Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - WORLD WAR 3 HAS BEGUN | Timcast IRL

00:02:48.000 Yesterday it was reported that the U.S. fired on the engine room of an Iranian flagged vessel that tried to run the U.S. blockade into the Strait of Hormuz.

00:02:57.000 It is now being reported the U.S. believes this was a Chinese laden vessel carrying dual use materials, meaning the reason this Iranian vessel tried to run the blockade is that it was providing supplies to Iran, which could be used for war.

00:03:13.000 Meanwhile, European intelligence is reporting that Russia may be supplying drones to Iran For their war effort.

00:03:20.000 And in the wildest of stories, which many people are saying is pure nuts, still a video is going viral of a guy claiming.

00:03:32.000 Donald Trump tried to activate the nuclear codes, but was stopped. 0.51

00:03:36.000 Now, I think that one's a little nuts, probably coming from some anti Trump wacko, but it's been going viral on X.

00:03:43.000 So, you know, I'll mention it, but still put a, yeah, probably not.

00:03:47.000 Well, the question now is whether or not all of the conflicts that are happening around the world add up to a World War III.

00:03:54.000 And surprise, surprise, Russia's foreign minister once again is saying we are already in World War III.

00:03:58.000 Pundits across the board are saying it is now with Russia and China supplying weapons and intelligence to Iran.

00:04:04.000 To continue to disrupt U.S. efforts in the Strait, they are suggesting with 20 plus nations now involved in this war, it is World War III.

00:04:14.000 Of course, all right, we'll tone it down a bit.

00:04:17.000 We don't really know for sure, and we won't until sometime.

00:04:19.000 In fact, according to some historical academic reports, we didn't call it World War II formerly in the United States until after the war was already over.

00:04:28.000 And the question about whether or not World War II was a world war was happening before it even began and well into the war was going on.

00:04:35.000 This could all die down.

00:04:37.000 To be honest, considering now that we're over a month in and Trump has whipped back and forth as to whether or not we're actually going to have peace talks, we're going to stop this conflict, or it's going to escalate, it's hard to see how this slows down, especially with the latest reporting that an Iranian vehicle was potentially carrying weapons from China or dual use items.

00:04:56.000 Let's be careful here, meaning it could be used for war and tried to run a U.S. blockade.

00:05:00.000 There is a video of the U.S., they're instructing.

00:05:06.000 With a threat of death, a vessel to turn back.

00:05:10.000 And these videos tracking these transponders in the straight are nuts with all the ships turning around.

00:05:14.000 Wait till you see this video.

00:05:15.000 It's absolutely crazy.

00:05:16.000 We're going to talk about this.

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00:07:19.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Justin Martin.

00:07:22.000 Hey, Tim, thanks for having me.

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00:07:30.000 Indeed.

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00:08:26.000 All right, we're going to get to the news.

00:08:27.000 We got Fox News, China linked route exposed after U.S. seizes Iran bound ship with suspected dual use cargo.

00:08:36.000 China's foreign ministry warned the Strait of Hormuz situation remains sensitive and complex.

00:08:40.000 Well, first, we've got this from NPR.

00:08:42.000 Yesterday, U.S. seizes Iranian cargo ship in Strait of Hormuz.

00:08:46.000 They say the U.S. Navy gave them fair warning to stop.

00:08:49.000 The Iranian crew refused to listen. 0.99

00:08:51.000 So our Navy ship stopped them right in their tracks by blowing a hole in their engine room.

00:08:57.000 Trump said U.S. Marines have custody of the vessel.

00:08:59.000 And that it is under U.S. Treasury sanctions because of the prior history of illegal activity.

00:09:04.000 U.S. CENTCOM said in a statement that the Iranian ship refused to comply with U.S. warnings over the course of six hours before the U.S. fired on the ship and boarded it.

00:09:12.000 American forces acted in a deliberate, professional, and proportional manner to ensure compliance.

00:09:17.000 The latest update from Fox News the vessel Tuska remains in U.S. custody as American forces continue inspecting what maritime security sources told Reuters is likely dual use cargo following a voyage from Asia.

00:09:31.000 Shipping data shows the Tosca made multiple recent stops in Shuhai, a major port in southern China, before transiting through Southeast Asia and heading towards Iran.

00:09:41.000 Part of a pathway, analysts say, has helped Iran sustain trade flows despite U.S. pressure.

00:09:46.000 The seizure comes as part of a broader U.S. effort to enforce a naval blockade on Iran, aimed at pressuring Tehran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global shipping lane.

00:09:56.000 The ship had docked in Port Klang, Malaysia, on April 12th, and was en route to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas when it was intercepted.

00:10:03.000 The Tusco was seized in the Gulf of Oman, just outside of the Strait of Hormuz, as it was approaching Iranian waters.

00:10:09.000 It tried to run the blockade, which seems like a particularly foolish thing to do, which would seem to indicate there was something aboard that ship that they really perhaps needed in Iran, said Ray Powell, director of Sea Light, a maritime transparency initiative, told Fox News Digital.

00:10:23.000 Powell said the vessel's route through Malaysia is notable, describing waters near the Singapore Strait as infamous for ship to ship transfers due to relatively weak enforcement, a tactic that can make cargo movements harder to trace.

00:10:36.000 He added that the ship stops in China, raised questions about the origin of its cargo, though what was on board remains unknown.

00:10:43.000 Let me show you this right here.

00:10:44.000 I want to show you this viral clip.

00:10:47.000 Mario Nafa reported the U.S. Navy boarded a seized Iranian flagged vessel in the Arabian Sea yesterday.

00:10:52.000 The Tosca tried to run the blockade.

00:10:54.000 Check this out.

00:10:55.000 Let's see if we can get the audio running first. 0.89

00:10:58.000 And military blockade here we go. 0.99

00:11:20.000 We will compel compliance with force.

00:11:24.000 Look at that big old gun he's got pointed at him.

00:11:26.000 It's getting wild.

00:11:27.000 So we've got multiple reports now.

00:11:29.000 We've got Potentially a ship trying to run the U.S. blockade with Chinese bound dual use cargo, as well as reports European intelligence believes that Russia is supplying drones to Iran.

00:11:41.000 Not only that, with the shooting down of the F 15E, many were concerned that I believe the F 15 is a stealth fighter, meaning Iran should not have had the capabilities to track it, but somehow did.

00:11:53.000 And these people suspect Russia has been providing the technology to detect U.S. airships.

00:12:00.000 This is expanding beyond. 0.72

00:12:02.000 Just Iran, and it's now pulling in other world powers. 0.52

00:12:05.000 Not to mention, it already involves around 20 or so countries. 0.58

00:12:09.000 So, I don't know when everyone will just agree it's World War III, perhaps when China makes a direct statement.

00:12:16.000 But I will add this World War II was a series of global conflicts, not one single declaration.

00:12:23.000 When we look back in hindsight, historians say it began when the Nazis invaded Poland, they say 1939.

00:12:31.000 But at the time, the media had already claimed World War III was going on.

00:12:35.000 Some said it still hadn't begun.

00:12:37.000 And several years later, people started to say the phrase more colloquially.

00:12:40.000 And it wasn't until the war was over that the U.S. formally called it World War II.

00:12:44.000 So perhaps we won't know.

00:12:45.000 We will just watch it happen.

00:12:46.000 And then after all is said and done, people might be like, yeah, I think that was World War III.

00:12:51.000 During Vietnam, the Soviets were funding the North Vietnamese.

00:12:54.000 So we could be looking at another situation like that that stayed limited.

00:12:57.000 Of course, we pulled out of Vietnam.

00:12:59.000 I don't know if we're going to pull out of the Iranian Strait.

00:13:02.000 Yeah.

00:13:03.000 But just to kind of reinforce what you were saying, Tim, during World War II, the Japanese invaded Vietnam.

00:13:08.000 Manchuria in 31. 0.97

00:13:09.000 So that was already aggro. 1.00

00:13:11.000 The Italians had already gone into Africa. 1.00

00:13:13.000 Exactly. 0.98

00:13:14.000 North Africa was already. 0.74

00:13:15.000 Only when Hitler invaded Poland did France and England declare war on Germany. 0.60

00:13:20.000 And that's when, now colloquially, we refer to it as it beginning.

00:13:24.000 Now consider this.

00:13:25.000 You are right about Vietnam and limited warfare.

00:13:27.000 During the Cold War, we had many proxy wars.

00:13:30.000 Some might argue this is just another proxy war, except for the fact that China's been cut off from 40 to 50% of its energy input.

00:13:37.000 They could only last so long.

00:13:39.000 Now, the interesting thing is.

00:13:40.000 They keep trying to maintain this narrative that Trump wants the straight open.

00:13:44.000 I don't think so.

00:13:46.000 It seems like Trump is intentionally keeping it closed.

00:13:49.000 I mean, they're blockading ships.

00:13:51.000 So, it does not seem like Trump is trying to keep it open.

00:13:53.000 I don't, I don't, it's again, fog of war.

00:13:56.000 I will say one very important thing there has never been a war in which the public has known what was going on.

00:14:03.000 Even in World War II, you might get some reports later on, but a lot of it's propaganda.

00:14:08.000 So, maybe a month after a battle, the news circulates, I'll go, by the way, this is what we think happened.

00:14:14.000 And then after the fact, even now, people still question certain things that happened in World War II.

00:14:19.000 And I'm not talking about the Holocaust, obviously, as people question them.

00:14:22.000 You know, how many people died in this battle or that?

00:14:25.000 Here's the official reporting.

00:14:26.000 Here's what we think we know.

00:14:27.000 Right now, I think you would be insane to believe that Donald Trump is going to come out and say, here's exactly what's going on in the Middle East.

00:14:32.000 Here's our plans.

00:14:33.000 Here's what we're going to do.

00:14:34.000 No, he's going to come out.

00:14:35.000 It's going to be confusing.

00:14:36.000 It's going to be intentionally confusing because loose lips sink ships.

00:14:39.000 And if Trump came out and said, here's our exact plan and what we want to do, you'd never get it done.

00:14:44.000 I mean, yeah, there's kind of some bizarre things happening right now.

00:14:46.000 I mean, we saw this morning on Maria Bartoma's show where she was saying Trump had called her.

00:14:52.000 Yesterday, and said, Hey, tomorrow, as in today, there would be a deal signed in Pakistan between the Iranians and the US.

00:14:59.000 That was what he said.

00:14:59.000 That's what she said.

00:15:00.000 That he said, it's a lot of here's he said, she said, kind of tough.

00:15:03.000 And so now you look at what happened in Pakistan today.

00:15:05.000 Well, the Iranians didn't show up, and they had signaled through their state agency or state media earlier today that they weren't even going to show up.

00:15:13.000 So there's kind of a bit of a diplomatic mess right now.

00:15:16.000 So that's why Trump, I think, he's looking at again, keeping the straight clothes as economic leverage because obviously, like the military operation as far as toppling the Iranian regime. hasn't manifested.

00:15:25.000 We haven't even really moderated the regime.

00:15:27.000 I mean, if anything, all the people that got replaced after we would kill their leader, they would just get replaced by someone with the exact same ideology. 0.88

00:15:32.000 So it doesn't really make Iran a preferable. 0.86

00:15:35.000 They're not more, you know, they're not more tenable to negotiate with as it stands. 0.94

00:15:40.000 To Tim's point, though, like in regards to sort of the inklings of world war here, I mean, yeah, I mean, everyone points to Poland, but yeah, you look at World War II, I mean, the Marco Polo Bridge incident could really be cited as the beginning of the war.

00:15:50.000 That's when the Japanese and the Chinese actually started exchanging fire.

00:15:55.000 You're kind of looking at this, and maybe some people will go back. 0.57

00:15:57.000 And if this truly keeps kicking off, because we're seeing right now a power block stitched together the Chinese, the Russians, and the Iranians. 0.74

00:16:03.000 And you could look back at, I don't know, maybe the withdrawal from Afghanistan is when the war started, or perhaps when obviously Russia moved into Ukraine, maybe that's when the war started.

00:16:11.000 But what is obvious right now is that three man coalition, I guess the fourth would be North Korea, if you want to include them, that doesn't seem to be unraveling anytime soon.

00:16:20.000 And if anything, this Iran operation has stitched China and Russia closer together, which I don't really think was the intention necessarily, but that's just been the result.

00:16:27.000 I mean, this story says right here the Chinese are sending dual use cargo to the Iranians.

00:16:32.000 Well, where has China been sending dual use cargo?

00:16:35.000 Russia.

00:16:36.000 They've been sending it for years.

00:16:37.000 I mean, they've been supplying the Russians with this dual use cargo.

00:16:39.000 I mean, stuff they'll do is they'll call it cooling fans.

00:16:42.000 You know, we're sending cooling fans to Russia.

00:16:44.000 What's the big deal?

00:16:45.000 Well, it's actually drone engines.

00:16:46.000 That's the most common source of like dual use cargo.

00:16:49.000 And they'll typically dock it in like Malaysia or the Philippines.

00:16:52.000 And what you do is you, almost like a movie, you respray the side of the cargo and it says from Malaysia now.

00:16:56.000 And so it really no one suspects anything.

00:16:59.000 It's just Malaysian cooling fans.

00:17:01.000 What's the big deal? 0.96

00:17:01.000 Yeah, they're trying to play video games. 0.96

00:17:03.000 Next thing you know, they stitch together some drones.

00:17:05.000 They want to mine Bitcoin, you know?

00:17:06.000 All electric motors.

00:17:07.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:10.000 But yeah, we definitely seem to be having the inklings of two global blocks kind of having a standoff.

00:17:14.000 Now, I guess the question is how tight can America keep the coalition together?

00:17:21.000 Well, it looks like what we're doing is we're using economic persuasion.

00:17:24.000 We're seeing in East Asia. 0.89

00:17:25.000 Now, all these East Asian countries have gotten plugged right into our energy supply. 0.98

00:17:29.000 Because again, they can't depend on the Gulf states for energy anymore.

00:17:32.000 This is why I'm saying Trump's motive is shutting down the straight.

00:17:37.000 Of course, he's going to say something totally different because he doesn't want anyone to know.

00:17:41.000 Like the US government, not just Trump, they're not going to come out and be like, here's our war plans.

00:17:45.000 But you take a look at what's going on.

00:17:46.000 This is a great point.

00:17:47.000 He is now, whether accidentally or otherwise, forcing the world to buy oil from the U.S., which for the first time since World War II is about to become a net oil exporter.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 China's in serious trouble.

00:17:59.000 The U.S. is shooting straight up.

00:18:01.000 Now, it's going to mean everything gets more expensive for everybody, but it also means it's going to get a whole lot worse for everybody outside of the United States.

00:18:08.000 The problem, though, is that right now China is actually getting energy on sale.

00:18:12.000 They're getting energy on sale from Russia because, again, Russia is still sanctioned quite extensively by the West.

00:18:18.000 They don't have as many options to export energy.

00:18:20.000 So, even though now energy is in high demand right now in the global market, especially oil, China is able to source it at a discount from Russia.

00:18:27.000 That's the problem.

00:18:28.000 Now, an additional problem for China is that they would source a lot of their LNG from Qatar.

00:18:32.000 Well, Qatar is not exporting any LNG anymore.

00:18:34.000 What's the second biggest buyer in the region?

00:18:36.000 The Australians.

00:18:37.000 So, now Australia kind of gets introduced into this global kind of reshuffling of the chairs because what's Australia going to do with their LNG?

00:18:45.000 Are they going to sell it to the Chinese or is there any other buyers on the market that are going to gobble a lot of it up?

00:18:50.000 It looks like Taiwan, 50% of Taiwan's energy grid is built off of LNG.

00:18:54.000 So now Taiwan is buying Australian LNG en masse.

00:18:58.000 So it's really dramatic what we're seeing.

00:19:00.000 We've seen an entire rewiring of the entire global energy trade literally within two weeks.

00:19:06.000 And the only winners have been America, Russia, and Australia.

00:19:10.000 Everyone else is getting hammered.

00:19:11.000 I mean, Australia, what are they winning?

00:19:13.000 On LNG.

00:19:15.000 Ah, right.

00:19:16.000 A lot of LNG.

00:19:17.000 Well, it's converting a lot of economies too because the reliance on crude is now sending them spiraling.

00:19:23.000 Where's Greta Thunberg to praise Trump for forcing these countries to start thinking about fusion and wind?

00:19:28.000 Like, if you look at what the Japanese and South Korean press has been saying, they're thinking five, six, seven years ahead. 0.94

00:19:28.000 It is true. 0.94

00:19:33.000 They're already thinking, like, we might need to start switching to renewables or switch back to coal.

00:19:36.000 A lot of them have discussed moving back to coal because coal's on sale right now.

00:19:40.000 Going back to the Australians, the Australians like to put a lot of coal.

00:19:42.000 West Virginia's coming back, baby. 0.99

00:19:44.000 Yeah.

00:19:45.000 All that coal.

00:19:46.000 And you can upscale it into graphene, too.

00:19:48.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:19:49.000 See, Ian's on the Trump train now.

00:19:50.000 Oh, let's coal mine.

00:19:52.000 Yeah.

00:19:53.000 Well, you can actually convert oil into graphene as well with thermal heating.

00:19:56.000 This could be this, like, seriously, the graphene play could manifest here.

00:20:00.000 What I wonder about fusion, and I, you know, for decades they've been like, it's just 20 years away, 20 years later.

00:20:06.000 Is like, would the Chinese even go so far as to unleash fusion reactors across the board and give their populace access to that power?

00:20:13.000 I don't think they would. 0.92

00:20:14.000 If they feel the pinch, they may.

00:20:15.000 I mean, look, I mean, you're looking, China's window right now of truly asserting themselves as a global superpower is now closing.

00:20:20.000 It is now closing.

00:20:22.000 Again, like, the American GDP and the Chinese GDP have diverged, like, quite extensively over the last few years.

00:20:27.000 And China's population is aging rapidly.

00:20:30.000 They still haven't really tested their military.

00:20:31.000 Like, they haven't actually been in a hot conflict really ever, or at least certainly not in the last few decades.

00:20:36.000 So, they're kind of looking around at the global economy.

00:20:38.000 They might be thinking to themselves now might be the time to strike on Taiwan because all the East Asian allies are hurting right now. 0.55

00:20:44.000 Again, they're paying out the wazoo for energy at the moment.

00:20:47.000 I know they're buying it from the United States, but still they're in a strategically much worse place than they were before the war.

00:20:52.000 Taiwan, again, 50% of their energy grid is built off of LNG.

00:20:56.000 So, they're all like on their knees right now.

00:20:58.000 I mean, there's a serious crisis.

00:21:00.000 If you go read the press over there, like, they're freaking out.

00:21:02.000 And so China might be thinking it's now or never, and that's what could really kick things off.

00:21:06.000 Now, I don't expect them to, but I'm just saying the odds of it happening now, I don't know what Polyomarket or Kalshi is saying, but I would imagine it's higher than it's been in a minute, just purely because of how vulnerable, again, East Asia is right now.

00:21:20.000 And the U.S. also has diverted a lot of our munitions.

00:21:23.000 We've completely abandoned East Asia, maybe not completely, but we've largely abandoned our military posture in East Asia to sort of apply those resources to our Middle Eastern operation right now.

00:21:32.000 So munitions are very low in East Asia.

00:21:35.000 A lot of our navies out of the region.

00:21:36.000 It's really just our bases.

00:21:38.000 Our bases are what's providing our posture in East Asia right now.

00:21:41.000 So it's a really like the last two weeks, the world's just completely changed, to say the least.

00:21:46.000 We've got this from PBS.

00:21:48.000 Trump tells PBS News that lots of bombs start going off if Iran ceasefire expires.

00:21:55.000 Now, the issue is, as far as I know, the news on what is going on is just it's a Jackson Pollock painting.

00:22:03.000 You can't track it, right?

00:22:04.000 With the seizure of this Iranian vessel that's now.

00:22:07.000 Suspected to be carrying dual use materials.

00:22:10.000 Peace talks are apparently off.

00:22:12.000 Iran saying they're not going to be involved in this. 0.99

00:22:14.000 Trump is saying, okay, then we're going to start bombing the crap out of Iran. 0.95

00:22:18.000 I don't know where this ends up other than escalation. 0.96

00:22:21.000 I will say it does not seem that there is an effort to calm things down.

00:22:26.000 It seems like there is only an effort to escalate this.

00:22:30.000 How do you ever get out of it?

00:22:32.000 How do we make anything different happen if this is what we're getting?

00:22:36.000 Iran says no peace talks.

00:22:37.000 Trump says, okay, then bombs.

00:22:39.000 That's the scary situation, right?

00:22:41.000 I know there's a lot of people that are sort of exclaiming that Trump has decisively won this conflict already.

00:22:47.000 I think it's a bit premature.

00:22:48.000 I don't think we're out of the weeds yet.

00:22:49.000 Again, things are looking promising at times.

00:22:51.000 I mean, we've won this war eight times already, according to President Trump.

00:22:54.000 I mean, he declares we won quite frequently.

00:22:58.000 But again, to Tim's point, I mean, where's the off ramp right now? 0.99

00:23:01.000 I mean, the Iranians are not willing to budge because for them, the victory condition for Iran is survival. 1.00

00:23:06.000 The victory condition for us, the bar is much higher. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Like, we have to draw some serious, some serious, we have to extract some serious, I guess, folds from the Iranians to really emerge victorious. 1.00

00:23:20.000 We got to throw this fact check in real quick because this video has been going massively viral. 0.99

00:23:25.000 Jimmy Dore posted it saying that a CIA analyst was claiming that Trump threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran and that Dan Kane was like, no, and like threatened Trump.

00:23:35.000 The fact check is, Kane did not storm out of an emergency meeting after Trump suggested threatening Iran with nuclear weapons.

00:23:41.000 They claim that the initial claim was that Dan Kane stormed out of an emergency meeting with Trump.

00:23:46.000 Insider is saying, blah, blah, blah.

00:23:48.000 He refused to, you know, whatever.

00:23:50.000 They say, uh, Lead story searched Google News, Yahoo News, did not find any matching reports for Dan Kane stormed out of an emergency meeting.

00:23:58.000 If the Trump said he wanted to threaten Iran with nuclear weapons, had such an incident actually occurred and been confirmed by sources, major news outlets would have widely reported. 0.94

00:24:07.000 I do want to stress that's the stupidest rationale for a fact check. 0.65

00:24:10.000 No one's yet reported outside of rumors, therefore it must be false. 0.96

00:24:15.000 But let me see if I can find the scuttlebutt.

00:24:20.000 Because I do have the video from Jimmy Dore, but I want to make sure I get the article on this one first.

00:24:24.000 What is this?

00:24:26.000 Trump faces Catholic backlash and nuclear code allegations.

00:24:30.000 Okay.

00:24:32.000 Here we have.

00:24:33.000 Wow.

00:24:34.000 Look at this from The Mirror.

00:24:36.000 I mean, guys, this is what I'm trying to stress.

00:24:36.000 Here we go.

00:24:39.000 This is like The Mirror is not some random unknown blog.

00:24:44.000 This is The Mirror.

00:24:45.000 This is like a well known publication in the UK.

00:24:47.000 Trump blocked from axing nuclear codes by head of US military.

00:24:51.000 They claim.

00:24:53.000 Retired CIA analyst Larry Johnson said on his YouTube show, Judging Freedom, that during an emergency meeting on Saturday, Trump tried to access the nuclear codes.

00:25:01.000 One report coming out of that meeting at the White House is that Trump wanted to use the nuclear codes, and General Dan Kane stood up to him and said no.

00:25:08.000 He invoked his privilege as the head of the military, so to speak.

00:25:10.000 It was apparently quite a blow up.

00:25:12.000 There are some very bizarre things going on in D.C.

00:25:15.000 The claims have not been confirmed, and it is unclear what the nuclear codes would be.

00:25:19.000 Let me play the clip for you.

00:25:20.000 This is from Judging Freedom.

00:25:22.000 Jimmy Doar posted this.

00:25:24.000 Oh, you know, we have the site muted.

00:25:26.000 Don't worry, we got it.

00:25:27.000 And then there was a report out that they had an emergency meeting Saturday night.

00:25:34.000 And apparently, well, one report coming out of that meeting at the White House is that Trump wanted to use the nuclear, so called, use the nuclear codes.

00:25:44.000 And General Dan Kane stood up and said no.

00:25:48.000 He invoked his privilege as the head of the military, so to speak.

00:25:57.000 It was apparently.

00:25:58.000 Quite a blow up.

00:25:59.000 There are pictures of Kane coming out of that meeting with his head down to the ground.

00:26:05.000 So, you know, there's some very, very bizarre things going on in DC.

00:26:12.000 I say shenanigans.

00:26:15.000 I don't believe it, especially considering Donald Trump is the head of the military, not a general.

00:26:19.000 I know.

00:26:20.000 So, there's the implications of this would be scary any which way.

00:26:23.000 If it's true, Trump wanted to nuke Iran and he wanted access to the codes or at least to scare them by activating nukes.

00:26:29.000 That's horrifying.

00:26:30.000 If it's also true that Trump wanted to activate weapons, but a general stopped him, also terrifying.

00:26:36.000 I'm going to go and say both are probably false.

00:26:39.000 I got a third theory that might actually be true. 0.83

00:26:41.000 Trump wanted this story to get out that he's the crazy madman that wanted the nukes, but he just wasn't.

00:26:46.000 Thank God we have the restraint of the military, or he would have done it.

00:26:49.000 That's a way he doesn't have to threaten the nukes.

00:26:52.000 I think you're right.

00:26:52.000 I think that's actually what happened.

00:26:54.000 Once you make the threat, you've played your hand, you have nothing else to play.

00:26:57.000 So he doesn't.

00:26:58.000 We can't.

00:26:58.000 It's like saying, if not for them, then.

00:27:00.000 I mean, because, yeah, that's a really good point.

00:27:00.000 This would have happened.

00:27:03.000 I just want to reiterate.

00:27:05.000 Ian saying Trump, his administration intentionally leaked a story that he was trying to nuke Iran, but was stopped from doing it.

00:27:12.000 I mean, it'd be interesting that it fell into the hands of Napolitano because, like, he was a Fox News guy for a long time, like 20 years.

00:27:18.000 Larry Johnson's a little different.

00:27:19.000 I mean, Larry Johnson, like, literally three months before 9 11, was like, there's no terrorist threat whatsoever.

00:27:24.000 I don't want to listen to him.

00:27:25.000 But Napolitano, I don't know.

00:27:27.000 Like, he's kind of been around the block, so as far as media goes.

00:27:30.000 So I don't know.

00:27:31.000 There's a possibility there's some sort of connection between him and the White House.

00:27:33.000 I think Ian's right.

00:27:34.000 I think Ian's right.

00:27:35.000 This is that.

00:27:36.000 That is kind of the Trump's a PR guy.

00:27:38.000 So he's like, We need to freak them out.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 If Trump actually says I'll nuke you, they'll say, shut up.

00:27:43.000 If a story comes out where it's like Trump's trying to nuke them and they won't let them, they're going to be like, uh.

00:27:48.000 A few weeks ago, Trump said, you got to bow to my demands. 0.92

00:27:52.000 I'm putting words in his mouth, but the way he said it, or we're going to unleash hell and fury on Iran and wipe out genocide, the civilization.

00:27:58.000 He basically alluded to total war and just didn't do it.

00:28:01.000 And like once you make that threat and don't follow through, I don't think any of these threats are going to be taken seriously.

00:28:06.000 So you do want to tone down the threatening rhetoric and just let them believe.

00:28:10.000 That something's coming.

00:28:11.000 Everyone's cheering for Ian right now in the chat.

00:28:13.000 They're saying a broken clock.

00:28:14.000 The downside is I want to help the United States come out on top of the conflict.

00:28:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:18.000 So I don't want to reveal his hand, but at the same time, I feel like as doing commentary.

00:28:21.000 I just told him.

00:28:22.000 Okay, then let's do this.

00:28:23.000 What's that?

00:28:24.000 It's my phone.

00:28:26.000 What's that, Mr. President?

00:28:27.000 Hold on, I'm getting a text from you. 1.00

00:28:28.000 Actively trying to nuke Iran right now. 1.00

00:28:30.000 He does want to do it.

00:28:31.000 Oh, yeah, it's right here, President Trump.

00:28:33.000 My group chat with Heg Seth.

00:28:34.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:28:35.000 Don't nuke Trump.

00:28:36.000 But, you know, badass, keep it up, guys.

00:28:40.000 I mean, it's good, it's working.

00:28:41.000 Wait, no, no, no.

00:28:42.000 That wasn't.

00:28:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:43.000 Wait, wait.

00:28:44.000 I don't know what he's talking about.

00:28:44.000 What?

00:28:45.000 Block from nuclear codes?

00:28:47.000 No, that's fake.

00:28:47.000 That doesn't sound right.

00:28:48.000 But also, Trump might have asked, like, hey, so what's up with these nuclear codes?

00:28:52.000 Can I get them?

00:28:53.000 And the general's like, this idea that we open that box.

00:28:56.000 How do you not ask that when you're the president?

00:28:58.000 Every president has a thought of, like, oh, I've been doing this for a while.

00:29:00.000 Oh, the first thing I'm doing.

00:29:01.000 How do you not?

00:29:01.000 I'd be like, let me see the football.

00:29:03.000 Open it up.

00:29:03.000 Watch, it's probably like four numbers.

00:29:04.000 Like, it's easy to get.

00:29:05.000 Oh, it's my birthday.

00:29:07.000 I think, too, the way he operates in this administration versus previous administration, you know, his first term.

00:29:12.000 Sorry, the code is 1776.

00:29:14.000 His first term.

00:29:15.000 Anytime he wanted to, like, Dangle the keys and like distract everybody, he could just put out a tweet.

00:29:20.000 He doesn't tweet anymore.

00:29:21.000 He put truths or whatever it is now.

00:29:23.000 Truths.

00:29:24.000 Anytime he wants to like muddy the waters to get everybody all up in arms and distracting and stuff, he's got to go throughout these other securitist routes.

00:29:30.000 Yeah.

00:29:30.000 I mean, yeah.

00:29:31.000 And like to your point, to everyone's point, is I mean, we just saw this with Cuba.

00:29:34.000 I mean, the idea that like the Pentagon, whoops, there was a leak.

00:29:37.000 Oh, we're going to invade Cuba.

00:29:38.000 Like that just slipped out.

00:29:39.000 No, Trump is like infamous for A B testing ideas.

00:29:42.000 He'll like throw out an idea, kind of see how everyone in the space reacts, and then we'll like either double down or kind of back off of it.

00:29:48.000 He's famous for this.

00:29:49.000 In this example, this is kind of a little way of doing that.

00:29:51.000 He's going to Madman Theory.

00:29:52.000 I think that's what he's trying to mean.

00:29:54.000 That came about during Nick's show.

00:29:54.000 It was a slow weekend.

00:29:55.000 He wanted to spice things up.

00:29:57.000 Throw that out there and just kind of see what everyone reacted to.

00:29:59.000 We're at 100% toppling Cuba. 0.80

00:30:01.000 Oh, yeah, dude, it's happening.

00:30:03.000 Like all the reports that are coming out now, again, I think this is trial balloon stuff, but I'm seeing more and more reports about the U.S. preparing an invasion, like drones flying over Cuba now.

00:30:13.000 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 Secret meetings with Cuban officials.

00:30:17.000 I think they're freaking out.

00:30:19.000 Again, what if the reports on a U.S. invasion of Cuba were to force the Cuban government to start negotiating?

00:30:25.000 That's what it was.

00:30:25.000 I mean, we saw a report today that one of the Cuban officials came out, but he gave the wrong answer.

00:30:29.000 He was like, oh, we're sovereign, actually.

00:30:31.000 And I was like, nope, wrong answer.

00:30:32.000 You're not. 0.95

00:30:33.000 We can like destroy you whenever we want. 0.91

00:30:35.000 But yeah, that's true.

00:30:36.000 It's more of like ratcheting up pressure before like a round of negotiations.

00:30:39.000 And who knows what we'll extract out of them.

00:30:42.000 I think Venezuela, we can just like show them the video, be like, hey, that'd be a lot easier to take over you than that. 0.93

00:30:47.000 At least Venezuela had like some stuff going for them.

00:30:50.000 You know what we should do?

00:30:51.000 We should just have a bunch of tourists go to Cuba.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 And then just like a couple cruise ships pull up and like several thousand people come out in like Hawaiian shirts and like khakis.

00:31:01.000 And then they just stay.

00:31:03.000 And that's it.

00:31:04.000 Well, that would have.

00:31:05.000 You know, and that wouldn't have worked in the 80s because if you look how like CIA guys used to dress, they did used to just dress like that.

00:31:10.000 They used to just wear like slacks, where now they're like all body armored up and everything.

00:31:13.000 To be fair, we just send tons and tons of troops to Guantanamo Bay and then they walk outside.

00:31:18.000 Yeah, you know, and this is maybe, this is kind of one of my pet issues is like Guantanamo Bay.

00:31:22.000 Why are we not turning that into like Hong Kong 2.0?

00:31:24.000 Because the actual part of, like, the actual concessions that we got as far as like what we can utilize, there's a lot of land there we don't use for development. 0.91

00:31:30.000 I'm like, we should just turn it into like a paradise so that way Cubans look across the fence and they see like skyscrapers in their eyes. 0.91

00:31:36.000 Or an ice detention center? 0.93

00:31:37.000 Yeah, just something that would like send a message to the Cuban people of like, oh, wow, we need that actually. 1.00

00:31:41.000 That would be really cool.

00:31:42.000 Like, I'm sitting there.

00:31:43.000 Mexican City?

00:31:44.000 Begging for bread and I could have like skyscrapers. 0.97

00:31:46.000 We have that.

00:31:46.000 It's called Key West.

00:31:47.000 Key West is closer to Cuba than Miami is.

00:31:49.000 Yeah, they could just get their binoculars out and just be like, whoa.

00:31:52.000 Yo, Cuba is a fascinating story about why, like, liberating someone isn't always the best thing for them.

00:31:59.000 Sometimes you want to take control of them because, like, when we liberated Cuba from the Spanish Empire in 1898 with the Spanish American War, we gave them sovereignty and then a communist dictator took it over.

00:32:10.000 And now, but had we taken it and taken control of it, like Puerto Rico made it a territory, it would still be a peaceful, probably, well, I don't know, not like Puerto Rico is a haven of wealth, but it would have a better shot than Castro's, you know, demolition of the country. 0.51

00:32:10.000 Yeah. 0.51

00:32:25.000 So.

00:32:26.000 It's crazy to think that, like, maybe we should have taken it and conquered it.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, totally.

00:32:31.000 We totally should have.

00:32:31.000 I mean, this is the case with, like, pretty much every decolonization, like, post-decolonization story throughout the world, is that more often than not, they just diverge back into, or they revert back into, like, basically tribal warfare.

00:32:44.000 I mean, this is what you saw throughout Africa.

00:32:46.000 There's exceptions, obviously, like, Singapore actually probably was better off decolonized, so to speak, but that was for a variety of other reasons. 0.82

00:32:53.000 But yeah, like, Cuba is a great example of we cut them loose and then what it took 20 years before they had a literally a communist government.

00:33:00.000 I mean, like, Yeah, maybe we should just sort of incorporate them into the fold.

00:33:03.000 And now you have an elite ready to go because they have an entire elite in exile.

00:33:07.000 They're all in South Florida.

00:33:08.000 You could just tell them to go back to Cuba and take back, like, whatever their lands were or whatever and just rebuild the economy.

00:33:14.000 I grew up around many of those guys.

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:15.000 I lived in South Florida in the late 90s, early 2000s.

00:33:18.000 And yeah, all of them, they came into the U.S. during, like, the 70s and 80s, and they're just waiting. 1.00

00:33:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:24.000 They get the green light to go back. 0.99

00:33:25.000 Were they wealthy capitalists that had had their property seized by Castro?

00:33:29.000 No, actually, one of them, this guy named Sal, he swears up and down if you watch the movie Scarface, that.

00:33:33.000 News footage at the beginning of the movie of the guys like washing up on shore.

00:33:36.000 He's like, I was in that boat.

00:33:37.000 I was there when they were filming the movie.

00:33:39.000 And no, he's like a plumber in South Florida, but he had two Harleys when he lived in Cuba that he buried in a septic tank when he fled the country.

00:33:47.000 So he's like, I'm going back and getting my Harleys back.

00:33:50.000 Yeah, it wasn't so much that they were like the elites that got targeted, but like the middle class.

00:33:53.000 I mean, Cuba was fairly wealthy.

00:33:55.000 So the middle class there before the revolution was actually doing fairly well.

00:33:59.000 And so, again, compared to what Cuba is now, they would be perceived as quite wealthy.

00:34:02.000 But at the time, they were.

00:34:03.000 A lot of them were just middle class.

00:34:05.000 And same thing in Venezuela. 0.79

00:34:07.000 A rising tide lifts all boats.

00:34:09.000 Well, a tide going back in sinks a lot of boats.

00:34:11.000 And that's kind of what happened in Cuba.

00:34:13.000 I mean, I'm sure there were some elites that had their housing and land stolen, and that's why they're angry.

00:34:19.000 But a lot of them are just normal middle class people.

00:34:21.000 And you could afford to buy quite nice things on a middle class salary in Cuba in very recent memory.

00:34:28.000 Great American, too.

00:34:29.000 I knew a lot that.

00:34:30.000 When they would celebrate Thanksgiving, they would all dress up as pilgrims.

00:34:34.000 It was the weirdest thing. 1.00

00:34:35.000 I'm in South Florida and I'm hanging out with a bunch of Cuban Americans and they're all dressed as pilgrims. 1.00

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 So, one of the claims on the Iranian cargo ship is that it was carrying ammonium perchlorate, sodium perchlorate, sodium chlorate, oxidizers and propellant chemicals like dual use materials, which can be used for ballistic missiles.

00:34:52.000 Right.

00:34:52.000 And like probably fertilizer or something.

00:34:54.000 They're like, hey, it's just for farms.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 And for chemicals.

00:34:57.000 I'm trying to grow dates.

00:34:58.000 Any of that stuff in bulk, you can do a lot of damage.

00:35:00.000 Let's grab this story from Bloomberg.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:02.000 Trump invokes wartime powers to.

00:35:04.000 Fund new energy projects.

00:35:06.000 Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to provide federal funds for energy projects targeting areas including domestic coal power and power grid infrastructure.

00:35:14.000 The move allows the Energy Department to deploy funding to overcome delays, financial shortfalls, and market barriers, and to support projects such as coal fired power plants and facilities that manufacture gas turbines.

00:35:24.000 Trump said the actions are necessary to strengthen grid infrastructure, unleash reliable energy, and support national defense, citing concerns about high energy costs and the nation's aging and constrained electric grid infrastructure.

00:35:35.000 Two things here Trump invoking wartime powers.

00:35:38.000 With the Iran war stuff going off, it's kind of freaky.

00:35:41.000 Except presidents invoke wartime powers all the time.

00:35:45.000 The question is is this just a move for energy independence to strengthen us in the United States?

00:35:50.000 Or is it executive encroachment that our legislative branch is so dysfunctional, the president is just rubber stamping projects now?

00:35:59.000 Maybe.

00:36:00.000 Do you want power to have those AI data centers turned on or not?

00:36:04.000 Man.

00:36:05.000 Yeah, the guy.

00:36:06.000 Hi, dude.

00:36:06.000 What is it?

00:36:08.000 Not anthropic CEO.

00:36:10.000 But what's the other?

00:36:11.000 Oh, no, no, the defense Palantir.

00:36:14.000 Palantir, yeah.

00:36:14.000 Their CEO in his book said he wanted a draft.

00:36:17.000 He thought that it was a draft.

00:36:18.000 It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

00:36:19.000 What's that?

00:36:19.000 Well, he thinks that service should be mandatory and military service should be mandatory.

00:36:23.000 Trump, like, yeah, if the executive takes control and then institutes a draft, that could be very concerning.

00:36:28.000 So, like, we do need.

00:36:30.000 I think you thought for a second that it was an AI company, or I'm sorry, an energy company, but Palantir is just like a government contractor for surveillance.

00:36:38.000 So, it was unrelated to Trump's wartime policy.

00:36:41.000 It's like our AI defense grid.

00:36:43.000 If that thing starts calling for drafts and compelling service, and the president takes the authority to do it, it is largely an exaggeration.

00:36:50.000 He said national service. 0.54

00:36:51.000 He said we have to bring back some kind of national service, which we all agree with.

00:36:54.000 Are you sure the quote?

00:36:55.000 No, it was a manifesto when he said national service.

00:36:55.000 I thought it said.

00:36:58.000 It's like in the Heinlein sense, you know, Star Star Struck Troopers, that kind of thing.

00:37:00.000 I'm going to look it up because I thought there was more, but I'll check it out.

00:37:03.000 But to the story, I mean, Biden and Obama both invoked wartime powers over cleaning our electric grid up, as far as like Obama was trying to, I think it was literally, he just called it like.

00:37:14.000 The Green Act or something, and he used wartime powers.

00:37:16.000 And then Biden did the same thing.

00:37:17.000 And Biden, this is like 2022, he invoked wartime powers to build out like clean energy.

00:37:24.000 And he did it.

00:37:25.000 The reason he justified it was he was saying because we're competing with China for renewable energies, like in the renewable energy race. 0.53

00:37:32.000 So we need to invoke wartime powers in our economic war against China. 0.54

00:37:35.000 That was like his rationale for it.

00:37:37.000 So this idea that this is like a unique thing is just like laughable.

00:37:41.000 I mean, invoking it for renewable energy, like what are we doing here?

00:37:44.000 I want to know what got invoked.

00:37:47.000 Did he say what specifically, or is it kept general on purpose?

00:37:54.000 The Defense Production Act.

00:37:55.000 Yeah, they use it all the time.

00:37:57.000 Biden used it for a baby formula shortage.

00:37:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:59.000 They use it all the time.

00:38:00.000 He did it for batteries.

00:38:01.000 We had a battery shortage.

00:38:04.000 It happens once every three months, three to six months.

00:38:06.000 Since he's been in office in the second term, they've been trying to reinvigorate the industrialization, re industrialization of the U.S.

00:38:13.000 I feel like this is just like a, in case of emergency, break glass measure because we're expending 1,000 Tomahawk missiles in Iran and we build 100 per year.

00:38:23.000 Any attempt to ramp up production of anything in the U.S. is going to require a ton of energy.

00:38:27.000 And I think they're realizing we have a limited amount of time left in this term, and we got to get as much done as humanly possible.

00:38:34.000 I wonder if we stay on the oil as our main energy source, if we will inevitably be led to global war. 0.87

00:38:41.000 Like the whole Iranian seizure and control is about oil.

00:38:44.000 And if we're stuck on oil as our main and only fuel source. 0.98

00:38:48.000 If we're not stuck, we want it to be that way because we control it.

00:38:52.000 Right.

00:38:52.000 And if it's hydrogen, you kind of lose control.

00:38:54.000 Unless, well, the theory is not.

00:38:58.000 I mean, first order thinkers are like the U.S. won't allow any other technology to exist because they own oil.

00:39:04.000 Further down the order of thinking, you have, there are multiple different energy sources the U.S. is trying to control.

00:39:10.000 Once they control them, they have no problem with anyone using them.

00:39:12.000 The hydrogen is a little risky.

00:39:14.000 It's a great fuel if you can control it, but, and they can make it by producing graphene.

00:39:18.000 They get it as a byproduct.

00:39:19.000 So it's very easy.

00:39:20.000 They're not going to make hydrogen through a byproduct of graphene.

00:39:22.000 They're going to make it much simpler ways.

00:39:24.000 Well, it's pretty simple.

00:39:25.000 The hydrogen, I mean, if you superheat carbon and then it flashes into graphene, gives off hydrogen as a byproduct, it's pretty easy.

00:39:31.000 That's the thing is, if we, If countries start doing it, it kind of frees up their fuel source because it's just carbon.

00:39:36.000 You can get carbon from like trash.

00:39:38.000 There's other things you can do with oil and LNG, liquefied natural gas, too.

00:39:43.000 There's all kinds of petrochemicals and stuff that we produce as byproducts during refining.

00:39:48.000 So just the fact that we're controlling or we're exporting so much natural gas right now is great because it doesn't just stay as natural gas.

00:39:56.000 It can be burnt for energy, it can also be turned into other products.

00:39:59.000 So anytime we're net exporting all that stuff, it's a win for us.

00:40:04.000 Yeah, I mean, we use LNG for ethylene.

00:40:07.000 Is that how you pronounce that word?

00:40:09.000 It's what is the primary chemical that we use in plastics manufacturing.

00:40:14.000 So, if you can dominate LNG trade, you basically dominate the global plastics production.

00:40:20.000 And then, in addition to that, our electric grid primarily utilizes LNG.

00:40:26.000 So, I mean, to Tim's point, we don't want to diversify if we don't have to because it helps us on the global stage.

00:40:33.000 The LNG, that's methane, liquid natural gas is methane.

00:40:36.000 CH4 is the Chemical structure, you can strip away the carbon and turn it into graphene.

00:40:40.000 I know it's, I brought it up a lot of times, and then you left over with all that hydrogen.

00:40:44.000 Similar, you actually turn carbon dioxide into methane and then turn that methane into graphene with the hydrogen byproduct.

00:40:50.000 But I think you're probably right that the ideal for the power structure is to maintain the oil and methane chain and not open up a new fuel source yet until we have total control.

00:41:03.000 Like, I don't know what they're thinking, but I mean, the inevitable transition to another fuel source is coming.

00:41:08.000 It's just a matter of when and how.

00:41:11.000 And how disruptive it is.

00:41:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:14.000 Well, and the LNG market globally was super competitive up until recently.

00:41:19.000 I mean, like, literally last week.

00:41:20.000 So, I mean, for the longest time, yeah, a lot of that was used domestically, but now that we're able to export a lot of it, I mean, again, who knows?

00:41:27.000 Who knows how the global market will rewire?

00:41:31.000 Anyone have any further?

00:41:32.000 Does anybody have any stronger opinions about it?

00:41:35.000 The world's going to end and aliens are going to come at the same time and then there's going to be a big earthquake.

00:41:39.000 Wasn't there supposed to be some UFO stuff announced this week?

00:41:42.000 It's supposed to be.

00:41:42.000 That's why it seems like now's the time for it.

00:41:45.000 What a world.

00:41:45.000 It's what feels so lame.

00:41:46.000 It's like being in commentary and then literally having to give the answer.

00:41:50.000 Let's just see what happens.

00:41:50.000 I don't know.

00:41:51.000 That's actually how I feel about a lot of this.

00:41:54.000 I think most people feel like I don't care anymore.

00:41:58.000 It feels like the last 10 years.

00:42:00.000 It's just like imagine there's some morbidly obese.

00:42:04.000 Purple haired woman to your right, and I guess to your left, and then on your right is like some mug, smug guy in a suit.

00:42:11.000 The person on the left is going, just in your left ear the whole time, and the guy on the right's going, Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, really, the whole time.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, that's what it feels like for 10 years, and so I'm just like, Is the new uh Game of Thrones done yet?

00:42:27.000 Because I've been waiting for that book. 0.97

00:42:29.000 If the Chinese were blockading the Panama Canal right now, I'd be out of my mind screaming rampant, like, Ah. 0.99

00:42:36.000 Thing about thing, about thing, about thing.

00:42:38.000 I don't think so.

00:42:38.000 I think you're going like the Americans shouldn't have colonized Panama.

00:42:41.000 Well, no, I would be very, I'd become very warlike if the Chinese were to start to blockade anything of ours. 0.87

00:42:48.000 But if we've blockaded the Iranians, I don't, I'm not. 0.69

00:42:52.000 I'm just like, I'm not going to speak out against my government right now. 0.63

00:42:56.000 I'm maybe supposed to if they're doing something wrong.

00:43:00.000 China's been stealing our intellectual property for decades.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, no. 0.94

00:43:05.000 And so what?

00:43:06.000 And we don't even do anything about it.

00:43:07.000 I don't know what to do about it.

00:43:08.000 We just mock them.

00:43:09.000 We like our cheap stuff.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, we're like, oh, yeah, but I mean, I had neighbors that used to come home.

00:43:13.000 Like, I had a kid who lived next to me.

00:43:15.000 His dad worked in China a lot.

00:43:17.000 He used to bring home DVDs before the thing came on film.

00:43:20.000 That's awesome.

00:43:21.000 Well, yeah, it's literally a punchline.

00:43:23.000 We're like, oh, that's the Timu version of such and such.

00:43:25.000 It's like, we're literally getting our IP ripped off, and then we make jokes about it.

00:43:30.000 Even though they are under, I mean, that is a problem.

00:43:31.000 Like, they are totally undercutting our economy.

00:43:34.000 But I, my person, I mean, personally, I'm not a big fan of IP law in general.

00:43:39.000 It's kind of silly that a corporation can buy a likeness and then profit off of it for 100 years, literally.

00:43:43.000 What is it?

00:43:44.000 Mickey Mouse.

00:43:44.000 What do you mean?

00:43:45.000 Like, they're supposed to give it back to the commons and then they hold it.

00:43:47.000 What do you mean?

00:43:47.000 They did.

00:43:48.000 They were.

00:43:48.000 They're supposed to.

00:43:49.000 They held it for longer than they were supposed to.

00:43:50.000 No, Mickey.

00:43:51.000 Steamboat Willy is now public domain.

00:43:53.000 We've.

00:43:53.000 We've made jokes about it.

00:43:54.000 They're like, we were going to.

00:43:55.000 People are making like Nazi paraphernalia with like Steamboat Willy stories.

00:43:59.000 They did figure out ways to like prolong their control of it.

00:44:01.000 That's true.

00:44:02.000 It's like it was supposed to be like 50 years.

00:44:04.000 It's like your lifetime plus 70 years, I think, is what it used to be at one point.

00:44:08.000 It is pretty insane to think that there are stories so like just old and common.

00:44:14.000 That they're public domain now.

00:44:16.000 Like, I think Peter Pan is, right?

00:44:18.000 Captain Hook and all that stuff.

00:44:19.000 That's the whole Disney back catalog.

00:44:20.000 All those stories were public domain.

00:44:23.000 But their versions of these characters they do own because they're unique, right?

00:44:26.000 Like, what is it?

00:44:28.000 Little Mermaid is slightly different.

00:44:30.000 So the actual Little Mermaid dies at the end of the story.

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 She turns into sea foam, which just disintegrates.

00:44:36.000 There's constant jostling over Bible and like Quran translations because it's like, okay, clearly you can't like copyright the Bible, but this specific translation we have copyrighted, like, I don't know, like the New Living translation or something.

00:44:48.000 So, it's like spawning all these new translations that are really obscure.

00:44:52.000 To your point, Ian, IP law is over anyway.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, I know, because corporations.

00:44:55.000 Corporation is a big cudgel.

00:44:58.000 Corporation wants to own you and your likeness.

00:45:00.000 It's not about corporations. 0.92

00:45:01.000 That's a weird communist nonsense.

00:45:04.000 Well, my concern is the corporate takeover. 0.86

00:45:06.000 It's not the Chinese, it's the corporations sliding in the back of the car. 0.85

00:45:09.000 Corporations, bro. 0.77

00:45:10.000 There's like millions upon millions of corporations.

00:45:12.000 Corporate law.

00:45:13.000 They have personhood.

00:45:14.000 It's very weird. 1.00

00:45:15.000 But the Chinese, if the Chinese broke it open and they're like, you know what, screw your IP law, everyone can have access to every character. 1.00

00:45:20.000 I'd rather that than corporations owning your likeness. 1.00

00:45:23.000 I disagree because a corporation could be one single person with a legally protected entity just so that it houses that particular IP.

00:45:30.000 An IP law is.

00:45:31.000 I don't know, but they sell that IP too.

00:45:33.000 That's the danger of it.

00:45:34.000 Let me put it like this You've written a song, right?

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:39.000 What if one day on this show you said something that was factually incorrect and defamatory?

00:45:46.000 So they sued you and took the rights to that song away from you.

00:45:49.000 Would that make sense?

00:45:50.000 No.

00:45:51.000 But that's the way it works.

00:45:53.000 You own that song.

00:45:55.000 If you are sued, you have to pay the damages, right?

00:45:58.000 So they'll look at your assets and say, What does Ian own of value?

00:46:01.000 Nothing.

00:46:02.000 The person might go, he does have the rights to these songs and they do have a potential value.

00:46:06.000 I'll accept the rights to that.

00:46:08.000 Now you've lost the rights to your song and they can do whatever they want.

00:46:10.000 You'll never see a penny for it.

00:46:12.000 So how about you form like a corporation that isolates that IP so that it can't be seized in its way?

00:46:17.000 And to be fair, the corporation is still an asset of yours.

00:46:19.000 It works in the inverse.

00:46:20.000 If you as a representative of a corporation do something defamatory, they can't come after you personally after the fact unless you personally are involved.

00:46:29.000 The purpose of corporations is to limit liability to key areas.

00:46:32.000 Otherwise, you could own a house.

00:46:35.000 And then someone slips on a banana peel at a work, a business you own, and then sue you and take your home from you because something the business was doing.

00:46:42.000 So we separate these so they're legally distinct.

00:46:45.000 To be fair, there's still ways to go after the individual, the principal, and go after his assets as well.

00:46:49.000 Just harder to do.

00:46:50.000 So corporation just doesn't mean a whole lot when you say, I don't like corporations.

00:46:53.000 No, I didn't say I don't like them.

00:46:55.000 I just don't like megacorps owning, I was supposed to find megacorps too, owning human IP, owning personal likenesses.

00:47:03.000 It's a very strange form of IP that I think is aberrant.

00:47:06.000 It's not what the law was made to do.

00:47:09.000 I don't think that's why I'm saying that.

00:47:09.000 It was?

00:47:11.000 The law wasn't made to own people's likenesses against the law.

00:47:13.000 They literally created laws so that people's likenesses could be held as IP.

00:47:17.000 I think the laws.

00:47:17.000 Yes.

00:47:18.000 That's why they're able to do it.

00:47:20.000 The laws were originally made so that the British government could control the copies of the Bible they were selling.

00:47:25.000 They wanted to make sure the same copy.

00:47:26.000 And I am talking about IP law in the United States drafted by Congress to protect companies owning it's contract law.

00:47:34.000 They weren't like in the 1970s going, let's go back to Britain.

00:47:37.000 They were like, let's pass a new law in Congress so that corporations can hold these contracts.

00:47:41.000 I got.

00:47:42.000 I got a song called Copyright.

00:47:44.000 It's awesome.

00:47:45.000 I like IP when it works for the little guy, so the corporation can't take their idea.

00:47:49.000 What is the corporation?

00:47:50.000 You keep saying that.

00:47:51.000 Whatever, some giant money organism, whatever.

00:47:53.000 So you have an issue with one particular company and you're blaming the structure itself?

00:47:56.000 It's when big money comes in, buys an IP, and then you can't get it back.

00:48:01.000 Those are terrible situations.

00:48:02.000 They bought it.

00:48:03.000 What do you mean?

00:48:04.000 Like they use.

00:48:04.000 Right.

00:48:05.000 Don't sell it then.

00:48:06.000 You write a song and then Columbia Records comes to you and sues you because you have like the same chord progression as one of their pop songs.

00:48:13.000 That's something dramatically different.

00:48:14.000 That has happened.

00:48:15.000 But often we see that in the inverse.

00:48:17.000 Like when Sam Smith got sued by Tom Petty, they're two big major label stars.

00:48:21.000 Or when I think it was the family of Marvin Gaye, I could be wrong, sued, what's his face over blurred lines because the vibe was similar?

00:48:27.000 Thick, Robin Thick.

00:48:28.000 Is that his name?

00:48:29.000 Yeah, Robin Thick.

00:48:30.000 I think it was the vibes.

00:48:31.000 Love it.

00:48:31.000 That's a good song.

00:48:33.000 That's something totally different.

00:48:35.000 The idea that a corporation purchased via agreement from you to write something and now you're mad about it?

00:48:40.000 What are you complaining about?

00:48:41.000 They could do it via contract.

00:48:43.000 Some corporations have old contracts.

00:48:45.000 You have to agree to those terms.

00:48:46.000 But, like, do you understand what you're agreeing?

00:48:48.000 I don't think there's.

00:48:49.000 I used to find these entertainment contracts.

00:48:51.000 They're like, we own your likeness across all space and time through multiple.

00:48:54.000 How would you agree to it?

00:48:55.000 Well, it's like, do you want the job?

00:48:57.000 And you're like, I'm like a 22 year old actor.

00:48:57.000 And these are the contracts.

00:49:00.000 How do I?

00:49:01.000 This is Hollywood.

00:49:01.000 Can I?

00:49:02.000 Welcome to the 19th century, 20th century contract.

00:49:05.000 What do you have that another company gives you things for free?

00:49:11.000 None.

00:49:12.000 So, why are you complaining that some other company offered you something in exchange for something else?

00:49:18.000 Because what they're offering says the same thing on paper as what it said 30 years ago.

00:49:23.000 Of a corporation.

00:49:23.000 It says the same thing on paper that it said 30 years ago, but it means something different now.

00:49:26.000 No, that's not what it means.

00:49:27.000 Owning your likeness 30 years ago is one thing.

00:49:30.000 Now you can make AI carbon credits.

00:49:31.000 You were irrelevant to the conversation.

00:49:33.000 Are you agreeing to sell your likeness?

00:49:34.000 Yes or no?

00:49:35.000 You got to define what that means, and it meant something different.

00:49:38.000 So, today, you don't pull up a 30 year old law book to figure out what the contract means.

00:49:43.000 You go to a lawyer.

00:49:44.000 And then you agree, yes or no.

00:49:45.000 And if you agree to it, that's your choice.

00:49:48.000 You can't be like, yeah, well, I want the job, therefore they should give me beneficial terms.

00:49:52.000 You're basically saying the government should interfere in the negotiation between me and another entity because I want from them something they don't have to give me.

00:50:00.000 Well, I think that unethical contracts should not be honored.

00:50:04.000 What's an unethical contract?

00:50:05.000 Something that offends you?

00:50:06.000 Something that buys and owns your likeness.

00:50:08.000 That's your opinion.

00:50:09.000 If an individual voluntarily agrees to those terms, that's their fault.

00:50:12.000 Doesn't mean it's ethical.

00:50:14.000 Ethical is subjective to you, I guess.

00:50:17.000 I mean, I've listened to you say that contracts are useless.

00:50:20.000 Indeed.

00:50:20.000 30 to, no, probably like eight times over the last year.

00:50:23.000 Contracts that go beyond the scope of what a reasonable person expects or agrees to.

00:50:28.000 Right.

00:50:29.000 And only if I said to somebody, you will be an artist, we have a right to your likeness to market and portray and do all this art for the span of X amount of time, do you agree?

00:50:38.000 And they say, yes, that is totally ethical.

00:50:40.000 You're talking about for the span.

00:50:41.000 Now that's another, that's a better way to go about it for the span of X amount of years, but across all space and time through all universes is insane.

00:50:48.000 But, and also, like, IP law, if you're like an individual and you want to, like, license your likeness, that benefits you.

00:50:48.000 Don't agree to it then.

00:50:53.000 Now, now you're in the driver's seat because if there were no IP law in regards to likeness, like, you know, a football player can't control his naming printed on, you know, any piece of merchandise or his photo being put on any trading card.

00:51:04.000 I would actually say that, you know, it actually benefits the individuals primarily until someone else buys it from them.

00:51:10.000 You have to agree to it.

00:51:11.000 Or wants their likeness.

00:51:12.000 But people used to sell their children in Rome, like, to pay their slavery debts.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:16.000 Like, I don't want some company, some, Yeah, I mean, if you pay a lawyer and he thumbs through it and then misleads you on what the terms of the IP likeness exchange are, it would be thrown out in court in two seconds.

00:51:28.000 What if the corporate.

00:51:29.000 It would be thrown out in court.

00:51:29.000 What if mass layoffs receive in the next five years, mass layoffs, 20% unemployment, corporations come in and they're like, we will give you universal basic income if you sign your likeness to us across all space and time.

00:51:39.000 So, wait, wait.

00:51:39.000 You're saying we would like to purchase from you a thing in exchange for food and resources.

00:51:43.000 Yeah, we'll license you survival.

00:51:44.000 That's called voluntary exchange.

00:51:46.000 We'll license you survival if you give us the rights to your likeness.

00:51:49.000 Your survival is not the responsibility of somebody else, you communists.

00:51:49.000 It seems like you made it.

00:51:52.000 But they'll license, they'll give you money.

00:51:54.000 We'll buy, we'll contract your likeness.

00:51:57.000 Okay.

00:51:57.000 So you sold something to them for money.

00:51:58.000 We'll buy a 150 year contract from you.

00:52:00.000 We'll give you $700,000.

00:52:02.000 You can retire.

00:52:03.000 I did.

00:52:04.000 I did. 0.99

00:52:04.000 Fiat garbage that's worth next to $700,000. 0.99

00:52:07.000 You can buy a house right now. 0.94

00:52:07.000 Yeah, right, bro. 0.94

00:52:08.000 You can buy a big house.

00:52:10.000 But as soon as they start throwing away, what are they just, $50 billion Amazon's putting into, like, the money is, how much are they printing?

00:52:19.000 The core of your argument is I should get free stuff from big corporations.

00:52:22.000 No, it's not.

00:52:23.000 Then why should they give you money? 0.99

00:52:26.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:52:28.000 You said they come and offer you $700,000 for your likeness, and that's wrong. 0.99

00:52:32.000 And I'm like, what?

00:52:33.000 If a corporation comes and tries to, let's say they offer somebody $15,000 because they're destitute and they own their likeness after that.

00:52:39.000 Don't sell it to them.

00:52:41.000 Tell that to the starving guy who's looking for some lifeline.

00:52:44.000 We need legal barriers so that that can't happen.

00:52:47.000 The starving guy should not be given something of value in exchange for something of value.

00:52:47.000 You're right.

00:52:51.000 He should just die. 1.00

00:52:52.000 Not for his soul, not for his person. 1.00

00:52:54.000 It's his choice.

00:52:55.000 Look.

00:52:56.000 Does he have a choice?

00:52:57.000 But under duress, it's not really a choice.

00:52:59.000 How is it duress?

00:53:00.000 Well, if he's starving, would he be starving if the corporation did not exist?

00:53:06.000 That's a tight question.

00:53:07.000 The answer is yes.

00:53:09.000 The existence of a corporate entity is not a hindrance to an individual, and an offer is not unethical.

00:53:15.000 If the individual says, I will take the $15,000, should we just eliminate the corporation and say, nah, starve the nation? 0.75

00:53:20.000 What about all the Chinese corporations that own American farmland? 1.00

00:53:23.000 You're fine with that too.

00:53:24.000 What does that have to do with what we're talking about?

00:53:25.000 You're talking about corporations buying things and having the right to own them.

00:53:28.000 I mean, what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

00:53:30.000 Corporations taking the right to own them.

00:53:31.000 It sounds like you're just changing the subject because we're changing the subject.

00:53:33.000 Well, no, I'm pointing you how some corporations can buy things unethically.

00:53:36.000 So you're supposed to rectify it legally.

00:53:36.000 That's right.

00:53:38.000 Purchasing something legally is not unethical.

00:53:39.000 It's a voluntary exchange.

00:53:41.000 It's legal, but that doesn't mean it's good or ethical.

00:53:43.000 It's legal.

00:53:44.000 I'm not saying it's.

00:53:46.000 Were you going to say something, Jess?

00:53:47.000 I was going to say, I could give you concrete examples of where these contracts get squirrely.

00:53:51.000 In trucking, a lot of these guys that are crashing and killing people right now, they're not employees.

00:53:56.000 They're all independent, quote unquote, independent contractors. 0.99

00:53:58.000 So they're brought into the country.

00:54:00.000 They are told to immediately form an LLC, and then that company that's employing them is contracting to them, technically. 0.85

00:54:06.000 So.

00:54:07.000 None of these guys speak English.

00:54:08.000 They don't go to a lawyer.

00:54:09.000 Everything's presented to them.

00:54:11.000 Completely different issue, but also bad.

00:54:13.000 But we were talking contracts and stuff, and the way my brain works, everything goes to trucking.

00:54:17.000 So there's actually like a big class action lawsuit against a lot of these trucking companies because these drivers are starting to realize oh, I can take this contract, punch it into ChatGPT, and realize just how much I'm getting ripped off.

00:54:28.000 Because even the lawyers, the lawyers all work for the trucking companies. 0.59

00:54:31.000 Well, the problem we have with illegal immigration has always been these companies basically going to illegal immigrants knowing that they have no legal recourse no matter what they agree to. 0.99

00:54:40.000 Contracts don't exist, basically, because the individuals didn't have legal standing to enter into these contracts to begin with. 0.82

00:54:45.000 Famously, some of these companies would bring in illegal immigrants from Mexico to work in certain factories.

00:54:51.000 At the end of the month, when pay was due, they'd call INS. 0.99

00:54:53.000 This is back in the day.

00:54:54.000 They'd call ICE.

00:54:55.000 Show up, deport them all, pay nothing.

00:54:58.000 That's a totally different issue. 0.71

00:55:00.000 If one of these people had a contract and they're illegal immigrants or unlawfully working or bunk CDLs, they go to court over this. 0.99

00:55:08.000 They're going to be like, oh, Ice is waiting for you outside. 0.99

00:55:12.000 So the contracts are just fake anyway.

00:55:13.000 You know, I don't, I'm not like totally against IP law because I think it is reasonable in the right situations, but like owning data is very concerning for the future that we're going towards with like owning the schematics for a gun.

00:55:26.000 If you then can say, now no one can trade this data online or it will be a felony to send this email to your friend with that information because I own that information.

00:55:34.000 You can't send that.

00:55:35.000 That's like, bro, what?

00:55:36.000 And like, that's the whole name of the game in the West you come up with an idea and then you can make money off of your ideas.

00:55:43.000 How is anyone supposed to make money off of any unique idea that they have if they have no way of protecting those ideas?

00:55:49.000 Right.

00:55:49.000 And if a corporation then buys all those things and then shelves them, it kind of defeats the purpose of the little guy making money off his invention, which was the whole purpose in the common man's mind about why IP works.

00:56:04.000 It doesn't even need to be another corporation, it could just be you and me.

00:56:08.000 I show you something cool on my laptop and you're like, oh, that's pretty dope.

00:56:11.000 And then you rip off whatever I'm building.

00:56:14.000 I have to have some kind of defense to go after you to protect whatever I'm building.

00:56:20.000 Yeah.

00:56:21.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 That's the argument.

00:56:24.000 Dude, corporations got personhood status.

00:56:26.000 What is corporations or people?

00:56:28.000 What does that mean?

00:56:29.000 That they get.

00:56:30.000 We should pull up exactly what it means.

00:56:32.000 You should tell us because you're upset about it.

00:56:34.000 So explain to us without looking it up.

00:56:36.000 Oh, and I'll look it up and tell you.

00:56:37.000 Oh, because you don't actually know what you're talking about.

00:56:38.000 You just know that to call a corporation a person is kind of insane.

00:56:42.000 It sounds like you've never actually looked into it and you don't know what it means.

00:56:45.000 No, I don't know exactly what it means.

00:56:47.000 Because it's called corporate personhood, not a corporation is a person.

00:56:51.000 So now he's looking it up because he made an argument without understanding what he was talking about.

00:56:57.000 Let us know when you figure out what you mean.

00:56:59.000 I'm happy to.

00:57:00.000 Corporate personhood, the legal concept that corporations are treated as independent entities separate from their owners, managers, and employees, granting them certain legal rights and responsibilities, typically associated with natural persons.

00:57:13.000 So I'm okay with the independent entity thing.

00:57:16.000 And right.

00:57:17.000 So corporate personhood means that a corporation is a standing legal entity unto itself, which means it can be fined and penalized in whatever ways you can fine and penalize it for breaking the law.

00:57:28.000 It means that it can be sued.

00:57:30.000 It means that it can own property.

00:57:33.000 That's all it means.

00:57:34.000 It has speech rights, apparently.

00:57:36.000 Yes.

00:57:39.000 And we are a corporation and we produce news.

00:57:42.000 George Washington would have said about that, but he would have completely agreed because newspapers exist.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, the rights to free speech.

00:57:47.000 To be fair, the corporation didn't exist back then for the most part.

00:57:50.000 But the idea right now is that Tim Cast is a corporation.

00:57:53.000 The government can't stop Tim Cast from publishing content.

00:57:55.000 We have the right to produce content.

00:57:58.000 That's the First Amendment.

00:58:01.000 See, this is what happens.

00:58:03.000 Low intelligence and midwits are sitting around to the TV, and someone like Rachel Maddow goes, Corporations are not people.

00:58:10.000 They're legal entities.

00:58:11.000 And they go, Yeah.

00:58:13.000 And they get all mad about it.

00:58:14.000 And then people like Ian hear it, and they're like, That should be allowed.

00:58:17.000 And it's like, Do you even know what you're talking about?

00:58:18.000 You say it shouldn't be allowed?

00:58:19.000 This is like the third time you put words in my mouth tonight, dude.

00:58:22.000 I don't even know what you're talking about.

00:58:22.000 Bro.

00:58:24.000 You're on your team, dude.

00:58:25.000 Did you say it was wrong?

00:58:27.000 No, I just don't like the concept.

00:58:28.000 I'm reading about it now.

00:58:29.000 But you didn't even know what the concept was?

00:58:30.000 Well, they get.

00:58:32.000 Weird, more legal, like, no, this is again.

00:58:35.000 Corporate governance, man.

00:58:36.000 This is the whole point a corporate, they want to undo the United States and they want to set up a global corporate governance.

00:58:41.000 What does that mean?

00:58:42.000 It means that they want people to be shareholders and stakeholders in their process.

00:58:46.000 And if you violate their corporate ethos, you lose your free speech, you lose your right to speak, you lose banking, you got to be part of the corporation.

00:58:55.000 I could go on and on, but I mean, it's the World Economic Forum's modus operandi is corporate serfdom, basically.

00:59:03.000 So corporations exist.

00:59:05.000 You can choose to work for it, right?

00:59:08.000 Right now.

00:59:08.000 You can choose not to.

00:59:11.000 See, this is communism, Ian.

00:59:12.000 I think you need to understand why what you're saying is communism.

00:59:15.000 You are an individual human being, right?

00:59:18.000 Yes.

00:59:19.000 Do you have a right to any other property owned by anybody else?

00:59:23.000 So if a corporation does not exist, you are not being oppressed, right?

00:59:23.000 No.

00:59:28.000 A corporation can't oppress you.

00:59:30.000 I asked you a question.

00:59:32.000 It's a deep question because Nestle owns water now.

00:59:35.000 And if we as humans were like running out of water.

00:59:37.000 I own water.

00:59:38.000 What are you?

00:59:39.000 If we as humans started to run out of water and Nestle was like, you're not going to have any, we kind of have a right, but it's not a.

00:59:44.000 Legal right.

00:59:45.000 This is communism.

00:59:46.000 It's quite literally communism.

00:59:48.000 The argument of communism is the commons, that the people have a right to the commons.

00:59:53.000 I mean, arguing against corporatocracy, it's not necessarily.

00:59:57.000 It doesn't have to be two extremes, but using the government to seize corporate.

01:00:01.000 Let's try this.

01:00:02.000 A man is standing in the middle of a barren planet where nothing exists.

01:00:06.000 Is he being oppressed?

01:00:08.000 On the other side of the planet, a corporation emerges that's producing food and water.

01:00:08.000 No.

01:00:12.000 Is he being oppressed?

01:00:14.000 Not this.

01:00:15.000 Okay, he's very hungry, and the corporation says, okay.

01:00:18.000 Well, because we're the only source of food and water, you can work for us and we'll give you food and water.

01:00:22.000 Is he being oppressed?

01:00:25.000 No, not at this face value of the situation.

01:00:27.000 No, but like, how did the corporation get the water?

01:00:28.000 Was it his old river that they now.

01:00:30.000 No.

01:00:30.000 Like, I don't know.

01:00:32.000 He walked up to them, stood next to the factory, and said, I deserve that water you've got.

01:00:37.000 And they went, No, it's ours.

01:00:39.000 We built this.

01:00:39.000 And he goes, I'm being oppressed by you.

01:00:41.000 That's your argument.

01:00:42.000 The existence of luxury is not oppression of the impoverished.

01:00:47.000 This is communism.

01:00:48.000 Communists look at a factory and say, I should own that.

01:00:51.000 Well, no, you had nothing to do with its creation or production.

01:00:54.000 You don't work there.

01:00:55.000 They work, they produce things.

01:00:56.000 You don't get to just have it.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, well, they're offering me some money for labor. 0.81

01:01:01.000 That's oppression. 0.97

01:01:03.000 Just say no.

01:01:04.000 Well, no, because I need food.

01:01:05.000 Then go find food somewhere else.

01:01:07.000 I can't.

01:01:08.000 Sounds like that's a you problem.

01:01:10.000 If you were in the middle of the woods and there was no corporation around, you're not being oppressed.

01:01:13.000 But the moment someone starts fishing and catches fish, you deserve it?

01:01:16.000 No, it's like not the moment it happens, but if you're born, say, factory towns, you're familiar with what those are?

01:01:22.000 Corporate towns, they would set up little towns and then they'd pay them with corporate scrip, and the person would only buy food from the company stores.

01:01:29.000 They'll leave.

01:01:30.000 Well, that wasn't that easy for people when they're desperate.

01:01:32.000 Neither is surviving in the wilderness.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, I know, but that's why we.

01:01:36.000 It's not anyone else's responsibility.

01:01:38.000 We, the people, have created a system to protect ourselves from predatory advancements from corporations, from governments, from foreigners.

01:01:46.000 So, again, do you understand the idea that if there is no factory or corporation, You are not being oppressed, and the existence of it does not oppress you.

01:01:56.000 Well, it might.

01:01:57.000 You can leave.

01:02:00.000 That's easy to say, dude.

01:02:02.000 It's easy to say live in the woods and be naked, right?

01:02:04.000 Yeah, it's easy to say that.

01:02:06.000 Would you die, Ian, if you were left in the woods naked with no supplies?

01:02:09.000 Yeah, maybe, probably.

01:02:10.000 Well, why don't you leave?

01:02:11.000 Because it's hard?

01:02:12.000 Well, you have no choice.

01:02:13.000 You better do it, otherwise, you're going to die.

01:02:15.000 Why is the existence of someone else's stuff all of a sudden something you're entitled to?

01:02:19.000 It's not.

01:02:20.000 Well, first of all, if someone licensed my personality, it's my stuff that they're trying to take.

01:02:24.000 But if you sold it.

01:02:25.000 What? 1.00

01:02:26.000 So, all those farmlands is back to that same stupid cyclical argument. 1.00

01:02:29.000 All those American farmlands that are owned by Chinese, that's just, you're cool with it. 1.00

01:02:34.000 No, that's a different subject. 1.00

01:02:35.000 How?

01:02:37.000 It's kind of the same subject.

01:02:38.000 It's not.

01:02:39.000 Corporation legally bought a piece of thing.

01:02:40.000 Sure did.

01:02:41.000 And then at certain scale becomes a threat to national security.

01:02:43.000 Exactly.

01:02:44.000 At certain scale is the problem.

01:02:45.000 That's where I'm going.

01:02:46.000 It's not about IP, it's about the scale of IP.

01:02:49.000 We have an adversary purchasing farmland next to our military installations to spy on our military, and it's different from a guy buying a farmland.

01:02:56.000 But if a food.

01:02:57.000 If BlackRock bought the personas of every American citizen on birth somehow, that would be something that's like a scale I'm not comfortable with IP.

01:03:06.000 Don't get money, that's not how IP law works.

01:03:08.000 You can't do that.

01:03:11.000 I don't know, man.

01:03:12.000 We have, what are they called?

01:03:15.000 Those freaking numbers, social security numbers, like they can put you in the system as part of it.

01:03:20.000 You're in the system. 0.82

01:03:21.000 Let's jump to the story from Real Clear Politics.

01:03:23.000 Carville to Democrats, expand the Supreme Court, make Puerto Rico and D.C. states.

01:03:29.000 Don't talk about it, just do it.

01:03:31.000 On the Politics War Room podcast, Carville encouraged Democrats to make Puerto Rico state, expand the Supreme Court to 13 seats if they win.

01:03:40.000 This is the gameplay for a permanent one party state.

01:03:45.000 Carville is telling Democrats to do it.

01:03:47.000 I got to be honest, I think they will.

01:03:47.000 And you know what?

01:03:49.000 I think, given the opportunity, Democrats absolutely will pack the court.

01:03:53.000 I think there may be some squishy Democrats who get in the way.

01:03:57.000 We saw that with Manchin and Cinema last time.

01:03:59.000 However, they're not around anymore.

01:04:02.000 At least Cinema's still around, right?

01:04:05.000 No, she's gone.

01:04:06.000 She's gone, yeah.

01:04:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:08.000 I thought so.

01:04:09.000 It's Gallego and Buzz Lightyear.

01:04:11.000 Buzz Lightyear, that's right.

01:04:12.000 So, rolling a dice, what do you think is the probability that Democrats are going to just take everything over and Republicans are wiped out forever?

01:04:18.000 It's very high because, I mean, like, here's the difference.

01:04:20.000 You know, people always make this distinction.

01:04:21.000 It's very true. 1.00

01:04:23.000 The Republicans are retarded broadly, and then the Democrats are evil. 0.99

01:04:26.000 And I think that is, again, when you look at these types of things, it's true because Republicans will like throw out these grand ideas all the time, and it never actually manifests into policy or it rarely does. 0.98

01:04:34.000 It only happens to the executive, like in Trump's second term.

01:04:37.000 I mean, any idea that Congress has thrown out there, like the Save Act, is dead.

01:04:41.000 So it never happens.

01:04:42.000 The Democrats, on the other hand, like when they propose ideas, they do it with the full intent of delivering on that proposition.

01:04:50.000 So again, Carvelt, you know, some people are hand waving in this way, and they're saying, well, you know, he's like a, you know, advisor that's kind of on the Fringes of the Democrat Party, as far as like he's not anywhere close to the power structure.

01:05:00.000 But I actually don't know because, again, I think he's a good thermometer for what the mood of the base is in the Democrat Party.

01:05:07.000 And I think the Democrat Party going into 2028 really has no appetite to moderate at the moment.

01:05:11.000 Like, I know on the conservative media, we're like, oh, Gavin Newsom's a shoe in.

01:05:15.000 But I'm like, hang on, hang on.

01:05:16.000 If you look at what Democrats are saying, again, normie Democrats are saying, they're all saying the exact same thing.

01:05:22.000 They're all saying Trump's second term is a fascist takeover of the United States and we need to respond.

01:05:26.000 We need to meet fire with fire.

01:05:28.000 Fight fire with fire in this instance and actually go back at them and ensure that this can never happen again.

01:05:33.000 They're saying during Trump, too, is this can never happen again.

01:05:36.000 And how do you do that?

01:05:37.000 You just game the system.

01:05:38.000 I'd predict Democrats are going to win bigly and continually because every time Republicans win, they just don't do anything.

01:05:46.000 We've got Republicans, the Republicans are in Senate and in the House, and they just aren't doing anything.

01:05:52.000 Save Act is widely popular and they're just going, yeah, yeah, literally.

01:05:56.000 They just don't have the willpower, I think, for a variety of reasons.

01:05:58.000 No, I think they're in on it.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I think for a variety of reasons.

01:06:01.000 I mean, the main one I would say is they've bought into sort of the principles of proper governance, and they don't actually realize that we're sort of in a civilizational battle at the moment.

01:06:10.000 They don't really, when they saw the Charlie Kirk thing happen, they just went, wow, that's sad.

01:06:14.000 You know, things happen.

01:06:16.000 The reaction from all of us in the commentariat and the reaction from the base and really everyone on the right was, oh my gosh, they want to do that to us too.

01:06:22.000 He was just in the way.

01:06:23.000 Guys, do something.

01:06:24.000 And Republicans were like, and Congress were like, wow, that's just a really tragic thing.

01:06:28.000 You know, bad things tend to happen sometimes just spontaneously.

01:06:31.000 Anyway, We can't repeal the blue slips because they're part of our government.

01:06:37.000 We've been using them for decades.

01:06:38.000 They don't see things in the same way we're seeing things, like, oh my gosh, we're on the precipice of Brazil or South Africa, do something.

01:06:45.000 They see things as, I've made it to this point and I'm going to make sure that I hold up this form of proper governance and democracy and this beautiful republic and that.

01:06:55.000 So they don't realize how dire things are.

01:06:57.000 I have a question for you guys.

01:06:58.000 If it were such that humanity would be destroyed and wiped out through war, conflict, or otherwise, definitively, 100%.

01:07:05.000 Like someone came to you and said, Look at this irrefutable proof.

01:07:09.000 You looked at it and you were like, Oh my God, the earth will be destroyed in one year.

01:07:15.000 And they said, here's the only solution.

01:07:16.000 And you looked at it and said, wow, that is definitively the only solution.

01:07:20.000 But that solution was totalitarian government.

01:07:22.000 Would you allow it?

01:07:24.000 Yeah.

01:07:25.000 I guess.

01:07:26.000 I mean, yeah.

01:07:26.000 Yeah.

01:07:28.000 So.

01:07:29.000 What if that's what is going on politically?

01:07:32.000 And I'm not saying just of the Democrats.

01:07:32.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 I'm saying the political machinations are largely that for some reason they're like, we're going to have World War III, nuclear annihilation.

01:07:41.000 Here's the only way to avert it.

01:07:42.000 And that means the media is going to be full of lies and manipulations and narrative control.

01:07:47.000 Otherwise, the people are going to just massacre each other and the world ends.

01:07:51.000 I think that's the thought process.

01:07:53.000 I'm still a chaotic nightmare.

01:07:56.000 You need chaos, dude.

01:07:58.000 You have to be able to break the order.

01:08:00.000 I understand chaos is terrible.

01:08:02.000 Real chaos is one of the most horrible things we could ever face as an animal.

01:08:07.000 But totalitarian and evil order is genocide in a can.

01:08:14.000 You can't do it.

01:08:15.000 You need to be able to break systems when they go evil by corrupting them with chaos.

01:08:19.000 So that's where I disagree with the ordered technocrats.

01:08:26.000 But that's why our American system is so great because you can vote in new people that corrupt the system.

01:08:30.000 You can change the laws and repeal the laws which corrupt the system internally without destroying it.

01:08:35.000 It's like a self corruptible system.

01:08:37.000 Well, yeah.

01:08:37.000 I mean, that's kind of the, I guess what a lot of people point out the fault with democracy is that it works really well when the government is broadly benevolent or broadly accountable to the people.

01:08:47.000 But then as soon as there's that incentive structure, right, is broken, as soon as there's a block in between the government, how they operate, and then the voters, right, like the people, then that's when you end up in these situations where you effectively have an autocracy, but then you don't actually have.

01:09:01.000 Any leverage you can pull to get rid of it.

01:09:03.000 I mean, like, you know, you had these throughout Europe, throughout, you know, for centuries, I mean, you would have like massive upheaval, you know, you would have these kings overthrown and these sorts of things.

01:09:11.000 And that was recourse that was actually fairly accessible.

01:09:13.000 Like, it would take very small militias to go in and just, you know, topple a government, where now it's basically impossible.

01:09:18.000 People can't organize, people can't really do anything.

01:09:20.000 The only recourse you have is at the ballot box.

01:09:22.000 But when you're locked in a two party system, or even in Europe, we have parliamentary systems, but that's dominated, you know, primarily by like neoliberals, you don't really have any recourse. 0.57

01:09:30.000 There's not really any options you do have.

01:09:32.000 The best you can do is, again, push the party that is, Broadly similar to your ideology, and then push them in the direction that you want them to go.

01:09:40.000 That's what we've seen with Trump.

01:09:41.000 You know, you had people outflanking the Republican Party on the right by and large.

01:09:46.000 And so when Trump came along, they're like, okay, finally, this is a chance to sort of reform the Republican Party.

01:09:50.000 And I think the Democrats are in that moment right now, where I think the Democrats are outflanking their establishment to the left and they want to push the Democrat Party to the left.

01:09:57.000 So you're going to see that play out in the next primary cycle because that's the only recourse you have.

01:10:02.000 You know, the reason I asked this question is that Democrats, that's what they think.

01:10:08.000 They think democracy is over. 0.99

01:10:10.000 Trump's a fascist dictator. 0.92

01:10:12.000 We must do whatever it takes to protect humanity from being destroyed by Donald Trump. 0.97

01:10:17.000 And if that means stealing elections, if that means redistricting in Virginia, if that means arresting anybody in our path or even blowing up Tesla facilities, they will do it.

01:10:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:10:26.000 I mean, they literally say it all the time.

01:10:28.000 They say it out loud.

01:10:29.000 And they have a particular issue with Trump.

01:10:31.000 The reason why Trump draws so much ire is because he disturbed the status quo by and large.

01:10:36.000 You know, people can argue, like, how effective has he been at disrupting the status quo?

01:10:40.000 I'd say, Quite effective.

01:10:42.000 But that's why he draws the most ire from the Democrat Party is not because he's the most radical, not because he's the most, you know, out of the box or unorthodox, but it's because he's the most effective way.

01:10:51.000 He's been the most effective vehicle thus far in disrupting the status quo.

01:10:56.000 And so now they're reacting.

01:10:58.000 Now they're saying, oh my gosh, we got to extinguish this fire.

01:11:02.000 What's the phrase that's like, you're going to kill a squirrel with a bazooka?

01:11:05.000 That's basically what they're going to do here.

01:11:06.000 Is they're going to essentially.

01:11:08.000 Hold on.

01:11:09.000 That sounds pretty fun.

01:11:10.000 Yeah, that would be pretty.

01:11:11.000 Now, only if it's a bad squirrel, like a rabid one or something, you know, you don't want to be just killing them.

01:11:14.000 And it's Fortunately, in this regard, we're talking about Western civilization.

01:11:18.000 The squirrel or the bazooka?

01:11:20.000 The squirrel is Western civilization.

01:11:22.000 It's on the line here.

01:11:23.000 Well, I guess that would be the stakes, would be Western civilization. 0.89

01:11:26.000 I guess Trump would be the squirrel.

01:11:27.000 Like if you had, like, a, you know, groundhogs are, they, I got to be careful here.

01:11:31.000 So make sure you fact check this one.

01:11:33.000 But I was told by a local that you're required to kill groundhogs.

01:11:36.000 Really?

01:11:37.000 Because they're nuisances that destroy the foundations near buildings and like that, like when they dig.

01:11:42.000 I was told the same thing, actually.

01:11:43.000 Yeah, like, hole digging and stuff.

01:11:45.000 Yup, you can't just move them. 1.00

01:11:47.000 They have to be killed.

01:11:48.000 And, you know, if you had no choice and you're on a large enough property, I mean, a bazooka would be the most fun way to make it. 0.98

01:11:54.000 Yeah, but then it takes out your whole property.

01:11:56.000 And, like, in this instance, the Democrat Party perceives Trump as a nuisance.

01:11:59.000 And so they're going to take out the whole company.

01:12:01.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 The guys at the gun shop told me to buy 17 Super Mag.

01:12:04.000 And I said, well, why?

01:12:05.000 And they were like, well, that's what it's for.

01:12:07.000 You know, and I was like, what'll it do?

01:12:09.000 And it was like, turn them into pink mist.

01:12:10.000 And I was like, oh, that sounds horrible.

01:12:14.000 Yeah.

01:12:17.000 That's my concern, Tate, is that.

01:12:19.000 The people have been radicalized, whether to become one of Trump's acolytes or to be one of his haters, to the point where they will throw away the American Republic to try and defeat a perceived enemy.

01:12:31.000 And whether that enemy is real or not, they're willing to.

01:12:35.000 That's so crazy because that would be the obvious way to destroy the United States is to get the people to turn on each other.

01:12:40.000 Well, you have to look at like going through the Obama era into the beginning of the Trump era is like we, I think the American people by and large realize there is a systematic issue.

01:12:49.000 Something needs to change.

01:12:50.000 Something needs to give here.

01:12:51.000 So I actually almost sympathize with the far left because they're seeing the same thing I'm seeing, which is the very basic fact that yes, this is broken.

01:12:59.000 Yes, this isn't working.

01:13:00.000 Now, obviously, their applications are completely out of line and they would probably get me out of the, you know, get rid of me if they had the option.

01:13:06.000 But at least I can concede that.

01:13:08.000 Okay, they've also seen the same thing that I'm seeing, which is we need a radical change in this country.

01:13:12.000 We need a new paradigm.

01:13:13.000 Sort of.

01:13:13.000 Wait, wait, real quick.

01:13:14.000 I had it mixed up.

01:13:14.000 Fact check.

01:13:15.000 It's raccoons, not groundhogs.

01:13:16.000 Oh, okay.

01:13:17.000 That makes sense.

01:13:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:19.000 We were warned about raccoons for foundations and trees and stuff, but they can be relocated with certain permissions.

01:13:26.000 Raccoons, on the other hand, yeah, it's got to be humanely dispatched, it says.

01:13:33.000 Humanely.

01:13:33.000 Man, those things.

01:13:35.000 Fearless.

01:13:36.000 I want to love them, but they're bandits.

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:39.000 But well, they're rabies vectors, yeah.

01:13:39.000 Yeah.

01:13:42.000 You, I mean, like you know, like I said, going into the Trump era, you had mass migration on you know, basically unfettered for 50, 60 years.

01:13:48.000 That's going to put a lot of pressure on the markets, put a lot of pressure on people's livelihoods.

01:13:52.000 I mean, you saw purchasing power has declined slightly, but if you look at some metrics like the housing market, I mean, the housing is completely detached from earnings, from real wages.

01:14:01.000 So housing has gone up exponentially, and that's like the number one thing people are going to need.

01:14:05.000 That's the number one thing where someone can measure how well they've done in life is like, what's their house like?

01:14:09.000 Is their house pleasant?

01:14:10.000 They have a pleasant environment.

01:14:11.000 That's how you determine how well you're doing in life, that's sort of the score.

01:14:14.000 Is like, oh, my environment's quite pleasant.

01:14:16.000 That means I'm doing fairly well for myself.

01:14:17.000 And so people go crazy when you sort of eliminate obvious indicators of their prosperity.

01:14:22.000 And that's the number one, as I see it.

01:14:24.000 I align with the far left's diagnosis of the problem, which is the corporatocracy.

01:14:29.000 But that's about it.

01:14:32.000 I'm not a communist.

01:14:33.000 I understand that property rights are super important. 0.71

01:14:35.000 Because corporatocracy is communist fake nonsense.

01:14:38.000 Corporatocracy is where the corporation takes the property, they want to own it.

01:14:42.000 So it's kind of like a communist.

01:14:43.000 What do you mean, take it by force?

01:14:44.000 Buy it legally.

01:14:45.000 They get the government to make it legal to buy, and then they buy it.

01:14:45.000 Oh, buy it.

01:14:48.000 So, they buy property and they're like, hey, we did it legally.

01:14:51.000 Therefore, it's ethical.

01:14:52.000 And you're like, oh, wait, no, there is the mistake.

01:14:54.000 The issue with that is like, I agree.

01:14:56.000 I mean, there is some degree of like, you know, cronyism has like decimated a lot of aspects of like American life.

01:15:02.000 But you're always going to have an elite.

01:15:03.000 Like in every society, every civilization, there's always an elite.

01:15:06.000 There's nothing you can do about that.

01:15:07.000 So, when you adopt the framing of like, it's us versus the elite, the problem is that like we'll naturally push you into Marxism.

01:15:13.000 Just again, because that's going to be the inherent conclusion of, well, how do I flatten this hierarchy?

01:15:18.000 There's a hierarchy.

01:15:18.000 Right?

01:15:19.000 Some people are elite and some people aren't.

01:15:21.000 How do I flatten?

01:15:22.000 How do I make everyone equal in this sense?

01:15:24.000 And that's going to naturally, you're naturally going to end up with Marxism.

01:15:27.000 Because the other idea is you become so wealthy that you become elite.

01:15:31.000 But then Kanye West, for instance, says you get to a point and then the people that actually own and run the banks ice you out.

01:15:37.000 And you're like, you're not one of us.

01:15:39.000 You're not getting beyond 80 billion.

01:15:41.000 Yeah.

01:15:41.000 That's it.

01:15:42.000 I mean, that's kind of the problem is like, okay, how rigid is the elite?

01:15:42.000 Yeah.

01:15:45.000 Like, can people move up and out and move in?

01:15:48.000 I mean, you see these like legacy families like the Vanderbilt.

01:15:50.000 I mean, the descendants of the Vanderbilt.

01:15:52.000 When Anderson Cooper was born, I mean, he's part of the Vanderbilt family, but they really didn't have that much going for it.

01:15:56.000 So he kind of like is the first Vanderbilt to like truly be.

01:15:58.000 Look at the Kennedys.

01:15:59.000 I mean, like three, four generations.

01:16:00.000 I mean, yeah.

01:16:01.000 Anderson Cooper, he did an internship with the CIA for a couple of years, then just became a prominent personality in American mainstream media where he's on every single night and has been for 20 years.

01:16:10.000 But I mean, as far as like him inheriting that like Vanderbilt wealth, like it didn't really happen.

01:16:13.000 So, like, we used to have, I'm saying this as examples, we used to have a system where actually there was a lot of churn in the elite and that was kind of a very natural thing.

01:16:20.000 That was a very good thing.

01:16:21.000 Where now I do, I do see what you're saying is like there is a lot more rigidity.

01:16:24.000 And the elite, this is a truly elite class in America, and that does indicate some issues.

01:16:28.000 Ian, I have an offer for you.

01:16:31.000 I will buy 10 acres, you know, you can live on it.

01:16:36.000 There will be no housing, no structures, no power, nothing, and you will be free and you'll be bothered by no one.

01:16:42.000 Would you like that opportunity?

01:16:44.000 No.

01:16:44.000 Why not?

01:16:44.000 I mean, it sounds deadly.

01:16:47.000 What's deadly about it?

01:16:48.000 What do you mean?

01:16:49.000 Without shelter.

01:16:49.000 Life is your responsibility.

01:16:50.000 So build shelter?

01:16:51.000 I'm getting my basic needs.

01:16:52.000 I got to focus on my basic needs first.

01:16:53.000 Yes, so build a shelter.

01:16:54.000 That's your responsibility.

01:16:57.000 Build the shelter.

01:16:58.000 Yeah, like every other human being for 30,000 years did.

01:17:02.000 Take me some time.

01:17:03.000 So, how would you expect to have shelter then if you don't put it together?

01:17:08.000 So, I could either find one that's already constructed or pay someone to help me or just give it to someone.

01:17:12.000 No, you can't pay someone.

01:17:13.000 They'd be oppressing you.

01:17:14.000 What's that?

01:17:15.000 I mean, you're desperate for shelter, right?

01:17:17.000 Well, I mean, I'm not at the moment.

01:17:19.000 If I was, it might be a different argument.

01:17:21.000 Yeah, you need shelter.

01:17:23.000 If you were outside and heading to home, would you be desperate for shelter?

01:17:26.000 Yeah, probably, yeah.

01:17:27.000 But if you'd have to give away your money to somebody in exchange for that shelter, they would be oppressing you.

01:17:33.000 It depends on how.

01:17:35.000 They come to you and they say, I own a building.

01:17:36.000 You can live in it, but you got to give me stuff.

01:17:38.000 Like if there was a piece of river land that someone owned and that's the water source, and he's like, Hey, you can all live on my property, but I get access to your firstborn child.

01:17:47.000 People would be like, We're going to revolt against that guy.

01:17:49.000 Yeah, firstborn child. 0.93

01:17:50.000 That's human trafficking. 1.00

01:17:51.000 That's a crime.

01:17:52.000 Yeah, like if the corporate owner starts to do insane stuff, whether legal or not.

01:17:55.000 That's called crimes.

01:17:57.000 Whether it's legal or not, when it's insane, that's when the people might say this is unethical and they might rise up against the owner.

01:18:03.000 The problem we have, I think, largely.

01:18:06.000 Is the insistence among many lower-ordered thinkers that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor.

01:18:13.000 That is the modern condition.

01:18:13.000 I don't know if entitled is the right word.

01:18:15.000 It's like some things you have to have to survive.

01:18:17.000 And if anybody, through threat of force or whatever, prevents you from it, like some of the basics, you know, if you're prevented from clean water, who's preventing you from going to Nestle just bought a bunch of water sources?

01:18:29.000 So, like, if a corporation's like, look, you have to play our game to drink our water, you're like, come on, at some point.

01:18:35.000 I own private water.

01:18:37.000 Well, that could become a very dangerous scale.

01:18:39.000 Should I be allowed to own the water on the property?

01:18:42.000 Or should someone be allowed to come and take it from me because they're a person who needs water?

01:18:52.000 I guess, you know, that piece of land, I don't know how it works exactly.

01:18:55.000 You have a piece of a river that flows off property?

01:18:58.000 Yes.

01:18:59.000 There's a creek that runs on this property, and we have a creek that drains into a pond on the property, and I own the land.

01:19:06.000 So that water is mine.

01:19:07.000 I assume you can't, there are things you can't do, even though it's water.

01:19:10.000 Indeed, there are crimes.

01:19:10.000 I can't like dump oil into it because it flows off site.

01:19:13.000 But I can trench the creek and make a pool.

01:19:13.000 Right.

01:19:17.000 You can dam it up completely?

01:19:19.000 I don't know that you can dam it completely.

01:19:21.000 We could trench it and then create a pool so the water fills it up, and then it keeps flowing.

01:19:25.000 And then we have a body of water on the property.

01:19:27.000 There's limitations of how you can handle it because it's water.

01:19:30.000 If it was like rocks, if you bought rocks on your property, no one's going to make all these things.

01:19:34.000 We have an aquifer.

01:19:35.000 But if it was like a not a basic need thing, like it wasn't water, I think that that would be a good idea.

01:19:42.000 So, how about our groundwater?

01:19:45.000 We have a well pump that pulls the aquifer we own.

01:19:48.000 It is part of the land and we have access to it.

01:19:49.000 Beneath that, there's mineral rights.

01:19:50.000 I think we own that too, actually.

01:19:52.000 Sometimes they're separate.

01:19:53.000 Surface rights and mineral rights could be different.

01:19:55.000 There's not really any minerals in West Virginia, at least in this area.

01:19:57.000 So, typically people still retain their mineral rights.

01:20:00.000 If somebody was like, I am thirsty, you must give me access to your well.

01:20:04.000 Should I be like, okay, you can come onto my private land?

01:20:07.000 You have to be able to.

01:20:08.000 No, but if there was no water in the 10 mile radius, then yes.

01:20:13.000 Then, so if I move out to the middle of a desert where there's no human beings and there is a small plot of land with a water source and nobody's there at all, right?

01:20:24.000 So I file the registration and I say, we're going to be setting up a little factory here.

01:20:28.000 There's no one around for miles.

01:20:29.000 Now, with this factory, I'm producing some food and farming from that water.

01:20:34.000 People start showing up because there's food and water, and they go, I deserve that.

01:20:37.000 Should I have to give it to them?

01:20:38.000 Well, they're going to say, I need that.

01:20:40.000 Indeed.

01:20:41.000 And my response is, go somewhere else.

01:20:43.000 Why did you come here?

01:20:44.000 To work at your factory?

01:20:45.000 No, they just started showing up and they said, hey, look, there's water here.

01:20:49.000 Let's come to this guy's place now that he's producing food and he's got water.

01:20:52.000 Well, that's different than if there's a community there and you own the water source and there's people living there and working there.

01:20:58.000 You have kind of a right and a duty to protect and supply the water to the people.

01:21:02.000 Like they come and the city voluntarily sells the rights to an aquifer to a company?

01:21:02.000 What does that mean?

01:21:08.000 I don't know why it happens.

01:21:10.000 I don't know why a corporation would ever own a water source.

01:21:12.000 It's crazy.

01:21:13.000 I am a corporation that owns a water source.

01:21:15.000 You own land, but.

01:21:15.000 What are you talking about?

01:21:17.000 My corporation owns land, and that land controls a water source.

01:21:22.000 Because I want to protect my right to that water.

01:21:25.000 We chose land with water on it specifically so that me and my family and the people who work here could have water if we ever needed it.

01:21:31.000 So we intentionally said we want access to water if we're going to buy land for emergencies.

01:21:36.000 Control.

01:21:36.000 Now, if there's an emergency, strange people can show up with guns and be like, nope, it's our water now.

01:21:42.000 Certainly they can try.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, right.

01:21:43.000 I mean, but that's, I know.

01:21:46.000 Now, if they came out on the door and said we would be willing to trade for you for access to your water because we're desperate, I'd say absolutely.

01:21:52.000 Yeah, there's different scenarios for how you would handle water sources, I suppose.

01:21:57.000 Because their needs, it's such a basic need.

01:22:00.000 This is the debate Jay Dyer was having here.

01:22:02.000 I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it was effectively that if a company goes to the middle of nowhere, invests money, brings in supplies, and builds a company town, it's communism now.

01:22:13.000 And it's like, in the most technical of senses, sure, but it's all voluntary.

01:22:18.000 You choose to come and work for the company town, and if at any point you don't want to, you can just pack up and leave.

01:22:23.000 The response from communists about the United States is that it's too hard to live any other way.

01:22:28.000 Well, I agree.

01:22:29.000 It is certainly easier to work as a cashier at McDonald's than it is to forage in the woods and build shelter and survive in the wilderness.

01:22:37.000 So you can make the choice.

01:22:39.000 Then many people say, well, it's no choice because, you know, if you go, they'll arrest you.

01:22:43.000 Bro, I am telling you, there are a lot of homeless people that choose to be homeless and they are taken care of and they get free stuff.

01:22:47.000 Like, you don't have to do anything in the society.

01:22:50.000 So you can make a choice.

01:22:52.000 Kind of speaking about the Chinese model, I just saw a story today that I don't know how many tens of thousands of people are homeless because they failed their social credit score.

01:22:59.000 They said the wrong words online, so they lost access to their bank and now they live on the street.

01:23:03.000 I got a question.

01:23:04.000 All by choice, they could always leave, but like, can they?

01:23:06.000 Yes.

01:23:06.000 I don't know.

01:23:07.000 Leave China?

01:23:08.000 I don't know how much. 1.00

01:23:08.000 No, they can go to the wilderness. 1.00

01:23:09.000 I have a question for you. 0.99

01:23:10.000 In China, go to the wilderness? 1.00

01:23:11.000 I mean, that's just doing it to their population.

01:23:13.000 So, with deer population, we know that when deer population reach environmental equilibrium, they all suffer.

01:23:20.000 That is, the deer eat all available food until there's not enough food yet for the entire population.

01:23:26.000 They become sick and starving and they all suffer.

01:23:29.000 So, what we then say is, the deer need to be culled.

01:23:33.000 We intentionally, as humans, hunt the deer, killing the bucks, so that the food supply can regrow and the deer now have full bellies.

01:23:42.000 So, I suppose the question is understanding this nature of reality, do you believe it is conducive or it is functional for human society to allow those who do not produce enough to survive to be subsidized and reproduce?

01:24:01.000 Me personally? 1.00

01:24:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:02.000 No.

01:24:03.000 What do you think, Tate?

01:24:07.000 Should humans subsidize families and populations that do not have the capability to provide for themselves?

01:24:15.000 I mean, in a vacuum, no, but it's going to be a result of democracy every single time. 0.51

01:24:19.000 Why would a minority group voluntarily sign away their sort of economic?

01:24:23.000 Well, I'm not talking about that. 0.82

01:24:24.000 I'm just saying functionally.

01:24:26.000 Like in a vacuum, yeah.

01:24:28.000 So what do you think?

01:24:29.000 It's kind of what we're doing already.

01:24:31.000 I mean, if you.

01:24:32.000 All right.

01:24:33.000 So you have people that cannot provide enough for themselves to survive.

01:24:38.000 Should the society just provide for them and allow, and there you go.

01:24:42.000 Should they provide for them?

01:24:43.000 I think, like, in instances of like mental handicap or sort of any handicap, like it's justifiable, but that's obviously like an exception, not disproving the norm.

01:24:50.000 And temporary provisions, I understand, like a year and a half of unemployment, stuff like that, but.

01:24:55.000 Well, that's different.

01:24:56.000 That's emergency relief, permanent subsidy.

01:24:58.000 So the end result of subsidization of families, and I don't mean humans, and just in general, of populations that can't produce enough to sustain themselves, is that.

01:25:10.000 You will expand that.

01:25:12.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 So if you have 10 people, five overproduce and five underproduce, so you take from the five to give to them to create equilibrium, they all die.

01:25:23.000 They all suffer.

01:25:24.000 Maybe fighting breaks out. 0.99

01:25:24.000 They're miserable. 0.99

01:25:26.000 Yeah.

01:25:26.000 Now, for us, with technological advancement, we've staved a lot of that off.

01:25:30.000 But now I think it's one of the reasons the Malthusians wanted to curtail population growth and they advocated things like abortion. 0.64

01:25:36.000 There was this post that I was reading about UBI. 0.90

01:25:38.000 I did a video on it talking about how this guy believes that in the future, We will come to realize that advocating for abortion, soft euthanasia, was actually the merciful way to deal with people who are consumers and can't produce for themselves.

01:25:54.000 Outside of any moral issue, there is a question of we know in nature if you subsidize a population that can't sustain itself, you will create a population that becomes destitute and eventually just dies without your assistance.

01:26:06.000 That's why we have signs everywhere saying, do not feed wild animals.

01:26:09.000 We as human civilization intentionally do this.

01:26:13.000 So, we are ever expanding every day the population of people that can't actually survive on their own.

01:26:20.000 And I mean adapting for technology.

01:26:22.000 Like, knowing that life is getting easier and easier every single day, there are people who are a greater and greater detriment, right?

01:26:29.000 Like, the average American right now would not survive a thousand years ago.

01:26:32.000 They just lack the skills to even start a fire.

01:26:35.000 But technology and social cooperation has made it so these people can survive.

01:26:39.000 Adapting to that, there are people who are capable of going and getting a job and providing for the system enough to get an output.

01:26:45.000 There are people today that are still worse than that and can do literal nothing. 0.84

01:26:50.000 Yuval Noah Harari, who works with the World Economic Forum, calls them useless eaters, literally his quote. 0.97

01:26:56.000 Calls these people useless eaters that they consume, they don't produce enough. 0.96

01:27:00.000 Is he wrong? 0.98

01:27:01.000 Well, that's a good question.

01:27:03.000 Is an individual who only consumes through welfare and provides nothing to the system a useful or useless person? 0.87

01:27:09.000 They're not technically useless in totality, but they're relatively useless.

01:27:14.000 They still produce heat.

01:27:15.000 You know, their bodies produce heat.

01:27:17.000 You might be able to get something out of their body.

01:27:18.000 Yeah, line them up on the walls and you'll keep your hallway on the ground.

01:27:21.000 They require food to produce that heat.

01:27:23.000 So you're going to.

01:27:25.000 I want to grab at least one more segment.

01:27:26.000 Let's grab this from AOL.

01:27:28.000 The gay dad has broken his silence over the backlash over him mocking the surrogate baby crying for mama.

01:27:35.000 So you may have seen this video. 0.68

01:27:36.000 I'm sure you did, where the man is holding up the baby and the baby cries for mama.

01:27:40.000 We talked about it last night.

01:27:42.000 I'm going to play.

01:27:43.000 Actually, this is a different video.

01:27:44.000 I want to play that video for you.

01:27:46.000 Let me see if I can pull it up.

01:27:47.000 I pulled the wrong one.

01:27:48.000 Well, let's play this right now, and you can get some context on another video he made.

01:27:53.000 And we'll play this one first.

01:27:54.000 Yeah, you are.

01:27:54.000 Oh, boy.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, because you have a brother.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, and you have a sister.

01:28:05.000 Yeah, and you have two puppies and two dads.

01:28:12.000 Oh.

01:28:13.000 And it just froze on me.

01:28:16.000 Great.

01:28:17.000 That's what happens.

01:28:19.000 The stream is working, but the.

01:28:21.000 Yeah.

01:28:22.000 Thanks, Michael.

01:28:22.000 You're such a happy boy.

01:28:25.000 Yeah, you are.

01:28:26.000 Dads.

01:28:27.000 And now the babies. 0.97

01:28:30.000 Homophobic baby, it says.

01:28:32.000 Here's the video that went viral. 0.90

01:28:40.000 Who do you want?

01:28:42.000 Dada or Pop?

01:28:47.000 Nope.

01:28:49.000 Do you want Dada or Pop?

01:28:53.000 No way, Jose!

01:28:57.000 I think.

01:28:58.000 Oh.

01:29:00.000 There is no mama. 0.97

01:29:03.000 I'm so sorry. 0.89

01:29:04.000 You have Dada and Pop.

01:29:06.000 You have Pop. 1.00

01:29:07.000 Two choices: no mama. 1.00

01:29:11.000 Mama. 1.00

01:29:14.000 No, mama.

01:29:17.000 I implore you all to share that with women in your life because it's radicalizing.

01:29:22.000 And anyway, he responded.

01:29:24.000 He said he shared the clip to be self deprecating as he and Baum found it funny that while most babies find it easier to say dada, their baby went with mama.

01:29:31.000 Okay, so just those that don't know, the reason why babies say dada first is because babies spend more time with their mothers, and mothers make references to dad more often than dads make references to mom.

01:29:40.000 To be fair, it's entirely possible that moms and dads reference each other equally, but as long as the baby is with mom more often, the repetition of mom saying, Where's dad?

01:29:48.000 That's dad.

01:29:49.000 Babies go da, da, da first. 0.76

01:29:51.000 They do say da, da and mama with comparable frequency, slightly leaning towards da, da for that reason.

01:29:58.000 So I think the reason the baby is saying mama is because they were telling it over and over again, No mama, no mama.

01:30:04.000 And so it started repeating what they were saying as they made references to mama.

01:30:08.000 Seeing them laugh and say there's no mama feels cold.

01:30:10.000 And that is an ad commented under the video, while another called McAnally and Baum cold blooded criminals for depriving the child of a motherly bond.

01:30:20.000 Now we've got a couple posts.

01:30:22.000 Matt Walsh responded to the homophobic baby story saying, This story is horrifying.

01:30:27.000 It's also a direct result of the legalization of gay marriage, in quotes.

01:30:31.000 If you're willing to pretend that two men can be married, then there's no reason to object to the equally grotesque farce of two men pretending to be parents. 1.00

01:30:38.000 To which I responded, and I think I have to go back a couple times.

01:30:43.000 No, where's that post?

01:30:44.000 Was it here?

01:30:46.000 I said, two men approach a woman and ask her to become pregnant by one of them, and they will then pay her to take the child from her. 0.87

01:30:53.000 I see no functional difference between this and a woman just offering to sell her child outright. 0.70

01:30:58.000 It's a semantic debate by degenerates that want people to be allowed to sell children and an effort to devalue human life.

01:31:04.000 Now, Brandon Strzok has chimed in, triggering the debate.

01:31:09.000 He said, 3,000 births every year are through surrogacy, and the majority of them are heterosexual couples.

01:31:14.000 Tim, why don't you call out surrogacy in general since you feel so strongly about this?

01:31:17.000 Seems silly to focus on the small pool of gay couples using a surrogate when a much larger swath of people are doing the same thing who aren't gay. 0.53

01:31:22.000 So, what's up with that?

01:31:25.000 My response to Brandon was, What did I say?

01:31:27.000 I do keep up.

01:31:27.000 You're confusing a current news cycle for the scope of my arguments on the issue.

01:31:31.000 To which he responded, But it's only news because they are gay. 0.74

01:31:34.000 If you feel so strongly about this, you should go stick microphones and cameras in the faces of thousands of straight people who are doing the same thing every single day. 0.59

01:31:42.000 Indeed, whoever filmed, there was a viral story where a guy was asking a gay couple with a baby about surrogacy. 0.98

01:31:48.000 And about child molestation, and they started punching him and beating the crap out of him. 0.98

01:31:52.000 And another guy came up and threatened to murder the guy. 0.83

01:31:55.000 And now we're getting many individuals defending him, even people on the right.

01:31:59.000 So I will just say this for Brandon a woman who doesn't want to carry a baby, so she hires another woman to birth that child. 0.96

01:32:09.000 That's wrong. 0.99

01:32:11.000 That's creepy.

01:32:12.000 I don't think it should be allowed. 1.00

01:32:14.000 A woman who cannot bear children on her own and needs assistance to do so, I also think is wrong, but. 1.00

01:32:21.000 As someone who is not a staunch conservative, I'd be willing to make certain exceptions for a woman who wants to have a kid but physically cannot do it. 1.00

01:32:28.000 That's a struggle. 0.94

01:32:30.000 I'm not a big fan of it, but I'm willing to have a debate on the issue. 0.94

01:32:33.000 What about an older woman, like in her 50s or 60s? 0.97

01:32:36.000 Same issue. 1.00

01:32:37.000 I think surrogacy itself is wrong. 1.00

01:32:39.000 I'm only trying to be somewhat compassionate to a woman who would normally do a natural birth but physically cannot for some reason, and she wants to have a child. 0.96

01:32:48.000 The problem is a child grown in the mother is attached to that mother, there's a chemical bond. 0.70

01:32:53.000 The child that nurses off that mother sends chemical signals back and forth.

01:32:57.000 This is all very important for the child's development.

01:32:59.000 So, any individual that pays a woman to give birth and then hand that child over is human trafficking, in my opinion.

01:33:07.000 What about? 0.62

01:33:07.000 And my point is this if a woman gave birth and a gay guy said, I'll give you 20 grand for that baby, that would be a felony. 0.62

01:33:14.000 But if before, right before she gives birth, he says, I'll give you 20 grand for the baby, that's surrogacy? 0.69

01:33:19.000 Or if she gives the baby to an adoption center and then the guy's like, hey, adoption center, I'll give you 20 grand for the baby.

01:33:25.000 It's the same.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, that's just solicitation.

01:33:27.000 That's just a loophole.

01:33:28.000 So, yes, to Brandon Strzok, I think it is all bad. 0.92

01:33:31.000 I think it is substantially worse because, in the instance of many gay surregacies, the female surrogate is actually providing her own eggs, meaning the baby is biologically hers. 0.93

01:33:42.000 Now, it is one million times worse if gay men or anybody goes to a clinic and receives a donated egg and then uses their sperm to fertilize a random woman's egg they purchased. 0.94

01:33:58.000 To be gestated in a different random woman. 0.97

01:34:00.000 Now we're talking man made horrors beyond your comprehension level stuff.

01:34:06.000 Yeah, I mean, that's why it's funny.

01:34:07.000 Like Brandon Strachey is in his bio, former liberal, but he's like regurgitating like left wing boilerplate, which is just hilarious in this instance. 0.94

01:34:13.000 In addition to that, no, it is, yeah, to your point, I believe, yeah, gay adoption or gay surrogacy is significantly worse.

01:34:20.000 I mean, I would broadly be against surrogacy anyway, but no, I'm comfortable saying gay couples, you know, participating in surrogacy is far worse because I do think you do have the right to a father and mother. 0.94

01:34:30.000 This is why when people end up in instances of single parenthood, everyone acknowledges this is not the optimal condition to be raised in. 0.92

01:34:36.000 Everyone can acknowledge, even if it turns out well, like I know this situation very well. 0.96

01:34:40.000 It's still everyone can concede that it is sort of a tragic situation to be in because everyone knows that having a father and a mother will provide the best outcome for the child.

01:34:48.000 And then there's no limiting principle on gay adoption.

01:34:50.000 Okay, if you have gay adoption, why is it just two parents? 0.90

01:34:53.000 That's just arbitrary at that point. 0.95

01:34:54.000 Because the whole purpose of monogamy is saying it's a man and a woman. 0.99

01:34:57.000 With a gay couple, why not? 1.00

01:34:58.000 That means three dads must be even better. 0.99

01:35:00.000 That must mean four dads is even better.

01:35:01.000 Because again, they would acknowledge that a single father is sort of tragic, but two fathers, that's fine.

01:35:06.000 So then why not three fathers?

01:35:07.000 Why not four fathers?

01:35:08.000 What's the limiting principle here?

01:35:09.000 It's just completely arbitrary.

01:35:11.000 You're just completely warping the concept of monogamy, completely warping the sense of, again, a couple, of marriage, of child.

01:35:18.000 Everything about it is just fundamentally broken and it's going to cave in on itself as it already is.

01:35:22.000 This leads to one direction.

01:35:23.000 This leads to one conclusion. 0.95

01:35:25.000 That is, Womb factories, baby factories, they're going to grow human beings in bags. 0.93

01:35:32.000 We are moving towards a society where a woman who wants to be a mother but is a girl boss goes to a facility where they take an egg and the husband's sperm and they say, We will grow the baby for you in this artificial womb. 0.98

01:35:46.000 We will send you progress reports and they'll get emails being like, Oh, baby's growing. 0.96

01:35:50.000 They actually made a movie about this that was really bad because it had no ending and I am sick.

01:35:55.000 I am warning you, Hollywood.

01:35:56.000 If you keep making movies with only two acts, I will come for you. 0.95

01:36:00.000 And fix those movies.

01:36:02.000 But they made a movie and it was about a woman who wants to have a kid, but she has a job she can't leave. 1.00

01:36:07.000 So she buys an artificial womb where they put the fertilized embryo in it.

01:36:11.000 And then you put like food packs on top that the baby then eats and consumes. 0.97

01:36:16.000 That's where we're going.

01:36:17.000 That's the point of all of this.

01:36:19.000 So I will just say in response to my post, Heidi Briones says 90% of surrogacy is gestational, meaning the surrogate is not the biological mother. 0.79

01:36:26.000 I asked, where do gay men get the egg from in gay surrogacy? 0.59

01:36:29.000 Egg donor. 1.00

01:36:31.000 Different woman, like sperm donors from an egg bank. 0.97

01:36:34.000 That's substantially worse. 1.00

01:36:35.000 Yeah.

01:36:36.000 That is like, now I'm just like, okay, ban it all.

01:36:40.000 Like, you're telling me that a guy went to a store and bought some random woman's egg, grew a baby, that baby has no mother, was a different egg born.

01:36:40.000 Just ban it all.

01:36:49.000 Now we're, now we're, holy crap, I am just done with this. 0.78

01:36:52.000 Ban it all. 0.66

01:36:53.000 It seems like adoption. 0.99

01:36:55.000 It seems more like adoption than.

01:36:57.000 No, because adopted kids are still aware that, like, okay, I do have biological parents out there somewhere.

01:36:57.000 No.

01:37:02.000 And the reason that it was surrendered was for like some sort of tragic reason.

01:37:06.000 An emergency, an abusive family, the parents died or passed.

01:37:09.000 This is, we're going to grow a child intentionally in a different woman she's unrelated to and then pay her to hand it over.

01:37:17.000 I think all of these people should be in prison.

01:37:19.000 Yeah, like adoption is a break glass in case of emergency situation.

01:37:22.000 This is like purposely creating the conditions that lead to an adoption without like the prerequisite.

01:37:27.000 We're going designer babies.

01:37:28.000 Like the next step in all of this is going to be like, well, who cares? 0.97

01:37:30.000 We can gene edit the babies.

01:37:32.000 Why not? 1.00

01:37:32.000 Then you're going to have a bunch of weird, like little baby Arnolds walking around. 1.00

01:37:35.000 They're all just ripped.

01:37:36.000 Yeah, it seems weird now, but the generation that grows up with it will be totally cool with it.

01:37:41.000 Then, my fear of what's going to happen is we're going to genetically engineer a bunch of people because we have no, like, look at what they're already doing.

01:37:48.000 An eliminating principle.

01:37:49.000 These people are going to be smarter, faster, and stronger than the average person, which is going to create a threat to governance on the Earth.

01:37:57.000 And we're going to then isolate these people and freeze them and launch them into orbit because we have no idea what else to do.

01:38:02.000 And then, when in 100, 200 years from now, when like a starship is flying through space and they accidentally find these, they're going to open it up and the dude's going to try and take over the world and kill Spock.

01:38:11.000 Oh, that's who that was.

01:38:13.000 That's who that was. 1.00

01:38:13.000 That Cybok, uh, that was Khan. 1.00

01:38:17.000 Yeah, or they'll they're gonna land on Jor-L or whatever that Superman planet was and get superpowers and come back a thousand years later, dude. 0.98

01:38:24.000 I think we're going full designer, baby.

01:38:26.000 Do you think they're gonna create like a super trucker out of this?

01:38:26.000 I'm into it.

01:38:30.000 I'm thinking Elon Musk is like booting up a fetus X startup right now, just populate Mars.

01:38:36.000 Yeah, because you could like optimize for the perfect trucker, you know, like you know, I could see it now, like Jack Lynx, that just like animate, just like they get fired up.

01:38:45.000 Has no arms or legs.

01:38:46.000 He's literally just like mind-boggling with a truck, beef jerky in one end, poop out the other end.

01:38:52.000 I was going to say call it fetus, F-E-T-U-X, but people call it fetus.

01:38:56.000 They wouldn't use the S as silent like Xavier, they feed us.

01:39:00.000 He is very concerned about the underpopulation going forward.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, I know.

01:39:04.000 I'm like, is this how they're going to backstop it when the populist kind of upheaval of the immigration system takes root and then these companies look around?

01:39:11.000 They're like, we still need cheap labor.

01:39:13.000 If we're not careful here, I'm usually hesitant to go to worst-case scenario, but in this instance, I'm like, that actually seems.

01:39:20.000 Pretty realistic, actually, is that again when they start feeling the pinch on labor instead of what paying workers more?

01:39:24.000 No, they're just going to say, Well, let's just spawn people, like let's go to clone army.

01:39:28.000 But what they're going to do is they're going to be like, We're going to design your baby just like you like it, but we're going to own the rights to that baby's persona.

01:39:34.000 And then they're going to gestate it for you.

01:39:35.000 They're going to try and do that anyway.

01:39:36.000 I agree.

01:39:37.000 They're going to create templates like genetic profiles that you'll license and that they'll own the IP to that profile.

01:39:42.000 That's what another reason why I'm like, Dude, this IP's and they will say things like, If you agree to these terms, in the event your baby goes on to be a movie star, we're entitled to 5%.

01:39:50.000 And parents will agree in the long run.

01:39:52.000 If he's an athlete, we're taking 10% of his earnings.

01:39:55.000 They'll be the manager, you know.

01:39:56.000 We'll manage this kid's life and all that.

01:39:58.000 You already saw a little bit during the Olympics some of the stars, if you dug into their background, they were sort of conceived through surrogacy or conceived through surrogacy, sort of like where they could control for parents with the best genetics.

01:40:09.000 I won't say which names, but there were like prominent athletes that were sort of like test tube babies, quite literally selecting for the best genetic traits.

01:40:17.000 Send the video of the baby saying mama to every woman in your life, every single one.

01:40:21.000 And don't provide any context.

01:40:22.000 Don't say you hate these men.

01:40:24.000 Just be like, hey, I want you to, oh, this video, you got to see it.

01:40:28.000 And then see their reaction because I will tell you, as I have shown many women this video, they immediately start welling up.

01:40:34.000 Because they understand.

01:40:34.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 And what I think is for a lot of these, a lot of people defending this, they have no kids.

01:40:41.000 Yeah.

01:40:42.000 The only thing I saw when I watched that video was imagining my daughter crying for mama if something, heaven forbid, happened to my wife and she was no longer around.

01:40:52.000 And someone, like, let's say somehow, you know, Alice and I were out of the picture through some tragedy, knock on wood, and then someone, You know, some guy is with her and she's saying, Mama, and he's laughing, being like, No, Mama, no.

01:41:05.000 I'm just like, The nightmarish reality of that, the horrifying torture for that poor child.

01:41:11.000 The reality is this whether or not that baby actually meant Mama, like I want my mother, sure, make the argument babies don't actually understand what these words mean.

01:41:19.000 We reinforce it.

01:41:20.000 That baby knows what a mom is. 0.96

01:41:23.000 Human babies nurse. 0.95

01:41:25.000 They want to.

01:41:26.000 It is instinctive that the baby is looking for its mother, whatever you think, and it can't find it.

01:41:32.000 It's going to create massive trauma.

01:41:34.000 Yeah.

01:41:34.000 I mean, we're all former babies at this table, I presume, all of us here.

01:41:37.000 Not Ian.

01:41:37.000 He was grown in the lab.

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 I came right out of the box.

01:41:41.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 I'm just like, without my mother, I mean, like, what, two, two, my dad was awesome, but that was because he had my mom to compliment him.

01:41:50.000 If it was like two versions of my dad, I'd be like a train wreck. 1.00

01:41:53.000 How long has gay adoption been around? 1.00

01:41:54.000 Because I, in my early 20s, I had a friend who had two moms and he grew up.

01:41:58.000 To be like, you know, normal, okay guy.

01:42:00.000 Is it different when it's like two women raising a baby versus two guys? 0.56

01:42:03.000 I think the difference is two guys raising the baby.

01:42:06.000 No, actually, two moms that have a slightly better outcome, but it's still marginal, I would still.

01:42:10.000 No, I think the stats are inverted, actually.

01:42:13.000 I think the stats that we see.

01:42:15.000 So the one thing I will say is this a lot of people keep pushing that gay parents who adopt or have surrogates are more likely to molest the children. 0.53

01:42:23.000 I've looked at this.

01:42:24.000 I don't believe those stats bear out.

01:42:26.000 To be fair, they always try to play with the numbers, but it seems to be one for one like molesters are molesters.

01:42:34.000 I think this has to do with the fact that there are people who molest children who were molested, and it does create a cycle. 0.59

01:42:41.000 So many people have this presumption that there's a relation then between two gay married men.

01:42:45.000 Not that I'm saying I'm a fan of it. 1.00

01:42:47.000 However, the stats that I did see show that two women's households are substantially more dysfunctional. 0.98

01:42:54.000 More instances of domestic violence.

01:42:56.000 The highest rates of domestic violence are among lesbian couples, as well as dysfunction for the children, child abuse.

01:43:01.000 Child abuse is higher among lesbian couples than two men or a man and a woman. 0.92

01:43:06.000 Yeah, there was. 1.00

01:43:07.000 At least that's what I saw.

01:43:07.000 I don't know.

01:43:08.000 There was a study through the University of Texas, and they tracked the outcomes of like 3,000 children in these environments.

01:43:12.000 And it was like the children of lesbian couples had welfare participation rates that's like 70% versus 17% from the control group.

01:43:19.000 The gay fathers actually was lower. 0.85

01:43:21.000 So that may be true that actually gay fathers, maybe that you would have a better result. 0.52

01:43:25.000 But again, compared to heterosexuals, it's just like not even comparable.

01:43:28.000 Is there any evidence about dysfunctionality coming from surrogacy with like a man and a woman as the parent?

01:43:32.000 The thing is, the surrogacy thing is so new that it's going to be a while before we see the results.

01:43:36.000 I would imagine like crazy mental illnesses because you do see sort of examples of that.

01:43:41.000 But at least like the data is coming in now where initially people were like, see, they're the same. 0.53

01:43:45.000 It's like because we're looking at eight year olds.

01:43:47.000 Like, of course, eight year olds are similar.

01:43:49.000 Don't women who have gestational surrogacy have to take a bunch of drugs to prevent rejection?

01:43:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.85

01:43:54.000 That's a big problem. 0.91

01:43:55.000 It's like heavily dependent on pharmaceuticals.

01:43:57.000 And then I was even seeing like postpartum, the postpartum depression and that sort of thing among surrogate mothers is like insane. 0.90

01:44:05.000 Like, I mean, it's really grim. 0.91

01:44:06.000 I don't even want to get into it because it's disturbing, but it's like the postpartum disorders that would come from a woman who has to surrender her child through surrogacy is mental.

01:44:14.000 You see all these different stories about these women, some of the things they do afterwards, and it's quite horrific.

01:44:18.000 Well, there's also the stories of the women who the gay men wanted her to get an abortion.

01:44:24.000 Remember this one?

01:44:25.000 Yeah.

01:44:26.000 The woman was pregnant, and they said that there was a risk of, you know, like Down syndrome or something.

01:44:30.000 They're like, abort it.

01:44:31.000 And they were like, you have to.

01:44:31.000 And she's like, no.

01:44:32.000 It's ours, and we're requiring you to do it.

01:44:34.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 And I believe she had zero legal recourse either.

01:44:37.000 I think it was like, nope, that's theirs. 1.00

01:44:38.000 I'm curious about these rates of postpartum depression if these women had like children of their own.

01:44:43.000 So I talked to my sister about this years and years ago. 1.00

01:44:46.000 And if like having babies was a job, my sister would be like the LeBron James of having babies for people. 1.00

01:44:51.000 She just, she's one of those women who just loved being pregnant. 1.00

01:44:54.000 She's got four boys of her own. 1.00

01:44:56.000 And she was like, I would be a surrogate in a heartbeat.

01:44:58.000 You know, again, this was like, You know, 10 years ago.

01:45:01.000 It's one thing to say that.

01:45:02.000 It's another to actually go, you know, follow through with that. 0.55

01:45:05.000 But yeah, I'm curious if these are women who, if this was their first child and then they had to give it up versus, you know, they had children before and they're like, oh, here I go again. 1.00

01:45:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:15.000 Yeah.

01:45:15.000 It's, I mean, look, you know, you look at outliers and to like Ian led off with it.

01:45:19.000 I mean, it is tough to like go to a couple who are like struggling with fertility and then just say like, sorry.

01:45:24.000 But I mean, it goes back to when you're, when you're, when you're defining policy, right?

01:45:28.000 When you're like trying to implement policy.

01:45:30.000 You can't make policy based off of exceptions.

01:45:32.000 You have to base policy based on norms. 1.00

01:45:34.000 And I would presume, again, I would have to look at the data, but I presume the majority of surrogacy are for vanity reasons or in situations with their homosexuals. 0.95

01:45:43.000 I would doubt that a lot of them are fertility related, or at least the majority. 0.88

01:45:46.000 I could be wrong there.

01:45:47.000 I'll check afterwards and I'll correct it if that's true, but I would presume it's not the case.

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01:46:12.000 HS Disturbed says, Nobody seems to be talking about this, but what are your thoughts on Virginia's SB 322?

01:46:17.000 The governor just signed, seems highly unconstitutional.

01:46:21.000 How do we fight against dirty tactics like this?

01:46:23.000 I don't know what that is.

01:46:24.000 Are you talking about the gun bill?

01:46:26.000 No, that was the interstate compact, like with the electoral votes.

01:46:29.000 Oh, they just passed that.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:31.000 Wow.

01:46:32.000 Well, see, the issue is. 1.00

01:46:36.000 When you look, Democrats are dumb. 1.00

01:46:39.000 And when you look at the popular vote, you see Democrats tend to win. 0.99

01:46:43.000 So they've been making this argument that we should just, every state that's under this compact, and that way if the popular vote swings Democrat, your state then just votes Democrat.

01:46:54.000 The only problem with that, there are blue states where Republicans won't vote because they feel like it doesn't matter.

01:47:01.000 They say, well, it's 55% Democrat.

01:47:05.000 We're never going to pull that five point swing, so I just stay home.

01:47:09.000 In the event they switch to the national popular vote, in California, for instance, you will see a major uptick of Republican votes.

01:47:17.000 This could actually change the game because there are more reds, there are more Republican voters in blue states than blue state voters in red states.

01:47:24.000 So it could dramatically shift things in favor of Republicans.

01:47:27.000 We just don't know what's going to happen.

01:47:28.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 And the reason that Virginia is like the first one that you're like, whoa, guys, I mean, like there's what, 13 states that are already in it?

01:47:34.000 Hawaii, California.

01:47:35.000 Fairly inconsequential.

01:47:36.000 Oh, yeah. 0.64

01:47:37.000 It might be a little bit higher, but fairly inconsequential if, again, a deep, Blue state joins, but Virginia is a state that teeters on elections.

01:47:43.000 I mean, like Trump came fairly close. 0.54

01:47:45.000 I don't, I believe they didn't even vote for Bill Clinton.

01:47:47.000 I believe they voted for Republicans.

01:47:48.000 So just, just real quick, Virginia's like California would have gone red this time in 2024 because Trump won the popular vote.

01:47:55.000 Yeah.

01:47:55.000 Right.

01:47:56.000 Imagine California going, no, and it being the deciding factor.

01:48:00.000 I know.

01:48:00.000 Yeah.

01:48:01.000 I'm sure that they have some sort of like recourse.

01:48:03.000 There's a, oh, it doesn't count this time.

01:48:05.000 18 states plus DC, giving them 222 out of 538.

01:48:10.000 So they need 48, 40, is it 48?

01:48:16.000 Yeah, 48 more electoral votes to trigger the actual threshold.

01:48:20.000 Well, that's the reason why Virginia is the shocking one because, like, thus far it didn't matter.

01:48:24.000 Because, look, if the Democrats are going to win, or sorry, if the Republicans are going to win the popular vote, they're definitely going to win the electoral college.

01:48:29.000 But now with Virginia, again, that's the first one where it's like Republicans could win Virginia and that could win them the electoral college.

01:48:37.000 But if they lose the popular vote, now the Republicans lose the election.

01:48:40.000 So that's why it's like this is the first one where it's like, holy crap, like, we got to do it.

01:48:44.000 But again, California would have turned red this time around.

01:48:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:47.000 Well, yeah.

01:48:48.000 But like Republicans are good.

01:48:49.000 If they win the popular vote, that means they've won the Electoral College.

01:48:52.000 You will see, yes, but Washington, Oregon, and California, a lot of Republicans just don't vote because they're like, what's the point?

01:49:00.000 It's a 60% blue state.

01:49:02.000 Then you go, well, it's popular vote now.

01:49:04.000 You might actually see the Republican vote jump.

01:49:06.000 And then all of a sudden the blue states are forced red.

01:49:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:08.000 That's, oh, I see what you're saying.

01:49:09.000 No, that's, that's true.

01:49:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:10.000 You would see higher turnouts in like deep blue states.

01:49:12.000 I mean, Hawaii is kind of the most infamous example where it's like so done and dusted for Republicans there that they just don't bother voting.

01:49:18.000 Like, If they participated, if they all came out in numbers, like what the projections would be, it would be a lot closer of a state.

01:49:24.000 I mean, it would still be Democrat.

01:49:25.000 But in a situation where they're like, yeah, we could contribute to the national popular vote tally, they would turn out in quite large numbers.

01:49:31.000 Steele's shattered hand says, I don't want to set the world on fire.

01:49:35.000 I just want to start.

01:49:37.000 He said, sad, but I'm fixing it.

01:49:38.000 A flame in your heart.

01:49:40.000 What he didn't add is that he's lost all ambition for worldly acclaim.

01:49:43.000 He just wants to be the one that you love.

01:49:45.000 And with your admission that you'd feel the same, he'd have reached the goal he's dreaming of.

01:49:50.000 Yeah, you hear those old doo wop songs, and it's like the women must have been a lot better back then because not only would one guy sing about it, but he'd get like four guys to join him to sing about the same woman. 0.87

01:49:59.000 You don't see that anymore. 0.97

01:50:00.000 You just see power ballads, just one guy singing.

01:50:01.000 He doesn't get like his squad to join him and sing about these women.

01:50:04.000 So I don't know, maybe the quality of women has declined on the market.

01:50:06.000 I'm not sure what's going on.

01:50:09.000 The reference, of course, is the intro song from Fallout 3, which is a reference to a nuclear apocalypse.

01:50:15.000 But there's a song from Fallout that I want to play for you guys that, let's just say, you probably can't.

01:50:22.000 You probably can't play on YouTube anymore.

01:50:24.000 I mean, the song's from like the 50s.

01:50:26.000 It's called Civilization, and the lyrics are a lot of fun.

01:50:31.000 I was a big fan of Fallout 2.

01:50:32.000 It was Louis Armstrong, I think.

01:50:36.000 What was that?

01:50:37.000 What a world or something like that?

01:50:38.000 What a wonderful world.

01:50:39.000 What a wonderful world.

01:50:40.000 And then it zooms out and it's Fallout.

01:50:41.000 You're like, oh my God.

01:50:42.000 But it's like playing on an old radio in the beginning.

01:50:45.000 Failing says the F 15 isn't a stealth fighter.

01:50:45.000 Really dark.

01:50:47.000 It's a fourth generation fighter that has been in service since 1976.

01:50:50.000 Fifth generation fighters like the F 22 and F 35 are our stealth fighters.

01:50:53.000 Well, thank you for the correction.

01:50:55.000 It went down and then what?

01:50:56.000 Did Iran get a hold of it?

01:50:57.000 Is that what you were saying earlier?

01:50:59.000 Well, so there were comments about how they should not have been able to track.

01:51:04.000 The F 15 without some kind of ground radar technology or something.

01:51:08.000 I forgot the exact details.

01:51:10.000 And so the presumption is Russia must be providing them with the technology to track US military assets.

01:51:15.000 Indeed.

01:51:18.000 What do we got here?

01:51:18.000 All right.

01:51:20.000 El Jefe Lopez says the media just makes ish up, and Trump is a B to not just start arresting those lying media POS.

01:51:28.000 He can't just arrest journalists for lying.

01:51:28.000 Well, he can't.

01:51:33.000 Thinker for Life says, the longer the straight is closed, the larger the price plummet right before the midterms.

01:51:38.000 That's a good point.

01:51:39.000 What people don't understand is that happiness is relative.

01:51:43.000 So, famously, there was a study that found a lottery winner and a paraplegic one year after their formative moments, either winning lottery or becoming injured, registered the same levels of happiness.

01:51:54.000 Shocking, isn't it?

01:51:55.000 But it's because humans adapt, you have to.

01:51:57.000 And happiness is relative to your current circumstance.

01:52:00.000 If you took a guy from like the year, I don't know, 1300, right? 0.91

01:52:06.000 And let's just say he's like a serf with no family because only I think 40% of men reproduced back then. 0.63

01:52:12.000 And you transported this guy to modern America.

01:52:16.000 Do you think he'd be happy or sad?

01:52:19.000 Well, probably sad at first.

01:52:20.000 And then if he adapts, very happy.

01:52:24.000 He'd be very happy.

01:52:24.000 Like he'd have running water and be like, what is this magic?

01:52:27.000 Yeah, just a hot shower would change him.

01:52:28.000 We all live like kings.

01:52:29.000 He'd freak out and be like, what is this?

01:52:31.000 And someone would be like, here's a cheeseburger.

01:52:33.000 And he'd be like, I'm so hungry and taste it and go, oh, oh, oh, oh. 1.00

01:52:36.000 Kings did not eat so well.

01:52:38.000 Could you imagine what, like, King George would have said if he was given Mac sauce?

01:52:42.000 Yeah, he would have fought a little harder for it.

01:52:44.000 Yeah.

01:52:46.000 Happiness is relative, man.

01:52:48.000 So, you know.

01:52:49.000 Oh, so you think Trump will do some shenanigans right before the midterms and make gas drop in price by 40% and be like, we did it, we did it.

01:52:56.000 And then the votes will come in and then it'll be right back.

01:52:59.000 And then what happens is Trump says, it's like something he can do, which is not out of the question.

01:53:05.000 Right before the midterms, the price plummets due to some executive order.

01:53:09.000 And then he says, look, if the Democrats get in, they're going to reverse this and make gas go way up, way up.

01:53:14.000 You got the Republicans are going to keep it.

01:53:16.000 Then all the Republicans come out and say, we're making gas cheaper.

01:53:19.000 We're dropping your prices.

01:53:20.000 Democrats are going to go, they're lying, they're lying.

01:53:22.000 And they're going to say, well, what are you going to pick?

01:53:25.000 Yeah.

01:53:25.000 Just repeal the gas tax at the end of October because it'll take like a couple months before the court's going to correct.

01:53:30.000 And then what's going to happen is people are going to say, I mean, the Republicans are probably lying, but I'll flip a coin on whether or not they're lying.

01:53:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:36.000 Like, look, I don't know what Democrats are going to do, but Republicans are claiming they'll do it.

01:53:40.000 Worst case scenario is they don't, and no one was going to do it anyway.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:45.000 And then three weeks later, it'll be like, oh, the Iranians, they did the thing. 1.00

01:53:49.000 Now gas prices are back to where they were. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Sorry, it was the Iranians that did it. 1.00

01:53:54.000 Asriel says, ammonium perchlorate is an oxidizer that can be volatile but primarily used in pool chemicals and sold by places like Walmart and Lowe's. 1.00

01:54:03.000 Fascinating.

01:54:04.000 Wow.

01:54:05.000 KO says, shockingly, Ian has a point twice today.

01:54:08.000 How about that?

01:54:09.000 Indentured servitude is illegal and yet is voluntary exchange, you communist.

01:54:13.000 There is always a level of coercion, even in free markets, is bad.

01:54:19.000 The issue with indentured servitude, actually, it's Completely legal, and you are incorrect.

01:54:28.000 The issue referring to is an archaic form of indentured servitude.

01:54:32.000 The idea was simple.

01:54:34.000 You were in the old world, and they said, How would you like to come to the new world for opportunity?

01:54:38.000 Okay, I'll give you a loan.

01:54:40.000 You got to pay that loan back once you get there, and then once you do, you'll be a free man.

01:54:45.000 We call that a student loan these days, functionally identical.

01:54:48.000 These people are indentured servants, many of whom have paid more than the principal on their loan, but still owe the same amount.

01:54:55.000 There were people who took out $50,000 to go to college.

01:54:58.000 Paid back $60,000 and still owe $50,000.

01:55:01.000 Like you were in a similar situation, weren't you?

01:55:04.000 Yeah, I took out $20,000.

01:55:05.000 I paid off about nine or 10 of it and I still owe $20,000.

01:55:08.000 Yeah.

01:55:09.000 I was like, oh my God.

01:55:10.000 Indentured servitude still exists, still legal.

01:55:13.000 That's why I'm in favor of shutting that system down, but people who got money still got to pay it back.

01:55:19.000 So indeed, it is still allowed.

01:55:21.000 You see, they call it the donkey route. 1.00

01:55:24.000 All the Indian Punjab truck drivers in the US, that's how they end up here. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Well, how does it work? 1.00

01:55:30.000 Typically, it's young men on Instagram back home.

01:55:34.000 They get inundated with ads saying, Look how much money I'm making.

01:55:36.000 Look at my cool cars.

01:55:37.000 They're just inundated with ads all day long saying, Driving a truck in the U.S. is great.

01:55:41.000 It's all lies.

01:55:42.000 They pay a human trafficker, they call them travel agents, to smuggle them into South America.

01:55:48.000 And then they hoof it on foot through the Darien Gap into Mexico and then into the U.S.

01:55:52.000 So they owe money to the human trafficker.

01:55:55.000 Now they got to owe money to whoever's paying for them to go through trucking school, whoever's giving them the loan to the truck.

01:56:00.000 So, all these guys that are panicking right now about losing their CDLs, they're panicking because they owe everybody money.

01:56:04.000 They go through the Darien gap?

01:56:06.000 Wow.

01:56:06.000 Yeah.

01:56:07.000 Okay, I'm in favor now of all of that, so long as for everyone that comes in, a leftist has to leave.

01:56:13.000 You're just like a communist who doesn't want to do work, who thinks they're entitled to everything, versus a guy willing to go through the Darien gap to get a job in America.

01:56:22.000 The leftists aren't working at all.

01:56:24.000 You know what I mean? 0.94

01:56:24.000 At least the H 1B guy does some work. 0.94

01:56:26.000 It depends what.

01:56:27.000 See, that's the thing.

01:56:28.000 These guys aren't even H 1Bs.

01:56:29.000 Oh, that's worse. 0.99

01:56:31.000 That's a different cast.

01:56:32.000 Those guys have the money to fly into Dallas and go straight to work for software companies.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, I don't like that.

01:56:37.000 But I will say, like, crossing the Darien Gap is a lot of work.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, there's no roads.

01:56:41.000 Pretty hardcore, yeah.

01:56:43.000 It's just raw, like, jungle.

01:56:44.000 And, like, there's banditos there.

01:56:46.000 And, like, it's brutal, man.

01:56:49.000 If you had the choice between a communist who grew up in, you know, like, the suburbs of New York, Then moved to California, went to Berkeley, and is part of Antifa. 0.77

01:57:00.000 If we could deport that person and bring in some Indian guy who traveled 2,000 miles from South America to the Darien Gap, which would you rather have? 0.76

01:57:09.000 The American, but a communist, or the guy who crawled through the Darien Gap to come here for a job? 0.99

01:57:14.000 I want to put both of them in a truck and see how well they can back a trailer up to a door.

01:57:18.000 Nothing will de radicalize someone against unionization than sending them to a union run warehouse and having to deal with it. 0.83

01:57:24.000 Well, there's a viral video of an Indian guy backing a truck up to a loading dock and crushing the guy.

01:57:29.000 Did you see this one? 1.00

01:57:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:31.000 Went super viral.

01:57:32.000 Yeah.

01:57:32.000 Because he's like, here's the truck and he's looking over and he looks out to see what the trucker's doing and then, oh.

01:57:38.000 Because the driver doesn't know what he's doing.

01:57:39.000 Or do you see the one where the truck driver ran the women over? 0.70

01:57:42.000 He backs up and just runs two women over.

01:57:45.000 Jeez. 1.00

01:57:46.000 Yeah, this stuff happens all the time.

01:57:48.000 They tell you in training, go, get out and look.

01:57:51.000 You know what they're going to do, right?

01:57:52.000 Once they replace as many drivers as possible with low skill, unqualified individuals and we get a bunch of accidents, they're going to say, we have to automate this.

01:58:00.000 That has always been the conspiracy, but we were talking about this earlier on the other show.

01:58:05.000 The cost that it takes to run these autonomous trucks for now is still way higher than it is to have meat in the seat.

01:58:12.000 So that's why you go back 10, 15, 20 years, we had all these autonomous startups in trucking.

01:58:16.000 And over the last decade and a half, they've all gone bankrupt or consolidated.

01:58:20.000 There's only a handful left, and they're just holding on for dear life, trying not to burn through their cash reserves before they go bankrupt.

01:58:27.000 It's going to happen.

01:58:29.000 I don't, I don't, I'm not denying that autonomous trucks are coming.

01:58:32.000 The timelines that people are going to say in six months to a year or two, we're talking 10, 15 years.

01:58:39.000 I don't think so.

01:58:40.000 They're going to make driving illegal.

01:58:42.000 Like, but 10 to 15 years for driving to be illegal, but I think autonomous vehicles are around the corner.

01:58:47.000 I don't even think they need to make it illegal.

01:58:49.000 It's, we're seeing right now a cultural shift with, you know, Gen Z and younger.

01:58:54.000 Fewer and fewer people, forget CDLs, just driver's license, period. 0.88

01:58:57.000 Yep.

01:58:57.000 Fewer and fewer young kids are going through that, uh, Right of passage of getting your learner's permit and getting your license.

01:59:03.000 Everyone's got Uber or ride shares and all that stuff.

01:59:05.000 I'll tell you how it's going to happen.

01:59:07.000 Insurance companies.

01:59:08.000 The insurance company is going to say insurance on a truck that is autonomous is X amount of dollars.

01:59:15.000 And insurance on a truck driven by a person because of liability is going to be X times Y or something.

01:59:21.000 That's a good point.

01:59:22.000 Right now, the minimum coverage you need on the semi truck for like cargo and all that is $750,000.

01:59:29.000 That's been a rate that's been set since like the early 90s.

01:59:31.000 It has not kept up with inflation.

01:59:33.000 Had it kept up, it's supposed to be like.

01:59:35.000 At least a million and a half to two million right now.

01:59:37.000 Most of your small mom and pop carriers cannot afford having that much coverage.

01:59:41.000 And then they're going to say, oh, it's a robot.

01:59:43.000 Those are safer statistically.

01:59:45.000 And then they're going to offer these things up.

01:59:46.000 I think, however, the argument that trucks will be electric, I don't think so, but you'd probably know better.

01:59:51.000 No, I think the Tesla Semi, the Freightliner eCascadia, those are great for small local runs, going from the Pepsi plant to another Pepsi plant, charging overnight.

02:00:02.000 But as far as them actually doing over the road freight, having to go into a truck stop, We don't have the charging infrastructure.

02:00:08.000 It takes too long to charge them, period.

02:00:10.000 By the time you get to a regular truck stop, if there's three trucks ahead of you in the fuel line, that's 45 minutes you're already waiting.

02:00:17.000 But from the warehouse to the gas stations, I think that probably will happen.

02:00:22.000 So, like, if you have a Dunkin' Donuts distribute, like, factory where they make all the donuts for all the, like, 20 stores, one truck electric autonomously could pick up the donuts, drop them off, and come back and charge, and that would work.

02:00:35.000 But the long haul stuff, it's got to be gas.

02:00:38.000 Well, so there's a company right now called Gattick.

02:00:42.000 The way that they're kind of sneaking into the radar is they are not class eight trucks.

02:00:47.000 They're like the much smaller trucks.

02:00:48.000 So they mostly do B2B.

02:00:50.000 So they go from the Walmart distribution center to a Walmart store, and it'll be the guys on the dock unloading the trucks.

02:00:57.000 But again, they've been around for a while, but they only have 10 trucks.

02:01:00.000 So you look at any of these companies that are in this space and you actually look at how many trucks they have running right now, it's very, very few.

02:01:05.000 Most of this is just they're still trying to nibble around the edges and the.

02:01:11.000 Rate at which they can grow at scale is just not here yet.

02:01:14.000 You said the minimum insurance got frozen at 750.

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 Like most of those insurance companies keep up.

02:01:20.000 They don't.

02:01:21.000 There's, God help you if you get rear ended by one of these guys with like a non domicile CDL because the company that they drive for, you know, you go down the highways and you see billboards for like, you know, truck attorneys all the time.

02:01:33.000 If one of these guys rear ends you, they don't have any assets for that attorney to go after you.

02:01:38.000 If you're, I'm not saying to do this, if you were to get rear ended by a semi truck, you want to get rear ended by one of the big guys who has lots of assets and lots of money to go after.

02:01:45.000 They call those nuclear verdicts.

02:01:47.000 Anything that's over a million or $10 million will just completely wipe out a trucking company.

02:01:51.000 Let me grab this.

02:01:52.000 Max says, No, Tim, you don't own the water.

02:01:54.000 Look into it.

02:01:54.000 People can legally travel through the water, but can't legally go onto your land.

02:01:58.000 Wrong.

02:01:58.000 The water on our property is not navigable water.

02:02:01.000 We own the access to that water.

02:02:03.000 Now, the water system itself, there are restrictions on whether or not we can dam or do anything because we've looked into all this.

02:02:09.000 But as the creek that we have is non navigable, no one can come onto our property and take access to that water.

02:02:16.000 That being said, upstream, You can't interfere with, pollute, or compromise that water intentionally.

02:02:22.000 We can't either.

02:02:23.000 But the point is this if people needed to access any of the private land because they needed that water, they cannot.

02:02:30.000 It was secured by the individuals who live here for the purpose of protecting themselves and their family.

02:02:34.000 If it was as such that anyone could just go into anyone's property and take it, there'd be no point in buying land with water on it, and nobody would.

02:02:40.000 But land with water is more valuable than land without.

02:02:43.000 Now, you are correct.

02:02:45.000 There are many properties nearby with navigable water, for which when you own a portion of that, They can travel down it, and there are certain restrictions.

02:02:53.000 Also, there's like fishing restrictions.

02:02:54.000 But again, my point is we have a pond and we have a creek.

02:02:58.000 We control it.

02:02:59.000 We own it.

02:02:59.000 Nobody can come on the property and touch it.

02:03:01.000 And I can drain the pond and destroy it if I want to.

02:03:03.000 As for the creek, we can do some things to it.

02:03:06.000 We can trench it out and expand it and make it bigger.

02:03:08.000 We can create a pool.

02:03:09.000 We can actually trench it out and then dig a gigantic pool and create a pond if we want to.

02:03:13.000 But we cannot stop the flow to or pollute or damage that water because then you're causing problems downstream.

02:03:20.000 The only issue is a lot of people do, and you can't prove it.

02:03:22.000 So, if one day you went to your water and noticed there's something off about it, good luck figuring it out because there's going to be a thousand houses upstream and you're going to figure out where the source is, I guess.

02:03:33.000 Good luck.

02:03:34.000 Let me see if we can grab one more over here.

02:03:34.000 All right, my friends.

02:03:36.000 I want to make sure I get this one.

02:03:38.000 The free man says chicken or the egg.

02:03:40.000 Elon wants UBI because if it's adopted, his robots would be a necessity for any business to survive and a top commodity for homes.

02:03:47.000 Think he's rich now.

02:03:48.000 It would be like Amazon on steroids.

02:03:51.000 Elon is correct about some kind of UBI, not because he, I don't think that's the case.

02:03:57.000 I think the issue is that the transformation that we're experiencing from AI will be so dramatic, humans won't be able to generationally adapt.

02:04:06.000 With the Industrial Revolution, it was an overnight shift, but it still took a bit of time, and there were Luddite revolts.

02:04:13.000 There was violence, there was explosions, bombs, and all that stuff.

02:04:17.000 AI is going to make the same, like, think of the Industrial Revolution, but in a flash, the exponential increase.

02:04:25.000 And change to our economy will wipe out 10, 20, 30 million jobs overnight.

02:04:31.000 And these people will be pissed off.

02:04:33.000 So they're trying to taper it so the job losses are as such that people don't have a revolution.

02:04:38.000 We'll talk about more of this and we'll play a fun song for you that is too offensive to play on YouTube over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.

02:04:45.000 Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.

02:04:48.000 Justin, you want to shout anything out?

02:04:50.000 Yeah, find me on Twitter at Super Trucker.

02:04:53.000 We're still looking into all this stuff with Super Ego. 0.92

02:04:57.000 You know how a couple weeks ago Twitter changed the algorithm and everyone's feeds was flooded with posts from Japan?

02:05:03.000 Yeah.

02:05:03.000 Mine has been that, but from posts from Serbia lately.

02:05:06.000 The Serbians are pissed. 1.00

02:05:07.000 They're just like, they want super ego burnt to the ground. 1.00

02:05:11.000 It's a war. 1.00

02:05:12.000 Are you Serbian?

02:05:13.000 No.

02:05:13.000 I'm a big fan of the Serbs.

02:05:15.000 They're good people.

02:05:16.000 Shout out to 420.

02:05:18.000 It's 420 today.

02:05:18.000 Happy 420.

02:05:19.000 Shout out to marijuana.

02:05:20.000 Gets a bad rep sometimes, but it's cool.

02:05:22.000 I liked it. 0.82

02:05:23.000 Also, shout out to Hitler, whose birthday was 420. 0.86

02:05:26.000 Not a big fan of the guy, but maybe we should drop a mention.

02:05:29.000 Hit me up on my DMs.

02:05:31.000 Slide on in, Tim.

02:05:32.000 Slide on in my DMs anytime you want.

02:05:34.000 Tate Brown.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown.

02:05:38.000 Happy birthday to all birthdays today, not just Adolph.

02:05:40.000 I think anyone's one of 420 deserves to celebrate today.

02:05:42.000 So, yeah, Carter.

02:05:45.000 No shout outs for me tonight.

02:05:47.000 But anyway, yeah, let's get into the after show.

02:05:50.000 We'll see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL right now.

02:05:53.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:07:19.000 Alien Carry Network gets shut down.

02:07:21.000 That's when the insurance company sniffs them out and revokes their policy.

02:07:24.000 Let's play this song.

02:07:25.000 I love it.

02:07:25.000 It's from Fallout.

02:07:26.000 Well, it's not from Fallout, it's an old song.

02:07:29.000 Fallout, this is from. 0.69

02:07:31.000 I guess Whore? 0.77

02:07:32.000 That's what it says. 0.99

02:07:33.000 It's probably like on a radio or something.

02:07:35.000 Ooh, Harmony.

02:07:39.000 He tells the native population that civilization is dying.

02:07:45.000 And three educated savages holler from a bamboo tree.

02:07:50.000 I don't get by his ha-ha-ha.

02:07:52.000 That civilization is a thing for me to see. 0.87

02:07:57.000 So bongo, bongo, bongo, I don't wanna leave the Congo.

02:08:01.000 Oh, no, Bingo, bango, bongo, I'm so hoppy in the jungle, I refuse to go. 0.98

02:08:09.000 Don't want no bright lights, false teeth, doorbells, landlords, I make it clear.

02:08:16.000 That no matter how they coax him, I'll stay right here.

02:08:25.000 I saw on Reddit, and people complained about it.

02:08:27.000 It was a great story.

02:08:28.000 Hey, on Ransom.

02:08:30.000 Please start talking to sing about the jungle.

02:08:32.000 I see how people who are civilized are like Bob Hillard, Hilliard, and Carl Sigmund.

02:08:38.000 Performed by Danny Kay and Andrews.

02:08:41.000 Oh, it was in Fallout 3 and 4.

02:08:47.000 And in Fallout 76.

02:08:48.000 Oh, Bunga Bunga Bunga, he don't wanna leave the Congo.

02:08:54.000 No, Bingle, bangle, bungle, he's so happy in the jungle, he refused to go.

02:09:02.000 Don't want no penthouse, bathtubs, street cars, taxis, noise in my ear.

02:09:08.000 So I was looking for the songs in the soundtrack, and I was like, what song is this?

02:09:12.000 Because all I remember is the Bingle, Bangle, Bungle, and I looked it up on Reddit, and it was a bunch of leftists complaining about how racist the song was and how problematic it was.

02:09:20.000 And I was like, oh, wow.

02:09:21.000 And then I looked up the lyrics, and I was like, oh, I get it.

02:09:24.000 Yeah, but from when I'm reading about AI, it says it's about an African character who prefers life in the jungle over modern society.

02:09:32.000 Not really racist, kind of more of a.

02:09:35.000 Except they haven't bought it?

02:09:36.000 Oh, they do.

02:09:37.000 Yeah.

02:09:37.000 They do do that sometimes.

02:09:40.000 That was back when they were doing blackface in Looney Tunes and stuff back in the 40s. 0.99

02:09:44.000 Yes. 0.68

02:09:45.000 You always have to look at everything in context. 1.00

02:09:47.000 There was some crazy racist shit in Looney Tunes. 0.99

02:09:50.000 Or was it Looney Tunes? 1.00

02:09:51.000 Looney Tunes.

02:09:51.000 Tony Jerry, he'd put shoe polish on his face.

02:09:54.000 The anti Japanese war propaganda cartoons that they were making at the time. 0.99

02:09:57.000 Those are good, too. 0.95

02:09:58.000 Yeah, Superman did it.

02:09:58.000 I would have gotten.

02:09:59.000 Superman used to have the ability to scrunch his face to look Japanese.

02:10:02.000 Not a joke.

02:10:03.000 Oh, really?

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 Yeah, he had a lot of crazy powers.

02:10:05.000 Superman's fire.

02:10:06.000 Super spy. 1.00

02:10:07.000 They do that now with Persians. 1.00

02:10:08.000 Be like, these guys are all car salesmen. 1.00

02:10:10.000 What's the deal with them?

02:10:11.000 His eyebrows are so thick.

02:10:13.000 I see you're an Alp guy over there.

02:10:14.000 I'm a Velo guy myself.

02:10:16.000 We tried to get in contact with the people at Alp because their load got stolen.

02:10:21.000 Oh, right. 0.99

02:10:22.000 What a fucking joke all that was. 0.99

02:10:23.000 They did not take any of it seriously. 1.00

02:10:26.000 Really?

02:10:26.000 I was like, we literally have Batman tech.

02:10:29.000 Like, you give me a trailer number, a truck number, anything.

02:10:32.000 Any detail on that load, I can track it for you.

02:10:34.000 And it was just like completely wrong.

02:10:36.000 Did they write it off as a loss at an inflated value or something?

02:10:39.000 By the time they went public about the theft, it was like a month and a half after it happened.

02:10:44.000 You have 24 to 48 hours after a load gets stolen to try and track it down.

02:10:49.000 Otherwise, that stuff's being sold in a gas station in Mexico right now.

02:10:52.000 Yeah.

02:10:53.000 Oh, absolutely gone.

02:10:54.000 Deep conspiracy.

02:10:55.000 My friend Gord, when he went to Tucker to do his second episode, he told Tucker, like, why didn't any of your people reach out to us?

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:11:02.000 And he was like, well, that's, you know, I'm just the face of Alp.

02:11:04.000 It's a separate company, blah, blah, blah.

02:11:06.000 And They're just playing with it as like a marketing gimmick at this point.

02:11:09.000 But man, we were so mad.

02:11:12.000 My friend Danielle managed to get a hold of the social media person that runs the Alp account.

02:11:16.000 And it was like talking to a child.

02:11:17.000 We're like, please put an adult on the phone for us.

02:11:20.000 We are serious people.

02:11:21.000 We can track this stuff down for you.

02:11:23.000 Just give us something, anything.

02:11:24.000 And it was like, I'm just a social media person.

02:11:26.000 Yeah.

02:11:26.000 Cause I remember some people after the theft happened and they were like, this is retribution.

02:11:29.000 You know, the CIA, this is retribution against Tucker for speaking out.

02:11:32.000 And I was like, okay, wait a second.

02:11:33.000 I read the article and yeah, it was like, it was stolen like two months prior.

02:11:36.000 And I was like, no.

02:11:37.000 First of all, that disproves that theory.

02:11:39.000 Second of all, Why haven't they done anything?

02:11:40.000 Why have they not gone public until now?

02:11:42.000 I think, well, the insurance will pay for it.

02:11:45.000 Right.

02:11:45.000 And, you know, there's been a lot of high value, high profile theft of like celebrity merchandise lately.

02:11:51.000 Guy Fieri had his tequila stolen.

02:11:52.000 Shaq had his custom car stolen.

02:11:54.000 And I feel like you have a duty if your Alp shipment got stolen because all it does is incentivize criminals.

02:11:59.000 Like, oh, I can get away with it.

02:12:00.000 If I'm slick enough, then they're not going to come after me.

02:12:01.000 Yeah.

02:12:02.000 And a lot of the way that these different cargo thefts happen via different routes.

02:12:07.000 So sometimes they will, you know, pretend to be the actual carrier to show up and pick up that load and then it disappears.

02:12:13.000 Sometimes they'll manage to circumvent the communication between the driver and dispatch.

02:12:19.000 And the driver will, he's not in on it.

02:12:22.000 He just goes, picks up the load.

02:12:23.000 And then while en route, he gets a phone call or a text saying, hey, actually, the delivery address got changed.

02:12:27.000 You got to drop it off at this warehouse.

02:12:29.000 That kind of stuff happens.

02:12:30.000 Well, there is one place that I would describe as a crime free paradise Jackson, Wyoming.

02:12:37.000 It's a ski town.

02:12:38.000 You go there to ski.

02:12:39.000 Yeah.

02:12:40.000 And ski resorts have just no crime, none.

02:12:43.000 I've been there.

02:12:43.000 It's quite pleasant.

02:12:43.000 Yeah.

02:12:45.000 Thousands, tens of thousands of dollars with a ski coin just lying around.

02:12:47.000 Nobody touches it.

02:12:49.000 Jax was crazy because it was like, we almost got stranded there because of a blizzard.

02:12:52.000 Like, it's like, they have like two roads in.

02:12:54.000 So if there's any storm, you're just stuck there.

02:12:56.000 So we're like, go live in a.

02:12:59.000 Like, the further north you go, like, crime goes down.

02:13:02.000 Is that right?

02:13:03.000 In the U.S., no, because Detroit, it's like the furthest north metro and it's like the scariest place.

02:13:07.000 No, I mean like mountains.

02:13:08.000 I mean in general.

02:13:09.000 Like, if you were living in the mountains of the.

02:13:11.000 Actually, maybe that's not true.

02:13:13.000 Just like.

02:13:15.000 Mexico City is pretty high elevation.

02:13:16.000 Underreported per capita or something.

02:13:18.000 No, but I mean, like, I mean, I mean, like, I guess to the colder climates, there's just less people and everyone's hiding.

02:13:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:25.000 Minneapolis kind of shoots that down.

02:13:26.000 That's true.

02:13:27.000 That's a good point, actually. 0.98

02:13:28.000 I was thinking the Suomi, as you pronounce it, in Scandinavia, they have like some of the highest crime rates in Europe and they're like, oh, yeah. 0.90

02:13:36.000 So, how about that? 0.86

02:13:38.000 I think it's more just like the more remote you are, the less crime is going to be.

02:13:41.000 Yeah, but when you're on a mountain, there's thousands of people all over the place and there's just no crime.

02:13:44.000 Everybody knows about these small, tight knit communities.

02:13:47.000 No, no, no, no.

02:13:48.000 Jackson, Wyoming is like a permanent destination for skiing.

02:13:51.000 You go there and there's like 10,000 people and zero crime.

02:13:54.000 I think there's a more obvious, less politically correct explanation for why there's no crime at ski resorts.

02:13:59.000 What could that be?

02:14:01.000 Well, could that be tape?

02:14:03.000 Sensioeconomic factors?

02:14:04.000 There was a viral.

02:14:05.000 That explains it.

02:14:06.000 I mean, everyone there's rich. 1.00

02:14:07.000 There was a TikTok video a while back of a black guy at a ski resort, and he's like, look at these white motherfuckers just leaving all this shit lying around. 1.00

02:14:13.000 He was like, the first person to be in the world. 1.00

02:14:13.000 This is insane. 1.00

02:14:14.000 Imagine being in the world.

02:14:15.000 It never occurred to us, like, this could be stolen.

02:14:17.000 And then one guy shows up and he's like, I could steal all this.

02:14:19.000 Look at him again. 1.00

02:14:20.000 No, there was a video I saw of a bunch of black dudes stealing a bunch of skis. 1.00

02:14:22.000 That's over. 1.00

02:14:23.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:14:23.000 They pulled up and walked up and just grabbed a punch, threw him in the truck, and left. 1.00

02:14:26.000 Nowhere safe.

02:14:27.000 It says open carry in Wyoming also. 0.99

02:14:29.000 Maybe that has something to do with white people. 0.97

02:14:30.000 I mean, because my attitude is they take my skis and start blasting. 0.74

02:14:33.000 Because Breckenridge probably has pretty low crime, and I know Colorado has some pretty rough gun laws.

02:14:37.000 So it has to be something else.

02:14:38.000 It has to be socioeconomic.

02:14:39.000 You know, I like Texas because in Texas, you're allowed to use lethal force to defend physical property. 0.95

02:14:44.000 Like if someone's stealing your TV, you can kill him. 0.89

02:14:44.000 Oh, yeah. 0.89

02:14:46.000 That's pretty cool.

02:14:47.000 Let's go. 0.65

02:14:48.000 I kind of like that because at some point, if you take someone's home, you've basically killed them.

02:14:52.000 Like if you take their access to resources.

02:14:54.000 Or it's like something you can't get back, like an heirloom.

02:14:57.000 Yeah.

02:14:58.000 Yeah, I have a nice armoire I would slime someone out over.

02:15:01.000 Get slimed.

02:15:02.000 Yeah, I would do that.

02:15:03.000 I would go there.

02:15:04.000 I've heard that in a while.

02:15:05.000 I would go there.

02:15:06.000 You know, it's a nice armor.

02:15:07.000 It was my grandmother's.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, my magic cards.

02:15:09.000 Yeah.

02:15:10.000 Yeah.

02:15:11.000 Texas, dude.

02:15:12.000 Mm hmm.

02:15:13.000 It's a place.

02:15:14.000 I'm too young to remember, but I lived in Abilene, Texas for a bit.

02:15:19.000 And so I've always been spirit.

02:15:20.000 My, when I learned to talk as a kid, I had a real thick Southern accent.

02:15:25.000 Let's go.

02:15:26.000 And got it beaten out of me relentlessly when I moved to Indiana.

02:15:29.000 So my accent's always been kind of muddled, but I love Texas.

02:15:32.000 Texas, I've always been spiritually Texan.

02:15:34.000 It's just everything bigger in Texas.

02:15:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:36.000 I love seeing all the shit that they're into. 1.00

02:15:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:38.000 I lived in Indiana for a while as a child and I noticed, and I'm not saying this to drag Indianans, but there is like an inferiority complex in Indiana. 1.00

02:15:44.000 Who's yours? 1.00

02:15:45.000 Yeah.

02:15:46.000 It's like a depressing rust.

02:15:46.000 It wasn't Fort Wayne, too.

02:15:48.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:48.000 Fort Wayne's actually pretty legit now because you're not far from like a lot of major, yeah, the major metro.

02:15:54.000 You're like two and a half hours from everything.

02:15:55.000 Yep.

02:15:56.000 And, uh, yeah, but I just remember living there and everyone just kind of had this like chip on their shoulder.

02:16:00.000 I guess because they're surrounded by so many formerly, I guess, powerhouse states.

02:16:04.000 Yeah.

02:16:05.000 Indiana's got, because everything with me is trucking, Indiana's got a shitload of problems in trucking right now.

02:16:10.000 We've, I, I had a, one of my big like Twitter moments, uh, this year was, uh, I ratioed two Indiana senators in the span of a week because they were talking about trucking.

02:16:20.000 And I just laid everything out saying, hey, look at this random suburb in south of Indianapolis, Indiana.

02:16:27.000 There's 250 trucking companies here.

02:16:29.000 What's up with that?

02:16:30.000 And it just blew up.

02:16:32.000 And Senator Jim Banks, his general counsel, reached out to me, gave me a personal cell.

02:16:37.000 So he's like, what the hell is going on?

02:16:38.000 I'm like, how much time do you got?

02:16:40.000 So I spoke on the phone with her for a few hours.

02:16:42.000 And that's basically been my quote unquote career for the last few months I just. 0.99

02:16:48.000 Publicly say, like, you know, fucked up shit that's happening in trucking. 0.98

02:16:51.000 What's the gist of what was going on there? 0.99

02:16:54.000 So, in the 2008, like, housing crash, there was a ton of suburbs out there that just halted production.

02:17:02.000 Like, they had all these houses, like, 75 to 90% built.

02:17:05.000 They just stopped. 0.85

02:17:06.000 There was one guy from California who migrated from India, saw all those cheap houses, and was like, that's a fucking steal, bought all the houses in the area, and then just started bringing in all his cousins from California and India over the last. 0.97

02:17:19.000 15 years, and they've just completely dominated the trucking area down there.

02:17:24.000 There's a politician or a wannabe politician in Indiana named Sid Mahant.

02:17:29.000 He owns a handful of trucking companies and CDL schools.

02:17:32.000 And Indiana is unique versus other states where if I have a CDL and I live in Florida, but I want to move to Indiana, I have to retake the knowledge test in English.

02:17:42.000 And this is before Trump, before Obama.

02:17:44.000 This has been law in Indiana for years.

02:17:46.000 Sid was having this problem where all his drivers from California.

02:17:49.000 Couldn't move to Indiana because they can't speak or read English.

02:17:52.000 And so they couldn't take the knowledge test to transfer the CDLs over.

02:17:55.000 So he ran for state Congress to try and pass this law to overturn that rule.

02:17:59.000 Well, he borrowed $2 million to fund his own political campaign.

02:18:03.000 He got kicked off the ballot and he's running again right now.

02:18:07.000 And he's tied in with their Secretary of State in Indiana, like the two of them have owned businesses together.

02:18:13.000 That's where we see a lot of the shenanigans in trucking in different states.

02:18:17.000 You look at states where they're having all kinds of issues with trucking.

02:18:21.000 Look at their secretary of state and see what they're up to.

02:18:22.000 Nebraska, their secretary of state is, there is no word for it, but you know, like the term otaku, like guys who are just really.

02:18:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:30.000 Their guy is at otaku, but for Kenya. 0.94

02:18:33.000 The guy just goes to Kenya all the time and just has a fucking blast in Kenya.

02:18:36.000 Well, I mean, Nairobi is pretty awesome.

02:18:38.000 And while in Kenya, their office of diaspora will contact him and say, hey, can you hook us up with some jobs? 0.99

02:18:44.000 He's like, yeah, we got trucking companies out here that can't hire for shit. 0.96

02:18:48.000 So they started importing a bunch of guys from Kenya to drive trucks. 1.00

02:18:51.000 And they got caught, and we tweeted about it last year.

02:18:53.000 And the CEO of Warner Enterprise, like one of the big trucking companies in the US, immediately was like, We have all to do with this.

02:19:00.000 Meanwhile, they'd already been doing it for the last six years.

02:19:03.000 Yeah.

02:19:05.000 They got caught red handed.

02:19:06.000 Is it because they can't get Americans to do it or because it's cheap? 0.95

02:19:09.000 It's a chicken or the egg issue because since 1980, so pre 1980, trucking was fucking sweet as a driver. 0.65

02:19:16.000 You were paid great, low turnover. 0.80

02:19:18.000 A lot of guys were in the Teamsters.

02:19:20.000 Like we had it made.

02:19:21.000 Jimmy Hoffa could pick up the phone at any moment and say, My guys aren't getting what they want.

02:19:25.000 Shut it down. 0.99

02:19:25.000 The whole fucking nation grinds to a screeching halt. 0.99

02:19:28.000 The government at the time was like, we got to fucking do something about this. 0.99

02:19:31.000 So they just steamrolled the Motor Carrier Act of 1980 through and it completely 100% deregulated the industry. 0.81

02:19:38.000 There are zero barriers to entry into trucking whatsoever.

02:19:41.000 Tim, you could take out your phone right now and in 30 minutes, I can walk you through the steps of starting your own trucking company.

02:19:47.000 You don't have to prove that you know anything about trucking.

02:19:49.000 You don't have to prove that you've read the 800 pages of all the federal rules and regulations involved with running a trucking company.

02:19:55.000 You can just start a trucking company.

02:19:57.000 And so we went from like, 17,000 to 14,000 trucking companies to 1980 to like half a million within like just a quick number of years.

02:20:05.000 So the market was immediately flooded.

02:20:08.000 A bunch of the old legacy carriers went bankrupt and turnover was just like insane.

02:20:11.000 Like nobody would stay at a trucking company for more than a year because everybody was hopping from one job to another or just quitting.

02:20:18.000 So this narrative of a truck driver shortage started popping up in the 90s where the big lobbyist group in the US called the American Trucking Association, they don't represent truck drivers, they represent large truckload carriers.

02:20:32.000 Their whole bread and butter is, you know, all these big trucking companies, they pay dues to us so that we can take their money and lobby Congress critters to get what we want.

02:20:41.000 So they've been lying about this truck driver shortage for years and years and years.

02:20:43.000 And that's kind of where things start falling apart, where they start importing guys from overseas in the 90s.

02:20:49.000 And what they didn't anticipate was all these drivers that they were importing were going to start trucking companies of their own and then start importing the drivers they want.

02:20:57.000 And so now they've completely abandoned the shortage narrative.

02:21:00.000 They've moved on to other pet projects like truck parking or.

02:21:04.000 You know, CDL, like the whole idea of starting your own CDL school, it's a self certified process. 0.99

02:21:11.000 You don't have to prove that your class is worth the shit. 0.89

02:21:14.000 You can just say, I am a trucking school and I register with the FMCSA, and the FMCSA goes, okay. 0.98

02:21:19.000 So you just start funneling guys through your pipeline all you want.

02:21:22.000 And to his credit, Sean Duffy shut that down earlier this year.

02:21:25.000 Fascinating.

02:21:26.000 They've shut down like 7,000 trucking companies.

02:21:28.000 Let's go.

02:21:28.000 We're going to grab some callers.

02:21:30.000 We'll start with Kilo Charlie 5.

02:21:32.000 What's up, brother?

02:21:33.000 What up, dude?

02:21:35.000 Kilo.

02:21:36.000 What's up?

02:21:36.000 Hey, good evening, guys.

02:21:37.000 This is your friendly neighborhood prepper, Kilo Charlie Five, here.

02:21:41.000 Thanks for having me back.

02:21:42.000 Sounds like he's on the same page.

02:21:44.000 Question for the whole panel.

02:21:47.000 With Trump's recent alienating much of his base, do you see those that voted for and believed in the original principles of MAGA to continue to stay with MAGA and justify Trump from the coalition?

02:21:59.000 Or do you see them starting a new movement on the right with all the original principles they voted for, like no new wars, America first, mass deportation, prosecution of crooked Dems, et cetera? to rival whatever Trump and MAGA has become now.

02:22:14.000 Well, Trump's diehards are always going to be for Trump no matter what.

02:22:17.000 It's his untouchable base that pollsters have always found. 0.53

02:22:20.000 Then there's the coalition, which includes anti interventionists and libertarian types, liberals.

02:22:27.000 They're going to break.

02:22:29.000 This is actually becoming an issue because events are coming up where I'm talking to a lot of the organizers and I'm saying, like, yeah, I don't think I'm interested in whatever that right wing lineup's going to be.

02:22:39.000 I don't want to be like at a TPUSA where Bannon's screaming at Shapiro, who's screaming at Candace.

02:22:43.000 Like, I'm not interested in any of those things.

02:22:45.000 So I think Trump's core.

02:22:47.000 Base of supporters aren't ever going to leave them.

02:22:49.000 And I think that the coalition is shattered and going to break off and do their own things where they don't like each other.

02:22:56.000 The problem is, like, within the Republican Party, they've pulled the Republican Party.

02:22:59.000 Their support for the Iran war is at like 88%, something like that.

02:23:03.000 So even if there were like a pressure group among the coalition, right, the 2024 coalition, it wouldn't matter because you're not registered Republicans.

02:23:10.000 When the primaries come around, the Trump base is still going to be in control of ultimately who's going to be the Republican nominee.

02:23:16.000 So I suppose if you're talking about an outside political movement, I think the way I see it, I mean, maybe you disagree, but the way I see it is a lot of people that came into the coalition and voted for Trump, a lot of them, I'm not saying the commentariat, but a lot of those voters were not super politically involved voters.

02:23:31.000 My evidence for this is Trump gets a lot of first time voters.

02:23:34.000 And so I'm not sure those people really have the desire or willpower to start a third party or any sort of pressure group within the Republican Party or any sort of political movement broadly.

02:23:44.000 And I think come 2028, you're going to see that coalition stitched back together because the main reason the coalition happened in 2024 wasn't necessarily because of Trump's gravity.

02:23:53.000 It was more of an anti Kamala kind of fervor, anti political correctness, et cetera, et cetera.

02:23:58.000 So, yeah, I mean, I see what you mean.

02:24:01.000 I just think the problem is the way that the dynamics in the Republican Party is, he still has massive support within the Republican Party among registered Republicans.

02:24:08.000 That whole thing, he said things like, I am MAGA.

02:24:12.000 Things are at least, I don't agree with.

02:24:15.000 He wrote that, he copyrighted it.

02:24:17.000 Yeah, like the, you know, making America great is not like, doesn't rest in the pockets of Donald Trump.

02:24:17.000 It's his.

02:24:23.000 I think it's a movement that could go well beyond, but I mean, Also, it's a little rhetorical. 0.98

02:24:27.000 Like, get rid of that garbage, MAGA, NAGA, like weird sounding. 0.99

02:24:31.000 NAGA is like a fantasy lizard creature that's underwater. 1.00

02:24:33.000 I know what it is.

02:24:34.000 It's a sea serpent.

02:24:35.000 Ever since Trump was like, my thing's MAGA, I'm like, what is this guy?

02:24:38.000 Does he not know Brandt?

02:24:39.000 Like, it's such a weird thing.

02:24:40.000 You know that MAGA came from Reagan.

02:24:42.000 I'm sorry, say it again.

02:24:43.000 MAGA came from Reagan.

02:24:45.000 Yeah.

02:24:45.000 Reagan?

02:24:46.000 It's just trying to bring it back to the point.

02:24:47.000 It actually is brilliant rhetorically because he kind of hits at the core of the issue everyone recognizes America used to be great.

02:24:52.000 You're just not allowed to observe that.

02:24:54.000 Like when it's inherent in the phrase, make America great again, which implies it's actually not that great right now.

02:24:59.000 And I remember in 2016, a lot of these like more establishment guys were like, what are you talking about?

02:25:04.000 What do you mean?

02:25:04.000 America's great.

02:25:05.000 And then the entire base was like, no, it's not.

02:25:08.000 I have eyeballs.

02:25:08.000 Like I can see things.

02:25:09.000 Well, I guess I'll say rhetorical, reinforced with no new wars, just garbage rhetoric. 0.98

02:25:17.000 I personally don't trust the man. 0.93

02:25:18.000 I trust the movement.

02:25:19.000 I trust the, but also my eyes have been open to what war is and geopolitical conflict.

02:25:26.000 It's not like we can just turn it off.

02:25:28.000 You know, when you have the strongest military on earth, you're supposed to use it.

02:25:31.000 I think, well, it's not about that.

02:25:32.000 It's just that we have interests and there are bad people and there are bad moral worldviews that we don't want.

02:25:37.000 I think MAGA and America First are like the two greatest political memes that have been created in the last 50 years.

02:25:44.000 It just cuts through so much noise.

02:25:45.000 Like, whether you agree with their policy or not, you know, by saying, This is America first.

02:25:52.000 It's like, well, okay, well, does that mean this other thing is America second?

02:25:55.000 America third?

02:25:56.000 So, yeah, it's a great rhetorical trick.

02:25:56.000 Yeah.

02:25:58.000 I think Trump is just such a cult of personality that once he's out of office, I couldn't tell you.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, I like Vance.

02:26:09.000 I'm a millennial.

02:26:10.000 I'm a dad.

02:26:11.000 I see a lot of stuff in common with him as far as that goes.

02:26:16.000 But I think once Trump is out of office trying to get whatever next coalition they're trying to build, that's going to be hard.

02:26:23.000 I think it's going to take Democrats coming back in.

02:26:25.000 And figuring out what they have to be opposed to.

02:26:27.000 Because that was the whole point of MAGA, they were just opposed to progressivism.

02:26:31.000 Then once they got into the second term here, all those coalitions start falling apart because it's like, okay, we made it.

02:26:36.000 It's very easy to be against something, but then trying to hold a coalition of different groups together based on what stuff you're agreeing upon is like next to impossible.

02:26:36.000 Now what are we for?

02:26:44.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

02:26:47.000 I wonder if it's going to be JD or Rubio.

02:26:50.000 What was that?

02:26:51.000 Yeah, I think it'll be between JD and Rubio.

02:26:55.000 You see Trump putting them against each other all the time right now.

02:26:58.000 It's really fun to watch play out.

02:27:01.000 I would be fine with either one.

02:27:04.000 Vance was always my guy, and I think I would be happy either way.

02:27:07.000 Watching Little Marco become what Marco really is.

02:27:11.000 Little Marco.

02:27:12.000 We've come a long way to Little Marco.

02:27:13.000 Good job. 1.00

02:27:14.000 Lion diplomat.

02:27:15.000 One of the best.

02:27:16.000 It's insane watching him just go out there and do it.

02:27:18.000 This is his element as bureaucrat.

02:27:20.000 That's really insane.

02:27:22.000 I still don't know if he's still ganging at Marco when it comes to presidential politics.

02:27:25.000 It makes me a little nervous.

02:27:26.000 Someone unrelated, there's a funny meme where they said, it was a post on Reddit, you're allowed to create one new chess piece.

02:27:32.000 What would you make?

02:27:33.000 I've seen that one.

02:27:34.000 And someone said, the bureaucrat.

02:27:35.000 It can move to any square on the board, but can't take any pieces.

02:27:38.000 It just gets in the way.

02:27:39.000 Yeah.

02:27:40.000 That's actually a good one.

02:27:42.000 That's an interesting piece, you know?

02:27:44.000 You can put it where it's not.

02:27:45.000 Yeah, that's a great idea.

02:27:46.000 It just gets in the way.

02:27:48.000 It gets a square out.

02:27:49.000 You want to add anything to that, brother, or shout anything out?

02:27:53.000 Uh, yeah, I'll do a shout out.

02:27:55.000 Uh, you can check out my prepper group, uh, on X at BSP underscore prepper that is the black sheet prepper.

02:28:03.000 And uh, y'all have a good evening.

02:28:05.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:28:07.000 Next up, we've got Hades Hell Scare.

02:28:10.000 Oh, scary name.

02:28:11.000 Oh, DD character.

02:28:13.000 What up, Hades?

02:28:15.000 Thanks for the uh name, by the way, Tim.

02:28:18.000 Uh, it was uh, during the Democrat quote unquote state of the union.

02:28:24.000 Your comment sounded like she said hell scare with the foreign representative.

02:28:31.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 I mean, I do that with a lot of these names because it's kind of fun.

02:28:36.000 But so, how's everybody doing tonight?

02:28:40.000 Justin, glad to see you.

02:28:41.000 I got to take a piss.

02:28:43.000 Okay.

02:28:44.000 Yeah.

02:28:45.000 I want to hear your question, though.

02:28:46.000 I'll do it.

02:28:48.000 I know, but I want to hear you first.

02:28:48.000 You got to go.

02:28:50.000 So, Gigo.

02:28:52.000 What can I, as an everyday driver, do to point out these companies hiring illegal and barely legal drivers to the administration?

02:28:59.000 Oh, great question.

02:29:01.000 So there is ICE has, again, when you see a truck on the road, you have no knowledge whether or not that driver is here in the country legally or illegally.

02:29:12.000 What I would suggest to you is take a photo of that truck and upload it to a website called searchcarriers.com.

02:29:19.000 It will pull up all the information on that truck.

02:29:22.000 Copy the address of that trucking company and then put it in the search and see if there are additional trucking companies registered at that address.

02:29:29.000 That's like your interesting.

02:29:31.000 That's like your red flag Numer Una right there.

02:29:34.000 If you don't want to do the copy and paste stuff, there is like a paid tier and it will do the connection stuff for you.

02:29:39.000 But that's basically been the way I operate through this. 0.90

02:29:42.000 If I'm on the highway and I see an Amazon truck, I photograph every fucking Amazon truck I see. 0.97

02:29:47.000 And it's about a 75% hit rate. 0.98

02:29:47.000 Patriot. 0.98

02:29:49.000 Wow.

02:29:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:29:50.000 Amazon, their entire network is inundated with these chameleon carriers.

02:29:54.000 So, yeah, if you have suspicions, you can also contact your local business board or tag me.

02:29:54.000 Wow.

02:30:02.000 If you're on Twitter, tag me.

02:30:04.000 Everything that I post, I'm not kidding you.

02:30:06.000 Sean Duffy and Derek Bars at the FMCSA see everything that I post.

02:30:09.000 Yeah.

02:30:10.000 Patreon.

02:30:12.000 Well, that kind of answers the next part of the question.

02:30:15.000 How can we get the administration to focus the scalpel on those companies? 0.95

02:30:20.000 Believe it or not, constantly shitposting them on Twitter.

02:30:23.000 What's been amazing with this? 0.94

02:30:25.000 At least this Trump administration, if you are loud enough and you are bringing receipts, somebody will reach out to you.

02:30:33.000 I never in my wildest dreams would ever imagine, never imagine like Pete Buttigieg reaching out and being like, yo, what the fuck's up with these trucking companies?

02:30:41.000 Sean Duffy has not reached out to me.

02:30:42.000 Derek Barrs has not reached out to me.

02:30:43.000 Well, I talked to Derek Barrs at Match last year, but people within that organization do reach out and say, what can we do?

02:30:50.000 What can we look into?

02:30:51.000 I've had conversations with people at ICE, at Border Patrol.

02:30:51.000 Wow.

02:30:55.000 I tell all the guys at Border Patrol, You have one guy sitting in a booth that has to screen 500 trucks every single day.

02:31:01.000 He can only look at maybe 20 if he's lucky during his shift.

02:31:04.000 So, to figure out what trucks you need to look at versus just kind of let go, I gave him some tips on like what ones to really look into.

02:31:12.000 Patriot.

02:31:13.000 Yeah.

02:31:14.000 What sort of punishments would you recommend for these illegal companies?

02:31:18.000 Oh, mass.

02:31:20.000 So, you know, the floggings.

02:31:23.000 The MAGA crowd is always like mass deportations, mass deportations.

02:31:26.000 My philosophy is mass denaturalization.

02:31:30.000 And then mass deportation.

02:31:31.000 Most of these trucking company owners have been in the country long enough that they are naturalized citizens, but if they are caught committing fraud at this scale, they need to be debanked, denaturalized, and deported immediately.

02:31:42.000 Yeah, totally agree.

02:31:44.000 So, seizing all the assets of the company, too.

02:31:46.000 That sounds good.

02:31:47.000 What's that?

02:31:49.000 Seizing all the assets of this company.

02:31:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:51.000 100%.

02:31:51.000 Letters of Mark and Reprisal for the U.S. trucking industry.

02:31:56.000 Patriot.

02:31:58.000 Exactly.

02:31:59.000 And lastly, how do we prevent this from happening again in the long term?

02:32:03.000 I understand, you know, administration to administration, things are going to change and things, you know, like all the executive orders that Biden put in were in direct counter to all of Trump's, and then Trump reverses it.

02:32:20.000 How do we get it for the long term?

02:32:22.000 Right.

02:32:22.000 So, right now, there actually is a bill in front of the House and the Senate, Delilah's Law.

02:32:28.000 It will tighten down.

02:32:29.000 It's not a new regulation or anything.

02:32:32.000 It's a law, so it's going to be a lot harder for something that to get overturned in the next administration.

02:32:38.000 If they can pass Delilah's law, it heavily restricts the issuances of CDLs. 0.86

02:32:44.000 Non US citizens, there's literally like two cohorts that can do it.

02:32:50.000 It's a very, very small group of like very temporary agriculture workers, and that's it.

02:32:56.000 And it also bans the usage of foreign dispatch services.

02:33:00.000 How they enforce that part, I got no idea.

02:33:01.000 I'm just thrilled that it's even in there.

02:33:03.000 But yeah, pass Delilah's Law and raise the barrier to entry.

02:33:08.000 It is absolutely insane that you could be a guy with a laptop in France and with a couple keystrokes in half an hour open up a trucking company in the US.

02:33:17.000 No other industry in the US has that lower.

02:33:20.000 And there's just all these accidents.

02:33:21.000 You keep seeing them.

02:33:22.000 Like there's another one recently.

02:33:23.000 Yeah.

02:33:24.000 We're almost once or twice a month now.

02:33:26.000 There's like a high profile fatal wreck that's like caught on video.

02:33:30.000 And over 5,000 people a year are killed on US highways involving accidents with trucks, whether the car crashed into the truck or the truck crashed into the car.

02:33:39.000 But because now there's like so many dash cams in the trucks now, all this footage is coming out and people are really starting to see this horrific footage.

02:33:45.000 Or the dude who couldn't read English.

02:33:47.000 Many of that too.

02:33:47.000 Yeah.

02:33:48.000 I love reading posts from large Twitter accounts where they'll retweet some headline involving trucking and they're like, wait, this isn't going on.

02:33:56.000 I'm like, you have no idea.

02:33:58.000 It's so much worse than you do.

02:34:00.000 Have you done a mini doc about all this stuff?

02:34:01.000 Yeah.

02:34:02.000 So part of why I'm here is a mutual friend, Adam Coleman.

02:34:05.000 He reached out to me to help on an article he was writing.

02:34:07.000 And so I just gave him all the dirt on trucking and he's like, this is insane.

02:34:12.000 And I said, you're absolutely right.

02:34:14.000 The day he was submitting that article to his editor was when the wreck in Indiana happened. 0.94

02:34:19.000 The van of Amish guys got smeared. 0.58

02:34:21.000 So he's like, I got to completely rework this article.

02:34:23.000 I want to get a quote from you.

02:34:25.000 Because what was horseshit about that accident was Sean Duffy himself retweeted libs of TikTok with a video of that carrier swapping the signs out.

02:34:34.000 So they knew about this carrier like a month and a half before this accident.

02:34:38.000 They had plenty of time to get guys on the ground to knock on some doors and say, Hey, can we see your paperwork?

02:34:43.000 What's going on here? 0.94

02:34:44.000 This was part of a massive Uzbekistan chameleon carry network based out of Chicago. 0.83

02:34:48.000 And there are maybe one out of like literal thousands in the area. 0.95

02:34:53.000 And they had.

02:34:54.000 Ample warning to save those guys' lives, and they did nothing, and now five people are dead.

02:34:59.000 But that one is 100%. 0.99

02:35:00.000 It seems like every industry, when you get granular with it, is fucking broken. 0.99

02:35:07.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:35:08.000 So you talk to somebody who's in trucking and you learn about how bad it really is.

02:35:08.000 Right?

02:35:12.000 But I think the same is true for every industry right now.

02:35:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:35:15.000 Especially with trucking, it gets even worse with the foreign ownership because once I started screeching about trucking enough, People would come to me with like rumors about, you know, oh, we hear, you know, the military loads are getting kind of squirrely. 1.00

02:35:30.000 And I'm like, what? 0.61

02:35:31.000 Because I used to haul what's called AAE freight, arms, ammunitions, and explosives.

02:35:36.000 So I was a DOD contractor.

02:35:37.000 I'd go to military bases. 0.98

02:35:38.000 We'd deliver bombs, explosives, munitions, all kinds of cool shit. 0.97

02:35:43.000 And so I knew that industry inside and out. 0.98

02:35:46.000 And to even hear like rumors about that kind of shit, I'm like, people's careers need to be evaporated. 0.93

02:35:53.000 And eventually, two executives from a trucking company that were in that space came to me with a bunch of receipts. 0.99

02:35:58.000 And I was like, Holy shit. 0.99

02:36:00.000 Wow. 1.00

02:36:00.000 I'll give you an example. 1.00

02:36:01.000 There's a guy in Kenya who owns a trucking company in South Carolina that's one pickup truck.

02:36:08.000 And somehow this guy is getting like 200 loads a month out of this one pickup truck.

02:36:13.000 And so he's getting awarded all these military contracts, the whole military freight.

02:36:17.000 But when you look at his company activity on GenLogs, this like trucking visibility platform that has cameras all over the United States, no movement, none whatsoever.

02:36:28.000 So what this guy's doing is he's taking.

02:36:31.000 He's getting awarded contracts to haul military freight, and then he's brokering those loads out to outside carriers.

02:36:36.000 So, and that alone is like scary enough.

02:36:39.000 But again, we don't know what kind of electronic logging devices these carriers that are hauling this freight are using.

02:36:45.000 So, Every time I talk to guys in the administration or in the military about what's going on, they're always like, okay, yeah, that's a little squirrely.

02:36:53.000 And I'm like, no, you don't understand.

02:36:54.000 It gets even worse because all that data of the truck movement is being monitored by guys overseas.

02:37:00.000 So all they got to do, just like how the OP load got stolen or Guy Fieri had his tequila stolen, these guys are watching military loads get moved around all over the United States.

02:37:09.000 And say we need to go kinetic on Iran next time or another country, all they got to do is look at the volume of military loads being shipped around the country.

02:37:17.000 And they know before we even have boots on the ground. 0.76

02:37:20.000 Because we got to supply those guys first.

02:37:22.000 And it's just every time we've brought this up, some of these things, you sound insane when you start ranting on this stuff. 0.99

02:37:30.000 But even people in the administration are like, this is fucked up. 0.99

02:37:34.000 We got to really take care of it. 0.99

02:37:35.000 But then Minneapolis burns down or some other bigger headline pops up and they've been kicking this can down the line. 0.99

02:37:42.000 So we're really fortunate that these guys that are doing this shit, all they want to do for right now, all they want to do is haul the freight. 0.99

02:37:49.000 It's very easy, it pays very well. 1.00

02:37:50.000 They're not stupid enough to fuck with it right now. 1.00

02:37:52.000 I'm worried about when enough of these guys are in the space that they do want to start fucking with it and then we get run for it. 1.00

02:37:59.000 Jeez, dude. 0.98

02:38:00.000 I think we're largely screwed because of population, but that's just everything.

02:38:04.000 Hey, did you want to add anything to that?

02:38:06.000 Shout anything out?

02:38:08.000 One last quick question.

02:38:09.000 Could you shout out that site that you talked about earlier, the one where you report trucking companies?

02:38:14.000 Yeah, searchcarriers.com.

02:38:17.000 Searchcarriers.com.

02:38:19.000 Yes, sir.

02:38:20.000 Thank you.

02:38:21.000 Well, thank you, my fellow steering wheel holder. 1.00

02:38:24.000 God bless you and keep her shiny side up.

02:38:27.000 And Tim, thanks to all you guys and the crew.

02:38:31.000 God bless.

02:38:31.000 Y'all have a great night.

02:38:32.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:38:33.000 Thank you.

02:38:34.000 Next up, we've got Tiny Tree Hands.

02:38:38.000 What's going on?

02:38:39.000 What's up, Tiny Tree Hands?

02:38:40.000 TTH.

02:38:41.000 What's up?

02:38:42.000 How are you guys doing tonight?

02:38:43.000 I'm doing all right.

02:38:43.000 Hey, man.

02:38:44.000 I'm doing all right.

02:38:44.000 I don't piss.

02:38:46.000 Excellent.

02:38:46.000 I feel great.

02:38:47.000 I kind of have to take a piss too, Ian.

02:38:49.000 Must be something going on.

02:38:50.000 Blood pressure's going to go down.

02:38:51.000 Birds of a feather.

02:38:52.000 Am I right?

02:38:52.000 Yeah.

02:38:53.000 I go one step ahead.

02:38:54.000 I've been sipping this.

02:38:55.000 Animal.

02:38:56.000 It's good.

02:38:56.000 Animal.

02:38:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:38:58.000 You practice, though, because we're talking a piss holding contest.

02:39:02.000 He'd win.

02:39:03.000 What's good, man?

02:39:04.000 Yeah.

02:39:05.000 So, my question for you guys is there's a couple YouTube channels that have been really exposing this as well.

02:39:12.000 Bonehead truckers being the primary one that I watch.

02:39:15.000 But there's a ton of these accidents that are taking place all across America that are making national headlines that are involving H 1B visa drivers as well as illegal drivers.

02:39:27.000 Is it time now to conduct a 24 to 48 hour safety stand down, just shut trucking down for 24 to 48 hours to examine everything and clean it up?

02:39:38.000 Well, first, shout out to Ike.

02:39:39.000 I know Bonehead.

02:39:40.000 He's a good dude.

02:39:42.000 I've been advocating for like forever that we need to have ICE agents at way stations.

02:39:46.000 The way stations need to be open 24 7.

02:39:50.000 When you go on the highways today, when you're driving during the day, you don't really see too many of these guys.

02:39:54.000 But as soon as the sun goes down and the way stations close, they're everywhere.

02:39:58.000 It's nothing but auto haulers and Amazon trailers, as far as I can see. 0.97

02:40:01.000 So these guys aren't stupid. 0.86

02:40:02.000 They know when the way stations are open. 0.88

02:40:04.000 They have Telegram groups and Google chats that alert them to when.

02:40:09.000 Explain the function of the way station because I'm not familiar.

02:40:11.000 So.

02:40:12.000 By federal law, unless you have special permits, the truck cannot weigh more than 80,000 pounds gross.

02:40:18.000 So, the weight of the truck, the trailer, and the load that's in it all together cannot be over 80,000 pounds.

02:40:24.000 So, all over the United States highway, interstate highway system, we have weigh stations.

02:40:28.000 So, you're in the truck, you're driving down the highway, the scale says open.

02:40:33.000 So, you pull in.

02:40:34.000 You have to pull in if it's open?

02:40:36.000 Yeah, you have to pull in.

02:40:37.000 There are exemptions.

02:40:38.000 If you have like a pre-pass, if you pay into this network and they might have like a pre-scale before you get to the scale, if everything checks out, you get a green light.

02:40:46.000 You're away, you go.

02:40:47.000 Uh, but for the unlucky few who have to go into the way station, the officer will have you pull up onto a scale, it'll weigh you.

02:40:54.000 And if everything checks out, you don't have any hoses falling off, they don't hear any air leaks, you're good.

02:40:58.000 You're gonna go.

02:40:59.000 If they do catch something, it's okay, driver, pull around, pull around back, bring your paperwork in. 0.77

02:41:04.000 And that's where these guys are getting popped in like Arkansas, where you know they roll up, the paperwork is out of order, or like the registration on the truck isn't right, and then they can't even talk to the officers because the guy's from China and he's been fresh off the boat for six weeks. 0.98

02:41:18.000 Damn. 0.98

02:41:18.000 Wow. 0.98

02:41:19.000 Yeah.

02:41:20.000 So Oklahoma is one of the first states.

02:41:22.000 Just real quick, every truck has to pull into a way station every time.

02:41:25.000 If it's open, yeah.

02:41:25.000 Except for.

02:41:26.000 Wow.

02:41:26.000 Yeah.

02:41:27.000 If you try to bypass the scale or get around it, if there's a DOT cop, it's an easy.

02:41:31.000 My only reference is Super Troopers.

02:41:32.000 You've seen it?

02:41:33.000 Yeah.

02:41:33.000 The beginning when he's like, you missed that way station back then.

02:41:35.000 I was like, did I miss that one?

02:41:36.000 I've been hauling.

02:41:38.000 What was his name?

02:41:38.000 Gala Canucus or something?

02:41:40.000 They're making Super Troopers 3, by the way.

02:41:42.000 My bad.

02:41:44.000 My first job I ever had was working at a movie theater.

02:41:46.000 Oh, me too.

02:41:47.000 I was working there when Super Troopers was there.

02:41:49.000 Every cop in Palm Beach County would come to my theater to watch it.

02:41:52.000 Oh, it's such a good movie.

02:41:53.000 Yeah.

02:41:54.000 But so, Oklahoma. 0.99

02:41:56.000 So, when you hear about like Sean Duffy or DOT bragging about X number of drivers being taken out of service because they can't speak English, it's a fucking parking ticket. 0.97

02:42:03.000 Like, these guys are immediately back in the truck and rolling again. 0.95

02:42:05.000 Unless they're taken out of the truck and having their immigration status checked and then put through a detention center, they don't stop.

02:42:12.000 It doesn't shut them down. 0.73

02:42:14.000 Oklahoma is an exemption.

02:42:16.000 They have partnered with ICE, with their DOT, and they run these operations called Operation Guardian every couple of weeks or months.

02:42:24.000 The very first time they ran one last year, it lasted three days and only three days because they ran out of room.

02:42:31.000 Within the span of three days, it was like 159 trucks that they had in custody and all their drivers, and they just ran out of room.

02:42:38.000 So they keep doing this operation every few months.

02:42:41.000 Now, Mark Wayne Mullen, the new head of ICE, I'm really bullish on him.

02:42:46.000 I think he's going to start expanding the operations that they've done in Oklahoma to other states, and we're going to see some heavy enforcement going forward.

02:42:53.000 Because that's always been.

02:42:54.000 What everybody in the industry has been waiting on is like, okay, all these new rules, these new regulations are all coming into effect, but where's the enforcement?

02:43:00.000 Like, we don't have enough boots on the ground.

02:43:02.000 We don't have enough bodies to throw at the problem.

02:43:04.000 Now they do.

02:43:05.000 With the big, beautiful bill, we had $187 billion in immigration enforcement, $80 billion going directly to ICE.

02:43:11.000 That's a lot of cash on the table for the states.

02:43:13.000 And I think if the states want any of that pile of cash, they're going to have to go through.

02:43:18.000 I don't know if there's a legal term for it, but they can basically be deputized into ICE, their law enforcement.

02:43:25.000 Because for years and years and years, if I'm a DOT cop and I pull a driver over, I'm a DOT cop.

02:43:31.000 I'm not ICE, I'm not INS.

02:43:34.000 Whether that guy's in the country or not legally, that's not my thing.

02:43:37.000 If my buddy is next to me, he's an ICE agent, he wants to check him, by all means, but it's not my job.

02:43:42.000 That's so common in government thinking, it's not my job.

02:43:46.000 I'm also a former postal worker, too.

02:43:48.000 So we would see that everywhere.

02:43:50.000 Hmm.

02:43:56.000 You want to add anything or shout anything out?

02:43:58.000 Well, yeah, man.

02:44:00.000 Actually, if you don't mind.

02:44:02.000 My son is a musician.

02:44:04.000 I've called him before.

02:44:05.000 We actually just put a YouTube page out together for him.

02:44:09.000 It's Master QDHF Music on YouTube.

02:44:17.000 He's in six different bands now.

02:44:20.000 He's a drummer, a bassist, and a singer.

02:44:22.000 If everybody could check it out.

02:44:24.000 And one last thing in honor of 420, everybody that's in the Frederick, Maryland area, check out AW Smoke Shop.

02:44:31.000 Used to be Willie Smoke Shop in the 300 block of North Market Street.

02:44:35.000 And stop in and see my man.

02:44:39.000 Right on, brother.

02:44:40.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:44:41.000 Shout out to Frederick.

02:44:42.000 Yeah, have a good night, guys.

02:44:43.000 See you, man.

02:44:44.000 Next up, we've got Brandon Brown.

02:44:46.000 What's up, brother?

02:44:47.000 What up?

02:44:48.000 Oh, not a whole lot.

02:44:49.000 How are you guys doing tonight?

02:44:50.000 Oh, so good.

02:44:52.000 Going good.

02:44:52.000 Good, good.

02:44:54.000 So, my question is for the guest.

02:44:56.000 Name I forgot.

02:44:58.000 Justin, how are you doing?

02:44:59.000 To what?

02:45:01.000 Pretty good.

02:45:02.000 To what degree have truckers that were forced out of the business during the Biden administration gone and what level of pay is going to bring them back in? 0.96

02:45:11.000 Damn good question. 0.85

02:45:13.000 Turnover in the industry has always been a problem. 0.97

02:45:16.000 If you have a CDL, you'll never be out of a job.

02:45:19.000 Most guys hop from job to job.

02:45:23.000 I think the difference today is that a lot of new people that come into the industry.

02:45:27.000 When they wash out, they just wash out of trucking, period.

02:45:30.000 It's a lifestyle.

02:45:31.000 It's not a job.

02:45:32.000 And I think far too many people come into this thinking that it's going to be a job.

02:45:38.000 Most of the carriers that went bankrupt post the COVID boom, they're just not coming back.

02:45:47.000 It's going to have to be new people coming into the industry and growing their own fleets that really take over.

02:45:54.000 Well, I mean, speaking of new people coming in, in the federal prison system, the most popular.

02:46:01.000 Programming classes, the written portion of the truck driving class, you see a lot of the former inmates following through and actually getting their CDL.

02:46:09.000 And how are they doing?

02:46:12.000 Very bad.

02:46:14.000 The prison to trucker pipeline is like one of my biggest pet peeves because most of those programs are basically just like a money laundering front from the states because, again, they're all operating under the assumption that there's a truck driver shortage.

02:46:27.000 There is not, has never been, and never could possibly be a perpetual nationwide truck driver shortage in the U.S.

02:46:34.000 We issue more than 450,000 CDLs every single year.

02:46:38.000 And again, there's only half a million trucking companies in the US.

02:46:42.000 So every time you see one of these programs, it's a push by lobbyists at places like the ATA that are just trying to flood the market with more capacity and bring down wages.

02:46:54.000 Oh, okay.

02:46:56.000 I mean, I thought it was kind of a good thing because you see this programming and you want people to get into work.

02:47:01.000 Yeah, on paper, it makes sense because it's like, okay, we want to lower the rate of recidivism and we've got to get these guys a job somewhere.

02:47:07.000 But what you don't realize is that most of these trucking companies, depending on where you're going, if you have a felony on your record, they're not going to let you inside the facility.

02:47:15.000 So, any kind of real money that you're going to make in trucking, as far as like hazmat freight or sensitive cargo, those avenues are completely blocked from you.

02:47:25.000 You know, if you're lucky and you can get a job in like waste management somewhere, Or a construction site where you have to use a CDL, that's a good path.

02:47:32.000 But for the most part, a lot of these like prison, the trucking pipelines, it's just a mega carrier somewhere that's needing more bodies because everyone keeps quitting because they're not paying enough because there are too many truck drivers.

02:47:45.000 Well, I mean, that really well answers my question.

02:47:45.000 All right.

02:47:48.000 Thanks for the question.

02:47:49.000 I wish I had another follow up because I was quick, but you guys have a great evening.

02:47:54.000 Thank you.

02:47:54.000 It's been a great show.

02:47:55.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:47:57.000 Speaking of 420, truck drivers can't partake.

02:48:01.000 It's probably good.

02:48:01.000 It is illegal.

02:48:03.000 I disagree.

02:48:04.000 I've always vehemently said, you know, what you do on your own time and your own dime is your business.

02:48:09.000 I, as a truck driver, can go to a bar and get blackout drunk, wait eight hours, and get

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 20, 2026

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