Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump WON Libertarian Convention, Leftist Nominee Sparks EXODUS To GOP w-Gavin Wax | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:24.000 I thought that was actually really interesting.

00:00:25.000 Kash is absolutely fantastic.

00:00:27.000 And we were supposed to get a half an hour with the president, but unfortunately, he was running behind.

00:00:34.000 He's a very busy man, and we respect that they gave us any time at all.

00:00:38.000 It was absolutely tremendous.

00:00:39.000 Now, this interview we did happened just before Donald Trump spoke to the Libertarian National Convention.

00:00:46.000 Where the media says that he was booed and the Trump supporters say he was cheered.

00:00:49.000 Well, the truth is it was both.

00:00:51.000 And the Trump campaign knew exactly what was going to happen because they were all talking about it beforehand.

00:00:56.000 But he got booed quite a bit.

00:00:57.000 He got cheered in some circumstances.

00:00:59.000 And in the end, it is Donald Trump who has ended up winning.

00:01:04.000 The Libertarian National Convention.

00:01:07.000 Not the nomination.

00:01:08.000 No, that went to Chase Oliver, who is considered to be a leftist, Antifa-supporting, open borders candidate.

00:01:15.000 But many of the most prominent libertarians, high-profile individuals, are now all basically saying Trump 2024 because they're not going to vote for Well, a far-left Antifa-supporting Open Borders candidate.

00:01:28.000 So, in the end, while Donald Trump didn't even file the paperwork to get the nomination for the Libertarian Party, it's looking like there's going to be a bunch of defectors from the Libertarian Party, and some speculation, we'll see, that the LP will get the lowest turnout it's gotten in recent history.

00:01:45.000 You know, they had Gary Johnson eight years ago, and they got three-point-some-odd percent of the vote total, which is their best ever.

00:01:52.000 Now, Trump said you can you can get 3% and be losers or vote for him.

00:01:57.000 It looks like they're going to be voting for him.

00:01:58.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:59.000 Plus, Robert De Niro outside the Trump trial getting heckled and accidentally agreeing with the heckler who said that these J6 cops lied under oath and then storming off while screaming at people. 0.90

00:02:09.000 And there's a new report out from Politico.

00:02:11.000 Democrats are beyond panic mode.

00:02:13.000 They are freaking out, Politico says, because they don't think Joe Biden can win at this point.

00:02:19.000 He's not even on the ballot in Ohio, so the DNC is going to hold a virtual convention.

00:02:24.000 That's right, a digital convention to nominate Joe Biden and then have their, I don't know, Potemkin convention later on.

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00:03:46.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Gavin Wax!

00:03:50.000 It's great to be back.

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00:03:56.000 Who are you?

00:03:56.000 What do you do?

00:03:57.000 Gavin Wax, president of the New York Young Republican Club, author of The Emerging Populist Majority.

00:04:01.000 I have a column at Town Hall, Newsmax, and The Daily Caller, and it's great to be here.

00:04:06.000 Right on.

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00:04:07.000 Hello, everybody.

00:04:08.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:04:09.000 I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

00:04:12.000 I am an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:04:14.000 How you doing, Hannah-Claire?

00:04:15.000 I'm good.

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00:04:25.000 Hello, Hannah-Claire.

00:04:26.000 Ready when you are, Tim.

00:04:27.000 All right, we'll jump to this story here from the post-millennial. 0.51

00:04:31.000 Libertarians select gay, Antifa-loving, Trump-hating, vaccine-mandate-supporting, open-borders enthusiast as their presidential candidate. 0.87

00:04:39.000 Oliver, who describes himself as armed and gay, has a history of taking radically left-wing positions. 0.95

00:04:44.000 And now, this is the official nominee.

00:04:47.000 But as most of you know, Donald Trump spoke to the Libertarian Convention and called on them to nominate him.

00:04:52.000 Despite the fact that he didn't even file the paperwork to get nominated, I don't think they ever had any real intention of doing so.

00:04:58.000 I wonder what their real goal was with appearing there, I guess.

00:05:03.000 But in the end, let me show you the results.

00:05:07.000 Many people are saying that Donald Trump is the effective winner.

00:05:11.000 With the nomination of Chase Oliver, who is pro-Antifa, who is far-leftist, they call him a communist, they say he's for open borders, they call him a left communist, or I'm sorry, a left libertarian, which basically is the libertarian communist, whatever that means, or what is it, libertarian socialist, meaning he agrees with all these cultural issues, ultimately wants these things, But approach it from a no-government perspective.

00:05:40.000 The corporations can stomp all over you, but not the government.

00:05:43.000 Not the government.

00:05:44.000 First, we're going to jump over to who do we got here?

00:05:46.000 We got Dave Smith, who says, ironically, Chase winning is the best outcome for Trump this weekend, much better than a standing ovation at his speech.

00:05:56.000 We then have Austin Peterson, who posted a picture of Lois Griffin from Family Guy staring at a pill bottle, which reads Trump 2024 and Ron Paul libertarians over Lois Griffin.

00:06:07.000 It's a great meme.

00:06:09.000 And then we have, uh, what do we have here?

00:06:10.000 Austin Peterson again saying, I'm a Vivek Ramaswamy Republican.

00:06:15.000 And then, of course, Clint Russell.

00:06:17.000 He's been on the show several times and he ran for the vice presidential slot.

00:06:20.000 That's how they do it for the Libertarians.

00:06:21.000 He said, I just want to make this very clear.

00:06:24.000 Chase Oliver does not represent most Libertarians and very few of us will be supporting him come November.

00:06:29.000 I, for one, will not be. 0.97

00:06:31.000 You know, I tweeted after this, our secret plan to get Clint to vote for Trump is working perfectly, and he said something to the effect of, like, ah, dammit, you know. 0.98

00:06:42.000 So here we go. 0.92

00:06:43.000 And we have this. 0.98

00:06:45.000 Top libertarian endorses Trump after party nominates, quote, gay race communist for president. 0.79

00:06:52.000 He said, in this tweet, So I'll just show you a quick little bit about this guy.

00:06:55.000 supporter socialists. 0.95

00:06:56.000 Tonight the Libertarian Party nominated a gay race communist for president. 0.93

00:07:01.000 With those choices, I'm standing with Donald Trump. 0.96

00:07:10.000 Supporting Antifa New Hampshire.

00:07:13.000 He's got, uh, what is this one?

00:07:14.000 Is this is, uh, supporting Antifa backstop cop city.

00:07:18.000 Calling himself Antifa.

00:07:20.000 Saying, uh, you don't have to be pro-communist to be Antifa, which he apparently aligns with.

00:07:25.000 He's got, uh, ending cash bail.

00:07:28.000 You don't have to be pro-communist, but you're just helping them.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, he supports drag queens' story hours for kids, and children going to drag events.

00:07:36.000 He supports transgender medical treatments for children, not surgery though, but just the drugs.

00:07:43.000 He's pro-vaccine mandate. 0.80

00:07:45.000 He is pro-open borders.

00:07:49.000 Here's a post where he's saying he's for open borders.

00:07:51.000 So this is basically, long story short, He's basically the antithesis of the Ron Paul Libertarians and the Mises Caucus.

00:07:59.000 So basically, the majority of the Libertarian Party, which has controlling voting powers, is probably going to vote.

00:08:07.000 For Donald Trump, and this could actually siphon votes away from Joe Biden, showing, I mean, this is your alternative.

00:08:14.000 If you're a progressive, you're not voting for Joe Biden.

00:08:17.000 This guy is also very anti-war, and I can respect a lot of his positions, but he's very much said he will end the genocide in Gaza, in Palestine.

00:08:26.000 So you're likely going to get many progressives voting for him and not Joe Biden, helping Donald Trump, and then Mises caucus, Ron Paul libertarians defecting and voting for Donald Trump.

00:08:37.000 If I understand correctly, he was pro-ACA as well.

00:08:39.000 Pro-Obamacare?

00:08:40.000 Yeah, Obamacare, yeah.

00:08:42.000 So currently, a lot of his positions don't align with where he was like a year or two ago, and so everyone's just calling him a flip-flopper.

00:08:47.000 Because I think he claims to oppose it now.

00:08:50.000 But I want to give you guys this.

00:08:51.000 This one's important.

00:08:53.000 Chase Oliver tweeted, Someone said, give me convenience or give me death.

00:08:58.000 He says, give me autonomy and property rights, you mean.

00:09:00.000 A business can decide to require workers to be vaccinated or limit customers to those with a vaccine.

00:09:05.000 But no, government shouldn't make those decisions.

00:09:09.000 This will hurt already struggling small businesses. 0.98

00:09:12.000 Central planning sucks. 0.86

00:09:13.000 Okay, saying that businesses can mandate vaccines is a pro-vaccine mandate position. 0.93

00:09:20.000 What we're getting from a lot of these libertarian types, I'm not sure if Hannah Cox is a, she says he's a rabid capitalist, but she says, this is not a pro-vaccine mandate stance.

00:09:29.000 He explicitly says he's against government mandates.

00:09:32.000 His position is that a business can determine who they want on their property.

00:09:35.000 Whether that be a vaccine requirement or other criteria is a pro-property rights and pro-capitalism stance.

00:09:41.000 It's actually the correct position.

00:09:42.000 Except his positions are also the unabated monopolistic capitalist system which would allow corporations, and I think this is actually part of his platform, a single monopoly would be unabated by the government.

00:09:56.000 I'm pretty sure that's his position.

00:09:58.000 And that would mean That if there's one or let's say there's four insurance companies and the insurance companies all decide anyone who's insured by them has to have mandates then every business has to have mandates and then you the workers and everyone in society has to have mandates and the important thing to understand is the vaccine mandates were not government.

00:10:18.000 When the lockdowns and the mandates happened, it was private businesses deciding it's what they wanted.

00:10:24.000 And that is, my friends, the Libertarian Party's pro-vaccine mandate candidate.

00:10:28.000 So, anyway, rant over.

00:10:30.000 But now you understand who this guy is, and why this is going to be a big boost for Donald Trump, and why he has effectively won the Libertarian Party nomination.

00:10:37.000 I mean, the best part of the Trump speech at the Libertarian Convention to me was when he said, Libertarians, at their own convention, Libertarians, nominate me for president or give me your votes.

00:10:47.000 And it's like the left wing part of that party was like, absolutely, we will give you our votes.

00:10:51.000 I mean, it is surprising to me.

00:10:53.000 And again, I'm more exposed to the Mises Caucus and everything like that, that they would elect this person.

00:10:58.000 I saw someone saying like, oh, well, you know, our voting process took forever.

00:11:02.000 He was elected really late at night.

00:11:03.000 Some delegates had to go.

00:11:05.000 But it really seems like Donald Trump came out on top and got what he wanted here.

00:11:09.000 I mean, Phil was standing next to me.

00:11:11.000 I couldn't have laughed harder when Trump suddenly said, Libertarians nominate me for president.

00:11:16.000 It seems like they are helping him in their campaign for victory, even if they didn't actually nominate him.

00:11:21.000 Well, it was a brilliant move because most libertarians are not actually card-carrying members of the Libertarian Party.

00:11:26.000 I mean, they've had a purge over the years of right-leaning, paleo-libertarian, Ron Paul types.

00:11:31.000 They've self-purged them.

00:11:33.000 So really, when President Trump is speaking at their convention, he's addressing, you know, millions of other libertarian-minded people who may not come out and vote.

00:11:40.000 Certainly, if they do come out and vote, maybe they're not traditional Republican or conservative or Democrat voters.

00:11:44.000 So he's winning over far more people than are actually Libertarian Party members.

00:11:50.000 I can understand this Chase guy.

00:11:51.000 He's going to give the argument, oh, well, you know, a monopoly wouldn't exist without, you know, government involvement.

00:11:55.000 He's going to give these extremely, you know, nuanced arguments and the philosophy of it and everything being equal in this kind of equilibrium world that doesn't actually exist.

00:12:03.000 But that's the problem with these libertarians.

00:12:05.000 They don't live in reality.

00:12:06.000 So they're going to make these arguments, these lofty arguments about government involvement, the role of the state, et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:11.000 But they're not actually looking at the reality on the ground.

00:12:13.000 They're not actually looking at real people's problems, what's actually happening.

00:12:16.000 Chase is hung up on, like, libertarian ideology, right?

00:12:20.000 Like, because the fundamental point that he's making is it's fine if it's not the government, because the government has the monopoly on violence.

00:12:28.000 That's Libertarianism 101.

00:12:31.000 When Libertarianism 101, like, this is probably a similar argument to what Dave Smith would make, right?

00:12:38.000 And I agree with Dave Smith on most things, but I don't think that I don't think that America is in a libertarian mood nowadays.

00:12:49.000 So maybe that might be his position but I don't know that he should be focusing on it.

00:12:53.000 I do think that the libertarians that are going to vote for Donald Trump, or that would

00:13:04.000 have voted for Dave Smith.

00:13:06.000 They would have stayed had they selected a better candidate.

00:13:10.000 So the fact that people are going to leave the Libertarian Party is because of who the Libertarians selected.

00:13:16.000 If Dave Smith had decided to run, there still would probably have been a majority of the left-leaning Libertarians that would have voted for him, though there are some that would have said that he's beyond the pale.

00:13:26.000 But still, the idea that it's a big thing for the Libertarians, they're just going to vote for Trump.

00:13:34.000 The right-leaning ones are all going to vote for Trump, so it does end up with Trump being the guy that makes out.

00:13:38.000 Maybe that was a secret plan all along.

00:13:40.000 I don't think there was any insight.

00:13:42.000 I don't think it was a secret plan.

00:13:43.000 I'm kidding.

00:13:44.000 I'm saying that the idea that, look, if Dave Smith One, he'd pull votes from Trump.

00:13:51.000 He'd pull a lot of the more right-leaning, sound borders, we love America people, but who want to see an alternative to the two-party system, who want to see wars ended and don't believe Trump is the guy.

00:14:03.000 A lot of these libertarians, it's actually really fascinating me.

00:14:06.000 When I'm talking to these guys at the convention, they're like, you really trust Donald Trump will do the things he says?

00:14:10.000 And I was like, yes.

00:14:12.000 He's a transactional politician.

00:14:12.000 He's transactional.

00:14:14.000 And they don't get that.

00:14:15.000 It's like old school politicking.

00:14:16.000 I will give you something in exchange for your vote.

00:14:18.000 And people are like aghast at it.

00:14:20.000 It's like, oh, I'll throw a libertarian on the cabinet.

00:14:22.000 And they're like, oh, I can't believe he'll say that.

00:14:24.000 That's so, you know, crass.

00:14:25.000 Yeah, Trump said he'd put a libertarian in the cabinet.

00:14:29.000 He said he's going to commute Ross Olbrecht's sentence.

00:14:31.000 And I get these people saying, you really think he'll commute Ross Olbrecht's sentence?

00:14:34.000 And I was like, what's his cost?

00:14:36.000 No one cares.

00:14:37.000 There's no cost.

00:14:38.000 There's zero cost.

00:14:39.000 And the thing is, like, the big thing that is on the American people's mind right now is the economy.

00:14:46.000 And consequently, because of that, immigration is a big contributor to the reasons that they think of the economy.

00:14:52.000 With Chase's position as Open Borders, he's not making any friends at all.

00:14:56.000 So, I mean, I don't see... And also, there's another thing, the LGBT, the pro-LGBT stance, that's really alienating a lot of people.

00:15:04.000 There are a lot of women that look at the LGBT stuff and they say, this is totally different than I thought because of all the women being exclu... like the women exclusive... 0.99

00:15:15.000 Places that are no longer exclusively women and I think that that's the one of the biggest things that isn't really being Talked about a lot I think there's a lot of people that that feel it but nobody's really talking about it because they're afraid they're gonna offend someone So I I think that it's easy to say the economy and that is probably it's probably some people are using that as as in place of the border, but it's hard to talk about the

00:15:41.000 LGBT stuff and say you're against trans women being in women's spaces, you know?

00:15:47.000 Gallup has, for the single most important issue among voters in their latest polling, 27% say immigration.

00:15:57.000 The economy in general nets only 17%.

00:16:00.000 Economic problems are 36% and non-economic problems are 74%.

00:16:08.000 I don't think those numbers matter.

00:16:09.000 Let's talk about the single most important issue.

00:16:12.000 The economy in general?

00:16:14.000 It ain't it. 1.00

00:16:15.000 And that's surprising because normally we say it's the economy, stupid. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Immigration, 27%, and government poor leadership, 18%. 0.99

00:16:24.000 But let's take a look at that beautiful immigration number.

00:16:27.000 People are wondering why it is there are illegal immigrants in tents under their bridges in their cities.

00:16:34.000 We drove into D.C.

00:16:36.000 for this.

00:16:37.000 It's remarkable what you're seeing.

00:16:39.000 They're wondering why this stuff is happening, why there is this mass influx of people, why private jets are being chartered, and the Libertarian Party says, got an idea?

00:16:48.000 Let's pick the open borders guy.

00:16:50.000 And now he claims he's not for open borders, but then they basically called him out on stage.

00:16:55.000 He says he's for an Ellis Island-style approach, where people can walk up to a port of entry and say, I'm here for this, and they can rubber stamp him and send him on their way.

00:17:05.000 We had that Ellis Island style approach when we didn't have a welfare state, which is usually the sensible libertarian argument against open borders to say, oh, I would want that, but we need to get rid of welfare and the big government and all this other stuff first.

00:17:16.000 He's not even saying that.

00:17:17.000 He's just saying, open the borders, keeping everything as is.

00:17:19.000 It just goes to show it's not a serious political or electoral position.

00:17:23.000 It's just pandering to this sort of, you know, who can be more, you know, philosophically sound in their positions on libertarianism rather than actually provide a platform for like For people that have libertarian-minded goals and are actually looking to effectuate it in some capacity, which he wouldn't be doing.

00:17:40.000 President Trump offered a transactional approach that he would advance some issues that libertarians would hold dear, and some of them are turning away from it.

00:17:47.000 Some of them will embrace it, hopefully.

00:17:49.000 I think the Mises caucus, to whatever extent they can, should just become a caucus in the Republican Party at this point.

00:17:54.000 I mean, the Liberty Caucus with Ran and Ron, I mean, those guys are all Mises guys, you know, through and through. 1.00

00:17:54.000 They were! 1.00

00:18:00.000 Thomas Massey.

00:18:01.000 Add this whole voting bloc and all of its supporters to those ranks and then try and influence the GOP with more bolstering of the Liberty Caucus.

00:18:09.000 They've had tons of success on that at the local level.

00:18:10.000 They've elected a lot of these, you know, Ron Paul-style Liberty candidates across the country.

00:18:15.000 I mean, I remember I was a Ron Paul guy, you know, going back to 2014, and I know a lot of people that grew up in that movement.

00:18:20.000 They've moved away from the LP and the Lahlbergs and the left-leaning Libertarians.

00:18:25.000 That's really what they are.

00:18:26.000 They've become a joke and, you know, they act like because they have their political party that it makes them serious political operators, that they're thinking electorally, they're thinking strategically.

00:18:33.000 They're actually the worst of them all.

00:18:35.000 No, they do not.

00:18:36.000 They don't act like that or think that at all.

00:18:38.000 They really don't.

00:18:40.000 The left-leaning ones, they're there to throw a wrench in the works of government.

00:18:48.000 I remember some of them always took themselves seriously.

00:18:51.000 There's certainly a faction there that takes themselves a little seriously.

00:18:53.000 Not the ones that are getting naked on stage.

00:18:54.000 Well, those guys are another story.

00:18:56.000 Or the famous moment in 2016 where the guy said no to having a driver's license.

00:19:03.000 The thing is, there's a thing about libertarians that they always engage in purity contests.

00:19:10.000 And it boils down to who is the most anarchist anarchist at the end of the day.

00:19:16.000 And you can't make You can't work in Washington and be working against Washington.

00:19:24.000 It's really, really, really hard to get this through to people that the way that you get any kind of legislation, even legislation that abolishes things, you still have to work with people.

00:19:36.000 If you want to cut funding, you have to find people to work with.

00:19:39.000 So just to be like, oh, well, we're going to be anti-government and anti-Washington, as much as I love the idea, like, the only option is burn it down.

00:19:49.000 The only option is to behave in a way that makes you unfit for government.

00:19:53.000 Because if you're fit for government and you're working to try to do things with government, then you're just a Cato libertarian and they call you a Republican.

00:20:00.000 Yeah, it seems like the Libertarian Party had to decide basically on, like, what its objectives were, and the party itself is always divided, which I find fascinating, right?

00:20:07.000 Like, the open borders issues for Libertarian predates Trump, it's been around for a long time, but with this particular election cycle, they had this moment where they could say, are we gonna try and get some wins, a foot in the door, and try to really steer and influence conservative policy, or just generally policy in America, or Do we believe that we are opposed to the Republican candidate so fundamentally that we don't want to have any kind of allegiance with it?

00:20:34.000 And it seems like they are electing to distance themselves from Trump and therefore further divide the party, which seems like it would impede progress for their aims in the future.

00:20:42.000 Well, let them let them all vote Trump.

00:20:45.000 I'm satisfied with it.

00:20:46.000 But let's jump to this this breaking news we've got from this morning.

00:20:49.000 So Robert De Niro shows up in New York for a press conference.

00:20:55.000 See, the Biden campaign wanted to make sure everyone realized that this trial in New York has nothing to do with him at all.

00:21:02.000 So he held a press conference outside of a local criminal trial, which has nothing to do with him at all.

00:21:08.000 Sure.

00:21:09.000 So, uh, this actually got really, really fascinating as, uh, Robert De Niro got tricked, I guess, into saying the J6 cops lied under oath.

00:21:17.000 Uh, it's kind of annoying because a car alarm is going off.

00:21:20.000 You've been warned, but I'm going to play the clip for you now.

00:21:22.000 These guys are the true heroes.

00:21:26.000 They stood and put their lives on the line for these low lives, for Trump.

00:21:33.000 They lied under oath.

00:21:35.000 They lied under oath.

00:21:37.000 Who lied under oath?

00:21:38.000 What are you telling me? 0.96

00:21:40.000 Those two traitors behind me. 0.90

00:21:41.000 Excuse me? 0.99

00:21:42.000 Those two traitors behind you. 0.84

00:21:44.000 They lied under oath? 0.93

00:21:45.000 That's right.

00:21:48.000 What do you say? 0.97

00:21:48.000 They're traitors. 0.97

00:21:51.000 They're traitors? 0.89

00:21:52.000 I don't even know how to deal with you.

00:21:53.000 I love right away when he just agrees with the guy.

00:21:57.000 He says they lied under oath and he goes, they lied under oath.

00:21:59.000 Wait, wait, wait, what?

00:22:00.000 They lied under oath.

00:22:02.000 They lied under oath.

00:22:04.000 Like he accepts it right away and then realizes, wait, maybe he's talking about the cops that are with me for this Biden press conference.

00:22:11.000 So Trump, of course, had his surrogates who were there.

00:22:14.000 But this is a local criminal affair.

00:22:17.000 Why?

00:22:17.000 Why is Biden's campaign holding a press conference outside of a criminal, a local criminal trial?

00:22:21.000 Internal polling.

00:22:22.000 They're getting desperate.

00:22:23.000 They send in the big guns.

00:22:24.000 I guess De Niro counts as the big guns.

00:22:26.000 I mean.

00:22:26.000 But Gavin, this is not a political trial.

00:22:28.000 Of course not, but when you're losing, when you're down in every battleground state, you're going to throw whatever you can at the wall and hope it sticks.

00:22:34.000 I mean, what's so funny about De Niro, he's like the quintessential hippie boomer generation.

00:22:38.000 His politics is so surface level.

00:22:40.000 He doesn't understand what's going on.

00:22:41.000 He doesn't understand his own talking points.

00:22:43.000 They threw him out there to do the tough guy shtick.

00:22:45.000 He totally melted.

00:22:46.000 He couldn't even handle one heckler.

00:22:48.000 I mean, later you'll probably have the clip, you know, he'd get kind of quasi-chased out of the area.

00:22:52.000 Oh, he gets chased out.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, he ran away. 0.99

00:22:53.000 I mean, the whole thing was so pathetic. 0.99

00:22:55.000 Great optics. 1.00

00:22:56.000 I mean, you would think that the Trump team paid De Niro to do this stupid stunt. 1.00

00:23:00.000 It was that bad. 1.00

00:23:02.000 Yeah, it seemed really bad.

00:23:03.000 It also is funny to me that this is sort of like the best they could do.

00:23:07.000 Right.

00:23:08.000 They had no one else on hand.

00:23:09.000 There's no other celebrity in New York who wants to come cheer for Biden.

00:23:12.000 There's no celebrity.

00:23:13.000 Well, this is what I mean.

00:23:14.000 Like, theoretically, Biden in years past when he has campaigned has had all these celebrity endorsements.

00:23:20.000 In New York City, it tends to be where they live, right?

00:23:22.000 But we couldn't pull anyone else.

00:23:24.000 This was the best they could do?

00:23:26.000 Well, he's deluded enough to think he knows what he's talking about.

00:23:28.000 Like, he went there, he was just literally reading off a script like a hostage.

00:23:31.000 I mean, you see him there.

00:23:32.000 He couldn't even memorize his own lines.

00:23:33.000 I mean, that's the one thing he's good for, is memorizing lines.

00:23:36.000 Couldn't even memorize them.

00:23:37.000 And again, he had no idea.

00:23:38.000 He couldn't answer basic follow-up questions about the officers behind him and their testimony under oath to Congress.

00:23:44.000 Well, when they yelled, they lied under oath, and he's confused.

00:23:48.000 He probably doesn't even watch the news at all.

00:23:50.000 Correct.

00:23:51.000 The things he's talking about, he heard from someone else who heard it from someone else.

00:23:54.000 Correct.

00:23:55.000 And then he got asked, hey, do you want to come out here?

00:23:56.000 He's like, yeah, Trump, that's crazy.

00:23:58.000 And now he's shocked to find that people are heckling him.

00:24:02.000 And he says, Trump shouldn't be allowing him to do this, telling people to do this, telling these people to come here.

00:24:07.000 And I'm like, to what?

00:24:08.000 He thought he was going to be welcomed with open arms.

00:24:08.000 Protest?

00:24:10.000 Like, you could definitely tell his ego was expecting to go down to that courthouse and be like, you know, heralded as some kind of hero and this, you know, this great political activist, the civil rights icon, because that's what they all want to do.

00:24:21.000 That's his generation. 0.65

00:24:22.000 They all think that they're the next civil rights icon.

00:24:25.000 You know, he made it as an actor.

00:24:26.000 Now he's trying to make it in his next field.

00:24:27.000 He's clearly failing at it.

00:24:29.000 All of these Hollywood celebrities have abandoned Biden.

00:24:32.000 I can't remember who was posting, but it might have been Jack Posobiec, but like The Rock, for instance, says, no, I'm out.

00:24:37.000 We got another story we'll jump to in a second where it's what Dennis Quaid just calmly says, no, you know, we're going to vote for Donald Trump.

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:44.000 I think the most important thing from this is that, in their desperation, they've made it plainly clear that the Biden administration is, in some way, at the bare minimum, involved in what is going on with Trump's trial.

00:24:58.000 Now, we've got closing arguments that are currently ongoing.

00:25:00.000 I guess it's going to be delayed into tomorrow or something, I think.

00:25:03.000 Is that what's happening?

00:25:04.000 Yeah, they were doing summations all through today.

00:25:05.000 I think they still have to do the judges' instructions.

00:25:08.000 So they won't deliver it until probably tomorrow afternoon.

00:25:10.000 And basically it's, as you'd expect, when the defense is giving their closing arguments, the prosecution keeps objecting and the judge keeps sustaining the objections.

00:25:19.000 And then when the prosecution begins their arguments and the defense objects, the judge keeps, what's it called?

00:25:26.000 Overruling it.

00:25:27.000 Overruling, there you go.

00:25:28.000 Overruling all of the defense's objections.

00:25:30.000 So yeah, nothing to see here, I guess.

00:25:33.000 Just an average day in New York court.

00:25:35.000 Yep.

00:25:35.000 Gavin, since you're on the ground in New York, can you tell us sort of what the vibe is?

00:25:39.000 How do New Yorkers feel about this trial?

00:25:41.000 Well, listen, we were just up in the Bronx for President Trump's historic rally there, and I think there's a groundswell of support in some of the least likeliest places in the city, in some of these outer borough communities, these working class communities.

00:25:52.000 He's growing support, I mean, even among a more Manhattanite crowd.

00:25:56.000 I mean, they're just not generating the sort of animosity that they did against Trump that you saw in 16 or 17 or 18.

00:26:02.000 I mean, look, down at the court, generally speaking, the Trump supporters outnumber any, you know, anti-Trump supporters.

00:26:07.000 And when there are anti-Trump supporters there, they're usually affiliated with some, you know, Palestinian cause, which they're just as much anti-Biden as they are anti-Trump.

00:26:15.000 So, look, I think there's a groundswell of support building up.

00:26:18.000 I think they locked him up effectively in New York for the last six weeks.

00:26:21.000 He's been campaigning, doing stops, the bodega run, the firehouse, meeting with union workers.

00:26:26.000 And people see this.

00:26:27.000 They see it for what it is.

00:26:28.000 They see it as a sham trial.

00:26:29.000 There's no victim.

00:26:30.000 It's not a sexy crime.

00:26:31.000 I mean, if you're going to sell this, it has to be sexy. 0.86

00:26:34.000 There's nothing sexy about these documents and accounting and all this ridiculous stuff. 0.97

00:26:39.000 It's just a lame case being prosecuted in an incredibly incompetent way. 0.91

00:26:45.000 And I think a lot of New Yorkers are waking up to it.

00:26:47.000 I think he's going to have his best numbers out of New York.

00:26:50.000 That's not to say that he's going to win.

00:26:51.000 That's not to say that he's going to have overwhelming support, but he's definitely

00:26:55.000 And I think, look, I think it's very possible that he gets a hung jury here.

00:26:59.000 I think it's possible there's one or two holdouts and throw this entire thing, you know, out the window and that'd be the best possible outcome.

00:27:05.000 But he's in a win-win situation because if they do try to throw him in jail, his numbers are going to skyrocket.

00:27:09.000 If he gets a hung jury, his numbers are going to skyrocket.

00:27:12.000 I don't think they're going to get, obviously, an acquittal, a straight acquittal, unfortunately, but everything beyond that still could be spun as a win.

00:27:18.000 It's interesting because it really does seem to come down to Michael Cohen and the prosecutors, you know, set him up.

00:27:23.000 They were like, so you really like Donald Trump?

00:27:25.000 And he's saying, yes, I loved when he praised me, whatever else.

00:27:28.000 And then we turn around and on cross the defense points out, oh, you're actually stealing from him.

00:27:32.000 And it's because apparently justification is you felt like you didn't get the bonus you deserved or whatever.

00:27:35.000 All we learned from this is that President Trump is too nice of a guy.

00:27:38.000 He's too forgiving.

00:27:39.000 He's too nice. 0.99

00:27:40.000 He was like taking this, you know, poor dunce under his wings. 1.00

00:27:43.000 This Michael Cohen, this guy's a complete fool. 1.00

00:27:46.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about or doing. 1.00

00:27:48.000 Greedy, it seems like.

00:27:49.000 Greedy.

00:27:49.000 And President Trump was loyal to him and treated him well, apparently, despite the fact that he had very little to bring to the table.

00:27:55.000 So I think that's probably been the biggest revealing moment of it all.

00:27:58.000 But the whole case is a sham. 0.78

00:28:00.000 The judge is so blatantly corrupt over the top.

00:28:03.000 I mean, again, everything that President Trump has been talking about for months is now being vindicated by the sloppiness and just the overt corruption of this trial.

00:28:11.000 This is the system that he's trying to upend.

00:28:13.000 When he talks about this system, this is it on full display in Lower Manhattan.

00:28:17.000 And I assume for some New Yorkers it's frustrating, like even if they didn't like Trump, right, even if they're default Democrats, this is just your tax dollars being wasted.

00:28:26.000 Right.

00:28:26.000 Well, I think a lot of those default Democrats, or even some of the politically minded Democrats, you're starting to see this on CNN and MSNBC, all the pundits and commentators, they're starting to admit Either, you know, directly or indirectly that this is hurting them, that this is backfiring on them massively.

00:28:41.000 It didn't have the outcome that they were hoping.

00:28:42.000 It's actually galvanized support for him.

00:28:44.000 It's won him over new voters.

00:28:46.000 And again, it's just proving him right in all of the accusations that he's been throwing against the system and the Democrat establishment and all our institutions, which are completely run to the core.

00:28:55.000 Yeah, it makes sense to me.

00:28:57.000 I think one of the interesting things about this trial is that every single trial that comes up against Trump, the media is initially like, this is the one, they're going to get him.

00:29:05.000 And, you know, right as this one hit summations today, there's media attention turning back to the one in Florida, the mishandling of classified documents.

00:29:13.000 And the media is mad because the judge wouldn't grant special... The gag order.

00:29:17.000 The gag order, right.

00:29:19.000 It seems like there is this elusive, like, we're going to get him promised to sort of, you know, default Democrats who believe or have been fed this message that, of course, Trump did something wrong and eventually will get caught.

00:29:30.000 Well, this was the weakest of all the cases.

00:29:32.000 I mean, what they're effectively accusing him of originally was a misdemeanor, and they opted to a felony by claiming some conspiracy to further the underlying crime.

00:29:39.000 And that underlying crime is not Even really a crime that's never been tried before.

00:29:43.000 It's a novel legal theory.

00:29:44.000 No one's ever been prosecuted under this.

00:29:46.000 We're not exactly sure who the victim is.

00:29:47.000 So they hit him with these 32 classy felony counts.

00:29:50.000 I mean, the whole thing... 34.

00:29:52.000 34, thank you.

00:29:52.000 It's insane.

00:29:53.000 The whole thing is just a total joke.

00:29:55.000 And I think, you know, no one thought it was going to come down to this.

00:29:57.000 Everyone thought it was going to be the DC cases that were really going to get him.

00:30:00.000 But now they're stuck with this.

00:30:02.000 And again, it's withering away by the day.

00:30:04.000 It seems like a lot of people are now saying, hung jury.

00:30:06.000 Well, the media's narrative is the whole time saying, oh, even Fareed Zakaria is saying they wouldn't have brought this against anybody else, saying that it's looking really bad for the prosecution.

00:30:17.000 And then today they're like, wow, the defense is doing really poorly in their closing arguments.

00:30:23.000 It's not looking good for Trump now.

00:30:25.000 And I'm like, why would any of that matter after everything we heard?

00:30:29.000 Unless they're trying to gear people up for the expectation that Trump will lose this because you can't have this trial and say, none of it makes sense.

00:30:39.000 And then all of a sudden Trump goes to jail and people say, wow, if it didn't make sense, then this is clearly a sham.

00:30:44.000 But now you've got people coming out saying the evidence is overwhelming and the defense did a poor job on their closing arguments.

00:30:51.000 That way, when it happens, they've primed the narrative formation.

00:30:54.000 They're just they're just getting the masses ready for whatever is to come.

00:30:57.000 And I'm sure it'll be unprecedented.

00:30:59.000 Well, here's the story from the Postmillennial.

00:31:01.000 Trump's Secret Service team meets with local jail officials ahead of NYC trial verdict report.

00:31:08.000 Postmillennial reports, President Donald Trump's Secret Service has reportedly detail met with local jail officials ahead of the decision in the New York City trial to prepare if Trump has to go behind bars.

00:31:20.000 The report comes as the judge overseeing the case has ruled that jurors do not have to agree on the crime that Trump committed.

00:31:28.000 Wow!

00:31:30.000 Wow.

00:31:31.000 Great jury instructions.

00:31:32.000 That's amazing.

00:31:34.000 Good.

00:31:35.000 According to the report from CBS News, Trump's Secret Service details met with local New York corrections officials in preparation for the possibility, a New York corrections source told the outlet.

00:31:43.000 Being the 45th President of the United States, Trump has the right to Secret Service protection for the rest of his life.

00:31:48.000 Being put behind bars may complicate the situation, if that is the case.

00:31:51.000 I hope they just have to clear out the jail.

00:31:55.000 Nah, there's no way this happens.

00:31:57.000 I mean, even if Trump is convicted, they'll put him on house arrest.

00:32:00.000 They'll say, go stay in your house, you can't leave, and you'll wear an ankle bracelet.

00:32:04.000 Secret Service can protect you there.

00:32:06.000 It's cheaper, actually, for Secret Service.

00:32:08.000 And then what does that do for them?

00:32:09.000 Trump can't campaign.

00:32:10.000 Well that's technically what would normally happen in these type of white collar crimes.

00:32:14.000 You get probation, obviously if he commits a crime on probation he goes straight to jail,

00:32:18.000 he's never had a prior conviction, he's older in age, but this judge, who knows, he clearly

00:32:24.000 has an axe to grind and wants to throw him into Rikers, which is one of the most violent,

00:32:28.000 disgusting prisons in the country.

00:32:30.000 I mean, there's regularly videos that come out of our anchors with the prisoners, you know, just attacking correction officers, you know, going absolutely on a rampage.

00:32:38.000 I mean, this is not a well-run prison by any means.

00:32:41.000 It's certainly not a prison that's undercrowded.

00:32:43.000 I think it's overcrowded by the latest estimates I remember looking at.

00:32:46.000 So this is a complete dump of a place that they could be sending the former president.

00:32:50.000 And if they do truly send him there, I mean, it's for one reason and one reason only.

00:32:54.000 They're hoping something would physically happen to him while he's there.

00:32:57.000 I can't understand the logistics of it, right?

00:32:58.000 Like, it's obvious that this would be nearly impossible.

00:33:01.000 I mean, unless Tim's right, they're gonna mass clear Rikers, which is bad for New York.

00:33:05.000 You know, how would you have Trump incarcerated?

00:33:07.000 Unless the intention is to risk him, or to put him, they'll be like, well, for your own protection, you have to be in solitary confinement.

00:33:15.000 There's no justification.

00:33:16.000 They've been trying to empty their prisons for a long time, and now they'll have no choice.

00:33:21.000 Our Secret Service says that we've got to clear everybody out.

00:33:24.000 Bunch of new voters right in time for the election too.

00:33:27.000 They'll leave Rikers right to the polls.

00:33:28.000 And it'll really help with the crime rates, the attacks in New York.

00:33:31.000 It'll be a great idea.

00:33:32.000 Most people that should be in Rikers are walking the streets every day.

00:33:35.000 That's the joke of this whole thing.

00:33:37.000 Everything we're talking about here is just a slap in the face to everyday New Yorkers who are dealing with these.

00:33:42.000 recurring situations of violent thugs who have rap sheets going back years, who constantly

00:33:47.000 walk on desk appearance tickets every time they get, you know, hit by one of the cops

00:33:51.000 or arrested.

00:33:52.000 They just go through the paperwork, they go through the machine, they're in and out.

00:33:55.000 Meanwhile, you have the entire system trying to lock up a nonviolent offender, former president

00:33:59.000 of the United States.

00:34:00.000 It's just absolutely sick.

00:34:01.000 We're basically the media image of being able to say, look, there's a picture of Trump.

00:34:04.000 You know, this is what Georgia was so intense about with, with the mugshots.

00:34:07.000 They really thought that this was going to work though.

00:34:10.000 They really thought that they were going to have, they honestly, they did because they wouldn't have started this because if they look at how bad things are panning out for them, they really did believe, because especially when all this stuff started, there was a whole lot of emotion in it too.

00:34:23.000 Everybody thought they were like, I'm going to get Trump.

00:34:25.000 And it all happened, you know, right after they all started the investigations, right after the, the end of his term and stuff, they were really serious

00:34:32.000 about it and now it's looking really, really bad for them. And so I don't see that how they even

00:34:38.000 make this into something that, I don't see the silver lining, how they fix it. It's all

00:34:44.000 bad news.

00:34:45.000 Well that's why I think they started early on being like, well possibly you could go to jail

00:34:49.000 for contempt of court because we told you to stop violating the gag order.

00:34:52.000 Ultimately, this is all about the imaging.

00:34:54.000 Again, with the Georgia mugshots, there was someone on left media in these campaigns thinking, if we can just get a mugshot of Donald Trump, then the American people will hate them.

00:35:05.000 that guy. It's the arrogance. And it turned out that was the most hilarious thing. He released

00:35:09.000 merch for it and people were like, actually I feel like he's being abused by the system and

00:35:13.000 if he if they can abuse a former president who is a billionaire they can definitely abuse me.

00:35:18.000 And so I think it actually rallies support in his favor. I don't think a perp walk to

00:35:21.000 Ryker's Island would make people think Trump was bad. No, I think he'd win.

00:35:24.000 I think he'd win if they sent him to Rikers.

00:35:26.000 And again, it's their arrogance, it's their just complete disconnect with the actual political realities on the ground.

00:35:32.000 They think continuously making him a martyr is only going to kill his political future.

00:35:37.000 It's only strengthening it quantitatively with all the foals.

00:35:39.000 I think now they get the point that it's terrible.

00:35:42.000 I think they're realizing how bad the results are. 0.98

00:35:45.000 The problem is you have this machine of all these incompetent grifters. 0.88

00:35:48.000 You got the Fannie Willis's of the world. 1.00

00:35:50.000 You got the Tish James.

00:35:51.000 They're all trying to be the next hero in the Democrat Party.

00:35:53.000 They're all trying to be the next, you know, big name star.

00:35:56.000 So they're not always thinking.

00:35:57.000 I think now they're just trying to save their necks.

00:35:59.000 Now they're trying to shut it down.

00:36:00.000 But in the beginning it was like every, you know, crazy half-baked prosecutor was trying to come out and be like, I'm going to get them. 0.82

00:36:06.000 I'm going to get them because they're trying to elevate themselves in the party ranks.

00:36:09.000 Now it's falling apart.

00:36:10.000 They're probably trying to put the kibosh on it.

00:36:12.000 But I would agree with that.

00:36:13.000 Definitely.

00:36:14.000 I have a feeling that Trump may find himself in some kind of incarceration.

00:36:18.000 I imagine the ankle bracelet is their preferred method.

00:36:22.000 So I mentioned that to a friend of mine who actually used to work in D.C.

00:36:26.000 And she was talking about, like she mentioned, oh, well, you know, it would be like Waco or there would be a situation like Ruby Ridge.

00:36:32.000 And I'm like, it wouldn't be like that.

00:36:34.000 How?

00:36:35.000 What?

00:36:35.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 She's like, because I was thinking that, you know, it would it would turn into violence.

00:36:38.000 There would be protests, et cetera.

00:36:40.000 And she was thinking that it would turn into something that would that would have it like a group of people.

00:36:44.000 But the thing is, it wouldn't turn into I don't think it would turn into that.

00:36:47.000 And I mentioned people defending Trump from being incarcerated.

00:36:49.000 I'm not 100% sure, but the point that I was making is, like, it'll be more like the Bundys, right?

00:36:54.000 Like, it'll be more like a standoff.

00:36:56.000 It'll be people facing down the government more than the government... Like Secret Service versus the arresting authorities?

00:37:02.000 Exactly.

00:37:03.000 You would end up having a lot of people that refuse to go to work.

00:37:06.000 you would have if the if you have too many protesters that get violent with the police there would be police that wouldn't go not most of them because i don't think that i think that's a that january 6th has proven that that that idea was a foul it was a fantasy but there would be people that would say look this is this is wrong because this is more clear to normies that it is a kind of a hit job on Trump that it's illegitimate.

00:37:30.000 So I don't think the idea that it would become, there'd be protests and so I don't think that's far-fetched

00:37:36.000 and I just don't think that it would be some kind of like small thing. It

00:37:39.000 would be it would be a big deal with a lot of significant repercussions,

00:37:43.000 you know?

00:37:44.000 The line you said about the normies, that's the key thing here.

00:37:47.000 That's what they miscalculated.

00:37:49.000 This was red meat for their left-wing base.

00:37:51.000 It was the cat ladies on the Upper West Side who think of President Trump like the next Hitler. 1.00

00:37:57.000 Those are the people that they were appeasing with this move, and they turned off all the default.

00:38:01.000 Democrats, you used that term, or the normies who are now waking up and are saying, wait, this is wrong.

00:38:06.000 I don't like President Trump maybe, but this is too far.

00:38:09.000 And that's where they totally blew the political calculation.

00:38:13.000 Why do they blow it?

00:38:14.000 I mean, is it just arrogance that allows them to do this?

00:38:17.000 Emotion.

00:38:19.000 Emotion, arrogance.

00:38:19.000 I think so, yeah.

00:38:21.000 I mean, you know, a lot of these people, particularly these blue states or these blue districts like Fannie Willis and Tish James, they never have any political competition.

00:38:28.000 They run their little fiefdoms, whether it's their Attorney General office, their governorship, whatever office they tend to hold in these blue, monopolistic, one-party towns, these Democrat machine politicians.

00:38:39.000 They've never actually had to campaign.

00:38:41.000 They've never actually had to, you know, persuade people of the, you know, the righteousness of their policies or the success of their policies.

00:38:47.000 They win because of the machine, particularly in New York, particularly where Fannie Willis is in Georgia.

00:38:53.000 And because of that, they become out of touch and they lose sight of political realities that still exist on the national level.

00:38:59.000 And they're still operating under an environment where people will react negatively to this.

00:39:03.000 They're not all living in a 90% Democrat district where they win no matter what.

00:39:07.000 They're operating in an area right now many of these battleground states where, you know, a lot of

00:39:11.000 these races are within the margin of error and this is pushing people over or bringing new voters to

00:39:15.000 the table that are so disgusted with it.

00:39:17.000 Some weird's going on.

00:39:19.000 Because Joe Biden's not in the ballot in Ohio.

00:39:22.000 And something weird's going on.

00:39:24.000 Maybe Occam's Razor.

00:39:27.000 There's no grand cabal or conspiracy.

00:39:29.000 There's powerful special interests working behind the scenes that I get, but no big conspiracy, just they're screwing up royally.

00:39:36.000 Someone didn't file the paperwork.

00:39:38.000 Maybe the administration and the Uniparty has become Swiss cheese infrastructure where people have quit.

00:39:45.000 Nobody cares to support them.

00:39:48.000 I don't know what the reason is that they screwed something up so massively, but it's polarized. 0.99

00:39:54.000 It's either they're a bunch of incompetent morons who have lost their support base, are fumbling the ball and filing incorrectly, or they're doing something else to where they don't care that Biden's not on the ballot. 0.99

00:40:12.000 I think, Occam's Razor. 1.00

00:40:13.000 I think you're dealing with a lot of stupid people. 1.00

00:40:15.000 I mean, just look at how they govern. 1.00

00:40:16.000 Look at their foreign policy disaster.

00:40:18.000 Look at just their media relations.

00:40:20.000 You have that account, the Biden-Harris war room, posting clips of President Trump from rallies where he's funny, relatable, entertaining, and they think it's an own.

00:40:28.000 I mean, these are the type of people you're dealing with.

00:40:29.000 They're deluded and they're in a bubble.

00:40:31.000 Or they don't think it's an own and they've given up.

00:40:35.000 I mean, Ohio's going Republican no matter what.

00:40:37.000 This would definitely hurt, you know, the popular vote. 0.63

00:40:39.000 It would give a win probably to President Trump in the popular vote if Biden wasn't on the ballot.

00:40:44.000 But look, they're scrambling now.

00:40:46.000 Look, I think they've dealt with years of not really being brought to task, mostly from other weak Republicans who just didn't, you know, bring the fight that President Trump has been bringing.

00:40:56.000 And because of that, they're used to dealing with, you know, a different caliber of opposition. Now, you know, they're actually in a real

00:41:02.000 race. I mean, he's an incumbent and he's in a real race where he's down on the aggregate in every major

00:41:06.000 poll, whether battleground polling, national polling, everything. And they're getting caught

00:41:11.000 clubfooted because they're really not this, you know, sophisticated political machine that they

00:41:16.000 thought they were. They were just, you know, watching too many episodes of, you know, the West

00:41:20.000 Wing or whatever it was.

00:41:21.000 And they're just they're smoking their own supply.

00:41:23.000 It does make me wonder if there's a certain level of just incompetence,

00:41:27.000 Maybe you're saying like Swiss cheese and especially the DNC Like with the Ohio issue, the Ohio law from what I understand has been on the books for a long time, which means that anyone two years out who was scheduling the DNC's national convention could have, like there was no one whose job it was to like look at state laws and say when do we need to have a candidate nominated by? 0.62

00:41:46.000 That's ridiculous!

00:41:47.000 How long have they been a political party? 0.99

00:41:49.000 A long time!

00:41:52.000 It's just a bunch of people who are like, politics are glamorous, politics is social, I watch the West Wing, you know, I want to be a part of this.

00:42:00.000 They don't actually think about anything, they just thought, oh, sometime in August, right?

00:42:04.000 Is this a symptom of like, all the changes that they've done, because they moved their They moved their primary schedule around to make South Carolina first primary.

00:42:14.000 They changed the date of their convention as well, I believe.

00:42:18.000 It's always sort of flexible because the party that's not in power, from what I know, goes first.

00:42:22.000 So like RNC would be in July this year, which it is.

00:42:24.000 And this is state rules.

00:42:25.000 It's state by state.

00:42:26.000 But you know, there's still a Democrat party in Ohio.

00:42:29.000 There's still a DNC.

00:42:30.000 You're making the right point.

00:42:31.000 And there's no one whose job, there's not like a department of five interns who could say like, hey, you each have to look at, you know, whatever, 10 states and figure out when they need to have a candidate by and then we'll pick the date from there.

00:42:42.000 Like, was it someone's like vacation schedule they picked the DNC?

00:42:46.000 I just don't understand because it's a level of incompetence, which if you were a Democrat in Ohio, you're right.

00:42:50.000 Ohio will probably go red.

00:42:51.000 It'll probably stay that way.

00:42:52.000 But if they want to win any down ticket races, like if they want to win state seats in the state Senate or Assembly or whatever.

00:42:59.000 This impacts everything.

00:43:00.000 It kills Brown.

00:43:01.000 Well, here's the story from the Postmillennial.

00:43:10.000 DNC to hold virtual nomination to make sure Joe Biden can qualify for Ohio ballot.

00:43:16.000 So, uh, this look, the Democrats are in shambles.

00:43:21.000 They're freaking out. 0.99

00:43:22.000 They're like chickens with their heads cut off.

00:43:26.000 They scheduled their convention where they nominate their candidate after Ohio's deadline. 0.90

00:43:31.000 Could not get Biden on the ballot in Ohio.

00:43:34.000 So they're going to have a loose virtual nomination because they're cheaters who break the rules because they're incompetent and don't know what they're doing.

00:43:44.000 And so there you go.

00:43:45.000 Then they're going to have their Potemkin convention in Chicago, I guess.

00:43:50.000 But they're even saying that will be partially virtual.

00:43:53.000 And I think the unofficial reason is because there's going to be mass riots in Chicago.

00:43:58.000 People don't like Democrats.

00:44:02.000 In 2016, I went to the RNC.

00:44:04.000 It was hilarious.

00:44:05.000 That's where Jimmy Dore spit on Alex Jones when he crashed the Young Turks event or whatever.

00:44:13.000 And a little protest.

00:44:15.000 Not really.

00:44:15.000 I think a little march around the city.

00:44:17.000 No one really cared.

00:44:19.000 The DNC that year, thousands of people protested, stormed the barricades, tried jumping over these like 10 foot tall fences they had set up.

00:44:27.000 Massive protests.

00:44:29.000 The far left does not care about Republicans, perhaps because the Republicans don't look like a viable attack vector for them.

00:44:37.000 But the left does think they can garner influence and take over the DNC and gain power.

00:44:42.000 So the DNC is in fear that their own far left extremists will show up and destroy them.

00:44:48.000 And they've been out of control the last few months.

00:44:50.000 I mean, they have no control over, for example, again, the Palestinian protests that we've been seeing, you know, on the streets of New York and elsewhere.

00:44:56.000 I mean, that's a group that the DNC has very little control over.

00:44:59.000 There's a ton of animosity, and I fully agree with you.

00:45:02.000 This is turning into an internal party struggle more than anything.

00:45:05.000 They see their bigger enemy not as Trump.

00:45:07.000 They see it as Biden and the establishment of the Democrat Party, which is very different from 2016 when there was just this animosity, this fear, You know, this hysteria over President Trump, that just doesn't exist anymore on the radical left and their foot soldiers.

00:45:21.000 They're far more concerned with their internal party dynamic and power structure than they are vis-a-vis President Trump and the RNC.

00:45:27.000 How much do you get the sense that there are people that are actually, say, aides in D.C.

00:45:35.000 that share the opinions of the Antifa foot soldiers?

00:45:40.000 Because it's my sense that the people that are elected officials have no idea how infiltrated

00:45:49.000 the Democrat party is by far leftists who don't believe in the fundamental

00:45:53.000 principles that this could that that even the elected Democrats do like your mansion Democrats and and

00:45:59.000 and people like that like they still they believe in the United States right like generally they're

00:46:05.000 they're a different kind of Democrat than your your squad Democrats the squad isn't even Democrats

00:46:11.000 clearly they're progressives they've left liberalism behind they've left the fundamental

00:46:15.000 principles of the United States so what's it what's your sense well I mean a lot of the staffers I meet right

00:46:19.000 or left Republican or Democrat obviously they're younger they're usually more politically

00:46:23.000 radical a lot of the staffers I meet they may work for a more moderate member of the house and

00:46:27.000 they're far to the right of their their principle I think the same thing applies on the Democrat

00:46:32.000 side you see a lot of these younger staffers far more radical than the elected officials they

00:46:36.000 they work for Most of whom are basically just answering to the whim of donors.

00:46:40.000 That applies to both sides.

00:46:42.000 You know, it's a party by the donors for the donors.

00:46:44.000 You have these elected officials, you know, their staff, you know, they could have their ideals, they could have their vision, you know, whatever it is, a left-wing vision, a right-wing vision.

00:46:52.000 Most of these members, if a donor says something, that's what they do.

00:46:55.000 That's really what drives DC.

00:46:57.000 It's the rent-seeking, it's the special interest, and the staffers, you know, they become jaded, and if they're jaded enough and they're smart enough, they will rise the ranks.

00:47:05.000 It's the idealist...

00:47:07.000 The ones that have their vision for the future, their utopia, those are the ones that fall behind.

00:47:14.000 And I think also to the incompetence question we were talking about earlier, you know, I think a lot of this, it's Occam's razor because you have these staffers, you have these people with lofty titles, whether at the DNC, the RNC, you know, whatever member they work for, if Congress or another elected official, and everyone just sort of thinks, oh, they have that title because they must be very competent.

00:47:32.000 They must be very serious, smart people who are on top of the game.

00:47:35.000 And then the closer, at least personally speaking, the closer you get to these levers of power, and I'm talking about the individuals that are manning those levers, you become more and more, Just sort of, you know, unimpressed by them.

00:47:46.000 And you're just like, really, these are the people that you thought were really, like, behind the machine, working things that were actually smart and interesting?

00:47:52.000 They're not.

00:47:52.000 Well, you know how we talk about the knowledge transfer problem?

00:47:56.000 It's like a Boeing suffering.

00:47:58.000 We've got DEI initiatives which are causing industries to fail, get well, go broke.

00:48:03.000 Right now, the concern with these boat crashes, these barges that are slamming into bridges and, in one instance, destroying it, as well as Boeing planes failing, is that the people they're

00:48:12.000 hiring don't have the skills or capabilities. It's not just, in my opinion, that they're

00:48:17.000 doing these diversity initiatives and they're getting lower, the lowest common denominator. I

00:48:22.000 think the issue is, if you look at the millennial generation, they don't want to be laborers.

00:48:28.000 They want to be rock stars.

00:48:29.000 They want to be YouTubers.

00:48:30.000 And Gen Z's probably not too different. 0.91

00:48:33.000 So no one is pursuing this knowledge, but more importantly, it used to be that you learned from your elders.

00:48:39.000 Your dad was a blacksmith, and then you were a kid, and you watched your dad blacksmith, and you learned how to be a blacksmith, and then eventually you were.

00:48:44.000 Now, dad goes to work, and kid goes to school, and what does kid go to school for?

00:48:48.000 I don't know, like feminist dance class? 1.00

00:48:50.000 And so who's learning how to drive these boats?

00:48:53.000 Then when the kid graduates with his degree in Gender Studies and Feminist Interpretive Dance, he goes and looks for a job and the DNC says, well, we're hiring.

00:49:01.000 And so this decay of capability has spread not just to Boeing, not just to Bridges, but to the inner workings of the DNC.

00:49:09.000 You're describing the whole decline of the West, our society writ large, and I think it goes back a hundred years.

00:49:14.000 I mean, there are buildings that we built a hundred, two hundred years ago that we could barely build today.

00:49:18.000 We don't even have the stonemasons or the artisans who could build things.

00:49:21.000 So we've seen that lack of that institutional knowledge, you know, wither away.

00:49:25.000 I think it's applying across, you know, institutions, whether it's corporations, whether it's governments, whether it's political parties.

00:49:31.000 I mean, it's a sad state of affairs and, again, it's only being hastened because we've abandoned meritocracy and we're elevating things like DEI and all these other types of programs that are pushing aside standards and, again, the merit-based systems in favor of race-based quotas and other nonsense.

00:49:49.000 So we were already on a decline before this became so mainstream.

00:49:54.000 Now it's only become on steroids.

00:49:57.000 Do you think it can be changed?

00:49:58.000 Like, is this decline inevitable?

00:50:00.000 Do we have to accept fate or is there a way to steer it?

00:50:02.000 I mean, history repeats itself.

00:50:03.000 I mean, this isn't the first time, you know, you could go back to the Bronze Age collapse, you could look at the Roman Empire collapsing.

00:50:08.000 I mean, tons of societies, empires, you know, nations, states have gone through these types of declines, cultural declines, economic declines, spiritual declines.

00:50:16.000 I mean, I think we're checking all those boxes.

00:50:19.000 Can it be fixed?

00:50:19.000 I mean, you know, I don't think without radical change, I think it certainly could be slowed down.

00:50:24.000 to a point where society becomes more conscious of it, but it's difficult.

00:50:27.000 I mean, you know, when you're in the midst of a decline, you know, how do you stop it?

00:50:31.000 How do you stop all these forces that are already in motion?

00:50:34.000 I mean, unless you, you know, you downsize a nation, you downsize a society, and you start from scratch.

00:50:40.000 That's how, you know, history has evolved.

00:50:42.000 It's like a penny stock chart.

00:50:43.000 It just goes up, it goes down, it goes up, it goes down.

00:50:47.000 Those that are listening to shows like this, and who are probably on the Trump train, are more resilient to this decay.

00:50:53.000 And, you know, we believe in meritocracy.

00:50:57.000 So what may happen is the system may be burning down all around us.

00:51:01.000 The systems of power that exist have become unstable.

00:51:05.000 And like a nuclear reactor, which produces beautiful, clean energy, when it becomes unstable, it could melt down and destroy everything around it.

00:51:11.000 That's what we're seeing with the Uniparty and the Democrats.

00:51:13.000 That's why they're going after Donald Trump.

00:51:15.000 However, that can only last so long, and so that's why I'm fairly optimistic that even if the worst-case scenario happens, in the end, it is the strong individuals who believe in hard work and meritocracy who are going to win.

00:51:29.000 I'd put any amount of money on it, any day, that if you take someone who believes in equity, and someone who believes in meritocracy, and you run the simulation a million times, it's going to be 99 to 1.

00:51:41.000 It's going to be almost every single simulation, the meritocratic individual is going to win out in the grand scheme of things.

00:51:49.000 But that road is a rocky one, you know, returning to equilibrium, you know, returning to, you know, where we think should be, ought to be, you know, obviously by our subjective, you know, view of it.

00:51:59.000 I mean, getting back to that place, it's not going to be easy.

00:52:02.000 I do agree with you, you know, if your time horizon's long enough, it'll eventually will correct itself, but there's going to be a lot of, you know, decline, bloodshed, a whole lot of human suffering before we get to that point.

00:52:13.000 I mean, you saw the same thing, you know, with the rise of the Soviets and other things.

00:52:16.000 Yeah, if it turns into complete economic destabilization, to the point where the US dollar becomes toilet paper or something like that, the whole world is going to ripple in a massive shockwave.

00:52:29.000 Our system is beyond its carrying capacity.

00:52:31.000 We're running on fumes, we're running on fiat, we're running on a whole lot of stuff that's pushing us forward.

00:52:35.000 It's kind of a zombie system in many ways.

00:52:38.000 You could do very well for yourself, you could make a lot of money, you could have a good

00:52:41.000 life while this whole decline is happening around you.

00:52:44.000 Not everyone will be in that boat.

00:52:45.000 Some people are going to be worse off than others.

00:52:47.000 Some people will be able to survive the ups and downs of whatever happens economically,

00:52:51.000 et cetera.

00:52:52.000 But there's no easy answers.

00:52:53.000 Why did you get interested in politics?

00:52:55.000 I just always was interested in history, learning about the world, and obviously politics is

00:53:01.000 like a natural derivative of that.

00:53:03.000 You learn about history, most of it's political.

00:53:05.000 I mean, kings, generals, who's conquering who, what nation is building and growing or being destroyed.

00:53:13.000 Politics and economics are just the natural springboard from that.

00:53:16.000 But not everyone who's interested in history takes over the New York Young Republicans.

00:53:21.000 Yeah.

00:53:21.000 I mean, look, I think I got more politically active.

00:53:26.000 things that happened to me locally that I just sort of got thrusted into politics.

00:53:30.000 Eventually, I took over the club and I ran with it. You put your name to something,

00:53:33.000 you want to build it, you want to grow it, you want to expand that. And that happened. But listen,

00:53:37.000 I think there are a lot of people that—I have friends of mine who have similar interests,

00:53:41.000 similar views. We played the same video games growing up and things like that,

00:53:45.000 and they're all interested in politics.

00:53:46.000 They may not do it as actively as I do, but they're following, they're watching, they're seeing a lot of the stories we're seeing, and they're seeing the decline around them.

00:53:53.000 They're feeling that decline.

00:53:54.000 We talk about younger people, younger staffers, why they have their visions of the future is because the status quo is untenable.

00:54:01.000 It's not what it was 10, 15, 20 years ago.

00:54:03.000 There's a visceral decline in the air.

00:54:04.000 You can feel it, and people are reacting to it.

00:54:07.000 We've become more politicized as a society.

00:54:10.000 I think 20, 30 years ago we weren't nearly as politicized as we are now.

00:54:12.000 Well, ladies and gentlemen, as I describe the failings of Boeing and other institutions in these United States, I have a sad story about the decline in our military.

00:54:24.000 U.S.

00:54:25.000 will remove Biden's $320 million Gaza pier because it's sinking.

00:54:29.000 Disaster for President's floating aid dock as it's taken from beach for repairs after just two weeks.

00:54:35.000 So it ripped apart, became unmoored, as they described it in the press, and started floating away.

00:54:40.000 This is the pier that the Biden administration wanted to build in Gaza, which is the invasion, and it failed.

00:54:47.000 So what we were talking about in the previous segment is basically you have these big jets, and people build them, engineers build them.

00:54:53.000 There is a decay in capability and meritocracy at a fundamental level in this country that is affecting everything.

00:55:00.000 It's why the Democrats are probably losing their minds and their system is falling apart.

00:55:04.000 It's why everything seems to be getting crazier.

00:55:06.000 And I don't know if it's a causation or correlation with DEI.

00:55:10.000 It may be the causation of DEI or it could be inverted.

00:55:14.000 I don't know.

00:55:15.000 But now you've got the Biden administration sending out the army to build this big pier and they screwed the whole thing up and now it's sinking so they're just taking it apart.

00:55:21.000 A trillion-dollar military-industrial complex can't build a pier or dock in Gaza. 0.96

00:55:26.000 I mean, it's absolutely pathetic. 0.90

00:55:27.000 I mean, all the money, the resources. 0.98

00:55:29.000 I mean, it just goes to show that, you know, we're a laughingstock.

00:55:32.000 We've become a laughingstock.

00:55:33.000 You know, we're this declining empire.

00:55:35.000 And, you know, you can't get a better visual than that, this dock just drifting away into the Mediterranean to illustrate it. 0.98

00:55:41.000 It's absolutely pathetic.

00:55:42.000 I mean, I'm so glad we spent $320 million on this instead of, you know, a bridge in America, you know, something to fund a state, an educational effort, you know, maybe something to, I don't know, encourage people to take up trade skills and potentially build better docks. 0.96

00:55:56.000 Like, it's so ridiculous to me and it's literally American money being washed away and it doesn't benefit the American people.

00:56:03.000 Look at this photograph. 0.80

00:56:04.000 It's just absolutely insane what they were building in Gaza. 1.00

00:56:08.000 It's a beachhead to drop military gear and equipment.

00:56:13.000 And Lloyd Austin's like, no, we're not putting boots on the ground.

00:56:16.000 I mean, look at the piers connected to the beach of Gaza.

00:56:19.000 There's American boots on the ground.

00:56:22.000 And now the whole thing broke.

00:56:23.000 And oh, man.

00:56:25.000 And who will be held accountable?

00:56:26.000 I mean, who's the guy?

00:56:27.000 No one.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, exactly. There's no one at all. There is no accountability at all.

00:56:31.000 Well, I'm wondering, like, why is it that the U.S. military—because the U.S. military

00:56:38.000 usually achieves the goals that they set out, right?

00:56:44.000 The political side of things is bad, but, like, when you set the military to do stuff, they usually get things done.

00:56:50.000 Historically, they've done some pretty damn incredible things, like the Berlin Airlift.

00:56:54.000 You're like, they, they, look into that.

00:56:56.000 It's, it's, it's pretty amazing what, like, the military's capable of.

00:57:00.000 I'm not sure who planned this, how this, how they blew it, because, I mean, they literally have to build a whole city when they invade a country.

00:57:11.000 Like, they build a whole city with, like, you know, all the stuff that you need to live and this pier shouldn't be beyond the capability.

00:57:19.000 So how this got blown, I don't know.

00:57:21.000 It was a terrible idea in the first place, clearly, but...

00:57:24.000 A lot of graft.

00:57:25.000 I mean, look, even places like Iraq, all these, you know, conflict zones we've been part of, you know, there's tons of, it was a black hole. 1.00

00:57:30.000 Money goes in, no results come out.

00:57:32.000 You know, they build a school, it gets blown up.

00:57:35.000 They build it again, it gets blown up.

00:57:36.000 It's, you know, we always hear stories about this, you know, with the contractors and Yeah, but that's not how the military—like, when it's U.S.

00:57:43.000 military, usually, like I said, they—historically, they're good at achieving goals.

00:57:47.000 Kinetically.

00:57:48.000 Kinetically, you know, they bomb X, kill Y, absolutely. 0.65

00:57:51.000 I mean, this kind of stuff, I could see, you know, that the graft and the grifting and the corruption has started to seep in.

00:57:57.000 And again, this is—these are signs of a declining society.

00:58:01.000 Lower trust.

00:58:02.000 This is when you start to get this third-world-style corruption and grifting and graft off the system.

00:58:08.000 Everyone's pocketing.

00:58:09.000 And no one's actually doing their job.

00:58:10.000 It's the end stage of a country.

00:58:13.000 Agreed.

00:58:13.000 It is... Wow.

00:58:14.000 Grimcast tonight.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, it is.

00:58:16.000 Graphcast.

00:58:17.000 It is the failure to transfer knowledge from one generation to the next.

00:58:22.000 And maybe it was intentional.

00:58:24.000 Maybe it was an attack.

00:58:25.000 Maybe, maybe, uh... Demoralization.

00:58:28.000 Yuri Bezmenov.

00:58:29.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 He was completely correct when they targeted a generation, cut them off from the previous, and now we are unable to operate these machines.

00:58:38.000 And he said, I think it was the 80s when that famous interview was done, he said, you guys are already past these stages.

00:58:43.000 We didn't realize it then.

00:58:44.000 It took a while for us to see the ramifications, but it's been...

00:58:48.000 You know what's really wild is I saw the commercial for the new iPad.

00:58:51.000 Have you guys seen it?

00:58:52.000 Where everyone got offended because the big, gigantic machine destroys everything.

00:58:56.000 And there was this great meme.

00:58:57.000 It was like the original Apple Macintosh commercial is the woman running in in bright colors in 1984 and throwing the sledgehammer. 0.78

00:59:07.000 And the theme was bright humanity destroying the monotonous, you know, controlled regime.

00:59:14.000 And then... 1984, right?

00:59:16.000 It was styled like that.

00:59:17.000 She's got like orange shorts and she throws the sledgehammer. 1.00

00:59:20.000 And then it was like, now 2024, it's totally inverted and the industrial cold monotonous machine destroys all of the vibrant life to create this tablet.

00:59:29.000 But anyway, my point was...

00:59:31.000 When they show the tablet, it's like the woman's hand holding it up, and it's super thin. 0.99

00:59:36.000 I thought, you know what's really crazy about that?

00:59:39.000 If you gave that tablet to some like, queen in the year 1350, you should call it a magic mirror.

00:59:47.000 And it would be like, it's got like the face detection activation, so you walk up to it and it just turns on.

00:59:54.000 It's got voice control activation, so you can say, tell me this, tell me that.

00:59:58.000 And then if you were to crack it open and look what was inside, what would you find?

01:00:01.000 Runes and glyphs.

01:00:02.000 You would find stones inside with strange carvings and strange lines.

01:00:07.000 And I'm just like, isn't that amazing?

01:00:09.000 That If today we fail to transfer knowledge of how these things operate, within a certain amount of time, someone who comes upon a helicopter will just see a giant rock and not even understand what it's supposed to do.

01:00:25.000 That's what's happened throughout history.

01:00:26.000 We don't even understand, you know.

01:00:28.000 Ancient civilizations fully.

01:00:29.000 We think we do.

01:00:30.000 We call this a tomb.

01:00:32.000 We call this a palace.

01:00:34.000 But we have no idea what they were doing, what they actually were innovating.

01:00:37.000 But I think you're bringing on a point about the institutional knowledge.

01:00:40.000 I think I saw an article that came out that said like 30% of the web or like a lot of websites over the last five, ten years, they're gone completely, completely deleted.

01:00:48.000 We didn't even preserve them.

01:00:49.000 It's like the Library of Alexandria in real time.

01:00:51.000 We're just losing knowledge.

01:00:52.000 Maybe it's not the most valuable knowledge, but it's still knowledge nonetheless.

01:00:55.000 It's gone.

01:00:56.000 And then in addition to the knowledge, you were highlighting the difference between these two commercials.

01:01:01.000 You can look up the Home Alone house, you know, the difference after the renovation.

01:01:06.000 And I think someone made a joke online.

01:01:07.000 It was like the antidepressant version of the house.

01:01:10.000 You know, you go back to the to the 90s.

01:01:11.000 It was this warm, cozy house on the inside, full of like, you know, children, family, and it really just sort of spoke to the times.

01:01:19.000 And now it's this white, sterile, just Brutalist.

01:01:23.000 Brutalist, minimalist, you know, just soulless interior, and it just really shows the transition of our country from where it was in the 90s.

01:01:31.000 Oh, wow.

01:01:32.000 It used to have the red wallpaper.

01:01:35.000 I find it really interesting that as we have become a more online And we have the rise of sort of the lifestyle influencer that also we take out any kind of characteristics.

01:01:48.000 The rise of minimalism, meaning just like white, beige, not a lot of decorations, it's almost like taking away any kind of personality.

01:01:56.000 Death of detail, ornamentation, everything's utilitarian.

01:01:59.000 You know, why would we put a flourish here?

01:02:01.000 Why would we put a piece of paneling here?

01:02:03.000 It doesn't serve any purpose.

01:02:04.000 Everything should just be white slab.

01:02:06.000 You don't want anyone to think anything of it.

01:02:08.000 It's like it won't offend anyone.

01:02:10.000 That's what it ultimately came as part of our interior design.

01:02:12.000 And it's hard to quantify these things, you know, because it's like, you know, kind of everything's run by technocrats.

01:02:17.000 So, you know, what's the value of that wallpaper?

01:02:21.000 How do you quantify it?

01:02:22.000 How it makes you feel?

01:02:23.000 We got to zoom in.

01:02:24.000 It's low resolution, but you can see the chairs, the red, the wallpaper, the carpet.

01:02:30.000 And then today it's that.

01:02:33.000 It's gray and minimal and nothing.

01:02:36.000 I mean, it's still a beautiful home, but it does lack all personality, right?

01:02:41.000 And I think that is sort of true for so many parts of American culture right now.

01:02:46.000 They're trying so hard not to be offensive or to blend in and be palatable to everyone that there's sort of no defining characteristic.

01:02:52.000 It's monotonous.

01:02:53.000 We gotta go back.

01:02:54.000 We've got to turn the clock back to the 90s when we used to put colors on the walls and they were families.

01:02:59.000 I've actually seen a huge rise in wallpaper.

01:03:02.000 Wallpapering is becoming extremely popular and I almost think it's a response to this very impersonal minimalist beige culture.

01:03:09.000 We're going to redo the whole IRL studio with that wallpaper.

01:03:13.000 I've got ideas.

01:03:14.000 There's a lot of really fun wallpapers out there.

01:03:16.000 Wayne Scoding and some wallpaper.

01:03:18.000 Okay, listen, I know that I'm going to be the dissenting voice here.

01:03:22.000 The white looks way better than the wallpaper.

01:03:26.000 I'm sorry.

01:03:28.000 It's not that I disagree with you.

01:03:30.000 It's just that this house could be anywhere in the country, right?

01:03:32.000 Sure, sure.

01:03:32.000 The wallpaper is in some ways more personal.

01:03:35.000 Nah, I disagree with you, Phil.

01:03:36.000 It is the communist block housing application of American society.

01:03:40.000 There is nothing communist looking about that.

01:03:42.000 The big thing is like... Are you kidding, dude?

01:03:44.000 Yeah, I'm 100% serious.

01:03:47.000 Have you driven down the street in, like, post-Soviet countries?

01:03:51.000 Yeah, I mean, yes, I've been to Russia a couple times.

01:03:54.000 And I'm not comparing the level of luxury, I'm comparing the sterilization of it.

01:03:59.000 The brutalist, you don't get anything pretty, you don't get any design, you get a gray cube, but go live in your cube.

01:04:04.000 Okay, so the only thing that has personality at the house are the historic elements, right?

01:04:09.000 The banister, the woodwork, the wainscoting that they left, and one more homeowner, they will take that out and replace it.

01:04:14.000 That's a very good point.

01:04:15.000 Isn't the wainscoting, isn't that the half thing called wainscoting?

01:04:19.000 I mean, that's, that alone, Right there is something that adds flourish.

01:04:23.000 Just like you're saying, you're talking about the band.

01:04:25.000 But one dealer owner will take that out.

01:04:27.000 They'll be like, this is too dated, I don't like it.

01:04:28.000 And if this wasn't a famous house, it probably already would have been gutted.

01:04:31.000 They kept some of these elements because that's the resale value.

01:04:34.000 And I think the other thing, I saw this video, I'm sure none of the men in this room saw this, but I saw it on my social media, because my algorithm's more feminine than yours, of this girl, you know, she's in her, what, late 20s, early 30s.

01:04:44.000 She's like, we bought a house, so exciting!

01:04:47.000 It was probably built in the early 2000s.

01:04:48.000 It looks beautiful.

01:04:49.000 And she's like, yeah, we're gonna put in, uh, luxury LVP flooring, luxury plank vinyl all over the floor. 0.65

01:04:54.000 They have beautiful hardwood floors.

01:04:56.000 And everyone in the comments is like, why would you do this?

01:04:58.000 She's like, yeah, it's just, I don't know.

01:04:59.000 The other stuff is easier to maintain.

01:05:01.000 I don't like it.

01:05:02.000 And it's very weird to me.

01:05:03.000 Right?

01:05:04.000 But it is becoming more industrial and basic and everything's the same.

01:05:07.000 All the home renovation shows, they go into these places.

01:05:10.000 It's like a beautiful 1920s, 1930s home.

01:05:13.000 They got this hardwood floor.

01:05:14.000 It's covered by the 1970s carpet or the vinyl from the early 2000s.

01:05:18.000 They just kill all the character.

01:05:20.000 And now all these shows are pulling back the layers of the onion to bring back the beauty.

01:05:23.000 And it makes all houses end up looking kind of the same.

01:05:26.000 It's time to do that idea I had a while ago.

01:05:29.000 It's time to execute.

01:05:31.000 And the idea was to get a small hotel, probably not a hotel, but probably a four unit apartment building.

01:05:42.000 And we take each of the two, maybe four two-bedroom apartments, and you convert them into eras.

01:05:51.000 So there's a 90s apartment, an 80s, a 70s, a 60s.

01:05:54.000 Maybe we do five and do a 50s.

01:05:56.000 And when you go into the 90s one, it looks like a house from the 90s.

01:05:59.000 When you turn the TV on, it's got the UHF and the VHF, and it can play only from a specific period.

01:06:05.000 We choose a week in the 90s, we get the actual television archives, and we play them in real time.

01:06:10.000 And then you can go back!

01:06:12.000 At least temporarily.

01:06:13.000 And you can go to the 80s and the 70s and the 60s.

01:06:15.000 You turn the TV on and it's the news in the 60s and you're watching.

01:06:18.000 Then you can change the channel and it's real time, real time.

01:06:21.000 I love it.

01:06:21.000 Over the weekend.

01:06:22.000 My only concern, and I mean this seriously, because we talked about this a couple years ago, is how you deal with the suicides.

01:06:30.000 Oh, for people going to this place?

01:06:31.000 Dude, there's going to be a guy right now who's a Gen X-er who got married in 1998 or whatever to his high school sweetheart who divorced him ten years later and he's going to be crying and he's going to find this place and he's going to go back and he's going to open the fridge and see the 1990s Pizza Hut box and the advertisements.

01:06:48.000 He's going to turn the TV on and he's going to start crying and then we're going to have a problem.

01:06:52.000 Cost of doing business.

01:06:53.000 But I got the idea because there was a blockbuster video that converted a part of their lobby into a one-night-only Airbnb that was the 90s.

01:07:02.000 Well, you're bringing up nostalgia porn.

01:07:04.000 I mean, that's when you know.

01:07:05.000 I hate to be so, like, a Debbie Downer, but we have so much nostalgia.

01:07:10.000 Particularly on like our generation, millennials, even zoomers, for a time past and there's an entire industry, a cottage industry, being developed to serve the needs of that nostalgia because people are trying to yearn to go back. 0.90

01:07:21.000 You didn't really see this, you know, in these decades you're describing.

01:07:24.000 It's very much a modern phenomenon.

01:07:26.000 But you drive around, you go to France, you go to Spain, and you look at this old architecture and how amazing it was.

01:07:36.000 I think it was Seamus who was saying, the reason for it is because that was media.

01:07:41.000 How you conveyed a great work and a symbol was in the structures you were building that people would see.

01:07:46.000 Now it's...

01:07:47.000 Something else.

01:07:47.000 It's videos.

01:07:48.000 It's paintings.

01:07:49.000 It's tweets or whatever.

01:07:50.000 So people don't really care anymore.

01:07:52.000 But you look at modern developments.

01:07:53.000 Look, I gotta be honest.

01:07:55.000 I rode my bike down the street.

01:07:56.000 I skated today.

01:07:57.000 I got all sweaty.

01:07:58.000 I said, I'm gonna go on my bike and just, you know, 30 back and forth and just, just cool down.

01:08:02.000 And they've got this housing development and all of those are identical.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:05.000 And that's of course, if you go to the south side of Chicago, the exact same thing.

01:08:08.000 And I'm sure it's the same in most urban developments.

01:08:11.000 All these identical houses.

01:08:13.000 At the very least, when I was a kid, all the houses were different colors.

01:08:17.000 It's like, you know, my house was like reddish, or whatever, and the house was white next to me, and the house to the other side, mine was more like beige-orange, and the house to the left was red, and the house to the right was white.

01:08:28.000 And then there was wallpaper, and everyone kind of made it their own space.

01:08:31.000 Now you go and look at the new developments, and they're like, we're putting in a new library.

01:08:34.000 It's a white cube.

01:08:36.000 With just aluminum and white.

01:08:38.000 It's awful.

01:08:38.000 And beyond the developments, it's the cities in general.

01:08:41.000 I mean, the architecture, these giant steel, you know, glass structures, they could be anywhere in the world.

01:08:46.000 I mean, the United States, we had beautiful cities not that long ago.

01:08:49.000 You go back a hundred years, you look at our cities, it looked like we lost a war.

01:08:54.000 You go to all these major cities, places now you would think of as kind of, you know,

01:08:58.000 dumpy, not exactly a great place to live. We had amazing cities and we collectively

01:09:02.000 destroyed them after World War II, you know, with the highway system and building, you know,

01:09:06.000 car-centric... Wait, you think the highway system destroyed Wales?

01:09:09.000 They... tons of American cities.

01:09:11.000 They put the highway right through some of the hearts of these cities.

01:09:14.000 You look at places like Cincinnati, other places.

01:09:16.000 They had entire thriving communities and they just, the entire highway system, eminent domain, right through the heart of it.

01:09:22.000 They tore down everything else to build parking.

01:09:23.000 They changed the laws, the setback laws.

01:09:26.000 They required, you know, certain regulations in terms of mixed use and all these other things.

01:09:30.000 All of a sudden, all these great cities that we had across the country with their own unique architecture, unique, you know, culture, development.

01:09:36.000 All got destroyed, at the same time we start to lose our regional accents, a lot of these things that made different parts of the country unique and different, architecture, etc.

01:09:45.000 So are you anti-highway system?

01:09:47.000 No, but, you know, they did it in a poor way.

01:09:49.000 They were, you know, this post-war energy, end of history. 0.94

01:09:53.000 You remarked about the loss of different regional cultures and stuff like that, and that would imply that the highway system is a bad thing, because the reason that they would lose the regional Flavor would be because people can move around too easily.

01:10:08.000 We're putting gargoyles in the building.

01:10:10.000 We should!

01:10:10.000 So we got gutters put in and they're big black plastic tubes that just ride down and spray the water.

01:10:16.000 No!

01:10:17.000 We will put up gargoyles and then what happens is the rainwater runs into the gargoyles and then it comes out the gargoyles mouth and sprays it away from the building to stop the erosion.

01:10:28.000 I think that's, I mean, these are things that people do when they love a place, they believe they're going to be a long time, they give it personality.

01:10:34.000 And that was true of the cities, right?

01:10:36.000 Like if you're walking in, you know, the West Village in New York, you know you're not in the middle of Dallas, Texas.

01:10:41.000 Correct.

01:10:42.000 But there are historic parks of Dallas that have, you know, their own development.

01:10:46.000 Dallas comes to mind for me because I had spent time there when it was growing a lot and there were lots of, like you're talking about, apartment complexes that could be anywhere.

01:10:53.000 They all kind of look the same.

01:10:55.000 I think What you're talking about reminds me of Cumberland, Maryland.

01:10:58.000 I don't know if anyone else has driven through it, but there's a highway that goes through it and you're literally like looking at these old sort of Victorian style row houses, but you are basically eye to eye with probably someone's bedroom window because it really looks like they just put the highway down the middle of it.

01:11:12.000 And, you know, I think regionalism in America, I think regional culture is incredibly important.

01:11:17.000 I think it's one of the things that we see it in.

01:11:19.000 that began to take away the overarching American culture.

01:11:23.000 And I think, you know, I'm not anti-highway, but I do think ultimately highway was about people who

01:11:29.000 benefited from making money off of it and the governments that were like, it's just easier for us to put

01:11:33.000 it there than about preserving the communities that they ran through. Look at Robert Moses.

01:11:37.000 I mean, the left is good on this topic.

01:11:38.000 This is one of the few topics where the left, or some voices on the left rather, are a little bit more nuanced and have a better sense of things about preserving the architecture, preserving the history, preserving beautiful cities, making these more communities rather than just areas for, you know, the yuppie transient to live for a few years and then move on to the development with no soul.

01:11:55.000 So these are things that, you know, I think people on the right should talk about.

01:11:58.000 Talk about, you know, beautifying these cities, making these cities work for people rather than, you know, working for, you know, cars or corporations or whatever they are.

01:12:06.000 And be centered around community.

01:12:07.000 Correct.

01:12:07.000 I mean, I think about this with like subdivision developments, a lot of them, some of them in some cities will make requirements that are like every couple miles you have to have a park, right?

01:12:14.000 You destroy these working class, you know, white ethnic communities. 1.00

01:12:17.000 There's a lot of, there was a lot of articles written about this that these like, you know, these neighborhoods in Boston or New York, et cetera, they had really tight, you know, familial cultural bonds.

01:12:25.000 They all got dispersed.

01:12:26.000 They all got suburbanized, sent to the suburbs.

01:12:28.000 And then what was left became, you know, basically a ghetto and these areas just basically fell apart.

01:12:33.000 Let's jump to this next story.

01:12:34.000 I want to take the opportunity to actually talk about the Trump interview and take your questions in the Super Chats if you have any questions in this segment before we go into full Super Chats.

01:12:43.000 But addressing some of the things that he told us and then hear what you guys have to say.

01:12:46.000 Of course, we'll start with the most important story.

01:12:49.000 Trump calls Starstruck podcaster a beauty.

01:12:52.000 When he reminds Trump, you complimented my face.

01:12:55.000 In all seriousness, I can't believe they actually wrote this. 0.97

01:12:57.000 It's the silliest thing ever. 0.55

01:12:59.000 It was the first three seconds and it lasted a second. 0.62

01:13:02.000 It's also incorrect.

01:13:03.000 Like, this article has mistakes in it, which I think is kind of funny.

01:13:06.000 Yeah, this is really funny.

01:13:07.000 They say, uh, what is it?

01:13:08.000 Like, the wide... What is it?

01:13:10.000 Where is it mentioned?

01:13:10.000 They're saying, like, the wide-ranging interview in the last 17 minutes, but it kicked off with Trump causing a noticeable shift in the show's atmosphere as co-host Hannah Clare caught... Thank you for getting my double name right.

01:13:20.000 That's nice.

01:13:21.000 Caught a glimpse of him entering and offered a stunned greeting.

01:13:24.000 That's not true at all.

01:13:25.000 We recorded in the morning, several hours apart.

01:13:28.000 I sign off the show, pretty regularly, you guys know, by saying, bye Serge or hi Serge.

01:13:32.000 And when Serge is not in camera view, I had switched it the night before.

01:13:35.000 I said, bye Tim.

01:13:37.000 And as a joke, because I knew you were going to cut the interview in, I was like, hi, President Trump.

01:13:41.000 But I just have to clarify for media, if any of our reporters are listening, you got this totally wrong.

01:13:46.000 There are different rooms.

01:13:47.000 Or it's the same room, but totally different lighting.

01:13:50.000 Hours apart?

01:13:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:52.000 So Trump was supposed to come in at, we were told, 7 o'clock.

01:13:56.000 We'd sit down for half an hour.

01:13:57.000 He was running late.

01:13:59.000 Totally get it.

01:14:00.000 And we were able to get about 17 minutes.

01:14:02.000 But some of the big news that actually came out, we have this.

01:14:05.000 Trump suggests he'll give immunity to police to carry out mass deportations of illegal

01:14:10.000 We have no choice.

01:14:12.000 He didn't necessarily tie immunity to mass deportations.

01:14:14.000 He said, we have to restore immunity for police.

01:14:17.000 And he said, we will use local police to carry out the mass deportations.

01:14:23.000 I thought this was one of the most important because Trump has said he's going to engage in the largest mass deportation effort in history.

01:14:32.000 He mentioned, I think it was Eisenhower?

01:14:34.000 Yeah, Operation Wetback.

01:14:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:36.000 What a crazy name for an operation back in the day.

01:14:40.000 Well, the issue is, how do you engage in a large deportation without expansion of the federal government?

01:14:45.000 Without either putting a lot of money into federal authorities to carry out these deportations, or spending tons of money on vehicles, trains, cars.

01:14:52.000 He said, local police will do it.

01:14:56.000 Now, I don't know if that gives us enough information as to how it really goes down, but the idea of local police, that's gonna mean the federal government will have to provide funding to all of these local police departments, a mass refunding of the police.

01:15:09.000 Now, of course, a lot of people are saying, Most people are saying, you know, great interview, we're glad these questions got asked.

01:15:16.000 You know, talking about the mass deportations, ending the wars, pardoning Assange, things like that.

01:15:20.000 But of course there are some people saying, why didn't you ask this?

01:15:24.000 Why didn't you push back on that?

01:15:26.000 Because I was told I had 15 minutes to ask my questions.

01:15:29.000 So I'm not going to spend 20 minutes arguing with the with the president over what he means when he says something.

01:15:36.000 When I asked him how he would carry this out.

01:15:39.000 And he said, oh, we're gonna you know, the police, they got to protect our police officers.

01:15:42.000 And then I said, but how I asked again, how do you do it?

01:15:45.000 He said, police officers, when I asked about the prosecution of Fauci, he and he and he explained, you know, Fauci wasn't that big of a deal.

01:15:52.000 And he shut down gain of function research, I said, but will there be accountability to which he said yes.

01:15:57.000 So he I don't know.

01:15:59.000 That, and he said that he would give very serious consideration to pardoning Julian Assange.

01:16:04.000 I gotta be honest, when he answered that, I thought it was kind of a wishy-washy, you know, we'll see kind of answer.

01:16:09.000 That didn't really matter, but it made the headlines anyway.

01:16:11.000 Yeah.

01:16:12.000 I mean, I think it's challenging to do an interview with limited time, and you have to kind of hit the most important topics.

01:16:18.000 Like you're saying, if you had spent the whole time being like, Well, let's go into extreme detail on this one issue.

01:16:24.000 You know, you wouldn't have gotten the broad range.

01:16:28.000 I liked watching this interview, because again, just to clarify, I was not there.

01:16:31.000 I did not meet Trump.

01:16:33.000 But in the background, you can hear that the convention is going on.

01:16:36.000 Like, you can hear the cheering and booing.

01:16:38.000 And that was, you know, I do think it's funny that I thought you were sitting there and Trump walked in.

01:16:42.000 You went, hi, Trump!

01:16:42.000 They think that Trump just wandered into our podcast.

01:16:45.000 Like, that's the most bizarre take I've ever heard.

01:16:47.000 You think Secret Service was just like, okay, podcasters, stay calm.

01:16:50.000 We're going to bring, like, no.

01:16:52.000 I'm sorry for confusing you guys, I guess.

01:16:55.000 I think that there are a lot of questions that Trump is going to face, you know, going through November.

01:17:01.000 I'm sure you've had to clarify some of these things too, Gavin.

01:17:04.000 You know, where we have people who want something really badly and it is difficult for him to take a firm stance on it.

01:17:10.000 Like, I think about his response, again, during his first town hall that CNN hosted when he said, you know, I'm going to look into what happened with all of the January 6th political prisoners.

01:17:20.000 That's my editorial take.

01:17:23.000 And we're gonna review their cases, and as many of them as we can pardon or let go, you know, we are gonna do it.

01:17:27.000 But I think it's fair for him to say, I have to look into this thing.

01:17:30.000 If he just told you what you wanted to hear all the time, he'd be, you know, probably not the politician that we need.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, I've heard from a decent amount of people that his answers are a lot of what we already knew, but a little bit further in some areas.

01:17:44.000 I feel like the whole entire campaign, both sides, it's... I don't feel like there's gonna be any kind of ground broken, so I feel like the...

01:17:52.000 Any interviews and stuff that you get, whether it be with Trump or Biden, I think the most news that you're going to get out of them is if Biden has a gaffe, or Biden does something ridiculous.

01:18:03.000 Otherwise, everyone kind of knows that Trump is going to be able to get through whatever kind of interviews you have.

01:18:08.000 He's going to be Trumpy.

01:18:09.000 He's going to be himself.

01:18:10.000 He's going to do the same things that he did for the four years that he was the president.

01:18:14.000 And Biden, if he does any interviews, which I would like to see more, clearly, because I think that that only raises the chances of him making a I'm just happy that we've normalized mass deportations.

01:18:25.000 be the only news that's really kind of in the cards. Or at least that's what I think that people

01:18:29.000 have resided themselves to. I'm just happy that we've normalized mass deportations. I mean,

01:18:34.000 you know, 10, 15 years ago, having a major presidential candidate saying he wants to

01:18:38.000 initiate mass deportations, utilizing local police officers.

01:18:43.000 You know, that would be a radical position.

01:18:45.000 The Overton window has shifted so far in such a short period of time that now we're here talking about, like, well, is he really going to just use local police to deport them all, or is he going to build out a federal bureaucracy?

01:18:55.000 Okay, I mean, I like that that's the discussion.

01:18:58.000 I like that that's the point of contention, is how he's going to do the mass deportation, rather than are we going to have it or not?

01:19:04.000 So, you know, silver linings, taking these things with a What are we getting Biden on the podcast?

01:19:09.000 Yeah, right.

01:19:11.000 We had RFK Jr.

01:19:12.000 and Donald Trump.

01:19:13.000 Tremendous respect to RFK Jr.

01:19:14.000 for sitting down for two hours.

01:19:16.000 What's his name?

01:19:16.000 The libertarian guy?

01:19:17.000 Chase Oliver.

01:19:18.000 I think that'd be a fantastic episode, actually.

01:19:20.000 But it really depends because, you know, I was thinking about this.

01:19:24.000 You get this guy who's basically like an antifa leftist and The Libertarian Party is in, like, it's been in civil war with itself for years, and a lot of the most prominent, high-profile individuals are rejecting Chase Oliver outright.

01:19:42.000 So, I don't know if I view him as a legitimate voice of the Libertarian Party, and so the question is, Would I have him on in any other circumstance?

01:19:55.000 Well, he's not a particularly prominent individual.

01:19:58.000 I don't know what he necessarily adds.

01:19:59.000 Now that he is the nominee, there is the reasonable, well, sure, why wouldn't we have him on the show?

01:20:04.000 What we try to do with guests on this show is not, it's not about having the biggest follower count in the world.

01:20:08.000 It's about being an active political commentator.

01:20:11.000 And so we get a lot of people who are like, hey, I know somebody who is like a research scientist in, you know, metals or whatever.

01:20:17.000 And it's like, can they comment on the news?

01:20:20.000 Because we are a topical news commentary show.

01:20:22.000 And it's like, no, it's like, well, then maybe the Culture War is better, because that's why we set that show up in the first place.

01:20:27.000 So Culture War Friday mornings.

01:20:29.000 If we were going to have him on, it probably would make more sense on the Culture War, now that he is a Libertarian nominee.

01:20:35.000 But I also, I feel, man, with the Libertarian Party, they really just took a dump on the floor.

01:20:41.000 I don't know how else to put it.

01:20:42.000 I would like to see us get Jeremy Kaufman much more than I would like to see Chase.

01:20:46.000 Well, he's been on the show before.

01:20:47.000 Jeremy Kaufman?

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:48.000 Okay.

01:20:50.000 And how about we have him and Chase on The Culture War?

01:20:53.000 That would be hilarious!

01:20:55.000 That would be hilarious.

01:20:57.000 I'll reach out to Lisa and try and set that up myself.

01:21:00.000 That'd be great.

01:21:01.000 The other big thing that came out of the Trump interview, of course, is the prosecuting Fauci and many other people.

01:21:07.000 I want to clarify something, too, because being strapped for time in this interview, you don't really get a lot of time to break things down.

01:21:14.000 When I said one of the Libertarian presidential nominees said he wants to see Fauci, the heads of Moderna, Pfizer, Biden, and you locked up for what happened during COVID, I don't agree with them, but there is a big sentiment.

01:21:24.000 Elon Musk tweeted, prosecute Fauci.

01:21:26.000 Fauci lied to Congress about gain-of-function research that was going on.

01:21:29.000 You know, Trump then jumps in.

01:21:31.000 I'll clarify.

01:21:32.000 I don't agree that Donald Trump himself should be prosecuted.

01:21:36.000 And for this case in particular, I'm not so sure Biden either.

01:21:40.000 But Fauci lied to Congress.

01:21:42.000 He lied to Rand Paul.

01:21:44.000 It was the most ridiculous testimony I've ever heard, where he's like, did you, you know, was, were you funding gain-of-function research? 0.81

01:21:51.000 No. 0.87

01:21:52.000 We were just funding research into viruses that made them more, you know, virulent and enhanced their abilities.

01:21:59.000 And then Rand's like, which is the little definition of gain-of-function research?

01:22:02.000 No.

01:22:04.000 And so this guy needs to be prosecuted.

01:22:05.000 Trump's response was, uh, so, you know, he, he jumps in, he says, you know, uh, oh, I, I stopped Fauci, or Fauci didn't really have a, wasn't a big player in my administration, and I'm the one who shut down gain of function.

01:22:16.000 I said, will there be accountability, accountability for the lying to Congress when you get to appoint your new AG?

01:22:22.000 And Trump said, yeah, we'll take a look at a statute, at statute of limitations, because you know, the statute of limitations are quite long.

01:22:29.000 I feel like the challenge with this is, if someone were to ask me, like if I was running for office, and someone said, actually I'll put it this way, if you're going to engage in a legal battle, you never publicly announce it before you do.

01:22:42.000 This is a challenge that Trump faces because a lot of people are saying, I want Trump to outright say, we will prosecute these people.

01:22:51.000 Right.

01:22:51.000 giving them advance warning to start destroying documents and getting their lawyers in.

01:22:58.000 You can't do it.

01:22:59.000 So everybody wants to know that he will, but how does he answer that without sending a

01:23:05.000 signal?

01:23:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:07.000 And it can't seem political, obviously, but listen, I mean, I think the sentiment is in the right place.

01:23:11.000 We need to bring some reciprocity back to the system.

01:23:13.000 We're talking about this case in New York.

01:23:15.000 We're talking about all these federal cases, this political lawfare.

01:23:18.000 I mean, this is not going to stop until the left recognizes that it could happen to them.

01:23:22.000 And up until now, they've operated with impunity and they've thought, you know, we don't have to deal with these types of things.

01:23:27.000 The right are too weak. 0.99

01:23:29.000 They're too, you know, cowardly.

01:23:30.000 To dare, you know, hold us accountable for our many, you know, transgressions and crimes, or at least be, you know, reciprocal in how we, you know, dole out the lawfare. 0.62

01:23:39.000 I think, you know, I agree with you.

01:23:41.000 Don't talk specifics.

01:23:42.000 Don't give them an ability to, you know, wipe out their computers and all the rest.

01:23:46.000 But I think we're never going to advance as a country until we return to that reciprocity, because right now it's open political warfare, but it's only coming from one side to the other rather than back and forth.

01:23:56.000 It'll stop overnight the second they realize that they could be held to account.

01:23:58.000 Well, it's no secret that I believe we are in some kind of civil conflict.

01:24:03.000 Low intensity.

01:24:05.000 Or no intensity.

01:24:06.000 Just political manipulation, information, power struggles, and things like that.

01:24:09.000 Maybe it'll never reach the point of heat.

01:24:12.000 Maybe it'll always be a cold civil war.

01:24:15.000 I mean, look, they're trying to put the frontrunner for the presidency in prison. 0.68

01:24:19.000 This is not a normal circumstance.

01:24:22.000 We are not having elections.

01:24:24.000 You know, look, with the Libertarian Party, something fascinating happened where Michael Recktenwald, who's been on the show several times, was the frontrunner.

01:24:31.000 He actually won the first several rounds of voting for the nomination.

01:24:35.000 And then a guy who was in third place pledged to run as the vice presidential candidate for Chase Oliver, who was in second place, if they voted for Chase Oliver, which put them above Michael Recktenwald.

01:24:46.000 You know the guy's a former police officer?

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:49.000 Former cop, bureaucrat, all that stuff.

01:24:51.000 I don't understand.

01:24:53.000 And so he told the Libertarian Party, I will be his VP.

01:24:57.000 Everyone back Chase instead of Michael.

01:24:59.000 Michael walks away from the, uh, you know, there's a video of him saying, he's like, I can't believe it.

01:25:06.000 I, I didn't do any backroom deals.

01:25:08.000 I didn't do any politicking.

01:25:09.000 I just said, here's who I am.

01:25:10.000 Here's what I'm running for.

01:25:11.000 Pick me.

01:25:12.000 And then they cut a deal with each other to, to shut him out.

01:25:16.000 The second and third place winning against the guy in first place.

01:25:21.000 Now, imagine that at the national level.

01:25:22.000 The Democrats are not having elections.

01:25:25.000 Donald Trump in 2020 said, I'm the best, vote for me, here's why, thinking that wins you elections.

01:25:31.000 And the Democrats went, manipulate the system in any way so that we have more pieces of paper with names on it.

01:25:37.000 That's where we're currently at.

01:25:38.000 It is not a functioning legitimate system.

01:25:42.000 I should say, I don't even know how you describe that.

01:25:44.000 We are no longer a system where we have a conversation about the issues and decide how to run things.

01:25:50.000 It is one faction, the Democrats, smashing everything with sledgehammers Refusing to let go of any power that they have.

01:25:58.000 And then you have Donald Trump and the right being like, well, while you're smashing things, can I please argue why we are right and you should not smash them?

01:26:04.000 The Democrats stopped making our arguments at least 10 years ago, right?

01:26:11.000 It was they had they had.

01:26:14.000 Basically given up probably when Mitt Romney ran against against Obama.

01:26:20.000 But then when Donald Trump came, then they were just like, OK, there's no more arguments. 0.98

01:26:24.000 It's all just racist bigot. 0.92

01:26:27.000 That's all whatever it is.

01:26:29.000 Yeah, there's there's no arguments being made from the left anymore at all.

01:26:32.000 It's post-persuasion.

01:26:33.000 It's tribal. 0.64

01:26:34.000 You have these elections.

01:26:35.000 It doesn't matter what your views are, who you are.

01:26:37.000 You have a certain segment of the population that's always going to vote for you, and you want to continue to grow that segment.

01:26:42.000 And look, I respect them.

01:26:44.000 They are ruthless political operators.

01:26:46.000 They understand that power is an art.

01:26:48.000 It's a science.

01:26:49.000 They're trying to master it in many ways, and they're trying to perfect it, and they're doing that.

01:26:53.000 They're being ruthless and cunning, Machiavellian, and they're bringing guns to a gunfight.

01:26:58.000 We're bringing, I don't know, nothing to these fights, frankly.

01:27:01.000 Lawyers?

01:27:02.000 We're bringing, yeah, sometimes lawyers, even that, I think that's, we rarely bring that.

01:27:06.000 So, look, they're going to continue to win if they're operating like this, and that's just the calculus.

01:27:10.000 I mean, they get it, they're playing for keeps, and we're not.

01:27:13.000 I don't know that they're going to win, to be honest, because the breaking point is different.

01:27:19.000 The Democrats have no breaking point.

01:27:23.000 Democrats don't care. 0.99

01:27:23.000 The Democrat voters are default liberals who aren't really paying attention, who have no idea what's going on. 0.99

01:27:29.000 Those that are starting to wake up because of, say, I don't know, the border invasion, you've got these people in New York and in Chicago who are like, why is my community center overrun with illegal immigrants?

01:27:38.000 What's happening?

01:27:40.000 They're being shocked into the system.

01:27:41.000 Now they're going to vote for Trump.

01:27:43.000 The Democrats don't have a breaking point.

01:27:45.000 If they keep stealing power, it is the right that has the breaking point where they just say, OK, that's it.

01:27:50.000 Constitution of state.

01:27:51.000 I'm sorry.

01:27:52.000 Convention of states.

01:27:53.000 We're shutting this thing down.

01:27:55.000 It's a good point.

01:27:56.000 I think you're touching on, you know, the other element here is that they're overplaying their hand.

01:28:00.000 You know, they could get away with this, but they've accelerated what they've been trying to do a lot faster because of the rise of President Trump.

01:28:08.000 They're responding emotionally.

01:28:09.000 They're responding arrogantly.

01:28:11.000 They're, you know, just overplaying things.

01:28:13.000 They're pushing the envelope too far.

01:28:14.000 They don't have anything else.

01:28:15.000 They have nothing else, so they're doubling down, they're tripling down, and, you know, had they been able to operate in a world, frankly, without President Trump, I think it would have been a little bit different.

01:28:22.000 Had Hillary won, had they continued to do this more slow march through the institutions, more of their Fabian-style takeovers of things, they could have got to a point where we woke up one day and they already had solidified everything. 0.80

01:28:33.000 But unfortunately, there's been some, you know, rough currents along the way, and they're recalibrating, and they're not doing such a good job at it.

01:28:41.000 Indeed, indeed.

01:28:43.000 But I think that ultimately what happens when, you know, we were talking earlier about meritocracy and, you know, what happens to the system.

01:28:50.000 The right is the more matocratic side. 0.52

01:28:52.000 They're having kids, they're teaching their kids.

01:28:53.000 The left is not.

01:28:55.000 If the left tries to steal power and, you know, let's say November.

01:28:59.000 I mean, look, we're, what, five months and a week away from what is going to be nuts.

01:29:08.000 If the Democrats end up winning, the right may reach its breaking point.

01:29:12.000 Now, I don't know what that means.

01:29:14.000 It just means that maybe there's, like, it's a no-confidence system where the Democrats just can't keep stealing power and smashing things with sledgehammers.

01:29:23.000 My fear is you end up with people on the right in their small towns just saying, OK, that's it.

01:29:29.000 We're basically divesting.

01:29:31.000 We hereby secede, and we don't need your authority because you have none.

01:29:34.000 You're illegitimate. 1.00

01:29:37.000 When Antifa goes Antifa, and they go around smashing things, nothing really happens, because they're aimless and they're stupid. 0.99

01:29:44.000 But when the meritocratic side decides, in the same way we have no confidence in the system, they start building systems, they start taking over, and they have training, strategy, logistics. 0.92

01:29:54.000 So if in the event the Democrats steal power in some way, Arresting Trump or otherwise, you may just see the right organize in a way, like, their breaking point is, okay, now we organize at the local level and we sever ourselves from the other governments.

01:30:09.000 South Africa, they're doing that there with the Afrikaners in Orania. 0.96

01:30:13.000 They're just separating, you know, building their own state, you know, within a state.

01:30:16.000 I mean, that's kind of the sort of the decline we're looking at.

01:30:19.000 It's not going to be this explosive Spanish Civil War style event.

01:30:23.000 It's just going to be this decline to the point that we're all basically going our separate ways.

01:30:28.000 The legitimacy of the federal government, we can't do, I don't think we can do things the way that other countries can.

01:30:35.000 Like, the United States is unique in the world.

01:30:39.000 There's no question about that.

01:30:41.000 And because of the fact that, you know, the phrase is, when the United States sneezes, the rest of the world gets a cold.

01:30:48.000 The U.S.

01:30:49.000 having significant problems, like political problems, about the actual, like, Cracks in the foundation, however you want to phrase it.

01:30:58.000 If there's actual question about the legitimacy of the federal government, that's going to have consequences globally.

01:31:06.000 That's going to mean that China and Russia are going to notice and they are going to do things that are going to put their countries into better positions globally.

01:31:17.000 And that will put them into conflict with the United States.

01:31:20.000 So the idea that this is a only in the US thing.

01:31:25.000 This election that's coming up, if the frontrunner's in jail, and people are still going to vote for him, the rest of the world, what they do is, it's totally up in the air.

01:31:38.000 We don't have a real solid knowledge of how things work in China or in Russia.

01:31:47.000 And I think that the Ukraine invasion made that pretty clear.

01:31:53.000 I don't think that that I just think that the the possibilities for things to go bad are numerous, especially when you don't see the stuff that they're talking about putting Trump in jail today and stuff.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, I think I think the fact that the rest of the world watches our news and is kind of waiting to see what happens because a lot of countries had elections to your Russia's election to India's elections this year.

01:32:12.000 But because America has such, you know, military and economic influence over the world.

01:32:18.000 You know, I do think that certain countries are kind of waiting till, you know, the day after our election to decide what they're going to do next.

01:32:26.000 I don't know that you'll see necessarily an escalation of China and Taiwan until China knows who it's going to have to deal with from America.

01:32:34.000 You know, you could broker any kind of deal right now with Russia to stop the Ukraine war until you see the results of the election because there's no incentive, right?

01:32:45.000 They know they just have to wait out the next couple of months and then decide how they're going to proceed and deal with the US for the next four years after that.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, nothing's in isolate.

01:32:53.000 Everything is acting, you know, globally across the world.

01:32:56.000 And listen, we've squandered our Pax Americana, we squandered our unipolarity, you know, we emerged out of the Cold War in the 90s, you know, with this very strong unified country, you know, we had these national bonds and national consensus, you know, we were still strong industrial power.

01:33:10.000 We had a semblance of, you know, of patriotism and we squandered it.

01:33:14.000 We de-industrialized, we opened the borders, we got involved in forever wars, and now we're

01:33:18.000 dealing with a multipolar world order that we don't want to accept or recognize, and

01:33:22.000 we're dealing with situations where they're completely out of our control.

01:33:25.000 You know, we talk about the incompetence at home, we talk about the incompetence in DC,

01:33:28.000 that was all manifested first and foremost, not domestically, but actually internationally.

01:33:32.000 You saw our incompetence just, you know, laid bare with everyone just being able to, you

01:33:37.000 know, take advantage of us globally.

01:33:39.000 That's the sort of stuff that President Trump was talking about.

01:33:41.000 Just look what's happening with Russia, Ukraine, look what's happening between China and Taiwan,

01:33:45.000 and all these other different conflicts across the world.

01:33:47.000 I mean, no one takes us seriously anymore.

01:33:49.000 They see, you know, that Biden is the emperor with no clothes.

01:33:51.000 They see that we're a declining power.

01:33:53.000 And while they're still going to take, you know, our elections and domestic affairs into consideration, that becomes waned with every passing day.

01:34:01.000 Every day that goes by, we're less of a factor.

01:34:03.000 And they're operating on their own.

01:34:04.000 They're elevating their own currencies.

01:34:06.000 They're doing their own thing.

01:34:07.000 And we're just falling further and further behind.

01:34:08.000 I do think it's funny that we're saying we're a multipolar world now, as if to imply a unipolar world where we're on top is the norm where we should be.

01:34:18.000 It's kind of crazy if you think about it.

01:34:20.000 No, historically it's not.

01:34:24.000 Most of human history is multipolar.

01:34:26.000 We've had periods of time, particularly in the modern era, where we've seen some unipolarity.

01:34:30.000 We inherited, I guess, de facto from the British, and it was a very short period of time that we actually had a unipolar world order.

01:34:36.000 It was bipolar between the communist countries and the West for a while, the Third World.

01:34:43.000 And now it's developed into a new multipolar world order again.

01:34:45.000 Before this, it was always multipolar.

01:34:47.000 Correct.

01:34:48.000 I mean, even with the Roman Empire, that's just central on the Roman Empire, and then

01:34:51.000 you have to look at the East Asia and… Well, they emerged, you know, they slowly consolidated

01:34:56.000 across the Mediterranean, they became sort of in their area.

01:34:59.000 But my point is that it wasn't even a world power.

01:35:01.000 Correct.

01:35:02.000 It was always just regional, and there were various powers throughout the world to varying

01:35:05.000 degrees, not so much in conflict.

01:35:07.000 And then now we have solidification, essentially.

01:35:12.000 And multipolarity is a check on the sort of excesses of a single unipolar global elite.

01:35:17.000 I mean, because we talk about unipolarity, it's generally the collective West.

01:35:20.000 It's, you know, not just the United States, it's, you know, Western Europe, et cetera,

01:35:23.000 and that sort of collective elite are really out of touch.

01:35:26.000 You have multipolarity.

01:35:27.000 There's competition, competition between states.

01:35:29.000 This is a good thing.

01:35:30.000 It forces them to, you know, rein in their excesses, their excesses of some of these ideological in nature, excesses otherwise.

01:35:38.000 So I think it's a good thing.

01:35:39.000 It's beneficial to the world.

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01:36:31.000 TokenBlackGuy says, howdy people, howdy Clint.

01:36:34.000 Tim, congrats on the Trump interview.

01:36:35.000 If Phil's in the house, can I get a let's go?

01:36:37.000 Let's go!

01:36:40.000 I said what we should do, because the rainbow flag murals is just, like, I'll pay for a Gadsden flag mural in the street somewhere, and then, you know, they will tread all over it. 0.98

01:36:56.000 I think it's good when people leave tire marks on the road.

01:37:02.000 I mean, it's the road.

01:37:04.000 You saw the video, right?

01:37:05.000 This guy was doing donuts and spinning around in the middle of the road.

01:37:08.000 Well, they're charging him with a felony for it, so no, he shouldn't be doing that.

01:37:08.000 Good for him.

01:37:13.000 And spinning around and doing donuts in the middle of the street could get people killed, so probably not a good idea.

01:37:18.000 And I also take the more libertarian approach that if a community wants to pay for paint in the street, they're allowed to, but the idea that they're going to charge someone with a felony For driving on the road is absolutely insane.

01:37:29.000 It's a thought crime, is what they're accusing him of.

01:37:32.000 The doing of donuts is reckless endangerment.

01:37:36.000 That I can agree with.

01:37:38.000 Felony, mischief, or whatever it's like.

01:37:40.000 Dude, there's a guy doing donuts at 2 in the morning.

01:37:42.000 You see takeovers where people have taken over entire intersections and there are multiple cars spinning.

01:37:42.000 Calm down.

01:37:49.000 The police are not pulling anyone over.

01:37:51.000 That stuff is just happening.

01:37:53.000 People getting smacked by cars while they're doing those donuts.

01:37:57.000 They don't care.

01:37:58.000 They do and they go and they actually arrested some of these guys.

01:38:02.000 The police?

01:38:02.000 The takedowns?

01:38:03.000 There was a video where a guy got smacked by a car and then a week later they found three dudes and arrested them all.

01:38:08.000 Well, that's good.

01:38:09.000 You don't see the results very frequently, and they're definitely not news.

01:38:13.000 My thing is, look, if a community wants to paint something in the street, don't destroy it.

01:38:20.000 If they vote to do it, it's done through the proper channels and everything like that.

01:38:24.000 In New York, the governor stole money to print Black Lives Matter in front of Trump's hotel, and that was criminal and illegal, and then had police on it.

01:38:33.000 But if we're going to be any kind of functioning government that believes in the founding principles, then we solve all of these problems through what the Founding Fathers hoped we would solve them with.

01:38:44.000 Sending strongly worded letters.

01:38:46.000 And people don't understand this.

01:38:47.000 The Founding Fathers did.

01:38:48.000 They think the Founding Fathers just got up and... You know this meme where they're like, the Founding Fathers be stacking bodies by now.

01:38:54.000 No, they wouldn't.

01:38:55.000 They literally would not.

01:38:56.000 It was a year into the war before they actually wrote the Declaration of Independence.

01:39:01.000 The Founding Fathers were brilliant, reasonable people who said, we do not want war.

01:39:05.000 Stop.

01:39:06.000 Stop attacking us!

01:39:07.000 And they kept sending petition after petition to the Crown, and the Crown said screw off until finally a year and a month into it, they were like, guys, I think they mean to bring war to us, so... They were far more conservative than the French revolutionaries, people forget that.

01:39:20.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and the French revolutionaries were nuts! 0.99

01:39:22.000 Yeah, completely. 0.87

01:39:23.000 The founding fathers, it was, it was, uh, Lexington and Concord was a year and a month

01:39:26.000 before the Declaration of Independence.

01:39:29.000 It was skirmishes popping up of rebellion against the regulars and the crown, and the

01:39:34.000 crown continuing to say, screw you, have no rights, until finally a year later, the founding

01:39:38.000 fathers were like, all right, well, we're independent then, I guess. 0.98

01:39:43.000 You won't negotiate.

01:39:44.000 You keep attacking us. 0.99

01:39:45.000 And so people seem to think that the Founding Fathers were like, you know, the King's kind of a dick. 0.99

01:39:49.000 Let's go to war with him. 0.99

01:39:50.000 No, no, no.

01:39:51.000 They were very reasonable, very smart.

01:39:53.000 And that's why they made the best nation ever.

01:39:55.000 And we got to function that way.

01:39:57.000 That means if St.

01:39:58.000 Petersburg wants to have a rainbow, they can have a rainbow.

01:40:01.000 And you shouldn't intentionally try and destroy people's stuff.

01:40:04.000 Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff.

01:40:06.000 Well, it's blasphemy laws. 0.88

01:40:06.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.88

01:40:07.000 I mean, that's really what this is.

01:40:08.000 That's why they're treating it differently.

01:40:10.000 I agree with you, you know, obviously, if there's reckless endangerment on the road and things like that, but, you know, these things are being elevated beyond what they should be at a statutory level because it's, you know, it's a secret blasphemy law. 0.95

01:40:21.000 That's not on the books, but that's how they're going to treat it.

01:40:23.000 Well, the escalation of these crimes, like in New York when the dude burned the pride flag and they charge him with a hate crime over it.

01:40:29.000 Well, there were these drunk frat guys that were walking, you know, in the West Village, and they just threw a few of these little plastic, uh, you know, pride flags on the floor, and they tried to charge them with felonies.

01:40:38.000 I mean, it's insane.

01:40:39.000 Wow.

01:40:39.000 It's insane.

01:40:40.000 All right, what do we got?

01:40:42.000 Lexington Daniels says, I've been registered LP since 92.

01:40:45.000 The decline over the past handful of nominees has been a joke.

01:40:49.000 Chase is the punchline, and I'm done.

01:40:51.000 I re-registered Republican last night.

01:40:53.000 Wow.

01:40:54.000 Tons of tweets from tons of people, whether they're admitting it or not, switching to the Republican Party and voting for Donald Trump.

01:41:01.000 Some people have been explicit and just said outright, then Trump it is, like Jeremy Kaufman said that he's going to be voting for Trump after just making fun of Trump supporters.

01:41:11.000 It's funny how a lot of people are like, well, okay, Trump it is, I guess, like with Ron DeSantis' supporters say, I will never do it.

01:41:17.000 And then they see Biden.

01:41:19.000 They're like, I will vote Trump.

01:41:20.000 If you at all care about things like family values, then you have to vote hilariously for Donald Trump because the other two were the trans, the kids candidates, you know, it's like LGBT education in fifth grade and et cetera, et cetera. 0.77

01:41:37.000 So if you have any interest, In seeing any kind of attention being paid to family values, you have to vote for Donald Trump.

01:41:51.000 The fact that we have so much focus on LGBT issues, when we have so many actual family problems, LGBT issues are a small, small minority that don't actually have an effect on most people's lives.

01:42:06.000 Actually things like, you know, single parent homes, those things have a lot of effect on society. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Yeah, marriage rates, single family homes, you know, participation of fathers

01:42:16.000 in raising their children.

01:42:17.000 It is kind of something that I think everyone needs to look the mirror and realize,

01:42:23.000 which is the more we allowed the LGBTQ issues to dominate our social political sphere,

01:42:28.000 the more we did a disservice to ourselves and our neighbors.

01:42:31.000 And I think you're right.

01:42:32.000 For me, I would go back to the open borders thing, right?

01:42:36.000 Like I will never vote for an open borders candidate.

01:42:39.000 There's no way you convince me there's no compromise there.

01:42:44.000 So for the libertarians, there's no way to say, like, we'll fall in line now because they are so divided on some of these key issues.

01:42:50.000 And I understand being dedicated to the philosophy, and I think it's important to have conversations about sort of what you were talking about this weekend, like what small L libertarianism means and how it can influence how you set policy.

01:43:01.000 If you want to see less illegal immigration, you cannot pick an open borders candidate.

01:43:08.000 If you want to see family values become the main focus of our political conversation, you cannot pick someone who is focusing their attention on LGBTQ issues.

01:43:18.000 If someone came out and said, I'm going to lower your tax rate by 10, but it's still going to be 15.

01:43:23.000 Are you going to be against that because you're philosophically opposed to the income tax?

01:43:26.000 No, you want to move things in the right direction on the margin.

01:43:29.000 So if you're going to engage- Not libertarians.

01:43:31.000 Yeah, not libertarians.

01:43:32.000 Not enough of them.

01:43:33.000 Big, big, big L libertarians in the party.

01:43:35.000 There's a lot of- What do you mean? 1.00

01:43:37.000 Big L, big loser. 0.99

01:43:38.000 It's funny how that works out. 0.52

01:43:39.000 There's a lot of libertarians who are sensible who understand that they're going to engage in the political process, not because they're expecting some stateless society overnight, but because they recognize that they can move things in the right direction, they can get their taxes lowered, they can move things in regards to regulations, whatever it may be.

01:43:54.000 They're willing to engage in that process.

01:43:56.000 The LP, I don't know exactly what they're trying to do, probably none of that, but if they want to be engaged, if they do care, they should certainly vote for Trump because that's the only thing they're going to get.

01:44:04.000 Well, the Mises Caucus people might.

01:44:07.000 They'll defect.

01:44:07.000 But Democrats have meetings where they say...

01:44:11.000 The left-leaning progressive urban voter, how do we get as many of them as possible?

01:44:16.000 How do we get the undecided, middle-of-the-road people?

01:44:19.000 Well, we're going to have to advocate for these policies.

01:44:22.000 Done.

01:44:22.000 The Republicans say, the undecided, middle-of-the-road, we got the rural conservatives, how do we get the middle-of-the-road undecideds?

01:44:29.000 Well, you're going to have to advocate for these issues.

01:44:31.000 The libertarians go, I don't care about anyone in this country, I demand that this government do

01:44:37.000 the things that I want them to do.

01:44:39.000 And then they go, guys, those policies are foreign to many of these people. They don't

01:44:45.000 quite understand what you're saying. I don't care. I don't care what Americans want. That's

01:44:49.000 the Libertarian Party.

01:44:50.000 The American people right now are freaking out about the border.

01:44:54.000 And the Libertarian Party is like, we literally don't care that 28% of people were asked, and they said immigration is a crisis.

01:45:01.000 We don't care.

01:45:02.000 We just want the border to be open.

01:45:04.000 So we will push that and get our 0.8% this time around.

01:45:08.000 One adjustment to what you just said, which I fully agree with.

01:45:10.000 Democrats will look at the cohorts of people that vote for them and say, how do we make more of them?

01:45:14.000 So childless, multiple degrees and basket weaving, migrants, whatever it may be, cat ladies. 1.00

01:45:21.000 Let's incentivize the formation of these groups.

01:45:23.000 Make sure those groups continue to grow.

01:45:25.000 Republicans look at our own groups.

01:45:26.000 Oh, we have homeowners, we have small business owners, we have families.

01:45:30.000 Let's do things that don't support them.

01:45:31.000 Let's just do our support our donors.

01:45:33.000 And then, of course, you have the libertarians who are just screaming at the wall.

01:45:36.000 These endless wars that are built, that have been built over 80 plus years, you cannot just stop with a snap of a finger.

01:45:45.000 Donald Trump sets a timeline for Afghanistan withdrawal, tries to get our troops out of Syria, negotiates the Abraham Accords, tries to make peace with North Korea and Venezuela, imperfectly, and many other places.

01:45:58.000 And the libertarians are like, I don't care.

01:46:02.000 He inherited wars and he didn't shut them down.

01:46:04.000 It's like, well, hold on.

01:46:05.000 He was shutting them down.

01:46:07.000 Well, he didn't do it in a week.

01:46:09.000 He was shutting down the wars in the Middle East.

01:46:11.000 Yeah, well, he increased drone strikes.

01:46:13.000 Right, because as you're withdrawing our forces, you need to have cover.

01:46:18.000 So there's more drone strikes.

01:46:19.000 I admit drone strikes are a bad thing.

01:46:20.000 We don't want any of them.

01:46:22.000 But the goal was to get our troops out.

01:46:24.000 When Joe Biden pulls our troops out without any air cover or logistics, the whole thing implodes and becomes a massive disaster.

01:46:33.000 But I swear I talked to these libertarians and they're like, Trump didn't start any wars, but he was sure engaging in them.

01:46:39.000 And I'm like, yes, because they exist and he has to work to stop them. 1.00

01:46:44.000 It is shocking to me that there are libertarians that are so stupid. 0.99

01:46:49.000 That when you offered a president who literally, the first president in my lifetime to be like, I'm ending these wars, they go, no, not good enough. 1.00

01:46:55.000 Joe Biden should be president.

01:46:56.000 And I'm like, okay, whatever, dude.

01:46:58.000 I would respect them if they didn't vote, and there are some of them that are so puritanical

01:47:02.000 that they refuse to vote, but the ones that actually do vote and actually do this party

01:47:07.000 politicking, they're the ones that make no sense, because it falls exactly into your

01:47:11.000 argument.

01:47:12.000 Why are they even bothering if they're not willing to move the needle forward?

01:47:14.000 Why are they willing to spite, what's the expression, spite your nose, save your face,

01:47:19.000 whatever the expression is?

01:47:20.000 Yes, exactly.

01:47:21.000 That's exactly what they're doing on a larger political scale.

01:47:24.000 I view Libertarians as like, you know, we're all standing here at the bottom of this mountain going, guys, we want to figure out how to get to the top of this mountain.

01:47:33.000 It's a big mountain, how do we get to the top?

01:47:35.000 And the Libertarians go, we should be at the top of the mountain.

01:47:37.000 I'll only vote for someone who gets me to the top of the mountain by next week.

01:47:40.000 It's like, okay, well, it's going to take 10 years to climb our way up.

01:47:44.000 A couple of administrations, a lot of hard work, but we can maybe make it 20% of the way.

01:47:48.000 But nope, nope!

01:47:50.000 Unless you promise me that within one week we're at the top of that mountain, I will not vote for you.

01:47:54.000 And then they go around complaining to everybody about how, you know, when we asked Tim to lead us up Everest, he only got us 20% of the way!

01:48:03.000 You know, why didn't he get us to the summit?

01:48:06.000 Almost sounded Trumpian there for a second. 1.00

01:48:07.000 Yeah, it's just some people are just too stupid. 1.00

01:48:11.000 They're too stupid. 1.00

01:48:13.000 It irks me so much that we're sitting here being like, we literally want to get there, but they built this empire over nearly a century. 1.00

01:48:21.000 You can't have one guy come in and just think it'll happen.

01:48:25.000 The left play the long game.

01:48:26.000 They play generationally.

01:48:27.000 They're not thinking just election cycle.

01:48:29.000 Let's think uni-party establishment.

01:48:30.000 Republicans were involved too.

01:48:31.000 Correct.

01:48:32.000 Agreed.

01:48:32.000 Even better.

01:48:32.000 The uni-party establishment, however you want to describe them, they play at the generational game.

01:48:36.000 They're not playing it just cycle by cycle.

01:48:38.000 They're not demanding things change overnight.

01:48:40.000 They understand this is a game on the margins, moving the needle, and they're going to push it, push it, push it, until they're in the place they want to.

01:48:45.000 The libertarians are just acting like spoiled children.

01:48:47.000 S.A.

01:48:48.000 Federale says, Tim's assessment of corporatist monopolistic forces being the primary factor in libertarian party platforms is correct.

01:48:54.000 I've been wrong all along to defend libertarians from comparisons to libertines.

01:48:58.000 Trump was the guy for this all along.

01:49:01.000 The libertarians like to say the only reason for monopolies is because of government collusion.

01:49:07.000 And that's not true.

01:49:09.000 There is a tendency for massive corporate power and government to merge, but it's not because of one or the other.

01:49:16.000 But the idea that, you know, we have these big tech companies censoring.

01:49:23.000 Yes, it turned out that the governments effectively merged with them.

01:49:26.000 Because they were monopolistic power centers.

01:49:26.000 Why?

01:49:29.000 Bill Gates was running Microsoft and the government brought antitrust against him.

01:49:33.000 It was like the 90s.

01:49:34.000 I think it was like Internet Explorer on the desktop or whatever.

01:49:38.000 So this idea that monopolies don't form is just, it's a non-argument.

01:49:42.000 It's like made up.

01:49:43.000 It's like they have no real argument as to how you combat monopolies.

01:49:45.000 So they say, well, monopolies don't exist.

01:49:47.000 And it's like, okay, that's like saying there's no real communism.

01:49:49.000 Well, that wasn't real communism.

01:49:51.000 Sure.

01:49:51.000 Well, that wasn't a real monopoly.

01:49:53.000 The government was involved.

01:49:54.000 The government got involved because it was a monopoly and they wanted to exercise power over their system.

01:49:58.000 Twitter got so big and exerted so much influence that the feds were like, hey, we can inject ourselves into this.

01:50:03.000 Sometimes it is true.

01:50:05.000 That monopolies form because governments cut deals with them.

01:50:08.000 But, man, you know, look, they talk about private policing, we want to privatize the police force, and they never actually explain how it would be.

01:50:18.000 To be fair, Michael Malice probably had the best argument when he said, well, the mafias negotiate with each other, and they're like private police forces, essentially. 0.92

01:50:25.000 But they become states, that's the thing.

01:50:28.000 All this human society originally started as these small little protective units.

01:50:33.000 Your little clan, your little fiefdom, you know, I'll protect you, you start giving me your grain, start giving me your resources.

01:50:39.000 They eventually develop into states, so I'm trying to figure out how they argue that from the state of nature you don't develop the states.

01:50:45.000 They're trying to argue that having no state is natural.

01:50:49.000 If the argument is, let's reverse course and restart with a market system, then build back up into a monopolistic force system, fine I guess.

01:50:58.000 I figured out a plan for that.

01:51:00.000 But you know what happens if you get private police?

01:51:02.000 Within 20 years, you have a single monopolistic police department.

01:51:07.000 One police station becomes bigger, gets into conflict with a neighboring small-town police station and says, guys, we need to set up an agreement so we figure this out.

01:51:15.000 And then they basically just have a treaty in place.

01:51:18.000 And then eventually the bigger one goes to the boss and says, come work for us, we'll buy you out. 0.79

01:51:23.000 Look at the expansion of England.

01:51:26.000 It's exactly as you described.

01:51:28.000 They're small protectorates.

01:51:29.000 They're not necessarily governmental.

01:51:30.000 They're just forces.

01:51:32.000 And then they take over other villages.

01:51:34.000 Private is no different.

01:51:35.000 Eventually, you have one unaccountable authoritarian police system.

01:51:40.000 And the argument is, yes, but people can choose not to pay, and then the market will decide.

01:51:45.000 And then what happens with the mafia?

01:51:47.000 The mafia comes and smashes up your convenience store with baseball bats because you didn't pay.

01:51:51.000 Well, that's not what we're ta- Oh, come on, dude.

01:51:54.000 I'm not saying the government is good.

01:51:55.000 I'm not saying what we have is good.

01:51:56.000 I'm saying this idea that you can privatize everything makes no sense.

01:51:58.000 And these are the anarcho-libertarians, anarcho-capitalists.

01:52:01.000 I think they're called the minarchists, which are just, you know, kind of like what the United States was for most of our history.

01:52:05.000 A very limited government, which at least makes more sense.

01:52:08.000 But then you still get into the issue with, you have these corporate entities, you have this concentration of wealth.

01:52:13.000 They start to just buy the government.

01:52:14.000 They start to buy politicians.

01:52:16.000 They start to influence it.

01:52:17.000 So it's like a never-ending story.

01:52:19.000 As soon as you start to solve one thing, it becomes a problem in another area.

01:52:23.000 Alright, Quantum Strange Quark says libertarians might have chosen a radical like Oliver, knowing that a good portion of their base would vote for Trump instead.

01:52:30.000 Secret support to save face?

01:52:33.000 I mean, the only explanation there would be that Mike Termat intentionally sabotaged Recktenwald to get the leftist in, so that would happen.

01:52:33.000 Nah.

01:52:42.000 He would be the only one because he was the guy who was in third place and said,

01:52:45.000 pick Oliver and I'll be his VP. And that undercut Clint Russell, who has actually won the straw

01:52:51.000 poll to be the vice presidential pick. So the whole thing just blew up in the Mises caucus' face.

01:52:56.000 What do you think will happen to the Mises caucus going forward?

01:53:00.000 I don't know.

01:53:01.000 Angela McArdle got re-elected as the chair of the LP, so I mean, that's huge.

01:53:07.000 With her, Dave Smith, and Clint as well, but I don't know how involved Clint was, but Angela setting up the LP National Convention with RFK, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Trump, it's the most relevant the LPS ever been.

01:53:21.000 If Dave Smith ran, They might have got more than Gary Johnson.

01:53:29.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:53:30.000 Because, let's break it down.

01:53:32.000 Dave Smith is tall with a deep voice.

01:53:35.000 We got the hard ones out of the way because modern presidents tend to have to be around that.

01:53:39.000 But he's funny, knows the issues, he's quick-witted, and he's friends with Joe Rogan.

01:53:45.000 He goes on the Joe Rogan podcast, what, like three times in the past couple of months.

01:53:49.000 And so that's big.

01:53:50.000 He's got a massive platform to speak to a bunch of undecided, independent, moderate people.

01:53:55.000 He's relatable.

01:53:56.000 He's not far right.

01:53:57.000 He's not a Trump supporter.

01:53:58.000 He actually would have pulled a ton of people from the left and the right.

01:54:03.000 And he couldn't do it.

01:54:05.000 And that's that, you know, he posted on X saying, you know, it's my fault.

01:54:08.000 I let the caucus down or whatever.

01:54:09.000 Rectum walled, I don't think would have done that well.

01:54:11.000 I think he would have done better than Joe Jorgensen, but I don't think he would have done that well at all.

01:54:15.000 So it is what it is.

01:54:16.000 That's what the Libertarians get.

01:54:19.000 I don't know what their backup plan was.

01:54:21.000 They should have had one.

01:54:22.000 They didn't.

01:54:23.000 I mean, I guess if you can't get Dave, what do you have?

01:54:23.000 They needed someone.

01:54:28.000 There's no other personality that was running for the Libertarians that had any chance of action.

01:54:32.000 Well, they've got to recruit someone.

01:54:34.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:54:35.000 So who could they recruit?

01:54:36.000 Who was the guy that stripped?

01:54:38.000 They should just wait for Dave.

01:54:39.000 That was like eight years ago or something.

01:54:41.000 No, didn't he do it again?

01:54:42.000 Wasn't there another strip session?

01:54:43.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:54:44.000 Alex Stein took his pants off during a comedy routine.

01:54:47.000 I guess I was just looking at an old clip.

01:54:48.000 I thought they'd just do it every convention.

01:54:50.000 You think it's just a libertarian tradition?

01:54:51.000 I thought it was a tradition, like a cultural tradition, you know.

01:54:54.000 Polly Puree says, where the hell is Ian?

01:54:57.000 I think he's in Miami.

01:54:58.000 We just launched Ian's Graphene Dream Polly.

01:55:00.000 You should buy it.

01:55:01.000 Casper.com.

01:55:04.000 I actually haven't had a chance to try Ian's graphene dream.

01:55:07.000 It's Ian's!

01:55:08.000 It was Ian's idea, so it's his coffee.

01:55:11.000 I don't know how they came up with it.

01:55:12.000 He wanted low acidity.

01:55:14.000 I don't know.

01:55:15.000 Is that a good thing?

01:55:16.000 I don't know.

01:55:16.000 No idea.

01:55:18.000 Apparently that's a good thing.

01:55:20.000 All right.

01:55:21.000 We are changed.

01:55:22.000 Luke says, I made fun of Clint today on my show.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:30.000 I mean, I don't know how Clint could have even run as VP to chase Oliver.

01:55:34.000 It would have been weird.

01:55:36.000 I don't know.

01:55:36.000 Very weird ticket.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:39.000 Yep.

01:55:39.000 That one probably wouldn't have worked out.

01:55:41.000 I have no idea.

01:55:42.000 That's what I find so fascinating about, like, the Libertarian Party as opposed to, sort of, the political philosophy.

01:55:47.000 That, like, every time they have a convention, they must have to rehash these fundamental issues.

01:55:52.000 Like, if the Republicans have a convention, there might be some that are like, this is how we think we should handle abortion or immigration, you know, maybe we're pro-amnesty and whatever.

01:56:00.000 And, like, these are... the other ones might be like, no amnesty, deport everybody.

01:56:04.000 I think that's a good move.

01:56:05.000 But Ultimately, they can probably reconcile more than some people who are like, we don't want any government, but I want no government and no border, and you want no government and a border.

01:56:16.000 Those are very hard to compromise on.

01:56:17.000 In some ways, it's a bigger tent than the Republican Party.

01:56:19.000 I think it is.

01:56:19.000 Because there's such a bigger spectrum.

01:56:21.000 I mean, when you look at the political, you know, whatever they call it, compass.

01:56:24.000 Right.

01:56:24.000 Libertarians at the bottom, but it ranges from left to right.

01:56:27.000 They do have more to sort of negotiate on.

01:56:30.000 You know what I think it is?

01:56:30.000 I think the only reason the Libertarian Party actually exists functionally Uh, there's like the Green Party, right, but they're not relevant.

01:56:38.000 They've got members.

01:56:39.000 There's a bunch of other parties in this country that you've probably never heard of.

01:56:42.000 The libertarians attract people who are degenerates, who want to be able to do things society normally doesn't allow them to do.

01:56:48.000 It's a hedonistic party. 0.88

01:56:50.000 You've got people who want to do drugs. 0.98

01:56:53.000 Chase Oliver wants to give kids trans drugs.

01:56:56.000 He does.

01:56:57.000 And so what happens is you get someone who's going, well, why can't I, you know, flip my car upside down in the middle of the road and then dump gasoline all over the place?

01:57:07.000 Like, who cares?

01:57:08.000 I'm not hurting anybody.

01:57:09.000 And then they say the Libertarian Party is the closest thing I have to a party that will give me what I want.

01:57:15.000 So the most successful libertarians focused on economics or foreign policy.

01:57:19.000 You look at Ron Paul.

01:57:20.000 Right.

01:57:20.000 Rand Paul.

01:57:21.000 You even look at some of the thinkers like Milton Friedman or Rothbard or von Mises, etc.

01:57:25.000 It was focused on the economic side of the equation.

01:57:28.000 They weren't delving into all this cultural.

01:57:29.000 The social side is just the Democrats but without the freebies.

01:57:34.000 Right.

01:57:34.000 So if you're a libertarian, if you're a left libertarian, you're, you're essentially doing, you're essentially the same thing as, and you know, you want the same things as Democrats.

01:57:42.000 Maybe you're, you have a different opinion on guns.

01:57:45.000 Right.

01:57:45.000 That's basically it.

01:57:46.000 Yeah.

01:57:48.000 All right.

01:57:51.000 Sticks says, or is it Anax Colossi, Tim, I personally got a hard-to-ignore bad omen feeling when he wouldn't confirm that he would seek prosecutions against those traitors.

01:58:00.000 What do you think?

01:58:01.000 I think the issue with me saying people want to seek prosecutions is you can't expect Donald Trump to publicly declare war on the heads of massive multinational corporations before he's got any power.

01:58:17.000 Like, if I were to right now announce that I was suing somebody, no lawyer would probably take the case.

01:58:23.000 They'd be like, no way, you just destroyed your chance of winning a lawsuit. 0.99

01:58:25.000 Are you nuts? 0.91

01:58:26.000 I mean, someone would be like, yeah, pay me up front and I'll bill you for it and I'll file whatever you want me to file. 0.99

01:58:31.000 But if you actually want to win a lawsuit, you prepare everything, keep your mouth shut, then you file.

01:58:37.000 And then let them run their mouths. 0.93

01:58:39.000 So Donald Trump's between a rock and a hard place on this one, where of course the voter base wants to hear him say it, but his lawyers are probably like, don't say anything like that because it'll be turned political.

01:58:49.000 It will negatively impact the pursuit.

01:58:51.000 If Trump gets elected and then an AG does file an indictment against Fauci or bring it to a grand jury, they'll say Trump did it as a political stunt.

01:59:00.000 He's just, he's doing it for politicking, just like the Republicans are saying of Democrats.

01:59:04.000 I think one of the best things he said in the interview is when he alluded to the fact that he trusted the wrong people.

01:59:09.000 He admitted that.

01:59:10.000 He said, I trusted the wrong people in the first term.

01:59:13.000 I've learned a lot since then.

01:59:15.000 I'm not going to do that again.

01:59:16.000 I thought that was one of the bigger takeaways.

01:59:18.000 I agree with you on the prosecution front.

01:59:19.000 You can't just come out there and start leveling all these crazy over-the-top threats and not think there's going to be consequences in the run-up to the election.

01:59:26.000 But I thought that was a massive takeaway from the personnel standpoint.

01:59:30.000 The Elder Millennial says, Tim, this question came up in my college philosophy class back in 2005.

01:59:35.000 What is the difference between ethics and morals?

01:59:38.000 Keep up the fight, cheers.

01:59:40.000 I don't know if there is a deeper philosophical answer that I don't know, based on the definition.

01:59:46.000 My understanding is that ethics is like the professional boundaries of what is deemed acceptable, and morals is what you think is good and right in life.

01:59:57.000 So there's an overlap, but a general distinction.

02:00:00.000 unless there's something else.

02:00:01.000 I always heard that morals are often religiously rooted, whereas ethics don't have to be.

02:00:06.000 Yeah, you have business ethics, things like that, your accounting practices.

02:00:10.000 Yeah, ethics is basically just like we do – these are the things that we consider

02:00:15.000 to be the appropriate and professional way to do things.

02:00:18.000 Ethics aren't always necessarily – like a violation of ethics could be just improper.

02:00:25.000 Right.

02:00:25.000 It's like you spent $50 over the limit.

02:00:28.000 We don't want people doing that, not because it's inherently... So I'll put it this way.

02:00:32.000 If a member of Congress receives a gift of over like $200, It could be an ethics violation.

02:00:39.000 Is it morally wrong?

02:00:40.000 Of course not.

02:00:41.000 It's just, in this circumstance, we are concerned of untoward influence.

02:00:46.000 Giving someone $200 is not a violation of anyone's morals if it was meaningful, and in fact, the ethics rule actually doesn't even apply if you have a prior relationship to the individual.

02:00:55.000 So if you know somebody for 20 years, your friends, actually, if you know someone for a week, and you're friends, and then a week later he goes, hey, I'm running for office, you go, huh.

02:01:02.000 And then he runs for office, you can give him gifts all day and night.

02:01:04.000 It's like, this is my friend before he was running for office.

02:01:06.000 That's apparently the lad.

02:01:07.000 So the ethics is just like how we try to have boundaries and professionalism to avoid the perception of, you know, or to prevent the oncoming of impropriety.

02:01:18.000 And morals are like, don't do bad things, I guess.

02:01:22.000 It's a higher standard.

02:01:24.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:01:24.000 I don't know.

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