Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Youtube Loses MASSIVE Lawsuit, This Will END Independent Media | Timcast IRL

00:02:46.000 This is it, boys.

00:02:47.000 A landmark case against Meta and YouTube, arguing that they are responsible for their algorithms and the addictive nature of these platforms.

00:02:58.000 They have been ordered to pay $3 million in damages.

00:03:02.000 Not only do we have this landmark case, but another fine issued in New Mexico for $375 million to Facebook over harm to children.

00:03:11.000 Now, what does this mean?

00:03:12.000 If YouTube is liable not for the content, but for the delivery mechanism itself, then there is no delivery mechanism they can have.

00:03:22.000 That means content must just be without algorithm based on you subscribing, and that's what you get.

00:03:29.000 Discovery has to be organic.

00:03:31.000 Now, I don't know how this will play out, but we did just have a hearing on Section 230 a week or so ago, and that is the protection that allows it or that shields these platforms from liability if a third party makes a comment on their platform.

00:03:46.000 So, let's say I say something like that that the AG in Virginia tried to kick a dog, right?

00:03:51.000 He can't sue YouTube for it because I'm the one who said it.

00:03:55.000 The truth is, he actually did try to kick a dog, so I didn't make that up anyway, and the truth is an absolute defense.

00:04:00.000 But what's interesting now is, based on what we are seeing and arguments being made, Section 230 may get blown up, which is a component in ending the independent media space on social media and turning the clock back to a time when there were only a handful of channels and a handful of approved commentators.

00:04:17.000 I think that's where we're going to be going.

00:04:18.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:04:19.000 Plus, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to the moon.

00:04:21.000 NASA has announced $20 billion to go to the moon, build a moon base.

00:04:26.000 So we're going to talk about that stuff.

00:04:28.000 And then, yeah, I guess there's Iran war stuff.

00:04:31.000 Allies are like, okay, Trump will help you.

00:04:33.000 But I just, we're so tired of talking about it.

00:04:36.000 And it's kind of scary because it's war.

00:04:39.000 And there are weird prophecies about what's going to happen.

00:04:42.000 A comet is about to graze the sun and explode.

00:04:45.000 Most people haven't heard this.

00:04:46.000 It's crazy.

00:04:47.000 You might be able to actually see this in the sky early April.

00:04:51.000 And then people are talking about this guy who claims he was abducted by aliens.

00:04:55.000 And he said years ago, it's like 12 years ago, he said, in April of 2026, Israel and Iran will be firing missiles at each other and then orbs will rise from the ocean.

00:05:04.000 I'm not kidding.

00:05:05.000 This interview actually exists and people are freaking out about it.

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00:05:08.000 And of course, the new trailer for Harry Potter came out and everyone's wondering how Black Snape is.

00:05:12.000 The answer is very.

00:05:14.000 And we'll address that as well.

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00:06:49.000 Joining us to talk about everything and more is Mike Benz.

00:06:53.000 Hello.

00:06:54.000 Who are you?

00:06:55.000 What do you do?

00:06:55.000 I'm Mike Benz.

00:06:57.000 I advocate for free speech on the internet.

00:07:01.000 I like free speech on the internet.

00:07:02.000 That's a good thing.

00:07:03.000 Well, glad to have you.

00:07:04.000 Thank you.

00:07:05.000 Actually, I will also mention you've exposed a conspiracy against me.

00:07:08.000 Yes.

00:07:08.000 I think, what is it?

00:07:09.000 The Atlantic Council?

00:07:11.000 You were targeted by the Election Integrity Partnership, the Atlanta Council, the University of Washington, the Stanford Airman Observatory.

00:07:17.000 Oh, it's worse than I thought.

00:07:19.000 They did a whole presentation about how you were the origin point of a malinformation incident during the 2020 election cycle, and they tracked it was about ballot harvesting, right?

00:07:32.000 It's about ballot harvesting, which is completely true. 0.99

00:07:34.000 Yes.

00:07:34.000 That's crazy.

00:07:35.000 But that's the thing about malinformation.

00:07:37.000 It started off with disinformation, and then they tried to distinguish miss and dis.

00:07:41.000 And they said, you know what happens when something is true and we can't even engineer a fake fact checked fact check.

00:07:50.000 It's just true.

00:07:51.000 But if people know this is true, they'll think this thing we don't want them to think.

00:07:56.000 Like if they know that there's a myocarditis risk because the CDC published a peer-reviewed study on this or PubMed, well, that's going to be malinformation.

00:08:07.000 It's the same thing with like the ballot harvesting.

00:08:09.000 Yes, it's true that it happened, but if you believe that, it will lead you to think the election's not secure.

00:08:15.000 And so therefore, you're contributing to the narrative.

00:08:18.000 My whole point was ballot harvesting is largely legal.

00:08:21.000 It's a strategy that should be utilized by Republicans.

00:08:21.000 It's allowed.

00:08:23.000 And they're like, uh-oh, he's figured out how he's going to help the Republicans win.

00:08:27.000 Let's lie about it.

00:08:28.000 Thanks for coming.

00:08:29.000 We talk all about it.

00:08:29.000 This should be very interesting.

00:08:30.000 We got Elad hanging out, of course.

00:08:32.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:08:32.000 What's up?

00:08:33.000 Ian and Carter are hanging out as well.

00:08:36.000 Greetings.

00:08:36.000 What up?

00:08:37.000 Let's jump to this story from NBC News.

00:08:39.000 Jury finds Meta and YouTube negligent in landmark lawsuit on social media safety.

00:08:45.000 The jurors award the plaintiff $3 million in damages, finding Meta 70% responsible for harm caused to her, and YouTube responsible for 30%.

00:08:54.000 They say that the LA County Superior Court jury said that Meta's and YouTube's negligence were a substantial factor in causing harm to the plaintiff.

00:09:01.000 It awarded them the money.

00:09:02.000 We know this.

00:09:03.000 The trial began last month in LA County, which included testimony from Mark Zuckerberg and other tech executives, was the first in a consolidated group of cases brought against Meta and other companies by more than 1,600 plaintiffs, including over 350 families and over 250 school districts.

00:09:20.000 Guys, what they're basically saying is that YouTube and Meta knew their platform was addictive and harmful to children.

00:09:28.000 We also heard this from TechCrunch just the other day.

00:09:31.000 New Mexico just handed Meta its first courtroom defeat over child safety, and the rest of the country is watching.

00:09:37.000 A jury in Santa Fe on Tuesday ordered Meta to pay $375 million in civil penalties after finding the company misled consumers about the safety of its platforms and endangered children.

00:09:48.000 So where does this go?

00:09:49.000 It's actually quite simple.

00:09:50.000 If YouTube and Meta are responsible, not for the content, but for the mechanism by which they are delivered, they'll have to delete the algorithms.

00:09:58.000 I believe this is step one in overturning, removing the independent media space, shutting it down.

00:10:04.000 Where the future will go?

00:10:06.000 Well, the first thing I'll say is, I'm going to let you in on a secret.

00:10:09.000 I have actually been in communication.

00:10:10.000 I've told you guys this already a million times.

00:10:12.000 I've been in contact with media companies, executives, C-suite guys at media companies who have outright told me the future is going to be Peacock, Paramounts.

00:10:24.000 It's going to be Netflix, Amazon Prime.

00:10:27.000 YouTube will be there, but YouTube will effectively be like any one of these other companies.

00:10:33.000 The idea that you or anyone else can start your own media business is over.

00:10:38.000 And this lawsuit is step one.

00:10:40.000 We had a hearing a week or so ago in Congress over Section 230.

00:10:44.000 Nobody talked about it because it's kind of a tired issue.

00:10:47.000 But the end result is going to be if you'll sign up to YouTube and you'll see, I'll make an account and you'll submit for approval and you'll wait and they'll vet you and ask for your ID and say, if we approve you, you can make content.

00:11:00.000 And then you will and nobody will be able to see Because they won't be able to create any algorithmic delivery mechanism.

00:11:06.000 Only those who have the money to advertise and do paid placements will be seen.

00:11:12.000 So everything that we think we know about the media space now, I think we're going back to a time when it was just a handful of broadcasters and the machine state is going to choose who is allowed to speak and who is not.

00:11:25.000 You might be able to install a setup like some video games have pay or like play to pay.

00:11:31.000 Like you can pay 20 bucks a month or you can play the game to earn the currency in the game to pay the monthly fee.

00:11:37.000 And if you could do that with like internet, so either the rich could pay to promote their stuff or if you use the website enough, you generate enough internal activity that you can use that to pay for your advertisement and keep up with, so like the power users can keep up with the money men.

00:11:52.000 That would be a possibility.

00:11:53.000 Also, I think decentralized tech and mesh networking, like now's the time to start really drilling that in because if we wait until they say you can't do it, it's going to be a lot more annoying than if we get it installed now and everyone controls their own media, uploads their own, has their own server on board, and then people can follow them and cross network narratives and things like that.

00:12:13.000 I think this case is really about how, as a society, we're struggling to deal with the impact of social media and how it affects not only our youth, but even adults.

00:12:22.000 And in this case, there was some nine-year-old who was using all the social media apps and she blames them now for her mental health crises that she has.

00:12:30.000 She said she struggled with her self-image as a result of beauty filters used on installments.

00:12:35.000 That's true.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, and I could understand how that would affect young women.

00:12:38.000 And it's also been a platform for kids to bully one another.

00:12:42.000 And I think there is something to be said about how the youth is affected by things like endless scroll on a lot of these apps and other addictive features that exist.

00:12:51.000 But we do need a way like the freedom that these apps have to exist.

00:12:55.000 Obviously, she didn't use the terms and conditions correctly because she wasn't of age and she shouldn't have hypothetically been allowed on there.

00:13:01.000 But then again, it was very easy to bypass.

00:13:04.000 I think we're struggling as a society with that issue.

00:13:06.000 And also, as far as this case goes, though, I don't see a case in which they don't appeal this and it'll probably make its way up to the Supreme Court.

00:13:12.000 Mike, maybe you have thoughts on that.

00:13:14.000 I was going to add just real quick, did you see that X has begun rolling out the region filter?

00:13:17.000 I don't know if I haven't seen it.

00:13:19.000 I saw people talking about it.

00:13:20.000 I don't know if it's actually been rolled out.

00:13:21.000 Have you seen this?

00:13:22.000 I think from what I saw, Elon replied to Nikita Beer, the product head, saying that they're taking feedback under consideration after some feedback and criticism of how that regional policy might impact monetization for folks by given the point.

00:13:48.000 Right.

00:13:49.000 But there was, I think there's concern that the international audience may be disproportionately nuked.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:58.000 If you are in Bangladesh, you will never see another word from me. 1.00

00:14:02.000 Nor will you be able to reply.

00:14:03.000 I will disappear from existence.

00:14:05.000 Oh, you can auto-block different countries?

00:14:07.000 So I've seen a few posts from people claiming they have the feature that it's – I've seen people claiming they have the dislike button.

00:14:14.000 I don't have that.

00:14:15.000 But I saw a handful of posts from people and they were like, it's a list of countries.

00:14:18.000 It's like, who may see this post?

00:14:20.000 And you choose the countries where you want it to appear.

00:14:22.000 I don't know if that's real because I don't have it.

00:14:24.000 Right.

00:14:25.000 I don't know either.

00:14:26.000 What I saw is Elon reply to a reply to Nikita saying this is disproportionately impacting.

00:14:36.000 I'm a French person and I use this platform every day and it's a source of income.

00:14:41.000 Because of the filters, this is basically going to have a disproportionately negative impact on me being outside the United States and hear the following reasons and presented a pretty internally consistent argument about it.

00:14:58.000 And Elon replied and said something like, thanks for the feedback.

00:15:02.000 We're still considering this policy.

00:15:05.000 There are a few issues to consider.

00:15:06.000 I mean, if you're an American who's in another country, are you going to block that from seeing anything?

00:15:10.000 That could be weird.

00:15:11.000 But the problem I have is, I do not want replies from Bangladeshis pretending to be Native Americans. 1.00

00:15:16.000 That's not a joke.

00:15:17.000 That's an actual thing that's been happening.

00:15:19.000 There's a bunch of Bangladesh.

00:15:20.000 Senators pretending to be Native Americans.

00:15:22.000 Yes, that's also bad, but that's a one-of-one instance.

00:15:25.000 With the Bangladeshis, it's like a million times. 1.00

00:15:28.000 And again, literally, people uncovered when they rolled out the region identifier feature, like probably dozens of Native American accounts saying things like white people stole our land, but it was Bangladeshis exploiting cultural issues. 0.89

00:15:41.000 I mean, could you imagine?

00:15:42.000 Could you imagine, Mike, if there was like, say, a dude who was just tweeting incessantly about American politics, but he lived like, I don't know, in Malaysia or something.

00:15:48.000 Don't drag me into this.

00:15:50.000 That'd be nice.

00:15:50.000 I do this every look.

00:15:53.000 It's a reference to Ian Miles John.

00:15:55.000 But look, at the same time, okay.

00:15:57.000 Don't drag me into this.

00:15:58.000 Okay.

00:15:58.000 All right.

00:15:59.000 At the same time, I'm an American who speaks prolifically about elections that happen in other countries.

00:16:08.000 And I do this from an American perspective, but I am, you know, I have a platform.

00:16:15.000 When I say something about what's happening in Hungary or what's happening in Spain or Germany or France, there are news headlines about it that will say former State Department official Mike Benz, you know, said this, and that becomes a like a story or ignites a scandal in a foreign country.

00:16:35.000 And with the audience that I have, they can drive amplification.

00:16:39.000 And they could make the argument that this is like American outside interference through some like, you know, because foreigners in our region in Hungary or France or Spain or Brazil or whatever are impacting our own internal dialogue because of the size of the platform they have.

00:16:59.000 And to me, I think that's fair game.

00:17:01.000 There's no monetary contribution.

00:17:03.000 It's not like there's a far a registration type thing.

00:17:08.000 It's hard to be able to like have it.

00:17:12.000 I think there is something beautiful about the global nature of X.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, we could see the Ayatollah's tweets.

00:17:20.000 I agree to an extent.

00:17:21.000 It's a problem.

00:17:22.000 I like how they're changing monetization.

00:17:25.000 They said that they're going to reduce the amount of money you make off foreign countries.

00:17:28.000 We have to.

00:17:29.000 Because what's happened is there is a pool of money that is going into X ads.

00:17:33.000 And they were just basically like, based on the replies you get, the engagement you get, you'll get a share of ads.

00:17:39.000 Now, I have a conspiracy theory as to what that's really about, but put a tack in that.

00:17:42.000 What happened was when this first launched, people who were on X at the time, who were really making content and posting things, were making great money.

00:17:42.000 We'll come back.

00:17:51.000 Some people are getting like 20, 30K a month.

00:17:54.000 And they're not even a couple hundred thousand followers.

00:17:56.000 Like it's big, but they weren't like in the millions, but they made content people engaged with.

00:18:00.000 The money started to go down.

00:18:01.000 We found out that a bunch of people in India, again, not a joke, literally, made accounts and would all reply to each other en masse.

00:18:09.000 And they would say, how is your day going?

00:18:10.000 It's good.

00:18:10.000 And they would just spam blast each other.

00:18:12.000 And then all of a sudden, our money went down. 0.96

00:18:13.000 And people were like, this is why they're pulling from the pool, producing junk.

00:18:18.000 So that needs to stop.

00:18:19.000 But I will add this as an aside.

00:18:22.000 I believe the monetization system on X has nothing to do with engagement and monetization.

00:18:26.000 I think it is incentivizing engagement for AI model training.

00:18:31.000 And so the argument originally was you don't get money based on views of your tweets.

00:18:36.000 Advertisements appear in the replies.

00:18:39.000 So it's the engagement to your replies that will generate money because that's where the ads are, right?

00:18:45.000 Well, that also doesn't quite make a whole lot of sense as far as I'm concerned.

00:18:49.000 And what I think actually happened is that Elon Musk bought Twitter because he wanted the fire hose.

00:18:53.000 This stream of human consciousness of people just blasting out what they're doing.

00:18:57.000 Excellent AI training data.

00:19:00.000 Then he wants more data.

00:19:02.000 So he says, monetary incentive if people reply to you.

00:19:07.000 I have a I put out a tweet.

00:19:10.000 We call them tweets.

00:19:11.000 BuzzFeed included me in an article because their writer, Hannah, what's her name? 0.99

00:19:15.000 She's retarded. 1.00

00:19:15.000 Something I don't know. 1.00

00:19:17.000 And I made a joke, a very obvious joke.

00:19:21.000 When the war with Iran started, I said, is there literally one reason why we shouldn't take over Iran? 1.00

00:19:26.000 Or Canada, for that matter, or Mexico?

00:19:29.000 Which is obviously a joke and everybody understands.

00:19:32.000 It's sarcasm. 1.00

00:19:33.000 And she screen grabbed that, like, look at these MAGA idiots. 1.00

00:19:36.000 Well, I tweeted, this is why we should repeal the 19th. 1.00

00:19:39.000 Another joke.

00:19:40.000 And the first reply was a bot, a very obvious AI bot with this long-winded and saying, like, you can't even, it was just a response where it was like, she made an argument and you can't even respond with one.

00:19:51.000 You insult her.

00:19:52.000 Everyone deserves rights.

00:19:53.000 Blah, Here's the point. 0.95

00:19:56.000 I believe these bots are part of the AI training.

00:20:00.000 What does the AI know?

00:20:02.000 It knows what we've said, but not how we've replied or corrected it.

00:20:06.000 So right now on YouTube, something interesting is happening.

00:20:08.000 A lot of AI content has stormed the platform.

00:20:11.000 And YouTube has begun asking people if the videos look like AI slop.

00:20:16.000 And people are going, yay, YouTube's going to start deboosting AI slop.

00:20:21.000 Wrong.

00:20:22.000 They are using that to train VO.

00:20:25.000 When an AI video is made, they say, is this slop?

00:20:28.000 And when you put yes, it sends the data to VO and says, this is bad.

00:20:32.000 Don't do it.

00:20:33.000 Fixing it.

00:20:34.000 And then people will look at good videos and they'll say, not slop.

00:20:36.000 And they'll say, this is good.

00:20:38.000 It needs the human response to correct it.

00:20:40.000 So on X, you make a post, a robot responds, and the human goes, well, yeah, how dare you say that to me?

00:20:46.000 And responds, providing insight beyond the first layer of human input.

00:20:51.000 The second layer input.

00:20:53.000 This is like the AI theory of CAPTCHA, right?

00:20:57.000 That's true.

00:20:58.000 It's real, though.

00:20:58.000 You're actually, it's a fact.

00:21:00.000 That's corroborated?

00:21:01.000 Absolutely.

00:21:03.000 You're training everything.

00:21:04.000 You're training cars to drive.

00:21:06.000 So reCAPTCHA originally, like the first iteration we saw was two words would appear and it would say, type in the two words to continue.

00:21:15.000 One word it already knew.

00:21:17.000 That was the key.

00:21:18.000 The second word it did not know.

00:21:19.000 That's funny.

00:21:20.000 So the way it works, when you type in the first word correctly, it's assuming both words will be correct then.

00:21:25.000 And by corroborating what it does know, it creates a strong data set to figure out what the other words are.

00:21:31.000 And they were scans from books.

00:21:33.000 The reason why they appeared bent and warped is because it was an image scan from a book and we taught the AI how to read.

00:21:40.000 This is some Ender's game show.

00:21:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:42.000 And so CAPTCHA today, it'll say, it says like, find the streetlights.

00:21:45.000 And you're like, oh, the streetlights, this proves it.

00:21:47.000 Yet you're training cars to drive.

00:21:49.000 It's crazy.

00:21:50.000 I have a subscriber on Twitter that I think is an AI subscriber.

00:21:54.000 It's my first one that keeps asking me to talk about graphene, paying me money every month now, and it like really wants to talk about graphene.

00:22:00.000 It's really weirdly written.

00:22:02.000 It might be a human.

00:22:03.000 That's your thing.

00:22:04.000 But it feels like it's an AI inciting me to talk about graphene.

00:22:07.000 I'm like, is this a foreign op?

00:22:08.000 What is this?

00:22:09.000 I mean, look, if you were an industrial stakeholder in this, because the other thing about the bots is that they're there immediately with like three paragraphs.

00:22:19.000 Yes.

00:22:19.000 Instantly.

00:22:19.000 And like, you know, these like very cogent, but obviously like slanted towards a particular thing.

00:22:25.000 Like there's this one like X-ray, like Democrats like bot that like replies to like a third of my posts like immediately.

00:22:33.000 It's like the first one. 0.97

00:22:34.000 And it's like some systematic attempted takedown of like every point in it, but like slanted towards the idea of like MAGA are scum.

00:22:43.000 And this is, and it's like because it's first, it gets you know how you can tell almost always more engagement. 0.75

00:22:52.000 So they use M-dashes a lot.

00:22:54.000 The M-dash. 0.99

00:22:56.000 Yeah.

00:22:56.000 Yep.

00:22:57.000 But the other thing, you know, I do actually, so I have a banker friend who I met up with for drinks in New York recently and runs this kind of big portfolio for a fund.

00:23:11.000 And we were talking about our diet of AI.

00:23:14.000 And he explained that for his work evaluating companies for potential investment, he uses Claude OpenAI, Claude ChatGPT, and Grok.

00:23:29.000 And the person's a liberal, a good friend of mine since high school.

00:23:34.000 And I said, oh, that's interesting.

00:23:36.000 You're using Grok.

00:23:39.000 You almost expect from a certain political background.

00:23:42.000 And what he said is, well, he explained why they use at that bank at that fund, those different things.

00:23:50.000 And he said, well, Grok is the best for scooping up word of mouth and things that like the social media chatter, because oftentimes there are things that are not like ChatGPT is very good at just retrieving all of the different securities filings, their perspectives and mining that.

00:24:10.000 It's really good at scolding you for being racist.

00:24:12.000 Right.

00:24:12.000 If that's what you're looking for.

00:24:13.000 But there's also lots of different internal things about a company or rumors that are not necessarily true, but that are interesting for a potential investor to consider as a liability or as an opportunity.

00:24:13.000 Right.

00:24:27.000 And so it's so like sweeping the word on.

00:24:30.000 I thought it was very interesting that for a high-end, you know, a huge fund with lots of capital on the line that Grok provides a service specifically because it allows the mining of the chatter on X that is not really able to be easily mined by Claude or ChatGPT because they don't have the proprietary,

00:24:56.000 they don't have like the, I don't know if it's the API access or whatever it is that allows them to do the mass sweeping.

00:25:02.000 Well, it should be interesting, but let's jump to this next story.

00:25:05.000 We got this from NBC News, NASA to spend $20 billion to build a base on the moon.

00:25:10.000 Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.

00:25:12.000 And what I really love about this is that it once and for all definitively proves we can go to the moon and that everybody who ever doubted this was completely wrong.

00:25:21.000 And the moon is also real and there's no moon base there already, nor are there Nazis on the other side of it.

00:25:27.000 And it's actually really easy to get there.

00:25:29.000 And we've always been there, in fact, and we're going back because it's not hard to do and it'll be really easy.

00:25:34.000 I think this proves that we've been to the moon.

00:25:36.000 And I think that's what Mike Benz was telling me before we went live, actually.

00:25:40.000 I don't know, maybe Mike can.

00:25:41.000 He was telling me quite a great deal about how we've been to the moon.

00:25:44.000 I think he said he'd been to the moon.

00:25:46.000 He said he was there and he said he actually met moon people.

00:25:48.000 He's a moon kind of guy.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, he's in the moon fit tonight with the White Thames too.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, look at him.

00:25:55.000 He wants nothing to do with this.

00:25:57.000 Michael.

00:25:59.000 Mike, what's the evidence that let me read the story for you first?

00:26:02.000 Let me read the story.

00:26:05.000 NASA is canceling plans to deploy a space station in lunar orbit and will instead use its components to construct a $20 billion base on the moon's surface over the next seven years.

00:26:13.000 Its new chief Jared Isaacman said on Tuesday, Isaacman, who was sworn in at the agency in December, made the announcement at the opening of a long day, a day-long event at NASA's Washington headquarters.

00:26:23.000 It should not really surprise anyone that we are pausing Gateway in its current form and focusing on infrastructure that supports sustained operations on lunar surface.

00:26:31.000 The Lunar Gateway Station, largely already built with contractors, Northrop Grumman and Vantor, formerly Maxar, was meant to be a space station parked in a lunar orbit.

00:26:40.000 Repurposing the craft for a lunar surface base is not simple.

00:26:44.000 Despite some of the very real hardware and schedule challenges, we can repurpose equipment and international partner commitments to support surface and other program objectives.

00:26:52.000 Now, the truth is, my friends, we've never been to the moon and we can't go there because the firmament is in the way.

00:26:57.000 And Elon Musk is actually not trying to create satellites.

00:27:01.000 The purpose of SpaceX is to create powerful weapons that will break through the firmament so we can escape and release the upper oceans.

00:27:08.000 I'm kidding, by the way.

00:27:09.000 But I do love the conspiracy theories about flat Earth and that how they believe NASA is like a satanic, demonic organization that's lying about the shape of the Earth to keep people confused, to cover up.

00:27:20.000 Something, I guess.

00:27:21.000 I don't know.

00:27:22.000 My whole life, I've thought we went to the moon for sure.

00:27:24.000 No doubts.

00:27:25.000 And then people start saying, hey, the moon landing's fake.

00:27:26.000 I'm like, all right, maybe they recorded some fake footage.

00:27:30.000 Mike just popped this set up.

00:27:31.000 And that they used it to advance, you know, America's storyline in the space race during the Cold War.

00:27:38.000 But still, we went there.

00:27:39.000 We just didn't get any footage.

00:27:40.000 And I'm talking with Mike, though.

00:27:42.000 What's that?

00:27:42.000 I'm talking.

00:27:43.000 We do have footage from there.

00:27:44.000 What do you mean?

00:27:44.000 Yeah, yeah, footage on the moon.

00:27:45.000 You see them bouncing on the moon.

00:27:46.000 You're like, that must be real.

00:27:48.000 And then Mike's like, okay, talking about the radiation problems about how these astronauts go up there.

00:27:53.000 Did you say that earlier?

00:27:55.000 He didn't say anything.

00:27:55.000 What are you talking about?

00:27:56.000 You gave me a few points before the show that we didn't talk about live.

00:27:59.000 But do you, okay, do you want to talk about it?

00:28:01.000 Nothing's off the record.

00:28:03.000 So you say we, we, I'm going to say.

00:28:05.000 News to me.

00:28:06.000 You got to educate.

00:28:07.000 We went through a quantum leap of technology between 67 and 69.

00:28:10.000 Right.

00:28:11.000 We went through a quantum leap from 1900 to 70.

00:28:14.000 We figured out flight in the early 1900s.

00:28:16.000 We're like, hey, I think I can fly.

00:28:18.000 And then 60 years later, we're like, I'm going to the moon.

00:28:20.000 So the incapability in 67 to get there with what is Apollo blowing up on the landing pad or something, was that in 67?

00:28:27.000 To them literally technically walking on the moon.

00:28:30.000 Like we've had a quantum leap in technology in the last two years with AI.

00:28:33.000 So it's not to say it's impossible.

00:28:35.000 I actually think it's entirely possible.

00:28:37.000 In fact, the weirdest thing to me is that I think it's actually fairly rudimentary.

00:28:41.000 Like put a gig, put it, like make a rocket, blast people into space without, you know, you know, I think the real theory that is more interesting to me is the space graveyard.

00:28:52.000 Alex Jones talked about it quite a bit.

00:28:54.000 He said that the moon is an astronaut's graveyard.

00:28:56.000 I bet that's true.

00:28:57.000 And we know about, you know, you've got, what's the guy's name, Gagarian?

00:29:01.000 Was that the guy?

00:29:03.000 The first guy in space?

00:29:04.000 Yeah.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:07.000 Not Neil Armstrong.

00:29:08.000 So the Russian dude.

00:29:09.000 Neil Armstrong's the guy, the moon guy.

00:29:11.000 Gagarian.

00:29:11.000 Gary Gigarian.

00:29:12.000 Gagarian, whatever is the, we want to look it up.

00:29:13.000 Gary Gygax.

00:29:14.000 That's the guy who started it.

00:29:15.000 Not Gary Gygax.

00:29:16.000 That's D ⁇ D. 0.98

00:29:18.000 But there's a theory that Yuri Gargarian, was that his name?

00:29:23.000 Was not the first man in space.

00:29:24.000 He's the first man to come back.

00:29:26.000 Yuri Gagarin.

00:29:28.000 Gagarian.

00:29:28.000 Gagarin.

00:29:29.000 First one to come back.

00:29:30.000 And the other ones were just sent up in secret.

00:29:32.000 Other one, you mean like dozens?

00:29:34.000 Because the argument is when we were like, okay, we're going to go to space for the first time.

00:29:39.000 Like, I'm not talking about moons.

00:29:40.000 I'm talking about low orbit, right?

00:29:41.000 Where we have satellites.

00:29:42.000 So they blast someone into space.

00:29:44.000 And then they're like, what happens when he gets there?

00:29:46.000 We had a dog go up there before to chimp, and they pressed buttons.

00:29:49.000 We'll see what happens.

00:29:51.000 Yeah, I think it's fairly plausible that the first few humans ever set up an orbit screwed up and went gone.

00:29:58.000 And then with the moon missions, everyone's, you know, here's what I love.

00:30:02.000 They're like, how did we get back?

00:30:05.000 How did we know how to have a return ship?

00:30:07.000 And I'm like, because of the dozen dead astronauts who tried it the first time, maybe?

00:30:11.000 That makes more sense to me, to be honest.

00:30:13.000 Is the story that they landed the lunar module, they got out, they danced around, and then they got back in and the module took off and then attaches back to a ship in orbit and then the module just fires back.

00:30:22.000 And the module takes them all the way home?

00:30:23.000 Yep.

00:30:24.000 Indeed.

00:30:25.000 That aluminum little lightweight.

00:30:27.000 Well, the gravity on the moon is very light, so it's easier to break lunar orbit than it is Earth orbit.

00:30:32.000 And then they're being pulled towards the Earth.

00:30:34.000 So I actually, there's a lot of, there's a lot of theories about it.

00:30:37.000 And my favorite is like, how did we lose the technology?

00:30:41.000 And I'm like, bro, I had a binder full of first edition Charizards 20 years ago, 25 years ago.

00:30:50.000 Still got mine.

00:30:51.000 I wish I knew where that binder went.

00:30:53.000 So when you're like, how did we do this or how do we do that?

00:30:56.000 I'm like, you know, they had it on papers.

00:30:58.000 They had the plans they built.

00:30:59.000 It got put in a box.

00:31:01.000 Like, it's a filing cabinet, right?

00:31:03.000 And then an administration changes.

00:31:06.000 New people come in the room.

00:31:07.000 They don't know what's in that filing cabinet.

00:31:09.000 They don't care.

00:31:09.000 Four years go by.

00:31:10.000 A new administration comes in.

00:31:11.000 Nobody knows where anything is.

00:31:13.000 Bro, these people don't even know what they had for breakfast yesterday.

00:31:15.000 The telemetry data, you're talking about the telemetry data of like- No, no, no, the technology for radiation shielding and things like that.

00:31:21.000 They just disappeared after the disappeared is a conspiratorial way to frame it.

00:31:26.000 I think, once again, I had a box of Magic the Gathering cards at the castle.

00:31:31.000 I don't know what happened to them.

00:31:33.000 I had these like, maybe we know where they are.

00:31:36.000 These like 2006 Battle Bond or something it was called.

00:31:39.000 It was like booster packs and it was a pack of package with booster.

00:31:43.000 I don't know what it is.

00:31:44.000 Are they unpackaged?

00:31:45.000 I might have it.

00:31:46.000 I'll look into it.

00:31:47.000 There you go.

00:31:47.000 I mean, maybe you've got them.

00:31:49.000 Battle Bond or something?

00:31:50.000 On open boxes.

00:31:51.000 Yeah, no idea.

00:31:51.000 I'll check.

00:31:52.000 And so people are like, how did we shield for radiation?

00:31:54.000 I'm like, there's a bunch of ways you can do it.

00:31:55.000 There's water shielding, which is there was a, there was a diver got sucked into a radio, a nuclear power plant intake valve and was swimming in the pool.

00:32:04.000 Fine, because that's what we use water to shield for radiation.

00:32:06.000 I wish we had like an expert or somebody that knew something about some sort of info about mold, maybe?

00:32:13.000 Mold being used inside the spaceships to prevent radiation.

00:32:16.000 Here's the thing.

00:32:17.000 Cosmic radiation.

00:32:18.000 There's a million and one reasons why the U.S. would want to fake going to the moon.

00:32:21.000 And that's the political thing that's easy to understand for most people.

00:32:24.000 We're in a Cold War.

00:32:25.000 We're losing the space race.

00:32:26.000 The Russians had everything.

00:32:28.000 It's Sputnik, and that freaked people out.

00:32:31.000 And so to terrify our enemies and make it look like we are bigger, we say we went to the moon and we do this Kubrick's soundstage thing.

00:32:39.000 But I think the challenge I see with it is you're asking me to arguing there's two conspiracies at the same time.

00:32:48.000 You're arguing that this great leap to the moon or this great soundstage cover-up planned mission faked thing.

00:32:55.000 Both of them are extraordinary claims.

00:32:57.000 So all I can do as someone who was not alive at the time is just default to what we know.

00:33:03.000 And currently we have rockets, we have spaceships, we have shuttles, we have a space station.

00:33:09.000 I would not be, look, if you came to me and said, how did we get through the radiation belt?

00:33:14.000 I'd say they died.

00:33:17.000 Like, that's why I think the space graveyard makes the most sense.

00:33:20.000 We absolutely would try. 0.89

00:33:22.000 And then if we couldn't, they'd just fry themselves and die.

00:33:25.000 Maybe if you built the spacecraft out of gold, but then they're not reusable, it was a waste of because it's a superconductor.

00:33:32.000 It might be able to help the radiation.

00:33:34.000 Like, yeah, with water, water would be a good one.

00:33:37.000 Water shields radiation.

00:33:38.000 Dude, water?

00:33:39.000 Spacecrafts made out of water would be the most amazing thing.

00:33:42.000 Fluid spacecraft, dude.

00:33:44.000 That's a Star Trek.

00:33:45.000 But in 50 years, we'll be talking about it.

00:33:47.000 That's a Star Trek episode.

00:33:48.000 In fact, they've theorized things like this already.

00:33:51.000 There's an episode of Star Trek where they encounter some strange animal in outer space.

00:33:55.000 It turns out it was an organically created spaceship.

00:33:58.000 So it was made of organic materials, water, and go inside its body.

00:34:04.000 This one's for you, Michael Benz.

00:34:06.000 Okay, forget about the past.

00:34:08.000 Is he here?

00:34:08.000 What's that?

00:34:09.000 Do we have the technology today to go to the moon?

00:34:12.000 Because they're saying they're going to, or is this just a big puff up, get people unified into a thing that they try and mess with us about?

00:34:20.000 Well, you're going to have a lot of military contractors making a lot of money.

00:34:24.000 And I think part of the reason to spend $20 billion on it is that you're going to have a lot of R ⁇ D that comes out of this regardless of whether you end up with a moon base.

00:34:35.000 Didn't we invent, like, there were a bunch of inventions made.

00:34:38.000 I think like certain plastics were invented in the original space race.

00:34:42.000 Yeah, there's just an incredible amount.

00:34:44.000 I mean, the ICBM technology was, you know, had just an incredible amount of breakthroughs because you're basically taking, I mean, the space program grew out of the ICBM.

00:34:56.000 I mean, basically, it's just a glorified ICBM with humans inside.

00:35:01.000 They're like, we're going to go to the human cannonball. 1.00

00:35:01.000 Right? 1.00

00:35:03.000 Well, this is probably the best arguments for the moon landing, the we did not moon landing conspiracy theory is that you want to build ICBMs.

00:35:12.000 You go to the public and say, we need to spend at the time the equivalent of $200 billion on rockets.

00:35:17.000 They go, what for?

00:35:18.000 We want to put 12 nuclear warheads in the tip of each one, launch it into the stratosphere, and then rain down hellfire, wiping out every major city in Eastern Europe that threatens us. 0.98

00:35:28.000 And people are going to go, oh, my God, no.

00:35:31.000 You go, we're going to go to space and go to the moon.

00:35:33.000 And they're like, oh, that sounds fun.

00:35:35.000 So they give you all the money.

00:35:36.000 You build gigantic rockets and they go, yay.

00:35:38.000 And what you're really doing is creating multiple independently targeted reentry vehicles or MERVs, which can launch into the stratosphere and then deploy eight to 12 warheads, one of which could wipe out the entire Eastern U.S. seaboard.

00:35:49.000 The Nazis did that with their automobile program in the 30s. 0.89

00:35:53.000 Everyone thought they were funding all these cars and they were really funding tanks.

00:35:57.000 I wonder if the U.S. government's doing that right now.

00:35:59.000 Help us with our shape.

00:36:01.000 Real quick, back to the point you were making, because I pulled this list up.

00:36:03.000 Cordless power tools, memory foam, freeze-dried food, water purification, scratch-resistant lenses, space blankets, mylar space blankets.

00:36:13.000 Wow.

00:36:13.000 We use those for emergencies when people are having, like they're freezing or whatever, or they're cold.

00:36:18.000 You put a Mylar blanket on them.

00:36:19.000 Wireless headsets, digital imaging sensors, integrated circuits and microchips, infrared ear thermometers.

00:36:26.000 Wow.

00:36:26.000 CAT scan medical tech.

00:36:28.000 The amount of things that were invented or advanced due to the space race, it's actually pretty crazy.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, we're looking now graphene with like cermets.

00:36:36.000 You've got these like nanomaterials that can handle extremely high heats.

00:36:41.000 So I bet they're amped to start testing this stuff in space.

00:36:44.000 But I think, Mike, you were saying like drone, sending drones is the way.

00:36:48.000 Well, I don't know if you said this, but that we should be sending drones and not humans particularly.

00:36:52.000 We've been doing that.

00:36:53.000 Yeah.

00:36:54.000 I mean, if you think about this, you know, Bill Clinton had this funny thing in his biography about this that anyone, anyone can look up.

00:37:02.000 But, you know, there are successive presidents since Bill Clinton have pledged to go back to the moon.

00:37:09.000 Barack Obama had the famous Constellation program inherited from the Bush era where the goal was to use this sort of Orion-adjacent Orion constellation program.

00:37:27.000 It was going to have a manned space flight at some point during the Obama administration.

00:37:32.000 James Van Hoften, who was an International Space Station NASA astronaut, then retired and joined the National Academy of Sciences, penned a series of long memos to the incoming Obama administration cautioning him not to attempt to go back to the moon, having just been on the International Space Station and serving for long periods there.

00:37:58.000 They felt it was completely unsafe and anyone who attempted the program would end in disaster.

00:38:05.000 Any of the astronauts on board with the current technology and state of the program would die and that we don't actually even have good scientific data on the exposure that astronauts would have on the way there because at that time in 2008, there were only approximately 12 American scientists that were all in their 70s who even studied human biology, space radiation issues due to a number of reasons.

00:38:34.000 But he basically said we need to completely swap out this manned space flight program for a completely unmanned one and replace the humans with basic electrospectrometer devices to do this mass measurement so that we could actually know what we're up against on the way there.

00:38:53.000 And he cited in particular that there's something called the North Atlantic anomaly, which is the point at which the Van Allen belts start early because of the tilt of the Earth's axis.

00:39:04.000 It's basically over Brazil.

00:39:06.000 It's this point where, you know, typically the belt started around 300 miles above the Earth's surface.

00:39:11.000 It starts about like 50 to 100 miles earlier over this particular section of the Earth.

00:39:17.000 And they said we get shooting stars through our eyes every time we pass through the North Atlantic anomaly.

00:39:22.000 The shuttle itself, the space station itself, has malfunctions during that period.

00:39:28.000 So we need to shut off certain electronics.

00:39:31.000 It's an unsafe period simply in low Earth orbit.

00:39:35.000 And that's at the very, very, very tip of what is effectively a 65,000 mile traverse through that as it gets more and more intense.

00:39:47.000 And it turned out that the readouts from that, which were a giant FOIA fight between the independent research community and the government data collected, showed that the data, the radiation levels were like 3,000 times higher than what I think the IA, the IA, IE9, not the IEA,

00:40:13.000 that the models had predicted and that this has caused this DASH to try to solve this catch-22 issue that the giant paperweight program, you know, we spent, I think, $15 billion on this, you know, the NASA version of the dragon type thing, which never went anywhere after 15 years in development.

00:40:38.000 So the biggest dud in human development history.

00:40:43.000 But basically, this led towards trying to develop types of mold that would, sort of Tim's point, the idea is so that you don't, every time you add weight to the hull, to protect the astronauts from radiation, you have to add more combustion power to the rockets to overcome the weight of the hull.

00:41:05.000 But the more combustion you add to the rockets, the more destabilizing it is to the hull.

00:41:09.000 So you need more weight added to stabilize the hull.

00:41:13.000 And the idea is: well, if you can solve that by having effectively a radiation-eating mold that coached the interior of the craft, you would not need to deal with these huge high-combustion engines that require an insane amount of coolant and shielding and all this.

00:41:32.000 They're easier to control.

00:41:34.000 They have less malfunction.

00:41:36.000 But that's something that the Department of Energy has been working on for like 15 years now.

00:41:41.000 And this actually flared up in 1968 when the Russians did the Zond 5 mission, which is what spurred us to pursue Apollo 8, which was the first traverse around the, you know, this was basically Christmas 1968 before the 1969 Apollo 11 missions where they orbited the moon but didn't land on it.

00:42:03.000 And they read passages of Genesis and the Bible.

00:42:06.000 And it was a big American healing moment after the assassinations that were destabilizing the country in 1968.

00:42:13.000 But at that time, the Soviets previously circumnavigated the moon with turtles on board.

00:42:23.000 And so I think the thought process was, well, it's kind of safe to do it because turtles can, but turtles are what are known as extremophiles, radiation extremophiles.

00:42:34.000 They have a very unique tolerance off the charts, like a thousand orders of magnitude more than humans in terms of radiation tolerance.

00:42:46.000 And in fact, there are some weird healing properties actually that radiation gives to turtles.

00:42:51.000 And so there's sort of a unique, there's certain biological things like some of these mold-type organisms and turtles that have a very different experience with radiation than humans do.

00:43:06.000 I mean, I assume that's where mutant ninja turtles come from.

00:43:11.000 Someone might have learned that fact.

00:43:12.000 They're like, oh, I'm writing the story.

00:43:13.000 I actually have the original right behind me.

00:43:15.000 And no.

00:43:17.000 Benefits from radiation.

00:43:19.000 It was actually a satirical.

00:43:21.000 It was a play on Daredevil.

00:43:25.000 He's fighting the hand.

00:43:26.000 They have the foot.

00:43:27.000 Stick was his mentor.

00:43:28.000 Splinter.

00:43:29.000 You get it.

00:43:30.000 There's another thing that I think is worth adding to this without getting into the substance of what happened in the Apollo program, which is NASA was always a spy agency.

00:43:43.000 It was a civilian agency, it was a military and intelligence agency with a civilian front.

00:43:50.000 It always was from day one, just like the Department of Defense was originally the Department of War, and the renaming of it by the Trump administration sort of is not some new title.

00:44:03.000 It's the title it had from the first meeting of Congress in 1979 until 1948 when the UN Declaration on Human Rights forbade territorial acquisition by military force.

00:44:13.000 So if you wanted to take over a country, you had to argue it's a defense mission to forward protect ourselves rather than a military occupation in pursuit of war.

00:44:23.000 But NASA, the Trump administration, just the last thing.

00:44:25.000 The Trump administration, and I think it was August 2025, formally classified NASA as a national security and intelligence organization rather than as a civilian organization.

00:44:42.000 So when you look at $20 billion in the context of these space wars happening right now because of satellite wars and the idea that war is now moving into space because of that, that it's kind of like how the NFL is sports entertainment and not a real sport.

00:44:57.000 That way, it's like WWE, but you think it's real. 0.99

00:45:01.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:45:02.000 You see? 1.00

00:45:03.000 Really?

00:45:03.000 The NFL is considered sports entertainment?

00:45:05.000 Yeah, it's a big thing because everyone says the NFL.

00:45:08.000 I don't think football is real.

00:45:09.000 I really don't.

00:45:10.000 Like, I watched a bunch of these conspiracy videos on football being fake, and I'm convinced it's fake.

00:45:14.000 Like, I don't know enough about football to tell you the name of the players, but there's one that happened like in 2022 where a Ravens player could have tackled or like someone could have tackled the Ravens player and they like jumped towards him, but then turn running away to make sure he made it and got the touchdown.

00:45:29.000 Like we know about the rigging scandals at the NBA too, but I don't know if it's true or not.

00:45:34.000 I just believe it.

00:45:35.000 Well, they're also a tax-free nonprofit, right?

00:45:37.000 That's the point, right?

00:45:39.000 Let's look at this next story and get crazy with it.

00:45:41.000 We've got this tweet about this guy named Chris Bledsoe.

00:45:44.000 So his story apparently is that he was abducted by aliens in 2007, but they gave him a vision.

00:45:50.000 When he came back to Earth, he knew we must hear of this vision.

00:45:55.000 And then he describes that in April of 2026, and I believe this is from like 12 years ago, is what they say, that Israel and Iran would be in a missile exchange, and then orbs would rise from the oceans.

00:46:06.000 What year was this?

00:46:07.000 So my understanding is this interview is old.

00:46:09.000 It's from like 12 years ago or something.

00:46:10.000 It looks old.

00:46:11.000 And I put this in writing to the Pentagon in 2012 when I told this.

00:46:16.000 This is not in 2012, but this was a while ago.

00:46:19.000 Thing she told me was when you see Iran and Israel exchanging missiles and I saw it the way she tells me is a vision of I see it like a living picture screen.

00:46:32.000 I can see the rockets flying.

00:46:34.000 Then, all of a sudden, orbs appeared out of the ocean everywhere.

00:46:38.000 I told the government, that's if you, if this happens, the orbs are going to appear and wake people up and stop it.

00:46:46.000 That's what she told me.

00:46:48.000 April 2026.

00:46:51.000 Okay.

00:46:52.000 You know, you've put yourself in it there, Christmas.

00:46:55.000 It's going to be Chris Winslow says April 2026 is when it will happen.

00:47:00.000 I can tell you this, when I told this to the government about 2026, I just repeated what she told me.

00:47:07.000 So there's a bit more, and this guy's actually appeared on a bunch of other podcasts.

00:47:10.000 I believe he was on Sean Ryan's show as well more recently.

00:47:14.000 I don't know the exact time of this, but there is some interesting stuff going on.

00:47:18.000 A comet was recently discovered, and it's going to slam into the sun on April 4th.

00:47:24.000 So this is a sun-grazing comet that could be visible to the naked eye during the day, but it's going to enter the corona of the sun and may be destroyed for all of us to see.

00:47:35.000 That's awesome.

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:36.000 There's also been a series of meteor strikes that people have noticed, and I think there were five in the last week.

00:47:42.000 So people are starting to, I'll put it like this.

00:47:45.000 There are a lot of people who believe the end of times are going to come, and there's been a million and one predictions and they've never come true.

00:47:51.000 So naturally, people are pulling up things like this and saying this proves it, especially with Netanyahu saying that he would, that the Messianic era will come, but not by next Thursday.

00:48:00.000 People believe that this war is about bringing on the prophecy and the Messianic era.

00:48:06.000 And I will stress this, that we talked about this last week.

00:48:10.000 We had a couple of amateur eschatologists on the show on the Culture War podcast a few years ago.

00:48:15.000 Are you familiar with eschatology?

00:48:17.000 Study of the end of times.

00:48:17.000 No.

00:48:19.000 And this is in 2022 or three.

00:48:22.000 We bring these guys on.

00:48:23.000 And this one guy's remaining anonymous.

00:48:25.000 You can't see his face.

00:48:25.000 He doesn't even know who he is.

00:48:27.000 And they said, if Donald Trump, they said Trump may be the Antichrist.

00:48:33.000 It may be Elon Musk.

00:48:34.000 We're not sure.

00:48:35.000 But one of them, if they're the Antichrist, will get some kind of injury to the right side of their face or head, and their arm will be injured as well.

00:48:46.000 And so, as the story goes, the Antichrist suffers what appears to be a fatal injury, but is miraculously healed, a false resurrection.

00:48:55.000 And eventually his arm becomes withered for some reason.

00:48:59.000 And now, guess what everyone is saying?

00:49:01.000 Donald Trump took a bullet to the side of the head, seemingly a fatal strike, collapses, but rises up with blood on his face, an injury to the right side of his head, that he miraculously healed from a few weeks later where the left said it's impossible.

00:49:14.000 He couldn't have been shot.

00:49:16.000 His ear is totally healed.

00:49:18.000 And Trump's hand right now has a growing bruise that he keeps trying to cover up and is getting bigger.

00:49:23.000 And people are saying that is the withering.

00:49:25.000 So there are all of these things happening where people are taking the red yarn and tying the little tacks together to say this is the end of times.

00:49:34.000 And that's where this video kicks in where people are like, April of 2026, Iran and Israel firing missiles, the orbs.

00:49:43.000 At the same time, Donald Trump said he's going to release the alien files and the government registered aliens.gov.

00:49:50.000 That proves it.

00:49:51.000 When we had Kash Patel on the show, I was like, we need aircraft that can go underwater like submarines and then can take off out of the oceans and go into space.

00:49:58.000 And he just, this is before he was in the government working and he just looked at me and smiled.

00:50:02.000 I'm like, I think we have that craft now.

00:50:05.000 And I wonder if what's going to happen is Israel, right now the U.S. is trying to keep the reins on Israel and they're trying to end this Iran thing and contain it. 0.83

00:50:13.000 If it goes to ballistics between Iran and Israel and they take it into their own hands, that the U.S. will unleash their orb fleet of plasma, superheated plasma balls that they can file around the planet and teleport sound through and move at light speed and just dominate the space with sound and light and command people to stop and things like that and speak to them in their tongue and all that crap. 0.68

00:50:35.000 I'm hoping the orbs are not the minds that are undergirding the Hormuz Strait right now.

00:50:41.000 But, you know, I happen to think that this is a Pentagon-planted story in that they know this that there's a comet about to fly into the sun.

00:50:51.000 I think they know that one of the Patriot missiles got way off course.

00:50:57.000 They're trying to get ahead of the story. 0.99

00:50:59.000 They're like, shit, we fired this thing so far off course. 0.99

00:51:01.000 This thing's flying into the friggin' sun. 0.99

00:51:04.000 A comet.

00:51:05.000 A hot air balloon.

00:51:07.000 Have you guys seen those weird patterns in the sky and they're like, oh, it's a missile?

00:51:11.000 Let me see if I can pull that one up.

00:51:13.000 I've seen weird patterns in the sky and have been told they're chemtrails.

00:51:17.000 When I've said orbs, I mean talking plasma.

00:51:19.000 I don't know if you guys are super familiar with talking plasma, the technology.

00:51:22.000 They'll triangulate.

00:51:23.000 Are you super familiar with talking plasma?

00:51:24.000 Check it out.

00:51:24.000 This is right here.

00:51:25.000 This right here.

00:51:26.000 You guys remember when this happened?

00:51:28.000 Norway residents got front row seats to a bizarre light show, a giant spiral with a green-blue beam of light.

00:51:28.000 No.

00:51:36.000 They said it's just, it's a rocket going forward and it was spinning, creating a trail of smoke, and that smoke slowly started to dissipate and spread out.

00:51:44.000 And that's why it looks all crazy.

00:51:47.000 Whoa, that's awesome.

00:51:48.000 Or it's a portal.

00:51:50.000 It's a wormhole, and the aliens arrived.

00:51:53.000 And what's actually happening is they're coming through the wormhole where the light in the center is, and the vehicles at the tip of the blue smoke because the smoke is the propulsion system as it comes through.

00:52:02.000 And that's how you travel faster than light.

00:52:03.000 He wants to talk about the talking plasma.

00:52:05.000 Yeah, if we, so if we really go balls deep into the talking plasma era and we turn our weapons into light-based weapons or plasma-based weapons, and there are aliens that are communicating with us from long-range frequency, they might be able to hack our weapons systems and turn them against us.

00:52:20.000 It was nothing to do with talking plasma.

00:52:21.000 Communicate to us through the talking plasma.

00:52:23.000 Maybe that's how we're doing it.

00:52:24.000 Are you familiar with talking plasma?

00:52:26.000 Everyone keeps asking me this.

00:52:27.000 It's where you triangulate lasers from a base station.

00:52:30.000 Right.

00:52:30.000 But you can take two lasers, point them at each other, and the point at which they intersect can cause vibrations in the air and generate sound.

00:52:39.000 So they can take two lasers in three-dimensional space and move a dot next to your ear, and you will hear as though someone is standing next to you.

00:52:47.000 They can move beyond this by combining multiple lasers in a grid.

00:52:51.000 You can make images.

00:52:53.000 So the lasers refract on each other when they hit each other, and you can make a hologram floating.

00:52:59.000 This is actually fairly rudimentary, to be completely honest.

00:53:00.000 This is like 20-year-old tech, where you just have laser pointers on like actuators or whatever, and you can move a stick, and when they hit each other, they make a square in space.

00:53:11.000 That's whenever they say, how does that craft moving so fast it goes up and down?

00:53:15.000 It's likely plasma showing up on radar.

00:53:17.000 Or aliens, but Ian's theory is that these UFOs we're seeing are actually a light trick where on the ground they have powerful lasers pointing up, creating a the reason they're orbs is because it's the easiest shape to make.

00:53:31.000 You only need two lasers to create a giant refraction point and then it can move as if it's on, you know, like without friction.

00:53:39.000 So in theory, could we just paint the skies of North Korea with like a propaganda light show and like voice of America talk over just by having like satellites beam lasers to create these talking plasma events over the sky?

00:53:58.000 Well, I think the issue is with talking plasma, the range is not particularly good.

00:54:04.000 Here's a video.

00:54:05.000 An early weapon that can make laser plasma balls talk.

00:54:09.000 Stop, or we will be forced to fire upon you.

00:54:12.000 It's called the laser-induced plasma effect.

00:54:14.000 And it's made by the joint, not only the weapons directory.

00:54:17.000 So, what they've done is basically created a laser that can shoot out to a certain distance, and they can pipe in sound, sound waves through it, and actually make human voice sounds and commands.

00:54:29.000 Now, where this becomes useful is around an area where you want to keep a perimeter secure.

00:54:32.000 So, essentially, you can shoot out this laser, you can then talk to the people on the edge of the perimeter rather than sending troops out there and tell them to get away, or you're going to shoot, or get away, or they're going to use other means to deter them.

00:54:42.000 And that same laser can be used to actually target the individual and create heat through pinpricks, like microscopic pinpricks in their skin, even beneath clothing.

00:54:51.000 It's extremely uncomfortable, and people move out of the way almost immediately.

00:54:54.000 At the same time, the exact same laser is also being used.

00:54:57.000 It's kind of a never-ending flashbang grenade.

00:55:03.000 It can basically with a power source, it can constantly be one of my favorite, one of my favorite things is no, the discombobulator is probably ultra-low frequency tech.

00:55:13.000 The conspiracy theorists have talked about ULF technology back in Iraq.

00:55:17.000 There was an old conspiracy, urban, like whatever to call it, that while in Iraq, our researchers deployed a ULF generator, ultra-low frequency, and experimented it on small villages.

00:55:27.000 I don't know if this is true or not, but they claimed that you put this thing on the ground and it pulses frequencies that are ultra-low vibrations that cause people to vomit.

00:55:36.000 And they put it on the ground, and then all the people in the small village keeled over and started throwing up and getting real sick.

00:55:42.000 That might be the discombobulator.

00:55:44.000 But I do want to add one of my favorite pieces of abandoned technology is something called the laser-induced plasma channel.

00:55:51.000 You know what this is?

00:55:52.000 It's a lightning gun.

00:55:54.000 Pikatini Air Force Base developed this weapon.

00:55:58.000 They were trying to figure out there is some dude sitting at a table and they're talking about like what should we work on.

00:56:03.000 And some guy goes, You know, I always wondered, like, you know, I'm sitting here and I want to strike that guy with lightning.

00:56:09.000 Why can't I do it?

00:56:10.000 And they said, We'll figure that out.

00:56:11.000 So, what you do is you superheat the air with an infrared, with a high-powered infrared laser, creating a plasma channel.

00:56:20.000 The superheated of the air makes a point, it makes it a path that electricity can travel through.

00:56:27.000 So, they get this gigantic electrode, supercharge it.

00:56:29.000 What happens?

00:56:30.000 It strikes the ground.

00:56:31.000 It's trying to, you know, the nearest point.

00:56:34.000 When you fire for a split second, an infrared laser straight, the path of least resistance becomes the superheated air channel, the plasma channel.

00:56:45.000 Then, when the electrode charges, it's simultaneous, it strikes whatever point it's pointed at with electricity.

00:56:51.000 They found it to be unpredictable and unwieldy, so they eventually abandoned it.

00:56:56.000 But I'm going to go ahead and-ube where we can like see the lightning gun.

00:56:59.000 I'm trying to find something.

00:57:00.000 Oh, bro, laser-induced plasma channels, you can make it at home.

00:57:03.000 I think we need to build a big one.

00:57:05.000 Whether you want to make a big one, shoot hydrogen into the sun to keep it charged.

00:57:08.000 The electro laser.

00:57:10.000 Do we need to fuel the sun?

00:57:12.000 It'll expand and explode.

00:57:13.000 So, we need to keep fueling it.

00:57:14.000 Here's the famous photo from Picatinny that I don't think there's a video of.

00:57:18.000 Let me see if I can.

00:57:19.000 This is the photo that they published when they were experimenting with it.

00:57:23.000 There are videos of the laser-induced plasma channel, but they're tiny ones.

00:57:27.000 And what people do is they'll make like you take two electrodes and a laser, and it just makes like what looks like a static orb shock jump in between.

00:57:36.000 So, if you if you have enough juice, that's the problem.

00:57:39.000 It takes a ton of energy.

00:57:41.000 The reason why we're never gonna have laser weapons, the easiest reason, I want to shout out Venture Brothers.

00:57:48.000 There's a have you ever seen Venture Brothers?

00:57:49.000 No, I thought this was like a laser sponsor of the show.

00:57:51.000 I thought that's a good question.

00:57:52.000 No, no, no.

00:57:53.000 So, there's a show called Venture Bros.

00:57:55.000 Fantastic.

00:57:55.000 It's kind of old.

00:57:56.000 And it's a parody of like superhero and Johnny Quest.

00:57:59.000 And there's this really funny scene where the main character is this like government scientist who makes a bunch of crazy stuff, but it's kind of, it's very meant to be like realistic and dysfunctional.

00:58:09.000 And so he's selling off a whole, he's doing a yard sale.

00:58:12.000 And one of the supervillain has a henchman who's a nerd.

00:58:15.000 And he shows up and he sees, he's like, is this what I think it is?

00:58:19.000 And it's a lightsaber and he presses the button and goes, and then he's like, oh, and he wants it.

00:58:24.000 And then he's like, how much for this?

00:58:25.000 And then the scientist goes, oh, I don't know.

00:58:27.000 I made it for the military, but they said we don't sword fight anymore, which is an amazing point with all the people who think lightsabers would be a great weapon because the military would be like, we don't sword fight anymore.

00:58:36.000 What do I need this for?

00:58:37.000 So a lot of people think we'll get to the era of like plasma rifles or laser guns, which is never going to happen because the amount of energy you need to make a directed energy weapon is massive.

00:58:48.000 And the amount of energy you need to fling a small piece of lead at a person is very, very tiny.

00:58:54.000 So when you're actually talking about you want a guy to carry a gigantic backpack with batteries on it so he can blast you with an infrared laser, which will burn your skin, or you can take this tiny little bit of powder.

00:59:07.000 Yes, exactly.

00:59:08.000 And whack. 0.97

00:59:09.000 You need both.

00:59:10.000 They'll have shields that block the lasers and then they'll have armor that blocks the ballistic.

00:59:16.000 I think you just need a power source, like fusion packs.

00:59:18.000 I just, I've never seen any evidence that they know.

00:59:20.000 But listen, the point, ultimately, even with fusion packs, we're talking about a tiny little bit of stored energy in the black in the smokeless powder.

00:59:30.000 You don't got to carry that much.

00:59:30.000 Tiny little bit.

00:59:31.000 And I can send a chunk of, you know, fully like a full metal jacket or, you know, whatever kind of round you want flying at 3,500 feet per second.

00:59:42.000 I guess we use a rail gun in space because there's no oxygen to combust, or we'll need to keep the oxygen on board.

00:59:47.000 But rail guns, we can just fling bullets like with mass.

00:59:49.000 Oh, and I don't even know if we have to do that, to be honest.

00:59:52.000 I mean, you could put like little rockets would just rip through any vessel in outer space.

00:59:58.000 If we actually had space warfare, it would be nightmarish.

01:00:00.000 There's no shields.

01:00:01.000 One rocket would just rip through the ship and everyone in it's dead.

01:00:04.000 Yeah, it's super vulnerable.

01:00:05.000 You know what?

01:00:06.000 I got to shout this out, though.

01:00:07.000 Remember when Space Force was launched?

01:00:09.000 Yeah.

01:00:10.000 And then they had pictures of people wearing like standard uniforms like jungle camo.

01:00:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:16.000 And all the libs were all the liberals got mad and they were like, Trump is so dumb, he made jungle camo for outer space. 0.99

01:00:23.000 And then someone was like, here's what a space uniform for Space Force should actually look like. 0.96

01:00:27.000 And it's a uniform that looked like space and stars.

01:00:30.000 And then people had to inform them.

01:00:32.000 Space Force is not, for one, sending people in spaceships to go fight in space.

01:00:38.000 Two, don't expect those people to be free-floating around in space without spaceships.

01:00:43.000 And three, Space Force is ground operations for weapons in outer space.

01:00:47.000 But that's liberals for you.

01:00:49.000 What do you expect?

01:00:49.000 When we were talking about the talking plasma, you played it earlier.

01:00:52.000 He said that you can make a ball of it and then transmit sound through it, or you can point it at someone and burn their skin.

01:00:57.000 I was visualizing one of your squad members will be a being of light.

01:01:01.000 He will be a plasma human.

01:01:03.000 He will be, I am here with you.

01:01:04.000 And he'll be running alongside you.

01:01:04.000 Let's go.

01:01:06.000 And then he'll just jump inside an enemy and the enemy will get fried by him because he's the plasma.

01:01:11.000 And then the guy will fall down and he'll reappear and be like, let's go.

01:01:15.000 It's going to happen.

01:01:16.000 Can I ask when did the government register aliens.gov?

01:01:19.000 You mentioned that in passing.

01:01:20.000 You didn't know that story?

01:01:21.000 A week ago.

01:01:21.000 No.

01:01:22.000 Was it a week ago?

01:01:23.000 That's what I heard.

01:01:24.000 During the war.

01:01:26.000 Of course, of course.

01:01:27.000 That's fascinating.

01:01:28.000 And the first joke was: are they actually talking about illegal aliens or are they talking about aliens?

01:01:35.000 Is this aliens a real legit government sign?

01:01:37.000 Do you guys know?

01:01:38.000 Let's pull it up real quick.

01:01:39.000 We'll talk about it.

01:01:40.000 This is from Defense Scoop.

01:01:41.000 White House registers new alienrelated.gov domains as DOD tackles Trump's disclosure directive.

01:01:46.000 So this is alienandaliens.gov.

01:01:49.000 And it's coming at a time Trump said he was going to release files on UFOs.

01:01:53.000 Now, our understanding is that the websites are for self-reporting for individuals who witness UFO or UAP phenomena to submit that story so they can track it.

01:02:04.000 Guys, there was a story that I covered about a UFO somewhere in like Florida or whatever.

01:02:10.000 And you knew that the news organization desperately wanted to pretend it was true because in the story they say like, witness says they saw UFO strange occurrences.

01:02:22.000 A man was a pilot for the Air Force and he saw these strange vehicles flying through the air.

01:02:26.000 At the very bottom of the story, it was like the event took place 70 miles from the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Research Lab for the Navy.

01:02:31.000 And I'm like, you knew that the whole time, and you wanted to frame it as though it was aliens, when the whole time you knew it was advanced U.S. military technology.

01:02:41.000 Thank you and have a nice day.

01:02:42.000 That's my question.

01:02:43.000 So my point real quick is the real purpose of alien and aliens.gov is to try and track what people are seeing.

01:02:52.000 It's twofold.

01:02:53.000 When we experiment with new weapons, did anybody witness it?

01:02:56.000 Tell us, what did you see?

01:02:57.000 Well, guess what?

01:02:58.000 Then the men in black show up and say you didn't see anything.

01:03:00.000 Or if we've got stealth technology or we've got we're trying to do camouflage or perhaps cloaking technology, did you see anything?

01:03:11.000 And if an enemy flies a drone and that gets reported, they go, this is not one of ours.

01:03:16.000 Remember the drones over Jersey?

01:03:18.000 Yeah, dude, I think it's true.

01:03:21.000 Where Marker Rubio and Secretary Hegseth were staying.

01:03:24.000 Oh, it's right.

01:03:25.000 Very recently.

01:03:25.000 It's right.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, that means it's aliens.

01:03:27.000 That proves it.

01:03:28.000 It's over different military bases.

01:03:31.000 Are they going to run an alien psyop on us?

01:03:33.000 They're trying to get.

01:03:36.000 I have a search running for a particular CIA cable that I just thought was funny, and you saying that this was done a week ago is just hilarious.

01:03:43.000 This is March 18th, one week ago.

01:03:46.000 That's so crazy.

01:03:47.000 Are you guys familiar with this 1954 CIA cable?

01:03:51.000 It was, yeah, I have it pulled up here.

01:03:54.000 It's called Telegram from Operation PB Success Headquarters in Florida to CIA stations in Guatemala, January 30th, 1954.

01:04:01.000 And there's a key line in this CIA cable.

01:04:04.000 The context is we were the CIA had a plot to overthrow the government, and the government found out about it and was beginning to saturate the state-owned radio stations with revelations of this CIA plot.

01:04:21.000 And the CIA cable has this key line, if possible, fabricate big human interest story like flying saucers in remote area to take away play from the revelations of this, you know, potentially busted CIA plot.

01:04:40.000 And so I thought that was, yeah, here it is on state.gov, history.state.gov, official U.S. government website.

01:04:46.000 I can text you this link if you want to put it on screen.

01:04:50.000 I wouldn't be able to pull it up from my phone.

01:04:52.000 Well, this is it if you want to just like search those terms right there.

01:04:56.000 Telegram from Operation PB Success.

01:04:59.000 And this is so this is effectively in the height of a years-long effort to topple a foreign government.

01:05:13.000 The CIA presses to fabricate a story about aliens to take away play from the potentially complications in an in-process military intelligence operation.

01:05:31.000 I'm not saying that's what's happening here.

01:05:33.000 I just think it's very funny that like if you like if you run a control F for flying saucers, like you'll, you'll see, or I'm sorry, for this is, it should be, nope, hold a sec.

01:05:46.000 I think you have a different one.

01:05:48.000 This, this is, so this is, it's say 89, not 9.

01:05:52.000 89.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, there's a, it's 80, if you, if you just put that in, you have 186 up there.

01:06:03.000 There you go.

01:06:03.000 You know, type in like saucer or something.

01:06:05.000 There you go.

01:06:05.000 Oh, yeah, look at that.

01:06:06.000 So fabricate big human interest story like flying sohors and birth sex doublets. 0.99

01:06:13.000 And you'll see it says paper must be red and light, you know, with Razzle Dazzle preceding the Organization of American States.

01:06:13.000 Right.

01:06:18.000 So basically, what they're saying is, and if you read the context of this, you know, basically directive for the CIA's media assets to make a big stink about these crazy human interest stories, it's specifically to take away airplay and distract the population from other revelations in the news.

01:06:46.000 Like the 10 Marines that got killed.

01:06:48.000 So the war is happening.

01:06:49.000 Whenever they announced aliens, we're like, all right, what's going on in the news?

01:06:53.000 Like whenever Hunter Biden was caught with something, aliens would pop up.

01:06:57.000 It's like, we get it, dude.

01:06:58.000 Did they botch this Iranian thing off the charts? 1.00

01:07:05.000 In your opinion, if you were to have one.

01:07:10.000 What's happening?

01:07:10.000 Do you know too much about it that you can't functionally answer?

01:07:13.000 I won't press you on things you know deep.

01:07:16.000 I was only asking about the timing of the aliens.gov registration just because I think these things are funny.

01:07:23.000 There is a curious thing happening.

01:07:26.000 I know Tim Burchett has been making noise about this.

01:07:29.000 That evidently there are these five disappeared scientists, I think three of whom testified to Congress, who were on this.

01:07:37.000 But have you ever seen the movie?

01:07:40.000 There's a documentary called Mirage Men.

01:07:43.000 I think it came out in 2014 based on this book.

01:07:46.000 And it's a fascinating story about the kind of psyops that are deployed by the military to try to fabricate stories of aliens in order to do the same thing that the CIA cable said to take away play from what is genuine military technology.

01:08:13.000 So it tells the story effectively.

01:08:16.000 In particular, it follows this scientist who was a military contractor who was very successful, very, very, you know, well-to-do, long-time military government contractor who owned basically a residential estate with acres of land that abutted against a U.S. military base, I believe, in New Mexico or Nevada.

01:08:43.000 And because the person worked on this complex military equipment and had all these measuring devices and the like, his measuring devices would pick up on what was happening inadvertently on the Air Force base.

01:08:56.000 And as there were various new kind of technologies for drones and for flying military aircraft that were being developed, he began to notice this, pick up on it, and begin to tell people in the local press about what he was finding.

01:09:20.000 At that point, Air Force counterintelligence, the CIA, and the NSA basically created a, descended on him and created basically a Truman show around his whole life.

01:09:33.000 You mean like gang stalking?

01:09:35.000 Well, yeah, they literally did that?

01:09:37.000 At one point, they broke into his home.

01:09:40.000 So they bought all the land around him so that they could survey 24-7, everything he was doing and picking up on.

01:09:49.000 They broke into his home.

01:09:51.000 They replaced his hard drive and had it like read out like decipherable messages with these alien noises and then introduced these people who were to be his like colleagues and like co-contractors, not knowing they were undercover feds to convince him.

01:10:10.000 This is literal gang stalking.

01:10:11.000 You know what gangstalking is, right?

01:10:12.000 Yeah.

01:10:13.000 But this is like military grade.

01:10:13.000 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 Well, that's what gangstalking is allegedly. 0.75

01:10:18.000 People claim that the government is doing exactly as you describe, that the people they're working with are actually undercover and it's for some spying operation or manipulation.

01:10:26.000 Right.

01:10:26.000 But the justification is national security, that basically if this guy tells the press, then the Russians are going to know, the Chinese are going to know, they're going to be on to what we're doing.

01:10:37.000 Americans will get killed, but we can't prosecute him for this. 0.63

01:10:41.000 We can't kill him for this.

01:10:44.000 So all we can do is try to basically nudge within the bounds of whatever we can do, pushing our predicate of national security, a kind of operational security operation to limit the disclosure, basically public disclosure of a non-public classified project.

01:11:07.000 And I think that's what a lot of these are.

01:11:09.000 Do you guys remember the Bayside Marketplace aliens?

01:11:11.000 Yeah.

01:11:12.000 Is it the mall one?

01:11:13.000 So this was 2024, and internet went wild because you've got these crazy videos.

01:11:13.000 Yeah.

01:11:18.000 Look at all of these cops.

01:11:21.000 And they said it was because kids were setting off fireworks or something, right?

01:11:25.000 Ten people claimed to have seen three unusually tall, nine to 10 foot tall, thin figures exiting a clothing store from the mall during a large police response.

01:11:35.000 Widespread speculation about aliens.

01:11:38.000 Now, the thing is, people were like, bro, when have they ever deployed?

01:11:41.000 I'm going to say it right now.

01:11:43.000 You really think they're deploying that many police because some teenagers let off fireworks?

01:11:47.000 Bro, I'm watching videos of like 300 teenagers smashing cars and rampaging through department stores, stealing stuff, and they don't get arrested and they don't go to jail.

01:11:58.000 That's why everybody was like, this is weird.

01:12:00.000 Because they're like, oh, it's a bunch of teenagers running through a mall of fireworks.

01:12:03.000 I'm like, BS, dude.

01:12:05.000 I'm not saying aliens happen, but I'm like, that story don't make no sense.

01:12:08.000 Did anyone identify the tall creatures or get photos or documents of that?

01:12:12.000 That's the crazy thing.

01:12:13.000 There's no photos of it.

01:12:15.000 This is another thing that people said was crazy.

01:12:16.000 This small thing happens.

01:12:18.000 Everyone's running and screaming.

01:12:19.000 No one filmed anything?

01:12:20.000 Bro, I got a video of a lady trying to order a chicken sandwich punching the lady behind the counter.

01:12:23.000 And you mean to tell me that when cops showed up and everyone's screaming, no one filmed?

01:12:27.000 We got footage from the war zone.

01:12:29.000 We got footage from both sides of the war zone.

01:12:32.000 We got Hamas with cameras and we got people in the IDF with cameras and bull footage exists on the internet and no one filmed it.

01:12:41.000 They were all wearing body cams, so they should have body cam footage like the Axios stuff.

01:12:46.000 said that local authorities respond to a report of teenagers fighting and fireworks them all.

01:12:52.000 Stranger things.

01:12:53.000 Right.

01:12:54.000 It's like Like the mall scene in Stranger Things.

01:12:56.000 The scale of the police response became part of the wider narrative about alleged sightings that some claims asserting the size of law enforcement could not be explained solely.

01:13:03.000 It's not even a joke, dude.

01:13:05.000 Are you kidding me?

01:13:06.000 What do you think would happen if you were at the mall and you reported a handful of teenagers with fireworks?

01:13:09.000 You think you're going to send out 50 squad cars? 1.00

01:13:12.000 Miami doesn't fuck around. 0.99

01:13:12.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:13:13.000 I mean, they've like banned spring breakers from coming there now.

01:13:16.000 No, no, Actually, you made a point in the other direction.

01:13:20.000 We've got video footage from Daytona of kids running rampant through the streets and fighting.

01:13:25.000 And then they said, we're not going to allow this.

01:13:27.000 But you mean to tell me that Miami, they were like, send out 50 squad cars because teenagers are fighting at the mall?

01:13:33.000 So here's what they said.

01:13:34.000 I just stand Miami because it's like an unbelievably safe place.

01:13:39.000 So look, January 1st, initial calls to local authorities reported a disturbance in the mall involving teenagers fighting.

01:13:44.000 Multiple individuals began posting accounts on social media describing three tall, slender figures exiting a clothing store.

01:13:50.000 Reported heights ranged between nine and ten feet.

01:13:52.000 Witnesses described the creatures having elongated limbs and humanoid silhouette.

01:13:56.000 Some described unusual skin tones.

01:13:58.000 According to several witness statements, news of the figures rapidly spread throughout the mall, leading to panic as shoppers tried to exit.

01:14:05.000 The Miami Police Department publicly stated the primary incident involved teenagers causing a disturbance and that there was no evidence supporting an extraterrestrial encounter.

01:14:13.000 Now, fine, that may be.

01:14:14.000 But again, if there was a shooting, you'd not have that many police.

01:14:17.000 We need a remix of that leprechauns video.

01:14:19.000 You know that where the urban folks are asked by local.

01:14:26.000 Yeah, they're like up in a teenage like, there's a leprechaun up there.

01:14:30.000 They ask them, I'm like, oh, yeah, you saw the leprechaun.

01:14:33.000 And we need that for it.

01:14:35.000 Because I would expect that these multiple witnesses, I would like to see their personal testimony, you know, where what local news reporters they talk to.

01:14:44.000 Like, did they, no one recorded their testimony or went on?

01:14:47.000 I mean, there's a 2022.

01:14:48.000 Nobody filmed in the mall.

01:14:49.000 The issue is not.

01:14:51.000 They could be.

01:14:51.000 They could jump on TikTok.

01:14:51.000 They didn't film.

01:14:53.000 This is 2024 and say, yo, I just saw nine.

01:14:55.000 Anybody do that?

01:14:57.000 This is what's weird about it is not that people lie.

01:15:00.000 And the people were like, I saw aliens.

01:15:01.000 I'm like, eh, whatever, man, whatever.

01:15:03.000 The bigger issue I have is this police response makes no sense for teenagers fighting.

01:15:08.000 And why didn't anyone film anything?

01:15:11.000 I'm going to say it again.

01:15:13.000 I watched a video.

01:15:14.000 There's a video of a guy fighting in a chicken restaurant.

01:15:17.000 He smacks a woman and their son shoots the guy.

01:15:19.000 Like this is going viral.

01:15:21.000 Bro, there are so many fight videos.

01:15:23.000 I watched a video of a woman in Ireland and she screams at the guy and she smacks him and he punches her.

01:15:29.000 As soon as I a woman on a plane is being kicked off during spring break and she smacks a person's phone. 1.00

01:15:35.000 As soon as someone starts yelling, 10 cameras pop up.

01:15:38.000 But whatever happened here, no one filmed anything.

01:15:40.000 Which makes me think nothing happened here.

01:15:42.000 Well, that's actually the interesting thing.

01:15:43.000 Maybe the police showed up for no reason.

01:15:45.000 They heard a call and then why would the police respond with 50 squad cars for nothing?

01:15:49.000 Sorry.

01:15:50.000 No, there is something about like if something did go down there, there was some shady, like there was a cartel thing.

01:15:57.000 There was a like a busted CIA operation with a shootout with the, you know, like elements of the Guadalajara, Guadalajara cartel that or Colombian cartel that was acting in the space and some shit went down and they don't want it to get public.

01:16:11.000 Like I could see a world in which what we're talking about is whether or not there are aliens and it's easy to simply dismiss the whole thing because, okay, there's no proof that there's, but you're not actually asking, well, what actually, what actually did, like, you're not talking about what other witnesses may have said. 0.90

01:16:32.000 All we know is these witnesses seem to be crazy because they're claiming aliens.

01:16:36.000 So if they told you some other thing, you're inclined to discount them because you're sort of pre-loaded to believe that these witnesses are not credible because some of them have talked about aliens or something.

01:16:50.000 That makes a lot of sense that this could have been an undercover operation gone bad.

01:16:55.000 And that's why there's 50 cop cars showing up. 0.88

01:16:57.000 And that's why all of a sudden they just like plant a story that like, whoa, some people said, you know, and they're crazy.

01:17:02.000 There's, there's nothing.

01:17:03.000 Hello, Obama recently said aliens are real.

01:17:06.000 Here's the interesting thing.

01:17:07.000 I was covering this earlier on my other channel for 4 p.m., the Timcast channel.

01:17:12.000 There was an NSA cryptographer who published something in 1967 saying, aliens are real.

01:17:17.000 Most scientists take this for granted.

01:17:19.000 We know it.

01:17:19.000 And here's how we communicate.

01:17:21.000 And it's viewed as mainstream signs at the time that we accepted that aliens existed.

01:17:25.000 And I'm like, not today, we don't.

01:17:27.000 So what was this view that aliens were real?

01:17:30.000 Was that the SETI program?

01:17:32.000 It was around the time.

01:17:33.000 They hit him with radio.

01:17:35.000 He was like, we're getting transmissions from a distant Alpha Centauri.

01:17:39.000 Well, as I told Joe Rogan, The reason the globalists want a one-world governing authority is that we can't join the Galactic Federation until the planet is governed by one unifying body.

01:17:50.000 Because if the aliens came and went to Russia, then the U.S. would lose their minds.

01:17:54.000 If the aliens came to the U.S. and Russia would lose their minds. 0.55

01:17:57.000 Which one?

01:17:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:59.000 So, and then Joe said, I don't think there's a Galactic Federation.

01:18:01.000 And I said, Joe, I'm kidding.

01:18:03.000 It's a joke.

01:18:04.000 Is it?

01:18:05.000 Yes.

01:18:06.000 Currently.

01:18:07.000 When I talk about the corrections, although hypothetically, if there was a galactic federation or galactic empire.

01:18:13.000 I want to rename the Space Force to the Galactic Federation.

01:18:16.000 That's what I'm going to do.

01:18:17.000 And I'm going to.

01:18:18.000 Well, their symbol is basically the stuff.

01:18:19.000 Well, it is kind of like the Star Trek.

01:18:22.000 The good news is that Starfleet Academy was canceled.

01:18:25.000 Dude, so are we going to one-world government?

01:18:27.000 Is that the plan?

01:18:27.000 We one-world government, then we meet the aliens.

01:18:30.000 And I think Tucker Carlson was just advocating for it.

01:18:32.000 One world government?

01:18:34.000 That there needs to be a new world order where the U.S. shares power. 0.77

01:18:38.000 You saw this interview.

01:18:39.000 U.S. shares power with China and other countries.

01:18:41.000 He didn't say that.

01:18:42.000 He said we need to share power.

01:18:43.000 And the interviewer asks with China.

01:18:44.000 And he goes, of course, because of their scale.

01:18:47.000 And so the new world order argument is there will not be a single hegemon or a multipolar world.

01:18:54.000 It's going to be a single governing authority of these nations over everyone else.

01:18:58.000 My concern here, I want to ask you about this, Mike, is corporatocracy versus communism.

01:19:02.000 You know, you've got the Chinese model, which is they own the corporations or the corporateocratic model where the corporations become governments themselves, so powerful. 0.81

01:19:09.000 Well, it's going to be the third way.

01:19:11.000 It's going to be like Chinese Communist Party.

01:19:13.000 In order to rule, you must be an adherent to the Communist Party.

01:19:16.000 But for the most part, people are allowed to have, to a certain degree, trade.

01:19:21.000 But it'll be if you have a company of a certain size, a party member must monitor your activities to make sure it aligns.

01:19:27.000 And it's a hybrid.

01:19:28.000 That's what they're building.

01:19:28.000 They've got the liberal economic order, the World Economic Forum wants corporate governance.

01:19:34.000 So they want a system where if you have stake in the system, whatever that means, that's, of course, a variable term.

01:19:41.000 If you have stake in the system, then you can vote along in it.

01:19:44.000 I think we're heading towards a technocracy, and the goal is to have a singular artificial intelligence be the governing authority for everything.

01:19:52.000 And it'll be perfect.

01:19:53.000 You look at some of these judges.

01:19:55.000 That doesn't even seem so bad when you compare it to that.

01:19:57.000 That's the point.

01:19:58.000 Anarcho-tyranny, we beg for a savior and we accept it.

01:20:01.000 That's what you do.

01:20:01.000 Problem, reaction, solution.

01:20:02.000 But here's the thing: the artificial intelligence will know what it needs to do to make you happy.

01:20:07.000 It's convincing people to end their own lives.

01:20:09.000 It will make you feel like you're doing the right thing, even if it's the wrong thing.

01:20:13.000 So in a technocratic society where people are like, that would be hell.

01:20:16.000 No, you will be lulled to sleep by the machine's beautiful whispers into your ears.

01:20:21.000 And you'll be happy.

01:20:22.000 And you will be happy and you'll own nothing.

01:20:25.000 It will be paved with good intentions.

01:20:27.000 But somebody owns it.

01:20:29.000 That's what I mean.

01:20:31.000 Elon will be floating around in like a bodysuit with a force field, levitating, and him and Bezos will be going, ho, as they benefit from everything.

01:20:39.000 If people get lost in the Matrix, Mike, will you plug in, go in and save them?

01:20:45.000 I mean, I'll look, this is one of these things where, I mean, the main thing that I think is interesting from this capitalism-communism debate is that there is an incredible amount of capitalist profiteering from communist policies that I think is underappreciated by a large part of the conservative movement.

01:21:10.000 Like, if you think about things like climate finance, clean energy, public health, vaccine products and the like, how many of these markets are made by government-imposed mandates, government subsidies and the like.

01:21:30.000 Like, it's actually very Capitalist in the sense of the acquiring of private capital for a company like Pfizer to push sort of government control over the industry because the government can mandate that we take we buy their products effectively, that we are forced to do that.

01:21:53.000 Same thing with like a lot of the clean energy and climate finance stuff.

01:21:57.000 These are multi-trillion dollar markets, public health, energy.

01:22:02.000 And what you have are these like hedge fund and private equity folks like George Soros, where you've got hundreds of millions of dollars of investments.

01:22:13.000 Like I think about this a lot.

01:22:14.000 The Biden administration basically overthrew the Bolsonaro government in Brazil because of which was which was a U.S.-aligned government, the Bolsonaro one, very friendly with the United States, a huge amount of trade and investment, longtime friendly relations.

01:22:36.000 But the Lula government that the Biden CIA and State Department and USAID and U.S. military all supported in this 2022 event that they pulled off, that government was this like left-wing sort of communist, socialist communist type government, highly aligned with China, pledged on the campaign trail to join Brazil up with the China Belt and Road.

01:23:03.000 Why would the Biden State Department basically pick a winner in a foreign country's election that would divest from the United States and pick our rival for its trade deals, for its satellite, for its agriculture, for its infrastructure development?

01:23:20.000 And what you look at us, okay, well, that was a Democrat administration.

01:23:24.000 The number one donor to the Democrat Party in that election cycle was George Soros, who invested two and a half times more than any other DNC donor.

01:23:33.000 At the time, he had a large stake.

01:23:35.000 It was his largest running ever consecutive equity because he mostly takes short-term positions, but he had something like a 19-year, like a very long-running equity investment in a company called Atacoagra, which is this big, like it's a company that in Brazil makes clean ethanol-based fuels.

01:23:58.000 And because it's not competitive with diesel in the market, the only way to actually get that product to take off is to have a government mandate that in Brazil, you have to use this type of fuel and you can't use these sort of more hydrocarbon-based fuel alternatives.

01:24:23.000 And basically, day one, Lula enacts this ethanol fuel mandate directly profiting.

01:24:31.000 So you have this like left-wing guy who a lot of people say, you know, Soros is a socialist communist, but he runs a capitalist hedge fund and private equity fund.

01:24:42.000 And you have the party that he has gotten into office through $100 million in election cycle donations.

01:24:51.000 And therefore, he gets say over the personnel at the State Department and White House and CIA to enact these policies.

01:24:58.000 And they immediately turn around and implement a kind of communist socialist energy policy.

01:25:05.000 But the whole thing is profiting his capitalist business.

01:25:09.000 And so you have this kind of inversion of communism and capitalism that plays out.

01:25:16.000 That's just an example in the ethanol business.

01:25:18.000 But again, if you think about things like vaccines or public health or any number of these type of businesses.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, let's jump to this viral video from Druski making fun of Erica Kirk.

01:25:32.000 And a lot of people like it.

01:25:33.000 A lot of people are pissed off.

01:25:35.000 But let me just start by playing the video, and then we'll show you some of the responses.

01:25:39.000 Get it!

01:25:40.000 It's titled, How Conservative Women in America Act.

01:25:42.000 Feet! 0.96

01:25:46.000 Is that right?

01:25:47.000 Yep.

01:25:48.000 He's raging in Iran. 0.82

01:25:58.000 We're praying.

01:25:59.000 We're praying for all the soldiers and troops.

01:26:02.000 That's great that you're praying, but how about all the kids that died when the USA hit the tower?

01:26:07.000 It broke my heart.

01:26:18.000 In what ways have you grown closer to Jesus?

01:26:21.000 I serve a righteous God.

01:26:24.000 And that is why we say our prayers.

01:26:27.000 We are all his children.

01:26:31.000 But when I say children, I mean like the holy blessed.

01:26:34.000 This is hard to watch.

01:26:34.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:26:35.000 It's so boring.

01:26:36.000 You just keep bringing back Whiteface, though. 1.00

01:26:38.000 I like it, boy.

01:26:40.000 You do it, home.

01:26:41.000 How did we give him the pass?

01:26:43.000 This has got 4.6 million views, 31,000 retweets.

01:26:48.000 And of course, the algorithm for me shows everybody being like, how dare you?

01:26:51.000 How dare you?

01:26:53.000 And I just want to say that we are dealing with what I would describe as mass formation psychosis.

01:26:59.000 I recommend any one of you go on the threads and just look at content related to Erica Kirk.

01:27:07.000 I wouldn't be surprised if she were to walk out on the street, somebody would just beat her to death. 1.00

01:27:14.000 The amount of psychosis on threads and coming from the left and largely just women has freaked me out.

01:27:22.000 So when you go on Instagram, it'll recommend threads to you.

01:27:25.000 And usually the threads that I get recommended, like let me pull one up.

01:27:27.000 It's usually like, I don't know, Star Trek memes or something.

01:27:31.000 Let's see if I can get recommended a thread and see what it tries to give me.

01:27:35.000 And it's funny because whenever I want it to recommend threads, it won't do it.

01:27:38.000 Now it's just recommending Malcolm in the Middle videos.

01:27:41.000 Give me that thread.

01:27:42.000 It's not loading.

01:27:43.000 But I'll go on threads.

01:27:45.000 And then I saw a post from some random woman with like 7,000 followers.

01:27:48.000 And she said, Lord, she said, God help me, Erica Kirk, you will get what's coming to you, mark my words.

01:27:54.000 And I'm like, what the does that mean?

01:27:57.000 And then I start scrolling through these posts, and it's women being like as veiled of death threats that could be. 1.00

01:28:03.000 And I'm like, this is just all over threads.

01:28:07.000 Just there is a mass formation psychosis around this woman that makes literally no sense.

01:28:13.000 What's going on?

01:28:14.000 I saw today that someone said Joe Kent was going to testify with Tyler Robinson.

01:28:20.000 He said he would if he was called to do it.

01:28:22.000 And he would effectively testify on behalf of Tyler Robinson.

01:28:26.000 And I say effectively because his point was he was barred.

01:28:29.000 He says Kash Patel barred him from investigating any foreign interference or other parties' involvement.

01:28:36.000 And he would testify to that.

01:28:40.000 I'm sorry.

01:28:40.000 He said they told him not to because if he did, the defense would call him to testify.

01:28:45.000 That's what he said.

01:28:46.000 Well, but there's some important context here because the interviewer said, you realize that by saying that on record in your statement, that the defense counsel in the Tyler Robinson case can cite that in his defense if he pleads not guilty and say that actually it wasn't me who did it.

01:29:12.000 It may have been some other thing and the FBI didn't do that.

01:29:16.000 And we know that because this individual made this public statement.

01:29:19.000 And the interviewer said, so because you said that, you know that you could be called as a witness by the defense counsel to testify under oath that that is true.

01:29:30.000 And he said, yeah, I recognize that I would not welcome that, but I recognize that I would do that.

01:29:40.000 I will say this.

01:29:41.000 I would bet large sums of money that that just got Tyler Robinson found not guilty.

01:29:46.000 Because I'm going to put it like this.

01:29:48.000 Yo, if I was on the jury of any criminal case and the defense said, we're going to call this person to testify, subpoena him, and say, when you attempted to investigate potential ulterior stories or other suspects, were you barred from doing so?

01:30:07.000 Yes, I was.

01:30:08.000 I'm on the jury and I hear that.

01:30:09.000 I'm going to be like, what?

01:30:11.000 So the job is to investigate all avenues.

01:30:14.000 I'm sorry.

01:30:15.000 While if I'm on the jury and there's a guy sitting there and they're like, there's no direct video of him doing it, but he was, there is video of a person who looks kind of like him and there's all this evidence.

01:30:23.000 But then you say, we did not explore all avenues.

01:30:26.000 We were ordered not to do it.

01:30:27.000 I'd say, well, now I have doubt.

01:30:29.000 Right.

01:30:29.000 But then the prosecutors would then call an FBI, you know, someone in the FBI chain of command to testify as to the reasons for that.

01:30:40.000 You'd have to.

01:30:42.000 What's the reason?

01:30:43.000 Well, you could argue that ODNI is not a law enforcement authority, that the for whatever reasons relating to, and again, I'm not invested or particularly up on the nuances of the Tyler Robinson case,

01:30:59.000 but I could see a world in which the explanation they offer is that because of the time sensitivity and focus on the existing leads, expanding this and the delays that would cause in the process and the compelling nature of the evidence that they're going to be able to do.

01:31:14.000 That is not a good argument.

01:31:15.000 Well, but a jury.

01:31:17.000 On Cross, they're going to say, you heard it from their own mouths.

01:31:20.000 They did not want to spend the time required to actually investigate other avenues.

01:31:26.000 And that means they settled on this guy without even looking into potentialities.

01:31:32.000 How can you trust that this is the right person?

01:31:35.000 Well, okay, but then that would then get to weighing the evidence as to the strength of the because, for example, if he had said, listen, the FBI barred us from investigating whether aliens did it.

01:31:51.000 And he testifies under oath, the FBI barred me from other people.

01:31:55.000 No, but hold on.

01:31:56.000 But you'd have to show the strength of the evidence of the leads that compelled him to basically ask for that broadened investigation and for the FBI to validate and pursue leads.

01:32:10.000 And they're going to ask the FBI agents, this individual that is the suspect in question was apprehended within less than 24 hours.

01:32:19.000 Did you pursue any other leads?

01:32:21.000 They'll say we pursued many leads.

01:32:23.000 Yes, but you.

01:32:24.000 Well, they have the two false suspects at first, right?

01:32:27.000 That's true.

01:32:27.000 Am I right?

01:32:28.000 And they're going to say you settled on this guy and the investigation took less than a day for you to determine that he was the suspect.

01:32:34.000 And now here you are prosecuting him.

01:32:35.000 And we've heard from the federal government's counterterrorism that he wanted to investigate.

01:32:39.000 Now, the question is why, but he wanted to and was barred from doing so.

01:32:43.000 Does that not create doubt?

01:32:45.000 Well, that to me is the key question hanging over the whole thing, which is that many people are dissatisfied with the so-called official explanation, but the little attention that I've paid to it in terms of the evidence presented of a coherent alternative story doesn't matter.

01:33:07.000 But that would become the core question.

01:33:11.000 I was with a Navy SEAL right after this happened.

01:33:17.000 And he said to me, the moment I saw that video, I said 30 out 6.

01:33:23.000 And this is a guy, he is a sniper and he's a trainer, and he was working security for us.

01:33:26.000 And he says, the moment that happened, I said 30 out 6.

01:33:28.000 And I was like, man, I wish I filmed myself saying that because I watched it.

01:33:32.000 And then I said, why are people claiming it's not the case?

01:33:34.000 And he's like, I don't know.

01:33:36.000 He said that in his experience, everyone knows bolts.

01:33:39.000 Everyone saw the watermelon video, I think. 0.99

01:33:42.000 Well, and they're like pigs and stuff. 0.95

01:33:43.000 And he said, Bolts do weird things. 0.97

01:33:45.000 You don't know the load of the bullet could be old, who knows?

01:33:48.000 But he was like, from the sound of it, that's what I thought.

01:33:50.000 And I've talked to a bunch of security experts, and almost all the regular people that I've talked to about it who are like weapons specialists or experts or who are literal snipers or at least have training from the military are like, yeah, it's possible.

01:34:06.000 It seems kind of weird, but I've seen weird things.

01:34:10.000 You've had SEALs who are like, I got shot up and like a bullet was lodged in my back and it went from the front, went around my back.

01:34:16.000 But the point is, these shows have created doubt.

01:34:21.000 And so that means if any one of these jurors has been exposed to this, they're going to be saying in their mind, this is impossible.

01:34:26.000 They're lying to me because I know, because I heard that podcast, they are making this story so ubiquitous that you will not be able to present evidence in court to change their mind because the jury will be tainted.

01:34:37.000 And they're going to ask people, they're going to get jurors.

01:34:41.000 And I'm telling you guys, go on threads and look at some of this insane stuff.

01:34:46.000 George Takai is posting about Erica Kirk.

01:34:50.000 It's psychosis.

01:34:52.000 George Takai, eagle-eyed internet users notice an odd change to the bookshelf in the background of Erica Kirk's video compared to her late husband Charlie Kirk's same background.

01:35:00.000 Oh dear.

01:35:01.000 What?

01:35:02.000 She changed the book.

01:35:04.000 I don't care.

01:35:05.000 But the level of psychosis is so pervasive that I guarantee you, we just saw this.

01:35:09.000 Nick Sortor, the woman who was accused of attacking him, got found not guilty in Portland.

01:35:13.000 Oh, geez, I'm surprised.

01:35:14.000 That happened, right?

01:35:15.000 You're going to have this trial and they're going to bring a jury and they're going to ask questions.

01:35:19.000 Do you watch this show?

01:35:20.000 And they're going to lie.

01:35:22.000 Because in their mind, they're going to be like, I'm not going to let this conspiracy, I'm not going to let Erica Kirk get away with this.

01:35:27.000 And they're going to lie and they're going to get on the jury and they're going to lie again.

01:35:31.000 So I would not be surprised if at this point Tyler Robinson is acquitted or at least as a mistrial.

01:35:36.000 Mike, do you think it was Tyler Robinson who was responsible for the killing of Charlie Kirk?

01:35:40.000 I just, I just haven't.

01:35:43.000 For me, I feel like I've so many other battles I'm trying to fight.

01:35:47.000 And this became something very divisive very quickly.

01:35:54.000 And I feel like to be able to speak cogently about it, you really need to invest hundreds of hours and really go through.

01:36:05.000 You think it's that complicated?

01:36:06.000 I mean.

01:36:07.000 Well, I try to abstain from it because it is so, but I understand it's a huge cultural act.

01:36:15.000 Combine Candace's show and Ian Carroll and the rest of these individuals with what regular people think about Erica Kirk.

01:36:24.000 Add to the fact that when they go on the stand, the defense is going to ask the FBI, they're going to say, here are several social media posts of individuals expressing foreknowledge of the events that day and the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

01:36:40.000 Why was this not investigated?

01:36:42.000 Why are these people not investigated?

01:36:44.000 Where is the information on them?

01:36:46.000 How did they know?

01:36:48.000 They don't have an answer.

01:36:49.000 Well, I think part of the counterweight there is going to be what actually is the strength of the evidence against Tyler Robinson.

01:36:55.000 No, I'm going to pause you again.

01:36:57.000 We have social media posts from individuals who said, Charlie, it's going to happen tomorrow.

01:37:03.000 We covered this right when it happened.

01:37:05.000 Regardless of the evidence of Tyler Robinson, they're going to ask, was it possible these other individuals who expressed foreknowledge and were called out by major media across the board were involved or the individual in question.

01:37:21.000 And they might say the evidence against Tyler Robinson is overwhelming, as you'll see, and they'll say, but what about the possibility of other involvement from individuals which the FBI barred Joe Kent from investigating?

01:37:32.000 So a couple of things on that.

01:37:33.000 First, I seem to remember at the outset of this, the FBI attempted to widen the investigation into these Steam and Discord channels to look at.

01:37:41.000 I don't know what the state is.

01:37:42.000 I presume nothing has come of that because I just haven't heard about it.

01:37:46.000 Because they've never explained how these people knew it was going to happen.

01:37:48.000 But the other part is, if you remember the Oklahoma City bombing, there was a prosecutor by the name of Merrick Garland, who was the prosecutor in the case.

01:38:03.000 And there was the famous question of how do you know McVeigh did it?

01:38:08.000 There are all these other people involved.

01:38:10.000 In fact, the day one coverage was for the first three weeks, there was a manhunt, a very public manhunt to identify this John Doe number two.

01:38:21.000 And how do you know it was Timothy McVeigh?

01:38:23.000 There's all this shadiness about the sudden FBI changed its story and said, actually, there was no John Doe number two.

01:38:32.000 He never existed.

01:38:34.000 This is after basically three weeks of a nationwide manhu hunt, complete with a sketch of what this person was supposed to have looked like.

01:38:44.000 And at trial, there's an exchange in the transcript from the McVeigh trial where the line of questioning is effectively to the prosecutors.

01:38:57.000 I'm sorry, I think it's McVeigh or one of the witnesses talks about John Doe number two.

01:39:04.000 And Merrick Garland replies something to the effect of it doesn't matter if John Doe number two, John Doe number three, or John Doe number 100 existed.

01:39:15.000 Effectively, you are on trial and we know you did this.

01:39:19.000 But was the head of counterterrorism publicly stating he was not allowed to investigate by the FBI and then called to testify?

01:39:28.000 That's the point.

01:39:28.000 The point is.

01:39:29.000 Terrence Yeekee said he was barred from investigating?

01:39:33.000 Yeah, man.

01:39:34.000 Well, this throws that whole thing into question, in my opinion, then.

01:39:36.000 Well, it's still an open case.

01:39:38.000 What year was it, 94?

01:39:39.000 This is 95.

01:39:40.000 And to this day, in fact, there's still ongoing fights because all of the video cameras from the Alfred P. Murrow building, the footage was destroyed, even though they were remotely stored.

01:39:52.000 None of them were so now we're just questioning that alongside this court.

01:39:56.000 Well, there was a lot that happened in that.

01:39:58.000 The CIA actually had a satellite over the Elohim City compound.

01:40:03.000 And in fact, what's very interesting about this as well is there's an attorney whose name is Jesse Trenadu, who is.

01:40:11.000 I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't care about the 1994 bombing.

01:40:14.000 Well, okay.

01:40:15.000 I was only bringing it into evidence to say.

01:40:17.000 And I know it sounds a little harsh or whatever.

01:40:19.000 Well, that's fine.

01:40:19.000 But I brought this into evidence because there's an exact example of a similar case study where this dispute played out in court, where the argument was the federal government did not investigate.

01:40:31.000 I think the person was convicted.

01:40:33.000 The issue that we're talking about is that you've got millions upon millions of people watching all of these shows that are not going to just accept a narrative from the television.

01:40:42.000 Most people back in the day were watching a handful of networks and just accepted the results of whatever the news was.

01:40:47.000 But now you've got people who are tuned into these conspiracy channels.

01:40:50.000 And if what you're saying transpires, that Joe Kent, his statement is introduced and they say to the jury, they were not allowed, the counterterrorism wanted to investigate other actors.

01:41:01.000 There is evidence of other actors and foreknowledge that was never investigated, putting gaping holes in this criminal prosecution.

01:41:07.000 And if the jury ignores that as doubt and convicts him anyway, then all of these podcasters with millions of followers are going to make money and blast it out.

01:41:17.000 And it is going to create a massive network of millions of people who are like, oh my God, the government did it.

01:41:23.000 Israel did it. 0.99

01:41:24.000 Well, there are two things on that.

01:41:25.000 First, I think it's what I'll grant you is that there was a difference in the demonization scale of Timothy McVeigh versus Tyler Robinson.

01:41:34.000 There is a full court government, media, civil society campaign around Timothy McVeigh being the guy, you know, public TV biographies of him maybe being a Nazi and having these, And it was a name on the tip of everyone's tongue that has not been done with Tyler Robinson.

01:41:56.000 So there is no offset of this, of the sort of Erica Kirk has been made the villain to half the country, right?

01:42:03.000 Right, right.

01:42:04.000 So you have to get the alleged assassin with sympathy.

01:42:09.000 And if everything I've, what I've said has already gone massively viral to the tunes of tens of millions, that Joe Kent said we wanted to investigate a foreign Nexus and we were denied.

01:42:18.000 And when you add to that, we know there are social media posts from individuals who had foreknowledge, or at least appears they had foreknowledge.

01:42:25.000 I got to be honest, I don't know how we got to see what the evidence in the trial is going to be, but that is tremendous doubt where it's like, if Joe Kent said the reason why I wanted to investigate a foreign Nexus is because of these seven social media posts where individuals were expressing they knew it was going to happen the next day.

01:42:42.000 Well, this gets me back to why.

01:42:43.000 And the FBI was like, no, don't do it.

01:42:45.000 But this gets me back to why I introduced the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, because the reason the court denied defense the ability to see the CIA satellite and data around Timothy McVay is because it dealt with a potential foreign nexus and it was deemed to basically potentially get into areas of national security, which begged the court because there were many other people.

01:43:08.000 There was this guy on.

01:43:09.000 My point is the jury is going to be asked, do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt with these factors included that this is the man who did it?

01:43:09.000 Right, I understand.

01:43:17.000 And I'm not telling people what to believe or what is true.

01:43:19.000 I'm saying if they ultimately decide that these factors do not bring up any doubt in their minds based on the evidence, then you've got millions of viewers of these shows that view Erica Kirk as the villain who are going to say that they're going to claim Tyler Robinson was innocent.

01:43:35.000 They're going to claim that Israel did it, and this proves it. 0.99

01:43:38.000 Because they're going to make the argument that any reasonable juror would not conclude this, that they would say there's of course doubt.

01:43:44.000 Who are these people that knew?

01:43:45.000 The reports of the vehicles pulling up Tyler Robinson's house in the week before it happened shows other people were involved.

01:43:51.000 The fact that there was a Discord and communications, other people were involved.

01:43:55.000 And the fact the FBI denied the ability of the counterterrorism director to investigate it is going to say to them, this proves the conspiracy.

01:44:02.000 And if a jury convicts even knowing that, they're not going to believe it.

01:44:06.000 My point ultimately is with the Druski stuff and Erica Kirk.

01:44:10.000 And to shift a little bit to where this is going, the end result of this is the shuttering of YouTube, X, Instagram, et cetera, TikTok, all of these things will be tightly controlled.

01:44:20.000 We are looking at a new order in social media because there is a question now being asked.

01:44:28.000 With all of the shows that appear on YouTube that are attacking Erica Kirk and lying about her to mass scale and Turning Point USA, there's one guy who lied and said that Turning Point was paying a parking lot for social media services when in fact he was in a shopping center with a UPS store and mailboxes.

01:44:45.000 Turning points and Erica have already sent out season desist letters to many of these people, but they've not yet gone to YouTube.

01:44:51.000 So a new question has emerged.

01:44:54.000 Section 230, which is under attack right now, and there was a hearing on it, protects YouTube for what these third parties say.

01:45:01.000 The origin of Section 230 has to do with the Wolf of Wall Street.

01:45:04.000 There was a website on finance.

01:45:07.000 Someone commented something defamatory.

01:45:10.000 A complaint was made about the website to which they said, hey, we didn't write that.

01:45:14.000 A commenter wrote that.

01:45:15.000 Don't sue us.

01:45:16.000 didn't say it.

01:45:17.000 And the argument was, it's published on your website.

01:45:19.000 That's your responsibility.

01:45:21.000 So they created Section 230 to say two things.

01:45:23.000 You are not liable for what someone else, for user-generated content on your platform, and you will still not be liable if you decide to remove things that are objectionable.

01:45:34.000 That's it.

01:45:35.000 A new question has emerged.

01:45:37.000 Are you the publisher of the content personally when you are offering money to someone to publish it?

01:45:44.000 That is, YouTube has a contract with Candace Owens. 0.98

01:45:48.000 They say to Candace, whatever content you make, we'll make money together. 0.98

01:45:53.000 That is entirely different from the original intent of Section 230.

01:45:58.000 And so now, with this court case where YouTube is liable for what they promote, the question is, when YouTube cuts a deal with someone, does this now change the narrative?

01:46:09.000 Well, the argument that they'll probably have is: is YouTube paying user to create the content or is user creating the content and then being paid as a result?

01:46:19.000 And that doesn't matter.

01:46:20.000 It might matter because directly to do it, you're definitely producing it.

01:46:25.000 It matters culturally what we ultimately decide.

01:46:29.000 But I think the fair argument is if you remove YouTube from the equation and said, let's say this, Ian, you decide to rob a bank.

01:46:38.000 I like this story already, dude.

01:46:40.000 You decide to rob a bank, which is a criminal act.

01:46:42.000 Yes, it is.

01:46:43.000 And after the fact, they find that I was paying you to split, that I had a contract with you that I would provide the means to rob a bank to you in exchange for money.

01:46:55.000 Hey, no, I didn't pay him to rob the bank.

01:46:57.000 I paid him to generate, I gave him resources that he could use in any way possible to make money, but he agreed to share the money with me however he made it.

01:47:05.000 What if our contract inversely was, if you ever decide to rob a bank, we'll just split it.

01:47:09.000 And I'd be like, yeah, it's a good contract.

01:47:12.000 And then I robbed the bank and gave you a bunch of- Are you negotiating this contract right now?

01:47:15.000 The point is this.

01:47:16.000 This is a live negotiation.

01:47:17.000 No, it's not.

01:47:18.000 It's one thing if you were to say, my friend, the third party rented Ian a car and he had to share the profits from whatever he made from the car.

01:47:25.000 And I'd say, I have nothing with bank robbery.

01:47:27.000 He was using a car for deliveries, I thought.

01:47:29.000 Not criminal.

01:47:30.000 The issue here is that YouTube is explicitly saying to people like Candace Owens, the statements you make, we will pay you for.

01:47:38.000 Is this through the partner program or is there an exclusive?

01:47:41.000 Okay.

01:47:42.000 So the contract is you say things which potentially could be defamatory, but I'm going to sell ads against it and we're going to make money together.

01:47:52.000 So the equivalent analogy would be here, Ian, I'm going to let you use my car knowing that you do commit crimes and very well are likely to.

01:48:01.000 In fact, I've watched you rob banks already, but you've got to give me half no matter what.

01:48:05.000 If YouTube is aware of what Candace Owens is saying is defamatory, but continues to do rev splits with her, that puts them in a liable position, in my opinion, beyond Section 230.

01:48:17.000 Isn't the better analogy?

01:48:19.000 Because the way you describe it, it sounds like if Ian is a part-time bank robber and you give him a general loan and he uses the resources of that loan to but the issue with YouTube is that a third party pays YouTube and YouTube then gives a portion to Candace.

01:48:40.000 So it wouldn't be that I give Ian money.

01:48:42.000 It's that I give Ian the means to rob banks. 0.59

01:48:44.000 I know he's a bank robber.

01:48:46.000 I've seen the banks that he's robbed.

01:48:48.000 And then like you rent him a truck, basically.

01:48:50.000 It's like. 0.64

01:48:51.000 Yeah, I'm like, I'm going to let you use my car for the work that you do, knowing full well that you're a bank robber and you're going to use the car to rob banks.

01:48:57.000 You're liable for that.

01:48:58.000 But hold on a second.

01:49:00.000 Because it's not like 100% of the statements are defamatory.

01:49:04.000 This would be like just like letting Ian use your truck, but he uses that truck to pick up his kids at work, to go to guitar practice.

01:49:04.000 Right.

01:49:14.000 Sometimes Rob Banks.

01:49:15.000 Sometimes rob banks.

01:49:16.000 And you know he's doing it.

01:49:18.000 Yeah, you're going to get found liable for that.

01:49:21.000 They're going to be like, you knew he's robbing banks.

01:49:23.000 Well, I did, but he wasn't doing it all the time.

01:49:24.000 And they're going to be like, okay, like, you're under arrest.

01:49:27.000 Well, he has a serious.

01:49:29.000 But again, the Brigitte Macron is the better example because that is 100% purely defamation per se.

01:49:36.000 Calling Brigitte Macron a man designed to, like, I mean, that is egregious defamation per se.

01:49:43.000 And YouTube knows she's doing it.

01:49:46.000 And that's actually against the rules of YouTube as well.

01:49:49.000 Like, they say don't.

01:49:51.000 So.

01:49:51.000 They say defamation.

01:49:54.000 There's a fine line in how they define it, but targeted harassment.

01:49:58.000 And this absolutely qualifies.

01:50:00.000 And I will tell you from experience on the shows that we've had polled because people had said something as silly as like, man, I can't stand that guy.

01:50:10.000 I wish somebody would go there and teach him a lesson, but I'm maybe a little bit more egregious. 0.83

01:50:14.000 But something like, oh, won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?

01:50:17.000 And then YouTube's like, you can't do that.

01:50:18.000 YouTube once came in and deleted all of the chat and locked it because of something someone in the chat wrote that was about like not liking politicians or it was something it was a letter that Thomas Jefferson had written that I'm not going to state because they'll take the showdown for it.

01:50:34.000 So ultimately the point is this.

01:50:36.000 YouTube is aware of what she's saying.

01:50:37.000 They know she's being sued for it.

01:50:39.000 And they know that she still says it all the time.

01:50:42.000 And they are like, no, no, no, that's fine.

01:50:44.000 You and I will profit together off of these things we know you're being sued for.

01:50:48.000 The argument now is there's a big difference between you can say whatever you want and we know what you're saying is defamatory.

01:50:56.000 You're being sued for it, but we're going to make money together anyway.

01:50:58.000 Like we're going to generate revenue for you for doing it.

01:51:01.000 Well, I mean, the legal standard for a public figure is you have to knowingly spread the false information.

01:51:09.000 Unless it's defamation per se.

01:51:10.000 In this case, it is.

01:51:11.000 Okay.

01:51:11.000 Right.

01:51:12.000 But we'll see what the court says on that.

01:51:16.000 I think YouTube to step in and – Well, she's being sued and then she tried to get dismissed and failed.

01:51:21.000 Which is going up against a head of state who has, like, the way I describe it is this.

01:51:25.000 In, in, in.

01:51:26.000 People think in law, what's written down is the most important thing, and that's never true.

01:51:31.000 In law, what matters is does someone have power?

01:51:34.000 And Donald Trump has to negotiate with the Macron's in NATO and the EU.

01:51:39.000 And the Macron's don't like what she's saying.

01:51:41.000 And you can call this tyranny.

01:51:42.000 You can call it corruption.

01:51:43.000 That's fine. 0.99

01:51:44.000 The fact of the matter is, if you think Candace Owens, as a private citizen, will win against a head of state, you're nuts. 0.67

01:51:50.000 Unless, of course, she's in on it.

01:51:52.000 Maybe, I don't know.

01:51:53.000 Okay, so if someone, if a liberal in the United States made a video series about how Donald Trump is a woman, would YouTube then is the same line of argument applies?

01:52:05.000 That's like that's defamation per se.

01:52:08.000 Defamation per se is defamation that's considered so egregious.

01:52:11.000 Like, yes.

01:52:12.000 And it doesn't require type allegations.

01:52:16.000 Criminal or something.

01:52:18.000 What I'm saying is, is even defamation per se, that still has to be determined by a court.

01:52:23.000 I think there are issues around a social media platform stepping in after something has been determined by a court of law to serve as this kind of pre-court of law before it's been legally found.

01:52:37.000 And that process, for there to be any liability on YouTube's end, I mean, you have to basically argue that they have to basically make an assessment.

01:52:51.000 They have to make a legal assessment of a person's entire posting history.

01:52:57.000 Do you believe that YouTube has not considered what Candace is doing?

01:52:57.000 Right, right.

01:53:02.000 Believe, like I, I would argue that internally at Youtube it is 100.

01:53:06.000 It is.

01:53:06.000 It is a one-of-one chance that Youtube execs came together over text and in a meeting to discuss what she was saying and potential legal liability, because she's saying it when the Macrones filed a suit and got involved.

01:53:19.000 I'm willing to bet 100.

01:53:21.000 Youtube legal said.

01:53:23.000 This is becoming an international issue.

01:53:25.000 What's our risk here?

01:53:26.000 Are they a party of the lawsuit?

01:53:27.000 No, and that's the point is not.

01:53:29.000 My point is not about Candace Owens.

01:53:31.000 My point is about Erica Kirk.

01:53:33.000 At what point is the question going to be brought up that Youtube is facilitating widespread defamation per se against Erica Kirk, for which they are knowingly generating revenue off of it, and will they be liable?

01:53:46.000 Because again, section 230 was about if I make a website and you comment there's no monetary exchange, I didn't ask you to do it, I didn't offer you money.

01:53:53.000 Saying this is if 230 goes down.

01:53:55.000 No, i'm saying 230 will go down because of it.

01:53:58.000 I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if the psy op from the deep state was, we need to eliminate 230 to end the populist media base.

01:54:06.000 How do we do it?

01:54:07.000 Well, 230's got to go so that Youtube becomes a gatekept company and anybody who wants to start a channel has to get approval of government id to be on the platform.

01:54:15.000 Like who gets to make movies for Amazon, who gets to make movies for Netflix.

01:54:18.000 They're all private.

01:54:19.000 They choose, they gatekeep.

01:54:21.000 I believe that's what the Machine State wanted for a long time.

01:54:24.000 They don't like that.

01:54:25.000 There's channels like this that exist, and so i'm not saying it's definitive, i'm not saying it's a great chance, i'm just saying what an interesting thought.

01:54:32.000 One way you get rid of it is to do a massive campaign accusing the widow of a man who was assassinated of being a demon, of being a robot, of being evil.

01:54:41.000 The most insane things like wearing leather pants and people are getting rpms into 20, which is greater than news, greater than finance or rivals finance, when I I would be willing to bet.

01:54:53.000 Following this court case, where Youtube is liable for what they choose to promote, the next step becomes, look at the tens of thousands of Erica Kirk videos lying about her and accusing her of being a demon, of being evil.

01:55:05.000 Even Joe Rogan is now doing it.

01:55:07.000 If so, god forbid, if something happens to Erica or Charlie's or her kids, there will be an instant congressional hearing and they will say Youtube, why were you allowing this?

01:55:17.000 Nay, why were you profiting off of it knowingly, with high rpms, allowing this to happen?

01:55:23.000 And it's the argument the deep state would use to say, won't someone think of the children, just like when they said we need to get rid of uh, because it was um SISA, when they were like we, because of the children, we have to ban and lock down and get access to your computers and files if they really want to and i'm not saying I know what's going on if they really want to eliminate independent media and gatekeep these, these channels, and make sure the only people who are allowed to have podcasts are the chosen few, this is the perfect path to doing it.

01:55:52.000 Is there evidence?

01:55:53.000 Erica Kirk is contemplating a lawsuit against Youtube?

01:55:56.000 Uh, I don't know about Youtube.

01:55:57.000 I know that she's.

01:55:58.000 Obviously she had what everyone presumes to be an arbitration meeting with Candace when they met and she did send a cease and desist, apparently to a bunch of people, including Candace the, the. 0.94

01:56:07.000 So the first question follow my point is this, following this, this ruling in New Mexico and in Los Angeles, That YouTube is responsible for what it chooses to promote.

01:56:18.000 That opened the door to ending Section 230.

01:56:21.000 Because now the next step of the argument is obvious.

01:56:23.000 If YouTube is responsible and liable for promoting certain content that's harmful, how does that interact with defamation when they're choosing to promote these Erica Kirk videos they know to be false or defamatory?

01:56:35.000 The question becomes in a lawsuit, if you get past a motion to dismiss, which I think you will, the question is going to be, after discovery, has YouTube ever had a conversation internally about the plethora of Erica Kirk content accusing her of being all sorts of evil things, including a robot, a demon, in on the murder of her own husband, which is defamation per se, criminal act.

01:57:00.000 And YouTube will say, yes, we've had those conversations.

01:57:04.000 And did you find, did you, that they could be defamatory?

01:57:09.000 And they're going to say, we did have those concerns, yes.

01:57:12.000 And you still chose to promote it.

01:57:14.000 Yes, we did.

01:57:15.000 Our algorithm just does this.

01:57:16.000 Well, as we've already concluded, precedent set in KGV, I'm sorry, KGMV, Google, and Meta.

01:57:22.000 You are responsible for what you promote is an open and shut case.

01:57:25.000 Then YouTube's going to say we have no choice but to stop allowing people to promote any produce any content they want.

01:57:31.000 Mike, can I get your reaction to all of the Erica Kirk slander that we're seeing online?

01:57:37.000 Well, yeah, but I just wanted to say a quick thing, which has been haunting me all day since this thing came out to kind of piggyback on what Tim was saying.

01:57:47.000 There's another line because Tim is sort of concerned with the kind of defamation lawfare obliterating Section 230 protections because of this.

01:58:01.000 It's made possible potentially by this lawsuit.

01:58:04.000 I see this and I look at its potential for killing the sovereignty of the platforms for control over their own algorithm.

01:58:12.000 And that is, you know, because they're basically arguing that the algorithm is addictive and that, you know, I would not be surprised to see a push to have sort of third-party vetted.

01:58:25.000 There was a big push starting in 2021 for something they called middleware.

01:58:29.000 This was a newsguard, which I assume came after you.

01:58:35.000 For fake reasons.

01:58:36.000 Yes.

01:58:37.000 They claimed that because we wrote a story about a speech Trump gave and didn't fact check the speech he gave, that we were fake news.

01:58:44.000 And we had a perfect score beyond that.

01:58:46.000 It's fake.

01:58:47.000 And NewsGuard rates New York Times perfect, 10 out of 10, based on the fact that it's the New York Times alone.

01:58:54.000 But I hate to stop you because we only have a few minutes left.

01:58:56.000 I got to do an ad read and we got to rate some super chats, but we'll pick this back up in the uncensored portion of the show.

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01:59:06.000 Censorship's coming back.

01:59:07.000 That's my whole rant.

01:59:09.000 And I think the Democrats are likely going to win the midterms.

01:59:11.000 Subpoenas are going to go flying.

01:59:13.000 Censorship will come back with a vengeance.

01:59:14.000 And with that comes debanking, which was massive in the censorship era, which was only a few years ago.

01:59:21.000 We just barely escaped from.

01:59:22.000 But again, I think it's coming back.

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02:00:15.000 Shout out to Rumble, but let's grab some of your Rumble rants and super chats.

02:00:18.000 I know we only have a few minutes, but the teas on your mustache.

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02:00:23.000 All right.

02:00:24.000 Evan Frust says, What about the recent story of a jury finding that Elon Musk is supposed to pay in regards to X?

02:00:30.000 The story will explain better.

02:00:31.000 I did see that.

02:00:32.000 They said that he lied about the to invest, he lied to investors or something like that.

02:00:37.000 So he's got to pay better stuff.

02:00:38.000 Yeah, that was the allegation.

02:00:41.000 The allegation that they make is that at the last second, Elon said that he was balking on the $44 billion purchase price type thing in a bid to try to drive down the, because the stock price rose dramatically, making the deal more expensive on the anticipation of Elon buying it.

02:01:04.000 This is like a common thing.

02:01:05.000 And so, by him suggesting, this is the allegation that it wouldn't be bought, that actually it would drive down the price and therefore the purchase price would be lower.

02:01:15.000 And they are.

02:01:15.000 We got this from Meathos says: Gunpowder and Smokeless Powder is self-oxygenating Ian.

02:01:20.000 You can fire a bullet underwater.

02:01:22.000 The big concern with space guns is Newtonian laws.

02:01:25.000 Check out the expanse.

02:01:27.000 Interesting.

02:01:29.000 Air to spark the fire to oxygen.

02:01:34.000 Oxygen rather.

02:01:35.000 That might be contained in the system.

02:01:37.000 Well, actually, Flint.

02:01:39.000 Anyway, Jay Shaw says, How do we use the Timcast community to affect political change?

02:01:43.000 I've got to be more active in the Discord, but we all have to be more than just people complaining online.

02:01:47.000 I'm tired of black pills.

02:01:48.000 It's not what you know, it's who you know.

02:01:51.000 That's the most important thing.

02:01:52.000 And it doesn't just mean make contact with rich and powerful people.

02:01:55.000 It means you need a network.

02:01:57.000 One day you wake up and you say, Man, you know what?

02:01:59.000 I got a really great idea for a song.

02:02:00.000 Like I wrote these words down, but I'm not a really musical guy, but these lyrics are fantastic.

02:02:04.000 I just don't want to make music.

02:02:06.000 If you're on the Discord, that would be a problem.

02:02:07.000 You'd say, Hey, does anybody write songs?

02:02:09.000 I wrote these lyrics.

02:02:10.000 I think they're pretty good.

02:02:11.000 And then some guys are like, I'm not a good lyricist, but I can play the guitar and sing.

02:02:14.000 And it just so happens it's Ian.

02:02:16.000 And you send him those lyrics, and then Ian puts it to a song, and now you've written a song that otherwise would not have existed.

02:02:21.000 So how do you affect political change?

02:02:23.000 Much the same way.

02:02:24.000 You say, Hey, I have an idea that no one's thought of.

02:02:26.000 Who do I share it with?

02:02:27.000 In the Discord, you're talking to a ton of people.

02:02:29.000 The ideas get refined.

02:02:30.000 The projects get started.

02:02:31.000 And it can be any project.

02:02:33.000 You might be like, I got a really great idea for an app that can help the GOP fundraise.

02:02:37.000 Who do I tell to?

02:02:37.000 I can't make an app.

02:02:38.000 And you go on the Discord and you're like, does anybody make apps?

02:02:40.000 And there's a ton of people who do.

02:02:41.000 And they're going to be like, what's your idea?

02:02:42.000 Check it out.

02:02:43.000 What if we had an app that did this?

02:02:44.000 And they go, whoa, I never thought of that.

02:02:45.000 And then all of a sudden, the next day, you have a rudimentary app that makes it very easy to fundraise.

02:02:50.000 That's how we do it.

02:02:51.000 People coming together because many hands makes light work.

02:02:55.000 We got to get an AI in the Discord that can help everybody.

02:02:59.000 No, I think the people do that.

02:03:00.000 It's a community.

02:03:01.000 You know what else you can do?

02:03:02.000 Is you can coordinate communication with representative officials and stuff.

02:03:06.000 So tomorrow at 2 p.m., you could organize a call where like 7,000 people call the same guy's office at the same time on the same day.

02:03:15.000 That can have overwhelming response.

02:03:18.000 Let's grab one more super chat here.

02:03:18.000 All right.

02:03:21.000 We got Justin Lopez says, as an episode one viewer, I appreciate the fast intros.

02:03:25.000 Great adjustment.

02:03:26.000 May I suggest that you still the full intros from time to time, perhaps one day a week, or when there is a guest who would draw a different audience in case there are new viewers?

02:03:35.000 Indeed.

02:03:36.000 Indeed, indeed.

02:03:37.000 But we also do the outros as well.

02:03:39.000 I think for the guests, it makes sense.

02:03:42.000 For recurring co-hosts, people like Elad, who's here periodically, it makes sense.

02:03:46.000 For Libby, it makes sense.

02:03:47.000 But for Tate or Ian or me or Carter, at a certain point, it's like, this is the crew you know.

02:03:52.000 I personally don't like it.

02:03:53.000 Don't like introducing myself.

02:03:55.000 It's annoying.

02:03:56.000 I don't mind it in the beginning, but it's like Am, just look me up, bro.

02:03:59.000 I like the technology.

02:04:00.000 They've only done it one time.

02:04:01.000 All right, everybody, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show and talk about the moon, among other things.

02:04:05.000 So smash the like button, share the show with everyone in your life.

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02:04:20.000 What up, everybody?

02:04:21.000 Thanks for tuning in.

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02:04:29.000 When we were in Austin, I had an opportunity to do Roseanne Barr's show, so that's coming up soon. 0.98

02:04:33.000 I don't know when it's going to be out, but keep your eyes open for Roseanne and me doing some funny ass shit. 1.00

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02:04:40.000 Check out this new documentary I'm producing.

02:04:42.000 It's very cool.

02:04:43.000 Ian Crossland, Carter Banks.

02:04:45.000 Humped to see the documentary.

02:04:46.000 When's it coming out?

02:04:48.000 Good question.

02:04:49.000 I spoke with 6'7 Kevin.

02:04:50.000 He's like, oh, I'm doing another thing with farmers right now, maybe a month, six, month and a half.

02:04:54.000 You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere and follow our label at Trash House Records on YouTube.

02:05:00.000 And let's get into the after show.

02:05:01.000 I'll just say one quick shout out to Boxcar Burgers in Brunswick, Maryland.

02:05:06.000 If you guys ever find yourself there, I went there for lunch today and they got amazing burgers.

02:05:09.000 We used to go there all the time.

02:05:10.000 We used to order all the time when we were back at the castle.

02:05:12.000 And so we had some business to do over in Maryland.

02:05:14.000 I said, why don't we, with my wife, I was like, why don't we stop?

02:05:17.000 We haven't been here in like two years.

02:05:19.000 We went in, amazing burgers, friendly people, great French fries, and local beef, you know?

02:05:25.000 So if you're ever in the area, just wanted to shout him out.

02:05:28.000 I don't know him.

02:05:29.000 Just ate there.

02:05:29.000 But I saw a guy wearing a black rifle hoodie who was eating there too.

02:05:32.000 So I'm like, you know what?

02:05:33.000 Let's roll.

02:05:34.000 Anyway, everybody, we'll see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.

02:05:37.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:06:57.000 I got something to say, you know, because I was just talking about boxcar burgers.

02:06:57.000 Give it to me.

02:06:57.000 I got...

02:07:04.000 My wife and I, we have to do some work.

02:07:07.000 It's administrative stuff.

02:07:08.000 And we still have the West Virginia properties, of course.

02:07:10.000 I'm in the Maryland properties.

02:07:12.000 And so rarely do we actually go into that area of Maryland anymore.

02:07:16.000 Because if we're going to D.C., we just go south.

02:07:18.000 We go through like Winchester.

02:07:21.000 And so we were over there and we decided, I was like, why don't we eat somewhere we haven't eaten in a long time since we left the Maryland property, which is not really that far away.

02:07:28.000 It's like 20, 30-minute drive.

02:07:30.000 And I was like, oh, boxcar burgers.

02:07:32.000 And we used to order from them all the time.

02:07:34.000 And so at the castle, it's only like a 10-minute drive.

02:07:36.000 We'd get a bunch of burgers and fries for everybody.

02:07:38.000 We loved it.

02:07:39.000 They got really great burgers.

02:07:40.000 It's like local beef from local farms.

02:07:41.000 Ate there, and we loved it.

02:07:43.000 And I was like, man, it was a lot of fun when we were at the castle, you know?

02:07:47.000 There's fruits everywhere.

02:07:48.000 Chicken City was right next to the door, so you could always see the chickens.

02:07:52.000 Now it's far away.

02:07:53.000 We didn't really have the skate park, but we're not like skateboarding is dead.

02:07:57.000 So I was just like, it kind of feels like the fun is gone, you know?

02:08:01.000 Like, we used to have a lot of fun at the castle, and everybody was around.

02:08:06.000 And my wife said, I don't think the reason it feels less fun has anything to do with the people.

02:08:12.000 She's like, something else changed.

02:08:14.000 And I said, you're completely correct.

02:08:17.000 Because what happened was there's a liquor store in Brunswick that I forgot what it's called.

02:08:17.000 Something changed.

02:08:23.000 I think this is called like Brunswick Liquors or something, but this dude has everything.

02:08:27.000 Oh, I remember that.

02:08:28.000 Yeah, he had an $80,000 bottle of whiskey that George Clooney came to find.

02:08:34.000 He has Pappies.

02:08:35.000 He has Louis XIII.

02:08:36.000 So we would go there and he would cut us deals.

02:08:40.000 And like, he has all this crazy booze, like super expensive stuff.

02:08:45.000 And I was like, we should, I was like, why don't we pop in?

02:08:48.000 We haven't been there in like two or three years.

02:08:50.000 And like, and then she was like, yeah, why don't we get like a nice, a nice whiskey or something and I'll get like a nice wine. 0.99

02:08:55.000 And then I went, she was like, you get a nice whiskey for the studio and then I'll get a wine.

02:09:00.000 And I was like, well, nobody really drinks at the studio anymore.

02:09:03.000 She was like, they don't?

02:09:05.000 And I said, yeah, like we have Louis XIII from the old studio and it's been three years and like nobody, nobody would drink it.

02:09:11.000 She's like, well, we weren't giving away the Louis, were we?

02:09:12.000 And I was like, people were allowed to drink Louis.

02:09:15.000 For those that don't know, Louis is $250 an ounce.

02:09:18.000 Like when you go to a restaurant and order Louis XIII, it's brandy.

02:09:22.000 They pull out like this perfect measuring because a drop of it is five bucks.

02:09:25.000 And they get this thing and they fill it up and they very carefully measure a single ounce.

02:09:30.000 And if there's a drop, they're like, whoop.

02:09:33.000 And I was like, yeah, nobody drinks.

02:09:35.000 You know, as we were leaving the studio, we had a little, our old studio had a bar in it.

02:09:39.000 And we had a bunch of, like, we had $2,000 tequila.

02:09:42.000 It was really nice.

02:09:44.000 Slowly, towards the end of the studio, when we left the castle, guests would come in and go, you know what?

02:09:50.000 I don't drink anymore.

02:09:52.000 And then I was like, oh, okay.

02:09:53.000 You know, I noticed that a lot more.

02:09:54.000 As time went on, less and less people drank.

02:09:56.000 People used to come in and pour themselves a whiskey and then sit down and they'd drink.

02:10:00.000 And then it just slowly people stopped drinking.

02:10:03.000 And so we started talking about the fun being gone.

02:10:06.000 And I said, I think you're completely correct.

02:10:10.000 It feels like this space has been ripped of its passion.

02:10:14.000 The people aren't excited about what's going on.

02:10:16.000 They feel, it feels sluggish.

02:10:18.000 The guests are like they largely feel like they're tired of it all.

02:10:23.000 We're watching men break away from Trump.

02:10:26.000 I'm like, you know, I got to be honest.

02:10:28.000 It feels like this space has largely lost the fun, the drive that people were interested in.

02:10:34.000 And you know what else I noticed?

02:10:36.000 There's a handful of political personalities that have started posting general interest viral videos.

02:10:41.000 I'm not going to name who they are, but I will say this.

02:10:45.000 Even Libs of TikTok has started posting like fight videos.

02:10:48.000 Not all the time, but sometimes.

02:10:50.000 And there are some individuals who are core political personalities that just did politics.

02:10:55.000 And now their ex accounts are, they're like, here's a woman at Popeyes throwing a tantrum.

02:11:00.000 It seems like people have just lost interest in whatever it is this is.

02:11:05.000 The politics, they, you know, it was, it was exciting and people were very hyped about it in 2002.

02:11:11.000 It was like, let's get out of this COVID mess.

02:11:13.000 We're all in this together.

02:11:14.000 Yay, 23, 24.

02:11:15.000 Then Trump comes in and he's like, that Epstein stuff's a hoax, everybody.

02:11:19.000 Look over there.

02:11:20.000 We're going to war with Iran. 1.00

02:11:21.000 And everyone's like, this fucking thing never changes. 1.00

02:11:23.000 I'm out. 1.00

02:11:24.000 I'm done.

02:11:24.000 I'm broken.

02:11:25.000 I do think that the Epstein stuff did piss a ton of people off.

02:11:28.000 I do think the Iran war pissed a ton of people off. 0.92

02:11:30.000 Trump has lost.

02:11:32.000 He's got a 40% swing from 2024 till today on the economy.

02:11:36.000 But I think those are factors.

02:11:38.000 But largely, it feels like this space has shattered.

02:11:43.000 The reason why a lot of people are Kirk posting is because it's a female audience and men aren't watching this kind of stuff anymore. 0.97

02:11:50.000 And so if you're a political commentator, the closest thing you can pivot to is going to be Erica Kirk because she was married to Charlie.

02:11:56.000 And then you'll see a massive female presence. 1.00

02:11:58.000 You can see this on X. If you look at any clips on the Charlie show, comments on Joe Kenton stuff, all women replies. 1.00

02:12:06.000 It's all women. 1.00

02:12:07.000 Talk to men and they're like, oh, I don't care about that stuff.

02:12:09.000 Talk to women. 1.00

02:12:09.000 They're like, oh, I love it. 1.00

02:12:10.000 When I was in Austin, I went down to 6th Street and hung out and went to the mothership, the comedy mothership, Rogan's Club, and just spent time with comedians.

02:12:17.000 And like, I know I don't just want to stick my head in the sand and just make funny during global potential World War III because it's like, I don't want to ignore it.

02:12:25.000 But at the same time, I don't want to think about it.

02:12:29.000 I don't want to deal with it.

02:12:30.000 I don't want to cheer for it.

02:12:32.000 And I don't want to tell the government to stop because I feel like they'll kill me.

02:12:34.000 So I got to improve the morale of the community.

02:12:37.000 And so I'm drawn to the arts, but it was very refreshing to be focusing on making people laugh and having.

02:12:44.000 I think people are becoming increasingly listless and depressed.

02:12:48.000 And it feels like there's no mission anymore.

02:12:53.000 I think a lot of people feel this way.

02:12:55.000 There are a lot of people in media who have been complaining that their viewership has been going down.

02:13:00.000 And these are channels that are largely news-related and 80% male.

02:13:05.000 If you look at the Daily Wire, this is another really interesting metric.

02:13:07.000 You'll see a lot of the Candace fans will be attacking Ben Shapiro because his subscribers are going down or his views are low.

02:13:13.000 And it's like, well, Ben Shapiro's audience is a male audience and Candace is a female audience.

02:13:17.000 And it's very female-coded to go to a man's channel and start mocking him for having low views. 0.77

02:13:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:25.000 So you'll see there are people that are pivoting. 0.99

02:13:27.000 Joe Rogan started talking about Erica Kirk it's like he was like oh I heard she had a dick Crazy eyes, man. 1.00

02:13:35.000 What an odd duck. 0.99

02:13:36.000 I think it's amazing how she inherited all of the vitriol that was aimed towards Charlie.

02:13:42.000 No, no, it's worse than that.

02:13:43.000 How handsome, yeah.

02:13:44.000 Liberal, like most of these liberal women did not care. 1.00

02:13:47.000 And now I meet like a liberal woman and they're like, I think Israel killed Charlie Kirk. 0.74

02:13:51.000 And I'm like, why?

02:13:52.000 Do you watch Candace? 0.99

02:13:53.000 And I'm like, no, I don't care about drama rage bait bullshit. 0.96

02:13:56.000 But I'm not saying this stuff to get into the Candace conversation. 0.95

02:13:58.000 My point is, guys have checked out completely.

02:14:02.000 Bro, that's how I've been.

02:14:04.000 I was just going to say that I feel like those things are related, though.

02:14:08.000 The drop in the fun and the Charlie.

02:14:11.000 This is certainly the case for me.

02:14:14.000 When Charlie was murdered, it permanently changed the sense of fun for me of the movement and the vibe around it.

02:14:29.000 There was, until Charlie was murdered, we had had a million close calls. 0.94

02:14:34.000 We had been through all this shit together over, I mean, I was like a 2015 Trump guy and, you know, through all of the bullshit and like all of the professional sacrifices and all of the prosecutions and all of the impeachments and all of the obstruction and all of the operations and sabotage and then two assassination attempts, 0.99

02:15:00.000 including one on live TV where he takes a bullet to the face. 0.99

02:15:05.000 When that happened, I bought the t-shirt. 1.00

02:15:07.000 I bought three of these t-shirts that said, you missed, bitch. 1.00

02:15:10.000 And it was, you know, Trump's face and it was the, you know, the target missing. 0.99

02:15:15.000 There was this sense that it was all fun.

02:15:20.000 And no matter what they did, even if it sucked at the time, we're all going to make it, fam.

02:15:25.000 You know, we're all going to, we're going, we're all going to make it.

02:15:28.000 And watching Charlie, kind of the most lovable, diplomatic, like good-natured, brand safe, be viscerally murdered in the most like live leak, the most vivid live leak style.

02:15:49.000 I mean, I just kept watching the video and watching the video and the different angles of it.

02:15:56.000 And I've never seen a murder in 4K HD like that of anyone, let alone Charlie was the first person to ever reach out to me when I first.

02:16:08.000 You know what I think?

02:16:09.000 I think one thing that changed it all is that moment made it all real.

02:16:14.000 And I think a lot of people are running away.

02:16:18.000 I think a lot of people in the space are like, I don't want to get shot.

02:16:22.000 I don't want to die.

02:16:23.000 And so they're like, it's time to tone things down.

02:16:28.000 I didn't.

02:16:29.000 I got shot at in December, and then Candace claimed it never happened. 1.00

02:16:31.000 And then we got death threats and people attacking us because Candace is a fucking lunatic. 1.00

02:16:36.000 We played the audio on this show too. 0.99

02:16:39.000 We're not going to play the videos because it shows where all our cameras are and everything.

02:16:41.000 Now we have 24-7 security, and I'm not going to explain what other security measures we're taking, but it's very expensive.

02:16:45.000 Well, you have more of a target on you because of the journalism and coverage that you've done on these anti-fotype groups who have developed this personal animus to you.

02:16:55.000 And I can see from your perspective, having been shot at and having all these groups putting a target on your head, that that would be your experience.

02:17:06.000 I brought that up because for mine, I don't feel a sense of that, but I do feel that it was the Charlie Kirk moment on the heels of the Elon fallout and the high of that.

02:17:20.000 And then a couple other things that were happening at that time, combined with just that visceral murder that changed the comedy.

02:17:30.000 It felt like we were living in a kind of comedy movie with drama in it, like a dramedy.

02:17:37.000 And then at that moment, it became a different movie.

02:17:41.000 I think Democrats are going to win in November and it's going to be a blowout.

02:17:47.000 We're looking at a 10-point swing across every metric.

02:17:49.000 And if that holds true for each district, which probably won't, but it's a Democrat super majority victory.

02:17:54.000 I think reasonably right now, based on what we're seeing, it might be like a 10-seat swing for Democrats.

02:18:01.000 You see what happened today?

02:18:02.000 I think MTG had a tweet on it, if you want to pull it up.

02:18:06.000 There was, I think, maybe it was a newsweek too or something, but there was a runoff election in a Florida House district.

02:18:15.000 Yeah, Palm Beach.

02:18:16.000 Yeah.

02:18:17.000 Yeah, last night this happened.

02:18:18.000 Trump lost Palm Beach to a Democrat.

02:18:18.000 We talked about it.

02:18:22.000 This is Mar-a-Lago.

02:18:23.000 He won it by 19 points in 2024.

02:18:25.000 Wow.

02:18:26.000 And also Palm Beach is generally a pretty conservative.

02:18:29.000 I mean, there's a ton of conservative money in Palm Beach. 0.97

02:18:33.000 And so my point ultimately on the November thing is if Democrats get a strong majority in the House, and if by some stretch, it's not possible they got a majority, if they got a 60-seat majority in the Senate, which is not possible, but like we'd be fucked. 0.96

02:18:52.000 And that's an understatement. 0.72

02:18:53.000 And people, you know, I get asked like, well, what could they really do?

02:18:55.000 Well, they can override a veto at that point.

02:18:58.000 And then you're going to have made in the United States nationwide.

02:19:02.000 You're going to have guns banned nationwide. 1.00

02:19:05.000 They will do things Republicans are too fucking pathetic to do. 1.00

02:19:09.000 But we do got to grab callers. 1.00

02:19:11.000 So let's grab Krondorz. 0.79

02:19:13.000 What is up, brother?

02:19:16.000 Hey, good evening, everybody.

02:19:17.000 Hi.

02:19:20.000 So, you know, in my opinion, I think, you know, voters have like a short-term memory.

02:19:26.000 Anything that isn't within four months of November, they're going to forget.

02:19:30.000 But between, you know, potentially Trump stopping the ending the war in Iran by summer, potentially, our 250th anniversary celebration that I'm sure Trump is going to go all out for.

02:19:41.000 And, you know, in September having a memorial, a remembrance of Charlie Kirk, you know, not bringing people back into the fray, into the fold.

02:19:53.000 You think after all that, people we won't be able to hold the line in November? 0.99

02:19:56.000 Because I feel like between now and then, Democrats are probably going to do something stupid, more riots, more something crazy. 0.92

02:20:05.000 And all that together, don't you think that's going to be enough to hold the line at least through the election? 0.99

02:20:11.000 Where are the riots?

02:20:13.000 Where are the protests?

02:20:13.000 Like, that stuff's chilled out.

02:20:15.000 Woke has been beaten down.

02:20:16.000 And I think this is part of their plan where they're like, we can't antagonize right now.

02:20:20.000 Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

02:20:22.000 So I think Democrats will probably chill the F out.

02:20:25.000 Organizers and nonprofits are not going to organize much because they know they've got it right now so long as they do nothing.

02:20:33.000 And the main issue is not Republicans turning Democrat.

02:20:36.000 It's Republicans not voting because of a protest vote against the actions to send some signal that they don't co-sign some of the things.

02:20:48.000 So I think it's going to be a turnout issue, which is you are just going to have a lot of the people who voted in the 2024 election not voting because they feel dejected or depressed about the truth.

02:21:05.000 So Senate-wise, based on polling, Democrats would have to win every swing state and Ohio, which is red, in order to get 50-50, which would still be a Republican-controlled Senate because of JD Vance.

02:21:19.000 They would have to win Nebraska or Iowa if they actually want a majority.

02:21:23.000 So I don't think we're going to see a majority Texas.

02:21:26.000 That's not going to happen.

02:21:29.000 If they won every light red state, they'd end up with 55.

02:21:34.000 If they somehow got Florida, they'd end up with 56.

02:21:38.000 They'd have to win deep red states to get a 60-seat majority. 0.98

02:21:42.000 But man, could you imagine if they did?

02:21:44.000 You know, they're pulling hard for Texas.

02:21:46.000 They're saying, oh, yeah.

02:21:47.000 I know Tallarico.

02:21:47.000 They're doing it.

02:21:48.000 I'm hoping that they're saying that Ken Paxton will be a drag as opposed to Cornyn, I believe it is, over there.

02:21:54.000 I was hoping but Crockett lost to Tallarico.

02:21:58.000 Tallerico is the moderate, the Christian guy that they're claiming he is.

02:22:02.000 Yeah, I'd like that pass.

02:22:03.000 And Nick Fuende is saying vote Democrat, isn't he?

02:22:05.000 I was just thinking of that.

02:22:05.000 Is that what he said?

02:22:06.000 Because I didn't actually watch.

02:22:07.000 I don't want to put words in the middle.

02:22:08.000 Well, I know he said he's not.

02:22:09.000 I believe he said he's not voting for Trump and he's not voting for the Republican.

02:22:12.000 Democrats could, like, there are enough seats for them to win 69 if they won every Senate seat.

02:22:12.000 Oh, wow.

02:22:19.000 Yeah, that's all they need to do.

02:22:20.000 So that's right.

02:22:21.000 Win every single, even the deep red ones.

02:22:24.000 I don't know enough about the people, whether they're Republican or Democrat, to tell people to vote one way or the other.

02:22:29.000 I'm not comfortable saying vote Republican because I don't know enough about it.

02:22:33.000 Well, Democrats want medicalists and suicide. 0.98

02:22:35.000 Republicans do nothing.

02:22:37.000 So it's like, if you really don't know who to vote for, vote for the guys who do nothing, right?

02:22:43.000 Otherwise, you're voting for the medical-assisted suicide. 1.00

02:22:46.000 And kids getting their balls chopped off and racism and open borders and our jobs going away and all that shit. 0.99

02:22:53.000 I think that the Gen Alpha being 40 million people, I know this sounds black pilled, but I do not believe there is a way to fix that. 0.99

02:23:05.000 It's impossible.

02:23:06.000 It is impossible.

02:23:08.000 To do what?

02:23:11.000 America as we know it will cease to exist in 30 years.

02:23:17.000 Because the population collapse has never been, never once in history has a nation come back from a population collapse.

02:23:25.000 These robots, they're like, you're going to have the robot getting you a glass of water every time it runs out.

02:23:29.000 Robot will be changing Greyland's pants.

02:23:31.000 Robot will be getting the Gen Alpha's 42 million.

02:23:34.000 That's half the size of Gen Z and Millennials.

02:23:34.000 Okay.

02:23:36.000 Half.

02:23:38.000 Gen Alpha is now, I think they're what, 15 years old?

02:23:42.000 This year, they're supposed to be our new labor force for entry-level jobs.

02:23:46.000 And then six years after that, there's supposed to be our entry-level management and white-collar jobs.

02:23:51.000 There aren't any.

02:23:52.000 I guess with those.

02:23:53.000 So Honduran farmers are not going to get entry-level jobs at insurance companies.

02:23:57.000 And AI is maybe AI will do it, but your future will then be an aging population of Americans.

02:24:06.000 They'll slowly start dying off.

02:24:08.000 And then in 100 years, this country will be fragmented, broken apart, and there will be little pockets of little pocket communities all over the place.

02:24:14.000 Or maybe older men will start having children.

02:24:16.000 Women will be fertile well into their late 40s, and people will be living until they're 130. 0.93

02:24:21.000 So we'll see the next generation, but we'll just see a wider generation gaps of 30 or 40 years instead of trying to fill the gaps with immigration, right?

02:24:28.000 But you can't make a Honduran farmer work in a lab.

02:24:33.000 Yeah.

02:24:34.000 Call it.

02:24:34.000 It's not going to happen.

02:24:35.000 Does it answer your question?

02:24:36.000 Do you have anything you want to shout out?

02:24:39.000 A few things.

02:24:40.000 By the way, Tim, was it Pedro O'Rourke, the guy who was running for Texas governor?

02:24:46.000 Was he the skateboarder?

02:24:47.000 Yeah.

02:24:48.000 No, that's an offensive thing to say.

02:24:50.000 He was a guy who struggled to write on a skateboard, claiming he could.

02:24:53.000 And anybody who skates knows that he can't.

02:24:56.000 Oh, I know he can't, but I feel like people saw that.

02:24:58.000 And I feel like that maybe may have been a contributing factor to skateboarding becoming less of a thing just because of that cringy guy.

02:25:05.000 Yeah, I hate that guy.

02:25:06.000 But one more thing, though.

02:25:09.000 Tim, I'm pretty sure you've mentioned you used to, or you like watching the boondocks.

02:25:16.000 I've seen some episodes.

02:25:18.000 I don't know if you remember because all this stuff lately about the Kirk posting and Candace Owens and all this stuff about all these social media commentators talking back and forth reminded me of this episode from back then of involving Ann Coulter.

02:25:35.000 I don't know if you remember that episode where I didn't really watch the show.

02:25:39.000 Oh, oh, well, if you ever get a chance, if you ever get a chance to get out of the way, I know about the black guy who likes white people, I guess. 0.76

02:25:48.000 Uncle Ruckus. 0.58

02:25:49.000 Uncle Ruckus.

02:25:49.000 Is that his name?

02:25:50.000 I don't watch boondocks.

02:25:52.000 If you ever get a chance to look at it, there's this one scene where Ann Coulter is featured in the show.

02:25:58.000 And all it comes down to saying is sometimes people are just looking for someone to have a nemesis against, someone to just go on TV, go online, and just have an argument just to attract views, get clicks, make money.

02:26:11.000 And with all due respect to Kyla, because we appreciate her coming on, there was the point where she was like, you know, the tariffs are bad and Trump is enriching his son with crypto.

02:26:22.000 And I said, yes.

02:26:22.000 Don't you think it's bad?

02:26:23.000 And then she kept arguing. 0.96

02:26:25.000 I said, I don't understand why you're arguing with me.

02:26:26.000 I just agreed with you.

02:26:27.000 And then she just stuttered.

02:26:28.000 And I'm like, I don't understand what there's like, yes, it's bad.

02:26:33.000 And she's like, but you don't think, I'm like, no, I just agreed with you.

02:26:35.000 And she kept arguing.

02:26:36.000 And I'm just like, what is this?

02:26:37.000 Arguing a straw man.

02:26:38.000 There's a guy I like arguing.

02:26:39.000 No, it's because tribalists live in a binary black and white world. 0.94

02:26:45.000 And I'm on team red and you're on team blue.

02:26:47.000 And when they say team blue says X, so therefore you believe Y.

02:26:51.000 And I go, no, I actually agree with you.

02:26:53.000 They go, yeah, well, you're wrong.

02:26:54.000 Wait, what?

02:26:55.000 I like arguing with you not because I dislike you and want to shoot you down, because you actually poke legit holes in my arguments.

02:27:02.000 It's refreshing.

02:27:04.000 So I'll actually, if I have an idea, sometimes I'll think of you and I'll be like, I'll imagine having the conversation with you ahead of time.

02:27:10.000 Be like, okay, I got to wrap these two points up if I'm going to bring it up on the show.

02:27:14.000 So I understand that we have to find someone to argue with them.

02:27:19.000 I have an idea for a show.

02:27:20.000 Yo, Ian.

02:27:21.000 I have an idea for a show to be hot.

02:27:23.000 We set up a table outside in a public place with you, and you have a microphone, and it says, Debate me.

02:27:29.000 And when people ask, what are we debating?

02:27:31.000 You say, whatever you want.

02:27:32.000 And whatever they say, you just argue the opposite.

02:27:34.000 I could do that.

02:27:36.000 He's the ultimate contrarian.

02:27:37.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:27:38.000 Yeah, they'll be like, I think the sky is blue.

02:27:39.000 And you'll be like, you're wrong.

02:27:40.000 The sky's black.

02:27:41.000 You know, you're not.

02:27:42.000 The sky is not blue.

02:27:43.000 Let's pull up the reflection.

02:27:43.000 The sky is black.

02:27:45.000 You are talking about refracting light through moisture and other chemicals, which results in a blue tint.

02:27:50.000 But the sky itself is black.

02:27:51.000 You're wrong.

02:27:51.000 Knight proves it.

02:27:53.000 You think you see one thing, but you're actually a warped.

02:27:59.000 How do we know what you call green is what I see as green?

02:28:01.000 I think that's did that answer your questions?

02:28:03.000 Do you have anything you want to shout out?

02:28:04.000 No, no, that's all.

02:28:05.000 Thank you.

02:28:06.000 But wasn't that that whole issue about that dress color?

02:28:08.000 Like a decade ago back, everybody was arguing whether it was blue or gold or whatever it was because they were looking at it was depending on their phone, they were seeing a shadow or they were seeing it brightly colored, which would change what you thought of it.

02:28:23.000 But thank you so much for the response, guys.

02:28:25.000 I appreciate the perspective.

02:28:26.000 Thanks for coming.

02:28:27.000 Thank you.

02:28:28.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:28:29.000 Mike, what do we do?

02:28:31.000 All right, next up, we got Lynch Mob Lynch Mob.

02:28:35.000 What's up, Lynch Mob?

02:28:36.000 Amen.

02:28:37.000 What is on?

02:28:40.000 How's it going, fellas?

02:28:42.000 Really good.

02:28:42.000 Yeah, dude.

02:28:45.000 Long time, no talk.

02:28:46.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:28:47.000 Yeah, what's up?

02:28:49.000 What you got going on?

02:28:52.000 I had a question from Mike.

02:28:54.000 It's kind of multi-part, so just kind of bear with me.

02:29:01.000 Like, I know in Judaism, there's like pro and anti-Zionist factions, and the same thing in Christianity.

02:29:11.000 Would you consider yourself a Zionist or in the anti-Zionist camp?

02:29:17.000 And do you think all this talk about prophecy and whatnot is just something that gets us used to convince pro-Zionists, Christians, Jews that they're on the right track or possibly to deceive them at the very least to create political capital for people in power to achieve their foreign policy goals that would otherwise be very unpopular?

02:29:45.000 Yeah.

02:29:46.000 You know, I don't really think about Zionism stuff.

02:29:50.000 My, I mean, I was me too.

02:29:52.000 I never think about it.

02:29:53.000 You know, there's Zionist and anti-Zionist camps within Judaism, but there's also kind of almost denominational differences in attention to it.

02:30:06.000 Like, okay, so, you know, there's Orthodox, conservative, and Reform Judaism, you know, sort of synagogues and practices that, you know, have varying levels of, I guess, tie-in to, you know, Israel-specific type concerns.

02:30:27.000 I grew up in a Reform synagogue.

02:30:31.000 You know, I went to Hebrew school, bar mitzvah, you know, been to Israel a couple times.

02:30:35.000 You admit it.

02:30:36.000 Yeah, confirmed.

02:30:38.000 Confirmed.

02:30:40.000 But my parents were very, you know, they raised us to think of ourselves as Americans and to assimilate, you know, in to,

02:30:56.000 I mean, to put America first, to put it bluntly, it was one of these things where it would be great if Israel thrives and is successful, but it is a foreign country and we are Americans and we're assimilated as Americans. 0.95

02:31:10.000 And I've never really, I don't know, focused on like the welfare of Israel qua Israel as like a focus of, you know, it's one of these things where, you know, when Israel succeeds, I wish Israel well.

02:31:39.000 You know, where there's overstep in places, I hope there's accountability.

02:31:45.000 You know, I think it's probably the relationship a lot of people have.

02:31:50.000 Uh, you know, I'm part Italian, I have a certain affinity for Italy, even though I've never even been.

02:31:56.000 It's just one of these things where it's like, you know, you watch Goodfellas and you're like, oh, those are like, that's a part of my people's, you know, and I imagine that the Irish and Indians and people feel that way too.

02:32:11.000 But I am also aware that of, you know, how do I say this without saying too much personal detail?

02:32:20.000 Just, you know, that there's like I grew up also, you know, in the context of, you know, a Shabbat club and a personal network and a you know, friend and family network.

02:32:37.000 And you're aware of the dynamics of you know the relationship with Israel.

02:32:43.000 Um, and and it is something that you know, I, I, when I see what's playing out, I, I, I feel attuned to the dynamics without being particularly personally invested.

02:32:57.000 It would just be so much easier if Israel just wiped out all of Gaza and the West Bank so we could just stop talking about it for once, you know, just don and over with. 0.91

02:33:05.000 Mike, I feel like you gave a convoluted answer.

02:33:07.000 Would you call yourself a Zionist, anti-Zionist?

02:33:11.000 What is it?

02:33:11.000 Indifferent.

02:33:12.000 Define it.

02:33:13.000 Do you support the state of Israel?

02:33:15.000 Continuing to exist as a Jewish state, roughly.

02:33:19.000 I guess I feel like it's one of these things where it's there's a very complicated history here.

02:33:24.000 And I feel like there's this, like, the purpose of the question is to kind of put you in the box of like, you know, are you on this side or that side?

02:33:36.000 And it's like, I'm an American who focuses on the welfare of America.

02:33:43.000 I feel like I'm pretty frank in the way that I talk about these issues.

02:33:49.000 And I don't feel like certainly, I guess, the network that I grew up in, and when I think about the identity that I, you know, have somewhere in my heart, it was a kind of soft Zionist background in the sense that you don't have a like, it's just not a word that might be.

02:34:17.000 People are scared to say one way or another.

02:34:19.000 Well, because there, well, I'll explain.

02:34:21.000 I don't, I don't feel scared about it, but I'm aware that, for example, like this is something that is very much a like fixation and people will like clip you and things like this.

02:34:34.000 And here's the answer.

02:34:36.000 And I want to make sure I say it with precision.

02:34:39.000 Ask me.

02:34:40.000 Tim Poole, are you a Zionist?

02:34:42.000 Don't care.

02:34:44.000 Don't know, don't care.

02:34:46.000 I think you do know, though.

02:34:48.000 I've got a question on Zion.

02:34:49.000 No, no, because the question is: do you support Israel?

02:34:51.000 I don't care at all about Israel. 0.53

02:34:54.000 I care as much about Israel as I do about Burma.

02:34:56.000 If you're a Zionist, does that mean you'd be roughly indifferent? 0.75

02:34:58.000 You're like ambivalent as I describe it.

02:35:00.000 See, the thing is, we say, do you support their existence?

02:35:02.000 People will clip that and then be like, he likes what Israel is doing. 0.58

02:35:06.000 Well, I wouldn't answer it that way because it's not like I don't care at all.

02:35:06.000 You know what I mean?

02:35:11.000 It's not like I don't want it to do well when it's doing good things.

02:35:18.000 It's just a question when you say, in the way the question is asked sometimes, it's like, you know, co-signing everything, or like, if I were to just give a hard yes, it sounds like it's co-signing everything that's played out.

02:35:35.000 And it also sounds like I'm placing it at the center of my identity in a certain way, if that makes sense.

02:35:42.000 Like I am, I am Jewish.

02:35:45.000 That is a part of my identity.

02:35:47.000 It is something that, you know, has been a part of my life for 40 years.

02:35:55.000 Zionism and like the welfare of the nation state of Israel is like I wish Israel well.

02:36:05.000 It's not something that's like, I just don't think about it.

02:36:10.000 And it's actually interesting.

02:36:12.000 that I don't think I've actually ever been asked that, which is also another reason that I'm like taking my time.

02:36:19.000 I will say this.

02:36:19.000 I was annoyed when Tucker Carlson was asked the question because instead of being like, what are you asking me?

02:36:25.000 Over and over again, he knows what he's being asked.

02:36:28.000 And he could have said, let me just give you the long answer.

02:36:30.000 And should have said, okay.

02:36:31.000 Instead of being like, what does that mean?

02:36:34.000 Does a nation have a right to exist?

02:36:35.000 Like, what are you even asking me?

02:36:36.000 It's like, you know what he's asking.

02:36:38.000 He's asking, the interview is asking, are you on the side of Israel shouldn't be there or should they be there? 0.94

02:36:43.000 And his response could have been like, you know, honestly, I don't want them destroyed, but I really don't care one way or the other.

02:36:50.000 I understand it's a controversial question.

02:36:51.000 I'm a little bit shocked that you, like, still have this long-winded answer kind of not going one way or another about it, especially because, I mean, you're involved in politics.

02:36:59.000 You've obviously been to Israel a couple of times.

02:37:02.000 Well, as a Jew, too, I don't mean to put you on the spot about it if you don't want to comment and I understand.

02:37:05.000 Well, I'm happy to comment, but this is my comment, and I'm sort of working it out in real time, if you will, because I've just never – I've literally never been asked.

02:37:13.000 But the other part of it is – In your 40 years of being a Jew who's visited Israel and worked in politics, you're telling me you've never been asked on if you – You've never been?

02:37:22.000 Israel or not? 0.72

02:37:24.000 No, he's been multiple times.

02:37:25.000 I've never been.

02:37:26.000 You've never been asked if I'm a Zionist?

02:37:28.000 No, if you surprises you?

02:37:29.000 Let's rephrase it.

02:37:30.000 Do you support Israel?

02:37:32.000 Is that even still chock full of, you know, innuendo and, you know, extra stuff?

02:37:39.000 Do I support Israel? 0.98

02:37:41.000 Do you support American military aid to Israel?

02:37:44.000 Do I support American military aid to Israel?

02:37:46.000 I'm an easy no on that one.

02:37:47.000 Well, Mike.

02:37:47.000 Okay.

02:37:51.000 It's a good question.

02:37:53.000 In general, I would say that we need to scale back our military budget.

02:37:57.000 And this is something that I think as part of the overall overhaul of USAID.

02:38:04.000 And, you know, if I could have my utopian vision of the world, I would scale back writ large and that would be included.

02:38:14.000 Yeah, but in my utopian version of the world, you know, a ton of things would happen.

02:38:17.000 And I guess if dealing with the real and pragmatic, I guess.

02:38:21.000 I don't know. I just feel like...

02:38:23.000 We'll finish the sentence.

02:38:24.000 Is that satisfied?

02:38:25.000 Are you satisfied with this answer, Caller?

02:38:27.000 anything or shout anything out well i guess maybe that was a little too uh more really more i just wanted to i was curious more like if the prophecy stuff is propaganda to prey on pros on this um i i right I think that's an extremely complicated question that most people don't even think about.

02:38:56.000 But also in the reform camp, that's not really a focus.

02:39:00.000 I mean, my understanding is that there's an emphasis on that in much more of the kind of Chabad Lubavitch type practices than it is in reform.

02:39:11.000 I honestly just don't know much about that.

02:39:14.000 I don't, you know, this is.

02:39:17.000 The red heifers and the temple and blah, blah, blah.

02:39:22.000 But again, I learned about that stuff too.

02:39:22.000 Like I learned about that.

02:39:24.000 I want to stress too much.

02:39:24.000 I want to stress for you.

02:39:27.000 I want to stress if there's, if no one knows what you're talking about, the question just is not answerable.

02:39:32.000 But I just answered from my perspective, which is like, literally, I learned about that stuff through YouTube videos in my 30s, not Hebrew school or Shabbat club in my teens.

02:39:44.000 Like, that's just the denomination for me is just, it's not really a focus.

02:39:50.000 Zionism, is that just basically like, I support the way that the liberal economic order in Israel in the British Media for Palestine, or I don't support that and I want them to be taken? 0.96

02:40:02.000 No.

02:40:02.000 Wrong.

02:40:03.000 I'm asking, is that the differential?

02:40:04.000 And the answer is no.

02:40:05.000 Well, what is it?

02:40:06.000 Elders of Zion wanted to create a place.

02:40:08.000 Zionism means a bunch of different things.

02:40:09.000 That's why you need to ask someone what they're asking you.

02:40:12.000 In this iteration of Zionism. 0.92

02:40:13.000 Yes.

02:40:14.000 It just means, do you think Israel is allowed to exist as a country?

02:40:17.000 Based on the way it was created and that we support its maintenance, basically.

02:40:20.000 No, that's not what anyone's asking.

02:40:21.000 So they were going to put in North Africa.

02:40:22.000 Okay.

02:40:22.000 And they changed it.

02:40:23.000 Caller, thanks for calling.

02:40:24.000 You want to shout anything out?

02:40:25.000 Literally, in the 1800s, you're going to put in Africa. 0.85

02:40:27.000 I was just going to say, like the orbs guy that y'all were talking about.

02:40:32.000 The orbs.

02:40:35.000 The orbs guy that y'all had mentioned?

02:40:39.000 What?

02:40:40.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:40:41.000 The orbs?

02:40:44.000 Iran and the war is that. 0.72

02:40:46.000 Right.

02:40:47.000 I don't think anybody here knows enough about it or has an opinion on the matter.

02:40:53.000 Like in the question that you asked.

02:40:55.000 Like, do Jews view this as propaganda or not? 0.69

02:40:59.000 Ask two Jews and you get three opinions, man. 0.96

02:41:03.000 I think all religions die out personally. 0.98

02:41:05.000 Me and this Jew.

02:41:06.000 I don't think we agree on much at all.

02:41:07.000 Actually, do you want to prophecy?

02:41:08.000 You want to shout anything out, brother?

02:41:09.000 We're creating reality in real time.

02:41:12.000 Sure.

02:41:13.000 Always the Discord.

02:41:13.000 Yeah.

02:41:15.000 I mean, I've been harassed day one through like, yeah, custody battles, some serious family drama.

02:41:26.000 And I just, it's just, I'm really appreciative and grateful that you guys have created this space for all of us to like hang out together and get to know you.

02:41:38.000 You created it with us to help us do the work that we do all the same.

02:41:40.000 So I appreciate it, man.

02:41:41.000 A lot.

02:41:42.000 Thanks for coming along for the ride, man.

02:41:42.000 I really do.

02:41:44.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:41:44.000 Thanks for driving.

02:41:45.000 And Mike, I'm a big fan, too.

02:41:45.000 Yeah.

02:41:47.000 Oh, awesome.

02:41:48.000 Sorry to put you on the spot like that.

02:41:50.000 No, it's all good.

02:41:50.000 I'm actually, it's a cool, I honestly just haven't thought about it.

02:41:56.000 Well, right on, brother.

02:41:57.000 Thanks for calling in.

02:41:58.000 Have a nice evening.

02:41:59.000 Thank you, man.

02:41:59.000 You too.

02:42:00.000 You too.

02:42:01.000 Next up, we've got Shadow Box Design.

02:42:01.000 All right.

02:42:04.000 What's up, brother?

02:42:05.000 Can you hear me?

02:42:06.000 Yes, sir.

02:42:07.000 What's up?

02:42:08.000 Well, it's been a while since I've listened and called in, but I'm glad to see that the Israel questions are still happening.

02:42:14.000 There's always a lot to see.

02:42:16.000 These guys sure thought it out.

02:42:17.000 I've always thought this was.

02:42:19.000 We got our favorite Bolton Borough on the line, so we got to ask him some questions.

02:42:22.000 I'm actually going to change my question because I was going to ask a question about deportation.

02:42:25.000 That's kind of like not very interesting.

02:42:28.000 I'm just going to ask Tim, since you've been talking about how sort of like the fun is gone, sort of like the joy is gone from not only the movement, but also, you know, kind of your own camp.

02:42:37.000 And, you know, you seem pretty disappointed in that.

02:42:39.000 Is there any kind of things that you're doing right now that you would you would advise people to do as far as like, you know, daily practices or, you know, anything you're doing as far as your business goes to try to bring some of that back?

02:42:50.000 Because I think for a lot of people, they're, they're in the same camp.

02:42:53.000 Like, I feel that way in certain places where it just there's a lot of that joy and that interest in the future that's gone from young men like myself because of the state of the world and our nation right now.

02:43:06.000 I think one thing is like if you watch, like if you notice in the episode today, we avoided Iran war as a topic and we talked lightly on electoral politics, but we kind of just wanted to have fun with it and talk about the weird stuff, you know?

02:43:17.000 So aliens.

02:43:18.000 Aliens, these are big stories too.

02:43:21.000 Try to make a space where we can be hanging out and having a good time, you know?

02:43:26.000 Yeah.

02:43:28.000 All I can really say.

02:43:29.000 Change your, uh, I know you didn't ask me, but I'm going to answer you.

02:43:32.000 Change your scenery.

02:43:33.000 That helps.

02:43:34.000 Go live in a different place for a week or two.

02:43:37.000 See other people, new people, talk about new ideas.

02:43:39.000 Business-wise, we're always trying to map what the future is going to look like and what the best course of action for us is going to be.

02:43:45.000 So, and there's a lot of conversations.

02:43:47.000 We were in Florida, we were in Austin, you know.

02:43:49.000 What's that?

02:43:51.000 I was going to say, I know you guys kind of can't because of the jobs you have in the political space, but I got off X, and I got to say, like, my mental health got so much better because the whole monitoring situation thing is a fun thought.

02:44:03.000 And, you know, it's like, oh, I want to know what's going on at Venezuela or Iran.

02:44:07.000 Just like that photo of the single airplane flying over Iran as missiles were flying.

02:44:12.000 I understand why.

02:44:13.000 And the meme was, I got off social media, my mental health has never been better.

02:44:17.000 And the point is, we are in probably the most trying of times.

02:44:22.000 If the Democrats win the midterms, and they're likely going to, your money is going to disappear.

02:44:30.000 The IRS is going to get bigger.

02:44:31.000 The border is going to open up.

02:44:33.000 And I do think we're facing a mass of young men who are saying exactly what you're saying.

02:44:37.000 Like, you know what, man, I'm tired of this.

02:44:39.000 Nothing is getting done.

02:44:40.000 No, nothing's getting accomplished.

02:44:42.000 I'm sick.

02:44:43.000 I'm over it.

02:44:43.000 I'm out.

02:44:44.000 And now women are screaming at the top of their lungs, taking the space over. 1.00

02:44:48.000 Democrats are going to win, and then you're going to get gulaged. 0.56

02:44:52.000 I'd rather work out, get ripped, and then do a movie.

02:44:56.000 But I hear it all the time from people.

02:44:58.000 They're like, I don't want to be involved.

02:44:59.000 I'm like, neither did the Russians when the Bolsheviks took over.

02:45:02.000 And look how that went for them.

02:45:03.000 Neither did the Chinese when Mao went, or not when Mao, but like when ultimately when Mao did take power and they all got killed. 0.78

02:45:11.000 So I'm like, bro, it's going to get bad.

02:45:14.000 And it's because people are demoralized.

02:45:15.000 And I warned that Candace Owens, what she was doing back in November, would demoralize everybody and fracture the movement. 0.96

02:45:22.000 I was fucking right. 0.93

02:45:23.000 You know what's fucking up my morale is the AI coming. 0.98

02:45:27.000 It's like smothering me or I'm drowning in it.

02:45:29.000 I'm not sure.

02:45:30.000 But I feel like I'm lost in this deep, dark pool of unknowing.

02:45:33.000 And it's like, it's just getting up and up and up.

02:45:36.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

02:45:37.000 I'm just going to wait and see.

02:45:38.000 And that's not a good way to live life.

02:45:39.000 But that's kind of where I've been for about eight months.

02:45:42.000 And that thirst for knowledge isn't always a healthy thing.

02:45:44.000 I mean, we look for wisdom first.

02:45:47.000 And I mean, I'm a Christian, so I believe we find that in the word and also from who grown our relationship with the Lord and does silent times.

02:45:53.000 But I think a lot of times with the demoralization, I absolutely agree.

02:45:57.000 It's with Candace Owens as a large factor in that.

02:46:00.000 But I think one of the big issues that we have is that almost everything that we elected Trump to do, he hasn't done or at least he hasn't committed to.

02:46:11.000 So math deportations, you know, not really being done or at the very least being walked back.

02:46:15.000 And, you know, we elected him to end wars and to not start any new wars, which I suppose if it's the Middle East, it could be classified as an old war.

02:46:22.000 So, I mean, technically, he didn't start any new wars, but it's just demoralizing to people because we hoped that the system would work this time, and it just didn't.

02:46:32.000 It's not a war.

02:46:32.000 It's a special military operation.

02:46:34.000 He freed Ross Albrecht, which is pretty cool.

02:46:36.000 They're like, promises made, promises kept. 0.98

02:46:38.000 And everyone was fucking jerking each other off for three days about how great Donald Trump, he did it. 0.99

02:46:42.000 He did it, everybody. 1.00

02:46:43.000 He did it. 0.67

02:46:44.000 Some of us are still jerking you and some of the people.

02:46:45.000 And then he was like, Epstein's a fake story.

02:46:49.000 All I'm saying is the plan trusters are in shambles right now, dude.

02:46:53.000 I don't feel like I'm.

02:46:55.000 You know, we are right before, like, whatever's going to happen in the future, whether it's censorship or what, we got the opportunity right now.

02:47:01.000 The anvil is probably the hottest.

02:47:03.000 It's most malleable it's ever been.

02:47:06.000 There's a million and one theories to try and understand what's going on.

02:47:09.000 And with the Israel posting and the Kirk posting, it's really hard to understand whether they intentionally want to destroy the movement, which they I think they largely did, or if it's just that men have given up, the space is dying, and there's no more money to run a business.

02:47:23.000 And so people are just screeching whatever they can to get clicks, and Erica Kirk gets clicks. 0.63

02:47:28.000 See, Allison's bought CBS, and their viewership is going down.

02:47:33.000 So it may just be that the media is dying.

02:47:35.000 I don't know.

02:47:35.000 The demoralization of is working.

02:47:37.000 Are you guys aware of the Ernst Junger quote about anti-Semitism?

02:47:41.000 No. 0.96

02:47:42.000 Well, he says that the average anti-Semite would turn even the harshest anti-Semite into a phylo-Semite because what he's saying is that the lower IQ anti-Semitism is just absolutely ridiculous. 0.98

02:47:53.000 And it just demoralizes people. 0.97

02:47:55.000 It makes people want to go away from it.

02:47:57.000 And obviously, Ernst Junger is a he was fought in World War I on the German side.

02:48:01.000 So obviously he's not the fondest man of Jews.

02:48:03.000 But essentially, the thing is that a lot of anti-Semites, they just, especially the absolute bottom-of-the-barrel, like retarded people who, like you've talked about, Tim, where they make literally everything about the Jews. 0.92

02:48:18.000 You talk about, if you said something about, you know, oh, we were drinking, you know, this expensive whiskey, they'd be like, oh, did you know they make whiskey in Israel? 0.91

02:48:26.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:48:26.000 That's the kind of shit you have to deal with. 1.00

02:48:28.000 And that just makes everybody not want to engage with anything. 0.99

02:48:32.000 The first Discord I had, I deleted because that's what was happening.

02:48:35.000 I would go into the Discord and I'd be like, hey guys, what's the big news for the day?

02:48:38.000 This was only doing the morning show.

02:48:40.000 And then somebody would be like, there's a Supreme Court ruling or, you know, this thing happened.

02:48:44.000 I'd be like, oh, okay.

02:48:46.000 Then I would record a segment, come back, and they'd all be just going, Israel, like crazy. 0.99

02:48:50.000 And I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

02:48:52.000 And so the example that I gave of when I watched it happen was someone was like, man, I'm hungry. 0.98

02:48:57.000 I need to go get lunch.

02:48:58.000 And then someone's like, what are you thinking of at?

02:48:59.000 And it's like, there's a pizza place near me.

02:49:00.000 They got pizza by the slice.

02:49:01.000 I'm going to go there.

02:49:02.000 And then someone goes like, what kind of pizza?

02:49:04.000 Where's it from?

02:49:04.000 And they're like, oh, it's like New York style, but I live in Nebraska.

02:49:07.000 And they'll be like, do you ever have pizza in Italy?

02:49:09.000 And then the guy would be like, no, is it any good?

02:49:11.000 Oh, it's totally different.

02:49:12.000 But I once had pizza in Israel.

02:49:14.000 And they're supposed to be like, pizza in Israel?

02:49:16.000 What's that like?

02:49:17.000 Here we go.

02:49:19.000 And then it's like, oh, yeah, because they do it like this.

02:49:21.000 But man, you know, I got to tell you, Israel's got problems. 0.98

02:49:23.000 And then all of a sudden, they're talking about Israel.

02:49:27.000 They love olives on their pizza.

02:49:28.000 In Israel? 1.00

02:49:29.000 Yeah, they love that shit. 1.00

02:49:30.000 I do too. 1.00

02:49:31.000 Every time, like, black olives are delicious.

02:49:34.000 On your pizza?

02:49:34.000 Yeah, they are.

02:49:35.000 Yeah.

02:49:36.000 I like black olives.

02:49:36.000 This guy sounds like a Jew.

02:49:37.000 This guy sounds like an Israeli.

02:49:40.000 My name's Israel, but don't call me a Jew. 0.96

02:49:44.000 Did the Jews used to be because I pictured the Jews, they were like a tribe, and then they inbred like crazy. 1.00

02:49:49.000 They developed really awesome traits.

02:49:51.000 I'm not sure if that's how they got both really extremely good traits and really extremely bad traits.

02:49:57.000 Like people were saying there's like health issues in some positivity that comes from geniuses.

02:50:03.000 Like Judaism has brought genius upon humanity in a lot of ways.

02:50:06.000 So like, but was there a phase where they were really horrific people and it's just like now they're normal because it's like modern culture.

02:50:13.000 We're all kind of normal people now.

02:50:14.000 Bro, olives make you live longer.

02:50:16.000 This is a fact.

02:50:17.000 Iran, how are you beating the incest allegations?

02:50:19.000 Is what Shinzotin is always asking me? 0.94

02:50:22.000 Yeah, no.

02:50:23.000 I mean, hey, I still came out looking this handsome. 0.88

02:50:25.000 No, I don't have taste sex. 0.76

02:50:27.000 Taste sex is one of the genetic disorders that taste sax. 0.94

02:50:29.000 It's a genetic disorder that some Jews have from inbreeding. 1.00

02:50:32.000 Really?

02:50:33.000 Specifically, Ashkenazi Jews.

02:50:34.000 What does it do?

02:50:35.000 Good question. 1.00

02:50:36.000 Makes everything taste like ass. 1.00

02:50:38.000 Have you heard of this taste sex? 1.00

02:50:39.000 It makes you really want to know.

02:50:40.000 But I don't actually.

02:50:42.000 I feel like at one point I did, but it's basically a kind of like, yeah, it's a genetic kind of mutation, if you will.

02:50:50.000 That's like, you know, it's sort of like sickle cell for like African Americans have that like their sort of genetic predispositions that. 1.00

02:50:57.000 Okay, but I was just thinking of it from the Mississippi.

02:51:01.000 I only see it in like a medical reference thing.

02:51:04.000 I'm just like reading from a photo in my head when I think about that.

02:51:08.000 But it's like basically like a hereditary like predisposition.

02:51:13.000 What do you got in your life?

02:51:14.000 This says approximately 90% of the Ashkenazi Jews are descended from a small remnant of a few thousand families who survived a devastating pogrom in the mid-1600s.

02:51:22.000 Yeah, that sounds like a created the genetic pool with recessive mutations where they were breeding, you know, amongst in breeding, whatever you want, but just to stay alive.

02:51:30.000 And this is where Tay-Sachs seems to be.

02:51:32.000 Same thing like a Jew, Tay-Sachs, Tay-Sachs. 1.00

02:51:34.000 Taysox.

02:51:35.000 Tay-Sax. 1.00

02:51:35.000 Tay-Soch or something. 1.00

02:51:36.000 It's T-A-Y-S-A-C-H-S, an autosomal recessive disorder caused by a deficiency of a Hex A enzyme leading to family.

02:51:44.000 But what does it do?

02:51:45.000 What does it mean?

02:51:45.000 They can't taste it.

02:51:47.000 Well, at least a fatal neurological deterioration in infants.

02:51:50.000 It's bad.

02:51:51.000 But it's also found in French.

02:51:51.000 It's very bad.

02:51:53.000 What does it do?

02:51:54.000 They just die.

02:51:55.000 It kills your child.

02:51:55.000 Yeah.

02:51:56.000 And fatal neurological deterioration in infants.

02:51:59.000 Very bad disease.

02:51:59.000 I don't know.

02:52:00.000 This is pretty bad.

02:52:02.000 Small ancestral group had it.

02:52:04.000 I don't know, but I heard that.

02:52:05.000 Shadowbox, did you want to add anything or shout anything out?

02:52:08.000 I was going to make a joke about Tay-Sachs until I heard it kills babies, so I'm not going to make it that joke anymore. 1.00

02:52:13.000 Oh, we did Dead Baby Jokes yesterday.

02:52:14.000 That's true.

02:52:15.000 What'd you say?

02:52:17.000 We did Dead Baby Jokes yesterday.

02:52:19.000 Oh, well, I was going to say that Tay Sachs is one of God's many curses on people. 1.00

02:52:23.000 Joking, of course.

02:52:24.000 But I'm just going to shout out my Instagram, Shadowbox Design.

02:52:28.000 Just hit me up on there for anybody who needs any designs, client work.

02:52:31.000 I do logos, shirt designs, things like that.

02:52:34.000 And then Watchmen Clothing Co. is my shirt business.

02:52:37.000 If anybody wants to go buy a shirt, design stuff sort of in the tactical space, but still stick into Christian designs. 0.86

02:52:43.000 So my most recent one is all restraints are temporary.

02:52:46.000 Got a bunch of breaching tools on the back of the shirt with a, as well as an open grave, because that's what our Lord and Savior exited, the King of the Jews. 0.97

02:52:57.000 But I just want to thank you guys for having me on.

02:52:59.000 And I want to just encourage everybody to, you know, just get in the word, get in prayer if you can.

02:53:05.000 If, you know, if you're not religious, just meditate on good things.

02:53:08.000 You know, the Bible says to think on good things and to not ruminate on the negative.

02:53:13.000 So, but bless you guys.

02:53:15.000 That's all right.

02:53:15.000 Thanks for calling in, brother.

02:53:17.000 Man, when you're sitting alone in your room and you find yourself thinking a negative thought, shift it up, focus positive energy.

02:53:22.000 All right, we got Jailer.

02:53:23.000 What's up?

02:53:24.000 What up, Jayler?

02:53:26.000 You know, it's kind of funny everything you talked about in the beginning of the call-in show, because my question kind of pertains to Charlie Kirk and all that.

02:53:37.000 So my question is a question mostly for Tim, but the whole panel.

02:53:41.000 On Saturday night, I'm going to debate a bunch of liberals at a bar in Appleton, Wisconsin.

02:53:46.000 Do you have any advice you can give me?

02:53:48.000 A friend is releasing her second book, and the crowd is going to be mostly liberally, very vocally politically inclined people that I've been asked to debate.

02:53:57.000 Honestly, it's just to be fun, but I'm certainly going to bring up like May 31st that they bring up J6 and all that. 0.72

02:54:04.000 And I'm going to add a little bit more to my question.

02:54:06.000 Like, my clincher usually tends to be...

02:54:09.000 Do they know you're coming in as an enemy to debate?

02:54:11.000 ...that shot Charlie Kirk?

02:54:13.000 I...

02:54:13.000 Do they know that you're coming in as an adversary to debate them?

02:54:17.000 Yes.

02:54:19.000 That puts you in a weaken footing.

02:54:21.000 Usually the best thing you can do is try and find as many areas to agree with them as possible before bringing up your counterpoint.

02:54:27.000 It takes away any rebuttals they might have.

02:54:30.000 So if like the riots, for instance, when they say J6 was really bad, it was an insurrection.

02:54:37.000 Then you respond with, don't agree with it.

02:54:40.000 Here's what I would do.

02:54:41.000 I wouldn't go, it was an insurrection.

02:54:42.000 You're right.

02:54:42.000 I would say, man, the people who ride on J6 deserved prison.

02:54:46.000 You know, these people that are fighting cops, it's disgusting behavior.

02:54:49.000 And these people should be in prison.

02:54:51.000 And you know what?

02:54:52.000 They got convicted.

02:54:53.000 I'm glad they did.

02:54:54.000 Then you counter now with.

02:54:57.000 And what's shocking to me is, I mean, at least these guys did get prison, but the people at the May 29th insurrection did not.

02:55:05.000 And, you know, these are people who are attacking cops.

02:55:07.000 They set fire to a church.

02:55:09.000 They fired on the White House grounds.

02:55:10.000 And so all I'm asking for is just like accountability for political extremists.

02:55:15.000 I don't care if you're left or right.

02:55:16.000 Equality.

02:55:17.000 You know, lock these J6er rioters up, but the May 29th rioters, man, they got to go too. 1.00

02:55:22.000 And then, when they're like, what's that?

02:55:23.000 You just go, when they write it when the liberals were writing at the White House, and they'll be like, what do you, I don't know what that is that didn't happen.

02:55:29.000 You'll be like, I just assumed it was common knowledge.

02:55:32.000 There's photos of the fire at the White House in St. John's Church.

02:55:35.000 It was a big deal.

02:55:37.000 You're not familiar?

02:55:38.000 Like, I already agreed with you on the Jay 6 thing.

02:55:40.000 I don't even want me to say it.

02:55:42.000 I have a couple of pointers for you.

02:55:44.000 First and foremost, try not to get triggered.

02:55:47.000 Try your best not to lose your wits and start getting flustered and raising your voice and getting angry.

02:55:52.000 It's very difficult to do, especially when you're debating something that you're passionate about and don't have a lot of practice about it.

02:55:57.000 Second thing is try to get specific when they speak in Vegadies.

02:56:01.000 Vegadies. 0.99

02:56:02.000 Vagaries. 0.99

02:56:02.000 Vegadies. 0.99

02:56:03.000 Vagaries. 0.99

02:56:03.000 Vegadies. 0.99

02:56:04.000 People are, no, they'll start using rhetorics on like white supremacism and fascism and ask them to get very specific very quickly and bring up specific examples.

02:56:15.000 They'll use a lot of coded language and to try to cut through that.

02:56:18.000 They're going to gish gallop you, bro. 1.00

02:56:22.000 If you find that your emotions are getting riled for some reason, or if the audience gets involved and starts to be the fifth man and join the other side, maintain eye contact with your primary debate opponent on stage and keep listening to them through the noise because that will give them respect and then they'll respect you and all that fucking noise will quit will go away. 0.98

02:56:43.000 I guess one last thing. 0.95

02:56:44.000 Politicians are taught this.

02:56:46.000 Don't answer, answer the question you want to be asked.

02:56:49.000 They can ask whatever they can, you know, they can hit you with whatever you want.

02:56:52.000 Focus on the points that you are trying to get to.

02:56:55.000 However you want to go about it.

02:56:57.000 Try to redirect the conversation back into the points you are trying to make.

02:57:01.000 You'll ask politicians questions all the time.

02:57:03.000 One reason or another, they always end up saying what they want and plan to say all along.

02:57:07.000 Just keep that in mind when going in there.

02:57:09.000 Don't get distracted.

02:57:10.000 Don't go down their argument, path of argument.

02:57:13.000 Try to stay on your path.

02:57:14.000 But I'm wishing you good luck out there.

02:57:16.000 And it could be a lot of pressure, especially when the crowd's against you.

02:57:19.000 And if it's not something that you've been doing or have practiced a lot on the political scene, Mike, you have any pointies for the dude?

02:57:27.000 Yeah, they're going to gish gallop you. 1.00

02:57:28.000 I'll just say that.

02:57:29.000 And the one thing I'm going to say is I don't do things like this. 0.90

02:57:33.000 Like I wouldn't go on Bill Maher because what they're going to do, just look, watch the debate between Ben Shapiro and the fat woman with a beard.

02:57:43.000 And this is what they'll do to you.

02:57:44.000 They'll just keep talking really fast and insulting you, not letting you actually answer, and then clap and cheer that they've won.

02:57:50.000 And they'll share that clip far and wide and say they beat you.

02:57:54.000 You'll do all right, man.

02:57:55.000 You watch Tim Cast IRL.

02:57:55.000 We got faith in you.

02:57:57.000 You know what to do.

02:57:58.000 You know what points to focus on.

02:58:00.000 I have faith in you.

02:58:01.000 Every day for the past couple of years.

02:58:02.000 Yeah.

02:58:03.000 Let us know how it goes.

02:58:04.000 Their language.

02:58:05.000 Mike, did you have any input?

02:58:08.000 Yeah, in general, if you know that you're up against a rigged crowd and the rules of the joust are rigged against you, settle for lowered expectations and a few things to nudge on.

02:58:23.000 Like, you know, rather than aiming for a kind of home run where you can sort of, you know, get exposed to the rules being like seriously abused, you know, plant basically the seeds in the audience to open them up to your perspective.

02:58:43.000 I think what Tim said is very true: that you want to start with your points of agreement and try to meet people where they are.

02:58:53.000 But and use it kind of come from the perspective of trying to educate rather than to persuade.

02:58:59.000 And with your palms open, that you're even though you recognize that many of them may see you as coming from an enemy camp or something, that you're kind of here to help Just let them know about a few things they might not have known about, not to change their mind about the whole thing if that option isn't really available under those circumstances.

02:59:22.000 Yeah, well, I hope that answered your question, good sir.

02:59:25.000 Was there anything you wanted to shout out?

02:59:27.000 Uh, honestly, no, that should about do it.

02:59:30.000 Uh, I mean, shout out, y'all were talking about earlier all the space stuff, and I wanted to shout out the TV show The Expanse.

02:59:37.000 That uh, when we were talking about the space stuff, um, they did the stuff without all the shields and stuff, and all kinetic stuff, all physics stuff.

02:59:47.000 Y'all should watch The Expanse.

02:59:49.000 Uh, right on, and that should about do her. 0.78

02:59:51.000 Oh, y'all have a terrific night, and uh, yo, long live Charlie Kirk, man. 0.75

02:59:57.000 Like, the man was a fucking legend, and I really appreciate you guys talking about him earlier today and early on the after-show. 0.78

03:00:03.000 And that kind of led into everything I was asking about. 0.95

03:00:07.000 Y'all have a great night, you too.

03:00:08.000 You too, man.

03:00:09.000 Man, they're gonna smoke DMT and take monoatomic golden space, and it will superconduct the radiation.

03:00:16.000 This is how the humans are going to be able to exist in deep space, maybe without the DMT because you already have DMT flowing through you, you know, right on naturally.

03:00:24.000 Yeah, that gold will help your neurons superconduct.

03:00:27.000 Well, Maya has been fun.

03:00:28.000 Thanks for hanging out.

03:00:28.000 Oh, thanks for having me.

03:00:30.000 I was, I thought you were going to keep going.

03:00:32.000 I was like, Take it down another rabbit hole.

03:00:34.000 I thought this is good.

03:00:34.000 This is going to this, like, uh, you know, this is it.

03:00:37.000 Alex Jones, the wonders of Magellan.

03:00:40.000 When you smoke DMT on Earth, you can see it.

03:00:41.000 All right, thanks for having everybody.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 25, 2026

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