Donald Trump is considering deploying the National Guard into Portland, Maine to end 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots in the city. Speaker Johnson says Trump is an FBI informant. Could that be bad news for Trump and his business deals?
00:03:16.000Now I've been directly involved in on the ground news for about 15 years, and then I realized this is the first time in my career riot season is just not there.
00:03:28.000And and we talked a little bit about it as we were we're getting ready and doing pre-production like, well, there was the LA stuff.
00:03:33.000Yeah, and then Trump sent in the military.
00:03:50.000Is it that sending in the National Guard and the Marines was extremely effective?
00:03:54.000Or as many who are sitting here pointing out, maybe that once USAID money was gone, the NGOs and organizations that were funding and organizing these riots and protests are gone.
00:04:31.000Trump was an Epstein uh FBI informant.
00:04:34.000Which is interesting because maybe that was a slip-up he shouldn't have said.
00:04:38.000Maybe the issue Trump is concerned about.
00:04:40.000And I'm not saying it's definitive, but could it be that it these documents will reveal Trump has been secretly working with the FBI for decades and snitching on powerful individuals.
00:04:51.000Could that be really, really bad for him and his business deals and the Trump organization?
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00:08:32.000We're having a great debate this morning about the National Guard, but we're joined by Doug Wilson.
00:09:05.000I've been thinking a lot about this too, because I'm sort of been lately like Americanism's kind of like the new religion.
00:09:10.000It's like um like after Christianity, it turned we we kept some of the virtues and we got rid of some of the sins like pride and but it's very interesting how they they're so connected, you know, Christianity and being an American.
00:09:46.000If we go to Portland, we're going to wipe them out.
00:09:49.000It's a bold statement, but there is something interesting in this.
00:09:53.000Even though they've been ongoing for 80 days, nobody really cares because they're not doing anything.
00:09:57.000I mean, there was that one video where the local resident that black woman was was upset saying they're banging pots and pans.
00:10:02.000But a bunch of, you know, like a couple dozen leftists banging pots and pants is a local news issue.
00:10:08.000It's it's it's not widespread national protests.
00:10:11.000I'm gonna go ahead and say, I think Trump sending an ICE, shutting down USAID and deploying deploying the National Guard into the LA riots has basically shut the left up.
00:10:22.000And I don't know, maybe it's the calm before the storm, but it feels like Antifa is gone.
00:10:29.000And so are the Proud Boys only it's sort of the fear of the proud the whole fear of like domestic terrorism is kind of gone.
00:10:35.000It's more about illegal immigration and and the domestic terrorism that could come from something like that, like an Iranian, you know, sleeper cell or something like that.
00:10:44.000I'm not sure that does that qualify as domestic if it's someone's Iran that comes in illegal or that had come in illegally a couple years back.
00:11:28.000That was when Punchanazi was such a prevalent phrase that you heard on the left.
00:11:32.000It was like, you know, go go out there and make these people stop talking and shut them up.
00:11:37.000And that was when the the conversation about the freedom of speech, like whether it was something that the United States is worth, you know, the United States should be protecting.
00:11:45.000You know, whether it was worth it or not, because the argument from the left was always, oh, there's all these vulnerable communities and all these poor people are getting harmed by by people speaking and having these sharing these bad thoughts.
00:11:56.000So I I don't think that I don't think that Antifa is or I'm sorry, I I don't think that that the Proud Boys have much to do with it, because like I said, they were a reaction to, you know, six, seven years of Antifa literally going out and causing massive problems all over the country.
00:12:14.000One of the things that's important to remember here, and what I think is behind this is in Ecclesiastes it says where justice is not speedily executed upon the criminal, there the heart of man is filled to do evil.
00:12:29.000If if Trump says I'm not gonna put up with this nonsense, and we're gonna send to the National Guard, and the and in uh Washington, DC, and the crime rate plummets, people notice, right?
00:12:41.000And uh Portland and Seattle, I'm that's out in my neck of the woods.
00:12:55.000Um so the the blue state, the blue city governors have been basically making their cities unlivable.
00:13:03.000Uh down downtown Seattle and particularly downtown Portland are just unlivable.
00:13:09.000And so uh, and it's not just Antifa, it's not just the activists, it's also the homeless and the just the lack of any kind of societal discipline.
00:13:20.000And Trump is simply saying we're not gonna put up with it anymore.
00:13:26.000If you don't have the funding from USAID, and bad things are going to happen to you if you start throwing bricks through the windows, then look.
00:13:35.000I'm curious about the you mentioned USAID.
00:13:38.000What is you know, what is your opinion about how much USAID had uh had been influencing the protests and and all of the things that were going on?
00:13:48.000Because to be honest with you, and the reason I say this is like before before Trump, right, before 2016, 2015, 2016, I knew there were people that would protest.
00:13:59.000I mean, obviously there was the Michael Brown protest in Ferguson and all the all the riots and and that.
00:14:05.000But I don't think that there was as much pushback on just the right more so broadly, right?
00:14:13.000Like I you didn't see people going after speakers on college campuses.
00:14:17.000You didn't see people going after um, you know, after after anyone that was considered conservative.
00:14:22.000Do you think that the USAID money and and influence do you think that that was a major factor in what was going on then?
00:14:30.000Or do you think that that was that it's just a coincidence that after USAID has been kind of shut down that the No, I think it's a major play.
00:14:38.000I think it has been a major player um funding all kinds of different activism.
00:14:43.000So sometimes when things were calmer, they would they would fund AstroTurf protests and that sort of thing.
00:15:07.000And so I think that it it was uh was a major player, and you cut the supply line, and one of the principles of war is you cut the supply lines, and I think what that's what Trump has done is he's cut the supply line.
00:15:20.000Well, with uh I agree with you about harsh cracking down on crime right away, otherwise it gets out of hand.
00:15:25.000And I thought the summer of love they called it those riots that just kind of got out of control.
00:15:30.000And then three days later and no National Guard presence, I'm like first day I was working with Tim and I was like, where's the National Guard, bro?
00:15:37.000And uh it took a while, and we saw the response to that.
00:15:40.000But the problem here that I I'm having internally is that this doesn't seem like an acute problem.
00:15:45.000This isn't a riot that needs to be put down.
00:15:47.000It's not like an acute issue that needs to be stomped down by the by the National Guard.
00:15:51.000It's like chronic crime that's like a forever problem.
00:15:55.000What's temporary sending the National Guard to cities other than DC?
00:15:58.000DC they have jurisdiction, but like it's he's talking about the attacks on ice, the ICE um the the ICE agents who are uh arresting illegals being attacked.
00:16:08.000Um so he's not I don't think he's trying to fix crime generally.
00:16:28.000So the strategy that Trump has largely employed was by having them there, criminals are scared because if you engage military, they can respond, they can defend themselves.
00:16:39.000So the idea is basically like, hey, don't mess around while these guys are here.
00:16:43.000Did they give an like an end date for taking the feds out, or is it just like until violent violence decreases uh there it's this is interesting because I think recently there was a stay on the restrictions Trump is allowed to keep operating the National Guard in California.
00:16:59.000I think uh we're dealing with an unprecedented, I shouldn't say unprecedented, but a generational calm, at least in my my adult life.
00:17:08.000I mean, in my in my teen years, you had obviously the you you had the the riots and the protests around George W. Bush with Obama, you got uh Occupy.
00:17:17.000Uh even Obama's second term, you still had protests and riots.
00:17:20.000You had the the BLM emerged during Obama's presidency, and then in 2014 escalating into, of course, the Ferguson riots.
00:19:05.000Which is why I'm like something feels weird.
00:19:07.000I was I went to the Daily Mail today, I was reading the news, and their top story said outbreak of the world's deadliest disease, and I was like, the the picture they used was just a picture of a bay, and I was like, okay, this must be the slowest news day in a long time.
00:19:20.000And it was a report about an increase in tuberculosis, which is kind of serious, but really in that's got kind of a local story in Maine.
00:19:46.000Uh Ian, you you're you mentioned like 2014 or whatever.
00:19:50.000That does coincide with the end of the or with the uh Smith Modernization Act, which we've talked about, you know, the act that allowed it, the the modernization act allowed uh State Department to disseminate pro basically propaganda for the to the American people.
00:20:05.000And that was in the I believe it was the 2013 NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act.
00:20:12.000So I don't know if the USAID money was being, I don't have evidence that it was, but it is a coincidence that at the same, you know, right around the same time that the Smith Want Modernization Act was signed into law, and then you saw this uptick of all this, you know, essentially, you know, tumult in the United States from the left.
00:20:36.000Also keep in mind that the um the liberal progressive mind doesn't didn't flip a switch where it's violent all of us all of a sudden.
00:20:46.000They have to work themselves up to it.
00:20:48.000They have so Thomas Sowell has the subtitle of one of his books is um Vision of the Anointed, and the subtitle is self-congratulation as the basis for social policy.
00:20:59.000Um liberals, progressives like to think of themselves as the civilized people in the room, the moral people in the room, the intelligent people in the room.
00:21:09.000And USI USAID uh presented itself as foreign aid, you know, aid for programs overseas.
00:21:16.000We're gonna help child, we're gonna help the children, we're gonna build democracy, we're gonna do all these um things full of sweetness and light.
00:21:24.000But and it it became violent by degrees.
00:21:29.000It's not something you just you don't go out to save the world, join the Peace Corps, and then overnight you turn into a a monster.
00:21:39.000It has to be a process of corruption and uh like intellectual self-deception.
00:21:45.000And I I believe that we got to this period of long chain of riots uh where the they talked themselves into believing they really were saving democracy, and it was the it was that famous uh the equivalent of that general statement of the Vietnam War, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.
00:22:04.000We we the liberals think they've gotten to the point where they believe they have to destroy democracy in order to save it.
00:22:10.000I I I prefer the more uh contemporary We Did It Patrick, uh for those that aren't familiar, it is this.
00:22:15.000We did it, Patrick, we saved the city, and it is uh SpongeBob and Patrick in a city that's on fire and everything's being destroyed.
00:22:26.000That was I didn't I never heard that before about the Vietnam uh ethos.
00:22:29.000They were like, Was that like a government thing they had to say, or was that just a couple of things?
00:22:32.000No, that was a famous quote from a general.
00:22:34.000They had obliterated a village, and he said, Well, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.
00:22:42.000And every okay, everybody sees on that.
00:22:44.000And and I think that the progressives have gotten to the point where they they sincerely believe that if they fight to overturn what the people all voted for, and you know, they voted Trump in.
00:22:58.000He's doing exactly what he said he was gonna do.
00:23:01.000Um, well, that's obviously anti-democratic because they define democracy as getting their way.
00:23:23.000He's like one of my best friends for 30 years for 40 years at that point, and it was so shocking to hear that come out of his mouth.
00:23:29.000I I I don't I don't know if I should just be in a really good mood.
00:23:33.000Because I was saying this like a month ago or so, uh a month or so ago.
00:23:36.000When I was younger, my attitude was very much people care too much about sports.
00:23:41.000They would rather watch the baseball game than care about the war and what's going on in this world, and you know, I'm protesting, I'm angry, and I'm like, you mean to tell me that Barack Obama's blowing up kids and you'd rather watch a football game.
00:23:52.000And then I realized when everyone started caring more about politics than sports, there's a lot of stupid people who wield power in very dangerous ways.
00:24:27.000Like there's still it's significantly less in the United States, at least in the United States.
00:24:30.000And I now grant that if you're gonna go ahead and expand your your the context to the whole world, there's always bad stuff going on somewhere in the world that you can point to and say, oh, things aren't perfect.
00:24:41.000But in the United States, like the fact that there are not, you know, riots in every city that we haven't had massive riots, that stuff, even if it doesn't affect us as individuals, um, it affects a lot of individuals.
00:24:54.000Like if you're you know, if you own a business and someone throws a Molotov cocktail through your window, or even just a rock through your window.
00:25:03.000That sucks, you know, and that's that affects a lot of people.
00:25:05.000You don't want that stuff in your society at all.
00:25:07.000I I've been uh uh you know, I'll there's a lot of people kind of freaking out because views are way down across the board across a bunch of different podcasts, revenue is on the decline.
00:25:15.000It's it's summer, ad rates are down, it's kind of normal.
00:25:17.000But it is a it is an unusually low interest right now.
00:25:21.000There's very little news to talk about Congress.
00:25:24.000Even when Congress is in session, there's not a lot going on.
00:25:26.000Like even the Epstein stuff is like, we get it, you know what I mean?
00:25:30.000Like they come back from recess, and then here we are, the discharge petition and all that stuff.
00:25:34.000And I've I've actually been uh a fairly optimistic.
00:25:38.000Um we're we're working out a bunch of projects.
00:25:40.000We're working on uh uh uh other news project talking about mini documentaries.
00:25:43.000I launched a new channel at Tim Pool where uh it's kind of just an opportunity to do other content outside of this kind of this culture war that we've been entrenched in.
00:25:52.000And um the culture war show debate show we're doing is is more evergreen political debates.
00:25:57.000We're actually talking with some networks about doing full seasons and getting funding, and I'm like, man, it's actually a great opportunity for business development.
00:26:04.000It's new and exciting, and I don't have to worry about far leftist smashing things and you know, I like kind of seems like we at least have 90% of the battlefield at this point, and the left has just totally been washed out.
00:26:18.000I mean, Cracker Barrel, Bud Light, Target, uh uh even Hooters is trying to rebrand to be family friendly now.
00:26:30.000No, no, yeah, Hooters announced that they're gonna do a rebrand to try and be more of a family-friendly location, and I'm like, change your name.
00:26:42.000Man, uh you know, there's a there's a story we have pulled up that we'll get to in a little bit, uh, about how Gen Z men don't believe in gender equality, whatever that means.
00:26:54.000Young men are skewing more religious, they're more likely to be conservative.
00:26:57.000This shift, I think, is resulting like we You know, I'll put it this way.
00:27:02.000My prediction was first, because of the low birth rates of the 2000s and the financial crisis, that uh we were going to one, we're gonna have a population cultural crisis.
00:27:13.000But another component of that that I've been talking about for years is that it was largely liberals who weren't having kids and religious conservatives were.
00:27:22.000If liberals don't have kids and conservatives do, give it twenty years, and you've got a generation that is more likely to be conservative and religious.
00:27:30.000And I think one of the reasons, not just the deployment of troops, but one of the reasons why riot season may be simmering down and why it's probably gonna go away, there aren't enough children of leftist ideology anymore.
00:27:41.000They you know, people tell me, yeah, but the universities are indoctrinating conservatives' children.
00:27:47.000Uh parents will always have more influence than universities.
00:27:51.000Some kids from conservative families will go leftist, but it's not a guarantee.
00:27:55.000Now, if you're born to a purple haired pair of moms, or I should say if you're born, you know, surrogacy or whatever to two dads or whatever, you're likely going to you're more likely to hold that ideology to be leftist.
00:28:07.000On the college thing, keep in mind that the colleges across the country are about to go off a demographic cliff.
00:28:51.000It's way better for you than you realize.
00:28:53.000When you look at the fertility rates among uh younger millennials and Gen Z, which is the the principal uh um fertility years for young women, it is estimated between 0.3 and 0.8 among uh in general.
00:29:07.000Now, this is of course because liberals have none and conservatives have one.
00:29:11.000It's worth pointing out too um political affiliation is actually pretty heritable.
00:29:16.000Like if you have if you're ca if you're a conservative, you're likely to have kids that are conservative.
00:29:20.000They might rebel when they're young, but by the time they reach adulthood, they're probably going to be similar political.
00:29:27.000Real quick to your point, when you're saying you're seeing like four and five kids, yeah, the the parents are probably what in their like early 30s?
00:29:45.000And one more great grandchild on the way.
00:29:48.000So my wife and I are just a humble couple, and we have multiple descendants, and my my kids, one kid has five, another kid has five, the other has eight.
00:29:59.000So you're how old is your oldest great grandchild?
00:31:00.000You're you're 20 of your first kid, you're 40 your first grandkid, 60 your first great grandkid, by the time you're 80, your great great grandchild is there.
00:31:05.000I was thinking about life extension and how it might be possible for people to live till they're 200, and then all of a sudden you're gonna be the same biological age as your great great great great grandchild, and you're both gonna look at each other like you're both 30 year olds with healthy genetics.
00:31:17.000That movie with um Justin Timberlake and uh Olivia Wilde.
00:31:21.000I didn't see that everybody stops aging at 30 or something.
00:31:24.000Is the time where they have one of the worst movies I've ever seen, by the way, but the idea was that Once you once once you invent genetic immortality, they had to create a way to facilitate dying, and so time is money and it's on your arm, and the movie's really bad, but it's an interesting idea.
00:31:42.000So jumping back to the point you made about uh the uh Gen Z becoming more religious, more conservative.
00:31:50.000Uh one of the things I like to say uh observe is that in the long run, stupidity never works.
00:31:57.000And there um human beings have a need for the transcendent.
00:32:03.000You you can't treat human society like we're all rats in a maze, and there is nothing above the maze.
00:32:09.000Uh uh it says in Ecclesiastes again, God has put eternity in our hearts.
00:32:26.000That's gonna that's gonna collapse under it any weight you try to put on it.
00:32:30.000Uh and that that means there's a religious hunger that people have, and if you you can stifle it for a time, but we're in the middle of a massive recoil.
00:32:40.000People are saying I need something more I need something more than this.
00:32:43.000I I I hate to uh bring it up now for the third night in a row, but I commented on a new song by the singer Haley Williams.
00:32:49.000She was the paramour singer, she put out an album, solo album, and in the song she put out, there's a line saying, I'm going on a paraphrase.
00:32:55.000She's like, I'm going on 37, and I have no idea what the ever living F I'm doing here.
00:33:31.000I feel like there for the secular atheists, your purpose is to create, to organize, to to to to uh uh to work towards order.
00:33:41.000But but the thing that that I would add to that, all this is good, but you have to have someone that's outside the human condition who approves of it.
00:33:52.000You can't just say we're bits of protoplasm, we're just flatsum and jetsum on the ocean of being.
00:33:58.000Yeah, I mean that's a good way to put it.
00:34:01.000Lots of and jetsum on the ocean of being.
00:34:03.000Yeah, I mean, uh essentially the argument that you're talking about is is you know, without some kind of foundation, then life has no meaning, right?
00:34:13.000Like if without God or or without a spiritual anchor, then you're then there is no meaning to life.
00:34:19.000And people can say, well, I have this meaning and I have that meaning, but if your meaning is all subjective and there's no rock that it's based on, or no serious foundation, then your subjective meaning doesn't mean anything to me.
00:34:33.000We we we do I really want to get to this next story about the absolute thing, but I want to make one more quick point on uh uh I say it all the time, I'm not a Christian, um, but my view of divine mandate is the sim as as simplistic as simple as I can put it, which doesn't really get to the context.
00:34:49.000No one says create order, build, grow, or quite simply be fruitful and multiply.
00:34:54.000But there's more than just be fruitful and multiply.
00:34:56.000There is be good stewards of the earth, protect others, and stop evil.
00:35:01.000And evil, overly simplified is it is efforts towards destruction and chaos.
00:35:06.000And when you took it when when you look at the leftist and liberal worldview over over at least my lifetime, they are agents of chaos.
00:35:16.000Uh they they are the agents of entropy.
00:35:18.000They they they seek to dismantle, destroy, and disrupt.
00:35:21.000It says in in Proverbs chapter 8, Lady Wisdom is talking in Proverbs 8.
00:35:26.000And she says, All who hate me love death.
00:35:30.000And and this basically the whole progressive element is a death wish.
00:35:35.000They won they want things to die, they want economies to die, they want babies to die, babies in the womb to die, they want marriage to die, they want men and women and their identity as men and women, they want all that to die.
00:35:47.000They want it all to wither and turn brown.
00:36:06.000Just uh it's just listen, this this PBD, Petra Bet David, surrounded by 20 anti-capitalists was was so great because you you see them espousing an ideology where if you literally just follow the logical steps of what they're proposing, it is death, destruction, and chaos.
00:36:22.000When they say communism, uh ca a cashless, classless society, what they're saying is you will live the way I demand it or else.
00:36:31.000And and the ethos they espouse is this surface layer that when you actually ask them the questions of what does it mean and how do you achieve this, they end up basically saying, I guess we have to have the killing fields again.
00:36:42.000We we know the results of that ideology and where it leads to.
00:36:45.000It is chaos, destruction, and disorder.
00:36:47.000Communism killed a hundred million people.
00:36:50.000I I I choose order over chaos, but the problem with just order is like I agree that people need a hire some something other than beyond, and but then like where do they get that from?
00:37:41.000And the reason I ask that is because obviously the at least the first well, the most of the Bible, not all, not the new testament so much, but the first part of the Bible, the first half of the Bible, the old testament, um, not half, the old testament, was actually stories that were handed down verbally before people were writing.
00:37:56.000And they were really like whether or not you believe in God and you believe in the literal nature of the stories in the Bible, they really do lay out a a way to live your life that will produce mostly good results for the most people if you live your life that way.
00:38:42.000Well, there's a difference between a preacher get uh like a modernist liberal preacher getting up in the pulpit and saying, It seems to me, or on the other hand, or at the end of the day, and a conservative preacher who says stands up and says, Thus saith the Lord, the uh the Lord God Almighty who made heaven and earth, this is how he wants you to live.
00:39:02.000And then a smart kid is gonna say, How do you how do we know that?
00:39:05.000And I'd say, Well, I believe the Bible is inspired by God, because God who made heaven and earth did not leave us abandoned in this awful world.
00:39:14.000The this this world is a place of where that can go to destruction, chaos, and all the rest of it.
00:39:20.000I I actually believe it's objective that uh when you study enough about the exit the the nature of existence, the things that humans universally uh agree upon and find to be good.
00:39:31.000What I've stated, and I got the you know, it's funny is the most pushback I get on the statement is actually coming from Christians because I suppose it is trying to like create a apply like a Christian uh moral worldview to secularism, whatever.
00:39:45.000But my argument is when you take a look at the history of the world and the religions of the world and the civilizations of the world, pretty sure all the people here would agree we have the best one, uh, be it wealth access, the expansion of rights, and it was all built on a Christian moral tradition.
00:40:03.000Well, all I can say for now is I certainly don't think we found the end all be all of truth in the universe.
00:40:08.000Christians, you know, maybe you you found a component of it.
00:40:10.000My argument is as far as I can see right now, based on what we know, there are many religions that are destructive, chaotic, and evil and uh hate each other and commit acts of violence, or promote behaviors that are destructive to life, like cousin marriage, for instance, which science has shown us already is really, really bad.
00:40:27.000Then you take a look at the Christian moral tradition, the nations born upon it.
00:40:33.000They they they they've been very forgiving and welcoming and open.
00:40:36.000There's a sort of like subservience built into it, I think, that needs to be shattered for the Christian to wake awaken.
00:40:42.000Like your lord, that that met that term, because your king was your lord, and I feel like the Roman wanted you to call him Lord, and they would be like, bow down, say my words, call me Lord, and it's the guy standing up there reading the text.
00:40:54.000And like you want to you want people to be like Jesus.
00:40:56.000You want them to stand up and be leaders and for their community and heal people and what what I would say uh, you know, to the point I was making previously is that there are religions today that say believe or die.
00:41:13.000In fact, Christians are too forgiving to the evil.
00:41:17.000And this my my criticism of of the Christians in the United States is that this was a Christian dominated nation in the 50s.
00:41:23.000I mean it's 98% or whatever, and that's been declining because Christians don't beat people and force them and scream at them, even at the height of the of the power in the United States.
00:41:33.000The besetting sin of evangelical Christians is that they're so sweet that diabetics can't be friends with them.
00:41:42.000Why do you think it is fast I'm sorry, just real quick, it's fascinating how the left paints Christian Christians in this country as like an evil, fascistic, authoritarian, you know, the handmaid's tale.
00:44:07.000Did Speaker Mike Johnson maybe accidentally just slip up that Trump was an FBI informant?
00:44:11.000And the reason why Trump doesn't want the documents released is that they're going to show that Trump was snitching on powerful people.
00:44:18.000That's prominent, wealthy individuals doing untoward things, and the documents are going to show that Donald Trump was a snitch.
00:44:25.000Here's the here's the argument that I don't know, obviously.
00:44:28.000But the argument against that would be if there was material in the Epstein files that would be damaging to Donald Trump and his business relationships, it would have been out by now.
00:44:40.000The Democrats would have gotten them with it.
00:44:41.000If it was if it was im implicative of Trump, if it if if if the documents show that Trump was doing bad things to children and underage girls, they'd have released it.
00:44:51.000But if the documents show that Trump was working with law enforcement to stop this, that's not damaging to Trump's reputation among his voters.
00:44:58.000It's damaging to Trump's reputation among powerful elites he needs to do deals with.
00:45:02.000So the Democrats might be thinking it's not it's it's it's gonna help Trump.
00:45:07.000If we leak files showing that Trump stopped Epstein, people are gonna cheer for him.
00:45:11.000Trump may be saying, if they find out that I ran it on Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, and I was the one actually spying on him or wore a wire or did who knows what?
00:45:21.000These people aren't gonna want to do deals with his business.
00:45:23.000If Trump was snitching on prominent world leaders, I'm not saying he did.
00:45:27.000I'm not saying I believe that's the case.
00:45:42.000When he heard about what Epstein was doing, he said, This is exposure I don't need.
00:45:46.000And when the FBI came to him about Epstein and says, I'll do whatever you want, I'll help you out.
00:45:50.000And they say, wear a wire, give us a list of names.
00:45:52.000What if Trump gave like gave uh ledgers from his club to the FBI?
00:45:57.000What's gonna happen to Mar-a-Lago when all of the people who spend their 20 grand, what I think it's like 200 grand to sign up or something, maybe I'm wrong, but it's like 20 grand a year or something.
00:46:05.000What's gonna happen when a bunch of these people find out that their names and private information were handed over to the feds as part of a criminal investigation in Epstein or to illicit activities?
00:46:14.000What if Trump was informing more than just Epstein?
00:46:17.000What if Trump was feeding the FBI information on tons of cases about prominent powerful elites?
00:46:23.000That would be extremely bad for Trump's business and his dealings with powerful elites to so much so that he'd be like, we can't release this stuff.
00:46:30.000It would destroy my family's business, that my legacy.
00:46:34.000If people find out that I was basically a spy for the federal government against powerful elites, the populace, his voter base might be like, wow, Trump was actually trying to stop bad people.
00:46:46.000That's not what the powerful people are gonna think, though.
00:46:48.000They're gonna think, destroy this guy, I want revenge.
00:46:50.000Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know how true this is.
00:46:53.000I'm interested in finding out more, but I will say this is actually more bel it's more believable that he was an FBI informant than that he was a KGB informant.
00:47:03.000Like it was asserted by what's his name?
00:47:07.000So I I think that that and and also it it it would be a good thing because it would prove that he's more patriotic than Jonathan Chate as well.
00:47:16.000Um yeah, I don't I mean, I don't know that he is, obviously, and I'm I want to see more information.
00:47:20.000Uh you know, there was uh there's a tweet going around that was I forget the guy's name, but he was he now that this has come out, there's more information kind of trickling out.
00:47:31.000People are saying, yes, Donald Trump was an FBI informant.
00:47:33.000Is Johnson been asked about the comment?
00:48:42.000And for context for context, that's that's Sammy the Bull Gravano.
00:48:46.000So he's a fairly well-known organized crime guy.
00:48:51.000What if what if a component of Trump's uh acrimony is is his anger is that he spent a lot of time thinking that he was cooperating with the feds, that he was in their good graces, and then when they betrayed him and went after him, he took it very personal.
00:49:05.000You know, I well, firstly, so much weird stuff.
00:49:07.000I when when he visited or someone visited Ghilaine Max, who was basically the ringleader of the whole Epstein, you call it the Maxwell files, is what it should be called.
00:51:12.000What what if Trump's whole thing was he stumbled?
00:51:15.000I'm just like, what a great movie it would be if like Trump was just a business guy who was an informant and he accidentally walks into the wrong room at the wrong time and sees them all shredding documents, and then this triggers the movement.
00:51:24.000I have to I have to save this country.
00:51:39.000There is another conspiracy that's been around for a while, and that it that is uh Trump is deep state.
00:51:44.000And uh you know, it was funny we talked about this over the election.
00:51:48.000There's a conspiracy theory that uh I love this one, it's my favorite.
00:51:52.000In the late 2010s, or I'm sorry, in the late 2000s, you saw the rise of Alex Jones, who's getting bigger and bigger and more prominent, more popular, and he got very, very big in the 2010s.
00:52:00.000And uh the Ron Paul Love Revolution, libertarianism, anti-establishment, anti-war was getting very popular online, which also bubbled up into the Tea Party and Occupy movements.
00:52:10.000So the conspiracy theory goes that the CIA, very, very smart guys with with who plan have plans in place for decades, said, How do we stop this?
00:52:20.000Okay, we're trying to do the stodgy uniparty candidates, the old white guy versus old white guy, but people aren't buying it anymore.
00:52:51.000We need a popular, we need a popular candidate who can play the villain of the establishment, but who's actually in it the whole time.
00:53:01.000So the conspiracy theory goes that Donald Trump is friends with Hillary Clinton, he's friends of the deep state, and they set him up to make it look like they were attacking him so that the conspiracy theorist anti-war faction would side with Donald Trump like Alex Jones had done.
00:53:16.000Then when he wins, the populist movement gets back behind the person you chose in the first place.
00:53:21.000You know, the controlled opposition essentially, maybe except I feel like he really like Hillary wasn't at the level of the people that Trump was if Trump was working with FBI.
00:53:32.000I feel like there are people in the middle that didn't know, and they just got you know rolled.
00:53:57.000I don't I don't think Trump is deep state.
00:53:59.000I don't I I think the simple solution tends to be the correct one.
00:54:01.000I think Donald Trump was an uh was it was an uh outside of the uniparty candidate.
00:54:06.000They didn't think he was gonna win, but he's a celebrity who knows how to who's knows how to sell.
00:54:10.000They stumbled into it, he ended up winning.
00:54:12.000Hillary thought she was gonna win, but Trump squeaked by with three states, getting about 80,000 votes in those states, put him over the edge.
00:54:18.000They got angry, lost their minds and started having a temper tantrum as they do, accusing me of being a spy.
00:54:22.000It bubbled up and escalated to the point where they literally arrested him and tried putting him in jail and stopping him, but then ultimately lost and here we are, and Trump's largely won.
00:54:32.000That Trump had worked with the FBI over Epstein.
00:54:34.000They said this like a couple few months ago, it'd been made pretty clear that he'd already in the past been in contact with the FBI or Epstein.
00:54:40.000Now the word inform it, it's almost semantic.
00:54:42.000Like I he probably feels bad about saying that word because of the the weight of the word.
00:54:46.000But also, you inform on one guy, the FBI's like once you're an FBI informant, you're kind of an FBI informant for life, I think, from what I've heard.
00:55:17.000I don't know But then maybe here's the question.
00:55:21.000Sorry, well, the the question I have is um the way that the Trump admin is handling the Epstein thing is is weird because he could just lie.
00:55:30.000You know, when he's sitting at the table and it's like, why does everyone care about this?
00:55:33.000Oh, it's it's all it's a Democrat hoax.
00:55:35.000He could literally just keep saying the things we're finding, we're gonna keep digging, and when it's ready, we'll get it to you.
00:55:40.000I'm sorry it's taking so long, but we don't want the bad guys to get away, so we need to build a sound case.
00:55:44.000And then everyone forgets about it, right?
00:55:46.000I've been saying this since the beginning.
00:55:47.000If Dan Bon Gino came out and said, you know, we're looking at all of these Epstein files, and it's dark stuff.
00:55:54.000Guys, I am not gonna release it before we're ready because the bad guys will get away if we do.
00:56:23.000Like day one, you torch the files uh and then you smash the servers, of course.
00:56:28.000Uh if you're gonna cover up a crime like that, I would think.
00:56:31.000But you know, I you know, Mike Cernovich said these documents have been gone for years.
00:56:34.000There's no way they held on to any of the incriminating uh evidence but that there's been the that there's still not that Trump's still like it's just a hoax, forget about it, even if the files are gone, like it's just a very weird, very weird left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing kind of energy right now.
00:56:52.000It's highly likely that they've been destroyed for years, but then you can't account for why the Trump underlings were overpromising, the Pam Bondi saying they're on my desk, and yeah, that that would be weird.
00:57:05.000Yeah, like were they were they enticed into saying that by someone and then they said it and then realized Yeah, or you were just elected and everybody's giddy and it went to your head and you like the like the adrenaline rush that comes from enticing the press.
00:57:21.000What did you guys think about how those women, 100 Epstein survivor women said they were gonna drop all the names?
00:58:11.000Like I do support Massey and Kana's effort so far, but I gotta be honest, the oversight committee and the DOJ have already committed to releasing the files and said they will.
00:58:22.000So that's why I do think what Massey and Rokano do lean towards the good.
00:58:26.000But at the same time, shouldn't you be like, all right, we're gonna Give them a month to put out the files, and if they're not gonna do it, then we're gonna file to be like they said they're gonna do it, they've been putting out files, but we're gonna do this anyway.
00:58:37.000I'm kind of like they just put up 33,000 files, of which I think three to five percent were never before seen.
00:58:43.000So the files, or at least some of them are getting released.
00:58:47.000Wouldn't the reasonable thing be we're gonna we're gonna give them the opportunity to release as they said they are, we're gonna trust that they're gonna do it, benefit of the doubt.
00:58:54.000And then if they don't adhere to a to a time frame, we'll go for a discharge petition.
00:58:58.000My point is just it seems kind of weird to straight go for a discharge petition when they claim they're already working on it and literally just released files.
00:59:39.000That that's why I'm saying I I I do I I lean towards more agreeing with them doing it, but I do think it's fair to question that it's you're gonna have to redact stuff.
00:59:49.000Even even in in the in the in the massey bill, they expect things to be redacted and withheld.
00:59:54.000So what what is what is uh uh do we have reason to believe the oversight committee is literally not doing it?
00:59:58.000I mean they put up thirty three thousand files.
01:00:00.000We got we got a decent amount of new new documents.
01:00:02.000Uh people aren't getting what they want.
01:00:04.000So again, I'll stress I'm I'm I'm begrudgingly saying, well, you know what, they should do it because we just get them released anyway, but isn't there a component where it's just like why don't you wait?
01:00:14.000I bet Massey is doing what he thinks his constituents want.
01:01:15.000Typically, the illegal immigrants from Asia we see are indentured servants.
01:01:21.000So uh what what you'll get is companies in Southeast Asia will say, We will move you to America and you will owe us $50,000 and have to work for us to pay it back.
01:01:32.000Just general, it's illegal, you can't do this.
01:01:36.000They they don't they don't come and admit to the United States where it's all indentured servitude.
01:01:40.000They keep this on the books in China and Korea.
01:01:42.000So when you a lot of the migrants that you meet working at uh um Asian food restaurants or um like spas and salons, they're indentured servants who have to work for 10 years for a trafficking organization.
01:02:38.000I'd I'd I'd walk in with Royal Guard and say, let this be known to all who seek to subvert the will of the American people, our our economy, our laws.
01:02:48.000If foreign interests are operating factories with five hundred illegal workers undercutting the American people, we will nationalize it in two seconds.
01:02:59.000Then what I do as king is I would auction it off to American car companies to own the factory.
01:03:06.000I don't I don't want the government to own it.
01:03:07.000My j my joke on the riff off that is if I were king, what a glorious three days that would be.
01:03:17.000Whatever Donald Trump can do to punish this corporation, he should legal whatever he can legally do, he should do.
01:03:24.000Whether it's expropriation, whether it's tariffs, whether it's, you know, I don't know if you can I don't know what uh latitude the president has, but he should make it painful for Hyundai for having four hundred and whatever, four hundred and seventy-five illegal aliens here in the United States because they facilitate it.
01:03:44.000It's not just that they were, you know, they snuck in.
01:03:46.000These were Korean workers from a Korean company.
01:03:49.000That means the company facilitated them coming in.
01:05:37.000We had this debate this morning uh on the on the use of military for law enforcement, and uh Pisco, our resident liberal guy, was arguing that Trump shouldn't do it, it's illegal and military shouldn't be enforced in the law.
01:05:48.000He asked me if I thought they should be uh in California.
01:05:52.000And I said, depends on the circumstances.
01:06:08.000If you go to the average American, I guarantee you nine out of ten times, if you said if there were child slaves on a drug farm, should we send in National Guard, Marines, or military to rescue those kids and shut down the the the production and the and the and the facilities, they're gonna say, yeah, absolutely.
01:06:32.000But the you gotta think how that can be twisted.
01:06:36.000I'm gonna go ahead and say that in the events child slaves are being forced to uh grow drugs.
01:06:44.000I I don't I I could you could you could you provide for me a hypothetical scenario where I would disagree with stopping that using military force?
01:06:51.000If it was another illegal thing other than drugs, maybe that underage people.
01:07:16.000I mean, come up with any hypothetical you want.
01:07:18.000A giant boulder is dangling over the children with an evil villain saying if you bring the military, I'll cut the rope.
01:07:22.000Well, that's not real, but I'm saying give me a scenario where I, a reasonable person would be like, we better not use the military to stop this child slavering at a drug farm.
01:07:32.000No, I think the reality is 100% of the time, a reasonable person, like anyone here is gonna be like, so child slaves are growing drugs, they have no choice.
01:08:12.000Is it just an operation where they the National Guard was in and out?
01:08:16.000Yeah, they they they went in and basically made arrest of illegals and rescued the children who were working as slaves.
01:08:20.000But they didn't leave the National Guard is not still present.
01:08:24.000Uh, I don't believe at those facilities, but I do believe the National Guard is still present in Canada.
01:08:28.000Doing a sting operation with the military on domestic soil is also a risky precedent to set, but if it's a sting operation and you're in and out, that's way different than it's not precedent, it's legal.
01:08:39.000Um there are there are so let's just clarify because this is a debate we're having this morning.
01:08:44.000There are criteria by which Trump can deploy military for domestic law enforcement, it's called the insurrection act.
01:09:08.000I'm like, dude, in California, there were marijuana farms, children were brought there against their will to work on those farms.
01:09:15.000Yeah, sorry, if the local law enforcement isn't is facilitating like protecting and facilitating this, Gavin Newsom won't do anything about it.
01:09:23.000I think Newsom should be brought to testify before Congress and criminally investigated for what his government did in facilitating child slave labor in his state and protecting against it, or at least being criminally negligent in not rescuing kids that they knew were being held as slaves.
01:09:39.000So when Donald Trump is like, okay, local laws are not being enforced.
01:09:44.000What is my what what authorities do I have?
01:11:06.000This is the argument I had with Pisco.
01:11:07.000He I said that I disagree with Trump, he should ban uh TikTok.
01:11:12.000It's uh TikTok's all the the it's already been uh uh uh codified as law and signed into law that TikTok should be banned and Trump is refusing to do it.
01:11:28.000In my moral worldview, TikTok is destroying this country, Trump should enforce the ban.
01:11:33.000I'm questioning why Trump is allowing TikTok to remain, and I think it has to do with moneyed interests.
01:11:38.000And it's fascinating to me that when I say Donald Trump has moneyed interests in TikTok, so we'll not ban it despite the law being passed, liberals defend that and say, no, no, TikTok is fine.
01:11:51.000Oh, the point is, I I consider myself, I've said this for 10 years, philosophically anarchist.
01:11:58.000I understand that the only the only laws I can enforce are are the laws that people are willing to enforce.
01:12:03.000I don't believe that the way we should live as a nation is anarchy.
01:12:06.000So that's why I say philosophically, I recognize if you do not use your power, you have none.
01:12:12.000That means if Donald Trump says there are child slaves on a farm in California, and the standard process to end this would be local law enforcement in California putting an end to it.
01:12:26.000The feds get sent in to put an end to it.
01:12:29.000What we get from libertarians, and not the good Mises caucus libertarians, we like those guys.
01:12:35.000But we had a date uh a debate, a date, a debate with a reason magazine Libertarian.
01:12:40.000The conversation was Democrats have illegally and illicitly arrested Trump's lawyers unconstitutionally, tried to stifle his campaign to steal power in the United States.
01:12:50.000And I was told by the libertarian, none.
01:12:54.000Democrats are allowed to be evil, but Republicans can't enforce the law against them because that would create escalation of conflict between political parties.
01:13:44.000And I'm not going to sit back and let child ch child slave labor continue.
01:13:49.000And this argument that it may be illegal doesn't fly because y'all Molotov cocktailed cops for years.
01:13:55.000So I don't think you actually care about the law, and you're lying to me, trying to j trying to use our goodwill.
01:14:02.000I know, you know, Doug, you and I, we we agree there should be a law and a mechanism by which law is enforced, so we don't like it if cops are illegally or unjustly arresting people.
01:15:13.000If you carried an M16, you're not gonna have one of those because they made it illegal.
01:15:18.000But let's say you had a an AR-15 and you were walking around West Virginia and a guy threatened your life or threatened you with great bodily harm, you can defend yourself.
01:15:28.000So my point is I would not be happy if Trump sent all of the Marines into Chicago just to stand there.
01:15:33.000I'd be like, this is a waste of resources.
01:15:56.000What he's doing is he's flying the flag.
01:15:58.000So um so Teddy Roosevelt sent the uh there's a great story about Teddy Roosevelt who sent the great white fleet around the world, and Congress only apportioned enough money to send them halfway there, but he was flying the flag in all these international ports show of strength.
01:16:15.000And so Roosevelt sent the fleet to the other side of the world with half the money, and then told Congress if you want the fleet back, then you're after the money.
01:16:54.000Gang, I'm I'm telling you this, I'll speak for Chicago.
01:16:56.000I as a as a Chicagoan want the National Guard in my hometown, particularly in my neighborhood where gang violence and and and just urban street violence is bad.
01:17:06.000The argument, the play is if two National Guard are simply unarmed standing in the park, the gangbangers will not go there because they don't want to pick a fight with the military.
01:17:20.000Now, if it's local police, they don't care because they know the extent of where the police can operate.
01:17:25.000A lot of these gangbangers know they can go to Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa or s or St. Louis or whatever, and they and they operate out of the prisons as it is.
01:17:33.000But everybody, they all know, hey man, you don't want to you you if you go and shake someone down with a gun and you start you do a drive-by and there's National Guard there, you are going to uh open up the can of worms.
01:17:45.000And so the the idea is just put two National Guard to hang out and they'll avoid the area.
01:17:49.000Well, it works, that does work, but it like at what cost.
01:18:09.000The Democrats are trying to put National Guard in all our cities to activate Operation 57 or whatever the Emperor does when he clicks the button, and now the insurrection act is open, and now everybody.
01:18:18.000You know that J.B. Pritzker did deploy the National Guard when crime got bad and affected the wealthy elites in Illinois and Chicago.
01:18:24.000You know that Barack Obama actually, I I think it was Obama facilitated the National Guard deployment into uh Ferguson during the Ferguson riots.
01:18:33.000I get the during a riot, and in DC is cool because like it was night 1783 when there was a uh a riot in Philly that I think it was Madison, James Madison, someone was like, We need we need low we need protection for the Capitol.
01:18:44.000We need to protect our capital with federal cops.
01:18:48.000And it was like a soft precedent to make people think it was normal to do in other domestic cities, it's not.
01:18:53.000Is the argument so so when when would it be appropriate for the federal government to deploy any amount of troops, be it lower level National Guard to higher level Marines?
01:19:02.000If there's like a something like a riot, what if an extraordinary 20 million non-citizens are uh illegally in our country flying their own flags and uh uh just operating illicit businesses, drug trafficking, drug trade, and gang violence.
01:19:19.000What if children are growing up in neighborhoods where they hear gunshots, uh hitter hitting windows and teenagers are getting murdered and doing drugs?
01:19:26.000Like it it's fascinating that if we went back to an older time when there were less people in the United States, no American city in the 1700s would tolerate the the amounts of crime and violence that we have.
01:19:47.000I mean, look at the was it night 1912 or whatever, that uh that that TV show.
01:19:51.000They're in the uh the West, and a guy's accusing me in a pickpocket and without evidence, they just hang him on the spot.
01:19:57.000They throw rope over a post, put it on his neck, and yank him up.
01:20:00.000But that leads to a really important point that people miss about law enforcement.
01:20:05.000Ultimately, if you're if you're not enforcing the law, not guarding making the streets safe, uh, everybody thinks the police force and the National Guard is there to protect the citizen.
01:20:17.000Ultimately, they're there to protect the criminal.
01:20:22.000Because with with Oh, in Chicago for sure.
01:20:25.000Yeah, with without this uh enforcement, at some point, the people are gonna revolt.
01:20:30.000There's gonna be a vigilante recoil, and the criminals are going to be hung from lampposts without a trial, without any kind of due process, and what you're gonna have vigilante justice, you're gonna have lynchings, you're gonna have all kinds of mayhem because the government won't do its fundamental duty of protect of protecting the streets.
01:21:10.000We had a culture war debate show live, and uh uh we were debating the uh uh Trump deporting Kilmar Burger Garcia, an MS 13 gang member who lived in uh Maryland, and of course the resident liberal who was from New York and on the show was saying Trump shouldn't be doing this, it's wrong.
01:21:28.000And then a Maryland resident came up and says, You don't live here and know what we deal with with MS 13 killing people and drug smuggling, the fear we have, the graffiti that tells us to be afraid, and then Trump takes one of these guys and sends them home.
01:21:41.000All he does is send them home, and then you say we should be forced to live this way.
01:21:45.000This is what I can't stand about the whole debate right now on the National Guard issue.
01:21:49.000I understand there are people in Chicago who don't want the National Guard.
01:21:52.000I will happily debate them and say, How about I get National Guard in my neighborhood where my friends agree with this, and you don't get the National Guard in your neighborhood, and we're good.
01:22:35.000Uh people uh uh like uh my friend's brother who was forced to kill people because the gang made him do it when he was 13, because don't worry, you get out of juvie in five years.
01:22:44.000So the area that was predominantly fomenting this crime was a largely uh it was it was just north of 47th, and it was predominantly black.
01:22:53.000So the city, you know how they dealt with the crime?
01:22:56.000They bulldozed all the houses and kicked everybody out, and all the gangbangers and all of these this criminal element were just moved to other areas in the suburbs.
01:23:06.000So they didn't enforce the law because they struggled with it.
01:23:09.000The police, who I have a I have I have a certain degree of respect for the Chicago police, but they are a largely corrupt institution.
01:23:15.000Uh they you know, you had um um Burge, I think the guy's name was, who tortured people and electrocuted them.
01:23:21.000Oh, that that black ops site, that big building.
01:23:24.000Oh, there's more than one, and they still operate to this day.
01:23:26.000And the problem in my neighborhood was that when we would we would complain to the police about the constant robberies in our at our park, Vidom Park, Google it, lit up, you can see where I'm where I'm from.
01:24:34.000No, what they really did was they demolished the entire black neighborhood, forcing all of these people into Joe Lieton other suburbs, where my friends tell me the stories about what's going on now because the crime didn't go away.
01:24:44.000But the city of Chicago is like, why don't we we hey?
01:24:48.000We fixed it as far as the city's concerned.
01:24:52.000When Ian, you from Ohio, tell me that as my friends get shot and my other friends die of heroin overdoses, it is tyranny if we beg for help to stop it.
01:25:06.000And I say, I'll tell you what, you don't gotta have the National Guard in your neighborhood.
01:25:11.000But as a kid, as a kid growing up, when the gangbangers would pull up and roll down their windows, flashing a gun and being like, what you is, boy.
01:25:18.000And then I'd be like, I ain't nothing.
01:25:28.000I would have loved it if they were two National Guard guys that literally just walked up and down Archer every day, I'd walk next to them as I went to the park.
01:25:36.000You're telling me makes me want more vengeance on people.
01:26:32.000But that doesn't mean we don't stop the crime now, especially as people are growing up in these ways.
01:26:38.000Now I don't I think what you're saying reminds me of um years ago when the federal government, people who don't have skin in the game, the federal government reintroduced the wolf into Idaho.
01:26:52.000Yeah, thank you, you know, they the farmers were like and we thought and and we've got wolves in our area because of because of it.
01:27:00.000And but our Idaho Senator at the time um proposed a measure to reintroduce the grizzly into New York State.
01:27:10.000So you basically uh in an orderly society, everybody should play by the same rules.
01:27:17.000You you can't bet with other people's money, other people's lives.
01:27:21.000So what if if things deteriorate to a certain point where riots are normal cr the crime is out of control, and you can have uh a deadly weekend in Chicago without a riot.
01:27:32.000You know, it's just my my neighborhood in Chicago was uh Democrat up until 2020 when it turned purple and 2024 it turned red.
01:27:42.000This is urban liberal Chicago voted for Donald Trump in my neighborhood.
01:27:48.000And and so I talked to my friends, like some of my my homies from back home, they work here, we hang out, and I was literally talking to Andy, who's we grew up together at Vidom Park by Midway, and I mentioned part of the debate after the show ended, and he started talking about the suburbs, the gangbangers, they moved out there in the suburbs now, and he's like and I'm like, could you imagine when we were growing up and we were trying to skateboard?
01:28:10.000Literally, that's what we're we were kids, and we'd write around our skate, we play with Pokemon cards, we would skateboard, we'd go to the comic shop, and instead of having gaggles of gangbangers mugging us, there were a couple of National Guards just walking down the street.
01:28:23.000Do you think I was like, would anyone care?
01:28:26.000No, not a single one of these people would would have cared if there was a couple of National Guard walking down the street.
01:28:30.000When I was in South America, I lived in Chile and Santiago, and there that's the thing in there, it's all federal cops.
01:28:35.000So you see Federalists on the corner just standing there, and it is disconcerting in a way that it's like not all law is good.
01:28:41.000And sometimes if the federal government is evil and you've you can't you need to be able to break their laws in seclusion in your community, and if there's feds everywhere, you can't.
01:29:28.000So I agree that like some dude who's got a small bag of pot going to prison is not helping your society, it's not fixing the problem.
01:29:35.000I don't want people going around and smoking pot all the time, which means uh and I now I'll throw it to Moxie Marlin Spike who may who answered the question why I interviewed him uh 10 years ago or whatever.
01:29:43.000Why is it bad that we have mass surveillance?
01:29:45.000And he said, sometimes we decide as a society that laws need to be repealed.
01:29:50.000Whatever that law may be, it's not the point.
01:29:52.000How do we figure out the law needs to be repealed?
01:29:57.000It's because people were drinking and they recognized they were okay with drinking.
01:30:01.000If the government spotted on you 24-7, no one would ever touch alcohol again, and alcohol would remain illegal forever.
01:30:08.000Some people may want that to be the case, but the point is to recognize that in a functioning republic, we sometimes say, you know what, that law does need to be changed, but how do you know unless some people sometimes break it?
01:30:23.000The way the way I I I I describe protests, for instance, is I say that far left activists should be allowed to obstruct streets, link arms, and you know, wear the chains or whatever.
01:30:34.000Allowed in the sense that we don't beat them or kill them or throw like lock them up for life.
01:30:40.000When you chain yourself to a door, we tolerate that and say, okay, okay, now we're going to give you a minor charge for disorderly conduct.
01:30:48.000You've crossed the line, but we recognize tolerance for civil disobedience because there needs to be pressure release, otherwise people get violent, and then you get shootings and and and chaos.
01:30:59.000So a a Republican system that we have will say, you're not supposed to block the street, but we get what you're doing, and we're gonna give you a slap on the wrist.
01:31:09.000We'll clear it out and try and be reasonable in your discomfort and your your efforts towards assembly and speech.
01:31:15.000We don't want a 1984 society where no one can do anything, can't express themselves at all, and then it ends up with a lunatic just ramming a car into a building.
01:33:03.000The mass importing of people from third world countries where tuberculosis is more common, as the United States has antibiotics and extremely easy to eradicate.
01:33:11.000Uh actually a premise of a house episode we watched recently, where this uh fancy doctor who goes to Africa was like, TB is curable, but we won't give the drugs to these countries.
01:33:21.000In the United States, you walk into the hospital, they hand you a little cup and say, Here's your medicine, you'll be fine in no time.
01:33:27.000How is it then that TB is on the rise?
01:33:29.000We imported tons of sick people from the third world.
01:33:33.000The rate of increase, the amount of tuberculous tuberculosis cases should actually be going down considering fertility is down.
01:33:42.000Another point that was made in the in the morning debate.
01:33:45.000That when we say something like, hey, crime is down, the argument from the liberal crime is down, meaning we've done a good job of stopping violent crime.
01:34:11.000When fertility declines, 20 years from that point, you will have a smaller number of older teenage males, meaning your crime rate will go down.
01:34:20.000It does not actually mean that crime as a percentage has gone down or you've done anything good as a society, it actually is bad.
01:34:27.000So when tuberculosis is up, when Population is down, it's indicative of a higher rate of transmission, largely among illegal immigrant newcomer population.
01:35:26.000Okay, so anyway, uh, for those that are not familiar, Civilization is a recommendation for all of your children who are old enough to use a computer, keep them off the internet, but civilization is great.
01:35:35.000I say four, where you get Leonard Nemo, Leonard Nimoy are reading all those things.
01:35:42.000The game is basically it starts with a single individual pioneer settler.
01:35:46.000You build cities, you create your country, and over time you build a nation, advance technologically, and there are other nations you're rivaling, you're you know, at war with or allied with.
01:35:58.000Well, in the game, someone will come to your border, and you will then have a meeting with their king, and maybe it's Caesar, maybe it's Abraham Lincoln, who knows?
01:36:06.000And they will say, I propose open borders between our peoples.
01:36:12.000That means your people can move through their country and explore, and their people can move through your country and explore.
01:36:17.000But for anybody who's played the game, the people who developed it understood something.
01:36:21.000You will meet a rival nation on your border, they will ask for open borders, you will agree, and you'll start to notice military armed individuals from their country come through your country and then kind of just stand there.
01:36:35.000And there's one guy standing like that that they put their military guy near my city just standing there.
01:36:49.000Then there's like seven military units from their country in your country through open borders.
01:36:54.000And you'll send an emissary to their leader and say, What's the big deal?
01:36:57.000And they'll say, Hey, we have open borders, what's the problem?
01:37:00.000The next turn they attack you and take over your cities.
01:37:03.000You open your borders, slowly they come in and tell you everything's fine, and then once they have critical mass, they say, uh, we're declaring war on you, and then they take over your city and you lose your country.
01:37:15.000One of the games, I think it was Civ 5, they made it so when they did do a surprise attack on you, all their units got moved out of your country by default.
01:37:22.000It was super cheap because that's not what happens in real life.
01:37:36.000Science because you can build the best military with the best science.
01:37:39.000You can build the best culture with the best science.
01:37:40.000I love I love that game because uh my strategy was always leave me alone, very libertarian American style.
01:37:47.000And I would mass industry, technological development, mass militarization, but never war.
01:37:54.000And then when the per when the country was stupid enough to declare war, I'd nuke them.
01:37:58.000The reason I brought up the game, video games in general and games, and and just because this is it's such a traumatic, like it's this experience of this mass migration over the last four years has been such a traumatic exp on my psyche.
01:38:09.000I mean, I don't I'm constantly thinking about like how do we deal with it without dragging people out of here, but you have to drag people out.
01:38:16.000So northwards of twelve million in Biden's four years north of that.
01:38:27.000Like Romans not all countries are destroyed by an invasion or uh a plague.
01:38:31.000Sometimes you're destroyed because the the fabric of your society has been distorted to the point of destruction by immigration, rapid immigration.
01:38:39.000Actually, I just want to clarify it was a joke.
01:39:34.000But look, the point is we need to use every legal means necessary to remove the people that are here illegally.
01:39:42.000And if you have a visa, you are here as a guest.
01:39:46.000So if you break any of our laws, you do anything that is counter to uh American that is that will not benefit America or that will harm America, you just gotta go.
01:39:57.000And I've I've said this a bunch of times, just like we're talking about with Hyundai.
01:40:01.000If people employ illegals, go after the companies.
01:41:22.000Yeah, if you're married and your family, your immediate family can come.
01:41:26.000Fiance, so if you're if you're gonna get married to someone, they get a K1 visa, they can come, and then you get married to him and they can be here.
01:41:44.000My my yeah, my premise is if you are if you're gonna come to the United States and bring a specialty skill or something like that, then fine.
01:41:51.000So there probably doesn't need to be as many types of visas.
01:41:54.000You could probably cover that stuff with the.
01:42:31.000I I'm not I don't really care about having all these Chinese exchange students coming to the United States.
01:42:35.000Anyone that's a visitor, they should either get like some like an air tag or an app in their phone so that way the federal government can monitor their location.
01:42:42.000You're not a citizen, you have the right to privacy.
01:43:18.000So many of these other countries won't let the so in the United States, a Brazilian can open up can launch a company right now on the internet and then use that company to hire themselves and find a way to migrate here to the United States.
01:43:40.000Now there is the O1 extraordinary abilities, O2, support for O one visa holders.
01:43:44.000O three and the dependence of the of the O one.
01:43:46.000So the O visas we're largely okay with.
01:43:49.000We're talking about like you're a rocket scientist coming here, his the staff members of the rocket scientist, Elon Musk or whatever, and the dependents, okay.
01:43:57.000You you can't tell them they can't have their kids.
01:43:58.000I'm actually helping sponsor the guy who invented flash jewel heating uh process.
01:44:18.000So which is if someone says I'm an extraordinary athlete, like we're literally talking about a pro basketball a baseball player from Japan.
01:44:25.000Golfers, golfer, best of the best, world record breaker, and they're like, I want to come and play on the American team or golfer.
01:44:56.000So I I'm actually uh I I say no to this completely because uh I don't think we should the the government should create a special class for someone on religious grounds to be here.
01:45:06.000You're either here for a legitimate legitimate tourism reason, but th this argument would be that um uh m m Muslims can come as missionaries to the United States, and their right to be here is simply because they're Muslim.
01:45:20.000I don't care if they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Confucius, Daoist, whatever.
01:45:26.000Like someone being like, I should get to come to your country.
01:45:31.000Simply because you believe something you no, no, no, no, no.
01:45:33.000You should allow Christian missionaries to come.
01:45:36.000I don't think I don't think uh as much as I would prefer a Christian missionary over many other missionaries.
01:45:41.000I don't think simply because you believe in a certain religion, because basically everyone's just gonna try and make that argument to gain access.
01:45:48.000So uh societies have to make up their mind on stuff.
01:46:26.000These I've I I know drug addicts and former gang members who uh when they when they came to Christianity, they're they were saved.
01:46:33.000They're they're they they live good lives.
01:46:35.000The book I did with Christopher Hitchens, uh the title is Is Christianity good for the world?
01:46:40.000And the I think the answer is resoundingly yes.
01:46:43.000I uh happen to believe I don't think I don't want to make a pragmatic argument simply for Christianity, because I won't I'm a preacher, I want to say we should believe it because it's true, not because it's helpful.
01:46:55.000Um because uh like you said, people can argue lots of self-help things are helpful.
01:47:02.000Uh but basically you have to at some point missionaries are a thing.
01:47:07.000Christianity is a missionary religion.
01:47:09.000If we don't want some country that we have a trade agreement with banning Christian missionaries from America going there, then I don't think we should ban Christian missionaries coming from them.
01:47:21.000You know, the historical revisionism is uh is interesting, and it's funny that Christians allowed it to happen.
01:47:29.000When you hear these stories from the uh the leftist activists about like the oppression of the Native Americans and all that stuff, and it's just like you know, listen, I'm not gonna sit here and say that the law of 1600 was something we'd uphold today, okay?
01:47:41.000I mean, bad things happen across the wars were bad and people did bad stuff, we get it, we get it.
01:47:46.000But how are you gonna defend child sacrifice rituals and be and like ripping people's hearts out?
01:47:52.000I'm not saying all Native Americans were bad, but this this argument that European Christian colonists were uniquely evil is just like, oh Spain, the Aztecs were one of the at least the history tells the story that the Aztecs who knows what they really were, but the Spanish tell us.
01:48:08.000We've all seen apocalyptic Drinking drank it.
01:48:13.000The Mayans had a game it was not basketball, but it was a ball game.
01:48:19.000And they would play uh and the losing team would be executed.
01:48:23.000You know I thought that hey look the Romans at the Coliseum.
01:48:26.000We got to we got to go to chat sorry to cut you up Oh I was about to talk about Christianity no wonder.
01:48:29.000Well we gotta we gotta go to chats because we're we went a little bit of chats let's do this you guys smash that smash the like button share the show of course it's Friday night it's summertime everyone's out partying.
01:48:39.000I get it but thank you all for hanging out with us.
01:48:41.00065 when we get out of here 82 coming in 65 on the way out 79 degrees right now bro snap.
01:48:46.000Oh snap all right Shane H. Wilder says everyone needs to congratulate Brett Dasovic he and Olivia are getting married this weekend they grew up so fast.
01:48:54.000One minute they're talking about person of interest, the next they're getting hitched.
01:49:29.000Southern man, don't need him around anyhow.
01:49:31.000Yeah, that's one of my favorite lines.
01:49:34.000so good uh the the the story was that he he wrote a song Ragging on the South is that what it was yeah he wrote a song called Southern Man and Bull was bull whip's cracking and everything and Leonard Skinnard uh gave it right back to him that's cool.
01:49:49.000Oh man all right what do we got here St. Miles says Tim ask your guest about the Bank of America burning in the 60s the Bank of America burning in the 60s I'm there were a number of burnings and bombings I don't remember that one there was the the Capitol uh in Washington DC was bombed it was in the 80s though wasn't it I think it was earlier than that.
01:50:15.000And then um my high school in this in the 60s had an SDS chapter Students for Democratic Society which was basically a terrorist or organization.
01:50:26.000Wow yeah it was uh it was a turbulent uh it really was a turbulent time this is 1970 February 25 Bank of America branch and is I I La Vista burned it was a big deal 1970 and did it ring a bell to you we got uh Guido he says my little girl will be 16 tomorrow she helped create the uh create an orchestra in our small town she helped me restore her truck and she gives me hope for Gen Z. Happy birthday Abby shout out I I am envious uh
01:50:56.000I have very few regrets, if any at all, but I wish my wife and I had our kids sooner.
01:51:01.000I wish we were doing family stuff a lot.
01:51:02.000Everybody says that, and I'm like, ah.
01:51:16.000We play music for her, and last week she's going da-da-da.
01:51:21.000I was probably like, two months ago, I think we were in the car driving, Alison was driving and you were in the backseat with the the girl and um you were singing and then she was like you were like dot that dot dot she was like ah and to the untrained ear you just think she was making but I could hear her tone she was mimicking you.
01:52:05.000You may wish that you had started earlier, it's amazing how fast it goes by yeah it goes by really fast yeah it's just because I need you know we need someone to do chores it's like oh you know what I mean 16 right now I'd be like hey go pick up the mail nah but the time will come the time will come we're excited all right and so my recommendation to everybody and you don't need to hear it from me but you know when you can do what you can have a family it's fun Colin Christie says,
01:52:31.000Tim, you're slowly marching back to Christianity, much like this former Altar Boy marched back to Catholicism this last Palm Sunday, you're a good person, my man.
01:52:39.000There have been people who have said, Tim, how come you praise Christianity but you won't just be a Christian?
01:52:44.000And it's like I can recognize objective good coming from my friends, the ideas they push, the history of this nation, that doesn't mean that I believe.
01:52:54.000And I'm not going to lie to you and pretend to believe because it earns me brownie points.
01:52:58.000Pretty sure if I came out and claimed to be a Christian, I'd get more followers or something.
01:53:06.000So um let me offer a definition of what it is to prove something.
01:53:11.000You've proven something, whether it's theological or any other proof, when you have created a moral obligation to agree with it.
01:53:20.000So when someone presents you with the gospel and it would be you committing a sin to say no.
01:53:28.000That's the point where you need to submit.
01:53:31.000Um if if you're fighting against what you know to be true, then that is the problem.
01:53:36.000Um but until until you know it to be true, you it'd be bad to for political reasons or social reasons to conform to something that you're not convinced for personal gain.
01:53:50.000I'll I'll keep it simple simple for everybody.
01:55:13.000I believe that uh w uh even from the most secular of liberal worldviews, the if you were uh the probability based on what we think we know in science today, uh leans towards the existence of God.
01:55:27.000I actually believe it's observable that there is God based on what is observable in the universe and what humans have collected as knowledge already.
01:55:34.000Lately, but now I'm like, but your perceptions can be flawed.
01:55:36.000So like if everything seems like it's God, it could be a bunch of other stuff that's making it seem like that.
01:55:42.000The end ro in road of that is you're gonna be wind up as a brain in a vat.
01:55:45.000Well, it's just you don't have to believe in anything.
01:56:02.000There I I I have arguments with atheists all the time where they say they they they don't understand.
01:56:06.000I know it's overly simplistic what I'm saying.
01:56:08.000But the the simplest of versions is that uh life organizes, life life creates order within systems of entropy, and there is no reason to believe that life is the end all be all of the creation of complex systems.
01:56:22.000So whether it be the organization of matter from particles into denser elements or molecules into single cell, multi-cell, then finally life as we know it on the planet, then the systems that life creates, then the language and the math and the abstract.
01:56:37.000Humans can create order in thought that exists in no tangible reality.
01:56:42.000So this predicts there will be a higher level.
01:56:45.000We don't we mathematically it makes no sense.
01:57:02.000And that that means if you're going to live your if you're gonna play an E V plus life where you're like, what makes the most sense?
01:57:08.000The the the dice roll you would always want to take is there's a God.
01:57:11.000Now, I actually could argue with someone for not argue, but I could go into great detail for hours explaining why I believe actually you can calculate to the point where God exists.
01:57:18.000I'm not the first person to come up with this.
01:57:19.000I actually read someone else's thesis, where the end result is singularity is the existence of a supreme power uh over the universe.
01:57:28.000And it the other the flip side is if you postulate no God, then you have incoherent you can't know anything, you can't even know that there is no God.
01:57:38.000Uh because it's just the universe is just a blind concourse of atoms cascading down through history.
01:57:45.000And if I if I took a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper and I shook them up and they both were fizzing over, and I said, now which one's winning the debate you would say, Well, they're not debating, they're just fizzing.
01:57:59.000But if there is no God, all our chem all our thoughts are are what these chemicals do at this temperature and under this pressure.
01:58:07.000And I've therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts to be true, and therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts are composed of it.
01:58:17.000If if if uh to the atheists and secular liberals out there who say we're just wet robots, yeah, your consciousness as a function in the code of the universe is inside of the universe.
01:58:31.000This means the universe has consciousness.
01:59:03.000Uh I believe that God is infinite, uh infinite and infinite, infinite, and uh we can only perceive a a small component within what is possible in our minds.
01:59:14.000But imagine there is a computer that is programmed by a man, and this computer is capable of simulating a universe.
01:59:23.000The in Grand Theft Auto, for instance, the people that walk around in this game and say things are not singular in sold entities.
01:59:32.000They are actually the exact same as the brick wall next to them, as far as the code is concerned.
01:59:38.000If you are a liberal secular atheist who thinks that we're just wet robots living within the universe, your consciousness is a piece of the universe, the universe has consciousness.
01:59:50.000So just start to explore that and take it to its logical conclusions.
01:59:53.000This the the expansion of life as we know it, we don't humans if you we don't believe we're the end all be all of consciousness and intelligence.
02:00:00.000So this suggests there is likely a higher degree.
02:00:03.000Uh if you look below us, from ants to microbes to dogs to squirrels, we can see varying degree of consciousness.
02:00:08.000There's no reason to believe that humans are the supreme form of consciousness or conscious entity.
02:00:11.000The universe has consciousness within it.
02:00:13.000We as components of the universe prove that the universe has consciousness, and there likely exists higher forms of consciousness than ours.
02:00:20.000If we look at the scale of the fundamental particles as it scales up in physical reality into humans, this predicts it moves towards a singularity, a higher power above all, and uh and forms of order we can't comprehend infinity.
02:00:45.000I will say this, and we'll get we'll get some more super chats in.
02:00:48.000Everything I've stated, this is why I don't follow Christianity or believe in Christ or anything like that.
02:00:52.000None of that predicts the resurrection of a Christ as it as in as what I'm describing.
02:00:56.000All I've done is, you know, I I had a little bit of theology when I was in, I went to Catholic school, learned a bit about what they're saying, read science and quantum physics, read some philosophy, thought about it for a bit, and I was like, now I'm not gonna pretend to understand the universe, but certainly all of these pieces together, like a Sudoku puzzle, predict that there is a higher power, or at least the probability lies in the existence of a God.
02:01:17.000And then if you vape, I was gonna say, and then you vape the MT.
02:01:20.000And uh oh well, then I would want to say, and this God is a father, and in Francis Schaefer's title of a book, he is there and he is not silent.
02:01:45.000Uh and I'll say it in the exact same argument I made.
02:01:48.000If there is a higher form of consciousness and being beyond us, we are not the end all be all of consciousness, then uh uh our motivations are simplistic relative to the to the higher form of consciousness, indicating there's gonna be a degree of interaction from the higher forms of higher being or ultimate supreme being with the universe.
02:02:05.000That's like I've been into Taoism lately.
02:02:07.000I think I've always been into Taoism for 20 years or so, and it's the flowing of of nature, the way, the Tao means the way.
02:02:14.000I think they they tapped into the magnetic flow of nature.
02:02:17.000They just didn't know what magnetism was back then, and that's that's where I'm at spiritually, is that we are we're going over I got I want to grab a couple of the super chats.
02:02:24.000I don't want to leave you guys hanging.
02:02:42.000So we have a tradition when people's children are being born, they'll chat into the show and say, my child is being born right now, and and we read the chat for them.
02:02:50.000And so new tradition, they're gonna make it sorry about that.
02:02:57.000Um someone with so many grandchildren and children certainly understands this, but um one year ago, my wife was pregnant and she had been pregnant for a few months.
02:03:06.000And so the baby has been here, despite her only being about six months old, she's been here much longer than this.
02:03:12.000As far as we are concerned with the conversations we've had and uh the way we've we've acted, the baby has been here the moment my wife.
02:03:21.000If the baby had a neural implant from conception, you would know that it was a living creature communicating with you from like two months.
02:03:27.000Ian, all you have to do is put your hand on the pregnant woman's belly and you will know.
02:03:58.000If the illegal immigrant defrauded the employer, I don't blame the employer.
02:04:02.000If someone went to apply for a job and they had an ID and said, I am an employ a citizen of this country and I'm legally allowed to work here, I don't blame the the employer for that because there's limited, they're defrauding you, they're tricking you.
02:04:13.000If the employer is proven to be complicit in the hiring of illegal immigrants, then 100% yes.
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02:04:53.000Doug, do you want to shout anything out?
02:04:55.000Um you can find what I'm doing at Doug Wills.com.
02:04:58.000Uh pretty much everything I'm involved with, New St. Andrews College, Logos School, Canon Press can be found there.