Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump THREATENS 50% Tariff Increase After Market CHAOS, Tells China BACK OFF

00:01:07.000 Donald Trump is threatening a 50% increase on the tariffs against China.

00:01:13.000 This comes on the heels, or it came this morning, I believe, when the stock market has been going crazy.

00:01:21.000 It was up, it was down, and it ended kind of flat today, so we're going to discuss that.

00:01:27.000 We have information on Jaguar and, what is it, Volkswagen.

00:01:33.000 Both have decided to end imports, and they're holding their vehicles in, I believe they're holding them in customs and stuff because of the tariffs.

00:01:41.000 We've got a lot of stuff to talk about with the tariffs.

00:01:44.000 We've got some information.

00:01:46.000 Canada is saying that the new Prime Minister for Canada is saying that it's time for the friendship with the United States to be over.

00:01:54.000 I don't know that that's actually going to be the case because I hear he's walked it back since he made that remark over the weekend, but we'll talk about that.

00:02:01.000 Also, our good friends at Rumble and Rebel News have decided to sue the MP Sachs and others for conspiring to violate Canadians' free speech rights.

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00:04:21.000 So to talk about this and so much more, we have two guests today.

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00:05:29.000 What's up, Brett?

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00:05:38.000 All right, so the BBC reports, Donald Trump has threatened China with an additional tariff of 50% on goods imported to the U.S. if it does not withdraw, a countermeasure as global markets tumbled for a third day.

00:05:50.000 Speaking at the White House on Monday, U.S. President said that he was not considering a pause on new tariffs to allow for negotiations with other countries.

00:05:57.000 We're not looking at that.

00:05:59.000 We have many, many countries that are coming to negotiate deals with us, and they're going to be fair deals, he said.

00:06:04.000 Trump reiterated his threat of 50% duties on Chinese goods.

00:06:07.000 If Beijing did not retract its counter-tariff plans by Tuesday, if imposed U.S.

00:06:12.000 companies bringing in certain goods from China could face a 104%.

00:06:17.000 So, do you guys feel like there has been Well, I think Trump is a master of getting the other guy to

00:06:47.000 blink. I don't know him as well.

00:06:51.000 Look, I'm a foreigner, and I know from the Canadian point of view, he's put terror in the political class in Canada.

00:06:58.000 By the way, I think that's boosted the fortunes of Canada's Liberal Party, which is not something I think Trump wants for the long term.

00:07:06.000 But look, there's a volatility about him, and you can see the countries that want to mitigate that.

00:07:13.000 Taiwan, Israel, a lot of countries are saying...

00:07:16.000 We know how the story can end.

00:07:18.000 Let's just fix it right now.

00:07:19.000 I don't know.

00:07:20.000 I'm hopeful.

00:07:20.000 I'm hopeful that he knows what he's doing because it's pretty radical.

00:07:24.000 I take a pretty strong opinion on the fact this is the only way to get everybody in the negotiating table.

00:07:31.000 And he needed to do this in order to make America a lot better than it was.

00:07:38.000 As a Canadian, and Ezra knows this firsthand, Every industry in Canada is controlled by an oligopoly of a sort.

00:07:47.000 You have the telcos, there's only a few of them.

00:07:50.000 You have the banks, there's, you know, they'll make the argument, oh, the U.S. banks are there.

00:07:54.000 You walk down the street, there is no retail U.S. banks.

00:07:57.000 They're like Schedule II or Schedule B banks.

00:08:00.000 They're not part of the retail, the big five that are out in Canada.

00:08:04.000 But the Canadian banks, they're all over here.

00:08:06.000 You see TD, you see BMO, you see Scotia, you see RBC.

00:08:10.000 They're all in the United States. 1.00

00:08:12.000 But the U.S. banks are not...

00:08:13.000 If you're in the retail crowd in Canada, you're not going to be able...

00:08:17.000 You're not going to be getting a debit card from any of those U.S. banks in Canada.

00:08:20.000 And then you have the dairy industry.

00:08:22.000 Sapudos all over the United States.

00:08:24.000 They're nowhere...

00:08:26.000 You don't see any U.S. milk companies or cheese companies coming to Canada.

00:08:30.000 I think Canadians don't see that.

00:08:32.000 They don't understand that.

00:08:34.000 And in order to drive everybody to the negotiating table, you have to...

00:08:40.000 Do what Trump did.

00:08:41.000 I think it's brilliant.

00:08:42.000 I think it's the right move.

00:08:43.000 I think if you're in the interest of America, that's the right move.

00:08:48.000 You want to make a better deal with every single country out there because markets like Canada are closed to a very large extent, from telcos to media to banking.

00:08:57.000 There's no healthcare system.

00:08:59.000 That's owned by the government.

00:09:01.000 Even as small as, well, not small, but even the dairy industry and the food industry is...

00:09:08.000 Is so regulated in Canada, US companies aren't there.

00:09:11.000 So, this...

00:09:12.000 Gives the opportunity for America to make better deals for the American people.

00:09:16.000 And I think it brings a lot back home to America.

00:09:20.000 It's good for America. 0.74

00:09:21.000 It's not so good for the rest of the world and not so good for the very rich.

00:09:24.000 I have a question then.

00:09:25.000 So you said, do more countries need to come to the table before they start negotiating?

00:09:29.000 Is that something he's looking to do all at once?

00:09:32.000 Or is it not something that they can handle one country at a time, one negotiation at a time?

00:09:36.000 From what I can gather, he's not looking to do things individually.

00:09:41.000 He's looking to get a bunch of countries to the table, and actually we've got a bit of audio and video from Scott Bessette, the Secretary of the Treasury.

00:09:52.000 He was on Fox News, and we'll go ahead and play that now.

00:09:56.000 Let me jump this thing up. 0.66

00:09:59.000 Larry, I can tell you that there are 50, 60, maybe almost 70 countries now who have approached us.

00:10:06.000 So it's going to be a busy April, May, maybe into June.

00:10:11.000 And Japan is a very important military ally.

00:10:15.000 They're a very important economic ally.

00:10:17.000 And the U.S. has a lot of history with them.

00:10:21.000 So I would expect that Japan's going to get priority just because they came forward very quickly.

00:10:29.000 But it's going to be very busy.

00:10:32.000 And if President Trump, again, gave himself maximum negotiating leverage, and just when he achieved the maximum leverage, he's willing to start talking.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, and so apparently Netanyahu was at the White House today talking about the tariffs as well.

00:10:51.000 I believe they've decided that they're going to go zero for zero.

00:10:57.000 I don't get the sense that they're looking to do it piecemeal.

00:11:00.000 I think that because of the US relationship with Israel, they typically have a very close relationship.

00:11:06.000 So I think because of that, they might have made an exception for Israel.

00:11:09.000 They make exceptions for Israel all the time.

00:11:11.000 So I don't think that...

00:11:13.000 That's representative of how the Trump administration wants to act more broadly.

00:11:17.000 And he believes with large-scale leverage right now that he has the ability to do this, which is why I think the media, at least the corporate media, is working so hard to put pressure on them by announcing the downturn in the stock market and all these things because it's bad for globalist interests.

00:11:35.000 Yeah, I mean, if you look at the...

00:11:36.000 I don't have it here, but if you look at the results or the days numbers from most of the stock markets globally, they were mostly down by 5-10%, whereas the United States is like the only country that's flat. And I think that has a lot to do with the administration talking about a 90-day pause coming possibly, the whole buy the news or buy the rumor, sell the news kind of thing.

00:12:05.000 It's probably why they actually had the day that they did.

00:12:15.000 So, I mean, if they are, if they do have this many countries that are looking to have a conversation about it and actually ready to come to the table, do you guys think that this is, that, again, now, is that the time?

00:12:29.000 If they've got, you know, 70 countries is a lot of...

00:12:32.000 I think that's what Bessette wants.

00:12:34.000 He talks about having three categories of countries, right?

00:12:36.000 In like the green bucket, the yellow bucket, and the red bucket, and the green bucket are the countries that will be favorable to.

00:12:42.000 Red Bucket would be something like China. 0.98

00:12:44.000 So it seems like they're going towards that route to do one giant sweep.

00:12:48.000 But it's going to be more pain, I think, until we get there.

00:12:50.000 Yeah. Do you guys feel like that's going to be something that's going to happen quickly?

00:12:54.000 Or do you think that Trump has the wherewithal?

00:12:57.000 Or do you think that Congress will act?

00:13:01.000 Because technically, the president doesn't actually even have the authority to do this.

00:13:05.000 This is the...

00:13:06.000 The justification that he's using to actually have these tariffs or implement these tariffs is a little specious.

00:13:14.000 Congress is who is supposed to make, you know, add tariffs if there are, and Congress has threatened to act, and I'm wondering, considering the influence that the, you know, people with money have on the government in the United States, the people that are...

00:13:32.000 Hurting the most are the people that have stocks, as opposed to Gen Z, who doesn't really have a lot of skin in this game. 0.97

00:13:39.000 It's okay, boomers. 0.99

00:13:40.000 You're just going to have to cut back on the avocado toast.

00:13:43.000 I feel like that's millennials more than anything.

00:13:45.000 Sorry, you're going to have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

00:13:48.000 There you go.

00:13:52.000 It's interesting that the administration sounds like they're being very receptive to Japan.

00:13:57.000 There's probably some non-economic reasons for that, too.

00:14:01.000 Japan is probably the biggest bulwark, along with India, to China. 0.86

00:14:06.000 And I think one of the things Trump is trying to do is reorganize the world to make peace with Russia and then contain China.

00:14:13.000 And obviously, Japan's going to be a key to that.

00:14:15.000 I think of Canada, too, because believe it or not, the Canada-US trade relationship is even bigger.

00:14:21.000 I mean, you might not think of it that way, but it is.

00:14:23.000 And it's also a very free trade agreement.

00:14:27.000 Trouble is, in Canada right now, there's an election campaign on.

00:14:30.000 And so you're not having sober-minded negotiations on the other side.

00:14:34.000 In fact, it's turning into a bit of a contest of which Canadian politician can be, I hate to say it, the most anti-American.

00:14:41.000 And there's a deep strain of anti-Americanism in the Liberal Party to begin with.

00:14:46.000 And this goes back to...

00:14:47.000 Pierre Trudeau, who was pretty anti-American.

00:14:49.000 You remember he was hanging out with Fidel Castro and going to the Soviet Union, going to Communist China.

00:14:54.000 So I'm worried that right now you've got this new prime minister in Canada.

00:14:58.000 His name is Mark Carney.

00:15:00.000 I call him like Trudeau 2.0, but he's smarter and harder working than Trudeau.

00:15:04.000 And he's practically declaring war on America.

00:15:07.000 It's shocking.

00:15:08.000 I don't think it actually speaks for Canadians, and I don't want Americans to take Mark Carney too literally.

00:15:15.000 I hope this passes, but there's an ugly battle going on right now.

00:15:18.000 Isn't Carney like a career banker, too?

00:15:20.000 Like, has this passed?

00:15:21.000 Absolutely. In fact, he left Canada about a decade ago to go and be the governor of the Bank of England.

00:15:27.000 Right. And he's got three passports.

00:15:30.000 He hasn't been back in Canada in a decade, and he's sort of come back, and he became prime minister without an election.

00:15:36.000 Right. I remember seeing a Daily Show interview with him, and he billed himself as the outsider.

00:15:40.000 His signature is literally on the money.

00:15:45.000 He's so much of an outsider.

00:15:46.000 One of the things I find most interesting about Canada's response to everything to do with Trump is it's instilled this weirdly nationalistic sense in their celebrities and their politicians, which I didn't notice before.

00:15:57.000 But Canada as a whole has always done a good job of looking out for Canada itself.

00:16:02.000 If you look at the Canadian entertainment industry, they have quotas on how much music has to be played on a Canadian radio station.

00:16:09.000 I honestly believe that Trump would love that.

00:16:14.000 And he would actually love to do that in America because he has that same faith, that same love for America that they seem to want to instill in Canadians.

00:16:21.000 So it seems almost hypocritical when they...

00:16:25.000 ...boast themselves as being hyper-nationalistic now in response to Trump when I think that their general idea is something Trump would actually support just for Americans and not for Canadians.

00:16:34.000 Well, Chris talked a bit about some of the trade barriers.

00:16:37.000 I mean, you can't get a mortgage in an American bank.

00:16:39.000 You can't get a T-Mobile or you can't get a U.S. cell phone contract, which we need badly because in Canada we pay some of the highest cell phone data rates in the world.

00:16:51.000 We have huge protectionism for certain kinds of agriculture.

00:16:55.000 Dairy, poultry, eggs.

00:16:58.000 And you might think, who cares?

00:16:59.000 Well, that doubles or more the price of those things.

00:17:02.000 It hurts poor Canadians the most.

00:17:04.000 My hope is that some of the things that irritate Trump, that he's trying to negotiate away...

00:17:10.000 Are things Canada should get rid of anyways?

00:17:13.000 I want more competition in the banking sector.

00:17:16.000 I want more cell phone companies to bring down the rates.

00:17:18.000 And I don't think that we should have double the price for food.

00:17:22.000 If you want to talk about what helps working people, get the cost of food and fuel down.

00:17:28.000 So I'm hoping that one of the takeaways, one of the end games here is that Canada removes...

00:17:34.000 And you know what?

00:17:35.000 One thing that Trump talks about a lot?

00:17:37.000 Canada has one of the lowest expenditures on military ranked by our GDP in all of NATO.

00:17:44.000 You know that balloon?

00:17:46.000 It came over Canada before it went to the States.

00:17:49.000 We didn't take it down.

00:17:50.000 I don't know if we even could.

00:17:52.000 I think Trump is right when we say Canada's been having a free ride.

00:17:56.000 Now it hurts Canadians to hear that.

00:17:58.000 But Canada should do that for our own reasons.

00:18:01.000 Forget about Trump.

00:18:02.000 Canada should get more grown up about those things.

00:18:05.000 The military spending in Canada and what Canada's military actually looks like in reality has been a topic that we've discussed a couple times here.

00:18:14.000 The fact of the matter is, and this is...

00:18:17.000 Probably something that Canadians don't really want to hear, but Canada relies heavily on the United States military.

00:18:25.000 And it doesn't really have to do anything other than say, well, we don't have to worry about it because the U.S. is going to do it anyways.

00:18:32.000 The United States doesn't spend the amount of money that we spend on our military in order to protect Canada.

00:18:39.000 We do it because of the global implications, because we're the global hegemon.

00:18:44.000 And Canada just says, well, you know.

00:18:46.000 We're right next to the U.S., so we're safe.

00:18:49.000 And reasonably, that's a reasonable opinion.

00:18:53.000 And it is something that if Canada is going to move away from the United States, which there's, you know, we can actually bring this up right now.

00:19:03.000 The Canadian, Canada says its friendship with the U.S. is over now.

00:19:08.000 And I don't understand.

00:19:11.000 What it is that they're thinking is actually over.

00:19:15.000 But this is from Politico.

00:19:16.000 It's over.

00:19:17.000 After a century and a half of building an economic and military partnership that survived two world wars, the Great Depression, the Cold War and the 9-11 attacks, the United States and Canada are breaking up.

00:19:29.000 So said Prime Minister Mark Carney in a national televised address to 41 million Canadian citizens from Parliament Hill last week.

00:19:37.000 And it is almost all because of President Donald Trump's tariffs.

00:19:41.000 The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over.

00:19:50.000 Carney declared on March 27.

00:19:51.000 We must fundamentally reimagine our economy.

00:19:54.000 We will need to ensure that Canada can succeed in a drastically different.

00:19:58.000 world to me and again I don't want to sound condescending but that sounds like complete like sounds like it's completely and totally just posturing because Canada's proximity to the United States means that there they will forever have the ability to rely on the United States defense budget as its own defense budget to a great great extent and Canada is our biggest trading partner so the idea that they can just say well we're not going

00:20:27.000 I think that that...

00:20:31.000 That's a little outside of what you could consider reasonable.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, and just to add salt to the wound, I think like only a week or two weeks ago, China imposed agriculture tariffs on Canada of 100%.

00:20:42.000 Did they?

00:20:43.000 And Carney, I don't think Carney made even a comment.

00:20:45.000 He hasn't even said a word about it.

00:20:46.000 No one has in the Canadian, any of the Canadian politicians for that matter.

00:20:50.000 So it's in a direct assault to the United States all the time right now for... 0.69

00:20:57.000 Political purposes.

00:20:58.000 There's no benefit to talking about it for them.

00:21:00.000 100% tariffs.

00:21:02.000 Think about that.

00:21:03.000 To me, it makes my hair stand.

00:21:08.000 It really, genuinely upsets me.

00:21:10.000 And what he's talking about here is America over, however, two world wars, 9-11, all these things, the moment they start looking out for their own economic interests, we now have to cut bait and run away.

00:21:21.000 You know, what bugs me about this story is the headline, Canada Says.

00:21:25.000 Canada didn't say that.

00:21:26.000 A prime minister who's been PM for, what, two weeks?

00:21:30.000 And like I say, he's been away from Canada for a decade.

00:21:33.000 What did Mark Carney, and I know most of your viewers have never even heard that name before because he just sort of showed up and now he's speaking on behalf of all Canadians.

00:21:42.000 I'm saying our century and a half alliance is over. 0.96

00:21:45.000 Who the hell are you? 0.55

00:21:46.000 Do you think having a Trudeau 2.0 will do? 0.96

00:21:49.000 To Canada, what Biden did to this country and the population against it?

00:21:53.000 Worse because Trudeau 2.0 is smarter than Trudeau 2.1, 1.0.

00:21:58.000 But the thing is, who was this Mark Carney?

00:22:03.000 He was the chairman of something called Brookfield Capital, which is like a mini BlackRock.

00:22:08.000 Once you know that, and once you study what Mark Carney did for a decade...

00:22:13.000 China just put 100% tariff on Canada and Carney hasn't said a word.

00:22:20.000 Mark Carney, Canada's new prime minister, I'm talking weeks ago, took out an enormous quarter billion dollar loan for BlackRock from the Chinese government.

00:22:31.000 He's met with President Xi Jinping.

00:22:34.000 He says China is the future.

00:22:37.000 Carney has not actually sold off his holdings in Brookfield.

00:22:41.000 It would be like Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, decides to run for president but doesn't sell his stock.

00:22:48.000 Are you operating as an oligarch or are you operating as a president?

00:22:53.000 Ms. Mark Carney is so democratically illegitimate.

00:22:57.000 Give me 30 more seconds on that.

00:22:58.000 Sure, please.

00:22:59.000 Like I say, he was chosen as the leader of the liberals.

00:23:01.000 How? It wasn't voted on by ordinary Canadians.

00:23:04.000 The Liberal Party had an internal vote.

00:23:06.000 They allowed non-citizens to vote. 0.79

00:23:10.000 They allowed children as young as 14 to vote.

00:23:13.000 So you had 14-year-olds voting for Canada's new Prime Minister?

00:23:19.000 Is that brand new?

00:23:19.000 For the first time, 14-year-olds voting?

00:23:21.000 I don't know how the Liberal Party did it for Trudeau, but believe me, I paid attention to this.

00:23:26.000 Here's the crazy thing.

00:23:27.000 400,000 people registered to vote.

00:23:30.000 Only 150,000 of them were verified.

00:23:32.000 Who were the other 250,000?

00:23:34.000 When you've got more than half of the votes spoiled, you can't trust the result.

00:23:41.000 So you're saying we should conquer Canada?

00:23:42.000 You know what?

00:23:44.000 There's one more thing that I have a beef with in this political story.

00:23:47.000 It's not the tariffs that have made Canadians mad, in my view.

00:23:51.000 It's the indecent proposal.

00:23:53.000 When Trump says, hey, come join us.

00:23:56.000 That's like saying to a married woman, ditch your man and come with us. 1.00

00:23:59.000 It sort of wounds the pride.

00:24:01.000 It's an emotional hurt.

00:24:02.000 And I think what Trump meant is sort of a jab at Trudeau when he first said it.

00:24:07.000 I think too many Canadians are taking that literally.

00:24:09.000 And they feel, you know, like their pride is wounded.

00:24:13.000 How dare you say I should break up with my man and join America?

00:24:16.000 So I think that's actually has fueled a lot of the baby.

00:24:20.000 If you look at Carney's support, it's baby boomers who are insulted by that. 0.99

00:24:24.000 Indecent proposal.

00:24:25.000 Is the opposition to Carney, like the opposition party calling out the tariffs from China?

00:24:29.000 Like is that at least one side?

00:24:32.000 Yeah. That's crazy.

00:24:33.000 You're probably right.

00:24:34.000 There's a large portion of the population that doesn't understand that Trump's rhetoric works a specific way.

00:24:41.000 Whether he's looking to distract from one story and push something to somebody else, he knows how to get a rise out of people.

00:24:47.000 And a lot of the population, especially the boomers, don't understand that type of political tactic because they've been led into this false belief that you're supposed to be all polite in politics despite the fact that that's really a misnomer and hasn't been true for a very long time.

00:25:02.000 So, in a lot of ways, Trump's diplomacy can sometimes have a hiccup when it comes to the way he speaks because it may work politically if he's trying to, you know, push forth the big ask.

00:25:16.000 And something like that.

00:25:16.000 And he's got economic leverage, but as far as public support and getting people on your side, that can be a barrier.

00:25:22.000 It's just that most people that support him, they don't care anymore.

00:25:25.000 They're past caring about whether your feelings are hurt by someone's rhetoric.

00:25:29.000 It's a bunch of people.

00:25:30.000 If you're my age, and you're like, I was never going to own stock.

00:25:33.000 I was never going to own a home.

00:25:34.000 I do not care anymore.

00:25:36.000 The wailings of boomers don't matter to me. 1.00

00:25:39.000 I want somebody to fix this, or at least try something outside of the uniparty proper to do something about it.

00:25:45.000 The boomers are offended by the rhetoric.

00:25:47.000 Newer generations don't care as much.

00:25:49.000 In Canada, I think there's a lot of that.

00:25:52.000 Housing prices in Canada are twice what they are in America.

00:25:56.000 Try being a young person.

00:25:58.000 You have no chance.

00:25:59.000 Young people living with their folks until they're well into their 20s, even 30s.

00:26:03.000 That is normal in Canada.

00:26:05.000 Cost of living.

00:26:06.000 And we've had mass, mass migration.

00:26:09.000 It's just depressed wages.

00:26:11.000 Pushed up housing.

00:26:12.000 And so actually when Trump says, hey, become the cherished 51st state, I love how he says cherished.

00:26:19.000 Because when was the last time Ottawa said to certain Canadian provinces, we cherish you?

00:26:24.000 Like Trump knows what he's doing.

00:26:27.000 Young people were the most receptive to Trump's offer.

00:26:30.000 Young men in particular.

00:26:31.000 And, you know, let me just say this to my American friends.

00:26:36.000 I don't think you want...

00:26:37.000 Canada is the 51st state.

00:26:39.000 You're going to get another California in terms of the electoral college.

00:26:43.000 It's going to vote Democrat.

00:26:44.000 I don't know if you know this, but a quarter of our population speaks French and they insist on bilingualism.

00:26:49.000 Are you guys ready for that?

00:26:51.000 So I would say, look, let's get past this quarrel.

00:26:55.000 And there's actually, I think, Trump can get what he wants from Canada without a fight.

00:27:02.000 He negotiated in the last USMCA trade deal.

00:27:06.000 The oil sense.

00:27:07.000 I think that's really what Trump wants.

00:27:08.000 He wants defense, and he wants the oil.

00:27:11.000 And I think he can get both of those things without, you know, the 51st state business.

00:27:16.000 What if we just give you guys California, and we get the oil and the defense?

00:27:20.000 You'd have to give them the entire West Coast.

00:27:22.000 Yeah. You'd have to give them...

00:27:23.000 I mean, because...

00:27:25.000 Washington and Oregon are not considerably better politically than California.

00:27:31.000 And to be honest with you, Southern California, whereas the politics in California are terrible, I don't feel comfortable giving up California because that is some beautiful, beautiful, beautiful land.

00:27:41.000 The cities in California are terrible.

00:27:43.000 There's a lot of red areas in California.

00:27:44.000 We'll give them Sacramento.

00:27:47.000 I'm not comfortable giving up San Diego.

00:27:50.000 29 Palms is out there.

00:27:53.000 Go ahead.

00:27:53.000 Sure, sure.

00:27:54.000 Give me two minutes.

00:27:55.000 Sure, sure.

00:27:56.000 Why does Canada have such a big trade surplus with America?

00:28:00.000 Why is Trump...

00:28:01.000 He's mad about the trade surplus.

00:28:03.000 Because we sell you oil.

00:28:05.000 That's by far our largest export to you.

00:28:07.000 Why? Because America still imports foreign oil. 0.91

00:28:12.000 And my point is, it's better for you to buy Canadian oil, I call it ethical oil, rather than OPEC conflict oil.

00:28:19.000 I mean, if you have to spend...

00:28:21.000 50, 100 billion dollars a year on oil from someone.

00:28:24.000 Don't give it to the Qataris. 1.00

00:28:25.000 Don't give it to the Nigerians or Venezuelans. 0.96

00:28:27.000 Buy it from your friends in Canada.

00:28:29.000 First of all, you don't need to station the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf to act as, you know, Globocop.

00:28:38.000 The U.S. spends 50 billion dollars a year patrolling the Persian Gulf sea lanes.

00:28:44.000 How about just build that Keystone XL pipeline and get the oil from Canada without a fuss?

00:28:50.000 You'd save $50 billion a year just in your Pentagon.

00:28:54.000 And if you wanted to still mess around in foreign affairs, you could do so electively.

00:28:58.000 And all that dough, well, it could go to Canada, and then you could say, okay, Canada, we expect you to rejuvenate your military with this.

00:29:07.000 I don't think Canada needs to fight with the States.

00:29:10.000 And you put a tariff on that oil, it doesn't really make sense because you put tariffs on a factory.

00:29:16.000 Okay, you get the factory to move to America.

00:29:19.000 You put a tariff on Canada's oil sands.

00:29:21.000 That's where all the oil is.

00:29:22.000 You can't move the oil sands into America, so it's not really going to work.

00:29:26.000 It's just going to increase the price to those American refineries. 0.96

00:29:29.000 So I think you've got to think of it like a real estate mogul.

00:29:33.000 How would Donald Trump look at Canada with his America First real estate deal on?

00:29:39.000 He's talking about Greenland in sort of the same way, but the real action is those Alberta oil sands.

00:29:45.000 170 billion barrels worth of oil.

00:29:48.000 If you double the production of that and sell it to the states, you completely displace any other foreign oil imports to America.

00:29:57.000 It's a $10 or $12 or $13 trillion deal, depending on the price of oil.

00:30:02.000 50 years, America doesn't have to buy any foreign oil from anywhere else specifically.

00:30:09.000 Yeah. It's already free trade covered by the USMCA.

00:30:12.000 I think that's the deal of the century.

00:30:15.000 Bigger than Greenland.

00:30:16.000 And there are a lot of people that are talking about the electrical output of China is going to, I think they're going to go up by like, I think it's going to triple or quadruple over the next 20 or so years.

00:30:30.000 They're building a dam in China that's bigger than the Three Gorges dams and the output of that, just this one dam would be enough to power Germany.

00:30:40.000 And in the future, in the next 20-30 years with AI being possibly the leader of global tech and stuff, that is extremely energy intensive.

00:30:52.000 And in the United States, it's impossible to get any kind of significant generating I've heard a lot of people talking about nuclear power, which I think is great, but you're still talking about five to ten years if they just got rid of all the permitting and just rubber stamped everything and expedited everything, you're still not going to get any electricity out of a nuclear plant for at least Is that mostly because of red tape?

00:31:19.000 Yeah, if I understand correctly.

00:31:21.000 If you remove the red tape, how long does it take?

00:31:23.000 I think the construction is five years.

00:31:25.000 So to actually build the necessary infrastructure to...

00:31:30.000 Go and take care of a nuclear plant is something like five years.

00:31:34.000 And then with the red tape, I want to say it's like 10. But again, I'm not an expert.

00:31:38.000 This is just what I've read.

00:31:40.000 But even still, the U.S. is lagging behind China when it comes to power generation.

00:31:45.000 And Ezra, the stuff that you were talking about with oil production and stuff, that would be at least some help for actually generating power here because we still do a lot of coal-fired plants and stuff in the U.S.

00:31:59.000 And petroleum products are what a lot of our infrastructure runs on.

00:32:04.000 I mean, most – not most, but a lot of houses use just diesel fuel for heat.

00:32:08.000 You know, home heating oil.

00:32:09.000 They call it home heating oil.

00:32:10.000 But it's just diesel fuel with a dye in it.

00:32:19.000 Rumble and Rebel News sue MP Sachs and others for conspiring to violate free speech rights.

00:32:26.000 This is from Rumble.

00:32:28.000 Toronto, April 7th, 2025, Globe Newswire.

00:32:31.000 Rumble, Canada.

00:32:33.000 The high-growth video platform and cloud service provider has joined Rebel News Network and its founder, Ezra Levant, in suing the Government of Canada, Member of Canadian Parliament Yara Sachs, and other officials for conspiring to deprive them of their constitutional right to free expression.

00:32:48.000 The lawsuit filed today in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice alleges that the defendants unsuccessfully tried to block two lawful and peaceful public gatherings celebrating free speech in the Toronto area last year.

00:33:00.000 simply because they disagreed with the political points of view of the organizers and participants the suit alleges that the official Donald J. Trump So,

00:33:25.000 and 80 cents for the excessive security costs, $250,000 in punitive damages and legal expenses and have requested a trial Chris, tell me more!

00:33:35.000 Yeah, so we hosted an event with Ezra and Rebel News Live back in, was it the summer of last year?

00:33:43.000 And it was a great event, packed event, sold out event.

00:33:47.000 We had Viva Frey come out, we had Glenn Greenwald come out, we had Donald Trump Jr. come out, Kimberly Guilfoyle. 0.97

00:33:55.000 We had a great lineup.

00:33:57.000 And it was really just advocating free speech and promoting the Rumble shows, and it kind of dovetailed into the Rebel News Live event.

00:34:06.000 And we ran into some obstacles prior to the event, and from my point of view...

00:34:15.000 It was very odd and something didn't make sense.

00:34:20.000 And it wasn't until post-event that Ezra was able to unravel quite a bit.

00:34:27.000 And since he was behind a lot of the Freedom of Information requests and what he found, I'll let him take it from here and kind of explain what we found.

00:34:37.000 Sure, thanks.

00:34:38.000 Every year we do this fan gathering of our most enthusiastic viewers.

00:34:43.000 And there's never a problem, of course.

00:34:45.000 This year we held it at a venue that was on a former Canadian military base.

00:34:50.000 About 30 years ago it was an Army base or Air Force base.

00:34:52.000 Now it's sports venues, event venues.

00:34:55.000 I didn't think about that, but that's important.

00:34:57.000 Hold that thought for a second.

00:34:59.000 So we go ahead and we do a deal with the event venue and we add in, as we often do, a little free speech clause in the agreement saying you can't cancel us just because some people don't like us.

00:35:11.000 Because sometimes Antifa tries to shut us down.

00:35:15.000 So we signed this great contract.

00:35:16.000 We're all excited.

00:35:17.000 Sold out.

00:35:18.000 Wow, Don Jr.'s coming up to Canada.

00:35:20.000 But then the operator of the venue says, guys, I'm being told that you need an extra 40 grand in security.

00:35:29.000 What? There's no need for that.

00:35:31.000 That's insane.

00:35:32.000 We already have security.

00:35:33.000 Let's just add that we already spent a ton on security just for our own purposes.

00:35:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:39.000 We hired police.

00:35:41.000 We did everything that was required to do.

00:35:44.000 Some VIPs like Don Jr., but I mean, it was a very secure thing.

00:35:48.000 And 40 grand, like there's no way the conference would have been able to support that.

00:35:53.000 And the venue operator, he said it's the landlord, the underlying landlord, because it used to be a military base, it's still owned by the government of Canada.

00:36:05.000 So the government agency that owned like the substratum.

00:36:11.000 Heard about this event, and it was only later when we did Freedom of Information requests of this government landlord that we found hundreds and hundreds of pages of emails.

00:36:25.000 How do we stop this?

00:36:27.000 These are undesirables.

00:36:29.000 We've got to find something in the lease.

00:36:31.000 We checked the lease.

00:36:32.000 It's clean.

00:36:33.000 We can't get them that way.

00:36:34.000 We'll try this.

00:36:35.000 Okay, we'll say that there's protesters coming.

00:36:39.000 They put that stuff in emails?

00:36:41.000 They put it all in writing.

00:36:42.000 If you scroll down a little bit, it'll actually have some quotes.

00:36:46.000 If it happens on or near a property, we might attract an undesirable crowd, wrote one official in an email to colleagues.

00:36:52.000 I am wondering if you think there is any language within the lease agreement that would permit us to stop this event from happening, wrote another.

00:36:59.000 Based on my review, I don't think there is, but I would appreciate your opinion.

00:37:03.000 It's remarkable that they would put that in electronic communications at all.

00:37:08.000 Considering that you have something like a FOIA request in Canada.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, I was surprised you even had FOIA requests there.

00:37:14.000 Honestly, that kind of shocked me.

00:37:16.000 Legitimately. I don't think, like, this is the government agency that manages real estate for the government.

00:37:22.000 I don't think they get a lot of freedom of information requests.

00:37:25.000 Did you get pushback on the FOIAs?

00:37:27.000 No, well, actually, they blacked out most of them.

00:37:30.000 So what we see here is the stuff they're least ashamed of.

00:37:35.000 Oh my! 0.58

00:37:35.000 And the thing is, in the lawsuit, they will not be able to black out anything other than legally privileged material. 0.58

00:37:42.000 So if this is the tip of the iceberg, and then...

00:37:46.000 They kept saying to us, oh no, there's going to be this massive police threat.

00:37:50.000 We have freedom of information from the cops, who as late as the day before said we haven't heard anything.

00:37:57.000 Not even chatter.

00:37:59.000 All the Antifa types in the city were at the University of Toronto Hamas encampment. 0.96

00:38:04.000 They weren't going to schlep up to this military base.

00:38:07.000 So the whole thing was made up.

00:38:09.000 It was designed to get us to cancel the event.

00:38:12.000 And I gotta say, It would have worked, because Rebel News doesn't have an extra 40 grand kicking around for BS security.

00:38:19.000 But Rumble stepped up and said, this event's got to happen.

00:38:22.000 In the name of free speech, we can't be hounded out of Canada.

00:38:27.000 And so Rumble stepped up, and I was honestly of two minds.

00:38:31.000 On the one hand, I was thrilled the event went forward.

00:38:33.000 It was a great event.

00:38:34.000 But on the other hand, to pay a ransom was against my fiber.

00:38:41.000 But we found out what went on through these FOIA requests, and now we've named five different bureaucrats, plus the local member of parliament.

00:38:50.000 That would be like a local congressman saying, tear up that contract. 0.99

00:38:53.000 It's none of your damn business. 0.96

00:38:55.000 Was it finding out where it was located that made you look into it and want FOIA requests, knowing that it was government property? 0.98

00:39:02.000 I never even thought of that.

00:39:04.000 Like, who thinks about who owns the substratum when you're doing an event?

00:39:08.000 I never even thought of it.

00:39:09.000 It's called the Canada Lands Company.

00:39:11.000 I mean, I barely knew what they were.

00:39:14.000 But when they started making threats, our venue operator was scared.

00:39:17.000 They were bullying him.

00:39:19.000 He's a normie.

00:39:20.000 He's a normal guy.

00:39:21.000 He's not used to this.

00:39:22.000 When we had him sign this non-deplatforming agreement, I don't think he really knew.

00:39:28.000 What it would be like.

00:39:29.000 And when the government of Canada says, you cancel that!

00:39:34.000 And you're a normal guy, you get scared.

00:39:37.000 And only because of Rumble were we able to go through with it.

00:39:40.000 And the very last day of our event, the local member of parliament does this rant on Twitter about how we're racist and we're not allowed in the district. 0.97

00:39:50.000 Who the hell are you, lady? 1.00

00:39:52.000 So we'll have a chance to find out her answer to that question, who the hell are you? 0.98

00:39:55.000 Because we named her in the lawsuit. 1.00

00:39:56.000 I feel great about this.

00:39:58.000 And I'm giving Chris a shout out because there's no way we would have had the means to do this on our own.

00:40:05.000 And I know he's fighting for free speech in Brazil and in France and other semi-free countries.

00:40:11.000 I just never would have thought we need...

00:40:12.000 But this is what I said earlier.

00:40:13.000 We need the First Amendment in Canada.

00:40:15.000 That's something that I want to touch on.

00:40:17.000 But Chris, he mentioned that you've got multiple...

00:40:20.000 I know about the one in Brazil, right?

00:40:22.000 Because the Supreme Court of Brazil is coming down on Rumble because of people that you host, right?

00:40:28.000 Yeah, so Alexander, the Supreme Court Justice Alexander Moraes...

00:40:32.000 Yeah, the guy that dresses like he's from Star Wars.

00:40:35.000 Yeah, he went and shut us down in Brazil completely because we didn't censor...

00:40:43.000 It's actually, the story dates back many years ago, and we actually shut down Brazil and walked away from that market because they were telling us that we needed to take down craters, and we said no.

00:40:53.000 So at that moment, we decided, all right, you know, We're American.

00:40:57.000 We're based in Sarasota.

00:40:59.000 We're going to follow American law, not Brazilian law.

00:41:03.000 We're not going to be subject to Chinese law or North Korean law or Russian law.

00:41:07.000 Glenn Greenwald, he does a lot of his content on Rumble, and he's in Brazil, correct?

00:41:13.000 Yeah, but he broadcasts to an American audience.

00:41:15.000 The restriction they wanted us is to block in Brazil, of which we did not comply.

00:41:23.000 We ended up shutting down completely, and then They sent us a notice, and they said, you're allowed back in Brazil.

00:41:32.000 The notice that we sent you does not stand anymore.

00:41:38.000 And it was with respect to one of the creators, Monarch.

00:41:42.000 Didn't something like this happen with X in Brazil?

00:41:45.000 Yes. They took a completely different approach.

00:41:48.000 They're completely complying with the Brazilian government right now.

00:41:51.000 Whereas Elon withstood it for about a month and then caved and then ended up complying.

00:41:57.000 What we ended up doing is they sent us a letter saying monarchs allowed like this old order that we sent you is no longer valid and no longer needed to be enforced.

00:42:08.000 So we open up Brazil on Friday or Saturday.

00:42:11.000 Saturday morning.

00:42:12.000 By Sunday night, we get another letter saying, you need to shut down this guy now.

00:42:17.000 I'm trapped.

00:42:17.000 And we're like, we already opened up and we've already done this once.

00:42:22.000 And this was like, we decided to sue them.

00:42:26.000 In a U.S. court.

00:42:27.000 So we ended up filing for a TRO, an injunction, in a U.S. court.

00:42:34.000 And nevertheless, Justice Morea still pushed through on his courts to shut us down at the telco level in Brazil.

00:42:42.000 So we're completely inactive.

00:42:44.000 And he's fining us daily, I believe, in the Brazilian market for not...

00:42:52.000 He wanted us...

00:42:55.000 To provide data.

00:42:56.000 We're a U.S. company.

00:42:58.000 To provide data to him about a user that's in the United States.

00:43:02.000 And he wanted all the data from that user in the United States and all the subscribers and people watching him from within the United States.

00:43:11.000 And that's just totally not tolerable.

00:43:13.000 I believe that same request went out and they fined X for that, too.

00:43:19.000 I don't know what X's approach was on that.

00:43:22.000 But I know what our approach was.

00:43:24.000 We're like, go pound sand.

00:43:25.000 See you later.

00:43:26.000 We're not going to comply with this type of stuff.

00:43:29.000 So we've dealt with Brazil.

00:43:31.000 We're dealing with the same thing in the courts of France as well.

00:43:34.000 We're shut off in France, so we're not available in France.

00:43:37.000 And the French story is ironic.

00:43:43.000 Two years ago, we had every media organization write about how Rumble supports Russia and we're Russian puppets.

00:43:50.000 And about a year ago...

00:43:53.000 It's the standard line.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, it's the standard line all the time.

00:43:56.000 And it was because we wouldn't shut down, you know, political channels that were supportive of Russia because it didn't violate any of our policies.

00:44:08.000 And we told France, no.

00:44:10.000 So we shut down France.

00:44:11.000 And, you know, a year later, the Russians come to us to shut down channels and they end up shutting down Rumble entirely because we don't comply with the Russian request.

00:44:24.000 So that narrative of us being Russian puppets went... 0.96

00:44:27.000 Right to the garbage pretty quickly.

00:44:30.000 Meanwhile, YouTube was still functioning at the time in Russia, so obviously they were complying, and Rumble was not complying with the Kremlin, so I find that ironic.

00:44:41.000 And then now we've taken the battle to the Canadians up north with Rebel News, so we're pushing as much as we can.

00:44:49.000 We've also done a lot of work here on the legal front in the United States.

00:44:53.000 We fought Letitia James in New York State against one of her censorship Sure, sure.

00:45:09.000 it was something on the lines of moderation and forcing us to, you know, take requests.

00:45:16.000 I don't know the exact details, but it was like, it was something that definitely violated like, you know, the first amendment.

00:45:23.000 Sure. Sure.

00:45:24.000 And in, It was Rumble and the fire organization that fought back against the New York State.

00:45:31.000 And we won that, which was awesome.

00:45:32.000 And then she appealed, obviously.

00:45:34.000 Of course.

00:45:35.000 And then we did another one.

00:45:38.000 There's so many of them that we've been fighting.

00:45:40.000 But it's a battle.

00:45:42.000 And now the battle's in Canada.

00:45:44.000 I think we're at a real interesting juncture.

00:45:48.000 Worldwide politics, now that Trump has won the election, he's kind of resetting the game, and a lot of these, you know, I don't know what to call it, but like this globalist agenda that is around the world, from Canada to Brazil to France to Europe, They all kind of like, you know, have one set way of doing things that is very pro censorship, very anti free speech.

00:46:14.000 It's about grabbing as much control as possible.

00:46:17.000 Now there's like, you know, a real fight against that with the United States.

00:46:20.000 The United States is there's nothing more.

00:46:23.000 There's nothing more important than that constitution.

00:46:26.000 Like after seeing the whole world and having a you know, you might have a good constitution in other country, but you might not have a justice system that's defending it properly.

00:46:34.000 You actually have a justice system that is.

00:46:38.000 You know, the Supreme Court is making the right rulings around the First Amendment for the most part.

00:46:44.000 So that's really important.

00:46:46.000 But after seeing that in America and seeing how it is in the rest of the world, we don't realize how great it is here.

00:46:51.000 It is a fantastic thing.

00:46:53.000 And we need to push that.

00:46:56.000 And, you know, I do believe it's in the Canadian Bill of Rights.

00:47:00.000 It's one of the things we're...

00:47:01.000 But it's been trampled on and it's not being upheld.

00:47:03.000 So what is the actual, you know, the freedom of speech protection in Canada?

00:47:08.000 How's it worded and what's the backstory on it?

00:47:11.000 Section 2 of our Charter of Rights looks great.

00:47:15.000 Talks about freedom of thought, belief, faith, expression, media, freedom of association, freedom of assembly.

00:47:21.000 That all sounds great.

00:47:22.000 But Section 1...

00:47:24.000 ...says subject to such limitations as may be demonstrably justifiable.

00:47:29.000 So in Section 1 of your Constitution or your Bill of Rights, it says anything that follows this is all dependent on the state.

00:47:36.000 Section 1 says we reserve wiggle room, but other than the wiggle room, we really like these freedoms of speech.

00:47:45.000 So if the government can demonstrably justify their infringement, they can do it.

00:47:52.000 So we have...

00:47:54.000 A lovely freedom of the press until the government says, well, something's more important.

00:47:59.000 And we saw that during the pandemic.

00:48:02.000 We saw so many atrocious violations of civil liberties.

00:48:05.000 And the truckers, who were peaceful, by the way, they just honked their horns.

00:48:10.000 There were some parking violations, I grant you that.

00:48:12.000 And they honked their horns.

00:48:14.000 The Canadian government brought in martial law.

00:48:16.000 The Emergencies Act, which had not even been used during 9-11.

00:48:20.000 And they...

00:48:21.000 Deployed riot horses.

00:48:22.000 They seized bank accounts without legal process.

00:48:26.000 I believe that if we had a First Amendment, that wouldn't happen.

00:48:30.000 Now, by the way, later on, about a year later, our federal court said, okay, that was unconstitutional, even under the wiggle room charter.

00:48:39.000 Canada does not have the culture of freedom that Chris was talking about.

00:48:43.000 You've got to have that in your law schools, your law professors, your judges, your lawyers.

00:48:48.000 And it's such a battleground in America right now.

00:48:50.000 Like, who is the boss?

00:48:52.000 These district court judges are Donald Trump.

00:48:54.000 But it's not just Donald Trump.

00:48:56.000 It's Trump, the winner of the election.

00:48:58.000 Or can any one of 600 district judges veto him?

00:49:02.000 In some ways, that's more powerful than a Supreme Court judge, because they've got to work in packs of nine.

00:49:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:07.000 I mean, so to have that culture of freedom in your law is so important, and the bad guys have had a long march through the institutions.

00:49:16.000 Yeah, I mean, the articulation in the First Amendment in the United States where it says, Congress shall make no law, that is impactful.

00:49:25.000 And I think that most Americans don't think about how important that language is.

00:49:31.000 Because it's...

00:49:33.000 Our Constitution puts the people before the government.

00:49:37.000 And I don't know that...

00:49:39.000 I'm not familiar enough with other countries to say whether or not that's the case, but it sounds clearly like in Canada, the government gave itself room to...

00:49:49.000 To violate whatever laws and rulings it wanted right in the first clause.

00:49:54.000 And in the U.S., like I said, it says Congress shall make no law.

00:50:00.000 And that language is extremely important.

00:50:04.000 And the Patriot Act did a lot of damage to us as well.

00:50:07.000 Well, there's times where, yes, I agree completely.

00:50:09.000 And there's times where we've fallen short.

00:50:11.000 But we have generally been pretty good about correcting the errors as well.

00:50:16.000 That's another thing that I think that, again, I'm not, this is not in any way trying to say that any of the violations of our Constitution are okay, but by and large, we've been pretty good about correcting them.

00:50:30.000 There's a couple things that jumped to the top of my mind that they haven't managed to fix yet here in the U.S., like, for instance, civil asset forfeiture that goes against the due process clause.

00:50:41.000 the government can just take your stuff and say, well, we think that you're in the business of dealing drugs or whatever, so we're going to take your stuff.

00:50:50.000 And then instead of actually having a court case against you, they have a court case against your inanimate object stuff.

00:50:56.000 If you're traveling with cash, well, we can just take this.

00:50:59.000 And so that's one of the more egregious things.

00:51:02.000 But there really are only a few that don't get correct.

00:51:10.000 The Supreme Court saying that it's acceptable for Nazis to demonstrate in a mostly Jewish town, which is, you know, I don't think that, I'm not sure that that would stand today in the United States.

00:51:24.000 And I know that it wouldn't stand anywhere else in the world.

00:51:27.000 But those kind of precedents...

00:51:29.000 They matter here in the U.S. And like you said, it does speak to the culture that we have here.

00:51:34.000 I do think that there was a concerted effort after the Patriot Act was passed to remove that culture, not just in the institutions, but amongst the citizenry to get them, you know, what was the saying was always like, well, if you're not doing anything wrong, what the heck are you worried about?

00:51:48.000 And that was something that was instilled in whether it was millennials, you know, for the sake of safety and their parents and Gen X, that they wanted you to believe that, you know, in the name of safety, Getting rid of those founding principles is okay because we're the government.

00:52:02.000 We're not going to abuse it.

00:52:03.000 And that's something that I think they underestimated just how much the love of those beliefs truly did run in the country.

00:52:11.000 I hate that phrase because they always redefine what's wrong.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:14.000 They always move the goalposts.

00:52:15.000 And I remember seeing the breakdown in Canada with free expression during the compelled speech argument.

00:52:19.000 That was insane.

00:52:20.000 What was that, Bill C-16 or something?

00:52:22.000 17. Yeah, that was crazy.

00:52:24.000 How was that, dealing with that?

00:52:26.000 Well, that's getting worse than ever.

00:52:27.000 Really? And now judges are being trained in that.

00:52:31.000 So once the judges are being trained with that ideology, how do you even have a fair hearing?

00:52:35.000 The institutions are captured.

00:52:36.000 You know, can I tell you one of the things I love about America?

00:52:39.000 Of course.

00:52:40.000 It's a 1971 court case.

00:52:42.000 And in some ways, it feels like the apex of freedom of speech.

00:52:45.000 I'm going to swear here.

00:52:47.000 There was a fellow who went into a court. 1.00

00:52:49.000 In California with a shirt that said, fuck the draft. 0.99

00:52:54.000 And he was found in contempt, and it went all the way up to the Supreme Court. 1.00

00:53:00.000 And the Supreme Court said, you know, one man's profanity is another man's lyric.

00:53:04.000 They said he needed to say the F word, because that is what captured the depth of his emotions.

00:53:11.000 He didn't want to say, ew, excuse me, I do object to the draft. 1.00

00:53:14.000 He needed to say, no, fuck the draft. 0.99

00:53:18.000 And imagine a Supreme Court saying no to a lower court. 1.00

00:53:22.000 You must accept a man saying fuck the draft on his shirt. 0.99

00:53:25.000 That is so far out there, but isn't that America? 1.00

00:53:30.000 Ain't that America?

00:53:31.000 What is the Canadian public's view on these types of things?

00:53:34.000 As a whole, what does the citizenry feel of these types of things?

00:53:38.000 Do they care as much as Americans do? 0.99

00:53:39.000 I'm afraid that Canadians probably think, well, we're more polite, so we would not accept that. 0.98

00:53:47.000 Well, that's a soft tyranny.

00:53:49.000 I go to the UK from time to time.

00:53:51.000 I follow the case of a journalist and activist named Tommy Robinson, who is in solitary confinement right now because a judge ordered him not to post a video to Twitter, and he did anyways.

00:54:02.000 Nine months in solitary.

00:54:04.000 You're not supposed to spend nine months in solitary.

00:54:06.000 It'll drive you mad, which is what they're trying to do.

00:54:09.000 I come back every time, and I say, when I go to the UK...

00:54:13.000 It's like I've got this dystopian time machine.

00:54:16.000 I can see our future if we don't correct the path.

00:54:19.000 I say, well, we're five years down the road from the UK.

00:54:23.000 Maybe Americans are ten.

00:54:25.000 But I would, you know, the cases that Chris talked about in Brazil, maybe there's no way an American would say, well, that's just like us.

00:54:32.000 No, Brazil's hard to understand.

00:54:34.000 They speak a foreign language.

00:54:35.000 It's very far away.

00:54:36.000 You probably don't know anyone from Brazil.

00:54:38.000 But you know people from Canada.

00:54:40.000 You probably know people from the UK, and I would say study that.

00:54:44.000 Because I put it to you that the UK used to be wonderful for free speech, but it's eroding.

00:54:52.000 And there's a bunch of reasons for that.

00:54:54.000 The Times of London just did a study.

00:54:57.000 On average, every day of the week, 30 people in the UK are arrested for something they do on social media.

00:55:05.000 30 a day!

00:55:06.000 How far until America is there?

00:55:09.000 We were talking about this a little bit before the show, and you mentioned, or someone mentioned, that it's possible that not even 30 people in Russia are arrested per day.

00:55:19.000 In Russia.

00:55:20.000 For social media?

00:55:21.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:55:23.000 The UK, look, they've got some real issues of race.

00:55:27.000 Now, granted, in Russia, you know...

00:55:29.000 Putin kills people, so it's not to say that Russia's better than the UK.

00:55:34.000 The UK doesn't... 0.73

00:55:34.000 People poison themselves, I thought. 0.73

00:55:36.000 No, I don't believe it.

00:55:38.000 I think Putin's actually the culprit behind that stuff.

00:55:42.000 But it does speak to the...

00:55:44.000 The UK may be softer in its punishment, but it's not more lenient to people that break the rules.

00:55:55.000 If there was a Russian named...

00:55:59.000 I don't want the Russian of Tommy Robinson. 0.99

00:56:01.000 But if there's a Russian Tommy Robinson, a journalist, sentenced to nine months solitary confinement for putting a video on social media, I think he would be championed by Western civil rights groups.

00:56:13.000 No? Amnesty International, the like.

00:56:16.000 Why did we turn a blind eye to him?

00:56:18.000 But you don't have to pick Tommy Robinson.

00:56:20.000 I mentioned 30 a day.

00:56:22.000 Douglas Murray is spot on in the UK.

00:56:24.000 He says that there's some massive problems because of race and mass immigration.

00:56:28.000 And they have a phenomenon there called rape gangs that I don't want to talk about at length right now.

00:56:35.000 Douglas Murray says it's very difficult to talk about those primary problems, to fix those primary problems.

00:56:40.000 So the government prefers the secondary problem of people being rude and people being mean on social media.

00:56:45.000 It's easier to arrest someone who talks about a rape gang.

00:56:50.000 If I understand correctly, there are problems with policing the rape gangs because they're afraid of being called racist.

00:57:02.000 And some of the rape gangs have been in operation for upwards of a decade?

00:57:07.000 Is my understanding correct?

00:57:10.000 It is.

00:57:11.000 There's a city called Rotherham.

00:57:13.000 About 100,000 people, depends on how you measure the city.

00:57:16.000 100,000.

00:57:18.000 So there's 50,000 women in that town. 1.00

00:57:20.000 And then do the math.

00:57:21.000 How many women between a certain age? 1.00

00:57:24.000 1,400 girls were raped in that town.

00:57:27.000 1,400.

00:57:29.000 And they kept it under wraps for years.

00:57:32.000 And later there was a government inquiry.

00:57:34.000 How the hell did this go unreported?

00:57:36.000 And if you look, I read the report.

00:57:38.000 You can find it online.

00:57:39.000 Just type in Rotherham, R-O-T-H-E-R-H-A-M, inquiry.

00:57:43.000 Again and again.

00:57:44.000 The nurses, the social workers, the police, they all said, I was afraid I would be called racist because 80% of the rapists were Pakistani Muslim men and the girls were white working class girls.

00:57:58.000 So it was the perfect storm of political correctness.

00:58:00.000 If you complained about it, you would be called racist.

00:58:02.000 And so they didn't complain and thousands of girls were turned over. 1.00

00:58:07.000 ...to these rape gangs for years.

00:58:09.000 And you know what they're doing about that now is they're working with Netflix to make the show Adolescence available for everyone to watch there, despite the fact that it's taking one very specific issue and making it about something completely different, mainly what they call incels.

00:58:25.000 That thing is rife with problems of its own.

00:58:28.000 A 13-year-old kid...

00:58:29.000 ...is the subject of the show, and they're calling him an incel. 0.98

00:58:33.000 A 13-year-old kid has no business having sexual intercourse in the first place. 0.82

00:58:40.000 Incel means involuntary celibacy. 0.62

00:58:43.000 You should not be even hoisting that phrase on a kid, first of all.

00:58:48.000 And second of all, the kid was, in the story, the kid was being bullied by the woman, the girl that he killed.

00:58:56.000 So she was bullying the kid mercilessly. 0.93

00:58:58.000 That has nothing to do...

00:58:59.000 You avoided the central fact. 0.96

00:59:01.000 It's based on a black killer, and they made him white in the Netflix. 0.84

00:59:05.000 The creator of the show didn't specify any one incident, so that's not necessarily true, but you're right, but you're not...

00:59:13.000 Right. But the point is that Keir Starmer is making this a huge part of what's going on in Britain right now.

00:59:18.000 He's literally prescribed this.

00:59:19.000 Exactly. And what you're saying is that you're saying that they're focusing on one thing when what they should actually be focusing on is something else.

00:59:25.000 They're distracting you with this when the problem is something much, much different, much more easily defined, but much, much harder to talk about.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, it's tough over there.

00:59:37.000 You know, there was horrific stabbing in a town called Southport.

00:59:40.000 Someone went in to, it was a Taylor Swift themed party for young girls.

00:59:46.000 He went in and stabbed and stabbed and stabbed.

00:59:49.000 And it led to race riots.

00:59:51.000 Yes. And Keir Starmer, the prime minister who used to be the chief prosecutor of the UK, set up 24-hour-a-day courts to pack through as many people as possible.

01:00:01.000 No, no, I'm not talking about the stabber.

01:00:04.000 I'm talking about people who talked about it on social media.

01:00:07.000 And he was sentencing people to two years in prison for having a bigoted reaction to this stabbing by a Muslim convert.

01:00:18.000 You're not solving the original problem.

01:00:21.000 You're trying to mask it.

01:00:23.000 That's why I call it a dystopian time machine.

01:00:26.000 Look what's happening there and think, do I see the trend over here?

01:00:30.000 I feel it in Canada.

01:00:32.000 I can only imagine the places you deal with, how far it is down the line.

01:00:37.000 You know, Canada's an interesting place.

01:00:39.000 To answer your question a little earlier, I think there's a good base of Canadians that think very similarly to Americans.

01:00:47.000 I would say like 20%.

01:00:48.000 But when I start watching the political discourse in Canada now during this election that's coming up and watching the Conservative Party and then watching the Liberal Party and having a tough time knowing the difference, it makes me think maybe it's not 20%.

01:01:05.000 I don't know.

01:01:07.000 The trucker protests and all the previous things that have happened in Canada over the last four or five years, I think it's a good 15 to 20%.

01:01:16.000 Ezra, what would you say?

01:01:18.000 You know, and it depends on the region.

01:01:20.000 I'm originally from the west, from Alberta, which is sort of the Texas of Canada.

01:01:24.000 And it's very free-loving.

01:01:26.000 The provincial motto is strong and free.

01:01:29.000 Other parts of Canada, not so much.

01:01:31.000 I mean, I just wish we had more of that.

01:01:34.000 Rebellious nature, that revolutionary passion.

01:01:37.000 But remember that when you had your revolution, people who sided with the king, they moved north.

01:01:43.000 They were called United Empire Loyalists.

01:01:45.000 So there is a bit of a history of Canada being a little more submissive, a little more obedient.

01:01:51.000 And by the way, it's led to a wonderful country.

01:01:53.000 Canada is a pretty great...

01:01:55.000 But over the last 10 years especially, oh my God, have we made some wrong turns.

01:02:00.000 And I'm really worried about things.

01:02:02.000 I mean, personally, I've spent a lot of time in Canada.

01:02:04.000 I've been all over Canada, from Vancouver up to Nova Scotia, and probably been there 20 different times in my life.

01:02:13.000 I mean, I've toured and played in, you know...

01:02:17.000 From Thunder Bay to, you know, small little towns out in Saskatoon and Calgary and stuff.

01:02:23.000 And it really is very, very similar to the U.S. There was a time where I would say that Canada was like...

01:02:33.000 I guess like the U.S., it's very much like the Midwest.

01:02:37.000 If you're in Fargo or you're somewhere in Michigan or up in Minnesota or something, it's very, very similar.

01:02:48.000 You could be in Calgary and mistake yourself for being in the United States very, very easily if you weren't looking at the actual dollar bills, you know?

01:02:55.000 Wait, I'm from Minnesota.

01:02:56.000 Does that mean I was basically living in Canada the whole time and I didn't know about it?

01:02:59.000 It's similar, man.

01:03:00.000 It is similar.

01:03:02.000 My slur for Canadians, by the way, was frostback, if you're wondering.

01:03:06.000 I'm not saying you should call them that, but that's my slur for Canadians. 1.00

01:03:10.000 That's a great word.

01:03:12.000 But it's true.

01:03:14.000 Canada, it really is a great...

01:03:16.000 A great country and it's a lot of fun and the people are great and stuff and it does, you know, it is really rough to see things like, you know, being so, you know, deciding that freedom is not important and that's kind of the way, there was a time where people would say, oh, well, you know, it's for safety, etc.

01:03:35.000 And I think that, you know, me and Shane talked about this on the show a couple days ago.

01:03:40.000 One of the things that COVID did without saying, I mean, I hate to say that it actually did anything good, but it really did wake a lot of people up.

01:03:52.000 There are far more people that are skeptical of the government.

01:03:55.000 I think this is probably...

01:03:58.000 Globally, but definitely in the US, and I assume it's the same in Canada, that people are far more skeptical of the government.

01:04:06.000 And there are more people that are like, you know what?

01:04:08.000 No, it's really important that we speak our minds, especially when the government says we shouldn't.

01:04:14.000 And I do think that there...

01:04:15.000 I speak to my friends that are international, and whereas there was a time when they would look at me and some of my friends and be like, oh, you guys are kind of gun nuts and blah, blah, blah.

01:04:24.000 And there are a lot more people internationally that are far...

01:04:27.000 We're less critical of our Second Amendment now because of the way that some other countries have behaved.

01:04:35.000 If I go back to the very first thing we talked about, tariffs.

01:04:38.000 I don't know if you saw this, but Trump said to the UK, if you want a trade deal, free speech has to be part of it.

01:04:44.000 And if you remember when Keir Starmer, the British PM, met with Trump in the Oval Office, J.D. Vance said, hey, you're not respecting freedom of speech.

01:04:52.000 Sort of put Starmer on the back foot a bit.

01:04:55.000 My hope...

01:04:56.000 Is that Trump's trade wars aren't just about trade.

01:04:59.000 They're about checking the totalitarian instincts of other countries.

01:05:04.000 And I'd be very interested in what Chris thinks about Zuckerberg.

01:05:09.000 Because remember when he sort of had his conversion.

01:05:11.000 If you remember his public sort of statement.

01:05:16.000 Where he said he was going to lay off the fact checkers, where he said he was going to allow misgendering and other things.

01:05:22.000 There was one thing I remember him saying that really perked my ears up.

01:05:27.000 He said they were going to stand for freedom, not just in America, but Chris, he said, in other countries, with the help of the State Department.

01:05:35.000 Did you catch that part?

01:05:37.000 So that told me, because like you say, you operate in different countries, you've got to follow those laws of those different countries.

01:05:44.000 And Zuckerberg was really saying, I'm going to fight for freedom now, but I need the help of the State Department because a company cannot win a fight in another jurisdiction.

01:05:54.000 And so my prayer is that Donald Trump, with his audacious, you know, take on the whole world at once attitude, that one of the things he leaves the world with is stronger freedom.

01:06:05.000 If he did that, that would...

01:06:07.000 That would make him a great man of history.

01:06:09.000 I don't know if you think that's going to happen, Chris.

01:06:11.000 I can say unequivocally, there's not a single platform doing what we're doing outside of the United States, and it's not even close.

01:06:17.000 Not X, not Facebook, not anybody.

01:06:19.000 They are all capitulating to the other governments in a far...

01:06:24.000 in a much more way than we are.

01:06:28.000 Zuckerberg's rebrand felt like it was a fraud.

01:06:32.000 It's still early, let's hope, but...

01:06:36.000 It could be.

01:06:37.000 It could be just for business interests.

01:06:40.000 It could be for all kinds of different interests.

01:06:43.000 But definitely, from my perspective, from what I can see, it's unequivocal that none of these platforms are...

01:06:52.000 They're complying.

01:06:53.000 They're complying with Marais in Brazil.

01:06:55.000 Everyone is complying with Marais in Brazil.

01:06:58.000 They're paying their fines.

01:06:59.000 They're... Complying with censorship requests.

01:07:03.000 They're not doing anything.

01:07:05.000 It's happening in Turkey.

01:07:06.000 It's happening everywhere.

01:07:08.000 On Rumble, we don't.

01:07:10.000 Unless it violates our policy, if it violates our policy, we're taking it down.

01:07:16.000 But if it does not violate our policy, if it's political speech and it's just a perspective from someone else, that's not coming down.

01:07:23.000 And we'll pull out of your country faster than we'll pull it down. 1.00

01:07:26.000 We're not pulling it down.

01:07:27.000 But no other platform is doing it, unfortunately.

01:07:30.000 I still think it's early in terms of the State Department to, let's say, Meta or X or these other platforms to follow and follow the lead of the State Department and then putting pressure on governments to move a certain way.

01:07:42.000 I still think it's early, so we can hope that things will change with these other platforms.

01:07:47.000 As of right now, it has not happened.

01:07:49.000 Do you have any...

01:07:51.000 Do you feel like you're getting help from the State Department or have you been in contact with anyone at State about these lawsuits and stuff?

01:07:59.000 I definitely feel like there's definitely a lot of help compared to what we've ever had.

01:08:06.000 In terms of them being concerned and hearing what we have to say, it's only been a couple months, right?

01:08:17.000 You've heard their public statements.

01:08:20.000 They've made great public statements already.

01:08:22.000 They've made even executive orders.

01:08:24.000 In my opinion, I think...

01:08:28.000 For the first two months, they've done quite a bit, and I'm very happy with what I'm seeing, and that's why I want to give it more time for these other companies before passing judgment on them.

01:08:38.000 I can say that they haven't done anything yet, but...

01:08:41.000 He just looks inauthentic to me.

01:08:43.000 When I hear him talk, I don't believe anything he says.

01:08:45.000 And I'm willing to give him grace.

01:08:46.000 You just don't like him because you think he's a robot.

01:08:48.000 I don't trust cyborgs.

01:08:49.000 You don't?

01:08:49.000 I knew you were going to say that!

01:08:50.000 I like that he says these things, but there's a lot of people who have been locked out of their accounts and still haven't been opened up.

01:08:55.000 Yeah, no, there's definitely...

01:08:58.000 Platforms haven't moved much at all, if any, from my opinion.

01:09:02.000 But also, I don't feel like the rest of the world is in the position to accept free speech in more of a way than they were six months ago.

01:09:11.000 But I do see the markings from this administration that are incredibly helpful.

01:09:19.000 For Rumble and for pushing free speech.

01:09:21.000 There's been pressure with the Brazilian government.

01:09:23.000 The U.S. Embassy came out in defense.

01:09:26.000 The Congress came out in their defense.

01:09:28.000 That was awesome to see.

01:09:30.000 All the branches of the U.S. government were like...

01:09:35.000 Against any type of censorship by Brazil.

01:09:39.000 We didn't have that kind of air support back a year ago.

01:09:43.000 You have a platform of dissenting voices.

01:09:44.000 That's usually a threat to all these governments.

01:09:47.000 To Ezra's point earlier, we were talking about the person that owned the land that you were doing the stuff on.

01:09:56.000 When the Canadian government, you know, kind of leans in, it tends to move people because just the fact that the Canadian government is paying attention, like that matters.

01:10:07.000 And I can only imagine, and you hear people talk about this when they actually have to go up against the U.S.

01:10:12.000 government, the federal government of the United States of America, when they say things, countries move.

01:10:20.000 Countries respond because whether or not, you know, whatever some politician says on TV and in a speech or whatever, that's one thing.

01:10:42.000 They don't have to threaten anything.

01:10:44.000 Generally, they don't have to say, oh, we're going to hit you with sanctions or we're going to do this or blah, blah, blah.

01:10:49.000 Just the United States State Department calling and saying, it is the position of the United States of America that such and such, that.

01:10:58.000 Actually does produce results for a vast number of different topics.

01:11:04.000 And that's all a company like Rumble wants.

01:11:07.000 We're not dependent.

01:11:08.000 We don't want to be dependent on a government.

01:11:10.000 We don't want to force the government to do anything.

01:11:12.000 When it comes to a specific value like the First Amendment...

01:11:16.000 Say it out loud to the rest of the world.

01:11:18.000 And we'll try to expand in those markets where that's appreciated.

01:11:22.000 And unfortunately, it's not very appreciated in much of the world.

01:11:27.000 But it's finally nice to have a government and an administration and power that's actually saying it out loud.

01:11:35.000 And that's all I can ask for.

01:11:37.000 And there's a trade element to that, too.

01:11:39.000 Because, of course, Rumble is not just...

01:11:41.000 A free speech principle, it's a company.

01:11:43.000 Yes. And, you know, in Canada, a bill was moving through our parliament until parliament was dissolved called the Online Harms Act.

01:11:53.000 And it would have applied to Rumble and YouTube and Twitter and all these.

01:11:57.000 And it would have required...

01:12:00.000 24-hour takedown notices.

01:12:02.000 Like, if you didn't take something down within 24 hours, you would be subject to fines as much as 8% of your global revenues.

01:12:09.000 Insane! Obviously, that's an attack on an American company.

01:12:13.000 It's not just an attack on what's going on in Canada.

01:12:16.000 But if they 8% fine based on your global revenues, how is that the business of the Canadian government to tax you on money you make in America?

01:12:25.000 So... I think there is a free speech nobility argument, but there's also, I mean, how many social media companies were created and started in Europe?

01:12:36.000 I can't think of any.

01:12:38.000 TikTok's in China, but the rest are American, really.

01:12:41.000 I mean, Rumble started in Canada.

01:12:43.000 It's American headquarters now.

01:12:45.000 And that is, I mean, it's sort of like the intellectual property.

01:12:50.000 It's not just a noble idea, but it's the business of Hollywood.

01:12:54.000 And so when America fights against counterfeits in China, it's dollars and cents things, too.

01:12:59.000 We can probably see that clearly.

01:13:01.000 But when Rumble fights for freedom in Brazil, it's about American prosperity.

01:13:08.000 It's not just about free speech.

01:13:10.000 That's what I like about Trump, is for the first time in years, you got an American president standing up and saying, we want some respect, too.

01:13:18.000 We want respect and prosperity.

01:13:20.000 And because Biden...

01:13:22.000 Let everyone in the world walk over him.

01:13:24.000 And it was painful to watch as an Americophile, just to see how this, it felt like an old warrior was tired, and it felt like a lion was running out of energy and the jackals were nipping it.

01:13:39.000 And you say, lion, get up and roar!

01:13:41.000 And the lion was sort of sickly. 0.92

01:13:44.000 And now the lion's roaring at every damn thing and people don't understand what it means, but it's a pleasure to see the jackals on the back foot. 0.78

01:13:50.000 Yeah. So last week we had a friend of the show, and I'm sure you actually know who he is, Carl Benjamin from the UK. 0.66

01:13:59.000 Great, great guy.

01:14:01.000 I consider him a friend.

01:14:02.000 He's actually the guy that led me to Tim's podcast and stuff.

01:14:08.000 I was watching Carl's stuff probably 10, 15 years ago.

01:14:12.000 But he was here, and we were talking about how the relationship with the UK, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, how that really is special and important, like the relationship of these five countries.

01:14:26.000 We all kind of have the same genesis from the UK, and I think that on the global scale, the world is better when we remember the common ground that we have.

01:14:41.000 From my perspective, I look at the United States as the fulfillment of...

01:14:46.000 I look at the United States Constitution as the fulfillment of what was started with the Magna Carta 500 years ago in the UK.

01:14:54.000 Or maybe 600 years, I'm not sure exactly.

01:14:56.000 But anyways, we're all familiar with the Magna Carta.

01:14:58.000 It was the first time that subjects were said no, made a statement, we're not subjects, and you actually have to listen to us.

01:15:08.000 And that...

01:15:09.000 That kind of idea then progressed and progressed and progressed through English common law.

01:15:14.000 And then when the United States was formed, the Constitution that we wrote here really was the fulfillment of that promise.

01:15:22.000 And I think that that's something that's valuable not just to the United States, but to Canada and to the UK and to Australia and to New Zealand, to the countries that are, you know, brothers on planet Earth.

01:15:39.000 I think that the Canadian Prime Minister,

01:16:04.000 who was, you know, Who is installed. 0.95

01:16:10.000 I think that he's ridiculous to even make that comment.

01:16:14.000 And the idea that Canada should make a shift towards China, I think that's not just a mistake for Canada, but it's also a mistake for the world.

01:16:28.000 Because I think that the United States and Canada and England and Australia, I think that...

01:16:36.000 Our relationship is so much deeper than just economics and trade deals.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, but right now, I think a lot of people believe that...

01:16:46.000 Oh yeah, but me?

01:16:47.000 The liberal economic order has seen that the US has been taken advantage of gratuitously, both militarily, economically, and the moment they tried to push back on anything like that, suddenly it's not fair to look after your own self-interest.

01:17:01.000 And you mentioned Biden, and it felt like America was being walked all over.

01:17:04.000 That's gone on far longer than that.

01:17:07.000 Like maybe there was a respite in 2016 when Trump was pushing back against NATO and the UN and all of these things.

01:17:15.000 And my generation hadn't heard of it.

01:17:16.000 anything like that.

01:17:17.000 It's not like that was ever a focus of discussion during the Obama years or even really the Clinton years.

01:17:24.000 In a lot of ways, America has been used by the rest of the world, and people aren't really aware of just how much bargaining power an economy the size of America has, a military the size of America has.

01:17:36.000 And when they start to push back, they start calling it bullying.

01:17:39.000 That's why so much of the media frames what America's doing right now as bullying.

01:17:43.000 No, self-interest isn't bullying.

01:17:46.000 And right now, everybody's trying to figure out where everything stands with a country that's no longer alive.

01:17:52.000 My bigger concern is that, you know, depending on how Americans take this, and certainly the media is doing its best to frame what's going on right now negatively to try and shift public perspective.

01:18:03.000 I mean, we were talking recently, I saw something earlier, there's a sign out front of like one of the buildings around here where it's like a stop sign to stop Musk on it.

01:18:11.000 I saw somebody put it in Slack, but that's been there for over a month now.

01:18:14.000 So they're trying to shift public perspective to try and get somebody else in office that offers – they want a Democrat in office in the next election cycle.

01:18:24.000 And then everything starts over again and we're right back where we started.

01:18:28.000 And I don't know if there's a way to fix that so simply.

01:18:31.000 And I think the bigger problem here is that what we're seeing is a pushback from globalist interests on an America that's just trying to actually take care of itself and fix the problems that have been festering for decades and decades and decades.

01:18:53.000 But a lot of that is on the foreign aid side, the National Endowment for Peace or whatever.

01:19:00.000 I can't even remember all the names of these different groups.

01:19:03.000 Well, that money is spent around the world.

01:19:05.000 It's spent in my country, too.

01:19:07.000 So the insanity that's based in America, it's tentacles around the world. 0.98

01:19:14.000 Elon Musk explains how George Soros leverages.

01:19:16.000 He puts in a little bit of his own dough, but he gets an enormous amount of money from the government for these NGOs.

01:19:23.000 That has impacts in Canada, throughout Europe.

01:19:27.000 One of my favorite things is how when these are shut down in America, suddenly the most insane projects around the world say we're out of dough.

01:19:35.000 And what a pleasure that is.

01:19:36.000 So the anger from those people is the death rattle of the money faucet being turned on.

01:19:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:41.000 And suddenly we realized we were living with sort of a false consciousness.

01:19:44.000 We thought, oh, that was just part of the political landscape of Canada.

01:19:48.000 Like, it's not even the third world.

01:19:49.000 You're colonizing the politics of places like Canada, the UK, and France.

01:19:55.000 And we didn't realize how much, maybe we felt surrounded by bad guys.

01:19:58.000 It was just the same NGOs from the same pocket.

01:20:02.000 I don't know.

01:20:03.000 I'm excited about paring that back.

01:20:06.000 It's like cleaning the barnacles off a ship that's been at sea for decades, and suddenly the ship glides in the water so much more smoothly.

01:20:15.000 Yeah, and the rest of the world will benefit from that too, I tell you.

01:20:21.000 Why don't we jump to this story here?

01:20:23.000 The Supreme Court lifts order blocking Trump from deporting Venezuelans under the Alien Enemies Act.

01:20:30.000 From the Hill, the Supreme Court vacated a judge's order temporarily blocking the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemies Act.

01:20:39.000 ...to deport Venezuelans, enabling the administration to resume removals under the wartime powers.

01:20:44.000 The matter before the Supreme Court was not whether the Trump administration properly used its wartime power to expel those it has accused of being gang members, but from where those challenging their removal must launch their suits.

01:20:55.000 While the order requires those challenging Trump to use the Alien Enemies Act to do so in Texas, where they are being detained, the court dealt a blow to the Trump administration's swift removal of migrants without hearings.

01:21:07.000 The court said Venezuela So, the long and short of it is there had been an injunction and the Supreme Court has, I mean, there's multiple cases that are actually need the Supreme Court to make a ruling on.

01:21:35.000 But this one in particular, they the Trump administration had has been looking for been using the Alien Enemies Act, which I believe is from what was it?

01:21:46.000 There was another one that I saw from 1798.

01:21:50.000 Reuters was saying the Supreme Court lets Trump pursue deportations under the 1798 law with limits.

01:21:57.000 So this is an old law.

01:21:59.000 And that was part of the reason why some in the in Congress and Democrats in Congress were kind of worked up about it.

01:22:07.000 I personally think that whatever means the government can use to remove illegal aliens, I think, is acceptable. 0.99

01:22:17.000 They're here illegally. 0.99

01:22:19.000 And whereas I understand there is there are due process questions.

01:22:24.000 They're the only people that actually have a legitimate...

01:22:33.000 Now, I understand most of the people that have come here illegally, they've been instructed go to the, you know, find the nearest border guard or, you know, and tell them that you're looking for asylum.

01:22:45.000 But that is, that's illegal anyways.

01:22:48.000 You're supposed to go to a normal port of entry and request asylum.

01:22:51.000 You're also supposed to go to, you're supposed to stop in the nearest safe country.

01:22:55.000 Trump promised to use this.

01:22:56.000 Law. Yeah.

01:22:57.000 Like, multiple times on the campaign trail.

01:22:59.000 And we should do, yeah, like you're saying, whatever we can.

01:23:01.000 Yeah. We were invaded.

01:23:02.000 Yeah, I mean, look. 0.62

01:23:03.000 We gotta get rid of a lot of people.

01:23:04.000 Yeah, I'm of the opinion anything we can do to get rid of people that are here illegally, we should do. 1.00

01:23:10.000 You know, but I'm wondering if you, if our Canadian friends have opinions on this.

01:23:15.000 I'm gonna add, like, one of the disappointing things here is that it was a 5-4 vote.

01:23:20.000 And Justice Barrett dissented.

01:23:23.000 Yeah. And, you know.

01:23:25.000 I find that disappointing, that she did that.

01:23:28.000 She's had a few of those.

01:23:28.000 Yeah. I think that's the bigger, one of the bigger stories here, but, you know, obviously this went the right way, but that is very disappointing.

01:23:37.000 I mean, I'm not saying we should repeal the 19th, but it was the men versus the women, you know? 1.00

01:23:43.000 The court's makeup is, you know, five to five, you know, allegedly conservative.

01:23:50.000 People would say that the...

01:23:53.000 The men on the court are conservative.

01:23:55.000 I'm not so convinced that Roberts is actually conservative.

01:23:59.000 I think that he's as likely to come down on the progressive side as he is to come down on the conservative side.

01:24:09.000 But Justice Amy Coney Barrett, she is certainly not a reliable conservative.

01:24:16.000 But this is something that we see regularly.

01:24:19.000 We know where the left is going to come down.

01:24:22.000 They're going to side with the government or they're going to side with whatever the left would side with.

01:24:27.000 And there's not going to be – there's not any question about it.

01:24:30.000 There's not – nobody's ever surprised with – Well, the conservatives, there's always a surprise.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, which to me, honestly, that...

01:24:44.000 In my opinion, makes me think, okay, well, the conservatives are actually judges, and the progressives are just ideologues.

01:24:52.000 If you can always tell where someone's going to come down, you kind of know that they're ideologues.

01:24:58.000 So maybe...

01:24:59.000 It's the balance of the scales.

01:25:01.000 That's why they want to stack the court. 1.00

01:25:02.000 Go ahead.

01:25:03.000 That's why they want to stack the court, because they know they're a monolith.

01:25:05.000 Yeah. I mean, maybe you could say the same thing about Justice Thomas, even though I would clone him eight times and we could have eight Justice Thomases on the Supreme Court.

01:25:14.000 Perfectly happy with that.

01:25:15.000 But maybe you could say the same thing about Alito.

01:25:18.000 But the other three, you know, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Coney Barrett, and Roberts, it's a crapshoot.

01:25:25.000 You don't know what they're going to decide.

01:25:29.000 What were the other two cases?

01:25:30.000 You said there was a couple that Amy Coney Barrett dissented on.

01:25:35.000 There was another one that I remember was the border in Texas.

01:25:38.000 I forget, it was recent.

01:25:39.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

01:25:40.000 It's like last year it had to do with...

01:25:42.000 It was a couple weeks ago, I thought.

01:25:44.000 I'm thinking of one like last year where it was like the border in Texas ran through federal land or something like that.

01:25:50.000 It was a while back.

01:25:51.000 I don't know and I wouldn't know where it's...

01:25:54.000 Let me see here.

01:25:56.000 How much...

01:25:56.000 A woman makes bad decisions.

01:25:59.000 Oh, no.

01:26:00.000 Imagine being the first name that comes up when you look like that.

01:26:03.000 Yeah, it's her face.

01:26:04.000 It'd be amazing.

01:26:05.000 Typically The View.

01:26:06.000 Yeah, I'm not sure what decision she has come down on the wrong side, but she is kind of, you know, it is a question mark as to whether or not she's going to come down with what would be considered a sober reading of the...

01:26:27.000 The law or whatever.

01:26:28.000 Most of the time you can expect the conservatives to say, okay, this is what the law plainly states and this is how it's going to be.

01:26:37.000 This is where my judgment's going to come down and these are my reasons.

01:26:43.000 They're going to seem reasonable.

01:26:44.000 The progressives, you can...

01:26:47.000 Never tell what their reasoning is going to be, but you always know where they're going to land.

01:26:51.000 I mean, it's one of the sad things, right?

01:26:53.000 When people talk about how the Supreme Court was never supposed to be political, you know, in and of itself.

01:26:58.000 You wouldn't want to know the political affiliations of any of these judges.

01:27:03.000 You want them to judge based on constitutional law.

01:27:07.000 And to see it turn that way, it actually does scare a lot of people.

01:27:10.000 Because like you said, I see bumper stickers that literally say, pack the courts.

01:27:14.000 And it's crazy that you see the amount of people.

01:27:17.000 Yes. There's

01:27:48.000 a strong possibility that Donald Trump gets to appoint two more people.

01:27:56.000 Clarence Thomas is getting up there and he's likely not going to want to do what Ruth Bader Ginsburg did and stay on longer than...

01:28:07.000 Then he can, you know, reliably stay.

01:28:09.000 Let Trump put up someone.

01:28:11.000 Yeah, he would want Trump to pick someone.

01:28:12.000 And also, I believe it's Sotomayor who has some health issues.

01:28:15.000 So it was New York versus Donald Trump, the case.

01:28:18.000 Okay. She dissented with Roberts as well.

01:28:20.000 Thank you.

01:28:21.000 But again, Roberts is someone that's, he's not, he's definitely not a reliable conservative, which, I mean, to be honest with you, I'm fine with him not being a reliable conservative, just so long as the reasoning is sound.

01:28:36.000 It's not a surprise when it's Amy Coney Barrett coming down and siding with the progressives.

01:28:47.000 Let's see.

01:28:48.000 Also, John Roberts from Politico.

01:28:51.000 John Roberts lifts midnight deadline for US to bring back man who was wrongly deported to El Salvador.

01:28:57.000 Just hours before a midnight deadline Monday, Chief Justice John Roberts gave the Trump administration a reprieve from having to immediately bring back the US man who was illegally deported to El Salvador last month.

01:29:09.000 Roberts acted shortly after the Trump administration filed an emergency appeal of a district judge directive.

01:29:14.000 That U.S. officials return Kilmar Abregeo Garcia.

01:29:19.000 I think I pronounced that right.

01:29:20.000 Abregeo. The administration deported Abregeo Garcia despite an immigration judge's 2019 ruling that he not be sent to his home country of El Salvador because he would likely face persecution there.

01:29:32.000 Roberts issued a terse administrative order indefinitely lifting the deadline of 1159 Eastern time to return.

01:29:38.000 Abrago Garcia set by U.S.

01:29:41.000 District Judge Paulina Zinnes.

01:29:44.000 The Trump administration had said the deadline was impossible.

01:29:46.000 Now, this speaks to one of the questions that we've been discussing here.

01:29:54.000 Do lower courts have the right or the power to pass an injunction that...

01:30:03.000 Essentially prevents the administration from acting.

01:30:07.000 So this is something that has very little historical precedent prior to, I think it was the Obama administration in 2008.

01:30:19.000 So there was some in the 60s and 70s and 80s, but it was infrequent that this was used.

01:30:26.000 And prior to the 60s, it was never used.

01:30:28.000 FDR had passed.

01:30:32.000 He issued many, many, many executive orders, and there was no thought that a district judge would be able to say, no, you can't do that, Mr. President.

01:30:44.000 It was thousands, I think, right?

01:30:45.000 I mean, look, I don't know.

01:30:47.000 That's like 4,000 executive orders.

01:30:50.000 That's the most I think of any president.

01:30:51.000 You could totally be right.

01:30:52.000 I don't know.

01:30:53.000 I know there was a boatload of them.

01:30:54.000 If we want to say thousands, great.

01:30:56.000 I'm going to say a million.

01:30:59.000 Millions and millions is what FDR passed.

01:31:03.000 He almost broke his hand signing those executive orders.

01:31:06.000 But yeah, there was no precedent prior to the 60s and it was an infrequent thing in the 60s, 70s and 80s and 90s and then when Barack Obama got into office there was a lot of injunctions and now It's almost everything the Trump administration tries to do.

01:31:27.000 Now, I mean, look, I'm sympathetic to the idea that the executive actually should have limited power, that the Congress should be passing laws, but the way that Congress works and behaves now, and the way that the presidency has become the action...

01:31:52.000 Branch, I suppose you could say.

01:31:54.000 This is just the state that we're in.

01:31:57.000 And that being the case for the conservatives to say, well, we're going to try to do the constitutional thing and we're not going to try and do this stuff.

01:32:06.000 Then you're only allowing the left to exercise power because Barack Obama had said it himself.

01:32:11.000 He's like, I have a pen and a phone and they're going to act when they have the opportunity.

01:32:16.000 So I think that it's it is.

01:32:19.000 Incumbent upon the Trump administration to act as expansively as possible until Congress steps in and says, no, you can't.

01:32:28.000 Well, you have to worry about that now, given, you know, what happened in Wisconsin.

01:32:31.000 They're already talking about we're going to be getting impeachment articles written up in 2026 or 2028, excuse me.

01:32:39.000 Yeah, if there is a, if there is a, you know, a Democrat Congress, then you know they're going to.

01:32:48.000 Try to impeach him again.

01:32:49.000 So beyond just not getting anything done, they're also going to actively interfere.

01:32:53.000 Yeah. Trouble is, if you have a million or 10 million or whatever, I've heard up to 30 million illegals, like an invasion, to quote you.

01:33:04.000 You're going to have a million trials and a million appeals.

01:33:08.000 No, you're not.

01:33:09.000 It's not going to happen.

01:33:12.000 You know, you want to have some sort of rule of law.

01:33:14.000 America is not a wild place.

01:33:17.000 But if you are serious about getting this done, some of it will have to be done en masse.

01:33:23.000 And folks who came in so evidently just strolling across the border, I don't know, I was just puttering with some math here.

01:33:32.000 If there's 250 seats on any given airplane, you do 40 flights a day.

01:33:38.000 That's basically a flight from every big city in America.

01:33:41.000 There's still only 10,000 people a day.

01:33:43.000 So let's say three and a half million people a year.

01:33:47.000 And that's not happening right now.

01:33:48.000 Like, I'm impressed with what is happening.

01:33:50.000 First of all, the invasion has been stopped.

01:33:52.000 You know, first rule of holes, when you're in one, stop digging.

01:33:55.000 Okay, that's been achieved.

01:33:57.000 But you've got to deport.

01:33:58.000 And it's got to be done en masse.

01:34:01.000 Here's an idea, and I'd like your feedback.

01:34:03.000 And I say this as a foreigner, but I believe very much in borders.

01:34:07.000 I believe that you should be able to...

01:34:10.000 Keep out a non-citizen for any reason or no reason. 1.00

01:34:12.000 It's your country.

01:34:13.000 It's like your house.

01:34:14.000 You don't need a good reason to kick someone out of your house.

01:34:17.000 It's your house.

01:34:19.000 Some European countries, I think Sweden or Denmark, I forget which one has tried this.

01:34:23.000 And I know it sounds offensive at first, but keep in mind how many planes you need to deport people.

01:34:30.000 What if you said, here's 10 grand, get out and promise never to come back.

01:34:37.000 Now that's a lot.

01:34:38.000 10 grand.

01:34:40.000 For 10 million people, that's $100 billion.

01:34:43.000 Well, hang on.

01:34:44.000 That's a sliver of what that many illegals cost the country. 1.00

01:34:48.000 Yeah. $100 billion?

01:34:49.000 It's not even a trillion dollars.

01:34:50.000 I mean...

01:34:51.000 Shift the money over there from USAID.

01:34:53.000 Let's do it.

01:34:54.000 Even 50 grand each, it's still only half a trillion.

01:34:57.000 Isn't $100 billion, isn't that one B-2 bomber? 0.90

01:35:01.000 I don't know.

01:35:01.000 I think so.

01:35:02.000 I think you need the carrot, but I think you need the stick, but also the carrot.

01:35:07.000 And it sounds absurd that someone would self-deport, but you've got to, I mean, it is a time-limited thing we have here.

01:35:16.000 And when I see stories like that, justice this, bring back the man from El Salvador, I think if that's how they're reacting to the first...

01:35:25.000 Is it even in the thousands?

01:35:27.000 It's probably not in the tens of thousands.

01:35:29.000 You got 10 million, 20 million folks.

01:35:33.000 Your country has been overrun.

01:35:36.000 Yep. And you have to think like that.

01:35:39.000 So the Alien War Act or whatever of 1798, yeah, that probably fits a little bit better than some, you know, dainty legal process from the 1970s.

01:35:51.000 Or previous administration.

01:35:52.000 ...encouraged the invasion.

01:35:54.000 I reported from Yuma, just a small sliver of the wall.

01:35:57.000 And when I was down there, this was during Biden.

01:35:59.000 Biden, it's like soft TSA.

01:36:01.000 People walk across the border, the TSA, the Border Patrol, gives them a tag for their luggage, water bottle, a ride to their headquarters, phone call to whoever they know in the country, if someone picks up and knows their name, flight to that place.

01:36:14.000 And that's happening daily.

01:36:15.000 Not to mention all the fentanyl that's going across the border through the tunnels and drones.

01:36:19.000 And it's a whole industry.

01:36:20.000 I don't know if you saw James O'Keefe's movie on that.

01:36:22.000 I didn't know.

01:36:22.000 It is an industry.

01:36:24.000 There are NGOs, again, with your tax dollars just waiting.

01:36:28.000 Waiting with lawyers.

01:36:29.000 And get them away from Texas.

01:36:31.000 Get them into the country. 1.00

01:36:32.000 Not just NGOs, but the federal government itself.

01:36:35.000 The Health and Human Services Department had a program called the...

01:36:38.000 What was the program called?

01:36:41.000 The refugee resettlement program and people were actually being shipped throughout the country specifically to purple states in the hopes that they would vote, that they would manage to get social security cards, which has now been proven to happen.

01:36:58.000 So a year ago, you know, I was talking about this particular plan, the refugee resettlement plan, how the actual federal government was using taxpayer dollars.

01:37:08.000 The Democrats were using taxpayer dollars to ship people throughout the country.

01:37:13.000 And they were intending on doing two things.

01:37:16.000 One, first, it's to get them into the census because the congressional districts are drawn up by the census.

01:37:22.000 And additionally, those people were being given Social Security numbers and they were being given driver's license and they were being allowed to vote.

01:37:35.000 Now, technically, it's illegal.

01:37:36.000 but Let me give you a 60 second anecdote.

01:37:48.000 I like to travel to other countries to see what it's like there.

01:37:51.000 Let me tell you a very short story from the little village of Dundrum, Ireland.

01:37:56.000 It's a village of 200 people.

01:37:58.000 It's the prettiest place you've ever seen in your life.

01:38:00.000 And there's one sort of hotel country club in town where everyone goes for their cycle of life events.

01:38:06.000 Gorgeous. 200 people in the whole town.

01:38:09.000 And then one day the hotel signs a deal with the federal government.

01:38:12.000 It's not going to be a hotel and country club anymore.

01:38:14.000 It's going to take 240 military-aged migrant men.

01:38:19.000 So they shut down the tourism, shut down the social hub of the town, and in one fell swoop, the Irish are now a minority in Dundrum.

01:38:28.000 Who are these men?

01:38:29.000 How long are they staying?

01:38:30.000 All this is secret.

01:38:32.000 It's the most astonishing thing.

01:38:33.000 And who's pushing for this?

01:38:35.000 U.S.-funded NGOs.

01:38:37.000 There's over 100,000 in this tiny island of Ireland with 5 million souls.

01:38:41.000 And I say again, why is that interesting?

01:38:44.000 Well, because sometimes they try out things over there that then they bring in over here.

01:38:49.000 Like they did to Haiti. 0.99

01:38:50.000 Our government, you know, we destroyed Haiti over many decades. 0.99

01:38:53.000 It was like an experiment on what they want to do to destroy this country.

01:38:55.000 And then that thing you're talking about happened in New York City.

01:38:57.000 I'm from New York.

01:39:00.000 A lot of family in the hotel and trades union.

01:39:02.000 So they work in all those hotels.

01:39:03.000 And all those hotels just became migrant facilities.

01:39:06.000 Totally insane.

01:39:07.000 And not to mention, they were giving, like, debit cards to illegal immigrants as they showed up into New York City.

01:39:13.000 Banana. You're a hotel owner.

01:39:15.000 You love it.

01:39:16.000 You don't have to worry about reservations anymore.

01:39:17.000 You got one client who always pays the bill.

01:39:19.000 No dine and dash.

01:39:21.000 You're set.

01:39:21.000 Yeah. It's crazy.

01:39:23.000 All right.

01:39:24.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:39:26.000 So smash that like button. 0.97

01:39:29.000 Share the show with all your friends and become a member at rumble.com slash timcast.

01:39:37.000 Let's see here.

01:39:39.000 Lurch685 says, The response to that, I think, is with what?

01:39:45.000 That's the response you're getting from most young people, at least.

01:39:49.000 Let's see.

01:39:52.000 Sean H. says, welcome back to the world.

01:39:54.000 The Dire Wolf.

01:39:55.000 Did you guys hear about that?

01:39:56.000 They've cloned the Dire Wolf.

01:39:58.000 We're actually going to talk about that in the after show today.

01:40:00.000 Clint Russell said maybe that wasn't a good idea.

01:40:03.000 What? I saw him on Twitter today.

01:40:04.000 He said maybe it wasn't a good idea to do that.

01:40:07.000 I'm like, I agree.

01:40:08.000 I mean, maybe.

01:40:09.000 We saw Jurassic Park.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, you did.

01:40:10.000 But, you know, they're not dinosaurs.

01:40:12.000 But they're wolves.

01:40:13.000 They're wolves.

01:40:14.000 Dinosaurs weren't real, but I don't want to derail the conversation.

01:40:18.000 I appreciate that, Shane.

01:40:19.000 Thank you very much.

01:40:22.000 Let's see.

01:40:24.000 Afuera Media says, Canada is a manipulative ex that's mad you aren't letting them get away with it anymore.

01:40:31.000 How do you guys feel about that?

01:40:33.000 You know what?

01:40:33.000 I really want to be the best friend of the United States.

01:40:37.000 I don't want to be American. 0.68

01:40:38.000 I love America.

01:40:39.000 I want to be the best friend of America.

01:40:41.000 And I really, I think it could be frickin' amazing.

01:40:47.000 I just hope this passes.

01:40:49.000 Is that okay to say?

01:40:50.000 Am I too Pollyannish here?

01:40:51.000 I mean, I personally, I agree.

01:40:54.000 I don't want...

01:40:56.000 To have animosity with our largest trading partner.

01:40:59.000 And I know we've got to fix things.

01:41:00.000 We've got to fix our military.

01:41:01.000 Any Canadian should be ashamed of that.

01:41:04.000 You know, in World War II, we were right next to you.

01:41:06.000 You had Omaha Beach and Utah Beach.

01:41:08.000 We were there in Juneau Beach.

01:41:09.000 You guys were dying right along with the Americans. 0.99

01:41:12.000 You know, we had the third largest Navy in the world at the end of the Second World War.

01:41:15.000 I know that's hard to believe.

01:41:16.000 We were there.

01:41:17.000 We were there in Korea.

01:41:18.000 We were there in Afghanistan.

01:41:20.000 But we're not lifting our load.

01:41:22.000 And I say this, without Donald Trump, I think we've got to be a serious country again.

01:41:28.000 We're not right now.

01:41:29.000 And maybe Donald Trump shines a light on our weaknesses in a way that prickles people.

01:41:34.000 He does.

01:41:34.000 My God, he can find your weakness in a second and zero in on it.

01:41:38.000 But sometimes, though, you need to hear your critics.

01:41:41.000 I'm not saying everything Trump says about Canada is right.

01:41:43.000 I don't think he's right when he says we're nasty.

01:41:46.000 But there are some flaws we have to fix, and Chris listed some of them.

01:41:49.000 I just hope we get past that.

01:41:50.000 I think it's the fact that you guys haven't won a Stanley Cup in so long.

01:41:54.000 I think you're cranky.

01:41:56.000 You haven't won a Stanley Cup in a really long time, and hockey is such a big part of the country.

01:42:01.000 Let's see.

01:42:02.000 Michael O. Pinkerton says, Israel's been making a fortune on the tariffs.

01:42:06.000 They charge us to sell them weapons.

01:42:08.000 Can anyone confirm or deny that?

01:42:10.000 I don't know if that's true or not.

01:42:14.000 Because... The United States does give a lot of weapons to Israel.

01:42:19.000 I know we buy all our drones from China.

01:42:21.000 Well, yeah, that's because...

01:42:23.000 That's very concerning.

01:42:23.000 American drones coming from China?

01:42:25.000 Yeah, because the FAA, and it's because of regulation, the United States...

01:42:29.000 You mean like the civilian drones?

01:42:30.000 Our military drones.

01:42:31.000 Yes, civilian drones.

01:42:32.000 Oh, I thought it was military drones, too.

01:42:34.000 One of the speeches I saw about this guy saying...

01:42:36.000 I don't think they'd allow that.

01:42:36.000 Yeah, I don't think they...

01:42:37.000 I saw someone talk about it.

01:42:38.000 Maybe it was Eric Prince.

01:42:39.000 I forget who it was.

01:42:40.000 Talking about how this is obviously a security issue.

01:42:42.000 That's terrifying.

01:42:43.000 It was true. 0.75

01:42:43.000 Let's look that up. 0.75

01:42:44.000 I... I don't think so.

01:42:46.000 I will say that they definitely are getting the chips that go in them from Taiwan.

01:42:51.000 Chips are already an issue.

01:42:54.000 That's an issue that we've actually talked about.

01:42:56.000 Whether or not people believe that the Trump tariffs are going to bring the industrial capacity back to the United States, it's really important for the United States to have the ability to make the semiconductors that we need for our military here in the United States because right now, and COVID...

01:43:12.000 You know, really showed us we can't rely on China for the things that our country needs.

01:43:18.000 90% of the world's medicines, pills, vitamins, supplements are made in China.

01:43:23.000 That seems like a bit of a security lapse, too.

01:43:25.000 Terrible idea.

01:43:26.000 Exactly. Let's see.

01:43:32.000 Let's see.

01:43:33.000 Mr. Barefoot Blue Jean says, Carney is Trudeau's cousin family.

01:43:38.000 Carney gave a billion to Jake.

01:43:40.000 Kirchner? Carney's friends with Ghislaine Maxwell.

01:43:43.000 Trump endorses Carney.

01:43:45.000 Wonder why no Epstein files.

01:43:47.000 I'm not sure that Trump endorsed Carney.

01:43:52.000 He made a tweet that sounded like he preferred Carney.

01:43:55.000 It was an interview, I think.

01:43:56.000 Really? It wasn't an endorsement, though.

01:43:58.000 Okay. How do you word it?

01:44:01.000 It was something like, you know, I'd prefer to deal with a liberal.

01:44:07.000 Or negotiate with the liberals?

01:44:08.000 Oh, I saw that, yeah.

01:44:10.000 Do you think that that might have been in response to Pierre kind of having to criticize Trump?

01:44:16.000 Here's my issue with the whole thing.

01:44:19.000 I would have loved to see Pierre Polivier come out and be the guy that said, I'm going to be able to be the only guy here that can do a deal with Trump.

01:44:29.000 America's our best friend.

01:44:31.000 I want to work with America.

01:44:32.000 They're our biggest trading partner, and I'm the only guy that's going to be able to make a deal with them.

01:44:37.000 Instead, he took a different approach, and he distanced himself from Trump a lot.

01:44:42.000 And it became like a hating contest with Carney of how much we hate these tariffs, and Canada's got to be on the other side of it.

01:44:51.000 I didn't love that approach.

01:44:53.000 Obviously, I don't like that approach at all.

01:44:56.000 So it's...

01:44:57.000 You know, it's been disappointing to watch the Canadian politics, all of them move away from the United States and, you know, let's see who can hate Trump the most and be most anti-American.

01:45:07.000 That really, really upset me a lot.

01:45:10.000 I think it's the wrong move.

01:45:13.000 And, you know, it puts Canada in a weird position now.

01:45:17.000 Like, who's going to be the guy to win?

01:45:20.000 And when they win, who's going to do the deal with the United States?

01:45:23.000 Because we need to do it.

01:45:24.000 Hey, can I talk about the other part of this?

01:45:27.000 Please, chap.

01:45:28.000 Like I say, Mark Carney left Canada more than a decade ago.

01:45:31.000 He moved up in life and he became the governor of the Bank of England.

01:45:36.000 While he was over there, he hung out with Ghislaine Maxwell.

01:45:40.000 He did.

01:45:40.000 There's photos of him and his wife hanging out with Maxwell.

01:45:43.000 You know who I'm talking about. 0.57

01:45:44.000 Epstein's sex driver.

01:45:46.000 And then while he's over there, Mark Carney, now the Canadian Prime Minister, Epstein's client, Prince Andrew throws a lavish party for Mark Carney at Buckingham Palace and picks up the tab.

01:46:00.000 What the hell's that all about?

01:46:02.000 And then the last piece, I mean, you know, once is an oddity, twice is, you know, a concern.

01:46:07.000 Third fact, Mark Carney's wife, her family is in Epstein's Black Book.

01:46:16.000 Now, you know, one of these things you might be able to explain away, too, is a raised eyebrow.

01:46:21.000 What the hell is going on?

01:46:23.000 I mean, he's operating...

01:46:24.000 I don't have any evidence beyond that, but I think the lad has some explaining to do.

01:46:29.000 I mean, I would imagine so.

01:46:32.000 What the hell is his wife's family doing in Epstein's Black Book?

01:46:37.000 I don't know.

01:46:39.000 I mean, obviously we have...

01:46:41.000 When are we getting those files anyways?

01:46:43.000 Is that supposed to come out?

01:46:44.000 What's Pam Bondi doing? 1.00

01:46:45.000 That's exactly what the Super Chat was asking.

01:46:48.000 We're going to do some of the rumble rants now.

01:46:53.000 Can we get a Rumble music app like YouTube Music Player?

01:46:57.000 Maybe a few famous musicians like Tom McDonald or someone else could be the first to sign on or make some deal.

01:47:04.000 Is that something that Rumble's working on, Chris?

01:47:07.000 Sorry to put you on the spot.

01:47:08.000 No, that's fine.

01:47:11.000 We're developing a lot of things.

01:47:13.000 Rumble music is something that I think is going to be very important to Rumble in the future.

01:47:17.000 And how we design that and who we get to lead that I think is very important.

01:47:21.000 Obviously, that's a very inexpensive endeavor.

01:47:25.000 Licensing all the content and bringing it all into the platform is going to be very expensive.

01:47:30.000 But it's something that we're working on and we're very much thinking about and how to bring in that content.

01:47:37.000 And I hope to have something this year on that front.

01:47:40.000 Not a separate app, per se, but at least start driving the content and the music content on Rumble, because that will be, I think, very important for any platform that's competing against YouTube to have that.

01:47:54.000 That's a lot of YouTube's consumption right now, so it's something that would be very good to have.

01:48:01.000 All right.

01:48:04.000 Billdozer74 says, As a small creator, I just want to say thanks to Chris for the Rumble Creator Program.

01:48:10.000 I'm hosting episode 89 of my show tonight and I'm extremely proud to be part of the free speech movement.

01:48:16.000 So, uh...

01:48:18.000 Thank you on behalf of Bill Dozier.

01:48:20.000 That's awesome.

01:48:20.000 No, the Creator Program is something that we launched a couple months ago.

01:48:25.000 It just wrapped up its first month.

01:48:27.000 It's where if you meet certain criteria and certain metrics, you're going to get paid a lot more for your contributions to Rumble.

01:48:37.000 And I have to say, after the first month, it has been an incredible success.

01:48:41.000 I never thought Rumble would be in the position where we'd be having more live streams, more average concurrent live streams on Rumble so quickly after the election.

01:48:51.000 Election night was like a record night for us in many regards, in many respects.

01:48:56.000 And then a month later, we hit another record on December 9th or something like that.

01:49:00.000 And then we continued to hit records in Q1 for average concurrent streams.

01:49:04.000 And it's...

01:49:06.000 It's been incredible to watch the gaming community expand on Rumble and the small creators expand on Rumble.

01:49:13.000 It's been a real big hit and it's here to stay.

01:49:15.000 Awesome. Jones asks, can we please hear more about Rumble's partnership with Tether?

01:49:22.000 Also, Phil's a great host.

01:49:23.000 Thank you.

01:49:24.000 Do you have any more information that you can give to the viewers on the Tether deal?

01:49:29.000 So yeah, Tether invested $775 million.

01:49:34.000 We closed that deal in February of, you know, just a couple months ago, February of this year.

01:49:41.000 The reason why I think that Tether That's how big they are.

01:50:10.000 One of the largest shareholders of Rumble now.

01:50:13.000 They've taken a huge stake in us.

01:50:14.000 And the best part about the Tether guys, like, I've gotten to know the owners of Tether, and I don't believe I've met people.

01:50:24.000 And this is, like, odd because you don't think that that could be possible.

01:50:28.000 Like, if, you know, let's say Fox wanted to come into Rumble or another company wanted to buy into Rumble, you're not going to have that free speech ethos that...

01:50:36.000 You know, Rumble has to its core as it is right now.

01:50:40.000 But the Tether guys...

01:50:42.000 These guys are so next level free speech and so for it.

01:50:47.000 It was the perfect marriage for what we believe in.

01:50:51.000 And the best part about them, though, I would say that's the best part, but the second best part about them is how ambitious they are to take on Google and take Rumble to really take on Google across all the product suites.

01:51:03.000 So they're not just looking for Rumble to beat YouTube.

01:51:07.000 They want us to beat Google on the cloud side.

01:51:10.000 They want us to have an email product.

01:51:12.000 They want us to have a browser product.

01:51:14.000 And let's be honest, they have deep pockets too.

01:51:18.000 And when they have that kind of ambition, things can get pretty real.

01:51:22.000 And we did capitalize with them.

01:51:24.000 So we put a lot of money on the balance sheet.

01:51:26.000 And these are things that we're planning out.

01:51:30.000 now. We really want to face Google on the ecosystem front, not just on the single side of the YouTube front.

01:51:37.000 Our product with Rumble has come leaps and bounds over the last couple of years, and it's going to continue to improve.

01:51:43.000 So the investments now that we're really looking to make are in our product, in the people at Rumble, in the product, so we can have something better than YouTube, have something better than Google Cloud, have something, you know, launch other things, the Advertising Center to compete against Google Ads.

01:51:58.000 So having them as partners has really unleashed us in a way that we haven't before.

01:52:06.000 It's the most exciting thing that's happened to Rumble in its history, is having them as our partners.

01:52:13.000 I hope that answers the question.

01:52:16.000 Congratulations. Carlos Y. says, Ezra, are you on team Alberta autonomy, independence, or statehood, assuming Carney wins?

01:52:26.000 Alberta is, like I say, the Texas of Canada.

01:52:29.000 It's where all those oil sands I was talking about are.

01:52:34.000 Boy, if Carney wins again, he's going to be brutal.

01:52:37.000 I told you about some of the things he did before he came back to Canada a few weeks ago.

01:52:41.000 He was the co-chair of something called the Glasgow Net Alliance for Net Zero.

01:52:49.000 You know what Net Zero means?

01:52:51.000 Stop using carbon.

01:52:52.000 Keep the oil in the ground.

01:52:54.000 Keep the coal in the ground.

01:52:55.000 Don't drive.

01:52:56.000 Don't fly.

01:52:57.000 You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

01:52:59.000 Oh, I didn't mention.

01:53:01.000 He was a board member of the World Economic Forum, this Mark Carney.

01:53:04.000 He is the most dangerous prime minister we have had.

01:53:08.000 There have been bad prime ministers, but this guy, it's like he's a supervillain.

01:53:13.000 And I am afraid he will so torment Alberta, he will take net zero seriously.

01:53:20.000 He will demonize Alberta because he never gets votes from it.

01:53:23.000 And I think he just might drive Alberta out.

01:53:27.000 In Canada, there was...

01:53:29.000 Two referendums on Quebec separatism.

01:53:32.000 The last one came within half a percent of winning.

01:53:35.000 Was it that close?

01:53:35.000 49 and a half percent.

01:53:37.000 How long ago was that?

01:53:38.000 Was it 10 years ago?

01:53:38.000 About 30 years ago.

01:53:40.000 Here's what happened.

01:53:41.000 The parliament passed something called the Clarity Act and the Supreme Court reviewed it.

01:53:47.000 In America, some states seceded.

01:53:50.000 That caused the Civil War.

01:53:51.000 In Canada, it is legal to separate.

01:53:55.000 As long as you have a clear question.

01:53:58.000 With a clear result.

01:53:58.000 So, to answer your viewer's question, if Mark Carney does to Alberta what I fear he will, if Alberta simply calls a referendum, I think there is a real chance that Albertans would say, we're out of here.

01:54:17.000 And frankly, if Alberta went, so would Saskatchewan.

01:54:21.000 And it would be a domino effect.

01:54:25.000 Boy, that would be tough.

01:54:27.000 But maybe, I mean, I don't want to take a stand now because I want to hope for the best.

01:54:31.000 But Mark Carney might wind up granting Donald Trump his wish.

01:54:37.000 Oh, please no.

01:54:40.000 Just to add, I think that the Premier of Alberta is the best politician in Canada that Canada has right now.

01:54:47.000 I think she's great.

01:54:49.000 But I'm going to say what Ezra, I think what you said is right.

01:54:55.000 I think that if Carney wins and he does those things...

01:54:58.000 So is it your sense that Carney would actually take retribution on Alberta for not...

01:55:07.000 Because there's...

01:55:08.000 So back in 80 when Ronald Reagan was elected, there were only two states that he didn't get.

01:55:15.000 And Massachusetts was one of them.

01:55:17.000 And that's the state that I'm from.

01:55:19.000 And there were a lot of people that felt like the Reagan administration did what it could to punish Massachusetts.

01:55:27.000 It wasn't anything that you would notice unless you were from Massachusetts.

01:55:32.000 But there were some military bases that got closed and did some things that economically hurt the state.

01:55:39.000 Fort Devens being one, Westover Air Force Base, they went from being fully active to being reserve bases.

01:55:47.000 And so the number of people on the base dwindled.

01:55:50.000 And so that meant the economies of the surrounding towns felt the hit and stuff.

01:55:55.000 Is it your sense that he would retaliate against Alberta should he lose?

01:56:04.000 He would call it net zero.

01:56:07.000 Yeah. Net zero is so insane.

01:56:09.000 Yeah. By the way, if every human being stopped using energy...

01:56:14.000 It would not change the world's temperature.

01:56:17.000 Even the United Nations, their Framework Convention on Climate Change, the Earth has been very slowly warming for 10,000 years since we emerged from the last ice age.

01:56:27.000 And I mean, it is very slightly warming.

01:56:30.000 There's nothing we did to start it, nothing we can do to stop him.

01:56:34.000 So people who say, and here's what's so dangerous about Carney, is he has not sold his Brookfield assets.

01:56:41.000 So he's invested in oil.

01:56:44.000 All these companies that are at odds with Canada, and especially at odds with this oil sands I mentioned earlier, that's the place, 170 billion barrels of oil.

01:56:56.000 China has been sniffing around the oil sands.

01:56:59.000 China would love those oil sands, or at least to deprive America of them. 0.76

01:57:04.000 Sure. And Carney is like, that was Xi Jinping.

01:57:09.000 I tell you, you want to talk about a national security threat to the United States of America, imagine having a Xi Jinping asset. 0.88

01:57:16.000 You think I'm talking crazy talk?

01:57:18.000 Yesterday... Canada's election integrity monitor said that the government of China was doing pro-Carney propaganda using the app called WeChat that millions of Chinese Canadians use.

01:57:31.000 I don't know if you heard of WeChat.

01:57:31.000 WeChat is in Canada.

01:57:33.000 Oh, big time.

01:57:34.000 That's where a lot of Chinese Canadians get their news.

01:57:36.000 And that is being used to push Mark Carney.

01:57:39.000 What more proof do you need?

01:57:41.000 There was a candidate running for Mark Carney in the city of Markham.

01:57:45.000 He says...

01:57:46.000 In a press conference at Chinese media, he says, my opponent, Joe Tay, is wanted back in China.

01:57:53.000 There's a million-dollar bounty for him.

01:57:55.000 If you catch him and turn him into the consulate, you'll get the money.

01:57:58.000 He says it three times. 0.82

01:57:59.000 What the hell?

01:58:02.000 He was dropped, and they bring in a replacement Chinese-Canadian who, it turns out, was singing songs of praise to communist China.

01:58:12.000 CSIS, our version of your CIA.

01:58:15.000 Found that there were 11 districts in Canada where the Chinese Communist Party interfered and meddled.

01:58:21.000 I mentioned earlier 400,000 people registered to vote for Carney, only 150,000 did in the end.

01:58:27.000 Are you telling me that the Chinese Communist Party wouldn't be able to hack an online vote to select the leader of the country?

01:58:34.000 I don't have evidence that they did, but I want to know who these quarter million who were disqualified.

01:58:39.000 We've got ourselves a five-alarm fire in terms of national security in Canada.

01:58:44.000 I didn't realize how close the ties were with Carney and China.

01:58:46.000 Oh my God, and we don't even know all of it.

01:58:49.000 Yeah. Imagine if BlackRock, Brookfield was like a mini BlackRock.

01:58:54.000 Imagine if Larry Fink one day installed himself as your president.

01:58:59.000 He has not won a single election in Canada.

01:59:03.000 Foreign nationals were allowed to vote.

01:59:06.000 He's like an oligarch collecting countries, and you might say, oh, that's overheated language.

01:59:11.000 Is it really?

01:59:11.000 This guy only came back to Canada a few weeks ago.

01:59:14.000 Wow. That's wild.

01:59:17.000 When's the next election?

01:59:18.000 April 28th.

01:59:19.000 Okay. How's that?

01:59:20.000 A few weeks from today.

01:59:21.000 Who's the...

01:59:22.000 The other guy's conservative candidate named Pierre Pauliev.

01:59:26.000 Okay. Is that the guy with the Apple interview?

01:59:28.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:59:28.000 I think he's great.

01:59:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:29.000 He was impressive.

01:59:30.000 But it's statistical dead heat, the polls now, because Trump's getting people agitated.

01:59:35.000 Wow. Alright, William Dean says, Phil, what is your ideal diet for maintaining optimal mental and physical wellness?

01:59:47.000 Honestly, like, eat clean, you know, high protein, low carbs, or at least lay off the sugar, complex carbs, and I'm not...

01:59:59.000 Particularly afraid of fats.

02:00:01.000 I eat a lot of eggs.

02:00:02.000 Eat the whole egg.

02:00:03.000 Eat the yolk.

02:00:03.000 Don't just go with the egg whites.

02:00:06.000 Unless you're trying to lose weight, then you might want to think about it.

02:00:10.000 But even still, a couple yolks are good.

02:00:14.000 And you have to go to the gym for that mental wellness.

02:00:18.000 You know, the actual exercise is what actually releases the endorphins in your brain.

02:00:24.000 It's what makes you feel good.

02:00:26.000 So even if I know people that struggle with getting out of the house, you know, they're just like, just getting my shoes on is rough and stuff.

02:00:35.000 And there are times where I feel it today.

02:00:37.000 Me and my girlfriend, she had to go to the doctor this morning, and then we came back, and I had a headache because I didn't have a coffee in the morning.

02:00:44.000 I didn't have my caffeine, and I still had to drag my butt out of the house and go to the gym.

02:00:49.000 And once I did, I felt better.

02:00:53.000 But, Chris, Ezra, thank you guys for coming.

02:00:57.000 Why don't you tell people where they can find you?

02:00:59.000 I'm going to plug something.

02:01:00.000 Now's your chance.

02:01:01.000 Alright, you can find me on Instagram, on X, at Chris Pavlovsky, on True Social, at Chris, and on Rumble, Chris Rumble.

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02:01:26.000 And I just want to say thanks again to Chris.

02:01:28.000 There's no way Rebel News on our own could have taken this on.

02:01:32.000 But it's sort of fun to team up with the big guys.

02:01:34.000 Chris is doing wonderful things for free speech.

02:01:37.000 Yeah, it's really true.

02:01:39.000 Sweet. You can find me online at Shane Cashman.

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