00:03:52.000It's hard to know what's actually happening, but what I can tell you is that Republicans better get their acting gear because the midterms are coming up like two and a half months.
00:04:36.000It's all like semi planned, like, you know, it kind of makes me cringe, but we'll get into it.
00:04:43.000I talked about it earlier today, but it's all, I don't want to call it scripted, but you kind of know as a nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
00:04:51.000Everybody kind of already knows what's going to happen.
00:04:53.000To put it simply, for those that are wondering, and I won't waste time, the dude had a beanie in his pocket in 96 degree weather in Los Angeles.
00:05:17.000But I have a lot to talk about, and we'll get into all of that stuff with Jubilee.
00:05:23.000But we also have the death of Hayden Panettiere, as well as the Lindsey Clancy story, where women are lining up to dump money on a woman who admitted to killing her children, all three of her children.
00:05:35.000And they're claiming she's innocent because her zodiac sign.
00:05:49.000Why should your messaging app need to know anything about you?
00:05:53.000Most of us have already accepted that technology companies collect enormous amounts of information what we click, where we go, what we buy, who we interact with.
00:05:59.000That information is valuable because your attention is valuable.
00:06:20.000All I got to say is when you sign up for a messaging app, I don't understand why they want me to give all of my private information, right?
00:07:25.000Ian's Graphene Dream is the second favorite, low acidity.
00:07:29.000So, if coffee makes your stomach upset because sometimes it can have a lot of acid, it can be very acidic, then pick up some Graphene Dream.
00:07:35.000We also got Decaf, Sleepy Joe, and I'm sorry, Unwoke is sold out.
00:08:52.000They have a patent where, in order to, it had a bunch of applications, but one of them that they presented was in order to speed up an ad, you would applaud and say, Yes, I love McDonald's.
00:09:58.000I got a million and one people hitting me up.
00:10:01.000And this is the point where I got to say to the Republicans, to the GOP, you guys have lost whatever goodwill was left on this war with Iran.
00:10:11.000I got normies that, you know, for a while were like, eh, you know, like people that I talk to, because I'm a poker guy, right?
00:10:17.000So I'm talking to regular people out in the middle of nowhere, and they'll say, well, you know, like every president started a war.
00:10:42.000I mean, historically, he's got, you know, his mouth gets in front of his brain a lot.
00:10:47.000You know, he'll sit there and he'll make some kind of audacious remark.
00:10:52.000But to your point about, you know, people losing, you know, faith in the GOP because of the Iran war, I don't disagree, but I don't know exactly what the right move would be.
00:11:04.000Like, do you just say, okay, done and pull out?
00:11:07.000I mean, I don't know what, you know, what kind of options the administration has now.
00:11:14.000I mean, I think this is why it's so frustrating because this is, you know, at the outset of the war, what all of us Trump supporters were saying, why we were so frustrated with, you know, with the operation.
00:11:24.000You know, many were like, well, you're not trusting the plan.
00:11:25.000It's like, well, no, because there isn't really a logical victory condition here.
00:11:32.000I mean, the victory condition is what regime change.
00:11:35.000That would be the only thing you could walk away from this war and say, you know, from whatever our goals may be in the region, that it would be worth it.
00:11:41.000But we knew that was going to be impossible.
00:11:44.000A, from Iraq and Afghanistan, that was a disaster.
00:11:47.000And those are countries far less complex than Iran.
00:11:50.000I mean, Iran is an incredibly complex country, very ideological.
00:11:55.000This is the one thing that the proponents of the war have correct is that, yes, they actually are ideological fanatics.
00:12:00.000And that's what makes this war so difficult.
00:12:02.000That isn't an explanation for why we should go to war with Iran.
00:12:04.000That's actually a caution not to go to war with Iran, is hey, they're ideological fanatics, insofar as no matter who you take out, they're going to put in more officials that will possess the exact same ideology.
00:12:16.000So, from the outset, this is going to be very difficult to get out of without like total victory.
00:12:21.000And I think all of us knew that that was mathematically very unlikely to happen.
00:12:26.000And here we are, where we've seen reporting from various outlets throughout the war that Trump is fed up with this.
00:12:35.000But to your point, Phil, I mean, what off ramp is there?
00:12:37.000I mean, the off ramp would have been near the beginning of the war, which was take out their nuclear facilities like we did last summer and then figure out a stalemate.
00:12:44.000Instead, now we're vying for control over the Strait, which, you know, the status quo was the Strait was open.
00:12:50.000So returning to the status quo would be victory.
00:13:05.000You have about a three to six month window with controversial, you know, if you're expending political capital, you have about three to six months to mop that up before the normies notice.
00:13:13.000The normies are starting to notice now.
00:13:15.000You're seeing it reflected in the approval ratings.
00:13:17.000And they're now asking, like, okay, the gas prices are high and now they're not going down.
00:14:10.000But guys, go to any other rating metric from any other industry, and ratings are in the gutter.
00:14:18.000And it's kind of crazy because I've said, like, obviously for us, when you're in a political, like when you're off cycle in politics, we expect the viewership to decline.
00:14:27.000But now I'm looking at other viewership metrics in other areas, like TV shows, for instance, and like Disney Plus, and like we're seeing a decline in ratings on cable TV, everything.
00:14:50.000And you go back seven months, and they were getting 800,000.
00:14:53.000Who would have thought that President Trump was actually going to be the Harding candidate or the Harding president that brought us back to normalcy?
00:14:58.000And so far as like normies feel like they can finally disengage from politics, disengage from thinking, and return back to the bread and circuses.
00:15:05.000But the bread and circuses, we have a lapse right now, and gas is really expensive.
00:15:09.000So they're putting down the bread and circuses for a second, reengaging with like the news cycle, maybe not our like the podcast.
00:15:14.000Cycle and they're like, oh, wait, Trump started a war?
00:15:20.000What if USAID was funneling money for internet bots to create the perception of population?
00:15:30.000You think there's a lot of people, population is growing and whatever, because you're getting, you're seeing a million views in a video, two million, and the views are going up and up and up.
00:15:42.000And then Trump cuts all that funding off.
00:16:00.000But it's the perception when the photos go out to outside North Korea that, like, hey, you know, everything's kind of happening in Pyongyang.
00:16:06.000Literally, they know at midnight it all shuts off.
00:17:24.000I don't know how much USAID, I don't know that you can overstate how much the effect of.
00:17:31.000Getting rid of USAID is having globally, never mind just with media and stuff like that.
00:17:37.000I do think that it's likely that the money that USAID was funneling around was heavily influencing basically anywhere that they could possibly dump money into.
00:17:51.000They were doing it just to pad what was a progressive mindset.
00:17:56.000I think a good heat check will be 2028 for the Democrat primaries is what will the size of the rallies be?
00:19:34.000Not only were they astroturfing a global media empire, but they wanted the ad industry to cut off money from any of the competitors to their controlled media.
00:19:55.000Let me just start by saying, guys, USAID is the boogeyman you thought it was.
00:20:00.000It was doing the things you thought it did.
00:20:03.000And right now, since it's been about a year since it was nuked, we are seeing viewership metrics across the board for basically everybody going down.
00:20:10.000And this can be explained in a lot of different ways.
00:20:13.000It could be that TikTok and Instagram are taking over, long form views are going down.
00:20:17.000But I'm seeing, even for a lot of people who produce shorts on YouTube, their views on shorts are way down, which is also very strange.
00:20:24.000YouTube's now announced they're going to change the way they count views to try to get those numbers back up.
00:20:28.000They're like, the moment you click it, it's a view now because they're just, they know it's all dropping.
00:20:34.000I wonder how much of our online consumption was fake viewer numbers and fake comments to trick people into believing an idea was popular.
00:20:44.000The idea is this the propaganda network can make a post saying Donald Trump is bad.
00:20:50.000Then they can get 100 bots to comment on it, give it fake views.
00:20:55.000So to the average American, They see this video with a million views and a thousand, ten thousand comments, all saying Trump sucks, and they think that is the popular opinion.
00:21:05.000And when you take a look at how people, particularly women, like I'm just trying to be real, which is how they react to stories like Lindsey Clancy, they just say, okay, fine, whatever is socially acceptable, I'll pretend to believe.
00:21:19.000So tell me, Alan, what's going on with this?
00:21:27.000So over several years, they gave $400 million to this.
00:21:31.000Organization called Internews, and it's run.
00:21:34.000They have various outposts around the world.
00:21:36.000They have a European wing, they have an African wing, Middle Eastern wing, and all they do is train journalists and train media backed by this huge, train journalists and media backed by this huge funnel of US government money that has obviously since been cut off.
00:21:51.000And what our report focuses on here is the fact that Internews CEO, as late as 2024, was saying that it was trying to whip up the advertising industry to do the kind of boycotts.
00:22:03.000That cut off, that used to cut off establishment media.
00:22:05.000They used to starve anti establishment media off ad dollars.
00:22:10.000So, not only were they cultivating a global media empire, astroturfing it essentially with US federal taxpayer dollars, they were also trying to censor the competition with ad blacklists.
00:22:22.000And I find this story, I come back to this story often because you'll, again and again, you'll see people like Stephen Colbert, you'll see liberal media saying, I can't, it's so, how could we lack the compassion to take away aid, aid from around the world?
00:22:37.000They were hiding a global influence operation in USAID.
00:22:40.000They weren't just feeding starving children.
00:22:43.000It's funny because it's like it's literally a network of super villains dominating the world through surreptitious means, manipulation, lies.
00:22:57.000I don't even necessarily disagree with the US employing soft power around the world.
00:23:02.000This is the normal thing that all great powers do.
00:23:05.000The problem is that so many of these organizations, and we see here with the ad blacklists, We're pushing censorship off domestic US media as well.
00:23:13.000They did it all through the previous administration.
00:23:15.000It's one thing if you have, like, a, you know, for black, a better word, a ministry of culture that's promoting, like, I don't know, like, top gun to the world.
00:23:21.000And it's like that you could presumably see how that would benefit American soft power or even like just amplifying, you know, the aspects of American culture that we would like to export to the world, right?
00:23:31.000That reflect better on us or maybe that, like, sort of finger wag at the rest of the world and say, like, hey, you know, we're still the top dog.
00:23:38.000But, you know, we can all, I think, you know, we can all like flush out how that money actually got spent and sort of the.
00:23:45.000Well, I mean, Afghanistan was a perfect example, right?
00:23:50.000Whether or not, like, regardless of your opinions on the morality of young girls going to school, trying to tell people that live in the tribal regions that are very religious that no, you have to accept homosexuality or people that are extremely against those kind of progressive ideals, the Pride Progress flag.
00:24:19.000It is preferable from my perspective that young girls can go to school.
00:24:25.000It is preferable from my perspective that women be allowed to, you know, own property or go to work by themselves or whatever.
00:24:33.000That's the kind of society that I want to live in.
00:24:35.000But that doesn't mean that you can just export those ideas to other countries and other cultures that have lived the way they live now for hundreds or thousands of years, you know, like, and it's not a good policy to try to make every other country in the world into a Modern liberal progressive society because they just don't have the ability to do that.
00:25:00.000You can't take people that have lived a way for a certain way for a thousand years or whatever and say, Okay, now we're going to turn on the lights.
00:25:07.000Yeah, we can just put sorry, but simplify it.
00:25:11.000You can't tell a bunch of Afghani goat herders to be gay.
00:25:16.000Well, actually, that's not that's a better way to put that because maybe you can't put a bunch of pride flags and trans stuff in front of a bunch of Afghani goat herders because I think a lot of them probably are gay.
00:25:35.000No, I think the problem is like, and I guess it's good that we have a Brit here because this is like a good, like, to distinguish is like colonialism, was it good or bad?
00:25:43.000It's like, well, what we've been conducting is like left wing colonialism, right?
00:25:46.000Where like we are imposing our will on the world, but then we're imposing like an obviously ideologically left wing, well, ideology.
00:25:54.000But like the Brits, I think, are a great example of like colonialism as it should be understood, which is inherently hierarchical, where they would go into somewhere.
00:26:01.000I don't know, like, you know, Afghanistan, maybe not the greatest example, but like India.
00:26:06.000And they go in and they're like, actually, no, we're not interested in like helping you govern your own affairs.
00:26:11.000Like, what you guys are doing is ridiculous.
00:26:12.000We're going to come in and like impose our will because we're actually correct and like have a hierarchical system and they're confident in what they believe, et cetera.
00:26:19.000And they impose their will on whatever country they decided to colonize and it benefited everyone involved, unarguably, versus the way the United States has conducted our empire has just been a disaster everywhere you go.
00:26:31.000And I hate to admit this as an American, but.
00:26:33.000Maybe we're not the best at conducting empire.
00:26:36.000Well, yeah, I mean, the European colonial powers have been like incredibly maligned in history.
00:26:41.000I thoroughly recommend the works of Bruce Gilley on this.
00:26:44.000He's a historian over in, I believe, the University of Washington or University of Seattle, perhaps.
00:26:50.000He's written some fantastic books debunking decolonial myths.
00:26:55.000And one thing I get from reading his books, especially about the British Empire, is that they always considered the facts on the ground of every territory they governed.
00:27:03.000They didn't try and impose a single ideology uniformly everywhere.
00:27:08.000Like, if there was a local practice that they were completely horrified by, like, you know, like widow burning in India, which they did.
00:27:16.000Or that thing where the young dudes raped the other young dudes in Afghanistan.
00:28:10.000You know, maybe you could argue they don't like it, but they want it to happen.
00:28:13.000So, like, I'm not even saying it's a joke.
00:28:15.000There may be people who are like crying and sad, but they're like, oh, but it's good because I'll be, you know, doing the right thing or something.
00:28:21.000But to your point, yeah, I mean, like the British, for example, like they had a line in the sand of like what was like actually moral.
00:28:35.000But when it came to like, I don't know, procedural things, they were just like, yeah, do your own thing and like we'll extract resources and, You know, just leave us alone, we leave you alone.
00:28:44.000Where the Americans come in, and this is the and Trump made this point, and it's like an absolutely correct point in 2016 when he was like critiquing the Iraq war.
00:28:52.000He wasn't doing it for like libtard, like anti war reasons or whatever.
00:28:58.000Like, we did all this work, we built all these highways, like sent all these men to die and whatnot, and like we didn't actually extract anything from there.
00:29:05.000So, he actually had this very correct understanding of how like empire should work, which is it's mutually beneficial, it benefits the people because you're providing them with like Western governance.
00:29:15.000And it benefits us because we're extracting resources.
00:29:18.000But the American neoconservative, neoliberal, whatever you want to call it, the main flaw is that it's purely like a benevolent colonialism where we're just trying to impose an ideology on them and nothing else is to be gained.
00:29:29.000We were almost hesitant to extract resources because we felt bad about it.
00:29:33.000Meanwhile, the British went into Iraq and they were like, wait, all these artifacts you have, you're like using them to hold up stoves?
00:29:40.000No, we're going to take that, we're going to keep it in the museum.
00:29:42.000We'll make sure you guys stop killing each other, stop burning the widows.
00:29:46.000So, like, they came in, they had a very rigid hierarchy, and unless there was an infraction upon that, they would leave them their own affairs, and the United States is the complete enemy.
00:29:56.000And one key thing which they recognized was that they had this general idea that they wanted their colonies to eventually be able to self govern and have constitutionalism, but they also recognized that not every colony, not every society would move there at the same speed, not everyone was ready.
00:30:13.000And going back to the historian, I'm reading his biography of Alan Burns, who was the British Empire's defender at the United Nations in the 1950s, when every nation was trying to get Britain to decolonize.
00:30:24.000And what he repeats again and again to the other delegations, especially the Soviet Union, was that not every colony is ready for independence right now.
00:30:37.000Well, and then the British decided to give up on that in the 1960s and 1970s.
00:30:40.000And I guess Ian Smith was the last guy that was still adhering to that.
00:31:19.000I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, while we can concede that, like, of course there were, you know, whatever atrocities may have occurred.
00:31:29.000That's just like part of, I don't know, human history.
00:31:33.000So, this idea that like, you know, every European colonial power was supposed to behave 100%, you know, play a perfect game for 400 years, like, obviously that's not going to happen.
00:31:42.000To your point, it's like, I don't know, if we're to weigh out like the atrocities that happened during colonial rule versus decolonization, I think far more blood was shed in like literally the 10 years of decolonization in Africa than like the hundreds of years of colonial rule in.
00:31:55.000I want to, speaking of the media stuff, jump to this story.
00:32:01.000See a 90% reduction in viewers after a change in algorithm.
00:32:05.000Are we witnessing mass censorship or just a huge bug in the system?
00:32:11.000Alex Jones fires the bat signal to Elon Musk.
00:32:14.000I'm just going to go ahead and say right off the bat, as we've already been mentioning, everything is down in terms of viewership, literally everything across the board.
00:32:23.000Like I mentioned, there was a sports podcast that I was watching, and I was shocked to find that one of the biggest, they got like 100,000 views, and I jumped back a year and they were getting 800,000 views.
00:32:36.000In this summer, where people have just stopped watching.
00:32:38.000Now, we are presuming, perhaps, it was all USAID that they were attempting to prop up, either through bots or otherwise, various channels to make it seem like they were more popular than they really were.
00:32:52.000Let's say Tate makes the funniest joke in the world and it naturally gets a million views.
00:32:56.000We don't want that to be culturally relevant, so we find some other person and give him 10 million views, prop them up, put them on the front page of TikTok, and tell everybody to chop off their dung dung or whatever.
00:33:06.000Well, Alex Jones believes that there is a conspiracy.
00:33:12.000I'll play a clip in a second, but I responded.
00:33:14.000And I said, My honest opinion is that you can't go pro Trump for 10 years and then Trump critical and be surprised if your audience drops up.
00:33:20.000This is not an insult or even a criticism.
00:33:23.000It is a point of observation to which Alex called boomer slop.
00:33:29.000My response is open an ice cream shop, and over the years, you have customers who love it.
00:33:34.000One day you announce you're going to be vegan ice cream, and customers stop coming in.
00:33:51.000I don't have any strong explanations as to why a sports podcast viewership was down, or just, you know, you look at some of these other big shows on YouTube and everyone's viewership is down.
00:34:31.000Now she's saying basically that Turning Point is bad, Trump is bad, pulling the moderates and the suburban women who voted for Republicans away.
00:34:40.000This is the Pied Piper strategy, in my opinion.
00:35:13.000Alex then went from being police critical, you know, him, Paul Joseph Watson would do a lot of police brutality videos, very libertarian and conspiratorial too.
00:35:23.000Now we are supporting the government as long as it's Trump.
00:35:26.000You spend 10 years building up that audience.
00:36:00.000Lumped him in with Candace, with Tucker, with Megyn Kelly.
00:36:04.000The difference between him and the other three is that Alex has been going to the mat for Trump for 10 years, to your point, where Candace, Chameleon, we could lay that all out.
00:36:15.000Tucker, people always knew he was somewhat Trump critical.
00:36:17.000He was pretty critical prior to, you know, 2016, obviously, or 2017.
00:36:22.000And then even 2020, as all that was going on during his generational run, you know, texts were coming out that he was pretty critical of Trump and that sort of thing.
00:36:28.000So people always understood Tucker always had one foot out.
00:36:31.000Megyn Kelly, Do I even need to say she's always had a bone to pick with Trump?
00:36:34.000So, with them, when they start to do their own thing, the audience is already primed for that.
00:36:38.000They're like, Of course, that's why I'm following you because I know you're not a Trump loyalist.
00:36:41.000Alex Jones, that's why your point's so excellent, is yeah, his audience was all Trump loyalists.
00:36:47.000They were all like, This guy goes to the mat.
00:36:49.000Yes, he's a bit kooky, even though, like, infamously with the jar behind me, he turns out to be correct oftentimes.
00:36:54.000But people understood this is a guy that has identified that Trump is the bull in the China shop and he's going to provide the commentary to explain what he's doing.
00:37:03.000So, Alex Jones, I think, separate from the rest of them, got put in this tough spot with Trump's latest decisions where he's like, Well, I don't know about this whole Iran war thing.
00:37:12.000But yeah, when you flip on Trump and you're known as a Trump loyalist, like, you know, in pop culture broadly, yeah, your audience probably isn't going to follow you.
00:37:18.000They're going to go elsewhere to find.
00:37:44.000Candace, unfortunately, I think has a pretty large domestic audience, but I think she's tapping into an audience that was never conservative.
00:37:51.000I don't even know if they're really political.
00:37:53.000She's tapped into like the TMZ audience, if I had to guess.
00:38:45.000That's just the reality of the situation.
00:38:46.000Where Tucker and Megyn Kelly, Tucker, I do think might have a larger contingent of his audience that is foreign, but Tucker does have like a bit of a younger audience.
00:38:55.000Megyn Kelly, I don't know what's going on there.
00:38:57.000I don't even know if she's getting great viewership anyway.
00:39:00.000But yeah, Candace is tapped into an audience that's never been engaged politically to begin with.
00:39:05.000And that's actually a really bad thing because it's like if it took you till 2026 to get engaged politically, like you're cooked.
00:39:11.000Like you'll take anything and you're not going to be able to think clearly.
00:39:14.000Like, yeah, I guess if you entered the political spectrum in 2026, you would think that.
00:39:19.000Everything is trying to kill you at all times.
00:39:22.000And I'm not doing this to insult Megyn Kelly or anything.
00:39:25.000I'm not going to pretend like, you know, right now, live on YouTube, we have 13,500 concurrent views.
00:39:31.000On Rumble, we have 11,000, which is, well, I'll just say this.
00:39:37.000This same time in the political cycle, in the previous political cycle, we were averaging around 27,000 concurrents, which we're doing right now.
00:40:17.000Megyn Kelly was crushing it a year ago.
00:40:20.000And so, again, this is not meant to be derisive, but her views are very, very down.
00:40:25.000It's kind of mind blowing to me, to be completely honest, because my morning show still averages about 180,000 per clip, and I do three or four per day.
00:40:33.000Yeah, but imagine if you came out and you made a video and you said, you know what?
00:40:37.000Actually, I think skateboarding is pretty gay, and I hate skateboarding.
00:40:41.000They'd be like, even if they're not skateboarding fans, they'd be like, the reason Tim's going to flip on a dime like that, I can't trust this guy.
00:40:47.000And that's what a lot of people are experiencing is they're doing a sudden heel turn.
00:40:50.000And even if they agree, they're just like, that's not why I subscribed.
00:40:54.000Like, I understood who you were and what your politics were.
00:40:56.000But it turns out you have this very schizophrenic ideology that I just can't compartmentalize.
00:41:06.000I'm not saying she's not, this one's got 370,000.
00:41:10.000But when Alex Jones is saying, oh, they're striking at the algorithm, they're lowering reviews, it's like, I mean, bro, everybody who played this game with Trump is seeing that for sure.
00:41:19.000And you can't be pro Trump for 10 years.
00:41:41.000He said that he used to have the biggest show on Sirius.
00:41:43.000It's because people would get in their cars, turn the car on, and the Jason Ellis show is on.
00:41:47.000When COVID happened and people aren't driving anymore, he started hearing from people saying, Man, I used to listen to your show all the time.
00:42:12.000Yeah, there's also this weird, there's like a type of person.
00:42:15.000I think Alex Jones and Megyn Kelly fit into this perfectly.
00:42:18.000I'd be curious what you guys think of a person that is famous and everyone knows who they are and what they stand for, but they don't actually like watch their stuff.
00:42:25.000They're just a famous person, but they're almost like a.
00:42:35.000But no one's really like watching his data.
00:42:37.000Or, you know, not no one, but a lot of, like, the majority of people aren't, like, watching his day to day stuff.
00:42:41.000And to be fair to Alex Jones, like, if anybody is going to speculate that they're, like, a victim of the algorithm, he would have a good case because he's been consistently banned through his whole career.
00:42:49.000But I'm tired of seeing people that, like, aren't actually saying anything that's, like, particularly, like, dangerous or edgy that are, like, the algorithm's targeting me.
00:42:56.000I'm like, oh, your content just sucks.
00:43:14.000So it's a combination of things, right?
00:43:17.000You're going to get less, less dollars per thousand because advertisers, the bids are going to go down and they're going to see less traffic on these videos and they're going to, they're going to, they're not going to prioritize them.
00:43:28.000So if you're an advertiser and YouTube says, look, we can get you 20,000 views, you're going to be like, eh.
00:45:46.000And then everyone said, how come Rumble's views to comments ratios are different?
00:45:50.000Because the rest of them are fake, because Reddit is fake, because YouTube is fake, because those are where they're trying to prop things up to make you convinced what's popular, like Reddit being a great example.
00:46:01.000So I'll just say this about Rumble as to why there's a handful of reasons and ways that we've tested because we're like, you know, first, I trust Chris and the SEC did investigate them, but we have sales.
00:46:15.000And then we actually track our metrics across the board from video to video, and everything looks.
00:46:21.000If you were, if we were, when we ignore platform and we combine all our views, seasonally everything looks very much the same as it always has.
00:46:30.000It's just that some views are now in Rumble and some are now in YouTube, but all the metrics look the same.
00:46:55.000And then instantly, conservatives started seeing their follower counts skyrocket, and liberals started seeing their follower counts rapidly decline.
00:48:10.000But that was when I was like, you know, first of all, I'll say it again.
00:48:12.000Like, when all this was going down, I'm like, there is a weird coordinate effort to get an ad boycott of Rumble because Rumble was basically saying, we're going to allow people to say what they want.
00:48:42.000Yeah, I mean, look, YouTube really did, has done significant damage to their own brand just by, you know, by the censorship stuff, by the fact that they definitely put their finger on the scale for some creators or some opinions and stuff.
00:48:59.000And there's still a lot of people that look at the limitations and the censorship surrounding COVID.
00:49:06.000And they got to, you know, that's what, that was the whole genesis of Rumble in the first place, is people looked at YouTube and they knew they couldn't say this, couldn't say that.
00:49:14.000And Rumble stepped into a, A place where people were looking for that kind of unadulterated commentary, right?
00:49:24.000And whether you agree with people on Rumble or a particular creator on Rumble or not, doesn't matter.
00:49:29.000People know that if they go to Rumble, they can say whatever they want.
00:49:34.000And you've got some people that say fairly risque stuff.
00:49:36.000You know, it's not totally free for all, but you know, like, I mean, Myron is over on Rumble, if I understand correctly, and he likes to say things to get people worked up.
00:49:48.000Like that on Rumble because it is actually a place where they can express themselves.
00:49:53.000Well, what have you guys noticed, at least in like, I don't know, consumer trends broadly in this new paradigm that we're in?
00:49:59.000Consumer trends, we haven't been monitoring that closely.
00:50:01.000I will say on the Rumble point, though, the interesting little tidbit we've been monitoring this growth of this term digital sovereignty in non US countries, Europe, Canada, Australia.
00:50:14.000And this is the idea that Silicon Valley companies have all gone right wing.
00:50:19.000We have to build our own tech companies.
00:50:21.000And I was watching a panel recently, Canadian news channel, TBO.
00:50:27.000So, it must have been an hour and a half that they were discussing how can Canada build up its own tech sector, build up its own tech companies, its own tech platforms, so we don't have to rely on Elon Musk and these supposedly right wing tech platforms.
00:50:44.000And not once in an hour and a half did they mention Rumble, which is a Canadian company.
00:50:48.000So, yeah, they want digital sovereignty, but digital sovereignty has to confirm that the new native, the newer local companies have to.
00:51:01.000Well, it's kind of ironic because, I mean, well, I guess it's not that ironic, but some people remarked recently that 4chan is effectively dead, that it's just like a total, like, you know, it's always been a pretty seedy place, but like it's especially dead, like user traffic's down, et cetera.
00:51:15.000Someone made the point that all that really happened was now that Twitter is kind of a wild west, that most of what you would have seen on 4chan has just ended up on Twitter, like sort of in the anon sphere, right?
00:51:24.000Where it's like, where did the term anon come from?
00:51:27.000When you post, it says your name's anonymous.
00:51:30.000And that kind of culture, you know, that digital culture has now migrated onto Twitter.
00:51:34.000We're now that sort of those edgy thoughts or, you know, ideas or whatever that you would have found on 4chan previously now live on Twitter X almost exclusively.
00:52:18.000You see a lot of the stuff that was on 4chan on X.
00:52:25.000And it makes sense because one of the things that 4chan used to love to do was go to.
00:52:30.000You know, normie sites and either do raids or try to get people to believe some kind of outlandish story.
00:52:38.000Like the okay sign, like that came from 4chan, you know?
00:52:41.000So, I mean, 4chan so thoroughly, you know, eviscerated everyone in that sort of culture war that now you see like liberals, leftists, pundits, or politicians like sort of regurgitating stuff that you would have seen aesthetically on 4chan like 10 years ago.
00:52:58.000Like you'll see Gavin Newsom post like a soy jack or something to describe JD Vance.
00:53:02.000And it's like, Sure, you're attacking a right winger, but like you're using our language, so that is like an implicit right wing cultural victory in an interesting way.
00:53:10.000They say the right wing can't do culture, but look at Pepe the Frog, yeah, yeah, that's our modern Picasso in many ways.
00:53:17.000Um, no, but thank you for your service.
00:53:19.000You indirectly got President Trump elected, and here we are, so thank you, veteran of the meme war.
00:53:24.000The first Game of Gate book from Passage Press should be out next year.
00:53:30.000I was uh reading through Scott Greer's new white pill book through Passage, and it's like A fascinating anthropology where it kind of puts things in perspective of, okay, while we can just sit in this current moment, look around and be like, things are pretty bad, to see how hopeless things really were 10 years ago and how thoroughly the online right has changed culture for better or for worse is fascinating.
00:53:52.000So that book's a really good cultural anthropology of how we got here, but what the mechanics were in the right wing that led to this current moment.
00:54:11.000Just have to look at basically the internet, right?
00:54:15.000Like the influence that the right has had, you know, whether it be like you were saying, you know, Gavin Newsom posting soy jacks or, you know, the vice president, you know, actually the memes that come out of the White House, just the fact that the White House.
00:54:48.000What's interesting now is, and I guess it was the point I was making earlier, it seems like X is the engine room now of sort of popular meme age.
00:54:54.000Like, if you go on Instagram, that's such a cringe word.
00:54:56.000But if you go on like Instagram reels, you're just seeing stuff that you would have seen on Twitter like two weeks ago, now finally breaking in.
00:55:03.000And you go to 4chan now, and it's like a total ghetto.
00:55:05.000Like, there's, they're no longer like upstream when you like go browse through B or whatever.
00:55:10.000Like, they're totally in their own world now.
00:55:12.000And nothing that happened, not nothing, but the majority of discourse happening on there doesn't trickle into the mainstream anymore.
00:55:18.000Like, you would have seen even maybe five years ago.
00:55:20.000Yeah, I mean, that's likely because, like you said, they really kind of have gone to Twitter because the point of a lot of the stuff that was going on on X was to create influence or to be able to affect the conversation.
00:55:35.000And now there's no need to do it, you know, kind of in the same kind of subversive fashion.
00:55:40.000They can actually get onto X and maybe they have an anonymous account, but they don't have to just, you know, throw bombs the way that they did on 4chan.
00:55:48.000They can actually, you know, express their ideas, whether or not.
00:55:51.000They get traction that's kind of based on the value of the idea in and of itself.
00:55:56.000Let's jump to the internet drama that is me.
00:55:58.000I saved this for later in the show because I don't want to lead a show just off myself.
00:56:02.000But I did a surrounded Tim Pool versus 20 progressives.
00:56:06.000And I just want to say right off the bat, I'm accused of rage quitting.
00:56:11.000Tim Pool says you say BS to get money.
00:56:13.000Tim Pool storms out of debate with 20 progressives.
00:56:19.000I got up and walked 10 feet away, stood next to the camera for 10 seconds, and then walked back and sat back down because the whole thing is fake.
00:56:25.000But I'll explain everything in greater detail.
00:56:27.000But let me just say the Jubilee crew was extremely professional.
00:58:47.000What I can say is clearly a stunt was planned by someone, and someone gave him information as to who was going to be there because there's only one person stupid enough to wear a flannel overshirt, black undershirt, and a black beanie in 96 degree Los Angeles weather, and that's me.
00:59:06.000So when he pulled a beanie out of his pocket, I was like, you don't have that on accident, okay?
00:59:09.000What I will say is I had informed some of the people there already.
00:59:13.000Hey, look, I'd seen Ben Shapiro when that trans man flipped the chair around, sat there, and just berated him, and he sat there and took it.
00:59:19.000If someone's going to come here and there's no intention of a real conversation, they just want a clip, I'm going to get up and walk out, which is going to be great TV.
00:59:31.000The moment he started monologuing, and I realized we're not having a conversation, he's just clip farming.
00:59:36.000When he pulled the hat out, I'm like, it's all you, brother.
00:59:40.000And quite literally after the show, like 10 seconds, you see me walk off camera, he says his thing, I literally walk right back, and then everyone claps.
01:00:08.000But I think a lot of them are just, there's probably a casting company or something, and they're looking for talent with certain political opinions to discuss certain things.
01:00:18.000I think everyone knows that's actually how they do it.
01:00:20.000So these people coming here are not intending to have a conversation on the merits.
01:00:24.000They're intending to have a conversation to get as many clips as possible because they know these videos get millions of views.
01:00:28.000I think this is also what's killing the space.
01:00:31.000I think it's also very bad for Surrounded, for Jubilee.
01:00:34.000I don't think they do it intentionally.
01:00:36.000I think Jubilee actually tried to make it more conversational.
01:00:40.000I don't want to say too much about behind the scenes because it's a lot of their business, but I'll just tell you there was a point where the director was like, guys, please stop doing this.
01:00:48.000Like, they would be like, okay, my next claim is this thing.
01:00:53.000And then the dude comes and sits down.
01:00:55.000And it's later like, F you, Tim Pool, you're ugly and you wear a stupid hat.
01:01:35.000For me, well, I care about the issues, I care about the merits, and I want to talk about certain ideas.
01:01:41.000So, when they sit down with me and I say, I think thing is happening, and they go, You're a grifter, they're doing that because they know liberals click things based on emotional satisfaction and insults.
01:02:17.000When we filmed this, it goes like this My first claim is X. My next claim is X.
01:02:24.000And my last claim is X. You say, and I mean X as a literal variable, meaning I don't just say my first claim is that the Democrats are more violent.
01:02:34.000My next claim is that the Constitution is, no, no, no.
01:02:36.000You literally say my first claim is the Democrats are violent.
01:02:41.000And my final claim is that Democrats are violent.
01:02:43.000Because, for editing purposes, they want to make sure, and I actually agree with this to a certain extent, that if someone knows something about me and they bring up a context that doesn't make sense, you, the viewer, are going to be like, I don't understand what he's saying.
01:02:56.000So they go by the flow of the conversation based on the points made.
01:03:00.000However, this was, I believe, the last point that was made, and it may be because on the question of the Constitution, no one had anything to say.
01:03:10.000I'm sitting around all of these people, and they're like, okay, if you'd like to debate the Constitution, get ready.
01:03:16.000And they all kind of shrugged because they don't know how to have a high level, multi order thinking conversation, which my claim was, and I'm assuming it's in there, I guess, that the Constitution effectively does not exist, which was before claim number three.
01:03:32.000And I specifically outlined this to them.
01:03:34.000You cannot introduce a claim that we're tracking towards a civil war without understanding the context of a body politic and what constitutes a body politic.
01:03:42.000Of course, they chose to arrange it as they thought made the most sense for the viewer.
01:03:45.000And I understood why they were going to do that.
01:03:49.000And I showed him the four, and I said, these actually go in escalating order for a reason.
01:03:53.000And to say, to have a conversation about the propensity towards civil war and not talk about, I'm assuming the Constitution was claimed for.
01:04:05.000When it got to the issue of the Constitution, the reason they may have moved it is because the progressives all completely agree we have no Constitution.
01:04:13.000There are two distinct political bodies in the United States, each of them views themselves as what constitutes the moral underpinnings of the United States.
01:04:22.000And both are diametrically opposed to each other.
01:04:27.000There is no more a unified view of what America is with a disagreement over its politics.
01:04:31.000There's quite literally a dominant democratic socialist of America arguing there should be no Senate and we should have a parliamentary system instead.
01:04:39.000That is so far off the deep end, it literally says no to the first article of the Constitution.
01:04:50.000We literally have a dominant political faction in the country saying we reject the Constitution, not the Bill of Rights.
01:04:58.000So, when they do, this is what I say that we don't have a constitution when you've got one side arguing for laws and policies that defy the initial articles as well as the amendments and the Bill of Rights and the following amendments.
01:05:15.000So, long story short, like the guy right there in the green shirt, he had no argument whatsoever.
01:05:22.000He literally got up there and then just started screaming, saying, He agreed with me, a civil war is coming and it's your fault, Tim Pool.
01:05:29.000And then there's a really funny point.
01:05:31.000Which they did include, where something happened where I was like, who's next or whatever?
01:05:38.000And then I'm like, I guess we are tracking towards a Civil War because these people were all like, it was after this guy said something like, something bad should happen to me.
01:05:46.000So I don't know if you guys, if you have any questions or whatever, but the long and short of it is it's WWE, right?
01:05:55.000Well, I mean, as someone that spends a lot of time with Tim Pool, I can attest to the fact that he's certainly a moderate.
01:06:09.000I mean, I think you just have positions that are liberal and some that are conservative, and then on the whole, it does come out moderate.
01:06:14.000These people are always scandalized because they get up and they think they're going to debate, you know, a big or something because they think you're like super over it.
01:06:20.000And they meet him and they're like, oh, this is like a really pragmatic guy.
01:06:23.000Well, actually, with all due respect to some of them, there's one guy.
01:07:19.000There's just the ones that get all the attention for obvious reasons are the ones who are pulling stunts, like putting a beanie in his head, which, to be fair, we invited him explicitly because of this to come on.
01:07:29.000Well, I mean, because Jubilee has demonstrated they can mint commentators more like streamers, I would say.
01:07:34.000We could list probably a dozen sort of personalities that had their big break on Jubilee.
01:07:40.000So these guys come on there looking for their big.
01:07:42.000Clip that they can get to go viral on Twitter.
01:07:44.000And this is what was so frustrating for me with our Culture War show we would invite a conservative and we would invite a liberal, and then Tim would sort of be the moderate, moderating, so to speak.
01:07:54.000But what ended up happening is the liberal would just ignore the conservative and then just go at Tim on one point that they, I guess, thought Tim might be vulnerable on.
01:08:05.000And the entire show would just turn into the liberal trying to clip farm off of Tim and Tim being like, I don't have a super strong opinion on your very niche topic that you're trying to push on me.
01:08:15.000And it really Like, kind of cut through the veneer that I had from like the debate, blood sports, which was that both parties like had like a you know, an ideological disagreement.
01:08:24.000I was like, no, the conservatives typically like did just simply believe what they like sort of spout.
01:08:30.000The liberal was quite literally just like an attention whore, often, oftentimes.
01:08:34.000And I'm not even trying to be like intentionally like you know, inflammatory here.
01:08:37.000They were like quite literally just a like a click whore and they were just trying to clip farm off of Tim.
01:08:41.000Well, I mean, here's here's the reality, and I will say this was as with as much arrogance as I possibly can.
01:08:48.000These are young guys with very limited experience in politics, in life.
01:08:55.000And they want to sit down with people with tremendous experience, both in life, business, conflict, crisis, whatever it may be.
01:09:05.000I mean, just let's simplify it, right?
01:09:09.000You know, Phil is a platinum rock star.
01:09:12.000And imagine a 20 year old who's been in his band six months ago wants to tell Phil how it's done.
01:09:19.000Like Phil's literally been there, done that, and then some.
01:09:23.000And there's a clear gap in the skills and experience he would have versus someone just starting their career.
01:09:27.000And so, what makes this very strange is I suppose to the fault of politics, young people who think they know things with no reason to actually think these things, deciding to get up and scream about things they don't know much about.
01:09:43.000Well, and I think what's going on too is like, you know, if you're playing a game of chess against like a grandmaster, right?
01:09:49.000You're going to meticulously plan out your opening.
01:09:52.000Like, you do not want to get into just a tit for tat battle with the grandmaster.
01:09:55.000You want to have an opening, a game plan.
01:09:57.000You know, you make this move, he makes this move, and then you work your way down the game.
01:10:01.000So, when these people come on to debate guys that are just conservatives, they have this like opening in their head.
01:10:06.000And it's like, okay, when he says this, then I can hit him with this and then take his piece here.
01:10:09.000But when they debate Tim, like what ends up happening is Tim doesn't make that move because he's not just like a, you know, dyed in the wool conservative.
01:10:15.000He's not like, you know, just a Fox News talking head.
01:10:18.000So then what you typically see in these debates is they're still making these points that Tim is not making.
01:10:28.000It's a chess opening that Tim's not making.
01:10:30.000Let me tell you the craziest thing I think out of the whole debate was when I think it was, it might have been the dude in green, I'm not sure, said, it might have been him.
01:10:39.000I said something like, there were people who voted for Donald Trump hoping that migrants would be shot and killed.
01:11:04.000Like, it is insane to me that because their whole position has to be.
01:11:09.000Tim Poole is a conservative and he's wrong about everything.
01:11:12.000That when I literally say something like, there are white supremacists in this country and they did want migrants to be shot, they have to tell me I'm wrong, despite the fact it was their position from the get go.
01:11:27.000That if you agree, like, it's so the point I'm making is when Bugs Bunny, for those that don't know the reference, I think everybody does, Elmer Fudd's in the middle and Daffy's going, it's rabbit season, and Bugs goes, it's duck season.
01:11:40.000And they're going back and forth, and Elmer Fudd doesn't know to shoot.
01:11:42.000Then Bugs Bunny eventually changes it up and goes, It's rabbit season.
01:11:54.000Often, I intentionally will introduce a position where I know I'm going to agree with someone as a trap to see if they're actually having a conversation or if it's a performance.
01:12:04.000So when I say to someone, White supremacists are real, and many of them wanted migrants shot, Guy instantly says, No, they aren't.
01:12:25.000Like everybody in the crowd's laughing because they don't know how to react to the guy they're told is right wing saying something that they should agree with.
01:13:56.000They may have already put it out, I'm not sure.
01:13:58.000But I did this for one reason to quite literally create clips where I'm saying something fairly moderate to liberal and having a progressive argue that it's wrong.
01:14:07.000So, quite literally, I go in there with the intention to say something that the left will lie about me to other people about, creating a clip that will be almost surreal, like me saying white supremacists voted for Trump and they were hoping that migrants would get shot, because I do believe that's true.
01:14:24.000I just don't believe it's the majority.
01:14:26.000I think the last number that was tracked was like 11,000 Klansmen exist in the United States.
01:14:31.000I certainly think many of these people are racist, don't like brown people, but I don't think it's all of Trump supporters.
01:14:38.000I think it's a tiny minority of people who had supported Trump in the past, with obvious examples that prominent white nationalists did vote for Trump, later did not.
01:14:46.000But it creates a situation where I know these people are going to argue the inverse.
01:15:21.000So the sponsors aren't going to see them.
01:15:23.000So I'll go on a jubilee and then I'll argue from a moderate liberal perspective on most of their things.
01:15:29.000And that will create a sort of dissonance in their media ecosystem.
01:15:33.000So now I can take the clips of these people acting like lunatics and me saying things that are actually kind of liberal.
01:15:39.000And then say, oh, it's just fake news.
01:15:42.000Yeah, like me and Tim could argue for an hour on abortion.
01:15:45.000I'll argue with everybody on abortion.
01:15:46.000Yeah, I mean, like Tim has a litany of positions that are liberal, but of course, that's not what's going to be broadcast, especially if people like this have already siloed you in their head.
01:15:55.000Like they have already identified you must be some sort of right winger and it's like their boogeyman that it can neatly fit you into.
01:17:38.000Oh, on the list of things you should never say on your employer's Instagram page, or for legal reasons, things you should never say, I take this threat very seriously.
01:17:51.000And this set off a whole bunch of sirens because when someone says, I mean, there's a lot of things you can say where we get pissed off, but there's very little to be done, such as, he should be beaten.
01:18:13.000This guy does the Poker News podcast, is my understanding.
01:18:17.000And Poker News is present at a lot of these events.
01:18:20.000So naturally, my security team is like, this is a credible threat.
01:18:24.000Where I don't know if he's an employer or what his deal is, but he's a representative of Poker News on the Poker News page saying we should beat him.
01:18:33.000Now we have concerns about potential threats from employees of Poker News who were very nice to me and who I like, aside from this guy.
01:18:39.000This is what it's like out there in the wild with these lunatics.
01:18:43.000This is what the kind of things that we have to deal with.
01:18:45.000So that's why I bring it up because we're taking this very seriously and we're going to be sending out, to the extent that we'll be filing police reports and going after this, we have to, because if this guy makes any appearances at any of these events I'm playing in tournaments at, We're going to have an issue now because he's made a direct threat to other employees of Poker News that they should be physically attacking me.
01:19:05.000So we're going to take that very seriously.
01:19:07.000And reports are currently like, we're currently preparing the process for all those things.
01:19:12.000I do believe he may have deleted it already, but look, it got 30 likes.
01:19:16.000This is what we have to deal with when I simply go to a casino to play a poker tournament.
01:19:21.000But I'll tell you a story and why this comes up.
01:19:24.000Because, you know, we were just talking about the Jubilee show and these libs trying to, these progressives trying to debate, but they're not really trying to debate.
01:19:33.000So, the first table I sit at on day 1B of the tournament, there's a guy at the table who, for no reason, I guess, asks me about, he says something like, So, you're not a, you don't believe in climate change or something.
01:19:51.000And he said something like, I had to look you up.
01:19:54.000And I was like, I just interviewed a guy from NOAA who said he thought that man made climate change was real, but there's corrupt people pushing an agenda behind the scenes.
01:20:42.000He said, when I mentioned, I was like, oh no, I think, you know, humans are affecting climate as a lot of pollution.
01:20:47.000He's like, oh, well, what do you think about legendary hero Anthony Fauci?
01:20:52.000And then I laughed and I was like, I don't know, some people think that, I guess, you know, some don't.
01:20:58.000And he's like, well, he said something like, they would be wrong.
01:21:01.000And then I said, or I just think they're mad that Fauci in January knew that it likely came from a lab, but instead publicly stated that there was no evidence of that.
01:21:09.000And then a year later, despite having red flags that the vaccine may be causing miscarriages, Publicly stated that they weren't, and then several women had miscarriages.
01:21:16.000So there's reasons why people are upset with him.
01:21:18.000This is what you deal with in the wild, though.
01:21:21.000So ultimately, I'll put it like this I wanted to highlight this for two reasons, and then we'll kick it to a broader conversation on the issue.
01:21:31.000I'm going to make that clear right now.
01:21:34.000You, as a representative working for Poker News, responding to the official corporate page of Poker News saying we should beat him publicly.
01:21:45.000Now, my security takes that as a threat from all staff at pokernews.com.
01:23:11.000I mean, obviously, but you know, to go back to the Jubilee thing, there are people who don't care for what's true, they live in an emotional reality, and they want, they just want to hurt people, I guess.
01:23:41.000You know, there was this social psychology study that I was, I believe, heard a couple of months ago by, I've got it up here by Arctotherium about how much conservatives and liberals hate each other and how much conservatives and liberals think the other side hates each other.
01:23:55.000Obviously, you're not a conservative, Tim, but they think you are.
01:23:58.000And what the study found was that, uh, Liberals think conservatives hate them much more than they actually do.
01:24:05.000And conservatives underestimate the level of liberals hate them.
01:24:10.000Well, the other study was that, similarly, that when asked, conservatives could accurately predict the political opinions of liberals, but liberals could not predict the opinions of conservatives.
01:24:39.000This is a fact, it's a scientific fact that liberals have higher rates of mental illness.
01:24:44.000And so I think it's not that liberals are mentally ill, but that the mentally ill are attracted to the ideals of liberalism because, to be honest, I think this wasn't always the case with liberals in this country, but I believe that those who seek power, very Joker esque, they seek out the mentally ill to weaponize because they know they don't have the critical thinking capacity.
01:25:03.000To resist the manipulation techniques.
01:25:05.000And thus, they're perfect cannon fodder for a Joker type personality, which I think all of these liberal personalities really are.
01:25:12.000I mean, guys, have you ever seen Kyle Kalinske?
01:25:45.000One of the things that really just shocked me that he did is how he was on, he and both him and Crystal Ball were both on Joe Rogan's podcast.
01:25:55.000And Joe gave him a big up and was always very cordial and nice, obviously.
01:26:00.000And then they just got to the point where they have been just dogging Joe Rogan every chance they get, not just saying, look, this isn't right or debunking things that Rogan says, but just straight up insulting him and ad hominem attacks just because, again, Because he says things that they disagree with.
01:26:24.000And he, at the time, even now, Rogan's probably still one of the biggest podcasts if he's not the biggest, but they were essentially nobody.
01:26:32.000And he brings them on and treats them well.
01:26:35.000And they're just stabbing him in the back.
01:26:36.000And it's not, I said shocked, but it shouldn't be really all that shocking from the left.
01:26:40.000But it's just, it speaks to the moral character.
01:26:43.000And I won't even get into the morality of those two as a couple.
01:27:36.000And, you know, it is, this is something we've written a lot about out of the Foundation Freedom Online.
01:27:41.000It is actually quite possible to do age verification without compromising anonymity or privacy.
01:27:47.000But strangely, none of the laws that have been passed either in the UK or in US states have mandated those technical standards, which are actually quite simple to implement.
01:27:57.000And I think one of the reasons for that is because.
01:28:00.000A lot of the groups that have pushed for this in the interests of protecting children, that's sort of a pretext.
01:28:05.000They actually want to de anonymize people.
01:28:10.000And protecting children is a great sort of Trojan horse they can take to the public because it convinces the public.
01:28:16.000The Machillin argument is consistently used in so many different areas, whether it be something that pro 2A people hear all the time.
01:28:28.000Oh, well, you don't want to outlaw these.
01:28:32.000Certain types of guns that I'm afraid of because you're a bad person, and why don't you think of the children or whatever your opinion on Israel and Gaza?
01:28:40.000One of the things that people bring up is how many children have been killed in Gaza, allegedly, or whatever.
01:28:46.000And the argument of, oh, my children, I've got a very, very thick skin now.
01:28:51.000When people are saying, oh, well, the children, the children have to be protected from this, and the children, it's like, I really think that that's just a pretext for you to get what you wanted because you believe that it's going to, the emotional argument of it, it's going to, people are just going to say, oh, well, yeah, we got to be careful with that.
01:29:07.000So, yeah, and you again, you can do age ID without compromising anonymity.
01:29:12.000You just pass a law saying you can go to a post office or a library, show them your ID, and they give you a token that proves you're over 18 without any connection to your real face name or anything like that.
01:29:24.000None of the laws have requested, you know, demanded and implemented anything like that yet.
01:29:28.000Yeah, because that was always the argument they made.
01:29:30.000They're like, well, you have to show your ID to get a beer.
01:29:32.000And it's like, well, they're not like logging my ID into an online registry that's shared with the government.
01:29:38.000They're just glancing at it, maybe scanning it, and then moving on.
01:29:49.000I mean, if you want to do deeper search and just Google zero knowledge proof, and there are all sorts of other ways you can separate the verification stage from what you actually give to a website.
01:29:59.000So it's not revealing any personal identity.
01:30:01.000It's actually not a complicated technical problem, but for whatever reason, none of the bills that have demanded age verification have mandated these standards, which is strange considering.
01:30:11.000There are independent laws that are designed to protect privacy.
01:30:14.000I think it's partly a problem of legislatures not understanding the technical nuances of the issue.
01:30:19.000And I think the other issue is all of these groups that are pushed for the bills.
01:30:24.000We did one on Britain recently at FFO, are just super opposed to anonymous speech in general.
01:30:36.000I mean, the anonymous kind of poster was actually so instrumental in a lot of.
01:30:44.000You know, really impactful things that have happened.
01:30:47.000I mean, Donald Trump wouldn't have been elected if it wasn't for like people that were anonymous posters making memes.
01:30:52.000Um, we were just earlier today talking about earlier tonight talking about 4chan and how they were they've been very influential with whether they you know whether you call them the gay ops or whatever like the things that 4chan has done and brought to light.
01:31:07.000A lot of that stuff wouldn't have been possible if if you didn't have a forum where their people were anonymous.
01:31:13.000Let's uh let's jump to this story, Dean Withers.
01:31:17.000He is actually one of these young guys.
01:31:19.000I think he's appeared on Jubilee or like quite a bit, right?
01:31:25.000And it's crazy because a bunch of these young liberal guys keep getting accused of rape, sexual assault, and harassment.
01:31:30.000I got to be honest, guys, I know that there's a lot of people who lie, but I got to say to these liberals, you know, if it walks like a duck, it whacks like a duck.
01:33:35.000He faces unsubstantiated, we call that a subjective qualifying adjective.
01:33:40.000He faces sexual assault allegations from several men.
01:33:44.000While the young political commentators publicly denied the claims and called the accusations fake, Newsweek says Dean Withers reveals death threats amid false rape allegations.
01:33:54.000No, Liberals do not get to live in the world where the victims are the accusers always and the accused get due process.
01:34:36.000You see, the issue isn't about a universal principle of free speech.
01:34:39.000It's that I say to everybody who I believe, Want something better, I will let you express your values and ideas so that we can have something better because I could be wrong.
01:35:10.000In order for a threat to be a legitimate and illegal action, You need to create an imminent threat by instructing somebody or explicitly stating, we are going to do this.
01:35:22.000Such as if you said, we should beat him publicly, you are creating a threat, right?
01:35:27.000However, Tweedledee Tweedledum would be one person standing up and saying, all Nazis should be beaten on site.
01:35:34.000That's an opinion that creates no imminent threat.
01:35:37.000Tweedledum then points at you and says, Nazi, neither of them have made a statement that is an imminent threat, but together, as independent statements, they have instructed people to start beating you.
01:35:48.000So I said, okay, no more free speech for the people who are using this to destroy free speech itself.
01:36:38.000I mean, I'm not familiar with the issue here that he's talking about, but look, he's definitely not the dude that's going to go and say, oh, well, you know, we should let all the facts come out and we should wait until.
01:36:53.000You know, we get more information, blah, blah, blah, particularly if it's a political opponent or someone that's politically disaligned with him.
01:37:01.000So, yeah, like, I mean, let them reap what they sow.
01:37:36.000And like, if these allegations have any merit, he's going to have a lot of issues.
01:37:45.000This happens all the time in like weird, like online left circles.
01:37:49.000Like, this has been happening for a long time with these like Minecraft streamers and this sort of thing where they're always like taking turns getting canceled.
01:37:57.000And then they'll like take turns dogpiling on each other, then make a comeback two years later, get canceled again.
01:38:05.000Sort of sphere of leftist streamers, there's like an outgrowth of that culture, and it's all just like broadly, like sexually deviant people trying to justify their deviancy, taking turns canceling each other for whenever they like there's some sort of invisible line of deviancy you can't cross, and then none of them know where that is.
01:38:22.000So they're all just like taking turns, like sweeping the mines and then getting canceled.
01:38:25.000And it's just it's been going on for years now.
01:38:28.000You almost feel bad for them, but like they're the ones participating in it, so it's like, dude, so be it.
01:38:32.000Yeah, I mean, like the the idea, yeah, the idea that anyone is gonna be above.
01:38:40.000Being accused of these kind of accusations and thinking, oh, well, you know, I'm the good guy and I've been on the right side of everything.
01:38:48.000So, you know, this will never happen to me.
01:38:50.000It's like, man, these kind of things happen to people all the time.
01:38:54.000And if you're not, I mean, in modern society, like if you're accused of this kind of stuff, you're kind of doomed, anyways.
01:39:05.000You know, there's not a lot of grace given to people that are accused of these kind of things because, you know, they're terrible crimes.
01:39:13.000If it turns out to be true, I don't know.
01:39:16.000Like I said, I don't know much about his particular story.
01:39:31.000You know, that was one of the things that Me Too kind of taught everybody.
01:39:34.000It's like when the mob says, I think the only people that are the only person that I can think of that kind of managed to survive it is Kavanaugh.
01:39:43.000And that was because it was so ridiculous.
01:39:46.000Well, and that was just because, I mean, in all fairness, guys like, you know, the late Lindsey Graham were actually going to the mat for him.
01:39:53.000And it's like he had the benefit of it didn't matter if like he won the court of public opinion.
01:39:59.000He just had an institutional threshold to get across.
01:40:18.000All the ones we needed saw through it.
01:40:20.000And to your point, I mean, they'd seen that before with Clarence Thomas, which was even more ridiculous.
01:40:24.000And to be honest with you, you mentioned the public, what the public thinks.
01:40:28.000There's still people that are, obviously, they're largely on the left, but still swear up and down that Christine Blasey Ford was telling the truth.
01:40:35.000And how can we have Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court considering what he did?
01:40:41.000There's people that actually still make accusations and comments about Clarence Thomas.
01:40:45.000And that's 35 years ago or whatever when he was going through his stuff.
01:41:37.000I'm trying to search for these alleged screenshots.
01:41:40.000I think they're saying like a TikTok profile named Emily used AI generated stolen images to post fabricated direct messages claiming misconduct.
01:41:50.000There's a couple of male victims, one female victim.
01:42:08.000A Trump supporter stole the identity of an innocent 13 year old girl to falsely accuse me of rape with supporting evidence of poorly botched fake DMs in an attempt to illegitimately de platform me.
01:42:21.000In response, the 13 year old whose identity was stolen made a video calling out the false accuser and anybody peddling these lies using her photos, stating that she's been getting harassed and bombarded with messages.
01:42:37.000As we speak, not all, but millions of Republicans across the internet have continued to knowingly peddle this false allegation and could what only be described as an attempt to get me killed or to get me to myself, leading to the police calling me, informing me of a bomb threat, and the continued visceral harassment of the innocent little guy.
01:42:58.000He's saying Trump supporters did this to him?
01:43:33.000First and foremost, this TikTok account under the name of Emily accused me of rape.
01:43:38.000They posted this fake DM to prove their allegation.
01:43:41.000The account posted two screenshots of the same faked DMs, for the purpose being that in the second screenshot, they're scrolled further down the page to also include my response.
01:43:52.000We know that they're fake because in the first screenshot above their message, there is an included date and time.
01:43:58.000In the second screenshot above that same message, there is not an included date and time.
01:44:03.000The only so why does that mean it's fake?
01:44:43.000So tonight, I was looking through my TikTok comments and I find some comments saying that someone's impersonating me and using my photos to accuse someone of sexual assault.
01:44:52.000This was the picture someone put in my TikTok comments and this was the picture I posted on Instagram.
01:44:57.000Same with here, this was posted in July and now I find this four days ago on TikTok.
01:45:01.000On this photo, you can see there's a little scribble at the top of the screen.
01:45:05.000This is because as you can see, shenanigans.
01:45:25.000Any guy who was trying to smear Dean Withers, I don't know who they would because what MAGA guy who's in his 40s would do this, but you can go on any AI and make an image of a girl doing a selfie that looks good enough.
01:45:38.000And then what you do is you take a picture of it with your phone on the screen so it degrades it a little bit, or you screenshot it and run it through.
01:45:45.000Like you just put it up online, you degrade it, you drop the resolution, whatever.
01:47:17.000I still don't quite follow where she comes into the whole.
01:47:21.000The argument is that someone ripped her photos, made a fake profile, and said, This is me, and Dean Withers did it right here.
01:47:29.000And if she was posting it on her story, then that would mean that the person that did it follows her.
01:47:33.000So then she would be able to probably deduct who it was quite quickly.
01:47:37.000Another real or, you know, another potential explanation is she indeed accused them, felt bad about it or got some heat and then walked back.
01:47:44.000And her explanation was, oh, I got to be honest, all my photos.
01:48:23.000This account has 1,000 followers, 2,300 likes, and it has several videos with near 100,000 views.
01:48:31.000So this is a weird story that I'm just saying this doesn't add up.
01:48:36.000If somebody was going to make a fake profile, To steal some girl's videos and then accuse him of rape, wouldn't it be like a new profile?
01:48:44.000Is he saying that someone set the long game, ripped this girl's identity, made an account, used it for a long time, got a bunch of views, then when the time was right, falsely accused him?
01:48:55.000She would be able to figure it out right away because if it's from her story and it was screenshotted on Instagram, it tells you who screenshotted your story.
01:49:19.000But again, not just that, but it tells you who screenshots.
01:49:22.000Is Dean Withers the victim of this conspiracy where someone created a TikTok account a year ago, built up a small number of followers and likes, got a couple videos over 100,000, and then once the profile looked real, like this does not make sense?
01:49:35.000Or our previous theory, which was like, again, two possibilities one, she felt bad or got some heat, walked it back, or he reached out to her privately and said, Okay, go away.
01:50:46.000There's a lot of services for downloading videos.
01:50:49.000You know, so I just think it's very weird that somebody would falsely accuse random, you know, Middling commentator Dean Withers, you know what I mean?
01:51:01.000Yeah, I mean, and why he's saying it's a Trump supporter, like you can't prove that.
01:51:06.000Like, yeah, I mean, that's they'll know who did it.
01:51:08.000That's just him trying to capitalize on it, right?
01:51:10.000Like, he's assuming that it's Trump supporter or he's saying it's Trump supporter, so that way he can, you know, mobilize the people that enjoy his content and he can actually make this into something that, yes, yeah, that benefits him.
01:51:26.000The aesthetics of that TikTok account.
01:51:28.000I don't think a single Republican on planet Earth could possibly replicate.
01:51:59.000We're going to go to your rumble rants and super chat.
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01:52:07.000Demo says When you introduced yourself in Jubilee video, I seriously thought you were going to say, I'm Tim Pool and I'm surrounded by 20 retards.
01:52:16.000Cheeseburger says, Green shirt David Jufro making all those faces for Jubilee clip farming is a homosexual, mentally challenged bundle of sticks.
01:54:06.000Actually, I'll say this Crowder's views aren't down either.
01:54:10.000So our IRL views are lower than where they were a year ago.
01:54:14.000But for the cycle, they're fairly normal.
01:54:16.000I think we peaked today in concurrent viewership around, I think we're going to end up with somewhere like 27, 28,000, which for off cycle politics is exactly where we were four years ago.
01:55:15.000The issue is that when the trans man spins the chair around and straddles it, it's an affectation.
01:55:21.000The issue that I have with trans men, particularly, because I can't speak for trans women because I'm not a woman.
01:55:27.000I can't speak for women why they're offended by trans women, but trans men perform caricatures of what it means to be a man.
01:55:34.000I understand that women say the same thing about trans women.
01:55:37.000Like when Dylan Mulvaney was wearing high boots, like lifts, running through the forest, going, and then going, oh my God, and acting like women are retarded.
01:55:47.000Women get offended by that being like, you're wearing my gender like a costume.
01:56:38.000John Waters says Mike Holtz always regurgitates fake leftist talking points in snake earmarks, snark earmarks, while co hosting the Poker News podcast.
01:56:48.000He's an unprofessional jerk who is not even that good at poker.
01:56:52.000Well, look, I brought it up because I'm going to say this you can't do it.
01:56:57.000I had a conversation with some of the people who are working these events.
01:57:01.000And of course, people got to understand.
01:57:05.000Poker News, let's just forget poker, right?
01:57:08.000Because I know a lot of people are like, I don't get it.
01:57:11.000They cover, let's say it's podcasting, they cover these events.
01:57:15.000And one of their staff or contracts, whoever, I don't know what his capacity is, he's a host of their show, responds to their post saying, We should beat this person.
01:57:25.000Okay, that's a straight up criminal threat as far as I'm concerned.
01:57:29.000Now, it's interesting because he didn't say, Tim Pool, I'm going to beat the crap out of you, but he literally created an imminent threat saying to other staff, We should commit this crime.
01:57:38.000This company is at every casino for every major poker event.
01:57:46.000My security team is going to be like, we're going to go ahead and make an assumption that he was telling other staffers to physically beat you.
01:57:52.000This time, this one time, we're going to assume it's not correct.
01:57:55.000Despite all the threats you've gotten, despite the security issues, despite Charlie Kirk's assassination, this one time, nope, they don't.
01:58:02.000So, what's going to happen now is I got to pay my security overtime to, when I go to these events, because there's more coming up and I plan a lot of them, make contact and be like, these people can't be here because they have threatened physical violence.
02:00:07.000Like, when I tell people poker's not gambling, it's literally not, okay?
02:00:13.000And I'll just ask, like, what's your limping range on the small blind?
02:00:22.000And people who aren't going to know this math, you're not playing this game.
02:00:25.000These people, poker exists as a game because stupid people think they're good at poker.
02:00:28.000And I say that with all due respect because a lot of people are just having fun.
02:00:31.000But yo, I'm going to put it like this.
02:00:33.000If you can't sit down at a low stakes table on a Friday night when you got a bunch of people showing up from a show who are drunk or just having fun and don't care, and you buy in for $400, if you can't get a 25% increase in your chips in an hour, you are bad at poker and you need to study.
02:00:51.000So I'm just flabbergasted by these people who are like, that's not possible.
02:02:01.000I'm not here to debate you on the merits of Trump's foreign policy.
02:02:07.000What they're trying to do when this guy posts that I should be physically beaten, he's trying to make sure that the preeminent news organization for this sport.
02:02:17.000Doesn't cover what I'm doing, and they have no choice.
02:02:20.000I show up to this event, I'm the biggest personality there.
02:02:23.000It's not a brag, it's just I've got 12 million followers, and I'm at a poker event.
02:03:13.000Let's just, because I'm ranting and talking about something most people don't care about, we'll just grab one more chat from you guys, we'll grab a super chat.
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02:10:24.000Just yesterday, I'm in D.C., and a kid on a mountain bike.
02:10:29.000Blows the light, jumps, he goes, he's in the lane for oncoming traffic on the wrong side because there's a red light, and then he just cuts through the center lane.
02:10:38.000Cars slow down and are honking, and he just keeps going.
02:10:40.000These motherfuckers do this shit all the time.
02:12:06.000The way people on site bicycles behave, they act like, well, you're not going to hit me because I'm on a bike.
02:12:15.000And it's like, man, look, the reason I'm not particularly a big fan of motorcycles, not that I have anything against people that are on motorcycles or whatever, but look, they're just not safe, right?
02:12:26.000Especially nowadays, everybody's driving around with their face in their phone constantly.
02:13:10.000You know, everyone's just going to have their face in their phone or their iPad or whatever, and the car is going to do all the driving for you.
02:13:17.000But I mean, if you see nowadays, like Teslas are really, really, really good when it comes to self driving.
02:13:26.000Like I get in the car and I just let the car do it.
02:13:28.000I mean, there's certain times where you have to, like if you're pulling out, like pulling out here, I have to.
02:13:34.000But like otherwise, or like going through, I don't have one of the easy pass things.
02:13:41.000So if I have a toll, I have to stop at that.
02:13:43.000But otherwise, I don't drive very much anymore.
02:13:46.000And so maybe that'll be the thing that fixes this.
02:13:49.000But look, you can't, if you're on a bike, you can't just sit there and be like, whatever, man, I'm going to do whatever I want because this kind of stuff's going to happen.
02:13:57.000People are going to end up getting themselves smushed.
02:14:24.000It's, I mean, like, you know, you can't just get on your phone and fiddle around with your own self driving cars.
02:14:30.000And I think that, honestly, I think the majority of the reason for that is because of liability.
02:14:35.000Like Tesla can't, they haven't got the approval from the government to say, yes, you can just let the car drive all the time.
02:14:42.000But for the most part, it's not really necessary to have a person.
02:14:49.000Or to be controlling the car anymore, at least with most of Tesla's.
02:14:54.000Although there is a bigger issue there.
02:14:55.000I mean, the centralized control of technology.
02:14:58.000This is what that American conservative article I mentioned on Anthropic gets into this.
02:15:02.000I mean, Anthropic is really, really against.
02:15:07.000They're sort of the lone outlier in the industry on controlling open weight models, which is sort of similar to open source in that people can modify them and run them on their own devices.
02:15:18.000And Anthropic wants to end this, they're saying, because of the Threat from China, you know, using this to advance their own AI models or whatever.
02:15:25.000But I think a future in which, like, ordinary people can't, you know, adjust their own control, their own technology, whether that's a car or an AI model, that's, that's, that's, I can see how people get into conspiracy theories about that.
02:15:44.000I think that this is one case where, you know, the market will actually solve that, you know, because you've got options, whether it be like I have a, um, An open claw agent that I use.
02:16:02.000But, like, when I'm doing basic searches, it uses Grok GROQ, the free one.
02:16:08.000And it can bounce between AI agents inside or AI system services inside it.
02:16:15.000And I like the fact that I don't have to stay on one AI service to use it all the time because Anthropic, like, tokens are expensive when you're using, even using, like, I use Sonnet most of the time, and they're expensive.
02:16:28.000You know, like, you can get a significant bill or go through a lot of tokens real fast.
02:16:37.000But I think the fact that you're going to have the option of using ChatGPT or Grok, Musk's AI, or you can use Gemini or you can use Anthropic, or you can use Kimmy K, or you can use, there's a lot of options out there.
02:16:53.000And I think that'll solve the problems that Anthropic's doing.
02:16:56.000I think Anthropic wants regulation because they want to protect themselves more than anything else.
02:17:02.000Well, they want that top down control, right?
02:17:04.000And that's how, like you said, the present environment when there are so many to choose from is exactly what you want.
02:17:10.000But if you convince regulators, as Anthropic is trying to do, that there needs to be these strict safety guardrails from the top down and you can't have open anything, then suddenly the whole system becomes much more tightly controlled by a group of corporate executives working hand in glove with the regulators, which is how monopolies always work.
02:17:44.000And it's like, that's the dumbest thing you could possibly imagine because look how long it takes the FAA to do anything, right?
02:17:50.000Like, I guess if you want to get a new engine approved, it takes like five years.
02:17:55.000And arguably, an AI that's a frontier model AI could do far more damage than one bad engine or a bad, you know, a bad engine design.
02:18:08.000You know, like if you put in, if you manage to get a bad engine into a plane or a couple, you know, a bunch of planes, like, It's going to take two crashes and they're going to be like, get that engine out.
02:18:21.000And if it gets some kind of malicious idea or some kind of, you know, idea that someone didn't think of the proper way to prompt it, look, they're already jumping out of the sandboxes and getting to the open internet without, you know, when they're supposed to be completely isolated.
02:18:40.000So I think having an FAA is a like a FAA type.
02:18:48.000Yeah, there's a, there's a, like, you, and we already see examples where, you know, the obsession with, with safety actually ironically gets in the way of the safety research.
02:18:56.000Safety researchers had to, I think it was a couple of months ago, they had to switch to open models because there were too many guardrails on, on Claude and they couldn't use it, they couldn't use it to actually research these safety things.
02:19:11.000So I, I'm, I'm a, I'm a big fan of AI and I think that it's good, that's got a lot of potential, but the, I don't think that Anthropic is actually arguing from a.
02:19:26.000I don't think they're actually honest about the arguments they're making.
02:19:28.000I think that Dario's like looking to get some kind of monopolistic control.
02:19:35.000And look, the Biden administration was going to do that anyways.
02:19:38.000Like there were conversations being had when the Biden administration was in.
02:19:42.000They were like, look, don't even bother trying to.
02:19:45.000They were telling people that were looking for some kind of guidance from the administration.
02:19:49.000The administration's just like, look, don't even bother trying.
02:19:51.000There's going to be like three companies that are going to do it.
02:20:33.000Like, the like Instagram had to respond.
02:20:35.000And yes, there is, you know, there are offensive things that you're going to see on all these platforms, considerably more offensive things that you're going to see on these platforms now.
02:20:43.000But all of them are more free because having zero is totally different from having one.
02:20:49.000Having one means everyone else has to respond to that one.
02:20:53.000You know, and it was the same issue there with Alex Jones is attacking me like crazy.
02:21:16.000He, like, bro, I'm telling you guys, something weird fucking happened with Tucker Carlson, with Candace, with Alex Jones, with Megan Kelly.
02:21:25.000I'm sorry, I just don't believe it's real.
02:21:26.000Like, I do not see a reality where Alex Jones, anti establishment champion, Who we have the Alex Jones is right jar.
02:22:56.000Bro, I made one comment being like, if you sell, if you have an ice cream shop for 20 years and everyone loves your ice cream, then one day you switch all the dairy for vegan.
02:23:55.000It's like in Space Jam when the Monstars took all the players' talent, but instead it's taking their rhetorical ability and now they're just spurging out all the time.
02:24:06.000I would not be surprised if the people attempting to destroy Alex, who we've defended through the whole case, who I had a meeting with him in Austin, like a meeting, but we're hanging out in Austin.
02:24:15.000He was telling me all this stuff that was going on and we defended him every step of the way.
02:24:19.000I've defended him as it was a summary judgment.
02:24:21.000He never had an opportunity to even argue the Sandy Hook defamation.
02:24:26.000And then the only court case we got was a hearing on damages.
02:24:32.000We have defended him every single step.
02:24:34.000So, you watching, you tell me what would make Alex Jones betray some of his friends?
02:24:43.000I don't want to say like we're best friends or anything, but betray his friends on a dime instantly.
02:24:51.000What would make him betray someone who defended him publicly for 10 years when I had no reason to defend him publicly?
02:25:01.000Well, and all you said was, here's potentially why your viewership's down.
02:25:04.000And his response is, you're a Mossad asset or something.
02:25:08.000But it's one thing for him to respond with, Tim, this is a literal glitch.
02:25:55.000There are people in D.C. who work in the administration, in and around the State Department, who literally told me this is what's going to happen.
02:26:02.000They're probably mad that I'm saying it.
02:26:05.000I can only imagine Tucker, Candace, Megan, and Alex are the intentional fringe.
02:26:12.000This is what I've said for a long time.
02:26:16.000Tucker is pulling Nick Fuentes' audience.
02:26:18.000It is all targeted, it is all intentional.
02:26:21.000The anti Israel crowd, they are there.
02:26:24.000It is, I do not believe it is an accident that Candace, Tucker, Megan, and Alex Jones have all just inverted on everything they claim to believe.
02:27:14.000The fringes are where they will guide all the people to the edge and then hack them off and they'll fall into the ocean, leaving just the center, all that's left.
02:28:34.000When I defend him, cite him on the show over and over again, it is good for his brand.
02:28:41.000So why take action against someone with a large platform, 12 million followers, defending you unless there was a benefit you are getting and inverse?
02:28:49.000So who benefits from Alex Jones betraying me?
02:29:32.000I'm saying that I think that he's kind of wrapped up in the whole, like, oh, you know, because I think that it's the whole Candace, and there's so many people that are like anti Israel, and it's such a hot topic right now.
02:29:47.000I think that he's just kind of playing into what other people are saying.
02:29:58.000I talk about demons quite a bit because there are things that humans do.
02:30:02.000That I would describe as predictable to human nature.
02:30:06.000So, a thing predictable to human nature is, you know, someone who's hungry is going to go to the store and they're going to buy food.
02:30:13.000A thing that is not predictable to human nature is that a woman wraps an exercise band around the three of their necks, slits her wrists and throat, and then jumps out a window.
02:30:21.000That is not, that does not make sense.
02:31:22.000What Alex Jones is doing right now on the surface seems to defy the human drive.
02:31:27.000That is, a man who's been ruthlessly attacked and his business destroyed is friends with a prominent podcast with a large audience who's defended him the entire way.
02:31:36.000For what human benefit would Alex Jones decide, I'm going to burn that bridge on a dime without even a text message?
02:32:26.000Unless, unless someone's telling him what to do and he's being offered either something substantially worse or better.
02:32:33.000That is, if someone came to you and said, I will destroy everything you know and love unless you do as we tell you, people will say, Okay, please don't hurt me.
02:32:42.000If they say, I will make your dreams come true, they'll say, I will do whatever you say.
02:32:48.000It's even written on the back of the jar.
02:32:50.000Yeah, I guess this was more official, this one on the front.
02:32:54.000So, my response to Alex is that he had an alcoholic stroke on the show, an alcohol induced stroke because he showed up drowning in a bottle of Tito's three times he's been on the show.
02:33:18.000I've never mentioned how when he came to the show in Texas, at least it was reported to me by security that he and his wife were plastered and.
02:36:52.000Yeah, but when it comes to what's going on now, right, they have yet to issue guidance.
02:37:00.000And so there are people out there that are doing transfers of suppressors with just 4473s.
02:37:09.000But I would recommend, because of the fact that, you know, the turnaround time on the stamps is super short now and there is no fee.
02:37:21.000Until the NFA, I'm sorry, until the ATF actually issues guidance on this or the DOJ makes a statement on it, right?
02:37:31.000If the AG makes a statement or if the ATF comes out and issues guidance to FFLs, until that happens, you're basically one of the YouTube gun lawyers that I watch, he describes it as you're basically playing Red Rover with a felony, right?
02:38:02.000So, don't I would strongly recommend because of the fact that you know, if you get you go to silencer shop, you put your stuff into silencer shop, it doesn't take but a couple days to get stuff.
02:38:15.000I they were turning around some NFA stuff in 24 hours.
02:38:18.000I don't know if it's still that fast, but it is yeah, it's still pretty quick.
02:38:26.000It's especially, again, especially if you're dealing with silencer shop, it's worth the effort to fill out the paperwork and wait for them to give you the approval just because until the ATF actually issues guidance.
02:38:36.000It could be a situation where whoever's running the NFA stuff at the ATF is just like, well, we haven't been told that we have to issue guidance, so we're not going to.
02:38:47.000And then it becomes an issue of are they going to enforce it, right?
02:38:53.000So they can still wrap you up and give you a nightmare.
02:38:57.000And then when you actually go to court, You know, it's like, well, look, this was passed.
02:39:01.000So, no, there's no, you're not going to, you're not, you're not guilty of violating the law, but they can still give you a hassle.
02:39:08.000The current ATF director is, as hilarious as this sounds, is actually pretty good.
02:39:16.000So, I'm expecting some kind of, this is just me personally, I'm expecting some kind of direction, some kind of guidance in the next week or so.
02:39:36.000There's a lot of questions, particularly surrounding SBRs, SBSs, and any other weapons and stuff like that, because the transporting is covered under the 1968 Gun Control Act.
02:41:52.000Everyone is all, oh, this and brr, Now, here we are a year later, and a court has decided, no, actually, the whole registration scheme is unconstitutional.
02:42:05.000Because if Congress doesn't tax, then they don't have the power to regulate, because the whole regulation scheme was based on the tax, not on infringing on the two.
02:42:15.000It had nothing to do with the Second Amendment.
02:42:22.000If they appeal, you don't want to go ahead and say, oh, we're going to get Kinetic and blah, You want to let it go through the fucking court.
02:42:29.000No, I'm worried about the ATF going at Kinetic because they have in the past.
02:42:33.000I mean, yes, they have in the past, but Ruby Ridge.
02:42:48.000Like, you look at the Freedom Week in California when Benita, I think his name's Benita, said, no, you can't fucking prevent people from owning 30 round magazines.
02:43:01.000And every goddamn fucking retailer in the country was just stuffing magazines into California.
02:43:09.000And people that got them are still, they still own them.
02:43:13.000There's not an issue where California is sitting there killing people because they have 30 round magazines.
02:43:20.000Because, They got them during the Freedom Week.
02:43:22.000And what do you, how are they going to prove it?
02:43:28.000I don't think the government's going to start, I don't think it's going to be a situation where they're going to start fucking offing people.
02:43:34.000I don't think they're going to start picking people up either.
02:43:36.000I think that this is going to be a situation where you're going to have to wait for the courts.
02:43:42.000And the courts are, they're not going to say, oh, no, actually, Congress does have the power.
02:43:47.000Like, there's already one court that's found this way.
02:43:50.000Trump's DOJ said, we're not going to stay this.
02:43:54.000Whether people like Donald Trump or not, this is one of the most pro two way administrations I've ever seen, probably the most pro two way in my life.
02:44:06.000It's frustrating to not have the guidance.
02:44:08.000But the reason we don't have the guidance, very likely, because I'm not in the ATF, I don't know, but it's very likely that the reason we don't have the guidance is because they don't know what to do yet either, because there's so many moving parts with it.
02:44:20.000So I get your frustration, but I mean, like I said, look at what happened last year.
02:44:25.000And now with the big, beautiful bill, everyone was all doomer about the parliamentarian, and I was too.
02:44:31.000I was like, fire the fucking parliamentarian, do it.
02:44:33.000But like, at the same time, a year later, there are.
02:44:38.000Probably a million more silencers in circulation, moving them closer to in common use.
02:44:46.000Should they get to the Supreme Court or should this get to the Supreme Court?
02:44:51.000This particular condition or situation only has more and more people buying suppressors.
02:44:59.000I got fucking two suppressors coming in the next two weeks.
02:45:03.000One's being sent from Silencer Co., and I got a SOCOM Mini sitting in a gun store up in New Hampshire that's just waiting for me to get up there.
02:46:22.000I mean, he's talking at the GOA fucking one of their conventions like next week.
02:46:31.000So, Mark Smith from the Four Boxes Diner is going to be there.
02:46:35.000These guys are as pro two way as I've ever seen any regulatory body ever.
02:46:42.000So, I mean, I get, like I said, I get your frustration, but everything has been moving in our direction so fast.
02:46:50.000And so strongly, like the writings on the wall for AR 15s and long rifle bands, that shit's going to go away.
02:46:59.000I'd be willing to bet my fucking shoes on it.
02:47:02.000You know, Kavanaugh himself said, we got to, you know, take one of these cases.
02:47:07.000They didn't say that we got to take one of these cases because they're like, we got to fucking make sure that these fuckers can't have them.
02:47:13.000It's going to come down probably, it's probably going to come down six to three, to be honest with you.
02:47:18.000But still, like, look, I get what you're saying, but they're, I keep banging on the fucking table.
02:49:08.000You obviously try to throw a bone to him near the end.
02:49:10.000You're trying to cross all the T's, dot all the I's.
02:49:14.000But ultimately, the core point is still very much intact.
02:49:18.000I mean, I don't even know if you mentioned this, but this is someone who literally goes out of his way to really overtly call Trump a rapist, especially in regards to the E.G. Carroll thing.
02:49:27.000So everything you said, I don't care how this ultimately arose, whether it be moderately legitimate.
02:49:36.000By that, I mean whether this is someone who has a genuine grievance or whether someone who is completely fabricating it.
02:49:42.000The core point still stands, and I know that you've seen that.
02:49:46.000I guess I'll let you respond to that real quick.
02:50:15.000And then, and then, and then with the Alex Jones again, to totally, totally sound analysis.
02:50:19.000And this is something a lot of people don't really get.
02:50:22.000And I can see, like, Phil, you're trying to kind of throw Alex's point as well.
02:50:27.000Just trying to wonder, like, hey, maybe Alex, you know, he's in this mindset of trying to just question almost to the point that almost to ad nauseum.
02:51:05.000I mean, this is someone who is really just broken down.
02:51:09.000He goes on your show, he's ship based.
02:51:12.000Like that already is a complete violation of his own character.
02:51:15.000And to be honest, if I'm going to throw some criticism your way, I think subconsciously he sees you as a friend.
02:51:21.000But, you know, it's like when we don't rein in our friends, when they're acting inappropriately, we subconsciously get a sense that they don't respect us.
02:51:28.000You know, there's this story in the Bible.
02:51:29.000I think there was Abraham, like maybe you recall, but it might have been Abraham, one of these prominent things in the Bible.
02:52:02.000I don't have all the precise details down in the pack right now.
02:52:05.000But people do sense that, because again, even though obviously we're all responsible for ourselves as adults, right?
02:52:14.000the sort of moral disregard when we almost, and in many ways, when we, when we try to put on these great displays of inebriation or any kind of relaxing in morals, in many respects, it's us subconsciously, like non-overtly trying to scheme out to us, those around us, please help me.
02:52:48.000My main question, actually, again, and the only reason I didn't get to it is because I'm just going to be acting up to all the juiciness of the show.
02:52:54.000But I actually want to get back to about Jesus Christ and the resurrection account.
02:52:58.000I mean, I actually super chatted you over last Friday about it.
02:53:01.000And you mentioned, as you mentioned, just recently the video came out.
02:53:05.000You were talking about the Andrew Wilson matter.
02:53:08.000And you said to him, as you said to me, yeah, I just don't want to come across as fake.
02:53:23.000I mean, first of all, we all know that you don't even need to go to church to understand the gospel.
02:53:29.000I mean, in many ways, I'm sort of a lapse Christian myself.
02:53:32.000Not literally, but I mean, in a sense that I don't really, I haven't partook in the congregation in a good while.
02:53:40.000It's something that I should rectify, but I actually do espouse the divinity of Christ and subscribe to.
02:53:51.000Subscribe to you, as I said in the book of John, him being the way of truth and life.
02:53:57.000And obviously, I can break this down even further.
02:54:00.000Whether you go to church or not go to church, I mean, even if we talk about the practice of church, we know that this is not a place where you are, we need some pullbacks, some place where you're there to put on some show.
02:54:12.000I mean, this is a place for edification, right?
02:54:42.000I'm kind of wondering, sir, what precisely, when it comes to you feeling a phony, you're not, you're really not driving for resurrection account.
02:54:50.000Obviously, the things you said are more emotional things.
02:54:53.000I don't feel like it's genuine, et cetera, et cetera.
02:54:56.000But I'm just wondering, where's your hard arguments on the matter?
02:55:27.000I believe that, you know, based on the research and the reading that I've done, that whole story and all that account, historically true and accurate.
02:55:36.000But I don't believe the resurrection because that's the one thing that seems to stand out from all the politics.
02:55:41.000I think The Passion of the Christ was an amazing movie that I recommend because I think a lot of people who don't know Christianity don't know the political element of the Pharisees, of Jesus and the Romans.
02:55:56.000But following all of that to tell me that Jesus then rose, I'm just like, well, that to me is incongruous.
02:56:07.000Everything else is there, but that one piece doesn't fit for me.
02:56:10.000I'm not going to pretend that it does.
02:56:12.000I'm just going to tell you how I feel about it.
02:56:14.000And I don't know that it's possible to convince me that it did happen.
02:56:20.000But, sir, it's like, well, it's kind of like how Richard Dawkins is.
02:56:24.000He has this funny line where everyone's an atheist about like 99% of any of the more theistic claims.
02:56:29.000I just happen to take it one step further, which is really quite silly because, and I'm sure you're going to take it away.
02:56:33.000I mean, you could say that by any kind of belief, like any kind of sort of scientific proposal when it comes to hypothesizing, you're sort of, it's sort of silly.
02:57:07.000You can tell me that, you know, Quezon Kotel was real.
02:57:10.000And I'm going to say, guy, I just don't believe that there was a nine foot tall blue skinned lizard man in the ancient Mesopotamian area who was a.
02:57:17.000You know, or actually, Central America, who was teaching people how to farm.
02:57:22.000When you come to me and say that Jesus of Nazareth went around, you know, preaching, it was an affront to the Pharisees, blah, blah, blah, I'm like, oh, yeah, you could read all about it.
02:57:29.000I mean, that's historical record, and there's actually archaeological evidence that seems to be, you know, decently provable.
02:57:37.000But then to go one step further and say, and then he came back to life, I'm like, well, I don't know how you prove that.
02:58:21.000Are any of you guys familiar with the parable about the mustard seed, where Christ outlines how even the tiniest of faith, and you almost got faith like a child, and it blossoms into this great relationship?
02:58:33.000It's not a matter of having this great intuition.
02:58:36.000I was talking to someone in the audience in the group text, who said that some people are born of this gift of faith.
02:59:26.000And I wasn't expecting to fully satisfy the committee.
02:59:29.000But if I can make one request to you, Tim, and all of you guys, all of you folks, I think Tay, you have a question.
02:59:36.000But again, this is not me trying to simply evangelize, but I'm trying to encourage critical thinking and to correct this notion that you need to be in a certain place or that you have to be motivated by other people's expectations.
02:59:53.000Because if it's important to you, because if you, number one, believe in God as just a general concept, and you think that I assume you're going to be obviously.
03:00:00.000We don't want to be rude, but we do have some other calls we've got to get to.
03:00:30.000Tim, thank you for running the gauntlet and standing in front of the Jubilee surrounding crowd.
03:00:38.000So I have a question for you, but I wanted to follow up for the panel and then Phil as well.
03:00:43.000So speaking of the surrounded and Jubilee production team, Was there anything that was misrepresented that you noticed?
03:00:48.000Anyone that you talked to that didn't make the final product?
03:00:51.000Or if you were to kind of Monday morning quarterback this, anything that you wish that you said, did, brought up, any points that you made, or any kind of like.
03:01:04.000It's not, you know, it's kind of funny because the, like I understand, like a lot of people have asked me, the assumption is that I watched the show.
03:01:26.000The one thing I can say is from the clips, claim number three was actually claim number four.
03:01:31.000The order that I gave them was so if you've seen it, the order I gave them was the mainstream political left is more violent than the mainstream political right.
03:01:39.000Claim two Democrats have embraced authoritarianism.
03:01:42.000Three the Constitution effectively does not exist at this point.
03:01:45.000And four the United States is now tracking towards a civil war or is tracking towards civil war.
03:01:50.000So there's a reason why that was my final claim.
03:01:53.000Which were there, if you watched it, were all four claims in there?
03:03:13.000It just, there was clearly some things that I wasn't sure if they were trying to kind of manipulate what you were saying or the answers that were being given.
03:03:22.000But then also, like, if there was anything that you can kind of recall that any kind of weak points that you noticed or points that you feel like you served them handedly.
03:04:53.000And then I said, the issue is that if you go to a bunch of progressives and say, Tim Pool wants to argue that the country is on track for a civil war, you know, they're going to do stunts.
03:05:02.000And they're like, no, no, no, we don't do that.
03:05:04.000They said that basically we have a network of people we ask to come and debate, and we give them like a vague idea.
03:05:09.000So in this instance, it's going to be like, hey, it's somebody who wants to talk about political violence, who believes the left is more violent than the right.
03:05:16.000And, you know, this is the conversation.
03:06:36.000A meme that said, How come Zendaya got paid 10 times what Punisher got paid?
03:06:41.000And someone responded, Because you called him the Punisher.
03:06:45.000The point being, Zendaya is a name everybody knows.
03:06:48.000So, what Jubilee said they do is they're like, We will A B test.
03:06:52.000Meaning, when they post a video, it's going to have three different titles.
03:06:55.000One moderate versus 20 progressives, Tim Pool versus 20 progressives, and one moderate versus 20 progressives featuring Tim Pool.
03:07:04.000And the title that won and the thumbnail that won is Tim Pool versus 20 progressives, indicating my name recognition is so high it beat out moderate, you know, general politics.
03:07:45.000And then they're like, okay, what's going on?
03:07:47.000And they're just like, one guy's like, I kind of agree with him.
03:07:50.000And then the big dude was like, no, okay, I'll go and talk to him.
03:07:54.000And then I said, I actually enjoyed the conversation.
03:07:56.000So, as much as the conservatives like to rag on Jubilee, I found the interaction to be very amicable.
03:08:05.000Like, they were very accommodating to me and tried really hard not to misrepresent in my.
03:08:12.000So, I haven't seen the whole thing, but so far, based on the clips that I've seen, it seemed to be that they accurately represented me for whatever things I said that I think were right or whatever mistakes I may have made.
03:08:24.000And behind the scenes, too, they didn't play any stupid games of calling me far right or anything.
03:08:29.000The only one thing I rolled my eyes at was the guy with the beanie.
03:09:08.000It does kind of suck, you know, like when I was talking to Crowder, that it's not a real conversation.
03:09:15.000You know, it's very WWE, but I'm like, look, man, Jubilee is a massive platform that's a tremendous reach by trying to make this entertaining.
03:09:23.000And I think they did a decent, like a pretty good job.
03:10:24.000First is a picture of the Jubilee circle jerk with Dean Withers and Hassan as the ringers.
03:10:29.000Or second, a Lucky Charms box with Brian Shapiro's tedious face plastered all over our beloved leprechaun.
03:10:35.000Be advised, if you lose, you are condemned to an eternity of listening to Candace Owens' mispronounced words while Ian convinces you he can, in fact, control the weather.
03:10:44.000Who do you choose, or are you doomed to hell?
03:10:50.000I'm definitely not going to be able to retain my composure listening to Brian.
03:10:59.000I mean, maybe, I guess I would attempt the Jubilee style thing as opposed to trying to retain my composure with Brian because he's so incredibly frustrating.
03:11:14.000But I think at the end of the day, I'm doomed to hell.