Stephen Kamb and Natalie Winters join host Emily Edwards to discuss the latest in the Trump administration, including the FBI suing the DOJ over a January 6th list, Elon Musk's latest attack on Reddit, and much, much more.
00:00:15.000about a year and a half ago Tim Pool, myself and Ian Crossland were having a discussion following the October 7th attack in Israel and Ian came up with the idea that maybe the United States should make Gaza the 51st state.
00:00:31.000Now, Tim and myself balked at that idea, but apparently Donald Trump was watching, and he thought that was a great idea, because today Donald Trump has presented the idea of the United States...
00:00:42.000Taking possession or taking control of Gaza.
00:00:46.000So that is an interesting development that I'm sure is going to have plenty of people up in arms.
00:00:52.000X is considerably apoplectic about that, I guess, is a good way to describe it.
00:01:11.000It's something that is going to happen, I think, more regularly.
00:01:16.000You're going to see more agencies suing the administration, trying to prevent the actions of Doge and the president trying to consolidate and downsize the government.
00:01:29.000We're going to talk about Elon Musk taking aim at Reddit.
00:01:32.000There's a tweet going around, or a lot of tweets going around.
00:01:36.000From Reddit Lies and a few other locations where they just had a slew of really grotesque tweets and comments on Reddit about how they should find the people in Doge.
00:01:50.000They should go after Elon Musk, his family, his person, go after the people that are working for Doge.
00:02:10.000The governor has responded to companies leaving because when Elon Musk had the, I guess, the court case, I'm not sure exactly the way to describe it, but there was a court case surrounding Elon Musk's compensation package for Tesla.
00:02:28.000The court, the judge, said that it was not legal, and so there's this big, big compensation package that Elon Musk was supposed to get if he did some miraculous things with Tesla stock prices.
00:02:44.000And when he did, the court stepped in and said, well, you can't do that.
00:02:49.000Meta said that exploring, incorporating in different states, so that's one of the companies that's looking to leave.
00:02:54.000Multiple companies are leaving now, so we'll talk about that.
00:02:58.000And then, again, Donald Trump is talking about the taking over, like relocating all Palestinians, which I don't see how that's going to work.
00:03:07.000But before we get into that, go buy some coffee.
00:05:31.000Trump says U.S. will take over Gaza Strip with troops if necessary.
00:05:35.000President Donald Trump outlined an extraordinary new plan for the Middle East on Tuesday with the United States taking control of the war-torn Gaza Strip while its Palestinian population has moved to neighboring countries.
00:05:46.000It is the latest evolution in his plan for rebuilding a territory devastated by Israel.
00:05:52.000His words will sow fear in the Palestinian population, but Trump insists it was time for a new way of thinking.
00:05:57.000I don't know that other countries, the surrounding countries, are going to be receptive to the idea of taking in Palestinians.
00:06:06.000And the reason I say that is because there have been significant, there have been multiple opportunities where that was on the table, you know, getting Palestinians out of Gaza.
00:06:17.000People that are opposed to the Palestinians leaving, they would consider that a genocide.
00:06:23.000They would say, oh, that's part of the genocidal plan because if you remove a people from their land, they'll consider that a genocide.
00:06:31.000I don't know that it's an actual viable option.
00:06:35.000but Donald Trump is a guy that'll just try some Try some S and see how it goes.
00:06:41.000If it's an old war tactic, they call it repopulation.
00:06:44.000If you look up repopulation, I mean, it's literally like something you would do with a defeated population, is you would take them and you would ship them off to a different Siberia or something.
00:06:54.000You'd repopulate the people, and it's a pretty horrible thing to do to people, but, you know, so it's blowing them up.
00:07:01.000You know, ultimately, I think Trump wants to build hotels.
00:07:03.000He's probably like, it's a beautiful...
00:07:06.000We're going to have the most beautiful Gaza Strip the world's ever seen.
00:07:10.000All we've got to do is move all the Palestinians.
00:07:13.000And I know Egypt, maybe as recent as last week, said they don't want them.
00:07:18.000And I certainly think, obviously, this story is just breaking.
00:07:21.000And obviously, President Trump is the master of the art of the deal.
00:07:24.000I think like we saw with the tariffs, sometimes the broad, bold proclamations, they're not actually the thing itself, right?
00:07:30.000It's sort of a leverage or a mechanism to bring about some other form of change.
00:07:33.000But I think the only thing that I would certainly stick to my guns on would be absolutely zero Palestinian or Gazan, whatever you want to call them, refugees coming in to the United States.
00:07:44.000And I don't know, maybe we should turn it in.
00:07:46.000to watch the world's largest gas station.
00:07:50.000I'm in agreement the United States should not be taking in anyone from Gaza.
00:08:37.000There's struggle sessions about, you know, how to cover Trump because I think they recognize the sins sort of of the first administration where the resistance movement was sort of, I think...
00:09:41.000I feel like these stories are not isolated things, right?
00:09:43.000They have, I think, obviously a geopolitical significance, but there's also sort of an evolving information warfare landscape in terms of, like, just flooding the zone.
00:09:54.000They're also flooding it on the weekends, which is kind of new.
00:09:58.000Elon particularly doesn't want to take weekends off.
00:10:01.000He said that it's as if you're playing a game against somebody and they just sit out the game for two days a week and you're able to get two days ahead of them.
00:10:13.000I guess that is kind of what they're doing.
00:10:18.000I think Joe Biden made that very easy for them, right?
00:10:21.000There's so many EOs that they could overturn.
00:10:22.000There's so many problems that they needed to fix.
00:10:25.000But I think also, too, and we'll get into this, I'm sure, with the FBI stuff, but they essentially have no really meaningful form of resistance coming from a governmental perspective, right?
00:10:35.000There are no levers or institutions of power that they control.
00:10:38.000So the concept that they've sort of come up with is both civil society of which media is sort of a crucial component to that.
00:10:46.000So that's why I think their sort of conception of how they push back against stories like this, it's so focused on how the media is going to cover it and engage with it.
00:10:56.000I mean, all these Democrats are what standing on the steps of USAID, giving these like weak, disgusting, groveling, you know, dysgenic statements while they're standing there like we're going to win.
00:11:06.000It's like, no, you're groveling on the steps of USAID.
00:11:10.000I mean, the reason that they're on the steps of USAID is because they're in such complete disarray.
00:11:14.000If they actually had cogent strategy and actually had a base that was behind them and had policies that they were looking to implement and looking if they actually had any semblance of power, they wouldn't be just sitting out on the steps saying, oh, we're going to stop Trump.
00:11:33.000They've really made it their goal to just...
00:11:42.000It's just if Donald Trump says we're going to do this or he wants to do this, they're going to automatically say, no, this is a bad thing.
00:11:48.000They're coming out against, you know, waste, fraud and abuse, essentially.
00:11:52.000And that's never like the American people are even even the waste, fraud and abuse are amorphous and really ambiguous frame terms.
00:12:00.000The American people are never against.
00:12:02.000Getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:12:04.000Those are ubiquitously bad things, according to, you know, the American people.
00:12:09.000I think the waste, fraud, and abuse paradigm is certainly valid, and obviously we don't want to fund the, what, like transgender musicals in Kazakhstan or whatever.
00:12:18.000And I think the American people look at that as a wasteful.
00:12:20.000But I think that the Elon Musk angle, too, I mean, if you look at what he was tweeting about, they sort of started off this whole thing by talking about how USAID was funding the COVID gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:12:32.000I think there's a much darker and more sinister underbelly to what USAID has been doing.
00:12:36.000It's not all just, you know, woke drag shows.
00:12:39.000It's, frankly, trying to destroy the United States.
00:12:41.000It's weaponizing, whether it's the censorship stuff.
00:12:44.000But to the point that you were making, I think, about these Democrats, like, sort of standing out there, you know, they went from, what, trying to impeach President Trump every single day.
00:12:53.000And I would argue that's what they're trying.
00:13:47.000So that's why they are melting down so intensely over this USAID removal stuff.
00:13:53.000In part, it's about the USAID stuff, but more broadly, I think the variable is that they're realizing that they're not even going to have the ability to leak because they're not even going to be inside those rooms.
00:14:03.000So I want to get back to the situation with...
00:14:26.000And Mr. Prime Minister, do you see this idea as a way to expand the boundaries of Israel and to have a longer peace, even though the Israeli people know how important that land is?
00:14:38.000To you and your citizens, just as the space is inherited by the Palestinians as well.
00:14:45.000I do see a long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East.
00:14:56.000And everybody I've spoken to, this was not a decision made lightly, everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States.
00:15:03.000Owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know.
00:15:13.000Nobody can look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over.
00:15:53.000I mentioned again tonight our three goals.
00:15:58.000And the third goal is to make sure that Gaza President Trump is taking it to a much higher level.
00:16:07.000He sees a different future for that piece of land that has been the focus of so much terrorism, so many attacks against us, so many trials and so many tribulations.
00:16:30.000He's exploring it with his people, with his staff.
00:16:34.000I think it's something that could change history.
00:16:37.000And it's worthwhile really pursuing this avenue.
00:16:41.000This is a terrible idea as far as I'm concerned.
00:16:43.000The more he actually talks about it, the more insane it sounds.
00:16:48.000If they set it up as a U.S. territory, first that would be a territory, and then maybe they would vie for statehood if they wanted.
00:16:53.000I don't think that's actually what they would end up doing.
00:16:56.000I think that you're not going to make a state in the Middle East.
00:16:58.000You might have U.S. forces there, but the goal is put U.S. forces in there, probably get rid of the Palestinians, move them out to somewhere else, and then eventually have Israel take back the Gaza Strip.
00:17:12.000That's what I hear them talking about.
00:17:16.000You're not going to have the congressmen or the senators from Gaza.
00:17:23.000But I tell you, man, the horrible thing about it is if there's American troops there and then there's some sort of attack, like rockets come in from wherever, maybe Iran, so to speak.
00:17:33.000Maybe we think it's like, oh, how lucky for us that now we get to invade or we have Cassius Belli to go into Iran.
00:17:38.000It's just what a vulnerability to put Americans.
00:18:22.000I didn't know that the unspoken part of that was finish the job so we can go in and clean it up and claim that territory and station up in the Middle East and it's permanent and it's permanently occupied.
00:20:08.000Any kind of sane policy coming out of this.
00:20:11.000This is the first thing that Donald Trump has done where I'm just like, this is absolutely nuts.
00:20:16.000And I have no idea how this would work.
00:20:19.000I just don't know if it's actually about Gaza in the sense of I think it's sort of like the tariff paradigm, right?
00:20:25.000It's asserting, I think, United States power or global hegemony that we haven't for a while.
00:20:32.000Really think that President Trump, who I think is not necessarily expansionist, I mean, not to go with the mainstream critique of him, that he is, you know, more, you know, nativist or kind of just folk protectionist here at home.
00:20:45.000But I think in the same way that he's using this, like how he used the tariffs, right, to get Mexico to put 10,000 border patrol agents, he used the tariffs to get, what, $1.9 billion from Canada.
00:20:55.000I think you guys are taking the bait, like the mainstream media.
00:21:00.000About this, and I think I'm sure it will resolve itself.
00:21:03.000I mean, even, you know, I think I was a little hesitant about Marco Rubio at first, right, given his kind of neocon past.
00:21:11.000But I do think that what he was talking about, right, sort of this rules-based international order, the idea that we're the world's policemen, I think there's a very firm rejection of that coming from the White House.
00:21:21.000I mean, we're shutting down frickin' USAID. I don't think the same administration that's shutting down USAID is about to start.
00:21:30.000So I would say give it like two days and I think it will resolve.
00:21:33.000Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to hear where this goes because so far...
00:21:38.000I'm curious if you told Netanyahu too.
00:21:39.000It just seems like Trump just kind of said it, which honestly, kind of mad respect telling not just China, Canada, Mexico, but now you're telling Israel like, hey, actually...
00:22:53.000I don't even think that the bombing's going to stop, though.
00:22:56.000I wonder if the protesters outside the White House are getting more mad or less, like, what the reaction is to this.
00:23:02.000I mean, the reactions on X, I'm seeing, like, far-left socialists, I'm seeing libertarians, and I'm also seeing people that are new to the MAGA movement being very angry about this.
00:23:09.000But you're saying he's doing this, this will basically make Israel stop bombing.
00:23:13.000Yeah, if they're there, if the U.S. takes that over, then Israel's not going to bomb the U.S., so maybe that's the crafty ploy.
00:23:20.000That's why I said we need to make it to 50. It was like, that was just an extreme way of making Israel stop bombing it.
00:23:25.000Hey, you put it out there, man, and it just hit him somehow.
00:23:32.000But talking about repopulating the people is like, whoa.
00:23:35.000Well, I mean, you're going to have to.
00:23:37.000Well, I don't know that you're going to have to, but if you leave the people that are in Gaza, the Palestinians that are in Gaza, they're not just going to assimilate.
00:24:19.000Way that I could conceive of this being the United States being looked at as liberators or anything.
00:24:25.000It's definitely swinging for the fences.
00:24:31.000But I think we're going to jump to this story now.
00:24:36.000From Newsweek, FBI agents sued DOJ over unlawful and retaliatory January 6th list.
00:24:43.000So a group of FBI agents brought a class action lawsuit against the Justice Department on Tuesday, accusing it of carrying out an unlawful and retaliatory directive from President Donald Trump to purge the Bureau of Agents who worked on the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot probe in the classified documents investigation into Trump.
00:25:05.000Newsweek reached out to the White House and Justice Department for comment via email.
00:25:09.000I think that this goes back to the idea...
00:25:14.000That there seems to be a question, does the executive actually run the executive branch, or does the bureaucracy run the executive?
00:25:26.000The president should be, in my opinion, the president should be able to fire whoever he wants, whenever he wants, for whatever reason, as long as they're in the executive branch.
00:25:37.000If they're in the Justice Department, if they're in the whatever.
00:25:43.000If the president decides this person is not carrying out the policies and the prescriptions that I have for the government, then the president should be able to fire them.
00:25:55.000And I think that this might turn into court cases.
00:26:05.000This was essentially the same kind of argument we discussed when it came to the 14th Amendment thing, when Donald Trump said, oh, we're going to take a look at the 14th Amendment and see if this is actually something that the founders meant.
00:26:20.000Can the people that are essentially anchor babies, was that the intent?
00:26:27.000And it seems like Donald Trump is trying to use the courts to get clarification on these things.
00:26:33.000Well, it's the whole, I think, concept of the unitary executive theory, which is what there's been a lot of back and forth over once they knew President Trump won.
00:26:40.000But even before it, of course, just in general, what the Supreme Court's been doing.
00:26:44.000Of course, the mainstream media depicts it.
00:26:45.000I think they get the limited hangout version where it's like, oh, evil, you know, democratically elected dictator Trump wants to subsume all three branches of government.
00:26:54.000But the unitary executive theory paradigm is just the idea that he is the chief magistrate.
00:26:59.000And I think for so long they've been pushing that the DOJ is an independent entity, which, of course, oversees the FBI.
00:27:04.000So that's why I think even in some of the media coverage of this, they're already sort of starting to invoke that, the concept of having an independent judiciary and the rule of law.
00:27:19.000And I think there's a lot of brilliant conservative legal minds who've been working kind of preemptively on strengthening and bolstering the unitary executive theory.
00:27:26.000theory but I do think you're very right this is gonna end up working itself Yeah, this is another one of those things that Trump is doing where it is going to probably wind up at the Supreme Court and they're going to have to make some really difficult decisions about how legal this is.
00:27:42.000I hope that he does have that power and he can maintain that power because, you know, I mean, the founding father's vision was to have the checks and balances to keep, you know, to prevent some sort of monarchist taking over the government.
00:27:53.000But we're at a point now where the bureaucracy is so corrupt and so demented and so obfuscated behind this notion of democracy that you actually need somebody to have monarchist.
00:28:06.000I've been thinking about that all day, actually, because it's like Doge, this department Doge, it's the U.S. It used to be called USDS, Digital Services.
00:28:15.000Obama started it in 2014, and it's under the executive.
00:28:21.000And now when Trump took over, he renamed it.
00:28:23.000And I can't tell if there's even an administrator for the company, but it looks like it's being run by Elon, who's a guy in the private sector who has businesses.
00:28:30.000And if you're going to head a government department, you've got to quit your job.
00:29:22.000The idea that the Tenth Amendment is in full effect, I think that everyone around the table can agree that the Tenth Amendment only holds power when the federal government feels like it.
00:29:35.000And the Tenth Amendment is pretty clear.
00:29:37.000Any state's not expressly delegated to the federal government, A reserve for the states or the people.
00:29:44.000And that expressly delegated means that are specifically said in the Constitution.
00:29:49.000But the federal government has said, oh, well, the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause essentially are blanket powers over anything that we want to do.
00:30:00.000And the federal government has taken that to mean that they can regulate and pass laws about you like...
00:30:13.000I forget the name of the court case, but that was an actual case that went before the Supreme Court.
00:30:19.000And the Supreme Court found that because of the Commerce Clause, because this farmer was growing feed for his cattle on his own property, because he was not buying it from the open market, the federal government could actually regulate.
00:30:37.000What he was and was not doing on his own property.
00:30:40.000That kind of overreach, which it is clearly overreach.
00:30:44.000Anyone that listens to that, of course they think it's ridiculous.
00:30:48.000Any normal person, the only people that don't think it's ridiculous are the people that want access to that kind of power.
00:30:54.000So the Tenth Amendment is no longer fully functional.
00:31:01.000So just like Chris said, it is toilet paper nowadays.
00:31:03.000The Second Amendment, it can't get any more clear than, you know, shall not be infringed.
00:31:08.000The Fourth Amendment, your right to be left alone, your person, your papers, the police constantly perform what they call civil asset forfeiture, which is they just take your shit and they just sell it or they'll auction it off.
00:31:25.000These things are expressly prohibited by the Bill of Rights, by the 2nd, the 4th, and they're routinely ignored.
00:31:34.000So the idea that the Constitution actually prevents things the way that it was intended, that ship sailed a long time ago.
00:31:42.000Yeah, it seems like because the bureaucracy has kind of commandeered the government that if you try and play by the rules that they're violating, you're not going to be able to undo the control mechanism that you have to go outside of the rules to do it.
00:31:56.000It just – Well, it's actually worse than that, I think.
00:31:59.000I mean, you've heard of the concept of the cathedral, right?
00:32:02.000So the cathedral is really what runs things.
00:32:04.000It's this loosely connected affiliation of academia, Hollywood, the federal government, you know, big corporations, big tech.
00:32:12.000They all sort of tacitly agree because they've all been put through the university system, and they know what the appropriate way to act is, the appropriate things to say and not to say.
00:32:20.000These giant institutions, many of which are non-governmental, they all pretty much agree on the status quo.
00:32:27.000So when you have the cathedral, then you don't really effectively have the First Amendment because you're self-censoring.
00:32:33.000And you can pay big premium prices for saying something that goes against what the cathedral would have you say.
00:32:39.000I also just don't buy their performative activism and selective outrage over, like, constitution.
00:34:04.000The 5,000 agents of the, like, 16,000, like, upwards of 30%, were all weaponized and deputized to do the January 6th stuff.
00:34:13.000But, you know, the January 6th is so critical, right, to their whole regime narrative.
00:34:18.000Like, that is where they just derive their state power from, and they will sue because they have to.
00:34:23.000I mean, they even they go so far as, you know, I mean, everyone's familiar with the argument or the non-argument that it was an insurrection, even though nobody on that day was charged with insurrection.
00:34:34.000Insurrection is an actual law that you have to there are qualifications.
00:34:38.000There are things you have to do to actually be considered to actually have engaged in insurrection.
00:34:56.000There were people that were saying right before the inauguration or between When Donald Trump was reelected and when he was inaugurated on January 6th, they were saying, oh, we need to have the vice president say that Donald Trump isn't actually the...
00:35:13.000He can't be confirmed because he actually engaged in insurrection, and the 14th Amendment says, etc., etc., making the argument, even though they're ignoring the fact that without due process, you can't be said to have actually engaged in an insurrection.
00:35:30.000You have to be found guilty of insurrection to have been involved in an insurrection, and he wasn't found guilty of insurrection, so the 14th Amendment clearly doesn't apply.
00:35:39.000But again, they don't care about what the Constitution says.
00:35:42.000They only care about exercising power.
00:35:45.000And so they'll use parts of the Constitution to exercise power when they can, if they're allowed to, and they'll ignore other parts of the Constitution.
00:35:53.000So I do think it's super important to get this stuff in front of the courts.
00:35:57.000I like the idea of these people suing.
00:36:01.000I like the idea of the laws being questioned and brought to the courts because I think the court will come down and say, look, we have an elected official, Donald Trump, the president.
00:36:11.000Is elected by the American people, and he has a platform that he ran on, and the American people said, these are the policies that we prefer as opposed to the other option.
00:36:22.000And if that's the case, then he needs to have the authority to hire people that will implement the policies that he ran on.
00:36:30.000And if you have, just like you were saying, the loyalists, you need to have people...
00:36:36.000That are going to carry out the policies because you actually were elected for a reason.
00:36:41.000If you have people that are obstructing the president, then you actually have people that are obstructing the will of the American people because they voted to have Donald Trump as the president.
00:36:49.000They want to see the policies that he proposed on the campaign trail.
00:36:53.000They want to see those put into effect.
00:36:56.000Unless the president goes crazy and then you need people to be like, hold up there.
00:37:01.000But that's what the 25th Amendment's for.
00:38:24.000Use the laws that are written in the Constitution.
00:38:26.000Use the process so that way it's legitimate.
00:38:29.000Because if you're just saying, well, he seems crazy and it's more expedient to have the bureaucracy just not listen, then you're going to have the next president say, well, I don't have to listen.
00:38:41.000I'm going to get my people in and we're just going to ignore the law.
00:38:44.000And you're making the country more lawless.
00:38:46.000You're making the Constitution more toilet paper.
00:38:50.000You're only adding to the problem by doing those things.
00:38:52.000Which is the argument that conservatives usually give.
00:38:56.000We try to do things the right way, because this is the process that works.
00:39:01.000The left tends to say, we want the results, and the process is less important, which is why people on the left will do things like we're discussing.
00:39:08.000They'll ignore parts of the Constitution sometimes, and they'll say, oh, this is super important part of the Constitution this time, but next time it's not.
00:39:17.000Because they're not worried about the process, because the result is what they're after.
00:39:20.000But the process matters, because if you don't, and that's why, like, leftists...
00:39:24.000Like, you see all kinds of, like, basket case countries that had socialist governments because they don't care about the process.
00:40:04.000Yeah, I liked it better when Andrew Breitbart said war than some dysgenic Democrat outside of USAID. But I think it's an interesting, I think, from a narrative perspective, because if you watch, I know I watch a lot of MSNBC, but like Jen Psaki yesterday, right, was calling what Elon Musk was doing a quote-unquote hostile takeover of the United States government.
00:40:25.000And yes, we can parse out the Elon Musk issue.
00:40:33.000But I think that that framing of it is sort of interesting and I think it...
00:40:39.000Plays into, I would argue, sort of the color revolution matrix, color revolution theory of the people like Norm Eisen and these people who oversees, whether it was like Ukraine in 2014, but have sort of used certain tactics like the concept of civil society to bring about regime change.
00:40:57.000And now they're using those same tactics here at home.
00:41:00.000One of the like seminal textbooks or just papers that they put out was called the Democracy Playbook back in 2019. It came from the Brookings.
00:41:09.000It was written by Norm Eisen, who played a really intimate role in what happened in Ukraine and the Czech Republic and a bunch of Eastern European countries.
00:41:17.000They just put out a newly revised edition on January 17th, no coincidences, no conspiracies, but talking about how they were sort of cross-applying those tactics to prevent democratic backsliding here in the United States.
00:41:30.000And I just sort of reject the premise that a democratically elected president who's delivering on campaign promises is an...
00:41:39.000And I think that they're very keen on that messaging because then it gives them the sort of extra-constitutional mandate and power to oppose.
00:41:51.000Anything that he's doing because he's a dictator, he's an autocrat, if we don't stop this democratic backsliding is happening and the country is going to cease to exist, it gives them their raison d'etre, their reason to exist.
00:42:06.000So that's why I just think even this discussion, you can see how it creeps in, you know what I mean?
00:42:09.000But it's such an interesting, I just think, psychological way to look at...
00:42:15.000He's delivering more or less on campaign promises and occasionally says things that are, I would argue, more art of the deal as opposed to actual concrete policy.
00:42:23.000But they view it as a hostile takeover of the United States government.
00:42:30.000Trump, Elon played a very visible role on the campaign trail.
00:42:33.000They said they were going to create Doge.
00:42:35.000They said they were going to cut spending.
00:42:36.000If anything, they haven't cut enough spending.
00:42:38.000So it's just an interesting framing that I think if you really look why they're doing it, it's because they want to do what they've done to foreign countries in terms of the color revolutions.
00:42:46.000They want to do that to us here at home.
00:42:48.000You said they printed a paper on the 17th of January?
00:42:51.000Yeah, it's called The Democracy Playbook.
00:42:54.000It was written by, I think, Jonathan Katz and Norm Eisen out of the Brookings Institution.
00:42:59.000The first edition, I think, was put out in 2019.
00:43:02.000The second one was like early 2020 time.
00:43:05.000And then they put a revised third edition out January 17th, 2025.
00:43:09.000And they go through like the seven priorities of how to prevent democratic backsliding in the United States.
00:43:16.000Step one is like securing elections, preserving civil society, having a strong media, basically outlining the resistance.
00:43:25.000And just on the USAID point, I do think it is very interesting because one of the things that they were advocating for in this paper and for what it's worth, Norm Eisen was the guy who sued Doge initially within three minutes of the Trump administration.
00:43:39.000Norm Eisen's State Democracy Defenders Group has collaborated with Mark Zaid, who was one of the lawyers that was behind the first impeachment of President Trump, to also sue the FBI. There was a big story in the Huffington Post yesterday about that.
00:43:59.000And USAID is mentioned dozens of times.
00:44:03.000The report's like 158 pages or whatever.
00:44:06.000And one of the things that they mentioned was like, in order to have a strong resistance movement, we have to have international partners and allies to push back against President Trump.
00:44:17.000And so to me, when I hear what's going on at USAID, I'm like, oh, you guys wanted to launder a bunch of money to a bunch of...
00:44:24.000International resistance groups in the name of democracy.
00:44:28.000And that was how you were going to resist President Trump.
00:44:31.000Because that's what they called for in the playbook by the same guy who's suing, right?
00:45:00.000But, you know, last night, Rachel Maddow does a 25-minute monologue.
00:45:05.000You would think that she probably would have covered USAID or the confirmation hearings.
00:45:10.000What does she spend the 25 minutes on?
00:45:12.000Going on and on about the power and importance of independent and alternative media and how it's under assault.
00:45:19.000and how they're going after NPR and CBS and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:45:23.000Those are, she called those independent?
00:45:25.000Which I was like, girl, you need to get a dictionary because that's not independent media.
00:45:28.000But my point is, it's very curious to me on the day that USAID is getting crippled, which I would argue was going to be the linchpin in funding a lot of these resistance efforts, which was sort of contained to this sector of society that was civil society and media, because they have no governmental power, to see Rachel Maddow imploring her audience, go donate to independent media, to see Rachel Maddow imploring her audience, go donate to independent media, go support It's an interesting thing, right?
00:45:51.000So that's why I think they're in such meltdown.
00:45:55.000And removing these people from these buildings also removes a bunch of sources, right, for MSNBC. And by the way, they're still having these inspector generals, all these DOJ people.
00:46:04.000They're still having them on MSNBC, but their chyrons are not, you know, this is the role and I'm leaking.
00:46:10.000It's like former fired inspector general.
00:46:13.000Yeah, and there was a long time where they were just considered leakers or whatever.
00:46:17.000There's nothing that the establishment media hates more than losing access.
00:46:23.000It's one of the things that I've talked about multiple times.
00:46:25.000You don't need to have direct payments.
00:46:30.000When you can offer people access, inside information and access, because if you have someone high up in the bureaucracy's phone number, that's the same thing as having power.
00:46:42.000If you can call that person and say, look, I need a favor, can you get me information?
00:46:46.000That kind of power, that kind of access is the whole point of money a lot of times.
00:46:51.000I want to go to this from Timcast News.
00:46:54.000Natalie had mentioned they were calling for the shutting down the Senate, so I'm not sure who this person is actually talking here, but we can listen to this.
00:47:22.000And we are still trying to recover from the devastation of the fires across L.A. County.
00:47:31.000And I can tell you something for sure.
00:47:34.000No one elected Elon Musk to make any decisions about getting my county, my city, my state aid to help us rebuild.
00:47:45.000There is an economic coup happening right here in the Treasury and right there in Trump's White House.
00:47:58.000But there's a revolution happening right here on these streets.
00:48:03.000It's always the same type of phrasing.
00:48:06.000It is total corruption for an unhinged, unqualified, unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury to try to take control of our government, to have access to our Our Social Security numbers.
00:49:55.000I love the idea of shrinking the bureaucracy.
00:49:58.000I love returning the power to the elected officials and to the executive, making the bureaucracy smaller because there's less impact that the bureaucracy can have on the average person's life that way.
00:50:12.000And the people that vote for the president and for Congress, they should be the ones that are actually exercising power.
00:50:19.000And as long as the bureaucracy is just making rules as they see fit, then the people don't have the ability to fire their representative to have an effect on what laws are created because the laws are created by faceless bureaucrats.
00:50:35.000But that doesn't change the fact that the thing that drives our debt...
00:50:39.000Is Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid?
00:50:42.000Those are the things that make the U.S. insolvent.
00:50:45.000They could shrink the discretionary spending by half, and it would not change the long-term projections for the U.S. debt and for our deficit.
00:51:49.000The whole thing that she said about bringing up Social Security and stuff like that, it's all scare tactic.
00:51:54.000And they're saying, oh, he's going to do this, he's going to do that.
00:51:56.000Because right now, the stuff that he's focused on is only the discretionary spending.
00:52:01.000Stuff like, even if he were to go after the military budget, the military budget's still discretionary spending.
00:52:07.000That doesn't affect the actual long-term...
00:52:11.000You know, forecast for our economic problems.
00:52:13.000There are people on the left that are always going to say, oh man, we're spending so much money on the military, and if we just stop spending money on the military, everything would be fine.
00:52:27.000As much as I don't want the U.S. to spend money on foreign aid, foreign aid is not going to make the United States go broke.
00:52:34.000The money that we send to Ukraine, it's not going to make the U.S. go broke.
00:52:38.000It is a drop in the bucket compared to the spending that we do on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
00:52:45.000And until we fix those policies, until we fix those problems, they can holler all they want.
00:52:51.000But it doesn't change the long-term outlook.
00:52:53.000This is just a scare tactic because they don't want to lose the money that they're getting from discretionary spending, from the pork that they put into the things that they can, the bills that they can put the garbage stuff into.
00:53:09.000They don't want to lose that slush fund.
00:53:34.000Wait, to talk more about Maha, you were just bringing up RFK. We talked to RFK at the Libertarian National Convention.
00:53:40.000I asked him, I said, hey, what is your plan?
00:53:44.000Because he was still running for president.
00:53:45.000He wasn't on board with Donald Trump yet.
00:53:49.000I said to him, look, the biggest problem, the only existential threat that actually faces the United States right now is mandatory spending, is Social Security and...
00:54:45.000We need to get rid of, we need to get people that are developing, prevent people that are developing diabetes from developing diabetes.
00:54:52.000And he's relating all of these Illnesses that people are getting that are unique to our society and to our time.
00:55:02.000And he's saying these things will actually affect the cost of Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security in the future.
00:55:08.000And while I don't think that's a comprehensive repair or fix, there is validity to the argument that the fewer people you have that are sick when they're older because they end up getting onto some kind of for the rest of your life medication, the better it is for the...
00:55:25.000It is funny to me, too, that they're melting down about what unelected people and billionaires controlling the government.
00:55:34.000Like, have you ever seen a better case of projection?
00:55:37.000Their entire party is run by billionaires and unelected bureaucrats.
00:55:40.000I would argue our billionaires are better and our unelected bureaucrats are better.
00:55:46.000The entire Joe Biden presidency Joe Biden was not running.
00:55:53.000He could have been and it really wouldn't have been a different.
00:55:55.000But I also do think anytime I see what we're talking about how just horrible the status quo is when it comes to all things healthcare or just fiscally how irresponsible we are.
00:56:05.000I remember in 2016 when President Trump, controversially, he told black people, he was like, you know, what do you have to lose?
00:56:35.000It's like, actually, you guys have had the keys to the kingdom, the castle, for a really long time, and you guys have screwed up for a really long time.
00:57:15.000So either way, either there is an attempt to fix it by some administration at some point, and it's going to have to take changes, and I don't claim to know how to fix it, but either there is an attempt to fix it, and there's going to be serious changes, or it actually goes away because people stop lending the United States money.
00:57:35.000And the value of the dollar goes away because people don't believe in the value of the dollar anymore.
00:57:40.000Because the U.S. is, like, the dollar's backed up by nuclear weapons.
00:57:44.000Yeah, Rubio said in five years we're not even going to be talking about tariffs because the U.S. dollar's not going to have that kind of influence anymore.
00:57:50.000He said that, I think, a couple days ago or yesterday.
00:57:52.000So, like, we should have at some point a Medicare or Medicaid expert in the room, because I have questions, like, how much of the money that we're, our tax money that we're giving to Medicare and Medicaid end up in pharmaceutical hands or in health insurance company hands, like private industry hands?
00:59:05.000You heard at the RFK's hearings, everybody that is against RFK was coming down on him, and then if you look at the people that were funding these senators, their candidacies, they were all getting tons of money from pharmaceutical companies.
00:59:26.000It shocked me when Elizabeth Warren expressed concern that if RFK gets in, that he's going to end up suing Vaccine companies.
01:00:17.000You said, Natalie, this is like a lot of projections, saying that we're in some sort of economic coup right now, because it's very plainly, we suffered an economic coup in 1913, and it's been ongoing.
01:00:26.000The Federal Reserve was an economic coup.
01:00:28.000They tried to actually stage a real coup when they did the business plot, and they wanted to march hundreds of thousands of soldiers on Washington, D.C. in 1932, 1933, whenever the business plot was.
01:00:39.000Like, legit, these banksters have been formating a coup for like 100 years.
01:01:13.000We're going to go ahead and jump on to this next story.
01:01:17.000From Newsweek, Elon Musk takes aim at Reddit.
01:01:20.000Elon Musk has taken aim at Reddit after some of his site's moderators introduced on Blinks2x, formerly Twitter, in protest over his alleged Nazi salute during an event for President Donald Trump's inauguration.
01:01:33.000Newsweek has contacted Reddit for comment via email.
01:01:37.000It comes after the billionaire and self-proclaimed free speech absolutist took aim at Wikipedia after the online encyclopedia's 2023-24 annual report showed 29% of its budget had been spent on equity and safety and inclusion.
01:01:51.000Why does an online encyclopedia need 30% of its budget spent on equity and safety and inclusion?
01:02:27.000Part of the reason why, so this is what Newsweek is saying about the whole situation with Reddit, but the actual situation stems from, if I understand correctly, people on Reddit have been trying to attack or advocating people attack the people in Doge, attack Musk himself.
01:02:56.000Indy100 says, They have broken the law.
01:02:58.000A Reddit page banned after facing criticism from Musk.
01:03:02.000They go on to say, A Reddit page which Elon Musk called out over threats of violence to staff members at the Department of Government Efficiency has been temporarily banned.
01:03:11.000Taking to his social media platform, formerly X Twitter, the billionaire reshared a post from the account Reddit Lies, which gathered a number of screenshots from the white people Twitter subreddit, where users called for the public execution of Doge software developers.
01:03:26.000Some of the screenshots say Muskrat's Doge henchmen have been identified.
01:03:30.000It's time to do more than dragging names.
01:03:32.000Let's drag their necks up by a large coil of ropes.
01:03:46.000We see the way that the imagery and comments are made about Donald Trump.
01:03:53.000Whether it be his first time in office, the actual attacks on his life after when he was on the campaign trail, and this kind of stuff now being thrown about must.
01:04:07.000The left is completely prepared or completely comfortable with making threats and carrying them out.
01:04:16.000A lot of people like to blame the right and say the right does this and the right does that.
01:04:22.000In the past five years, the number of violent attacks from the left, there have to be hundreds and hundreds when you consider the 2020 summer of riots that happened.
01:04:41.000So, I mean, it shouldn't be something that is normal, but it is something that's become normal.
01:04:57.000Technically, from what I understand about making threats, if it's an imminent threat, meaning that there is a place, a person, and a time, then that is illegal.
01:05:08.000Otherwise, if you say, we should go commit the thing against the person, like, that's legal.
01:05:53.000I didn't know they were so mad about Reddit communities getting banned, but I think you even see it in that headline that you almost, or just add up, but the way that they're framing it, right, is that...
01:06:04.000Basically, Reddit is cratering to Elon Musk because he dared to expose it.
01:06:10.000And I think that that's sort of the broader news cycle, which is the idea of what they call it on the left of anticipatory obedience, where these sort of left wing media outlets are settling with President Trump or all the big tech oligarchs, the overlords, right, are giving in to President Trump.
01:06:27.000And I think that this story, the only reason that they're really covering it is because it's like, look.
01:06:32.000Another tech platform is, you know, falling victim to evil, oligarchic Elon Musk, which we can debate the legitimacy of that, but I don't think they really care about a Reddit community.
01:06:46.000For context, I brought up the actual Reddit lies post in question.
01:06:51.000But, you know, you can see these are shall we storm the White House, storm the White House, storm the White House, angry mob enters the White House, let's storm the White House.
01:06:59.000These kind of posts are the kind of thing That will get the attention of the Secret Service Like they will go ahead And I'm sure that If these Redditors If they I'm not sure how Reddit actually You know logs people's IPs and stuff like that but I would not be surprised At all if the Secret Service Makes some phone calls and these people get You know get a phone call and a Visit from the Secret Service Like a
01:08:20.000Kids, young boys, the pictures, their faces.
01:08:22.000But even, too, I forget what media outlet it was, but they put out a long-form article, too.
01:08:26.000I think that was sort of the genesis of a lot of this.
01:08:28.000So it's not just like random Reddit anonymous accounts.
01:08:31.000We love anonymous Redditors, but some legacy media outlet, I forget, published the story, kind of initially doxing them, which obviously they dox people all the time.
01:08:42.000But I think the mainstream media also has some blame for this too, right?
01:08:46.000They turned the heat on Doge for a while.
01:08:48.000They've made people think that Doge is like the evil authoritarian, like Jen Psaki was just saying, hostile takeover of the United States of America.
01:08:56.000So of course these people who've drank all the, you know, democracy Kool-Aid, they can't foment like they were doing during the election season over, oh, we must get Trump, we must get Trump.
01:09:04.000So now the next best, the next greatest enemy that they can go after and that's probably more proximal and I think like an actual entity that they think they can probably have a victory against because in their eyes it's unconstitutional.
01:09:16.000There's all the lawsuits going on right now.
01:09:18.000They're like very, very focused on Doge and I think they just have Elon Musk derangement syndrome.
01:09:23.000Do you think that part of the reason why they're so focused on Doge is because Doge has been so quick to act and so successful? - I think the doge paradigm is I think it's two main factors.
01:09:38.000I think it's actually a really smart issue that Republicans have sort of seized and really won on the messaging side of things, which is the waste, fraud, and abuse, but also the really evil, sinister, nefarious spending of, like, I don't know, funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology over in China.
01:09:54.000That's something that the American people don't want to support.
01:09:56.000You'd be hard-pressed to find an American citizen who doesn't want to keep more of their tax dollars, right?
01:10:01.000So they have to take it away from us somehow.
01:10:04.000And the way that they do it is by smearing like what we were talking about before, this idea of the democracy playbook, the authoritarian playbook, where they have to sort of reorient Doge through the lens of, oh, it's not actually about cutting government spending or saving you tax dollars.
01:10:19.000It's about giving Elon Musk and his super wealthy buddies, you know, more government contracts or getting their tax cuts, which is sort of, I think, the newfound iteration of, oh, Republicans only represent the rich.
01:11:13.000Dozier's like probably the most tweeted and talked about word the entire election cycle.
01:11:17.000So it's not like this is something that President Trump is springing on the American people.
01:11:22.000It's literally what the American people voted for.
01:11:25.000Yeah, I get the sense that you don't get you might not even get Donald Trump in the White House again if it were not for the efforts of Elon Musk.
01:11:35.000No, I think that that rationale is twofold.
01:11:39.000One, and again, just because he played an instrumental role, it doesn't mean that he's the shadow president.
01:11:44.000It gives him a voice at the table, right?
01:11:46.000Like, it does anyone who's played a significant role.
01:11:49.000But I think one is obviously the ground game in Pennsylvania, and I think his mind and the people around him realize that, you know, we're not just going to waste a bunch of money on ads.
01:12:04.000But then there's the ideological component, too, which is bringing on the dose.
01:12:09.000And again, but I think the Doge stuff is particularly unique because it's not just about the tired trope that congressional Republicans have been doing for decades, which is, oh, we're going to cut, you know, sending $10,000 to fund a musical in Afghanistan.
01:12:26.000It's like, yes, of course, that's bad.
01:12:31.000The root of the issue is that we have a horrible, horrific health care system here and we're subsidizing and bankrolling the pension funds and the public health care systems of the entirety of Europe.
01:12:43.000Well, they're not giving anything to NATO and we're being forced to pick up the bill.
01:12:47.000It's an entire reorientation of not just the economy here at home, but internationally.
01:12:52.000And that's why President Trump's tariffs work so beautifully in that sort of like, you know, Monroe Doctrine-esque reversal of the idea that...
01:13:02.000Let's use our economic heavyweight prowess to actually wage war on behalf of the American people and not against the American people like Joe Biden and Democrats and establishment Republicans have been doing for so long.
01:14:57.000But in the same way that a lot of the propaganda that we are fed from Congress is all lobbyist white papers that's then presented as fact or, oh, well, the Brookings Institution of the Atlantic Council put out a paper, so it must be true.
01:15:10.000The idea that we even had a shortage of workers that we need to import a bunch of people from backwards countries that don't even speak English is also completely bogus at face value.
01:15:20.000I think one in two people who graduate with STEM degrees will never actually work in STEM. Now, I bring up all those points just to say that the facts are conclusively on our side on the H-1B visa debate.
01:15:35.000And I think that moment was very clarifying in the sense that they view the goal of, I think, their movement is to sort of maximize the profits of their companies, their corporations, which is fine for them.
01:15:50.000It's not necessarily good for the American people.
01:15:52.000But more acutely, I think that they have sort of an idea where they can like terraform the workforce here in the United States and that citizenship and that American identity doesn't matter.
01:16:02.000Because if they think that, oh, well, we could maximize productivity by replacing every legacy American with some Indian person who doesn't speak English.
01:16:11.000Well, yeah, you probably maybe – still, I would reject the science on that, that it's going to be better.
01:16:16.000But yeah, I'm sure you could maybe have a more productive society.
01:16:22.000There's something unique about being an American, and I think that moment sort of encapsulates the tension that we have with, like, the Elon Musk brigade.
01:16:29.000But that being said, it's not like Elon Musk is coming in and, like, commandeering it, right?
01:17:20.000They just seemed to not be very efficient with actually putting out policies that put the American people first.
01:17:26.000But I think my just bigger issue more...
01:17:29.000More broadly with the whole Elon things in terms of this paradigm of efficiency is just...
01:17:36.000I don't know how to put it, but I just don't...
01:17:40.000I don't think that the issue at the end of the day when you're looking at what it means to be an American is like...
01:17:48.000How can we drive the profits of multinational corporations?
01:17:51.000I would rather live in a town and a community where, okay, maybe my DoorDash driver is not totally automated and a robot's not bringing me food, but at least I know my neighbors and I'm not living in a bug pod with a bunch of people from every other country except the United States that doesn't speak English that, again, I would argue they're not even necessarily better at the job that I'm doing.
01:18:13.000And also, too, I think to the other point, this idea of efficiency.
01:18:17.000Which, again, I'm not a Luddite, though.
01:18:20.000But what has Silicon Valley become really efficient in?
01:18:26.000Okay, they're now using AI to engage in, like, social listening per the World Health Organization so they can censor us more effectively.
01:18:33.000Like, again, I'm not anti-technological advancement and development, but, you know, I'm so glad that Pfizer has become really efficient in creating more vaccines.
01:18:42.000Like, I'm so glad that we've become really efficient in, what, pandemic prevention?
01:18:46.000Well, they didn't really do a good job of that a few years ago.
01:18:48.000So I just think that sometimes we cede a lot of ground to them on the idea that, like, The tech bubble is something that needs to be allowed to flourish freely, which is what Obama did, right?
01:19:00.000They were like, look, we're not going to regulate you.
01:19:02.000You can get away literally with murder.
01:19:04.000We'll give you all the money you want.
01:19:06.000Just, hey, don't use that money against us, right?
01:19:11.000Larry Ellison, who's the – well, he's the chairman of Oracle now.
01:19:14.000He's like one of the founders of Oracle.
01:19:16.000Fourth richest man in the world on paper.
01:19:19.000He's one of Trump's three AI advisor guys that they – They're paying, you know, this, what is it called, Project Stargate, where they're, like, supercharging the AI. He's like, we're going to use AI. Larry Ellison is like, we're going to use AI to watch everyone.
01:19:34.000And so criminals will be afraid to commit crimes, and people will be afraid to deviate from doing what they're supposed to do, and, like, in the name of efficiency.
01:19:42.000And I agree with you that, like, life and the glory of being human is not about being the most efficient you can be.
01:19:49.000A lot of it is about the exploration of reality.
01:19:53.000It's very authoritarian and totalitarian, like, in a weird way, like, a roundabout way.
01:19:57.000It's very, like, for lack of a better word, like, Chinese.
01:20:14.000And frankly, too, I also think I would take the other angle of, like, This country was founded on the idea of the importance of community and the importance of Christianity and religion and having a full life, right?
01:20:27.000The idea of community was always something that was very, very important.
01:20:30.000And of course, arts and culture, just look at the American literary canon, right?
01:20:35.000And that's the American experiment and the American experience.
01:20:38.000So if anyone, Vivek included, wants to go and sort of dictate...
01:20:46.000To us what it means to be an American as more or less, I'm sorry, but like kind of a foreigner.
01:20:57.000I'm just saying like, you know, you don't get to tell people who've been in this country for 200 years like what it means to be an American when you're a newer generation American, especially when what you're saying is extremely insulting to the founding.
01:21:13.000And if you want to do that, if you want to go maximize profits and not have sleepovers and just focus on your children being like little bug men who all they care about is, you know, getting good grades so they can, what, go to a really elite institution where they're not going to learn anything and then become a slave at a tech company that would replace them in a second and they're going to, what, code programs that destroy this country, then like...
01:21:42.000But like, go do that in a country that has that as their tradition.
01:21:47.000That's not what this country is about.
01:21:50.000And I think that's the sort of fundamental tension.
01:21:53.000And I'm not going to be lectured by people who, I'm not going to say are less American than I am, but I'm just saying by people who have a really perverse view of what it means to be.
01:22:04.000It's as offensive as when the DACA dreamers stand up there and demand, we're American, you have to give us this, you have to give us citizenship.
01:24:13.000Meta, the owner of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp, is considering changing where it is incorporated from Delaware to another state, two people with knowledge of the matter said.
01:24:22.000The company is looking at Texas and a handful of other states, said the people who were not authorized to speak on confidential discussions.
01:24:29.000The process is at an early stage and no decision has been made, they added.
01:24:33.000Meta's corporate headquarters would remain in Melno Park, California.
01:24:36.000Meta has been going through a corporate overhaul under Mark Zuckerberg.
01:24:39.000The company's founder and chief executive, Mr. Zuckerberg, has spent the last two years making workforce cuts.
01:24:45.000So that the company will operate more quickly and efficiently.
01:24:48.000More recently, he has aggressively courted President Trump and policymakers in Washington as they set an agenda for issues such as antitrust and artificial intelligence, which will affect the biggest tech firms.
01:25:04.000Last year, Elon Musk's private rocket company SpaceX switched to its incorporation to Texas from Delaware.
01:25:09.000Mr. Musk made the move weeks after a Delaware judge voided his pay package at Tesla, the electric vehicle maker that he leads.
01:25:16.000That case was brought by Tesla shareholders who were challenging a stock options package that allowed Mr. Musk to acquire 304 million Tesla shares at a preset price if the company achieved certain goals.
01:25:28.000The judge ruled that Mr. Musk had effectively overseen his own compensation plan valued at more than $50 billion at the time with the help of compliant board members.
01:25:36.000Of course, the New York Times is doing its best to misrepresent what's going on.
01:25:40.000The goals that Tesla had to achieve when they...
01:25:48.000When Musk presented the idea to the shareholders, the goals were ridiculous, and no one thought that it was possible.
01:25:56.000And so Musk was like, I don't want to get paid at all unless we reach these goals.
01:26:02.000And when they did, everyone that was a shareholder was massively rich.
01:26:10.000They made a massive gain on their investment.
01:26:15.000And the only people that were against this are people that are actually against Musk ideologically.
01:26:22.000So there wasn't a lot of people that brought the suit against Musk.
01:26:27.000If I understand correctly, it was someone that owned a few shares, maybe a couple hundred shares or something like that, but it wasn't someone that owned a lot of Tesla stock.
01:26:36.000And this judge was also a Democrat appointed by, I think, the Obama administration.
01:26:45.000Essentially, it was an ideological situation.
01:26:49.000And now, Delaware is reaping the benefits of that, which is people are beginning to leave Delaware.
01:26:58.000If you own a business, historically, Delaware has kind of been the place to go and incorporate.
01:27:04.000I have a few businesses that are incorporated in Delaware for the band.
01:27:39.000You know, you can't, we're going to declare that this agreement is void because a judge said so.
01:27:45.000That's the kind of thing that will destroy an economy.
01:27:49.000And when you see it, or you see it right now, that's why companies are leaving.
01:27:53.000And granted, these companies aren't doing considerable business in Delaware, but no one's going to be going to Delaware to say, hey, we want to go in there.
01:28:03.000This is the same kind of thing that Mr. Wonderful, Kevin Leary I think is his name, he was warning about when it came to the Mar-a-Lago case in New York.
01:28:15.000If your property, if you cannot rely on the government to treat your property fairly and adjudicate disagreements fairly, people will not do business.
01:28:27.000And this is why socialist countries that don't...
01:28:32.000This is why they get into economic downward spirals.
01:28:35.000Because if you don't respect people's property rights, if the government just takes your property for no reason, dictators do this too, then nobody that has any kind of money or any kind of value is going to put that money into your country or into your jurisdiction because it's not safe.
01:28:51.000People don't want to invest in an area if they know that they're likely to lose the investment.
01:31:37.000It's an absolute mess, and that's part of the reason why there are so many basket case countries all over the world, because dictatorships don't respect property rights.
01:31:47.000They're like, well, it's my kingdom or it's mine, and so I'm going to take this if I feel like it, and you end up with dictatorships that have horrible economies.
01:31:58.000It's not pretty what happens when you have a government that doesn't respect property rights, and it is an innovation.
01:32:05.000We were talking about the Magna Carta the other night, but that was one of the things in the Magna Carta that the Englishman demanded the king secure, the right of property, the right to say this is yours and I'm not going to take it just because I'm the king and I want it.
01:32:20.000You know, Englishman, that was an innovation and it was something that made for Western society as we know it.
01:32:28.000Yeah, when you were saying the king can take all the property, I thought of Saudi Arabia.
01:32:32.000But then I thought of England, and I was like, it's a different kind of king.
01:33:03.000$1.4 trillion, and the king's only worth like $3 billion or $6 billion on paper?
01:33:09.000I think the king can take the money from his family if he really wants to.
01:33:12.000If I understand correctly, and I'm not an expert on Saudi Arabia, but if I understand correctly, he does have ultimate authority in Saudi Arabia.
01:33:26.000I don't know a lot about Saudi Arabia, but it's a place where, you know, if you cross the wrong person, you're going to have a bad time.
01:33:36.000He killed the one thing they had going for them, which was no women driving.
01:33:42.000But to that point, I do think this story...
01:33:46.000It's interesting, much like you're focusing on the property protection angle.
01:33:50.000I also think it's just in general, like the rule of law, the continued weaponization of the legal system.
01:33:56.000And I think there's a strong parallel when a lot of people were fed up with what New York was doing to President Trump and people were kind of like, we're over it, we don't want to be here.
01:34:04.000It's basically the same thing, which is the perversion of courts, whether it's against President Trump, against various companies.
01:34:12.000And I think President Trump kind of like...
01:34:41.000Schlip says, did you see that Mississippi federal court ruled the federal machine gun ban unconstitutional?
01:34:47.000It is applied, so don't go to anything stupid yet.
01:34:51.000Apparently, that is not only, that's not the first one, that's the second one, the second machine gun case that has been ruled unconstitutional under the Bruin finding.
01:35:17.000But these kind of precedents possibly could lead to the repeal of the Hughes Amendment from the Sportsman Protection Act of 1986, which Ronald Reagan so callously signed and took away our right to own new machine guns.
01:36:13.000If you are a praying kind of person, Shane H. Wilder is a regular viewer and very active in the Discord, and he actually is regularly popping into PCC. He's got a great X account, too.
01:37:29.000Alex Van Roy said, Pam Bondi just got confirmed for U.S. Attorney General, LFG. Yes, and RFK got through his first round of confirmation, and so did Tulsi.
01:38:17.000Palestinian government, before Hamas, wanted a two-state solution.
01:38:21.000I think it was Yasser, was it Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian Liberation Organist PLO? Yeah.
01:38:26.000And then they were kind of, then apparently, as the news dictates, the Israelis propped up Hamas to fight against the PLO, and then they created division within that entity that wanted the two-state solution, and then Hamas won out, and they no longer wanted a two-state solution, which played into the hands of the Israelis who also didn't want one, and now they're able to take it over.
01:38:48.000That's the way that the pro-Palestine story goes.
01:38:52.000Well, I think that Hamas, the sentiment that Hamas has about not wanting a two-state solution, I think that that is something that existed before Israel kind of fed the fire that was Hamas.
01:39:11.000There have been a lot of attempts to get the – to figure it out and whether it be the Camp David Accords or whether it be – I think it was the – I forget what it was in the 90s when President Clinton had multiple people.
01:39:28.000I don't – I think it was Yasser Arafat but I'm not sure who was the Israeli prime minister at the time.
01:39:32.000But there's been multiple attempts and something always falls through and then both sides point the finger at each other and say, it's your fault.
01:40:25.000There's an angle that I'm seeing on X right now of Netanyahu listening to Trump say that he wants to own Gaza, and he doesn't really look happy.
01:40:35.000People are saying that maybe Trump was negotiating in real time with the big-ass technique.
01:41:58.000And you're going to waste your weekly, bi-weekly, monthly op-ed in the Daily Mail to say that myself, for wearing a literal black sweater up to my neck with a white collar, like I looked very preppy, that I was dressing like...
01:43:18.000But then I was like, this is some level of coordinated media where they want to make it very clear that we are not welcome in the press briefing room.
01:43:43.000- You tried to defend me and then you deleted the tweet? - I did, I did.
01:43:46.000Because I didn't want to, because like I said, I'm friendly with Kennedy.
01:43:50.000And so I didn't, and I was a little on the harsh side.
01:43:53.000So I was like, "Uh, you know, maybe I should just delete it." But I mean, I'm speaking about it right now that it was, you know, I'm on your side.
01:43:58.000I think that I was really disappointed in Kennedy. - I think we need a culture war with you and Kennedy.
01:44:56.000I don't want it to become like feminized.
01:44:59.000But that doesn't mean that I have to dress like a man or wear a pantsuit or like not be feminine.
01:45:05.000Like one of the ways that I feel like I have preserved my femininity in a rather masculine space, which I don't say that in a negative way, is wearing...
01:45:14.000And I'm not going to wear, like, frumpy pantsuits like most of Washington, D.C., like most of the people in that press briefing room.
01:45:22.000And that's just where I don't understand, like, the push.
01:45:26.000I'm like, so you guys would have been happy?
01:45:28.000Like, what would have made it okay if I were wearing an ugly, ill-fitting outfit?
01:47:52.000Sharpiegate guy who stayed neutral, but the media crucified him for not trashing Donald J. Trump, and he got removed as acting head of NOAA in 2020. Another F.U. to the media win for Noah.
01:48:04.000I'm not familiar with this particular issue, but...
01:48:09.000But hey, if it's trashing the mainstream media, then I'm all for it.
01:48:15.000Bridget May Alassar says, I'm going back to the CPI with my mother-in-law who had a heart attack and stroke last week.
01:50:21.000The more honest you are, the more aligned you become, the more stuck to the web of reality you become, so your movements affect everybody a little more tightly.
01:50:30.000Jimmy says, Constitutionally, the president runs the executive branch, but for the last 50 years, the bureaucrats have been running it illegally for the globalists.
01:50:38.000And, you know, there's a lot of truth to that comment.
01:50:45.000Or that the president should be able to just say, no, we're going to fire this person, we're going to hire this person.
01:50:51.000That's what people assume goes on, but when it comes to unions and all of the hoops that the executive has to jump through just to fire someone, I mean, it's hard to say that the will of the people is being carried out when there are multiple organizations and lawyers and unions that are going to do everything they can to stymie.
01:51:14.000That will, when it's executed by the president.
01:51:18.000I mean, the whole point of the president saying, I need to be able to hire and fire people, is he needs people that are going to carry out the policies that the people voted for.
01:51:29.000I remember before the election, they were discussing firing all the bureaucrats.
01:51:34.000He can't, he doesn't have the legal authority to do it.
01:51:37.000Vivek came in and was like, actually, what he can do is...
01:51:41.000And certain departments, and then all those people lose their job.
01:51:44.000He can't go in and individually fire one guy after another.
01:51:47.000I don't know how much, where that starts and where that stops, and if he overstepped.
01:52:03.000You know, the president can hire, you know, he hires his cabinet.
01:52:10.000But beyond that, the bureaucrats that were there oftentimes stay, and if you can't get rid of the people, if the president can't fire them or the heads of the cabinet can't fire them, then it ends up being a situation where it's just the same people, and maybe they'll do some changes that the president wants, but the big policies kind of remain the same, and you've seen that.
01:52:34.000I mean, just like this whole USAID thing.
01:52:39.000And it's been doing, first it was, you know, ostensibly it existed to help fight communism, which I think is a worthy policy, but once the Soviet Union fell, then, you know, there was no real use for it, and it became corrupted.
01:52:57.000And it's also quite sinister, too, the concept of, like, burrowing in, so at the tail end of...
01:53:04.000The Biden regime, the Obama regime, like a lot of the political staffers, even I forget most recently, but someone who's very high up, like very deep state, they try to become in the final few weeks or whatever, make the transition from political appointee to career civil servant.
01:53:20.000So it's not just that you have like the...
01:53:22.000Evil, awful, horrible civil servants, but then you have a lot of the worst of the worst politicals who merge into that.
01:53:29.000But obviously they're scared of Schedule F. Well, Schedule F is sort of what Vivek was talking about, but there's other ways to go about doing it.
01:53:40.000But I think if you really drill down on why they're so opposed to the idea of Project 2025, it was basically...
01:53:49.000Giving President Trump authority over all aspects of the government, which they didn't have an issue right when Joe Biden did it or firing people off of vaccine mandates, right?
01:53:59.000But the crux of Project 2025 really was in the Schedule F. People who would come up with the Schedule F executive order were basically all at the PPO office the first time around who then sort of ended up at Heritage working on Project 2025. So that was like the ideological bedrock that I think sort of...
01:54:20.000The bigger narrative, which sort of goes back to what we were talking about, the unitary executive theory, but just talking about how President Trump is the chief magistrate, not just over DOJ, but over hiring people.
01:54:32.000And frankly, I think it's even funny, too, like the framing of it, that President Trump putting in appointees who are...
01:54:39.000I would argue loyal to the United States as opposed to loyal to him, that that's somehow like his cardinal sin, appointing loyalists, right?
01:54:47.000Like they say the L word, like it's a bad word.
01:54:50.000And it's like, well, no, I reject that framing just like in the same way it's not a trade war.
01:55:04.000To hire people who are, I guess I would prefer loyalty to the United States as opposed to like the deep state.
01:55:09.000It's like what Bill Kristol tweeted, right?
01:55:11.000He was like, well, I much prefer the deep state to the Trump state.
01:55:14.000Like that tweet is so telling in so many ways.
01:55:17.000You can have like loyal people that are very good and you can have loyal people that are very evil.
01:55:23.000And you could have like people that aren't loyal that serve the Constitution over the man that are very good and also people like that that are very evil.
01:56:21.000But I gotta say, this guy's an expert diplomat.
01:56:24.000Maybe a master diplomat, and his fluency in Spanish is key right now, with the negotiations in Central and South America being right at the front of the table.
01:56:33.000That is so great that we have such a good negotiator, a masterful diplomat as our Secretary of State.
01:56:39.000So I really like the work he's done with Panama, with Mexico.
01:56:43.000I don't know if he was the one that negotiated with the Mexican president to get to 10,000 troops on the board.
01:57:09.000that kind of attitude and that kind of, you know, The understanding of the left is, in my opinion, there's immense value in it, and he was definitely a great pick for Secretary of State.
01:57:24.000And I secretly want to think that his hatred for communism drove him to be really good friends with the fascist Bukele in El Salvador.