Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Says US Will TAKE OVER GAZA & OWN IT, Says Palestinians LEAVE w-Natalie Winters | Timcast IRL

00:00:15.000 about a year and a half ago Tim Pool, myself and Ian Crossland were having a discussion following the October 7th attack in Israel and Ian came up with the idea that maybe the United States should make Gaza the 51st state.

00:00:31.000 Now, Tim and myself balked at that idea, but apparently Donald Trump was watching, and he thought that was a great idea, because today Donald Trump has presented the idea of the United States...

00:00:42.000 Taking possession or taking control of Gaza.

00:00:46.000 So that is an interesting development that I'm sure is going to have plenty of people up in arms.

00:00:52.000 X is considerably apoplectic about that, I guess, is a good way to describe it.

00:00:57.000 So we'll talk to that.

00:00:59.000 We'll talk about that tonight.

00:01:00.000 We're going to talk about the FBI has sued the DOJ over unlawful and retaliatory January 6th list.

00:01:09.000 This is not a surprise, but...

00:01:11.000 It's something that is going to happen, I think, more regularly.

00:01:16.000 You're going to see more agencies suing the administration, trying to prevent the actions of Doge and the president trying to consolidate and downsize the government.

00:01:29.000 We're going to talk about Elon Musk taking aim at Reddit.

00:01:32.000 There's a tweet going around, or a lot of tweets going around.

00:01:36.000 From Reddit Lies and a few other locations where they just had a slew of really grotesque tweets and comments on Reddit about how they should find the people in Doge.

00:01:50.000 They should go after Elon Musk, his family, his person, go after the people that are working for Doge.

00:01:57.000 And it's really...

00:01:59.000 It's unfortunate that this is where we're at, but honestly, it's not really a surprise from the left.

00:02:04.000 So we'll discuss that.

00:02:06.000 We've got a bunch of tweets about that, actually.

00:02:08.000 We're going to discuss Delaware.

00:02:10.000 The governor has responded to companies leaving because when Elon Musk had the, I guess, the court case, I'm not sure exactly the way to describe it, but there was a court case surrounding Elon Musk's compensation package for Tesla.

00:02:28.000 The court, the judge, said that it was not legal, and so there's this big, big compensation package that Elon Musk was supposed to get if he did some miraculous things with Tesla stock prices.

00:02:44.000 And when he did, the court stepped in and said, well, you can't do that.

00:02:47.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:02:49.000 Meta said that exploring, incorporating in different states, so that's one of the companies that's looking to leave.

00:02:54.000 Multiple companies are leaving now, so we'll talk about that.

00:02:58.000 And then, again, Donald Trump is talking about the taking over, like relocating all Palestinians, which I don't see how that's going to work.

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00:04:24.000 So here tonight to talk about this and a whole lot of other things, we've got Natalie Winters.

00:04:30.000 Hi!

00:04:30.000 Thank you so much for having me back.

00:04:32.000 Always an honor to be with you guys.

00:04:34.000 Who are you and what do you do?

00:04:35.000 I am Natalie Winters.

00:04:36.000 I am the co-host of Stephen K Bannon's War Room podcast.

00:04:40.000 I always say the best thing on my resume is that I held it down for the four months.

00:04:44.000 He was in prison hosting that show.

00:04:46.000 And just last week, you may have seen the articles, I joined as a White House correspondent too.

00:04:53.000 So I have my press pass.

00:04:54.000 So I do a lot of hits and reporting from there.

00:04:57.000 So it's been very, shall we say, eventful just this past week to be there, to be on campus.

00:05:04.000 Hi, everyone.

00:05:05.000 I'm glad I'm here for the announcement about making Gaza the 51st state.

00:05:09.000 I was kind of saying it as a joke, but in a way it was like, well, what's the least worst outcome here?

00:05:14.000 Because I can't stand seeing the bloodshed.

00:05:16.000 So maybe this will end up turning into something more diplomatic than it seems.

00:05:20.000 We'll see.

00:05:21.000 But we also have the legendary Chris Carr.

00:05:23.000 Yes, returning show favorite.

00:05:24.000 Thanks for having me tonight, guys.

00:05:26.000 Thank you for coming to hang out.

00:05:27.000 So let's get started.

00:05:29.000 The Daily Mail is reporting.

00:05:31.000 Trump says U.S. will take over Gaza Strip with troops if necessary.

00:05:35.000 President Donald Trump outlined an extraordinary new plan for the Middle East on Tuesday with the United States taking control of the war-torn Gaza Strip while its Palestinian population has moved to neighboring countries.

00:05:46.000 It is the latest evolution in his plan for rebuilding a territory devastated by Israel. 0.95

00:05:52.000 His words will sow fear in the Palestinian population, but Trump insists it was time for a new way of thinking.

00:05:57.000 I don't know that other countries, the surrounding countries, are going to be receptive to the idea of taking in Palestinians.

00:06:06.000 And the reason I say that is because there have been significant, there have been multiple opportunities where that was on the table, you know, getting Palestinians out of Gaza. 0.75

00:06:17.000 People that are opposed to the Palestinians leaving, they would consider that a genocide.

00:06:23.000 They would say, oh, that's part of the genocidal plan because if you remove a people from their land, they'll consider that a genocide.

00:06:31.000 I don't know that it's an actual viable option.

00:06:35.000 but Donald Trump is a guy that'll just try some Try some S and see how it goes.

00:06:41.000 If it's an old war tactic, they call it repopulation.

00:06:44.000 If you look up repopulation, I mean, it's literally like something you would do with a defeated population, is you would take them and you would ship them off to a different Siberia or something. 0.51

00:06:54.000 You'd repopulate the people, and it's a pretty horrible thing to do to people, but, you know, so it's blowing them up.

00:07:01.000 You know, ultimately, I think Trump wants to build hotels.

00:07:03.000 He's probably like, it's a beautiful...

00:07:06.000 We're going to have the most beautiful Gaza Strip the world's ever seen.

00:07:10.000 All we've got to do is move all the Palestinians. 1.00

00:07:13.000 And I know Egypt, maybe as recent as last week, said they don't want them.

00:07:16.000 So I don't know.

00:07:17.000 Nobody wants them.

00:07:18.000 And I certainly think, obviously, this story is just breaking.

00:07:21.000 And obviously, President Trump is the master of the art of the deal.

00:07:24.000 I think like we saw with the tariffs, sometimes the broad, bold proclamations, they're not actually the thing itself, right?

00:07:30.000 It's sort of a leverage or a mechanism to bring about some other form of change.

00:07:33.000 But I think the only thing that I would certainly stick to my guns on would be absolutely zero Palestinian or Gazan, whatever you want to call them, refugees coming in to the United States. 1.00

00:07:44.000 And I don't know, maybe we should turn it in.

00:07:46.000 to watch the world's largest gas station.

00:07:50.000 I'm in agreement the United States should not be taking in anyone from Gaza. 1.00

00:07:56.000 I think no matter what...

00:07:59.000 What do you think, Chris?

00:08:00.000 Do you have strong opinions on whether or not the U.S. should be even involved in the situation in Gaza?

00:08:06.000 Of course not.

00:08:07.000 I don't think so.

00:08:08.000 This is another example of Trump being a bloviator.

00:08:11.000 I think that he's serious about this policy, but I don't know what the details are going to be.

00:08:14.000 He's not strong on details up front like this, so I'm curious to see actually...

00:08:18.000 How is this going to play out?

00:08:19.000 What does he mean that the U.S. is going to seize control?

00:08:21.000 Are we going to send in troops and then have the troops forcibly remove Palestinians to countries that don't want them? 0.92

00:08:25.000 Like, how is this going to play out exactly?

00:08:27.000 I think it'll be interesting, too, to see how the mainstream media latches on to this.

00:08:31.000 As someone who watches way too much MSNBC as they try to grovel and have this sort of...

00:08:36.000 I actually love it.

00:08:37.000 There's struggle sessions about, you know, how to cover Trump because I think they recognize the sins sort of of the first administration where the resistance movement was sort of, I think...

00:08:47.000 Too overly engaged, right?

00:08:49.000 Too many protests.

00:08:50.000 They sort of took the bait on every single thing that President Trump did.

00:08:53.000 So there's a conscious effort if you watch their shows that they can...

00:08:57.000 Sort of, they're like, we don't want to take the bait on everything, right?

00:08:59.000 We're going to cover what he does, not just what he says.

00:09:02.000 So I'm curious if this will sort of, you know, pass muster or be something that they will actually want to cover.

00:09:09.000 I think they will, but if they do, then I think that's sort of brilliant.

00:09:12.000 Not that I necessarily think the press over what's going on at USAID is bad.

00:09:16.000 I think most Americans don't want to be sending our tax dollars to foreign countries. 0.85

00:09:19.000 That's some of the best press for the president and the administration.

00:09:22.000 But I think that this will sort of, again, it's flooding the zone.

00:09:25.000 I know the media always says it with a pejorative connotation.

00:09:27.000 I think it was Steve Bannon who sort of originally said that.

00:09:30.000 But flooding the zone is how you keep these people on their toes in the same way that they're doing with the confirmation hearings, right?

00:09:35.000 Just jamming these people through.

00:09:37.000 Congrats to Pam Bondi for just getting through as we were going to air. 0.62

00:09:39.000 Breaking news.

00:09:40.000 So that's what I mean.

00:09:41.000 I feel like these stories are not isolated things, right?

00:09:43.000 They have, I think, obviously a geopolitical significance, but there's also sort of an evolving information warfare landscape in terms of, like, just flooding the zone.

00:09:52.000 So I say go for it.

00:09:54.000 Yeah.

00:09:54.000 They're also flooding it on the weekends, which is kind of new.

00:09:58.000 Elon particularly doesn't want to take weekends off.

00:10:01.000 He said that it's as if you're playing a game against somebody and they just sit out the game for two days a week and you're able to get two days ahead of them.

00:10:09.000 So the zone is flooded come Monday.

00:10:13.000 I guess that is kind of what they're doing.

00:10:18.000 I think Joe Biden made that very easy for them, right?

00:10:21.000 There's so many EOs that they could overturn.

00:10:22.000 There's so many problems that they needed to fix.

00:10:25.000 But I think also, too, and we'll get into this, I'm sure, with the FBI stuff, but they essentially have no really meaningful form of resistance coming from a governmental perspective, right?

00:10:35.000 There are no levers or institutions of power that they control.

00:10:38.000 So the concept that they've sort of come up with is both civil society of which media is sort of a crucial component to that.

00:10:46.000 So that's why I think their sort of conception of how they push back against stories like this, it's so focused on how the media is going to cover it and engage with it.

00:10:55.000 Because what are they?

00:10:56.000 I mean, all these Democrats are what standing on the steps of USAID, giving these like weak, disgusting, groveling, you know, dysgenic statements while they're standing there like we're going to win. 0.96

00:11:06.000 It's like, no, you're groveling on the steps of USAID. 0.93

00:11:09.000 How far you guys have fallen?

00:11:10.000 I mean, the reason that they're on the steps of USAID is because they're in such complete disarray.

00:11:14.000 If they actually had cogent strategy and actually had a base that was behind them and had policies that they were looking to implement and looking if they actually had any semblance of power, they wouldn't be just sitting out on the steps saying, oh, we're going to stop Trump.

00:11:33.000 They've really made it their goal to just...

00:11:38.000 Be the resistance almost again.

00:11:42.000 It's just if Donald Trump says we're going to do this or he wants to do this, they're going to automatically say, no, this is a bad thing.

00:11:48.000 They're coming out against, you know, waste, fraud and abuse, essentially.

00:11:52.000 And that's never like the American people are even even the waste, fraud and abuse are amorphous and really ambiguous frame terms.

00:12:00.000 The American people are never against.

00:12:02.000 Getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:12:04.000 Those are ubiquitously bad things, according to, you know, the American people.

00:12:09.000 I think the waste, fraud, and abuse paradigm is certainly valid, and obviously we don't want to fund the, what, like transgender musicals in Kazakhstan or whatever. 1.00

00:12:18.000 And I think the American people look at that as a wasteful.

00:12:20.000 But I think that the Elon Musk angle, too, I mean, if you look at what he was tweeting about, they sort of started off this whole thing by talking about how USAID was funding the COVID gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:12:32.000 I think there's a much darker and more sinister underbelly to what USAID has been doing.

00:12:36.000 It's not all just, you know, woke drag shows.

00:12:39.000 It's, frankly, trying to destroy the United States.

00:12:41.000 It's weaponizing, whether it's the censorship stuff.

00:12:44.000 But to the point that you were making, I think, about these Democrats, like, sort of standing out there, you know, they went from, what, trying to impeach President Trump every single day.

00:12:53.000 And I would argue that's what they're trying.

00:12:55.000 They're laying the groundwork.

00:12:56.000 For being able to impeach them should they take back the House two years from now.

00:13:00.000 But I also think that why they're so triggered about the USAID removals.

00:13:06.000 If you go back, there's this coalition, it's called Democracy Forward, and it's sort of the new hotbed of Resistance 2.0.

00:13:11.000 It's a collection of 120-plus far-left activist groups, like the Mark Elias types, the Norm Isens.

00:13:18.000 And the one thing that they did before President Trump was sworn in, they set up an institution called Civil Service Strong.

00:13:24.000 And it was basically like a response crisis.

00:13:28.000 This is how you can be a whistleblower.

00:13:30.000 This is how you can sue.

00:13:31.000 This is how you can stay in your job if you're being pushed out.

00:13:34.000 And I think that they really wanted to have effectively embeds, right, within all these agencies.

00:13:40.000 They wanted to be able to whistleblow.

00:13:41.000 They wanted to be able to leak using the media as an outlet to do that because that's really their...

00:13:46.000 Only path for resistance.

00:13:47.000 So that's why they are melting down so intensely over this USAID removal stuff.

00:13:53.000 In part, it's about the USAID stuff, but more broadly, I think the variable is that they're realizing that they're not even going to have the ability to leak because they're not even going to be inside those rooms.

00:14:03.000 So I want to get back to the situation with...

00:14:08.000 With Gaza. 0.89

00:14:09.000 And we're going to go to Tim Kass News said President Trump says he sees the U.S. having long-term ownership of Gaza.

00:14:16.000 So we've got this clip here.

00:14:19.000 What authority would allow you to do that?

00:14:21.000 Are you talking about a permanent occupation there?

00:14:25.000 Redevelopment?

00:14:26.000 And Mr. Prime Minister, do you see this idea as a way to expand the boundaries of Israel and to have a longer peace, even though the Israeli people know how important that land is?

00:14:38.000 To you and your citizens, just as the space is inherited by the Palestinians as well.

00:14:45.000 I do see a long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East.

00:14:56.000 And everybody I've spoken to, this was not a decision made lightly, everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States.

00:15:03.000 Owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know.

00:15:13.000 Nobody can look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over.

00:15:20.000 It's just a terrible sight.

00:15:23.000 I've studied this very closely over a lot of months, and I've seen it from every different angle.

00:15:31.000 And it's a very, very dangerous place to be.

00:15:33.000 And it's only going to get worse.

00:15:36.000 And I think this is an idea that's gotten tremendous.

00:15:39.000 And I'm talking about from the highest level of leadership, gotten tremendous praise.

00:15:44.000 And if the United States can help to bring stability and peace in the Middle East, we'll do that.

00:15:50.000 Bibi? 0.90

00:15:53.000 I mentioned again tonight our three goals.

00:15:58.000 And the third goal is to make sure that Gaza President Trump is taking it to a much higher level. 0.85

00:16:07.000 He sees a different future for that piece of land that has been the focus of so much terrorism, so many attacks against us, so many trials and so many tribulations.

00:16:23.000 He has a different idea.

00:16:25.000 And I think it's worth paying attention to this.

00:16:28.000 We're talking about it.

00:16:30.000 He's exploring it with his people, with his staff.

00:16:34.000 I think it's something that could change history.

00:16:37.000 And it's worthwhile really pursuing this avenue.

00:16:41.000 This is a terrible idea as far as I'm concerned.

00:16:43.000 The more he actually talks about it, the more insane it sounds.

00:16:48.000 If they set it up as a U.S. territory, first that would be a territory, and then maybe they would vie for statehood if they wanted. 0.94

00:16:53.000 I don't think that's actually what they would end up doing.

00:16:56.000 I think that you're not going to make a state in the Middle East.

00:16:58.000 You might have U.S. forces there, but the goal is put U.S. forces in there, probably get rid of the Palestinians, move them out to somewhere else, and then eventually have Israel take back the Gaza Strip. 0.82

00:17:12.000 That's what I hear them talking about.

00:17:16.000 You're not going to have the congressmen or the senators from Gaza. 0.99

00:17:23.000 But I tell you, man, the horrible thing about it is if there's American troops there and then there's some sort of attack, like rockets come in from wherever, maybe Iran, so to speak.

00:17:33.000 Maybe we think it's like, oh, how lucky for us that now we get to invade or we have Cassius Belli to go into Iran. 0.62

00:17:38.000 It's just what a vulnerability to put Americans.

00:17:42.000 Right there.

00:17:43.000 That is like maddening.

00:17:45.000 Now, the reason I said last year we should make Gaza the 51st state, truly, it was like, what's the least worst outcome for stability?

00:17:52.000 It's like looking at someone that's suffered a traumatic injury being like, we're going to need to amputate their arm.

00:17:59.000 This is the moment when they're like, all right, we do need to amputate.

00:18:03.000 And it's like...

00:18:03.000 The blood is draining out of my stomach, thinking about, like, we have to do that now.

00:18:07.000 Like, accepting that moment of, yes, we're going to have to amputate.

00:18:10.000 Like, it's horrific.

00:18:12.000 And the person getting the news, it's like, but if you don't amputate, the whole body dies.

00:18:18.000 Originally what Trump said was, sorry, what he said was, finish the job.

00:18:21.000 That's what he told Beebe.

00:18:22.000 I didn't know that the unspoken part of that was finish the job so we can go in and clean it up and claim that territory and station up in the Middle East and it's permanent and it's permanently occupied. 0.90

00:18:33.000 Ownership.

00:18:33.000 I don't understand this.

00:18:34.000 He said ownership.

00:18:35.000 Yeah, he's going to own it.

00:18:37.000 Long term.

00:18:38.000 I don't see how that in any way is a positive for the United States.

00:18:43.000 Well, he is making bold moves.

00:18:45.000 Just since he's taken office, he has really staked his reputation on making bold moves.

00:18:50.000 This is a bold move, and I can appreciate that, but it's also, I think, insane.

00:18:53.000 Yeah, I mean, just like Ian was saying, the idea of having American troops there almost guarantees further war in the Middle East.

00:19:03.000 I tell you, in 50 years, it's going to be beautiful.

00:19:05.000 No.

00:19:05.000 It's going to be gorgeous real estate.

00:19:07.000 It can't get much worse.

00:19:08.000 No.

00:19:09.000 That's true.

00:19:09.000 Yeah, it can't get much worse.

00:19:12.000 If the United States were to do this, it absolutely will lead to war with Iran.

00:19:19.000 And Bibi would love that.

00:19:21.000 Yes, Bibi would love that. 0.99

00:19:22.000 I don't see any way around that.

00:19:27.000 The Iranians will fire missiles into Gaza. 0.95

00:19:31.000 They fired missiles into Israel already.

00:19:34.000 They'll fire missiles at Americans in Gaza. 0.99

00:19:37.000 Americans will die. 1.00

00:19:38.000 The United States will look at that as... 0.97

00:19:40.000 You know, we're going to retaliate.

00:19:43.000 It likely would happen during Donald Trump's presidency if it does happen.

00:19:49.000 And, you know, he would retaliate.

00:19:51.000 It is possible that another president would pull them out.

00:19:55.000 But if you set up an American base in there, presidents don't like to close down American bases.

00:20:03.000 They don't want to do that at all.

00:20:06.000 So, like, I don't see...

00:20:08.000 Any kind of sane policy coming out of this.

00:20:11.000 This is the first thing that Donald Trump has done where I'm just like, this is absolutely nuts.

00:20:16.000 And I have no idea how this would work.

00:20:19.000 I just don't know if it's actually about Gaza in the sense of I think it's sort of like the tariff paradigm, right?

00:20:25.000 It's asserting, I think, United States power or global hegemony that we haven't for a while.

00:20:32.000 Really think that President Trump, who I think is not necessarily expansionist, I mean, not to go with the mainstream critique of him, that he is, you know, more, you know, nativist or kind of just folk protectionist here at home.

00:20:45.000 But I think in the same way that he's using this, like how he used the tariffs, right, to get Mexico to put 10,000 border patrol agents, he used the tariffs to get, what, $1.9 billion from Canada.

00:20:55.000 I think you guys are taking the bait, like the mainstream media.

00:20:58.000 I don't think it's really...

00:21:00.000 About this, and I think I'm sure it will resolve itself.

00:21:03.000 I mean, even, you know, I think I was a little hesitant about Marco Rubio at first, right, given his kind of neocon past.

00:21:11.000 But I do think that what he was talking about, right, sort of this rules-based international order, the idea that we're the world's policemen, I think there's a very firm rejection of that coming from the White House.

00:21:21.000 I mean, we're shutting down frickin' USAID. I don't think the same administration that's shutting down USAID is about to start.

00:21:27.000 Adding or annexing a 51st state.

00:21:30.000 So I would say give it like two days and I think it will resolve.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to hear where this goes because so far...

00:21:38.000 I'm curious if you told Netanyahu too.

00:21:39.000 It just seems like Trump just kind of said it, which honestly, kind of mad respect telling not just China, Canada, Mexico, but now you're telling Israel like, hey, actually...

00:21:49.000 Long-term ownership.

00:21:50.000 I mean, that's extremely bold for any president.

00:21:53.000 I don't think historically that's ever been done, if you're picking up what I'm putting down.

00:21:57.000 But, I mean, it's negotiating from a position of strength, and I think it's just something we haven't seen in a while.

00:22:05.000 And it's narrative-shattering, shall we say.

00:22:10.000 What do you think he wants?

00:22:13.000 I don't know.

00:22:14.000 I guess I'll have to ask President Trump in the briefing room.

00:22:18.000 I mean, that does sound like a pretty good idea, seeing as you're going to be in there in the next week or so.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, make sure you ask him, hey, what's the end goal here?

00:22:28.000 Are you just looking to have more resorts?

00:22:31.000 Are you looking for a Trump Tower in Gaza?

00:22:34.000 Is that the goal?

00:22:35.000 Yeah, I think that is what he wants.

00:22:37.000 He wants one in North Korea, too.

00:22:38.000 He keeps talking about it.

00:22:40.000 He's like, they have beautiful...

00:22:41.000 I would say we should build a Hooters, because I've been told I, what, dress like a hostess at Hooters?

00:22:46.000 That was horrible.

00:22:47.000 Well, maybe it's an extreme ploy to guarantee the bombing stops.

00:22:53.000 For sure.

00:22:53.000 I don't even think that the bombing's going to stop, though.

00:22:56.000 I wonder if the protesters outside the White House are getting more mad or less, like, what the reaction is to this.

00:23:02.000 I mean, the reactions on X, I'm seeing, like, far-left socialists, I'm seeing libertarians, and I'm also seeing people that are new to the MAGA movement being very angry about this.

00:23:09.000 But you're saying he's doing this, this will basically make Israel stop bombing.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, if they're there, if the U.S. takes that over, then Israel's not going to bomb the U.S., so maybe that's the crafty ploy.

00:23:20.000 That's why I said we need to make it to 50. It was like, that was just an extreme way of making Israel stop bombing it.

00:23:25.000 Hey, you put it out there, man, and it just hit him somehow.

00:23:30.000 Unreal.

00:23:31.000 You're responsible for this one.

00:23:32.000 And then liberate it.

00:23:32.000 But talking about repopulating the people is like, whoa.

00:23:35.000 Well, I mean, you're going to have to.

00:23:37.000 Well, I don't know that you're going to have to, but if you leave the people that are in Gaza, the Palestinians that are in Gaza, they're not just going to assimilate.

00:23:48.000 They're not...

00:23:49.000 I don't think that...

00:24:19.000 Way that I could conceive of this being the United States being looked at as liberators or anything.

00:24:25.000 It's definitely swinging for the fences.

00:24:31.000 But I think we're going to jump to this story now.

00:24:36.000 From Newsweek, FBI agents sued DOJ over unlawful and retaliatory January 6th list.

00:24:43.000 So a group of FBI agents brought a class action lawsuit against the Justice Department on Tuesday, accusing it of carrying out an unlawful and retaliatory directive from President Donald Trump to purge the Bureau of Agents who worked on the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot probe in the classified documents investigation into Trump.

00:25:05.000 Newsweek reached out to the White House and Justice Department for comment via email.

00:25:09.000 I think that this goes back to the idea...

00:25:14.000 That there seems to be a question, does the executive actually run the executive branch, or does the bureaucracy run the executive?

00:25:26.000 The president should be, in my opinion, the president should be able to fire whoever he wants, whenever he wants, for whatever reason, as long as they're in the executive branch.

00:25:37.000 If they're in the Justice Department, if they're in the whatever.

00:25:43.000 If the president decides this person is not carrying out the policies and the prescriptions that I have for the government, then the president should be able to fire them.

00:25:55.000 And I think that this might turn into court cases.

00:25:59.000 Obviously, they're suing.

00:26:01.000 But I could imagine this going to the Supreme Court.

00:26:04.000 This was the...

00:26:05.000 This was essentially the same kind of argument we discussed when it came to the 14th Amendment thing, when Donald Trump said, oh, we're going to take a look at the 14th Amendment and see if this is actually something that the founders meant.

00:26:20.000 Can the people that are essentially anchor babies, was that the intent?

00:26:27.000 And it seems like Donald Trump is trying to use the courts to get clarification on these things.

00:26:32.000 What do you guys think?

00:26:33.000 Well, it's the whole, I think, concept of the unitary executive theory, which is what there's been a lot of back and forth over once they knew President Trump won.

00:26:40.000 But even before it, of course, just in general, what the Supreme Court's been doing.

00:26:44.000 Of course, the mainstream media depicts it.

00:26:45.000 I think they get the limited hangout version where it's like, oh, evil, you know, democratically elected dictator Trump wants to subsume all three branches of government.

00:26:54.000 But the unitary executive theory paradigm is just the idea that he is the chief magistrate.

00:26:59.000 And I think for so long they've been pushing that the DOJ is an independent entity, which, of course, oversees the FBI.

00:27:04.000 So that's why I think even in some of the media coverage of this, they're already sort of starting to invoke that, the concept of having an independent judiciary and the rule of law.

00:27:14.000 It's also important.

00:27:14.000 We know it's all complete BS.

00:27:17.000 President Trump will win.

00:27:19.000 And I think there's a lot of brilliant conservative legal minds who've been working kind of preemptively on strengthening and bolstering the unitary executive theory.

00:27:26.000 theory but I do think you're very right this is gonna end up working itself Yeah, this is another one of those things that Trump is doing where it is going to probably wind up at the Supreme Court and they're going to have to make some really difficult decisions about how legal this is.

00:27:40.000 In my opinion, I agree with you.

00:27:42.000 I hope that he does have that power and he can maintain that power because, you know, I mean, the founding father's vision was to have the checks and balances to keep, you know, to prevent some sort of monarchist taking over the government.

00:27:53.000 But we're at a point now where the bureaucracy is so corrupt and so demented and so obfuscated behind this notion of democracy that you actually need somebody to have monarchist.

00:28:05.000 I'd like to see that from Trump.

00:28:06.000 I've been thinking about that all day, actually, because it's like Doge, this department Doge, it's the U.S. It used to be called USDS, Digital Services.

00:28:15.000 Obama started it in 2014, and it's under the executive.

00:28:19.000 So there's an administrator.

00:28:21.000 And now when Trump took over, he renamed it.

00:28:23.000 And I can't tell if there's even an administrator for the company, but it looks like it's being run by Elon, who's a guy in the private sector who has businesses.

00:28:30.000 And if you're going to head a government department, you've got to quit your job.

00:28:34.000 You're not supposed to.

00:28:35.000 I don't know if you're supposed to.

00:28:36.000 Maybe not necessarily.

00:28:37.000 I don't know.

00:28:38.000 There's no law that says you have to quit your job.

00:28:40.000 But they just do it then?

00:28:40.000 They just do it and they can't control their stock portfolios?

00:28:43.000 He's essentially an advisor to the president.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, he's not technically...

00:28:47.000 The administrator of Doge, there isn't one that I can tell.

00:28:50.000 So but it's like, I'm like, well, sometimes you got to break the law to do what's right.

00:28:54.000 Like I'm thinking of when they suspended habeas corpus after the Civil War, and they just went full martial law to reinstate order.

00:29:00.000 And that was apparently the right thing.

00:29:02.000 And it's like, whoa, well, the Constitution was toilet paper for a moment.

00:29:05.000 And like, is that where we're at right now that we need?

00:29:08.000 It's terrifying.

00:29:09.000 Yes, the Constitution is toilet paper.

00:29:12.000 It is.

00:29:12.000 I mean, even today.

00:29:13.000 We don't have those rights.

00:29:14.000 It could go real bad, real fast if we treat it like toilet paper.

00:29:19.000 It's been treated like toilet paper.

00:29:22.000 The idea that the Tenth Amendment is in full effect, I think that everyone around the table can agree that the Tenth Amendment only holds power when the federal government feels like it.

00:29:35.000 And the Tenth Amendment is pretty clear.

00:29:37.000 Any state's not expressly delegated to the federal government, A reserve for the states or the people.

00:29:44.000 And that expressly delegated means that are specifically said in the Constitution.

00:29:49.000 But the federal government has said, oh, well, the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause essentially are blanket powers over anything that we want to do.

00:30:00.000 And the federal government has taken that to mean that they can regulate and pass laws about you like...

00:30:13.000 I forget the name of the court case, but that was an actual case that went before the Supreme Court.

00:30:19.000 And the Supreme Court found that because of the Commerce Clause, because this farmer was growing feed for his cattle on his own property, because he was not buying it from the open market, the federal government could actually regulate.

00:30:37.000 What he was and was not doing on his own property.

00:30:40.000 That kind of overreach, which it is clearly overreach. 0.92

00:30:44.000 Anyone that listens to that, of course they think it's ridiculous.

00:30:48.000 Any normal person, the only people that don't think it's ridiculous are the people that want access to that kind of power.

00:30:54.000 So the Tenth Amendment is no longer fully functional.

00:31:00.000 It's been papered over.

00:31:01.000 So just like Chris said, it is toilet paper nowadays.

00:31:03.000 The Second Amendment, it can't get any more clear than, you know, shall not be infringed. 0.98

00:31:08.000 The Fourth Amendment, your right to be left alone, your person, your papers, the police constantly perform what they call civil asset forfeiture, which is they just take your shit and they just sell it or they'll auction it off.

00:31:25.000 These things are expressly prohibited by the Bill of Rights, by the 2nd, the 4th, and they're routinely ignored.

00:31:34.000 So the idea that the Constitution actually prevents things the way that it was intended, that ship sailed a long time ago.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, it seems like because the bureaucracy has kind of commandeered the government that if you try and play by the rules that they're violating, you're not going to be able to undo the control mechanism that you have to go outside of the rules to do it.

00:31:56.000 It just – Well, it's actually worse than that, I think.

00:31:59.000 I mean, you've heard of the concept of the cathedral, right?

00:32:02.000 What is it?

00:32:02.000 So the cathedral is really what runs things.

00:32:04.000 It's this loosely connected affiliation of academia, Hollywood, the federal government, you know, big corporations, big tech.

00:32:12.000 They all sort of tacitly agree because they've all been put through the university system, and they know what the appropriate way to act is, the appropriate things to say and not to say.

00:32:20.000 These giant institutions, many of which are non-governmental, they all pretty much agree on the status quo.

00:32:27.000 So when you have the cathedral, then you don't really effectively have the First Amendment because you're self-censoring.

00:32:33.000 And you can pay big premium prices for saying something that goes against what the cathedral would have you say.

00:32:39.000 I also just don't buy their performative activism and selective outrage over, like, constitution.

00:32:46.000 Absolutely.

00:32:47.000 100%.

00:32:47.000 Spare me, right?

00:32:48.000 Also, I'm sorry, the same people, it's like, when they're like, oh, the American consumers are going to be screwed by the tariffs.

00:32:53.000 I'm like, you guys lied about inflation for four years.

00:32:56.000 Spare me.

00:32:57.000 But I did just want to bring up one semi-unrelated thing, too, in a similar vein.

00:33:02.000 One of the attorneys, it's like the Center for Employment Justice, something like that.

00:33:08.000 I believe it's nine anonymous agents.

00:33:11.000 While I was driving here, I had gone through her Twitter to see what she had been putting out about, just in general, MAGA, you know.

00:33:20.000 And she's tweeted repeatedly about how all of MAGA needs to be fired from the federal government. 0.96

00:33:25.000 Quote, America needs industrial strength disinfectant of the MAGA bacteria in our institutions.

00:33:30.000 Clean the wound, Mr. President.

00:33:32.000 Fire them all.

00:33:33.000 Quote, if we are to remove MAGA at the ballot box, then you must, must, must.

00:33:37.000 Remove MAGA from our institutions.

00:33:39.000 Fire DeJoy.

00:33:40.000 Fire Flynn.

00:33:41.000 Fire Ray.

00:33:43.000 And then my favorite, she's all saying this to Biden.

00:33:45.000 It is time for the Biden admin to remove MAGA from our government.

00:33:48.000 So the idea that these people are being pushed out over political retribution, it's not.

00:33:53.000 President Trump is allowed to have, I know I can't say it, but loyalists. 1.00

00:33:56.000 And these people are such hypocrites. 0.99

00:33:58.000 So I don't even take them at face value. 1.00

00:34:01.000 It's like, shut up. 1.00

00:34:02.000 You're a bunch of liars. 1.00

00:34:03.000 And by the way, what was it? 0.98

00:34:04.000 The 5,000 agents of the, like, 16,000, like, upwards of 30%, were all weaponized and deputized to do the January 6th stuff.

00:34:13.000 But, you know, the January 6th is so critical, right, to their whole regime narrative.

00:34:18.000 Like, that is where they just derive their state power from, and they will sue because they have to.

00:34:23.000 I mean, they even they go so far as, you know, I mean, everyone's familiar with the argument or the non-argument that it was an insurrection, even though nobody on that day was charged with insurrection.

00:34:34.000 Insurrection is an actual law that you have to there are qualifications.

00:34:38.000 There are things you have to do to actually be considered to actually have engaged in insurrection.

00:34:42.000 Nobody was charged with insurrection.

00:34:44.000 Donald Trump clearly wasn't engaged in insurrection by telling people that they should peacefully protest.

00:34:51.000 But yet you still hear that narrative.

00:34:53.000 Donald Trump is an insurrectionist.

00:34:55.000 Donald Trump is an insurrectionist.

00:34:56.000 There were people that were saying right before the inauguration or between When Donald Trump was reelected and when he was inaugurated on January 6th, they were saying, oh, we need to have the vice president say that Donald Trump isn't actually the...

00:35:13.000 He can't be confirmed because he actually engaged in insurrection, and the 14th Amendment says, etc., etc., making the argument, even though they're ignoring the fact that without due process, you can't be said to have actually engaged in an insurrection.

00:35:30.000 You have to be found guilty of insurrection to have been involved in an insurrection, and he wasn't found guilty of insurrection, so the 14th Amendment clearly doesn't apply.

00:35:39.000 But again, they don't care about what the Constitution says.

00:35:42.000 They only care about exercising power.

00:35:45.000 And so they'll use parts of the Constitution to exercise power when they can, if they're allowed to, and they'll ignore other parts of the Constitution.

00:35:53.000 So I do think it's super important to get this stuff in front of the courts.

00:35:57.000 I like the idea of these people suing.

00:36:01.000 I like the idea of the laws being questioned and brought to the courts because I think the court will come down and say, look, we have an elected official, Donald Trump, the president.

00:36:11.000 Is elected by the American people, and he has a platform that he ran on, and the American people said, these are the policies that we prefer as opposed to the other option.

00:36:22.000 And if that's the case, then he needs to have the authority to hire people that will implement the policies that he ran on.

00:36:30.000 And if you have, just like you were saying, the loyalists, you need to have people...

00:36:36.000 That are going to carry out the policies because you actually were elected for a reason.

00:36:41.000 If you have people that are obstructing the president, then you actually have people that are obstructing the will of the American people because they voted to have Donald Trump as the president.

00:36:49.000 They want to see the policies that he proposed on the campaign trail.

00:36:53.000 They want to see those put into effect.

00:36:56.000 Unless the president goes crazy and then you need people to be like, hold up there.

00:37:01.000 But that's what the 25th Amendment's for. 0.85

00:37:03.000 Where the VP comes in and takes over?

00:37:05.000 If the president goes crazy, the 25th Amendment is...

00:37:07.000 If the president and vice president go crazy together, then the people are supposed to be like, stop.

00:37:11.000 We can't let you do this.

00:37:13.000 Well, if you're talking about the people, then you're talking about the Second Amendment.

00:37:15.000 And that's something we should be discussing.

00:37:17.000 Just bureaucrats disallowing the orders and stuff like that, like civil disobedience. 1.00

00:37:24.000 Because it is a slippery slope that if you get a dangerous demagogue into the president...

00:37:29.000 I'm not saying that's what's happening, but...

00:37:31.000 This is the rationale for why they would oppose his will.

00:37:35.000 You don't always want to just bow down to the executive's will because he's the executive.

00:37:39.000 You've got to make sure that it's good and right.

00:37:40.000 We have the house.

00:37:43.000 Can impeach if those things are going on.

00:37:45.000 The House has the power to write up articles of impeachment while the president's in office and the Senate can impeach.

00:37:51.000 The House has to write them up and then the Senate will try them and see if he actually did violate the law.

00:37:57.000 And if that's the case, there are means.

00:37:59.000 The Constitution has means to deal with all the things that you're talking about. 0.92

00:38:03.000 The Constitution does provide a means to get rid of a crazy president.

00:38:07.000 The Constitution has a means to get rid of a lawless president, whether it be The impeachment or because he's crazy, the 25th Amendment.

00:38:16.000 So the things that you're worried about, it's not good to say, well, let's have the bureaucrats just ignore him.

00:38:22.000 Use the actual Constitution.

00:38:24.000 Use the laws that are written in the Constitution.

00:38:26.000 Use the process so that way it's legitimate.

00:38:29.000 Because if you're just saying, well, he seems crazy and it's more expedient to have the bureaucracy just not listen, then you're going to have the next president say, well, I don't have to listen.

00:38:41.000 I'm going to get my people in and we're just going to ignore the law.

00:38:44.000 And you're making the country more lawless.

00:38:46.000 You're making the Constitution more toilet paper.

00:38:50.000 You're only adding to the problem by doing those things.

00:38:52.000 Which is the argument that conservatives usually give.

00:38:55.000 They're like, look.

00:38:56.000 We try to do things the right way, because this is the process that works.

00:39:01.000 The left tends to say, we want the results, and the process is less important, which is why people on the left will do things like we're discussing.

00:39:08.000 They'll ignore parts of the Constitution sometimes, and they'll say, oh, this is super important part of the Constitution this time, but next time it's not.

00:39:17.000 Because they're not worried about the process, because the result is what they're after.

00:39:20.000 But the process matters, because if you don't, and that's why, like, leftists...

00:39:24.000 Like, you see all kinds of, like, basket case countries that had socialist governments because they don't care about the process.

00:39:30.000 They only want the result.

00:39:31.000 What they're looking for is the government to just make things happen for the people in the way that they want.

00:39:38.000 And that's not how anything works.

00:39:40.000 Like, you can't just magic up results.

00:39:42.000 You have to have a process that works.

00:39:44.000 Okay, were you going to say something?

00:39:46.000 Yes.

00:39:46.000 Well, like, to that point, I was just like...

00:39:49.000 Remember there's Democrats sitting on the steps of USAID today demanding we need to shut down the Senate and we are at war.

00:39:56.000 But I do think it is interesting because I don't think...

00:39:58.000 Oh, they said that?

00:39:59.000 They said we need to shut down the Senate and we're at war.

00:40:01.000 Yeah.

00:40:02.000 I forget who said that, but yeah.

00:40:04.000 Yeah, I liked it better when Andrew Breitbart said war than some dysgenic Democrat outside of USAID. But I think it's an interesting, I think, from a narrative perspective, because if you watch, I know I watch a lot of MSNBC, but like Jen Psaki yesterday, right, was calling what Elon Musk was doing a quote-unquote hostile takeover of the United States government. 0.92

00:40:25.000 And yes, we can parse out the Elon Musk issue.

00:40:27.000 You know my show.

00:40:28.000 You know Steve has been critical of some of the stuff that he's done.

00:40:31.000 Not like full-blown Elon simps.

00:40:33.000 But I think that that framing of it is sort of interesting and I think it...

00:40:39.000 Plays into, I would argue, sort of the color revolution matrix, color revolution theory of the people like Norm Eisen and these people who oversees, whether it was like Ukraine in 2014, but have sort of used certain tactics like the concept of civil society to bring about regime change.

00:40:57.000 And now they're using those same tactics here at home.

00:41:00.000 One of the like seminal textbooks or just papers that they put out was called the Democracy Playbook back in 2019. It came from the Brookings.

00:41:08.000 Thank you.

00:41:09.000 It was written by Norm Eisen, who played a really intimate role in what happened in Ukraine and the Czech Republic and a bunch of Eastern European countries.

00:41:17.000 They just put out a newly revised edition on January 17th, no coincidences, no conspiracies, but talking about how they were sort of cross-applying those tactics to prevent democratic backsliding here in the United States.

00:41:30.000 And I just sort of reject the premise that a democratically elected president who's delivering on campaign promises is an...

00:41:39.000 And I think that they're very keen on that messaging because then it gives them the sort of extra-constitutional mandate and power to oppose.

00:41:51.000 Anything that he's doing because he's a dictator, he's an autocrat, if we don't stop this democratic backsliding is happening and the country is going to cease to exist, it gives them their raison d'etre, their reason to exist.

00:42:06.000 So that's why I just think even this discussion, you can see how it creeps in, you know what I mean?

00:42:09.000 But it's such an interesting, I just think, psychological way to look at...

00:42:15.000 He's delivering more or less on campaign promises and occasionally says things that are, I would argue, more art of the deal as opposed to actual concrete policy.

00:42:23.000 But they view it as a hostile takeover of the United States government.

00:42:28.000 The American people elected...

00:42:30.000 Trump, Elon played a very visible role on the campaign trail.

00:42:33.000 They said they were going to create Doge.

00:42:35.000 They said they were going to cut spending.

00:42:36.000 If anything, they haven't cut enough spending.

00:42:38.000 So it's just an interesting framing that I think if you really look why they're doing it, it's because they want to do what they've done to foreign countries in terms of the color revolutions.

00:42:46.000 They want to do that to us here at home.

00:42:48.000 You said they printed a paper on the 17th of January?

00:42:51.000 Yeah, it's called The Democracy Playbook.

00:42:54.000 It was written by, I think, Jonathan Katz and Norm Eisen out of the Brookings Institution.

00:42:59.000 The first edition, I think, was put out in 2019.

00:43:02.000 The second one was like early 2020 time.

00:43:05.000 And then they put a revised third edition out January 17th, 2025.

00:43:09.000 And they go through like the seven priorities of how to prevent democratic backsliding in the United States.

00:43:16.000 Step one is like securing elections, preserving civil society, having a strong media, basically outlining the resistance.

00:43:25.000 And just on the USAID point, I do think it is very interesting because one of the things that they were advocating for in this paper and for what it's worth, Norm Eisen was the guy who sued Doge initially within three minutes of the Trump administration.

00:43:39.000 Norm Eisen's State Democracy Defenders Group has collaborated with Mark Zaid, who was one of the lawyers that was behind the first impeachment of President Trump, to also sue the FBI. There was a big story in the Huffington Post yesterday about that.

00:43:51.000 So these are like very key players.

00:43:53.000 They're not just some random people.

00:43:55.000 But I was reading through the report today.

00:43:58.000 We're talking about it on War Room.

00:43:59.000 And USAID is mentioned dozens of times.

00:44:03.000 The report's like 158 pages or whatever.

00:44:06.000 And one of the things that they mentioned was like, in order to have a strong resistance movement, we have to have international partners and allies to push back against President Trump.

00:44:17.000 And so to me, when I hear what's going on at USAID, I'm like, oh, you guys wanted to launder a bunch of money to a bunch of...

00:44:24.000 International resistance groups in the name of democracy.

00:44:28.000 And that was how you were going to resist President Trump.

00:44:31.000 Because that's what they called for in the playbook by the same guy who's suing, right?

00:44:35.000 So these are all the same act.

00:44:36.000 Like this is, you know, I know the deep state is a very nice cutesy term, but like this is the deep state, right?

00:44:43.000 Like if there's a face to it, it's actions like this and they have their finger in the lawsuits and everywhere.

00:44:50.000 From just a narrative perspective.

00:44:52.000 And to that point, last thing I know I'm talking about.

00:44:54.000 That's why you're here.

00:44:57.000 I've been told I'm a DEI hire.

00:44:59.000 No.

00:45:00.000 But, you know, last night, Rachel Maddow does a 25-minute monologue.

00:45:05.000 You would think that she probably would have covered USAID or the confirmation hearings. 1.00

00:45:10.000 What does she spend the 25 minutes on? 1.00

00:45:12.000 Going on and on about the power and importance of independent and alternative media and how it's under assault.

00:45:19.000 and how they're going after NPR and CBS and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:45:23.000 Those are, she called those independent?

00:45:25.000 Which I was like, girl, you need to get a dictionary because that's not independent media.

00:45:28.000 But my point is, it's very curious to me on the day that USAID is getting crippled, which I would argue was going to be the linchpin in funding a lot of these resistance efforts, which was sort of contained to this sector of society that was civil society and media, because they have no governmental power, to see Rachel Maddow imploring her audience, go donate to independent media, to see Rachel Maddow imploring her audience, go donate to independent media, go support It's an interesting thing, right?

00:45:50.000 Like the timing.

00:45:51.000 So that's why I think they're in such meltdown.

00:45:55.000 And removing these people from these buildings also removes a bunch of sources, right, for MSNBC. And by the way, they're still having these inspector generals, all these DOJ people.

00:46:04.000 They're still having them on MSNBC, but their chyrons are not, you know, this is the role and I'm leaking.

00:46:10.000 It's like former fired inspector general.

00:46:13.000 Yeah, and there was a long time where they were just considered leakers or whatever.

00:46:17.000 There's nothing that the establishment media hates more than losing access.

00:46:23.000 It's one of the things that I've talked about multiple times.

00:46:25.000 You don't need to have direct payments.

00:46:30.000 When you can offer people access, inside information and access, because if you have someone high up in the bureaucracy's phone number, that's the same thing as having power.

00:46:42.000 If you can call that person and say, look, I need a favor, can you get me information?

00:46:46.000 That kind of power, that kind of access is the whole point of money a lot of times.

00:46:51.000 I want to go to this from Timcast News.

00:46:54.000 Natalie had mentioned they were calling for the shutting down the Senate, so I'm not sure who this person is actually talking here, but we can listen to this.

00:47:05.000 Shut down the Senate!

00:47:14.000 Oh, I hope there's more news.

00:47:15.000 That's right.

00:47:16.000 My name is Sydney Kamlocker-Darr.

00:47:20.000 And I am from Los Angeles.

00:47:22.000 And we are still trying to recover from the devastation of the fires across L.A. County.

00:47:31.000 And I can tell you something for sure.

00:47:34.000 No one elected Elon Musk to make any decisions about getting my county, my city, my state aid to help us rebuild.

00:47:45.000 There is an economic coup happening right here in the Treasury and right there in Trump's White House.

00:47:58.000 But there's a revolution happening right here on these streets.

00:48:03.000 It's always the same type of phrasing.

00:48:06.000 It is total corruption for an unhinged, unqualified, unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury to try to take control of our government, to have access to our Our Social Security numbers.

00:48:33.000 Our Social Security payments.

00:48:36.000 Our medical benefits. 0.98

00:48:38.000 All of the information that we use when we are trying to get a motherfucking tax return. 0.98

00:48:45.000 Pardon my French. 0.98

00:48:46.000 And you're going to take our money?

00:48:53.000 Homie, don't play that. 1.00

00:49:00.000 Living color shout out.

00:49:02.000 Damon Wayans in the house.

00:49:03.000 Very good.

00:49:04.000 I'm going to blame you for making me, for etching that into my brain there, Phil.

00:49:07.000 That woman's voice. 0.85

00:49:09.000 It's terrible.

00:49:10.000 Firstly, lady, you use a microphone so you don't have to yell. 0.97

00:49:14.000 That's the point.

00:49:15.000 You don't scream into the microphone.

00:49:16.000 You just talk loudly in the microphone.

00:49:19.000 Thank God.

00:49:20.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:49:21.000 You were saying?

00:49:21.000 That's all right.

00:49:22.000 So this is something that I hear the left talking about, the scare tactic.

00:49:28.000 Tactic of saying, oh, Elon Musk is going to go after your Social Security and go after your Medicare and Medicaid.

00:49:35.000 The only thing I have to say to that is, I hope so.

00:49:38.000 Because if the mandatory spending is not addressed, then the federal government is going to become insolvent.

00:49:47.000 As much as everyone loves to use this as a scare tactic...

00:49:52.000 This is what drives the debt.

00:49:54.000 I love what they're doing with Doge.

00:49:55.000 I love the idea of shrinking the bureaucracy.

00:49:58.000 I love returning the power to the elected officials and to the executive, making the bureaucracy smaller because there's less impact that the bureaucracy can have on the average person's life that way.

00:50:12.000 And the people that vote for the president and for Congress, they should be the ones that are actually exercising power.

00:50:19.000 And as long as the bureaucracy is just making rules as they see fit, then the people don't have the ability to fire their representative to have an effect on what laws are created because the laws are created by faceless bureaucrats.

00:50:35.000 But that doesn't change the fact that the thing that drives our debt...

00:50:39.000 Is Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid?

00:50:42.000 Those are the things that make the U.S. insolvent.

00:50:45.000 They could shrink the discretionary spending by half, and it would not change the long-term projections for the U.S. debt and for our deficit.

00:51:00.000 It just wouldn't.

00:51:01.000 Since 2008, since the financial collapse, they were saying Obama kicked the can down the road by bailing out Freddie...

00:51:07.000 Freddie, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

00:51:09.000 Bro, Ronald Reagan kicked the can down the road.

00:51:11.000 This is like the end of the road.

00:51:13.000 This is where the can is no longer being kicked.

00:51:15.000 This is the moment where they're like, we're going to stop kicking the can, everyone.

00:51:17.000 And they said it was going to hurt.

00:51:19.000 So people lose Medicare.

00:51:21.000 Like, if people lose their Social Security, old people, and then they go homeless. 0.58

00:51:24.000 Like, that's the end of the road.

00:51:27.000 God, energy.

00:51:28.000 Just bear in mind, the option, right, is not you...

00:51:32.000 Get rid of Social Security and Medicare or you don't get rid of it.

00:51:36.000 You try to fix it and do your best you can to fix it or else the whole country loses it.

00:51:42.000 So what's Elon doing with it anyway?

00:51:44.000 Well, Elon hasn't actually touched anything.

00:51:46.000 He hasn't done a thing with it.

00:51:47.000 This is all about a scare tactic.

00:51:49.000 The whole thing that she said about bringing up Social Security and stuff like that, it's all scare tactic.

00:51:54.000 And they're saying, oh, he's going to do this, he's going to do that.

00:51:56.000 Because right now, the stuff that he's focused on is only the discretionary spending.

00:52:01.000 Stuff like, even if he were to go after the military budget, the military budget's still discretionary spending.

00:52:07.000 That doesn't affect the actual long-term...

00:52:11.000 You know, forecast for our economic problems.

00:52:13.000 There are people on the left that are always going to say, oh man, we're spending so much money on the military, and if we just stop spending money on the military, everything would be fine.

00:52:23.000 That is absolutely false.

00:52:25.000 That is absolutely false.

00:52:27.000 As much as I don't want the U.S. to spend money on foreign aid, foreign aid is not going to make the United States go broke.

00:52:34.000 The money that we send to Ukraine, it's not going to make the U.S. go broke.

00:52:38.000 It is a drop in the bucket compared to the spending that we do on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

00:52:45.000 And until we fix those policies, until we fix those problems, they can holler all they want.

00:52:51.000 But it doesn't change the long-term outlook.

00:52:53.000 This is just a scare tactic because they don't want to lose the money that they're getting from discretionary spending, from the pork that they put into the things that they can, the bills that they can put the garbage stuff into.

00:53:09.000 They don't want to lose that slush fund.

00:53:13.000 That's why we need Maha.

00:53:15.000 I mean, I love this idea as well.

00:53:16.000 When we talked to...

00:53:18.000 Talk to RFK at the Libertarian Convention.

00:53:22.000 Shut down the Senate!

00:53:22.000 Oh, this again.

00:53:23.000 There's a third surge playing with my mind.

00:53:26.000 Oh, there's a fourth time.

00:53:27.000 I mean, to be fair, I would kind of be down to shut down the Senate, but...

00:53:30.000 What do you mean exactly?

00:53:32.000 Also, what does that even mean?

00:53:34.000 Wait, to talk more about Maha, you were just bringing up RFK. We talked to RFK at the Libertarian National Convention.

00:53:40.000 I asked him, I said, hey, what is your plan?

00:53:44.000 Because he was still running for president.

00:53:45.000 He wasn't on board with Donald Trump yet.

00:53:49.000 I said to him, look, the biggest problem, the only existential threat that actually faces the United States right now is mandatory spending, is Social Security and...

00:54:02.000 Medicare and Medicaid.

00:54:03.000 Those are actual existential threats.

00:54:06.000 There is nothing else, in my opinion, maybe nuclear war is an existential threat, but that's it.

00:54:13.000 The only existential threat that we face is the unfunded liabilities.

00:54:20.000 And so I asked him, I was like, hey, you know, what do you plan to do about these situations?

00:54:24.000 And so I don't think that he was quite prepared for the...

00:54:28.000 The question, because I think that people don't tend to ask that much because it's such a third rail question.

00:54:34.000 But he did say, he's like, look, we need to make America healthy again.

00:54:38.000 We need to get people off this terrible food.

00:54:42.000 We need to lower the obesity rate.

00:54:45.000 We need to get rid of, we need to get people that are developing, prevent people that are developing diabetes from developing diabetes.

00:54:52.000 And he's relating all of these Illnesses that people are getting that are unique to our society and to our time.

00:55:02.000 And he's saying these things will actually affect the cost of Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security in the future.

00:55:08.000 And while I don't think that's a comprehensive repair or fix, there is validity to the argument that the fewer people you have that are sick when they're older because they end up getting onto some kind of for the rest of your life medication, the better it is for the...

00:55:25.000 It is funny to me, too, that they're melting down about what unelected people and billionaires controlling the government.

00:55:34.000 Like, have you ever seen a better case of projection?

00:55:37.000 Their entire party is run by billionaires and unelected bureaucrats.

00:55:40.000 I would argue our billionaires are better and our unelected bureaucrats are better.

00:55:46.000 The entire Joe Biden presidency Joe Biden was not running.

00:55:50.000 He was dead.

00:55:51.000 Exactly.

00:55:51.000 He was dead.

00:55:52.000 It's infuriating.

00:55:53.000 He could have been and it really wouldn't have been a different.

00:55:55.000 But I also do think anytime I see what we're talking about how just horrible the status quo is when it comes to all things healthcare or just fiscally how irresponsible we are.

00:56:05.000 I remember in 2016 when President Trump, controversially, he told black people, he was like, you know, what do you have to lose?

00:56:12.000 And I kind of feel like in some ways.

00:56:14.000 That approach has now metastasized to like every corner of President Trump's approach to this administration.

00:56:22.000 And I think it's very valid, right?

00:56:24.000 It's like fiscally.

00:56:25.000 What do we have to lose?

00:56:26.000 It's not going well.

00:56:27.000 You don't have the moral superiority or the fiscal solvency superiority to say that, oh, no, no, you've got to stay out of this building.

00:56:34.000 You don't know what you're doing.

00:56:35.000 It's like, actually, you guys have had the keys to the kingdom, the castle, for a really long time, and you guys have screwed up for a really long time.

00:56:42.000 Same with the health care stuff.

00:56:43.000 So I think it's like, what does America have to lose?

00:56:46.000 I mean, yes, obviously a lot, but on the other hand, a continuation of what the status quo is also, it's not gonna, doesn't work.

00:56:53.000 Well, the continuation of the status quo ends up exactly what she was saying Musk would do, right?

00:57:00.000 She's saying, look, he's gonna take away your Social Security, he's gonna take away your Medicare, he's gonna take away your Medicaid.

00:57:06.000 Well, if we continue down the path that we're on, then the U.S. becomes insolvent, and those programs end.

00:57:14.000 So they go away.

00:57:15.000 So either way, either there is an attempt to fix it by some administration at some point, and it's going to have to take changes, and I don't claim to know how to fix it, but either there is an attempt to fix it, and there's going to be serious changes, or it actually goes away because people stop lending the United States money.

00:57:35.000 And the value of the dollar goes away because people don't believe in the value of the dollar anymore.

00:57:40.000 Because the U.S. is, like, the dollar's backed up by nuclear weapons.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, Rubio said in five years we're not even going to be talking about tariffs because the U.S. dollar's not going to have that kind of influence anymore.

00:57:50.000 He said that, I think, a couple days ago or yesterday.

00:57:52.000 So, like, we should have at some point a Medicare or Medicaid expert in the room, because I have questions, like, how much of the money that we're, our tax money that we're giving to Medicare and Medicaid end up in pharmaceutical hands or in health insurance company hands, like private industry hands?

00:58:08.000 What percentage of that?

00:58:10.000 The government doesn't provide health insurance.

00:58:13.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:14.000 The government doesn't provide health care.

00:58:16.000 The government doesn't provide drugs.

00:58:17.000 The government doesn't provide doctors.

00:58:19.000 The government doesn't provide any of that.

00:58:21.000 It's all the private industry that does that.

00:58:24.000 So the government just pays for it.

00:58:25.000 All universal health care would be is the government writes the check for people.

00:58:31.000 And if you don't have a market, then that just means that the government pays whatever the...

00:58:38.000 Companies say.

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 How much of it is overspending, is overexpenditure?

00:58:42.000 That's what I want to know.

00:58:42.000 I want to look at the books and be like, are we spending through Medicare $80 for aspirin?

00:58:47.000 Because we just can print the money and it makes everybody rich and then the person gets their free aspirin?

00:58:51.000 That's not good.

00:58:52.000 That needs to be changed.

00:58:53.000 I don't see how that would even hurt the American citizen getting the aspirin.

00:58:57.000 It would just derail the insurance companies or the medicine companies or something, which obviously...

00:59:04.000 He's another third rail.

00:59:05.000 You heard at the RFK's hearings, everybody that is against RFK was coming down on him, and then if you look at the people that were funding these senators, their candidacies, they were all getting tons of money from pharmaceutical companies.

00:59:26.000 It shocked me when Elizabeth Warren expressed concern that if RFK gets in, that he's going to end up suing Vaccine companies. 0.98

00:59:35.000 That was a bad thing.

00:59:36.000 She wants to prevent him from suing any pharmaceutical company.

00:59:39.000 That's what she was looking for.

00:59:41.000 She wanted a commitment from him that he would not sue any pharmaceutical company for any reason.

00:59:50.000 For the next eight years.

00:59:51.000 Our government needs the ability to sue private companies and they can go to court and they can win the suit if they're in the right.

00:59:58.000 And we assume the lawsuit will fail, and they will not get anything from them.

01:00:02.000 But we need that ability.

01:00:04.000 So that was just mind-blowing that those guys are pro-vaccine companies right now.

01:00:10.000 I don't know, man.

01:00:11.000 I guess you said they're getting paid.

01:00:13.000 Yeah, well, I mean, they all have...

01:00:16.000 Donations from pharmaceuticals?

01:00:17.000 You said, Natalie, this is like a lot of projections, saying that we're in some sort of economic coup right now, because it's very plainly, we suffered an economic coup in 1913, and it's been ongoing.

01:00:26.000 The Federal Reserve was an economic coup.

01:00:28.000 They tried to actually stage a real coup when they did the business plot, and they wanted to march hundreds of thousands of soldiers on Washington, D.C. in 1932, 1933, whenever the business plot was.

01:00:39.000 Like, legit, these banksters have been formating a coup for like 100 years.

01:00:44.000 And it's just time that that ends.

01:00:46.000 Whatever.

01:00:47.000 Not just that.

01:00:47.000 We need to create something better.

01:00:50.000 We can't just end it.

01:00:51.000 If we end it, it's over.

01:00:52.000 You need to create something better.

01:00:54.000 And hopefully that's what's happening.

01:00:56.000 Nothing too big too fast.

01:00:57.000 That's why I'm a little concerned that things happen too big too fast.

01:00:59.000 But, oh, there, slow down.

01:01:01.000 Maybe it is time to do some big drastic things.

01:01:04.000 I don't know.

01:01:05.000 I'm not behind the scenes on it.

01:01:06.000 Graphene standard instead of the gold standard.

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, we're entering the carbon age.

01:01:13.000 We're going to go ahead and jump on to this next story.

01:01:17.000 From Newsweek, Elon Musk takes aim at Reddit.

01:01:20.000 Elon Musk has taken aim at Reddit after some of his site's moderators introduced on Blinks2x, formerly Twitter, in protest over his alleged Nazi salute during an event for President Donald Trump's inauguration.

01:01:33.000 Newsweek has contacted Reddit for comment via email.

01:01:37.000 It comes after the billionaire and self-proclaimed free speech absolutist took aim at Wikipedia after the online encyclopedia's 2023-24 annual report showed 29% of its budget had been spent on equity and safety and inclusion.

01:01:51.000 Why does an online encyclopedia need 30% of its budget spent on equity and safety and inclusion?

01:01:58.000 Because it's really that important.

01:02:00.000 You have no idea how important it is.

01:02:03.000 Super, super.

01:02:03.000 Because they're probably hiring a bunch of unqualified people to do it, so they have to hire 300 people.

01:02:11.000 It's about as left-wing as you can get.

01:02:15.000 I think people who want to work in the fields of equity, it's probably self-selecting for, shall we say, not the brightest.

01:02:21.000 I imagine so.

01:02:22.000 Let's see.

01:02:27.000 Part of the reason why, so this is what Newsweek is saying about the whole situation with Reddit, but the actual situation stems from, if I understand correctly, people on Reddit have been trying to attack or advocating people attack the people in Doge, attack Musk himself.

01:02:56.000 Indy100 says, They have broken the law.

01:02:58.000 A Reddit page banned after facing criticism from Musk.

01:03:02.000 They go on to say, A Reddit page which Elon Musk called out over threats of violence to staff members at the Department of Government Efficiency has been temporarily banned.

01:03:11.000 Taking to his social media platform, formerly X Twitter, the billionaire reshared a post from the account Reddit Lies, which gathered a number of screenshots from the white people Twitter subreddit, where users called for the public execution of Doge software developers.

01:03:26.000 Some of the screenshots say Muskrat's Doge henchmen have been identified.

01:03:30.000 It's time to do more than dragging names.

01:03:32.000 Let's drag their necks up by a large coil of ropes. 0.99

01:03:36.000 Time to hunt. 0.64

01:03:37.000 I'll say it. 0.99

01:03:38.000 This Nazi stooge needs to be. 0.98

01:03:40.000 I'm not going to say that. 0.95

01:03:41.000 And other comments sharing a similar sentiment.

01:03:43.000 This is this is typical of the left.

01:03:46.000 We see the way that the imagery and comments are made about Donald Trump.

01:03:53.000 Whether it be his first time in office, the actual attacks on his life after when he was on the campaign trail, and this kind of stuff now being thrown about must.

01:04:07.000 The left is completely prepared or completely comfortable with making threats and carrying them out.

01:04:16.000 A lot of people like to blame the right and say the right does this and the right does that.

01:04:22.000 In the past five years, the number of violent attacks from the left, there have to be hundreds and hundreds when you consider the 2020 summer of riots that happened.

01:04:41.000 So, I mean, it shouldn't be something that is normal, but it is something that's become normal.

01:04:47.000 I'm sort of an absolutist.

01:04:49.000 With the First Amendment.

01:04:51.000 So, like, this Reddit's a private company, and they can ban whoever they want at any time for any reason.

01:04:55.000 Which, okay, fine.

01:04:57.000 Technically, from what I understand about making threats, if it's an imminent threat, meaning that there is a place, a person, and a time, then that is illegal.

01:05:08.000 Otherwise, if you say, we should go commit the thing against the person, like, that's legal.

01:05:14.000 You're allowed to do that.

01:05:15.000 As horrible as it is, like, pull up the guy's name and say, we should do the violent thing, that's legal.

01:05:21.000 But it can definitely lead towards an incision of the action, which is a problem, obviously.

01:05:27.000 And that's what social media administrators constantly wrestle with, is like, how do we stop this from getting out of hand?

01:05:33.000 You know, these little fires are okay, but the big one, the imminent call to violence.

01:05:37.000 Well, there have been two, you know, there were two attempts on Donald Trump's life, just this.

01:05:42.000 You know, just last fall, or last summer and fall.

01:05:45.000 So this is a real...

01:05:47.000 What was that?

01:05:47.000 I was going to say, I am glad, though, that the media is really now opposed to censorship.

01:05:52.000 That's a newfound sentiment.

01:05:53.000 I didn't know they were so mad about Reddit communities getting banned, but I think you even see it in that headline that you almost, or just add up, but the way that they're framing it, right, is that...

01:06:04.000 Basically, Reddit is cratering to Elon Musk because he dared to expose it.

01:06:10.000 And I think that that's sort of the broader news cycle, which is the idea of what they call it on the left of anticipatory obedience, where these sort of left wing media outlets are settling with President Trump or all the big tech oligarchs, the overlords, right, are giving in to President Trump.

01:06:26.000 They're sort of bending the knee.

01:06:27.000 And I think that this story, the only reason that they're really covering it is because it's like, look.

01:06:32.000 Another tech platform is, you know, falling victim to evil, oligarchic Elon Musk, which we can debate the legitimacy of that, but I don't think they really care about a Reddit community.

01:06:44.000 No, no.

01:06:46.000 For context, I brought up the actual Reddit lies post in question.

01:06:51.000 But, you know, you can see these are shall we storm the White House, storm the White House, storm the White House, angry mob enters the White House, let's storm the White House.

01:06:59.000 These kind of posts are the kind of thing That will get the attention of the Secret Service Like they will go ahead And I'm sure that If these Redditors If they I'm not sure how Reddit actually You know logs people's IPs and stuff like that but I would not be surprised At all if the Secret Service Makes some phone calls and these people get You know get a phone call and a Visit from the Secret Service Like a

01:07:28.000 Probable cause kind of thing.

01:07:30.000 You can't go arrest someone for saying that on Reddit, I know, legally, but these are the kind of rooms that Reddit will ban.

01:07:37.000 Frequently.

01:07:38.000 People that talk like this on Reddit, those pages get shut down because Reddit doesn't tolerate that kind of crap for the most part.

01:07:44.000 But you think it's reasonable for the Secret Service or the FBI to put a bug on someone's phone if they talk like this online?

01:07:51.000 I'm not saying that it's reasonable.

01:07:52.000 I'm saying that's what will happen.

01:07:53.000 I'm not making a call about whether or not they should.

01:07:56.000 I'm saying that they will.

01:07:58.000 They have done that in the past.

01:08:00.000 This is the kind of thing that will get their attention.

01:08:02.000 I mean, two assassination attempts on the president and then this online. 1.00

01:08:05.000 You'd be stupid. 1.00

01:08:06.000 And there are constantly people that are saying things. 1.00

01:08:10.000 They're arresting someone like every other day at DCA, choose your weapon, trying to kill, and then choose your cabinet secretary.

01:08:15.000 It's absolutely insane.

01:08:18.000 But they're doxing like young...

01:08:20.000 Kids, young boys, the pictures, their faces.

01:08:22.000 But even, too, I forget what media outlet it was, but they put out a long-form article, too.

01:08:26.000 I think that was sort of the genesis of a lot of this.

01:08:28.000 So it's not just like random Reddit anonymous accounts.

01:08:31.000 We love anonymous Redditors, but some legacy media outlet, I forget, published the story, kind of initially doxing them, which obviously they dox people all the time.

01:08:42.000 But I think the mainstream media also has some blame for this too, right?

01:08:46.000 They turned the heat on Doge for a while.

01:08:48.000 They've made people think that Doge is like the evil authoritarian, like Jen Psaki was just saying, hostile takeover of the United States of America.

01:08:56.000 So of course these people who've drank all the, you know, democracy Kool-Aid, they can't foment like they were doing during the election season over, oh, we must get Trump, we must get Trump.

01:09:04.000 So now the next best, the next greatest enemy that they can go after and that's probably more proximal and I think like an actual entity that they think they can probably have a victory against because in their eyes it's unconstitutional.

01:09:15.000 It's extra legal.

01:09:16.000 There's all the lawsuits going on right now.

01:09:18.000 They're like very, very focused on Doge and I think they just have Elon Musk derangement syndrome.

01:09:23.000 Do you think that part of the reason why they're so focused on Doge is because Doge has been so quick to act and so successful? - I think the doge paradigm is I think it's two main factors.

01:09:37.000 One...

01:09:38.000 I think it's actually a really smart issue that Republicans have sort of seized and really won on the messaging side of things, which is the waste, fraud, and abuse, but also the really evil, sinister, nefarious spending of, like, I don't know, funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology over in China.

01:09:54.000 That's something that the American people don't want to support.

01:09:56.000 You'd be hard-pressed to find an American citizen who doesn't want to keep more of their tax dollars, right?

01:10:00.000 So that's a winning issue.

01:10:01.000 So they have to take it away from us somehow.

01:10:04.000 And the way that they do it is by smearing like what we were talking about before, this idea of the democracy playbook, the authoritarian playbook, where they have to sort of reorient Doge through the lens of, oh, it's not actually about cutting government spending or saving you tax dollars.

01:10:19.000 It's about giving Elon Musk and his super wealthy buddies, you know, more government contracts or getting their tax cuts, which is sort of, I think, the newfound iteration of, oh, Republicans only represent the rich.

01:10:31.000 They just want to get your tax cuts.

01:10:33.000 And I just I reject that framing.

01:10:35.000 I reject.

01:10:36.000 Personally, again, the Elon Musk issue is complex and you can have that debate.

01:10:40.000 But I think they have to put it in the category of this man is an authoritarian.

01:10:45.000 This man was not democratically elected because it's such a winning issue for us.

01:10:49.000 And even, too, you see it.

01:10:51.000 Democrats are trying to get in on the Doge caucus stuff because they know it's very politically salient.

01:10:58.000 But then the media is like, no, no, no.

01:11:01.000 This is all a scam.

01:11:02.000 It's all a racket.

01:11:03.000 I don't know.

01:11:07.000 But again, I reject the premise.

01:11:08.000 I reject the framing.

01:11:09.000 Elon Musk was a very visible on the campaign trail.

01:11:12.000 B, they've been talking.

01:11:13.000 Dozier's like probably the most tweeted and talked about word the entire election cycle.

01:11:17.000 So it's not like this is something that President Trump is springing on the American people.

01:11:22.000 It's literally what the American people voted for.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, I get the sense that you don't get you might not even get Donald Trump in the White House again if it were not for the efforts of Elon Musk.

01:11:35.000 No, I think that that rationale is twofold.

01:11:39.000 One, and again, just because he played an instrumental role, it doesn't mean that he's the shadow president.

01:11:44.000 It gives him a voice at the table, right?

01:11:46.000 Like, it does anyone who's played a significant role.

01:11:49.000 But I think one is obviously the ground game in Pennsylvania, and I think his mind and the people around him realize that, you know, we're not just going to waste a bunch of money on ads.

01:11:57.000 It's about knocking on doors.

01:11:59.000 It's our actual mobilizing grassroots.

01:12:01.000 About Scott Pressler.

01:12:02.000 Right, it's that kind of stuff.

01:12:04.000 But then there's the ideological component, too, which is bringing on the dose.

01:12:09.000 And again, but I think the Doge stuff is particularly unique because it's not just about the tired trope that congressional Republicans have been doing for decades, which is, oh, we're going to cut, you know, sending $10,000 to fund a musical in Afghanistan.

01:12:26.000 It's like, yes, of course, that's bad.

01:12:28.000 But that's not the root of the issue.

01:12:31.000 The root of the issue is that we have a horrible, horrific health care system here and we're subsidizing and bankrolling the pension funds and the public health care systems of the entirety of Europe.

01:12:43.000 Well, they're not giving anything to NATO and we're being forced to pick up the bill.

01:12:47.000 Right.

01:12:47.000 It's an entire reorientation of not just the economy here at home, but internationally.

01:12:52.000 And that's why President Trump's tariffs work so beautifully in that sort of like, you know, Monroe Doctrine-esque reversal of the idea that...

01:13:00.000 Let's use economic warfare.

01:13:02.000 Let's use our economic heavyweight prowess to actually wage war on behalf of the American people and not against the American people like Joe Biden and Democrats and establishment Republicans have been doing for so long.

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 I heard you kind of...

01:13:22.000 I guess not really a caveat, but question whether Musk is a good thing or a bad thing.

01:13:28.000 Steve Bannon is actually kind of critical.

01:13:30.000 On a bit of a war path, shall we say.

01:13:32.000 What was that?

01:13:32.000 On a little bit of a war path.

01:13:34.000 You saw his interview with the New York Times.

01:13:37.000 Well, look, I think his business, you know, complex of interest with China is a staunch CCP hawk.

01:13:43.000 That's something that I don't particularly like, knowing how China operates. 0.91

01:13:49.000 I don't necessarily think that we need to be subsidizing Elon Musk's space adventures, right?

01:14:10.000 Like you were saying, there's issues that are more, I think, important here at home.

01:14:17.000 And frankly, I just sort of reject the transhumanism angle of it, too, which isn't just unique to Elon Musk.

01:14:23.000 I think it's just kind of the Silicon Valley ethos.

01:14:27.000 You know, I just think it's a little, like...

01:14:29.000 And frankly, too, the H-1B stuff, we were very staunchly against that. 0.78

01:14:35.000 The H-1B visa is predicated entirely on a lie.

01:14:39.000 We are not, A, importing the best and brightest at all.

01:14:41.000 Look at the numbers.

01:14:42.000 It's 80% are in the Tier 1 category.

01:14:44.000 They're making less than the 50% wage mark.

01:14:47.000 And even if you set aside the best and brightest, there's no shortage.

01:14:52.000 In the same way that the idea that...

01:14:55.000 I know we're on YouTube.

01:14:56.000 I caught myself.

01:14:57.000 But in the same way that a lot of the propaganda that we are fed from Congress is all lobbyist white papers that's then presented as fact or, oh, well, the Brookings Institution of the Atlantic Council put out a paper, so it must be true.

01:15:08.000 It's all BS to push an agenda.

01:15:10.000 The idea that we even had a shortage of workers that we need to import a bunch of people from backwards countries that don't even speak English is also completely bogus at face value.

01:15:20.000 I think one in two people who graduate with STEM degrees will never actually work in STEM. Now, I bring up all those points just to say that the facts are conclusively on our side on the H-1B visa debate.

01:15:31.000 So it's not a fact thing.

01:15:34.000 It's an ideology thing.

01:15:35.000 And I think that moment was very clarifying in the sense that they view the goal of, I think, their movement is to sort of maximize the profits of their companies, their corporations, which is fine for them.

01:15:50.000 It's not necessarily good for the American people.

01:15:52.000 But more acutely, I think that they have sort of an idea where they can like terraform the workforce here in the United States and that citizenship and that American identity doesn't matter.

01:16:02.000 Because if they think that, oh, well, we could maximize productivity by replacing every legacy American with some Indian person who doesn't speak English. 0.98

01:16:11.000 Well, yeah, you probably maybe – still, I would reject the science on that, that it's going to be better.

01:16:16.000 But yeah, I'm sure you could maybe have a more productive society.

01:16:19.000 But it's not all about productivity.

01:16:22.000 There's something unique about being an American, and I think that moment sort of encapsulates the tension that we have with, like, the Elon Musk brigade.

01:16:29.000 But that being said, it's not like Elon Musk is coming in and, like, commandeering it, right?

01:16:33.000 He has a seat at the table.

01:16:35.000 Steve Bannon and Bannon, everyone has a seat at the table.

01:16:38.000 The MAGA movement is a very diverse, in a good way, coalition, so we can have these debates.

01:16:44.000 But I think their framing takes it too far, but you can still criticize Elon Musk, and we have.

01:16:50.000 With the argument that productivity is not the end goal, that it's not always good just to maximize productivity.

01:16:56.000 We used to joke, a friend of mine in college, about efficiency.

01:16:59.000 He'd be like, oh, that's very efficient.

01:17:01.000 Like the Nazis, because they were extremely productive and efficient, but you saw what that led to. 0.96

01:17:07.000 Well, it's good that they're being efficient with our tax dollars.

01:17:09.000 Like, yes, that's a paradigm where efficiency matters.

01:17:11.000 Again, the variable being what they're using it for, sure.

01:17:15.000 I would argue they're quite efficient at weaponizing, right, the government against us.

01:17:19.000 Like, they had no issue there.

01:17:20.000 They just seemed to not be very efficient with actually putting out policies that put the American people first.

01:17:26.000 But I think my just bigger issue more...

01:17:29.000 More broadly with the whole Elon things in terms of this paradigm of efficiency is just...

01:17:36.000 I don't know how to put it, but I just don't...

01:17:40.000 I don't think that the issue at the end of the day when you're looking at what it means to be an American is like...

01:17:48.000 How can we drive the profits of multinational corporations?

01:17:51.000 I would rather live in a town and a community where, okay, maybe my DoorDash driver is not totally automated and a robot's not bringing me food, but at least I know my neighbors and I'm not living in a bug pod with a bunch of people from every other country except the United States that doesn't speak English that, again, I would argue they're not even necessarily better at the job that I'm doing. 0.87

01:18:13.000 And also, too, I think to the other point, this idea of efficiency.

01:18:17.000 Which, again, I'm not a Luddite, though.

01:18:19.000 I guess I kind of am.

01:18:20.000 But what has Silicon Valley become really efficient in?

01:18:26.000 Okay, they're now using AI to engage in, like, social listening per the World Health Organization so they can censor us more effectively.

01:18:33.000 Like, again, I'm not anti-technological advancement and development, but, you know, I'm so glad that Pfizer has become really efficient in creating more vaccines.

01:18:42.000 Like, I'm so glad that we've become really efficient in, what, pandemic prevention?

01:18:46.000 Well, they didn't really do a good job of that a few years ago.

01:18:48.000 So I just think that sometimes we cede a lot of ground to them on the idea that, like, The tech bubble is something that needs to be allowed to flourish freely, which is what Obama did, right?

01:19:00.000 They were like, look, we're not going to regulate you.

01:19:02.000 You can get away literally with murder.

01:19:04.000 We'll give you all the money you want.

01:19:06.000 Just, hey, don't use that money against us, right?

01:19:09.000 Be our biggest fans.

01:19:10.000 And they have been.

01:19:11.000 Larry Ellison, who's the – well, he's the chairman of Oracle now.

01:19:14.000 He's like one of the founders of Oracle.

01:19:16.000 Fourth richest man in the world on paper.

01:19:19.000 He's one of Trump's three AI advisor guys that they – They're paying, you know, this, what is it called, Project Stargate, where they're, like, supercharging the AI. He's like, we're going to use AI. Larry Ellison is like, we're going to use AI to watch everyone.

01:19:34.000 And so criminals will be afraid to commit crimes, and people will be afraid to deviate from doing what they're supposed to do, and, like, in the name of efficiency.

01:19:42.000 And I agree with you that, like, life and the glory of being human is not about being the most efficient you can be.

01:19:49.000 A lot of it is about the exploration of reality.

01:19:53.000 It's very authoritarian and totalitarian, like, in a weird way, like, a roundabout way.

01:19:57.000 It's very, like, for lack of a better word, like, Chinese.

01:20:00.000 Like, you're living in China, right? 0.97

01:20:01.000 Like, you're living in your, like, crappy government housing, and you're, you know, there's, it's just all dark and gray and gross. 0.88

01:20:08.000 I've been to China, like, and it's, you exist to further the state. 0.68

01:20:12.000 There's no independence.

01:20:14.000 There's no autonomy.

01:20:14.000 And frankly, too, I also think I would take the other angle of, like, This country was founded on the idea of the importance of community and the importance of Christianity and religion and having a full life, right?

01:20:27.000 The idea of community was always something that was very, very important.

01:20:30.000 And of course, arts and culture, just look at the American literary canon, right?

01:20:35.000 And that's the American experiment and the American experience.

01:20:38.000 So if anyone, Vivek included, wants to go and sort of dictate...

01:20:46.000 To us what it means to be an American as more or less, I'm sorry, but like kind of a foreigner. 0.98

01:20:52.000 It's like you don't get to tell us.

01:20:54.000 He was born in Ohio.

01:20:56.000 I was a son of immigrants.

01:20:57.000 I'm just saying like, you know, you don't get to tell people who've been in this country for 200 years like what it means to be an American when you're a newer generation American, especially when what you're saying is extremely insulting to the founding.

01:21:12.000 Principles of this country.

01:21:13.000 And if you want to do that, if you want to go maximize profits and not have sleepovers and just focus on your children being like little bug men who all they care about is, you know, getting good grades so they can, what, go to a really elite institution where they're not going to learn anything and then become a slave at a tech company that would replace them in a second and they're going to, what, code programs that destroy this country, then like...

01:21:38.000 Fine.

01:21:39.000 I'm not saying go do that in your home country.

01:21:41.000 I'm not trying to go viral.

01:21:42.000 But like, go do that in a country that has that as their tradition.

01:21:47.000 That's not what this country is about.

01:21:50.000 And I think that's the sort of fundamental tension.

01:21:53.000 And I'm not going to be lectured by people who, I'm not going to say are less American than I am, but I'm just saying by people who have a really perverse view of what it means to be.

01:22:04.000 It's as offensive as when the DACA dreamers stand up there and demand, we're American, you have to give us this, you have to give us citizenship. 0.81

01:22:13.000 Excuse me?

01:22:14.000 Where do you get off telling me what to do?

01:22:16.000 You're not American. 1.00

01:22:17.000 Have you always been a Luddite?

01:22:19.000 Me?

01:22:21.000 Yes.

01:22:22.000 Okay.

01:22:23.000 You're referring to Vivek's tweet that kind of got heat at the end of December?

01:22:27.000 I do, yes.

01:22:27.000 He wrote that long tweet about basically making children more efficient, making them more business-minded in the math and science.

01:22:35.000 And he literally said, less sleepovers on the weekends, more math class.

01:22:40.000 I don't know how he worded it.

01:22:41.000 And I think maybe not...

01:22:43.000 Necessarily go do that in your own country.

01:22:45.000 Do kumon, not sleepover. 0.91

01:22:47.000 Human?

01:22:48.000 The food?

01:22:48.000 No, kumon.

01:22:49.000 You know, the, like, math tutoring?

01:22:50.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:51.000 But, like, I say do that in your own family.

01:22:53.000 Like, that's the thing about the United States.

01:22:55.000 If you want to have a family of, like, math and scientists, do that.

01:22:58.000 And then I could have a family of artists that, like, take three times longer to get anything done.

01:23:03.000 But that's kind of what makes...

01:23:05.000 Life worth living in a lot of ways.

01:23:07.000 You know, the beautification of things.

01:23:08.000 The wisdom of taking your time and maybe making a mistake.

01:23:13.000 You need to make room for error in systems.

01:23:15.000 If systems always work all the time, they can be heavily utilized to destroy.

01:23:20.000 You need room for corruption in systems.

01:23:23.000 You need failures to happen for gross, evil systems to break.

01:23:29.000 Like, it's the only way.

01:23:30.000 And I think that's kind of what the arts is.

01:23:33.000 Anyway, I digress.

01:23:35.000 All right, well, I think that we've got time for one more.

01:23:38.000 Hot enough takes for you guys?

01:23:39.000 Very hot.

01:23:40.000 Love it.

01:23:42.000 Meta, so there's been a lot of talk about Delaware.

01:23:47.000 Meta has said, from the New York Times, Meta said to explore incorporating in a different state.

01:23:53.000 The owner of Facebook and Instagram is incorporating in Delaware, but is incorporated in Delaware, excuse me, but is considering a change.

01:24:00.000 Its corporate headquarters would remain in Silicon Valley, people with knowledge of the matter said.

01:24:05.000 This all stems back to the issue with Tesla, Let's see if they talk about it.

01:24:12.000 Let's see.

01:24:13.000 Meta, the owner of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp, is considering changing where it is incorporated from Delaware to another state, two people with knowledge of the matter said.

01:24:22.000 The company is looking at Texas and a handful of other states, said the people who were not authorized to speak on confidential discussions.

01:24:29.000 The process is at an early stage and no decision has been made, they added.

01:24:33.000 Meta's corporate headquarters would remain in Melno Park, California.

01:24:36.000 Meta has been going through a corporate overhaul under Mark Zuckerberg.

01:24:39.000 The company's founder and chief executive, Mr. Zuckerberg, has spent the last two years making workforce cuts.

01:24:45.000 So that the company will operate more quickly and efficiently.

01:24:48.000 More recently, he has aggressively courted President Trump and policymakers in Washington as they set an agenda for issues such as antitrust and artificial intelligence, which will affect the biggest tech firms.

01:25:00.000 Let's see.

01:25:01.000 Do they talk about it?

01:25:02.000 I want to bring up...

01:25:03.000 Okay, right here.

01:25:04.000 Last year, Elon Musk's private rocket company SpaceX switched to its incorporation to Texas from Delaware.

01:25:09.000 Mr. Musk made the move weeks after a Delaware judge voided his pay package at Tesla, the electric vehicle maker that he leads.

01:25:16.000 That case was brought by Tesla shareholders who were challenging a stock options package that allowed Mr. Musk to acquire 304 million Tesla shares at a preset price if the company achieved certain goals.

01:25:28.000 The judge ruled that Mr. Musk had effectively overseen his own compensation plan valued at more than $50 billion at the time with the help of compliant board members.

01:25:36.000 Of course, the New York Times is doing its best to misrepresent what's going on.

01:25:40.000 The goals that Tesla had to achieve when they...

01:25:48.000 When Musk presented the idea to the shareholders, the goals were ridiculous, and no one thought that it was possible.

01:25:56.000 And so Musk was like, I don't want to get paid at all unless we reach these goals.

01:26:02.000 And when they did, everyone that was a shareholder was massively rich.

01:26:09.000 They made a ton of money.

01:26:10.000 They made a massive gain on their investment.

01:26:15.000 And the only people that were against this are people that are actually against Musk ideologically.

01:26:22.000 So there wasn't a lot of people that brought the suit against Musk.

01:26:27.000 If I understand correctly, it was someone that owned a few shares, maybe a couple hundred shares or something like that, but it wasn't someone that owned a lot of Tesla stock.

01:26:36.000 And this judge was also a Democrat appointed by, I think, the Obama administration.

01:26:45.000 Essentially, it was an ideological situation.

01:26:49.000 And now, Delaware is reaping the benefits of that, which is people are beginning to leave Delaware.

01:26:58.000 If you own a business, historically, Delaware has kind of been the place to go and incorporate.

01:27:04.000 I have a few businesses that are incorporated in Delaware for the band.

01:27:11.000 And now...

01:27:12.000 People are leaving because you can't trust the government.

01:27:15.000 One of the things that is absolutely vital for a functioning society is property rights.

01:27:22.000 This kind of misjudgment or this kind of judgment against people that knowingly entered into an agreement with Musk.

01:27:33.000 The shareholders were all...

01:27:34.000 The board was fine with it.

01:27:36.000 But this kind of...

01:27:37.000 You can't...

01:27:39.000 You know, you can't, we're going to declare that this agreement is void because a judge said so.

01:27:45.000 That's the kind of thing that will destroy an economy. 0.76

01:27:49.000 And when you see it, or you see it right now, that's why companies are leaving.

01:27:53.000 And granted, these companies aren't doing considerable business in Delaware, but no one's going to be going to Delaware to say, hey, we want to go in there.

01:28:03.000 This is the same kind of thing that Mr. Wonderful, Kevin Leary I think is his name, he was warning about when it came to the Mar-a-Lago case in New York.

01:28:15.000 If your property, if you cannot rely on the government to treat your property fairly and adjudicate disagreements fairly, people will not do business.

01:28:27.000 And this is why socialist countries that don't...

01:28:31.000 Respect property rights.

01:28:32.000 This is why they get into economic downward spirals.

01:28:35.000 Because if you don't respect people's property rights, if the government just takes your property for no reason, dictators do this too, then nobody that has any kind of money or any kind of value is going to put that money into your country or into your jurisdiction because it's not safe.

01:28:51.000 People don't want to invest in an area if they know that they're likely to lose the investment.

01:28:58.000 I like that you liken property.

01:28:59.000 You use the word property.

01:29:00.000 It's not just about land and houses and cars.

01:29:03.000 No, not at all.

01:29:03.000 It's about money, like your assets, your stock.

01:29:06.000 That's a type of property.

01:29:07.000 Yeah, I mean, so like from my perspective, like everything is about property, right?

01:29:11.000 So your body is your property. 0.83

01:29:13.000 So your future is your property.

01:29:15.000 The past that you lived, the things that you own are physical manifestation.

01:29:21.000 Of things that you did in the past.

01:29:23.000 So that's what property comes from.

01:29:26.000 Your future, if someone murders you, they take your property because they take your future.

01:29:31.000 If someone takes you and kidnaps you and throws you in jail, they take your present, which is also your property.

01:29:36.000 If people expropriate things that you have earned and worked for, they're taking your past.

01:29:41.000 These are all manifestations in physical reality of your property.

01:29:46.000 They're manifestations of your life.

01:29:49.000 So that's how...

01:29:50.000 To me, that's how property, that's how I work out property.

01:29:53.000 I've heard that the places to incorporate are Texas and Nevada.

01:29:59.000 Is that right?

01:29:59.000 Nevada?

01:30:00.000 I'm not sure.

01:30:01.000 We're talking highly of it, I think.

01:30:02.000 Definitely Texas.

01:30:04.000 For whatever reason, I haven't looked into the corporate law there.

01:30:09.000 I thought Wyoming looked kind of promising for crypto laws, but that was like five years ago.

01:30:14.000 I don't know how that's evolved in the last five years.

01:30:17.000 I don't know.

01:30:18.000 I don't have a lot to say about this story, except good for Mark.

01:30:23.000 I'm glad that they're waking up, or at least they're taking charge and control and getting out of Delaware.

01:30:29.000 I guess Delaware's so 1980s.

01:30:33.000 I mean, I just think it's a cautionary tale to anyone that would...

01:30:37.000 Anyone that has a left-leaning, economic, an emotional...

01:30:46.000 Affinity to left-leaning economics.

01:30:48.000 There are reasons why things like property rights are vital for functioning societies.

01:30:54.000 And if you don't have secure property rights, you are not going to have a functioning society.

01:31:00.000 You see it in all the people that have moved out of California.

01:31:06.000 If you have a business and people go and they steal your stuff and the government doesn't do anything about it, businesses leave.

01:31:14.000 Because their property rights are not protected by the government.

01:31:17.000 Property rights are the foundation of Western society.

01:31:23.000 People oftentimes don't think about them or give them the credit they deserve.

01:31:27.000 But if you don't, if your government doesn't secure property rights, your society will fall.

01:31:34.000 Your society will not stand for long.

01:31:36.000 It'll turn into an...

01:31:37.000 It's an absolute mess, and that's part of the reason why there are so many basket case countries all over the world, because dictatorships don't respect property rights.

01:31:47.000 They're like, well, it's my kingdom or it's mine, and so I'm going to take this if I feel like it, and you end up with dictatorships that have horrible economies.

01:31:58.000 It's not pretty what happens when you have a government that doesn't respect property rights, and it is an innovation.

01:32:05.000 We were talking about the Magna Carta the other night, but that was one of the things in the Magna Carta that the Englishman demanded the king secure, the right of property, the right to say this is yours and I'm not going to take it just because I'm the king and I want it.

01:32:20.000 You know, Englishman, that was an innovation and it was something that made for Western society as we know it.

01:32:28.000 Yeah, when you were saying the king can take all the property, I thought of Saudi Arabia. 0.85

01:32:32.000 But then I thought of England, and I was like, it's a different kind of king.

01:32:35.000 That is a different kind of monarchy.

01:32:37.000 The kingdom in Saudi Arabia, they could.

01:32:39.000 They don't, but they could.

01:32:41.000 They don't because they know what happens.

01:32:43.000 They know that it'll destroy society.

01:32:46.000 But also, there's so much money because of oil in Saudi Arabia.

01:32:52.000 Apparently...

01:32:52.000 The royal family's worth $1.4 trillion on the books, and that's like 15,000 people, or 1,500 or 15,000.

01:33:00.000 I don't want to get that magnitude wrong.

01:33:02.000 A lot of princes.

01:33:03.000 $1.4 trillion, and the king's only worth like $3 billion or $6 billion on paper?

01:33:09.000 I think the king can take the money from his family if he really wants to.

01:33:12.000 If I understand correctly, and I'm not an expert on Saudi Arabia, but if I understand correctly, he does have ultimate authority in Saudi Arabia.

01:33:20.000 If he says...

01:33:21.000 Put that man to death, that man gets their, you know, that happens. 0.80

01:33:25.000 If I understand, I could be wrong.

01:33:26.000 I don't know a lot about Saudi Arabia, but it's a place where, you know, if you cross the wrong person, you're going to have a bad time.

01:33:36.000 He killed the one thing they had going for them, which was no women driving. 1.00

01:33:42.000 But to that point, I do think this story...

01:33:46.000 It's interesting, much like you're focusing on the property protection angle.

01:33:50.000 I also think it's just in general, like the rule of law, the continued weaponization of the legal system.

01:33:56.000 And I think there's a strong parallel when a lot of people were fed up with what New York was doing to President Trump and people were kind of like, we're over it, we don't want to be here.

01:34:04.000 It's basically the same thing, which is the perversion of courts, whether it's against President Trump, against various companies.

01:34:12.000 And I think President Trump kind of like...

01:34:14.000 He stood up to it, right?

01:34:15.000 He represented, like, actually, you can push back.

01:34:18.000 You don't have to take it.

01:34:20.000 So it's from the tech bros, so I think you're usually a little weak.

01:34:25.000 It's nice to see them standing up, or at least trying to.

01:34:30.000 All right.

01:34:30.000 Well, we're going to go to Super Chats, I think.

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01:34:41.000 Schlip says, did you see that Mississippi federal court ruled the federal machine gun ban unconstitutional? 0.99

01:34:47.000 It is applied, so don't go to anything stupid yet.

01:34:51.000 Apparently, that is not only, that's not the first one, that's the second one, the second machine gun case that has been ruled unconstitutional under the Bruin finding. 0.96

01:35:05.000 It is definitely...

01:35:08.000 Going to be an issue if you think, oh, I'll just go ahead and I'll make my machine gun myself.

01:35:14.000 Like, that is going to be illegal.

01:35:15.000 You are going to get in trouble.

01:35:17.000 But these kind of precedents possibly could lead to the repeal of the Hughes Amendment from the Sportsman Protection Act of 1986, which Ronald Reagan so callously signed and took away our right to own new machine guns.

01:35:37.000 So yes, I did see it.

01:35:39.000 That's a great thing.

01:35:40.000 And hopefully they will rethink the prohibition on machine guns.

01:35:45.000 Because right now, you know, all over Chicago there are crazy criminals with Glocks that are fully automatic. 0.97

01:35:51.000 Just rip-roaring.

01:35:54.000 And I want a fully automatic Glock, but I can't have one.

01:35:57.000 Because I follow the law.

01:35:59.000 Which is what I have to do.

01:36:01.000 Anyways.

01:36:02.000 Shane H. Wilder says, Hey guys, can I get some prayers?

01:36:05.000 My priest passed away last week.

01:36:07.000 His vigil is tomorrow night, and funeral is Thursday.

01:36:10.000 Thank you all, and God bless.

01:36:12.000 I'm sorry to hear that, man.

01:36:13.000 If you are a praying kind of person, Shane H. Wilder is a regular viewer and very active in the Discord, and he actually is regularly popping into PCC. He's got a great X account, too.

01:36:30.000 Check him out.

01:36:30.000 Follow him.

01:36:31.000 Yeah, you should give him a follow, Shane H. Wilder, on X. If you've got some prayers, sure.

01:36:38.000 Notabot says, Have you guys looked into the Moss Landing fire?

01:36:43.000 Renewable Energy just had their Three Mile Island event.

01:36:45.000 I have not.

01:36:47.000 Does anyone know anything about that?

01:36:48.000 No, I haven't heard of that.

01:36:49.000 I have not.

01:36:50.000 I don't know anything about this at all.

01:36:52.000 So, yeah.

01:36:55.000 Unfortunately, we'll have to look into that.

01:37:00.000 Okay.

01:37:01.000 Milo Hoffman says, Nick Fuentes is more right every night than anyone on IRL has been all year.

01:37:09.000 Serge, I don't know why you do this.

01:37:11.000 Serge.

01:37:13.000 Here's the Moss Landing fire.

01:37:15.000 The Moss Landing Vistra power plant in Monterey County, California began on January 16th and burned for several days.

01:37:23.000 I don't know a lot about it.

01:37:29.000 Alex Van Roy said, Pam Bondi just got confirmed for U.S. Attorney General, LFG. Yes, and RFK got through his first round of confirmation, and so did Tulsi.

01:37:41.000 Yep.

01:37:44.000 Very good.

01:37:44.000 Promising.

01:37:45.000 Just Cause I'm Free says, remember, Trump is famous for the big ass before negotiations. 0.97

01:37:50.000 Next, there will be a peace deal between Palestine and Israel. 0.98

01:37:54.000 Ah, look, man.

01:37:56.000 I know that Trump is famous for the big ask, but I don't know that there's going to be a two-state solution.

01:38:04.000 I don't think the Palestinians want a two-state solution.

01:38:06.000 I don't think Israel wants a two-state solution.

01:38:09.000 I would like to be proven wrong.

01:38:11.000 Does anyone have some input on that one?

01:38:15.000 The old...

01:38:17.000 Palestinian government, before Hamas, wanted a two-state solution.

01:38:21.000 I think it was Yasser, was it Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian Liberation Organist PLO? Yeah.

01:38:26.000 And then they were kind of, then apparently, as the news dictates, the Israelis propped up Hamas to fight against the PLO, and then they created division within that entity that wanted the two-state solution, and then Hamas won out, and they no longer wanted a two-state solution, which played into the hands of the Israelis who also didn't want one, and now they're able to take it over.

01:38:48.000 That's the way that the pro-Palestine story goes.

01:38:52.000 Well, I think that Hamas, the sentiment that Hamas has about not wanting a two-state solution, I think that that is something that existed before Israel kind of fed the fire that was Hamas.

01:39:08.000 Yeah, I think so too.

01:39:10.000 They had...

01:39:11.000 There have been a lot of attempts to get the – to figure it out and whether it be the Camp David Accords or whether it be – I think it was the – I forget what it was in the 90s when President Clinton had multiple people.

01:39:28.000 I don't – I think it was Yasser Arafat but I'm not sure who was the Israeli prime minister at the time.

01:39:32.000 But there's been multiple attempts and something always falls through and then both sides point the finger at each other and say, it's your fault.

01:39:39.000 No, it's your fault.

01:39:41.000 But there are regularly factions on both sides that don't want a two-state solution, and they tend to mess it up for everybody.

01:39:50.000 So it's going to be a 51st state solution?

01:39:52.000 I don't think so.

01:39:54.000 It's such a gross thing to joke about.

01:39:55.000 I don't like joking about it.

01:39:58.000 Steve Houghton says, imagine being Puerto Rico, and Gaza becomes the 51st state. 0.60

01:40:03.000 Or D.C. D.C. definitely should not be a state.

01:40:08.000 Absolutely not.

01:40:09.000 As a D.C. resident, I confirm it should not.

01:40:12.000 The worst people live there.

01:40:14.000 It should not be.

01:40:17.000 Lurch685 says, how is giving Israel everything they want, new thinking, and not the status quo?

01:40:23.000 Well, I don't...

01:40:25.000 There's an angle that I'm seeing on X right now of Netanyahu listening to Trump say that he wants to own Gaza, and he doesn't really look happy.

01:40:35.000 People are saying that maybe Trump was negotiating in real time with the big-ass technique.

01:40:39.000 Live?

01:40:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:41.000 So I don't think that what Trump said is what they're asking for.

01:40:48.000 I think that maybe even Netanyahu was surprised by this.

01:40:50.000 And he did say something to the effect of...

01:40:52.000 He just said something bigger.

01:40:54.000 That's way bigger.

01:40:54.000 Yes, he did.

01:40:56.000 Yeah, I don't think Israel wants this.

01:40:58.000 I mean, I hope you're right, because I don't want it.

01:41:00.000 I don't want to see the U.S. getting involved in that.

01:41:05.000 I mean, it's bad enough that we're sending money to Israel for their war, especially when Israel can fund itself. 0.55

01:41:11.000 It doesn't need the United States to pay for its defense or whatever.

01:41:17.000 So I definitely don't want to see American... 1.00

01:41:23.000 Jeremy B. says, screw you, Daily Mail.

01:41:26.000 Natalie has the right to bear arms. 0.59

01:41:28.000 B-A-R-E. Yes. 0.97

01:41:31.000 You know what?

01:41:33.000 Kennedy, at least Hooters would hire me.

01:41:36.000 See, that's the thing that bums me out.

01:41:38.000 Kennedy is better than that.

01:41:41.000 I've had interactions with Kennedy. 0.96

01:41:43.000 It was disgusting. 0.97

01:41:45.000 It was really bad. 0.81

01:41:46.000 I was bummed.

01:41:49.000 First of all, that was like three days after the initial story had come out.

01:41:53.000 It had blown over.

01:41:54.000 Also, I'm sorry.

01:41:55.000 This news cycle is so intense.

01:41:56.000 There's so many things to cover.

01:41:58.000 And you're going to waste your weekly, bi-weekly, monthly op-ed in the Daily Mail to say that myself, for wearing a literal black sweater up to my neck with a white collar, like I looked very preppy, that I was dressing like...

01:42:17.000 A hostess at Hooters.

01:42:19.000 And then she refers to herself in the piece as a fellow, like, hot journalist.

01:42:25.000 And I swear to God, in the piece she's like, she's looking, trying to look like a Barbie on the White House lawn.

01:42:31.000 It's just really cringe.

01:42:34.000 But I also think more importantly, it's extremely disrespectful.

01:42:39.000 Not even to me, but to Caroline Levitt and to President Trump, who wanted to put independent media in the press briefing room.

01:42:46.000 And shame on the Daily Mail, shame on Kennedy for reorienting that news cycle away from what should have been.

01:42:53.000 How awesome is it that Bannon's war room is in the press briefing room? 0.97

01:42:57.000 And instead, like, oh, let's try to, you know, mock the, like, dumb bimbo 23-year-old, which I'm not. 1.00

01:43:03.000 I got there off of my intelligence. 0.90

01:43:05.000 I've broken more stories, I think, that the Daily Mail has credited and not credited before than Kennedy ever has.

01:43:10.000 And it's really disgusting.

01:43:13.000 And when they put that piece out, to be honest, at first I was kind of like...

01:43:16.000 Whatever.

01:43:17.000 It's funny.

01:43:18.000 But then I was like, this is some level of coordinated media where they want to make it very clear that we are not welcome in the press briefing room.

01:43:26.000 And it's just gross.

01:43:27.000 Or maybe it's just women being women. 1.00

01:43:30.000 Yeah, I was disappointed when I saw that it was Kennedy.

01:43:34.000 I actually commented and made a tweet about it.

01:43:37.000 And then I saw that it was Kennedy and I was like, "Ugh, this is a drag." So I actually deleted it.

01:43:41.000 - You took her side? - What?

01:43:43.000 No, I didn't take her side.

01:43:43.000 - You tried to defend me and then you deleted the tweet? - I did, I did.

01:43:46.000 Because I didn't want to, because like I said, I'm friendly with Kennedy.

01:43:50.000 And so I didn't, and I was a little on the harsh side.

01:43:53.000 So I was like, "Uh, you know, maybe I should just delete it." But I mean, I'm speaking about it right now that it was, you know, I'm on your side.

01:43:58.000 I think that I was really disappointed in Kennedy. - I think we need a culture war with you and Kennedy.

01:44:03.000 How hot is too hot?

01:44:05.000 Yeah, do it, dude, about what we wear.

01:44:07.000 I mean, Jon Fetterman wears sweatpants to work.

01:44:10.000 Not only that, but when it comes to...

01:44:12.000 If I were a dude and I had worn that exact outfit, or if I were obese, or if I were trans, there would have been...

01:44:17.000 Speaking of dudes... 0.81

01:44:18.000 Front page coverage on frickin' Vogue, Cosmopolitan, every women's magazine. 0.99

01:44:24.000 Her boobs out on the lawn. 0.97

01:44:27.000 And everyone was, you know, everyone on the left for sure. 0.80

01:44:31.000 And I don't know that Kennedy had said anything about it.

01:44:35.000 I don't know if she actually had written a piece about it.

01:44:37.000 But, I mean, look, it's, your outfit was, you know, completely, it was modest.

01:44:43.000 You had a skirt on, but you had a, you know, turtleneck and everything.

01:44:48.000 Well, I also just refuse to bend the knee to the idea, like, I love that politics is a very masculine sphere.

01:44:55.000 It should be.

01:44:56.000 I don't want it to become like feminized. 0.97

01:44:59.000 But that doesn't mean that I have to dress like a man or wear a pantsuit or like not be feminine.

01:45:05.000 Like one of the ways that I feel like I have preserved my femininity in a rather masculine space, which I don't say that in a negative way, is wearing...

01:45:14.000 And I'm not going to wear, like, frumpy pantsuits like most of Washington, D.C., like most of the people in that press briefing room.

01:45:22.000 And that's just where I don't understand, like, the push.

01:45:26.000 I'm like, so you guys would have been happy?

01:45:28.000 Like, what would have made it okay if I were wearing an ugly, ill-fitting outfit?

01:45:33.000 No.

01:45:34.000 Like Tucker Carlson says, I'm not saying, like, I'm beautiful, but I'm saying beauty matters.

01:45:38.000 Aesthetics matter, right?

01:45:40.000 And I'm not going to show up looking ugly because...

01:45:44.000 Some older women can't handle it. 1.00

01:45:47.000 And that's something that we've said on this show and also on PCC when I go on.

01:45:51.000 It's like we need to lift up aesthetic things.

01:45:57.000 Lift up.

01:45:58.000 I think that kind of stuff is...

01:46:24.000 It's not offensive in a way where I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe they did this.

01:46:29.000 It's just like, look, this is not attractive.

01:46:32.000 No one thinks it's attractive.

01:46:33.000 To be honest with you, if you're looking to sell a product, why would you want to put your product on a person that is repulsive?

01:46:43.000 So I think that we should uplift people that are attractive or try to look your best at something.

01:46:50.000 I'm not out of shape when I get on stage for the band and stuff like that.

01:46:54.000 I want to be in good shape.

01:46:56.000 I want to look aspirational.

01:46:58.000 I want people to be like, yeah, that guy's...

01:46:59.000 But do you know what the Daily Mail had to do?

01:47:02.000 Because I obviously didn't just sit back and take it.

01:47:05.000 I, let's say, had some choice words.

01:47:08.000 But they had to take the author's name off the piece because she was getting so much pushback.

01:47:15.000 So I think Daily Mail, zero.

01:47:19.000 Natalie Winters, one.

01:47:21.000 Or two, I guess, because the Kennedy piece, she gets ratioed all the time. 1.00

01:47:25.000 Apparently.

01:47:26.000 Why don't you guys write another article?

01:47:27.000 We'll see how that goes.

01:47:30.000 Raymond G. Stanley says, Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, shout out Chris Carr.

01:47:34.000 Good to see you on, sir.

01:47:35.000 Thank you for that.

01:47:36.000 Welcome back.

01:47:37.000 Good to be back.

01:47:38.000 Let's see what else we got.

01:47:41.000 The, let's see, A. Jones says, DJT nominated Neil Jacobs as head of NOAA. He was the Sharpiegate, Sharpiegate?

01:47:52.000 Is that it?

01:47:52.000 Sharpiegate guy who stayed neutral, but the media crucified him for not trashing Donald J. Trump, and he got removed as acting head of NOAA in 2020. Another F.U. to the media win for Noah.

01:48:04.000 I'm not familiar with this particular issue, but...

01:48:09.000 But hey, if it's trashing the mainstream media, then I'm all for it.

01:48:15.000 Bridget May Alassar says, I'm going back to the CPI with my mother-in-law who had a heart attack and stroke last week.

01:48:23.000 Only about 10% function.

01:48:25.000 We paid mine, but struggling to come up with hers.

01:48:28.000 Please share her GoFundMe.

01:48:30.000 Heal Nurse Karen's heart.

01:48:32.000 Thanks.

01:48:32.000 So it's a GoFundMe.

01:48:33.000 Heal Nurse Karen's heart if you can make a donation or give a little bit.

01:48:38.000 Go ahead and please give if you can.

01:48:44.000 Let's see.

01:48:47.000 TheRealDougLane says, Would love to see y'all interview Chris Hagney from the Innocent Lives Foundation.

01:48:55.000 Badass computer nerds identifying anonymous child as SA Predators Online.

01:49:03.000 True superheroes.

01:49:04.000 That is a really, really good thing.

01:49:07.000 Some of your comments are self-searched.

01:49:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:11.000 I can see them.

01:49:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:12.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:49:14.000 I'll go home after work and read them sometimes and just laugh my ass off.

01:49:18.000 It's a great chat.

01:49:19.000 You have a great audience.

01:49:22.000 Isaac Vanderbilt says, personally, I support whatever Trump does.

01:49:25.000 Good to hear.

01:49:26.000 She's like, whatever, man.

01:49:28.000 I'm on it.

01:49:31.000 Hardcase says, Phil, that new album slaps harder than Uncle Daddy on Whiskey Night.

01:49:36.000 Tim, look into Indiana if y'all leave West Virginia.

01:49:39.000 Thank you very much, Hardcase.

01:49:41.000 I appreciate that.

01:49:44.000 The Malkor? 0.98

01:49:47.000 Is that it?

01:49:47.000 The Malkor says, Hi, Phil.

01:49:48.000 Can you shout out my GoFundMe?

01:49:50.000 Help Joshua get back on the road.

01:49:53.000 Could you so much help?

01:49:54.000 Thank you.

01:49:54.000 So I'm not sure what it is, but if you want to go check it out, the Malkor's GoFundMe is Help Joshua Get Back on the Road.

01:50:02.000 You could have given a little more info to people.

01:50:05.000 The Malkor. 0.98

01:50:07.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 Hops and brews.

01:50:10.000 Ian first controls the weather, now the president.

01:50:13.000 All connected.

01:50:15.000 It's frightening.

01:50:16.000 You're attached to a web of subatomic consciousness.

01:50:20.000 Just tugging on it.

01:50:21.000 The more honest you are, the more aligned you become, the more stuck to the web of reality you become, so your movements affect everybody a little more tightly.

01:50:30.000 Jimmy says, Constitutionally, the president runs the executive branch, but for the last 50 years, the bureaucrats have been running it illegally for the globalists.

01:50:38.000 And, you know, there's a lot of truth to that comment.

01:50:43.000 The idea that the government...

01:50:45.000 Or that the president should be able to just say, no, we're going to fire this person, we're going to hire this person.

01:50:51.000 That's what people assume goes on, but when it comes to unions and all of the hoops that the executive has to jump through just to fire someone, I mean, it's hard to say that the will of the people is being carried out when there are multiple organizations and lawyers and unions that are going to do everything they can to stymie.

01:51:14.000 That will, when it's executed by the president.

01:51:18.000 I mean, the whole point of the president saying, I need to be able to hire and fire people, is he needs people that are going to carry out the policies that the people voted for.

01:51:29.000 I remember before the election, they were discussing firing all the bureaucrats.

01:51:34.000 He can't, he doesn't have the legal authority to do it.

01:51:37.000 Vivek came in and was like, actually, what he can do is...

01:51:41.000 And certain departments, and then all those people lose their job.

01:51:44.000 He can't go in and individually fire one guy after another.

01:51:47.000 I don't know how much, where that starts and where that stops, and if he overstepped.

01:51:52.000 I don't know.

01:51:53.000 I do think that he should be able to, though.

01:51:55.000 I mean, he is the executive.

01:51:57.000 He's the guy, and he's the representative of the people.

01:52:02.000 The bureaucrats aren't voted on.

01:52:03.000 You know, the president can hire, you know, he hires his cabinet.

01:52:10.000 But beyond that, the bureaucrats that were there oftentimes stay, and if you can't get rid of the people, if the president can't fire them or the heads of the cabinet can't fire them, then it ends up being a situation where it's just the same people, and maybe they'll do some changes that the president wants, but the big policies kind of remain the same, and you've seen that.

01:52:34.000 I mean, just like this whole USAID thing.

01:52:37.000 USAID's been around since Kennedy.

01:52:39.000 And it's been doing, first it was, you know, ostensibly it existed to help fight communism, which I think is a worthy policy, but once the Soviet Union fell, then, you know, there was no real use for it, and it became corrupted.

01:52:57.000 And it's also quite sinister, too, the concept of, like, burrowing in, so at the tail end of...

01:53:04.000 The Biden regime, the Obama regime, like a lot of the political staffers, even I forget most recently, but someone who's very high up, like very deep state, they try to become in the final few weeks or whatever, make the transition from political appointee to career civil servant.

01:53:20.000 So it's not just that you have like the...

01:53:22.000 Evil, awful, horrible civil servants, but then you have a lot of the worst of the worst politicals who merge into that.

01:53:29.000 But obviously they're scared of Schedule F. Well, Schedule F is sort of what Vivek was talking about, but there's other ways to go about doing it.

01:53:37.000 That's the tip of the iceberg.

01:53:40.000 But I think if you really drill down on why they're so opposed to the idea of Project 2025, it was basically...

01:53:49.000 Giving President Trump authority over all aspects of the government, which they didn't have an issue right when Joe Biden did it or firing people off of vaccine mandates, right?

01:53:59.000 But the crux of Project 2025 really was in the Schedule F. People who would come up with the Schedule F executive order were basically all at the PPO office the first time around who then sort of ended up at Heritage working on Project 2025. So that was like the ideological bedrock that I think sort of...

01:54:20.000 The bigger narrative, which sort of goes back to what we were talking about, the unitary executive theory, but just talking about how President Trump is the chief magistrate, not just over DOJ, but over hiring people.

01:54:32.000 And frankly, I think it's even funny, too, like the framing of it, that President Trump putting in appointees who are...

01:54:39.000 I would argue loyal to the United States as opposed to loyal to him, that that's somehow like his cardinal sin, appointing loyalists, right?

01:54:47.000 Like they say the L word, like it's a bad word.

01:54:50.000 And it's like, well, no, I reject that framing just like in the same way it's not a trade war.

01:54:54.000 It's not President Trump's trade war.

01:54:55.000 China's been attacking us.

01:54:57.000 We're not nativists for wanting immigration restrictions.

01:54:59.000 Like they put the onus on us.

01:55:00.000 They're victim blaming.

01:55:02.000 There's nothing wrong with wanting.

01:55:04.000 To hire people who are, I guess I would prefer loyalty to the United States as opposed to like the deep state.

01:55:09.000 It's like what Bill Kristol tweeted, right?

01:55:11.000 He was like, well, I much prefer the deep state to the Trump state.

01:55:14.000 Like that tweet is so telling in so many ways.

01:55:17.000 You can have like loyal people that are very good and you can have loyal people that are very evil.

01:55:23.000 And you could have like people that aren't loyal that serve the Constitution over the man that are very good and also people like that that are very evil.

01:55:31.000 So it's, you know, you just...

01:55:33.000 As long as the people that are loyal are also good people doing the right thing, you know, I think that's all that really matters.

01:55:41.000 Humble Beginning says, remember when Trump said he wanted to take back the Panama Canal, then sent Rubio over to make a deal?

01:55:48.000 Has anyone been watching Trump for 10 years?

01:55:51.000 Thank you, Natalie, for common sense.

01:55:52.000 Of course, Dems are going to fearmonger.

01:55:55.000 I gotta say this about Marco Rubio.

01:55:56.000 I was a little reticent about him because I've been watching the guy for 15...

01:56:01.000 And I thought he was like a deep state, just lifelong bureaucrat.

01:56:05.000 And I now...

01:56:07.000 Elected.

01:56:07.000 What's that?

01:56:08.000 He's a senator, obviously.

01:56:09.000 He's a senator.

01:56:10.000 I just thought he was like a big business, kowtow to the business in 2012, you know, in 2016. Open borders amnesty.

01:56:17.000 What's that?

01:56:18.000 Open borders shill.

01:56:19.000 Yeah, like strong on amnesty.

01:56:21.000 But I gotta say, this guy's an expert diplomat.

01:56:24.000 Maybe a master diplomat, and his fluency in Spanish is key right now, with the negotiations in Central and South America being right at the front of the table.

01:56:33.000 That is so great that we have such a good negotiator, a masterful diplomat as our Secretary of State.

01:56:39.000 So I really like the work he's done with Panama, with Mexico.

01:56:43.000 I don't know if he was the one that negotiated with the Mexican president to get to 10,000 troops on the board.

01:56:47.000 I think Trump did that directly.

01:56:48.000 But Rubio's, dude, Rubio's lit.

01:56:50.000 In that position.

01:56:51.000 Like that was a key position to put him in.

01:56:53.000 So like if he was in a different position, it might not be as effective.

01:56:56.000 But I mean he speaks Spanish and he hates communism.

01:56:59.000 So for that role, it's kind of ideal.

01:57:01.000 Son of Cubans. 0.97

01:57:02.000 Great.

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:03.000 I mean the fact that he's son of Cubans probably has a lot to do with why he hates communists.

01:57:07.000 Of course.

01:57:09.000 that kind of attitude and that kind of, you know, The understanding of the left is, in my opinion, there's immense value in it, and he was definitely a great pick for Secretary of State.

01:57:24.000 And I secretly want to think that his hatred for communism drove him to be really good friends with the fascist Bukele in El Salvador. 0.95

01:57:31.000 Yeah, we didn't mention it.

01:57:32.000 They negotiated El Salvador taking a bunch of prisoners.

01:57:35.000 We're basically going to pay them to take a bunch of prisoners into their super mega prison that they got down there.

01:57:40.000 And we're going to help them with nuclear development.

01:57:43.000 In exchange.

01:57:44.000 And on top of fees.

01:57:45.000 Small fees for the prisoners.

01:57:47.000 Great.

01:57:48.000 It's beautiful. 0.98

01:57:48.000 Send them to the worst prison in the world. 0.98

01:57:51.000 Mr. Dinder says, My wife just gave birthright to our...

01:57:55.000 What was this?

01:57:56.000 Birthright to our thirdest child, James, this afternoon?

01:58:02.000 That's one heck of a...

01:58:03.000 He's overjoyed.

01:58:03.000 That's one heck of a comment.

01:58:06.000 He's going to need one of them Ian Roberto Jr. screams, please.

01:58:13.000 That was one for you, baby.

01:58:15.000 My love to James.

01:58:19.000 Let's see.

01:58:20.000 He really screamed like that, that chicken.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, I believe you.

01:58:23.000 It was crazy the way he screamed.

01:58:24.000 Did it die?

01:58:25.000 It died, yeah.

01:58:26.000 Sad to see him go.

01:58:28.000 Unfortunately.

01:58:28.000 Kind of.

01:58:30.000 Chickens sometimes just do that, though. 0.81

01:58:32.000 Was he killed or did he die?

01:58:34.000 Did he just die?

01:58:35.000 No, he went into shock or something.

01:58:37.000 Yeah.

01:58:38.000 Just an illegal immigrant? 0.93

01:58:40.000 Yeah.

01:58:43.000 James Cotard Artist said, Natalie dropped the word Chiron tonight.

01:58:46.000 A subtle reference to the classic ATR track off of Overcome.

01:58:50.000 Well played, Phil.

01:58:51.000 Well played.

01:58:52.000 You know, we actually didn't plan that.

01:58:54.000 And to be honest with you, when she said Chiron, she wasn't referring to the same Chiron that I was referring to when I named the song.

01:59:00.000 What's the difference?

01:59:01.000 Well, Chiron is the thing at the bottom of the...

01:59:04.000 What did I say?

01:59:05.000 Pardon me?

01:59:05.000 Yeah, Chiron, like on the bottom of the TV screen.

01:59:08.000 So Chiron was Achilles' teacher.

01:59:12.000 Oh, okay.

01:59:12.000 Oh, the Greek?

01:59:13.000 Yeah.

01:59:14.000 I wrote a song called Chiron because it was about the people that have taught me and influenced me in my life.

01:59:19.000 Nice.

01:59:20.000 Yeah, so she was talking about a different Chiron than I was talking about.

01:59:23.000 But it's the same pronunciation.

01:59:25.000 ADD Hoarding Procrastinator says, Continuity of government is no excuse for the continuity of corruption.

01:59:32.000 Absolutely.

01:59:32.000 I love to hear that.

01:59:34.000 So, uh, smash the like button, share the show with your friends, go to timcast.com and become a member.

01:59:40.000 Uh, Natalie, thank you for joining us.

01:59:42.000 Do you have anything that you want to shout out?

01:59:44.000 Thank you so much for having me.

01:59:45.000 You can follow me on Instagram, Twitter, all the things, even though I'm a Luddite, at Natalie G. Winters.

01:59:53.000 For outfit pics that go viral.

01:59:56.000 Perfect.

01:59:56.000 Also, The War Room.

01:59:57.000 I don't know.

01:59:58.000 People probably already know.

01:59:59.000 You can always watch The War Room.

02:00:01.000 Thanks for coming, Natalie.

02:00:02.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:00:03.000 Everyone, thanks for coming.

02:00:04.000 Thanks for being here.

02:00:05.000 Thanks for being a part of it.

02:00:05.000 Follow me at IanCrossland all over the internet.

02:00:08.000 I went really crazy on journalism over the weekend, really documenting a lot of these moves that are happening on Twitter.

02:00:14.000 So follow my X account for that.

02:00:16.000 A lot goes on on the weekends.

02:00:18.000 Elon does work the weekends where a lot of his...

02:00:21.000 The opposing team goes home for the week, according to him.

02:00:24.000 Goes home for the weekend.

02:00:25.000 So he's got two free days to get work done.

02:00:27.000 Mondays are very active.

02:00:30.000 All right, Chris Carr, talk me out, baby.

02:00:31.000 Chris Carr, 17 on X. Come check out the feed.

02:00:35.000 I am Phil that remains on Twix.

02:00:37.000 I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram.

02:00:38.000 The band is all that remains.

02:00:39.000 Our new record, Anti-Fragile, is available right now.

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