Jack Posobik fills in for the late Tim Poole, and Andrew Wilson joins the show to talk about the burning of the American Flag, immigration reform, and much, much more. Hosted by Jack and Jake, this episode is sponsored by Booneys Skateboards.
00:02:24.000So Jack Posobik here, host of Human Events Daily, filling in for the great Tim Poole, who hit me up this morning and said, look, I need some help.
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00:07:32.000Soldiers, you know, so specialized units, specifically trained and equipped to deal with public order issues.
00:07:39.000So they're talking about specific units, specialized units of what okay, I understand what's in the first paragraph.
00:07:45.000I already understand what they're talking about.
00:07:47.000So specialized units, they're talking about crowd control.
00:07:49.000They're talking about crowd control units, all right?
00:07:51.000Don't like just, just, it's so obvious that they you they could use and I I say this every day, but they could obviously have just said it's crowd control units.
00:08:01.000We're looking at people who are designed.
00:08:03.000I believe and any army guys in the chat, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a version of the military police.
00:08:10.000I think it's an MP designator that goes in under that.
00:08:14.000And then it's it's riot control basically.
00:08:16.000And who has that because they have the ones who are trained.
00:08:18.000They have those who have training for like law enforcement.
00:08:20.000They have a little bit more training in terms of how to deal with those situations.
00:08:24.000And that's where they're sending in those specialized units.
00:08:27.000It sounds so much, so much scarier when you say it that way.
00:08:30.000But also, and this is what they're all losing their minds about, they're losing their minds that Trump is saying nineteen more cities, potentially Chicago.
00:08:41.000Well, I saw a news scum and he was, uh, he was going to town about this and saying that it's all a ploy by Trump in order to steal the midterm elections.
00:08:51.000And that's why they're mobilizing troops all over the place.
00:08:54.000Now, this of course was carry over from his.
00:08:57.000massive embarrassment when his little, his little speech got raided by ICE, which was hilarious.
00:09:17.000So, and it's true, that's been going on.
00:09:20.000Now, people forget, go back to when Trump gave his very first victory speech.
00:09:25.000You remember they were, all the commentators were saying, it's about strength because he said, American carnage, the days of American carnage are over.
00:09:33.000So this shouldn't be a surprise to people.
00:09:34.000Trump's been talking about doing this for a long time.
00:09:36.000He talked about doing it when he was running the first.
00:09:39.000time, he talked about possibly mobilizing the military to go into these places where we're losing more people than we were in legitimate wars.
00:09:59.000So they asked him this question in the Oval Office earlier today and they said, you know, are you going to be sending troops to red cities?
00:10:07.000And he just gives the reporter a look, like, what red cities?
00:10:16.000And even in some of the large cities where you may nominally have a Republican mayor or New York's got an independent right now, like this city is still blue.
00:10:27.000It's still, it's still very, very blue.
00:10:29.000The point being is, is they've allowed that, you know, blueness or whatever, the liberalism and soft on crime approach because you have to consider the rights and the interests of the criminal actually coming before the rights of tourists, citizens, children, family.
00:10:47.000Think about New York, but any of those people who actually have much more of a right to those streets than the criminal does.
00:10:55.000Look at San Francisco, look at many of these places where you have junkies in the street in a zombie-like state.
00:11:02.000You guys remember seeing all those videos?
00:11:04.000They're going through, they're scanning them, and these guys are just hanging there like it's nine of the living.
00:11:09.000I'm from the Philly area, and we've got a place like that called Kensington, and they actually refer to it now as Kensington Beach.
00:11:17.000And you can go on Instagram and find Kensington Beach accounts or whatever, and you can get like t-shirts that say Kensington Beach, because there are so many people laying out that it looks like they're at the beach, because it looks like they're suntaining or something.
00:11:30.000Don't you consider it I know it's not constitutional treason.
00:11:33.000But in your mind, isn't it somewhat treasonist that the mayors of these cities and governors of these states essentially are soft on crime in order to placate a minority, a minority group whose votes they want?
00:11:45.000It's part of them bribing the electorate, right?
00:11:48.000And so the idea that, hey, I'm going to send the military in because you won't do your job, which we saw during the California riots, I watched them every single night live, covered them on multiple cameras.
00:11:58.000We were watching them get into fights with the police, burning the squad cars, setting fires.
00:12:03.000We would call it dumpster mo, the next dumpster mo, when they would put the dumpsters up and start fighting, right?
00:12:09.000They told the police obviously to stand down.
00:12:15.000Let them do what they're doing until Trump sent in the Marines and that that put a stop to it.
00:12:20.000And their little day of rage didn't really go off as well as they had hoped because there was some some military there taking care of it.
00:12:26.000And it's like at some point we're going to have to look at this and say, if these guys won't enforce the laws and we're losing, you know, four, six, ten, twelve, sixteen people a day, eventually someone's going to have to put an end to the carnage.
00:12:40.000How much do you think that it's, how much do you think that it's about the voters in the, you know, specific metropolitan areas or whatever?
00:12:47.000And how or versus how much do you think?
00:12:49.000it's about actually placing people in a PR move?
00:13:41.000I mean, NGOs are always involved in this, you know what I mean?
00:13:44.000But the question here, what we're moving down to is this, if these people will not stop this, if these Democrats won't stop it, how does it get stopped?
00:13:54.000Part of the reason why I ask that and I push back on the idea is just because you see so many videos coming out of DC where people that are actual residents that are like, this is great.
00:14:03.000I can drive around in my car with the window open in the summer and I don't feel like, blah, blah, blah.
00:14:10.000There are a lot of people that are posting these things on the internet saying, look, it's much safer.
00:14:14.000And I know that the people that are most upset about crime in a area are the people that live there.
00:14:20.000So I feel like there's, I mean, not that I've done any kind of, you know, any kind of surveys or deep dive on this.
00:14:33.000What you're highlighting though, what you're highlighting is that there's a disconnect between the actual experience and the interests of the citizens and the preference reflected.
00:14:44.000Yeah, if they're getting good results from this policy.
00:14:47.000Why don't they vote for this policy when they have the chance?
00:14:49.000Well, also the people that are being disenfranchised the most when these cities fall apart are the people in the suburbs, because those are the descendants of people that were driven out of those cities a few decades back.
00:14:58.000I wanted to ask you an incredible point, but I also want to ask you about your conversation with Nick Sorator.
00:15:02.000So you were talking about DC, so obviously DC now, the president could do more there.
00:15:10.000It is a federal city, so he can do more.
00:15:13.000But that being said, it will give us, I think, some clue as to the sort of things that we might be seeing in Chicago and these other nineteen cities.
00:15:20.000I mean, the point he made was obviously there's no clear pathway, like for example, to Chicago.
00:15:24.000He said something that could be a possibility to make this work would be if the Cook County Sheriff deputy federal agents.
00:15:30.000But once again, that all depends on who the sheriff is of the county.
00:15:33.000Well, it still comes down to, so the way I understand most of it is that it still comes down to if you're in for so federal agents can always, always obviously be involved in enforcing federal law.
00:15:46.000So if you can find a nexus, like say, I don't know, gun trafficking or something or ATF where they're, you know, they're breaking gun law.
00:16:03.000Now they can get, yeah, now they can get, uh, they can get involved.
00:16:07.000And so, yeah, that's, that's one reasonable pathway.
00:16:10.000Um, the truth is, though, it's like, what I saw during those riots was just the show of force calmed things way down.
00:16:19.000Not at first, at first, you know, people wanted to make an example of it, and so they wanted to go fight with the, uh, the Marines, but that didn't last very long.
00:16:26.000And it did seem like it calmed that entire order down very, very quickly.
00:16:29.000We were very disappointed, you know, this big heyday.
00:16:33.000We all had our popcorn, you know, we all had our beer.
00:16:51.000Huge change from the Summer of Love where they felt like, okay, we have our foot on the gas and there's a year of the counter PR, like to your point, the counter PR is the progressives are going to say, these are Nazi stormtroopers who are coming in from a fascist president and the whole idea is to seize power.
00:17:06.000They can't tell you the path to that though, right?
00:17:39.000And yeah, man, they're they're taking people out there left and right.
00:17:42.000Tate makes a point frequently that we're kind of a vibes based country, like the United States really, really kind of votes and acts based on how they feel far less than actual evidence or whatever.
00:17:57.000and I think that it works both for the right and for the left.
00:18:00.000Like the left has the vibe that Donald Trump is this authoritarian.
00:18:05.000And look, anything that they can come up with that confirms their feelings or how they, you know, their preconceived notions, they're going to say, look, this is it.
00:18:13.000This is all I mean, how many times have you seen someone from the left write a, excuse me, a think piece about how bad Donald Trump is and how he's a Nazi and stuff.
00:18:22.000And it doesn't matter what the policy is, everything confirms their preconceived notion.
00:18:47.000Show me the path for how Donald Trump mobilized the military to seize control of the country.
00:18:51.000First of all, there's no way generals would ever go for that in a million years or commanding officers or anybody else.
00:18:57.000They're simply going in to try to do something about these crime-ridden areas, which is a thing Trump talked about in his first term on his very first speech when he said American carnage is over.
00:19:08.000He's been wanting to do this for a long time.
00:19:10.000So I don't even know what they're freaking out about.
00:19:14.000I've been kind of talking about this thing behind the scenes., I wrote this piece, not too long ago, talking about how Trump is a city conservative and that city conservatives are just functionally and fundamentally different from rural conservatives.
00:19:28.000And people are saying, like, are you saying they're better?
00:19:30.000No, no, no, I'm not saying anyone's better or formed differently.
00:19:32.000It's just that, yeah, they're formed differently.
00:19:35.000It's that Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, you know, the MAGA movement was born on a golden escalator on Fifth Avenue, New York City, which is just fundamentally different than sort of the George W. Bush conservatism, which evokes this kind of, you know, like a small town esthetic and a pickup truck and a six-pack.
00:19:54.000And yeah, those are all cool things, but they're just fundamentally different.
00:19:57.000And whereas the City Conservative, it really is more law and order focused.
00:20:05.000Yeah, he mentions once that it was the Freddie Gray riots back in 2015 and Melania, when they were burning Baltimore down, and Melania was watching that with him and she said, and he had been kind of kicking around, okay, 2016, do I want to run?
00:20:21.000He hadn't in 2012 and they were watching that on TV and her turning to him and just saying, look at this, you have to run.
00:20:28.000And it was so it was those images of the breakdown of law and order because in order.
00:20:33.000for a city to be a city, right, in order for a city to be formed, it has to be, you know, it has to be red coded right at the very beginning, or else, you know, I'm sorry, like the Libs, you're not going to build a city.
00:20:47.000And you need to have those laws to establish that order from the chaos to begin with, or else you're just going to get chaos, which is what we have now.
00:20:54.000And so the city conservative is basically formed and activated by having all of that stolen from them, and they're fighting to get it back, but it's rather than conserving.
00:21:04.000But isn't what's happened, what usually happens here is when they send troops or anything like this or even feds to come in and try to put an end to carnage going on in a major city.
00:21:26.000Don't they go in and purposely agitate in order to make it seem like the people are really against this, that people hate this, this is really fascist and oppressive and this.
00:21:35.000They're always trying to optically make it seem that way, even if it's really not that way.
00:21:41.000I think you're going to get, I think you're definitely going to see an activation of Antifa groups in, especially in places, Portland, Seattle, probably Chicago as well.
00:21:49.000People in Seattle have to do that when Kyle Rittenhouse happened, and even though that was Kenosha, they were driven up from Chicago.
00:21:58.000So that was all groups of people from Chicago that had gone to Kenosha.
00:22:02.000So there are pretty sizable and well formed organizations still there, and unfortunately, with the exception of Georgia, which I've actually said, Governor Kemp in Georgia has done a great job of rolling these guys up.
00:22:15.000And so Georgia is the one example you're mentioning the NGOs.
00:22:42.000You're going to see for optics, right?
00:22:44.000And there could be something here, and I'm glad you bring this up to kind of draw that poison out, right?
00:22:49.000Another way for us to maybe start following the money back to other NGOs who are funding these types of groups.
00:22:56.000And yes, the idea here, they are going to try to make it an optical disaster by agitating whoever comes in to enforce law and order and make it seem like these are fascists.
00:23:08.000They're here to take your rights and beat you in the streets and things like this when actually they're agitating the law enforcement, right?
00:23:16.000So I agree, Andrew, with your take on these mayors and governors being treasonous.
00:23:20.000And that's a good reason to go into these cities and clean them up.
00:23:23.000I'm also for tactical strikes against riots, but I am uneasy cheering on military presence in these cities if it's a sustained presence.
00:23:32.000And because I'm not confident that the right's going to hold power after Trump.
00:24:24.000I have no problem with DC, because it's DC.
00:24:26.000Well, just to ask you a quick question, Steelman, you're not in disagreement with Ari Vega.
00:24:30.000I'm just saying I think the president is kind of already.
00:24:32.000You're saying, hey, look, if the military is deployed, now we have a precedent possibly against Posse Comitatis, something like this.
00:24:38.000And so that could carry over to Democratic administrations, which are then used to oppress you, that's the basic position.
00:24:43.000My question to you would just be, what would you even think of as an alternative that the president could do from a law enforcement perspective to enforce any of the laws in these places where dozens of people in some cases are murdered daily?
00:25:47.000So this is the one thing he can do, which is within his power to do.
00:25:51.000And if these treasonist local officials refuse to enforce the laws because they get stand-down orders from Democrats who are in the pockets of NGOs and everything else we just talked about, what else can he actually do at his disposal to stop that?
00:26:04.000Well, yeah, if we can all agree that it is treason, and I think these governors are collapsing these places on purpose because they want it's a war against the country.
00:26:12.000If we can all get along with that, then it is a war.
00:26:15.000I think we've been in a war without even defending ourselves.
00:26:17.000We're not going to get along with that, right?
00:26:18.000But what they have they have already begun in some cases, you know, when you're talking about the lack of enforcement or refusing to enforce immigration laws, we've already seen indictments against mayors.
00:26:30.000And potentially you could see more of that.
00:26:32.000And I think when it comes down to this immigration law and not just and, you know, refusal to follow, but even aiding and abetting, if you're someone who's done that, and it's been some smaller cases now, but I think that you could roll that out depending on what's done, right?
00:26:47.000If someone is to really cross that line.
00:26:49.000But these guys are within their authority to do this.
00:26:51.000They're within their authority to not enforce laws or give more minimum.
00:26:55.000That's the same thing if they cross the line.
00:26:58.000Like how many dozens more need to be dead daily before we move to this line?
00:27:01.000This is what I'm saying is like from the president down, the president of the United States, he has access to the soldiers of the United States.
00:27:51.000There's also these transnational narco-terror groups that are involved.
00:27:55.000In fact, I believe Stephen Miller mentioned earlier this morning in one of the briefings that they've, as they've taken a more of a look at Washington, DC, they're even finding a direct, this is going to sound crazy guys, but did you know that the street gangs in our cities are getting their drugs from drug cartels?
00:28:25.000Everyone should go watch it, whether you like Jimmy Doerr or not.
00:28:27.000He did a great piece on what's going on in DC and how they change the category of what crime is to make it look like crime has been going down.
00:28:50.000So you just change the definition and then you could add percentages to this other definition., which should really go in this other violent category.
00:28:58.000And through this, they were able to kind of show to the public, well, crime is actually decreasing, well, violent crime when it's not actually decreasing.
00:29:08.000Yeah, and the the the the whole thing is just nonsense.
00:29:10.000And so the the question becomes again, and this is the one I always come back to and that I just I have never gotten a good answer on because I don't think there is one, right?
00:29:19.000It's like no offense to you, there's just not a good answer for this.
00:29:22.000What do you do if you have treasonist Democrats in charge of these cities and in charge of even these states who refuse to enforce the laws or add new minimums for the purposes of placating, you know, a minority constituency for the purpose of national PR, other than sending the troops to enforce the law.
00:29:43.000Our citizens are still suffering there.
00:29:45.000Our citizens are still getting killed.
00:29:47.000In fact, he is the president of all American citizens.
00:29:49.000So he, they have an obligation to do this, right?
00:29:52.000Like if he doesn't have the obligation, who does?
00:29:55.000No, and it's very clear to your point, Shane, about, you know, what Giuliani did in New York, the broken windows, that he's obviously, who was very closely related to Giuliani at the time, that they were working together.
00:30:07.000He was sort of, you know, obviously on the economic side, Giuliani on the law enforcement side, but they turned New York from the taxi driver in New York and Robert De Niro to this like amusement park and specifically Times Square.
00:30:21.000And everybody wants to go, but not that long ago within living memory for, I would say most people, it was not like that.
00:30:58.000I can foresee how this could possibly come back to bite Republicans in the ass if it's the case that we set the precedent and then they're like, ha ha ha ha ha ha, now it's being used.
00:31:08.000But I never want to say, let's not do something because, oh, what if the left is exactly to that point?
00:31:13.000Because, like, well, the thing is the left is, they're not going to do it.
00:31:16.000The left has already proven that they will do things that are out of the realm of normal.
00:31:22.000They don't care about what they don't care even about what's legal.
00:31:24.000They were arresting President Trump's, uh, uh, his lawyers.
00:31:27.000So if they don't care, and then your reason to not exercise power when you have it is, oh, well, the dems will, they're going to do it anyway.
00:31:36.000Well, come on, the rhetoric led to Trump almost being assassinated.
00:31:38.000I mean, they literally tried to take him out.
00:31:40.000Well, I'm thinking, guys, I'm thinking that since we are talking about what the dems might be doing and we're talking about riots and talking about inciting violence in cities, this could possibly lend us to segue into our next topic, which is on flag burning.
00:31:57.000Hard, hard, hard, hard, hard segue there.
00:32:01.000Well, so here's what's interesting about this because because so they signed this new executive order this morning, the president signs it prosecuting the burning of the American flag.
00:32:09.000And people say, whoa, whoa, I was told the Supreme Court said that was totally cool.
00:32:15.000You know, that's a bedrock lifelong American value all the way back to the founding fathers of 1989 when this agreement came down for the Supreme Court, when the ruling came down.
00:32:28.000But what's interesting is about, because I've actually gone through and read the executive order, which I don't think most people have, and it specifically talks about, and this is interesting, groups of foreign nationals burning the American flag as a calculated act to intimidate and threaten violence against Americans because of their nationality and place of birth.
00:32:51.000Right, the California riots and American as a nationality and America as a place of birth.
00:32:58.000So we are the only country in the world where we allow foreign nationals to come in and burn our flag and say they're perfectly allowed to do this while intimidating and threatening us.
00:33:13.000So they've done everything possible to desecrate and demoralize the American public through flag burning, through the destruction of the symbols that we care about.
00:33:24.000And again, I don't want to hear anything about freedom of speech.
00:33:27.000These guys are tearing down monuments.
00:33:28.000They tear down the Confederate flag in the South.
00:33:30.000They don't give a shit about freedom of speech.
00:33:32.000Well, they, yeah, they prosecute you if you do a burnout on the corridor.
00:33:36.000Yeah, that's a totally different story.
00:33:38.000Wait, wait, before we get to all this, before we do this, which I want, which I definitely want to get to, I want to point out that people are saying, how is he getting around the Supreme Court decision, right?
00:33:46.000And it's just obviously, obviously incorrect.
00:33:49.000You see, ah, ah, but what they've done is they're saying, notwithstanding the Supreme Court's rulings on First Amendment protections, the court has never held that American flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action or that is an action amounting to quote fighting words is constitutionally protected.
00:34:10.000So it seems like what and it's just my kind of lay reading on it.
00:34:14.000I don't think any of us are lawyers that, you know, let's say you're burning, you buy a flag, Amazon, whatever, you bring it to your house, you decide to burn your flag in act of protest.
00:34:25.000This wouldn't cover that, but what it would cover is all of the other instances that we're talking about.
00:34:29.000Yeah, like them burning it in the middle of the street, starting fires in California with the flags and things like this, which they were doing.
00:34:37.000They would just argue, well, that would already fall under arson laws., why do you need this law?
00:34:41.000Well, the thing is, it's like you are correct.
00:34:43.000What they're saying here is, if it's the case that we can see that you're doing this in a manner that looks like incitement, now we can get you for incitement.
00:34:52.000It's not just burning the flag any more, right?
00:34:58.000I agree that that's kind of what they're doing by holding up the Supreme Court decision here and saying we're going to work around and actually cit it.
00:35:14.000It's a treasonist act as far as I'm concerned.
00:35:17.000It's a seditious act at the very least., and I have no idea why we want to import millions of people who then go to California, make a hybrid flag, start fires and burn our flag.
00:35:55.000And the whole thing is to kind of keep the country in this idea of turmoil, this consistent idea of turmoil, never ending turmoil, never ending color revolution.
00:36:06.000It's designed specifically to demoralize.
00:36:10.000We were watching the California riots.
00:36:13.000People would heap garbage in the middle of the road, and a masked guy would come by, and out of his pocket, he'd pull out lighter fluid, spray the lighter fluid all over it, light it, and then walk off.
00:36:21.000Where the hell are these guys getting all of this?
00:36:23.000They came totally prepared to start arsonist fires, right?
00:36:46.000I think that I do think that this will be a test of the Supreme Court.
00:36:51.000I also think that it's kind of ridiculous to say that it is a 20th century notion, a very modern notion to think that the First Amendment covers this kind of activity.
00:37:01.000This political expression was very well known to the founding fathers and the founding generation.
00:37:06.000They would tar and feather people, right?
00:37:08.000They knew the difference between speech and expression.
00:37:11.000As it turns out, our ancestors were not stupid.
00:37:14.000And our, you know, our forefathers in this case.
00:37:16.000I mean, honestly, they would have shot these people.
00:37:51.000It's like when you have these, it's like when you have two kids in the one, they're putting their f finger really close to the other kid and they're like, I'm not touching you.
00:38:32.000I was just I was in the chat saying like, Stephanie, we're like, Oh, well, it's not actually a crime.
00:38:38.000It's actually, guys, it's not actually a crime to burn the flag.
00:38:40.000Actually, did you know that it's not actually a crime to burn the flag, which is just talking about this whole midwintery thing we're talking about before the show, like, where it's like, Yeah, okay, we know it's not a crime.
00:38:50.000Like, we shouldn't be encouraging or allowing everyone to do it en masse at every protest across the country.
00:38:55.000I just see them in the chat, like, Yeah, that's one of the things.
00:39:08.000Yeah, I've got a little more nuanced tas take than Shane.
00:39:12.000I think that as a, like, if you've got someone with a green card or something like that, or someone that's not a citizen, then that should be grounds to revoke their green card, send them back.
00:39:22.000But personally, I think any reason that you can get to revoke green cards and send people back is fine with me.
00:39:29.000I like the idea of people being able to do it so you know who the bad guys are.
00:39:33.000The same reason that I like freedom of speech.
00:39:35.000So people will tell you the bad things, tell you the things that, you know, will say the things.
00:39:41.000Can you make that argument for all crime though?
00:39:49.000Because, I mean, because the reason being is because this is, this is something that will happen at protests, something that will happen in, in certain contexts.
00:39:57.000I mean, but I mean, regardless of who's the bad guy, even if, even if there's confusion, even if who's the bad guy, it's not always the same people.
00:40:06.000I think they would still do it, regardless of what the law is.
00:40:08.000To expand it to all crime is not to expand it to all crime really misses the point.
00:40:13.000The point is, it's fine if people want, like, I don't have a problem with people that want to, or I don't have a problem with people burning the flag, right?
00:40:21.000Because it's, if it's their own property or whatever, I don't have a problem with it.
00:40:24.000There is a freedom of speech argument in my opinion.
00:40:26.000But also, I like the idea of being able to, you know, people that actually have bad ideas and have bad motivations.
00:40:33.000I like those people feeling like they can speak out so you can identify.
00:40:36.000But it's not always the bad people burning the flag.
00:40:38.000It could be a Marine like Smedley Butler who is against going to war and he's out burning the flag.
00:40:42.000But the context for me is what changes.
00:40:52.000But the thing is, if you have Well, I'll steal man your argument a little bit.
00:40:58.000I think in the Vietnam War era is really when this really came.
00:41:01.000Yeah, because a bunch of hippies, because a bunch of hippies who again were backed by massive communist NGOs and anybody who looks at the 60s era can see the infiltration of feminism, the NGOs, via Rockefeller Foundation.
00:41:16.000That has nothing to do with not wanting to go to war.
00:41:52.000The reason it's on the military uniform going the opposite direction is because it's supposed to emulate as a soldier's running the flags blowing behind him, right?
00:42:01.000It's such a powerful patriotic motivator and a powerful glue that holds society together.
00:42:19.000And the way that you can prove this test, by the way, of what you're saying in the fact that it's not just erosion, but it's also replacement, right?
00:42:27.000So replace, we're replacing your symbols of power, your sacred totems, with ours.
00:42:33.000And so in the same token, by the same vector, you go to any lib, any leftist, and we all know what I'm going to say, but I have to say it anyway because I'm hosting the show, is okay, would you, would you hold the same for an LGBT flag or one of those Pride crosswalks or a trans flag or just, you know, pick any other of your hodgepodge of flags that they all have, you know, at any coffee shop, by the way.
00:42:53.000Well, no, they would say, by the way, what about it?
00:43:14.000I was just saying also, it's like, for me, like, I'm 24, so every time in my entire life I've seen someone burn a flag, it's one to one with people that hate me.
00:43:22.000So it's like, I'm also kind of tired of protecting the rights of people that hate me, like, all the time.
00:43:25.000Because I'm okay with protecting the other way around people that hate me.
00:43:41.000I mean, that's pretty much all incitement.
00:43:43.000If you're on top of a car, they're saying they were trying to say during Johnson, him burning the flag in public was going to incite violence.
00:44:02.000Especially when they're tearing down the U.S. Federal Statute.
00:44:04.000You would still need a test case, but even then, the incitement statute would still have a statutory definition.
00:44:12.000I think the flag, the symbol of a flag burning is not going to automatically incite violence.
00:44:16.000I think the death cult of Marxism has rotten, rotted the brains of these people that they'll take anything as a symbol to incite violence or as an excuse.
00:44:23.000No, no, no, I don't disagree with that.
00:44:24.000But what I'm saying is why do they use that one?
00:44:34.000Usually, well, they'll touch it to burn it.
00:44:36.000You know, in fact, I remember in the California riots, we were watching, when we were watching them live, there were multiple times where they were handing out these flags where people were saying, guys, don't wave that.
00:46:18.000I think you've been enslaved and destroyed by this government my whole life.
00:46:22.000And a network of undeclared wars, and it's okay.
00:46:25.000You have that right, despite it not being literally written in the First Amendment to say screw this.
00:46:29.000Well, I would say that if it's not written, then how could that prayer is not in there either, and automatic rifles aren't in, and the regulation is in there.
00:46:37.000Right, but it doesn't specifically say that.
00:46:38.000So they keep expanding what different interpretations throughout the years.
00:46:43.000I mean, it just says that Congress can't make a national law that says everyone has to follow one religion.
00:46:48.000Right, it actually doesn't say that you can't, you can ban prayer.
00:46:51.000But my point is though, is that, is that there's no, there's nowhere in this., this is kind of like when I feel like it's when Roe v Wade was kind of read into the penumbra of the Fourth Amendment.
00:47:31.000I never see them trying to enshrine thathrine that right.
00:47:33.000Somehow, whatever it is, the one thing that is bad behavior to demoralize the entire public that's enshrined is an American right and it's always been that way.
00:47:43.000I don't think it's a bedrock argument, but I do think it could encroach on expression that you're taking somebody's rights away when you say burning the flag is illegal.
00:47:52.000And I say, I don't think it's a right.
00:47:55.000Yeah, I mean, it's because it's like when you see in the LA riots, when you saw the Mexican flags and you see that you're not thinking about the Mexican government, you're thinking about Mexican people.
00:48:03.000And it's the same thing with the American flag.
00:48:04.000It's like, okay, people are saying I'm protesting the government.
00:48:06.000It's like, well, that's great, but the flag represents the people.
00:48:12.000And there's a whole debate around what that identity is.
00:48:14.000But it's like, yeah, I mean, it's like you can protest the government in other ways, but the flag is something much deeper than a federal government.
00:48:20.000You should be able to protest however you want, though, unless you're going to hurt someone.
00:48:23.000Unless you're lighting the flag and throwing it onto someone.
00:48:24.000But that's the whole point of this thing is they're saying that it's incitement.
00:48:26.000And it's like if they're likely to incite.
00:48:29.000If you're saying I hate you and your heritage and I want to attack you by burning it, I mean, that's incitement.
00:48:33.000That's what, what about, like, to your point though, what about the fact that this is new?
00:48:41.000So you're saying that all the people who came before that who honored the flag and you were not allowed to desecrate it, they were wrong and they always should have been able to burn the flag if they wanted to.
00:49:26.000distaste the distrust their distrust for the government not to burn the symbol but that but look how look how emotional everyone was getting over it it's like a pretty good way to protest you I think that's a very new kind of take on the constitution.
00:49:38.000I think it's a very, very new read on it.
00:49:41.000I mean, I'm sure you could probably talk to people from the war on terror If you want.
00:50:09.000Yeah, well, that really fucking sucked, didn't it?
00:50:11.000Because ultimately the communists started taking over all the institutions and they're indoctrinating all of our kids and it's horrible.
00:50:17.000And so, like, no, we probably should have locked them all up.
00:50:19.000We probably should have eradicated, I would argue.
00:50:21.000We probably should have burned up our communist relics.
00:50:24.000We've tried the sort of libertarian, hey, we can build a utopia and everyone can choose their own path and everyone can, you know, you can burn the flag or love.
00:50:34.000And like the way this constitution was organized, like it worked much better when we were like a hyper homogeneous people where everyone was like the same religion, the same everything, the same culture.
00:50:41.000It's like now we're basically an empire and we need to start if if we want to really embrace the empire life.
00:50:47.000as we've structured our country in 2025, it's like the laws do need to sort of reflect that.
00:50:52.000We need a bit more order, a bit more structured everything because people will just take any freedom, any inch you give them, and with this kind of ridiculousness, and like I agree, I don't even know if it's really a right, they will seize it to just throw.
00:51:03.000I don't think we're going to get a better future with this top down governance.
00:51:06.000I think we'll get a better future when this country accepts Christ.
00:51:10.000I think having a moral grounding from the bottom up.
00:51:14.000I think a moral grounding from the bottom up is going to change generationally, but not top down change will do anything.
00:51:20.000What I think a lot of, and I had a friend, you know, from back home who's a Republican, but not like a huge Trump person, text me earlier today and said, you know, was asking about some of this stuff.
00:51:33.000And I do think a lot of what Trump is doing when you talk about the crime, when you talk about this, the flag, when you talk about all it's all connected, right?
00:51:42.000So it's esthetics, it's the broken windows policy, it's this idea that we need to reset.
00:52:37.000And he was right about that, actually.
00:52:38.000And what I mean, your point too, it's like, that's why city conser conservatives are so different from rural conservatives, even suburban conservatives, because it's like, Trump's neighborhood, he grew up in Queens, is a completely, completely different culture, like, civilization.
00:52:56.000So it's like, that has a really galvanizing effect, not that, you know, not saying other people, you know, they don't see this, obviously they see this as well.
00:53:02.000But yeah, for city conservatives who grew up in a place like Queens and you're seventy years old, I mean, you've seen a churn, a civilizational churn occurring, like, in your box.
00:53:11.000I agree with you when you say we need to get back to Christ, one hundred percent, right?
00:54:17.000It's not, it's a material object which has a representation of the metaphor.
00:54:22.000Even if you guys are, look, but we've been, we're debating about whether the flag is covered under the First Amendment.
00:54:29.000I think it's pretty clear that as much as Christian values are what the United States is based on, that you can't make legislation about that.
00:54:37.000You can legislate, you can legislate, you can't legislate morality.
00:54:43.000When the country was far more Christian than it is now, they had blasphemy.
00:54:45.000And I think you can legislate morality.
00:54:47.000I think you can legislate anything that you start, if you start legislating morality, people are going to say, well, that's legislating religion.
00:54:57.000That's the argument they're going to put.
00:55:39.000The argument that I'm making is you can't have because of the First Amendment, you can't say, okay, we're going to legislate these, these, these religious tenets.
00:55:46.000Now, I understand the left actually has a religion when it comes to a lot of their ideology and it actually behaves as a religion.
00:55:52.000And so they actually have the Death Amendment.
00:55:55.000The tenth amendment says that if the United States government cannot do it, the states prospectively can.
00:56:00.000The United States government cannot make a law that says it's a national religion.
00:56:08.000I strongly feel like that will go to the Supreme Court and the supremacy clause will come, will kick in and they'll say you can't do that in the United States.
00:56:26.000The precedent that the Obergefell, I'm not even sure what precedent was for Obergefell.
00:56:32.000But the idea that you can pass a law that would in some way violate the First Amendment, they're they're going to throw their.
00:56:42.000Look, if you, if a state decides they want to, then they can go ahead and try it and see what the Supreme Court says.
00:56:48.000But there's already been precedent in the Supreme Court for this being called a Christian nation, right?
00:56:53.000It was, what was it, Lovejoy, or I don't remember what the case was, but he literally said it's a Christian nation.
00:56:59.000If they, look, if they want to go to, if someone wants to try it and go to the Supreme Court, then fine, you can, you can, someone can try it, fine.
00:57:06.000I strongly believe the court will say, no, under the False Amendment.
00:57:33.000The Supreme Court justices matter and the Supreme Court justices are chosen by the president who is chosen nominally by the people of the states.
00:57:41.000And so the people matter and it is going to come down to the nitty gritty of the Tenth Amendment, the Supremacy Clause, et cetera, et cetera.
00:57:55.000And that will end up being the side that has had a stack of it.
00:57:59.000Part of the reason why I would say that the Supremacy Clause would take precedent and that the First Amendment would protect people, would prevent states from doing it is because the conservative justices, they don't always come down where you think they're going to come down.
00:58:14.000You can reliably pick what the progressive justices are going to, how they're going to vote.
00:58:20.000You can always, they're always going to vote in line.
00:58:22.000Sotomayor and Kagan and what's her name?
00:59:59.000I'm going to segue at one point, but, you know, it, I think the symbol argument and the effect that it has on people, especially as a dad, you know, if you take your kids to Washington, DC and you come in and you want to go to a museum or something, and you walk by a group of people and you say, oh, you know, especially coming to Union Station, right?
01:00:21.000Union Station is where most people come to the city when they take the train.
01:00:38.000And then you have to sit there and try to explain to a child.
01:00:40.000I'm not saying I've done this, but you would have to sit there and then explain to the child that the flag that we teach them matters so much.
01:00:48.000Actually, there's something beyond that that matters that you can't see and you can't touch, but it matters.
01:01:45.000All they respect on the counter is force.
01:01:47.000That's why they put their finger in your face, say, I'm not touching you, but you can't do anything about it until you smack them in the mouth.
01:01:53.000By the way, just, just the last point on this, and we do it this way, but there's plenty of countries around the world, including Western Europe, where there are flag burning laws.
01:02:03.000This isn't some crazy, tyrannical, draconian, you know, no one has ever said this before.
01:02:11.000I mean, you could pull up the list and then people have in the comments just it's country after country after country.
01:02:27.000In this case, just because it's okay in other countries that we should, that's a precedent for us to hear and make that law.
01:02:32.000I'm not saying that's the only reason.
01:02:33.000I mean, I spent a long time explaining why I think it's a good reason, but I'm also pointing out that other people agree with that as well.
01:02:42.000I just think it's a, I think it's a weak measure, and we have way bigger things to be fighting that I wish this administration would go after.
01:02:48.000And this is like a small distraction giving you guys some fast food meals to cheer about, whereas I want to go after things that really like he was, he promised to obliterate the deep state.
01:03:07.000I think that's big, but I think there's something beyond just that.
01:03:10.000I'm thinking, like, I hear this, I hear this a lot and I understand, you know, Trump's supposed to be going after the deep state and the Well, he campaigned on it.
01:03:22.000Every single time this guy drafts legislation about anything, he makes an executive order about anything, even small, to try to make some kind of change, it's his own side.
01:03:32.000The guys who want to dismantle the deep state, who go after him the hardest, who curtail and hamstring him from doing what he wants.
01:03:37.000Because it was the deep state that tried assassinating him.
01:03:39.000If he can't even pass something about a flag, what do you think he's going to do to the deep state?
01:04:09.000on the horizon we don't know what's going to happen in 2028 and the point being is if you don't have that much time why wouldn't you want want to make long term investments?
01:04:18.000Yeah, I do want to make long term investments, but I hope we're actually making them in terms of this, these big things.
01:04:25.000I think protecting the flag and setting the course of the nation for children is really important.
01:04:42.000Saying that America is an English speaking country setting the precedent that, hey, the actual language you're going to speak here in English, that's a long term precedent, right?
01:04:50.000These are these are long term investments.
01:04:52.000But the other thing is, it's like we cannot.
01:04:58.000Well, and a great example of that is our next story, by the way.
01:05:05.000Contractually obligated to do these segways, by the way.
01:05:08.000I'm not trying to exciple conversation for the record because this is a great combo, but you know, that every day I'll say this, you know, every day we get a story of something the Trump admin is doing this, the Trump, and this is a huge difference between, I would say, the second term and the first term is that this time around, they don't let things go.
01:05:26.000It's not like they get hit by the media and then they just, all right, we back off.
01:05:31.000They're deporting Kilmmar Garcia, or at least trying to, and they're fighting tooth and nail for this.
01:05:37.000And I think that does set a precedent.
01:05:39.000And you could argue now, some people might argue, so, well, that's super short term.
01:05:43.000Why do you, why do you care so much about, you know, this one guy?
01:06:14.000And yes, we can certainly put Dr. Fauci on that list as well.
01:06:18.000Which by the way, don't get me wrong, when you mentioned Dr. Fauci, and I don't want to sound like I'm not addressing it, President Trump talks about this all the time that he wants to take a look at the validity of those pardons because I don't think there's any way that anyone can seriously say that an auto pen pardon is valid.
01:06:39.000Dr. Fauci's pardon is absolutely not valid, Hunter Biden's pardon, et cetera, all the rest of him.
01:06:44.000And for the lies that Fauci did, he should absolutely have his pardon shredded.
01:06:48.000They also make the argument that Joe Biden was not mentally fit.
01:06:55.000He just was not mentally fit to do any of those anyway.
01:06:57.000And I think that that's a really hard one for them to argue considering they replaced him because he wasn't mentally fit.
01:07:03.000So it's really hard for them to argue that point.
01:07:05.000So let me just get this update though on the story while we're here because a federal, this is, I think this happened just as we were coming up on the show because this changed basically as I was doing the intro here.
01:07:16.000A federal, and this is from the great Thomas Stevenson.
01:07:19.000Go follow him, by the way, over at Post 100 because he does great work.
01:07:27.000judge appointed by Obama ruled that the Trump admin is forbidden, oh gosh, from deporting alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia for now.
01:07:43.000Your judge Paul Paula, oh, of course, Paula.
01:07:47.000u.s district judge paula shinnis paula alone blocked his deportation and said in court the Trump admin legal team your clients are absolutely forbidden at this juncture to remove mr. Abrego Garcia from the continent of the United States.
01:07:58.000This is our understanding until she holds a hearing to see if he can contest the deportation order to the third country.
01:08:14.000They fight back every chance they get.
01:08:16.000They say, even if you're someone who's an even if you're an MS 13 member who was involved in trafficking, trafficking other illegals and I believe minors at one point, this guy was, it was brought up that he was trafficking, even for that person, they will still fight back.
01:08:34.000Well, this is a classic case, like, what do you do with power when you have it?
01:08:40.000Well, first you have to have it and we don't.
01:08:43.000And so we have to, we have to be moving more towards that.
01:08:46.000It is true that we have Trump as president, but we don't really have a right wing entrenched establishment for power.
01:10:12.000I think you say that they can deport to these other countries if they want to, that the United States government can deport to Uganda if they want to.
01:10:39.000And in many of the, and by the way, in many of of these cases, you know, you have people who are from even far more, you know, far-flung places in the world than just Latin America.
01:11:15.000He was he was picked up human trafficking., right?
01:11:19.000Like what kind of what kind of defense could they possibly produce?
01:11:23.000It's very obvious that this is just a wait out the clock scenario where it's we're going to find it's kind of like when you have a death penalty case and they just they just come up with any theory, anything they can find, oh, and they just hold it over until, you know, right, until a Democrat gets in or something like that so that he's able to stay.
01:11:45.000And that's, and it's very clear they're trying to do that.
01:11:48.000So Shane, to your point earlier about short term versus long term, this is what happens when they're pushing for these short term gains.
01:12:35.000But when it comes down to it, when it comes down to it, you know, and I could see people saying, you know, why does it matter so much about this guy?
01:12:43.000I think it shows the new level of fight that Trump Admin 2.0 is showing, where no, we're not going to give up on this one.
01:12:51.000And in fact, because you made such a big deal and the senators were flying down to El Salvador and meeting with him in, you know, CCOT and all this, that we're not going to let go and we're going to make a symbol of this and we're going to show this to everyone and set the precedent that if you're here and if you're here illegally and you're rolled up, you're going.
01:13:10.000And there's no, the Libs don't have any power.
01:15:37.000So I've, I've, I, I spent about a year at Guantanamo Bay serving there in the military and not on the other side of the bars, but, it was the same deal.
01:15:50.000It was like air conditioned, the facilities were really nice.
01:15:53.000It was based on, you know, a supermax.
01:15:55.000So they get detainees would get whatever they wanted.
01:15:59.000They would certainly get, you know, religious specific meals and keep halal and all this.
01:16:05.000And then we would have so and Red Cross was right there in the National Red Cross.
01:16:10.000So they and they had pretty much full access all the time to the prison facilities whenever they wanted it 24/7.
01:16:20.000And we would still get congressional delegations and journalists who would come in and we would show them all this.
01:16:27.000and I would say what I just said about here's their medical group and here's their Red Cross representative and here's the lawyers that they get and all this and they would walk out and they said torture.
01:16:41.000It's like, no, I just spent all day showing you the no, torture.
01:16:47.000And it was, you know, I never kind of I'll put it this way.
01:16:50.000I kind of never believed the media to be like I understood the media was like liberal, I guess, but it was serving there and like going through that experience with, you know, my own eyes to just realize how much lying they do.
01:17:04.000Just straight, blank lying that for the purpose of political expression.
01:17:20.000They could prove they were there and then they turn around and say, Oh, and then they know because I can't just post, you know, pictures of the conditions for lots of legal and secret facility and you're a seizure and that would be legal.
01:17:33.000You know, that, you know, we can't really refute anything they're saying.
01:17:47.000And this, yeah, so this was, this was me serving in the military and being like, wait a minute, it seems that the lies are far stronger than I realised.
01:17:54.000I thought they were just going to love it.
01:17:57.000But since we're talking about symbols today, I think Surge has our next story up, which is also important because it's a big symbol.
01:18:18.000You know, I know there's someone out there who has a famous adage, but I would turn it around.
01:18:23.000I would say feelings don't care about your facts.
01:18:25.000And that I think people imbue, right, symbols with meaning because they are a representation of a greater, either ideal, a greater truth, a greater nation, a greater religion.
01:18:58.000Depending on how the cross is set, it conveys if you're this type of Christian, exactly.
01:19:02.000That type of Christian symbolism conveys not just this idea of like intuition and feelings, but it conveys a significant amount of information between people, but they never have to say a word.
01:20:49.000I think the reason that Cracker Barrel and we'll see what they end up actually doing with it.
01:20:54.000But I think the reason that it resonated so directly because, you know, it's interesting is people would say like oh this is woke right but it's not necessarily woke in the sense they're not changing it to like a rainbow color or adding things like that or changing it to like a like a woman or something But we all know that it's wrong.
01:21:27.000Like the Democrats on the left that were just like, this sucks.
01:21:30.000You see it all the time when they have these beautiful old homes and especially millennials will come through and just gut it and paint everything white and turn it farmhouse chic.
01:21:42.000Well, I do think that it's, if we're talking about symbols, what is it a symbol of?
01:21:47.000It's a symbol of the America that came before.
01:21:50.000And it's a symbol of American heritage for how we got to where we are.
01:21:54.000And so, you know, that old America, quote unquote, versus new America, or whatever you want to call it, real America versus new America is definitely the sentimental.
01:22:08.000seminal moment of our, you know, of our time.
01:22:13.000Is it the Kilmar Garcia America who doesn't care, you know, to even speak the language and he'll go eat whatever he wants or is the people who who or is the people who come in there and say, oh, you know what?
01:22:26.000My grandfather had one of those, you know, or we were we were going there with my wife who isn't even from this country.
01:22:49.000Remember a few years ago it was going around on Twitter about them trying to change the name of Cracker Barrel and they thought it was offensive.
01:23:06.000Why would they, you know, why would they get rid of that?
01:23:09.000I do think, and we were talking about this beforehand though, I think a bunch of us, I forgot exactly who it was, that possibly the real conspiracy here isn't necessarily that they want to change the logo, but they want to change the entire business model.
01:23:44.000Because when you're waiting for the food to come, the kids are like, I need this, I need this, I need this, I need one of these, I need some of this stuff.
01:23:50.000And it's like, eventually they kind of wear you down.
01:23:53.000I eat at Cracker Barrels, especially when I'm on trips.
01:23:55.000And I rarely see anyone in the boutique side actually buy anything.
01:24:56.000Which goes back to what you're saying about McDonald's, because McDonald's, when you were, when we were kids, I think we're all the kind of of of an age.
01:25:27.000So when we were all kids Oh yeah, no, there were ball pits.
01:25:29.000When we were all kids, McDonald's, it was, I want to say, almost every McDonald's, unless you were, like, in the middle of the city, had this huge play area for kids.
01:25:40.000And the inside was designed for kids as well.
01:25:43.000So there'd be like seats constructed out of the characters.
01:25:47.000And like the hamburglar would be like your bench that you were, like, sitting.
01:26:02.000And it was, and it was great because, you know, if you're there and if you're, you know, with mom or dad, you know, then they could they knew they could do take the kids there and then, hey, cut them loose.
01:26:12.000You know, you go do your thing, order the food, food's coming in.
01:26:16.000Hey, food's here, you gotta yell at them to get off the playground.
01:26:19.000The world used to be made, or at least the country used to be made for families.
01:26:24.000And I will say, and people I saw someone in the chat say, Posobu's gonna bring up Europe.
01:27:02.000And I don't just mean like in McDonald's, I mean like you walk, you could walk into like a five-star restaurant and the very first thing you'll see off to the side is a kids area.
01:27:13.000And they'll say, Okay, well, here's an area for the kids.
01:27:15.000There's some games, there's some toys.
01:27:17.000Sometimes they even have someone like assigned to sort of watch that area.
01:27:21.000So you can go and sit at your table, right?
01:27:24.000Right, where it's probably not great for kids, even though you have to teach restaurant manners, but we all know how that goes.
01:27:30.000And they just have these kids areas that are totally incorporated in the world.
01:27:34.000And you even see it in, you know, just you go to offices or a place where you have a waiting room.
01:27:42.000If we're going to be mean to people who can't have children here, it's going to make them feel bad, which is why we need to take half of the public parts.
01:28:56.000It's so funny you mentioned this because this is something that I look for all the time, especially when I'm overseas, that you see in Hungary, you see it in Poland, where they just have, and when you say propaganda, it's just like in an advertisement for Coca Cola or even McDonald's.
01:29:14.000In those countries, they will include that.
01:29:40.000So the feminists did this, the feminists destroyed it.
01:29:44.000The idea is the the entirety of the government is moving towards women going to college.
01:29:51.000Women need to go to college, they need to be educated, they need to have a fallback system for when the man inevitably screw them over, right?
01:29:57.000The truth is, is that those years, those College years, that's childbearing years.
01:30:02.000Those are your best childbearing years and you're wasting them at college and you get another four or five years after college to get your career established.
01:30:09.000You get married at 30 and you have one child.
01:30:12.000It's the most antifamily system that you could ever have imagined.
01:30:17.000It's antihuman because families make more humans.
01:30:21.000So if it's an antifamily policy, it's antihuman.
01:31:22.000What guy wants these entitled boss babes?
01:31:24.000And so anyway, that's a whole different thing.
01:31:26.000But the idea here is it is indeed an antifamily policy to try to move women towards college as a fail safe because men are evil and are going to screw them over.
01:31:35.000I mean, we're moving towards a future where kids are going to have grandmamas who had only fans.
01:31:52.000I mean, it's like, yeah, you find a picture of your of your grandmother when, you know, when she was younger, and it's like, oh, here she is with her family.
01:32:11.000To your point about, you know, having women get into the workforce essentially, I really think that that's the one of the reasons for that is because generally it makes people unhappy and unhappy people tend to be more likely to be revolutionaries.
01:32:27.000Happy people don't, don't, don't protest.
01:32:33.000And if you have a generation of unhappy people, you're more, you're more likely to have a generation of activists and protesters.
01:32:41.000Well, there's something that will stabilize the nation.
01:32:43.000There's something to that, but I would just reinforce the point by saying this, that women are the easier, they're much easier to propagandize higher neuroticism.
01:32:52.000Much, much easier to propagandize than men are.
01:32:55.000There's a reason that they defer women into education and they want women in control of lower education, especially.
01:33:02.000And that's where indoctrination begins.
01:33:04.000And that's why when you go to a public school, it's a nightmare.
01:33:06.000And little Johnny sits there with his hands folded quietly and all he wants to do is go outside and play and not do anything else in this feminized school, right?
01:33:16.000Well, I mean, this is, so I wrote the book on humans last year and this, this, this, what we're talking about here is the entire plot of the book.
01:33:37.000That's why you have Karen Bass, for example, you know, take this into a city level, where she was actually trained by Marxist revolutionaries out of Cuba at a young age and was in these brigades and was taking trips down to Cuba for training and then comes up and people say, well, why is she pursuing these policies that destroyed Los Angeles?
01:34:20.000She was pushing socialist ideology as well.
01:34:22.000And here's, here's, here's, so I'll segue into, and I think this might be our final.
01:34:27.000topic before we move to super chats, but this talking about, you know, messaging, talking about, you know, the pushing of things in society.
01:34:37.000Of all places, Snoop Dogg, folks, Snoop Dogg is the one speaking out.
01:34:43.000Snoop Dogg is criticizing LGBTQ characters in children's movies, laments kids going to ask questions, said he didn't have answers when his grandson questioned a same-sex couple having a baby in a children's movie.
01:35:00.000And I think they may of, here's, yeah, here's the line.
01:35:32.000And it's like, and that's Snoop Dogg, right?
01:35:36.000You know, he just comes out and I think things have gotten to a certain kind of point when you've got Snoop Dogg pushing back against the destabilization of Costco.
01:35:46.000of culture, specifically movies intended for children.
01:35:49.000Well, can we just finally all admit that blacks have always been pretty based on the gay issue?
01:37:14.000Yeah, if he was coming out saying this kind of stuff five, six, seven, eight years ago, he would have been, pardon the pun, but dog piled.
01:37:22.000But, but, but you know, it's even if he's seeing but even if he is being opportunistic, isn't that still a good sign that he's saying, hey, wait a minute.
01:37:31.000I know the current in rap even at the time, ten years ago, they were still pretty against LGBTQ.
01:37:37.000Yeah, but isn't that, isn't that the big conspiracy theory in rap though, that like Tupac?
01:37:43.000The undercover thing is definitely that, that's not a joke, but it's not a joke in the Republican Party either.
01:37:48.000And it's not a joke, you know, like it.
01:37:51.000Tupac and Lindsey Graham would have been friends.
01:37:53.000Yes, that, that is the case that there's a lot of these undercovers who are around, you know, and I just, I'm not sure that they're any more plagued with it than any other specific community is, especially in the music industry, which is one of the most degenerate places on planet Earth.
01:38:06.000And here in the entertainment industry, also hyper degenerate, as you know.
01:38:11.000And well, this was one of the big things where the Diddy trial, people kept, you know, kind of wondering where, you know, is there going to be be more?
01:38:41.000We should actually, you know, this happened since, you know, Serge, we didn't have this on the list, but, you know, Shane, since we, I don't think Tim has had a show since this has happened.
01:38:53.000Glaine Maxwell transcripts have come out.
01:39:16.000I would say, I'll say this, and I'll put my, like, my Gitmo hat back on.
01:39:20.000You know, good, good first meeting, right?
01:39:22.000You know, and if that's, I certainly hope that that is a series of meetings, because there's so many different things that she mentions in this transcript.
01:39:31.000Like at one point, she goes, you know, they, uh, they say, because, uh, Top Land, she doesn't ask a lot of open-ended questions, but one of the open-endeded questions, which is something, by the way, I like the open-ended questions better because then they might say something that reveals themselves versus if you give them a yes, no, it's a lot easier.
01:39:48.000So he says at one point, did you perform any money laundering?
01:39:53.000And she goes like, well, I think you did for some cartels.
01:40:15.000You don't think that this was all precoached?
01:40:16.000You know, I'm sure there's a lot of that.
01:40:19.000I'm sure there's a lot of precoaching.
01:40:20.000But again, that's what I'm saying is that that's why you ask the open edited questions because even in those cases, you do get the opportunity for the person to, you know, to slip up and at which point, okay, the, you know, the lawyer might step in or whatever it is, but at the same time, you know, you have to do more and you have to continue.
01:40:40.000I feel like this is just damage control at this point on my side of the aisle for Trump.
01:40:46.000I do think he could have gone down on Fifth Avenue and shot someone and still had support, but you don't protect that Epstein and get support.
01:40:53.000And so, and I think that that narrative is, which was crafted, is sticking to him and is sticking to him pretty hard.
01:40:59.000And people want answers in the Epstein files and they want a hundred percent.
01:41:03.000Didn't Barr testify as well recently behind closed doors?
01:41:40.000And the girl that he did that to, who went public, explained the whole racket and said that, you know, like, that these women were being groomed from the library.
01:41:48.000Well, so, and you know, she, wait, wait, wait, so that woman, this, this was something that just broke that apparently she had written a book, Virginia Jeffrey, which is, even though she's died at this point, under questionable circumstances.
01:43:21.000I actually, there's, look, I'm not the tin foil hack guy, but, you know, his brother had his his own investigation done with very credible, you know, forensic analysis.
01:43:33.000And he doesn't think that that that that that that that that that was Epstein.
01:44:05.000I mean, it's, it's, it's one of those situations where.
01:44:08.000Where when you've got people, it's, you know, like we're saying, it's like the lock door, you know, mystery, where you've got so many people wanting to know what's going on.
01:44:16.000And when you've got a level of criminality that's being discussed here that's just so heinous and so disgusting.
01:44:57.000Well, if Trump doesn't do, if he doesn't move on, I mean, people aren't letting this one go.
01:45:02.000And if he doesn't, if there's not something, if they're not, if they don't start pushing something out, there's going to be a massive problem with his base because I've never seen so many Trump supporters pissed off about an issue as I have about this.
01:45:37.000And it's those vocal people, those vocal, the influencers and things like that, they're the ones who are always the determinator of Trump's management.
01:45:54.000The political vulnerability that it creates is a path for an independent or even a Democrat to come in and use this issue to totally take the momentum back from all of the legitimate wins that have been put on the board.
01:46:20.000Because the argument that I've seen always retorted is like, where was all this energy for four years when Biden was in office?
01:46:27.000I don't think I don't think Democrats don't care.
01:46:29.000I don't think a voter is going to I think that if you could find a Democrat that credibly rallied around this, it would be very politically potent.
01:46:39.000I don't know if it's enough to like save the Democratic Party or the Democratic brand, but it's way better than anything.
01:46:45.000Yeah, I don't think it could save the Democratic Party.
01:46:47.000It's enough to attack the MAGA brand though.
01:46:50.000And the thing is, a lot of them are going to use anything they can't talk about.
01:46:53.000Look, I'm not, I'm not, I don't disagree, but some things that you attack people with, like you're saying, are much more potent than others.
01:47:19.000Are they furious about the fact that things haven't been released?
01:47:21.000Are they furious about the way that they're furious about the fact that they're furious about the fact that they're thinking that Trump's sitting on evidence of this and they don't know why he won't release it.
01:48:54.000And it was, I mean, just like it was basically the plot of the movie Sandlot, but it as a commercial, but it ends with a Pizza Hut visit with all the friends.
01:50:55.000They ordered him to stop investigating the FBI and Saudi San Diego connection with 9-11.
01:50:59.000Also, they did the same to the co-chair of the 9-11 committee.
01:51:02.000Wyatt, not only do I already know about that, I can confirm that because I was there in 2006 as an intern for.
01:51:10.000Kurt Weldon's campaign, when they raided us over these claims about his daughter being connected to Russia, it was never substantiated.
01:51:20.000It was never actually charged, but instead they did so several weeks before the election in order to swing the election to the Democrat Joe Sestak in a very tight race.
01:51:32.000He went on to be completely disgraced, but Kurt Weldon was someone who absolutely called out the truth about what the US knew about 911 and the hijackers prior to the thing actually happening.
01:51:45.000And yeah, I was right there in working on the campaign and it was 2006 and I remember the raid.
01:51:52.000I wasn't there when the raid happened.
01:51:54.000I just like physically wasn't there that day, but I remember coming in like that afternoon and it was like, so how does it work?
01:52:02.000It's like super, it's like super early.
01:52:15.000And that was when Mueller was the FBI director and and and they had he's been asking too many questions and so he just did an episode on Tucker and everyone should go check that out and it's like, uh, it's like why am why is it?
01:54:01.000I feel like, like, you have to learn to get offended and that you have to learn to not turn those feelings off the way they're telling you to.
01:54:10.000Just say, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, you shouldn't have that.
01:54:13.000It's like, that's the feminine response, right?
01:54:26.000Yeah, and actually, and actually there are times when it's warranted and that this does, and we can use reason to reason that a response is warranted.
01:55:14.000Are the balls at the top of the flag pole there?
01:55:16.000They have like a razor blade and a map and a pistol or something in them.
01:55:20.000You know, there's certain things that I just can't reveal while I'm on the show here like this.
01:55:25.000But no, there's all sorts of things like that with flags, especially on the old ships, they would have stuff like that though.
01:55:30.000And it was like, you take the razor blade, the map leads you to some spot with the pistol.
01:55:35.000So you take the razor blade, then you cut up the map and then you use the pistol on yourself instead of.
01:55:40.000rather than rather than let the flag fall in enemy hands or something pretty based yeah pretty based yeah someone here says he is a uh who well he's a twice deployed infantry combat vet who you know doesn't you know hates the us flag says the us flag is as degenerate as the as gross as the rainbow flag to me so that's someone to put in so yeah there's definitely a lot and that's kind of what i mean he could also just be lying You know,
01:56:08.000he could just be like, well, I'm a two-tribe combat vet special forces.
01:56:11.000I went over to WWE Am4 and, you know, like he could just be full of shit by and large now, now maybe he's not, but by and large, Pete, this is just what I've noted that most veterans seem to have some veneration towards the flag.
01:56:27.000Well, I mean, this is the flag that gets draped on your coffin when you pass away as a veteran, and then that flag gets folded up and handed to your spouse, right?
01:56:36.000And so it's, you know, on behalf of a grateful nation.
01:56:40.000And so if it doesn't matter, does it not?
01:56:42.000And I think that if a nation exists and we know that nations exist and that their symbols should be protected and given, and yes, it is an extra measure of protection.
01:56:56.000Because, you know, to the point of, well, if I would go buy a flag, can I just burn something that I own?
01:57:01.000It's like, well, and certainly this is no, actually.
01:57:11.000Like, you know, I don't want to hear this shit.
01:57:14.000You could, you literally, you could be arrested and for and get taken away for domestic violence for breaking your own PlayStation because you get upset.
01:57:26.000Yeah, I mean, I keep hearing, you know, I do hear some people saying that, okay, so looking in the chat, some people talking about Trump needs to, needs to go against legal immigration.
01:58:10.000And so this is why they, you know, it comes from overseas.
01:58:15.000It typically comes from Chinese elite, CCP elite, and then you're getting them paying to the universities, which is a massive cash cow for them, these foreign students.
01:58:24.000And then, of course, when they come to our country, what do they do?
01:58:27.000They, you know, they they're stealing research, they're stealing so much, and then they go back to their country by and large now.
01:58:33.000So why are we subsidizing or allowing these educational institutions to have the elite, you know, the next generation of the CCP's elite come to our schools?
01:58:48.000There was this interesting thing people would bring up when they're talking about like Harvard and they'd be like they're excluding Asian students.
01:58:52.000And then it's a step that's even worse is the Asians that are there, most of them are not Asian Americans, they're Chinese students that have come there.
01:58:58.000So it's like, yeah, even at the highest level, it's like, it's way worse than you think.
01:59:03.000Well, and just to get back to your point of it, every time you're allowing a student at one of these institutions other than an American, you're taking a spot from an American kid.
01:59:14.000Broadly speaking, with immigration too, it's like that's a house and a job and a public school and everything.
02:07:50.000You introduce the story that you see on your right here, and then the whole chat will learn about it or the whole show will learn about it.
02:07:55.000Oh, I should have mentioned I forgot I had the I forgot I had the map behind me.
02:09:24.000So what's interesting about Greenland is that I think everybody just sort of inherently knows that it would be a red state.
02:09:31.000Like, there's, there'sn't any, there's, and it's also one of those things too, where like, if someone's a real, like, if you're a real MAGA, whatever, you know, MAGA Republican as opposed to just like an old school one, you know that Greenland is such a good idea.
02:09:52.000Because yeah, I mean, there was a little concern was like when they would ask the Inuit people there, they'd be like, Oh, we just hate the Danish.
02:09:58.000So it's like an anti white thing for them.
02:10:14.000Okay, we got to get, okay, Andrew's here.
02:10:15.000So we got to get into this story because this, this was one that was going absolutely crazy online because someone was going absolutely crazy in real life.
02:10:25.000A wrestler was brutally brutally beaten by Rampage Jackson's son.
02:10:31.000Cite, no one is going to consent to broken bones.
02:10:35.000Now actually the picture that's there, that's Rampage.
02:13:03.000So is it does it stand a reason that the ref here may think that this is like he might not realize that he like ran I leave like in this clip and sheet he like ran on and that was the part that knocked him out right here if in case anyone's Yeah, that knocked him out completely.
02:13:18.000So he hit him way and you could look at the guy in the background actually.
02:14:02.000And that, you know, to add more to the, you know, add more to the what's in the ring.
02:14:09.000if one of the things that I was hearing is that apparently this this wrestling promotion was one that they were really that WWE was actually really looking at for getting in indie talent.
02:14:25.000And there is some like behind the scenes connective tissue between them and MME or WWE.
02:14:31.000And so one of the issues is that you really did have people who probably should have known better when you were dealing with these types of people.
02:14:42.000And in terms of like, okay, here's this guy, Raja, who has this MMA background.
02:15:08.000Yeah, they like they do this all the time.
02:15:11.000So I'm not sure that I would really hold it against them that that they had this, you know, kind of minor celebrity on to promote whatever the match was.
02:17:43.000Well, the thing is, we've seen this type.
02:17:46.000Well, maybe not to this degree usually, but we've seen this type of crash out happen from streamers before on the kick side, Twitch, things like this, where their chat literally drives them crazy, right?
02:18:59.000And by the way, I would agree that, you know, with you, the LA, I don't know who exactly who the LA Times was quoting when we had that up earlier, but saying like, you know, should he face charges?