Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump THREATENS To SUSPEND Habeas Corpus To BYPASS Judges Blocking Deportation | Timcast IRL

00:02:27.000 Today, President Donald Trump was asked about what's he going to do about these activist judges.

00:02:33.000 And he didn't actually say this.

00:02:35.000 I want to make sure this is very clear as we get off to a good start here.

00:02:38.000 He didn't actually say he wants to suspend habeas corpus, but he kind of did.

00:02:42.000 He said, we may have to do something that only three other presidents have ever done, and I hope it doesn't go that way.

00:02:49.000 And considering the conversation that's been occurring...

00:02:52.000 On podcasts with, say, Steve Bannon and also D.C. Drano, a.k.a.

00:02:56.000 Rogan O 'Hanley's question to the press secretary about suspension of habeas corpus.

00:02:59.000 And then Charlie Kirk tweeting out that the president is considering suspending habeas corpus.

00:03:05.000 It seems like that may be, at the very least, a big ask that Trump is trying to make.

00:03:10.000 Essentially saying to these judges, if I have to, I will use Article 2, Section 9 of the Constitution and suspend habeas corpus for illegal immigrants and deport them. 0.99

00:03:21.000 Which would be a massive move if he did.

00:03:24.000 But we've got to break this down because I want to stress that Trump didn't explicitly say the words habeas corpus.

00:03:29.000 I don't know what else he could be insinuating.

00:03:32.000 The other big news, of course, is that the U.S. and Ukraine have signed this minerals deal.

00:03:36.000 Now, this may signal a coming end to the war.

00:03:40.000 Why?

00:03:41.000 Because we want those minerals.

00:03:42.000 And we ain't going to get them so long as Russia is shooting missiles and shooting guns. 0.86

00:03:47.000 However, some are concerned that...

00:03:49.000 This basically means the U.S. is going to stay entrenched in this war, now with an active financial interest tied to winning it.

00:03:55.000 Hopefully that won't be the case.

00:03:56.000 Putin did offer up a ceasefire.

00:04:00.000 We'll see if that actually plays out.

00:04:01.000 And a couple other stories.

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00:06:09.000 Myron Gaines, one half of the Fresh Fit Podcast.

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00:06:39.000 Tim, I want to shout out your daily show.

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00:07:48.000 Hello, everybody.

00:07:50.000 My name is Phil Abonte.

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00:07:52.000 I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:07:54.000 Let's get into it.

00:07:55.000 Here's a story from the Post Millennial.

00:07:57.000 They say Trump considers suspending writ of habeas corpus to combat judges blocking deportation.

00:08:04.000 Now, I must admit, when we were originally thinking the big story for today that we want to cover is this Ukraine peace deal.

00:08:10.000 Not peace deal, but the minerals deal.

00:08:12.000 But this is, should it be true, massive.

00:08:16.000 Now, the thing is, Trump didn't explicitly say it, but I think it's clear what he's intending.

00:08:21.000 Charlie Kirk said it.

00:08:23.000 Charlie Kirk is in the know.

00:08:24.000 So maybe he's just insinuating or maybe Charlie knows something.

00:08:27.000 But we've been hearing this conversation bubbling up.

00:08:29.000 I got to be honest, it sounds like the inner circle, Donald Trump's team, is they're putting out feelers on the suspension of habeas corpus.

00:08:39.000 The president has the authority to do it under Article 2, Section 9 of the Constitution.

00:08:43.000 He can.

00:08:44.000 In the event of an invasion.

00:08:46.000 Let me play this tape for you guys.

00:08:49.000 You can hear for yourself what he said, and then we'll go through it.

00:08:51.000 You mentioned this last night in your speech in the Commonwealth.

00:08:53.000 We're facing an unprecedented situation where there's a lot of abuses of nationwide injunctions, sort of seemingly designed to curtail your power, specifically when it comes to deporting these evil violent aliens that came in under the previous administration.

00:09:08.000 Have you spoken to your team about ways to mitigate this and continue to deliver food?

00:09:12.000 Yeah, well, there are ways to mitigate it, and there's some very strong ways.

00:09:17.000 There's one way that's been used by three very highly respected presidents, but we hope we don't have to go that route.

00:09:23.000 But there is one way that has been used very successfully by three presidents.

00:09:29.000 Highly respected.

00:09:30.000 And hopefully we don't have to go that way.

00:09:32.000 But there are ways of mitigating that.

00:09:34.000 I want to thank you all very much.

00:09:36.000 There are ways.

00:09:37.000 Charlie Kirk tweets, President Trump is considering suspending writ of habeas corpus for illegal aliens to combat national injunctions by activist judges designed to block deportations.

00:09:47.000 President Abraham Lincoln famously issued the Presidential Proclamation 94, suspending the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War.

00:09:54.000 We then have this story of Common Dreams, a progressive activist site.

00:09:59.000 Absolute insanity.

00:10:00.000 Right-wing activist asks if Trump will suspend habeas corpus to expel more migrants.

00:10:06.000 And then, of course, appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room, Mediaite reports MAGA influencer tells Steve Bannon Trump, quote, will have no choice, end quote, but to suspend habeas corpus.

00:10:18.000 And that was a week ago.

00:10:19.000 I think these narratives are emerging because people who are in the inner circle are telling Trump, his advisors are telling him this.

00:10:27.000 These nationwide injunctions are unconstitutional.

00:10:29.000 They're not going to stop.

00:10:31.000 Anything you try to do on deportation, they will circumvent.

00:10:36.000 However, let me pull this up.

00:10:38.000 Article 2 of the Constitution, right here, right?

00:10:41.000 Executive power vested in the president.

00:10:42.000 We go down to, I'm sorry, did I get, wait, where is it?

00:10:46.000 Clause section, what's that?

00:10:48.000 I got the wrong one.

00:10:49.000 Which article was it?

00:10:50.000 Was it Article 9?

00:10:51.000 I think I had the wrong article pulled up.

00:10:54.000 I'm not sure what you're looking for, so I can't help.

00:10:56.000 Under the executive authority, the president has the authority to declare...

00:10:59.000 I've got to figure out which one this is.

00:11:00.000 I thought I had pulled up.

00:11:01.000 I pulled the wrong one.

00:11:02.000 The president has the authority during times of rebellion or invasion to suspend habeas corpus.

00:11:06.000 Yeah, you'll find it.

00:11:09.000 Regarding this as an invasion, I was thinking a couple days ago.

00:11:11.000 I've been thinking this for a while.

00:11:12.000 Even if the Biden administration had tried to defend our country against the invasion, there was like 12 million...

00:11:18.000 You found it?

00:11:19.000 Wrong article.

00:11:20.000 My bad.

00:11:21.000 It's Article 1, Section 9. Based?

00:11:24.000 The privilege of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.

00:11:30.000 So you might think, is it an invasion if they don't have weapons?

00:11:32.000 Well, you know, technically, yes.

00:11:34.000 So even if the Biden administration had defended our borders against it and only 3 million people got through instead of 12 million, we'd still have to do something about those 3 million people.

00:11:43.000 The Biden administration invited people.

00:11:45.000 They didn't do anything to prevent illegal immigration.

00:11:50.000 They were not.

00:11:53.000 You know, defending the border.

00:11:55.000 This is, to me, this is obvious, right?

00:11:57.000 I know that there are a lot of people that are going to be like, oh, well, you know, this is a problem and the president can't do this or it's unconstitutional.

00:12:05.000 There was absolutely an invasion of millions and millions and millions and millions of people that the previous administration just allowed into the country. 0.99

00:12:14.000 The only way you can get rid of them, and we've talked about this, you are not going to be able to have every single person go in front of the judge, and that's what the left wants.

00:12:23.000 So take that option off the table.

00:12:25.000 Other presidents in history have done it during unprecedented times.

00:12:28.000 This is an unprecedented situation.

00:12:31.000 Do it.

00:12:32.000 So I'll tell you where my mistake was.

00:12:34.000 I was assuming this is under Article 2 because it relates to the president's powers because presidents did this.

00:12:38.000 However, the argument that people have is that Section 9 pertains to the legislative branch.

00:12:44.000 And I don't know that that actually is true just because it's under Article 1, which Section 1 states legislative powers vested in Congress and largely deals with Congress.

00:12:53.000 And the reason I say this is that Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus unilaterally.

00:12:59.000 And it was only a few years later.

00:13:02.000 Congress actually passed a bill basically saying, yeah, that was okay, like that he did that.

00:13:06.000 So the question is going to be, can the president unilaterally do this?

00:13:10.000 Well, the precedent is that he can.

00:13:12.000 Of course he can.

00:13:13.000 Right.

00:13:14.000 And this is going to get very interesting.

00:13:15.000 I don't know.

00:13:17.000 I got no answers for you.

00:13:19.000 We can't exist in a country where you can let in 20 million illegal immigrants and then Trump can't use standard deportation powers.

00:13:25.000 Right.

00:13:26.000 Because if it happens again, you know, you just can't.

00:13:28.000 It's not even just about Trump.

00:13:30.000 It's about the following administration trying to right a wrong that the previous administration did.

00:13:36.000 They neglected to do their job.

00:13:38.000 Joe Biden himself said you should surge the border, invited anyone that could get here into the country, and then they started shipping them throughout the country in order to change the political makeup of the several states.

00:13:51.000 That's what the HHS was doing with the refugee resettlement program.

00:13:55.000 These are all well-documented.

00:13:56.000 We talked about this.

00:13:57.000 That was a real program that the HHS was doing.

00:14:01.000 It's not happening anymore under Kennedy, thankfully.

00:14:04.000 But the remedy for this is to get the people that are here illegally out of here. 1.00

00:14:10.000 And if...

00:14:11.000 The requirement to put them in front of a judge, which I don't even think that that's actually a requirement anyways, but if that's the narrative that the left's going for, that's what people want to see, just get rid of the habeas corpus for non-citizens. 0.96

00:14:23.000 I mean, this shouldn't be a blanket for all Americans.

00:14:26.000 If you're in the U.S. and you're a citizen, of course you should have the right to habeas corpus, but when it comes to people that are here illegally, just ship them out. 0.98

00:14:36.000 What about people on green cards?

00:14:39.000 Legal visitors.

00:14:40.000 Well, those people wouldn't be subject to deportation for being here illegally.

00:14:43.000 But if they had habeas corpus stripped, if only citizens remained with habeas corpus, what would that mean exactly for people that were here on a green card?

00:14:48.000 I think that the State Department could come up with a solution for that.

00:14:51.000 Because a state would say, okay, you're here on a green card, then okay, you can stay.

00:14:56.000 Because green cards are something that are...

00:14:59.000 Green cards are at the discretion of the State Department.

00:15:01.000 Or like a visa?

00:15:05.000 So if the habeas corpus was suspended for a human in the United States, what would that mean? 0.58

00:15:10.000 They have no civil rights?

00:15:11.000 No, that just means to deport them, they don't have to go in front of a judge.

00:15:15.000 What other rights do they lose?

00:15:17.000 This means specifically one thing.

00:15:19.000 Illegal immigrants right now can be subject to expedited removal.

00:15:22.000 They don't go before judges.

00:15:23.000 That's just not a thing that happens.

00:15:24.000 An ICE agent can see a guy and say, we have reason to believe that you're an illegal immigrant.

00:15:29.000 Do you have an ID or whatever?

00:15:31.000 If the suspicion arises to probable cause, then they can detain you for longer and try and figure things out.

00:15:35.000 Meaning, do they think your documents are forged?

00:15:37.000 But let's say what typically happens.

00:15:39.000 A guy comes in, they say, what are you doing?

00:15:41.000 They say, oh, I've come here, you know, I don't have any paperwork or whatever.

00:15:44.000 Okay, expedited removal.

00:15:46.000 That means we can get you out of here ASAP.

00:15:48.000 You don't go before a judge.

00:15:49.000 That's most of the cases.

00:15:51.000 That's what Obama was doing to the tunes of millions.

00:15:54.000 Suspending habeas corpus means that the people who live here, who are considered MS-13 or Trende Aragua, That have been adjudicated as such will not get a hearing.

00:16:04.000 They will be deported right away.

00:16:06.000 So the Supreme Court basically said everybody's got to get a habeas hearing.

00:16:09.000 That's where when they arrest somebody, they can go before a judge and determine whether or not it was lawful detainment or arrest.

00:16:17.000 Do we have the right to hold you?

00:16:19.000 But in the instance of like Kilmar Obrego Garcia, two courts had already adjudicated him as a member of MS-13.

00:16:25.000 The only due process issue that's being questioned is he was supposed to get an interview with a USCIS agent to determine whether or not the circumstances in El Salvador had changed.

00:16:35.000 They have changed, so he is safe.

00:16:37.000 So it's only a technicality that he didn't get his review after the fact.

00:16:42.000 The Trump administration could probably do that review and it would be over, and they could even do it from here, from the office, without interviewing the guy.

00:16:47.000 They'd just be like, we reviewed the circumstances of El Salvador.

00:16:49.000 He's fine.

00:16:50.000 He's safe in prison.

00:16:51.000 Have fun.

00:16:52.000 So this—oh, sorry.

00:16:53.000 No, that's it.

00:16:53.000 That's it.

00:16:54.000 So this is kind of a sticky situation because I see the arguments that Phil's making where it's like, hey, look, the Democrats created a big problem for us.

00:17:02.000 We have all these people that are here illegally that, quite frankly, we don't have infrastructure to properly get them in front of immigration judges to get some type of proper adjudication. 1.00

00:17:11.000 But at the same time, I also see the problem where you can have people where they won't be able to see a judge in their case, right?

00:17:18.000 Like we can look at some of the people that are being, you know, arrested by ICE for, you know, their comments against Israel, right?

00:17:23.000 The anti-Semitism laws that they push, like the girl that wrote the op-ed or Mahmoud Khalil, whatever, where they're not going to get due process.

00:17:28.000 I see both ends because there's people that need to be removed that are here illegally that, you know, you might need the suspension of habeas corpus to kind of get things through because we don't have the immigration infrastructure to deal with it. 0.65

00:17:39.000 But at the same time, you do have a good amount of people or you do have people that do have valid cases where they need to go see an immigration judge.

00:17:45.000 So it's a very difficult situation where you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

00:17:50.000 And it's tough.

00:17:51.000 It really is tough in this situation because there's people that quite literally need to be removed and honestly they don't even get a right to a judge because they've been ordered removed by an immigration judge.

00:18:00.000 And then you've got other people that kind of have to go through the process and see an immigration judge.

00:18:04.000 There's no answer.

00:18:05.000 There's no clear-cut answer here because every case is different.

00:18:08.000 Well, what I mean is you've got TDA, you've got MS-13, and you have 20 million illegal immigrants that flooded the country. 0.94

00:18:15.000 They are doing everything in their power to unconstitutionally block Trump.

00:18:19.000 The problem is Trump can do nothing and then be unconstitutionally blocked, or he can declare, as Abraham Lincoln did, we're going to suspend habeas corpus for these people under the Alien Enemies Act and deport them to El Salvador.

00:18:31.000 Why is he doing that?

00:18:32.000 Because Venezuela will not take back their TDA members.

00:18:35.000 The people from Venezuela who were released from the prisons and kicked out of the country, many of Trende Aragua, Venezuela basically said, screw you, we won't accept your flights.

00:18:43.000 So where do we deport them to?

00:18:45.000 Trump cut a deal with El Salvador saying, hey, we've got criminal gang members from Venezuela.

00:18:49.000 Venezuela won't take them back.

00:18:51.000 El Salvador said, we'll take them, but their criminal gang members are going to jail.

00:18:54.000 And Trump said, okay.

00:18:55.000 Supreme Court said they've got to have a habeas thing before you do that. 1.00

00:18:58.000 If he suspends this, he can deport them under the Alien Enemies Act.

00:19:01.000 Just, there you go.

00:19:02.000 It's a lot of freaking power for one man.

00:19:04.000 It is, but here's the problem.

00:19:05.000 I do not want Trump to suspend habeas corpus.

00:19:09.000 Obviously, he's not doing it for all Americans.

00:19:10.000 He's doing it for illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:19:13.000 Meaning...

00:19:13.000 Only after you—okay, so these are people who are found to have already been TDA or MS-13.

00:19:19.000 They are picking them up, sending them back, sending them to El Salvador or to jail. 0.76

00:19:25.000 There's no hearing for this.

00:19:27.000 They're not American citizens. 0.97

00:19:28.000 So it is a difficult position.

00:19:30.000 I do not want Trump to do that.

00:19:32.000 However, the position we are in right now is Trump does nothing.

00:19:39.000 And then we have MS-13 gang members, 20 million illegal immigrants.

00:19:43.000 And I'm talking like at large.

00:19:45.000 I mean, some argue it's 10, some argue it's 40. If Trump does nothing, it gets worse.

00:19:50.000 And then we have to deal with the ramifications of that, like their kids.

00:19:53.000 And not only that, the immigration system is extremely cumbersome, slow.

00:19:58.000 Like, we're talking about people might not be able to see a judge for years, and this is why we have a lot of the problems that we have, is because these immigration judges, a lot of the times, this is what happened with Biden.

00:20:06.000 Basically, these legal aliens would come in, they would get a notice to appear, instead of an expedited removal, they get the NTA, and then they kind of just go out into the wind, and they don't see a judge for years. 0.79

00:20:14.000 And this has been a problem in the immigration system for a while.

00:20:17.000 Even when I was on a job, I knew that if I gave someone an NTA, they wouldn't see a judge for a very long time.

00:20:21.000 That's why I rarely ever gave out NTAs, except unless they were informants.

00:20:24.000 So we have a big problem in the immigration world where we also need to reform.

00:20:28.000 I hear your concern about people that are targeted for what essentially is freedom of speech, right?

00:20:38.000 And I understand your point when it comes to there should be no laws against criticizing Israel. 0.53

00:20:45.000 There shouldn't be laws against anti-Semitic speech either.

00:20:49.000 I'm fully on the same page with you there.

00:20:52.000 I will say that the people that are That are targeted by ICE and stuff like that when it comes to those type of activities.

00:21:01.000 They're also almost to a man anti-American and anti-Western, very frequently anti-capitalist there.

00:21:11.000 They're anti-American, and they want to see, you know, the destruction of the United States, destruction of the Western way of life.

00:21:17.000 So, whereas I do understand your point, and if it was just about Israel, I'd be on the same page with you, but I don't, because of the other activities that they're involved in, almost all the time, I don't have a problem with getting them out. 0.85

00:21:28.000 What's the anti-Semitism, what happened?

00:21:31.000 Like, some people on a visa?

00:21:32.000 Yeah, so like two big people were, like, there was a bunch of students that had been basically arrested and deported by ICE because of their speech that's, you know, critical of Israel.

00:21:39.000 Like, one girl up in Boston, And, you know, she wrote an op-ed and they went and grabbed her.

00:21:43.000 And here's my thing when it comes to anti-Semitism thing.

00:21:45.000 Like, I used to work for ICE, so I understand how their resources are kind of spread thin when it comes to going and deporting people.

00:21:51.000 I think going after college students that are legally here on F1 visas, that are going to class and doing what they're supposed to do, and they're criticisms of Israel, targeting them is a gross misuse and waste of resources that they could be using on going on illegal aliens.

00:22:05.000 because number one, we don't have the immigration infrastructure from the court system, and we also don't even have the resources when it comes to agents going after these guys to waste it on people that are talking about Israel is kind of ridiculous, especially when

00:22:16.000 I'm on the same page with you.

00:22:20.000 I completely agree.

00:22:21.000 That is fair.

00:22:24.000 The Venn diagram of people that are anti-Israel, that are also anti-America and anti-West, is almost a circle.

00:22:32.000 If you listen to people, and not saying that, just for an example of the attitude, Hassan Piker, very, very anti-Israel, very critical of Israel, also hates America, hates capitalism.

00:22:44.000 Pro-MS-13.

00:22:46.000 Very successful capitalist, by the way.

00:22:48.000 Every bad thing that you don't want in your country, that's Hassan. 1.00

00:22:52.000 Now, I'm not saying Hassan should be sent out of the country.

00:22:54.000 He's an American citizen, even if he's an anchor baby.

00:22:56.000 But I used him as an example of the attitude and the opinions that tend to be of the

00:23:03.000 Let me respond to that.

00:23:04.000 I think that's what sets us apart and makes us the best country in the world is because we allow people that don't like our government, that don't like our country to be able to exist and say it.

00:23:12.000 And that's quite literally what separates us from these other countries.

00:23:15.000 That's what makes us so great.

00:23:16.000 Though I disagree with their worldview and I think that they're wrong, I think...

00:23:21.000 Us allowing them to say what they want to say for their political views separates us from everyone else and makes us great.

00:23:26.000 I'm with you except for people that are not American citizens. 0.98

00:23:30.000 Hassan, as an American citizen, fine.

00:23:32.000 He can say that stuff.

00:23:33.000 He's an American.

00:23:34.000 He was born here.

00:23:35.000 Cool.

00:23:35.000 American citizens can be critical of the United States government, can be critical of our way of life.

00:23:39.000 That's fine.

00:23:40.000 But if you're going to come to the United States, and you're going to go to school, and you're going to be here as a guest, and then you're saying things like, America must be destroyed, beat it!

00:23:48.000 Beat it! 0.94

00:23:50.000 Beat it! 0.94

00:23:50.000 Though I see your perspective, and I actually do see where you're coming from with there. 0.94

00:23:54.000 The reality is this.

00:23:56.000 They can burn an American flag and be fine. 0.89

00:23:58.000 It's when they talk about Israel that they're getting deported.

00:24:00.000 That's the problem.

00:24:01.000 That's my issue.

00:24:02.000 We will enforce immigration law on people that are critical of Israel instead of people that are insulting the United States.

00:24:07.000 I don't have a problem.

00:24:08.000 If they just said death to America and didn't say anything about Israel, they could stay.

00:24:11.000 But if they say I don't like Israel or write an op-ed about it where they're not even talking about anything else besides the country of Israel, not Hamas, by the way, they're getting deported.

00:24:18.000 That's my problem.

00:24:19.000 And again, when it comes to whether they're critical of Israel or not, I'm on the same page with you.

00:24:24.000 There should be no laws against anti-Semitism. 0.97

00:24:27.000 There should be no laws against people that are being critical of Israel.

00:24:30.000 I'm 100% on board with that. 0.96

00:24:31.000 I hate these anti-Americans just like you. 0.99

00:24:32.000 I used to put them in jail. 0.97

00:24:33.000 But my thing is, that's what makes our country so great.

00:24:36.000 I know.

00:24:37.000 That's what makes our country so great, is that we allow them to say that they hate America.

00:24:40.000 Better idea.

00:24:41.000 Moratorium on immigration.

00:24:42.000 I mean, I agree.

00:24:43.000 One to five years, bare minimum.

00:24:45.000 Five years?

00:24:45.000 One to five?

00:24:46.000 One to five years, bare minimum.

00:24:47.000 I've said this for a minute.

00:24:48.000 No more people in for one to five years.

00:24:50.000 That's not a long time.

00:24:51.000 That's reasonable.

00:24:51.000 And largely because...

00:24:54.000 Because we need to reform everything, Tim.

00:24:55.000 And I can go through all the weak points that we have.

00:24:58.000 The visa system, broken.

00:24:59.000 People coming in here on J-1s, F-1s, destroying our country, overstaying their visas. 1.00

00:25:03.000 We got the border, which Trump shut down for a good amount, but it's still susceptible to people coming in illegally.

00:25:08.000 The marriage fraud scheme that we have where people are literally abusing our document.

00:25:11.000 It's a benefit fraud situation.

00:25:13.000 We're getting beat on so many different angles when it comes to immigration.

00:25:15.000 Let me jump to the story from Fox News.

00:25:18.000 Blue State judge attempts to stop Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal immigrants without warrant.

00:25:23.000 Border Patrol argues it's changed its procedures, making ruling irrelevant.

00:25:27.000 This is a weird story.

00:25:28.000 Deport her to the crystals.

00:25:29.000 A California judge...

00:25:30.000 I believe it's a guy, isn't it?

00:25:32.000 A California judge...

00:25:33.000 But it's funny.

00:25:33.000 Actually, it is a woman.

00:25:35.000 A California judge on Tuesday demanded Border Patrol agents allow people they think are living in the U.S. illegally to stay in the country unless authorities have a warrant or reason to believe the person may flee before they can get one.

00:25:46.000 U.S. District Judge Jennifer L. Thurston ruled on Tuesday that CBP agents in the Eastern District of California cannot stop illegal immigrants without reasonable suspicion or deport them via voluntary departure unless that person has explained their rights and

00:26:01.000 agrees to leave, according to a report from the AP.

00:26:04.000 That's right.

00:26:05.000 In California, they said that if CBP finds an illegal immigrant, they have to ask them politely to leave.

00:26:10.000 And if the illegal immigrant says no, they can't do anything about it. 0.99

00:26:13.000 But if they're an illegal immigrant, is that not reasonable suspicion? 1.00

00:26:16.000 Yes!

00:26:17.000 Okay, then how is she saying that?

00:26:18.000 I can talk about this in detail.

00:26:20.000 Number one, she doesn't have the authority to say that because she's a district judge. 1.00

00:26:23.000 So district judges and immigration judges are two different things.

00:26:26.000 The district judge is overseeing a lot of times criminal cases that have nothing to do with immigration.

00:26:30.000 So when it comes to immigration, as an immigration enforcement officer, and there's only a couple agencies that have title-aid authority, it's Homeland Security Investigations, HSI.

00:26:38.000 Ice Enforcement Removal Operations, which are both under the umbrella of ICE.

00:26:41.000 You got Border Patrol, and then you got Customs and Border Protection CBP OFO blue uniform, and then Border Patrol is green uniform, both under Customs and Border Protection.

00:26:49.000 A little confusing.

00:26:50.000 And then FBI has Limited Title VIII, and so does CBP Office of Air and Marine AMO.

00:26:56.000 The reality is you can conduct something called an immigration inspection, right, where you're determining someone alienage.

00:27:01.000 So if you live on a southwest border, if you're like, you know, Border Patrol checkpoints all over the place, and you go through, they say, of what country are you a citizen of?

00:27:08.000 And you have to respond whether you're a citizen or whatever.

00:27:10.000 That's considered an immigration inspection and them determining your alienage.

00:27:15.000 So an immigration officer can absolutely ask you, hey, What is your status in the United States?

00:27:20.000 And if you don't want to tell them, they can actually fingerprint you and figure it out under the Department of Homeland Security Act.

00:27:24.000 So this is another example of an overzealous district judge thinking they know what they're talking about. 0.89

00:27:28.000 But when it comes to Title 8 authority, we can absolutely ask and determine alienage, and the judge can't say shit about that.

00:27:34.000 The issue that we've got right now is that no matter what Trump does, they're claiming it's unconstitutional, despite the fact that universal injunctions and things like this are unconstitutional.

00:27:43.000 So what do you do?

00:27:47.000 I was on Piers Morgan earlier, and Cenk Uygur was on, and Sri Tenedar, they're all saying everything he's doing is unconstitutional.

00:27:55.000 He's doing all these unconstitutional things.

00:27:56.000 And I'm like, so are Democrats.

00:27:58.000 What does this mean?

00:27:59.000 What does it matter?

00:28:00.000 I gotta be honest.

00:28:02.000 I'm sitting here as a guy who reads the news all day, every day, watching Democrats scream that Trump is doing things that are unconstitutional while they do the exact same things.

00:28:09.000 And I'm just like, for what purpose are we even debating it at this point?

00:28:12.000 Yeah, and even this immigration thing, like, you know...

00:28:15.000 The heaviest corpus is a whole other conversation, but when it comes to determining alienage or hooking somebody up for being an illegal alien, that's 100% under the INA and Immigration Authority.

00:28:23.000 A district judge has no say in that, unless it's criminal.

00:28:26.000 But the thing is with immigration is a lot of these cases end up becoming administrative, which have nothing to do with the criminal court process.

00:28:32.000 So her saying this, you can go ahead and yap all you want, but at the end of the day, determining alienage is 100% within their right to do so if they're a Title VIII enforcement officer.

00:28:45.000 You know, Trump may be suspending habeas corpus, which, again, it appears under Article 1 that the argument is that it's a congressional power.

00:28:51.000 I'm sorry, a legislative power, not an executive branch.

00:28:54.000 And here's the other thing, too, I'll tell you.

00:28:55.000 This is how they stop terrorists a lot of times.

00:28:56.000 They're a little secret that nobody knows about.

00:28:58.000 And these joint terrorism task forces, right, JTTFs that the FBI runs...

00:29:02.000 HSI is one of their most important partners because a lot of the times the FBI can't gather enough evidence for actual material support of terrorism.

00:29:08.000 So what they have to do a lot of the times is go the immigration route.

00:29:11.000 And there's many different ways that you can go after someone, whether it's denaturalizing them if they're a U.S. citizen, getting their green card revoked for certain violations, or just getting them deported outright.

00:29:20.000 That is how a lot of times these terrorist plots are thwarted is through immigration enforcement.

00:29:24.000 Why?

00:29:25.000 Because immigration enforcement gives you way more latitude to get things done versus through the criminal court.

00:29:30.000 We were reading an article from Matt Taibbi the other day about whether or not we're in a soft civil war.

00:29:35.000 And he was talking about how 200 security officials and diplomats had written this letter saying it's time to mobilize to defend our way of life.

00:29:41.000 And I see that.

00:29:42.000 And I've been thinking about the population collapse quite a bit because I've been talking about it nonstop.

00:29:47.000 Everybody listens knows.

00:29:48.000 And I'm looking at the immigration thing and I just I see it all.

00:29:51.000 And it's probably still surface level because I don't know everything that's going on.

00:29:54.000 But it really does feel like there are two universes, two realities that are fighting.

00:29:59.000 Both are completely aware of what the other represents.

00:30:01.000 The Democrat side is the law is what we deem it so.

00:30:06.000 These are the textualists of the Constitution.

00:30:09.000 This is whatever is written there as we interpret, as opposed to what did the founders mean?

00:30:13.000 And their worldview is there's not enough people.

00:30:16.000 The problem is,

00:30:43.000 both sides represent...

00:30:46.000 There's an end to the United States.

00:30:48.000 And it's not that Trump is doing something or, well, I'll put it this way.

00:30:51.000 What Trump is doing is desperately trying to pull the plane out of a tailspin and stop us from crashing.

00:30:58.000 What the Democrats are doing is saying, you're already cooked.

00:31:02.000 We're going to flood this country with people. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Otherwise, the system crumbles anyway, and we're going to transform it into something else.

00:31:08.000 It's going to be a global country for all people, multicultural with open borders.

00:31:13.000 And Donald Trump is saying, keep America America, but there's not enough people.

00:31:18.000 So, I bring this up because thinking about what this judge is doing, okay, it's psychotic.

00:31:26.000 Like, as you're imagining, a judge can't do that.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, she doesn't even have the, yeah. 0.99

00:31:30.000 This is not the first time we've seen a judge basically say, I can say and do whatever I want.

00:31:33.000 I believe it was Judge Bosberg who said that he had equal powers to the president.

00:31:37.000 Insane.

00:31:38.000 Absolutely does not.

00:31:39.000 It's absolutely untrue.

00:31:40.000 But they don't care.

00:31:42.000 And so the issue is, whatever's going to happen, you've got two distinct worldviews that want control of this country, and they are headed for a collision course, whatever that means.

00:31:55.000 And the other thing too, right, is like, so, and we were talking about this earlier, The problem with a lot of these liberals and these Democrats is they're trying to paint Trump as some crazy fascist or whatever because X, Y, Z. The perfect example went down in Minnesota or Milwaukee, wherever it was, with this judge that tried to block these agents from arresting this guy that was illegally here.

00:32:14.000 I saw every big left-wing political commentator say, this is fascism, look at this, Trump is arresting judges, blah, blah, blah.

00:32:19.000 But the reality is that judge broke the law.

00:32:21.000 I mean, if we're going to go through it, that illegal alien that was there, and I'll go through this nice and factual so everyone understands, and I literally can debate any liberal on this. 1.00

00:32:28.000 They don't know immigration law and they're stupid. 1.00

00:32:29.000 It's very simple. 1.00

00:32:30.000 Yeah, let's go through this because every single one of them gave this same exact talk point.

00:32:33.000 He's arresting judges now.

00:32:34.000 This is fascism.

00:32:35.000 Okay, here are the facts.

00:32:37.000 This guy was arrested back in 2013.

00:32:38.000 I think Flores Ruiz is his last name.

00:32:40.000 He was arrested back in 2013.

00:32:42.000 He was arrested in Nogales, Arizona, right around the border.

00:32:44.000 He was brought in.

00:32:45.000 He got caught.

00:32:47.000 Border Patrol gave him what's called an expedited removal, ER.

00:32:49.000 That is good because they get deported within two weeks.

00:32:51.000 They don't really see an immigration judge because they got caught in a load.

00:32:54.000 They're not supposed to be here.

00:32:54.000 Inadmissible.

00:32:55.000 Boom.

00:32:55.000 So that means he can't come to the United States.

00:32:57.000 He comes back in again.

00:32:58.000 He gets caught.

00:32:59.000 He gets arrested for domestic violence and he goes to see the judge.

00:33:02.000 Immigration obviously is aware of this.

00:33:03.000 Maybe there was a detainer put, whatever, but they know that he's here illegally and he's there.

00:33:06.000 He's at the court thing.

00:33:08.000 Was the victim a man or a woman?

00:33:10.000 I think it was his girlfriend or wife.

00:33:13.000 Domestic violence, basically.

00:33:15.000 On Fox they said he beat a man.

00:33:16.000 Okay.

00:33:17.000 But then, a separate time, they said that there were two female witnesses there seeking justice.

00:33:23.000 Okay.

00:33:23.000 I know it was a misdemeanor crime of DV, either or.

00:33:26.000 So people are getting mad, right?

00:33:28.000 Saying, oh, well...

00:33:29.000 Because then what happens is this is very important.

00:33:31.000 So the agents go to the courthouse and they are talking with the bailiffs.

00:33:35.000 Hey, look, we're here to effectuate an arrest.

00:33:37.000 This guy's coming here, etc.

00:33:39.000 The guys say, okay, cool, whatever.

00:33:40.000 Now, they're giving a courtesy by even saying why they're there.

00:33:43.000 They don't need to tell them why they're there, but they go ahead and they stay there.

00:33:45.000 Then they wait outside the courtroom.

00:33:46.000 The defense attorney comes out, and I read this on a criminal complaint.

00:33:50.000 The defense attorney comes out, sees them.

00:33:51.000 Obviously, cops look like cops.

00:33:53.000 Hey, these guys are probably fed.

00:33:54.000 They're here to pick this guy up.

00:33:55.000 So she goes and tells the judge.

00:33:56.000 Judge comes out angry, tells him, hey, what are you doing?

00:33:59.000 What are you guys here for? 1.00

00:33:59.000 The deportation officer is an idiot. 1.00

00:34:01.000 He goes, oh yeah, I'm here to pick up this guy. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Do you have a judicial warrant?

00:34:04.000 That's irrelevant.

00:34:05.000 This guy's illegally here. 0.98

00:34:06.000 He's ordered deported by a judge.

00:34:07.000 He's not supposed to be here.

00:34:08.000 He was expat removed.

00:34:09.000 Whatever.

00:34:09.000 So she takes him to another judge's chambers, the chief judge, while she has her hearing.

00:34:13.000 Luckily, the DEA agent that was there that was a part of this arrest task force is sitting on the bench.

00:34:17.000 They didn't identify him.

00:34:18.000 So he has eyes on the guy.

00:34:20.000 When the guy finishes his court appearance, Flores Ruiz, the judge takes him through her chambers, which is something that you never do.

00:34:27.000 Right?

00:34:27.000 No one goes to the judge's chambers except for agents a lot of times, her and her staff.

00:34:31.000 She takes them through her chambers and then goes outside the side. 0.79

00:34:33.000 Now the DEA agent sees this and he tells other guys, hey, just so you guys know why you guys are wasting your time in this other judge's chambers because he's trying to call his boss and stuff while he's there, explaining himself for no reason.

00:34:44.000 The guy gets an elevator with his defense attorney.

00:34:46.000 They're talking to each other in Spanish.

00:34:47.000 DEA agent is there listening.

00:34:48.000 They don't know he's an agent.

00:34:50.000 They get outside.

00:34:51.000 He's telling the guys, hey, come outside.

00:34:51.000 He's out.

00:34:52.000 He's out.

00:34:53.000 So they go out and they identify themselves.

00:34:55.000 Foot chase ensues.

00:34:56.000 They go and grab him.

00:34:57.000 Now, here's the problem.

00:34:57.000 The reason why they go to the courthouse to do this stuff is because they know it's sanitary.

00:35:00.000 They know he doesn't have a gun.

00:35:01.000 He doesn't have a weapon.

00:35:02.000 It's a safe place to effectuate the arrest.

00:35:03.000 We do it all the time.

00:35:04.000 I used to do it all the time, right?

00:35:06.000 So when this judge purposely took him around the side, didn't let them be there and make their lawful arrest that they were supposed to make, she... 1.00

00:35:14.000 Obviously obstructed them.

00:35:16.000 And I would say, I would argue, 8 USC 3024, anyone could look this up.

00:35:19.000 There's a substitute in there which, you know, entices or enables aliens to stay in the country illegally.

00:35:24.000 Now here's the other thing. 0.97

00:35:25.000 For people saying, due process, due process, he shouldn't even have been here in the fucking first place to be able to commit that domestic violence. 0.95

00:35:31.000 So there is no due process for him because he was ordered removed. 0.94

00:35:34.000 There's another question for a federal outside of immigration in that this is a man facing criminal charges.

00:35:42.000 Yep.

00:35:42.000 Ignore immigration.

00:35:43.000 Let's say a guy, an American-born guy, his name's Cletus, and he mercilessly beat his wife.

00:35:49.000 And he comes into court, and his wife is there with her, you know, mom, and they're crying, and they're like, look what he did to her.

00:35:56.000 And the judge goes, I'm gonna sneak you out of here.

00:35:59.000 And then takes this guy accused of mercilessly beating his wife, shuffles him out the back door and says, run for it. 0.97

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 That's a crime, too!

00:36:05.000 Yeah, it is.

00:36:05.000 So outside of immigration, there should be other federal charges on this.

00:36:09.000 And the thing is, like, with these guys, they're being really nice, very polite.

00:36:11.000 Because I get it.

00:36:12.000 You're there in a state court.

00:36:13.000 You're there to conduct an arrest.

00:36:14.000 You don't want to create problems.

00:36:15.000 You kind of want to be able to do this later on in the future.

00:36:18.000 But the judge got in the way and obviously obstructed.

00:36:21.000 100%.

00:36:21.000 She's in the wrong.

00:36:22.000 She deserves to go to jail for that. 1.00

00:36:23.000 And all these, you know, Democrats are going wild because literally, dude, it's like they all gave the same talking point. 1.00

00:36:28.000 Trump is a fascist. 0.98

00:36:29.000 He's arresting judges now for doing their jobs. 1.00

00:36:31.000 They're standing up for due process, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:32.000 But what they don't understand is that guy didn't deserve due process because he shouldn't have been here in the first place.

00:36:36.000 No, no, no.

00:36:36.000 The Democrats don't get this.

00:36:37.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:36:38.000 This is the gaslighting.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, I was so pissed.

00:36:40.000 Everybody gets their due process.

00:36:42.000 Due process does not mean criminal trial.

00:36:45.000 Due process, legally defined, is the fair treatment under the law.

00:36:49.000 Illegal immigrants get fair treatment under the law. 0.99

00:36:52.000 An ICE agent will stop them and say, I have reason to believe you're not a citizen.

00:36:55.000 Can you show me some ID?

00:36:57.000 If they can't, they say, okay, come with me.

00:36:58.000 We're going to come and check out who you are.

00:37:00.000 Turns out he's not a citizen.

00:37:01.000 Expedited removal.

00:37:02.000 You don't even go to a judge.

00:37:03.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:37:04.000 If you got ordered expedited removal, I don't even got to do all that.

00:37:06.000 I just take them.

00:37:08.000 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:37:10.000 But the ICRO guys that were there, I get it.

00:37:13.000 They were trying to be polite and professional, but honestly, they didn't even have to let him go to court.

00:37:18.000 If it was me, if I was there and I was leading that team, I would have been like, I'm just taking him.

00:37:21.000 This judge is being a pain.

00:37:22.000 She's trying to distract us. 0.86

00:37:23.000 I'm just taking him.

00:37:24.000 You guys can't do anything about it.

00:37:25.000 This is the important thing here.

00:37:26.000 The media, I believe, has successfully gaslit The Trump supporter base and conservatives into believing that due process means jury trial.

00:37:34.000 Oh yeah, due process might mean no jury.

00:37:36.000 Whatever the righteous legal path forward is, is the due process.

00:37:41.000 Exactly.

00:37:41.000 Whether that's trial or no trial.

00:37:42.000 So now I'm hearing from all these conservatives saying, he shouldn't get due process.

00:37:45.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:37:46.000 No, they should all get due process.

00:37:48.000 What is fair to someone who illegally entered the country for us to quickly send them back? 1.00

00:37:54.000 Honestly, his due process is you're under arrest for being illegally.

00:37:56.000 That's his due process because he's already been removed.

00:37:59.000 And like, again, this is why, and I don't blame people for not understanding this stuff because immigration law is very nuanced and complicated.

00:38:04.000 So unless you worked in it, you're not going to know this stuff.

00:38:07.000 But the reality is like for all these liberal talking heads, like they don't know what they're talking about.

00:38:10.000 I could debate any of them on this.

00:38:12.000 Like the guy shouldn't even have been in the courtroom in the first place and gotten this due process.

00:38:19.000 I'd argue if a dude attacked a police officer with a gun and was threatening and going to shoot and kill the police officer and the police officer shoots and kills the guy, the guy got his due process.

00:38:28.000 That's exactly what was supposed to happen legally to the guy if he was threatening the life of a police officer.

00:38:32.000 That's not quite.

00:38:32.000 That's a form of due process.

00:38:34.000 Well, you know, I'm going to half agree with Ian.

00:38:36.000 I understand the point he's trying to make.

00:38:38.000 That are you treated fairly under the law?

00:38:40.000 And if you're a dude who's threatening to murder a cop and the cop...

00:38:44.000 Seeing a threat to his life.

00:38:46.000 Defends himself.

00:38:47.000 You were treated fairly under the law.

00:38:49.000 It's a tragedy, but...

00:38:50.000 You created that circumstance.

00:38:52.000 And I also want to say here too, it's very important.

00:38:55.000 And again, I'm speaking about this in immigration.

00:38:57.000 This is why when it comes to the anti-Semitism stuff, that's a bit different because these people were legally here and they're kind of using some nuanced laws to try to justify removing them.

00:39:05.000 But with these other individuals, like this guy Ruiz or whatever, he was literally removed and an immigration judge already deemed them as what's called the final order of deportation, which means...

00:39:15.000 You don't even get to get a—like, you're cooked.

00:39:17.000 Like, you get deported any time an immigration officer encounters you.

00:39:21.000 So that's kind of what it comes down to.

00:39:23.000 But the problem is that since so few law enforcement actually have Title 8 authority or even understand it, they can't enforce it properly.

00:39:28.000 Or they try to stay away from it, which is why so many people go to places like Denver or these blue states, because they won't even bother asking.

00:39:34.000 And even if they know that they're illegal, they won't even try to call ICE or they won't hold detainers or any of this stuff, which is a big reason why we're in this problem in the first place, where these law enforcement agencies are scared to even touch Title 8. We're coming up on the age of people thinking that it's okay.

00:39:48.000 I think law doesn't mean good.

00:39:50.000 You might have evil laws.

00:39:51.000 The people that hid the Jews from the Nazis, for instance, might have been doing a righteous move, even though it was illegal. 0.79

00:39:56.000 So you're going to see this conversation about, is it righteous to break these laws, to harbor illegal aliens? 0.99

00:40:03.000 That's going to be the big conversation in the next four years.

00:40:06.000 It's already the conversation that's being had.

00:40:07.000 There are people that are...

00:40:09.000 I don't know if it was a senator or a congressman that was saying that it's...

00:40:14.000 The moral thing to do.

00:40:15.000 The judge that was hiding the illegal immigrant, that he was doing something illegal, but it was the moral thing to do. 0.94

00:40:21.000 They're already making those arguments.

00:40:22.000 That deeply runs through me as well, because I don't always adhere to the law.

00:40:26.000 If it's an evil law, you have a moral righteous duty to defy the law.

00:40:30.000 No, it's not a moral thing to hide someone that has come here illegally.

00:40:36.000 That's immoral.

00:40:37.000 Well, think about this, though.

00:40:39.000 What if the laws get changed and now it's illegal for some other thing that really shouldn't be illegal?

00:40:43.000 You could come up with all kinds of hypotheticals, but the fact of the matter is, the people that have come here illegally...

00:40:50.000 The intent is to dilute the voting power of the existing American citizens.

00:40:55.000 It is not moral to allow them to stay and harm the American people by making their vote have less power.

00:41:04.000 And there's also a very illicit industry that literally runs off of this.

00:41:08.000 It's called...

00:41:08.000 It covers human smuggling and also harboring.

00:41:12.000 Like, there's stash house operators all over the country that literally hold groups of illegal aliens there and get paid a lot of money to hold them there.

00:41:19.000 It's almost like...

00:41:19.000 It's actually more lucrative than drugs in a lot of ways.

00:41:21.000 Yeah, because you can, like, when it comes to a child that's being sex trafficked, that child can be raped ten times a day as opposed to, you know, you sell whatever, you know, some coke and they'll take...

00:41:33.000 Yeah, human smuggling is a very lucrative business.

00:41:35.000 And the thing also that I need people to understand when it comes to, like, illegal aliens, a lot of people say, well, they're just trying to come here and find a better life.

00:41:41.000 What people don't understand is, okay, let's assume they're coming in here and they're trying to live a better life.

00:41:44.000 they're still funding and helping operate an illicit multibillion dollar business that facilitates the illegal movement of people into United States that also goes into other crimes as well.

00:41:56.000 People need to watch The Sound of Freedom again.

00:42:01.000 Like, re-watch that.

00:42:02.000 Oh, that intro.

00:42:03.000 I watched it a couple weeks ago, and it is horrible.

00:42:05.000 And there is far too much bad that comes with illegal immigration than to ever think that allowing them to stay is moral. 0.85

00:42:13.000 Well, I'm thinking about this girl.

00:42:14.000 That scene where Wiesel says the...

00:42:18.000 He quotes the Bible as he's catching the predator.

00:42:21.000 That movie was fantastic.

00:42:22.000 Tim Ballard used to be an HSI agent.

00:42:25.000 He left a long time ago.

00:42:27.000 It changed a lot since he's been on the job.

00:42:29.000 He used to literally be out of our Arizona office back in the day.

00:42:32.000 When I'm going hard on the legal stuff...

00:42:34.000 Phoenix, maybe.

00:42:35.000 He's great, by the way.

00:42:36.000 We interviewed him on this show.

00:42:39.000 The girl that got deported for being anti-Semitic.

00:42:41.000 They just made that illegal. 0.99

00:42:43.000 The one out of Somerville, right?

00:42:44.000 I guess it's out of some room.

00:42:45.000 They didn't have passed the law like a month ago or something.

00:42:47.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:42:47.000 That's not what they used.

00:42:48.000 What did they do?

00:42:49.000 They cited their authority under the INA to deport anyone they deemed a national security threat.

00:42:54.000 That's it.

00:42:55.000 I think the statute that they're using, Marco Rubio is using one where any alien that makes foreign policy more difficult for them is...

00:43:04.000 We went over this bill because what happened was, I got it wrong, I thought it was...

00:43:09.000 I can't remember the section numbers, 273 or something, that states that they can at any time revoke a visa.

00:43:14.000 And then we actually fact-checked it, and it was like three-something of the INA that states...

00:43:19.000 I think it's a foreign policy one.

00:43:21.000 It's under 237A of INA.

00:43:24.000 The specific provision is if they pose a threat to U.S. national security.

00:43:29.000 And that's like, if someone's like, I don't like the way Saudi Arabia is cutting people's hands off, they're like, well, we need Saudi Arabia to defend the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, so you're a national security threat by saying that out loud.

00:43:39.000 Now, in that example, right, I would agree with you.

00:43:41.000 So that's not a good thing for American free speech.

00:43:44.000 Because you have the right to criticize Israel and Saudi Arabia and any of these. 0.87

00:43:47.000 Foreigners do? 1.00

00:43:48.000 Even if you're at war.

00:43:48.000 I mean, technically you're supposed to still be allowed to at war.

00:43:50.000 Yeah, there's case law that protects foreigners for political speech.

00:43:53.000 I am not ever going to be okay with allowing foreign people to come to our country to dictate by protest what we do. 1.00

00:44:00.000 Listen, just think about...

00:44:01.000 It is legal.

00:44:03.000 Sorry, I'll let you finish.

00:44:04.000 Just think about how the freedom of speech is actually protected in the Constitution.

00:44:08.000 It says Congress shall make no law.

00:44:12.000 Abridging the freedom of speech.

00:44:13.000 Congress isn't making a law.

00:44:15.000 They're saying we're revoking your visa because of a law that's already on the books.

00:44:20.000 No, not a law.

00:44:21.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:44:21.000 We've got to clarify that because the interpretation of the First Amendment extends well beyond making a law.

00:44:25.000 But that's fair enough.

00:44:26.000 But what's being done is revocation of visa.

00:44:30.000 And the Secretary of State can revoke for...

00:44:33.000 Any, not for a bunch of different reasons.

00:44:35.000 But I just, I want to say, like, I hear what you're saying.

00:44:37.000 I don't care.

00:44:38.000 The idea that we'd be like, by all means, come to the United States.

00:44:42.000 It's a privilege to be here, not a right.

00:44:44.000 Enjoy our luxurious economy and all these wonderful things.

00:44:48.000 And then you go, I am now going to protest against you.

00:44:51.000 I'd say, get out of my house.

00:44:52.000 Yeah.

00:44:52.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:44:53.000 It's not that they're protesting.

00:44:54.000 It's because they're protesting against Israel.

00:44:55.000 Like this girl, for example, that we're referring to, it was a Turkish girl.

00:44:58.000 She got arrested for, by like seven ICE agents, by the way, up in Somerville, Massachusetts.

00:45:02.000 She goes to Tufts.

00:45:03.000 She got arrested for writing an op-ed that was critical of Israel.

00:45:06.000 She didn't mention anything about Hamas.

00:45:07.000 She literally just talked about boycotts and how she doesn't like Israel and how they're killing people.

00:45:11.000 She got arrested for that, and I think that is a problem.

00:45:12.000 Even though she's not a U.S. citizen.

00:45:14.000 So we had this guy, Pisco Liddy, we were debating this, and I asked him, is U.S. foreign policy aligned with Israel?

00:45:22.000 A lot of the times it is, or we try to force it to be.

00:45:25.000 It is.

00:45:25.000 For their benefit, yeah.

00:45:26.000 I mean, surface level it is.

00:45:27.000 Yeah, sure.

00:45:28.000 Is it a threat to our foreign policy to allow... 0.93

00:45:31.000 College students to come in and start proselytizing, advocating, or protesting against one of our allies in the Middle East.

00:45:38.000 It's a threat to Israel, not to us. 0.86

00:45:39.000 It's a threat to our foreign policy. 0.65

00:45:41.000 Which is dictated by Israel. 0.91

00:45:43.000 I mean, if you want to make that argument.

00:45:44.000 The point is simply this.

00:45:46.000 We can get into the deep nuances, but that's not what matters.

00:45:48.000 What matters is it's legal under the law.

00:45:50.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:45:51.000 It's selective enforcement, and I'm not a fan of that.

00:45:54.000 Like, just because some chick wrote an article, they're saying, get out?

00:45:56.000 Oh, come on, there's a lot of articles written by a lot of people who are against our...

00:46:00.000 Like, how many people have been deported because they're critical of the war in Ukraine?

00:46:04.000 They came over here on a visa and then said, you know, we shouldn't be funding or being involved.

00:46:09.000 They're not getting deported.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, they're not, yeah.

00:46:10.000 Look what happened with Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine, criticizing the Ukrainian government.

00:46:14.000 He got killed.

00:46:15.000 The point I'm making is, if somebody came into my house...

00:46:19.000 Sure.

00:46:19.000 And they knocked on my door and said, hey, I see that you guys are having a pizza party.

00:46:22.000 Can I come in?

00:46:23.000 I'd say, you know what?

00:46:25.000 You pitch in for the pizza.

00:46:27.000 You can have some pizza and hang out with us.

00:46:28.000 But you're not one of our roommates, so just be nice. 0.98

00:46:30.000 They walk in, kick their shoes off, sit down, and then look at one of my roommates in the face and say, that guy is a disgusting pizza. 0.99

00:46:37.000 Get out of my house! 1.00

00:46:39.000 You're a guest here. 0.93

00:46:40.000 You have no right to come in here and say these things.

00:46:42.000 No, I see.

00:46:42.000 But here's the thing.

00:46:43.000 They kind of do, though, right?

00:46:44.000 And there's case law out there that allows people that are foreign nationals to have, you know, Politically protected speech.

00:46:50.000 And again, she was here legally.

00:46:52.000 She came here.

00:46:53.000 She's a student visa. 0.56

00:46:53.000 Again, I don't agree with a lot of these liberals. 0.56

00:46:55.000 We can revoke their visa for whatever reason.

00:46:57.000 The INA literally...

00:46:59.000 The Secretary of State has unilateral authority under the INA to evoke any visa at any time at their own discretion.

00:47:06.000 Since how long has that been going on?

00:47:08.000 17-something, I guess.

00:47:09.000 Basically, he's using the statute under 237 to deport them because it makes it harder for him as Secretary of State to run foreign policy.

00:47:18.000 That's like the statute they're using.

00:47:19.000 And look...

00:47:20.000 If that's what he wants to try to use, you can make the argument that that is completely antithetical to the First Amendment because there is a case law out there that shows that foreign nationals, Bridges v. 0.75

00:47:30.000 Wixson, if I'm not mistaken, people can look that up.

00:47:32.000 Very similar case where someone who was a communist or alleged to be a communist was protected.

00:47:38.000 They were a green card holder.

00:47:38.000 They were protected.

00:47:40.000 From being deported because of their political speech.

00:47:42.000 And I would argue you can make the similarity because communism back then was what terrorism is today, which is what they're trying to use, that she was a Hamas supporter, even though she didn't mention Hamas at all in her op-ed.

00:47:53.000 Right, right.

00:47:53.000 They've been saying that these people are aligned with Hamas.

00:47:56.000 I think that's ridiculous.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, they're just jumping to any conclusion. 0.96

00:47:59.000 You're critical of Israel.

00:48:00.000 Say they're critical of Israel.

00:48:01.000 They keep saying anti-Semitism.

00:48:02.000 No, you're critical of Israel.

00:48:04.000 So I understand what you're saying about selective enforcement.

00:48:06.000 I still just...

00:48:08.000 You just have an issue overall with people, whether it's anti-Semitism or whatever.

00:48:11.000 Your thing is you just don't like them coming in and being able to say whatever they want to say as guests.

00:48:15.000 Well, it makes me think of the Japanese internment cancer in World War II.

00:48:18.000 Let's clarify this.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, sure.

00:48:22.000 There are certain things you don't do as a guest.

00:48:25.000 Right?

00:48:26.000 So if I lived in a house with a bunch of roommates and we were arguing over the dishes and who was supposed to be doing them, well, we all live here.

00:48:31.000 We all pitch in.

00:48:32.000 We're all paying rent.

00:48:33.000 It's our problem to deal with.

00:48:34.000 If some dude showed up and then every day, like, he's now sleeping on the couch.

00:48:39.000 I don't know.

00:48:40.000 We let him crash here.

00:48:41.000 And now he's causing problems.

00:48:43.000 He's basically yelling about what he...

00:48:46.000 He's getting involved in the debate and the argument and I'm like, dude, leave.

00:48:51.000 Like...

00:48:51.000 You're a guest in this place.

00:48:52.000 We can deport whoever we want. 0.98

00:48:54.000 I believe that we should be focused on American interests, not Ukraine's interests, not Afghanistan, not Israel, not Sudan, not Taiwan, not Pakistan or India, not Tibet, whatever.

00:49:08.000 We should secure our borders. 0.92

00:49:09.000 We have to deal with this population crisis that we got.

00:49:12.000 That means we need Americans to start focusing on American tradition, rebuilding our culture.

00:49:16.000 And so if people come here...

00:49:18.000 But what's more American than free speech, Tim?

00:49:19.000 That's my only pushback to that, where I see your perspective, but like what the rule that our guest is violating is the rule that the House is built upon, which is freedom of speech.

00:49:29.000 It was our First Amendment.

00:49:30.000 So my thing is, though I understand your perspective, I think her –

00:49:41.000 There are rules in this country for people who are here.

00:49:43.000 We extend certain rights in certain circumstances, and there are different rules for people who are guessing on visas, such as due process for an American citizen involves a jury trial.

00:49:53.000 Due process for a non-citizen does not often involve a jury trial.

00:49:58.000 We don't go, hold on, hold on.

00:50:00.000 The right to a speedy trial is in the Constitution.

00:50:03.000 It is the bedrock of what it means to be American.

00:50:06.000 Okay, then we're going to give every illegal immigrant a jury job. 1.00

00:50:08.000 No, we're not going to do that.

00:50:09.000 If you are here to, like, I'll just put it this way, okay?

00:50:12.000 I don't want to be funding Israel. 0.94

00:50:13.000 I don't want to be involved in that conflict.

00:50:15.000 I don't want to be involved in Ukraine.

00:50:17.000 My issue is, someone showed up to my house and started yelling at me about what I should be doing, and I said, get out of my house.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, I think, but here's the thing.

00:50:25.000 They're not even complaining about your house.

00:50:26.000 They're complaining about your neighbor who you're friends with.

00:50:28.000 And that's my problem.

00:50:29.000 Like, that's what Israel, like, to just make it more analogous.

00:50:31.000 They're complaining about what we're doing with an ally.

00:50:33.000 And it's not their business.

00:50:35.000 And the problem is, if we don't set a precedent on that, then any time we have an adversary, there are people in the United States who are Iranian. 0.99

00:50:42.000 But this is a slippery slope that can lead us to problems in the future, though.

00:50:45.000 We let Iranians come into this country, and imagine, you see what happens in Europe, okay? 0.72

00:50:50.000 Remember when all the Turks started rising up throughout Europe with the Turkish flags, and Erdogan said, I'm going to unleash a flood on your countries unless you do what I want?

00:51:01.000 This is the problem with allowing foreign ideologies to come in and get entrenched in your country. 1.00

00:51:06.000 So we can all talk about the glories of the Constitution, and I'm going to say, great.

00:51:11.000 So we can flush ourselves down the toilet as foreign adversaries and interests that are opposed to ours come in and start changing the shape of our country in ways we don't like.

00:51:21.000 And now, what do we have?

00:51:22.000 With all due respect to Ro Khanna, I think he's a good dude.

00:51:25.000 I think he's wrong.

00:51:26.000 I believe that he's morally correct of his own worldview to fight for what he's fighting for as it pertains to immigration.

00:51:31.000 Why?

00:51:33.000 He is the children of immigrants.

00:51:34.000 I believe he's an American citizen.

00:51:36.000 I believe he was born here.

00:51:36.000 I grew with China immigration.

00:51:37.000 But let me tell you about Ro Khanna.

00:51:40.000 Ro Khanna, I believe his parents were immigrants and he was born here.

00:51:44.000 He's a very nice guy.

00:51:45.000 He's reasonable.

00:51:46.000 He tries to communicate and I can respect that.

00:51:48.000 But because of where he comes from...

00:51:50.000 His moral worldview is antithetical to the American moral tradition.

00:51:54.000 I'm not saying he's a bad person.

00:51:56.000 I'm not saying that he's, you know, doing anything criminal.

00:51:59.000 I'm saying his moral worldview is correct based upon where he comes from.

00:52:02.000 He says, my parents were immigrants.

00:52:04.000 My parents fought hard to come to this country.

00:52:06.000 I understand what they want and why they want it.

00:52:10.000 I'm going to fight for those values.

00:52:12.000 Well, I was born in America with multiple generations going back hundreds of years, save my grandmother who came from Korea.

00:52:19.000 I have all of these family members coming hundreds of years who fought in a revolutionary war, who fought in a civil war, and whose moral traditions have landed with me.

00:52:28.000 And so what I say is, I understand, Ro, why you want to fight for illegal immigrants, but you came to this country, your parents came here, and you are now a citizen.

00:52:39.000 You have access to everything we offer you because we are nice, we are good people.

00:52:43.000 But when you start advocating for non-citizens, people not from this country, This creates two worldviews that are at odds with each other, and there's no off-ramp. 0.96

00:52:54.000 People in this country who are saying, if you're not a citizen, so what?

00:52:57.000 You can live here.

00:52:58.000 And what ends up happening?

00:52:59.000 You get, whatever it wants to say about the Haitians, you get reports from the locals that they were eating cats.

00:53:05.000 Is it wrong to eat cats?

00:53:06.000 Well, people in America don't take kindly to that, but in Haiti, they do eat cats. 0.98

00:53:10.000 You see, there's a cultural clash.

00:53:11.000 In Dearborn, Michigan, you get reports of female genital mutilation.

00:53:14.000 Well, a lot of people don't take kindly to that.

00:53:17.000 You get, in the Somali community in Minnesota, similar stories.

00:53:21.000 So the people who are born and bred and raised in America, who are sitting beneath trees their ancestors planted, our focus on what we are going to build for this country is rooted in a long-standing American tradition.

00:53:34.000 We all know the lesson of the Native Americans. 0.98

00:53:35.000 The left can bring up all they want.

00:53:37.000 We get it.

00:53:37.000 Colonization destroys civilizations and communities and all that stuff.

00:53:41.000 We don't want that to happen to us.

00:53:42.000 The simple version is this.

00:53:44.000 If we prioritize the speech rights of non-citizens and people who are guests in this country, if we prioritize the rights of illegal immigrants... 0.99

00:53:53.000 This country will evaporate.

00:53:55.000 I don't think you need to prioritize their rights.

00:53:57.000 You just got to protect them.

00:53:58.000 I agree with you on that, Tim.

00:54:00.000 But my thing is, she's legally here.

00:54:02.000 She's making speech, not even against America, rather Israel.

00:54:04.000 And she's being deported for that.

00:54:06.000 I get it.

00:54:07.000 She's threatening our trade routes in the Middle East. 0.97

00:54:10.000 Are you going to say something?

00:54:11.000 Look, we don't protect all rights for foreign people that are here.

00:54:15.000 You can't buy a gun.

00:54:17.000 If you're not an American citizen.

00:54:19.000 So the idea that we protect all rights and the Supreme Court is a green card holder. 0.80

00:54:23.000 Supreme Court has said that the Second Amendment is not a second class.

00:54:27.000 I was going to say this.

00:54:29.000 I'm sorry to interrupt you, but it's a super chat from this dude, Blackest Panther, saying, Tim, you're logically inconsistent.

00:54:36.000 Why are you more likely to be deported for burning an Israeli flag than an American flag? 0.94

00:54:40.000 Yo, I don't care about your retarded obsession with Israel. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Shut up, you Israel-obsessed morons. 1.00

00:54:47.000 It's about the trade routes. 1.00

00:54:48.000 I don't care.

00:54:49.000 Stop.

00:54:49.000 I don't care if it's Ukraine.

00:54:51.000 I don't care if it's Israel. 0.99

00:54:51.000 I don't care if it's Afghanistan. 0.99

00:54:52.000 I don't care where you're from.

00:54:54.000 I don't care if you're from Japan. 0.99

00:54:55.000 If you're from Japan, you come to this country and they start protesting and...

00:54:58.000 Declaring that Americans should change our behavior for you?

00:55:01.000 Get...

00:55:02.000 Outs! 0.99

00:55:03.000 And, you know, I gotta be honest.

00:55:05.000 When I hear people defending non-citizens coming in and trying to dictate American governmental policy, they have no right to do this, and then they say, well, but it's because of Israel.

00:55:14.000 Okay, I get it.

00:55:14.000 You're obsessed.

00:55:15.000 Your brain is rotted from your skull because the only thing you think about is Israel. 0.89

00:55:19.000 I care about all the countries that are trying to negatively impact the United States. 0.95

00:55:23.000 We've got to deal with Venezuela sending people from their prisons.

00:55:26.000 Now, I know it's semantic.

00:55:28.000 They're not literally taking people out of prisons, putting them on a bus and saying, go to America.

00:55:35.000 We don't want you.

00:55:36.000 And then when they come here...

00:55:37.000 Donald Trump says, we want to send these Venezuelan gangs and prisoners, you know, former prisoners, cons and criminals back to Venezuela.

00:55:43.000 They say no.

00:55:44.000 So what does he do?

00:55:45.000 He cuts a deal with El Salvador. 0.96

00:55:47.000 These are criminals from Venezuela. 1.00

00:55:48.000 You take them. 0.99

00:55:49.000 We don't want them.

00:55:50.000 The Democrats then say, we're going to keep them here.

00:55:52.000 And then you super chit, but Israel. 0.94

00:55:54.000 This is why our country is being screwed over and mercilessly beaten. 0.69

00:55:59.000 And it's why we're facing these catastrophes that we're facing. 1.00

00:56:03.000 OK, because of the myopic view of so many people, I do these debates and conversations and they're focused on one super stupid. 1.00

00:56:10.000 Let me put it this way. 0.99

00:56:12.000 During Occupy Wall Street, one of the most amazing moments was when some guy stood up during the General Assembly and he screamed out, what is wrong with you people?

00:56:22.000 The only thing we need to focus on is fracking. 0.85

00:56:25.000 It is the center of all of our problems.

00:56:27.000 And I thought, my God, there are people that live in bubbles.

00:56:31.000 They only see one thing.

00:56:32.000 That's the only thing they care about.

00:56:34.000 Me? I got a bubble.

00:56:36.000 I do.

00:56:36.000 It's America.

00:56:37.000 So if it's Venezuela, if it is Ukraine, if it is Russia, Iran, China, Israel, or otherwise, and they're negatively impacting us, I'm going to say, stop.

00:56:46.000 I don't want to be involved in this.

00:56:47.000 We have a system of governance.

00:56:53.000 We have a body politic.

00:56:54.000 The American people, for hundreds of years, have built...

00:56:59.000 And they've planted trees whose shade they know they will not sit beneath.

00:57:03.000 Blood and treasure sacrificed to make the greatest nation this world has ever seen.

00:57:07.000 Over the past 30 years, our border has been porous, our manufacturing base eroded and stripped away, and now Donald Trump is doing what he thinks he can, and I say thinks because we don't know how it's going to play out, whether it be tariffs, securing the border, to try and bring back some semblance of a cohesive nation.

00:57:23.000 I will just say it that way.

00:57:25.000 I don't care if they're anti-Israel.

00:57:27.000 I don't care if they're anti-EU, whatever it is.

00:57:31.000 I don't care if they're pro-gun or anti-gun people from foreign countries that come here as guests that want to get up in our business and dictate what we should do. 1.00

00:57:40.000 I think, and depending on the severity, for sure, get out.

00:57:44.000 And I'm not going to cut a special pass for all the Canadians, each and every one of them, who keep coming to the United States and then running political shows telling us what to do.

00:57:52.000 With all due respect, I'll cut them some slack.

00:57:54.000 Okay?

00:57:55.000 They're our neighbor to the north, they're directly on our border, and we have a shared culture.

00:58:01.000 I understand why they're fleeing Canada, but I will say this as much as many other people have said it.

00:58:05.000 You've got British people like John Oliver, and you've got a lot of Canadians, even conservatives, coming from Canada to the United States and then telling us what to do with our government.

00:58:13.000 And I think there's a problem with it.

00:58:15.000 So if they decide we're going to kick you out, I'm going to be like...

00:58:18.000 Yeah, well, again, I think it's very important because...

00:58:22.000 The only country that has this influence, and I know you say, hey, well, why Israel?

00:58:25.000 Why Israel? 0.84

00:58:26.000 The problem is that Israel has undue influence on our country. 0.94

00:58:28.000 There's no other country where we are literally legislating criticism of them to deport people for criticizing it.

00:58:35.000 Someone can burn an American flag on a college campus and be totally fine, but if they burn an Israeli flag, anti-Semitism, they get deported.

00:58:41.000 So I think that's why people are singling out Israel, because we dictate a lot of our laws based on them, and that's the problem here.

00:58:47.000 I agree.

00:58:48.000 I agree.

00:58:51.000 Okay, fair.

00:58:52.000 But they have undue Okay, so we've got the Middle East. 0.91

00:59:21.000 Israel's our eastern bulwark, our nuclear warhead to protect the Suez. 0.92

00:59:25.000 We've got Egypt in the West. 1.00

00:59:26.000 We've got Saudi Arabia's puppet states. 0.96

00:59:28.000 If people threaten that hegemony and we lose that canal, that's what they're fighting.

00:59:32.000 That's what they're trying to stop.

00:59:34.000 It's similar to why it brought up the Japanese internment camps during the war.

00:59:36.000 When you're in wartime, which we have been in the Ukraine, you take people.

00:59:41.000 I don't know the extent of what they did in the Japanese puppet states.

00:59:44.000 You are correct about the Suez and the Red Sea and the Arabian Sea and all of that stuff, and I don't care. 0.85

00:59:51.000 Go ahead and explain why it's happening.

00:59:53.000 No, no, no.

00:59:53.000 I'm not saying I don't care about what you're saying.

00:59:54.000 I'm saying I don't care about the Suez.

00:59:56.000 I'm saying you are correct.

00:59:57.000 I wonder about that.

00:59:57.000 U.S. interests in this region, why we bomb the Houthis is because we're so concerned about global trade, and this is why we're allied with Egypt.

01:00:07.000 We're dumping billions of dollars in Egypt because we want control. 0.80

01:00:09.000 Jordan, too.

01:00:09.000 To basically pay them all this money.

01:00:12.000 We basically pay all these Arab countries, especially Jordan and Egypt, to play nice with Israel. 0.79

01:00:17.000 And I do think it's important a lot of people say, obsessed with Israel, obsessed with Israel.

01:00:19.000 I think it's not necessarily obsessed with Israel.

01:00:21.000 Rather, we have a foreign country that has an enormous amount of influence and power in our country where we give them certain...

01:00:27.000 We roll out the red carpet for them in certain situations that we wouldn't even roll out for ourselves.

01:00:31.000 And I think that's where people are having issues.

01:00:32.000 My point...

01:00:33.000 That I'm trying to bring up is...

01:00:34.000 And by the way, when it comes to immigration, I agree with you.

01:00:36.000 I'm even further right on that.

01:00:37.000 I think we need to have immigration moratorium. 1.00

01:00:39.000 I think we need to stop letting people in.

01:00:41.000 I think we need to keep America a certain demographic majority. 0.80

01:00:44.000 You know, I'm even further right when it comes to immigration. 0.72

01:00:47.000 But my problem is that when people start to infringe on the First Amendment because of a foreign nation, that's my biggest gripe.

01:00:51.000 The liberal economic...

01:00:52.000 Listen to what Donald Trump talks about.

01:00:54.000 He talks about the Gilded Age.

01:00:55.000 He talks about the end of the 1800s.

01:00:57.000 The liberal economic order was created to police the world.

01:01:02.000 And they still want to, and they're addicted to it.

01:01:05.000 Even people in the Trump admin with these strikes on the Houthi rebels in Yemen.

01:01:08.000 It's an addiction.

01:01:09.000 It is a fear.

01:01:10.000 If we do not intervene, global trade will be negatively impacted, and the global economy can be harmed by Iran, who will gain more power, and the Houthi rebels. 0.99

01:01:20.000 China will get involved.

01:01:22.000 They're already trying to take the lithium deposits in Afghanistan.

01:01:24.000 We can't allow them to do it.

01:01:26.000 We have to be in control.

01:01:26.000 Why?

01:01:27.000 Why do we have to be in control?

01:01:28.000 Now, I'm deeply concerned about unipolar Chinese Communist Party planet. 0.90

01:01:33.000 I don't want that either.

01:01:34.000 But the United States was prosperous and powerful before World War II.

01:01:39.000 There's a reason why the U.S. got involved in World War I and World War II.

01:01:42.000 And you can argue they were bad reasons.

01:01:44.000 The reason for World War I, I think, you know, Trump brought up, like, why were we even involved?

01:01:47.000 Because we have allies.

01:01:48.000 We basically dragged into it to support them.

01:01:50.000 World War II, relatively similar, but Pearl Harbor, we get it.

01:01:53.000 The U.S. was very, very powerful before these wars, before the existence of the liberal economic order.

01:01:58.000 I am confident that if we just backed off and said, we don't care about your canal and your trade, because U.S. trade doesn't go through that area, you deal with it.

01:02:08.000 Somebody would.

01:02:09.000 They got long-range bombers now.

01:02:11.000 So we can't, like, just huddle.

01:02:12.000 Who is they, though?

01:02:13.000 The Russians and the Chinese. 0.97

01:02:14.000 So what?

01:02:14.000 And the Indians and the Americans and the Israelis.

01:02:16.000 So if you just huddle and play isolationist now, they can eat you from orbit.

01:02:20.000 No one is saying isolationist.

01:02:22.000 That's an excuse.

01:02:23.000 What I'm saying is we don't need to be the world police.

01:02:27.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

01:02:28.000 I think that's a big problem.

01:02:29.000 That's a big issue.

01:02:30.000 But see, here's the problem.

01:02:32.000 Israel has forced us to almost be the world police because now we have to be involved in all these Middle Eastern affairs because of Israel to allow them to maintain their support. 0.57

01:02:39.000 It's not because of Israel's getting used.

01:02:40.000 It's because of Egypt. 0.95

01:02:41.000 It's because of the liberal economic order.

01:02:42.000 Israel's part of it, but it's this order of nations.

01:02:44.000 It's the British Empire.

01:02:45.000 It's all these things, the Commonwealth, whatever you want to call it, the transition of the British Empire to this new organism.

01:02:50.000 It's a technocratic, militaristic hegemony, basically.

01:02:55.000 We would not have been in all the foreign wars in the Middle East had it not been for Israel. 0.99

01:02:59.000 That's a gross over-exaggeration.

01:03:02.000 You don't agree?

01:03:02.000 No, I think you hyper-focus on just Israel, ignoring all the other factors.

01:03:09.000 I think it's fair to say that Israel is a very strong factor in our involvement in the Middle East.

01:03:12.000 There's always going to be other factors, but they're by far the most prominent and the biggest reason why we've had the war. 0.96

01:03:17.000 You think Saudi Arabia is?

01:03:18.000 Yeah, because of their control of the flow of oil.

01:03:19.000 If Saudi Arabia dumps oil into the market, they destroy our economy.

01:03:22.000 So the U.S. basically goes there and sucks the feet of the Saudi princes, saying, please don't flood the market with oil.

01:03:28.000 Israel doesn't do that. 0.57

01:03:29.000 Israel begs us for money, and then we give to them to build weapons. 0.89

01:03:33.000 If Saudi Arabia and the OPEC nations could destroy the petrodollar overnight, and so Trump and all these presidents are constantly going there and saying, please, love of God, don't ruin our hegemony.

01:03:43.000 I think every war, like the Iraq War was for Israel, us going into Afghanistan.

01:03:48.000 The entire war on terror was basically waged, and only Israel benefited from it. 0.52

01:03:52.000 I don't think Saudi Arabia benefited nearly as much.

01:03:55.000 From the Iraq War?

01:03:55.000 From the Iraq War.

01:03:56.000 Israel benefited from the Iraq War.

01:03:58.000 The Iraq War and the Afghan War are for, there's obviously a bunch of reasons. 0.62

01:04:03.000 Sure.

01:04:03.000 The principal reason is, we're surrounding Iran.

01:04:06.000 But our involvement, our desire, I say our because it's not mine, but the U.S.'s desire to go to war with Iran is not because of Israel.

01:04:13.000 100%.

01:04:13.000 It's one of the main reasons.

01:04:15.000 Israel wants us to go to war with Iran for sure, but U.S. interest in going to war with Iran coincides with that. 0.57

01:04:21.000 What benefit do we get from going to war with Iran? 0.95

01:04:23.000 We want all this U.S. Total control of the trade route.

01:04:27.000 Iran is a threat in the region, and we want full control of oil in the region, and we want to appease the Saudis who control... 1.00

01:04:36.000 Saudi Arabia is a major reason why we have the posture towards Iran that we do. 1.00

01:04:41.000 No, it's mostly Israel.

01:04:43.000 Iran and Saudi Arabia, yes, they've had problems, of course.

01:04:46.000 Well, it's the Shia and the Sunni stuff. 0.97

01:04:49.000 It's the Shia and the Sunni beat. 0.82

01:04:51.000 Yeah, but that is not as much of the reason.

01:04:54.000 Israel is by far the biggest enemy to Iran.

01:04:57.000 Because Iran is the only country in the Middle East. 0.99

01:04:59.000 Why is the U.S. engaged in hostilities with Iran because of Israel?

01:05:03.000 Why?

01:05:04.000 Because Iran is the only country that challenges Israel's hegemony in the Middle East because they have the ability.

01:05:09.000 Okay, now you've got to pause because that's circular.

01:05:11.000 What you're saying is Israel is the reason why we're involved with Iran because Iran is a threat to Israel. 0.94

01:05:17.000 That doesn't explain why Israel is dictating U.S. be involved with Iran.

01:05:21.000 You're just saying that Israel is threatened by Iran.

01:05:23.000 We get this.

01:05:24.000 Yes, yes.

01:05:24.000 And now met with Trump and he said we want to do joint strikes and Trump said no.

01:05:29.000 Yes, because he understands that going to war would not benefit us whatsoever.

01:05:32.000 I thought Israel controls our interests. 0.99

01:05:33.000 They absolutely do.

01:05:35.000 They absolutely do.

01:05:36.000 But here's the thing.

01:05:36.000 He's got to obviously weigh it out.

01:05:38.000 Like, okay, they put me in.

01:05:40.000 Right?

01:05:40.000 Because, you know, Mary Madison and all the other, you know, Zionist backers, etc., they put me in.

01:05:45.000 Like, I gotta appease them enough.

01:05:47.000 I'm giving their 2,000-pound bombs.

01:05:48.000 I'm allowing them to continue to wage war in Gaza. 1.00

01:05:50.000 I'm allowing them to kind of go wild all over the Middle East, etc. 0.92

01:05:53.000 But going to war with Iran might not be a good idea because they can actually hurt us economically. 0.58

01:05:57.000 Now, of course, we would win the war with Iran, but Iran has the capability of making life significantly harder. 1.00

01:06:01.000 They can shut down the Strait of Hormuz.

01:06:03.000 They can launch missiles into Saudi Arabia and to the UAE, hurt our allies, destroy these oil locations and these strategic standpoints.

01:06:09.000 Sure.

01:06:13.000 insurgent groups, I forgot their name, and they're launching missiles at Americans.

01:06:17.000 Sure. The Suez is probably one of the largest reasons why.

01:06:22.000 Appeasing the Saudis is a large reason. 1.00

01:06:24.000 The Saudis want the Suez to flow properly because they have a lot of interest in that.

01:06:29.000 Russia sends their fuel through the Black Sea, through the Bosphorus, into the Mediterranean, through the Suez to make it down into the Arabian Sea and into the Indian Ocean.

01:06:37.000 So this canal is a vital interest to all of the global powers.

01:06:40.000 Of course.

01:06:41.000 And this is why he's rethinking war.

01:06:43.000 It is not just because Israel.

01:06:45.000 No, Israel wants the war, and I'm saying a big reason why we have the issues that we have with Iran is because of Israel. 0.96

01:06:51.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:06:51.000 Saudi Arabia plays a part, but I would argue that Israel plays a more significant part because they've been trying to topple them and get rid of their nuclear program for decades.

01:06:58.000 They've done false flags.

01:07:00.000 They've done a bunch of stuff to try to get us into war.

01:07:02.000 Luckily, it hasn't worked, but Israel is one of the biggest reasons why we have the posture that we have with Iran. 0.99

01:07:07.000 I think it's more of a modern thing.

01:07:08.000 And the reason why we're not getting into war was what I explained before, where it would economically hurt us a lot.

01:07:12.000 I do want to jump to the next story.

01:07:14.000 I understand the point you're making.

01:07:16.000 Sure.

01:07:16.000 And I think we're largely saying, like, which geopolitical factor is playing a more significant role?

01:07:21.000 Sure.

01:07:21.000 What time period do you start?

01:07:23.000 Because the British mandate for Palestine...

01:07:25.000 Okay, yes, Ian, I get it.

01:07:25.000 We're moving on.

01:07:25.000 Okay, I'm trying to wrap up the segment because we're talking in circles about foreign war and policy, okay?

01:07:31.000 We can move on to the next topic.

01:07:32.000 I'm trying to respectfully say, I get what you're saying.

01:07:33.000 No, no.

01:07:34.000 We don't have to agree to disagree.

01:07:35.000 We can agree to disagree.

01:07:36.000 Let's just jump to the next story.

01:07:37.000 Totally cool.

01:07:37.000 I think the people enjoy the conversation.

01:07:39.000 That's what matters.

01:07:39.000 Right, right, right.

01:07:40.000 I completely agree.

01:07:41.000 People love it.

01:07:42.000 But we've been on for like 30 minutes on one subject.

01:07:45.000 Let's move to the next thing, dude.

01:07:45.000 Yeah, we can move on, brother.

01:07:46.000 So we'll jump on to this next one.

01:07:47.000 And we'll maybe talk a little bit.

01:07:49.000 I don't want to just keep going.

01:07:50.000 Yeah, because there's an uncensored part too, right?

01:07:51.000 A call-in part on this?

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:52.000 Whatever.

01:07:53.000 Let's go to this story from the New York Times.

01:07:55.000 Trump would not concede MS-13 letters were digitally added.

01:07:59.000 The White House declined to explain why Trump did not appear to realize the photograph he held up on social media had been altered.

01:08:04.000 This is...

01:08:05.000 Oh, they don't show the video.

01:08:07.000 I'm really...

01:08:08.000 I'm actually surprised by this.

01:08:10.000 That's interesting.

01:08:11.000 It's on my Twitter page if you want it.

01:08:13.000 It's not showing the video where Trump is debating.

01:08:15.000 I believe the guy's name was Terry Moran.

01:08:17.000 And Trump appears to genuinely believe that the letters MS and the numbers 1 and 3 are tattooed on his hand.

01:08:24.000 Terry Moran is arguing it's symbolic.

01:08:27.000 Here's what the story is fascinating.

01:08:28.000 And I'll pull it up in a second.

01:08:29.000 I thought the New York Times would have had the video.

01:08:31.000 I can't say I'm surprised they're not showing it because then you'd realize there's some nuance to this.

01:08:37.000 Now that Trump appears to genuinely believe that photo he held up has MS-13 was actually part of the tattoo.

01:08:43.000 And maybe he didn't.

01:08:44.000 I don't know.

01:08:45.000 I think Trump thought that.

01:08:47.000 All of a sudden, the liberals who argued that Trump was showing an altered tattoo.

01:08:53.000 They're now all of a sudden realizing, just as if they knew the whole time, that it was actually just a key representing the symbols.

01:09:02.000 Terry Moran said, those symbols were on the picture to show what the tattoos represent, basically.

01:09:09.000 And Trump's like, no, no, no, no, what do you mean, interpretable?

01:09:11.000 No, no, MS-13.

01:09:13.000 The liberals argued when Trump held that up, he was intentionally showing tattoos that were fake, despite the fact it was an obvious paintbrush, not even a Photoshop.

01:09:21.000 Now, they're acting like they knew the whole time.

01:09:24.000 That's what Trump was trying to do.

01:09:25.000 But Trump believed it.

01:09:27.000 Ha ha! 1.00

01:09:28.000 That's the hypocrisy of these people. 1.00

01:09:30.000 That's the idiocy. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Or the hypocrisy. 1.00

01:09:33.000 They know they're lying. 0.52

01:09:34.000 But you tweeted out the video, you said?

01:09:35.000 Yeah, I tweeted out the video and the picture in reference where Trump's holding up a picture of the guy's hand.

01:09:40.000 And it shows the four symbols, like the skull, the marijuana leaf.

01:09:43.000 And then up above, you can tell there's a...

01:09:46.000 Like a superimposed MS-13 on his knuckles that obviously aren't tattooed on his knuckles.

01:09:51.000 Let me play the video for you guys.

01:09:53.000 I got it.

01:09:54.000 They looked, and on his knuckles, he had MS-13.

01:09:57.000 There's a dispute over that.

01:09:58.000 Wait a minute.

01:09:59.000 Wait a minute.

01:10:00.000 He had MS-13 on his knuckles.

01:10:03.000 He had some tattoos that are interpreted that way, but let's move on.

01:10:06.000 Wait a minute.

01:10:06.000 Hey, Terry, Terry, Terry.

01:10:08.000 He did not have the letter MS-13.

01:10:10.000 It says MS-13.

01:10:12.000 That was Photoshopped.

01:10:13.000 That was Photoshopped.

01:10:15.000 Terry, you can't do that.

01:10:16.000 Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.

01:10:18.000 You know, you're doing the interview.

01:10:20.000 I picked you because, frankly, I never heard of you, but that's okay.

01:10:23.000 I picked you, Terry, but you're not being very nice.

01:10:26.000 He had MS-13 tattooed.

01:10:28.000 We'll agree to disagree.

01:10:29.000 I want to move on to something else.

01:10:30.000 Terry, do you want me to show you the picture?

01:10:33.000 I saw the picture.

01:10:34.000 Oh, and you think it was photoshopped?

01:10:36.000 Here we go.

01:10:37.000 Here we go.

01:10:37.000 Don't photoshop it.

01:10:38.000 Go look at his hand.

01:10:39.000 He had MS-13.

01:10:39.000 He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way.

01:10:42.000 I'm not an expert on them.

01:10:43.000 I want to turn to Ukraine, sir.

01:10:44.000 I want to get to Ukraine.

01:10:45.000 No, no.

01:10:46.000 No, no.

01:10:47.000 He had MS, as clear as you can be, not interpreted.

01:10:51.000 This is why people no longer believe the news, because it's fake news.

01:10:56.000 When he was photographed in El Salvador, they aren't there.

01:10:58.000 But let's just go on.

01:10:59.000 They aren't there when he's in El Salvador.

01:11:02.000 Take a look at the photograph.

01:11:03.000 They're there now, right?

01:11:04.000 No.

01:11:04.000 They're in your picture.

01:11:05.000 Terry.

01:11:06.000 Ukraine, sir.

01:11:06.000 He's got MS-13 on his knuckles.

01:11:09.000 All right.

01:11:10.000 Okay?

01:11:10.000 We'll take a look at that.

01:11:11.000 You do such a disservice.

01:11:13.000 We'll take a look at that, sir.

01:11:14.000 Why don't you just say it?

01:11:15.000 Yes, he does.

01:11:16.000 We're doing these adversarial interviews.

01:11:18.000 No, this is great chemistry.

01:11:20.000 The Democrats never do, like they never, Kamala didn't even touch until the end of the campaign, Fox, I think, who'd she do? 1.00

01:11:25.000 Someone at Fox, I forget.

01:11:26.000 I gotta throw shade at Terry Moran.

01:11:29.000 He keeps trying to cut Trump off as part of the problem.

01:11:32.000 I personally believe Trump did not understand that the paper he was given was showing a legend saying...

01:11:41.000 The marijuana leaf means M. You can pull it up, too.

01:11:43.000 It's on the same post on my Twitter page.

01:11:45.000 I posted a picture as the first comment below the video.

01:11:49.000 And that's what gang culture is a lot of times.

01:11:51.000 This is with every gang.

01:11:52.000 Bloods, Crips, etc.

01:11:54.000 Here's what I think happened.

01:11:56.000 I think somebody in the administration took this image of his tattoos.

01:12:00.000 Obrego Garcia's marijuana smiley cross and skull.

01:12:03.000 They clearly used paintbrush, not Photoshop.

01:12:06.000 It looks like paintbrushed, if you ask me.

01:12:09.000 And then put the MS, the 1-3, showing that's what it represents.

01:12:12.000 I think they went to Trump and said, these were the tattoos that he had, and Trump misunderstood, wasn't paying attention, and now genuinely believes that.

01:12:22.000 Trump is wrong, and it is a gaffe.

01:12:25.000 It's a mistake.

01:12:26.000 No, he shouldn't apologize to Terry Moran.

01:12:29.000 Terry Moran, in my opinion, is the one who handled this poorly as the interviewer.

01:12:33.000 Donald Trump said, do you want me to show you the photo?

01:12:36.000 He should have said, yes, let's clear this up, because I don't want people to think I'm treating you unfairly, and it's best we get to the truth on this one.

01:12:43.000 It's a good opportunity for Trump to apologize to this guy publicly, because first of all, they have great chemistry, they should do more interviews together.

01:12:49.000 But if he apologizes, because firstly, the thing about Trump that's great is that he's real.

01:12:53.000 If he makes a mistake, he admits it, at least from what I know, maybe not every time, but when he does it, people love him more.

01:12:59.000 And if he grabs some humility in this, he's like, I made a mistake.

01:13:02.000 And I'm sorry about that.

01:13:04.000 Here's what may happen.

01:13:05.000 You should clarify.

01:13:05.000 Because a lot of people don't understand that gangs often do this where they use symbols to not make it obvious that they're a member of a gang because they don't want to be identified by the gang units in these jails, etc.

01:13:15.000 You know, it's very common.

01:13:16.000 All gangs do this.

01:13:18.000 Trump may argue he was speaking figuratively.

01:13:21.000 I don't believe that.

01:13:23.000 I think Trump genuinely thought the MS-13 was actually on the hand.

01:13:27.000 But I would not be surprised because there's going to be a lot of diehard Trumpers.

01:13:31.000 Who are arguing Trump doesn't mean, he doesn't speak literally.

01:13:36.000 Like, this has been a common thing.

01:13:37.000 You know, the media takes him literally on everything.

01:13:40.000 Trump is saying, clear as day, the marijuana means S. What are you talking about?

01:13:44.000 It's clearly on his hand.

01:13:45.000 And the reporter is saying, no, it wasn't.

01:13:47.000 It's interpretable.

01:13:48.000 And Trump could be construed as arguing.

01:13:51.000 Interpretable, the marijuana, the smiley, the cross, and the skull is clearly MS-13.

01:13:55.000 But I don't believe that.

01:13:56.000 He's like, literally, there's an M, an S, a 1, and a 3. Literally.

01:14:00.000 Terry, listen.

01:14:01.000 There's an M on his finger.

01:14:03.000 He's like, blatant.

01:14:04.000 Because what Trump should have done was clarify that, look, it doesn't literally mean MS-13.

01:14:08.000 It means these are the symbols, and let me explain to you why, so the American public will get it. 1.00

01:14:12.000 But obviously, the Democrats are trying to say, look, he's so stupid. 0.98

01:14:14.000 They put Photoshop, and he thinks it's MS-13. 1.00

01:14:16.000 Well, but no, but I think Trump genuinely thinks.

01:14:19.000 The M and the, like, the literal letters are on his hand.

01:14:21.000 Oh, okay.

01:14:22.000 You think that he actually, like, doesn't understand the symbology?

01:14:25.000 Yeah.

01:14:25.000 He might now, but when he did this interview, he did it.

01:14:27.000 Symbolism, sorry.

01:14:28.000 Boondock Saints reference.

01:14:28.000 Yeah, symbolism.

01:14:30.000 Symbolism.

01:14:30.000 What I think happened is, Trump's a busy guy.

01:14:33.000 He doesn't pay attention to the minutiae.

01:14:35.000 Yeah.

01:14:35.000 When the Abrego Garcia story was happening, someone in his administration, probably an intern or an aide, made this Photoshop showing what the marijuana smiley, the crossing skull, meant.

01:14:45.000 Handed it to Trump and said, can we get a picture of this so you can show the gang tattoos?

01:14:48.000 Trump looks at it briefly and goes, wow, MS-13, and walks away.

01:14:52.000 He then sits down, and this is, I will say it, no problem. 1.00

01:14:57.000 This is a stupid gaffe on the part of the president, but I understand he's a busy guy. 0.99

01:15:01.000 And he's old, too. 1.00

01:15:02.000 That's another thing that's important.

01:15:03.000 These older guys, they don't know the difference between photos.

01:15:06.000 They can barely turn on a computer or use a computer.

01:15:08.000 Oh, dude, if you want to talk about cognitive, quality cognitive, if you're going to make fun of Joe Biden, you cannot let this guy slide on this.

01:15:15.000 This is not an issue of cognition.

01:15:17.000 If he's going to pretend like he didn't know, that is, like, demented.

01:15:20.000 I think you should clarify. 1.00

01:15:21.000 That's stupid. 0.99

01:15:21.000 Well, I'm just saying, call out humans for cognitive, you know, mistakes, regardless of who they are. 0.99

01:15:27.000 Let me ask you something.

01:15:27.000 Do you know what I say whenever anyone asks me about anything at this company?

01:15:33.000 I don't know.

01:15:35.000 No, no, that's close.

01:15:36.000 That is one of them.

01:15:38.000 Okay, anybody in the room right now?

01:15:41.000 When someone says, like, hey, Tim, I need to get a new microphone, what's my response?

01:15:48.000 I spent a long time talking to you.

01:15:51.000 You delegate the authority to whoever it is.

01:15:52.000 To who?

01:15:53.000 Allison.

01:15:54.000 So what do I say?

01:15:56.000 See what Allison thinks?

01:15:57.000 Ask Allison. 0.86

01:15:57.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.86

01:15:58.000 And then I got 90 emails screwed up.

01:16:00.000 Oh, God, sorry, Allison.

01:16:02.000 So when someone comes to me and they're like, hey, we ordered those speakers.

01:16:07.000 Do you know if they came?

01:16:08.000 I go, huh?

01:16:10.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:16:12.000 Well, the thing is, because it's so high-profile, I would say this is a low-level thing, but because it's such a high-profile case, I think people would have expected that he knew exactly what he was looking at.

01:16:22.000 Here's my issue.

01:16:23.000 If you want to mock Trump because he thought that crude paintbrush was real, please do so.

01:16:31.000 Donald Trump, this is a gaffe.

01:16:33.000 There is no reality where Trump is going to be gaffe-free.

01:16:36.000 He's a human being.

01:16:37.000 He tweeted, Everybody knows.

01:16:39.000 He sausageed fingers Twitter.

01:16:42.000 It's funny.

01:16:43.000 Trump made a mistake.

01:16:44.000 Okay?

01:16:45.000 Mock him for his mistake.

01:16:46.000 It's fine.

01:16:47.000 What my issue is, when Trump initially held up that photo, we all knew what he was doing.

01:16:53.000 And liberals were arguing that was a real tattoo.

01:16:57.000 Let me try and say this one more time.

01:16:59.000 In that photo, what did I just pull?

01:17:01.000 I pulled that.

01:17:02.000 You had the image.

01:17:03.000 I think I pulled up.

01:17:04.000 When Trump held this image up right here, All of the media argued that this crude Times New Roman was a literal tattoo on his hand.

01:17:13.000 Maybe he read that in the news.

01:17:14.000 Trump had photoshopped it.

01:17:16.000 They said, Trump posts altered image.

01:17:19.000 I guarantee Donald Trump does not use photoshop.

01:17:21.000 Now that Trump made this gaffe, all the liberals came out of the woodwork and they were like, ha ha, we knew the whole time that it wasn't a real tattoo.

01:17:28.000 So I think, let him laugh, and that's why Trump, if he acknowledges it, owns the mistake and apologizes.

01:17:34.000 Laugh as much as you want.

01:17:35.000 He's the bigger man.

01:17:36.000 That's a huge talent.

01:17:37.000 He doesn't need to apologize.

01:17:39.000 He doesn't need to, but he's going to look like a great guy if he does.

01:17:41.000 Well, I do think there's also a reality where Trump says something later on.

01:17:46.000 Like, look, Trump was asked by Goldberg about whether he's going to run for a third term.

01:17:50.000 He said no.

01:17:51.000 He was like, look, I know a lot of people, they chant three and they chant a third, but it's not something we're actually going to do.

01:17:56.000 And he was like, we're just, you know, he's like, it's a goof, basically.

01:17:59.000 They're like throwing people off the scent.

01:18:01.000 They're doing so much.

01:18:02.000 No, I mean, Trump did the Trump 2028 because it's funny and he knows people are going to buy it. 0.94

01:18:05.000 It's a troll.

01:18:06.000 When Trump was legitimately asked by Goldberg and the Atlantic journalists, he said, no, no, very calmly said, we're not doing that.

01:18:14.000 You know, we're not going to look at it.

01:18:15.000 He's like, you know, maybe I'd like to, but it's very hard, so I don't think it's going to happen.

01:18:18.000 It's not something we're pursuing.

01:18:19.000 We're not looking into it at all.

01:18:20.000 In this regard, the issue is Trump made a mistake.

01:18:24.000 Terry Moran, as a journalist, decided to be adversarial and argue with him instead of saying, this is an opportunity for us to get to the truth.

01:18:30.000 Why don't you pull up that photo right now and let's take a look?

01:18:32.000 Then he would have looked at it and said, Mr. President, do you believe that M was actually on his hand?

01:18:38.000 And Trump would have said, yes.

01:18:40.000 And then he would have said, can we get someone from here?

01:18:43.000 This is an image that was created to represent what those symbols mean.

01:18:48.000 That would have been tremendous for all of us.

01:18:49.000 That would have been tremendous.

01:18:50.000 For the ratings and for everything.

01:18:52.000 So, Trump made a mistake.

01:18:53.000 He can own that.

01:18:54.000 I got no problem saying it.

01:18:56.000 Trump's made a lot of mistakes.

01:18:57.000 Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.

01:18:59.000 A much worse mistake.

01:19:01.000 But the journalist is real.

01:19:03.000 I don't think he'll admit it, though.

01:19:04.000 Trump is very proud.

01:19:05.000 I don't think he'll admit it.

01:19:05.000 He's just going to let it kind of continue on.

01:19:08.000 Trump sometimes makes fun of himself a lot.

01:19:10.000 Yeah.

01:19:10.000 I don't know, man.

01:19:11.000 About this, I don't know if he'll say, oh, it was a mistake.

01:19:14.000 Hold on.

01:19:14.000 Here's another reality.

01:19:16.000 Another reality is Trump is intentionally lying.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, that was something people said that.

01:19:21.000 They're like, he's playing 9D chess.

01:19:22.000 I'm like, I don't know.

01:19:23.000 He said it like five times in the interview.

01:19:26.000 Look, I guarantee you, Democrats are like, haha, Trump thought it was real.

01:19:29.000 I'll say, no, he knew it was fake.

01:19:31.000 He's lying to you.

01:19:32.000 What are they going to say?

01:19:33.000 No, he's not.

01:19:33.000 He's telling the truth.

01:19:34.000 Oh, he's telling the truth.

01:19:35.000 I believe, my personal opinion is Trump genuinely made a mistake.

01:19:40.000 He thought that photo was real.

01:19:42.000 It's okay.

01:19:43.000 People make mistakes. 0.99

01:19:43.000 It's a stupid mistake to make, but whatever. 0.99

01:19:45.000 However, there is a possibility. 1.00

01:19:47.000 Trump is saying this because he knows there's a lot of people who aren't going to check.

01:19:51.000 And then he says, this is why people don't trust you anymore.

01:19:53.000 And there are going to be a lot of Trump supporters who are like, yep, he literally had MS-13 in his hand and the journalist lied.

01:19:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it's which is why I think that he might not.

01:20:03.000 I think he should come out and clarify, say, hey, look, this was a mistake.

01:20:05.000 It was symbolism.

01:20:07.000 But I don't think he will.

01:20:07.000 He's just going to kind of let it die down and move on.

01:20:09.000 By the way, there was at least three amazing clips from this interview.

01:20:13.000 He's going to feel like I don't need to clarify this.

01:20:15.000 Yo, this interview was amazing.

01:20:16.000 Can we pull up the more fun stuff?

01:20:18.000 Again, I give him credit for doing these adversarial interviews because, you know, the Democrats don't do this.

01:20:24.000 Here we go.

01:20:24.000 From Deadline.

01:20:25.000 Biden on Fox?

01:20:26.000 Never.

01:20:26.000 Let's grab the story.

01:20:27.000 We got this from Deadline.

01:20:28.000 Frankly, I never heard of you.

01:20:30.000 A testy Donald Trump tussles with Terry Moran during contentious ABC News interview.

01:20:34.000 That was great.

01:20:35.000 But then we have this.

01:20:37.000 Listen to this.

01:20:38.000 This is gold.

01:20:39.000 Do you think the reputation of the United States has gone down?

01:20:44.000 No, I think it's gone way up, and I think we're a respected country.

01:20:47.000 Again, we were left at all over the world.

01:20:50.000 We had a president that couldn't walk up a flight of stairs, couldn't walk down a flight of stairs, couldn't walk across the stage without falling. 0.96

01:20:57.000 We had a president that was grossly incompetent.

01:21:00.000 You knew it, I knew it, and everybody knew it, but you guys didn't want to write it because you're fake news.

01:21:05.000 All right.

01:21:06.000 Thank you.

01:21:06.000 And by the way, ABC is one of the best part.

01:21:08.000 Listen to what Terry Moran says.

01:21:10.000 All right.

01:21:11.000 I knew it, but you guys didn't want to write it because you're fake news.

01:21:14.000 All right.

01:21:15.000 Thank you.

01:21:16.000 And by the way, ABC is one of the...

01:21:17.000 He thanked him?

01:21:18.000 Yeah.

01:21:18.000 He said, thank you.

01:21:19.000 You know, that's the only reason he gave this interview. 1.00

01:21:22.000 Now that I think about it, he doesn't want to tell them to their face, you guys are fake news and you guys suck. 0.99

01:21:26.000 That's the only reason he did this interview. 1.00

01:21:28.000 Terry Moran said, all right.

01:21:30.000 Thank you.

01:21:30.000 Yeah.

01:21:31.000 Jeez, bro.

01:21:32.000 He was like, I hate ABC.

01:21:33.000 Let me get the guy that I'll have the least problems with just so I can say that you guys are fake news.

01:21:37.000 You can tell. 0.99

01:21:38.000 Anytime he gets a chance to make fun of Biden, which is hilarious, by the way, he takes it and then he wanted to tell ABC that they suck to their face. 0.99

01:21:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:21:45.000 And he should have. 0.98

01:21:46.000 That's the only reason he did it.

01:21:46.000 It was the right thing for Donald Trump to do.

01:21:49.000 The media has been, look, derelict in their duty for, they were derelict in their duty for four years.

01:21:55.000 They covered for Joe Biden when he was incapable of doing his job.

01:22:00.000 You know, it's crazy because, you know, prior to Trump coming into office, like, politics wasn't this interesting and fun and funny.

01:22:07.000 Like, I remember when, like, okay, before Trump came in, right?

01:22:11.000 If you look at the...

01:22:12.000 Mitt Romney and Barack Obama debate.

01:22:15.000 They were so posh, great decorum, so polite, really didn't insult each other.

01:22:20.000 And then you go fast forward to Trump versus Hillary and then Trump versus Biden, and he's saying, I don't know what he said, or he's saying, lock her up.

01:22:28.000 He completely, as much as people, you can hate or love Trump, which you can, you gotta admit though, is that he revolutionized politics and definitely made it more interesting and entertaining.

01:22:38.000 The biggest zing in the...

01:22:40.000 Obama and Romney debate was when Obama said the 1980s want their foreign policy back because Romney correctly said that Russia was a geopolitical rival.

01:22:53.000 And then the biggest zinger in the Hillary Clinton Trump debate was definitely because you'd be in jail.

01:23:02.000 Yeah, you'd be in jail when you said about the tax breaks.

01:23:04.000 I do want to interject a little bit.

01:23:06.000 You said they were derelict in their duty.

01:23:08.000 They were complicit.

01:23:09.000 Fair enough.

01:23:10.000 Derelict is actually, you know, I understand you were trying to deride them, and I respect that.

01:23:15.000 But derelict is a cover-up.

01:23:17.000 They were complicit, yeah.

01:23:18.000 They were complicit.

01:23:19.000 Totally true.

01:23:20.000 Joe Biden.

01:23:21.000 There's this video.

01:23:21.000 I gotta pull it up again.

01:23:23.000 It's so good.

01:23:24.000 It's so good.

01:23:25.000 How do I find it?

01:23:26.000 Just the way he always makes fun of him.

01:23:29.000 Was that a CPAC you cooked him for like 30 minutes?

01:23:32.000 Like, made fun of Joe Biden?

01:23:33.000 It's just funny, because before...

01:23:36.000 Trump coming into politics, it was like completely a big no-no.

01:23:39.000 So personally insult your political rival like it was frowned upon, right?

01:23:43.000 Even if you hate each other, there was like a certain level of decorum.

01:23:46.000 He completely got rid of that and it's hilarious now.

01:23:49.000 I'm going to play this clip for you guys.

01:23:51.000 We're doing a best of.

01:23:53.000 Here's a best of Joe Biden.

01:23:55.000 You got the vaccination?

01:23:57.000 Yeah.

01:23:57.000 Are you okay?

01:23:59.000 I mean, you seem...

01:24:00.000 No, it works.

01:24:01.000 Or, you know, or the mom and dad, or the neighbor, or when you go to church, or when you're...

01:24:09.000 No, I really mean it.

01:24:11.000 There are trusted interlocutors.

01:24:13.000 Think of the people.

01:24:14.000 If your kid wanted to find out...

01:24:17.000 Whether or not there's a man on the moon or whether those aliens are here or not, who are the people they talk to beyond the kids who love talking about it?

01:24:29.000 You know what's crazy?

01:24:33.000 Speaking of going back in time, if you watch Biden, I think it was against Sarah Palin, back in like 08 or something like that.

01:24:40.000 Completely different guy.

01:24:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:41.000 Completely, you know, sound mind, very good speaker, sharp as hell.

01:24:47.000 Like, when you look at how he used to speak and how he used to be to now, it's like, is this even the same guy?

01:24:52.000 My theory is that Biden's planning on retiring to play poker, and so he's created this public persona of infirmity and ineptitude.

01:24:59.000 We're going to be pushing him all day.

01:25:01.000 He's at the table, and he's like, oh, what do you mean?

01:25:04.000 Hey, sir, you're a king.

01:25:05.000 And then they're like, this guy's nothing.

01:25:07.000 I called.

01:25:07.000 Too late, I guess.

01:25:09.000 I'm calling and they're like, I got you.

01:25:10.000 I got trips.

01:25:11.000 And he goes, oh, I got a full house.

01:25:12.000 Yep.

01:25:13.000 Wait a minute.

01:25:14.000 You ever seen the episode of The Fresh Prince where his uncle Phil pretends he can't play pool?

01:25:18.000 He's like, I don't know what I'm doing here.

01:25:20.000 And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, I'm a poor shark.

01:25:23.000 Now all of a sudden he's made the bet.

01:25:24.000 It was like, oh, when you start cooking up.

01:25:25.000 All these people in the media, they were like, look, behind closed door, Joe Biden's better than he's ever been.

01:25:30.000 Yeah.

01:25:30.000 Joe Scarborough said this version of Joe Biden is the best version he's ever been.

01:25:36.000 So when we played this video for you.

01:25:37.000 You could believe that had you not heard him speak before.

01:25:40.000 Because I'm telling you, a lot of people forget he was vice president under Obama.

01:25:43.000 He was super sharp.

01:25:44.000 Now you look at him like, what the hell is this?

01:25:46.000 But this is the issue.

01:25:48.000 Chuck Todd recently came out and said the narrative that the media missed this story is a right-wing manufactured narrative.

01:25:56.000 It didn't happen.

01:25:57.000 Chuck Todd is developmentally disabled.

01:26:00.000 Because if he watched this clip and concluded that Joe Biden is of sound mind, then he's developmentally disabled. 0.93

01:26:08.000 When it was over, when Biden debated Trump and he went on this random tangent and then even Trump was like...

01:26:15.000 I don't know what he said, but then he went on seriously.

01:26:17.000 I don't know what he said, and I don't think he did either.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, I don't think he did either, which was hilarious.

01:26:20.000 And honestly, that debate sealed the deal because you had both of them there.

01:26:23.000 Remember, Biden went off for like two weeks.

01:26:25.000 No one knew where he was prior to that debate. 0.98

01:26:27.000 They were making jokes saying he's getting the shots in his butt and everything else like that to wake him up. 0.91

01:26:30.000 And he still came into that debate super unprepared, didn't know what was going on. 0.94

01:26:34.000 It was a big L. And that debate is actually what ended up making him drop out.

01:26:38.000 I remember two weeks after that, he pretty much dropped down.

01:26:40.000 Kamala took over.

01:26:41.000 But yeah, dude, anyone that thinks it's crazy what the mainstream media, how they covered for him.

01:26:46.000 These journalists, like the Axios guy, said, you know, we missed this story, and we've lost trust because of it.

01:26:52.000 It's like, if you really expect me to believe that you missed this story, when we were all watching those videos...

01:26:57.000 There's this experiment, I think the Milgram experiment, where they'll tell people, like, okay, they'll show you a line, and then they show you three other lines.

01:27:03.000 Which one is the same length?

01:27:04.000 I don't think that's Milgram.

01:27:05.000 That's not Milgram.

01:27:05.000 That's a different experiment.

01:27:06.000 Milgram is when they electrocuted people.

01:27:07.000 Yeah, and people would just do what the authority told them to do over and over until they thought they were killing the person.

01:27:12.000 No, they'd keep going.

01:27:13.000 They would keep going.

01:27:14.000 So there's a line that's three inches.

01:27:15.000 You get these other lines and people, you see obviously which line is the same, but the 10 people that go before you that are all in on it will all pick a different line that's the wrong length.

01:27:24.000 And then by the time it gets to the person, over and over they would pick the wrong line because that's what the group said.

01:27:30.000 It's this phenomenon.

01:27:32.000 I disagree.

01:27:33.000 I think they ran on the take.

01:27:34.000 But that is an interesting phenomenon you bring up.

01:27:36.000 There's another experiment they did and you can watch the videos online.

01:27:38.000 It's fascinating.

01:27:39.000 It was like a reality TV show.

01:27:40.000 They have a person goes into like a clinic and there's...

01:27:44.000 A guy sitting in a chair, and there's a bunch of open chairs in the waiting room.

01:27:47.000 The person goes in and sits down, and then something beeps.

01:27:51.000 It goes, beep!

01:27:52.000 And the guy stands up and then sits down.

01:27:55.000 And the person who comes in is sitting there like, whoa, what was that all about?

01:27:58.000 Another person walks in and sits down.

01:27:59.000 The beep goes off, they both stand up and sit down.

01:28:02.000 Eventually, there's like 10 people that have come into the room, and the beep goes off, they all stand up, then they all sit down.

01:28:08.000 Eventually, the person who's being experimented on starts standing up and sitting down too.

01:28:13.000 Just not knowing why, because the beeps are going on.

01:28:15.000 These conformity experiences.

01:28:16.000 The one that I was talking about, the three-line experiment, known as the Ash Conformity Experiment, A-S-C-H, conducted by Solomon Ash in the 1950s to demonstrate the power of conformity in groups.

01:28:24.000 But these exist for a reason.

01:28:26.000 You know why?

01:28:26.000 Social survival of the tribe.

01:28:29.000 Because if a fire broke out and was ripping through the trees, and then a group of, like, three people on one side of the village screamed and started running, the other people would get scared and then start running, too.

01:28:38.000 And if you faked it, you would just end up dying off and people would distrust you.

01:28:42.000 You'd be ostracized.

01:28:43.000 No, if you ignored the threats.

01:28:44.000 If the people were faking the threats, they would be ostracized from the tribe.

01:28:47.000 That's not the factor.

01:28:48.000 The factor is the reason this exists, evolutionary psychology, would be that humans tended to heed social cues to avoid disaster.

01:28:56.000 Because if they did not, they would die.

01:28:58.000 But that is not what we're seeing here.

01:29:00.000 What we're seeing here is journalists were basically saying, I know he's unwell, but I'm not going to be the one to say it because I don't want to lose my job.

01:29:07.000 Yep.

01:29:07.000 And Democratic Party is in shambles.

01:29:09.000 What do you guys think about it?

01:29:10.000 It looks like AOC is going to run.

01:29:11.000 What do you guys think about that?

01:29:12.000 It is.

01:29:14.000 She'll be president within the next 20 years, but probably not 2020.

01:29:17.000 I want to shout out the Piers Morgan show.

01:29:20.000 Maybe eventually.

01:29:20.000 Today I went on Piers Morgan's show and Sri Tenedar was on it.

01:29:24.000 He's the guy who's impeaching Trump.

01:29:26.000 And he starts ranting about Trump.

01:29:28.000 Is it that Indian guy? 0.93

01:29:29.000 Yeah.

01:29:30.000 He's like, Donald Trump is deporting a two-year-old and a four-year-old and I'm just sitting here like, oh my god.

01:29:35.000 And then so, you know, Piers was like, Tim, and I just...

01:29:37.000 You got an X and you shouldn't be able to run for office.

01:29:39.000 Well, I don't care about that.

01:29:40.000 My point was...

01:29:41.000 Hey, I'll say it.

01:29:42.000 You can't impeach Donald Trump for doing things that are just unpopular or because his approval rating is down.

01:29:47.000 And the only reason this guy had...

01:29:49.000 The only reason Shri Tanadar...

01:29:50.000 I told this to his face over the camera.

01:29:52.000 The only reason he's impeaching Trump is because the Democratic Party is in shambles.

01:29:55.000 They have no frontrunner.

01:29:56.000 It's a free-for-all.

01:29:57.000 And there are a bunch of crabs clawing their way to the top of the bucket.

01:30:00.000 And that's what he's doing.

01:30:00.000 He's saying, pick me.

01:30:02.000 Yep.

01:30:02.000 And that's 100% what's going on.

01:30:03.000 They're absolutely in shambles.

01:30:05.000 They don't know what's going on.

01:30:06.000 You know, I think their strongest...

01:30:08.000 I think Bernie and AOC is probably their strongest card that they can play, and that's probably what they're going to run.

01:30:12.000 Well, he's going to campaign alongside her.

01:30:14.000 He's been endorsing her like crazy.

01:30:15.000 That's fine, but I think by 2028, I don't know how long...

01:30:19.000 Look, with all due respect...

01:30:20.000 He's old as hell.

01:30:21.000 Right.

01:30:21.000 He's passed the average life expectancy, and we call this the mortality factor.

01:30:26.000 Once a certain generation gets a certain age, you can expect them to pass on. 0.78

01:30:29.000 You know, I kind of see AOC...

01:30:31.000 I think he's endorsing her.

01:30:31.000 I think he's kind of galvanizing his audience, his people, to basically get behind her.

01:30:35.000 But her support is 10%.

01:30:36.000 Yeah.

01:30:37.000 I could see her being president in 2030.

01:30:40.000 That's why he's trying to make her it.

01:30:42.000 She's, like, not ready.

01:30:44.000 Okay, we're all developing right now.

01:30:45.000 We're all getting more information.

01:30:46.000 We're becoming better people, ideally, so that we could all, probably all four of us at this table, could be president someday if we become better people and more equipped to understand what's going on.

01:30:55.000 She's the same way.

01:30:56.000 I don't think she's prepared for it yet.

01:30:58.000 I would never vote for Ian because he's the kind of guy that, like, you look at him.

01:31:02.000 And he tries to exude this, you know, like, empathetic, bipartisan thing, but he's talked about wanting executions and military intervention and spreading of democracy.

01:31:12.000 The opo on E would be beautiful.

01:31:14.000 You know, he's a neocon on the inside and a neolib on the outside.

01:31:17.000 Yeah, well, I'm...

01:31:19.000 Oh, he's smirking.

01:31:20.000 We can't put a woman in office. 1.00

01:31:22.000 This is my automatically disqualified female? 1.00

01:31:24.000 No.

01:31:25.000 She can't win.

01:31:26.000 And I'll say this.

01:31:28.000 Well, I'm happy to hear that.

01:31:29.000 And the feminists get really mad, but I don't believe... 1.00

01:31:32.000 One, I believe it is possible for a woman to win if she's older, but it's going to be very, very difficult.

01:31:40.000 However, especially for a young woman, people 100% psychologically associate height, muscles, deep voice with leadership capabilities and qualities for obvious reasons.

01:31:53.000 Literally, if someone attacks him on the street, you want the president to be able to fight the guy off.

01:31:57.000 But these desires and these traits...

01:32:01.000 Are literally rooted in caveman brain.

01:32:03.000 When humans were living in the wild and the big strong guy was like, listen to me and I'll keep you safe.

01:32:08.000 We'd be like, okay, you're big.

01:32:10.000 You can fight off the bear.

01:32:12.000 AOC is short, frail, and has a high-pitched voice.

01:32:17.000 And I'm not saying it to be mean.

01:32:19.000 She should be making rice and beans in a kitchen somewhere. 1.00

01:32:21.000 Well, she can make drinks. 1.00

01:32:23.000 She can do whatever she wants.

01:32:24.000 But my point is there's going to be a large percentage of the population.

01:32:29.000 Whether they intentionally realize it or not, that they're going to hear her speak and say, absolutely not.

01:32:34.000 That's a reality.

01:32:35.000 She'll do better than Kamala, unfortunately. 0.95

01:32:37.000 Absolutely.

01:32:38.000 I think she'll do better than Kamala.

01:32:39.000 Skill?

01:32:40.000 Skill?

01:32:40.000 And capability can absolutely overcome biases.

01:32:43.000 I don't think she's got it.

01:32:44.000 The only way I think she would win is if people were so afraid, kind of like what happened in Canada with the Mark Carney thing.

01:32:49.000 People were so terrified that Trump actually wanted to take over Canada that they voted for the communist.

01:32:54.000 Not that he's a communist, but they voted for the Chinese, let's say the sympathizer to the whatever, the ways of the West, so that if America does attack, Carney's going with China.

01:33:02.000 They're going to ally.

01:33:03.000 So if that happened in the United States, people were so afraid of Trump.

01:33:07.000 You could see maybe a reactionary.

01:33:08.000 Who do you think the Democrat frontrunner will be then, Tim, in your opinion?

01:33:11.000 Who do you think will be?

01:33:12.000 They're in shambles.

01:33:13.000 They're trying to find somebody now.

01:33:14.000 AOC.

01:33:14.000 You think it will be?

01:33:15.000 Okay.

01:33:15.000 I mean, she's the only high-profile Democrat right now.

01:33:18.000 I think so, too.

01:33:19.000 The problem is...

01:33:20.000 It has somewhat of an audience.

01:33:22.000 We had this conversation a couple weeks ago.

01:33:25.000 If you look at a liberal YouTuber, Trump is 80% of their thumbnails.

01:33:30.000 100%, dude.

01:33:31.000 But if you look at TimCast IRL, Trump is 80% of their thumbnails.

01:33:34.000 Why?

01:33:34.000 In politics right now, Trump owns the space.

01:33:38.000 However, it didn't used to be this way.

01:33:41.000 There used to be various Democrats that were in the limelight.

01:33:44.000 Pelosi and Schumer were—they're getting no attention anymore.

01:33:48.000 They're out of the limelight.

01:33:50.000 Hillary.

01:33:50.000 Jeffries.

01:33:51.000 Hillary did especially. 0.99

01:33:52.000 Obama especially.

01:33:54.000 Jeffries has no X factor and no Q factor, which is X factor meaning no charisma and Q, no notability, no celebrity.

01:34:02.000 Yep.

01:34:03.000 On the Republican side, Donald Trump takes the cake clean.

01:34:08.000 However, Elon Musk is there.

01:34:10.000 And then you also sometimes might have, like, Rubio pops up sometimes, not too much.

01:34:15.000 RFK Jr. pops up.

01:34:17.000 Matt Gaetz might pop up, though he's out of Congress now.

01:34:19.000 He's doing his show.

01:34:20.000 There were other players with celebrity factor.

01:34:23.000 The Democrats have just AOC, and it is a limited celebrity factor.

01:34:27.000 It's not even that pronounced.

01:34:28.000 That's a good point, bro.

01:34:29.000 Because here's the thing.

01:34:30.000 I watch a lot of, like, leftists. 0.99

01:34:32.000 Creators to see their ridiculous points. 1.00

01:34:34.000 That's how I even came across this whole Judge Dugan thing and how they were crying and complaining how stupid they are. 1.00

01:34:38.000 But yeah, you're right. 1.00

01:34:39.000 Half of it is them literally complaining about Trump or saying, look at me prove this Trump supporter wrong on terrorists.

01:34:44.000 Like, that's literally all they do. 1.00

01:34:45.000 They put Trump in a thumbnail and show something about MAGA being stupid, whatever it may be. 1.00

01:34:49.000 Like, that's what they do. 1.00

01:34:50.000 Every big...

01:34:51.000 Left-wing political commentator.

01:34:52.000 And you're right.

01:34:53.000 They don't have anybody big on their side.

01:34:55.000 I mean, ALC is the biggest.

01:34:57.000 And Bernie.

01:34:58.000 I wonder about that.

01:34:59.000 I'm going to take a look at the stories that we've got right now.

01:35:02.000 So if I go to our channel, and I'm not going to cover this up.

01:35:08.000 I'm going to read literally our schedule for the next several segments.

01:35:12.000 Here's how we do this at Tim Kist.

01:35:16.000 Kellen, one of our producers, comes in and he says, here are the unique segments from the show.

01:35:20.000 I then look at the titles and either agree or say maybe change this one.

01:35:25.000 And then he and the team will thumbnail up.

01:35:27.000 I think Kellen does all the IRL clips.

01:35:29.000 They're nodding at me.

01:35:29.000 Yes.

01:35:29.000 And then they get scheduled for the rest of the week.

01:35:31.000 We've got Ozempic Causes of Blindness, America in a Soft Civil War, Facebook Blocks Republican Candidate, Corporate Press Lies, Joe Biden Accused of Fake Photo.

01:35:41.000 That was a funny one.

01:35:42.000 Researchers Caught Using AI Bots to Manipulate.

01:35:46.000 Documents proving a break with Garcia.

01:35:48.000 These ones are published by now.

01:35:49.000 Wisconsin Supreme Court suspense.

01:35:51.000 These are largely news stories.

01:35:53.000 These are the segments from the show.

01:35:55.000 They are not the show titles.

01:35:56.000 The show titles are almost always like big political story, usually related to Trump.

01:36:01.000 I'm willing to bet that if I go to a liberal podcast...

01:36:05.000 And pull up their videos.

01:36:08.000 They're not going to be news stories.

01:36:10.000 They're going to be political attacks on MAGA or Trump.

01:36:12.000 100%.

01:36:13.000 And here's the thing.

01:36:14.000 They do that because that's really the only way they get views a lot of times.

01:36:17.000 Because the past 10 or 15 years, people have been really tired of this woke agenda.

01:36:21.000 And liberal content creators have not been getting as much traction.

01:36:25.000 So the way they do it is they just got to insult or attack conservatives or Trump.

01:36:30.000 That's how they do it.

01:36:30.000 So I'm going to, again, not selective.

01:36:33.000 I'm going to read.

01:36:35.000 Directly the list from Luke Beasley.

01:36:38.000 First one, watch reporter destroy Trump.

01:36:41.000 Second one, psychologist explains why Trump is effed in the head.

01:36:44.000 The next two are members-only bonus shows.

01:36:47.000 The next one is watch Trump's face as his own fans lose it. 1.00

01:36:50.000 The next one, oh shit, Trump cries. 0.99

01:36:52.000 The next one, watch Trump suffer panic spiral. 1.00

01:36:55.000 The next one, MAGA host laughed at her face.

01:36:57.000 The next one, breaking Trump rally utter catastrophe.

01:37:00.000 Two bonus shows.

01:37:01.000 It literally just says bonus show members only.

01:37:03.000 The next one.

01:37:04.000 The next one.

01:37:12.000 That's the reactionary.

01:37:17.000 Yeah, it's all.

01:37:18.000 The next one.

01:37:20.000 Trump asked question fails.

01:37:21.000 The next one.

01:37:22.000 MAGA fans meet Zelensky turns against Trump.

01:37:25.000 Two bonus shows.

01:37:26.000 The next one. 0.95

01:37:27.000 Trump's brain suddenly powers down. 0.77

01:37:28.000 The next one. 0.97

01:37:29.000 Hegseth screams face off on TV.

01:37:31.000 The next one.

01:37:32.000 Trump was asked about her.

01:37:34.000 That's all it says.

01:37:34.000 Dude, there's no political analysis or commentary.

01:37:37.000 It's literally just like reacting to something that Trump did and saying, look at this bad fascism.

01:37:42.000 So this is what they do.

01:37:43.000 That's how I knew about the whole Dugan thing.

01:37:44.000 I was like, these guys have it 100% wrong.

01:37:46.000 And that's just one video I tuned in to see.

01:37:48.000 So this is what we're doing wrong.

01:37:50.000 Like, I just read the segments for you guys.

01:37:52.000 Ozempic, the soft civil war, Facebook blocks a Republican candidate, the corporate...

01:37:57.000 Which is outrage stuff.

01:37:58.000 Corporate press lies deport Detroit women. 1.00

01:38:01.000 Joe Biden fake photo.

01:38:03.000 The AI bots.

01:38:05.000 Court docs.

01:38:06.000 Here's how we do this show.

01:38:09.000 So in the morning when I'm doing the morning show, I'm lining up all of these different stories and I'm reading everything.

01:38:13.000 Then before Timcast IRL, at about 7.15, I come in.

01:38:18.000 I've already got a bunch of stories pulled up.

01:38:19.000 We then start arranging them in ways that we...

01:38:23.000 Largely I do it, making what I think makes sense.

01:38:25.000 If we're starting with this story, these stories make sense and we'll go in this order.

01:38:29.000 Sometimes we change it.

01:38:30.000 I then ask the crew, what do you guys think is the big lead story of the day?

01:38:33.000 Today we were like, it might be the Ukraine thing we actually didn't get into, this agreement on minerals.

01:38:38.000 And then we talked about it and we're like, I don't know, Trump saying that he's like alluding to suspending habeas corpus is massive.

01:38:45.000 We then record each segment using the news story as the launching point.

01:38:49.000 And the segments that we do...

01:38:52.000 I mean, sometimes they do well.

01:38:54.000 A couple are over at 100,000, somewhere at 50. If we just changed this and followed the liberal format, I pulled up David Pakman.

01:39:02.000 You guys ready?

01:39:03.000 First video.

01:39:04.000 GOP down first time in three years.

01:39:06.000 Trump crashes at rally.

01:39:07.000 The next one.

01:39:08.000 Trump crashes out half empty rally.

01:39:10.000 The next one.

01:39:11.000 GOP down under Trump.

01:39:13.000 Almost a recession.

01:39:14.000 The next one.

01:39:14.000 Trump melts down.

01:39:15.000 The next one.

01:39:16.000 Gretchen Whitmer angry about Trump.

01:39:17.000 The next one.

01:39:18.000 Oops. How did Trump make 200 deals if there aren't 200 countries?

01:39:22.000 The next one.

01:39:29.000 Literally every single thing is just...

01:39:33.000 Dude, it's crazy.

01:39:34.000 I'm angry at Trump!

01:39:35.000 Yeah, dude, it's crazy.

01:39:36.000 When Biden was president, we would do... 1.00

01:39:38.000 Damn! 1.00

01:39:38.000 A percentage. 1.00

01:39:39.000 I told you, dude, I noticed this when I was going through.

01:39:40.000 I was like, what the hell?

01:39:41.000 There's like a chunk of stuff we would do would have Biden in it or Kamala.

01:39:45.000 We did complain about those in power, which we're supposed to do.

01:39:47.000 You're supposed to hold the people in power to the fire, their feet to the fire.

01:39:50.000 But there's also this behavior of reactionary where you don't offer a counterpoint.

01:39:56.000 You don't offer the other reality that you want to see.

01:39:59.000 And that is a fear-based mentality.

01:40:01.000 Look at this from Brian Tyler Cohen.

01:40:04.000 Oh, God, that guy's...

01:40:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:06.000 Okay, here we go.

01:40:06.000 Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

01:40:09.000 Cory Booker.

01:40:09.000 Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

01:40:13.000 Wild, dude.

01:40:14.000 Supreme Court.

01:40:15.000 Trump, Trump, Trump.

01:40:17.000 And they just cry fascism all day.

01:40:19.000 I'm telling you, it's like the same line over and over.

01:40:22.000 The immigration judge, sorry, the judge one with Dugan, they were losing their minds over that one. 0.97

01:40:26.000 And it's crazy to me how they all had the same target points and all of them are royally fucking wrong. 0.95

01:40:30.000 You know what? 0.91

01:40:31.000 It's wild.

01:40:32.000 You don't even know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration.

01:40:34.000 Here's my idea.

01:40:35.000 Wild.

01:40:35.000 I'm going to tell Kellen.

01:40:37.000 From now on, every segment...

01:40:39.000 From Timcast IRL, like, here's one that I thought was a really great story.

01:40:43.000 It's really crazy.

01:40:44.000 Researchers caught using AI bots to shape public opinion on Reddit.

01:40:48.000 Massive.

01:40:50.000 Guys, put Trump in the thumbnail, and the title should now be Trump!

01:40:56.000 Researchers caught using AI bots to shape public opinion.

01:41:01.000 Dude, it is really disheartening.

01:41:03.000 And here's the thing, they're getting views because a lot of these people aren't even really...

01:41:07.000 Democrats a lot of times, they're just people that dislike Trump.

01:41:09.000 So they know, alright, even though I'm not going to get a lot of people that even agree with my political ideology, I just know that a lot of them dislike Trump, so I'm going to go ahead and put him in the title so I can get everyone to kind of come in and watch it because they just hate Trump.

01:41:21.000 Brian Tyler Cohen is the Trump Review Channel.

01:41:23.000 That's literally all he's got.

01:41:25.000 I had that Trump reply guys back in his first term.

01:41:28.000 It's so lucrative.

01:41:28.000 All of them, dude.

01:41:29.000 It's like literally they all have the same exact talking points on the left, man. 0.99

01:41:32.000 Every big left-wing political commentator is saying the same shit over and over. 0.99

01:41:35.000 And I caught on when I saw all their commentary on this Dugan chick. 0.99

01:41:38.000 And I was like, wow.

01:41:39.000 They don't really care about the truth.

01:41:40.000 They just care about outrage.

01:41:41.000 It's like, this is fascism.

01:41:42.000 This is whatever.

01:41:43.000 But they don't realize that the woman literally broke the law. 1.00

01:41:45.000 Do you think the Young Turks will do the same thing?

01:41:48.000 No.

01:41:49.000 I haven't seen them cover the judge, to be honest.

01:41:51.000 I have not seen them.

01:41:52.000 So let's go with the Young Turks, and we're going to start with Trump.

01:41:56.000 Second one.

01:41:57.000 Trump.

01:41:58.000 The next two are members-only interviews.

01:42:01.000 Then you've got Charlemagne and Chenk. 0.91

01:42:03.000 Then you've got Trump.

01:42:04.000 Trump.

01:42:07.000 Bonus episode, bonus episode, bonus episode, members-only.

01:42:09.000 Then pro-Israel mob.

01:42:11.000 Then congressman slams Trump.

01:42:14.000 Then liberals triumphant Canada.

01:42:16.000 So it does still appear to be Trump.

01:42:20.000 A lot of Trump.

01:42:21.000 It's not as bad, though.

01:42:22.000 It's not as bad.

01:42:23.000 The other half is for Netanyahu.

01:42:25.000 There you go.

01:42:26.000 The other half is...

01:42:27.000 Because that's one thing me and T.Y.T.

01:42:30.000 agree on is the whole Israel thing.

01:42:31.000 That's about it.

01:42:33.000 But I want to point this out, too.

01:42:35.000 I feel bad for Cenk Uygur.

01:42:37.000 Obviously, he does have a lot of Trump in here.

01:42:40.000 Yo, an hour ago, they got 2,000 views.

01:42:42.000 On this.

01:42:43.000 Let's go back to...

01:42:44.000 Here we go.

01:42:45.000 Where's...

01:42:45.000 Let's pull up a Trump thing from like...

01:42:48.000 I'll give him credit because he'll sit down with conservatives.

01:42:50.000 He'll at least sit down with us.

01:42:51.000 But look at this.

01:42:52.000 He's getting...

01:42:52.000 He's been here, right?

01:42:54.000 Yeah.

01:42:55.000 They're getting no traffic.

01:42:56.000 Look at this.

01:42:57.000 Terrible polls for Trump.

01:42:58.000 6,000 views one day ago.

01:42:59.000 I'm telling you, dude.

01:43:00.000 Liberals don't...

01:43:00.000 The left-wing media, they don't get the same amount of views they did 10 years ago unless they talk about Trump.

01:43:05.000 That's the only way.

01:43:06.000 If people like Luke Beasley and David Pakman stopped lying about Trump...

01:43:11.000 Then I'm sure Trump's polls would skyrocket.

01:43:14.000 But if you live in David Pakman world, like, did we just, did I have David Pakman pulled up?

01:43:19.000 Where is it?

01:43:19.000 You didn't pull him up.

01:43:20.000 I did, but I just read it.

01:43:21.000 On your side, yeah.

01:43:22.000 You didn't show up to us, though.

01:43:23.000 Where are we at?

01:43:24.000 Pakman. 0.99

01:43:26.000 Pakman. 0.99

01:43:27.000 It's really, like, 20 years.

01:43:28.000 Like, yeah.

01:43:28.000 So, he gets a tremendous amount of views, but, like, Trump challenges journalists to cognitive tests in nutty interview.

01:43:37.000 It's just like...

01:43:38.000 He has created a bubble world where if you're subscribed to his channel, literally the only things you see is the nightmare reality of Trump screaming in your face.

01:43:47.000 And that's just terrifying.

01:43:49.000 Do these guys go on...

01:43:50.000 Has he been here before or no?

01:43:52.000 No.

01:43:52.000 The first time we asked him, he said he'd do it for five grand.

01:43:55.000 What the fuck? 0.98

01:43:56.000 The second time we asked him, he said that he would consider it, but he's busy and he'll try to make time. 0.99

01:44:00.000 Dude, you know, that's, I think, the biggest thing.

01:44:04.000 Conservatives most of the time will sit there and talk with a liberal if the audiences are comparable.

01:44:09.000 But I've noticed they won't sit down with us.

01:44:12.000 They just won't.

01:44:13.000 Well, let's address this.

01:44:15.000 The fact that he even said 5K when you have a bigger show than he does is crazy to me.

01:44:19.000 To be fair, it was a couple years ago.

01:44:21.000 Well, I mean, to be fair, David Pegman's got 3 million subs and some of his videos get hundreds of thousands of views.

01:44:27.000 Some don't.

01:44:28.000 It's probably worth $4,000 an hour, $5,000 an hour.

01:44:31.000 But here's the thing.

01:44:32.000 Doing a live show, It's significantly harder than doing pre-recorded content and just talking on a mic.

01:44:37.000 What I will say is there are different universes in shows.

01:44:41.000 And everybody's always trying to claim they're the biggest show.

01:44:43.000 So, you know, like Kill Tony said they're the biggest live podcast.

01:44:46.000 But they're a comedy show, not really a podcast.

01:44:49.000 And, I mean, they technically are.

01:44:50.000 But they're also not live.

01:44:52.000 They premiere.

01:44:53.000 But he said that.

01:44:54.000 Then you've got Nelk Boys. 1.00

01:44:55.000 They said they're the biggest podcast on YouTube.

01:44:58.000 Everybody's trying to claim...

01:45:00.000 I mean, Joe Rogan's on YouTube, but he's bigger than that.

01:45:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:02.000 But what I will say is, we actually track the live metrics, and Timcast IRL is the third biggest live stream in the country, and we've consistently been for the past couple years.

01:45:13.000 It is surprising to me, too, because...

01:45:15.000 You know why he won't come out?

01:45:16.000 Because it's live.

01:45:17.000 Exactly.

01:45:18.000 When it's live, dude, what I've realized from meeting people, there's very few people that can actually live stream, dude.

01:45:22.000 Like me, you, a couple others.

01:45:23.000 But most YouTubers actually can't live stream and be able to speak and talk about things real time.

01:45:28.000 These guys that do pre-recorded content like this, they're just not good live.

01:45:31.000 And then for them to be in an adversarial environment and have to be live, it's a double win.

01:45:35.000 So here's the point I was going to make.

01:45:36.000 Right now, between YouTube and Rumble, we're at about 70,000 concurrent viewers.

01:45:41.000 And we hit between like 63, 70k, which puts us...

01:45:45.000 Almost every day, Monday through Friday, at around third place.

01:45:49.000 David Pakman...

01:45:50.000 And my point is, I think that's because, as I went through our list of segments that we put up...

01:45:57.000 You've got 70 right now, pretty much.

01:45:58.000 Yeah.

01:45:59.000 Looking at the numbers, right around 70. Yeah, Rumble and YouTube is around 70. It's going down because we're getting...

01:46:02.000 I've got to go to Super Chats, but I want to make this point.

01:46:05.000 So we cover all the big stories that, you know, these are what's trending in the news and stories we think are big and that are important, like the AI bot stuff.

01:46:15.000 And Moscow bombs Kiev.

01:46:17.000 I mean, one of our segments, Moscow bombs Kiev, 73,000 views.

01:46:22.000 Not political.

01:46:23.000 War.

01:46:23.000 War, conflict, crisis.

01:46:24.000 Because I think these things are important.

01:46:26.000 I think this confers to us a large live audience who knows that we're going to talk about an eclectic spattering of news, largely political.

01:46:33.000 The reason why David Pakman can't come on this show, or Kyle Kalinske, is that all David Pakman does is say, everything Trump does is wrong no matter what.

01:46:42.000 In an isolated...

01:46:44.000 In the isolated confines of the Pac-Man compound, and it's true of Luke Beasley, and it's true of Brian Tyler Cohen, the only thing they can say is, here's a selective video of Trump, and I'm going to insult him, and that's it.

01:46:55.000 If you were actually to bring him in here and say, let's talk about foreign policy, like you and I are going off on the Suez.

01:47:01.000 I mean, we are really in the weeds on like...

01:47:05.000 Here's the thing.

01:47:06.000 We disagree and we can still have a discussion.

01:47:07.000 These guys can't do it, bro.

01:47:08.000 That's what I've realized.

01:47:09.000 They just can't have disagreements and conversations and be civil.

01:47:12.000 They just can't.

01:47:13.000 Luke, I'll give him credit.

01:47:14.000 He came here.

01:47:15.000 Me and Andrew destroyed him and another guy.

01:47:19.000 My point is, you come here.

01:47:21.000 You want to come here.

01:47:22.000 And you're going to say, here's why I think this thing in the Middle East is happening this way.

01:47:25.000 And I'll say, I think you're wrong.

01:47:27.000 It's this way.

01:47:27.000 David Pakman couldn't say anything about that.

01:47:29.000 He'd be confused.

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 He'd be like, honestly, I haven't read anything about that, but if you want to know why I think Trump smells bad, I'll tell you what I think.

01:47:35.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 A lot of them don't even care about foreign policy.

01:47:37.000 They don't care.

01:47:37.000 Yeah, they don't care about foreign policy.

01:47:39.000 To me, foreign policy is one of the most important things to me politically, but...

01:47:41.000 I agree.

01:47:42.000 For a lot of these guys, they don't care.

01:47:43.000 We got to go to Rumble Rants, Superjet.

01:47:45.000 Sorry to cut you off.

01:47:45.000 I thought you brought up ToeJam& Earl last night.

01:47:47.000 I bought the wrong one.

01:47:48.000 What's that?

01:47:49.000 I bought the wrong one.

01:47:49.000 I bought part two.

01:47:50.000 That sucked.

01:47:51.000 I know.

01:47:52.000 But I saw Wrecking Crew also. 0.99

01:47:53.000 That game was badass as fuck.

01:47:54.000 So we're trying to get it to work. 0.89

01:47:56.000 We gotta go to your chats.

01:47:58.000 Smash the like button.

01:47:59.000 Share the show with everyone you know.

01:48:00.000 Follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.

01:48:02.000 I don't know why I said that.

01:48:03.000 Whatever.

01:48:03.000 Just follow me anyway.

01:48:04.000 Rumble.com slash TimCast IRL for the uncensored call-in show, which will probably get spicy in about 15 minutes.

01:48:10.000 I'm trying to go quick to get to your chats.

01:48:13.000 And I can say what I want to say.

01:48:15.000 It's gonna be even crazier.

01:48:17.000 I recommend you guys watch the Green Room podcast.

01:48:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:20.000 That should be up now or going up soon, and that's also at rumble.com slash timcast.com.

01:48:24.000 And Tim had a great conversation on immigration and some other stuff as well, so.

01:48:27.000 We'll talk more about it.

01:48:28.000 We'll talk more about it.

01:48:29.000 Let's read some chats.

01:48:30.000 Shane H. Wilder says, if Trump suspends habeas corpus, the MSN will have a field day.

01:48:34.000 I can hear it now.

01:48:35.000 Never before has a president done such a thing. 1.00

01:48:36.000 Trump is a dictator. 0.83

01:48:38.000 Fine, and so has Lincoln. 0.76

01:48:39.000 That's why I asked people.

01:48:41.000 I was sitting down with the trigonometry guys, and this was like a month ago.

01:48:44.000 I don't know if they put the episode up yet, but I asked them, was Lincoln a dictator?

01:48:47.000 And they're British, so they're like, well, I don't know. 1.00

01:48:48.000 I don't know.

01:48:49.000 And I'm like, OK, because that's the question.

01:48:51.000 Was Lincoln a good guy or a bad guy?

01:48:52.000 Because he arrested politicians.

01:48:54.000 He threatened to arrest a Supreme Court justice.

01:48:57.000 He sent troops to go to war.

01:48:58.000 I mean, these are questions about necessity.

01:49:01.000 All right, let's go.

01:49:03.000 Omni Stone Herald says, I not only voted for this, I still am expecting more.

01:49:08.000 Indeed.

01:49:10.000 All right.

01:49:11.000 J Dirt Biker says, was pretty worried today after hearing about the power outages in Europe.

01:49:14.000 Cell phone networks went down in my area for hours with no info available.

01:49:18.000 Thought it was go time.

01:49:19.000 Thankfully not.

01:49:20.000 I think it is important to point out we don't know why, when, or how.

01:49:27.000 Disasters can't happen.

01:49:28.000 And sometimes it's rain.

01:49:30.000 You know, so when I told people buy emergency food, these liberals started making fun of me.

01:49:35.000 And I just laughed right back like, guys.

01:49:38.000 There was a flood a week ago in Texas, like this is a couple years ago, and people were trapped in their town because the bridges were flooded.

01:49:46.000 In Houston, yeah.

01:49:47.000 And I'm like, if you had emergency food in your house, you'd be like, we've got food in the pantry, it's probably not going to take long to fix, but I know that we're...

01:49:56.000 Going to be more secure with food and water stored.

01:49:58.000 Sometimes it rains.

01:50:00.000 You know, I'm not telling people to go fight over the last can of beans with Agnes in a Walmart parking lot.

01:50:04.000 I'm saying you pick up some emergency supplies.

01:50:05.000 You got a first aid kit, you get some water, you get some food.

01:50:07.000 But man, when go time comes, I hope people are prepared in a reasonable way.

01:50:13.000 All right.

01:50:15.000 Spartan Bacon says, I know you watch Apple TV.

01:50:18.000 I think you would enjoy the show called Foundation if you haven't watched already.

01:50:21.000 Maybe.

01:50:22.000 Severance is a bad show.

01:50:24.000 Well, let me clarify.

01:50:25.000 Severance is a C- show.

01:50:29.000 C-.

01:50:29.000 That's bad, in my opinion.

01:50:31.000 Right.

01:50:32.000 When I say bad, I don't want people to think I'm saying it's unwatchable.

01:50:34.000 I watched it.

01:50:35.000 I was bored.

01:50:36.000 And I watched it because I felt like I had to because everyone was talking about it.

01:50:39.000 I needed to know what happened.

01:50:40.000 But I was frustrated and bored most of the time.

01:50:43.000 And I feel the press is fake.

01:50:45.000 However, Silo was really good.

01:50:47.000 And I'm looking forward to the next season.

01:50:50.000 Silo was pretty good.

01:50:51.000 I want to ask, but since we're in Super Chats, I don't want to derail too much.

01:50:54.000 Silo's about people who live in a silo.

01:50:57.000 The world ended outside.

01:50:58.000 The air is toxic.

01:50:59.000 You'll die.

01:51:00.000 And there's 10,000 people living in a silo.

01:51:03.000 And so it's this big...

01:51:04.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:51:05.000 Like life in a vault.

01:51:06.000 It's kind of like Fallout in some ways.

01:51:08.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 All right, let's go!

01:51:10.000 Truth A says, Tim, the skull in MS-13 means calavera.

01:51:15.000 Calavera is skull in Spanish, and the C is the third letter of the alphabet.

01:51:19.000 Who speaks Spanish?

01:51:21.000 Caballero?

01:51:22.000 Is that what it is?

01:51:23.000 Calavera?

01:51:23.000 Calavera.

01:51:23.000 But I'll take his word for it.

01:51:25.000 Callavera.

01:51:26.000 Someone said it was craniose or something.

01:51:28.000 But I've heard that the C is the three.

01:51:32.000 Callavera.

01:51:32.000 I don't know.

01:51:33.000 What?

01:51:33.000 Did you look up skull in Spanish?

01:51:34.000 It's not hard to do.

01:51:35.000 No.

01:51:36.000 He's not even doing it.

01:51:36.000 Just try to type it phonetically.

01:51:40.000 All right, let's grab some more.

01:51:41.000 What do we got?

01:51:44.000 Yeah, the Tarahumara are a tribe in Mexico that run for like 18 hours a day.

01:51:59.000 They'll drink corn beer as their dietary main food and then they just run.

01:52:03.000 And they'll like wrap rubber under their feet sometimes or they run barefoot and they run.

01:52:07.000 Pad first.

01:52:08.000 They don't heel strike. 0.59

01:52:09.000 And yes, by the way, I ground it in the grass.

01:52:11.000 They don't heel strike? 0.92

01:52:12.000 No, they run like on their toes, kind of on their pads.

01:52:15.000 What?

01:52:15.000 I guess that's long distance runners tend to run like that.

01:52:18.000 It's way easier on your legs.

01:52:19.000 You don't use your heels?

01:52:20.000 You go like front of the foot first and then the heel comes down.

01:52:23.000 Oh! 0.60

01:52:24.000 Mid strike.

01:52:26.000 I was in this.

01:52:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:27.000 Try it.

01:52:28.000 It's great.

01:52:28.000 You'll find more stamina.

01:52:29.000 You can work different muscles, but eventually.

01:52:32.000 Calavera is going Spanish.

01:52:34.000 Yes, it is.

01:52:36.000 Calavera.

01:52:36.000 Cranillo also it could be.

01:52:38.000 And so I grounded today in the grass.

01:52:39.000 I got out of the sauna.

01:52:40.000 And it's a very different experience putting bare feet in the grass out of the sauna because I could feel like every blade of grass.

01:52:45.000 Did you feel the energy of the earth flow through you?

01:52:47.000 I'll do Reiki and I'll have energy come from the stars through my body as a conduit into the earth's core and then create a channel through the core back to the stars.

01:52:55.000 Yeah, and circle it around and I'm like a part of the conduit and I picture all these stars and energy going out to all the stars and back through me and just do these meditations.

01:53:03.000 Always into the Earth's core.

01:53:04.000 Not always, but...

01:53:05.000 All right, we got...

01:53:05.000 Let's grab some more.

01:53:06.000 We got Korowag.

01:53:06.000 It says, Alien Invasion Act is a wartime statute.

01:53:09.000 The obstruction from these judges under a wartime effort can be charged with treason.

01:53:13.000 It's all or nothing is what we need now.

01:53:16.000 Charge the judges with treason.

01:53:17.000 I disagree.

01:53:18.000 It's seditious conspiracy.

01:53:20.000 There's a difference.

01:53:20.000 But I also think it doesn't matter.

01:53:23.000 No matter what Trump does.

01:53:24.000 Literally, Trump is going to be walking down the street.

01:53:26.000 He's going to walk out of the White House and he's going to go...

01:53:29.000 And they're going to be like...

01:53:32.000 Unconstitutional!

01:53:33.000 He's defiling the White House!

01:53:34.000 Get him out! 0.98

01:53:35.000 And he's going to be like, what happened?

01:53:37.000 He's going to go to McDonald's to buy a cheeseburger and they're going to claim that he's putting the presidency at risk by eating unhealthy food.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, it's a tough situation, like I said, because I can see why the need for it, but at the same time, I can see how it can impede other people's right to due process.

01:53:50.000 So it's one of these situations, it's almost like a catch-22, man, because people are going to suffer under it that do need to have due process, but then there's other people that need to just get deported because we have this huge immigration problem right now.

01:54:00.000 You know, just because I got David Pakman's thing pulled up, he's really weaponized the addiction to Trump in a way that's made him a millionaire.

01:54:07.000 Dude, it's crazy.

01:54:09.000 I wonder what these people are going to do when Trump is out of office.

01:54:13.000 Nobody wants a third term for Trump more than David Pakman and Brian Tyler Cohen.

01:54:17.000 They would really, really be.

01:54:20.000 Dude, if Trump had lost the election, they'd be broke.

01:54:23.000 Because I'm serious.

01:54:25.000 What would they make content on?

01:54:27.000 Kamala being terrible?

01:54:28.000 No.

01:54:28.000 What would they make content on?

01:54:29.000 Well, I mean, look, during the Biden administration, people were still talking about Trump.

01:54:34.000 And if he lost...

01:54:35.000 They would talk about the possibility of Trump running again.

01:54:38.000 They would do it for four years.

01:54:40.000 I'll be honest, dude.

01:54:41.000 He would have went to prison.

01:54:42.000 Well, yeah.

01:54:43.000 And they would have...

01:54:44.000 I'm sure that they would have...

01:54:44.000 You can run from prison, though.

01:54:48.000 I guess you can, but like...

01:54:49.000 Well, they would talk about it.

01:54:51.000 You know, it's like...

01:54:52.000 He would have...

01:54:52.000 And I've talked about this before.

01:54:54.000 I think the criminal case that...

01:54:55.000 What caused the most problems that I was worried the most about was the classified document case.

01:54:59.000 That's the one that they had him on dead to rights.

01:55:01.000 Because as much as he might say, hey, look, I declassified the documents, National Defense Information, NDI, there's no way around that.

01:55:07.000 And I've charged espionage before, so I know it's a very, it's ran broad in a way, you know.

01:55:13.000 To cover military information.

01:55:15.000 And the fact that they wrote a search warrant, they went to his house, they were lawfully there, they found the documents, it wasn't there and obviously held in a certain manner.

01:55:23.000 They would have had him on that all day, man.

01:55:25.000 So that's what I was most worried about.

01:55:27.000 No matter what happens, if there's a Democrat that wins the next election, if there's a Democrat administration, all that stuff is back on the table.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, I mean, he would have to...

01:55:36.000 And that's an interesting thing because I was saying to myself, what's he going to do when he's out?

01:55:39.000 Would he preemptively pardon himself?

01:55:41.000 I don't know what he would do.

01:55:43.000 It is hilarious, though, that the attorney general for New York literally basically did the same thing that he did, and they wrote a thing to the Department of Justice because she was committing mortgage fraud, which is hilarious.

01:55:55.000 All right.

01:55:56.000 Rizzi says, you missed the point of the Super Chat, Tim.

01:55:58.000 Why are we screening immigrant social media for anti-Semitism but not anti-American sentiment?

01:56:03.000 No one disagrees. 0.99

01:56:05.000 That is hypocritical. 0.96

01:56:08.000 My point is, I don't care if you're Canadian or British either. 0.98

01:56:13.000 If the Trump administration takes issue with you and considers you a threat, I would say this.

01:56:20.000 Then you can leave.

01:56:21.000 And I will also add, I do think there's a degree of criticism to be levied at foreigners who come to the United States to do politics.

01:56:28.000 And I'm friends with many of these Canadians who have done this.

01:56:32.000 But I'm still going to tell them, like, isn't it funny that you're Canadian?

01:56:35.000 You came here to do politics in America?

01:56:37.000 How about we give a shout-out to Ian Miles Chong, right?

01:56:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:40.000 I mean, to be fair, I'm going to give him credit where it's due.

01:56:42.000 He's really good at what he does.

01:56:44.000 But he's from Malaysia, and he's never been here.

01:56:47.000 Like, he's been here once, because I actually made fun of him.

01:56:49.000 I said, bro, you haven't even been here.

01:56:52.000 You're, like, out in the Middle Asia somewhere. 0.98

01:56:54.000 I think he lives in the UAE now.

01:56:55.000 But yeah, he's only been here, like, once.

01:56:58.000 Like, in 2014.

01:56:59.000 Like, he wasn't here since Obama was in.

01:57:01.000 Yeah.

01:57:01.000 Basically.

01:57:01.000 And I was like, dude, like, what the fuck?

01:57:02.000 Like, whatever. 0.99

01:57:04.000 You've got people who don't live here who do politics here.

01:57:06.000 Now, to be fair, he's allowed to.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, yeah, sure.

01:57:09.000 Because he's not here.

01:57:10.000 If he came here, I'd be like, bro.

01:57:13.000 You know?

01:57:13.000 But to be fair, there is a certain degree of people are allowed to come here, become residents and citizens, and engage in politics.

01:57:23.000 My issue, first thing I will say is, obviously, they're targeting Israel on this one. 0.64

01:57:29.000 The people they're going after have criticized Israel and they're screening for anti-Semitism.

01:57:32.000 That is clear bias.

01:57:34.000 Obviously.

01:57:36.000 A lot of times it's not even anti-Semitism.

01:57:37.000 It's being critical of Israel.

01:57:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:40.000 Well, that's what I mean.

01:57:41.000 Critical of Israel is listed under the...

01:57:43.000 Yeah, they're changing the rules.

01:57:44.000 A Semite is a desert person. 1.00

01:57:46.000 That's what the term means.

01:57:47.000 But just to clarify, what is it, the UHRA, I believe?

01:57:49.000 Yeah, the International Holocaust Remembrance Association.

01:57:52.000 IHRA.

01:57:52.000 Basically, they define anti-Semitism, but here's the problem.

01:57:55.000 If you go on the website, Tim, you can look at this.

01:57:56.000 It literally says, working definition of anti-Semitism, which means they reserve the right to change the definition at any time, dude.

01:58:02.000 That's why I have such a problem with this.

01:58:04.000 Right, and so the U.S. said they're going to screen for anti-Semitism, but that includes denying the right of Jews to a homeland?

01:58:11.000 That's considered being anti-Semitic?

01:58:12.000 They're expanding it to criticism of Israel, which if they haven't already done that, but criticism of Israel now is considered anti-Semitism.

01:58:18.000 It also says in the definition, saying things like Jews killed Jesus is anti-Semitism?

01:58:23.000 Yeah, they're trying to ban the scripture too, yeah.

01:58:25.000 Which is literally in the Bible.

01:58:28.000 I'm going to butcher it, so I'm going to spare getting into it, but it was a pilot, I believe, said something like the blood is on your hands.

01:58:34.000 Oh yeah.

01:58:35.000 In the Bible it says that.

01:58:36.000 Pilate.

01:58:36.000 Pontius Pilate says it to the people.

01:58:38.000 To which they respond, yes, the blood is on our hands and our children.

01:58:41.000 They wanted, you know, Jesus dead.

01:58:43.000 Oh, it's so horrible.

01:58:44.000 I feel like it was a Roman scythe. 0.93

01:58:45.000 But that's in the Bible.

01:58:46.000 I mean, I'm not Roman scythe.

01:58:47.000 And here's the thing that's crazy about this, Tim.

01:58:49.000 Like, this organization isn't an American organization.

01:58:52.000 It's an international organization that is making the definition up for a root word that is used in American legislation.

01:58:58.000 That's a big problem, too.

01:59:00.000 I think there's going to be...

01:59:01.000 So the first thing I think is...

01:59:03.000 There's an immediate challenge with, look, there's a lot of Canadians who come to the United States to do politics. 0.99

01:59:09.000 Oh, dude, a lot of them come here.

01:59:10.000 Another thing, so many Canadians come here and overstay their visas or overstay their visa waiver, and they're here illegally. 0.99

01:59:15.000 We have so many illegal Canadians here. 1.00

01:59:17.000 It's insane.

01:59:18.000 A lot of people don't know about it.

01:59:19.000 And so I do think, to varying degrees, I don't really care.

01:59:22.000 Seth Rogen's Canadian, right?

01:59:24.000 I think he's Canadian.

01:59:25.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:59:25.000 A lot of them are dual citizens.

01:59:26.000 I don't really...

01:59:27.000 Right, right.

01:59:28.000 They may have become citizens.

01:59:29.000 Yeah.

01:59:30.000 I don't really care all that much about, you know, Seth Rogen.

01:59:33.000 You've got liberal and conservatives.

01:59:35.000 He's Canadian.

01:59:36.000 Stephen Crowder.

01:59:37.000 Is Stephen Crowder Canadian?

01:59:38.000 He's a dual citizen.

01:59:39.000 Dual citizen? 0.72

01:59:40.000 Yeah.

01:59:40.000 Viva Fry came here from Canada.

01:59:41.000 We like Viva.

01:59:42.000 Yeah, Viva's awesome. 0.60

01:59:43.000 I think there's a fair criticism to anybody who's a foreigner who comes here and gets involved in politics, but there's a degree of tolerance.

01:59:49.000 I do think that the Trump administration is heavily biased towards Israel, and that's why they're arresting these people. 0.57

01:59:54.000 It's very obvious that it's about Israel.

01:59:57.000 But I do think that if the administration wants to deport any one of them...

02:00:01.000 Goodbye!

02:00:03.000 That includes Seth Rogen.

02:00:04.000 That includes Viva.

02:00:05.000 And Viva's a friend and he's a great person.

02:00:06.000 But if the Trump administration said, we don't like that you came here as a guest and began running a political show, interfering with our processes, and said he was going to get out, I'd say, man, sorry.

02:00:16.000 See, I would fight for Viva because I think he should, like, I don't know if he's a green card holder and I don't know his exact status, but I think, like, you know, that freedom of speech is why we're the best country, man.

02:00:25.000 Even if I disagree with them, I think we need to protect their ability to say what they want to say, especially when it comes to political speech.

02:00:31.000 To be fair, there's a moral line.

02:00:34.000 Viva's pro-America.

02:00:35.000 He's not anti-America.

02:00:37.000 He wants what's better for America.

02:00:38.000 So...

02:00:39.000 There's a moral issue, not a principle issue.

02:00:41.000 And even, I'll take it a step further, even if an Israeli came here and said, well, you know what? 0.90

02:00:44.000 I hate Palestine and I think X, Y, Z about the Palestinians. 1.00

02:00:47.000 I would still fight for their right to say that, even though I dislike the state of Israel and what they're doing. 0.99

02:00:52.000 I would even fight for that Israeli's ability to say that because I think the freedom of speech is, that is what differentiates us from all these other shitty-ass countries. 0.96

02:00:59.000 I truly do think we're the best country in the world because of the First Amendment. 0.94

02:01:02.000 And that's why our forefathers, you know, traversed the Atlantic Ocean through scurvy.

02:01:05.000 Now, I did call it Blackest Panther, but much due respect, he says, I appreciate the discussion.

02:01:08.000 Of course, Tim.

02:01:09.000 Tremendous respect.

02:01:10.000 I do appreciate your chat as well.

02:01:11.000 He's one of my guys.

02:01:12.000 Shout out to him.

02:01:13.000 And I appreciate your appreciation, and I'm glad that we're able to have these conversations, especially.

02:01:17.000 See, we love free speech, man.

02:01:19.000 Yeah, I just...

02:01:21.000 My point is America first. 0.91

02:01:25.000 I see your perspective.

02:01:26.000 America first.

02:01:27.000 There's people that are pissed off with the American war machine that are very pro-American values, and if those people get caught up and ejected because they complained about our military tactics in the Middle East, that's a big concern to me.

02:01:37.000 I don't want to be involved in the Middle East. 1.00

02:01:39.000 I just get offended by, like, it's a scale.

02:01:43.000 Your perspective is, you just don't want foreigners coming in here telling us what to do, which I completely see your perspective. 1.00

02:01:48.000 But there's a moral sliding scale, right?

02:01:50.000 And Viva Frye and I agree on most things, so I'm happy that he's here.

02:01:55.000 He's helping me.

02:01:56.000 But I do respect the concept of, you can create political conflict by allowing foreigners to come in. 1.00

02:02:00.000 But at the same time, Seth Rogen's here as well, and I feel that the political impact of the liberal...

02:02:05.000 You know, view of Canadians and British people.

02:02:07.000 Like, John Oliver's here. 1.00

02:02:08.000 I don't want John Oliver to be deported because he's a scumbag and a liar or whatever. 1.00

02:02:12.000 I mean... 1.00

02:02:13.000 But maybe.

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02:02:35.000 Yeah, man.

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02:04:47.000 We make fun of them all day if we wanted to.

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02:04:51.000 Oh, okay.

02:04:52.000 So who did 9-11?

02:04:53.000 The Jews did 9-11. 0.99

02:04:54.000 No, I'm just kidding.

02:04:55.000 It was the Jews! 0.91

02:04:56.000 No, I'm just kidding. 0.96

02:04:58.000 So what I always say with this, right, because I think this is a fine line where you can't be an artistic retard with this. 1.00

02:05:03.000 It was a combination of different people because I get mad when people say, it's the Jews! 0.89

02:05:07.000 Like, to say that is disingenuous.

02:05:09.000 It was a combination.

02:05:10.000 It was the deep state.

02:05:11.000 The Saudis, the Al-Qaeda, and Israel. 0.80

02:05:16.000 All of them working kind of together or unbeknownst to each other together to facilitate the attack.

02:05:21.000 And there's multiple different angles on it.

02:05:23.000 Because I did like a whole deep dive with Ryan Dawson about 9-11.

02:05:25.000 But I think the angle that no one ever talks about is the Israeli angle. 0.98

02:05:29.000 But just to say that the Jews is disingenuous, lazy, and cheap. 0.99

02:05:32.000 So they were a component, but they weren't the only component. 0.96

02:05:34.000 Just like with JFK. 0.51

02:05:36.000 When people say, the Jews killed JFK.

02:05:37.000 It's like, not really.

02:05:38.000 Like, they were involved, but there were other...

02:05:40.000 Parties as well that wanted JFK gone.

02:05:42.000 So what happened?

02:05:42.000 9-11, they lined the buildings?

02:05:44.000 I'm wondering.

02:05:44.000 They lined the buildings with explosives to blow the supports and then they used it?

02:05:48.000 So sure.

02:05:48.000 I could go through this.

02:05:49.000 I'm going to go through it.

02:05:51.000 I'll go through it very abbreviated because there's so much here.

02:05:55.000 But the long story short is this, right?

02:05:57.000 Because everyone always talks about the Al-Qaeda angle, etc.

02:06:00.000 The thing is this.

02:06:01.000 So the buildings, right?

02:06:03.000 It's important to know who bought it right before.

02:06:04.000 A guy named Larry Silverstein, funny enough.

02:06:07.000 Silverstein.

02:06:07.000 Silverstein, he's a Jew.

02:06:08.000 He went ahead and bought the World Trade Center months before it went down.

02:06:12.000 Now, a lot of people say, oh, well, it was a controlled demolition.

02:06:15.000 The reason why we know it was a controlled demolition was not just the Twin Towers going down perfectly, but if you look at Building 7, it was literally textbook.

02:06:22.000 You know, controlled demolition because it went down perfectly and evenly.

02:06:25.000 And you're going to talk about this when you go on with Richard Gage.

02:06:28.000 He talks about this in detail where him and like 3,000 engineers literally say, yeah, it's a controlled demolition.

02:06:32.000 Now people say, well, how do we know it's a controlled demolition?

02:06:35.000 What happened?

02:06:35.000 Well, it's important to know that the World Trade Center...

02:06:38.000 Prior to the purchase, when Larry Silverstein bought it, it had a huge asbestos problem, and it wasn't fully rented out.

02:06:45.000 Now, when it comes to commercial loans and getting a loan on commercial property, because I'm a real estate investor myself, when it's commercial, it's based on how much the building cash flows, how much money it makes.

02:06:53.000 Typically, when you get a loan, you get a loan based on how much it produces.

02:06:56.000 So he was able to get a very strange, peculiar loan that not only was a commercial loan, which is hard to get if it's not cash flowing, but he also was able to get terrorism insurance on it.

02:07:04.000 And people say, well, Myron, that's because of 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

02:07:07.000 And Ramzi Youssef, etc., did that.

02:07:10.000 But that's not just the only thing.

02:07:11.000 He got this terrorism insurance, and he only put down a portion of money on the deal.

02:07:15.000 Ended up getting one of the biggest insurance payouts.

02:07:17.000 Now, people say, well, how do you know?

02:07:19.000 Well, we know that Israeli intelligence assets were in the World Trade Center before it went down.

02:07:23.000 We had the E-11 team that were there, like, you know, doing, you know, being students.

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