Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - TRUMP V. HARRIS Debate LIVE NOW At Congress With GOP Rep Commentary | Timcast IRLTRUMP V. HARRIS Debate LIVE NOW At Congress With GOP Rep Commentary

00:00:04.000 What's up, everybody?

00:00:05.000 We're here live.

00:00:06.000 We are going to be here for the debate.

00:00:09.000 Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

00:00:10.000 This is going to be absolutely fascinating.

00:00:13.000 Now, there are a lot of people on social media saying that Trump's got this one in the bag, but don't count your chickens.

00:00:17.000 We got to see what the performance is going to be like.

00:00:19.000 But based on Kamala Harris' past performance, a lot of people have a lot of confidence in Donald Trump.

00:00:24.000 I think that's fair.

00:00:25.000 So the debate will be starting in about one hour.

00:00:27.000 But while we're here, We do have many members of Congress who are going to join us in conversation as sort of a pre-debate show as things get kicked off.

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00:00:53.000 Starting off the show, we have a couple of amazing members of Congress.

00:00:56.000 Lauren Boebert is here.

00:00:58.000 Hey everyone!

00:00:59.000 Do you want to just, uh, brief introduction for anybody who might not know you?

00:01:02.000 Sure, I'm Lauren Boebert.

00:01:03.000 I represent Colorado's 3rd District, and right now I'm currently the most senior Republican in our delegation, which is crazy.

00:01:11.000 Uh, so I've been working hard to, uh, help other races in Colorado.

00:01:14.000 We have some really good candidates out there.

00:01:16.000 Uh, but I, I came up, uh, in the ranks, uh, just as a pissed off mom and business owner.

00:01:21.000 I never was interested in politics and, uh, got frustrated enough to decide to, uh, challenge a five-term incumbent and I won and I've been here ever since.

00:01:30.000 I learned real quick in D.C.

00:01:31.000 nothing happens without force.

00:01:33.000 So, uh, we've been real aggressive and got a lot accomplished and I have some really great friends that I've made here, uh, who are We're focused on saving our country, helping get President Trump re-elected, and I got one of them right here with me, one of my greatest friends.

00:01:48.000 We sit on Sinner's Row together on the house.

00:01:51.000 I'm sure y'all have seen us whenever they're taking pictures and we're taking votes, but it's usually me and Tim Burchett and Matt Gaetz sitting there on Sinner's Row, and yeah, we have a lot of fun.

00:02:03.000 Right on.

00:02:03.000 Well, Rep.

00:02:03.000 Burchett, do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:05.000 Yeah, my name's Tim Burchett, Knoxville, Tennessee.

00:02:07.000 It's the only place in America where people don't speak with an accent.

00:02:10.000 I am currently the 435th most powerful member of Congress, captain of the 1982 Bearden High School football team.

00:02:19.000 We went 5-5.

00:02:20.000 Y'all might have heard of me.

00:02:24.000 Really am worried that we're going to lose our country.

00:02:27.000 Lack of a better word.

00:02:28.000 I remember when Bill Clinton won the White House, I'm looking at my daddy across the table.

00:02:32.000 We'd work the polls all day.

00:02:33.000 I was in the statehouse and he prayed.

00:02:35.000 He said, I'll say the blessing.

00:02:37.000 And he said, Lord, please don't let us lose our country.

00:02:40.000 And I feel that every day.

00:02:41.000 I feel like we are on the cusp of losing our country if we're not very careful.

00:02:45.000 We also have Hannah Clare hanging out.

00:02:47.000 Oh, hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.

00:02:48.000 I'm a writer for SCNR.com.

00:02:50.000 I'm here on the show.

00:02:52.000 I'm really happy to be joined by both of you guys tonight.

00:02:54.000 Raymond's here.

00:02:55.000 I am here.

00:02:55.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:56.000 My name is Raymond G. Stanley, Jr.

00:02:58.000 I'm looking forward to this beautiful roundtable with the politicians and watching Trump and the Kamala debate.

00:03:03.000 I'm looking for some fireworks.

00:03:04.000 I'm from Pennsylvania, the most important state that's probably going to be in this next election.

00:03:09.000 So let's go red.

00:03:10.000 Thank you for having me.

00:03:11.000 You also have a military background.

00:03:14.000 I do.

00:03:15.000 I do.

00:03:15.000 I'm a United States Marine veteran.

00:03:17.000 Right on.

00:03:18.000 So it'll be interesting to hear your take on a lot of this stuff, too.

00:03:20.000 Yes.

00:03:21.000 We're having feedback, because we actually have a live audience for those that are watching at home.

00:03:25.000 And you know, we build these studios on the fly.

00:03:29.000 That's how it goes.

00:03:32.000 But let's get started with some debate predictions, I guess.

00:03:35.000 Now, one of the funniest things I think we've seen so far, I don't know if we can pull up this clip that Benny Johnson posted.

00:03:42.000 They're giving Kamala Harris a smaller podium because she's 5'4", and what is Donald Trump?

00:03:47.000 He's like 6'1", I think?

00:03:49.000 6'3", I thought.

00:03:50.000 6'3"?

00:03:51.000 He's bigger than that.

00:03:52.000 So, you can tell right away that there are concerns about how Kamala Harris is going to appear on stage.

00:04:00.000 But I'm curious what our friends from Congress think about how this is going to turn out.

00:04:05.000 Well, first of all, I had a double platform in my last debate.

00:04:08.000 They tried to give me one stool.

00:04:10.000 I said, oh, no, I will have two because I'm five foot even.

00:04:14.000 And I was towering them in.

00:04:15.000 It was pretty great.

00:04:16.000 But, you know, I think right now we need to have as fair of a debate as possible, you know, and they're going to try to elevate Kamala in many other ways.

00:04:29.000 So, I mean, whether she has the podium or not, whatever.

00:04:32.000 Whatever it is, they're still gonna try to elevate her in every other way to win this.

00:04:36.000 But you think that the hype thing really does matter in the perception of the voters?

00:04:40.000 I think it actually does matter, but maybe some of these unaffiliated voters will see her as a woman and, you know, say they'll feel sympathy that she's so much smaller and kind of have that compassion towards her for it.

00:04:55.000 You know, I think it's really frustrating when you get dressed up and then it's all covered up by a podium.

00:05:00.000 When you pick your best outfit.

00:05:02.000 Right, right.

00:05:03.000 You can see my collar, great.

00:05:05.000 I think it shows what's important to them is appearance and not production.

00:05:10.000 I think that she will be a disaster as President of the United States.

00:05:16.000 She does not have the knowledge, she does not have the people skills, and she has the track record of a complete failure, unless you're a Marxist.

00:05:24.000 And there's the better answer.

00:05:26.000 And I think that's why that bunch is looking at appearances, because they know that they don't have anything to produce.

00:05:34.000 They don't have a product.

00:05:35.000 And I think the mainstream media will use her appearance as a way to defend her, right?

00:05:39.000 Right.

00:05:39.000 That's what I was saying.

00:05:40.000 Right.

00:05:41.000 I mean, I'm kind of expecting her to come out in a bright color to portray that sort of confident woman.

00:05:45.000 I would love to see her in something other than brown.

00:05:47.000 Other than gray.

00:05:47.000 Come on, girl.

00:05:48.000 Goodness.

00:05:49.000 It really, I mean, I'm not even trying to be mean.

00:05:51.000 It just doesn't bring energy.

00:05:52.000 No.

00:05:52.000 It's sort of a lifeless campaign already, but they're going to use her inherent female traits, you know, that she's smaller in stature, that Donald Trump is taller, to defend her.

00:06:00.000 she met makes any mistake at all it's because he's a big bad man and try

00:06:03.000 exactly and it'll they have the appearance that he's bullying her

00:06:06.000 because she's smaller but really and she's running for the most powerful

00:06:10.000 position in the world and and she wasn't even elected to be there she wasn't

00:06:15.000 voted in by anyone as she was she was selected by the the establishment

00:06:21.000 behind the curtains and so I mean to to be running there she needs to be able to

00:06:24.000 run on issues I see she has an issues tab finally on her on her campaign page

00:06:29.000 I she actually has issues I guess we're going to hear some of those.

00:06:33.000 She says that her values have never changed.

00:06:36.000 Well, let's take her at her word because she has been radically opposed to everything that she's put out so far on this campaign trail.

00:06:44.000 Anything that she's mentioned when it comes to energy or fracking or even supposedly building the wall at the southern border.

00:06:51.000 Something that she has said is racist, something that she said was just for appearance, and now she's got issues.

00:07:02.000 Well, we know she has issues, but she's got those posted up on her campaign page, finally.

00:07:06.000 Let's see if she remembers them tonight.

00:07:08.000 Did you see the CNN story of all outlets?

00:07:12.000 That in 2019, Kamala Harris, she was in favor of giving sex change surgery to illegal immigrants.

00:07:19.000 It was so shocking that Erin Burnett went, wait, wait, wait, gender transition surgery for detained migrants?

00:07:26.000 Like, yeah, she was in favor of that.

00:07:28.000 Seems like something that wouldn't be a high priority item for somebody running for president.

00:07:33.000 It feels like Kamala just pulled a bunch of leftist things out of a basket and jammed them together and said, I'm for whatever this is, please vote for me.

00:07:42.000 Right, well just like Burchett said, he is afraid that we are losing our country.

00:07:46.000 And Kamala has been to the left of even Bernie Sanders on many of these issues.

00:07:51.000 She's left of the squad on many of these issues.

00:07:54.000 Ran in presidential campaigns where she has been the most progressive, most extreme candidate on the stage.

00:08:01.000 And now she's trying to moderate.

00:08:03.000 Even Bernie Sanders is like, yeah sure, of course she's gonna say what she's gotta say to win the election.

00:08:07.000 And that's what the people back home need to really take in.

00:08:11.000 She has to say whatever she has to say.

00:08:14.000 It's not anything that she actually believes in that's being presented right now.

00:08:19.000 I do find it fascinating because, I guess traditionally, a politician is going to find their key issues and they're going to...

00:08:27.000 Either they're going to have their passion issues that they're focused on, that help propel them forward.

00:08:31.000 Maybe it's something that's generally popular.

00:08:33.000 And then there's going to be issues that are ancillary, that they're not super familiar with, and they're going to go to their consultants and say, I'm not super, I don't understand a whole lot about, you know, issue number, like, issue letter A, like, what is going to be more, what do people care about more?

00:08:49.000 So you're gonna try and round out your campaign focusing on what you think is important to you, followed by what you think is important to your constituents.

00:08:55.000 It seems like Kamala doesn't have anything that's important to her at all.

00:08:58.000 It's literally just, go on Google Trends and put those in my campaign proposals and then maybe people will vote for me.

00:09:05.000 It clearly didn't work in 2020.

00:09:08.000 I don't know why it's going to work now when she has these campaign policies now listed on her website.

00:09:14.000 But it's relatively generic.

00:09:15.000 There's some stuff in there that I think is fine, like the child tax credit I like.

00:09:19.000 But I don't believe that she's actually for any of this because you've got, you've got clips of her saying basically everything.

00:09:24.000 Right.

00:09:25.000 Right.

00:09:26.000 Go ahead.

00:09:27.000 I think all she's doing is looking for something to get a majority.

00:09:31.000 I firmly believe with debates, except for the last one in our lifetime, there really hasn't been any debates that have mattered too much.

00:09:38.000 The Kennedy-Nixon debates before I was born, Nixon looked tired, he had a shadow, he needed to shave, and they used that to hammer him with a young Kennedy.

00:09:49.000 But I think my theory with debates holds, you bring your side, I bring my side, and we both leave thinking we won.

00:09:56.000 And that's what it'll be tonight.

00:09:57.000 I think you'll see the CNNs, the legacy media, if you will, they'll say how much Harris won.

00:10:04.000 You'll see the conservative media outlets say that Trump won.

00:10:08.000 And what I hope happens tonight is I hope President Trump just lets her speak.

00:10:13.000 Because when she speaks, she is her own worst enemy.

00:10:17.000 And if he can keep from attacking her personally, and just specifically on programs, because you'll see that with Democrats and liberals in general.

00:10:26.000 They'll vote for the program.

00:10:27.000 They're not voting for the person.

00:10:28.000 They don't know anything about her.

00:10:30.000 They don't care anything about her life.

00:10:32.000 They don't care anything.

00:10:33.000 They just want that gravy train to never end.

00:10:36.000 And with conservatives, they're voting for a person.

00:10:38.000 They see something in that person.

00:10:40.000 A Ronald Reagan.

00:10:42.000 Donald Trump, they see something in there that they like and that they can identify with and so it is a completely different objective that you'll see tonight.

00:10:51.000 There's some great commentary on Fox News.

00:10:53.000 They said that Donald Trump should refrain from calling her Kami Kamala and he should refer to as Madam Vice President at every opportunity.

00:11:00.000 I completely agree.

00:11:01.000 Yes, well, and really, if he keeps from personally attacking her, then that's great.

00:11:05.000 I mean, if you go in there saying that she doesn't know the issues, that she's not intelligent, that she's an idiot, or whatever attack there is, well, anything that she does that is above those attacks is exceeding expectations.

00:11:22.000 So we are lowering the bar so much for her with the attacks that anything that she does that seems halfway intelligent is a huge win.

00:11:32.000 So I agree that there shouldn't be the attacks and he should just let her talk.

00:11:36.000 Maybe she'll just talk about the color of coffee cup lids or something.

00:11:40.000 I mean, I hope he takes any kind of lead conversation from the moderators and just says, you have this in your platform, can you explain it to me?

00:11:48.000 What do you mean by this?

00:11:49.000 I want him to drive that home because I really don't think she knows what's even on her website.

00:11:54.000 It took her long enough to put it up.

00:11:55.000 And I hope he points out that on their website, it's just a rehash of Biden's failed policies.

00:12:01.000 And that is what she's touting.

00:12:03.000 And I think he can differentiate himself from her by saying, your energy policy, that's why gasoline is at this.

00:12:11.000 That's why it was much lower when I was president.

00:12:14.000 The price of groceries, $600 a month, and actually more than that, that working families are struggling to get by.

00:12:20.000 You know, so I think That's a huge, huge issue with working America, and I think it resonates well.

00:12:27.000 And when I talked to him, that's what I stressed.

00:12:29.000 I said, Mr. President, you do a great job of telling us what's wrong with this world and country and how we got here, but you do a much better job of telling us how to fix it.

00:12:39.000 And I want you to focus on how to fix it, because, dadgummit, people are hurting in this country, and they need somebody that can say... My mama used to say about Ronald Reagan, she said, When he would get on the radio or on the television, it was just like an old friend talking to him.

00:12:53.000 I hope President Trump looks into that TV and does like he did to Isabel Burchett, my little girl, when her sock was caught in her boot and she was hopping around and he leaned down and said, Isabel, what's wrong, honey?

00:13:04.000 And she said, my sock's caught in my boot, Mr. Trump.

00:13:07.000 And he said, well, get it out of there, honey.

00:13:10.000 And I said to my wife, I said, you know, that is very unusual.

00:13:14.000 And if America can see that Donald Trump tonight, I think he will walk the country with her.

00:13:19.000 But if he lowers himself to these attacks, and you know, we all get it, because he's been treated incredibly unfair.

00:13:28.000 You know, he's been marching before every court.

00:13:30.000 They're trying to bankrupt him.

00:13:31.000 They're trying to knock him off the ballot everywhere.

00:13:34.000 And yet, he doesn't get any support, it seems.

00:13:37.000 And he's the only one that stands up.

00:13:39.000 And when he says, you know, that they're not after you, they're after... I mean, they're not after me, they're after you.

00:13:46.000 I'm just in their way.

00:13:47.000 I think that resonates with America because we are losing our country right now.

00:13:52.000 And 13 to 15 percent of this dadgum country will get out and vote.

00:13:56.000 And that's about it.

00:13:58.000 I agree with you.

00:13:58.000 I think it really does resonate with the public when he says he is the one in the way.

00:14:02.000 And I also know that polls show undecided voters, which is really, you know, they may not tune in, but that's sort of who everyone is courting right now.

00:14:09.000 The number one issue among them is the economy.

00:14:11.000 I mean, that's true for so many people, but definitely for the undecided voters.

00:14:15.000 and everything is the economy, the border, international, these terrorists that we gave

00:14:24.000 billions of dollars to and currently we're still paying the Taliban every dadgum week

00:14:29.000 millions of dollars and the Democrats refuse to address that.

00:14:33.000 And if you saw on the screen earlier, they showed the Democrats who were there, who were supposed to, you know, pitching for the President.

00:14:40.000 And these are far-left people.

00:14:42.000 Far-left.

00:14:43.000 So that tells you one thing.

00:14:44.000 They ought to already have that bunch.

00:14:46.000 They should be having their moderate Democrats, if there is such a thing.

00:14:49.000 But they are worried about their far-left base, and they are going to throw out the far-left red meat tonight.

00:14:54.000 And you will see full-on Marxism like you've never seen it.

00:14:58.000 Have you, uh, have both of you seen the Alan Lichtman predictions?

00:15:01.000 No, I don't look at anybody's predictions.

00:15:03.000 I agree.

00:15:04.000 I think, you know, look, you've got Nate Silver saying Trump's 2 to 1 to win.

00:15:07.000 He's 60, nearly 65% chance to win based on the polling.

00:15:11.000 But Alan Lichtman is this professor that everybody loves to cite because he predicted the last 9 of 10 elections and he correctly predicted Trump would win in 2016.

00:15:19.000 He's now predicting Kamala Harris will win.

00:15:22.000 And I kind of feel like his assessment, based on what they call the keys to the White House, it's based off of watching too much MSNBC.

00:15:30.000 He says there's been no major scandals.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, he says that whether there's been a foreign military failure or victory is kind of an unknown.

00:15:39.000 I mean, the Abbey Gate scandal is massive, and it's multiple scandals in one.

00:15:46.000 Not to mention the scandal of removing the primary winner on the Democratic ticket.

00:15:50.000 He says the economy short-term... Oh, they bring their own elections all the time.

00:15:53.000 Oh, it's ridiculous.

00:15:54.000 He says the short-term and long-term economies are good.

00:15:57.000 And he says that Donald Trump is not charismatic.

00:15:59.000 So I understand there's a lot of people who don't like Trump, but the man is a reality TV star.

00:16:07.000 I've been in a room with two people in my life that when they walk in the room, dadgum, you know who they are.

00:16:12.000 One of them was Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:16:13.000 I was in Israel.

00:16:14.000 I thought, holy cow, that's freaking Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:16:17.000 And the other one's Donald J. Trump.

00:16:19.000 There's no question, when that guy walks in the room, it's who he is and what he does and what he's done.

00:16:25.000 So I beg to differ with the liberal pollsters.

00:16:31.000 There was a guy that used to work for me.

00:16:33.000 And I know he's not watching now, so I can say this.

00:16:36.000 But he used to work for me, and he would make these predictions.

00:16:40.000 He would say, you know, this is going to happen, and everybody would say, ugh.

00:16:43.000 And, you know, he would never hit it.

00:16:44.000 And then one time he would hit it, and that's all they'd focus on.

00:16:48.000 You know, I bet that guy never picked a dadgum dog catcher's race, and he's lucked up on a few presidential races.

00:16:53.000 And that's what the national media, that's how they focus on these cats, and they call them experts.

00:16:58.000 And they wouldn't hit a lick in a dadgum pie factory, you know, after hours.

00:17:03.000 They're not worthy of national news, but that is what the national news focuses on, brother.

00:17:10.000 And it just shows you just how sick this country is and where we're headed.

00:17:13.000 I think the national news has a warped perspective on all of this.

00:17:16.000 I was listening to a report from FiveThirtyEight's podcast, and they were talking about how in 2016, after every debate, Hillary Clinton gained in the polls.

00:17:26.000 She performed better and better.

00:17:27.000 But if you remember 2016, we got some of the best Trump lines during the debates of all time.

00:17:32.000 I think there is a bias towards Trump as the outsider and also a personality we don't like, and therefore no matter what, no one is interested in him.

00:17:40.000 And that just ultimately proved to be false.

00:17:42.000 I mean, they'll point back to the Comey emails and stuff like that and say, well, that's why she lost, but I just don't think that's the case.

00:17:49.000 And I think similarly, right now, they're all saying Trump is going to be this brash, you know, over-the-top, wired guy, and I thought he was pretty controlled and calculated during the debate with Biden.

00:18:01.000 I mean, they really have no way of accurately judging his ability to perform.

00:18:04.000 Uh, what they're going to be muting the mics.

00:18:06.000 They're not going to be interrupting each other.

00:18:07.000 She's not going to get her little, I'm talking, sir.

00:18:09.000 I'm talking, I'm talking.

00:18:10.000 And we're going to see Kamala just like we did with Biden on how terrible of a speaker she is and terrible points she has.

00:18:17.000 Her policy is bad because Trump's not going to be able to interrupt her.

00:18:20.000 So we're going to be able to clear her fully and clearly and how terrible her policies are.

00:18:25.000 And that's going to, she's going to lose a lot of points after today.

00:18:27.000 Yeah, I think they were relying on a Trump that, again, I don't think necessarily is guaranteed to show up.

00:18:32.000 He knows how to stay disciplined.

00:18:34.000 I mean, that was one of the best parts of the Biden debate, which is that he let Biden expose himself by just standing there and letting it happen.

00:18:42.000 And I think we can do it again.

00:18:43.000 It's just a question of if she can get under his skin.

00:18:47.000 And I hope not.

00:18:48.000 Right.

00:18:48.000 Well, and the difference is the policy.

00:18:51.000 President Trump had the most secure border that we've had in nearly 50 years.

00:18:56.000 He had a record economy.

00:19:00.000 People were buying homes.

00:19:01.000 We were energy independent.

00:19:02.000 We were energy secure.

00:19:03.000 We were pursuing energy dominance.

00:19:05.000 And we were able to to prosper and if you look at the issues like Birchett said

00:19:11.000 they are the Biden policies that she is also responsible for and no one can say

00:19:16.000 because she was the vice president she didn't have a final say in these policies because

00:19:22.000 she was also the tie-breaking vote in the Senate for the inflation reduction

00:19:25.000 act and even Joe Biden, he had a gaff the other day,

00:19:30.000 most truth I've heard from him in a while, he said the inflation reduction act and

00:19:34.000 he's talking about all the Green New Deal policies and over 350 billion dollars that we spent there for

00:19:40.000 renewable energy that's very unreliable but he said

00:19:45.000 The inflation reduction act and the Green New Deal, we should have called it what it was.

00:19:49.000 It was never supposed to reduce inflation but also Kamala Harris was the tie-breaking vote on the infrastructure bill and all of that money, that 9% of 1.2 trillion dollars that actually went towards infrastructure, she was the border czar.

00:20:05.000 The media has completely discounted that, said she was never the Borders are. She

00:20:09.000 absolutely was and we have more than 10 million illegal aliens who have come into

00:20:13.000 our country. I was just sitting with a candidate for Congress and a former ICE

00:20:19.000 regional director for all of Colorado and Wyoming and former ICE

00:20:22.000 director Tom Homan and Congressman Chip Roy and we were in Aurora, Colorado where

00:20:26.000 the Tren de Aragua gangs are taking over apartment complexes and they

00:20:31.000 are assaulting people, sending them to the hospital.

00:20:35.000 They are extorting them for their rent payments.

00:20:37.000 And this is coming into every community.

00:20:40.000 And you just said, Tim, a little bit ago, talking about this.

00:20:44.000 There are no scandals to point to.

00:20:46.000 And Abigail is absolutely the greatest scandal that we've had.

00:20:50.000 13 American soldiers that lost their life and the American press in This year, April of this year, says that the suicide bombing at the Kabul airport that killed U.S.

00:21:05.000 troops in Afghanistan in August of 2021 was not preventable.

00:21:09.000 And that's straight bullshit.

00:21:11.000 We know that that was preventable.

00:21:13.000 And right then, Joe Biden and his entire administration displayed weakness on the world stage.

00:21:19.000 And we have seen all of these wars come up because of that.

00:21:24.000 and uh... malhares has been right there with them the shocking thing about the

00:21:27.000 abbey gates candles at several scandals in one mhm first the initial bombing itself the loss of life

00:21:32.000 followed by the by the checking his watch at the at the ceremony

00:21:36.000 followed by them being invited to the to honor uh... these fallen soldiers

00:21:41.000 at arlington cemetery and they did not show by the norcom look and

00:21:44.000 and on top of this the press insulted an attacked donald trump

00:21:49.000 for having gone at the invite of the families That one really disgusted me.

00:21:54.000 Yes.

00:21:55.000 They didn't show up, that was bad enough.

00:21:57.000 But the media attacked Trump for accepting an invitation.

00:21:59.000 Right.

00:22:00.000 If I could say something to that.

00:22:01.000 I was on the committee that we had some investigation foreign affairs which issued the report.

00:22:07.000 The the telling part about all that was to me and it shows you the mood and the intelligence of this of this administration was the Marine sniper Had that guy, the suicide bomber, not once but twice.

00:22:22.000 They had identified the guy.

00:22:23.000 They identified his clothing.

00:22:25.000 Facial recognition.

00:22:26.000 They had what he was carrying, a bag.

00:22:30.000 And they knew who he was.

00:22:31.000 He was stepping off.

00:22:33.000 He was marching.

00:22:33.000 He was walking through.

00:22:34.000 It was very unusual.

00:22:36.000 And they didn't have him once but twice.

00:22:39.000 And he was refused.

00:22:40.000 As I've stated many times, they call them military intelligence.

00:22:43.000 Military intelligence is a lot like congressional ethics.

00:22:46.000 Brother, it does not exist.

00:22:47.000 It doesn't exist.

00:22:49.000 And this guy, he was there yesterday at the press conference.

00:22:53.000 He's blown to hell, lost a leg, part of his arm.

00:22:57.000 It's just a disgrace.

00:22:59.000 And this administration, their state department, is completely responsible for that.

00:23:06.000 The blood of those 13 Americans is on their hands.

00:23:09.000 Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, she bragged about being the last person in the room with Joe before he made the decision or whatever that decision was.

00:23:17.000 President Trump had a workable plan and there was checks and balances in there.

00:23:22.000 If they didn't do something, we weren't pulling this group out.

00:23:25.000 If they didn't do that, they just said we're out.

00:23:28.000 And they were hell-bent.

00:23:31.000 And Americans are still over there.

00:23:32.000 That's the dirty little secret.

00:23:35.000 Americans and a lot of supplies, right?

00:23:38.000 And our allies that we promised.

00:23:41.000 $86 billion.

00:23:41.000 And they flippantly said, well, hell, they can't fly those helicopters.

00:23:45.000 Well, I'll tell you who can.

00:23:47.000 The dadgum communist Chinese who were there that day, getting them, showing them how, and arming all of our enemies all over the world.

00:23:54.000 There's also reports that some of those weapons are falling into the hands of Iranians.

00:23:58.000 That's exactly where it's going, absolutely.

00:24:01.000 Should we have our newcomer introduce himself?

00:24:04.000 Hey, good evening.

00:24:05.000 Congressman Scott Perry from the great commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

00:24:09.000 Right on.

00:24:09.000 It's a big night for you.

00:24:11.000 A big night for everybody.

00:24:12.000 Scott Perry was my chairman in the House Freedom Caucus, so honored to be joined by Mr. Perry here.

00:24:20.000 And this is someone, a two-star general, who You're about to get your other one?

00:24:26.000 I thought you were about to get your third.

00:24:29.000 I talk more highly of you than I ought to, I guess.

00:24:31.000 Be careful.

00:24:33.000 He's never done it, I have.

00:24:35.000 Anyway, this is a general here who has really laid down a life of service for I think another just a

00:24:44.000 another step in serving our country and he does an excellent job to

00:24:49.000 to keep us on the conservative talking points and messaging and policy because that's what's really going

00:24:57.000 to affect change especially here in this town. Well maybe you can

00:25:00.000 tell us what talking points you want to hear from Donald Trump tonight if you're

00:25:02.000 keeping everyone on message.

00:25:04.000 Well from Pennsylvania I will tell you I think what's most important

00:25:07.000 I'm in ground zero the 10th district swing district Trump must win Pennsylvania and the people that I talk to

00:25:15.000 every single day tell me about their grocery bills, their gasoline, their

00:25:19.000 electricity, daycare, education, they can't afford a new home.

00:25:22.000 Many young people have moved back to their... I talked to a lady at the doctor's office She said, look, I make good money here.

00:25:30.000 I have another job.

00:25:31.000 I make good money.

00:25:32.000 I still had to move back in with my parents because I can't afford it.

00:25:36.000 I think that's what the president needs to focus on because people in Pennsylvania and I think people around the country can't afford the Harris Biden, Harris, Waltz, the leftist agenda in their economic lives.

00:25:49.000 They literally can't afford to live in their country anymore.

00:25:53.000 And I think that the president obviously has to draw that contrast.

00:25:57.000 When he was the president, Everybody was making money.

00:26:01.000 Everybody saw opportunity.

00:26:02.000 The things were looking up for everybody.

00:26:04.000 I mean, the people at the bottom of the socioeconomic spectrum, at the bottom of the money ladder, saw a way out.

00:26:11.000 And I lived most of my life there, so I know what that means.

00:26:15.000 And to draw the contrast between then and now, I think that's what the President has to do.

00:26:20.000 And the other thing is his safety.

00:26:23.000 People don't feel safe in our community.

00:26:24.000 I don't care where you live.

00:26:26.000 There was a lady killed just close to our town, close to our community.

00:26:32.000 She was out on a rail trail.

00:26:33.000 Some person here that was here illegally took that lady's life.

00:26:39.000 And so people are afraid to go out of their homes.

00:26:41.000 When I grew up, In the same town.

00:26:43.000 We used to leave our car keys in the car.

00:26:45.000 We left our front door unlocked.

00:26:46.000 Now, people are scared to go out in their own town.

00:26:49.000 And then you look at the world situation.

00:26:51.000 You've got wars going on.

00:26:52.000 You've got saber rattling going on.

00:26:55.000 People are afraid.

00:26:57.000 Whether you buy a new F-150 or a toaster, they all have a chip in it.

00:27:00.000 If Taiwan is taken over by China, we're not going to be able to live the life that you live right now in the 21st century.

00:27:09.000 And that's because these policies Being projected or being instituted by Harris, Biden, Walz, the left, are destroying our country.

00:27:21.000 And that's what I think he needs to state.

00:27:22.000 That's what I think he needs to state.

00:27:23.000 I'm curious, uh, your guys' opinions on the SAVE Act being attached to the continuing resolution.

00:27:29.000 You want me to start?

00:27:30.000 Go ahead.

00:27:31.000 Okay, so look, I don't love the continuing resolution because essentially we're saying that we're going to vote for spending and the amount of spending and the priorities that we voted against in the past, but we know how Washington works.

00:27:46.000 And so, unfortunately, while I don't like that, this is the only tactical play that we can make that stops the December omnibus.

00:27:54.000 So, understand how this works.

00:27:56.000 What Chuck Schumer and the people on his staff that are literally going to write the spending bill that determine how every 350 million Americans' taxes are going to be spent, that's all done in Chuck Schumer's office, and they love to do that, and we don't have any say in it.

00:28:12.000 All the Democrats will vote for that, half the Republicans will, because you either vote for that or you get accused of shutting down the government.

00:28:20.000 So they're setting up this circumstance.

00:28:21.000 The only way to stop that is to put the CR on the floor that pays for government for the next six months into March, but put something on it that the American people want and understand, which is the SAVE Act, which all that says is that people that vote and And federal elections must be American citizens and states must verify it.

00:28:41.000 When you do that and send that to the Senate, and here's the important point, when we send that to the Senate, we must leave town.

00:28:47.000 We must leave town so the Senate has no other option to either take that... Do you think we will?

00:28:51.000 This really sounds like I'm talking to a general.

00:28:52.000 He's like, here is our battle plan.

00:28:54.000 All of you better have your tickets booked.

00:28:57.000 Leave town, take it.

00:28:59.000 So then the narrative becomes, because the Senate will say, this is garbage, we don't want to, you know, the House is mucking it up and they're confusing things and we should just fund the government.

00:29:08.000 The Senate will be in the position of explaining to the American people why they don't want to fund the government so that illegals can vote in their election.

00:29:17.000 Make them explain that to the American people.

00:29:19.000 So I don't love the circumstances, but this is Look, when the Confederates came on to Gettysburg looking for shoes and ran into the Union Army, they didn't like the circumstances either, but you've got to fight on the battlefield that you're on, and this is the battlefield we're on, so let's get after it and win the battle!

00:29:39.000 I think Lauren's about to.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, so I'm gonna leave and you know with the continuing resolution I'm still working through some of that.

00:29:44.000 I've never voted for a CR.

00:29:45.000 I don't think Scott Perry's ever voted for a CR or maybe one with a border plan or something attached to it.

00:29:50.000 But with this debate I just want people to be focused on the border and the economy more than anything.

00:29:57.000 Chip Roy has put out an amazing like 37 page PDF on The detailed instances with the border, talking about the 10 million illegal aliens that have come in, talking about the 100,000 of Americans that have been killed by fentanyl poisoning, talking about the amount of tax dollars that's going towards health care.

00:30:17.000 I know Denver Health has spent $42 million, another $74 million for housing and other benefits.

00:30:22.000 We've defunded 9% of our Denver law enforcement.

00:30:26.000 to take care of illegal aliens and all of this is on Biden-Harris because they are the ones who opened up the border.

00:30:34.000 And if we want to be able to afford to live again, well, we have to shut down the border, stop funding the

00:30:40.000 illegal aliens who are here, and have Congress actually get in control of the purse

00:30:47.000 strings once again.

00:30:49.000 We are the most powerful branch of government.

00:30:51.000 And, you know, I've heard it said that someone went to one of our Supreme Court justices and said, you know, I'm thinking about bringing you a lawsuit about this agency because, you know, they're really abusing their powers and this and that.

00:31:01.000 The bureaucrats are trying to make laws and all this and wanted to bring a case before the Supreme Court.

00:31:06.000 And the justice responded to the senator who is saying this to him.

00:31:10.000 And said, I'm so tired of you guys bringing me cases.

00:31:15.000 If you don't like what these agencies are doing, don't fund them.

00:31:20.000 So that's where we are right now.

00:31:21.000 We have the power of the purse.

00:31:23.000 We hold those purse strings.

00:31:25.000 And if we don't like what these agencies are doing, whether it's the Department of Injustice and going after their political opponents and persecuting them like they have President Trump, like they have Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro and our January 6th protesters and all this, Well, don't fund them.

00:31:39.000 If we don't like what the Department of Homeland Security is doing and Secretary Mayorkas and abusing their powers and not keeping our country safe, well, don't fund them.

00:31:47.000 If we don't like what the Department of Education is doing in promoting transgenderism to our children and causing this confusion and sexualizing them, don't fund them.

00:31:58.000 So that's where I am right now with all of this spending that's going underway here in D.C.

00:32:03.000 Stop funding the chaos and the madness.

00:32:06.000 How do they keep getting funded?

00:32:08.000 Well, that would be a, right now it's a divided government, right, where the Senate has seemingly more power because we haven't taken a stand, and so the Senate sends us a crap bill, and it ends up getting voted on by the Democrats and a few Republicans who are afraid.

00:32:26.000 And then it gets signed into law by Joe Biden.

00:32:29.000 But we need to take a stand to the point of shutdown.

00:32:31.000 And honestly, if the CR with the SAVE Act was actually going to be something that we fought for to the bitter end, then I would be more for it.

00:32:40.000 But right now, I'm still deciding that because I've seen so many white surrender flags saying, oh, well, we'll pass it, but we know we're going to get something else.

00:32:48.000 So, you know, I don't know if we're really going to fight all the way to a shutdown.

00:32:52.000 So I'm having a little bit of struggles with that.

00:32:54.000 We'll see what goes down.

00:32:55.000 Oh, you're making me nervous.

00:32:56.000 No united front.

00:32:56.000 We'll see what goes down on the floor tomorrow.

00:32:58.000 But I'll see y'all later.

00:32:59.000 We got Andrew Clyde from Georgia coming up, taking my place.

00:33:02.000 So God bless y'all.

00:33:03.000 Well, he's jumping in.

00:33:04.000 Uh, Rat Birchette, what do you think?

00:33:05.000 I think it's a bad idea.

00:33:06.000 We've already passed the SAVE Act.

00:33:08.000 We know it's gonna happen.

00:33:09.000 Biden, their, um, Schumer's not gonna touch it.

00:33:12.000 All this is gonna do, everything we're trying to force them to do to make a decision, they've already done it.

00:33:18.000 The legacy media is not going to beat up on them.

00:33:20.000 We're not going to do anything with it.

00:33:22.000 They'll send it back a clean bill, and then we'll end up passing another CR, which is a CR, by definition, continued resolution, just continuing the bad spending policies that we've had in the past.

00:33:37.000 All the woke stuff that we hate, they're forcing all of us conservatives to vote for, and yet they've already voted against the SAVE Act.

00:33:45.000 They'll vote against it again, and nothing will happen.

00:33:48.000 But we will be on record, and I'll guaran-damn-tee you, you'll see that in elections.

00:33:53.000 And I think that's important that you go back to your district saying, this is what I did.

00:33:57.000 It looks like you wanted to say something, and then maybe we can have our new Congress introduce themselves.

00:34:01.000 Lauren's not wrong.

00:34:03.000 My good friend from Tennessee, Tim, is not wrong.

00:34:05.000 We have a crisis of confidence here because our leadership has left us hanging so many times.

00:34:14.000 But as another friend of mine who's sitting out in front of me said one time, courage is Contagious.

00:34:20.000 And I will just tell you this.

00:34:21.000 This is why I didn't say just vote for the CR with the SAVE Act attached to it and stand there.

00:34:27.000 Vote for the CR with the SAVE Act attached to it and then leave denying the Senate the battlefield.

00:34:34.000 You must deny them the battlefield so they can send over anything they want to.

00:34:39.000 We won't be present.

00:34:41.000 We won't be present to vote on their piece of trash.

00:34:44.000 And they can just suck it down, like they always force us to do, because we have people that are weak and feckless.

00:34:50.000 That's what has to happen.

00:34:52.000 It's a fascinating plan.

00:34:53.000 Do we want our two congressmen who have joined us to introduce themselves?

00:34:59.000 Sure.

00:34:59.000 I'm Andrew Clyde, Georgia's 9th District.

00:35:02.000 I've been in Congress since 2021.

00:35:06.000 I'm glad you could join us.

00:35:10.000 Well, thank you.

00:35:11.000 And this is a familiar face.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, Troy Neal's great state of Texas, the envy of the world.

00:35:16.000 Texas 22nd congressional district, Southwest Houston.

00:35:19.000 Do you guys have any predictions for the debate tonight?

00:35:22.000 What are you expecting from Kamala Harris?

00:35:23.000 What are you expecting from Trump?

00:35:25.000 Well, I think word salads are probably on the menu tonight, and the only question is going to be, is it a house salad or a Caesar salad?

00:35:33.000 So, I think that's definitely what we're going to do.

00:35:36.000 This is going to be Kamala Harris' very first press conference.

00:35:42.000 And it's going to be unscripted.

00:35:43.000 The country is going to see what she really is like.

00:35:47.000 And they've been trying to hide her now for, you know, two months.

00:35:51.000 And I think the country is going to have a epiphany, kind of like they did during the Biden-Trump debate a few months earlier.

00:36:00.000 It is amazing, 52 days without any kind of direct media contact other than when she's chaperoned by good old Timmy.

00:36:06.000 No offense to you, Tim's in the room.

00:36:09.000 A couple of them.

00:36:10.000 Congressman Nelson, do you have any predictions?

00:36:11.000 I think she's going to talk, but she's not going to say a whole lot.

00:36:14.000 I think she's not going to talk much about any policy.

00:36:17.000 She's going to let the American people know how great she was as the Attorney General and how she saved San Francisco and the great state of California.

00:36:26.000 She's going to talk about how great of an Attorney General, law and order, going to lock up the criminals.

00:36:32.000 So she's not going to talk a whole lot about any real true substance because there's really nothing for her to talk about.

00:36:38.000 She's going to talk about her family.

00:36:40.000 She's going to talk about growing up Pursuing the American Dream and all the odds she was up against.

00:36:45.000 She didn't mention Willie Brown.

00:36:47.000 But she's going to talk about those things and not a whole lot of real important policy.

00:36:51.000 I think it's going to be interesting.

00:36:52.000 This will be the first time she'll be confronted on Trump's Project 2025 with Trump himself, who's easily going to say, that's not my plan.

00:37:00.000 I have nothing to do with it.

00:37:01.000 She keeps saying that.

00:37:02.000 That's not correct.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, it's amazing how much that is a part of her policy platform.

00:37:07.000 I mean, every single tab has some kind of connection to 2025, which Trump has, you know, distanced itself from and confronted it many times.

00:37:15.000 I have to say, you have Donald Trump hugging the flag on your tie right now.

00:37:19.000 So I think there are accessories that go with this.

00:37:24.000 Oh my gosh, you have the Trump gold shoes!

00:37:26.000 Oh, you got some of those?

00:37:28.000 You don't have a pair of those, do you?

00:37:29.000 No, I don't.

00:37:30.000 I'd like a pair of those.

00:37:31.000 We actually want, I want a skate.

00:37:33.000 Let me tell you, they're tough to get.

00:37:34.000 I believe you.

00:37:37.000 Did you win a poker game or something?

00:37:38.000 I ain't gonna tell y'all.

00:37:41.000 So you guys have how many days left?

00:37:42.000 There's only like 18 voting days in September, right?

00:37:46.000 For Congress?

00:37:46.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:37:48.000 Eighteen?

00:37:48.000 I thought it was less than that.

00:37:49.000 Eighteen?

00:37:49.000 In three weeks, that's four days.

00:37:50.000 I don't know about eighteen.

00:37:51.000 I think it's less than that.

00:37:52.000 Less than that.

00:37:53.000 About twelve?

00:37:53.000 Less than that.

00:37:54.000 Eleven.

00:37:54.000 Eleven days.

00:37:55.000 No, no, ten.

00:37:56.000 Ten.

00:37:57.000 Ten?

00:37:57.000 Ten days.

00:37:58.000 Okay, bye.

00:37:59.000 I guess we'll see you never.

00:38:01.000 So, in addition to the CR with the SAVE Act, are there any big objectives that you have?

00:38:05.000 The General's already ready.

00:38:06.000 Well, no.

00:38:06.000 I was just, since you counted the days, there ergo my plan of voting for the CR with the SAVE Act and leave town and deny the battlefield.

00:38:16.000 Right.

00:38:18.000 You know, Congress doesn't do a lot of huge things right before a general election.

00:38:22.000 They don't want to rock the boat, never do, so I don't think you're going to see anything earth-shattering.

00:38:27.000 Certainly not anything that's going to set up a fight with the Senate, you know, run by Chuck Schumer, which everything we do should be a fight, set up as a fight with the Senate.

00:38:34.000 Right.

00:38:35.000 So, no, I don't expect any... Look, this debate is going to set the stage.

00:38:39.000 I think you're going to see the living version of virtual reality in Kamala Harris.

00:38:46.000 I think that she is going to be highly scripted.

00:38:48.000 She's going to say, I'm speaking.

00:38:50.000 She's going to have a couple one-liners and they're going to try and sound bite through this thing.

00:38:55.000 I don't think they're going to let her do word salad.

00:38:57.000 I think she's going to be highly scripted.

00:38:59.000 You're going to believe that she has a teleprompter in front of her and she's not real because she's not real.

00:39:04.000 I mean Bernie Sanders said the quiet part out loud, right?

00:39:07.000 That she's just saying whatever she has to say to get elected.

00:39:11.000 She is true to her values but All leftists and socialists can't tell the American people that because the people don't like that.

00:39:19.000 So she's going to stand up there, say what she's got to say, try and be sincere about it, and it's going to be like an award-winning act.

00:39:29.000 I just love how desperate the Kamala camp was to have the microphones turned on so she could do the I'm speaking thing.

00:39:36.000 That's her thing, right?

00:39:38.000 That's all I have.

00:39:38.000 And now what they're doing is, apparently I've heard, they're going to put journalists as close to the stage as possible So that if Trump does say something while she's speaking, they can still try and get the I'm speaking narrative going?

00:39:50.000 Right, right.

00:39:51.000 That's her thing.

00:39:52.000 So you can see that.

00:39:53.000 I had heard, I was listening to this analysis of her past debate performances, and they said during 2020 there was one primary debate where she did particularly well.

00:40:01.000 I remember it was primary, there were a ton of Democrats at the time, but she was pushing back on Joe Biden's stance from the 1970s on segregated bushings.

00:40:09.000 Right.

00:40:10.000 She called him a racist.

00:40:11.000 Right, she called him a racist.

00:40:12.000 And she surged in the polls, but she has now aligned herself with this person she called a racist.

00:40:17.000 So, what emotional tactic does she have left?

00:40:20.000 I mean, she's really run out of stuff from her bag of tricks.

00:40:23.000 You're a linear thinker.

00:40:24.000 You're thinking, if I said this today, then I can't unsay it tomorrow.

00:40:29.000 Democrats and the left don't ever think that way.

00:40:31.000 They say whatever is expedient at this moment, and if something contradicts it completely the next moment, that's fine with them personally, and it's fine with their party and their voters.

00:40:40.000 That's the unfortunate thing for conservatives and people that actually think logically.

00:40:45.000 That blows our mind.

00:40:46.000 But they have no compunction about lying straight-faced to the American people and acting like it's the truth.

00:40:53.000 So are you expecting her to just distance herself as much as possible from the Biden-Harris administration?

00:40:57.000 Yeah, I do.

00:40:58.000 Yeah, I do expect her to just act like she had nothing to do with it.

00:41:01.000 She wasn't the last person in the room for Afghanistan.

00:41:04.000 Had nothing to do with any of these decisions.

00:41:06.000 I'm just the Vice President.

00:41:07.000 I don't even know that guy.

00:41:09.000 How does she answer these questions when Trump says, do it now?

00:41:13.000 She says, oh, we want to fix the economy.

00:41:14.000 We're going to cut taxes for the middle class.

00:41:16.000 We're going to X, Y, and Z. And Trump says, OK, do it now.

00:41:19.000 Well, how does she respond?

00:41:20.000 I'll tell you that they're trying to craft the narrative that she is somehow this new individual just showing up on the scene.

00:41:27.000 She's the incumbent.

00:41:29.000 I mean, this is the Vice President of the United States.

00:41:31.000 She was the last person in the room when Joe Biden made all those terrible decisions.

00:41:36.000 She owns those decisions.

00:41:38.000 No different than Joe Biden owns those decisions.

00:41:41.000 So, you know, to say that anything different, I think, is just completely false.

00:41:47.000 You know, the General's right when you say that they'll say anything, they'll change their narrative, whatever fits the moment.

00:41:53.000 It's the ends justify the means for the Democrats.

00:41:56.000 And then mainstream media simply will not hold them accountable for that.

00:42:02.000 right for that moment and they think that they can you know snow some voter they'll say whatever they want to say and they won't be held accountable for it and that's a massive problem you know the voter needs to be educated and I think tonight's going to be a great education for the voter.

00:42:18.000 I hope everybody tunes in to listen to it because you're going to see Kamala Harris with no real policy positions that she can defend.

00:42:25.000 Yeah, I think she won't be able to.

00:42:28.000 She hasn't been able to defend anything right now.

00:42:31.000 She's Well, it depends what poll you listen to.

00:42:35.000 I mean, she's within the margin of error in a lot of these.

00:42:38.000 There's going to have to be a breakout moment in this debate, I think, for people to really pay attention.

00:42:38.000 I don't know.

00:42:44.000 I don't know.

00:42:45.000 What we do know is, I don't think the American people really know who she is, because she's just really done nothing in three and a half years, but continued to destroy this country under Joe Biden.

00:42:56.000 But we have 60 days to define her.

00:43:00.000 We've got several hundred million dollars in the bank, and over the airwaves over the next 60 days, we will define her.

00:43:06.000 If you look at that ACLU, that little survey she took back in 2019, and I've got it on my phone, she says, I make a pledge, I'm gonna end immigrant detention.

00:43:15.000 That means we're not locking up anybody.

00:43:17.000 How do you think the American people feel about that?

00:43:19.000 I'm going to fund taxpayer-funded gender care and transition surgeries for detained immigrants.

00:43:26.000 You just put those things out there.

00:43:28.000 This was her survey back in the ACLU.

00:43:30.000 So I think once we get that out on the airwaves, the broadcasts, and we hammer her, I mean, she's not too bright.

00:43:36.000 She is, and she's not too bright.

00:43:38.000 I think she has a very limited bandwidth.

00:43:41.000 I think Trump wins the debate, but there's going to have to be some type of a blockbuster moment, because the media will capture 30 seconds of her doing something while doing debate, and that's all they'll play.

00:43:52.000 I think we need to make sure that... I understand the talking point of she hasn't done anything because the country has not improved.

00:43:59.000 The economy is not doing well.

00:44:00.000 But I prefer to say she's done a lot.

00:44:02.000 Kamala Harris has done a tremendous amount of things to this country.

00:44:07.000 She cast the tie-breaking votes in the Senate, which means all of the policies that have backfired or failed are her personal accomplishments, if not for her.

00:44:17.000 I mean, she could have shut these things down.

00:44:19.000 It came down to her as a tie-breaking vote in the Senate, she decided we will roll with these things, and they have failed.

00:44:24.000 So when people are wondering why LL Flooring, Big Lots, other big chain stores are filing for bankruptcy, shutting down, why they can't walk to a Walgreens anymore to get their prescriptions, you can ask Kamala Harris about why she thought the Inflation Reduction Act, or any of these policies they pushed forward, were effective, and why would we assume she's gonna do anything different if she were to win the presidency?

00:44:45.000 Yeah.

00:44:46.000 What I was saying there is, she's not going to talk a lot about her accomplishments, because she hasn't accomplished anything, and if she has, they've been failures.

00:44:53.000 Well, if she's a Marxist, and her goal is to destroy America, she's accomplished a lot.

00:44:58.000 There you go.

00:44:59.000 Well, her values have never changed, so, you know, she doesn't have to defend anything.

00:45:03.000 She's an interesting character because she presents, or at least people are acting as if she is both very experienced and also the underdog newcomer.

00:45:12.000 I mean, I've heard several interviews with undecided voters who say, oh, well, Trump's got this brash personality, and I don't know about this, that, or the other, but we don't actually know anything about Kamala Harris, so we don't know if we can vote for her.

00:45:23.000 I mean, it's almost worse that she has both been a high-profile AG in the Senate and the VP, and the American people still do not think they know this person.

00:45:32.000 That's not, how can you run an election like that?

00:45:34.000 Simultaneously positioned as the incumbent and the complete outsider and brand new fresh face.

00:45:40.000 Very strange.

00:45:41.000 That's how they're marketing her.

00:45:42.000 They're trying to target every possible algorithmic demographic.

00:45:48.000 I wonder if the reason we notice this is that as people who are involved in, uh, actively, such as yourselves in Congress, or those of us who pay attention heavily to the news, we can see each and every soundbite and every bit of garbage.

00:46:00.000 I wonder if the strategy that they're using is, upload ten different ads, each political ad represents something contradictory, but let the Google and Facebook algorithms send those ads to the appropriate people.

00:46:12.000 So you'll get some 60-year-old grandma, and she sees this Kamala Harris showing the border wall, saying, we want security.

00:46:18.000 And then, at the same time, an ad will appear for a 25-year-old, where she says, protect our migrants and refugees.

00:46:24.000 Seemingly contradictory.

00:46:26.000 Not 100%, but contradictory enough.

00:46:28.000 I wonder if...

00:46:30.000 I'm just speculating, because I don't know if there's any evidence to suggest this, but I feel like we'll at least get to that point where politicians will just say, look, if I'm going to run an ad on social media, and Google's going to decide to send an ad to only a bunch of grandmothers, I can say whatever I want, because they'll never see me be pro sex change operations for immigrants.

00:46:49.000 And then they can send that one to the woke leftist young people, and they'll never see her saying, build the wall.

00:46:53.000 I don't know, Tim.

00:46:54.000 I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that that's exactly what's been happening and will happen.

00:47:00.000 I think there's a lot of evidence to suggest that.

00:47:02.000 If you're not watching the Weaponization Committee's hearings on censorship and how they throttle and monitor and make sure that only you see certain things.

00:47:15.000 Making sure you see certain things is by transposition saying that you don't see other things.

00:47:20.000 And that's exactly what you're talking about.

00:47:22.000 I'll give you a big one.

00:47:22.000 We had Dr. Robert Epstein on the show.

00:47:26.000 And he said that... I believe it was Facebook.

00:47:28.000 I want to be careful here because I believe he was talking about Facebook.

00:47:31.000 On election day, they send 100% of Democrats, so he's tracking Democrats and Republicans, 100% of Democrats received a don't forget to vote notification on their profiles.

00:47:43.000 And only around 65-70% of Republicans got the same thing.

00:47:46.000 That is massive, massive voter manipulation.

00:47:50.000 Sure.

00:47:50.000 And they can feign ignorance and just say, oh, you know, we don't know, it's an algorithm.

00:47:54.000 I mean, there was a reason that everyone was sort of semi-praising Mark Zuckerberg when he came out and said, oh, I'm not going to endorse this year, and we're going to try and keep Facebook neutral.

00:48:04.000 The American public is aware that social media is manipulated, but it's woven into the fabric of their daily lives in a way that they also can't turn it off.

00:48:12.000 I find that to be sort of troubling. It's like we're aware that there's corruption but also

00:48:17.000 sort of dependent on the corrupt enemies. We're accepting of it, right? We just baked it into

00:48:21.000 our daily lives and we think that we can rise above the subliminal messaging that's constantly

00:48:27.000 trying to manipulate our thoughts and our actions. And many of us, you know, we have our own minds

00:48:33.000 and we act accordingly. But there's a lot of people, look, people have a lot going on.

00:48:37.000 They're dealing with the bills they can't pay.

00:48:40.000 They're dealing with their family issues, work issues, and they're not... You know, people say, well, I don't get into politics.

00:48:45.000 I just want to live my life.

00:48:46.000 Yes, we know.

00:48:47.000 But politics gets into you.

00:48:49.000 But they don't think about it in those terms that every day, every moment that I'm looking at this, that somebody's trying to manipulate me.

00:48:56.000 They don't think of it in those terms.

00:48:57.000 I think it's a big wake-up call for people, the mass illegal migration crisis, with many Democrat voters in big cities now seeing the repercussions.

00:49:06.000 But sorry, you were going to say something.

00:49:08.000 You can see that it's the policy decisions of the current administration that is negatively affecting the lives of every solitary American.

00:49:16.000 Whether it's inflation, and yes, Kamala Harris was the deciding vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which actually did the exact opposite of what it said.

00:49:24.000 The American Rescue Plan, which didn't rescue America at all.

00:49:27.000 I mean, those two things, she owns that, and if she doesn't know what's in it, I'm sorry, she's responsible for it, because she voted for it.

00:49:34.000 She was the one to make sure it passed the Senate.

00:49:38.000 But from inflation to an unsecure border, to the crime that has come from that, I mean, my hometown's Athens, Georgia.

00:49:47.000 That's where Lakin Rodley was brutally murdered by an illegal alien from Guatemala.

00:49:51.000 I'm sorry, from Venezuela.

00:49:53.000 Who was known to the Biden administration.

00:49:55.000 Right.

00:49:55.000 And not only that, that person came in in the parole program, through the parole program of the Biden administration.

00:50:02.000 He owns that.

00:50:04.000 She owns that 100%.

00:50:06.000 She's not putting illegal aliens in jail.

00:50:08.000 She's not deporting them.

00:50:10.000 She owns that.

00:50:12.000 And speaking of scandals from the Biden administration, I mean, he called her Lincoln during the State of the Union address.

00:50:16.000 I mean, there are so many flippant moments that I feel like both Biden and Harris demonstrate consistently that they don't really care about the American people.

00:50:25.000 And I know, you know, you could get an independent voter who says, well, all politicians either side of the aisle are only in it for themselves.

00:50:32.000 But, you know, I just don't think that You know, a conservative or a libertarian treats Americans the way that Democrats do.

00:50:41.000 They expect compliance, they give you fear, and they continue to say, well, we're doing what's best for us and not for you.

00:50:47.000 Well, before I leave, and I've got to run here, but I think Andrew's right and I think you're right, ma'am, and I think the shining example is the young service members that lost their lives at the Abbey Gate knowing that all this time later, You know, they haven't been contacted, the administration hasn't offered their condolences, nothing.

00:51:07.000 And, you know, I think even if it's your family and your family member that was lost in a time of war, it is hard to resist a call or, you know, an engagement with the President of the United States, even though you might disagree with the policy.

00:51:21.000 It's just hard to resist that.

00:51:22.000 But even if it is in their best interest, and I think it would be in the best interest politically for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to talk to these families, They simply, literally, do not care about them.

00:51:33.000 It is the ultimate disgrace as a commander-in-chief, right?

00:51:39.000 You're not wearing the uniform, but you're in charge of the uniformed services and to have your service members die on the battlefield and then fail, not fail, refuse to acknowledge that significant loss That, to me, that disqualifies you completely to be the Commander-in-Chief and to be the President or the Vice President of the United States.

00:52:01.000 But with that, thank you for the opportunity.

00:52:03.000 It's awesome to hang out with you.

00:52:04.000 But the iconic photo of that, alright, was when those 13 service members flag-draped caskets came to Dover Air Base.

00:52:12.000 What did you see?

00:52:14.000 You saw the President, the Commander-in-Chief looking at his watch going, what time is it?

00:52:18.000 I need to be out of here.

00:52:19.000 I've been here too long.

00:52:21.000 I have to go to Delaware now.

00:52:22.000 I have to go on vacation.

00:52:24.000 I've got to do something else.

00:52:25.000 I don't want to be here.

00:52:26.000 That's what it says.

00:52:27.000 The service members didn't have any more time.

00:52:29.000 Right, they did not.

00:52:30.000 Thank you so much for joining us, General.

00:52:33.000 That one really, really, really pisses me off.

00:52:36.000 As a combat veteran, that infuriated me.

00:52:41.000 And then Psaki ran cover for him.

00:52:43.000 I mean, they all sort of tried to say, no, no, it's the wrong angle.

00:52:47.000 And actually he was, I don't even know what they tried to claim.

00:52:49.000 I mean, this is, this is the, uh, the failure of the media in my eyes, which is everyone will have a, uh, a person they prefer to vote for, but you should be honest when it comes to the American people and be honest when they have let those people down.

00:53:02.000 It took Mike Johnson today in that gold medal ceremony.

00:53:06.000 The first time those 13 families ever heard an apology from the United States government was this morning when Speaker Johnson apologized to them for the failures of this government in protecting their service members.

00:53:24.000 The gold medal ceremony was an incredible ceremony.

00:53:27.000 I think it helped at least a little bit in the healing process for these families.

00:53:31.000 But for that to be the very first time is just a disgrace.

00:53:36.000 And it just shows you the failure in leadership of this particular administration.

00:53:41.000 And you know, the entire world sees it.

00:53:43.000 I agree.

00:53:44.000 Part of it is Joe Biden during his State of the Union said, we haven't had any military deaths while I've been in office.

00:53:50.000 And you just want to scream.

00:53:51.000 I mean, in fact, we did have a family member of one of the 13 who was taken out of the room.

00:53:58.000 That's exactly right.

00:53:58.000 Right.

00:53:59.000 That's right.

00:54:00.000 Right behind us.

00:54:00.000 At least somebody was in there to hold them accountable.

00:54:03.000 I mean, the fact that this would be a scandal-free administration is just a blatant lie.

00:54:09.000 How disgusting is that, for Joe Biden to have said that in the presence of this man?

00:54:14.000 Yeah, but when the dishonest media provides cover for them, and they have, and what they'll do is they'll totally flip it, and they'll talk about President Trump saying something about veterans being suckers and this and that, which he never said.

00:54:25.000 So, the dishonest media, they're not journalists anymore, they're activists.

00:54:30.000 They're activists, and I think most of the American people really can't trust what the media says today.

00:54:34.000 You can't believe what you see on TV or read or what you hear on the radio.

00:54:38.000 But I tell you, I remain optimistic.

00:54:39.000 I think Donald Trump is going to do well in the debate tonight.

00:54:42.000 I spent a lot of time in the state of Wisconsin over the last month.

00:54:45.000 And the left is going to tell you, the women, they don't want Donald Trump, they don't like Donald Trump.

00:54:50.000 We had a lot of women, a lot of women say, we love Donald Trump, we're going to support him, we're going to vote for him.

00:54:55.000 A lot of young people registering voters in the state of Wisconsin.

00:54:58.000 I was there last weekend, had a big rally in Moseline.

00:55:01.000 I tell you, there's a lot of energy in the state of Wisconsin.

00:55:03.000 We win Wisconsin, we win Pennsylvania, we win this thing.

00:55:07.000 And I gotta have faith and confidence in our electorate that they're smart enough to see these two candidates.

00:55:12.000 We've got a doofus over here that really hasn't accomplished anything but destruction versus a former president that when he ran this country we were on cruise control.

00:55:22.000 We didn't have any crises under Donald Trump other than COVID, right?

00:55:26.000 Compared to what we see today.

00:55:27.000 So I think this is a no-brainer for the American people.

00:55:30.000 We are about four and a half minutes out from the debate beginning.

00:55:34.000 So it's starting to get, uh... Can I, uh, say real, real quick, uh, sure we had, um, you know, uh, R.I.P.

00:55:39.000 to all the 13 service members for Afghanistan, the debacle, the surrender, what do you say, surrender?

00:55:44.000 Well, we also had three service members killed in Jordan for a drone attack.

00:55:47.000 That's right.

00:55:48.000 So we have a grand total of 16, not just 13.

00:55:51.000 So 16 have died under Joe Biden's watch.

00:55:52.000 And those three service members were from the state of Georgia.

00:55:55.000 Oh, wow.

00:55:56.000 From my state.

00:55:57.000 You know, what I want the American people to understand and to know, that it's policy that matters.

00:56:03.000 It's truly policy that will either, it's either good policy or bad policy.

00:56:06.000 Inflation, a secure border which leads to a secure nation, or an unsecure border which is a nation in peril.

00:56:15.000 You have increasing crime, you have lack of energy independence, all related to policies.

00:56:20.000 But what do the Democrats want to concentrate on?

00:56:23.000 Personality.

00:56:24.000 It's policy, not personality.

00:56:25.000 But I'll tell you, there is one place that personality makes a difference.

00:56:29.000 And it makes a difference just as much as policy, and that's when you're sitting across the table from an enemy on the world stage.

00:56:35.000 When you're sitting across the table from Vladimir Putin, or Xi Jinping, or Little Rocket Man, Or Hamas, or the Houthis, Hezbollah, or Iran.

00:56:44.000 That's where personality makes a difference.

00:56:47.000 And on the world stage, Donald Trump is not only respected, he's feared.

00:56:51.000 And that's a beautiful thing.

00:56:53.000 Andrew, you're absolutely right.

00:56:54.000 And I tell some of those that are concerned about his name-calling, I say, listen, this is an election for President.

00:56:59.000 We're not electing the Pope.

00:57:01.000 This isn't a race for Pope, right?

00:57:03.000 This is an election for the president of the United States and he was the greatest thing and the greatest president in my lifetime.

00:57:08.000 And again, I think the American people are smarter than that.

00:57:11.000 You're absolutely right.

00:57:12.000 Let's focus on the policy.

00:57:13.000 I think that is the key to the debate tonight.

00:57:16.000 I think part of it is, you know, Harris can only focus on personality because she has nothing else to offer.

00:57:22.000 And even then, I don't really think she has a personality.

00:57:25.000 How many times do you have to copy a pop star in your campaign ads and slogans to tell me that you're not original?

00:57:31.000 I mean, there is a reason the MAGA hat is iconic.

00:57:34.000 She's just trying to rip off what she thinks young voters are interested in.

00:57:38.000 I think you guys are both getting tapped out, but it's been so nice to have you here.

00:57:41.000 We are three minutes and counting till the debate begins.

00:57:45.000 Mr. Mills, you're about to say something?

00:57:47.000 Tim, it's good to see you again.

00:57:48.000 I'll see you about getting you a pair of shoes.

00:57:49.000 Oh, I want a pair of those shoes.

00:57:50.000 It's tough.

00:57:51.000 I'd have to come back out and see you, though.

00:57:53.000 I know it.

00:57:53.000 Come back out, man.

00:57:54.000 Yeah, come back out.

00:57:54.000 You have to see our new studio.

00:57:55.000 Thank you for what you do.

00:57:56.000 God bless you guys.

00:57:57.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:57:57.000 Thank you.

00:57:57.000 Appreciate it.

00:57:58.000 We have a newcomer to the stage.

00:58:00.000 Oh, we have a couple.

00:58:01.000 We'll have to introduce ourselves.

00:58:03.000 We've got two and a half minutes, so come in and introduce yourselves.

00:58:07.000 I'm Andy Harris.

00:58:08.000 I'm a representative from Maryland.

00:58:10.000 I'm one of the chairmen of one of the appropriations subcommittees and a member of the Freedom Caucus.

00:58:15.000 You're the better Harris tonight.

00:58:17.000 That's right, my cousin.

00:58:18.000 Don't vote for her.

00:58:19.000 So it's gotta be western Maryland then?

00:58:21.000 No, eastern.

00:58:22.000 Really?

00:58:22.000 Those are the only two conservative parts.

00:58:23.000 The very western and the very eastern.

00:58:25.000 What about the gentleman sitting next to you?

00:58:27.000 So, uh, Congressman Andy Ogles from Tennessee.

00:58:29.000 So I've got part of Nashville and then mostly southern middle Tennessee.

00:58:34.000 Right on.

00:58:35.000 Well, you guys got two minutes.

00:58:36.000 What do you think is about to happen?

00:58:38.000 Well, it's going to be a train wreck is what it's going to be.

00:58:41.000 I mean, I think Harris wanted the mics on so she could, you know, she's a former prosecutor, so she wanted to nag him, get under his skin, get him flustered, get him mad so that he would say something, you know, kind of out of character or inflammatory.

00:58:56.000 But now that the mics are going to be muted, it's a different game plan.

00:59:00.000 And so as long as he sticks to the script and focuses on the issues, when you look at the contrast, this is over.

00:59:05.000 We win.

00:59:06.000 And look, she's like Joe Biden.

00:59:08.000 She needs notes.

00:59:09.000 I mean, I don't know how she's going to do this without notes.

00:59:11.000 I mean, you know, this is not... She is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

00:59:16.000 Are their aides allowed to talk to them during commercial breaks?

00:59:20.000 With Biden, they weren't allowed to.

00:59:21.000 It's too late.

00:59:21.000 I mean, commercial breaks are too late.

00:59:22.000 You know, this is back and forth.

00:59:25.000 If you're not on your toes, you don't know what's going on.

00:59:27.000 It's going to be... She has the potential to be really sad tonight.

00:59:30.000 That's all I can tell you.

00:59:32.000 Donald Trump's a guy who can talk forever.

00:59:33.000 Yeah, sure.

00:59:35.000 She's going to unburden what has been, so we'll find out.

00:59:38.000 She's going to unburden Democrats from what their preconceptions of her have been.

00:59:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:43.000 Well, their preconceptions are correct.

00:59:46.000 I mean, they know that she could be doing very badly tonight.

00:59:49.000 Well, she's going to talk, but say nothing.

00:59:52.000 And there's going to be a lot of scripted statements that are supposed to sound profound so that the woke mainstream media can interpret them.

01:00:00.000 And look, they've set the bar so low, as long as she doesn't fall asleep up there and she's breathing, she will have exceeded expectations.

01:00:07.000 She will have done better than Joe Biden.

01:00:09.000 And so that's the story tomorrow, is that she exceeded expectations.

01:00:13.000 I'm going to say this just for the soundbite.

01:00:15.000 I think she'll do a little better than people expect.

01:00:17.000 That way, if she does perform well, I'll be like, see, I told you.

01:00:20.000 That's right, that's right.

01:00:21.000 Because everybody's coming out, I'll tell you, everybody's coming out saying Trump's gonna crush her, she's gonna fail miserably, and there's a possibility that she does better than we expect, and a lot of people are gonna say, okay, well, she did better than we expect, right?

01:00:33.000 I mean, this is a former United States prosecutor.

01:00:35.000 The fact that she's, uh, her team had put out a statement saying, well, actually, You know, Donald Trump is a very seasoned debater and he's done so many and it's really, it's very different.

01:00:45.000 They're trying to distance herself from any responsibility.

01:00:48.000 Theoretically, she made her job out of arguing.

01:00:50.000 I mean, she built her career on arguing.

01:00:52.000 What do you mean you can't handle this?

01:00:55.000 For the soundbite, Kamala is going to win the debate.

01:00:59.000 You guys are just trying to be rebellious tonight.

01:01:03.000 I tweeted twice that she'll win a 49th State Landslide.

01:01:06.000 Because what you do is, on Twitter there was this guy who accurately predicted some Super Bowl and the final play and how it was going to go down.

01:01:13.000 And everyone's like, how did he predict this a year in advance?

01:01:15.000 It's because he tweeted like 300 things and then one by one deleted them all.

01:01:19.000 He's like, wow, I'm so good at this!

01:01:22.000 The ABC News debate is beginning.

01:01:25.000 And around the world tonight.

01:01:26.000 Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president.

01:01:33.000 And I'm Lindsay Davis.

01:01:34.000 Tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with Election Day now less than two months away.

01:01:40.000 For Vice President Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st.

01:01:46.000 Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June.

01:01:50.000 Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic.

01:01:54.000 And that brings us to the rules of tonight's debate.

01:01:56.000 90 minutes with two commercial breaks.

01:01:58.000 No topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns.

01:02:01.000 The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions and this is the clock.

01:02:04.000 That's what they'll be seeing.

01:02:05.000 Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow-ups, clarifications or responses.

01:02:10.000 Their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak.

01:02:13.000 No pre-written notes allowed.

01:02:15.000 There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center.

01:02:19.000 This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met.

01:02:22.000 President Trump won the coin toss.

01:02:24.000 He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening.

01:02:27.000 Vice President Harris selected the podium to the right.

01:02:30.000 So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage.

01:02:32.000 Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump.

01:02:35.000 Do you think we'll get a handshake between the two of them?

01:02:40.000 Gotta do it.

01:02:41.000 Come on, it's only right.

01:02:41.000 Oh, Trump said no!

01:02:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:02:44.000 Thank you.

01:02:45.000 Have fun.

01:02:47.000 Welcome to you both.

01:02:48.000 It's wonderful to have you.

01:02:49.000 It's an honor to have you both here tonight.

01:02:51.000 Good evening.

01:02:51.000 We are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate.

01:02:55.000 So let's get started.

01:02:56.000 I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country.

01:03:03.000 Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago?

01:03:13.000 When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

01:03:18.000 So, I was raised as a middle class kid.

01:03:22.000 And I'm actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.

01:03:30.000 I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people.

01:03:35.000 And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy.

01:03:41.000 Because here's the thing.

01:03:42.000 We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing.

01:03:46.000 And the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people.

01:03:50.000 We know that young families need support to raise their children, and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children.

01:04:11.000 My passion, one of them, is small businesses.

01:04:15.000 My mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us.

01:04:19.000 We call her our second mother.

01:04:20.000 She was a small business owner.

01:04:22.000 I love our small businesses.

01:04:24.000 My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.

01:04:34.000 My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before.

01:04:38.000 Yep.

01:04:38.000 Which is to provide a tax cut for corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit.

01:04:47.000 My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month.

01:04:57.000 Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

01:05:17.000 President Trump will give you two minutes. First of all, I have no sales tax. That's an incorrect statement. She knows

01:05:22.000 that We're doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are

01:05:25.000 going to finally after 75 years pay us back for all that we've done for the world

01:05:31.000 and The tariff will be substantial in some cases

01:05:35.000 I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China.

01:05:38.000 In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't.

01:05:42.000 It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do.

01:05:45.000 They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places they've left the tariffs on.

01:05:50.000 When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation.

01:05:53.000 Look, we've had a Terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster.

01:05:59.000 It breaks up countries.

01:06:01.000 We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before.

01:06:04.000 Probably the worst in our nation's history.

01:06:07.000 We were at 21%, but that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70 and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago.

01:06:15.000 This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class.

01:06:19.000 On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from Prisons and jails from mental institutions and insane asylums.

01:06:28.000 And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions.

01:06:37.000 Unions are going to be affected very soon.

01:06:39.000 And you see what's happening.

01:06:40.000 You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States.

01:06:42.000 You look at Springfield, Ohio.

01:06:45.000 You look at Aurora in Colorado.

01:06:47.000 They are taking over the towns.

01:06:49.000 They're taking over buildings.

01:06:50.000 They're going in violently.

01:06:52.000 These are the people that she and Biden let into our country, and they're destroying our country.

01:06:59.000 They're dangerous.

01:07:00.000 They're at the highest level of criminality, and we have to get them out.

01:07:04.000 We have to get them out fast.

01:07:05.000 I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country.

01:07:10.000 I'll do it again and even better.

01:07:12.000 We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate, but I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

01:07:19.000 Well, I would love to.

01:07:20.000 Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us.

01:07:24.000 Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.

01:07:29.000 Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century.

01:07:35.000 Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.

01:07:43.000 And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess.

01:07:47.000 What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people.

01:07:54.000 But I'm going to tell you on this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook A bunch of lies, grievances, and name-calling.

01:08:03.000 What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025.

01:08:08.000 Everybody drink!

01:08:15.000 I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us.

01:08:26.000 And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.

01:08:29.000 President Trump will give you a minute here to respond.

01:08:30.000 Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have

01:08:34.000 nothing to do with Project 2025.

01:08:37.000 That's out there.

01:08:38.000 I haven't read it.

01:08:39.000 I don't want to read it purposely.

01:08:41.000 I'm not going to read it.

01:08:42.000 This was a group of people that got together.

01:08:43.000 They came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference.

01:08:48.000 I have nothing to do.

01:08:49.000 Everybody knows I'm an open book.

01:08:50.000 Everybody knows what I'm going to do.

01:08:52.000 Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before.

01:08:57.000 We had the greatest economy.

01:08:58.000 We got hit with a pandemic.

01:09:00.000 And the pandemic was not since 1917, where 100 million people died.

01:09:05.000 Has there been anything like it?

01:09:06.000 We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.

01:09:09.000 We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in.

01:09:17.000 Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

01:09:19.000 We made ventilators for the entire world.

01:09:21.000 We got gowns.

01:09:22.000 We got masks.

01:09:23.000 We did things that nobody thought possible.

01:09:25.000 And people give me credit for rebuilding the military.

01:09:28.000 They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic.

01:09:33.000 But the only jobs they got were bounce-back jobs.

01:09:35.000 These were jobs bounce-back, and it bounced back, and it went to their benefit.

01:09:40.000 But I was the one that created them.

01:09:42.000 They know it, and so does everybody else.

01:09:43.000 Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.

01:09:45.000 So spicy tonight.

01:09:47.000 Donald Trump has no plan for you.

01:09:50.000 And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people.

01:09:55.000 I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America.

01:10:07.000 What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse, mine would strengthen the economy.

01:10:15.000 What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan 16 Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession.

01:10:33.000 You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues and I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

01:10:49.000 I went to the Wharton School of Finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan.

01:10:56.000 It's a great plan.

01:10:57.000 It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country.

01:11:01.000 It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of Good, solid money for our country.

01:11:10.000 And just to finish off, she doesn't have a plan.

01:11:14.000 She copied Biden's plan, and it's like four sentences.

01:11:19.000 Like, run, spot, run.

01:11:21.000 Four sentences that he just told, we'll try and lower taxes.

01:11:25.000 You can't even take it in.

01:11:25.000 She doesn't have a plan.

01:11:26.000 You can't call for help.

01:11:27.000 She doesn't have a plan.

01:11:28.000 Mr. President, I do want to drill down on something you both brought up.

01:11:31.000 The Vice President brought up tariffs.

01:11:33.000 You responded, and let's drill down on this, because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax.

01:11:40.000 Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board.

01:11:44.000 You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20 percent on goods coming into this country.

01:11:50.000 As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer.

01:11:55.000 Vice President Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year.

01:12:04.000 Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?

01:12:07.000 They're not going to have higher prices.

01:12:09.000 What's going to happen, who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years.

01:12:16.000 I charge, I was the only president ever, China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so were other countries.

01:12:23.000 And you know, if she doesn't like him, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs.

01:12:28.000 But those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration.

01:12:32.000 We're going to take in Billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.

01:12:38.000 I had no inflation, virtually no inflation.

01:12:40.000 They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time.

01:12:46.000 People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else.

01:12:51.000 The people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done.

01:12:56.000 They've destroyed the economy.

01:12:58.000 And all you have to do is look at a poll.

01:12:59.000 The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 percent that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible.

01:13:07.000 Vice President Harris, I do want to ask for your response.

01:13:09.000 And you heard what the president said there because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place.

01:13:15.000 So how do you respond?

01:13:16.000 Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America.

01:13:24.000 He invited trade wars.

01:13:26.000 You want to talk about his deal with China, what he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China to help them She's not answering the question.

01:13:39.000 their military basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure

01:13:46.000 the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century, which means focusing

01:13:52.000 on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing

01:13:58.000 on investing in American-based technology so that we win the race on AI and quantum

01:14:03.000 computing, focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we

01:14:09.000 don't end up having on the short end of the stick in terms of workers' rights.

01:14:15.000 But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi for what he did during COVID.

01:14:24.000 Look at his tweet.

01:14:25.000 Thank you, President Xi!

01:14:28.000 When we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.

01:14:36.000 Whoa, wait a minute!

01:14:38.000 They bought their chips from Taiwan.

01:14:40.000 We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like they have.

01:14:47.000 I don't say her because she has no policy.

01:14:49.000 Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.

01:14:54.000 She's going to my philosophy now.

01:14:56.000 In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.

01:15:00.000 If she ever got elected, she'd change it.

01:15:03.000 It will be the end of our country.

01:15:05.000 She's a Marxist.

01:15:06.000 Everybody knows she's a Marxist.

01:15:08.000 Her father's a Marxist professor in economics and he taught her well.

01:15:12.000 Tell me more.

01:15:15.000 And when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say.

01:15:25.000 And I think it's a lot higher than the 21.

01:15:27.000 That's bigger than New York State pouring in.

01:15:30.000 And just look at what they're doing to our country.

01:15:32.000 They're criminals.

01:15:33.000 Many of these people coming in are criminals.

01:15:35.000 And that's bad for our economy, too.

01:15:37.000 You know, you mentioned before, we'll talk about immigration later.

01:15:40.000 Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy.

01:15:44.000 They have, and she has, destroyed our country with policy that's insane.

01:15:51.000 Almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country.

01:15:54.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:15:56.000 I want to turn to the issue of abortion.

01:15:58.000 President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v. Wade last year.

01:16:03.000 You said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history.

01:16:08.000 Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights.

01:16:13.000 In your home state of Florida, you surprised many with regard to your six-week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short.

01:16:20.000 and you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that we need more than six weeks.

01:16:24.000 But then the very next day, you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six-week ban.

01:16:30.000 Vice President Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion

01:16:34.000 because you've changed your position so many times.

01:16:37.000 Therefore, why should they trust you?

01:16:39.000 The reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is,

01:16:44.000 they have abortion in the ninth month.

01:16:47.000 They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor, is doing an excellent job.

01:16:55.000 But the governor before, he said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby.

01:17:00.000 In other words, we'll execute the baby.

01:17:02.000 And that's why I did that, because that predominates.

01:17:05.000 Because they're radical.

01:17:06.000 The Democrats are radical in that.

01:17:09.000 And her vice presidential pick, which I think is a horrible pick, by the way, for our country.

01:17:14.000 Because he is really out of it.

01:17:16.000 But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine.

01:17:21.000 He also says execution after birth.

01:17:25.000 It's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born is OK.

01:17:29.000 And that's not OK with me.

01:17:31.000 Hence the vote.

01:17:32.000 But what I did is something for 52 years.

01:17:35.000 They've been trying to get Roe v. Wade into the states.

01:17:39.000 And through the genius and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that.

01:17:49.000 Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother.

01:17:53.000 I believe strongly in it.

01:17:55.000 Ronald Reagan did also.

01:17:56.000 Eighty-five percent of Republicans do.

01:17:58.000 Exceptions.

01:17:59.000 Very important.

01:18:00.000 But we were able to get it, and now states are voting on it.

01:18:04.000 And for the first time, you're going to see.

01:18:06.000 Look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years.

01:18:12.000 Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote.

01:18:21.000 And that's what happened.

01:18:23.000 Now, Ohio?

01:18:25.000 The vote was somewhat liberal.

01:18:27.000 Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal.

01:18:29.000 Much more liberal than people would have thought.

01:18:31.000 But each individual state is voting.

01:18:34.000 It's the vote of the people now.

01:18:36.000 It's not tied up in the federal government.

01:18:38.000 I did a great service in doing it.

01:18:39.000 It took courage to do it.

01:18:40.000 And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it.

01:18:43.000 And I give tremendous credit to those six justices.

01:18:46.000 There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.

01:18:51.000 Madam Vice President, I want to get your response to that.

01:18:53.000 Well, as I said, you're going to hear a bunch of lies, and that's not actually a surprising fact.

01:18:59.000 Let's understand how we got here.

01:19:02.000 Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade.

01:19:10.000 And they did exactly as he intended.

01:19:13.000 And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care.

01:19:24.000 In one state, it provides prison for life.

01:19:27.000 Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means.

01:19:33.000 A survivor of a crime, a violation to their body, does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next.

01:19:41.000 That is immoral.

01:19:44.000 And one does not have to abandon their faith.

01:19:48.000 I don't think she could win any moderate or conservatively independent on this issue.

01:19:54.000 You can't tour a Planned Parenthood and then come out and say I'm the more reasonable one.

01:20:03.000 Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail, and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot?

01:20:17.000 She didn't want that?

01:20:19.000 Her husband didn't want that?

01:20:20.000 A 12 or 13 year old survivor of incest?

01:20:24.000 Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term?

01:20:27.000 They don't want that?

01:20:30.000 And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v. Wade as President of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law.

01:20:43.000 But understand, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected, he will sign a national abortion ban.

01:20:49.000 Understand, in his Project 2025, There would be a national abortion monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.

01:20:57.000 I think the American people believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government.

01:21:08.000 Thank you, Vice President Harris.

01:21:10.000 Well, there she goes again.

01:21:11.000 It's a lie.

01:21:12.000 I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to sign a ban, because we've gotten what everybody wanted.

01:21:18.000 Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else, and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states, and the states are voting.

01:21:27.000 And it may take a little time, but for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart, and they've wanted it back in the states.

01:21:36.000 And I did something that nobody thought was possible.

01:21:40.000 The states are now voting.

01:21:42.000 What she says is an absolute lie.

01:21:45.000 And as far as the abortion ban, no, I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states.

01:21:53.000 Would you veto a national abortion ban if it came to your desk?

01:21:56.000 Well, I won't have to because, again, two things.

01:21:58.000 Number one, she said she'll go back to Congress.

01:22:00.000 She'll never get the vote.

01:22:01.000 It's impossible for her to get the vote, especially now with the 50-50, essentially 50-50 in both Senate and the House.

01:22:09.000 She's not going to get the vote.

01:22:10.000 She can't get the vote.

01:22:11.000 She won't even come close to it.

01:22:12.000 So it's just talk.

01:22:13.000 You know what it reminds me of?

01:22:15.000 When they said they're going to get student loans terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe.

01:22:20.000 The student loans and then her, I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach.

01:22:28.000 Her boss went out and said, we'll do it again, we'll do it a different way.

01:22:32.000 And he went out, got rejected again by the Supreme Court.

01:22:35.000 So all these students got taunted with this whole thing about, this whole idea.

01:22:40.000 And how unfair that would have been, part of the reason they lost, to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans.

01:22:48.000 They didn't get it for free.

01:22:49.000 But they were saying, it's the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion.

01:22:54.000 But if I could just get a yes or no, because you're running me, J.D.

01:22:57.000 Vance has said that you would veto if it did come to your desk.

01:23:01.000 Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D.

01:23:02.000 In all fairness, J.D., and I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't.

01:23:11.000 We don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it.

01:23:15.000 Just like she couldn't get student loans, they couldn't get student loans.

01:23:17.000 They didn't even come close to getting student loans.

01:23:19.000 They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans.

01:23:23.000 It was one of the biggest false promises of the Biden campaign.

01:23:25.000 So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress.

01:23:27.000 Oh, wonderful.

01:23:28.000 Let's go to Congress.

01:23:29.000 Do it.

01:23:30.000 But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government.

01:23:34.000 And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done.

01:23:37.000 And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.

01:23:40.000 Vice President Harris, I want to give you your time to respond, but I do want to ask would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion?

01:23:47.000 I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v. Wade and as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America Is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion.

01:24:03.000 That is not happening.

01:24:04.000 It's insulting to the women of America.

01:24:06.000 And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans.

01:24:10.000 I can't do four years of her speaking for the women of America.

01:24:14.000 And dream of having a family.

01:24:16.000 Are being denied IVF.

01:24:18.000 What's happening in our country?

01:24:20.000 Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the health care she needs.

01:24:38.000 You barely can afford to do it, and what you are putting her through is unconscionable.

01:24:45.000 And the people of America have not, the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, the people of America have voted for freedom.

01:25:01.000 Vice President Harris, she completely sidestepped being specific there.

01:25:04.000 It's another lie.

01:25:06.000 I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization.

01:25:10.000 The IVF, I have been a leader.

01:25:12.000 In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts, I saw the

01:25:18.000 people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in.

01:25:23.000 I've been a leader on it.

01:25:24.000 They know that and everybody else knows it.

01:25:27.000 I have been a leader on fertilization IVF.

01:25:30.000 And the other thing, they...

01:25:32.000 You should ask.

01:25:33.000 Will she allow abortion in the 8th month, 9th month, 7th month?

01:25:41.000 Why don't you ask her that question?

01:25:43.000 That's the problem.

01:25:44.000 Because under Roe v. Wade, you could do abortions in the 7th month, the 8th month, the 9th month, and probably after birth.

01:25:53.000 Just look at the governor, former governor of Virginia.

01:25:56.000 The governor of Virginia said, we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby.

01:26:01.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:26:02.000 We're going to turn now to immigration and border security.

01:26:05.000 We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country.

01:26:10.000 Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America.

01:26:16.000 We know that illegal lawyer crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration.

01:26:20.000 This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions.

01:26:24.000 We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly.

01:26:27.000 But my question to you tonight is, why did the administration wait until six months before

01:26:31.000 the election to act?

01:26:33.000 And would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this?

01:26:36.000 So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations

01:26:41.000 for the trafficking of guns, drugs and human beings.

01:26:46.000 And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill which I supported.

01:26:57.000 And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now, over time, trying to do their job.

01:27:07.000 It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States.

01:27:12.000 I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country.

01:27:19.000 That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings.

01:27:27.000 But you know what happened to that bill?

01:27:29.000 Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress, and said, kill the bill.

01:27:35.000 And you know why?

01:27:35.000 This is a terrible bill.

01:27:36.000 Because he prefers to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.

01:27:37.000 The bill that said we should have a certain number of illegal immigrants enter the country.

01:27:41.000 And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a

01:27:48.000 leader who engages in solutions.

01:27:51.000 Who actually addresses the problems.

01:27:54.000 But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.

01:28:01.000 And I'll tell you something, he's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised.

01:28:06.000 And I'm going to actually do something really unusual, and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies.

01:28:12.000 Because it's a really interesting thing to watch.

01:28:14.000 Have you ever been to one?

01:28:14.000 You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.

01:28:20.000 He will talk about when mills cause cancer, and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.

01:28:30.000 And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you.

01:28:33.000 You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires.

01:28:38.000 And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first, and I pledge to you that I will.

01:28:45.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:28:46.000 President Trump, on that point, I want to get your response.

01:28:49.000 Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that building?

01:28:51.000 Successfully so.

01:28:52.000 That would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border.

01:28:55.000 First, let me respond is to the rallies.

01:28:57.000 She said people start leaving.

01:28:59.000 People don't go to her rallies.

01:29:00.000 There's no reason.

01:29:02.000 And the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light.

01:29:09.000 So she can't talk about that.

01:29:10.000 People don't like my rallies.

01:29:11.000 The biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics.

01:29:15.000 That's because people want to take their country back.

01:29:18.000 Our country is being lost.

01:29:20.000 We're a failing nation.

01:29:22.000 And it happened three and a half years ago.

01:29:25.000 And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War Three, just to go into another subject.

01:29:30.000 What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States.

01:29:40.000 And a lot of towns don't want to talk.

01:29:41.000 It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.

01:29:43.000 A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.

01:29:47.000 In Springfield, they're eating the dogs.

01:29:50.000 They're eating the cats.

01:29:55.000 I mean, I don't, I didn't hear anybody dogs.

01:29:57.000 This is what's happening in our country and it's a shame.

01:30:03.000 As far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say.

01:30:09.000 They want to bring our country back.

01:30:11.000 They want to make America great again.

01:30:13.000 It's a very simple phrase.

01:30:14.000 Make America great again.

01:30:16.000 She's destroying this country, and if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success.

01:30:22.000 Not only success, we'll end up being Venezuela on steroids.

01:30:27.000 I just want to clarify here.

01:30:28.000 You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there.

01:30:33.000 He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals.

01:30:42.000 The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food.

01:30:47.000 So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.

01:30:51.000 I'm not taking this from television.

01:30:52.000 But the people on television say my dog was eaten by the people that went there.

01:30:57.000 Again, Springfield City Manager says there's no evidence of that.

01:31:00.000 Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.

01:31:03.000 You talk about extreme.

01:31:08.000 This is, I think, one of the reasons why, in this election, I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain.

01:31:21.000 I don't think that's the way she thinks it is.

01:31:24.000 Former Vice President Dick Cheney.

01:31:29.000 And if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him.

01:31:39.000 His former chief of staff, a four-star general, has said he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States.

01:31:46.000 His former National Security Advisor has said he is dangerous and unfit.

01:31:50.000 Less on character, more on immigration.

01:31:51.000 His former Secretary of Defense has said the nation's republic would never survive another Trump term.

01:32:00.000 And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election.

01:32:10.000 President Trump, I'll give you a quick minute to respond.

01:32:13.000 Thank you.

01:32:14.000 Because when I hear that, see, I'm a different kind of a person.

01:32:18.000 I fired most of those people.

01:32:21.000 They did bad things or a bad job.

01:32:24.000 I fired them.

01:32:25.000 They never fired one person.

01:32:26.000 They didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who were just killed, viciously and violently killed.

01:32:35.000 And I got to know the parents and the family.

01:32:38.000 They didn't fire.

01:32:39.000 They should have fired all those generals, all those top people, because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen.

01:32:48.000 So when somebody does a bad job, I'd fire him.

01:32:51.000 And you take a guy like Esper.

01:32:53.000 He was no good.

01:32:54.000 I fired him.

01:32:54.000 So he writes a book.

01:32:55.000 Another one writes a book.

01:32:56.000 Because with me, they can write books.

01:32:58.000 With nobody else, can they?

01:32:59.000 But they have done such a poor job, and they never fire anybody.

01:33:04.000 Look at the economy.

01:33:05.000 Look at the inflation.

01:33:07.000 They didn't fire any of their economists.

01:33:09.000 They have the same people.

01:33:11.000 That's a good way not to have books written about you.

01:33:14.000 But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far.

01:33:20.000 In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president, in history by far.

01:33:27.000 Let me continue on immigration.

01:33:28.000 It was what you wanted to talk about earlier, so let's get back to your deportation proposal that the Vice President has reacted to as well.

01:33:36.000 President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country.

01:33:40.000 You say you would use the National Guard.

01:33:42.000 You say if things get out of control, you'd have no problem using the U.S.

01:33:45.000 military.

01:33:46.000 You also said you would use local police.

01:33:49.000 How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants?

01:33:52.000 I know you believe that number is much higher.

01:33:55.000 Take us through this.

01:33:56.000 What does this look like?

01:33:57.000 Will authorities be going door-to-door in this country?

01:33:59.000 It is much higher because of them.

01:34:03.000 They allowed criminals.

01:34:04.000 Many, many millions of criminals.

01:34:06.000 They allowed terrorists.

01:34:07.000 They allowed common street criminals.

01:34:10.000 They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country, and they're now in the United States and told by their countries, like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you.

01:34:22.000 Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down?

01:34:27.000 You know why?

01:34:29.000 Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country.

01:34:34.000 And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow, and I think they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes, but it's not worth it.

01:34:44.000 Because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done.

01:34:48.000 There's never been anything done like this at all.

01:34:51.000 They've destroyed the fabric of our country.

01:34:54.000 Millions of people let in.

01:34:56.000 And all over the world, crime is down.

01:34:59.000 All over the world except here.

01:35:00.000 Crime here is up and through the roof.

01:35:02.000 Despite their fraudulent statements that they made, crime in this country is through the roof.

01:35:07.000 And we have a new form of crime.

01:35:09.000 It's called migrant crime.

01:35:10.000 And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.

01:35:13.000 President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down on this country.

01:35:18.000 Excuse me, the FBI, they were defrauding statements.

01:35:21.000 They didn't include the worst cities.

01:35:23.000 They didn't include the cities with the worst crime.

01:35:26.000 It was a fraud.

01:35:28.000 Just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud.

01:35:33.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:35:34.000 I'll let you respond.

01:35:35.000 Well, I think this is so rich.

01:35:38.000 Coming from someone who has been prosecuted.

01:35:40.000 She was not gonna go low, remember that.

01:35:42.000 She's not talking about immigration, though.

01:35:43.000 She's only talking about his character.

01:35:44.000 She can't talk about immigration.

01:35:45.000 crimes, election interference, has been found liable for sexual assault, and his next big

01:35:53.000 court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing.

01:35:58.000 And let's be clear, we're each person's fans on the issue of what is important about respect

01:36:04.000 for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement.

01:36:08.000 The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents, get this, on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts.

01:36:20.000 So let's talk about what is important in this race.

01:36:23.000 It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people.

01:36:34.000 Address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for.

01:36:39.000 Address what we must do to support our small businesses.

01:36:43.000 Address bringing down the price of groceries.

01:36:46.000 But frankly, the American people are exhausted with the same old tired playbook.

01:36:51.000 Vice President Harris.

01:36:52.000 Thank you.

01:36:52.000 Excuse me.

01:36:53.000 Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent.

01:36:58.000 And I'm winning most of them.

01:37:00.000 And I will win the rest on appeal.

01:37:02.000 And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.

01:37:06.000 I'm winning most of them.

01:37:07.000 But those are cases.

01:37:08.000 It's called weaponization.

01:37:10.000 Never happened in this country.

01:37:12.000 They weaponized the Justice Department.

01:37:14.000 Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ from Atlanta and Farney Willis to the Attorney General of New York and the DA in New York.

01:37:24.000 Every one of those cases.

01:37:26.000 And then they say, oh, he was he's a criminal.

01:37:30.000 They're the ones that made them go after me.

01:37:33.000 By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case.

01:37:37.000 And what happened in my documents case?

01:37:39.000 They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all.

01:37:41.000 A complete and total victory.

01:37:44.000 Two months ago it was thrown out.

01:37:46.000 It's weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened in this country.

01:37:50.000 They used it to try and win an election.

01:37:53.000 They're fake cases.

01:37:54.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:37:55.000 A really quick response here, Vice President Harris, on this notion of weaponization of the Justice Department.

01:37:59.000 Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place.

01:38:06.000 The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again.

01:38:16.000 Understand, this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the Constitution of the United States, that he would weaponize The Department of Justice against his political enemies.

01:38:30.000 Someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military.

01:38:36.000 Understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House with no guardrails.

01:38:43.000 Because certainly we know now the court won't stop him.

01:38:45.000 We know J.D.

01:38:46.000 Vance is not going to stop him.

01:38:48.000 It's up to the American people.

01:38:50.000 Vice President Harris.

01:38:51.000 Lindsey?

01:38:51.000 Thank you.

01:38:52.000 Vice President Harris in your last run for president.

01:38:56.000 This is the one that weaponized, not me.

01:38:58.000 She weaponized.

01:38:59.000 I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me.

01:39:05.000 They talk about democracy.

01:39:07.000 I'm a threat to democracy.

01:39:08.000 They're the threat to democracy with a fake Russia, Russia, Russia investigation that went nowhere.

01:39:14.000 We have a lot to get to.

01:39:15.000 Lindsey?

01:39:16.000 Vice President Harris, in your last run for president, you said you wanted to ban fracking.

01:39:20.000 Now you don't.

01:39:21.000 You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons.

01:39:24.000 Now your campaign says you don't.

01:39:26.000 You supported decriminalizing border crossings.

01:39:29.000 Now you're taking a harder line.

01:39:30.000 I know you say that your values have not changed.

01:39:33.000 So then why have so many of your policy positions changed?

01:39:36.000 So, my values have been changed.

01:39:38.000 I've been at every point that you've made.

01:39:40.000 I've got to go look at her.

01:39:42.000 But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania.

01:39:45.000 I made that very clear in 2020.

01:39:48.000 I will not ban fracking.

01:39:49.000 I have not banned fracking in the United States.

01:39:52.000 In fact, I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.

01:40:00.000 My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil.

01:40:09.000 We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over-rely on foreign oil.

01:40:22.000 As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle-class kid raised by a hard-working mother who worked and saved and was able to buy her first home when I was a teenager.

01:40:33.000 The values I bring to the importance of home ownership, knowing not everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times.

01:40:44.000 is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase three million homes, increase by three million by the end of January.

01:40:55.000 My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather.

01:41:02.000 And my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable.

01:41:13.000 My work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long-standing work that I have done protecting seniors from scams.

01:41:22.000 My values have not changed and what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down.

01:41:37.000 And name-calling.

01:41:39.000 The true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands that strength is not in beating people down, it's in lifting people up.

01:41:48.000 I intend to be that president.

01:41:50.000 President Trump, your response?

01:41:52.000 Well, first of all, I wasn't given $400 million.

01:41:54.000 I wish I was.

01:41:55.000 My father was a Brooklyn builder, Brooklyn Queens, and a great father, and I learned a lot from him.

01:41:59.000 But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction, and I built it into many, many billions of dollars.

01:42:05.000 Many, many billions.

01:42:06.000 And when people see it, they are even surprised.

01:42:09.000 So we don't have to talk about that.

01:42:11.000 Fracking?

01:42:11.000 She's been against it for 12 years.

01:42:14.000 Defund the police?

01:42:15.000 She's been against that forever.

01:42:17.000 She gave all that stuff up.

01:42:20.000 Very wrongly, very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it, okay?

01:42:24.000 They're all laughing at it.

01:42:25.000 She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies.

01:42:30.000 Like, she was big on defund the police.

01:42:33.000 In Minnesota, she went out.

01:42:34.000 Wait a minute, I'm talking now.

01:42:36.000 She went out.

01:42:44.000 She wanted criminals that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis.

01:42:51.000 She did what he wanted.

01:42:52.000 She wanted to raise money to get him out of jail.

01:42:57.000 Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.

01:43:02.000 This is a radical left liberal that would do this.

01:43:06.000 She wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania.

01:43:11.000 If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one.

01:43:16.000 Just to finish, one thing, so important in my opinion.

01:43:19.000 So, I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before.

01:43:23.000 They took, when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up the roof.

01:43:31.000 They immediately let these guys go to where they were.

01:43:35.000 I would have been five times, four times, five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago.

01:43:42.000 They got it up to where I was because they had no choice because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling.

01:43:49.000 You saw what happened to gasoline.

01:43:51.000 So they said, let's go back to Trump.

01:43:52.000 But if she won the election the day after that election, They'll go back to destroying our country, and oil will be dead.

01:43:59.000 Fossil fuel will be dead.

01:44:00.000 We'll go back to windmills, and we'll go back to solar, where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out of.

01:44:06.000 You ever see a solar plant?

01:44:07.000 By the way, I'm a big fan of solar.

01:44:12.000 400, 500 acres of desert soil.

01:44:14.000 President Trump, we have a lot of issues that we have to get to.

01:44:17.000 We're out of time.

01:44:18.000 Thank you.

01:44:19.000 Lindsey, thank you.

01:44:20.000 We have an election in just 56 days, and I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which, of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis.

01:44:31.000 Mr. President, on January 6th, you told your supporters to march to the Capitol.

01:44:34.000 You said you would be right there with them.

01:44:36.000 The country and the world saw what played out at the Capitol that day, the officers coming under attack.

01:44:41.000 Aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office.

01:44:45.000 You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message

01:44:50.000 telling your supporters to go home.

01:44:52.000 Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

01:44:56.000 You just said a thing that isn't covered.

01:45:00.000 Peacefully and patriotically, I said during my speech, not later on.

01:45:04.000 Peacefully and patriotically.

01:45:07.000 And nobody on the other side was killed.

01:45:09.000 Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out of control police officer that should have never, ever

01:45:15.000 shot her.

01:45:17.000 It's a disgrace.

01:45:18.000 But we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly.

01:45:23.000 I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in?

01:45:28.000 She was the Bordezar, remember that.

01:45:30.000 She was the Bordezar.

01:45:31.000 She doesn't want to be called the Bordezar because she's embarrassed by the border.

01:45:34.000 In fact, she said at the beginning, oh, I'm surprised you're not talking about the border yet.

01:45:38.000 That's because she knows what a bad job they've done.

01:45:41.000 What about those people?

01:45:43.000 What are they going to be prosecuted?

01:45:45.000 When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America, they're coming in from all over the world, David, all over the world.

01:45:54.000 And crime rates are down all over the world because of it.

01:45:57.000 But let me just one of those, David, one of those people going to be prosecuted.

01:46:01.000 One of the people that burned down Minneapolis is going to be prosecuted or in Seattle.

01:46:05.000 They went into Seattle.

01:46:06.000 They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle.

01:46:09.000 When are those people going to be prosecuted?

01:46:12.000 You might ask her that question.

01:46:13.000 You were the president.

01:46:14.000 You were watching it unfold on television.

01:46:16.000 It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election.

01:46:19.000 Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

01:46:23.000 Yes, sir.

01:46:24.000 I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech.

01:46:27.000 I showed up for a speech.

01:46:28.000 I said, I think it's going to be big.

01:46:30.000 I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C.

01:46:34.000 and the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.

01:46:37.000 I said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it.

01:46:42.000 And again, it wasn't done by me.

01:46:43.000 It was done by others.

01:46:45.000 I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers.

01:46:49.000 They rejected me.

01:46:50.000 Nancy Pelosi rejected me.

01:46:52.000 It was just Two weeks ago, her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened.

01:46:58.000 They want to get rid of that tape.

01:47:00.000 It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs.

01:47:05.000 I wasn't responsible for security.

01:47:07.000 Nancy Pelosi was responsible.

01:47:09.000 She didn't do her job.

01:47:11.000 The question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi.

01:47:14.000 But I do want Vice President Harris to respond.

01:47:15.000 I don't need his editorial take at the end.

01:47:18.000 I was at the Capitol on January 6th.

01:47:20.000 I was the vice president-elect.

01:47:22.000 I was also an acting senator.

01:47:24.000 I was there.

01:47:26.000 And on that day, the President of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's capital.

01:47:36.000 To desecrate our nation's capital.

01:47:39.000 On that day, 140 law enforcement officers were injured.

01:47:43.000 And some died.

01:47:45.000 And understand, former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason.

01:47:53.000 But this is not an isolated situation.

01:47:56.000 Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing anti-Semitic hate.

01:48:07.000 And what did the president then at the time say?

01:48:10.000 There were fine people on each side.

01:48:13.000 Let's remember.

01:48:15.000 That when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said, stand back and stand by.

01:48:24.000 So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say, we don't have to go back.

01:48:32.000 Let's not go back.

01:48:33.000 We're not going back.

01:48:34.000 It's time to turn the page.

01:48:37.000 And if that was a bridge too far for you, well there is a place in our campaign for you.

01:48:43.000 To stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law, and to end the chaos And to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy, because you don't like the outcome.

01:49:02.000 And be clear on that point.

01:49:05.000 Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election there will be a bloodbath.

01:49:10.000 The outcome of this luncheon is not to his liking.

01:49:10.000 No, we don't.

01:49:13.000 She should fire whoever prepped me.

01:49:18.000 Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past.

01:49:24.000 Let me just follow up here.

01:49:26.000 It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business.

01:49:32.000 That was where Bloodbath was.

01:49:34.000 Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked.

01:49:38.000 Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity.

01:49:41.000 Yes.

01:49:41.000 Jesse, all of these people, they covered it.

01:49:44.000 If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect.

01:49:47.000 It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up, just like they

01:49:51.000 bring 2025 up.

01:49:53.000 They bring all of this stuff up.

01:49:55.000 I ask you this, you talk about the Capitol.

01:49:58.000 Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border?

01:50:03.000 How come she's not doing it?

01:50:04.000 And I'll tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it.

01:50:07.000 I would say we both leave this debate right now, and I'd like to see her go down To Washington D.C.

01:50:14.000 during this debate, because we're wasting a lot of time.

01:50:17.000 Go down to, because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous.

01:50:20.000 Go down to Washington D.C.

01:50:22.000 and let her sign a bill to close up the border.

01:50:25.000 Because they have the right to do it.

01:50:27.000 They don't need bills.

01:50:28.000 They have the right to do it.

01:50:29.000 The President of the United States.

01:50:30.000 You'll get them out of bed.

01:50:32.000 You'll wake them up.

01:50:35.000 Come on down to the office.

01:50:36.000 Let's sign a bill.

01:50:37.000 If he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border patrol, who are phenomenal.

01:50:44.000 If they do that, the border is closed.

01:50:46.000 Those people are killing many people, unlike J6.

01:50:49.000 We talked immigration here tonight.

01:50:50.000 I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you, because it really brings us this into focus.

01:50:55.000 Truth in these times that we're living in.

01:50:58.000 Mr. President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide.

01:51:07.000 In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.

01:51:15.000 I said that?

01:51:16.000 Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020?

01:51:18.000 No, I don't acknowledge that at all.

01:51:20.000 But you did say that.

01:51:20.000 I said that sarcastically, you know that.

01:51:22.000 And we said, oh, we lost by a whisker.

01:51:24.000 That was said sarcastically.

01:51:27.000 There's so much proof.

01:51:28.000 All you have to do is look at it.

01:51:29.000 And they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval.

01:51:32.000 We're almost an hour in and there are no commercial breaks.

01:51:34.000 I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten.

01:51:37.000 I was told if I got 63, which was what I got in 2016, you can't be beaten.

01:51:43.000 The election, people should never be thinking about it.

01:51:46.000 Election is fraudulent.

01:51:47.000 We need two things.

01:51:48.000 We need walls.

01:51:49.000 We need, and we have to have it, we have to have borders.

01:51:52.000 And we have to have good elections.

01:51:54.000 Our elections are bad.

01:51:56.000 And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote.

01:52:00.000 They can't even speak English.

01:52:01.000 They don't even know what country they're in practically.

01:52:03.000 And these people are trying to get them to vote.

01:52:06.000 And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country.

01:52:09.000 I did watch all of these pieces of video.

01:52:11.000 I didn't detect the sarcasm.

01:52:13.000 Lost by a whisker.

01:52:13.000 We didn't quite make it.

01:52:15.000 And we should just point out here as clarification, you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican.

01:52:21.000 No judge looked at it.

01:52:22.000 They said we didn't have standing.

01:52:24.000 That's the other thing.

01:52:25.000 They said we didn't have standing, a technicality.

01:52:28.000 Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing?

01:52:32.000 The President of the United States doesn't have standing.

01:52:36.000 That's how we lost.

01:52:37.000 If you look at the facts, and I'd love to have you do a special on it.

01:52:41.000 I'll show you Georgia, and I'll show you Wisconsin, and I'll show you Pennsylvania, and I'll show you... We have so many facts and statistics, but you know what?

01:52:50.000 That doesn't matter.

01:52:51.000 Because we have to solve the problem that we have right now.

01:52:54.000 That's old news.

01:52:55.000 And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline, and they have put it into decline.

01:53:02.000 We have a nation that is dying, David.

01:53:05.000 Mr. President, thank you. Vice President Harris, you heard the president there tonight. He said

01:53:09.000 he didn't say that he lost by a whisker. So he still believes he did not lose the election

01:53:13.000 that was won by President Biden and yourself. But I do want to ask you about something that's come

01:53:20.000 up in the last couple of days. This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming election

01:53:24.000 just weeks away. He said, when I win, those people who cheated and then he had

01:53:28.000 So let's be clear about that.

01:53:29.000 voters, election officials, he says will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,

01:53:34.000 which will include long-term prison sentences.

01:53:36.000 One of your campaign's top lawyers responded, saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate

01:53:40.000 us.

01:53:41.000 We won't let him suppress the vote.

01:53:43.000 Is that what you believe he's trying to do?

01:53:46.000 Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people.

01:53:50.000 So let's be clear about that.

01:53:52.000 And clearly, he is having a very difficult time processing that.

01:53:56.000 But we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts, as he did

01:54:03.000 in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election.

01:54:09.000 And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as Vice President of the United States, and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump.

01:54:18.000 I have talked with military leaders.

01:54:20.000 Does she know who her boss is?

01:54:22.000 And they say you're a disgrace.

01:54:25.000 And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did in fact lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament Or the ability to not be confused about fact.

01:54:51.000 That's deeply troubling, and the American people deserve better.

01:54:55.000 I'll give you one minute to respond.

01:54:59.000 Victor Orban, one of the most respected men.

01:55:01.000 They call him a strong man.

01:55:02.000 He's a tough person.

01:55:04.000 Smart.

01:55:05.000 Prime Minister of Hungary.

01:55:07.000 They said, why is the whole world blowing up?

01:55:10.000 Three years ago it wasn't.

01:55:11.000 Why is it blowing up?

01:55:13.000 He said, because you need Trump back as president.

01:55:17.000 They were afraid of him.

01:55:18.000 China was afraid.

01:55:19.000 And I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him.

01:55:22.000 China was afraid of him.

01:55:24.000 North Korea was afraid of him.

01:55:26.000 Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way.

01:55:28.000 He said Russia was afraid of him.

01:55:30.000 I ended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and Biden put it back on day one, but he ended the XL pipeline.

01:55:37.000 The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that, but he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany, the biggest pipeline in the world.

01:55:47.000 Victor Orban said it.

01:55:51.000 He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump.

01:55:55.000 We had no problems when Trump was president, but when this weak Pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her.

01:56:07.000 She got no votes.

01:56:08.000 He got 14 million votes.

01:56:09.000 What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy.

01:56:12.000 He got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office.

01:56:16.000 I'll give you a little secret.

01:56:16.000 And you know what?

01:56:17.000 He hates her.

01:56:21.000 They threw him out.

01:56:23.000 She got zero votes.

01:56:25.000 And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed.

01:56:29.000 And now she's running.

01:56:31.000 I don't understand it, but I'm okay with it because I think we're going to do very well.

01:56:36.000 It matters how saying international humanitarian law must be respected.

01:56:39.000 Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.

01:56:41.000 Vice President Harris, in December you said, quote, Israel has a right to defend itself.

01:56:46.000 But you added, quote, it matters how, saying international humanitarian law must be respected.

01:56:52.000 Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.

01:56:55.000 You said that nine months ago.

01:56:56.000 Now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead.

01:57:00.000 Nearly 100 hostages remain.

01:57:02.000 Just last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making.

01:57:07.000 President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate.

01:57:10.000 How would you do it?

01:57:12.000 Well, let's understand how we got here.

01:57:14.000 On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis.

01:57:24.000 Many of them young people who were simply attending a concert.

01:57:28.000 Women were horribly raped.

01:57:30.000 And so absolutely, I said then, I say now, Israel has a right to defend itself.

01:57:35.000 We would.

01:57:37.000 And how it does so matters.

01:57:40.000 Because it is also true, far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.

01:57:46.000 Children, mothers.

01:57:48.000 What we know is that this war must end.

01:57:52.000 It must end immediately.

01:57:55.000 And the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out.

01:58:00.000 And so we will continue to work around the clock on that.

01:58:04.000 Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution.

01:58:10.000 And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and an equal measure for the Palestinians.

01:58:19.000 But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel.

01:58:33.000 But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve.

01:58:44.000 President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza?

01:58:54.000 If I were president, it would have never started.

01:58:56.000 That's right.

01:58:57.000 If I were president, Russia would have never, ever, I know Putin very well, he would have never, and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years, have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up.

01:59:10.000 Far worse than people understand what's going on over there.

01:59:14.000 But when she mentions about Israel, all of a sudden, she hates Israel.

01:59:18.000 She wouldn't even meet With Netanyahu, when he went to Congress to make a very important speech, she refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers.

01:59:28.000 She wanted to go to the sorority party.

01:59:30.000 She hates Israel.

01:59:31.000 If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now.

01:59:36.000 And I've been pretty good at predictions, and I hope I'm wrong about that one.

01:59:40.000 She hates Israel.

01:59:41.000 At the same time, in her own way, she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up.

01:59:50.000 Arabs, Jewish people, Israel.

01:59:54.000 Israel will be gone.

01:59:55.000 It would have never happened.

01:59:57.000 Iran was broke under Donald Trump.

02:00:00.000 Now Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had.

02:00:05.000 Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different spheres of terror.

02:00:12.000 And they are spheres of terror, horrible terror.

02:00:15.000 They had no money.

02:00:16.000 It was a big story, and you know it.

02:00:18.000 You covered it very well, actually.

02:00:20.000 They had no money for terror.

02:00:23.000 They were broke.

02:00:24.000 Now they're a rich nation, and now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.

02:00:29.000 And funding terrorists.

02:00:30.000 Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen.

02:00:33.000 Look at what's going on in the Middle East.

02:00:35.000 This would have never happened.

02:00:37.000 I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended.

02:00:43.000 If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president.

02:00:48.000 Vice President Harris, he says you hate Israel.

02:00:51.000 That's absolutely not true.

02:00:53.000 I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people.

02:00:58.000 He knows that.

02:00:59.000 He's trying to, again, divide and distract from the reality, which is, it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy.

02:01:12.000 It is well known that he admires dictators.

02:01:15.000 He wants to be a dictator on day one.

02:01:17.000 According to himself, it is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.

02:01:28.000 It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant.

02:01:35.000 It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un.

02:01:40.000 And it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear they can manipulate you with flattery and favors.

02:01:54.000 And that is why So many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace.

02:02:02.000 That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security, including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military.

02:02:17.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:02:19.000 And she's the one that caused it.

02:02:22.000 That's weak on national security by allowing every nation, last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country.

02:02:31.000 Their crime weights are way down.

02:02:34.000 Putin endorsed her last week.

02:02:36.000 Crime weights.

02:02:36.000 Said, I hope she wins.

02:02:37.000 And I think he meant it.

02:02:38.000 Because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible.

02:02:42.000 It wouldn't have happened with me.

02:02:44.000 The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent, and they are.

02:02:49.000 They're grossly incompetent.

02:02:51.000 And I just ask one question.

02:02:53.000 Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream 2, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe?

02:03:04.000 Because they're weak and they're ineffective.

02:03:07.000 And Biden, by the way, gets paid a lot of money.

02:03:09.000 Thank you.

02:03:10.000 We have a lot of issues to get to.

02:03:11.000 We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia.

02:03:17.000 Back in a moment.

02:03:18.000 So first hour in and we're getting our first commercial break.

02:03:21.000 Are you getting the signal to leave us?

02:03:23.000 Yeah, thanks for having us.

02:03:24.000 This has been amazing.

02:03:28.000 You guys killed it.

02:03:29.000 Thank you.

02:03:30.000 So we're in the commercial break, which I imagine will probably only be, what, a couple minutes?

02:03:35.000 Two minutes.

02:03:35.000 Two minutes is probably the most.

02:03:36.000 And then we do another 30, with most of it being final statements.

02:03:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:42.000 How much longer is it?

02:03:44.000 It's supposed to be 90 minutes in total.

02:03:45.000 So if we've gotten an hour in, you know, roughly when we get back, I'd say about 30 minutes left.

02:03:49.000 It's hard to say completely.

02:03:52.000 I certainly think Kamala's done better than a lot of people thought she was going to do, but not that I think it's a tremendous performance.

02:03:58.000 Donald Trump has gotten angry, and that's what I think she's trying to get him to do.

02:04:02.000 I just think he turned around the 2020 election pretty well.

02:04:07.000 He's getting into it.

02:04:08.000 It's a weak spot for him.

02:04:09.000 Regular people are sitting there confused, and they're tuning out.

02:04:12.000 They're saying, I don't know what this is, or what he's talking about, or why it matters.

02:04:15.000 So when he flips, he says, it's old news.

02:04:16.000 We need to focus.

02:04:18.000 Sounds like someone gave him good advice and he remembered and he jumped in.

02:04:21.000 But gentlemen, would you like to introduce yourselves before the commercial?

02:04:24.000 Okay, I'm Dan Bishop, North Carolina.

02:04:27.000 Running for Attorney General there instead of for re-election to Congress, but glad to be with you guys tonight.

02:04:32.000 AG's a big deal.

02:04:35.000 Eli Crane, freshman member from Arizona.

02:04:39.000 Why did you choose to run for AG over re-election?

02:04:42.000 This place is pretty frustrating.

02:04:45.000 We don't do things here.

02:04:46.000 It's stagnant and neutralized, and AG spots have emerged over the last 20 years.

02:04:51.000 One of the most consequential positions in American politics, and I'm ready to get in and make things happen.

02:04:56.000 And how long have you been in Congress?

02:04:57.000 Just five years.

02:04:58.000 I was elected in a special election in 2019.

02:05:02.000 So you're new to the game.

02:05:03.000 Are you excited about possibly being AG and having that kind of impact on your state?

02:05:08.000 Absolutely.

02:05:09.000 Not that new to the game.

02:05:10.000 I was a state legislator before that.

02:05:12.000 I served in local government at one point.

02:05:13.000 I haven't done politics all the time, but five years in Congress is a long time.

02:05:19.000 It must feel like a lifetime.

02:05:21.000 I could stay for another five, ten, fifteen years, and most do.

02:05:25.000 But if you feel like you're called to be somewhere else.

02:05:26.000 That's right.

02:05:27.000 I think there's another opportunity.

02:05:28.000 I'm going to leave it to great, tough warriors like Eli Crane.

02:05:32.000 He is really fantastic.

02:05:34.000 It was hard for me even to imagine, as he just said it, that he's a freshman.

02:05:38.000 Because we were together in that Patriot 20 fight at the beginning of 2023 about what leadership was going to, who was going to be in leadership and what we were going to do to get there.

02:05:48.000 And boy, that was a great time.

02:05:49.000 And he's a courageous guy.

02:05:51.000 What have you guys thought of the debate so far?

02:05:54.000 I think it's been pretty awesome.

02:05:55.000 I kind of came into this debate thinking that even if Trump bombed, I think he was going to be okay.

02:06:01.000 And the reason for that is because I don't think that he's up in the polls for the first time ever and he's bringing so many new people.

02:06:11.000 into his camp because he's a great debater.

02:06:13.000 I think that he's up and people want him back because they can see the difference in their lived experiences and he has a track record as a strong leader.

02:06:23.000 I mean he just does.

02:06:24.000 And so I think he's doing a great job.

02:06:26.000 I think he's been funny.

02:06:28.000 I actually like his demeanor as well.

02:06:31.000 I think he's the type of guy that if you get under his skin He can get more emotional, but I think he's done a really good job not really focusing on her, but focusing on the commentators and just, you know, going through his answers.

02:06:47.000 And the cool thing about Trump is, we say in the military all the time, you get good at what you practice.

02:06:51.000 He's been doing, he's been doing debates, long-form podcasts.

02:06:56.000 He answers questions all the time, whereas her, on the other hand, they have to hide her in the basement because they're so afraid that if she opens her mouth, She's not gonna, you know, she's gonna ruin this moderate, problem-solver, false persona that the media's trying so hard to create right now.

02:07:10.000 I think, so there's a lot of people that are mentioning Trump bringing up they're eating the dogs, they're eating the pets, and the media's repeatedly said this is fake news.

02:07:17.000 It's a slightly off-skew talking point.

02:07:20.000 Most of the reports that are coming out are that they're capturing ducks and waterfowl from local parks.

02:07:27.000 Uh, there is some reporting.

02:07:29.000 I have seen many people claim that they've experienced this in and around the area and other areas as well.

02:07:35.000 But no official reporting.

02:07:36.000 Doesn't matter.

02:07:37.000 They're making fun of Donald Trump, saying, aha, he just said this lie, haha, they're gonna make fun of you.

02:07:44.000 Do these liberals that are hearing this, do they really believe that tomorrow the moderate voters who watch the debate are going to Google search that story, are going to look it up, or seek out a fact check on this?

02:07:54.000 Or are they going to go, holy what?!

02:07:56.000 And they're going to call their buddy, you hear this?

02:07:58.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:07:59.000 And I'll tell you what's going to happen, because it is detrimental to this country that this happens this way.

02:08:05.000 Many of these people are going to be hanging out for a pizza and a beer with their buddies, and they're going to be like, you hear these people are eating dogs?

02:08:10.000 That's crazy!

02:08:11.000 And that's the extent of what they've heard.

02:08:13.000 I think Trump punches through with things like that, and then they turn out to be basically true.

02:08:18.000 I mean, maybe the detail's off, but in essence, something's going on.

02:08:21.000 It's very odd.

02:08:22.000 So we are back here with the debate.

02:08:24.000 It's been the position of the Biden administration that we must defend Ukraine from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, to defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's in America's best interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he may be emboldened to move even further into other countries.

02:08:39.000 You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours.

02:08:41.000 You said so just before the break tonight.

02:08:43.000 How exactly would you do that?

02:08:45.000 And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight.

02:08:47.000 Do you want Ukraine to win this war?

02:08:50.000 I want the war to stop.

02:08:52.000 I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions.

02:08:58.000 It's the millions.

02:08:59.000 It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers.

02:09:03.000 Look, We're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are.

02:09:14.000 They're in for 150 billion dollars less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO.

02:09:24.000 They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said either you pay up Oh, we're not going to protect you anymore.

02:09:31.000 So that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people.

02:09:35.000 But you take a look at what's happening.

02:09:38.000 We're in for 250 to 275 billion.

02:09:40.000 There's just no one who can replicate this style.

02:09:45.000 They should be forced to equalize.

02:09:47.000 With that being said, I want to get the war settled.

02:09:50.000 I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well.

02:09:53.000 I have a good relationship and they respect Your president, okay?

02:09:57.000 They respect me.

02:09:58.000 They don't respect Biden.

02:09:59.000 How would you respect him?

02:10:01.000 Why?

02:10:01.000 For what reason?

02:10:02.000 He hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin.

02:10:05.000 Hasn't spoken to anybody.

02:10:07.000 They don't even try to get it.

02:10:08.000 That is a war that's dying to be settled.

02:10:11.000 I will get it settled before he even becomes president.

02:10:13.000 If I win, when I'm president-elect, and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together.

02:10:21.000 That war would have never happened.

02:10:23.000 And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, Unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell.

02:10:30.000 But after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left.

02:10:34.000 I said, oh, he must be negotiating.

02:10:37.000 It must be a good strong point of negotiation.

02:10:40.000 Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him.

02:10:44.000 He had no idea how to stop it.

02:10:46.000 And now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse.

02:10:49.000 And it could lead to World War Three.

02:10:51.000 Don't kid yourself, David.

02:10:52.000 We're playing with World War 3 and we have a president that we don't even know if he's... Where is our president?

02:10:58.000 We don't even know if he's a president.

02:11:00.000 And just to clarify here... They threw him out of the campaign like a dog.

02:11:03.000 We don't even know.

02:11:04.000 Is he our president?

02:11:05.000 But we have a president that doesn't know he's alive.

02:11:10.000 Just to clarify the question, do you believe it's in the U.S.

02:11:13.000 best interest for Ukraine to win this war, yes or no?

02:11:16.000 I think it's the U.S.

02:11:17.000 best interest to get this war finished and just get it done.

02:11:20.000 Negotiate a deal, because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed.

02:11:26.000 I want to take this to Vice President Harris.

02:11:28.000 I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment, but also, as Commander-in-Chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin, and would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden?

02:11:40.000 Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me.

02:11:48.000 I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up.

02:11:54.000 And that's not who we are as Americans.

02:11:56.000 Let's understand what happened here.

02:11:59.000 I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded, tried through force to change territorial boundaries, to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity.

02:12:16.000 And I met with President Zelensky.

02:12:18.000 I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself.

02:12:22.000 Days later I went to NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania.

02:12:27.000 And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense.

02:12:35.000 And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the Javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.

02:12:49.000 If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now.

02:12:53.000 And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine.

02:12:59.000 Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president, and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO.

02:13:14.000 And what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence.

02:13:22.000 Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on the rest of Europe.

02:13:26.000 She's not only saying what she would do differently.

02:13:29.000 I think that was the question.

02:13:30.000 Total nonsense.

02:13:31.000 Right here in Pennsylvania.

02:13:32.000 Why did Putin not make any moves when Donald Trump was president?

02:13:35.000 That's the key here.

02:13:37.000 And what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.

02:13:43.000 She's getting riled up right now.

02:13:44.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:13:46.000 We've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight.

02:13:48.000 Afghanistan came up in the last hour.

02:13:49.000 I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier.

02:13:53.000 Please, I'll give you a minute here.

02:13:55.000 Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow.

02:14:04.000 Quiet, please.

02:14:06.000 in Moscow, much happier than he is right now.

02:14:10.000 But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have.

02:14:13.000 He's got nuclear weapons.

02:14:14.000 I don't have to talk about that.

02:14:15.000 He's got nuclear weapons.

02:14:17.000 Nobody ever thinks about that.

02:14:19.000 And eventually, maybe he'll use them, and maybe he hasn't been that threatening, but

02:14:24.000 he does have that.

02:14:25.000 Something we don't even like to talk about.

02:14:27.000 Nobody likes to talk about it.

02:14:29.000 But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started.

02:14:34.000 Three days later, he went in and he started the war.

02:14:38.000 Because everything they said was weak and stupid.

02:14:41.000 They said the wrong things.

02:14:43.000 That war should have never started.

02:14:45.000 She was the emissary.

02:14:46.000 They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin.

02:14:51.000 And she did.

02:14:52.000 And the war started three days later.

02:14:54.000 That's the kind of talent we have with her.

02:14:57.000 She's worse than Biden, in my opinion.

02:14:59.000 I think he's the worst president in the history of our country.

02:15:01.000 She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country.

02:15:05.000 But let me tell you something.

02:15:06.000 She is a horrible negotiator.

02:15:09.000 They sent her in to negotiate.

02:15:11.000 As soon as they left, Putin did the invasion.

02:15:14.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:15:15.000 You did bring up something.

02:15:16.000 You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin.

02:15:18.000 Vice President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?

02:15:20.000 Can you clarify tonight?

02:15:22.000 Yet again, I said it at the beginning of this debate.

02:15:23.000 You're going to hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.

02:15:26.000 And that is another one.

02:15:28.000 When I went to meet with President Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times.

02:15:32.000 So yes.

02:15:32.000 The reality is it has been about standing as America always should, as a leader upholding

02:15:40.000 international rules and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that the

02:15:46.000 alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends

02:15:53.000 and not favor our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy.

02:16:02.000 And that is very much what is at stake here.

02:16:05.000 The President of the United States is Commander in Chief and the American people have a right

02:16:10.000 to rely on a President who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility

02:16:19.000 in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles

02:16:25.000 and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.

02:16:30.000 We talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin.

02:16:32.000 I do want to talk about Afghanistan.

02:16:33.000 It came up in the first hour of this debate.

02:16:37.000 I want to move on to Afghanistan.

02:16:39.000 Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

02:16:41.000 He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, to pay up.

02:16:46.000 He said, I've never seen.

02:16:47.000 He's the head of NATO.

02:16:48.000 He said, I've never seen.

02:16:50.000 For years, we were paying almost all of NATO.

02:16:53.000 We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO.

02:16:58.000 I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before, if you don't pay, we're not going to protect you.

02:17:04.000 Otherwise we would have never gotten it.

02:17:05.000 He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.

02:17:09.000 Thank you.

02:17:10.000 I want to turn to Afghanistan.

02:17:11.000 It came up in the first hour of the debate and we witnessed a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

02:17:19.000 I do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?

02:17:26.000 Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.

02:17:32.000 Four presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did.

02:17:36.000 And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day we were paying for that endless war.

02:17:43.000 And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century.

02:17:56.000 But let's understand how we got to where we are.

02:17:59.000 Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.

02:18:05.000 He calls himself a dealmaker.

02:18:07.000 Even his national security advisor said it was a weak, terrible deal.

02:18:12.000 And here's how it went down.

02:18:14.000 He bypassed the Afghan government.

02:18:16.000 He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban.

02:18:21.000 The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists, Taliban terrorists, released.

02:18:27.000 And get this.

02:18:28.000 No, get this.

02:18:30.000 And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David.

02:18:36.000 A place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders.

02:18:49.000 And this former president, as president, invited them to Camp David because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of the President of the United States to be Commander-in-Chief

02:19:08.000 with a level of respect.

02:19:10.000 And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members

02:19:16.000 of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength

02:19:22.000 and the respect of the United States of America around the world.

02:19:26.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:19:28.000 President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the Taliban.

02:19:31.000 So if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot

02:19:39.000 of them with snipers.

02:19:41.000 And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.

02:19:46.000 That's the fighting force within Afghanistan.

02:19:48.000 They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time.

02:19:51.000 But I got involved.

02:19:53.000 And Abdul is the head of the Taliban.

02:19:56.000 He is still the head of the Taliban.

02:19:58.000 And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore.

02:20:00.000 You do it anymore.

02:20:01.000 You're going to have problems.

02:20:03.000 And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house?

02:20:05.000 I said, you're going to have to figure that out.

02:20:07.000 Eighteen months.

02:20:09.000 We had nobody killed.

02:20:11.000 We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo.

02:20:14.000 It was a very good agreement.

02:20:15.000 The reason it was good, it was we were getting out.

02:20:19.000 We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers.

02:20:22.000 We wouldn't have left many Americans behind.

02:20:24.000 We wouldn't have left.

02:20:25.000 We wouldn't have left.

02:20:27.000 85 billion dollars worth of brand new beautiful military equipment behind and just to finish what she just said over blew it the agreement said you have to do this this this this this and they didn't do it they didn't do it the agreement was Was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.

02:20:48.000 I want to move on.

02:20:49.000 And these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.

02:20:56.000 And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine, because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.

02:21:03.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:21:04.000 I feel like it was the top five terrible moments in history for us.

02:21:06.000 I want to move on now to race and politics in this country.

02:21:08.000 Mr. President, you recently said of Vice President Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.

02:21:17.000 I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.

02:21:20.000 Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?

02:21:24.000 I don't, and I don't care.

02:21:25.000 I don't care what she is.

02:21:27.000 I don't care.

02:21:29.000 You make a big deal out of something.

02:21:31.000 I couldn't care less.

02:21:32.000 Whatever she wants to be is okay with me.

02:21:36.000 I don't know.

02:21:37.000 I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out.

02:21:43.000 And I'll say that.

02:21:44.000 And then I read that she was black.

02:21:47.000 And that's okay.

02:21:48.000 Either one was okay with me.

02:21:49.000 That's up to her.

02:21:50.000 That's up to her.

02:21:51.000 Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this?

02:21:54.000 I think it's, I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people.

02:22:10.000 You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we don't want This kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.

02:22:21.000 And let's remember how Donald Trump started.

02:22:24.000 He was a...

02:22:25.000 That's her race all the time.

02:22:26.000 That's her faith.

02:22:27.000 Do you remember Biden's speech?

02:22:28.000 He owned land, he owned buildings.

02:22:32.000 He was investigated because he refused to rent property to black families.

02:22:39.000 Let's remember this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent, the Central Park Five.

02:22:57.000 Took out a full-page ad calling for their execution.

02:23:00.000 This is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the United States.

02:23:08.000 And I think the American people want better than that.

02:23:11.000 I do love how Trump has not acknowledged her all night.

02:23:13.000 He's not looked at her fairly.

02:23:14.000 He's barely looked at her face.

02:23:15.000 He wants someone who understands, as I do, I travel our country.

02:23:20.000 We see in each other a friend.

02:23:23.000 We see in each other a neighbor.

02:23:25.000 We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other.

02:23:33.000 I meet with people all the time who tell me Can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people?

02:23:46.000 Knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those, not in hate and division.

02:23:57.000 She really cares what race you are.

02:23:59.000 That's the reality.

02:24:00.000 President Trump, this is now your third time What?

02:24:04.000 This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country.

02:24:09.000 There's never been anything like it.

02:24:10.000 They're destroying our country, and they come up with things like what she just said.

02:24:16.000 Going back many, many years, when a lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park Five, they admitted, they said, they pled guilty.

02:24:26.000 And I said, well, if they pled guilty, they'd badly hurt a person, killed a person, ultimately.

02:24:32.000 And if they pled guilty, then they pled.

02:24:34.000 We're not guilty.

02:24:35.000 But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago, because there's nothing now.

02:24:43.000 I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm going to build it again.

02:24:48.000 It's going to be bigger, better and stronger.

02:24:50.000 But they're destroying our economy.

02:24:52.000 They have no idea what a good economy is.

02:24:55.000 Their oil policies.

02:24:56.000 Every single policy.

02:24:58.000 And remember this.

02:24:59.000 She is Biden.

02:25:01.000 You know, she's trying to get away from Biden.

02:25:02.000 I don't know the gentleman she says.

02:25:04.000 She is Biden.

02:25:06.000 The worst inflation we've ever had.

02:25:08.000 A horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad.

02:25:12.000 And she can't get away with that.

02:25:14.000 Thank you.

02:25:15.000 Your time is up.

02:25:15.000 I want to respond to that, though.

02:25:16.000 I want to just respond briefly.

02:25:19.000 Clearly, I am not Joe Biden, and I am certainly not Donald Trump.

02:25:25.000 And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country.

02:25:29.000 One who believes in what is possible.

02:25:32.000 One who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do, instead of always disparaging the American people.

02:25:41.000 I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a plan.

02:25:48.000 Let's talk about our plans and let's compare the plans.

02:25:50.000 you to talk about it.

02:25:51.000 And let's compare the plans.

02:25:53.000 I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction to pursue their ambitions, their

02:26:03.000 innovation, their ideas, their hard work.

02:26:05.000 I have a plan, $6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development.

02:26:16.000 I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the American dream, Her hair has been getting worse and worse throughout the night, she's so frustrated.

02:26:25.000 I feel like it doesn't change at all.

02:26:26.000 of $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers.

02:26:32.000 That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight, as

02:26:36.000 opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name-calling.

02:26:43.000 Let's turn the page.

02:26:45.000 President Trump, we have to move on.

02:26:46.000 President Trump, we have to move on.

02:26:48.000 President Trump.

02:26:49.000 Let's turn to policy, please.

02:26:50.000 She has a plan to defund the police.

02:26:53.000 She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun.

02:26:57.000 President Trump, we do have to move on to other issues.

02:26:58.000 She has a plan to not allow fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else.

02:27:02.000 Okay.

02:27:03.000 That's what her plan is until just recently.

02:27:04.000 I just need to respond.

02:27:05.000 President Trump.

02:27:06.000 No, the former president has said something twice that I need to respond to.

02:27:09.000 I'm sorry, we're going to move on, Vice President Harris.

02:27:10.000 I just need to respond one time to what he has said multiple times.

02:27:12.000 President Trump, this is now your third time running for president.

02:27:15.000 Mr. President, you have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

02:27:21.000 You have failed to accomplish that.

02:27:22.000 You now say you're going to keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better.

02:27:27.000 Last month, you said, quote, we're working on it.

02:27:30.000 So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan, and can you tell us what it is?

02:27:36.000 Obamacare was lousy health care.

02:27:38.000 Always was.

02:27:39.000 It's not very good today.

02:27:41.000 And what I said that if we come up with something and we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it.

02:27:46.000 But remember this, I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it.

02:27:52.000 They wouldn't vote for it.

02:27:53.000 They were unanimous.

02:27:54.000 They wouldn't vote to change it.

02:27:56.000 If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare.

02:28:00.000 But the Democrats came up.

02:28:02.000 They wouldn't vote for it.

02:28:03.000 I had a choice to make when I was president.

02:28:05.000 Do I save it and make it as good as it can be?

02:28:08.000 Never going to be great.

02:28:10.000 Or do I let it rot?

02:28:12.000 And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away.

02:28:18.000 I decided, and I told my people, the top people, and they're very good people.

02:28:22.000 I have a lot of good people in this, that administration.

02:28:25.000 We read about the bad ones.

02:28:26.000 We had some real bad ones, too, and so do they.

02:28:28.000 They have really bad ones.

02:28:29.000 The difference is they don't get rid of them.

02:28:30.000 But let me just explain.

02:28:32.000 I had a choice to make.

02:28:34.000 Do I save it and make it as good as it can be, or do I let it rot?

02:28:38.000 And I saved it.

02:28:39.000 I did the right thing.

02:28:41.000 But it's still never going to be great and it's too expensive for people.

02:28:46.000 And what we will do is we're looking at different plans.

02:28:49.000 If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population, less money and be better healthcare than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it.

02:28:59.000 But until then, I'd run it as good as it can be run.

02:29:03.000 So, just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan?

02:29:05.000 I have concepts of a plan.

02:29:07.000 I'm not president right now.

02:29:09.000 But if...

02:29:11.000 We come up with something.

02:29:12.000 I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive.

02:29:16.000 And there are concepts and options we have to do that.

02:29:21.000 And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future.

02:29:24.000 Vice President Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run healthcare system.

02:29:31.000 Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option.

02:29:36.000 What is your plan today?

02:29:37.000 Well, first of all, I absolutely support, and over the last four years as vice president, private health care options.

02:29:43.000 But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act.

02:29:46.000 But I'll get to that, Lindsay.

02:29:48.000 I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made.

02:29:52.000 I've made very clear my position on fracking.

02:29:54.000 And then this business about taking everyone's guns away.

02:29:57.000 Tim Walz and I are both gun owners.

02:29:59.000 We're not taking anybody's guns away.

02:30:00.000 So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff.

02:30:04.000 As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand.

02:30:09.000 When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

02:30:16.000 I was a senator at the time when, I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged As being, you don't like him, you said, at the time, because he got caught.

02:30:16.000 60 times.

02:30:37.000 He was an American hero.

02:30:39.000 The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the Senate floor and said, no you don't.

02:30:46.000 No you don't.

02:30:48.000 No you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

02:30:50.000 You have no plan.

02:30:52.000 And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions.

02:30:59.000 I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like?

02:31:03.000 Remember when an insurance company could deny If a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes, and thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the American people.

02:31:26.000 Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices? He never did. We did.

02:31:31.000 And now we have capped the cost of this at $35 a month.

02:31:34.000 Since I've been vice president, we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year.

02:31:40.000 And when I am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that the value I bring to this

02:31:46.000 is that access to health care should be a right, and not just a privilege of those who can afford it.

02:31:54.000 And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it.

02:31:59.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:32:00.000 Fastest prologue in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.

02:32:03.000 I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of- You made a mistake.

02:32:07.000 Number one, John McCain fought Obamacare for 10 years.

02:32:11.000 But it wasn't only him.

02:32:13.000 It was all of the Democrats that kept it going.

02:32:16.000 And you know what?

02:32:18.000 We can do much better than Obamacare.

02:32:20.000 Much less money.

02:32:21.000 But she won't improve private insurance for people.

02:32:25.000 Private medical insurance.

02:32:27.000 That's another thing she doesn't want to get.

02:32:29.000 People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private.

02:32:35.000 She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait Six months for an operation that you need immediately.

02:32:41.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:32:42.000 We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, and that's climate change.

02:32:49.000 President Trump, with regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water.

02:32:54.000 Vice President Harris, you call climate change an existential threat.

02:32:58.000 The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change?

02:33:02.000 And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you.

02:33:04.000 One minute for you each.

02:33:06.000 Well, the former president had said that climate change is a hoax.

02:33:10.000 And what we know is that it is very real.

02:33:12.000 You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or is being jacked up.

02:33:21.000 You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go.

02:33:29.000 We know that we can actually deal with this issue.

02:33:32.000 The young people of America care deeply about this issue.

02:33:35.000 And I am proud that as Vice President over the last four years we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels.

02:33:48.000 We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been Vice President.

02:33:54.000 We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world.

02:34:00.000 Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs.

02:34:03.000 He lost manufacturing jobs.

02:34:04.000 And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fain, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American-made products, American automobiles it includes.

02:34:21.000 Growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump.

02:34:28.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:34:30.000 That didn't happen under Donald Trump.

02:34:31.000 Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month.

02:34:36.000 It's going, they're all leaving.

02:34:38.000 They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases owned by China.

02:34:44.000 They're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people.

02:34:51.000 What they have given to China is unbelievable, but we're not gonna let that.

02:34:55.000 We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Auto Workers and any auto worker, whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place.

02:35:06.000 What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is Horrible.

02:35:12.000 We have nothing because they refuse.

02:35:15.000 You know, Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars.

02:35:20.000 He's afraid to do it between him and his son.

02:35:22.000 They get all this money from Ukraine.

02:35:24.000 They get all this money from all of these different countries.

02:35:27.000 And then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China?

02:35:32.000 Why is he?

02:35:32.000 Why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's wife. Why did he

02:35:37.000 get, why did she pay him three and a half million dollars? This is a crooked

02:35:42.000 administration and they're selling our country down the tubes. President Trump,

02:35:47.000 thank you. Thank you. We'll be right back with closing statements from both

02:35:51.000 An historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia.

02:35:51.000 of our candidates.

02:35:55.000 Oh boy.

02:35:56.000 Alright, the second commercial and then we, uh, we're gonna get those closing statements.

02:36:00.000 But judging by the sentiment that I'm seeing on, on X, it seems like a lot of people believe Kamala Harris is doing better than they predicted.

02:36:07.000 And I'm seeing a lot of sentiment from people saying it's three versus one, the moderators are coming after Trump.

02:36:12.000 I think that's, I think that's a fair assessment.

02:36:13.000 They're not fact-checking Kamala Harris when she lies.

02:36:15.000 No, but they're fact-checking Trump.

02:36:18.000 And we knew that this was going to happen.

02:36:22.000 I want to bring up a tweet that Katie Pavlich put out.

02:36:25.000 She said, the fact that there aren't more questions about inflation is a reflection of how ABC News feels about the plight of Americans under the Biden-Harris administration.

02:36:34.000 I think it's pretty telling.

02:36:36.000 I think that's a very good point.

02:36:37.000 And there haven't been a lot of questions towards Kamala based on this 40-year high inflation that we're seeing.

02:36:45.000 She also evades every question.

02:36:48.000 Every point where they've asked her to account for something, she's avoided answering the question.

02:36:52.000 And they never pursue that, never point that out.

02:36:57.000 Occasionally you could say that Trump does it on occasion as well, but he deals with the issue even if she just avoids.

02:37:05.000 And it has happened at least four or five times in the course of the debate.

02:37:08.000 I wonder why the moderators don't point that out.

02:37:11.000 I mean, she wouldn't answer about the Biden-Harris administration leaving the Trump tariffs in place.

02:37:11.000 It is interesting.

02:37:16.000 She's avoided a number of things.

02:37:18.000 And I think part of it is, again, she does not want to be tied to Joe Biden.

02:37:22.000 She just told us, I am not Joe Biden.

02:37:25.000 And then minutes later said, well, we did this, meaning me and this guy named Joe who put me in the White House.

02:37:31.000 She's in this bizarre position where she's claiming to be a new generation while also trying to take accolades from an administration that she clearly has no respect for.

02:37:41.000 Not that she should, but her name is on the bill.

02:37:44.000 It's one of the ways in which she's evaded a question.

02:37:46.000 They asked her about how she's changing substantially all of the positions she announced are radically different and she has no answer.

02:37:53.000 Here's a great tweet from Sean Maguire.

02:37:55.000 He says, ABC has let Harris get away with the Charlottesville hoax, bloodbath hoax, police officers dying on J6 hoax, but they fact-checked Trump on animals in Ohio when he was correct.

02:38:04.000 Yeah, well said.

02:38:06.000 I don't know that he's completely correct on the eating the dogs thing.

02:38:09.000 I'll stress this.

02:38:10.000 We're getting a lot of anecdotes from locals, but no official reporting, which is probably the problem when the media doesn't want to cover the story.

02:38:20.000 But I'll stress, I think we have pretty much strong evidence of the migrants taking local migratory birds.

02:38:27.000 Like geese.

02:38:27.000 Why did it go with dogs?

02:38:30.000 Like I said, geese is the big story.

02:38:32.000 Or cats is the big story.

02:38:32.000 Or cats.

02:38:34.000 That woman's American.

02:38:36.000 That video, the one with the cat.

02:38:37.000 But if Trump said, these migrants are going to parks and hunting ducks in front of children, that's true.

02:38:44.000 Yes.

02:38:44.000 Well, here's an interesting point about that because I know some people don't like, you know, how Trump talks, but I actually think a lot of people gravitate towards him because I hear people say all the time, and Dan, you might hear this as well, why can't politicians just talk like regular people?

02:38:59.000 Why do they have to talk in platitudes?

02:39:01.000 So when you look at some of the things that he said tonight, they were, in my opinion, hilarious, like run, spot, run, gonna send her a MAGA hat.

02:39:10.000 Nobody attends your rallies anyway.

02:39:12.000 People are eating dogs.

02:39:13.000 I mean, people laugh, but they also find this guy relatable because he doesn't talk like a politician, and that's one of the things about Trump that makes people relate to him, even though you wouldn't think so because the guy's a billionaire from New York.

02:39:26.000 Like, I live in what, I represent one of the most rural districts in the country, out in Arizona's 2nd Congressional District.

02:39:32.000 These folks are patriotic, they're hardworking, and you bring a billionaire down from New York and they love him, because they relate to him despite their differences.

02:39:42.000 Well, and he only had to mention his upbringing once and walked away from it, right?

02:39:46.000 How many times have we heard her mom and middle class, like, whereas he just said, you know, I was given some money and I built an empire.

02:39:53.000 I'm not going to go on and on about it.

02:39:54.000 I mean, he knows that his success speaks for itself where she has to convince you that she is someone from humble origin who is really connected to you.

02:40:03.000 It's a big contrast right on the stage.

02:40:05.000 Tim, did you ever do any research on whether or not she actually worked at McDonald's?

02:40:10.000 Well, I mean, I read a few news stories, and they claim that she- she did not.

02:40:13.000 Okay, so- So, I mean, she claims she did, and the reporting was that they reached out to the- the- the Manasseh Corporation, I guess they issued a statement saying they had no record of her ever working there.

02:40:22.000 She doesn't seem like the kind of person who does.

02:40:23.000 Unless you think she did, I don't know.

02:40:26.000 Yeah, I'm just interested because when she talks about, you know, growing up in, you know, impoverished conditions and then you see her house growing up, it's just like her whole persona, this whole life they're trying to create is just a complete lie.

02:40:40.000 Looks like we are coming back to the debate here.

02:40:44.000 Here again, David Muir and Lindsay Davis.

02:40:48.000 Welcome back tonight.

02:40:49.000 The time has come for closing statements and Vice President Harris, we begin with you.

02:40:54.000 So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our country.

02:41:00.000 One that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past, and an attempt to take us backward.

02:41:08.000 But we're not going back.

02:41:10.000 And I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

02:41:16.000 And we can chart a new way forward.

02:41:20.000 And a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create An opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hard-working folks a break and bringing down the cost of living.

02:41:48.000 I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.

02:42:06.000 I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do.

02:42:17.000 I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor.

02:42:20.000 I was a DA, I was an Attorney General, a United States Senator, and now Vice President.

02:42:24.000 I've only had one client.

02:42:26.000 The people.

02:42:27.000 And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat?

02:42:34.000 The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?

02:42:38.000 And that's the kind of president we need right now.

02:42:41.000 Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.

02:42:46.000 I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.

02:42:59.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:43:01.000 President Trump?

02:43:04.000 So she just started by saying she's gonna do this, she's gonna do that, she's gonna do all these wonderful things.

02:43:09.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:43:11.000 She's been there for three and a half years.

02:43:14.000 They've had three and a half years to fix the border.

02:43:17.000 They've had three and a half years to...

02:43:19.000 Create jobs and all the things we talked about.

02:43:22.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:43:24.000 She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in.

02:43:38.000 You believe in things like we're not going to frack.

02:43:41.000 We're not going to take fossil fuel.

02:43:42.000 We're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not.

02:43:48.000 Germany tried that.

02:43:49.000 And within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants.

02:43:54.000 We're not ready for it.

02:43:55.000 We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.

02:44:00.000 But I just ask one simple question.

02:44:03.000 Why didn't she do it?

02:44:05.000 We're a failing nation.

02:44:07.000 We're a nation that's in serious decline.

02:44:10.000 We're being laughed at all over the world.

02:44:12.000 All over the world they laugh.

02:44:13.000 I know the leaders very well.

02:44:14.000 They're coming to see me.

02:44:16.000 They call me.

02:44:17.000 We're laughed at all over the world.

02:44:19.000 They don't understand what happened to us as a nation.

02:44:22.000 We're not a leader.

02:44:23.000 We don't have any idea what's going on.

02:44:26.000 We have wars going on in the Middle East.

02:44:28.000 We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.

02:44:32.000 We're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.

02:44:39.000 I rebuilt our entire military.

02:44:42.000 She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.

02:44:46.000 She gave it to Afghanistan.

02:44:48.000 What these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of People that come into our country, many of them are criminals, and they're destroying our country.

02:44:58.000 the worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.

02:45:04.000 President Trump, thank you. And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in

02:45:09.000 Philadelphia at the National Constitution. That was an absolutely brutal closing statement.

02:45:14.000 I think Trump won the debate in the closing statement.

02:45:17.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:45:18.000 Absolutely.

02:45:19.000 It's pretty damn good.

02:45:20.000 I mean, she just offered platitudes.

02:45:22.000 Vision, and opportunity economy, and I'm gonna work hard for this, that, and the other, but there's no significance.

02:45:30.000 He can really nail the Biden administration on all of the specific failures and things that American people feel day-to-day.

02:45:36.000 The economy, crime, It's not a comparison between the two of them.

02:45:41.000 They're completely different.

02:45:42.000 It was exactly 40 years ago when Ronald Reagan, no, I guess it's 44, when he said the famous words, are you better off now than you were four years ago?

02:45:52.000 Something that's rung through history.

02:45:55.000 And I think Trump just did the same thing.

02:45:57.000 Why haven't they done it?

02:45:59.000 There's no answer.

02:46:00.000 There's no answer to that.

02:46:02.000 And I think the American people know that Kamala Harris is voting for more of the same, and that is a huge factor in whether or not this election will turn out different.

02:46:09.000 But with all that being said, we can sit here and we can clap and cheer for Trump, and we can laugh at him saying, you know, I'm talking now, or whatever that line was that was absolutely hilarious.

02:46:17.000 The question is, are the Republicans prepared to win on the procedural grounds, that is, ballot harvesting, and whatever it is the Democrat shadow campaign may be, because we can sit here and we can make arguments all day and night, But if Republicans don't have mail-in voting and ballot harvesting down, the real issue for the election is, Democrats know this, they need more pieces of paper with names on them than the Republicans are going to get.

02:46:41.000 And if the Republicans just keep thinking, I'm going to argue to the American people and then we'll win, then they'll lose.

02:46:47.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

02:46:48.000 You joined us during closing statements.

02:46:49.000 I'm Eric Burleson, the congressman from Southwest Missouri.

02:46:54.000 What's your take on the debate?

02:46:55.000 Do you think that the voters are motivated to turn out the way they need to?

02:46:59.000 Sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied.

02:47:01.000 No, I mean, I think that we all, I watch it and I think that Trump won.

02:47:07.000 I've said many times over that I think that this debate, we're probably going to be disappointed because it's going to be a debate like most of them where every side watches, each side watches it and says, Our side won.

02:47:23.000 And so I think that Kamala's side is probably right now on MSNBC.

02:47:28.000 They're saying that they that she slammed it.

02:47:32.000 They're popping champagne.

02:47:33.000 That's right.

02:47:34.000 But I think that fundamentally, this is a debate about the direction of the United States.

02:47:42.000 And I think that the fact that You know, what's not seen in this debate is more important, and that is that people are seeing folks like the Cheneys,

02:47:57.000 The Uniparty all side behind Kamala.

02:48:01.000 And then you're seeing folks like Robert Kennedy Jr.

02:48:06.000 and others and Musk side behind Trump.

02:48:10.000 And I think that this is a very pivotal moment in American history where we have, I think, a refreshing moment in American history where we see finally Some people that are willing to break from all the tyranny that is the military industrial complex, you name it.

02:48:32.000 And I and I think that that's the that's I mean, sadly, that I don't feel that that was expressed in the debate tonight.

02:48:39.000 I actually, I think we should be fairly optimistic and hopeful.

02:48:42.000 I mean, the reality is, everything you just said, some of the most optimistic stuff I've heard in a long time, despite the challenges we face, we face these challenges only because we have a real opportunity to do away with these really awful things that have existed in our past.

02:48:57.000 Uh, easy example is the military-industrial complex waning.

02:49:01.000 It looks like this challenge is actually because we're winning.

02:49:04.000 Yeah, and I think honestly, Tim, a lot of that is testament to shows like yourself.

02:49:11.000 You know, back in the day, you could watch a couple different networks, and they all kind of gaslit you in their own way, and they all had corporate sponsors that kind of controlled, to a certain degree, the narrative they were allowed to put out.

02:49:22.000 But now, as the media has expanded, and there's so many shows like You know, yourself, you know, War Room and others, people are going elsewhere for their news, and I think it's been great.

02:49:34.000 I think it's really opened things up, and I think it's brought together a lot of different coalitions and factions that often didn't play well together or unite, who are tired of this system.

02:49:45.000 They're tired of the federal government gaslighting them all the time, never doing anything for them, and it's creating this momentum and this new wave Of people that just want to put our citizens first.

02:49:58.000 They're tired of the forever wars.

02:50:00.000 They're tired of the wide-open borders.

02:50:02.000 They're tired of the inflation.

02:50:03.000 They're tired of the censorship.

02:50:05.000 And so it's, I think, to Eric's point and your point, Tim, it's really cool to see this movement of, you know, people getting together right now.

02:50:13.000 Yeah, I think we'll just, you know, with the debate being over, we'll wind down with some final thoughts, if you want to throw out your final thoughts on the matter.

02:50:18.000 Yeah.

02:50:18.000 I think you guys are both getting it.

02:50:21.000 Eric and Eli both said something, and Tim, you did too.

02:50:24.000 I think when you talk about the people who are interested in Trump, who is gathering around him, that's the change agency, right?

02:50:33.000 He's the change agent.

02:50:35.000 He's the guy who's different.

02:50:36.000 He's unorthodox.

02:50:37.000 And when she talks about trying to lay out a vision, she can talk in lofty language.

02:50:43.000 But he asked a question that's devastating to that.

02:50:46.000 Why haven't you done it?

02:50:47.000 They're doing the same old thing.

02:50:49.000 They are that orthodox, corporate-oriented, aligned, never, you know, a little sort of just continual deterioration and dissent of the country.

02:51:01.000 And are people fed up enough with that to make the change, to go back and get Trump to do what he began to do before the COVID crisis hit?

02:51:11.000 And I think It gives a great opportunity, and I think that's what freedom's all about.

02:51:15.000 The opportunity to choose between those two visions.

02:51:18.000 He gives a choice, and so I'm eager to see what people decide to do.

02:51:23.000 I mean, I hope this debate is a wake-up call for independent voters, because that's who a lot of this comes down to.

02:51:31.000 I mean, it's, you know, they estimate basically 5% of the population who truly, when they say, I don't know who I'm voting for, mean it.

02:51:37.000 You know, they'll round up to 10, but Another 5% kind of, no, they're just sort of playing coy, I would say.

02:51:43.000 And so much of it does come down to this question of, are you happy right now?

02:51:49.000 Is this the life you want to live?

02:51:51.000 Is this the direction you want the country to go?

02:51:54.000 Is this what you want to give to your children and to your grandchildren?

02:51:58.000 I just think, you know, obviously I'm more conservative and I have more conservative values, but I just don't think that Kamala Harris was able to sell, I am a new fresh breath of air for the country and I will change the direction of this ship.

02:52:14.000 I think people know Donald Trump is You know, maybe not everyone's favorite personality, but he sets out to accomplish things and can point to an actual record.

02:52:24.000 People want that, and it's just not something the Biden-Harris campaign can deliver.

02:52:30.000 Well, I imagine that in the next few days, all of the pollsters will give Kamala Harris a bump.

02:52:36.000 They're gonna pull the selects, they want to pull from this and say this is where she really shined, and it will be a justification for why they can claim she's doing better, whether she actually is or not.

02:52:46.000 But I suppose we'll start to wind things down.

02:52:48.000 So I want to thank all of you gentlemen for joining me, as well as all the members of Congress who joined to hang out.

02:52:55.000 Shout out to Raymond G. Stanley, Jr., who was on for a brief moment.

02:52:57.000 Hannah, Claire, thanks for being here.

02:52:59.000 And of course, the entire crew, Kellan, Serge, Carter, everybody who helped put this together.

02:53:03.000 Chuck, who's sitting back there.

02:53:04.000 This has been a lot of fun.

02:53:06.000 This has been a moment in history.

02:53:08.000 And now we've got, what is it, 50, after today, 55 days?

02:53:11.000 It's going to be 55 days until we see.

02:53:14.000 It's a question not just about do the American people want to see a change from the current administration to Donald Trump, but also if the strategy, the lawfare, everything that's been in play up to this moment will be enough to either stop or support Donald Trump.

02:53:31.000 So that being said, everybody, make sure you smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member by going to TimCast.com, click join us, we could use your support, and you'll get access to our Discord server where we will be back tomorrow with our Members Only Uncensored show at 10 p.m.

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