Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - VP DEBATE LIVE: JD Vance Vs Tim Walz w-Mark Ivanyo & Ian Carroll

00:00:00.000 Today is apocalyptic for Democrats.

00:00:16.000 I mean, you had the dock workers starting their strike in the early hours of the morning.

00:00:21.000 We are looking at a potential crippling of imports across the East Coast.

00:00:25.000 Prices are going to go up and people are going to feel it.

00:00:27.000 So I'm seeing a lot of people say, stock up now, get your gas now.

00:00:31.000 This is big.

00:00:32.000 But we also have Iran launching nearly 200 missiles at Israel and actually landing several of them.

00:00:39.000 I don't believe anybody got hurt, but this is also massive.

00:00:42.000 I'm seeing people on X saying, this is it, the breaking point.

00:00:46.000 I am done.

00:00:47.000 Look, I know a lot of people online, they're always yelling about Israel, but Israel polls really well in the United States.

00:00:52.000 And there are a lot of people that support Israel that have watched a missile strike.

00:00:56.000 Not even about that.

00:00:57.000 Even the anti-war libertarians are watching the escalation, the invasion of Lebanon and our Iranian missile strike on Israel.

00:01:03.000 Fear of Israeli retaliation.

00:01:05.000 War is getting out of hand and people are freaking out.

00:01:07.000 And of all nights, This night, when J.D.

00:01:11.000 Vance will be debating Tim Walz, Tim Walz is going to be standing there as J.D.

00:01:15.000 Vance says, you are running alongside the sitting VP, and they have presided over this disaster in the Middle East.

00:01:22.000 The conflict, the unions on strike, the economic turmoil, that is who you are partnered with.

00:01:28.000 It's gonna be massive.

00:01:28.000 So my friends, we're gonna get started with the news.

00:01:31.000 Then around 9, when the debate starts, we will kick that debate on, provide our commentary and criticism and corrections.

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00:03:37.000 We got a great panel tonight.

00:03:39.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Marc Ivano.

00:03:43.000 Thank you, Tim.

00:03:44.000 Pleasure to be here.

00:03:44.000 Who are you?

00:03:45.000 What do you do?

00:03:46.000 So, I'm Mark Cavagna, Executive Director of Republicans for National Renewal.

00:03:49.000 It's a political non-profit organization dedicated to pushing the Republican Party away from the establishment, more towards the America First grassroots.

00:03:58.000 And so, you might be wondering, what does that mean?

00:04:00.000 Well, it means taking over the Republican Party from the grassroots level up, so the local, state, and federal level, so that when President Trump is back in office, he has that infrastructure within the party to effectuate his agenda, As opposed to not only dealing with the radical left, which we expect, of course, we have the socialists, communists, etc.

00:04:17.000 But what we saw President Trump during his first term deal with was people of his own party stabbing him in the back, even after giving very nice speeches saying, we love President Trump, we're going to support his agenda.

00:04:27.000 And then when it comes time to voting, they vote against him.

00:04:29.000 And so we want to change that.

00:04:31.000 We want to make it so that there's representatives in office who support the agenda, who can help him effectuate it.

00:04:37.000 And so that's our number one mission.

00:04:39.000 Right on.

00:04:40.000 We also got Ian Carroll hanging out.

00:04:41.000 Yo, thanks for having me back on, man.

00:04:43.000 Absolutely.

00:04:43.000 Who are you?

00:04:43.000 What do you do?

00:04:44.000 I'm the TikTok researcher around here and I've been, I'm particularly excited for this debate because I've been doing a lot of digging into the CIA and the intelligence agency ties of that Kamala campaign.

00:04:56.000 And I, and obviously Wallace has a lot of weird dirt in his closet.

00:05:01.000 Yeah.

00:05:01.000 And so I, and JD Vance, is a pretty sharp guy and a pretty sharp debater, and so I'm pretty excited to see how this might rewrite the debate narrative that we've had so far in this campaign.

00:05:12.000 We'll see what comes.

00:05:13.000 Right on.

00:05:13.000 Should be fun.

00:05:14.000 Libby's hanging out.

00:05:15.000 I'm Libby Emmons.

00:05:15.000 I'm with the Postmillennial and Human Events.

00:05:17.000 Glad to be hanging out with you guys.

00:05:19.000 I'm glad you're all here.

00:05:20.000 It's a full room tonight.

00:05:21.000 We don't always have this many people, so it's great.

00:05:23.000 Great that we're here to watch the debate together.

00:05:25.000 I'm Hannah-Claire Bremlow.

00:05:26.000 You guys know me.

00:05:26.000 I'm on the show pretty regularly at this point.

00:05:29.000 Let's get started.

00:05:30.000 This is the big news.

00:05:31.000 We've got the Washington Post.

00:05:32.000 Iran launched nearly 200 missiles at Israel, U.S.

00:05:36.000 says.

00:05:36.000 And we've got video of this.

00:05:38.000 Let me see if this is the right one.

00:05:40.000 No, that's more fun political stuff.

00:05:43.000 This is much more serious stuff.

00:05:45.000 We're going to play this video for you guys now.

00:05:47.000 For those that are just listening, you can see a massive missile barrage.

00:05:57.000 And they're making contact.

00:05:59.000 It looks like many of the missiles that were fired, at least in this video, were intercepted by Israel's defense system.

00:06:06.000 We've got this video from the Washington Post.

00:06:08.000 I'll try and turn down the ambient noise so we can... I'll describe it for you guys.

00:06:12.000 A lot of these missiles actually landed, striking Israel.

00:06:16.000 So this is very serious.

00:06:18.000 It looks like...

00:06:20.000 They've actually made contact with more missiles than the last strike.

00:06:23.000 But we are literally watching now, as of today, the second massive launch from Iran into Israel.

00:06:30.000 Israel's invasion of Lebanon.

00:06:32.000 This dramatic escalation is absolutely insane.

00:06:36.000 Man, look at... Wow.

00:06:38.000 Is there a way to make this bigger?

00:06:40.000 Yo, this is wild.

00:06:43.000 You know, for those that are just listening and not watching the video, it is...

00:06:47.000 It's hard to describe.

00:06:47.000 It's crazy.

00:06:48.000 These missiles are colliding in air.

00:06:50.000 Some of them are making their way through.

00:06:53.000 I gotta tell you, right now, this is apocalyptic for the Democratic Party.

00:06:58.000 Harris and Biden are the current administration, and the Middle East is falling into abject chaos.

00:07:04.000 Ukraine invading Russia.

00:07:07.000 This is the closest we've been to World War III probably ever.

00:07:10.000 I mean, maybe you can say Cuban Missile Crisis or something like this, but now we get the threat of China and Taiwan, And of all nights for this to be going down, you got the dock workers that announced their strike today, and they're going to be debating.

00:07:21.000 J.D.

00:07:22.000 Vance and Tim Walz later on.

00:07:23.000 I don't know how commonly answers for this.

00:07:25.000 I mean, this is an apocalypse for them.

00:07:27.000 We've also got a gigantic failure of a hurricane response ongoing that Trump is absolutely nailing.

00:07:34.000 Like Trump is blowing them out of the proverbial water on that hurricane response.

00:07:38.000 And Harris responds to nothing, right?

00:07:39.000 She's never going to answer for any of this because she won't do any direct interviews.

00:07:43.000 She won't answer any direct questions.

00:07:44.000 She'll tell you she's from the middle class, but that's about it.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, but look, if you're China or Russia or any of our alleged enemies, this is your time to attack.

00:07:53.000 I mean, the election is coming up.

00:07:55.000 President Trump's not in office yet.

00:07:57.000 Why not attack now?

00:07:58.000 This is your chance.

00:07:59.000 And to go after Trump, too.

00:08:00.000 It was shocking to see Kamala Harris yesterday.

00:08:02.000 She was sitting in a briefing room.

00:08:05.000 Was it yesterday?

00:08:05.000 Was it today?

00:08:06.000 I think it was yesterday.

00:08:07.000 She was sitting in a briefing room talking about the hurricane and stuff.

00:08:11.000 And she just looked so confused and lost.

00:08:14.000 And when reporters tried to ask questions, they just pushed the reporters out of the room.

00:08:18.000 They wouldn't let them get in there and say anything.

00:08:20.000 And she just looked so confused.

00:08:23.000 And it was a little bit terrifying to think that that's who could be heading the country.

00:08:28.000 If Tim Walz pulls out a good answer pertaining to this crisis at this debate, I will be surprised.

00:08:33.000 If he pulls out a good answer pertaining to just about anything, I would be surprised.

00:08:37.000 I wouldn't underestimate him.

00:08:38.000 Yeah, that was a mistake that was made in the last debate.

00:08:41.000 Kamala got under Trump's skin.

00:08:42.000 Yep, 100%.

00:08:43.000 And she still lost.

00:08:44.000 I'm sorry, look, I know people are going to be like, how could you say that?

00:08:47.000 Everyone agrees Kamala won.

00:08:48.000 No, she never articulated a position.

00:08:50.000 So the voters were like, we get it, Trump's a hothead, but what are you going to do for us?

00:08:55.000 And then Trump didn't articulate a position either, but he's still a billionaire businessman that people think is going to be better for the economy.

00:09:01.000 Kamala needed that opportunity to go after Trump and say, here's why my economic plan is better.

00:09:06.000 And all she did was insult Trump.

00:09:09.000 Well, liberals heard it as confirmation bias.

00:09:12.000 Like, I live around a lot of liberals and they all were like, oh my God, she annihilated him.

00:09:16.000 Sure.

00:09:16.000 They're like, yeah, okay, okay.

00:09:18.000 Hold on.

00:09:18.000 When you watch interviews with Biden or Kamala, it's a disaster, right?

00:09:22.000 No one wants to watch, but they go on to the debate stage and somehow they perform.

00:09:27.000 Well, they perform when they're allowed to lie with no fact-checking, and then their fact-checkers are helping play cover.

00:09:33.000 But listen, I understand that liberals are going to say, of course Kamala won, right?

00:09:37.000 Because they always will.

00:09:38.000 But when you look at the poll of moderates and independents, even CNN, they did a flash poll and found that there was a massive shift, double-digit shift, towards Trump in terms of the economy and immigration.

00:09:49.000 And those are the two biggest issues right now in this election.

00:09:52.000 So Kamala Harris, they can trust her.

00:09:54.000 She can look nice.

00:09:55.000 I tell you this, people vote with their wallets.

00:09:57.000 Yeah, she got absolutely no post-debate bounce for all of the winning that she supposedly did.

00:10:03.000 And while it looked like a win that night, you know, she did look better, she did perform pretty well, she was calm and cool, where Trump got a little pissed off, you could say.

00:10:13.000 By the next morning, everyone was like, wait a minute, she didn't win that debate.

00:10:16.000 Well, everyone knows that she's a fairly smooth-talking politician, even if she says just gibberish, right?

00:10:22.000 I don't think she is, though, in most interviews.

00:10:24.000 She wears her suit, she wears her earrings, she stands for the photos.

00:10:26.000 Like, she can do that.

00:10:27.000 We all know that.

00:10:27.000 But her objective during that debate should have been to deliver specific information about her policies, because that's what voters kept saying over and over again in polls.

00:10:36.000 The reason we are not sure if we're going to vote for her is because we don't know what her values are.

00:10:39.000 We don't know what she's offering us.

00:10:41.000 And so, yes, maybe she got a couple of good moments where she riled Trump up.

00:10:45.000 If that's the win, then sure, she won.

00:10:47.000 But she missed the opportunity that her campaign actually needed.

00:10:50.000 And what I find fascinating about this debate is, whereas the last one sort of for a lot of people felt like it was three on one, it was the moderators and Kamala versus Trump.

00:10:58.000 Apparently, the moderators are not going to fact-check this time.

00:11:00.000 It's up to Vance and Walz to fact-check each other, which really becomes sort of this dominance race.

00:11:06.000 I mean, who can keep each other on message and hold their feet to the fire when it comes to certain questions that, you know, I think they'll avoid.

00:11:12.000 Also, who knows the most stuff?

00:11:14.000 Yeah, I think the reason for that is because actually a lot of the bad press that Kamala got was probably because so many people noticed that three-on-one.

00:11:21.000 I think people are far more likely to change their opinion based upon the corruption they're seeing than based upon like the actual words that were exchanged in a, you know, kind of debate.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, that was a big deal.

00:11:28.000 There were a lot of headlines that were like, three-on-one debate.

00:11:30.000 I think that's why this debate is different now, is because they realize how bad of a move that was.

00:11:34.000 What if the October surprise is...

00:11:38.000 Full-scale escalation to the Middle East.

00:11:40.000 I mean, we're deploying troops now.

00:11:42.000 More troops are being deployed, right?

00:11:43.000 So they sent a small contingent to evacuate U.S.

00:11:45.000 citizens.

00:11:46.000 Now you have the Tennessee National Guard.

00:11:48.000 They sent 700 out of 10,000.

00:11:51.000 So, October surprises here.

00:11:54.000 I don't know how, like, this is not going to benefit the Democrats in any kind of good way.

00:11:59.000 This is disastrous for them.

00:12:01.000 The war escalation that we're seeing.

00:12:03.000 I mean, look, Israel invading Lebanon was bad.

00:12:06.000 And we just sent another $8 billion to Ukraine the other day.

00:12:08.000 You know what I love?

00:12:10.000 Someone made a meme that's really funny.

00:12:12.000 And I saw liberals posting this too, so you know it's good.

00:12:14.000 And it was North Carolina, but it says Ukraine on it.

00:12:18.000 Then you would fund us.

00:12:19.000 It's right.

00:12:20.000 You always see these memes where it's like, we figured out a way to get the aid.

00:12:23.000 It just says Ukraine on North Carolina.

00:12:24.000 They changed their state flag to the Ukraine.

00:12:28.000 I think one of the interesting issues is that people say wartime presidents tend to keep their office.

00:12:38.000 Obviously, Biden's not going to keep his office, even if he sends his spirit animal Kamala Harris to the White House.

00:12:44.000 But I don't think escalation in the Middle East is good for Kamala Harris because she doesn't even look like she can handle an interview.

00:12:50.000 And remember when she brought her best friend Tim Walz with her, she needed extra help from the moderators during a debate?

00:12:55.000 No one wants to send her into a negotiating room amid, you know, potential nuclear war.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, I don't think anybody would want that.

00:13:03.000 But apparently she's been in there the whole time.

00:13:05.000 You had Karine Jean-Pierre from the White House today saying that Kamala Harris had been in the Situation Room or on a call to the Situation Room for every key foreign policy decision that the administration has made, which means a couple of things.

00:13:18.000 One, she's done a bad job this whole time, so why should we elect her again?

00:13:22.000 Two, her efforts to distance herself from the administration in which she serves are completely fake, just like the rest of her campaign.

00:13:30.000 Yeah, to the Israel point too, it's worth noting that people that are pro-Israel, this is a bad look for the Democrats.

00:13:36.000 And for the people that are anti-Israel, it's still a bad look for Democrats because everyone on every side knows that Trump would handle this better regardless of your stance on Israel.

00:13:45.000 Yeah, everyone hates this.

00:13:46.000 Look, there are a lot of people who hate Israel and it's crazy to me when I have these conversations You know, I was talking to a guy the other day and he said, you know, AIPAC is very powerful and they control, they have a lot of influence.

00:13:57.000 And I'm like, yes, but the only reason they do is because people in America tend to support Israel.

00:14:01.000 If you look at polls, people overwhelmingly say they support Israel.

00:14:04.000 Maybe they're not aware of the foreign policy implications or what that means, but they do.

00:14:08.000 And I'll give you an example.

00:14:09.000 There are a lot of PACs that spend a lot of money and have no Influence exerted.

00:14:13.000 AIPAC, certainly, you can criticize it, but people in this country support Israel.

00:14:18.000 And by all means, you're allowed to criticize Israel.

00:14:20.000 By all means, you don't have to support them.

00:14:21.000 I'm saying that.

00:14:22.000 I'm just saying the polls show this.

00:14:23.000 So when bombs are landing in Israel and striking Tel Aviv, you're going to start seeing moderates be like, Kamala Harris has no strength to defend our allies.

00:14:32.000 Donald Trump has to get in and get in and shut this down.

00:14:35.000 Can I clarify what you mean?

00:14:36.000 I think what you're saying there is that Israel is spending, or AIPAC rather, is spending money to elect these candidates, but they wouldn't get elected if people weren't voting for them.

00:14:43.000 And so it's like, yeah, they're spending money, but a lot of AIPACs spend money, and their success rate is not necessarily... Am I representing what you're saying there correctly?

00:14:49.000 For the most part, what I mean is, like, you know, what was it, Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman, they were ousted, and AIPAC spent tons of money to get them ousted.

00:14:57.000 But these commercials are only effective if people are going to be supporting those ideas in the first place.

00:15:03.000 Basically, I mean like...

00:15:05.000 That's true.

00:15:06.000 I think to an extent.

00:15:07.000 I mean, if you're spending $60 million to $7 million, maybe you have a huge advantage in your pocket.

00:15:12.000 I don't see the Communist Party PACs succeeding in their massive ad spends or the Nazi Party.

00:15:18.000 Do they really spend anywhere near as much as APAC?

00:15:21.000 I actually don't know.

00:15:25.000 We know of the PACs that succeed.

00:15:27.000 We don't know of the ones that don't.

00:15:28.000 And there are a lot of PACs you've never heard of that have spent a ridiculous amount of money.

00:15:31.000 Well, I mean, come on, you know, certainly APAC is an exorbitant spender and influencer.

00:15:37.000 My point is, look, criticize Israel, then look at the polls of what Americans think.

00:15:42.000 It is true, Americans tend to support Israel.

00:15:44.000 And I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying that's what American people think.

00:15:46.000 I mean, I would argue that that has a lot to do with the propaganda in America, just in terms of how we are educated about the conflict, but I don't think it really matters whether you support Israel or not in terms of what's happening right now.

00:15:56.000 I think that everyone agrees, like, I think the people that are In favor of a Palestinian state and hate Israel.

00:16:02.000 Like a lot of my ex-followers are like that.

00:16:04.000 And I think they all agree too, that they would rather see Trump dealing with this problem than Kamala.

00:16:08.000 And even if you support Israel, it doesn't mean you want Israel to go to war with Lebanon or Iran.

00:16:14.000 You might say like, we want peace, but we still support Israel, right?

00:16:17.000 My point is, when the anti-Israel protests kicked up, you started seeing a bunch of liberal billionaires—not a bunch of, but a couple of them—as well as news personalities be like, that's it, I'm voting for Trump.

00:16:27.000 Like Bill Ackman.

00:16:28.000 Bill Ackman was a great example.

00:16:30.000 But I just saw a post on X Today from some personality who said, that's it, this is the final straw, it's gotta be Trump.

00:16:37.000 And the sentiment is basically like, we do not believe that that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris administration is going to stop the conflict.

00:16:46.000 I mean, even, you know, Clint Russell made a post where he said, if J.D.

00:16:50.000 Vance could, he said he could lose this, lose the election for Trump tonight if he does not handle this well.

00:16:57.000 My attitude is he needs to blame, he needs to shift the blame to the Biden-Harris administration for their failed leadership in this region, in Europe, in Southeast Asia.

00:17:09.000 If he comes out on stage and says, it's your fault.

00:17:13.000 Well, that's not too hard to do because it is primarily their fault.

00:17:16.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:17:17.000 Send it home.

00:17:18.000 Yeah.

00:17:18.000 And I think that's pretty clear to the American people, too.

00:17:21.000 It's pretty obvious.

00:17:22.000 You know, like when Trump was in office, we had four years of peace.

00:17:27.000 There were little things here and there, but now we've got serious problems and serious threats to our own sovereignty in terms of domestic policy and threats to our sovereignty from foreign policy.

00:17:38.000 That's a disaster.

00:17:39.000 We got this story from Post Millennial.

00:17:41.000 Trump slams Biden and Kamala says, quote, we have no leadership as Iran attacks Israel.

00:17:47.000 Trump has issued a statement saying the world's on fire and spiraling out of control.

00:17:51.000 We have no leadership, no one running the country.

00:17:53.000 We have a nonexistent president in Joe Biden and a completely absent vice president, Kamala Harris, who is too busy fundraising in San Francisco, a city which she and Gavin Newscombe totally destroyed.

00:18:03.000 He says Newscombe.

00:18:04.000 He spelled it out.

00:18:05.000 And staging fake photo ops.

00:18:07.000 No one is in charge and it's not even clear who is more confused, Biden or Kamala.

00:18:11.000 Neither has any idea what is even going on.

00:18:13.000 When I was president, Iran was in total check.

00:18:15.000 They were starved for cash, fully contained, and desperate to make a deal.

00:18:19.000 Kamala flooded them with American cash and ever since they've been exporting terror all over and unraveling the Middle East.

00:18:25.000 Under President Trump, we had no war in the Middle East, no war in Europe, harmony in Asia, no inflation, no Afghanistan catastrophe.

00:18:32.000 Instead, we had peace.

00:18:34.000 Now, war or the threat of war is raging everywhere, and the two incompetents running the country are leading us to the brink of World War III.

00:18:40.000 You wouldn't trust Joe or Kamala to run a lemonade stand, let alone the free world.

00:18:44.000 He goes on to say, let me pull it up so I can get to the bottom, actually.

00:18:47.000 It's no surprise that Iran desperately wants Kamala Harris to be president, because they know as long as she is in power, they can take advantage of America.

00:18:54.000 That is why they have tried to target me.

00:18:57.000 If I was in charge, October 7th never happens.

00:18:59.000 Russia-Ukraine never happens.

00:19:00.000 Afghanistan botched withdrawal never happens.

00:19:02.000 And inflation never happens.

00:19:04.000 If I win, we will have peace in the world again.

00:19:06.000 If Kamala gets four more years, the world goes up in smoke.

00:19:10.000 I genuinely believe that if Trump was president right now, these conflicts would not be happening.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, I think that's true.

00:19:15.000 We had the Abraham Accords, which prevented a lot of conflicts from happening in the Middle East.

00:19:19.000 That was a huge deal.

00:19:20.000 We had basically a detente between Ukraine and Russia.

00:19:24.000 That was a big deal.

00:19:25.000 Nothing crazy was happening in China.

00:19:27.000 When you have Trump, and I know that I've said this before, but like, Trump is that crazy man on the corner with a knife.

00:19:33.000 You just want to cross the street and not make eye contact.

00:19:36.000 You're going to stay away from that guy.

00:19:38.000 You don't know what he's going to do.

00:19:40.000 And I love that about Trump.

00:19:41.000 I love how unpredictable he is in terms of like, he might nuke you.

00:19:46.000 There's no reason to think that he's ever bluffing when he says that stuff.

00:19:49.000 I mean, Obama was so like, you'd never believe Obama would do anything, you know, publicly anyway, anything bad to anyone for any reason.

00:19:59.000 Like, he would tell you straight out, he would go into negotiations having already capitulated half the deal, and then he has to give up more.

00:20:05.000 And Trump is like, no, no.

00:20:07.000 No, you're going to wait in Mexico, you're going to pay for the wall, like the whole thing.

00:20:11.000 And then the media is like, he's making all these crazy things and he's so egomaniac or whatever else.

00:20:15.000 But he was the most productive.

00:20:17.000 I mean, I think there is a reason people know he is a better negotiator on the world stage than Biden or Obama or potentially Kamala Harris.

00:20:27.000 Well, she's terrible.

00:20:28.000 I mean, she's had three and a half years.

00:20:29.000 She's made a whole mess.

00:20:32.000 Obama would say, here's the red line and there'd be a cross to say, here's the new red line.

00:20:36.000 You can't cross this one.

00:20:37.000 It'll be crossed.

00:20:38.000 They say, here's the new.

00:20:39.000 Just keep doing that.

00:20:40.000 How many do you get?

00:20:41.000 Yeah.

00:20:41.000 Biden and Kamala, it's more like, hey, don't do that.

00:20:44.000 You shouldn't do that.

00:20:45.000 Don't do that.

00:20:45.000 And then they would overreact and lead us into World War III, which is the big threat.

00:20:49.000 And that's what we're concerned about.

00:20:51.000 Well, and you had the thing, too, at the RNC where Kellyanne Conway came out and said, you know, a lot of people don't like Trump's personality, but you're not going to get those policies without that personality.

00:20:59.000 And I think that's 100 percent right, you know?

00:21:02.000 I think Trump is the first president that we've had that has not been controlled by, like, all the presidents in my lifetime.

00:21:08.000 That's why everyone hates him.

00:21:09.000 It's always been a uniparty where both sides have been paid by all the donor class.

00:21:12.000 And it's not actually like, for example, Trump was running against Jeb Bush.

00:21:16.000 The Republican Party didn't want Trump to win.

00:21:19.000 He took over their party.

00:21:20.000 And he's the first one that I've ever seen in my lifetime that was not already towing the party line that was designed by the donor class and all the billionaires.

00:21:27.000 He said to Jeb Bush, your brother lied to us.

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 I mean, that was straight up.

00:21:31.000 And that was the truth.

00:21:32.000 He did lie.

00:21:34.000 And he comes from that power world.

00:21:36.000 He understands it.

00:21:37.000 Nikki Haley was so close.

00:21:39.000 Nikki Haley is the Uniparty choice, and the Uniparty is also backing Kamala Harris.

00:21:43.000 Every time she says that Republicans are backing her, it's Uniparty Republicans, you know, who make you think of that old Simpsons thing.

00:21:50.000 What is it like twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom?

00:21:52.000 Kang and Kang.

00:21:53.000 That Uniparty is the war machine.

00:21:55.000 It is the CIA.

00:21:56.000 It's never a Republican that Republicans who are at all affiliated with Trump or America First Movement are like, oh man, he endorsed Kamala Harris.

00:22:04.000 I'm really rethinking my positions in life.

00:22:06.000 It's always someone from the very deep establishment, this really old guard that I think a lot of younger voters want to see gone, like younger conservatives in America.

00:22:19.000 Grassroots in general.

00:22:21.000 Are aware of this division in the party and they know who they want even if you know Trump only serves Because he can only serve four more years.

00:22:29.000 They will continue with this direction of the party There's no turning it back to the way it was if you're actually honoring what the what the populist movement wants Indeed.

00:22:40.000 I think that's it.

00:22:41.000 So we're all strong Kamala supporters.

00:22:43.000 We think she's going to do great.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, Kamala 2024, Kamala 2028.

00:22:46.000 I love her policies, whatever they are.

00:22:48.000 Does she have them on her website yet?

00:22:51.000 I don't know what they are, but they do.

00:22:52.000 They finally got them.

00:22:54.000 They're copied from the Biden administration.

00:22:56.000 She copies Trump a lot, too.

00:22:57.000 Some are copied from Trump.

00:22:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:59.000 Some are Trump policies.

00:22:59.000 Some are Trump's greatest hits.

00:23:01.000 She's a great chameleon.

00:23:01.000 Well, you take a look at what's going on with Trump's statement, basically saying, with the Iran tax in Israel, but what are we looking at?

00:23:07.000 We're looking at, as you mentioned, the hurricane.

00:23:09.000 We're looking at the dock strikes.

00:23:11.000 We're looking at the cost of food going way up.

00:23:13.000 And they just keep lying to us about everything.

00:23:16.000 The National Crime Victimization Survey came out and said that crime is way up.

00:23:19.000 Way, way, way up.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of the FBI numbers are based on self-reporting.

00:23:23.000 And police agencies aren't reporting anymore.

00:23:25.000 So then what happens is Democrats come out and they're like, crime's down.

00:23:27.000 And then we're like, okay, let's ask people.

00:23:29.000 And they're like, oh, I've been victimized like crazy.

00:23:30.000 And you're like, okay, crime's up.

00:23:31.000 No, it's not.

00:23:32.000 Or just walk into a store and look at the lotion locked up.

00:23:35.000 It's like what they're doing with the economy, right?

00:23:37.000 They're like, actually, the economy is great.

00:23:39.000 And people just think it's bad.

00:23:40.000 So what does that mean?

00:23:41.000 That was like Don Lemon down in Atlantic City, right?

00:23:45.000 And he was like, you just think it's bad, but it's not.

00:23:46.000 Yeah, like you said.

00:23:47.000 And then you had Byron Dan Donalds today on Charlemagne the God, that show.

00:23:53.000 And there was this great clip that was going around that Byron Donalds was talking about how Kamala Harris is responsible for the inflation.

00:24:00.000 And someone's like, no, she isn't.

00:24:01.000 And he's like, yes, she signed this act.

00:24:03.000 I said in committee that this act would jack up inflation.

00:24:06.000 And now it has.

00:24:07.000 How can you tell me she's not responsible for that?

00:24:09.000 She did both time tiebreaking votes on the votes at the American Rescue Act, the American Rescue Plan, and the Inflation Reduction Act, which was in late July.

00:24:19.000 Let's play the clip.

00:24:19.000 Oh, it's a great clip.

00:24:20.000 You're not really thriving right now.

00:24:22.000 This inflation, which by the way was brought to us by Kamala Harris, has really slowed down people from being able to excel.

00:24:28.000 By Kamala?

00:24:29.000 Yes.

00:24:30.000 The Vice President.

00:24:31.000 Oh, Charlamagne.

00:24:32.000 He's still the President.

00:24:33.000 Charlamagne, listen man.

00:24:34.000 When Joe Biden wanted to do his American Rescue Plan, Kamala Harris was the tie-breaking vote in the United States Senate.

00:24:41.000 She broke the tie that started this inflation that has hurt so many people in our country.

00:24:45.000 Everybody listening to your show.

00:24:47.000 It's not true?

00:24:49.000 First of all, it's true that it's a tie-breaking vote.

00:24:51.000 You sure you want to go there?

00:24:52.000 You sure you want to go there?

00:24:55.000 OK, let's go there.

00:24:56.000 You got notes?

00:24:59.000 Show the votes.

00:25:00.000 That's fine.

00:25:00.000 I have notes.

00:25:01.000 I'm going to give it to Charlamagne.

00:25:03.000 I'm going to give it to Charlamagne.

00:25:04.000 I don't even want to hold it.

00:25:05.000 I don't even want to hold it.

00:25:07.000 Angela, hold on now.

00:25:08.000 For every infrastructure project in your community, you should go out and thank Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the Congress that voted for the American Rescue Plan.

00:25:17.000 That's what should be happening.

00:25:19.000 Larry Summers wrote an op-ed back in 2021.

00:25:22.000 Larry Summers was the Treasury Secretary for Bill Clinton.

00:25:25.000 He was an economic advisor to Barack Obama.

00:25:27.000 He said that the American Rescue Plan that Joe Biden wanted, that Kamala Harris was the tiebreaker vote in the United States Senate, would create a massive inflation that we have not seen in a generation.

00:25:38.000 Well, guess what?

00:25:39.000 Larry Summers was correct.

00:25:41.000 You know who also was correct, Angela?

00:25:43.000 I was.

00:25:43.000 Because I was in the Budget Committee when they brought the bill.

00:25:46.000 And I said in that committee it's going to cause massive inflation.

00:25:49.000 That's what happened.

00:25:50.000 So the problem we have in our economy today is that prices have gone up massively, wages adjusted for inflation is down, people's pocketbooks are hurting, Yo, Byron Donalds is based.

00:26:03.000 You know his staffers were like, yes!

00:26:06.000 Love Byron Donalds.

00:26:07.000 He's got the paper, he pulls it out of his jacket, and he's like, here we go.

00:26:10.000 Here, I'm gonna give it to Charlamagne.

00:26:11.000 I don't even want to hold it.

00:26:13.000 Endorsed by Republicans for National Renewal, by the way.

00:26:15.000 Do you remember when Trump did that during the town hall?

00:26:18.000 She kept interrupting him.

00:26:18.000 She's like, okay, I'll bring up my notes for the tweets that got removed by Twitter.

00:26:21.000 It was so funny.

00:26:22.000 But I mean, it is interesting because this person is saying like, well, any infrastructure project, you have to thank this thing, which is a Democrat talking point.

00:26:30.000 But he is actually going back and saying, here is a Democrat who advised other Democrats who said this was a bad idea.

00:26:35.000 And what is the response to that?

00:26:37.000 You know, let me just say, when I see this, there's a comment right here.

00:26:41.000 It says the entire comment section on the episode is filled with black people calling out the host's dishonesty and supporting Donald's.

00:26:46.000 Guys like Byron are breaking the chokehold Democrats have had on black media.

00:26:50.000 Credit to Leonard McKelvey, Jess Moore, and Rashaun Casey for inviting different minded thinkers to their show.

00:26:55.000 I respect that too, tremendously, for bringing on Byron.

00:26:57.000 But you know what I see when I see this?

00:26:58.000 With Byron, he's a Republican.

00:27:00.000 Just this past weekend we were at the Rescue the Republic event.

00:27:03.000 I'm standing in the tent and I see some liberals come in, I see some conservatives come in, Brandon Strzok is there, and I'm like, You got liberals in here with conservatives and they're all laughing together and shaking hands?

00:27:13.000 I'm like...

00:27:14.000 There's a large portion of this country that is totally just brainwashed.

00:27:18.000 But I think with RFK Jr., with Tulsi Gabbard, with many of these moderates talking to these Democrats, there is a unity party forming.

00:27:25.000 And man, I just got to say, we went to that event where we had Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, and Russell Brand.

00:27:33.000 And I'm just in there thinking, Donald Trump's administration, surrounded by these people, that's going to be one heck of an administration.

00:27:40.000 So I feel good, man.

00:27:41.000 Absolutely.

00:27:42.000 Well, and it's people who are coming together based on shared values, not based on shared party and political affiliation.

00:27:49.000 So all of those people, what they're beholden to, what Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., and Trump What they're beholden to are the American people who value their rights above everything else, and that's what they're going to bring to the White House.

00:28:00.000 And that's I think why people would vote for them, you know?

00:28:03.000 It's worth mentioning too that when you have all those different people in those rooms, what I noticed first and foremost was that people didn't agree on everything at all, but it was fun to be around.

00:28:13.000 Because suddenly we got back to that America where people are having conversations about what they think, and it's not about, I hate you.

00:28:19.000 or it's emotional and it's like vitriolic. It was like spirited and fun and respectful and like it people got over this like divisiveness that is in the media today.

00:28:30.000 Just some of it might be that there's a shared vision for the United States.

00:28:33.000 Exactly. Look at this photo.

00:28:35.000 Yeah. Hope.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:28:37.000 That was such a great moment.

00:28:39.000 But look at this.

00:28:41.000 Trump is reaching out to RFK Jr.

00:28:42.000 Yeah, very well said.

00:28:44.000 You can see that?

00:28:45.000 RFK Jr.

00:28:46.000 is standing there, he's standing firm, and Trump is smiling and reaching out to him.

00:28:49.000 And I remember when I saw this, it's like the withered husk of, you know, lost hope in my chest started to pulse back into existence, like it had been nurtured a little bit.

00:29:00.000 Yo, and with Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.

00:29:03.000 standing with Trump, Trump brings them in.

00:29:06.000 My entire life, this has always been like, it's not possible, this could never happen, and now it's staring us in the face.

00:29:14.000 I'm feeling like Trump's gonna win.

00:29:16.000 And when you look at Kamala going down to the border, the panic, when you look at the catastrophes we're dealing with now and the sentiment people have over the war, the conflict, the economy, Byron Donald's going on Breakfast Club.

00:29:28.000 Now, I am concerned about shadow campaigns, that's what they call it, but I believe on the merits this unity party is winning.

00:29:36.000 We just have to make sure that procedurally we carry the weight as well so they don't play any funny games.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, I think if it's a fair and free election then of course they're going to win.

00:29:43.000 Absolutely.

00:29:46.000 The sentiment of, you know, the people uniting, even though they may have their differences, They work together and they kind of agree on a lot of the base issues.

00:29:54.000 It's not just a Western thing, an American thing.

00:29:57.000 I've been across in Europe, across the pond in Europe, and you have Swedes being told that the Swedish have no culture, which is insane for us to think of, but they're being told the similar things that we're being told.

00:30:09.000 Americans have no culture, just give it up, you know, accept mass migration.

00:30:14.000 And so it's kind of this whole battle of the people versus the establishment all across the world.

00:30:19.000 And people have told me in Europe, members of the European Parliament, or members of Parliament in their respective countries, saying we need Trump to win.

00:30:26.000 If he doesn't win, then we're screwed because the establishment is going to take over here.

00:30:29.000 It's the same story.

00:30:31.000 It's the same story.

00:30:31.000 You see Zelensky's face when he was standing with Trump?

00:30:35.000 His face was stone.

00:30:36.000 He looked like he's thinking, like, I am so screwed.

00:30:40.000 It's so different than when he stands up to Biden and looks like the Cheshire Cat, right?

00:30:45.000 And then he's next to Trump like, oh no.

00:30:48.000 Because you don't have anything on Trump.

00:30:50.000 Like Trump doesn't care what you have on him.

00:30:52.000 He'll be like, what?

00:30:53.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 You want to get in line and sue me like the federal government?

00:30:56.000 Like, by all means, have fun with yourself.

00:30:58.000 Speaking of people versus establishment, though, before we move off of this photo, it's important to point out that the fact that Tulsi and RFK are currently already selecting people for the Trump cabinet and all the different parts of that administration

00:31:15.000 They're not, they can't really talk about it too much and we don't have like any certain confirmation but I was specifically mingling within his campaign at that event and trying to ask and ask and ask about that because like you know politically they can't quite come out and I was like you should come out and tell us all about it because most people that are intelligent and want to support Trump look at his last presidency and say yeah but you kind of got handled bro and that's one of the biggest concerns about him and he's actively doing something really meaningful about it.

00:31:42.000 This is what I was saying to Ian when he was here and he was like, after the first debate, after THE debate with Trump and Kamala, he's like, all Trump did was yell and complain and defend himself and his ego and all Kamala did was insult him, these people are terrible.

00:31:55.000 And I just said, would you support RFK Jr.?

00:31:57.000 Ian says yes.

00:31:58.000 And I said, RFK Jr.

00:31:59.000 says if Trump wins, he wins.

00:32:01.000 And Ian was like, I know.

00:32:02.000 And then I told him, and I say this to all of you guys and everybody else, tell your friends and family, look, maybe you don't like Trump.

00:32:08.000 I respect it.

00:32:08.000 You don't gotta like the guy, but you can get Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.

00:32:12.000 in there too.

00:32:13.000 And so maybe Trump's not your person, but he's got good people by him right now.

00:32:17.000 We couldn't ask for more.

00:32:19.000 The only thing I could ask for is if Ron and Rand Paul joined his administration.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 Elon Musk.

00:32:25.000 Maybe Bobby will appoint them.

00:32:27.000 Oh yeah, Elon Musk too.

00:32:29.000 Elon Musk is coming on, but Rand Paul still hasn't endorsed.

00:32:33.000 I was talking to the Libertarian Party members when we were at their convention and I said, what would it take for you guys to say you're voting for Trump?

00:32:41.000 And they were like, If Trump makes Rand Paul his VP pick, every Libertarian votes for him.

00:32:46.000 Just the whole Libertarian party just votes for Trump at that point.

00:32:48.000 Well, that would be the highest office attained by a Libertarian, right?

00:32:50.000 For sure.

00:32:51.000 I mean, he's a Republican, but he's a Libertarian.

00:32:53.000 A lot of Trump supporters like Rand Paul.

00:32:55.000 It's not a big deal.

00:32:55.000 I know.

00:32:56.000 Yeah, we love Rand Paul.

00:32:59.000 So I think he's definitely—you could make this better, bring Rand Paul in.

00:33:03.000 Tulsi Gabbard, Rand Paul, Elon Musk, RFK Jr.

00:33:07.000 Man, talk about the Avengers of politics.

00:33:10.000 That's an administration.

00:33:11.000 It really does feel that way.

00:33:12.000 Do you think Elon Musk will actually be in the administration, though, or is he going to be like an advisor?

00:33:16.000 He's going to be dope.

00:33:18.000 I swear that Trump had said in an interview, like, Elon Musk has a lot going on.

00:33:22.000 It's hard for me to think of Elon Musk being in the administration, also running SpaceX, also like Tesla and X and all this stuff.

00:33:30.000 And also producing like four kids a year.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, I mean, on average, if not more.

00:33:34.000 As an advisor, he's one of the biggest companies in the world.

00:33:38.000 He's involved in energy, so I'm sure Trump would want his opinion when it comes to energy production.

00:33:45.000 That's why it's hard for me seeing him.

00:33:46.000 It's not like I really don't think he would be a cabinet member, but I think he and Trump obviously have a strong relationship and he will probably be involved or influential in some capacity.

00:33:55.000 Because you're involved with the grassroots movement, I wanted to ask how you felt How do debates like this impact down-ticket conversations as we get closer to the election?

00:34:05.000 I mean, I think I've talked to a lot of the local party folks.

00:34:08.000 They're not very excited for this debate.

00:34:10.000 I mean, I think it's kind of a waste of time, in a sense, in that it's really about Trump and Kamala, of course.

00:34:17.000 But obviously, after hearing the recent news with Walls having panic attacks and being nervous about this, that's kind of a red pill, I think, or a white pill.

00:34:27.000 I think that actually does excite people, and we want to see what happens with it.

00:34:30.000 I think if Walls really bombs this debate, maybe that could actually give a good boost to the American First folks.

00:34:35.000 So, in that sense, I think they're excited.

00:34:37.000 But otherwise, it wasn't really that exciting of an event.

00:34:40.000 People were saying, I don't know if I even want to watch it.

00:34:41.000 Well, let's pull up this story that's from the New York Post.

00:34:44.000 I don't know how much this news will matter after we actually watch the debate, but it's going to be fun.

00:34:47.000 Before the debate, nervous waltz.

00:34:50.000 Vance, prep for VP debate as both camps pray for one thing, don't screw it up.

00:34:54.000 But as you were just pointing out...

00:34:58.000 Tim Walz is reportedly nervous.

00:35:01.000 Democrats are getting nervous, and they're trying to lower expectations as much as they can, because this is going to be bad for Tim Walz.

00:35:08.000 He was just so, you know, he lied about his rank.

00:35:12.000 Big time.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, big time.

00:35:13.000 Over and over and over again.

00:35:15.000 When he said he carried a weapon of war in war, he goes, sometimes my grammar isn't so good.

00:35:20.000 No, that's not a grammar thing.

00:35:21.000 But now we're finding out from a report from the Free Beacon.

00:35:24.000 We got this one.

00:35:25.000 Tim Waltz said he was in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square Massacre.

00:35:28.000 He was at home in Nebraska.

00:35:29.000 He even lied about this.

00:35:31.000 Here's a photo in the newspaper from May.

00:35:33.000 Look at this.

00:35:35.000 He claimed he was in Hong Kong and they were trying to figure out where they were going to go when Tiananmen Square was going down.

00:35:39.000 He wasn't even there!

00:35:40.000 Yeah, the report said that he didn't leave until August.

00:35:43.000 But he made sure to get married.

00:35:45.000 We all read the same report.

00:35:47.000 This report was fascinating to me this morning.

00:35:49.000 One of the other reporters grabbed it.

00:35:52.000 Like, CNN acknowledged this report.

00:35:55.000 I mean, no one is really talking about it, but this is another time that they're going to say, oh, well, he sort of misspoke, he misrepresented.

00:36:02.000 No, he is lying.

00:36:03.000 He is flat out lying.

00:36:05.000 And again, going back to this fact-checking moment or rule tonight, you know, J.D.

00:36:10.000 Vance has been the attack dog here with the stolen valor stuff.

00:36:13.000 J.D.

00:36:14.000 Vance led that charge.

00:36:15.000 With a lot of this stuff, it's J.D.

00:36:17.000 Vance who is like, you must answer for the things that you have said.

00:36:20.000 And I think Americans like that.

00:36:24.000 I don't know how much of the debate needs to be spent on Tim Walz is a liar and we can prove it consistently, but it does seem like there is a reason for Walz to be nervous that J.D.

00:36:33.000 Vance does not have.

00:36:34.000 I mean a fair bit of it might be spent on asking Tim Walz about his 30 trips to China and about the incoming reports on that.

00:36:40.000 It's not 30.

00:36:41.000 He lied about that too.

00:36:42.000 Interesting.

00:36:42.000 It wasn't even 30?

00:36:43.000 They're saying now it was 15.

00:36:44.000 I think they're lying about it being 15.

00:36:44.000 Hold on.

00:36:50.000 I have no idea.

00:36:50.000 Well, so all of his lies are a line to benefit himself in his campaign.

00:36:54.000 And the scrutiny now over his connections to the Chinese Communist Party, 30 trips is suspicious.

00:36:58.000 So they're going, actually, it wasn't even 30, it was actually more like 15.

00:37:01.000 And it's like, was it really?

00:37:03.000 Or are you guys panicking?

00:37:04.000 Because we just had Hu Comer came out with this report saying they found internal documents that have communications about his connection.

00:37:11.000 So the DHS has have been communicating about his links to the CCP.

00:37:14.000 And they've subpoenaed that they want those answers.

00:37:17.000 Look, this guy's praised China over and over and over again.

00:37:19.000 Flew there, brought students there.

00:37:21.000 He got married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square.

00:37:21.000 He got married or whatever.

00:37:23.000 Which is just weird.

00:37:24.000 And he pointed that out himself.

00:37:26.000 To do that on purpose is weird.

00:37:27.000 And he honeymooned in China afterwards.

00:37:29.000 Well, 15 or 30 times.

00:37:31.000 What's the real difference?

00:37:33.000 And that was while he was in public office on a salary of his office at the time.

00:37:39.000 It's not like he's super wealthy, theoretically.

00:37:41.000 And where's that money coming from?

00:37:44.000 Who goes on vacation to China 15 times?

00:37:46.000 For personal reasons?

00:37:47.000 Right, but if you take money from the Turkish government, then you're prosecuted, as the New York mayor was.

00:37:52.000 But if you go to China 15 or 30 times, then it's all good.

00:37:54.000 You just appreciate the culture.

00:37:56.000 It's just vacation.

00:37:58.000 Even if you're in power.

00:37:59.000 It is wild.

00:38:00.000 So this guy's nervous, and I'll tell you why.

00:38:02.000 Because these stories have come out, and all J.D.

00:38:05.000 Vance has to do is go, where were you in May 1989, Governor?

00:38:10.000 And he's going to be like, well, you know, I don't know why the question matters.

00:38:13.000 Like, tell us where you were, because I got the newspapers over here.

00:38:15.000 We can, I can point it out.

00:38:16.000 Because New York Times says you were in Hong Kong, but you know, it's a local Minnesota paper.

00:38:16.000 Which one?

00:38:20.000 It's, what is it?

00:38:21.000 Minnesota Public Radio says that you were at home.

00:38:24.000 You were actually in Nebraska.

00:38:25.000 So which one's true?

00:38:26.000 Because we're trying to figure it out.

00:38:27.000 Vance is super sharp.

00:38:28.000 When he was picked, I was not stoked, honestly.

00:38:30.000 Like I didn't, I didn't, I was not very familiar with him at all when he was picked.

00:38:33.000 No one was.

00:38:34.000 Yeah, no one was stoked.

00:38:35.000 I totally disagree.

00:38:37.000 Okay, some people were stoked, but like he has shown up and he has thrown down.

00:38:41.000 Like even as an example, the way he talked about stolen valor, it's not like he's saying anything super revolutionary, but he's just the perfect guy to talk about it because he went and he served and when he talks about it, it's so articulate and so to the point.

00:38:52.000 And I think that having seen Trump and Biden sort of like Go at each other for the last, like, three years or whatever until Kamala took over.

00:39:01.000 People are ready for, like, a younger guy that's really coherent, that's really sharp and quick.

00:39:05.000 Because Trump is just a different type of rhetoric, and Vance brings this, like, very refreshing version of that Republican Party.

00:39:10.000 Well, Vance also, he's not just, like, some elitist, screw-up, or spoon-in-his-mouth.

00:39:15.000 He came up from the bottom.

00:39:16.000 Yeah, he's two years in government at this point, right?

00:39:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:18.000 And that's the thing that most Americans are familiar with.

00:39:21.000 I mean, Hillbilly LG was not only best-selling, but then it became a movie.

00:39:25.000 I mean, people know his story.

00:39:27.000 Even if not every political journalist followed his career that intensely, the likelihood that average Americans are aware of him in that capacity is higher than, you know, any other politician in America who doesn't have this benefit.

00:39:40.000 And I think that's to his credit because I think he is more representational of the frustrations that Americans have with the government right now.

00:39:48.000 Like, they feel trapped in the position they're in and they want to be able to get out of it.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, it's worth noting too that Tim Walz has also been bragging about the number of illegal aliens in his state and the way he treats the immigration policies, and that is backfiring super hard right now.

00:40:05.000 And I think that it is going to backfire even harder as this hurricane relief plays out, because all of the relief money that is supposed to be saving Americans from this hurricane is being spent on all of these illegal aliens all across the country.

00:40:19.000 Wild.

00:40:19.000 I saw a crazy thing that was talking about, um, that was talking about like, uh, backup electricity systems.

00:40:26.000 And it was saying that most of them were already sent to Ukraine and that's why we can't get them into.

00:40:30.000 And I didn't, I didn't have a chance to dig into that, but that wasn't something I saw in passing.

00:40:34.000 The FCC went after Starlink and ended up cutting a ton of their capabilities.

00:40:38.000 And now Starlink, yeah, Elon Musk is giving Starlink for free in that whole area.

00:40:38.000 So.

00:40:43.000 I think that the better attack on Tim Walz is Tampon Tim.

00:40:47.000 Even the average liberal libtard who are just like, yeah, I'm leftist, I don't like Trump, but I don't like all that gender stuff.

00:40:47.000 I disagree.

00:40:55.000 I have a family.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, but- But if you say the Tampon Tim stuff, they're gonna say- I disagree.

00:40:59.000 I don't think that's true, actually.

00:41:00.000 I completely disagree.

00:41:00.000 Yeah, I come from, like, Seattle, Washington area, and they actually, like, that kind of Democrat, they hear the Tampon Tim thing, they're like, Another ignorant Republican that doesn't understand.

00:41:09.000 It's not just that.

00:41:10.000 You've got to understand what the meme conveys, right?

00:41:14.000 So tampon Tim conveys to Republicans who know the news that he put tampons in boys' bathrooms.

00:41:19.000 To liberals, you're saying, I hate that he tried helping women.

00:41:23.000 Yeah, it conveys bigotry in a lot of ways.

00:41:25.000 The liberals don't know.

00:41:26.000 They support that.

00:41:27.000 So no, no, no, understand this.

00:41:28.000 When the story was reported widely in the corporate press, they said, Governor Tim Walz is being criticized because he was trying to provide students with feminine hygiene products.

00:41:38.000 And so the implication to liberals who don't watch the news is, young women were suffering, and Tim Walz said, we're going to make sure they get the stuff they need, and then Republicans attacked him for it.

00:41:47.000 Not that it was going in boys' rooms.

00:41:48.000 The media doesn't report that.

00:41:49.000 They report really selectively and it's impossible to understand from the Republican side because a lot of liberals, like my parents for example, they get their little slice and they actually don't educate a lot of liberals what the actual LGBT agenda is.

00:42:02.000 A lot of them have no idea what it is.

00:42:04.000 If Vance mentions that it's going into the boys' restrooms, even a lot of liberals will say, I don't agree with that.

00:42:04.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:42:11.000 They'll look into it.

00:42:12.000 But saying Tampon Tim is... No, not that alone.

00:42:16.000 I'm just saying that's the starting point, and then you explain what you mean by that.

00:42:19.000 I don't think you should say Tampon Tim.

00:42:20.000 I think the moderates are going to be like, huh?

00:42:25.000 Yeah, there's an argument to be made for letting Trump keep the rhetoric because he's already there, and letting Vance appeal to this more moderate Vance needs to say, look, there's been a lot of criticisms of, you know, when you were working in government because feminine hygiene products were being placed in the boys' bathrooms.

00:42:41.000 I don't know if that's a waste of taxpayer money or what that was about, but a lot of people were upset by it.

00:42:46.000 I'm wondering if you could answer what that was all about.

00:42:48.000 And then let him say it.

00:42:49.000 And let him say, we wanted boys to have tampons.

00:42:52.000 You know what he does?

00:42:55.000 When Tim Walz goes, look, there are transgender students and they need access to feminine hygiene products in boys' bathrooms, too, and the boys' room should have the tampons, then J.D.

00:43:03.000 Vance can go.

00:43:04.000 What?

00:43:05.000 That's it?

00:43:06.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:43:06.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 You know, what's funny is the Canadian military put tampons in men's rooms on military bases, and the tampon dispensers kept getting vandalized and ripped off the walls.

00:43:19.000 Well, that was happening in high schools.

00:43:20.000 Yeah, well, this was happening on Canadian military bases, and so the Canadian military opened up a hate crimes... Oh, Canada, come on.

00:43:31.000 It's so ludicrous that they did that.

00:43:34.000 But this is why Tim Walz is probably nervous, man.

00:43:36.000 Because J.D.

00:43:37.000 Vance has probably got, you know, a hundred different arguments and questions that Tim Walz will not be able to answer on that stage.

00:43:45.000 And I'm going to be excited for this, but Trump had some opportunities he missed.

00:43:48.000 When Trump brought up she wants transgender surgery for illegal immigrants, the response from everyone was, Trump's gone crazy.

00:43:56.000 When Trump goes, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, the general response that I see in the corporate press is, oh, Trump has gone crazy.

00:44:03.000 You need what Trump should have done.

00:44:07.000 And look, I know, I know, it's my opinion, you guys can disagree, I'm just saying what I would do if I was Trump is I'd say, look, Kamala has been a disaster for this country.

00:44:14.000 I was just reading CNN this morning, and what was it they reported that CNN's reporting, Kamala, you wanted transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants?

00:44:22.000 What was that all about?

00:44:23.000 Why did CNN report that?

00:44:24.000 Can you guys answer that for me?

00:44:26.000 Pin it away from himself a little bit.

00:44:28.000 I'm not saying this.

00:44:29.000 Why would CNN report that?

00:44:31.000 I think that another aspect of what's happening tonight is Vance actually, if he does well, he has an opportunity to recontextualize the entire first debate, especially if they do a three-on-one moderation thing again, because Vance can stand there and take that and be like, oh, remember the last debate when you did the same thing before?

00:44:47.000 And the more that Vance can kind of like recontextualize things that happened in the first debate and give you a different closure to them, I think that he actually could, this debate could almost be more important than the first debate in a lot of ways because it lasts longer if he does it right.

00:45:01.000 Let's see if J.D.

00:45:01.000 Vance can keep a cool head and get those answers out.

00:45:08.000 Trump was poked and prided by Kamala.

00:45:10.000 She pressed his buttons and she got him.

00:45:12.000 The only thing is, if her opportunity here was not to insult Trump, it was to say, here's my economic plan.

00:45:18.000 Maybe she didn't have one.

00:45:19.000 But I have to imagine the Democrats wanted Kamala to go in and actually boost her polls by appealing to people, and they genuinely thought the plan would be insult Trump, get him flustered, and he'll act a fool, and then you'll win.

00:45:30.000 And then the end of it, people just went, yeah, we know Trump, though.

00:45:33.000 He's a known quantity, and he's better on the economy.

00:45:37.000 Kamala just did nothing.

00:45:38.000 Yeah, I think that this is an interesting dynamic between the two of them because, yes, they are their own separate politicians and have their own records to account for, but ultimately, Vance and Walz are there to represent Trump and Harris, and because Harris never fully defined any goals for her Opportunity, economy, or any whatever else she was vaguely promising.

00:46:00.000 This is a good opportunity for Vance not only to push Tim Walz on stuff that he has said, but to say, like, why can't your campaign give us a specific goal?

00:46:08.000 What is the specific goal here?

00:46:10.000 What are you looking for here?

00:46:11.000 Why are you okay with this level of legal immigration?

00:46:13.000 Like, there are quantities that I don't think Tim Walz is prepared to answer because he's so used to placating progressive voters.

00:46:19.000 Let's jump to this story from the Postmillennial.

00:46:21.000 Quote, I will cripple you.

00:46:24.000 Longshoreman Union President warns America as dockworkers strike takes hold of ports nationwide.

00:46:30.000 They don't care. It's not fair.

00:46:32.000 And if we don't put our foot down now, they would like to run over us and we're not going to allow that.

00:46:37.000 That's amazing.

00:46:38.000 International Longshoreman Association President Harold Daggett said the strike his union launched on Tuesday would cripple America.

00:46:44.000 Quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means, Daggett said.

00:46:49.000 In a news scrum, Daggett said the issue for workers is protection against automation, which he says is currently not strong enough because what happens is they come in with new technology.

00:46:58.000 We just caught them in Mobile, was it Mobile?

00:47:00.000 Mobile?

00:47:01.000 Mobile, Alabama, called Autogate.

00:47:04.000 And that means the trucks are coming in and they're already checked in somewhere else and not using the checkers in the ILA to circumvent the contract.

00:47:10.000 They don't care.

00:47:11.000 They don't care.

00:47:12.000 It's not fair.

00:47:13.000 And if we don't put our foot down now, they would like to run us over.

00:47:16.000 We're not going to allow that.

00:47:17.000 Washington put so much pressure on port authorities that they will cave to union demands.

00:47:22.000 Cars won't come in.

00:47:23.000 Food won't come in.

00:47:25.000 Clothing won't come in.

00:47:26.000 You know how many people depend on our jobs?

00:47:28.000 Half the world.

00:47:29.000 And you want an October surprise.

00:47:32.000 How about them?

00:47:33.000 I mean, it's important to note that this is happening during a Democratic presidency and Democrats are supposed to be the party of the workers.

00:47:40.000 Yeah, and they're not anymore.

00:47:41.000 Biden was the first one to go stand on a picket line, right?

00:47:44.000 So he's theoretically, of all of Democrats, the most pro-union, most working man of them all.

00:47:49.000 I've read the number that this will cost America something like $4 billion a day.

00:47:54.000 I don't know if that's totally true, but it is fascinating to me because I actually think automation is One of the growing threats to American workers, I'm not trying to be a tech foe, but this is the reality, right?

00:48:05.000 There are people whose jobs will be automated away.

00:48:07.000 The other part that I know about this is that it's the East Coast longshoremen, because one of the things that they had asked was that their salaries be matched to the West Coast longshoremen.

00:48:16.000 West Coast longshoremen, I assume, are dealing with a lot of shipments from China.

00:48:20.000 Right.

00:48:21.000 I just want to say, like, I don't know anything about this Daggett guy, but after just reading that quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means.

00:48:29.000 I'm just like, based.

00:48:31.000 Don't you want to see the movie of this and he plays him?

00:48:33.000 Well, yeah.

00:48:35.000 That's the kind of thing I want to see Trump do.

00:48:36.000 You know, that's what he does.

00:48:37.000 That's what we like about him.

00:48:38.000 Yeah, the unions were historically Democrat, right, but they refused to endorse the Democrat president recently because their own members were not voting Democrat.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, the Teamsters.

00:48:49.000 Which is amazing, unprecedented.

00:48:51.000 What is their argument for how they're going to win without the Teamsters, without union workers, with an economic crisis, the docks shutting down a month out from the election, Israel being bombed, a hurricane disaster zone they were ignoring?

00:49:04.000 I do not understand.

00:49:06.000 Look, You're just missing the vibe.

00:49:08.000 That's an easy question to answer.

00:49:09.000 You're missing the vibe.

00:49:11.000 I get it.

00:49:12.000 I get it.

00:49:12.000 Kamala Harris skipped that dinner.

00:49:14.000 What was it?

00:49:14.000 The Al Smith dinner?

00:49:16.000 Yeah.

00:49:16.000 And they say in the press the last time this happened was Mondale.

00:49:20.000 The last person to do that was Mondale.

00:49:22.000 Oh, that didn't work out so great for him.

00:49:23.000 No, he won one state.

00:49:24.000 Yeah.

00:49:26.000 I'm hoping.

00:49:27.000 I don't see that happening.

00:49:28.000 I don't know how you can say we don't have an economic crisis when the pro-union president now has to deal with, what, the fourth or fifth major union strike of his presidency?

00:49:37.000 If the workers are this unhappy, clearly the economy must be even worse.

00:49:41.000 They keep saying, like the White House keeps saying about this one, that they're not going to invoke the Taft-Hartley Act to, you know, basically bust the strike.

00:49:48.000 So that means somebody is going to have to go in there and negotiate.

00:49:50.000 And every day that goes by is going to be months of recovery, you know?

00:49:54.000 I mean, it's just going to take that much longer.

00:49:56.000 And we saw what the supply chain crisis was like during COVID.

00:50:01.000 It was really bad.

00:50:01.000 There were runs on toilet paper and everything.

00:50:03.000 I mean, it was absolutely out of control.

00:50:05.000 You're saying we should stock up?

00:50:06.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:50:08.000 If the workers aren't going to vote Democrat, they have an easy answer to that.

00:50:11.000 It's called mail-in ballots.

00:50:13.000 But for sure, we called it the shadow campaign.

00:50:15.000 There's way less mail-in balloting this election than before.

00:50:18.000 TP Action is doing a great job on the Republican side.

00:50:21.000 Scott Pressler.

00:50:22.000 You know, it kind of just clicked for me, Tim, when you asked that.

00:50:25.000 I don't think actually.

00:50:26.000 I think there might be a very strong case to be made that they're actually aware that Trump is going to win, and what they're doing is they're getting World War III started, so he has to deal with that.

00:50:33.000 They just started cutting rates in the economy, so there will be a crazy crash-recession thing.

00:50:37.000 It's like that just always will follow what we're doing there in the economy.

00:50:40.000 So it looks more like what might be happening is they're setting up the worst possible administration for him to deal with, so they can run their media wheels on him again and divide the nation further and try to do a rerun of his first presidency.

00:50:52.000 And hopefully then capitalize on that division after the war is done.

00:50:56.000 I agree.

00:50:56.000 I think the escalations in the Middle East and Ukraine may be intentional because they want Trump to inherit a war that he cannot get out of.

00:51:03.000 They want Trump to inherit an economy where they can say, we warned you.

00:51:07.000 I take a look at Afghanistan and simply, it makes no sense.

00:51:12.000 There's literally no reason to abandon Bagram Air Force Base in your withdrawal.

00:51:16.000 They could have handled all their evacuations through Bagram.

00:51:19.000 Then, once they got their evacuations out, the interpreters, the U.S.

00:51:22.000 men and women could be circling around Bagram and then evacuate and leave a small amount of contingent, a small contingent in to maintain air logistics and support so the Taliban doesn't overrun everything.

00:51:32.000 Instead, they abandoned Bagram in the middle of the night without telling anybody.

00:51:36.000 Locals just started looting and raiding the Air Force Base for whatever they could.

00:51:40.000 Makes no sense.

00:51:41.000 They tried doing evacuations in this urban center.

00:51:43.000 Chaos.

00:51:44.000 A bomb goes off.

00:51:45.000 They said that there were pilots in the Afghan security forces who were landing and just abandoning their helicopters because there was no logistics, no radio support anymore.

00:51:53.000 That sounds like it was on purpose.

00:51:55.000 And I don't know if it was, but the theory that goes around online is that they wanted to punish the Trump administration and the American people for abandoning this project.

00:52:05.000 That they were going to try and make an example where they can say, see, we can't just leave because we don't want Afghanistan again.

00:52:12.000 I'm sure they'll say something very similar with Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan.

00:52:15.000 Oh no, but if we leave Ukraine, look what happened to Afghanistan.

00:52:19.000 I think it's on purpose.

00:52:20.000 Now I look at what's going on now.

00:52:22.000 And I'm wondering if it's similar where they're going to say, OK, we're going to lose this one.

00:52:26.000 Let's make sure Trump inherits a steaming pile of crap of an economy and war, and then we can blame him for it.

00:52:32.000 Go to the American people and say, see, we told you so.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, but I mean, even if they blame him for it, he's going to get it fixed up.

00:52:37.000 And then J.D.

00:52:38.000 Vance is going to be like, hey, look at me.

00:52:40.000 I'm ready for another eight years.

00:52:41.000 I think he's more ready to fix it up than they give him credit for.

00:52:44.000 Like, I think that Trump actually is well established to solve this crisis in the Middle East.

00:52:48.000 And I think he's finally got a good team around him, too.

00:52:51.000 Exactly.

00:52:51.000 Well, they did that to Trump with the China virus stuff, where he was leaving, and they're like, hey, you had a crappy economy, and now we made it great just because we have jobs coming back.

00:53:00.000 In this situation, it's like he's coming in the beginning, so he can't actually fix it.

00:53:04.000 Instead of on his way out, they make a problem.

00:53:07.000 You know, there's another key factor here that's different this time, and that's X. Last time, we had no true free speech platform in order to counter the narrative, and they had all the censorship locked down, and so that division was powerful.

00:53:22.000 And we saw it as soon as Biden took office, just the insanity of the left versus the right and the different sets of facts they're all living in.

00:53:28.000 But even today, the mainstream media is having to report on X's reporting because X is reporting the truth before anyone else can cover the stories.

00:53:35.000 And so when you have that fundamental free speech dynamic overlaying them trying to smear Trump throughout four years of him fixing all these problems that they created, that might be actually like they might be setting themselves up for a serious failure that they have not foreseen.

00:53:48.000 And, you know, with X changing like that and Elon Musk taking a stand like that, we even saw over the summer Mark Zuckerberg kind of like backing off his previous thing.

00:53:56.000 He said that he wasn't going to be giving a ton of money to any political campaign, specifically Democrats, who he gave a ton of money to last time.

00:54:03.000 He called Trump after the assassination attempt and said that he was, you know, and then in an interview said that he was badass for doing that.

00:54:09.000 He brought on a Republican, you know, fight, fight, fight.

00:54:12.000 He brought on a Republican strategist and he said that he was more libertarian than anything else.

00:54:18.000 It must be clear, Zuckerberg should still go on trial, but you're right, it is sick.

00:54:23.000 But like, to have Elon Musk stand up and take all those slings and arrows, it made it so that Zuckerberg could in the background be like, oh, hey everybody, hey, what's going on?

00:54:32.000 Or at least look at it and say, becoming libertarian is the right thing to do, people respond to that better.

00:54:37.000 I heard Zuckerberg is becoming more masculine, he's training in MMA, he's becoming one of the boys, and so now his opinion has changed.

00:54:44.000 He's a little more muscular.

00:54:46.000 Yep.

00:54:46.000 We get mocked for your surfing photo one time.

00:54:48.000 I see two things.

00:54:50.000 I genuinely think Zuckerberg saw himself in the memes where he had the weird short hair, pale, and he looked like an android.

00:54:55.000 A robot.

00:54:56.000 And he probably was embarrassed and he was like, that's what people think of me.

00:54:59.000 Nobody wants to be that guy.

00:55:00.000 So now look, he looks like a surfer dude.

00:55:02.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 Grow a little facial hair, let his hair grow out.

00:55:04.000 Much better luck.

00:55:05.000 Live in Hawaii, got a little tan.

00:55:06.000 And you start exercising, you naturally become more conservative.

00:55:09.000 There you go.

00:55:10.000 It just always happens.

00:55:11.000 Why do you think that is?

00:55:12.000 Testosterone.

00:55:12.000 Mermaid.

00:55:13.000 Testosterone.

00:55:13.000 What's that about?

00:55:14.000 Well, also it's that you start earning, like the thing about fitness that's interesting is that you cannot, like you have to earn it.

00:55:19.000 Even if you cheat with the cheats, you know, you still have to earn it.

00:55:22.000 And people, like, you don't always necessarily become full conservative, but every time someone that's never exercised or worked out or felt strong in any way, like, the Democrat Party lives on the handout mindset, right?

00:55:34.000 And the moment you start giving yourself the handouts, it's like, wait a minute.

00:55:37.000 Like, what are we doing?

00:55:39.000 It's really simple.

00:55:40.000 Meritocracy versus communism, right?

00:55:43.000 You're somebody who feels the burn every day, and you struggle, and you're trying to achieve something, and then you get there, and now you're fit, and you've got muscles, and then they say, you have privilege.

00:55:54.000 You have thin privilege.

00:55:55.000 You're getting these things because they're being gifted to you, and you're like, you don't have any idea how hard it was to, like, you guys eat donuts and Twinkies and HoHos and lay on the couch all day.

00:56:02.000 It's so easy, and I break myself every day to be the best version of myself.

00:56:07.000 That's when people are like, I should pay taxes.

00:56:12.000 I did judo off and on for nine years, and you get your ass kicked at first by even small guys, and you build your way up, and so yeah, you're like, I earned this, I belong here.

00:56:22.000 And so I encourage everyone in your audience to do some kind of martial arts, even the basic level, because you will learn what it means to earn your keep.

00:56:29.000 And this is a big component of it.

00:56:29.000 Absolutely.

00:56:31.000 Imagine doing that exercise and then having to pay the medical bills of people who won't.

00:56:36.000 Bingo.

00:56:37.000 And this is a big shift for a lot of people because, you know, I've known people who have been unhealthy and they're like, I had to turn things around.

00:56:42.000 I had to cut this out.

00:56:43.000 I started exercising.

00:56:44.000 I feel great.

00:56:45.000 And then I realized when they say universal health care, they're basically saying, I don't want to do any work.

00:56:49.000 I want your money and your labor to pay for my lifestyle.

00:56:53.000 I feel so strongly about that statement.

00:56:55.000 Yeah, I hate that.

00:56:56.000 I've not been to the doctor in 10 years.

00:56:59.000 I'd hate going to the doctor.

00:57:00.000 Knock on wood, because you just fell over right now.

00:57:04.000 Hi CIA.

00:57:05.000 Liquid death right there.

00:57:07.000 And the amount of money that is going to health care is insane.

00:57:10.000 And that is all coming from the sicknesses that are funded, that are being created by what the MAHA movement is speaking out about.

00:57:17.000 By all of these poisons in our food, like all the diabetes in our world right now.

00:57:20.000 Like it's crazy that the Trump, MAGA and MAHA movement is speaking out about that health issue that is directly what we're talking about here of like, why are we paying for all that?

00:57:30.000 Bro, I am MAHA all the way, dude.

00:57:31.000 All the way.

00:57:32.000 I have never been like MAGA makes me chuckle and I'm like, I get it.

00:57:37.000 You know, I love America, but I see MAHA and I feel that energy.

00:57:39.000 Oh, I rocked the MAHA hat.

00:57:41.000 I was on the MAHA bus.

00:57:42.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really so important.

00:57:45.000 Like, I didn't always feel that way, and I used to eat a lot more takeout and stuff, but since I started pretty much just cooking all my own food, I'm so careful about what I put in it.

00:57:53.000 Did you get chickens yet?

00:57:54.000 What?

00:57:54.000 You have chickens, right?

00:57:55.000 No, I don't have chickens.

00:57:56.000 Yeah, get them before you have to register them.

00:57:58.000 I don't have chickens.

00:57:59.000 In before the forms.

00:58:01.000 I think the health is a big concern with Americans.

00:58:03.000 There's a lot I can't do.

00:58:04.000 You can have chickens!

00:58:06.000 Where do you want me to find this extra time?

00:58:09.000 What do you mean?

00:58:10.000 You get two chickens and they walk around, they just do their own thing.

00:58:13.000 But you gotta clean up after the chickens.

00:58:15.000 No, you don't.

00:58:15.000 You gotta do stuff with chickens.

00:58:17.000 Just get a goat and it'll take care of it.

00:58:18.000 You have a kid, so he can do it.

00:58:20.000 So now I'm supposed to get a goat?

00:58:21.000 Yeah, you got a kid.

00:58:22.000 And a kid.

00:58:23.000 You meant my kid.

00:58:23.000 My kid?

00:58:28.000 All you gotta do is wake up in the morning, go pick up, you get two hens, they're friends.

00:58:31.000 Listen, I wake up in the morning, I get my kid to school, I work out, I write my newsletter, I start doing my job, and the next thing I know, I'm exhausted and it's midnight.

00:58:40.000 I figured it out.

00:58:41.000 Libby takes a carton of eggs on the way out whenever she can.

00:58:44.000 Oh, I sure do!

00:58:45.000 I take two cartons of eggs on the way out.

00:58:47.000 Do you have them here now?

00:58:49.000 Yeah, they're another house.

00:58:51.000 We have probably like three to four dozen eggs a day.

00:58:54.000 I ate two of those eggs today.

00:58:55.000 I hard boiled them.

00:58:57.000 I know.

00:58:57.000 They were good.

00:58:58.000 You know, there's another aspect to the health thing that we haven't actually touched on.

00:59:01.000 I think we forget a lot is we all just went through COVID and we got pushed all this pharma bullshit during COVID when everyone knew all along from the very start that if you're healthy, you're pretty much good.

00:59:11.000 Like you pretty much don't have to worry about it.

00:59:12.000 Look at the vitamin D argument.

00:59:14.000 Well, that's a part of being healthy, right?

00:59:16.000 Right, so when people started saying things like, hey, you should consider taking vitamins, the media went nuts.

00:59:21.000 And I had, I had a, I remember, we're a minute out, so, oh, they're here, they're getting started.

00:59:25.000 Oh, yeah, let's get into this.

00:59:26.000 Did you see outside there are Trump supporters shouting tampon Tim?

00:59:29.000 Oh, really?

00:59:30.000 Here we go.

00:59:30.000 Oh, he's there by himself.

00:59:31.000 is lectern and here we go give us your last thoughts as we watch your eyes are balanced and it's often the way i a zare there is a project in the hands of moderate and i think i performance that seems obvious but no full footballs all right looking for a viral model that's what they'll be looking for to dance looks way more relaxed yeah and he's also one making the comments that you have a good idea as well as the articles like i can't believe there's anything he wants to do the same as our uh... colleagues We got 40 seconds, but we'll get ready.

00:59:59.000 I look at this, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything like that.

01:00:01.000 I'm actually surprised.

01:00:01.000 Well, we have the vice presidential debate coming up in a moment.

01:00:06.000 It will be moderated by our own Roe O'Donnell.

01:00:08.000 We got 40 seconds, but we'll get ready.

01:00:11.000 I look at this, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything like that.

01:00:15.000 I'm actually surprised.

01:00:19.000 Donald Trump's great, but what, he's a billionaire.

01:00:22.000 He has a golden toilet.

01:00:23.000 Yeah.

01:00:24.000 Why?

01:00:24.000 He doesn't need to do this.

01:00:25.000 I mean, it's a lot of personal sacrifice to be that old and just keep working.

01:00:30.000 And you know what, man?

01:00:31.000 Like when I look at Trump, he didn't need to do this.

01:00:35.000 And I know people are going to say it's biased.

01:00:36.000 When I look at Joe Biden, they say, what about Biden?

01:00:38.000 He was old.

01:00:38.000 And I'm like, yeah, but he had like a bunch of weird stuff going on with his kid and Burisma and Ukraine.

01:00:43.000 And it was like, if Trump got elected again, Biden is in trouble.

01:00:47.000 The whole family is in trouble.

01:00:49.000 And so he had to do it, and he didn't want to.

01:00:51.000 All right, here we go.

01:00:52.000 Four seconds.

01:00:54.000 Music.

01:00:54.000 Did they not shake hands?

01:00:57.000 They did.

01:00:57.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

01:00:58.000 Just over a month to go until Election Day, the first and only meeting between the two men.

01:01:02.000 Is it weird that it's two women as the moderators?

01:01:04.000 I feel like that's weird.

01:01:07.000 I'm glad you pointed that out, Libby.

01:01:08.000 They don't look like lesbians, so that's a little different from the last debate.

01:01:12.000 The final debate of this election cycle and voting is already underway in 20 states.

01:01:17.000 CBS News polling shows this remains a race either presidential candidate could win.

01:01:21.000 That's the goal.

01:01:22.000 The CBS News vice presidential debate starts now.

01:01:26.000 Fight for every single vote and we're going to take this country back.

01:01:29.000 And we are ready to continue to build the future together.

01:01:33.000 We're going to turn this whole country red with President Donald J. Trump's leadership.

01:01:37.000 You know what's at the end of this little journey?

01:01:40.000 I want to know what facial hair fans is rocking today.

01:01:44.000 This is a CBS News special.

01:01:47.000 Live from CBS News headquarters in New York, America decides the vice presidential debate.

01:01:58.000 Good evening, I'm Nora O'Donnell and thank you for joining us for tonight's CBS News Vice Presidential Debate.

01:02:04.000 We want to welcome our viewers on CBS, on other networks here in the U.S.

01:02:08.000 and around the world.

01:02:10.000 We have a consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you, the voter.

01:02:15.000 Let's introduce the candidates.

01:02:16.000 Minnesota's Democratic Governor Tim Walz and Ohio's Republican Senator J.D.

01:02:21.000 dance tonight meeting for the first time.

01:02:26.000 I'm Margaret Brennan.

01:02:30.000 In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to.

01:02:37.000 Questions will be directed at one candidate, who will have two minutes to respond.

01:02:42.000 The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal.

01:02:45.000 Then, each candidate will get another minute to make further points, with an additional one minute each at the discretion of the moderator.

01:02:53.000 The primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules, and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact-check claims made by each other.

01:03:04.000 CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidates' microphones to maintain decorum.

01:03:09.000 We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaigns.

01:03:13.000 The stage is set.

01:03:14.000 They clarified that on purpose.

01:03:15.000 Senator, thank you for joining us.

01:03:17.000 Let's get started.

01:03:19.000 Tonight our country is facing several unfolding crises.

01:03:22.000 The Middle East is on the brink of war.

01:03:24.000 Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene.

01:03:28.000 And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.

01:03:33.000 We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.

01:03:36.000 Margaret.

01:03:37.000 Thank you, Nora.

01:03:38.000 Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S.

01:03:46.000 and Israeli defensive action.

01:03:48.000 President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S.

01:03:51.000 military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war.

01:03:59.000 Iran is weakened.

01:04:00.000 But the U.S.

01:04:01.000 still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.

01:04:10.000 It is down now to one or two weeks' time.

01:04:14.000 Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

01:04:24.000 You have two minutes.

01:04:25.000 Well, thank you.

01:04:26.000 And thank you for those joining at home tonight.

01:04:28.000 Let's keep in mind where this started.

01:04:30.000 October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.

01:04:40.000 Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.

01:04:43.000 Getting its hostages back, fundamental.

01:04:47.000 And ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

01:04:51.000 But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.

01:04:59.000 You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.

01:05:07.000 But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.

01:05:11.000 It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.

01:05:21.000 But it's not just that.

01:05:22.000 It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous.

01:05:29.000 His chief of staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met.

01:05:33.000 And both of his secretaries of defense He's at least getting rid of them now, though, at first.

01:05:39.000 said he should be nowhere near the White House.

01:05:42.000 Now the person closest to them, Donald Trump, said he's unfit for the highest office.

01:05:49.000 That was Senator Vance.

01:05:50.000 What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership.

01:05:55.000 We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together.

01:06:01.000 Understanding that our allies see Donald Trump turn towards Vladimir Putin.

01:06:09.000 Turn towards North Korea.

01:06:12.000 When we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed.

01:06:18.000 And as the Vice President said today is, we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences.

01:06:25.000 Senator Vance, the same question.

01:06:28.000 Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

01:06:34.000 You have two minutes.

01:06:35.000 So, Morgan, I want to answer the question.

01:06:36.000 First of all, thanks, Governor.

01:06:37.000 Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate.

01:06:39.000 And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.

01:06:46.000 I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.

01:06:53.000 I was raised in a working class family.

01:06:54.000 My mother required food assistance.

01:06:57.000 My grandmother required social security help to raise me and she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.

01:07:05.000 I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.

01:07:10.000 And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams.

01:07:19.000 And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.

01:07:26.000 I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again.

01:07:36.000 Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.

01:07:49.000 People were afraid of stepping out of line.

01:07:51.000 Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.

01:07:59.000 What do they use that money for?

01:08:00.000 They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.

01:08:08.000 Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.

01:08:13.000 They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

01:08:21.000 Now you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.

01:08:24.000 Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

01:08:32.000 I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.

01:08:35.000 Actually answering the question.

01:08:36.000 Thank you, Senator.

01:08:37.000 Governor Walz, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?

01:08:40.000 Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.

01:08:42.000 We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump.

01:08:47.000 Tim Walz, the ex-CIS in the coalition of Iran.

01:08:50.000 That had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.

01:08:55.000 Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.

01:08:59.000 So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.

01:09:04.000 And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.

01:09:13.000 And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S.

01:09:17.000 troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.

01:09:24.000 Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.

01:09:28.000 He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.

01:09:32.000 Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.

01:09:36.000 Both Iranian attacks were repelled.

01:09:38.000 Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris has provided.

01:09:43.000 Senator Vance, the U.S.

01:09:45.000 did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and President Trump did exit that deal.

01:09:53.000 He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S.

01:09:58.000 must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.

01:10:04.000 Did he make a mistake?

01:10:05.000 You have one minute.

01:10:06.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.

01:10:12.000 You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.

01:10:17.000 And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.

01:10:19.000 Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?

01:10:22.000 And the answer is your running mate.

01:10:23.000 Not mine.

01:10:24.000 Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.

01:10:28.000 Now, we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.

01:10:38.000 But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?

01:10:42.000 It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.

01:10:45.000 So, Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.

01:10:55.000 Donald Trump has already done it once before.

01:10:57.000 Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?

01:11:06.000 The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.

01:11:09.000 That's a great answer.

01:11:09.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to.

01:11:11.000 Margaret, thank you.

01:11:11.000 Nora?

01:11:13.000 Let's turn now to Hurricane Columbia.

01:11:15.000 The storm could become one of the deadliest on record.

01:11:18.000 More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

01:11:24.000 Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall.

01:11:33.000 Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, 7 in 10 Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S.

01:11:43.000 taking steps to try and reduce climate change.

01:11:46.000 Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?

01:11:53.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:11:54.000 Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane, because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.

01:12:00.000 I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.

01:12:10.000 And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them.

01:12:16.000 And we want as robust and aggressive as possible as we can get to save as many lives as possible.

01:12:21.000 And of course, afterwards, to help the people in those communities rebuild.

01:12:25.000 I mean, these are communities that I love.

01:12:26.000 Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.

01:12:30.000 They need their government to do their job.

01:12:32.000 And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.

01:12:39.000 Now Nora, you asked about climate change.

01:12:41.000 I think this is a very important issue.

01:12:43.000 Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.

01:12:47.000 I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.

01:12:52.000 We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.

01:12:54.000 But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions.

01:13:00.000 This idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.

01:13:04.000 Well, let's just say that's true, just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science.

01:13:08.000 Let's just say that's true.

01:13:09.000 Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?

01:13:12.000 The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.

01:13:23.000 What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?

01:13:26.000 More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world.

01:13:34.000 And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.

01:13:39.000 So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.

01:13:47.000 And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.

01:13:50.000 He's great.

01:13:51.000 Governor Walz, you have two minutes.

01:13:52.000 I'm going to rewatch this so I can learn.

01:13:53.000 We got close to an agreement because all those things are happening.

01:13:56.000 Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane.

01:14:02.000 And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors.

01:14:06.000 I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors.

01:14:09.000 We work together on these emergency management schemes.

01:14:11.000 Governors know no partisanship.

01:14:13.000 They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground.

01:14:17.000 Those happen on the front end.

01:14:19.000 The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there too, that we recover.

01:14:22.000 But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused.

01:14:26.000 Now look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen.

01:14:33.000 Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past.

01:14:35.000 Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in.

01:14:42.000 What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment.

01:14:48.000 We've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred thousand jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sits in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real.

01:15:11.000 They've seen five hundred year droughts, five hundred year floods back to back.

01:15:15.000 But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean, and I harvest wind.

01:15:22.000 We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have.

01:15:25.000 We're also producing more clean energy.

01:15:28.000 So, the solution for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real.

01:15:34.000 Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice.

01:15:39.000 You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country.

01:15:43.000 That's exactly what this administration has done.

01:15:46.000 We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.

01:15:50.000 And that's what absolutely makes sense.

01:15:52.000 And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters.

01:15:57.000 Thank you.

01:15:58.000 Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there.

01:16:00.000 The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax.

01:16:04.000 Do you agree?

01:16:05.000 Well look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.

01:16:20.000 So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.

01:16:20.000 That's right.

01:16:24.000 If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.

01:16:27.000 Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy.

01:16:33.000 I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here.

01:16:36.000 I'm talking, of course, about the Democratic leadership.

01:16:39.000 And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier.

01:16:50.000 We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.

01:16:54.000 Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components.

01:16:59.000 Go into those solar panels.

01:17:00.000 So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production.

01:17:05.000 We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years.

01:17:09.000 Natural gas, we got to invest more in it.

01:17:11.000 Kamala Harris has done the opposite.

01:17:13.000 That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate.

01:17:16.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:17:17.000 Governor, would you like to respond?

01:17:19.000 Well, look, we're producing more natural gas than we ever have.

01:17:22.000 There's no moratorium on that.

01:17:23.000 We're producing more oil.

01:17:24.000 But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks.

01:17:28.000 These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks.

01:17:30.000 These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year.

01:17:35.000 They understand that it makes sense.

01:17:37.000 Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms.

01:17:43.000 We saw it in Minnesota this summer.

01:17:45.000 And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this.

01:17:49.000 And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.

01:17:53.000 The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future.

01:17:58.000 How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?

01:18:01.000 How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?

01:18:05.000 But to call it a hoax and to take The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

01:18:13.000 and I'll let you do whatever you want.

01:18:14.000 We can be smarter about that and an all above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here.

01:18:20.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:18:22.000 The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

01:18:27.000 Margaret.

01:18:29.000 We're going to turn now to immigration.

01:18:31.000 The crisis at the US-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issues for American voters.

01:18:39.000 Senator Vance.

01:18:40.000 Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history and to use the U.S.

01:18:48.000 military to do so.

01:18:49.000 Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?

01:18:53.000 For example, would you deport parents who have entered the U.S.

01:18:57.000 illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on U.S.

01:19:02.000 soil?

01:19:03.000 You have two minutes.

01:19:04.000 So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

01:19:08.000 We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.

01:19:17.000 94 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.

01:19:26.000 That has opened the floodgates.

01:19:28.000 And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.

01:19:31.000 I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and is and has gotten clean. I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've got to stop the bleeding. You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations. And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do? So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. What do we do with them?

01:19:59.000 I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants.

01:20:03.000 About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.

01:20:08.000 I think you start with deportations on those folks.

01:20:12.000 And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers.

01:20:16.000 A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country.

01:20:21.000 And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.

01:20:26.000 And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.

01:20:29.000 Right now in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.

01:20:37.000 Some of them have been sex trafficked.

01:20:39.000 Some of them hopefully are at homes with their families.

01:20:42.000 Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.

01:20:44.000 The real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border.

01:20:51.000 And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.

01:20:57.000 Real leadership would be saying, you know what?

01:20:58.000 I screwed up.

01:20:59.000 We're going to go back to Donald Trump's border policies.

01:21:01.000 I wish that she would do that.

01:21:03.000 It would be good for all of us.

01:21:04.000 Wow!

01:21:06.000 Do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations, including that the Vice President is, quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things?

01:21:19.000 It's not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis.

01:21:24.000 And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history.

01:21:30.000 30% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do.

01:21:33.000 But let's go back to this on immigration.

01:21:34.000 Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and a border state in California.

01:21:38.000 She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.

01:21:45.000 But look, we all want to solve this.

01:21:47.000 Most of us want to solve this.

01:21:50.000 And that is the United States Congress.

01:21:52.000 That's the Border Patrol agents.

01:21:53.000 That's the Chamber of Commerce.

01:21:55.000 That's most Americans out here.

01:21:56.000 That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen.

01:22:03.000 It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford.

01:22:07.000 I know him, he's super conservative, but he's a man of principle, wants to get it done.

01:22:10.000 Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation.

01:22:13.000 The border patrol said this is what we need in here.

01:22:16.000 These are the experts.

01:22:17.000 And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said pass this thing.

01:22:20.000 Kamala Harris helped get there.

01:22:22.000 1,500 new border agents.

01:22:24.000 Detection for drugs.

01:22:25.000 He's going to slam him on this one.

01:22:26.000 DOJ money to speed up the adjudications on this.

01:22:30.000 Just what America wants.

01:22:31.000 But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no.

01:22:36.000 Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.

01:22:40.000 It gives him... What would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?

01:22:44.000 And they need to be done by the legislature.

01:22:46.000 You can't just do this through the executive branch.

01:22:49.000 So look, we have the options to do this.

01:22:51.000 Donald Trump had four years.

01:22:53.000 Four years to do this.

01:22:54.000 And he promised you, America, how easy it would be.

01:22:57.000 I'll build you a big beautiful wall.

01:22:59.000 And Mexico will pay for it.

01:23:01.000 Less than 2% of that wall got built, and Mexico didn't pay a dime.

01:23:05.000 But here we are again, nine years after he came down that escalator, dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do.

01:23:13.000 As far as a deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable.

01:23:19.000 So that's where we're at.

01:23:20.000 Pass the bill, she'll sign it.

01:23:22.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:23:24.000 Senator, the question was, will you separate parents from their children, even if their kids are U.S.

01:23:30.000 citizens?

01:23:31.000 You have one minute.

01:23:32.000 Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.

01:23:36.000 I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.

01:23:40.000 I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.

01:23:50.000 Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.

01:23:53.000 For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.

01:23:59.000 She did exactly that.

01:24:00.000 We had a record number of illegal crossings.

01:24:02.000 We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.

01:24:05.000 And now Well, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.

01:24:13.000 The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.

01:24:25.000 This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.

01:24:30.000 Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president.

01:24:35.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:24:37.000 Governor, what about our CBS News polling, which does show that a majority of Americans, more than 50%, support mass deportation?

01:24:47.000 Wow!

01:24:48.000 Let's go America!

01:24:49.000 I hope it is necessary, but the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it.

01:24:54.000 You demonize it.

01:24:55.000 And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying, I will create stories to bring attention to this.

01:25:03.000 That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield.

01:25:08.000 The Republican governor said, it's not true.

01:25:11.000 Don't do it.

01:25:12.000 There's consequences for this.

01:25:13.000 There's consequences.

01:25:14.000 We could come together.

01:25:15.000 Senator Lankford did it.

01:25:16.000 We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump make an issue.

01:25:20.000 She just said the majority want the deportations and he said you're wrong.

01:25:22.000 Demonizing.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, right, yeah.

01:25:26.000 law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school.

01:25:29.000 I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point.

01:25:38.000 And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.

01:25:46.000 Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.

01:25:51.000 The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.

01:25:59.000 So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this.

01:26:06.000 Do you disagree?

01:26:08.000 that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement. You have one minute.

01:26:16.000 Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job. I've been to the southern border more than our borders are. Kamala Harris has been. And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job. Of course, additional resources would help.

01:26:25.000 And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job.

01:26:30.000 Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.

01:26:32.000 But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.

01:26:41.000 You've got to go back through proper channels.

01:26:42.000 Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.

01:26:50.000 Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed.

01:26:56.000 You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.

01:26:58.000 You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.

01:27:06.000 The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.

01:27:14.000 It is a disgrace to them.

01:27:16.000 And I actually think, I agree with you, I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does.

01:27:21.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:27:25.000 It is law enforcement that asked for the bill.

01:27:27.000 They helped craft it.

01:27:29.000 They're the ones that supported it.

01:27:30.000 That's because they know we need to do this.

01:27:33.000 Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything.

01:27:41.000 On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable.

01:27:46.000 But it becomes a blame.

01:27:48.000 Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate.

01:27:53.000 I agree, it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done.

01:27:57.000 This bill gets it done in 90 days.

01:27:58.000 Then you start to make a difference in this, and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles.

01:28:04.000 I don't talk about my faith a lot.

01:28:06.000 But Matthew 2540 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me.

01:28:10.000 I think that's true of most Americans.

01:28:13.000 They simply want order to it.

01:28:15.000 This bill does it.

01:28:16.000 It's funded.

01:28:17.000 It's supported by the people who do it.

01:28:19.000 And it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

01:28:23.000 Thank you, Governor.

01:28:24.000 And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status.

01:28:32.000 I thought you guys weren't fact-checking.

01:28:34.000 Senator, we have so much to get to.

01:28:37.000 We're going to turn out of the economy.

01:28:40.000 Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check.

01:28:40.000 Thank you.

01:28:43.000 And since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

01:28:47.000 So there's an application called the CBP One App.

01:28:50.000 You can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

01:29:02.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.

01:29:06.000 That is the facilitation of a legal immigration.

01:29:09.000 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

01:29:13.000 We have so much to get to, Senator.

01:29:15.000 Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

01:29:18.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:29:19.000 The CBP one app has not been on the books since 1990.

01:29:23.000 That's immutable!

01:29:24.000 That's immutable!

01:29:25.000 Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

01:29:29.000 We have so much we want to get to.

01:29:31.000 Thank you for explaining the legal process.

01:29:33.000 The legal process.

01:29:34.000 Thank you, Margaret.

01:29:35.000 The economy is a top concern for voters.

01:29:38.000 Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics.

01:29:43.000 Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.

01:29:51.000 The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion.

01:29:58.000 How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit?

01:30:01.000 Governor, I'll give you two minutes.

01:30:02.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:30:03.000 And Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from.

01:30:07.000 We both grew up in that.

01:30:08.000 We understand.

01:30:09.000 So those of you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good.

01:30:13.000 It's healthy.

01:30:13.000 That's what this is supposed to happen.

01:30:15.000 You should be listening.

01:30:16.000 How's this going to impact me?

01:30:17.000 The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue.

01:30:23.000 The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.

01:30:30.000 A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.

01:30:34.000 It's foundational to where you're at.

01:30:36.000 And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that.

01:30:42.000 Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it cost $5 to make insulin.

01:30:47.000 They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.

01:30:50.000 As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota.

01:30:53.000 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4%.

01:30:57.000 It's working.

01:30:58.000 And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.

01:31:00.000 A $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third.

01:31:07.000 We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families.

01:31:09.000 And then getting businesses off the ground.

01:31:11.000 The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that to $50,000.

01:31:16.000 Now this is a philosophical difference between us.

01:31:19.000 Donald Trump made a promise, and I'll give you this, he kept it.

01:31:22.000 He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said you're rich as hell, I'm gonna give you a tax cut.

01:31:25.000 He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class.

01:31:28.000 What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

01:31:33.000 Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.

01:31:39.000 Everyone agrees, including businesses, it would be destabilizing it, it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession.

01:31:46.000 Look, this is simple for you.

01:31:48.000 Where are we going?

01:31:48.000 Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do.

01:31:51.000 We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share.

01:31:54.000 When you do that, our system works best, more people are participating in it, and folks have the things that they need.

01:32:00.000 Wrong.

01:32:01.000 Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that.

01:32:02.000 But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion.

01:32:12.000 My question is the same for you.

01:32:14.000 How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?

01:32:17.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:32:18.000 Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.

01:32:23.000 A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.

01:32:28.000 Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.

01:32:32.000 Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.

01:32:45.000 Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.

01:32:48.000 Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.

01:32:54.000 If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.

01:33:00.000 Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago.

01:33:05.000 And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.

01:33:11.000 Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record.

01:33:16.000 A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom.

01:33:22.000 Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world.

01:33:33.000 So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say, look at the record.

01:33:39.000 He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.

01:33:42.000 Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, but if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle-class and working-class Americans.

01:33:58.000 It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country.

01:34:05.000 That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.

01:34:13.000 I know a lot of you are struggling.

01:34:15.000 I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.

01:34:17.000 It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.

01:34:21.000 Governor, do you want to respond to that?

01:34:23.000 What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class?

01:34:24.000 Well, Kamala Harris' Day 1 was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy.

01:34:30.000 We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.

01:34:37.000 9 million jobs closed on that.

01:34:38.000 That was Day 1.

01:34:39.000 Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved.

01:34:42.000 Now, you made a question about experts said this.

01:34:44.000 I made a note of this.

01:34:46.000 Economists Don't know you can't be trusted.

01:34:48.000 Science can't be trusted.

01:34:50.000 National security folks can't be trusted.

01:34:53.000 Look, if you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers.

01:34:56.000 Donald Trump believes he does.

01:34:57.000 My pro tip of the day is this.

01:34:59.000 If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump.

01:35:05.000 And the same thing goes with this, and I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, and Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years, in the last year as president?

01:35:18.000 That's what's wrong with the system.

01:35:20.000 There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that.

01:35:23.000 We're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want.

01:35:28.000 Governor, you say trust the experts.

01:35:30.000 Those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.

01:35:36.000 They lied about that.

01:35:37.000 They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger.

01:35:43.000 They were wrong about that.

01:35:45.000 They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.

01:35:55.000 And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.

01:36:04.000 We're bringing American manufacturing back.

01:36:06.000 We're unleashing American energy.

01:36:07.000 We're going to make more of our own stuff.

01:36:09.000 And this isn't just an economic issue.

01:36:11.000 I mean, I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them very much, and I hope they're in bed right now.

01:36:17.000 But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us.

01:36:23.000 This has to stop and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts.

01:36:28.000 We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on.

01:36:32.000 I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump.

01:36:36.000 Let me tell you what you should say.

01:36:38.000 If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.

01:36:42.000 Look.

01:36:44.000 I'm a union guy on this.

01:36:46.000 I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that look, we produce soybeans and corn.

01:36:51.000 We need to have fair trading partners.

01:36:53.000 That's something that we believe in.

01:36:54.000 I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.

01:37:04.000 So the rhetoric is good.

01:37:05.000 Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.

01:37:09.000 I watched it happen too.

01:37:10.000 I watched it to my communities and we talked about that.

01:37:12.000 But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain.

01:37:17.000 We had right-to-work states made it more difficult.

01:37:19.000 We had companies that were willing to ship it over.

01:37:21.000 And we saw people profit.

01:37:23.000 Folks that are venture capital in some cases.

01:37:26.000 Putting money into companies that were overseas.

01:37:28.000 We're in agreement that we bring those home.

01:37:30.000 The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.

01:37:32.000 Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA.

01:37:37.000 May I respond to that?

01:37:39.000 So, so appreciate that.

01:37:39.000 Yes.

01:37:41.000 So if you notice what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.

01:37:47.000 And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as this generalization did.

01:37:53.000 So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

01:37:59.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.

01:38:04.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.

01:38:08.000 And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.

01:38:18.000 I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household.

01:38:25.000 I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.

01:38:29.000 We can do so much better.

01:38:31.000 To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again.

01:38:35.000 We just gotta get back to common sense economic principles.

01:38:37.000 I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then.

01:38:40.000 Senator, Governor, thank you, Margaret.

01:38:42.000 We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications.

01:38:50.000 The Vice President is often the last voice the President hears before making consequential decisions.

01:38:58.000 We want to ask you about your leadership qualities.

01:39:01.000 Governor Walz.

01:39:02.000 You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly... Oh no!

01:39:06.000 ...spring of 1989.

01:39:09.000 But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.

01:39:16.000 That's fantastic.

01:39:17.000 Can you explain that discrepancy?

01:39:20.000 Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.

01:39:32.000 I joined the National Guard at 17.

01:39:33.000 And then I used the GI Bill.

01:39:38.000 To become a teacher.

01:39:39.000 A young teacher.

01:39:39.000 Passion about it.

01:39:41.000 My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.

01:39:46.000 35 years ago, be able to do that.

01:39:47.000 I came back home and then started a program to take young people there.

01:39:52.000 We would take basketball teams.

01:39:54.000 He's ignoring the question.

01:39:54.000 Baseball teams.

01:39:55.000 We would take dancers.

01:39:56.000 And we would go back and forth to China.

01:39:58.000 The issue for that was, was to try and learn.

01:40:00.000 Now look, my community knows who I am.

01:40:03.000 They saw where I was at.

01:40:04.000 Exactly his answer.

01:40:05.000 Look, I will be the first to tell you that I have poured my heart into my community.

01:40:09.000 I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.

01:40:12.000 And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.

01:40:15.000 Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.

01:40:20.000 And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits.

01:40:26.000 And then the people of Minnesota We're able to elect me to governor.

01:40:30.000 So look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I get this right.

01:40:37.000 I will say more than anything, many times I will talk a lot.

01:40:41.000 I will get caught up in the rhetoric.

01:40:44.000 Being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.

01:40:49.000 I hear the critiques of this.

01:40:50.000 I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.

01:40:54.000 I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.

01:41:02.000 So this is about trying to understand the world.

01:41:05.000 It's about trying to do the best for your community.

01:41:08.000 And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.

01:41:12.000 My commitment, whether it be through which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.

01:41:21.000 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the military preference?

01:41:28.000 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

01:41:31.000 So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest, went in.

01:41:42.000 And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in government.

01:41:46.000 Wow.

01:41:48.000 Thank you, Governor.

01:41:49.000 Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office.

01:41:56.000 And you said he could be America's Hitler.

01:41:59.000 I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments.

01:42:04.000 And explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

01:42:07.000 But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.

01:42:22.000 You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.

01:42:27.000 If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?

01:42:38.000 You have two minutes.

01:42:39.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.

01:42:41.000 And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president.

01:42:43.000 But I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.

01:42:47.000 I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.

01:42:54.000 But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.

01:42:57.000 Rising wages, rising take home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.

01:43:07.000 But Margaret, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.

01:43:13.000 It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed.

01:43:13.000 It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what change.

01:43:21.000 Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020.

01:43:21.000 Now, you pointed out to messages from 2020.

01:43:23.000 Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job.

01:43:32.000 I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just a high-class debating society.

01:43:37.000 It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.

01:43:41.000 It's a forum to govern.

01:43:43.000 So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better about how they govern the country.

01:43:54.000 They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.

01:43:57.000 I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax.

01:44:05.000 Look, the one thing...

01:44:07.000 And you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.

01:44:16.000 And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record. Think about this.

01:44:26.000 If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says, you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage.

01:44:42.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:44:44.000 Thank you.

01:44:44.000 Nora?

01:44:45.000 Now to the issue of reproductive rights.

01:44:48.000 Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.

01:44:59.000 Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine.

01:45:07.000 Yes or no?

01:45:08.000 Is that what you support?

01:45:09.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:45:10.000 That's not what the bill says, but look.

01:45:12.000 This is what's on everyone's mind.

01:45:16.000 Donald Trump put this all into motion.

01:45:18.000 He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe vs. Wade.

01:45:24.000 52 years of personal autonomy.

01:45:26.000 And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.

01:45:28.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:45:30.000 Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing.

01:45:34.000 A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks.

01:45:38.000 She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.

01:45:40.000 She needs to go in.

01:45:42.000 The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor.

01:45:46.000 And that would have been an abortion.

01:45:47.000 But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy.

01:45:50.000 She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.

01:45:55.000 Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather.

01:46:03.000 Those are horrific.

01:46:04.000 Now, when got asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs don't make a right.

01:46:08.000 There is no right in this.

01:46:11.000 So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe vs. Wade.

01:46:15.000 We made sure that we put Women in charge of their healthcare.

01:46:19.000 But look, if you don't know Amanda or Hadley, you soon will.

01:46:25.000 Their Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.

01:46:29.000 It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.

01:46:38.000 For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child.

01:46:43.000 That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.

01:46:47.000 And the catch-all on this is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.

01:46:54.000 That's not how this works.

01:46:56.000 This is basic human rights.

01:46:57.000 We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world.

01:47:05.000 This is about health care.

01:47:07.000 In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason.

01:47:10.000 We trust women.

01:47:11.000 We trust doctors.

01:47:12.000 Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?

01:47:14.000 Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?

01:47:16.000 No, Nora, certainly we won't.

01:47:19.000 And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.

01:47:27.000 And, you know, I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

01:47:38.000 And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.

01:47:41.000 And I know she's watching tonight and I love you and she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship and I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us. And I

01:48:11.000 think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.

01:48:25.000 I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family.

01:48:30.000 And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options.

01:48:37.000 Now of course Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically that we have a big country and it's diverse and California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.

01:48:48.000 Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this As messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.

01:48:58.000 Let the individual states make their abortion policy.

01:49:01.000 And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.

01:49:09.000 Governor, would you like to respond?

01:49:11.000 I agree, that's a good answer.

01:49:12.000 Yeah, well, the question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.

01:49:18.000 Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states.

01:49:22.000 There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.

01:49:24.000 She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state.

01:49:27.000 Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.

01:49:34.000 Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.

01:49:38.000 The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?

01:49:50.000 There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.

01:49:57.000 That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade.

01:49:59.000 When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same.

01:50:05.000 Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.

01:50:09.000 I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.

01:50:12.000 His running mate, though, does not.

01:50:13.000 And that's the problem.

01:50:15.000 Senator, let me ask you about that.

01:50:15.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:50:17.000 He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.

01:50:20.000 In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.

01:50:26.000 In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.

01:50:36.000 My question is, why have you changed your position?

01:50:39.000 Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.

01:50:42.000 I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard.

01:50:47.000 For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level.

01:50:52.000 I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.

01:50:58.000 But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum And the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.

01:51:10.000 And I think that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.

01:51:14.000 So many young women would love to have families.

01:51:17.000 So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships.

01:51:25.000 And we have got to earn people's trust back.

01:51:27.000 And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that, and that's what real leadership is.

01:51:40.000 Governor, your response?

01:51:41.000 I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that.

01:51:44.000 No, we're not.

01:51:45.000 We're pro-women.

01:51:46.000 We're pro-freedom to make your own choice.

01:51:48.000 We know what the implications are to not be that.

01:51:52.000 Women having miscarriages.

01:51:53.000 Women not getting the care.

01:51:55.000 Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.

01:51:59.000 And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's the state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.

01:52:07.000 We understand that too.

01:52:08.000 We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.

01:52:12.000 We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children.

01:52:16.000 But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.

01:52:24.000 We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices, and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care.

01:52:41.000 I may respond to that.

01:52:41.000 Senator?

01:52:42.000 First of all, Governor, I agree with you.

01:52:43.000 Amber Thurmond should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was.

01:52:49.000 And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

01:53:10.000 That is I think whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.

01:53:15.000 And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?

01:53:23.000 Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.

01:53:28.000 We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family, but please, Yes, Governor, please respond.

01:53:38.000 Look, this is a very simple proposition.

01:53:41.000 These are women's decisions to make about their healthcare decisions, and the physicians who know best when they need to do this.

01:53:47.000 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.

01:53:51.000 What was I wrong about, Governor?

01:53:53.000 Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

01:53:54.000 That is not the way the law is written.

01:53:57.000 I've given this advice on a lot of things that getting involved getting to get that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate but the point on this is is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved I use this line on this just mind your own business on this things work best when Roe vs. Wade was in place when we do a restoration of Roe that works best that doesn't preclude us From increasing funding for children.

01:54:22.000 It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals.

01:54:27.000 They get early childhood education.

01:54:29.000 They get healthcare.

01:54:31.000 So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.

01:54:37.000 She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.

01:54:40.000 I asked a specific question, Governor.

01:54:42.000 You gave me a slogan as a response.

01:54:43.000 It's not the case.

01:54:44.000 It's not true.

01:54:45.000 That's not what the law says.

01:54:46.000 So you fact-checked it with President Trump.

01:54:50.000 Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.

01:54:51.000 We have to move on.

01:54:52.000 We're going to be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment.

01:54:57.000 Wow, you guys.

01:54:58.000 Let me, while they're going to the commercial.

01:54:59.000 Give us that fact check.

01:55:00.000 Well, so I pulled up a doc, let me get on the computer.

01:55:03.000 There was, my understanding real quick is that there was language that basically said a doctor must use all methods to save the life of a child in this circumstance.

01:55:11.000 And it was changed to basically say, well, they don't have to.

01:55:15.000 Allowing a doctor to say, right, right, right.

01:55:17.000 So, look, it's hard to search for it so specific, but I'll pull it up while you guys... Can I just tell you guys what my kid said?

01:55:22.000 Because he's watching us watch the debate.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:25.000 Hey, Charlie!

01:55:27.000 He said, uh, Vance sounds smart.

01:55:29.000 He does!

01:55:30.000 Waltz is Kamala Radio.

01:55:34.000 But Waltz always has this puppy dog face, his eyebrows are pointed up, he looks sad the whole time.

01:55:39.000 He's always in major distress.

01:55:40.000 And he's getting hostile with the moderators, are you noticing that?

01:55:44.000 He is not having a good time.

01:55:46.000 And he's scribbling the notes.

01:55:47.000 And he's super disarmed by the fact that JD Vance is like, thank you Margaret, thank you Nora, thank you Tim.

01:55:52.000 Like, JD Vance came in, he is subtly aggressive, like he's not going to be pushed around by this, but it was not this like, I'm throwing punches, slugging guy that I think Tim Walz had prepared himself for.

01:56:03.000 But I love the, I'm sure Walz would agree with me on this, and then it continues on his part.

01:56:08.000 And then Walz is like, yes, I do agree with Tim.

01:56:09.000 He's like, yeah, yeah, I do.

01:56:11.000 Because he's too agreeable.

01:56:12.000 You know, Waltz is just too, he has too much of that agreeable personality to really govern properly.

01:56:18.000 And that's why they kill babies up to nine months in Minnesota.

01:56:21.000 Plus, I can really picture Waltz going home and crying into a pillow after this debate.

01:56:25.000 And I don't want that kind of a guy governing either.

01:56:27.000 No, you do get the sense that he probably cries a lot.

01:56:31.000 He doesn't work out.

01:56:32.000 I mean, do you think he works out?

01:56:34.000 Based on your earlier comments?

01:56:35.000 I think Harris and his wife Gwen are going to yell at him after this.

01:56:40.000 What I can pull up right now real quick, well, we're going to keep the debate alive, but it's just ABC News reporting the Born Alive bill passed by the House would require care for infants born alive after failed abortion.

01:56:50.000 This is what J.D.

01:56:51.000 Vance is referring to.

01:56:52.000 The article that I was pulling up is just giving me error 503 back end.

01:56:54.000 Are you scrubbing it right now?

01:56:57.000 No, I think everyone's searching for it right now and they're hitting the websites that have brought it up.

01:57:02.000 I can try and pull up a case.

01:57:03.000 I am pretty sure that I have seen reporting on actual instances of it happening in the last, like, six months.

01:57:09.000 So just to clarify, what Vance is saying was, in the event there was a late-term abortion that fails and the baby survives, the doctors were required previously to provide life-saving care to the baby.

01:57:19.000 Under the new law, it's sort of their own discretion, it removes the requirement.

01:57:25.000 What Waltz kept saying was, that's not how the law is written.

01:57:27.000 He didn't say no, he was like, that's not what's in the law, that's not how it's written.

01:57:31.000 Not to mention that even supporting such late-term abortions is a pretty wild take in the first place.

01:57:36.000 It's pretty gross.

01:57:37.000 And also he didn't answer whether or not he believed that.

01:57:42.000 Even conservative states have exceptions, and he's bringing up these really exceptional cases saying, well, you just can't get an abortion.

01:57:48.000 If you're going to die, you can't get an abortion.

01:57:50.000 That's not really considered an abortion.

01:57:51.000 In a lot of states it's considered medical care because it's the life of the mother.

01:57:55.000 Whereas if it's just inconvenience or whatever other reason they want to have an abortion, that's not an exceptional case.

01:58:01.000 What he's bringing up is like the 1% of abortions.

01:58:04.000 He's talking about Amber Thurman, right?

01:58:06.000 Amber Thurman died during emergency surgery after taking an abortion pill.

01:58:11.000 and experiencing a rare complication.

01:58:13.000 Like, this is not her just not getting denied care and then she's doing whatever.

01:58:18.000 Like, this is an unusual circumstances where she was already choosing to undergo an abortion and died during emergency surgery.

01:58:25.000 I think this is a little bit different.

01:58:27.000 Caused by the abortion itself.

01:58:29.000 Caused by abortion pills.

01:58:31.000 Yes!

01:58:31.000 These abortion pills are actually really dangerous.

01:58:33.000 She would not have suffered from it if she had not taken the pill.

01:58:36.000 The bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken to preserve the life and health of born-alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for care, which the bill's house author Rep.

01:58:46.000 Tina Leibling, DFL Rochester, has described as mere comfort care.

01:58:50.000 Under the new language, an infant could be denied life-saving care and allowed to die.

01:58:54.000 So the argument is from Vance that, I think it's a bit more definitive, but it's basically the language was changed as such that there is a legal defense that you could allow the baby to die.

01:59:04.000 Well, Megyn Kelly just posted this that says, it was from mccl.org, January 3rd, 2023.

01:59:11.000 Today, Governor Jim Walz signed into law the Protective Reproduction Options Act to enshrine in state statute fundamental right to abortion without limits or safeguards.

01:59:20.000 And so Colorado, the same thing.

01:59:20.000 Right.

01:59:22.000 Welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate.

01:59:26.000 We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.

01:59:29.000 The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms.

01:59:35.000 Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence.

01:59:41.000 You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s.

01:59:48.000 So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

01:59:59.000 Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?

02:00:04.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:00:05.000 Yeah, well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.

02:00:11.000 I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.

02:00:15.000 And the details really matter here, of course.

02:00:16.000 For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.

02:00:24.000 But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.

02:00:31.000 And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.

02:00:38.000 And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.

02:00:43.000 And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.

02:00:47.000 And we do have to do better.

02:00:48.000 And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.

02:00:52.000 The question is just how do we actually do it?

02:00:55.000 Now, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.

02:01:00.000 The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.

02:01:08.000 And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.

02:01:18.000 So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.

02:01:24.000 But what do we do about the schools?

02:01:25.000 What do we do to protect our kids?

02:01:27.000 And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security.

02:01:37.000 But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools.

02:01:42.000 We have to make the doors lock better.

02:01:43.000 We have to make the doors stronger.

02:01:45.000 We've got to make the windows stronger.

02:01:47.000 And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea That we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys.

02:01:55.000 It just doesn't fit with recent experience.

02:01:57.000 So we've got to make our schools safer.

02:01:59.000 And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that.

02:02:03.000 Governor, you have two minutes.

02:02:04.000 Well, I thank all the parents watching tonight.

02:02:06.000 This is your biggest nightmare.

02:02:08.000 Look, I got a 17-year-old, and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.

02:02:14.000 Those things don't leave you.

02:02:16.000 As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall.

02:02:25.000 Their 7-year-old were dead.

02:02:27.000 And they were asking us to do something.

02:02:28.000 And look, I'm a hunter.

02:02:30.000 I own firearms.

02:02:31.000 The Vice President is.

02:02:32.000 We understand that the Second Amendment Is there but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in Minnesota.

02:02:39.000 We've enacted enhanced red flag laws enhanced background checks and we can start to get data.

02:02:46.000 But here's the problem if we really want to solve this we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence and this idea that we should just live with it and I and I here's what I do think that this is a good start to the conversation.

02:03:00.000 I 100% believe that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's abhorrent and it breaks your heart. I agree with that. But it's that's not far enough when we know they're things that work.

02:03:12.000 I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools. They don't have this happen even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.

02:03:21.000 There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.

02:03:25.000 It's not infringing on your Second Amendment.

02:03:28.000 And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense.

02:03:33.000 Kamala Harris, as an Attorney General, worked on this issue.

02:03:36.000 She knows that it's there.

02:03:38.000 No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?

02:03:46.000 Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills?

02:03:54.000 They're being kids.

02:03:55.000 We owe it to them to get a fix.

02:03:57.000 These aren't things that should be that difficult.

02:03:59.000 You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference.

02:04:03.000 If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.

02:04:03.000 We have to.

02:04:06.000 Senator.

02:04:07.000 Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting.

02:04:10.000 I'm sorry about that.

02:04:11.000 I appreciate you saying so.

02:04:12.000 Christ have mercy.

02:04:13.000 It is awful.

02:04:15.000 And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland.

02:04:17.000 Because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland's.

02:04:26.000 We have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse.

02:04:32.000 We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.

02:04:36.000 We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.

02:04:47.000 Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.

02:04:57.000 And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets.

02:05:04.000 I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.

02:05:10.000 Senator, thank you.

02:05:11.000 Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position.

02:05:17.000 Why?

02:05:17.000 I sat in my office with those Sandy Hook parents.

02:05:19.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

02:05:21.000 Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.

02:05:21.000 I've seen it.

02:05:24.000 What?

02:05:24.000 Friends with school shooters?

02:05:26.000 I'm sure that's a misspeak, but also what?

02:05:26.000 Oh my God!

02:05:28.000 I shot guns in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice.

02:05:30.000 That's not where we live today.

02:05:30.000 What?

02:05:32.000 And several things I want to mention on this is, talking about cities and where it's at, the number one...

02:05:39.000 Where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides.

02:05:43.000 And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves.

02:05:48.000 And so we have and we should look at all of the issues.

02:05:53.000 Making sure folks have health care and all that, but I want to be very careful.

02:05:56.000 This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent.

02:06:01.000 And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat.

02:06:05.000 Sometimes it just is the guns.

02:06:07.000 It's just the guns.

02:06:08.000 And there are things that you can do about it.

02:06:10.000 But I do think that this is, and I think this is a healthy conversation.

02:06:14.000 I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children.

02:06:20.000 That's our priority.

02:06:21.000 Gentlemen, thank you.

02:06:21.000 Everyone's tweeting it.

02:06:22.000 He literally just said he was friends with school shooters.

02:06:24.000 Let's turn now to the top contributor.

02:06:25.000 No corrections.

02:06:26.000 Inflation.

02:06:27.000 The high cost of housing and rent.

02:06:30.000 There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices.

02:06:36.000 Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit.

02:06:47.000 They also promise to build 3 million new homes.

02:06:51.000 Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher?

02:06:57.000 No, it's not handing out.

02:06:58.000 We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.

02:07:08.000 It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.

02:07:12.000 Those are not folks living in those houses.

02:07:14.000 Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.

02:07:16.000 I bought and owned one house in my life.

02:07:18.000 My mom still lives in the house where I was and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family.

02:07:26.000 We need to make it more affordable.

02:07:28.000 And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead.

02:07:38.000 We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing.

02:07:43.000 It starts to make it easier.

02:07:45.000 We cut some of the red tape.

02:07:46.000 Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes.

02:07:51.000 And then that down payment assistance.

02:07:52.000 I can tell all of you out there, one of the Certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a Veteran's Home Loan?

02:08:01.000 The big thing about a Veteran's Home Loan is you don't have to pay the down payment.

02:08:05.000 Those are things that make it better.

02:08:06.000 You earn not having to pay the down payment.

02:08:08.000 And you're going to pay your mortgage.

02:08:09.000 Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it.

02:08:15.000 And I will give Minneapolis an example.

02:08:17.000 Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.

02:08:20.000 We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in.

02:08:24.000 And we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance.

02:08:29.000 We get it back from people.

02:08:31.000 Because here's what we know.

02:08:32.000 People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.

02:08:35.000 People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.

02:08:39.000 All of those things in the long run end up saving our money.

02:08:42.000 And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in.

02:08:46.000 But we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities.

02:08:52.000 The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.

02:09:03.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:09:04.000 Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.

02:09:19.000 Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?

02:09:26.000 You have two minutes.

02:09:27.000 Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.

02:09:30.000 We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim.

02:09:41.000 Twenty five million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country.

02:09:49.000 It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership.

02:10:00.000 Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas.

02:10:03.000 Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree with.

02:10:07.000 But the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics.

02:10:12.000 She is the sitting vice president.

02:10:14.000 If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable.

02:10:30.000 Now you asked Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens if you lower energy prices?

02:10:37.000 As Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.

02:10:40.000 One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about it.

02:10:45.000 If a truck driver is paying 40 percent more for diesel than the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.

02:10:52.000 If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens.

02:10:59.000 Not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too.

02:11:03.000 Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.

02:11:06.000 Do you want to answer?

02:11:07.000 Can I have it?

02:11:09.000 We will get to you in a moment.

02:11:11.000 Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?

02:11:13.000 Can you clarify?

02:11:15.000 Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.

02:11:18.000 They're not being used for a national park.

02:11:20.000 They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.

02:11:24.000 And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.

02:11:27.000 We have a lot of land that could be used.

02:11:30.000 We have a lot of Americans that need homes.

02:11:32.000 We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here.

02:11:40.000 Senator, your time is up.

02:11:41.000 Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the Vice President is letting in migrants.

02:11:48.000 Of course that's not true.

02:11:49.000 And again, you have the facts.

02:11:50.000 I guess we agreed not to fact check.

02:11:51.000 I'll check it.

02:11:52.000 Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.

02:11:55.000 But it's again, Blaming and not trying to find a solution.

02:11:58.000 I was going to ask on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?

02:12:03.000 And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.

02:12:07.000 Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.

02:12:08.000 I know in the western part of the countries we do.

02:12:11.000 There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example.

02:12:15.000 So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks, And our federal lands.

02:12:23.000 Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.

02:12:25.000 We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water.

02:12:28.000 These lands protect.

02:12:29.000 They're there for a reason.

02:12:30.000 They belong to all of us.

02:12:31.000 But again, this is when you view housing and you view these things as commodities.

02:12:36.000 Like, there's a chance to make money here.

02:12:37.000 Let's take this federal land and let's sell it to people for that.

02:12:40.000 I think there's better ways to do this.

02:12:42.000 We've seen it in Minnesota.

02:12:43.000 We're able to refurbish some of these houses.

02:12:44.000 We're able to make some investments.

02:12:46.000 That gets people in.

02:12:47.000 And I'm still on the fact on this.

02:12:50.000 Economists.

02:12:51.000 Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists.

02:12:53.000 Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost?

02:12:56.000 Governor, Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.

02:13:02.000 There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.

02:13:06.000 What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?

02:13:11.000 Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.

02:13:14.000 We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices.

02:13:23.000 Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.

02:13:27.000 It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.

02:13:30.000 Look, we are a country of builders.

02:13:32.000 We're a country of doers.

02:13:34.000 We're a country of explorers.

02:13:35.000 But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do.

02:13:50.000 And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes.

02:13:55.000 I actually agree with Tim Walz.

02:13:57.000 We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.

02:14:09.000 What are the federal regulations?

02:14:10.000 I deal with this as a governor.

02:14:12.000 You can very quickly reply.

02:14:14.000 I'm sorry.

02:14:14.000 You're not prepared?

02:14:15.000 I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily disagree with that.

02:14:18.000 That in some cases, many of those are local, many of them are state.

02:14:21.000 I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them.

02:14:27.000 I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire.

02:14:30.000 I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things.

02:14:33.000 So which are the regulations?

02:14:34.000 Because the vice president's not responsible for those.

02:14:37.000 Congress writes those.

02:14:38.000 Governor, thank you.

02:14:39.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get through.

02:14:42.000 You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell.

02:14:45.000 Nora?

02:14:46.000 Thank you.

02:14:47.000 One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care.

02:14:51.000 Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.

02:14:58.000 In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.

02:15:02.000 Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance.

02:15:07.000 Can you explain how that would work?

02:15:10.000 And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more?

02:15:16.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:15:17.000 Well, of course.

02:15:18.000 We're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions.

02:15:20.000 In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten healthcare.

02:15:24.000 I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.

02:15:33.000 And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark Look, it's very simple common sense.

02:15:39.000 I think as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage.

02:15:45.000 It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation.

02:15:52.000 Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again, he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's leadership.

02:16:03.000 Prescription drugs are up about 7%.

02:16:04.000 Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5%.

02:16:09.000 He introduced pricing transparency.

02:16:11.000 Think about healthcare.

02:16:13.000 You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs.

02:16:17.000 That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs.

02:16:24.000 And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.

02:16:28.000 Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan.

02:16:38.000 He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.

02:16:43.000 And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.

02:16:50.000 I think this is an important point about President Trump.

02:16:52.000 Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program.

02:17:05.000 Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.

02:17:11.000 It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do.

02:17:14.000 But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies.

02:17:19.000 He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.

02:17:22.000 Governor?

02:17:23.000 All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history.

02:17:26.000 I was there at the creation of the ACA.

02:17:30.000 And the reason it was so important is I come from a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.

02:17:40.000 We understand healthcare.

02:17:41.000 It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of healthcare.

02:17:46.000 And so what I know is under Kamala Harris, More people are covered than they have before.

02:17:51.000 Those of you listening, this is critical to you.

02:17:54.000 Now, Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this.

02:17:58.000 He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.

02:18:04.000 On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.

02:18:08.000 He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost at the Supreme Court.

02:18:14.000 And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill.

02:18:21.000 Now fast forward, what that means to you is you lose your pre-existing conditions.

02:18:25.000 If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad.

02:18:27.000 If you're a woman, probably not.

02:18:29.000 Broke your foot during football?

02:18:31.000 Might kick you out.

02:18:32.000 Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.

02:18:34.000 Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.

02:18:38.000 We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there.

02:18:42.000 But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that.

02:18:52.000 But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a con.

02:18:56.000 Because what he explained is pre-Obama.

02:18:58.000 I'll make it as simple as possible, because I have done this for a long time.

02:19:02.000 What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?

02:19:07.000 So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure, because guess what happens?

02:19:12.000 You pay your premium, it's not much.

02:19:14.000 They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you.

02:19:16.000 But those of you a little older, gray, You know, got cancer?

02:19:19.000 You're going to get kicked out of it.

02:19:21.000 That's why the system didn't work.

02:19:23.000 ConvLink pairs will protect and enhance the ACA.

02:19:27.000 Governor, thank you.

02:19:27.000 Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan.

02:19:33.000 Look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions.

02:19:39.000 We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better.

02:19:45.000 Now what Governor Walz just said is actually not true.

02:19:48.000 A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is a lot of young and healthy people leaving the exchanges.

02:19:56.000 Donald Trump actually helped address that problem and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.

02:20:04.000 But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.

02:20:14.000 But in reality, Donald Trump was president.

02:20:17.000 Inflation was low, take home pay was higher, and he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.

02:20:28.000 He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.

02:20:35.000 Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration?

02:20:40.000 It's higher now that we've seen it go up.

02:20:42.000 Look, people are using it.

02:20:43.000 The system works.

02:20:44.000 And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this.

02:20:49.000 And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.

02:20:53.000 So you think the individual mandate is a good idea?

02:20:56.000 I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works.

02:21:01.000 When it doesn't, it collapses.

02:21:02.000 You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out.

02:21:06.000 Look, people know that they need to be on healthcare.

02:21:10.000 People expect it to be there.

02:21:12.000 And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then when you get sick and old, it's there for you.

02:21:26.000 Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.

02:21:29.000 Good luck buying health care once you get past 70.

02:21:32.000 So look, the ACA works.

02:21:33.000 We can continue to do better.

02:21:35.000 Kamala Harris did that.

02:21:36.000 The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first time in American history.

02:21:42.000 Thank you.

02:21:44.000 Individual mandate was brutal, I remember that.

02:21:47.000 Talk about families in America.

02:21:50.000 There is a child care crisis in this country.

02:21:54.000 And the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world Without a national paid leave program for new parents.

02:22:03.000 Governor Walz, you've said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.

02:22:11.000 How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns?

02:22:16.000 You have two minutes.

02:22:18.000 Yeah, well that's negotiable and that's what Congress worked, but here's what the deal is.

02:22:23.000 Americans sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.

02:22:26.000 Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.

02:22:30.000 Kamala Harris knows that in California.

02:22:32.000 Those companies provide paid family medical leave.

02:22:35.000 One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.

02:22:40.000 We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.

02:22:43.000 You have a child, you And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born.

02:22:48.000 This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.

02:22:51.000 What we know is that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.

02:22:58.000 So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.

02:22:59.000 We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.

02:23:02.000 That's how you become a pro-business state.

02:23:05.000 But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick.

02:23:17.000 We know what happens.

02:23:18.000 You end up staying home.

02:23:20.000 In some places, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that.

02:23:24.000 This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us.

02:23:29.000 He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest.

02:23:33.000 He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.

02:23:37.000 What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.

02:23:41.000 And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them.

02:23:47.000 As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side.

02:23:52.000 You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, Or our parents, to get paid the least amount of money.

02:24:00.000 And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business, and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that.

02:24:06.000 We were able to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this.

02:24:09.000 We were listed as the best state, we're still in crisis on this.

02:24:12.000 A federal program, a paid family medical leave, and help with this, will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.

02:24:20.000 It's sort of irrelevant.

02:24:21.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:24:22.000 Senator, do you support a national paid leave program?

02:24:25.000 And if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn?

02:24:33.000 You have two minutes.

02:24:34.000 Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats too have worked on this issue.

02:24:38.000 I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.

02:24:42.000 I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator and I'm so proud of her.

02:24:55.000 But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult.

02:25:02.000 And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.

02:25:04.000 She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company.

02:25:08.000 But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I think, makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.

02:25:16.000 A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately.

02:25:19.000 Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.

02:25:21.000 Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.

02:25:23.000 We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.

02:25:27.000 I think this is a very important substantive difference.

02:25:30.000 I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave right now, the community development block grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.

02:25:43.000 These programs only go to one kind of childcare model.

02:25:46.000 Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with childcare.

02:25:50.000 Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the way that makes the most sense.

02:25:57.000 You don't get access to any of these federal monies.

02:26:00.000 We want to make a choice on how we deliver family care and how we promote child care is unacceptable.

02:26:08.000 And, you know, of course, Sam and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks.

02:26:12.000 And one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care of their kids.

02:26:21.000 That is an incredible burden to put on American families.

02:26:24.000 We're the only country that does it.

02:26:26.000 I think we could do a heck of a lot better.

02:26:28.000 Senator, thank you.

02:26:30.000 You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family.

02:26:35.000 The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month.

02:26:43.000 So I want to get your thoughts on this.

02:26:46.000 President Trump recently said...

02:26:49.000 As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.

02:26:59.000 Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?

02:27:05.000 You have one minute.

02:27:06.000 Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.

02:27:23.000 It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.

02:27:26.000 Cut taxes for American workers and American families.

02:27:29.000 Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.

02:27:38.000 That's the heart of the economic proposal.

02:27:40.000 And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.

02:27:52.000 Excellent answer.

02:27:54.000 Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?

02:27:59.000 Well because as Tim said a lot of the child care shortages we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options and we're gonna have to unfortunately look we're gonna have to spend more money we're gonna have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.

02:28:23.000 Thank you, Senator.

02:28:24.000 Governor Walz, your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals.

02:28:28.000 Why do her eyes look red?

02:28:29.000 Do you think Congress will allow $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised?

02:28:39.000 Is that realistic?

02:28:41.000 Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you.

02:28:44.000 And this is the biggest issue.

02:28:46.000 Everybody listening tonight knows.

02:28:47.000 I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive.

02:28:50.000 And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months.

02:28:55.000 Let's be clear of where we're at on this.

02:28:57.000 It's because we got out of an imbalance on this.

02:28:59.000 We thought we were going to get by by not paying people.

02:29:01.000 I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart.

02:29:03.000 I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options.

02:29:06.000 We've done scholarship types of things.

02:29:07.000 I think we need to be open to making the case.

02:29:10.000 The issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these tariffs.

02:29:15.000 That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less.

02:29:18.000 So not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they're $4,000 in the hole.

02:29:22.000 That's Wharton School.

02:29:23.000 That's his alma mater.

02:29:24.000 And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not, when I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime.

02:29:32.000 Governor, thank you.

02:29:33.000 We need to move on.

02:29:33.000 Nora?

02:29:34.000 Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.

02:29:37.000 especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce.

02:29:42.000 Governor, thank you.

02:29:43.000 We need to move on.

02:29:44.000 Nora, let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.

02:29:51.000 After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.

02:29:59.000 Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.

02:30:09.000 Governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.

02:30:22.000 Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.

02:30:31.000 That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.

02:30:34.000 Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even if every governor certifies the results?

02:30:42.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:30:44.000 Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.

02:30:46.000 We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.

02:30:54.000 But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.

02:30:57.000 Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020.

02:31:00.000 And my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square.

02:31:07.000 And that's all I've said.

02:31:08.000 And that's all that Donald Trump has said.

02:31:10.000 Remember, he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully.

02:31:15.000 And on January the 20th, what happened?

02:31:17.000 Joe Biden became the president.

02:31:19.000 Donald Trump left the White House.

02:31:20.000 And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration.

02:31:26.000 I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country.

02:31:30.000 But unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about.

02:31:36.000 It is the threat of censorship.

02:31:38.000 It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.

02:31:43.000 It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.

02:31:47.000 And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.

02:31:55.000 I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.

02:32:02.000 Now I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr.

02:32:09.000 Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition.

02:32:13.000 Of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue. We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences. We ought to argue about them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done it.

02:32:34.000 number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Well I've enjoyed tonight's debate and I think there was a lot of commonality here and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things and I think I'm ready to go.

02:32:51.000 If we can get out of here, that'd be great.

02:32:53.000 Me too, Mayor.

02:32:54.000 There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.

02:32:59.000 Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.

02:33:06.000 He was very clear.

02:33:07.000 I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't.

02:33:10.000 A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day.

02:33:14.000 Some with the American flag.

02:33:15.000 Several later died.

02:33:16.000 And it wasn't just in there.

02:33:18.000 In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St.

02:33:22.000 Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties.

02:33:26.000 The only person there was my son and his dog who was rushed out crying by state police.

02:33:32.000 That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence.

02:33:37.000 Mike Pence made the right decision.

02:33:39.000 So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over.

02:33:43.000 I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election.

02:33:50.000 You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.

02:33:55.000 That's what was at stake here.

02:33:57.000 Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that Imprisoning your political opponents.

02:34:04.000 Already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this.

02:34:08.000 And a president's words matter.

02:34:10.000 A president's words matter.

02:34:12.000 People hear that.

02:34:13.000 So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.

02:34:35.000 And here we are four years later in the same boat.

02:34:38.000 I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.

02:34:45.000 This has got to stop.

02:34:46.000 It's tearing our country apart.

02:34:49.000 Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?

02:34:51.000 Yeah.

02:34:51.000 Well, look, Tim.

02:34:53.000 First of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.

02:35:07.000 We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election.

02:35:10.000 And of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win.

02:35:12.000 But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.

02:35:19.000 But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.

02:35:25.000 Hillary Clinton, in 2016, said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.

02:35:35.000 This has been going on for a long time.

02:35:38.000 If we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.

02:35:42.000 But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.

02:35:48.000 January 6 was not Facebook ads and I think a revisionist history on this.

02:35:53.000 Look, I don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was that happened. Donald Trump can you do it? And all of us say there's no place for this.

02:36:03.000 It has massive repercussions. This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone.

02:36:10.000 Threatening to do something?

02:36:11.000 That's not censorship.

02:36:13.000 Censorship is book banning.

02:36:14.000 We've seen that.

02:36:15.000 We've seen that brought up.

02:36:17.000 I just think for everyone tonight, and I'm going to thank Senator Vance, I think this is the conversation they want to hear.

02:36:25.000 And I think there's a lot of agreement.

02:36:27.000 This is one that we are miles apart on.

02:36:29.000 This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen.

02:36:33.000 And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say.

02:36:37.000 He is still saying he didn't lose the election.

02:36:39.000 I would just ask that.

02:36:40.000 Did he lose the 2020 election?

02:36:42.000 Tim, I'm focused on the future.

02:36:44.000 Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

02:36:51.000 That is a damning non-answer.

02:36:54.000 It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship.

02:36:56.000 Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.

02:37:00.000 We've talked about it.

02:37:01.000 I'm happy to talk about it further, but you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.

02:37:06.000 The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the first amendment.

02:37:11.000 You yourself have said there's no first right to misinformation.

02:37:15.000 Kamala Harris wants to threaten the power of the government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds.

02:37:21.000 That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.

02:37:25.000 I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.

02:37:29.000 Let's persuade one another.

02:37:30.000 Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together.

02:37:33.000 Afterwards, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

02:37:35.000 Yes, you can!

02:37:36.000 That's the test.

02:37:37.000 Fire in a crowded theater.

02:37:40.000 You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks.

02:37:45.000 Fire in a crowded theater.

02:37:47.000 You can yell!

02:37:48.000 That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American.

02:37:52.000 Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you.

02:37:56.000 I don't run Facebook.

02:37:57.000 What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused, and now again, and I'm pretty shocked by this, he lost the election.

02:38:05.000 This is not a debate.

02:38:07.000 It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world.

02:38:12.000 Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.

02:38:21.000 What I'm concerned about is, where is the firewall with Donald Trump?

02:38:25.000 Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not gonna stand to it?

02:38:36.000 That's what we're asking you, America.

02:38:38.000 Will you stand up?

02:38:39.000 Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't?

02:38:44.000 And I think Kamala Harris would agree.

02:38:46.000 She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that.

02:38:48.000 Because of course that's what we would do.

02:38:50.000 So America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's gonna honor that democracy and who's gonna honor Donald Trump.

02:38:58.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:39:00.000 Thank you gentlemen.

02:39:01.000 We will be right back with both of our candidates, the CBS News vice presidential debate.

02:39:08.000 This should be the closing statements coming up, I presume.

02:39:12.000 Friends, I will tell you this.

02:39:14.000 I strongly implore you, please don't yell fire at a crowded theater, but it in fact is legally protected speech.

02:39:19.000 Brandenburg v. Ohio 1969 overturned Schneck v. United States, and you can only restrict speech if it creates a threat of imminent lawless action.

02:39:28.000 Thus, a person in a crowded theater who yells fire isn't doing that, and that is incorrect on the part of Waltz.

02:39:36.000 The guy's clearly floundered.

02:39:40.000 I mean, look, man, I am more impressed with J.D.

02:39:42.000 Vance than I thought I would be.

02:39:45.000 I was calling him vanilla yogurt.

02:39:47.000 No, now he's fresh flan made by a abuelita right in a home-cooked kitchen.

02:39:53.000 It is masterful.

02:39:54.000 He's way better than flan, Tim.

02:39:57.000 I mean, I wouldn't turn it down.

02:40:01.000 No, that's legit.

02:40:03.000 I thought Pence was impressive when he debated Kamala, but yeah, J.D.

02:40:06.000 Vance is on another level.

02:40:08.000 You know what he did that really impressed me?

02:40:10.000 Was he made sure to catch any manipulation.

02:40:12.000 So he said something to the effect of, well, now you've got Democrats doing this thing.

02:40:16.000 And of course, I'm talking about the Democratic leadership.

02:40:19.000 That catch, and he's done it several times, was because they were going to come around and go, he accused voters of doing this thing.

02:40:25.000 They would try and manipulate what he was saying.

02:40:27.000 Masterfully done over and over again.

02:40:29.000 I am deeply impressed.

02:40:31.000 Tim Waltz!

02:40:32.000 I gotta hand it to him.

02:40:33.000 He is likable.

02:40:34.000 He is.

02:40:34.000 That's what the Twitter is saying right now.

02:40:37.000 He's a likable guy.

02:40:38.000 He's a doofy guy.

02:40:39.000 But he floundered quite a bit.

02:40:41.000 He stuttered quite a bit.

02:40:42.000 And when Vance was like, you got a tough job trying to reconcile Kamala's record here, you're a nice guy, that's it.

02:40:52.000 That pretty much hit the whack-a-mole on the head.

02:40:54.000 But what's funny is I'm sure there's a lot of American people right now who are like, I wish they were the presidential candidates.

02:40:59.000 Yes, I think there are. This gives me a little bit of like the Mitt Romney, Obama era where like they came out and one of them made a joke like, and I of course want to thank the First Lady for allowing you to be here on like your anniversary or something.

02:41:11.000 Like, sort of this weird camaraderie.

02:41:13.000 We're in—we don't agree, but we're in this unique position, whatever.

02:41:16.000 And I think there is some of that here.

02:41:19.000 Apparently, Wahl's debate prepped with Pete Buttigieg, and Davey Vance prepped with, I think, Tom Emmer.

02:41:27.000 Tom Emmer and his wife.

02:41:29.000 Oh, that's smart.

02:41:31.000 Debate prepping with your wife is smart because she knows all your buttons.

02:41:34.000 The thing that's great too is Vance hasn't gone after Waltz personally at all.

02:41:41.000 He's been a real gentleman about the whole thing and I think that that really shows a lot of class and also it makes it so that Waltz doesn't have to look like a scoundrel himself.

02:41:51.000 Waltz is able to walk out of the stage with his head held high, frankly.

02:41:54.000 When Vance was asked about 2020 and his immediate reaction was, we're focused on the future.

02:41:59.000 I'm cheering because I have been begging Trump to say this.

02:42:02.000 Like, I understand we've got to focus on the future.

02:42:05.000 Those are issues that happen, but I care about... And then he did!

02:42:08.000 And then it is the utmost skill and integrity when he says, but you asked the question, so I will answer it.

02:42:15.000 Man, how often do we talk about politicians vamping, pattering, or trying to jump the questions?

02:42:20.000 And he kept saying, I'm going to give you an answer.

02:42:21.000 Here it is.

02:42:22.000 Okay.

02:42:22.000 And now what you asked me, and then he answers it.

02:42:24.000 I respect that.

02:42:25.000 I respect that, too.

02:42:25.000 That's the kind of thing Vivek does, too.

02:42:27.000 Vivek always answers the question.

02:42:29.000 I respect that a lot.

02:42:30.000 I think it was really smart for the Trump campaign to bring Vivek on as, like, you know, a consultant and advisor, because he's had a lot of good ideas.

02:42:39.000 I mean, politicians always want to answer in their own way, answer the question that wasn't asked, put themselves out there, but then, of course, you want to come back to the question eventually, whereas Kamala never does that.

02:42:48.000 No, you're right.

02:42:49.000 Wallace never does that.

02:42:50.000 Look at the first question, would you support a preemptive strike?

02:42:52.000 And he just goes, he just, he just patters.

02:42:54.000 And then he asked JD Vance and JD Vance is like, well, the question was this.

02:42:57.000 And he goes, if Israel knows what's best for their defense and we're going to support them in the best way that makes sense.

02:43:03.000 And it's going to be Israel's decision.

02:43:04.000 I'm like, I don't know what else you say.

02:43:06.000 Like, hey, we're not Israel.

02:43:07.000 They're going to figure out what matters.

02:43:09.000 I thought that was a really great answer.

02:43:10.000 Yeah, I thought it was a really good answer.

02:43:12.000 Yeah.

02:43:12.000 Vance has had a lot of really good ones.

02:43:14.000 I really liked how he basically redefined the term gun violence in America.

02:43:18.000 I mean, I think that has been only tagged to school shootings when he is totally right.

02:43:22.000 Inner city shootings do not get the coverage they should.

02:43:25.000 I think that he did a really good job by making- We're back.

02:43:27.000 We're back.

02:43:28.000 Closing statements.

02:43:31.000 Welcome back to the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate.

02:43:34.000 It is now time for the closing statement.

02:43:36.000 Senator Vance won the virtual coin toss and elected to go last.

02:43:41.000 So, Governor Walz, you are first.

02:43:42.000 You have two minutes.

02:43:43.000 Well, thank you, Senator Vance.

02:43:45.000 Thank you to CBS News.

02:43:47.000 And most importantly, Thank you to all of you.

02:43:49.000 If you're still up and the folks who missed Dancing with the Stars, I appreciate it.

02:43:53.000 But look, the support of the democracy matters.

02:43:56.000 It matters that you're here.

02:43:57.000 And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built.

02:44:02.000 From Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift.

02:44:05.000 and a whole bunch of other people.

02:44:07.000 And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.

02:44:12.000 They believe in a positive future of this country and one where our politics can be better than it is.

02:44:18.000 And I have to tell you, that better than it is is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone.

02:44:28.000 Not just to get by, but to get ahead.

02:44:30.000 And the idea that freedom really means something.

02:44:33.000 Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.

02:44:39.000 Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is.

02:44:41.000 He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that.

02:44:45.000 His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.

02:44:49.000 And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.

02:44:52.000 Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda.

02:44:57.000 He will continue to push down that road.

02:45:00.000 Excuse me.

02:45:01.000 Kamala Harris gives us a different option.

02:45:03.000 Now I'll have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me.

02:45:10.000 He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.

02:45:13.000 A lot of America feels that way.

02:45:16.000 We don't need to be afraid.

02:45:17.000 Franklin Roosevelt was right.

02:45:19.000 All we have to fear is fear itself.

02:45:21.000 Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.

02:45:23.000 She's bringing us a politics of joy.

02:45:26.000 She's bringing real solutions for the middle class.

02:45:28.000 And she's centering you at the heart of that.

02:45:31.000 All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.

02:45:42.000 I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris.

02:45:46.000 Governor Walz, thank you.

02:45:48.000 Senator Vance, your closing statement.

02:45:49.000 I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.

02:45:56.000 One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.

02:45:58.000 And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.

02:46:08.000 And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.

02:46:20.000 That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.

02:46:23.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.

02:46:29.000 That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.

02:46:32.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.

02:46:35.000 You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.

02:46:37.000 You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl.

02:46:40.000 And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.

02:46:44.000 Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed.

02:46:55.000 She's been the vice president for three and a half years.

02:46:58.000 Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.

02:47:04.000 Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.

02:47:08.000 I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.

02:47:17.000 What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world.

02:47:25.000 But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.

02:47:31.000 They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.

02:47:38.000 We need change.

02:47:39.000 We need a new direction.

02:47:40.000 We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well.

02:47:44.000 Please vote for Donald Trump.

02:47:46.000 And whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you.

02:47:52.000 God bless you and good night.

02:47:53.000 Senator Vance, thank you.

02:47:55.000 And thank you both for participating in the only vice-presidential debate of this election.

02:48:00.000 See you later, CBS.

02:48:02.000 Look, I know a lot of people are ragging on CBS, but I actually respect them for calling out Tim Walz.

02:48:09.000 The fact check was bunk when they were like, actually, they're legal.

02:48:12.000 But then J.D.

02:48:13.000 Vance did exactly what I was saying Trump should have done, interject and step in.

02:48:18.000 And he did.

02:48:19.000 And he said, no, no, this is an app.

02:48:20.000 And he explained it.

02:48:21.000 And they cut his mic.

02:48:22.000 They cut his mic over again.

02:48:23.000 But we heard the end of that cut mic and it was brilliant.

02:48:26.000 That's right.

02:48:26.000 You agreed to no fact checking.

02:48:28.000 So now I'm going to lay into you.

02:48:30.000 And they had slipped this comment that scientists agree that the climate is getting hotter or something too.

02:48:34.000 Like he did let one slide.

02:48:36.000 He didn't come off as like this aggressive, you know, whatever.

02:48:40.000 They're all shaking hands.

02:48:41.000 There you go.

02:48:42.000 His wife looks great, look at that cranberry dress.

02:48:45.000 And I gotta be honest, like, I'm gonna say it again, Tim Walz is a likable guy.

02:48:49.000 He absolutely is.

02:48:50.000 Kamala Harris is not.

02:48:51.000 She's a cackle-y-a.

02:48:52.000 She's way more likely than, like, yeah.

02:48:53.000 And this, it warms my heart, the way they were being polite, shaking their hands.

02:49:00.000 JD Vance was an excellent choice.

02:49:04.000 I think Shapiro was still a better choice than Waltz, but I appreciate how this went down politely, and I hope for that more in the future.

02:49:11.000 But let's just say this.

02:49:11.000 Look, we watched Trump v. Biden.

02:49:14.000 Biden was so bad, he was removed.

02:49:17.000 We watched Trump and Kamala.

02:49:19.000 And I think most of us, I mean, me especially, we said Trump got flustered, Kamala attacked him emotionally.

02:49:25.000 However, Kamala also did articulate her plans.

02:49:27.000 In this one, I think it's clear and cut.

02:49:28.000 J.D.

02:49:29.000 Vance, 10 out of 10.

02:49:31.000 Tim Walz, 4 out of 10.

02:49:34.000 The people that I'm seeing on Tim Walsh's side on Twitter right now, their opinions are based on the fact that they don't understand what were lies and what were facts.

02:49:43.000 I'm not even talking about that.

02:49:45.000 I mean, we can, but I'm talking about how, in terms of debate style, J.D.

02:49:50.000 Vance clarifying who he's talking about.

02:49:52.000 On style alone.

02:49:53.000 On style, when he was asked about 2020, he said, we've got to focus on the future.

02:49:58.000 Tim Walz sidestepped too many questions.

02:50:01.000 He flubbed and flustered and stuttered a little bit.

02:50:03.000 J.D.

02:50:03.000 Vance did a couple times, but Tim Walz was doing it incessantly.

02:50:06.000 And Walz was clearly not prepared for a calm and stoic J.D.

02:50:12.000 Vance giving these responses.

02:50:14.000 I think J.D.

02:50:14.000 Vance wins this one, no question, on any reasonable measure.

02:50:18.000 Even from a purely objective perspective, I mean, Tim Walz does have a hell of a job.

02:50:22.000 Harrison, who would do a better job?

02:50:27.000 I will say one thing that J.D.

02:50:29.000 Vance has been slammed a lot by feminists and women saying like, oh, you hate women or whatever.

02:50:33.000 And he went out there and he said, my wife is an extremely powerful corporate attorney.

02:50:37.000 She's amazing at it.

02:50:39.000 And I'm and he's obviously super supportive of her and proud of her.

02:50:43.000 Yeah.

02:50:43.000 and proud of their family and obviously is a very supportive and loving husband and I thought that that was, that really came, came.

02:50:49.000 He spoke respectfully to the female moderators.

02:50:51.000 I mean, there was no point about the way that he discussed anything that seemed anti-woman to me.

02:50:56.000 I think what's interesting is that Walls did better than Harris, like even though he was flustered, he didn't do well in delivering a coherent message, but generally seemed more earnest at times than Harris ever did in any performance.

02:51:07.000 I mean, I wonder now if Walls is looking at this ticket like, I have locked myself onto someone who is going to sink my potential political career.

02:51:16.000 Yeah.

02:51:16.000 Well, we're going to start to wrap things up.

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02:53:10.000 I thought this was a fascinating debate.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 01, 2024

VP DEBATE LIVE: JD Vance Vs Tim Walz w-Mark Ivanyo & Ian Carroll | Timcast IRL

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