On today's show, we talk about the boos at the Libertarian National Convention, the Robert De Niro heckler at the Trump trial, and the growing number of defections from the Libertarian Party. Plus, a new report from Politico says that the DNC is planning a virtual convention to nominate Joe Biden and then hold their own virtual convention later on in the week. We also hear from the founder of the Emerging Populist Majority, Gavin Wax.
00:01:08.000No, that went to Chase Oliver, who is considered to be a leftist, Antifa-supporting, open borders candidate.
00:01:15.000But many of the most prominent libertarians, high-profile individuals, are now all basically saying Trump 2024 because they're not going to vote for Well, a far-left Antifa-supporting Open Borders candidate.
00:01:28.000So, in the end, while Donald Trump didn't even file the paperwork to get the nomination for the Libertarian Party, it's looking like there's going to be a bunch of defectors from the Libertarian Party, and some speculation, we'll see, that the LP will get the lowest turnout it's gotten in recent history.
00:01:45.000You know, they had Gary Johnson eight years ago, and they got three-point-some-odd percent of the vote total, which is their best ever.
00:01:52.000Now, Trump said you can you can get 3% and be losers or vote for him.
00:01:57.000It looks like they're going to be voting for him.
00:01:59.000Plus, Robert De Niro outside the Trump trial getting heckled and accidentally agreeing with the heckler who said that these J6 cops lied under oath and then storming off while screaming at people.
00:02:09.000And there's a new report out from Politico.
00:04:27.000All right, we'll jump to this story here from the post-millennial.
00:04:31.000Libertarians select gay, Antifa-loving, Trump-hating, vaccine-mandate-supporting, open-borders enthusiast as their presidential candidate.
00:04:39.000Oliver, who describes himself as armed and gay, has a history of taking radically left-wing positions.
00:04:44.000And now, this is the official nominee.
00:04:47.000But as most of you know, Donald Trump spoke to the Libertarian Convention and called on them to nominate him.
00:04:52.000Despite the fact that he didn't even file the paperwork to get nominated, I don't think they ever had any real intention of doing so.
00:04:58.000I wonder what their real goal was with appearing there, I guess.
00:05:03.000But in the end, let me show you the results.
00:05:07.000Many people are saying that Donald Trump is the effective winner.
00:05:11.000With the nomination of Chase Oliver, who is pro-Antifa, who is far-leftist, they call him a communist, they say he's for open borders, they call him a left communist, or I'm sorry, a left libertarian, which basically is the libertarian communist, whatever that means, or what is it, libertarian socialist, meaning he agrees with all these cultural issues, ultimately wants these things, But approach it from a no-government perspective.
00:05:40.000The corporations can stomp all over you, but not the government.
00:05:44.000First, we're going to jump over to who do we got here?
00:05:46.000We got Dave Smith, who says, ironically, Chase winning is the best outcome for Trump this weekend, much better than a standing ovation at his speech.
00:05:56.000We then have Austin Peterson, who posted a picture of Lois Griffin from Family Guy staring at a pill bottle, which reads Trump 2024 and Ron Paul libertarians over Lois Griffin.
00:06:31.000You know, I tweeted after this, our secret plan to get Clint to vote for Trump is working perfectly, and he said something to the effect of, like, ah, dammit, you know.
00:07:49.000Here's a post where he's saying he's for open borders.
00:07:51.000So this is basically, long story short, He's basically the antithesis of the Ron Paul Libertarians and the Mises Caucus.
00:07:59.000So basically, the majority of the Libertarian Party, which has controlling voting powers, is probably going to vote.
00:08:07.000For Donald Trump, and this could actually siphon votes away from Joe Biden, showing, I mean, this is your alternative.
00:08:14.000If you're a progressive, you're not voting for Joe Biden.
00:08:17.000This guy is also very anti-war, and I can respect a lot of his positions, but he's very much said he will end the genocide in Gaza, in Palestine.
00:08:26.000So you're likely going to get many progressives voting for him and not Joe Biden, helping Donald Trump, and then Mises caucus, Ron Paul libertarians defecting and voting for Donald Trump.
00:08:37.000If I understand correctly, he was pro-ACA as well.
00:08:42.000So currently, a lot of his positions don't align with where he was like a year or two ago, and so everyone's just calling him a flip-flopper.
00:08:47.000Because I think he claims to oppose it now.
00:09:13.000Okay, saying that businesses can mandate vaccines is a pro-vaccine mandate position.
00:09:20.000What we're getting from a lot of these libertarian types, I'm not sure if Hannah Cox is a, she says he's a rabid capitalist, but she says, this is not a pro-vaccine mandate stance.
00:09:29.000He explicitly says he's against government mandates.
00:09:32.000His position is that a business can determine who they want on their property.
00:09:35.000Whether that be a vaccine requirement or other criteria is a pro-property rights and pro-capitalism stance.
00:09:42.000Except his positions are also the unabated monopolistic capitalist system which would allow corporations, and I think this is actually part of his platform, a single monopoly would be unabated by the government.
00:09:58.000And that would mean That if there's one or let's say there's four insurance companies and the insurance companies all decide anyone who's insured by them has to have mandates then every business has to have mandates and then you the workers and everyone in society has to have mandates and the important thing to understand is the vaccine mandates were not government.
00:10:18.000When the lockdowns and the mandates happened, it was private businesses deciding it's what they wanted.
00:10:24.000And that is, my friends, the Libertarian Party's pro-vaccine mandate candidate.
00:10:30.000But now you understand who this guy is, and why this is going to be a big boost for Donald Trump, and why he has effectively won the Libertarian Party nomination.
00:10:37.000I mean, the best part of the Trump speech at the Libertarian Convention to me was when he said, Libertarians, at their own convention, Libertarians, nominate me for president or give me your votes.
00:10:47.000And it's like the left wing part of that party was like, absolutely, we will give you our votes.
00:11:33.000So really, when President Trump is speaking at their convention, he's addressing, you know, millions of other libertarian-minded people who may not come out and vote.
00:11:40.000Certainly, if they do come out and vote, maybe they're not traditional Republican or conservative or Democrat voters.
00:11:44.000So he's winning over far more people than are actually Libertarian Party members.
00:11:51.000He's going to give the argument, oh, well, you know, a monopoly wouldn't exist without, you know, government involvement.
00:11:55.000He's going to give these extremely, you know, nuanced arguments and the philosophy of it and everything being equal in this kind of equilibrium world that doesn't actually exist.
00:12:03.000But that's the problem with these libertarians.
00:12:06.000So they're going to make these arguments, these lofty arguments about government involvement, the role of the state, et cetera, et cetera.
00:12:11.000But they're not actually looking at the reality on the ground.
00:12:13.000They're not actually looking at real people's problems, what's actually happening.
00:12:16.000Chase is hung up on, like, libertarian ideology, right?
00:12:20.000Like, because the fundamental point that he's making is it's fine if it's not the government, because the government has the monopoly on violence.
00:13:06.000They would have stayed had they selected a better candidate.
00:13:10.000So the fact that people are going to leave the Libertarian Party is because of who the Libertarians selected.
00:13:16.000If Dave Smith had decided to run, there still would probably have been a majority of the left-leaning Libertarians that would have voted for him, though there are some that would have said that he's beyond the pale.
00:13:26.000But still, the idea that it's a big thing for the Libertarians, they're just going to vote for Trump.
00:13:34.000The right-leaning ones are all going to vote for Trump, so it does end up with Trump being the guy that makes out.
00:13:38.000Maybe that was a secret plan all along.
00:13:44.000I'm saying that the idea that, look, if Dave Smith One, he'd pull votes from Trump.
00:13:51.000He'd pull a lot of the more right-leaning, sound borders, we love America people, but who want to see an alternative to the two-party system, who want to see wars ended and don't believe Trump is the guy.
00:14:03.000A lot of these libertarians, it's actually really fascinating me.
00:14:06.000When I'm talking to these guys at the convention, they're like, you really trust Donald Trump will do the things he says?
00:14:39.000And the thing is, like, the big thing that is on the American people's mind right now is the economy.
00:14:46.000And consequently, because of that, immigration is a big contributor to the reasons that they think of the economy.
00:14:52.000With Chase's position as Open Borders, he's not making any friends at all.
00:14:56.000So, I mean, I don't see... And also, there's another thing, the LGBT, the pro-LGBT stance, that's really alienating a lot of people.
00:15:04.000There are a lot of women that look at the LGBT stuff and they say, this is totally different than I thought because of all the women being exclu... like the women exclusive...
00:15:15.000Places that are no longer exclusively women and I think that that's the one of the biggest things that isn't really being Talked about a lot I think there's a lot of people that that feel it but nobody's really talking about it because they're afraid they're gonna offend someone So I I think that it's easy to say the economy and that is probably it's probably some people are using that as as in place of the border, but it's hard to talk about the
00:15:41.000LGBT stuff and say you're against trans women being in women's spaces, you know?
00:15:47.000Gallup has, for the single most important issue among voters in their latest polling, 27% say immigration.
00:16:39.000They're wondering why this stuff is happening, why there is this mass influx of people, why private jets are being chartered, and the Libertarian Party says, got an idea?
00:16:50.000And now he claims he's not for open borders, but then they basically called him out on stage.
00:16:55.000He says he's for an Ellis Island-style approach, where people can walk up to a port of entry and say, I'm here for this, and they can rubber stamp him and send him on their way.
00:17:05.000We had that Ellis Island style approach when we didn't have a welfare state, which is usually the sensible libertarian argument against open borders to say, oh, I would want that, but we need to get rid of welfare and the big government and all this other stuff first.
00:17:17.000He's just saying, open the borders, keeping everything as is.
00:17:19.000It just goes to show it's not a serious political or electoral position.
00:17:23.000It's just pandering to this sort of, you know, who can be more, you know, philosophically sound in their positions on libertarianism rather than actually provide a platform for like For people that have libertarian-minded goals and are actually looking to effectuate it in some capacity, which he wouldn't be doing.
00:17:40.000President Trump offered a transactional approach that he would advance some issues that libertarians would hold dear, and some of them are turning away from it.
00:17:47.000Some of them will embrace it, hopefully.
00:17:49.000I think the Mises caucus, to whatever extent they can, should just become a caucus in the Republican Party at this point.
00:17:54.000I mean, the Liberty Caucus with Ran and Ron, I mean, those guys are all Mises guys, you know, through and through.
00:18:01.000Add this whole voting bloc and all of its supporters to those ranks and then try and influence the GOP with more bolstering of the Liberty Caucus.
00:18:09.000They've had tons of success on that at the local level.
00:18:10.000They've elected a lot of these, you know, Ron Paul-style Liberty candidates across the country.
00:18:15.000I mean, I remember I was a Ron Paul guy, you know, going back to 2014, and I know a lot of people that grew up in that movement.
00:18:20.000They've moved away from the LP and the Lahlbergs and the left-leaning Libertarians.
00:18:26.000They've become a joke and, you know, they act like because they have their political party that it makes them serious political operators, that they're thinking electorally, they're thinking strategically.
00:18:33.000They're actually the worst of them all.
00:18:56.000Or the famous moment in 2016 where the guy said no to having a driver's license.
00:19:03.000The thing is, there's a thing about libertarians that they always engage in purity contests.
00:19:10.000And it boils down to who is the most anarchist anarchist at the end of the day.
00:19:16.000And you can't make You can't work in Washington and be working against Washington.
00:19:24.000It's really, really, really hard to get this through to people that the way that you get any kind of legislation, even legislation that abolishes things, you still have to work with people.
00:19:36.000If you want to cut funding, you have to find people to work with.
00:19:39.000So just to be like, oh, well, we're going to be anti-government and anti-Washington, as much as I love the idea, like, the only option is burn it down.
00:19:49.000The only option is to behave in a way that makes you unfit for government.
00:19:53.000Because if you're fit for government and you're working to try to do things with government, then you're just a Cato libertarian and they call you a Republican.
00:20:00.000Yeah, it seems like the Libertarian Party had to decide basically on, like, what its objectives were, and the party itself is always divided, which I find fascinating, right?
00:20:07.000Like, the open borders issues for Libertarian predates Trump, it's been around for a long time, but with this particular election cycle, they had this moment where they could say, are we gonna try and get some wins, a foot in the door, and try to really steer and influence conservative policy, or just generally policy in America, or Do we believe that we are opposed to the Republican candidate so fundamentally that we don't want to have any kind of allegiance with it?
00:20:34.000And it seems like they are electing to distance themselves from Trump and therefore further divide the party, which seems like it would impede progress for their aims in the future.
00:20:42.000Well, let them let them all vote Trump.
00:22:26.000But Gavin, this is not a political trial.
00:22:28.000Of course not, but when you're losing, when you're down in every battleground state, you're going to throw whatever you can at the wall and hope it sticks.
00:22:34.000I mean, what's so funny about De Niro, he's like the quintessential hippie boomer generation.
00:24:10.000Like, you could definitely tell his ego was expecting to go down to that courthouse and be like, you know, heralded as some kind of hero and this, you know, this great political activist, the civil rights icon, because that's what they all want to do.
00:24:29.000All of these Hollywood celebrities have abandoned Biden.
00:24:32.000I can't remember who was posting, but it might have been Jack Posobiec, but like The Rock, for instance, says, no, I'm out.
00:24:37.000We got another story we'll jump to in a second where it's what Dennis Quaid just calmly says, no, you know, we're going to vote for Donald Trump.
00:24:44.000I think the most important thing from this is that, in their desperation, they've made it plainly clear that the Biden administration is, in some way, at the bare minimum, involved in what is going on with Trump's trial.
00:24:58.000Now, we've got closing arguments that are currently ongoing.
00:25:00.000I guess it's going to be delayed into tomorrow or something, I think.
00:25:04.000Yeah, they were doing summations all through today.
00:25:05.000I think they still have to do the judges' instructions.
00:25:08.000So they won't deliver it until probably tomorrow afternoon.
00:25:10.000And basically it's, as you'd expect, when the defense is giving their closing arguments, the prosecution keeps objecting and the judge keeps sustaining the objections.
00:25:19.000And then when the prosecution begins their arguments and the defense objects, the judge keeps, what's it called?
00:25:35.000Gavin, since you're on the ground in New York, can you tell us sort of what the vibe is?
00:25:39.000How do New Yorkers feel about this trial?
00:25:41.000Well, listen, we were just up in the Bronx for President Trump's historic rally there, and I think there's a groundswell of support in some of the least likeliest places in the city, in some of these outer borough communities, these working class communities.
00:25:52.000He's growing support, I mean, even among a more Manhattanite crowd.
00:25:56.000I mean, they're just not generating the sort of animosity that they did against Trump that you saw in 16 or 17 or 18.
00:26:02.000I mean, look, down at the court, generally speaking, the Trump supporters outnumber any, you know, anti-Trump supporters.
00:26:07.000And when there are anti-Trump supporters there, they're usually affiliated with some, you know, Palestinian cause, which they're just as much anti-Biden as they are anti-Trump.
00:26:15.000So, look, I think there's a groundswell of support building up.
00:26:18.000I think they locked him up effectively in New York for the last six weeks.
00:26:21.000He's been campaigning, doing stops, the bodega run, the firehouse, meeting with union workers.
00:26:31.000I mean, if you're going to sell this, it has to be sexy.
00:26:34.000There's nothing sexy about these documents and accounting and all this ridiculous stuff.
00:26:39.000It's just a lame case being prosecuted in an incredibly incompetent way.
00:26:45.000And I think a lot of New Yorkers are waking up to it.
00:26:47.000I think he's going to have his best numbers out of New York.
00:26:50.000That's not to say that he's going to win.
00:26:51.000That's not to say that he's going to have overwhelming support, but he's definitely
00:26:55.000And I think, look, I think it's very possible that he gets a hung jury here.
00:26:59.000I think it's possible there's one or two holdouts and throw this entire thing, you know, out the window and that'd be the best possible outcome.
00:27:05.000But he's in a win-win situation because if they do try to throw him in jail, his numbers are going to skyrocket.
00:27:09.000If he gets a hung jury, his numbers are going to skyrocket.
00:27:12.000I don't think they're going to get, obviously, an acquittal, a straight acquittal, unfortunately, but everything beyond that still could be spun as a win.
00:27:18.000It's interesting because it really does seem to come down to Michael Cohen and the prosecutors, you know, set him up.
00:27:23.000They were like, so you really like Donald Trump?
00:27:25.000And he's saying, yes, I loved when he praised me, whatever else.
00:27:28.000And then we turn around and on cross the defense points out, oh, you're actually stealing from him.
00:27:32.000And it's because apparently justification is you felt like you didn't get the bonus you deserved or whatever.
00:27:35.000All we learned from this is that President Trump is too nice of a guy.
00:28:00.000The judge is so blatantly corrupt over the top.
00:28:03.000I mean, again, everything that President Trump has been talking about for months is now being vindicated by the sloppiness and just the overt corruption of this trial.
00:28:11.000This is the system that he's trying to upend.
00:28:13.000When he talks about this system, this is it on full display in Lower Manhattan.
00:28:17.000And I assume for some New Yorkers it's frustrating, like even if they didn't like Trump, right, even if they're default Democrats, this is just your tax dollars being wasted.
00:28:26.000Well, I think a lot of those default Democrats, or even some of the politically minded Democrats, you're starting to see this on CNN and MSNBC, all the pundits and commentators, they're starting to admit Either, you know, directly or indirectly that this is hurting them, that this is backfiring on them massively.
00:28:41.000It didn't have the outcome that they were hoping.
00:28:42.000It's actually galvanized support for him.
00:28:46.000And again, it's just proving him right in all of the accusations that he's been throwing against the system and the Democrat establishment and all our institutions, which are completely run to the core.
00:28:57.000I think one of the interesting things about this trial is that every single trial that comes up against Trump, the media is initially like, this is the one, they're going to get him.
00:29:05.000And, you know, right as this one hit summations today, there's media attention turning back to the one in Florida, the mishandling of classified documents.
00:29:13.000And the media is mad because the judge wouldn't grant special... The gag order.
00:29:19.000It seems like there is this elusive, like, we're going to get him promised to sort of, you know, default Democrats who believe or have been fed this message that, of course, Trump did something wrong and eventually will get caught.
00:29:30.000Well, this was the weakest of all the cases.
00:29:32.000I mean, what they're effectively accusing him of originally was a misdemeanor, and they opted to a felony by claiming some conspiracy to further the underlying crime.
00:29:39.000And that underlying crime is not Even really a crime that's never been tried before.
00:30:02.000And again, it's withering away by the day.
00:30:04.000It seems like a lot of people are now saying, hung jury.
00:30:06.000Well, the media's narrative is the whole time saying, oh, even Fareed Zakaria is saying they wouldn't have brought this against anybody else, saying that it's looking really bad for the prosecution.
00:30:17.000And then today they're like, wow, the defense is doing really poorly in their closing arguments.
00:30:25.000And I'm like, why would any of that matter after everything we heard?
00:30:29.000Unless they're trying to gear people up for the expectation that Trump will lose this because you can't have this trial and say, none of it makes sense.
00:30:39.000And then all of a sudden Trump goes to jail and people say, wow, if it didn't make sense, then this is clearly a sham.
00:30:44.000But now you've got people coming out saying the evidence is overwhelming and the defense did a poor job on their closing arguments.
00:30:51.000That way, when it happens, they've primed the narrative formation.
00:30:54.000They're just they're just getting the masses ready for whatever is to come.
00:30:59.000Well, here's the story from the Postmillennial.
00:31:01.000Trump's Secret Service team meets with local jail officials ahead of NYC trial verdict report.
00:31:08.000Postmillennial reports, President Donald Trump's Secret Service has reportedly detail met with local jail officials ahead of the decision in the New York City trial to prepare if Trump has to go behind bars.
00:31:20.000The report comes as the judge overseeing the case has ruled that jurors do not have to agree on the crime that Trump committed.
00:31:35.000According to the report from CBS News, Trump's Secret Service details met with local New York corrections officials in preparation for the possibility, a New York corrections source told the outlet.
00:31:43.000Being the 45th President of the United States, Trump has the right to Secret Service protection for the rest of his life.
00:31:48.000Being put behind bars may complicate the situation, if that is the case.
00:31:51.000I hope they just have to clear out the jail.
00:32:30.000I mean, there's regularly videos that come out of our anchors with the prisoners, you know, just attacking correction officers, you know, going absolutely on a rampage.
00:32:38.000I mean, this is not a well-run prison by any means.
00:32:41.000It's certainly not a prison that's undercrowded.
00:32:43.000I think it's overcrowded by the latest estimates I remember looking at.
00:32:46.000So this is a complete dump of a place that they could be sending the former president.
00:32:50.000And if they do truly send him there, I mean, it's for one reason and one reason only.
00:32:54.000They're hoping something would physically happen to him while he's there.
00:32:57.000I can't understand the logistics of it, right?
00:32:58.000Like, it's obvious that this would be nearly impossible.
00:33:01.000I mean, unless Tim's right, they're gonna mass clear Rikers, which is bad for New York.
00:33:05.000You know, how would you have Trump incarcerated?
00:33:07.000Unless the intention is to risk him, or to put him, they'll be like, well, for your own protection, you have to be in solitary confinement.
00:34:01.000We're basically the media image of being able to say, look, there's a picture of Trump.
00:34:04.000You know, this is what Georgia was so intense about with, with the mugshots.
00:34:07.000They really thought that this was going to work though.
00:34:10.000They really thought that they were going to have, they honestly, they did because they wouldn't have started this because if they look at how bad things are panning out for them, they really did believe, because especially when all this stuff started, there was a whole lot of emotion in it too.
00:34:23.000Everybody thought they were like, I'm going to get Trump.
00:34:25.000And it all happened, you know, right after they all started the investigations, right after the, the end of his term and stuff, they were really serious
00:34:32.000about it and now it's looking really, really bad for them. And so I don't see that how they even
00:34:38.000make this into something that, I don't see the silver lining, how they fix it. It's all
00:34:45.000Well that's why I think they started early on being like, well possibly you could go to jail
00:34:49.000for contempt of court because we told you to stop violating the gag order.
00:34:52.000Ultimately, this is all about the imaging.
00:34:54.000Again, with the Georgia mugshots, there was someone on left media in these campaigns thinking, if we can just get a mugshot of Donald Trump, then the American people will hate them.
00:35:05.000that guy. It's the arrogance. And it turned out that was the most hilarious thing. He released
00:35:09.000merch for it and people were like, actually I feel like he's being abused by the system and
00:35:13.000if he if they can abuse a former president who is a billionaire they can definitely abuse me.
00:35:18.000And so I think it actually rallies support in his favor. I don't think a perp walk to
00:35:21.000Ryker's Island would make people think Trump was bad. No, I think he'd win.
00:35:24.000I think he'd win if they sent him to Rikers.
00:35:26.000And again, it's their arrogance, it's their just complete disconnect with the actual political realities on the ground.
00:35:32.000They think continuously making him a martyr is only going to kill his political future.
00:35:37.000It's only strengthening it quantitatively with all the foals.
00:35:39.000I think now they get the point that it's terrible.
00:35:42.000I think they're realizing how bad the results are.
00:35:45.000The problem is you have this machine of all these incompetent grifters.
00:35:48.000You got the Fannie Willis's of the world.
00:37:03.000You would end up having a lot of people that refuse to go to work.
00:37:06.000you would have if the if you have too many protesters that get violent with the police there would be police that wouldn't go not most of them because i don't think that i think that's a that january 6th has proven that that that idea was a foul it was a fantasy but there would be people that would say look this is this is wrong because this is more clear to normies that it is a kind of a hit job on Trump that it's illegitimate.
00:37:30.000So I don't think the idea that it would become, there'd be protests and so I don't think that's far-fetched
00:37:36.000and I just don't think that it would be some kind of like small thing. It
00:37:39.000would be it would be a big deal with a lot of significant repercussions,
00:38:21.000I mean, you know, a lot of these people, particularly these blue states or these blue districts like Fannie Willis and Tish James, they never have any political competition.
00:38:28.000They run their little fiefdoms, whether it's their Attorney General office, their governorship, whatever office they tend to hold in these blue, monopolistic, one-party towns, these Democrat machine politicians.
00:38:39.000They've never actually had to campaign.
00:38:41.000They've never actually had to, you know, persuade people of the, you know, the righteousness of their policies or the success of their policies.
00:38:47.000They win because of the machine, particularly in New York, particularly where Fannie Willis is in Georgia.
00:38:53.000And because of that, they become out of touch and they lose sight of political realities that still exist on the national level.
00:38:59.000And they're still operating under an environment where people will react negatively to this.
00:39:03.000They're not all living in a 90% Democrat district where they win no matter what.
00:39:07.000They're operating in an area right now many of these battleground states where, you know, a lot of
00:39:11.000these races are within the margin of error and this is pushing people over or bringing new voters to
00:39:15.000the table that are so disgusted with it.
00:39:48.000I don't know what the reason is that they screwed something up so massively, but it's polarized.
00:39:54.000It's either they're a bunch of incompetent morons who have lost their support base, are fumbling the ball and filing incorrectly, or they're doing something else to where they don't care that Biden's not on the ballot.
00:40:20.000You have that account, the Biden-Harris war room, posting clips of President Trump from rallies where he's funny, relatable, entertaining, and they think it's an own.
00:40:28.000I mean, these are the type of people you're dealing with.
00:40:29.000They're deluded and they're in a bubble.
00:40:31.000Or they don't think it's an own and they've given up.
00:40:35.000I mean, Ohio's going Republican no matter what.
00:40:37.000This would definitely hurt, you know, the popular vote.
00:40:39.000It would give a win probably to President Trump in the popular vote if Biden wasn't on the ballot.
00:40:46.000Look, I think they've dealt with years of not really being brought to task, mostly from other weak Republicans who just didn't, you know, bring the fight that President Trump has been bringing.
00:40:56.000And because of that, they're used to dealing with, you know, a different caliber of opposition. Now, you know, they're actually in a real
00:41:02.000race. I mean, he's an incumbent and he's in a real race where he's down on the aggregate in every major
00:41:06.000poll, whether battleground polling, national polling, everything. And they're getting caught
00:41:11.000clubfooted because they're really not this, you know, sophisticated political machine that they
00:41:16.000thought they were. They were just, you know, watching too many episodes of, you know, the West
00:41:21.000And they're just they're smoking their own supply.
00:41:23.000It does make me wonder if there's a certain level of just incompetence,
00:41:27.000Maybe you're saying like Swiss cheese and especially the DNC Like with the Ohio issue, the Ohio law from what I understand has been on the books for a long time, which means that anyone two years out who was scheduling the DNC's national convention could have, like there was no one whose job it was to like look at state laws and say when do we need to have a candidate nominated by?
00:41:52.000It's just a bunch of people who are like, politics are glamorous, politics is social, I watch the West Wing, you know, I want to be a part of this.
00:42:00.000They don't actually think about anything, they just thought, oh, sometime in August, right?
00:42:04.000Is this a symptom of like, all the changes that they've done, because they moved their They moved their primary schedule around to make South Carolina first primary.
00:42:14.000They changed the date of their convention as well, I believe.
00:42:18.000It's always sort of flexible because the party that's not in power, from what I know, goes first.
00:42:22.000So like RNC would be in July this year, which it is.
00:42:31.000And there's no one whose job, there's not like a department of five interns who could say like, hey, you each have to look at, you know, whatever, 10 states and figure out when they need to have a candidate by and then we'll pick the date from there.
00:42:42.000Like, was it someone's like vacation schedule they picked the DNC?
00:42:46.000I just don't understand because it's a level of incompetence, which if you were a Democrat in Ohio, you're right.
00:43:22.000They're like chickens with their heads cut off.
00:43:26.000They scheduled their convention where they nominate their candidate after Ohio's deadline.
00:43:31.000Could not get Biden on the ballot in Ohio.
00:43:34.000So they're going to have a loose virtual nomination because they're cheaters who break the rules because they're incompetent and don't know what they're doing.
00:44:19.000The DNC that year, thousands of people protested, stormed the barricades, tried jumping over these like 10 foot tall fences they had set up.
00:44:29.000The far left does not care about Republicans, perhaps because the Republicans don't look like a viable attack vector for them.
00:44:37.000But the left does think they can garner influence and take over the DNC and gain power.
00:44:42.000So the DNC is in fear that their own far left extremists will show up and destroy them.
00:44:48.000And they've been out of control the last few months.
00:44:50.000I mean, they have no control over, for example, again, the Palestinian protests that we've been seeing, you know, on the streets of New York and elsewhere.
00:44:56.000I mean, that's a group that the DNC has very little control over.
00:44:59.000There's a ton of animosity, and I fully agree with you.
00:45:02.000This is turning into an internal party struggle more than anything.
00:45:05.000They see their bigger enemy not as Trump.
00:45:07.000They see it as Biden and the establishment of the Democrat Party, which is very different from 2016 when there was just this animosity, this fear, You know, this hysteria over President Trump, that just doesn't exist anymore on the radical left and their foot soldiers.
00:45:21.000They're far more concerned with their internal party dynamic and power structure than they are vis-a-vis President Trump and the RNC.
00:45:27.000How much do you get the sense that there are people that are actually, say, aides in D.C.
00:45:35.000that share the opinions of the Antifa foot soldiers?
00:45:40.000Because it's my sense that the people that are elected officials have no idea how infiltrated
00:45:49.000the Democrat party is by far leftists who don't believe in the fundamental
00:45:53.000principles that this could that that even the elected Democrats do like your mansion Democrats and and
00:45:59.000and people like that like they still they believe in the United States right like generally they're
00:46:05.000they're a different kind of Democrat than your your squad Democrats the squad isn't even Democrats
00:46:11.000clearly they're progressives they've left liberalism behind they've left the fundamental
00:46:15.000principles of the United States so what's it what's your sense well I mean a lot of the staffers I meet right
00:46:19.000or left Republican or Democrat obviously they're younger they're usually more politically
00:46:23.000radical a lot of the staffers I meet they may work for a more moderate member of the house and
00:46:27.000they're far to the right of their their principle I think the same thing applies on the Democrat
00:46:32.000side you see a lot of these younger staffers far more radical than the elected officials they
00:46:36.000they work for Most of whom are basically just answering to the whim of donors.
00:46:42.000You know, it's a party by the donors for the donors.
00:46:44.000You have these elected officials, you know, their staff, you know, they could have their ideals, they could have their vision, you know, whatever it is, a left-wing vision, a right-wing vision.
00:46:52.000Most of these members, if a donor says something, that's what they do.
00:46:57.000It's the rent-seeking, it's the special interest, and the staffers, you know, they become jaded, and if they're jaded enough and they're smart enough, they will rise the ranks.
00:47:07.000The ones that have their vision for the future, their utopia, those are the ones that fall behind.
00:47:14.000And I think also to the incompetence question we were talking about earlier, you know, I think a lot of this, it's Occam's razor because you have these staffers, you have these people with lofty titles, whether at the DNC, the RNC, you know, whatever member they work for, if Congress or another elected official, and everyone just sort of thinks, oh, they have that title because they must be very competent.
00:47:32.000They must be very serious, smart people who are on top of the game.
00:47:35.000And then the closer, at least personally speaking, the closer you get to these levers of power, and I'm talking about the individuals that are manning those levers, you become more and more, Just sort of, you know, unimpressed by them.
00:47:46.000And you're just like, really, these are the people that you thought were really, like, behind the machine, working things that were actually smart and interesting?
00:47:58.000We've got DEI initiatives which are causing industries to fail, get well, go broke.
00:48:03.000Right now, the concern with these boat crashes, these barges that are slamming into bridges and, in one instance, destroying it, as well as Boeing planes failing, is that the people they're
00:48:12.000hiring don't have the skills or capabilities. It's not just, in my opinion, that they're
00:48:17.000doing these diversity initiatives and they're getting lower, the lowest common denominator. I
00:48:22.000think the issue is, if you look at the millennial generation, they don't want to be laborers.
00:48:30.000And Gen Z's probably not too different.
00:48:33.000So no one is pursuing this knowledge, but more importantly, it used to be that you learned from your elders.
00:48:39.000Your dad was a blacksmith, and then you were a kid, and you watched your dad blacksmith, and you learned how to be a blacksmith, and then eventually you were.
00:48:44.000Now, dad goes to work, and kid goes to school, and what does kid go to school for?
00:48:48.000I don't know, like feminist dance class?
00:48:50.000And so who's learning how to drive these boats?
00:48:53.000Then when the kid graduates with his degree in Gender Studies and Feminist Interpretive Dance, he goes and looks for a job and the DNC says, well, we're hiring.
00:49:01.000And so this decay of capability has spread not just to Boeing, not just to Bridges, but to the inner workings of the DNC.
00:49:09.000You're describing the whole decline of the West, our society writ large, and I think it goes back a hundred years.
00:49:14.000I mean, there are buildings that we built a hundred, two hundred years ago that we could barely build today.
00:49:18.000We don't even have the stonemasons or the artisans who could build things.
00:49:21.000So we've seen that lack of that institutional knowledge, you know, wither away.
00:49:25.000I think it's applying across, you know, institutions, whether it's corporations, whether it's governments, whether it's political parties.
00:49:31.000I mean, it's a sad state of affairs and, again, it's only being hastened because we've abandoned meritocracy and we're elevating things like DEI and all these other types of programs that are pushing aside standards and, again, the merit-based systems in favor of race-based quotas and other nonsense.
00:49:49.000So we were already on a decline before this became so mainstream.
00:50:03.000I mean, this isn't the first time, you know, you could go back to the Bronze Age collapse, you could look at the Roman Empire collapsing.
00:50:08.000I mean, tons of societies, empires, you know, nations, states have gone through these types of declines, cultural declines, economic declines, spiritual declines.
00:50:16.000I mean, I think we're checking all those boxes.
00:50:43.000It just goes up, it goes down, it goes up, it goes down.
00:50:47.000Those that are listening to shows like this, and who are probably on the Trump train, are more resilient to this decay.
00:50:53.000And, you know, we believe in meritocracy.
00:50:57.000So what may happen is the system may be burning down all around us.
00:51:01.000The systems of power that exist have become unstable.
00:51:05.000And like a nuclear reactor, which produces beautiful, clean energy, when it becomes unstable, it could melt down and destroy everything around it.
00:51:11.000That's what we're seeing with the Uniparty and the Democrats.
00:51:13.000That's why they're going after Donald Trump.
00:51:15.000However, that can only last so long, and so that's why I'm fairly optimistic that even if the worst-case scenario happens, in the end, it is the strong individuals who believe in hard work and meritocracy who are going to win.
00:51:29.000I'd put any amount of money on it, any day, that if you take someone who believes in equity, and someone who believes in meritocracy, and you run the simulation a million times, it's going to be 99 to 1.
00:51:41.000It's going to be almost every single simulation, the meritocratic individual is going to win out in the grand scheme of things.
00:51:49.000But that road is a rocky one, you know, returning to equilibrium, you know, returning to, you know, where we think should be, ought to be, you know, obviously by our subjective, you know, view of it.
00:51:59.000I mean, getting back to that place, it's not going to be easy.
00:52:02.000I do agree with you, you know, if your time horizon's long enough, it'll eventually will correct itself, but there's going to be a lot of, you know, decline, bloodshed, a whole lot of human suffering before we get to that point.
00:52:13.000I mean, you saw the same thing, you know, with the rise of the Soviets and other things.
00:52:16.000Yeah, if it turns into complete economic destabilization, to the point where the US dollar becomes toilet paper or something like that, the whole world is going to ripple in a massive shockwave.
00:52:29.000Our system is beyond its carrying capacity.
00:52:31.000We're running on fumes, we're running on fiat, we're running on a whole lot of stuff that's pushing us forward.
00:52:35.000It's kind of a zombie system in many ways.
00:52:38.000You could do very well for yourself, you could make a lot of money, you could have a good
00:52:41.000life while this whole decline is happening around you.
00:53:21.000I mean, look, I think I got more politically active.
00:53:26.000things that happened to me locally that I just sort of got thrusted into politics.
00:53:30.000Eventually, I took over the club and I ran with it. You put your name to something,
00:53:33.000you want to build it, you want to grow it, you want to expand that. And that happened. But listen,
00:53:37.000I think there are a lot of people that—I have friends of mine who have similar interests,
00:53:41.000similar views. We played the same video games growing up and things like that,
00:53:45.000and they're all interested in politics.
00:53:46.000They may not do it as actively as I do, but they're following, they're watching, they're seeing a lot of the stories we're seeing, and they're seeing the decline around them.
00:53:54.000We talk about younger people, younger staffers, why they have their visions of the future is because the status quo is untenable.
00:54:01.000It's not what it was 10, 15, 20 years ago.
00:54:03.000There's a visceral decline in the air.
00:54:04.000You can feel it, and people are reacting to it.
00:54:07.000We've become more politicized as a society.
00:54:10.000I think 20, 30 years ago we weren't nearly as politicized as we are now.
00:54:12.000Well, ladies and gentlemen, as I describe the failings of Boeing and other institutions in these United States, I have a sad story about the decline in our military.
00:55:15.000But now you've got the Biden administration sending out the army to build this big pier and they screwed the whole thing up and now it's sinking so they're just taking it apart.
00:55:21.000A trillion-dollar military-industrial complex can't build a pier or dock in Gaza.
00:55:42.000I mean, I'm so glad we spent $320 million on this instead of, you know, a bridge in America, you know, something to fund a state, an educational effort, you know, maybe something to, I don't know, encourage people to take up trade skills and potentially build better docks.
00:55:56.000Like, it's so ridiculous to me and it's literally American money being washed away and it doesn't benefit the American people.
00:57:00.000I'm not sure who planned this, how this, how they blew it, because, I mean, they literally have to build a whole city when they invade a country.
00:57:11.000Like, they build a whole city with, like, you know, all the stuff that you need to live and this pier shouldn't be beyond the capability.
00:57:25.000I mean, look, even places like Iraq, all these, you know, conflict zones we've been part of, you know, there's tons of, it was a black hole.
00:57:32.000You know, they build a school, it gets blown up.
00:57:35.000They build it again, it gets blown up.
00:57:36.000It's, you know, we always hear stories about this, you know, with the contractors and Yeah, but that's not how the military—like, when it's U.S.
00:57:43.000military, usually, like I said, they—historically, they're good at achieving goals.
00:58:29.000He was completely correct when they targeted a generation, cut them off from the previous, and now we are unable to operate these machines.
00:58:38.000And he said, I think it was the 80s when that famous interview was done, he said, you guys are already past these stages.
00:59:17.000She's got like orange shorts and she throws the sledgehammer.
00:59:20.000And then it was like, now 2024, it's totally inverted and the industrial cold monotonous machine destroys all of the vibrant life to create this tablet.
01:00:02.000You would find stones inside with strange carvings and strange lines.
01:00:07.000And I'm just like, isn't that amazing?
01:00:09.000That If today we fail to transfer knowledge of how these things operate, within a certain amount of time, someone who comes upon a helicopter will just see a giant rock and not even understand what it's supposed to do.
01:00:25.000That's what's happened throughout history.
01:00:34.000But we have no idea what they were doing, what they actually were innovating.
01:00:37.000But I think you're bringing on a point about the institutional knowledge.
01:00:40.000I think I saw an article that came out that said like 30% of the web or like a lot of websites over the last five, ten years, they're gone completely, completely deleted.
01:00:56.000And then in addition to the knowledge, you were highlighting the difference between these two commercials.
01:01:01.000You can look up the Home Alone house, you know, the difference after the renovation.
01:01:06.000And I think someone made a joke online.
01:01:07.000It was like the antidepressant version of the house.
01:01:10.000You know, you go back to the to the 90s.
01:01:11.000It was this warm, cozy house on the inside, full of like, you know, children, family, and it really just sort of spoke to the times.
01:01:19.000And now it's this white, sterile, just Brutalist.
01:01:23.000Brutalist, minimalist, you know, just soulless interior, and it just really shows the transition of our country from where it was in the 90s.
01:01:35.000I find it really interesting that as we have become a more online And we have the rise of sort of the lifestyle influencer that also we take out any kind of characteristics.
01:01:48.000The rise of minimalism, meaning just like white, beige, not a lot of decorations, it's almost like taking away any kind of personality.
01:01:56.000Death of detail, ornamentation, everything's utilitarian.
01:01:59.000You know, why would we put a flourish here?
01:02:01.000Why would we put a piece of paneling here?
01:04:15.000Isn't the wainscoting, isn't that the half thing called wainscoting?
01:04:19.000I mean, that's, that alone, Right there is something that adds flourish.
01:04:23.000Just like you're saying, you're talking about the band.
01:04:25.000But one dealer owner will take that out.
01:04:27.000They'll be like, this is too dated, I don't like it.
01:04:28.000And if this wasn't a famous house, it probably already would have been gutted.
01:04:31.000They kept some of these elements because that's the resale value.
01:04:34.000And I think the other thing, I saw this video, I'm sure none of the men in this room saw this, but I saw it on my social media, because my algorithm's more feminine than yours, of this girl, you know, she's in her, what, late 20s, early 30s.
01:04:44.000She's like, we bought a house, so exciting!
01:04:47.000It was probably built in the early 2000s.
01:06:31.000Dude, there's going to be a guy right now who's a Gen X-er who got married in 1998 or whatever to his high school sweetheart who divorced him ten years later and he's going to be crying and he's going to find this place and he's going to go back and he's going to open the fridge and see the 1990s Pizza Hut box and the advertisements.
01:06:48.000He's going to turn the TV on and he's going to start crying and then we're going to have a problem.
01:06:53.000But I got the idea because there was a blockbuster video that converted a part of their lobby into a one-night-only Airbnb that was the 90s.
01:07:02.000Well, you're bringing up nostalgia porn.
01:07:05.000I hate to be so, like, a Debbie Downer, but we have so much nostalgia.
01:07:10.000Particularly on like our generation, millennials, even zoomers, for a time past and there's an entire industry, a cottage industry, being developed to serve the needs of that nostalgia because people are trying to yearn to go back.
01:07:21.000You didn't really see this, you know, in these decades you're describing.
01:08:13.000At the very least, when I was a kid, all the houses were different colors.
01:08:17.000It's like, you know, my house was like reddish, or whatever, and the house was white next to me, and the house to the other side, mine was more like beige-orange, and the house to the left was red, and the house to the right was white.
01:08:28.000And then there was wallpaper, and everyone kind of made it their own space.
01:08:31.000Now you go and look at the new developments, and they're like, we're putting in a new library.
01:09:11.000They put the highway right through some of the hearts of these cities.
01:09:14.000You look at places like Cincinnati, other places.
01:09:16.000They had entire thriving communities and they just, the entire highway system, eminent domain, right through the heart of it.
01:09:22.000They tore down everything else to build parking.
01:09:23.000They changed the laws, the setback laws.
01:09:26.000They required, you know, certain regulations in terms of mixed use and all these other things.
01:09:30.000All of a sudden, all these great cities that we had across the country with their own unique architecture, unique, you know, culture, development.
01:09:36.000All got destroyed, at the same time we start to lose our regional accents, a lot of these things that made different parts of the country unique and different, architecture, etc.
01:09:47.000No, but, you know, they did it in a poor way.
01:09:49.000They were, you know, this post-war energy, end of history.
01:09:53.000You remarked about the loss of different regional cultures and stuff like that, and that would imply that the highway system is a bad thing, because the reason that they would lose the regional Flavor would be because people can move around too easily.
01:10:08.000We're putting gargoyles in the building.
01:10:17.000We will put up gargoyles and then what happens is the rainwater runs into the gargoyles and then it comes out the gargoyles mouth and sprays it away from the building to stop the erosion.
01:10:28.000I think that's, I mean, these are things that people do when they love a place, they believe they're going to be a long time, they give it personality.
01:10:34.000And that was true of the cities, right?
01:10:36.000Like if you're walking in, you know, the West Village in New York, you know you're not in the middle of Dallas, Texas.
01:10:42.000But there are historic parks of Dallas that have, you know, their own development.
01:10:46.000Dallas comes to mind for me because I had spent time there when it was growing a lot and there were lots of, like you're talking about, apartment complexes that could be anywhere.
01:10:55.000I think What you're talking about reminds me of Cumberland, Maryland.
01:10:58.000I don't know if anyone else has driven through it, but there's a highway that goes through it and you're literally like looking at these old sort of Victorian style row houses, but you are basically eye to eye with probably someone's bedroom window because it really looks like they just put the highway down the middle of it.
01:11:12.000And, you know, I think regionalism in America, I think regional culture is incredibly important.
01:11:17.000I think it's one of the things that we see it in.
01:11:19.000that began to take away the overarching American culture.
01:11:23.000And I think, you know, I'm not anti-highway, but I do think ultimately highway was about people who
01:11:29.000benefited from making money off of it and the governments that were like, it's just easier for us to put
01:11:33.000it there than about preserving the communities that they ran through. Look at Robert Moses.
01:11:37.000I mean, the left is good on this topic.
01:11:38.000This is one of the few topics where the left, or some voices on the left rather, are a little bit more nuanced and have a better sense of things about preserving the architecture, preserving the history, preserving beautiful cities, making these more communities rather than just areas for, you know, the yuppie transient to live for a few years and then move on to the development with no soul.
01:11:55.000So these are things that, you know, I think people on the right should talk about.
01:11:58.000Talk about, you know, beautifying these cities, making these cities work for people rather than, you know, working for, you know, cars or corporations or whatever they are.
01:12:07.000I mean, I think about this with like subdivision developments, a lot of them, some of them in some cities will make requirements that are like every couple miles you have to have a park, right?
01:12:14.000You destroy these working class, you know, white ethnic communities.
01:12:17.000There's a lot of, there was a lot of articles written about this that these like, you know, these neighborhoods in Boston or New York, et cetera, they had really tight, you know, familial cultural bonds.
01:12:34.000I want to take the opportunity to actually talk about the Trump interview and take your questions in the Super Chats if you have any questions in this segment before we go into full Super Chats.
01:12:43.000But addressing some of the things that he told us and then hear what you guys have to say.
01:12:46.000Of course, we'll start with the most important story.
01:12:49.000Trump calls Starstruck podcaster a beauty.
01:12:52.000When he reminds Trump, you complimented my face.
01:12:55.000In all seriousness, I can't believe they actually wrote this.
01:13:10.000They're saying, like, the wide-ranging interview in the last 17 minutes, but it kicked off with Trump causing a noticeable shift in the show's atmosphere as co-host Hannah Clare caught... Thank you for getting my double name right.
01:14:12.000He didn't necessarily tie immunity to mass deportations.
01:14:14.000He said, we have to restore immunity for police.
01:14:17.000And he said, we will use local police to carry out the mass deportations.
01:14:23.000I thought this was one of the most important because Trump has said he's going to engage in the largest mass deportation effort in history.
01:14:32.000He mentioned, I think it was Eisenhower?
01:14:36.000What a crazy name for an operation back in the day.
01:14:40.000Well, the issue is, how do you engage in a large deportation without expansion of the federal government?
01:14:45.000Without either putting a lot of money into federal authorities to carry out these deportations, or spending tons of money on vehicles, trains, cars.
01:14:56.000Now, I don't know if that gives us enough information as to how it really goes down, but the idea of local police, that's gonna mean the federal government will have to provide funding to all of these local police departments, a mass refunding of the police.
01:15:09.000Now, of course, a lot of people are saying, Most people are saying, you know, great interview, we're glad these questions got asked.
01:15:16.000You know, talking about the mass deportations, ending the wars, pardoning Assange, things like that.
01:15:20.000But of course there are some people saying, why didn't you ask this?
01:15:26.000Because I was told I had 15 minutes to ask my questions.
01:15:29.000So I'm not going to spend 20 minutes arguing with the with the president over what he means when he says something.
01:15:36.000When I asked him how he would carry this out.
01:15:39.000And he said, oh, we're gonna you know, the police, they got to protect our police officers.
01:15:42.000And then I said, but how I asked again, how do you do it?
01:15:45.000He said, police officers, when I asked about the prosecution of Fauci, he and he and he explained, you know, Fauci wasn't that big of a deal.
01:15:52.000And he shut down gain of function research, I said, but will there be accountability to which he said yes.
01:16:52.000I'm sorry for confusing you guys, I guess.
01:16:55.000I think that there are a lot of questions that Trump is going to face, you know, going through November.
01:17:01.000I'm sure you've had to clarify some of these things too, Gavin.
01:17:04.000You know, where we have people who want something really badly and it is difficult for him to take a firm stance on it.
01:17:10.000Like, I think about his response, again, during his first town hall that CNN hosted when he said, you know, I'm going to look into what happened with all of the January 6th political prisoners.
01:17:23.000And we're gonna review their cases, and as many of them as we can pardon or let go, you know, we are gonna do it.
01:17:27.000But I think it's fair for him to say, I have to look into this thing.
01:17:30.000If he just told you what you wanted to hear all the time, he'd be, you know, probably not the politician that we need.
01:17:35.000Yeah, I've heard from a decent amount of people that his answers are a lot of what we already knew, but a little bit further in some areas.
01:17:44.000I feel like the whole entire campaign, both sides, it's... I don't feel like there's gonna be any kind of ground broken, so I feel like the...
01:17:52.000Any interviews and stuff that you get, whether it be with Trump or Biden, I think the most news that you're going to get out of them is if Biden has a gaffe, or Biden does something ridiculous.
01:18:03.000Otherwise, everyone kind of knows that Trump is going to be able to get through whatever kind of interviews you have.
01:18:10.000He's going to do the same things that he did for the four years that he was the president.
01:18:14.000And Biden, if he does any interviews, which I would like to see more, clearly, because I think that that only raises the chances of him making a I'm just happy that we've normalized mass deportations.
01:18:25.000be the only news that's really kind of in the cards. Or at least that's what I think that people
01:18:29.000have resided themselves to. I'm just happy that we've normalized mass deportations. I mean,
01:18:34.000you know, 10, 15 years ago, having a major presidential candidate saying he wants to
01:18:38.000initiate mass deportations, utilizing local police officers.
01:18:43.000You know, that would be a radical position.
01:18:45.000The Overton window has shifted so far in such a short period of time that now we're here talking about, like, well, is he really going to just use local police to deport them all, or is he going to build out a federal bureaucracy?
01:18:55.000Okay, I mean, I like that that's the discussion.
01:18:58.000I like that that's the point of contention, is how he's going to do the mass deportation, rather than are we going to have it or not?
01:19:04.000So, you know, silver linings, taking these things with a What are we getting Biden on the podcast?
01:19:18.000I think that'd be a fantastic episode, actually.
01:19:20.000But it really depends because, you know, I was thinking about this.
01:19:24.000You get this guy who's basically like an antifa leftist and The Libertarian Party is in, like, it's been in civil war with itself for years, and a lot of the most prominent, high-profile individuals are rejecting Chase Oliver outright.
01:19:42.000So, I don't know if I view him as a legitimate voice of the Libertarian Party, and so the question is, Would I have him on in any other circumstance?
01:19:55.000Well, he's not a particularly prominent individual.
01:19:58.000I don't know what he necessarily adds.
01:19:59.000Now that he is the nominee, there is the reasonable, well, sure, why wouldn't we have him on the show?
01:20:04.000What we try to do with guests on this show is not, it's not about having the biggest follower count in the world.
01:20:08.000It's about being an active political commentator.
01:20:11.000And so we get a lot of people who are like, hey, I know somebody who is like a research scientist in, you know, metals or whatever.
01:20:17.000And it's like, can they comment on the news?
01:20:20.000Because we are a topical news commentary show.
01:20:22.000And it's like, no, it's like, well, then maybe the Culture War is better, because that's why we set that show up in the first place.
01:21:01.000The other big thing that came out of the Trump interview, of course, is the prosecuting Fauci and many other people.
01:21:07.000I want to clarify something, too, because being strapped for time in this interview, you don't really get a lot of time to break things down.
01:21:14.000When I said one of the Libertarian presidential nominees said he wants to see Fauci, the heads of Moderna, Pfizer, Biden, and you locked up for what happened during COVID, I don't agree with them, but there is a big sentiment.
01:22:04.000And so this guy needs to be prosecuted.
01:22:05.000Trump's response was, uh, so, you know, he, he jumps in, he says, you know, uh, oh, I, I stopped Fauci, or Fauci didn't really have a, wasn't a big player in my administration, and I'm the one who shut down gain of function.
01:22:16.000I said, will there be accountability, accountability for the lying to Congress when you get to appoint your new AG?
01:22:22.000And Trump said, yeah, we'll take a look at a statute, at statute of limitations, because you know, the statute of limitations are quite long.
01:22:29.000I feel like the challenge with this is, if someone were to ask me, like if I was running for office, and someone said, actually I'll put it this way, if you're going to engage in a legal battle, you never publicly announce it before you do.
01:22:42.000This is a challenge that Trump faces because a lot of people are saying, I want Trump to outright say, we will prosecute these people.
01:23:30.000To dare, you know, hold us accountable for our many, you know, transgressions and crimes, or at least be, you know, reciprocal in how we, you know, dole out the lawfare.
01:23:42.000Don't give them an ability to, you know, wipe out their computers and all the rest.
01:23:46.000But I think we're never going to advance as a country until we return to that reciprocity, because right now it's open political warfare, but it's only coming from one side to the other rather than back and forth.
01:23:56.000It'll stop overnight the second they realize that they could be held to account.
01:23:58.000Well, it's no secret that I believe we are in some kind of civil conflict.
01:24:24.000You know, look, with the Libertarian Party, something fascinating happened where Michael Recktenwald, who's been on the show several times, was the frontrunner.
01:24:31.000He actually won the first several rounds of voting for the nomination.
01:24:35.000And then a guy who was in third place pledged to run as the vice presidential candidate for Chase Oliver, who was in second place, if they voted for Chase Oliver, which put them above Michael Recktenwald.
01:24:46.000You know the guy's a former police officer?
01:25:38.000It is not a functioning legitimate system.
01:25:42.000I should say, I don't even know how you describe that.
01:25:44.000We are no longer a system where we have a conversation about the issues and decide how to run things.
01:25:50.000It is one faction, the Democrats, smashing everything with sledgehammers Refusing to let go of any power that they have.
01:25:58.000And then you have Donald Trump and the right being like, well, while you're smashing things, can I please argue why we are right and you should not smash them?
01:26:04.000The Democrats stopped making our arguments at least 10 years ago, right?
01:27:23.000The Democrat voters are default liberals who aren't really paying attention, who have no idea what's going on.
01:27:29.000Those that are starting to wake up because of, say, I don't know, the border invasion, you've got these people in New York and in Chicago who are like, why is my community center overrun with illegal immigrants?
01:27:56.000I think you're touching on, you know, the other element here is that they're overplaying their hand.
01:28:00.000You know, they could get away with this, but they've accelerated what they've been trying to do a lot faster because of the rise of President Trump.
01:28:15.000They have nothing else, so they're doubling down, they're tripling down, and, you know, had they been able to operate in a world, frankly, without President Trump, I think it would have been a little bit different.
01:28:22.000Had Hillary won, had they continued to do this more slow march through the institutions, more of their Fabian-style takeovers of things, they could have got to a point where we woke up one day and they already had solidified everything.
01:28:33.000But unfortunately, there's been some, you know, rough currents along the way, and they're recalibrating, and they're not doing such a good job at it.
01:28:43.000But I think that ultimately what happens when, you know, we were talking earlier about meritocracy and, you know, what happens to the system.
01:28:50.000The right is the more matocratic side.
01:28:52.000They're having kids, they're teaching their kids.
01:29:14.000It just means that maybe there's, like, it's a no-confidence system where the Democrats just can't keep stealing power and smashing things with sledgehammers.
01:29:23.000My fear is you end up with people on the right in their small towns just saying, OK, that's it.
01:29:37.000When Antifa goes Antifa, and they go around smashing things, nothing really happens, because they're aimless and they're stupid.
01:29:44.000But when the meritocratic side decides, in the same way we have no confidence in the system, they start building systems, they start taking over, and they have training, strategy, logistics.
01:29:54.000So if in the event the Democrats steal power in some way, Arresting Trump or otherwise, you may just see the right organize in a way, like, their breaking point is, okay, now we organize at the local level and we sever ourselves from the other governments.
01:30:09.000South Africa, they're doing that there with the Afrikaners in Orania.
01:30:13.000They're just separating, you know, building their own state, you know, within a state.
01:30:16.000I mean, that's kind of the sort of the decline we're looking at.
01:30:19.000It's not going to be this explosive Spanish Civil War style event.
01:30:23.000It's just going to be this decline to the point that we're all basically going our separate ways.
01:30:28.000The legitimacy of the federal government, we can't do, I don't think we can do things the way that other countries can.
01:30:35.000Like, the United States is unique in the world.
01:30:49.000having significant problems, like political problems, about the actual, like, Cracks in the foundation, however you want to phrase it.
01:30:58.000If there's actual question about the legitimacy of the federal government, that's going to have consequences globally.
01:31:06.000That's going to mean that China and Russia are going to notice and they are going to do things that are going to put their countries into better positions globally.
01:31:17.000And that will put them into conflict with the United States.
01:31:20.000So the idea that this is a only in the US thing.
01:31:25.000This election that's coming up, if the frontrunner's in jail, and people are still going to vote for him, the rest of the world, what they do is, it's totally up in the air.
01:31:38.000We don't have a real solid knowledge of how things work in China or in Russia.
01:31:47.000And I think that the Ukraine invasion made that pretty clear.
01:31:53.000I don't think that that I just think that the the possibilities for things to go bad are numerous, especially when you don't see the stuff that they're talking about putting Trump in jail today and stuff.
01:32:04.000Yeah, I think I think the fact that the rest of the world watches our news and is kind of waiting to see what happens because a lot of countries had elections to your Russia's election to India's elections this year.
01:32:12.000But because America has such, you know, military and economic influence over the world.
01:32:18.000You know, I do think that certain countries are kind of waiting till, you know, the day after our election to decide what they're going to do next.
01:32:26.000I don't know that you'll see necessarily an escalation of China and Taiwan until China knows who it's going to have to deal with from America.
01:32:34.000You know, you could broker any kind of deal right now with Russia to stop the Ukraine war until you see the results of the election because there's no incentive, right?
01:32:45.000They know they just have to wait out the next couple of months and then decide how they're going to proceed and deal with the US for the next four years after that.
01:32:53.000Everything is acting, you know, globally across the world.
01:32:56.000And listen, we've squandered our Pax Americana, we squandered our unipolarity, you know, we emerged out of the Cold War in the 90s, you know, with this very strong unified country, you know, we had these national bonds and national consensus, you know, we were still strong industrial power.
01:33:10.000We had a semblance of, you know, of patriotism and we squandered it.
01:33:14.000We de-industrialized, we opened the borders, we got involved in forever wars, and now we're
01:33:18.000dealing with a multipolar world order that we don't want to accept or recognize, and
01:33:22.000we're dealing with situations where they're completely out of our control.
01:33:25.000You know, we talk about the incompetence at home, we talk about the incompetence in DC,
01:33:28.000that was all manifested first and foremost, not domestically, but actually internationally.
01:33:32.000You saw our incompetence just, you know, laid bare with everyone just being able to, you
01:33:39.000That's the sort of stuff that President Trump was talking about.
01:33:41.000Just look what's happening with Russia, Ukraine, look what's happening between China and Taiwan,
01:33:45.000and all these other different conflicts across the world.
01:33:47.000I mean, no one takes us seriously anymore.
01:33:49.000They see, you know, that Biden is the emperor with no clothes.
01:33:51.000They see that we're a declining power.
01:33:53.000And while they're still going to take, you know, our elections and domestic affairs into consideration, that becomes waned with every passing day.
01:34:01.000Every day that goes by, we're less of a factor.
01:34:07.000And we're just falling further and further behind.
01:34:08.000I do think it's funny that we're saying we're a multipolar world now, as if to imply a unipolar world where we're on top is the norm where we should be.
01:34:18.000It's kind of crazy if you think about it.
01:36:40.000I said what we should do, because the rainbow flag murals is just, like, I'll pay for a Gadsden flag mural in the street somewhere, and then, you know, they will tread all over it.
01:36:56.000I think it's good when people leave tire marks on the road.
01:37:13.000And spinning around and doing donuts in the middle of the street could get people killed, so probably not a good idea.
01:37:18.000And I also take the more libertarian approach that if a community wants to pay for paint in the street, they're allowed to, but the idea that they're going to charge someone with a felony For driving on the road is absolutely insane.
01:37:29.000It's a thought crime, is what they're accusing him of.
01:37:32.000The doing of donuts is reckless endangerment.
01:38:09.000You don't see the results very frequently, and they're definitely not news.
01:38:13.000My thing is, look, if a community wants to paint something in the street, don't destroy it.
01:38:20.000If they vote to do it, it's done through the proper channels and everything like that.
01:38:24.000In New York, the governor stole money to print Black Lives Matter in front of Trump's hotel, and that was criminal and illegal, and then had police on it.
01:38:33.000But if we're going to be any kind of functioning government that believes in the founding principles, then we solve all of these problems through what the Founding Fathers hoped we would solve them with.
01:39:07.000And they kept sending petition after petition to the Crown, and the Crown said screw off until finally a year and a month into it, they were like, guys, I think they mean to bring war to us, so... They were far more conservative than the French revolutionaries, people forget that.
01:39:20.000Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and the French revolutionaries were nuts!
01:40:08.000That's why they're treating it differently.
01:40:10.000I agree with you, you know, obviously, if there's reckless endangerment on the road and things like that, but, you know, these things are being elevated beyond what they should be at a statutory level because it's, you know, it's a secret blasphemy law.
01:40:21.000That's not on the books, but that's how they're going to treat it.
01:40:23.000Well, the escalation of these crimes, like in New York when the dude burned the pride flag and they charge him with a hate crime over it.
01:40:29.000Well, there were these drunk frat guys that were walking, you know, in the West Village, and they just threw a few of these little plastic, uh, you know, pride flags on the floor, and they tried to charge them with felonies.
01:40:54.000Tons of tweets from tons of people, whether they're admitting it or not, switching to the Republican Party and voting for Donald Trump.
01:41:01.000Some people have been explicit and just said outright, then Trump it is, like Jeremy Kaufman said that he's going to be voting for Trump after just making fun of Trump supporters.
01:41:11.000It's funny how a lot of people are like, well, okay, Trump it is, I guess, like with Ron DeSantis' supporters say, I will never do it.
01:41:20.000If you at all care about things like family values, then you have to vote hilariously for Donald Trump because the other two were the trans, the kids candidates, you know, it's like LGBT education in fifth grade and et cetera, et cetera.
01:41:37.000So if you have any interest, In seeing any kind of attention being paid to family values, you have to vote for Donald Trump.
01:41:51.000The fact that we have so much focus on LGBT issues, when we have so many actual family problems, LGBT issues are a small, small minority that don't actually have an effect on most people's lives.
01:42:06.000Actually things like, you know, single parent homes, those things have a lot of effect on society.
01:42:11.000Yeah, marriage rates, single family homes, you know, participation of fathers
01:42:32.000For me, I would go back to the open borders thing, right?
01:42:36.000Like I will never vote for an open borders candidate.
01:42:39.000There's no way you convince me there's no compromise there.
01:42:44.000So for the libertarians, there's no way to say, like, we'll fall in line now because they are so divided on some of these key issues.
01:42:50.000And I understand being dedicated to the philosophy, and I think it's important to have conversations about sort of what you were talking about this weekend, like what small L libertarianism means and how it can influence how you set policy.
01:43:01.000If you want to see less illegal immigration, you cannot pick an open borders candidate.
01:43:08.000If you want to see family values become the main focus of our political conversation, you cannot pick someone who is focusing their attention on LGBTQ issues.
01:43:18.000If someone came out and said, I'm going to lower your tax rate by 10, but it's still going to be 15.
01:43:23.000Are you going to be against that because you're philosophically opposed to the income tax?
01:43:26.000No, you want to move things in the right direction on the margin.
01:43:29.000So if you're going to engage- Not libertarians.
01:43:39.000There's a lot of libertarians who are sensible who understand that they're going to engage in the political process, not because they're expecting some stateless society overnight, but because they recognize that they can move things in the right direction, they can get their taxes lowered, they can move things in regards to regulations, whatever it may be.
01:43:54.000They're willing to engage in that process.
01:43:56.000The LP, I don't know exactly what they're trying to do, probably none of that, but if they want to be engaged, if they do care, they should certainly vote for Trump because that's the only thing they're going to get.
01:45:33.000And then, of course, you have the libertarians who are just screaming at the wall.
01:45:36.000These endless wars that are built, that have been built over 80 plus years, you cannot just stop with a snap of a finger.
01:45:45.000Donald Trump sets a timeline for Afghanistan withdrawal, tries to get our troops out of Syria, negotiates the Abraham Accords, tries to make peace with North Korea and Venezuela, imperfectly, and many other places.
01:45:58.000And the libertarians are like, I don't care.
01:46:02.000He inherited wars and he didn't shut them down.
01:46:22.000But the goal was to get our troops out.
01:46:24.000When Joe Biden pulls our troops out without any air cover or logistics, the whole thing implodes and becomes a massive disaster.
01:46:33.000But I swear I talked to these libertarians and they're like, Trump didn't start any wars, but he was sure engaging in them.
01:46:39.000And I'm like, yes, because they exist and he has to work to stop them.
01:46:44.000It is shocking to me that there are libertarians that are so stupid.
01:46:49.000That when you offered a president who literally, the first president in my lifetime to be like, I'm ending these wars, they go, no, not good enough.
01:47:21.000That's exactly what they're doing on a larger political scale.
01:47:24.000I view Libertarians as like, you know, we're all standing here at the bottom of this mountain going, guys, we want to figure out how to get to the top of this mountain.
01:47:33.000It's a big mountain, how do we get to the top?
01:47:35.000And the Libertarians go, we should be at the top of the mountain.
01:47:37.000I'll only vote for someone who gets me to the top of the mountain by next week.
01:47:40.000It's like, okay, well, it's going to take 10 years to climb our way up.
01:47:44.000A couple of administrations, a lot of hard work, but we can maybe make it 20% of the way.
01:47:50.000Unless you promise me that within one week we're at the top of that mountain, I will not vote for you.
01:47:54.000And then they go around complaining to everybody about how, you know, when we asked Tim to lead us up Everest, he only got us 20% of the way!
01:48:03.000You know, why didn't he get us to the summit?
01:48:06.000Almost sounded Trumpian there for a second.
01:48:07.000Yeah, it's just some people are just too stupid.
01:48:32.000The uni-party establishment, however you want to describe them, they play at the generational game.
01:48:36.000They're not playing it just cycle by cycle.
01:48:38.000They're not demanding things change overnight.
01:48:40.000They understand this is a game on the margins, moving the needle, and they're going to push it, push it, push it, until they're in the place they want to.
01:48:45.000The libertarians are just acting like spoiled children.
01:50:05.000That monopolies form because governments cut deals with them.
01:50:08.000But, man, you know, look, they talk about private policing, we want to privatize the police force, and they never actually explain how it would be.
01:50:18.000To be fair, Michael Malice probably had the best argument when he said, well, the mafias negotiate with each other, and they're like private police forces, essentially.
01:50:25.000But they become states, that's the thing.
01:50:28.000All this human society originally started as these small little protective units.
01:50:33.000Your little clan, your little fiefdom, you know, I'll protect you, you start giving me your grain, start giving me your resources.
01:50:39.000They eventually develop into states, so I'm trying to figure out how they argue that from the state of nature you don't develop the states.
01:50:45.000They're trying to argue that having no state is natural.
01:50:49.000If the argument is, let's reverse course and restart with a market system, then build back up into a monopolistic force system, fine I guess.
01:51:00.000But you know what happens if you get private police?
01:51:02.000Within 20 years, you have a single monopolistic police department.
01:51:07.000One police station becomes bigger, gets into conflict with a neighboring small-town police station and says, guys, we need to set up an agreement so we figure this out.
01:51:15.000And then they basically just have a treaty in place.
01:51:18.000And then eventually the bigger one goes to the boss and says, come work for us, we'll buy you out.
01:52:19.000As soon as you start to solve one thing, it becomes a problem in another area.
01:52:23.000Alright, Quantum Strange Quark says libertarians might have chosen a radical like Oliver, knowing that a good portion of their base would vote for Trump instead.
01:52:33.000I mean, the only explanation there would be that Mike Termat intentionally sabotaged Recktenwald to get the leftist in, so that would happen.
01:53:01.000Angela McArdle got re-elected as the chair of the LP, so I mean, that's huge.
01:53:07.000With her, Dave Smith, and Clint as well, but I don't know how involved Clint was, but Angela setting up the LP National Convention with RFK, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Trump, it's the most relevant the LPS ever been.
01:53:21.000If Dave Smith ran, They might have got more than Gary Johnson.
01:55:42.000That's what I find so fascinating about, like, the Libertarian Party as opposed to, sort of, the political philosophy.
01:55:47.000That, like, every time they have a convention, they must have to rehash these fundamental issues.
01:55:52.000Like, if the Republicans have a convention, there might be some that are like, this is how we think we should handle abortion or immigration, you know, maybe we're pro-amnesty and whatever.
01:56:00.000And, like, these are... the other ones might be like, no amnesty, deport everybody.
01:56:05.000But Ultimately, they can probably reconcile more than some people who are like, we don't want any government, but I want no government and no border, and you want no government and a border.
01:56:30.000I think the only reason the Libertarian Party actually exists functionally Uh, there's like the Green Party, right, but they're not relevant.
01:56:57.000And so what happens is you get someone who's going, well, why can't I, you know, flip my car upside down in the middle of the road and then dump gasoline all over the place?
01:57:34.000So if you're a libertarian, if you're a left libertarian, you're, you're essentially doing, you're essentially the same thing as, and you know, you want the same things as Democrats.
01:57:42.000Maybe you're, you have a different opinion on guns.
01:57:51.000Sticks says, or is it Anax Colossi, Tim, I personally got a hard-to-ignore bad omen feeling when he wouldn't confirm that he would seek prosecutions against those traitors.
01:58:01.000I think the issue with me saying people want to seek prosecutions is you can't expect Donald Trump to publicly declare war on the heads of massive multinational corporations before he's got any power.
01:58:17.000Like, if I were to right now announce that I was suing somebody, no lawyer would probably take the case.
01:58:23.000They'd be like, no way, you just destroyed your chance of winning a lawsuit.
01:58:39.000So Donald Trump's between a rock and a hard place on this one, where of course the voter base wants to hear him say it, but his lawyers are probably like, don't say anything like that because it'll be turned political.
01:58:49.000It will negatively impact the pursuit.
01:58:51.000If Trump gets elected and then an AG does file an indictment against Fauci or bring it to a grand jury, they'll say Trump did it as a political stunt.
01:59:00.000He's just, he's doing it for politicking, just like the Republicans are saying of Democrats.
01:59:04.000I think one of the best things he said in the interview is when he alluded to the fact that he trusted the wrong people.
01:59:16.000I thought that was one of the bigger takeaways.
01:59:18.000I agree with you on the prosecution front.
01:59:19.000You can't just come out there and start leveling all these crazy over-the-top threats and not think there's going to be consequences in the run-up to the election.
01:59:26.000But I thought that was a massive takeaway from the personnel standpoint.
01:59:30.000The Elder Millennial says, Tim, this question came up in my college philosophy class back in 2005.
01:59:35.000What is the difference between ethics and morals?
01:59:40.000I don't know if there is a deeper philosophical answer that I don't know, based on the definition.
01:59:46.000My understanding is that ethics is like the professional boundaries of what is deemed acceptable, and morals is what you think is good and right in life.
01:59:57.000So there's an overlap, but a general distinction.
02:00:41.000It's just, in this circumstance, we are concerned of untoward influence.
02:00:46.000Giving someone $200 is not a violation of anyone's morals if it was meaningful, and in fact, the ethics rule actually doesn't even apply if you have a prior relationship to the individual.
02:00:55.000So if you know somebody for 20 years, your friends, actually, if you know someone for a week, and you're friends, and then a week later he goes, hey, I'm running for office, you go, huh.
02:01:02.000And then he runs for office, you can give him gifts all day and night.
02:01:04.000It's like, this is my friend before he was running for office.
02:01:07.000So the ethics is just like how we try to have boundaries and professionalism to avoid the perception of, you know, or to prevent the oncoming of impropriety.
02:01:18.000And morals are like, don't do bad things, I guess.