Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - US National Mall VANDALIZED With 8647 Just Before America 250 | Timcast IRL

00:02:24.000 Someone somehow has vandalized the National Mall to spell out 8647 in gigantic letters just across from the reflecting pool, right after these renovations, just in time for America's 250th.

00:02:39.000 It's actually pretty wild because it looks like they use some kind of desiccant or, I don't know if they use the pesticide to spray circles in the lawn to spell this thing out.

00:02:49.000 Police came to try and figure out how they did it.

00:02:51.000 It's actually pretty brutal.

00:02:53.000 Guys, I know you don't like Trump, but the grass didn't do anything to you.

00:02:55.000 I don't know why you don't got to kill the grass.

00:02:57.000 So.

00:02:58.000 I guess that's the big news because Donald Trump did this morning announce that we're going to invade Iran.

00:03:03.000 And I was like, holy wow.

00:03:05.000 Oh, he actually said we're going to take Carg Island and seize the oil infrastructure.

00:03:09.000 And then, like a couple hours later, he's like, no, I'm canceling it. 0.99

00:03:11.000 We're not going to strike Iran because now they're talking to us. 1.00

00:03:14.000 And I'm like, here we go. 1.00

00:03:15.000 Guys, it's a yo yo, it's a back and forth.

00:03:17.000 Like every week, the deal's on and then the deal's off.

00:03:20.000 And my only assumption is that somebody in the Trump admin circle is just, they're buying low and they're selling high and they're shorting all the way down because the oil prices are bouncing up and down.

00:03:30.000 Now, to be fair, they've gone down a little bit, but.

00:03:33.000 I don't think there's any real intention to end this war.

00:03:35.000 And I should have seen it coming when, you know, Trump says we're going to invade, that he was going to come out a couple hours later, like, oh, no, actually, we have a deal.

00:03:43.000 And I'm going to say it now. 0.91

00:03:45.000 I hope it's true.

00:03:46.000 But I really feel like he's going to come out tomorrow and be like, actually, no, it's not. 0.84

00:03:51.000 Considering Iran already said, nah, we're not playing.

00:03:55.000 There was some news earlier today that the Pentagon was evacuated.

00:03:58.000 It was a false alarm.

00:03:59.000 So we're just going to talk about what we got going on in the politics.

00:04:02.000 Graham Platner is getting a lot more heat now.

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00:04:05.000 I want to talk a bit about the latest updates on the California election.

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00:05:55.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.

00:05:57.000 We got a couple people, but we got this gentleman here, Jeremiah Hicks.

00:06:01.000 Pleasure to be here, man.

00:06:02.000 Who are you?

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00:06:04.000 My name is Jeremiah.

00:06:05.000 I'm from Kansas City.

00:06:06.000 I'm a content creator and a pastor.

00:06:08.000 I love telling people the truth, honestly.

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00:06:18.000 That's right on.

00:06:19.000 I'm excited to have you here because you are about to be tested because of our next guest, Brian Shapiro.

00:06:24.000 Good to see you guys, man.

00:06:26.000 I know your listeners are very happy to see me as well.

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00:06:31.000 You go by, I think you call yourself Lion Crying Brian on social media.

00:06:35.000 I think that's what the haters call me.

00:06:36.000 They call me a lot of other things too, which is totally fine.

00:06:40.000 What do you do?

00:06:40.000 Well, so who are you?

00:06:41.000 My name is Brian Shapiro.

00:06:43.000 I do a show called Pushing the Limits.

00:06:45.000 I'm a political commentator, and I appreciate you guys inviting me back.

00:06:49.000 And I have some bad news for everybody.

00:06:51.000 I'm going to be back here tomorrow as well.

00:06:53.000 Yeah.

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00:07:08.000 Yeah, I mean, last time you called me a retard.

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00:07:17.000 What are the chances that we can do a show both bald?

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00:07:36.000 We do have some breakage.

00:07:37.000 Okay, now Ian's just cranked the volume.

00:07:39.000 Ian, you're like at a level 10 now.

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00:07:45.000 I saw that too.

00:07:47.000 Anyway, the boys are hanging out too.

00:07:48.000 Ian's a buddy.

00:07:50.000 Pleasure of mine.

00:07:51.000 We also got this Labonte man over this creek.

00:07:54.000 Hello, everybody.

00:07:55.000 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, Carter.

00:07:55.000 My name is Phil Labonte.

00:07:58.000 What's up, Brian?

00:07:59.000 Glad you're here, Jeremiah.

00:08:00.000 You get such a bad rap.

00:08:01.000 I've never met you before, but it's a chill dude.

00:08:03.000 Yeah, what do you mean?

00:08:05.000 You still love it?

00:08:06.000 I'm going to follow you on an iPhone.

00:08:08.000 You know, Phil already insulted me before the show started.

00:08:11.000 He just tweeted out, I've learned Brian doesn't know how to use his phone.

00:08:14.000 I responded by saying, Yeah, it's a Trump phone. 0.73

00:08:16.000 I also sent him a direct message on Twitter that just said, Gay. 0.61

00:08:21.000 Well, let's get into it. 1.00

00:08:22.000 It's funny.

00:08:23.000 All right, here we go.

00:08:24.000 Here's a story from the BBC Police investigate 8647 written in grass on U.S. National Mall.

00:08:31.000 It's actually.

00:08:32.000 Pretty interesting how they did this.

00:08:34.000 It appears that somebody, I gotta be honest, it's actually an impressive feat because you can see what they did with the 86.

00:08:41.000 It seems like they lined up, they lined these things up and then sprayed some kind of herbicide. 0.99

00:08:49.000 I called it a pesticide earlier, that was stupid. 0.98

00:08:51.000 Herbicide or desiccant to kill the plants to spell out 8647. 0.99

00:08:57.000 Looks like they didn't quite get the four in there before it got shut down.

00:09:00.000 They say the police are investigating a large imprint of 8647.

00:09:04.000 86 is a slang term for get rid of.

00:09:06.000 US Park Police responded to a report of vandalism.

00:09:08.000 Now, keep in mind, it's pretty crazy.

00:09:11.000 Look at the size of the people in the image.

00:09:13.000 I mean, these are big, big circles.

00:09:15.000 That's pretty crazy how they pulled this off.

00:09:18.000 And this is just before this weekend is the UFC game.

00:09:21.000 It's America 250 celebrations are kicking off.

00:09:23.000 And this is just outside the reflecting pool, which just recently got renovated.

00:09:28.000 So clearly, this is intended to kind of be poking at all of that, as well as making a big statement just before the America 250.

00:09:37.000 Now, for those who don't know what 8647 means, Rest assured, no one else does either.

00:09:41.000 The history of it is apocryphal.

00:09:43.000 There's a few different theories.

00:09:44.000 One is that there was a soda pop shop that had a menu item, number 86, that one time got removed.

00:09:50.000 Customers would then come in and say, if something else got removed, they'd be like, hey, what happened to the chocolate cake you had?

00:09:55.000 The server would go, it got 86'd, referencing the 86 foot em that had been removed in the past.

00:10:00.000 However, others believe it comes from Vegas, the mafia.

00:10:04.000 They'd say 86'em means eight miles out and six feet under.

00:10:08.000 It was a slang term used so that if they were speaking in code, The feds wouldn't know exactly what they're saying or couldn't use it against them.

00:10:14.000 And they would then go, no, no, we were just saying not to kill the guy, but like a restaurant, you know, get him off the menu, you know what I'm saying?

00:10:22.000 So some people very much view this as a death threat, depending on the context.

00:10:26.000 Whereas I would say conservatives view it on the border of it's an indirect threat to a threat, and liberals view it as just a general anti Trump statement.

00:10:36.000 But I'll throw it to you guys.

00:10:37.000 Are we facing the most terrifying death threat in the Trump administration history?

00:10:43.000 And should we be worried?

00:10:45.000 The whole point of this is just to try to throw egg on Trump's face for the UFC fight this weekend and stuff.

00:10:52.000 Look, this is typical Democrat stuff. 0.55

00:10:53.000 They couldn't even do it right, right?

00:10:55.000 Like, can't finish it.

00:10:56.000 You couldn't even get the full ballroom.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, the ballroom is working out really well.

00:10:59.000 It takes a little time to build.

00:11:00.000 It takes a little time to build.

00:11:01.000 What did you just call me?

00:11:02.000 It takes a little time to build a building.

00:11:04.000 So, let me address it.

00:11:05.000 They're not building a ballroom.

00:11:07.000 Well, from what I. Do you know the ballroom is fake?

00:11:10.000 What do you mean it's fake?

00:11:11.000 They're building a deep underground military base, and the ballroom just covers it.

00:11:17.000 But this is it.

00:11:17.000 Okay.

00:11:18.000 I mean, it was actually Democrats that called this out.

00:11:22.000 Initially, Trump's like, we want to build a big, beautiful ballroom.

00:11:25.000 And all these conservatives are like, we need the ballroom.

00:11:28.000 And then Newsweek put out a report, I think it was Newsweek, saying, hey, actually, they've got a massive budget for a deep underground base.

00:11:35.000 Well, first he was asking for $200 million from his donors.

00:11:38.000 It wouldn't be from people who are paying taxes.

00:11:41.000 Then it went up to $400 million.

00:11:42.000 We're going to listen to the people who complain about Trump all night long.

00:11:45.000 Now they're asking for $400 million.

00:11:47.000 Brian's got one message.

00:11:48.000 What is he complaining about Trump?

00:11:49.000 Brian, how come earlier tonight you were like, I'm not a Democrat.

00:11:49.000 He's like, seven million.

00:11:53.000 I'm an independent.

00:11:54.000 And I say, Democrats, this, and you jump to defending Democrats and change the topic straight to, oh, I hate those.

00:11:54.000 I am.

00:12:00.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:12:01.000 One trick pony.

00:12:02.000 No, no, no, no.

00:12:03.000 I got to go for that.

00:12:04.000 I actually interrupted him to jump in on the ballroom point.

00:12:08.000 He's the one that brought the ballroom up, though.

00:12:09.000 No, no, no.

00:12:10.000 Let's talk about 86 47. 0.99

00:12:11.000 Do you think Comey, by the way, if you want to keep this high, I don't care about this shit. 0.99

00:12:15.000 Well, Donald Trump does because they pressed it. 0.99

00:12:17.000 Be right there.

00:12:18.000 Straight to Donald Trump.

00:12:19.000 You are a one trick pony.

00:12:20.000 That's what 86 47 is. 0.52

00:12:22.000 It says 86 47.

00:12:23.000 What do you mean I'm a one trick pony?

00:12:24.000 Trick pony, we're talking about 86-97.

00:12:26.000 I'm talking about you constantly direct your argument straight at Donald Trump.

00:12:30.000 That's the only thing you think that's what's the story we're talking about.

00:12:33.000 It doesn't matter though.

00:12:34.000 You don't want me bringing up Donald Trump?

00:12:36.000 No, I don't care if you bring up what's your argument.

00:12:38.000 I know that you're definitely gonna bring up Donald Trump.

00:12:40.000 I'm talking about the fact that even when we were in Vegas, everything was straight to Donald Trump, no matter what the topic was.

00:12:45.000 You all you do is pivot to Donald Trump.

00:12:47.000 What do you mean when we let's catch him when he was in Las Vegas?

00:12:51.000 He did IRL when Tim wasn't there.

00:12:52.000 There's the three oh, you're talking about that show when we were in Vegas.

00:12:54.000 Well, last I checked, Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax.

00:12:59.000 Also, always talk about Donald Trump.

00:13:01.000 Your best buddy, Benny Johnson, Michael Bush.

00:13:04.000 My best buddy.

00:13:04.000 I've never met Benny Johnson.

00:13:05.000 I'm being facetious.

00:13:07.000 Everybody on the right also talks about Donald Trump 24 7.

00:13:10.000 But you know what the difference is, Phil, between me and you?

00:13:12.000 I don't wear Donald Trump knee pads 24 7.

00:13:14.000 Do I have anything on?

00:13:15.000 I mean, do I have anything on that says Donald Trump?

00:13:18.000 Have you ever seen anything on me?

00:13:19.000 Have you ever criticized Donald Trump for anything?

00:13:20.000 Absolutely.

00:13:22.000 I don't care what you believe.

00:13:24.000 I don't want to have a long winded conversation about who's criticizing Trump too much or too little.

00:13:28.000 What does 86 47 mean, Tim?

00:13:30.000 Because I talk all the time in Vegas.

00:13:32.000 We all obviously know what 8647 means.

00:13:35.000 Is that a crime?

00:13:36.000 They've been trying to do it for every season.

00:13:38.000 I mean, every year it's like a new season of let's try to get rid of Donald Trump.

00:13:41.000 Is it a crime if you say 8647?

00:13:44.000 I mean, it can be considered a crime.

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 It can be.

00:13:47.000 So all the people on social media that say 8647 should all be prosecuted?

00:13:51.000 It can be.

00:13:52.000 And he said it could be.

00:13:53.000 I said it can be.

00:13:54.000 You think Comey is credibly, you think that's a threat to Donald Trump, James Comey?

00:13:54.000 Does that mean all?

00:14:00.000 You think that was a credible threat?

00:14:01.000 Or do you think that's just political prosecution?

00:14:03.000 I got my hand up.

00:14:04.000 I was asking him.

00:14:05.000 I know what you're asking.

00:14:06.000 That's why I put my hand up.

00:14:09.000 The thing about it is, we understand the nature and the temperature and climate of this country when it comes to this president.

00:14:16.000 That's not what I asked you about the climate.

00:14:17.000 Is it a crime?

00:14:18.000 He said it's a crime.

00:14:19.000 Is it a crime?

00:14:20.000 I said it could be.

00:14:21.000 So I'm asking you specifically, Comey, do you think in seashells on the beach, a man who has never been convicted of a crime before, when he puts in seashells 8647, you think that is credible that that could be an assassination attempt or a threat to the president of the United States?

00:14:37.000 Okay, well, I think that's absolutely absurd.

00:14:37.000 Yes.

00:14:40.000 We know you think that.

00:14:41.000 But let me give you my train of thought on the Comey thing.

00:14:43.000 That's absurd.

00:14:44.000 Comey was in.

00:14:45.000 I disagree.

00:14:46.000 Let me give you my thought process on it.

00:14:48.000 I don't think Comey was threatening to murder Trump.

00:14:50.000 I think it was a threat.

00:14:51.000 Comey was in a meeting with Yates, Biden, and Obama, where they had a discussion about accusing Trump of being a Russian and this campaign that had come up with the Steele dossier.

00:15:01.000 That indicates that there is something malicious that is not.

00:15:05.000 Being malicious is not necessarily a crime, though.

00:15:08.000 But let me get to my point.

00:15:08.000 Agreed.

00:15:10.000 So when you're the DOJ right now, And Comey, who is connected to powerful forces that have engaged in what I would describe as illicit activities, like illegitimate, saying 8647.

00:15:23.000 The question is Is there a preponderance of evidence that this could be a legitimate threat?

00:15:29.000 If you are Donald Trump and you are the DOJ and you say Comey has engaged in surreptitious activities with powerful political forces to lie, smear, defame, and maliciously target the president, this statement is a threat.

00:15:44.000 Then I think that's a fair assessment.

00:15:46.000 That doesn't mean he's been convicted.

00:15:48.000 I'd like to see the evidence because, specifically, what Blanche said was not all instances of 8647 are crimes.

00:15:54.000 This one, we believe, is, which means what they presented the grand jury, the grand jury did agree with.

00:15:59.000 I think there may be something underlying.

00:16:00.000 I would reserve it too.

00:16:02.000 I await a criminal conviction should that be the case.

00:16:05.000 How much is that going to happen, Tim?

00:16:06.000 Do you?

00:16:08.000 20%, right?

00:16:10.000 Okay, I think that's low.

00:16:11.000 Very low chance that he will be prosecuted.

00:16:14.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:16:14.000 I think this is.

00:16:15.000 He's being prosecuted.

00:16:16.000 Well, I shouldn't say that.

00:16:17.000 Found guilty.

00:16:18.000 Convicted.

00:16:18.000 Yes, that's what I meant to say here.

00:16:20.000 No, I don't think it's credible.

00:16:21.000 I don't think that that was an actual threat.

00:16:23.000 I think it's pretty clear what Comey was doing.

00:16:25.000 And I think when I see people on social media saying 86 47, I don't think those are credible threats either.

00:16:31.000 I think we know what an actual credible threat is.

00:16:33.000 Yeah, the ones where they were actually trying to take him out, which they have been doing.

00:16:36.000 Yes, that's not Comey.

00:16:37.000 Exactly.

00:16:38.000 Like I said before, this is just to put egg on Donald Trump's face.

00:16:38.000 I agree with you.

00:16:42.000 Sure, of course.

00:16:43.000 I don't disagree with you there.

00:16:43.000 It's knocking on him.

00:16:44.000 Let me finish.

00:16:45.000 So you don't think it's inciting anybody to do that?

00:16:47.000 I think that I honest, genuinely, I think that there is, if you're talking about incitement, there's far more stuff that you find on social media that's far more egregious than this.

00:16:56.000 This is just on the lawn.

00:16:58.000 I forget.

00:16:59.000 I think it's on the hockey.

00:17:00.000 National Mall.

00:17:01.000 National Mall.

00:17:02.000 Right in front of the pool, which they just renovated.

00:17:04.000 So it's just to put egg on Donald Trump's face because of the 250, which it's worth noting.

00:17:10.000 Like the 250th anniversary of the creation of the United States and people are doing stuff like this, it's very bad taste.

00:17:18.000 It's very lowbrow, but.

00:17:20.000 You know, it's, I don't think that it's a threat.

00:17:22.000 It's very American.

00:17:23.000 I mean, not with the patriarchy, not with the empire.

00:17:27.000 Bad taste, low brow.

00:17:30.000 I mean, we can give examples of that.

00:17:31.000 Yes, you'll talk about how bad Donald Trump is.

00:17:33.000 I think higher positions that do that.

00:17:34.000 I think that doesn't change the fact that that's is.

00:17:38.000 It's not breaking the law.

00:17:39.000 No, it's not.

00:17:40.000 Wait, wait, wait, guys, that is illegal.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, that's vandalism.

00:17:44.000 That's illegal.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:45.000 The issue is, it's like people, so it's breaking the law.

00:17:45.000 It's not your property.

00:17:48.000 If you're not breaking the law, then that's wrong.

00:17:49.000 People keep trying to downplay the fact that the president of the United States has been consistently in.

00:17:56.000 Places where he's been almost lost his life.

00:17:59.000 I don't know if we can tell you.

00:18:00.000 Assassinated or shot at.

00:18:00.000 We tried to do that.

00:18:01.000 We tried to do that.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 And so, I mean, maybe the same people that are putting things like 86 47 on the wall.

00:18:07.000 Do you know who's tried to kill Donald Trump?

00:18:10.000 Do I know who's tried to kill Donald Trump?

00:18:11.000 Of the people who have tried to do this?

00:18:11.000 Do you know the history of it?

00:18:13.000 One of them's in jail.

00:18:14.000 The first person who tried to kill Donald Trump was a registered Republican, came from a MAGA family.

00:18:18.000 Oh, no.

00:18:18.000 The second person.

00:18:19.000 You don't know anything about the actual person, though.

00:18:22.000 You are wrong.

00:18:22.000 Was he a registered Republican?

00:18:23.000 You're talking about.

00:18:25.000 Who are you talking about?

00:18:25.000 Talking about Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, that's not the first time someone tried to kill Trump.

00:18:28.000 First time.

00:18:28.000 I'm not saying that.

00:18:29.000 I'm just going through them with the history of it.

00:18:31.000 No, no, you said the first person who tried to kill Trump.

00:18:32.000 Well, the first time someone tried to kill Trump was in 2015, during the campaign, they tried grabbing a gun from a cop's belt. 0.86

00:18:40.000 To shoot and kill Trump, and he got stopped. 0.80

00:18:42.000 Correct. 0.98

00:18:42.000 The second attempt, correct me if I'm wrong, was the golf course situation where there was a guy, right? 0.98

00:18:47.000 Or third.

00:18:47.000 I'm sorry, third.

00:18:48.000 Third.

00:18:48.000 Right.

00:18:49.000 So it's a little pathetic. 0.93

00:18:51.000 I understand you're saying in this term, in the Trump era of the past 10 years, I think there's been more than three. 0.94

00:18:56.000 There's been maybe like six or seven.

00:18:58.000 The third attempt was on the golf course, a guy who once voted for Donald Trump back in 2016.

00:18:58.000 There were.

00:19:03.000 Obviously, he turned anti Donald Trump.

00:19:05.000 Listen, this is all horrible.

00:19:06.000 All immaterial.

00:19:07.000 This is, well, I'm just giving you a little bit of background here.

00:19:10.000 When people, they did the same thing with Charlie Kirk.

00:19:12.000 No.

00:19:14.000 One deranged individual killed Charlie Kirk.

00:19:17.000 Who was motivated by the same way as people on the left, then celebrated it and said horrible things on social media.

00:19:25.000 Name me one elected official that celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. 1.00

00:19:27.000 I didn't say elected officials, I just said a whole bunch of idiots. 1.00

00:19:30.000 Ocasio Cortez. 1.00

00:19:32.000 What did she say?

00:19:32.000 She went on the House floor and condemned Charlie Kirk right after he was murdered, saying he was hateful and should not be celebrated.

00:19:38.000 But let me clarify, because I know we'll have a semantic argument over the word celebrate.

00:19:42.000 My argument is that it's political suicide for a politician to say it's good they're dead.

00:19:47.000 The best thing a politician could do to disparage an individual who was just murdered is to go right after the man died and say as many awful things about him as you can, which espouses the ideology cited by Tyler Robbins in the alleged assassin as to why he did it.

00:20:00.000 So let me just stress this.

00:20:02.000 When the evidence of the assassination is from Tyler Robbins saying he spreads hate, and then after he dies, AOC goes up on stage and says, Yup, he did.

00:20:12.000 I understand we can go with the definition of celebrating as in jumping up and cheering.

00:20:17.000 I would argue that standing on Capitol Hill and espousing the message of the assassin.

00:20:22.000 Is how I would view them to celebrate.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, I don't see it that way.

00:20:25.000 But if you want to talk about people who say it's good he's dead, we can refer to what Donald Trump said about Robert Mueller just a few months ago.

00:20:31.000 I would also.

00:20:32.000 Oh, that was horrible.

00:20:32.000 So listen, what happened, I've been consistent on this.

00:20:35.000 You know this, Tim.

00:20:37.000 What happened to Charlie Kirk was awful.

00:20:39.000 I wouldn't wish that upon anybody.

00:20:41.000 And it's just horrible.

00:20:42.000 He didn't deserve that.

00:20:43.000 I did not like Charlie Kirk.

00:20:44.000 I've given you plenty of reasons why.

00:20:46.000 We cannot celebrate.

00:20:47.000 And by the way, to your statement, I said on the air the next day, anybody, I know people that lost their jobs because they were making inappropriate comments.

00:20:55.000 About what happened to Charlie Kirk.

00:20:57.000 They deserved it. 1.00

00:20:57.000 Stupid. 1.00

00:20:58.000 It's wrong. 1.00

00:21:00.000 But there is a difference between somebody on social media that has 20 followers that says some horrible things and the president of the United States or people in a higher power.

00:21:08.000 Do you remember what happened to Paul Pelosi?

00:21:10.000 Do you remember what Doug Jr. did?

00:21:11.000 Do you remember what Matt Gaetz did and Tim Cooner said?

00:21:14.000 As soon as Trump tweeted out, I'm glad he's dead, I criticized him on accident.

00:21:17.000 I know you did, Tim.

00:21:18.000 And I even invited John McCain.

00:21:20.000 If there's one politician I really didn't like, but let me just say this about AOC the worrying thing to me is when. 0.70

00:21:27.000 Someone, so you've got a bunch of trans identified individuals on social media posting something bad's going to happen to Charlie Kirk tomorrow.

00:21:34.000 There were like six or so accounts.

00:21:35.000 This is like just general mainstream reporting.

00:21:38.000 Tyler Robinson is the accused alleged assassin.

00:21:40.000 Some people don't believe he is.

00:21:41.000 According to the evidence, the reason he did it, he wrote in a message because he's spreading hate.

00:21:45.000 AOC espoused that message in Capitol Hill.

00:21:50.000 It's one thing for Trump to do something bad, like I'm glad he's dead, because I'm like, bro, I didn't like Mueller, but I just don't want to live in the world where we're all jumping out to clapping for death.

00:21:59.000 I don't think AOC was doing that.

00:22:00.000 This is where we disagree.

00:22:02.000 But she did say Charlie Kirk should not be celebrated.

00:22:05.000 He was spreading hate.

00:22:06.000 I don't think he should be celebrated.

00:22:08.000 But he was spreading hate.

00:22:09.000 He was not.

00:22:10.000 And the SPLC did the same thing.

00:22:12.000 Charlie Kirk was not spreading hate.

00:22:13.000 I disagree.

00:22:14.000 Well, you would be wrong because if you ever met the guy, like what they say about you, to the people in the comments saying you're hateful and you're bad, and I respond to all of them that if they met you and asked you to sit down for dinner, you would be nice to them.

00:22:27.000 I would, but I would ask people, what have I said that has been racist or misogynist?

00:22:31.000 What have I said that takes an entire group of people.

00:22:34.000 The way Charlie said it?

00:22:35.000 Well, I could go through a few things here, but I would say when it comes to Charlie, let's just start with the talk about the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King Jr.

00:22:45.000 He thought the civil rights movement was terrible for America.

00:22:48.000 Was that racist?

00:22:49.000 Well, first of all, if you look at what Martin Luther King accomplished and what he did for the African American community, I think most people would agree.

00:22:55.000 I understand that point.

00:22:57.000 Sure.

00:22:57.000 But Charlie Kirk disagreeing with a law is different from Charlie Kirk not liking a group of people.

00:23:01.000 Well, okay. 0.64

00:23:02.000 So if that's where it ended, I would probably agree with you.

00:23:05.000 But if we're going to talk about.

00:23:06.000 That's where it ends, right? 0.71

00:23:07.000 So when he said, when I get on a plane, if the pilot is black. 0.86

00:23:07.000 Okay. 0.86

00:23:11.000 Should I be worried?

00:23:13.000 Let's be very clear here.

00:23:14.000 I know he was talking about DEI, but let's be very clear here.

00:23:17.000 There is no evidence to suggest that if you're a black pilot, you have any less hours than somebody who's white.

00:23:22.000 And that was his point. 0.70

00:23:24.000 His point was.

00:23:25.000 Then why would you make that statement?

00:23:27.000 Because I would make that statement to make that point.

00:23:29.000 So when you get on a plane, you're worried if the.

00:23:31.000 No, no, no, because of DEI, you realize he was saying, because of DEI, we are putting unqualified people in positions where they need to be qualified.

00:23:40.000 And he's not okay with it.

00:23:41.000 And here's my point.

00:23:42.000 Neither would I be okay with it.

00:23:42.000 And here's my retort to that, and here's my evidence.

00:23:44.000 There is not. 0.88

00:23:46.000 A sliver of evidence that any black pilot, hold on, that any black pilots have less hours of training than a white pilot. 0.99

00:23:55.000 Oh, come on.

00:23:56.000 It's not true.

00:23:57.000 It's just that's, but again, again.

00:23:57.000 But hold on, hold on.

00:23:59.000 Specifically about a pilot.

00:24:01.000 Okay, okay, but that's a fine fact statement you'd like to make.

00:24:03.000 Yes.

00:24:03.000 As it pertains to Charlie Kirk, he was not disparaging black people.

00:24:06.000 His point was Democrats have instituted a policy that creates a perception among people that the black pilots are less qualified.

00:24:14.000 He doesn't want to think that way.

00:24:16.000 Well, for you to say, and I'm going to be honest.

00:24:18.000 I don't want people to treat me a certain way because of the color of my skin.

00:24:22.000 I don't want you to feel sorry for me or give me more opportunity because I'm black.

00:24:27.000 I would rather have the opportunities I have because I've made the decision to be there and sacrifice for it.

00:24:34.000 Great.

00:24:34.000 You don't care.

00:24:35.000 You care so much about what Charlie Kirk had to say.

00:24:39.000 I think if you work hard in the United States of America, I agree with you.

00:24:42.000 You should be able to make me agree.

00:24:43.000 So you agree with what Charlie Kirk said?

00:24:45.000 No, I probably disagree with almost everything that Charlie Kirk said.

00:24:49.000 Oh, you think transgender surgery should be illegal?

00:24:51.000 Yes. 0.99

00:24:52.000 Okay, well, I think that's insane.

00:24:53.000 That's not hateful.

00:24:54.000 A little cute. 0.97

00:24:55.000 He attacked transgenders 24 7. 1.00

00:24:57.000 That's different than saying that transgender surgery should be. 1.00

00:25:00.000 He thinks it's a mental illness. 0.73

00:25:01.000 He thinks everybody that's transgender is in the DSM V. It's in the DSM V. It needs to be, otherwise, I can't get prescription medication. 0.52

00:25:07.000 I think there's all sorts of reasons why people could be considered mentally ill. 0.75

00:25:10.000 Charlie Kirk.

00:25:11.000 The point ultimately is this.

00:25:13.000 If you sit down with Charlie Kirk and ask him, do you hate anybody?

00:25:15.000 No.

00:25:16.000 If you ask him, should people hate others?

00:25:18.000 He'd say, I hope they don't and no, they should not.

00:25:20.000 If you asked him, why do you want transgender surgery banned?

00:25:23.000 He would say, because I love these people.

00:25:25.000 And I want them to get the help that benefits them.

00:25:27.000 I disagree that this is the path towards helping them.

00:25:29.000 If you ask him about the pilot situation, he'd say, I don't hate black people.

00:25:34.000 I hate that they're creating a situation that creates that perception of black people. 0.92

00:25:37.000 Charlie Kirk famously kicked out white identitarians and white nationalists from the events that he would hold.

00:25:43.000 He would open public events, people could come up, and there's videos where a white nationalist would come up and say something, and he'd stand up and say, Get out.

00:25:49.000 And he got criticized for being liberal for doing so.

00:25:53.000 By all means, you can disagree with his fact positions, but the dude did not spread hate.

00:25:58.000 He would sit down with anybody and have dinner with you and shake your hand with a smile and ask you, How can I help you?

00:26:03.000 There's like a.

00:26:04.000 And to characterize disagreements as hate is a dishonest framing.

00:26:10.000 I don't think it's dishonest at all.

00:26:11.000 It's absolutely dishonest.

00:26:13.000 Because you're asserting that you know his internal thoughts, you're asserting that you can read his mind.

00:26:21.000 I don't think you have to read somebody's mind, for example, when somebody takes out a statue of Martin Luther King Jr. in the Oval Office.

00:26:30.000 I don't think you have to read it.

00:26:31.000 That's why it never happened.

00:26:32.000 Charlie Kirk didn't do that.

00:26:34.000 I was never talking about Charlie.

00:26:35.000 I know you're talking about Donald Trump, right?

00:26:36.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:26:37.000 Oh!

00:26:38.000 Get away from people's minds.

00:26:39.000 That did not happen.

00:26:40.000 I'm telling you, I don't think you have to read somebody's mind.

00:26:41.000 That did not happen.

00:26:42.000 He didn't take that out of the Oval Office?

00:26:44.000 This was a fake story that was published.

00:26:46.000 I'll pull it up for you.

00:26:47.000 Keep talking, but I'll pull it up for you.

00:26:48.000 Okay.

00:26:48.000 I mean, you know, look it up.

00:26:50.000 But listen, when you take an entire group of people and you generalize, which is what Charlie Kirk did with Jewish genders, for example.

00:26:58.000 Did Trump remove an MLK bust?

00:27:00.000 False.

00:27:00.000 That was a complete lie?

00:27:01.000 Yes.

00:27:02.000 Complete lie.

00:27:02.000 Okay, then I'm wrong.

00:27:03.000 Then I'm wrong.

00:27:04.000 But isn't it like, I know this is kind of derailing, but.

00:27:06.000 It is, it's mind blowing to me.

00:27:08.000 The media tried pulling this stuff on people.

00:27:10.000 Trump did not do that.

00:27:12.000 It's crazy.

00:27:13.000 They just ran a fake.

00:27:14.000 So it's still in the Oval Office?

00:27:15.000 Yes.

00:27:15.000 Is it still in the Oval Office?

00:27:16.000 And this is from 2017.

00:27:17.000 Well, right now, I don't want to assert what he's done since then.

00:27:21.000 My understanding is he took it out.

00:27:22.000 So maybe we can double check that.

00:27:24.000 I did.

00:27:25.000 It's been forever.

00:27:26.000 Well, that's 2017.

00:27:27.000 Do you have Martin Luther King picturing your house?

00:27:30.000 Are you comparing my house with a Martin Luther King statue to the Oval Office?

00:27:34.000 He really respects your house.

00:27:36.000 Listen, taking Martin Luther King Jr.'s bust out is not inherently racist.

00:27:41.000 And I don't care.

00:27:41.000 Okay.

00:27:42.000 I don't care.

00:27:43.000 How about you're asserting that it's inherently racist?

00:27:45.000 But hold on.

00:27:46.000 But like, it never even happened. 0.97

00:27:47.000 It's like, I agree.

00:27:49.000 I would want to figure out if you think that statue was.

00:27:52.000 That was a ploy to.

00:27:52.000 Okay, but wait, wait, wait.

00:27:53.000 Hold on.

00:27:54.000 That was to make black people frustrated. 1.00

00:27:55.000 It was.

00:27:56.000 Black people obviously valued black King Jr. 0.99

00:27:59.000 It was removed in 2025 as part of renovations and remodeling. 1.00

00:27:59.000 Go ahead. 1.00

00:28:02.000 So that's the point that I was trying to make.

00:28:02.000 There you go.

00:28:05.000 I don't think that was unintentional.

00:28:07.000 Okay.

00:28:07.000 And that's the story that I was referring to.

00:28:08.000 The story that you put up is back in 2017.

00:28:11.000 In 2025, he did take it out of the Oval Office.

00:28:15.000 And I find that a little bit problematic.

00:28:17.000 Now, it's not just one thing, Phil.

00:28:18.000 Why?

00:28:19.000 Why is it problematic?

00:28:20.000 Because I will give you a history of Donald Trump.

00:28:23.000 I'm asking why.

00:28:24.000 Just why is it problematic for the bust to not be in?

00:28:25.000 I'm asking the history of making statements that are consistent with the bust.

00:28:30.000 Tell me why the bust not being in the Oval Office is problematic.

00:28:30.000 Don't talk about Donald Trump.

00:28:35.000 Because of who did it and their history.

00:28:38.000 So if I did it, it wouldn't be problematic then.

00:28:40.000 If you had one example where you're talking about his work with the Rainbow Coalition in the 90s?

00:28:45.000 Really?

00:28:46.000 You want to talk about all the great things that Donald Trump has done for blacks?

00:28:48.000 People because I'm happy to go through that list with you. 0.88

00:28:50.000 Well, you're the one that's asserting that he's a racist.

00:28:52.000 Yeah, I do believe he is.

00:28:54.000 Let's talk about that. 0.94

00:28:55.000 If Donald Trump is a racist.

00:28:56.000 Wait, I want to pause real quick and just make something clear.

00:28:59.000 I don't know which story you were referring to about the bust being removed because it was a big story back in the start of Trump's first term.

00:29:06.000 I was referring to recently.

00:29:07.000 Right.

00:29:07.000 Or recently.

00:29:08.000 There was a recent story.

00:29:09.000 This story is that MLK got swapped for Churchill.

00:29:12.000 And then I was rebutting because they lied in the first term about the removal and it was a big deal that they lied.

00:29:17.000 And then.

00:29:19.000 Clarified, I don't actually know what they've done since then.

00:29:21.000 So then it turns out whichever one you were referring to was true.

00:29:24.000 Trump did remove it.

00:29:25.000 But I want to just make this clear.

00:29:27.000 You were talking about something before I interrupted you on the bust.

00:29:30.000 And now we've shifted onto a different subject.

00:29:33.000 I'll just say one thing real quick.

00:29:38.000 I don't know why that would bother you.

00:29:40.000 By the way, how about the thousands of discrimination lawsuits where Donald Trump didn't want black people living in his housing and now?

00:29:45.000 Evidence.

00:29:46.000 Evidence.

00:29:46.000 Yeah.

00:29:47.000 He actually paid them off.

00:29:48.000 Look it up.

00:29:49.000 I mean, I was in the White House last week and I felt pretty well.

00:29:49.000 Evidence.

00:29:49.000 Google it.

00:29:53.000 It's not like I didn't. 1.00

00:29:54.000 If Donald Trump is such a racist, he wouldn't have black people in the White House. 0.99

00:29:57.000 Trump walks up to the White House. 0.99

00:29:58.000 That's one of the whitest administrations he's ever had.

00:30:03.000 Oh, ever.

00:30:04.000 In the history of this country.

00:30:05.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:30:06.000 You said he's ever had, but you mean.

00:30:07.000 What I meant was in the history of the country.

00:30:09.000 Bro, I got to be honest.

00:30:10.000 I'm prepping a Tim Scott.

00:30:11.000 He didn't hire a Tim Scott, did he?

00:30:12.000 I'm pretty sure, like, the first hundred years of this country had substantially less black people in administration.

00:30:16.000 Are Jewish people white? 1.00

00:30:18.000 Oh, boy.

00:30:20.000 I don't know if that's.

00:30:20.000 I mean, apparently Slavic people are people of color.

00:30:23.000 I mean, I really don't care.

00:30:24.000 I don't really don't care what the color of the people in the administration are as long as they do their job right.

00:30:27.000 Why do you think that 93% of black women didn't vote for Trump and 80% of black men didn't vote for Trump?

00:30:27.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:30:34.000 Are they just misinformed?

00:30:35.000 For the same reason they had voted for George W. Bush? 0.99

00:30:37.000 Because the black culture has been manipulated. 0.95

00:30:38.000 What has Donald Trump done for Donald Trump? 1.00

00:30:39.000 Lyndon B. Johnson said, I'll have these.

00:30:41.000 I don't know if I can say. 0.94

00:30:42.000 Can I say N I G G A?

00:30:44.000 I think you're allowed to say whatever you want. 1.00

00:30:45.000 Lyndon B. Johnson said, I'll have these niggas voting Democrat for the next 200 years. 1.00

00:30:50.000 And he accomplished that. 1.00

00:30:51.000 Well, let's talk about accomplishments.

00:30:52.000 Yeah, let's talk about it.

00:30:53.000 Black people have voted Democrat for at least as long as I can remember.

00:30:59.000 And so now we're just manipulated into doing this thing.

00:31:02.000 And whenever you don't do that thing, you get a whipping.

00:31:05.000 Let's talk about accomplishments.

00:31:06.000 In the first year and a half of this administration, Donald Trump has given.

00:31:11.000 Which would you admit?

00:31:12.000 The most recent administration right now?

00:31:13.000 1% have received $100 billion in tax cuts.

00:31:17.000 Not enough.

00:31:18.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:31:19.000 It's not helping the black community. 0.98

00:31:21.000 It's not helping the black community. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Wait, wait, wait. 1.00

00:31:22.000 It's unrelated.

00:31:23.000 What is the job of the executive?

00:31:26.000 Is the job of the executive to provide benefits to different groups?

00:31:31.000 Handout.

00:31:32.000 The job of the executive is to enforce laws passed by Congress.

00:31:36.000 I understand that.

00:31:37.000 So then, what is it that you think Donald Trump should be doing for the black community?

00:31:37.000 But Donald Trump.

00:31:40.000 I'll tell you the first thing he shouldn't be doing giving the biggest tax breaks in the history of this country to the top one percent.

00:31:47.000 I'll tell you the best thing he should be doing.

00:31:49.000 That should be way larger. 0.99

00:31:50.000 This is a really simple response that has nothing to do with the black community. 0.98

00:31:53.000 If you want to make the point later on, but you guys are talking about the black community throwing in the tax thing is just a non sequitur. 0.83

00:31:58.000 Yeah. 0.77

00:31:58.000 Well, listen, what has he accomplished in the last year and a half that helped middle class America and people in this country that are struggling living paycheck to paycheck? 0.77

00:32:07.000 What has he accomplished?

00:32:08.000 Yeah, what policies?

00:32:09.000 Yeah, tell me.

00:32:11.000 What legislation?

00:32:11.000 So, how's that?

00:32:13.000 How has that helped?

00:32:13.000 So, I truly believe that the black community, because I know you're saying that he's made the black community suffer through welfare and all these things.

00:32:24.000 I think he's made America suffer, particularly people that are struggling living paycheck to paycheck while helping the biggest people in the world.

00:32:30.000 I mean, that's a large majority of America, though, that lives paycheck to paycheck.

00:32:33.000 I certainly agree with that. 1.00

00:32:34.000 That also includes black people.

00:32:36.000 And I would say that the people that have benefited the most from Donald Trump's economy.

00:32:39.000 Are the richest people in the world?

00:32:41.000 So, would you not say that people weren't living?

00:32:43.000 Would you not say it?

00:32:44.000 I'm kidding.

00:32:45.000 Listen, I know you're painting this narrative, but would you not say that the majority of America has lived paycheck to paycheck well before this president?

00:32:54.000 I'm a black man in America, grew up in Kansas City, in a lower income part of the country.

00:33:00.000 I don't come from wealth, I'm not wealthy.

00:33:03.000 I'm 30 years old, I've bought a house, I own a car, I own property, I've done things I've done good for myself.

00:33:08.000 And so, I don't think that Donald Trump had.

00:33:11.000 Anything to do with any of those things, nor did he make me worse.

00:33:15.000 Nor are the people that are poor right now poor because of Donald Trump.

00:33:19.000 I didn't say they're all poor because of Donald Trump.

00:33:21.000 I'm giving you stats.

00:33:22.000 Where's inflation at right now?

00:33:24.000 Where was it when Donald Trump?

00:33:25.000 I love inflation.

00:33:25.000 No, no, no.

00:33:26.000 Okay.

00:33:26.000 I love inflation.

00:33:27.000 That's what Donald Trump said.

00:33:28.000 So let me just give you an update on inflation.

00:33:30.000 Maybe it doesn't affect you, but it affects most people.

00:33:32.000 I mean, I know how much gas costs.

00:33:33.000 It's over 4%.

00:33:34.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 Well, we could talk about gas as well.

00:33:36.000 Well, actually, let me preface this.

00:33:38.000 We got the story from NBC News.

00:33:40.000 Trump says, I love the inflation as annual rate jumps to a three year high.

00:33:40.000 Yeah.

00:33:44.000 The president suggested the recent numbers mean there will be a bigger decline in inflation once the war in Iran is over, which is his quote. 1.00

00:33:51.000 The numbers were great.

00:33:52.000 You know what I really love?

00:33:53.000 You know why?

00:33:53.000 I love the inflation.

00:33:54.000 Because as soon as this war is over, when the war is over, it's coming down.

00:33:57.000 It's coming down like a rock, he said.

00:33:59.000 Let me just give a quick comment on this as to my thoughts, and then we'll jump back into the debate.

00:34:03.000 The first thing I think is that Trump doesn't really have an answer to it at all.

00:34:06.000 So he's just putting a positive spin on something that's objectively bad.

00:34:10.000 However, I think the Republican Party is actually betting on a manipulation for the midterms where they drag this war out, whether intentionally or because it's happening.

00:34:19.000 Gas prices go up, inflation goes up, people have a hard go at things.

00:34:24.000 Right before the midterms, war stops, inflation comes down, and Your feelings on the economy are relative.

00:34:34.000 I believe there is a potential.

00:34:36.000 The GOP is banking on turning the heat all the way up so people are burning.

00:34:41.000 Then, when you turn the heat down, they feel like you've cooled them off.

00:34:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:34:46.000 It's like when it's really hot out and you go to the covers and then take it off, you feel cold.

00:34:50.000 I understand what you're saying, Tim, but I don't think this war was very thought out.

00:34:54.000 I don't think Donald Trump and Pete Hegset thought that it'd be this difficult.

00:34:58.000 And because of that, as we were just talking about inflation, which I think was up 0.6% last month, which affected Everybody, including black people.

00:35:05.000 The same thing with the gas prices right now, which are almost double what they were when Donald Trump first took office.

00:35:12.000 If you look at pretty much every metric when it comes to the economy right now, things are worse off now than they were.

00:35:17.000 And here's the difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

00:35:20.000 When Joe Biden took office, there's a lot of bruises, but since Joe Biden took office, we were in the middle of a global pandemic.

00:35:26.000 Okay, that wasn't Joe Biden's decision to take over during a global pandemic.

00:35:30.000 Also, we remember when Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine.

00:35:34.000 Okay, that was not Joe Biden's decision.

00:35:37.000 Donald Trump made the decision to go to war in Iran.

00:35:39.000 Ten months ago, Gabbard.

00:35:41.000 Because they were persecuting the Iranians.

00:35:43.000 I thought we obliterated them eight months ago.

00:35:45.000 What happened?

00:35:45.000 Didn't Tulsi Gabbard, under oath, say that?

00:35:49.000 I guess terrible people are good at hiding themselves in their account.

00:35:51.000 Oh, that must be what happened.

00:35:52.000 That's what's been happening.

00:35:53.000 So answer this for me Was Tulsi Gabbard lying when she was under oath and she said that she had no reason to believe, based on her own intelligence, that they were trying to further their nuclear capabilities?

00:36:01.000 Was Tulsi Gabbard lying?

00:36:03.000 And then a month later, we bombed them, and then the Trump administration says, We obliterated them.

00:36:07.000 And then all of a sudden, eight months later, all of a sudden, we need to obliterate them again. 0.98

00:36:11.000 They don't know what the hell they're doing in Iran. 1.00

00:36:13.000 I got to pause you there.

00:36:14.000 What happens all of a sudden when people that are bad people hide themselves and hide their plans from people that are not doing anything wrong and then go and then attack them?

00:36:23.000 That's what happens on October 7th, isn't it?

00:36:25.000 Just to your point, we said they don't know what they're doing.

00:36:27.000 I actually think what you described shows they actually do know what they're doing.

00:36:29.000 There's an intended condition.

00:36:31.000 So can you name me one sanction that Iran has given up?

00:36:35.000 What does that have to do with what I said?

00:36:36.000 Well, we're talking about the war in Iran. 0.58

00:36:38.000 You're making the case, which I tend to disagree with you on because we've heard for 30 or 40 years about the threat that Iran is to the United States. 0.60

00:36:45.000 Here's what I think happened. 0.92

00:36:46.000 I have a strong position that what we're seeing, the first thing I'll say is that in any chess game, or, and you know this in poker, the.

00:36:54.000 Poker, what's that?

00:36:56.000 The moves you're going to make, it's not singular.

00:36:58.000 So if you're looking at the chessboard and you're thinking, if I move my pawn, you're not thinking, if I move my pawn, then I will move my knight.

00:37:06.000 You're thinking, if I move my pawn, And he moves his bishop, I move my knight.

00:37:09.000 If I move his pawn and he moves his queen, I move my pawn.

00:37:12.000 So when I look at it, so I think it's important to understand that we're looking at contingencies upon a plan.

00:37:16.000 Based on the fact that there have been multiple moves against Iran and the broader position, I can get into the whole thing.

00:37:23.000 I pulled up the earth on this one.

00:37:24.000 I have a very strong position on the plans that Hegzeth, Trump, and the administration have been doing.

00:37:28.000 I think it extends beyond the Trump administration, includes other elements of U.S. intelligence.

00:37:33.000 I firmly believe Trump is intentionally prolonging this war for a variety of reasons.

00:37:38.000 And, um, I actually think if you have a political argument against Trump, you can absolutely jump on board with this one because, yes, I believe Trump's intentionally inflaming this war, which is driving up gas prices, making things worse for the American people.

00:37:50.000 I believe there is a plan as to why they're doing it.

00:37:52.000 The principle and very simple issue, we can get a larger discussion is China gets about 40 to 50% of its oil from the Strait of Hormuz.

00:37:59.000 I believe one factor of this is Trump saying, we're going to start a fever.

00:38:04.000 China's going to hurt more than we hurt.

00:38:06.000 Everybody hurts, but we hurt less.

00:38:08.000 I think that's why Trump keeps yo yo ing this we got a peace deal.

00:38:12.000 No, we don't.

00:38:12.000 We got a peace deal.

00:38:13.000 No, we don't.

00:38:14.000 Because he doesn't want the Strait open.

00:38:17.000 But he can't tell the American people I'm intentionally screwing you on gas prices.

00:38:20.000 Well, Tim, I understand what you're saying.

00:38:23.000 Here's what I think, and I disagree.

00:38:25.000 I think that Benjamin Netanyahu, we know this for sure, pressured Barack Obama to do this a long time ago.

00:38:31.000 I think Benjamin Netanyahu pressured Joe Biden.

00:38:34.000 They didn't budge.

00:38:35.000 Donald Trump budged. 0.99

00:38:36.000 He is a pawn and a puppet to Israel and the Israeli government. 0.99

00:38:41.000 That is my personal opinion.

00:38:42.000 Every time somebody goes on and says Israel is controlling everything, because that's the narrative.

00:38:46.000 They say they're controlling everything.

00:38:47.000 They're saying that the president of the United States is a pawn to Israel.

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:51.000 How much money have we given?

00:38:51.000 Have you seen this happen?

00:38:52.000 We gave them money under every administration.

00:38:54.000 Did you see what happened on October 7th?

00:38:56.000 So let me answer my question.

00:38:57.000 Of course, I did.

00:38:58.000 That has nothing to do with it.

00:38:59.000 So, do you think that that would happen in America right now?

00:39:01.000 That has nothing to do with it.

00:39:03.000 No, it does.

00:39:05.000 It has a lot to do with this. 0.95

00:39:06.000 Because radical Islam exists in Iran, which is the reason why America is present there now. 0.94

00:39:13.000 Because these people are being decimated, not by people that are sane, but by radical Islam. 0.96

00:39:18.000 So, we went to war in Iran because of what happened with Hamas in October. 0.94

00:39:22.000 Is that what you're saying? 0.96

00:39:23.000 They all have the same ideology, is what I'm saying.

00:39:25.000 So, if they have the same ideology, we should go to war.

00:39:27.000 No, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying their actions behind their ideology.

00:39:30.000 It's the ideology of Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong un.

00:39:33.000 Should we go to war with that?

00:39:34.000 I haven't seen the video of October 7th.

00:39:37.000 I was just in the embassy.

00:39:38.000 I was just in his room talking about radical ideology.

00:39:40.000 If your assumption is at him.

00:39:43.000 Okay, so let's talk about radical ideology.

00:39:43.000 Radical.

00:39:45.000 Well, the issue is your. 0.99

00:39:47.000 We got rid of the Ayatollah, right? 1.00

00:39:48.000 We got rid of the Ayatollah, which is a good thing. 1.00

00:39:50.000 I think we both could agree on that, right? 1.00

00:39:51.000 The Ayatollah is dead.

00:39:53.000 But now we have another regime.

00:39:54.000 And Donald Trump has said they're less radical and smarter.

00:39:57.000 At least he said that a month ago.

00:39:59.000 Can you please explain to me how this new regime.

00:40:02.000 Is less radical and they all still will chant death to America.

00:40:06.000 Thank you.

00:40:07.000 We need to talk, maybe we need to talk about that to the president.

00:40:10.000 I agree.

00:40:11.000 There's a through line, and I had this debate with Myron Gaines, and I felt like, geez, my buddy.

00:40:16.000 Well, he agrees with you.

00:40:18.000 That's why I bring him up.

00:40:20.000 You know, when it comes to debating, I had this, there's a buddy of mine at the poker tables, and he came up to me abruptly and he said, Tim, did you know that 38 million people died due to American sanctions abroad in the past 100 years?

00:40:34.000 I believe that statement. 0.84

00:40:36.000 Should define America as an evil empire.

00:40:38.000 And my response is, if that's how you feel. 0.64

00:40:40.000 My only counter is, I believe that when you look at the Soviet Union, the Chinese Communist Party, and the people they killed, we could conclude based on your feeling all empires are evil because they all do it. 0.70

00:40:51.000 And he said, okay. 0.79

00:40:53.000 My point here is, if you, like Myron says, I think Israel made us do this war, it's for Netanyahu. 0.59

00:40:59.000 I'm not going to change his personal assessment on this. 0.67

00:41:01.000 However, I do think that I can provide a through line which provides greater evidence as to the contrary that I feel Myron.

00:41:09.000 Did not assess, just ignored.

00:41:11.000 And I'll give it to you real quick right now.

00:41:13.000 Donald Trump, one of the first things, and I hate saying Trump because this is the US administration, which probably has overlap through intelligence agencies, even going back to Biden, Trump's first term, and even Obama.

00:41:23.000 One of the first things he did was they started blowing up drug boats in the Caribbean.

00:41:28.000 And the question is, why?

00:41:29.000 They said, oh, they're narco terrorists.

00:41:30.000 It's not really a good reason.

00:41:32.000 Well, after this, we get a few other actions.

00:41:34.000 We get the, let's just say, the re seizing of Panama.

00:41:40.000 We get the attempts at taking the attempts at Greenland for the Northwest Passage, and we get Houthi issues in the Red Sea, global trade protections. 0.52

00:41:50.000 The bombing of the narco traffickers in the Caribbean leads into the capture of Maduro and the seizure of U.S. and Venezuelan oil assets.

00:42:00.000 What the bombing of the drug boats does is open up traffic lanes from the Gulf, where we've begun exporting oil more than the United States has ever done since World War II.

00:42:09.000 And we've become the dominant oil exporter now that OPEC has been smashed with the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:42:14.000 So Trump secures the trade routes.

00:42:16.000 He secures the largest oil producer in the world, eliminates the criminal threats to the Gulf for U.S. oil exporting. 0.67

00:42:23.000 Then Sends an armada to the Strait of Hormuz, which while there, Israel, I agree, does announce to the U.S., we're going to engage in an attack on Iran, and the U.S. joins in. 0.72

00:42:33.000 However, the armada was already there. 0.85

00:42:35.000 Now we're dealing with Trump's yo yoing, where he keeps saying there's a deal, psych, there's a deal, psych, and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, which inadvertently has knocked, I think, was it the Emirates have dropped out of OPEC, 20% of trade from our principal competitors cut off from the world, and China, who was supposed to overtake the U.S. in 2027, 10 years ago, being pushed back 10 years, just got Half of their energy imports cut off as the Strait of Hormuz has remained closed.

00:43:02.000 I do not believe that after Trump wiped out the top 50 leadership in Iran, they are actually worried at all.

00:43:09.000 I think Trump intentionally wants a straight closed.

00:43:11.000 I think he doesn't want to tell the American people we're choking you on gas prices to make the U.S. the dominant oil exporter and reframe global energy.

00:43:19.000 I think there's a reason people like Candace Owens are going and cutting deals or whatever it is she's doing, like cutting us under visa so that, you know, I shouldn't say like that.

00:43:27.000 But she's going and.

00:43:27.000 I want to be biased.

00:43:29.000 What's wrong?

00:43:29.000 You don't like Candace Owens?

00:43:30.000 Well, I don't. 1.00

00:43:30.000 But she's going to Russia. 1.00

00:43:32.000 I believe that Trump is reframing global energy around the West.

00:43:37.000 And I believe that the state of Hormuz is intentionally closed by the Trump administration, but they don't want to admit it.

00:43:42.000 And I would add, when Trump bombed the water reservoirs, he shows one, he always had the willingness and capability to take out civilian infrastructure, which would end the war overnight if he wanted to.

00:43:52.000 He's not.

00:43:54.000 He keeps yo yoing.

00:43:55.000 If the U.S. wanted to, they could do one of two things they could eliminate civilian infrastructure, ending the war overnight, or they could leave.

00:44:02.000 And they have not.

00:44:03.000 My only conclusion is then, based off everything we've seen from the start of Trump's administration, there is a plan to make the West, to make the United States and the Gulf, particularly the principal oil exporter.

00:44:13.000 And the Strait of Hormuz needs to be shut down for that.

00:44:15.000 I guess we will see.

00:44:16.000 But going back to the start of this war, last I checked when Donald Trump ran for office, he said that he would be a peace president.

00:44:24.000 He wouldn't be starting any new wars.

00:44:26.000 There'd be no new regime change.

00:44:28.000 So I guess my question to you is was he lying?

00:44:31.000 A lot of politicians say a lot of things.

00:44:33.000 Was he lying?

00:44:33.000 There were two.

00:44:34.000 Was he lying?

00:44:35.000 I'm not going to say he was lying.

00:44:37.000 Did he end the war in 24 hours in Ukraine?

00:44:41.000 Did he do that?

00:44:42.000 I would say, obviously, it's going to fall to Republicans and say Trump wasn't lying, but circumstances change.

00:44:42.000 Didn't he say it?

00:44:48.000 Liberals will just say he was lying.

00:44:49.000 He said he was going to lower prices on day one, right?

00:44:51.000 In the supermarket.

00:44:53.000 But so the important thing to understand is it's a question of do you hate Donald Trump?

00:44:57.000 I think the question is are you doing what you said you were going to do?

00:45:00.000 And I'm not saying every politician.

00:45:02.000 My point is on the accusation of a lie.

00:45:05.000 And I'm telling you, Trump's.

00:45:06.000 You said that though, right?

00:45:07.000 I'm not making that up.

00:45:08.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 You're correct.

00:45:09.000 Trump said he would end the war in 24 hours.

00:45:10.000 Right.

00:45:11.000 He said no new wars.

00:45:13.000 He said he.

00:45:13.000 War prices on day one.

00:45:14.000 He said he wasn't going to bomb Yemen. 1.00

00:45:15.000 Correct.

00:45:16.000 So Trump supporters will say circumstances changed.

00:45:20.000 He was wrong.

00:45:21.000 Liberals will say he was lying the whole time.

00:45:24.000 Then when he says.

00:45:24.000 Trying to read Trump's mind to figure out which it might be, it's going to be up to you.

00:45:28.000 So when he says the war's over and then the next day he's like, sorry, the war's back on.

00:45:32.000 The war's over and then Israel attacks Lebanon and he's like, I think he's lying.

00:45:35.000 Is he lying? 0.58

00:45:36.000 And I'm okay with.

00:45:36.000 You think he's just.

00:45:37.000 People lying, especially your deceiver in chief.

00:45:39.000 You need that guy to be subterfugal to betray the world so that we don't lose.

00:45:44.000 It's sad when he lies to the populace, but it's part of the job. 0.99

00:45:47.000 Let me say this.

00:45:48.000 I think Trump is lying about the war for the stated reasons.

00:45:51.000 He wants the strait closed to choke out China.

00:45:54.000 And what if you're wrong?

00:45:56.000 That Trump is lying?

00:45:57.000 No, what if you're wrong about.

00:45:58.000 Because there's a chance you might be right, but you also might be wrong, and you might be giving Trump a little bit too much credit, and maybe.

00:46:05.000 But again, it's not Trump.

00:46:06.000 Administration.

00:46:06.000 And this is the important thing.

00:46:07.000 Pete Heggs.

00:46:08.000 But I actually think it extends beyond this administration because a lot of the infrastructure for this is during Biden as well.

00:46:14.000 I believe there's elements of the U.S. intelligence agencies as well as the military that have contingencies for these, one of which was.

00:46:22.000 I think it was Biden's first year, we started moving weapon production for desert theater to ocean theater, to Pacific, and which now we're seeing naval combat.

00:46:33.000 I would not be surprised if this cross administrations, there were plans for this.

00:46:37.000 What I will say is my analysis of what happened, leaning to this point, is not wrong.

00:46:42.000 Let me clarify.

00:46:44.000 If the news we get in aggregate is correct, that's the positions that I've laid out.

00:46:50.000 Taking out the criminal boats. 0.67

00:46:53.000 Clearing the path for exporting the Gulf, exporting more oil to the Gulf, real quick, securing the trade routes, and then shutting the Strait of Hormuz.

00:47:01.000 All of those things did happen.

00:47:02.000 China being cut off from half their energy imports did happen.

00:47:05.000 Emirates dropping from OPEC did happen.

00:47:07.000 Now, from that, I extrapolate, I believe this is the intended condition, which may not be the case, in which case, I would argue Trump slipped on a banana peel and pulled off a perfect backflip.

00:47:17.000 Let's just say you're right for a moment for argument's sake, okay?

00:47:20.000 I do find it interesting when all the Doe's stuff came up, and I don't know if you guys received your $5,000 Doe's checks.

00:47:25.000 I never received mine.

00:47:27.000 That hurts everyone.

00:47:27.000 You didn't?

00:47:28.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:47:28.000 No, I didn't.

00:47:29.000 I'd use that in the World Series of Poker if I had it, Tim.

00:47:33.000 But it is interesting when we start a new war, we can just print money.

00:47:37.000 Republicans can just print money.

00:47:39.000 This war is costing us close to $2 billion a day.

00:47:41.000 But yet, you know, we're cutting Medicare, you know, Medicaid coverage.

00:47:45.000 And, you know, listen, all these government programs, we've got to cut, cut, wasteful spending, cut, cut, cut.

00:47:51.000 This is not a room that's going to get mad about those statements, right?

00:47:55.000 Nobody here wants the war, you know what I mean?

00:47:56.000 But $2 billion a day, Tim, think about what we can do with this money to help.

00:48:00.000 People, everybody.

00:48:02.000 We could fix the reflecting pool a hundred times.

00:48:05.000 You know, they spent, I think, $7 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan over a decade or 15 years, $7 to $10 trillion.

00:48:11.000 And you've got to ask, you've got to think opportunity cost because, yeah, we could have put that $10 trillion domestically, but if we don't control the Suez Canal and we lose access to global oil shipping and protection and control, that might cost us more than $10 trillion. 0.66

00:48:24.000 And what about all the heroin that we were losing when the Taliban stopped the poppy fish?

00:48:28.000 Massive amounts of opiates came out of Afghanistan after we conquered and. 0.88

00:48:32.000 So that's what they're doing is like opportunity cost calculations. 0.99

00:48:32.000 Occupied the place. 0.99

00:48:35.000 It is $2 billion a day, but what if we secure global trade?

00:48:39.000 Listen, I.

00:48:40.000 It's an investment. 0.99

00:48:40.000 We kill a couple million people over here. 0.99

00:48:43.000 You guys, you're younger. 0.99

00:48:44.000 I'm an old guy.

00:48:45.000 You're younger than me.

00:48:46.000 But going back to the war in Iraq, at least the one with George W. Bush, when we were all lied to and we were told weapons of mass destruction, we're still paying off that war.

00:48:54.000 The thousands of innocent American soldiers that we lost, the tens of thousands of innocent people that died, and we were all lied to.

00:49:02.000 But at least George W. Bush got a vote.

00:49:04.000 Okay, at least he went to Congress.

00:49:06.000 Donald Trump didn't even do that.

00:49:10.000 Tim, you could be right.

00:49:11.000 I respectfully disagree with you.

00:49:13.000 I think we're giving the administration a little bit too much credit.

00:49:16.000 Tell me why you think I'm wrong.

00:49:18.000 Here's what I think I told you.

00:49:20.000 I believe that Benjamin Netanyahu has played Donald Trump like a puppet.

00:49:24.000 Hold on, let me just quickly finish here.

00:49:24.000 You know why?

00:49:27.000 The two people that have benefited the most from this war right now, and you guys could tell me if you disagree.

00:49:33.000 Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin.

00:49:35.000 Look at all the money that Russia, huh?

00:49:38.000 I would actually argue the United States, Netanyahu, as well as Putin.

00:49:45.000 I would also argue that.

00:49:47.000 Saudi Arabia. 1.00

00:49:48.000 A lot of these AIs.

00:49:48.000 I think you can make that argument too.

00:49:50.000 But look at the people that have benefited. 0.94

00:49:51.000 Benjamin Netanyahu's not a dumb guy.

00:49:53.000 He knows that he wants this war to be as long as possible. 0.82

00:49:57.000 It benefits him. 0.98

00:49:59.000 Now, if somebody could show me actual real evidence that Iran was an imminent threat, which is what Pete Hegseth's language used, the United States of America, I'm all over this. 0.89

00:50:08.000 Now, let me address that.

00:50:09.000 I never said that.

00:50:10.000 I don't think he did, but Pete Hegseth did.

00:50:12.000 Agreed.

00:50:13.000 I think this war is about shutting down, it's reframing global energy. 0.51

00:50:18.000 And what I would add when you said, Benjamin Netanyahu pressured the United States.

00:50:23.000 The Armada was already there before those strikes.

00:50:26.000 So, why did the U.S. send an Armada to the Strait of Hormuz before Israel decided to strike it?

00:50:31.000 It's like gunboat diplomacy.

00:50:33.000 It's a hundred years ago.

00:50:34.000 So, I don't know the answer to that, but here's what I will say Pete Hegseth a few weeks ago held a press conference about the Strait of Hormuz, and he made the statement and celebrated it, really.

00:50:34.000 I'm curious.

00:50:45.000 We blockaded the blockade.

00:50:47.000 The Strait of Hormuz was open three months ago.

00:50:49.000 They want it closed.

00:50:50.000 Okay, perhaps.

00:50:52.000 Time will tell, Tim.

00:50:53.000 Perhaps you could be right.

00:50:54.000 I'm not saying you're wrong.

00:50:56.000 I just think maybe, and this is maybe where we disagree, I think you're giving this administration a little bit too much credit.

00:51:02.000 I think this has been a disaster.

00:51:04.000 I think it continues to be a disaster.

00:51:05.000 That's a different question.

00:51:06.000 Anything that's short of Donald Trump in prison, you would say is a disaster.

00:51:10.000 Okay, wait, wait.

00:51:11.000 Come on, Phil, Phil.

00:51:12.000 But that's immaterial to the conversation about the straight-of-war moves in Iran. 0.66

00:51:16.000 Whether or not this is a disaster does not change what I've said, nor does it counter any argument I've made. 0.78

00:51:21.000 I got a point made.

00:51:22.000 And what if you're wrong?

00:51:22.000 Well, time will tell.

00:51:23.000 No, no, no, no.

00:51:24.000 Hold on. 0.92

00:51:25.000 We did get rid of the criminals in the Gulf, opening up trade lanes. 0.91

00:51:27.000 We did secure Panama. 0.98

00:51:29.000 We are working on securing Greenland.

00:51:30.000 We are exporting more oil from the Gulf.

00:51:32.000 We did take Venezuela.

00:51:33.000 What were the reasons why he said we went to war?

00:51:35.000 First, we were.

00:51:36.000 Hold on, let me finish.

00:51:37.000 I'm telling you about things that we did are done, not a question of my opinion. 0.99

00:51:41.000 We sent an armada to Iran.

00:51:43.000 We shut down the Strait of Hormuz through our actions. 0.93

00:51:46.000 China is cut off from their energy. 0.99

00:51:48.000 We've recentered oil production.

00:51:49.000 Those things happened. 0.77

00:51:50.000 Now, Hegzeth celebrated the blockade of the blockade. 0.94

00:51:54.000 The only. 0.98

00:51:56.000 Logical conclusion one could come to is they intentionally want this closed and they are liars.

00:52:00.000 Okay, perhaps.

00:52:01.000 I can only go by what they've told us.

00:52:03.000 First, we were told civilians need to rise up.

00:52:06.000 Then we were told regime change.

00:52:10.000 In order to really get the regime change that you need, you have to put boots on the ground.

00:52:14.000 Let's be honest there.

00:52:15.000 You know, I thought the whole catastrophe, and this is sort of a separate subject in regards to the war, but the 175 school children that were killed.

00:52:23.000 As you know, Iran does not have Tomahawk missiles. 0.87

00:52:26.000 They lied.

00:52:27.000 Donald Trump lied once again.

00:52:29.000 There's only a few countries in the world that have Tomahawk missiles.

00:52:31.000 We happen to be one of them.

00:52:35.000 They still have not taken responsibility for 175 plus school children that were killed.

00:52:43.000 I find that to be extremely problematic.

00:52:44.000 But again, that's not arguing my argument.

00:52:47.000 We were told civilians rise up.

00:52:48.000 We were told numerous people rise up.

00:52:50.000 My argument is they are liars the whole time.

00:52:53.000 That doesn't bother you? 0.60

00:52:54.000 Of course it does.

00:52:55.000 This is the administration you voted for.

00:52:57.000 You voted for Trump.

00:52:58.000 Agreed.

00:52:59.000 But this is, again, listen, moral arguments, success arguments are not the point I am making.

00:53:04.000 Lying about a war is that they agreed.

00:53:07.000 They are lying about this.

00:53:08.000 They want to recenter global energy around the United States.

00:53:11.000 I think what they want to do is.

00:53:12.000 That's why I said there's no reason why you couldn't agree with me on this.

00:53:17.000 If they don't accomplish that, then what do you say, Tim?

00:53:19.000 What do you say on this show if they don't accomplish that?

00:53:21.000 They started a war, they failed.

00:53:22.000 That's what I say on this show.

00:53:23.000 And how long do you want this war to take before we can make it so?

00:53:26.000 The war should never have begun in the first place.

00:53:27.000 I understand, but now we're in it, so it's too late.

00:53:29.000 You're over yesterday.

00:53:30.000 How long do you think this war needs to take now?

00:53:34.000 In order for you to say they failed, did they already fail?

00:53:38.000 That's an impossible question.

00:53:39.000 I want to get your thoughts on that.

00:53:41.000 No, no, no, but that's an impossible question.

00:53:41.000 How long?

00:53:43.000 The criteria for failure will be assessed well.

00:53:46.000 Like, if right now Trump says, so I'll put it this way based on what we have seen, they've got granular success.

00:53:57.000 China, again, has for months been cut off from 40 to 50% of their imports and are straining reserves.

00:54:03.000 Granted, Russia has benefited because Russia's been able to increase output.

00:54:06.000 However, at the same time, Russia's recentered their economy around the war, industrializing for that war, so they can't maximize this position.

00:54:14.000 If Trump said, we are removing the armada, We are disengaging 100%.

00:54:21.000 He has already gained, like, we have already become one of the largest oil exporters in the world, if not the largest.

00:54:27.000 And we've already been, I think, we are now exporting more oil than we ever have since World War II.

00:54:34.000 That, I believe, is a stated condition.

00:54:36.000 Apparently, he just bragged that we're stealing oil from Iran. 1.00

00:54:38.000 Agreed.

00:54:39.000 He just said that.

00:54:39.000 And then he said, We're going to, and then he posted, We're going to invade and steal their oil assets.

00:54:44.000 But going in a circular motion here quickly to what we were talking about earlier Iran does have TAMOX. 0.92

00:54:49.000 Regardless of whether Tim is right or wrong here, he might be right.

00:54:53.000 But everybody in this country, for the most part, no matter what the color of your skin is or whether you're Republican or Democrat, are hurting because of this war, for the most part.

00:55:02.000 We're talking about gas prices.

00:55:03.000 120 bucks it cost me to fill my gas tank in Las Vegas.

00:55:06.000 You go to the supermarket. 0.98

00:55:08.000 The problem is, I don't care what the color of your skin is.

00:55:10.000 I don't care whether you're a Republican or a Democrat.

00:55:12.000 There are people in this country that are having to make a decision do I fill up my gas tank today or am I able to put food on the table for my family?

00:55:19.000 That's bad for America, no matter what the color of your skin is or who you are.

00:55:22.000 Did you see that? 0.92

00:55:23.000 Iran has, real quick, just a fact check. 0.98

00:55:25.000 Iran doesn't have. 1.00

00:55:25.000 Well, yeah, of course. 1.00

00:55:26.000 Tomahawks because Tomahawks are U.S. missiles, but they do have comparable missiles called SOMARS.

00:55:31.000 I understand, but it was a Tomahawk missile.

00:55:32.000 Then even Pete Hegseth admitted that was the strike there.

00:55:36.000 He admitted that.

00:55:36.000 He didn't say it was us, but he admitted it.

00:55:38.000 You can look that up.

00:55:39.000 So if it's a Tomahawk missile, Donald Trump's first reaction was blaming Iran.

00:55:44.000 Okay. 0.86

00:55:44.000 No, they did it. 0.86

00:55:45.000 They still haven't taken responsibility.

00:55:47.000 Iran has never used Tomahawk missiles. 0.99

00:55:49.000 Correct.

00:55:50.000 That was my point.

00:55:51.000 That's what I said.

00:55:52.000 But when did it happen?

00:55:53.000 Look up when Donald Trump claimed and blamed Iran.

00:55:57.000 This was days after the strike.

00:55:58.000 You're talking about the school.

00:56:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:00.000 Yes, correct.

00:56:01.000 That was my.

00:56:02.000 I thought you were talking about the base that happened.

00:56:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:56:04.000 So obviously, that's a horrible mistake.

00:56:07.000 We all could agree on that.

00:56:08.000 I don't think America did that intentionally.

00:56:11.000 However, don't blame Iran when you know it was us that did it intentionally or not.

00:56:17.000 My view on a lot of these things is, you know, from 60,000 feet.

00:56:22.000 I don't look at it.

00:56:23.000 You know, I was watching this debate with Dean Parker and then two conservatives.

00:56:27.000 I didn't know you watched Dean and Parker.

00:56:29.000 Well, it was Jubilee.

00:56:29.000 They'll be happy to hear it.

00:56:31.000 Oh, okay.

00:56:32.000 Okay.

00:56:33.000 Uh, And the question was that Donald Trump falling asleep raises serious questions about his health.

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:37.000 Okay.

00:56:38.000 And everybody, three of them agreed.

00:56:41.000 One conservative agreed.

00:56:42.000 And one conservative guy said to Dean, when it came to Joe Biden, what, you know, you said this.

00:56:48.000 And Dean starts laughing and says, the prompt is literally about Trump.

00:56:51.000 Why would you bring up Joe Biden?

00:56:53.000 Can we agree we're not talking about Joe Biden?

00:56:55.000 And the conservative said, okay, because conservatives are really bad at framing.

00:56:59.000 My response is, Dean, because you.

00:57:03.000 Had a principled position on the health of a president, and you have now changed it.

00:57:07.000 I'm asking you what changed.

00:57:08.000 My point is, you bring up a lot of points about collateral damage, problems, war in Iran.

00:57:12.000 I view this holistically from all the presidential administrations I've seen weighed against each other.

00:57:18.000 There's a through line through all of them that is very, very bad, which is why I have generally opposed all of them.

00:57:23.000 The points that I'm bringing up are not questions of morality or end results.

00:57:31.000 It's a question of what we have seen thus far and what appears to be the most probabilistic, and that.

00:57:36.000 Pete Haggins and the Trump administration have been lying to us the whole time, as every administration has lied during war.

00:57:40.000 They seem to have clear goals based on what they're doing.

00:57:43.000 Some people might support those goals.

00:57:45.000 Some people might not.

00:57:46.000 That is what I think is what's happening.

00:57:47.000 It's important to be consistent.

00:57:49.000 And I know we're not really talking about Donald Trump's health, but I do want to bring that up.

00:57:53.000 Listen, there's no question Joe Biden's health deteriorated.

00:57:56.000 That debate was an absolute disgrace.

00:57:58.000 You get a stroke.

00:57:59.000 And then Jill Biden speaking about, I thought my husband had a stroke.

00:58:03.000 Listen, I'll always be upset at Joe Biden and his legacy.

00:58:06.000 I don't think he's a bad man.

00:58:08.000 I thought he was a decent president, but he should have stepped down much sooner.

00:58:11.000 And it was, uh, It was bad for the country.

00:58:14.000 Now, going back to Donald Trump, because you had just really kind of chuckled a little bit.

00:58:19.000 So, Donald Trump has rashes on his neck. 0.88

00:58:22.000 His tips of his fingers are black. 0.91

00:58:24.000 His skin looks like it's escaping from his body.

00:58:27.000 And the excuse from the Trump administration was he's shaking too many hands.

00:58:31.000 He had an MRI six months ago.

00:58:34.000 Any physician will tell you you don't just get an MRI as just a normal physical check.

00:58:39.000 So, if we want to talk about his cankles, it looks like he's wearing like 10 layers of socks.

00:58:39.000 Okay.

00:58:44.000 So, yes, I think most reasonable people would say his health isn't looking too good these days.

00:58:49.000 And by the way, this is the same guy two years ago who said you need ID to buy bread.

00:58:54.000 He said Jeb Bush got us into the war in Iraq.

00:58:58.000 He said he defeated Barack Obama.

00:58:59.000 So, yes, I don't think Donald Trump's health is in great state.

00:59:03.000 Real quick, he's 80 years old. 0.87

00:59:04.000 I can't find anything on his fingers being black.

00:59:07.000 There's a growing discoloration. 0.78

00:59:09.000 It's like he had herpes on his neck.

00:59:12.000 I'll pull that one up. 0.99

00:59:12.000 He's 80 years old, so he's supposed to have the body of a 12 year old black mother. 0.99

00:59:17.000 Never said that, but it is a responsibility.

00:59:20.000 I will apply the same to Joe Biden.

00:59:21.000 I think he's moving around and talking way better than Joe Biden.

00:59:23.000 I think that might be shingles.

00:59:25.000 And I've never seen the brother fall up the stairs to get in a plane either.

00:59:27.000 He actually walks down the stairs.

00:59:29.000 Have you seen Donald Trump walk lately?

00:59:29.000 What do you mean?

00:59:31.000 Have you seen him drag his leg?

00:59:31.000 Yeah, I've seen him walk.

00:59:32.000 What are you talking about?

00:59:34.000 I'm talking about the same president that you're talking about.

00:59:38.000 I can show you plenty of videos where Joe Biden used the short stairs to get off the plane.

00:59:42.000 You ever seen Donald Trump on a bike?

00:59:44.000 Let's concede this.

00:59:46.000 No, I think he's going to be on a bike.

00:59:48.000 Oh, wow.

00:59:48.000 That takes a lot of physical.

00:59:49.000 Okay, all right, guys, guys. 0.64

00:59:52.000 I think it's silly.

00:59:55.000 We're both old.

00:59:56.000 We're both old.

00:59:57.000 He's 80.

00:59:58.000 We here called out Joe Biden endlessly over his ailing health.

01:00:01.000 Trump clearly has ailing health.

01:00:01.000 Yes.

01:00:03.000 That's my only point.

01:00:03.000 Thank you.

01:00:04.000 I only want to talk about Trump.

01:00:07.000 But he's not going downhill like Joe Biden.

01:00:07.000 Listen.

01:00:10.000 Why did he go to Walter Reed?

01:00:11.000 Why did he have an MRI?

01:00:12.000 You don't know that ailing health is affecting his cognitive ability.

01:00:18.000 Yeah.

01:00:19.000 So I would put it like this.

01:00:20.000 You think Donald Trump's cognitive ability is.

01:00:22.000 Is pretty good right now.

01:00:23.000 Yes, I think his cognitive ability is perfect.

01:00:26.000 You think it's really good?

01:00:27.000 It's better than cheese.

01:00:28.000 When he's falling asleep in meetings, you think he's a great cognitive ability.

01:00:31.000 I'm actually, I have no problem.

01:00:33.000 You're okay with the president falling asleep. 0.96

01:00:34.000 How many times do I have to say that I think his cognitive ability is okay before you stop repeatedly asking silly questions?

01:00:42.000 Yes, I think his cognitive ability is okay.

01:00:46.000 Can we get a physician in here to check Phil's cognitive ability, please?

01:00:49.000 Maybe check my blood pressure.

01:00:52.000 I don't care if Trump falls asleep in here.

01:00:53.000 Phil's turning into tomato.

01:00:54.000 All right, all right, all right.

01:00:55.000 Listen.

01:00:56.000 I don't care that Trump falls asleep.

01:00:57.000 You want to talk about.

01:00:58.000 You don't care?

01:00:58.000 No, I don't.

01:00:59.000 At a meeting?

01:00:59.000 Not at all.

01:01:00.000 No.

01:01:00.000 When they're talking?

01:01:01.000 Literally, no.

01:01:02.000 Wow.

01:01:02.000 Okay.

01:01:03.000 I really don't care.

01:01:05.000 I need to be explained an argument as to why falling asleep is such a big deal.

01:01:09.000 He's the president of the United States.

01:01:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:11.000 He's an extremely busy man.

01:01:12.000 He probably stays up later than all of us.

01:01:14.000 What meeting does he fall asleep at?

01:01:15.000 And he's 80 years old.

01:01:16.000 What did he fall asleep at?

01:01:17.000 What meeting?

01:01:18.000 You can look it up.

01:01:19.000 He's been falling asleep at a meeting.

01:01:20.000 So here's what happened.

01:01:21.000 I've seen him shut his eyes for a long time.

01:01:23.000 I haven't seen any of the videos.

01:01:23.000 What's the point?

01:01:25.000 Provide the evidence you're the one that he's asleep at.

01:01:27.000 It doesn't matter, though.

01:01:28.000 You haven't seen it.

01:01:29.000 You're the one making the assertion for this.

01:01:30.000 I'll make it.

01:01:30.000 Yeah, I'll look it up.

01:01:31.000 I'm going to break it down for y'all as y'all.

01:01:34.000 Brian, let me explain it to the audience.

01:01:36.000 There's a particular video that's gone viral with Rubio.

01:01:38.000 He's being questioned over whether he ever experienced Trump falling asleep.

01:01:42.000 Trump is sitting at the table and he goes like this.

01:01:44.000 Puts his head down, closes his eyes.

01:01:45.000 His head's down and he's closing his eyes and he appears out.

01:01:49.000 And he's done that multiple times.

01:01:50.000 That being said, the counter from Rubio and Trump is he's not sleeping, he's just closing his eyes and thinking.

01:01:56.000 However, one of the funniest things I've ever seen is when, in my opinion, Trump fell asleep and goes, I was praying.

01:02:01.000 I'm like, no, I don't think you fell asleep.

01:02:04.000 Ted Liu questioned him on that.

01:02:06.000 Is that what you're talking about when Ted Liu's questioning Marco Rubio and they showed the evidence?

01:02:10.000 I'm not just making it up.

01:02:11.000 Listen, they're both old.

01:02:12.000 The point I'm trying to make here is Joe Biden, old, Donald Trump, old.

01:02:17.000 These are old men.

01:02:18.000 I prefer, Republican or Democrat, I think we hopefully we all can agree. 1.00

01:02:22.000 I would rather have younger people that are not falling asleep or mumbling and bumbling. 0.87

01:02:27.000 I would like them to be older. 0.54

01:02:28.000 I really don't care the age.

01:02:29.000 I don't care the age.

01:02:30.000 I just care that they can do their job and do it well.

01:02:32.000 And Donald Trump's doing it well.

01:02:33.000 I'm 60% with him.

01:02:34.000 So honestly, he's not, for me, as a 30 year old man in this country, he's the better president.

01:02:42.000 What policies?

01:02:43.000 Give me a policy that you really like under Donald Trump.

01:02:46.000 I would say that Donald Trump's policy when it comes to abortion has been less tainting for the people that want to kill, or I'm sorry, that want to kill the people.

01:02:53.000 So you're pro life.

01:02:54.000 I understand that.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:55.000 Okay, so you're pro life.

01:02:57.000 That's just a policy disagreement we have.

01:02:57.000 I disagree with you.

01:02:59.000 Give me another policy that you think is helpful for the people.

01:03:01.000 So he has policies that he's trying to put in place that his faith office has implemented.

01:03:05.000 But he hasn't put any policies in place in a year and a half?

01:03:07.000 He's the president, he's the executive.

01:03:09.000 Give me a policy that you think he's implemented that helped the country.

01:03:11.000 He hasn't put policies in place.

01:03:13.000 Yeah, so give me something that you.

01:03:14.000 Wait, the president's.

01:03:16.000 His initiatives for this country.

01:03:17.000 Donald Trump's laws.

01:03:18.000 I think he's referring to leaked legislative.

01:03:20.000 Give me some policies under Donald Trump.

01:03:23.000 But what do you mean by policy?

01:03:25.000 Because if we're anything.

01:03:26.000 I'm sorry, just real quick.

01:03:28.000 Because there's a little bit of semantics.

01:03:30.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:03:30.000 I'll give you a little bit of semantics.

01:03:32.000 Give me an example.

01:03:32.000 He'll interpret it as legislative, and I think you did too.

01:03:35.000 So, in terms of policy, do you mean like executive orders?

01:03:38.000 Exactly.

01:03:39.000 All of his border security stuff.

01:03:41.000 I like the deportations.

01:03:41.000 Everything.

01:03:43.000 I like closing the border.

01:03:44.000 Okay.

01:03:45.000 But, okay, you like closing the border?

01:03:46.000 I'm happy to.

01:03:47.000 Listen, listen, listen. 0.79

01:03:48.000 He did give you abortion, and that is a strong one.

01:03:50.000 That's a policy disagreement.

01:03:51.000 Obviously, we had a conversation a little bit earlier about that.

01:03:54.000 When it comes to policies that this president has put in place versus the last one, our borders were completely open.

01:03:59.000 They were not completely open.

01:04:01.000 Okay, so where were they?

01:04:02.000 I think they failed.

01:04:03.000 Let's not get semantics.

01:04:04.000 You know what he means.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, but I think the Biden administration certainly did not do a good job with the border.

01:04:09.000 But I would also, my retort to Phil and anyone that's really happy with Donald Trump's immigration policy, sure, a lot of people have been deported.

01:04:16.000 But last I checked, in our Constitution, it says any person has the right to due process, not any.

01:04:22.000 We're going to get into a semantic argument about what process means.

01:04:25.000 It's.

01:04:26.000 What does due process mean, Brian?

01:04:26.000 It's in the Constitution.

01:04:28.000 So, so, well, again, we've had this.

01:04:30.000 Like, here's the thing, Brian.

01:04:33.000 We've had the debate on the due process thing 16 times.

01:04:36.000 You're not happy with what happened in Minneapolis.

01:04:37.000 With lawyers.

01:04:38.000 You can't be happy. 0.88

01:04:39.000 Yeah, they didn't get rid of enough people.

01:04:39.000 In what capacity?

01:04:41.000 In what capacity?

01:04:42.000 What happened to Alex Pretty and Renee Good?

01:04:44.000 Well, no one's happy.

01:04:46.000 Well, again, that's hyperbole.

01:04:48.000 Obviously, there's some people that are happy, but general rational people.

01:04:51.000 Why wasn't there a full investigation into what happened to Renee Good?

01:04:54.000 And why is Jonathan Ross back out on the streets and he's made millions of dollars in donations?

01:04:58.000 Do you want the formal reason, or I don't.

01:05:00.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:05:01.000 I want to get to the point I was making before because Phil brought due process and you mentioned due process is not a proper noun.

01:05:07.000 It is a generic definitional phrase.

01:05:10.000 The process you are due.

01:05:12.000 The process you are due under the INA is that if you are here illegally, the process you are due is if an immigration judge under the executive branch issues a deportation order, you are deported.

01:05:24.000 That's it.

01:05:25.000 But our forefathers could have put in that same sentence that I just read to you could have been any citizen.

01:05:25.000 Understood.

01:05:31.000 Instead, they used the Constitution.

01:05:32.000 That's not what I said.

01:05:33.000 I understand what you said.

01:05:34.000 And the Constitution gave specific powers to the legislative branch to create the laws as to how these are enforced.

01:05:39.000 And the Immigration and Naturalization Act explicitly states that the due process you get as an illegal immigrant is a variety of issues.

01:05:45.000 So if someone's seeking asylum, let's just say from Mexico, Tim, right, and they file the proper paperwork and they're showing up in a court, are we allowed to deport them?

01:05:53.000 No. 0.96

01:05:54.000 Okay.

01:05:54.000 The Trump administration has done that.

01:05:56.000 There are examples where they have.

01:05:57.000 Certainly.

01:05:58.000 And the issue that I am talking about when we refer to due process is the principle and most part.

01:06:04.000 For these deportations are targeting of, and I don't, I think the criminals only make up, was it like the hard criminals are only 60, 70%?

01:06:11.000 It is, if you enter the country illegally, there's a variety of due process that may be applicable.

01:06:18.000 First and foremost, if an immigration judge gives a deportation order, that is your due process.

01:06:23.000 You will be arrested by immigration or either CBP or ICE and you'll be deported.

01:06:27.000 You don't have a right to a hearing.

01:06:29.000 You can say the words asylum, they might not give it to you.

01:06:32.000 If you file before coming for asylum and then enter illegally, You're entering a nebulous position where you could be subject to either.

01:06:40.000 You might get a hearing, you might not.

01:06:42.000 If you go to a border and request asylum and get temporary protected status, you cannot be deported without hearing from the government.

01:06:50.000 The crazy part about it is this administration is actually paying people to self deport and then come back to the people.

01:06:55.000 Just as well as the $5 million gold card.

01:06:57.000 Do you know anybody that's done it?

01:06:59.000 No, I don't.

01:07:00.000 I do.

01:07:00.000 I know somebody.

01:07:01.000 Do you know anybody that's bought the $5 million gold card to come back into the country?

01:07:04.000 I don't know, but I know people that are going to come back.

01:07:06.000 Guys, guys, guys.

01:07:06.000 You don't.

01:07:07.000 Brian, you want to blab about things like that?

01:07:09.000 You know what economic citizenship is?

01:07:10.000 What's up?

01:07:11.000 Do you know what economic citizenship is?

01:07:12.000 No.

01:07:12.000 Every country has it.

01:07:14.000 The Trump gold card was a branding on what already existed.

01:07:17.000 That's it.

01:07:18.000 He certainly voted about it.

01:07:19.000 One person bought it.

01:07:21.000 It's because Trump branded what already exists.

01:07:21.000 One person.

01:07:24.000 So you can, so St. Kitts and Nevis is one of the most famous.

01:07:28.000 Americans who are very wealthy like to buy it, it's called economic citizenship.

01:07:31.000 Yeah.

01:07:32.000 If you invest in a bank account, this is the crazy thing.

01:07:34.000 I don't know the exact numbers, but I know that, like for Canada, for instance, it might be $5 million.

01:07:39.000 You literally just deposit $5 million in a bank account.

01:07:42.000 You don't got to give them the money, and they will hand you a passport.

01:07:44.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 It's nuts.

01:07:45.000 Can I ask you a question?

01:07:46.000 Trump just branded the president.

01:07:47.000 So, do you know anybody that's.

01:07:48.000 Do you have any friends that are illegal immigrants or anybody?

01:07:51.000 Yes, I do.

01:07:51.000 Wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

01:07:53.000 What are their names and their addresses, real quick?

01:07:56.000 Danny Negrano and Mike Mattisau.

01:07:57.000 What was I going to ask about?

01:08:01.000 Barack Obama.

01:08:02.000 Would you give Barack Obama credit for the deportations that he accomplished?

01:08:07.000 I was young when Barack Obama deported more people.

01:08:09.000 That's why I'm asking you.

01:08:10.000 Yeah, functionally different.

01:08:12.000 I understand.

01:08:13.000 It was definitely different.

01:08:14.000 So let me ask you another question then.

01:08:16.000 Was that under the guise of best interest for the American people?

01:08:20.000 I think that anybody that wants to protect our border has the.

01:08:23.000 Obama gets a lot of credit for it.

01:08:24.000 So it's functionally in a perfect way.

01:08:26.000 Everybody ignores that these days.

01:08:27.000 You know that, right? 0.91

01:08:29.000 They act like Donald Trump is just this horrible person for. 1.00

01:08:31.000 Well, he is a horrible person for other reasons. 0.96

01:08:33.000 You don't think he's a horrible person? 0.94

01:08:35.000 No, I don't think he's a horrible person.

01:08:36.000 No, you don't.

01:08:37.000 I don't think you're a horrible person.

01:08:38.000 Well, guess what?

01:08:39.000 I'm not a liable sexual abuser, and I don't have 30 women who accuse me of rape.

01:08:43.000 But anyway, I know.

01:08:44.000 Wait, wait.

01:08:45.000 We can find her right now.

01:08:46.000 I promise you.

01:08:47.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:08:47.000 Hold on.

01:08:49.000 I got a question for you.

01:08:50.000 Brian, if I asked right now for anybody who's ever been assaulted by you to come forward, how many people do you think would say they were?

01:08:58.000 You think people would lie?

01:08:58.000 I have no idea.

01:08:59.000 You think it would be a couple hundred?

01:09:02.000 Prove it in court and I'll sue you for defamation.

01:09:04.000 And Trump did sue her for defamation.

01:09:05.000 Yeah.

01:09:06.000 It's ongoing.

01:09:06.000 Did he win?

01:09:07.000 I think people would lie about suing her.

01:09:07.000 Oh, it's ongoing.

01:09:09.000 My point is, bro, come on.

01:09:11.000 If I said right now people on X who've been assaulted by Brian should come forward, 1,000 women are going to be assaulted.

01:09:15.000 There's an issue of credibility.

01:09:16.000 Is X wife in court documents, or in the deposition, claimed that?

01:09:19.000 He raped her, and then when he paid her off, she withdrew.

01:09:22.000 And what would you do if 100 women told you? 1.00

01:09:24.000 He also bragged about grabbing women by the genitals. 1.00

01:09:26.000 What would you do if 100 women tweeted right now that you raped them? 1.00

01:09:30.000 I would say, go ahead and take me to court. 1.00

01:09:31.000 I dare you.

01:09:32.000 Go for it.

01:09:32.000 And then, but what is that all you do?

01:09:33.000 Screw the hell out of you.

01:09:34.000 Trump is doing that. 0.99

01:09:34.000 You do it. 0.99

01:09:35.000 Go ahead.

01:09:37.000 I wouldn't be found liable because there'd be no evidence that it happened because I've never sexually abused him.

01:09:40.000 There's no evidence that Trump did either.

01:09:42.000 Really?

01:09:43.000 Yes, literally, there's no evidence. 1.00

01:09:44.000 He's a dirty womanizer, isn't he? 1.00

01:09:45.000 No, no, no, hold on. 1.00

01:09:46.000 Are all these women lying? 1.00

01:09:47.000 Hold on, hold on. 0.99

01:09:48.000 I'm talking about Eugene Carroll.

01:09:49.000 It was 30 years ago.

01:09:49.000 Okay, let's talk about it.

01:09:50.000 There's literally no evidence.

01:09:51.000 Okay.

01:09:51.000 I understood.

01:09:52.000 So do you have more evidence than the jury?

01:09:55.000 I have all the same evidence.

01:09:56.000 The same evidence.

01:09:57.000 So why do you think they convicted him?

01:09:58.000 You think it was just, or not convicted, I'm sorry, found him liable?

01:10:01.000 You think it was just political?

01:10:05.000 I would say yes.

01:10:06.000 It's tough, but I would say yes because, first of all, Eugene Carroll's story doesn't make sense.

01:10:10.000 So, my point is this: if someone came to me and said, last week, Brian came down to Rio de Janeiro and raped me, I'd be like, Brian wasn't in Rio de Janeiro.

01:10:18.000 So, when Eugene Carroll says, I have the dress in question from the rape, and they go, that dress didn't exist, when she says, Donald Trump was able to open an unlocked dressing room, when she says, we got to the sixth floor of the Bergdorf Goodman without anybody noticing the most famous man in New York, when they say, Trump owned the hotel across the street, her story makes no sense, and I don't get credibility.

01:10:38.000 But most importantly, It was 30 years ago with no evidence.

01:10:40.000 Yeah, but Tim, I don't care what the jury says about it.

01:10:42.000 If this was one person, okay, that made an allegation, even though I tend to believe most people who claim they are victims, we're talking about a guy, again, who was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for 10 years.

01:10:54.000 Okay, hold on a second.

01:10:54.000 That's an exaggeration.

01:10:55.000 That's according to Jeffrey Epstein.

01:10:57.000 We're talking, let me ask you a question.

01:10:58.000 Why has Maxwell been treated the way she's been treated in a COVID facility?

01:11:02.000 Why has Trump denied the Epstein files, called it a hoax?

01:11:04.000 A lot of interesting questions.

01:11:05.000 So, Tim, the reason best friends is a bias.

01:11:08.000 I agree.

01:11:08.000 Tim, the reason why I'm bringing all this stuff up is because there's this is what you always talk about history, okay?

01:11:13.000 There's a history, and Phil doesn't want me to talk about that history.

01:11:16.000 He just wants to, again, continue to cuck for Donald Trump.

01:11:20.000 This show is a current events show.

01:11:23.000 We talk about news of the day.

01:11:26.000 Are we talking about Donald Trump?

01:11:26.000 That's why.

01:11:27.000 No.

01:11:28.000 No, you're talking about things that we did.

01:11:29.000 To be fair, what kicked off this 30 minute segment was Trump saying, I love inflation.

01:11:35.000 I love inflation.

01:11:36.000 That was the news story that led us there.

01:11:37.000 It kind of came up that sometimes horrible people.

01:11:39.000 I would love to talk about Carmelo Anthony.

01:11:40.000 Sometimes horrible people can do great things.

01:11:41.000 Oh, let's do it.

01:11:42.000 I would love to.

01:11:43.000 Here we go.

01:11:43.000 Trump's personal.

01:11:45.000 Ian, there you are.

01:11:45.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 This guy's got style, by the way, man.

01:11:47.000 Thanks, sir.

01:11:48.000 He's got style. 0.99

01:11:49.000 Like, Trump's, I think, pretty plaintively a womanizer throughout his life and probably a dirty womanizer at times, cheating on his wife. 0.98

01:11:56.000 But that doesn't mean he can't accomplish phenomenal things for humanity. 0.98

01:11:59.000 Exactly.

01:12:00.000 And culture literally idolized Donald Trump in every aspect up until his presidency.

01:12:06.000 I don't know if I agree with that assessment.

01:12:07.000 Oh, I do.

01:12:08.000 Because in my childhood, all I seen was Donald Trump in cool cameo moments in every single movie, in the WWE.

01:12:13.000 Whatever you want to bring up with Donald Trump, he was always in a hip, cool way.

01:12:16.000 Rappers would put him in music videos, and then all of a sudden, the same people would.

01:12:20.000 That wanted Trump to be a part of something that they were doing, wanted to fly on his jet, now are against him because he wants to be the president of the United States and doesn't represent the right party.

01:12:28.000 He had one of the top television shows in the time.

01:12:31.000 Who cares if he had a television show?

01:12:32.000 Well, that refutes what you said.

01:12:36.000 It refutes what you said. 0.67

01:12:37.000 So, because he was in rap videos, he couldn't have raped anybody?

01:12:40.000 No, That's not what rap videos kind of go the other way in terms of evidence.

01:12:44.000 Well, I mean.

01:12:47.000 The argument that you made was hard.

01:12:48.000 Well, I don't think people really looked at it.

01:12:50.000 You guys are right.

01:12:51.000 Donald Trump is a great guy, he's a great father.

01:12:53.000 He's a great husband.

01:12:55.000 He's very honorable.

01:12:56.000 He never dodged the military.

01:12:58.000 He never sexually abused anybody. 0.99

01:12:59.000 Are you guys insane? 0.99

01:13:00.000 Well, like Teddy Roosevelt was pretty much a blazing racist, you know, killing engines for fun. 0.99

01:13:05.000 But he was a great president. 0.93

01:13:06.000 Well, I mean, the difference between me and a lot of other people I think Bill Clinton did some horrible things to women.

01:13:11.000 And I would never deny that.

01:13:12.000 And if Bill Clinton was running for office again tomorrow, I wouldn't vote for him.

01:13:15.000 You know why?

01:13:16.000 Because I think he did some horrible things.

01:13:18.000 I say the same thing about Donald Trump.

01:13:20.000 If Bill Clinton was running, if Bill Clinton was available, could be the president.

01:13:24.000 And he was running against Kamala Harris, I would vote for Bill Clinton over Kamala Harris.

01:13:28.000 I got mixed feelings about voting for him.

01:13:29.000 I agree.

01:13:30.000 And he's the same age as Trump, isn't he?

01:13:30.000 About voting for him.

01:13:32.000 Isn't he younger?

01:13:33.000 Like voting for evil doesn't, it's not.

01:13:35.000 I usually think about a primary.

01:13:36.000 If they're evil, I'm not going to vote for them.

01:13:37.000 Now I feel like, look, I'm not a Kamala fan.

01:13:40.000 I'm not going to argue with you on that. 0.95

01:13:42.000 What the Democrats did with Kamala Harris is they installed a candidate who defies democracy and tried to fool every black person. 0.98

01:13:50.000 Oh, no, no, wait. 0.97

01:13:50.000 I'm sorry. 0.97

01:13:51.000 I'm sorry.

01:13:51.000 In a way, I was like, I'll take a guy.

01:13:53.000 Potentially Trump's evil.

01:13:54.000 And I'm not going to say he is or not, but if he was, there's situations where, like, I'll take the evil character that's going to do better for society than the good.

01:14:02.000 I don't think Trump does better for society, but I will say this, though.

01:14:04.000 The reason I say this is because if the Democrats had installed a candidate with Kamala Harris, then the next time they do it again.

01:14:09.000 I blame Joe Biden for that.

01:14:09.000 I agree.

01:14:10.000 Do you think Kamala Harris was going to be better for society?

01:14:13.000 So if Kamala Harris was president, and by the way.

01:14:15.000 Well, that's a yes or no question. 1.00

01:14:17.000 Oh, you think her buddies having transgenders butt down in the White House line was better for society? 1.00

01:14:17.000 Yes. 1.00

01:14:22.000 Do transgenders negatively affect you in your life? 1.00

01:14:25.000 No, I'm just asking a question. 1.00

01:14:25.000 Please tell me. 1.00

01:14:27.000 I'm just asking a question.

01:14:28.000 Please answer why.

01:14:29.000 I have a lot of.

01:14:30.000 Please answer why.

01:14:30.000 I'll say yes.

01:14:31.000 Brian, I have a seven month old child.

01:14:34.000 I don't want that stuff put in front of my kids' faces.

01:14:36.000 I'll get to that.

01:14:37.000 Kamala Harris putting. 1.00

01:14:38.000 Girls twerking on a stage at front of her political rally in Atlanta. 0.97

01:14:42.000 Let's talk about that. 1.00

01:14:43.000 So, your argument is that they thought we were stupid. 0.99

01:14:46.000 That's my argument. 1.00

01:14:48.000 Is that she thought that black people were stupid? 1.00

01:14:49.000 Well, guess what? 1.00

01:14:50.000 Donald Trump said he loves the uneducated.

01:14:52.000 That's number one.

01:14:53.000 Number two, if you think it's so problematic that Kamala let girls tweak on a stage or twerk, whatever you said, and you think that's more problematic than Donald Trump's behavior and the way he's lived his life and the cheating and the lying.

01:15:13.000 Then I'm sorry, my friend.

01:15:14.000 I disagree with you because if you want to compare them all, you think it's okay.

01:15:17.000 You think it's okay.

01:15:18.000 Okay.

01:15:18.000 No, no, I got to be honest.

01:15:19.000 Kamala Harris is a good mother and a good wife.

01:15:22.000 Okay.

01:15:23.000 And you know what?

01:15:24.000 She's never been in trouble.

01:15:25.000 She's never been accused of sexual abuse.

01:15:27.000 She's never been accused of using sexual favors to get into office. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Well, people who say that are idiots and people. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:33.000 So now hold on a second.

01:15:33.000 Well, okay.

01:15:34.000 Now, when someone credibly accuses Donald Trump, it's one thing, but someone.

01:15:39.000 It's a crime that Kamala was accused of. 1.00

01:15:40.000 She's sleeping away to the top. 1.00

01:15:41.000 I'm pretty sure that is illegal. 0.98

01:15:43.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.000 Okay.

01:15:44.000 I think that is a crime.

01:15:45.000 It is.

01:15:45.000 Yeah.

01:15:46.000 Solicitation for sex?

01:15:47.000 So, first of all, last I checked, that's not a crime.

01:15:50.000 If you had sexual relations with someone, and then the argument you're making, by the way, you're talking about Brown, and even if that allegation was true, which I don't believe it is, she's a duly elected.

01:15:58.000 By the way, I'm not even a Kamala Harris big fan.

01:16:01.000 You sound like Bill, but you're making the argument.

01:16:03.000 The moral comparison to the argument.

01:16:04.000 You're making the argument.

01:16:05.000 Because there was twerking on his face.

01:16:07.000 I'm just trying to point out.

01:16:09.000 Hold on. 1.00

01:16:10.000 It is a crime to offer sex in exchange for favors in the workplace, money, or something that women don't want to do. 1.00

01:16:15.000 Let me clarify because she's pointing out that the Democratic Party. 1.00

01:16:18.000 She was credibly accused of being a Republican.

01:16:20.000 Incredibly, I would say she's a duly elected.

01:16:22.000 So tell me, how did Brown help her become a duly elected attorney general, a senator, a vice president?

01:16:28.000 You think it's because she slept with this guy, Brown?

01:16:30.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:16:30.000 The most ridiculous thing ever. 1.00

01:16:31.000 The argument is only the job she got with him. 0.98

01:16:33.000 Yeah.

01:16:34.000 Well, again, I think people who make statements like that are misogynist.

01:16:38.000 Okay, Pamela.

01:16:38.000 I really do.

01:16:39.000 Yes, and the reason I brought up Pamela even because I don't know why it's so hard is because I was talking about the process of installing it.

01:16:47.000 I voted against that.

01:16:48.000 Process, which could have been very bad for America, for Americans, for humanity, to let the empire install a candidate with the Democratic super delegate system.

01:16:56.000 It's so weird.

01:16:57.000 So that's the problem.

01:16:58.000 That's why I think even an evil Republican that people want to be a Republican. 1.00

01:17:02.000 I want to quickly go back to the transgender situation that both of these men. 1.00

01:17:06.000 Let me address that real quick. 0.83

01:17:07.000 Sure.

01:17:08.000 I don't care about Trump's past personal life.

01:17:10.000 We can condemn the things that were bad.

01:17:12.000 I don't care if Kamala did whatever she did.

01:17:15.000 And I don't care if Barack Obama married a trans person or whatever these people claim, right, about Michelle.

01:17:20.000 Like, I look at the personal lives, like, because again, it's used against Obama to be like, oh, look what he's secretly doing, whatever. 0.91

01:17:26.000 I'm just sitting here being like, look, man, you're gonna get a lot of weirdos.

01:17:30.000 You're going to get a lot of weirdos, a lot of bad people.

01:17:33.000 We want to try and make sure that whatever is being done, whether it's for good intentions or bad intentions, has the ultimate positive effect for the American people.

01:17:40.000 And for that, I can say that Obama did a bunch of things that were, in fact, pretty good.

01:17:44.000 I think he did a lot of things that were, in fact, pretty bad.

01:17:46.000 And there are a lot of things that I don't like that he did.

01:17:49.000 And I think I view Trump as a marginally net positive presidency.

01:17:54.000 I view Obama as a massively net negative presidency.

01:17:57.000 By what standard?

01:17:59.000 Of my life.

01:18:01.000 Like, what has he done that's positive?

01:18:02.000 Like, well, in the grand scheme of things, we can talk about the debt he's got us in.

01:18:06.000 I think it was $8.2 trillion in his first administration, Donald Trump.

01:18:10.000 You know, obviously, you know, his handling of the pandemic, I thought, was a disaster.

01:18:14.000 Let me ask you about the debt.

01:18:16.000 What is your concern with the debt?

01:18:18.000 Well, it seems as though the last president that left us with a surplus was Bill Clinton, even though I don't like his sexcapades and I don't like him personally.

01:18:27.000 But what about the debt right now?

01:18:29.000 No, no, no, no.

01:18:30.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:18:31.000 Like, because people bring up the debt, there's a lot of problems with the debt and why the state is the ones why I don't like it.

01:18:35.000 So, I'm asking you, let's hash out people.

01:18:37.000 I think there are better ways the money that we are spending in Washington, D.C. today.

01:18:44.000 And you guys will probably disagree with me on this.

01:18:46.000 And this is a left leaning view.

01:18:48.000 But I do believe that if you tax the rich a little bit more and you don't give the biggest tax breaks in history and the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and all these tax breaks, and maybe if everybody paid the same percentage, Jeff Bezos down to a guy making minimum wage, charge them the same percentage of flat tax.

01:19:05.000 So, let me address this.

01:19:07.000 This is an important conversation.

01:19:08.000 Because the conversation around taxing the rich tends to target like 13 guys.

01:19:13.000 And the taxes that typically get implemented to target these 13 guys have massive negative repercussions for much, much smaller guys.

01:19:21.000 So I'll use myself as a personal example I am in favor of progressive taxes.

01:19:27.000 I am not in favor of this tax the rich blanket ethos for this reason.

01:19:31.000 Would you agree with the same tax percentage?

01:19:34.000 I think we need a different tax bracket system because it doesn't extend to the people like Bezos.

01:19:39.000 And wealth tax is not going to work, but let me explain this.

01:19:42.000 I am wealthy.

01:19:43.000 I am very wealthy.

01:19:46.000 I don't have the wealth the way that Elon has the wealth.

01:19:50.000 So here's what ends up happening.

01:19:51.000 They say, we're going to tax the rich.

01:19:52.000 And I go, okay, listen, I make a lot of money because I work 80 hours a week plus.

01:19:57.000 I work sometimes on weekends, sometimes a little bit more.

01:19:59.000 You work hard.

01:20:00.000 I work hard and long hours.

01:20:02.000 It's hard and long, right?

01:20:03.000 I always talk about how hard and long it is.

01:20:05.000 It is hard and long.

01:20:06.000 And here's what happens.

01:20:07.000 Give me some money.

01:20:08.000 They tell me.

01:20:08.000 I know where Ian's going with this.

01:20:09.000 So let me put it like this.

01:20:11.000 If I work.

01:20:12.000 What am I saying?

01:20:12.000 If I work four hours a day.

01:20:15.000 I will make between one and $3 million per year.

01:20:18.000 If I work eight hours a day, I'll make between three and $4 million a year.

01:20:23.000 The taxes, what they're saying to me is Tim, when you work those extra eight hours, you will make less money.

01:20:31.000 And then my response is I guess I should not work those extra hours.

01:20:34.000 I'm not making money off investments or the stock market or watching this or pump and dump schemes or any of that weird stuff.

01:20:40.000 So when they say we should tax the rich more, they're telling the majority of wealthy business owners, which are not.

01:20:46.000 The ultra billionaires.

01:20:47.000 It is, and I'm not even talking about ultra millionaires either.

01:20:50.000 I'm talking about people whose net worth might be a few million, but their salaries are a couple hundred thousand.

01:20:53.000 They're telling the CEO, if you work more hours, you will make less money.

01:20:57.000 And so they literally just go, I guess I won't.

01:21:00.000 Now, we are upset that people like Bezos can take out loans against his stock and he's worth billions of dollars and lives like a king.

01:21:08.000 But the policies that get implemented just target business owners who might have five fast casual restaurants instead of billionaires.

01:21:15.000 I've heard this argument before.

01:21:17.000 And it's true because I'm sorry, I'm trying to interrupt, but I just want to say this one more time.

01:21:22.000 They are telling me every single day to stop working and stop running my business and to fire my employees.

01:21:27.000 Every day, the liberals are saying, Tim, when you work those extra eight hours a day, you will get nothing for it.

01:21:34.000 And I will tell you the reality of this company is that Timcast IRL costs me money personally.

01:21:42.000 I would make more money if I did not do it.

01:21:44.000 And a component of it is not entirely, but a component of it is the tax system.

01:21:48.000 I get it, Tim, but maybe we can meet in the middle here.

01:21:50.000 I get what you're saying.

01:21:50.000 Okay.

01:21:52.000 I also am uncomfortable.

01:21:54.000 And while I'm, for the most part, okay with capitalism, I have an issue with the economy that we are in right now.

01:22:00.000 For example, working two to three jobs to try to feed your family.

01:22:05.000 I don't want to live in a country.

01:22:07.000 If you remember at the White House that photo op ridiculous stunt with the grandmother who's the Uber Eats driver or something like that, I'm trying to remember.

01:22:16.000 And a sad story, right? 0.60

01:22:17.000 Her husband is dying of cancer.

01:22:19.000 It's terrible.

01:22:20.000 And I don't want somebody in this country that's paid taxes.

01:22:24.000 Their entire life to have to work a job like that to try to save her husband's life.

01:22:29.000 It's sad.

01:22:29.000 We all agree.

01:22:30.000 And now here's the challenge Taxing my overtime does not help her in any meaningful way. 1.00

01:22:36.000 It hurts her. 0.92

01:22:38.000 It is difficult.

01:22:39.000 Listen, Timcast IRL is an investment from me into a passion.

01:22:43.000 I think this show matters.

01:22:44.000 I think the people that work here matter.

01:22:46.000 I think everything we're building matters.

01:22:49.000 If I did not do it, I would have money for infinity pools and cars.

01:22:52.000 But instead, the money that comes in, so when people join timcast.com, that money basically just funds the operation.

01:22:57.000 Yeah.

01:22:58.000 My salary has never gone up.

01:23:00.000 In fact, I make less money.

01:23:01.000 My morning show makes money that goes and subsidizes Tim Cass for this company.

01:23:06.000 Taxing that extra money makes it harder for me to give people like that jobs.

01:23:10.000 So, if we want to, so solving these problems isn't go to Bezos and pay taxes.

01:23:14.000 You know why the problem with taxes?

01:23:15.000 All it's going to do is go bomb Middle Eastern countries.

01:23:18.000 We're going to tax Bezos and go bomb the wrong way. 0.88

01:23:21.000 I have a solution, Phil.

01:23:22.000 And maybe you can, sure.

01:23:23.000 I have a solution.

01:23:24.000 I want 1,000, all that remains, vinyls.

01:23:27.000 I want you to sign them for me.

01:23:29.000 I will put them up on eBay and I will donate it to people that are struggling, that are living paycheck to paycheck.

01:23:35.000 No.

01:23:35.000 What do you think?

01:23:36.000 What do you think?

01:23:37.000 I'll pay for that.

01:23:38.000 Wait, wait, hold on.

01:23:38.000 Real quick, that's a good idea.

01:23:40.000 I will buy a thousand vials to sign that we could donate to working people.

01:23:44.000 By the way, he doesn't even know this.

01:23:44.000 I think that'd be cool.

01:23:46.000 I listen to his music all the time.

01:23:48.000 He just pisses me off on Twitter and he hates me, but that's okay.

01:23:50.000 I've unmuted you.

01:23:51.000 He's done that way with Jess Margera of CKY.

01:23:53.000 He has unmuted me.

01:23:54.000 We're making progress.

01:23:55.000 I like him.

01:23:56.000 No, I seriously, what do you think the function of taxes?

01:24:00.000 Like, what do we pay taxes for?

01:24:02.000 Well, you're paying your debt to society and then the whole thing.

01:24:06.000 What does the government tax people for?

01:24:09.000 Well, obviously, for government programs.

01:24:11.000 No, no, it's not.

01:24:12.000 It doesn't.

01:24:12.000 It's to pay, and it's also to pay people in government.

01:24:15.000 No, It doesn't.

01:24:16.000 It doesn't.

01:24:17.000 What do you mean?

01:24:17.000 That's all government money.

01:24:19.000 The function of taxes is to manage inflation.

01:24:22.000 When the government wants.

01:24:23.000 No, no, no.

01:24:24.000 Listen, hear me out.

01:24:25.000 Hear me out.

01:24:26.000 Modern monetary theory.

01:24:27.000 Modern monetary theory.

01:24:28.000 The way that our system works, when the government wants to do something, it just Prints the money.

01:24:33.000 The taxes are to manage the amount of money in the system and to make sure that the dollars have a value.

01:24:40.000 Hold on, let me finish.

01:24:41.000 And to make sure that dollars have a value because you have to pay taxes in dollars.

01:24:46.000 So there's a demand for dollars.

01:24:47.000 I want to elaborate on this.

01:24:49.000 The way modern monetary theory works, the U.S. government doesn't print money.

01:24:54.000 What the U.S. government will do is they'll say, Brian, you know I'm good for it.

01:24:58.000 I want you to go and mow the lawn and I'll pay you $100,000 in three months.

01:25:03.000 That puts debt.

01:25:05.000 That's how the debt goes up.

01:25:06.000 The debt is literally the U.S. makes promises to American services and individuals saying, we'll pay you back, never actually giving the money.

01:25:12.000 They then have to find the money after the fact.

01:25:15.000 So, inflation, quantitative easing, taxes are to manage the inflation caused by economic activity created out of thin air.

01:25:24.000 There's another policy in banking called fractional reserve banking, in which the money supply is expanded when you swipe a credit card and buy a product.

01:25:34.000 That money doesn't come from an account.

01:25:36.000 The bank that you so, if I'm in a convenience store and you buy a dollar can of soda from me and swipe with a credit card, the dollar isn't transferred, it manifests in my account.

01:25:46.000 Then I pay it back.

01:25:48.000 I've added $1.

01:25:49.000 $1 has been added to the money supply.

01:25:51.000 That's how they expand the money supply.

01:25:52.000 This creates inflation.

01:25:53.000 So they tax you to reduce the amount of money available in circulation.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, but hold on one second.

01:25:59.000 And the point of this, the point of me bringing this up is to point out that if you raise taxes on billionaires, that money doesn't get transferred to poor people.

01:26:09.000 If you taxing, actually, not even billionaires, if you raise taxes on the top 1%, which is they pay 40%, top 1% pays 40% of total revenue.

01:26:19.000 In taxes, and that's anyone making over $663,000.

01:26:23.000 If you raise taxes on those people, you will put people out of work, and that money will never go to new programs.

01:26:31.000 That's 100% true.

01:26:32.000 That is a factual argument.

01:26:33.000 Are you familiar with the Laffer curve?

01:26:34.000 No.

01:26:35.000 This is the ratio by which, when you increase taxes, tax revenue declines.

01:26:39.000 The example I like to give is Cook County is Chicago, DuPage County is the western suburbs.

01:26:43.000 There was a Home Depot that was in Cook County, a few miles from the border of the county.

01:26:48.000 Cook County increased taxes, I think, by like 0.075% or some small number.

01:26:52.000 Home Depot shut down.

01:26:54.000 And it was over like six months and reopened three miles away in DuPage.

01:26:58.000 And I was talking to this girl this night, I was like a teenager.

01:27:02.000 Her dad was a contractor.

01:27:04.000 And I said, That makes no sense.

01:27:06.000 They probably just lost millions of dollars.

01:27:08.000 And he said, No, you don't understand.

01:27:10.000 With the tax increase, the contractors who buy wood were spending $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 per trip.

01:27:15.000 They were looking at losing $20,000 to $40,000 per year on average per company.

01:27:19.000 And they would be willing to drive 30 miles extra for supplies.

01:27:23.000 Home Depot knew they were going to lose this.

01:27:26.000 Due to the tax increase.

01:27:27.000 So they moved.

01:27:28.000 The interesting thing is, Cook County lost all of the tax revenue because of it.

01:27:32.000 Well, Kamala Harris had a policy that this is one of them that I did agree with, where if you're a household income making under $400,000 a year, she wanted to lower taxes for you.

01:27:41.000 And she gave her plan on how to do so. 1.00

01:27:43.000 You wanted to cut taxes for wealthy people?

01:27:43.000 Yes, I disagree.

01:27:45.000 Under, if you're making under $400,000 a year, not over, under.

01:27:49.000 And when I look at the biggest tax breaks in the history of this country for the top 1%, listen, here's my biggest issue, right?

01:27:55.000 If you're making $40,000 a year, Your percentage in taxes shouldn't be higher than somebody that's making a billion dollars.

01:28:00.000 So, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:28:02.000 I need to address something for you.

01:28:03.000 Do you know about how they hired some 80 some odd thousand IRS agents?

01:28:06.000 Do you know what happened following that?

01:28:06.000 Yes.

01:28:07.000 It was exactly as we predicted.

01:28:09.000 The way the IRS operates, you're not going to get audited.

01:28:12.000 And when they need money, you can't go to a handful of people.

01:28:14.000 If they taxed all the billionaires at 100%, I think it would run the U.S. government for like three months. 0.60

01:28:18.000 So, when the U.S. government needs to control the economic supply in a variety of means, the way you do it is you need 80,000 IRS agents, then You send letters to working class Americans nickel and diming them.

01:28:32.000 We saw a massive uptick in working class people getting IRS bills for debts they did not believe they owed but cannot fight.

01:28:39.000 So, if you make $60,000 a year and you get a letter from the IRS saying you have a $300 debt, this was the point of Joe Biden's burst in IRS agents, was to hunt this stuff down. 0.94

01:28:48.000 You're a working class guy going, I can't hire a lawyer over this.

01:28:51.000 It's $300. 0.88

01:28:53.000 Now you're getting nickel and dimed, and that's how they're trying to increase the IRS income.

01:28:57.000 Is your, both of your, Solutions to where we are at in this country right now.

01:29:02.000 As you know, there are a lot of people in this country right now that are struggling, that are working multiple jobs, struggling to get by.

01:29:09.000 As you also know, in the big and beautiful bill, up to 20 million Americans losing their medical coverage, which I think is a huge problem.

01:29:15.000 Millions of people losing food stamps.

01:29:17.000 My issue is.

01:29:19.000 But the food stamps.

01:29:19.000 But wait, do you want our solution?

01:29:21.000 I think it's got that problem.

01:29:22.000 I want to know, right now, we're not.

01:29:24.000 I think we all can hear me out.

01:29:25.000 We're not in a very good place right now.

01:29:26.000 Hear me out.

01:29:26.000 What do we do?

01:29:27.000 Work harder.

01:29:27.000 It's an industrial large meat grinder that people are lined up in front of and walk into.

01:29:33.000 So you need to reduce the cost.

01:29:35.000 What you have to do is you have to reform Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security because those are the.

01:29:40.000 That's Donald Trump's health care plan.

01:29:41.000 Do you want what I think, or do you want me to speak for Donald Trump?

01:29:44.000 Well, he's going to.

01:29:45.000 Because I'm going to tell you.

01:29:47.000 You asked for mine, so I'm going to tell you me.

01:29:49.000 I don't know what Donald Trump says.

01:29:50.000 He doesn't have it.

01:29:52.000 Sweet, Brian.

01:29:53.000 We're not talking about Donald Trump right now.

01:29:54.000 We're talking about me.

01:29:55.000 Donald Trump.

01:29:57.000 All right, give your answer.

01:29:58.000 Give your answer.

01:29:59.000 You need to reform Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

01:30:01.000 They're going to run out by 2033.

01:30:04.000 They're going to change, so that way they're going to cut everybody's benefits by 25% or 24%.

01:30:11.000 And you need to make sure that the economy is running well enough.

01:30:15.000 So that way, the tax base increases.

01:30:17.000 The major driver of our debt and our deficit are Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and inflation.

01:30:25.000 I'm sorry, not inflation and interest.

01:30:27.000 So you need to make sure interest rates are as low as they can be so that way the interest isn't compounding as fast.

01:30:31.000 You need to have more economic activity so you have more people paying in taxes to manage that inflation.

01:30:36.000 And you have to have a change in the system that is Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security so that way we can take care of the debt.

01:30:45.000 I'm going to give you the two realities. 0.65

01:30:48.000 Gen Alpha is half the size of Gen Z. You need today around four laborers to pay on average salaries taxes to Social Security to accommodate one Social Security recipient. 0.61

01:31:00.000 We've been reducing the amount of money Social Security recipients get relative to inflation.

01:31:04.000 Their benefits are much, much lower than they were when we started the program because we don't have the labor force. 0.70

01:31:10.000 What we're trying to do is take a tiny bit from everybody working to pay to the older generation.

01:31:14.000 The problem is the older generation is now bigger than the incoming younger generation.

01:31:18.000 The Democrat strategy under Biden was.

01:31:20.000 Mass migration.

01:31:21.000 So you can argue whether the border was open or closed or whatever, but it certainly, we saw a large influx of estimates ranging from 10 on the low end to 20 on the high end of immigrants coming to this country, illegal or otherwise.

01:31:33.000 The goal there among the Democrats was we need to bolster the labor force so that we can maintain our economic system.

01:31:40.000 You can't cut Medicare and Medicaid because people will revolt.

01:31:43.000 How do you fund it?

01:31:44.000 Bring in more workers to boost economic activity.

01:31:46.000 The concern that people like Trump and, or maybe not Trump is a good example, but Trump supporters had. 1.00

01:31:51.000 Is that this massive influx of third worlders won't replace skilled labor? 1.00

01:31:56.000 You can't bring in a Guatemalan farmer to replace a middle manager and an insurance firm. 1.00

01:32:00.000 So you're not actually going to get a one for one economic exchange. 0.97

01:32:03.000 Instead, you're going to see cultural discohesion and conflict.

01:32:06.000 The Democrat strategy seems to be well, we can't let the system break, can we?

01:32:11.000 I mean, your livelihood is gone.

01:32:13.000 So this is the worst, best option, I guess.

01:32:16.000 And the Trump strategy is if we lock the border down and bring in tariffs to boost internal economic activity and center the United States for oil activity, we will go through a rough patch and turn things around.

01:32:26.000 Now, certainly, you can argue the success rates of either, but these tend to be the aerial views of what was happening between the administrations.

01:32:35.000 And it looks like, for whatever reason, Trump won.

01:32:37.000 I think immigration pissed people off.

01:32:39.000 Whether or not he will succeed is a different question. 0.98

01:32:41.000 Whether or not you want him to do it is a different question, but that seems to be the overarching problem.

01:32:45.000 Well, I've told you what I want.

01:32:46.000 Obviously, I've been pretty clear on that.

01:32:49.000 Well, so let me ask you.

01:32:51.000 Well, that's not all I said, Phelps.

01:32:53.000 Okay, wait, wait, wait.

01:32:54.000 Let me ask you this.

01:32:57.000 Millennials are about 80 million.

01:32:58.000 Gen Z is just shy, about 78 million.

01:33:01.000 Boomers are around, I think, 65 or so million, maybe even around 70.

01:33:06.000 But they are approaching what's called the mortality shelf, which is 80 years old, life expectancy. 0.65

01:33:11.000 Donald Trump being one of the, I think he's the last year of boomers.

01:33:14.000 So we're expected to see over the next five years a substantial death rate.

01:33:17.000 They call it the mortality cliff because once a generation reaches the age of 79, which is life expectancy, statistically large amounts of death occur, which means we might see somewhere between like 20 to 30 million in the next five years of boomers moving on.

01:33:31.000 Like this is what's going to happen. 0.99

01:33:32.000 However, of the remaining, of the Gen Xers, Which I always leave out because they're kind of the middle child. 0.74

01:33:39.000 But Gen Xers are around, I think, 70 to 75 million. 0.90

01:33:44.000 They are now entering Social Security age, AARP, and all that stuff with the remaining boomers.

01:33:49.000 But we're only bringing in 40 to 45 million Gen Alpha. 0.84

01:33:53.000 So we do not have the low skill labor base to sustain Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. 0.84

01:33:58.000 The question is what do we do about that problem?

01:34:02.000 Well, obviously, that's extremely problematic.

01:34:05.000 But Phil had just mentioned that.

01:34:07.000 Tax the billionaires.

01:34:09.000 That's all the liberal wants, which I'm not.

01:34:09.000 That's all Brian wants.

01:34:11.000 But, but, but.

01:34:12.000 So, how do we address this standard economic issue with this bottleneck?

01:34:15.000 Well, there's a lot of things that I think we can do to make things better for the country.

01:34:20.000 A lot of ways we can conserve and a lot of ways we can help people that are struggling.

01:34:25.000 Now, it's not just about taxing the rich.

01:34:28.000 I'm not even talking about that.

01:34:30.000 I'm talking about the biggest tax breaks for the rich in the history of the country.

01:34:35.000 Again, why does that matter?

01:34:36.000 Those are good.

01:34:37.000 It matters a lot because.

01:34:38.000 I believe the money that you normally would be taxing those people, forget about even taxing them.

01:34:42.000 It's not Social Security or Medicaid, but it's cash.

01:34:43.000 Forget about even taxing them more.

01:34:45.000 Look, the problem I have if we're talking about Medicaid, right?

01:34:48.000 And I'll just go to, for example, someone who gets sick, who lost their medical coverage, okay, who didn't qualify for Medicaid.

01:34:55.000 What happens when they get sick?

01:34:57.000 When they get really sick, when they can't afford their insulin as an example.

01:35:01.000 What do they do?

01:35:02.000 They'll go to the emergency room.

01:35:04.000 They go to the emergency room.

01:35:05.000 What happens?

01:35:06.000 The hospital has to take care of them if they need some sort of.

01:35:10.000 And yes, I think it's life saving care if you need insulin and you can't.

01:35:13.000 And it increases costs for everybody else.

01:35:14.000 Yes, that's my point.

01:35:16.000 Right.

01:35:16.000 Well, nobody wants to let people just die.

01:35:20.000 Right?

01:35:20.000 Like, at no rational.

01:35:22.000 You know, I always say.

01:35:23.000 I think there's people in this country that do.

01:35:23.000 I disagree.

01:35:25.000 I think we're the cure to cancer, but I guarantee you.

01:35:28.000 I guarantee you this.

01:35:29.000 You can take.

01:35:29.000 What?

01:35:30.000 Okay, guys. 1.00

01:35:31.000 I guarantee you, you can take the staunchest of suit wearing conservative pro life Christian pastor guy, and you can take the gayest, you know, flamboyantest trans person. 0.54

01:35:41.000 And if they are both looking at somebody who runs up to a hospital bleeding, They will both try to help that person. 0.92

01:35:46.000 I don't disagree with that.

01:35:47.000 And so the issue that we have is not, I think the challenge that we have here's the problem I have with the left and liberals.

01:35:57.000 We're smarter.

01:35:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:01.000 There's a reason why nine million Obama voters switched to Donald Trump in 2016, because it's not that you're smarter.

01:36:05.000 It's not that the liberal left is smarter.

01:36:07.000 In fact, I think it's quite the inverse.

01:36:09.000 I think there was a period where the right was very much in lockstep and out of touch.

01:36:14.000 And I think that inverted.

01:36:15.000 When I was younger, The right seemed to be out of touch.

01:36:18.000 Then, around the Trump era, the liberals started adopting policies that were incongruous with reality.

01:36:24.000 And now we're at a point where they say things like tax the rich, but taxing the rich, even at 100%, doesn't pay for anything.

01:36:30.000 But Phil just said something because he thought what I said was ridiculous I believe we have some diseases in this country where I think there is a cure.

01:36:38.000 And the reason why it's not out there is because it's such a huge business. 0.88

01:36:42.000 And I'll give you an example because Phil just said what I said is ridiculous.

01:36:45.000 So now let me just explain something to the musician here, real quickly.

01:36:49.000 So, Phil, you didn't school me on anything.

01:36:54.000 I'm a type 1 diabetic.

01:36:55.000 I know that they've had this for 15 years.

01:36:58.000 They've injected beta cells into monkeys that can recreate a pancreas.

01:37:01.000 If you know, if a diabetic, you know, their pancreas doesn't work, they can't secrete insulin.

01:37:06.000 They could have this out there right now.

01:37:09.000 And the reason why they don't, and I have spoken to brilliant doctors that know all about these studies.

01:37:14.000 The reason why it's not out there is because it's such a huge business, whether we're talking about insulin or testing strips or insulin pumps.

01:37:23.000 It's a huge business for this field.

01:37:26.000 And yes, I do believe there are people in this country that do have cures for certain diseases.

01:37:31.000 And the reason why it's not out there is because of greed.

01:37:34.000 And money.

01:37:34.000 And that is not a ridiculous thing.

01:37:36.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:37:37.000 Tim, do you disagree with that?

01:37:38.000 You're correct.

01:37:39.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:37:40.000 You're ridiculous. 0.99

01:37:41.000 These pharmaceutical companies have begun to treat. 1.00

01:37:42.000 I just schooled you, Phil.

01:37:43.000 Hold on.

01:37:43.000 Pharmaceutical companies have preferred to treat symptoms instead of diseases because they can make lifelong customers.

01:37:48.000 My question for you is this treatment, how much would it cost for you to get?

01:37:54.000 Like, if we could buy it right now?

01:37:55.000 Oh, well, obviously, I would imagine it wouldn't be cheap, but here's the thing.

01:37:59.000 But people would have the option of buying it.

01:38:01.000 Here's the caveat.

01:38:02.000 So, Tim, at least 15, 20 years ago, they started.

01:38:05.000 Testing out these insulin pumps where it tells you what your blood sugar is at all times.

01:38:10.000 And everyone made that same argument.

01:38:11.000 Oh, this is good.

01:38:12.000 And when it first came out, Tim, extremely expensive.

01:38:15.000 Now they're extremely cheap.

01:38:17.000 But my argument is this you should have the choice to pay the million dollars to cure yourself of diabetes.

01:38:22.000 I believe the pharmaceutical companies withhold this because, like, here's what happens.

01:38:26.000 A pharmaceutical company says, look, we found this genetic treatment that will basically cure.

01:38:32.000 Correct me.

01:38:33.000 Type one is like you were born with it, right?

01:38:35.000 I wasn't born with it, but it was hereditary.

01:38:37.000 I got it number six.

01:38:38.000 It's not like you.

01:38:39.000 You gorged yourself and were ill.

01:38:40.000 No, I'm not Donald Trump.

01:38:41.000 Okay.

01:38:41.000 Go ahead.

01:38:42.000 So, anyway, the pharmaceutical hates this is the mentality of the pharmaceuticals.

01:38:46.000 Okay.

01:38:46.000 It was just a joke.

01:38:47.000 Okay.

01:38:48.000 Here's the mentality of the pharmaceutical companies.

01:38:49.000 They say, we could release this cure.

01:38:52.000 It's going to cost $5 million to cure.

01:38:54.000 It's a crazy genetic treatment. 0.60

01:38:55.000 Right.

01:38:56.000 Then someone's going to go, you know, if we make that available, they're going to vote that we have to make it cheap.

01:39:01.000 And they're going to go, okay, then don't make it available.

01:39:03.000 Yeah.

01:39:04.000 So, pharmaceutical companies, look, guys, and I'm going to tell you this like, it's so bad.

01:39:09.000 A lot of Trump supporters, a lot of mega guys are going to be like, you've got it.

01:39:12.000 They hate the pharmaceutical companies.

01:39:13.000 They all rip everybody off. 0.99

01:39:15.000 I hate them all.

01:39:16.000 He did say we have a 1,500% decrease in physical drugs. 0.95

01:39:21.000 You know what it is?

01:39:22.000 There's two things.

01:39:23.000 These pharmaceutical companies are big media buyers and big political donors.

01:39:27.000 Nobody wants to cross them.

01:39:27.000 Correct.

01:39:28.000 I agree with you 100%.

01:39:30.000 And that's part of what I'm trying to say here. 0.55

01:39:32.000 It's corrupt.

01:39:32.000 I think we all could agree.

01:39:33.000 This is a general populist message that both sides agree with.

01:39:36.000 You might agree.

01:39:36.000 That's why I like Jenk Ueger when he's like, guys, can we just do this?

01:39:39.000 Like the left and the right can just raise figurative political pitchforks against the pharmaceutical companies and say, Stop.

01:39:45.000 Except you might make the argument that letting people live forever, if everyone lived forever, that might implode.

01:39:51.000 Like if all of a sudden all our life expectancies was 200 years old, our entire human race might implode on itself.

01:39:56.000 People are having problems with their blood sugars and their diabetics, and think in the long run it costs America more money with all the health issues that come with it, whether it's eye issues or blood circulation.

01:40:07.000 I understand what Tim is saying, and he's right.

01:40:09.000 You know, I mean, you come out with something that's really expensive, they still wouldn't do it.

01:40:12.000 But the only point that I was trying to make to Phil, which is, I think, a pretty simple one, is that yes.

01:40:17.000 Not every disease, but there are a lot of diseases out there where there are cures.

01:40:21.000 It's just people, utilitarian arguments.

01:40:24.000 A lot of America now is suffering from not just like you, your issue is hereditary, like you said, right?

01:40:30.000 Correct.

01:40:31.000 But there's a lot of America that's just simply unhealthy.

01:40:31.000 Yep.

01:40:34.000 Oh, of course.

01:40:35.000 Two thirds of the country right now is comorbidity.

01:40:36.000 How do you combat that?

01:40:37.000 And that's not even.

01:40:39.000 It's culture.

01:40:40.000 It is culture.

01:40:41.000 And that's.

01:40:42.000 We know I agree.

01:40:43.000 We got to go to Rumble Ranch.

01:40:44.000 We agree on something today.

01:40:45.000 Guys, guys, guys, guys, we got to go to Rumble Ranch and Super Chats, the uncensored portion of the show.

01:40:49.000 Oh boy, it's going to be at 10 at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.

01:40:54.000 Guys, if you become a member at timcast.com and join the Discord server, you can call in and talk to our guests, which I'm sure they're very excited to talk about.

01:41:02.000 But I'm going to read your guys's chat.

01:41:03.000 Bill's really looking forward to that.

01:41:04.000 I know it.

01:41:05.000 So this one's important because this one just came in and it's about what we just said.

01:41:08.000 Jacob Williams says, Tim, you are 100% wrong that these people stand on the same moral framework.

01:41:12.000 During COVID, these people said that if you were unvaxxed, they should not get treatment.

01:41:16.000 They do not share the same morals.

01:41:18.000 I'm certainly not talking about that.

01:41:20.000 I'm talking about a general complaint among the populist left and right.

01:41:24.000 That pharmaceuticals intentionally do not release cures because they would rather have sickly permanent customers.

01:41:30.000 You will hear that same conversation from the Young Turks and Hassan as you will from, you know, Charlie Kirk or Steven Crowder. 0.65

01:41:37.000 Like, now you will have different economic arguments and libertarian arguments, but everybody kind of agrees yeah, they're intentionally not curing disease anymore. 0.97

01:41:46.000 They're turning us into subscribers.

01:41:47.000 Right.

01:41:48.000 That's exactly the point I was trying to make.

01:41:50.000 I agree that the left was like, get your vaccine.

01:41:53.000 Well, I never thought they should have been.

01:41:55.000 Mandatory or mandated, excuse me.

01:41:57.000 I almost died of COVID.

01:41:59.000 I was in the ICU for two weeks.

01:42:00.000 This was before the vaccines came out.

01:42:01.000 Did they give you a ventilator?

01:42:03.000 They wanted to.

01:42:04.000 I said absolutely not.

01:42:05.000 So I don't know if you guys want to hear the sob story, but let me just tell you because the data that's come out now is the ventilators actually were killing people.

01:42:12.000 I agree.

01:42:13.000 100%.

01:42:13.000 You tried to increase airflow, but it was the bloodstream.

01:42:16.000 This is a crazy story.

01:42:18.000 This is crazy and it has to do with the ventilator.

01:42:18.000 Okay.

01:42:23.000 I thought I had the flu.

01:42:24.000 I did my show.

01:42:25.000 I got checked.

01:42:25.000 I left.

01:42:26.000 I've got COVID.

01:42:26.000 Okay.

01:42:27.000 This was before the vaccines came out.

01:42:29.000 Tested positive.

01:42:30.000 I stayed home for a week.

01:42:31.000 I never slept worse in my life, like two hours of sleep, and had a fever.

01:42:35.000 And a week passes, and I made the mistake.

01:42:37.000 I didn't go to the doctor, and I should have.

01:42:39.000 I thought I could just sleep it off.

01:42:40.000 I had no idea how serious this was.

01:42:41.000 I get up to go to the restroom, and I was having trouble breathing.

01:42:43.000 A friend of mine comes over.

01:42:44.000 She checks my oxygen levels.

01:42:46.000 It was like 80%.

01:42:47.000 Wow. 0.61

01:42:48.000 Definitely.

01:42:48.000 Paramedics come and get me, and they say, You're going to be in the hospital for a while.

01:42:52.000 I called a friend of mine who's a, thank God, she's a really smart doctor.

01:42:56.000 And she told me, She said, Don't let them give you a ventilator.

01:42:59.000 She knew.

01:43:01.000 And when I was talking to the doctors in the ICU, they were considering it.

01:43:06.000 And I said, absolutely not.

01:43:08.000 I don't know if they would have given it to me or not.

01:43:09.000 They gave me Rendesivir.

01:43:11.000 But I will say this you know, I saw people die in the hospital.

01:43:15.000 It was, I didn't think I was going to make it.

01:43:17.000 And then when the vaccines came out, I got vaccinated and got COVID two or three times after that.

01:43:22.000 And it was like the sniffles.

01:43:23.000 And so I had a conversation with you earlier about this.

01:43:28.000 I never thought they should have been.

01:43:29.000 Thank you.

01:43:30.000 I appreciate that.

01:43:31.000 I never thought that the vaccine should have been mandated.

01:43:34.000 I've been very consistent on that.

01:43:36.000 I think it's a personal decision that you make with your doctor.

01:43:39.000 If you're a physician who knows your medical history, you guys make a determination, and I'm cool with that.

01:43:45.000 But when we were losing 4,000 to 5,000 people a day, I didn't have problems with things shutting down.

01:43:51.000 I think 70,000 people in a stadium watching a Raiders game when we were losing 5,000 people a day probably would have been inappropriate.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:43:59.000 Let me.

01:44:00.000 I'll just finish your point real quick.

01:44:01.000 I also understand that people lost their businesses.

01:44:04.000 There were no winners here.

01:44:05.000 It was horrible.

01:44:06.000 I want to say one thing before we get to some of the chats, just real quick.

01:44:09.000 I want to try and get as many as we can.

01:44:09.000 Sorry, I'm on a ramp.

01:44:11.000 But a new study came out, it was released at the end of April, that found that the mRNA vaccines didn't stay localized.

01:44:17.000 And if they got into your liver, it made you more susceptible to COVID.

01:44:22.000 So some people were saying that they believe the vaccines were causing long COVID.

01:44:26.000 Maybe.

01:44:27.000 This study, it's nature.com.

01:44:28.000 They said that when the mRNA gets in your muscles, it increases immunity.

01:44:33.000 If it hits your white blood cells, it can be middle of the road.

01:44:36.000 It might damage your immune system.

01:44:37.000 It might Misinformation was getting out.

01:44:39.000 When it got into your liver, and this is from this year, this is from a couple months ago.

01:44:43.000 If it gets in your liver, it tells your body to tolerate the spike protein.

01:44:47.000 So it allowed COVID to propagate before.

01:44:49.000 So people were getting really, really sick, and it is believed.

01:44:52.000 But I do have to say this.

01:44:52.000 Sure.

01:44:53.000 First, Brian, it's one to one right now.

01:44:57.000 The hockey game.

01:44:58.000 Vegas, Golden Knights.

01:44:59.000 Indeed.

01:44:59.000 And Astro Fox says, I can forgive Brian's incredibly horrible takes, but missing a Knights game in the middle of the Stanley Cup, Vegas local card revoked.

01:45:10.000 Yeah, well, first of all, he doesn't know what he's talking about because that wasn't a home game.

01:45:13.000 It's actually on the road against Carolina.

01:45:15.000 You dope.

01:45:15.000 Oh, two to one.

01:45:17.000 Snap.

01:45:17.000 Shapiro with the goal.

01:45:18.000 You were just there at one of the games.

01:45:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:45:21.000 I went to both the games, you clown. 0.99

01:45:22.000 Whoever said that. 0.97

01:45:24.000 And you were trying to get me to go to one too, right?

01:45:27.000 I was going to get your whole crew in, man.

01:45:29.000 That's right.

01:45:29.000 You're so close.

01:45:30.000 Daniel Negrano has 16 season tickets, I think, you know, but I also know some people.

01:45:34.000 So you can offer those tickets.

01:45:35.000 I would even invite Phil.

01:45:36.000 I would, Phil.

01:45:37.000 I wouldn't go.

01:45:37.000 I would have a beer with you.

01:45:38.000 You wouldn't go to a stage?

01:45:39.000 I got to go.

01:45:40.000 I'm back from tour and I got a kid at home.

01:45:40.000 Phil is so mean.

01:45:42.000 I got to stay.

01:45:43.000 Oh, I thought it was because of you.

01:45:44.000 I would invite Phil.

01:45:46.000 I'm actually a nice guy.

01:45:47.000 Not such a bad guy.

01:45:47.000 All right.

01:45:48.000 You ready for these, Brian?

01:45:48.000 All right.

01:45:50.000 Let's do it. 1.00

01:45:50.000 David Flora says Brian is a cuck simp who invokes his debate opponent's deceased child with crocodile tears because he's a dirty grifter. 1.00

01:45:57.000 Brian and his ilk are why this nation is failing. 1.00

01:45:59.000 Who do I cuck for? 0.95

01:46:01.000 Who do I cuck for?

01:46:01.000 Name me a name.

01:46:03.000 I don't know.

01:46:04.000 Joshua says 86 Shapiro.

01:46:06.000 It sounded like it wasn't Crocodile tears.

01:46:07.000 It didn't be the first time, bro.

01:46:09.000 I don't cuck for the Democrats.

01:46:09.000 Who do I cuck for?

01:46:11.000 I'm not a Democrat. 0.97

01:46:11.000 In fact, I've been called a racist lately because I called out Kamala Harris, and I think we're all screwed if Kamala runs again. 0.97

01:46:17.000 I got to be honest. 0.99

01:46:18.000 Democrats are racist. 1.00

01:46:18.000 Who do I cuck for? 1.00

01:46:19.000 Hey, look, look, you know, and Republicans aren't. 0.97

01:46:24.000 I've met more racist Democrats than I have Republicans.

01:46:26.000 I agree.

01:46:26.000 I completely agree.

01:46:27.000 Okay.

01:46:28.000 Make those faces, but hey, are you going to?

01:46:28.000 Like my whole life.

01:46:30.000 I think there are racists everywhere.

01:46:32.000 I think there are racists everywhere.

01:46:34.000 The people that I've experienced racism from are people that supported people.

01:46:37.000 The one party who says systemic racism doesn't exist.

01:46:40.000 Excuse me, sir, black man, can you please defer to the white man's experience for a second?

01:46:43.000 No, he's telling me who I should think is racist, right?

01:46:46.000 The one party that says systemic racism doesn't exist.

01:46:48.000 From the party that said, you ain't black if you don't vote Democrat.

01:46:50.000 Joe Biden apologized for the next day.

01:46:52.000 I don't care if you apologize.

01:46:53.000 You don't care if somebody admits they're wrong about something?

01:46:55.000 Well, I mean, he said it.

01:46:57.000 Hold on.

01:46:57.000 Well, wait, wait, hold on.

01:46:58.000 His point was he experienced racism more from them, and he apologized.

01:47:02.000 That doesn't change the fact that he experienced it from them.

01:47:03.000 Yeah.

01:47:04.000 So I agree with him. 0.52

01:47:05.000 I've experienced one of the most racist things in this company is pushed by the Democratic Party, and we know that's abortion.

01:47:11.000 The most racist thing.

01:47:12.000 You think abortion is racist?

01:47:13.000 Yes.

01:47:14.000 Do you know who a woman by the name of Margaret Sanger is?

01:47:17.000 Brian, do you know what the 1340 is?

01:47:17.000 Wait, wait.

01:47:19.000 Yes, I do. 0.95

01:47:20.000 Despite making up 13% of the population, black babies account for 40% of the abortions. 1.00

01:47:24.000 I understand that.

01:47:26.000 You understand that, and you still don't say that it's not racist?

01:47:28.000 My opinion, I don't understand.

01:47:29.000 Margaret Sanger said this.

01:47:30.000 Listen, Margaret Sanger said this.

01:47:32.000 The founder of Planned Parenthood, the organization that all these people get out on the streets and chant for, you probably support it.

01:47:38.000 She said this.

01:47:39.000 It is my job. 0.99

01:47:40.000 I don't want the word to get out that I want to exterminate the Negro population. 1.00

01:47:43.000 But a good way to do that would be through the black preacher. 0.99

01:47:46.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:47:47.000 No, no, no, no.

01:47:48.000 So you're telling me that's not racist?

01:47:49.000 I don't think you know what I support, so I'll explain it to you.

01:47:51.000 I'm asking you, is that racist?

01:47:51.000 No, no, no.

01:47:52.000 You said you just thought I support slavery.

01:47:55.000 Is that racist?

01:47:56.000 What the founder of Planned Parenthood said.

01:47:58.000 I don't think.

01:47:58.000 You're not going to answer the question.

01:48:00.000 I don't think.

01:48:01.000 I'm not answering it.

01:48:01.000 You're not letting me.

01:48:02.000 It's a yes or no question.

01:48:03.000 I don't know who that individual is.

01:48:05.000 I could see why some people are.

01:48:06.000 Arvid Sanger is the founder of Planetary and the place where they destroy babies.

01:48:09.000 I could see how some people could construe that as racist.

01:48:12.000 Construe that as racist?

01:48:13.000 Bro, give me a break.

01:48:14.000 Hold on, my debate is going to be.

01:48:15.000 I'm not familiar with that quote.

01:48:17.000 I can't answer to it.

01:48:17.000 Well, that's what I meant to say, obviously.

01:48:20.000 I misspoke.

01:48:20.000 But here's what I will say I don't think it's racist for somebody like myself to say that I don't want to tell women what to do with their bodies.

01:48:30.000 What are you telling them to do with their bodies?

01:48:31.000 Now I understand.

01:48:33.000 86 a baby, right?

01:48:34.000 Guys, guys.

01:48:35.000 I want to get more questions and comments.

01:48:36.000 Why are you shaking your face?

01:48:38.000 Hey, listen, man.

01:48:39.000 Are you shaking your baby?

01:48:40.000 That's like a serious breastplate?

01:48:42.000 It's very easy to fall into longer debates.

01:48:44.000 We have a lot of super chats in the couple rants.

01:48:46.000 And they're mostly just insulting Brian, so I feel bad.

01:48:49.000 Watch out for the ad hominems. 0.99

01:48:50.000 And with all due respect, I do.

01:48:51.000 I can't.

01:48:53.000 I want to try and get on this.

01:48:53.000 I'm sorry.

01:48:54.000 Fake facts.

01:48:55.000 Something you can't spell.

01:48:56.000 I want to say this.

01:48:57.000 I'm not going to read every single insult, but it would be unfair to have paid money.

01:49:00.000 I don't mind.

01:49:01.000 I'm not like Donald Trump.

01:49:02.000 I don't have thin skin.

01:49:03.000 By the way, my skin's not leaving my body either.

01:49:05.000 This one I actually think is pretty good.

01:49:07.000 Joshua says, Charlie Kirk had more integrity in his left nut than Brian's entire bloodline.

01:49:11.000 Okay.

01:49:11.000 Yeah.

01:49:12.000 It's a good rip.

01:49:13.000 It's a good rip.

01:49:16.000 Let's see.

01:49:17.000 I have no comment for that one.

01:49:18.000 Both my thoughts.

01:49:18.000 We actually need to discuss Carmella.

01:49:21.000 We'll do the Carmella discussion and censored portion.

01:49:22.000 I would love to, yes.

01:49:24.000 Let's see.

01:49:25.000 Miner says, Brian is my favorite misogynist. 0.99

01:49:27.000 I wish I could tell women to shut up and make me a sandwich in public. 1.00

01:49:30.000 Truly a hero. 1.00

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 I don't know if that's archaic.

01:49:33.000 I would gladly poison a sandwich for him.

01:49:35.000 I think they might be serious.

01:49:37.000 Because there are a couple of comments where they thought it was funny that you told Rachel to make a sandwich.

01:49:40.000 I did, actually.

01:49:41.000 Oh, but can I just say why I said that?

01:49:43.000 No.

01:49:43.000 Because it was in the context of.

01:49:45.000 You told somebody to make a sandwich?

01:49:47.000 I'm trying to explain it.

01:49:48.000 If you could just let me finish.

01:49:49.000 Stop being racist.

01:49:50.000 No. 0.96

01:49:51.000 So please, let the white man talk. 0.98

01:49:53.000 Stop being racist. 0.98

01:49:55.000 So if you.

01:49:56.000 So you feel like that, Joe. 0.95

01:49:57.000 You're red. 0.98

01:49:58.000 No, I said that.

01:49:59.000 Tim, because I was doing the context of pretend like I'm Andrew Wilson and go make a sandwich.

01:50:03.000 I said that to actually, to start the debate.

01:50:05.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm making a joke.

01:50:09.000 I wouldn't care if you actually did.

01:50:11.000 It was clear in the debate you're making a point.

01:50:12.000 I'm making a joke. 0.95

01:50:13.000 Yeah, and I'm making a point that your husband is a misogynist. 0.96

01:50:16.000 I'll say that right now. 1.00

01:50:17.000 Andrew Wilson is a dad bod, misogynist piece of human scum, a fake Christian. 1.00

01:50:21.000 I don't want to drag him into this, but I just think you just did. 1.00

01:50:23.000 Are conservatives upset that you made a joke telling women to get a sandwich?

01:50:26.000 Well, tell your conservative who's listening to the show to go F himself.

01:50:29.000 Here we go.

01:50:30.000 Swanson says, Brian, I'm a welder.

01:50:30.000 Here we go.

01:50:31.000 I make $25 an hour.

01:50:33.000 Bring home 4K a month and I lived perfectly fine.

01:50:35.000 I have a 2,000 town car low miles and a 99 F 150.

01:50:40.000 Gas is 309 here in Chattanooga.

01:50:42.000 Quit whining. 1.00

01:50:43.000 It's not just about what you pay for gas in your city, you Trump mushroom gobbling idiot. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Well, guess what? 1.00

01:50:48.000 Okay, it's about throughout the entire country.

01:50:50.000 Okay, the national average.

01:50:52.000 Hold on a second.

01:50:53.000 I hate to insult you. 1.00

01:50:54.000 Well, I'm insulting him because he's an ignorant fool. 1.00

01:50:57.000 Just because you pay $3.09 a gallon doesn't mean everybody else is fine and they're paying $3.09 a gallon, you fool. 1.00

01:51:05.000 The average price of gas is $4.60. 0.97

01:51:07.000 Or $4.55.

01:51:09.000 I hate this argument.

01:51:10.000 Hey, Brian, I'm only paying $2.85 a gallon. 0.98

01:51:14.000 Yeah, you dope.

01:51:15.000 That's in your city.

01:51:16.000 We're talking about the national average.

01:51:18.000 The problem with MAGA supporters and my biggest criticism is they only see life through their own lens, not through other people.

01:51:24.000 We're talking about the national average.

01:51:26.000 Of course, you can find cities where gas prices are cheap.

01:51:29.000 But that's how I view liberals.

01:51:31.000 I mean, people still want to come to America, even though it's all so bad right now.

01:51:36.000 When I, like, I was talking to somebody.

01:51:41.000 I was telling you the story before the show that I had liberal friends in California, and they were telling me that they thought all Trump supporters were racist.

01:51:48.000 They thought it was just white supremacists.

01:51:49.000 Not you. 0.55

01:51:50.000 And I had to explain to them Just this guy's racist story.

01:51:54.000 There's working class dudes in the suburbs of New York or whatever, and they were Bernie supporters, and Bernie got knocked out, and they're going for Trump.

01:52:02.000 They're not white supremacists.

01:52:04.000 They want the candidate who says, bring the jobs back. 0.65

01:52:06.000 They want the candidate who says, stop the illegal immigration.

01:52:09.000 Bernie agreed, and Trump agreed.

01:52:11.000 TPP.

01:52:12.000 What I see now with most liberals is they don't try to understand the worldview and ideologies of the right.

01:52:19.000 There's the old trope that the right thinks the left is misguided, the left thinks the right is evil.

01:52:24.000 We're very divided.

01:52:27.000 We've actually found in these studies, I think this is Jonathan Hyde's research.

01:52:31.000 I could be wrong.

01:52:32.000 The right, when asked questions about what the other political ideology believes, the right conservatives get it correct.

01:52:42.000 They say, What do liberals think about this issue?

01:52:44.000 They are correct.

01:52:45.000 When liberals are asked, what do conservatives think?

01:52:47.000 They get it wrong.

01:52:48.000 That's what the study bears out.

01:52:50.000 So, my view tends to be that I don't think the default liberal, that's the term for your average person who just, you know, they're not into politics, but they'll vote Democrat.

01:52:58.000 They live in a city.

01:52:59.000 They want what's best for people, they want what's good, but they don't bother to ask why someone would vote for Trump.

01:53:05.000 They tend just to listen to the proselytizers and then vote Democrat.

01:53:09.000 I mean, I try to ask people, I try to figure out why people still support at this time Donald Trump.

01:53:16.000 I try to ask people, what were Kamala's policies that you hated so much?

01:53:19.000 Listen, the Democrat Party has a lot of issues.

01:53:22.000 I would be the first one.

01:53:24.000 To admit that.

01:53:25.000 And their messaging was terrible. 0.88

01:53:27.000 Joe Biden, you know, Kamala Harris only had three months to campaign. 0.96

01:53:31.000 There should have been a primary.

01:53:33.000 I've criticized Democrats a lot.

01:53:36.000 But at the same time, when I ask Trump supporters on a daily basis and have conversations with them, it's usually just immigration.

01:53:44.000 I say, what has he done for the economy?

01:53:45.000 What is it?

01:53:46.000 You know, I bring up a lot of different issues.

01:53:48.000 But people are single issue voters.

01:53:50.000 Unfortunately, yes. 0.67

01:53:51.000 There's going to be different ways to support some sycophants.

01:53:51.000 I agree with you.

01:53:54.000 I want some more insults.

01:53:55.000 Sorry, Ian.

01:53:56.000 Okay, here's David B. Gooch, 86 Brian Shapiro, Doc Holiday, Leprechaun Cast IRL.

01:54:04.000 That's actually very funny.

01:54:05.000 Stay free. 1.00

01:54:06.000 The little ginger is way too annoying. 0.96

01:54:09.000 There's a whole lot of super chats that are like, get him, Phil, get him, Phil.

01:54:12.000 Do I get a percentage, Elizabeth?

01:54:13.000 Can I get a percentage?

01:54:15.000 Hold on a second.

01:54:15.000 Oh, wait.

01:54:17.000 Let's go ahead.

01:54:18.000 We got this from relatively objective.

01:54:18.000 Let's grab this.

01:54:20.000 He says Comey's seashells were not a threat because nobody believes he would personally do anything.

01:54:25.000 They were Tweedledee and Tweedledum calls to violence, though.

01:54:27.000 So, I disagree.

01:54:29.000 So, the concept of a tweedledee tweedledum threat is, are you familiar?

01:54:33.000 I am, and I still disagree with that.

01:54:36.000 Listen, there's a lot of people that say that term.

01:54:41.000 I don't see it as a threat. 1.00

01:54:42.000 Well, I coined it, and it's true.

01:54:43.000 Yeah, but I don't think most reasonable people would see what Comey did as a legitimate threat in any way or some way.

01:54:51.000 But it's the.

01:54:53.000 I don't think he'll be prosecuted or found guilty.

01:54:56.000 No, I don't disagree with that.

01:54:56.000 I don't think he'll be.

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:54:58.000 So, don't think the case is strong enough.

01:55:01.000 I wonder if you've ever experienced something like this, because I bet you have, where what we've experienced, like with Charlie Kirk, is a good example.

01:55:07.000 Yeah. 0.78

01:55:08.000 Someone, one person stands up and says, Nazis should all be murdered on the spot. 0.90

01:55:14.000 And, well, when you say anybody should be murdered, that's, I'm sorry, go ahead. 0.95

01:55:18.000 That's free speech.

01:55:19.000 You did not direct a threat.

01:55:20.000 There's no imminent threat to violence.

01:55:21.000 Well, when you say somebody should be murdered, I think that crosses a gray area. 0.97

01:55:26.000 Personally, morally, in the legal sense, you are allowed to stand in a street corner and say, all Nazis should be killed on the spot. 0.96

01:55:33.000 That's free speech. 0.97

01:55:34.000 The guy standing next to you then points at you and goes, Nazi. 1.00

01:55:34.000 Correct. 1.00

01:55:38.000 Both of those people have engaged in protected speech.

01:55:41.000 Neither has created an imminent threat, but their statements combined turn into someone saying Nazi should be killed and there's a Nazi.

01:55:49.000 But because each individual only said two different parts of it, that's the tweetledum death threat.

01:55:54.000 I understand that point, but I think we all could agree here.

01:55:57.000 If Comey wasn't a political opponent in some aspect, or if there weren't personal issues between Trump and Comey, He would not have been arrested.

01:56:05.000 That's correct.

01:56:07.000 And that's wrong.

01:56:08.000 There's two ways to look at it.

01:56:08.000 No, hold on.

01:56:09.000 The reason why Todd Blanch is saying this is a threat is because of the weight behind Comey's statement 86.

01:56:15.000 Is that the way the law applies?

01:56:17.000 Yes.

01:56:18.000 Yes, it is.

01:56:19.000 So if Comey puts out on seashells this term and then somebody like me or you puts out something along those lines, there's more weight to Comey doing it.

01:56:28.000 He's no longer working in government.

01:56:30.000 He's no longer.

01:56:31.000 Intent matters.

01:56:33.000 So means is a component of committing a crime.

01:56:36.000 Do you have the means?

01:56:37.000 If a fat guy sitting in a chair who never left his house is 86, 47, then Blanche literally said, That's not a threat.

01:56:43.000 When a guy holding a gun and pointing it says it, it is.

01:56:43.000 Tim, here's the point.

01:56:46.000 One point that I want to bring up, though, you just said that Comey shouldn't be held to a different standard because he's.

01:56:53.000 I think everybody should be held to the same standard.

01:56:54.000 So you made the exact opposite argument about Donald Trump earlier.

01:56:57.000 What do you mean?

01:56:58.000 Because you said, oh, do you think it's okay for the president of the United States to do this?

01:57:02.000 You were making that.

01:57:03.000 You were referring to what?

01:57:04.000 You were talking about him being a bad person.

01:57:04.000 Help me out.

01:57:06.000 You're okay with the president.

01:57:07.000 I'm not talking about.

01:57:08.000 I wasn't talking about law.

01:57:10.000 Okay, so you said.

01:57:10.000 I wasn't talking about breaking the law.

01:57:12.000 Let me just explain.

01:57:12.000 No, no, hold on.

01:57:13.000 Let me explain to you.

01:57:15.000 In that context, I wasn't talking about the law.

01:57:17.000 I do believe the law should be applied to everyone equally.

01:57:20.000 What I'm talking about is setting the example based on his behavior, the things he says, the things he does.

01:57:25.000 Behavior, Phil, not the law.

01:57:27.000 I do believe the law should be applied equally, whether it's you, me, or the president.

01:57:30.000 That's the difference.

01:57:31.000 I want to get to the leadership thing.

01:57:33.000 I'm sorry to cut these short because we're trying to get to the show.

01:57:36.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:57:37.000 I do have to say one quick thing before we get into the Super Chat.

01:57:37.000 Sorry.

01:57:40.000 Carolina's three.

01:57:42.000 Tonight's one.

01:57:42.000 They're up two.

01:57:43.000 They're up 3 1.

01:57:44.000 It's 3 1, Carolina.

01:57:45.000 Dan Underground is not going to be here.

01:57:46.000 Oh, man.

01:57:47.000 All right.

01:57:47.000 We got this from this is your captain.

01:57:49.000 As an airline pilot, I'd like to point out the Atlas Air Cargo crash.

01:57:49.000 False.

01:57:54.000 A black pilot who had been pushed through training and eventually crashed a plane, instructor had warned the company.

01:58:01.000 He was pushed through training.

01:58:02.000 I'd love to see evidence of how many hours of training he got compared to a white pilot. 0.90

01:58:07.000 Pushed through training. 0.92

01:58:08.000 Please be specific.

01:58:09.000 Send him another $5, please.

01:58:11.000 Please be specific and tell me where is your evidence that he was, quote, pushed through training.

01:58:16.000 By the way, there's no evidence anywhere that I've seen that if you're black, you didn't get the same hours of training that somebody white had.

01:58:24.000 It's the same standard of training.

01:58:25.000 Now, if you're talking about DEI hires and other categories, that's different.

01:58:29.000 I'm specifically talking about pilots flying planes.

01:58:33.000 So it's like, come on, man.

01:58:35.000 I mean, what you're saying, DEI hires, it's possible, like conceivable, that someone that was a pilot was hired because of their, that someone was overlooked, like a person of a different race, and that overlooked because they needed to fill a quota.

01:58:50.000 That's completely conceivable.

01:58:51.000 We're talking about, that literally exists.

01:58:53.000 We're talking about pilots that are, okay, we're talking about pilots right now, right?

01:58:58.000 In that context, there is no evidence.

01:59:01.000 That I've ever seen.

01:59:02.000 Oh, this is, I factored, this is true. 0.99

01:59:04.000 That a black pilot didn't get the appropriate amount of training that a white pilot got, and he was hired. 0.98

01:59:09.000 He had a poor training record, but was confirmed for qualification. 0.89

01:59:14.000 That's different.

01:59:15.000 And responsible for the, well, the argument is that the company wanted to get a minority pilot through, so even though he shouldn't have qualified, they were going to do it anyway. 0.71

01:59:24.000 If that's true, where they did it because he was black.

01:59:27.000 Let me, if that's true, and they put a black pilot in there that was. 0.74

01:59:31.000 Unqualified for the position, and that's why the plane crash there would be a huge lawsuit.

01:59:36.000 Huge, no instructors had warned the company saying that his training record was horrible, but was this fought in the courtroom in any way, shape, or form?

01:59:43.000 I'm reading it right now because it was 2019.

01:59:45.000 It actually does because that would mean that something happened, though.

01:59:47.000 I mean, it happened though, it's just an allegation, it's just a claim.

01:59:50.000 Well, now you're right, or was it substantiated in a courtroom?

01:59:52.000 What's the guy's name?

01:59:53.000 Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's multiple people said that, okay? 0.57

01:59:56.000 Well, a lot of multiple people say a lot of stupid things, so what multiple people have said that actually. 0.91

02:00:03.000 Were the instructors. 0.99

02:00:04.000 We're talking about millions and millions of dollars. 1.00

02:00:06.000 If a black pilot. 1.00

02:00:07.000 They settled, but settlements are private. 0.86

02:00:09.000 Okay, I'd love to know the evidence that was provided in that this pilot was hired and that's why there was a.

02:00:15.000 Okay, that's why there was a.

02:00:16.000 I don't know, you'll have to look it up.

02:00:17.000 There was a wrongful death lawsuit.

02:00:18.000 There was a wrongful death lawsuit. 0.73

02:00:19.000 There's a lot of plane crashes where white pilots that have been.

02:00:23.000 The jump seat passenger filed a lawsuit.

02:00:25.000 The settlement claims are not publicized.

02:00:28.000 There were several wrongful death, no criminal charges, however.

02:00:32.000 Do you support DEI hires?

02:00:35.000 Do I support?

02:00:36.000 So I would consider.

02:00:36.000 No.

02:00:40.000 I'll give you some DEI hires.

02:00:41.000 You ready for this?

02:00:42.000 No, no, no.

02:00:43.000 Yeah.

02:00:43.000 Christine Owen is a DEI hire.

02:00:45.000 I think that the former leader of the FBI is a DEI hire.

02:00:48.000 Kash Patel is a DEI hire.

02:00:50.000 John F. Kennedy, you're talking about conservatives.

02:00:54.000 He's a DEI hire.

02:00:56.000 I don't support somebody hiring somebody that's not qualified for any job.

02:01:00.000 And if you look at the Trump administration, they have a ton of DEI hires.

02:01:03.000 But okay, just the actual debate no, they don't.

02:01:07.000 I thought Christy Nome was. 0.95

02:01:09.000 Kash Patel was not hired for being Indian, and Christy Nome was not hired for being a woman.

02:01:12.000 Do you think those were qualified hires, Christy Nome, for that position? 0.75

02:01:12.000 I was like hot chicken. 0.75

02:01:15.000 That's not the question of DEI.

02:01:16.000 But hiring hot people.

02:01:17.000 I understand that.

02:01:18.000 The question of qualification for these people.

02:01:19.000 I understand that.

02:01:20.000 Trump hires loyalists.

02:01:21.000 That's right.

02:01:22.000 Exactly.

02:01:22.000 Back to my question.

02:01:23.000 DEI is a different.

02:01:23.000 Hold on.

02:01:24.000 I understand.

02:01:25.000 So Tim is making my point for me.

02:01:27.000 What Donald Trump has done, hold on.

02:01:29.000 What Donald Trump has done is he's hired people that are not qualified.

02:01:32.000 I'm not asking about Donald Trump.

02:01:33.000 Is he, bro, do you have pictures of him in your bedroom?

02:01:37.000 Because you keep going back to him.

02:01:38.000 I'm not asking you about DEI.

02:01:39.000 I'm talking about DEI.

02:01:41.000 Wolverine anywhere.

02:01:42.000 Okay, let's pause.

02:01:44.000 We've got half a minute left.

02:01:45.000 Go ahead.

02:01:46.000 Before we go to the uncensored portion, we'll all say naughty words.

02:01:49.000 Go ahead.

02:01:49.000 Not me.

02:01:50.000 His question was I will, though.

02:01:52.000 Do you support DEI hires?

02:01:52.000 What was it?

02:01:53.000 Like if somebody hired me because I'm black, would you support that?

02:01:53.000 Yeah.

02:01:57.000 I don't necessarily support anybody putting somebody in a position that's not qualified for the position because of the color of their skin.

02:02:03.000 So you don't?

02:02:04.000 I can't be more clearer than that.

02:02:06.000 However, I will say this if one person is just as qualified as another person and they happen to be black, and that was maybe a determining factor picking that black person over that white person that are both have equal resumes and both qualified for the job, in that specific situation, I don't have a problem. 0.89

02:02:20.000 But if you're going to pick one of them because they're black, I think that's evil. 0.90

02:02:24.000 Yeah, that's not right. 1.00

02:02:25.000 You just say you're going to pick somebody because they're women. 1.00

02:02:28.000 Because the only determining factor is that you chose someone based on race. 0.98

02:02:32.000 Well, I think, and we shouldn't have to leave that way.

02:02:35.000 Nate, if you support Martin Luther King, he said, I would rather be judged by the content of my character, not the color of my skin.

02:02:40.000 Or I would rather be hired based on what qualifies me.

02:02:43.000 We're over time.

02:02:44.000 Go ahead.

02:02:45.000 Yep.

02:02:45.000 So the issue I have is you said they're two equally qualified people, and the company can choose someone based on race.

02:02:53.000 That is what my family and what civil rights activists have fought to end.

02:02:58.000 End that companies can say, I'd prefer a particular race for this job. 0.62

02:03:02.000 We shouldn't allow that. 0.94

02:03:04.000 In a perfect world, but I think the reason why I say that is I look at how many black people are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. 1.00

02:03:04.000 It's wrong. 1.00

02:03:12.000 They had the issue in the NFL for many, many years.

02:03:14.000 Do you know what's wrong with that?

02:03:15.000 About hiring head coaches.

02:03:16.000 And do you know what the problem is? 0.92

02:03:17.000 20 years ago, everybody was white.

02:03:18.000 And here's the problem I'm second generation mixed race.

02:03:22.000 My mom's side of the family had to flee numerous states because miscegenation laws were in effect.

02:03:26.000 And today, your ideology says, I look too white.

02:03:30.000 And I've experienced this.

02:03:32.000 And I beg liberals to stop judging me as a white man because my family did go through hardship.

02:03:38.000 I just want to be treated on the merits.

02:03:40.000 Let me ask you a question.

02:03:41.000 But the worldview of the liberal is when me and this, when Jeremiah go for a same job, they're going to be like, I'm going to pick him over me.

02:03:47.000 And I'm like, how about we just get the job because we're good or not good at it?

02:03:51.000 And you'll never get identical.

02:03:52.000 Neither of us want to be judged by race.

02:03:54.000 So why is it then that we've only had one black president? 0.90

02:03:57.000 Because he was all white. 0.99

02:03:58.000 Let's do this. 0.99

02:03:59.000 Let's bring the debate to the uncensored portion of the show.

02:04:02.000 At rumble.com slash timcastirl.

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02:04:07.000 Jeremiah, you want to shout anything out?

02:04:09.000 Jesus loves you, and I do too.

02:04:11.000 That's a great shout out, but you have a social media too so people follow you?

02:04:13.000 JeremiahHicks on Instagram and then at JeremiahHicks on YouTube.

02:04:18.000 JeremiahHicks on Facebook and then JeremiahHicks on YouTube.

02:04:20.000 See how selfless he immediately goes to Jesus instead of himself?

02:04:25.000 Love Christ, brother.

02:04:26.000 People got to follow on Instagram, but I respect it.

02:04:28.000 I respect it.

02:04:28.000 Yeah.

02:04:29.000 Be the messenger.

02:04:29.000 Ryan, where can they find you?

02:04:30.000 Thanks, man.

02:04:31.000 Thanks for having me, Tim.

02:04:33.000 So the show is called Pushing the Limits.

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02:04:48.000 And I would like to think that Jesus Christ loves a bald ginger as well.

02:04:51.000 Jesus does love bald ginger. 0.71

02:04:53.000 Hit it, Ian.

02:04:53.000 He's down.

02:04:54.000 No, and wait, and I love Phil as well.

02:04:56.000 Phil, I do love you.

02:04:57.000 I'm absolutely, this has been wonderful.

02:04:59.000 So if you were frustrated watching, you'll know when you're here and you can interact, it's less frustrating.

02:05:04.000 So get on the Discord, call in, get involved with the conversation, come to the live events, get involved with the conversation.

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02:05:37.000 I go into similarities between the 2020 election and the California mayoral election that recently happened.

02:05:44.000 Don't forget, the love lane is for crying.

02:05:46.000 I'd also like to shout out Christ for sure.

02:05:49.000 That was a good one, Jeremiah.

02:05:50.000 Thank you.

02:05:51.000 Man, that was a crazy conversation.

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02:06:02.000 We'll see you all at rumble.com slash Tim Kest IRL right now.

02:06:06.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:06:54.000 I do got to give a shout-out to this one Rumble rant, Gadsden Gorilla. 0.89

02:06:58.000 The best part, Brian telling a black man how he should feel about delusional racism.

02:07:04.000 Yeah, I definitely didn't say how he should feel.

02:07:06.000 In fact, I would say that's a bad characterization. 0.65

02:07:10.000 I think the biggest problem with white people in this country is they don't listen to other people. 0.97

02:07:14.000 They don't. 0.99

02:07:15.000 His opinion, bro, his opinion is that there are more racists on the left and the right.

02:07:20.000 I disagree with him.

02:07:20.000 It's true.

02:07:21.000 It is wrong.

02:07:22.000 Okay, that's fine.

02:07:23.000 I think you can find racists all.

02:07:25.000 Why can't we just call it out instead of?

02:07:26.000 Playing the game of there's people on the left and the right.

02:07:28.000 Well, because the truth is the truth.

02:07:29.000 Look at my inbox, buddy.

02:07:30.000 Statistically, well, the truth is the truth.

02:07:33.000 I've been called the N word, which is absolutely awful, but I'm sure you all.

02:07:38.000 I'm sure you check with them, which is awful. 1.00

02:07:38.000 That's Negro. 1.00

02:07:41.000 And I would call out anybody who says that stuff, but to say like it's never by a conservative.

02:07:45.000 Okay, I'm sure you've checked their voting record for everybody that's called you a name.

02:07:50.000 Here's the issue.

02:07:51.000 Let's use Chicago as a great example.

02:07:53.000 Yeah.

02:07:53.000 If you take Chicago's election map for the mayor of Brandon Johnson, yep, and you take.

02:07:59.000 Chicago, by racial demographics, they overlay one to one.

02:08:03.000 The Hispanic neighborhood voted for the Hispanic guy, black neighborhoods voted for black people, white neighborhoods voted for white people, except for one neighborhood, Loyola, which is largely lefty young socialists, voted for Brandon Johnson.

02:08:12.000 He was actually, I think, third place.

02:08:14.000 But what happened is I think it was like there's a primary and it goes to a runoff.

02:08:19.000 So because the black neighborhoods only voted for black people, Brandon Johnson ended up with a decent amount of votes.

02:08:26.000 Loyola put him over the edge and then he ended up winning. 0.90

02:08:29.000 So you ask why. 0.86

02:08:30.000 Did we only have one black president?

02:08:32.000 And it's because everyone in this country, except for white liberals, has a racial in group preference.

02:08:37.000 Can I give you an example of what I'm talking about, though?

02:08:39.000 I think because we were going to talk about Carmelo Anthony a little bit, if that's okay.

02:08:43.000 So, Carmelo Anthony is a convicted murderer. 0.69

02:08:47.000 Indeed.

02:08:47.000 I've been totally, I didn't know what was going to happen.

02:08:50.000 I thought that Carmelo would probably be found guilty.

02:08:53.000 I know they called in one witness that even said that he was at fault.

02:08:57.000 I'm kind of paraphrasing.

02:08:58.000 Like a bunch of them actually said. 1.00

02:08:59.000 So, I agree.

02:09:01.000 That's a horrible, tragic story.

02:09:03.000 And Carmelo was sentenced to 35 years.

02:09:05.000 The right, and I'm using this as a comparison.

02:09:09.000 They want Derek Chauvin to be pardoned.

02:09:12.000 Yeah.

02:09:12.000 I do.

02:09:13.000 Well, I don't, I want him part at the state level.

02:09:13.000 Okay.

02:09:15.000 Okay.

02:09:16.000 But he's still a convicted murderer.

02:09:17.000 Okay.

02:09:18.000 And sometimes convictions are wrong.

02:09:20.000 Okay.

02:09:20.000 I agree.

02:09:21.000 Sometimes convictions are wrong.

02:09:22.000 His was wrong.

02:09:23.000 Well, I disagree with you.

02:09:24.000 And we would be wrong.

02:09:25.000 He didn't follow the trial.

02:09:26.000 I disagree.

02:09:26.000 There were two autopsies.

02:09:27.000 What was the cause of death?

02:09:28.000 So they both determined that it was, I want to get the verbatim phrase.

02:09:32.000 It was like, um, It was like asphyxiation, complicating.

02:09:38.000 Homicide.

02:09:39.000 But homicide means.

02:09:41.000 Somebody else had to be.

02:09:42.000 It means human death.

02:09:44.000 So there were two autopsies, and fentanyl was in his body, no question.

02:09:44.000 It doesn't mean murder.

02:09:48.000 But that wasn't the main factor in his death.

02:09:51.000 Okay.

02:09:52.000 Dr. Michael Bodden, I'll take his.

02:09:54.000 Tim, with all due respect, I'll take Dr. Michael Bodden's.

02:09:56.000 I'm not talking about fentanyl.

02:09:59.000 I didn't bring it up.

02:09:59.000 You did.

02:10:00.000 I don't care about homicide or fentanyl or any of that.

02:10:00.000 Nor fentanyl.

02:10:03.000 What I care is that the defense brought in a continuum of force expert.

02:10:08.000 And asked him based on George Floyd's action, what was the allowed use of force?

02:10:15.000 And he said, impact weapons, a taser.

02:10:18.000 And the defense's witness on cross was asked, what does that mean?

02:10:23.000 And the defense's witness said, because George Floyd had physically resisted arrest, Derek Chauvin would have been entitled to escalate the force he already used.

02:10:33.000 And then they were asked again Derek Chauvin opted to use a neck restraint instead of the taser.

02:10:40.000 And the defense's witness said, Derek Chauvin chose a lesser use of force than he was allowed to under the police guns.

02:10:48.000 Now, let me stress one second.

02:10:50.000 When they arrested the Asian cop who was uninvolved and simply standing by and gave him 30 years, it becomes patently obvious this is not a legitimate court case.

02:11:00.000 So, when the judge, let me ask you a question.

02:11:03.000 Let me ask you a question.

02:11:05.000 If a judge states in a criminal proceeding, there is no jurisdiction by which you will have an untainted jury, do you believe it is due process to move forward with the case?

02:11:16.000 I think they probably would have been better off taking it as a general question.

02:11:19.000 I said, just a general question.

02:11:21.000 No, no, no, hold on.

02:11:22.000 A general question.

02:11:24.000 If in any court, any criminal case, the judge says, we cannot grant you an impartial jury.

02:11:31.000 I think that's problematic.

02:11:32.000 Is that due process?

02:11:34.000 Yes and no.

02:11:36.000 The reason why I say, there's a lot of reasons why I say yes and no, because you can make the argument, this was a huge case.

02:11:41.000 Everyone across the country.

02:11:42.000 I'm not talking about that.

02:11:43.000 I'm asking, in Seattle, a guy is selling drugs.

02:11:46.000 He gets arrested.

02:11:47.000 He goes to court and he says, everybody saw me on TV be accused of being a drug dealer.

02:11:54.000 I want a new venue.

02:11:55.000 And the judge says, you won't get one.

02:11:58.000 Is that due process?

02:11:59.000 Yes.

02:12:00.000 It is due process to have a tainted jury that has been told beforehand you're guilty.

02:12:04.000 Okay, so.

02:12:05.000 Okay, this is a fact question, okay?

02:12:07.000 It's not an opinion question.

02:12:09.000 No, it's literally not.

02:12:11.000 Did the jurors say they're tainted, they're biased?

02:12:13.000 The judge did, yes.

02:12:15.000 Okay, the judge made that statement.

02:12:16.000 The judge stated they would not grant Chauvin a change of venue because they did not believe he would ever get a jury that was not tainted by the press.

02:12:25.000 Here's my response to that Derek Chauvin has an opportunity, which he's attempted to, right, which is appeal the case, and that's the argument that they're trying to make.

02:12:33.000 Here's what I will tell you.

02:12:34.000 George Floyd was not resisting when he was.

02:12:37.000 You're wrong.

02:12:38.000 Hold on.

02:12:39.000 He did resist, but let me finish the statement.

02:12:41.000 He was not resisting in the nine minutes that Derek Chauvin had the knee on the neck.

02:12:45.000 Now, if he was resisting, I would agree with you when the knee was on the neck.

02:12:51.000 On his stomach.

02:12:52.000 The knee neck isn't for active resistance, the taser is.

02:12:56.000 Okay, hold on.

02:12:57.000 His hands are behind his back.

02:12:58.000 He's handcuffed.

02:12:59.000 He's lying on his stomach.

02:13:01.000 He's not resisting at that point.

02:13:02.000 He's not going anywhere.

02:13:03.000 He tells Derek Chauvin, I can't breathe.

02:13:05.000 Now, You're right.

02:13:06.000 There was one witness that did make those statements.

02:13:08.000 There were at least four witnesses that spoke differently about the cause of death and use of force.

02:13:13.000 So you can find one witness who will be able to prove that.

02:13:16.000 We have a systemic issue with the Minneapolis Police Department that they scapegoated Chauvin on and never corrected.

02:13:22.000 They still have the same continuum of force, and they never corrected it because y'all are just like, yay, a guy went to prison, and the police department got away with it.

02:13:31.000 The Minneapolis Police Department trains the cops to do what he did.

02:13:35.000 No, I disagree.

02:13:36.000 They did.

02:13:37.000 It's in the trial.

02:13:38.000 If he's resisting, I agree.

02:13:38.000 It's a fact.

02:13:40.000 No, I got to pause you.

02:13:42.000 In the trial, they said for active resistance, you can tase someone.

02:13:47.000 What Chauvin did was a lower on the continuum of force.

02:13:51.000 That was what they were trained to do.

02:13:52.000 I understand.

02:13:53.000 My problem is the Minneapolis Police Department was training their police to engage in behaviors that result in these kinds of scenarios.

02:14:00.000 You're saying the remedy for this is a major lawsuit and forced reformation in the department, but instead, Chauvin and the other cops went to jail and everyone dropped it.

02:14:10.000 But, Tim, the use of words that you just used, actively resisting, okay?

02:14:14.000 There was a point there where he was actively resisting.

02:14:16.000 And they could have tased him.

02:14:17.000 I understand that.

02:14:18.000 The point I'm trying to make to you is in the nine minutes the knee was on the neck, he was not actively resisting.

02:14:24.000 Okay, hold on.

02:14:25.000 Stop, stop, stop, stop.

02:14:25.000 Pause, pause.

02:14:26.000 I'm asking a question, bro.

02:14:28.000 I have to address this point because.

02:14:29.000 We can all do it.

02:14:30.000 Okay.

02:14:31.000 He made a point to me in response to what I'm saying.

02:14:33.000 It needs to be addressed.

02:14:35.000 The knee on the neck was four.

02:14:37.000 Someone on the ground, not for active resistance.

02:14:41.000 The taser is for active resistance.

02:14:44.000 What Chauvin did was the approved training they told cops to do in that scenario.

02:14:50.000 Chauvin showed up after Floyd was already on the ground, not knowing what was going on, and he put the knee on the neck and back the way he was trained to do.

02:14:59.000 That's a problem.

02:15:00.000 It shouldn't happen. 0.97

02:15:01.000 The Minneapolis Police Department needs to have a reformation.

02:15:04.000 You're saying he was trained improperly.

02:15:05.000 Is that your argument?

02:15:07.000 Whatever you want to call it, the defense argued he was trained that way.

02:15:10.000 It's not my argument that he was trained.

02:15:11.000 Was that your minor shame when you saw that video?

02:15:14.000 I was upset about it.

02:15:15.000 Did you think Derek Chauvin committed a crime?

02:15:17.000 No.

02:15:17.000 You saw that video.

02:15:18.000 I would say, so initially, so you have to understand my videos and the way I address all of these things.

02:15:24.000 When, I'll deviate for a second.

02:15:27.000 When the Lincoln Memorial happened with the Covington kids, I got inundated with messages saying to condemn them.

02:15:31.000 And I said, I don't know what happened.

02:15:33.000 When I saw the video of Chauvin with the Nienak, I said, obviously, it looks really, really bad. 1.00

02:15:36.000 These things should not be happening. 1.00

02:15:38.000 We then come to learn, I mean, even Ben Shapiro was like, this is awful.

02:15:41.000 It shouldn't happen.

02:15:42.000 We then come to learn MPD trained him to do this.

02:15:46.000 This is a problem in the structure, the systemic racism, whatever you want to call it.

02:15:51.000 Instead of dealing with that, they said, just put the four cops in jail and we're done.

02:15:54.000 And then everyone was satisfied.

02:15:55.000 I never was. 0.98

02:15:56.000 I said, the defense on the stand, I'm watching the trial, like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.91

02:16:01.000 The literally defense witness was like, Chauvin should have tased him. 0.92

02:16:03.000 And I'm like, what?

02:16:05.000 Chauvin used lesser force than they expected him to?

02:16:08.000 How are they convicting this guy?

02:16:10.000 Then he gets stabbed 27 times.

02:16:12.000 And the reason he got federally charged was not because they thought he violated rights, it's because they were trying to stop him from being murdered in jail.

02:16:19.000 Now, the conservatives are saying, do not pardon him because if they do, he'll go to Minnesota State Jail and be murdered.

02:16:25.000 He will be killed. 0.88

02:16:27.000 I got to jump into the McMichaels as well. 0.94

02:16:29.000 You're familiar with Ahmed Arbery and the McMichaels?

02:16:30.000 Of course.

02:16:31.000 And those guys should not be in jail either, nor Brian.

02:16:34.000 Do you know?

02:16:35.000 What crime was Ahmad Arbery committing that day?

02:16:37.000 Ahmad Arbery was a suspect in a felony burglary, and the police went to the home of all the neighbors, including the Michaels, and said, here's the photo of the guy.

02:16:44.000 Right, but what was he doing that day?

02:16:46.000 Ahmed Arbery was seen running down the street, a suspect in a string of burglaries.

02:16:51.000 Under the citizen's arrest law, there is a clause which states in the event of a misdemeanor, you need to witness the crime being committed to perform a citizen's arrest.

02:17:01.000 In the event of a felony, you do not.

02:17:04.000 The issue in contention with the jury that the judge asked the jury to contemplate was did the McMichaels need to witness the crime to attempt a pursuit of Ahmed Arbery?

02:17:14.000 Hold on.

02:17:15.000 Brian, the last name of the guy, I forgot his first name, who filmed the encounter was put in prison for the rest of his life despite not being involved at.

02:17:24.000 Yeah, so that part of it I didn't agree with.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, but I'll tell you, it's crazy.

02:17:29.000 But first of all, when it comes to the Ahmaud Aubrey case, I asked you, you know, what was he doing that day?

02:17:34.000 You said he was a suspect in some other case.

02:17:37.000 He was seen running through a neighborhood as a suspect in a felony identified to the residents.

02:17:41.000 Right, but law enforcement saw that video that day.

02:17:45.000 Several months later, that third guy that you were just talking about, I think I forgot it was Brian, released it to a news station.

02:17:50.000 No, no, no, Brian did.

02:17:50.000 Okay.

02:17:51.000 Right, that's what I'm saying.

02:17:52.000 Because he was, because, so what happened was, Locals were accusing them of being racist murderers.

02:17:57.000 So the guy who filmed it said, I have a video of what happened.

02:17:59.000 Let me show you.

02:18:00.000 Ahmed Arbery attacked Travis.

02:18:01.000 They put him in jail.

02:18:02.000 But, yeah, they put him in jail.

02:18:04.000 But, you're not realizing William Ross is a witch hunt.

02:18:07.000 Let me just. 1.00

02:18:07.000 You do anything to a black person. 1.00

02:18:09.000 So, if you do something to a black person. 0.94

02:18:11.000 Why is William Bryan in jail? 0.93

02:18:12.000 So, hold on.

02:18:13.000 Let me just.

02:18:13.000 Why is William Bryan in jail?

02:18:15.000 Law enforcement.

02:18:16.000 Listen to me.

02:18:16.000 Okay, first of all.

02:18:18.000 Okay, yesterday.

02:18:19.000 Yesterday, they were chanting, the only good cracker is a dead one.

02:18:19.000 No, no, no, no.

02:18:22.000 No, no, no.

02:18:23.000 Okay, guys, I want to address this point.

02:18:25.000 Which I did.

02:18:25.000 Why is William Bryan in jail?

02:18:28.000 So, first of all, based on the trial, and I haven't talked about in depth the Ahmaud Arbery case in a while, but they both get on their truck, the father and son.

02:18:37.000 William Bryan was not on the truck.

02:18:38.000 I understand.

02:18:41.000 The third guy, in my personal opinion, should probably not be in jail.

02:18:46.000 The two people that I do think deserve to be in jail to this day are the father and son.

02:18:51.000 I'm not talking about that thigh shot.

02:18:52.000 Why should they be in jail?

02:18:53.000 Well, first of all, you have a man running down the street.

02:18:56.000 It's not the job to be a vigilante.

02:18:59.000 And because, and I believe they were asked in the trial, or I believe there were witnesses, they did not know that Ahmaud Aubrey was a suspect in another case.

02:19:08.000 Incorrect.

02:19:09.000 My understanding is he was going through a construction site that day, which, by the way, was not against the law that day.

02:19:15.000 He was going through a construction site, and my understanding is they thought that he was breaking the law that day.

02:19:21.000 That's my understanding.

02:19:22.000 The question the judge presented was in the law, because it was from like 1860 or something, the way it was written, did the McMichaels need to witness the felony in order to pursue?

02:19:35.000 Because the way the law was structured, it was up for interpretation.

02:19:38.000 That's kind of.

02:19:40.000 It's been argued, like Jonathan Turley argued this.

02:19:41.000 Pointing a gun at him?

02:19:42.000 You think that's the way American citizens should be acting if they think somebody might be suspecting another crime?

02:19:47.000 If you chase somebody in a truck and then point a rifle at them, you didn't point a rifle at him.

02:19:51.000 That's not what happened.

02:19:52.000 He never pointed a rifle at him?

02:19:54.000 The father in the truck was pointing the rifle at him the entire time.

02:19:54.000 You're incorrect.

02:19:54.000 He did not.

02:19:57.000 You're incorrect.

02:19:58.000 Take a look at the video Travis McMichael was holding a shotgun.

02:20:01.000 Right.

02:20:01.000 He was standing in the front of the truck.

02:20:03.000 Ahmed Arbery ran around the truck, looked left, and attacked Travis McMichael.

02:20:08.000 Well, here's my response to that.

02:20:10.000 If somebody's chasing me in a car and pointing a weapon at me, I'm going to be scared shitless.

02:20:15.000 Agreed.

02:20:15.000 I don't know the way that I would react, Tim.

02:20:17.000 Maybe run away from it.

02:20:18.000 But he didn't deserve it.

02:20:19.000 And then right after the shooting, this was testimony.

02:20:22.000 He called him the N word.

02:20:24.000 Seconds after he shot him.

02:20:27.000 That's not material to the crime.

02:20:28.000 You can call him racist.

02:20:29.000 That's fine.

02:20:30.000 Well, if somebody's chasing me in a truck, I'm probably, I'm jogging, let's just say.

02:20:36.000 Somebody's chasing me in a truck.

02:20:39.000 And then all of a sudden, I see somebody pointing a weapon at me.

02:20:42.000 I'm going to be, I don't know how I would react.

02:20:43.000 But I'd be really scared.

02:20:44.000 Would you run towards without a shotgun and fight him?

02:20:48.000 If I feel like my life is in jeopardy, I'm going to go.

02:20:50.000 No, absolutely not.

02:20:51.000 You don't run towards somebody with a gun.

02:20:54.000 It's unreasonable.

02:20:55.000 He could have turned right and ran through the woods.

02:20:57.000 I heard that same argument about Trayvon Martin.

02:20:59.000 I heard the same argument.

02:21:00.000 Trayvon Martin's an entirely different circumstance.

02:21:02.000 Well, Ahmed Arbery.

02:21:03.000 Trayvon maybe shouldn't have started a physical altercation with Zimmerman, too, right?

02:21:07.000 You can make that argument.

02:21:08.000 You shouldn't.

02:21:09.000 I get it.

02:21:09.000 You're from a different side of the track than me.

02:21:11.000 You don't run up to somebody with a gun, bro.

02:21:14.000 You would never do that.

02:21:15.000 Was he running up to them or were they chasing him?

02:21:15.000 Did he ask for that?

02:21:17.000 No.

02:21:18.000 He ran up to them.

02:21:19.000 They were stopped in the intersection.

02:21:21.000 We chased him in a truck.

02:21:22.000 No, they flanked him.

02:21:23.000 You're wrong.

02:21:24.000 They were following him in a truck.

02:21:26.000 No, you're incorrect.

02:21:27.000 They flanked him.

02:21:28.000 Brian was following him.

02:21:29.000 William Brian followed all the video.

02:21:31.000 They were in front of him.

02:21:32.000 They flanked him.

02:21:34.000 Why were they chasing him?

02:21:35.000 Why?

02:21:36.000 Okay, stop.

02:21:37.000 Brian was chasing him.

02:21:39.000 William Brian was following Ahmed Arbery.

02:21:41.000 The McMichaels pulled up in front in a truck and he ran towards them.

02:21:46.000 Travis McMichael got out with a shotgun and Ahmed Arbery attacked him.

02:21:50.000 In the fight over the shotgun, he took two to the chest.

02:21:53.000 That's how he died.

02:21:54.000 He wasn't having a rifle pointed at him.

02:21:56.000 The vehicle wasn't chasing him down the street.

02:21:58.000 So, why do you think a jury convicted them?

02:22:00.000 The honest reason, for the same reason William Bryan's in prison.

02:22:03.000 What I think happened is Ahmed Arbery was a suspect in a string of burglaries.

02:22:07.000 A gun had been stolen from a vehicle two months prior to this happening.

02:22:10.000 The police went door to door with a picture of Ahmed Arbery saying, This is the suspect.

02:22:16.000 On camera entering a trespassing, it's called fourth, I think it's fourth degree burglary.

02:22:22.000 People don't understand burglary doesn't mean you're stealing, it means you're illegally entering into a structure, bypassing a barrier.

02:22:28.000 He's on camera entering these buildings, and they say, We believe this is the guy who's been engaging in these string of robberies in the neighborhood.

02:22:34.000 He doesn't live here.

02:22:35.000 We don't know who he is.

02:22:36.000 A gun's gone missing.

02:22:37.000 We think he might be armed.

02:22:39.000 One day they see him running down, someone sees him running down the street, and the McMichaels get the word hey, that suspect guy the police talked about, he's running away.

02:22:47.000 They jump in their truck and they call 911.

02:22:49.000 911 instructs them, do not engage.

02:22:52.000 They disregard.

02:22:53.000 They flank him, meaning they weren't chasing him.

02:22:55.000 They went ahead of where they were told he was running and they pulled up in front.

02:23:00.000 William Bryan follows behind him, filming him, trying to, I'm going to film the guy, right?

02:23:05.000 Which I believe is the appropriate thing to do.

02:23:07.000 They They stop their truck at an intersection, and Ahmed Arbery is running towards them.

02:23:12.000 Travis gets out of the truck with the shotgun.

02:23:14.000 Ahmed Arbery moves to the right of the truck.

02:23:18.000 Travis is here, and he jumps over and attacks him, fighting for the shotgun in the scuffle, gets shot twice in the chest.

02:23:24.000 If you don't act as vigilantes and act like law enforcement, that would have never happened.

02:23:29.000 Citizens' arrests are legal.

02:23:31.000 Yeah, well, I think that's very dangerous.

02:23:34.000 Very dangerous.

02:23:36.000 The important thing to understand is that in the court case, the Only consideration the judge had for the jury was not, is this man a suspected felon?

02:23:45.000 That is confirmed he was.

02:23:46.000 Even the prosecution said, yes, we know Ahmed Arbery was the felony suspect.

02:23:51.000 The question is, did the McMichaels need to witness him commit a felony in order to engage in a citizen's arrest? 0.99

02:23:58.000 The judge told the jury, interpret the law for yourselves, which is fucking psychotic. 0.98

02:24:05.000 The judge gives the instructions to the jury saying, you may not consider this, you may consider this, go deliberate. 0.98

02:24:11.000 Under the sentence of the law, it was interpretable based on the position of a comma that you could have said, because the McMichaels did not witness the burglary, they could not pursue.

02:24:21.000 However, the defense argued, no, in the instance of a misdemeanor, felonies are so egregious, you can subdue them and then wait for law enforcement.

02:24:31.000 All that matters is this the case was cold for months.

02:24:34.000 William Brine was mad because people kept calling him a lynching racist.

02:24:38.000 So he took cell phone footage and released it to a radio station who published it. 1.00

02:24:42.000 And then local prosecutor said, You motherfucker, you're going to burn. 0.99

02:24:47.000 And the reason why he's in prison is because he made these riots potential. 1.00

02:24:52.000 He made the potential for BLM activism.

02:24:54.000 He put a target on the back of the community.

02:24:56.000 And they sacrificed the McMichaels at the altar of BLM, despite the fact they're mostly like, You shouldn't chase somebody.

02:25:03.000 You shouldn't do this.

02:25:04.000 But the sad reality is when someone steals a gun, is presumed to be armed and dangerous as in a felony suspect, and the police won't do anything about it, people are going to pursue under the law what they're able to do.

02:25:14.000 And I believe.

02:25:15.000 The letter of the law, as Turley and many other legal analysts, that they didn't do anything wrong.

02:25:21.000 They had a right to pursue a felony suspect because the police told them he was.

02:25:26.000 What else can you do?

02:25:27.000 Let the guy keep burglarizing.

02:25:28.000 I can tell you what you shouldn't do.

02:25:30.000 What shouldn't you do?

02:25:30.000 What they did that day.

02:25:32.000 Now, I know.

02:25:32.000 So, when somebody steals a gun and is running through your neighborhood as a felony suspect, hide.

02:25:38.000 So, first of all, I think it's very dangerous, and we're in a very dangerous precedent when you act as a vigilante.

02:25:46.000 And whether you describe it as chasing someone or driving in front of someone, whatever the case may be, with a weapon against somebody that you believe is a felon, you're putting yourself in an extremely dangerous situation.

02:25:59.000 And only bad things can happen.

02:26:01.000 Why?

02:26:01.000 Because they're not professionals.

02:26:03.000 Okay.

02:26:04.000 They're not professionals.

02:26:06.000 And if they don't chase him or put their truck in front of them, Ahmaud Arbery is still alive today.

02:26:12.000 Also, if he wasn't burglarizing properties, he's alive today as well. 0.98

02:26:14.000 Just because you burglarized a property, my understanding was he wasn't doing it that day doesn't mean that you deserve to be shot and killed. 0.76

02:26:21.000 No, but when you fight someone for their gun, you will. 0.74

02:26:23.000 Somebody's chasing.

02:26:24.000 There are a lot of people in society that.

02:26:26.000 Wait, wait, hold on. 1.00

02:26:27.000 If you try to fight me for my gun, I will kill you. 1.00

02:26:29.000 That's a completely different circumstance. 1.00

02:26:31.000 That's what he did.

02:26:32.000 They put themselves in that situation because they were in their truck with the father pointing the weapon at Ahmaud Aubrey.

02:26:37.000 It was the son. 0.61

02:26:37.000 Correct. 0.61

02:26:38.000 Okay.

02:26:38.000 The son.

02:26:39.000 The son had a shotgun?

02:26:39.000 The son is the one that shot him.

02:26:41.000 Correct.

02:26:41.000 The father, though, was in the truck with the weapon as well.

02:26:44.000 Actually, the shot's disputed because it was a fight over a shotgun.

02:26:46.000 The father had a weapon as well and was pointing it at Aubrey and was shooting at the ground to try to get them to stop fighting.

02:26:51.000 What?

02:26:52.000 Yeah.

02:26:53.000 Look at it.

02:26:54.000 Let me read this for you.

02:26:55.000 I'll pull that up.

02:26:55.000 Let me read this for you.

02:26:56.000 Look at it.

02:26:57.000 A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.

02:27:01.000 Period.

02:27:02.000 Period.

02:27:03.000 If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

02:27:11.000 The judge said, If you believe the first clause combines the second clause, they're guilty.

02:27:17.000 If you believe that the second clause is independent, then they're innocent.

02:27:20.000 That was the instruction.

02:27:21.000 The jury then said, I guess they're guilty.

02:27:24.000 We'll just go with that.

02:27:26.000 Look, Tim, whether you.

02:27:27.000 Michael had a.357 gun.

02:27:28.000 Yeah, he didn't have a rifle.

02:27:29.000 So you're telling me.

02:27:30.000 He had a gun.

02:27:32.000 Father had a gun, correct?

02:27:33.000 Correct.

02:27:34.000 Your father had a.457.

02:27:39.000 You're asking me if somebody was pointing a weapon at me, how I would behave in that situation?

02:27:45.000 No, if I was in a situation where somebody's pointing a gun at me, I would do everything I could.

02:27:48.000 Gregory McMichael did not fire any rounds at either of them.

02:27:52.000 He never used his gun.

02:27:53.000 Did he fire it at the ground?

02:27:54.000 He was armed at three?

02:27:54.000 He shot it at the ground.

02:27:56.000 He did not fire it.

02:27:57.000 I'd have to take a look at that video again because I thought the father shot a weapon at the ground as they were fighting to try to get them to stop.

02:28:03.000 That was my understanding.

02:28:04.000 Which is just inciting the situation.

02:28:06.000 Go back and watch the video.

02:28:07.000 I haven't seen the video in a long time.

02:28:08.000 You know the whole thing about him wanting to push the gun?

02:28:10.000 I just can't hear it being corralled.

02:28:12.000 Let me answer his question right now.

02:28:14.000 That's one reason you need to escape.

02:28:16.000 If somebody's pointing a gun at me, I want to do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't fire the weapon.

02:28:20.000 Now, obviously, if somebody's pointing a weapon at a member of my family, or, you know, that's a different circumstance.

02:28:27.000 But you're asking me if it's just me, I would put my hands up and say, please don't shoot.

02:28:30.000 Please don't hurt me.

02:28:31.000 And, you know, I would try to do whatever I can to try to de escalate.

02:28:34.000 Would I start a physical altercation with somebody if they were just pointing a weapon at me, unless I knew for sure that they would probably shoot the weapon?

02:28:40.000 Like, if I knew for sure that they were going to shoot me, then I would say, all right, this is my last chance.

02:28:44.000 And then I would probably do what I could to physically.

02:28:47.000 You know, stop that.

02:28:48.000 CNN, a good source?

02:28:49.000 What's up?

02:28:50.000 Gregory McMichael takes out a handgun but doesn't fire.

02:28:54.000 Okay.

02:28:55.000 I saw the video and I followed this case so extensively, I never heard of it.

02:29:00.000 I just haven't talked about it in detail in a long time.

02:29:03.000 But my understanding was the father was certainly pointing the weapon during the ultimatum.

02:29:08.000 It says he took out his handgun but doesn't fire.

02:29:11.000 I'll have to take a look at the video again.

02:29:11.000 Okay.

02:29:12.000 But I know he was pointing the weapon.

02:29:14.000 I refuse to live in a world where anyone can come into my neighborhood.

02:29:18.000 Commit burglaries, and then I have to just sit back and take it.

02:29:21.000 I'm not living in that world.

02:29:21.000 Was he convicted of any burglary?

02:29:23.000 I don't even know.

02:29:23.000 Was he convicted of any burglary?

02:29:24.000 He was the principal suspect and died fighting a guy over his shotgun.

02:29:28.000 So he wasn't like charged with any crimes of burglaries.

02:29:30.000 He was just accused of committing burglaries.

02:29:33.000 He's on camera committing a burglary.

02:29:34.000 I mean, I'm just asking you.

02:29:35.000 I don't know.

02:29:36.000 I'm just asking.

02:29:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:38.000 And Gregory was on camera committing a burglary and did not get arrested or go to trial because he died fighting for a shotgun before it could happen.

02:29:44.000 I don't think it's extremely intelligent to be doing what.

02:29:48.000 Both of those men did.

02:29:50.000 I do believe that the third man who is in jail right now who recorded it, I thought he was absolutely over prosecuted, but I do not feel bad for the other two men who had weapons on them.

02:30:00.000 It's a very sad, horrible circumstance.

02:30:03.000 It was a horrible video to watch.

02:30:03.000 I wish it didn't happen.

02:30:07.000 I guess don't fight people for their guns, you know what I mean? 1.00

02:30:09.000 Well, apparently Gregory Michael pointed the magnum at Aubrey and said, I'll blow your fucking brains out. 1.00

02:30:15.000 I'll blow your fucking head off. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Yeah, if somebody said that to me, Run towards him. 1.00

02:30:19.000 Well, listen, I don't know.

02:30:21.000 I'm coming for you, buddy.

02:30:22.000 I don't listen.

02:30:23.000 Everybody reacts differently in different situations.

02:30:26.000 I would imagine somebody who has a gun pointed at them and somebody says that to them.

02:30:31.000 It's hard to get into Ahmed Aubrey's mind.

02:30:33.000 He probably thought they were going to kill him. 0.97

02:30:35.000 While they were driving, while they were chasing him, he said, I'm going to blow your head off while they were chasing him in the car. 0.94

02:30:39.000 He said that to him.

02:30:39.000 They weren't chasing him.

02:30:40.000 They flanked him. 1.00

02:30:41.000 He said, according to testimony, during the chase, before the confrontation, Gregory Michael said, I'll blow your fucking head off with a magnum in his hand to Ahmed Aubrey. 1.00

02:30:49.000 No wonder he fucking fought for the gun. 1.00

02:30:50.000 He felt like he was going to get his head blown back. 0.99

02:30:52.000 That's my whole argument.

02:30:53.000 Disarm him, probably.

02:30:54.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:30:55.000 Disarm him.

02:30:55.000 How does he say it to Ahmed Aubrey?

02:30:57.000 This is his testimony.

02:30:58.000 He said that he yelled it out of the car.

02:30:59.000 I understand that's testimony, but The point that I'm making is it doesn't add up.

02:31:02.000 If he's driving in the car, Ahmed Arbery can't hear him.

02:31:07.000 His own test against him. 1.00

02:31:07.000 Well, they agree. 1.00

02:31:08.000 Well, they agree.

02:31:08.000 Ahmed Arbery's next to him, like with the window open or something like that.

02:31:11.000 He was threatening him to stop. 1.00

02:31:12.000 He said, I'm going to blow your fucking head off. 0.99

02:31:13.000 I hope everybody in this room could agree, regardless of Ahmed Arbery for a moment, that is not the correct way to handle this situation. 1.00

02:31:19.000 It is in danger.

02:31:20.000 Hold on. 1.00

02:31:23.000 Chasing somebody in a car saying, I'm going to blow your fucking head off when you think that this person is a felon, that's dangerous behavior. 1.00

02:31:31.000 And it's a horrible circumstance that happened. 1.00

02:31:33.000 If you want to get into the.

02:31:33.000 Jogging.

02:31:34.000 I'm not playing this game.

02:31:35.000 If you want to get into the.

02:31:36.000 It's not a game we're playing.

02:31:37.000 I agree.

02:31:38.000 This jogging narrative.

02:31:38.000 You're playing.

02:31:39.000 Like, no reasonable person thinks Ahmed Aubrey was just jogging in a neighborhood. 1.00

02:31:44.000 He stole a fucking gun and was burglarized at a house. 0.99

02:31:47.000 Not today, not at that moment. 1.00

02:31:48.000 Yes, he's armed and dangerous, known to have stolen a gun two months prior to this, a month and a half. 1.00

02:31:52.000 So if you know somebody stole a gun and could be a dangerous individual, you chase them in a car and say, I'm going to blow your fucking head off. 0.99

02:31:58.000 Is that the right way we should be handling these people? 0.99

02:32:00.000 He was standing in the back of the truck as the sun was driving.

02:32:02.000 Right.

02:32:02.000 He was yelling at him from the back of the truck pointing his magnum at him.

02:32:05.000 Yeah, I'd argue don't yell at the guy.

02:32:08.000 But I would also argue if someone comes into your neighborhood committing felonies and steals a gun, call the police.

02:32:14.000 You can stop them.

02:32:14.000 It's actually legal.

02:32:15.000 Called Citizen Talk.

02:32:17.000 There's a lot of legal implications to responding to somebody that you think is committing a crime.

02:32:23.000 Yes.

02:32:24.000 And I think that they probably, the reason they're in jail is because they did not think through the implications, whether or not it was going to be legally justified or not.

02:32:34.000 Which I think there's language in the law that probably justified them being able to do it, whether that was right or wrong, I don't care.

02:32:42.000 The issue is there's an extra guy in jail for just simply filming it.

02:32:47.000 Well, he also helped corral the dude, which is the argument.

02:32:50.000 See, that's a lie.

02:32:51.000 I mean, he was behind him when the other guys came off the street.

02:32:53.000 He's told him up and said, hey, let's meet them together.

02:32:55.000 He didn't.

02:32:56.000 He didn't know them.

02:32:57.000 I don't know.

02:32:58.000 No, he didn't know them.

02:32:59.000 William Bryan was also told, the police canvassed the neighbor and said, here's a picture of the guy.

02:33:04.000 When Bryan saw him running, got in his car and said, I'm going to just film him.

02:33:07.000 Which I think is the appropriate thing to do, right?

02:33:09.000 If someone's a felony, he was following.

02:33:09.000 Yeah.

02:33:12.000 The guy was running towards him.

02:33:14.000 No, William Bryan was going three miles an hour in his car filming.

02:33:18.000 If he was just on the front road and he filmed him running.

02:33:20.000 There's no point.

02:33:21.000 You agree on the William Bryan point.

02:33:22.000 Let's bring in callers.

02:33:23.000 Otherwise, we'll just talk for 20 minutes.

02:33:24.000 I agree on the Bryan point.

02:33:26.000 We got Meatload of Ohio.

02:33:26.000 I do.

02:33:29.000 What's up, Meatload?

02:33:30.000 What's up, dude?

02:33:33.000 Hey, man.

02:33:34.000 What's up?

02:33:34.000 I'm glad you're back, Phil.

02:33:35.000 It's good to see you again.

02:33:36.000 Thank you, sir.

02:33:37.000 I appreciate it.

02:33:39.000 Oh, sorry.

02:33:40.000 I just said thank you.

02:33:42.000 Jeremiah, I love the green room and the stuff you talked about before the show.

02:33:46.000 I'd like to hear you more, but Brian keeps talking.

02:33:49.000 That was a great combo, dude.

02:33:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:33:53.000 They call it, the young people call it these days, a D1 yapper. 1.00

02:33:57.000 I did play D1 college sports, so you're right.

02:34:00.000 I am a D1 yapper, literally. 0.96

02:34:03.000 All right.

02:34:04.000 Well, I know that you guys have been agreeing a whole bunch up there on some topics, but I want to introduce a topic that we might find agreement on.

02:34:11.000 And so there's this guy called Reckless Ben, and.

02:34:15.000 He's got this thing he's doing.

02:34:16.000 He's doing this old Scooby Doo and a gang kind of thing.

02:34:19.000 And he's looking for some Legos.

02:34:21.000 Have you guys heard about this story?

02:34:22.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

02:34:23.000 Yep.

02:34:25.000 What?

02:34:26.000 So, I introduced this story to my family this week, and surprisingly, even though they're leftist and crazy, we all agree and are having a great time talking about this story.

02:34:37.000 So, did Reckless Ben kind of stumble into some kind of a way that our country can unite on something, seeing maybe some bad people get some justice?

02:34:47.000 Well, no, no, no.

02:34:49.000 I got to tell you, unfortunately, Brian's on the side of bricks and minifigs.

02:34:55.000 I want to do this.

02:34:55.000 He has no idea how to respond to that because he doesn't know what the story is.

02:34:58.000 Ben, I think you talk.

02:34:59.000 I just wanted to say, Ben, I think he talks too much.

02:35:01.000 Reckless Ben?

02:35:02.000 Caller, yeah, he talks too much.

02:35:04.000 The YouTuber Reckless Ben, you're saying, talks too much?

02:35:06.000 No, I was talking about the caller.

02:35:07.000 Oh, oh, oh.

02:35:08.000 I was just making a joke.

02:35:09.000 I'm joking.

02:35:09.000 So there's a company called Bricks and Mini Face that's been accused of stealing some old, like, some family's life savings.

02:35:13.000 I'm not familiar with the story.

02:35:14.000 Right, right, right.

02:35:15.000 Yeah.

02:35:15.000 So everybody's pissed at this company.

02:35:17.000 This guy, Reckless Ben, went to film a video and, like, investigate. 0.99

02:35:21.000 And it's fucking wild. 0.98

02:35:22.000 Like, the cops are jamming him up. 1.00

02:35:23.000 They're accusing him of bullshit. 1.00

02:35:24.000 He's getting sued. 1.00

02:35:25.000 He fled.

02:35:26.000 And people are claiming that the store is getting away with it because there's Mormons and the cops are Mormons and they're basically like.

02:35:33.000 Utah.

02:35:33.000 Where did this happen?

02:35:34.000 Why did I not hear about this story?

02:35:35.000 That's interesting. 0.90

02:35:36.000 Aren't the Mormons the ones with the onesies?

02:35:37.000 Well, because I don't think we in the political space care all that much about Lego collections. 0.72

02:35:41.000 Yeah, because you don't watch Asmongold videos.

02:35:42.000 Yeah, I don't.

02:35:44.000 Can I ask you guys quickly a question like about the guy, and I'm sorry, I'm forgetting his name, who chased people around the country calling black people the N word?

02:35:51.000 Shut the building.

02:35:52.000 Yeah.

02:35:53.000 What do you make of that story?

02:35:54.000 I'm just curious what all of you think.

02:35:55.000 At first, I was like, he's going to get locked up.

02:35:57.000 Forever.

02:35:57.000 And then after hearing what happened, I'm like, oh, he's going to get locked up forever.

02:36:00.000 Yeah.

02:36:01.000 I just.

02:36:02.000 When you're doing something like that, can we agree?

02:36:04.000 When you're asking for trouble, when you're using slurs at people, except the. 0.94

02:36:09.000 So initially, when this case happened, I was like, bro, you can't walk up to black people, tell them they're chimping out, call them the N word. 0.98

02:36:15.000 It's horrible. 0.98

02:36:16.000 Because it's provocation.

02:36:17.000 Right.

02:36:17.000 We then found out that wasn't the case in this instance.

02:36:20.000 And so this is political prosecution at this point.

02:36:24.000 So what happened was Chud the Builder walked out of a civil court hearing, and there was a black dude who knew him.

02:36:29.000 And had commented on him online, like, if I ever see him, I'm going to mess him up or something like that.

02:36:33.000 He said, he yelled at Chud the Builder.

02:36:35.000 Chud didn't know he was and walked up and said something like, oh, you know, like, what's up?

02:36:38.000 And the guy said, you know, F you, blah, blah, blah.

02:36:41.000 Chud turns around to walk away and disengages. 1.00

02:36:44.000 The guy then yells at him, don't you be saying that chimping out shit to me. 0.99

02:36:48.000 And then he turns and says, why are you going to chimp out? 1.00

02:36:49.000 And the dude punches him, puts him in a headlock.

02:36:52.000 Chud pulls out his gun, reaches around and fires into the guy's chest and into his arm.

02:36:58.000 Or he burned his arm with the gun.

02:37:00.000 They then said he attempted to murder the guy.

02:37:02.000 So here's, yes.

02:37:03.000 In this particular case, we talked to Branca about it.

02:37:06.000 He said they probably won't bring up his history.

02:37:09.000 Yeah.

02:37:09.000 It won't get introduced because in this particular case, it's not material.

02:37:12.000 Difficult case, right?

02:37:14.000 But this is actually quite easy.

02:37:15.000 You can never put your hands on somebody no matter what somebody says to you.

02:37:19.000 Even if somebody threatens you, that doesn't give you the right.

02:37:21.000 Yeah, but that's not realistic.

02:37:23.000 I've had people put their hands on me on the street, which is wrong.

02:37:25.000 That's an assault.

02:37:26.000 You can't do that.

02:37:27.000 What about if someone, if someone calls you, that's different. 1.00

02:37:30.000 If someone calls you a racial slur, it's horrible, and you punch them in the face and they shoot you. 0.80

02:37:35.000 They don't have a strong sense of trust. 0.78

02:37:36.000 Can I give you a case like?

02:37:37.000 So let me give you a quick case.

02:37:38.000 This was 20 years ago in Vegas.

02:37:39.000 I covered this when I was a reporter.

02:37:41.000 Guy in a restroom at a local casino in Las Vegas.

02:37:46.000 Black guy in there, white guy at the urinal, turns around, just blatantly starts calling him the N word. 0.93

02:37:51.000 Like, you're the N word. 0.99

02:37:52.000 You're the N word. 1.00

02:37:53.000 You're a chimp. 1.00

02:37:53.000 You're the N word. 1.00

02:37:55.000 The black gentleman knocks him out, punches him, kills him with one punch. 1.00

02:38:00.000 He hits the ground. 1.00

02:38:01.000 He dies.

02:38:02.000 Manslaughter.

02:38:02.000 I was found not guilty.

02:38:04.000 Whoa, really?

02:38:05.000 I was surprised.

02:38:07.000 But when you're going around calling people slurs, they could be homophobic slurs, they could be the N word, any type of slur.

02:38:14.000 And let's be honest, he did this to get clicks and make money, right?

02:38:17.000 And he wanted somebody in my personal.

02:38:19.000 Well, do you know his story?

02:38:20.000 I do a little bit. 0.93

02:38:21.000 He made a video and these black people yelled at him. 0.93

02:38:25.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:38:25.000 And then he told him to f off or something. 0.97

02:38:27.000 Yeah.

02:38:27.000 They got him fired from his job.

02:38:29.000 And then he was like, fuck this. 0.99

02:38:30.000 And he started making these videos, like, basically, calling down that movie. 0.99

02:38:33.000 Basically, it was like one of my favorite movies of all time.

02:38:36.000 But we do have a caller.

02:38:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:38.000 Caller.

02:38:39.000 I know it's a deviation.

02:38:40.000 Do you want to get back on it?

02:38:41.000 You want to add to this?

02:38:42.000 Yeah.

02:38:43.000 Because I mean, Bullseye gave Brian the same.

02:38:44.000 We could agree on him. 0.91

02:38:45.000 We could all come kimbiotic.

02:38:46.000 He just won't shut his yapper and get on the topic. 0.78

02:38:48.000 He brings up the cut.

02:38:50.000 So, whatever the case is, my mom and dad, they're old.

02:38:53.000 They're practically communists.

02:38:54.000 My brother is like a communist.

02:38:56.000 And we can all agree on this.

02:38:57.000 And I like, we, our country needs something to come together.

02:39:00.000 We're so they've gotten divided.

02:39:01.000 We're all fighting over this BS.

02:39:03.000 And we need this.

02:39:04.000 I mean, we didn't come together in the beginning of our country to create this just to divulge into BS.

02:39:10.000 I just did a tour on the country, turned 250.

02:39:12.000 We need to come together, Dave Gonnett. 0.96

02:39:14.000 Are all lefties crazy? 0.99

02:39:16.000 Are they all crazy? 1.00

02:39:18.000 A lot of them. 0.98

02:39:18.000 Yeah, that's really, that's really going to bring the country together. 0.98

02:39:21.000 Most people, most of, he's not right. 0.98

02:39:24.000 I think all right, I think most righties are crazy. 0.99

02:39:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:39:26.000 You think that would bring the country together too?

02:39:28.000 No, I don't think. 0.73

02:39:36.000 I think there are crazy people on both sides of the aisle. 0.82

02:39:39.000 There are crazy people on all shapes and sizes. 0.99

02:39:42.000 No, do I think the majority of the people on the left are crazy? 0.97

02:39:45.000 No, sir, I don't.

02:39:45.000 But thank you for your message of bringing people together.

02:39:48.000 Your message will definitely bring people together.

02:39:49.000 Thank you. 0.96

02:39:50.000 The left is either manipulative or ignorant, and the right is, I think, kind of just docile. 1.00

02:39:58.000 Most people on both sides of the aisle are crazy. 1.00

02:40:01.000 I wouldn't say that about Republicans. 0.99

02:40:03.000 Okay.

02:40:04.000 I think Donald Trump's base, I think, are ill informed. 0.97

02:40:09.000 I think his base of supporters are maybe not the most educated people, but I wouldn't say the majority of Republicans are crazy. 0.96

02:40:17.000 I wouldn't say the majority of Democrats are crazy.

02:40:19.000 But Democrats as a party support transitioning children. 0.88

02:40:22.000 They support abortion.

02:40:24.000 They support LGBTQ, whatever. 0.98

02:40:27.000 They can't be wrong with the black people. 0.88

02:40:28.000 They support gay people. 0.98

02:40:29.000 That's for them.

02:40:30.000 What? 1.00

02:40:31.000 Horting the LGBT community. 1.00

02:40:32.000 Is that bad? 1.00

02:40:33.000 Comparing gay people to black people, yes. 0.97

02:40:35.000 Who compared gay people to black people? 1.00

02:40:36.000 They do it all the time. 1.00

02:40:37.000 The black on the flag, bro. 1.00

02:40:38.000 LGBTQ community. 1.00

02:40:40.000 Who did that, though?

02:40:40.000 Who compared gay people to black people?

02:40:41.000 They put the black flag on the gay flag. 0.99

02:40:43.000 That's what. 0.99

02:40:44.000 What do you mean?

02:40:45.000 Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

02:40:47.000 Why does that bother you?

02:40:48.000 Why does it bother me?

02:40:49.000 Because I don't want blackness to be compared to being gay.

02:40:52.000 What's wrong with being gay? 0.78

02:40:53.000 Tell me. 1.00

02:40:53.000 It seems like you have a problem. 1.00

02:40:54.000 Homosexuality is a sin. 1.00

02:40:55.000 Okay. 1.00

02:40:55.000 Oh, it is? 1.00

02:40:56.000 It's a sin.

02:40:57.000 Why is it a sin?

02:41:01.000 Because God said it's a sin. 0.82

02:41:05.000 No, Black people and gays should be in the same political group? 0.89

02:41:10.000 I think it's a little strange. 0.59

02:41:11.000 If they've been marginalized the same.

02:41:12.000 I think they did, and it's offensive to people.

02:41:14.000 You think black people and gay people have been marginalized the same?

02:41:16.000 I think there's certainly discrimination.

02:41:18.000 I don't like to compare.

02:41:20.000 I think black people have been discriminated against, and I think homosexuals are discriminated against. 0.96

02:41:24.000 How did they put black stripes on the white flag? 1.00

02:41:26.000 Wait, hold on.

02:41:28.000 You don't think homosexuals have been discriminated against?

02:41:32.000 No.

02:41:33.000 No. 0.94

02:41:33.000 They have not been through what black people have been through. 0.94

02:41:36.000 If you're going to tell me that gay people have been through what black people have been through, then That's okay. 0.71

02:41:40.000 Gay people have never been discriminated against.

02:41:40.000 You're right.

02:41:42.000 You're right, guys.

02:41:44.000 Meatlo, did you want to shout anything out? 0.99

02:41:45.000 Oh, ridiculous. 0.93

02:41:46.000 Yeah, I'm gonna be hosting after dark tonight after the show's over. 1.00

02:41:46.000 They've been slaves. 1.00

02:41:50.000 So please, people, come and join us.

02:41:52.000 And uh, Tim, thanks for doing what you're doing.

02:41:54.000 We love it.

02:41:55.000 And Brian, I love you, man.

02:41:57.000 But I love you, but you're like, uh, thanks for calling in, brother.

02:42:01.000 And we'll get the next caller.

02:42:02.000 But like, this self defense thing is really interesting.

02:42:04.000 About you should never attack someone for speaking, but how loud and close to you is acceptable before it is considered in Illinois.

02:42:12.000 Within a couple feet is considered a reasonable, creating a reasonable fear of harm.

02:42:16.000 So, if you get within someone's face, they can hit you because you threaten them.

02:42:19.000 You know, there have been people in history that have been convicted of hate crimes against homosexuals.

02:42:24.000 You are aware of that, right?

02:42:26.000 Oh, you can be.

02:42:26.000 I think hate crimes are wrong.

02:42:28.000 Do you think at times and sometimes people are discriminated against him?

02:42:33.000 I suppose we need elaboration on what you mean by discriminated against.

02:42:36.000 Did you mean like.

02:42:37.000 Look down at what you're discriminated against?

02:42:39.000 No, elaborate though.

02:42:40.000 Like, what's discrimination?

02:42:41.000 Well, because my point is everybody is discriminated against.

02:42:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:45.000 Yeah, but I think there are large groups of people that are discriminated maybe more than others.

02:42:50.000 I think you could say.

02:42:51.000 I don't care to give anybody a chance. 0.98

02:42:52.000 The Republican Party as a whole has frowned against homosexual gay marriage, for example. 1.00

02:42:59.000 You remember the story of.

02:43:00.000 I remember.

02:43:01.000 I think Obergefell is wrong. 1.00

02:43:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I would assume you also disagree with gay people marrying one another, right? 1.00

02:43:09.000 That's wrong.

02:43:09.000 That's not what I said.

02:43:09.000 I said Obergefell.

02:43:10.000 I know you didn't say that, but I think he does.

02:43:10.000 No, I know.

02:43:12.000 You're a religious person, right? 0.76

02:43:13.000 So you think being gay is a choice.

02:43:14.000 So you think somebody just wakes up in the morning, a man, and says, hey, you know what? 1.00

02:43:18.000 I like penis today. 0.99

02:43:19.000 You think that's how it works? 1.00

02:43:20.000 I think that man is innately sinful, and I think that people choose to convert.

02:43:25.000 They choose. 0.96

02:43:26.000 So you're born to be all attracted to women if you're a man.

02:43:28.000 You're all born straight, and you think a straight man one day just wakes up and. 0.72

02:43:32.000 No, You misunderstand the Christian argument. 0.99

02:43:34.000 A guy can be gay and be like, I'm attracted to men, but I will not engage with that because it's sinful. 1.00

02:43:40.000 Okay, so you think people should have conversion therapy? 1.00

02:43:42.000 So you're Mike Pence now?

02:43:44.000 Why are you putting words in your mouth?

02:43:44.000 Why?

02:43:45.000 I'm not Mike Pence. 0.97

02:43:46.000 Well, do you think gay people should be converted? 1.00

02:43:50.000 I think that people that. 1.00

02:43:51.000 Call themselves Christian should not live a homosexual lifestyle. 0.97

02:43:54.000 Okay, so if they are homosexual, do you think they should go to conversion therapy? 1.00

02:43:58.000 I think they need to get delivered. 1.00

02:44:00.000 Right, so yeah.

02:44:01.000 I got a problem with conversion therapy.

02:44:03.000 Why ban conversion therapy?

02:44:05.000 I didn't say that.

02:44:06.000 I was like, why did liberals do that?

02:44:06.000 I'm not asking you.

02:44:09.000 If a gay person wants to go to a preacher and say, I don't want to be a gay person, you should be able to go to. 1.00

02:44:14.000 They banned that type of multilingualism. 1.00

02:44:16.000 I don't agree with that. 1.00

02:44:18.000 Let's bring in Pee Pee Poo Poo. 1.00

02:44:19.000 They banned telling little kids you can't be with the same sex. 1.00

02:44:22.000 That's what they did.

02:44:23.000 Beep, beep, poop, poo.

02:44:24.000 You're on the show.

02:44:25.000 Hi.

02:44:25.000 What's up, dude?

02:44:26.000 Hi.

02:44:27.000 Hi.

02:44:29.000 I changed my name.

02:44:30.000 This is Brian.

02:44:31.000 Brian, you're your actual volunteer on Discord, frequent caller, and situation monitor.

02:44:41.000 So I changed my name not to be associated with this guy.

02:44:46.000 So anyway.

02:44:48.000 Sounds like the feeling is mutual, sir.

02:44:50.000 Go right ahead.

02:44:52.000 Well, anyway, Brian.

02:44:54.000 Anyway, Brian.

02:44:55.000 Texas.

02:44:58.000 The Texas jury just rejected Carmelo Anthony's self defense claim after he stabbed Anthony or Austin Meth.

02:44:58.000 Go ahead.

02:45:06.000 Yep.

02:45:06.000 Meth, excuse me.

02:45:09.000 He was unarmed.

02:45:11.000 And Carmelo was convicted by a jury of murder after rejecting his self defense claim.

02:45:18.000 Yeah, boy, that's news to me.

02:45:19.000 Thank you, sir.

02:45:21.000 Well, what's your question?

02:45:23.000 I'm going to compare and contrast here.

02:45:25.000 Years ago in a blue state, another jury.

02:45:29.000 Convicted a guy that had killed itself, admittedly, killed two people and offered a self defense, uh, defense and was acquitted.

02:45:42.000 Uh, what's the difference?

02:45:44.000 I have no idea what case you are talking about.

02:45:46.000 I know nothing about the case.

02:45:48.000 You know exactly what I'm talking about.

02:45:50.000 What care?

02:45:50.000 I don't either.

02:45:51.000 Tim doesn't know either. 0.79

02:45:52.000 We both don't know what the hell you're talking about. 0.97

02:45:53.000 I'm falling asleep like Donald Trump. 0.87

02:45:55.000 Can you please explain?

02:45:58.000 You are so obsessed.

02:45:59.000 What is his other case?

02:46:01.000 Yeah, what's this other case that you think everybody in this room should?

02:46:04.000 Phil, do you know what case he's talking about?

02:46:05.000 Negative.

02:46:05.000 Ian.

02:46:06.000 Thank you, Ian.

02:46:06.000 Negative.

02:46:07.000 Sir, nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about. 1.00

02:46:09.000 Kyle Rittenhouse. 0.99

02:46:11.000 Okay, well, you didn't say it.

02:46:11.000 Oh, wow.

02:46:12.000 Why don't you say Kyle Rittenhouse, you dope?

02:46:14.000 Why didn't you say it?

02:46:15.000 What's going on?

02:46:16.000 Guess what?

02:46:16.000 Well, you dope.

02:46:17.000 I'll comment about Kyle Rittenhouse.

02:46:19.000 I'll gladly because I've interviewed Kyle Rittenhouse.

02:46:21.000 What's the difference?

02:46:22.000 Okay, let me explain.

02:46:23.000 Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty.

02:46:26.000 That's number one.

02:46:27.000 Number two, I've never called Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer. 1.00

02:46:30.000 I think he's an idiot and he self admittedly should not have been there. 1.00

02:46:34.000 He's a moron. 1.00

02:46:35.000 He's not very bright, but I've never called him a murderer. 1.00

02:46:38.000 Do you know why, Brian?

02:46:39.000 Because a jury found him not guilty.

02:46:42.000 That's why.

02:46:43.000 Are you of the opinion that.

02:46:45.000 Well, why did that jury find Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty?

02:46:48.000 Because it was deemed self defense.

02:46:51.000 That's why I never said that.

02:46:52.000 Carmelo Anthony was defending himself. 1.00

02:46:54.000 The fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:46:56.000 I've called him a convicted murderer on this show. 1.00

02:46:58.000 When I covered it, when the trial was going on, the verdict, I said, he is a murderer now. 0.52

02:47:03.000 He's a convicted murderer.

02:47:04.000 So what are you talking about?

02:47:06.000 Chat is saying that Brian is chimping out.

02:47:11.000 I'm gingering out.

02:47:13.000 Sir, let me be very clear for you and I'll speak very slowly, okay?

02:47:17.000 Carmelo Anthony is a convicted murderer.

02:47:20.000 He needs to spend and pay the time behind bars. 1.00

02:47:24.000 Kyle Rittenhouse is a moron. 1.00

02:47:26.000 He's an idiot. 1.00

02:47:26.000 The Republican National Convention, even Charlie Kirk paid him to make some speeches. 1.00

02:47:32.000 I don't think he should be rewarded for stupid actions, but I never called him a murderer, and the jury found him not guilty. 0.87

02:47:38.000 Can I be any more clear to you, sir? 1.00

02:47:40.000 Get the mag of wax out of your ears.

02:47:44.000 You made it abundantly clear.

02:47:46.000 You sound like Joe Biden now.

02:47:47.000 You're stuttering, buddy.

02:47:48.000 Next caller.

02:47:50.000 You don't dictate when the caller.

02:47:53.000 I'm just kidding.

02:47:53.000 I'm joking.

02:47:56.000 Don't take me too seriously, Calder.

02:47:58.000 Come on, lighten up a little bit, all right?

02:47:59.000 We're having some fun here.

02:48:01.000 Come on.

02:48:02.000 Laugh, joke.

02:48:03.000 All righty then.

02:48:04.000 Laugh, joke.

02:48:05.000 Sir, seriously, do you agree with what I said?

02:48:07.000 Did I say anything that you disagree with?

02:48:10.000 Yeah.

02:48:12.000 What did I say that you disagree with?

02:48:15.000 I think you've made it abundantly clear that the MAGA has kind of

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