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00:03:46.000So, I'm Mark Cavagna, Executive Director of Republicans for National Renewal.
00:03:49.000It's a political non-profit organization dedicated to pushing the Republican Party away from the establishment, more towards the America First grassroots.
00:03:58.000And so, you might be wondering, what does that mean?
00:04:00.000Well, it means taking over the Republican Party from the grassroots level up, so the local, state, and federal level, so that when President Trump is back in office, he has that infrastructure within the party to effectuate his agenda, As opposed to not only dealing with the radical left, which we expect, of course, we have the socialists, communists, etc.
00:04:17.000But what we saw President Trump during his first term deal with was people of his own party stabbing him in the back, even after giving very nice speeches saying, we love President Trump, we're going to support his agenda.
00:04:27.000And then when it comes time to voting, they vote against him.
00:04:44.000I'm the TikTok researcher around here and I've been, I'm particularly excited for this debate because I've been doing a lot of digging into the CIA and the intelligence agency ties of that Kamala campaign.
00:04:56.000And I, and obviously Wallace has a lot of weird dirt in his closet.
00:05:01.000And so I, and JD Vance, is a pretty sharp guy and a pretty sharp debater, and so I'm pretty excited to see how this might rewrite the debate narrative that we've had so far in this campaign.
00:07:07.000This is the closest we've been to World War III probably ever.
00:07:10.000I mean, maybe you can say Cuban Missile Crisis or something like this, but now we get the threat of China and Taiwan, And of all nights for this to be going down, you got the dock workers that announced their strike today, and they're going to be debating.
00:08:50.000So the voters were like, we get it, Trump's a hothead, but what are you going to do for us?
00:08:55.000And then Trump didn't articulate a position either, but he's still a billionaire businessman that people think is going to be better for the economy.
00:09:01.000Kamala needed that opportunity to go after Trump and say, here's why my economic plan is better.
00:09:38.000But when you look at the poll of moderates and independents, even CNN, they did a flash poll and found that there was a massive shift, double-digit shift, towards Trump in terms of the economy and immigration.
00:09:49.000And those are the two biggest issues right now in this election.
00:09:55.000I tell you this, people vote with their wallets.
00:09:57.000Yeah, she got absolutely no post-debate bounce for all of the winning that she supposedly did.
00:10:03.000And while it looked like a win that night, you know, she did look better, she did perform pretty well, she was calm and cool, where Trump got a little pissed off, you could say.
00:10:13.000By the next morning, everyone was like, wait a minute, she didn't win that debate.
00:10:16.000Well, everyone knows that she's a fairly smooth-talking politician, even if she says just gibberish, right?
00:10:22.000I don't think she is, though, in most interviews.
00:10:24.000She wears her suit, she wears her earrings, she stands for the photos.
00:10:27.000But her objective during that debate should have been to deliver specific information about her policies, because that's what voters kept saying over and over again in polls.
00:10:36.000The reason we are not sure if we're going to vote for her is because we don't know what her values are.
00:10:41.000And so, yes, maybe she got a couple of good moments where she riled Trump up.
00:10:45.000If that's the win, then sure, she won.
00:10:47.000But she missed the opportunity that her campaign actually needed.
00:10:50.000And what I find fascinating about this debate is, whereas the last one sort of for a lot of people felt like it was three on one, it was the moderators and Kamala versus Trump.
00:10:58.000Apparently, the moderators are not going to fact-check this time.
00:11:00.000It's up to Vance and Walz to fact-check each other, which really becomes sort of this dominance race.
00:11:06.000I mean, who can keep each other on message and hold their feet to the fire when it comes to certain questions that, you know, I think they'll avoid.
00:11:14.000Yeah, I think the reason for that is because actually a lot of the bad press that Kamala got was probably because so many people noticed that three-on-one.
00:11:21.000I think people are far more likely to change their opinion based upon the corruption they're seeing than based upon like the actual words that were exchanged in a, you know, kind of debate.
00:12:20.000You always see these memes where it's like, we figured out a way to get the aid.
00:12:23.000It just says Ukraine on North Carolina.
00:12:24.000They changed their state flag to the Ukraine.
00:12:28.000I think one of the interesting issues is that people say wartime presidents tend to keep their office.
00:12:38.000Obviously, Biden's not going to keep his office, even if he sends his spirit animal Kamala Harris to the White House.
00:12:44.000But I don't think escalation in the Middle East is good for Kamala Harris because she doesn't even look like she can handle an interview.
00:12:50.000And remember when she brought her best friend Tim Walz with her, she needed extra help from the moderators during a debate?
00:12:55.000No one wants to send her into a negotiating room amid, you know, potential nuclear war.
00:13:01.000Yeah, I don't think anybody would want that.
00:13:03.000But apparently she's been in there the whole time.
00:13:05.000You had Karine Jean-Pierre from the White House today saying that Kamala Harris had been in the Situation Room or on a call to the Situation Room for every key foreign policy decision that the administration has made, which means a couple of things.
00:13:18.000One, she's done a bad job this whole time, so why should we elect her again?
00:13:22.000Two, her efforts to distance herself from the administration in which she serves are completely fake, just like the rest of her campaign.
00:13:30.000Yeah, to the Israel point too, it's worth noting that people that are pro-Israel, this is a bad look for the Democrats.
00:13:36.000And for the people that are anti-Israel, it's still a bad look for Democrats because everyone on every side knows that Trump would handle this better regardless of your stance on Israel.
00:13:46.000Look, there are a lot of people who hate Israel and it's crazy to me when I have these conversations You know, I was talking to a guy the other day and he said, you know, AIPAC is very powerful and they control, they have a lot of influence.
00:13:57.000And I'm like, yes, but the only reason they do is because people in America tend to support Israel.
00:14:01.000If you look at polls, people overwhelmingly say they support Israel.
00:14:04.000Maybe they're not aware of the foreign policy implications or what that means, but they do.
00:14:23.000So when bombs are landing in Israel and striking Tel Aviv, you're going to start seeing moderates be like, Kamala Harris has no strength to defend our allies.
00:14:32.000Donald Trump has to get in and get in and shut this down.
00:14:36.000I think what you're saying there is that Israel is spending, or AIPAC rather, is spending money to elect these candidates, but they wouldn't get elected if people weren't voting for them.
00:14:43.000And so it's like, yeah, they're spending money, but a lot of AIPACs spend money, and their success rate is not necessarily... Am I representing what you're saying there correctly?
00:14:49.000For the most part, what I mean is, like, you know, what was it, Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman, they were ousted, and AIPAC spent tons of money to get them ousted.
00:14:57.000But these commercials are only effective if people are going to be supporting those ideas in the first place.
00:15:28.000And there are a lot of PACs you've never heard of that have spent a ridiculous amount of money.
00:15:31.000Well, I mean, come on, you know, certainly APAC is an exorbitant spender and influencer.
00:15:37.000My point is, look, criticize Israel, then look at the polls of what Americans think.
00:15:42.000It is true, Americans tend to support Israel.
00:15:44.000And I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying that's what American people think.
00:15:46.000I mean, I would argue that that has a lot to do with the propaganda in America, just in terms of how we are educated about the conflict, but I don't think it really matters whether you support Israel or not in terms of what's happening right now.
00:15:56.000I think that everyone agrees, like, I think the people that are In favor of a Palestinian state and hate Israel.
00:16:02.000Like a lot of my ex-followers are like that.
00:16:04.000And I think they all agree too, that they would rather see Trump dealing with this problem than Kamala.
00:16:08.000And even if you support Israel, it doesn't mean you want Israel to go to war with Lebanon or Iran.
00:16:14.000You might say like, we want peace, but we still support Israel, right?
00:16:17.000My point is, when the anti-Israel protests kicked up, you started seeing a bunch of liberal billionaires—not a bunch of, but a couple of them—as well as news personalities be like, that's it, I'm voting for Trump.
00:16:30.000But I just saw a post on X Today from some personality who said, that's it, this is the final straw, it's gotta be Trump.
00:16:37.000And the sentiment is basically like, we do not believe that that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris administration is going to stop the conflict.
00:16:46.000I mean, even, you know, Clint Russell made a post where he said, if J.D.
00:16:50.000Vance could, he said he could lose this, lose the election for Trump tonight if he does not handle this well.
00:16:57.000My attitude is he needs to blame, he needs to shift the blame to the Biden-Harris administration for their failed leadership in this region, in Europe, in Southeast Asia.
00:17:09.000If he comes out on stage and says, it's your fault.
00:17:13.000Well, that's not too hard to do because it is primarily their fault.
00:17:22.000You know, like when Trump was in office, we had four years of peace.
00:17:27.000There were little things here and there, but now we've got serious problems and serious threats to our own sovereignty in terms of domestic policy and threats to our sovereignty from foreign policy.
00:17:39.000We got this story from Post Millennial.
00:17:41.000Trump slams Biden and Kamala says, quote, we have no leadership as Iran attacks Israel.
00:17:47.000Trump has issued a statement saying the world's on fire and spiraling out of control.
00:17:51.000We have no leadership, no one running the country.
00:17:53.000We have a nonexistent president in Joe Biden and a completely absent vice president, Kamala Harris, who is too busy fundraising in San Francisco, a city which she and Gavin Newscombe totally destroyed.
00:18:34.000Now, war or the threat of war is raging everywhere, and the two incompetents running the country are leading us to the brink of World War III.
00:18:40.000You wouldn't trust Joe or Kamala to run a lemonade stand, let alone the free world.
00:18:44.000He goes on to say, let me pull it up so I can get to the bottom, actually.
00:18:47.000It's no surprise that Iran desperately wants Kamala Harris to be president, because they know as long as she is in power, they can take advantage of America.
00:18:54.000That is why they have tried to target me.
00:18:57.000If I was in charge, October 7th never happens.
00:19:41.000I love how unpredictable he is in terms of like, he might nuke you.
00:19:46.000There's no reason to think that he's ever bluffing when he says that stuff.
00:19:49.000I mean, Obama was so like, you'd never believe Obama would do anything, you know, publicly anyway, anything bad to anyone for any reason.
00:19:59.000Like, he would tell you straight out, he would go into negotiations having already capitulated half the deal, and then he has to give up more.
00:20:17.000I mean, I think there is a reason people know he is a better negotiator on the world stage than Biden or Obama or potentially Kamala Harris.
00:20:45.000And then they would overreact and lead us into World War III, which is the big threat.
00:20:49.000And that's what we're concerned about.
00:20:51.000Well, and you had the thing, too, at the RNC where Kellyanne Conway came out and said, you know, a lot of people don't like Trump's personality, but you're not going to get those policies without that personality.
00:20:59.000And I think that's 100 percent right, you know?
00:21:02.000I think Trump is the first president that we've had that has not been controlled by, like, all the presidents in my lifetime.
00:21:20.000And he's the first one that I've ever seen in my lifetime that was not already towing the party line that was designed by the donor class and all the billionaires.
00:21:27.000He said to Jeb Bush, your brother lied to us.
00:21:56.000It's never a Republican that Republicans who are at all affiliated with Trump or America First Movement are like, oh man, he endorsed Kamala Harris.
00:22:04.000I'm really rethinking my positions in life.
00:22:06.000It's always someone from the very deep establishment, this really old guard that I think a lot of younger voters want to see gone, like younger conservatives in America.
00:22:21.000Are aware of this division in the party and they know who they want even if you know Trump only serves Because he can only serve four more years.
00:22:29.000They will continue with this direction of the party There's no turning it back to the way it was if you're actually honoring what the what the populist movement wants Indeed.
00:23:01.000Well, you take a look at what's going on with Trump's statement, basically saying, with the Iran tax in Israel, but what are we looking at?
00:23:07.000We're looking at, as you mentioned, the hurricane.
00:23:47.000And then you had Byron Dan Donalds today on Charlemagne the God, that show.
00:23:53.000And there was this great clip that was going around that Byron Donalds was talking about how Kamala Harris is responsible for the inflation.
00:24:07.000How can you tell me she's not responsible for that?
00:24:09.000She did both time tiebreaking votes on the votes at the American Rescue Act, the American Rescue Plan, and the Inflation Reduction Act, which was in late July.
00:25:08.000For every infrastructure project in your community, you should go out and thank Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the Congress that voted for the American Rescue Plan.
00:25:19.000Larry Summers wrote an op-ed back in 2021.
00:25:22.000Larry Summers was the Treasury Secretary for Bill Clinton.
00:25:25.000He was an economic advisor to Barack Obama.
00:25:27.000He said that the American Rescue Plan that Joe Biden wanted, that Kamala Harris was the tiebreaker vote in the United States Senate, would create a massive inflation that we have not seen in a generation.
00:25:50.000So the problem we have in our economy today is that prices have gone up massively, wages adjusted for inflation is down, people's pocketbooks are hurting, Yo, Byron Donalds is based.
00:26:22.000But I mean, it is interesting because this person is saying like, well, any infrastructure project, you have to thank this thing, which is a Democrat talking point.
00:26:30.000But he is actually going back and saying, here is a Democrat who advised other Democrats who said this was a bad idea.
00:27:00.000Just this past weekend we were at the Rescue the Republic event.
00:27:03.000I'm standing in the tent and I see some liberals come in, I see some conservatives come in, Brandon Strzok is there, and I'm like, You got liberals in here with conservatives and they're all laughing together and shaking hands?
00:27:14.000There's a large portion of this country that is totally just brainwashed.
00:27:18.000But I think with RFK Jr., with Tulsi Gabbard, with many of these moderates talking to these Democrats, there is a unity party forming.
00:27:25.000And man, I just got to say, we went to that event where we had Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, and Russell Brand.
00:27:33.000And I'm just in there thinking, Donald Trump's administration, surrounded by these people, that's going to be one heck of an administration.
00:27:42.000Well, and it's people who are coming together based on shared values, not based on shared party and political affiliation.
00:27:49.000So all of those people, what they're beholden to, what Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., and Trump What they're beholden to are the American people who value their rights above everything else, and that's what they're going to bring to the White House.
00:28:00.000And that's I think why people would vote for them, you know?
00:28:03.000It's worth mentioning too that when you have all those different people in those rooms, what I noticed first and foremost was that people didn't agree on everything at all, but it was fun to be around.
00:28:13.000Because suddenly we got back to that America where people are having conversations about what they think, and it's not about, I hate you.
00:28:19.000or it's emotional and it's like vitriolic. It was like spirited and fun and respectful and like it people got over this like divisiveness that is in the media today.
00:28:30.000Just some of it might be that there's a shared vision for the United States.
00:28:46.000is standing there, he's standing firm, and Trump is smiling and reaching out to him.
00:28:49.000And I remember when I saw this, it's like the withered husk of, you know, lost hope in my chest started to pulse back into existence, like it had been nurtured a little bit.
00:29:00.000Yo, and with Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
00:29:03.000standing with Trump, Trump brings them in.
00:29:06.000My entire life, this has always been like, it's not possible, this could never happen, and now it's staring us in the face.
00:29:16.000And when you look at Kamala going down to the border, the panic, when you look at the catastrophes we're dealing with now and the sentiment people have over the war, the conflict, the economy, Byron Donald's going on Breakfast Club.
00:29:28.000Now, I am concerned about shadow campaigns, that's what they call it, but I believe on the merits this unity party is winning.
00:29:36.000We just have to make sure that procedurally we carry the weight as well so they don't play any funny games.
00:29:39.000Yeah, I think if it's a fair and free election then of course they're going to win.
00:29:46.000The sentiment of, you know, the people uniting, even though they may have their differences, They work together and they kind of agree on a lot of the base issues.
00:29:54.000It's not just a Western thing, an American thing.
00:29:57.000I've been across in Europe, across the pond in Europe, and you have Swedes being told that the Swedish have no culture, which is insane for us to think of, but they're being told the similar things that we're being told.
00:30:09.000Americans have no culture, just give it up, you know, accept mass migration.
00:30:14.000And so it's kind of this whole battle of the people versus the establishment all across the world.
00:30:19.000And people have told me in Europe, members of the European Parliament, or members of Parliament in their respective countries, saying we need Trump to win.
00:30:26.000If he doesn't win, then we're screwed because the establishment is going to take over here.
00:30:53.000You want to get in line and sue me like the federal government?
00:30:56.000Like, by all means, have fun with yourself.
00:30:58.000Speaking of people versus establishment, though, before we move off of this photo, it's important to point out that the fact that Tulsi and RFK are currently already selecting people for the Trump cabinet and all the different parts of that administration
00:31:15.000They're not, they can't really talk about it too much and we don't have like any certain confirmation but I was specifically mingling within his campaign at that event and trying to ask and ask and ask about that because like you know politically they can't quite come out and I was like you should come out and tell us all about it because most people that are intelligent and want to support Trump look at his last presidency and say yeah but you kind of got handled bro and that's one of the biggest concerns about him and he's actively doing something really meaningful about it.
00:31:42.000This is what I was saying to Ian when he was here and he was like, after the first debate, after THE debate with Trump and Kamala, he's like, all Trump did was yell and complain and defend himself and his ego and all Kamala did was insult him, these people are terrible.
00:31:55.000And I just said, would you support RFK Jr.?
00:32:29.000Elon Musk is coming on, but Rand Paul still hasn't endorsed.
00:32:33.000I was talking to the Libertarian Party members when we were at their convention and I said, what would it take for you guys to say you're voting for Trump?
00:32:41.000And they were like, If Trump makes Rand Paul his VP pick, every Libertarian votes for him.
00:32:46.000Just the whole Libertarian party just votes for Trump at that point.
00:32:48.000Well, that would be the highest office attained by a Libertarian, right?
00:33:18.000I swear that Trump had said in an interview, like, Elon Musk has a lot going on.
00:33:22.000It's hard for me to think of Elon Musk being in the administration, also running SpaceX, also like Tesla and X and all this stuff.
00:33:30.000And also producing like four kids a year.
00:33:32.000Yeah, I mean, on average, if not more.
00:33:34.000As an advisor, he's one of the biggest companies in the world.
00:33:38.000He's involved in energy, so I'm sure Trump would want his opinion when it comes to energy production.
00:33:45.000That's why it's hard for me seeing him.
00:33:46.000It's not like I really don't think he would be a cabinet member, but I think he and Trump obviously have a strong relationship and he will probably be involved or influential in some capacity.
00:33:55.000Because you're involved with the grassroots movement, I wanted to ask how you felt How do debates like this impact down-ticket conversations as we get closer to the election?
00:34:05.000I mean, I think I've talked to a lot of the local party folks.
00:34:08.000They're not very excited for this debate.
00:34:10.000I mean, I think it's kind of a waste of time, in a sense, in that it's really about Trump and Kamala, of course.
00:34:17.000But obviously, after hearing the recent news with Walls having panic attacks and being nervous about this, that's kind of a red pill, I think, or a white pill.
00:34:27.000I think that actually does excite people, and we want to see what happens with it.
00:34:30.000I think if Walls really bombs this debate, maybe that could actually give a good boost to the American First folks.
00:34:35.000So, in that sense, I think they're excited.
00:34:37.000But otherwise, it wasn't really that exciting of an event.
00:34:40.000People were saying, I don't know if I even want to watch it.
00:34:41.000Well, let's pull up this story that's from the New York Post.
00:34:44.000I don't know how much this news will matter after we actually watch the debate, but it's going to be fun.
00:35:55.000I mean, no one is really talking about it, but this is another time that they're going to say, oh, well, he sort of misspoke, he misrepresented.
00:36:24.000I don't know how much of the debate needs to be spent on Tim Walz is a liar and we can prove it consistently, but it does seem like there is a reason for Walz to be nervous that J.D.
00:38:37.000Okay, some people were stoked, but like he has shown up and he has thrown down.
00:38:41.000Like even as an example, the way he talked about stolen valor, it's not like he's saying anything super revolutionary, but he's just the perfect guy to talk about it because he went and he served and when he talks about it, it's so articulate and so to the point.
00:38:52.000And I think that having seen Trump and Biden sort of like Go at each other for the last, like, three years or whatever until Kamala took over.
00:39:01.000People are ready for, like, a younger guy that's really coherent, that's really sharp and quick.
00:39:05.000Because Trump is just a different type of rhetoric, and Vance brings this, like, very refreshing version of that Republican Party.
00:39:10.000Well, Vance also, he's not just, like, some elitist, screw-up, or spoon-in-his-mouth.
00:39:27.000Even if not every political journalist followed his career that intensely, the likelihood that average Americans are aware of him in that capacity is higher than, you know, any other politician in America who doesn't have this benefit.
00:39:40.000And I think that's to his credit because I think he is more representational of the frustrations that Americans have with the government right now.
00:39:48.000Like, they feel trapped in the position they're in and they want to be able to get out of it.
00:39:53.000Yeah, it's worth noting too that Tim Walz has also been bragging about the number of illegal aliens in his state and the way he treats the immigration policies, and that is backfiring super hard right now.
00:40:05.000And I think that it is going to backfire even harder as this hurricane relief plays out, because all of the relief money that is supposed to be saving Americans from this hurricane is being spent on all of these illegal aliens all across the country.
00:41:00.000Yeah, I come from, like, Seattle, Washington area, and they actually, like, that kind of Democrat, they hear the Tampon Tim thing, they're like, Another ignorant Republican that doesn't understand.
00:41:28.000When the story was reported widely in the corporate press, they said, Governor Tim Walz is being criticized because he was trying to provide students with feminine hygiene products.
00:41:38.000And so the implication to liberals who don't watch the news is, young women were suffering, and Tim Walz said, we're going to make sure they get the stuff they need, and then Republicans attacked him for it.
00:41:49.000They report really selectively and it's impossible to understand from the Republican side because a lot of liberals, like my parents for example, they get their little slice and they actually don't educate a lot of liberals what the actual LGBT agenda is.
00:42:02.000A lot of them have no idea what it is.
00:42:04.000If Vance mentions that it's going into the boys' restrooms, even a lot of liberals will say, I don't agree with that.
00:42:12.000But saying Tampon Tim is... No, not that alone.
00:42:16.000I'm just saying that's the starting point, and then you explain what you mean by that.
00:42:19.000I don't think you should say Tampon Tim.
00:42:20.000I think the moderates are going to be like, huh?
00:42:25.000Yeah, there's an argument to be made for letting Trump keep the rhetoric because he's already there, and letting Vance appeal to this more moderate Vance needs to say, look, there's been a lot of criticisms of, you know, when you were working in government because feminine hygiene products were being placed in the boys' bathrooms.
00:42:41.000I don't know if that's a waste of taxpayer money or what that was about, but a lot of people were upset by it.
00:42:46.000I'm wondering if you could answer what that was all about.
00:42:55.000When Tim Walz goes, look, there are transgender students and they need access to feminine hygiene products in boys' bathrooms, too, and the boys' room should have the tampons, then J.D.
00:43:07.000You know, what's funny is the Canadian military put tampons in men's rooms on military bases, and the tampon dispensers kept getting vandalized and ripped off the walls.
00:43:19.000Well, that was happening in high schools.
00:43:20.000Yeah, well, this was happening on Canadian military bases, and so the Canadian military opened up a hate crimes... Oh, Canada, come on.
00:43:37.000Vance has probably got, you know, a hundred different arguments and questions that Tim Walz will not be able to answer on that stage.
00:43:45.000And I'm going to be excited for this, but Trump had some opportunities he missed.
00:43:48.000When Trump brought up she wants transgender surgery for illegal immigrants, the response from everyone was, Trump's gone crazy.
00:43:56.000When Trump goes, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, the general response that I see in the corporate press is, oh, Trump has gone crazy.
00:44:07.000And look, I know, I know, it's my opinion, you guys can disagree, I'm just saying what I would do if I was Trump is I'd say, look, Kamala has been a disaster for this country.
00:44:14.000I was just reading CNN this morning, and what was it they reported that CNN's reporting, Kamala, you wanted transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants?
00:44:31.000I think that another aspect of what's happening tonight is Vance actually, if he does well, he has an opportunity to recontextualize the entire first debate, especially if they do a three-on-one moderation thing again, because Vance can stand there and take that and be like, oh, remember the last debate when you did the same thing before?
00:44:47.000And the more that Vance can kind of like recontextualize things that happened in the first debate and give you a different closure to them, I think that he actually could, this debate could almost be more important than the first debate in a lot of ways because it lasts longer if he does it right.
00:45:19.000But I have to imagine the Democrats wanted Kamala to go in and actually boost her polls by appealing to people, and they genuinely thought the plan would be insult Trump, get him flustered, and he'll act a fool, and then you'll win.
00:45:30.000And then the end of it, people just went, yeah, we know Trump, though.
00:45:33.000He's a known quantity, and he's better on the economy.
00:45:38.000Yeah, I think that this is an interesting dynamic between the two of them because, yes, they are their own separate politicians and have their own records to account for, but ultimately, Vance and Walz are there to represent Trump and Harris, and because Harris never fully defined any goals for her Opportunity, economy, or any whatever else she was vaguely promising.
00:46:00.000This is a good opportunity for Vance not only to push Tim Walz on stuff that he has said, but to say, like, why can't your campaign give us a specific goal?
00:46:38.000International Longshoreman Association President Harold Daggett said the strike his union launched on Tuesday would cripple America.
00:46:44.000Quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means, Daggett said.
00:46:49.000In a news scrum, Daggett said the issue for workers is protection against automation, which he says is currently not strong enough because what happens is they come in with new technology.
00:46:58.000We just caught them in Mobile, was it Mobile?
00:47:04.000And that means the trucks are coming in and they're already checked in somewhere else and not using the checkers in the ILA to circumvent the contract.
00:47:33.000I mean, it's important to note that this is happening during a Democratic presidency and Democrats are supposed to be the party of the workers.
00:47:41.000Biden was the first one to go stand on a picket line, right?
00:47:44.000So he's theoretically, of all of Democrats, the most pro-union, most working man of them all.
00:47:49.000I've read the number that this will cost America something like $4 billion a day.
00:47:54.000I don't know if that's totally true, but it is fascinating to me because I actually think automation is One of the growing threats to American workers, I'm not trying to be a tech foe, but this is the reality, right?
00:48:05.000There are people whose jobs will be automated away.
00:48:07.000The other part that I know about this is that it's the East Coast longshoremen, because one of the things that they had asked was that their salaries be matched to the West Coast longshoremen.
00:48:16.000West Coast longshoremen, I assume, are dealing with a lot of shipments from China.
00:48:21.000I just want to say, like, I don't know anything about this Daggett guy, but after just reading that quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means.
00:48:38.000Yeah, the unions were historically Democrat, right, but they refused to endorse the Democrat president recently because their own members were not voting Democrat.
00:48:51.000What is their argument for how they're going to win without the Teamsters, without union workers, with an economic crisis, the docks shutting down a month out from the election, Israel being bombed, a hurricane disaster zone they were ignoring?
00:49:28.000I don't know how you can say we don't have an economic crisis when the pro-union president now has to deal with, what, the fourth or fifth major union strike of his presidency?
00:49:37.000If the workers are this unhappy, clearly the economy must be even worse.
00:49:41.000They keep saying, like the White House keeps saying about this one, that they're not going to invoke the Taft-Hartley Act to, you know, basically bust the strike.
00:49:48.000So that means somebody is going to have to go in there and negotiate.
00:49:50.000And every day that goes by is going to be months of recovery, you know?
00:49:54.000I mean, it's just going to take that much longer.
00:49:56.000And we saw what the supply chain crisis was like during COVID.
00:50:26.000I think there might be a very strong case to be made that they're actually aware that Trump is going to win, and what they're doing is they're getting World War III started, so he has to deal with that.
00:50:33.000They just started cutting rates in the economy, so there will be a crazy crash-recession thing.
00:50:37.000It's like that just always will follow what we're doing there in the economy.
00:50:40.000So it looks more like what might be happening is they're setting up the worst possible administration for him to deal with, so they can run their media wheels on him again and divide the nation further and try to do a rerun of his first presidency.
00:50:52.000And hopefully then capitalize on that division after the war is done.
00:50:56.000I think the escalations in the Middle East and Ukraine may be intentional because they want Trump to inherit a war that he cannot get out of.
00:51:03.000They want Trump to inherit an economy where they can say, we warned you.
00:51:07.000I take a look at Afghanistan and simply, it makes no sense.
00:51:12.000There's literally no reason to abandon Bagram Air Force Base in your withdrawal.
00:51:16.000They could have handled all their evacuations through Bagram.
00:51:19.000Then, once they got their evacuations out, the interpreters, the U.S.
00:51:22.000men and women could be circling around Bagram and then evacuate and leave a small amount of contingent, a small contingent in to maintain air logistics and support so the Taliban doesn't overrun everything.
00:51:32.000Instead, they abandoned Bagram in the middle of the night without telling anybody.
00:51:36.000Locals just started looting and raiding the Air Force Base for whatever they could.
00:51:45.000They said that there were pilots in the Afghan security forces who were landing and just abandoning their helicopters because there was no logistics, no radio support anymore.
00:51:55.000And I don't know if it was, but the theory that goes around online is that they wanted to punish the Trump administration and the American people for abandoning this project.
00:52:05.000That they were going to try and make an example where they can say, see, we can't just leave because we don't want Afghanistan again.
00:52:12.000I'm sure they'll say something very similar with Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan.
00:52:15.000Oh no, but if we leave Ukraine, look what happened to Afghanistan.
00:52:51.000Well, they did that to Trump with the China virus stuff, where he was leaving, and they're like, hey, you had a crappy economy, and now we made it great just because we have jobs coming back.
00:53:00.000In this situation, it's like he's coming in the beginning, so he can't actually fix it.
00:53:04.000Instead of on his way out, they make a problem.
00:53:07.000You know, there's another key factor here that's different this time, and that's X. Last time, we had no true free speech platform in order to counter the narrative, and they had all the censorship locked down, and so that division was powerful.
00:53:22.000And we saw it as soon as Biden took office, just the insanity of the left versus the right and the different sets of facts they're all living in.
00:53:28.000But even today, the mainstream media is having to report on X's reporting because X is reporting the truth before anyone else can cover the stories.
00:53:35.000And so when you have that fundamental free speech dynamic overlaying them trying to smear Trump throughout four years of him fixing all these problems that they created, that might be actually like they might be setting themselves up for a serious failure that they have not foreseen.
00:53:48.000And, you know, with X changing like that and Elon Musk taking a stand like that, we even saw over the summer Mark Zuckerberg kind of like backing off his previous thing.
00:53:56.000He said that he wasn't going to be giving a ton of money to any political campaign, specifically Democrats, who he gave a ton of money to last time.
00:54:03.000He called Trump after the assassination attempt and said that he was, you know, and then in an interview said that he was badass for doing that.
00:54:09.000He brought on a Republican, you know, fight, fight, fight.
00:54:12.000He brought on a Republican strategist and he said that he was more libertarian than anything else.
00:54:18.000It must be clear, Zuckerberg should still go on trial, but you're right, it is sick.
00:54:23.000But like, to have Elon Musk stand up and take all those slings and arrows, it made it so that Zuckerberg could in the background be like, oh, hey everybody, hey, what's going on?
00:54:32.000Or at least look at it and say, becoming libertarian is the right thing to do, people respond to that better.
00:54:37.000I heard Zuckerberg is becoming more masculine, he's training in MMA, he's becoming one of the boys, and so now his opinion has changed.
00:55:14.000Well, also it's that you start earning, like the thing about fitness that's interesting is that you cannot, like you have to earn it.
00:55:19.000Even if you cheat with the cheats, you know, you still have to earn it.
00:55:22.000And people, like, you don't always necessarily become full conservative, but every time someone that's never exercised or worked out or felt strong in any way, like, the Democrat Party lives on the handout mindset, right?
00:55:34.000And the moment you start giving yourself the handouts, it's like, wait a minute.
00:55:43.000You're somebody who feels the burn every day, and you struggle, and you're trying to achieve something, and then you get there, and now you're fit, and you've got muscles, and then they say, you have privilege.
00:55:55.000You're getting these things because they're being gifted to you, and you're like, you don't have any idea how hard it was to, like, you guys eat donuts and Twinkies and HoHos and lay on the couch all day.
00:56:02.000It's so easy, and I break myself every day to be the best version of myself.
00:56:07.000That's when people are like, I should pay taxes.
00:56:12.000I did judo off and on for nine years, and you get your ass kicked at first by even small guys, and you build your way up, and so yeah, you're like, I earned this, I belong here.
00:56:22.000And so I encourage everyone in your audience to do some kind of martial arts, even the basic level, because you will learn what it means to earn your keep.
00:56:37.000And this is a big shift for a lot of people because, you know, I've known people who have been unhealthy and they're like, I had to turn things around.
00:57:07.000And the amount of money that is going to health care is insane.
00:57:10.000And that is all coming from the sicknesses that are funded, that are being created by what the MAHA movement is speaking out about.
00:57:17.000By all of these poisons in our food, like all the diabetes in our world right now.
00:57:20.000Like it's crazy that the Trump, MAGA and MAHA movement is speaking out about that health issue that is directly what we're talking about here of like, why are we paying for all that?
00:57:42.000Yeah, I mean, it's really so important.
00:57:45.000Like, I didn't always feel that way, and I used to eat a lot more takeout and stuff, but since I started pretty much just cooking all my own food, I'm so careful about what I put in it.
00:58:28.000All you gotta do is wake up in the morning, go pick up, you get two hens, they're friends.
00:58:31.000Listen, I wake up in the morning, I get my kid to school, I work out, I write my newsletter, I start doing my job, and the next thing I know, I'm exhausted and it's midnight.
00:58:58.000You know, there's another aspect to the health thing that we haven't actually touched on.
00:59:01.000I think we forget a lot is we all just went through COVID and we got pushed all this pharma bullshit during COVID when everyone knew all along from the very start that if you're healthy, you're pretty much good.
00:59:11.000Like you pretty much don't have to worry about it.
00:59:31.000is lectern and here we go give us your last thoughts as we watch your eyes are balanced and it's often the way i a zare there is a project in the hands of moderate and i think i performance that seems obvious but no full footballs all right looking for a viral model that's what they'll be looking for to dance looks way more relaxed yeah and he's also one making the comments that you have a good idea as well as the articles like i can't believe there's anything he wants to do the same as our uh... colleagues We got 40 seconds, but we'll get ready.
00:59:59.000I look at this, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything like that.
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01:04:01.000still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.
01:04:10.000It is down now to one or two weeks' time.
01:04:14.000Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?
01:04:26.000And thank you for those joining at home tonight.
01:04:28.000Let's keep in mind where this started.
01:04:30.000October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.
01:04:40.000Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.
01:04:43.000Getting its hostages back, fundamental.
01:04:47.000And ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
01:04:51.000But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.
01:04:59.000You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.
01:05:07.000But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.
01:05:11.000It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.
01:06:39.000And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
01:06:46.000I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
01:06:53.000I was raised in a working class family.
01:06:57.000My grandmother required social security help to raise me and she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
01:07:05.000I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.
01:07:10.000And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams.
01:07:19.000And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.
01:07:26.000I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again.
01:07:36.000Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.
01:07:49.000People were afraid of stepping out of line.
01:07:51.000Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
01:08:00.000They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.
01:08:08.000Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
01:08:13.000They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
01:08:21.000Now you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.
01:08:24.000Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
01:08:32.000I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
01:08:37.000Governor Walz, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?
01:08:40.000Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.
01:08:42.000We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump.
01:08:47.000Tim Walz, the ex-CIS in the coalition of Iran.
01:08:50.000That had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.
01:08:55.000Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.
01:08:59.000So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.
01:09:04.000And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.
01:09:13.000And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S.
01:09:17.000troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.
01:09:24.000Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.
01:09:28.000He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.
01:09:32.000Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.
01:10:06.000Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.
01:10:12.000You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.
01:10:17.000And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.
01:10:19.000Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?
01:10:24.000Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.
01:10:28.000Now, we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.
01:10:38.000But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
01:10:42.000It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
01:10:45.000So, Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.
01:10:55.000Donald Trump has already done it once before.
01:10:57.000Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?
01:11:06.000The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.
01:11:54.000Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane, because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.
01:12:00.000I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.
01:12:10.000And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them.
01:12:16.000And we want as robust and aggressive as possible as we can get to save as many lives as possible.
01:12:21.000And of course, afterwards, to help the people in those communities rebuild.
01:12:25.000I mean, these are communities that I love.
01:12:26.000Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.
01:12:30.000They need their government to do their job.
01:12:32.000And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.
01:12:39.000Now Nora, you asked about climate change.
01:12:41.000I think this is a very important issue.
01:12:43.000Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.
01:12:47.000I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.
01:12:52.000We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
01:12:54.000But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions.
01:13:00.000This idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.
01:13:04.000Well, let's just say that's true, just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science.
01:13:09.000Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?
01:13:12.000The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.
01:13:23.000What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?
01:13:26.000More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world.
01:13:34.000And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.
01:13:39.000So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.
01:13:47.000And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
01:14:19.000The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there too, that we recover.
01:14:22.000But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused.
01:14:26.000Now look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen.
01:14:33.000Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past.
01:14:35.000Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in.
01:14:42.000What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment.
01:14:48.000We've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred thousand jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sits in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real.
01:15:11.000They've seen five hundred year droughts, five hundred year floods back to back.
01:15:15.000But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean, and I harvest wind.
01:15:22.000We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have.
01:15:25.000We're also producing more clean energy.
01:15:28.000So, the solution for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real.
01:15:34.000Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice.
01:15:39.000You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country.
01:15:43.000That's exactly what this administration has done.
01:15:46.000We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.
01:15:50.000And that's what absolutely makes sense.
01:15:52.000And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters.
01:16:05.000Well look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.
01:16:20.000So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.
01:16:24.000If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.
01:16:27.000Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy.
01:16:33.000I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here.
01:16:36.000I'm talking, of course, about the Democratic leadership.
01:16:39.000And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier.
01:16:50.000We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.
01:16:54.000Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components.
01:17:45.000And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this.
01:17:49.000And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.
01:17:53.000The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future.
01:17:58.000How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?
01:18:01.000How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?
01:18:05.000But to call it a hoax and to take The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.
01:18:13.000and I'll let you do whatever you want.
01:18:14.000We can be smarter about that and an all above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here.
01:19:04.000So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.
01:19:08.000We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.
01:19:17.00094 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.
01:19:28.000And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.
01:19:31.000I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and is and has gotten clean. I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've got to stop the bleeding. You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations. And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do? So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. What do we do with them?
01:19:59.000I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants.
01:20:03.000About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.
01:20:08.000I think you start with deportations on those folks.
01:20:12.000And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers.
01:20:16.000A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country.
01:20:21.000And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.
01:20:26.000And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.
01:20:29.000Right now in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.
01:20:37.000Some of them have been sex trafficked.
01:20:39.000Some of them hopefully are at homes with their families.
01:20:42.000Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.
01:20:44.000The real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border.
01:20:51.000And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.
01:20:57.000Real leadership would be saying, you know what?
01:21:06.000Do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations, including that the Vice President is, quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things?
01:21:19.000It's not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis.
01:21:24.000And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history.
01:21:30.00030% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do.
01:21:33.000But let's go back to this on immigration.
01:21:34.000Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and a border state in California.
01:21:38.000She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.
01:23:32.000Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
01:23:36.000I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
01:23:40.000I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.
01:23:50.000Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
01:23:53.000For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.
01:24:00.000We had a record number of illegal crossings.
01:24:02.000We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
01:24:05.000And now Well, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
01:24:13.000The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
01:24:25.000This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
01:24:30.000Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president.
01:24:55.000And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying, I will create stories to bring attention to this.
01:25:03.000That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield.
01:25:08.000The Republican governor said, it's not true.
01:25:26.000law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school.
01:25:29.000I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point.
01:25:38.000And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.
01:25:46.000Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.
01:25:51.000The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.
01:25:59.000So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this.
01:26:08.000that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement. You have one minute.
01:26:16.000Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job. I've been to the southern border more than our borders are. Kamala Harris has been. And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job. Of course, additional resources would help.
01:26:25.000And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job.
01:26:30.000Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.
01:26:32.000But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.
01:26:41.000You've got to go back through proper channels.
01:26:42.000Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.
01:26:50.000Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed.
01:26:56.000You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.
01:26:58.000You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.
01:27:06.000The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
01:28:43.000And since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
01:28:47.000So there's an application called the CBP One App.
01:28:50.000You can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
01:29:02.000That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.
01:29:06.000That is the facilitation of a legal immigration.
01:29:09.000Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
01:29:35.000The economy is a top concern for voters.
01:29:38.000Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics.
01:29:43.000Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.
01:29:51.000The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion.
01:29:58.000How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit?
01:30:17.000The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue.
01:30:23.000The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.
01:30:30.000A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.
01:32:18.000Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.
01:32:23.000A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.
01:32:28.000Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.
01:32:32.000Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.
01:32:45.000Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.
01:32:48.000Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.
01:32:54.000If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
01:33:00.000Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago.
01:33:05.000And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.
01:33:11.000Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record.
01:33:16.000A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom.
01:33:22.000Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world.
01:33:33.000So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say, look at the record.
01:33:39.000He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.
01:33:42.000Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, but if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle-class and working-class Americans.
01:33:58.000It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country.
01:34:05.000That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.
01:34:15.000I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.
01:34:17.000It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.
01:34:21.000Governor, do you want to respond to that?
01:34:23.000What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class?
01:34:24.000Well, Kamala Harris' Day 1 was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy.
01:34:30.000We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.
01:34:59.000If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump.
01:35:05.000And the same thing goes with this, and I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, and Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years, in the last year as president?
01:35:45.000They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.
01:35:55.000And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
01:36:04.000We're bringing American manufacturing back.
01:36:07.000We're going to make more of our own stuff.
01:36:09.000And this isn't just an economic issue.
01:36:11.000I mean, I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them very much, and I hope they're in bed right now.
01:36:17.000But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us.
01:36:23.000This has to stop and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts.
01:36:28.000We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on.
01:36:32.000I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump.
01:36:54.000I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
01:37:41.000So if you notice what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.
01:37:47.000And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as this generalization did.
01:37:53.000So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
01:37:59.000You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.
01:38:04.000You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
01:38:08.000And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.
01:38:18.000I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household.
01:38:25.000I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.
01:39:20.000Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
01:40:50.000I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.
01:40:54.000I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.
01:41:02.000So this is about trying to understand the world.
01:41:05.000It's about trying to do the best for your community.
01:41:08.000And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.
01:41:12.000My commitment, whether it be through which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.
01:41:21.000Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the military preference?
01:41:28.000All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.
01:41:31.000So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest, went in.
01:41:42.000And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in government.
01:41:49.000Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office.
01:41:56.000And you said he could be America's Hitler.
01:41:59.000I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments.
01:42:04.000And explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
01:42:07.000But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
01:42:22.000You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.
01:42:27.000If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?
01:42:39.000Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.
01:42:41.000And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president.
01:42:43.000But I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
01:42:47.000I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.
01:42:54.000But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.
01:42:57.000Rising wages, rising take home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.
01:43:07.000But Margaret, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.
01:43:13.000It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed.
01:43:13.000It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what change.
01:43:21.000Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020.
01:43:21.000Now, you pointed out to messages from 2020.
01:43:23.000Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job.
01:43:32.000I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just a high-class debating society.
01:43:37.000It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.
01:43:43.000So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better about how they govern the country.
01:43:54.000They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.
01:43:57.000I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax.
01:44:07.000And you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.
01:44:16.000And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record. Think about this.
01:44:26.000If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says, you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage.
01:44:45.000Now to the issue of reproductive rights.
01:44:48.000Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.
01:44:59.000Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine.
01:46:11.000So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe vs. Wade.
01:46:15.000We made sure that we put Women in charge of their healthcare.
01:46:19.000But look, if you don't know Amanda or Hadley, you soon will.
01:46:25.000Their Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.
01:46:29.000It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.
01:46:38.000For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child.
01:46:43.000That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.
01:46:47.000And the catch-all on this is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.
01:47:19.000And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.
01:47:27.000And, you know, I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.
01:47:38.000And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.
01:47:41.000And I know she's watching tonight and I love you and she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship and I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us. And I
01:48:11.000think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.
01:48:25.000I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family.
01:48:30.000And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options.
01:48:37.000Now of course Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically that we have a big country and it's diverse and California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.
01:48:48.000Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this As messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.
01:48:58.000Let the individual states make their abortion policy.
01:49:01.000And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.
01:49:12.000Yeah, well, the question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.
01:49:18.000Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states.
01:49:22.000There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.
01:49:24.000She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state.
01:49:27.000Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.
01:49:34.000Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.
01:49:38.000The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?
01:49:50.000There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.
01:49:57.000That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade.
01:49:59.000When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same.
01:50:05.000Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.
01:50:09.000I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.
01:50:17.000He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.
01:50:20.000In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.
01:50:26.000In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.
01:50:36.000My question is, why have you changed your position?
01:50:39.000Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
01:50:42.000I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard.
01:50:47.000For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level.
01:50:52.000I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.
01:50:58.000But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum And the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.
01:51:10.000And I think that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.
01:51:14.000So many young women would love to have families.
01:51:17.000So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships.
01:51:25.000And we have got to earn people's trust back.
01:51:27.000And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that, and that's what real leadership is.
01:51:55.000Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.
01:51:59.000And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's the state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.
01:52:08.000We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.
01:52:12.000We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children.
01:52:16.000But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.
01:52:24.000We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices, and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care.
01:52:42.000First of all, Governor, I agree with you.
01:52:43.000Amber Thurmond should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was.
01:52:49.000And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.
01:53:10.000That is I think whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.
01:53:15.000And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?
01:53:23.000Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.
01:53:28.000We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family, but please, Yes, Governor, please respond.
01:53:38.000Look, this is a very simple proposition.
01:53:41.000These are women's decisions to make about their healthcare decisions, and the physicians who know best when they need to do this.
01:53:47.000Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.
01:53:53.000Please tell me, what was I wrong about?
01:53:54.000That is not the way the law is written.
01:53:57.000I've given this advice on a lot of things that getting involved getting to get that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate but the point on this is is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved I use this line on this just mind your own business on this things work best when Roe vs. Wade was in place when we do a restoration of Roe that works best that doesn't preclude us From increasing funding for children.
01:54:22.000It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals.
01:54:31.000So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.
01:54:37.000She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
01:54:40.000I asked a specific question, Governor.
01:55:00.000Well, so I pulled up a doc, let me get on the computer.
01:55:03.000There was, my understanding real quick is that there was language that basically said a doctor must use all methods to save the life of a child in this circumstance.
01:55:11.000And it was changed to basically say, well, they don't have to.
01:55:15.000Allowing a doctor to say, right, right, right.
01:55:17.000So, look, it's hard to search for it so specific, but I'll pull it up while you guys... Can I just tell you guys what my kid said?
01:55:22.000Because he's watching us watch the debate.
01:55:47.000And he's super disarmed by the fact that JD Vance is like, thank you Margaret, thank you Nora, thank you Tim.
01:55:52.000Like, JD Vance came in, he is subtly aggressive, like he's not going to be pushed around by this, but it was not this like, I'm throwing punches, slugging guy that I think Tim Walz had prepared himself for.
01:56:03.000But I love the, I'm sure Walz would agree with me on this, and then it continues on his part.
01:56:08.000And then Walz is like, yes, I do agree with Tim.
01:56:35.000I think Harris and his wife Gwen are going to yell at him after this.
01:56:40.000What I can pull up right now real quick, well, we're going to keep the debate alive, but it's just ABC News reporting the Born Alive bill passed by the House would require care for infants born alive after failed abortion.
01:57:03.000I am pretty sure that I have seen reporting on actual instances of it happening in the last, like, six months.
01:57:09.000So just to clarify, what Vance is saying was, in the event there was a late-term abortion that fails and the baby survives, the doctors were required previously to provide life-saving care to the baby.
01:57:19.000Under the new law, it's sort of their own discretion, it removes the requirement.
01:57:25.000What Waltz kept saying was, that's not how the law is written.
01:57:27.000He didn't say no, he was like, that's not what's in the law, that's not how it's written.
01:57:31.000Not to mention that even supporting such late-term abortions is a pretty wild take in the first place.
01:57:37.000And also he didn't answer whether or not he believed that.
01:57:42.000Even conservative states have exceptions, and he's bringing up these really exceptional cases saying, well, you just can't get an abortion.
01:57:48.000If you're going to die, you can't get an abortion.
01:57:50.000That's not really considered an abortion.
01:57:51.000In a lot of states it's considered medical care because it's the life of the mother.
01:57:55.000Whereas if it's just inconvenience or whatever other reason they want to have an abortion, that's not an exceptional case.
01:58:01.000What he's bringing up is like the 1% of abortions.
01:58:04.000He's talking about Amber Thurman, right?
01:58:06.000Amber Thurman died during emergency surgery after taking an abortion pill.
01:58:31.000These abortion pills are actually really dangerous.
01:58:33.000She would not have suffered from it if she had not taken the pill.
01:58:36.000The bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken to preserve the life and health of born-alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for care, which the bill's house author Rep.
01:58:46.000Tina Leibling, DFL Rochester, has described as mere comfort care.
01:58:50.000Under the new language, an infant could be denied life-saving care and allowed to die.
01:58:54.000So the argument is from Vance that, I think it's a bit more definitive, but it's basically the language was changed as such that there is a legal defense that you could allow the baby to die.
01:59:04.000Well, Megyn Kelly just posted this that says, it was from mccl.org, January 3rd, 2023.
01:59:11.000Today, Governor Jim Walz signed into law the Protective Reproduction Options Act to enshrine in state statute fundamental right to abortion without limits or safeguards.
01:59:22.000Welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate.
01:59:26.000We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.
01:59:29.000The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms.
01:59:35.000Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence.
01:59:41.000You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s.
01:59:48.000So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
01:59:59.000Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?
02:00:05.000Yeah, well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.
02:00:11.000I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.
02:00:15.000And the details really matter here, of course.
02:00:16.000For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.
02:00:24.000But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.
02:00:31.000And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.
02:00:38.000And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.
02:00:43.000And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.
02:00:48.000And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.
02:00:52.000The question is just how do we actually do it?
02:00:55.000Now, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.
02:01:00.000The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.
02:01:08.000And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.
02:01:18.000So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.
02:01:27.000And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security.
02:01:37.000But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools.
02:01:42.000We have to make the doors lock better.
02:01:45.000We've got to make the windows stronger.
02:01:47.000And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea That we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys.
02:01:55.000It just doesn't fit with recent experience.
02:01:57.000So we've got to make our schools safer.
02:01:59.000And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
02:02:16.000As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall.
02:02:32.000We understand that the Second Amendment Is there but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in Minnesota.
02:02:39.000We've enacted enhanced red flag laws enhanced background checks and we can start to get data.
02:02:46.000But here's the problem if we really want to solve this we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence and this idea that we should just live with it and I and I here's what I do think that this is a good start to the conversation.
02:03:00.000I 100% believe that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's abhorrent and it breaks your heart. I agree with that. But it's that's not far enough when we know they're things that work.
02:03:12.000I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools. They don't have this happen even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.
02:03:21.000There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.
02:03:25.000It's not infringing on your Second Amendment.
02:03:28.000And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense.
02:03:33.000Kamala Harris, as an Attorney General, worked on this issue.
02:03:38.000No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?
02:03:46.000Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills?
02:04:15.000And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland.
02:04:17.000Because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland's.
02:04:26.000We have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse.
02:04:32.000We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
02:04:36.000We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.
02:04:47.000Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.
02:04:57.000And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets.
02:05:04.000I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.
02:06:58.000We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.
02:07:08.000It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.
02:07:12.000Those are not folks living in those houses.
02:07:14.000Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.
02:07:16.000I bought and owned one house in my life.
02:07:18.000My mom still lives in the house where I was and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family.
02:07:28.000And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead.
02:07:38.000We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing.
02:08:32.000People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.
02:08:35.000People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.
02:08:39.000All of those things in the long run end up saving our money.
02:08:42.000And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in.
02:08:46.000But we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities.
02:08:52.000The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.
02:09:04.000Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.
02:09:19.000Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?
02:09:27.000Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.
02:09:30.000We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim.
02:09:41.000Twenty five million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country.
02:09:49.000It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership.
02:10:00.000Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas.
02:10:03.000Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree with.
02:10:07.000But the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics.
02:10:14.000If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable.
02:10:30.000Now you asked Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens if you lower energy prices?
02:10:37.000As Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.
02:10:40.000One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about it.
02:10:45.000If a truck driver is paying 40 percent more for diesel than the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.
02:10:52.000If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens.
02:10:59.000Not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too.
02:11:03.000Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.
02:11:15.000Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.
02:11:18.000They're not being used for a national park.
02:11:20.000They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.
02:11:24.000And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.
02:11:27.000We have a lot of land that could be used.
02:11:30.000We have a lot of Americans that need homes.
02:11:32.000We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here.
02:11:52.000Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.
02:11:55.000But it's again, Blaming and not trying to find a solution.
02:11:58.000I was going to ask on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
02:12:03.000And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.
02:12:07.000Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.
02:12:08.000I know in the western part of the countries we do.
02:12:11.000There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example.
02:12:15.000So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks, And our federal lands.
02:12:23.000Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.
02:12:25.000We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water.
02:12:51.000Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists.
02:12:53.000Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost?
02:12:56.000Governor, Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.
02:13:02.000There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.
02:13:06.000What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?
02:13:11.000Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.
02:13:14.000We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices.
02:13:23.000Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.
02:13:27.000It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.
02:13:35.000But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do.
02:13:50.000And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes.
02:13:57.000We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.
02:15:18.000We're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions.
02:15:20.000In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten healthcare.
02:15:24.000I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.
02:15:33.000And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark Look, it's very simple common sense.
02:15:39.000I think as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage.
02:15:45.000It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation.
02:15:52.000Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again, he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's leadership.
02:16:13.000You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs.
02:16:17.000That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs.
02:16:24.000And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.
02:16:28.000Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan.
02:16:38.000He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.
02:16:43.000And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.
02:16:50.000I think this is an important point about President Trump.
02:16:52.000Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program.
02:17:05.000Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.
02:17:11.000It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do.
02:17:14.000But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies.
02:17:19.000He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.
02:17:23.000All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history.
02:17:26.000I was there at the creation of the ACA.
02:17:30.000And the reason it was so important is I come from a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.
02:18:32.000Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.
02:18:34.000Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.
02:18:38.000We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there.
02:18:42.000But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that.
02:18:52.000But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a con.
02:18:56.000Because what he explained is pre-Obama.
02:18:58.000I'll make it as simple as possible, because I have done this for a long time.
02:19:02.000What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?
02:19:07.000So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure, because guess what happens?
02:19:27.000Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan.
02:19:33.000Look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions.
02:19:39.000We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better.
02:19:45.000Now what Governor Walz just said is actually not true.
02:19:48.000A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is a lot of young and healthy people leaving the exchanges.
02:19:56.000Donald Trump actually helped address that problem and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.
02:20:04.000But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.
02:20:14.000But in reality, Donald Trump was president.
02:20:17.000Inflation was low, take home pay was higher, and he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.
02:20:28.000He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.
02:20:35.000Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration?
02:20:40.000It's higher now that we've seen it go up.
02:21:12.000And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then when you get sick and old, it's there for you.
02:21:26.000Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.
02:21:29.000Good luck buying health care once you get past 70.
02:22:18.000Yeah, well that's negotiable and that's what Congress worked, but here's what the deal is.
02:22:23.000Americans sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.
02:22:26.000Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.
02:22:30.000Kamala Harris knows that in California.
02:22:32.000Those companies provide paid family medical leave.
02:22:35.000One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.
02:22:40.000We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.
02:22:43.000You have a child, you And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born.
02:22:48.000This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.
02:22:51.000What we know is that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.
02:22:58.000So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.
02:22:59.000We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.
02:23:02.000That's how you become a pro-business state.
02:23:05.000But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick.
02:23:20.000In some places, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that.
02:23:24.000This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us.
02:23:29.000He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest.
02:23:33.000He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.
02:23:37.000What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.
02:23:41.000And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them.
02:23:47.000As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side.
02:23:52.000You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, Or our parents, to get paid the least amount of money.
02:24:00.000And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business, and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that.
02:24:06.000We were able to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this.
02:24:09.000We were listed as the best state, we're still in crisis on this.
02:24:12.000A federal program, a paid family medical leave, and help with this, will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.
02:24:34.000Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats too have worked on this issue.
02:24:38.000I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.
02:24:42.000I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator and I'm so proud of her.
02:24:55.000But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult.
02:25:02.000And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.
02:25:04.000She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company.
02:25:08.000But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I think, makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.
02:25:16.000A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately.
02:25:19.000Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.
02:25:21.000Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
02:25:23.000We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.
02:25:27.000I think this is a very important substantive difference.
02:25:30.000I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave right now, the community development block grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.
02:25:43.000These programs only go to one kind of childcare model.
02:25:46.000Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with childcare.
02:25:50.000Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the way that makes the most sense.
02:25:57.000You don't get access to any of these federal monies.
02:26:00.000We want to make a choice on how we deliver family care and how we promote child care is unacceptable.
02:26:08.000And, you know, of course, Sam and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks.
02:26:12.000And one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care of their kids.
02:26:21.000That is an incredible burden to put on American families.
02:26:49.000As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.
02:26:59.000Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?
02:27:06.000Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
02:27:23.000It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.
02:27:26.000Cut taxes for American workers and American families.
02:27:29.000Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.
02:27:38.000That's the heart of the economic proposal.
02:27:40.000And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.
02:27:54.000Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?
02:27:59.000Well because as Tim said a lot of the child care shortages we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options and we're gonna have to unfortunately look we're gonna have to spend more money we're gonna have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.
02:28:29.000Do you think Congress will allow $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised?
02:29:24.000And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not, when I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime.
02:29:44.000Nora, let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.
02:29:51.000After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.
02:29:59.000Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.
02:30:09.000Governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.
02:30:22.000Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.
02:30:31.000That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.
02:30:34.000Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even if every governor certifies the results?
02:30:44.000Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.
02:30:46.000We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
02:30:54.000But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.
02:30:57.000Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020.
02:31:00.000And my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square.
02:31:38.000It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.
02:31:43.000It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.
02:31:47.000And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.
02:31:55.000I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.
02:32:02.000Now I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr.
02:32:09.000Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition.
02:32:13.000Of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue. We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences. We ought to argue about them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done it.
02:32:34.000number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Well I've enjoyed tonight's debate and I think there was a lot of commonality here and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things and I think I'm ready to go.
02:32:51.000If we can get out of here, that'd be great.
02:32:54.000There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.
02:32:59.000Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.
02:33:39.000So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over.
02:33:43.000I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election.
02:33:50.000You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.
02:34:13.000So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.
02:34:35.000And here we are four years later in the same boat.
02:34:38.000I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.
02:34:53.000First of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.
02:35:07.000We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election.
02:35:10.000And of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win.
02:35:12.000But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.
02:35:19.000But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.
02:35:25.000Hillary Clinton, in 2016, said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.
02:35:35.000This has been going on for a long time.
02:35:38.000If we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.
02:35:42.000But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.
02:35:48.000January 6 was not Facebook ads and I think a revisionist history on this.
02:35:53.000Look, I don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was that happened. Donald Trump can you do it? And all of us say there's no place for this.
02:36:03.000It has massive repercussions. This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone.
02:38:39.000Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't?
02:38:44.000And I think Kamala Harris would agree.
02:38:46.000She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that.
02:38:48.000Because of course that's what we would do.
02:38:50.000So America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's gonna honor that democracy and who's gonna honor Donald Trump.
02:39:14.000I strongly implore you, please don't yell fire at a crowded theater, but it in fact is legally protected speech.
02:39:19.000Brandenburg v. Ohio 1969 overturned Schneck v. United States, and you can only restrict speech if it creates a threat of imminent lawless action.
02:39:28.000Thus, a person in a crowded theater who yells fire isn't doing that, and that is incorrect on the part of Waltz.
02:40:42.000And when Vance was like, you got a tough job trying to reconcile Kamala's record here, you're a nice guy, that's it.
02:40:52.000That pretty much hit the whack-a-mole on the head.
02:40:54.000But what's funny is I'm sure there's a lot of American people right now who are like, I wish they were the presidential candidates.
02:40:59.000Yes, I think there are. This gives me a little bit of like the Mitt Romney, Obama era where like they came out and one of them made a joke like, and I of course want to thank the First Lady for allowing you to be here on like your anniversary or something.
02:41:31.000Debate prepping with your wife is smart because she knows all your buttons.
02:41:34.000The thing that's great too is Vance hasn't gone after Waltz personally at all.
02:41:41.000He's been a real gentleman about the whole thing and I think that that really shows a lot of class and also it makes it so that Waltz doesn't have to look like a scoundrel himself.
02:41:51.000Waltz is able to walk out of the stage with his head held high, frankly.
02:41:54.000When Vance was asked about 2020 and his immediate reaction was, we're focused on the future.
02:41:59.000I'm cheering because I have been begging Trump to say this.
02:42:02.000Like, I understand we've got to focus on the future.
02:42:05.000Those are issues that happen, but I care about... And then he did!
02:42:08.000And then it is the utmost skill and integrity when he says, but you asked the question, so I will answer it.
02:42:15.000Man, how often do we talk about politicians vamping, pattering, or trying to jump the questions?
02:42:20.000And he kept saying, I'm going to give you an answer.
02:42:30.000I think it was really smart for the Trump campaign to bring Vivek on as, like, you know, a consultant and advisor, because he's had a lot of good ideas.
02:42:39.000I mean, politicians always want to answer in their own way, answer the question that wasn't asked, put themselves out there, but then, of course, you want to come back to the question eventually, whereas Kamala never does that.
02:45:26.000She's bringing real solutions for the middle class.
02:45:28.000And she's centering you at the heart of that.
02:45:31.000All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.
02:45:42.000I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris.
02:45:48.000Senator Vance, your closing statement.
02:45:49.000I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.
02:45:56.000One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.
02:45:58.000And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.
02:46:08.000And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.
02:46:20.000That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
02:46:23.000I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
02:46:29.000That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
02:46:32.000I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.
02:46:35.000You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.
02:46:37.000You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl.
02:46:40.000And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
02:46:44.000Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed.
02:46:55.000She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
02:46:58.000Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.
02:47:04.000Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.
02:47:08.000I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.
02:47:17.000What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world.
02:47:25.000But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.
02:47:31.000They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.
02:49:04.000I think Shapiro was still a better choice than Waltz, but I appreciate how this went down politely, and I hope for that more in the future.
02:49:34.000The people that I'm seeing on Tim Walsh's side on Twitter right now, their opinions are based on the fact that they don't understand what were lies and what were facts.
02:50:43.000and proud of their family and obviously is a very supportive and loving husband and I thought that that was, that really came, came.
02:50:49.000He spoke respectfully to the female moderators.
02:50:51.000I mean, there was no point about the way that he discussed anything that seemed anti-woman to me.
02:50:56.000I think what's interesting is that Walls did better than Harris, like even though he was flustered, he didn't do well in delivering a coherent message, but generally seemed more earnest at times than Harris ever did in any performance.
02:51:07.000I mean, I wonder now if Walls is looking at this ticket like, I have locked myself onto someone who is going to sink my potential political career.
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02:51:45.000And it tries to tap into that feeling that I get, you know, when I was working on this with Carter and Filibanti, of seeing all these run-down buildings, these abandoned cars, the crime, the homelessness.
02:51:56.000I always just wonder what it was like when that was new.
02:51:58.000When I see that building that's crumbled and collapsing, I try to imagine when that ribbon-cutting ceremony was and what happened that led our great cities to fall to where they are.
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