Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump To Deploy National Guard To Portland, Antifa Has Been WIPED OUT | Timcast IRL

00:02:38.000 Donald Trump is considering deploying the National Guard into Portland to end 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots.

00:02:46.000 Did you guys know that that there's been this ongoing unrest in Portland?

00:02:50.000 Well, I mean, you may have, but you don't really care, because the truth is it's not really that influential or impactful.

00:02:58.000 And uh I realized something today.

00:03:01.000 When we are talking about, you know, what's the news?

00:03:03.000 The top story on Daily Mail earlier was that tuberculosis is on the rise.

00:03:07.000 And that's that's bad.

00:03:08.000 But it's like a local story out of Maine, and I'm like, wow, is it the best they got?

00:03:12.000 Why does it feel like the news is so slow?

00:03:14.000 Something seems off.

00:03:16.000 Now I've been directly involved in on the ground news for about 15 years, and then I realized this is the first time in my career riot season is just not there.

00:03:28.000 And and we talked a little bit about it as we were we're getting ready and doing pre-production like, well, there was the LA stuff.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, and then Trump sent in the military. 0.87

00:03:35.000 And now there's nothing.

00:03:37.000 And we're into September with kids back in school at college.

00:03:41.000 And every year that I have been doing this, there has been a riot season until now.

00:03:48.000 Why is that?

00:03:50.000 Is it that sending in the National Guard and the Marines was extremely effective?

00:03:54.000 Or as many who are sitting here pointing out, maybe that once USAID money was gone, the NGOs and organizations that were funding and organizing these riots and protests are gone.

00:04:05.000 So no one's doing anything anymore.

00:04:07.000 Thus, it's a slow new season.

00:04:15.000 But with all that being said, Trump is still deploying uh deploying National Guard potentially Chicago and Portland.

00:04:22.000 I think it's working.

00:04:23.000 I think it's working.

00:04:24.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:04:24.000 Then we do have some other big news.

00:04:26.000 Speaker Johnson said Trump's an FBI informant.

00:04:29.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 He said on the issue of Epstein.

00:04:31.000 Trump was an Epstein uh FBI informant.

00:04:34.000 Which is interesting because maybe that was a slip-up he shouldn't have said.

00:04:38.000 Maybe the issue Trump is concerned about.

00:04:40.000 And I'm not saying it's definitive, but could it be that it these documents will reveal Trump has been secretly working with the FBI for decades and snitching on powerful individuals.

00:04:51.000 Could that be really, really bad for him and his business deals and the Trump organization?

00:04:56.000 Maybe.

00:04:57.000 We don't know for sure.

00:04:58.000 But we will talk about that.

00:04:59.000 And oh boy, there was one of the biggest ice raids ever on a on a Hyundai factory.

00:05:04.000 Guys, 475 illegals arrested.

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00:05:10.000 These are illegal immigrant Koreans building cars in this country. 1.00

00:05:14.000 I knew it.

00:05:15.000 I've been saying this.

00:05:16.000 Anyway, we'll talk about that.

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00:08:32.000 We're having a great debate this morning about the National Guard, but we're joined by Doug Wilson.

00:08:36.000 Hey.

00:08:37.000 Who are you?

00:08:37.000 What do you do?

00:08:38.000 I'm a pastor from North Idaho, and I was here to speak at NatCon, and we have a church plant in DC.

00:08:44.000 I'll be preaching there on Sunday and in between times.

00:08:47.000 We thought we'd come up here and visit you all.

00:08:49.000 We were having a really interesting discussion this morning about the National Guard deployment.

00:08:52.000 We're having a debate with this liberal guy and the issue of Christian nationalism and theocracy came up.

00:08:57.000 So I think a discussion of what this country should do, where we're going.

00:09:00.000 I thought I think it'll be interesting.

00:09:02.000 So it's it's great to have you.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:09:03.000 Absolutely.

00:09:03.000 Ian is hanging out.

00:09:04.000 I am, man.

00:09:05.000 This is so cool.

00:09:05.000 I've been thinking a lot about this too, because I'm sort of been lately like Americanism's kind of like the new religion.

00:09:10.000 It's like um like after Christianity, it turned we we kept some of the virtues and we got rid of some of the sins like pride and but it's very interesting how they they're so connected, you know, Christianity and being an American.

00:09:22.000 Yeah.

00:09:23.000 Great conversation.

00:09:24.000 Good to see you.

00:09:25.000 Doug, and I'm about to tweet it out.

00:09:27.000 We also got Phil.

00:09:28.000 Hello, everybody.

00:09:28.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:09:29.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.

00:09:31.000 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:09:33.000 Let's get into it.

00:09:34.000 Here's let's go for the news, my friends.

00:09:36.000 We've got this from the post-millennial.

00:09:38.000 Trump considers deploying National Guard to Portland after 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots.

00:09:44.000 Quote, these are paid terrorists.

00:09:46.000 If we go to Portland, we're going to wipe them out.

00:09:49.000 It's a bold statement, but there is something interesting in this.

00:09:53.000 Even though they've been ongoing for 80 days, nobody really cares because they're not doing anything.

00:09:57.000 I mean, there was that one video where the local resident that black woman was was upset saying they're banging pots and pans.

00:10:02.000 But a bunch of, you know, like a couple dozen leftists banging pots and pants is a local news issue.

00:10:08.000 It's it's it's not widespread national protests.

00:10:11.000 I'm gonna go ahead and say, I think Trump sending an ICE, shutting down USAID and deploying deploying the National Guard into the LA riots has basically shut the left up.

00:10:22.000 And I don't know, maybe it's the calm before the storm, but it feels like Antifa is gone.

00:10:28.000 It's just it's just gone.

00:10:29.000 And so are the Proud Boys only it's sort of the fear of the proud the whole fear of like domestic terrorism is kind of gone.

00:10:35.000 It's more about illegal immigration and and the domestic terrorism that could come from something like that, like an Iranian, you know, sleeper cell or something like that.

00:10:44.000 I'm not sure that does that qualify as domestic if it's someone's Iran that comes in illegal or that had come in illegally a couple years back.

00:10:51.000 I don't know.

00:10:52.000 Are they funded by Iran at American citizens?

00:10:55.000 I don't think that that counts as as domestic.

00:10:57.000 But to your point, the I don't know that the uh everything going on with the Proud Boys has anything to do with the administration.

00:11:05.000 I think the Proud Boys are actually reactionaries, they're a reaction to all the stuff that was going on with Antifa.

00:11:12.000 I mean, Antifa was really out of hand.

00:11:15.000 It wasn't just the summer of love, that was kind of like the the apex of it.

00:11:19.000 But you know, they had been going after Ben Shapiro and going after Milo in 2015, 2016.

00:11:26.000 There were people showing up.

00:11:28.000 That was when Punchanazi was such a prevalent phrase that you heard on the left.

00:11:32.000 It was like, you know, go go out there and make these people stop talking and shut them up.

00:11:37.000 And that was when the the conversation about the freedom of speech, like whether it was something that the United States is worth, you know, the United States should be protecting.

00:11:45.000 You know, whether it was worth it or not, because the argument from the left was always, oh, there's all these vulnerable communities and all these poor people are getting harmed by by people speaking and having these sharing these bad thoughts.

00:11:56.000 So I I don't think that I don't think that Antifa is or I'm sorry, I I don't think that that the Proud Boys have much to do with it, because like I said, they were a reaction to, you know, six, seven years of Antifa literally going out and causing massive problems all over the country.

00:12:14.000 One of the things that's important to remember here, and what I think is behind this is in Ecclesiastes it says where justice is not speedily executed upon the criminal, there the heart of man is filled to do evil.

00:12:25.000 In other words, deterrence works.

00:12:28.000 Strength works.

00:12:29.000 If if Trump says I'm not gonna put up with this nonsense, and we're gonna send to the National Guard, and the and in uh Washington, DC, and the crime rate plummets, people notice, right?

00:12:41.000 And uh Portland and Seattle, I'm that's out in my neck of the woods.

00:12:45.000 Portland's just a day's drive away.

00:12:48.000 Seattle is just five hours away.

00:12:49.000 The out west, the idea of close is hilarious.

00:12:52.000 Oh, it's close, it's only a day's drive.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, it's just a day's drive.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, sorry about that.

00:12:55.000 Um so the the blue state, the blue city governors have been basically making their cities unlivable.

00:13:03.000 Uh down downtown Seattle and particularly downtown Portland are just unlivable.

00:13:09.000 And so uh, and it's not just Antifa, it's not just the activists, it's also the homeless and the just the lack of any kind of societal discipline.

00:13:20.000 And Trump is simply saying we're not gonna put up with it anymore.

00:13:23.000 And surprise, deterrence works.

00:13:26.000 If you don't have the funding from USAID, and bad things are going to happen to you if you start throwing bricks through the windows, then look.

00:13:35.000 I'm curious about the you mentioned USAID.

00:13:38.000 What is you know, what is your opinion about how much USAID had uh had been influencing the protests and and all of the things that were going on?

00:13:48.000 Because to be honest with you, and the reason I say this is like before before Trump, right, before 2016, 2015, 2016, I knew there were people that would protest.

00:13:59.000 I mean, obviously there was the Michael Brown protest in Ferguson and all the all the riots and and that.

00:14:05.000 But I don't think that there was as much pushback on just the right more so broadly, right?

00:14:13.000 Like I you didn't see people going after speakers on college campuses.

00:14:17.000 You didn't see people going after um, you know, after after anyone that was considered conservative.

00:14:22.000 Do you think that the USAID money and and influence do you think that that was a major factor in what was going on then?

00:14:30.000 Or do you think that that was that it's just a coincidence that after USAID has been kind of shut down that the No, I think it's a major play.

00:14:38.000 I think it has been a major player um funding all kinds of different activism.

00:14:43.000 So sometimes when things were calmer, they would they would fund AstroTurf protests and that sort of thing.

00:14:51.000 Um but not violent.

00:14:53.000 Uh but then the violent protests when you when something happens and all of a sudden pallets of bricks are dropped off.

00:15:00.000 I mean, somebody's funding that.

00:15:02.000 Uh there's there's a uh follow it's a follow the money thing.

00:15:06.000 Always follow the money.

00:15:07.000 And so I think that it it was uh was a major player, and you cut the supply line, and one of the principles of war is you cut the supply lines, and I think what that's what Trump has done is he's cut the supply line.

00:15:20.000 Well, with uh I agree with you about harsh cracking down on crime right away, otherwise it gets out of hand.

00:15:25.000 And I thought the summer of love they called it those riots that just kind of got out of control.

00:15:30.000 And then three days later and no National Guard presence, I'm like first day I was working with Tim and I was like, where's the National Guard, bro?

00:15:36.000 What the fuck's going on?

00:15:37.000 And uh it took a while, and we saw the response to that.

00:15:40.000 But the problem here that I I'm having internally is that this doesn't seem like an acute problem.

00:15:45.000 This isn't a riot that needs to be put down.

00:15:47.000 It's not like an acute issue that needs to be stomped down by the by the National Guard.

00:15:51.000 It's like chronic crime that's like a forever problem.

00:15:55.000 What's temporary sending the National Guard to cities other than DC?

00:15:58.000 DC they have jurisdiction, but like it's he's talking about the attacks on ice, the ICE um the the ICE agents who are uh arresting illegals being attacked.

00:16:08.000 Um so he's not I don't think he's trying to fix crime generally.

00:16:12.000 Um he may have been in with DC.

00:16:15.000 Oh, so you're saying his the intention for sending Marines or National Guard is it Marines and National Guard?

00:16:20.000 Is that what's being sent?

00:16:21.000 Yeah, so the the Marines that were deployed in LA, they were only allowed to protect federal buildings.

00:16:27.000 They can't enforce domestic laws.

00:16:28.000 So the strategy that Trump has largely employed was by having them there, criminals are scared because if you engage military, they can respond, they can defend themselves.

00:16:39.000 So the idea is basically like, hey, don't mess around while these guys are here.

00:16:43.000 Did they give an like an end date for taking the feds out, or is it just like until violent violence decreases uh there it's this is interesting because I think recently there was a stay on the restrictions Trump is allowed to keep operating the National Guard in California.

00:16:58.000 Uh I think it worked.

00:16:59.000 I think uh we're dealing with an unprecedented, I shouldn't say unprecedented, but a generational calm, at least in my my adult life.

00:17:08.000 I mean, in my in my teen years, you had obviously the you you had the the riots and the protests around George W. Bush with Obama, you got uh Occupy.

00:17:17.000 Uh even Obama's second term, you still had protests and riots.

00:17:20.000 You had the the BLM emerged during Obama's presidency, and then in 2014 escalating into, of course, the Ferguson riots.

00:17:28.000 Then we got Friday Gray Baltimore.

00:17:30.000 It never stopped.

00:17:32.000 Right.

00:17:33.000 Until this year.

00:17:33.000 2014.

00:17:35.000 Until this year.

00:17:35.000 When the It's gotta be USAID.

00:17:37.000 USAID money came into to domestic issues was 2014.

00:17:40.000 I'm sure it was like during Vietnam and stuff, they were doing that with whatever organization they were using at the time.

00:17:45.000 When I was a teenager, it was the 68 Detroit riots.

00:17:48.000 So it was like real quick, let me ask you, uh, how how old are you?

00:17:52.000 72.

00:17:53.000 So you you're you've you've you've seen a lot in the political space.

00:17:57.000 Right.

00:17:58.000 When I'm a teenager in the 2000s, we had all the anti war protests.

00:18:02.000 So the moment I'm, you know, I I'm growing up and I'm starting to see the political uh stuff.

00:18:07.000 I I remember 2000 with the George Bush Al Gore stuff, but I didn't really pay attention to it.

00:18:11.000 Right.

00:18:12.000 I was watching Simpson's reruns on Fox, you know, at 10 o'clock or whatever.

00:18:16.000 And then they'd mention we're gonna tonight on 11 o'clock news, and I'm like, I don't know.

00:18:19.000 Then I'm like 17, 18, and people are marching in the streets.

00:18:23.000 From this point, there's always been a protest and riot season and activism.

00:18:28.000 Was it like this before the 2000s?

00:18:30.000 Were w were there periods where there nobody was riding, there was no protests?

00:18:34.000 Yes, there were there were periods that there were riot seasons, right?

00:18:38.000 Like in 68, there was a there'd be periodic outbursts.

00:18:43.000 Generally back then it was uh racial.

00:18:45.000 But it was like every summer there was some kind of No, not every summer.

00:18:49.000 So it'd be um there'd be periods of calm and then there'd be pent-up energy and there'd be uh uh uh but you mean like years of calm.

00:18:57.000 There'd be years of calm, yeah.

00:18:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:59.000 So I I guess my point is uh in in my whole life, we haven't had that until now.

00:19:04.000 Right.

00:19:05.000 Which is why I'm like something feels weird.

00:19:07.000 I was I went to the Daily Mail today, I was reading the news, and their top story said outbreak of the world's deadliest disease, and I was like, the the picture they used was just a picture of a bay, and I was like, okay, this must be the slowest news day in a long time.

00:19:20.000 And it was a report about an increase in tuberculosis, which is kind of serious, but really in that's got kind of a local story in Maine.

00:19:27.000 Right.

00:19:27.000 Even Trump talking about the National Guard in Portland over ICE, this is a really small local protest.

00:19:33.000 And so I was, you know, I was talking to Boys about talking to my wife about it.

00:19:36.000 I'm like, this is like the first summer of my life where there's not been mass riots.

00:19:42.000 That's crazy.

00:19:43.000 What's going on?

00:19:44.000 It's gotta be USAID.

00:19:45.000 Yeah.

00:19:46.000 I think so.

00:19:46.000 Uh Ian, you you're you mentioned like 2014 or whatever.

00:19:50.000 That does coincide with the end of the or with the uh Smith Modernization Act, which we've talked about, you know, the act that allowed it, the the modernization act allowed uh State Department to disseminate pro basically propaganda for the to the American people.

00:20:05.000 And that was in the I believe it was the 2013 NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act.

00:20:12.000 So I don't know if the USAID money was being, I don't have evidence that it was, but it is a coincidence that at the same, you know, right around the same time that the Smith Want Modernization Act was signed into law, and then you saw this uptick of all this, you know, essentially, you know, tumult in the United States from the left.

00:20:36.000 Also keep in mind that the um the liberal progressive mind doesn't didn't flip a switch where it's violent all of us all of a sudden.

00:20:46.000 They have to work themselves up to it.

00:20:48.000 They have so Thomas Sowell has the subtitle of one of his books is um Vision of the Anointed, and the subtitle is self-congratulation as the basis for social policy.

00:20:59.000 Um liberals, progressives like to think of themselves as the civilized people in the room, the moral people in the room, the intelligent people in the room.

00:21:09.000 And USI USAID uh presented itself as foreign aid, you know, aid for programs overseas.

00:21:16.000 We're gonna help child, we're gonna help the children, we're gonna build democracy, we're gonna do all these um things full of sweetness and light.

00:21:24.000 But and it it became violent by degrees.

00:21:29.000 It's not something you just you don't go out to save the world, join the Peace Corps, and then overnight you turn into a a monster.

00:21:36.000 That has that has to happen slowly.

00:21:39.000 It has to be a process of corruption and uh like intellectual self-deception.

00:21:45.000 And I I believe that we got to this period of long chain of riots uh where the they talked themselves into believing they really were saving democracy, and it was the it was that famous uh the equivalent of that general statement of the Vietnam War, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

00:22:04.000 We we the liberals think they've gotten to the point where they believe they have to destroy democracy in order to save it.

00:22:10.000 I I I prefer the more uh contemporary We Did It Patrick, uh for those that aren't familiar, it is this.

00:22:15.000 We did it, Patrick, we saved the city, and it is uh SpongeBob and Patrick in a city that's on fire and everything's being destroyed.

00:22:22.000 No one's fighting anymore.

00:22:23.000 That's right, exactly.

00:22:25.000 We did it, Patrick.

00:22:26.000 That was I didn't I never heard that before about the Vietnam uh ethos.

00:22:29.000 They were like, Was that like a government thing they had to say, or was that just a couple of things?

00:22:32.000 No, that was a famous quote from a general.

00:22:34.000 They had obliterated a village, and he said, Well, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

00:22:42.000 And every okay, everybody sees on that.

00:22:44.000 And and I think that the progressives have gotten to the point where they they sincerely believe that if they fight to overturn what the people all voted for, and you know, they voted Trump in.

00:22:58.000 He's doing exactly what he said he was gonna do.

00:23:01.000 Um, well, that's obviously anti-democratic because they define democracy as getting their way.

00:23:07.000 Yeah.

00:23:07.000 I had a friend, a very close friend, who didn't like Trump 2018, 2019, it might even be tw around 2019.

00:23:14.000 And he said it's okay to use evil to defeat evil.

00:23:16.000 And I was like, doesn't that make you evil?

00:23:18.000 Isn't that the point?

00:23:18.000 Is like you don't use evil, you don't let yourself become that.

00:23:21.000 Yep.

00:23:22.000 And it was just so shocking.

00:23:23.000 He's like one of my best friends for 30 years for 40 years at that point, and it was so shocking to hear that come out of his mouth.

00:23:29.000 I I I don't I don't know if I should just be in a really good mood.

00:23:33.000 Because I was saying this like a month ago or so, uh a month or so ago.

00:23:36.000 When I was younger, my attitude was very much people care too much about sports.

00:23:41.000 They would rather watch the baseball game than care about the war and what's going on in this world, and you know, I'm protesting, I'm angry, and I'm like, you mean to tell me that Barack Obama's blowing up kids and you'd rather watch a football game.

00:23:52.000 And then I realized when everyone started caring more about politics than sports, there's a lot of stupid people who wield power in very dangerous ways.

00:24:01.000 And I'm like what you wish for.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, people need to get back to caring about sports.

00:24:05.000 A lot of people tend to then only a ball is involved.

00:24:08.000 And they treat politics like sports.

00:24:09.000 A lot of people do.

00:24:10.000 A lot of people they've called the left and the right, like the the teams, like their two teams playing for the win.

00:24:16.000 And it's like now we're sitting here on top of the hill that we feel like we've won, and it's like, what did what is winning?

00:24:20.000 It doesn't make it it means I'm not worried about going outside and having someone molotov my car.

00:24:25.000 I think it's less stressful to make it.

00:24:26.000 But there's still serious problems.

00:24:27.000 Like there's still it's significantly less in the United States, at least in the United States.

00:24:30.000 And I now grant that if you're gonna go ahead and expand your your the context to the whole world, there's always bad stuff going on somewhere in the world that you can point to and say, oh, things aren't perfect.

00:24:41.000 But in the United States, like the fact that there are not, you know, riots in every city that we haven't had massive riots, that stuff, even if it doesn't affect us as individuals, um, it affects a lot of individuals.

00:24:54.000 Like if you're you know, if you own a business and someone throws a Molotov cocktail through your window, or even just a rock through your window.

00:25:01.000 Like that's a huge hassle.

00:25:03.000 That sucks, you know, and that's that affects a lot of people.

00:25:05.000 You don't want that stuff in your society at all.

00:25:07.000 I I've been uh uh you know, I'll there's a lot of people kind of freaking out because views are way down across the board across a bunch of different podcasts, revenue is on the decline.

00:25:15.000 It's it's summer, ad rates are down, it's kind of normal.

00:25:17.000 But it is a it is an unusually low interest right now.

00:25:21.000 There's very little news to talk about Congress.

00:25:24.000 Even when Congress is in session, there's not a lot going on.

00:25:26.000 Like even the Epstein stuff is like, we get it, you know what I mean?

00:25:30.000 Like they come back from recess, and then here we are, the discharge petition and all that stuff.

00:25:34.000 And I've I've actually been uh a fairly optimistic.

00:25:38.000 Um we're we're working out a bunch of projects.

00:25:40.000 We're working on uh uh uh other news project talking about mini documentaries.

00:25:43.000 I launched a new channel at Tim Pool where uh it's kind of just an opportunity to do other content outside of this kind of this culture war that we've been entrenched in.

00:25:52.000 And um the culture war show debate show we're doing is is more evergreen political debates.

00:25:57.000 We're actually talking with some networks about doing full seasons and getting funding, and I'm like, man, it's actually a great opportunity for business development.

00:26:04.000 It's new and exciting, and I don't have to worry about far leftist smashing things and you know, I like kind of seems like we at least have 90% of the battlefield at this point, and the left has just totally been washed out.

00:26:18.000 I mean, Cracker Barrel, Bud Light, Target, uh uh even Hooters is trying to rebrand to be family friendly now.

00:26:26.000 Did you guys see that story?

00:26:27.000 No, what happened?

00:26:27.000 They're changing they're getting uh good.

00:26:30.000 No, no, yeah, Hooters announced that they're gonna do a rebrand to try and be more of a family-friendly location, and I'm like, change your name.

00:26:35.000 Yes.

00:26:36.000 Or make a full owl.

00:26:37.000 Like for gonna be a good one.

00:26:38.000 I mean it is an owl.

00:26:39.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 With bigger eyes, yeah.

00:26:42.000 Man, uh you know, there's a there's a story we have pulled up that we'll get to in a little bit, uh, about how Gen Z men don't believe in gender equality, whatever that means.

00:26:51.000 They believe more in gender roles.

00:26:54.000 Young men are skewing more religious, they're more likely to be conservative.

00:26:57.000 This shift, I think, is resulting like we You know, I'll put it this way.

00:27:02.000 My prediction was first, because of the low birth rates of the 2000s and the financial crisis, that uh we were going to one, we're gonna have a population cultural crisis.

00:27:12.000 I believe that's going to happen.

00:27:13.000 But another component of that that I've been talking about for years is that it was largely liberals who weren't having kids and religious conservatives were.

00:27:20.000 That means do the math.

00:27:22.000 If liberals don't have kids and conservatives do, give it twenty years, and you've got a generation that is more likely to be conservative and religious.

00:27:28.000 And I think that's what we're seeing.

00:27:30.000 And I think one of the reasons, not just the deployment of troops, but one of the reasons why riot season may be simmering down and why it's probably gonna go away, there aren't enough children of leftist ideology anymore.

00:27:41.000 They you know, people tell me, yeah, but the universities are indoctrinating conservatives' children.

00:27:45.000 Yes, but that is fleeting.

00:27:47.000 Uh parents will always have more influence than universities.

00:27:51.000 Some kids from conservative families will go leftist, but it's not a guarantee.

00:27:55.000 Now, if you're born to a purple haired pair of moms, or I should say if you're born, you know, surrogacy or whatever to two dads or whatever, you're likely going to you're more likely to hold that ideology to be leftist.

00:28:07.000 On the college thing, keep in mind that the colleges across the country are about to go off a demographic cliff.

00:28:13.000 Yeah.

00:28:14.000 Because and a number of them are going to go under.

00:28:17.000 So the the model of everybody and his dog go to college is not sustainable to use the term from uh from the left.

00:28:25.000 And uh so you're not gonna have as many kids to indoctrinate anymore.

00:28:30.000 Uh what you're saying is very true in my experience.

00:28:34.000 The liberals have 1.7 children so they can have something to put into daycare.

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:38.000 And in the church that I pastor, um, it's four, five, six, seven kids are normal.

00:28:44.000 It's it's w for out, you know, you're you described yourself, uh do you describe yourself as Christian nationalists?

00:28:49.000 Yes, I do.

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 It's way better for you than you realize.

00:28:53.000 When you look at the fertility rates among uh younger millennials and Gen Z, which is the the principal uh um fertility years for young women, it is estimated between 0.3 and 0.8 among uh in general.

00:29:07.000 Now, this is of course because liberals have none and conservatives have one.

00:29:11.000 It's worth pointing out too um political affiliation is actually pretty heritable.

00:29:16.000 Like if you have if you're ca if you're a conservative, you're likely to have kids that are conservative.

00:29:20.000 They might rebel when they're young, but by the time they reach adulthood, they're probably going to be similar political.

00:29:27.000 Real quick to your point, when you're saying you're seeing like four and five kids, yeah, the the parents are probably what in their like early 30s?

00:29:33.000 Uh the 20s, actually, some of them.

00:29:35.000 Oh my god.

00:29:36.000 Uh 20s and 30s.

00:29:37.000 So I'm I've got three kids.

00:29:39.000 I have 18 grandkids.

00:29:41.000 Congratulations.

00:29:42.000 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 I've got four great grandchildren.

00:29:45.000 Wow.

00:29:45.000 And one more great grandchild on the way.

00:29:48.000 So my wife and I are just a humble couple, and we have multiple descendants, and my my kids, one kid has five, another kid has five, the other has eight.

00:29:59.000 So you're how old is your oldest great grandchild?

00:30:03.000 My oldest great grandchild is two.

00:30:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:30:06.000 We were having a conversation about this.

00:30:08.000 Um, there's a viral social media post where someone said, it was someone posted, my grandfather gifted me his PlayStation One.

00:30:16.000 What do you think about these games?

00:30:17.000 Do you have any recommendations?

00:30:18.000 And then someone responded with, Your grandfather, is this a rage bait?

00:30:22.000 And this because like you're trying you're intentionally trying to antagonize the millennials or whatever.

00:30:27.000 And uh the person responded with, my father was twenty-eight when he got the the PlayStation uh one when it came out.

00:30:34.000 He had his first he my dad was born, uh uh my dad was eight years old when my grandfather got this.

00:30:40.000 He had my dad at 20, my dad had me at 20, I'm now 18, and my grandfather is 40 years older than me.

00:30:46.000 Which was like totally normal until eighty years ago or something.

00:30:49.000 So if you go back a hundred, two hundred years, it was not uncommon for a grandparent to live with their great great grandchild.

00:30:55.000 Right.

00:30:55.000 Because if you if you're going on an average of like twenty or so years, you start early.

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:00.000 You're you're 20 of your first kid, you're 40 your first grandkid, 60 your first great grandkid, by the time you're 80, your great great grandchild is there.

00:31:05.000 I was thinking about life extension and how it might be possible for people to live till they're 200, and then all of a sudden you're gonna be the same biological age as your great great great great grandchild, and you're both gonna look at each other like you're both 30 year olds with healthy genetics.

00:31:17.000 That movie with um Justin Timberlake and uh Olivia Wilde.

00:31:21.000 I didn't see that everybody stops aging at 30 or something.

00:31:24.000 Is the time where they have one of the worst movies I've ever seen, by the way, but the idea was that Once you once once you invent genetic immortality, they had to create a way to facilitate dying, and so time is money and it's on your arm, and the movie's really bad, but it's an interesting idea.

00:31:42.000 So jumping back to the point you made about uh the uh Gen Z becoming more religious, more conservative.

00:31:50.000 Uh one of the things I like to say uh observe is that in the long run, stupidity never works.

00:31:57.000 And there um human beings have a need for the transcendent.

00:32:03.000 You you can't treat human society like we're all rats in a maze, and there is nothing above the maze.

00:32:09.000 Uh uh it says in Ecclesiastes again, God has put eternity in our hearts.

00:32:15.000 Uh we want to matter.

00:32:17.000 We want to mean something.

00:32:19.000 Yep.

00:32:19.000 And you can't have your meaning assigned to you by Congress or by the media.

00:32:24.000 That that's not sufficient.

00:32:26.000 That's gonna that's gonna collapse under it any weight you try to put on it.

00:32:30.000 Uh and that that means there's a religious hunger that people have, and if you you can stifle it for a time, but we're in the middle of a massive recoil.

00:32:40.000 People are saying I need something more I need something more than this.

00:32:43.000 I I I hate to uh bring it up now for the third night in a row, but I commented on a new song by the singer Haley Williams.

00:32:49.000 She was the paramour singer, she put out an album, solo album, and in the song she put out, there's a line saying, I'm going on a paraphrase.

00:32:55.000 She's like, I'm going on 37, and I have no idea what the ever living F I'm doing here.

00:33:00.000 Does anyone know if this is normal?

00:33:02.000 And it's fascinating to hear that's like a it's like um someone is similar age to me, mid, you know, I'm 39, she's going on 37.

00:33:08.000 And I'm my response just it's not normal.

00:33:11.000 No.

00:33:11.000 Throughout human history, for thousands of years, everybody had a purpose.

00:33:17.000 They had a mandate, they knew what they were doing.

00:33:19.000 You did not have such widespread nihilism and listlessness.

00:33:23.000 Someone today I saw a video, they were like, your purpose actually is the way you make other people feel when you do what you love.

00:33:30.000 That was kind of nice.

00:33:31.000 I feel like there for the secular atheists, your purpose is to create, to organize, to to to to uh uh to work towards order.

00:33:41.000 But but the thing that that I would add to that, all this is good, but you have to have someone that's outside the human condition who approves of it.

00:33:52.000 You can't just say we're bits of protoplasm, we're just flatsum and jetsum on the ocean of being.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, I mean that's a good way to put it.

00:34:01.000 Right.

00:34:01.000 Lots of and jetsum on the ocean of being.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, I mean, uh essentially the argument that you're talking about is is you know, without some kind of foundation, then life has no meaning, right?

00:34:13.000 Like if without God or or without a spiritual anchor, then you're then there is no meaning to life.

00:34:19.000 And people can say, well, I have this meaning and I have that meaning, but if your meaning is all subjective and there's no rock that it's based on, or no serious foundation, then your subjective meaning doesn't mean anything to me.

00:34:33.000 We we we do I really want to get to this next story about the absolute thing, but I want to make one more quick point on uh uh I say it all the time, I'm not a Christian, um, but my view of divine mandate is the sim as as simplistic as simple as I can put it, which doesn't really get to the context.

00:34:49.000 No one says create order, build, grow, or quite simply be fruitful and multiply.

00:34:54.000 But there's more than just be fruitful and multiply.

00:34:56.000 There is be good stewards of the earth, protect others, and stop evil.

00:35:01.000 And evil, overly simplified is it is efforts towards destruction and chaos.

00:35:06.000 And when you took it when when you look at the leftist and liberal worldview over over at least my lifetime, they are agents of chaos.

00:35:13.000 Yeah.

00:35:13.000 They're the joker.

00:35:14.000 Push back against entropy.

00:35:16.000 Uh they they are the agents of entropy.

00:35:18.000 They they they seek to dismantle, destroy, and disrupt. 0.98

00:35:21.000 It says in in Proverbs chapter 8, Lady Wisdom is talking in Proverbs 8.

00:35:26.000 And she says, All who hate me love death.

00:35:30.000 And and this basically the whole progressive element is a death wish.

00:35:35.000 They won they want things to die, they want economies to die, they want babies to die, babies in the womb to die, they want marriage to die, they want men and women and their identity as men and women, they want all that to die.

00:35:47.000 They want it all to wither and turn brown.

00:35:49.000 Uh and let me let me add this.

00:35:51.000 I know that there's going to be liberals who say that's ridiculous.

00:35:54.000 I don't want anyone to die.

00:35:54.000 I would never think that.

00:35:56.000 Let's just step outside of the the personal feelings on the matter and take a look at the consequences of action.

00:36:01.000 Yeah.

00:36:02.000 The consequences of the modern progressive worldview is death, destruction, and chaos.

00:36:06.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 Just uh it's just listen, this this PBD, Petra Bet David, surrounded by 20 anti-capitalists was was so great because you you see them espousing an ideology where if you literally just follow the logical steps of what they're proposing, it is death, destruction, and chaos.

00:36:22.000 When they say communism, uh ca a cashless, classless society, what they're saying is you will live the way I demand it or else.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 And and the ethos they espouse is this surface layer that when you actually ask them the questions of what does it mean and how do you achieve this, they end up basically saying, I guess we have to have the killing fields again.

00:36:42.000 We we know the results of that ideology and where it leads to.

00:36:45.000 It is chaos, destruction, and disorder.

00:36:47.000 Communism killed a hundred million people.

00:36:50.000 I I I choose order over chaos, but the problem with just order is like I agree that people need a hire some something other than beyond, and but then like where do they get that from?

00:37:00.000 Do they get it from the media?

00:37:01.000 Does is it the media that tells them?

00:37:03.000 And then I've start thinking like, what is the media, man?

00:37:05.000 Media is books and television, it's whatever the information is delivered on.

00:37:09.000 I'm a preacher, so I'm gonna save the Bible. 0.65

00:37:11.000 I don't say God God did not leave us in the dark.

00:37:14.000 I I the Bible also is a piece of media.

00:37:17.000 This is what's been going on with my mind, and it's like they tell me this is like I get morals and things from movies and television.

00:37:22.000 I can learn from stories, but if a piece of media tells me this is true, I need to do research.

00:37:28.000 What what do you what do you classify?

00:37:29.000 How are you classifying the Bible as media basically?

00:37:31.000 It's just a book.

00:37:32.000 Book is like the one of the oldest forms of media.

00:37:33.000 But no, but he's not wrong.

00:37:35.000 Well, but the reason I say that is because like would stories that are handed down be considered media.

00:37:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:41.000 And the reason I ask that is because obviously the at least the first well, the most of the Bible, not all, not the new testament so much, but the first part of the Bible, the first half of the Bible, the old testament, um, not half, the old testament, was actually stories that were handed down verbally before people were writing.

00:37:56.000 And they were really like whether or not you believe in God and you believe in the literal nature of the stories in the Bible, they really do lay out a a way to live your life that will produce mostly good results for the most people if you live your life that way.

00:38:16.000 Yeah.

00:38:17.000 I think the story, like the morals from the Bible are key.

00:38:20.000 And a lot of even in movies, sometimes you'll get it, you'll see a movie and you'll be like, I'm gonna change my life.

00:38:24.000 But people won't do it if I if I get up in my own name and say, hey, my good advice, I'm I'm older guy.

00:38:31.000 Here, why don't you live in a decent way?

00:38:33.000 That's that's not authoritative enough.

00:38:37.000 So I'm just an old geezer, I'm a boomer, and I'm telling you to shape up.

00:38:40.000 Uh who needs that who needs that? 1.00

00:38:42.000 Well, there's a difference between a preacher get uh like a modernist liberal preacher getting up in the pulpit and saying, It seems to me, or on the other hand, or at the end of the day, and a conservative preacher who says stands up and says, Thus saith the Lord, the uh the Lord God Almighty who made heaven and earth, this is how he wants you to live.

00:39:02.000 And then a smart kid is gonna say, How do you how do we know that?

00:39:05.000 And I'd say, Well, I believe the Bible is inspired by God, because God who made heaven and earth did not leave us abandoned in this awful world.

00:39:14.000 The this this world is a place of where that can go to destruction, chaos, and all the rest of it.

00:39:20.000 I I actually believe it's objective that uh when you study enough about the exit the the nature of existence, the things that humans universally uh agree upon and find to be good.

00:39:31.000 What I've stated, and I got the you know, it's funny is the most pushback I get on the statement is actually coming from Christians because I suppose it is trying to like create a apply like a Christian uh moral worldview to secularism, whatever.

00:39:45.000 But my argument is when you take a look at the history of the world and the religions of the world and the civilizations of the world, pretty sure all the people here would agree we have the best one, uh, be it wealth access, the expansion of rights, and it was all built on a Christian moral tradition.

00:40:03.000 Well, all I can say for now is I certainly don't think we found the end all be all of truth in the universe.

00:40:08.000 Christians, you know, maybe you you found a component of it.

00:40:10.000 My argument is as far as I can see right now, based on what we know, there are many religions that are destructive, chaotic, and evil and uh hate each other and commit acts of violence, or promote behaviors that are destructive to life, like cousin marriage, for instance, which science has shown us already is really, really bad. 0.93

00:40:27.000 Then you take a look at the Christian moral tradition, the nations born upon it.

00:40:31.000 And they're too nice.

00:40:33.000 They they they they've been very forgiving and welcoming and open.

00:40:36.000 There's a sort of like subservience built into it, I think, that needs to be shattered for the Christian to wake awaken. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Like your lord, that that met that term, because your king was your lord, and I feel like the Roman wanted you to call him Lord, and they would be like, bow down, say my words, call me Lord, and it's the guy standing up there reading the text.

00:40:54.000 And like you want to you want people to be like Jesus.

00:40:56.000 You want them to stand up and be leaders and for their community and heal people and what what I would say uh, you know, to the point I was making previously is that there are religions today that say believe or die.

00:41:08.000 Claim it's true or else.

00:41:10.000 And that's not what we have in Christianity.

00:41:13.000 Right.

00:41:13.000 In fact, Christians are too forgiving to the evil.

00:41:17.000 And this my my criticism of of the Christians in the United States is that this was a Christian dominated nation in the 50s. 0.91

00:41:23.000 I mean it's 98% or whatever, and that's been declining because Christians don't beat people and force them and scream at them, even at the height of the of the power in the United States. 0.78

00:41:33.000 The besetting sin of evangelical Christians is that they're so sweet that diabetics can't be friends with them. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Why is from your case?

00:41:42.000 Why do you think it is fast I'm sorry, just real quick, it's fascinating how the left paints Christian Christians in this country as like an evil, fascistic, authoritarian, you know, the handmaid's tale.

00:41:52.000 And I'm like, real quick.

00:41:54.000 If that were true, they never would have given up the power they had in the majority, and they would have entrenched those laws.

00:42:00.000 They would have entrenched their faith and religion in the Constitution and the government, and they did not do that.

00:42:04.000 Yeah.

00:42:04.000 What happened the reason to answer your question?

00:42:06.000 What happens is when you are young, lean, and hungry, you're tough, and you make your money, and you've, you know, in the business sense.

00:42:15.000 And then you get uh complacent.

00:42:18.000 You know, things get are nice.

00:42:20.000 And it's the difficult uh difficult times, hard men, hard men create good times, good times create soft men.

00:42:26.000 And in Deuteronomy, it says Jeshuan waxed fat and kicked. 0.94

00:42:31.000 So what happens is uh the evangelical Christianity was a victim of its own success.

00:42:37.000 It helped create a very stable society, one of the most productive societies, and they got complacent and lazy.

00:42:44.000 And I think you're exactly right, didn't defend what they ought to have defended.

00:42:48.000 Let's jump to this story.

00:42:50.000 We'll move on from here.

00:42:52.000 I enjoy it.

00:42:53.000 We've got this story from the Daily Mail.

00:42:55.000 President Trump and FBI informants.

00:42:58.000 Speaker Mike Johnson may have just spilt the beans as to why Trump is so concerned about this Epstein story.

00:43:07.000 Super quiet.

00:43:08.000 Hold on.

00:43:08.000 He has never into is the hopes that the Democrats are using to try to attack him.

00:43:14.000 He has never said or suggested or implied.

00:43:16.000 I've talked to him about this many times, many times.

00:43:22.000 It's been misrepresented.

00:43:23.000 He's not saying that what Epstein did is a hoax.

00:43:26.000 It's a terrible, unspeakable evil.

00:43:29.000 He believes that himself.

00:43:29.000 When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maravago.

00:43:32.000 He was an FBI informant to try to take the his this stuff down.

00:43:36.000 The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who've suffered these unspeakable arms.

00:43:41.000 It's detestable to him.

00:43:42.000 He and I have spoken about this.

00:43:43.000 Now there's a couple theories on this.

00:43:45.000 One is that Mike Johnson lets slip this statement to try and protect Trump's reputation.

00:43:51.000 There's also the you know, basically, like, oh, did you know he was an FBI informant?

00:43:54.000 Stopping it.

00:43:55.000 That's why.

00:43:57.000 Or I think there's a strong possibility here.

00:43:59.000 I don't know for sure.

00:44:00.000 I'm not saying I trust Trump on any of this stuff.

00:44:02.000 Elon says he's in the files, whatever.

00:44:03.000 Let's let's get the files and figure it out.

00:44:05.000 But let's at least entertain.

00:44:07.000 Did Speaker Mike Johnson maybe accidentally just slip up that Trump was an FBI informant?

00:44:11.000 And the reason why Trump doesn't want the documents released is that they're going to show that Trump was snitching on powerful people.

00:44:18.000 That's prominent, wealthy individuals doing untoward things, and the documents are going to show that Donald Trump was a snitch.

00:44:25.000 Here's the here's the argument that I don't know, obviously.

00:44:28.000 But the argument against that would be if there was material in the Epstein files that would be damaging to Donald Trump and his business relationships, it would have been out by now.

00:44:39.000 I disagree.

00:44:40.000 The Democrats would have gotten them with it.

00:44:41.000 If it was if it was im implicative of Trump, if it if if if the documents show that Trump was doing bad things to children and underage girls, they'd have released it.

00:44:51.000 But if the documents show that Trump was working with law enforcement to stop this, that's not damaging to Trump's reputation among his voters.

00:44:58.000 It's damaging to Trump's reputation among powerful elites he needs to do deals with.

00:45:02.000 So the Democrats might be thinking it's not it's it's it's gonna help Trump.

00:45:07.000 If we leak files showing that Trump stopped Epstein, people are gonna cheer for him.

00:45:11.000 Trump may be saying, if they find out that I ran it on Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, and I was the one actually spying on him or wore a wire or did who knows what?

00:45:21.000 These people aren't gonna want to do deals with his business.

00:45:23.000 If Trump was snitching on prominent world leaders, I'm not saying he did.

00:45:27.000 I'm not saying I believe that's the case.

00:45:29.000 But it it could be an explanation.

00:45:32.000 Trump was a snitch.

00:45:34.000 He like I'm gonna put it this way.

00:45:35.000 I'm gonna paint Trump in the worst possible light in this regard.

00:45:39.000 Trump only cared about himself.

00:45:41.000 He only cared about his organization.

00:45:42.000 When he heard about what Epstein was doing, he said, This is exposure I don't need.

00:45:46.000 And when the FBI came to him about Epstein and says, I'll do whatever you want, I'll help you out.

00:45:50.000 And they say, wear a wire, give us a list of names.

00:45:52.000 What if Trump gave like gave uh ledgers from his club to the FBI?

00:45:57.000 What's gonna happen to Mar-a-Lago when all of the people who spend their 20 grand, what I think it's like 200 grand to sign up or something, maybe I'm wrong, but it's like 20 grand a year or something.

00:46:05.000 What's gonna happen when a bunch of these people find out that their names and private information were handed over to the feds as part of a criminal investigation in Epstein or to illicit activities?

00:46:14.000 What if Trump was informing more than just Epstein?

00:46:17.000 What if Trump was feeding the FBI information on tons of cases about prominent powerful elites?

00:46:23.000 That would be extremely bad for Trump's business and his dealings with powerful elites to so much so that he'd be like, we can't release this stuff.

00:46:30.000 It would destroy my family's business, that my legacy.

00:46:34.000 If people find out that I was basically a spy for the federal government against powerful elites, the populace, his voter base might be like, wow, Trump was actually trying to stop bad people.

00:46:46.000 That's not what the powerful people are gonna think, though.

00:46:48.000 They're gonna think, destroy this guy, I want revenge.

00:46:50.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know how true this is.

00:46:53.000 I'm interested in finding out more, but I will say this is actually more bel it's more believable that he was an FBI informant than that he was a KGB informant.

00:47:03.000 Like it was asserted by what's his name?

00:47:05.000 So Jonathan Shake.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, Jonathan Shade.

00:47:07.000 So I I think that that and and also it it it would be a good thing because it would prove that he's more patriotic than Jonathan Chate as well.

00:47:16.000 Um yeah, I don't I mean, I don't know that he is, obviously, and I'm I want to see more information.

00:47:20.000 Uh you know, there was uh there's a tweet going around that was I forget the guy's name, but he was he now that this has come out, there's more information kind of trickling out.

00:47:31.000 People are saying, yes, Donald Trump was an FBI informant.

00:47:33.000 Is Johnson been asked about the comment?

00:47:35.000 Has there been a follow-up?

00:47:36.000 Hey, what did you mean by that?

00:47:38.000 I think this actually just came out a couple hours ago.

00:47:40.000 I don't know if there's been enough.

00:47:41.000 Right after he says the word informant, look at his eyes, he like his eyes get real wide and he blinks.

00:47:46.000 And then a couple seconds later, oh, there's this camera.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, I just do that.

00:47:49.000 Let me play, let me play this video for you guys.

00:47:50.000 Listen to this.

00:47:51.000 You actually try to press up on Trump, but you could never get to him.

00:47:55.000 Yeah.

00:47:56.000 Because he had ex-FBI agents all around him.

00:47:59.000 All the time.

00:48:00.000 And I tried a couple of times to press him and make arrangements where I could work with him and and earn what him.

00:48:09.000 I did that with other big contractors.

00:48:11.000 I had the power of the unions.

00:48:13.000 I could do all kinds of little things, but I couldn't get to him.

00:48:17.000 He wouldn't bite.

00:48:19.000 He just wouldn't bite.

00:48:20.000 He he didn't want to do anything like that.

00:48:22.000 And there was layers of people in the middle.

00:48:25.000 One of my guys said, we'll go up the office.

00:48:27.000 I said, Well, go up to the office.

00:48:29.000 Everybody around him is an ex-FBI agent.

00:48:32.000 We'll go up the office, we'll get cuffed, and we'll go right to prison.

00:48:35.000 Wow.

00:48:36.000 So forget about Trump.

00:48:37.000 He's a legitimate guy.

00:48:39.000 He don't want to do it.

00:48:41.000 Forget about Trump.

00:48:42.000 And for context for context, that's that's Sammy the Bull Gravano.

00:48:46.000 So he's a fairly well-known organized crime guy.

00:48:51.000 What if what if a component of Trump's uh acrimony is is his anger is that he spent a lot of time thinking that he was cooperating with the feds, that he was in their good graces, and then when they betrayed him and went after him, he took it very personal.

00:49:05.000 You know, I well, firstly, so much weird stuff.

00:49:07.000 I when when he visited or someone visited Ghilaine Max, who was basically the ringleader of the whole Epstein, you call it the Maxwell files, is what it should be called. 0.62

00:49:15.000 It's it's her running this thing.

00:49:16.000 She had Jeff put her in a minimum security prison, and then a month later she says Trump never did anything toward.

00:49:21.000 I'm like, all right, that smells.

00:49:23.000 So I'm like, maybe Trump was hooking up with underage girls, and that's why it's why all of a sudden he's like, it's a hoax.

00:49:29.000 But I Think your conspiracy crazy theory might be more realistic that he because he's such an ordered candidate.

00:49:35.000 He's such like a law and order guy that he would have worked with the feds, like happy to.

00:49:39.000 Because he might have gone to them.

00:49:40.000 Because if he was doing business doing dirty work with underage girls, the Democrats had access to that for years.

00:49:47.000 And they could destroy him.

00:49:48.000 And they didn't.

00:49:49.000 And so now it's the why is Trump freaking out over this.

00:49:53.000 The Democrats didn't release it, and you know they would have.

00:49:55.000 They falsely accused him of rape in New York, civil fraud.

00:49:58.000 They tried arresting him.

00:49:59.000 They literally arrested him, tried convicting him several times.

00:50:02.000 They'd have taken any opportunity.

00:50:04.000 I actually, I'm not saying I know for sure.

00:50:06.000 I don't know if it's my my theory.

00:50:08.000 I'm just saying, if this is true, there probably is a higher probability that Trump's a snitch.

00:50:14.000 And I'm saying that intentionally.

00:50:16.000 It makes me love him more if he if he complied and worked with the FBI on getting Epstein thrown away.

00:50:20.000 That's a good thing.

00:50:21.000 Not just Epstein.

00:50:22.000 Prominent, powerful elites, like you know, he looked when he's saying Trump was surrounded by ex-FBI guys.

00:50:28.000 How does Trump know the ex-FBI guys?

00:50:30.000 And he was so famous in the 80s.

00:50:32.000 Who in his circle is like, I can get you connected with guys who were in the world.

00:50:35.000 But a lot would ride on the powerful elites.

00:50:38.000 What what were they doing?

00:50:40.000 And was it really bad?

00:50:41.000 You know, if if it was Epstein level bad deeds, then that's not gonna hurt him.

00:50:47.000 How cool would it be if Trump was an informant for the FBI for a long time?

00:50:52.000 Like actually saying, listen, you know, I'm gonna do my family business.

00:50:54.000 Anywhere I can help you, I'll give you information.

00:50:56.000 So with all his foreign business dealings, the feds were like, we want information.

00:50:59.000 These guys are like, I'll help you out.

00:51:01.000 I love this country.

00:51:02.000 And then in his dealings, he discovered Hillary Clinton was a crook.

00:51:06.000 She was doing untoward things with the Clinton Foundation, and he thought, I better run for office and put a stop to this.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 What what if Trump's whole thing was he stumbled?

00:51:15.000 I'm just like, what a great movie it would be if like Trump was just a business guy who was an informant and he accidentally walks into the wrong room at the wrong time and sees them all shredding documents, and then this triggers the movement.

00:51:24.000 I have to I have to save this country.

00:51:26.000 And then he rides down the escalator.

00:51:28.000 That's right.

00:51:28.000 The feds came and they're like, There's only a few good ones of us left, Donald.

00:51:32.000 We need you, like the ones he'd been working with in the 90s and the 2000s.

00:51:35.000 They're like, the re we've been taking over.

00:51:37.000 We need you to run for office.

00:51:38.000 You have to save this country.

00:51:39.000 There is another conspiracy that's been around for a while, and that it that is uh Trump is deep state.

00:51:44.000 And uh you know, it was funny we talked about this over the election.

00:51:48.000 There's a conspiracy theory that uh I love this one, it's my favorite.

00:51:52.000 In the late 2010s, or I'm sorry, in the late 2000s, you saw the rise of Alex Jones, who's getting bigger and bigger and more prominent, more popular, and he got very, very big in the 2010s.

00:52:00.000 And uh the Ron Paul Love Revolution, libertarianism, anti-establishment, anti-war was getting very popular online, which also bubbled up into the Tea Party and Occupy movements.

00:52:10.000 So the conspiracy theory goes that the CIA, very, very smart guys with with who plan have plans in place for decades, said, How do we stop this?

00:52:20.000 Okay, we're trying to do the stodgy uniparty candidates, the old white guy versus old white guy, but people aren't buying it anymore.

00:52:28.000 The 2000 thing was crazy.

00:52:29.000 You get Obama.

00:52:31.000 They say the deep state goes, we're gonna do Obama, we're gonna the first black president, still got protests after Obama won.

00:52:36.000 People were still obsessed.

00:52:37.000 Occupy uh upset.

00:52:38.000 Occupy Wall Street was during Obama's first term, 2011.

00:52:43.000 And so CIA says something's not working, there's a populist uprising happening.

00:52:48.000 What do we do?

00:52:50.000 Here's the idea.

00:52:51.000 We need a popular, we need a popular candidate who can play the villain of the establishment, but who's actually in it the whole time.

00:53:01.000 So the conspiracy theory goes that Donald Trump is friends with Hillary Clinton, he's friends of the deep state, and they set him up to make it look like they were attacking him so that the conspiracy theorist anti-war faction would side with Donald Trump like Alex Jones had done.

00:53:16.000 Then when he wins, the populist movement gets back behind the person you chose in the first place.

00:53:21.000 You know, the controlled opposition essentially, maybe except I feel like he really like Hillary wasn't at the level of the people that Trump was if Trump was working with FBI.

00:53:32.000 I feel like there are people in the middle that didn't know, and they just got you know rolled.

00:53:38.000 Entertain this.

00:53:39.000 Brian Krasenstein says Mike Johnson just claimed Trump was an FBI informant to help take down Epstein.

00:53:45.000 If this is the case, then Trump would be a hero after it's all released in the Epstein Files release the files.

00:53:50.000 Interesting.

00:53:52.000 When the liberals are saying Trump would be a hero if that were true.

00:53:56.000 Interesting.

00:53:57.000 I don't I don't think Trump is deep state.

00:53:59.000 I don't I I think the simple solution tends to be the correct one.

00:54:01.000 I think Donald Trump was an uh was it was an uh outside of the uniparty candidate.

00:54:06.000 They didn't think he was gonna win, but he's a celebrity who knows how to who's knows how to sell.

00:54:10.000 They stumbled into it, he ended up winning.

00:54:12.000 Hillary thought she was gonna win, but Trump squeaked by with three states, getting about 80,000 votes in those states, put him over the edge.

00:54:18.000 They got angry, lost their minds and started having a temper tantrum as they do, accusing me of being a spy.

00:54:22.000 It bubbled up and escalated to the point where they literally arrested him and tried putting him in jail and stopping him, but then ultimately lost and here we are, and Trump's largely won.

00:54:30.000 Yeah.

00:54:31.000 Simple solution.

00:54:32.000 That Trump had worked with the FBI over Epstein.

00:54:34.000 They said this like a couple few months ago, it'd been made pretty clear that he'd already in the past been in contact with the FBI or Epstein.

00:54:40.000 Now the word inform it, it's almost semantic.

00:54:42.000 Like I he probably feels bad about saying that word because of the the weight of the word.

00:54:46.000 But also, you inform on one guy, the FBI's like once you're an FBI informant, you're kind of an FBI informant for life, I think, from what I've heard.

00:54:53.000 He could be lying.

00:54:54.000 That's true.

00:54:55.000 That's that's that's a real simple misstep.

00:54:58.000 He misspoke.

00:54:59.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 He meant to say that uh everybody knows that Trump had basically not not been an informant, but had given a statement to the FBI.

00:55:07.000 Dude, if Trump informed on Epstein and a bunch of other billionaires, like good.

00:55:14.000 Not necessarily for his businesses, but good.

00:55:16.000 Like that's a good I don't know.

00:55:17.000 I don't know But then maybe here's the question.

00:55:21.000 Sorry, well, the the question I have is um the way that the Trump admin is handling the Epstein thing is is weird because he could just lie.

00:55:30.000 You know, when he's sitting at the table and it's like, why does everyone care about this?

00:55:33.000 Oh, it's it's all it's a Democrat hoax.

00:55:35.000 He could literally just keep saying the things we're finding, we're gonna keep digging, and when it's ready, we'll get it to you.

00:55:40.000 I'm sorry it's taking so long, but we don't want the bad guys to get away, so we need to build a sound case.

00:55:44.000 And then everyone forgets about it, right?

00:55:46.000 I've been saying this since the beginning.

00:55:47.000 If Dan Bon Gino came out and said, you know, we're looking at all of these Epstein files, and it's dark stuff.

00:55:54.000 Guys, I am not gonna release it before we're ready because the bad guys will get away if we do.

00:55:58.000 So it's gonna take time.

00:55:59.000 Everyone will forget about it.

00:56:01.000 So I'm wondering what the heck is going on behind the scenes.

00:56:06.000 Because Trump could just lie and it would go away, but he's not.

00:56:10.000 So maybe they're just incompetent.

00:56:12.000 I don't know.

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:13.000 And like uh, I think most of those files are burned anyway.

00:56:16.000 I mean, I keep hearing this from uh people like Mike Benz talks about it.

00:56:20.000 Sure, but Mike Cernovich talks about it.

00:56:22.000 For sure.

00:56:23.000 Like day one, you torch the files uh and then you smash the servers, of course.

00:56:28.000 Uh if you're gonna cover up a crime like that, I would think.

00:56:31.000 But you know, I you know, Mike Cernovich said these documents have been gone for years.

00:56:34.000 There's no way they held on to any of the incriminating uh evidence but that there's been the that there's still not that Trump's still like it's just a hoax, forget about it, even if the files are gone, like it's just a very weird, very weird left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing kind of energy right now.

00:56:49.000 Or like a scrambling energy.

00:56:52.000 It's highly likely that they've been destroyed for years, but then you can't account for why the Trump underlings were overpromising, the Pam Bondi saying they're on my desk, and yeah, that that would be weird.

00:57:05.000 Yeah, like were they were they enticed into saying that by someone and then they said it and then realized Yeah, or you were just elected and everybody's giddy and it went to your head and you like the like the adrenaline rush that comes from enticing the press.

00:57:21.000 What did you guys think about how those women, 100 Epstein survivor women said they were gonna drop all the names?

00:57:27.000 Why haven't they?

00:57:28.000 I don't know.

00:57:28.000 Well, that that's that's what I think.

00:57:30.000 If if if they have access to name if they have names to to name, name the names.

00:57:36.000 Like the I think that it's BS and I think it's BS specifically because this they're not this isn't new.

00:57:43.000 They've had this information for allegedly 20 years or more or whatever.

00:57:47.000 If they have this information, why are they sitting on it?

00:57:50.000 Yeah, call it.

00:57:51.000 They did it go away yesterday, put release the information.

00:57:54.000 If you have a list, compile the list and put it, make it public.

00:57:58.000 I wonder if they're waiting for Massey's proposal.

00:58:00.000 He has a in Congress to get the files released.

00:58:02.000 I think he's waiting on three more signatures in order to get it passed.

00:58:05.000 There's no guarantee that he'll ever get those signals.

00:58:07.000 You know, I and I will stress information, let put it out.

00:58:10.000 I will stress this too.

00:58:11.000 Like I do support Massey and Kana's effort so far, but I gotta be honest, the oversight committee and the DOJ have already committed to releasing the files and said they will.

00:58:21.000 I don't trust them.

00:58:22.000 So that's why I do think what Massey and Rokano do lean towards the good.

00:58:26.000 But at the same time, shouldn't you be like, all right, we're gonna Give them a month to put out the files, and if they're not gonna do it, then we're gonna file to be like they said they're gonna do it, they've been putting out files, but we're gonna do this anyway.

00:58:37.000 I'm kind of like they just put up 33,000 files, of which I think three to five percent were never before seen.

00:58:43.000 So the files, or at least some of them are getting released.

00:58:47.000 Wouldn't the reasonable thing be we're gonna we're gonna give them the opportunity to release as they said they are, we're gonna trust that they're gonna do it, benefit of the doubt.

00:58:54.000 And then if they don't adhere to a to a time frame, we'll go for a discharge petition.

00:58:58.000 My point is just it seems kind of weird to straight go for a discharge petition when they claim they're already working on it and literally just released files.

00:59:06.000 It's it seems disingenuous.

00:59:08.000 I mean again, I don't trust they're gonna release everything, but the argument is then you you've gotta you gotta let it play out.

00:59:15.000 I mean, the uh again, the Epstein story is not going anywhere.

00:59:17.000 Right, you know.

00:59:19.000 It it it it makes it feel like a stunt.

00:59:21.000 Interesting.

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.000 Maybe maybe it's a response to them uh the binder release that ended up being a nothing, and it's like, all right, that's day one.

00:59:29.000 Now day two is another nothing burger.

00:59:30.000 Now thirty three thousand files go up and there's like nothing there except for some new stuff that's nothing.

00:59:35.000 Well, give us the real deal kind of energy.

00:59:38.000 You know, for sure.

00:59:39.000 That that's why I'm saying I I I do I I lean towards more agreeing with them doing it, but I do think it's fair to question that it's you're gonna have to redact stuff.

00:59:49.000 Even even in in the in the in the massey bill, they expect things to be redacted and withheld.

00:59:54.000 So what what is what is uh uh do we have reason to believe the oversight committee is literally not doing it?

00:59:58.000 I mean they put up thirty three thousand files.

01:00:00.000 We got we got a decent amount of new new documents.

01:00:02.000 Uh people aren't getting what they want.

01:00:04.000 So again, I'll stress I'm I'm I'm begrudgingly saying, well, you know what, they should do it because we just get them released anyway, but isn't there a component where it's just like why don't you wait?

01:00:14.000 I bet Massey is doing what he thinks his constituents want. 1.00

01:00:17.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:00:18.000 Of course.

01:00:19.000 That's what this is all about.

01:00:20.000 He thinks the people want it, so he's doing he's a vessel.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, that's that's probably right.

01:00:24.000 Let's jump to this next story.

01:00:26.000 Ladies and gentlemen, the largest ICE arrest raid in history.

01:00:29.000 475 workers, and these individuals were from Korea.

01:00:34.000 Working in a Hyundai plant, Hyundai and Kia.

01:00:38.000 I I never trusted these Koreans. 1.00

01:00:40.000 You know, you know what I mean?

01:00:41.000 Very good at math.

01:00:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:42.000 Architecturally, oh yeah, I can I can attest to their math skills.

01:00:47.000 Their ability to build trebuches uh second to none.

01:00:50.000 Uh true.

01:00:51.000 It it was funny to hear that there's a lot of I'm Korean, by the way, that's the joke. 0.99

01:00:55.000 I think everybody knows that.

01:00:56.000 I don't know.

01:00:57.000 Um, but it is funny to hear that actually there's four hundred and seventy-five Korean workers here illegally.

01:01:01.000 Like no one saw that one coming.

01:01:03.000 How'd they get here?

01:01:04.000 Yeah.

01:01:05.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:01:06.000 Bearing straight.

01:01:07.000 Well, that was like 200 years ago.

01:01:08.000 The one thing I will say though is um more so well, maybe not more so.

01:01:14.000 Let me let me clarify.

01:01:15.000 Typically, the illegal immigrants from Asia we see are indentured servants.

01:01:21.000 So uh what what you'll get is companies in Southeast Asia will say, We will move you to America and you will owe us $50,000 and have to work for us to pay it back.

01:01:32.000 Just general, it's illegal, you can't do this.

01:01:35.000 They don't tell you this, right?

01:01:36.000 They they don't they don't come and admit to the United States where it's all indentured servitude.

01:01:40.000 They keep this on the books in China and Korea.

01:01:42.000 So when you a lot of the migrants that you meet working at uh um Asian food restaurants or um like spas and salons, they're indentured servants who have to work for 10 years for a trafficking organization. 0.89

01:01:56.000 And that's illegal.

01:01:57.000 Uh I just don't think that there's a priority to enforce against it.

01:02:00.000 Like the no one in government cares.

01:02:02.000 You think this is that?

01:02:04.000 Uh sort of the the the interesting thing about the indentured servants is that they're not here illegally.

01:02:10.000 The company facilitates their immigration and pays the bills, and then they owe a debt.

01:02:14.000 So it's they neglected servitude.

01:02:16.000 This is interesting because this is the much more nefarious.

01:02:19.000 They brought these people here illicitly to have them build cars.

01:02:22.000 That's crazy.

01:02:22.000 Shut that.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, and Georgia.

01:02:25.000 That's shut that plant down, expropriate it from Hyundai.

01:02:29.000 I mean, it's not gonna Oh, bro.

01:02:31.000 It's not gonna blow up Hyundai, the the corporation, but still.

01:02:34.000 If I were king, I would seize the plant.

01:02:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:02:38.000 I'd I'd I'd walk in with Royal Guard and say, let this be known to all who seek to subvert the will of the American people, our our economy, our laws.

01:02:48.000 If foreign interests are operating factories with five hundred illegal workers undercutting the American people, we will nationalize it in two seconds.

01:02:59.000 Then what I do as king is I would auction it off to American car companies to own the factory.

01:03:06.000 I don't I don't want the government to own it.

01:03:07.000 My j my joke on the riff off that is if I were king, what a glorious three days that would be.

01:03:14.000 Look, whatever's sharp, my friend.

01:03:17.000 Whatever Donald Trump can do to punish this corporation, he should legal whatever he can legally do, he should do.

01:03:24.000 Whether it's expropriation, whether it's tariffs, whether it's, you know, I don't know if you can I don't know what uh latitude the president has, but he should make it painful for Hyundai for having four hundred and whatever, four hundred and seventy-five illegal aliens here in the United States because they facilitate it. 0.98

01:03:44.000 It's not just that they were, you know, they snuck in.

01:03:46.000 These were Korean workers from a Korean company.

01:03:49.000 That means the company facilitated them coming in.

01:03:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:52.000 They sh there should be significant ramifications for Hyundai Corporate.

01:03:55.000 Yeah.

01:03:56.000 Like maybe, maybe you have maybe you tear it.

01:03:58.000 I don't know if you tear off the the company, but I know that there's all kinds of find them.

01:04:02.000 Yeah, fine, find the absolute hell out of them.

01:04:04.000 There's all kinds of licensing that they have to do to be able to to build a uh you know, a plant of this size in the United States.

01:04:12.000 You should go after them in Korea, in South Korea, not just here in the United States. 1.00

01:04:17.000 Go after them in South Korea for doing this.

01:04:18.000 Just to clarify, uh, out of 560 workers, 300 were South Koreans, according to local media.

01:04:23.000 All of the illegal immigrants that were there?

01:04:26.000 Uh there were 475 arrests.

01:04:28.000 Uh it said of the 560 workers, 300 were South Korean nationals.

01:04:32.000 So I think there's two distinct numbers here.

01:04:34.000 Yeah.

01:04:35.000 500 total workers, 475 illegal.

01:04:37.000 And that means some of the South Koreans may have been legal and many of many of them were not legal.

01:04:41.000 But yeah, that's a good point.

01:04:42.000 This is the that means the company knew in facilitating and we're talking about 300.

01:04:45.000 We're talking 475 illegal.

01:04:48.000 That means Shunde knew.

01:04:49.000 How many other Hyundai plants are there in the United States?

01:04:52.000 Bro, just raid on all of them.

01:04:55.000 They should be raiding them all tomorrow.

01:04:57.000 Because you do have to take it up to corporate.

01:04:59.000 You're right.

01:04:59.000 Sorry to interrupt.

01:05:00.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:05:00.000 Like this is this is this is something that the corporate structure of Hyundai intentionally did.

01:05:06.000 You know that meme of the police breaking through the door and then come coming through the ceiling and like stuff.

01:05:10.000 That's what we need.

01:05:11.000 We we need that at all these these plants.

01:05:13.000 You know, we were talking uh earlier in the show about like ice and the protests like disappearing and stuff.

01:05:19.000 I'm sorry, National Guard and the protests kind of waning.

01:05:21.000 I think ICE is playing a huge role in this.

01:05:23.000 It was remarkable when we saw the traffic in LA.

01:05:26.000 And they s they the the liberals ran to the high end, they desperately tried to say it's not true, there's still traffic.

01:05:32.000 No, traffic in LA was down after the ice raids.

01:05:35.000 I I whatever you think.

01:05:37.000 We had this debate this morning uh on the on the use of military for law enforcement, and uh Pisco, our resident liberal guy, was arguing that Trump shouldn't do it, it's illegal and military shouldn't be enforced in the law.

01:05:48.000 He asked me if I thought they should be uh in California.

01:05:52.000 And I said, depends on the circumstances.

01:05:54.000 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

01:05:56.000 In this circumstance in California, what were they doing wh when the military was deployed?

01:06:02.000 Child slave labor on marijuana farms.

01:06:06.000 That's what they were stopping.

01:06:08.000 If you go to the average American, I guarantee you nine out of ten times, if you said if there were child slaves on a drug farm, should we send in National Guard, Marines, or military to rescue those kids and shut down the the the production and the and the and the facilities, they're gonna say, yeah, absolutely.

01:06:26.000 Yeah, okay, all right.

01:06:28.000 The emotional response is always yes, is always go get 'em.

01:06:32.000 Stop it.

01:06:32.000 But the you gotta think how that can be twisted.

01:06:36.000 I'm gonna go ahead and say that in the events child slaves are being forced to uh grow drugs.

01:06:44.000 I I don't I I could you could you could you provide for me a hypothetical scenario where I would disagree with stopping that using military force?

01:06:51.000 If it was another illegal thing other than drugs, maybe that underage people. 0.60

01:06:56.000 No, no, no, no.

01:06:56.000 We're talking about a spit.

01:06:57.000 Well, I'm trying to think of a similar circumstance in the future that might be replicated and National Guards get sent in.

01:07:02.000 There is a drug farm.

01:07:04.000 Child slaves are doing the work, and Trump says, I'm gonna use the military to stop this.

01:07:10.000 What reason could exist where we'd be like, no, no, no, Trump, don't use the military for this one?

01:07:15.000 That's an honest question.

01:07:16.000 I mean, come up with any hypothetical you want.

01:07:18.000 A giant boulder is dangling over the children with an evil villain saying if you bring the military, I'll cut the rope.

01:07:22.000 Well, that's not real, but I'm saying give me a scenario where I, a reasonable person would be like, we better not use the military to stop this child slavering at a drug farm.

01:07:32.000 No, I think the reality is 100% of the time, a reasonable person, like anyone here is gonna be like, so child slaves are growing drugs, they have no choice.

01:07:41.000 Let's go, let's go rescue them.

01:07:43.000 What can't Donald Trump do when he gets Democrats to defend drug cartels, child slavery, um this sort of thing.

01:07:53.000 Yeah, it I think it's open and shut.

01:07:56.000 The Democrats are underwater on 80-20 issues across the board.

01:08:00.000 And this would this was be like a 95-5 issue.

01:08:04.000 Oh, I mean, it and and the the five only because some people are uh developmentally disabled.

01:08:10.000 Was it And own the farms?

01:08:12.000 Is it just an operation where they the National Guard was in and out?

01:08:16.000 Yeah, they they they went in and basically made arrest of illegals and rescued the children who were working as slaves.

01:08:20.000 But they didn't leave the National Guard is not still present.

01:08:24.000 Uh, I don't believe at those facilities, but I do believe the National Guard is still present in Canada.

01:08:28.000 Doing a sting operation with the military on domestic soil is also a risky precedent to set, but if it's a sting operation and you're in and out, that's way different than it's not precedent, it's legal.

01:08:39.000 Um there are there are so let's just clarify because this is a debate we're having this morning.

01:08:44.000 There are criteria by which Trump can deploy military for domestic law enforcement, it's called the insurrection act.

01:08:49.000 In this case, he didn't do it.

01:08:50.000 Now, what uh Pisco argued is that Marines were assisting in uh execution of warrants.

01:08:56.000 And my argument, and he said, So do you so if it's illegal that Trump deploys the military, is it a good thing?

01:09:01.000 And I'm like, sometimes.

01:09:02.000 That's just it's it's a ridiculous sophistry to be like, there is we we're absolutists.

01:09:08.000 Trump can never do a thing.

01:09:08.000 I'm like, dude, in California, there were marijuana farms, children were brought there against their will to work on those farms.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, sorry, if the local law enforcement isn't is facilitating like protecting and facilitating this, Gavin Newsom won't do anything about it.

01:09:23.000 I think Newsom should be brought to testify before Congress and criminally investigated for what his government did in facilitating child slave labor in his state and protecting against it, or at least being criminally negligent in not rescuing kids that they knew were being held as slaves.

01:09:39.000 So when Donald Trump is like, okay, local laws are not being enforced.

01:09:44.000 What is my what what authorities do I have?

01:09:46.000 You've got federal law enforcement.

01:09:48.000 Are they going to be equipped to go in and stop something as dangerous as like cartel child slave labor?

01:09:53.000 Maybe Trump said we'll use the National Guard with assistance from the Marines, and I say, good. 1.00

01:09:59.000 Good.

01:09:59.000 If like I I don't care.

01:10:01.000 That the people are going to argue, but the precedent of the military, the precedent of the military chopping stopping child slave labor.

01:10:07.000 Listen, come to me when Marines are arresting uh a guy in front of an abortion clinic for praying, okay?

01:10:13.000 And we'll have a conversation about free speech and the line being crossed.

01:10:17.000 But I'm not playing this game where liberals say you are never allowed to stop evil, and we have no choice but to let evil happen.

01:10:26.000 When you say child slaves, or were they like uh illegally brought here?

01:10:30.000 Yes and smuggled in and they're just working on a farm and forced by the cartels to work growing jobs.

01:10:34.000 You gotta rescue the kids.

01:10:35.000 Indeed.

01:10:36.000 But no notice when Eisenhower sent the National Guard to integrate schools in um Arkansas or Alabama, I forget.

01:10:43.000 I think it's Montgomery, Alabama.

01:10:45.000 Um everybody uh all the liberals, progressives, yay, they're not concerned about precedent.

01:10:51.000 They're concerned about outcomes.

01:10:53.000 If if something advances their agenda, they're for it.

01:10:57.000 Yep.

01:10:57.000 And if something retards their agenda, they're against it, and it doesn't they don't care about process.

01:11:03.000 Conservatives should be.

01:11:04.000 I agree though.

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:05.000 What's that?

01:11:06.000 This is the argument I had with Pisco.

01:11:07.000 He I said that I disagree with Trump, he should ban uh TikTok. 1.00

01:11:12.000 It's uh TikTok's all the the it's already been uh uh uh codified as law and signed into law that TikTok should be banned and Trump is refusing to do it.

01:11:20.000 And he said, why are you citing law?

01:11:22.000 I thought you said sometimes, I thought you said Trump shouldn't follow the law because it's it's ridiculous sophistry.

01:11:26.000 And I said, sometimes.

01:11:28.000 In my moral worldview, TikTok is destroying this country, Trump should enforce the ban.

01:11:33.000 I'm questioning why Trump is allowing TikTok to remain, and I think it has to do with moneyed interests.

01:11:38.000 And it's fascinating to me that when I say Donald Trump has moneyed interests in TikTok, so we'll not ban it despite the law being passed, liberals defend that and say, no, no, TikTok is fine.

01:11:51.000 Oh, the point is, I I consider myself, I've said this for 10 years, philosophically anarchist.

01:11:58.000 I understand that the only the only laws I can enforce are are the laws that people are willing to enforce.

01:12:03.000 I don't believe that the way we should live as a nation is anarchy.

01:12:06.000 So that's why I say philosophically, I recognize if you do not use your power, you have none.

01:12:12.000 That means if Donald Trump says there are child slaves on a farm in California, and the standard process to end this would be local law enforcement in California putting an end to it.

01:12:21.000 We say, did it happen?

01:12:23.000 No.

01:12:23.000 We move down to the next step.

01:12:25.000 Then what do we do?

01:12:26.000 The feds get sent in to put an end to it.

01:12:29.000 What we get from libertarians, and not the good Mises caucus libertarians, we like those guys.

01:12:35.000 But we had a date uh a debate, a date, a debate with a reason magazine Libertarian.

01:12:40.000 The conversation was Democrats have illegally and illicitly arrested Trump's lawyers unconstitutionally, tried to stifle his campaign to steal power in the United States.

01:12:49.000 What is the remedy?

01:12:50.000 And I was told by the libertarian, none.

01:12:54.000 Democrats are allowed to be evil, but Republicans can't enforce the law against them because that would create escalation of conflict between political parties.

01:13:02.000 So it's you just do nothing.

01:13:04.000 And I said, well, then they'll do it again, and the corruption will get worse, and you will live in a corrupt system with tyrants.

01:13:09.000 It's like, yeah, well, if Trump starts arresting Democrats for the illegal things they did, that's tear that's tyranny.

01:13:16.000 And the liberals say the same thing.

01:13:18.000 Listen, I understand there are child slaves on that farm, but it would be illegal to stop it.

01:13:24.000 Also, I know that ICE enforcement is legal, and we're going to use Molotov cocktails to stop it despite it being illegal.

01:13:30.000 I recognize that only the power only those who are willing to use the power they have have power.

01:13:37.000 And I will state it publicly and fairly to everybody.

01:13:40.000 I will not defend communists who try to take my free speech when their free speech is taken.

01:13:43.000 Okay.

01:13:44.000 And I'm not going to sit back and let child ch child slave labor continue. 0.94

01:13:49.000 And this argument that it may be illegal doesn't fly because y'all Molotov cocktailed cops for years. 0.95

01:13:55.000 So I don't think you actually care about the law, and you're lying to me, trying to j trying to use our goodwill.

01:14:02.000 I know, you know, Doug, you and I, we we agree there should be a law and a mechanism by which law is enforced, so we don't like it if cops are illegally or unjustly arresting people.

01:14:10.000 Right.

01:14:11.000 They use that against us and say, don't you believe in fair being fair in the constitution and good and and and and good jurisprudence?

01:14:19.000 And we say, yes.

01:14:19.000 Okay, well, you can't stop the child slave labor.

01:14:21.000 I'm sick of it.

01:14:22.000 These people are child slaves.

01:14:24.000 Okay.

01:14:25.000 We we we've we have crossed that line a long time ago.

01:14:28.000 And I will I will cherry put the cherry on top, it is not even illegal what Trump is doing.

01:14:34.000 He has the authority to send in the Marines and the National Guard, literally whatever he wants.

01:14:38.000 But he has to not enforce the law.

01:14:40.000 No, no, no, no.

01:14:41.000 Trump can send all of the Marines, every single one, right into downtown Chicago.

01:14:45.000 They just can't enforce law.

01:14:48.000 He can tell them, I need you to go stand in Chicago, and they'll say, okay.

01:14:51.000 All I'm doing is standing on the corner.

01:14:53.000 But if the guy like gets in his face, can they shoot him because he got too close?

01:14:56.000 No.

01:14:57.000 But I mean, what if the guy's like aggressing on him?

01:14:59.000 So are you saying if a Marine Marines' life is being threatened, can he disappoint?

01:15:03.000 Or he thinks his life is being threatened.

01:15:05.000 Literally any human in the United States is allowed to do that.

01:15:07.000 Okay.

01:15:07.000 Except in like Maryland.

01:15:09.000 I was gonna say M16, like it's 1970.

01:15:11.000 You're allowed to carry guns in the United States too, Ian.

01:15:13.000 Yeah.

01:15:13.000 If you carried an M16, you're not gonna have one of those because they made it illegal.

01:15:18.000 But let's say you had a an AR-15 and you were walking around West Virginia and a guy threatened your life or threatened you with great bodily harm, you can defend yourself.

01:15:28.000 So my point is I would not be happy if Trump sent all of the Marines into Chicago just to stand there.

01:15:33.000 I'd be like, this is a waste of resources.

01:15:35.000 It is cluttering things up.

01:15:37.000 There's it's good for the economy, I guess.

01:15:39.000 They'll buy a lot of hot dogs.

01:15:40.000 Chicago, you know, the businesses would be booming.

01:15:42.000 There's better ways to go about law enforcement.

01:15:44.000 But when they say the the estimate right now is that the Trump administration will send about 80 National Guard into each city.

01:15:52.000 80.

01:15:53.000 I mean, come on, what is what is that?

01:15:55.000 It's his first step.

01:15:56.000 What he's doing is he's flying the flag.

01:15:58.000 So um so Teddy Roosevelt sent the uh there's a great story about Teddy Roosevelt who sent the great white fleet around the world, and Congress only apportioned enough money to send them halfway there, but he was flying the flag in all these international ports show of strength.

01:16:15.000 And so Roosevelt sent the fleet to the other side of the world with half the money, and then told Congress if you want the fleet back, then you're after the money.

01:16:23.000 You're gonna have to bring it back.

01:16:25.000 So here's here's here's the argument.

01:16:28.000 Trump wants to send uh the estimate Is about 80 National Guard uh in in 19 cities.

01:16:34.000 They will have no law enforcement capability.

01:16:36.000 That would require the insurrection act.

01:16:39.000 Or there's a there's there's another act, I forgot what it was.

01:16:41.000 There's there's two insurrection act allows the military, National Guard, there's a there's another one, I forgot what it's called.

01:16:46.000 Uh he's not doing it.

01:16:47.000 What do we see in DC?

01:16:48.000 Liberals complained the National Guard was picking up trash.

01:16:53.000 Here's the issue.

01:16:54.000 Gang, I'm I'm telling you this, I'll speak for Chicago.

01:16:56.000 I as a as a Chicagoan want the National Guard in my hometown, particularly in my neighborhood where gang violence and and and just urban street violence is bad.

01:17:06.000 The argument, the play is if two National Guard are simply unarmed standing in the park, the gangbangers will not go there because they don't want to pick a fight with the military.

01:17:20.000 Now, if it's local police, they don't care because they know the extent of where the police can operate.

01:17:25.000 A lot of these gangbangers know they can go to Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa or s or St. Louis or whatever, and they and they operate out of the prisons as it is.

01:17:33.000 But everybody, they all know, hey man, you don't want to you you if you go and shake someone down with a gun and you start you do a drive-by and there's National Guard there, you are going to uh open up the can of worms.

01:17:45.000 And so the the idea is just put two National Guard to hang out and they'll avoid the area.

01:17:49.000 Well, it works, that does work, but it like at what cost.

01:17:52.000 Well, DC's a different story.

01:17:53.000 DC what's the cost?

01:17:54.000 The cost is you've got federal troops in domestic cities, and if the federal government goes psycho, you're okay.

01:18:00.000 Well, uh that if they do, we'll complain about it when they do.

01:18:03.000 That's not the way it works, dude.

01:18:04.000 If they do, you're done.

01:18:06.000 Could work.

01:18:06.000 And and when the Democrats did, are we done?

01:18:08.000 And what are we doing about it?

01:18:09.000 The Democrats are trying to put National Guard in all our cities to activate Operation 57 or whatever the Emperor does when he clicks the button, and now the insurrection act is open, and now everybody.

01:18:18.000 You know that J.B. Pritzker did deploy the National Guard when crime got bad and affected the wealthy elites in Illinois and Chicago.

01:18:24.000 You know that Barack Obama actually, I I think it was Obama facilitated the National Guard deployment into uh Ferguson during the Ferguson riots.

01:18:32.000 During a riot.

01:18:33.000 I get the during a riot, and in DC is cool because like it was night 1783 when there was a uh a riot in Philly that I think it was Madison, James Madison, someone was like, We need we need low we need protection for the Capitol.

01:18:44.000 We need to protect our capital with federal cops. 0.54

01:18:46.000 That's why you can do that in DC.

01:18:48.000 And it was like a soft precedent to make people think it was normal to do in other domestic cities, it's not.

01:18:53.000 Is the argument so so when when would it be appropriate for the federal government to deploy any amount of troops, be it lower level National Guard to higher level Marines?

01:19:00.000 Like there's a riot.

01:19:02.000 Just a riot.

01:19:02.000 If there's like a something like a riot, what if an extraordinary 20 million non-citizens are uh illegally in our country flying their own flags and uh uh just operating illicit businesses, drug trafficking, drug trade, and gang violence.

01:19:16.000 I don't think it's acute enough.

01:19:17.000 What if there's eight hundred dead?

01:19:19.000 What if children are growing up in neighborhoods where they hear gunshots, uh hitter hitting windows and teenagers are getting murdered and doing drugs?

01:19:26.000 Like it it's fascinating that if we went back to an older time when there were less people in the United States, no American city in the 1700s would tolerate the the amounts of crime and violence that we have.

01:19:41.000 I mean, they would go to war over it.

01:19:42.000 One Native American coming in.

01:19:44.000 They lynch the criminals back in the day.

01:19:46.000 They yeah, oh yeah.

01:19:47.000 I mean, look at the was it night 1912 or whatever, that uh that that TV show.

01:19:51.000 They're in the uh the West, and a guy's accusing me in a pickpocket and without evidence, they just hang him on the spot.

01:19:57.000 They throw rope over a post, put it on his neck, and yank him up.

01:20:00.000 But that leads to a really important point that people miss about law enforcement.

01:20:05.000 Ultimately, if you're if you're not enforcing the law, not guarding making the streets safe, uh, everybody thinks the police force and the National Guard is there to protect the citizen.

01:20:17.000 Ultimately, they're there to protect the criminal.

01:20:21.000 Right.

01:20:22.000 Because with with Oh, in Chicago for sure.

01:20:25.000 Yeah, with without this uh enforcement, at some point, the people are gonna revolt.

01:20:30.000 There's gonna be a vigilante recoil, and the criminals are going to be hung from lampposts without a trial, without any kind of due process, and what you're gonna have vigilante justice, you're gonna have lynchings, you're gonna have all kinds of mayhem because the government won't do its fundamental duty of protect of protecting the streets.

01:20:54.000 You can see it in England, dude.

01:20:55.000 You see it brewing in England right now.

01:20:56.000 Indeed.

01:20:57.000 So King's series on his hands.

01:21:00.000 There is a problem in your country when you need to send in National Guard over these things.

01:21:04.000 And maybe the end result is just we break down and it falls apart.

01:21:08.000 I don't know.

01:21:09.000 But I will say this.

01:21:10.000 We had a culture war debate show live, and uh uh we were debating the uh uh Trump deporting Kilmar Burger Garcia, an MS 13 gang member who lived in uh Maryland, and of course the resident liberal who was from New York and on the show was saying Trump shouldn't be doing this, it's wrong.

01:21:28.000 And then a Maryland resident came up and says, You don't live here and know what we deal with with MS 13 killing people and drug smuggling, the fear we have, the graffiti that tells us to be afraid, and then Trump takes one of these guys and sends them home.

01:21:41.000 All he does is send them home, and then you say we should be forced to live this way.

01:21:45.000 This is what I can't stand about the whole debate right now on the National Guard issue.

01:21:49.000 I understand there are people in Chicago who don't want the National Guard.

01:21:52.000 I will happily debate them and say, How about I get National Guard in my neighborhood where my friends agree with this, and you don't get the National Guard in your neighborhood, and we're good.

01:22:02.000 So I told this to uh two Pisco.

01:22:04.000 There was an area in Chicago where I grew up, uh by Midway Airport.

01:22:07.000 We had an area called the LeClair courts.

01:22:09.000 It was predominantly black, and it was gangs. 0.96

01:22:14.000 The insane popes was one of the gangs there.

01:22:16.000 Gang violence, robbery, muggings, uh kids joining the gang.

01:22:20.000 It was a terrible influence.

01:22:21.000 And um, in in my life, I have stories of uh my friends.

01:22:26.000 I'm on the phone with my friend, and he's like, I'm watching someone drag a corpse through the alley.

01:22:30.000 The next day on the news, they found a body in a dumpster.

01:22:33.000 Uh friends of mine who died.

01:22:35.000 Uh people uh uh like uh my friend's brother who was forced to kill people because the gang made him do it when he was 13, because don't worry, you get out of juvie in five years.

01:22:44.000 So the area that was predominantly fomenting this crime was a largely uh it was it was just north of 47th, and it was predominantly black. 0.59

01:22:53.000 So the city, you know how they dealt with the crime?

01:22:56.000 They bulldozed all the houses and kicked everybody out, and all the gangbangers and all of these this criminal element were just moved to other areas in the suburbs.

01:23:06.000 So they didn't enforce the law because they struggled with it.

01:23:09.000 The police, who I have a I have I have a certain degree of respect for the Chicago police, but they are a largely corrupt institution.

01:23:15.000 Uh they you know, you had um um Burge, I think the guy's name was, who tortured people and electrocuted them.

01:23:21.000 Oh, that that black ops site, that big building. 0.96

01:23:24.000 Oh, there's more than one, and they still operate to this day.

01:23:26.000 And the problem in my neighborhood was that when we would we would complain to the police about the constant robberies in our at our park, Vidom Park, Google it, lit up, you can see where I'm where I'm from.

01:23:35.000 I lived on Laramie.

01:23:37.000 Uh, shout out to um uh Jimmy Dore, who's from the same neighborhood who lived two blocks away from me.

01:23:43.000 No joke.

01:23:44.000 When I was three years old, Jimmy lived two blocks away from me.

01:23:46.000 That's crazy.

01:23:47.000 When when I found out he was like, You're from Chicago, I'm like, yes, aware.

01:23:49.000 I was like by Venom Park, my midway, and he goes, No kidding, me too.

01:23:52.000 Uh anyway, I digress.

01:23:54.000 You can go look it up.

01:23:55.000 The police would tell us, hey, look, man, if we arrest these guys, we're gonna get in trouble for being racist.

01:24:00.000 Not joking.

01:24:01.000 They'd say, we can't be seen to just be arresting black people.

01:24:05.000 And we would be like, we don't care if they're black, dude. 0.99

01:24:08.000 Some of our like we have friends who are black.

01:24:10.000 That's not the issue.

01:24:11.000 We're just asking what's the guy who robbed my friend.

01:24:13.000 And they're like, but don't you get it?

01:24:15.000 The people who are robbing you and selling drugs are all from the black neighborhood. 1.00

01:24:19.000 And so they wouldn't do it.

01:24:20.000 They wouldn't do it.

01:24:21.000 So what did the city do?

01:24:23.000 In 2009, they said, We're going to tear down these old, old, shoddy buildings and rebuild better ones for all of you.

01:24:32.000 It'll be temporary.

01:24:33.000 It wasn't.

01:24:34.000 No, what they really did was they demolished the entire black neighborhood, forcing all of these people into Joe Lieton other suburbs, where my friends tell me the stories about what's going on now because the crime didn't go away. 0.84

01:24:44.000 But the city of Chicago is like, why don't we we hey?

01:24:48.000 We fixed it as far as the city's concerned.

01:24:50.000 Patrick.

01:24:50.000 And so my argument is this.

01:24:52.000 When Ian, you from Ohio, tell me that as my friends get shot and my other friends die of heroin overdoses, it is tyranny if we beg for help to stop it.

01:25:05.000 I I just I reject that.

01:25:06.000 And I say, I'll tell you what, you don't gotta have the National Guard in your neighborhood.

01:25:11.000 But as a kid, as a kid growing up, when the gangbangers would pull up and roll down their windows, flashing a gun and being like, what you is, boy.

01:25:18.000 And then I'd be like, I ain't nothing.

01:25:20.000 Leave me alone.

01:25:20.000 They'd be like, and then they'd throw up they throw up a gang sign and shout out their gang and leave.

01:25:24.000 My uh the the stories, man, south side of Chicago.

01:25:27.000 Everybody knows.

01:25:28.000 I would have loved it if they were two National Guard guys that literally just walked up and down Archer every day, I'd walk next to them as I went to the park.

01:25:36.000 You're telling me makes me want more vengeance on people.

01:25:39.000 I'm a vengeant human.

01:25:41.000 I was bullied as a kid, and I like to see people hurt for doing hurt.

01:25:45.000 So I don't know.

01:25:47.000 I I feel you.

01:25:48.000 I'm trying to be I'm trying to be practical.

01:25:50.000 My my issue is there is an emotional component to I just can't stand these uppity liberals in New York and billionaires like Pritzer.

01:25:58.000 Pritzker going on TV saying Trump should not be sending the National Guard here, and I'm like, you fat piece of crap.

01:26:05.000 There's a hot dog joint by where I grew up, and you can look it up.

01:26:08.000 It's called LM.

01:26:10.000 It's on 47th in Laramie.

01:26:12.000 I was on four I grew up on 49th in Laramie.

01:26:14.000 And we were scared to go there for hot dogs because the windows were bulletproof and there were bullet holes in the window.

01:26:21.000 And it and you know, look, this is the South Side of Chicago.

01:26:25.000 I I I think it's fair to say that life has been worse before in war and in times of crisis and famine.

01:26:32.000 I get it.

01:26:32.000 But that doesn't mean we don't stop the crime now, especially as people are growing up in these ways.

01:26:38.000 Now I don't I think what you're saying reminds me of um years ago when the federal government, people who don't have skin in the game, the federal government reintroduced the wolf into Idaho.

01:26:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:26:50.000 You know, oh great.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, thank you, you know, they the farmers were like and we thought and and we've got wolves in our area because of because of it.

01:27:00.000 And but our Idaho Senator at the time um proposed a measure to reintroduce the grizzly into New York State.

01:27:10.000 So you basically uh in an orderly society, everybody should play by the same rules.

01:27:17.000 You you can't bet with other people's money, other people's lives.

01:27:21.000 So what if if things deteriorate to a certain point where riots are normal cr the crime is out of control, and you can have uh a deadly weekend in Chicago without a riot.

01:27:32.000 You know, it's just my my neighborhood in Chicago was uh Democrat up until 2020 when it turned purple and 2024 it turned red.

01:27:42.000 This is urban liberal Chicago voted for Donald Trump in my neighborhood.

01:27:48.000 And and so I talked to my friends, like some of my my homies from back home, they work here, we hang out, and I was literally talking to Andy, who's we grew up together at Vidom Park by Midway, and I mentioned part of the debate after the show ended, and he started talking about the suburbs, the gangbangers, they moved out there in the suburbs now, and he's like and I'm like, could you imagine when we were growing up and we were trying to skateboard?

01:28:10.000 Literally, that's what we're we were kids, and we'd write around our skate, we play with Pokemon cards, we would skateboard, we'd go to the comic shop, and instead of having gaggles of gangbangers mugging us, there were a couple of National Guards just walking down the street.

01:28:23.000 Do you think I was like, would anyone care?

01:28:26.000 No, not a single one of these people would would have cared if there was a couple of National Guard walking down the street.

01:28:30.000 When I was in South America, I lived in Chile and Santiago, and there that's the thing in there, it's all federal cops.

01:28:35.000 So you see Federalists on the corner just standing there, and it is disconcerting in a way that it's like not all law is good.

01:28:41.000 And sometimes if the federal government is evil and you've you can't you need to be able to break their laws in seclusion in your community, and if there's feds everywhere, you can't.

01:28:50.000 So that's my concern.

01:28:51.000 I I I I certainly this was one thing I brought up in the debate.

01:28:54.000 I certainly understand.

01:28:55.000 I said weed is a schedule one drug seems kind of crazy.

01:28:58.000 I'm not I'm I'm uh I'm fairly libertarian, but I don't I think we need cultural solutions.

01:29:03.000 I'm I'm I'm over like a Ron Paul guy, like uh he's abortion should be shouldn't be illegal, it should be unthinkable.

01:29:09.000 If uh uh I'll throw it to Wade Stotz, who made the argument a constitution is what constitutes the people.

01:29:14.000 And by the time you get to having to write down what your laws are, your people are already breaking up morally.

01:29:20.000 I think the proper way society should function is just everyone just agrees abortion is bad, so it doesn't need to be on the books.

01:29:25.000 Nobody would dare do it.

01:29:26.000 Same thing is true for marijuana.

01:29:28.000 So I agree that like some dude who's got a small bag of pot going to prison is not helping your society, it's not fixing the problem.

01:29:35.000 I don't want people going around and smoking pot all the time, which means uh and I now I'll throw it to Moxie Marlin Spike who may who answered the question why I interviewed him uh 10 years ago or whatever.

01:29:43.000 Why is it bad that we have mass surveillance?

01:29:45.000 And he said, sometimes we decide as a society that laws need to be repealed.

01:29:50.000 Whatever that law may be, it's not the point.

01:29:52.000 How do we figure out the law needs to be repealed?

01:29:55.000 Uh prohibition is a good example. 0.96

01:29:57.000 It's because people were drinking and they recognized they were okay with drinking.

01:30:01.000 If the government spotted on you 24-7, no one would ever touch alcohol again, and alcohol would remain illegal forever.

01:30:08.000 Some people may want that to be the case, but the point is to recognize that in a functioning republic, we sometimes say, you know what, that law does need to be changed, but how do you know unless some people sometimes break it?

01:30:21.000 So there has to be some tolerance.

01:30:23.000 The way the way I I I I describe protests, for instance, is I say that far left activists should be allowed to obstruct streets, link arms, and you know, wear the chains or whatever.

01:30:34.000 Allowed in the sense that we don't beat them or kill them or throw like lock them up for life.

01:30:40.000 No, no, no.

01:30:40.000 When you chain yourself to a door, we tolerate that and say, okay, okay, now we're going to give you a minor charge for disorderly conduct.

01:30:48.000 You've crossed the line, but we recognize tolerance for civil disobedience because there needs to be pressure release, otherwise people get violent, and then you get shootings and and and chaos.

01:30:59.000 So a a Republican system that we have will say, you're not supposed to block the street, but we get what you're doing, and we're gonna give you a slap on the wrist.

01:31:08.000 We get it.

01:31:08.000 It happens.

01:31:09.000 We'll clear it out and try and be reasonable in your discomfort and your your efforts towards assembly and speech.

01:31:15.000 We don't want a 1984 society where no one can do anything, can't express themselves at all, and then it ends up with a lunatic just ramming a car into a building.

01:31:25.000 Yeah.

01:31:26.000 Yeah.

01:31:27.000 So I just think about the levels of crime in the United States right now, because it's it really we do need to do something, something.

01:31:34.000 I just Oh man.

01:31:36.000 Well, I'd love to go on to the next the next story, too.

01:31:38.000 I don't know personally, I don't know if National Guard equals solution.

01:31:42.000 I don't know if military equals solution necessarily we'll see.

01:31:45.000 It it actually this is the point I was making.

01:31:47.000 Perhaps it just signifies when you get to that point, your society is breaking apart as it is.

01:31:51.000 I do think with the um uh it was funny, another component of the debate was that the population is collapsing.

01:31:58.000 Oh, that's why crime was down.

01:31:59.000 Yeah, that was an interesting point you guys made earlier.

01:32:01.000 Oh, one of the reasons why crime has been displayed.

01:32:02.000 Well, so uh tuberculosis is breaking out in Maine right now.

01:32:06.000 And uh let's let's let's actually, you know what, let's do an example.

01:32:09.000 I I let me uh let me pull this one up.

01:32:12.000 This is actually a really important story.

01:32:15.000 Uh this has to do with immigration.

01:32:18.000 Fox News reports three active tuberculosis cases reported in Maine as deadly disease continues to tick up across the country.

01:32:25.000 Uh TB killed around 1.3 million globally in 2022.

01:32:29.000 Uh, as in the last year, I believe there are about 10,000 uh 400 cases of tuberculosis in the United States.

01:32:35.000 That was a uh uh uh uh a high.

01:32:38.000 Uh it would been going down after 2011.

01:32:41.000 It is now at a considerable high.

01:32:43.000 I don't want to say it's a record or anything, I don't know for sure, but it is very, very high for this country.

01:32:47.000 And there's a very obvious reason why tuberculosis is so high right now in the United States.

01:32:53.000 Would anyone like to take a uh meandering guess?

01:32:56.000 Uh, maybe immune systems being destroyed from the last four years.

01:33:00.000 No, illegal immigrants.

01:33:01.000 Illegal immigrants. 1.00

01:33:02.000 That maybe too.

01:33:03.000 The mass importing of people from third world countries where tuberculosis is more common, as the United States has antibiotics and extremely easy to eradicate.

01:33:11.000 Uh actually a premise of a house episode we watched recently, where this uh fancy doctor who goes to Africa was like, TB is curable, but we won't give the drugs to these countries.

01:33:21.000 In the United States, you walk into the hospital, they hand you a little cup and say, Here's your medicine, you'll be fine in no time.

01:33:27.000 How is it then that TB is on the rise?

01:33:29.000 We imported tons of sick people from the third world. 1.00

01:33:31.000 Now here's what gets scarier.

01:33:33.000 The rate of increase, the amount of tuberculous tuberculosis cases should actually be going down considering fertility is down.

01:33:42.000 Another point that was made in the in the morning debate.

01:33:45.000 That when we say something like, hey, crime is down, the argument from the liberal crime is down, meaning we've done a good job of stopping violent crime.

01:33:53.000 Well, that's a spurious correlation.

01:33:55.000 The data suggests many things, one of which is with lower fertility means less young people.

01:34:00.000 The population increased only because of net migration from adults.

01:34:05.000 Crime is typically perpetrated by young men.

01:34:08.000 Uh mainly older teenage males commit crimes.

01:34:11.000 When fertility declines, 20 years from that point, you will have a smaller number of older teenage males, meaning your crime rate will go down.

01:34:20.000 It does not actually mean that crime as a percentage has gone down or you've done anything good as a society, it actually is bad.

01:34:27.000 So when tuberculosis is up, when Population is down, it's indicative of a higher rate of transmission, largely among illegal immigrant newcomer population. 1.00

01:34:38.000 This is really bad for the country.

01:34:40.000 So we shouldn't do it.

01:34:41.000 I've been playing a bunch of Crusader kings.

01:34:43.000 You guys ever play that game?

01:34:44.000 And it's just all about conquest and just just ripping people out of their homes. 1.00

01:34:49.000 You're just a king in the middle ages.

01:34:50.000 The way you would handle an immigration crisis.

01:34:52.000 I mean, really?

01:34:53.000 It's 1700.

01:34:54.000 What you would do in 1320.

01:34:55.000 You play civilization.

01:34:56.000 With a sword.

01:34:57.000 Dude, it is all that's the fast way.

01:35:00.000 I mean, that's the the ultimate way.

01:35:02.000 You know what I love?

01:35:03.000 Uh Civ 7, Civilization 7's bombed.

01:35:06.000 And I guess Foraxis is firing tons of people because of how bad the game was.

01:35:09.000 I guess it's what happened.

01:35:11.000 We have a competency crisis in this country.

01:35:13.000 But uh, I will say this.

01:35:14.000 To anybody who's played the civilization games, notably after I think four, when they introduced borders.

01:35:21.000 You played Civ, right?

01:35:22.000 All of all of them except seven.

01:35:24.000 Yeah, because I ain't gonna play it.

01:35:26.000 Okay, so anyway, uh, for those that are not familiar, Civilization is a recommendation for all of your children who are old enough to use a computer, keep them off the internet, but civilization is great.

01:35:35.000 I say four, where you get Leonard Nemo, Leonard Nimoy are reading all those things.

01:35:39.000 Four was fantastic.

01:35:41.000 So you have what you build a city.

01:35:42.000 The game is basically it starts with a single individual pioneer settler.

01:35:46.000 You build cities, you create your country, and over time you build a nation, advance technologically, and there are other nations you're rivaling, you're you know, at war with or allied with.

01:35:55.000 The game is civilization.

01:35:57.000 It's fun.

01:35:58.000 Well, in the game, someone will come to your border, and you will then have a meeting with their king, and maybe it's Caesar, maybe it's Abraham Lincoln, who knows?

01:36:06.000 And they will say, I propose open borders between our peoples.

01:36:10.000 And sometimes it's worth doing.

01:36:12.000 That means your people can move through their country and explore, and their people can move through your country and explore.

01:36:17.000 But for anybody who's played the game, the people who developed it understood something.

01:36:21.000 You will meet a rival nation on your border, they will ask for open borders, you will agree, and you'll start to notice military armed individuals from their country come through your country and then kind of just stand there.

01:36:35.000 And there's one guy standing like that that they put their military guy near my city just standing there.

01:36:40.000 Uh what's what's he doing?

01:36:41.000 And uh you'll say, Well, I guess we have open borders.

01:36:43.000 What's the big deal?

01:36:44.000 The next turn, another guy.

01:36:49.000 Then there's like seven military units from their country in your country through open borders.

01:36:54.000 And you'll send an emissary to their leader and say, What's the big deal?

01:36:57.000 And they'll say, Hey, we have open borders, what's the problem?

01:37:00.000 The next turn they attack you and take over your cities.

01:37:03.000 You open your borders, slowly they come in and tell you everything's fine, and then once they have critical mass, they say, uh, we're declaring war on you, and then they take over your city and you lose your country.

01:37:14.000 Anecdotally civilization.

01:37:15.000 One of the games, I think it was Civ 5, they made it so when they did do a surprise attack on you, all their units got moved out of your country by default.

01:37:22.000 It was super cheap because that's not what happens in real life.

01:37:24.000 In real life, they're already here.

01:37:26.000 So that's the point.

01:37:27.000 Yeah.

01:37:28.000 It is it is a really fascinating game where you can take over their country through culture.

01:37:32.000 Yeah, that's a cool.

01:37:33.000 That's what America likes to do. 1.00

01:37:34.000 Yeah, and science.

01:37:35.000 I like science.

01:37:36.000 Science because you can build the best military with the best science.

01:37:39.000 You can build the best culture with the best science.

01:37:40.000 I love I love that game because uh my strategy was always leave me alone, very libertarian American style.

01:37:47.000 And I would mass industry, technological development, mass militarization, but never war.

01:37:54.000 And then when the per when the country was stupid enough to declare war, I'd nuke them.

01:37:58.000 The reason I brought up the game, video games in general and games, and and just because this is it's such a traumatic, like it's this experience of this mass migration over the last four years has been such a traumatic exp on my psyche.

01:38:09.000 I mean, I don't I'm constantly thinking about like how do we deal with it without dragging people out of here, but you have to drag people out.

01:38:16.000 So northwards of twelve million in Biden's four years north of that.

01:38:21.000 That's six Idahoes. 1.00

01:38:24.000 And one Idaho is too many.

01:38:25.000 You can destroy an entire country.

01:38:27.000 Like Romans not all countries are destroyed by an invasion or uh a plague.

01:38:31.000 Sometimes you're destroyed because the the fabric of your society has been distorted to the point of destruction by immigration, rapid immigration. 1.00

01:38:39.000 Actually, I just want to clarify it was a joke.

01:38:41.000 Idaho's actually awesome.

01:38:42.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.

01:38:43.000 What is I know?

01:38:44.000 It is.

01:38:45.000 I I know I know people who have moved there because it's good family.

01:38:49.000 Yeah, I don't think it's great.

01:38:51.000 I knew it was a joke.

01:38:52.000 Uh yeah, yeah.

01:38:53.000 There's gonna be someone out there being like, how dare you, Tim?

01:38:55.000 I know who's great.

01:38:55.000 I know I'm awesome.

01:38:56.000 A lot of wide open space.

01:38:58.000 Potatoes.

01:38:59.000 So I I I'm looking at like, you know, how do we how do we handle now?

01:39:04.000 I'm like, oh, immigrants are coming here and bringing disease to our country now. 1.00

01:39:07.000 Handle and moving five supporting them.

01:39:09.000 55 million visa holders.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 They if they if they so much as sneeze wrong, they need to go.

01:39:17.000 Yes.

01:39:18.000 Right.

01:39:18.000 If you visa holder.

01:39:19.000 If they don't have to be a good one.

01:39:20.000 So like a covered a tourist shows up and they're just like, I'm very great to see our country.

01:39:25.000 Out.

01:39:25.000 Well, if they don't cover their nose, yes.

01:39:28.000 If they sneeze on someone, gotta go.

01:39:30.000 I mean, look, I'll go so far as if my cat sneezes, they're out.

01:39:33.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:39:34.000 But look, the point is we need to use every legal means necessary to remove the people that are here illegally. 1.00

01:39:42.000 And if you have a visa, you are here as a guest.

01:39:46.000 So if you break any of our laws, you do anything that is counter to uh American that is that will not benefit America or that will harm America, you just gotta go.

01:39:57.000 And I've I've said this a bunch of times, just like we're talking about with Hyundai.

01:40:01.000 If people employ illegals, go after the companies. 1.00

01:40:05.000 The Democrats say that all the time.

01:40:07.000 Go after the companies.

01:40:08.000 Yes, they're right on that.

01:40:09.000 Same thing with people that rent rent homes or apartments to illegals. 0.96

01:40:14.000 If you're doing if you're renting, if you knowingly renting to illegals, go. 1.00

01:40:19.000 They lose their property.

01:40:20.000 They got good skiing in Idaho.

01:40:22.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 Good mountains.

01:40:23.000 Do you think that there's like an an off-ramp or maybe a better phrase for that?

01:40:27.000 Like, is there a dissent after the immigration crisis that we're experiencing right now?

01:40:31.000 Like, is there a level of amount of people that have been extricated now that we can stop national emergency IC?

01:40:37.000 I want to see a complete shutdown of all immigration except for O one visas for the next decade. 0.99

01:40:46.000 Uh I I I think I think you'd agree with other visas.

01:40:51.000 Well, well, okay.

01:40:52.000 So the reason I specify L one O ones is because they are for their four people that are a benefit.

01:40:58.000 If if we have individual, I think it's like the K K visas. 0.99

01:41:02.000 If the if there are individuals that actually bring a benefit to the United States on an individual level, they can come.

01:41:10.000 Their family can't come.

01:41:12.000 Maybe a spouse and kids, but granny can't come. 1.00

01:41:15.000 You know, cousins can't come.

01:41:16.000 So so uh like what about someone who is marrying somebody?

01:41:21.000 That's the K1 visa. 0.87

01:41:22.000 Yeah, if you're married and your family, your immediate family can come.

01:41:26.000 Fiance, so if you're if you're gonna get married to someone, they get a K1 visa, they can come, and then you get married to him and they can be here.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, that I think is that's fine.

01:41:33.000 But but uh brother, there's so many visas.

01:41:35.000 I actually and I'm I I I agree with what you're saying.

01:41:38.000 I just think that for the sake of clarity, we can point out O one isn't the only visa you would personally approve of.

01:41:43.000 There's many of them.

01:41:44.000 My my yeah, my premise is if you are if you're gonna come to the United States and bring a specialty skill or something like that, then fine.

01:41:51.000 So there probably doesn't need to be as many types of visas.

01:41:54.000 You could probably cover that stuff with the.

01:41:55.000 But but let's go through this.

01:41:56.000 I I'd love to go through the the nitty-gritty of these visas.

01:41:59.000 So uh tourism visas largely are okay because you're like you have three months.

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:03.000 Um, but there's obviously people who seek to overstay and and and use that illegally.

01:42:07.000 Trump has said, we're gonna do a fee.

01:42:09.000 It's two fifty to apply.

01:42:10.000 When you leave, you get it back.

01:42:12.000 But there's business B1 business uh visitors.

01:42:14.000 Typically, when someone from uh uh like Allied Nations want to come here for business, they just show up and you have visa on entry. 0.97

01:42:21.000 Totally fine with it.

01:42:22.000 There's uh student and exchange programs.

01:42:25.000 Uh I actually think we should slice those way, way down.

01:42:28.000 So that's uh F M and J visas. 0.90

01:42:31.000 I I'm not I don't really care about having all these Chinese exchange students coming to the United States. 1.00

01:42:35.000 Anyone that's a visitor, they should either get like some like an air tag or an app in their phone so that way the federal government can monitor their location.

01:42:42.000 You're not a citizen, you have the right to privacy.

01:42:44.000 Let's play that game too.

01:42:45.000 Like, if you come here on a work visa, then we get to put an ankle monitor on you.

01:42:49.000 Yep.

01:42:49.000 I mean that figuratively, like we should be able to track you like you do not have the same rights, you are a visitor.

01:42:54.000 But let me let me point this out.

01:42:55.000 H1B, everybody knows.

01:42:57.000 H2A, gone.

01:42:59.000 That is temporary ag workers.

01:43:01.000 H2B, gone.

01:43:02.000 Temporary non-ag workers.

01:43:04.000 We don't need that.

01:43:05.000 H3 trainees, nope.

01:43:07.000 H4, dependents of H, no way.

01:43:10.000 The L1A and the L1B, intra company transferees, managers, executives, or specialized knowledge.

01:43:17.000 I say absolutely not.

01:43:18.000 So many of these other countries won't let the so in the United States, a Brazilian can open up can launch a company right now on the internet and then use that company to hire themselves and find a way to migrate here to the United States. 0.99

01:43:31.000 They don't allow that.

01:43:33.000 All these other countries, many of them don't allow us to send our our citizens to their country to be managers.

01:43:39.000 So I don't know why we do this.

01:43:40.000 Now there is the O1 extraordinary abilities, O2, support for O one visa holders.

01:43:44.000 O three and the dependence of the of the O one.

01:43:46.000 So the O visas we're largely okay with. 0.99

01:43:49.000 We're talking about like you're a rocket scientist coming here, his the staff members of the rocket scientist, Elon Musk or whatever, and the dependents, okay.

01:43:57.000 You you can't tell them they can't have their kids.

01:43:58.000 I'm actually helping sponsor the guy who invented flash jewel heating uh process.

01:44:03.000 There you go.

01:44:04.000 Yeah.

01:44:04.000 There's the P visas, artists, athletes, and uh performers, um, and their dependents.

01:44:10.000 I'm actually totally fine with that as well.

01:44:12.000 The the the issue there is just it's gotta be legitimate, qualifying, and they gotta basically pass the test.

01:44:18.000 Okay.

01:44:18.000 So which is if someone says I'm an extraordinary athlete, like we're literally talking about a pro basketball a baseball player from Japan.

01:44:25.000 Golfers, golfer, best of the best, world record breaker, and they're like, I want to come and play on the American team or golfer.

01:44:31.000 I'm totally cool with that.

01:44:32.000 No mariachi bands.

01:44:33.000 No, no.

01:44:34.000 What if it's the best mariachi band?

01:44:35.000 No.

01:44:37.000 Bro, mariachi bands are awesome.

01:44:39.000 They can be, but they can be skilled musicians, but I'm not a fan of Mariachi.

01:44:44.000 American mariachi bands.

01:44:45.000 Um and then there's the R visa holders. 1.00

01:44:48.000 Do you know what our visa holder is?

01:44:50.000 Religious workers.

01:44:51.000 No.

01:44:52.000 Depends on the religion.

01:44:55.000 Missionaries.

01:44:56.000 So I I'm actually uh I I say no to this completely because uh I don't think we should the the government should create a special class for someone on religious grounds to be here.

01:45:06.000 You're either here for a legitimate legitimate tourism reason, but th this argument would be that um uh m m Muslims can come as missionaries to the United States, and their right to be here is simply because they're Muslim.

01:45:20.000 I don't care if they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Confucius, Daoist, whatever.

01:45:26.000 Like someone being like, I should get to come to your country.

01:45:28.000 Why?

01:45:29.000 I'm a Taoist.

01:45:30.000 It's like come on.

01:45:31.000 Simply because you believe something you no, no, no, no, no.

01:45:33.000 You should allow Christian missionaries to come.

01:45:36.000 I don't think I don't think uh as much as I would prefer a Christian missionary over many other missionaries.

01:45:41.000 I don't think simply because you believe in a certain religion, because basically everyone's just gonna try and make that argument to gain access.

01:45:48.000 So uh societies have to make up their mind on stuff.

01:45:54.000 You know.

01:45:55.000 And one of the things we could make up our mind on is that Christianity is a blessing to society and other religions aren't. 1.00

01:46:04.000 I I uh it's funny because there are a lot of um I don't know what you'd call it, left the left people who also then found Christianity.

01:46:14.000 I don't know if I trust them, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blame someone for bettering their life.

01:46:18.000 And I personally know people who have been saved by Christianity.

01:46:22.000 I personally don't know people whose lives have been damaged by Christianity.

01:46:25.000 I've not heard stories like that.

01:46:26.000 These I've I I know drug addicts and former gang members who uh when they when they came to Christianity, they're they were saved.

01:46:33.000 They're they're they they live good lives.

01:46:35.000 The book I did with Christopher Hitchens, uh the title is Is Christianity good for the world?

01:46:40.000 And the I think the answer is resoundingly yes.

01:46:43.000 I uh happen to believe I don't think I don't want to make a pragmatic argument simply for Christianity, because I won't I'm a preacher, I want to say we should believe it because it's true, not because it's helpful.

01:46:55.000 Um because uh like you said, people can argue lots of self-help things are helpful.

01:47:02.000 Uh but basically you have to at some point missionaries are a thing.

01:47:07.000 Christianity is a missionary religion.

01:47:09.000 If we don't want some country that we have a trade agreement with banning Christian missionaries from America going there, then I don't think we should ban Christian missionaries coming from them.

01:47:21.000 You know, the historical revisionism is uh is interesting, and it's funny that Christians allowed it to happen. 1.00

01:47:29.000 When you hear these stories from the uh the leftist activists about like the oppression of the Native Americans and all that stuff, and it's just like you know, listen, I'm not gonna sit here and say that the law of 1600 was something we'd uphold today, okay?

01:47:41.000 I mean, bad things happen across the wars were bad and people did bad stuff, we get it, we get it.

01:47:46.000 But how are you gonna defend child sacrifice rituals and be and like ripping people's hearts out?

01:47:52.000 I'm not saying all Native Americans were bad, but this this argument that European Christian colonists were uniquely evil is just like, oh Spain, the Aztecs were one of the at least the history tells the story that the Aztecs who knows what they really were, but the Spanish tell us.

01:48:08.000 We've all seen apocalyptic Drinking drank it.

01:48:12.000 You were mentioning sports earlier.

01:48:13.000 The Mayans had a game it was not basketball, but it was a ball game.

01:48:19.000 And they would play uh and the losing team would be executed.

01:48:23.000 You know I thought that hey look the Romans at the Coliseum. 0.83

01:48:26.000 We got to we got to go to chat sorry to cut you up Oh I was about to talk about Christianity no wonder. 1.00

01:48:29.000 Well we gotta we gotta go to chats because we're we went a little bit of chats let's do this you guys smash that smash the like button share the show of course it's Friday night it's summertime everyone's out partying.

01:48:39.000 I get it but thank you all for hanging out with us.

01:48:41.000 65 when we get out of here 82 coming in 65 on the way out 79 degrees right now bro snap.

01:48:46.000 Oh snap all right Shane H. Wilder says everyone needs to congratulate Brett Dasovic he and Olivia are getting married this weekend they grew up so fast.

01:48:54.000 One minute they're talking about person of interest, the next they're getting hitched.

01:48:56.000 Congratulations.

01:48:57.000 Freaking rock.

01:48:58.000 To our very own Brett Daszak of Pop Culture Crisis getting married.

01:49:02.000 That's wonderful news.

01:49:04.000 You know, if you've never had a conversation with Brett, you should.

01:49:06.000 He's an excellent conversationalist.

01:49:07.000 Smart feller.

01:49:08.000 Cool guy.

01:49:09.000 Hops and Bruce says, I played drums on a cover of Sweet Home Alabama at a RCC family camp that Doug Wilson sang lead vocals in early 2000.

01:49:17.000 Is that true?

01:49:19.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 Birmingham, they love the governor.

01:49:21.000 They sure do.

01:49:22.000 What a great song, man.

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:49:28.000 That Neil Young guy.

01:49:29.000 Southern man, don't need him around anyhow. 0.99

01:49:31.000 Yeah, that's one of my favorite lines.

01:49:34.000 so good uh the the the story was that he he wrote a song Ragging on the South is that what it was yeah he wrote a song called Southern Man and Bull was bull whip's cracking and everything and Leonard Skinnard uh gave it right back to him that's cool.

01:49:49.000 Oh man all right what do we got here St. Miles says Tim ask your guest about the Bank of America burning in the 60s the Bank of America burning in the 60s I'm there were a number of burnings and bombings I don't remember that one there was the the Capitol uh in Washington DC was bombed it was in the 80s though wasn't it I think it was earlier than that.

01:50:15.000 And then um my high school in this in the 60s had an SDS chapter Students for Democratic Society which was basically a terrorist or organization.

01:50:26.000 Wow yeah it was uh it was a turbulent uh it really was a turbulent time this is 1970 February 25 Bank of America branch and is I I La Vista burned it was a big deal 1970 and did it ring a bell to you we got uh Guido he says my little girl will be 16 tomorrow she helped create the uh create an orchestra in our small town she helped me restore her truck and she gives me hope for Gen Z. Happy birthday Abby shout out I I am envious uh

01:50:56.000 I have very few regrets, if any at all, but I wish my wife and I had our kids sooner.

01:51:01.000 I wish we were doing family stuff a lot.

01:51:02.000 Everybody says that, and I'm like, ah.

01:51:04.000 Yep.

01:51:06.000 Today, my daughter's, it's not the first time, but she was on her tummy, kicking her feet, going da-da-da-da-da.

01:51:13.000 Yeah, she got good rhythm.

01:51:14.000 And she's singing.

01:51:16.000 We play music for her, and last week she's going da-da-da.

01:51:21.000 I was probably like, two months ago, I think we were in the car driving, Alison was driving and you were in the backseat with the the girl and um you were singing and then she was like you were like dot that dot dot she was like ah and to the untrained ear you just think she was making but I could hear her tone she was mimicking you.

01:51:38.000 Oh, bro.

01:51:39.000 Brilliant child.

01:51:40.000 I filmed a video today.

01:51:41.000 She just looked at me and went, Ha! 1.00

01:51:43.000 Ha! 0.89

01:51:45.000 And I'm like, this is awesome.

01:51:47.000 She's singing.

01:51:47.000 She's just screaming.

01:51:48.000 Ha! 0.89

01:51:49.000 Ha! 0.89

01:51:49.000 Well. 0.89

01:51:49.000 That's what I wake up to. 0.89

01:51:51.000 She's six and a half months.

01:51:52.000 It's just I wake up to, Ha!

01:51:53.000 Ha! 0.89

01:51:55.000 But now she's vocalizing.

01:51:57.000 She's been vocalizing a little bit more and more and more.

01:51:59.000 It's great.

01:52:00.000 So now she says, She said, La, la, la today for the first time.

01:52:03.000 La.

01:52:04.000 Yeah.

01:52:04.000 It's a big...

01:52:05.000 You may wish that you had started earlier, it's amazing how fast it goes by yeah it goes by really fast yeah it's just because I need you know we need someone to do chores it's like oh you know what I mean 16 right now I'd be like hey go pick up the mail nah but the time will come the time will come we're excited all right and so my recommendation to everybody and you don't need to hear it from me but you know when you can do what you can have a family it's fun Colin Christie says,

01:52:31.000 Tim, you're slowly marching back to Christianity, much like this former Altar Boy marched back to Catholicism this last Palm Sunday, you're a good person, my man.

01:52:39.000 There have been people who have said, Tim, how come you praise Christianity but you won't just be a Christian?

01:52:44.000 And it's like I can recognize objective good coming from my friends, the ideas they push, the history of this nation, that doesn't mean that I believe.

01:52:54.000 And I'm not going to lie to you and pretend to believe because it earns me brownie points.

01:52:58.000 Pretty sure if I came out and claimed to be a Christian, I'd get more followers or something.

01:53:01.000 I just I don't know.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, you can't lie your way into God's good graces.

01:53:05.000 Yeah.

01:53:06.000 So um let me offer a definition of what it is to prove something.

01:53:11.000 You've proven something, whether it's theological or any other proof, when you have created a moral obligation to agree with it.

01:53:20.000 So when someone presents you with the gospel and it would be you committing a sin to say no.

01:53:28.000 That's the point where you need to submit.

01:53:31.000 Um if if you're fighting against what you know to be true, then that is the problem.

01:53:36.000 Um but until until you know it to be true, you it'd be bad to for political reasons or social reasons to conform to something that you're not convinced for personal gain.

01:53:50.000 I'll I'll keep it simple simple for everybody.

01:53:52.000 Uh I believe in God.

01:53:54.000 I believe we have purpose.

01:53:55.000 I believe that God has a mandate for us and a plan for us, but I don't believe the the uh the Christian faith base. 1.00

01:54:05.000 I don't believe the Jewish fa Jewish faith base. 0.97

01:54:07.000 Well, the Jewish the b the center of the faith base for Christians is that Jesus rose from the dead.

01:54:12.000 If if Jesus rose from the dead, everything follows.

01:54:15.000 If he didn't, then it doesn't.

01:54:17.000 That's the that's the linchpin.

01:54:19.000 Yeah, I I uh I would say that I am uh agnostic on the resurrection.

01:54:23.000 I don't I don't uh it just I don't believe it.

01:54:26.000 In in my mind, I think about it, there there are something, some there's a lot of things that I believe and I am passionate about.

01:54:31.000 This is not one of them, and I'm not gonna lie to people and pretend that I am for the sake of the but think about this.

01:54:35.000 Even the atheist, even the materialistic atheist believes in life from the dead, because for him, everything was once inorganic matter.

01:54:45.000 And here we are.

01:54:47.000 We are outstretchings of uh piles upon piles of dead.

01:54:51.000 Right.

01:54:52.000 So Christians are those who believe that life from the dead, God created Adam out of the dust of the ground. 0.81

01:54:58.000 The atheist believes that evolution, uh that we evolved out of the primordial goo, but in both cases, inanimate matter, animate matter.

01:55:07.000 Well uh Christians are the ones who believe it will happen again. 1.00

01:55:10.000 Atheists are wrong. 1.00

01:55:11.000 Uh I believe atheists are incorrect. 1.00

01:55:13.000 I believe that uh w uh even from the most secular of liberal worldviews, the if you were uh the probability based on what we think we know in science today, uh leans towards the existence of God.

01:55:26.000 Yeah.

01:55:27.000 I actually believe it's observable that there is God based on what is observable in the universe and what humans have collected as knowledge already.

01:55:34.000 Lately, but now I'm like, but your perceptions can be flawed.

01:55:36.000 So like if everything seems like it's God, it could be a bunch of other stuff that's making it seem like that.

01:55:42.000 The end ro in road of that is you're gonna be wind up as a brain in a vat.

01:55:45.000 Well, it's just you don't have to believe in anything.

01:55:47.000 It's but I would put it like that.

01:55:50.000 If you believe that science, as we've collected the information and operate upon today is true, then this predicts the existence of God.

01:55:59.000 And it's it's there's an elaboration.

01:56:02.000 There I I I have arguments with atheists all the time where they say they they they don't understand.

01:56:06.000 I know it's overly simplistic what I'm saying.

01:56:08.000 But the the simplest of versions is that uh life organizes, life life creates order within systems of entropy, and there is no reason to believe that life is the end all be all of the creation of complex systems.

01:56:22.000 So whether it be the organization of matter from particles into denser elements or molecules into single cell, multi-cell, then finally life as we know it on the planet, then the systems that life creates, then the language and the math and the abstract.

01:56:37.000 Humans can create order in thought that exists in no tangible reality.

01:56:42.000 So this predicts there will be a higher level.

01:56:45.000 We don't we mathematically it makes no sense.

01:56:47.000 It's like a Sudoku puzzle.

01:56:49.000 We can see that the we we can't see what's there, but we know that everything's pointing to the existence of a higher form of order.

01:56:54.000 This I think leads to uh gives us at the bare minimum a simple probability of the existence of God.

01:57:01.000 Probability, probable.

01:57:02.000 And that that means if you're going to live your if you're gonna play an E V plus life where you're like, what makes the most sense?

01:57:08.000 The the the dice roll you would always want to take is there's a God.

01:57:11.000 Now, I actually could argue with someone for not argue, but I could go into great detail for hours explaining why I believe actually you can calculate to the point where God exists.

01:57:18.000 I'm not the first person to come up with this.

01:57:19.000 I actually read someone else's thesis, where the end result is singularity is the existence of a supreme power uh over the universe.

01:57:27.000 I think that makes a lot of sense.

01:57:28.000 And it the other the flip side is if you postulate no God, then you have incoherent you can't know anything, you can't even know that there is no God.

01:57:38.000 Uh because it's just the universe is just a blind concourse of atoms cascading down through history.

01:57:45.000 And if I if I took a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper and I shook them up and they both were fizzing over, and I said, now which one's winning the debate you would say, Well, they're not debating, they're just fizzing.

01:57:59.000 But if there is no God, all our chem all our thoughts are are what these chemicals do at this temperature and under this pressure.

01:58:07.000 And I've therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts to be true, and therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts are composed of it.

01:58:13.000 This this predicts a God.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, so let me I try to explain it.

01:58:16.000 Listen, yeah.

01:58:17.000 If if if uh to the atheists and secular liberals out there who say we're just wet robots, yeah, your consciousness as a function in the code of the universe is inside of the universe.

01:58:31.000 This means the universe has consciousness.

01:58:34.000 Okay.

01:58:35.000 So there's two things to state there.

01:58:38.000 They're pr this this predicts the existence of higher degrees of consciousness, which isn't necessarily God, but also that if you like.

01:58:47.000 Are you familiar with the con I believe you're probably familiar with Einsteinian God?

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:51.000 This is simply that the universe may be God itself, God may be the logic and the code of the universe, the logos, whatever it may be.

01:58:56.000 Christians, I I believe I'm not wanna speak for you, but that we are in the image of God, God has a form of man of some sort.

01:59:02.000 Yes.

01:59:03.000 Uh I believe that God is infinite, uh infinite and infinite, infinite, and uh we can only perceive a a small component within what is possible in our minds.

01:59:14.000 But imagine there is a computer that is programmed by a man, and this computer is capable of simulating a universe.

01:59:23.000 The in Grand Theft Auto, for instance, the people that walk around in this game and say things are not singular in sold entities.

01:59:32.000 They are actually the exact same as the brick wall next to them, as far as the code is concerned.

01:59:38.000 If you are a liberal secular atheist who thinks that we're just wet robots living within the universe, your consciousness is a piece of the universe, the universe has consciousness.

01:59:50.000 So just start to explore that and take it to its logical conclusions.

01:59:53.000 This the the expansion of life as we know it, we don't humans if you we don't believe we're the end all be all of consciousness and intelligence.

02:00:00.000 So this suggests there is likely a higher degree.

02:00:03.000 Uh if you look below us, from ants to microbes to dogs to squirrels, we can see varying degree of consciousness.

02:00:08.000 There's no reason to believe that humans are the supreme form of consciousness or conscious entity.

02:00:11.000 The universe has consciousness within it.

02:00:13.000 We as components of the universe prove that the universe has consciousness, and there likely exists higher forms of consciousness than ours.

02:00:20.000 If we look at the scale of the fundamental particles as it scales up in physical reality into humans, this predicts it moves towards a singularity, a higher power above all, and uh and forms of order we can't comprehend infinity.

02:00:36.000 So I I I I'm oversimplifying it.

02:00:39.000 Well, that's the thing about agnosticism is it is simple.

02:00:41.000 We need someone to play the organ here.

02:00:43.000 Yeah.

02:00:45.000 I will say this, and we'll get we'll get some more super chats in.

02:00:48.000 Everything I've stated, this is why I don't follow Christianity or believe in Christ or anything like that.

02:00:52.000 None of that predicts the resurrection of a Christ as it as in as what I'm describing.

02:00:56.000 All I've done is, you know, I I had a little bit of theology when I was in, I went to Catholic school, learned a bit about what they're saying, read science and quantum physics, read some philosophy, thought about it for a bit, and I was like, now I'm not gonna pretend to understand the universe, but certainly all of these pieces together, like a Sudoku puzzle, predict that there is a higher power, or at least the probability lies in the existence of a God.

02:01:17.000 And then if you vape, I was gonna say, and then you vape the MT.

02:01:20.000 And uh oh well, then I would want to say, and this God is a father, and in Francis Schaefer's title of a book, he is there and he is not silent.

02:01:30.000 So God is uh not closed off from us.

02:01:35.000 He reveals himself.

02:01:36.000 This is why I don't like de uh uh be calling being called a deist.

02:01:39.000 People have said, oh, you don't follow Christianity, but you believe in God, so you're a deist.

02:01:42.000 But deists believe that God does not intervene.

02:01:44.000 I believe God intervenes.

02:01:45.000 Uh and I'll say it in the exact same argument I made.

02:01:48.000 If there is a higher form of consciousness and being beyond us, we are not the end all be all of consciousness, then uh uh our motivations are simplistic relative to the to the higher form of consciousness, indicating there's gonna be a degree of interaction from the higher forms of higher being or ultimate supreme being with the universe.

02:02:05.000 That's like I've been into Taoism lately.

02:02:07.000 I think I've always been into Taoism for 20 years or so, and it's the flowing of of nature, the way, the Tao means the way.

02:02:13.000 And I think it's magnetism.

02:02:14.000 I think they they tapped into the magnetic flow of nature.

02:02:17.000 They just didn't know what magnetism was back then, and that's that's where I'm at spiritually, is that we are we're going over I got I want to grab a couple of the super chats.

02:02:24.000 I don't want to leave you guys hanging.

02:02:25.000 So uh let's read this.

02:02:27.000 RT says, start a new tradition.

02:02:28.000 I'm currently making a baby while watching the show.

02:02:31.000 Oh, holler. 1.00

02:02:32.000 Turn it up, bruh.

02:02:34.000 You hear my voice, baby.

02:02:35.000 Please stop cutting the camera to Ian.

02:02:37.000 It's making this difficult.

02:02:38.000 We'll remember.

02:02:39.000 It'll get easier in the future.

02:02:41.000 Keep watching.

02:02:42.000 So we have a tradition when people's children are being born, they'll chat into the show and say, my child is being born right now, and and we read the chat for them.

02:02:50.000 And so new tradition, they're gonna make it sorry about that.

02:02:55.000 Nice job.

02:02:55.000 You know, it's pr it's pretty crazy.

02:02:57.000 Um someone with so many grandchildren and children certainly understands this, but um one year ago, my wife was pregnant and she had been pregnant for a few months.

02:03:06.000 And so the baby has been here, despite her only being about six months old, she's been here much longer than this.

02:03:10.000 It's kind of like 15 months old.

02:03:12.000 As far as we are concerned with the conversations we've had and uh the way we've we've acted, the baby has been here the moment my wife.

02:03:21.000 If the baby had a neural implant from conception, you would know that it was a living creature communicating with you from like two months.

02:03:27.000 Ian, all you have to do is put your hand on the pregnant woman's belly and you will know. 0.99

02:03:32.000 Well, you'll feel it moving.

02:03:33.000 But once you have a conversation with it, you'll realize, oh, it doesn't start being alive at nine months.

02:03:39.000 Yeah, you know that it's alive long before nine.

02:03:41.000 And probably conscious, well before 100%.

02:03:44.000 It's reactive, absolutely.

02:03:46.000 Let's grab one more.

02:03:46.000 We got Big Lean.

02:03:47.000 He says, for every illegal you find at your company, you're find one million dollars.

02:03:50.000 Every illegal from your from your country we find increase the terrifying you by point one percent.

02:03:56.000 I will say this.

02:03:58.000 If the illegal immigrant defrauded the employer, I don't blame the employer.

02:04:02.000 If someone went to apply for a job and they had an ID and said, I am an employ a citizen of this country and I'm legally allowed to work here, I don't blame the the employer for that because there's limited, they're defrauding you, they're tricking you.

02:04:13.000 If the employer is proven to be complicit in the hiring of illegal immigrants, then 100% yes. 1.00

02:04:18.000 But it is Friday night.

02:04:19.000 So we're gonna wrap it up there, my friend.

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02:05:04.000 Great to meet you, man.

02:05:05.000 Thanks for coming, dude.

02:05:06.000 That was awesome.

02:05:06.000 Hey, maybe one day in the future we'll go deeper on theology.

02:05:09.000 That was super neat.

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