On this week's episode of The Green Room, we're joined by Mike Cernovich and Rob Smith to discuss the latest on the Epstein scandal and the fallout from it. Plus, a special guest joins us at a party thrown by a bunch of really great people.
00:00:09.000I don't know if you all saw that White House meeting where Zelensky, Trump, Vance were discussing the war, actively having a negotiation, as it were, and there are many minds about it.
00:00:20.000Of course, many liberal-leaning personalities say this is an embarrassing moment for the United States.
00:00:27.000However, many on the right are saying Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, was arrogant and dismissive of the concerns that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump had.
00:00:35.000Which is an insane strategy in a negotiation.
00:00:38.000Still, it's remarkable to see this degree of conversation happening in public.
00:00:43.000Trump even saying, the American people should see this.
00:00:47.000I'm going to give you my opinion right away.
00:00:49.000I mean, Zelensky, it was shocking how he needed to be deferential to the country that was providing him hundreds of billions of dollars to save itself.
00:03:16.000What frustrated me about yesterday is we had, and I posted my notes online, we had all these notes, there was a whole media strategy, there were all these things to talk about.
00:03:26.000But I was under embargo for three hours.
00:03:28.000And I'm just watching people, including people that I've done nothing but retweet and help, saying the terrible things about me.
00:03:34.000And then I made four videos, actually, in response.
00:07:01.000We want people covering the media alongside the New York Times because the New York Times and WACA is spreading a hoax that only pro-Trump people are going to be allowed.
00:07:13.000As you can see, if you're there, they're just saying that, no, these other people that you excluded with your cartel-like behavior can't be excluded anymore, right?
00:07:31.000I can't say who, but you can guess who, because again, it's on background, which means I can't say who the person was, but we get the big box of stuff comes in.
00:07:48.000We thought we had all the files we needed, but we found out that there's been stonewalling and destruction of evidence, and Anna Paulina has said this publicly.
00:07:59.000And this was a different person who told us.
00:09:10.000So we're walking down from the West Wing, and then I felt like I was walking into a firing squad because I don't like people to know what I do because then all people do is blood suck.
00:11:42.000What I wanted to point out to a lot of people who don't know is that, The only reason we have these files, whatever they may be, even if it's 10 years old, is because you filed legal paperwork which broke open the Epstein story.
00:11:54.000When I saw people coming out of the White House, and you're in the background, kind of like looking away and trying to get away from the cameras.
00:12:01.000There was no moment in my mind where I was like, how come Mike is there?
00:14:05.000So the criminal case against Epstein was actually a containment operation, which is a different discussion, which we've had before, because I explained that there's Mann Act violations that weren't charged.
00:14:36.000But that's what they charged him with, but they didn't charge him until the Second Circuit of Oral Argument.
00:14:40.000The Oral Argument was actually pretty funny.
00:14:42.000They go, well, why can't you unseal these records?
00:14:45.000You can't be in federal court and have confidentiality.
00:14:49.000You can be in arbitration and have confidentiality.
00:14:51.000You can have an NDA, which unfortunately a lot of media outlets use to silence people.
00:14:57.000You can put people under NDA and mandate arbitration, but once you're in federal court, that's all public.
00:15:02.000Other than your social security number, your address, financial revenue records, you can redact confidential information, but you can't just say...
00:15:11.000The whole legal theory and allegations and everything can't be redacted.
00:15:14.000So the Second Circuit oral argument, where Randaz was there and the Miami Herald was there, they go, I mean, what are you talking about?
00:15:23.000So if you read the contemporaneous media coverage, which a lot of people didn't read at the time and they don't know how to look up, you can say oral argument says Miami Herald and Cernovich are going to get this.
00:15:33.000Then they arrest Epstein a couple days later when he's flying back.
00:15:36.000So if there isn't me and there isn't the Miami Herald, 100% he doesn't get indicted.
00:16:12.000No, I mean, I hate that question because everybody online is like, well, it's pretty normal for some people to get releases of information that they can go through.
00:16:24.000Like, why just release it online and then every random person can post some random thing out of context?
00:19:40.000I had heard something like that, too, and I think I saw on Alina Habba's Instagram that she just has boxes of files that are on their way back or something like that.
00:20:35.000That's what it seemed like to me when I read it.
00:20:36.000I mean, I guess there's at least an argument to say, hold on, considering the situation with the Epstein files and stuff so far.
00:20:43.000I wouldn't get super excited about this being the stuff coming out just because of the way that it's been kind of, you know, leaked out so far.
00:20:52.000I'll believe it when I see it, I guess.
00:20:55.000I think I kind of go with your take on what's going on, because they called this binder the Epstein Files Phase 1. Knowing that there's going to be more releases coming, they obviously didn't intend for this to be the final binder.
00:21:05.000And we were specifically told, I don't want to create drama like who did what and should they not have done things and I don't want to get into that whole conversation.
00:21:16.000I'll just say that I personally did not hype Anything as if it was coming out.
00:21:22.000And I specifically was telling people back channel that, hey, because in my own mind I knew what was going to happen.
00:21:34.000So what happens is, if one of the influencers gets invited to something like this, right?
00:21:39.000Obviously, I wasn't there yesterday, but I've been to kind of similar things within the White House, and I know the press team and some of the influencer people, etc.
00:21:45.000You know, there's an excitement from being there, right?
00:21:47.000There's an excitement to try to be first, to try to do this, to try to take the photo, all of that stuff.
00:21:52.000And I think that some people get caught up in that.
00:21:54.000It's a very natural and very easy thing to get caught up in.
00:21:57.000I've been in similar rooms with some of the people in that room.
00:22:02.000A lot of the conversation that was happening online that was attacking Cerno and that was attacking all these other people, and we talked about this, sometimes when you are dragged by other media personalities or pseudo-influencers or whatever on the internet, it sometimes just is jealousy.
00:22:58.000Everybody, the people who went after, that's the whole weird thing is, anybody who knows what I do knows that I don't live in scarcity, I live in abundance.
00:23:07.000So when I'm there, I was like, oh, where's the Federalist at?
00:23:10.000Oh, no, actually, Sean Davis is next door.
00:23:13.000Oh, the Daily Wire, they're going to be on Air Force One.
00:23:40.000Like, you know, save your smoke for the Democrats or criticize our actual political figures, yeah.
00:23:45.000But anytime, like, if I'm just going to be like, oh, well, Cerno did this or Tim Poole's this or whatever, it just reeks of jealousy and, like, scarcity.
00:23:52.000You just got to work every single day.
00:24:12.000That's kind of a right-wing thing, though.
00:24:14.000The left is kind of the group that are angry and upset when they see people that are successful, the jealousy kind of thing.
00:24:20.000You see that on the left all the time.
00:24:21.000On the right, you kind of have people that are more like, yeah, man, I want to be in that position, or I'm excited for them, I'm happy because I know he worked hard.
00:24:28.000That's just kind of something that is normal on the right.
00:24:37.000The correction, she should definitely clear that up there.
00:24:40.000There's literally a response from someone saying, where are the Epstein files, though, and why in the world did you and Pam Bondi go on TV?
00:24:45.000Say you saw them and that it was sick, but then we've seen nothing already.
00:24:48.000Yeah, that's where my mind went when I saw the answer, so corrections.
00:24:51.000And that's why I was cautious, but like Rob and I were talking about last night, one of the, the way the media world kind of went, is I remember 2015, 2016. Tim was still with another outlet.
00:25:07.000He was the early adopter to drones and 360. Me and Posobiec would embed with the rioters before anybody knew who we were.
00:25:15.000And we would take over their microphones and be like, hey, hey, ho, ho, Bill Clinton is a you-know-what.
00:25:20.000And people who weren't around then don't get it, but we had other stuff going on.
00:25:25.000And now with the people who are during their 20s and they're like, oh, I want to be an influencer.
00:25:30.000It became a career, so they're more motivated by covetousness and jealousy, whereas the people who are OGs, everybody was like, dude, we just stumbled into this world, you know?
00:26:25.000That the public reaction was so strong that they have to, that's where the 4D chest comes in.
00:26:30.000That maybe we were, and I don't want to say set up, because I don't feel like it was set up, but maybe they, the people knew that this would end the stonewalling at SDNY and at the FBI, and the people really want this stuff, right?
00:26:47.000So we're going to have to get something.
00:26:49.000My personal opinion is that, and this is where another criticism is like, oh, you're a...
00:26:54.000You know, you're covering up for Israel or whatever.
00:26:55.000Because there was an old clip where they were like, oh, it was a Mossad operation.
00:26:59.000And I go, guys, whatever it was was above whatever Mossad is.
00:27:03.000Because if it's Mossad, you couldn't talk about it.
00:27:08.000If you're allowed to talk about something, then that thing you're talking about is not really the thing that they're afraid of you talking about.
00:28:03.000Dude, it's something bigger, some superstructure.
00:28:06.000And this is what I think about with the 4D chess, you know, idea, right?
00:28:09.000You have to understand when you're doing this and you're kind of like in this game and you're being, you know, invited to do this or do that, whatever.
00:28:16.000It's like, think about the level to which you are useful, right?
00:28:19.000So you are being used in a certain way.
00:29:32.000A lot of these people who are mad are useless.
00:29:34.000And that's why nobody wants to deal with them.
00:29:36.000If you cannot be used, you are useless.
00:29:38.000The big story here is that the White House brought in prominent personalities in media who have bigger followings than a lot of corporate press to break a story.
00:29:48.000And the reaction online throughout the day was outrage over this.
00:30:16.000I could not do that if it was the New York Times walking out with these binders.
00:30:19.000We would have been sitting there being like, once again, the legacy media controlling the narrative.
00:30:23.000This time around, I was like, holy crap, my friend is telling me the inside scoop on this release.
00:30:28.000All right, so let me ask a question because I missed all this stuff.
00:30:31.000I was doing some other stuff yesterday when this happened.
00:30:33.000So everybody that was outraged, right, were these real, like, the regular people that consume our content and follows, right, like, were those people outraged or was it just people that are influencers or news people or whatever, right?
00:32:34.000Because, number one, not only are you going to inspire hatred from people that were not invited into the room, people are going to start questioning everything that you're putting up.
00:32:49.000I've been to a couple of meetings like this, literally since, what is it, about to be March?
00:32:53.000I've been to about two or three things of this this year, and there were opportunities to be photographed with certain people, and I declined.
00:32:58.000Because it's not personally right for me.
00:33:56.000The only reason he wasn't at that thing yesterday was the guy, and that's why I made a text intro, the guy was like, oh, I didn't even know Tim left West Virginia anymore.
00:34:06.000So in a way, it's a marketing failure because they're like, oh, Tim's got his thing and he doesn't travel anymore.
00:34:34.000But what I've noticed about spending more time in D.C. is that putting yourself in the mix is a part of all of this stuff.
00:34:41.000I've seen success in the stuff that I'm doing.
00:34:43.000Well, you've got to remind people what you do.
00:34:46.000I ran into a thing where I needed to hire a CFO for a company, and a good friend of mine had left his investment banking thing, and I didn't even know he did it because he didn't think to be like, hey, bro, I'm a free agent now.
00:35:58.000I think I was talking to Raheem because I'm about this.
00:36:01.000covering JD's trip to Munich in live tweeting that stuff and doing that stuff, that's a really, for me, like particularly on Twitter, a really effective use of Twitter.
00:36:11.000And I came up to D.C. and I was doing the hex of confirmation.
00:36:14.000I live tweeted it and there was all these protesters and all this stuff.
00:36:18.000And I got that stuff in real time on Twitter and that was awesome.
00:36:20.000Well, let's actually talk about the White House today.
00:36:23.000I mean, you were mentioning this earlier that you would have rather been at the White House today than yesterday.
00:36:26.000Yeah, so yesterday, during our briefing...
00:36:29.000We were told, because I was like, the influencer thing, I want to be in the room.
00:38:11.000The United States, essentially, their position is we want to have rights to the minerals and stuff, and so we want to have economic deterrence, basically, because if the United States has businesses in Ukraine, that will deter Putin from taking any more territory.
00:38:28.000It'll deter a war because the likelihood of having some kind of incident with Americans dying raises, and so that will be the deterrent.
00:38:41.000will happen behind closed doors so they can swear at each other, call each other's names, be aggressive, be angry.
00:38:46.000And then when you go ahead and talk to the actual press, everybody's kind of common chill.
00:38:51.000But Zelensky made the issue in front of the press.
00:38:55.000And that was a terrible move because Trump had already had a sour taste.
00:38:59.000Zelensky came to Pennsylvania and was campaigning for Joe Biden.
00:39:05.000So then to come to the new administration, I think this is the first time that Zelensky's met with President Trump, and to do that in front of the press and make an issue that's bad, it's a terrible way to try and force a change in policy when he knew that the United States had already made a decision it's a terrible way to try and force a change in policy when he knew that I do have a clip here.
00:39:26.000This is a very long one, so I don't know if it's the...
00:40:17.000Flabbergasted at Zelensky sitting down with the most powerful military, the utmost wealth, where he's in a position that if the U.S. says, I'm sorry, we're done, the war ends overnight, and he had the nerve to argue, you don't know what you're talking about, what reports have you seen, to J.D. Vance, instead of saying, I understand, I'm sorry, but please, please, we really do need your help.
00:40:39.000Let me know what you need, because we will do anything.
00:40:42.000This is a man who doesn't understand the position he's in.
00:40:46.000That moment where he said, and this was right before Trump went off, when he said, well, you know, you have a beautiful label, perhaps one day you'll see, perhaps one day you'll see.
00:43:05.000Kind of the most, I guess, swamp creature that was in the room, the most establishment guy in the room, and he still, right after Zelensky left, he was tweeting his support for what President Trump said.
00:43:18.000Most of the people that are upset with President Trump are either, one, ideologically possessed already, and no matter what happened, they were going to hate Trump, or they only saw the two-minute video, and they're basing their judgment based on only that.
00:43:57.000And I even posted something like trolley, because I went on to the alternative universe of CNN, and they're all going, well, today was a big victory for Putin.
00:44:04.000So then I posted something like, oh, was Zelensky under compromise from Putin?
00:44:09.000Because today clearly gave Putin a win, you know, using their language against them.
00:44:13.000Because that's how dumb these people on CNN are.
00:44:46.000This guy was an actor and a dancer, and he was on the Dancing with the Stars of Ukraine.
00:44:51.000He's playing a role, and he's been playing this role.
00:44:54.000And I think that the reason that he was so emboldened to act the way that he did today is because he's been propped up by all of the crooks that we just kicked out of DC.
00:45:04.000He has been propped up by these Democrats, he's been propped up by Hollywood, he's been propped up by the mainstream media that he was performing for.
00:45:10.000And so it was so kismet and so of the moment that we're in right now that this is what happened to him.
00:45:18.000And he crawled out of there with his tail between his life.
00:45:51.000But at the same time, you have to understand that from Putin's perspective, Ukraine cannot join NATO. That's been a sticking point, and the United States and the rest of NATO should say, no, Ukraine can't join NATO. We'll come up with other creative ways to ensure your...
00:46:08.000Security, but you can't join NATO. And that's the sticking point that Zelensky wants.
00:46:14.000They demand that Donald Trump disparage Vladimir Putin mid-negotiations.
00:46:38.000Don't underestimate him, don't disrespect him, because I'm trying to win favor.
00:46:41.000Zelensky doesn't seem to understand that.
00:46:42.000You can hate Donald Trump, you can think he's the dumbest guy in the world, and you're about to ask him for a hundred billion dollars, you kiss his ass.
00:46:48.000You get more fries with honey than you do with vinegar, right?
00:46:51.000The whole of the left wants to see someone that actually threatens Putin, but then doesn't actually do anything.
00:46:59.000They want the United States to talk the big talk, as opposed to speak softly and carry a big stick.
00:47:06.000They want to speak loudly and then not actually do anything to back it up.
00:47:20.000And real quick before I have to go here in a few, do you guys want to talk about a download of what was talked about and buried in all the lunacy and everything?
00:47:30.000So the foreign policy thing, there's a couple of things especially of interest to all of us, but Darren Beatty is dismantling the whole censorship complex within the State Department, which is amazing.
00:47:41.000Yeah, that was what was frustrating about yesterday is I had all these notes and I was ready to do this.
00:47:47.000And Putin did come up in the briefing, and the briefing was just very, like, re-politic, real politic, which is, hey, do you guys not know that Russia has more tactical nukes than any other country?
00:48:03.000And second to us, has more strategic news than anyone else.
00:48:06.000And do you know that Russia's actually very close to China?
00:48:09.000And that the closer that they get together, that means Russia has to intervene for China.
00:48:13.000So if China invades Taiwan, then Russia kind of has to get involved because China can call the tune to that.
00:48:19.000So maybe dealing with Putin as a rational actor, because this is a problem people have.
00:48:24.000It's easy for us to say, Putin is like a bad guy.
00:48:34.000That's where this childishness comes in with a lot of people in left-wing media, and unfortunately in the right-wing media is, great, you can vent your spleen.
00:48:43.000Because there was a lot of controversy about some people visiting the U.S. yesterday, and so I was like, thank God I missed that whole conversation because of this other nonsense.
00:48:51.000But there's like, people just act like they can just pretend somebody doesn't exist, and then you can vanish them, which you can't do.
00:49:01.000And then they act like a world leader is someone you can just ignore.
00:49:04.000And they don't think about, okay, so what if Russia gets closer to China, then China moves on Taiwan, Russia, China's calling the tune, so maybe it would be better for us to deal with Russia in a more responsible way because then that could, we have a stronger interest in Taiwan than we do Ukraine.
00:49:21.000So if you look at a rational foreign policy, you would say, okay, we'll get the minerals from Ukraine.
00:49:25.000We'll tell Putin, hey, you can have these eastern places anyway.
00:49:30.000They never even wanted to be part of Ukraine.
00:49:31.000That's why I hate the whole Putin invaded.
00:49:34.000Putin invaded places that were being bombed by the Azov Battalion, the Tornado Battalion, the militias were killing people who were ethnic Russian.
00:49:46.000This was all documented, but then we've got to pretend like history started in 2022. So, as a foreign policy thing, the Trump world is very adult.
00:49:54.000The adult is, is it going to make us safer, stronger, more prosperous?
00:49:59.000That was like, and people can give us a talking point, you know, whatever.
00:51:19.000As far as I can tell, 1989, Soviet Union falls.
00:51:22.000The oligarchs that split it up decided, Sevastopol, Crimea is too dangerous to give to the Russian Federation because we've got to nullify their power.
00:51:51.000Well, it's very interesting because before, you know, we started waving the yellow and blue flags for Ukraine a couple of years ago when we had to launder hundreds of billions of dollars, there was even articles in mainstream news outlets like the New York Times, et cetera, about how corrupt Ukraine was, about how it was a hotbed of corruption in all kinds of ways.
00:52:08.000And then, like you said, that stuff gets scrubbed, and so now, hey, let's all send hundreds of billions of dollars of our taxpayer money.
00:52:17.000Before we started talking about this today, I would say in the past four to six months, you would just wake up sometimes and be like, oh my god, we're still sending money there.
00:52:23.000You just read some news article about another $100 billion going there.
00:52:31.000They cut off economic funding to rebuild their electrical grid.
00:52:35.000Apparently every month they had to spend $100 billion to fix their grid or three weeks or two weeks or something.
00:52:41.000How many Ukrainians have already fled the country?
00:52:42.000Is that $20 million or some large number?
00:52:44.000So the real story that you won't Dan Crenshaw, who I don't want to bash because I feel like everybody does, and I... Dan has done good work on psychedelic research with veteran suicide.
00:53:08.000So for me, call me a sellout, but I handle the Dan situation with more delicacy than I would someone else.
00:53:14.000I think he deserves a little bit more grace than a lot of people.
00:55:07.000How controlled Twitter was, like how controlled social media was in the censorship world when this war first started.
00:55:13.000Because I remember, you know, you would see all the CNN, the New York Times, all the mainstream media, just this story about what was happening over there that just wasn't true.
00:55:21.000And I would just remember seeing sometimes videos of older men, like literally getting yanked off the street, shoved in the vans, being forced to fight when they obviously didn't want to fight this.
00:55:31.000So there was a story that was being sold to America about what was happening over there that was completely false.
00:55:49.000If you're telling me the propaganda line that I hear from all these neocons and former leftists and all these people who I think are saboteurs actually working for intelligence agencies, if you tell me that...
00:56:03.000The Ukrainian people want to fight the war, then they wouldn't have left the country and you wouldn't need a draft.
00:57:03.000I do know many of them are proud of that history.
00:57:05.000But it is dramatically different from the way we perceive the history of our country.
00:57:09.000So when someone storms into your nation, and your history is, for nearly a hundred years we were beaten down by a large oppressive force that starved our people, kidnapped our people, disregarded our people, and called our home the borderland.
00:57:24.000You have a, we just need to get out and take care of ourselves.
00:57:27.000The United States can keep supplying money.
00:57:31.000Longer than the Ukrainian people can supply fighting people.
00:57:36.000Like, you can literally kill, or the United States can literally fund more people than the Ukrainian has to go into the meat grinder.
00:57:44.000They have to do something to end this war.
00:57:46.000The question is, is Vladimir Putin, who is more likely to impose what we refer to as the Zep Brannigan military strategy of sending wave after wave of your own men to die until the enemy gives up?
00:58:05.000The big myth that we have in America is that America won World War II as Russian bodies won World War II. It was American steel and Russian blood that won.
00:58:15.000I love the story of World War II. The Russians mass-produced garbage weapons, but a lot of them.
00:58:23.000And so their weapons, notoriously, they break.
00:59:31.000But the only way that I can, even though analogies have a lot of affairs, the only way that I can try to ever explain Ukraine to normie Americans is I go, there's parts in El Paso, Texas that are almost all Mexican, right?
01:00:06.000So Zelensky, if you go back and read, and this is where the steelman case for Zelensky is actually, and this is what I truly believe, the Nazi militias were going to kill him.
01:00:16.000So he had to play ball in it, because if you look at what he ran under, he ran under peace with Russia.
01:00:20.000He really did try to bring Azov to justice.
01:00:23.000They put a lot of these tornado battalion peoples in prison.
01:00:26.000They let them out once the war broke out, which was another thing that was suppressed in Western media.
01:00:30.000And if you read the files, it was real horrific stuff that they were in for.
01:00:38.000My personal belief is that the oligarchs in Ukraine...
01:00:42.000Said, look, we can get rid of all the patriotic Ukrainians, send them off to die on a lie, and once it's time to rebuild, we get all this Western money, we'll have all the money to rebuild, and then all the people who left that are on podcasts and talking stuff, they'll all be project managers with little construction hats on, and they'll become little miniature oligarchs.
01:01:03.000But then we're the ones who are attacked.
01:01:06.000For saying that, even though if you lay out that logic like that, nobody can refute it.
01:01:11.000Literally nobody can refute that logic.
01:01:12.000I think one of the things about the Soviet Union and war was that they had bodies like Ukrainians, where they could just dump wave after wave of their own men.
01:01:20.000So I guess the question now is, although it does appear to be the Russian strategy of we'll just throw as many men as possible until we win, Ukraine might actually have the edge on that, considering...
01:01:32.000The people who wanted to live and didn't want to fight fled.
01:01:35.000And the country is literally just capturing elderly men and women to force them to the front lines.
01:01:41.000Zelensky is completely willing to sacrifice elderly men and women to force them to the front lines in a way that I don't know that Putin actually could maintain.
01:02:01.000But if we want to keep this fight up, the important point made is, it's not my opinion, other people deserve credit for this, is these people cheering on the war, these pro-war podcasts, they're basically saying, thank God we can sacrifice the Ukrainian lives so that they'll fight Putin and hurt him a little bit.
01:02:17.000I mean, just for information, Ukraine's population is estimated at 38,980,000.
01:02:32.000So, I mean, the number of Russians versus the number of Ukrainians is just...
01:02:37.000I mean, the numbers just don't work for Ukraine.
01:02:40.000I guess my point is I don't know that Putin would take a 20-year-old woman to go force him to fight.
01:02:46.000No, he wouldn't, but he's using the working-class conscripts.
01:02:49.000I mean, the way to criticize Putin is that...
01:02:54.000He hasn't tapped into the rich kids of Moscow yet, or even the middle class, and that's what he's trying to avoid.
01:03:00.000So if you're Dan Crenshaw and you wanted to actually make a better, more coherent point, instead of yelling at Glenn Greenwald...
01:03:07.000You would just say, look, Putin, if he has to tap in to the middle class kids and not the people who are in the caucus region and just poor farm kids, then he would face a lot of political pressure and maybe assassination pressure in Moscow.
01:03:20.000And that's a case to be made, but they don't even make that because I can think about these issues better than they can, which is unfortunate.
01:03:26.000And let's not forget that one of the things that Zelensky wanted, he wants American troops to get involved.
01:03:33.000And he's been pushing for that, and I was actually shocked.
01:03:36.000That he didn't get it from Biden as weak as that administration was.
01:03:39.000But that's what he wants, which would basically end up in World War III, which nobody wants, right?
01:03:45.000This withdrawing funding to their electric grid is a big deal.
01:03:50.000So we fund their military, and then next to that, the next most we spend on that country is rebuilding every two weeks their electric grid.
01:06:06.000We were just hanging out with Mike Cernovich, who was basically saying, what we saw yesterday, by all means, everybody's mad at these influencers for whatever reason.
01:06:52.000We think that we know that these people are whiny libs and leptists or whatever.
01:06:56.000There is this entire pipeline in mainstream media of these people.
01:06:59.000Even to when I was at Columbia and I was not even conservative at that point.
01:07:04.000I was kind of like independent asking questions because, surprise, surprise, I thought that's what you were supposed to do.
01:07:09.000In a J-School master's program, right?
01:07:12.000And the looks that I would get when you would just ask basic questions about immigration, etc., things that you weren't supposed to ask.
01:07:19.000And people do not understand that these people are literally taken from, you know, your Columbias, your Northwesterns, wherever, and they are in all of these newsrooms across the country.
01:09:13.000And the weird thing about me, even as somebody being the black guy that was out here doing all this, but I wasn't the black guy that thought the way that you were supposed to think.
01:09:22.000So they will talk about how diverse the press corps, like their little White House beat reporters or their press corps or whatever, they're all diverse and they're white and they're black and they're Asian and they're Latino and they're biracial and all these different things.
01:09:49.000Well, I mean, look, it's MSNBC making money off zombie carriage fees.
01:09:54.000And they're realizing it's not going to last.
01:09:55.000But I do warn people, these liberal podcasters are gaining tremendous traction.
01:10:00.000In fact, there was a period where, I think over the past week...
01:10:03.000The number one podcast in the world actually was a liberal anti-Trump podcast that surpassed Rogan briefly.
01:10:09.000What I will say about that is that now that they know that independent media is ascending, they will put corporate dollars and DIMM dollars and all of that stuff.
01:10:20.000They will fund these people to the level that if you're a conservative or Republican, independent journalist or whatever, you couldn't dream of getting the kind of support that they're going to be giving to these guys.
01:10:32.000When I'm talking to, like, the Majority Report people, and they keep running this narrative that we get behind-the-scenes corporate money and things like this.
01:10:48.000I think we, yesterday, we were the seventh biggest live show in the world and, simultaneously, the 26th biggest because we're on Rumble and YouTube.
01:10:57.000If you combine them both, we were number two.
01:10:59.000We've been able to sell ads for $50,000 for one read.
01:11:03.000That's not typical, it's not common, but sometimes you can make that money.
01:11:51.000So what we're going to see now, and I bring this up to say, in defense of many of these liberals, they are not, as much as David Pakman liked to run this segment where he claimed I, along with Milo, were accusing him of getting USAID money.
01:12:05.000No, I think they're making money off of clickbait political content that the people want and are looking for new venues to find it.
01:12:12.000And they're making a lot of money off programmatic ads and default sales, but they don't know how to run a media business the way meritocratically developed individuals do.
01:12:21.000So on the right, which includes liberals at this point, post-liberals and distracted liberals, you have people who built from the ground up, and largely on the left, you have a Democrat nonprofit bought ads.
01:12:37.000I'm not going to get specific, but you have a lot of political funding.
01:12:41.000And I'm not trying to accuse them of doing anything untoward, but a lot of the activist media...
01:12:56.000And they're doing this thing now where they will find these dim influencers that they're trying to prop a lot of money into, but then they connect them to mainstream media stuff.
01:13:06.000What is CBS this morning doing a segment on some dim influencers on TikTok?
01:14:14.000Who every day watched the news, voiced his opinions, built up a following, and became prominent through merit.
01:14:19.000It's worth noting that a lot of the people that are on the left, that the left seems to be trying to lift up people like Hassan Piker, who just again today was calling for the death of a public figure.
01:15:10.000But the New York Times has run stories saying the new Joe Rogan and things like this.
01:15:15.000And then these people from these stories get a million subs overnight and instantly become millionaires through the institutions empowering them.
01:15:25.000And to be fair, I'm not saying that every liberal ever has no merit and did not build their channel.
01:15:30.000I'm saying the tendency for the establishment left has been...
01:15:35.000Powerful voices were propped up by a corporate institution and on this side in spite of censorship we have clawed our way to our position.
01:15:44.000You brought up Don Lemon earlier, and I want to get back to that because he is the most pure example of somebody who literally does not know who he is when there's not a team of producers and a team of executives propping him up.
01:15:55.000He had the biggest platform for a decade plus.
01:17:34.000We're actual experts, and there is news value in that.
01:17:37.000There's value in that to the listener.
01:17:40.000Look, my podcast is a lot of off-the-cuff stuff about what I think, but I'm even transitioning that to do a little bit more news because that is what is of value to the viewer.
01:17:50.000I think that Megyn Kelly probably wouldn't be as extremely successful as she is if it was just, hey, I'm Megyn, and this is what I think every single day, right?
01:19:40.000Okay, so here's the thing about Meta and Facebook.
01:19:42.000So I got a Facebook page with like 600,000 followers or something like that, and I put a steady stream of content every single day.
01:19:49.000And this is what I say about Facebook.
01:19:51.000Facebook is like the Fox News of the internet for me, because all of those people, I used to do a lot of Fox, I still love Fox, used to do a lot of hits back in the day.
01:20:00.000I'm focusing energy on doing more things right now, but I do a lot of content on Facebook Meta, and All those people that are those older, we'll say 45 to 50 plus older conservative people, a lot of those people find me on Facebook.
01:20:15.000And they love the reaction videos to the Trump and Zelensky stuff today, the Joy Reid stuff, they love that stuff.
01:20:21.000But I do get a lot of libs that find that page, and a lot of libs find me on Instagram.
01:20:27.000I don't even read the comments on Instagram anymore, because they are so impotent right now.
01:20:34.000These people have literally zero power.
01:20:36.000They have no power in D.C. The power, even in the mainstream media, is waning, so all they can do is just scream.
01:22:24.000There's going to come a point where they say, hey, look, we've got $100 million left over, and Rachel Maddow's reaching no one.
01:22:30.000They're going to open up YouTube and be like, hey, this guy's getting 30 million views per month.
01:22:35.000What if we put his face on a billboard in every major city for $10 million and paid him $5 million cash to say what we want him to say?
01:22:42.000That podcast is going to say, yes, sir, tell me how high to jump.
01:22:46.000They're going to put their face on every major city.
01:22:48.000They're going to start telling all of the young people.
01:22:51.000One of the issues that I've been talking about quite a bit with everybody in the industry is ask yourself the question of why people listen to Bill Maher.
01:24:34.000We did this two years ago because we want to steal that from the institutions.
01:24:38.000That's what we bought in Times Square.
01:24:40.000If we do not, and I honestly don't know why people aren't doing it, democratic power structures are going to say, give us a list of 10 prominent liberal podcasters of any size, and we're going to spend $20 million.
01:24:53.000That's a pittance compared to what these powerful creepos have.
01:24:58.000Some billionaires, people like to talk about George Soros, they're going to say, Let's spend $20 million and see what our return is if we make these people ubiquitous.
01:25:05.000The goal will be a 16-year-old kid who's entering the political space, who is, he reads a lot, and he's charismatic, and he says, I want to be a personality.
01:25:16.000In his mind, he will say, clearly, the path to victory is a liberal podcaster because they're everywhere.
01:25:22.000They're on TV, they're on the billboards, they're in the skywriting campaigns.
01:25:25.000how do I get to that level where everyone knows my name too?
01:25:28.000It's going to be fabricated through infrastructure designed to win politics.
01:25:33.000Meanwhile, the independent element is largely just playing this game of share my show and I hope people hear about my name.
01:25:41.000So what I can tell you is the cost of outdoor ads has dropped dramatically because manufacturers and product companies like to do direct sales.
01:25:49.000This means that the typical marketing spaces of Ubiquiti, billboards along highways or in cities have become ridiculously cheap to the point.
01:25:59.000Where you can buy a couple dozen major 100-foot tall to 30-foot tall billboards for about $80,000 for six months.
01:26:13.000But if you're a media company on the right, and you're thinking about, okay, so how much for one month then, for like $10,000, you can have 20 billboards across a major city.
01:26:31.000So Times Square is actually not as expensive as people think.
01:26:35.000We bought the entire North Tower on New Year's.
01:26:39.000It was two weeks in December until New Year's Eve.
01:26:42.000So on New Year's 2023, the entire North Tower, except for two billboards, which is owned by M&M and Coke, said Timcast, all synchronized at once with all of our shows, and it was $200,000.
01:26:54.000And so, what we wanted, we bought a handful of ads that year.
01:26:58.000One was a 45-foot tall static billboard, meaning it's physical material, above the Today Show.
01:27:05.000So that every single journalist, every day as they walk into that building, they see my face above them.
01:27:10.000We want to, we need to make sure everybody sees and everybody knows.
01:27:23.000I was inundated with people sharing links with me from liberal podcasters and social media where they were freaking out at the fact that Timcast IRL was on a 100-foot-tall billboard in downtown Chicago on the side of a skyscraper.
01:27:38.000That in Times Square, the entire North Tower said Timcast.
01:27:41.000It was a statement for all of these people to recognize we are taking the space over.
01:27:49.000You do it in Times Square because you want the big advertisers to see your brand and say, that looks big, so that when, as I mentioned, the premium brand value of, say, Bill Maher, which he does have, we need to associate with our side of things.
01:28:02.000If we do not, the DNC's power structures are going to take people like, well, I'm not going to name anybody, I don't want to give anybody the airtime, but some of these big shows, they're going to prop them up, and they're going to start putting out metrics saying, Joe Rogan's not the biggest anymore.
01:28:18.000You might have already answered my question because I'm like, what's the next phase of war?
01:28:22.000And what I mean by in this instance of war is like the war being put, the co-opt of the American Republic by the business establishment, by this swamp.
01:28:32.000What's the next phase of the swamp monster?
01:29:08.000Disney lost a billion dollars a disaster.
01:29:10.000Culturally, they've been crushed, and they need to exert cultural dominance on the institutions.
01:29:16.000Losing this battle through independent media, through merit, is shocking, but it's largely because the structures they tried to maintain for the narrative are failing.
01:29:27.000Television and newspapers are no longer the principal way people consume information.
01:29:34.000When you see people like David Pakman and Kyle Kalinske and Brian Tyler Cohen, big liberal podcasters, complaining that they're not getting the big advertisers and the Democrats aren't supporting them, They are not wrong.
01:29:47.000These people have built big channels, they have big followers, they make millions of dollars.
01:29:50.000But they're not getting political institutional support.
01:30:42.000And that's why I've been warning for the past year, we need absolute control of the media infrastructure.
01:30:49.000It's great that Bezos is saying opinion section is going to change.
01:30:54.000He's recognizing the messaging failure in that regard.
01:30:57.000Probably the threat to himself, too, as a wealthy individual being chased after by Marxists.
01:31:01.000But my point is, and then you guys, you know, I'd love to hear what you guys think other moves they'll make is, I would not be surprised if this summer you see a liberal podcaster in every major city, on 30 billboards in every city, a $20 million campaign, not because...
01:31:24.000First, a powerful billionaire of liberal persuasion is going to reach out to a liberal podcaster and say, I'd like to buy a portion of your company.
01:31:35.000A report will come out saying a new media deal between some corporation with investment backed by this powerful billionaire recently purchased a minority stake in so-and-so's speech networks, which is owned by Insert Liberal Podcaster.
01:31:51.000They will then say, now that we're a minority owner, we want to invest $20 million in an ad campaign.
01:31:58.000You're going to see this person's face on the side of billboards.
01:32:00.000You're going to see it across highways.
01:32:02.000They're going to hire the best and biggest PR. They're going to write a book.
01:32:05.000They're going to buy 100,000 copies of their own book, and the New York Times is going to claim it's the number one bestseller.
01:32:09.000They're then going to put this person in movies.
01:32:11.000You'll see this in Iron Man, when Bill O'Reilly in Iron Man 2 is on the TV talking about Virginia pepper pots.
01:32:20.000They are going to try and inject culture, cultural ubiquity, through these individuals.
01:32:25.000To create the perception among the general public, they are Joe Rogan.
01:34:33.000And I think that there's a value to it sometimes, right?
01:34:35.000But I think the point that I'm making is, even with MSNBC, look, they know that these shows don't work, and they know that they will work less and less, so they're going to start gobbling some of these people up, and then the corporate structure that props up MSNBC and all that money, that stuff is going to go to some of these people as well.
01:34:52.000It's a nice question, and I'm not the biggest fan of Fox News as a whole.
01:35:09.000I think that, you know, not to speak out of school too much about, you know, how Fox does business, but I know that it's a very traditional TV model, and I know that with a lot of their shows, because I know that they, you know, being Fox talent is great, because, you know, they'll wrap the podcast up in it, and the book up in it,
01:35:24.000and all that stuff, but I think that The Five is just not set up that way, and I think that it has something to do with maybe Carriage, and all of that stuff, but it's just very, it's kind of, you know, it's such an established business model in LA. I was an actor in LA in 2005. 6, 7, 8, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And they wouldn't take headshots through email.
01:35:45.000It got to the point where I was like, why do I need to go spend 30 bucks to mail out...
01:35:49.000Things to people that take a day or a courier to get there when I can email it.
01:35:53.000And they're like, no, we don't take emails.
01:36:10.000So all these people on Instagram start blowing up and getting super famous and rich without having to wait for this extended old school process.
01:36:17.000And I think that even with some of the mainstream media outlets, I think that what I see in this industry, in this business, is that everything is going to start coming together, right?
01:36:26.000And we see it even in the conservative sort of influencer commentator space, right?
01:36:31.000Like we see some people that have maybe talked crap about CPAC in the past, and now they're at CPAC now speaking on the stage.
01:36:38.000So everything is kind of coming together, right?
01:36:40.000And so what I see happening with a lot of these networks, and just think about Fox, right?
01:36:46.000The numbers are going down across the board for all of these networks.
01:36:50.000And at a certain point, they're going to start looking and bringing in people from new media, from independent, whatever you want to call it.
01:36:58.000And eventually, what I hope happens with a behemoth like Fox, because, man, you ever been in a Fox?
01:37:04.000It is the best lighting you're ever going to get in your life.
01:37:16.000And when you get some of these people that have been kind of ubiquitous in this space, and you give them that corporate backing, that's what I think is going to start happening, but I don't think we're going to see that for another seven to ten years.
01:37:28.000Sorry, when I went on Jesse Waters recently, it's really amazing to watch how they do these shows live.
01:38:36.000For some people, you get to a certain point, and I will say this as an independent media personality, and I do my thing, and I make my money, and I make my rounds, right?
01:38:45.000Not as big as anything that's going on here, right?
01:38:48.000But there's going to be some people, you can live a nice life, and you can make a decent amount of money, and you can do your work, and you can speak your mind at a certain level, and then at a certain point, when your platform becomes big enough, and somebody's going to scoop you up.
01:39:02.000For, you know, one, two million dollars a year, you'll be like, hell, you know, why not?
01:39:08.000You know, maybe I've got a couple kids that, you know, at that point in time, maybe I want to spend a little bit more time with them.
01:39:14.000I just think about sort of the cycle in this business, in this industry, as you're somebody like me, because I don't personally have the desire to, like, run an operation like this.
01:39:32.000I like to read what their users are saying, what they're believing.
01:39:35.000And I can tell you there are liberal podcasts that have no problem lying, as we all can already imagine.
01:39:40.000Let me just say that an individual who is willing to publish a statement like, Trump has the lowest all-time approval, at a time when, in aggregate, and in each individual poll, he has the best polling of his career, an individual who would literally report the inversion of reality.
01:39:59.000We'll take a couple million dollars to report lies for a politician.
01:41:27.000The reason you need to provide the vaccine information is because if I go to someone and say, here's a video of Trump saying I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis, he now says, I saw the video.
01:41:38.000Trump said I'm not talking about them.
01:42:00.000And that was a part of my awakening, because I started doing all this stuff around 2018. And a part of how I built my brand in the earlier days was just literally as a journalist.
01:42:10.000And it wasn't even like super, super rah-rah pro-Trump.
01:42:13.000It was just like, wait a minute, these people are lying.
01:43:26.000We've been working hard behind the scenes.
01:43:28.000We're going to do some really awesome stuff.
01:43:29.000and we are going to push back and make sure, to the best of our abilities, that in the coming year or two, we will not let these institutions try and take over the space that we have hard fought and won through our talent and merit that they're going to try and invade.
01:43:46.000In the meantime, though, smash that like button.
01:43:47.000We got Quantum Strange Quark who says, Regarding the Epstein files, has anyone checked to see if the services that the FBI used to pick up the shredded classified material for final destruction are seeing an increase in business?
01:44:46.000And one of my favorite memes was a picture of a person smiling, and it says, me looking up from hell at the android I downloaded my consciousness into, living my life for me.
01:45:01.000The idea, like there are people that talk about, oh, you know, when they'll be able to do teleportation, when they can disassemble your body into individual atoms, transmit them at the speed of light, and then reassemble them.
01:45:13.000I'm like, there is no way that you're going to actually be alive after that process.
01:45:18.000And that is actually canon in Star Trek.
01:47:57.000We got William Jones as public affairs officer here in DOD. Guidance from Hegseth has all historically released information media regarding DEI to be deleted over the past 20 years.
01:48:12.000Maybe we want to preserve the records and archive them, but remove them from our structures.
01:48:18.000Same with USAID. That website came down the day they defunded it, or started looking into it, and Mike Benz was like, dude, I need that website for research.
01:48:28.000Well, actually, when they took it down, I don't know if it still is today, you had to directly go to the link.
01:48:36.000If you went to the actual website, it was dead.
01:48:38.000But if you had an old link, you could still get through to certain pages.
01:48:42.000You know, I think that, you know, sometimes people want to memory hole things.
01:48:46.000And I think that it's very easy to memory hole.
01:48:48.000And what this makes me think of, and obviously, like, my mind is going back to the early days of COVID, and I remember, like, watching Tucker every night, back in the Fox Tucker days, and, you know, just breaking stuff that nobody was breaking, saying things that nobody was saying.
01:49:00.000And I remember he is documenting this so that this moment in history and these things are documented, right?
01:50:37.000I'm not saying, like, actually, the Soviets produced pretty dang good, reliable, but the point was, during the Soviet era, their wars, they made really, really cheap weapons.
01:50:48.000Turns out the AK is pretty effective, and I'll just say, I don't know what the right word is.
01:51:05.000Not only that, part of the reason is because the tolerances are very loose.
01:51:10.000With an AR-15, the tolerances are very tight.
01:51:13.000Things have to be exactly the right size to fit together.
01:51:16.000With an AK-47, it's a stamped receiver.
01:51:18.000It's basically sheet metal bent into the right.
01:51:21.000And then all the pieces, they fit together, but they don't have to fit together very tight, so there's room for dirt and stuff to kind of fall out.
01:51:30.000There's a story, I believe it goes back to the French and English wars, I'm not entirely sure, where one side reduced the thickness of their bow strings and reduced the size of the notches in their arrows.
01:51:47.000The point was, when the enemy fired arrows at them, The notches were large enough to fit in their bowstrings and be fired back, so they could reload.
01:51:55.000But the arrows they fired could not be notched in the thick bowstrings, so they could not use them.
01:52:00.000The Soviets, for this reason, and I could be wrong about this, I just read some blogs on the internet, created the Makarov 9mm intentionally for that reason.
01:53:49.000It's the smallest of the live shows we do.
01:53:51.000We usually get between 7,000 and sometimes 15,000 concurrent viewers, whereas Timcast IRL routinely does 50,000 plus, and The Morning Show does 25,000 to 30,000.
01:54:03.000On Rumble, though, when we launch The Culture War, as it's a smaller show, we have more viewers initially on Rumble than we do on YouTube with The Culture War podcast.
01:54:15.000And it's because the Rumble audience is different from the YouTube audience.
01:54:20.000And they are looking for and hungry for content.
01:54:46.000I'm saying, when you start your show, whatever you're doing with music or gaming or politics, whatever it is, you obviously want to be on every platform.
01:54:52.000I guarantee you, right now, if you started a show and you were on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Apple, and X, Rumble's going to be your biggest audience.
01:55:00.000Even if you're looking at 100 views for a small new channel.
01:55:04.000So, we've got to pick that game up, my friends.
01:55:22.000Well, one of the big things I'm hoping for, and you know what happens is, I think a key for Rumble is going to be promoting new shows, making sure, like, this is so big.
01:55:34.000One of the biggest things about YouTube was something in the beginning called the Suggested User List.
01:55:59.000When you signed up for YouTube, YouTube would be like, look, we want you to stay on this page, so here's what we have available for you to choose from.
01:56:06.000And they would tell new users to follow certain individuals on YouTube.
01:56:10.000That was called the Suggested User List.
01:56:12.000There were people who did, like, nothing of merit, but they did post every day.
01:56:18.000So YouTube was like, well, this guy posts every day.
01:56:21.000At the time, YouTube was largely random videos like Charlie Bit My Finger.
01:56:25.000A family would upload a video to share with friends and family.
01:56:28.000Eventually, people started to emerge where they would record on a webcam and post every single day.
01:56:33.000YouTube then says, hey, this is consistent.
01:56:35.000Let's just tell people to follow these guys.
01:56:37.000Some of those people still exist to this day.
01:56:40.000Some 20 years later, millions of dollars simply for being there.
01:56:48.000A platform built for video podcasting is available to you on Rumble.
01:56:52.000And what I'm hoping for is that there will be some kind of algorithmic growth engine for new shows.
01:56:57.000Which will set the standard that if you want to make it in video podcasting, your fastest path to running a business and succeeding with an audience is going to be at Rumble instead.
01:57:06.000I think that's already true, but we need a faster, stronger mechanism for it.
01:57:10.000Yeah, like inter-site commercials where you can send people as a creator to all these new upcomings and stuff like that.
01:57:17.000Suggested user lists and things like that, which they may already have, but it's going to require some finesse.
01:57:33.000The promises made kept mantra sounds like Bush admin, I'll resolve all BS. I will say, you know, I talked to a handful of people who were there.
01:58:25.000Yeah, that's like, you know, someone said, here's my number, give me a call sometime.
01:58:28.000And it's rough because they're trying to do new things, right?
01:58:31.000In the White House press room, and they're trying to do new things with influencers.
01:58:35.000All of this stuff is very, very new, right?
01:58:37.000So, you know, when you're trying to do new things and you're cracking eggs, you know, you're going to, everything's not going to be perfect the first go-round.
01:58:44.000I want to summarize, though, basically, if you want, this is what the Epstein-Binder basically was.
01:59:30.000He said most people are concerned about the risks that we can't actually predict while ignoring the tremendous upsides, which we can to a degree.
02:01:05.000We're going to wrap things up, though.
02:01:06.000You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
02:01:10.000Rob, do you want to shout anything out?
02:01:12.000Yeah, you can follow me at RobSmithOnline, but listen, download CanCancelRobSmith, Apple Podcasts, iHeart Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.
02:01:21.000Got a fresh episode dropped just tonight.
02:01:23.000So if you like what you hear, if you like me, go hit up that podcast.
02:01:37.000What I would say to someone, actually Allison inspired me, what I would say to someone that plays that card in Magic where it's like, I just gotta get that one card to deck you.