Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Trump Would-Be Assassin CHARGED By DOJ For Trying To END Trump's Life w-Dinesh D'Souza | Timcast IRL

00:00:00.000 The Trump would be assassin has now been formally charged by the DOJ for an attempted assassination

00:00:26.000 Initially, it was some weird gun charge, but after the news broke that he had some hidden letter offering up a massive bounty on Donald Trump, the DOJ has now issued these formal charges.

00:00:35.000 But the story is interesting because just yesterday, Time magazine published a story about the third assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

00:00:43.000 An Iranian individual, or I'm sorry, Pakistani who was working the best of Iran, was arrested and his plot was foiled.

00:00:49.000 They go into great detail.

00:00:49.000 When the DOJ announced the indictment, they just said on politicians or political officials, they didn't mention Trump, but Time Magazine says they've all but confirmed it was Trump.

00:00:59.000 Now, I'm wondering what connection this guy had with potentially the first assassination attempt because they arrested him the day before it happened, claimed that they heightened security on Donald Trump, but actually did not.

00:01:11.000 It's a very strange story.

00:01:13.000 We will talk about that.

00:01:14.000 There's a lot going on today, my friends, but Oh jeez, how do I even say this one?

00:01:18.000 The son of the would-be assassin was arrested, was announced he was arrested on, let's just keep it family-friendly, child abuse imagery.

00:01:26.000 So the whole thing just gets very, very strange.

00:01:28.000 And then we've got the new Quinnipiac poll showing Donald Trump is leading nationally against Kamala Harris.

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00:03:49.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Dinesh D'Souza.

00:03:53.000 Hey Tim, great to be back on the show and I'm doing a little bit of the movie tour these days.

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00:04:13.000 So vindicatingtrump.com.

00:04:14.000 Right on.

00:04:15.000 And I think most people know who you are, but you're a filmmaker.

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00:04:23.000 Yeah, well, I guess mostly I've been an author for most of my career.

00:04:26.000 I've been at various think tanks.

00:04:28.000 And then I did Obama's America a decade ago, and this is my eighth documentary film, so I feel like a bit of a veteran these days.

00:04:36.000 And I'm glad to see a lot of other people doing films, and I think it's opening up a good space for us.

00:04:41.000 Absolutely.

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00:04:42.000 It should be fun.

00:04:43.000 Thanks for hanging out.

00:04:43.000 We've got a lot hanging out.

00:04:44.000 Hey, everybody.

00:04:45.000 What's up?

00:04:45.000 My name is Elad Eliyahu, a resident neocon Jewish affair correspondent and field reporter here at TimCast News.

00:04:52.000 Dinesh, thank you so much for stopping by.

00:04:54.000 I'm looking forward to talking to you today on the show.

00:04:56.000 Only the neocon part was right.

00:04:58.000 I feel like that's the only part people pay attention to nowadays.

00:05:00.000 I mean, it's all made up just for attention, but that's OK.

00:05:03.000 I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.

00:05:04.000 I'm a writer for sdnr.com.

00:05:05.000 I'm happy to co-host tonight.

00:05:06.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:05:07.000 Let's get started.

00:05:08.000 Here's the big story.

00:05:09.000 NBC News reporting.

00:05:10.000 This is from 6.50 p.m.

00:05:12.000 today, Eastern Time.

00:05:14.000 Ryan Routh, arrested near Trump's Florida golf course, is charged with attempted assassination.

00:05:19.000 So it is formal.

00:05:20.000 Previously, he'd only been charged with possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.

00:05:28.000 So the indictment, unsealed Tuesday, alleges that Ryan Wesley Routh, is it Routh, Ruth?

00:05:32.000 I don't know.

00:05:33.000 I like Routh.

00:05:33.000 Routh, did intentionally attempt to kill former President of the United States Donald J. Trump, a major presidential candidate, when he was camped out near where Trump was golfing in West Palm Beach, Florida.

00:05:44.000 It also added two other charges, possessing a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence and assaulting a federal officer.

00:05:49.000 Oh, that part we didn't know.

00:05:51.000 Ruth Routh, whatever, had previously been charged with possession of a firearm by a felon. 0.78

00:05:55.000 We read that part already.

00:05:56.000 The case has been assigned to U.S.

00:05:58.000 District Judge Eileen Cannon.

00:06:00.000 Wow.

00:06:00.000 That's really interesting.

00:06:02.000 The Trump nominee who dismissed the criminal classified documents against the former president earlier this year.

00:06:07.000 That is so interesting.

00:06:09.000 OK.

00:06:10.000 The indictment comes just one day after Trump issued a statement accusing the DOJ of downplaying the alleged assassination plot against him this month and suggesting state officials in Florida take over the case.

00:06:19.000 OK.

00:06:20.000 So Bill Maher comes out on his show and he says it's not funny that they're trying to kill Trump.

00:06:24.000 Eileen Cannon is assigned to the case.

00:06:26.000 A Trump nominee who dismissed the classified documents case is now overseeing the guy who tried to kill Trump.

00:06:32.000 Trump says that the DOJ is downplaying this.

00:06:35.000 Is there something going on where Trump is winning?

00:06:38.000 Is the DOJ getting scared that Donald Trump winning is bad for the bad actors so they're trying?

00:06:45.000 Are there people in the DOJ who are saying, look, Trump's going to win and we all know it.

00:06:48.000 We better start treating him nice.

00:06:52.000 That's a tough one.

00:06:54.000 I look at it this way.

00:06:56.000 The remarkable thing to me is Trump's reaction to these two assassination attempts, which is downright classic and unique to him.

00:07:07.000 And it's hard to think of anyone else who would react this way to either one.

00:07:11.000 I mean, with the second assassination, of course, he's annoyed that he's interrupted in his golf game.

00:07:15.000 He was about to make an amazing shot.

00:07:17.000 Then he posts on social media, zero for two, so he's kind of keeping score.

00:07:22.000 That was good.

00:07:23.000 Right?

00:07:23.000 I mean, think about that.

00:07:24.000 And the first assassination attempt, you know, it got me to look.

00:07:28.000 I remember reading a passage in Aristotle, of all people, a long time ago, on the issue of courage.

00:07:36.000 And I went back and looked at it because Aristotle discusses whether courage is a matter of being without fear.

00:07:42.000 And Aristotle says, no, that's actually not what courage is, because the reckless man is without fear.

00:07:49.000 If some guy goes to a precipice, is ready to jump off, you know, he doesn't know if there are rocks below, that guy is fearless. 1.00

00:07:55.000 He's an idiot. 1.00

00:07:56.000 So Aristotle goes, there's the reckless man on one hand, and then there's the coward on the other extreme. 1.00

00:08:01.000 The courageous man is in the middle.

00:08:03.000 He has fear.

00:08:04.000 He doesn't overcome it.

00:08:06.000 But he also knows what he's going up against and what he's going for, and he's willing to take the risk.

00:08:11.000 So this, I think, is Trump.

00:08:14.000 And we see it not just with the assassination attempts, we see it also, by the way, in the way he has handled these criminal charges.

00:08:21.000 Because I think you know, you guys all know, that if any other Republican was facing three criminal charges, they would have fled the field.

00:08:29.000 Yeah.

00:08:30.000 I think that's great, because I've heard very similar.

00:08:33.000 Courage requires fear.

00:08:35.000 Courage is overcoming that fear in front of you and doing what has to be done.

00:08:39.000 It's doing what must be done despite your fear.

00:08:42.000 Exactly.

00:08:43.000 Exactly.

00:08:43.000 And because Aristotle has the famous doctrine of the mean, you know, the virtue is always in the middle of two extremes, so recklessness on the one hand, timidity or cowardice on the other.

00:08:53.000 But there's also There's also a confidence or an arrogance that could be applied this as well.

00:08:59.000 I mean, it may not be that you're reckless.

00:09:02.000 It could be that I got to be honest.

00:09:05.000 I don't know if Trump fits perfectly into that that paradigm.

00:09:08.000 I think Trump is just so sure of himself.

00:09:11.000 He's not afraid.

00:09:13.000 He's not reckless.

00:09:14.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:09:15.000 But he also doesn't have fear because he's sure.

00:09:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:19.000 And to be honest, Trump is one of the few people I've seen who has aggressively defended his own egotism.

00:09:26.000 Trump says that egotism is I mean, he says that egotism is not a vice, it's a virtue.

00:09:33.000 Now, he says it's a virtue because egotism is required to do great things.

00:09:38.000 I personally have a different view of his egotism, and I discuss this a little bit in my book on Trump.

00:09:43.000 His egotism is his own personal wall.

00:09:46.000 Meaning if any guy is facing the kind of attack that Trump is, a normal person would crumble, right?

00:09:51.000 You'd go into the fetal position.

00:09:52.000 You'd just be sort of emotionally destroyed.

00:09:54.000 So you have to have a massive ego that insulates you and allows you to sort of shut out some of this craziness and forge ahead.

00:10:04.000 So I think Trump's egotism is a political asset.

00:10:06.000 Do you think that Trump can view different aspects of the government differently?

00:10:13.000 Like, one of the things that struck me after the first assassination attempt is that the entire Trump family came out and said, no, there are really good agents that protect us.

00:10:20.000 We like them, while simultaneously being open to the idea that there was a failure.

00:10:25.000 And in this case, he's saying, you know, the DOJ is not trustworthy.

00:10:29.000 I think this is sort of an interesting characteristic, that he is both dependent on the Secret Service day to day.

00:10:35.000 It's not like they could just hire a private security team to step in and replace the Secret Service, and at the same time, he doesn't totally trust the federal government right now.

00:10:45.000 I mean, the eerie fact which sort of can't be avoided is Trump is dependent for his security on a regime that is trying every other which way to destroy this guy, right?

00:10:58.000 I mean, it's the regime that has criminal charges against him.

00:11:01.000 They have done the character assassination that in some ways has emboldened the actual would-be assassins.

00:11:07.000 So Trump is in a very strange position.

00:11:09.000 Now, admittedly, looking back in American history, At least when I was a younger man in my earlier career, no one thought this was an issue.

00:11:17.000 I mean, no one thought, for example, that John Kerry would not get proper Secret Service protection because George W. Bush is out to do him in.

00:11:28.000 This is a question that has emerged only now and I think reflects our deep distrust of these institutions and the ruthless way in which they have gone after him trying to lock up the leading candidate of the opposition party for life.

00:11:41.000 Right.

00:11:42.000 Despite this obviously being widely condemned by most elected officials, political commentators, I think it unfortunately speaks to the political climate that we're in and it's only going to get worse.

00:11:53.000 I think Tim was pulling up a poll earlier That said, Democrats, Independents, Republicans across the board are anticipating and concerned about more political violence, copycat attempts, things like this.

00:12:08.000 I've said it before, these guys get Secret Service protection.

00:12:11.000 Most Senators, no Senators does, maybe the Leader of the House does. 0.54

00:12:15.000 I think Nancy Pelosi does, like some of the highest ranking members of Congress do, but it's mostly the Vice President. 1.00

00:12:20.000 There was still somebody who was able to get to Nancy Pelosi's husband, so it's scary how much damage one person who is very motivated can do.

00:12:31.000 And Trump just announced that he'll have his October 5th rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:12:36.000 I mean, he's returning to the same site, which is fascinating.

00:12:39.000 And again, it brings up that question of, like, is this just a level of boldness that no other American has kind of pulled off?

00:12:45.000 Or is it courageous?

00:12:46.000 Is he symbolically saying, like, you cannot intimidate me.

00:12:50.000 I'm going to return to this spot where, you know, I was hit by a bullet.

00:12:54.000 I think that this is the question with American leadership, especially given that Biden and Kamala Harris are so famously inaccessible to the media and therefore to their constituents.

00:13:03.000 I think, you know, you're mentioning Trump defending his egotism.

00:13:06.000 I think.

00:13:07.000 I think Trump is largely driven by his ego.

00:13:11.000 I think he wants to do good.

00:13:12.000 I don't think it defines him.

00:13:14.000 But there's a lot of people who don't want to believe that.

00:13:16.000 They think, no, no, no, Trump's altruistic.

00:13:17.000 He's doing this for the greater good of everyone else.

00:13:19.000 And I'm like, I think Trump internally wants to be loved.

00:13:22.000 I don't think it's a bad thing.

00:13:23.000 I think it's a good thing to want other people to respect you for the hard work that you do, for what you accomplish.

00:13:28.000 And I think it's… exactly who Trump is.

00:13:32.000 If you meet the guy, and I'm sure you've met him on many more occasions than I have, he tries really hard to be nice to you.

00:13:38.000 He tries to be respectful to you, to a complete stranger, because he's a good person, largely.

00:13:45.000 And when he meets you, he's trying to make sure that you see him positively.

00:13:50.000 I think that's a good thing.

00:13:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I think you have to put this against the backdrop.

00:13:54.000 I mean, look at it this way.

00:13:56.000 If we were Trump, And we had Mar-a-Lago.

00:13:59.000 You got sort of a billion dollars plus lying around somewhere.

00:14:04.000 You got grandchildren.

00:14:05.000 You have maybe ten years left to live.

00:14:08.000 And somebody asks you, well, you know, are you going to put yourself in a position where you will be flayed on every platform every second of every day?

00:14:19.000 You'll face criminal charges to lock you up for the rest of your life.

00:14:22.000 You'll face Two, maybe more assassination attempts.

00:14:26.000 No normal person would go for that deal.

00:14:28.000 You know, it's kind of like the scene in My Cousin Vinny. 0.98

00:14:31.000 Do I take the $200 or the ass-kicking, you know? 0.92

00:14:33.000 It's not really a hard choice. 0.98

00:14:35.000 So... After the first assassination attempt.

00:14:39.000 He gets Sunday off and then he and his family are at the RNC working like nothing happened.

00:14:43.000 That to me is absolutely insane.

00:14:45.000 It's insane.

00:14:46.000 I'm like, take a day off, bro.

00:14:47.000 We're cool with it, you know?

00:14:48.000 And look at the Republicans.

00:14:50.000 I mean, if this had happened to Kamala Harris or Biden, the Democrats would be screaming.

00:14:56.000 The press would be screaming.

00:14:58.000 They'd be on the House floor, on the Senate floor.

00:15:00.000 Whereas there's a kind of, to me at least, a creepy silence from Republicans.

00:15:05.000 One or two exceptions to that, but by and large, Republicans are acting like it's no big deal.

00:15:10.000 Or they're letting the mainstream media dictate it.

00:15:12.000 I mean, I think that's so much the difference between Democrats and Republicans right now, which is in part because I think there is a stronger relationship between mainstream media outlets and Democratic politicians, right?

00:15:23.000 They have the ear and the ear wants to hear what they have to say, so to speak.

00:15:27.000 But, you know, there are Republicans who have pushed, you know, the FBI directors or Different people for answers about what happened in Butler, and I guess now we'll have another one.

00:15:37.000 I know Josh Hawley has brought forward a whistleblower, but it's almost like every other Republican knows, well, if I bring it up, the media is not going to pay attention to me, and if I am trying to, you know, get some media attention, this isn't something that I can talk about.

00:15:54.000 It's allowing themselves to be siloed, but I could understand if you have limited resources as a congressman and you're trying to, you know, Talk about something that matters to your constituents, you may have to make a choice between the assassination attempt and, you know, agricultural issues.

00:16:06.000 Well, let's jump to this story from Time Magazine.

00:16:09.000 Iran, Trump, and the third assassination plot.

00:16:12.000 Now, we did have a Super Chat the other night that said actually we're at number seven.

00:16:16.000 I think it was this morning we're at number seven with a bunch of different instances that happened.

00:16:18.000 There were like ricin letters that were sent and no one's really keeping track of the lesser-known ones.

00:16:23.000 But this story is pretty crazy because the DOJ put out a statement about the arrest of Asif Raza Merchant.

00:16:28.000 And they said that he was arrested for targeting political individuals.

00:16:31.000 Time Magazine is now saying that is Donald Trump. 0.79

00:16:34.000 He was scouting out Donald Trump's rallies, counting what their security was, things of this nature, and was authorized, apparently by Iran, to offer up to $1 million to kill Donald Trump. 0.97

00:16:45.000 This is absolutely insane. 0.60

00:16:47.000 So this guy's been arrested.

00:16:48.000 He was arrested on July 12th, one day before the attempt on Trump's life.

00:16:52.000 They say that when he was arrested, Secret Service decided to up security on Trump, but then clearly did not.

00:16:58.000 Something doesn't add up.

00:16:59.000 But the big point of the story is, we could be looking at, on the surface, based on the news, there have now been three assassination attempts on Donald Trump.

00:17:09.000 One was stopped abruptly before this guy, a foreign actor, could have actually enacted his plan.

00:17:17.000 Then you have the next day, someone actually struck Donald Trump with a bullet.

00:17:21.000 And now, of course, you have the Ryan Routh story.

00:17:25.000 I fear for the worst.

00:17:26.000 We're entering October. 0.94

00:17:28.000 I hope the October surprise is something dumb, like a laptop gets found in a hardware store or something.

00:17:34.000 Not anything related to this, but I'm curious what you guys think. 0.55

00:17:36.000 Well, Melania Trump's memoir is coming out in October, so maybe that's the October surprise.

00:17:40.000 I doubt it would be bad for Trump.

00:17:43.000 Maybe that's good for me.

00:17:44.000 I think one of the important details here is that Iran was planning an assassination attempt against Donald Trump and not Joe Biden.

00:17:51.000 And the reason for that is because under Donald Trump is when they killed Qasem Soleimani, leader of the IRGC.

00:17:59.000 I think Iran had multiple plots to kill John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump as a result of that killing.

00:18:06.000 I'm happy they are unsuccessful, and we should continue taking out the upper echelons of the IRGC as retaliation for doing things like this.

00:18:14.000 This is outrageous.

00:18:15.000 It's absolutely outrageous, and the shocking fear is that were they to have been successful, this country is going to full-scale war, and that can only mean the absolute worst.

00:18:25.000 So I remember reading the reporting when this was first reported on, and it was a little bit absurd because it made it look like this guy wanted to fund an assassination but not do it himself.

00:18:41.000 And according to the reporting, he was going around apparently with an Uber driver or a limo, wanting to stop at clubs to recruit an assassin.

00:18:49.000 I mean, it seemed crazy.

00:18:51.000 And so I thought, this is obviously not serious.

00:18:54.000 Now, obviously, it is serious.

00:18:56.000 And there are some new developments here.

00:18:58.000 I think it's very interesting that the thing that catches my attention from what you just said, is the fact that they suppressed the fact that Trump was the target.

00:19:08.000 And that's probably because they thought that if they say it, it's going to help them politically.

00:19:13.000 That would be a reason for the DOJ to go, well, it was just some high-ranking officials.

00:19:18.000 Look at this.

00:19:19.000 This is the DOJ release on September 11th.

00:19:21.000 Pakistani national ties to Iran charged in connection with FOIL plot to assassinate a politician or U.S.

00:19:26.000 government official.

00:19:28.000 And they had the evidence.

00:19:29.000 They knew exactly what he was trying to do. 0.98

00:19:31.000 Fortunately, the guy he met up with, because he's a moron, you know, no one accuses people of being smart, was an informant who immediately went to the to the feds. 0.96

00:19:39.000 And they were like, or I wonder if they say he was an informant.

00:19:42.000 I wonder if what actually happened was, when he went to the guy and said he wanted to pull this off, the guy panicked and called the FBI and said, hey, I am now a I had read, and I could be wrong, but in the early days, I remember a July reading that this man was known to U.S.

00:19:58.000 intelligence before he arrived in the U.S., and that he arrived in the U.S.

00:20:02.000 on a visa that was approved by a federal agency.

00:20:04.000 And to me, that always seems strange.

00:20:06.000 Like, if you know someone has malintentions, why did we approve a visa for them to, you know, come stay in the U.S.?

00:20:12.000 It seems like a way to prevent this to me, but I don't know.

00:20:17.000 The fact that he would then approach an FBI informant or whoever, like that also seems sort of strange.

00:20:24.000 I totally believe that there are threats to not just Trump, but all kinds of top officials that we'd never hear about because they're stopped so early in their tracks or because they never escalated anything else.

00:20:34.000 I think that's par for the course.

00:20:35.000 I think anybody in public eye probably deals with similar things.

00:20:40.000 What bothers me about this case is that, you know, This became the focus over what was happening in Butler.

00:20:47.000 We weren't getting any information about the person who actually shot Trump.

00:20:50.000 We were getting a fair amount of information about this plot that they had successfully foiled.

00:20:55.000 And to me, this is, again, collusion with the mainstream media.

00:20:58.000 They're running cover for federal agencies when the agencies don't deserve it.

00:21:02.000 If journalism is supposed to give you the truth, then they all should be saying, great about Iran. 0.77

00:21:07.000 We're happy to cover it.

00:21:07.000 Tell us more about what happened in Pennsylvania.

00:21:10.000 I have a question for you, Dinesh.

00:21:13.000 What's your stance on foreign war, foreign policy?

00:21:16.000 Are you, you know, I don't want to be too, you know, are you for Ukraine, Israel or anything like that, but like in general, how do you feel about foreign intervention?

00:21:25.000 I generally, I think I would say I'm by and large with Trump on this, and here's what I mean by that.

00:21:32.000 I'm not an isolationist.

00:21:35.000 I'm reluctant to intervene.

00:21:37.000 I certainly am very reluctant to commit troops, but so was Reagan.

00:21:41.000 So if I think back to my Reagan days, I think Reagan was quite prudent.

00:21:45.000 Reagan was also much more transactional than we give him credit for.

00:21:48.000 We think of Reagan as ideological because it was the Cold War.

00:21:51.000 But remember, Reagan was very tough on the Soviets in the first term, and then he became surprisingly accommodationist with Gorbachev in the second term.

00:22:00.000 And that's when the neocons were bashing Reagan. 0.98

00:22:02.000 They're like, he's an idiot, he's falling for Gorbachev's lie, and he doesn't realize Gorbachev is the same as Andropov and Chernenko and Brezhnev. 0.99

00:22:11.000 So I think what happened is I got a little suckered into the Bush deal. 0.99

00:22:16.000 When the Iraq thing first came out, I thought to myself, This is so dumb that the obvious stated rationale can't be the real reason for going into Iraq. 0.87

00:22:26.000 There must be like another clever reason they're not telling us.

00:22:30.000 And I thought it was more like the old Western movies, you know, where the new sheriff goes into the bar, the bad guys are there, but he doesn't really know who they are.

00:22:38.000 So he just pistol whips a few guys and he just goes, you know, hey, there's a new sheriff in town.

00:22:43.000 That was sort of my way of thinking about the Iraq War when it first happened.

00:22:47.000 But now, I think, with some perspective, I think that this was a very bad road to go down.

00:22:54.000 So I've revised my way of looking at foreign policy, partly because I think I understand better that war is a racket, no less than, let's say, welfare programs or housing programs.

00:23:06.000 Well, here's what I ask, because I imagined that you'd probably be somewhere in the Trump realm, where Trump's like, with limited purpose, we might go in places, but we got Iraq war, etc.

00:23:16.000 If Iran definitively was proven, and I don't mean like the federal government came out and said trust us, I mean literally we knew for a fact Iran orchestrated the assassination of Donald Trump, would you then support military reprisal against Iran for that action?

00:23:30.000 Absolutely.

00:23:31.000 Me too, 100%.

00:23:32.000 And I am very, very anti-intervention, more so than you and Donald Trump in a lot of ways.

00:23:36.000 I was anti-war in the 2000s.

00:23:37.000 But we've talked about this quite a bit, and this is what scares me the most about this story, is that I don't want to go to war with Iran. 0.86

00:23:43.000 I don't want to be involved in foreign conflict.

00:23:45.000 I don't like that we're funding the war in Ukraine.

00:23:47.000 I do not like the U.S.

00:23:48.000 involvement, all of these things.

00:23:50.000 I know a lot disagrees.

00:23:51.000 But if a foreign government, an adversary of our country, were to assassinate one of our leaders, even if it was Joe Biden, you can't—I don't understand morally and logically you survive as a nation if you allow your enemies to literally kill your leaders.

00:24:08.000 Okay, so if they successfully assassinate Donald Trump, then we go to war with Iran. 0.78

00:24:14.000 What do we do if they attempt it?

00:24:16.000 What do you think the penalty should be now?

00:24:18.000 That's a terrifying question.

00:24:21.000 The question really would come down to definitive evidence that we know for a fact it was Iran, the IRGC.

00:24:26.000 I think there's a preponderance of evidence right now for the public on the surface.

00:24:31.000 Iran definitely was doing this. 0.99

00:24:32.000 The killing of Soleimani, they vowed retribution publicly.

00:24:36.000 The guy's mouth is moving as the words are coming out of his mouth.

00:24:38.000 We know they intend to do this.

00:24:40.000 However, there is a question of murder versus attempted murder.

00:24:45.000 And do we escalate to an extreme degree, which is severe international conflict in the Middle East with Iran, a mountainous nation with anti-aircraft capabilities?

00:24:54.000 I mean, I don't want to get into war with anybody.

00:24:56.000 I don't like the idea of the U.S.

00:24:57.000 getting involved in these things.

00:24:58.000 But I will just say this.

00:25:00.000 I can sit here and say, in my heart of hearts, no war.

00:25:03.000 We have to avoid it at all costs, no matter what.

00:25:06.000 But I don't know how you function diplomatically with other countries, and even hold treaties, if an enemy can kill one of your leaders, or even frontrunners for an election, and then nothing happens.

00:25:16.000 I mean, that's a declaration of war.

00:25:18.000 I guess I'm the resident neocon, because I will take it a step further.

00:25:21.000 I think if you spill the blood of an American service member anywhere, we should probably go to war with you.

00:25:27.000 And that's what's already happened with our troops throughout the Middle East coming under attack by Iranian 0.82

00:25:32.000 proxies.

00:25:33.000 I think Joe Biden was weak to let those attacks go relatively unanswered because of this supposed fear of

00:25:38.000 escalation.

00:25:39.000 But I believe in peace through strength.

00:25:40.000 I sometimes you have to use the big stick.

00:25:44.000 That's I don't completely disagree.

00:25:46.000 But, you know, my fear of we lose service members because of Iran funding these militias and intentionally trying to 0.87

00:25:53.000 kill our servicemen and women. 0.99

00:25:54.000 And I do believe there has to be some kind of penalty in any circumstance for a murder, for killing. 0.96

00:26:00.000 But to go to war with Iran is not some minor—it is not Iraq, it is not Afghanistan.

00:26:04.000 We can start with our proxies in Iraq, Lebanon, and other countries.

00:26:09.000 Dinesh, I wanted to ask you, I feel like on the foreign policy question of our time has become if we should defend Taiwan if China invades.

00:26:16.000 I feel like they've been talking about that for most of your lifetime too now, but what do you think about that core question?

00:26:21.000 I know that's a...

00:26:24.000 I think we should do it.

00:26:25.000 By and large, I think that the way we handle these issues is, I like the sort of in-between position of the Reagan Doctrine.

00:26:34.000 So the Reagan Doctrine is, people should fight for their own freedom.

00:26:37.000 We don't actually fight for them.

00:26:38.000 They fight.

00:26:39.000 We help.

00:26:40.000 And that was Reagan's model when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.

00:26:44.000 The U.S.

00:26:44.000 did not deploy troops.

00:26:45.000 Even though this was a direct invasion of 100,000 troops, the United States sent some Stinger rockets.

00:26:51.000 You can shoot down Soviet helicopters.

00:26:53.000 So my point is that we should make it difficult and expensive and counter the Chinese attack. 0.99

00:27:00.000 But if you're asking if we should have a massive deployment of U.S.

00:27:02.000 troops, I would hesitate about that.

00:27:05.000 Is it not too different what we're doing now with Ukraine against Russia, what we did with Afghanistan against Russia, the Soviet Union when they invaded them?

00:27:14.000 Yeah, I think you can make an analogy because I think that in the Ukraine case now, it is a proxy war, right?

00:27:21.000 And the difference, I think, is the level of U.S.

00:27:26.000 national interest is not the same in the two cases.

00:27:29.000 In the Afghanistan case, you have to look at the background.

00:27:31.000 The Soviet Union had gobbled up 10 countries between 1974 with the fall of Vietnam.

00:27:37.000 So Afghanistan was number 10. 0.95

00:27:40.000 So, this idea of a kind of escalating Soviet Empire was a serious threat.

00:27:45.000 The US, I think, had a big strategic interest there.

00:27:49.000 And the US didn't provoke that war.

00:27:51.000 So, with Ukraine, there are all kinds of sort of other factors involved.

00:27:56.000 Of course, the Cold War is over.

00:27:57.000 We have a much smaller interest in Ukraine.

00:28:00.000 We're deploying relatively enormous resources in a war that's not so important to us.

00:28:05.000 But on the other hand, like, for example, I would make a distinction between our interests with Israel on the one side and Ukraine on the other.

00:28:13.000 I don't think that those are equivalent.

00:28:15.000 Part of the problem with our political debate right now is, you know, Mr. Trump, who do you want to win?

00:28:20.000 Ukraine or Putin?

00:28:23.000 As if that... I think that's such a weird way to phrase this.

00:28:25.000 Right?

00:28:25.000 As if that, like, settles the issue.

00:28:29.000 That does not settle the issue.

00:28:30.000 That doesn't even begin to settle the issue.

00:28:31.000 It's like they're asking about the Super Bowl.

00:28:32.000 Like, who do you want to win this year?

00:28:34.000 But Trump nailed it.

00:28:35.000 He says, I want the killing to stop.

00:28:36.000 I want the dying to stop.

00:28:38.000 And I'm like, agreed.

00:28:38.000 Well, I think, Dinesh, what you're saying is it's not black and white, right?

00:28:41.000 When you go to the negotiation table, nobody's going to be a winner there.

00:28:45.000 Ukraine is likely going to have to give up some parts that Russia conquered, and Russia will likely have to Likely give up much less, but neither side would go away happy.

00:28:55.000 It won't look like there's a clear winner on either side, especially with all the casualties Russia's taking.

00:28:59.000 And that's true of what's going on with Palestine and Israel, right? 0.95

00:29:03.000 There's no way to negotiate a deal there where everyone walks away being like, wow, this was great.

00:29:07.000 I'm so happy we did this.

00:29:09.000 I think it's why it's interesting to see so many people turn to Kamal Harris and say, we want to cease fire.

00:29:15.000 We want the release of all hostages and we want these in absolutes because It's a position she can never deliver on.

00:29:21.000 And I'm sad about that, right?

00:29:22.000 We want violence to stop.

00:29:24.000 On the other hand, there is not a solution that would make both parties happy.

00:29:28.000 And they are clearly not impressed with the Biden administration.

00:29:31.000 Otherwise, they would have come to the table by now.

00:29:33.000 Let's let's jump to this very weird story that everyone and their grandmother was sending me today because this news is very strange.

00:29:41.000 The son of the would-be Trump assassin, Ryan Routh, was arrested on child abuse imagery charges.

00:29:49.000 Apparently, what is it?

00:29:51.000 The Fed's investigators say they discovered hundreds of files With child abuse imagery.

00:29:56.000 I'm trying to be very family friendly as best I can.

00:29:59.000 This is shocking stuff.

00:30:00.000 During a search of Oren, that's his name?

00:30:02.000 His name's Oren?

00:30:03.000 Oren Routh's residence in Guilford County, North Carolina on Saturday conducted in connection with an investigation unrelated to child exploitation.

00:30:11.000 The two charges he faces include receipt of This material and possession of said material.

00:30:17.000 The unrelated investigation referred to his father who remains in custody.

00:30:21.000 A spokesperson with the U.S.

00:30:22.000 Attorney's Office for the Middle District of North Carolina confirmed to ABC News investigators said the imagery was found on a Samsung Galaxy Note device located inside his primary bedroom in the residence, as well as another Galaxy Note device in his possession.

00:30:33.000 A review of the SD card located in the device revealed that it contained hundreds of these images.

00:30:39.000 Child abuse.

00:30:40.000 Prosecutors wrote in the criminal complaint these files include videos from a known series, jeez, created outside the state of North Carolina.

00:30:49.000 This just seems absolutely insane.

00:30:51.000 But the crazy thing about it is, Epstein, now Diddy, the guy who's trying to go after Donald Trump's kid.

00:31:02.000 There are a lot of people that believe there's this great conspiracy theory of, you know, child abusers at powerful, you know, levels of government.

00:31:10.000 And this just has people saying, what the is going on?

00:31:16.000 I mean, I think it's really creepy.

00:31:17.000 I think it makes people unhappy because they realize how sensitive all of these issues are.

00:31:24.000 What I find kind of, I don't know what the right word is, but this was the son who gave the interview saying, you know, my father was a great, you know, good father and I don't really know why he did this, but of course he hated Trump like all reasonable people would.

00:31:37.000 And you want to say this person's yardstick for what's reasonable is becoming more and more warped to me.

00:31:43.000 I don't know that I trust his judgment.

00:31:46.000 I think that child sexual abuse material is actually really rampant in our country, and I think one of the reasons we're hearing about it more is because people are starting to take it more seriously.

00:31:55.000 Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

00:31:56.000 I was just going to say, for years, you know, when we heard about Pizzagate and so on, it was a little difficult to know if this was just some outrageous allegation being made or whether there really are these powerful pedophile rings in politics in Hollywood.

00:32:13.000 I guess I'm beginning to move to the fact that some of this may be real, right?

00:32:19.000 Well, Epstead is... we know it!

00:32:21.000 That's right.

00:32:21.000 And now Diddy!

00:32:22.000 What's going on with Diddy?

00:32:25.000 So, Usher apparently deleted all of his Twitter account, but then came back and said it was hacked and it got restored, but Pink deleted her Twitter account, and, you know, apparently, like, I don't know if... Serge, you know anything about this?

00:32:35.000 You were saying something like people are quitting or I don't know?

00:32:38.000 So you're saying before the show that a bunch of music executives are quitting but he took away his own microphone so now we can't have him comment on it.

00:32:47.000 I think I'll just say the obvious on this that it's obviously extremely gross but more widespread than we might realize and that's very unsettling.

00:32:55.000 It's obviously sickening and unthinkable to polite society, but there exists this like gross underworld

00:33:02.000 and I think it goes from the elites to non-elites and I don't think this is unique to just rich

00:33:08.000 people or poor people. I think this is a sickness that exists across the board and people need 0.99

00:33:13.000 to be on the lookout and concerned for and... I think this is what you know Hannah Clare was

00:33:18.000 saying is that people are starting to I think people are starting to realize how serious it is.

00:33:22.000 And I think when we learn about what Epstein was involved in, and now these Diddy stories, which is, I think the bulk of the story is just he was filming politicians with these weird romps and orgies, and there was trafficking involved, and there were underage girls and stuff.

00:33:35.000 These are all allegations, by the way, all the allegations.

00:33:38.000 I think there are, the powerful people who are involved in this have a vested interest in making sure the media stays away from it.

00:33:43.000 And so if you're a billionaire, if you're Epstein, I think he was worth half a billion, yeah, he's gonna, if he's got blackmail material on somebody, and you've got some connections to major media publications, that story ain't coming out.

00:33:55.000 Look at the story that James O'Keefe broke with Amy Rohrbacher, I think her name was, and she's like, we had Epstein, we had the story, and they killed it.

00:34:03.000 They said not to do it.

00:34:05.000 So you have to wonder if Epstein makes a few phone calls and says no.

00:34:09.000 And then they just fall in line.

00:34:12.000 And of course, interestingly, Gillian Maxwell has not spilled the beans.

00:34:16.000 She could have, and she knows, but she's not telling, and that's kind of significant.

00:34:23.000 I mean, look, when you look at the Routh family, if you want to call it that, we have two defining features.

00:34:30.000 In the case of the father, we have Trump Derangement Syndrome to the max.

00:34:34.000 What do you mean?

00:34:36.000 All reasonable people hate Trump?

00:34:40.000 And then with the kid, you've got, let's call it the Moulin Rouge Society.

00:34:44.000 And these are two phenomena that you see on the left.

00:34:48.000 I mean, you see both.

00:34:49.000 You see Trump Derangement Syndrome all over the place.

00:34:53.000 And then you see a lot of an attempt, if you will, to pull down the moral codes of our society, which is going to open the door to all kinds of taboos falling by the wayside and the Democrats, you know, will cheer it.

00:35:08.000 Yeah.

00:35:09.000 I will say on this issue, one of the ways that it touches into other issues is like free speech and privacy issues with some apps not working with the feds to find perpetrators.

00:35:23.000 Like Telegram?

00:35:24.000 Yeah, so for example, Telegram recently was embroiled in this stuff because they don't work with the feds at all when it comes to any of these cases, so Telegram has kind of become a hub for Predators as a result of this stuff because if you're doing illegal things telegram will you is known to not work with the feds?

00:35:39.000 It'll become your app of choice this you obviously have to weigh with Working with the feds and collaborating with them, and if you make a backdoor to your program for one reason It's a backdoor for any reason per se so It's a security concern well now.

00:35:54.000 I think after that whole dude getting arrested in France.

00:35:57.000 They removed some of like the The terms of service, it's something about like protections or whatever, the implication, I guess.

00:36:03.000 And I haven't looked enough into this, but that if you're on Telegram, there's going to be a backdoor for law enforcement.

00:36:08.000 And Telegram has always said like they work with law enforcement to a certain capacity.

00:36:13.000 They don't, you know, they have their certain values that they stand by, but they also meet certain EU standards.

00:36:19.000 NYPD, they have not worked with NYPD, like, they constantly complain about how they have many cases that Telegram hasn't worked with them with.

00:36:25.000 I also think the FBI has come out and said, like, the Telegram hasn't worked with them at all.

00:36:29.000 Maybe they, I would be surprised, frankly, if they didn't have the back door that they were able to engineer themselves, but I don't think you could use that legally, therefore, so.

00:36:36.000 I mean I think with a lot of this, and I am not sure what language YouTube's okay with, but I think our cultural understanding of pornography has changed so much that it went from like at one point being this like part of the sex positive movement and being like some people do this because it's expression and this that and the other, but as we come up against really horrifying things I think people don't want to talk about, You have that relationship of like there have to be boundaries and there have to be protection, especially in this case, minors who cannot consent to be a part of this.

00:37:09.000 It's always abuse.

00:37:10.000 It's always exploitative.

00:37:12.000 And I think the cultural revelation of like, The sexualization of children as it becomes more entrenched in our mainstream conversation you will see more conversations like this which is like this guy has a series of images that was known to police and made outside the state because they are trying to stop something that they are

00:37:35.000 Far behind.

00:37:36.000 It's very different from the conversation about, like, this family seems to have some serious problems, but it also speaks to, like, our cultural issue, which is like, this is something that law enforcement is chasing.

00:37:46.000 They're not preemptively preventing right now because they can't.

00:37:50.000 I've got some serious concerns about this coming month, so I will be purchasing some water and dry food.

00:37:59.000 Gold, maybe.

00:38:00.000 I feel like you haven't said the magic civil war word in a long time.

00:38:05.000 Oh, it's not even about civil war.

00:38:07.000 And the New York Times last week wrote that world leaders are concerned the U.S.

00:38:12.000 is about to devolve into a civil war.

00:38:14.000 Like, they were mentioning Keir Starmer talking about something related to this.

00:38:17.000 I'm just saying, I don't even know about election.

00:38:20.000 It doesn't even have to be any kind of civil conflict.

00:38:22.000 I mean, look what's going on in these cities.

00:38:23.000 Just Philly the other night, where you have the ring of fire, they've got flamethrowers, they're attacking cops and smashing cop cars.

00:38:29.000 I mean, you've got Chicago, where you've got the Venezuelan gang, Trendy Aragua, now taking up against all the Chicago gangs.

00:38:36.000 Oh man, that's crazy.

00:38:37.000 And think of where that's going to go.

00:38:40.000 They're gonna lose.

00:38:41.000 They do not understand.

00:38:42.000 I don't think these Venezuelan gangs get it. 1.00

00:38:46.000 I mean, maybe if we're talking about, like, I don't know, you know, Colombian revolutionary or, like, counterinsurgency, whatever, like, actual combat, war, and, like, the cartels, MS-13, great above.

00:39:01.000 But this Trinidad and Tobago stuff, I think these guys are wholly unprepared for what they're getting themselves into in Chirac.

00:39:07.000 Like, these Chicago gangbangers are gonna...

00:39:09.000 You see that video out of Aurora where the Venezuelans knock on the door and then they're like banging on the door?

00:39:16.000 Yeah, if that was Chicago, bullets would come through the other side.

00:39:19.000 You knock like that.

00:39:20.000 They don't get it.

00:39:21.000 In Venezuela, the gangs are protected by the Chavista regime and so they get state protection.

00:39:28.000 They get state protection even in prison.

00:39:30.000 And so then they're unleashed here, but I think you're right.

00:39:33.000 They're not quite prepared for what they might be going up against with some of the American gangs.

00:39:42.000 I don't know.

00:39:44.000 When I was in Venezuela, The way it was explained to me is that the most common crime you're going to experience is called an express kidnapping.

00:39:53.000 They'll wait for someone by an ATM.

00:39:55.000 They'll walk up to you.

00:39:57.000 They'll wait for you to take the ATM and then point a gun at you and pull you into the car.

00:40:01.000 While you're in the car, they give us all your money.

00:40:03.000 Then they ask you where you want to go.

00:40:05.000 They'll drop you off where you want to go.

00:40:06.000 And I was like, really?

00:40:07.000 They'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:09.000 Once they take your stuff, they'll be like, where can we drop you off?

00:40:11.000 And it's like you get a free ride out of it.

00:40:12.000 The most expensive Uber of all time.

00:40:14.000 And then, you know, a lot of people are like, just drop me off here, whatever.

00:40:18.000 And that express kidnapping was very common.

00:40:20.000 There are a lot of murders.

00:40:22.000 I believe there's more murders in Caracas than anywhere in any other city in the world, but not per capita Honduras, I believe, or maybe Belize, but I think one of the two has that more per capita.

00:40:31.000 The thing about Chicago is I can't perhaps speak to the greater of Venezuela.

00:40:37.000 When I was there, I didn't experience this kind of stuff, but there's cultural violence where, with the gangs, there's a combination of finance, honor, territory, things like this.

00:40:47.000 So what these gangbangers in Chicago are saying is that these Venezuelan gangs don't understand the rules.

00:40:52.000 They're coming in and they're on their turf.

00:40:55.000 They're engaging in business.

00:40:57.000 And so the gangs are all, like, all of the gangs are basically talking to each other like, yo, what are these guys doing?

00:41:05.000 You know, like, you know, let's say gang number one and gang number two know where that boundary is.

00:41:09.000 The police have maps showing the gang territories.

00:41:12.000 And the gangs know if you go into someone else's territory, there's certain things you can and cannot do.

00:41:17.000 But now all of the gangs are like, yo, these Venezuelan gangs don't care about our arrangements. 1.00

00:41:23.000 And so that's a recipe for disaster.

00:41:25.000 But it would be funny if it unites the Chicago gangs, and then the Chicago gangs end up pushing out the Venezuelan gangs and it cleans up crime. 0.95

00:41:31.000 It's like domestic v. foreign gangs. 0.92

00:41:34.000 It ends the crime somehow.

00:41:36.000 This is like kind of a movie material, right?

00:41:38.000 It's like a movie plot.

00:41:39.000 And quite honestly, it could be an extremely violent gang movie, or it could be a comedy.

00:41:46.000 You can actually go in either direction.

00:41:48.000 This is a great idea.

00:41:49.000 It's the reverse Avengers.

00:41:50.000 It's basically like, you get one gangbanger, and it's like one day he sees Venezuelan gangs like robbing a liquor store, and then, you know, he walks in and he sees a bunch of other gang members are all beat up, so he has to now go and recruit all the leaders of all the other gangs to form one super gang to go up against the international cartel or whatever.

00:42:08.000 And what are they fighting for?

00:42:09.000 Chicago gangs unite!

00:42:10.000 They're killing each other for the right to sell you Chinese fentanyl in Chicago, so. 0.63

00:42:16.000 Largely.

00:42:18.000 That's where it's going back to.

00:42:19.000 That's why they're killing each other for, so.

00:42:21.000 Well, let's jump to this next story.

00:42:22.000 We've got this one from AZFamily.com.

00:42:25.000 Democratic party office in Tempe hit by gunfire twice in a week.

00:42:30.000 No injuries reported.

00:42:31.000 Now, at first when I heard this story, I was thinking to myself, like, oh no.

00:42:34.000 You know, the political violence in this country is getting out of hand.

00:42:37.000 This is unacceptable.

00:42:38.000 And then I pulled this story up and looked and I went, oh.

00:42:40.000 This is just Democrat city violence.

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 Okay.

00:42:44.000 And it's all bad.

00:42:44.000 It's all bad.

00:42:44.000 But my point is, and I do mean this seriously, at first I was terrified.

00:42:48.000 Like, man, are we really getting to this point where now people are going to go shit? 0.99

00:42:53.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

00:42:54.000 It doesn't look like it's politically motivated.

00:42:56.000 We don't know for sure.

00:42:58.000 It looks like it may just be run-of-the-mill urban crime that is affecting these Democrat cities.

00:43:02.000 They just picked a bad place to put this headquarters.

00:43:05.000 Still bad.

00:43:06.000 Still bad.

00:43:06.000 We don't want this stuff.

00:43:07.000 We're critical of the crime.

00:43:09.000 But I'm saying...

00:43:10.000 You know, political escalation where people are targeting each other for politics with this kind of stuff is substantially worse than just standard urban crime.

00:43:17.000 Well, and also just to raise the question, and I'll raise it in a broader context, not about the Tempe, not about this incident, and that is, should we feel sorry?

00:43:27.000 for Democrats in cities who vote for policies that produce carjackings, crime, burglaries, muggings, and then become the victims of those exact policies that they advocate not only prior to these things happening, but they continue to advocate it even after they happen.

00:43:46.000 I've got a very simple answer for this, and we need to stop looking at this From our perspective, we need to think outside the box because, you know, you and I, Dinesh, we clearly don't want to be victimized.

00:43:57.000 We don't want muggers to come after us and take our wallets.

00:44:00.000 Well, Democrats do.

00:44:02.000 And so the problem I was experiencing for a while is that I could not fathom.

00:44:06.000 I assumed they must feel the same way as me, that if I don't want to be mugged, they must be making a mistake and then getting upset when they get mugged.

00:44:14.000 And then I realized No, they actually are okay with it.

00:44:17.000 In which case, I would liken it more to someone saying, I'd like to vote for ice cream, and then someone handing them an ice cream cone.

00:44:25.000 Right?

00:44:25.000 So that's the better way to look at it.

00:44:27.000 So when Democrats say, we vote to release criminals from our prisons, be light on crime, which does increase crime, I say, well, that's really good for you.

00:44:35.000 I'm really happy that you got what you wanted.

00:44:36.000 Thank you.

00:44:37.000 Have a nice day.

00:44:37.000 I'm a little bit more empathetic and sympathetic.

00:44:41.000 I think if you're a freedom-loving American, and even if you voted for Democrat policies, if you're getting mugged or something, or if you get killed downstream from a policy that is tangentially related— You did not listen to a word I said, did you?

00:44:55.000 No, I did.

00:44:57.000 So let me put it this way.

00:44:58.000 If I said, Ilad, I would like to have this.

00:45:02.000 Let's take an example.

00:45:04.000 for you so I'm going to deny you from having that.

00:45:06.000 That doesn't make sense, does it?

00:45:07.000 This is a thing that I want.

00:45:09.000 But you, in your mind, can't fathom me wanting it, so you're like, I have empathy for you

00:45:14.000 so I'm going to deny you the thing you're asking for.

00:45:16.000 Let's take an example.

00:45:17.000 Let's say that there is a referendum in the city of San Francisco that says, would you

00:45:22.000 like to have more cops?

00:45:24.000 Would you like to have these things?

00:45:26.000 And let's just say that 90% of San Franciscans go, no, we don't want that.

00:45:28.000 We want to take the money away from the cops.

00:45:30.000 We want bail reform.

00:45:30.000 and there's more criminals out on the street as a result of it.

00:45:32.000 You put the whole ensemble of things on the ballot and let's just say that 90% of San Franciscans go,

00:45:37.000 no, we don't want that, we want to take the money away from the cops, we want bail reform,

00:45:42.000 and then you see a spike in the crime rate and you see that more San Franciscans are getting

00:45:47.000 victimized by crime. How are you and I to feel morally as well as politically about that?

00:45:53.000 I disagree with their position that we should decrease funding to police, but I don't think they're directly, by doing that, they're not, I don't think, directly voting for crimes to happen.

00:46:03.000 And I think this is sort of partisanship.

00:46:05.000 They decriminalized, they said if it's up to $950 you can't be prosecuted for it anymore.

00:46:10.000 And people were loading up garbage bags from stores.

00:46:13.000 They want these things to happen.

00:46:15.000 Or it could be that their votes are even more malicious, which is to say they don't mind the crimes happening as long as it doesn't happen to them.

00:46:23.000 So they feel like, I'm in a high-rise building, it's not gonna happen to me, but there may be some poorer neighborhoods what happens, I don't care about those people.

00:46:29.000 So then when it happens to you, I feel almost particularly delighted because I feel like you voted for it, you lobbied for it, and finally it's caught up with you.

00:46:38.000 I think the question would be, like, if it was a new policy, no one had ever heard of this before, and you were a Democrat, I'm like, I think that could make a difference, and you voted for it, and then you were a victim of crime.

00:46:46.000 I might be like, yeah, that's sad, that's bad.

00:46:48.000 But the fact that it's happened over and over again, that other cities try the same things and get the same results, it becomes a level of, like, are we going to excuse the fact that they are now acting illogically?

00:46:58.000 I completely agree.

00:46:59.000 And I would say to you, Elad, stop injecting your emotions on other people and stop and just look at it mathematically.

00:47:06.000 Person says, I desire this thing.

00:47:09.000 They get this thing.

00:47:11.000 The only response logically is, outside of my emotions, congratulations on getting what you asked for.

00:47:15.000 I don't like dunking on my fellow Americans when bad things are happening to them.

00:47:20.000 I think sort of the Democrat equivalent to this would be, like, if an old person who said they were against vaccines and would never get the COVID vaccine ended up contracting COVID and died. 0.94

00:47:29.000 And now you see on MSNBC or viral tweets going, oh, look, this moron didn't take the vaccine that could have saved him. 0.96

00:47:35.000 That's you! 1.00

00:47:36.000 That's funny.

00:47:37.000 I think that's wrong.

00:47:38.000 No, I think it's wrong in both cases.

00:47:41.000 When this happened and people on the right refused to get vaccinated and died, they didn't all of a sudden go, I wish I actually did this thing.

00:47:48.000 And there was no big change.

00:47:49.000 Conservatives still maintained, even through this, we don't think they should have mandates.

00:47:54.000 The Democrats mocking them are exactly what you're doing now to them.

00:47:58.000 They said, we want bail reform.

00:48:00.000 We do not want people in prison.

00:48:01.000 They got let out.

00:48:02.000 Crime increased.

00:48:02.000 And you're saying, ha ha, look what you get.

00:48:04.000 They're going, we wanted this.

00:48:05.000 We voted for it.

00:48:06.000 We got exactly what we wanted.

00:48:07.000 We accept what's happening. 0.97

00:48:09.000 Yeah, I don't think the goal of bail reform in their mind— Okay, now understand, the Democrats are saying the identical thing about vaccines, saying these stupid Republicans didn't understand the vaccines would save them, and now they died because of it, but Republicans never change their position. 0.89

00:48:26.000 They still don't want the mandates.

00:48:29.000 The changing position part is for political people and for you to decide how you want to change your mind, but on the face of it, I don't think we should be making fun of people for having bad things happen— I'm saying congratulations.

00:48:40.000 You voted for it.

00:48:40.000 I don't know.

00:48:41.000 MSNBC would make fun of people who could have gotten vaccines and helped save themselves and now we're making fun of people who have crimes committed against them when they vote for things like defunding the police and bail reform.

00:48:50.000 I'm not making fun of them.

00:48:51.000 You're saying they deserved it?

00:48:52.000 I'm saying congratulations.

00:48:53.000 I don't know.

00:48:54.000 You voted for it.

00:48:54.000 Let's take another example just to push the logic of this.

00:48:57.000 Let's just say, for example, that you vote for a candidate that promises to increase your taxes, right?

00:49:04.000 And then they come in and they pass laws that have confiscatory tax rates and you are now forced to live under those tax rates.

00:49:13.000 Would you say that somehow aren't you getting what you voted for?

00:49:16.000 Yes, totally.

00:49:17.000 I think that's more direct, though, than wanting something like bail reform and then having a violent crime happen to you.

00:49:24.000 If you go and ask one of these leftists, you were the victim of a violent crime by an individual who should have been in jail, how do you feel?

00:49:32.000 They will tell you.

00:49:33.000 I know it's bad that they victimized me, but I'm still happy the system is operating this way.

00:49:38.000 You are sitting here telling them that you think they actually secretly feel the way you do instead, when they don't.

00:49:44.000 That's why, as Dinesh pointed out, they advocate for a policy, face a negative repercussion, and continue to advocate for that policy.

00:49:51.000 The same can be said, what the left does, about the right and the vaccines.

00:49:54.000 It's a good point.

00:49:55.000 That the right says, there should be no mandates, I don't want to do this.

00:49:58.000 Then, you know, Herman Cain or somebody dies, and then they all start mocking him, saying, haha, but not a single Republican goes, we hereby change our position and regret the choices we made.

00:50:07.000 They maintain the position.

00:50:09.000 I think it's generally politically toxic to say, like, when violent crime happens to somebody in somewhere where... I mean, that's how we were starting the premise out.

00:50:18.000 The premise was that I say congratulations to them.

00:50:23.000 You got what you voted for.

00:50:25.000 And then that's it.

00:50:25.000 I'm not going to go tell San Francisco how to live.

00:50:27.000 They can wallow in human feces and crime all day and night because they vote for it every single time.

00:50:32.000 I'm saying conservatives often say it's so awful these things are happening to these people.

00:50:37.000 I'm like, go talk to them.

00:50:38.000 They'll tell you they're okay with it.

00:50:40.000 I'm not kidding.

00:50:40.000 They will.

00:50:42.000 I mean, let's say we were to say that the people in San Francisco who essentially chased out all these productive high-tech businesses are now facing empty office buildings and they're now facing, let's say, property values are starting to slump in San Francisco.

00:50:59.000 I say, again, there's no other way to think of it, but didn't you vote for that?

00:51:03.000 Didn't you vote for the policies that made that happen?

00:51:05.000 I agree with that, but I think that's different than, like, you're voting for somebody to— because defunding the police is different from directly voting for somebody to, like, have a violent crime committed against you.

00:51:15.000 If you're raising taxes in an area, then yeah, you should be— expect the consequences to that.

00:51:19.000 If you go to a progressive in San Francisco and say, Do you—ask them, do you support bail reform?

00:51:25.000 They'll say yes.

00:51:26.000 You say, okay, statistics show that this will result in more violent offenders being on the streets and violent crime will go up.

00:51:31.000 They'll say, we know.

00:51:32.000 And you'll say, and in the instance that you were a victim of this violent crime, would you regret your decision, change your position?

00:51:38.000 They'll say, no, of course not.

00:51:39.000 We're in favor of bail reform.

00:51:41.000 This is what we see time and time again.

00:51:42.000 That was the beginning of what Nesh's point was.

00:51:46.000 They advocate for a policy, face negative consequences from it, and continue to advocate for it.

00:51:51.000 Because I think the policy is wrong, I still feel bad for them.

00:51:56.000 But I think you have to bring out your hidden premise, and your hidden premise is that they do not think that bail reform and defunding the police will in fact lead to more crime.

00:52:07.000 You must think secretly they can't believe that because you find it hard to believe that they would be okay with escalating crime rates because of course escalating crime rates are bound to visit them at some point.

00:52:18.000 I guess it depends on the leftist you talk to.

00:52:20.000 I feel like some would justify it and some wouldn't.

00:52:24.000 I would say that if you go to the average default liberal, they're going to be clueless on every single issue.

00:52:29.000 You're going to go to the average conservative and they're going to be clueless on most issues as well.

00:52:33.000 If you go to politically active individuals on the left, AOC, you ask her about it, they will not retract the support for bail reform despite the crime.

00:52:42.000 Well, they'd add on a bunch of things like, we need bail reform because our jail system is historically racist, and NYPD is historically racist. 0.90

00:52:51.000 My point is, other people think differently and feel differently than you do, Elad.

00:52:57.000 So when you say, I feel bad for them, it's like saying, did you see Hawk Tua girl?

00:53:01.000 She's a millionaire now. 1.00

00:53:02.000 Don't you feel so bad for her? 0.99

00:53:03.000 Because she's this weird, you know, gross sex symbol. 1.00

00:53:07.000 That's her career. 1.00

00:53:09.000 I made this point the other day.

00:53:10.000 I can only feel so bad as I would for someone who instantly became a millionaire.

00:53:14.000 I don't think she's upset at all.

00:53:15.000 But someone would look at that and say, I would be miserable if my whole persona and character was based on saying you spit on a dude, you know, like that.

00:53:26.000 And they feel like, ooh, man, and for all you know, she's happier than a pig in ish, rolling around with millions of dollars, being a life is so good.

00:53:32.000 Why feel bad for people who are happy with the results they got?

00:53:35.000 I can understand though, like being like, I have my own moral code, right?

00:53:39.000 Like if you're saying like, look, they may...

00:53:41.000 I don't know.

00:53:42.000 I figured it out.

00:53:42.000 I feel bad for people who eat cilantro because it's disgusting.

00:53:44.000 And so it should be illegal.

00:53:44.000 like you are responsible for your own emotional reaction to something and I

00:53:48.000 could understand wanting to have empathy for them. I don't think that we have to

00:53:51.000 like then still believe them when this is a justification like you know if they

00:53:55.000 continue to say no no these policies worked and you know they're not you know

00:53:58.000 I don't know I figured it out. I feel bad for people who eat cilantro because it's

00:54:03.000 disgusting and so it should be illegal that way they don't have to suffer by

00:54:07.000 eating cilantro. I'm just such an empathetic and sympathetic person. 0.57

00:54:12.000 Me too.

00:54:12.000 I'm so empathetic to people who are forced to eat cilantro.

00:54:15.000 I mean, because if people really had the choice, they would never vote to put cilantro in their guacamole.

00:54:19.000 It's just that the restaurants forced them to do it.

00:54:21.000 And so me, as the benevolent leader who understands exactly what people think and feel, and I know exactly what they want, I will make it so that they have to live my way and they will never have cilantro again.

00:54:31.000 See, that makes no sense, obviously.

00:54:32.000 I don't like it, but I understand people do like it.

00:54:36.000 The idea that you are saying it's such a shame that these people are experiencing these things that they are completely okay with, they support and advocate for, even after experiencing it.

00:54:45.000 Look at the guy who went up at the podium whose son was murdered and he said he wished his son was killed by a white man.

00:54:50.000 You're empathizing with someone who is begging for this stuff, right?

00:54:54.000 So we can certainly say, I believe their morals are backwards, but the idea that you can be like, wow, I feel so bad for them.

00:54:59.000 Why?

00:54:59.000 They're happy.

00:55:00.000 Do you feel bad for that father?

00:55:01.000 I feel bad for that father.

00:55:03.000 Although he supports immigration that might have led to more people without licenses in his community, that led to the car accident... There's a distinction here, though.

00:55:10.000 I feel bad for an old man who falls down the stairs. 0.98

00:55:13.000 I feel differently about an old man who runs full speed and then jumps and then flops down the stairs. 1.00

00:55:18.000 It's a different kind of feeling, right?

00:55:20.000 I'm upset that he got hurt, but I also think that guy should be in a mental institution because he's a danger to himself.

00:55:26.000 But wait, we don't need to do abstractions.

00:55:27.000 to me saying, hey, you know, I bought cookies for her and he slips and falls. I'm going to be

00:55:31.000 mortified and terrified and rush to try and help. If he ran full speed and was like, this is going

00:55:35.000 to be fun and then just bally flopped off the stairs. But wait, we don't need to do abstractions.

00:55:40.000 This man who said, I wish my son was killed by a white man instead of a migrant. Do you feel bad 0.99

00:55:45.000 for that man? So there's a distinction between feeling bad for someone whose son was killed and

00:55:49.000 a person who's advocating for a white man to have murdered his son.

00:55:51.000 The bad I feel for him is not empathy.

00:55:54.000 It is structurally and societal.

00:55:56.000 But this man, I believe, is a bad person. 0.94

00:55:59.000 I do not empathize with someone who would say something so disgusting.

00:56:02.000 You have to separate the two things, because what's going on is, number one, there is the fact that this man has suffered, right?

00:56:10.000 And that part of it you do feel sorry for.

00:56:13.000 But he's exploiting that suffering to do something quite pernicious, which is ultimately saying, I want to now beg the blame for this on a white guy. 0.98

00:56:22.000 So that's the sick and demented part of it. 0.83

00:56:24.000 And I think by separating those two, you're not being morally inconsistent at all.

00:56:29.000 Like Mr. Freeze, right?

00:56:31.000 You know Mr. Freeze?

00:56:32.000 Who's that from?

00:56:32.000 Batman villain, right?

00:56:33.000 Wow.

00:56:34.000 So when the cartoon for Batman came out, they won an Emmy for the story because it was one of the first times a comic book villain had a real motivation.

00:56:41.000 His wife was dying, he freezes her body to try and buy time so he can find a cure, and he turns to crime to get the resources he needs to save the life of his wife.

00:56:50.000 And so you're like, wow, I feel so bad for him.

00:56:52.000 He's an evil guy.

00:56:53.000 He was hurting people. 1.00

00:56:53.000 He's a bad guy. 1.00

00:56:54.000 It's a different kind of feeling bad.

00:56:56.000 It makes me think of Molly Tibbetts. 0.74

00:56:58.000 I don't know if you remember this story, but she was a University of Iowa student who was murdered by an illegal immigrant while she was out for a jog.

00:57:05.000 And her body was found in a cornfield.

00:57:07.000 It was really sad.

00:57:08.000 And Trump talked about it a lot, because I believe it was during his 2016 campaign.

00:57:13.000 And her father came out.

00:57:15.000 And, you know, you have empathy for this father who has lost his daughter.

00:57:19.000 That's tragic.

00:57:21.000 Did it have empathy for his argument that we shouldn't talk about illegal immigration because that would actually be racist and, you know, politicize his daughter's death?

00:57:30.000 Like, his daughter's death was, you know, and the man has been convicted, so I feel comfortable.

00:57:34.000 We don't have to use the word allege.

00:57:35.000 Like, she was definitely murdered by an illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:57:38.000 Illegal immigration was a direct influence on her death.

00:57:42.000 And so, you know, To what Dinesh was saying, I feel sad about the loss of life.

00:57:47.000 I can't imagine being that parent, but I have no sympathy for his trying to steer this away from the truth, which is that illegal immigration causes harm in this country and especially to his family.

00:57:59.000 One last point on this and we can move on is if a guy was robbing a bank and then on his way out, A cop shot him, and he was lying on the ground.

00:58:09.000 Do you feel bad for that burglar, that robber?

00:58:11.000 No, but I don't think the metaphor works, because I don't think the Democrats are metaphorically robbing the bank.

00:58:16.000 You don't think releasing criminals onto the street who continually victimize people is a bad thing?

00:58:21.000 I think that's a really bad policy, but I think most of the time, most of the people in most Democrat cities don't even vote, and I think it's kind of still messed up to kind of throw it in their faces.

00:58:30.000 There's a spectrum between an innocent person who in no way is responsible for the harm that comes to them, And the individual who advocates for it suffers the consequences of his own actions, of a negative choice, and then continues to advocate for it.

00:58:43.000 So it would be like a criminal commits a crime, gets punched in the face while committing the crime, gets angry, goes to the hospital, then goes back out and starts robbing people again.

00:58:53.000 Right?

00:58:53.000 Democrats in these cities are voting for things that are destructive, suffer the consequence of the destruction, and then continue the path of destruction.

00:59:00.000 There's no real empathy.

00:59:02.000 There is a certain degree of like... There's different kinds of empathy.

00:59:06.000 There's different feeling bad.

00:59:08.000 In this instance, I just think...

00:59:10.000 People who choose to live this way, I say, oh, okay, you know, congratulations for getting what you want.

00:59:14.000 I'm not going to sit here and tell you how to live your life.

00:59:16.000 I mean, I think we're trying to make a broader point here about the cities, and that is that for decades we have assumed that as the cities devolve and become more and more unlivable, There is bound to be a political revolt in which the people who live in those cities are going to say, I don't want to live like this.

00:59:38.000 This goes too far.

00:59:39.000 I've had enough.

00:59:41.000 And we've been struck by the fact that that point never appears to be reached.

00:59:44.000 And then it forces you to go, wait a minute.

00:59:47.000 Maybe I'm only thinking that this is the way I would feel if I lived in Philadelphia under these conditions, but maybe the people who are actually in those conditions have different motives, different interests.

00:59:59.000 We're not saying that they enjoy being mugged, but what we're saying is they may have Other things to gain.

01:00:05.000 So, for example, they realize the city creates a structure of dependency.

01:00:10.000 I don't mind the crime as long as I get a monthly paycheck.

01:00:13.000 I can live with the crime.

01:00:15.000 But then the crime comes and haunts you.

01:00:17.000 Now, you're not happy it did, but you made a dirty bargain in which you said, I'd rather take that paycheck, and I'm willing to live with higher crime rates.

01:00:25.000 And I'm saying, that's a bargain, buddy, that you made.

01:00:28.000 Not that I don't feel bad for you, but I do recognize you are getting what you voted for.

01:00:32.000 Let's jump to this in the Daily News.

01:00:35.000 You want to read that headline, Elad?

01:00:37.000 Trump edges ahead of Harris in new national Quinnipiac poll.

01:00:41.000 There was this headline a while ago and it said something like, Harris edges Trump in, you know, latest political, you know, poll or whatever.

01:00:49.000 And everyone was like, please never write that again.

01:00:51.000 That's just just too close.

01:00:52.000 We don't want to hear that.

01:00:53.000 This grin on Trump's face.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 Well, so this new Quinnipiac poll is actually rather shocking for this reason.

01:01:00.000 In May, Biden was up three.

01:01:02.000 Harris comes in.

01:01:03.000 In August, Harris is up two.

01:01:05.000 And as of September, Trump is now up one in the same poll.

01:01:09.000 So it's actually really, really interesting seeing this breakdown here.

01:01:14.000 Daily News says that Trump is up one as long as Jill Stein is in the race.

01:01:18.000 They say Trump is ahead of Harris 48 to 47 in a new national Quinnipiac poll.

01:01:24.000 of the race for the White House. The survey, which was dead even when measured as a head-to-head

01:01:28.000 contest, comes as a rare piece of good news for Trump. So 41 days before the election,

01:01:33.000 is it really 41 now? I believe so. I mean, I think there's only like 30, Tim,

01:01:36.000 30 IRL episodes until the election. 30! I think early voting starts in many of the swing states,

01:01:42.000 even prior to that. In PA now. Okay, yeah. So this is huge.

01:01:46.000 huge.

01:01:48.000 When you put the battleground states here, this is the national average, 2.1, and then Trump in the battlegrounds, Trump is up .2 in aggregate in the battleground states.

01:01:58.000 If we are to assume that the same bias exists like it did in 2016 and 2020, then Trump is up in every battleground state by about 3 or 4 points.

01:02:08.000 Because the battleground bias in 16 and 17 was 4 to 7 points, depending on the polls.

01:02:13.000 In the national average, it was 3 to 5.

01:02:16.000 And Harris is up 2.1.

01:02:18.000 So this is massive.

01:02:19.000 And take a look at this.

01:02:20.000 Quinnipiac, when listed by RCP, they put Tai.

01:02:22.000 They don't even give him the plus one.

01:02:24.000 Jill Stein is absolutely running, and so is Chase Oliver.

01:02:26.000 That is, Trump is up one in this poll, not even giving it to him.

01:02:30.000 And the Democrats have made a serious effort in certain states to keep Jill Stein off the ballot, which I find fascinating.

01:02:36.000 I think, you know, and you'd have to go through each poll to be to be careful, but maybe if it's just a direct matchup between her and Trump, she has an edge within the margin of error in some places.

01:02:47.000 But I think that's pretty inaccurate considering how many places have third party candidates.

01:02:53.000 Well, this is big.

01:02:54.000 I think that one of the reasons why Trump won't do this next debate and why Kamala is begging for it is because they know her internals are bad.

01:03:03.000 We went over that commercial the other day where Sam Elliott was like, what are you waiting for?

01:03:07.000 Is it the woman thing? 0.98

01:03:09.000 Well, it's time to get over that.

01:03:12.000 People aren't getting over it.

01:03:13.000 I think that's a huge issue for many people in America.

01:03:16.000 I think she hasn't even won over all of the Democrats that she needs, let alone independents or, you know, they keep trying to, like, make it okay for Republicans to vote for her.

01:03:26.000 I don't know if you guys saw the story, but there were climate activists who were protesting outside her home in Brentwood in California.

01:03:36.000 In response, she put up a tweet that was something like, we will make the environment better and full of priorities and joy and hope and opportunity.

01:03:44.000 Like just buzzwords, fluff, nothing.

01:03:46.000 And it irritated the activists because they have specifically been asking her to be Direct and specific in what her promises are.

01:03:55.000 They want concrete goals and measurable values that she plans to carry out, and she won't give it to them.

01:04:03.000 And it's the same thing with the voters that Biden faced during the primary who were saying, our number one issue is Israel-Palestine, if you do not secure or promise a ceasefire or whatever it was, we are not coming to the polls.

01:04:15.000 I think the idea that they are now so far ahead, all the Democrats are on lock, that they need to convert Mormons in Arizona, it's a fantasy.

01:04:26.000 I mean, this race, interestingly, is not even between Trump and Harris, if you really think about it.

01:04:33.000 This is a race between Trump And the unelected junta that is running the country.

01:04:39.000 Yeah.

01:04:39.000 And I say that because it's become really clear now that the Democrats aren't running a candidate in the normal sense.

01:04:46.000 Normally, the candidate becomes the head of the party.

01:04:48.000 They direct the affairs of the party.

01:04:50.000 We kind of assumed that was true of Clinton.

01:04:52.000 It was true. 0.75

01:04:53.000 It was true of Carter.

01:04:54.000 Obviously, further back, Truman and so on.

01:04:57.000 But starting with Biden, the Democrats decided, let's do things somewhat differently.

01:05:02.000 We have an inner group that runs the country.

01:05:06.000 Biden doesn't even need to win the primary.

01:05:08.000 We just move him to the front, and he takes office.

01:05:11.000 It's under the understanding that he's our man.

01:05:13.000 He's in the canoe.

01:05:14.000 He's the face of the canoe, but he's not steering the canoe.

01:05:17.000 And we reserve the right to move him out at any time, and he has to go kind of willingly.

01:05:23.000 And interestingly, if you think that that was just like a one-time deal for Biden because Biden was in a unique position, he has dementia and so on, it turns out that they made exactly the same deal with Kamala Harris.

01:05:34.000 No primary.

01:05:36.000 And that means that we chose you.

01:05:38.000 We moved you to the front of the line.

01:05:40.000 We gave you the nomination.

01:05:42.000 If now you make it across the finish line, you're going to do what we say, and we reserve the right to swap you out.

01:05:49.000 Whenever we feel like it.

01:05:51.000 And you have to go smiling.

01:05:53.000 So what that means, really, is that the Democrats are no longer running candidates in the normal sense.

01:05:59.000 They're basically telling the American people, we've got an insider gang, and we are going to run the country.

01:06:05.000 And we're going to put a front person out there.

01:06:07.000 And that's going to be the figurehead president.

01:06:10.000 Is there any other way to see it?

01:06:13.000 For a political party that talks so much about democracy, it is really ironic that they pull the rug from under Joe Biden in the primary just to appoint somebody who won, again, no primary votes.

01:06:23.000 This Quinnipiac poll is hilarious.

01:06:25.000 Check this out.

01:06:26.000 They say, regardless of how you—keep in mind, keep in mind, this whole time I'm reading these things—that Trump is ahead of Harris by one point.

01:06:34.000 Chase Oliver and Jill Stein are absolutely in this race, and when you factor in the full race, Trump is ahead by one point nationally.

01:06:41.000 Now listen to this.

01:06:42.000 Regardless of how you intend to vote, who do you think has higher ethical standards?

01:06:46.000 Total, 43% said Trump, 51% said Harris.

01:06:50.000 Regardless of how you intend to vote, who do you think cares more about the needs and the problems of people like you?

01:06:54.000 49% said Trump and 48% said Harris.

01:06:59.000 Regardless of how you intend to vote, who do you think is more honest?

01:07:01.000 46% Trump, 48% Harris.

01:07:05.000 And they said, regardless of how you intend to vote, who do you think would do a better job handling the economy?

01:07:10.000 52 for Trump, 45 for Harris.

01:07:13.000 Handling immigration, 53 for Trump, 45 for Harris.

01:07:16.000 Preserving democracy, 47 for Trump and 50 for Harris.

01:07:20.000 And handling abortion, 41 for Trump, 54 for Harris.

01:07:24.000 Handling gun violence, Harris has the lead.

01:07:27.000 Handling a crisis in the country, Trump has the lead.

01:07:29.000 The reason I'm going through these They don't care about honesty.

01:07:34.000 They don't care about ethics.

01:07:36.000 They care about whether or not you're going to be good on the economy for them.

01:07:41.000 That's it.

01:07:42.000 So when you can see the people like, oh, Kamala's way more ethical and more honest, but Trump's better on the economy and immigration, so I'm voting for him.

01:07:49.000 It doesn't matter.

01:07:50.000 And I think Kamala's favorability is actually better than Trump's in this.

01:07:53.000 People are outright like, I don't like Trump.

01:07:55.000 He's not a nice guy, but he's going to make me some money.

01:07:58.000 I think it's the myth of would you have a beer with them, right?

01:08:01.000 I mean I think people would want to have a beer with Donald Trump just to ask him lots of questions, but the reality is I think we're past the point of feeling like our politician has to come to our Christmas party or to our summer barbecue.

01:08:14.000 I think people feel desperate enough where they're like, I don't know that I would personally be friends with this person, but if they are effective on the world stage and if they can handle domestic issues, especially as things become more acute, then that's who I want there.

01:08:29.000 Here's the best part of the poll.

01:08:30.000 Does Taylor Swift's endorsement of Kamala Harris make you more enthusiastic about

01:08:35.000 Harris's candidacy or less enthusiastic about Harris's candidacy, or it doesn't make a difference?

01:08:40.000 9% said more enthusiastic. Congratulations.

01:08:42.000 13% said less enthusiastic. Uh-oh.

01:08:46.000 And 76% didn't care.

01:08:48.000 But that means there is a greater negative impact on Kamala Harris because of Taylor Swift's endorsement.

01:08:53.000 It's so funny.

01:08:54.000 The reverse endorsement, I guess.

01:08:55.000 It's sabotage.

01:08:58.000 How are we supposed to think about it?

01:08:59.000 How do we explain this?

01:09:00.000 This is a little strange.

01:09:02.000 What's your theory?

01:09:02.000 I don't have a theory.

01:09:04.000 I think people don't want celebrities in politics.

01:09:07.000 I think they want – there is a political fatigue and they want entertainment to be entertaining and to have a break because it's been essentially a decade of intensifying divisive politics.

01:09:17.000 But also, sorry, just – No, go ahead.

01:09:19.000 Elon Musk's endorsement had a similar backfire on Trump.

01:09:22.000 13% are more enthusiastic, but 21% are less enthusiastic because he endorsed Donald Trump.

01:09:28.000 That one's absolutely fire.

01:09:29.000 I think celebrities are generally less beloved now than they've been in the past 50 years.

01:09:35.000 And I think gaining some sort of prominence is more attainable for the average Joe more

01:09:39.000 than ever.

01:09:40.000 So I think it unifies people and the celebrities a little bit more.

01:09:46.000 This populist zeal that's taken over this, this anti sort of anti-rich, anti-celebrity

01:09:53.000 strain that's kind of taken over.

01:09:55.000 It makes sense why some people would say like, oh, that's who you want.

01:09:57.000 yeah I'm just gonna be a contrarian and do the opposite.

01:09:59.000 Do you think AYF has to do with the influencer economy?

01:10:02.000 Like, now basically anyone can be micro-famous, but I don't care, you know, what the girl who started a pretty successful blog that I went to college with, she's a nice lady, I don't really care how she's voting. 1.00

01:10:12.000 Like, I think it dulls the shine of celebrity endorsements because everyone kind of has a platform.

01:10:17.000 Isn't it beneath you as a celebrity to even care about this?

01:10:20.000 Don't get involved in our petty politics.

01:10:22.000 I wish it was trendy to stay out of politics.

01:10:25.000 73% of people say they're at least somewhat or very concerned that there will be political violence following the outcome of the 2024 election.

01:10:33.000 And I think that sounds about right.

01:10:36.000 I mean, considering what we've seen the past five years, ever since really the George Floyd riots.

01:10:44.000 I think we've been seeing some parallels with some protests we've seen coming up that hasn't reached the same level of violence, but then obviously the two assassination attempts, January 6th.

01:10:53.000 I think people have a reason to be concerned about political violence moving forward.

01:10:58.000 Democrats, 90% of Democrats are concerned that there will be violence, much less, it's 59% of Republicans.

01:11:05.000 The Democrats, they know their neighbors.

01:11:07.000 They've been hyped up aggressively about the January 6th stuff.

01:11:10.000 CNN, MSNBC is constantly drilling them with January 6th stuff, fear-mongering.

01:11:16.000 So, I think that's why the Democrats are so high.

01:11:20.000 Well, I think the added factor is that Democrats get information only from other Democrats.

01:11:27.000 Yep.

01:11:27.000 And that's not true of our side.

01:11:29.000 So, for example, if you or I were asked to summarize, let's just say, what Rachel Maddow believed, We could do it.

01:11:35.000 We have a pretty good idea of how she thinks.

01:11:37.000 We could state her opinion in a manner that would make her go, yeah, that's what I think.

01:11:42.000 But I don't think she could state our opinion in the manner that we think.

01:11:46.000 She would do a caricature of it. 0.93

01:11:48.000 Well, hold on.

01:11:50.000 If you were in a private closed room, Chatham House Rules, Rachel Maddow would absolutely correctly nail down Tucker Carlson's worldview and opinions. 0.71

01:12:00.000 And then once the camera turns on, she'd say he's a neo-Nazi white supremacist.

01:12:04.000 Oh, I see what you mean. 0.96

01:12:04.000 You're saying that she has the IQ to be able to do it, but she is posturing. 0.96

01:12:09.000 She does know better.

01:12:10.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 It's the more run-of-the-mill default libs who don't know.

01:12:16.000 And so you're more likely to find, because this is actually true, when you look at the data, this is actually interesting.

01:12:21.000 Let me pull up the favorability on someone, say, Tim Waltz.

01:12:25.000 Because Republicans should dislike the guy, right?

01:12:27.000 Let me see about favorability.

01:12:30.000 Why would Republicans dislike him?

01:12:31.000 He has the camo hat.

01:12:33.000 That's right.

01:12:34.000 You know, that changes everything.

01:12:35.000 He's a white, Midwestern man.

01:12:36.000 They must like him.

01:12:37.000 Oh, see, Joe Biden handling the president.

01:12:39.000 Here we go.

01:12:40.000 Is your opinion of Tim Walz favorable, unfavorable, or haven't you heard enough about him?

01:12:46.000 Which is a weird way to phrase it.

01:12:47.000 And Republicans say 4% favorable, 68% unfavorable, 27% haven't heard enough.

01:12:54.000 Republicans will be like, ah, you know, I don't know enough about the guy.

01:12:57.000 What do you think it's going to look like for Democrats and J.D.

01:13:00.000 Vance?

01:13:02.000 How do you feel about J.D.

01:13:03.000 Vance?

01:13:03.000 Democrats say 4% favorable, 87% unfavorable, 9% haven't heard enough.

01:13:09.000 Because Democrats are just so dang sure of themselves.

01:13:12.000 And Republicans are like, well, I need to know more.

01:13:14.000 Republicans are more likely to say, I need to check myself and see what he's got to say.

01:13:17.000 Democrats, they're not listening to J.D.

01:13:19.000 Vance.

01:13:19.000 They don't know what he has to say.

01:13:22.000 They're just watching MSNBC and listen to what Rachel Maddow has to say.

01:13:24.000 It feels like evidence of two different cultures that are in America.

01:13:28.000 They have different values.

01:13:29.000 They have different morals.

01:13:30.000 They have very different ways of thinking.

01:13:32.000 And I find that to be the most concerning part.

01:13:35.000 It's very difficult to form a cohesive society if you continue to drift farther and farther apart where even the common language, even the common way of interpreting news and information is just wildly different.

01:13:46.000 Veltard and Feather, J.D.

01:13:48.000 Vance is weird and call it a day.

01:13:51.000 That's it.

01:13:51.000 I want to make sure we get this story in.

01:13:54.000 This is big news from SCNR.

01:13:57.000 IPCC data shows human activity not causing global temperature rises.

01:14:01.000 Scientists quote, these findings call for a fundamental reconsideration of the current man-made climate change narrative.

01:14:07.000 They say, the data in a report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change suggests that Earth's warming trend over the past two decades may not be attributable to human-related activity.

01:14:17.000 Experts analyzing the report point to changes in the planet's albedo, the fraction of the sun's energy reflected by the Earth, as the factor driving the rise in global temperatures.

01:14:27.000 Albedo fluctuations have caused Earth to reflect less solar energy and absorb more, leading to the warming trend frequently cited by activists, advocates, and policymakers focused on addressing climate change.

01:14:36.000 In a recent interview with SCNR, Ned Nikolaev, Ph.D., a scientist specializing in climate, cosmology, and astrophysics, expressed concerns about the integrity of the IPCC reports, accusing the panel of manipulating the data.

01:14:47.000 Now, I'm going to pause here and just say this, right?

01:14:50.000 I guarantee you you're going to get pushback.

01:14:52.000 The corporate press is going to say, no, this is not correct.

01:14:54.000 These scientists are not experts, even though they're Ph.D.

01:14:57.000 scientists.

01:14:57.000 They're going to say, no, no, all the experts agree.

01:14:59.000 But I turn only to this, which will delight Ilad, to show you that climate change is over.

01:15:05.000 Don't believe me?

01:15:06.000 Listen to a minute from Greta Thunberg.

01:15:08.000 In Palestine and all over the world, the fight against colonialism and corporations' destruction of the planet are intrinsically linked.

01:15:16.000 Look at Chevron.

01:15:18.000 Everyone knows that Chevron is one of the world's biggest climate criminals.

01:15:22.000 But the oil giant is also fueling Israel's genocide in Palestine.

01:15:27.000 As Israel bombs hospitals, homes and schools in Gaza, Chevron supplies them with energy from two Israeli-claimed gas fields in the Mediterranean, making millions in the process.

01:15:39.000 Ending Israel's genocide in Gaza and Israeli apartheid is a climate justice issue.

01:15:45.000 Israel is destroying Palestinian lives, but also destroying Palestinian lands and resources through its warfare and industries that pollute and destroy the environment. 0.98

01:15:55.000 We cannot stand by and do nothing.

01:15:57.000 I'm joining Palestinian Global Calls to boycott Shevron. 0.97

01:16:01.000 Together we are calling for Shevron to withdraw from its projects with Israel.

01:16:06.000 Join the movement to defend human rights and protect the planet by pledging to boycott Shevron now. 0.99

01:16:13.000 So when Greta Thunberg has no choice but to go, uh, Palestine! 0.58

01:16:19.000 There's no more money in climate change activism.

01:16:22.000 It wasn't a component of the debates.

01:16:24.000 It popped up for about 30 seconds, and then it went away.

01:16:28.000 And the general idea was like, wow, how could this be an existential threat and crisis if you don't even want to talk about it?

01:16:35.000 Greta Thunberg made herself, according to some reports, maybe not, but very famous and wealthy. 0.95

01:16:40.000 Off of—she may have already been wealthy—off of climate change, and now she's segwaying into Israel-Palestine. 0.98

01:16:45.000 Why?

01:16:46.000 Because the whole thing always just following activist trends without rhyme or reason.

01:16:51.000 I think she speaks to a larger trend among the activist community, ready to move on to the next issue, the next most important issue ever, on to the next most important issue ever.

01:17:04.000 And you'll see this continuing cascade, and then trying to meld issues together.

01:17:09.000 You know, and yes, that's really it.

01:17:11.000 It's a cult.

01:17:13.000 The activist groups, they are a cult.

01:17:15.000 And this is exactly it.

01:17:16.000 When the people are all rallied around saying climate change, and she sits outside and refuses to go to school, they prop her up and put her on TV.

01:17:23.000 But now nobody wants to put her on TV anymore.

01:17:25.000 Why?

01:17:25.000 Well, because Israel-Palestine is the big issue.

01:17:27.000 So what does she do? 0.93

01:17:28.000 She falls in line and segues now to, yes, but Chevron makes money selling gas to Israel.

01:17:35.000 It doesn't even make sense because there's so many other oil-rich countries in the Middle East that are producing a ton of oil.

01:17:41.000 Yes!

01:17:41.000 Saudi Arabia!

01:17:43.000 Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, there's a ton of countries in the Middle East that are doing this, and like, why are we talking about Israel?

01:17:49.000 If you're worried about oil production, Israel isn't responsible for the... Saudi Arabia! 0.79

01:17:53.000 Iran, Saudi Arabia, a lot of these countries.

01:17:56.000 Russia! 0.98

01:17:57.000 It really makes no sense, but I'm satisfied to see that Israel's enemies are some of the worst losers and enemies to America. 0.99

01:18:04.000 In case it wasn't clear to people, Israel's enemies make it clear as to why I think you should be an Israel supporter.

01:18:11.000 Who's supporting the Palestinians? 1.00

01:18:14.000 Islamists? 0.65

01:18:16.000 People who follow the climate change hoax like this, who are just trying to follow the trends?

01:18:20.000 You're seeing the mesh of BLM into this movement as well?

01:18:24.000 I think what's quite clear, if you just take a little bit of perspective, is that you have a group of people who are deeply restless in terms of their soul.

01:18:36.000 And these are people who are always looking for a moral cause that never involves personal responsibility.

01:18:45.000 It always involves something that other people need to do.

01:18:49.000 But this goes back decades.

01:18:51.000 I mean, think about it.

01:18:52.000 It's the revolving placard, right?

01:18:53.000 It was the nuclear freeze.

01:18:55.000 Then it was the ozone layer.

01:18:57.000 Then it becomes racism.

01:19:01.000 And then if you look at these demonstrations, it's the same guys.

01:19:07.000 So you realize they've given up the first placard and they took up the new one.

01:19:11.000 And with each one, they come at you with tremendous sincerity.

01:19:16.000 Like they believe that this is the issue, but then when the issue goes away, they forget about it too.

01:19:22.000 And they move on to the next thing. It reminds me of applying for like scholarships and they're like

01:19:27.000 you have to say how your thing demonstrates our mission or like that's our mission statement.

01:19:32.000 So they're picking out buzzwords like well you know the environment is still relevant because

01:19:37.000 Palestine and Israel is bad. 1.00

01:19:40.000 And so they're just tying it in this sort of loose way to something else because they want to transition into what I think is the money source, right?

01:19:48.000 Like if this person, she started doing climate activism when she was like 16.

01:19:51.000 She's only 21 now.

01:19:53.000 If this is her main source of supporting herself, she needs to continue to chase wherever people are sending their donations or paying her to give speeches or whatever. 1.00

01:20:03.000 Like, wherever the money is, that's where they go.

01:20:05.000 So in this case, it's like, how can we tie this thing that I was known for to this cause that's more trendy right now?

01:20:12.000 In the first few decades of the 20th century, you would have these leftists who would try to find a communist utopia abroad.

01:20:20.000 And in the 1920s and 30s, it was Stalin, believe it or not.

01:20:25.000 Stalin's Russia. 0.79

01:20:26.000 Then when irrefutable evidence emerged that Stalin was just murdering people left and right, Interestingly, the impulse didn't go away.

01:20:34.000 They were like, oh, no, no, it's not Stalin's Russia.

01:20:36.000 It's Mao's China. 0.51

01:20:38.000 And then when the evidence of the Cultural Revolution came, the mass famines, it was like, oh, can't be China. 0.88

01:20:44.000 It's now Cuba.

01:20:45.000 And then the evidence comes out, it's not Cuba.

01:20:47.000 They have these horrible hospitals. 0.91

01:20:49.000 They kill dissidents. 0.95

01:20:50.000 Nicaragua. 0.88

01:20:52.000 Then all these so-called sandalistas are heading down to Nicaragua. 1.00

01:20:55.000 The point I'm getting at is that the impulse never dies.

01:20:58.000 It just migrates to some other new utopia.

01:21:02.000 And similarly here.

01:21:03.000 It's climate change, and after a while, people are like, that's not it.

01:21:08.000 So then they move on to something else.

01:21:09.000 But again, the agitation, the agitate-agitate mentality seems never to go away.

01:21:17.000 Well, if you solve the problem, then everyone has to go home and find other careers, right?

01:21:21.000 Like, if this is what you're basing your both financial and social worth off of, then you can't have something that has a solution.

01:21:28.000 Otherwise, you disappear with it.

01:21:30.000 And then what's happening here is that the professional activists who are making a living off of that particular placard become kind of annoyed when a new placard shows up.

01:21:40.000 So then they have to hitch their placard to the new placard.

01:21:43.000 And that's really what's going on with Greta Thunberg here. 0.99

01:21:46.000 She has to now climb on the new bandwagon.

01:21:48.000 There's no environmental object behind her as far as I can see.

01:21:52.000 No, it's Palestine.

01:21:53.000 Right.

01:21:53.000 She's converted to the new trend.

01:21:55.000 I mean, the fact that Saudi Arabia Had the petrodollar deal with the United States for 50 years, and is a massive oil-producing nation, and she's like, I don't know.

01:22:06.000 But Israel buys gas, therefore.

01:22:08.000 It's like, wait, wait, hold on.

01:22:09.000 It's so outrageous.

01:22:11.000 Yeah, you got OPEC, Lee.

01:22:12.000 You got the entire Gulf region.

01:22:13.000 Come on.

01:22:14.000 Iran.

01:22:15.000 Nope.

01:22:16.000 Israel.

01:22:17.000 She could come out and be like... It's very interesting the choice, right?

01:22:19.000 I mean, Qatar's got a lot of oil.

01:22:23.000 She's not denouncing Qatar.

01:22:26.000 Russia's got a lot of oil.

01:22:28.000 And Chevron has been the target of a lot of domestic It's just a translation of that.

01:22:32.000 Corporate oil is bad.

01:22:32.000 summer, right?

01:22:33.000 Like there are all kinds of people camped out of all kinds of – I mean it's not just

01:22:38.000 Chevron.

01:22:39.000 It's like major corporations in America saying it was part of this summer of heat campaign.

01:22:44.000 So they would be like, you're ruining our lives by supporting oil.

01:22:46.000 It's just a translation of that.

01:22:48.000 Like corporate oil is bad.

01:22:50.000 We won't talk about any other sources of oil.

01:22:52.000 Let me try to give her some credit.

01:22:53.000 I think she might be trying to appropriate some of the Palestinian cause to try to reinvigorate some energy into the climate change movement. 0.98

01:23:01.000 She wants to bring more Islamists into the climate change movement. 0.96

01:23:04.000 That's very intuitive of her.

01:23:05.000 So she's like, hey, look, I'm in the keffiyeh.

01:23:07.000 I care about Palestine.

01:23:08.000 You guys ought to care about climate change.

01:23:10.000 Like, let's do this sort of exchange.

01:23:12.000 Stop pumping oil.

01:23:12.000 Your entire economy is out of Arabia.

01:23:14.000 Yeah, right.

01:23:15.000 Just so as far, you know, and I think that's part of it, like the camaraderie, the idea of her trying to, you know, it's funny because the BDS people, they don't boycott Chevron.

01:23:25.000 There's a long list of countries and different companies that try to boycott Israel and nonprofits that get people to try to boycott Israel.

01:23:32.000 Chevron is never on that list.

01:23:34.000 So she's trying to bring in some climate change stuff into the anti-Israel sentiment.

01:23:40.000 And it might be a politically savvy move, maybe, if If anyone could pull it off, I feel like it might be her.

01:23:47.000 It should be Boycott Aramco.

01:23:49.000 Is that Saudi or Russia?

01:23:51.000 What you're really saying is she's trying to diversify the ranks of the climate movement.

01:23:57.000 It's a little too white.

01:23:58.000 It's a little too European. 0.96

01:24:00.000 She'd like to see some more people in Vailes and Bardaz.

01:24:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:05.000 And I don't know if it's gonna work, but... You know, I wonder if Greta Thunberg supports the blowing up of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

01:24:15.000 I assume she does.

01:24:16.000 I assume she... But there's a lot of pollution, but... I don't think she cares.

01:24:20.000 Ultimately less oil.

01:24:23.000 Didn't she say something like, we don't want to wait till 2030 or 2025, we want it now?

01:24:28.000 And like, if you stopped fossil fuels today, I think the estimate is 60 million people die in three days.

01:24:34.000 Because freezing, heat, food spoils, there's people with diabetes that are—their insulin has to be refrigerated.

01:24:41.000 And so— But Tim, she wants math's death now. 0.52

01:24:45.000 Yeah.

01:24:46.000 I mean, isn't it interesting that not so long ago the primary cause of the left was eradicating global poverty, and now we have the possibility of having abundant natural gas, abundant fuel, low-cost energy, and the good that this could potentially do for the world is enormous.

01:25:05.000 And how ironic that these same people have now mobilized against it.

01:25:08.000 The one thing that has the chance to make life easier for Hundreds of millions of people on three continents who have very difficult lives right now.

01:25:18.000 Think about this.

01:25:19.000 In terms of the left's cause to eradicate poverty, you can't.

01:25:22.000 Poverty is relative.

01:25:24.000 No matter what you do, there will always be people at the lowest tier of class.

01:25:28.000 So in the United States, we have homeless people who are morbidly obese, right?

01:25:32.000 There's a mismanagement of resources, and we're like, oh, these poor people.

01:25:37.000 Low-income individuals in the United States today have better dental care, than Rockefeller did.

01:25:44.000 That's kind of crazy to think.

01:25:45.000 But it's true.

01:25:46.000 He certainly did live better in a lot of ways.

01:25:48.000 Servants, you know, a train on his command and beck and call, and was very wealthy and commanded respect.

01:25:53.000 But technology has advanced to the point where at least many of these things, which were only for the upper echelon of society, are now attainable by the poorest of society.

01:26:02.000 Air conditioning, clean running water, hot showers.

01:26:05.000 Those were unheard of a couple hundred years ago.

01:26:07.000 Life expectancy.

01:26:08.000 Absolutely.

01:26:09.000 And so I certainly don't want people living in the worst conditions.

01:26:12.000 We want to continually improve the conditions for the poorest among us, but they will always be the poorest among us.

01:26:17.000 There will always be poverty.

01:26:19.000 In a hundred years, poverty is going to be like you live in a floating castle with servants and filet mignon 3D printed, you know, manifested or whatever, and then you're going to be like, it's not fair, I wish I could go to outer space and travel to Jupiter.

01:26:32.000 The thing is, too, cheap oil and cheap energy disproportionately benefits the poorest in our society because it hits the bottom.

01:26:40.000 Everybody has to pay the same or use the same amount of it generally.

01:26:44.000 And who feels the pain when the gas goes up a couple of dollars and its downstream effects on the economy?

01:26:50.000 When you see a gas tax, it's the people who are at the bottom of the ring.

01:26:54.000 I was looking at one of those data charts that divides America.

01:26:59.000 Typically, they do this into five quintiles.

01:27:01.000 You know, there's the upper quintile, and then there's the next, and all the way down to the bottom quintile.

01:27:07.000 And I was thinking to myself, where do I fit in this kind of class distribution of America?

01:27:13.000 And I realized that through my life, just over the last 25 years, I've actually been in all five quintiles.

01:27:18.000 You know, for sure.

01:27:19.000 In fact, most of us have.

01:27:20.000 You start probably at the very bottom.

01:27:23.000 You try to make your way up the ladder.

01:27:26.000 So, in other words, the quintiles aren't counting, in a sense, rigid classes of people who spend all their life in that segment.

01:27:34.000 They are actually measuring the way one goes through life and improves, hopefully improves, your condition.

01:27:40.000 Obviously, there are people who also have downward mobility as well as upward.

01:27:44.000 And we have to remember that that dynamic aspect should be kept in mind when you look at these charts.

01:27:50.000 Absolutely.

01:27:51.000 Do you think that environmentalism as a conversation will ultimately drift farther down the political ladder?

01:28:00.000 I mean, Kamala Harris came out as the, I am the, I'm the savior of abortion in America candidate, whereas the environment was sort of a big push in Joe Biden's 2020 campaign.

01:28:12.000 He did position himself as someone who was going to take environmentalism seriously.

01:28:16.000 In fact, I was just reading a report that You know, there are a lot of environmental advocates who think he hasn't done enough and he's done kind of a bad job.

01:28:24.000 Well, I think that the reason – this is why I think the environmental movement has failed.

01:28:28.000 Because if it really succeeded, it would have persuaded at least its own side, right?

01:28:34.000 In other words, let's just say, for example, the environmentalists tell us that the oceans are rising and that coastal property as a result is going to be endangered.

01:28:45.000 As far as I can see, no one takes this seriously.

01:28:49.000 Why?

01:28:50.000 Because property values on the coast remain high.

01:28:53.000 And that means that buyers don't believe it, sellers don't believe it, real estate agents don't believe it.

01:28:57.000 So if the climate propaganda were successful, at least the Democrats would believe, listen, I can't buy in Martha's Vineyard. 0.98

01:29:04.000 I can't buy on Rehoboth Beach.

01:29:06.000 I can't buy in AgZ because the ocean is going to take my property.

01:29:11.000 So you would begin to see property values falter.

01:29:14.000 And the fact that we have seen no effect whatsoever tells me that everybody recognizes that the whole thing is nonsense.

01:29:22.000 And so they spout political rhetoric maybe on the one side, but their actions and their portfolios and the way they allocate money shows they don't believe it.

01:29:31.000 They even don't believe it.

01:29:33.000 Right.

01:29:34.000 I wonder if that's enough for the American people though, right?

01:29:38.000 Like there were a lot of Americans who felt like, like at one point when you would look at reasons people were deterring having children, climate anxiety was one of the number ones, that the world's going to fall apart and you couldn't add to the, you know, fossil fuel consumption or whatever it was.

01:29:53.000 It seems more so we're seeing people are just saying it's overall, the price of having children is very expensive.

01:29:58.000 Here's what it is.

01:29:59.000 In many cases, like economic policies, people are in a position to verify for themselves, right?

01:30:04.000 For example, you can tell if the economy is going well because of how it's affecting you.

01:30:09.000 But if somebody were to tell you something like, an asteroid is going to hit the earth next year, you're in no position to know.

01:30:15.000 You're bound to feel anxiety because someone's saying it, they appear to be credible, they appear to have degrees, and so you're going to worry about it.

01:30:23.000 But if a year goes by and two years goes by and ten years goes by and there's no sign of the asteroid, after a while you're going to go, wait a minute, I'm not too worried about that asteroid anymore.

01:30:33.000 I think that's what's really happening is that initially people thought, you know, that serious people are doing calculations and something troubling is going on with the entire globe.

01:30:46.000 And now they've begun to realize that, you know what, there's a lot of variation in temperature.

01:30:50.000 Some summers are hotter.

01:30:52.000 Others are not so hot.

01:30:54.000 It's Obama buying waterfront property in Martha's Vineyard.

01:30:58.000 There you go.

01:30:58.000 I just kind of don't believe you anymore, man.

01:31:00.000 I think something similar is happening with Trump.

01:31:02.000 I mean, I think that he is really a known quantity after basically a decade of running for public office.

01:31:08.000 At one point, there was a big panic and fear like he's going to ruin everyone's lives forever.

01:31:14.000 After his economy was pretty good and Biden's was pretty bad, I think people are similarly not looking out for this asteroid in the same way.

01:31:22.000 They sort of don't.

01:31:23.000 And Trump is quite, if you watch any of his rallies, the guy is an obvious comedian.

01:31:29.000 He's an obvious stand up guy.

01:31:31.000 So when he says things like, I'll be dictator for a day, and you pretend to take that seriously, he's really going to be dictator for a whole day!

01:31:38.000 But he actually, Hannity asked him, will you be a dictator?

01:31:41.000 It was only on day one to secure the border and drill for oil.

01:31:44.000 And they were like, he's going to murder people.

01:31:46.000 It's like, what?

01:31:48.000 Right.

01:31:48.000 He said to get the border closed.

01:31:50.000 And then he said bloodbath.

01:31:51.000 And Kamala Harris is like, he said there will be a bloodbath. 1.00

01:31:53.000 And he's like, Yeah, in the auto industry.

01:31:56.000 It means an economic downturn.

01:31:58.000 What? 1.00

01:31:58.000 But they're acting like they're morons, perhaps because many of them are. 1.00

01:32:03.000 This Greta person stinks. 1.00

01:32:05.000 I never want to hear about her ever again. 0.96

01:32:07.000 I looked her up to see, like, what is she up to these days?

01:32:10.000 Because again, she made her- I remember my- I had a teacher in high school who was like, I heard her speak at the UN, it was really impactful.

01:32:16.000 And, you know, you were saying before the show, like, it's just not cute anymore.

01:32:21.000 And I was trying to see, like, is she in college?

01:32:23.000 Like, does she run a group?

01:32:24.000 And all I can find are these, like, honorary doctorates that have been conferred to her by all of these universities.

01:32:29.000 I mean- I mean, she's such a weird creature. 0.94

01:32:32.000 I think what it is is that they're almost daring us to make fun of her, knowing that the moment we do, they will immediately turn on us and accuse us of being horribly insensitive and so on.

01:32:45.000 And so we hold back.

01:32:47.000 We resist.

01:32:49.000 And it's like a little game that they're playing.

01:32:51.000 I don't know.

01:32:51.000 I kind of like this idea.

01:32:53.000 If the cause that you champion isn't popular, just attach it to a separate cause.

01:32:58.000 And that's how you can get your cause across.

01:33:01.000 Did you guys hear about the Magic the Gathering scandal?

01:33:04.000 Well, it's the Democrats, you know, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris.

01:33:08.000 So, you know, they banned some magic cards.

01:33:10.000 You're doing it the wrong way.

01:33:12.000 Israel was involved.

01:33:14.000 You don't understand what's really trending right now.

01:33:17.000 Nenya, who personally called Hasbro and said, I want to ban Jeweled Lotus. 0.94

01:33:22.000 The Jeweled Lotus was stolen by the Jews in Israel and they wanted it all for themselves. 1.00

01:33:27.000 They wanted to crash the market.

01:33:29.000 Tim had to explain this whole thing to me before the show.

01:33:31.000 I was completely clueless. I was playing a video going over the news of the day, but actually for

01:33:36.000 us it would have to be more like Iran and Hezbollah called the Wizards of the Coast and they were like 0.83

01:33:41.000 ban this and we're like oh no and you know it's like she's the one. We need to wipe them off the map now.

01:33:46.000 Last thing on climate change. They have to go to war with Iran because they ban Magic Cards.

01:33:49.000 Last thing on climate change, even if the United States got to net zero, I think we only contribute

01:33:55.000 something like 15 or 20 percent of the world's global emissions.

01:33:59.000 And if there's no global consensus and cooperation on this, we're not getting anywhere.

01:34:03.000 China doesn't care at all. 0.99

01:34:05.000 They're increasing their coal productions.

01:34:06.000 But a lot of the biggest climate change critics, or not critics, biggest proponents of climate change will not blame China and say they're a role model in the fight.

01:34:16.000 Isn't this a part of NAFTA, too?

01:34:18.000 Like, Trump was like, NAFTA's a terrible deal.

01:34:20.000 And one of the problems is there are all kinds of environmental, like, carbon emission reduction requirements that Mexico just did not meet.

01:34:27.000 And it was sort of like, you guys should do that.

01:34:30.000 And they'd be like, we're probably not going to.

01:34:31.000 And then America would still continue to be like, we'll ban plastic straws and whatever else. 0.98

01:34:35.000 Like, there are countries that are actually They're producing more in terms of emissions and we just can't do anything to stop them and we all know it.

01:34:46.000 It's hard to blame them too because they're not doing this because they're like, oh screw the planet and we want to contribute to pollution.

01:34:52.000 They're doing this because cheap energy is good for their people and it helps with the economic development of their country.

01:34:58.000 So you're asking these countries to sacrifice that, sacrifice the well-being of the people in your country, make everything in the country more expensive.

01:35:06.000 Why?

01:35:06.000 Because some chart from some scientist says something in the future in a 50 or 100 years might happen.

01:35:13.000 There's another factor here that's going on, and this is something that was figured out internally in the country through the civil rights movement by the blacks, but it's been now being figured out by the rest of the world with regard to the West.

01:35:25.000 And that is, the West is the only civilization that is plagued by guilt over its own success.

01:35:33.000 No one else feels this way.

01:35:35.000 If you go to other countries and talk about the Indo-Pakistan War, the Indians will say things like, well, you know, we had a war and we won and that's that.

01:35:44.000 And there's no further need for discussion beyond the fact that we defeated you and we took all this territory and we're not giving it back because we got it.

01:35:52.000 It's only the West where you can say things like, hey listen, you've had all this development and now you need to pay us.

01:36:01.000 You now need to turn over some of this wealth to us.

01:36:04.000 As long as the West is willing to take out its wallet when that happens, the rest of the world realizes that guilt is a highly profitable business.

01:36:13.000 And so the Indians and the Chinese, I mean, you've just got to realize that they will mouth the slogans of climate change because they have been initiated into a game that the West has invented that they have now learned how to play. 0.96

01:36:27.000 They have no intention of actually doing anything, restricting their own development.

01:36:32.000 That would be insane.

01:36:33.000 They would have to face their own people if they did that. 0.97

01:36:36.000 They have no intention of even going there.

01:36:38.000 But they recognize that when they go to the UN, They're going to show climate sensitivity and use all the appropriate climate emergency and so on, but it's ultimately the West that has brought this, I think, this problem on itself because of its demonstrated willingness to be suckered in this way.

01:36:59.000 We're gonna go to super chat, so smash that like button.

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01:37:25.000 So as many of you know, we are in the process of suing the Kamala Harris campaign.

01:37:29.000 It's about 40 days till the election or so, so of course we're suing her for defamation, and it was an egregious lie, but it's not such an easy task and we could use your support.

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01:37:43.000 TimCast.com, click join us, but for now, we'll grab superchats.

01:37:46.000 We got Xia S, probably pronouncing that wrong, says, hey y'all.

01:37:50.000 Hey.

01:37:51.000 Scooby Dragon says, howdy people.

01:37:52.000 Howdy! 0.99

01:37:54.000 Cal H says, regarding this morning's survival conversation, I have the Ranger's Handbook in my Amazon cart, but what are some other resources to learn these skills?

01:38:01.000 Download some apps onto your phone.

01:38:04.000 Google search what you can get.

01:38:06.000 There are some really interesting apps.

01:38:07.000 There are apps that will show you the direction of the nearest cell tower.

01:38:10.000 So if you have weak signal, they have apps that you'll open up and it will point like a compass to the tower so you know which direction to walk to improve signal, and that could be amazing.

01:38:20.000 Check out some other stuff.

01:38:23.000 Alright, where are we at?

01:38:24.000 Yeah, this is crazy.

01:38:24.000 Apparently in the next couple of weeks they're going to completely liquidate InfoWars.

01:38:27.000 Alex Jones's business. They will go after his house and other belongings.

01:38:31.000 Yeah, this is crazy. Apparently in the next couple of weeks they're going to

01:38:34.000 completely liquidate InfoWars. They're going to auction off parts of it or something like that.

01:38:37.000 Who's going to buy it?

01:38:40.000 Is he still gonna continue the show, however?

01:38:42.000 I don't know how you stop him.

01:38:45.000 It's impossible to stop the guy.

01:38:48.000 You could take everything from him and some random person can hold up a cell phone and Alex Jones can go off and get a million views.

01:38:55.000 It's easier than ever, you know, to stream in any way.

01:38:58.000 But, you know, I mean, it's kind of crazy.

01:39:00.000 The bigger question I have is who would buy Alex Jones's equipment?

01:39:06.000 Oh, I thought you said company.

01:39:07.000 I thought we were going to be parent company to... No, no, no.

01:39:09.000 They're liquidating his company, which means they're going to try and get as much money as possible to pay off the lawsuit.

01:39:15.000 But I also think it's going to be strange.

01:39:16.000 I mean, especially in liberal circles, which is dominant in the media industry, who's going to want to be the person who has Alex Jones's camera?

01:39:24.000 Maybe as a trophy to be like, look at this, I bought his camera.

01:39:28.000 But what?

01:39:29.000 I mean, if you're a company and you're like, we bought Alex Jones's equipment from InfoWars to run this, they're going to be like, why would you help him?

01:39:34.000 Why would you do that?

01:39:35.000 But if you're starting, unless it's branded or something like that, I'm sure there's some business that's like, it's super cheap, I'm gonna buy it, and so therefore I have this fancy equipment, because the government sells quickly.

01:39:45.000 And you'll get it for dirt, I guess, but then people keep it secret.

01:39:49.000 But if anyone finds out that you bought Alec Jones' equipment to help pay down his debt from these families, I imagine they're gonna accuse you of being far right or something.

01:39:57.000 It seems like there's a strong vindictive component here, right?

01:40:01.000 In other words, their whole deal is, if they were trying to maximize Alec Jones's revenue so that he could pay off these legal debts, they would keep him in business.

01:40:13.000 But they would rather take less money, I think, and try to wreck his operation.

01:40:19.000 They said this.

01:40:20.000 Yeah.

01:40:20.000 They said they want to shut him down.

01:40:22.000 They want to shut him down.

01:40:23.000 But like you say, and that would have worked 25 years ago, but in today's era, it's a little difficult to pull off.

01:40:30.000 And I think part of Alex Jones's revenge needs to be, I think, to sort of stay on the air.

01:40:38.000 There's nothing they could ever do.

01:40:40.000 He can go to Best Buy and grab a camera for 200 bucks.

01:40:42.000 Yeah.

01:40:45.000 I mean, they're gonna claim he owes the GDP of France or whatever, but there's limitations what they can take from him.

01:40:50.000 They can't take his clothing off his back.

01:40:51.000 I wonder if we'll ever see a case where they go after his platforms as an asset of the company.

01:40:56.000 But even then, Alex Jones will go to some young guy and he'll be like, how many followers you got?

01:41:03.000 I got a hundred thousand on X. Okay, broadcast me.

01:41:05.000 And he's gonna be like, yeah.

01:41:06.000 And that kid's gonna be like, I'm gonna get a million followers from this.

01:41:10.000 There's just no way to stop Alex Jones.

01:41:14.000 How do you stop someone from speaking?

01:41:18.000 I guess you can try to track any revenue that comes in from that and say, I'm going to go after that, but that still doesn't intercept the speech itself.

01:41:25.000 So in that sense, Alex Jones retains his free speech.

01:41:29.000 All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:41:32.000 I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, people end the existence of others for a couple hundred thousand in insurance money.

01:41:37.000 What do you think others would do for control of the most powerful military economy and influence in the world?

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 It's not just that, it's that people hire hitmen.

01:41:47.000 There are hitmen who get paid like ten grand.

01:41:50.000 Like, to end someone's life.

01:41:53.000 You know?

01:41:54.000 That's crazy.

01:41:55.000 If you, yeah, I mean, if you watch these crime shows, you realize that people will do murder for like 200 bucks.

01:42:01.000 It's insane.

01:42:03.000 Jacqueline Stoico says, dang, I had to dig for this show.

01:42:06.000 Isn't that something?

01:42:07.000 Isn't that something?

01:42:09.000 The people who watch the show frequently keep talking about how YouTube makes it very hard to find.

01:42:13.000 Indeed.

01:42:13.000 Well, I really do appreciate that you guys tune in every night, and that makes it very difficult for them to try and censor us.

01:42:19.000 If everybody shared this show, We'd be the biggest show in the world.

01:42:24.000 We would.

01:42:25.000 And I had someone superchat the other day, I missed the superchat, but they were like, Dan Bongino gets 100,000 to 150,000, you really think he'd be the biggest?

01:42:32.000 First of all, Dan Bongino is awesome, big fan, and he does have a massive show.

01:42:36.000 And yes, my point is, if 50,000 people all at once posted the link on X, it would be the number one worldwide trend.

01:42:44.000 And then you'd get millions of people watching.

01:42:46.000 That's true, it's just...

01:42:48.000 People don't do that, I don't know.

01:42:51.000 We talked about maybe doing something cool like that.

01:42:52.000 There used to be this app called Thunderclap.

01:42:55.000 You'd sign up for it, and it would connect to your Twitter account, and then all at once, it sends out the same tweet, creating a viral worldwide trend, so everybody sees it in their feed.

01:43:04.000 But, you know, whatever.

01:43:06.000 Share the show if you like it, to help bypass the censorship.

01:43:09.000 Alright.

01:43:11.000 Shannon says, Candace Owens proved Kamala ain't black. 1.00

01:43:15.000 Well, did Kamala vote for Joe Biden?

01:43:19.000 Because that's the evidence we need.

01:43:20.000 I mean, if she didn't, then it's true.

01:43:22.000 She's not black. 0.97

01:43:22.000 Does she prove Macron's wife is a dude yet? 0.97

01:43:25.000 I'm still waiting for that one.

01:43:26.000 I don't know.

01:43:27.000 I don't know what we're doing here.

01:43:29.000 All right.

01:43:30.000 Sound Logic says, how do you know if you were one of the first 500 to sign up for Boonies HQ to get a free board?

01:43:34.000 I think it's first hundred, not 500.

01:43:37.000 On the website, it says the first 100 members get a free limited edition deck.

01:43:43.000 I suppose we're going to reach out to the first 100 and yeah.

01:43:48.000 And let them know that you were in the first group to sign up.

01:43:52.000 We sold out of all the snack boards.

01:43:54.000 Let me see if we can... What do we got going on here?

01:43:58.000 The old Boonies store.

01:44:00.000 Snack boards are back in stock, ladies and gentlemen.

01:44:03.000 We are quick with it.

01:44:04.000 We have 8 5's and 8's available.

01:44:07.000 So, these sold out instantly in a day.

01:44:09.000 Head over to boonieshq.com.

01:44:12.000 The Step on Snack and Find Out boards are available.

01:44:15.000 And, holy crap, they went quick.

01:44:17.000 So, we don't have the boobies. 0.98

01:44:21.000 This is my favorite, actually.

01:44:23.000 I didn't even know we were making this one.

01:44:25.000 There's none of them, though.

01:44:26.000 It's a booby bird.

01:44:27.000 You ever see a booby?

01:44:28.000 They have blue feet.

01:44:29.000 And instead of boonies, there's a bee over it.

01:44:31.000 It's brilliant.

01:44:31.000 I love it.

01:44:32.000 But the snack boards are back!

01:44:34.000 Uh, it's funny because, like, my board sold a little bit, you know, Boca's and Taylor's a little bit, and then the Snek boards were instantly gone.

01:44:41.000 So if you want to get a step on Snek and find out skateboard, boonieshq.com.

01:44:46.000 Alright, Steven Shefflo says, Hey Timmy community, a friend of mine is battling stage 4 cancer and has two young kids and could use the help.

01:44:52.000 I know GoFundMe, but please, help if you can, support Zoke's fight against melanoma.

01:45:01.000 It's S-Z-O-K-E. 1.00

01:45:04.000 Zoke?

01:45:04.000 I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

01:45:05.000 Best of luck, good sir.

01:45:07.000 It's already here.

01:45:09.000 TheDarkKing says, hey Tim, I just want to let you know is the only possible possibility that has been showing up regularly without fail is the no show tonight you posted three days ago weird.

01:45:22.000 Oh, interesting.

01:45:22.000 Oh, he's saying the only thing he's getting from the feed is the one where I said there wasn't a show yesterday.

01:45:26.000 YouTube plays dirty games!

01:45:28.000 That's what we call it.

01:45:28.000 We call it dirty games!

01:45:30.000 It's not very fun.

01:45:32.000 Mad Max says, make no mistake, a very significant part of the GOP hates Trump even more than Dems and would like nothing more for Trump to go away.

01:45:39.000 And I agree, there are a lot of Republicans who hate Trump and will vote for him anyway.

01:45:44.000 Because what are you going to do?

01:45:45.000 I think, you know, if I'm higher, this is what I was saying like a year or two ago.

01:45:50.000 Two guys show up to your house today, right?

01:45:51.000 And you got a broken toilet, and it stinks.

01:45:56.000 And you got one guy who said, I could fix it.

01:45:59.000 It's like, okay, well, you're a plumber?

01:46:01.000 Well, I could be a plumber.

01:46:02.000 And you're like, has anyone ever worked with you before?

01:46:04.000 No.

01:46:04.000 Do you have any reviews?

01:46:06.000 No, not a single review.

01:46:07.000 I took the job after my boss left the company, and I just decided to be a plumber.

01:46:11.000 You'd be like, okay. 0.92

01:46:12.000 Then another guy comes in with his butt crack sticking out and he's spitting up and he's, you know, yelling and complaining. 0.98

01:46:18.000 And he's overconfident. 0.97

01:46:19.000 He's, I'm gonna fix this.

01:46:20.000 I'm the best plumber.

01:46:20.000 He's got tons of reviews.

01:46:21.000 He's got rave fans.

01:46:22.000 They're all cheering for him.

01:46:23.000 You actually have seen his work in the past.

01:46:25.000 You know that he's good at fixing this.

01:46:26.000 What's he gonna pick?

01:46:28.000 Absolutely.

01:46:29.000 You're like, I'm not inviting him to dinner, I'm asking him to fix a problem for me, okay?

01:46:33.000 He can spit and cuss and yowl, but he's gonna fix my toilet and get the stench out of here. 0.55

01:46:37.000 The other person might seem nice and be drunk, who knows?

01:46:40.000 I don't even know who this person is!

01:46:41.000 How do you vote for him?

01:46:42.000 I mean, it's a good moment to spell out the philosophy of what appears to be the Paul Ryan view of the world, and that is, let's Let's sort of tank the 2024 election so that we get rid of Trump.

01:46:58.000 Let's bring the Democrats in for another term. 1.00

01:47:01.000 Admittedly, they're sort of destroying America, but the great news here is that we have a chance now to reconstitute the Republican Party so we can beat them the next time around, and this time we'll be a GOP without Trump, and we'll be better and stronger than ever.

01:47:18.000 And you just have to listen to that and ask yourself whether someone actually can espouse such a nonsensical vision of where he sees things going.

01:47:30.000 Especially when it's out of alignment with what the voters want.

01:47:33.000 I mean, Trump has wide popularity, maybe not among elected Republican officials, but among American voters.

01:47:41.000 The Republican base picked him for a reason.

01:47:45.000 And I think to say like, well, I know best, the Republican Party must reform under the image I see fit, and that's Donald Trump-less.

01:47:53.000 How are you going to sell that to the people who feel as though Trump is the reason that, or Trump is the only one who can get the country back on track?

01:48:01.000 Yeah, and to put it slightly differently, some of those sort of Trumpian issues were there before Trump.

01:48:06.000 I mean, we have to remember that even that Reaganism to some degree preceded Reagan.

01:48:11.000 It created Reagan.

01:48:13.000 It caused Reagan to embrace the issues that we today identify as Reaganism.

01:48:17.000 But those weren't all distinctive with Reagan.

01:48:19.000 Jack Kemp had a lot to do with it.

01:48:20.000 Gene Kirkpatrick had a lot to do with it.

01:48:22.000 They created Reaganism before Reagan.

01:48:25.000 The same happens with Trump.

01:48:26.000 So you're right.

01:48:28.000 Those issues are not going away.

01:48:30.000 All right.

01:48:31.000 Andre C. says, Tim, your views on the war and the death penalty are contradictory.

01:48:34.000 They're not.

01:48:34.000 He says, you can't not trust the government on death sentence, but trust them when intel agencies blame a foreign government on assassination.

01:48:41.000 Who killed JFK?

01:48:42.000 War equals death penalty. 0.67

01:48:43.000 Wrong! 0.86

01:48:44.000 You are wrong, good sir.

01:48:45.000 Well, let's start from the beginning.

01:48:47.000 First of all, the presumption on the death penalty is that I don't trust people like Kamala Hara and other actors to convince a jury, an institutionalized mechanism, to kill people.

01:48:57.000 There's a story that's going on right now that we had talked about where apparently, Hannah Clare, I think you know more than I do, that there's a guy who's on death row and there's exculpatory evidence but they won't hear it and they refuse to stay his execution.

01:49:08.000 Yeah, there's a man on death row in Missouri.

01:49:11.000 His name's slipping my mind right now, but he... This may get an ongoing issue.

01:49:14.000 I mean, he's been on death row for a long time and there have been a lot of efforts to appeal his case, but his team is saying right now there's new evidence.

01:49:22.000 The evidence is that his DNA does not match the DNA that was found on the murder weapon.

01:49:26.000 He's accused of killing a reporter, I believe, in the 80s.

01:49:31.000 And the governor has refused to stay the execution.

01:49:34.000 I believe the Supreme Court also did. 0.95

01:49:35.000 So he is going to be put to death tonight.

01:49:38.000 And I've heard the state, you know, argued a couple different ways, which is like, and it's a case I should have followed more closely before presenting on tonight.

01:49:45.000 But, you know, the state has argued he's had a fair trial.

01:49:48.000 The evidence that they are bringing up doesn't actually conflate anything that was brought up during trial.

01:49:53.000 And so he has he's been through the justice system fairly.

01:49:57.000 So here's the point.

01:49:58.000 There's an institutionalized mechanism at the state level where people are killed and you don't know anything about it.

01:50:04.000 So the argument I always share in the death penalty is, if I were the judge and I saw the evidence and I knew he did it, well of course you could do those things.

01:50:11.000 And I trust you.

01:50:12.000 I trust that if there was a deranged murderer who was trying to kill me and you were standing in front of me, you would do the right thing to use the force necessary to save my life up to and including lethal force.

01:50:22.000 I don't trust an institution that is the bureaucracy of the United States to effectively run a system that kills people because they deem it to be so, because there's a big difference between you as a good moral person and the Democrats in this country who don't know up from down and vote for Kamala Harris, who are going to be on those juries.

01:50:39.000 And you're never going to get past that one.

01:50:41.000 But more to the point, the idea that First of all, the death penalty presumption was always that in the event you know definitively a person is a threat to others, you have the right to take action to protect others.

01:50:51.000 We know that.

01:50:52.000 The problem is you don't know.

01:50:54.000 That's why when I brought up war with Iran, I specifically said, imagine a circumstance where we knew definitively it wasn't a question of they're trying to convince you. 0.98

01:51:02.000 It was somehow you know 100% you as an individual.

01:51:05.000 Then would you be okay with war?

01:51:10.000 The question is always whether or not you as an individual have direct knowledge of an event beyond a reasonable doubt, or an institution has decided to convince you of something and you let them do it.

01:51:19.000 Because you're right!

01:51:21.000 War and death penalty are very much related.

01:51:23.000 Why do you think I'm extremely anti-intervention?

01:51:25.000 Because the government came to us and said, trust us, we have to go invade these foreign countries.

01:51:30.000 Trust us, we need the drone bombings.

01:51:31.000 Barack Obama says, trust us, we're only targeting evil people, and then he went and blew up a bunch of American citizens.

01:51:36.000 So, no, I don't trust you.

01:51:37.000 I don't trust a single person.

01:51:39.000 You explained to me how Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki was killed by the U.S.

01:51:41.000 government in a country we're not at war with.

01:51:44.000 No, I don't trust any of it. 1.00

01:51:45.000 So, if you think domestically, I'm going to support people who say, trust me, we need to kill this guy, I'm going to say, screw off! 0.99

01:51:51.000 I've been down there where I see exactly what you do. 0.71

01:51:53.000 Sure, probably most of the people, the overwhelming majority of the people you're going after, but sooner or later, there's going to be political retribution or there's going to be error and negligence and malice that result in innocent people being killed.

01:52:04.000 And that is a problem, in my opinion.

01:52:06.000 If you want to look it up, the case I was referring to is Marcellus Williams, and he was actually executed about 40 minutes ago.

01:52:12.000 No?

01:52:12.000 Wow.

01:52:14.000 And there was potentially exculpatory evidence.

01:52:18.000 And they didn't want to hear it.

01:52:19.000 I don't know if they didn't want to hear it.

01:52:20.000 I mean, the argument is that he was given – he exhausted his appeals and then afterwards this evidence was brought up.

01:52:28.000 I'm not – I'm super well-versed in this case, but – Well, again – Hypothetically, we have an appeals process to the death penalty.

01:52:35.000 I'm not sure how this factored in.

01:52:37.000 If it's true, because we didn't research this, that he exhausted all of his appeals and then they discovered exculpatory evidence that now your appeals are exhausted, that is a psychotic system.

01:52:46.000 I kind of don't believe that's the case, though.

01:52:48.000 I think that's, you know, however, that being said, Kamala Harris did keep a guy on death row despite knowing there was evidence that proved he was innocent because she is a demon. 0.98

01:52:57.000 And it's just insane to me that we know it's not just Kamala Harris, that other prosecutors have kept innocent people on death row out of fear for career embarrassment, and they don't want to acknowledge they prosecuted an innocent person, so they're just like, just kill them so that no one finds out. 0.91

01:53:10.000 That's insane.

01:53:11.000 And this happens.

01:53:12.000 I'm not ardently against the death penalty.

01:53:14.000 It's something that I feel like I'm constantly reviewing and how I feel about it because it's so complicated.

01:53:18.000 But this case is weird because from what I know from the reporting I was listening to today, the victim's family was saying that the execution should be stayed.

01:53:27.000 And there you go.

01:53:27.000 Everyone should agree.

01:53:28.000 If the victim's family says, guys, wait, wait, wait, we don't want to kill the guy who's wrong.

01:53:32.000 Imagine, imagine you're a dad and your daughter gets killed.

01:53:35.000 And you're angry and you demand answers and they find a guy who fits the bill.

01:53:38.000 They think it's him.

01:53:39.000 And you're like, I want justice.

01:53:41.000 And then 10 years later, you think everything's resolved and evidence comes out proving this guy did not do it definitively.

01:53:47.000 It was someone else.

01:53:48.000 Would you want to have blood on your hands of an innocent person?

01:53:51.000 I don't know.

01:53:51.000 Some people—I imagine most honorable men suffering would say, like, well, don't kill an innocent person because of my—I think most people would agree, no, we don't want to—you don't want to be a murderer.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that we should separate the cases where we have an element of genuine, reasonable doubt, because the idea of executing an innocent man is horrific.

01:54:12.000 I agree with that.

01:54:14.000 On the other hand, let's just take the case where, let's say for example, you have a serial murderer and he is on video having done these things.

01:54:22.000 And in other words, there is no doubt, not even reasonable doubt, there's no doubt at all that this is in fact the perpetrator and the crimes are horrific.

01:54:30.000 I think in that case, the argument for the death penalty is extremely strong.

01:54:34.000 Except that argument is, in a single instance where we have definitive proof, we justify an entire machine where other instances without proof will be justified.

01:54:43.000 So every single time I have this conversation, the opposing argument is always, what about the one moment where you know for sure?

01:54:50.000 But we're not arguing about one moment.

01:54:52.000 We all agree.

01:54:53.000 If you see a person, with your own eyes, about to commit a horrific act, or you know he's a threat, let's just put it very bluntly, a threat to society that cannot be contained, and the only way to save someone's life or great bodily harm is to use force against them, up to and including lethal force, everyone agrees.

01:55:08.000 Everyone agrees.

01:55:09.000 But how does that justify mechanizing, at a national, institutional level, A system where we know the bureaucracy can't even run a DMV properly.

01:55:17.000 Exactly.

01:55:17.000 Not to mention the fact that very often the way that these prosecutors look at these cases is not in terms of, did he do it?

01:55:26.000 They look at it as, can I get a conviction?

01:55:29.000 In other words, have I got enough in the bag that I could get a jury to say guilty?

01:55:35.000 And that is a completely different thing.

01:55:37.000 That's more gamifying the system and looking at it as a career opportunity for a prosecutor.

01:55:44.000 Can I get this guy?

01:55:45.000 And can I get the jury to go along with me regardless of whether he did it or not?

01:55:51.000 And that's a very scary thought.

01:55:52.000 There's so many perverse incentives with prosecutors and defense attorneys.

01:55:56.000 Like, if you're a defense attorney and you're defending somebody who you even know did something wrong, you're still going to try to manipulate the legal system in any way possible.

01:56:04.000 I think Hillary Clinton famously used to brag about the horrible people that she used to help protect. 0.98

01:56:10.000 But that's what makes somebody a good defense attorney.

01:56:15.000 I think Matt Walsh made a lot of really great points when we discussed it, and he said, we need to think about in terms of what is possible and what we can do right now.

01:56:24.000 The island sounds great, you can't do it.

01:56:27.000 Because my argument is, just exile people.

01:56:29.000 If they get convicted by unreasonable doubt, you don't have to kill them, just say, you go live yourself somewhere else.

01:56:33.000 And I agree.

01:56:34.000 And so my response was, I don't have a good alternative right now.

01:56:37.000 I don't think it makes sense that you put someone in jail for 40 years and we have to pay the bill for it now.

01:56:41.000 But I also don't like the idea of an institution that can kill innocent people and does.

01:56:46.000 Depending on the metrics you look at, it could be between, you know, 1 in 200 to 1 in like 80.

01:56:52.000 It's like 4% of the high end from activist groups is around 4% of executions are innocent individuals.

01:57:00.000 Four out of a hundred.

01:57:01.000 That's one in twenty-five.

01:57:02.000 That's crazy.

01:57:03.000 It could be as low by conservative estimates of one in two hundred.

01:57:06.000 And I'm like, that's still crazy.

01:57:08.000 However, I recognize I don't really have good alternatives, just that I morally oppose it.

01:57:12.000 Therefore, what I told Matt was, well, look, you know, fair point.

01:57:15.000 You're not going to see me joining an advocacy group and going and marching in D.C.

01:57:19.000 to abolish the death penalty because I don't know.

01:57:21.000 All I know is I don't like the idea of institutionalizing the state to have the power to kill people when you've got Kamala Harris and Joe Biden as people who are running the system.

01:57:30.000 This is why I don't like to take a definitive stance on it.

01:57:32.000 I'm generally open to capital punishment, but, you know, one of the benefits of living in modern society is that we are able to demand higher levels of proof, like DNA, like video surveillance, like cell phones, and some of this stuff is fallible, but, like, If you were on trial for capital punishment in the 1920s, it would be really different, right?

01:57:55.000 Like, to me, the ability to definitively prove something is much better now.

01:58:01.000 And of course, the risk of potentially putting someone to death for a crime they didn't commit is horrifying.

01:58:07.000 On the other hand, the burden – like, if our prisoncism is to Remove violence from society and hopefully reform those who can be reformed and otherwise deal with those who can't.

01:58:19.000 I think you have to weigh the benefits here.

01:58:21.000 Andre C. chiming in again saying, Tim, intel agencies fabricated definitive proof in the past.

01:58:25.000 You can't not trust on death penalty, but trust the same institution on foreign assassin.

01:58:30.000 I think once again you are mistaken, sir.

01:58:32.000 I have never said I will trust the intelligence agencies on foreign assassinations.

01:58:37.000 I said, in the instance where you know definitively that a foreign government killed your leader, a president or politician, would you be okay with war?

01:58:46.000 I never said, in the instance where an intelligence agency comes to you and says, trust me, I have proof, my response would be the same.

01:58:52.000 I don't trust the government.

01:58:53.000 Kamala Harris is going to come to me and be like, look at this proof that I got.

01:58:56.000 I'm like, get out of my face!

01:58:57.000 Or the Vindmans.

01:58:59.000 They're going to be like, we're going to trust—no, none of you people.

01:59:01.000 I'm saying, I mean, we've been talking about assassination attempts on Trump.

01:59:05.000 Now, think about it.

01:59:06.000 On the third attempt, we talked about Iran.

01:59:09.000 But look at the first two attempts, right?

01:59:11.000 Now, no one is saying, and I wouldn't say for a minute that this is an, quote, inside job in which the intelligence agency selected a 20-year-old like Crooks and said, you go do it.

01:59:24.000 That's not believable.

01:59:26.000 But what is to me believable is that people high up in the government know that there are kooks out there who might want to get Trump.

01:59:34.000 And they don't think it's the worst thing in the world if they did.

01:59:37.000 And so you find out there's this guy Crooks and he's planning to go up in this building and climb up on this roof.

01:59:45.000 And so you conveniently leave the roof unguarded.

01:59:48.000 This kind of thing, to me, is believable and needs to be investigated.

01:59:52.000 I'm not saying it happened exactly that way, but it could have, and it is telling that we have so much distrust today of our own agencies that we would believe them fully capable of doing that.

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