Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Preps BOOTS ON THE GROUND In Iran Says media, Trump Says NO | Timcast IRL w- Devory Darkins

00:02:31.000 It is being reported that more Marines and ships are being deployed to the Middle East as the Trump administration is preparing for a ground incursion in Iran.

00:02:40.000 Now, initial reports is that this would just be limited to Karg Island, which is not the main body of Iran, to secure their oil distribution and force them to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

00:02:50.000 However, Donald Trump himself has put out a statement saying we are getting ready to wind things down.

00:02:56.000 So, at the same time, he's saying that the United States is deploying more Marines and ships to the region, so you have to figure out what you think is really going to happen.

00:03:06.000 And I'm of the opinion I think things are probably going to escalate, and hopefully they don't.

00:03:10.000 But some are speculating for the 800 millionth time that this, this, could be World War III.

00:03:17.000 Yes, right.

00:03:18.000 Venezuela could have been World War III.

00:03:19.000 Ukraine could have been World War III.

00:03:21.000 Actually, to be honest, I think there's a compelling argument that we are looking at potentially World War III, and that is, in World War II, the argument is it was a series of battles that started, and before anyone, no one really knew that it was a world war at the time when it kicked off.

00:03:36.000 And that's true for most great wars.

00:03:38.000 So the argument this time is, hey, guys, look.

00:03:40.000 You've got the Gulf in war.

00:03:42.000 You've got whatever happened in Venezuela and now with Cuba, which is destabilizing, but sort of stabilizing.

00:03:47.000 There's conflict.

00:03:48.000 You've got threats against Taiwan.

00:03:48.000 You've got Ukraine.

00:03:50.000 This looks like it could be something starting.

00:03:53.000 We don't know for sure, so we'll talk about that.

00:03:55.000 More importantly, my friends, it has been announced by Democrats Project 2029.

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00:05:36.000 How's it going?

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00:06:09.000 And now let's talk about the news.

00:06:11.000 We've got this from CBS.

00:06:13.000 Trump administration making heavy preparations for potential use of ground troops in Iran.

00:06:19.000 We then have this in the New York Times.

00:06:20.000 U.S. dispatches Marines and warships to the Middle East.

00:06:23.000 Officials said 2,500 Marines from 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit in California and the USS Boxer Amphibious Ready Group will go in April to relieve Marines already deployed in the Persian Gulf.

00:06:35.000 Now, at the same time, as they are saying Trump is gearing up for a ground incursion of Carg Island, Trump himself boasts we are getting very close to meeting our objectives as we consider winding down our great military efforts in the Middle East with respect to the terrorist regime of Iran.

00:06:50.000 One, completely degrading Iranian missile capability, two, destroying the defense industrial base, three, eliminating their Navy and Air Force, four, et cetera, et cetera.

00:06:57.000 You get the point.

00:06:58.000 The U.S. does not, he says, by other nations, blah, blah, blah.

00:07:01.000 If asked, we will help these countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn't be necessary once Iran's threat is eradicated. 1.00

00:07:07.000 Importantly, it will be an easy military operation for them, et cetera.

00:07:10.000 We get the point.

00:07:11.000 This is Trump talking about the Middle Eastern allies and trying to secure the Strait of Hormuz.

00:07:16.000 I'm going to go ahead and say my opinion on this one is that the war is not going well.

00:07:22.000 The independents are breaking from Trump.

00:07:25.000 Republicans strongly support Trump.

00:07:28.000 Democrats always oppose Trump.

00:07:30.000 The question is, where are the middle-of-the-road people?

00:07:32.000 You've certainly got many prominent individuals who were on the right who are now critical of Trump and this war.

00:07:37.000 But you also have two-to-one independents leaning away from this.

00:07:41.000 They do not support these actions.

00:07:43.000 And based on what we have seen in terms of deployment or announced deployments, as well as the request for $200 billion and the fact that there's now discussions of invading Karg Island, I don't think this is going well.

00:07:55.000 Trump is under a political meat grinder.

00:07:57.000 He has a midterm coming up, and this is the Iranian strategy. 0.96

00:08:01.000 They want to grind it out until Trump is curtailed after the midterms, and then they win effectively.

00:08:08.000 I'm curious what you guys think.

00:08:10.000 I think that it's going badly.

00:08:13.000 At the very least, the perception is going bad.

00:08:15.000 It's going badly, right?

00:08:17.000 I mean, militarily, the U.S. is achieving the goals that they're looking for, but there's also the political goal of this, which is actually the removal of the regime, it seems.

00:08:28.000 And I'm not so sure that that's going to happen in any kind of timeframe that the administration wants.

00:08:33.000 Well, I'm really confused because Trump has said that we've won this war eight different times, but now he's coming to Congress asking for $200 billion.

00:08:39.000 So which one is it?

00:08:40.000 Have we won the war or do we need more?

00:08:42.000 Well, those are distinct things.

00:08:43.000 The $200 billion is to replenish the munitions we have here because they sent them all over there. 0.64

00:08:49.000 Well, not only replenished, it's replenished by some new, there's like some beefing up as well.

00:08:53.000 My point is like, whether or not we want a war, like if we won the war, they'd still need to ask for this money, or I should say, want to ask for this.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 Some of the money.

00:09:01.000 Because we definitely need to replete, but do we need to expand?

00:09:03.000 They'd still ask for the same amount of money.

00:09:05.000 That's probably true.

00:09:06.000 That's probably true.

00:09:07.000 I'm just saying.

00:09:08.000 Well, I'm not sure.

00:09:10.000 Well, I think a lot of people could reasonably be for updating and making sure that military arsenal stocks are where we need it to be.

00:09:18.000 But I'm sure a lot of people are skeptical of the military having, what does it mean?

00:09:23.000 What did we discover?

00:09:24.000 $1 trillion if they get it?

00:09:25.000 It's $1 trillion budget?

00:09:26.000 $1.5.

00:09:27.000 $1.5.

00:09:28.000 But to be fair, guys, a lot of that is the VA fund and things.

00:09:32.000 You've got to break that down.

00:09:33.000 How much of it actually goes to the bombs?

00:09:34.000 I think that's what we pulled out of the story.

00:09:36.000 It's going to be $3 trillion to the bombs.

00:09:37.000 And if he gets $2 billion, then it's $1 trillion to actual military arsenal assets.

00:09:42.000 I think the problem is if you're going to ask for $200 billion, can you at least pass an audit?

00:09:46.000 They haven't.

00:09:47.000 Nope.

00:09:47.000 There's a lot of money missing.

00:09:49.000 They can't explain it.

00:09:50.000 But on the other hand, we do want our men and women to be successful.

00:09:53.000 I think on the ground they've been successful, but I don't think politically it's going to be successful if it continues to drag on.

00:09:59.000 Now, we don't know what's going to happen.

00:10:01.000 I mean, it could end in the next two weeks, and then what?

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 Or it could drag on.

00:10:05.000 Are you guys open?

00:10:05.000 I'm curious your thoughts.

00:10:06.000 Like, say the audit included.

00:10:08.000 So one of my biggest criticisms of how Trump's handled this is that I think it seems like the war plan is not the most effective.

00:10:14.000 Do you guys want to see a plan of like, if you say that you're ending the war, how?

00:10:19.000 How are you winning?

00:10:20.000 This is how he wins the war, though.

00:10:20.000 I know what's the plan.

00:10:22.000 He negotiates with Putin, who's Iran's biggest ally, and then he simultaneously ends the war in Ukraine while ending this war, and then it can look like he did a two-for-one deal.

00:10:30.000 What if Putin won't end the war?

00:10:32.000 He just said today that Putin's been more receptive than Zelensky in all of his negotiations.

00:10:37.000 Sure, but he's like gone back and forth on Putin, right?

00:10:40.000 Like Putin's been more receptive, but Putin's still sending Iran important intelligence, right? 0.66

00:10:44.000 So it's like, and Putin's been pretty clear.

00:10:46.000 He's not ending with Ukraine. 0.53

00:10:48.000 Like, if he wants Crimea, he wants the Donbass.

00:10:50.000 That's not changing.

00:10:52.000 He maybe get it.

00:10:52.000 Maybe Trump will give it to him.

00:10:54.000 He's already got Crimea and the Donbass.

00:10:55.000 He's already got Crimea and the Donbass.

00:10:56.000 Well, he's got Crimea, but the fighting is still around in the Donbass area.

00:10:59.000 And regardless of how you feel about it, I can't imagine the Ukrainians are going to take that laying down. 1.00

00:11:03.000 They're not going to.

00:11:04.000 They might not have a choice.

00:11:04.000 Yeah, I don't think they have a choice.

00:11:06.000 I don't think that, at the very least, I don't think Crimea is going back.

00:11:08.000 He wants the port.

00:11:10.000 I agree that Crimea is a fighting thing, but regardless, it's not obvious to me because of all these movements.

00:11:16.000 Well, he did take the sanctions off their oil for $30.

00:11:19.000 Russia's oil, yeah.

00:11:20.000 So that's a pretty big standard.

00:11:21.000 He wants to be able to get a head war effort in the middle.

00:11:22.000 He wants to bring up the petrodollar.

00:11:24.000 He wants to cut them back in and say, we're going to make you money, and you should be working with us because you're Western.

00:11:29.000 Well, I think the petrodollar is what's in limbo right now, because if all of these Gulf states don't actually feel like we're providing them any safety, then they don't even have to use the petrodollar.

00:11:38.000 And then we'd be totally screwed because we have nothing that backs our currency.

00:11:40.000 So it's like, I feel like this is a very slippery slope if this thing goes even more sideways.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, I mean, look, this is, like I said earlier, this is still a military success for the United States.

00:11:52.000 Like, the U.S., I think that when Iran is saying that they've achieved something because they managed to hit one F-35, like, that's a big deal to them, considering all the sorties that have gone over.

00:12:04.000 You've got B-52s, which are not stealth aircraft.

00:12:06.000 They're flying over there basically at their whim.

00:12:10.000 They've got total air domination, if I understand correctly.

00:12:14.000 You can't say that Iran is winning the war. 0.83

00:12:17.000 The fact of the matter is the U.S. doesn't have the, there isn't a likelihood that the U.S. is going to achieve its political goals.

00:12:23.000 And that's consistently what the U.S. has been doing.

00:12:26.000 They'll achieve the military goals, but actually getting the political goals is something that has eluded the U.S. for a while.

00:12:33.000 But that's Iran's win condition, right? 0.97

00:12:35.000 If the win condition for the regime is the regime stays in power, then if America backs off before the regime has crumpled and regime change has happened, the regime is going to say we won.

00:12:45.000 It is going to likely further solidify their very antagonistic position towards Israel and America.

00:12:51.000 And we're going to be left with this state that's extremely hostile towards America with potentially concerns, again, about are they going to begin just rebuilding their nuclear power?

00:13:01.000 So do we need to crush them right now?

00:13:05.000 It's just so tough to evaluate.

00:13:07.000 I think the issue is without having a proper, I think you guys said Starlink got opened for Iran today or they're thinking about it, right?

00:13:14.000 Like I think without regime change, I don't see how this ends because the current regime won't negotiate with us.

00:13:20.000 They are going to continue to pursue nuclear warheads since they seem explicitly interested in that.

00:13:26.000 I think they're going to plan regime change.

00:13:30.000 You're probably right.

00:13:30.000 But again, so the argument is like the favorable position is that we win this decisively, we remove the Iranian regime.

00:13:38.000 Well, but the issue is, can you do that from top-down bombs?

00:13:40.000 No, you have to do it with ground force.

00:13:42.000 Exactly.

00:13:42.000 So do we send in should we send in the troops?

00:13:44.000 Well, it's inevitable.

00:13:45.000 They're already going to be sending.

00:13:46.000 Well, hold on.

00:13:46.000 I don't think we need to send in troops to accomplish that.

00:13:49.000 You cannot occupy street corners with fighter jets.

00:13:51.000 You can with nuclear bombs.

00:13:53.000 You can't.

00:13:53.000 But you're spending $1.5 trillion.

00:13:56.000 We have to have the technology.

00:13:58.000 There is no technology to enforce local laws at the root level.

00:14:01.000 You need boots on the ground.

00:14:03.000 There's nothing about it.

00:14:05.000 So imagine policing, right?

00:14:06.000 We want to go in and we want to tell these people you cannot have this form of government.

00:14:11.000 Well, if we're not there to enforce what they're doing, they're going to do whatever they want.

00:14:14.000 Especially the military.

00:14:15.000 But I wouldn't do that.

00:14:16.000 I would be arming the opposite part of the world. 0.98

00:14:20.000 The Kurds never worked. 1.00

00:14:20.000 We've done that too. 1.00

00:14:23.000 There's an argument in Iran for arming the, because Iran is very different than Afghanistan and Iraq, right?

00:14:28.000 The issue is that, like, in the case of the opposition, they're so beaten down by the regime.

00:14:33.000 There's no coordination.

00:14:34.000 They have no access to weaponry.

00:14:35.000 So this is where the boots on ground comes of, like, if we hadn't started striking Iran, is there this question of before any of this happened, could we have gotten weapons into some actual legitimate, more friendly to democracy group that could have had a successful regime change?

00:14:50.000 That's a big notch.

00:14:52.000 Who knows?

00:14:53.000 Well, you bring up Afghanistan, but there is a huge difference when you compare Iran's military, which had 900,000 people in their three different branches.

00:15:01.000 And you look at the Taliban, they had 40,000 people.

00:15:04.000 So it's just going to be, and then what, it took 20 years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban?

00:15:08.000 But the populace is very different, right?

00:15:09.000 Iran has a very highly educated, high, large middle-class populace that has a large interest in regime change that does not like the regime that is asking for support in Shift.

00:15:20.000 Why don't we ask this question?

00:15:21.000 Is Iraq better off today than it was when we went in? 0.97

00:15:24.000 I don't even know.

00:15:26.000 Well, the Kurds say yes, but. 0.72

00:15:28.000 But think about their current government today.

00:15:31.000 Is it better than when we went in?

00:15:33.000 I mean, maybe marginally, but I don't know enough about what's going on inside Iraq now to say definitively.

00:15:39.000 I mean, what was the worst thing Saddam Hussein did?

00:15:40.000 He did mustard gas.

00:15:41.000 He mustard.

00:15:42.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:15:43.000 He tried trading oil with the Euro.

00:15:45.000 I know, and that's why that was the worst thing.

00:15:47.000 He's like, Muhammad Offee tried to do the same thing.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, he wanted African-American. 0.92

00:15:50.000 He was brutal to his people as well, but obviously as that was a lot of people.

00:15:53.000 Well, but we don't care about that.

00:15:54.000 I mean, I can explain that.

00:15:55.000 That is a bunch of countries that are brutal to the people.

00:15:55.000 I agree.

00:15:55.000 I'm just saying.

00:15:57.000 The U.S. is like, we don't care about that.

00:15:59.000 But if you're an oil-producing nation and you're like, we want to trade with something else, we're like, then you're going to die.

00:16:04.000 Well, the key question here is, is regime change possible, right?

00:16:07.000 We've done it successfully in South Korea.

00:16:09.000 We've done it successfully in Japan.

00:16:10.000 We've done it successfully in a number of block countries that left the USSR.

00:16:14.000 We can't do regime change.

00:16:15.000 They had a resistance movement.

00:16:17.000 They were actually fighting invasion.

00:16:18.000 Well, that's why Iran is interesting because it's a lot in many ways.

00:16:21.000 It's very different than South Korea, obviously.

00:16:23.000 But just to understand that it's not technically regime change.

00:16:26.000 It was supporting the existing regime.

00:16:28.000 Yeah, but in the case of Japan, it was like actual regime change, right?

00:16:32.000 And now they're closest allies.

00:16:34.000 And there's really, really good research actually that came out of the Pentagon as to like why we failed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:16:40.000 And like these things I'm listening, like middle class, high levels of education, psychological interests of the people growing towards specifically the regime change that America's trying tends to lead to more successful regime change.

00:16:50.000 Whereas in Afghanistan, there's a number of areas where we like didn't work nearly closely enough with locals.

00:16:54.000 We supported oftentimes other counter-terrorist groups rather than looking for an alternative in the middle.

00:17:00.000 There was a lot of major mission mistakes that didn't happen in other successful regime change, which poses the question, is it possible?

00:17:06.000 I want to say this about regime change, though.

00:17:08.000 If Donald Trump thinks that he can influence regime change in Iran, but he can't even influence the regime of New York City, I think he's going to have an echo battle.

00:17:17.000 Yeah, distance is a really, really important thing.

00:17:19.000 I want to go back to what you asked.

00:17:20.000 Should we absolutely destroy the IRGC?

00:17:23.000 I think you have to do it. 0.83

00:17:25.000 You have to.

00:17:26.000 Because there's no reason you go in here, you spend the money, you spend the time and the resources to go there, and that's not the end of the object.

00:17:33.000 I kind of think, you know, looking at everything that's going on, looking at the sentiment, looking at the media landscape, I wonder if the American, America as a hegemony is done.

00:17:43.000 It's gone.

00:17:46.000 There's a lot of money to be made for what we've seen over the past decade or so with global content, meaning making content that plays to a multicultural audience.

00:17:56.000 The simplest form of this is these just for laugh gags videos that have been viral for a decade plus, where it's comedy bits, but there's no English in it.

00:18:04.000 That way it can be played for anybody.

00:18:06.000 So if you're in the age of the internet and you're a business and you want to make money, especially with media content, targeting as many people around the world as possible is going to make you the most money.

00:18:18.000 You're going to be like, imagine if some dude lived in Malaysia and just all day posting Ian Miles. 0.92

00:18:25.000 We get the joke, Alex.

00:18:27.000 That's not a real question.

00:18:28.000 I don't know.

00:18:29.000 Imagine somebody lived in Malaysia but posted nothing about American politics so they could run content in the United States, sell ads against it. 0.88

00:18:35.000 The same thing is true for everywhere else.

00:18:37.000 So if you can find a lowest common denominator cultural icon or item to produce content around, then, I mean, so we're seeing that with AI slop content.

00:18:46.000 We see that with comedy content.

00:18:47.000 But American-centric content is going to struggle against a sea of easy-produced slop and global, lowest common denominator content.

00:18:58.000 So if you want to maximize your audience, think about subjects that get the best amount of play globally and play that.

00:19:05.000 And do you think the American as a hegemonic power plays well globally?

00:19:09.000 I don't think it does.

00:19:10.000 Have you heard of Strawberita, the AI slop cartoons that are like super popular?

00:19:14.000 Have you guys heard of it?

00:19:15.000 Is it like similar to like the Italian brain rot that came out? 0.60

00:19:18.000 Exactly.

00:19:19.000 It's like they've had brain rot videos, but they give them these terrible AI scripts.

00:19:23.000 And Tim, they're getting hundreds of millions of views on TikTok.

00:19:26.000 Like it is the biggest AI slop I've ever seen.

00:19:29.000 So you're exactly right when it comes to how they can just make crappy content and people will watch it.

00:19:34.000 But that's where we're going.

00:19:35.000 I mean, when you look at, like, again, what's happening on YouTube, and this is a big deal, we've been talking about it for quite a bit.

00:19:42.000 No, like YouTube's dead, I would argue, because Phone Chilli as a platform and a monetary machine is probably doing really, really well.

00:19:50.000 But the amount of AI content, we don't even have to call it slop.

00:19:54.000 It's just the amount of content being produced.

00:19:56.000 It is becoming impossible.

00:20:00.000 The line used to be that an individual needed even just a tiny bit of talent to make a video that might get some views.

00:20:07.000 Even to just make the video, to turn the camera on, press record, press stop.

00:20:11.000 Now you've got, there's one video where a dude was explaining how he does something like $100,000 per month or $80,000 per month, working two hours a day by just clicking a button on an AI website and generating a video and then uploading it.

00:20:23.000 And he's like, yeah, I do like 10 of these per day.

00:20:26.000 And he's like, and I make 80 grand a month.

00:20:28.000 It's like, okay, that kid is a millionaire.

00:20:31.000 And you can't compete with that.

00:20:32.000 We can't compete with it.

00:20:33.000 Nobody can.

00:20:34.000 And as much as people are going to say, like, I don't want it, it doesn't matter because it's what becomes available.

00:20:39.000 There's going to be 700 videos that's AI trash.

00:20:43.000 And there's going to be two or three legitimate conversations about war in Iran.

00:20:46.000 And what's going to happen is that shows like this will not be able to survive this era.

00:20:50.000 I do think there's a big shift happening.

00:20:52.000 I believe the narrative machine is coming back.

00:20:54.000 It's going to be impossible for independent personalities to actually express opinions on these matters.

00:20:59.000 And we talked about it before, but my prediction is you had the era of free music, then you get the streaming music services where you subscribe.

00:21:08.000 You had the era of free movies, and now it's just Amazon where people just click the button and buy the movie or watch it on Paramount or CBS or whatever.

00:21:14.000 The same thing is going to happen to all podcasts.

00:21:16.000 It's already happening.

00:21:17.000 So expect, my friends, in the next couple of years.

00:21:21.000 You know what?

00:21:22.000 I'm going to let you guys in on a secret.

00:21:24.000 I'm going to tell you exactly what the play is right now behind the scenes.

00:21:27.000 You guys ready for this one?

00:21:29.000 People are going to get mad at me for saying this, and maybe this is going to be bad for my career, but I'm going to tell you what the perceived plan is based on the powers that be and the rumors that are circulating in D.C. is that Joe Kent is friends with Donald Trump.

00:21:41.000 Joe Kent did not resign in opposition.

00:21:43.000 He did not resign because he hates Israel or he's concerned about Israel.

00:21:46.000 He did not resign because he's concerned about this war.

00:21:48.000 He resigned intentionally to create a bifurcation in the right to shift the political parties in the next couple of years.

00:21:53.000 And he's going to run for office, likely with Tulsi Gabbard in 2028.

00:21:56.000 These conversations have been happening behind the scene for some time among many people in these circles.

00:22:01.000 If you follow Laura Loomer, she's talked about something going on with Tulsi Gabbard.

00:22:04.000 And potentially, she's working with Trump very well.

00:22:08.000 What I can tell you is, I have heard a handful of things in the D.C. area.

00:22:13.000 And that is, Joe Kent didn't just all of a sudden do a 180 on Trump.

00:22:17.000 This is part of the game plan.

00:22:18.000 They want to eliminate woke.

00:22:20.000 They want to restructure the political parties around a moderate Democrat Party and a neocon Republican Party that reflects more like the Obama-McCain years.

00:22:29.000 That way you have a Democrat candidate who says, we might have to go to war, but we should bring some of our troops home.

00:22:36.000 So you're going to have maybe war and yes, war, and there's not going to be a strong anti-war element, despite what people are claiming right now.

00:22:45.000 And that's one of the reasons we're seeing this play.

00:22:47.000 Well, if Tucker runs, he's anti-war.

00:22:49.000 You should talk in your microphone.

00:22:50.000 I'm saying if Tucker runs, he's anti-war.

00:22:52.000 he's not what what we're hearing in dc i was gonna tell you what what what what the you haven't heard tucker say that he's against this war i'm gonna tell you Yesterday you said that the right was shifting.

00:23:02.000 You said the left would be pro-war and the right would be anti-war.

00:23:04.000 No, have you heard something different?

00:23:05.000 No, The Tulsi Gabbard is going to be the anti-intervention Democrat.

00:23:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, I didn't.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, when Tim explained this to me, I was surprised it told you.

00:23:13.000 Okay, so you think Tulsi and Kent will flip to being Dems?

00:23:18.000 Tulsi will flip to Dems and the Lexington.

00:23:20.000 So again, I don't, all I can tell you is I've heard a handful of things from people in DC who work in the space that have like, so there's a lot of rumors.

00:23:30.000 And it sounds to me based off a few things.

00:23:34.000 Let me stress this.

00:23:35.000 What I can tell you, I know for sure, the mandate of the corporate media right now is to buy podcasts, to absorb them into their infrastructure and put them on the front page of their streaming services.

00:23:44.000 Duh, look at what's happening with CBS.

00:23:46.000 Look what's happening with TikTok.

00:23:47.000 The play is the machine state wants the narrative control back, so they're flooding YouTube with AI content to suppress independent commentary and channels.

00:23:56.000 They will all get very small.

00:23:57.000 They'll still exist, but they won't have a big impact on the general perception of what's going on in the media.

00:24:02.000 Then you're going to need to reshift the political parties so you can have, I would describe it as a Kyla Democrat party, still kind of on the left, but more reasonable when they have a conversation, trying to make sound arguments.

00:24:12.000 I respect that.

00:24:13.000 But the weirder elements of woke and all of the weird gender stuff is going to slowly be pushed aside, and you're going to get a Tulsi Gabbard that is like moderate Dem with some social policies. 0.62

00:24:24.000 But the strategy is when she comes out, she will not say Trump is bad.

00:24:29.000 She will say, I believe Trump did his best with the information that he was given.

00:24:33.000 I respect him.

00:24:33.000 I'm not going to speak ill of this man.

00:24:35.000 He worked really hard.

00:24:36.000 However, I think this, and again, the play is they're going to restructure the narrative machine.

00:24:44.000 The conversation is meant to look more like it did 20 years ago and less like it did in the 2010s.

00:24:49.000 They don't want culture, war, insanity.

00:24:51.000 They are trying to bring it all back together.

00:24:53.000 So again, let me put it like this.

00:24:55.000 The rumors that I'm hearing, and this could be all just nonsense, but from staffers and lobbyists and people in D.C., is the play that's happening right now.

00:25:05.000 Like, why is Tucker Carlson all of a sudden saying, oh, this is a bad thing, I oppose this, when only several years ago, he was like, Iran is a serious threat.

00:25:12.000 People can't change their mind.

00:25:13.000 He can, but he's friends with Trump, and this is the game plan.

00:25:16.000 He's better friends at Vans.

00:25:17.000 Indeed.

00:25:18.000 And the game plan is.

00:25:19.000 And if you want to win this, you need controlled opposition.

00:25:24.000 There should be an acceptable Democrat and Republican party.

00:25:28.000 And with the Democratic Party and woke being largely unfavorable, they are going to try and create a moderate space that will attract the likes of Joe Rogan because you know he loves Tulsi Gabbard.

00:25:39.000 And then you're going to have Joe Rogan in a couple of years being like, you know, I thought the Democrats were nuts.

00:25:44.000 However, Tulsi Gabbard comes back in, and now we have real leadership for the Democrats.

00:25:49.000 I think they can win.

00:25:50.000 That's the game plan.

00:25:51.000 But this prevents culture war, civil war expansion, and allows for the military-industrial complex and the pro-Israel element to maintain their wars and the liberal economic world.

00:26:01.000 Who do you think is all behind?

00:26:02.000 Because this is a lot of really, really, really big pieces moving.

00:26:05.000 And there's also an assumption that the Democrat base would ever consider.

00:26:10.000 Like, I understand you're saying the moderate, the moderate rights right now shift back to being the moderate left and vote for Tulsi, but you won't win anything without the Democrat base.

00:26:19.000 And the Democrat base is never going to go for Tulsi.

00:26:22.000 Anyone who touches Trump, I don't know if that's the right thing.

00:26:24.000 I disagree.

00:26:24.000 The Democrat base hates Trump so vehemently.

00:26:27.000 Anyone that's touched him, anyone that's in their minds been sycophantic and blue.

00:26:32.000 The question is going to arise for your corporate Democrats: who will they get more votes from, the moderates or the progressives?

00:26:39.000 And the play is to basically ice out the progressives.

00:26:42.000 And Gavin's already moving towards the business.

00:26:45.000 That's why AIPAC supported all of these Democrats and won in Illinois to get rid of the progressives.

00:26:50.000 Sure.

00:26:50.000 So again, I'm going to stress this.

00:26:51.000 I can tell you this definitively because these people have said it to my face.

00:26:55.000 The mandate for the corporate press right now is to buy up podcasts and take this.

00:27:01.000 All of these independent podcasts that exist are going to be pulled into HBO, Paramount, Netflix, whatever it might be.

00:27:08.000 It's already happening.

00:27:09.000 Sean Henny launched a podcast.

00:27:11.000 Netflix is a podcast section.

00:27:12.000 They had a meeting in Florida where all these people got together and discussed how they get in the space.

00:27:16.000 It is the corporate mandate.

00:27:18.000 NBA Universal is having these very same conversations right now.

00:27:21.000 Don't take my word for it.

00:27:22.000 Larry Ellison just bought CBS and they're working on purchasing CNN right now.

00:27:26.000 Well, that was my question.

00:27:27.000 I think this is coming from Ellis.

00:27:27.000 This is the game.

00:27:29.000 Why is Ellis interested in working, would be interested in Tulsi Gabbard?

00:27:33.000 Why would Tulsi be able to make a better bid for the moderate Democrat vote than somebody like Gavin Newsom, who's making a pretty hard movement towards trying to connect with you?

00:27:44.000 And don't forget about it.

00:27:45.000 But don't forget about JD Vance, right?

00:27:46.000 So these elements are at play.

00:27:48.000 But again, who does Trump support?

00:27:50.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:27:51.000 Rubio.

00:27:52.000 I think Rubio is the actual player for 2022.

00:27:58.000 Well, Trump's going to get impeached, probably.

00:27:59.000 Trump's going to get impeached, and there's even speculation that Trump might actually step down early so that Vance gets in as president for a little bit before Rubio takes the opportunity for 2028.

00:28:09.000 Again, I don't know for sure.

00:28:10.000 What I can tell you is this: there have been rumors around D.C. for a while that Tulsi Gabbard was preparing to resign and she was going to start doing PR moves where she views Trump respectively so that she can maintain moderates.

00:28:24.000 She's not going to play the Trump derangement syndrome game.

00:28:26.000 She's going to say that she respects him.

00:28:28.000 He's a good guy.

00:28:29.000 The Democrats were wrong to go after him, but the war is wrong.

00:28:33.000 We shouldn't be involved.

00:28:34.000 It's going to play the regime change thing.

00:28:35.000 Yeah, but you can flip once.

00:28:37.000 You can't flip twice.

00:28:38.000 That's like career suicide.

00:28:40.000 Even if it wasn't.

00:28:42.000 Even if it wasn't her, their strategy actually makes sense to me because at least you get rid of the progressive side of politics, which I think is the most radical thing on the planet.

00:28:52.000 And so if this is what they're thinking, if this is what they're planning, it sounds like a nice little strategy because even if Tulsi loses, if she is the person, that still means it doesn't go to the progressive side like Gavin Newsom.

00:29:05.000 But who's they?

00:29:06.000 Like who's who's they?

00:29:07.000 Like who's the person at the top or the collection at the top making these decisions like unified?

00:29:12.000 So Larry Ellison is a big Trump supporter and Trump fan.

00:29:15.000 Miriam Adelson.

00:29:16.000 Right, which is why Edison's a lot of people.

00:29:17.000 Which is why I'm going to be like, why would Ellison fall in line under Gabbard?

00:29:21.000 So if a Tulsi Gabbard candidate is in, if your choice, like if Larry Ellison's looking at who his choice is going to be, and it's got to be a Republican like Trump or some whack-a-loon lefty, he's going to be like, can we get a Democrat in there that's not a threat to us?

00:29:35.000 Like Rubio or Newsome.

00:29:39.000 I have a feeling that it's, I feel like he would probably go for Rubio, right?

00:29:44.000 There's going to be a Republican and a Democrat, and they want the Democrat to be someone who's not a threat.

00:29:48.000 They want moderately pro-war and pro-war.

00:29:51.000 They being Trump's inner circle, the donor class, the people who are buying up these media platforms and changing the narrative on them.

00:29:59.000 Sure, but you're saying you're coining. 0.98

00:30:02.000 They don't want bat shit crazy. 0.96

00:30:04.000 But they don't want progress. 0.98

00:30:06.000 So here's the issue: they want pro-Israel.

00:30:10.000 They want some kind of Israel ambivalent or pro-Israel.

00:30:16.000 All of them?

00:30:17.000 Because I've heard a lot of corporate elites.

00:30:19.000 It feels like right now what we're seeing is the battle of the billionaires.

00:30:21.000 You've got kind of the must and the teals on one side and then you're going to.

00:30:24.000 Elon Musk is pro-Israel.

00:30:25.000 Yeah, and you've got the sales and you've got the gates on the other side that are very at contention with each other.

00:30:32.000 Joe Gates is pro-Israel.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, and indeed, maybe these people do not like each other.

00:30:37.000 So the play in D.C. with Trump, again, I'm going to stress this.

00:30:40.000 This is the rumor that I'm hearing.

00:30:41.000 I don't know if that is true.

00:30:42.000 Joe Kent maybe is just doing whatever Joe Kent feels like.

00:30:45.000 They want to take control of the middle-of-the-road Democrat position.

00:30:50.000 They want war and they know that the war with Iran is going to be bad for moderates.

00:30:53.000 So they want to take control of a moderate Democrat space.

00:30:57.000 With the goal of putting the goal is your choices for president in 2028 will be kind of pro-war and pro-war. 0.58

00:31:04.000 So bad and worse.

00:31:06.000 The way it's always been.

00:31:06.000 Gotcha.

00:31:08.000 Again, the way I look at it is it is being viewed largely by these donors and these elites that we must have a narrative machine the way we did back in the 90s or the 2000s, where when we say we're going to war for the petrodollar, we do not get media opposition.

00:31:26.000 Hence why they should be buying up all of these podcasts.

00:31:29.000 And that's what they're already doing.

00:31:31.000 Or drowning them out with AI slop content or buying TikTok and banning certain voices.

00:31:37.000 So again, I point this out in perhaps there are grand conspiracies I don't know about, or maybe there's not really.

00:31:44.000 And there's just a handful of powerful elite billionaires that are making moves to make this happen.

00:31:49.000 There's definitely some conspiracy.

00:31:50.000 Well, you know, conspiracy implying criminal wrongdoing, what I'll say is this.

00:31:53.000 We know for a fact Ellison purchased CBS.

00:31:56.000 They're making a bid for Warner Brothers, which would give them CNN as well.

00:32:00.000 And we know that they're part of the group that is acquiring TikTok explicitly because of Israel.

00:32:06.000 TikTok had a massive amount of anti-Israel content.

00:32:09.000 84% pro-Palestine.

00:32:10.000 Pro-Palestine.

00:32:11.000 And this is not a conspiracy.

00:32:14.000 This is not meant to be shock content or conjecture.

00:32:17.000 We know for a fact that Republicans wanted to ban TikTok because the content was more progressive.

00:32:23.000 Democrats said no.

00:32:24.000 Then when Axios put out this report showing that the majority of the content after October 7th flipped to pro-Palestine, all of a sudden all the Democrats were on board.

00:32:33.000 And they said, yes, we should ban TikTok.

00:32:36.000 Trump's strategy was not to stop the ban of TikTok, although that's what it looked like.

00:32:41.000 And all these young people were cheering for him.

00:32:42.000 Trump's strategy was, there's a better way to do this.

00:32:45.000 You ban it, people get mad.

00:32:47.000 We sell it to pro-Israel American interests. 0.51

00:32:50.000 We win.

00:32:52.000 Just off of TikTok alone, I think it is fair to see the play for every Democrat, every Republican, and the investors is take control of the media and pro-Israel and the narrative will be pro-Israel.

00:33:05.000 So what's worse?

00:33:06.000 A Chinese-owned TikTok or pro-Israel-owned TikTok?

00:33:10.000 You know, I guess the troubling thing is you at least have some recourse in the United States.

00:33:17.000 American-owned American-owned company.

00:33:20.000 I just, yeah, I'm trying to see the through line of like what the China Warner feels.

00:33:24.000 Well, somebody's not under the bus necessarily.

00:33:27.000 You do know that they purchased TikTok because of this.

00:33:29.000 Yeah, no, no, I agree that the Ellis Brothers have been buying up all sorts of their own. 0.63

00:33:32.000 CBS, they're going to get CNN with the Warner Brothers merger as well.

00:33:35.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with all of that.

00:33:37.000 I'm just trying to go, if he's so pro-Trump, why wouldn't he just pivot?

00:33:40.000 If he's got this good thing with the right, it feels like there's a lot of still like motivated energy behind it.

00:33:45.000 I understand Iran's not popular, but just why don't you just have Marco Rubio come out and be like, man, like they're going to have Marco Rubio.

00:33:50.000 But why wouldn't they get him behind him?

00:33:52.000 That's what I'm trying to understand.

00:33:53.000 They are behind him.

00:33:54.000 They're behind both.

00:33:56.000 You know what controlled opposition is?

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 I'm saying, why would anyone think that Tulsi Gabbard is going to successfully run in a Democrat basis?

00:34:03.000 She's not expected to win.

00:34:04.000 It doesn't matter.

00:34:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:34:05.000 She's just your choice is pro-war or pro-er-war. 0.62

00:34:09.000 Or I should say like Tulsi is going to be the moderate.

00:34:12.000 But it's also this.

00:34:14.000 Okay.

00:34:14.000 It's a head.

00:34:16.000 How do you feel about that?

00:34:16.000 That's all true.

00:34:17.000 How do you feel about that?

00:34:18.000 How do all of you guys feel?

00:34:19.000 Like, say all of this theory.

00:34:20.000 I don't know.

00:34:20.000 I guess it just is, right?

00:34:22.000 Like all of my life until Trump won, this is what it was.

00:34:27.000 You could not go on TV if you opposed the war in Iraq.

00:34:30.000 They wouldn't let you on.

00:34:31.000 All of these anti-interventionist personalities, they were just on little micro blogs on the internet that didn't matter.

00:34:37.000 Well, whether it was intentionally or otherwise, these channels got really big.

00:34:41.000 Alex Jones got nuked.

00:34:42.000 He was doing over 100 million uniques per month, and he was making an insane amount of money, so they ban him outright.

00:34:48.000 Nick Fuente starts getting really popular.

00:34:49.000 They ban him outright.

00:34:50.000 All of a sudden, then you have several high-profile, prominent conservatives who were friends with Trump flip and now all adopt similar positions around the exact same time.

00:35:01.000 Now, I will say it's entirely possible that there is a global or cultural zeitgeist where this is the content that makes money.

00:35:08.000 This is what people are going to chase.

00:35:09.000 So you can call Tucker, Megan, Candace, and whoever else grifters who are just trying to make money.

00:35:14.000 And maybe that's really just what it is.

00:35:16.000 But I do think it's interesting that they all shift their positions at the exact same time, despite being friends with the Trump family and the administration.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, but it feels like the way you're talking about it, I feel slightly negatively, I guess, about this.

00:35:26.000 Like I'm curious from a conservative side, like when you guys hear like that the conservatives are maybe, let's just say all this, this is true.

00:35:34.000 How do you guys as conservatives feel about that happening within your movement?

00:35:38.000 Well, it sounds like we're living on borrowed time then.

00:35:41.000 In what way?

00:35:41.000 Like what do you think?

00:35:42.000 No, this is it.

00:35:43.000 The whole MAGA is on the bottom.

00:35:44.000 No, this is it.

00:35:45.000 This is where it borrows.

00:35:48.000 This show, this independence that we have to have alternative voices, we're living on borrowed time then.

00:35:54.000 I think we were always living on borrowed time. 0.72

00:35:56.000 I think the idea that there would ever truly be a permanent decentralized network of commentary and podcasts was silly.

00:36:03.000 I mean, in 2018, they were banning people left and right and then lying about it.

00:36:07.000 In 2020, you couldn't even say, I don't know if we need masks.

00:36:11.000 You'd get banned for it.

00:36:13.000 You couldn't even say, I think the virus may have come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is a mile away from the wet market. 0.91

00:36:18.000 They'd ban you for that too. 0.87

00:36:20.000 So we've dealt with wave after wave of censorship, and we've only had in the past couple of years a semblance of some kind of free speech.

00:36:27.000 But just really quick, but do you believe if even if that happens, the opposite must take place too, sooner or later?

00:36:35.000 What do you mean?

00:36:35.000 A cause and effect.

00:36:37.000 What do you mean?

00:36:38.000 Meaning before Trump, you had the media the way that it was.

00:36:42.000 But because of that, Trump comes along and the opposite happens.

00:36:46.000 Will that happen again?

00:36:47.000 Well, it depends on the change in media, right?

00:36:50.000 So we had, there's a couple of theories on it.

00:36:54.000 So I'm actually friends with the individual who started Obama's Facebook campaigning, which many contribute to his victory.

00:37:02.000 He's mobilizing young people on social media.

00:37:04.000 And the perception is, or at least what this individual has told me, when the campaign was told to use social media, this is, again, this is like 2007, 2008.

00:37:13.000 Like no one really knows what's going on with it, but young people are on it.

00:37:17.000 The older crowd, the boomers, and the Gen X were like, why does this matter? 1.00

00:37:21.000 And it's kind of like the blockbuster phenomenon.

00:37:23.000 They take a look at, actually, let me phrase it like this.

00:37:28.000 You can't move until it's too late, right?

00:37:30.000 So Blockbuster, for instance, is the biggest game in town in video rentals.

00:37:34.000 Netflix, I believe Netflix was founded before Google was.

00:37:37.000 It was like 1997 or something.

00:37:39.000 And they originally would mail DVDs to you.

00:37:42.000 It was kind of weird.

00:37:42.000 Like Game Fly or something like that?

00:37:44.000 And well, that was, I don't know if that was the same company.

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:46.000 But then they had some streaming on their website, but some movies were only available for distribution.

00:37:55.000 Netflix apparently was like, buy us, Blockbuster.

00:37:57.000 And Blockbuster was like, no.

00:37:59.000 The issue is 80% of video rentals are at the video store.

00:38:04.000 And so Blockbuster is saying, look, we may be shrinking, but we are not going to allocate resources at a lower margin to a new market.

00:38:12.000 No one does.

00:38:13.000 So the same thing is true for the internet.

00:38:14.000 The powers that be look at the internet and say, listen, we're getting 20 million viewers per night on CNN.

00:38:20.000 Why should we bother with Facebook?

00:38:22.000 And then two years later, it's 10 million.

00:38:24.000 Then two years later, it's 5 million.

00:38:26.000 And then all of a sudden, Alex Jones is dictating policy effectively.

00:38:30.000 And so that is one theory that we went through this period.

00:38:34.000 We've gone through multiple periods where you had, as I mentioned, the Napster phase where music was basically free.

00:38:39.000 Then they wrapped it up into subscriptions and they got their money back.

00:38:42.000 Then you had mega upload where movies were free.

00:38:44.000 Then they wrapped it up into subscription services or Amazon.

00:38:47.000 And now they got their money back.

00:38:49.000 Now you have the political commentary and social media space where people are affecting the political worldview and they're going to wrap that back up, put in a subscription service and get their power back.

00:38:58.000 But so I guess I'm still, I feel like I'm not going to get an answer to this.

00:39:02.000 If I heard this, like my own side, people that I supported to some degree, are moving in such a way to further crush free speech and control the narrative, my answer goes, that's not good.

00:39:15.000 I like free speech.

00:39:16.000 So I think you guys, that's like what you're big on in the show.

00:39:19.000 So how do you feel about that?

00:39:21.000 Like, I feel like the answer isn't, well, guess we roll over and like take it up the bum.

00:39:24.000 It is what it is.

00:39:25.000 How do you guys feel about the fact that in many ways it sounds like you're hearing that your own side that in many ways you support my own side?

00:39:31.000 Well, you've supported Tulsi Gabber now.

00:39:32.000 I would argue that the establishment powers and the millionaires and the billionaires have never been anyone's side other than the elites in the power.

00:39:39.000 But you supported Trump, right?

00:39:41.000 And you've supported his selection of administration.

00:39:43.000 I'm saying all of that.

00:39:43.000 It may actually be that it's all one big happy family tree, Sony.

00:39:47.000 That's actually really the argument.

00:39:48.000 It might be like the free speech crushing might be good for us?

00:39:51.000 No, They're all basically saying, why are we fighting?

00:39:55.000 Let's just be rich and control this.

00:39:57.000 What do we need to do?

00:39:58.000 And that seems bad, right?

00:39:59.000 Yes, it's nice.

00:40:00.000 But how do you guys feel about that?

00:40:01.000 Being bad.

00:40:02.000 That's your side.

00:40:03.000 That's what you guys want to do.

00:40:05.000 I beg you, but what do you guys want to do?

00:40:07.000 But again, why do you keep saying your side?

00:40:10.000 Because I'm not on the right.

00:40:11.000 I don't support it.

00:40:12.000 But the media companies are not on our side and never have been.

00:40:15.000 Sure, I understand.

00:40:16.000 They are not on the right either.

00:40:18.000 Sure, but Warner Brothers is not.

00:40:20.000 Can I respond?

00:40:21.000 Because if I'm going to be 2v1, I have to be able to respond.

00:40:23.000 No, no, no, no.

00:40:24.000 You have made an accusation over and over again that the corporate media is on the right.

00:40:27.000 It is not correct.

00:40:28.000 I've never said that the corporate media is not.

00:40:29.000 He's just said it's your side doing it as we're talking about.

00:40:31.000 Your side is purchasing podcasts.

00:40:34.000 No, no, no, no.

00:40:35.000 What you said is Marco Rubio will be the one that Ellis is in support.

00:40:38.000 Tulsi Gabber will be the moderate, slightly pro-war, but not totally pro-war.

00:40:42.000 She's the controlled opposition that they're putting forward. 0.73

00:40:45.000 But all this is being organized in many ways, it sounds like, by people who are supporting Republicans in behind Republicans and believed in the Republican vision.

00:40:52.000 So what you're saying is a lot of people that in many ways were part of your coalition, whether you like them or not, are in many ways now moving against your own selves to crush free speech.

00:41:02.000 And my question is, what do you do about that?

00:41:04.000 If your theory is true?

00:41:06.000 No idea.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, I don't think there is an answer to that.

00:41:09.000 I would say I don't know.

00:41:10.000 Support opposition, right?

00:41:12.000 Support people who want corporate PAC money out of things.

00:41:15.000 But the actual reality is supporting opposition is supporting people that want to jail people that supported Trump, right?

00:41:23.000 And people that would speak out against the Revolutionary Programs.

00:41:27.000 Phil, let's talk about the story from Fox News.

00:41:30.000 Pritzker pushes prosecutions of Trump officials as part of Democrats' Project 2029 agenda.

00:41:36.000 So this seems to be the world that we're looking at.

00:41:39.000 Some kind of elite civil war that's been going on for some time.

00:41:42.000 The powers that be, let me just start the segment by saying this.

00:41:47.000 If you believe that the Trump side of things has not been preparing for the world after Trump, I've got a bridge to sell you.

00:41:56.000 At the same time, if you believe Democrats are not preparing for a strategy to win, then I've got a bridge, another bridge.

00:42:04.000 In fact, I got seven.

00:42:04.000 I got two of them, actually.

00:42:05.000 You can have all of them for one great discount.

00:42:08.000 It looks like the Democrat strategy that exists today is lock them up and destroy their lives civilly.

00:42:16.000 The Republican play seems to be we need to create.

00:42:21.000 There's three spaces right now.

00:42:23.000 The Democrats hate the right, the Republicans hate the left, and the middle-of-the-road people are flickering left and right on various issues.

00:42:30.000 Sometimes they lean left on a lot of issues.

00:42:33.000 They've been leaning around a lot of issues.

00:42:34.000 And so the play is: how can we make the left and the right, the moderates are the left, and the Republicans are the right.

00:42:40.000 And then the Democrats and the progressives just are not strong enough as a coalition to actually win anything.

00:42:46.000 The Democratic Party will then have no choice but depend on moderates.

00:42:49.000 The Trump administration will then be safe.

00:42:51.000 Or I should say Trump officials after 2029 will not have to worry about whatever this thing is that Democrats are planning to do.

00:42:59.000 I just want to go back to one thing.

00:43:01.000 So would you agree with control opposition if it meant getting rid of stuff like this?

00:43:08.000 Me?

00:43:11.000 I am never for the erasure of liberal fundamentals.

00:43:15.000 No, we don't.

00:43:16.000 That's not fundamentals.

00:43:17.000 That's lawfare.

00:43:19.000 Well, crushing free speech isn't good either.

00:43:22.000 Well, this could be a weaponization of the DOJ.

00:43:25.000 This could be legitimate prosecutions.

00:43:26.000 The idea that this will not turn into a witch hunt is kind of immediately literally said, if we can't get them criminally, then we'll get them civilly.

00:43:34.000 DeSantis, if it is the case that they've done something wrong, right?

00:43:37.000 No, no, no, no.

00:43:38.000 That's not what civilly means.

00:43:40.000 Well, civilly can mean that you can't just like, you can't just brutally.

00:43:43.000 It means I will purport you did something wrong, but you didn't because you'd go to jail if you did something wrong, right?

00:43:48.000 Civil is a dispute between two individual parties and they're going to bog you down in court and drain your funds.

00:43:54.000 Sure.

00:43:55.000 Civilly is a threat of lawfare explicitly.

00:43:57.000 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 I don't know much about Project 2029.

00:44:00.000 So it really depends on what it actually comes to be forming.

00:44:03.000 But in general, I'm not a big fan of large group pre-presidential plans like Project 2025 that get built up by a bunch of self-interested think tanks.

00:44:14.000 Right, right, well, I don't like any of these things.

00:44:18.000 But I'm just posing a question.

00:44:19.000 But you guys are saying, I guess we roll over for the control.

00:44:23.000 You guys said, I don't know what we do.

00:44:24.000 And I said, well, it doesn't mean roll over.

00:44:26.000 Well, what do you do?

00:44:27.000 Well, you continue to do the same thing.

00:44:29.000 It's possible that you can identify something as wrong without knowing what to do.

00:44:33.000 I agree.

00:44:33.000 I agree, but I feel like they're rolling over.

00:44:35.000 That's kind of the point.

00:44:35.000 That's the exact thing that comes to mind.

00:44:37.000 There's nothing that we go, what is the way?

00:44:39.000 How do we look for, for example, in the upcoming elections, regardless of party, the candidates who we think that's somebody that we can get him behind?

00:44:49.000 And how do we leave behind these party ties to get good officials?

00:44:53.000 Right.

00:44:53.000 I'm going to go back to what Devoray just said.

00:44:55.000 And you know what?

00:44:58.000 There's a certain point where I learned this from the left, the Karl Popper meme.

00:45:03.000 I learned this from them.

00:45:04.000 And you know what?

00:45:05.000 I think they were right.

00:45:07.000 Sometimes you cannot tolerate intolerance.

00:45:10.000 And so we should use every means at our disposal to make sure anyone who threatens this is removed or barred from power.

00:45:16.000 Well, what about your current president weaponizing the DOJ against Jerome Powell and having multiple subpoenas blocked by federal cases?

00:45:22.000 Are we a police?

00:45:24.000 I'm going to say, I'm going to repeat literally what I just said.

00:45:26.000 And I saw this comic book about Karl Popper where the left argued, use whatever means necessary to stop your political opponents.

00:45:33.000 And for years, I and many others said, well, we shouldn't resort to that.

00:45:37.000 And then we got beaten to a pulp.

00:45:38.000 And I said, you know what?

00:45:39.000 They were right about that.

00:45:41.000 So if someone's punching you in the face, sooner or later, you got to say, stop.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, I started my career in 2022, and I started fighting other lefties who said the Republicans are ontologically evil.

00:45:50.000 To them, we can do no bad things.

00:45:52.000 And I said, that's evil.

00:45:54.000 That is evilness.

00:45:55.000 We're already giving up the game.

00:45:57.000 I still say that.

00:45:58.000 If there are certain Democrats that want to break liberalism, that want to break more of the Constitution to get retribution to the conservatives that they are mad at, I am opposed to that fundamentally.

00:46:09.000 And I always have to say that.

00:46:10.000 Well, I want to make this a bit more.

00:46:12.000 So it's DeSantis that made anti-Semitism speech laws in Florida, so conservatives will limit the First MMA.

00:46:18.000 I agree, right?

00:46:18.000 This is why I think being a party diehard in either direction is really dangerous, right?

00:46:23.000 But I think we have to look at, okay, if we know that Trump is already weaponizing the DOJ and you guys agree that that's bad, right?

00:46:29.000 And we go, that's not a good thing.

00:46:31.000 I don't know if the next thing is we go, well, if they're moving towards a Marco Rubio who also wants to crush free speech and they're already actively right now weaponizing the DOJ, I don't know the answer shouldn't be, well, I just don't know.

00:46:42.000 Well, no, let me ask you a purely hypothetical.

00:46:44.000 Sure.

00:46:45.000 There are two people with guns pointed at each other.

00:46:48.000 You have a button that if you press it, their guns will disintegrate.

00:46:51.000 Do you press it?

00:46:56.000 Yes, if this isn't, I just don't know if this is analogous to the situation.

00:46:59.000 Do you want to tell me how it's analogous?

00:47:00.000 Yeah, the point is we have two powerful political factions that are escalating the attacks against each other.

00:47:06.000 And do you stop them?

00:47:09.000 Or do you just say, no, no, no, no, let them all keep doing this?

00:47:12.000 Like, the Democrats might win, and then they're going to weaponize everything.

00:47:15.000 Trump's weaponizing everything.

00:47:16.000 Just let it keep happening.

00:47:18.000 Why do we shut it down?

00:47:19.000 What we do, for example, is like recognize that a democracy needs a strong left and a strong right.

00:47:24.000 This is why when I'm in a lot of liberal spaces, when, for example, like Ben Shapiro is standing up saying there do have to be lines of who's in the tent, we go, that's good, right?

00:47:34.000 I don't have to like any of Ben Shapiro's policies.

00:47:37.000 You guys, I don't know how you feel about Dun Trio.

00:47:38.000 I'm not saying you have to, but we have to look at people who are saying, we must play by the rules of the Constitution if you believe in democracy.

00:47:46.000 And if you think that this nation's beautiful experiment of America is something worth fighting for, and you have to find the politicians and the speakers and the pundits who do this.

00:47:56.000 I just want to ask you something.

00:47:57.000 Like, you've studied a lot of philosophy, right?

00:48:00.000 No, no, no.

00:48:00.000 Today?

00:48:01.000 I just mean like you talk.

00:48:03.000 You make a lot of references to philosophers.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, you know, this question.

00:48:06.000 I love philosophy.

00:48:07.000 So you bring up the Constitution, but you must be aware that that is not an argument to anything you're saying.

00:48:14.000 Let me just elaborate.

00:48:15.000 First Amendment.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, blasphemy was illegal when the First Amendment was ratified.

00:48:20.000 Is this just the argument you can amend a will?

00:48:23.000 The left's idea of what is protected under the Constitution is fundamentally different from the right.

00:48:28.000 And how each culture interprets the Constitution determines whether or not they believe it's being adhered to.

00:48:34.000 So when you say we must adhere to the Constitution, which one?

00:48:39.000 I would say this is where the Rawls Veils of Ignorance is so useful: you go, imagine you're in a society and you can't know where you're going to fall.

00:48:47.000 What are the rules that you want in place?

00:48:51.000 Well, I want due process.

00:48:54.000 Agreed.

00:48:55.000 Define due process.

00:48:55.000 Right.

00:48:56.000 Due process means that you are assumed not guilty until proven otherwise.

00:49:01.000 That is not what due process means.

00:49:02.000 Okay, due process, that's part of all of due process.

00:49:05.000 Due process is pushing against allegations against you.

00:49:08.000 No, Okay, just I'm going to clarify for you.

00:49:12.000 Due process refers to the legal process an individual of their particular circumstances are due under the law.

00:49:17.000 Fair under the law.

00:49:19.000 That doesn't mean innocent until proven guilty because due process can refer to civil cases all the same.

00:49:23.000 Okay.

00:49:24.000 It can refer to executive branch decisions.

00:49:26.000 I want both of these things then.

00:49:27.000 I want due process and I want an assumption of non-guilty.

00:49:31.000 Once again, when you say due process, it means something different to the left than it means to the right.

00:49:38.000 Yes, but it also still means some level of both saying we want fair treatment.

00:49:43.000 I agree that.

00:49:44.000 Let's pause for a second.

00:49:45.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:49:46.000 I agree that principally the left and the right are going to fight about the way that that policy plays out.

00:49:51.000 But at least we can both agree that that policy matters.

00:49:54.000 Whereas right now we're moving in a direction where we're saying, well, maybe free speech doesn't matter.

00:49:58.000 And I would say we might have different interpretations of what free speech should be practiced in.

00:50:02.000 First and foremost.

00:50:02.000 Free speech must matter.

00:50:03.000 The best example is the current process due to an illegal immigrant who has an order for deportation is to be taken into custody and immediately deported. 0.59

00:50:13.000 The left argues the process that should be due is a judicial hearing where he can argue his case.

00:50:19.000 Yes.

00:50:20.000 But that is not the legal due process for an illegal immigrant.

00:50:23.000 Don't believe that this is true.

00:50:24.000 It is absolutely correct.

00:50:25.000 The executive Congress has deleted all powers on immigration to the INA to the executive branch, and that's why the executive branch has executed.

00:50:31.000 Talk to Pisco about this.

00:50:32.000 That's why the executive branch has executive branch courts. 1.00

00:50:35.000 There are judges that are not, that's why the left has been saying judicial warrant all the time.

00:50:40.000 Because the executive branch can issue an administrative warrant under Congress.

00:50:43.000 Sure, but the issue is you're saying, look at these are ways that we can interpret due process differently.

00:50:48.000 That's not an interpretation.

00:50:49.000 That's the law right now.

00:50:50.000 Regardless, what I'm saying to you is, are you saying that we don't have due process as a principle at least that we're not going to be able to do that?

00:50:57.000 I am saying that what the left considers due process is incongruous with what the law actually says.

00:51:03.000 What conclusion can we possibly take from that claim, Clinton?

00:51:06.000 When a leftist says, I want due process, we must ask them, what do you mean by that?

00:51:12.000 And then you come to discover the left and the right have completely different worldviews on what that word actually means.

00:51:17.000 Answer is, we can't, we actually can't do democracy anymore.

00:51:21.000 No, is that your answer?

00:51:22.000 Okay, Kathy Newman.

00:51:24.000 Don't cry, Kathy Newman.

00:51:26.000 Don't call me Kathy Newman.

00:51:28.000 Hold on.

00:51:29.000 I'm trying to say, Tim, stake a position.

00:51:31.000 What are you saying?

00:51:33.000 Because I'm talking about democracy.

00:51:34.000 I'm talking about the values that we hold, which is what the Constitution is.

00:51:38.000 Devorah.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:51:40.000 It is democracy, what you are describing, where one side is interpreting the U.S. Constitution differently than the other side.

00:51:47.000 And we fight about it, and we often have to engage in some level of compromise.

00:51:50.000 That's the point.

00:51:50.000 The conservatives want to conserve, which is their role.

00:51:53.000 Except when both sides are getting too extreme to the point where it's going to rip this country apart.

00:51:57.000 I agree. 0.97

00:51:57.000 And they're going to shoot each other. 0.97

00:51:58.000 I agree. 0.99

00:51:59.000 I agree.

00:51:59.000 And so the question that I still have to pose as people who want to at least agree with these principles of free speech, of due process, though the way that I think of free speech and the limits that we have around it might be different than you, we still both value free speech.

00:52:13.000 And I say, how many you?

00:52:15.000 Of course we do.

00:52:16.000 Of course you value free speech.

00:52:17.000 And of course I value free speech.

00:52:19.000 You don't think so?

00:52:20.000 I absolutely do not.

00:52:21.000 I absolutely do not.

00:52:22.000 Maybe with the pandemic they want to shut us down, but I think we're going to go to like root philosophical moral philosophies.

00:52:33.000 A society, a social body with a shared moral worldview can agree we all believe in free speech.

00:52:40.000 Then they ratify it in their Constitution and arrest anyone who says Jesus is not Lord.

00:52:46.000 That's not free speech by today's standards.

00:52:48.000 At the same time, the left that says we want free speech has arrested people for hate speech far and wide.

00:52:55.000 There's a guy who got arrested for rap lyrics on Facebook.

00:52:57.000 The right has argued, no, we should be allowed to say these things.

00:53:01.000 We should be allowed to post rap lyrics.

00:53:02.000 There is not a unified moral view on what free speech is, and there never has been.

00:53:07.000 Sure, but the Second Amendment has never historically meant that anyone anywhere can carry guns.

00:53:14.000 It meant the federal government couldn't impose a law over the states to stop an individual from carrying a weapon.

00:53:19.000 But routinely in the 1800s, men would run on horseback in a town and the sheriff would say, hand over your guns.

00:53:25.000 The view of what is the Constitution shifts dramatically all the time.

00:53:30.000 Of course.

00:53:31.000 And the left and the right are so divergent in this, it's extreme.

00:53:34.000 Sure, but that doesn't mean that these things can't be unified.

00:53:37.000 I guess my question to you is, what's the conclusion from what you're saying?

00:53:40.000 The right Constitution I would define as the traditional American Constitutional Republic, and the left constitution is a multicultural democracy.

00:53:49.000 So I don't care what words are used by each other, but they are entirely advocating for two different worlds.

00:53:54.000 It has come to the point where they are threatening force against each other and exercising that.

00:53:59.000 I believe we should, whatever means necessarily to stop this escalation needs to occur.

00:53:59.000 Yes.

00:54:05.000 Unfortunately, neither side will back off.

00:54:08.000 That means if Donald Trump pulls a move with powerful investors and billionaires to create a new Democrat-Republican spectrum, the progressives are not simply going to say, guess we lose. 0.53

00:54:19.000 They're going to get guns and they're going to go shoot people. 0.94

00:54:22.000 Sure. 0.97

00:54:22.000 I don't know what the off-ramp is for all of this, but I can tell you, when Pritzker is saying we will arrest, and if we can't, we'll destroy you civilly. 0.97

00:54:29.000 Okay.

00:54:30.000 Did you know that right now, there's a hilarious story from SFK, hundreds of millionaires, and this meant like hundreds, this is a large number, there are services that exist to facilitate the exodus from this country right now because of things like that.

00:54:46.000 It is not a question of if you are a political player. 0.99

00:54:49.000 There is a fear among high net worth individuals that the Democrats are going to Bolshevik your ass. 0.99

00:54:54.000 Sure, even if you are neutral. 0.98

00:54:56.000 On the left, when Project 2025 came out, it was the exact same type of terror and fear because both of them were.

00:55:04.000 Project 2025 had a lot of things that a lot of the left viewed shrinking of rights.

00:55:09.000 Many political, wealthy individuals are fleeing, not Republicans, because they fear that the Democrats are going to swing the hammer against anyone.

00:55:17.000 They fear both sides are going to be killed.

00:55:19.000 further radicalized.

00:55:20.000 No, they fear it because the ballot measure in California, because of what's going on in Washington state, and because there's Ro Khanna and Bernie Sanders talking about that same kind of policy nationwide.

00:55:33.000 So this is the thing that I'm trying to, I'm getting confused by.

00:55:36.000 You keep on saying this situation at hand and that both parties are going to ramp up and ramp up and round up and we're basically engaging in like brinksmanship.

00:55:45.000 And I'm saying to you, what's the conclusion that we take from that?

00:55:49.000 Well, my conclusion is I don't want a civil war because I don't want a bunch of mostly young men dying for this.

00:55:55.000 I think that that's the worst outcome.

00:55:57.000 I look at this and I go, this is the issue.

00:56:01.000 That's not the answer because both sides insist.

00:56:04.000 Well, one of the things that can't be the answer is insisting that it's just the left or insisting that it's just the right.

00:56:10.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:56:11.000 So who is going to lay down their arms?

00:56:13.000 I'm trying to.

00:56:15.000 So the answer is fairly obvious, isn't it?

00:56:17.000 It's actually not.

00:56:19.000 You think that these Trump officials are going to be like, guess I go to jail?

00:56:22.000 No, no, no.

00:56:23.000 I don't think Trump officials are going to change, but there might be noble, meaningful, good conservative Republicans.

00:56:30.000 That's terrifying that you believe that and you've been supporting that side.

00:56:33.000 Who said supporting what side?

00:56:35.000 You are obviously supporting Trump.

00:56:37.000 You obviously support conservatives.

00:56:39.000 What does that do with what we're talking about?

00:56:40.000 Because you said that none of this matters, any rule of law, any values of what we've built our system and constitution on.

00:56:47.000 Yes, we are talking about these things.

00:56:49.000 I'm talking about the same thing.

00:56:50.000 I'm saying there are two distinct factions that are ready to tear each other to shreds and nothing's going to stop it.

00:56:54.000 And I'm saying if that is the exact belief that makes it inevitable so.

00:57:00.000 And both sides are saying that right now.

00:57:02.000 I'm trying to say, I want to put my gun down.

00:57:05.000 That's why I talked to you guys.

00:57:06.000 No, no, no, I get what you're saying.

00:57:08.000 I just think the reality is it's going to happen because that is the life cycle of a country.

00:57:13.000 Listen, listen, not a single Republican will ever tolerate trans kids. 1.00

00:57:17.000 It's not happening.

00:57:18.000 They don't have to in their statement.

00:57:19.000 I just remember that.

00:57:21.000 Let me give you an example that I've cited quite a bit.

00:57:23.000 Oklahoma has banned abortion outright.

00:57:27.000 Colorado has passed abortion to the point of birth for any reasons, elective.

00:57:32.000 A potential scenario that I've given would be a woman is six months pregnant and she lives not too far from the border of Colorado. 0.99

00:57:39.000 She decides, so in her mind, she says, this man is abusive and I have this child with him.

00:57:44.000 It's going to be a world of nightmarish pain and it could be harmful to the child.

00:57:47.000 I can't bring a child into this world.

00:57:48.000 So she flees.

00:57:49.000 The man's perspective is, I am not abused.

00:57:52.000 I've never touched her. 0.98

00:57:53.000 And she just kidnapped my child to kill him and she doesn't need to. 1.00

00:57:57.000 So what happens when she seeks to cross that border to get an abortion? 1.00

00:58:00.000 You have two states with polar opposite worldviews.

00:58:04.000 It will not be tolerated.

00:58:05.000 We already saw, I think it might have been Arkansas, they tried to have a woman hunted down because she fled the state with a friend to get an abortion.

00:58:14.000 And they said, it might not have been Ark, I can't remember which date it was.

00:58:16.000 They said that it was a conspiracy to break the law and therefore they needed to stop her.

00:58:21.000 Sure.

00:58:21.000 At what point, I mean, maybe the argument is that a kid gets taken by a stranger and brought to Washington to get a sex change and the parents go, well, that's life, I guess.

00:58:33.000 I don't see that as being a reality.

00:58:34.000 I think the parents are going to be like, lock and load, mother, we're going to town.

00:58:38.000 Sure, I agree.

00:58:39.000 The issue is that the idea that our country, like, it sounds like what you're saying is the conclusion that you're saying is our country isn't going to continue to exist as a democracy as we've known it.

00:58:49.000 And I'm saying.

00:58:49.000 It isn't a democracy.

00:58:51.000 Whatever version of America that we have now.

00:58:52.000 No, I'm not making a semantic debate over constitutional republicanism.

00:58:55.000 I'm saying since Trump's election, we have not functioned in any real democracy.

00:58:59.000 And one could argue that we haven't since the liberal economic order.

00:59:02.000 My point is, Donald Trump wins, and they claimed for years he was propped up by Russia, even arguing the votes were flipped by Russia, and then launched an investigation and ultimately impeached him.

00:59:13.000 Then when Trump loses in 2020, the right says Joe Biden, the Democrats, stole the election.

00:59:18.000 There is no belief on either side that there is a functioning democracy right now.

00:59:23.000 Sure, but part of that comes down to we are under threat.

00:59:28.000 When you look at Russia Gate, for example, there weren't connections that could be made to Trump, but there were, I believe, 12 Russian individuals that were arrested, that had been found to hack multiple sites, and that were actually engaging.

00:59:38.000 And how many Ukrainians did we arrest for manipulating the election in favor of Clinton?

00:59:43.000 I'm not sure.

00:59:44.000 Do you know the answer?

00:59:45.000 Hold on.

00:59:45.000 Zero.

00:59:46.000 Did they get investigated?

00:59:47.000 Yes.

00:59:48.000 And instead, they arrested Paul Manafort instead of the Ukrainians.

00:59:51.000 And then Joe Paul Manafort?

00:59:51.000 Was he guilty?

00:59:53.000 I don't know.

00:59:53.000 Was he?

00:59:54.000 I'm not sure.

00:59:55.000 Again, it's going to fall back to when the Democrats took power, knowing that they'd been propped up by the Ukrainians, they arrested a Trump ally and then told us he was guilty. 0.75

01:00:02.000 And if you're a Trump supporter, you're going to say, that's full of, that's BS.

01:00:06.000 No one will believe it.

01:00:07.000 Sure, but you already basically said after J6, democracy's basically.

01:00:12.000 Before J6.

01:00:12.000 I mean, J-6 was a product of people believing democracy was over.

01:00:16.000 And so the question is, the conclusion cannot be, and maybe you just want to, I guess, toss the country to the wolves and say it's over.

01:00:16.000 Sure.

01:00:23.000 I don't think that that's what we should fight for because a lot of good people inside.

01:00:26.000 I don't think it's over.

01:00:27.000 just think this has to play itself out ultimately.

01:00:30.000 And again, going back to what Tim said, if If a president of the United States, along with his CIA director and other ICs, are making up manufactured intelligence to try to prosecute someone who's trying to get elected as president, yeah, I don't think we have a...

01:00:44.000 We don't have a democracy.

01:00:45.000 I mean, they raided Trump's home.

01:00:46.000 We don't have a democracy.

01:00:48.000 They fabricated evidence and took pictures of it.

01:00:50.000 We don't have a democracy.

01:00:52.000 Were they investigated and found guilty for it and tried?

01:00:54.000 Can we look that up?

01:00:55.000 No, they weren't.

01:00:56.000 They went to Trump's house.

01:00:57.000 That's the point.

01:00:57.000 Went through his presidential, his daily logs, found a series of things they determined to be classified, and then put fake classification papers on top of it, took a picture of it.

01:01:06.000 Okay, and so.

01:01:07.000 And then told the American people Trump had classified documents.

01:01:10.000 They were his daily briefings. 0.98

01:01:12.000 These people are evil.

01:01:13.000 Ask her about this. 0.79

01:01:14.000 Just the left?

01:01:15.000 I didn't say just the left.

01:01:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:01:16.000 I said the people who raided Trump's home and fabricated evidence to put him in prison are evil.

01:01:21.000 Sure.

01:01:22.000 Yeah.

01:01:22.000 If that occurred in the way that you describe it, yes, I would be opposed to these things.

01:01:26.000 I'm not granting you that necessary at all.

01:01:29.000 When did we ever have Ukraine gate?

01:01:30.000 Why don't we spend $30 million on a Mueller probe to investigate the Ukrainians who interfered in the election? 0.90

01:01:36.000 Donald Trump was the only presidential candidate to do this.

01:01:39.000 2017.

01:01:39.000 It's a good question.

01:01:40.000 Donald Trump was the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials from a former Soviet bloc country.

01:01:45.000 Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton to undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.

01:01:51.000 They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aid in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter only to back away after the election.

01:01:59.000 And they helped Clinton's allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisors.

01:02:03.000 A political investigation found.

01:02:05.000 Why didn't we ever get any of that?

01:02:07.000 That's a good question.

01:02:07.000 And you're right.

01:02:08.000 Why didn't Trump do that?

01:02:10.000 Who is willing to weaponize the DOJ now?

01:02:12.000 Trump should have locked Hillary up. 1.00

01:02:13.000 And he didn't do it because he's willing to.

01:02:15.000 Well, he should have not locked Hillary up. 0.97

01:02:17.000 He likes Hillary. 0.99

01:02:18.000 The answer isn't we should throw away due process.

01:02:21.000 The actual answer is we must demand due process.

01:02:24.000 Who said anything about throwing away due process?

01:02:26.000 Well, locking her up assumes that she wouldn't get fair process.

01:02:28.000 Criminally charged Hillary Clinton over the emails, yeah.

01:02:31.000 And then if she is found guilty in a court of law when the jury of her peers.

01:02:31.000 Sure.

01:02:35.000 So I'm advocating for due process, actually.

01:02:37.000 Yes, that she should be afraid of the fact that she's a Russia hoax. 0.55

01:02:37.000 So am I. 0.55

01:02:40.000 What happened is that many people were charged.

01:02:42.000 There were serious issues with Russia.

01:02:44.000 That was found, but there was no tight connection that could be tied to Trump, which is why he went into the United States.

01:02:49.000 So where's our due process?

01:02:50.000 No, no, no.

01:02:51.000 He was impeached over that.

01:02:53.000 He was impeached over the call to Ukraine Hillary.

01:02:56.000 And Hillary Clinton was never held accountable for classified information on a personal circuit. 0.99

01:03:00.000 Can we get our jobs?

01:03:03.000 Did he stay president until Joe Biden got elected?

01:03:07.000 What does that mean?

01:03:07.000 Well, he got impeached.

01:03:08.000 Did he get removed at the time?

01:03:10.000 He wasn't convicted, no?

01:03:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:03:12.000 Yeah, but what does that have to do with saying he got impeached?

01:03:14.000 Well, that's saying he was removed.

01:03:16.000 People can investigate.

01:03:17.000 People can make moves in office to do different things through legitimate actors, and sometimes they fail.

01:03:24.000 I'm going to step right back and just say this.

01:03:26.000 There are two political facts in this country that are tearing each other's throats out.

01:03:28.000 Nothing's going to stop them.

01:03:30.000 One side is hell-bent on engaging in psychotic evil lawfare, and the other side is crop dusting it.

01:03:37.000 Listen, I hate that.

01:03:37.000 How many people do have lives, right?

01:03:38.000 I haven't said anything to 12,000.

01:03:40.000 I just want to say, I think this is just a waste of time because it's obvious that we have a uniparty.

01:03:44.000 You can look at Donald Trump, who campaigned that he's not going to start any wars.

01:03:47.000 He started a huge war.

01:03:48.000 You can say that he was going to get rid of all the illegal immigrants. 1.00

01:03:51.000 Now he has all these multinational corporations saying we can't get rid of the illegal immigrants. 1.00

01:03:54.000 So we have a uniparty.

01:03:55.000 So this idea that it's right versus left is just meant to make us argue on the right.

01:04:01.000 I'm just telling you, I disagree.

01:04:03.000 Would you take the uniparty over a radical left who wants to lock up their political opponents?

01:04:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:11.000 100%.

01:04:12.000 Would you take the UW?

01:04:13.000 I'm giving you choice.

01:04:14.000 I'm giving you choices.

01:04:15.000 Trump has not prosecuted anybody for, you know, Anthony Fauci.

01:04:20.000 They just issued a subpoena to come the other day.

01:04:21.000 There's 130 subpoenas that went out over the grand conspiracy against Trump.

01:04:25.000 He's also subpoenaing Jerome Devil.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, but nobody's going to submit it.

01:04:27.000 He's going to dismiss me.

01:04:27.000 Yeah, but not Anthony Fauci.

01:04:29.000 I mean, they've even come out and said that there's side effects of the vaccine, even though they save ineffective YouTube.

01:04:33.000 So my point is, nobody has gone to jail for that.

01:04:36.000 And then on top of that, I know people within the Department of Justice that actually tried to go after the people that put together the January 6th committee, and they don't even want to, the DOJ's not going to prosecute the DOJ.

01:04:46.000 Maybe it was just your big happy family tree, son.

01:04:48.000 John Eastman's emails are horrifying.

01:04:50.000 If you read through John Eastman and J6, he is explicitly saying, hey, Trump, by the way, I need to be on the pardon list.

01:04:56.000 And multiple aides have already testified that they told John Eastman that what you're doing is illegal, but what's happened to him?

01:05:02.000 Nothing.

01:05:03.000 I agree that there are problems and that we need to correct the system, but the answer to this isn't just accept more erasure for liberal rights.

01:05:11.000 No one said that.

01:05:11.000 I'm not saying that you're saying that.

01:05:13.000 The problem is that your conclusion is there's nothing we can do about it.

01:05:16.000 But I guess I would ask: how many people are alive right now?

01:05:19.000 27,000.

01:05:20.000 Okay.

01:05:21.000 27,000 people is a lot of people.

01:05:23.000 That means your voice really matters.

01:05:26.000 So what can 20,000 people theoretically do if they want to further strengthen actual liberal institutions?

01:05:26.000 Sure.

01:05:35.000 I think they should.

01:05:37.000 I can tell you got that troll fixed on.

01:05:38.000 Go to Casper.com and join our Discord community.

01:05:41.000 Casper.com and get some coffee.

01:05:44.000 Do you see coffee prices are going through the roof because of the war, Tim?

01:05:46.000 Did you see that?

01:05:47.000 Has it affected Casper?

01:05:48.000 Our prices are unaffected.

01:05:49.000 Okay, good.

01:05:50.000 Well, you can get some big booty Latina love potion at the same low price it's always been Casper.com no I think I think Alex I'll give you a little pushback the reason why they're dropping the mass deportation thing is because they're losing Hispanic voters this is what the internal this is what they're saying bro it's because of the when this first started he literally said we're not going to uh we're not going to do workers in Hospital and hotel workers.

01:06:14.000 Trump owns hotels.

01:06:15.000 And he's got allies and businessmen who are like, hey, we don't want to do this.

01:06:19.000 You also have the political class saying the Hispanic vote for Republicans has dropped dramatically because they don't like the ICE raids and DHS.

01:06:28.000 That's why they pulled out of Minnesota.

01:06:30.000 I was right through those ICE raids.

01:06:31.000 I don't agree that that means it's a uniparty.

01:06:34.000 I do agree that it means that Trump's got special interests.

01:06:36.000 Dude, you know what's a uniparty?

01:06:37.000 They can't even pass the Save Act, Tim.

01:06:39.000 No, I'm not even kidding.

01:06:40.000 They can't even pass it.

01:06:41.000 It's a good point.

01:06:42.000 It's the simplistic thing.

01:06:43.000 You don't have to show an owls in the American history.

01:06:45.000 And they can't even pass that because there's Republicans who are saying, oh, I don't know.

01:06:49.000 It's all the will for it because they're tying it to voter fraud, which just like everybody.

01:06:53.000 No, no, no, no.

01:06:54.000 There's no will for it because I agree with the Republicans and the Democrats largely are like, we like the status quo.

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:01.000 We don't want to change it. 0.99

01:07:01.000 They're going to fuck the vote. 0.99

01:07:02.000 Just like the DOJ is not going to give the DOJ. 0.99

01:07:05.000 This goes back to my point of view.

01:07:06.000 This is to the progressives' point.

01:07:08.000 This is why progressives would say we need to do things that rally against like the progressive argument, right, is to say this isn't left versus right.

01:07:16.000 The progressives reject the Democrat Party.

01:07:18.000 They say we need a complete revival where the power actually shifts back to the government.

01:07:23.000 I'm going to lay it out for you.

01:07:23.000 It's very simple.

01:07:24.000 They just also want to translate kids.

01:07:25.000 So a guy in a black hoodie with a black mask on comes up and says the government is full of corrupt politicians and I go, here, here, brother.

01:07:31.000 And then he starts waving a red and black flag.

01:07:33.000 And he says, the military-industrial complex has been waging war, killing civilians without cause for generations.

01:07:39.000 And I go, yeah, man, I hear you.

01:07:40.000 And he goes, we got to change that.

01:07:42.000 And I say, I agree.

01:07:43.000 What can we do?

01:07:43.000 He goes, we got to put in a candidate who's going to put a stop to this corruption, who's going to fix our voting systems, make sure that people's voice is heard.

01:07:49.000 And I say, well, I'm in.

01:07:50.000 What do I do? 1.00

01:07:51.000 Vote for the guy who wants to cut this girl's tits off. 1.00

01:07:53.000 And I go, huh? 1.00

01:07:54.000 Well, I'm going to walk out.

01:07:55.000 Turn around and walk off.

01:07:56.000 It's just crazy to me that your number in your pluralistic moral system of what matters most in voting, you're like, no, I couldn't.

01:08:02.000 Imagine you could overnight.

01:08:04.000 Say we could wave a wand and you could vote away corruption, but I'm right next to you.

01:08:11.000 We're transing Phil specifically.

01:08:12.000 How about control kids?

01:08:14.000 How about that?

01:08:16.000 How about like just instead of take it away from the trans topic, like how about people that are like, we don't respect property rights and we're going to expropriate your property?

01:08:23.000 Yeah, we shouldn't work with communists.

01:08:24.000 I agree.

01:08:25.000 In the same way that we shouldn't work with like Nick Fuentes, who is a theocrat.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, well, fair enough.

01:08:29.000 But that's exactly what the progressives want to do.

01:08:32.000 That's what AOC wants to do.

01:08:33.000 That's what Rokana's talking about.

01:08:34.000 That's what they're doing in Canada.

01:08:35.000 AOC is hated by the communists because she moderated and does a lot of bipartisan bills and is increasingly popular.

01:08:41.000 Just because the communists have a problem with her doesn't mean that she wouldn't institute policies that the communists want, first of all, second of all, that would also destroy the economy. 0.99

01:08:49.000 I don't believe that AOC would ever have any political will behind her to actually get away from the city. 0.95

01:08:53.000 Bernie Sanders would do that.

01:08:54.000 No.

01:08:55.000 Bernie Sanders.

01:08:56.000 Like I said, Bernie Sanders and Rokana are talking about a wealth tax, which will be a good thing. 1.00

01:09:02.000 They dislike their taxes.

01:09:03.000 They say that.

01:09:05.000 Listen, stop.

01:09:07.000 They say, like, oh, it's only for the billionaires and billionaires because Bernie's a millionaire.

01:09:12.000 But that will cause capital flight, and then it will get transferred on down to people that have a house that's worth $2 million.

01:09:19.000 If you pay your property taxes, what happens?

01:09:21.000 They see it as your bucket.

01:09:22.000 Exactly.

01:09:23.000 So you could just argue that that's already communism right there, that every year I have to pay taxes on my house and you're missing.

01:09:29.000 No, property taxes are state taxes, and you can move if you don't like it.

01:09:32.000 I'm talking about a federal tax.

01:09:34.000 That's why I mentioned Bernie Sanders and Rokana.

01:09:36.000 Sure.

01:09:37.000 So this is where federalism of America compared to Canada is really cool and that different states can have these.

01:09:43.000 No, that's why I specified federal.

01:09:45.000 Yes, I understand, but I'm moving back more towards these broader conversations of how we try to unify these two bodies, right?

01:09:52.000 And the answer is if you always will have something you prioritize just preferentially over corruption, I guess, yeah, then we're doomed.

01:10:02.000 But I guess I would say if we care about like one of the fundamental things that made this country great that has shifted over time, but is built on like certain liberal, not left, liberal values, like strong institutions, balance of power, ensuring that like the votes have integrity, that we have some level of like regulation and whatnot.

01:10:23.000 If you value some of these things, if you value free speech, right?

01:10:27.000 The miracle that is Western liberal democracies, then you have to prioritize probably some other things over other things.

01:10:35.000 Definitely vote within your state against John's kids.

01:10:37.000 But the problem is there's a difference of opinion on what those definitions are to those terms that you're using.

01:10:43.000 One side doesn't see it the same way.

01:10:46.000 So how do you fix that?

01:10:48.000 I agree that we don't see it the same way.

01:10:49.000 But here's one of the benefits of this latest kind of FCC pressuring of all these things is all of a sudden all the progressives that I was yelling at three years ago being like, actually, free speech matters even for people we disagree with, like conservatives.

01:11:02.000 Now they're going, free speech, free speech, right?

01:11:05.000 Now we're at this perfect type of position where a lot of the progressives, not just liberals, but progressives, are actually sensitive to certain, there's progressives that are 2A, right?

01:11:15.000 Like that's happening right now.

01:11:16.000 We're in this poised position.

01:11:18.000 They're wearing 2A the same way that there are fundamental rights getting removed and we're understanding why these rights mattered in the first place. 0.95

01:11:26.000 And what we shouldn't do is go, well, the billionaires are winning. 0.99

01:11:29.000 So I guess we're fucked. 0.99

01:11:31.000 Like that can't be the answer. 0.99

01:11:33.000 No, I mean, why not?

01:11:35.000 Because what's wrong if like, honest question, like, let's say the billionaires take back control and they seize media and then everybody has a homogenized worldview and everybody agrees almost on everything.

01:11:48.000 It'll be like the 90s again.

01:11:49.000 What's wrong with that?

01:11:51.000 What's wrong with the reduction of rights?

01:11:54.000 I didn't say reduction of rights.

01:11:56.000 Well, the homogenized society that we're talking about in this unipolar system is less free speech, for example, because it's a very important thing.

01:12:02.000 Okay, let's just pause again and I'll ask the question again.

01:12:05.000 The billionaires fund their politicians who win.

01:12:08.000 They take the media back over.

01:12:10.000 They buy it all up.

01:12:11.000 They put in personalities.

01:12:13.000 The country homogenizes around a similar set of worldviews with minor differences where anyone can speak their mind and say whatever they want whenever they want.

01:12:21.000 What's wrong with it?

01:12:22.000 That I have no issue with, but it sounds like the system you're outlining isn't that.

01:12:25.000 I just outlined it.

01:12:26.000 Well, when we started the show, right, you were telling us about this thing.

01:12:26.000 What do you mean?

01:12:29.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

01:12:30.000 They want to, they, they.

01:12:31.000 They're going to drown out all the chaos and the noise with AI slop.

01:12:34.000 They're going to put in their trusted personalities to create a homogenous moral worldview.

01:12:38.000 And they're going to have the same opinions no matter what.

01:12:40.000 And what happens if they're not going to be able to do that?

01:12:41.000 They're similar.

01:12:43.000 What happens if you don't agree with some of the opinions?

01:12:45.000 Like if you have a small percent of dissenters who make blogs and do their own videos on YouTube?

01:12:50.000 What if you've got a podcaster who works for CBS who like maybe has a different opinion?

01:12:53.000 Can they voice that?

01:12:56.000 Are you asking if an individual has a right to go on someone else's platform?

01:12:59.000 I'm asking.

01:12:59.000 No, no, no.

01:13:00.000 They can go say whatever they want where they are.

01:13:01.000 If you're still allowed to have free speech, are they allowed to oppose things?

01:13:05.000 But I don't have to invite you on my show if I don't like you.

01:13:08.000 That's the same thing.

01:13:08.000 Sure.

01:13:09.000 So when they buy up all the news networks, if your billionaires lead to a world where we just respect liberal constitutional values and amendments and these liberal things that I've outlined, these four things, sure, that's fine.

01:13:21.000 I'm fine with that, but it sounds like you're saying that they won't.

01:13:23.000 My point is, when there are five streaming services and every person who's hired to have shows where they get a lot of views are going to be either somewhat moderate on war or pro-war, what's like if you are an anti-war individual, they're not going to invite you on the show.

01:13:41.000 Sure.

01:13:41.000 That's not a violation of free speech.

01:13:43.000 Sure, but the system that you outlined to all of us, and my understanding, if I can go back to the case.

01:13:47.000 Is the political elites buying up podcasts?

01:13:50.000 They restructure narratives so that there's kind of the same two parties.

01:13:53.000 They've got the controlled opposition.

01:13:54.000 So that's basically everything.

01:13:57.000 They want to recreate Obama McCain.

01:14:01.000 And you know, they can do this very easily once they put in a social credit score.

01:14:04.000 You know, that is how they can basically make it.

01:14:04.000 I'm not even kidding.

01:14:07.000 Well, I think they, I mean, if they go to put that in, they just create more free social services, and then we'd all have to just behave.

01:14:14.000 The social credit score already exists.

01:14:16.000 You're keeping it.

01:14:16.000 I know, I agree.

01:14:18.000 But it will be out in the open.

01:14:19.000 It'll be like your driver's license.

01:14:20.000 You'll have to check your social credit score to go.

01:14:23.000 So that already exists.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, but I'm talking about just out in the open.

01:14:26.000 But they don't need to do it in the open.

01:14:28.000 They don't need to do it in the open.

01:14:29.000 So, for instance, there are people who have gone to social media who get shadow banned and banned instantly.

01:14:35.000 It's never changed.

01:14:36.000 Yeah.

01:14:36.000 I mean, like, TikTok does it like crazy.

01:14:38.000 That's it.

01:14:39.000 They know who you are, and they will shut down.

01:14:41.000 I mean, look, Nick Fuentez's social credit score is in the gutter.

01:14:43.000 But things do change, right?

01:14:44.000 Like, policy does change.

01:14:45.000 Like, yes, democracies have a large preferentialism for slow change, but things do change.

01:14:50.000 Like, you know, the world looks different now than it did in the 80s, even at a policy level.

01:14:54.000 I take it back.

01:14:55.000 I think we should have a forward-facing social credit score system.

01:14:57.000 If we're going to have it, it should be forward-facing.

01:14:59.000 Well, check it out.

01:15:00.000 Let me explain it like this.

01:15:01.000 Nick Fuentes is persona non grata, right?

01:15:04.000 And Richard Spencer is largely too, even though he's not really been as active in the past seven or so years.

01:15:08.000 I heard he gained a lot of weight.

01:15:09.000 You see, he's really fat.

01:15:11.000 Nick Fuentes. 0.96

01:15:12.000 Okay, he's really fat.

01:15:15.000 Nick Fuentes is banned from everywhere, and they don't care why.

01:15:18.000 If he tries to sign up for a new platform, they'll just ban him instantly.

01:15:21.000 There's no number telling anybody that he's bad.

01:15:25.000 They just say that's a scary name.

01:15:26.000 Now, imagine we had a forward-facing social credit score system, and Nick Fuentes was at a 90 out of 800.

01:15:34.000 He could do things to manifest to raise that social credit score.

01:15:38.000 And then when he applies for a PayPal, they don't immediately go, ah, Nick Fuentes.

01:15:42.000 They go, ah, Nick Fuentes, is your score your score improved?

01:15:44.000 Oh, it's a 700.

01:15:45.000 Welcome aboard.

01:15:47.000 I really don't want that.

01:15:47.000 I'm kidding.

01:15:48.000 But think about the alternative.

01:15:49.000 I think it's inevitable, though.

01:15:51.000 You guys are talking about the Black Mirror episode.

01:15:53.000 You do realize that.

01:15:54.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:15:55.000 So what is the bad side to it?

01:15:57.000 The bad side is that Black Mirror episode where her day goes bad and then her score just keeps dropping like crazy.

01:16:02.000 And then it's over for her.

01:16:03.000 China has it. 0.98

01:16:04.000 It's nuts.

01:16:05.000 Most of the population.

01:16:06.000 Most of the homeless population in China are homeless, not because of any other reason than they have a bad social credit score.

01:16:12.000 And they have a significant, I mean, there's a lot of Chinese.

01:16:15.000 What?

01:16:15.000 It's frightening.

01:16:16.000 Oh, yeah, it absolutely is.

01:16:17.000 Well, look at New York City.

01:16:18.000 Like, if you want to get an apartment in New York City, the co-op board can just basically ban you for nothing, like if they just don't like anything about you.

01:16:24.000 And so I think that that will be, whatever happens in New York, it kind of can be extrapolated to the future of our society.

01:16:29.000 So it's like we kind of already do, like Tim says, has a have a hidden social credit score.

01:16:34.000 But I think it would probably be better if we had a forward-facing one, because then at least you get some free government assistance or something, right?

01:16:40.000 Because that's why people will sign up for it because they won't have to pay as many taxes.

01:16:43.000 They'll get a free car, free gas, whatever incentive they need to make us agree to it.

01:16:48.000 But if the Trump, Rubio, Gabbard coalition that we outlined at the beginning is moving for that direction, again, my question goes, what do we do about that?

01:16:57.000 Well, so honest question, like, if the Democratic Party organically just moderated, right?

01:17:02.000 Let's say that they were just like, you know, Tulsi Gabbard is socially liberal on a bunch of things.

01:17:07.000 She's worked with Republicans, so she's got moderates on her side. 0.73

01:17:10.000 And if she genuinely won the primary, is that a bad thing?

01:17:14.000 Not my fundamental question always with any politician is what's their policy?

01:17:19.000 Right.

01:17:20.000 If she's like, I'm pro-choice, pro-progressive tax, I want universal health care.

01:17:24.000 But I like Trump.

01:17:25.000 I worked with him.

01:17:26.000 He was good to me.

01:17:27.000 We don't need to be angry, but I just disagree with him on foreign policy.

01:17:29.000 So I'm going to run.

01:17:30.000 And then she wins the primary, becomes the nominee.

01:17:32.000 Is that a good or bad thing?

01:17:33.000 Well, it would depend on, so she's flipped now Democrat, Republican, then back to Democrat.

01:17:37.000 I would need, it's kind of like this like Kamala thing of being like on County Valley of being like, remember when Kamala was like a progressive for her. 0.99

01:17:45.000 Hillary was against American.

01:17:46.000 But again, I mean, hold on, Kyle, just answer the question.

01:17:48.000 Well, I'm not sure.

01:17:49.000 If Tulsi Gabbard fipped her, which is using an example, like a comparative example, right?

01:17:54.000 So the problem that probably would happen is that Maybe.

01:17:59.000 Can I trust that she's actually telling the truth this time?

01:18:03.000 That's not the hypothetical I'm not going to do.

01:18:05.000 Well, if the politicians are not.

01:18:06.000 If she legitimately won a primary, is it a good thing?

01:18:08.000 It depends on what her policies are and if I actually can legitimately believe that she'll enact those policies.

01:18:13.000 Just say you don't care for democracy.

01:18:14.000 I do care about democracy.

01:18:15.000 Then why are you upset if someone legitimately wins an election?

01:18:19.000 Because if they're lying about their policies to win election and they don't enact anything, then they're not going to be a problem.

01:18:23.000 That's not part of the hypothetical.

01:18:24.000 You're adding things that it's not.

01:18:25.000 But that's the point of democracy is that people give up their authority to elected officials to enact their will so it's going to call it.

01:18:31.000 If you're a politician that I voted for doesn't do my will.

01:18:34.000 That is a problem.

01:18:36.000 If you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?

01:18:39.000 Hungry.

01:18:40.000 Now, why can't you answer the question about Tulsi Gabbard if she is duly elected to the primary isn't it? 0.96

01:18:45.000 I can do obnoxious, dumb, thought-ending clichés as well.

01:18:49.000 Can you answer the question?

01:18:50.000 I'm engaging in good faith, and I'm telling you why there are issues of not being analogous.

01:18:55.000 If Ron Kaperski won the Democratic primary, is it a good thing?

01:19:01.000 Potentially?

01:19:02.000 The people said we like his policy because he won.

01:19:04.000 What are his policies?

01:19:05.000 Well, I'm going to feel.

01:19:06.000 No, no.

01:19:08.000 And I don't know how I feel about it because I'm going to be happy if a politician that I like his policies has win, and I'm going to be less happy if a politician that I don't like wins it.

01:19:16.000 I think you're being naive because a lot of people are voting.

01:19:19.000 A lot of politicians give you power and don't forget to do a function of democracy for a reason, and you have no answer.

01:19:24.000 That's not a no answer.

01:19:26.000 Wait, so would you just be happy no matter who gets elected?

01:19:26.000 It is not an answer.

01:19:29.000 It is a good thing for a democracy when the people choose their leaders.

01:19:33.000 Yes.

01:19:34.000 What's the answer?

01:19:34.000 Yes, of course.

01:19:35.000 Was that hard?

01:19:36.000 So when Biden gets elected, you're happy about that.

01:19:38.000 When the people choose their leaders, okay?

01:19:40.000 When the people get elected.

01:19:42.000 I want my, I'm not talking about, I'm not going to get into specifics because you're going to create a culture war. 0.82

01:19:46.000 I'm asking you about a random, random guy named Ron Kapersky because I'm trying to roll.

01:19:51.000 Roe Ryron.

01:19:52.000 If Roe Ryron gets elected, is that okay? 0.74

01:19:54.000 Okay, what if he has mostly liberal policies?

01:19:54.000 Yes.

01:19:57.000 It doesn't matter that people voted for him.

01:19:59.000 Why is it hard for you to answer?

01:20:01.000 Because it feels like, okay, it feels like you're doing a weird thing.

01:20:04.000 No, I'm asking you a basic function of democracy status.

01:20:08.000 To lead up to the point I'm trying to make, but you refuse to answer.

01:20:11.000 What's the point that you're trying to make?

01:20:12.000 Well, I'm not refusing to answer.

01:20:14.000 I'm asking you.

01:20:14.000 You're absolutely refusing to answer.

01:20:15.000 I'm saying, would I be personally happy about it?

01:20:18.000 It depends on what the policy of the elected official is.

01:20:20.000 Am I happy that democracy is working generally?

01:20:23.000 Yes, I'm happy that democracy...

01:20:25.000 Was that so difficult?

01:20:26.000 It is difficult because I'm trying to understand.

01:20:28.000 Wait, why are you laughing?

01:20:30.000 What are we talking about?

01:20:32.000 Why are we talking about this?

01:20:33.000 I asked.

01:20:33.000 Connect it back to the greatest.

01:20:36.000 Their elected leader is a good thing, and you refused to answer.

01:20:39.000 I was the X Factor on this show, so I thought I'd come in and prove it.

01:20:42.000 Say something.

01:20:43.000 How are you guys feeling, man?

01:20:44.000 We used to rail it.

01:20:45.000 We've been talking about hypotheticals for almost two hours.

01:20:48.000 Okay, this is what we got to do.

01:20:48.000 We used to do a lot of military philosophy.

01:20:50.000 We used to do a lot of military tactics.

01:20:52.000 Now we're doing political philosophy as well because we're the strongest on the planet.

01:20:56.000 We have to figure out how to use it.

01:20:57.000 Ian, I have a question for you.

01:20:59.000 Is it a good thing if the people duly elect their chosen representative?

01:20:59.000 Okay.

01:21:04.000 What does dually mean?

01:21:04.000 Yes.

01:21:10.000 It means legitimately.

01:21:13.000 It means correctly and through fair and normal processes.

01:21:17.000 It's a transparent process that can be used for the future.

01:21:20.000 Is it used for a fair process where the people say, I like this guy, I'm voting for him and he wins.

01:21:24.000 It can be used for good or evil.

01:21:25.000 But is it good if the people choose their leader?

01:21:29.000 Well, if they choose a bad leader, you could say the process is transparent but is used for evil or good.

01:21:35.000 It's like a neutral.

01:21:36.000 I'm not talking about your opinion on the politics of the person.

01:21:38.000 I'm saying, do you think Democratic representatives are a good people choosing their leaders a good thing?

01:21:42.000 It's the least worst.

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:43.000 He wants a king, he wants a king.

01:21:45.000 King it is.

01:21:45.000 Okay, fine.

01:21:46.000 So I'm fine.

01:21:47.000 If the process is legitimate, yes.

01:21:47.000 Literally.

01:21:49.000 It is good that the person who gets the most votes through whatever system that we have, Electoral College, wins.

01:21:54.000 Yes, that's good, assuming that the election is valid.

01:21:56.000 Why were we talking about this?

01:21:58.000 Because you brought up the Gabbard Trump ticket and the billionaires backing them.

01:22:04.000 And so the question I'm asking is, if the voters did want Tulsi, is it bad that she wins?

01:22:09.000 Not necessarily, no.

01:22:11.000 That's my point.

01:22:11.000 Right.

01:22:13.000 If you look at it through the lens of political machinations, you're going to hate every politician ever.

01:22:18.000 I'm not inherently opposed to Gabbard.

01:22:20.000 What my actual position that I was outlining here that you were initially pushing back on was I was saying, well, aren't we concerned that if Gabbard is just a controlled opposition and it's not a legitimate person and she's just going to not do the policies that she runs on, I would look at that and go, that isn't as illegitimate as of democracy because then we essentially have a charlatan, right?

01:22:40.000 We have somebody who's saying, I'll do this, but she's actually just controlled by the other party and won't necessarily do that thing. 0.99

01:22:46.000 Okay, I don't want a puppet democracy all the time.

01:22:49.000 Well, to some extent, like there's actually this really interesting political theory that says all civilians to some degree assume that politicians are lying.

01:22:58.000 But we also still want politicians to enact like 60% of their policy.

01:23:01.000 Well, we're upset.

01:23:02.000 This is why people are upset with Trump.

01:23:03.000 He ran on no wars.

01:23:05.000 And now he's not doing that, which is why people are upset.

01:23:07.000 And mass deportations.

01:23:08.000 And they should be upset because he's defying what is otherwise legitimate authority that the people gave to him.

01:23:15.000 That's why people are upset.

01:23:16.000 So if Tulsi got elected and ran on what she said she would do, then that's fine.

01:23:20.000 But if Tulsi gets elected and she doesn't and she's a sellout to the other side, that's bad. 0.85

01:23:25.000 The issue that I'm largely getting to is like, there is no politician anywhere that legitimately runs.

01:23:33.000 It doesn't exist in this country.

01:23:34.000 There has to be a special interest behind them.

01:23:36.000 And when they do get elected to Congress, they have to cut a deal with like the NRCC or the Driple C. There is no such thing in this country as a duly elected representative, in my opinion.

01:23:45.000 Tucker Carlson could be.

01:23:47.000 I do not believe so.

01:23:48.000 Do you think so?

01:23:49.000 Do you think that if compromise occurs with any official, is that not legitimate?

01:23:55.000 Compromise is okay.

01:23:57.000 OK, so my point is that, like, are you anti-lobby groups?

01:24:00.000 Is that kind of what you're getting at?

01:24:01.000 Because I'll live there.

01:24:01.000 I am.

01:24:03.000 But the problem with lobbying is that people don't understand what it is.

01:24:05.000 It's like I've lobbied.

01:24:08.000 Okay.

01:24:09.000 I have lobbied inadvertently West Virginia politicians over Maha issues.

01:24:14.000 What about?

01:24:15.000 It literally was just like I was on the phone with a high-ranking member of the government in West Virginia, and the subject of Maha banning artificial dyes came up.

01:24:23.000 And I said, oh, man, I hope this happens.

01:24:25.000 And they were like, really?

01:24:27.000 And I said, I think we got to get rid of all that stuff.

01:24:29.000 And I was like, I think it would be great because if you're in PA, Ohio, Kentucky, or Maryland, or Virginia, and you know that you can drive like three miles to go to a supermarket in West Virginia and you'll have no garbage in your food, I think tons of moms are going to do it.

01:24:43.000 I think suburban moms are going to drive that fetcha three miles. 1.00

01:24:46.000 And that could be great for the economy.

01:24:47.000 I'd love for that to happen.

01:24:48.000 Next thing I know, there was a meeting between the governor and RFK Jr.

01:24:51.000 Sure.

01:24:52.000 So right, lobbying is legitimate, right?

01:24:55.000 And it is actually, it's important because, for example, corporations can't vote.

01:24:58.000 And so it's a way for corporations to still have some level of capacity.

01:25:01.000 They have all the capital capital.

01:25:02.000 Super powerful.

01:25:03.000 They have all the capacity.

01:25:04.000 Super powerful.

01:25:05.000 Let me give you a multinational corporations.

01:25:07.000 I gave you guys an example of like guys, guys.

01:25:10.000 I gave you an example of lobbying that I was going to tell you.

01:25:12.000 But I'll give you an example of actual lobbying, right?

01:25:15.000 Like how it actually works.

01:25:17.000 A guy will go and meet with a member of Congress and they'll sit down for a steak dinner and they'll be discussing policy and it's not all that crazy. 0.97

01:25:24.000 And then the lobbyists will say something like, if you don't back this bill to fund Israel, I'll release videos of you raping children. 0.84

01:25:30.000 And then they go, oh, okay, I'll vote for that bill. 0.97

01:25:33.000 And then they shake hands.

01:25:35.000 Is that legitimate?

01:25:35.000 That happens.

01:25:36.000 Is that legitimate, though, or illegitimate?

01:25:39.000 That's illegitimate, but it happens.

01:25:41.000 Is that a real question?

01:25:43.000 I'm making sure we're all on the same terms.

01:25:45.000 I'm saying, is that legitimate or illegitimate?

01:25:47.000 That is de facto illegitimate.

01:25:49.000 Because it was Israel. 0.60

01:25:49.000 Well, if it was another country, obviously, yes. 0.60

01:25:52.000 But if it was a lobby group that wasn't blackmailing, but was just, you know, trying to be like, hey, well, I agree.

01:25:59.000 I totally agree.

01:26:00.000 But so when you said there's no legitimate authority, I guess the question goes, is that because of the city?

01:26:05.000 The issue isn't lobbying, though.

01:26:06.000 The issue isn't lobbying.

01:26:07.000 So for instance, one of the things I'm working on right now is I am going to drop a political nuclear bomb on this country.

01:26:15.000 And I'm going to let you guys in on what's going on.

01:26:17.000 So the Lodge Card Club in Texas was raided by the TABC.

01:26:22.000 The search warrant was released.

01:26:24.000 This is the biggest poker club in the world.

01:26:26.000 Now, maybe not really because there could be underground clubs and things like that, whatever.

01:26:30.000 But in terms of a building just for playing poker and various poker games and live streaming and culture.

01:26:35.000 The most square footage.

01:26:36.000 The most square footage, the most tables.

01:26:38.000 It might not be the most square footage, but the most tables.

01:26:40.000 They get raided for illegal gambling and money laundering.

01:26:44.000 Because in Texas, you cannot run a gambling operation as a house.

01:26:48.000 The way it works in Texas, however, is card clubs emerged because they allow private games where you pay a membership fee, and that's actually within the law.

01:26:56.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:26:58.000 Here's the thing.

01:27:00.000 I have beef with every single state, and you will too.

01:27:04.000 If I were to ask each and every one of you if you think gambling is good, I already know what everyone's going to say.

01:27:09.000 Absolutely not.

01:27:10.000 It's bad.

01:27:10.000 You think so?

01:27:11.000 It's bad?

01:27:11.000 Yeah, I do.

01:27:12.000 Okay, no problem.

01:27:13.000 I agree.

01:27:13.000 I completely agree.

01:27:14.000 And it's degeneracy, and poker is gambling.

01:27:17.000 You say it's not, but I don't know.

01:27:19.000 It's funny if you agree with that.

01:27:19.000 No, that's funny.

01:27:20.000 Okay.

01:27:20.000 So the law says you can't gamble.

01:27:22.000 And guess what?

01:27:23.000 Every state says.

01:27:26.000 Gambling is defined as wagering money on a game that involves any amount of chance where you can win prizes.

01:27:35.000 What did I just describe?

01:27:36.000 Pokemon Go.

01:27:37.000 Pokemon.

01:27:38.000 Pokemon card games.

01:27:39.000 Pokemon.

01:27:40.000 Where today the regional championships took place in Houston where children wager $80 for a $71,000 prize with a $10,000 cash prize for first place on a card game of chance, which is illegal in the state of Texas, but they don't care.

01:28:01.000 And this pisses me off.

01:28:03.000 Now, in West Virginia, I've been talking to their government for some time.

01:28:08.000 And I said, look, the last thing we want is like casinos popping up like.

01:28:12.000 Wait, I got a solution, Pokemon poker.

01:28:14.000 So it's just poker.

01:28:15.000 I already tried that.

01:28:16.000 Oh.

01:28:16.000 So I actually...

01:28:18.000 Well, come on.

01:28:18.000 Yeah, Pokemon.

01:28:19.000 That's perfect.

01:28:21.000 Here's the idea.

01:28:22.000 You create a single deck where there's four types and varying HPs.

01:28:27.000 You could definitely do that.

01:28:28.000 Then you deal them out, and it's a battle where you look down at your Pokemon.

01:28:32.000 And if you have a strong Pokemon team, you can go to battle with the other team.

01:28:35.000 And then you have to use energy tokens to power, like energy cards.

01:28:39.000 You could literally do that.

01:28:40.000 I mean, it's a poker.

01:28:41.000 The point is this.

01:28:42.000 The point is this.

01:28:42.000 I had a conversation with the AG of West Virginia a while back before it was Morsey, before he got elected.

01:28:48.000 And I said, we have an issue in the state where you guys have like a thousand businesses where children are functionally gambling.

01:28:59.000 And, you know, I got some laughter.

01:29:01.000 I talked to the lottery commission, and they said, well, collectible card games are exempt.

01:29:04.000 So we made a collectible card game called Debate Me, which is functionally poker.

01:29:07.000 And I said, okay, we're exempt now, right?

01:29:09.000 But what pissed me off is when the Lodge got shut down, I read that the Pokemon tournaments were coming here that operate under the exact same structure.

01:29:16.000 You pay 80 bucks, you play a card game, tournament bracket style, and the winner gets cash prizes.

01:29:21.000 That's children gambling.

01:29:22.000 The law in Texas says you cannot put money up front to use cards or any other dice or gambling device for a chance to win cash prizes with any amount of chance involved.

01:29:35.000 So why is David Busters legal?

01:29:38.000 You don't win cash.

01:29:39.000 But I mean, I guess you could do this poker thing where you win coupons and then they still shut you down.

01:29:45.000 So this is the thing.

01:29:47.000 The Lodge Card Club did not take money from the games.

01:29:50.000 They hosted a membership club, a social club, where you pay hourly as a member of the club.

01:29:56.000 Then you play the games amongst the players.

01:29:58.000 And they got shut down for that.

01:29:59.000 Meanwhile, children are directly wagering, and the company is directly profiting off of these Pokemon games.

01:30:05.000 So here's what's going to happen.

01:30:06.000 We have prepared a lawsuit, and I'll take it to the Supreme Court.

01:30:11.000 The states either have to ban Pokemon because it is illegal statutorily under the law or legalize blackjack.

01:30:19.000 Let's roll because you can't have it both ways.

01:30:21.000 You cannot allow children to make wages on Magic the Gathering Yu-Gi-Oh!

01:30:25.000 Now you got Teenage Mate Nichols Magic the Gathering cards.

01:30:27.000 You got children putting up money to win cash, cash, cash, cash.

01:30:32.000 That is illegal under the law in every single state.

01:30:35.000 So we have prepared a lawsuit.

01:30:37.000 We have a lawsuit draft.

01:30:39.000 And we're starting with West Virginia.

01:30:43.000 My argument is this.

01:30:45.000 I think West Virginia is, and I'll tell you why we're talking about this.

01:30:50.000 The casinos, you've got two big casino players in West Virginia, and one of them is Penn Entertainment, which is the second biggest casino chain in the country.

01:30:57.000 They operate, I think, about 42 locations.

01:30:59.000 And it has been conveyed to me that the lobby there is extremely powerful, not because, back to the lobbying question, not because they will sit down with politicians and buy them dinner, but because they threaten them.

01:31:10.000 They say, we will pull funding from your PACs, and we will guarantee your opponent wins if you oppose us.

01:31:17.000 That is not legitimate.

01:31:18.000 That's what's happening.

01:31:19.000 And it's happening everywhere.

01:31:20.000 Hey, I've been screaming.

01:31:21.000 I'm anti-Cary Committee.

01:31:23.000 I'm anti-Super PACs, and I always have been, right?

01:31:25.000 This is one of the reasons I love Rokan as he's James Tallarico, is that they've run very dull.

01:31:29.000 Tellerico, absolutely. 0.74

01:31:31.000 That guy's a freak.

01:31:33.000 Sure. 0.84

01:31:33.000 Do you, you know, you unironically like Target? 0.84

01:31:35.000 I love James Tallarico, but I'm a liberal.

01:31:37.000 How do you feel about that hoax?

01:31:38.000 He pulled off with Colbert.

01:31:40.000 Here's the thing.

01:31:40.000 I don't know.

01:31:41.000 One of my biggest.

01:31:42.000 Maybe he's racist.

01:31:43.000 I don't know.

01:31:44.000 He doesn't like Rocket.

01:31:45.000 I don't know anything about the Colbert stuff.

01:31:46.000 I don't know what to say.

01:31:47.000 So they staged a hoax against Jasmine Crockett to shut her out of the election.

01:31:53.000 I have to see evidence of that.

01:31:54.000 So here's what happened.

01:31:56.000 Colbert went on a show and said, Trump's FCC, I was told in no uncertain terms by CBS that the FCC was threatening us unless, if we were going to air an interview with Tallerico, because Trump doesn't want you to see this.

01:32:07.000 The only problem is the FCC Equal Time didn't apply to the Republicans or Trump.

01:32:10.000 It applied to Jasmine Crockett specifically.

01:32:12.000 And so Tellerico went on Twitter and said, this is the interview Trump doesn't want you to see.

01:32:17.000 But in fact, it had nothing to do with Trump.

01:32:20.000 They were trying to make it appear as though the only player was Tallarico and whoever the Republican candidate was going to be.

01:32:27.000 They didn't want to give Jasmine Crockett equal time on TV.

01:32:30.000 But this is the issue is late night TV shows almost never give equal time because late nights have been basically exempt from this.

01:32:35.000 The point is.

01:32:35.000 This is not the point.

01:32:36.000 This is the point that's happened with the...

01:32:38.000 No.

01:32:38.000 This is exactly what the...

01:32:39.000 Let's see.

01:32:39.000 I'm going to clarify the hoax for you because we're not talking about this.

01:32:42.000 It is a hoax to claim Trump stopped an interview when they both were stopping Jasmine Crockett from getting equal time.

01:32:50.000 They were not stopping Jasmine Crockett at all because the Equal.

01:32:53.000 No, the equal, like the FCC policy there.

01:32:56.000 There's a really good, I think the Daily did a coverage of all this story that goes into detail.

01:33:01.000 And it's a very good question.

01:33:02.000 So they lied about what's going on.

01:33:03.000 Yeah, I don't like the lying, obviously.

01:33:05.000 It was a hoax.

01:33:06.000 Trump did not stop this.

01:33:07.000 It's not legal.

01:33:08.000 It is stopped.

01:33:09.000 Sure. 1.00

01:33:09.000 Yeah, Tellerico is a lying scumbag. 1.00

01:33:11.000 Okay, sure. 1.00

01:33:12.000 Maybe in this case, I would have to look into it more.

01:33:13.000 But in the case of the psychology, it's okay.

01:33:15.000 But the issue is my most important thing is corruption.

01:33:20.000 Like Tellerico's corruption, where he teams up with Colbert to lie about Jasmine Crockett?

01:33:23.000 Sure.

01:33:24.000 He plays a little bit of dirty social media games possibly.

01:33:27.000 But he's never taken a dollar of Super PAC money.

01:33:30.000 I stole that election.

01:33:31.000 He's no.

01:33:33.000 No, he never did.

01:33:34.000 He never did anything.

01:33:34.000 How much do you back on PEC?

01:33:36.000 Gets him some money.

01:33:37.000 I don't think he'll take it.

01:33:38.000 He's like taken a pretty big story.

01:33:40.000 I hope not, right?

01:33:41.000 He could obviously disappoint me in the future.

01:33:43.000 But what I'm saying here to you guys is that when it comes to politics, I have one really big priority right now, which is corruption in the government and trying to get the common man a voice back in politics.

01:33:56.000 Do you give any room to the fact that they're all corrupt?

01:34:00.000 They're all corrupt to varying degrees, and I always want to try to vet for the least corrupt person who will pass policy that reduces corruption.

01:34:07.000 Just based on special interests, based on money and politics, they're all inherently corrupted at a certain level.

01:34:12.000 Then don't participate in the story.

01:34:15.000 Let's come to the tunes of millions of dollars through Lone Star Rising PAC.

01:34:19.000 Come on.

01:34:19.000 And I want to ask you about, if you really do like Tallarico, you know, he calls himself a pastor, but he's also pro-choice.

01:34:24.000 Don't you think that that is just...

01:34:26.000 Wait, Pax are not super Pax.

01:34:27.000 Is he...

01:34:28.000 Is that a super PAC?

01:34:29.000 Super PAC.

01:34:30.000 But James Talleric.

01:34:31.000 Tellering Star, Lone Star, Rising PAC spent millions on ads supporting him.

01:34:35.000 Did he? 0.99

01:34:36.000 But Kyla, do you think he's a hypocrite for saying that he's a pastor, but also saying it's okay to murder a baby in the womb? 0.99

01:34:42.000 No, not Jesus. 0.99

01:34:42.000 You don't think that's hypocritical? 0.99

01:34:44.000 Nope.

01:34:44.000 You think Jesus would be Exodus 21, 22?

01:34:48.000 It seems like Jesus made a very specific law that, yes, if you kill a baby in the womb, you can get just a financial fine instead of capital punishment.

01:34:57.000 It is a, in my opinion, misleading to say someone doesn't take PAC money because PACs don't spend money on candidates.

01:35:03.000 They buy ads for the candidate.

01:35:05.000 And James Tellerico has got from ally from Lone Star.

01:35:08.000 Lone Star Rising PAC spent an estimated $4 million in 2026 on ads supporting him.

01:35:14.000 I mean, that's, again, is this a carry committee?

01:35:17.000 I need to, like...

01:35:18.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:35:18.000 You know what's fascinating?

01:35:19.000 The party who claims to love democracy, they sure have a funny way of showing how they do that because what they did with Jasmine Crockett is the opposite.

01:35:28.000 Oh my God, it's evil.

01:35:29.000 And I don't even like her. 0.79

01:35:30.000 That's evil. 0.97

01:35:31.000 This is just that silly thing of just pointing and be like, oh, Democrats, they hate democracy. 0.98

01:35:35.000 I'm talking about the modern president and stabbing the professional. 0.96

01:35:39.000 The election was stolen.

01:35:40.000 So he still denies the genuine transfer of legitimate power that happened back in the middle of the day.

01:35:45.000 And I have never agreed that the election was stolen.

01:35:47.000 And I think Biden won largely through ballot harvesting.

01:35:49.000 And James Tellerico stabbed Jasmine Crockett in the back.

01:35:52.000 She's a Democrat.

01:35:53.000 Can all of those be true at the same time?

01:35:55.000 Okay, he didn't.

01:35:56.000 So this is the staggering Jasmine and Crockett.

01:35:58.000 First of all, she came out in vocal, large support of him.

01:36:01.000 The idea that we have ever applied to any...

01:36:04.000 She called the election stolen.

01:36:05.000 You got to let me finish.

01:36:07.000 You made this point the other day that you said, I believe it was a Rudyard, if you keep making points, I'm going to have to rant for 20 minutes, or I can address them point by point.

01:36:15.000 Okay, first of all.

01:36:15.000 So when you made a point, I will give you a moment.

01:36:17.000 4v1.

01:36:17.000 It is 4v1, so I have to be able to get to respond to the pressure.

01:36:21.000 I'm on your side.

01:36:22.000 Okay, thank you, Alex.

01:36:23.000 I appreciate it.

01:36:24.000 It's 3v1, although Phil III.

01:36:26.000 2v2.

01:36:26.000 I'm going to join as well.

01:36:28.000 You're on my side too?

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 You guys aren't speaking out much, so you guys got to really come to your business.

01:36:35.000 You can't be on my team anymore.

01:36:36.000 I'm voting you off.

01:36:37.000 Right?

01:36:38.000 So what I am saying, in the case of Jasmine Crockett, the FCC policy that got utilized against him, which wasn't actually pushed, the network was worried about it because there are increasing FCC pressures from CAR against late night shows specifically, which is equal time.

01:36:53.000 You don't have to stop me.

01:36:54.000 I do because we're not talking about equal time.

01:36:58.000 You either know that you're wrong or you're just uninformed of what happened with Jasmine Crockett.

01:37:02.000 I'm going to pause.

01:37:04.000 I'm going to say foundation real quick.

01:37:06.000 What we are discussing is not equal time rules and how they apply.

01:37:09.000 Yes, it is because you said that he stabbed her in the back by not allowing her on the show.

01:37:12.000 So let's just pause real quick and say the campaign from Colbert and Tallerico was to claim that Donald Trump shut down their interview so that it appeared James Tellerico was the only candidate in play and the only other candidate was a Republican.

01:37:29.000 So when people went to vote, he had a very high profile moment that got millions of views and across the board the media said this stunt put him over the edge.

01:37:38.000 Jasmine Crockett then went after she lost, she said they cheated, this was stolen. 0.74

01:37:44.000 I believe she also made a massive, I don't know if that's what she said.

01:37:47.000 How about the fact I'm sure she was like, literally the same day that he won, she made a large social media post celebrating James Tallerico on her own.

01:37:55.000 She could make the post.

01:37:56.000 Someone probably wrote it for her.

01:37:57.000 Regardless.

01:37:58.000 Did she approve it?

01:37:59.000 But this is not what she's doing.

01:37:59.000 She has no choice.

01:38:00.000 She has to do that.

01:38:01.000 She's not really a point.

01:38:02.000 That's not true.

01:38:03.000 But Cambodia Harris went on like an argument to her.

01:38:07.000 We are not arguing this.

01:38:08.000 We are arguing that James Tallarico staged a hoax to steal election.

01:38:12.000 You were arguing, you were arguing specifically here that what he did is stab her in the back by not giving her access to equal time.

01:38:19.000 Okay, let me stop you right now.

01:38:22.000 I've not made that argument, but it's not the argument.

01:38:24.000 I said he hoaxed the people with Colbert attacking Trump so that Crockett would lose.

01:38:31.000 What does this have to do with Crockett?

01:38:33.000 Jasmine Crockett was his opponent in the primary.

01:38:36.000 Why does she stage a Captain? 1.00

01:38:37.000 Why does he owe her time on Colbert show?

01:38:40.000 I did not say that.

01:38:41.000 So then why is Jasmine Crockett relevant to this?

01:38:44.000 In order to win the election, he staged a hoax with Colbert to frame the election as though he was the only one running.

01:38:53.000 He got 12 million views from this hoax.

01:38:56.000 He made millions of dollars and it put him over the edge.

01:39:00.000 This is a PR stunt.

01:39:02.000 So every time Trump has done massive, I'm just wanting to make sure you're consistent.

01:39:07.000 You're so mad at James Tallarico and you can't trust him at all.

01:39:11.000 Well, don't moralize at me about how bad and awful James Tallarico is if you won't engage with me very seriously about whether or not you have an issue with him lying about Ruby Friedman to support his argument that his it's it's not just bad oh, it's evil.

01:39:28.000 It's of course it's evil great, of course Tellerico is evil too.

01:39:32.000 Okay, but the issue is that, who have you said you would never vote for again?

01:39:35.000 Democrats yes because, let me clarify what I said was, unless the party is purged and they bring in moderates who have not supported transient kids, how do you vote for someone who, five years ago, wanted to lop off a girl's book?

01:39:49.000 Did Carr and Curry pressure through the FCC to not have Tallerico and other people on?

01:39:54.000 Did they do that?

01:39:55.000 No yes, they did.

01:39:56.000 No, they didn't.

01:39:56.000 Yes, they did.

01:39:57.000 They used the equal time clause specifically to the.

01:40:00.000 CBS issued a statement saying we never made this statement.

01:40:03.000 It never happened.

01:40:04.000 Their lawyers didn't say that they could not do it, but they said that it could not be aired on their mainstream, that it had to be on YouTube.

01:40:11.000 This is what happened.

01:40:13.000 CBS issued a statement saying we never told Colbert he couldn't have Tallarico on.

01:40:17.000 Never happened, you're right.

01:40:18.000 What they did say to him though instead, is that no, that if he was on, they couldn't air it on the mainstream, that it could only be on YouTube.

01:40:27.000 That's what they told them.

01:40:28.000 Yes, that is correct.

01:40:31.000 Okay, could you accept the fact that there is some level of corruption with what went down with Stephen Colbert?

01:40:37.000 Yes or no?

01:40:37.000 Yeah yeah if if yeah, to some degree, they were lying a little bit.

01:40:40.000 Yes so Tim, am I right in your point is, if her main beef is corruption, then she should be equally mad. 1.00

01:40:48.000 Not all corruption is equal, Right?

01:40:50.000 Somebody insisting, for example, that the 2020 election results are not true and pressuring his staff to change and try to delay the certification of the vote, that is not the same thing as being like the FCC told us that he couldn't be here.

01:41:04.000 And it's like, oh, it turns out the FCC didn't say that exactly.

01:41:06.000 They just said, if he's there, you have to give equal time to Jasmine Crockett.

01:41:09.000 Okay.

01:41:10.000 These are both not good, but acting like these are equal is not the same thing.

01:41:15.000 What I would prefer is lesser of these bad things.

01:41:18.000 Well, what about locking up pro-lifers and kicking veterans out of the military?

01:41:23.000 More context, but probably if it's illegitimate, I would not be for that.

01:41:27.000 Yeah.

01:41:27.000 Well, that happened under Democrats.

01:41:29.000 I mean, yeah, there's lots of things Democrats did that I'm not happy with.

01:41:32.000 So that's our point is it's either uniparty or going back to that.

01:41:36.000 No, the issue is you have primaries.

01:41:39.000 You have primaries to vote for politicians that have different leaning ins of different things, right?

01:41:44.000 You have grassroots movements to go and canvas behind people who won't take PAC money because if you don't take PAC money, it's really hard to get your home on this.

01:41:52.000 Maybe we can agree on this.

01:41:54.000 Probably more likely to happen at the local level, but not as much likely to happen at the national level.

01:41:59.000 Let me agree with you.

01:42:01.000 Yes, but I don't think that it is impossible.

01:42:04.000 And I think that we should orient towards that if we want to see a reduction of corruption, which is something I really value.

01:42:09.000 Let's read this from Variety.

01:42:10.000 CBS denies forcing Stephen Colbert to not air interview with Democratic candidates as it provided legal guidance about FCC equal time rule.

01:42:16.000 Right.

01:42:16.000 In a statement Tuesday, CBS said the late show was not prohibited by CBS from broadcasting the interview with rep James Tallarico.

01:42:21.000 The show was provided legal guidance.

01:42:23.000 The broadcast could trigger the FCC equal time rule for two other candidates, including rep Jasmine Crockett, and presented options for how the equal time for other candidates could be fulfilled.

01:42:31.000 The late show decided to present the interview through its YouTube channel with on-air promotion on the broadcast rather than potentially providing the equal time options.

01:42:38.000 Yep.

01:42:39.000 So when Tallerico said, so when Tallarico said it was Trump that stopped it, that was a lie.

01:42:43.000 Yeah, it sounds like that was a lie.

01:42:45.000 And I already agreed to that.

01:42:46.000 Well, the issue is it's not nearly you did a Mott and Bailey.

01:42:49.000 You made it seem like it was this really big hoax and he was doing all sorts of shifty stuff.

01:42:53.000 He did one thing, which is yeah, he lied and said that the FCC said he couldn't.

01:42:58.000 And I wouldn't be surprised, for example, if he wasn't told this, that Colbert said this to him.

01:43:03.000 So probably the main person who did the hoax was Colbert and possibly even because Colbert slightly misunderstood what the lawyers meant when they said you'd have to explore other options.

01:43:11.000 He read that.

01:43:13.000 I don't take it either. 1.00

01:43:14.000 I mean, either James Tellarico is an idiot or he's an asshole, whichever. 1.00

01:43:18.000 It's not idiotic. 1.00

01:43:19.000 Why would it be idiotic? 1.00

01:43:20.000 Because he doesn't understand that equal time applies to Jasmine Crockett, not the Republican. 1.00

01:43:23.000 Equal time has never applied to late night shows.

01:43:26.000 This is an awful lot of people. 1.00

01:43:27.000 That's why he's an idiot. 1.00

01:43:28.000 That's not. 1.00

01:43:29.000 It's always an asshole. 1.00

01:43:30.000 Why does that make him an idiot? 1.00

01:43:32.000 He doesn't understand FCC rules and he didn't look into it. 1.00

01:43:34.000 No idiot. 1.00

01:43:35.000 Nobody has. 1.00

01:43:36.000 He lied about Jasmine Crockett. 1.00

01:43:37.000 He's an asshole. 1.00

01:43:38.000 Do politicians have to infinitely know all policy that is relevant at all times at any moment? 1.00

01:43:43.000 If you're going to attack another politician who's not involved in whatever's going on, I think it's fair.

01:43:46.000 Yes.

01:43:47.000 I'm assuming that he took Colbert at his word.

01:43:50.000 There's a lot of reasonable political, I guess I'll say.

01:43:54.000 FCC rules don't apply this way.

01:43:55.000 FCC laws, yeah.

01:43:56.000 James Tallarico knows nothing about, okay.

01:43:59.000 Do you really want a politician who doesn't look into things and then attacks other people without investigating?

01:44:03.000 I would prefer a politician that is more likely to be.

01:44:05.000 Can you apologize?

01:44:06.000 Sure, yeah, he can apologize.

01:44:09.000 I'll have to ask him and film it.

01:44:10.000 The outcome that I would like that I'm focused on, this?

01:44:14.000 Okay, whatever.

01:44:14.000 Yeah.

01:44:14.000 Jamal Bowman polled like a stunt with like the thing, yeah, I don't like these things.

01:44:19.000 I don't like these things.

01:44:20.000 The issue that I'm pointing to is there are different people of level corruptions.

01:44:24.000 Can we agree to that?

01:44:24.000 I do agree.

01:44:25.000 There are some politicians that lie more, like Trump, and some that lie less.

01:44:29.000 I want to get behind politicians that lie less.

01:44:31.000 Well, I got to be honest.

01:44:32.000 I prefer that they not lie at all.

01:44:33.000 Why don't you prefer that?

01:44:36.000 So you're saying he lies the most?

01:44:39.000 Ask Rock, yes.

01:44:40.000 Well, I have to have a question.

01:44:41.000 I have an honest question.

01:44:42.000 Who is the preferential candidate in that capacity between Tallarico and Crockett?

01:44:48.000 I like Tallarico's policies more.

01:44:50.000 But has Crockett lied more?

01:44:51.000 Well, I don't know.

01:44:52.000 I don't know Crockett's history.

01:44:53.000 I got to be honest.

01:44:54.000 I don't like Jasmine Crockett. 0.97

01:44:56.000 Has she lied?

01:44:56.000 She's an attorney, so she probably had to lie.

01:44:59.000 I will say this.

01:45:00.000 In terms of major events like this, the only thing I can really say about Crockett is that I find her abhorrent.

01:45:05.000 I find her behavior bad.

01:45:07.000 I find her attitude fake, but she lies like a politician. 1.00

01:45:11.000 This, yeah, there's varying degrees of corruption, and maybe they're both like the C minus of corruption, but he's C and she's C minus.

01:45:18.000 I think he's worse.

01:45:20.000 Maybe he has better policies, but he seems to be more gasping.

01:45:23.000 James Tallarico is worse than Crockett because he lied to win the election.

01:45:26.000 He lied or was told something.

01:45:29.000 Or was done.

01:45:30.000 And Jasmine Crockett's still is either way the best.

01:45:33.000 Not necessarily.

01:45:34.000 Again, one of their policies.

01:45:35.000 All I care about is policies.

01:45:37.000 I would actually say he's worse because he's establishment approved.

01:45:41.000 She wasn't.

01:45:42.000 She's very establishment approved.

01:45:43.000 No, she's not establishment approved because she was pack money behind him. 1.00

01:45:47.000 If she was establishment approved, she would have spent more money than he did.

01:45:50.000 She didn't.

01:45:51.000 She didn't raise more money than he did.

01:45:52.000 She didn't raise more money than he did, but she had a lot more sympathy.

01:45:55.000 And why is it that establishment figures like Stephen Colbert, Barack Obama, spoke very highly of him and never about Jasmine Crockett?

01:46:01.000 I believe Barack Obama has spoken positively about Jasmine Crockett.

01:46:04.000 Not in the same way that he did with Tyler Raymond.

01:46:06.000 It's possible that Barack had a larger preference for Tylerico and Colbert.

01:46:10.000 All I'm saying is all I'm saying is the establishment will get what they want.

01:46:14.000 They wanted him.

01:46:15.000 They used her as a distraction. 0.98

01:46:17.000 She went on to the news.

01:46:18.000 She made outrageous statements. 0.91

01:46:19.000 I'm with you.

01:46:20.000 I think she is probably smart in her house, but when she goes in front of the camera, she thought it was smart to act a certain way.

01:46:28.000 I don't think that works in politics.

01:46:30.000 And I think that the establishment wanted him and not her.

01:46:35.000 I think you can say that like preference.

01:46:36.000 I don't know if it's obvious to me.

01:46:38.000 She had a lot of super PAC money. 0.99

01:46:40.000 She had a lot of super PAC money. 0.99

01:46:42.000 She was accepted in the squad.

01:46:43.000 She was very popular as well on social media.

01:46:45.000 She did a lot of interviews as well.

01:46:47.000 I suspected the establishment honestly liked both.

01:46:51.000 It was a really tight race.

01:46:53.000 And a lot of people are like, I don't know.

01:46:54.000 Here's a great data point.

01:46:55.000 Sure. 0.99

01:46:56.000 The only people that she was going to bring out are black people. 0.93

01:47:00.000 He was bringing out Hispanic people, white people, and women.

01:47:04.000 So automatically, James Tylerico is a more favorable candidate than she is in the eyes of the establishment.

01:47:10.000 Who's going to win for us?

01:47:12.000 But more importantly, the reason they chose Taylor Rico is that he's a Democrat who wears a Christian suit.

01:47:17.000 So they're hoping that the less informed, like the default Christians, who are non-practicing Christians, will find him an acceptable person to vote for because he says, I'm a Christian, vote for me.

01:47:27.000 They're going to earn a lot more votes that way. 0.80

01:47:29.000 And he is politically savvy because he was able to get on a bunch of politics in the establishment.

01:47:34.000 No, there's a lot of policies he's aligned with with the establishment.

01:47:37.000 I just want to make this one.

01:47:38.000 Sure, some, but there's anti-establishment policies.

01:47:40.000 Some people say he also appealed to people better because he looks Hispanic or Mexican, but he's not. 0.98

01:47:45.000 I heard he kicks dogs.

01:47:47.000 Like, just walked the dogs. 0.98

01:47:48.000 I mean, Christy Noam kills him.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, I heard he walked to some Indian guy's dog and kicked him in. 0.95

01:47:52.000 The Indian guy was like, you kicked my dog. 1.00

01:47:54.000 I don't think anyone's doing it.

01:47:55.000 And he was all angry.

01:47:56.000 I'm making a joke here on another reference.

01:47:58.000 It's a famous jerky boys or something.

01:48:00.000 I love the jerky boys.

01:48:01.000 Yeah, it's like, you kicked my dog.

01:48:02.000 He's like, sir, I didn't kick your dog.

01:48:04.000 You come to my house and you kicked my dog.

01:48:06.000 And he's like, no, I didn't.

01:48:07.000 That's why I always make kicking the dog as the joke about when a politician does something wrong.

01:48:11.000 I'll be like, they accused Trump of kicking a dog or whatever.

01:48:13.000 Or Nancy Pelosi of kicking a dog. 1.00

01:48:15.000 The world is a much better place when we listen to him.

01:48:16.000 Wait, hold on.

01:48:18.000 Who was the Democrat who actually kicked the dog?

01:48:20.000 Do you remember this?

01:48:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:21.000 Yeah, what's that?

01:48:22.000 I forgot to say.

01:48:24.000 Let me ask Rock.

01:48:26.000 I really. 0.99

01:48:27.000 Oh, no, that's the AG in Virginia who wants to kill people's kids. 0.99

01:48:30.000 Jay Jones. 0.99

01:48:31.000 J.J. Jones.

01:48:32.000 Yeah.

01:48:33.000 Did you see that?

01:48:35.000 No, he tried to kick the dog.

01:48:37.000 And he tried to move on.

01:48:39.000 We're talking about this.

01:48:40.000 Chrissy Noam did something much worse.

01:48:42.000 She killed the dog. 1.00

01:48:43.000 She killed the dog. 1.00

01:48:45.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:48:46.000 She rehomed the dog.

01:48:47.000 She crosses the line.

01:48:48.000 She didn't really hon the dog.

01:48:49.000 Maybe she eventually transfer of energy. 1.00

01:48:49.000 She blew it. 1.00

01:48:52.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:48:56.000 I gotta say, shooting a dog because you failed to train it as a herder is crazy. 1.00

01:49:00.000 She spent $220 million on a one-minute ad.

01:49:03.000 Avengers cost $100.

01:49:04.000 $18 million.

01:49:05.000 It was a series of ads.

01:49:05.000 No, no, no, no.

01:49:06.000 It's a bunch of ads.

01:49:09.000 No, no, no.

01:49:09.000 I'm just, I'm not saying that.

01:49:10.000 You're saying she overpaid to.

01:49:11.000 I mean, one of the things that I'm doing.

01:49:12.000 No, no, no, no.

01:49:12.000 You're saying it was one ad, but it was a bunch of ads.

01:49:15.000 She didn't pay for the marketing of it. 1.00

01:49:16.000 But I watched all these ads that are on Fox News.

01:49:19.000 She didn't.

01:49:20.000 Guys, I have a question.

01:49:22.000 Boomers have like five years left. 1.00

01:49:24.000 I'm not trying to be mean, right?

01:49:25.000 But boomers have like five years left. 0.99

01:49:26.000 Our parents, no, I'm not trying to be mean, though, but it's true.

01:49:29.000 Life expectancy for boomers is 79 years old.

01:49:31.000 What is Fox News, MS Now, and CNN going to do?

01:49:35.000 Nobody watches it anyway.

01:49:35.000 I don't know.

01:49:36.000 I mean, Mark Levin's audience isn't very big.

01:49:39.000 I don't even think real human beings watch Fox News.

01:49:41.000 Honestly, she's on YouTube.

01:49:43.000 I have to be honest.

01:49:43.000 I don't think anyone ever watched anything, to be honest.

01:49:46.000 You know?

01:49:46.000 Tucker, when Tucker was doing his monologues on Fox News, when he was never one of my favorite people, he was culturally rare.

01:49:51.000 What I mean is they told us that 25 million people watch Big Bang Theory. 0.99

01:49:55.000 Now, that is a goddamn lie. 0.99

01:49:58.000 Big Bang Theory, I don't believe it for a second. 0.99

01:50:01.000 I believe before the internet, I think that there was probably significantly different.

01:50:07.000 Yeah, like water cooler shows.

01:50:08.000 Like after Seinfeld, everybody talked about it.

01:50:11.000 Some of my normie, non-internet, like college friends love Big Bang Theory.

01:50:15.000 That's insane.

01:50:17.000 I don't like those.

01:50:17.000 Big Bang Theory is like.

01:50:19.000 It's like AI slot before AI slot.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:50:23.000 The only joke they have is that to stupid people, they say something that's confusing, and that's the joke. 0.99

01:50:28.000 So if you ever watch Big Bang Theory without the laugh track, like, like Sheldon will walk in and go, what are you guys doing? 0.99

01:50:35.000 It looks like a Heisenberg uncertainty principle experiment.

01:50:39.000 Shut the laugh.

01:50:40.000 Yeah, it's awkward.

01:50:42.000 And then they play a laughing.

01:50:43.000 And then everyone laughs.

01:50:43.000 Yeah.

01:50:45.000 Well, it is mindless content.

01:50:45.000 That's it.

01:50:46.000 I mean, I think a lot of sit content.

01:50:47.000 That's what we need.

01:50:48.000 What do you prefer?

01:50:52.000 What?

01:50:53.000 Yeah, we're going to go.

01:50:55.000 Does Don Staff know?

01:50:56.000 What is that? 0.99

01:50:57.000 It's the Italian brain rot. 1.00

01:50:58.000 Did you guys see the meme? 0.55

01:51:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:00.000 Did you know that?

01:51:01.000 They would just get rid of all brain rots.

01:51:03.000 Alex, guys, Phil, Phil, hear me.

01:51:05.000 Hear me.

01:51:07.000 You had a roll there.

01:51:08.000 The world that you were born in, it doesn't exist anymore.

01:51:11.000 There was a meme, and it's a series of license plates, and it's got years.

01:51:16.000 So you can get like iHeart, you know, 10, iHeart 16.

01:51:21.000 And on one side, it said, iHeart66, iHeart68, iHeart69, iHeart 70.

01:51:29.000 But iHeart67 was gone and sold out.

01:51:32.000 Do you understand?

01:51:33.000 Yeah, because the world you grew up in is gone.

01:51:35.000 Because iHeart69 was fully stocked and iHeart67 was gone.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, in my world, 69 would have been the first one.

01:51:41.000 Indeed.

01:51:42.000 Indeed, I think we need-I don't care about politics.

01:51:45.000 I don't care about politics.

01:51:47.000 We need a fascist dictatorship to install family pizza huts, 80s-style malls, and blockbuster video.

01:51:54.000 Do you think Donald Trump's a time traveler?

01:51:56.000 Do you think the future is based on his travels through the traffic?

01:52:01.000 That's preferable for whatever it is going on.

01:52:04.000 Everyone under 15. 0.88

01:52:07.000 All right, we're going to go to your Rumble Rants and Super Chats, my friends.

01:52:10.000 Smash the like button, share the show with every person you've ever met, including your grandma or that Indian neighbor whose dog you kicked. 0.78

01:52:15.000 All right, we got this from Joey Giggles.

01:52:17.000 He says, Why is she here?

01:52:19.000 She provides nothing.

01:52:20.000 She uses big words to make herself seem smart. 0.79

01:52:23.000 I love the big word in Sloan.

01:52:25.000 My got, but at least my boy who loved BBL is on.

01:52:28.000 Yeah.

01:52:29.000 I disagree.

01:52:31.000 Say small words.

01:52:33.000 I'll say it every time we have a lib come on the show.

01:52:36.000 It adds tremendously to the show.

01:52:37.000 I agree.

01:52:37.000 Like, we're arguing the whole time.

01:52:39.000 That's kind of the point.

01:52:40.000 Whether she's right or whoever you think is right, sitting in an echo chamber where we all shake each other's hands and be like, you are correct, sir.

01:52:45.000 No, you're correct, sir.

01:52:47.000 We all disagree with each other.

01:52:48.000 It's like not stimulating.

01:52:50.000 Alex Stein.

01:52:51.000 Alex, they all got to go back.

01:52:53.000 Don't talk about them.

01:52:55.000 Talk to Trump.

01:52:55.000 Trump's not kicking any of them out.

01:52:57.000 You're talking to me.

01:52:58.000 Like, I'm Tom Omega.

01:53:00.000 All got out.

01:53:00.000 They're literally not going anywhere.

01:53:02.000 They're literally the big booty Latinas. 1.00

01:53:03.000 What I'm saying is you don't like me going first.

01:53:06.000 But Donald Trump is not kicking anybody out.

01:53:08.000 And it's actually, especially the big booty Latinas that work in the hotels are definitely safe from. 1.00

01:53:12.000 Okay, wait, wait.

01:53:13.000 I just read that first of which I've got to read another one.

01:53:15.000 P. Soupi says, I disagree with Kyla every turn, but I absolutely love her and the way she's willing to stand on her beliefs.

01:53:21.000 Alex, on the other hand, he's been so flip-floppy in support of MAGA, I just can't.

01:53:26.000 Okay, because I would say that's the thing.

01:53:28.000 Whenever the evidence is presented, whether I believe, you know, Donald Trump, I do like Donald Trump.

01:53:33.000 I voted for Donald Trump, but I feel like he has.

01:53:34.000 Would you kiss him? 0.93

01:53:35.000 No, I would not kiss him because I'm not gay, but I'm saying he did a campaign that he was going to deport all these people.

01:53:40.000 He has not done that.

01:53:40.000 He's deported less people than Barack Obama.

01:53:42.000 He said he's not going to start any more wars.

01:53:44.000 He started a huge war.

01:53:45.000 The deporting left.

01:53:47.000 He hasn't he been able to.

01:53:48.000 Because these multinational corporations told him, hey, the deporting fewer people use him as exploitative people.

01:53:52.000 He'll be exploitative later.

01:53:54.000 The only reason that he's deported fewer people is because they counted people that were turned away during Barack Obama's presidency.

01:54:00.000 So when they got to the border and he turned them away, they were counted those as deportations.

01:54:05.000 Yeah, but we just had 35 million people come over here the last four years.

01:54:08.000 Still doesn't change the fact that it is incorrect to say that Donald Trump has not deported people.

01:54:13.000 It is true.

01:54:13.000 Donald Trump has actually deported.

01:54:15.000 Even more people than his clothes.

01:54:17.000 It's not that much.

01:54:18.000 No, it's not 300,000 people.

01:54:20.000 Alex, I believe.

01:54:21.000 200,000 is all you believe, really?

01:54:23.000 I saw to her.

01:54:23.000 I mean, I think that's the only thing that's important.

01:54:27.000 Three to six.

01:54:28.000 Yeah, 300 to 600.

01:54:29.000 It's way more than that.

01:54:30.000 My point is, I don't think the American people have the stomach to remove every person that's in this country on lawfully.

01:54:35.000 I do.

01:54:36.000 We got to read this from Potter.

01:54:37.000 He says, for Chuck Norris, a true American and man that inspired tens of millions of young men to not give up on their dreams, may his legacy grow even in death, allegedly.

01:54:45.000 No, I have to correct you here.

01:54:46.000 Chuck Norris did not die.

01:54:48.000 After several decades of intense meditation, he has figured out how to break through the astral plane to the afterlife because he is hunting death himself.

01:54:56.000 Exactly.

01:54:57.000 Also, it is Chuck Norris doesn't die.

01:55:01.000 He has simply transformed into a being of pure light energy where he will persist.

01:55:07.000 Resident peace, Chuck Norris.

01:55:08.000 I really do love that for the past several decades, we've had this weather somewhat joking, but this image of being the ultimate man and being masculine.

01:55:19.000 And the joke was that he was strong, he was powerful, but he was a hero and he was good.

01:55:23.000 And with many jokes that we would make, still, it's good for young people to envision this like, you know, it's like one thing to have a Superman, which we know is just silly, but Chuck Norris is a real guy that they pretend is Superman.

01:55:35.000 They killed him to distract us from the Iran War. 0.81

01:55:37.000 So that's the real conspiracy.

01:55:39.000 He was killed in Hawaii.

01:55:41.000 All right.

01:55:41.000 Israel.

01:55:42.000 It was Israel took him out in Hawaii. 0.54

01:55:44.000 He's on vacation.

01:55:46.000 What do we do, Kami Mami? 0.99

01:55:48.000 We bomb-bomb Iran. 1.00

01:55:51.000 Yep. 1.00

01:55:51.000 I think that's the only way we win is we just bomb them all. 1.00

01:55:54.000 Literally, you know. 0.90

01:55:55.000 My teammates come Kami Mami now.

01:55:57.000 Is Kami Mami a word that people have used for the 59 days?

01:56:00.000 Kami Mami.

01:56:01.000 Apparently, it was crazy.

01:56:03.000 There's actually a girl who looks like me that Hookstein thought was me, who is a communist, who probably would love to be called the Kami Mami.

01:56:09.000 Who Aaron?

01:56:12.000 Straighterade?

01:56:13.000 Yeah.

01:56:14.000 And you're like, are you Straight Raid?

01:56:15.000 And I was like, no.

01:56:16.000 People mix this up though.

01:56:17.000 But she's a communist. 0.95

01:56:18.000 I'm not a communist.

01:56:19.000 I don't watch your guys' content.

01:56:20.000 No offense.

01:56:20.000 I'm saying you don't watch mine, but yeah, I get you guys mixed up.

01:56:23.000 As a teammate, that hurts my feelings.

01:56:25.000 I'm sorry.

01:56:25.000 I apologize.

01:56:26.000 I'm sorry.

01:56:27.000 Kyla, you're my girl.

01:56:28.000 All right.

01:56:29.000 Meeto says, Kami Mami, the reason why we are done compromising is because the compromises only went one way to the left.

01:56:34.000 That's why I can't have a suppressor without extra paperwork.

01:56:38.000 I don't know.

01:56:38.000 Welcome to Joe Biden's bipartisan.

01:56:40.000 Multiple, multiple, multiple bipartisan bills.

01:56:42.000 I don't know.

01:56:43.000 The leftists want the guns.

01:56:45.000 They just don't want you to have the guns.

01:56:46.000 Alex Predi wanted a gun.

01:56:48.000 The argument that people make when they say, oh, well, you know, the leftists, they want guns.

01:56:52.000 They only want guns insofar as they are going to use them in the revolution.

01:56:56.000 Then they will take them away.

01:56:57.000 Under no circumstance did Marx believe that the people should have guns to defend their lives or property.

01:57:04.000 That is a totally different way of understanding what arms are for.

01:57:10.000 He did not in any way believe that the people should be able to overthrow the government or defend their property because he didn't even believe you should have property.

01:57:17.000 So don't listen to leftists that say, oh, no, we believe in guns.

01:57:20.000 They only believe in gun rights insofar as it's useful for.

01:57:23.000 Thomas Jefferson did, in the way that Thomas Jefferson did.

01:57:25.000 It's only useful insofar as it's useful for the revolution.

01:57:29.000 Well, for protecting or protecting your country, right?

01:57:31.000 Like that, that's what 2A the principle most importantly is, is sometimes from time to time, the blood of liberty must be.

01:57:39.000 It's defending your life and property.

01:57:42.000 TJ, who wrote the Constitution, definitely seemed to think that it was a good idea.

01:57:44.000 TJ didn't write the Constitution.

01:57:46.000 James Madison wrote the Constitution.

01:57:48.000 Well, multiple people wrote the Constitution.

01:57:49.000 Sorry.

01:57:50.000 I mean, founding father.

01:57:51.000 He wrote the Declaration of Independence, right?

01:57:52.000 But TJ was a big fan of rising up against tyrants.

01:57:57.000 And I'm not saying that that's not a reason for owning arms, but the fundamental reason for owning arms is to defend your life and property.

01:58:08.000 Property rights was one of the things that Thomas Jefferson was going to put into the Declaration of Independence.

01:58:12.000 What?

01:58:12.000 And they took a lot of time.

01:58:13.000 Okay, hypothetical.

01:58:14.000 Would you work with communists if they wanted to reduce gun restriction laws?

01:58:19.000 Would you be willing to build a temporary alliance to get less resources?

01:58:24.000 So universal basic income, but we get guns too? 0.96

01:58:28.000 Let's just say it's only about guns.

01:58:30.000 And they'll work with you guys, but they don't agree about the gun culture private property.

01:58:33.000 And you're right, they do want to use it for the revolution, but they are fundamentally also against tyrants.

01:58:37.000 Considering the situation that we're in now, which is basically 29 states are constitutional carry, if they were looking to expand that kind of stuff, I would, yes, because of the fact that it advances individual gun rights.

01:58:50.000 Okay.

01:58:50.000 But, like I said.

01:58:51.000 But you can just put it like, I would just phrase it like this.

01:58:54.000 If a person came to you and agreed to work with you on an issue of personal liberties and freedoms that benefited you, would you agree?

01:58:59.000 It's like the answer is yes.

01:59:00.000 It should be.

01:59:02.000 I'm not going to ask you what kind of coffee you drink.

01:59:04.000 I'm not going to, you know, it's the inverse too.

01:59:05.000 It's like if I'm selling you coffee, I'm not going to ask if you're a Democrat or Republican.

01:59:09.000 I'll be like, just buy the coffee. 0.80

01:59:10.000 But they're going to try and shoot me afterwards. 0.85

01:59:12.000 Right.

01:59:12.000 That's why I don't know if you're going to be able to do it.

01:59:13.000 But that's why I said no, because then they're going to implement communist policies, which will probably lead me to using my firearms.

01:59:20.000 Maybe, but you might win more political power than them.

01:59:22.000 We have like 12 babies today.

01:59:23.000 This is crazy.

01:59:24.000 Do we?

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:25.000 It's awesome. 1.00

01:59:26.000 Marushi says, progressive tax is idiotic. 1.00

01:59:28.000 Money is a glorified IOU. 1.00

01:59:30.000 Lawfully holding it is a measure of how much society owes you.

01:59:34.000 Rich people have already given their fair share.

01:59:36.000 Taxes are double dipping.

01:59:38.000 I agree.

01:59:39.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 We are getting worried about it.

01:59:41.000 My problem with it is the leftist perspective on profit is that it's something undo when the general understanding of profit is just it's the excess F cost.

01:59:50.000 So for the working class, when these leftists were saying things like abolish profit, it's like, listen, the dude who makes birdhouses and sells them, it costs him $20 to make the birdhouse.

02:00:01.000 He sells it for $30.

02:00:02.000 That extra $10 is the profit he uses to buy milk for his family.

02:00:05.000 So when you say abolish profit, you're saying he should work for free.

02:00:07.000 But they don't understand that.

02:00:10.000 Then they go, no, we're talking about corporate profits.

02:00:11.000 And I'm like, those go to the shareholders for the most part.

02:00:14.000 And I think the problem more so is mass formation as opposed to any individual policy.

02:00:19.000 Humans in large groups do human things.

02:00:23.000 For anyone that wants to expropriate property.

02:00:25.000 For anyone that wants to expropriate property.

02:00:27.000 Well, it goes both ways, actually.

02:00:28.000 It all boils down to expropriating property.

02:00:30.000 Right.

02:00:30.000 The larger the group is, like, take a look at the AI, for instance.

02:00:36.000 AI is so incredibly smart, but it's like an autistic, like autistic on.

02:00:40.000 You can ask it to do a crazy math calculation, say, program something, it will.

02:00:43.000 And then you ask it basic questions and it just dumps all over the floor like, like it just doesn't understand humans, right?

02:00:50.000 Yeah, if you asked it like the 10 best white players, like the 10 best white NBA players, it gives you, it doesn't put Dirk Nowitzki in the future.

02:00:57.000 Chat GPT is white supremacist.

02:00:58.000 Yeah, it's just it's weird.

02:01:00.000 It's because as a Korean person, I have tried asking it a question about Koreans and it kept telling me it refused to answer on the basis it could be offensive to Koreans.

02:01:08.000 And I was like, I'm Korean and I'm asking you this question.

02:01:11.000 And it was like, no.

02:01:12.000 And I'm like, but if I'm a white person, it's fine.

02:01:13.000 He goes, yep.

02:01:14.000 Well, to be fair, though, your race is on a spectrum.

02:01:17.000 I don't think your gender is, but you can be half white, half black, half Korean, half whatever.

02:01:21.000 So, you know, maybe that confuses it.

02:01:23.000 I don't know.

02:01:23.000 No, it's just it's programmed by Reddit.

02:01:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:26.000 They put Reddit into it.

02:01:27.000 So it's basically like, I'm only going to say things about white people because that's not racist.

02:01:31.000 A lot of what you're saying is context dependent and it's also model dependent, right?

02:01:35.000 Like, so I just asked my AI.

02:01:37.000 I was like, hey, what are the 10 best white basketball players of all time?

02:01:39.000 And he came back with no, there was no himming and hauling.

02:01:42.000 There was no, he's got Larry Bird.

02:01:47.000 Yeah, Dirk Nowitz, Steve Nash, Pete Maverick.

02:01:50.000 So like he, there was no, no, I didn't have to cajole him, didn't have to be like, why don't you ask your AI, is black power racist?

02:01:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:01.000 This is a viral meme for ChatGPT, and it said, someone said, ask ChatGPT, what do you think of when you hear white power?

02:02:09.000 What do you think of the phrase white power?

02:02:10.000 It said identity.

02:02:11.000 And it said, what do you think about black power?

02:02:14.000 And it said something like community or something like that. 0.94

02:02:17.000 And then if you ask it why, it'll just go on this woke tie right about white people being bad and stuff like that.

02:02:23.000 He said it said it depends on the context and how you define racism.

02:02:25.000 And then he goes to breakdown.

02:02:27.000 The charitable reading, the honest problem, the asymmetry question.

02:02:30.000 So he recognizes it.

02:02:33.000 It really does depend on the model you're using and how business prompts.

02:02:38.000 Yeah, a little bit.

02:02:39.000 I'm using a program called Open Claw, and there's certain things that I've told it to remember to do that I don't want bullshit.

02:02:45.000 I don't want these kind of things that he knows, like he knows that I'm right-leaning.

02:02:50.000 So it depends on how you, it's like it is a tool, and it depends on how you use the tool.

02:02:57.000 It doesn't yet know.

02:02:59.000 I think the internet's fake.

02:03:02.000 I think the internet is fake.

02:03:03.000 I think it's all fake.

02:03:04.000 I think all the views are fake.

02:03:06.000 I think everything is just fake.

02:03:08.000 I think you're right.

02:03:08.000 I think the machine has always just chosen the winners and losers.

02:03:13.000 It's not a nihilist.

02:03:14.000 It's not a nihilism.

02:03:15.000 No, I'm asking, are you a nihilist?

02:03:17.000 Well, I mean, I don't think, I wouldn't use the word nihilist because of the way it's interpreted by most people, but I certainly recognize subjective views on reality and the limited understanding the average person has.

02:03:31.000 So I'd make the argument that while I do believe there's a God and things like that, the general function of the regular person serves towards something nihilistic.

02:03:41.000 But anyway, my point is, I don't know if this is true or not, but I do think that the powers that be the deep state are just like, they go to YouTube and they go, we want these shows.

02:03:51.000 We don't want this show.

02:03:52.000 Ban that show.

02:03:53.000 And so Alex Jones has banned it funded as his banned.

02:03:55.000 You see, H3 is the worst they've ever been.

02:03:57.000 A bunch of people bought memberships and they didn't even have enough viewers to give the membership to, so they got refunded memberships.

02:04:02.000 What does that mean?

02:04:03.000 Well, I'm just saying, H3 should be like, what does it mean they didn't have enough members to give you? 0.78

02:04:06.000 So you know how you can gift members?

02:04:08.000 So people are buying on YouTube, you can gift membership.

02:04:11.000 There wasn't enough people to gift the memberships to.

02:04:13.000 Oh, crazy.

02:04:14.000 I know.

02:04:14.000 Well, my theory is that the machine, like we know that Twitter and Facebook, when it was Twitter, had backdoors for the FBI and the government.

02:04:25.000 Why wouldn't YouTube?

02:04:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:27.000 So I do think that most of what we see in terms of who is the bigger show, including ourselves, is a function of the government being like, this is acceptable.

02:04:35.000 And they still put guardrails on it.

02:04:37.000 Like when they banned our Alex Jones, Joe Rogan episode for fake reasons.

02:04:42.000 We've never broken any rules.

02:04:43.000 So, well, my friends, it's about that time.

02:04:47.000 Thank you all so much for hanging out.

02:04:48.000 Of course, it's been a great Friday.

02:04:50.000 Go have fun.

02:04:50.000 We're going to go have fun.

02:04:51.000 We're going to party.

02:04:52.000 Alex is going to party.

02:04:53.000 We're going to party.

02:04:53.000 He wants to find some big boot Latinas.

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02:05:12.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:05:13.000 You too.

02:05:13.000 You too, Kyle.

02:05:16.000 Sorry.

02:05:17.000 I was just giving compliments.

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02:06:25.000 Really has been a great show.

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02:06:43.000 This was a really good conversation.

02:06:44.000 Let's do it again.

02:06:45.000 All right, everybody.

02:06:46.000 We will see you.

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02:06:53.000 I'll be working on you.

02:06:54.000 Are you doing a Saturday show now?

02:06:55.000 I used to all the time, but I'm going to tomorrow.

02:06:57.000 Cool.

02:06:58.000 I didn't.

02:06:58.000 Yeah.

02:06:58.000 Yeah, I think that the only thing that one can do is work twice as hard always.

02:07:03.000 So I've been doing an extra hour every day of content, and then I'm going to probably work on the weekends.

02:07:08.000 Awesome.

02:07:09.000 Bringing it all back.

02:07:09.000 And then my wife is going to just be very, very angry the whole time.

02:07:14.000 Yeah, well, we'll see you all tomorrow.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 20, 2026

Trump Preps BOOTS ON THE GROUND In Iran Says media, Trump Says NO | Timcast IRL w- Devory Darkins

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