Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Official Who Resigned, Joe Kent, Under FBI Investigation For LEAKING | Timcast IRL

00:02:30.000 Joe Kent, the Trump official who resigned, it is now being revealed he has been under FBI investigation predating his resignation for leaking classified information.

00:02:42.000 Of course, this is particularly interesting considering the narrative that we heard during, just after his resignation, was that he had been removed from intelligence briefings and was uninvolved in the goings-on with this war.

00:02:54.000 There were rumors that his resignation was largely due to a professional dispute, notably that he had been slighted by the administration.

00:03:01.000 He was ousted, and thus he's going to resign and say this is the reason.

00:03:04.000 However, the anti-interventionists are saying it's a principled response to a war of aggression.

00:03:10.000 Well, based on this new information that he's been under investigation predating his resignation, assuming that's true, I think it says a lot more to what is currently going on.

00:03:17.000 And there are questions about whether or not he was the one who was leaking these group texts.

00:03:21.000 So we're going to have to get into all of this.

00:03:22.000 And you know, we originally were going to lead with, I think, something a bit more interesting in the domestic area, and that is the progressive Democrats in Illinois got blown out completely.

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00:03:35.000 Washington Post saying that the people of Illinois are not prepared to walk off the cliff just yet.

00:03:41.000 So it looks like perhaps woke is broke, or at least the online version of it.

00:03:46.000 So we'll talk about that.

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00:05:31.000 You know, we got a couple of great guests joining us tonight.

00:05:33.000 Sir, Matthew, why don't we start with you?

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00:05:36.000 I'm Matthew Marsden, and I'm a recovering actor.

00:05:40.000 Used to be in Hollywood for a number of years until they didn't like me anymore because of my views.

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00:05:51.000 I think I referred to you as Sir Matthew.

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00:05:54.000 Good sir, Matthew.

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00:06:00.000 Well, thanks very much.

00:06:01.000 Kyla's here.

00:06:02.000 Hi.

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00:06:03.000 My name's Kyla.

00:06:04.000 I'm a YouTuber, political debater on Everywhere, basically.

00:06:09.000 It should be an interesting conversation.

00:06:10.000 Of course, Ian's here, but he doesn't need an introduction.

00:06:13.000 The chaos is here.

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00:06:20.000 Let's get into the news.

00:06:21.000 This is breaking news just dropping in the past few minutes.

00:06:21.000 We've got this.

00:06:25.000 Joe Kent, who resigned from the Trump administration over the war with Iran, is under FBI investigation.

00:06:32.000 So this news is currently breaking.

00:06:34.000 We have this clip from Laura Ingram's show on Fox News.

00:06:37.000 Saying that Joe Kent, the former director of the United States National Counterterror Center, this is from Semaphore.

00:06:45.000 He just resigned.

00:06:46.000 He's now under FBI investigation for allegedly leaking classified information.

00:06:54.000 And the investigation predates his departure.

00:07:00.000 So we've seen this report going around.

00:07:03.000 Not that the FBI is investigating.

00:07:04.000 We have this from AZ Intel.

00:07:06.000 Former National Counterterrorism Center Director Joe Kent is under FBI investigation for allegedly leaking classified information.

00:07:12.000 Sources tell Semaphore adding the probe began before his departure.

00:07:16.000 So let me just start by saying I've got my ear to the ground.

00:07:20.000 As many of you know, we have friends who have been on the show and are now in the administration.

00:07:24.000 So friends in the administration as well as members of Congress and their staff.

00:07:28.000 And I've been hearing some rumblings in the Beltway.

00:07:31.000 The rumors that I heard from people that are much more loyal to Trump is that Joe Kent was leaking classified information, at least that's the allegation, and was ousted from these meetings.

00:07:41.000 So they basically booted him out and said, this guy's no good.

00:07:43.000 They think he's the leaker.

00:07:45.000 He felt, at least this is, again, the perception, slighted personally and professionally, and that from the view, again, this is all just rumors.

00:07:55.000 They don't think that Joe Kent is truly motivated by the issue of Israel or Iran, and that it's more personal, and that he's using this as a means to slight professionally an administration that he felt had wronged him.

00:08:11.000 Considering we've got past comments and tweets from Joe Kent about the severity of the threat from Iran, I think this is why many people believe this may be the case. 1.00

00:08:21.000 That being said, he appeared on Tucker Carlson recently and talked about what he thought was the real issue, and that was that Israel had pressured us into this war, and that he was not in favor of that.

00:08:31.000 It's what he wrote in his resignation letter.

00:08:33.000 He's being hailed as a principled man who stood up for what is right, pushing back on the Israel lobby.

00:08:40.000 So I'm not entirely sure what is going on, but what I can say is this reporting is that he's been under investigation before he actually resigned.

00:08:47.000 So that lends itself to the he was, he's presumed to be the leaker.

00:08:52.000 Again, we don't know that he is, but I think you were mentioning, you looked it up, he was involved in those leaked group texts.

00:08:56.000 Is that what he did?

00:08:57.000 Yeah, in 2015, you remember the Telegram stuff.

00:08:59.000 2015?

00:09:00.000 I'm sorry, 2025.

00:09:01.000 I mean, that was a long time.

00:09:02.000 I've been around for a while.

00:09:04.000 Yeah, apparently, I haven't been able to confirm it, but I just searched for it on the internet, and therefore it must be true.

00:09:10.000 But that he was involved with it and said that there was not an imminent threat back then before they attacked Yemen.

00:09:15.000 This is in regards to the bombing in Yemen.

00:09:17.000 And I think he was saying after the fact that there hadn't been, that he saw an imminent threat.

00:09:20.000 I really don't want to misquote him.

00:09:22.000 I've got Seattle Times confirming what you're saying.

00:09:24.000 Which one?

00:09:25.000 That he was in the group chats?

00:09:26.000 Who's involved?

00:09:27.000 I don't know.

00:09:28.000 It's just a headline right now, so I don't know to what extent.

00:09:31.000 These were like the Heg Seth group chats where they were like being called out or whatever.

00:09:35.000 What they were talking about, they were planning national security stuff.

00:09:39.000 Right, And then the argument they made was that it was like national security stuff after the fact.

00:09:46.000 Like, well, we had already decided to release this, so the texts don't really matter.

00:09:49.000 Which, I mean, if it's true that this guy was leaking the stuff.

00:09:53.000 He was in the chat.

00:09:54.000 Right, right.

00:09:55.000 So, I mean, the presumption would be that's what was getting leaked.

00:09:58.000 I mean, what else got leaked that he would have been involved in?

00:10:00.000 Well, it's just if he was involved in the leak before, why are you only investigating after he steps away?

00:10:05.000 No, no, the investigation predates this.

00:10:07.000 That's what they reported.

00:10:08.000 They're reporting, but they're only publicizing this investigation now.

00:10:10.000 I suppose if there's an FBI investigation, you don't know they're doing it until they decide to make it public.

00:10:16.000 And perhaps because he came out and resigned, they said, okay, then publish it.

00:10:21.000 I mean, if he was being investigated at the FBI, I doubt they're going to fabricate documents with fake dates predating his resignation.

00:10:30.000 Sure, but a lot of people were upset when these signal leaks happened because of the incompetence of the group, right?

00:10:35.000 If he was one of the principal actors involved, why not mention like, you know, certain members are under investigation to see how this.

00:10:43.000 They'd have to fire him.

00:10:44.000 Well, they could maybe, but like, I just the timing is, I guess when it comes to breaking news, the timing could suggest two separate things.

00:10:53.000 And I think your bias would make you want to go in one direction or the other.

00:10:56.000 But the reality is he was kicked out of what meetings?

00:10:59.000 The intel briefings on terrorism pertaining to Iran.

00:11:02.000 Okay.

00:11:03.000 Who is he leaking to?

00:11:04.000 That's an interesting question.

00:11:06.000 That journal.

00:11:06.000 Who was the journalist who published those texts?

00:11:08.000 Yep.

00:11:08.000 I got it.

00:11:09.000 His name is Jeffrey Goldberg.

00:11:11.000 That's right.

00:11:12.000 Editor of the Atlantic.

00:11:13.000 Editor-in-Chief.

00:11:14.000 Right.

00:11:15.000 So Goldberg got added into it, but again.

00:11:18.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:11:20.000 Is that leaking it to him?

00:11:21.000 Is that something no?

00:11:23.000 We don't know if that's what was leaked.

00:11:24.000 Well, even Goldberg said it was an assistant.

00:11:27.000 Are you under the belief that the Trump administration is creating an FBI investigation right now that they're going to create documents with past dated?

00:11:41.000 Like, what is your argument?

00:11:44.000 It's more of a question.

00:11:45.000 It's so breaking news that I probably would be cautious to make any argument.

00:11:48.000 My question here is, though, we have an administration that regularly punishes people who step out of line and are no longer sycophantic, right?

00:11:56.000 And so he makes this major public declaration, basically signaling a MAGA schism.

00:12:02.000 It led to you making that post, right, about how the MAGA coalition is falling apart.

00:12:06.000 And then suddenly a day later, well, now the FBI is public about the fact that they're investigating him, but actually it was from before, right?

00:12:14.000 I'm like, if I wanted to besmirch somebody who stepped out of line in a big public way and punish them, this might be one of the ways that I do it.

00:12:22.000 Or maybe he is stepping out, right?

00:12:24.000 This is the problem.

00:12:25.000 It actually could, with the evidence we have, be either of these options.

00:12:29.000 That's the problems I have.

00:12:31.000 If the argument is that he was under FBI investigation, resigned, so then someone in the FBI contacted a journalist in Semaphore and said, look, he's been under investigation.

00:12:41.000 It could be a couple of, it could be very simple.

00:12:43.000 No one asked because he was otherwise unremarkable.

00:12:47.000 So a journalist from Semaphore makes a call to the contacts that she has in the FBI and the DOJ and says, I mean, honestly, here's what I think happened.

00:12:55.000 The dude resigns and says it's over Israel.

00:12:58.000 Immediately we heard from the Trump administration, like Carolyn Levitt, people were putting out like, well, he was, you know, presumed to be a leaker anyway.

00:13:04.000 He was being investigated.

00:13:06.000 Then this journalist contacts people she knows in the DOJ and says, is there an act of investigation into Joe Kent?

00:13:13.000 They then say, yeah, it's, you know, from a year ago.

00:13:16.000 And then she goes, wow.

00:13:17.000 Then she reports it.

00:13:18.000 That's how the information gets out.

00:13:19.000 No one thought to look or ask because, again, he was otherwise unremarkable.

00:13:22.000 I don't mean that as an insult.

00:13:23.000 I'm saying he was not high profile in the press.

00:13:26.000 He wasn't going to big meetings and blasting out information.

00:13:29.000 He was quietly doing his job, or I guess according to the Trump administration, not doing his job.

00:13:34.000 So this, in my opinion, based on the rumors that I've heard from DC, lends itself to let me do this.

00:13:42.000 Let me show you this tweet that Jamie Mitchell says, fascinating stuff, Joe, and it's a post from Joe Kent in January of 2020.

00:13:50.000 The war with Iran talk is very black and white in a gray world.

00:13:52.000 Iran has been at war with us in 79.

00:13:55.000 The killing of Qassam Soleimania, QS, is the first decisive act we have taken against the Iranian terror since the 80s.

00:14:02.000 And that's not the only post he has which indicates that there was perceived to be a threat or a conflict from Iran.

00:14:08.000 He also made a post about how Iran was trying to kill Donald Trump and it's intolerable.

00:14:12.000 So many people are viewing this as a flipping of his opinions on the issue.

00:14:16.000 The first thing I'll say is, perhaps.

00:14:18.000 The next thing I'll say is, well, you know, people are allowed to change their opinions.

00:14:22.000 But I'll say it again.

00:14:23.000 Considering there was an FBI investigation into him predating his resignation and the rumors that I'm hearing from the Beltway is he was doing his job.

00:14:31.000 He was excited to be a part of the administration.

00:14:33.000 They booted him out.

00:14:34.000 They started like, basically, he was not getting the exit he wanted.

00:14:38.000 So he felt personally slighted.

00:14:40.000 Either whatever the issue is started leaking or something, got iced out from these meetings, and they decided to resign because he was basically in golden handcuffs.

00:14:48.000 You know, I think a lot of people who have worked in offices, either in a managerial level or in a non-managerial level, have talked with somebody who is upset with their place of work and then wants to lash out, either justified or not.

00:15:04.000 Again, I'm not saying it's true because I don't know.

00:15:06.000 I'm just saying what I hear from those that are loyal to Trump, and of course you can argue they're biased, is that this guy, for whatever reason, was no good.

00:15:14.000 So they weren't including him.

00:15:15.000 He got pissed off because he thought that he should be in these meetings.

00:15:19.000 And so he was having a tantrum and then resigned and said, yeah, well, you know, Israel made you do it, despite the fact he's been talking about Iran being in conflict with us for a long time.

00:15:29.000 I suppose the other argument is he came to his senses, was granted access to information where he realized Iran is not a threat to the United States, that Israel is forcing our hand, and then in a truly dignified and righteous stance, stood up and said, I will not be party to this administration.

00:15:45.000 I'm just going to add the reason why I don't think that's likely is because they already booted him.

00:15:48.000 So for him to be like, I'm resigning, it's like, yeah, they already kicked you out of the meetings.

00:15:53.000 According to your sources, right?

00:15:55.000 No, no, no, no.

00:15:55.000 Like, for example.

00:15:56.000 Like, well, according to the administration, not my sources, but publicly stated, he was no longer involved in these meetings.

00:16:03.000 And now we're learning that he was under FBI investigation the whole time.

00:16:07.000 That's indicative of there was a problem with his work before he decided to quit.

00:16:11.000 So the questions I would have is: okay, well, when the Jeffrey Goldberg stuff happens, I would hope that almost everyone in that signal chat is under investigation because they should look at all the people involved and go, who here is responsible for this leak, right?

00:16:11.000 Sure.

00:16:25.000 So one of the questions I would have is: if he's involved in this investigation, how many other people are also listed as people in the investigation?

00:16:32.000 And did they experience the same icing that he did?

00:16:34.000 I don't know.

00:16:34.000 Right.

00:16:35.000 Right.

00:16:36.000 What could have happened is that he sees MAGA as a sinking ship.

00:16:41.000 He wants to detach himself from it publicly and politically and saw the Iran war, which is very unpopular, right?

00:16:49.000 As an opportunity to jump ship.

00:16:51.000 He understands that the midterms are looking rough.

00:16:53.000 He knows that Trump his legacy is going to end eventually.

00:16:56.000 And this was the easiest route out.

00:16:59.000 And he took it.

00:17:00.000 And then when the FBI saw that, they're now just dropping information that bespurches him, right?

00:17:04.000 When it comes to breaking news, it could be both of these things.

00:17:04.000 And this is what I'm saying.

00:17:08.000 I would agree with you largely.

00:17:09.000 I think that there is a sect of right-wing personalities that think they think Trump is cooked.

00:17:16.000 And so they're shifting away from him.

00:17:18.000 I think a lot of this has to do with what I would refer to as a mass form.

00:17:23.000 Here we go again.

00:17:24.000 Mass formation psychosis around Israel. 0.68

00:17:26.000 And I know, I just, I'm so sick of talking about it, but Joe Kent's resignation has to do with Israel.

00:17:30.000 An overemphasis on Israel in foreign policy, overlooking like that Joe Biden was involved in the Barisma scandal.

00:17:37.000 All of a sudden, it's Israel and the people just ignore this. 0.97

00:17:39.000 Or the cutter-turkey pipeline, which I talk about ad nauseum.

00:17:42.000 And all of the past 20 years of foreign policy we've discussed on the show, you have prominent personalities there building a massive base by creating a singular enemy by demagoguing and saying Israel's done everything.

00:17:54.000 So it could be as simple as, and I don't want to say this is exactly what you're saying, but you can clarify after I finish my point, if this is correct.

00:18:02.000 But my view is that it is a strong possibility.

00:18:05.000 Joe Kent getting booted from his meetings.

00:18:07.000 He's reading the room and he's like, look, Candace Owens is getting gangbusters views.

00:18:10.000 Megan, Kelly, Tucker, Carlson, MAGA is not.

00:18:13.000 Ben Shapiro is not.

00:18:15.000 Ben Shapiro's views, they're not bad, but they're way down.

00:18:18.000 And Candace Owens is through the roof. 1.00

00:18:20.000 So he's going, which side am I going to go on?

00:18:22.000 I'm going to go on the side that hates Israel. 0.99

00:18:24.000 That's where the people are at.

00:18:26.000 I think that there's a decent probability there because of what we have seen with the likes of Megan Kelly, Candace, Tucker, Carlson, Jimmy Dore, and many.

00:18:35.000 Well, to be fair, Jimmy is not a conservative, but many people on the right have just dramatically shifted from being anti-woke to anti-Israel.

00:18:44.000 And I have no idea why.

00:18:46.000 I mean, just people started doing it.

00:18:49.000 Make up any reason you want.

00:18:50.000 Maybe it's just that it's a very compelling argument, I suppose.

00:18:53.000 I think it is wrong.

00:18:54.000 But they've all started doing it.

00:18:56.000 And I will say this, there's a lot of money in it.

00:18:59.000 So, hey, look, if we wanted money, if we wanted to get, you know, 120,000 current viewers, just like old Candace Owens did, we can sit here and rag on Israel. 0.75

00:19:05.000 But I don't think that's correct information, unfortunately.

00:19:07.000 I think it's very interesting looking at what's happening to the right because I think the left experienced this type of same kind of populist wave takeover and then the problems that fall out as a ramification of kind of that unholy union, right?

00:19:18.000 So on the right, we've got this populist alt-right, which Joe Kent was somewhat attached to before because when he was getting confirmed, right, that was the Democrats' biggest issue with him is claiming this guy's altruist.

00:19:28.000 He's got Greiper connections.

00:19:29.000 He's a Fuentes type. 0.97

00:19:31.000 And so him now continuing in that trajectory as we see this right populist, America-first isolationist kind of zeitgeist getting more popular isn't overly surprising to me.

00:19:42.000 And I think part of the problem is that MAGA really shook hands with these populist further right people and were like, we're the same guys.

00:19:49.000 Even though I was like, neocons are not the same as Nick Funtes.

00:19:52.000 They never were.

00:19:53.000 That's true.

00:19:54.000 But the current trend that we're seeing with like Candace Megan Kelly and what I refer to as like the Israel posters, like Jimmy Doerr is a good example of this.

00:20:02.000 He's not a nationalist, America First guy, but he's posting all about Erica Kirk and Israel quite a bit.

00:20:08.000 There are many leftists who are on the same page.

00:20:11.000 Anna Kasperian of the Young Turks talks about how she watches Candace Noins now.

00:20:14.000 She loves her show.

00:20:15.000 This is a progressive, and it's like they've unified around the issue of Israel specifically.

00:20:19.000 So certainly the neocons, MAGA was very different two or three years ago.

00:20:26.000 It was very different.

00:20:28.000 And so there is a distinction between the America First and the anti-Israel America first.

00:20:35.000 There are people who, I would argue as a predominantly disfected liberal or libertarian, that don't want to fund Israel, but Israel isn't their boogeyman for every single issue.

00:20:45.000 They're more concerned with border security and the U.S. economy and not spending money on Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, whatever country it may be.

00:20:52.000 But then there's a group of people that are just like, nothing matters but Israel. 0.99

00:20:55.000 And we've had them on this show and like you could ask them about like, there is a raw bar that sells oysters and then they'll immediately somehow turn it into Israel.

00:21:04.000 Mediterranean?

00:21:05.000 And no.

00:21:06.000 Eastern Mediterranean.

00:21:07.000 Well, are you sure?

00:21:09.000 Yes.

00:21:10.000 And then they'll say, have you ever been to the Mediterranean?

00:21:12.000 And I'm like, why did you bring this up?

00:21:13.000 We were talking about oysters.

00:21:14.000 I'd be like, well, because when I was in Israel and then you're just flipping the table over, like, what does that have to do with anything?

00:21:19.000 So I have a lot of conspiracy theories, I suppose, or theories on this.

00:21:24.000 One I would say is that it's potentially just an emergent phenomenon without the constraints of, well, I would say not with constraints because the progressives don't like Israel either.

00:21:39.000 But you are seeing on X, people will get thousands of retweets when they just blame the Jews for something.

00:21:47.000 And I think this has to do with the foreigners that are operating bot accounts that we know they are. 0.94

00:21:52.000 There are a lot of anti-Israel countries in this world.

00:21:54.000 There's a lot of Muslim nations in this world that don't like Israel.

00:21:58.000 And they can click retweet.

00:21:59.000 And then if you're an American influencer and you make a post and you get 10,000 retweets, you're going to do it again because these people are just like, wow, this must be what people like.

00:22:09.000 Well, I'll tell you what I think.

00:22:10.000 I think I'm going to tell you what I think is true based on the facts and not based on what is going to get the most views.

00:22:16.000 And sometimes that means we won't get that many views, but at least we'll be more likely to be correct.

00:22:22.000 I'm curious, though, you know, I know you may just be a former actor guy, but following all of this stuff and seeing this shift and what people refer to as the mega civil war, whatever, like, what is your take on all this?

00:22:34.000 Well, I think that, well, firstly, talk about Joe Kent, right?

00:22:37.000 I think what is disappointing for me about that is that he was held in such high regard by so many people and so many people that I know that served with him.

00:22:47.000 And that's been very disappointing to me that when you resign, you have to burn the bridges.

00:22:52.000 Like, can't you just resign like the way it used to be and just go off and say, thank you very much.

00:22:57.000 I'm moving on.

00:22:57.000 I'm done.

00:22:59.000 I think exactly what you said as well, that it would make sense that if the FBI was investigating him earlier on, that maybe it got to a point where it was a problem for national security.

00:23:10.000 So we couldn't be in those meetings just by necessity if he's being investigated.

00:23:14.000 So it makes sense to me that he was being investigated before.

00:23:18.000 As far as the groups are concerned, I feel that, and we spoke about this earlier on, that the left has been trying to balkanize us for a long time.

00:23:31.000 And we've kind of resisted it to a degree.

00:23:34.000 And over the past few months, I'd say, it really has been moving into those directions.

00:23:41.000 like people feel like they have to have a take.

00:23:44.000 You know, they have to, you either you hate Israel or you love Israel.

00:23:47.000 You can't like say, well, as you just said, well, listen, I don't want to fund them.

00:23:52.000 But I see, I can look here and see that Americas and Israels have similar goals in this, so they join for this.

00:24:01.000 Nobody makes the argument about Saudi Arabia and all the other Gulf or all these other Arab countries coming together.

00:24:08.000 You never see someone saying, well, you're doing Saudi Arabia's bidding ever.

00:24:13.000 Right.

00:24:13.000 And that's peculiar to me.

00:24:15.000 And especially with the expiration of the petrodollar contract, Trump is particularly deferential to Saudi Arabia.

00:24:21.000 But again, that never comes up.

00:24:23.000 So I wonder if, you know, people say that Qatar is funding a lot of this stuff.

00:24:30.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

00:24:32.000 I don't know who's funding it, but Google certainly knows what's going on.

00:24:37.000 They know that their algorithm props up people who break the rules.

00:24:39.000 So the only assumption one could make is that they want it to happen for whatever reason.

00:24:46.000 Whatever conspiracy theory you may think of.

00:24:49.000 I think it's always, this is like one of the worst things about evil or wrongdoing is that so often it's banal in its purposes.

00:24:57.000 Like, why does Google maybe allow certain algorithms to be overtaken, probably by Russian and Chinese bots that are trying to sell like dissidents amongst our democracy?

00:25:06.000 Because it makes the money.

00:25:07.000 They can sell it to advertisers.

00:25:09.000 As long as they have sufficient plausible deniability, they can get away with it because there isn't really great rules about the internet because it's kind of the wild west.

00:25:18.000 It doesn't always have to be this like string puppeteer at the top.

00:25:21.000 Oftentimes it's really simple machinations of like wanting money and having enough plausible deniability to get away with it, right?

00:25:29.000 Like every con man's line is, if I wasn't conning people, somebody else would be, right?

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:35.000 The crazy thing about it is when I ask people, you know, if, you know, why is Candace Owens on the front page of YouTube?

00:25:44.000 When you open a new account, why is she a recommended personality?

00:25:47.000 Certainly, right, she has broken many of the rules and she's being sued for a lot of these things.

00:25:53.000 There's specific rules against brigading and targeting personalities or making accusations and things like that that people have gotten strikes for.

00:26:00.000 Other people have gotten their channels outright deleted without warning for doing less than she's done.

00:26:05.000 And when I bring this up to people, they say it's because the Jews want it to happen.

00:26:09.000 Now, I'm not kidding.

00:26:10.000 They say they want to be hated to bring on the Messianic era, which I suppose the argument then is the Jews are propping up Candace Owens for the purpose of fulfilling their whims, which means Candace Owens' anti-Israel content and Candace Owens herself are a function of Israel's desires. 0.82

00:26:26.000 Like none of it makes sense.

00:26:28.000 But you know what?

00:26:28.000 Maybe the real point is just to make sure none of it makes sense.

00:26:31.000 And my view of what's currently going on based on the conversations I've had, and I know I've said this 800,000 times for the sake of the guests here, the big networks, you know, CBS, HBO, whatever, NBC, they are looking to buy up prominent shows.

00:26:46.000 And the path, like where we are going is YouTube is being dominated by AI-generated slop content.

00:26:52.000 There's more and more videos videos popping up explaining how to make slop content, interviews in prominent news outlets with people who do it saying in two hours, you can make 500 videos per day and make 100,000 per month.

00:27:06.000 And so what that's going to do is just massively flood the zone.

00:27:10.000 Independent channels without the ability to be on top of the mountain of the broadcast tower will get drowned out.

00:27:15.000 They will not be able to make a living doing these things and they will be relegated to small back corners of the internet.

00:27:21.000 Then the networks are going to buy out the shows they view to be compelling, put them on their apps, and then you're going to have 10 big shows in politics and it's going to go back to the way things used to be where you had CNN with 10 million views per night and no one watched anything but Anderson Cooper or,

00:27:38.000 you know, at the time you still had Hannity and Rachel Maddow centralizing all views within a small handful of people where they may disagree on certain issues, but they all agree on basically the most important things, which is largely war.

00:27:52.000 You think we'll go back like the genies out of it.

00:27:54.000 It's going to be all with the internet video.

00:27:55.000 I don't, I mean, maybe humans could be, could be lulled back to sleep, but I don't know.

00:28:01.000 Maybe part of us, some of us will, and then there'll be a resistance that's a free network.

00:28:05.000 No, I think what we've seen with many of these YouTubers that are willing to talk about Candace Owens, I think they've proven it to anyone with eyes.

00:28:14.000 These people never had a genuine opinion.

00:28:17.000 They were just making videos about what they thought would make them money.

00:28:20.000 And so take a look at the individuals who make video after video about Erica Kirk's pants or whatever, you know, or like the look on her face because she did an interview and they're just like, look at her face.

00:28:31.000 Like, why is her face looking like that?

00:28:33.000 And I'm like, literally nothing's happening in the video, but they know they're going to get a ton of views.

00:28:36.000 Or that guy who went to a shopping center and said, why is Turning Point paying fees to an LLC in a parking lot when he knew full well he was in front of a UPS store with mailboxes where it is presumed the LLCs were registered to.

00:28:51.000 These people just say whatever they have to say to make money.

00:28:53.000 And that's been the argument for a long time.

00:28:55.000 So that's what we're looking at now.

00:28:57.000 We'll see that manifests in the midterms.

00:28:58.000 But you want to see him.

00:29:00.000 Well, yeah, when Google bought YouTube, I was making videos on YouTube 2007 and I was like, well, here we go.

00:29:05.000 Get ready for the corporatization of communication.

00:29:08.000 And then a bunch of my friends started getting really rich doing maker studios and like all they would sit and watch the analytics and they're like, they started calling it content.

00:29:16.000 I'm like, dude, it's not.

00:29:17.000 It's me communicating to you.

00:29:19.000 I'm talking to you.

00:29:20.000 It's product.

00:29:20.000 This is me.

00:29:21.000 And they'd be like, yes, our product is doing well in the market of analytics.

00:29:25.000 And I'm like, oh, my God.

00:29:26.000 And like, it just became about getting the money.

00:29:28.000 It became about the views.

00:29:29.000 Not just the money, but it became heavily about the money and being the, I mean, relevancy is one thing, but the money, when Google got that money in there, it's not that, I mean, I don't think you started doing this, Tim, for money.

00:29:42.000 I didn't start doing this for money.

00:29:44.000 I still don't.

00:29:46.000 It's like that you can get paid for. 0.99

00:29:47.000 It's still fucking insane. 0.98

00:29:48.000 I mean, it's a job. 0.94

00:29:49.000 I'd like to be able to make a living doing something.

00:29:52.000 But the reason we get here is because I was making videos and they weren't making money.

00:29:57.000 And then one day they were.

00:29:58.000 I was like, oh, wow.

00:29:59.000 Look at that.

00:29:59.000 I don't got to do anything else.

00:30:00.000 I watched like maybe 80 or 85% of my friends fall into the obsessed with the money part of it when that happened to them too. 0.93

00:30:06.000 And they're like, oh, shit, you can make money off this video. 0.93

00:30:08.000 It's not so much the money, though. 0.99

00:30:09.000 I think for a lot of these people, it's the viewership.

00:30:10.000 It's looking at that number.

00:30:11.000 It's like putting out a video and seeing 300,000.

00:30:15.000 And you're like, wow, I filled three stadiums.

00:30:18.000 And they get addicted to that social acceptance.

00:30:21.000 It's the same thing we see with like teenage girls on Instagram. 0.93

00:30:24.000 They post a picture of themselves.

00:30:26.000 And if they don't get enough likes, they delete it and then post a new one.

00:30:29.000 And they get depressed when their metrics go down.

00:30:32.000 One thing I've pointed out quite a bit is that you will get YouTubers, and you can look throughout history of YouTube, that will have like breakdown videos where they're crying, saying, I just can't do this anymore.

00:30:43.000 And all you got to do is look at their past several videos, and you'll almost always see like 1 million views, 900,000 views, 700,000 views, 400,000 views, mental breakdown video.

00:30:56.000 Guys, I can't do this anymore.

00:30:57.000 And it's because it's a normal human thing where they feel like I am fighting as hard as I can, but no matter what I do, I'm failing.

00:31:05.000 Instead of just making videos because they have something to talk about and they want to talk about something, they're actually feeling more and more depressed because they're not getting views anymore.

00:31:14.000 It's a sad cycle because the more miserable you get, the less interesting you are to watch.

00:31:17.000 So the people that get sad about being sad and then their views go down and they're sad about that, which makes the views even worse.

00:31:23.000 No, I think it's different from that.

00:31:26.000 When they make the, I'm dying and I can't do this anymore video, they get 10 million views and then YouTube boosts them in the algorithm again.

00:31:32.000 They make another video and they're back to getting a million views and they're like, you know what?

00:31:35.000 I'm feeling good now.

00:31:37.000 It's a psychotic machine.

00:31:39.000 You're right about the relevancy obsession.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, PewDiePie just put a video talking about algorithm brain and how everyone's being made to be retarded by these social media algorithms. 0.97

00:31:50.000 And he actually made a few good points.

00:31:51.000 He said, get a separate device for browsing social media and don't make an account.

00:31:55.000 Just always use like a private browser or use a device not yours so that none of your apps, none of your emails, nothing is connected to it.

00:32:03.000 Otherwise, they're going to start manipulating you to see things they want you to see, which is creepy, but that's the way it works.

00:32:08.000 So stop chasing the algorithm and that growth for the sake of growth is cancer or can become cancerous.

00:32:13.000 Corporations, the ethos of we must expand for the, I think that's going to change too, because a corporation that just grows for the sake of growth ends up overtaking itself and strangling out its own system.

00:32:23.000 Like becomes a machine.

00:32:24.000 sustainable corporations man that their whole sole purpose is to sustain the environment and if you can live like that as a creator too it's not about you mean like a generic environment like just the system that they've built is to sustain itself Yeah, to sustain the luxury and the beauty that's provided for you to create what you're, you know.

00:32:41.000 This is why nonprofits don't work because the function of a nonprofit should be to put itself out of business.

00:32:46.000 But have a 20-year-old nonprofit with an executive director who signed on three years ago who makes $200,000 a year and he's going to be like, I don't want to lose my job.

00:32:53.000 But let's jump to this story.

00:32:54.000 We got more news.

00:32:55.000 It's from Axios.

00:32:56.000 The squad left suffers complete wipeout in Illinois.

00:33:00.000 Heavens me, all the progressives got just wiped out.

00:33:04.000 And here we go, ladies and gentlemen.

00:33:07.000 I got a question for you guys.

00:33:09.000 What do you think Axios focuses on in this article about the progressives losing in Illinois?

00:33:16.000 What do you think is the true subject and focal point of this article?

00:33:21.000 Racism.

00:33:22.000 APAC.

00:33:23.000 You are correct because you probably read it, right?

00:33:25.000 I just, I've seen APAC posting all day.

00:33:28.000 It's Israel. 0.51

00:33:29.000 Like running laps.

00:33:30.000 So I pull up an article talking about progressives losing.

00:33:34.000 And these are people who are protesting ICE operations at DHS.

00:33:38.000 But again, welcome to the psycho-babble reality because the whole article is just about APAC.

00:33:44.000 That's it.

00:33:45.000 Now, to be fair, APAC did back a bunch of their opponents and then celebrate.

00:33:49.000 But there's certainly a lot more to talk about than just APAC.

00:33:52.000 If you want to talk about APAC, that's fine.

00:33:54.000 But literally every point in this, like how many times, let's just do this.

00:33:59.000 12 times in this article, look at this.

00:34:03.000 It's so frustrating, too, because I'm very critical of APAC, but I'm critical of APAC for the same reason I'm critical of almost every single super PAC and carry committee, which is that I don't like unreported money and I don't like high power special interest lobby groups having so much capacity and weight in our elections, regardless of like what they're for, right?

00:34:24.000 I don't want oil lobbyists just like funding and driving.

00:34:27.000 I don't like that.

00:34:28.000 I don't like carry committees.

00:34:30.000 I think that they're bad generally.

00:34:32.000 I think they've been bad for a democracy.

00:34:34.000 So what do you think it says about Illinois that the progressives lost?

00:34:39.000 Is this an argument of APAC just spent enough money to crush them, or is it that most people don't like these progressive Democrats?

00:34:47.000 I'd have to see what the funding differences were because a lot of people know that when you're running elections, funding makes a huge difference of who wins because a lot of election is just getting people to see your name and face, right?

00:35:00.000 Because most voters are not that informed.

00:35:02.000 Most voters aren't on Instagram looking for Kat and liking her stuff.

00:35:06.000 And I think a lot of progressives are trying to take the Soron Mamdani, kind of Gavin Newsome social media strategy, and really trying to utilize alt media to campaign themselves.

00:35:14.000 James Talarico did it really successfully as well.

00:35:17.000 But I think one of the issues that they have to contend with is that if you have massive carry committees funding moderates and moderates will take it, because a lot of these people won't take PAC money or they'll take very limited PAC money, you just can't get your name out there, right?

00:35:30.000 The reality is that a lot of elections are won by who spends the most.

00:35:34.000 Not always.

00:35:34.000 And sometimes there are breakout elections, but the statistical norm is that.

00:35:39.000 Well, I suppose like an article like this, the progressives are going to make the arguments and they're going to rally a ton of support from conservatives that Israel interfered to stop the far left from losing.

00:35:49.000 Then I imagine with articles like that, I mean, this is Axios, right?

00:35:52.000 Axios is supposed to just be like plain old report in the news.

00:35:56.000 They do lean liberal on a lot of issues, but certainly you can criticize APAC for funding candidates, but there are many other issues in this election.

00:36:04.000 Notably, like Kat Abu Gazela, for instance, was arrested.

00:36:06.000 She was at these ICE protests.

00:36:08.000 That's going to sour her view to many individuals who live in Illinois.

00:36:13.000 She's also Palestinian, pro-Palestine, critical of Israel in the most Jewish district in the state, I believe, in Evanston.

00:36:21.000 So, again, that does play a role, but all they do is talk about APAC.

00:36:26.000 What'll be interesting is I've made the arguments, half-jokingly, that the future of the left and the right will be anti- and pro-Israel.

00:36:35.000 That you've got it's terrifying to think about.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, I think what unifies the whatever this group is, the anti-Israel right with the left, and it's the issue of Israel.

00:36:50.000 You could take Tucker Carlson and bring him on the Young Turks at this point, and they will get along perfectly. 0.83

00:36:57.000 I mean, the fact that, like, Anna Kasparian says she's a fan of Candace and watches her show, so long as the issue is Israel, these people have come together and aren't really arguing these other issues anymore.

00:37:07.000 And the reason why I say that the potential for the future of the left and right will be Israel, anti-Israel, is that you can take a look at the previous coalition for MAGA, which was disaffected liberals who were maybe like pro-progressive tax, but were now aligned with the Republican Party who was opposed to this because they were concerned about like gender dysphoria issues or critical race theory. 0.55

00:37:28.000 Well, I think you know, you mentioned something earlier going back to when you said you know you're at a stage where you didn't have views and then you had views.

00:37:37.000 And it's probably around the same time that the entertainment industry was getting more and more emboldened with the way that they wanted to influence culture.

00:37:47.000 So if you look at something like this, where you've got 12 references to APAC in there, that's really obvious.

00:37:54.000 I mean, all you've got to do is look at it and say, boom, So when you have someone else that's coming out and they're saying, hey, listen, I'm just telling you the way I think and I'm being reasonable and I'm not being swayed one way or the other by money or by bias.

00:38:07.000 I'm just telling you the way I have, the way I am, there's an element of authenticity there.

00:38:12.000 And I think that what you, what you, and I was just going back to talk about what you were saying earlier, that nobody trusts the mainstream media anymore.

00:38:24.000 Nobody trusts CNN.

00:38:26.000 Nobody trusts Fox anymore, right?

00:38:28.000 Like nobody trusts any of these people.

00:38:30.000 So I think that what is going to happen with the increasing, because they're not stopping, right?

00:38:34.000 You think that they'd be like, hey, hang on a minute.

00:38:36.000 This is a little bit too obvious.

00:38:38.000 It's a little bit too obvious, right?

00:38:40.000 Let's let's just scale it back a little bit.

00:38:43.000 They're not doing that.

00:38:44.000 So there's going to come a point because they do want to make money.

00:38:46.000 They are essentially, certainly on the news shows, they are entertainment, right?

00:38:51.000 They want to get the clicks.

00:38:53.000 So they will go back, I believe.

00:38:54.000 And I do think they'll do what you're saying.

00:38:57.000 Certainly with the way that YouTube is moving with all the crap that's on there, that it's going to end up, they're going to come in and they're going to say, okay, well, I'm going to bring these people in and try and make them mainstream and make their own news organizations through it.

00:39:12.000 And hopefully, you know, that might be a good thing in a way because you still have authenticity.

00:39:18.000 Because if you think about it, like the YouTubers that have been a success have done it themselves.

00:39:24.000 They've bootstrapped it.

00:39:25.000 Whereas if you look back at the Yur Anderson Coopers and whatever, it's the channel.

00:39:31.000 The channel was the platform, right?

00:39:34.000 The channel was already there.

00:39:35.000 It already had funding.

00:39:36.000 It had money behind it.

00:39:37.000 And so they kind of slotted into that.

00:39:39.000 And when they started parroting the BS and everyone was like, hang on a second, like what?

00:39:44.000 How did you, how did you come to that?

00:39:46.000 It was rejected for more authentic people.

00:39:50.000 I'm telling y'all right now, it's already happening.

00:39:54.000 And the big networks know that like Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, this model is on the way out.

00:40:01.000 People don't trust them anymore and their views are largely pumped up, but it's not organically sustaining itself.

00:40:07.000 So Colbert can do well in terms of his videos, but it's because YouTube puts them up on the front page, default viewership, because he is Colbert, because it is, you know, NBC is CBS or NBC.

00:40:18.000 These networks have a mandate right now to purchase authentic feeling podcasts.

00:40:24.000 Fox News launched the Hennedy podcast, Hanging Out with Sean Hennedy, because they know they have to do this, otherwise they will cease to exist.

00:40:31.000 70-year-olds, you know, a big component is the viewership of these channels is in their 70s.

00:40:38.000 And that's it.

00:40:39.000 They're not getting the views in the key demo.

00:40:41.000 So what's going to happen is there's going to be a semi-decentralized series of podcasts picked up by every major network.

00:40:48.000 Everybody else, you are going to be on YouTube and you're going to be fighting against AI content that can be produced 10 times as fast for a tenth of the money.

00:40:56.000 And there's no way you'll make it.

00:40:58.000 Regular, one more point.

00:40:59.000 Regular people are going to say, I don't use YouTube.

00:41:02.000 It's just noise.

00:41:03.000 YouTube will start to prop up just like the other big networks.

00:41:07.000 Let me put it like this.

00:41:09.000 I have already had conversations with powerful executives that are making these moves.

00:41:13.000 It was explained to me a month ago that a meeting was held in Florida between large television networks to discuss specifically how they purchase podcasts and take the space over.

00:41:22.000 They didn't say it's so nefariously.

00:41:23.000 They said, we recognize that the industry has shifted.

00:41:25.000 These old shows don't work anymore.

00:41:27.000 And so the mandate of these companies is to start acquiring prominent shows and authentic podcasts that we can put on the network and generate money through because that model works better.

00:41:38.000 So what we're going to see is YouTube will be a network just like Paramount Plus, Netflix, or any of these other channels.

00:41:47.000 The way they're going to operate, though, is not going to be the same where it'll be somewhat like a hybrid between Amazon and say Paramount Plus.

00:41:55.000 Paramount Plus owns IP.

00:41:57.000 You pay per month and you get the shows they make.

00:41:59.000 And they got awesome shows, but Landman's fantastic.

00:42:01.000 And they got all the Star Trek stuff.

00:42:03.000 So I like it.

00:42:04.000 YouTube is supposedly the user-generated content of organic producers.

00:42:09.000 But it's becoming increasingly more difficult to be an organic creator on YouTube.

00:42:14.000 Amazon is the you buy it.

00:42:17.000 They do have their originals, so you can sign up for Prime, but they have certain creators they allow to be on the platform.

00:42:23.000 You register, you get approved, and then you can submit your movies and Amazon will host them and you can make money, but not everyone can do it.

00:42:29.000 YouTube is going to be a kind of a hybrid between that, where there will be people who start their own channels, but then YouTube behind the scenes is going to decide this channel should be on the front page.

00:42:38.000 And that's largely what we're seeing right now.

00:42:39.000 We're seeing who they've chosen to be at the top of YouTube.

00:42:43.000 Obviously, Mr. Beast is one of them.

00:42:45.000 Whether or not people actually care to watch Mr. Beast shows, YouTube has decided this is family-friendly, generic entertainment.

00:42:52.000 You know, I'm not saying that disrespectfully.

00:42:54.000 It's like very basic.

00:42:55.000 That's going to be on the front page.

00:42:57.000 They've decided that a series of other political personalities with certain views are going to get heavily promoted and others are not.

00:43:03.000 I think a lot of this will come down to liability, though, right, as well.

00:43:06.000 Like one of the issues that I think mainstream is always going to have, like something like CBS, is that they have a lot more liability to the content that they put out there.

00:43:13.000 They can be held accountable if Sean Hannity goes on like a crazy long anti-Semitic rant, right?

00:43:19.000 Whereas Candace Owens, YouTube isn't held liable for it because YouTube's being like, well, we're not producing any of this.

00:43:25.000 We just make a platform.

00:43:26.000 We try to, you know, mandate some of these things.

00:43:29.000 So I think a lot of this is going to come down to probably different lawsuits.

00:43:32.000 I think that the cron lawsuit against Candace Owens will be really important to look at of who has liability for what type of content.

00:43:40.000 And this is why I think right now alt media can be so successful with a lot of this more conspiratorial stuff is because YouTube is not liable for Candace Owens screaming every day about Erica Kirk being a trans or a Jew or like whatever else she says about Erica Kirk.

00:43:54.000 But CBS might actually be liable for that and they won't take that risk on it.

00:43:59.000 We've got this story from the verge.

00:43:59.000 Not for long.

00:44:01.000 Congress considers blowing up internet law.

00:44:05.000 Section 230 is not one of the Ten Commandments.

00:44:08.000 There was a hearing today over Section 230 and this is largely overlooked and the Verge is not going to let us read the article.

00:44:14.000 So I'll have to offer to log in.

00:44:15.000 But I'll give you a quick bit.

00:44:17.000 Internet Platforms Liability Shield Section 230 faced another round of attack at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on Wednesday, this time with two distinct undercurrents complaining in the conversation.

00:44:25.000 One was an unprecedented wave of ongoing legal challenges to the law's scope.

00:44:29.000 And the second was a heightened bipartisan concern over government censorship.

00:44:33.000 I genuinely believe, well, I shouldn't say genuinely believe, but I would put it this way.

00:44:38.000 There is a strong probability that Section 230 goes a bye-bye.

00:44:42.000 For those who are not familiar with what Section 230 is, it is blanket immunity in an absolutely ridiculous way for internet content providers.

00:44:54.000 What it's supposed to do.

00:44:56.000 Well, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is supposed to, basically, the argument is this.

00:45:02.000 I'm a website.

00:45:03.000 You can post stuff to it.

00:45:05.000 You made the post, not me.

00:45:07.000 You can't sue me because of what someone posted on my site.

00:45:11.000 However, Section 230 is a protection.

00:45:13.000 It's more than just that.

00:45:15.000 It's specifically to allow a website to remove content they find objectionable, lewd, and lascivious without facing liability.

00:45:23.000 And that's where things get weird.

00:45:25.000 This blanket immunity has resulted in psychotic levels of defamation for which many people have consistently challenged it.

00:45:33.000 At the same time, it's basically the only reason user-generated content websites can exist.

00:45:38.000 The question then becomes: why is YouTube allowed to have a political and editorial agenda?

00:45:44.000 They do.

00:45:45.000 When they create rules saying that you can't disparage one group, but you can another, that is an editorial guideline.

00:45:52.000 And then allowing that content to exist is propping that content up.

00:45:55.000 Certainly, they bear some responsibility there.

00:45:58.000 The issue is that there is no unified definition of lewd and lascivious. 0.93

00:46:02.000 And as our culture has bifurcated, they've come out saying, you're allowed to insult white people because no one cares, but you can insult black people. 0.83

00:46:09.000 Well, then conservatives get mad and say, why? 0.87

00:46:11.000 That's racist.

00:46:12.000 So now you have YouTube saying, we're going to remove anything that insults black people, but not white people, because we find only one thing objectionable, creating this political conundrum where now there is a question of whether or not any of these sites should actually have liability shields.

00:46:26.000 I have entertained the prospect, I don't know how probable it is for a while now, that we could enter a future where Section 230 is dead and YouTube has a sort of filtration system for new content where the rules become particularly egregious.

00:46:42.000 That means YouTube says, if you say anything that results in a lawsuit against YouTube, you will be banned instantly.

00:46:50.000 Because YouTube wants to be using generated content, but without immunity protections from Section 230, they can't be.

00:46:57.000 So how you hybridize a scenario where they lose Section 230, I honestly don't know.

00:47:01.000 The only result then is that YouTube will turn into a website where you have to apply for approval and have a meeting with YouTube to determine, and they would ask you, show us examples of content you have made in the past.

00:47:13.000 And if we believe that this is safe content, we will then approve you or worse.

00:47:18.000 Anyone can upload a video, but it has to be reviewed by a human at YouTube before it gets confirmed to post.

00:47:24.000 I think this is a strong possibility of where we're going.

00:47:26.000 And it lends into what I was saying about the big networks trying to take back the narrative machine.

00:47:31.000 So I don't know what you guys think, but we're going to make it through this one or what?

00:47:35.000 Yeah, the antidote is for people to upload and maintain their own data with networks, kind of like BitTorrent systems, where I'll just be hosting my own videos locally on my device and you'll be able to subscribe.

00:47:49.000 And then we'll have networks of networks that are interoperating.

00:47:52.000 So it takes the load off of central systems because you can't have liability on central systems or they shut down.

00:47:58.000 Yeah, I'm really of two minds here because I think on one hand, I'm a really big proponent of free speech.

00:48:03.000 And obviously a lot of these platforms have become kind of our town square.

00:48:07.000 And so people having high, high, basically stakeholder, because it's fundamentally what they're going to get rid of is stuff that makes them liable and stuff that their stakeholders don't like.

00:48:16.000 Deciding what free speech is on the platform feels a little bit spooky, even though it's a private entity.

00:48:21.000 And at the same time, I really hate the way that Russia and China have been able to utilize bot farms to cause so much political polarization and rage through intentional kind of like bot farming and AI slop and all these sort of things that I think is actively dangerous for democracy, let alone for kids, right?

00:48:45.000 I think that people increasingly don't even know what's real.

00:48:48.000 It's terrifying talking to my dad and being like, yeah, that crocodile video like at the person's door is not real.

00:48:52.000 That's AI.

00:48:53.000 That's not a real idea.

00:48:55.000 I have a question.

00:48:57.000 With all due respect to the boomers that are watching, some of you probably agree. 0.73

00:49:02.000 Is there something wrong with boomers? 1.00

00:49:04.000 There was a lot of lead in gasoline for a while.

00:49:07.000 Seriously, that's not unironically.

00:49:09.000 Is that what has resulted in like the people who believe this tend to be boomers?

00:49:14.000 You know that phenomenon where the Native Americans would stand on the beach and look out at the ocean day after day after day.

00:49:19.000 And then all of a sudden one wise native was out there and watching and he's like, there's something out there, a ship.

00:49:24.000 None of them had ever seen a ship before.

00:49:26.000 So they didn't understand what it was.

00:49:28.000 Therefore, they didn't see the thing because they weren't able to comprehend the concept.

00:49:31.000 And I think that's what's happening with these people.

00:49:33.000 I'm a Democrat now.

00:49:33.000 You're right.

00:49:35.000 Uh-oh.

00:49:36.000 That wasn't my intention.

00:49:37.000 No, no, I just, I just realized it. 1.00

00:49:39.000 I mean, if we can approach it, the Democratic Party is the party of say whatever you have to say to convince stupid people to vote for you. 0.99

00:49:46.000 And I've just realized that, you know what? 0.99

00:49:48.000 There's a good 20% of people at the high end of the bell curve who can understand what's going on.

00:49:52.000 Maybe all of us who understand that should just seize the power by lying to people like Democrats do.

00:49:56.000 Because most people are standing on the beach and they can't see the ship.

00:49:59.000 And I'm sitting here screaming, Mother Effer, there's a ship right there.

00:50:02.000 And they're like, no, it's a Jew. 1.00

00:50:03.000 Trump.

00:50:04.000 Famous truth teller Trump.

00:50:06.000 You know that.

00:50:07.000 I'd say Trump was a famous truth teller.

00:50:09.000 I don't know if it's just Democrats.

00:50:10.000 The difficulty that, well, the frustrating thing about this is that they're already censoring us.

00:50:16.000 Right.

00:50:16.000 They're already censoring us.

00:50:17.000 So all they're going to get, all you're going to get if they pass this is more censorship towards the people on the right.

00:50:25.000 But don't we, we have to censor ourselves.

00:50:28.000 They say that, yeah, but they're like, oh, it's like we, we, we're fair now, but they're not fair.

00:50:33.000 Like you're saying, you know who they're pushing.

00:50:35.000 I got to be honest, I think who are they pushing?

00:50:40.000 You're saying there are certain people that they're putting in the algorithms.

00:50:42.000 Yes, but at the same time, Larry Ellison bought CBS and Free Press, and Barry Weiss is a proud Zionist. 0.92

00:50:47.000 So I actually think there is an elite civil war going on.

00:50:51.000 I said it.

00:50:51.000 Ah, civil war.

00:50:52.000 But not in the context you guys normally are used to.

00:50:54.000 We've talked about this since Trump got elected, that he's a powerful billionaire.

00:50:57.000 Other billionaires don't like him.

00:50:59.000 And that they've tried to remove him from power.

00:51:01.000 It seems like there's a political battle between different special interest elitist groups.

00:51:07.000 And I wonder if it has to do with China versus the U.S. and plans for what the liberal economic order will look like.

00:51:14.000 What I can say, though, is certainly YouTube is propping up people of a certain political viewpoint.

00:51:19.000 But now we've got the purchase of TikTok and CBS, which is an inverse political viewpoint.

00:51:24.000 I'm just sitting here being like, you got billionaires on both sides propping it up.

00:51:28.000 Maybe there's no civil war. 0.99

00:51:29.000 Maybe they're doing it to make everybody fight each other over a dumb, I won't swear, dumb-ish. 0.98

00:51:33.000 I mean, like, there's this interesting thing, right? 0.97

00:51:36.000 If you go to like the Curtis Yarvin kind of like the dark right, which the dark right.

00:51:41.000 I know I'm giving you a great segue for your, uh, one of the topics we talked about before, but Yarvin and a lot of the billionaires that are his proponents are accelerationists, right?

00:51:41.000 The dark right here.

00:51:53.000 They are anti-democratic.

00:51:54.000 They think that democracies don't work.

00:51:56.000 They've been tried and they failed.

00:51:57.000 And they do genuinely want to see like the ending of the democratic liberal order.

00:52:04.000 And when I say liberal, I don't mean Democrats.

00:52:05.000 I mean just like liberalism of democracy.

00:52:09.000 And I think that there are other oligarchs who fundamentally think that capitalism and democracy has been broadly good and want to continue fighting for this.

00:52:18.000 That's my suspicion.

00:52:19.000 What do you mean by democracy?

00:52:21.000 The representation that we, representative democracy, which we have in America right now.

00:52:27.000 So, without getting into semantics, we're a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.

00:52:32.000 Sure, but...

00:52:33.000 Which is distinctly different from...

00:52:34.000 Why did the founding fathers not say democracy, do you know?

00:52:37.000 Why did they not say democracy?

00:52:38.000 Yeah, why did they define it in the way that you defined it?

00:52:40.000 They defined it as a republic.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, why did they not say democracy?

00:52:42.000 Well, the presumption is that direct democracy means the people vote on their laws.

00:52:45.000 Right.

00:52:46.000 They didn't like the Grecian democracy.

00:52:47.000 In fact, the 17th Amendment fundamentally changed the structure of our government because it used to be that the states would appoint senators to the federal government.

00:52:57.000 And now it's the people voting for it, which dramatically altered what the Founding Fathers' vision was.

00:53:01.000 Oh, well, sort of.

00:53:03.000 It depends on which Founding Father you're talking about.

00:53:05.000 Because the system they created, obviously there was dissent.

00:53:05.000 Well, sure, sure.

00:53:08.000 There were the Federals and Anti-Federalists.

00:53:10.000 But the system they created functioned as you voted for your state reps, your states were effectively their own entities, and then the state would appoint senators to go to the federal government.

00:53:17.000 Right, but they were very open in acknowledging because for them, suffrage was about stakeholdership.

00:53:22.000 All they wanted is to make sure that the people who were voting had stakes in the country.

00:53:25.000 I agree with that.

00:53:26.000 Right?

00:53:26.000 I do too.

00:53:27.000 I actually think that I think that stakeholdership, the issue is they at the time were like, oh, what's the best test of stakeholdership in our brand new little baby country?

00:53:34.000 Well, at the time, it was actually landowning, right?

00:53:36.000 Because they're like, well, landowners are the most motivated to make sure the Brits don't take the colonies back.

00:53:40.000 So we're going to give it to landowners.

00:53:42.000 But they were always open that it would have to update and that suffrage would have to change based on proper stakeholdership.

00:53:48.000 I think now being a citizen over 18 is sufficient stakeholdership.

00:53:52.000 No, which is why every political philosopher will tell you we have a democracy.

00:53:56.000 It's just a, it's a representative democracy.

00:53:58.000 It's not a direct democracy.

00:53:59.000 Well, actually, actually, we have to argue we have simultaneously a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic, and they're trying to coexist within the same space.

00:54:07.000 And that's what's causing a lot of these problems.

00:54:10.000 Because I certainly don't agree that being 18 and a citizen is sufficient because you have people who don't understand and don't care voting simply because the strategy of the Democrats, the reason why they don't want the SAVE Act, for instance, has nothing to do with illegal immigrants voting.

00:54:25.000 Like the conservatives will say, the Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote, which is not true.

00:54:29.000 The Democrats want to send young activists to rock concerts to register people to vote who don't know and don't care.

00:54:34.000 Then they can do ballot, they can go ballot harvesting or they can do voter drives and get people who aren't paying attention to vote.

00:54:40.000 That is bad for any democracy, whether it's a constitutional republic with democratic institutions.

00:54:45.000 Maybe. 0.86

00:54:46.000 Would you actually argue that uninformed, ignorant people being pressured to vote is a good thing for a system? 0.97

00:54:52.000 I think it could be. 0.93

00:54:53.000 I think, well, here, I think.

00:54:55.000 How?

00:54:56.000 Well, I think that voting and self-interest is the best way to vote. 0.99

00:54:58.000 I think that when voters are uninformed and stupid and they just vote for what's best for them, that I think is... 0.99

00:55:03.000 But they're not voting for what's best for them. 1.00

00:55:05.000 I think they usually are, right?

00:55:06.000 This is why small business owners tend to go right because they want lower taxation.

00:55:09.000 This is why people in the healthcare industry tend to go left and universities because, again, they're in these industries.

00:55:14.000 You agree, but that's not what we're talking about.

00:55:16.000 We're talking about those man on the street videos from Times Square where they ask someone to name a country that starts with the letter U and they go Utah.

00:55:23.000 And what I look, I'm not here to defend the American citizens foreign policy knowledge.

00:55:29.000 But hold on.

00:55:30.000 Should those people be voting?

00:55:31.000 Is it good for a system when an individual who doesn't know their own capital when they vote?

00:55:37.000 And let me stress this.

00:55:39.000 I worked for a nonprofit and we did, I told the story a couple weeks ago. 0.89

00:55:45.000 They asked me if I wanted to go register people to vote at a Death Cap for Cutie concert, of which I am a huge fan of that band and said, holy crap, are you kidding?

00:55:52.000 And then I didn't even realize they gave me an all-access pass and all I had to do was get people to register to vote.

00:55:57.000 The people who were at that concert did not know the first thing about what they needed or wanted.

00:56:02.000 They were completely clueless 18-year-olds.

00:56:05.000 When voting time comes, people go to them and say, vote Democrat.

00:56:09.000 And they go, okay, I guess.

00:56:10.000 And they don't know why they're voting.

00:56:12.000 I don't know if that's true that they say that.

00:56:13.000 I will tell you as an activist who personally went to these people and asked them to do it.

00:56:18.000 They could not tell me left from right in politics.

00:56:21.000 I believe that.

00:56:22.000 And they're voting.

00:56:23.000 The thing that I'm saying.

00:56:24.000 So this is one of the issues, right?

00:56:26.000 Do we limit democracy?

00:56:28.000 I'm open.

00:56:29.000 I'm actually open to it.

00:56:31.000 The issue is how do you do it in such a way that every partisan side and every person feels not unfairly done by, right?

00:56:42.000 And again, suffrage isn't about who's most informed. 0.99

00:56:46.000 Suffrage is about who has stakes, right? 1.00

00:56:48.000 Who has stakes in the country, which every citizen does.

00:56:50.000 Now, my actual like perfect limited democracy is there's a magical button that you touch and God knows your heart and knows if you love your country.

00:56:58.000 And if it goes green, you get the vote, right?

00:57:00.000 So you're a patriot, right?

00:57:02.000 That would mean Republicans win every election from here on.

00:57:04.000 I actually think lots of liberals, I mean, who is holding signs?

00:57:07.000 Who's holding science?

00:57:08.000 We're not talking about liberals.

00:57:08.000 We love America.

00:57:09.000 We're talking about progressives.

00:57:11.000 Well, liberals are Democrats, right?

00:57:13.000 Progressives vote Democrat.

00:57:13.000 I'm liberal.

00:57:15.000 They tried running these races.

00:57:16.000 And I think if you pressed a button and when you press this button, God would just be like, if you don't love your country, your vote doesn't count.

00:57:24.000 Republicans would dominate everything.

00:57:26.000 Possibly.

00:57:27.000 I don't actually know if that's necessarily.

00:57:29.000 Do you think the Democrats, which side has more nationalist fervor?

00:57:33.000 I mean, do you really think the Democrats would?

00:57:36.000 Potentially, yeah.

00:57:37.000 I think so.

00:57:37.000 Oh, come on.

00:57:38.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 Well, I mean, what would Democrats do?

00:57:39.000 They would immediately start rising left fervor for patriotism, right?

00:57:43.000 These are people who, like, I'm not talking about Democrat liberals.

00:57:47.000 I'm not talking about like you're running the mill regular liberal in the city.

00:57:50.000 They'll wave an American flag.

00:57:51.000 But when you go to like Portland, for instance, the protesters during one of these like BLM marches or whatever went to a guy's, a random house.

00:57:59.000 As they're marching through a neighborhood, he has an American flag, and they knocked on his door and told him to take the flag down or else.

00:58:04.000 Those people, they vote, and their vote won't count if you press that button.

00:58:07.000 Well, on the right.

00:58:08.000 Again, God might say they love Portland.

00:58:10.000 They love the people around them.

00:58:12.000 Right.

00:58:12.000 And again, part of the reason why this is funny, well, I think they certainly don't love their country.

00:58:17.000 Loving your neighbors within America and having major criticisms.

00:58:20.000 Like part of being American is having issues, right?

00:58:22.000 Like lots of libertarians, I say, would be patriots, even though they're also very, very critical of the American government, right?

00:58:29.000 And so like, would some people not count on my magical god test?

00:58:32.000 Yes, but it's a magical god test.

00:58:33.000 That's why it's kind of a joke is that we can't know these things necessarily.

00:58:37.000 But I think a good stakeholdership is: I care about the outcomes of my country.

00:58:41.000 And I think the reality is that a lot of progressives do care about the outcomes of their countries.

00:58:45.000 They genuinely do.

00:58:46.000 Let's try this.

00:58:48.000 In a system, let's say there's 100 people and it's a standard IQ bell curve.

00:58:54.000 And let's say the top 40% don't vote.

00:58:57.000 So the bottom 60% do.

00:58:59.000 Well, they definitely would.

00:59:00.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:59:03.000 So let's say you have 100 people and the top 40% of the most intelligent decide we're not going to vote.

00:59:09.000 The bottom 60 does vote.

00:59:11.000 Will that system survive?

00:59:14.000 I think it will.

00:59:15.000 I think it will.

00:59:15.000 Based on like my.

00:59:16.000 So I could be wrong.

00:59:17.000 This is one where I'm like, I'm 65% on this.

00:59:19.000 I could be moved either way.

00:59:20.000 I think it will.

00:59:21.000 You think that the low end of the bell curve on intelligence can sustain a national economy and system?

00:59:29.000 Well, not a national economy and system.

00:59:32.000 We'll be able to have a lot of people.

00:59:32.000 We'll vote.

00:59:33.000 No, no, no, I'm saying, will the system survive if only the stupidest people are the ones who are running it? 1.00

00:59:38.000 Wait, okay. 1.00

00:59:39.000 No, these are two different questions.

00:59:40.000 Are we saying the people that are also running in office, like basically intellectual, high IQ people in general in the country?

00:59:47.000 There's just 100 people.

00:59:48.000 Yep.

00:59:50.000 And they're voting on issues of how they run their little micro-nation.

00:59:54.000 The top 40% of intelligence say, I'm not interested.

00:59:57.000 Well, my question is, who are the politicians?

00:59:59.000 Are they also part of the low IQ?

01:00:01.000 It's that bracket of the 60% from the police. 1.00

01:00:04.000 So like the politicians themselves are stupid. 1.00

01:00:06.000 They're in that same bracket. 1.00

01:00:07.000 The top 40% have removed them.

01:00:08.000 So if now we're getting to like who actually is in office, that's a different conversation.

01:00:13.000 But I'm talking about voters, right?

01:00:14.000 I don't think voters have to be high IQ.

01:00:15.000 I obviously want politicians to be informed.

01:00:17.000 But again, my question is: you have 100 people and the top 40%, let's just say, remove themselves from the process entirely.

01:00:24.000 And only the bottom, we say bottom 60%, but from the bottom to the top to slightly above average, they're the only ones engaging in politics.

01:00:31.000 Will that system survive?

01:00:32.000 Only ones engaging in politics?

01:00:34.000 No, because that's assuming that politicians.

01:00:36.000 But that's not what I'm talking about when I'm talking about that.

01:00:38.000 I'm just presenting this hypothetical.

01:00:38.000 I know.

01:00:39.000 The system would not survive.

01:00:40.000 No. 0.63

01:00:41.000 My point largely is that if you argue that you only need to be 18 years old and a citizen in order to vote, you are going to have the ease of opportunity to get more ignorant voters versus smart voters.

01:00:56.000 So if you take a look at the well, no, because lower IQ people are also going to come up against different resistances that make them less likely to actually turn on a vote.

01:01:05.000 Like I suspect you're going to have to urban locations where you have high density of people and you need two activists to go to each apartment building to get 500 votes each.

01:01:13.000 And all you have to do to convince them to vote is say Trump's a Nazi and they go, okay, and then they vote Democrat.

01:01:18.000 So arguably then the Republicans are doing the same thing.

01:01:21.000 They're just going to other areas and being able to get a lot of people in the United States.

01:01:23.000 Indeed, but Republicans don't have population density.

01:01:25.000 Republicans don't have population density.

01:01:27.000 And Republicans are disagreeable.

01:01:30.000 I'm sure you've seen that graph that shows the Democrats are a singular cluster that largely agree and the Republicans are a disparate bunch.

01:01:37.000 I think a great example of this is the current trends that Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace, et cetera, that were big Trump supporters and now are not.

01:01:45.000 The right is absolutely fractured.

01:01:46.000 Joe Kent's resignation.

01:01:48.000 MAGA may be still MAGA.

01:01:50.000 People may still support Trump, but the libertarian, disrupted liberal coalition that wrapped around, that boosted them, are not on board.

01:01:58.000 So that's going to make it increasingly difficult to convince someone on the right.

01:02:02.000 You know what really, really sucks is that I watch some of these liberal YouTubers, and it's just really, I'm going to throw David Pachman out here as a great example of this.

01:02:12.000 So several years ago, this was Trump's first term.

01:02:16.000 I made a video for my 4 p.m. segment saying Donald Trump sees record high approval rating.

01:02:22.000 And David Pacman on the same day made a video saying Donald Trump sees record low approval rating or record high disapproval.

01:02:29.000 And I thought to myself, this is crazy.

01:02:32.000 How could both of these videos exist at the same time?

01:02:34.000 Am I wrong?

01:02:35.000 Well, I look back at my video and I checked all my sources and I was like, you've got 538, you've got RCP, you've got all of the aggregates showing that Trump's approval rating is at a record high, especially compared to other presidents.

01:02:49.000 How did David Pacman make a video that's the inverse?

01:02:52.000 He cherry-picked a single poll and made a video about it saying the exact opposite.

01:02:56.000 And it wasn't coordinated.

01:02:57.000 He just made a video.

01:02:58.000 And I said, is David, I thought to myself, because I've known him for a long time, I'm like, is he doing this on purpose?

01:03:05.000 Like, any honest person that's assessing Donald Trump's approval is going to check the aggregate, not a single poll, because a single poll can have errors.

01:03:14.000 It can be static.

01:03:15.000 And, well, this is his MO.

01:03:17.000 Him and Brian Tyler Cohen.

01:03:19.000 This is what they do all day, every day.

01:03:21.000 Lord help me. 1.00

01:03:22.000 I wish the right was that fucking stupid. 1.00

01:03:25.000 I'd have a million views. 1.00

01:03:26.000 See, this is, and this is, so the left will look at the right, and they'll look at Tulsi Gabbard defending Iran, and then they'll pull up her shirts, right, and be like, interesting, right?

01:03:35.000 You'll look at, you've got RFK Jr., who's still doing making, so this is why the smarts line is also dissatisfactory to me, because nobody's going to agree on it, right?

01:03:46.000 Everyone's going to feel unfairly like punished by this system, which is why I go, probably universal suffrage is over 18 incidents is the best measure we have.

01:03:55.000 We on this show, with a disaffected to right-leaning audience, specifically addressed Tulsi Gabbard's tweet, how she did not make an assessment and just defer to Trump, and that she sold shirts saying no war with Iran, and that I support her in 2020, specifically for anti-interventionist regime change policies, because the people on the right expect the context and the nuance, and it's very difficult to keep them in the same room together.

01:04:19.000 When I pull up, the only person I ever give credit to on this, despite not really liking the guy, is Hassan Piker, that he actually discusses a variety of topics and his thoughts and opinions on them, even when I think he's wrong or contradictory.

01:04:31.000 And then I pull up the most prominent of liberal pundits, and I'm like, they just make fake videos.

01:04:36.000 Like David Pacman made a video saying Donald Trump poops his pants, which is just like, yeah, that literally didn't happen.

01:04:41.000 And like, if I could get away with that on the right, man, I'd be making 10 times as much as possible.

01:04:46.000 His biggest content creator is Candace Owens.

01:04:49.000 She is a liberal.

01:04:50.000 She watched by Candace Owens. 0.51

01:04:52.000 She is on the right.

01:04:53.000 There's no question.

01:04:53.000 She is completely on the right.

01:04:56.000 I don't know what to tell you.

01:04:57.000 She's for traditional values.

01:04:58.000 She wants conservative fiscal policy. 1.00

01:05:01.000 She was pro-Trump, right?

01:05:02.000 Like, she is on the right.

01:05:05.000 She is on the right.

01:05:05.000 She's not part of the left.

01:05:07.000 We have one receipt where she strings together a whole narrative here.

01:05:07.000 And what do you have?

01:05:11.000 You can fairly say she's neither.

01:05:14.000 We couldn't say that.

01:05:15.000 She's either right or far right.

01:05:16.000 So she's anti-Trump over Epstein.

01:05:16.000 But she's not going to be able to do that.

01:05:18.000 She's anti-Trump over the Iran war.

01:05:20.000 Yeah, she's jumped off the Trump ship now. 0.98

01:05:22.000 A long time ago.

01:05:23.000 Is Nick Fuentes left?

01:05:24.000 Two years ago.

01:05:25.000 Nick Fuentes has been advocating for voting Democrat for like four years.

01:05:30.000 Actually, he advocated for voting for Trump.

01:05:32.000 It only with the Iran stuff he swapped to Democrats.

01:05:34.000 Would you actually try to say that Nick Fuentes is liberal?

01:05:37.000 Nick Fuentes said not to vote not to vote for Trump.

01:05:39.000 And he also said, don't vote for JD Vance.

01:05:42.000 And now he's explicitly saying vote Democrat.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, because he wants to suburb.

01:05:44.000 He's a Democrat or a liberal.

01:05:45.000 Well, he's definitely on the right.

01:05:47.000 He's far right because he's a theocrat.

01:05:49.000 Well, I will just, the first thing we should clarify is what does far right mean?

01:05:52.000 So that we understand what we're saying.

01:05:53.000 When I say far right, I basically mean they are probably going to share a lot of cultural values of a lot of conservatives.

01:05:59.000 They're probably going to be pretty critical of trans stuff, might be critical of gay stuff, although obviously conservatives vary a lot more on the gay stuff, right?

01:06:06.000 So they're going to be right on this culture war stuff, by and large, like more traditional values, right?

01:06:10.000 Nuclear families. 0.90

01:06:11.000 And then when you're getting to the far right, they're going to be accelerationist and usually like anti-democratic.

01:06:15.000 Maybe want to take away profits.

01:06:16.000 So it's fair to say then, if that's your view of the right, the right is completely fractured.

01:06:19.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 I think the right is schismatic.

01:06:21.000 And the left is largely not.

01:06:23.000 The left is very fractured.

01:06:24.000 Because we have like the communist socialists that want to take away property rights.

01:06:29.000 And there's this huge question of right now on the left of being.

01:06:33.000 So among the prominent left YouTubers, Twitch streamers or otherwise.

01:06:38.000 So we know Nick Fuentes.

01:06:39.000 He gets 50K concurrent viewers.

01:06:41.000 He's a great show.

01:06:42.000 I'm talking about right win.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 Sorry.

01:06:44.000 So Nick Fuentes, he is an element of the right, as you describe.

01:06:47.000 And I'm not saying I disagree.

01:06:48.000 We've got Hassan, who won't vote for Democrats, tells people not to vote for Democrats and says that like our own Nick Fuentez on the left.

01:06:56.000 In a certain way.

01:06:57.000 In a certain way, yeah.

01:06:58.000 So when I look at the most prominent left channels, they usually agree.

01:07:04.000 I'm going to look at the right channels.

01:07:05.000 They're all fighting each other.

01:07:06.000 The liberals agree.

01:07:07.000 The liberals agree.

01:07:08.000 But we have the issue is like our schism happened a lot earlier, right?

01:07:12.000 And it's somewhat that what disaffected you guys, right?

01:07:16.000 Is that a lot of liberals couldn't figure out what a woman was. 1.00

01:07:20.000 Well, no, we shook hands with the progressives and we said, we're just like you.

01:07:24.000 And the progressives are like, yeah, except some of the progressives just, it's an aesthetic.

01:07:28.000 But a lot of them were communists who were like, yeah, we want to take away private property rights.

01:07:32.000 And at no point did the liberals go, hold on, we're actually not like you because that's a rights that we're not willing to get rid of, actually.

01:07:40.000 And we don't even want to do it democratically, right?

01:07:42.000 But we pretended that we were the same, which led to this culture war like takeover where we were like canceling and ourobosing ourselves and it was awful.

01:07:50.000 I don't think that it's a good thing.

01:07:51.000 And I think we're seeing the same unfortunate dance happening on the right right now.

01:07:57.000 I think, are you saying that like Republicans shook hands with people who are for things that people don't agree with?

01:08:04.000 Yeah, like Theocrats.

01:08:05.000 I mean, I mean, Theocrats are not good.

01:08:07.000 Tucker Carlson claims he's facing a criminal referral.

01:08:09.000 The White House has denied it.

01:08:10.000 Trump says Tucker's lost his way.

01:08:11.000 I mean, they're outright saying no to these people.

01:08:14.000 Yeah, which is great.

01:08:16.000 And yet we have Joe Kent that's defecting to their side, right?

01:08:19.000 And so there's this huge question of who went.

01:08:21.000 So I'm not saying that the right has to look identical to the left and how the schism falls out, right?

01:08:25.000 In a lot of ways, what we had with the left sweep is a lot of progressive candidates in a blue state aren't being successful, right?

01:08:31.000 And so it seems like there is a resurgence amongst the left for a more moderate, more traditionally liberal.

01:08:36.000 But the reality is like we were a lot more, especially performatively sold out to the further left.

01:08:41.000 I think the, you know, we were asked the other day if, you know, one of our, one of our callers, if the Democrats can start winning back the disaffected liberals because of the route some of these people on the right are taking with like the Israel post stuff.

01:08:55.000 And, you know, my first point is largely that I'm Israel ambivalent.

01:08:59.000 What irks me is when every problem in the world is specifically about Israel and they ignore the history of the region, the liberal economic order, the petrodollar, et cetera.

01:09:07.000 But if it came down to policy and they said you can vote for funding Israel or not funding Israel, I'd say we should not be funding Israel.

01:09:12.000 Our money should be going to our people here in this country, helping the working class. 0.99

01:09:17.000 I'm for some form of universal basic health care.

01:09:20.000 We should be spending money in that direction. 0.89

01:09:21.000 If you come to me and then say your choices are the war machine or politicians who five years ago advocated for cutting off children's testicles and breasts, I'd say, I will never vote for that person no matter what happens. 0.90

01:09:33.000 It's never going to happen. 0.94

01:09:35.000 And that's just me hyperlinking.

01:09:36.000 But then I would look at you as the voter and be like, oh my goodness, that's your single topic.

01:09:41.000 No, that's what I said.

01:09:41.000 That's just one hyper example.

01:09:43.000 Like when you take a look at all of the stuff that we had seen throughout the censorship era and the COVID era, I'm going to be like, we've got a litany of issues.

01:09:53.000 We can start with the charges against Donald Trump, which were ridiculous, the arrest of his lawyers, which is shockingly terrifying.

01:10:01.000 I'll never support any of these people.

01:10:02.000 By all means, you can claim Trump did something wrong, but they arrested his lawyers in Georgia and Wisconsin.

01:10:07.000 I mean, that's nightmarishly terrifying.

01:10:09.000 Lawyers did something illegal.

01:10:11.000 No, they didn't.

01:10:12.000 You can't charge a lawyer with RICO for drafting a letter on behalf of their client.

01:10:15.000 And that's what they did in Georgia.

01:10:17.000 And in fact, if Jenna Ellis did not plead guilty, the charges would have been dropped because they eventually dropped all charges because they're unfounded.

01:10:26.000 That's nightmarishly insane.

01:10:28.000 So you've got Democrats in office now who supported that.

01:10:31.000 And if they came out and said, we are not for transing the kids, we are not for appropriating property, we want to help the working class, we want to secure our borders, we're not for illegal immigrants, I'll be like, bro, four years ago, you were for all of those things. 0.74

01:10:45.000 So get rid of all of those people and bring in a new Democrat who's got a little bit of charisma behind him.

01:10:50.000 We're talking about Jenna Ellis who tried to overturn the presidential elections, right? 0.99

01:10:53.000 Tell me what she actually was charged with and why.

01:10:55.000 I'm not sure what she was charged with.

01:10:56.000 Right, she drafted a letter for Trump to the election officials in Georgia requesting information to challenge the election.

01:11:05.000 They argued that was in furtherance of a conspiracy.

01:11:08.000 So she had two counts of RICO.

01:11:09.000 She was literally hired as a lawyer to draft a legal letter. 1.00

01:11:13.000 Now, by all means.

01:11:14.000 Well, was it illegal?

01:11:15.000 Because, like, for example, in the case of, I don't want to get into all because I don't know all of the details of 2020, unfortunately, right?

01:11:21.000 But there are absolutely illegal things that happened from multiple lawyers, right?

01:11:26.000 And they were intentionally some lawyers.

01:11:29.000 So my understanding is some lawyers were under the presumption that genuinely they needed to call into question the elector slates.

01:11:35.000 Is that allowed to?

01:11:37.000 That might be allowed, right?

01:11:39.000 And others were under the presumption that they knew that they were submitting.

01:11:42.000 Here's what you're not allowed to do.

01:11:43.000 This is why I'm never voting Democrats.

01:11:44.000 Here's what you're not allowed to do.

01:11:45.000 You can't submit false elector slates.

01:11:47.000 You can't do that.

01:11:48.000 Jenna Ellis submitted a letter requesting information to challenge an election.

01:11:51.000 She wrote, I think, like one letter, and they gave her two counts of RICO.

01:11:55.000 They dropped all of the charges in Georgia.

01:11:57.000 All of the people who refused to plead out had their charges dropped.

01:12:01.000 This was insane.

01:12:02.000 You take a look at the charges against Trump in New York over fraud.

01:12:05.000 They said that he falsified the records to secure more beneficial terms from Deutsche Bank.

01:12:11.000 What were the terms?

01:12:12.000 Apparently, in one of the filings, they argued that Trump's penthouse, which was 10,000 square feet roughly, was actually 30,000 square feet.

01:12:19.000 However, it was testified in court that the Trump administration, first and foremost, Trump didn't draft the documents.

01:12:24.000 He's the CEO.

01:12:24.000 Why would he?

01:12:25.000 And the documents always came with a disclaimer that they may have gotten things wrong and required the banks to do their own due diligence to verify, to which Deutsche Bank did, came back and said your information is incorrect and reduced the terms of the deal to which the Trump organization accepted.

01:12:41.000 They called that fraud, even when Deutsche Bank testified, we were not defrauded.

01:12:46.000 We clarified this.

01:12:47.000 We made money and we would love to do business with Trump in the future.

01:12:50.000 Yet you go to Democrats and they say Trump was convicted and found guilty, he was liable for civil fraud.

01:12:55.000 And I'm sitting here being like, man, I followed that case.

01:12:57.000 It's insane.

01:12:58.000 You take a look at the falsification of business records, which for the first time in New York state history, there was a claim of falsification of business records without an underlying crime found unanimously by a jury.

01:13:10.000 So Ellis drafted not just a memo, but a memo very explicitly and specifically outlining how she planned to overturn election results, right?

01:13:18.000 Not just question the results, but to overturn them directly with knowledge of falsified elections.

01:13:25.000 No, that's an argument that was never proven in court, and the charges are all dropped for everyone else.

01:13:29.000 Now, she pleaded guilty to that because she was terrified that the machine had come to put the boot on her neck.

01:13:34.000 So tell me why the charges were dropped for everybody else.

01:13:36.000 And I'm sure the Democrats did just say because Trump put pressure and won the election.

01:13:40.000 Look, all I'll say is this.

01:13:41.000 Donald Trump was accused of falsifying business records.

01:13:45.000 He got to get out of the 30 New York.

01:13:49.000 34?

01:13:51.000 This was a misdemeanor charge that was upgraded.

01:13:54.000 And the case is Trump's lawyer, Cohen, decided to pay Stormy Daniels, but Trump never told him what to do, but he knew what Trump wanted.

01:14:03.000 And there was no unanimously agreed upon by the jury underlying crime that was being covered up for the first time in New York State history.

01:14:09.000 So they decided to upgrade a misdemeanor to a felony 30-some-odd.

01:14:13.000 I thought it was 31, but 30-some-odd times.

01:14:16.000 And then claim that Trump is a felon.

01:14:17.000 And that case, for some reason, is still pending.

01:14:22.000 It's been like a year and a half.

01:14:24.000 And that case is still pending.

01:14:25.000 But I'll just put it like this.

01:14:26.000 Make any argument you want.

01:14:28.000 If we are dealing with Georgia, where Ellis was relevant, a lot of the people who did not get charged were not charged because they were given immunity deals to give details on the city.

01:14:41.000 Just had their charges dropped.

01:14:42.000 Some of them, but a lot of them didn't actually have it dropped.

01:14:45.000 A lot of them actually went to jail.

01:14:46.000 The ones who were a little bit.

01:14:48.000 I can ask specific names.

01:14:50.000 I'm looking at the information right now.

01:14:51.000 Who went to jail or was fined?

01:14:55.000 But we're going to get AI on the show one day that you can just ask and it'll tell you.

01:14:59.000 It's going to be awesome.

01:15:00.000 It'll be like while I'm letting it search.

01:15:03.000 I'm just going to run to the law.

01:15:04.000 I'll just say it like this.

01:15:06.000 For this reason, I will never vote for a Democrat.

01:15:08.000 What's never going to happen?

01:15:09.000 Fix the parties.

01:15:10.000 Like less communism, less theocracy, more balanced, nuanced. 0.95

01:15:14.000 Because what's happening is the machine state is wrapping its tentacles around our genitals as we speak. 1.00

01:15:19.000 We need to resist it and untwist this shit. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Like big time. 1.00

01:15:23.000 We talk about like, don't dig in.

01:15:26.000 Give into the machine state.

01:15:27.000 I don't think I can.

01:15:31.000 I'll let them do what they need to do to me.

01:15:34.000 But we talk about like stakeholder capitalism, stakeholder.

01:15:39.000 You know, we were like, what's your stake in the system when you vote?

01:15:41.000 It used to be land ownership.

01:15:42.000 That's how people had stake in the system.

01:15:44.000 The corporations want to go from like shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism because they're trying to create corporate governance.

01:15:51.000 Kyle, I want to tell Kyle this when she's here.

01:15:53.000 She might already know this stuff.

01:15:55.000 Now that she's gone, she's wrong.

01:15:56.000 I'm right about everything, and she can't rebut you.

01:15:58.000 Like, what makes you a stakeholder in the corporation?

01:16:00.000 And that's kind of miasmic.

01:16:03.000 You know, it's up to the corporation to decide if you actually have a stake in this or not.

01:16:06.000 And then do you have a right to protest our system or not?

01:16:11.000 Boy, without being meant for the money.

01:16:13.000 You know, I wonder about everything.

01:16:14.000 It's hard to track all these patterns, see what's really going on.

01:16:17.000 There's a million and one different conspiracies as to what the political machine is actually doing.

01:16:23.000 The one that there's several, one of which is that Trump's been in it the whole time and the machine state just keeps shifting the narratives that nobody can get a footing.

01:16:30.000 And that we had woke versus anti-woke intentionally crafted by the machine so that the left and right would fight.

01:16:36.000 And then now we're getting the like the right is being broken apart through the, you know, like the Tuckers and like the Joe Kent versus the neoconservative.

01:16:46.000 And then we're going to see an evolution on the Democrat side where they start to try and come back to the moderate point.

01:16:51.000 And in this new decade of 2030, I would not be surprised if we're sitting here being like, I can't believe the Republicans are saying these things.

01:16:58.000 They've gone nuts.

01:16:59.000 And the Democrats are the only ones speaking clearly now. 0.94

01:17:01.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

01:17:02.000 I predicted that before because it happened during Occupy Wall Street and I am predicting it again.

01:17:07.000 During Occupy Wall Street, I was, the left loved me.

01:17:12.000 They were like, Tim Poole's the greatest.

01:17:13.000 He's for free speech.

01:17:15.000 Occupy Wall Street gave me private security.

01:17:18.000 I'm telling you this, they were volunteer security guards at Occupy Wall Street.

01:17:22.000 And when the far leftist black block types, we call them, we didn't call them antifa, physically attacked me, the organizer said, Tim, we're going to have these guys watch your back while you're streaming because the coverage you do is so important.

01:17:35.000 Even when I had filmed far leftist vandalizing police vehicles, the organizers of Occupy said you were right to do it.

01:17:42.000 This is not what we're all about.

01:17:43.000 Thank you for filming.

01:17:45.000 Now these very same people are like, Tim Pool's far right.

01:17:49.000 You know, he's crazy or whatever.

01:17:50.000 Now we're going to see a shift on the right.

01:17:53.000 And what I was saying before you got back is that the Democratic Party is going to shift in the next several years and start to look sane.

01:17:59.000 And the Republican Party is going to increasingly become insane.

01:18:03.000 And moderates are going to shift the other direction again.

01:18:05.000 And my thought was, I wonder if the machine does this intentionally.

01:18:09.000 Many have speculated.

01:18:10.000 Constantly shifting what left and right is to keep everybody spending so they can never actually form a real populist uprising.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 What I said while you were out is about a shared stakeholder.

01:18:21.000 Like you were saying, what kind of stake in the system to vote to control the system?

01:18:24.000 And it used to be land ownership in the United States.

01:18:26.000 Now it's just, you know, you sign the paper, give a social security number.

01:18:29.000 But the corporations want to do stakeholder capitalism where they're going away from shareholder capitalism, who owns the corporation to decide the future of the corporation.

01:18:36.000 But do you have a stake in the benefit of the system that the corporation is a part of?

01:18:41.000 So they're really like, and then they get to decide what that means at any given moment if you have a right to participate.

01:18:49.000 That's like, I don't have a point to tie it to, but when you guys were talking about voting, I think that is very much the future of what the corporations are trying to do right now.

01:19:00.000 I don't think it's a left and a right thing.

01:19:02.000 Probably never has been.

01:19:03.000 There are obviously sects of people that spin up, but this global technocratic oligarchy really wants to control our speech and shut us down. 0.99

01:19:14.000 Ah, damn. 0.99

01:19:15.000 That's all I got right now. 0.99

01:19:16.000 Kenneth Chasebrow pled guilty, five years probation.

01:19:16.000 All right.

01:19:19.000 So basically, nobody went to jail for this, which to be fair.

01:19:22.000 And if they went, it would have bankrupt.

01:19:23.000 I would have been happy for people to do more time.

01:19:25.000 One of the issues is probably a lot of these charges that ended up sticking aren't like necessarily jailable fines.

01:19:29.000 A lot of people got community service.

01:19:31.000 A lot of people lost their licenses.

01:19:33.000 A lot of people were fired, right?

01:19:34.000 There was a lot of misdemeanors.

01:19:36.000 There was also a lot of immunity deals that happened, right?

01:19:39.000 Ellis entered in cooperation agreements and had all the charges dropped.

01:19:43.000 Yep.

01:19:43.000 But like entering into cooperation doesn't mean she didn't do anything wrong.

01:19:48.000 So when people plead guilty, that proves they did something wrong?

01:19:50.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:19:51.000 Have any of these cases been proven or are they just plead outs?

01:19:55.000 You don't take a, hold on.

01:19:56.000 You don't take a plead out if you don't think that the court has a sufficient case against you.

01:19:59.000 You take a plead out because it's a better deal than what you're otherwise facing.

01:20:03.000 That's why you typically.

01:20:04.000 I know you don't actually believe that.

01:20:05.000 Come on, come on. 0.99

01:20:06.000 We can't really do this, can we?

01:20:07.000 You know about the trial tax, right?

01:20:07.000 Absolutely.

01:20:09.000 Sorry?

01:20:09.000 You know about the trial tax, right?

01:20:12.000 Unfortunately, I wish I had a tax.

01:20:13.000 The 2020 majority of people plead guilty regardless of whether they're innocent or guilty because of what's called the trial tax.

01:20:21.000 The trial tax is a known.

01:20:22.000 It's a trial tax.

01:20:23.000 Yes, it's a known facet in U.S. law that the judges will intentionally give you harsher penalties if you try and fight.

01:20:31.000 So if they come to you and say you're getting 40 years, but you can take a year of probation, everybody just says, give me the year of probation.

01:20:37.000 Yes.

01:20:38.000 This is the majority of court cases in the United States.

01:20:42.000 So one of the problems our justice system has is the overwhelming amount of innocent people being punished by the system.

01:20:49.000 Sure.

01:20:50.000 Tremendously.

01:20:51.000 We didn't look at Ellis' work and go, that's an innocent woman, though.

01:20:54.000 I mean, you're talking about at bare minimum, like a process crime.

01:20:58.000 No, somebody who knowingly was submitting false.

01:21:00.000 No, hold on, hold on, directing, not just doing it, directing other people explicitly and knowingly to submit false electors.

01:21:09.000 So you know she knowingly did?

01:21:10.000 In the case of Alice.

01:21:10.000 Yes.

01:21:11.000 Do you know that she knowingly did?

01:21:12.000 It was proven in court.

01:21:14.000 In court, she writes this out in her memos.

01:21:16.000 So you're saying because she- Chester Rowe was like a little bit more like, who knows why I'm doing this?

01:21:21.000 We think legitimately these electors might need to be submitted.

01:21:26.000 She did know.

01:21:27.000 Yes.

01:21:28.000 You're saying that it was proven in court.

01:21:29.000 She definitively knew that what she was doing.

01:21:31.000 And defined proven in court.

01:21:33.000 I would say that.

01:21:34.000 Yeah, I mean, saying guilty to me isn't proof of anything because we know tons of innocent people plead guilty to.

01:21:39.000 I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt in the case of Alice.

01:21:41.000 You might not be.

01:21:42.000 Yeah, absolutely not.

01:21:43.000 Her emails specifically are sufficient evidence of saying she knows what's going on.

01:21:48.000 She knows that there was a precedent set in the Nixon v. Kennedy election where they submitted alternate electors despite the fact that Nixon could have won Hawaii.

01:22:00.000 The argument was that it didn't matter anyway, so they weren't going to count these electors.

01:22:04.000 They submitted electors for Kennedy, which were not certified by the government.

01:22:08.000 And that was the precedent by which Trump's legal team said, we can submit the alternate slate.

01:22:14.000 Then once the court cases are, once they are officially adjudicated, they will update, just like with Kennedy v. Nixon.

01:22:20.000 So the argument that I have is, regardless of what you think about Jenna Ellis, let's go to the procedure of 2020.

01:22:26.000 The only process by which you could challenge an election that you did believe was stolen is to file the paperwork of an alternate slate of electors and then wait for the court case to be resolved by a judge.

01:22:37.000 Otherwise, according to our electoral system, the deadline is like December 17th.

01:22:42.000 There would be no paperwork filed at all.

01:22:44.000 And even if you won in court, you'd be past the deadline.

01:22:46.000 Like, you could just do it.

01:22:46.000 Why not?

01:22:47.000 This is the precedent set in, I think it was 1959.

01:22:50.000 Sure, but we've done recounts multiple times, right?

01:22:52.000 There was like the famous Al Gore case in like Florida where the vote was decided by like 500 votes and yet all precedent to just like ask that we like redo the slates and then verify and audit all of the votes, right?

01:23:02.000 And like there is a process by which if you legitimately think something has been falsified or tampered with, like there is a process for that.

01:23:09.000 And I'm for that process, right?

01:23:10.000 I have no problem with auditing votes necessarily, right?

01:23:14.000 And the issue is in the case of Ellis and Chessebrough, they explicitly were not doing these things.

01:23:18.000 What did they do?

01:23:19.000 What should they have done?

01:23:21.000 Gone through the proper processes, which is.

01:23:23.000 Which is what?

01:23:24.000 I don't know it off the top of my head, but this is exactly what I'm saying. 0.99

01:23:26.000 I would imagine why Pence was opposed to this and basically said, I'm not touching any of this shit. 0.98

01:23:30.000 I would imagine it's the Republican elector slates fill out the paperwork as if they did win. 0.97

01:23:34.000 They are submitted as this is pending adjudication.

01:23:37.000 That's, I'd imagine, what you'd do, right?

01:23:39.000 How do you challenge election results?

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:42.000 Presidential election, which is specifically Electoral College.

01:23:45.000 Right.

01:23:46.000 My view would be, just like in, I think it was 1960 with Kennedy v. Nixon, when Hawaii challenged the election results, even though it was Nixon who won, they sent an alternate slate of electors after the fact without certification.

01:24:00.000 And even though it wasn't even adjudicated, they said, look, it doesn't matter anyway, so we're going to let it slide.

01:24:07.000 So if you did have a disputed election and the difficult with our legal system is how long it takes, I'd imagine the process would be file the paperwork as though you won while it's pending adjudication.

01:24:18.000 And then if a judge approves, it's yes.

01:24:21.000 If not, it's no.

01:24:22.000 So you ask for a recount, you file an election contest in state court in whichever state you're concerned about, litigate before certification and during canvassing.

01:24:22.000 No.

01:24:30.000 So you get a court recount.

01:24:32.000 And after the state results, the result, after the state resolves the result, the state sends its lawful electors to the Electoral College.

01:24:37.000 Which is not ever what's happened.

01:24:39.000 And again, the precedent from Nixon v. Kennedy is that because adjudication was taking too long, they submitted an alternate slate of electors before there was official adjudication, and that was deemed acceptable.

01:24:49.000 And that was the precedent by which the Trump legal team said, we'll do the same thing.

01:24:54.000 And then my understanding is one of the main lawyers involved, I believe it was Chesaprow.

01:25:02.000 I could be wrong about which one did this.

01:25:04.000 He genuinely believed that there was faulty votes, there was faulty issues, and he looked it up and he was trying to legitimately have the election audit.

01:25:13.000 There was like a genuine belief that it was stolen.

01:25:15.000 And one of the lawyers in the emails explicitly knows that this is false and is trying to follow through with Trump's.

01:25:23.000 Sorry?

01:25:24.000 There was a report a few months ago that they found something like 300,000 ballots that were illegitimate in Georgia or something like this.

01:25:32.000 I've looked into that.

01:25:33.000 I remember being very questionable about that.

01:25:35.000 To be completely honest, I'm not super concerned with what happened in 2020.

01:25:40.000 You said it's big enough that you won't vote for Democrats.

01:25:42.000 I won't vote for Democrats for a variety of reasons.

01:25:44.000 One, that they have consistently defended child sex changes.

01:25:49.000 And like even Gavin Newsome is wishy-washy on this and struggles with it.

01:25:52.000 And it's like, if you can't just say no to that, like if Bill, like I like Bill Maher, right?

01:25:57.000 He's got Trump derangement syndrome, but that's okay.

01:25:58.000 You're always allowed to criticize the president, not like the guy.

01:26:01.000 And Bill Maher made a really great point.

01:26:02.000 I love it. 0.95

01:26:03.000 He said the Democrats lost a crazy contest to a crazy person.

01:26:06.000 And that really hits the nail on the head of the hammer for me. 0.94

01:26:10.000 Trump, for all of his faults that he can be criticized for, is the less crazy of the people running, which is just Trump.

01:26:17.000 Yes.

01:26:20.000 I'm going to say it again. 0.94

01:26:21.000 Bill Maher, lifelong liberal guy, he, in my view, represents what Democrats need to be, saying the Democrats lost a crazy contest to a crazy person. 0.55

01:26:32.000 He does not like Trump. 0.99

01:26:33.000 He views Trump as crazy. 0.99

01:26:34.000 And I will say it again. 0.99

01:26:35.000 For all of Trump's false, he is the less, he is the least crazy of the people who ran for president.

01:26:40.000 To be fair, I'd vote for Dave Smith over either of them, but he didn't run.

01:26:43.000 I'm not going to vote for Chase and the Gay Good Day Party. 1.00

01:26:46.000 The Democrats lost the crazy contest to the crazy person. 0.82

01:26:49.000 That was the point, which is the point he was making. 0.98

01:26:52.000 They couldn't be crazy enough.

01:26:54.000 No.

01:26:55.000 Sorry, Caleb.

01:26:56.000 What are you saying?

01:26:58.000 I don't know if that makes sense in the way you're interpreting it because that would not be a point of contention.

01:27:05.000 It would be, I'm glad they lost.

01:27:07.000 Yeah.

01:27:07.000 Like Trump beat them and he should have.

01:27:09.000 The point he was making.

01:27:10.000 I'm going to insert myself into this podcast.

01:27:12.000 It was the podcast I did with Jerry O'Connell where he was saying that the Democrats have continually embraced people who are out of touch and don't know how to speak to regular Americans.

01:27:20.000 So they embrace insane issues.

01:27:23.000 And I mean, as you know, like Bill Maher has been very anti-Islam.

01:27:28.000 And so he's sitting here looking at everything the Democratic Party has been doing. 0.87

01:27:30.000 And he's like, these people have gone crazy.

01:27:33.000 But I don't want to harp this.

01:27:34.000 We should segue because we can keep the conversation going with this story.

01:27:37.000 We've got this from Fox News.

01:27:38.000 GOP governors, AG's back, the Trump Save Act push, warn the system gives undue influence to states with illegal aliens.

01:27:46.000 The coalition argues current registration systems give states with large illegal populations undue influence over the federal elections.

01:27:52.000 I am here to tell you all that everything everyone is telling you is fake and a lie.

01:27:57.000 The Save Act requires proof of citizenship at the point of registration and would require an ID when you vote.

01:28:05.000 However, the Republican argument is incorrect.

01:28:08.000 And they're doing this because they're oversimplifying to make people want to support it.

01:28:12.000 Republicans are arguing that there's voter fraud and Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote, which, no, that's not really the issue either.

01:28:19.000 Democrats are saying this will disenfranchise 20 million plus voters.

01:28:23.000 There will be women who will struggle to register to vote, which is also not true because you don't get booted off registration from the Save Act.

01:28:29.000 The real issue is that by allowing anybody to register to vote without documentation, you can do rock the vote, voter registration drives, voter in the park.

01:28:38.000 And this means you can go to people who normally don't care and wouldn't take the time and register them to vote.

01:28:44.000 You combine that with universal mail-in voting and or ballot harvesting, and you have a massive voter base of people who will passively vote.

01:28:51.000 The Republicans can't do this because they're predominantly rural.

01:28:54.000 So if an individual goes to an urban center, like in New York City, you can go to one apartment building with 1,000 people in it.

01:29:01.000 And in one day, two activists can get hundreds of ballots from people who normally don't care.

01:29:06.000 Republicans can't drive door-to-door in rural areas because some of these houses are, you know, what, half a mile from the next one.

01:29:13.000 So overwhelmingly, that benefits Democrats who are trying to convince as many people as possible to vote.

01:29:17.000 But by that logic, doesn't that just assume then that the people in the apartments are already Democrat?

01:29:21.000 They're just facilitating these people to vote?

01:29:23.000 I would refer to them as we call that default liberal, meaning they don't really pay attention to politics, but they lean a little bit left.

01:29:30.000 And You knock on their door and say you're registered and they'll say no, sign this and you are, and they'll go, sure.

01:29:35.000 And so it's very easy for Democrats to get the numbers, which is very difficult for Republicans.

01:29:39.000 But I will just, my final point on this, Republicans don't want to publicly admit they are intentionally trying to create barriers to stop low-interest voters.

01:29:47.000 And the Democrats don't want to admit that they win elections through low-interest voters.

01:29:51.000 So both are creating their own version of why this should or should not pass.

01:29:56.000 The issue is, so say you get like a the issue is this one, this could affect the popular vote, but that this type of logic actually wouldn't necessarily change like the electoral college because the way that the electoral college splits up and all these lines and stuff is to try to balance out the it'll change Congress in the swing states in the swing districts.

01:30:13.000 And it will greatly affect swing states as well.

01:30:15.000 Maybe, but in swing states specifically, we can probably presume that in these apartment buildings, Republicans could reasonably go and collect ballots from all the same people and they'll.

01:30:22.000 But they're going to vote Democrat.

01:30:24.000 Why would we assume that in a swing state city?

01:30:27.000 Major cities are, even in West Virginia, they're all liberal.

01:30:30.000 Yeah, but I imagine if they're passive enough, a Republican can probably have a sufficiently compelling argument to move them off.

01:30:37.000 I would just say that's what I'm saying.

01:30:39.000 We just, again, revert to the previous argument of why it is that Republicans don't invest money in like D plus 20 districts and why Democrats don't do the same.

01:30:47.000 It's largely a cost-benefit analysis.

01:30:49.000 Republicans are going to say, look, if we go and ballot harvest in these areas, it's going to take 10 times the effort to get half as many ballots from Democrats.

01:30:57.000 So we're better off passing the SAVE Act and just slicing off Democrats' low-interest voter base.

01:31:03.000 And Democrats are saying you will disenfranchise voters because women will have to get their marriage certificates and like this convoluted argument.

01:31:10.000 Look, Republicans are going to claim it's about illegal immigrants voting, which is not the issue.

01:31:15.000 The issue largely is that illegal immigrants count towards congressional apportionment, but Democrats can easily ballot harvest.

01:31:21.000 They do.

01:31:21.000 I have done voter initiatives for Democrat nonprofits.

01:31:24.000 Republicans can't.

01:31:25.000 So they're trying to make it difficult for low-interest voters to vote.

01:31:28.000 I don't think that there's sufficient evidence that Republicans can't, though.

01:31:31.000 But they can't.

01:31:32.000 Of course they can.

01:31:33.000 It's very difficult.

01:31:33.000 Well, go to more working-class areas that have a lot of construction and union guys, and you're probably going to be able to.

01:31:41.000 We're talking about how in densely urban areas, it's overwhelmingly liberal.

01:31:45.000 And when you go to the suburbs, you will have to go door to door in the, like, let's use Chicago as an example.

01:31:50.000 The city of Chicago is Democrat everywhere.

01:31:53.000 And only in the past election did we actually see the edges start to turn red.

01:31:57.000 So my neighborhood on the south side near Midway Airport has been slowly shifting Republican for some time, which is very interesting.

01:32:04.000 If you go to my neighborhood in the city, it's still 60, 70% Democrat.

01:32:09.000 Well, actually, no, my neighborhood actually is red.

01:32:12.000 But the bulk of like the Midway area, which includes like two or three neighborhoods, it's actually shifts more blue as you get closer to the city.

01:32:19.000 You are going to be going door to door, house to house.

01:32:22.000 Okay, going to a building on like Michigan Avenue with like 50 apartment units, you will be able to get two or three times as many ballots harvested and voters registered than you would in the suburban areas where you're going door-to-door or driving.

01:32:33.000 That's my point.

01:32:35.000 Dense population areas tend to be liberal, and that makes it harder for Republicans to ballot harvest as effectively as Democrats.

01:32:41.000 Again, I don't even know if I'd grant that because I have a suspicion that a lot of Republican voters that often probably don't come through in voting would be like, for example, like working class construction workers or truck drivers and stuff that often probably have a lot of the same limits to voting that like low-income left.

01:32:56.000 They often do live in the city.

01:32:58.000 Are you actually arguing that cities are like Republicans?

01:33:00.000 No, no, no.

01:33:01.000 I think that cities tend to fall left, but I think that's because like Chicago's been run by Democrats.

01:33:06.000 I think that Democrats tend to fall.

01:33:08.000 I think that cities tend to fall left because I think that Democrats have good policies that are better for cities and better for running them.

01:33:13.000 Like I think that that's why I think if Republicans wanted to be better able to farm cities, they should probably have policies that city people like, right?

01:33:20.000 But they don't.

01:33:21.000 I don't think you really believe that.

01:33:24.000 City doesn't want to have policies that make cities run better than Republicans.

01:33:30.000 What are the biggest GPS?

01:33:33.000 California, number four in GDP in the world.

01:33:35.000 Yeah, I lived there for 20 years. 0.99

01:33:36.000 It's a shithole. 0.97

01:33:38.000 The food department in San Francisco. 0.99

01:33:39.000 But let me ask you a question.

01:33:40.000 Sure, it's also, what are all the red states?

01:33:42.000 They're poor.

01:33:43.000 They're have-nots.

01:33:44.000 They can't get on top of their own.

01:33:47.000 It's below the national average.

01:33:48.000 Sure.

01:33:49.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:33:50.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:33:51.000 Where are you from?

01:33:52.000 What city?

01:33:52.000 Where am I living?

01:33:53.000 I live in Texas.

01:33:54.000 What city are you from?

01:33:54.000 Blackwood?

01:33:55.000 Originally?

01:33:56.000 I'm Canadian.

01:33:56.000 Yeah.

01:33:57.000 You're from Canada.

01:33:58.000 Canadians.

01:33:58.000 Okay.

01:33:58.000 Yeah.

01:33:59.000 So let me ask you.

01:34:04.000 Democrat policy in Chicago with 100 years of supermajority. 0.95

01:34:13.000 So there is numerous territories, neighborhoods in Chicago that were overridden by black gangs. 0.84

01:34:20.000 Do you know what the Democrat policy was?

01:34:23.000 No, I have no idea.

01:34:24.000 It was to tell the people who lived that they wanted to renovate the project housing so they would be temporarily relocated, and then they bulldozed their homes and poured dirt over it and never did anything again.

01:34:35.000 That has consistently been what the Democrats of Chicago have done to deal with the problem of impoverished black neighborhoods.

01:34:41.000 How about the policies of redlining and blockbusting in Chicago? 0.61

01:34:44.000 Redlining literally comes from Chicago's red line, where the cultural practice at the time under the Democrats was to force black people to live in impoverished areas and they wouldn't sell them property outside.

01:34:55.000 The Democrats do not create policies that benefit these cities.

01:35:00.000 In my experience, growing up in a city that was run by Democrats for 100 years, you couldn't do anything because the processes by which they collected the votes made it impossible to actually change this system.

01:35:13.000 Then why money?

01:35:14.000 Like Los Angeles is a great example as well, where they have the worst homeless problem in the developed world.

01:35:20.000 Yet for the life of them, they just keep dumping money into what we call the homeless industrial complex, a series of NGOs and government programs that dump money to corrupt individuals.

01:35:29.000 What percentage of homeless people in California are even from California, do you know?

01:35:33.000 It is actually a minority, but a good chunk.

01:35:36.000 The issue with homelessness in Los Angeles is that the weather is nice and it attracts homelessness.

01:35:41.000 And they have, and they have, so it's not just that.

01:35:43.000 I'm actually from Edmonton, where I'm from.

01:35:45.000 We have one of the largest homeless populations in Canada, despite it being one of the most northern major city in almost in the world.

01:35:51.000 It's a liberal city.

01:35:52.000 That's a red city.

01:35:54.000 Oh, interesting.

01:35:54.000 But we have huge, huge, we just have an incredible nonprofit sector.

01:35:58.000 It's actually where my husband and I met is working for the same homeless shelter.

01:36:01.000 But we have such great resources that people will get bus rides to Edmonton as a homeless person to take advantage of the system that they have, right?

01:36:11.000 So what's often happening is red states aren't educating people.

01:36:14.000 They're getting them hooked on jobs, giving them construction jobs. 0.67

01:36:17.000 And then when they become, like the government is not getting people hooked on drugs, people are not educating them.

01:36:22.000 They're not building successful economies that scale up to allow people out of just construction jobs, which is why you're right, Republicans don't have very big red cities because Republicans don't build good cities, it seems to be the case.

01:36:36.000 It seems like if cities have to be ontologically left, we have to ask ourselves why.

01:36:42.000 Because it's collectivism.

01:36:44.000 Talk to any city person.

01:36:46.000 They're not just this collective.

01:36:47.000 Well, I think that's the nature of cities as you collect in an area.

01:36:49.000 Well, I think the issue is the process of lowest common denominator population bases.

01:36:56.000 So cities are multicultural, multi-demographic, whereas rural areas tend to be less so.

01:37:03.000 They tend to be more homogenous.

01:37:04.000 So it's really easy to win a red district that is overwhelmingly white and like traditional American values.

01:37:10.000 Chicago is much more difficult.

01:37:12.000 If you look at the election of Brandon Johnson, remarkably, every neighborhood voted based on race, 100%.

01:37:20.000 What I find truly remarkable is that in the black neighborhoods, you had the top three candidates.

01:37:25.000 You had, I forgot the guy's name.

01:37:26.000 There was the white dude.

01:37:28.000 There was Brandon Johnson, who's a black guy, and a Hispanic guy.

01:37:31.000 When you go to like the Pilsen areas, top candidate was the Hispanic guy, followed by the white guy.

01:37:36.000 You go to the white areas, top candidates, the white guy.

01:37:38.000 You go to the black areas. 0.86

01:37:39.000 This is where it got interesting. 0.93

01:37:40.000 The top three candidates were three black people.

01:37:43.000 And the reason Brandon Johnson is because only one neighborhood defected, and it was the Loyal University area, like near Evanston, where you have a predominantly young leftist base that voted for the more socialist black candidate.

01:37:56.000 And so you combine that with the racial demographics, and they voted for a candidate just because he was black, for the most part.

01:38:01.000 Like the progressives probably did too.

01:38:03.000 He was like a socialist, and he was black, and they didn't want white supremacy or whatever, but that's a small portion of the Chicago base.

01:38:08.000 Chicago votes based on race, right?

01:38:10.000 This is not a function of being a Republican or being a Democrat.

01:38:13.000 It was literally just the black neighborhood saying we were only going to vote for black people and the white neighborhood saying we're going to vote for the white guy and the Latino neighborhood saying we're going to vote for the Latino guy. 0.68

01:38:21.000 And it's not necessarily that it's overtly about race, although I do think that's a component of it.

01:38:25.000 I think it's who's speaking to who.

01:38:26.000 If you're a white working class suburbanite kind of guy and you meet like a firefighter family and you say like, I used to bring my kid to go play baseball.

01:38:33.000 You go, hey, me too.

01:38:34.000 I like this guy.

01:38:35.000 And then if the Latino guy goes to that same dude and says, we used to bring the Malisa and we'd sell them on a porch, the guy's going to be like, I don't know what that means.

01:38:42.000 And so they're not going to feel that rapport.

01:38:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:45.000 I know that this isn't what you're saying, but what it sounds like you're arguing, and so clarify where the nuance is here.

01:38:50.000 It sounds like you're arguing when I said, why are cities just ontologically left-leaning?

01:38:55.000 Like, I don't think that they have to be, right?

01:38:57.000 Assuming I don't think that they have to be.

01:38:59.000 And it seems like your answer is black people are in cities who vote for black people.

01:39:04.000 Well, let me know.

01:39:06.000 Because there's definitely more white people in.

01:39:07.000 It's called lowest common denominator politics.

01:39:10.000 If you have three distinct cultures that do not agree with each other, in order to win, you need to find the point at which they do come together.

01:39:19.000 And so it's actually quite simple.

01:39:21.000 I'll give you free stuff.

01:39:23.000 So we'll give you free welfare benefits.

01:39:25.000 We'll increase EBT.

01:39:26.000 And this will get you the largest share.

01:39:30.000 If you go to Chicago and you take a look at like the Midway neighborhood, which is voting for Trump, you're going to say, no free stuff.

01:39:35.000 You got to work hard.

01:39:37.000 You got to roll up your sleeves and live a good life.

01:39:39.000 They're going to be like, I'm voting for that guy.

01:39:41.000 But if you go and say that in Loyola, for instance, they're going to say, you are completely discounting the experience of marginalized people.

01:39:47.000 And I will not vote for this.

01:39:49.000 You go to the upper class area and you say, we need to create social programs.

01:39:53.000 And they're going to be like, well, this is an affront.

01:39:55.000 The lowest common denominator for maximizing voting, this is macro-level politics, is to say, I am going to give you your benefits.

01:40:06.000 If you go to a rural Republican area, you are going to find generally cultural homogeneity for the most part.

01:40:12.000 You're going to find over a large swath of land of a district, most people are culturally and ethnically homogenous to a great degree.

01:40:20.000 When you go to cities, you're going to find it's going to be multicultural.

01:40:22.000 So let's say you go to Chicago.

01:40:24.000 But they're also less educated, less innovative.

01:40:26.000 They're not typically on the bleeding front.

01:40:28.000 Well, that's not material to advocating for a vote, right?

01:40:31.000 Well, it's this question again of why is the left ontologically, why are cities?

01:40:36.000 Are you arguing that the impoverished black neighborhoods are more educated than the white heirs of the same city? 0.97

01:40:41.000 I'm saying that cities generally are an aggregate.

01:40:43.000 I'm actually saying I think that the reason why cities tend to be left dominated is because they have policy that appeals to city voters the most.

01:40:51.000 It appeals to most people.

01:40:54.000 Except apparently rural voters.

01:40:56.000 Which is like too smart to do it?

01:40:56.000 Right.

01:40:58.000 Because do you understand macro-level politics?

01:41:02.000 I understand you're saying they try to make generalized policy.

01:41:05.000 I slightly disagree because they don't say we want to give you your benefits.

01:41:08.000 They try to go, which policies are popular right now that lowest common denominators.

01:41:12.000 Which policy connects every group of people?

01:41:15.000 As much as possible, yes.

01:41:16.000 So again, in a rural area, they need only go apple pie.

01:41:19.000 And they go, woo! 0.90

01:41:21.000 And they need to go like America. 0.98

01:41:22.000 And they're like, yeah.

01:41:23.000 And then you go to a city, and if you say America, people are going to be like, America's white supremacist.

01:41:27.000 And another guy's going to be like, I've been American my whole life.

01:41:30.000 So they say, tax the rich because that's not you.

01:41:30.000 You can't.

01:41:36.000 So they say, we want to do programs.

01:41:37.000 And then people go, how are you going to pay for it?

01:41:38.000 We're going to tax the rich.

01:41:39.000 And then look what's going on in New York.

01:41:41.000 Actually, we should pull up what's going on.

01:41:43.000 Where are the richest people in the world?

01:41:44.000 Cities.

01:41:45.000 Dubai.

01:41:46.000 Cities.

01:41:47.000 Yeah, cities actually.

01:41:48.000 That we know of.

01:41:50.000 In fact, what are the poorest people in New York?

01:41:52.000 Let me, Kyla, challenge this.

01:41:53.000 We have this story from the New York Post.

01:41:56.000 Desperate Hochul begs wealthy New Yorkers to come back as Momdani pressures her to hike their taxes. 0.56

01:42:03.000 They say Kathy Hochl is begging wealthy New Yorkers who fled the city to encourage their rich pals to come back and continue patting the Empire State's lavish public handouts.

01:42:11.000 Hochul made the case against caving to mayor, made the case against caving to Mayor's Armandani's demands that she hike income taxes by saying she not only wants fat cats to stay in the city, but also by clawing at those who have moved to states with better business climates like Florida. 0.95

01:42:25.000 Hey, I'm one of those people.

01:42:28.000 I left New York for a variety of reasons, not entirely because of high taxes, but that was a component.

01:42:33.000 Moved further south largely because of riots and violence, went to New Jersey, and then New Jersey had crazy taxes.

01:42:38.000 So we got out, now we're in West Virginia, although we're currently enjoying the beautiful weather here in Austin.

01:42:43.000 I was recently asked, as I've explained quite a bit, there are big investors, media companies, looking to buy out podcasts and get in the space.

01:42:52.000 And so, of course, as many of you know, we've been having negotiations with companies for years and in various ways.

01:42:56.000 That doesn't mean we'll take any deals.

01:42:58.000 But I was recently asked by a company if we'd be willing to relocate to New York City, where there's a lot of infrastructure, high-profile guests, celebrities, great opportunity, all of the big podcasting network companies.

01:43:09.000 And I said, never going to happen.

01:43:10.000 And they said, what is prohibitive about New York?

01:43:13.000 And I said, the taxes are too high.

01:43:15.000 Even with those benefits, when we do the cost-benefit analysis, we lose money by going to New York.

01:43:20.000 It is not worth it.

01:43:21.000 Now, Florida and Texas, maybe, but New York, no.

01:43:24.000 And now New York's facing a massive deficit where Zawarmandani explicitly stated if they cannot tax the wealthy, they will have to tax the middle class.

01:43:35.000 That's somewhat true.

01:43:36.000 Are you opposed to progressive taxation?

01:43:37.000 Literally, what is it?

01:43:39.000 I'm in favor of a degree of progressive taxation.

01:43:42.000 However, you can't, you have to recognize freedom of movement.

01:43:47.000 And I think there's, are you familiar with the Laffer Curve?

01:43:52.000 I'm not actually telling you.

01:43:53.000 So this is a economic, it's an understanding in tax policy that there is a point at which you increase the tax rate and you decrease tax revenue because you'll either stagnate activity or you'll pressure people to leave.

01:44:07.000 I'm familiar with that.

01:44:07.000 So there is a happy medium where people will be satisfied paying a certain percentage of their income at a certain level if they feel like the benefit is worth it.

01:44:15.000 However, New York has been experiencing a lot of problems recently.

01:44:17.000 Notably, they've had a massive dog feces problem, which is new.

01:44:21.000 I think this is a component of low trust society.

01:44:24.000 You've also had high-profile cases of subway people being pushed on subway tracks.

01:44:28.000 Whether this is more than normal, it is certainly popping up in media and it's causing people to freak out.

01:44:34.000 So you've had, since COVID lockdowns, a mass exodus.

01:44:38.000 Now you have with increased taxes, a continued exodus where we're not just seeing the upper class, the wealthy leave.

01:44:45.000 You're actually seeing middle class people leave the city because they don't feel that they're getting their value from the city.

01:44:51.000 I would also throw it back to when AOC joined in these protests against Amazon, which is projected to bring in somewhere around like $30 billion in tax revenue.

01:45:00.000 And she came to these financial district protests, ultimately, whether intentionally or otherwise, created a hubbub that pressured Amazon not to create, not to put their warehouses in New York, in Queens, and that cost the city billions, which they were hoping to get to fix their crumbling train infrastructure.

01:45:15.000 So for a lot of people who live in New York, it feels like the taxes are just not worth it.

01:45:19.000 Whatever may be.

01:45:20.000 I just can't find, so here's the issue.

01:45:22.000 Okay, Governor Hochl is literally begging them to come back because they did leave.

01:45:25.000 The New York post is the word.

01:45:27.000 No, I'm sorry.

01:45:29.000 You're not going to argue, source.

01:45:30.000 The governor literally did this.

01:45:32.000 The governor literally said, please come back.

01:45:35.000 That's not for dispute.

01:45:37.000 What's her quote specifically?

01:45:39.000 And does she have evidence for this?

01:45:40.000 I mean, we did play the video earlier.

01:45:44.000 Let me play the video for you.

01:45:46.000 Give it to me, Kathy.

01:45:47.000 I'm looking forward to hearing her voice.

01:45:49.000 Hocho made the case, came against Zoran Mandani.

01:45:51.000 Quote, maybe the first step should be to go down to Palm Beach and see who we can bring back home because our tax base here has eroded.

01:45:56.000 I have to look at the fact that we are in competition with other states who have less of a tax burden on their corporations and their individuals.

01:46:02.000 The comments are a far cry from her much-directed remarks in her 2020 election campaign where she ripped her GOP opponent, Rep Lee Zeldin, as the then Duchess of blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:46:11.000 Trump and Zeldon and Molinaro just jump on a bus and head on to Florida where you belong, okay?

01:46:15.000 Get out of town because you don't represent our values, she said.

01:46:18.000 Blah, We have to be smart about this, but we can fund what we want to fund with what we are already taking in.

01:46:18.000 Wow.

01:46:25.000 The state has been facing its own multi-billion dollar budget gap that was largely patched after a great year on Wall Street, caused bonuses to shoot up 25% over 2025.

01:46:33.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:46:34.000 I am focused on 100% or affordability issues.

01:46:36.000 It appears, actually, there's two quotes, because I played this video earlier where she's sitting at a conference meeting saying, like, we need to get the wealthy to come back.

01:46:44.000 This is how Trump revitalized New York.

01:46:46.000 He created these luxury towers and then told wealthy people this is where the high class is.

01:46:53.000 They came back in, combined with Giuliani's broken window policing, which really just means heavy law enforcement crackdown.

01:47:00.000 And it became more appealing to wealthy individuals and corporations, which then boosted its tax base.

01:47:05.000 Like the controversy, as thus far, which is not up for dispute, Zorhan Mamdani gave a speech to the city saying, we must tax the rich to fund these programs.

01:47:16.000 If we do not, we are going to have to tax the middle class. 0.83

01:47:20.000 so i understand and i understand why he's saying that and i agree with him that we do need to tax the rich right so when i'm looking into like this laughter stuff my understanding is that like you're not going to tax me i left So most wealthy individuals do not leave from taxes, only 2%.

01:47:34.000 So millionaire tax flight is only about 2% of top owners are moving in response to higher taxes.

01:47:40.000 And you're talking about generally?

01:47:42.000 Yeah.

01:47:42.000 Okay, so general from New York specifically over the past several months.

01:47:45.000 Well, every time I've looked up New York, it said there is no mass exodus happening at all.

01:47:50.000 There has been a general trend of some rich people going to Florida because of no state income tax.

01:47:56.000 I just Googled it, so we'll just pull up whatever Google says.

01:47:59.000 How about that?

01:48:00.000 New York City is experiencing a significant ongoing exodus of high net worth individuals driven by high taxes, steep living costs, and remote work flexibility, with many relocating to low-tax states like Florida.

01:48:08.000 Despite this, this year remains a global wealth hub with over 33,000 residents worth 30 million or more as of July 2025.

01:48:13.000 That's interesting.

01:48:14.000 I wonder what is motivating the governor to be like, please come back.

01:48:18.000 I'm going to have to go down to Palm Beach and see who we can bring back.

01:48:21.000 Like clearly she's saying this because she's experiencing a problem, right?

01:48:25.000 She, well, possibly, like taking politicians at their word, it's like one of the worst things, especially when we have a quote in the exact same article of her saying literally the opposite, like two years before and saying she was saying, why don't you leave?

01:48:39.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

01:48:40.000 She wasn't governor at the time.

01:48:41.000 Right, so now all of a sudden...

01:48:42.000 She was running.

01:48:43.000 Or actually, I'm sorry.

01:48:44.000 She was lieutenant governor who assumed it from Cuomo and was in the campaign saying she wanted to run.

01:48:44.000 Sorry.

01:48:48.000 Right. 0.99

01:48:49.000 And she was saying, screw those people.

01:48:50.000 If they want to leave, they can leave and saying basically the opposite of everything.

01:48:53.000 Escape from New York 2025 Millionaire Edition.

01:48:56.000 What other articles say this?

01:48:57.000 Geo Team.

01:48:58.000 Rich New Yorkers threaten to leave.

01:49:00.000 Then they find out how hard that is.

01:49:01.000 That's a funny one.

01:49:02.000 Brokers discuss Mamdani feud wealth exodus fears, Yahoo Finance.

01:49:06.000 The Center Square, Momdani's tax plans could exacerbate, could.

01:49:10.000 So like one of the issues you have to think with why people move, right?

01:49:12.000 Some people do just move purely for wealth, but a lot of rich people have families.

01:49:16.000 They have kids.

01:49:17.000 They have plugged in.

01:49:18.000 They have all of the local restaurants.

01:49:19.000 They have all the digs, right?

01:49:20.000 Have this entire life and community connected to the city, which is why I agree there is some little bit of pressure of if you tax the rich, yeah, they might like move elsewhere, which would just make a better argument for greater federal taxes.

01:49:32.000 But that's the Canadian and me, right?

01:49:35.000 But is Hochle wrong?

01:49:37.000 Is Hokka wrong? 1.00

01:49:37.000 Is who? 1.00

01:49:38.000 Are like they not leaving?

01:49:39.000 Are all these articles wrong?

01:49:40.000 Are they not leaving?

01:49:42.000 I suspect it's to be disputed, right?

01:49:44.000 Like many of these.

01:49:45.000 All these articles are wrong.

01:49:46.000 Well, the issue is the news is wrong.

01:49:48.000 Well, the articles here are saying 2%.

01:49:49.000 That's not the same.

01:49:50.000 No, no, no, A general comment on cities, right, where people may or may not leave is not the same as literally me pulling up a series of articles where they're like the wealthy are leaving.

01:50:02.000 Exodus, exodus, that's a really sexy, we're talking about news articles versus a data-driven thing that's saying here a white-like. 0.77

01:50:07.000 Which is not material to just New York City.

01:50:09.000 Sure, it's actually looking at the taxing.

01:50:11.000 If we're talking about New York City, right?

01:50:15.000 Would you say that this policy of taxing the rich would make them leave would hold true regardless of whether it's New York or just like Palm Spring?

01:50:21.000 We're just talking about New York.

01:50:22.000 So are you denying that the data that I'm showing you, that is not from.

01:50:25.000 I'm saying it's not material to a conversation about New York.

01:50:28.000 How is generalized data about this principle not going to be applicable to a city in which we're talking about the same principle?

01:50:34.000 New York City is experiencing a wealth exodus, yes or no?

01:50:36.000 It seems like, no, it seems like calling it an exodus.

01:50:38.000 So these articles are just not correct?

01:50:40.000 Yeah.

01:50:41.000 Shocker, people are fear-mongering.

01:50:43.000 It sounds like some people are leaving.

01:50:46.000 But it looks like it's a 2% rate.

01:50:49.000 The governor fell for fake news.

01:50:50.000 I don't know what she's doing.

01:50:51.000 Maybe she fell for fake news.

01:50:52.000 She's saying we need to bring these people back.

01:50:54.000 It could be a multitude of reasons.

01:50:56.000 This is why I'll never vote Democrat.

01:50:57.000 Why?

01:50:58.000 Because I'm not.

01:50:59.000 I know what data is like.

01:51:00.000 I'm just reading the news.

01:51:02.000 Yeah, you're reading headlines and I'm reading a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that.

01:51:04.000 And the governor's own statements.

01:51:06.000 And the only conclusion I can come to when the governor says, please come back, and the news reports say they're experiencing a wealth exodus is that they are.

01:51:13.000 So if the governor says trans kids actually need to transition, we just believe the governor now? 0.99

01:51:17.000 Because the governor said it?

01:51:18.000 When the governor says we have a budget shortfall and we need wealthy people back, I go, wow, that's interesting.

01:51:23.000 That's not what she said.

01:51:24.000 She just said we got to go down to Palm Springs and bring them back.

01:51:26.000 Palm Beach.

01:51:26.000 I got a question for you.

01:51:29.000 Is it 2% of the top earners left or 2% of the wealth is gone?

01:51:33.000 No, 2% of top earners leave.

01:51:35.000 So what percent of the New York economy was commanded by that 2% of people?

01:51:39.000 Well, I'm not sure.

01:51:41.000 Probably, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant amount, probably like the top, like say we've got 100 people, right?

01:51:46.000 And 10 of them are the top earners, and two of those people leave.

01:51:49.000 I wouldn't even be surprised if the top top earners are the ones that leave necessarily, right?

01:51:54.000 But the issue is that calling that an exodus is over-inflating the issue.

01:51:59.000 It makes it sound like millionaires are packing up their rich, blonde, beautiful kids into their beautiful Land Rovers, and they're driving down to Florida en masse.

01:52:08.000 And that's not happening.

01:52:09.000 What's happening is probably a select few of the top top performers.

01:52:14.000 Between 2019 and 2020, the number of New Yorkers earning between 150 and 750 fell by 6%, while the number of true high earners dropped by 10%.

01:52:14.000 Sure.

01:52:22.000 Wait, so according to the city's independent budget office, this erosion matters because the city's tops 1%, about 41,000 filers pay more than 40% of all income taxes.

01:52:30.000 The top 10% pay about two-thirds, which means the remaining 90% of taxpayers contribute only about one-third of the city's income tax revenue.

01:52:36.000 When even a small share of these high earners disappears, the impact is seismic.

01:52:40.000 So recent migration trends confirm the damage.

01:52:42.000 More than 125,000 New Yorkers have fled to Florida in just the past few years, carrying nearly $14 billion worth of income with them, according to the Citizens Budget Commission.

01:52:50.000 About a third of these movies, movers, more than 41,000 people, went to Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward counties between 2018 and 2022.

01:52:58.000 Those escapes alone stripped New York City of an estimated $10 billion in adjusTedros income.

01:53:03.000 When money and mobility align, no amount of political rhetoric can stop people from voting with their feet.

01:53:08.000 Into this fragile situation, steps Zaranandani, and et cetera, et cetera.

01:53:11.000 So the top, did you say it was the top 2% of earners left?

01:53:14.000 Or how did you phrase that?

01:53:16.000 The top 2% of the earners in New York City?

01:53:18.000 Top earners, 2% of them leave.

01:53:21.000 Well, according to the same budget.

01:53:23.000 The earners, is that like 95 to 100?

01:53:25.000 The top earners, do you have that data?

01:53:26.000 We all have to look for it.

01:53:27.000 The data is kind of defunct until we can figure that stuff out.

01:53:30.000 Because if 2% of the people left and took 40% of New York's GDP, that's an exodus.

01:53:36.000 That's a legit, like catastrophic change.

01:53:39.000 It's an exodus to the budget, but it's not an exodus of people.

01:53:43.000 Correct.

01:53:44.000 Right.

01:53:44.000 But the issue is that when we're talking about this, what we're making it sound like is that people and mass are moving.

01:53:49.000 What we're really saying is the richest of the absolute rich won't share the pie.

01:53:53.000 And if anything gets hiked up on them, those people, those select individuals, leave.

01:53:58.000 Since April 2020, New York City has experienced a significant population decline, losing nearly 500,000 residents or 5.3% of its population in the initial years following the pandemic.

01:54:07.000 While the population outflows slowed in 2022, the city saw a net loss of 216,778 residents in the end of 2023, largely driven by domestic migration.

01:54:17.000 They did recover a little bit in the past year or so.

01:54:20.000 That's only from taxes, right?

01:54:20.000 But that's not thing.

01:54:22.000 Probably.

01:54:22.000 No, that's everything.

01:54:22.000 That's everything.

01:54:23.000 Yeah, because I don't realize housing prices.

01:54:25.000 We are seeing mass migration.

01:54:26.000 So I'll say two things.

01:54:27.000 For housing and stuff as well.

01:54:27.000 Sure.

01:54:28.000 I'm not surprised that people might be leaving New York.

01:54:31.000 Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I'm going to try.

01:54:31.000 We're going to try and grab.

01:54:34.000 I want to say a couple things, and then we've got to get some of these rebel rants and chats.

01:54:39.000 We'll go a little bit long because I've been having five minutes.

01:54:41.000 I enjoy the conversation.

01:54:43.000 So I work 16 hours a day.

01:54:45.000 Today I will have recorded five and a half hours of content.

01:54:48.000 I record more podcast, talk, radio, do you want to call it, than any other person on the planet.

01:54:54.000 Now, that's just being hyperbolic because there's probably some dude in his room who talks for eight hours.

01:54:58.000 I was going to say, except Clavik through, right? 1.00

01:54:59.000 But people say Hassan streams for eight hours, but he doesn't actually talk for eight hours.

01:55:03.000 I actually have hard, straight talk for five and a half hours, which is about eight or nine hours.

01:55:09.000 Well, it's about eight or nine hours of like research plus talking.

01:55:13.000 So I work for about 16 hours a day with business stuff in between.

01:55:17.000 I lose money by doing it because of progressive taxes, which has driven me to the point where like my wife and I have had the conversation about like we probably shouldn't anymore, but you know, like what would make this work?

01:55:27.000 So here's how it works.

01:55:30.000 The first eight hours I work, I make the bulk of my money.

01:55:33.000 After this, we decide to do Tim Cast IRL, in which I'm working for 16 hours, but I'm a salary-based individual.

01:55:40.000 And then, of course, we have our profit margins.

01:55:42.000 Because I pay more taxes after a certain amount, it means the more hours I work, the less amount of money I make.

01:55:49.000 If I stop working these hours, 30 to 40 people will lose their jobs.

01:55:53.000 However, I'm looking at a diminishing return on working these extra hours.

01:55:57.000 I would be rich if I didn't.

01:55:59.000 This is the problem with progressive taxes.

01:56:01.000 Should these producers and personalities who work in this industry lose their jobs because the progressive tax system is punishing me for working extra hours?

01:56:09.000 The assumption with the taxing the wealthy is that these are people who are just, they're working 40 hours like everybody else.

01:56:15.000 Therefore, they're earning a salary and they should pay more.

01:56:18.000 When the reality is, at least for me, I'm only making more money because I'm choosing to work 80 hours a week or more and getting punished for doing so.

01:56:26.000 That creates a perverse incentive, which would tell people not to run their businesses, not to work.

01:56:32.000 And for that reason, I largely disagree with, I would call it like higher end progressive taxes.

01:56:38.000 That doesn't create a challenge because there are some people who barely work at all and make a ton of money.

01:56:42.000 But the problem with a blanket tax system is that not everybody makes money in the exact same way, but they will all be taxed in the same way.

01:56:50.000 That creates a problem.

01:56:51.000 A problem for productivity.

01:56:52.000 And it creates a detriment to working class people who rely on CEOs who are going to work 80 hours a week.

01:56:58.000 Right.

01:56:59.000 And so when I talk about progressive taxes.

01:57:01.000 So why should I get taxed for working more?

01:57:02.000 Sure.

01:57:03.000 The main thing that I would say is we need a distribution system that allows for, right now, what we seem to have is a distribution system where there's like a K going on.

01:57:11.000 This is what a lot of economists are calling it, right?

01:57:13.000 You're either getting poorer or you're getting richer and there's a diminishing middle class.

01:57:17.000 What I want is actually a taxation system that is most incentivized for the common man.

01:57:22.000 I want the middle class to have the tax system built around them, actually. 0.99

01:57:25.000 I think that that would be the best.

01:57:26.000 I think that there should be way more tax credits for middle class earners, small business owners, these types of individuals.

01:57:33.000 And there should be a lot more scrutiny looked at corporate businesses, right?

01:57:36.000 For example, if you've got a corporate like Walmart or these like major, major companies, and their corporate profits have gone incredibly high over the last few years, but their wages have stagnated for the past five years.

01:57:50.000 We need to look at that and figure out a way to redistribute it.

01:57:53.000 Maybe we find that company and we just force.

01:57:55.000 Maybe we don't need to do all more taxations.

01:57:56.000 Maybe we need to force companies to pay workers more. 0.67

01:57:59.000 I completely agree that like Facebook making $160 billion, they should be taxed on it because we just need money to blow up brown people. 1.00

01:58:07.000 More importantly, pay their work.

01:58:08.000 No, no, no, pay their workers. 0.88

01:58:10.000 She agrees.

01:58:10.000 No, not at all.

01:58:11.000 Not at all.

01:58:12.000 See, the problem I have with aggressive taxes after the fact is that the money is going to go to the war machine for the most part.

01:58:17.000 You get corporations.

01:58:20.000 How about we reallocate the existing tax infrastructure and figure out after that if we do need to raise taxes?

01:58:26.000 Sure.

01:58:27.000 I mean, unless you're saying taxes should be punitive.

01:58:30.000 No, I want them incentive-based.

01:58:31.000 Like, for example, I want families to be able to claim things like gyms, public.

01:58:37.000 I agree.

01:58:37.000 No, no, I agree.

01:58:38.000 What do you say?

01:58:40.000 Forgive me for interrupting, but real quick question.

01:58:42.000 Gotta show you.

01:58:43.000 Do you think we should stop funding massive military budgets and stuff like that?

01:58:48.000 I think we need some military budget, but I don't know.

01:58:49.000 Sure, sure, but like it's kind of a lot, right?

01:58:52.000 Like a trillion dollars.

01:58:53.000 Probably the issue is I have no, I don't have a good idea of like what military budget was necessary in an age of like China and Russia because we need to be stronger than them.

01:59:03.000 Are you in favor or opposition to the Iran war?

01:59:05.000 I'm opposed to the Iran war and how it's handled.

01:59:08.000 Do you think that we should reallocate?

01:59:13.000 We should basically look at where the tax money is going and then assess whether or not we are wasting money.

01:59:20.000 Waste, fraud, and abuse tends to be the term.

01:59:21.000 But I don't like that as a single issue because, you know, maybe we don't need such a big military budget.

01:59:27.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:59:27.000 We want a good one.

01:59:29.000 But would you agree that we could probably reallocate the existing tax base, like tax revenue, to better things?

01:59:36.000 I'm sure there's many areas I would happily.

01:59:38.000 I think the solution is we do that first, then we go through the budget and figure out where we need to tax more if we need to fund other things.

01:59:45.000 Because I feel like we can probably find a bunch of missing money from waste, fraud, and abuse, but also programs we don't like, and then be like, hey, we could put that money towards things we do like.

01:59:54.000 Then after that, we might not need as much tax as you think.

01:59:54.000 Sure.

01:59:57.000 This is why I hated Doge so much is that it was this opportunity to properly audit government spending and ask the questions of where they went.

02:00:03.000 And they didn't reduce the deficit.

02:00:05.000 They chainsaw hacked.

02:00:06.000 They destroyed U.S. aid, which was especially if you're, well, if you're dovish, if you're dovish, which I believe you are. 0.57

02:00:13.000 Dove.

02:00:14.000 Dovish.

02:00:14.000 Dovish?

02:00:15.000 Yeah, like not war hawk.

02:00:17.000 So Trump is a hawk, right?

02:00:18.000 If you're dovish.

02:00:19.000 I'm going to call myself dovish.

02:00:21.000 It probably means you probably prefer diplomacy.

02:00:23.000 If there's any foreign intervention that you have to do, you probably prefer diplomacy first.

02:00:27.000 You probably prefer soft power and negotiation.

02:00:29.000 I'm assuming.

02:00:31.000 I would argue that I'm like, if I don't want to say left or right.

02:00:37.000 Let's say up or down.

02:00:38.000 If up is dovish and down is hawkish, I'm just slightly above the center towards dovish.

02:00:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:44.000 That's kind of what I presumed.

02:00:46.000 I don't think you're an extreme on all people up here.

02:00:49.000 Yeah, I understand World War II happened and Hitler. 0.88

02:00:51.000 And the Ayatollah was not a good guy, and I don't cry.

02:00:53.000 I don't shed a table.

02:00:54.000 Exactly.

02:00:54.000 Neither was Bashar al-Assad.

02:00:57.000 I've brainfired.

02:00:58.000 Let's run around, guys.

02:01:00.000 We're going to get some of your Rumble rants.

02:01:02.000 These debates are always fun.

02:01:03.000 Rumble rant.

02:01:04.000 We're going to have the uncensored portion of the show coming up, but we'll try and get as many of these as we can because we're, you know, I'm sorry.

02:01:09.000 I was enjoying the conversation too much.

02:01:11.000 Gonzo says, we'll come back to watch, but wanted to follow Tim Cast tradition.

02:01:15.000 My wife is currently being induced.

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02:01:17.000 Welcome to the world.

02:01:20.000 Yeah.

02:01:21.000 Congratulations.

02:01:21.000 Thank you.

02:01:23.000 Baby.

02:01:23.000 Good job.

02:01:25.000 Do you want me to read the mean ones?

02:01:27.000 Sure.

02:01:28.000 Dan Visha says, Kyla is face quirking from all the amphetamines. 0.98

02:01:31.000 I don't do amphetamines.

02:01:33.000 I don't know what you mean by face quirking.

02:01:35.000 I posted this on X earlier because people comment that I'm on meth or like Adderall.

02:01:40.000 And I'm like, I take it as a compliment because I've never done any hard drug.

02:01:43.000 The worst thing I've ever done is smoked pot once when I was 16.

02:01:46.000 I didn't enjoy it.

02:01:46.000 I don't drink, don't smoke.

02:01:48.000 I have no tattoos.

02:01:49.000 No Adderall.

02:01:49.000 I have a cup of coffee every morning around 8 a.m.

02:01:53.000 A single cup.

02:01:53.000 That's it.

02:01:54.000 And then I don't drink coffee after 10 a.m.

02:01:56.000 It's just that I get him so high when I'm sitting next to him.

02:01:59.000 He gets all stimulated.

02:02:00.000 Actually, the secret is Ian's got a cattle prod.

02:02:03.000 And when I start getting tired, he just walks in the room.

02:02:06.000 No, no, he says talk more.

02:02:08.000 So it's like, I'll record my first segment.

02:02:08.000 Go.

02:02:10.000 I'll be like, Ian, I'm just too tired.

02:02:11.000 Oh, shunk. 0.94

02:02:13.000 16 hours today, Tim.

02:02:14.000 Let's go.

02:02:16.000 Sleep says, to keep the tradition going, I'm in the hospital with the, with the, and the wife is pushing baby girl number three.

02:02:23.000 Help.

02:02:24.000 I am now massively outnumbered.

02:02:26.000 There's a lot of babies in the super chats. 0.89

02:02:26.000 Too many babies. 0.89

02:02:28.000 It's a tradition.

02:02:29.000 People for some reason, people have decided to make a meme trend where when their wife is giving birth, they go on and chat like, it's now, we're doing it.

02:02:39.000 But we love it because it's an encounter or something.

02:02:41.000 Well, congrats on the baby again.

02:02:41.000 That's very cute.

02:02:42.000 J Dev says, so according to her, to be right-wing, you are just against the alphabet people.

02:02:47.000 She's literally half an inch deep puddle on politics. 1.00

02:02:50.000 I'm sure if you debated me anytime, I'm happily slop you up, okay?

02:02:56.000 Let's see.

02:02:59.000 What is this?

02:03:00.000 J Dev says, it's funny watching Tim debate against not so erudite.

02:03:03.000 I mean, ChatGPT.

02:03:07.000 Good one.

02:03:07.000 Were you using ChatGPT during the debate?

02:03:09.000 No, for the most part, if I use it at all, it's usually to just search for resources.

02:03:13.000 I'm mostly on Google looking for articles and stuff.

02:03:15.000 I like ChatGPT during.

02:03:17.000 I mean, I have no problems with it.

02:03:18.000 Just transparent, yeah.

02:03:19.000 Frankly, if anyone's actually looked at ChatGPT, I once tried to use it for debate prep to be like, debate me on my ideas to see what my opponent would say. 0.90

02:03:26.000 It's like garbage on debate. 0.99

02:03:26.000 It's trash. 0.99

02:03:27.000 Badmouth Bandit says, did you see James O'Keefe put a video out undercover as a homeless man on Skid Row, catching petitioners paying homeless people for signatures and paying them to register to vote? 0.99

02:03:37.000 Indeed, I did.

02:03:39.000 And guys, like I worked for, do you know what the perg groups are? 1.00

02:03:44.000 The group, it's redundant.

02:03:45.000 It's the public interest research groups.

02:03:47.000 It's a series of nonprofits, and they had me go out and do voter registration.

02:03:51.000 And like, literally, I walked up to people who are like, uh-uh.

02:03:54.000 And it's like, well, just sign up anyway.

02:03:55.000 I'm like, okay, I guess.

02:03:56.000 Like, these people don't pay attention.

02:03:57.000 They don't care what's going on in the world.

02:03:59.000 I think that in order to vote, you have to sign up for selective service, men and women alike.

02:04:03.000 Then you get a voter ID card after you do, and then you can vote as you see fit.

02:04:09.000 All right, let's see.

02:04:11.000 Lachev says, there's no mess exodus, just a steady stream of the richest people leaving.

02:04:15.000 That means you're wrong because I'm arguing a term you didn't say.

02:04:18.000 Semantic BS and avoiding context on purpose.

02:04:23.000 Uh-oh.

02:04:24.000 YouTube super chats crashed.

02:04:27.000 YouTube always crashes.

02:04:28.000 I swear, like, YouTube's been shadow banning the show.

02:04:32.000 Like, everybody's complaining about it.

02:04:34.000 It's weird that there's a super chat bug with YouTube and it hasn't been fixed in three years.

02:04:39.000 Is it because most shows don't get 50, 500 super chats in a night?

02:04:44.000 No, it's because YouTube controls who is me and who is not.

02:04:44.000 Is that what you're doing?

02:04:49.000 A year ago, YouTube had us on the front page.

02:04:51.000 This is crazy.

02:04:51.000 Like, if you went to YouTube Live, we were the default live show.

02:04:56.000 Someone clicked the button and then someone else got pissed and then dropped the hammer on you.

02:05:01.000 You guys got to understand.

02:05:02.000 If you don't fix that bug, you're not going to eclipse the level that we're at.

02:05:07.000 You need to, I don't know what the problem is.

02:05:08.000 Fix it.

02:05:09.000 It's been three years.

02:05:09.000 Okay, I'm cool.

02:05:11.000 All right.

02:05:11.000 Let's grab.

02:05:12.000 Let's grab some here.

02:05:13.000 What do we got here?

02:05:14.000 Pariah says, Press, I am here, as is Tim Cast tradition at 4.43 a.m. Pacific time on this day.

02:05:20.000 Our son Kai was born.

02:05:21.000 Congratulations.

02:05:23.000 That's cute.

02:05:23.000 Good job, man.

02:05:24.000 Congratulations.

02:05:25.000 Way to push yourself.

02:05:26.000 This is a cute tradition.

02:05:27.000 I like this.

02:05:28.000 All right.

02:05:28.000 It's just all over the place.

02:05:28.000 I know.

02:05:31.000 SA Federale says, listen, I never heard of this Kai Lahadi and left to watch the last YouTube I could find.

02:05:37.000 Jesse Lee Peterson questioning her as the funniest thing you'll ever watch.

02:05:40.000 I'm still laughing and choking.

02:05:41.000 Cheers, fam.

02:05:42.000 That was a very fun interview.

02:05:44.000 He's a funny guy.

02:05:45.000 He's unassumingly funny.

02:05:47.000 Does he travel?

02:05:48.000 I think he said he wasn't traveling, but we should.

02:05:50.000 Only the truth says the rich are leaving California because of a new proposed tax.

02:05:54.000 Indeed, we saw the Starbucks guy leave, and Starbucks is relocating to Nashville.

02:05:59.000 They're moving a good portion of their headquarters.

02:06:01.000 And right around the time that they announced they're going to be putting an income tax on high-income individuals.

02:06:06.000 I was going to tell you, I had, in my just anecdotal, nine families from my area in Los Angeles moved to Texas to the same area in Texas.

02:06:14.000 So there is an exodus.

02:06:16.000 I mean, you could say it's anecdotal or not, but that's nine families.

02:06:20.000 I mean, like I said earlier, we were asked by a production company if we'd consider being in New York, and we're like, no, 13.7% or whatever it is, because you've got city, state, and federal combined.

02:06:30.000 I'd be paying like 60%.

02:06:32.000 It's nuts.

02:06:33.000 And for what?

02:06:34.000 What would you get out of it? 0.98

02:06:35.000 A dude pushing someone on the subway tracks and like dog crap in the sidewalks. 0.95

02:06:35.000 I don't know. 0.95

02:06:40.000 I don't know if this would be our approach.

02:06:42.000 So there's a sweet spot here.

02:06:45.000 There has to be, right?

02:06:47.000 Taxes shouldn't, your question to taxers shouldn't just be, well, what do I get out of it?

02:06:52.000 Because part of the point of taxes is we all get something, right?

02:06:55.000 The reality is like, I'm willing to pay a certain amount of taxes so that if my employees have some sort of nightmare in the future, they can claim an unemployment and like have a life raft, right?

02:07:05.000 There are good things that come out of taxation.

02:07:07.000 But I disagree.

02:07:08.000 I think this country would be way better if people were just voting based on self-interest.

02:07:12.000 Wait, that was my argument.

02:07:14.000 I know.

02:07:15.000 I'm glad you caught that.

02:07:16.000 That bugs bunny.

02:07:18.000 Sure.

02:07:19.000 So the wealthy people should say, I am going to vote based on what benefits my life.

02:07:23.000 They do.

02:07:24.000 And then they leave.

02:07:24.000 The issue is that.

02:07:25.000 Well, they do.

02:07:26.000 It's just that they're always going to be outvoted by common man interest, right?

02:07:30.000 And so this is why I said there has to be a sweet spot, right?

02:07:32.000 Tax the rich doesn't mean I'm not for, I would never be for like a 90% tax on rich people.

02:07:37.000 I think that that's silly.

02:07:38.000 I think it's a bad progressive talking point.

02:07:39.000 But like land value tax, for example, is so much better than property tax.

02:07:44.000 It's genius.

02:07:45.000 How does it work?

02:07:46.000 Okay, so property taxes basically disincentivize you from developing property, right?

02:07:50.000 Because if your property gets better, they charge you more despite you contributing to society.

02:07:55.000 Land value says you're going to develop it as much as you want. 0.68

02:07:57.000 But if that piece of land, say you have 40 acres and it's in downtown LA, you're going to pay out your ass because it's high prime land and you have a lot of it. 0.98

02:08:07.000 Whereas if you have 40 acres in bum fuck nowhere, you're going to get taxed almost nothing. 0.97

02:08:10.000 So you're saying like the government should appropriate people's property? 0.97

02:08:13.000 No, that's very much the opposite.

02:08:15.000 It's saying we decide how much value a piece of land is worth based on its location, based on the size of plot, and you get taxed on that instead of the project.

02:08:23.000 The problem is inflation.

02:08:25.000 Let me finish the question.

02:08:26.000 We're just not asking a question.

02:08:27.000 So are you familiar with how property breaks apart and value taxes are government appropriation?

02:08:37.000 So I'll just explain it.

02:08:38.000 So you have 50 acres in 1800 and you're in an empty area that no one really cares about.

02:08:43.000 You do a little bit of farming there, but 50 acres isn't really enough to do any kind of substantial farming.

02:08:48.000 And it's a relatively small plot for back in the day.

02:08:51.000 You build a house, you die, your kids get it.

02:08:53.000 1900s come around and there's some development around your 50 acre plot of land.

02:08:57.000 And so the value has more worth now because of the existing businesses.

02:09:00.000 So what used to be just kind of wilderness trash now actually is reasonably valuable for anybody who wants to develop, but for the most part, they don't think about it.

02:09:09.000 However, property taxes for your property.

02:09:13.000 So let's do it all based on just modern property values.

02:09:16.000 So you have a property that's worth $100,000 and you got to pay a property tax about two grand per year and you make that money from your job or whatever it is you do and then you pay those taxes.

02:09:26.000 You give the property to your children, they inherit it. 0.94

02:09:28.000 But now because there's some development around, which you can't control, the property is worth $300,000.

02:09:33.000 You got to pay $6,000 this year.

02:09:35.000 Well, your kids who inherited are just working the same farm they always did.

02:09:39.000 They're not making $6,000.

02:09:41.000 The farm generates just enough to get by.

02:09:43.000 So what do they do?

02:09:44.000 They parcel a piece of that land.

02:09:45.000 They carve it off and they sell it off.

02:09:48.000 After 75 years, the land is now 50 different single acre parcels owned by a random spattering of people.

02:09:54.000 Or the worst part is they can't afford the taxes.

02:09:57.000 So the government seizes the property and then appropriates it.

02:09:59.000 But in the case of property tax, now we have a different incentive structure where they sit on their land and they let it get increasingly dilapidated over time because if they improve it, if they single warehouse.

02:09:59.000 Sure.

02:10:12.000 But your argument of a land value tax functions the exact same way, slightly differently.

02:10:16.000 Slightly differently, in a way that I essentially am saying I have preference for.

02:10:20.000 Like you can be opposed to land value tax, but I think it's a better tax.

02:10:23.000 If you have 50 acres and we say we're not taxing the development, so we're not going to consider the structures as per the value of that land, right?

02:10:30.000 It's going to be like spaces and stuff.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:30.000 Right.

02:10:32.000 Then I build a like aluminum plant, which brings 500 jobs and people start developing around my acreage.

02:10:41.000 They set up a coffee shop.

02:10:42.000 They set up a bank.

02:10:43.000 Neither of them of a small town from this refinery.

02:10:46.000 That refinery and development did increase the value of the land it sits on.

02:10:50.000 It won't be the same because the refinery is going to be worth tens of millions of dollars, but that land will go from 400,000 to 4 million overnight.

02:10:56.000 Yeah, and then it'll be more likely to be built into like a city later on.

02:10:59.000 I think that this, so again, your argument against this has to be all taxes are bad, right?

02:11:03.000 And I'm not for that.

02:11:04.000 No, no, it's that.

02:11:07.000 It's like a wealth tax or a property tax or a land value tax or like paying tax on the value of your car.

02:11:14.000 How do you tax land then?

02:11:15.000 How do you tax property?

02:11:17.000 You don't.

02:11:18.000 So just no taxes?

02:11:19.000 You can pay sales tax.

02:11:21.000 You can pay income tax.

02:11:22.000 But the point is.

02:11:24.000 So just never move.

02:11:25.000 Never move.

02:11:26.000 What does that mean?

02:11:26.000 Nerve.

02:11:27.000 Well, your incentive in that place, if all we tax is like sales, for example, then everyone is going to be incentivized to just keep property in the land.

02:11:35.000 We're going to have extremely low mobility.

02:11:37.000 Is your argument that we should create a system by which people can lose their land to the government to incentivize them to sell it off?

02:11:45.000 Usually.

02:11:46.000 The government put a gun to your head and said, do it or go to jail so they sell their property.

02:11:46.000 Oh, right.

02:11:51.000 Will you go to jail if you don't pay your taxes?

02:11:53.000 I think eventually, but like very rarely.

02:11:55.000 It's very rarely that like in cases where people refuse to take.

02:11:58.000 Will they seize your property if you don't pay taxes?

02:12:00.000 Up to a certain point.

02:12:01.000 They won't take it free.

02:12:02.000 So when you tax someone's property, and they've inherited the land, I can't tell you how I bought a piece of land that was for pennies in the dollar.

02:12:09.000 It was inherited by the family that owned it.

02:12:12.000 And they were like, we don't make money that can afford the taxes on this place.

02:12:15.000 Sure, but I'm in favor of some taxes, right?

02:12:17.000 I'm obviously in favor of taxes.

02:12:18.000 No, but when you tax someone's land, you're basically saying there will be no generational wealth.

02:12:22.000 Well, arguably, what you're saying is that while generational wealth will be maintained, but there will be no housing development ever at any time, because if you sell things off, you lose money.

02:12:31.000 Yeah, because if you if you are the person arguing that.

02:12:34.000 No, I'm not saying that.

02:12:36.000 If a housing development emerges around dead acreage, that acreage becomes worth more money.

02:12:41.000 If you only get taxed on what you sell, which is your model, then you're never incentivized to ever sell, right?

02:12:47.000 You are.

02:12:48.000 Why would you ever sell if that's the time you're going to get taxed on it?

02:12:50.000 Well, if someone inherits a piece of property and says, I don't want to live in West Virginia, so they sell it.

02:12:54.000 And they retain the...

02:12:54.000 Why don't you just rent it?

02:12:55.000 You certainly could, but...

02:12:57.000 Yeah, that's what most people would probably do is we would end up in major landowners.

02:13:00.000 I was going to say this.

02:13:01.000 I don't think you have any experience with rental markets or how that system works because most people don't want to do it.

02:13:07.000 I have a decent amount and I understand that a lot of people are going to be able to do it.

02:13:09.000 Environmental properties?

02:13:10.000 No, my, one of my close family projects.

02:13:12.000 No and and everyone's advocating against it.

02:13:12.000 It's miserable.

02:13:15.000 You've got uh Mikey Taylor, shout out to Mikey Taylor, who's a real estate developer saying, You don't want to own, you don't want to rent, you want to be a renter.

02:13:23.000 Sort of one of the largest contributors to American GDP, so we are definitely renting, and there is definitely incentive to agglomerations.

02:13:32.000 What I'm saying is that we have two different tax systems.

02:13:34.000 I'm taxing either way.

02:13:36.000 I think my system works, and I'm fine with people selling off their property because suddenly grandpa's property from 300 years ago is worth $17 million, and then they can go buy a farm and probably buy six times the land.

02:13:48.000 Yes, I think that that's a better system.

02:13:49.000 Although, yeah, whatever it's going to be in favor of it, sell it off.

02:13:52.000 Huh?

02:13:52.000 The government forcing it is forced.

02:13:55.000 How is it not force?

02:13:56.000 It's not forcing because you could choose to default on your own.

02:13:59.000 But that's great.

02:14:00.000 And then they'll seize your land because you're not going to be able to do that.

02:14:02.000 In this case, you're saying the government's forcing you to never move.

02:14:04.000 What do you mean they're forcing it everyone?

02:14:06.000 You choose it to move if you want to move if you don't.

02:14:07.000 You choose to sell if you don't want to sell.

02:14:09.000 If the government tells you, pay this bill or we will take your land from you.

02:14:13.000 If the government says if you sell this thing, we will take a bunch of your money.

02:14:16.000 That's force.

02:14:16.000 That's sales tax.

02:14:18.000 Mine's property tax.

02:14:19.000 And you can still sell a property and retain the majority of the value you have on it without ever having to parcel it away.

02:14:24.000 So, yes, you can literally say, I don't want to sell my land and keep it.

02:14:27.000 And if you decide to sell it to move on, then you pay a tax.

02:14:30.000 Fine.

02:14:30.000 So nobody will ever sell.

02:14:32.000 No, some people will.

02:14:33.000 Very people won't.

02:14:34.000 They'll retain the value.

02:14:35.000 Most people won't become rentals.

02:14:35.000 You're right.

02:14:38.000 Won't turn into rentals.

02:14:39.000 And most people who inherit property from their parents sell it because they don't want to live in those areas.

02:14:45.000 So here's the issue.

02:14:46.000 Yes.

02:14:46.000 I'm not a libertarian.

02:14:47.000 I think the government is allowed to do some level of coercion.

02:14:49.000 And I think while you might not like this, I think my idea of land value tax is a better tax system than property taxes.

02:14:55.000 But yes, I do want taxation on land to some degree.

02:14:58.000 I think it's a valuable thing for municipalities.

02:15:01.000 We're going to go to the Rumble on censorship portion of the show over at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL.

02:15:06.000 Matthew, do you want to shout anything out?

02:15:08.000 Just Matthew D. Marsden on YouTube and on all the socials.

02:15:12.000 Yeah.

02:15:12.000 Right on.

02:15:13.000 Yeah.

02:15:14.000 Not so erudite everywhere.

02:15:16.000 You could do like, oh, I'm eating Crossland if you need it.

02:15:18.000 If you didn't know, you tax their property, but if they rent out their property, you stop taxing them while they're renting, as long as they're a renter.

02:15:26.000 But anyway, I was going to shove that in during the show.

02:15:27.000 I didn't have a chance because it was so good.

02:15:29.000 Catch us on Rumble.

02:15:31.000 See you there.

02:15:32.000 Carter.

02:15:33.000 Carter Banks. 0.99

02:15:34.000 Damn, looking forward to the after show. 1.00

02:15:34.000 Yes. 1.00

02:15:36.000 I guess we're technically still on the show.

02:15:36.000 Let's get into it.

02:15:38.000 We'll see you guys at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL.

02:15:41.000 And it'll be the same conversation but with swear words.

02:15:43.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:16:24.000 So just before the camera switch back on, Kyle, you were explaining how you were a communist.

02:16:29.000 Yes.

02:16:30.000 So I'm a communist because I think that we live in a society, which means that we have to pay taxes.

02:16:34.000 Imagine that, right?

02:16:36.000 If you're principally against all taxes, that's fine.

02:16:38.000 No, I'm not a communist.

02:16:41.000 All taxes are communism.

02:16:44.000 No, I'm actually somewhat in favor of the progressive tax system to a certain degree.

02:16:49.000 I think the brackets need to be massive.

02:16:51.000 I think they agree with that actually very strongly.

02:16:56.000 There's a series of problems.

02:16:58.000 Most people don't make income over like a couple million dollars.

02:17:02.000 Correct.

02:17:02.000 Like Elon Musk doesn't, Bezos doesn't.

02:17:05.000 I think Bezos, his income is a million dollars a year.

02:17:10.000 And he's probably got, that's income, that's like salary income.

02:17:15.000 And then he's probably got capital gains and things like that.

02:17:17.000 But Andrew Tate was talking about a very clever system, a very, very well-known system of avoiding paying income tax for high net worth and high-profile individuals.

02:17:26.000 And that is he creates a corporation in the Cayman Islands that owns the rights to his likeness and his image.

02:17:34.000 And he has to pay a fee to publish his name and image to the Cayman Islands.

02:17:39.000 So he says he's exaggerating the numbers.

02:17:42.000 He's like, if I make $50 million, I got to pay a $50 million fee, which obviously would not work tax-wise.

02:17:47.000 There needs to be a predetermined fee before.

02:17:50.000 But so one of the most common things they'll do is people will set a company that owns the intellectual property to develop.

02:17:57.000 When their company uses it, they'll have a set fee of $10 million per year, which is a static fee that is unchanging.

02:18:03.000 And then they'll say, well, we made $13 million this year, but I got to pay a $10 million fee, which goes to the business in the Cayman Islands, which takes that income, doesn't pay taxes on it.

02:18:11.000 There's another trick that people do.

02:18:13.000 And this is, again, the reason why I largely just don't think taxes work is there is no function by which you can ever actually tax somebody.

02:18:20.000 So right now, there's something, there's new trusts available in Delaware.

02:18:23.000 They're relatively new.

02:18:25.000 And the way it works is wealthy people pay $5,000 a year to maintain this trust that holds their assets.

02:18:30.000 Here's a little-known secret for most people.

02:18:33.000 If I have a million dollars, I put it in a trust.

02:18:37.000 I've paid tax on that million dollars.

02:18:38.000 It's clean, good to go.

02:18:40.000 The trust uses that million dollars to buy a $1 million house.

02:18:45.000 That house is in the name of the trust.

02:18:47.000 A year later, the house is now worth $1.5 million.

02:18:51.000 Taxes are paid, insurance is paid.

02:18:53.000 The trust then sells the house for $1.5 million.

02:18:57.000 The trust does not pay taxes because no entity took in income.

02:19:03.000 The trust is not a taxable entity.

02:19:05.000 So the $1.5 is still considered in an investment.

02:19:09.000 It can then invest that $1.5 million into the market, a year later, make $1 million and be worth $2.5, sell all those assets for cash, have $2.5 million in cash and not be taxed because it is not a tax-paying entity.

02:19:22.000 And that's what most people do with these Delaware trusts.

02:19:25.000 So when people are like, we're going to tax it or tax that, what they're really saying is we're going to create barriers by which working class people who may be on the cusp of becoming upper class will be constrained.

02:19:35.000 So when you say like the highest tax bracket is $250,000, the important thing to understand is if an individual makes $250,000 a year, they're living comfortably.

02:19:45.000 The estimate is that you need about $150,000 on average in the United States so that you have everything taken care of.

02:19:49.000 You got two weeks vacation.

02:19:50.000 You can afford to have a family.

02:19:51.000 You've got healthcare.

02:19:52.000 And then you got $100,000 per year.

02:19:55.000 Well, let's stop.

02:19:56.000 With $250,000, you're going to be paying about 37% in taxes.

02:20:01.000 So you're going to have roughly like $175K after the fact.

02:20:03.000 Or maybe like, what are you going to be?

02:20:05.000 $150,000, maybe?

02:20:07.000 And so you're just about breaking even.

02:20:09.000 If your taxes, you're living comfortably.

02:20:11.000 Let's say you're at $275K, so now you've got about $1020,000 that you can realistically just put in investments.

02:20:17.000 Those investments are slow growing.

02:20:18.000 I mean, putting $17K per year in a 401k is something massive, way better than most people.

02:20:23.000 Now, let's say you make $13 million per year.

02:20:26.000 Use $150,000 to live comfortably, and then you've got $12,850,000 to literally invest wherever you want in whatever you want and just grow money rapidly.

02:20:38.000 But you are paying the same tax rate.

02:20:40.000 Worse, the access money is being funneled through trusts or the Cayman Islands or whatever it is.

02:20:45.000 So you're probably not paying anything on that.

02:20:47.000 The taxes that they're putting in place the way they are target individuals who are just, here's the way I view it.

02:20:54.000 I think the system is designed and increasingly being designed so that there is the working bracket and you will have the impoverished and then you will have the upper class.

02:21:04.000 There will be people who pretend to be rich, who feel like they're rich because they make a couple hundred thousand dollars per year.

02:21:09.000 Then there are going to be the ultra-wealthy, the people who are making maybe like 10 plus million per year who have blasted off and broken orbit, and you will never catch them.

02:21:16.000 There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop them.

02:21:19.000 You go to Elon Musk and say, we want to tax you, he'll say, hey, China.

02:21:22.000 And China's going to be like, anything you want, brother. 0.96

02:21:24.000 We will give you a palace if you bring your companies to us.

02:21:27.000 You give us SpaceX, it's yours.

02:21:29.000 There is nothing you can do to catch these people.

02:21:31.000 The world that's being created is the base peasant class, which does have its wealthy merchant types. 0.84

02:21:39.000 And then there's going to be ultra-elite global class that can escape and go wherever they want, no matter what.

02:21:44.000 It's been like that kind of forever with the interesting system as well as getting worse.

02:21:48.000 It used to be like feudalism in the royals, and the common men had no opportunity to eschew their lot in life and become wealthy.

02:21:55.000 It just didn't literally was by design impossible.

02:21:58.000 Now, with capitalism, we're like, no, now you have a chance. 0.98

02:22:00.000 Now you can get fucking rich. 0.96

02:22:02.000 Except they still have these barriers. 0.98

02:22:04.000 Like obviously Kanye wanted to go up to the next level of billionaire class.

02:22:07.000 They're like, no, you ain't one of us, bro.

02:22:09.000 Or like people don't understand trusts and the way that you can bypass taxes.

02:22:13.000 So they get constantly booted down to stay at that like mega rich.

02:22:17.000 You know, they don't want to, but it's still that, there's still these like feudalistic impulses in place.

02:22:25.000 Yeah, I mean, we have a situation right now where it seems like what you're saying is we have capital owners who can bend the financial reality at whim.

02:22:32.000 And these upper caste members will always bend reality in their favor. 1.00

02:22:37.000 Can't do anything about it.

02:22:38.000 You can't do anything about it.

02:22:40.000 Any proposal you make is simply countered by China will open up its arms in two seconds. 0.52

02:22:45.000 I think to say you can't do anything leads to terrorism.

02:22:48.000 That's the problem is that people, when they come very, they'll try and blow it up if they think there's zero.

02:22:53.000 You can get the system to break itself from inside.

02:22:55.000 That doesn't change the fact that China will open its arms.

02:22:57.000 Yeah, like you try and tax a corporation, it goes overseas. 0.99

02:23:00.000 If you really are trying to tax space, I mean, they'll say fuck you and go land on the moon. 0.99

02:23:04.000 That's Elon's plan. 0.99

02:23:06.000 The moon base is going to be the HQ for SpaceX.

02:23:08.000 I'll pay no taxes.

02:23:11.000 But I'm also assuming you're not anti-capitalist either.

02:23:14.000 I love capitalism.

02:23:15.000 So how do you strike the, because what we're talking about right now is like kind of the criticism of late-stage capitalism.

02:23:21.000 And I'm not saying that you're incorrect about any of this necessarily, but what is the answer here in this late-stage capitalism?

02:23:28.000 If we are pro-capitalist, there isn't an answer.

02:23:29.000 We just like let the rich people drag us to hell.

02:23:31.000 Well, no, no, no.

02:23:33.000 I think what humans need to understand is that there is nothing you can do to defeat someone who is smarter than you.

02:23:41.000 David Goggins would disagree.

02:23:43.000 And I agree with David Goggins.

02:23:46.000 I understand that nothing is absolute.

02:23:48.000 My point is, the collective machinations of humanity is not going to stop the smartest individual.

02:23:58.000 No matter what barriers you put in place, they will figure it out. 0.97

02:24:01.000 Like people are crazy.

02:24:03.000 The only thing I think that will limit them is morality, don't you think?

02:24:08.000 Because you can be very smart.

02:24:09.000 And then if your actions create a negative ripple effect, one of the challenges is that at the highest levels of intelligence, you start to get like I think there's a reason there's a correlation between like sociopathy and like high IQ people.

02:24:29.000 Because when you start to ask deep philosophical questions and entertain higher ordered thinking, so like the highest order of thinking is contemplating like multiversal phenomena and like things like that, it minimizes the human experience to a great deal.

02:24:44.000 The people who can't comprehend like the higher levels of the universe or whatever, higher order thinking, they're living in a very human visceral plane.

02:24:55.000 They understand the human experience and that's what they live in and they deeply care about it.

02:24:59.000 The smarter a person gets, the more robotic they get because they start to look at the needs and wants of humans as minimal.

02:25:08.000 And then there's certainly people who have deep philosophical understandings.

02:25:11.000 Like a good example is just like how we, how we, how we envisioned Dr. Manhattan and Watchmen, are you familiar?

02:25:16.000 Yeah, his statement about having witnessed things so small they could not even be have not even have said to happen at all or whatever, whatever the quote is.

02:25:28.000 And he can see forward and backward in time.

02:25:30.000 So he just doesn't care about humans at all.

02:25:34.000 This is a perception of the smartest people.

02:25:38.000 You know, like one way I can phrase it in a way that like reduces it is, imagine you were going to work and everyone at your work was seven years old and they were complaining about the, there's not, there's not cookies in the refrigerator.

02:25:53.000 And you're sitting there going like, guys, if we don't get the generator ring again, the press is not going to work and we're not going to sell products.

02:26:00.000 And they're all banging their hands on the table being like, what don't you get about the cookies being missing?

02:26:04.000 This is the perception that the ultra elite high, I'm not saying every ultra elite is high intelligence. 1.00

02:26:08.000 Some are dumb as shit. 0.98

02:26:10.000 But there are a lot of ultra high intelligence people who hear you talking about things like property taxes and they're just like, they're like, what don't you understand about like, you know, like the exponential expansion of the human population and the lack of resources if we do not accommodate. 1.00

02:26:28.000 And then you're sitting there being like, look, man, I'm just trying to get gas to go to work.

02:26:33.000 So while the average person is concerned with these low, like base level things, whether they're intelligent or not, highly intelligent people are looking down at the being like, I'm much more concerned with like the plasma fuel injectors for the new ship that's going to put humanity on other planets.

02:26:52.000 So but you think there's a philosophical element to that as well, though, because we're talking mainly just about science.

02:26:59.000 Absolutely.

02:27:00.000 And one great example of what you bring up is there was this great debate that I saw where this very intelligent woman was talking about Agrippa's trilemma and this other guy just didn't understand what it was.

02:27:11.000 And it's frustrating.

02:27:12.000 I'm kidding, by the way, that was Kyla Debane and Andrew Wilson.

02:27:14.000 He did not understand it.

02:27:15.000 That is true.

02:27:16.000 And understanding Agrippa's trilemma, by the way.

02:27:19.000 Indeed.

02:27:20.000 And understanding Agrippa's trilemma is important in reaching a higher order of thinking.

02:27:26.000 Andrew, I'm just kidding.

02:27:28.000 Well, the point I'm making is that the highest level of philosophical debate get to the point where they're all nihilists, complete nihilists.

02:27:28.000 Sorry.

02:27:38.000 They just, there's low-tier nihilism, I would describe it, where you get like a lot of lefty activists where they're just like, nothing matters, so who cares?

02:27:46.000 And at the highest levels, you get these people who are like, nothing matters but what I decide.

02:27:51.000 And those people are building spaceships and building factories and nuclear submarines or autonomous drones with lasers on them. 0.96

02:27:59.000 Like the stuff that Andarilla's building, like that AI-powered night vision headset that can track human beings behind buildings, fucking insane. 0.95

02:28:08.000 These are people who are just like, they see the world differently and they bend it to their whim. 0.97

02:28:14.000 There is no law you will pass that will stop them.

02:28:16.000 It's not possible.

02:28:17.000 So I guess I'm curious, do you, and I'm not saying that you're a communist and I'm not saying I'm a communist or a Marxist, but Marx often levies a lot of these criticisms of capitalism.

02:28:26.000 It just seems like for you, maybe what's different between you and Marx is that you think these hierarchies can't be flattened.

02:28:32.000 They can't be reduced.

02:28:34.000 Whereas Marx's solution to these problems that you're outlining is to flatten hierarchies.

02:28:39.000 You can't.

02:28:40.000 So I guess I don't think you can ever perfectly solve the world.

02:28:43.000 But I think what you're advocating for is this type of kind of intellectual nihilism that I don't think is pointing out what it is.

02:28:52.000 I'm not advocating for it.

02:28:53.000 You're saying that it's an inevitability.

02:28:55.000 And I think like one of the most, I think it's a fact if you act as though it must be, right?

02:29:00.000 I think one of the most important things that I learn in philosophy that I love about philosophy is that the future isn't set, right?

02:29:08.000 I think one of the ways in which we have lifted more humans out of poverty, we have maximized on these kind of Machiavelli geniuses is to convince these people and people like them and some of our base instincts to uplift humans towards the best conditions we've ever seen in human history.

02:29:27.000 People are living longer, right?

02:29:29.000 There is less poverty.

02:29:30.000 There's less hunger.

02:29:31.000 There's less child death.

02:29:33.000 There are many problems with the world.

02:29:35.000 I have an idea.

02:29:35.000 Yes.

02:29:36.000 We should get 100 random people to play a game of chess against Magnus Carlson by vote.

02:29:42.000 Like, that's not even a joke.

02:29:43.000 I'd be really interested to see if this could work if you took like 100 random chess players of various ELO and they would convene and then they would have like three minutes to come to a decision.

02:29:55.000 Three weeks long.

02:29:56.000 Yeah.

02:29:56.000 That's a really, I've never picked the move at once and then the vote would tally in the move that got the most votes.

02:30:02.000 They would do individually.

02:30:04.000 They could go for three weeks.

02:30:05.000 They would be a conversation quickly where they'd be like, everyone, plug in your votes on the move that you think we should make.

02:30:09.000 And then they would be like, whichever move gets the most vote.

02:30:11.000 We'll discuss.

02:30:11.000 That's a fun team game.

02:30:13.000 And then I think it would be great if it was like average chess players.

02:30:19.000 Like you obviously put a grandmaster in, guys, I'm a grandmaster.

02:30:21.000 Let me handle this.

02:30:22.000 They'll say, sure.

02:30:23.000 The point I'm curious is, can a decentralized group of average people defeat the best?

02:30:28.000 If you can defer your vote to one among you, then yes.

02:30:31.000 You can do whatever you want.

02:30:32.000 Because if I was one of the hundred and I'm like, I think Tim knows the game better than me and I think everyone else would all get to vote to Tim because he can beat Magnus one-on-one.

02:30:39.000 And that's maybe.

02:30:40.000 That's why I said there will be grandmasters.

02:30:41.000 It'll be average players. 1.00

02:30:42.000 But if you force people to vote, the idiots will drag you down and you will lose to the grandmaster. 1.00

02:30:46.000 Well, you're talking about representative democracy, right? 1.00

02:30:48.000 The point I'm bringing up is potentially.

02:30:50.000 Not necessarily potentially.

02:30:52.000 The point I'm bringing up is that I explain to people all the time that it's extremely easy to manipulate a human being.

02:31:00.000 And I love this.

02:31:01.000 I have this trick that I do where I will tell someone, I can make you say a sentence.

02:31:06.000 I can make you say it.

02:31:08.000 And there's a couple of, there's a bunch of really funny rudimentary tricks.

02:31:11.000 It's a basic magician trick.

02:31:12.000 I can make you say, yeah, but not me, though, or something to that effect.

02:31:16.000 And then everybody goes, try me.

02:31:20.000 And then I explain the basic functions of social engineering over a period of two minutes, to which after I explain the basics are rapport extreme turn.

02:31:29.000 This is how you manipulate someone.

02:31:30.000 This is one-on-one, right?

02:31:32.000 You get more in-depth schooling on this one.

02:31:33.000 You can learn out more.

02:31:34.000 The first thing you got to do is rapport.

02:31:35.000 Rapport means you can only convince a person you are.

02:31:38.000 If you go to a businessman wearing a suit and you're Ian, he's not going to listen to you.

02:31:42.000 It's going to be very difficult.

02:31:43.000 The first thing you have to do is approach them as a friend.

02:31:45.000 Otherwise, they're going to have defense barriers. 0.98

02:31:47.000 The second thing you do is called the extreme.

02:31:49.000 So for example, what you would do is you meet someone who likes Obama.

02:31:53.000 So you say, hey, what do you think about Obama?

02:31:56.000 And they go, I love him.

02:31:57.000 He was the best president ever.

02:31:58.000 Step one.

02:31:59.000 True.

02:31:59.000 Rapport.

02:32:00.000 Oh, thank God. 0.98

02:32:01.000 I am so sick of these maggots. 0.98

02:32:03.000 Can't we bring Obama back? 0.97

02:32:05.000 He was the best president we have ever had.

02:32:07.000 Don't you agree?

02:32:08.000 High five.

02:32:08.000 Yes.

02:32:09.000 You are friends.

02:32:10.000 We trust each other.

02:32:11.000 You know what I really love about Obama?

02:32:13.000 Like, I'm just going to say it.

02:32:15.000 Maybe a little controversial, but he was willing to do what needed to be done, even if he blew up children. 1.00

02:32:23.000 And I know that sounds harsh, but when you're dealing with these fucking Muslim terrorists that are willing to kill women and children, I say, turn them to fucking glass. 1.00

02:32:32.000 Now, any liberal is going to say, fuck no, right? 1.00

02:32:36.000 Well, it depends on which hawkish liberal. 1.00

02:32:39.000 Killer Clinton, I like it.

02:32:40.000 But the average liberal in a city is going to go like, oh, my God.

02:32:40.000 Agreed.

02:32:44.000 Like no.

02:32:45.000 And then when they reject that, that's called the extreme.

02:32:47.000 You give them what's called the turn.

02:32:48.000 And that's where you go, okay, maybe it's a little much.

02:32:52.000 I guess you're right.

02:32:53.000 Like, Obama wasn't perfect, but I still really like him, right?

02:32:56.000 What you've done is you've made them the anti-Obama person.

02:33:00.000 You are so fervent for Obama, you like even the things that people think are bad.

02:33:03.000 They then give you the counter.

02:33:05.000 You give them an extreme they cannot accept.

02:33:07.000 And when they say no, you say, I guess you were right the whole time.

02:33:11.000 Obama's not perfect, but I still like him.

02:33:14.000 In their mind, they have just come out criticizing Obama.

02:33:18.000 That's 101.

02:33:19.000 That's the most rudimentary of manipulations.

02:33:21.000 So then when I tell a person this, they always respond with, I get it, but not me, though.

02:33:27.000 And then I say, What did I tell you I was going to make you say?

02:33:29.000 And they go, Oh my God.

02:33:32.000 Because people don't understand that if manipulation wasn't possible, Coca-Cola would not buy ads.

02:33:38.000 We are all, including myself, easily manipulated, easily manipulated.

02:33:42.000 There's a bunch of advanced stages beyond that that if you're into sales and stuff like this, you're going to learn all these tactics.

02:33:48.000 But I will just put it simply: you can ban wealth.

02:33:52.000 You can literally say no one is allowed to legally have more than $1,000 in their bank account, and there will be a guy who is worth $7 trillion.

02:34:00.000 You can create any system you want.

02:34:03.000 You will not, you are not smart enough to beat someone smarter than you.

02:34:06.000 And there are going to be cream of the crop, ultra high-end, especially with 8 billion people who are so smart, they will manufacture a system and you can't stop them.

02:34:15.000 And maybe that system is, they have 100 employees who hide diamonds in various markers in the desert.

02:34:21.000 So they know where all of their wealth is, but it's not visible in the system and no one can find it.

02:34:26.000 And if they ever need to move large amounts of wealth, they have a network to do it.

02:34:28.000 You can make up a million and one ways they do it.

02:34:30.000 I have a question for you.

02:34:31.000 Yes.

02:34:32.000 So you mentioned the higher the IQ, basically the smarter a person is, the kind of more detached they are from, you said like from emotions.

02:34:42.000 Kind of, right?

02:34:43.000 Like baser human experience, the higher orders of thinking.

02:34:48.000 So if you're talking about that kind of manipulation, are they less susceptible to that?

02:34:52.000 Or does it have to be, does it have to happen in a different way?

02:34:55.000 Because you're kind of talking about playing on emotions, right?

02:34:59.000 Because that's a susceptible thing.

02:35:01.000 They are as susceptible as any other human, but you'll approach them differently.

02:35:07.000 How would you do that with someone who is, you know, like an Elon?

02:35:11.000 And I wouldn't know Elon specifically, but what I would say is the easier way to explain it is how do you beat Magnus Carlson at chess?

02:35:18.000 Right.

02:35:19.000 Is it possible to beat him at chess?

02:35:20.000 Of course it is.

02:35:22.000 Any one of our supercomputers can do it.

02:35:24.000 Now, you trying to navigate what you need to do and say and figure out this person is going to get increasingly more difficult.

02:35:30.000 And it's not even about necessarily intelligence.

02:35:32.000 It's about passion, aggression, their behaviors.

02:35:36.000 I'd actually be less worried about Elon Musk and more worried about a meathead who's hopped up on testosterone.

02:35:41.000 He's going to be angry with you no matter what and just tell you you're wrong for the sake of being wrong.

02:35:44.000 Like, just I'm going to argue with you no matter what no matter what you say. 0.99

02:35:46.000 Which is crazy when people do that kind of shit. 0.99

02:35:48.000 To be fair, though, there are still pretty easy ways to manipulate people who are like that. 0.99

02:35:52.000 For one example, one example, one example I call bugs bunnying, when someone is clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing, you do a little dance and you can slowly ask questions and shift your positions until they're arguing the opposite side.

02:36:07.000 Not to prove them wrong because they'll still think they're right, but to show people they weren't actually arguing with in the first place.

02:36:12.000 I'm just wondering if there's a way, like, is there that kind of hubris when you get that smart that you think that you're smarter than everybody else?

02:36:19.000 So therefore that is a weakness.

02:36:21.000 I disagree.

02:36:22.000 I don't think so.

02:36:23.000 I think it is.

02:36:24.000 I think as the quote is, the ignorant are confident and the wise are so full of doubt.

02:36:30.000 You don't, you don't.

02:36:32.000 But wise doesn't mean high IQ.

02:36:34.000 Wise, what?

02:36:34.000 Wise isn't high IQ, right?

02:36:36.000 We kind of got to decide if intelligence are different.

02:36:38.000 But to a certain degree, like there is a correlation, right?

02:36:42.000 Knowledge and wisdom are different.

02:36:44.000 But wise typically implies your ability to comprehend cross reasoning, right?

02:36:50.000 Are you familiar with Julie Galif?

02:36:51.000 I think you'd find her interesting.

02:36:52.000 Have you heard of the graph of doom?

02:36:54.000 Okay.

02:36:54.000 No.

02:36:55.000 That's very nihilistic for you.

02:36:56.000 So what you basically have is people's level of scientific literacy and then their confidence and position on something controversial like climate change.

02:37:05.000 And what you'll notice is that the more scientifically literate the person is, depending on if they are pro-climate change or anti-climate change, their confidence in their position only decreases.

02:37:16.000 It actually increases.

02:37:18.000 It increases.

02:37:20.000 Right?

02:37:20.000 They think they're more right in their rightness.

02:37:22.000 Well, I would imagine that's a valley or that's a bell curve, right?

02:37:26.000 It's not.

02:37:26.000 No, no, no, no.

02:37:27.000 That's why it's the graph of doom, right?

02:37:28.000 It's this idea. 1.00

02:37:29.000 Because she's pointing out that they're all retarded. 1.00

02:37:30.000 No, it's the idea that good quality thinking has less to do with how much information.

02:37:36.000 This is why people like getting mad at me, like fact-checking you, where if anyone ever gets mad at you, like fact-checking them.

02:37:40.000 It's like, what makes you a quality thinker isn't having eight bajillion facts at your fingertips.

02:37:47.000 It's your capacity to wield them effectively and intelligently.

02:37:51.000 It's your ability to look for counterfactuals and try to search for where you're wrong.

02:37:56.000 The ultimate test, I would say, is ask someone if they're good at poker. 0.92

02:38:03.000 I'm trash at poker.

02:38:06.000 Professionals will probably tell you, yeah, I'm good.

02:38:10.000 It's like, are you the best?

02:38:10.000 I'm a pro, right?

02:38:11.000 They'll be like, no.

02:38:12.000 I know some of the best poker players in the world, and they'll say, I am not, you know, like we had Daniel McGrano on, and he's my, I'm like, this guy's my favorite.

02:38:20.000 I love watching his videos.

02:38:21.000 The best speech play.

02:38:22.000 He reads people like a boss.

02:38:23.000 He's the best.

02:38:24.000 He goes, I'm not.

02:38:25.000 I'm not the best.

02:38:28.000 I use an example because poker is the perfect, perfect, whatever you want to call it, game or whatever. 1.00

02:38:34.000 Because regular, poker only exists because stupid people think they're smart. 1.00

02:38:42.000 It's not even a joke. 0.99

02:38:44.000 When you're the highest level of advanced poker player, of which I am nowhere near, and you've got what's called game theory optimal mapped in your mind, you know how to play exploitative, all of these things.

02:38:56.000 There are strategies in poker that are like mathematically, like I'm still trying to grasp.

02:39:00.000 It's brilliant stuff.

02:39:01.000 And I'm talking about specifically Texas Holden.

02:39:04.000 If I play against a low-stakes player at 1-3 at my current level, because I've been coached by some pros, I've sought out to improve myself.

02:39:13.000 It is mind-blowing to me, but I totally understand it. 1.00

02:39:16.000 There are people who make the stupidest mistakes. 1.00

02:39:20.000 They all do it 99%, play poorly, refuse to study, refuse to learn, and then say, I'm a good player. 1.00

02:39:27.000 And I'm like, wow, you're losing money.

02:39:31.000 You don't understand how to play, and you think you're good at this.

02:39:34.000 What's that metric for being good?

02:39:36.000 Like, isn't losing money bad?

02:39:39.000 Well, not always.

02:39:41.000 You make them think you're shitty at the game, and then next time you play him, you dominate.

02:39:44.000 eventually there's a so there is a i mean eventually there there there is uh in poker you can if you if you're um if you're playing table images is something that that matters depending on online it's very different but it still exists If you're it's strategy and how you appear.

02:40:02.000 So I was playing at MGM and three hands in a row, I got what are called premiums.

02:40:06.000 So I got Ace King suited. 0.99

02:40:07.000 Fuck yes. 1.00

02:40:08.000 I raise, get a call, flop comes out, I hit a king, I bet, they fold, they're pissed off. 1.00

02:40:14.000 Next hand comes, I have Jacks, another premium hand, like fourth best hand.

02:40:18.000 And so I make a bet.

02:40:19.000 Everybody calls, the flop comes out, it's nine, seven deuce, rainbow, meaning my jacks are good, most likely.

02:40:25.000 I make a bet, dude folds.

02:40:27.000 Maybe, you know, it's not always the right move to make a bet, but sometimes your hand needs protection.

02:40:30.000 I'll get into the advanced strategy in a second if we need to.

02:40:32.000 And then this dude starts getting mad, being like, the dude's raising nonstop, and he's betting everything.

02:40:36.000 He can't have it.

02:40:38.000 This literally happened.

02:40:39.000 I got Jacks again.

02:40:41.000 I make a bet.

02:40:43.000 And then the dude calls, and the flop comes out with a jack, which gives me what's called a set, three of a kind. 0.97

02:40:49.000 And now I'm real fucking happy.

02:40:50.000 There are no draws. 0.98

02:40:52.000 I have what's called at the time the nuts, the strongest possible hand, and I make a bet.

02:40:56.000 And then he says, oh, you got it again, did you?

02:40:58.000 So he calls this time.

02:41:00.000 And then I said, or you're walking into a trap because I'm playing straight up and I got good hands and you are too arrogant to think you're wrong.

02:41:07.000 And he lost all his money.

02:41:08.000 He was like, you're bluffing.

02:41:10.000 Like, it is mine.

02:41:11.000 It's not possible that someone will get three hands in a row.

02:41:13.000 Therefore, you're lying to me.

02:41:14.000 I call and I said, I have the nuts. 1.00

02:41:15.000 And he's like, fuck. 1.00

02:41:17.000 So sometimes these things happen. 1.00

02:41:20.000 It doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad player.

02:41:22.000 But what I will stress is all good players sometimes lose.

02:41:26.000 Good players, typically on average, we track what's called big blinds per hour.

02:41:30.000 Bad players will go to a casino or they'll go to a poker room.

02:41:34.000 They'll win a hundred bucks and go, I'm pretty good at this.

02:41:37.000 And then they'll come back and lose everything.

02:41:39.000 So I only bring that up one because I love poker and I'll always talk about it.

02:41:42.000 But my point is the average person is absolute in their abilities.

02:41:47.000 They're smarter than you.

02:41:48.000 They know everything. 1.00

02:41:48.000 And they've never fucking Googled it. 1.00

02:41:51.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

02:41:51.000 It's so bizarre to me. 0.98

02:41:52.000 I mean, do you think that's something that people do across the board, though?

02:41:57.000 Yes.

02:41:58.000 Like, oh, I'll go to karaoke.

02:41:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:00.000 I'll have one good night singing.

02:42:01.000 And now I'm as good as Celine Dion or whatever.

02:42:04.000 It's a double sword because if you don't think you're good, you probably won't get good.

02:42:09.000 You have to believe in yourself.

02:42:11.000 But I disagree.

02:42:12.000 Other people will be like, he has delusions of grandeur.

02:42:14.000 And then 10 years later, you come back and they're like, I always believed in you.

02:42:17.000 I knew you could do it.

02:42:18.000 Michael Jordan famously would watch videos of him playing basketball.

02:42:21.000 And I told a story the other day.

02:42:23.000 I remember when I learned that when I was a kid, I was like, why would he watch, like, I was told, he watches videos of him playing so he can improve.

02:42:31.000 And I said, Michael Jordan doesn't need to improve.

02:42:35.000 And I was told, Michael Jordan doesn't need to improve because he watches videos of himself to make sure he's playing properly.

02:42:42.000 And that's why he's the best.

02:42:43.000 And I went, oh.

02:42:46.000 The people that think they're the best usually aren't.

02:42:48.000 Dude, when it comes to the same thing, we got to go.

02:42:50.000 I love the difference between intelligence and wisdom and like the intelligent able to memorize a lot of data and the wise knowing when to utilize those things.

02:42:59.000 Well, yeah, I actually make three.

02:43:02.000 So I'm actually a psychometrist by trade, so I do IQ testing.

02:43:04.000 That's what my background's in.

02:43:05.000 So I'm decently familiar with IQ.

02:43:07.000 So when I'm talking about IQ, I'm talking about generalized intelligence.

02:43:10.000 I just think like Marcus Aurelius is very wise, right?

02:43:13.000 Love the Stoics.

02:43:16.000 But I don't think we have good evidence that he had the highest IQ in the world because I think you can be incredibly adept at knowing how to think with a low IQ.

02:43:25.000 I think people with 80 IQ can outperform in like actually navigating the world.

02:43:31.000 That's why it's a quotient.

02:43:33.000 Some people have terrible reading comprehension, but they're autist with math.

02:43:38.000 Yeah, but that's not really what I, yes, but no.

02:43:41.000 That's like an anomaly.

02:43:43.000 When you're ADIQ, that means you're across all five indices, you're average.

02:43:48.000 Exactly, because you're mapping a bunch of different reasonings and comprehension skills a person might have.

02:43:55.000 But when you have so in it, I don't know if we need to get into this.

02:43:55.000 Yeah. Yeah.

02:43:59.000 I'm just being technical.

02:44:00.000 Maybe I'm just being, maybe I'm being autistic. 0.96

02:44:02.000 I might be being potentially.

02:44:03.000 Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, right?

02:44:05.000 When we look at IQ, we have five indices.

02:44:07.000 If you're 80, if we say your IQ is 80, that means all five indices are probably within two to four points of 80.

02:44:13.000 Right.

02:44:14.000 That's what that means. 0.98

02:44:15.000 What I'm saying is there are people who are like autistic and can solve a math problem in two seconds, but they're retarded. 1.00

02:44:21.000 There are people who, if you didn't know anything about them and you walked up to them and said, can you solve this puzzle?

02:44:27.000 And they go, you'd go, wow, this person's smart.

02:44:30.000 And then they go, and you're like, okay, they're not.

02:44:32.000 Right.

02:44:32.000 Autistics of sivants.

02:44:32.000 Yeah.

02:44:34.000 Like, that person's not smart.

02:44:35.000 Sure.

02:44:36.000 In fact, we can use IQ tests in part to diagnose things like learning disorders, Savante. 0.99

02:44:40.000 You ever see that video where the woman thinks she's the smartest person in the room and turns out she's the dumbest? 0.98

02:44:44.000 The Jubilee, I think, was a Jubilee. 0.99

02:44:47.000 Okay, we got Dr. Michael Beacon Retard III. 1.00

02:44:50.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 0.99

02:44:51.000 What's up, man? 1.00

02:44:52.000 Welcome to the show.

02:44:55.000 Hello.

02:44:55.000 Hi.

02:44:56.000 Howdy.

02:44:56.000 Thanks.

02:44:57.000 Thanks for having me on.

02:45:00.000 What up? 0.98

02:45:01.000 Let's get retarded, dude. 1.00

02:45:03.000 Top the door sound effects coming in. 0.97

02:45:06.000 Oh, yeah, that's my really old chair.

02:45:11.000 What's happening, man?

02:45:12.000 All right.

02:45:13.000 So, yeah, I just got to ask my question then.

02:45:16.000 So a question for the panel.

02:45:18.000 With the government recovering from years of spending our hard-earned tax dollars on things like making gay maps, do you think that the government should redirect that sort of money toward making pro-America and pro-traditional values entertainment instead?

02:45:32.000 Wait, one more time?

02:45:33.000 What do you mean?

02:45:34.000 Like the government should invest in content?

02:45:37.000 Yeah, like, you know, we've been for years, we've been spending it on things like, you know, gay comic books to Venezuela or whatever.

02:45:44.000 Oh, right, right, right, right.

02:45:46.000 Yeah, I don't know if I'd be a fan of the U.S. domestically funding ideological content like that.

02:45:52.000 Like we have Voice of America, and a lot of people point out that Obama legalized propaganda.

02:45:56.000 People need to understand that is externally outside the United States.

02:46:00.000 We create media organizations to push the American worldview, which then sometimes does recycle back into the United States.

02:46:07.000 I'm not a big fan of it.

02:46:09.000 I mean, I'm certainly not a fan of funding gay comics in Venezuela, you know. 1.00

02:46:13.000 I'm less interested in using the government to do stuff than I used to be.

02:46:18.000 It was a kind of a catch-all.

02:46:19.000 Here's how we can solve it. 0.99

02:46:20.000 We'll just, who the fuck are we, dude? 0.97

02:46:22.000 Like, I don't, you know, make your best stuff because you are the solution. 0.98

02:46:26.000 Okay. 0.99

02:46:28.000 Maybe we should just make being gay completely a crime, you know, like Iran. 1.00

02:46:32.000 Or get even more gay. 0.99

02:46:33.000 Trump can be the American Ayatollah. 0.98

02:46:36.000 I have a little bit of a different view to you guys than that.

02:46:40.000 Shocking.

02:46:41.000 I mean, I don't think the government should be involved in anything, right?

02:46:44.000 But anything.

02:46:46.000 Anything.

02:46:46.000 Staring everything.

02:46:48.000 No, I just, I think the less the government is involved in your life, the better.

02:46:48.000 Everything.

02:46:53.000 But I do think to a degree that there's been such a shift.

02:46:57.000 And certainly in the entertainment industry, like you can't go out and make, for the most part now, a movie or a television show that doesn't have some kind of agenda in it.

02:47:07.000 And I think that what it's done, and I'll look at this from someone who grew up loving America from the outside and the values that America projected around the world, they've been systematic, I think this is what the caller's talking about.

02:47:21.000 They've been systematically like destroyed over the past at least 30 years.

02:47:25.000 So I actually think all of our content always had an agenda.

02:47:28.000 It's just that when our culture was homogeneous, it was just reflecting our values.

02:47:33.000 And what we're seeing now with like, you know, what we would describe as woke content, that's the left reflecting their values and the right saying it doesn't reflect ours.

02:47:42.000 So when they said in Florida that like kids are being indoctrinated and they shouldn't be, you go to any conservative and say, should schools teach people about the greatness of America?

02:47:50.000 They'll say yes.

02:47:51.000 In fact, you go to Christian conservatives, say, should they have the Ten Commandments?

02:47:54.000 They'll say absolutely.

02:47:55.000 The left would call that indoctrination too.

02:47:57.000 The difference is that we have our culture has bifurcated.

02:48:00.000 That's the real issue.

02:48:01.000 I don't know how, like, if you want to say that the government, like we have control of the government, so we can fund programs in some way, either through like grants or like we create a special program where the government grants production companies.

02:48:14.000 The left is going to say that you're making fascist propaganda.

02:48:17.000 And you can argue that they're wrong.

02:48:18.000 It's really just two distinct cultures fighting each other. 0.77

02:48:20.000 I guess we were talking about funding the arts earlier.

02:48:22.000 And you were saying like ballet couldn't even exist without patronage.

02:48:26.000 Yeah, that's part of the issue.

02:48:27.000 I think that we're moving away from things that culturally kind of defined us to a degree, you know?

02:48:37.000 And I think that because there are certain things that are worth, they have intrinsic worth by themselves, right?

02:48:43.000 Because of the art history of it.

02:48:45.000 And I think that we're losing that.

02:48:48.000 We're losing that with ballet.

02:48:50.000 Like, for example, ballet Timothy Shalamay said something recently about ballet.

02:48:54.000 And what happened as a result was a lot of ballerinas and ballet dancers came out and said, listen, we couldn't do this without the patronage of the arts.

02:49:02.000 So I think that, you know, I think that it's not necessarily about putting out content with agenda.

02:49:10.000 It's just, I guess, putting out just something to even things up because everything is so far on one side right now.

02:49:18.000 There's nothing coming from the other side.

02:49:21.000 It's almost like we have to.

02:49:22.000 But that's a failure of the right.

02:49:25.000 100%.

02:49:26.000 I agree.

02:49:28.000 No, but I was going to say, but I hate to say it like this, but we're at the point where it's like, while we've got the reins, can we please try and do some of that?

02:49:37.000 Because I recommend that you watch Star Trek The Next Generation, which everyone agree with me.

02:49:42.000 There's an episode where there's a planet with a dying son.

02:49:45.000 Have you seen it?

02:49:46.000 Have you watched it?

02:49:47.000 No.

02:49:47.000 So something is wrong with you.

02:49:49.000 I'm not a star trackkeeper.

02:49:51.000 You need to be.

02:49:51.000 It's really good.

02:49:52.000 So there's a planet with a dying son.

02:49:54.000 And there's a scientist who's 59 years old.

02:49:56.000 And he believes he has a technique that could reignite their dying son.

02:50:02.000 However, in four days will be his 60th birthday, which is where he will be ritualistically killed.

02:50:08.000 His planet dealt with, as the technology advanced, the aging population was left uncared for, and it devastated their economy, caused a lot of problems. 0.99

02:50:17.000 And so they decided hundreds of years before that at the age of 60, they kill you.

02:50:23.000 And so he tries to save the sun from burning out, fails, and he thinks he's come up with a solution.

02:50:29.000 He needs to keep working.

02:50:30.000 He meets Deanna Troy's mother, and they, like his wife has long been dead.

02:50:35.000 And so they, you know, end up having a crush on each other.

02:50:38.000 And she's like, I can't believe you're going to die.

02:50:40.000 Don't do this.

02:50:41.000 You have everything to live for.

02:50:42.000 You're still alive and healthy.

02:50:43.000 And he explains it's his culture and what they believe.

02:50:46.000 And then she says, you know, she convinces him.

02:50:49.000 He calls the planet and he's like, I'm not going to return to die.

02:50:52.000 I'm going to continue my work.

02:50:53.000 And they say, no, someone else will do the work.

02:50:56.000 So he fails. 0.96

02:50:57.000 And then he decides ultimately he's going to go back and kill himself as per his society.

02:51:03.000 And Luwaksana Troy says to him, then why do you even care to reignite your son? 0.59

02:51:09.000 Because if you believe when it's your time, it's your time, then why not just let it die?

02:51:13.000 And that was kind of what convinced him.

02:51:15.000 Basically, it was an interesting juxtaposition in the show where this civilization should die by their own values.

02:51:23.000 They have aged to the point where they can no longer survive, so why bother trying to survive?

02:51:27.000 That's how they view it.

02:51:28.000 I bring this up because I take a look at what the American right has become.

02:51:33.000 It's fractured and for 70 years has been unwilling to sustain its own moral systems.

02:51:38.000 The left has grown increasingly.

02:51:40.000 They are centralized.

02:51:42.000 They have control of the cultural institutions, or at least they're losing it now.

02:51:46.000 And as you mentioned, the right isn't producing any of these things.

02:51:48.000 White people in Europe and the United States, countries they've colonized, have, and even their home countries, opened the door to foreigners to come in, whether intentionally or otherwise, displacing them.

02:52:00.000 And they're not having kids either. 0.88

02:52:02.000 So I hear these white supremacists and white nationalists saying like, we need a country for white people. 0.82

02:52:06.000 And I'm like, why? 0.99

02:52:06.000 White people have killed themselves. 0.99

02:52:08.000 It is not China. 1.00

02:52:09.000 China's having too many babies, and they're all Chinese. 1.00

02:52:11.000 And they're killing the people who are ethnically opposed to them. 0.99

02:52:14.000 The Koreans and the Japanese are ethno-supremacists. 1.00

02:52:16.000 It is only the countries that are prominently white, save Eastern Europe, that have opened their doors to non-white individuals, to people, to foreigners, and have not been reproducing at adequate levels. 0.73

02:52:26.000 Don't get me wrong, fertility has dropped everywhere. 0.64

02:52:28.000 But the point is, if white people are so great, why are they killing themselves? 0.99

02:52:33.000 And then they say, it's the Jews. 0.99

02:52:35.000 And I'm like, uh-huh. 0.99

02:52:36.000 I think it's that rat utopia experiment.

02:52:38.000 Yeah, I guess just to answer the caller super quickly, the grant, I was looking for the grant.

02:52:42.000 It's a proving comic book series that features LGBTQ, but also the grant was only $32,000, right?

02:52:47.000 And so we can maybe talk about like what $32,000 compared to like, let's be serious.

02:52:53.000 When we're talking about government spending, that doesn't cover almost anything.

02:52:57.000 What about $13 million for gender studies in Pakistan? 0.77

02:53:00.000 The issue is we can look into that data.

02:53:03.000 I'm pretty sure it just wasn't just gender studies.

02:53:06.000 I'm pretty sure it was a large amount of curriculum generally handed out as part of USAID, right? 0.96

02:53:11.000 Stop making other countries gay communists. 0.96

02:53:14.000 So we can be like, oh, we shouldn't put gay stuff in there. 1.00

02:53:17.000 Okay, well, then you're just putting it here.

02:53:19.000 Well, hold on.

02:53:19.000 I agree.

02:53:20.000 Then you're just putting your heteronormative preference into it anyways, because what we're giving them is books with superheroes.

02:53:25.000 So if you want to, sure.

02:53:27.000 I just like, this is, this isn't the meaningful conversation we need to be having about when we're talking about like interventionism is like whether or not there's a gay superhero in one of the comic books for a $32,000 grant.

02:53:40.000 What actually matters here is conversations like going back to what you were talking about of like our morals and principles, right?

02:53:45.000 One of the things we were talking a bit about before of how there's always going to be that one guy who wants $7 billion and there's nothing the system can do about that.

02:53:53.000 And I'd say, that's true.

02:53:54.000 These people will always exist.

02:53:55.000 And yet liberal democracy has found a way to utilize those people and everyone else to bring about the best society we have experienced thus far, right?

02:54:04.000 I prefer that 7 billionaire and all of the problems that he has to now versus the 7 billionaire in feudal times, right?

02:54:13.000 Because I have more controls.

02:54:15.000 He can't just walk into my house and rape me because I let I'm on Rumble, not right.

02:54:20.000 Yeah. 0.77

02:54:20.000 Okay. 0.77

02:54:20.000 I can say that. 0.77

02:54:21.000 I mean, you can see it on YouTube.

02:54:21.000 Sorry.

02:54:22.000 Okay, I wasn't sure.

02:54:23.000 But he can.

02:54:25.000 He really wanted to.

02:54:26.000 He can't.

02:54:26.000 He will go to jail.

02:54:27.000 No, he won't.

02:54:28.000 He will absolutely be charged and tried.

02:54:30.000 And if my husband walked in and shot him in the head, the chances that my husband would walk or get an extremely low sentencing is decently high.

02:54:37.000 There are absolutely things that we can really do.

02:54:40.000 Can I just point out?

02:54:42.000 Can I say one word to prove you wrong?

02:54:44.000 Sure.

02:54:45.000 Epstein.

02:54:47.000 What do you, sorry?

02:54:50.000 The fact that the FBI is covering up for it and the masses of people are pushing against it, but we are starting to see.

02:54:57.000 There's one person from the Epstein client list who has been criminally charged for raping underage girls.

02:55:03.000 I think Prince Andrew's under investigation right now.

02:55:06.000 Not for rape and underage girls, for giving state secrets.

02:55:07.000 Name one individual for rape, specifically what you mentioned.

02:55:10.000 Sure, I agree.

02:55:11.000 Because the wealthy, powerful, connected individuals.

02:55:13.000 Stop.

02:55:13.000 No, no, no.

02:55:14.000 You're doing the communist thing.

02:55:14.000 You're doing a communist.

02:55:16.000 Here's the communist.

02:55:17.000 This is what communists will do.

02:55:18.000 They'll say, look at this problem in capitalism.

02:55:21.000 This is what I'm saying.

02:55:22.000 I'm not talking about the problem of capitalism.

02:55:24.000 Yes, you are.

02:55:24.000 I am talking about it.

02:55:25.000 You're talking about the billionaires buying off government entities so that they can't do it.

02:55:28.000 The communists say that they're the same exact problem.

02:55:30.000 Powerful elites don't get help.

02:55:31.000 And yet the living conditions of a person in a liberal democracy is obviously better than somebody in a USSR society. 0.74

02:55:37.000 Specifically was that a rich person couldn't rape you and get away with it. 1.00

02:55:39.000 Of course they can.

02:55:41.000 The word can, I mean, it can happen, but there are repercussions in this civilization as opposed to 500 years ago is the point.

02:55:47.000 A smart person could walk in your house in the middle of the morning.

02:55:50.000 We are comparing the feudal system to now.

02:55:52.000 I agree that there are problems with the Epstein files, right? 1.00

02:55:54.000 Harvey Weinstein has gone to jail for raping girls and doing all sorts of Me Too shit. 0.99

02:55:59.000 Larry, what's the gym? 1.00

02:56:01.000 The gym guy who'd work with gymnasts and he was like fingering them all the time.

02:56:01.000 Silver.

02:56:04.000 Underage girls. 0.98

02:56:05.000 Oh, Nasser?

02:56:07.000 Larry Nasser's in jail, right?

02:56:09.000 I agree.

02:56:09.000 And I agree.

02:56:10.000 I'm all with you on the Epstein stuff that there are problems.

02:56:13.000 I'm just going to say, I'll just finish this. 0.99

02:56:15.000 In the feudal system, you can get raped by Epstein and Larry Nasser and all of these losers, and he can rape your wife, and he can rape your kids, and there's nothing you can do about it. 1.00

02:56:24.000 And if you try to, you get killed by the state. 0.99

02:56:27.000 At least in this state, there are things we can do.

02:56:29.000 I keep flying.

02:56:29.000 I'm so sorry.

02:56:30.000 The point is, you can ban it.

02:56:33.000 They can do it if they want.

02:56:36.000 Again, so while I agree we need more liberalism, we need more balances of power.

02:56:41.000 This isn't to say that the system is so broken we should just give up on it.

02:56:44.000 The answer is What are you actually advocating for then?

02:56:50.000 Nothing. 0.96

02:56:51.000 You said that if someone tried to rape you, they wouldn't get away with it. 0.99

02:56:55.000 I said, yes, they would. 0.96

02:56:57.000 Well, I'm pushing back on what seems like this nihilistic system of giving up on any advancement.

02:57:02.000 I'm saying there are things we can do.

02:57:03.000 I'm just simply saying the point that you made about powerful people can't just rape you and get away with it.

02:57:08.000 I'm like, yes, they can.

02:57:10.000 So what do we do about it?

02:57:12.000 We pass laws and we create it.

02:57:15.000 I'll put it simply.

02:57:16.000 You do what you can and you will never stop the motivated, intelligent psychopath.

02:57:23.000 No, but that doesn't mean we stop trying. 0.95

02:57:25.000 My point is, if Elon Musk wanted to rape you, there are things he could easily do to make that happen, and there is nothing you can stop. 0.99

02:57:34.000 You say that, but even Epstein didn't want to fuck with that guy. 0.99

02:57:36.000 So maybe not Elon Musk. 0.99

02:57:37.000 He might be a little too weird.

02:57:38.000 He might be a little too weird to get away with it, right?

02:57:40.000 There are 300,000 children go missing every year or some insane number.

02:57:46.000 Do you know about the rape safaris?

02:57:49.000 Is that the, wasn't that funded by like some Italian group?

02:57:52.000 No, no, no.

02:57:52.000 On Native American reservations, there's a black market where wealthy individuals will hire these security guys.

02:57:59.000 I say security, but they're like trained dudes.

02:58:02.000 And they'll ride into a reservation until they find a young girl, capture her, the wealthy person will rape her, and then they'll dump her out of the car and leave.

02:58:09.000 Sure, but in the case of the Epstein files, who Epstein's dead. 0.99

02:58:14.000 He raped little girls and he's dead now. 1.00

02:58:16.000 Somebody killed him. 1.00

02:58:17.000 Probably. 0.96

02:58:18.000 Thank God.

02:58:19.000 I hope they did.

02:58:20.000 So name one of his clients who he facilitated child trafficking to who has been convicted, who has gone to jail.

02:58:27.000 I didn't say that I have any. 0.53

02:58:28.000 Wealthy individuals created a machine by which they could rape underage girls and get away. 0.96

02:58:32.000 That's my position is that a wealthy person could not rape you and get away with it. 0.81

02:58:37.000 That's not my position.

02:58:38.000 You literally said that.

02:58:39.000 Okay, what I'm outlining to you.

02:58:41.000 I'll restate my position.

02:58:42.000 And then I said, Epstein.

02:58:43.000 What I'm outlining to you is that the way that you talk about the system is that there are always going to be pariahs that abuse you in it, which I agree that there will be pariahs.

02:58:51.000 Yeah, sure.

02:58:52.000 Is that the right word?

02:58:53.000 Like antisocial people?

02:58:55.000 Does that work?

02:58:56.000 Like a social pariah.

02:58:58.000 Well, sure.

02:58:59.000 Whatever word we want to use here, right?

02:58:59.000 Okay.

02:59:01.000 There are always going to be individuals that are abusing the system, that are taking advantage of it and are harming smaller little people underneath them.

02:59:08.000 Agreed?

02:59:10.000 Say it one more time.

02:59:11.000 There are always going to be people with lots of power who are trying to harm smaller people underneath them.

02:59:17.000 No.

02:59:18.000 There will.

02:59:19.000 Okay.

02:59:20.000 Well, because I would say there will always be a circumstance where powerful people are causing harm to other people.

02:59:30.000 So how is that meaningful?

02:59:30.000 Okay.

02:59:33.000 What do you mean?

02:59:34.000 So do you think like people mining for sulfur and having their teeth run out of their face is harmful to them?

02:59:41.000 Okay.

02:59:42.000 Sorry.

02:59:43.000 I'm going to ask you a question.

02:59:44.000 Okay.

02:59:44.000 Sorry.

02:59:45.000 Human beings mine sulfur. 0.98

02:59:46.000 Yep.

02:59:47.000 It's usually done by third world impoverished people for pennies a day or something.

02:59:50.000 Yeah.

02:59:51.000 The fumes cause their teeth to fall out of their mouths.

02:59:53.000 They stuff rags in their mouths to try and breathe through the fumes.

02:59:56.000 Is that harmful to them?

02:59:58.000 Yes.

02:59:58.000 Wealthy individuals running these companies aren't intentionally trying to harm them, but they will be harmed because someone has to mine the sulfur.

03:00:04.000 Okay, so the only differentiation you're making from mine is that you think that I'm implying that there's bad people who want to do harm?

03:00:11.000 I am clarifying the difference between a statement that implies that there will always be wealthy people intentionally trying to harm people versus a clarification.

03:00:21.000 Sure.

03:00:21.000 Yeah, and I'll grant the clarification.

03:00:24.000 We should get more callers in, though.

03:00:25.000 So make you want to finish your question.

03:00:26.000 Sure.

03:00:26.000 The issue is that it's really important that we don't get lost in what I'm talking about here.

03:00:30.000 What I'm saying is that we need to be cautious to point out problems in the system and not be so quick as to abandon the system entirely.

03:00:39.000 And I'm not saying that you are advocating necessarily.

03:00:41.000 I'm not quite sure what you believe in and what we should do about it.

03:00:46.000 Think we should do the same thing, which is pass laws and try to make society better.

03:00:50.000 I agree that Epstein and people are getting away with it, and that's bad.

03:00:54.000 But if we went 300 years ago, they would have never even been brought into court.

03:00:59.000 Dr. Michael Beacon, do you want to add anything or shout anything out before we go to the next caller?

03:01:02.000 Maybe it's a shout-out because, man, are we going long?

03:01:05.000 I forgot about the family.

03:01:05.000 Sorry.

03:01:06.000 I'll make the shout-out real quick.

03:01:08.000 So I want to shout out my comic, Seven Legions.

03:01:12.000 It's a sci-fi fantasy historical fiction space opera about Hiko, an orphan born in Sengoku era, Japan, adopted by a low-ranking samurai family, whose dreams are actually the memories of the life of Azrakow, an angel who served one of the greatest soldiers of the Seven Legions until he uncovered a plot to destroy them from within and vanished.

03:01:31.000 Now Hiko finds himself drawn to a galactic conflict while his own clan has gotten a war of its own.

03:01:37.000 And hey, there's even a dwarf on a jetpack.

03:01:39.000 And you can get issues one through three at inkslayerentertainment.com.

03:01:42.000 Also, the Jews don't need to buy this book.

03:01:45.000 Well, all right.

03:01:46.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

03:01:47.000 The Jews, the Jews. 0.98

03:01:50.000 Before we jump to the next caller, I'll just my point is that all of the laws that we make are only for those who are not smart enough to get past them.

03:01:59.000 But we got the caller, so I don't know if you want to just. 0.97

03:02:01.000 Oh, the gay communist stuff. 1.00

03:02:03.000 People think that the USAID was trying to make more gay communists by funding that stuff. 0.95

03:02:07.000 What they were doing was they looked for uninitiated voters. 0.53

03:02:09.000 They found that in this country they happen to be gay, or in this country, they happen to be attending communists. 0.59

03:02:13.000 So we'll fund those people to get them to vote the way we're trying to get them to vote in that country.

03:02:18.000 Major Elric, what's up?

03:02:22.000 Yo, how's it going, everybody?

03:02:23.000 What's up, dude? 0.96

03:02:24.000 It's fucking riveting, dude. 0.91

03:02:25.000 I'm like, just well, my goal here is to help us lift up from the doomcast IRL, maybe like point our minds towards something more positive. 0.97

03:02:38.000 So let's assume that a genie snapped his fingers and the Republican coalition began suddenly to walk in lockstep and be competent like the Democrats.

03:02:49.000 How could Trump and MAGA walk the tightrope to win the midterms?

03:02:53.000 They would win the midterms.

03:02:54.000 What do you mean?

03:02:56.000 No, like what would they need to do?

03:02:57.000 Nothing.

03:02:58.000 If the coalition was completely unified in lockstep, they'd have the plurality of the vote.

03:03:03.000 Are you asking if Trump could do something to get everybody to walk in lockstep, what would that thing be?

03:03:10.000 Yeah, I guess like kind of game plan how it would be possible for the Republicans to win the midterms.

03:03:20.000 I don't see that as possible.

03:03:23.000 There's a viral tweet I just saw where apparently the insinuation, Joe Kent heavily implied that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.

03:03:34.000 And at this point, it's just like there's no Republican Party anymore.

03:03:41.000 The Republican Party has become mass formation, psychosis, and neocon.

03:03:47.000 If you're asking like, what could he do that would be like righteous, that wouldn't be deceptive, I'm having a hard time.

03:03:53.000 Because it's like you could get people to put graphene in the roads, but like what between now and then get the world excited about that?

03:04:00.000 I don't know if that's if we could do that fast enough.

03:04:02.000 Deceit-wise, you could have him stage a false flag with AI and have half the world terrified and bend to his will.

03:04:08.000 But like, I'm not buying that.

03:04:14.000 Public works.

03:04:14.000 We need a public works program that people can get behind economically that's detached from the man.

03:04:23.000 I probably don't have a satisfying answer for you because I obviously am not a conservative.

03:04:26.000 So I don't know if you want an answer for me anyways. 0.96

03:04:29.000 I don't like Trump and I think he sucks and I think he abandoned all conservative values. 0.99

03:04:32.000 I think the coalition is a spite-driven feel because the left was nasty and awful. 1.00

03:04:37.000 And you guys gave up the game the moment you put a hypocrite war hawk who has stolen billions of dollars from the populace into power, I guess. 0.97

03:04:46.000 So I guess don't do any of those things and then maybe you'd be in a better position. 0.95

03:04:50.000 Do you think Kamala Airs is better?

03:04:51.000 No.

03:04:52.000 I mean, that's what you guys wanted.

03:04:53.000 She was just such a weak candidate, but her policies would have been, well, her policies obviously would have been better. 0.99

03:04:58.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

03:04:58.000 Yes. 0.87

03:04:59.000 They just would have been.

03:05:00.000 She wouldn't have tariffs.

03:05:03.000 Do you see any like social media?

03:05:04.000 Do you know about how she did that? 0.98

03:05:06.000 She's a prosecutor, so she's enslaving black people. 1.00

03:05:08.000 No, she kept innocent people in jail longer than their term to make them fight wildfires. 1.00

03:05:14.000 No, we're not going to get into this right now.

03:05:17.000 Hold on.

03:05:17.000 You want to make a bet?

03:05:18.000 I don't want to make a bet with you.

03:05:21.000 Because I don't know anything about the story, but my immediate sniff check.

03:05:24.000 I'm not making a bet on this.

03:05:25.000 This is wrong.

03:05:26.000 No, I'm not.

03:05:26.000 This is like extremely well known.

03:05:29.000 I want to look it up.

03:05:30.000 It was very famous in 2020 when Tulsi Gabbard said on the stage that she kept prison inmates in prison beyond their term to have them fight wildfires for a dollar an hour.

03:05:39.000 Okay.

03:05:40.000 There was also an innocent guy on death row that she refused to give a hearing to because they had evidence that he was innocent.

03:05:45.000 She kept him in as well.

03:05:46.000 Sorry.

03:05:47.000 Trump, before he got elected, said that torture was on the table.

03:05:50.000 Trump said that he was going to nuke and destroy North Korea and Syria with fiery hell, which was crazy for all of you anti-war people who voted for him, right?

03:06:02.000 He was been hawkish from the beginning, despite the fact that he lied to all of you and insisted he didn't.

03:06:06.000 He insisted that he was going to do tariffs.

03:06:08.000 And most people who voted for Trump said, he won't do tariffs.

03:06:11.000 What did he do?

03:06:12.000 He did tariffs.

03:06:13.000 And what has it done?

03:06:14.000 And what has it done for our democracy?

03:06:16.000 It has been terrible for owner business and manufacturing.

03:06:16.000 Amazing.

03:06:20.000 I'll tell you this.

03:06:21.000 I think the social issue.

03:06:22.000 They will tell you.

03:06:23.000 I got two.

03:06:24.000 And I got to tell you, it has been a godsend.

03:06:26.000 Do you only hire local?

03:06:28.000 We only do American.

03:06:29.000 We only work with American shops.

03:06:31.000 Sure. 1.00

03:06:32.000 And so we have to compete with cheap Chinese trash. 1.00

03:06:34.000 Trump with the tariffs in place. 0.98

03:06:36.000 Our products stay the exact same.

03:06:38.000 And it has improved for us.

03:06:40.000 And you know what he did?

03:06:41.000 He used those tariffs to trade off for personal favors from Vietnam, from Saudi Arabia, and he loaded his pockets and raked in Kohl's while all of the manufacturers that didn't own local and couldn't do what you did and can't pivot quickly just passed on the cost to the consumer, which is why you should care about the common man.

03:06:57.000 The common man.

03:06:58.000 It's not the common man.

03:06:59.000 The common man, me, and most middle-class people suffer under tariffs.

03:07:04.000 That is just a fact.

03:07:06.000 The only people who benefit from it are Trump, his family, and a couple of local businesses.

03:07:11.000 The suffering is the point.

03:07:13.000 Is the point?

03:07:13.000 Yes.

03:07:14.000 What's the point of suffering?

03:07:15.000 To force American industry to hire American. 0.91

03:07:18.000 The issue is they didn't.

03:07:20.000 They just passed those costs.

03:07:23.000 How long?

03:07:24.000 When Trump told the auto manufacturers they were going to slap a 30% tariff on them and they moved their factories back to Michigan and Ohio, then Biden got in and cut that deal.

03:07:34.000 So the factories moved back to Indonesia and Mexico.

03:07:37.000 Four years they moved back.

03:07:38.000 Yes.

03:07:38.000 It was an investment, so they didn't actually set it up.

03:07:41.000 Trump secured a $3.2 billion investment into Michigan.

03:07:45.000 And then, yes, these things take longer than four years.

03:07:47.000 Actually, I think it was 2019.

03:07:48.000 So within two years, they canceled the investment.

03:07:51.000 Yeah.

03:07:51.000 Indeed.

03:07:52.000 And why is it the case that people always move out?

03:07:53.000 So for example, you're right.

03:07:55.000 You're right. 1.00

03:07:56.000 Fuck it. 1.00

03:07:57.000 Give me some Chinese fucking slaves. 1.00

03:07:58.000 I don't give a shit. 1.00

03:07:59.000 I want, no, I want a Chinese slave working for 25 cents an hour to make my products. 1.00

03:08:02.000 I do agree.

03:08:03.000 I don't want to trade.

03:08:05.000 What's better?

03:08:05.000 No, you're okay.

03:08:06.000 Trading tariffs so my crypto son can make money from Saudi Arabia investing in my crypto.

03:08:11.000 That is exactly what he did.

03:08:13.000 He used these types of tariffs specifically.

03:08:15.000 Answer what I said.

03:08:16.000 Is it better that you have to-is it better that you have a president who levies tariffs, global tariffs, to get personal favors from autocrats and from dictators around the world?

03:08:26.000 Is that better?

03:08:28.000 I'm waiting for you to respond to what I said because I don't know what you're talking about.

03:08:31.000 You don't know what I'm talking about.

03:08:32.000 You don't know what I'm saying. 0.97

03:08:33.000 I don't want Chinese slaves. 1.00

03:08:34.000 I don't. 0.98

03:08:36.000 Okay.

03:08:36.000 Can I have Chinese slaves?

03:08:38.000 I suppose in your utopia world.

03:08:40.000 It's not worth it. 0.99

03:08:41.000 I need to manufacture a product and Americans charge fucking 20 bucks an hour. 0.99

03:08:44.000 I can get a Chinese person to do it for a quarter. 0.99

03:08:46.000 Is that okay?

03:08:47.000 Yes.

03:08:47.000 No health care either.

03:08:48.000 And they commit ritual suicide off the top of their buildings.

03:08:51.000 No, that's Japan.

03:08:52.000 No, that's Foxconn in China.

03:08:54.000 Foxconn in China, where they walked off the buildings in mass suicide because they're crammed into tiny boxes, 16th person a room.

03:09:01.000 You're right.

03:09:01.000 And they make sure that they should actually sign trade greedies like TPP, which Trump pulled out of, by the way, which made Vietnam have to establish certain rigorous standards of treating their workers so that we can keep working with Vietnam, keep lifting them out of poverty, which is what globalized capitalism does, and then also insist on Sir Wood Morgan statures.

03:09:18.000 But actually, we should get rid of that so that now Vietnam is only reliant on China.

03:09:22.000 That will never establish any worker standards.

03:09:24.000 The problem with the Trans-Pacific Margaret Straits.

03:09:26.000 The problem with the TPP was bad thinking.

03:09:28.000 This is such bad thing.

03:09:29.000 The problem with the TPP was the investor-state dispute settlement, which allowed the corporations to sue the U.S. government for discrimination if we chose not to buy their oil.

03:09:38.000 And then we taxpayers would have to pay Vietnamese corporations back. 0.69

03:09:42.000 It really corporate that's not the same.

03:09:44.000 I'm not throwing the way that corporations are scaling.

03:09:46.000 Major Elric, do you want to add anything?

03:09:48.000 It was part of the globalization and technocratic.

03:09:50.000 It was mass BDS.

03:09:51.000 They wanted to give the corporations governance power.

03:09:53.000 That was what TPP was doing.

03:09:55.000 It was also establishing trade unions.

03:09:57.000 It was also establishing worker things.

03:09:59.000 Vietnam factories could not work with us on TPP if they did.

03:10:04.000 I don't know what BDS is.

03:10:05.000 The boycott, divest, and sanction.

03:10:09.000 It depends on what we're talking about as a form of soft power.

03:10:12.000 Do you know about the anti-BDS laws they have in like 38 states?

03:10:15.000 No.

03:10:16.000 These are that government contractors can't refuse to do work with Israel.

03:10:20.000 Okay.

03:10:20.000 TPP was that, but for a bunch of other countries, it would restrict you from rejecting.

03:10:26.000 This is what he's talking about: the investor settlement state dispute.

03:10:28.000 Investor-state dispute.

03:10:29.000 Yeah, settlement clause.

03:10:31.000 It would allow corporations to sue our government forced taxpayers to pay for it if we were refusing to contract with these foreign countries.

03:10:36.000 Sure, yeah, that was a bad part of TPP.

03:10:37.000 And what should have happened, rather than Trump pulling out of TPP, is he should have just amended it, which you can do as actually as a brilliant business negotiator.

03:10:45.000 You think that he could manage that negotiation?

03:10:47.000 Major Alrick, do you want to shout anything out?

03:10:50.000 Yeah, I'm just proud to announce that I'm going to be getting confirmed and baptized on the Easter Vigil this year.

03:10:59.000 The shout out is for because the culture is doing good.

03:11:03.000 At my particular cathedral, we're seeing 100 people joining the church this year, which is great to see.

03:11:10.000 God is good, and God bless everybody.

03:11:12.000 Ronan, thanks for calling in, brother.

03:11:13.000 Thank you.

03:11:15.000 God, dude.

03:11:16.000 All right.

03:11:16.000 Next up, we have the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

03:11:20.000 Wait, you never answered my question on tariffs.

03:11:22.000 Do you think it's good that Trump is trading tariff favors for personal favors for his family?

03:11:26.000 Okay, great.

03:11:26.000 No.

03:11:27.000 But I don't care about the personal beef with Trump.

03:11:30.000 I'm concerned about this isn't a personal beef with Trump.

03:11:32.000 This is a president levying his position of power in American tax dollars to get personal favors.

03:11:37.000 I don't care.

03:11:37.000 That's bad.

03:11:38.000 I literally don't care with Ukraine. 0.95

03:11:40.000 Joe Biden did a bunch of bad things.

03:11:41.000 Trump did a bunch of bad things.

03:11:42.000 They both be criticized.

03:11:43.000 These are not the same.

03:11:45.000 They shall both be criticized for enriching themselves.

03:11:47.000 The level of enrichment comparison between these people are not the same.

03:11:50.000 It's not even beginning to be able to.

03:11:52.000 I already said yes.

03:11:53.000 You should be criticized for it.

03:11:54.000 End of story.

03:11:56.000 How do you get the president to argue for the sake of arguing?

03:12:00.000 Well, what you're doing is yes, but it's basically you said yes, but Joe Biden's basically the same.

03:12:05.000 No, I said I said Biden.

03:12:07.000 I didn't want to conflate it.

03:12:08.000 U.S. government.

03:12:08.000 Did you not bring up Biden?

03:12:09.000 I did.

03:12:09.000 He did just then.

03:12:10.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

03:12:11.000 I didn't know.

03:12:11.000 And then I said Biden, Trump, whatever.

03:12:13.000 They should all be criticized when they do bad things.

03:12:15.000 All right.

03:12:16.000 Anyway, so the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

03:12:18.000 What up?

03:12:19.000 Ladies, ladies, you're all pretty. 1.00

03:12:21.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

03:12:21.000 Thank you. 1.00

03:12:22.000 Okay, I agree.

03:12:24.000 Okay, so this is misledin, but everyone else can put in your input. 0.99

03:12:29.000 I don't give a shit. 0.95

03:12:30.000 So with graphene, what seems to be 10 years away from mass production, just like fear, what makes you think that we'll actually see the properties of this so-called wonder material? 0.98

03:12:38.000 Because if we start looking back into the past, because history always rhymes, it does not repeat.

03:12:44.000 This exact same thing happened with PTFE, or as we know it off as Teflon.

03:12:48.000 It took roughly, though, 16 years from it to be discovered in 1938 for it to be publicly available on store shelves in 1954.

03:12:58.000 So with graphene first being isolated in 86, it's going on now 40 years without seeing any major publicly available products.

03:13:07.000 So does it actually have the claims?

03:13:10.000 Because if it did, why aren't they investing into it?

03:13:14.000 Well, they are investing into it.

03:13:16.000 I'm sorry, I got to interrupt.

03:13:18.000 I have like seven graphene batteries.

03:13:21.000 Oh, graphene's great.

03:13:23.000 They figured out, so the internet's a big part of why it's accelerating and becoming mass adopted.

03:13:27.000 They didn't have that back in the day.

03:13:28.000 So it's easier to quash new things, but they figured out how to produce bulk graphene.

03:13:33.000 It's different than you said 10 years away to make these sheets of it, these perfect sheets of it.

03:13:38.000 That's going to be a challenge.

03:13:39.000 That's when we're going to get microelectronics out of the stuff.

03:13:40.000 But the bulk graphene is how you make like roads and buildings with it.

03:13:45.000 You mix it into asphalt and make it two and a half times stronger, last longer.

03:13:48.000 And you mix it into with steel.

03:13:51.000 You can mix it with bitumen in the roads.

03:13:55.000 Did I say concrete?

03:13:56.000 You mix it with the concrete in the buildings to make it lighter and stronger.

03:14:00.000 So that's going to be the mass adoption round one. 0.64

03:14:03.000 And then when we start building with fucking rocket ships that are like touchscreen computers that can handle 10,000 degree temperatures, but that's going to be after. 0.77

03:14:13.000 Everyone already know what it is at that point. 0.60

03:14:15.000 Then why hasn't the likes of General Dynamic 3M Dow Chemical DuPont or Honeywell decided to dump billions of billions of dollars into the development of it to actually make it viable in mass production?

03:14:27.000 It might be that they're using shell companies to invest so you don't see them investing because that would make investors think that they're going to jump ship or change their business model.

03:14:34.000 But it's very likely that they are.

03:14:37.000 But it would help them in their financial gain because if they're able to add it into materials like you're saying, you're going to end up being able to make more money because you're able to take your waste products, burn it down to carbon or extract it from the air and put it back into your material at a cheaper cost.

03:14:54.000 Yeah, that's true.

03:14:55.000 But if they scare off their investors, then they might lose money in the aggregate.

03:15:01.000 Why would they scare off the investors by making more profit? 0.96

03:15:04.000 If they pivot away from steel, for instance, and go into carbon, like just graphene, the steel manufacturers might be like, oh, shit, this sends ripples through. 0.98

03:15:12.000 I don't know. 0.94

03:15:12.000 It's just a proportion. 0.94

03:15:13.000 I don't know if, I don't know.

03:15:15.000 I haven't looked into like Dow's investment strategy and how deep they are in the graphene game right now. 0.76

03:15:21.000 Well, that'd be something to think about if you talk about it all the time, because that way you actually can realize, oh, shit, is it actually viable or is it just empty claims?

03:15:32.000 No, it's definitely viable, but the copper industry's got resistance. 0.85

03:15:36.000 That funny thing to say, copper, because they have copper wires, you know, so there's resistance in wires.

03:15:40.000 That's why it was a funny joke for me.

03:15:42.000 And the carbon wiring industry is going to offset the copper industry.

03:15:45.000 So copper industry has shut up about it.

03:15:48.000 The steel industry is shut up about it because they don't want to lose their building monopoly.

03:15:55.000 But that's, I think, the reasoning is people are terrified about the paradigm shift, but the pressure is built so hard.

03:16:00.000 I mean, it's spurging through the dam right now.

03:16:03.000 Graphene investments are up like five times over the last year.

03:16:10.000 Well, it'd be nice to actually see the product come to fruition and not just be talked about.

03:16:14.000 And you've got to make it.

03:16:16.000 We've got to make it a little bit more.

03:16:17.000 Okay, we just go get a thing of graphite right quick.

03:16:20.000 That's what I'm talking about, dude. 0.98

03:16:22.000 Get a clay pot, get a bunch of coke, put it in there with a couple of fucking electrodes and just turn it into graphene, dude. 0.97

03:16:27.000 Make sure it's ventilated, though. 0.99

03:16:30.000 I like coughing the fumes.

03:16:31.000 No.

03:16:33.000 You know, when you burn stuff, you're breathing in graphene in the smoke.

03:16:36.000 There's little bits of it up there frozen around.

03:16:39.000 Do you want to shine anything out, brother?

03:16:41.000 The Timcast Discord because people got pissy at me last time.

03:16:46.000 That's about it.

03:16:47.000 We're all right on, man.

03:16:48.000 Thanks for calling in.

03:16:48.000 For juicing that brand, dude.

03:16:51.000 All right.

03:16:52.000 Next up, we've got Fromfett.

03:16:55.000 What's going on, brother?

03:16:56.000 What's up, dude?

03:16:57.000 Hey, so longtime caller, first-time listener.

03:17:00.000 I know it's been a little controversial tonight, so I want to ask something really easy.

03:17:05.000 So there's been a lot of talk about women's sexual liberation and how it's devalued women because it makes all of the desperate men no longer have to work hard to see boobs anymore, which I hear is a very important part.

03:17:20.000 See boobs, do thing. 1.00

03:17:22.000 That's why men work. 1.00

03:17:24.000 So I personally postulate that women's sexuality is a lot like a sandwich. 1.00

03:17:28.000 I would be pretty mad if 15 men fucked my sandwich before I ate it. 1.00

03:17:33.000 But I would be a lot less mad if I was the one that fucked my sandwich before I ate it. 0.99

03:17:40.000 And maybe I would ignore that extra mayo. 0.99

03:17:43.000 What?

03:17:43.000 You mean you'd eat your own calm?

03:17:45.000 Is that what you're telling me?

03:17:46.000 Is that why you called?

03:17:48.000 Is that why you called?

03:17:49.000 I'm just saying I don't want extra mayo on my sandwich.

03:17:53.000 His own mayo. 1.00

03:17:54.000 Maybe 15 people fuck his sandwich is the problem. 1.00

03:17:58.000 What about other people's saliva on your sandwich? 1.00

03:18:02.000 I mean, is it a big titty goth girl? 0.64

03:18:05.000 Because if she sticks on that, yeah, I'd be like DNA and me or whatever. 0.70

03:18:09.000 You definitely have to sound the voice of a man who attracts a big titty goth girl for sure. 0.99

03:18:13.000 When you go on OnlyFans and you are DMing that girl for like $5 per message, you are talking to a guy.

03:18:20.000 It is a guy who's like, I'm going to stroke you.

03:18:20.000 Capric.

03:18:23.000 And the other guy's going like, yeah.

03:18:25.000 I get paid for that.

03:18:26.000 Yes, that's why I'm posting my feet on OnlyFans.

03:18:31.000 People pay me.

03:18:31.000 How's it going?

03:18:32.000 How do you think I afford this?

03:18:34.000 Tim, I'm here because I have pretty feet.

03:18:38.000 So do you have another question? 0.97

03:18:40.000 Because I actually want to know more about the cum in the. 0.98

03:18:44.000 I'm glad you went like that. 0.99

03:18:45.000 Is the mayo that you're talking about your cum or is that? 0.97

03:18:50.000 I mean, I don't want extra mayo on my sandwich. 0.97

03:18:54.000 That's my point.

03:18:55.000 If you had way too much mayo, wouldn't you question why your sandwich had that much mayo on it in the first place?

03:19:03.000 Yeah, I went to McDonald's once and I ordered a double cheeseburger and I opened up.

03:19:06.000 There was mayonnaise on top of the bun.

03:19:08.000 But if I got a sandwich and there was a bunch of mayo, I just scraped the mayo off if I wanted the sandwich.

03:19:11.000 And that's a true story.

03:19:13.000 I opened it up and the top of the bun had mayonnaise on it.

03:19:15.000 That's weird.

03:19:15.000 I think what happened is when they had the wrapper, they accidentally scored a mayonnaise and when they folded it, it just splattered on it.

03:19:20.000 But I'm like, I'm not eating this.

03:19:21.000 You didn't just scrape it off.

03:19:22.000 What?

03:19:23.000 You can't.

03:19:25.000 And their mayonnaise is fine.

03:19:26.000 Sounds like Tim got a McGangbang.

03:19:30.000 Yeah, that's how I felt.

03:19:31.000 And I demanded my money back.

03:19:33.000 Do you think that men just have to accept there's going to be mayonnaise all over their sandwiches from now on?

03:19:37.000 Like, that's the world we live in?

03:19:40.000 I mean, I think the entire point is that.

03:19:43.000 What do you call it?

03:19:44.000 Women's sexual liberation. 0.96

03:19:46.000 That entire movement has been, oh, just ignore the extra mayonnaise.

03:19:51.000 Close it off the bun.

03:19:51.000 Scrape it off.

03:19:53.000 It doesn't matter.

03:19:54.000 I see where you're going with this.

03:19:55.000 It doesn't matter to like body count.

03:19:58.000 20% of the guys bang 8% of the women. 0.84

03:20:01.000 I know that's like a hyperbolic estimate, but a small percent of guys have sex with most women. 0.99

03:20:06.000 Well, a small percentage of men have a small percentage of sex with women, and they all have sex with each other. 0.93

03:20:11.000 So the mayonnaise can't be scraped off.

03:20:13.000 Well, the mayonnaise is a social construct, really.

03:20:16.000 It depends on whether or not you care about mayonnaise and that makes the mayonnaise exist or not.

03:20:19.000 It's easily recognized.

03:20:22.000 Women have a higher body count than men at a certain level of attractiveness, and then it inverts. 0.99

03:20:29.000 So, at the higher end of male attractiveness, they're banging a bunch of women.

03:20:33.000 So, like, women have a general lower body count than the most attractive guys, but they have a slightly higher body count than the average guy because this is just evolutionary biology and psychology.

03:20:43.000 Attractive guys get more women than unattractive guys.

03:20:46.000 And highly charismatic men get more women.

03:20:48.000 What's it like, Ian? 0.99

03:20:51.000 It's been fucking terrifying. 1.00

03:20:52.000 I started having sex with ugly girls on purpose because I was like, they need love too. 1.00

03:20:56.000 And then I realized I was ignoring the hot chicks. 0.99

03:20:58.000 And I'm like, now I'm missing out on the hottest girls.

03:21:00.000 Well, you got to spread the gene pool.

03:21:03.000 You know, no, he's doing a service.

03:21:06.000 You know what?

03:21:07.000 Having children?

03:21:08.000 No, because they say.

03:21:09.000 Are you having children with these women? 1.00

03:21:10.000 No, they say, you want to reproduce?

03:21:12.000 So I'm like, well, what if I make videos?

03:21:13.000 That's a form of reproduction. 0.87

03:21:15.000 I'm kind of reproducing myself for the world to change their genome based on my essence, you know?

03:21:20.000 It's a little different than having a business.

03:21:21.000 So make a cast of it, you know, make a cast of your head and put it in the fridge with some water in it.

03:21:27.000 Reproduction is a social construct when you think about it.

03:21:29.000 Right.

03:21:30.000 I mean, it sounds like Ian is making only graphene available now, and you get what's burned and left over.

03:21:39.000 Dude, I think you're huffing the graphene fumes, caller.

03:21:43.000 I think we've discovered this. 1.00

03:21:44.000 AI porn's the most disturbing shit, and I haven't touched my feet into it yet. 0.99

03:21:48.000 Have you guys watched it at all? 0.99

03:21:50.000 No.

03:21:51.000 I see it on you porn and all the porn sites, and it's like, I won't click on it.

03:21:55.000 For all I know, I've seen porn that was AI and I didn't know it. 0.98

03:21:58.000 It's fucking so disturbing to think that there's a, you get off to robots, dude, and that there's no more human interaction. 0.99

03:22:04.000 Because at least there's a fantasy of a woman with porn. 1.00

03:22:07.000 You could still make a fantasy of AI women. 0.99

03:22:09.000 A robot?

03:22:10.000 I mean, she's no more real than the real thing is he's getting a lot of money.

03:22:14.000 The model's never going to be around you, right?

03:22:16.000 I don't know.

03:22:17.000 I don't care about porn at all.

03:22:20.000 I don't know.

03:22:21.000 I don't know.

03:22:23.000 Was that your question?

03:22:25.000 I don't know where we're going.

03:22:26.000 He wanted to know how much mayo is on your sandwich and why.

03:22:29.000 I don't have a lot.

03:22:30.000 But I haven't been eating mayo lately.

03:22:32.000 What's that?

03:22:34.000 What I'm learning is that Ian made the McGangbang all by himself, apparently.

03:22:41.000 So he'll eat the sandwich.

03:22:43.000 All right.

03:22:44.000 What do you think, Kyla?

03:22:45.000 Women's rights is a good thing or what? 1.00

03:22:47.000 Is this kind of what we're talking about?

03:22:49.000 Yeah, you know, me as a hater of women's rights. 1.00

03:22:51.000 Because without it, you wouldn't be here to talk about the problems of it.

03:22:55.000 Can you imagine?

03:22:55.000 Man.

03:22:57.000 Feminist-based.

03:22:58.000 But don't you need to liberate women so that they can appear to talk about the problems with the liberation to make it a better liberation? 1.00

03:23:04.000 Women should be liberated the same degree as men.

03:23:07.000 They should have everything equal.

03:23:08.000 Men and women should be equal in all things, responsibilities and freedoms.

03:23:11.000 True, I agree with that.

03:23:12.000 Including selective service.

03:23:13.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

03:23:15.000 And financial abortions and abortions. 1.00

03:23:17.000 And abortions. 1.00

03:23:18.000 We're talking about a lot of women's rights. 0.96

03:23:20.000 But I'm not hearing a lot about women's wrong. 0.80

03:23:23.000 No, you can't.

03:23:24.000 Go to jail. 0.51

03:23:24.000 No, no, no. 0.51

03:23:25.000 I would say I would like that policy.

03:23:27.000 Oh, you're saying men should be able to.

03:23:27.000 Of course you can't.

03:23:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:23:30.000 I'm saying equal strokes for equal folks.

03:23:30.000 Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.

03:23:32.000 I think both of equal male for equal, I don't know. 0.98

03:23:35.000 Men can avoid male. 0.97

03:23:37.000 Yeah.

03:23:38.000 Financially.

03:23:39.000 That would be my preference.

03:23:40.000 Men can be like, I choose not to have a kid.

03:23:43.000 I prefer neither of those things, but equality-wise, I get it.

03:23:46.000 Yeah.

03:23:47.000 Well, we've gone way over.

03:23:48.000 Do you want to shout anything out other than mayonnaise in your sandwich?

03:23:51.000 Well, just shout out to Jimmy Jones.

03:23:54.000 I never got extra mayo on my sandwich.

03:23:56.000 I've got a Jimmy.

03:23:57.000 Don't tell me that was on my Jimmy John's sandwich.

03:24:00.000 It was his mayo.

03:24:02.000 It was the caller's mayo.

03:24:05.000 Right on, brother.

03:24:06.000 Okay, well, thanks for calling in, I guess.

03:24:09.000 Dang.

03:24:10.000 All right.

03:24:11.000 Thanks for the call, dude.

03:24:12.000 It's been a lot of fun.

03:24:13.000 We went a little long because we were yelling at each other, but I had a good time.

03:24:15.000 So, Matt, thanks for hanging out, Kyla, of course.

03:24:17.000 Thanks for having me.

03:24:18.000 We're back tomorrow, and I forgot who we have tomorrow, but we publicly announced it.

03:24:23.000 Thanks for hanging out.

03:24:23.000 So, whatever.

03:24:24.000 And did you guys notice that I did seven Tim Cast news segments yesterday and today?

03:24:30.000 No.

03:24:30.000 Because I'm a work machine.

03:24:32.000 I'm probably going to die.

03:24:33.000 Well, everybody will eventually, maybe.

03:24:35.000 I think I've done six.

03:24:36.000 This next year.

03:24:37.000 This puts me at six hours of recorded, pure straight talking.

03:24:42.000 Well, to be fair, like other people talk during IRL.

03:24:44.000 Yeah, okay, we'll see you later when you listen.

03:24:47.000 See you later.

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