In this episode of Pop Culture Crisis, we talk about a chemical attack on a woman attending a Trump rally, the new song "Coming Home," and the new movie "Am I Racist?" Plus, the Fed Chair admits that illegal immigration is causing high unemployment.
00:00:21.000Earlier in the morning, I covered this on my morning show, that there were about six people suffering these injuries after attending a Trump rally.
00:00:26.000The Blaze is now reporting it's up to around 20 individuals who have these mysterious symptoms, and they're investigating a possible chemical attack.
00:00:34.000One woman said that after attending the rally, her eyes became irritated.
00:00:37.000She went to the hospital, and they said that Have you been sprayed by something?
00:00:42.000Because it looks like this might be a chemical spray of some sort.
00:00:45.000Now, some people speculated that could be UV lights.
00:00:48.000They were not properly installed or something happened.
00:00:49.000We don't know for sure, but we'll be talking about that.
00:00:52.000Plus, we got some funny stories where the Fed chair admits that illegal immigration is causing high unemployment.
00:01:23.000Go to buycominghome.com and you can pre-order the new song by us here at Timcast, produced by Carter Banks, featuring Phil Labonte of All That Remains.
00:01:36.000is about an individual who is coming home to find out what his country has turned into, and I think it's very much a true story that represents the sentiment of many people who went away for whatever reason, came home, and saw the, I don't know, if you go look at San Francisco, the feces all over the streets, the homelessness, the crime, and the lies from their government, and all of this is a part of the song.
00:01:57.000Song will be out September 27th, but for now, you can pre-order on iTunes by going to Buy Coming Home, And of course, with your support, you buy the song, you play the song, you save the song.
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00:02:31.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Matt Walsh.
00:02:35.000Great to be here, and look, we're heading into our second weekend of release with the film, and feeling good.
00:02:44.000We're picking up momentum, and we've got word-of-mouth, which, you know, we're a little tiny underdog story with our film up against the big guys, so it's a word-of-mouth operation, and I'm feeling pretty good about it.
00:02:56.000We got your producer here from the movie as well, Ben Caple.
00:04:17.000Before all the fun, we're going to be serious, because we got this crazy story from the blaze.
00:04:21.000Mysterious symptoms reportedly strike about 20 attendees of Trump rally campaign investigating possible chemical attack.
00:04:29.000They say, attendees at a Trump rally in Tucson, Arizona reportedly experienced mysterious symptoms suspected of being a chemical attack.
00:04:35.000The incident was reported in the independent news outlet, the Arizona Globe.
00:04:38.000The report says that about 20 people in the Latinos for Trump group who appeared on stage experienced the symptoms shortly after the rally ended.
00:04:46.000Alarmingly, the group appeared on the side of the stage where former President Donald Trump made his entry to the rally.
00:04:51.000Among the symptoms of the affected members reported to the Arizona Globe were blurred vision, facial swelling, severe eye pain, which appeared about 30 minutes after the rally ended.
00:05:01.000Some self-treated with milk before seeking treatment at a hospital.
00:05:04.000Another said his face turned red and experienced peeling.
00:05:07.000When they went to the hospital, they were told by staff that others from the rally were there seeking treatment.
00:05:12.000One person was told by a doctor that she was suffering from a chemical burn.
00:05:15.000After the doctor performed a dye test, that person still suffered from light sensitivity and blurry vision days later.
00:05:22.000Christy Kelly, the reporter who broke the story at the Amazon Globe, gave an exclusive comment to The Blaze, providing more detail, saying, I personally spoke to at least eight Latino Trump supporters who were affected at the Tucson rally.
00:05:31.000They are passionate patriots, deeply concerned about President Trump's continued well-being and their own recovery.
00:06:47.000There is this sort of anti-Trump rally sentiment coming and maybe this is sort of a another aspect of like they don't want people to see Trump speak in person because he is captivating because he is charismatic and so if there are rumors that there are injuries or dangers or whatever they're hoping that will deter people from from turning out for him.
00:07:06.000Yeah I'll say that if this story was popping up two months ago I would be pretty sure that something happened and it wasn't a deliberate attack.
00:07:17.000But living in a world where Trump, they've tried to kill Trump twice now, you can't dismiss anything like this.
00:07:23.000And you know, we were talking off air a little bit, just the simple fact that the last assassination attempt was on Sunday.
00:07:31.000And now it's, what is it, Thursday now?
00:07:34.000And it's like it might as well have happened five years ago.
00:07:41.000And it's like, if this did turn out to be an actual chemical attack against Trump supporters, that's another one.
00:07:49.000The only thing we're talking about for the next month, but that story would last about 24 hours and the media would bury it.
00:07:54.000The fact that this story isn't breaking news on every cable channel, 20 attendees are experiencing facial swelling, blurred vision, one woman reported that she was blinded for days.
00:08:09.000Also, couldn't MSNBC be running this as an anti-Trump story, being like Trump doesn't take care of his attendees?
00:08:15.000I mean, the reality is, the story is too in the direction of someone is attacking Donald Trump and his supporters, and even if the left tried to paint this as the venue screwed up and it's, you know, Trump is stupid or whatever, it still sounds too much like there's a bunch of bad things and violence directed towards the right, not the left.
00:08:35.000Which they don't want Trump to seem sympathetic at all, so they can't talk about anything that happens.
00:08:40.000They can't talk about the effects on the rallygoers, and they can't talk about the assassination attempt.
00:08:44.000I mean, really, we were still talking about the Butler assassination attempt at this point in the week in July.
00:08:49.000But instead, with the second attempt, they're saying, well, does it even really count?
00:08:53.000He didn't, the shooter, potential shooter didn't fire off a round.
00:09:14.000I mean, what do you guys want us to do?
00:09:16.000I mean, the scary thing about the second attempt is this guy was a moron.
00:09:19.000And if he was in any way slightly smarter, so he stuck the barrel of his SKS through the fence and the Secret Service, this is what I understand to have happened, they saw the barrel sticking out and the reporting was they're trained to look for straight objects in trees because trees are not straight objects.
00:09:36.000If he had pulled back in the tree line and kept the barrel of his weapon hidden, concealed, I don't know if they would have stopped, they would have caught him.
00:09:48.000The fact that when the first assassination happened, it wasn't a, every radio station in the country, every television channel said, ladies and gentlemen, the former president has been shot.
00:11:18.000But the Trump family and Trump himself were still there.
00:11:21.000And on the Gutfeld point, There was a great moment in Gutfeld where he asks him, uh, tell me something that, you know, like a fact people don't know about you.
00:11:28.000And then Trump laughs and says, oh, we don't, we don't need any scandals right now.
00:11:32.000You know, we're trying to win an election.
00:11:34.000Let's not, uh, he just, he's having, it sounds real.
00:11:37.000And this is, this is the meme of like, you know, they make these movies and these tropes where a comedian who becomes president because he talks like a regular guy.
00:11:45.000And then when Trump does it, they're screeching that he's a Nazi, that he's a fascist, that he's evil.
00:12:11.000He's not just a random guy, he is someone with a specific political bent.
00:12:16.000And one who seems to, I'm not, you know, assuming there's a conspiracy here, but one who had like access to Democratic politicians in the U.S.
00:12:36.000No, I mean, what conspiracy theory on the assassinations is there to entertain, right?
00:12:43.000I don't think that anything we would reasonably discern from the second assassination attempt could warrant what we described as a conspiracy theory.
00:12:51.000So of course, I said on my show when this happens, you've got a guy who reportedly has
00:14:22.000No, I mean, I think the reality is we are going to get as little information about this second person who plotted to kill President Trump as the media and whatever government agencies can possibly give us, right?
00:14:35.000They'll give us something to say, well, we're not incompetent, but they do not want to talk about any potential connection to a foreign government, any sort of political motive.
00:14:43.000And I think that only increases American distrust in these institutions that are saying, no, I mean, the FBI today was saying, we're devoting all of our resources to investigating this.
00:14:53.000Well, what I would say about that is, it's perfectly possible there are conspiracies for both of these things, or they're connected.
00:15:03.000It's also true that Trump's enemies are setting up a situation where you would expect random people to start trying to shoot him.
00:15:12.000I mean, this is what happens when you relentlessly propagandize and tell the American public for like 10 years that this guy is Hitler incarnate.
00:17:15.000I had a senior official from the Department of Homeland Security in my office before the second assassination attempt saying that what he has assessed is that there are five known assassination teams in the United States Three inspired by other governments, two that are known domestic assassination teams.
00:17:37.000And with that, this individual was coming to me concerned that the force protection around President Trump, even prior to that second assassination attempt, was not sufficient for what it needed to be.
00:17:49.000And the coordination at that level, at the dignitary protection level, is like The bare minimum that we have to do to keep our presidents, our presidential candidates safe while they're on the trail.
00:18:01.000So there are five—I just want to follow up—five assassination teams.
00:18:08.000No, I should have been clear about that.
00:18:09.000Five teams that we know are targeting Trump, and so that raises real questions about why certain teams were being pulled off of the Trump deal detail and put on, for example, the Jill Biden detail.
00:18:21.000Now, we don't want anything bad to happen to Jill Biden, but at the same time, the threat envelope For her, it was substantially different than the threat envelope around President Trump, and it would not have necessitated pulling assets away from the Trump detail for the Jill Biden detail, or the John Bolton detail, or any other details that were beefed up.
00:18:40.000At the same time, the requests from the Trump detail and from the Trump campaign for more security were going unanswered.
00:18:47.000Yeah, they're saying that, you know, Trump's not the president, so he's not going to get this level of security.
00:18:52.000With what Matt Gaetz is saying right now, that they know he is being targeted by at least five teams, I have to wonder, for what reason then would they deny him extra security?
00:19:03.000Well, Biden kind of passed it off on Congress, right?
00:19:06.000The day after he said, you know, I'm glad, you know, President Trump is safe and secure and Secret Service should get more resources.
00:19:12.000And he's basically saying that's something that Congress has to authorize more funding to do.
00:19:16.000I mean, so often it seems like when the federal or when the executive branch could step in and do something, they're like, But those crazy Republicans in the legislative branch, there's nothing we can do.
00:19:28.000It's, I think, a level of irresponsibility.
00:19:32.000They don't want to be accountable for the situations they're creating.
00:19:36.000The most likely conspiracy that I can see is just this, that they are not doing everything that they could be doing and should be doing to protect Trump because they don't actually care if he lives.
00:19:47.000We talk about conspiracies, there's different levels of You know, the highest level will be there's actually, in the government, they're conspiring to take him out.
00:19:57.000Then there's several degrees down, and somewhere you end up in a situation where they're just, where they say, well, why do we, you know, we don't want to keep him alive, so we're not going to make the effort to do it.
00:20:07.000Yeah, it's sort of the sit back, wait, and eventually something bad happens if no one's paying attention.
00:20:12.000When the first attack happened, I asked three questions.
00:20:36.000And the third question is, is it possible that some of the people who work in government, in federal law enforcement, are some of these Democrats who suffer from TDS?
00:20:46.000I mean, it'd be absurd not to assume that.
00:20:48.000And that being the case, you have to wonder about how someone like this Crooks guy is able to, I don't know, fly a drone over Trump's rally, bring a weapon into Trump's rally, sneak in behind the building, how there was no security on top of the building, how they spotted him, you know, three hours, one hour, 27 minutes, 10 minutes, and two minutes before anything happened, identifying him each time.
00:21:13.000Two minutes, they had two minutes from when people spotted the gun and they didn't pull him from the stage.
00:21:17.000I'm like, Makes me wonder how that's possible.
00:21:20.000I mean, because if those things are all coincidences, y'all better go buy some lottery tickets because you're going to win.
00:21:26.000So I think it was a Richard Blumenthal or some Democratic senator from Connecticut who went out and made a statement.
00:21:32.000And this is a Dem saying this, that it's hard not to look at this and saying that the federal government wasn't trying to get Trump killed.
00:21:39.000He's been doing it for a couple weeks, but more recently was saying, you know, the Department of Homeland Security is stonewalling us.
00:21:46.000I mean, this is an interesting division to have crop up.
00:21:50.000I think that the Democrats also want answers because there is sort of a rogue division, even among people they would normally look at as their allies.
00:21:57.000They're just not cooperating that well.
00:21:59.000What do you think, Matt, what do you think is going to happen in the next couple of months?
00:22:02.000We've got, what, 47 days until the election?
00:22:06.000What I think is going to happen politically, on the election?
00:22:09.000Well, so, I'll put it this way, you know, people are saying October surprise.
00:22:18.000You would think if this is all being scripted out, then we're in for some great season finale here.
00:22:26.000But it's kind of like the craziest things have already happened.
00:22:29.000I mean, you had the incumbent president Drop out basically under force.
00:22:35.000You had two assassination attempts to go along with everything else.
00:22:39.000I wonder if there's a kind of exhaustion that's setting in with the American public just because we've had such a, it's the most insane presidential campaign certainly in my lifetime, maybe in American history, at least in modern American history, I think certainly.
00:22:56.000Is there a certain amount of exhaustion that sets in?
00:22:58.000And then what effect does that have come election day?
00:23:02.000Who does that... If people start kind of tuning it out because it's just too much, who does that help?
00:25:02.000So really what it means is that by the time we get to election day, it's impossible to predict because we kind of have to know what happens that week because that's probably going to be what determines it.
00:25:10.000So do you think that's when, you know, the Harris-Wallace campaign will release whatever serious bomb they have hiding?
00:25:15.000Is that what the Trump campaign is going to ramp up?
00:25:34.000Because you would think you take any politician, especially anyone who's been to the level that Trump has, and you pour through their life for years at a time looking for anything you can to destroy them.
00:25:45.000You would think you'd be able to find a lot worse than they've been able to find on Trump.
00:25:49.000And I think whatever there is on Trump, it's out there.
00:25:54.000So it's hard for me to imagine they have any kind of October surprise up their sleeve.
00:25:58.000I mean, I certainly think they'll try something.
00:26:02.000Yeah, with two assassination attempts, with Joe Biden dropping out, with the Teamsters now overwhelmingly supporting Trump, I cannot fathom what we would see.
00:26:13.000I wouldn't be surprised if aliens showed up or something.
00:27:20.000But wouldn't that just be, you know, like I was saying, God's side project, or how would that play into things?
00:27:25.000Well, I don't know if I, well, that's the thing, we can't exactly know how it factors into God's grand design, but We are mere mortals after all.
00:27:34.000No matter what, there's so much in the universe that we cannot even possibly comprehend.
00:27:37.000Well, I'll say this, with as insane as this political cycle has been, you get everyone making the joke, they were making it last year, they're making it this year, that the writers of this new season of reality have run out of things to write about.
00:27:51.000The joke being that life has become so absurd that certainly we are in a simulation or some kind of TV show entertainment for somebody.
00:28:02.000I mean, and also it's made people so, that's kind of what I was saying before, it's made people so jaded that they're just kind of bored with it all and not able to pay attention to any of it.
00:28:13.000There are a lot of people who will be watching a show for years, but they'll be like, oh, but that fifth season just kind of went off the rails, so I stopped watching.
00:28:19.000I mean, that is sort of what I think might be happening to the American voting population.
00:29:05.000It's very telling about how they see themselves.
00:29:07.000There was this viral tweet recently, Matt, I don't know if you saw, where there was an NPR interview and some of the guys were talking about they got their testosterone levels checked and one guy's testosterone was 114.
00:29:18.000Anybody who knows anything about that, that person is ill.
00:31:28.000Trump and all his MAGA buddies are out there making it worse, shouting nonsense in their stupid red hats and acting like they speak for us when they don't.
00:31:37.000All they've ever done is screw us over.
00:31:39.000But if you're not on the MAGA train, where do you go?
00:31:42.000Isn't it just swapping out one crappy option for another?
00:32:54.000It's funny because you said it's written by women.
00:32:57.000You ever see that comedy bit where a guy says, so a buddy of mine, he's going through a divorce and things have been rough and I guess he's going to get back into dating so we go golfing.
00:33:09.000When I come home my wife says, so how is he?
00:34:52.000By the way, and then they get into the whole thing, so they can't even appeal to men without dumping them.
00:34:56.000I don't know if you could make an effective ad for men in general for Kamala, because she doesn't offer anything substantive to a man.
00:35:05.000And let me clarify that, because you may be saying, sure, but what do you mean?
00:35:07.000I mean, if I was going to make an ad that was literally about apolitical dudes who are sitting there, they don't want to be bothered, I'd be like, hey, you guys remember when Donald Trump called Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig?
00:35:18.000And they're gonna laugh, and they're like, that's funny.
00:35:20.000And it's like, that's all you need to do.
00:35:22.000The guys are gonna be sitting around, they're gonna be ribbing on each other, they're joking, they're crude, they're crass.
00:35:26.000Kamala doesn't have anything that's gonna make a guy laugh.
00:35:28.000But also, the problem they run into is that there's just, there is no room in the country where any white men are sitting around talking about how they like Kamala Harris.
00:35:58.000I think she's pretty intimidated by men.
00:36:00.000I think it's interesting that she won't sit down.
00:36:01.000Number one, that she picked Tim Walls, who is soy, as you can get, as her VP, and then every time she tries to, like, say she's doing an interview, it's with female interviewers, and they're always mostly allowing her.
00:36:14.000What is her appeal to white guys, by the way?
00:36:15.000She's like, well, this guy, like... She clearly understands what appeals to white men.
00:36:19.000Knows how to eat a turkey leg, but also will put tampons in a men's restroom.
00:36:23.000But look at that interview thing she did where she was like, you know, do you eat food?
00:36:28.000And he's like, I have white guy tacos.
00:37:14.000But we all know the funny thing is he was lying because he actually had some award-winning casserole recipe with cayenne and garlic.
00:37:21.000That's a really good, you know, that's, I never, that's a good point.
00:37:23.000We fought and died for spices, damn it.
00:37:25.000And now you're trying to take spices away from us?
00:37:29.000This is part of the lie that they engage in, you know, these woke, anti-racist, all these people you know very well play this game where, you know, it was only like seven years ago, a big talking point was that white people have no culture.
00:37:44.000This was a huge thing they were saying.
00:37:45.000They were saying, no, no, white people have no culture.
00:38:34.000I agree with the sentiment that, you know, there's no such thing as white culture because it's just so broad and so absurd.
00:38:39.000Like, there's certainly such thing as an American culture, and that's something I participate in.
00:38:42.000There's something as, you know, German culture, Swedish culture, Nordic culture in general.
00:38:47.000But to just paint Europe and the West with a broad brush and be like, well, you know, you whiteys have your own thing.
00:38:54.000Sure, when you guys have not nearly as much in common with, you know, the average German walking around as you do.
00:39:00.000But I think it's needlessly reductive.
00:39:05.000There are white people who have certain cultural elements.
00:39:09.000When you come from Europe, there are certain things that are broadly shared, and there are certain things that are not.
00:39:15.000And it's just like, you can make the point you made.
00:39:17.000I think it's a point that, well, you can identify German culture, but I don't see, I don't know why they're so mad about saying, you know, trying to make that a point.
00:39:28.000It's like you but you can't have it both ways I think that's because they try to have it both ways because they'll say well there's no such thing as white culture and then they'll give an answer much like what what you said that well yeah you break it I mean you'd break it down by where did you come from and yeah there's an Irish culture there's a um and okay but then It's the same thing for black because black is not, you know, there's how many different countries could you come from to qualify as black according to our standards?
00:39:53.000I agree with this, you know, I was born in Ethiopia, you know, there is this Ethiopian cultural identity.
00:40:00.000And that is separate from, you know, I don't know what the hell black culture is besides a ridiculously degrading and
00:41:24.000I think it's both, but it's mainly the first thing.
00:41:29.000But they will say, I mean you'll hear from any Republican, well here's how we're going to help black Americans, here's how we're going to help women, here's how we're going to help Asians.
00:41:37.000They'll say all that and that's fine, but then there's this whole other category, well we're not going to specifically talk about how we're going to help those people, and it's just interesting that the Democrats are the only ones doing that right now.
00:41:49.000Of course they're doing it in a really insulting way.
00:41:51.000And it's not that it wouldn't be smart for Republicans to do it, but the general point is just stop doing it.
00:41:56.000It's a really reductive way to just view this country and the complementary aspect of the most beneficial aspect of this country.
00:42:03.000But the Harris-Walls campaign is completely bent on identifying to people based on race.
00:42:07.000I mean, that's the reason she's appearing at the Hispanic conference today.
00:42:11.000She's talking to black journalists specifically.
00:42:14.000She's attending black sorority functions.
00:42:15.000I mean, she is obviously acknowledging that the Democratic organizers that are behind her see our country through the lens of race exclusively, which is interesting because they're also arguing they're the most unifying party.
00:42:28.000Well, she's also mentioning the debate that, you know, Republicans need to get off of this whole race business.
00:42:33.000Meanwhile, I will only talk to you if you're circled up by race.
00:42:38.000I don't know about who's going to win.
00:43:19.000I tell you, I was sitting at a wing place the other day and there was a couple of construction worker guys and the things they were saying, you know, they would never say in a larger public context.
00:43:29.000But these guys were voting for Trump, the stuff they were saying.
00:43:32.000They were talking about capital punishment and how to get this country right.
00:43:34.000And I'm like, I know exactly who they're voting for.
00:43:36.000But there are a bunch of Democrats who are probably older.
00:43:45.000I'm saying I agree with you, liberal, that there is a component to some degree in this country that will not vote for her.
00:43:52.000And here's what I wonder, if she's up in the polls by a point or two, but she could lose a point or two because there are a lot of men and women who will not vote for a woman because she is a woman, that's the liberal talking point on inherent sexism.
00:44:33.000I remember there was some psychological experiment done around the 2016 election where they scripted a debate between a female Trump character, it wasn't said explicitly, and a male Hillary, and most of the respondents said they would vote for the female.
00:45:43.000I also think there's no other male Trump.
00:45:45.000I mean, Trump is really unique in a lot of ways.
00:45:47.000There are other people who share his maybe values or ideas or, you know, interests politically, but you couldn't recreate Trump.
00:45:54.000I think it's a mistake to try regardless of gender.
00:45:57.000Yeah, he's a very unique guy, but you can even look at a lot of his personality traits and you can say, oh yeah, I know guys that are kind of like that, kind of like that.
00:46:28.000It's not certified fresh because we don't have enough ratings and we'll never have enough ratings because the mainstream critics are completely ignoring this film like it doesn't exist.
00:46:36.000Isn't it true that you guys had sent a link for the preview or like to review the movie early to a left-wing critic?
00:46:44.000He wrote a critical review but then you saw that he had never actually watched it?
00:47:01.000And on this one, we sent it out for critics to screen weeks ahead of time, as you do when you're When you have a film and you're proud of it, you think it'll get good reviews.
00:47:15.000And we sent it out and we got a whole bunch of responses from a lot of independent critics who basically told us to F off and they've got no interest.
00:47:21.000They would never review a movie by Matt Walsh.
00:47:27.000And then the mainstream critics, we actually had a few that Rolling Stone, for example, asked for a screen or we gave it to them and expressed some interest in reviewing it, never published a review.
00:47:36.000There were a couple other mainstream critics that seemed like they were interested in reviewing it, never published a review.
00:47:43.000And, you know, I'm biased, of course, in my feeling on this, but I have been wondering, like, well, Why wouldn't they just publish a review and rip it apart, and pan it, and say that it's terrible?
00:47:55.000That's what they usually do with, you know, quote-unquote conservative movies.
00:48:20.000And if they were to give any kind of honest review, any kind of credible review, I'm not saying they'd have to give it four stars, but they'd have to at least give it some credit.
00:48:30.000They wouldn't be able to claim that it's just a total artistic disaster.
00:48:35.000But then they also know that if they were to publish a review, Even if it was like, one and a half stars, this is a bad movie, but you know, it's got this and this going for it.
00:48:54.000And so that's why they're just ignoring it, I think.
00:48:56.000Do you think any reviewers sent their editors a moderate review, like you're saying, some negative, some positive, and the person got it and was like, I just can't run this.
00:49:10.000We have had a couple of well-known reviewers who are not mainstream because they don't work for mainstream publications, but we had some of these YouTube reviewers.
00:49:17.000Jeremy Johns is a big one, and he published a review, which we really appreciate.
00:49:21.000It was a positive review, and he's got millions of subscribers.
00:49:24.000And yeah, and then the left spent several days on Twitter attacking this guy and calling him racist.
00:49:31.000For watching, not even, it was like, not even for liking the movie.
00:49:35.000It's just the simple fact that he watched it and said anything about it made him racist automatically.
00:49:39.000And I think a lot of these other reviewers are looking at that and they're like, I don't want any part of that.
00:49:43.000Yeah, so you ended up with, you've got ten reviews, you've got over a thousand audience verified ratings, giving it a 98% verified hot.
00:49:52.000I give the film, my review is 10 out of 10, and I think it is fair to call it a masterpiece.
00:49:57.000And what I mean by that is not some empty platitude of, this thing is so good I call it a masterpiece.
00:50:02.000What I mean is, in terms of what you are trying to accomplish with the film, at least as far as I see it, the film is produced perfectly.
00:50:32.000It's packed, about 90% packed, to the point where you're not going to buy a ticket in this theater because you're going to be like splitting up from your group and one person, you know, you're going to be in that one seat in between two groups of people.
00:50:42.000So the whole theater is laughing their ass off the entire time.
00:50:46.000I'm in one of the front rows because it was hard to actually get good seats and just laughing endlessly.
00:51:00.000Over 1,000 ratings, they come to Rotten Tomatoes, they review it.
00:51:03.000For a while, Rotten Tomatoes seemed to have been intentionally censoring the reviews you did have that were all good.
00:51:10.000There were five good reviews from big names, and it said zero.
00:51:14.000And then it went to seven and eight good reviews, and it said zero.
00:51:18.000And only when they get two negative ratings do they now put the view all in there and give the score and put it at 80%, which is still good.
00:51:28.000It wasn't until they got, yeah, they had to get a couple of the bad ones in there, and so you could see that you're featuring the bad ones nice and prominently there.
00:51:41.000Because I did a 20-minute video, it's got half a million views, where I said it's a great film, here's why, here's what I think is great about it.
00:51:48.000How come my YouTube video is not listed in a review on this as a positive one?
00:51:59.000And it is absurd, especially when it's someone that you know, like there's no chance in hell that that person would give us anything but a bad review.
00:52:26.000Uh, I think that there is, but also I take issue with the kind of the premise there that I don't know that a movie has to have a call to action exactly.
00:52:36.000And that's one of the things that some of the, you know, we've gotten a lot of good reaction from the audience, which I appreciate.
00:52:41.000I have seen some of the criticism and some of it, you know, some of it I think is valid.
00:52:44.000It's not like any movie you could criticize.
00:52:47.000Some of the criticism, even from the right, some of the criticism we've gotten, it's from people that don't seem to understand what a movie is supposed to do.
00:52:53.000And also don't seem to understand that we are, that this is supposed to be a comedy.
00:52:57.000Um, so I've gotten, for example, I've gotten the, every once in a while I've heard feedback from people saying, um, well, you know, during that race to dinner scene, uh, you know, it was good and you were exposing the crazy things they were saying, but I didn't like how you were, you were interrupting too much.
00:53:22.000Because the basic criticism there is someone saying, basically, you should have made a different kind of movie than the one you made.
00:53:29.000And that's, you can't, that's not a valid criticism.
00:53:32.000That's like watching, you know, Die Hard and saying there should have been a lot more comedy in it.
00:53:38.000It's like, that's not what, It's a different kind of movie.
00:53:41.000You have to judge the movie based on what it's trying to accomplish, which I appreciate.
00:53:45.000The mistakes made by so many of these right-wing culture warriors who are well-intentioned and want to make culture is that they make things overtly political.
00:53:56.000And, you know, I can even point to The Daily Wire and say why this one is so good.
00:54:00.000The criticisms I heard of Lady Ballers was that it was overtly preachy, that it was actually telling you the point of the film, whereas Am I Racist is a funny film.
00:54:20.000It's not you saying, hey, look, what they're doing is bad.
00:54:23.000It's you exploring this world and doing comedy.
00:54:28.000Interrupting somebody, asking them a question.
00:54:31.000You know, the opening scene where you're in this big group of people and you keep trying to talk and then you're like, I was going to say that.
00:54:41.000And so what you get out of that, the reason why it's substantially more effective politically by not being overtly political, is that if I tell somebody I know who doesn't like politics to go see it as a comedy film, they're going to laugh at you tripping and falling.
00:54:54.000They're going to laugh at you trying to put the butter on the plate when the person's telling you not to.
00:54:57.000And the butt of the joke is, hey, look how silly these people are.
00:55:01.000So the impression that people get from it is, Matt is a funny guy.
00:55:30.000The message cannot come before the story, and in this case, the comedy, if it's a comedy.
00:55:37.000And this is a mistake that, it's a mistake that kind of, you know, you look at like Christian movies historically for the last 20 or 30 years, and there have been some good ones.
00:55:45.000I'm not, I'm not trying to, you know, write them all off, but...
00:55:49.000One of the major problems with Christian films for so long is that the message was obviously the first priority.
00:55:56.000And so they said to themselves, well, we got the message down.
00:56:04.000And so then the script and the writing and the acting and all that, the production value doesn't matter as much.
00:56:09.000But the problem with that is that you end up with a bad movie.
00:56:12.000And when you have a bad movie, then you also don't get the message across as well as you want to, because people aren't watching the movie.
00:56:17.000The only people that are going to watch the movie are the ones who are only there for the message.
00:56:20.000And those are exactly the people who don't need to hear the message because that's what they're there for.
00:56:24.000So you have to, it's like in a way, and it's a little bit, especially when you're, when you do have a message you want to get across, it feels a little bit, especially for me, it feels a little counterintuitive, but you have to kind of let the message take a back seat.
00:56:39.000So that, ultimately, it'll do a better job of communicating the message.
00:57:30.000So you give it a backseat and you let the jokes exist as normal jokes that are that are relatable to the average person.
00:57:37.000And then you otherize the negative thing and make it the butt of the joke.
00:57:40.000I think people are turned off when it's too heavy handed.
00:57:43.000Like when you're saying Christian movies are just sort of like, this is the message and that's all we're going to focus on, it takes away the subtlety.
00:57:49.000And I think so much of, similar to political exhaustion, so much of what people are looking for is to consume media without it being the message or the point being shoved down their throats.
00:58:00.000They want to be having an intellectual or emotional experience with it and if you're just saying, and now you feel sad and now you feel happy and that's good and that's bad, it's not really anything that people want to subject themselves to.
00:58:13.000Conservative entertainment can sometimes fall into, and New Norm is probably an example of this, it's kind of like this conservative version of what I would call reference humor.
00:58:24.000And you think back to, you know, back in the mid-2000s, there was this string of movies, it was like disaster movie, epic movie, date movie, you know what I'm talking about?
00:59:13.000Um, which I think is, is sometimes lacking.
00:59:16.000So when you're storyboarding, when you're prepping the movie, Ben, maybe this is a question for you, but you're obviously in the back of your mind knowing that some people are going to miss the mark.
00:59:26.000They're going to want it to be a really serious documentary when it's actually a comedy.
00:59:30.000They're going to misunderstand why you decided to make this choice in editing.
00:59:35.000Is it something that you decide how much of that you're willing to absorb, or what's the cost-benefit analysis there?
00:59:42.000Well, I definitely want to hear Matt's comments on this, because, you know, a lot.
00:59:47.000This movie is his film, he's a producer on this film as well, and he's allowed to take full creative ownership of it, and he should.
00:59:57.000But I really want to give credit to our director, Justin Folk, for keeping all of us and our entire team with our eyes on the prize here, which is to make a good movie and one that we all wanted to watch and one that hits the marks that we were achieving for ourselves.
01:00:14.000There's a quote about a conductor when he's conducting a band, and that's you have to actually turn your back to the audience to do that well.
01:00:21.000So there's definitely an aspect of that, and just trusting that we are good artists, we know how to make good art, and people will support that.
01:00:28.000Another example of why I rate this 10 out of 10, the intro editing and music.
01:00:35.000Something as really simple as the graphics used, where it's showing the various names of people involved in the introduction, and the style, the editing, the imagery, the graphic art and design was spot on.
01:00:46.000Pacing was perfect, the songs were a good music choice.
01:00:50.000I haven't seen a good comedy film in a very, very long time.
01:00:53.000Most movies that we see that are comedy are just passively comedy.
01:00:58.000Ant-Man, I mentioned this the other night, is a superhero movie that is also a comedy, but kind of.
01:01:03.000Like, this was actually a comedy film that was edited to be one.
01:01:07.000Yeah, I'm glad you bring up the editing, because in this movie, in this kind of movie in particular, the editing is, you know, of course editing is always important in any film, but in a film like this, when you're dealing with a lot of raw footage, and you're going out and doing things in real life, and then you kind of have to construct the story after the fact, The editing is all the more important.
01:01:23.000So, so much of this, Justin Folk, director, but also, you know, kind of lead editor also on the project, and then our other editor, Marshall, they, you know, there were early versions of the film that Are just night and day that we're like with our first couple of versions were just not good.
01:01:43.000And it's all the same kind of material.
01:01:45.000It's all the same stuff, but you have to go back in and find it's like finding that.
01:02:59.000We started with a broad outline of what we wanted the movie to be, what we kind of wanted the quote unquote journey to be.
01:03:04.000But you're right that it's like, well, we don't actually know what anyone's going to do or how they're going to respond.
01:03:10.000So then you go out and you do something and there's always kind of a curveball thrown at you, which may take Yeah, so we had the outline and we ended up maybe like the first few steps of the outline that we actually did and then it just goes way off over here because we have to kind of follow the ball.
01:03:27.000So then I'll ask you, did they actually know who you are and you got up and left the room and someone went, hey, that's Matt Walsh?
01:03:50.000I've made a bunch of mini-docs, I've made a handful of longer-form documentaries, and so when I was watching this, and after, like, first of all, I mean, that first woman, when you're talking about Moana and your daughter, I'm just, dude, it was painful how much, it was, like, the laughter was painful.
01:04:06.000Everybody, the whole theater wouldn't shut up, they were laughing so much.
01:04:09.000And then after a few scenes, when I realized how you would have had to have done this, I'm like, not only did they make a movie, they were navigating a maze as they were doing it to make it work.
01:04:21.000I want to go back to that opening scene, the workshop, because there's some behind-the-scenes really, really funny stuff that happened when Matt was running across state lines to make sure that, you know, the cops weren't chasing after him after they called the police.
01:05:26.000There's a whole second movie with this guy, the behind the scenes movie of the movie, and the kind of acting that's had to go on, and much of that will never be, it was not on film.
01:05:41.000You guys have to release a DVD with a special feature so we can see all these.
01:05:43.000I will say that, I mean, I wasn't there when they called the cops and all that, but that seminar was supposed to go on for another hour, but they were so distraught emotionally by what happened that they had to stop.
01:05:54.000And there were all kinds of comments I heard after the fact.
01:05:57.000There was concerns, right, from some in the crowd.
01:06:00.000Yeah, there's a school nearby and they're like, there's kids here!
01:06:32.000Our original concept of what is a woman was actually supposed to be a little bit closer to air, in that our original idea was that I would go and talk to, and if you remember in that movie, the first person we talked to is this therapist, this, you know, woke gender therapist, and I ask her, maybe if I'm a woman, and she says, yeah, you probably are, And so the original concept was we wanted to kind of build from that.
01:06:59.000Cause now I'm like, okay, I must be a woman.
01:07:01.000And so then we're going to build from that and let like one thing lead to another where I kind of believe her.
01:07:06.000And then we put that into action and then we kind of filmed the rest of it.
01:07:10.000And, and, uh, it just, it turned out that that wasn't really going to work for an angle.
01:07:14.000And we decided to go this direction instead.
01:07:17.000And this one, we kind of went back to that and said, okay, we really want to get that feeling of this thing building.
01:07:22.000So that we go and talk to one person, and I learn things, and it kind of changes my perspective.
01:07:27.000And then we go to the next place, and it just builds and builds and builds, so that by the end of the movie, this thing can get really weird and kind of dark, and it kind of has this feeling of building.
01:07:37.000You want to document ascending through the cult.
01:08:34.000You know, there was a kind of a dark part about that scene.
01:08:37.000I don't want to spoil anything if people haven't seen it yet,
01:08:40.000but someone was talking about how they've cut off so many of
01:08:43.000their family members because they're racist.
01:08:46.000And obviously this person has a totally deranged idea of what
01:08:49.000the word racist means and it showed how indoctrination like that really splits families apart and friendships apart.
01:08:59.000And I know it's like a light-hearted movie, but that was actually like very demonic.
01:09:04.000That was that actually so that part the thing that 95% of the people that talk about the movie, they bring up Robin DiAngelo, reparations and all that, which is, you know, it's a quite striking part of the film.
01:09:18.000To me, that wasn't... Her paying reparations was not the most shocking thing for me making it.
01:09:22.000I think for me, and I think I speak for most of the people in the crew, it was that.
01:09:27.000It was Uncle Frank, and yeah, I don't want to give it all away, but The way that the class reacted to the Uncle Frank moment, for me, was the most shocking thing because I did not see that coming.
01:09:42.000The way we had this plan, to the extent that you can plan anything, because we needed an out, like we needed a, this is the end of the journey, I need to have like a Dark Knight of the Soul thing, and I realized that this is all wrong, and we thought it'd be, I'm gonna take this too far, and the people in the class will not go along with it, and then that will be my realization that I've gone too far.
01:10:31.000It is interesting though because family estrangements are on the rise in America.
01:10:36.000This is a documented phenomenon of people, like adult children, saying I'm not going to talk to my parents anymore for various reasons.
01:10:43.000I think that people don't want to address the reality that you have to purge people from your life who don't think the right way is truly impacting the basic level of American culture, which is the family.
01:10:57.000I think that's a reaction to the religion of secularism, too, because you have to essentially disagree with all ten of the commandments to really feel what they're feeling, and that's where you're seeing the shift in culture.
01:11:08.000So if you're not obligated and truly morally obligated to honor your father and mother, then of course you can write them off for a petty political grievance.
01:11:18.000that people's families are being broken apart for weird, nonsensical—I mean, the word race,
01:11:24.000the word white supremacy, all of these things have completely different meanings if you're
01:11:27.000in the cult. And then based on those absurd, nonsensical meanings, they destroy your family.
01:11:34.000But I said this before, I'm curious your thoughts on this.
01:11:38.000It's kind of, you know, off topic, I guess.
01:11:40.000But, you know, my view is that when you look at reproduction rates between conservatives and liberals, liberals are at like 1.4 or something, or it might be lower than that.
01:11:55.000Certainly in 20 to 40 years there will be less people in the United States, but they'll be mostly conservative.
01:12:00.000And so it only takes a small percentage change in the population's political ideology to overwhelmingly change its policy.
01:12:07.000Because you get 51% in a country like this, you're going to change everything.
01:12:12.000With conservatives having more kids than liberals, it kind of seems to me that the math is simple.
01:12:16.000The future is going to be conservative.
01:12:19.000Yes, if we assume that the conservatives having kids are passing down conservative values to their kids.
01:12:27.000And that, I think, might be an optimistic assumption, unfortunately.
01:12:30.000I'm not sure that that's actually happening.
01:12:35.000Many indicators, you look at church attendance rates in particular, faith, you know, belief in God, these things are plummeting, you know, exponentially through the years.
01:12:47.000And so, yeah, that kind of, I've heard that theory, but that sort of assumes that Conservatives are having kids, and those kids are remaining conservative, and they're having kids, and they're, you know, passing down those values.
01:12:59.000I hope that happens, but I'm... But I think, you know, with your film, for instance, and not just what you're doing, but with the entirety of The Daily Wire is doing, and everybody else, I mean, you know, Mug Club had, Stephen Crowder's thing, they had an undercover journalism release where they caught the COVID czar talking about, let's just say, doing untoward things in violation of COVID lockdowns while locking down everybody else.
01:13:21.000We've got a large, expansive, right-leaning cultural push that is gaining more and more ground and becoming more and more successful.
01:13:30.000And so you look at some of the projects that are coming out of Disney, they lose a billion dollars over the last year.
01:13:35.000You look at The Daily Wire and you guys are kings of the castle right now.
01:13:39.000I mean, it's crazy how quickly you're growing.
01:13:41.000And on this track, you do have the cultural values growing alongside basic reproduction.
01:13:47.000So even in the instance where some conservative parents don't properly pass down those conservative values, when it comes to young men, they're overwhelmingly, and Gen Z, they're shifting towards the right, towards Donald Trump, they're gonna be watching your comedy films, and they're gonna get their values from Jordan Peterson.
01:14:02.000And I think that combined with fertility rate, and I know the left is gonna lose their mind over me bringing that up, but I think that shows a positive upward trend in favor of the right as opposed to the left.
01:14:55.000And if you're not doing that, then you're not fighting it.
01:14:57.000And so for this to make a meaningful difference, then we need to see a lot more of that.
01:15:02.000So yeah, I saw that Twitter thread I was talking about on my morning show the other day where you mentioned all these different companies were refusing to review the film and we brought it up and they did the same thing to us when we released a song two years ago and we've released six songs now and it's all blacklisted.
01:15:18.000Not only is it blacklisted but I don't want to say too much because we have another song coming out next week and we're going to try and We all, you know, you guys hit Rotten Tomatoes, you guys are our top box office film.
01:15:30.000We also want to see that cultural success, but we do know that we are invading far-left woke institutions, playing by the rules that they've set up, and it pisses them off.
01:15:42.000So you've got to try and, I don't know, like weasel your way through and put pressure on them and force them to acknowledge it and take those institutions back.
01:15:52.000Yeah, that's the, I mean, I don't know, in the music industry, I can only imagine how stacked against you it is.
01:15:58.000We are in, with film, the film industry, we're only just sort of beginning to experience the obstacles that they can put up in your path.
01:16:09.000Because it is different when you're making stuff like this and you're putting it on a platform like on Daily Wire platform.
01:16:13.000I mean, there's, that's important to do also.
01:16:15.000But when you, it's like the left is, Yeah, they don't love that.
01:16:20.000They'd prefer if we weren't doing anything at all.
01:16:22.000But they're okay with that if you keep it in your own little lane.
01:16:26.000But if you take your stuff and you try to bring it out to a mass audience, that's what makes them very angry.
01:16:32.000And the problem is that all the You know, we hear the term gatekeeper from the left all the time, usually in erroneous ways, but this is where gatekeeping is real.
01:16:42.000Like, they have all the gatekeepers for this stuff.
01:16:45.000They control all of that, or almost all of it.
01:16:49.000And so, you know, it's one of those, I've been saying, it's like sometimes you don't know how high the mountain is until you start climbing it.
01:16:58.000That's kind of what it is when you get into the film industry with theaters and all that.
01:17:01.000It's like, you start to realize, man, they really own this institution completely.
01:17:18.000Playlists, which I'm sure you guys are familiar with, and the digital streaming platforms.
01:17:23.000They'll just say like, if you press, you know, I do this, I'll be driving in my car, I got a Tesla, and it's got like, you know, you'll click modern.
01:17:31.000And there's a band I have never heard of.
01:17:34.000And I'm like, interesting, not a fan of this band.
01:18:01.000It's because they fully and wholly control what is going to be mainstream.
01:18:07.000I'm hanging out at, you know, C-Town Races, the racetrack and casino, and you're walking through this gigantic building, and they're playing music.
01:18:15.000And I hear a song, and I'm like, I know what band this is, and they are not big.
01:18:20.000How do they get in rotation at a casino with 50,000 people coming through it every hour or whatever?
01:18:29.000These labels pick and choose whose song will be played in these mediums that people will hear, and if you are outside the political realm of these groups or your persona non grata or whatever, they're just gonna say, what's that?
01:18:42.000You're a chart-topping song with record sales and you're getting tons of hits and people really like the song?
01:18:47.000We are going to blacklist you, block you, mock you, and try to make sure you never get a foothold in this industry.
01:18:52.000It's kind of amazing that Kamala Harris can run an I'm the Underdog campaign knowing that she has the full support of institutions like this, right, that get to say, we want these messages to be here and we don't want anything else.
01:19:04.000I mean, it's, I think, asking Americans to set aside everything they know about how huge corporations work.
01:19:13.000Corporations prefer artists that are somehow under their label that they will ultimately benefit from.
01:19:17.000They don't want anyone coming in from the outside, especially if they do not agree with their political alignment.
01:19:23.000How much of this is just what people, like, naturally gravitate towards?
01:19:26.000Because I don't know when this happened, but it seems like conservatives are just temperamentally less creative and less, um... I don't know, they think outside the box less, and that's why they've gravitated to creating think tanks instead of movies or music.
01:19:44.000I think you're right, but let's do this.
01:19:46.000We'll answer this point you're making by talking about this story.
01:19:49.000We have this from the post-millennial.
01:19:51.000Marvel's new queer series, Agatha All Along, to be quote, gay explosion.
01:19:56.000The show has a lot of layers and gay is one of them.
01:19:59.000I don't know why, or what the point is, but it's a new show on Disney+, it came out the other day.
01:20:05.000Agatha all along is following the series WandaVision, it's a mini-series, and Post Malone, you're incorrect, it was released yesterday, not on 25th, they put up two episodes, and it's about Agatha as a witch, she lost her powers, Wanda from Avengers took them from her, and of course, When they do a show like this, here's what they have to say about it.
01:20:26.000I've always looked up to Wanda Sykes as another black queer woman in comedy.
01:20:31.000The show shows a really good representation of different types of people, and that we
01:20:34.000can all use the power we have within to go forward and be great.
01:20:38.000I've always looked up to Wanda Sykes as another black queer woman in comedy.
01:20:42.000Living her truth is really inspiring and awesome.
01:20:45.000Disney has decided to make shows that are overt in their politics, much like conservatives
01:20:51.000did with their old Christian films that people used to make fun of.
01:20:54.000It seems like when the left decided to adopt what we refer to as non-theistic religion or secular religion, they've begun to fall into the old traps that the old Christian conservatives would fall into of making preachy, over-the-top ideological content instead of making simple comedy with the message being underneath or passive.
01:21:15.000Now, Disney's lost a billion dollars on a bunch of their movies.
01:21:19.000The Marvel movies are doing worse and worse in the box office.
01:21:23.000Captain Marvel, talk about a nightmarish mistake.
01:21:26.000You got Robert Downey Jr., who is, you know, the 20 million dollar guy or whatever.
01:21:31.000They're paying him 20 million bucks for these movies, 60 million bucks for these movies.
01:21:35.000He's going to retire and they say, Brie Larson is going to be the new linchpin of the Marvel Universe.
01:21:42.000She's a girl boss who's insufferable that everybody hates.
01:21:57.000Or actually, here's my question for you guys.
01:21:59.000Does Disney actually know they're gonna burn all their money doing this?
01:22:04.000But they're cultish, communist, zealots, and they're gonna keep doing it anyway?
01:22:09.000Yeah, I think some of it is what we talked about, they're putting the message before the quality of the art.
01:22:18.000I think also it's just, it's a little bit of what Mary was just saying about historically the problem with conservatives is just Yeah, you know, you have the institutions that are stopping us and all of that kind of thing, and that's true.
01:22:31.000But also just there aren't as many conservatives who have the ability to be creative in that way.
01:22:37.000And I think that now on the left, they're suffering from the same problem.
01:22:42.000And so in a company like Disney, they just might not have, they might not realize that this stuff sucks.
01:22:48.000I mean, they might not have the talent and I don't think they have the artistic, right.
01:22:52.000They might not have the artistic talent and sensibilities to even know how to make I think it's because they're overstaffed with people who think the same way.
01:22:59.000Say what you want about Disney historically, but they used to create, obviously, like, masterpieces of their genre.
01:23:06.000And I'm not sure they even have the ability to do that now, even if you take the politics outside of it.
01:23:09.000I think it's because they're overstaffed with people who think the same way.
01:23:12.000When I went to CPAC in, like, 2012, I was, I think, in high school, maybe a little bit younger.
01:23:18.000And I remember at the time, the Batman movie had come out, and there was a big talk about, like, what's the messaging
01:23:25.000And I remember one of the speakers said, you know, parents, if you have kids who are trying to decide what they want to do, don't send them to DC.
01:23:31.000If you want them to have an impact on America, send them to Hollywood.
01:23:35.000And, you know, it's like, well, Hollywood is a terrible place where horrible things happen and they don't share, you know, good values.
01:23:41.000But it just made it so all of the writers who are rising through the ranks who eventually get a seat at these tables were completely bent in one direction.
01:23:50.000We sort of – if you're a conservative, you sort of self-selected out of this industry because you decided it was lost.
01:23:56.000But therefore it became more lost and you have a bunch of people looking at each other being like, I think this is a good idea, and Etsy sells a lot of queer witch products, so clearly somebody's buying this stuff.
01:24:49.000No, yeah, I think, yeah, he talks about how he kind of fell out of the faith and came back.
01:24:56.000I just wonder if what we're seeing is that there are, you know, the people like Mary mentions, the conservatives traditionally don't think outside the box, but you end up with a lot of middle-of-the-road types who normally identified as more liberal because there was more outside-the-box thinking and creativity.
01:25:14.000And now they're all death cultists who have lost their minds, and so the middle-of-the-road people have aligned themselves with conservatives, giving that creativity and that creative force to the right.
01:25:25.000That's why you're seeing woke, psychotic, gay-explosion TV shows that burn billions of dollars, and on the right you're seeing an increasing talent pool and more and more success.
01:25:34.000Justin Fulk has talked about this a lot, where he refers to all of us as just the new punk rock, the new counterculture.
01:25:41.000You know, we're the ones raging against the machine while Rage at the Machine is doing concerts.
01:25:50.000So I do think there is going to continue to be a shift where people who are, you know, questioning the, not just the regime, but just where we've gotten to in a cultural standpoint will be finding themselves aligned with conservative messaging and conservative values more often.
01:26:06.000So I do think there is a chance that we'll be able to have a new generation of quote-unquote conservative artists, which is probably an oxymoron.
01:26:13.000That also requires us though to cultivate artistic talent on the right, which I think that We still are.
01:26:21.000We're in the infancy of figuring out, I mean broadly when I say we, I mean conservatives.
01:26:26.000Are in the early days of figuring out how to do that.
01:26:29.000Um, and we haven't been very good at that in the past.
01:26:31.000And, and cause you know what, as you said, typically if you're conservative and you want to change the culture in some way, you go to a think tank.
01:26:40.000Um, and now it's like you start a podcast, nothing against podcasts, obviously it's what I do every day, but you get into the commentary space.
01:26:47.000And I still think that there's a lot of, uh, and there's, there's definitely a place for that.
01:26:52.000There's a place for commentary, but I think that there's still probably a lot of creative talent on the right that's being kind of wasted.
01:27:02.000On this, on just offering commentary, and no one's coming along and saying, look, you have a real, like, you have something else you can do, and we're gonna help, we're gonna fund you, we're gonna help you figure out how to do it.
01:27:29.000But, you know, I'm curious what you think, Mary.
01:27:31.000You're younger and you're mentioning this, like, you know, conservatives don't think outside the box.
01:27:35.000I'm wondering if you're seeing younger people who lean right having more creativity than you'd expect or something like that.
01:27:41.000Honestly, what's been on my mind lately is, like, maybe I'm not a conservative.
01:27:46.000I know I'm right-wing, but I think that progressives and conservatives kind of think the same way, where they see history in this linear sense, where we're either ascending toward progress or we're descending into dystopian hellscape.
01:28:04.000And we're either going to create that dystopia or comment on it from the sidelines.
01:28:11.000And, like, maybe there needs to be some kind of rise of a right-wing progressivism.
01:29:02.000There was a second iteration of it earlier this year in New Jersey, and I didn't get to go to that one, but they brought in a bunch of these Catholic independent musicians and had them perform in front of an audience of young Catholic people
01:29:38.000But, like, it genuinely wasn't, like, a cringe-fest.
01:29:42.000And, like, I know that might sound shocking to the audience listening right now, but it, yeah, I think there is something bubbling up with young creative people who actually have morals.
01:29:52.000And the, not to get off on kind of a tangent, but the, so the music at this festival, Was it all Catholic music in the sense that it was about religion and about Catholicism and about God?
01:30:06.000Were they also performing songs about other things?
01:30:15.000This is one thing, and I don't follow Christian music, I've never listened to it that much, but one of my complaints about Christian music Typically is first of all I think often it just doesn't it's not very good but but also there's this idea that like if you're making Christian music it always has to be about Jesus explicitly which nothing wrong but with singing praises to Jesus don't get me wrong but if you if you perform a song about anything that's true and beautiful
01:30:42.000It is Christian, in a sense, and so we also want music that's about, like, the whole scope of human existence.
01:30:49.000I mean, there were songs about, like, suffering.
01:30:52.000Like, that's a universal concept that people can relate to.
01:30:56.000It wasn't just, like, You know, the kind of Christian rock concert that you're thinking of in a megachurch and like a strip mall, you know what I mean?
01:31:05.000Go back in time, look at lyrics from the 40s, 50s, 60s.
01:31:14.000And it was normal for a pop song not to overtly praise Jesus, but to passively mention something like, you're listening to a song and they mention, I was leaving church on Sunday when I saw my friend.
01:31:25.000And it's not that it's a Christian song, but elements of Christianity and the social practices were ingrained in the culture, as they were, and this came out in music.
01:31:36.000Moving forward, you get to the 90s, I will say you had bands like Creed, which were massive, and they're not overtly, in their big hits, singing, you know, praise Jesus, but, um, Higher, you know, the song is clearly about, can you take me higher?
01:31:50.000A better place, a better world, a world he dreams of, and then with Arms Wide Open about having a kid, and, you know, the joy that he feels from it, these things are still in line with that same moral worldview.
01:31:59.000And that was like a massive, you know, multi-platinum band at the time.
01:32:04.000Now, music is degenerate, evil, satanic.
01:32:07.000Even in the 2000s, there was a huge surge of Christian metalcore.
01:33:33.000And it's like, well, that's a wholly different ideology.
01:33:36.000Like, by all means, go have your ideology, go believe whatever you want to believe, just leave me alone.
01:33:39.000But the Christian faith That doesn't exist.
01:33:46.000There's no such thing as a pro-trans Christianity, pro-abortion Christianity.
01:33:51.000You're watching churches splinter over this, right?
01:33:53.000Like the Episcopalian church is having a big issue with this.
01:33:56.000Methodist Church is splitting over this issue and so I think that there is sort of, maybe not what we're talking about with a conservative progressivism, but I think there is sort of a renaissance of what are conservative values and what are American traditions that we want to carry on?
01:34:12.000And I think actually art is a really big key to this.
01:34:15.000Like if you have young people who are saying, I want to live by these values, which we would normally ascribe as being maybe more socially conservative or whatever else, and they're the ones also saying, Well, I am now creating the paintings, and I am now creating the movies, and I am now creating the board games, or whatever of these, like, tokens of culture we need to sort of have without having to always say there's a Bible verse on literally everything.
01:34:37.000I think you will see a big change, but it's incremental over time, and right now, like, when you talk about Hollywood, yes, I think there should be young, you know, filmmakers who don't just have the same ideology.
01:34:49.000On the other hand, does that mean that we have to have and outside Hollywood where they go or do they go in to the
01:34:55.000institutions and say, oh, well, I'm here and you have to deal with me. It's hard
01:34:58.000to say because otherwise, it is difficult to get funding as a young creative. You
01:35:03.000have to go somewhere, you have to support yourself, you need someone to back your
01:35:08.000Yeah, I mean, one of the issues to those is when we talk about, you know, Christian
01:35:14.000art doesn't always have to be explicitly announcing itself as such.
01:35:20.000But one of the issues, this is also one of the challenges you have as a conservative or Christian trying to make any kind of art, you know, any kind of art form, is that there's some, there's a kind of loud voice within the conservative audience that gets very angry if you try to do anything that is not, painting within kind of the lines that have been established.
01:35:41.000And we, we ran into that with both movies.
01:35:43.000I mean, I remember what is a woman, there was a big controversy among some particular Christian commentators with that movie, because they were mad that at the end of the film, we did not have a gospel message that they wanted, you know, I got into that movie, I go in and talk to Alyssa, my wife to find out the answer to what is a woman.
01:36:03.000And they wanted her to like pull out the Bible and quote it to me.
01:36:07.000And because she didn't, they thought that ultimately the movie was a miss.
01:36:11.000And you're running to the same thing now with this movie and there are people that are... Well, someone wrote an op-ed about it saying that you were using deception.
01:36:20.000Yeah, there's some Christian commentators and there's an op-ed in, I think it's World.
01:36:26.000The website world, uh, where they were, yeah, they were saying that we use deceptive tactics and so it's immoral and unethical.
01:36:33.000And, um, you know, they liked the movie, but, but it's, it's interesting because they say they liked the movie, but really it shouldn't exist because it's founded in this evil premise of using deception.
01:36:43.000Uh, but again, it's, it, we run into this thing where you have some in the audience that, you know, you try to go outside of the lines a little bit and do something, you know, a little bit.
01:36:53.000Provocative, perhaps, and there are some in the audience that just are not.
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01:41:36.000They're trying to not acknowledge it again.
01:41:38.000But actually, I have a question for you.
01:41:39.000Was there pushback from big theaters when you guys... Because weren't you initially doing a smaller run in theaters, and then it got upgraded?
01:41:46.000Actually, there was not pushback from the big theater chains, which was nice.
01:41:51.000I mean, I actually give them a lot of credit for taking the film.
01:41:54.000The only pushback was not about the content of the film.
01:41:56.000It was because it's a documentary, and so they said, Look, documentaries do nothing in the box office.
01:42:03.000People do not come out and watch them.
01:42:58.000Everybody should bring their friends and family to go see it.
01:43:02.000I feel like in terms of people who, um... Here's what I think is great about this.
01:43:06.000One of the things we talk about here with Building Culture, at our other location where we have the smaller skate park, we have a Gadsden flag hanging up.
01:43:15.000I never – whenever we film the skateboard stuff, there's no politics in it.
01:43:19.000We don't have any of our skateboarders say, woo, go Trump.
01:43:22.000But the point is, we as individuals, producing content someone might enjoy, and with American icons and flags, like the Gazzan flag.
01:43:32.000I want there to be some young guy who likes watching our videos and doesn't care about politics, and he sees that flag, and then one day, someone says, hey, that flag's, like, racist.
01:43:41.000And I'm like, what are you talking about?
01:43:46.000We want to just normalize American imagery and normal things without preaching to people, you know?
01:43:52.000So I think the reason why I bring that up is You bring your friends and family to go see Am I Racist?, and what that does is it introduces people to Matt Walsh outside of a political context, an overt political context.
01:44:05.000Like, if someone took a clip from you where you're saying, you know, transgender and gender ideology, these are wrong ideas, they're bad, they don't match with Christianity, and I'm voting for Trump, you send it to your passively liberal aunt or whatever, and she's gonna be like, oh, white supremacy!
01:44:18.000But you bring some family members to watch a comedy film, they watch Matt Walsh, they say, this guy's hilarious, this is really funny, he spilled the plates, this guy's making jokes.
01:44:27.000Later on, they're gonna be like, oh, I like that guy, he's funny.
01:44:29.000They're more likely to watch and be receptive to other things you may do.
01:44:52.000I still think it's, you know, if it's if it's not legitimate, then I think it's it's rumors created to make people not go to his rallies.
01:44:59.000I think there is a fear of people seeing Trump in person and being like converted.
01:45:04.000I hope it's that because there's gonna be a Streisand effect and more people are just- Well, obviously, I don't want people to suffer like getting poured chemicals on you.
01:46:42.000Some guys will just still, they'll still wear the Redskins shirts and they're fans.
01:46:45.000But I would say absolutely, Commanders are big out here.
01:46:50.000At Maryland Live, which is basically Baltimore, they were doing a promo where whenever the Commanders or the Ravens scored a touchdown last weekend, you would earn free stuff, you know, or something like that.
01:47:02.000So out here, these are those two teams, but I run into more Ravens people than Commanders.
01:48:02.000I think one of the challenges we face, like this one kind of brings me down, is that a lot of people are scared to speak up and call it the BS.
01:48:07.000But when they're all sitting down in that theater in DC and they're laughing at the same thing, you know that they agree with you.
01:48:15.000And I assume people who are supportive of your work, it's better for you if they show up in theater because like you're saying, pre-sales or if you want to release another movie in the future, you can point to a body of work and say, look, we had this many thousands of people.
01:48:32.000And then also, you know, the cultural impact of staying in theaters and having sustained success in theaters is like, it cannot be overstated.
01:48:43.000So we would Ask people to watch it in theaters.
01:48:45.000Stanley Kong says, thank you for making Am I Racist, Matt.
01:48:48.000My wife and I drove the 70 miles from Canada to watch it in the U.S.
01:48:52.000I would like to hear what Matt thinks about Tim's island idea in place of the death penalty.
01:48:57.000Perhaps we'll have this conversation in 10 minutes.
01:49:21.000Are we gonna check with the- No, it was on your show.
01:49:24.000I think something happened where- I can't remember exactly what it was, but I'm pretty sure you made a comment about my views on the death penalty.
01:49:29.000I think I did, because you were talking about it, maybe.
01:49:31.000Yeah, and it wasn't overt agreement, but it wasn't outright disagreement.
01:49:35.000I can't really remember, it's been a long time, but we'll get into it.
01:49:39.000All right, Stinky Wizzleteats, love the name, says, there's an article written August 30th before the second attempt on Trump's life that connected one Maxwell Yerrick, who some claim was the real Trump rally shooter making payments to Ryan Ruth.
01:51:39.000Like, you just, the whole bottle of garlic powder.
01:51:41.000There's no such thing as too much garlic.
01:51:43.000Whole garlic cloves, just right in there.
01:51:45.000Yeah, you gotta go with the fresh garlic, because the garlic powder is, yeah, you have to use, like, ten tablespoons to get any garlic flavor out of it.
01:54:14.000And so, I would say most commonly you see it put on Italian beef sandwiches.
01:54:18.000So, what we do in Chicago is you take a French bread, you put Italian beef in it, then you'll put giardiniera, which is that mix I told you is oily, then you take the whole thing on tongs and you dip it into a vat of gravy, give it a little shake, and that's what you eat.
01:54:32.000And that's a dipped, you know, Italian beef, is what we eat.
01:54:38.000So, I'm sure you've been to Potbelly before?
01:54:41.000They sell it, but they call it hot peppers because most people outside of Chicago don't know what jardiniere is, so they call it hot peppers.
01:55:00.000Poll in the chat right now, ask people if they'd rather you talk about the culinary failures with pizza, like what is okay and what is not, or the death penalty.
01:55:07.000I feel like these are both contentious issues.
01:56:12.000pre-order the song and uh you know see this is kind of what we're talking about the songs that we've put out um a couple of them are in no way any way related at all to politics together again obviously was kind of a jokey song we were teaming up with jeremy and michael uh smoky mac and the god king sorry and then uh only ever wanted was really just like the first release we did we were like we want no politics and then i'm sorry actually will of the people was the first and uh will of the people None of the songs we put out just say things like, this country is bad for this reason and your ideas are bad for that reason.
01:56:47.000Will of the People is just telling the story of a guy who grows up, becomes a revolutionary, creates a revolution, takes the country over, and then is killed as a tyrannical leader by a new revolution.
01:56:56.000So it's always, you know, we always try to stay away from being overt.
01:57:00.000This next one we're putting out is clearly political, referencing rioting, destruction, homelessness, failed policies.
01:57:07.000We don't say it, it's just literally saying, I'm coming home and I see all this stuff around me, how has it gotten to this point?
01:57:14.000And it's meant to be for anybody who feels that way.
01:57:16.000Alright, Goblin D says, Matt, love what you do.
01:57:18.000When will your movie be available on the Daily Wire?
01:57:21.000Me and the wife would love to watch it in a theater, but we have a one-year-old, so no fun for us.
01:57:26.000Yeah, we don't have timelines on that stuff right now.
01:57:29.000But like I said, you know, when it's out of theaters, it's not going to disappear.
01:57:34.000Can I also say that if you have a one-year-old child, it's actually essential that you go see this in theaters.
01:57:41.000And you'll see this in a scene with a lovely lady named Kate Slater.
01:57:45.000But it's never, never too early to start the anti-racist work, especially with children under the age of three.
01:57:52.000When she talks about white princesses, But then you mention your daughter likes Moana, and it creates a paradox, and her brain gets a dial tone.
01:58:03.000People gotta go see that movie to understand.
01:58:04.000I don't want to spoil too much, but I'm just like, you gotta see it.
01:58:55.000Yeah, well we have the workshop up there, and we're looking at other material we can get up to really get the message out, so we're kind of working on that now.
01:59:04.000So, when you got certified, was that also your guys' project, or was that a legitimate website where you could get certified for DEI?
01:59:11.000I mean, the word legitimate is pretty strong, but it's a website that is not ours.
01:59:17.000It's an actual website that exists in the world, and we used it to get our card.
01:59:23.000You know, I have friends who are ordained ministers for the purpose of performing weddings, and it's like they went to a website, clicked three buttons, and paid five bucks, and then, you know.
01:59:30.000Yeah, in fact, I'll admit, a little behind the scenes, I didn't even take the course.
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01:59:59.000We're going to discuss the death penalty, I suppose, because that was what was requested, and I think it'll be a great conversation.
02:00:03.000I really want to talk about it, actually.