:10.000They say they want to be hated to bring on the Messianic era, which I suppose the argument then is the Jews are propping up Candace Owens for the purpose of fulfilling their whims, which means Candace Owens' anti-Israel content and Candace Owens herself are a function of Israel's desires.
00:26:28.000Maybe the real point is just to make sure none of it makes sense.
00:26:31.000And my view of what's currently going on based on the conversations I've had, and I know I've said this 800,000 times for the sake of the guests here, the big networks, you know, CBS, HBO, whatever, NBC, they are looking to buy up prominent shows.
00:26:46.000And the path, like where we are going is YouTube is being dominated by AI-generated slop content.
00:26:52.000There's more and more videos videos popping up explaining how to make slop content, interviews in prominent news outlets with people who do it saying in two hours, you can make 500 videos per day and make 100,000 per month.
00:27:06.000And so what that's going to do is just massively flood the zone.
00:27:10.000Independent channels without the ability to be on top of the mountain of the broadcast tower will get drowned out.
00:27:15.000They will not be able to make a living doing these things and they will be relegated to small back corners of the internet.
00:27:21.000Then the networks are going to buy out the shows they view to be compelling, put them on their apps, and then you're going to have 10 big shows in politics and it's going to go back to the way things used to be where you had CNN with 10 million views per night and no one watched anything but Anderson Cooper or,
00:27:38.000you know, at the time you still had Hannity and Rachel Maddow centralizing all views within a small handful of people where they may disagree on certain issues, but they all agree on basically the most important things, which is largely war.
00:27:52.000You think we'll go back like the genies out of it.
00:27:54.000It's going to be all with the internet video.
00:27:55.000I don't, I mean, maybe humans could be, could be lulled back to sleep, but I don't know.
00:28:01.000Maybe part of us, some of us will, and then there'll be a resistance that's a free network.
00:28:05.000No, I think what we've seen with many of these YouTubers that are willing to talk about Candace Owens, I think they've proven it to anyone with eyes.
00:28:14.000These people never had a genuine opinion.
00:28:17.000They were just making videos about what they thought would make them money.
00:28:20.000And so take a look at the individuals who make video after video about Erica Kirk's pants or whatever, you know, or like the look on her face because she did an interview and they're just like, look at her face.
00:28:31.000Like, why is her face looking like that?
00:28:33.000And I'm like, literally nothing's happening in the video, but they know they're going to get a ton of views.
00:28:36.000Or that guy who went to a shopping center and said, why is Turning Point paying fees to an LLC in a parking lot when he knew full well he was in front of a UPS store with mailboxes where it is presumed the LLCs were registered to.
00:28:51.000These people just say whatever they have to say to make money.
00:28:53.000And that's been the argument for a long time.
00:29:00.000Well, yeah, when Google bought YouTube, I was making videos on YouTube 2007 and I was like, well, here we go.
00:29:05.000Get ready for the corporatization of communication.
00:29:08.000And then a bunch of my friends started getting really rich doing maker studios and like all they would sit and watch the analytics and they're like, they started calling it content.
00:29:29.000Not just the money, but it became heavily about the money and being the, I mean, relevancy is one thing, but the money, when Google got that money in there, it's not that, I mean, I don't think you started doing this, Tim, for money.
00:30:26.000And if they don't get enough likes, they delete it and then post a new one.
00:30:29.000And they get depressed when their metrics go down.
00:30:32.000One thing I've pointed out quite a bit is that you will get YouTubers, and you can look throughout history of YouTube, that will have like breakdown videos where they're crying, saying, I just can't do this anymore.
00:30:43.000And all you got to do is look at their past several videos, and you'll almost always see like 1 million views, 900,000 views, 700,000 views, 400,000 views, mental breakdown video.
00:30:57.000And it's because it's a normal human thing where they feel like I am fighting as hard as I can, but no matter what I do, I'm failing.
00:31:05.000Instead of just making videos because they have something to talk about and they want to talk about something, they're actually feeling more and more depressed because they're not getting views anymore.
00:31:14.000It's a sad cycle because the more miserable you get, the less interesting you are to watch.
00:31:17.000So the people that get sad about being sad and then their views go down and they're sad about that, which makes the views even worse.
00:31:26.000When they make the, I'm dying and I can't do this anymore video, they get 10 million views and then YouTube boosts them in the algorithm again.
00:31:32.000They make another video and they're back to getting a million views and they're like, you know what?
00:31:39.000You're right about the relevancy obsession.
00:31:41.000Yeah, PewDiePie just put a video talking about algorithm brain and how everyone's being made to be retarded by these social media algorithms.
00:31:50.000And he actually made a few good points.
00:31:51.000He said, get a separate device for browsing social media and don't make an account.
00:31:55.000Just always use like a private browser or use a device not yours so that none of your apps, none of your emails, nothing is connected to it.
00:32:03.000Otherwise, they're going to start manipulating you to see things they want you to see, which is creepy, but that's the way it works.
00:32:08.000So stop chasing the algorithm and that growth for the sake of growth is cancer or can become cancerous.
00:32:13.000Corporations, the ethos of we must expand for the, I think that's going to change too, because a corporation that just grows for the sake of growth ends up overtaking itself and strangling out its own system.
00:32:24.000sustainable corporations man that their whole sole purpose is to sustain the environment and if you can live like that as a creator too it's not about you mean like a generic environment like just the system that they've built is to sustain itself Yeah, to sustain the luxury and the beauty that's provided for you to create what you're, you know.
00:32:41.000This is why nonprofits don't work because the function of a nonprofit should be to put itself out of business.
00:32:46.000But have a 20-year-old nonprofit with an executive director who signed on three years ago who makes $200,000 a year and he's going to be like, I don't want to lose my job.
00:33:45.000Now, to be fair, APAC did back a bunch of their opponents and then celebrate.
00:33:49.000But there's certainly a lot more to talk about than just APAC.
00:33:52.000If you want to talk about APAC, that's fine.
00:33:54.000But literally every point in this, like how many times, let's just do this.
00:33:59.00012 times in this article, look at this.
00:34:03.000It's so frustrating, too, because I'm very critical of APAC, but I'm critical of APAC for the same reason I'm critical of almost every single super PAC and carry committee, which is that I don't like unreported money and I don't like high power special interest lobby groups having so much capacity and weight in our elections, regardless of like what they're for, right?
00:34:24.000I don't want oil lobbyists just like funding and driving.
00:34:32.000I think they've been bad for a democracy.
00:34:34.000So what do you think it says about Illinois that the progressives lost?
00:34:39.000Is this an argument of APAC just spent enough money to crush them, or is it that most people don't like these progressive Democrats?
00:34:47.000I'd have to see what the funding differences were because a lot of people know that when you're running elections, funding makes a huge difference of who wins because a lot of election is just getting people to see your name and face, right?
00:35:00.000Because most voters are not that informed.
00:35:02.000Most voters aren't on Instagram looking for Kat and liking her stuff.
00:35:06.000And I think a lot of progressives are trying to take the Soron Mamdani, kind of Gavin Newsome social media strategy, and really trying to utilize alt media to campaign themselves.
00:35:14.000James Talarico did it really successfully as well.
00:35:17.000But I think one of the issues that they have to contend with is that if you have massive carry committees funding moderates and moderates will take it, because a lot of these people won't take PAC money or they'll take very limited PAC money, you just can't get your name out there, right?
00:35:30.000The reality is that a lot of elections are won by who spends the most.
00:35:34.000And sometimes there are breakout elections, but the statistical norm is that.
00:35:39.000Well, I suppose like an article like this, the progressives are going to make the arguments and they're going to rally a ton of support from conservatives that Israel interfered to stop the far left from losing.
00:35:49.000Then I imagine with articles like that, I mean, this is Axios, right?
00:35:52.000Axios is supposed to just be like plain old report in the news.
00:35:56.000They do lean liberal on a lot of issues, but certainly you can criticize APAC for funding candidates, but there are many other issues in this election.
00:36:04.000Notably, like Kat Abu Gazela, for instance, was arrested.
00:36:08.000That's going to sour her view to many individuals who live in Illinois.
00:36:13.000She's also Palestinian, pro-Palestine, critical of Israel in the most Jewish district in the state, I believe, in Evanston.
00:36:21.000So, again, that does play a role, but all they do is talk about APAC.
00:36:26.000What'll be interesting is I've made the arguments, half-jokingly, that the future of the left and the right will be anti- and pro-Israel.
00:36:35.000That you've got it's terrifying to think about.
00:36:39.000Yeah, I think what unifies the whatever this group is, the anti-Israel right with the left, and it's the issue of Israel.
00:36:50.000You could take Tucker Carlson and bring him on the Young Turks at this point, and they will get along perfectly.
00:36:57.000I mean, the fact that, like, Anna Kasparian says she's a fan of Candace and watches her show, so long as the issue is Israel, these people have come together and aren't really arguing these other issues anymore.
00:37:07.000And the reason why I say that the potential for the future of the left and right will be Israel, anti-Israel, is that you can take a look at the previous coalition for MAGA, which was disaffected liberals who were maybe like pro-progressive tax, but were now aligned with the Republican Party who was opposed to this because they were concerned about like gender dysphoria issues or critical race theory.
00:37:28.000Well, I think you know, you mentioned something earlier going back to when you said you know you're at a stage where you didn't have views and then you had views.
00:37:37.000And it's probably around the same time that the entertainment industry was getting more and more emboldened with the way that they wanted to influence culture.
00:37:47.000So if you look at something like this, where you've got 12 references to APAC in there, that's really obvious.
00:37:54.000I mean, all you've got to do is look at it and say, boom, So when you have someone else that's coming out and they're saying, hey, listen, I'm just telling you the way I think and I'm being reasonable and I'm not being swayed one way or the other by money or by bias.
00:38:07.000I'm just telling you the way I have, the way I am, there's an element of authenticity there.
00:38:12.000And I think that what you, what you, and I was just going back to talk about what you were saying earlier, that nobody trusts the mainstream media anymore.
00:38:54.000And I do think they'll do what you're saying.
00:38:57.000Certainly with the way that YouTube is moving with all the crap that's on there, that it's going to end up, they're going to come in and they're going to say, okay, well, I'm going to bring these people in and try and make them mainstream and make their own news organizations through it.
00:39:12.000And hopefully, you know, that might be a good thing in a way because you still have authenticity.
00:39:18.000Because if you think about it, like the YouTubers that have been a success have done it themselves.
00:39:37.000And so they kind of slotted into that.
00:39:39.000And when they started parroting the BS and everyone was like, hang on a second, like what?
00:39:44.000How did you, how did you come to that?
00:39:46.000It was rejected for more authentic people.
00:39:50.000I'm telling y'all right now, it's already happening.
00:39:54.000And the big networks know that like Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, this model is on the way out.
00:40:01.000People don't trust them anymore and their views are largely pumped up, but it's not organically sustaining itself.
00:40:07.000So Colbert can do well in terms of his videos, but it's because YouTube puts them up on the front page, default viewership, because he is Colbert, because it is, you know, NBC is CBS or NBC.
00:40:18.000These networks have a mandate right now to purchase authentic feeling podcasts.
00:40:24.000Fox News launched the Hennedy podcast, Hanging Out with Sean Hennedy, because they know they have to do this, otherwise they will cease to exist.
00:40:31.00070-year-olds, you know, a big component is the viewership of these channels is in their 70s.
00:40:39.000They're not getting the views in the key demo.
00:40:41.000So what's going to happen is there's going to be a semi-decentralized series of podcasts picked up by every major network.
00:40:48.000Everybody else, you are going to be on YouTube and you're going to be fighting against AI content that can be produced 10 times as fast for a tenth of the money.
00:41:09.000I have already had conversations with powerful executives that are making these moves.
00:41:13.000It was explained to me a month ago that a meeting was held in Florida between large television networks to discuss specifically how they purchase podcasts and take the space over.
00:41:27.000And so the mandate of these companies is to start acquiring prominent shows and authentic podcasts that we can put on the network and generate money through because that model works better.
00:41:38.000So what we're going to see is YouTube will be a network just like Paramount Plus, Netflix, or any of these other channels.
00:41:47.000The way they're going to operate, though, is not going to be the same where it'll be somewhat like a hybrid between Amazon and say Paramount Plus.
00:42:17.000They do have their originals, so you can sign up for Prime, but they have certain creators they allow to be on the platform.
00:42:23.000You register, you get approved, and then you can submit your movies and Amazon will host them and you can make money, but not everyone can do it.
00:42:29.000YouTube is going to be a kind of a hybrid between that, where there will be people who start their own channels, but then YouTube behind the scenes is going to decide this channel should be on the front page.
00:42:38.000And that's largely what we're seeing right now.
00:42:39.000We're seeing who they've chosen to be at the top of YouTube.
00:42:57.000They've decided that a series of other political personalities with certain views are going to get heavily promoted and others are not.
00:43:03.000I think a lot of this will come down to liability, though, right, as well.
00:43:06.000Like one of the issues that I think mainstream is always going to have, like something like CBS, is that they have a lot more liability to the content that they put out there.
00:43:13.000They can be held accountable if Sean Hannity goes on like a crazy long anti-Semitic rant, right?
00:43:19.000Whereas Candace Owens, YouTube isn't held liable for it because YouTube's being like, well, we're not producing any of this.
00:43:26.000We try to, you know, mandate some of these things.
00:43:29.000So I think a lot of this is going to come down to probably different lawsuits.
00:43:32.000I think that the cron lawsuit against Candace Owens will be really important to look at of who has liability for what type of content.
00:43:40.000And this is why I think right now alt media can be so successful with a lot of this more conspiratorial stuff is because YouTube is not liable for Candace Owens screaming every day about Erica Kirk being a trans or a Jew or like whatever else she says about Erica Kirk.
00:43:54.000But CBS might actually be liable for that and they won't take that risk on it.
00:44:17.000Internet Platforms Liability Shield Section 230 faced another round of attack at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on Wednesday, this time with two distinct undercurrents complaining in the conversation.
00:44:25.000One was an unprecedented wave of ongoing legal challenges to the law's scope.
00:44:29.000And the second was a heightened bipartisan concern over government censorship.
00:44:33.000I genuinely believe, well, I shouldn't say genuinely believe, but I would put it this way.
00:44:38.000There is a strong probability that Section 230 goes a bye-bye.
00:44:42.000For those who are not familiar with what Section 230 is, it is blanket immunity in an absolutely ridiculous way for internet content providers.
00:45:45.000When they create rules saying that you can't disparage one group, but you can another, that is an editorial guideline.
00:45:52.000And then allowing that content to exist is propping that content up.
00:45:55.000Certainly, they bear some responsibility there.
00:45:58.000The issue is that there is no unified definition of lewd and lascivious.
00:46:02.000And as our culture has bifurcated, they've come out saying, you're allowed to insult white people because no one cares, but you can insult black people.
00:46:09.000Well, then conservatives get mad and say, why?
00:46:12.000So now you have YouTube saying, we're going to remove anything that insults black people, but not white people, because we find only one thing objectionable, creating this political conundrum where now there is a question of whether or not any of these sites should actually have liability shields.
00:46:26.000I have entertained the prospect, I don't know how probable it is for a while now, that we could enter a future where Section 230 is dead and YouTube has a sort of filtration system for new content where the rules become particularly egregious.
00:46:42.000That means YouTube says, if you say anything that results in a lawsuit against YouTube, you will be banned instantly.
00:46:50.000Because YouTube wants to be using generated content, but without immunity protections from Section 230, they can't be.
00:46:57.000So how you hybridize a scenario where they lose Section 230, I honestly don't know.
00:47:01.000The only result then is that YouTube will turn into a website where you have to apply for approval and have a meeting with YouTube to determine, and they would ask you, show us examples of content you have made in the past.
00:47:13.000And if we believe that this is safe content, we will then approve you or worse.
00:47:18.000Anyone can upload a video, but it has to be reviewed by a human at YouTube before it gets confirmed to post.
00:47:24.000I think this is a strong possibility of where we're going.
00:47:26.000And it lends into what I was saying about the big networks trying to take back the narrative machine.
00:47:31.000So I don't know what you guys think, but we're going to make it through this one or what?
00:47:35.000Yeah, the antidote is for people to upload and maintain their own data with networks, kind of like BitTorrent systems, where I'll just be hosting my own videos locally on my device and you'll be able to subscribe.
00:47:49.000And then we'll have networks of networks that are interoperating.
00:47:52.000So it takes the load off of central systems because you can't have liability on central systems or they shut down.
00:47:58.000Yeah, I'm really of two minds here because I think on one hand, I'm a really big proponent of free speech.
00:48:03.000And obviously a lot of these platforms have become kind of our town square.
00:48:07.000And so people having high, high, basically stakeholder, because it's fundamentally what they're going to get rid of is stuff that makes them liable and stuff that their stakeholders don't like.
00:48:16.000Deciding what free speech is on the platform feels a little bit spooky, even though it's a private entity.
00:48:21.000And at the same time, I really hate the way that Russia and China have been able to utilize bot farms to cause so much political polarization and rage through intentional kind of like bot farming and AI slop and all these sort of things that I think is actively dangerous for democracy, let alone for kids, right?
00:48:45.000I think that people increasingly don't even know what's real.
00:48:48.000It's terrifying talking to my dad and being like, yeah, that crocodile video like at the person's door is not real.
00:49:39.000I mean, if we can approach it, the Democratic Party is the party of say whatever you have to say to convince stupid people to vote for you.
00:49:46.000And I've just realized that, you know what?
00:49:48.000There's a good 20% of people at the high end of the bell curve who can understand what's going on.
00:49:52.000Maybe all of us who understand that should just seize the power by lying to people like Democrats do.
00:49:56.000Because most people are standing on the beach and they can't see the ship.
00:49:59.000And I'm sitting here screaming, Mother Effer, there's a ship right there.
00:51:29.000Maybe they're doing it to make everybody fight each other over a dumb, I won't swear, dumb-ish.
00:51:33.000I mean, like, there's this interesting thing, right?
00:51:36.000If you go to like the Curtis Yarvin kind of like the dark right, which the dark right.
00:51:41.000I know I'm giving you a great segue for your, uh, one of the topics we talked about before, but Yarvin and a lot of the billionaires that are his proponents are accelerationists, right?
00:51:57.000And they do genuinely want to see like the ending of the democratic liberal order.
00:52:04.000And when I say liberal, I don't mean Democrats.
00:52:05.000I mean just like liberalism of democracy.
00:52:09.000And I think that there are other oligarchs who fundamentally think that capitalism and democracy has been broadly good and want to continue fighting for this.
00:52:46.000They didn't like the Grecian democracy.
00:52:47.000In fact, the 17th Amendment fundamentally changed the structure of our government because it used to be that the states would appoint senators to the federal government.
00:52:57.000And now it's the people voting for it, which dramatically altered what the Founding Fathers' vision was.
00:53:08.000There were the Federals and Anti-Federalists.
00:53:10.000But the system they created functioned as you voted for your state reps, your states were effectively their own entities, and then the state would appoint senators to go to the federal government.
00:53:17.000Right, but they were very open in acknowledging because for them, suffrage was about stakeholdership.
00:53:22.000All they wanted is to make sure that the people who were voting had stakes in the country.
00:53:27.000I actually think that I think that stakeholdership, the issue is they at the time were like, oh, what's the best test of stakeholdership in our brand new little baby country?
00:53:34.000Well, at the time, it was actually landowning, right?
00:53:36.000Because they're like, well, landowners are the most motivated to make sure the Brits don't take the colonies back.
00:53:40.000So we're going to give it to landowners.
00:53:42.000But they were always open that it would have to update and that suffrage would have to change based on proper stakeholdership.
00:53:48.000I think now being a citizen over 18 is sufficient stakeholdership.
00:53:52.000No, which is why every political philosopher will tell you we have a democracy.
00:53:56.000It's just a, it's a representative democracy.
00:53:59.000Well, actually, actually, we have to argue we have simultaneously a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic, and they're trying to coexist within the same space.
00:54:07.000And that's what's causing a lot of these problems.
00:54:10.000Because I certainly don't agree that being 18 and a citizen is sufficient because you have people who don't understand and don't care voting simply because the strategy of the Democrats, the reason why they don't want the SAVE Act, for instance, has nothing to do with illegal immigrants voting.
00:54:25.000Like the conservatives will say, the Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote, which is not true.
00:54:29.000The Democrats want to send young activists to rock concerts to register people to vote who don't know and don't care.
00:54:34.000Then they can do ballot, they can go ballot harvesting or they can do voter drives and get people who aren't paying attention to vote.
00:54:40.000That is bad for any democracy, whether it's a constitutional republic with democratic institutions.
00:55:06.000This is why small business owners tend to go right because they want lower taxation.
00:55:09.000This is why people in the healthcare industry tend to go left and universities because, again, they're in these industries.
00:55:14.000You agree, but that's not what we're talking about.
00:55:16.000We're talking about those man on the street videos from Times Square where they ask someone to name a country that starts with the letter U and they go Utah.
00:55:23.000And what I look, I'm not here to defend the American citizens foreign policy knowledge.
00:55:39.000I worked for a nonprofit and we did, I told the story a couple weeks ago.
00:55:45.000They asked me if I wanted to go register people to vote at a Death Cap for Cutie concert, of which I am a huge fan of that band and said, holy crap, are you kidding?
00:55:52.000And then I didn't even realize they gave me an all-access pass and all I had to do was get people to register to vote.
00:55:57.000The people who were at that concert did not know the first thing about what they needed or wanted.
00:56:02.000They were completely clueless 18-year-olds.
00:56:05.000When voting time comes, people go to them and say, vote Democrat.
00:56:31.000The issue is how do you do it in such a way that every partisan side and every person feels not unfairly done by, right?
00:56:42.000And again, suffrage isn't about who's most informed.
00:56:46.000Suffrage is about who has stakes, right?
00:56:48.000Who has stakes in the country, which every citizen does.
00:56:50.000Now, my actual like perfect limited democracy is there's a magical button that you touch and God knows your heart and knows if you love your country.
00:56:58.000And if it goes green, you get the vote, right?
00:57:16.000And I think if you pressed a button and when you press this button, God would just be like, if you don't love your country, your vote doesn't count.
00:57:24.000Republicans would dominate everything.
00:57:51.000But when you go to like Portland, for instance, the protesters during one of these like BLM marches or whatever went to a guy's, a random house.
00:57:59.000As they're marching through a neighborhood, he has an American flag, and they knocked on his door and told him to take the flag down or else.
00:58:04.000Those people, they vote, and their vote won't count if you press that button.
01:00:14.000I don't think voters have to be high IQ.
01:00:15.000I obviously want politicians to be informed.
01:00:17.000But again, my question is: you have 100 people and the top 40%, let's just say, remove themselves from the process entirely.
01:00:24.000And only the bottom, we say bottom 60%, but from the bottom to the top to slightly above average, they're the only ones engaging in politics.
01:00:41.000My point largely is that if you argue that you only need to be 18 years old and a citizen in order to vote, you are going to have the ease of opportunity to get more ignorant voters versus smart voters.
01:00:56.000So if you take a look at the well, no, because lower IQ people are also going to come up against different resistances that make them less likely to actually turn on a vote.
01:01:05.000Like I suspect you're going to have to urban locations where you have high density of people and you need two activists to go to each apartment building to get 500 votes each.
01:01:13.000And all you have to do to convince them to vote is say Trump's a Nazi and they go, okay, and then they vote Democrat.
01:01:18.000So arguably then the Republicans are doing the same thing.
01:01:21.000They're just going to other areas and being able to get a lot of people in the United States.
01:01:23.000Indeed, but Republicans don't have population density.
01:01:25.000Republicans don't have population density.
01:01:30.000I'm sure you've seen that graph that shows the Democrats are a singular cluster that largely agree and the Republicans are a disparate bunch.
01:01:37.000I think a great example of this is the current trends that Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace, et cetera, that were big Trump supporters and now are not.
01:01:50.000People may still support Trump, but the libertarian, disrupted liberal coalition that wrapped around, that boosted them, are not on board.
01:01:58.000So that's going to make it increasingly difficult to convince someone on the right.
01:02:02.000You know what really, really sucks is that I watch some of these liberal YouTubers, and it's just really, I'm going to throw David Pachman out here as a great example of this.
01:02:12.000So several years ago, this was Trump's first term.
01:02:16.000I made a video for my 4 p.m. segment saying Donald Trump sees record high approval rating.
01:02:22.000And David Pacman on the same day made a video saying Donald Trump sees record low approval rating or record high disapproval.
01:02:29.000And I thought to myself, this is crazy.
01:02:32.000How could both of these videos exist at the same time?
01:02:35.000Well, I look back at my video and I checked all my sources and I was like, you've got 538, you've got RCP, you've got all of the aggregates showing that Trump's approval rating is at a record high, especially compared to other presidents.
01:02:49.000How did David Pacman make a video that's the inverse?
01:02:52.000He cherry-picked a single poll and made a video about it saying the exact opposite.
01:02:58.000And I said, is David, I thought to myself, because I've known him for a long time, I'm like, is he doing this on purpose?
01:03:05.000Like, any honest person that's assessing Donald Trump's approval is going to check the aggregate, not a single poll, because a single poll can have errors.
01:03:26.000See, this is, and this is, so the left will look at the right, and they'll look at Tulsi Gabbard defending Iran, and then they'll pull up her shirts, right, and be like, interesting, right?
01:03:35.000You'll look at, you've got RFK Jr., who's still doing making, so this is why the smarts line is also dissatisfactory to me, because nobody's going to agree on it, right?
01:03:46.000Everyone's going to feel unfairly like punished by this system, which is why I go, probably universal suffrage is over 18 incidents is the best measure we have.
01:03:55.000We on this show, with a disaffected to right-leaning audience, specifically addressed Tulsi Gabbard's tweet, how she did not make an assessment and just defer to Trump, and that she sold shirts saying no war with Iran, and that I support her in 2020, specifically for anti-interventionist regime change policies, because the people on the right expect the context and the nuance, and it's very difficult to keep them in the same room together.
01:04:19.000When I pull up, the only person I ever give credit to on this, despite not really liking the guy, is Hassan Piker, that he actually discusses a variety of topics and his thoughts and opinions on them, even when I think he's wrong or contradictory.
01:04:31.000And then I pull up the most prominent of liberal pundits, and I'm like, they just make fake videos.
01:04:36.000Like David Pacman made a video saying Donald Trump poops his pants, which is just like, yeah, that literally didn't happen.
01:04:41.000And like, if I could get away with that on the right, man, I'd be making 10 times as much as possible.
01:04:46.000His biggest content creator is Candace Owens.
01:05:47.000He's far right because he's a theocrat.
01:05:49.000Well, I will just, the first thing we should clarify is what does far right mean?
01:05:52.000So that we understand what we're saying.
01:05:53.000When I say far right, I basically mean they are probably going to share a lot of cultural values of a lot of conservatives.
01:05:59.000They're probably going to be pretty critical of trans stuff, might be critical of gay stuff, although obviously conservatives vary a lot more on the gay stuff, right?
01:06:06.000So they're going to be right on this culture war stuff, by and large, like more traditional values, right?
01:06:48.000We've got Hassan, who won't vote for Democrats, tells people not to vote for Democrats and says that like our own Nick Fuentez on the left.
01:07:08.000But we have the issue is like our schism happened a lot earlier, right?
01:07:12.000And it's somewhat that what disaffected you guys, right?
01:07:16.000Is that a lot of liberals couldn't figure out what a woman was.
01:07:20.000Well, no, we shook hands with the progressives and we said, we're just like you.
01:07:24.000And the progressives are like, yeah, except some of the progressives just, it's an aesthetic.
01:07:28.000But a lot of them were communists who were like, yeah, we want to take away private property rights.
01:07:32.000And at no point did the liberals go, hold on, we're actually not like you because that's a rights that we're not willing to get rid of, actually.
01:07:40.000And we don't even want to do it democratically, right?
01:07:42.000But we pretended that we were the same, which led to this culture war like takeover where we were like canceling and ourobosing ourselves and it was awful.
01:08:16.000And yet we have Joe Kent that's defecting to their side, right?
01:08:19.000And so there's this huge question of who went.
01:08:21.000So I'm not saying that the right has to look identical to the left and how the schism falls out, right?
01:08:25.000In a lot of ways, what we had with the left sweep is a lot of progressive candidates in a blue state aren't being successful, right?
01:08:31.000And so it seems like there is a resurgence amongst the left for a more moderate, more traditionally liberal.
01:08:36.000But the reality is like we were a lot more, especially performatively sold out to the further left.
01:08:41.000I think the, you know, we were asked the other day if, you know, one of our, one of our callers, if the Democrats can start winning back the disaffected liberals because of the route some of these people on the right are taking with like the Israel post stuff.
01:08:55.000And, you know, my first point is largely that I'm Israel ambivalent.
01:08:59.000What irks me is when every problem in the world is specifically about Israel and they ignore the history of the region, the liberal economic order, the petrodollar, et cetera.
01:09:07.000But if it came down to policy and they said you can vote for funding Israel or not funding Israel, I'd say we should not be funding Israel.
01:09:12.000Our money should be going to our people here in this country, helping the working class.
01:09:17.000I'm for some form of universal basic health care.
01:09:20.000We should be spending money in that direction.
01:09:21.000If you come to me and then say your choices are the war machine or politicians who five years ago advocated for cutting off children's testicles and breasts, I'd say, I will never vote for that person no matter what happens.
01:09:43.000Like when you take a look at all of the stuff that we had seen throughout the censorship era and the COVID era, I'm going to be like, we've got a litany of issues.
01:09:53.000We can start with the charges against Donald Trump, which were ridiculous, the arrest of his lawyers, which is shockingly terrifying.
01:10:01.000I'll never support any of these people.
01:10:02.000By all means, you can claim Trump did something wrong, but they arrested his lawyers in Georgia and Wisconsin.
01:10:17.000And in fact, if Jenna Ellis did not plead guilty, the charges would have been dropped because they eventually dropped all charges because they're unfounded.
01:10:28.000So you've got Democrats in office now who supported that.
01:10:31.000And if they came out and said, we are not for transing the kids, we are not for appropriating property, we want to help the working class, we want to secure our borders, we're not for illegal immigrants, I'll be like, bro, four years ago, you were for all of those things.
01:10:45.000So get rid of all of those people and bring in a new Democrat who's got a little bit of charisma behind him.
01:10:50.000We're talking about Jenna Ellis who tried to overturn the presidential elections, right?
01:10:53.000Tell me what she actually was charged with and why.
01:10:55.000I'm not sure what she was charged with.
01:10:56.000Right, she drafted a letter for Trump to the election officials in Georgia requesting information to challenge the election.
01:11:05.000They argued that was in furtherance of a conspiracy.
01:11:15.000Because, like, for example, in the case of, I don't want to get into all because I don't know all of the details of 2020, unfortunately, right?
01:11:21.000But there are absolutely illegal things that happened from multiple lawyers, right?
01:11:26.000And they were intentionally some lawyers.
01:11:29.000So my understanding is some lawyers were under the presumption that genuinely they needed to call into question the elector slates.
01:12:12.000Apparently, in one of the filings, they argued that Trump's penthouse, which was 10,000 square feet roughly, was actually 30,000 square feet.
01:12:19.000However, it was testified in court that the Trump administration, first and foremost, Trump didn't draft the documents.
01:12:25.000And the documents always came with a disclaimer that they may have gotten things wrong and required the banks to do their own due diligence to verify, to which Deutsche Bank did, came back and said your information is incorrect and reduced the terms of the deal to which the Trump organization accepted.
01:12:41.000They called that fraud, even when Deutsche Bank testified, we were not defrauded.
01:12:58.000You take a look at the falsification of business records, which for the first time in New York state history, there was a claim of falsification of business records without an underlying crime found unanimously by a jury.
01:13:10.000So Ellis drafted not just a memo, but a memo very explicitly and specifically outlining how she planned to overturn election results, right?
01:13:18.000Not just question the results, but to overturn them directly with knowledge of falsified elections.
01:13:25.000No, that's an argument that was never proven in court, and the charges are all dropped for everyone else.
01:13:29.000Now, she pleaded guilty to that because she was terrified that the machine had come to put the boot on her neck.
01:13:34.000So tell me why the charges were dropped for everybody else.
01:13:36.000And I'm sure the Democrats did just say because Trump put pressure and won the election.
01:13:51.000This was a misdemeanor charge that was upgraded.
01:13:54.000And the case is Trump's lawyer, Cohen, decided to pay Stormy Daniels, but Trump never told him what to do, but he knew what Trump wanted.
01:14:03.000And there was no unanimously agreed upon by the jury underlying crime that was being covered up for the first time in New York State history.
01:14:09.000So they decided to upgrade a misdemeanor to a felony 30-some-odd.
01:14:13.000I thought it was 31, but 30-some-odd times.
01:14:28.000If we are dealing with Georgia, where Ellis was relevant, a lot of the people who did not get charged were not charged because they were given immunity deals to give details on the city.
01:15:42.000That's how people had stake in the system.
01:15:44.000The corporations want to go from like shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism because they're trying to create corporate governance.
01:15:51.000Kyle, I want to tell Kyle this when she's here.
01:16:14.000It's hard to track all these patterns, see what's really going on.
01:16:17.000There's a million and one different conspiracies as to what the political machine is actually doing.
01:16:23.000The one that there's several, one of which is that Trump's been in it the whole time and the machine state just keeps shifting the narratives that nobody can get a footing.
01:16:30.000And that we had woke versus anti-woke intentionally crafted by the machine so that the left and right would fight.
01:16:36.000And then now we're getting the like the right is being broken apart through the, you know, like the Tuckers and like the Joe Kent versus the neoconservative.
01:16:46.000And then we're going to see an evolution on the Democrat side where they start to try and come back to the moderate point.
01:16:51.000And in this new decade of 2030, I would not be surprised if we're sitting here being like, I can't believe the Republicans are saying these things.
01:17:15.000Occupy Wall Street gave me private security.
01:17:18.000I'm telling you this, they were volunteer security guards at Occupy Wall Street.
01:17:22.000And when the far leftist black block types, we call them, we didn't call them antifa, physically attacked me, the organizer said, Tim, we're going to have these guys watch your back while you're streaming because the coverage you do is so important.
01:17:35.000Even when I had filmed far leftist vandalizing police vehicles, the organizers of Occupy said you were right to do it.
01:18:17.000What I said while you were out is about a shared stakeholder.
01:18:21.000Like you were saying, what kind of stake in the system to vote to control the system?
01:18:24.000And it used to be land ownership in the United States.
01:18:26.000Now it's just, you know, you sign the paper, give a social security number.
01:18:29.000But the corporations want to do stakeholder capitalism where they're going away from shareholder capitalism, who owns the corporation to decide the future of the corporation.
01:18:36.000But do you have a stake in the benefit of the system that the corporation is a part of?
01:18:41.000So they're really like, and then they get to decide what that means at any given moment if you have a right to participate.
01:18:49.000That's like, I don't have a point to tie it to, but when you guys were talking about voting, I think that is very much the future of what the corporations are trying to do right now.
01:19:00.000I don't think it's a left and a right thing.
01:19:03.000There are obviously sects of people that spin up, but this global technocratic oligarchy really wants to control our speech and shut us down.
01:20:23.000Yes, it's a known facet in U.S. law that the judges will intentionally give you harsher penalties if you try and fight.
01:20:31.000So if they come to you and say you're getting 40 years, but you can take a year of probation, everybody just says, give me the year of probation.
01:21:43.000Her emails specifically are sufficient evidence of saying she knows what's going on.
01:21:48.000She knows that there was a precedent set in the Nixon v. Kennedy election where they submitted alternate electors despite the fact that Nixon could have won Hawaii.
01:22:00.000The argument was that it didn't matter anyway, so they weren't going to count these electors.
01:22:04.000They submitted electors for Kennedy, which were not certified by the government.
01:22:08.000And that was the precedent by which Trump's legal team said, we can submit the alternate slate.
01:22:14.000Then once the court cases are, once they are officially adjudicated, they will update, just like with Kennedy v. Nixon.
01:22:20.000So the argument that I have is, regardless of what you think about Jenna Ellis, let's go to the procedure of 2020.
01:22:26.000The only process by which you could challenge an election that you did believe was stolen is to file the paperwork of an alternate slate of electors and then wait for the court case to be resolved by a judge.
01:22:37.000Otherwise, according to our electoral system, the deadline is like December 17th.
01:22:42.000There would be no paperwork filed at all.
01:22:44.000And even if you won in court, you'd be past the deadline.
01:22:47.000This is the precedent set in, I think it was 1959.
01:22:50.000Sure, but we've done recounts multiple times, right?
01:22:52.000There was like the famous Al Gore case in like Florida where the vote was decided by like 500 votes and yet all precedent to just like ask that we like redo the slates and then verify and audit all of the votes, right?
01:23:02.000And like there is a process by which if you legitimately think something has been falsified or tampered with, like there is a process for that.
01:23:46.000My view would be, just like in, I think it was 1960 with Kennedy v. Nixon, when Hawaii challenged the election results, even though it was Nixon who won, they sent an alternate slate of electors after the fact without certification.
01:24:00.000And even though it wasn't even adjudicated, they said, look, it doesn't matter anyway, so we're going to let it slide.
01:24:07.000So if you did have a disputed election and the difficult with our legal system is how long it takes, I'd imagine the process would be file the paperwork as though you won while it's pending adjudication.
01:24:18.000And then if a judge approves, it's yes.
01:24:22.000So you ask for a recount, you file an election contest in state court in whichever state you're concerned about, litigate before certification and during canvassing.
01:24:32.000And after the state results, the result, after the state resolves the result, the state sends its lawful electors to the Electoral College.
01:24:39.000And again, the precedent from Nixon v. Kennedy is that because adjudication was taking too long, they submitted an alternate slate of electors before there was official adjudication, and that was deemed acceptable.
01:24:49.000And that was the precedent by which the Trump legal team said, we'll do the same thing.
01:24:54.000And then my understanding is one of the main lawyers involved, I believe it was Chesaprow.
01:25:02.000I could be wrong about which one did this.
01:25:04.000He genuinely believed that there was faulty votes, there was faulty issues, and he looked it up and he was trying to legitimately have the election audit.
01:25:13.000There was like a genuine belief that it was stolen.
01:25:15.000And one of the lawyers in the emails explicitly knows that this is false and is trying to follow through with Trump's.
01:25:24.000There was a report a few months ago that they found something like 300,000 ballots that were illegitimate in Georgia or something like this.
01:26:21.000Bill Maher, lifelong liberal guy, he, in my view, represents what Democrats need to be, saying the Democrats lost a crazy contest to a crazy person.
01:27:10.000I'm going to insert myself into this podcast.
01:27:12.000It was the podcast I did with Jerry O'Connell where he was saying that the Democrats have continually embraced people who are out of touch and don't know how to speak to regular Americans.
01:27:38.000GOP governors, AG's back, the Trump Save Act push, warn the system gives undue influence to states with illegal aliens.
01:27:46.000The coalition argues current registration systems give states with large illegal populations undue influence over the federal elections.
01:27:52.000I am here to tell you all that everything everyone is telling you is fake and a lie.
01:27:57.000The Save Act requires proof of citizenship at the point of registration and would require an ID when you vote.
01:28:05.000However, the Republican argument is incorrect.
01:28:08.000And they're doing this because they're oversimplifying to make people want to support it.
01:28:12.000Republicans are arguing that there's voter fraud and Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote, which, no, that's not really the issue either.
01:28:19.000Democrats are saying this will disenfranchise 20 million plus voters.
01:28:23.000There will be women who will struggle to register to vote, which is also not true because you don't get booted off registration from the Save Act.
01:28:29.000The real issue is that by allowing anybody to register to vote without documentation, you can do rock the vote, voter registration drives, voter in the park.
01:28:38.000And this means you can go to people who normally don't care and wouldn't take the time and register them to vote.
01:28:44.000You combine that with universal mail-in voting and or ballot harvesting, and you have a massive voter base of people who will passively vote.
01:28:51.000The Republicans can't do this because they're predominantly rural.
01:28:54.000So if an individual goes to an urban center, like in New York City, you can go to one apartment building with 1,000 people in it.
01:29:01.000And in one day, two activists can get hundreds of ballots from people who normally don't care.
01:29:06.000Republicans can't drive door-to-door in rural areas because some of these houses are, you know, what, half a mile from the next one.
01:29:13.000So overwhelmingly, that benefits Democrats who are trying to convince as many people as possible to vote.
01:29:17.000But by that logic, doesn't that just assume then that the people in the apartments are already Democrat?
01:29:21.000They're just facilitating these people to vote?
01:29:23.000I would refer to them as we call that default liberal, meaning they don't really pay attention to politics, but they lean a little bit left.
01:29:30.000And You knock on their door and say you're registered and they'll say no, sign this and you are, and they'll go, sure.
01:29:35.000And so it's very easy for Democrats to get the numbers, which is very difficult for Republicans.
01:29:39.000But I will just, my final point on this, Republicans don't want to publicly admit they are intentionally trying to create barriers to stop low-interest voters.
01:29:47.000And the Democrats don't want to admit that they win elections through low-interest voters.
01:29:51.000So both are creating their own version of why this should or should not pass.
01:29:56.000The issue is, so say you get like a the issue is this one, this could affect the popular vote, but that this type of logic actually wouldn't necessarily change like the electoral college because the way that the electoral college splits up and all these lines and stuff is to try to balance out the it'll change Congress in the swing states in the swing districts.
01:30:13.000And it will greatly affect swing states as well.
01:30:15.000Maybe, but in swing states specifically, we can probably presume that in these apartment buildings, Republicans could reasonably go and collect ballots from all the same people and they'll.
01:30:24.000Why would we assume that in a swing state city?
01:30:27.000Major cities are, even in West Virginia, they're all liberal.
01:30:30.000Yeah, but I imagine if they're passive enough, a Republican can probably have a sufficiently compelling argument to move them off.
01:30:37.000I would just say that's what I'm saying.
01:30:39.000We just, again, revert to the previous argument of why it is that Republicans don't invest money in like D plus 20 districts and why Democrats don't do the same.
01:30:49.000Republicans are going to say, look, if we go and ballot harvest in these areas, it's going to take 10 times the effort to get half as many ballots from Democrats.
01:30:57.000So we're better off passing the SAVE Act and just slicing off Democrats' low-interest voter base.
01:31:03.000And Democrats are saying you will disenfranchise voters because women will have to get their marriage certificates and like this convoluted argument.
01:31:10.000Look, Republicans are going to claim it's about illegal immigrants voting, which is not the issue.
01:31:15.000The issue largely is that illegal immigrants count towards congressional apportionment, but Democrats can easily ballot harvest.
01:31:33.000Well, go to more working-class areas that have a lot of construction and union guys, and you're probably going to be able to.
01:31:41.000We're talking about how in densely urban areas, it's overwhelmingly liberal.
01:31:45.000And when you go to the suburbs, you will have to go door to door in the, like, let's use Chicago as an example.
01:31:50.000The city of Chicago is Democrat everywhere.
01:31:53.000And only in the past election did we actually see the edges start to turn red.
01:31:57.000So my neighborhood on the south side near Midway Airport has been slowly shifting Republican for some time, which is very interesting.
01:32:04.000If you go to my neighborhood in the city, it's still 60, 70% Democrat.
01:32:09.000Well, actually, no, my neighborhood actually is red.
01:32:12.000But the bulk of like the Midway area, which includes like two or three neighborhoods, it's actually shifts more blue as you get closer to the city.
01:32:19.000You are going to be going door to door, house to house.
01:32:22.000Okay, going to a building on like Michigan Avenue with like 50 apartment units, you will be able to get two or three times as many ballots harvested and voters registered than you would in the suburban areas where you're going door-to-door or driving.
01:32:35.000Dense population areas tend to be liberal, and that makes it harder for Republicans to ballot harvest as effectively as Democrats.
01:32:41.000Again, I don't even know if I'd grant that because I have a suspicion that a lot of Republican voters that often probably don't come through in voting would be like, for example, like working class construction workers or truck drivers and stuff that often probably have a lot of the same limits to voting that like low-income left.
01:33:08.000I think that cities tend to fall left because I think that Democrats have good policies that are better for cities and better for running them.
01:33:13.000Like I think that that's why I think if Republicans wanted to be better able to farm cities, they should probably have policies that city people like, right?
01:34:24.000It was to tell the people who lived that they wanted to renovate the project housing so they would be temporarily relocated, and then they bulldozed their homes and poured dirt over it and never did anything again.
01:34:35.000That has consistently been what the Democrats of Chicago have done to deal with the problem of impoverished black neighborhoods.
01:34:41.000How about the policies of redlining and blockbusting in Chicago?
01:34:44.000Redlining literally comes from Chicago's red line, where the cultural practice at the time under the Democrats was to force black people to live in impoverished areas and they wouldn't sell them property outside.
01:34:55.000The Democrats do not create policies that benefit these cities.
01:35:00.000In my experience, growing up in a city that was run by Democrats for 100 years, you couldn't do anything because the processes by which they collected the votes made it impossible to actually change this system.
01:35:14.000Like Los Angeles is a great example as well, where they have the worst homeless problem in the developed world.
01:35:20.000Yet for the life of them, they just keep dumping money into what we call the homeless industrial complex, a series of NGOs and government programs that dump money to corrupt individuals.
01:35:29.000What percentage of homeless people in California are even from California, do you know?
01:35:33.000It is actually a minority, but a good chunk.
01:35:36.000The issue with homelessness in Los Angeles is that the weather is nice and it attracts homelessness.
01:35:41.000And they have, and they have, so it's not just that.
01:35:43.000I'm actually from Edmonton, where I'm from.
01:35:45.000We have one of the largest homeless populations in Canada, despite it being one of the most northern major city in almost in the world.
01:35:54.000But we have huge, huge, we just have an incredible nonprofit sector.
01:35:58.000It's actually where my husband and I met is working for the same homeless shelter.
01:36:01.000But we have such great resources that people will get bus rides to Edmonton as a homeless person to take advantage of the system that they have, right?
01:36:11.000So what's often happening is red states aren't educating people.
01:36:14.000They're getting them hooked on jobs, giving them construction jobs.
01:36:17.000And then when they become, like the government is not getting people hooked on drugs, people are not educating them.
01:36:22.000They're not building successful economies that scale up to allow people out of just construction jobs, which is why you're right, Republicans don't have very big red cities because Republicans don't build good cities, it seems to be the case.
01:36:36.000It seems like if cities have to be ontologically left, we have to ask ourselves why.
01:37:40.000The top three candidates were three black people.
01:37:43.000And the reason Brandon Johnson is because only one neighborhood defected, and it was the Loyal University area, like near Evanston, where you have a predominantly young leftist base that voted for the more socialist black candidate.
01:37:56.000And so you combine that with the racial demographics, and they voted for a candidate just because he was black, for the most part.
01:38:01.000Like the progressives probably did too.
01:38:03.000He was like a socialist, and he was black, and they didn't want white supremacy or whatever, but that's a small portion of the Chicago base.
01:38:10.000This is not a function of being a Republican or being a Democrat.
01:38:13.000It was literally just the black neighborhood saying we were only going to vote for black people and the white neighborhood saying we're going to vote for the white guy and the Latino neighborhood saying we're going to vote for the Latino guy.
01:38:21.000And it's not necessarily that it's overtly about race, although I do think that's a component of it.
01:38:26.000If you're a white working class suburbanite kind of guy and you meet like a firefighter family and you say like, I used to bring my kid to go play baseball.
01:38:35.000And then if the Latino guy goes to that same dude and says, we used to bring the Malisa and we'd sell them on a porch, the guy's going to be like, I don't know what that means.
01:38:42.000And so they're not going to feel that rapport.
01:39:06.000Because there's definitely more white people in.
01:39:07.000It's called lowest common denominator politics.
01:39:10.000If you have three distinct cultures that do not agree with each other, in order to win, you need to find the point at which they do come together.
01:39:37.000You got to roll up your sleeves and live a good life.
01:39:39.000They're going to be like, I'm voting for that guy.
01:39:41.000But if you go and say that in Loyola, for instance, they're going to say, you are completely discounting the experience of marginalized people.
01:40:24.000But they're also less educated, less innovative.
01:40:26.000They're not typically on the bleeding front.
01:40:28.000Well, that's not material to advocating for a vote, right?
01:40:31.000Well, it's this question again of why is the left ontologically, why are cities?
01:40:36.000Are you arguing that the impoverished black neighborhoods are more educated than the white heirs of the same city?
01:40:41.000I'm saying that cities generally are an aggregate.
01:40:43.000I'm actually saying I think that the reason why cities tend to be left dominated is because they have policy that appeals to city voters the most.
01:41:53.000We have this story from the New York Post.
01:41:56.000Desperate Hochul begs wealthy New Yorkers to come back as Momdani pressures her to hike their taxes.
01:42:03.000They say Kathy Hochl is begging wealthy New Yorkers who fled the city to encourage their rich pals to come back and continue patting the Empire State's lavish public handouts.
01:42:11.000Hochul made the case against caving to mayor, made the case against caving to Mayor's Armandani's demands that she hike income taxes by saying she not only wants fat cats to stay in the city, but also by clawing at those who have moved to states with better business climates like Florida.
01:42:28.000I left New York for a variety of reasons, not entirely because of high taxes, but that was a component.
01:42:33.000Moved further south largely because of riots and violence, went to New Jersey, and then New Jersey had crazy taxes.
01:42:38.000So we got out, now we're in West Virginia, although we're currently enjoying the beautiful weather here in Austin.
01:42:43.000I was recently asked, as I've explained quite a bit, there are big investors, media companies, looking to buy out podcasts and get in the space.
01:42:52.000And so, of course, as many of you know, we've been having negotiations with companies for years and in various ways.
01:42:56.000That doesn't mean we'll take any deals.
01:42:58.000But I was recently asked by a company if we'd be willing to relocate to New York City, where there's a lot of infrastructure, high-profile guests, celebrities, great opportunity, all of the big podcasting network companies.
01:43:21.000Now, Florida and Texas, maybe, but New York, no.
01:43:24.000And now New York's facing a massive deficit where Zawarmandani explicitly stated if they cannot tax the wealthy, they will have to tax the middle class.
01:43:53.000So this is a economic, it's an understanding in tax policy that there is a point at which you increase the tax rate and you decrease tax revenue because you'll either stagnate activity or you'll pressure people to leave.
01:44:07.000So there is a happy medium where people will be satisfied paying a certain percentage of their income at a certain level if they feel like the benefit is worth it.
01:44:15.000However, New York has been experiencing a lot of problems recently.
01:44:17.000Notably, they've had a massive dog feces problem, which is new.
01:44:21.000I think this is a component of low trust society.
01:44:24.000You've also had high-profile cases of subway people being pushed on subway tracks.
01:44:28.000Whether this is more than normal, it is certainly popping up in media and it's causing people to freak out.
01:44:34.000So you've had, since COVID lockdowns, a mass exodus.
01:44:38.000Now you have with increased taxes, a continued exodus where we're not just seeing the upper class, the wealthy leave.
01:44:45.000You're actually seeing middle class people leave the city because they don't feel that they're getting their value from the city.
01:44:51.000I would also throw it back to when AOC joined in these protests against Amazon, which is projected to bring in somewhere around like $30 billion in tax revenue.
01:45:00.000And she came to these financial district protests, ultimately, whether intentionally or otherwise, created a hubbub that pressured Amazon not to create, not to put their warehouses in New York, in Queens, and that cost the city billions, which they were hoping to get to fix their crumbling train infrastructure.
01:45:15.000So for a lot of people who live in New York, it feels like the taxes are just not worth it.
01:45:47.000I'm looking forward to hearing her voice.
01:45:49.000Hocho made the case, came against Zoran Mandani.
01:45:51.000Quote, maybe the first step should be to go down to Palm Beach and see who we can bring back home because our tax base here has eroded.
01:45:56.000I have to look at the fact that we are in competition with other states who have less of a tax burden on their corporations and their individuals.
01:46:02.000The comments are a far cry from her much-directed remarks in her 2020 election campaign where she ripped her GOP opponent, Rep Lee Zeldin, as the then Duchess of blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:46:11.000Trump and Zeldon and Molinaro just jump on a bus and head on to Florida where you belong, okay?
01:46:15.000Get out of town because you don't represent our values, she said.
01:46:18.000Blah, We have to be smart about this, but we can fund what we want to fund with what we are already taking in.
01:46:25.000The state has been facing its own multi-billion dollar budget gap that was largely patched after a great year on Wall Street, caused bonuses to shoot up 25% over 2025.
01:46:34.000I am focused on 100% or affordability issues.
01:46:36.000It appears, actually, there's two quotes, because I played this video earlier where she's sitting at a conference meeting saying, like, we need to get the wealthy to come back.
01:46:44.000This is how Trump revitalized New York.
01:46:46.000He created these luxury towers and then told wealthy people this is where the high class is.
01:46:53.000They came back in, combined with Giuliani's broken window policing, which really just means heavy law enforcement crackdown.
01:47:00.000And it became more appealing to wealthy individuals and corporations, which then boosted its tax base.
01:47:05.000Like the controversy, as thus far, which is not up for dispute, Zorhan Mamdani gave a speech to the city saying, we must tax the rich to fund these programs.
01:47:16.000If we do not, we are going to have to tax the middle class.
01:47:20.000so i understand and i understand why he's saying that and i agree with him that we do need to tax the rich right so when i'm looking into like this laughter stuff my understanding is that like you're not going to tax me i left So most wealthy individuals do not leave from taxes, only 2%.
01:47:34.000So millionaire tax flight is only about 2% of top owners are moving in response to higher taxes.
01:48:00.000New York City is experiencing a significant ongoing exodus of high net worth individuals driven by high taxes, steep living costs, and remote work flexibility, with many relocating to low-tax states like Florida.
01:48:08.000Despite this, this year remains a global wealth hub with over 33,000 residents worth 30 million or more as of July 2025.
01:48:14.000I wonder what is motivating the governor to be like, please come back.
01:48:18.000I'm going to have to go down to Palm Beach and see who we can bring back.
01:48:21.000Like clearly she's saying this because she's experiencing a problem, right?
01:48:25.000She, well, possibly, like taking politicians at their word, it's like one of the worst things, especially when we have a quote in the exact same article of her saying literally the opposite, like two years before and saying she was saying, why don't you leave?
01:49:20.000Have this entire life and community connected to the city, which is why I agree there is some little bit of pressure of if you tax the rich, yeah, they might like move elsewhere, which would just make a better argument for greater federal taxes.
01:49:32.000But that's the Canadian and me, right?
01:49:50.000No, no, no, A general comment on cities, right, where people may or may not leave is not the same as literally me pulling up a series of articles where they're like the wealthy are leaving.
01:50:02.000Exodus, exodus, that's a really sexy, we're talking about news articles versus a data-driven thing that's saying here a white-like.
01:50:07.000Which is not material to just New York City.
01:50:09.000Sure, it's actually looking at the taxing.
01:50:11.000If we're talking about New York City, right?
01:50:15.000Would you say that this policy of taxing the rich would make them leave would hold true regardless of whether it's New York or just like Palm Spring?
01:51:06.000And the only conclusion I can come to when the governor says, please come back, and the news reports say they're experiencing a wealth exodus is that they are.
01:51:13.000So if the governor says trans kids actually need to transition, we just believe the governor now?
01:51:41.000Probably, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant amount, probably like the top, like say we've got 100 people, right?
01:51:46.000And 10 of them are the top earners, and two of those people leave.
01:51:49.000I wouldn't even be surprised if the top top earners are the ones that leave necessarily, right?
01:51:54.000But the issue is that calling that an exodus is over-inflating the issue.
01:51:59.000It makes it sound like millionaires are packing up their rich, blonde, beautiful kids into their beautiful Land Rovers, and they're driving down to Florida en masse.
01:52:09.000What's happening is probably a select few of the top top performers.
01:52:14.000Between 2019 and 2020, the number of New Yorkers earning between 150 and 750 fell by 6%, while the number of true high earners dropped by 10%.
01:52:22.000Wait, so according to the city's independent budget office, this erosion matters because the city's tops 1%, about 41,000 filers pay more than 40% of all income taxes.
01:52:30.000The top 10% pay about two-thirds, which means the remaining 90% of taxpayers contribute only about one-third of the city's income tax revenue.
01:52:36.000When even a small share of these high earners disappears, the impact is seismic.
01:52:40.000So recent migration trends confirm the damage.
01:52:42.000More than 125,000 New Yorkers have fled to Florida in just the past few years, carrying nearly $14 billion worth of income with them, according to the Citizens Budget Commission.
01:52:50.000About a third of these movies, movers, more than 41,000 people, went to Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward counties between 2018 and 2022.
01:52:58.000Those escapes alone stripped New York City of an estimated $10 billion in adjusTedros income.
01:53:03.000When money and mobility align, no amount of political rhetoric can stop people from voting with their feet.
01:53:08.000Into this fragile situation, steps Zaranandani, and et cetera, et cetera.
01:53:11.000So the top, did you say it was the top 2% of earners left?
01:53:44.000But the issue is that when we're talking about this, what we're making it sound like is that people and mass are moving.
01:53:49.000What we're really saying is the richest of the absolute rich won't share the pie.
01:53:53.000And if anything gets hiked up on them, those people, those select individuals, leave.
01:53:58.000Since April 2020, New York City has experienced a significant population decline, losing nearly 500,000 residents or 5.3% of its population in the initial years following the pandemic.
01:54:07.000While the population outflows slowed in 2022, the city saw a net loss of 216,778 residents in the end of 2023, largely driven by domestic migration.
01:54:17.000They did recover a little bit in the past year or so.
01:54:45.000Today I will have recorded five and a half hours of content.
01:54:48.000I record more podcast, talk, radio, do you want to call it, than any other person on the planet.
01:54:54.000Now, that's just being hyperbolic because there's probably some dude in his room who talks for eight hours.
01:54:58.000I was going to say, except Clavik through, right?
01:54:59.000But people say Hassan streams for eight hours, but he doesn't actually talk for eight hours.
01:55:03.000I actually have hard, straight talk for five and a half hours, which is about eight or nine hours.
01:55:09.000Well, it's about eight or nine hours of like research plus talking.
01:55:13.000So I work for about 16 hours a day with business stuff in between.
01:55:17.000I lose money by doing it because of progressive taxes, which has driven me to the point where like my wife and I have had the conversation about like we probably shouldn't anymore, but you know, like what would make this work?
01:55:59.000This is the problem with progressive taxes.
01:56:01.000Should these producers and personalities who work in this industry lose their jobs because the progressive tax system is punishing me for working extra hours?
01:56:09.000The assumption with the taxing the wealthy is that these are people who are just, they're working 40 hours like everybody else.
01:56:15.000Therefore, they're earning a salary and they should pay more.
01:56:18.000When the reality is, at least for me, I'm only making more money because I'm choosing to work 80 hours a week or more and getting punished for doing so.
01:56:26.000That creates a perverse incentive, which would tell people not to run their businesses, not to work.
01:56:32.000And for that reason, I largely disagree with, I would call it like higher end progressive taxes.
01:56:38.000That doesn't create a challenge because there are some people who barely work at all and make a ton of money.
01:56:42.000But the problem with a blanket tax system is that not everybody makes money in the exact same way, but they will all be taxed in the same way.
01:57:03.000The main thing that I would say is we need a distribution system that allows for, right now, what we seem to have is a distribution system where there's like a K going on.
01:57:11.000This is what a lot of economists are calling it, right?
01:57:13.000You're either getting poorer or you're getting richer and there's a diminishing middle class.
01:57:17.000What I want is actually a taxation system that is most incentivized for the common man.
01:57:22.000I want the middle class to have the tax system built around them, actually.
01:57:26.000I think that there should be way more tax credits for middle class earners, small business owners, these types of individuals.
01:57:33.000And there should be a lot more scrutiny looked at corporate businesses, right?
01:57:36.000For example, if you've got a corporate like Walmart or these like major, major companies, and their corporate profits have gone incredibly high over the last few years, but their wages have stagnated for the past five years.
01:57:50.000We need to look at that and figure out a way to redistribute it.
01:57:53.000Maybe we find that company and we just force.
01:57:55.000Maybe we don't need to do all more taxations.
01:57:56.000Maybe we need to force companies to pay workers more.
01:57:59.000I completely agree that like Facebook making $160 billion, they should be taxed on it because we just need money to blow up brown people.
01:58:53.000Probably the issue is I have no, I don't have a good idea of like what military budget was necessary in an age of like China and Russia because we need to be stronger than them.
01:59:03.000Are you in favor or opposition to the Iran war?
01:59:05.000I'm opposed to the Iran war and how it's handled.
01:59:08.000Do you think that we should reallocate?
01:59:13.000We should basically look at where the tax money is going and then assess whether or not we are wasting money.
01:59:20.000Waste, fraud, and abuse tends to be the term.
01:59:21.000But I don't like that as a single issue because, you know, maybe we don't need such a big military budget.
01:59:29.000But would you agree that we could probably reallocate the existing tax base, like tax revenue, to better things?
01:59:36.000I'm sure there's many areas I would happily.
01:59:38.000I think the solution is we do that first, then we go through the budget and figure out where we need to tax more if we need to fund other things.
01:59:45.000Because I feel like we can probably find a bunch of missing money from waste, fraud, and abuse, but also programs we don't like, and then be like, hey, we could put that money towards things we do like.
01:59:54.000Then after that, we might not need as much tax as you think.
01:59:57.000This is why I hated Doge so much is that it was this opportunity to properly audit government spending and ask the questions of where they went.
02:01:04.000We're going to have the uncensored portion of the show coming up, but we'll try and get as many of these as we can because we're, you know, I'm sorry.
02:01:09.000I was enjoying the conversation too much.
02:01:11.000Gonzo says, we'll come back to watch, but wanted to follow Tim Cast tradition.
02:02:29.000People for some reason, people have decided to make a meme trend where when their wife is giving birth, they go on and chat like, it's now, we're doing it.
02:02:39.000But we love it because it's an encounter or something.
02:03:19.000Frankly, if anyone's actually looked at ChatGPT, I once tried to use it for debate prep to be like, debate me on my ideas to see what my opponent would say.
02:03:27.000Badmouth Bandit says, did you see James O'Keefe put a video out undercover as a homeless man on Skid Row, catching petitioners paying homeless people for signatures and paying them to register to vote?
02:06:16.000I mean, you could say it's anecdotal or not, but that's nine families.
02:06:20.000I mean, like I said earlier, we were asked by a production company if we'd consider being in New York, and we're like, no, 13.7% or whatever it is, because you've got city, state, and federal combined.
02:06:47.000Taxes shouldn't, your question to taxers shouldn't just be, well, what do I get out of it?
02:06:52.000Because part of the point of taxes is we all get something, right?
02:06:55.000The reality is like, I'm willing to pay a certain amount of taxes so that if my employees have some sort of nightmare in the future, they can claim an unemployment and like have a life raft, right?
02:07:05.000There are good things that come out of taxation.
02:07:46.000Okay, so property taxes basically disincentivize you from developing property, right?
02:07:50.000Because if your property gets better, they charge you more despite you contributing to society.
02:07:55.000Land value says you're going to develop it as much as you want.
02:07:57.000But if that piece of land, say you have 40 acres and it's in downtown LA, you're going to pay out your ass because it's high prime land and you have a lot of it.
02:08:07.000Whereas if you have 40 acres in bum fuck nowhere, you're going to get taxed almost nothing.
02:08:10.000So you're saying like the government should appropriate people's property?
02:08:15.000It's saying we decide how much value a piece of land is worth based on its location, based on the size of plot, and you get taxed on that instead of the project.
02:08:38.000So you have 50 acres in 1800 and you're in an empty area that no one really cares about.
02:08:43.000You do a little bit of farming there, but 50 acres isn't really enough to do any kind of substantial farming.
02:08:48.000And it's a relatively small plot for back in the day.
02:08:51.000You build a house, you die, your kids get it.
02:08:53.0001900s come around and there's some development around your 50 acre plot of land.
02:08:57.000And so the value has more worth now because of the existing businesses.
02:09:00.000So what used to be just kind of wilderness trash now actually is reasonably valuable for anybody who wants to develop, but for the most part, they don't think about it.
02:09:09.000However, property taxes for your property.
02:09:13.000So let's do it all based on just modern property values.
02:09:16.000So you have a property that's worth $100,000 and you got to pay a property tax about two grand per year and you make that money from your job or whatever it is you do and then you pay those taxes.
02:09:26.000You give the property to your children, they inherit it.
02:09:28.000But now because there's some development around, which you can't control, the property is worth $300,000.
02:09:45.000They carve it off and they sell it off.
02:09:48.000After 75 years, the land is now 50 different single acre parcels owned by a random spattering of people.
02:09:54.000Or the worst part is they can't afford the taxes.
02:09:57.000So the government seizes the property and then appropriates it.
02:09:59.000But in the case of property tax, now we have a different incentive structure where they sit on their land and they let it get increasingly dilapidated over time because if they improve it, if they single warehouse.
02:10:12.000But your argument of a land value tax functions the exact same way, slightly differently.
02:10:16.000Slightly differently, in a way that I essentially am saying I have preference for.
02:10:20.000Like you can be opposed to land value tax, but I think it's a better tax.
02:10:23.000If you have 50 acres and we say we're not taxing the development, so we're not going to consider the structures as per the value of that land, right?
02:10:30.000It's going to be like spaces and stuff.
02:10:43.000Neither of them of a small town from this refinery.
02:10:46.000That refinery and development did increase the value of the land it sits on.
02:10:50.000It won't be the same because the refinery is going to be worth tens of millions of dollars, but that land will go from 400,000 to 4 million overnight.
02:10:56.000Yeah, and then it'll be more likely to be built into like a city later on.
02:10:59.000I think that this, so again, your argument against this has to be all taxes are bad, right?
02:11:27.000Well, your incentive in that place, if all we tax is like sales, for example, then everyone is going to be incentivized to just keep property in the land.
02:11:35.000We're going to have extremely low mobility.
02:11:37.000Is your argument that we should create a system by which people can lose their land to the government to incentivize them to sell it off?
02:12:02.000So when you tax someone's property, and they've inherited the land, I can't tell you how I bought a piece of land that was for pennies in the dollar.
02:12:09.000It was inherited by the family that owned it.
02:12:12.000And they were like, we don't make money that can afford the taxes on this place.
02:12:15.000Sure, but I'm in favor of some taxes, right?
02:12:18.000No, but when you tax someone's land, you're basically saying there will be no generational wealth.
02:12:22.000Well, arguably, what you're saying is that while generational wealth will be maintained, but there will be no housing development ever at any time, because if you sell things off, you lose money.
02:12:31.000Yeah, because if you if you are the person arguing that.
02:13:15.000You've got uh Mikey Taylor, shout out to Mikey Taylor, who's a real estate developer saying, You don't want to own, you don't want to rent, you want to be a renter.
02:13:23.000Sort of one of the largest contributors to American GDP, so we are definitely renting, and there is definitely incentive to agglomerations.
02:13:32.000What I'm saying is that we have two different tax systems.
02:13:36.000I think my system works, and I'm fine with people selling off their property because suddenly grandpa's property from 300 years ago is worth $17 million, and then they can go buy a farm and probably buy six times the land.
02:13:48.000Yes, I think that that's a better system.
02:13:49.000Although, yeah, whatever it's going to be in favor of it, sell it off.
02:15:16.000You could do like, oh, I'm eating Crossland if you need it.
02:15:18.000If you didn't know, you tax their property, but if they rent out their property, you stop taxing them while they're renting, as long as they're a renter.
02:15:26.000But anyway, I was going to shove that in during the show.
02:15:27.000I didn't have a chance because it was so good.
02:17:05.000I think Bezos, his income is a million dollars a year.
02:17:10.000And he's probably got, that's income, that's like salary income.
02:17:15.000And then he's probably got capital gains and things like that.
02:17:17.000But Andrew Tate was talking about a very clever system, a very, very well-known system of avoiding paying income tax for high net worth and high-profile individuals.
02:17:26.000And that is he creates a corporation in the Cayman Islands that owns the rights to his likeness and his image.
02:17:34.000And he has to pay a fee to publish his name and image to the Cayman Islands.
02:17:39.000So he says he's exaggerating the numbers.
02:17:42.000He's like, if I make $50 million, I got to pay a $50 million fee, which obviously would not work tax-wise.
02:17:47.000There needs to be a predetermined fee before.
02:17:50.000But so one of the most common things they'll do is people will set a company that owns the intellectual property to develop.
02:17:57.000When their company uses it, they'll have a set fee of $10 million per year, which is a static fee that is unchanging.
02:18:03.000And then they'll say, well, we made $13 million this year, but I got to pay a $10 million fee, which goes to the business in the Cayman Islands, which takes that income, doesn't pay taxes on it.
02:18:13.000And this is, again, the reason why I largely just don't think taxes work is there is no function by which you can ever actually tax somebody.
02:18:20.000So right now, there's something, there's new trusts available in Delaware.
02:19:05.000So the $1.5 is still considered in an investment.
02:19:09.000It can then invest that $1.5 million into the market, a year later, make $1 million and be worth $2.5, sell all those assets for cash, have $2.5 million in cash and not be taxed because it is not a tax-paying entity.
02:19:22.000And that's what most people do with these Delaware trusts.
02:19:25.000So when people are like, we're going to tax it or tax that, what they're really saying is we're going to create barriers by which working class people who may be on the cusp of becoming upper class will be constrained.
02:19:35.000So when you say like the highest tax bracket is $250,000, the important thing to understand is if an individual makes $250,000 a year, they're living comfortably.
02:19:45.000The estimate is that you need about $150,000 on average in the United States so that you have everything taken care of.
02:20:18.000I mean, putting $17K per year in a 401k is something massive, way better than most people.
02:20:23.000Now, let's say you make $13 million per year.
02:20:26.000Use $150,000 to live comfortably, and then you've got $12,850,000 to literally invest wherever you want in whatever you want and just grow money rapidly.
02:20:40.000Worse, the access money is being funneled through trusts or the Cayman Islands or whatever it is.
02:20:45.000So you're probably not paying anything on that.
02:20:47.000The taxes that they're putting in place the way they are target individuals who are just, here's the way I view it.
02:20:54.000I think the system is designed and increasingly being designed so that there is the working bracket and you will have the impoverished and then you will have the upper class.
02:21:04.000There will be people who pretend to be rich, who feel like they're rich because they make a couple hundred thousand dollars per year.
02:21:09.000Then there are going to be the ultra-wealthy, the people who are making maybe like 10 plus million per year who have blasted off and broken orbit, and you will never catch them.
02:21:16.000There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop them.
02:21:19.000You go to Elon Musk and say, we want to tax you, he'll say, hey, China.
02:21:22.000And China's going to be like, anything you want, brother.
02:21:24.000We will give you a palace if you bring your companies to us.
02:22:02.000Except they still have these barriers.
02:22:04.000Like obviously Kanye wanted to go up to the next level of billionaire class.
02:22:07.000They're like, no, you ain't one of us, bro.
02:22:09.000Or like people don't understand trusts and the way that you can bypass taxes.
02:22:13.000So they get constantly booted down to stay at that like mega rich.
02:22:17.000You know, they don't want to, but it's still that, there's still these like feudalistic impulses in place.
02:22:25.000Yeah, I mean, we have a situation right now where it seems like what you're saying is we have capital owners who can bend the financial reality at whim.
02:22:32.000And these upper caste members will always bend reality in their favor.
02:24:09.000And then if your actions create a negative ripple effect, one of the challenges is that at the highest levels of intelligence, you start to get like I think there's a reason there's a correlation between like sociopathy and like high IQ people.
02:24:29.000Because when you start to ask deep philosophical questions and entertain higher ordered thinking, so like the highest order of thinking is contemplating like multiversal phenomena and like things like that, it minimizes the human experience to a great deal.
02:24:44.000The people who can't comprehend like the higher levels of the universe or whatever, higher order thinking, they're living in a very human visceral plane.
02:24:55.000They understand the human experience and that's what they live in and they deeply care about it.
02:24:59.000The smarter a person gets, the more robotic they get because they start to look at the needs and wants of humans as minimal.
02:25:08.000And then there's certainly people who have deep philosophical understandings.
02:25:11.000Like a good example is just like how we, how we, how we envisioned Dr. Manhattan and Watchmen, are you familiar?
02:25:16.000Yeah, his statement about having witnessed things so small they could not even be have not even have said to happen at all or whatever, whatever the quote is.
02:25:28.000And he can see forward and backward in time.
02:25:30.000So he just doesn't care about humans at all.
02:25:34.000This is a perception of the smartest people.
02:25:38.000You know, like one way I can phrase it in a way that like reduces it is, imagine you were going to work and everyone at your work was seven years old and they were complaining about the, there's not, there's not cookies in the refrigerator.
02:25:53.000And you're sitting there going like, guys, if we don't get the generator ring again, the press is not going to work and we're not going to sell products.
02:26:00.000And they're all banging their hands on the table being like, what don't you get about the cookies being missing?
02:26:04.000This is the perception that the ultra elite high, I'm not saying every ultra elite is high intelligence.
02:26:10.000But there are a lot of ultra high intelligence people who hear you talking about things like property taxes and they're just like, they're like, what don't you understand about like, you know, like the exponential expansion of the human population and the lack of resources if we do not accommodate.
02:26:28.000And then you're sitting there being like, look, man, I'm just trying to get gas to go to work.
02:26:33.000So while the average person is concerned with these low, like base level things, whether they're intelligent or not, highly intelligent people are looking down at the being like, I'm much more concerned with like the plasma fuel injectors for the new ship that's going to put humanity on other planets.
02:26:52.000So but you think there's a philosophical element to that as well, though, because we're talking mainly just about science.
02:27:00.000And one great example of what you bring up is there was this great debate that I saw where this very intelligent woman was talking about Agrippa's trilemma and this other guy just didn't understand what it was.
02:27:28.000Well, the point I'm making is that the highest level of philosophical debate get to the point where they're all nihilists, complete nihilists.
02:27:38.000They just, there's low-tier nihilism, I would describe it, where you get like a lot of lefty activists where they're just like, nothing matters, so who cares?
02:27:46.000And at the highest levels, you get these people who are like, nothing matters but what I decide.
02:27:51.000And those people are building spaceships and building factories and nuclear submarines or autonomous drones with lasers on them.
02:27:59.000Like the stuff that Andarilla's building, like that AI-powered night vision headset that can track human beings behind buildings, fucking insane.
02:28:08.000These are people who are just like, they see the world differently and they bend it to their whim.
02:28:14.000There is no law you will pass that will stop them.
02:28:17.000So I guess I'm curious, do you, and I'm not saying that you're a communist and I'm not saying I'm a communist or a Marxist, but Marx often levies a lot of these criticisms of capitalism.
02:28:26.000It just seems like for you, maybe what's different between you and Marx is that you think these hierarchies can't be flattened.
02:28:53.000You're saying that it's an inevitability.
02:28:55.000And I think like one of the most, I think it's a fact if you act as though it must be, right?
02:29:00.000I think one of the most important things that I learn in philosophy that I love about philosophy is that the future isn't set, right?
02:29:08.000I think one of the ways in which we have lifted more humans out of poverty, we have maximized on these kind of Machiavelli geniuses is to convince these people and people like them and some of our base instincts to uplift humans towards the best conditions we've ever seen in human history.
02:29:43.000I'd be really interested to see if this could work if you took like 100 random chess players of various ELO and they would convene and then they would have like three minutes to come to a decision.
02:30:32.000Because if I was one of the hundred and I'm like, I think Tim knows the game better than me and I think everyone else would all get to vote to Tim because he can beat Magnus one-on-one.
02:31:20.000And then I explain the basic functions of social engineering over a period of two minutes, to which after I explain the basics are rapport extreme turn.
02:32:15.000Maybe a little controversial, but he was willing to do what needed to be done, even if he blew up children.
02:32:23.000And I know that sounds harsh, but when you're dealing with these fucking Muslim terrorists that are willing to kill women and children, I say, turn them to fucking glass.
02:32:32.000Now, any liberal is going to say, fuck no, right?
02:32:36.000Well, it depends on which hawkish liberal.
02:33:32.000Because people don't understand that if manipulation wasn't possible, Coca-Cola would not buy ads.
02:33:38.000We are all, including myself, easily manipulated, easily manipulated.
02:33:42.000There's a bunch of advanced stages beyond that that if you're into sales and stuff like this, you're going to learn all these tactics.
02:33:48.000But I will just put it simply: you can ban wealth.
02:33:52.000You can literally say no one is allowed to legally have more than $1,000 in their bank account, and there will be a guy who is worth $7 trillion.
02:34:03.000You will not, you are not smart enough to beat someone smarter than you.
02:34:06.000And there are going to be cream of the crop, ultra high-end, especially with 8 billion people who are so smart, they will manufacture a system and you can't stop them.
02:34:15.000And maybe that system is, they have 100 employees who hide diamonds in various markers in the desert.
02:34:21.000So they know where all of their wealth is, but it's not visible in the system and no one can find it.
02:34:26.000And if they ever need to move large amounts of wealth, they have a network to do it.
02:34:28.000You can make up a million and one ways they do it.
02:34:32.000So you mentioned the higher the IQ, basically the smarter a person is, the kind of more detached they are from, you said like from emotions.
02:35:22.000Any one of our supercomputers can do it.
02:35:24.000Now, you trying to navigate what you need to do and say and figure out this person is going to get increasingly more difficult.
02:35:30.000And it's not even about necessarily intelligence.
02:35:32.000It's about passion, aggression, their behaviors.
02:35:36.000I'd actually be less worried about Elon Musk and more worried about a meathead who's hopped up on testosterone.
02:35:41.000He's going to be angry with you no matter what and just tell you you're wrong for the sake of being wrong.
02:35:44.000Like, just I'm going to argue with you no matter what no matter what you say.
02:35:46.000Which is crazy when people do that kind of shit.
02:35:48.000To be fair, though, there are still pretty easy ways to manipulate people who are like that.
02:35:52.000For one example, one example, one example I call bugs bunnying, when someone is clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing, you do a little dance and you can slowly ask questions and shift your positions until they're arguing the opposite side.
02:36:07.000Not to prove them wrong because they'll still think they're right, but to show people they weren't actually arguing with in the first place.
02:36:12.000I'm just wondering if there's a way, like, is there that kind of hubris when you get that smart that you think that you're smarter than everybody else?
02:36:56.000So what you basically have is people's level of scientific literacy and then their confidence and position on something controversial like climate change.
02:37:05.000And what you'll notice is that the more scientifically literate the person is, depending on if they are pro-climate change or anti-climate change, their confidence in their position only decreases.
02:38:12.000I know some of the best poker players in the world, and they'll say, I am not, you know, like we had Daniel McGrano on, and he's my, I'm like, this guy's my favorite.
02:38:44.000When you're the highest level of advanced poker player, of which I am nowhere near, and you've got what's called game theory optimal mapped in your mind, you know how to play exploitative, all of these things.
02:38:56.000There are strategies in poker that are like mathematically, like I'm still trying to grasp.
02:39:01.000And I'm talking about specifically Texas Holden.
02:39:04.000If I play against a low-stakes player at 1-3 at my current level, because I've been coached by some pros, I've sought out to improve myself.
02:39:13.000It is mind-blowing to me, but I totally understand it.
02:39:16.000There are people who make the stupidest mistakes.
02:39:20.000They all do it 99%, play poorly, refuse to study, refuse to learn, and then say, I'm a good player.
02:39:41.000You make them think you're shitty at the game, and then next time you play him, you dominate.
02:39:44.000eventually there's a so there is a i mean eventually there there there is uh in poker you can if you if you're um if you're playing table images is something that that matters depending on online it's very different but it still exists If you're it's strategy and how you appear.
02:40:02.000So I was playing at MGM and three hands in a row, I got what are called premiums.
02:41:00.000And then I said, or you're walking into a trap because I'm playing straight up and I got good hands and you are too arrogant to think you're wrong.
02:42:23.000I remember when I learned that when I was a kid, I was like, why would he watch, like, I was told, he watches videos of him playing so he can improve.
02:42:31.000And I said, Michael Jordan doesn't need to improve.
02:42:35.000And I was told, Michael Jordan doesn't need to improve because he watches videos of himself to make sure he's playing properly.
02:42:46.000The people that think they're the best usually aren't.
02:42:48.000Dude, when it comes to the same thing, we got to go.
02:42:50.000I love the difference between intelligence and wisdom and like the intelligent able to memorize a lot of data and the wise knowing when to utilize those things.
02:43:16.000But I don't think we have good evidence that he had the highest IQ in the world because I think you can be incredibly adept at knowing how to think with a low IQ.
02:43:25.000I think people with 80 IQ can outperform in like actually navigating the world.
02:45:18.000With the government recovering from years of spending our hard-earned tax dollars on things like making gay maps, do you think that the government should redirect that sort of money toward making pro-America and pro-traditional values entertainment instead?
02:46:53.000But I do think to a degree that there's been such a shift.
02:46:57.000And certainly in the entertainment industry, like you can't go out and make, for the most part now, a movie or a television show that doesn't have some kind of agenda in it.
02:47:07.000And I think that what it's done, and I'll look at this from someone who grew up loving America from the outside and the values that America projected around the world, they've been systematic, I think this is what the caller's talking about.
02:47:21.000They've been systematically like destroyed over the past at least 30 years.
02:47:25.000So I actually think all of our content always had an agenda.
02:47:28.000It's just that when our culture was homogeneous, it was just reflecting our values.
02:47:33.000And what we're seeing now with like, you know, what we would describe as woke content, that's the left reflecting their values and the right saying it doesn't reflect ours.
02:47:42.000So when they said in Florida that like kids are being indoctrinated and they shouldn't be, you go to any conservative and say, should schools teach people about the greatness of America?
02:48:01.000I don't know how, like, if you want to say that the government, like we have control of the government, so we can fund programs in some way, either through like grants or like we create a special program where the government grants production companies.
02:48:14.000The left is going to say that you're making fascist propaganda.
02:48:50.000Like, for example, ballet Timothy Shalamay said something recently about ballet.
02:48:54.000And what happened as a result was a lot of ballerinas and ballet dancers came out and said, listen, we couldn't do this without the patronage of the arts.
02:49:02.000So I think that, you know, I think that it's not necessarily about putting out content with agenda.
02:49:10.000It's just, I guess, putting out just something to even things up because everything is so far on one side right now.
02:49:18.000There's nothing coming from the other side.
02:49:28.000No, but I was going to say, but I hate to say it like this, but we're at the point where it's like, while we've got the reins, can we please try and do some of that?
02:49:37.000Because I recommend that you watch Star Trek The Next Generation, which everyone agree with me.
02:49:42.000There's an episode where there's a planet with a dying son.
02:49:54.000And there's a scientist who's 59 years old.
02:49:56.000And he believes he has a technique that could reignite their dying son.
02:50:02.000However, in four days will be his 60th birthday, which is where he will be ritualistically killed.
02:50:08.000His planet dealt with, as the technology advanced, the aging population was left uncared for, and it devastated their economy, caused a lot of problems.
02:50:17.000And so they decided hundreds of years before that at the age of 60, they kill you.
02:50:23.000And so he tries to save the sun from burning out, fails, and he thinks he's come up with a solution.
02:51:42.000They have control of the cultural institutions, or at least they're losing it now.
02:51:46.000And as you mentioned, the right isn't producing any of these things.
02:51:48.000White people in Europe and the United States, countries they've colonized, have, and even their home countries, opened the door to foreigners to come in, whether intentionally or otherwise, displacing them.
02:52:09.000China's having too many babies, and they're all Chinese.
02:52:11.000And they're killing the people who are ethnically opposed to them.
02:52:14.000The Koreans and the Japanese are ethno-supremacists.
02:52:16.000It is only the countries that are prominently white, save Eastern Europe, that have opened their doors to non-white individuals, to people, to foreigners, and have not been reproducing at adequate levels.
02:52:26.000Don't get me wrong, fertility has dropped everywhere.
02:52:28.000But the point is, if white people are so great, why are they killing themselves?
02:53:27.000I just like, this is, this isn't the meaningful conversation we need to be having about when we're talking about like interventionism is like whether or not there's a gay superhero in one of the comic books for a $32,000 grant.
02:53:40.000What actually matters here is conversations like going back to what you were talking about of like our morals and principles, right?
02:53:45.000One of the things we were talking a bit about before of how there's always going to be that one guy who wants $7 billion and there's nothing the system can do about that.
02:53:55.000And yet liberal democracy has found a way to utilize those people and everyone else to bring about the best society we have experienced thus far, right?
02:54:04.000I prefer that 7 billionaire and all of the problems that he has to now versus the 7 billionaire in feudal times, right?
02:54:28.000He will absolutely be charged and tried.
02:54:30.000And if my husband walked in and shot him in the head, the chances that my husband would walk or get an extremely low sentencing is decently high.
02:54:37.000There are absolutely things that we can really do.
02:56:10.000I'm all with you on the Epstein stuff that there are problems.
02:56:13.000I'm just going to say, I'll just finish this.
02:56:15.000In the feudal system, you can get raped by Epstein and Larry Nasser and all of these losers, and he can rape your wife, and he can rape your kids, and there's nothing you can do about it.
02:56:24.000And if you try to, you get killed by the state.
02:56:27.000At least in this state, there are things we can do.
02:57:52.000On Native American reservations, there's a black market where wealthy individuals will hire these security guys.
02:57:59.000I say security, but they're like trained dudes.
02:58:02.000And they'll ride into a reservation until they find a young girl, capture her, the wealthy person will rape her, and then they'll dump her out of the car and leave.
02:58:09.000Sure, but in the case of the Epstein files, who Epstein's dead.
02:58:14.000He raped little girls and he's dead now.
02:58:43.000What I'm outlining to you is that the way that you talk about the system is that there are always going to be pariahs that abuse you in it, which I agree that there will be pariahs.
02:59:01.000There are always going to be individuals that are abusing the system, that are taking advantage of it and are harming smaller little people underneath them.
02:59:58.000Wealthy individuals running these companies aren't intentionally trying to harm them, but they will be harmed because someone has to mine the sulfur.
03:00:04.000Okay, so the only differentiation you're making from mine is that you think that I'm implying that there's bad people who want to do harm?
03:00:11.000I am clarifying the difference between a statement that implies that there will always be wealthy people intentionally trying to harm people versus a clarification.
03:01:08.000So I want to shout out my comic, Seven Legions.
03:01:12.000It's a sci-fi fantasy historical fiction space opera about Hiko, an orphan born in Sengoku era, Japan, adopted by a low-ranking samurai family, whose dreams are actually the memories of the life of Azrakow, an angel who served one of the greatest soldiers of the Seven Legions until he uncovered a plot to destroy them from within and vanished.
03:01:31.000Now Hiko finds himself drawn to a galactic conflict while his own clan has gotten a war of its own.
03:01:37.000And hey, there's even a dwarf on a jetpack.
03:01:39.000And you can get issues one through three at inkslayerentertainment.com.
03:01:42.000Also, the Jews don't need to buy this book.
03:01:50.000Before we jump to the next caller, I'll just my point is that all of the laws that we make are only for those who are not smart enough to get past them.
03:01:59.000But we got the caller, so I don't know if you want to just.
03:02:25.000I'm like, just well, my goal here is to help us lift up from the doomcast IRL, maybe like point our minds towards something more positive.
03:02:38.000So let's assume that a genie snapped his fingers and the Republican coalition began suddenly to walk in lockstep and be competent like the Democrats.
03:02:49.000How could Trump and MAGA walk the tightrope to win the midterms?
03:04:14.000We need a public works program that people can get behind economically that's detached from the man.
03:04:23.000I probably don't have a satisfying answer for you because I obviously am not a conservative.
03:04:26.000So I don't know if you want an answer for me anyways.
03:04:29.000I don't like Trump and I think he sucks and I think he abandoned all conservative values.
03:04:32.000I think the coalition is a spite-driven feel because the left was nasty and awful.
03:04:37.000And you guys gave up the game the moment you put a hypocrite war hawk who has stolen billions of dollars from the populace into power, I guess.
03:04:46.000So I guess don't do any of those things and then maybe you'd be in a better position.
03:05:30.000It was very famous in 2020 when Tulsi Gabbard said on the stage that she kept prison inmates in prison beyond their term to have them fight wildfires for a dollar an hour.
03:05:47.000Trump, before he got elected, said that torture was on the table.
03:05:50.000Trump said that he was going to nuke and destroy North Korea and Syria with fiery hell, which was crazy for all of you anti-war people who voted for him, right?
03:06:02.000He was been hawkish from the beginning, despite the fact that he lied to all of you and insisted he didn't.
03:06:06.000He insisted that he was going to do tariffs.
03:06:08.000And most people who voted for Trump said, he won't do tariffs.
03:06:41.000He used those tariffs to trade off for personal favors from Vietnam, from Saudi Arabia, and he loaded his pockets and raked in Kohl's while all of the manufacturers that didn't own local and couldn't do what you did and can't pivot quickly just passed on the cost to the consumer, which is why you should care about the common man.
03:07:24.000When Trump told the auto manufacturers they were going to slap a 30% tariff on them and they moved their factories back to Michigan and Ohio, then Biden got in and cut that deal.
03:07:34.000So the factories moved back to Indonesia and Mexico.
03:08:16.000Is it better that you have to-is it better that you have a president who levies tariffs, global tariffs, to get personal favors from autocrats and from dictators around the world?
03:09:01.000And they make sure that they should actually sign trade greedies like TPP, which Trump pulled out of, by the way, which made Vietnam have to establish certain rigorous standards of treating their workers so that we can keep working with Vietnam, keep lifting them out of poverty, which is what globalized capitalism does, and then also insist on Sir Wood Morgan statures.
03:09:18.000But actually, we should get rid of that so that now Vietnam is only reliant on China.
03:09:22.000That will never establish any worker standards.
03:09:24.000The problem with the Trans-Pacific Margaret Straits.
03:09:26.000The problem with the TPP was bad thinking.
03:09:29.000The problem with the TPP was the investor-state dispute settlement, which allowed the corporations to sue the U.S. government for discrimination if we chose not to buy their oil.
03:09:38.000And then we taxpayers would have to pay Vietnamese corporations back.
03:09:42.000It really corporate that's not the same.
03:09:44.000I'm not throwing the way that corporations are scaling.
03:09:46.000Major Elric, do you want to add anything?
03:09:48.000It was part of the globalization and technocratic.
03:10:31.000It would allow corporations to sue our government forced taxpayers to pay for it if we were refusing to contract with these foreign countries.
03:10:36.000Sure, yeah, that was a bad part of TPP.
03:10:37.000And what should have happened, rather than Trump pulling out of TPP, is he should have just amended it, which you can do as actually as a brilliant business negotiator.
03:10:45.000You think that he could manage that negotiation?
03:10:47.000Major Alrick, do you want to shout anything out?
03:10:50.000Yeah, I'm just proud to announce that I'm going to be getting confirmed and baptized on the Easter Vigil this year.
03:10:59.000The shout out is for because the culture is doing good.
03:11:03.000At my particular cathedral, we're seeing 100 people joining the church this year, which is great to see.
03:12:30.000So with graphene, what seems to be 10 years away from mass production, just like fear, what makes you think that we'll actually see the properties of this so-called wonder material?
03:12:38.000Because if we start looking back into the past, because history always rhymes, it does not repeat.
03:12:44.000This exact same thing happened with PTFE, or as we know it off as Teflon.
03:12:48.000It took roughly, though, 16 years from it to be discovered in 1938 for it to be publicly available on store shelves in 1954.
03:12:58.000So with graphene first being isolated in 86, it's going on now 40 years without seeing any major publicly available products.
03:13:56.000You mix it with the concrete in the buildings to make it lighter and stronger.
03:14:00.000So that's going to be the mass adoption round one.
03:14:03.000And then when we start building with fucking rocket ships that are like touchscreen computers that can handle 10,000 degree temperatures, but that's going to be after.
03:14:13.000Everyone already know what it is at that point.
03:14:15.000Then why hasn't the likes of General Dynamic 3M Dow Chemical DuPont or Honeywell decided to dump billions of billions of dollars into the development of it to actually make it viable in mass production?
03:14:27.000It might be that they're using shell companies to invest so you don't see them investing because that would make investors think that they're going to jump ship or change their business model.
03:14:37.000But it would help them in their financial gain because if they're able to add it into materials like you're saying, you're going to end up being able to make more money because you're able to take your waste products, burn it down to carbon or extract it from the air and put it back into your material at a cheaper cost.
03:14:55.000But if they scare off their investors, then they might lose money in the aggregate.
03:15:01.000Why would they scare off the investors by making more profit?
03:15:04.000If they pivot away from steel, for instance, and go into carbon, like just graphene, the steel manufacturers might be like, oh, shit, this sends ripples through.
03:15:15.000I haven't looked into like Dow's investment strategy and how deep they are in the graphene game right now.
03:15:21.000Well, that'd be something to think about if you talk about it all the time, because that way you actually can realize, oh, shit, is it actually viable or is it just empty claims?
03:15:32.000No, it's definitely viable, but the copper industry's got resistance.
03:15:36.000That funny thing to say, copper, because they have copper wires, you know, so there's resistance in wires.
03:15:40.000That's why it was a funny joke for me.
03:15:42.000And the carbon wiring industry is going to offset the copper industry.
03:15:45.000So copper industry has shut up about it.
03:15:48.000The steel industry is shut up about it because they don't want to lose their building monopoly.
03:15:55.000But that's, I think, the reasoning is people are terrified about the paradigm shift, but the pressure is built so hard.
03:16:00.000I mean, it's spurging through the dam right now.
03:16:03.000Graphene investments are up like five times over the last year.
03:16:10.000Well, it'd be nice to actually see the product come to fruition and not just be talked about.
03:16:57.000Hey, so longtime caller, first-time listener.
03:17:00.000I know it's been a little controversial tonight, so I want to ask something really easy.
03:17:05.000So there's been a lot of talk about women's sexual liberation and how it's devalued women because it makes all of the desperate men no longer have to work hard to see boobs anymore, which I hear is a very important part.
03:19:15.000I think what happened is when they had the wrapper, they accidentally scored a mayonnaise and when they folded it, it just splattered on it.
03:20:22.000Women have a higher body count than men at a certain level of attractiveness, and then it inverts.
03:20:29.000So, at the higher end of male attractiveness, they're banging a bunch of women.
03:20:33.000So, like, women have a general lower body count than the most attractive guys, but they have a slightly higher body count than the average guy because this is just evolutionary biology and psychology.
03:20:43.000Attractive guys get more women than unattractive guys.
03:20:46.000And highly charismatic men get more women.
03:22:58.000But don't you need to liberate women so that they can appear to talk about the problems with the liberation to make it a better liberation?
03:23:04.000Women should be liberated the same degree as men.