00:02:26.000Donald Trump reportedly hid in a catering truck to transport off of Air Force One onto an older plane because there was a fear the Iranians were trying to assassinate him.
00:02:37.000The weird thing is, when they landed in the UK, no one knows how Trump got from the other plane to the main plane.
00:02:44.000So the question is, did he actually ever get off that plane and hide in this catering truck?
00:02:48.000Or, dare I say, is the whole story faked by the Trump administration to try and see who would leak the nonsense?
00:03:00.000And a lot of people think a lot of the weird stories that come out are Donald Trump making, or his administration at least, trying to figure out who is leaking by what's called coloring the water.
00:03:09.000Imagine you have three glasses on your table and there is a pool of water under all of them.
00:03:14.000You don't know which one is leaking the water.
00:03:15.000So, what you do is you put red in one, green in one, blue in the other.
00:03:20.000Whichever color the water turns on the table, you know where your leak is at.
00:03:23.000So, the Trump admin leaks select stories to various people, see which one hits the press, and then they know who's spilling the beans.
00:03:47.000Now, a bunch of women and their husbands are calling for Fauci to be prosecuted to go to prison because they had miscarriages during COVID.
00:03:57.000Some individuals said, even a few days after the first booster, they lost their child.
00:04:01.000And they believe that if Fauci had told them, Publicly, what they knew, maybe their children would have survived.
00:04:07.000And then, of course, Royce White has gotten his first wig as he announced he is intending, he wants to play in the WNBA and that he is transgender.
00:04:17.000And now we're going to sit back and wait for the WNBA, which is based in New York City, to figure out what a woman is because they actually have called an emergency meeting to figure out what a woman is because they don't know.
00:04:28.000That being said, they're based in New York, so they will be subject to New York human rights law, which means we kind of know where this one's going to go.
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00:06:43.000Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else, we have Rafael Mangual.
00:06:51.000I am a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, which is a public policy think tank, which should Basically, means that I write about stuff.
00:06:57.000My particular area of expertise is crime, policing, public safety, criminal justice.
00:07:01.000So, I have spent the last 10 years talking about why Woke One was crazy for policing, the defund period, all of that nonsense.
00:07:09.000But they're still advocating for all of those things.
00:07:15.000AOC is like, yeah, Woke One was crazy, and we're still calling for it.
00:07:18.000I mean, I don't think that they can actually admit that everything that they did in the last 10 years was complete nonsense because they lose all credibility.
00:08:39.000So perhaps Trump never actually left Air Force One, but this story was planted to see who in the administration was leaking details of their security.
00:08:50.000Because you got to understand, if Trump told someone in the admin, they're going to try to kill me, so we are going to do a surreptitious plane swap, and then a month later that person reveals that plan to the press, you'd have to imagine Trump would be very, very angry about that because it compromises his life, his security.
00:09:10.000I don't think Trump ever left the plane.
00:09:12.000I think this story is stupid and crazy.
00:09:15.000And the reason it's getting a bunch of traction, you know, with people sharing pictures of Trump, you know, hiding in a catering truck, is exactly the point.
00:09:22.000You make a story that sounds shocking or worth reporting, and then you see who's willing to leak it to the press, and then you know.
00:09:34.000Secret Service doesn't share details of the president's security protocol.
00:09:39.000When I was in the Bush administration years and years ago, I was.
00:09:42.000Advance for a couple of events, and you have the little Secret Service earpiece and you know, read in one percent, one thousandth of a percent of what they know, but you knew enough in the training that you don't share the things that are happening.
00:09:55.000So, there's I agree with you, there's no way in hell the Secret Service is going to willingly say, Oh, the president was in danger, so these are all the things we did to mitigate that danger.
00:10:03.000The only way though to explain how he got from plane A to plane B, if that is the case and no one knows how he did it, I mean, I have seen David Copperfield in like a glass case dangling above the stage, and then a minute later he's like sitting next to Carter.
00:10:17.000And so there are magic tricks that I don't know how they do.
00:10:20.000Have you ever seen the movie, what is it?
00:10:56.000If it's true, I mean, if it is the case that he actually was targeted and they had reliable information, the implication is that it's like a nation state actor because they're talking about getting him off the plane because of anti air stuff, right?
00:11:12.000It's not just a situation of, oh, there's a security situation.
00:11:17.000It's, you know, there's some possibility, no matter how small, that the flight plan of Air Force One was leaked and that.
00:11:27.000A nation state was with again anti air capabilities was looking to target him, but you would think that they would have some kind of like plan for that, right?
00:11:36.000I mean, that's yeah, get him off the plane, but you know, beyond that, where they could still fly him, and actually, you know, it's not like they told everyone else to get off the plane.
00:11:43.000I imagine that there were enough important people there that if that plane went down, it would have been a disaster, right?
00:11:48.000Like that plane's flying with it, you know, F 35s beside it, right?
00:11:52.000Like there's got to be some kind of contingency for that.
00:11:55.000My hunch is right now, the White House, Susie Wilde, someone is.
00:12:00.000Saying, all right, well, here's the story we concocted, and we know we leaked it to Tim, and suddenly we see it all over the news.
00:12:06.000And now they're going to call Tim to the office and be like, listen, brother, so here's the deal, and now this is what you're going to do for us.
00:12:14.000This is what you are going to do for us for the next two years.
00:12:16.000It's not just about the leakers in the administration.
00:12:18.000I'm pretty sure that people have tried leaking stories to me to get me to report things that were ridiculous to see if I would take something salacious.
00:12:27.000I mean, because they're obviously we're in the bout, we need a lot of people, and I've had people come to me be like, hey, I got a big story, and this is this thing, and I'm like, that sounds ridiculous.
00:12:46.000Because if someone's leaking, what if some of the, you know, like, what if, will Tim Poole go on his show and make and say some crazy story about Trump citing this leaker?
00:12:54.000And then, like, if I can't verify it, ban a single source, I don't go anywhere near it.
00:12:57.000Well, sad source, though, for the Trump administration since 2015 is they don't need to have verified sources.
00:13:03.000You just say, you know, someone told me that he got a bed with a bunch of Russian hookers who peed on it.
00:13:08.000And they're like, oh my God, that's the story.
00:13:10.000You don't have to verify things when it comes to President Trump.
00:13:36.000And the woman who's suing him for defamation.
00:13:40.000You know, and you still have Democrats say, like, you know, Trump, you know, raped, we have to use the proper language, like this woman.
00:13:46.000And it's like, no, she's suing him because she couldn't prove it because she said, like, this was Neiman Marcus at Tuesday at four o'clock.
00:13:54.000Like, surprisingly, no one has witnessed this.
00:16:08.000I mean, the, again, the American people are so untrusting of official narratives, of, you know, the establishment, institutions in general.
00:16:22.000The idea that you are going to be punished for saying fake news nowadays, not anymore.
00:16:29.000There are people out there that, you know, particularly.
00:16:34.000You know, people that are extremely online, like, just if you're repeating something that lines up with an official narrative, they just disregard not just what you're saying, but you at all.
00:16:46.000I mean, if I, like, especially in a law enforcement context, if I'm talking about a case and I, like, say anything that even remotely resembles what the official narrative is, it's like, oh, you must be getting paid by the end of the year.
00:16:57.000Or, like, it's like, guys, like, it's possible to just, like, agree sometimes with the official narrative that everybody's.
00:17:04.000Who runs a national journalism center?
00:17:07.000So he teaches young people to be journalists.
00:17:10.000But I remember him saying, as a trained journalist himself, he said one of the downfalls that he saw of media in recent years was do you remember Anonymous, the source Anonymous?
00:17:22.000And he said, when the New York Times was running this, saying it was the most senior official, and everyone was going bonkers.
00:17:28.000Anonymous is saying all these things, the whole letter in the New York Times.
00:17:32.000And then it turns out it was like this kind of low level junior staffer.
00:17:36.000And he was like, that the New York Times lied to us that blatantly and said, This is a high ranking Trump official.
00:17:42.000He was like, For me, that was the end of trusting the Times.
00:17:45.000Like, their editorial staff has to have looked at that and be like, Well, think, and let's just lie and say it's high ranking.
00:17:51.000Think about this I could, or not even any, but any journalist could say, I have a source in the government that has revealed to me, insert negative story about Trump, and sue me.
00:18:04.000Because when you do, I'll say, I won't give up my sources.
00:18:07.000And they'll say, We're going to hold you in contempt.
00:18:08.000Then so be it, because I will never reveal my source.
00:18:15.000One of my favorite sourcing techniques is you'll hear a story and it'll say, like, a source close to Nancy Pelosi's office reveals that Donald Trump was seen kicking puppies.
00:18:25.000And the source close to her office is the homeless guy in the alley who is physically close to her office.
00:19:47.000So they tried to get off my plane and then he kicks the guy up.
00:19:49.000And again, if you're, you know, we're.
00:19:51.000If we're going to, you know, do the dangerous work of believing the official story, this isn't the first time that, you know, since the Iran war started, actually, maybe even prior, but Trump has alleged to have been targeted by Iran before.
00:20:06.000So I, and look, whether or not you believe the official story, it's completely within reason to think that Iran is looking to do this.
00:20:16.000Look at how many of the leadership of Iran, the United States has, has, You know, managed to take out in multiple different ways, whether it be, you know, the big strikes that the two, well, since February 28th or last year, or when they got the leader of the IRGC when he was in Iraq, when they shot the Ginsu Hellfire at him, you know, the one that doesn't have any explosives that just shoots knives out the side, which I mean,
00:20:46.000I'm surprised as hell that that exists.
00:20:48.000But at the same time, it's like if you're looking to reduce collateral damage, if you're not looking to blow things up and you want to have, you want to be able to just target the one person.
00:20:58.000That is, as far as war goes, that's probably the most responsible way the United States has ever dropped a bomb in its history, right?
00:21:11.000And they have secretly moved the president before, right?
00:21:14.000Remember when Bush went to Iraq during the war, I think for Thanksgiving?
00:21:19.000And afterwards, they said how clandestine operation he did fly on an Air Force fighter jet, road shotgun, basically, and obviously dark of cover.
00:21:30.000But they told all those details after the fact when the president was back on the White House.
00:22:06.000There's something un American about it where you're reporting on the tactics that we use to maintain national security to keep the president safe, right?
00:22:13.000It's like, even if you thought it was a good story, I don't know.
00:22:15.000There's like, isn't there something that suggests that you should just keep it to yourself for America's sake?
00:22:29.000They don't have to reveal all the information.
00:22:31.000But like, seriously, I could see the New York Times running a story like that, just talking about like, oh, we discovered this like vulnerability and then.
00:22:37.000The Secret Service learning about that in the New York Times as opposed to.
00:23:17.000So, a national emergency requires two thirds of the House and the Senate to override, which means that if within a month of the election, Trump declares a national emergency on elections, requiring voter ID and all of these things, they would not be able to muster up the political capital to actually stop Trump from doing it.
00:23:33.000Trump said, let me just say, stranger things have happened.
00:23:35.000Now, my response is that Trump doesn't need to do this because the DSA is burning down the Democrats four to one.
00:23:42.000It's something like when polled, the unfavorability of the DSA for independence is like 71 to 75%.
00:23:52.000When asked who they'd rather vote for, they lean Republican over DSA.
00:23:57.000So, Zoran Mandani recently lost his Peter Teer thing.
00:24:00.000The judge shot a Democrat judge, he was like, You can't do this.
00:24:36.000So the point is, maybe Trump does want to just suspend, you know, like by national emergency, some of these, you know, or I don't know, suspend is not the right word, but.
00:24:52.000If he made an executive order under a national emergency saying that you must produce an ID that proves that you're an American citizen, I would have zero problem with it.
00:25:05.000And I think he would get away with it because 80% of Americans believe that the SAVE Act should be passed.
00:25:11.000I think that it would be, I think that most Americans, the people that don't like Trump, they would obviously not like it because they don't like Trump.
00:25:17.000But Overall, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think that there would be significant political repercussions because most Americans say we want the SAVE Act passed.
00:25:28.000The House has already passed the SAVE Act.
00:25:34.000The thing that's holding it up is the Senate.
00:25:36.000And I think that he would be able to get away with it.
00:25:38.000He would catch hell, definitely, but he would be able to get away with it.
00:25:42.000The White House updated their election integrity page earlier today when I was working on my morning show covering this issue particularly.
00:25:53.000It does look like there's a possibility that with Trump's address and all of these issues, the White House is laying the groundwork to be able to declare a national emergency, saying, look at the evidence we have of non citizen voters, non citizens on state voter rolls, the Oxford comma documents, America up a data breach, March toll, DOJ and DHS election enforcement actions.
00:26:16.000When you look at this map they have of all the enforcement actions they've done, it looks like he might say, we have.
00:26:24.000You know, 47 lawsuits right now over all of these issues that have not been resolved.
00:26:56.000The 400,000 people who probably voted for you to make up the Delta.
00:27:01.000So, when you compare the ones who are most vociferous to their level of margin of victory proportional to their state's electoral fraud, it's like, well, of course you don't want this because this is how you plan on winning.
00:27:12.000I think the general public, like you said, is going to be okay with the idea of requiring this.
00:27:17.000I just don't trust the media to sort of allow him to maintain control over the narrative.
00:27:22.000I think within 24 hours, people are going to be painting this as him suspending elections, as him taking things over, and people are going to lose.
00:27:30.000They're not going to vote for him anyway.
00:28:03.000But I also think like there's a major political risk here if he does this.
00:28:06.000I've said, I've been asserting that we need Donald Trump to be more like Lincoln to do the things necessary to make sure that he basically we save America.
00:28:21.000I'll tell you why I'm laughing when you're done.
00:28:24.000You know, it's like the DSA and the far left of the Democrat Party, they want to do things that are Actually, prohibited by the Constitution.
00:28:36.000They want to get rid of the Senate, which you can't do.
00:28:38.000That's the one thing, and I keep repeating this on the show, but there's only one thing that you can't do via amendment, and that's get rid of the Senate.
00:28:46.000That's take away the votes of the senators of the several states.
00:29:17.000Much more the way European parliamentaries work, that the Supreme Court is a branch of the.
00:29:23.000It's like the Judiciary Committee of the parliament.
00:29:25.000But the point, I guess, that I'm making here is these people are a threat to the actual republic.
00:29:35.000Okay, they're not just looking to make changes around the edges.
00:29:38.000They don't just want health care for everybody.
00:29:42.000They specifically say in their literature to DSA members to misrepresent, to lie about what their policies are when you're actually out on the stump talking to voters.
00:29:52.000They are doing, they will do everything they can to take away the republic that we have and totally destroy it.
00:30:01.000So we need someone like Lincoln who's willing to do what's necessary to protect the United States of America from what would amount to authoritarians.
00:30:13.000Liberals, liberalism doesn't have a means to defeat authoritarians, but they're getting flattened.
00:30:46.000So they're trying to get away from this branding.
00:30:48.000The question is going into the midterms now, will this have enough of an impact to prevent Democrats from winning?
00:30:55.000Will the Democrats themselves, who are dumping millions of dollars to stop the DSA, succeed in pushing them back?
00:31:01.000And more importantly, in 2028, are we going to see with this new Tucker third party and again, the Democrats, the moderate Democrats, are launching massive multi million dollar efforts to stop the DSA?
00:31:12.000They don't have that money either, which is the remarkable thing.
00:32:44.000You have to go after the millionaires.
00:32:46.000And then you have to go after the hundred millionaires.
00:32:50.000So maybe there's a couple more thousand of those.
00:32:52.000But it doesn't, like the math doesn't work out.
00:32:58.000And what you end up doing is you take the property from the people that provide jobs to the middle class.
00:33:05.000And you will destroy the economy and destroy the country when you turn the people that are envious, angry, when you turn those people against the wealthy, the rich people that are the actual people that create the jobs, you will destroy the country that way.
00:33:36.000Biggest problem is that they don't have any real principles that they're defending here, right?
00:33:39.000They have spent the last generation or two essentially just chasing power for its own sake, which means that they don't have a coherent response to the DSA, which actually does have a mission statement that people are sort of getting behind.
00:33:54.000They're building community around these things, right?
00:33:56.000Even if they haven't thought about the ideas themselves, there's like this sort of communitarian aspect where it's almost like a club of membership and it's fun and people are making friends and dating.
00:34:06.000And what's the Democratic Party's answer to that?
00:35:33.000They are going to be the future of the Democrat Party unless there's some significant changes to the way that the economics of this country have played out.
00:36:07.000I mean, as much as that's a silly thing to talk about, and it was fun to make jokes about, it is legitimate.
00:36:13.000Now, look, the American people are more wealthy than.
00:36:17.000Any other country, the people in all, like the people in the poorest state in the United States, in Mississippi, still make more money per capita than the average person in the UK, right?
00:36:29.000So the average poor person in America is wealthier than the average person in the UK.
00:36:35.000Not the average poor person, but the average person in the UK.
00:36:39.000So, like, this stuff is like you, but you can't make the argument to someone that feels like they're hurting.
00:37:36.000Bernie twice was going to be the DSA candidate, and twice the establishment effed him because they were like, We are not letting Bernie because he won't win nationally.
00:37:45.000So now it's we have DSA on the rise now, 2027, 2028.
00:37:50.000Now we get to the nominating convention.
00:37:52.000Are the super delegates once again going to swoop in and be like, It is not AOC, it is Gavin Newsom because we have changed the rules?
00:38:00.000Like the party establishment could be the final death knell for the DSA.
00:38:03.000It's good that, well, I don't, I, I don't think that that'll happen in the short term.
00:38:07.000Like maybe it will in the next election, but in the following presidential election, the Democrat, the DSA will have the mojo by then because they're having enough wins at a local level where people are looking and saying, maybe these DSA guys are onto something, first of all.
00:38:23.000But you bring up Bernie Sanders, and that's a great segue to this.
00:38:27.000Like you look at the way that Bernie Sanders folded when those two women got on stage and were yelling at him and took the mic from him.
00:38:47.000They don't have the courage to stand up and say, no, you're not going to, because all of the stuff, the intestinal fortitude that it takes to do that, toxic masculinity, or you're a white supremacist, they'll throw all the names at him, and then the response is going to be like, oh.
00:39:06.000Which is why the Trump line against Hillary when he takes the mic and goes, you'll be in jail.
00:39:10.000That's why that was such an iconic moment, because it was like, Wait, we don't say those things.
00:39:14.000Like, they're allowed to call us Nazis and racists, and you just have to stand there and listen to it.
00:39:31.000It's also why abolishing the electoral college is so important because the electoral college will protect the nation from, but not if it's gone, right?
00:39:38.000If it's just a popular vote, then the electoral college is one more check.
00:39:43.000Shows you the genius of our founders, right?
00:39:44.000Who thought, like, We could have some crazy thing.
00:39:47.000We could have a monarchist populist movement, and we don't want that.
00:40:05.000The thing that bothers me about the push to abolish everything is the hubris that undergirds it.
00:40:10.000The DSA types think that they are the smartest people in the world, insofar as they believe they've actually discovered the solutions to poverty.
00:40:18.000Economic inequality, uh, predation, all of these things that have characterized every human civilization that's ever existed at every point in history, everywhere on the globe.
00:40:28.000They think, Oh, no, we can figure it out and we can usher in utopia if you just give us enough power.
00:40:33.000Like, not enough people understand how insane.
00:40:43.000I've been in their planning meetings, I've been at their protests, yeah, and the there certainly are the low level people, but those are like you know.
00:40:55.000Still servants, but cognizant of what they're doing.
00:40:58.000These people that I've met will explicitly tell you to your face these are mechanisms by which we can strip the confidence in the system, burn it down, and make something different.
00:41:07.000No, yeah, I think that's what they want to do.
00:41:09.000But I think they believe that the different thing that they make is going to be effective.
00:41:22.000During Occupy Wall Street, when I was at the planning meetings for these facilitators, they would like to say in the press, We're going to flip the pyramid over.
00:41:29.000To the average person, they imagine you have a pyramid, you flip it over, the working class are on top, and the landlords and the buyers are all on the bottom.
00:41:39.000I was the only one, I guess, with multi ordered thinking and said, when you flip a pyramid over, the bricks crumble and it forms just a shittier pyramid.
00:41:47.000And they were like, right, but we're on top.
00:41:50.000Literally, the plan is you have all the working class on the bottom, you invert the pyramid, the bricks crumble down, and those that can remain on top will be us.
00:42:00.000They were under no illusions they were going to solve any problems.
00:42:16.000He's a party leader because communism is awful if you're stuck in it.
00:42:20.000But communism is great if you're the Communist Party officials.
00:42:23.000At the height of the Soviet decline, which is one of my favorite oxymorons, at the height of the Soviet decline, the party leaders never wanted for vodka or caviar or blue jeans or rock and roll, right?
00:42:35.000So, like, Bernie sees himself with his four mansions and his private jet use.
00:42:39.000Like, I want socialism for everybody, but not for me.
00:43:29.000But no, I mean, like, I remember debating these police abolitionists.
00:43:32.000They literally got up and said, well, look, we're the hopeful ones.
00:43:35.000Like, if we can just give people everything that they need, no one will ever need to commit a crime.
00:43:41.000They have no grasp, no sense of what human nature actually is, which is really the divide between left and right when you boil it down.
00:43:46.000It's just a fundamental disagreement about human nature.
00:43:49.000I actually think, by modern standards, the way we use the words left and right, it means are you in the matrix or out of it?
00:43:55.000So if you are a card carrying communist who says the Biden administration was corrupt, letting in illegal immigrants, and Joe Biden himself flew to Ukraine and threatened to illegally withhold loan guarantees so that a prosecutor would stop investigating his son, they go, you're a conservative.
00:44:12.000Like, you can literally be wearing Mao uniform.
00:44:15.000Like, if Hassan came out and said true things about what was going on in the world, they'd be like, Whoa, he's going right wing.
00:45:29.000I've made this argument on the show a bunch of times.
00:45:33.000The reason why America is the greatest country that has ever existed is because we have, up until maybe 50 years ago, we always attracted people that believed that they happened to the world.
00:45:50.000People that wanted to come to America, they wanted to come here because they believed that they could make something.
00:45:57.000Of themselves, if they could just get the yoke of the government off of them, throw, get the Lord or whatever off their back, they could do something in the world and they would happen to America.
00:46:14.000And because when you have a country full of people that are willing to take big risks and take the chance that they can happen to the world, they can do something great, you're going to have an outnumbered amount of people that succeed at that.
00:46:32.000When you have people coming to the United States that are looking for someone to take care of them, you fundamentally change what America is.
00:46:41.000And people that are on the left are not people that believe, generally, they are not people that believe that they happen to the world.
00:46:49.000They believe the world happens to them.
00:46:50.000The reason that I haven't been successful is because of some outside force.
00:47:00.000If I don't have it, it's because someone else has that thing that I deserve.
00:47:03.000But I think a lot of people are just turned off by the fact.
00:47:06.000The fact that they're experiencing downward mobility for the first time in a string of generations, right?
00:47:10.000I mean, you have people who, for every generation, we always expected to do better than our parents.
00:47:14.000And now these kids who had everything going into childhood and through childhood are going to school, they're getting degrees, they're checking boxes, but they're not living in the five bedroom, three bathroom house that they're living in the Seventh Heaven.
00:47:27.000Because you had a Great Depression, then you had two world wars, then you had the Cold War with multiple proxy conflicts and conscription in the Civil Rights era.
00:47:37.000Every generation in the past hundred years was going through some violent conflict.
00:47:41.000No, no, I'm not saying that they're right.
00:47:43.000What's really happened, in my opinion, is that millennials grew up in the 90s watching a massive economic expansion after the fall of the Soviet Union and US global New World Order dominance.
00:47:53.000And it was really good for like 10 years.
00:47:56.000And then things started to retract again.
00:47:58.000And all of a sudden they were like, how come things are bad now?
00:48:02.000But if you go back to like, and it's fascinating because I wasn't alive, I'm sorry, I was alive in the 80s, but I was not lucid in the 80s.
00:48:18.000And I know that the DSA people like to look back and say, like, but the buying ratio was like two and a half times your yearly salary to buy a house.
00:49:42.000The war was bad, civil rights stuff was crazy.
00:49:45.000When the left does it, they invert it.
00:49:47.000When they say America is, they talk about all the bad things and ignore all the good things.
00:49:51.000Today, they don't talk about the good things, they only talk about the bad things.
00:49:53.000And the frustrating thing is you can't have a serious conversation, even on this type of a podcast, because When you have one of their leaders who is Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez, and I will get to her in a second, but when she says things seriously like, well, you know, the Senate is like a remnant of Jim Crow.
00:50:37.000So, you would get so caught off guard by the asininity of that that now she's won and people are laughing and they're like, woohoo, Jim Crow.
00:50:47.000And you're like, I don't have a retort because I'm the real problem is that we let anybody vote.
00:50:56.000Which is why we need the executive order.
00:50:59.000What I was laughing at when you were speaking, and I don't want to interrupt you, is I've been thinking in my mind of a campaign to sort of.
00:51:05.000Reclaim the phrase dictator from the ancient Rome.
00:51:17.000And now we've made it this pejorative.
00:51:19.000It's like, well, if you know you're ancient Rome, like the dictator came in in these crucial moments for a temporary period and was like, whatever I say goes.
00:51:37.000A lot of people are throwing around some names that people talk about, Pinochet, and make jokes about helicopters, and they talk about, like, Franco and stuff.
00:51:45.000Franco Friday, Jackie Sobastu is doing that.
00:51:47.000Look, Franco stayed in position of authority in Spain until he died.
00:55:01.000Messaging is the most important thing.
00:55:05.000It is absolutely the most important thing because if you get the messaging right and you get the American people on your side, the president can do whatever he wants.
00:55:18.000They're not, but I. They're not, but you're not.
00:55:20.000You're never going to convince Americans that we should have a Franco.
00:55:24.000I mean, look, the problem is that Trump's not evil.
00:55:27.000And when I say the problem, it's that for all of the things you talk about with, I shouldn't say you talk about, but we talk about with Abraham Lincoln, Trump's not that guy.
00:55:37.000And I don't necessarily expect him to be.
00:55:39.000When we saw this ice action and they were ramming vehicles and there were armed individuals, like the Preddy guy was kicking vehicles, screaming at them, showed up to a police, to a law enforcement action armed.
00:55:52.000I'm not suggesting what happened to him is a good thing.
00:55:58.000Community control, you know, where dudes come out wearing windbreakers unarmed to fan protesters back.
00:56:05.000This was armored law enforcement going after rapists, smugglers, coyotes, cartels, and these activists were showing up to obstruct this.
00:56:13.000To put this in a way that liberals could understand if they'd actually listen, imagine an undercover cop tipped off a bunch of SWAT that there are dudes that traffic rifles, that traffic women and smuggle cocaine and drugs, gangbangers, mafiosos.
00:56:47.000I said at this time, if Trump were to suspend habeas corpus along a particular rail line, saying we are going to be dispatching ICE along these federal highways and these rail lines, and because of the terror that we've seen with the car rammings and the shootouts, We are suspending habeas corpus on this federal jurisdiction exclusively to allow federal forces to go in and stop this from happening.
00:57:14.000That would be the same thing Abraham Lincoln did.
00:57:17.000And when I have this conversation with people, they go, it was a civil war, Tim.
00:57:33.000Back then, even after Fort Sumter, they did not believe a Civil War was even possible.
00:57:38.000Now, later on, we say that's when it started.
00:57:40.000So they have the Battle of Bull Run where people are picnicking.
00:57:43.000It took over a year before they started saying there was a Civil War.
00:57:48.000Abraham, I'll put it up, let me put it like this.
00:57:52.000How could anyone in the United States or the Confederacy, for that matter, have thought there was a civil war before there was conscription, conflict, and a suspension of habeas corpus?
00:58:04.000So you have this moment before Lincoln gets in where seven states secede.
00:58:10.000Lincoln then gets in and says, That's not legal.
00:58:31.000Even then, it's still viewed largely just like a riotous conflict.
00:58:35.000One fight makes a war, does not, right?
00:58:40.000How could any of the people in the entirety of the United States have been like, we are now in a civil war when you did not have military rising up, armaments, blockades, suspension of habeas corpus, arrest of politicians?
00:58:53.000It became wartime because Abraham Lincoln made these moves.
00:58:58.000To put it simply, there would be no civil war if Abraham Lincoln decided there would not have been one.
00:59:28.000I'm saying fighting only began when Abraham Lincoln said, We will now fight.
00:59:33.000And the fighting began after the suspension of habeas corpus for the most part.
00:59:37.000So, if Trump were to say, We're suspending on federal highways because we need to get our federal units, ICE agents in safely and securely, so we're going to be commandeering this roadway, that would be on par with Abraham Lincoln.
00:59:50.000What the left would say if Trump did that.
00:59:52.000To your point about Abraham Lincoln, or Trump not being Abraham Lincoln, I think you're right.
00:59:56.000But at the same time, The stuff that's the issue that started this particular part of the conversation here, Trump possibly making an executive order, that's the kind of moves that you need that I'm referring to, that I think we should see, right?
01:00:12.000Because again, the DSA is a threat to the republic as it stands.
01:00:22.000And the delta is that if Trump were to sign his executive order, it is just an affirmation of upholding principles.
01:00:29.000Whereas what Lincoln did is like contrary to the Constitution and the Magna Carta.
01:00:33.000It's an affirmation that the American people largely, overwhelmingly support.
01:00:41.000The issue is let's just cut to the chase.
01:00:46.000If the United States, the wealthiest country on the planet, had a balanced economy, that is, you felt that you could attain social goals and access to resources.
01:01:01.000No one would care if Trump was a king.
01:01:04.000Well, to be fair, the left is psychotic and would lose their mind over Trump.
01:01:09.000My point is, if a new individual arose and declared himself king, let me go the other direction.
01:01:17.000If the democratic socialists burned down the institutions, conquered DC with physical violence, and we were all like, that's it, we've lost.
01:01:27.000But instead of gulags, they actually reformed government so quickly and miraculously that our standard of living skyrocketed.
01:01:36.000We're all in flying cars with free healthcare.
01:01:40.000We'd all be like, wow, wow, I guess we were wrong.
01:01:42.000If life genuinely was better for everybody and there were no gulags and no prisons and all of the recidivism just dropped to zero when we abolished prisons, the right would largely be like, okay.
01:01:54.000The evidence for this is literally everything the right has done every time there's been change in a positive direction that has benefited the American people.
01:02:03.000Conservatives have eventually just been like, okay, they don't go and smash windows and murder people or anything.
01:02:10.000This country has changed, civil rights being a really great example.
01:02:13.000Well, to be fair, I guess it was technically Democrats, but the more traditional view was, the more progressive view was civil rights.
01:02:18.000And then once we got it, they were like, no, yeah, it works.
01:02:22.000We don't want to go back that direction.
01:02:24.000I don't think the DSA would actually succeed in these regards.
01:02:27.000But my point is if we had a king, you know, I got to throw it to Marvel because these thoughts and ideas have already been hypothesized by man in our creative works, and that is Dr. Doom.
01:02:37.000We're going to have this movie coming out in December, but for those who are not familiar, you all know who Dr. Doom is, right?
01:03:28.000And they're like, but he's evil and he wants to take over the world.
01:03:30.000Like, yeah, but he was good at it and he was right.
01:03:33.000Like, I think that's an excellent point.
01:03:35.000We would all easily, if justice was just, if the economy was good, we would not care if we had a dictator king.
01:03:46.000And let's just call it patriarchal monarchy with ascension by combat.
01:03:56.000We would literally just be like, as long as the economy is going, I guess.
01:04:00.000If you start jailing people for fake reasons, eliminating dissenters, shutting down speech, then people get mad.
01:04:08.000If the economy goes south, people get mad.
01:04:10.000But the principal issue is if people got a place to live and food to eat, they ain't revolting.
01:04:13.000Well, the problem, not the problem, the challenge with that, which is why the left exists, Is that if people have food to eat and a relative prosperity and peace and freedoms, etc., then they begin to question the actual need for government in general.
01:04:27.000And you can't do that if you're a Democrat because your entire existence, your raison d'etre, is government, right?
01:04:33.000So you need people to be in a certain level of misery and stupid because I will fix your schools if you elect me.
01:04:40.000You need them to be broke because I will give you food stamps if you elect me.
01:05:12.000I don't need your permission to send my kid to that school.
01:05:15.000And then the whole structure begins to crumble.
01:05:17.000So it's essential that people have a certain level of misery because it empowers government, and government is all they care about.
01:05:23.000I'm going to take it to the most extreme of political place I can.
01:05:28.000Every one of the people watching this show would gladly support lifetime God Emperor Ian Crossland.
01:05:38.000If his graphene based economy genuinely improved their lives.
01:05:42.000Guaranteed they had disposable income, life was good, their houses all added a second floor.
01:05:47.000If, if, like, imagine for the average worker, and and and no, let's take this seriously, I'm half kidding, but imagine if I'll keep it in simplistic terms like, then you woke up the next day and your boss was like, the economy's booming, where our customers are through the roof, we're doubling your salary, prices didn't go up with inflation.
01:06:05.000You literally just were now like, wow, all of my bills and expenses are only 20% of my income, and the rest is disposable for whatever I want to do.
01:06:13.000And so, you have vacations, you have a four day work week.
01:07:10.000Well, you know, otherwise, it's all he hasn't deported enough.
01:07:13.000He's not doing, we're not getting the mass deportations, even though if you, again, this is something that they're going to debate or they're going to push back on and say, well, you can't believe the government's numbers.
01:07:22.000It looks like there's about three and a half million people that have been deported.
01:07:27.000They're deporting like 4,500 people a day, which is the most ever.
01:07:30.000And at that rate, you're looking at another two million or so, two to three million.
01:07:36.000That'll get out before the end of Trump's term.
01:07:38.000So, one of these big stories that we got right now is that Andrew Wilson and Candace are going to be debating the Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory.
01:07:46.000And I think, I guess I said PBD is going to be the moderator.
01:07:54.000Candace's followers mercilessly because they can't read.
01:07:57.000And that's kind of the point of what I want to get to in this story and how it pertains to the structure of US government, elections, media, and what's currently happening.
01:08:03.000So, of course, many of you know I put out a trolling tweet the other day where I was like, there's going to be a massive debate with a lot of money on the line, and I'm volunteering to moderate.
01:08:12.000And then, bottom of the fold, at the bottom of the tweet was, the issue of whether you can own chickens in the suburbs is massively important.
01:08:20.000And instead of actually reading it, all of the Candace people were like, Candace would never let you.
01:08:25.000And I got 3,000 replies about Candace, which I literally never even tweeted about her.
01:08:58.000In the early days, in the late 2000s, I was watching Alex Jones' Prison Planet InfoWars.
01:09:03.000And it was a lot of interesting things that he was right about and a lot of wackaloon nonsense.
01:09:08.000Remember when Alex went on Joe Rogan and talked about 5G towers, animal hybrids, intermental beings, and he said they're turning people into chimeras or whatever?
01:09:47.000But when he started getting to the, like, let's just be honest, like the Sandy Hook conspiracy stuff, he captured a massive audience of people who just want to believe whatever the machine says is a lie.
01:09:57.000So now the issue is Trump has become the machine.
01:10:36.000And it's like, Trump's the guy who got Epstein arrested in the first place.
01:10:40.000I'm not suggesting he's done a good job, and Bangino and Cash have done a good job on Epstein, but it was Trump's administration where they actually raided, went to the jail, and they got him and all that stuff.
01:10:49.000Believe whatever you want, but now that Trump is the power, they immediately no longer trust him.
01:10:55.000And anybody who is still with him is part of the conspiracy.
01:10:59.000This is the issue we have in this country.
01:11:02.000At the time, you have, I think, largely Donald Trump, I would say monetized this in a sense.
01:11:19.000And then immediately started asking me about child sacrifice and consuming brain.
01:11:24.000And he was like, These Democrats are like, they're drinking, like they drink the brain, the spinal fluid.
01:11:29.000And I was like, You know, I don't think so.
01:11:32.000I was like, That's not really anything we've ever talked about.
01:11:35.000At the time, because we were calling out the lies from the establishment for which Trump was the underdog, those people who believe in the creates of conspiracies were aligned.
01:11:48.000They still, they now go, aha, it was Trump the whole time.
01:11:51.000And now anybody who defends Trump is part of it.
01:11:53.000It's a psychological defense mechanism, though.
01:11:55.000We see this all throughout, like, sort of the human condition.
01:11:59.000People want to believe that they're in control when they feel like their lives are out of control.
01:12:03.000They, you know, one of the things that they can do to sort of maintain sanity is like adopt this view that they are the smartest person in the room, right?
01:12:09.000That's the only reason that they're in their situation because everyone else isn't as smart as them and they know and that's why things are the way they are.
01:12:16.000And it just, it's a sense of comfort for them, I think.
01:12:43.000But Candace has claimed that Charlie Kirk had the ability to turn off streetlights, that he would walk up to them and turn them off with his mind.
01:12:52.000That he was, that they both have the ability to astral project and that they were both part of.
01:13:53.000I've not thought it through, but I'm going to tell you you're wrong because a cohort of conspiracy people will send me praise and money if I just say it was bad.
01:14:03.000So when we had the shooting, We were, we were, we had pitches come in immediately like install flock cameras because then you'll know exactly who's doing it.
01:14:11.000And we ultimately decided not to do it.
01:14:13.000The issue is flock cameras, uh, absolutely will result in fourth and fifth amendment violations, and they already have.
01:14:24.000The woman who uh, the cop went to her house and said, You're getting a summons for stealing a package because flock said you did, and she said, I was not there.
01:14:31.000And it turned out she wasn't there, but here's the thing when flock says confirmed, and an administrator Says, go issue the summons.
01:15:25.000The flock camera scanned the license plate, which was a temporary plate which had three big numbers, two small numbers, and then three big numbers.
01:15:33.000And the flock camera didn't see the small numbers.
01:15:36.000So it entered the vehicle in as the wrong license plate.
01:15:39.000They were looking for a stolen vehicle.
01:15:41.000So when the cops scanned the plate, flock said, that's the guy who stole the car.
01:15:44.000They draw their guns on some bumbling white middle aged guy with his wife.
01:15:48.000Look, that's bad, but that's not a fourth or fifth amendment violation, right?
01:15:51.000Like, when the police, no, when the police make a mistake, right?
01:15:55.000That's not a, that's not a constitution.
01:16:16.000If you, if a person witnesses a, let's say there's like a young black guy in a white tank top and black shorts, smashed a window out, jumped into a car, and took off, and the person says, he stole my car, here's the license plate, here's the car description.
01:18:16.000So, the idea that we should have a mass surveillance system that does, in numerous instances, falsely accuse people of serious crimes because sometimes.
01:18:23.000Numerous, not sometimes, exponentially more times than.
01:18:29.000How many people is it worth being falsely accused of serious crimes, jailed, For some reason.
01:18:53.000Like, this is one of the problems I have with the way that the flock debate's being sort of under the fact that we're even calling it the flock debate, right?
01:19:08.000So, like, these things have, they're not new.
01:19:13.000Like, ALPRs have been around for a really, really long time, right?
01:19:16.000Like, the NYPD first launched ALPRs in New York City in 2006.
01:19:21.000In 2012, Ars Technica was warning us that, you know, ALPRs were already taking millions of our travel records and we're going to extinguish our privacy.
01:19:48.000But all the AI helps it do is better identify other vehicle features beyond the license plate, like the make model color, a bumper sticker, if there's like a dent in the back right bumper, that's it.
01:19:59.000It just makes it easier to identify the car that you're actually looking for.
01:20:02.000Now, it is possible that you might end up looking for the wrong car because of human error.
01:20:07.000And it's possible that the technology may, in one, in however many million correct hits, get something wrong.
01:20:13.000The question is, is like, how much of the benefit should we just throw out the window?
01:20:17.000Especially when we're living in a time where police departments around the country are like struggling with tension.
01:20:22.000I think this is this is this is like that's a the question that we have right now is it's like the traditional liberal argument versus the moralist conservative argument.
01:20:31.000Whereas we are, you know, so I often put it like this principles aren't a real thing and consistency is not a real thing.
01:20:39.000And conservatives tried to play this line for a long time and they were completely wrong and it made their arguments weak.
01:20:45.000The left's argument is there is no truth but power.
01:20:48.000They will say whatever they have to and do whatever they have to so that it benefits their worldview and their way of life.
01:20:52.000So, the question I often ask people is Do you think that parents should have final say in the health care of their child?
01:22:58.000And what would be the moral worldview?
01:23:01.000Sometimes I want to be able to drive my car and I don't want the government, local or otherwise, to be able to scan my license plate.
01:23:08.000And for that matter, my face in other circumstances.
01:23:11.000Sometimes I just want to go outside and not have to worry about whether or not someone's spying on me or collecting metadata.
01:23:19.000This is a big question in cybersecurity in the 2000s pertaining to the metadata searches that Obama was doing with Snowden and all that.
01:23:26.000The issue was the government claimed we are not watching what you do on websites.
01:23:32.000We don't know what you're reading or what weird stuff you're gooning off to, but we know the IPs that you're pinging.
01:23:40.000Because the argument was this if you walk outside your house, a police officer is allowed to watch you do it because, in public, you have no expectation of privacy.
01:23:48.000And many people were shocked to find that that was the case because they, for the most of human existence, if you looked out your window and there was nobody there and you walked outside, nobody knew.
01:24:02.000And so it came to be that the government asserted as fact now unless you wear a mask when you leave your home, you have no expectation of privacy.
01:24:11.000If you do wear a mask, you can argue after the fact for the deletion of that data because it was your intention to retain anonymity.
01:24:20.000And the issue is when you walk out of your house, these cameras, and this is well before Flock, have gate tracking, meaning based on the way you walk, they know if it's you or not.
01:24:30.000So there was a court case where they said if you leave your house wearing a mask, you've expressed the intention to obfuscate your identity.
01:24:38.000After they collect those videos of you on these cameras everywhere, You can then file to have it deleted under the expectation of privacy because you're wearing a mask.
01:24:48.000What we are building now, and Flock being one stepping stone of this.
01:25:14.000And the question is Do you want to live in a world where we expand that or not?
01:25:17.000It's a moral question, not a quantitative question.
01:25:20.000And I feel the quantitative questioning is a distraction.
01:25:25.000The point is the US courts ruled we can take all of the data from your internet searches.
01:25:32.000So long as it's just the websites you're visiting and not what specific things you're looking at, unless we have a warrant.
01:25:37.000Here's the problem when they collect three gigabytes of all the websites you've gone to, they know exactly what you're looking at.
01:25:46.000So it's likened to I watched you walk out of your house, then I followed you until you walked into an adult bookstore, and then I watched you walk out with a couple of items.
01:26:14.000And they said, when you go website to website, your computer is in public when it's pinging these servers.
01:26:19.000So if people are tracking your metadata, the government is, and we can then piece together after the fact, we now can build a profile, but that's your fault.
01:26:30.000Right now in this world, you can walk outside and with.
01:26:35.000A substantially much less expectation of privacy, still to a certain degree, expect that if you leave your house and go to the store, most people probably aren't going to know.
01:26:45.000Do we want to expand a surveillance state through the ubiquitous use of these license plate readers so that everywhere you go, a database is being built of everywhere you've been?
01:26:56.000Yeah, I just don't think this is happening.
01:26:58.000And I don't think it's going to be a problem.
01:27:01.000So let's have the actual debate on the issue instead of you questioning whether it is happening right now.
01:27:06.000Because the question I asked is, do we want to start building that world?
01:27:10.000Okay, so I oppose the flock cameras for that reason because the snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche.
01:27:16.000So you oppose flock cameras because at some point in the future we might possibly get to this kind of thing, assuming that enough parties have been using it and then make it happen successfully before any.
01:27:26.000You're asking, I'm watching a guy laying bricks in front of his house, and I said, I don't think you should be laying bricks because eventually we're going to have a wall in front of this property we don't want.
01:27:33.000And you're going, well, maybe in the future there'll be a wall.
01:27:35.000The problem is, once the wall's built, you can't tear it down.
01:27:37.000So, how about we just say, stop building the wall?
01:30:52.000I don't think driving your car on a public roadway without anyone knowing it is an One of the greatest arguments for the problem of surveillance state is that throughout U.S. history, there have been instances where things that were illegal were made legal, prohibition being the greatest example.
01:31:12.000If no one could drink alcohol ever again because of the ubiquity of a surveillance state, how would the people of the United States know that they actually like and prefer having alcohol?
01:31:21.000It was only through the illicit activities and speakeasies and illegal transfer of alcohol that the American people knew we want this, it must remain legal, and we have to overturn prohibition, and they did.
01:31:33.000If there was a, if we build this, as we are building it, mass surveillance state for the purpose of stopping crime, which is what you're describing, the question is what crime do we eventually see people get arrested for?
01:31:51.000In some instances, not wearing a mask would get you arrested.
01:31:55.000And so we're going to live in this world where we advocate for the expansion of a surveillance state, and then one day they will declare a national emergency and say, if we catch you fraternizing another person, Like during COVID, you go to jail and then there will be a camera on the street corner and you'll go, oops, why did I advocate for that?
01:32:10.000Yeah, like I, well, I just, I think we were already kind of had that opportunity and it didn't happen, which is encouraging to me, right?
01:33:10.000Well, if we're going to compromise, and my argument is I don't want any of them, and you say we don't want to build that world of mass ubiquitous surveillance, let's determine the amount that we're okay with nationwide and then put a moratorium on them.
01:33:46.000No, because it would be a waste of money.
01:33:48.000Okay, so we can count the intersections in this country, and we can certainly say the amount of flat cameras should be restricted to somewhat less, to a number less than that one.
01:33:56.000So there is a number by which you'd say we should not legally allow anymore.
01:34:01.000And now I'm willing to go there as opposed to just throwing out the baby with the bathwater and saying that we should ban this and let that poor woman just lose her child forever, possibly, or let the guy who just shot four people at a house party get away forever.
01:34:18.000You did bring up something good, a really important point, though, which is the one fear that I have with ALPRs, which I think a lot of people share, is not really the sort of mass Orwellian surveillance state, it's the possibility that they could be used.
01:34:30.000To enforce these nickel and dime nonsense offenses.
01:35:24.000I. Nor do I think we want to live in what that world will be as we expand these machines.
01:35:29.000I agree insofar as I do not want to live in that world.
01:35:32.000I think that we can regulate our way out of that world by drawing clear lines around how you use this technology.
01:35:37.000I think we can say, yes, you can use this technology to find shooting suspects.
01:35:40.000Yes, you can use it to recover stolen goods.
01:35:41.000You think that the legislative branch has been successful in their efforts over the past 10 years?
01:35:45.000I mean, look, some of the legislative branches at the city level, at the state level, are already banning these things just in response to the backlash.
01:35:51.000The idea that we don't have responsive politics is silly.
01:36:37.000What we have seen through the ubiquity of a surveillance state is that you can't leave your home without someone knowing what you're doing at all times.
01:36:43.000And that in the history of the United States, there have been instances where laws were repealed because people were doing illegal things and society determined they wanted those illegal things to be legal.
01:36:54.000In a mass surveillance state, you don't get it.
01:36:56.000And so it's one of the reasons why the Soviet Union.
01:37:16.000Public drinking in New York in the early 1900s when they made it illegal, the city councilman said, Let it be known that this will never prohibit a man from having a beer during his lunch break.
01:37:50.000I think you're ignoring the fact that, like, despite the fact that we have these things in place that you would call a mass surveillance system, none of the things that you are arguing about have come to pass.
01:38:26.000And part of them is that's absolutely incorrect.
01:38:28.000Because one of the biggest issues of BLM is that police routinely go into Harlem and the Bronx and walk around issuing tickets for public drinking.
01:38:35.000And one of the biggest issues with BLM was that they were full of it for most of the things that they were doing.
01:38:40.000It has nothing to do with what I just said.
01:38:41.000It is true that police go to these areas and hand out tickets to people drinking 40s.
01:39:39.000You're saying that the existence of the surveillance state is a problem because then you leave your house, you do X, Y, and Z that's now against the law, and then you'll get immediately arrested for it.
01:39:47.000And I'm saying, like, that's not real.
01:39:49.000I think we're having an order of thinking challenge.
01:39:51.000I am saying that when you put up a single camera, we call that a snowflake.
01:40:36.000Constructively and over time, and have that debate in good faith.
01:40:42.000What I don't want to see is what people are pushing for now, which is saying just get rid of them in their entirety because at some point in the future, this could be bad.
01:40:51.000I think that is a bad way to make policy.
01:40:53.000I think it's going to have disastrous outcomes for real people.
01:40:59.000Certainly would have been worse for that mom without her kid, right?
01:41:02.000It certainly would be worse where, like, there are legitimate cases of shootings that result in clearances because the cars generate a hit on an ALPR.
01:42:48.000And the Biden administration was able to recover a large sum of money from working class people under the guise they'd go after the billionaires because these systems only ever go after those who don't have the means to fight.
01:42:59.000I guarantee you, when these cameras are up on every street corner in Washington, D.C., and I'm being hyperbolic.
01:43:06.000When you have a large quantity of them in D.C., I guarantee you, I'll be able to make a phone call and say, anytime my license plate comes up in that database, it's immediately deleted, scrubbed, and the machine acts as though it never saw it.
01:43:17.000It will scan the plate and immediately say, Disregard.
01:43:20.000I can guarantee I can make that phone call.
01:43:33.000We get a letter in the mail saying they're going to build a new transmission line, it has to go through the area and it's going to go onto your property.
01:43:39.000And I'm sorry, it has to happen because the constraints of the community require an expansive power.
01:44:10.000Didn't Trump get elected and then undo a lot of that?
01:44:14.000I mean, like a lot of the IRS has been gutted in a sense, right?
01:44:19.000I don't, did they fire those people that were hired?
01:44:21.000I don't know, they fired all of them, but they've certainly redirected, right?
01:44:23.000Like there were, what I'm saying is that there was a The point about the IRS agents was not that government agents can't be fired.
01:44:28.000It was that they bring in these 80 some odd thousand people under the guise of stopping criminals and they go after regular working class people.
01:44:35.000You can make that argument about every government initiative, right?
01:45:11.000But I'm saying like the history of the government.
01:45:14.000My argument is less government, more guns.
01:45:19.000You got criminals in your neighborhood and you're worried about the crime they're committing.
01:45:22.000We should have a right to keep and bear arms and defend ourselves from criminals.
01:45:25.000And we need strong men who are willing and strong laws that when I see a dude who robs a house and he's running down the street in work boots, I can stop him without fear that I'm going to prison for the rest of my life.
01:46:09.000In the late 2000s, a company came out that asked people to go and write down the license plates of vehicles in front of their homes, and they would pay you anytime.
01:46:18.000Law enforcement or repossessors got a hit.
01:46:22.000And it went viral on Facebook with people being like, this is an amazing way to make extra money.
01:46:26.000And then immediately there was this massive, like, holy, this is crazy.
01:46:31.000A company was telling everyone, it was a decentralized surveillance network.
01:46:35.000And then I don't know if they still exist, but I remember at the time everybody on Facebook started attacking it, dislikes, and just comments.
01:46:42.000And then people stopped talking about it.
01:46:44.000It reminds me of these First Amendment auditors who will go out into a public space with cameras and start filming people.
01:46:51.000Only to get the police called and then eventually get the police to have to.
01:46:54.000That's entirely different from a networked AI system.
01:46:58.000But what I'm saying is the networked AI system is only picking up things that are on public streets where you don't have an expectation of privacy.
01:47:47.000I'm asking you how many cameras until you consider the cops to be behind you all the time?
01:47:52.000When the jurisdictions that want, Them can achieve the kind of coverage that will give them the protections that cities with adequate coverage currently have.
01:49:07.000So, the criminals will still be able to map out those blind spots and kidnap these kids.
01:49:12.000Yeah, I don't know that it's going to be a partial surveillance system is pointless because it can't actually spot them.
01:49:17.000No, no, because if you put it at the right places, it's going to be impossible to not drive past one at some point.
01:49:25.000I loathe the idea that we should take more responsibility from individuals over the things that happen to them and their families, and once again, just give the responsibility to the government.
01:49:36.000But that's the one thing that we agreed.
01:49:39.000In this country, that the government would have responsibility to do, right?
01:49:42.000The government exists particularly to protect people.
01:49:50.000Security being the true end and design of government.
01:49:52.000That's quite the antithesis of what the founding fathers said, such as those who would sacrifice essential liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither and will lose more.
01:50:03.000Who said security being the true end and design of government?
01:50:46.000And what we got in COVID was when the Attila's gym decided to stay open to violate the ordinance, local police showed up and said, Y'all are good.
01:51:00.000They called some cops from a different town over and said, You come in because ain't nobody going to stop you and you don't got to worry about it.
01:54:03.000It was a glitch, and everyone went at the end, and I almost broke down in tears on the last day when I filed before the judge that I was like, You don't know, like, when you dismissed me, like, you have to go get the police report.
01:54:12.000I was like, if I am walking down the street right now, I have a warrant out for my arrest.
01:54:44.000A car in the panhandle got flagged by a flock camera and entered her name into a database for having committed a crime, but the database could not determine because it's not a human this woman's name.
01:54:56.000And so, next thing she knows, state police are at her house and they're like, You were up, you know, driving your vehicle in the panhandle.
01:55:01.000And she was like, I've never been there in my life.
01:55:14.000I don't know if it was a few weeks to a few months where they were like, You, your name, your date of birth were entered into the system as having committed this crime.
01:55:39.000So, like, these sensors that are placed strategically throughout cities and they listen specifically for gunfire that are able to, like, distinguish between, you know.
01:56:58.000I'm pretty sure in Chicago, it's seven.
01:56:59.000There are places in the U.S. I'm pretty sure because my friends live in Chicago and they had to recently have more than 10 when I lived in Chicago.
01:58:39.000Indeed, because he and and why should he have cared?
01:58:42.000He was doing everything according to his training.
01:58:43.000Well, this was actually one of the arguments that I made back then that, like, you know, the idea that his intent was to kill is belied by the fact that he knew the same thing is true with the McMichaels.
01:58:52.000A man had been accused of burglarizing several homes, he was on camera burglarizing homes.
01:58:57.000It is not in dispute that Ahmed Arbery was a suspect in a string of burglaries.
01:59:01.000One of these burglaries was an auto theft that resulted in the theft of a firearm, right?
01:59:05.000So the police went door to door showing a picture of him saying he's our suspect.
01:59:08.000One day, someone saw him running down the street, made a phone call.
01:59:47.000It's a reference to the ubiquity of cameras and the release of footage, which changes a scenario which otherwise would have been a non issue.
01:59:54.000So, the point is, there absolutely will be a circumstance where you are driving down the road and, you know, something happens with your vehicle that otherwise no one would care about.
02:00:06.000And the locals will be like, hey, man, chill out.
02:00:09.000But with a flock camera, you get a summons for a felony speeding violation or something.
02:00:20.000First off, it's already happening in some jurisdictions, right?
02:00:21.000I mean, like, there are jurisdictions that have gotten rid of their speed cameras altogether, that have gotten rid of their red light cameras, that have stopped summoning people for those kinds of violations.
02:00:29.000I say in my piece on Flock that, like, one of the biggest dangers is that we start using this technology in order to enforce these kinds of rules.
02:00:39.000And the reason I think it's bad is because it will lead to a place where we completely get rid of all of the possible benefits associated with that technology by getting rid of the technology itself.
02:00:49.000We're going to try and grab at least a couple of super chats from you guys.
02:01:02.000They didn't read the whole message, but it wasn't unreasonable for them to think what they did.
02:01:07.000I would argue it's unreasonable to assume that your worldview, your myopic news cycle, is what everyone is talking to.
02:01:16.000Now, what if I, in that tweet about Roosters, which is intentionally a gag, said at the bottom, the issue of men competing in the NBA is massive, and we're going to be hosting a culture war show where I will moderate this debate with prominent individuals on the left and the right.
02:01:31.000It would have been a totally legitimate and serious point about a current news cycle item, and the same thing would have happened.
02:01:40.000I could make a post talking about the WNBA and Candace's fans.
02:01:46.000There's a disproportionate amount of them that don't actually read anything.
02:01:49.000Hence, they believe that Charlie was a time traveler, had electromagnetic powers, could astral project, was in a secret experimentation program.
02:01:57.000Or, how about this that a month after the dude released a video where he begged Gen Z to love the Jews, the Jews killed him?
02:02:54.000People saw the quotes, they saw the retweets, they never actually clicked read to see what I was talking about.
02:03:00.000And I was talking about how JD Vance got chickens, and the Washington Post argued that they contacted local law enforcement to figure out if he was appropriately raising those chickens.
02:03:10.000And considering I'm a big fan of chickens, they're fantastic.
02:03:13.000I thought it would be funny to play this game with the intention, full well knowing that Candace's fans don't read.
02:04:11.000Now she's discrediting the movement that helped Trump get elected, and she's lying about me while telling all of you she's the only one who knows, despite the fact that big tech won't censor her at all, even though she's broken all of the rules.
02:06:13.000They don't actually allow you to prosecute the individual, which is why the registered owner of the vehicle gets the summons and it's attached to the vehicle.
02:08:04.000If a moving violation is a crime and a flock camera automatically accuses you of that crime, putting a penalty on your vehicle, and then you're playing word games.
02:09:02.000If you are caught driving after that, you go to jail for one year.
02:09:05.000So, when you are driving and your vehicle is in a moving violation, and they take a picture of your vehicle and accuse you of that, and you get a citation for a moving violation that results in a penalty, we call that a crime happened.
02:09:19.000You were accused by a machine, and you can lose your right to drive because of it.
02:09:23.000Right, but that's called a penalty for a crime.
02:09:25.000Now, you can go ahead and play stupid word games, but that doesn't matter because it's just, I think it's not going to work for the regular person.
02:09:36.000It's not being used as evidence of the crime, right?
02:09:38.000Like, if you get a speeding ticket for a speed camera, the only person who gets a speeding ticket is the registered owner, right?
02:09:46.000Like, the registered owner can come in and say this person was driving, and then they can give that individual the speeding ticket if they can prove it.
02:09:52.000But you're not getting the reason that they don't prosecute the individual for this, they place the penalty on the registered owner.
02:11:02.000But what happens when the working class guy, the license plate is read wrong, never sees a citation or fine, drives, then one day gets pulled over?
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02:14:55.000So, my question is for the whole panel.
02:15:01.000So, regardless of your position on the flock camera argument and their use on highways, how do you feel about the numerous reports of flock cameras reported?
02:15:12.000Pointed at gun store parking lots and gun range parking lots.
02:15:17.000To me, this surveillance state is an overreach of executive power and should be corrected now before it spirals out of control.
02:15:25.000Also, do you feel like this is flirting with anti 2A governance, which could spiral out of control and become a catalyst to a much larger issue?
02:15:35.000Look, to be honest with you, my take on stuff like that is probably why people have a problem with flock cameras in general, right?
02:15:57.000Look, you know, there are cameras everywhere.
02:16:00.000Everyone walks around with a monitoring device in their pocket all the time.
02:16:07.000So it's not that people actually have a significant problem with technology or with the ability to be monitored because even a regular cell phone is pinging a tower.
02:16:20.000You know, the police could ostensibly know about where you are.
02:16:24.000And that's been the same for 25 years now, maybe longer.
02:16:30.000But I will say that the issue that I think the issue that I have and the issue that most people have is that you can't trust the government.
02:16:40.000And it's the overreach that people are actually most concerned about.
02:16:46.000Yeah, look, I mean, I think the overreach is definitely the thing that everyone's concerned about.
02:16:51.000What bothers me about the way that this debate unfolds is that the overreach that people point to is just kind of like effusive.
02:17:00.000We don't, we're not, you know, the only examples that we're given of things that actually happened are either like one off mistakes that represent a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of, you know, the total interactions with the technology that, in my opinion, no more justify getting rid of the technology than, you know, the relative handful of cases of excessive force justify defunding the police back in 2020.
02:17:22.000It's just not the way that I think about things.
02:17:34.000So I understand your argument, and I think that generally I agree.
02:17:39.000But I think that you're also, or we are living in a society that has unprecedented mistrust in not just organizations and the establishment and institutions, but we have been shown.
02:18:02.000The government did massive damage to Americans' trust with all the stuff about COVID.
02:18:09.000And you're hearing all the stuff coming out that Fauci was hiding and lying about.
02:18:15.000You have significant distrust with banking institutions because of the first housing crash.
02:18:22.000You have significant distrust in colleges and stuff like that because of basically because of humanities departments and that stuff is leaking out from the soft sciences into the hard sciences.
02:18:35.000So, I think that the reason why you get such spirited pushback is because people don't trust anymore.
02:18:47.000But government is not entirely a single entity, right?
02:18:53.000Like, you know, it's divided horizontally, it's divided vertically.
02:18:57.000And even, you know, within, like, you know, the police are not on the same page as the social workers in any given American city, right?
02:19:05.000Like, so the question of who we're discharging.
02:19:08.000Being distrustful of, right, is actually, I think, the group that we're probably closest to in terms of like ideals, right?
02:19:15.000Like, I think a lot of a lot critics politically would have a lot in common with the media and cop, which are the people who are really kind of driving the use of this technology.
02:19:23.000Number two is like, yes, we should be inherently suspicious of giving the government any kind of power or tool.
02:19:31.000But the response to that is within our power, right?
02:19:35.000Like, how aggressive that response is.
02:19:38.000What I'm saying is that, like, the most aggressive response off the bat to just Ban these things or severely restrict them past the point of making them useful is wrongheaded.
02:19:49.000I think it cuts us off from access to real benefits that will help real people, that will make communities significantly better and safer.
02:19:58.000Now, how we do that is an open debate that I think we should have with cool heads.
02:20:04.000I think you're falling for Boromir's fallacy.
02:20:36.000But listen, out of all the things that are out there, out of all the things that are out there that can be used to surveil us, flock and ALPRs are like down here.
02:21:41.000But I don't like the fact that if Phil was told by the local police, hey, Phil, we're going to put you here and you have to record everyone and then send us the footage at the end of the day.
02:21:49.000So here's maybe the aftershoot, but they're going to clip that.
02:21:53.000They're going to start thinking that you're serious.
02:21:57.000To the caller's point, though, you were making a point about, you know, 2A, say, advocates, people that purchase guns and stuff like that.
02:22:07.000I think he's talking about a specific case.
02:22:09.000So there was a, this went viral, I think, yesterday or the day before yesterday, where there was a municipal gun range in Florida, I think, in Marion County.
02:22:20.000It's a government owned gun range, by the way.
02:22:53.000Like, maybe it makes sense to see if someone does go nuts and do something crazy, right?
02:22:57.000Like, you can maybe track the car there.
02:22:59.000You don't really go all that nuts on the range.
02:23:01.000Like, when you're out, People off the range, sure, yeah.
02:23:03.000Well, you've had like, I mean, there have been cases where like people showed up at gun range, right?
02:23:06.000I mean, like, you know, uh, um, uh, Chris Kyle, right?
02:23:10.000I mean, like that happened on the gun range, um, but I just think about like, so when I go to my municipal gun range, I can't actually get into the range without first showing my ID that I'm a resident of the county to access the gun range without having to pay a fee, and then they also have to see my gun license, right?
02:23:26.000Like, that is way more intrusive and gives way more information.
02:23:32.000What's interesting to me is, I've never seen Anyone object to that?
02:23:37.000But even when I would go to the gun range outside of Chicago, often you have to show an ID or you have to check in to the gunranger sign in.
02:23:49.000It's weird to me that the ALPRs are where we're drawing the line.
02:23:54.000Security cameras are way more invasive, facial recognition technology is way more invasive, our phones are way more invasive.
02:24:02.000The fact that police can knock on somebody's door and say, hey, can we see your ring camera?
02:24:08.000You know, I like I had that my neighbors had something stolen.
02:24:12.000They said, Hey, can we possibly see your doorbell camera footage?
02:24:15.000I was like, Yeah, if it's useful, like, absolutely, like, we can send it to the police, right?
02:24:19.000So, like, but that's the thing, like, most people will not say get a warrant when being asked by the police, like, Hey, can we help catch this guy who stole your neighbor's packages, right?
02:24:29.000So, like, I just think we're there, and I'm encouraged by the fact that we've had this technology deployed for 20 years without any real like cause to think that.
02:24:39.000They've resulted in a mass invasion of privacy or an extinguishing of our privacy.
02:24:44.000We've had them at a high level with AI integrated into it and the network together for 15 years.
02:24:51.000Again, doesn't mean that it's not possible, but I think regulating in anticipation of some potential harm in the future in a way that's draconian and overly aggressive is the wrong way to do public policy.
02:25:11.000The specific thing I was really more referring to was the place that was posted on X, where the flock cameras point into the parking lot of the place that sells guns.
02:25:24.000It was a dealership where the place goes in where people can buy guns.
02:25:30.000And in my opinion, if they want to post flock cameras on the highways, I don't like it, but I'm not going to go out of my way to avoid it.
02:25:39.000But I don't think they should be pointing them at private.
02:25:42.000Property or property that's not governed by the highway patrol or whatever for speed purposes when somebody's in the parking lot of a gun store.
02:25:53.000And guns is a highly contested issue, anyways.
02:25:57.000People, it's a very volatile issue that people don't want the registries.
02:26:28.000But there are lines that we can draw, and there are rules that we can impose that limit the government's ability to use this in a bad way without getting rid of the potential benefits.
02:26:39.000And I think that's the best way to approach anything.
02:26:42.000And I think part of why there was such a backlash to the defund the police movement was that people realized that it was silly to get rid of an entire institution based on a relative handful of cases of excessive force.
02:26:54.000Like, we shouldn't characterize entire institutions by the potential bad that can be done.
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02:28:13.000So, my question is in this increasingly polarizing political landscape, how do we discuss the issue of socialism with friends and family without pushing them further into that ideology?
02:28:25.000Say they're starting to flirt with it or starting to mention it as, hey, have you thought about this?
02:28:31.000How do we meaningfully Talk to people to try and stem the tide here, so to say.
02:28:39.000So, in my opinion, the best way to do it is if people are flirting with the idea of socialism, usually it starts with policies that sound good, right?
02:28:52.000Like, people don't jump in feet first and being like, you know what, that guy Lenin was onto some shit, right?
02:28:57.000Like, it takes learning about the first thing you hear about the policies that they're presenting.
02:29:04.000Then people will start looking into where those policies come from and stuff.
02:29:08.000So I would recommend that you refute the policies that they're presenting, right?
02:29:16.000If they're like, oh, you know, Medicare for all.
02:29:38.000Social Security and Medicare are two of the major drivers of our debt now, and we can't pay for it.
02:29:44.000They're going to be insolvent in 2033 or 2034 or whatever.
02:29:48.000Go through the policies that they present, push back on those, and make sure that you have good arguments against those.
02:30:00.000Because I think that most people, when they say socialism, especially if you look at polling, most people, when they say socialism, especially if they don't know much about the theory behind it, they are thinking of Scandinavian countries, they're thinking of free healthcare, they're thinking of generous social safety nets.
02:30:17.000They're not thinking, oh man, you know.
02:30:41.000They don't, they don't, they're not usually well versed in the theory.
02:30:44.000So I think the most effective thing to do is push back on the individual policies that they're talking about.
02:30:50.000I think that, I think also just pointing out the fact that it's never worked anywhere, that it's ever been tried.
02:30:56.000And also, you know, it would require giving the government an enormous amount of power, right?
02:31:01.000I mean, we've been talking about government power quite a lot, and people seem uncomfortable with it in this very narrow context.
02:31:07.000But I bet you there's a cross section of people who are uncomfortable with it, but would also give them the kind of power that the government would need to give you everything that you need.
02:31:15.000Yeah, look, if the government, and this is a cliche, but if the government has the Ability to give you everything that you need.
02:31:24.000They also have the ability to take away everything.
02:31:27.000And nothing from the government comes without strings attached.
02:31:30.000And to me, one of the things that has always spoken to me as a sort of pushback on socialism is the fact that the opposite view is the more hopeful view.
02:32:18.000I think that is part of the American spirit.
02:32:21.000People want to be able to succeed and realize the benefits associated with their effort.
02:32:27.000And what happens in these systems where everyone's guaranteed a minimal level and no one's rewarded for the extra effort, it just goes away.
02:32:35.000Tell them to get an Airbnb with their buddies.
02:32:38.000That's the best way to get rid of the socialist, is because you do an Airbnb with your buddies, whether it's a hunting trip or a bachelor party, and everyone wakes up the first morning, and who the hell has coffee?
02:34:02.000And I feel like a lot of the folks who want to gravitate towards socialism are just fucking losers.
02:34:08.000As far as bringing it up conversationally and having them not shoot you down or stonewall you, also, there's a great book called How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Bogosian.
02:35:20.000So I believe I. Two things, but after hearing about the flock situation, I was hoping maybe to squeeze in a third one at the end if there's time.
02:35:29.000So the first one was: is that if the person who you're voting for doesn't have an English or British surname, is that they're not an American and you're not part of the American ethnicity or community?
02:35:46.000And then my question is: why is immigration seen as a good when it's In my opinion, obviously, the failing of a country to take care of its people.
02:35:57.000The argument is that we are not having enough babies, and so we need people to come in to supplement the fact that we have not had enough babies.
02:36:11.000There's also the argument that Americans don't want to do the jobs that immigrants will do, which I don't think is true, but those are the primary arguments.
02:36:50.000Well, that's what I'm saying, the 01 visas and stuff.
02:36:53.000So like Pierre Omidyar, the guy who founded, I'm mispronouncing it, the guy who founded eBay and is worth several tens of billions of dollars.
02:37:01.000Not an American, hates this country, spends gobs of philanthropy to destroy the New America Foundation, all these things.
02:37:32.000When you, to the United States, you have to say, look, I love the, basically, essentially, the long and short of it is, I love the United States.
02:37:54.000If you have an ideology that is counter to what the United States is.
02:37:58.000But that's why I'm saying it should be.
02:38:01.000I think the number of people that the United States should let in for the next decade, the number of people that the United States should let in per year is somewhere on the order of 50,000, 50 to 100,000.
02:38:12.000I'm talking too many, significant research.
02:38:32.000Look, I'm much more restrictionist than what we're, like, been doing for the last 20 years.
02:38:36.000I mean, we've been letting in legally over a million people a year and illegally, God knows how many, right?
02:38:40.000Like, all that absolutely needed to stop.
02:38:42.000But, like, I don't know, man, like, for me, like, the case isn't that, like, you know, we're not having enough babies or that, you know, there's these jobs that Americans don't want to do.
02:38:49.000It's like, it's not, Utilitarian in that sense.
02:38:51.000It's utilitarian in the sense that, like, there are really great patriotic people who just aren't American, who want to be here, who would benefit our country, who would be net additions.
02:39:01.000And, like, if God wanted that person here, he would have had that person born in America.
02:39:08.000As far as my argument against the, you know, people aren't, we don't have enough workers and stuff.
02:39:13.000I'm, I'm one of, I'm the tech guy here, or not the, I'm the pro tech guy here generally.
02:39:20.000I think that robots are going to be doing everything in five years.
02:39:22.000I think that, That Elon Musk isn't going to make.
02:39:25.000They just figured out how to make a hand that has the same kind of range of movement as a human hand.
02:39:31.000I think the human hand has 27 degrees of mobility, and they made a robot hand that basically does all the same things that human hands can do.
02:39:40.000That was like a big sticking point you couldn't get the hands to work right.
02:39:58.000The new technology that they're working on for robots are what they call world models, so that way they can function in the world.
02:40:05.000I think all of these problems are going to be the problems that you're seeing with having a basically C3PO or whatever.
02:40:13.000Those are going to be solved in the next year to 18 months, and you're going to see a significant rollout of Optimus type robots that function in the world.
02:40:22.000And I think that they're going to be sold for $25,000, and you're going to get five years.
02:41:57.000Like, everyone that watches the show knows who Tank is.
02:42:01.000And, like, last night I was asking him about, so there's a lot of people on the internet that are always like, oh, the Jews created communism.
02:42:07.000Like, no, the Jews didn't create communism.
02:42:09.000And I was like, and that's why I was like, Tank, I know that Marx came up with blah, blah, blah, and he was Jewish, but who were the people that blah, Created and we had a big conversation back and forth.
02:42:19.000And you know, at the end, he was like, You know, so there's this one guy that was a Swiss guy.
02:42:59.000Look, man, if people worry about AI, but it's coming, whether for good or ill, it's coming because it's not like it's not slowing down.
02:43:09.000The things that AI can do now are incredible.
02:43:12.000And once you get your cell phone with an AI in it that can actually do things, you know, you can say, hey, Do this, open this program, or do that.
02:43:24.000Like, one of the things, like Tim's, Tim was, me and Tim were having a little back and forth about it the other day.
02:43:28.000And he was like, Oh, look, you can already do that stuff with Amazon.
02:43:30.000It's like, Yes, you can do that stuff with Amazon.
02:43:34.000But like, when you can say, Hey, open Pro Tools, which is a DAW for music, and say, Set up a session.
02:44:10.000But like, I haven't tried it yet, but I'm fairly certain that, you know, if I was like, hey, Tank, I just installed Pro Tools, open up Pro Tools and do this, he could do it because he can open up a browser, he can go to websites, he can do.
02:44:49.000So, immigration basically being a net failing of the country, basically sourcing other people to fill roles that it should.
02:44:57.000So, basically, my view of this is that the idea that a population going in decline is basically an alarm bell to bring more people in.
02:45:10.000Because if you look at nature in general, all populations go in an ebb and flow and up and down.
02:45:15.000So, the idea is that when you bring in these people who more than likely aren't going to assimilate properly with a smaller population that you're trying to bring back up, it's just going to cause more issues.
02:45:27.000Population is going to continue to go down.
02:45:29.000And not only that, but with the, I honestly believe that the bringing in the brightest around the world is a red herring just to make it so people can stomach the fact that they will be replaced by skilled labor.
02:46:06.000But the idea is that you could have basically just displaced someone who would have been born in the amount of time it needed for the population just to basically recover through natural phenomena.
02:46:56.000And so, generally, I don't think that everything.
02:47:01.000There are unique challenges that are going on right now.
02:47:05.000I do think that we do need to deport illegals, people that are here illegally, we need to deport them, people that are here taking advantage of our very generous system, we need to deport them.
02:47:16.000That's one rule I think we should just have.
02:47:18.000You don't come in if you are going to be a public charge.
02:47:23.000But that goes to the thing that I was talking about earlier the people that are looking to happen to the world, happen to America.
02:47:31.000If you're here or you come to the United States because you want the government to take care of you, you're hoping that America takes care of you.
02:47:38.000Well, Then America is not the place for you.
02:47:40.000You know, there are plenty of countries that have very generous welfare systems as well, or social safety, social systems as well.
02:47:48.000You don't need to come to the United States.
02:47:49.000You can go to any number of countries in Europe.
02:47:52.000They're very clearly comfortable with that.
02:48:14.000You know, so, um, same thing, kind of, same kind of thing happened in, in France.
02:48:19.000There was, uh, you know, uh, an election and, and the right wingers, you know, won, and for some reason they didn't actually get into the government or they had the majority, but they didn't get into the government because the other, the left wing parties got together and, and basically were able to shut them out.
02:48:38.000I was getting a little heated, but I, I've calmed down about that.
02:48:41.000Um, the, uh, so I'll, uh, start with, uh, Something that happened to me.
02:48:46.000I went to a community college about seven ish years ago, and during my enrollment, I got a letter in the mail saying they had a data breach.
02:48:55.000A bunch of vital information was basically stolen.
02:48:57.000I may have been affected by it, yada, yada, yada.
02:49:01.000About a month ago, I got that same email.
02:49:03.000I haven't been to that school in seven years, and they said they got a bunch of security information, basically identity theft stuff.
02:49:10.000So, a private institution is having data breaches that basically can be used to negatively affect me.
02:49:18.000And now you're saying that we're not only going to expand that type of data information, but into the real world.
02:49:24.000It's where flat cameras can basically be collecting my information.
02:49:28.000Someone can get a data breach and then basically like ransomware me.
02:49:31.000Like, yep, we have all these crimes that haven't been reported on you that we're just going to basically feed to the police.
02:49:36.000You can either pay me $10,000 or you could basically pay $10,000 in court fees.
02:50:36.000We can, but we can write that rule and impose it.
02:50:40.000Well, but also, like, 100 days, like, the other thing is 100 days, like, it's just not happening, right?
02:50:44.000Like, the default setting is to auto delete after 30 days because basically, most, my understanding is that, like, most of the servers that, like, traditional law enforcement agencies have would be overwhelmed.
02:50:58.000With about 100 days of data collection.
02:50:59.000So they have to regularly auto delete in order to not run up against like serious data storage limits.
02:51:07.000Like you can, there are cloud solutions probably, but yeah, like I think the vast majority of Flux clients auto delete after 30 days.
02:51:18.000Well, so someone couldn't just set a program in there to basically skim information and then take it out onto a private server to then use for later.
02:51:28.000Sure, but like what's the information that they're skimming that your car was in front of what can't you know, camera X at certain points?
02:51:36.000Well, if it's a video file and you have AI basically an algorithm sorting out information going through it, you could then basically piece together a history of certain vehicles and then find who those vehicles belong to and then basically go after the individual.
02:52:01.000Like, this is just data collection to be basically freely used by whoever wants to basically get their hands on.
02:52:07.000Yeah, I just think, of all the data that I'd want to collect about someone, like whether their car passed a certain street is like the least interesting thing about them.
02:52:16.000But that's you, and you have a good heart and a clean conscience.
02:53:32.000But look, you know, presidents have done things that are beyond their stated powers essentially since, definitely since the Louisiana Purchase.
02:53:44.000There was a question as to whether or not that was even right, and Jefferson still did it.
02:53:49.000You know, presidents have been pushing the authority of the office of the president for as long as there has been an office of the president, or at least since Adams, right?
02:54:27.000So, yeah, the president has been pushing the boundaries of what the president can do for as long as there has been a president, just about.
02:54:34.000I think Washington's the only one that didn't.
02:54:38.000And we haven't had a Washington since Washington.
02:54:40.000So, you know, it's, in my opinion, considering how popular voter ID is with the American people, and the only thing holding it up is the Senate.
02:55:11.000Because the worst thing that can happen is the courts, you know, put an injunction or stop him.
02:55:16.000If they, you know, I don't know that they would or if they could or how they would do it.
02:55:21.000It's likely that a court would try to put some kind of injunction and prevent it.
02:55:25.000But I don't know if that's possible when it comes to a state of emergency.
02:55:28.000Yeah, I'm not really sure with a state of emergency.
02:55:31.000But one thing that does kind of rub me the wrong way is just the idea that something that was meant to be a legislative initiative that fails on that front, that we do it some extra legislative way.