Tower Gang - Ep 15 - Joe Bishop-Henchman to Gitmo w⧸ Jeremy Kauffman

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00:00:16.420 Hey, this is Jose Galeeson.

00:00:18.200 This is not No Way Jose, my normal show.

00:00:20.760 This is my normal rigmarole.

00:00:23.520 Today, this is fucking Tower Power Hour.

00:00:25.680 I'm a returning host.

00:00:28.020 Fucking, I'm the least regular regular of the Tower Power Hour.

00:00:31.860 We have Toad, we have Fat Dave, and we have Jeremy Kaufman with us today.

00:00:37.220 Jeremy, you want to provide a quick little fucking intro for yourself for the retards who are living under a fucking rock?

00:00:43.240 We're banned already.

00:00:44.720 I mean, I think people who don't know who I am are probably living a better life.

00:00:49.220 But, you know, I think I'm here because I have recently kind of come to this position of controversy in the Libertarian Party.

00:01:00.880 So I was tweeting from the LPNH account and said some of the things that kind of set all this off, this big drama between LPNational and LPNH.

00:01:12.740 Not my intent.

00:01:13.800 I am a very dedicated Libertarian.

00:01:17.220 I'm a board member of the Free State Project.

00:01:19.940 I've lived in – and I've lived in New Hampshire for about six years now, which is absolutely the best state for Libertarians to live in.

00:01:27.580 And you're going to hear me show that repeatedly, you know, probably throughout the show.

00:01:31.420 But I imagine we're going to mostly talk about, like, LPNH and LPNational drama, and, you know, I'm happy to do that.

00:01:38.440 Yeah, mostly the depraved aspects of it.

00:01:41.000 Hey, what's up, Reid?

00:01:41.760 We see you in the chat.

00:01:42.580 Yes.

00:01:42.960 We want to send henchmen to Gitmo.

00:01:46.200 That's what we're going for here.

00:01:50.400 Yeah, we'll definitely get into that.

00:01:51.780 I want to lead off with a fucking little story.

00:01:54.060 And this is an honest-to-God truth, a story that happened.

00:01:56.540 I was like, I can't not tell this entire Power Hour.

00:01:59.260 And it's going to perfectly segue into, like, some of our talking points.

00:02:03.280 So I legit at work yesterday fucking taking a dump because I actually work for the federal government.

00:02:08.420 I'm in the military.

00:02:09.080 My last day – it actually was supposed to be Friday.

00:02:11.300 I'm getting out fucking Monday now.

00:02:13.160 Like, I don't know why my day got moved.

00:02:14.660 My last day.

00:02:15.480 Just the fuck out, man.

00:02:16.020 I fuck off a lot at work because, I mean –

00:02:17.720 Move as much as possible.

00:02:20.600 Yeah, I move a lot.

00:02:22.700 Federal government goes federal toilets.

00:02:25.640 That's why everything is gay, by the way.

00:02:27.880 Yeah, I know.

00:02:28.260 I mean, yeah, we're going to get to the gay.

00:02:30.900 But fucking – I mean, yeah, I was just shitting.

00:02:33.100 I'm not going to lie.

00:02:33.760 I play on my phone a lot while I'm taking a dump.

00:02:35.340 I mean, I'm fucking salary, so I don't give a shit.

00:02:38.340 Like, what are they going to do?

00:02:39.240 Fire me?

00:02:39.620 I'm getting out.

00:02:40.480 Like, so I spent a lot of time in the shitter.

00:02:43.340 Anyways, I'm in there.

00:02:44.440 And, like, I'm the only one in the bathroom.

00:02:46.040 And then all of a sudden I start hearing this, like, what sounds like someone brushing their teeth.

00:02:51.060 And I realized, like, you know, kind of that, like, sound when someone – you're doing the back of your throat and you're, like, the tongue and you're going to hear that weird gagging sound.

00:02:58.520 And then it didn't take me long to realize someone's getting their dick sucked in here.

00:03:03.180 They were like, shit.

00:03:04.420 Like, and I was the only one in here.

00:03:05.740 So I'm like – I'm in this awkward position now where I'm sitting in the bathroom.

00:03:09.920 And I'm like, these motherfuckers probably don't realize I'm in here.

00:03:12.700 And so I'm in this awkward, like, what do I do?

00:03:14.280 Do I just wait until they finish?

00:03:15.840 Like, do I just, like – do I make, like, a grunt noise?

00:03:20.140 Like, hope they go away?

00:03:22.060 Just start cheering them on.

00:03:25.420 I also don't know what the fuck you're talking about because I personally don't deep throw up my toothbrush.

00:03:29.680 So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

00:03:30.680 You don't ever, like, get a little too far in it.

00:03:32.260 And it wasn't that it was, like, a gagging noise.

00:03:34.680 It just kind of sounded that, like –

00:03:36.220 I know I'm not gay because I have a terrible gag reflex.

00:03:39.700 God was just like, you're not going to be gay.

00:03:41.820 I also don't – I have a vibrating toothbrush.

00:03:44.380 I also don't flip it, you know, around so the wide side is going into my mouth either.

00:03:47.940 I don't do that.

00:03:49.040 So I don't know, man.

00:03:50.020 I would not mistake those noises.

00:03:51.460 But anyways, to tie this back into everything, I just – after – in light of that, I just have to ask Jeremy,

00:03:57.460 how could you possibly hate the gays?

00:03:59.520 I mean, like, it's just a blood in its purest form.

00:04:03.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:06.180 It's funny because, like, I've developed this – I don't even – I don't know if people have a – if I have a reputation yet.

00:04:11.260 But, like, I'm not even particularly, like, right libertarian.

00:04:13.940 I'm, like, hardcore capitalist and I'm, like, pretty anti-woke.

00:04:16.800 But, like, I don't care, man.

00:04:18.860 I don't care.

00:04:19.640 I don't care if people do whatever they want with their genitals, with their marriages, like, whatever.

00:04:26.820 I literally could not care less.

00:04:30.720 I don't even care if – about, like, the, like, child trans issue and, like, whatever this is.

00:04:37.160 Again, like, to me, that's, like, it's none of my fucking business.

00:04:39.840 It's none of the state's business.

00:04:40.780 It's none of my business.

00:04:41.740 It's a business of, like, parents and their children.

00:04:43.900 And so it's, like, I just don't want to cheer it on, right?

00:04:47.600 Like, I'm not inclined to cheer it on.

00:04:50.140 And so –

00:04:50.480 That's why you're a bigot.

00:04:51.480 Yeah.

00:04:52.700 And that's the crazy part of it, right?

00:04:54.660 Because it's, like, the attacks are all, like, you're not enthusiastically for it.

00:05:00.560 And so, therefore, you're against it.

00:05:02.260 And, like –

00:05:02.600 Well, also, like, you'll make a joke if you make a joke about it.

00:05:05.760 Like, he's, like, we cannot joke about these protected classes.

00:05:09.200 Like, fuck off.

00:05:10.200 I'll joke about anybody and everything.

00:05:12.500 Right.

00:05:12.700 And there – and I will say, because I have a tendency to be, like, fuck you.

00:05:17.520 You tell me I can't joke about it and it makes me want to, right?

00:05:20.920 Like, I don't really like calling people faggots.

00:05:25.420 Like, I kind of think that's, like, not the nicest thing to do.

00:05:28.360 Yeah, you do.

00:05:30.020 No, I don't.

00:05:30.880 I really didn't say the word.

00:05:32.000 I don't say the word.

00:05:32.700 I stopped saying the word when I was, like, 16 or 17.

00:05:35.240 Like, I really haven't said very much.

00:05:36.340 But then I see, like, how much – how, like, how uptight people get about it.

00:05:42.260 And I'll be honest.

00:05:43.120 It kind of makes me want to say it again.

00:05:45.200 I haven't really said it.

00:05:46.880 But it's, like, I'm, like, come on.

00:05:49.080 It's just crazy.

00:05:50.780 It's crazy.

00:05:51.880 So.

00:05:52.920 Yeah.

00:05:53.160 I think it's my favorite word.

00:05:54.200 I mean, the outright libertarians are petitioning.

00:06:00.440 I don't think they understand how any aspect of libertarianism or the Libertarian Party works.

00:06:04.660 But they're petitioning right now to have me kicked out of the party, which I also don't, you know.

00:06:11.240 Yeah.

00:06:11.500 Yeah.

00:06:11.880 Seriously, there's a petition on outright libertarians on their Facebook page right now.

00:06:15.000 Like, the things you can get kicked out of the Libertarian Party for.

00:06:18.560 Doxing and saying faggot.

00:06:21.160 To be fair.

00:06:22.640 I've never even said faggot.

00:06:23.640 I don't even know what homophobic thing I'm purported to have said, you know.

00:06:29.540 You're reacting to the lines.

00:06:31.200 Now you can just get kicked out now for being a member of the Mises Caucus, apparently.

00:06:35.880 So that's a new one.

00:06:38.080 Well, the affiliate can get kicked out for being in the Mises Caucus.

00:06:40.660 By the way, I actually just had someone tell me that, and I don't know if this is true,

00:06:52.580 but AJ Olding tweeted it six minutes ago, that JBH is going to resign this Friday.

00:07:00.620 I don't know.

00:07:01.200 Shit.

00:07:01.940 Get me to be cooler.

00:07:03.140 Yeah.

00:07:04.080 Wait, so I really don't know how it, like, the bylaws, whatever.

00:07:08.280 Who takes over at that point?

00:07:09.760 I would assume the vice chair, which is Ken Mollman.

00:07:13.200 Ken Mollman's been, like, one of our best defenders, one of our biggest defenders, yeah.

00:07:18.240 Okay.

00:07:18.840 Hans Mollman, is he, like, 30-whatever, but he looks like he's 80 and he, like, dies every

00:07:23.800 second.

00:07:24.600 It's funny that the vice chair is the last name of Mollman because I thought – I was thinking

00:07:29.320 about, like, who Joe Bishop Henchman reminded me of, and I was actually thinking that he reminded

00:07:33.800 me of, like, Mollman from The Simpsons.

00:07:35.540 Like, he kind of does.

00:07:39.000 He's, like, this, like, ineffectual person who, like, no one's paying attention to.

00:07:43.180 And – but, yeah, the vice chair also has the last name Mollman, so.

00:07:47.800 I mean, the Peter Pettigrew thing is uncanny, honestly, once I saw that.

00:07:51.540 I don't know if, like – that's a Harry Potter reference, the rat fucking transforming person

00:07:55.980 or whatever the fuck.

00:07:57.320 But anyone listening, go look that up.

00:07:58.900 It's fucking insane uncanny.

00:08:00.360 It's actually –

00:08:00.820 I think someone posted it on Twitter, didn't you?

00:08:02.260 It was Drew.

00:08:02.740 It was Drew.

00:08:03.820 Drew did it.

00:08:05.120 Well, yeah, and the fact that, yeah, Henchman looks like a rat and has those teeth and his

00:08:09.180 last name is Henchman, it's kind of just, like, out of a movie or something almost.

00:08:13.120 Like, we literally actually voted for this guy.

00:08:16.500 It's like that thing how, like, more people named Dennis become dentists.

00:08:20.240 You know, it's like this thing.

00:08:23.400 I think that's a fake fact, by the way, so I just want to –

00:08:26.820 I think that's a fake fact.

00:08:27.980 It's real.

00:08:28.380 I'm just taking it as a fake fact.

00:08:30.880 Dude, glowy's just glow so bright.

00:08:32.560 I don't know what to say.

00:08:33.800 Like, it just is what it is.

00:08:36.440 Yeah, some weird psychological thing.

00:08:38.420 I mean, should we start, like, at the top of this LPNH shit or –

00:08:41.620 Yeah, I really want to get into it because, like, I've already heard –

00:08:45.340 I've watched Heist on Dave Smith and I watched Heist on Break the Cycle with Josh Smith.

00:08:52.040 And so he gave, like, kind of back –

00:08:53.620 but I wanted to get somebody from, like, was actually in LPNH at the time

00:08:57.820 and kind of was the reason for it anyway.

00:09:01.640 So you can just –

00:09:02.340 Yeah, I mean, and by the way, I will say, like,

00:09:05.560 and if there's anything I don't cover here, like –

00:09:07.820 and this is one –

00:09:08.440 I will – I'm, like, pretty difficult to frustrate,

00:09:10.800 and I wouldn't say that I'm frustrated by anything that's been happening.

00:09:13.700 But something that is, like, it's a little bit annoying is, like,

00:09:16.300 these people forming all these opinions, it's, like, just fucking talk to me.

00:09:19.460 Like, I'm, like, the most approachable, accessible person.

00:09:22.200 I'm, like, maximally public.

00:09:23.840 I, like, don't really believe in privacy.

00:09:25.780 You know, it's, like, you can find me, you can email me,

00:09:28.380 you can message me on any channel, I'll answer you.

00:09:30.520 I talk to randos all the time.

00:09:33.260 And so it's, like, if you're going to form some opinion about me, you know,

00:09:36.900 maybe ask me a question, like, why did you say this or whatever.

00:09:40.120 So I would just say – and so if there's anything we don't cover here,

00:09:44.180 that's, like, a generally true statement.

00:09:46.380 And I'm not even, like, an edgelordy type person.

00:09:49.360 I'm a pretty thoughtful guy, you know.

00:09:51.540 Not according to Dave Smith.

00:09:52.620 You're a show poster, apparently.

00:09:55.620 We all are.

00:09:56.860 No, no.

00:09:57.940 But that's an intentional strategy.

00:09:59.900 It's a considered strategy, right?

00:10:01.700 Yeah, 100%.

00:10:02.060 Like, it's not – I'm not, like, doing that and not knowing what I'm doing.

00:10:06.700 There's an intentionality behind it, you know.

00:10:08.620 Now, I will say that, like, there's not the most, like, forethought.

00:10:14.140 Like, the things that ended up getting us in trouble,

00:10:16.340 it's, like, probably, like, 30 seconds between conception to, like, posting.

00:10:20.500 Maybe one of them took a little bit longer.

00:10:22.340 But I tell the group, I'm like, look, I think this is a strategy.

00:10:25.080 I think we can say things that are, like, unequivocally libertarian,

00:10:28.400 and we can get the message boosted by people hating us, right?

00:10:31.480 Like, that's literally what I was saying is that we can say things that are true,

00:10:35.060 that we can back up, and we can get people who hate libertarians already

00:10:39.220 and are never going to be libertarians to amplify our message.

00:10:43.540 And by creating that drama, we can get press coverage,

00:10:45.620 and we can get these other outcomes, right?

00:10:49.160 And so it's, like, it's a thoughtful strategy.

00:10:51.920 I mean, I've built brands.

00:10:53.100 Like, I've invented brands from nothing.

00:10:55.760 The companies that I run are used – I run a website called Odyssey

00:11:00.320 and another company called Library, and it's, like, I've built these brands up

00:11:04.000 to hundreds of thousands, millions of people that are interested in them.

00:11:07.020 Two million people will use Odyssey today, you know?

00:11:09.380 And it's, like, that's – I'm not an idiot about it.

00:11:13.520 Like, this is a different strategy I'm applying here,

00:11:15.980 but it's not, like, just to be provocative.

00:11:18.860 There's a real strategy.

00:11:20.380 And so it would be nice to – I mean, whoever these people are,

00:11:23.100 whether it's Dave Smith or anyone else, they have a problem with me.

00:11:25.620 Like, talk to me.

00:11:27.020 Let's have a conversation about it.

00:11:28.340 I'll tell you what I'm doing, and I'm happy to lay it out here.

00:11:32.260 But, yeah, I mean, like, with – so, I mean, to me,

00:11:34.880 there's sort of two categories of the tweets.

00:11:37.200 There's the ones that are unequivocally libertarian but provocative, right?

00:11:41.580 And so these would be in the category of, like –

00:11:44.580 The child labor one.

00:11:46.020 The child labor, the Civil Rights Act, like, these kinds of things.

00:11:49.280 The Civil Rights Act one is especially, like,

00:11:52.220 this is a real policy solution to wokeness, right?

00:11:57.480 And I'll admit I'm opposed to wokeness.

00:12:00.060 And it's like, this is the real answer.

00:12:01.680 The reason diversity and inclusion and these HR departments have been taking over corporations

00:12:06.540 is largely due to federal law.

00:12:10.120 It's largely due to federal law.

00:12:11.980 Like, I can't – I would love to IQ test the people that I hire.

00:12:16.400 That's arguably illegal.

00:12:18.380 And the reason it's illegal is the Civil Rights Act, right?

00:12:22.640 Like, this is not – this is a real substantive policy position, right?

00:12:28.220 And then there's the other category where I want –

00:12:30.280 and these, I think, actually ended up causing us less trouble.

00:12:32.800 But to me, if I was the sort of, you know, ideological libertarian who didn't want trouble,

00:12:38.760 it's the stuff like, you know, send Fauci to Gitmo.

00:12:41.340 And, like, that's at least ostensibly against the libertarian platform.

00:12:47.740 I mean, I think it's clearly a joke.

00:12:49.660 But, like, maybe you don't like jokes.

00:12:51.200 Maybe you don't like that kind of joke.

00:12:52.240 Maybe you think the official handles shouldn't be making these kinds of posts.

00:12:55.120 Like, I can understand that position.

00:12:58.160 To get mad that we said children should be allowed to work, like, there's –

00:13:02.800 that's a core libertarian position as far as I can say.

00:13:05.200 Actually, I was listening to Carrie Ann Harlos on Tom Woods today, and she said that is literally a part of the LP –

00:13:12.460 one of their actual core beliefs on their website, I believe, is that to end child labor laws and to end –

00:13:19.000 Is that actually a plank?

00:13:19.940 It's not a plank, but it is one of their –

00:13:22.200 It actually used – yeah, it used to be.

00:13:24.040 In, like, 2002 or something like that?

00:13:25.460 Yeah, it used to be.

00:13:26.460 But even in the current form of the platform – and, by the way, I'm, like, an autistic nerd.

00:13:30.740 I mean, I don't think I'm actually autistic.

00:13:32.020 Well, you all are.

00:13:32.880 But, like, John, you all are.

00:13:33.920 I'm, like, that kind of, like, obsessive type of person who will do a lot of, like, reading and learning.

00:13:39.420 And the platform entirely supports what I said.

00:13:43.720 Like, I made sure that it did.

00:13:45.480 I can cite the exact parts of the platform that support it.

00:13:49.520 And it's, like, pretty unequivocal.

00:13:50.980 And so it's so crazy to me that people are mad at us.

00:13:54.220 Like, the Libertarian Party should be mad at Gary Johnson.

00:13:58.460 Gary Johnson contradicted the platform and attacked the party.

00:14:02.740 How can you get mad at us?

00:14:04.540 It's ridiculous.

00:14:05.800 Get mad at Gary.

00:14:06.860 And this is why it's so important.

00:14:08.660 Because when you do this shift to the middle, let's get more votes.

00:14:13.500 Let's get Bill Weld and let's get Gary in.

00:14:16.000 You get these people in who don't have the slightest understanding of Libertarian concepts.

00:14:21.500 And I'm a Mises Caucus supporter, I think.

00:14:25.500 I think.

00:14:26.240 I'm pretty sure I still am.

00:14:27.680 But I'm seeing this now, too.

00:14:29.600 The Mises Caucus Facebook group is giving me shit for, again, unequivocally libertarian positions.

00:14:35.900 Right?

00:14:36.120 And it's, like, are you trying to drive?

00:14:37.340 I mean, I'm basically an ANCAP or a volunteerist.

00:14:39.920 And it's, like, you're trying to drive?

00:14:41.540 Are we welcome here?

00:14:42.640 Because this is what we believe.

00:14:44.260 And these are incredibly defensible positions.

00:14:47.840 And it's this, like, populist, you know, potentially populist right-wing shit that's anti—that's not compatible with libertarianism.

00:14:56.560 And so, I don't know, man.

00:14:57.980 Like, I—

00:14:59.020 And it's also—it's hard to argue with the numbers, either.

00:15:03.960 When you have, what, 10,000 percent up in—not mentions—fucking impressions.

00:15:11.520 Like, when you have, like, this huge thing, I mean, you can't really argue that it's bad.

00:15:18.320 I mean, any—

00:15:19.040 The child labor tweet did 12 million impressions.

00:15:23.160 Jesus.

00:15:23.900 What was that tweet exactly?

00:15:25.380 I don't even remember exactly what it was.

00:15:27.380 It was literally a child labor.

00:15:29.400 To legalize child labor, children will learn more at work than in school.

00:15:35.600 That's right.

00:15:36.100 Oh, yeah.

00:15:36.480 And then underneath, you posted, I believe, a feed article.

00:15:39.960 You posted all of those.

00:15:40.460 Yeah.

00:15:40.840 Yeah, you posted, like, good articles.

00:15:42.500 And the follow-up tweets individually did, like, a million impressions.

00:15:47.680 That's a million people.

00:15:49.940 I don't know how many clicked the article.

00:15:51.320 I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's like, that's getting the idea in front of people.

00:15:55.100 And so, this comes back to part of the strategy.

00:15:57.400 And this is—I'll say these things—I mean, I think these things are true.

00:16:01.820 A lot of libertarians don't like accepting these things, but I think there's a ton of evidence to substantiate them,

00:16:06.200 which is, like, basically, libertarian ideas are unpopular.

00:16:10.360 Most people will never be libertarian.

00:16:12.540 We just went through lockdowns.

00:16:14.960 The 70%, 80%, 90% of people supported them.

00:16:18.660 Now, you know, I went through lockdowns.

00:16:19.980 I was like, it's morally incomprehensible.

00:16:22.160 This is so offensive.

00:16:23.260 This is disgusting, right?

00:16:24.480 And so, like, my—and this is backed by, you know, psychology research, cognitive science research, morality research.

00:16:33.400 It's like, people are actually kind of different.

00:16:36.240 You know, we might all agree that murder is wrong, you know, but there's other categories of things where we're more disagreed.

00:16:44.080 Libertarians actually have, like, kind of, like, measurably different, you know, moral and ethical principles,

00:16:49.940 and they're not really logically determined.

00:16:52.880 It's not really logic that determines your ethics.

00:16:56.420 You can come up—you'll find that you're attracted to these logical arguments that justify your ethics,

00:17:01.640 but as any libertarian has experienced, you try to give these logical arguments to other people,

00:17:06.640 and they don't really accept them, right?

00:17:08.760 And so, it's more important that we make sure that, like, every possible person in America has at least heard the arguments,

00:17:18.460 so the people who are sympathetic to them, you know, find them and discover it,

00:17:24.780 because the biggest failure would be that people don't even understand that these things are possible.

00:17:30.080 I mean, I am of the opinion that it's never going to happen.

00:17:34.240 We're never going to persuade the majority of Americans to be libertarian.

00:17:37.420 It's a big part of why I'm a free stater, because once you realize that you can't persuade the majority of people to be libertarian,

00:17:43.820 you can adjust your strategy, and you can go, well, okay, we might not get the majority,

00:17:47.900 but there's 10 million of us in the country, or 20 million, or however many it is,

00:17:52.400 and if we choose to concentrate physically, that's actually enough to win.

00:17:59.060 And so, that's, like, that's a big part of why I became a, you know, became a free stater.

00:18:03.060 And so, that's why I like this messaging that is somewhat provocative, but backed up by substance,

00:18:08.580 because it makes sure it lets the people who will be activated by the ideas, if they hear them, it lets them see them.

00:18:17.060 This is the remnant concept. That's all it is.

00:18:19.660 And ironically, I feel like focusing on the remnant will actually end up getting you more, too.

00:18:25.800 Because, like, I know people go on about, like, fucking how well they did under Gary Johnson and shit,

00:18:30.880 but I actually think a lot of that was a sign of the times.

00:18:33.340 Like, I think when you have this milquetoast messaging, you end up doing worse as well.

00:18:37.460 So, when you have, like, messaging like you're pushing forward, I think you end up actually doing better.

00:18:41.460 Not that I give a shit. I'll be honest. I mean, most guys know that I'm more of the agorist route.

00:18:45.600 I actually don't agree with using this.

00:18:47.280 And part of why I don't agree is because I think that most people don't have the balls to do what Jeremy's trying to do.

00:18:52.800 If somehow magically we could get people to have this kind of messaging across the board, okay, yeah, sure.

00:18:58.880 We could get something fucking going.

00:19:00.600 But I just think the incentives of political, like, utilizing the political system drive it the opposite way.

00:19:05.580 And you're kind of fighting against the stream as we're seeing here.

00:19:08.380 But, I mean, all the more power to you. I hope it fucking happens.

00:19:11.200 I hope we can get people to start driving this type of messaging because I think that's what can actually drive forth more liberty.

00:19:17.160 Yeah, you know, I think the remnant's real.

00:19:19.320 I think that the sort of archetype that the remnant's describing, I think that's real.

00:19:23.740 I think it exists.

00:19:24.500 I don't think it's enough to win.

00:19:26.660 Right.

00:19:27.160 And that's part of it.

00:19:27.900 I think this is a byproduct of our nationalism that we've been brought up through fucking years of propaganda.

00:19:33.660 The idea that we need to have, like, get the nation to come together and accept liberty is fucking retarded.

00:19:39.760 Like, I don't need to.

00:19:41.280 I just need to be able to have more liberty in my location or have a location I can go to where I have more liberty.

00:19:46.960 That's all we need.

00:19:47.680 The other thing is, like, do you think do you think milquetoast messaging is going to get very active people or milquetoast people also?

00:19:55.460 Like, or and then the opposite is also do you think these, like, radical messaging is going to get radical people that will also be radical?

00:20:02.460 And, like, it's kind of a – I mean, you're not going to reach the radicals with milquetoast messaging.

00:20:07.820 Like, it's – and then those milquetoast people that you do reach, even if there's more of them, what do they do?

00:20:12.040 Like, they're still milquetoast people that don't want to go out and do anything.

00:20:16.040 Right.

00:20:16.380 Right.

00:20:16.760 I mean, and that's a core part.

00:20:18.140 Like, you have to find people, maybe not exactly like me, but in this – at least in this characteristic, they're like, like, I'm willing to be libertarian.

00:20:26.980 I'm willing to be that guy who goes one against 100 and be like, no, this is right, you know?

00:20:32.460 And so, like, if you're going to get something going – I mean, look at how has the culture and the society and the government, you know, essentially moved left and larger for the last 100, 200 years.

00:20:45.720 It's because, like, these people are not ashamed.

00:20:48.060 They unequivocally say, you know, this is what we want, and they ultimately pull people towards them.

00:20:52.840 And so you need to be, you know, activating and selecting for these kinds of people who will be unequivocally libertarian and who will continue to pull forward.

00:21:01.280 But, like, I mean – but to answer another part of it, like, you know, part of the reason I am such – and I am going to keep showing the Free State Project.

00:21:08.860 Like, it's, like – it's essentially, like, the idea of, like, let's establish a libertarian homeland.

00:21:14.540 Like, it's not this utopian idea.

00:21:17.700 And I really – I kind of – I mean, I understand –

00:21:20.600 Unless you encounter bears, right?

00:21:24.220 Okay.

00:21:24.700 Dude, let's talk about that.

00:21:25.820 You mean fat gay guys?

00:21:27.460 What are you talking about?

00:21:29.920 That book, which people bring up, that was a cathedral hit piece, okay?

00:21:35.380 That was precisely designed and engineered because we are winning, right?

00:21:43.180 Like, they wrote this whole book about this one particular area of New Hampshire and about how libertarians ruined it.

00:21:48.360 Well, guess what?

00:21:49.300 That area of New Hampshire elected two Free Staters to the state legislature just this last year.

00:21:54.860 Like, this notion that Free Staters are somehow disliked in New Hampshire, it's a lie.

00:21:59.780 There's 45 of them that were elected just in 2020.

00:22:03.080 Like, it's crazy how popular libertarianism is in New Hampshire.

00:22:08.240 I'm not saying we're all the way there.

00:22:09.280 There's a lot – there's certainly, like, plenty more to be done.

00:22:12.620 But, like, the people here are largely receptive to it.

00:22:16.060 And instead of this utopian idea that, like, oh, we're going to get everyone to believe what we think, we're going to set the whole world free.

00:22:25.000 It's just – I mean, it's – I don't want to, like, attack them too much because, like, it's a nice idea.

00:22:29.840 But, like, at the end of the day, it's, like, it's retarded in my opinion.

00:22:33.600 And it's so much more feasible to say, look, we believe this.

00:22:39.120 There's enough of us.

00:22:40.640 We deserve a space.

00:22:42.000 The earth is so big.

00:22:44.420 It's so big.

00:22:45.680 Like, we can't have five square miles.

00:22:48.320 We can't have some area to be able to live according to our values.

00:22:52.020 Like, I'm pretty anti-identity politics, but I'm actually pro-libertarian identity politics.

00:22:58.020 Like, we need to accept that we have our own identity.

00:23:00.720 Like, we are oppressed.

00:23:02.560 We are oppressed people.

00:23:04.680 Like, and this is another part of it where it's, like, you know, the left claims to be these sympathetic people who recognize, oh, everyone's different and people have different things.

00:23:11.460 It's like, okay, well, libertarians are different.

00:23:13.160 And you might have thought lockdowns weren't that bad, but as a libertarian, they were so bad.

00:23:21.000 They were so offensive.

00:23:22.800 They crushed our soul.

00:23:24.720 They made us cry, even though we don't cry that much.

00:23:27.220 Like, they're, you know, they're really bad things.

00:23:30.680 And that's our subjective experience.

00:23:33.360 And your subjective experience might not have matched ours in the same way that, like, with homosexuals or any other minority that battled for acceptance.

00:23:41.320 It's like, libertarians need to be battling for acceptance.

00:23:44.280 They don't need to be chasing the minority.

00:23:46.080 They need to be battling for acceptance.

00:23:47.480 They need to be saying, this is real.

00:23:49.860 We believe this.

00:23:50.960 We really believe these things.

00:23:52.440 We're not embarrassed about it.

00:23:54.080 And we deserve to be able to live the way that we want to.

00:23:57.600 And, like, there's a, well, I was going to say, like, with the Free State Project, it's like, if you truly believe in libertarianism, then you will believe that the Free State Project will work because it's founded on libertarian principles.

00:24:09.460 And then we can show people that this works.

00:24:12.580 But if, like, if you're a libertarian, you're like, no, that doesn't work.

00:24:16.040 It doesn't work to do that.

00:24:17.200 Then why are you even a libertarian to begin with?

00:24:19.360 Like, you're not.

00:24:20.860 I don't even care about the second step.

00:24:23.080 Like, my opinion is that, like, a lot of people like democracy and like the way that, you know, American society works.

00:24:32.600 So, like, and, like, I like it.

00:24:35.700 Right.

00:24:36.500 They can have it.

00:24:37.140 Like, there's that classic, like, Rothbard-Friedman debate.

00:24:41.440 You know, do you hate the state?

00:24:42.960 Would you press this button to destroy the state?

00:24:45.960 And I actually love both Rothbard and Friedman.

00:24:49.500 And it's like, I would push the button to destroy the state in some area, but I actually would not push the button to destroy the state across America.

00:24:57.820 It's clear that a lot of people love it, and so it would be, like, rude of me to take it away from them.

00:25:04.040 It would be them to not give us a space.

00:25:08.060 We deserve one, right?

00:25:09.940 We deserve to be able to live the way that we want to live.

00:25:12.080 But, you know, like, other people clearly don't like it.

00:25:16.660 The Libertarian Party has been around for 50 years.

00:25:19.300 This idea that we're going to hit on some new way of presenting libertarianism and all of a sudden people are going to love it, it's just fucking insanity, you know?

00:25:27.160 And that's part of why this stuff causes people such a problem.

00:25:31.980 And this is, you know, it really is.

00:25:33.820 It's the heart of why this messaging caused people such a problem.

00:25:36.040 It's like there are a bunch of libertarians who believe these things, who simultaneously recognize that they're embarrassing, right, who recognize that to other people they're not going to like this.

00:25:47.200 And it's cognitive dissonance that is triggering this reaction because they see this message and they're like, I agree with it, but I understand that it's offensive, and so they don't want it to be said, right?

00:25:56.580 The prags, the libertarian prags, right, like, they're – and they're not wrong, but they understand implicitly that a lot of libertarian philosophy is embarrassing to most people, right?

00:26:08.920 And that's why they say, well, let's hide it.

00:26:14.360 Let's hide what libertarians believe so that we can get more votes, right?

00:26:18.880 I think there's something you said here that really is ringing true to me right now.

00:26:22.180 Like, I think the key is we need to normalize being an anarchist, a libertarian, whatever, like fighting for acceptance.

00:26:28.860 Like, when your friends ask you what you believe, I don't think you should be the annoying person that's like the CrossFitter that everyone knows CrossFits.

00:26:35.640 But I think you should be – if they ask you, well, what do you think we should do with the government?

00:26:39.420 I'm like, well, I don't think there should be one.

00:26:40.560 And I don't think you should be – you should hide from it.

00:26:43.320 I also don't think you should be annoying about it, but just like a matter of fact.

00:26:47.840 And don't hide from your fucking beliefs.

00:26:49.820 And that way we can normalize it.

00:26:51.580 We're always complaining about how the radical – like the left is taken over and all that.

00:26:55.540 They didn't do it with milquetoast messaging either.

00:26:58.120 Like they will post immediately online that if you're white, you're racist.

00:27:02.880 And they're just like, well, that's what we believe, and fuck you if you don't like it.

00:27:08.040 And guess what?

00:27:09.020 They have – their people are super radicalized because of them.

00:27:13.100 Like we don't need people to agree with us.

00:27:15.220 We just need to normalize it.

00:27:16.400 That's it, really.

00:27:17.580 You know?

00:27:18.180 Exactly.

00:27:18.800 Like we should not – so my stance is like we should not apologize for believing what we should believe.

00:27:25.400 Not in the slightest.

00:27:26.200 We should say explicitly what it is.

00:27:28.160 We shouldn't apologize.

00:27:28.900 At the same time, we shouldn't say that disagreeing with us makes you a bad person, right?

00:27:34.840 Because even in a – and this is another aspect, and this is something I think libertarians can also get wrong at times, right?

00:27:39.900 Because there's this – libertarians will frequently advance society, and it's one I very much believe.

00:27:43.680 Oh, well, if society was libertarian, you could build all these other things on top of it, right?

00:27:49.940 Oh, if you're a – in a libertarian society, you could be socialist, right?

00:27:54.500 You could build your socialist utopia on top of libertarianism, right?

00:28:00.280 But like libertarians don't actually spend very much time explaining the second part, right?

00:28:04.460 Like they mostly have disdain for –

00:28:08.500 That's when they bring up helicopter rides, right?

00:28:11.840 In a libertarian society, we'll have helicopter rides, and you'll be dead.

00:28:15.920 Sorry.

00:28:16.740 Yeah, right.

00:28:17.280 And so it's like –

00:28:17.880 Not nice ones.

00:28:18.720 And so with that second step, like that second step is recognizing that other people really like a lot of this stuff.

00:28:26.700 They like it.

00:28:27.360 They like the state.

00:28:28.220 They like – like I find democracy like repugnant.

00:28:31.740 I think it's disgusting, right?

00:28:33.480 A lot of people like it, right?

00:28:35.460 So it's like I don't want to take democracy away from you.

00:28:38.280 You like it.

00:28:39.060 That would be rude.

00:28:39.820 It would be rude.

00:28:40.380 I don't want to take it away from you.

00:28:41.540 I don't like it.

00:28:42.700 Can I have a space where it doesn't exist, right?

00:28:44.800 Like people are like terrified of being ruled by a corporation.

00:28:48.140 I'm like could I please be ruled by a corporation?

00:28:50.200 I mean I prefer like maybe something of pure anarchy maybe.

00:28:53.260 I don't know.

00:28:53.680 I'm open-minded.

00:28:54.640 But like I would literally prefer to be ruled by a corporation than by democracy.

00:28:58.280 Like corporation is above – in my hierarchy.

00:29:00.600 Like maybe pure anarchy works.

00:29:02.200 I love the idea of the experiment.

00:29:03.840 But like corporation above democracy, 100 percent, right?

00:29:07.580 Like Chipotle and McDonald's treat me way better than the federal government does, right?

00:29:11.760 Like so it's like if we can at least get closer to that, like that's better, you know?

00:29:16.080 I never thought about this too because it's like – it would be like us going up to somebody that's taking heroin.

00:29:20.440 We're like this is really bad for you.

00:29:22.040 No, you can't have it.

00:29:23.420 It's like they like it.

00:29:24.680 Just let them like – if they like democracy, let them have it.

00:29:27.780 Whatever.

00:29:28.460 It doesn't mean you have to have democracy.

00:29:30.440 It doesn't mean you have to have heroin.

00:29:32.120 Like –

00:29:32.460 I'm in the chat saying, can I have a space where the age of consent doesn't exist?

00:29:39.240 Jeremy Kaufman, I'm sorry.

00:29:41.200 If you're too smooth-brained to understand the theory, maybe you should fuck off somewhere else.

00:29:44.500 We don't know.

00:29:45.200 No, no.

00:29:46.520 No.

00:29:47.620 I'm not trying to be dismissive of people.

00:29:50.840 I don't even have like the strongest theory.

00:29:54.100 I think most people have like very reductive concepts.

00:29:57.400 Like I don't see – like why is it 18?

00:30:00.320 Like I'm not – it's so fucking stupid to even have to do these.

00:30:04.000 Keep going, Jeremy.

00:30:04.660 Come on.

00:30:05.000 Why is it 18?

00:30:06.980 Why is it 17?

00:30:08.380 Why is it 19?

00:30:09.280 Why is it 20?

00:30:10.440 I mean no.

00:30:11.000 I mean like I'm serious.

00:30:11.760 Like what's the reason?

00:30:13.060 Why is it 18?

00:30:13.880 Why is it 6 million?

00:30:14.840 Why not 5 million, 9,000?

00:30:16.940 Why is it 30?

00:30:18.680 This is a big reason why I liked Sterner a lot, my reading of Sterner, because it goes

00:30:24.540 more into like subjectivity and it's kind of the idea of like the whole – it solves

00:30:28.320 the whole age of consent thing because it's like the whole might makes right thing to

00:30:31.560 some extent.

00:30:32.300 Like the age of consent is whatever.

00:30:34.100 I will shoot you in the fucking – in the face if you fucking do it.

00:30:36.600 That's what the age of consent is.

00:30:38.060 Pretty much.

00:30:39.360 Well, so I mean – so it's funny.

00:30:42.420 A lot of the like libertarian right like loves Rothbard, right?

00:30:46.900 And I like Rothbard and I'm not sure if I love him, but I like him.

00:30:51.800 And one of my trolls that I like to do is most of the libertarian right that like likes

00:30:56.700 Rothbard is not familiar with Rothbard's opinions on children.

00:31:01.460 No, they're not.

00:31:03.120 And so it's like I love bringing up – well, do you know what Rothbard said here?

00:31:06.600 Because Rothbard said – and I don't even think – I mean I think it's a potentially

00:31:10.000 correct view.

00:31:11.340 Rothbard said children are parents' property, right?

00:31:14.940 And so –

00:31:15.320 A market for children is what he said.

00:31:16.900 Well, that's – there's that whole – I actually wasn't even going to go in that

00:31:19.420 direction.

00:31:21.220 But Rothbard said children are parents' property.

00:31:23.980 At a certain point, they can declare independence from their parents and then they're adults,

00:31:29.720 right?

00:31:29.940 And so there's certain steps that they can take at which point they're individuals and

00:31:33.640 they have the full rights of individuals separate from their parents.

00:31:36.580 And until they take those steps, parents own their children and their children are the

00:31:41.260 property.

00:31:41.400 Like, I mean, look, and I'm a father.

00:31:44.220 I have three young boys.

00:31:46.640 And it's like they do kind of feel like my property, right?

00:31:50.240 Like they're not people.

00:31:52.100 They can't make decisions for themselves, right?

00:31:54.380 Like I'm going to violate their rights on a regular basis if they were fully functioning

00:32:00.040 adults.

00:32:00.940 And so it's like, well, okay, so that seems like relatively true when they're children.

00:32:05.120 And I'm not saying – obviously, the idea of like people being property is offensive,

00:32:10.100 but it's like I don't want anyone else to have a say in how I raise them.

00:32:14.300 I don't think the state should have a say.

00:32:15.520 I don't think my fucking neighbor should have a say.

00:32:17.500 I don't think anyone should have a say that I don't consent to having a say, right?

00:32:21.500 And so you've got to – but then at the same time, I also recognize that at a certain

00:32:26.660 point my children – I don't have a say, right?

00:32:30.320 Because then they're individuals, right?

00:32:32.800 And then they're their own people, and I don't have a say with them.

00:32:35.760 But clearly when they're three, I'm going to stop them from crossing the street, and

00:32:38.880 I'm not going to let them eat certain things, and I'm going to do all kinds of things that

00:32:42.240 I wouldn't do to you if you were a fully functioning adult.

00:32:46.060 So it's like I don't think it's the craziest idea, but a lot of the populist libertarian

00:32:53.160 hates – doesn't even like it, so it's a fun thing to bring up with them to introduce

00:32:59.020 these concepts.

00:32:59.740 I don't know.

00:33:00.700 I mean I would say that there's probably room for neighbors to intervene or something

00:33:05.160 though if you're abusing children or something like that.

00:33:09.140 Yeah.

00:33:09.400 In my stance, I have two girls.

00:33:11.340 So if someone tried to babble me about how aging consent is nonsense, I don't care.

00:33:15.760 I'm going to – you're still getting the shoddy.

00:33:18.200 I don't know what to tell you.

00:33:19.400 But that's because they're your girls, right?

00:33:22.600 Like that's not – because they're yours, right?

00:33:24.900 Like they've effectively assaulted you.

00:33:28.040 And when I say that they're property, I don't mean that they're not living things.

00:33:31.560 You have dogs or property other – and they're obviously above dogs, right?

00:33:34.600 Like they're – what I'm saying is that like they're –

00:33:37.500 Some children are bitches.

00:33:38.600 Yeah.

00:33:39.260 Yeah.

00:33:39.640 Yeah.

00:33:39.920 No, like that's an offense.

00:33:40.900 It's like – and the reason is that they didn't have the right to consent because they're

00:33:44.080 not, you know, full adults and full individuals.

00:33:47.120 They haven't asserted independence from you.

00:33:50.940 And so there is a violation that is happening there.

00:33:53.300 I'm not trying to excuse these kinds of things.

00:33:55.800 It's absolutely a violation and an offense happening there, right?

00:33:59.840 I mean at the same time, and I'm not trying to be provocative, like when I was 13, 14,

00:34:06.760 I probably would have had sex with like almost any woman, right?

00:34:09.400 And I don't feel – any woman.

00:34:11.340 I mean I was so horny, right?

00:34:12.880 It's like –

00:34:13.900 Oh, my God.

00:34:15.140 And I'm not –

00:34:16.520 Oh, I know.

00:34:17.620 And I was a mature person.

00:34:19.620 Honestly, I knew more at 13 or 14 than most fully educated people that could vote knew,

00:34:25.560 right?

00:34:25.880 Like I was a smart kid.

00:34:26.920 I was responsible.

00:34:28.260 I was just jacking off all the time.

00:34:29.800 Yeah.

00:34:30.280 Right.

00:34:30.780 And so it's like I absolutely would have had sex with my teachers, some of them, most of them.

00:34:37.700 Even the men.

00:34:38.960 Men, young men, women.

00:34:39.780 Especially the men.

00:34:40.920 Right.

00:34:41.740 Right.

00:34:42.420 Right.

00:34:42.740 And I also am sympathetic to the fact that men and women may be different in this regard.

00:34:47.100 Just how we regard it might not be the same thing.

00:34:49.380 But it's like there's certainly a part of me that remembers that.

00:34:52.740 And if someone said, Jeremy, you're not allowed to do that other than my parents, I would have

00:34:56.980 been like, fuck you.

00:34:57.760 I want to put my dick in this 35-year-old teacher.

00:35:01.960 There's no manipulation that has to be done with a 13-year-old.

00:35:05.580 Like I feel like for me, like I don't know.

00:35:07.220 I just feel like a younger girl.

00:35:08.640 There's some sort of weird like manipulation and shitty shit that's going on.

00:35:12.920 With a 13-year-old, you're like, you want to fucking slam my meat wallet?

00:35:15.820 They're like, yes.

00:35:18.280 Look, I agree.

00:35:19.080 I think having sex with 13-year-old women is gross.

00:35:22.520 I think it's disgusting, right?

00:35:23.780 Like I don't know.

00:35:24.280 I know there's not something I've taken to.

00:35:26.300 Well, they're not women, but yeah.

00:35:28.860 Well, sorry.

00:35:29.500 Women.

00:35:29.880 Girls.

00:35:30.520 Yes.

00:35:31.200 I think it's funny because I'd like train myself out of like calling women girls because

00:35:38.200 you're not supposed to do that.

00:35:39.200 And so like that same kind of like substitution effect, I ended up applying it there.

00:35:45.660 But yeah, like I don't know, man.

00:35:47.400 And it's like I'm someone who likes probing boundaries and understanding like nuance and

00:35:53.320 the frontier of things.

00:35:54.480 And it's just like a lot of people don't have a mindset for it.

00:35:57.660 And so like even exploring it causes them problems.

00:36:00.980 And it's like, okay, fine.

00:36:02.280 Like don't engage with me.

00:36:03.200 Like I'm not, you know, when it's some of this, because most of the stuff that people

00:36:06.600 have a problem with me with, it's like, it's under my own personal account.

00:36:09.220 It's not under like official handles and other things.

00:36:11.920 It's like, okay, well, like this is me.

00:36:14.480 I'm comfortable with this.

00:36:15.620 Go, go away.

00:36:17.200 Like I want to do this in my own space.

00:36:18.860 I'm not, I'm not going to go do it to people, but like, I want to be able to talk about these

00:36:22.860 things because I like, you know, understanding things and how they work.

00:36:27.980 I don't know.

00:36:28.940 I don't know.

00:36:29.140 This is how I didn't go here.

00:36:31.060 Rothbardian is in the chat.

00:36:32.400 She said, just call us cunts.

00:36:35.500 And again.

00:36:37.360 I also saw a pregnant retard was in the chat also.

00:36:40.380 So shout out to the podcast.

00:36:40.840 Oh, hello.

00:36:42.780 I just think like us libertarians, we're so common to being such fucking binary thinkers

00:36:48.220 that anytime there's anything that has any level of subjectivity, we go fucking retard

00:36:52.560 mode.

00:36:53.240 And it's just like, it doesn't make sense to so many of them.

00:36:55.400 And that's why I suggest all the time, read shit like Sterner or different people who

00:36:59.020 explore that realm.

00:37:00.400 Cause there, it's so much easier to be like, well then, you know, like say with the age

00:37:03.940 of consent, it's kind of like, okay, well, where's the age of consent?

00:37:06.600 The age of consent is where you won't get fucked up if you do it.

00:37:09.180 Like, okay.

00:37:09.680 Like you're going to get really fucked up.

00:37:11.220 If you start fucking 13 year olds in the Encapistan, I don't know what to tell you.

00:37:15.920 Exactly.

00:37:17.640 Yeah.

00:37:18.520 Yeah.

00:37:19.020 I mean, if you want to talk about a philosophy even less popular than anarcho-capitalism or

00:37:24.440 libertarianism, you might talk about egoism and individualist anarchism.

00:37:29.580 But, but no, I'm, I'm, I'm sympathetic to these philosophies as well.

00:37:32.900 And I think there's some, I think there's a lot to be learned for sure.

00:37:34.960 Whether you agree with it or not.

00:37:36.040 And that's, especially with subjectivity, I think that's a great place to learn.

00:37:39.700 And I feel like egoist rights kind of describe what is, whereas natural rights to some extent

00:37:45.540 describe what ought to be.

00:37:47.560 So like, they kind of like, cause egoist rights are like, you know, when it comes to property,

00:37:50.920 like, well, property is what I have and you don't fuck with me for.

00:37:53.960 Like if I have this thing and you don't fuck with me, it's mine.

00:37:56.240 It's like, I don't know what to tell you.

00:37:57.740 Yeah.

00:37:58.280 Yeah.

00:37:58.480 But I mean, it's interesting because, so that access is sort of like individualism versus,

00:38:04.160 versus collectivism or I don't even know if that's sort of access.

00:38:06.860 It's more like egoism versus whatever the opposite of egoism would be, which I don't

00:38:11.320 think is necessarily collectivism, but that's an, that's another axis where it's like similar

00:38:16.140 to the libertarianism one, like people fall along a spectrum and they can be exposed.

00:38:20.820 So, I mean, there's some people, they read Sterner, they read.

00:38:23.240 We're all definitely on the spectrum.

00:38:24.580 Yeah.

00:38:24.980 Well, this is a different spectrum.

00:38:27.240 I'm on all kinds of spectrum.

00:38:30.260 Especially the gay one.

00:38:31.940 Yeah.

00:38:32.420 The gay spectrum.

00:38:33.640 Yeah.

00:38:34.580 Yeah.

00:38:36.740 God, I just avoided saying something that I didn't need to be clipped.

00:38:41.060 Ace is here too.

00:38:42.280 Hello, Ace.

00:38:43.580 Hello, Ace.

00:38:44.280 This is a much more like Ace conversation than our usual TPH conversations.

00:38:48.920 I know.

00:38:49.160 We're usually talking about dicks and ass.

00:38:50.780 What the fuck's going on?

00:38:51.820 Ace, give me the objective age of consent.

00:38:56.580 Ace, give me a Twitter thread on age of consent.

00:38:59.260 Now.

00:38:59.840 Go.

00:39:00.360 You already answered that, man.

00:39:01.600 And I kind of think that there's like, maybe there's even more of a problem if it's like a, like a 13 year old boy getting into that situation or something because they're going to like fuck everything and not understand the consequences.

00:39:11.360 So, I mean, I do see issues with that for sure.

00:39:14.800 All right.

00:39:15.060 Let's move on fast age of consent.

00:39:18.520 But we're libertarians.

00:39:19.700 I did want to get, so Jeremy, when you, when you now on your personal account and on like the, the Twitter, like one, how do you like go different on each one or do you like go the fucking same?

00:39:31.500 And is it just kind of like, you just think of something in your head and you're just like, all right, that was a good one.

00:39:35.340 I'm going.

00:39:36.140 Oh, it's, it's very different.

00:39:37.660 Um, so I tried to like have a conception of what that brand or identity.

00:39:44.020 So with my personal account, it's kind of what you said is let's fucking go, but like, cause I don't care.

00:39:49.340 Cause I don't care.

00:39:49.740 Cause like I'm interested in like meeting and interacting with other people that I'm going to be like sympathetic to and find interesting.

00:39:56.520 Right.

00:39:56.880 Like my personal account is I'm not, I'm not trying to fucking accrue followers.

00:40:02.100 I don't care.

00:40:03.120 I, if you don't like the things that I'm saying, unfollow me, I'd rather have interactions that I find like interesting or pleasant or whatever.

00:40:12.380 And so it's like, I'm not, I'm not someone who is trying to maximize their follower account.

00:40:17.860 Right.

00:40:18.060 And so in fact, sometimes I say shit on purpose to like drive people away because I've occasionally had tweets.

00:40:24.940 Like I had a couple of tweets that went like viral in like mega verse and I picked up like 500 followers and it's like, I don't, you know, half of these, some of them might be cool, but like half of them shouldn't be here.

00:40:37.200 And, and so like, I don't want you here.

00:40:39.660 I'm not trying to have the number be as high as possible.

00:40:41.960 That's not the goal.

00:40:42.760 I'm trying to interact with the kinds of people that I enjoy interacting with.

00:40:46.760 They'll just unfollow you one tweet later anyway.

00:40:49.460 Exactly.

00:40:49.860 Well, no, literally like when I had like mega viral tweets, I like make sure that my next tweets, like something that like magos won't like, you know, cause I'm like, you shouldn't, this isn't where you need to be.

00:41:01.140 You got to the wrong place.

00:41:04.500 So, so that's different.

00:41:05.940 So my personal account is me and I try to be like pretty raw, that kind of thing.

00:41:12.400 Talk about bell curve and shit.

00:41:15.520 Yeah.

00:41:16.640 Yeah.

00:41:17.560 I'm all for it.

00:41:18.560 Look, I don't, I don't, I actually think that's a pretty important idea for libertarians to understand, or you might come to different conclusions.

00:41:26.720 There's a reason why the Jews run the world.

00:41:30.900 I actually said something like that in the, uh, in the chat today.

00:41:34.820 I was just like, um, if, if Jews did, if Jews did run the world, would it look any different than what we have now?

00:41:42.260 So, uh, but on the other accounts, like I try to have a considered a little bit more of a considered strategy and approach.

00:41:52.780 Like certainly with the LP accounts, like I want to represent the libertarian party.

00:41:57.240 So I've tried either, you know, it needs to either very clearly be a joke or it needs to be consistent with the platform.

00:42:04.780 And I, you know, I'm not, I'm not using those to, to do anything other than that.

00:42:09.100 Um, and so like, and I try to think about what does that brand, what does that entity, you know, want, what does it need?

00:42:15.240 And I try to be, you know, sending out, sending out messages that would be, be appropriate for that, you know?

00:42:20.800 Um, so, yeah.

00:42:22.920 Now, so were you watching like LPKY and LP Connecticut and like their Twitters and like saying like, okay, they are like killing it right now.

00:42:31.220 I can do this in New Hampshire.

00:42:32.520 I can, was that already your thought before?

00:42:34.700 Did you see them in like, okay, it does work.

00:42:36.980 Uh, I had been following both those accounts for some time.

00:42:39.980 I think they're, um, I think they're great accounts and, uh, you know, I love, I love, I love what they're doing.

00:42:45.820 Um, I think that, and so I'm not going to say that I didn't take some inspiration from them.

00:42:51.880 I, I, I probably, I mean, inspiration, it's a funny thing.

00:42:54.800 Yeah.

00:42:55.140 It's like, you know, it's like, I'm, I'm, I'm an entrepreneur.

00:42:57.980 I'm ostensibly an inventor, but like so much of it comes from like what other people have, have said.

00:43:04.080 And you get this, I, I feel that I have a lot of like moments of inspiration, like where it's like,

00:43:09.380 Oh, like, I, and I don't even know, you know, these things just pop into your head.

00:43:13.620 It's difficult to, you know, it's not, they're not like in this like top down logical process.

00:43:18.300 I can think that way, but when it comes to something that I'm tweeting, like, it's almost,

00:43:22.320 it's like, just pops into your head, you know?

00:43:24.700 Um, and a lot of them, you don't say, um, some of them you do say, um, that, you know,

00:43:30.180 I do try to have a strategy about it.

00:43:31.900 Um, and I'm sure, so like, I'm sure because I followed them that they influenced me.

00:43:36.680 Right.

00:43:36.880 Like, I'm sure when I had that thing pop into my head that like part of that came from,

00:43:41.880 you know, reading their accounts and certainly a good number of things that I tweet come

00:43:47.680 from reading something that someone else, um, you know, someone else tweeted.

00:43:51.400 Yeah.

00:43:53.140 Forrest Mommy asked that, I don't know if you want to, if you want to answer that, if you

00:43:56.160 guys have, like, if you're doing it on Facebook as well, or are you just doing it on Twitter?

00:43:59.520 I was just doing Twitter.

00:44:00.920 I don't, I mean, Facebook is like far less addictive to me.

00:44:03.820 Like, so like I like Twitter and that's another reason I said that I would do the LP and H

00:44:08.200 tweets, which is like, I'm already on Twitter, like probably more than I should be.

00:44:12.660 And so it's like, well, if I have something that's appropriate for LP and H to say that

00:44:17.480 pops into my head now, I can just say it cause I'm logged in.

00:44:19.760 Right.

00:44:20.000 And so like, again, like there's not, I don't, this is something that I think, cause I've

00:44:26.720 had this conversation with other people like, you know, can we have a marketing calendar,

00:44:30.380 you know, and we'll plan what we're going to say.

00:44:31.860 I'm like, no, actually like 90% of what I say, I thought of 30 seconds before I said

00:44:37.100 it, you know, like it's not, it's not, it's not this like carefully considered, considered

00:44:43.960 thing, you know?

00:44:45.320 And that's how that works too though.

00:44:46.540 Yeah.

00:44:46.780 I mean, you don't just have like, be like, well, wait, we're going to have a fucking

00:44:49.400 meeting and we're going to fucking put out our fucking message.

00:44:52.500 And that's how you get this bullshit, like political messaging, you know?

00:44:55.280 Yeah.

00:44:56.060 Yeah.

00:44:56.260 I mean, that's how creativity works and we talk to any artist and I do think, you

00:45:00.020 know, Twitter is art by the way.

00:45:02.560 Yeah.

00:45:03.320 Yeah.

00:45:03.640 And so since Gilletta, since Twitter is art, you know, Gilletta, Gilletta and the LP and

00:45:10.240 H, the people who facilitated the LP and H Q, the 612 Q, I mean, that's like, that's

00:45:16.520 like destroying, you know, all that art in Iraq and these other places.

00:45:21.220 I mean, they, they destroyed works of art.

00:45:24.840 I mean, they, they went through and they deleted all your, like those, those tweets,

00:45:28.060 didn't they?

00:45:28.540 They did.

00:45:29.400 Yeah.

00:45:30.440 Well, so was that just like, were you just like chilling and then all of a sudden you

00:45:34.320 like got like a text or something like, or did you try to log in and it just like,

00:45:37.480 didn't log in anymore or something?

00:45:38.840 Like, how does that, what the fuck is going on?

00:45:42.100 I got a, yeah, I got a text from Eric Sawyer who also runs the account, who runs the account

00:45:47.840 with me and, and is also responsible for, you know, a lot of the messaging deserves credit

00:45:53.840 for a lot of the messaging.

00:45:55.380 And he's like, he sent me a text and it was like, Hey, can you log exactly shitposting

00:46:01.760 and, uh, uh, so like, can you log in?

00:46:08.940 Yeah.

00:46:09.640 And so, you know, it was just, we, that's how we noticed.

00:46:13.020 Eric noticed first.

00:46:14.820 No, shitposting is an art form.

00:46:16.560 It's an art, that's not, that's entirely.

00:46:17.940 Yeah, CK is correct.

00:46:19.180 Now, would you, now, would you say what you were doing was shitposting on the LP&H?

00:46:22.160 Because I know some people said that's what was the problem was you were shitposting.

00:46:26.400 And I saw someone else said in the chat was just like, I didn't like his, like, it was

00:46:31.320 like, I didn't like Jeremy, the way he said that he was, or his rationale for it, for not

00:46:34.940 for shitposting or something like that.

00:46:36.440 But I didn't, I didn't even know if it was shitposting.

00:46:38.900 Yeah.

00:46:39.200 So, I mean, it, it's, uh, it kind of depends on, on, on what, um, you mean by, by shitposting.

00:46:46.080 Right.

00:46:46.320 So like, to me for something to be a shitpost, it has to be, it's not sufficient for it to

00:46:51.120 just be provocative.

00:46:52.000 It has to be kind of like off topic or deliberately wrong or deliberately something.

00:46:57.540 So like, to me, the, like repeal the civil rights, the, yeah, yeah.

00:47:01.940 Repeal the civil rights act.

00:47:04.120 You know, that was a substantive policy position.

00:47:06.980 Like a lot of Republicans hate wokeness.

00:47:10.140 These are, this is the real way to solve it.

00:47:12.820 Was it designed to be provocative?

00:47:14.740 No question.

00:47:15.860 Was it a shitpost?

00:47:16.940 I would say it's not because there's a substantive position being expressed.

00:47:21.240 I think a shitpost is something like, you know, libertarian party has revised its position

00:47:26.620 on Gitmo because we have to send all the Anthony Fauci and all the government.

00:47:31.100 That I think is a shit.

00:47:32.280 I think I would accept that that's a shitpost.

00:47:34.300 I don't think repeal the civil rights act.

00:47:36.320 And I would actually argue the child labor one.

00:47:38.360 I don't think I don't, I, to me, how I think of a shitpost, and again, we may have all have

00:47:42.760 our own definitions.

00:47:43.440 I don't think those are shitposts because they were, there was a real message there.

00:47:49.220 Whereas like the Fauci one, you know, that is a shitpost.

00:47:52.520 The same with the John McCain one.

00:47:54.440 That's, I, I, I think it's, it, those are probably shitposts.

00:47:58.000 Yeah.

00:47:58.040 Dude, that was, that was.

00:47:58.960 Conkin calls for fucking politicians to be sent to work camp.

00:48:03.360 So, I mean, is it really that bad to say go to Gitmo?

00:48:05.860 Like, I don't give a fuck.

00:48:07.200 No, I mean, I think it's.

00:48:07.780 Well, the thing I was always like, I can't remember, I can't remember who said it was

00:48:12.140 like, it might have been Dave, but it was like, our, our policy is to get rid of Gitmo.

00:48:18.760 Just like, okay, well, I mean, it's like, if we were, if we are having Gitmo, who would

00:48:23.120 be the best people to send there?

00:48:24.560 The fucking politicians that like put you in lockdown for a year.

00:48:27.880 I think that would be the best place for it.

00:48:29.780 I hate that response so much.

00:48:32.460 Which Dave said our policy is to get rid of Gitmo?

00:48:35.080 I think it was Dave Smith.

00:48:35.980 I can't, I don't quote me, but I want to.

00:48:38.540 No way.

00:48:39.400 It was something like, it had to have been.

00:48:41.740 I remember seeing it.

00:48:43.040 It was somebody that I had.

00:48:45.040 Like, look, and it was a little surprising to me.

00:48:47.980 Although I can also understand that, that Dave Smith didn't like some of the posts.

00:48:52.900 It's tough for me to like, combine that with, you know, like there, there's this, there's

00:49:03.680 a push for Michael Malice to run LP Twitter.

00:49:06.940 I'm 100% in favor.

00:49:08.920 Could not be more than in favor.

00:49:10.960 But like sending Fauci and the governors to Gitmo is like, that's literally, I mean, that's,

00:49:16.480 we didn't have that idea.

00:49:17.500 We stole that from Malice, right?

00:49:19.020 Like, we're just.

00:49:20.300 Right.

00:49:20.740 It's become a meme basically.

00:49:22.420 Yeah.

00:49:23.080 Yeah, I did.

00:49:23.680 I remember it.

00:49:24.440 I told you, like he did say our platform is to get rid of Gitmo yesterday.

00:49:27.680 I remember that.

00:49:28.040 Cause I'd seen, it was a response to, I think it was your said Fauci to Gitmo tweet or whatever

00:49:33.060 it was.

00:49:33.400 I, it was some response on Twitter and it was just some like milquetoast libertarian.

00:49:38.000 I hope it was faketarian.

00:49:39.260 I hope it was faketarian.

00:49:40.280 It might've been faketarian.

00:49:41.360 I don't know.

00:49:41.580 That'd be really funny if faketarian and Dave Smith are on the same on this.

00:49:45.840 By the way, should I go on the faketarian podcast?

00:49:49.360 They, they invited me.

00:49:50.440 I was thinking that.

00:49:51.180 They invited you?

00:49:52.220 They invited me.

00:49:52.920 Yeah.

00:49:53.340 Oh God.

00:49:53.700 I guess you should 100% go on there.

00:49:55.360 Yeah.

00:49:55.640 I thought that I should go on.

00:49:57.920 Because I want to say that, um, Archie gets, comes on there.

00:50:01.920 Fucking, um, Nick Sart goes on there.

00:50:04.600 Yeah.

00:50:05.440 Like all these guys go on.

00:50:06.560 You definitely should go on the faketarians.

00:50:08.480 Yeah.

00:50:09.400 I'll be right.

00:50:10.440 I'll be right back.

00:50:11.560 Apparently we have a cat trap somewhere.

00:50:13.260 So I'll be right back.

00:50:15.020 Jose, go, go, go get your pussy.

00:50:17.280 Yeah.

00:50:19.240 We all know that.

00:50:20.400 Jose is swimming in pussy all the time.

00:50:22.540 Yeah.

00:50:22.800 I don't, I don't know.

00:50:23.700 It's, it, it was like, and I have a lot of respect for Dave Smith and maybe we'll have

00:50:28.460 a conversation at some point.

00:50:30.320 I imagine I'll have a conversation with him at pork fest next week about this, but like,

00:50:34.260 cause it is a little bit difficult for him to, for me to reconcile because like the, and

00:50:39.200 Dave Smith is my favorite.

00:50:40.140 If you're asking for me, who do, who do I want to be the LP national nominee?

00:50:43.620 I'd pick Dave Smith or anyone that I've seen.

00:50:46.400 Um, and so it's like, you know, he's saying like, be bold, don't apologize.

00:50:50.440 He's embracing malice.

00:50:51.840 And like, you know, I feel like most of what we were doing, Hey, you want to say we didn't

00:50:56.220 execute on it perfectly.

00:50:57.380 I'm, I'm, I'm happy to have a conversation about how, how we can improve, but it's like

00:51:01.200 a lot of it, I think was in line.

00:51:02.900 We were saying things that were unequivocally libertarian.

00:51:05.040 They may have been unpopular, but they're unequivocally libertarian.

00:51:07.180 And like the Gitmo thing, it's like literally malice's thing, you know, malice, malice can

00:51:14.280 say, but it's like, if you're 75, if you're 60% of what malice is, I mean, you're still

00:51:19.280 killing it.

00:51:19.900 Like, you're like, it's still great.

00:51:22.320 And like, it's not like he would say anything different if he ran the LPNH account.

00:51:26.640 I don't think he would be like, Oh wait, this is, this is too much.

00:51:30.000 I can't like, he would hit send on probably even the things you were going, like, I probably

00:51:34.360 shouldn't hit send on this.

00:51:36.400 Yeah.

00:51:36.960 And malice would be like, yeah, hit send on it.

00:51:39.680 Yeah.

00:51:39.980 So, so that's, yeah.

00:51:42.640 Yeah.

00:51:43.900 You need to do what Pete did today and just take a screenshot of before, of the, of the

00:51:50.620 draft and then tweet that out and be like, I was going to send this.

00:51:54.620 I thought that was such a great way to just like say to troll people.

00:51:58.320 Like I was going to send this and you just screenshot and then tweet the screenshot out.

00:52:03.680 Nick wants somebody to send in the stream yard and like, I don't know if you can still hear

00:52:06.420 me, but I, he wants me to switch over to discord to send it.

00:52:08.760 And I was like, discord is going to fuck with my audio, dude.

00:52:10.980 It's like asking me to switch my audio device.

00:52:12.860 I'm like, but does Nick want to get in here?

00:52:14.480 Is Nick already like 50 minutes?

00:52:16.920 What was even the point at this point?

00:52:18.700 You've done it before Jose.

00:52:20.100 Come on.

00:52:20.460 I know, but not this late in the game.

00:52:22.580 We still talk about actually what went down with, uh, Jaletta Jarvis though, I think.

00:52:26.480 Right.

00:52:26.720 Yeah.

00:52:26.880 And also, I don't know.

00:52:29.080 Was it Toad who wanted to talk about some of the stuff with Cliff?

00:52:32.460 Cause I'm happy to talk about that.

00:52:33.740 Oh yeah.

00:52:34.060 Yeah.

00:52:34.380 Let's hit that quick.

00:52:35.460 So fucking Toad can get that off, get off his back.

00:52:38.280 Yeah.

00:52:39.380 Oh, not that.

00:52:40.120 Me and Cole don't get, or, uh, Dave don't give a shit.

00:52:42.600 Well, so I mean, I mean, I do, cause it's, you know, a bit personal for me because, you know, one of my close friends is involved in it and she is a victim and a witness of some of these things.

00:52:53.020 And, you know, I was talking to her about it.

00:52:56.040 I've been like a confidant of hers for a while since like before any of the stuff was publicized.

00:53:01.700 And, you know, so I have some personal stake in it.

00:53:05.040 So, I mean, that, uh, you know, I took your tweet as praising Cliff essentially, which did piss me off.

00:53:13.680 Yeah.

00:53:14.120 So I think that I, I, I not endorsing any other, uh, other behavior.

00:53:20.560 Like I do think Yowl has been a positive, uh, force, uh, for Liberty.

00:53:27.060 They helped get a lot of libertarian, like one quarter of the libertarians that were in.

00:53:32.620 Hey, Nick, I've never been on a call with Nick before.

00:53:35.280 How's it going, man?

00:53:36.480 Yeah.

00:53:36.860 I'm a fan.

00:53:37.240 Can you guys hear me?

00:53:37.860 Okay.

00:53:38.040 Oh, I appreciate that a lot, man.

00:53:39.220 I'm a fan of yours too.

00:53:40.100 I didn't think I'd be up this late.

00:53:41.300 Otherwise I'd have just been on the show in the beginning, but y'all continue with the conversation.

00:53:45.340 I have a question for you, Jeremy, after y'all are done with whatever y'all talking about.

00:53:48.640 Yeah.

00:53:48.880 So like, I am a fan of his in that regard.

00:53:51.000 And, and, um, like, again, sorry, I don't know if I finished the stat, a quarter of the libertarians that we've gotten elect, like a quarter of Yowl's wins were in New Hampshire, right?

00:54:02.140 Like Yowl is getting a lot of libertarians elected in New Hampshire.

00:54:05.820 And, and, and I saw Cliff as a, as, as a part of that.

00:54:08.860 Now I don't, in terms of the other behavior, what I didn't like was like, I don't like witch hunts.

00:54:15.820 Um, I don't like the idea.

00:54:17.480 And, and, and, you know, we saw it with like, with Kavanaugh and others.

00:54:20.940 And then that's not me saying that anything here was false, but like when the evidence is like a bunch of screenshots that aren't attributed, like that gets my hackles up in a way that, cause it feels like that kind of campaign.

00:54:33.640 Right.

00:54:34.280 And that's not me saying that it was false.

00:54:37.320 I didn't know if it was false, but I, I have a, I have a, I have like a sort of like allergic reaction to something that pattern matches to something that like is something I've seen before that's not, that's not real.

00:54:50.040 So, so yeah, because of the me too thing and stuff like that.

00:54:52.560 Like I'm not, you know, some person who's like, believe all women or things like that.

00:54:56.040 Like from my perspective, cause I was like seeing it as it was going on.

00:54:59.820 I'm like, I mean, obviously I, you know, yeah, I believe my friend and I'm like, yeah.

00:55:04.260 And then when I saw, you know, some of those screech, I think maybe I saw more than what was actually publicized.

00:55:09.240 I'm not exactly sure, but yeah.

00:55:11.160 I mean, I, I do definitely believe it on, in this case for sure.

00:55:14.820 Right.

00:55:15.180 And so, and I haven't even gone through the like current state of the evidence, like I didn't keep up with the case.

00:55:20.740 So I don't, my opinion is like very uninformed.

00:55:24.180 A lot of people seem to think something wrong happened.

00:55:26.100 So I'm sympathetic to that, you know, possibly or probably being true.

00:55:29.880 I'll even say probably again, just like I'm a careful person.

00:55:33.080 So I don't, I don't know, but sure, probably.

00:55:36.240 But it's like, I would have liked what I would have liked to see is like clear statements from the people making them like, like being sexually assaulted is a crime.

00:55:44.120 You know, it's a bad thing.

00:55:45.720 It deserves punishment.

00:55:46.780 Like it's not something that you need to hide.

00:55:48.840 Right.

00:55:49.000 Like if I got robbed, I wouldn't report that I got robbed anonymously.

00:55:53.300 Right.

00:55:53.540 So it's like, if you were assault, like you shouldn't be embarrassed about that.

00:55:59.180 Women who are, do you should, women should not be embarrassed that that happened to them.

00:56:03.360 That's a bad thing.

00:56:06.260 That's like part of the problem is like, I think that they are.

00:56:08.760 So they're, you know, actually afraid to come forward, which I think is a lot of what was going on there.

00:56:12.640 Right.

00:56:12.780 But I, and I agree, but like what we want to be doing is normalizing that that's not embarrassing.

00:56:18.200 Men do assault women.

00:56:20.120 If you, as a woman had that happen to you, it's not an embarrassment.

00:56:24.360 It's not a knock on your character.

00:56:26.400 You did not do something wrong.

00:56:28.460 Right.

00:56:28.580 But if you want it to be credible, you need to put your name on it.

00:56:31.640 Right.

00:56:31.900 Like I just, I do feel that if you want an allegation to be credible, that you need to put your name on it.

00:56:37.380 And so what I was reacting to was one woman, I don't remember her name, Allison something like, you know, she, she pattern matched to me as this kind of like hysterical person who was like running this kind of me too type campaign.

00:56:50.980 And it made me, it made me want to, it made me want to reject it.

00:56:56.100 Right.

00:56:56.500 And maybe that was wrong.

00:56:57.560 Maybe I was being reactionary.

00:56:59.160 I'm open to that.

00:57:00.620 But like, that's basically what happened is like, I wanted to see clearly stated evidence.

00:57:04.180 And then also the other thing that I don't like is that like, and this is a difficult thing to say because I've been in this big public fight with LP National, but like, I do think it's better when things be like aired out privately.

00:57:18.920 So like Yao's a good organization.

00:57:20.540 Even if Cliff is guilty, it's not good for Yao like to have a big public fight.

00:57:26.360 So it's like when someone like Justin Amash or Spike Cohen, it's like, okay, I'm fine with you making a public statement about this if you made private statements that got ignored, then go public.

00:57:38.380 But it's like, did you email the Yao board and say, I want this to happen before you made your public statement?

00:57:44.260 Because if you're going public before you go private, it's, it's a little bit virtue signaling for me is the, is the other, is the other part of it.

00:57:51.660 So I didn't like some of the ways that it played out.

00:57:55.120 I have, I have, at this point, I'm probably leaning towards Cliff is, has, has had, has been some kind of problem.

00:58:01.900 But a lot of it was a reaction to the, to the kind of the way, to the way that it was happening.

00:58:06.680 But, you know, obviously like that kind of behavior is wrong.

00:58:10.660 I do think it deserves punishment.

00:58:12.600 Yeah.

00:58:12.920 And, and, and so I'm not trying to somehow say that nothing happened there.

00:58:17.240 Yeah.

00:58:17.780 Yeah.

00:58:18.060 And yeah, her name is Addison.

00:58:19.660 And yeah, I think, yeah, I, I, I agree with some of what you're saying there, as far as like making it like public is going to, like, some people are going to see it as being like a problem overall with like libertarianism or something like that, which is obviously not what we want.

00:58:35.300 So like when you have like a private company or something like that, I think usually it's going to be something that's handled internally, like you said, and you're just going to, okay, like get rid of that person and, you know, whatever the case may be.

00:58:45.380 So, I mean, I think that's part of the point that you're making there.

00:58:47.980 Yeah.

00:58:48.420 Yeah.

00:58:48.680 Human, the other thing is like human beings have a tendency to witch hunt and I'm someone who is like, who doesn't like witch hunts.

00:58:54.280 Right.

00:58:54.460 So I see what, what might be a witch hunt.

00:58:56.620 I want to be the kind of person who says, Hey, this might be a witch hunt.

00:58:59.220 Right.

00:58:59.440 Yeah.

00:58:59.920 And maybe I misfired saying that this was a witch hunt.

00:59:02.540 Like maybe he really is a witch, but like, I think it's, it's good.

00:59:06.800 You know,

00:59:07.280 Yeah.

00:59:09.640 To his feet.

00:59:10.460 And if he floats, he's a witch.

00:59:11.680 If he doesn't.

00:59:12.400 Sure.

00:59:12.680 Yeah.

00:59:12.920 But there's, it's, and it's not exclusive to, to any, any population, but like, you know,

00:59:20.640 human beings like this kind of ganging up behavior.

00:59:22.780 And I'm the kind of person who's like wired to kind of not like this kind of ganging up behavior.

00:59:27.120 And so I see people getting up and I, and I, and I'm like inclined to do the, to, to,

00:59:31.260 to do this kind of opposite thing.

00:59:33.400 But like, I really don't have any, any judgment, judgment on the case.

00:59:37.380 And if there is evidence that people want me to see, like, I really am happy to, to, to look at it.

00:59:42.340 I haven't been keeping up with the case.

00:59:45.100 You know, I don't think I said I, there was the original time that it broke, but I really didn't,

00:59:48.980 didn't keep up after it since then.

00:59:51.400 All right.

00:59:51.860 Are you satisfied?

00:59:54.420 I, I don't know.

00:59:55.360 I don't know what's satisfied.

00:59:56.540 He might not love the answer, but at least my, my explanation.

01:00:00.740 We definitely just, yeah, we have, we have a different perspective on it for sure.

01:00:03.820 Because, you know, I know somebody who's involved, so it's, you know.

01:00:06.700 Are you convinced that Jeremy isn't a rape apologist?

01:00:11.180 I never, I never, I never said that he was.

01:00:13.600 Yeah.

01:00:14.180 But it's tough to me, like having, the only thing I ever saw was this original post with

01:00:18.620 like a bunch of screenshots with not, with no names attached.

01:00:21.800 And like, that's just not what I like as evidence.

01:00:24.720 That's in no way saying that it's false.

01:00:27.040 That is in no way saying that Cliff did nothing wrong.

01:00:29.280 Like very, I'll say probabilistically, I don't know if I had to bet what the probability was.

01:00:33.300 I'm hesitant to even say it.

01:00:34.420 Let's say it's over 50, like that something bad happened.

01:00:37.820 Like I'm not, you know, but it's, you know, I'm, I'm the kind of person who's like very careful

01:00:41.800 to make these kinds of definitive statements.

01:00:45.540 Jeremy's going to go on after this and start the hashtag, Cliff did nothing wrong.

01:00:51.420 Nick, you got a question?

01:00:53.000 Yeah, I had two questions for Jeremy.

01:00:54.560 The first one is ask somebody with a beard, is, do you have any advice on getting cum out

01:00:59.340 of the beard?

01:00:59.820 Because I have fucking problems with that shit.

01:01:01.700 Cum and everything.

01:01:03.380 I'm just, that's not a serious question for those listening.

01:01:05.980 The big thing that fixed it for me was I stopped sucking dicks.

01:01:19.920 It's not really a question.

01:01:21.200 It's just a concept that I want to throw out there is that we, I heard y'all speaking about

01:01:24.500 this earlier and I don't know exactly how far y'all get into it, but Dave is talking

01:01:28.480 about specifically stopping the shit posting and all that.

01:01:31.260 And he's saying that the reason that we need to stop shit posting, notably the, the, you

01:01:37.280 know, official verified LP state accounts that are like official on Twitter is he's saying

01:01:43.360 that it's going to give the opposition ammo to be able to point and look at and say, Hey,

01:01:47.360 look, these, this is why they're the bad guys.

01:01:49.680 And I don't see that I I'm looking at the whole shit posting thing.

01:01:54.100 And I don't also, I also don't think that Dave kind of knows what shit posting is.

01:01:58.420 I don't think he's as familiar with like internet culture as somebody like me or anybody that's

01:02:02.700 on the show right now is familiar with a boomer now.

01:02:06.220 Sort of.

01:02:06.760 Yeah.

01:02:06.840 He's a boomer, but I'm a, I'm a boomer too.

01:02:09.960 Probably now.

01:02:11.400 So we talked about this a little bit earlier and, and if Dave ends up hearing this or anyone

01:02:15.700 else, like I'm, I'm hopefully going to chat with Dave.

01:02:17.680 I'm sorry.

01:02:18.020 I don't want to cut you off, but the main, the main thing that I, no, no, it's fine.

01:02:21.420 I just, he says that we're near the finish line and that the shit posting, which kind

01:02:26.820 of brought us to the dance is going to fuck up the, the, the little, you know, the last

01:02:31.480 10% of the quote unquote takeover or whatever.

01:02:33.880 And I don't think that I agree with that.

01:02:35.360 I feel like why, why fix it if it ain't broken, that's what's working.

01:02:39.520 Like me doing the stupid fucking Sarwark gay post.

01:02:42.900 Have you seen, have you seen the picture of where there's somebody photoshopped it to

01:02:47.560 make it look like I was spooning Nick Sarwark?

01:02:49.680 I post that shit under his, uh, his stupid tweets all the time and it ratios him every

01:02:53.960 time.

01:02:54.300 So people are getting, don't worry.

01:02:55.760 Nick comes on here all the time just to talk about the tweets he does.

01:02:58.080 That's fine.

01:02:58.580 He does.

01:02:59.040 It's all.

01:02:59.360 Yeah.

01:03:01.220 He was here.

01:03:02.240 He's like, you know, you know, I've done blackface for, right?

01:03:05.520 In this shirt.

01:03:06.540 This is the shirt I did it in actually.

01:03:08.120 You know, but the point I'm making, the point I'm making is it actually has an effect,

01:03:12.520 a very tangible effect.

01:03:13.620 And for that, for Dave to come in and say, now that we're so close to getting this shit

01:03:17.740 done, we need to stop doing it.

01:03:19.120 I don't agree with that.

01:03:20.040 And I'm just wondering what your take on that is.

01:03:22.280 Yeah.

01:03:22.500 I would like to get a clearer perspective on Dave.

01:03:25.100 I haven't seen all this and, and I'll hopefully, um, talk to him some at, at pork fest.

01:03:30.400 Um, this came up a little bit earlier.

01:03:33.840 I, um, it doesn't make complete sense to me because like, to me, the message that Dave has

01:03:40.820 been sending in other contexts is people don't apologize and, you know, promoting Michael

01:03:45.880 Malice for LP national Twitter.

01:03:48.940 Right.

01:03:49.480 Which like, you know, um, I don't, you know, it's, it's not exactly clear to me.

01:03:55.160 It's, there seems like a bit of a conflict between those messages that's getting sent.

01:03:58.660 I think so too.

01:03:59.540 Yeah.

01:03:59.720 Yeah.

01:04:00.360 But like, again, as I said, I have a lot of respect for him.

01:04:03.360 I'm open to there, you know, being something that, that I'm missing.

01:04:06.220 And I would like Dave Smith to, you know, to, to, of all the candidates that I've seen,

01:04:10.900 you know, to be the, to, to be the LP national nominee, um, the next presidential cycle.

01:04:16.580 I mean, I will say that, like, I may not exactly have his goals in the sense that like, I still

01:04:21.940 kind of think like, okay, Dave Smith's the nominee, like libertarians still aren't going

01:04:25.380 to win.

01:04:25.860 We'll do it.

01:04:26.480 They'll do a better job.

01:04:27.520 Like Dave Smith sounds way better than Joe or Gary Johnson.

01:04:30.660 So not, I would love it if it happens, but it's like, okay, now it's Dave Smith.

01:04:35.820 Okay.

01:04:36.100 So what happens, you know, like, cool.

01:04:40.160 Like, is libertarianism going to happen now?

01:04:42.860 My answer is probably still not, you know?

01:04:45.780 Um, and that's why I'm repeating myself again at this point, but that's why I'm, I'm so dedicated

01:04:50.580 to the free state movement because by concentrating, we can actually win, you know?

01:04:55.380 So it was a free, this free state has concentration camps is what I just heard.

01:04:58.780 Did I hear that happen?

01:05:00.100 That's what the politicians were.

01:05:01.340 It's a libertarian concentration camp.

01:05:03.560 I think that's a free point.

01:05:05.320 Did you put Sununu in one yet?

01:05:08.260 Yeah.

01:05:09.320 No, I want to, I mean, I want to attack Sununu.

01:05:12.480 I mean, that's another, um, I mean, I think that's another benefit.

01:05:17.180 This is more of a state thing, but no, actually it's a national thing.

01:05:20.520 Like one of the reasons it's important for libertarians to be unequivocally libertarian,

01:05:25.000 even if we can't win is it puts, you know, quote shifts the Overton window.

01:05:30.260 It puts these ideas in the space.

01:05:31.700 It's like, if we were being lockdowns are immoral, lockdowns are evil.

01:05:36.240 If you lock down people, you're a murderer.

01:05:38.120 You know, you are the worst possible human being.

01:05:39.960 Like it does make it a little easier to be like, well, lockdowns are kind of bad, you

01:05:45.100 know, uh, you know, like, because you'd be like, well, okay, they're a little extreme,

01:05:50.440 but actually this other thing, you know, and, and, and so I do think that's, that's

01:05:56.220 part of why I want both in New Hampshire and nationally libertarians to be unequivocally

01:06:00.880 libertarian, because like, I don't think they're really, well, New Hampshire, they're winning.

01:06:05.400 I don't know if they're going to win nationally.

01:06:06.360 And so it's like, it helped, but even inside of the state, because most of the libertarians

01:06:10.540 here get elected as Republican.

01:06:12.800 If, you know, the libertarian party in New Hampshire was woke and condemning, you know,

01:06:17.980 the Capitol riots and like doing, and black lives matter and all this shit.

01:06:22.360 And it's like, if instead we can be even more libertarian than the Liberty Republicans, you

01:06:27.380 know, we're, we're creating even more space, you know, they're not the most extreme, we're

01:06:32.340 the most extreme and they're less extreme than that.

01:06:35.380 And, you know, libertarians tend to be the kind of people they want to reason things through

01:06:39.560 for themselves.

01:06:40.580 Fucking normies like just average opinion, right?

01:06:43.560 And so if you, if you can create, if you can create this other extreme end point in the,

01:06:48.920 in the space of opinion, a lot of normies are going to like be moved a little bit more

01:06:53.420 towards that.

01:06:54.180 They don't buy it all the way.

01:06:55.920 Right.

01:06:56.060 Well, that's to change the extreme by definition or changing the average.

01:06:59.240 Yeah.

01:06:59.640 Well, yeah.

01:06:59.980 Shifting over to the window.

01:07:00.940 Yeah.

01:07:01.160 That's what the fat Dave was saying earlier, right?

01:07:03.680 Like with the left, that's like the left's tactic where they just go the most radical thing

01:07:07.820 possible.

01:07:08.720 And like, we're not going to settle anything less for whatever universal health.

01:07:11.880 But the compromise is a loss.

01:07:13.420 Right, right, right.

01:07:14.240 But if you can make the compromise a win, that's a, that's a good thing.

01:07:17.360 I saw a thing today that someone said that Jerry, Jeremy Kaufman has single-handedly shifted

01:07:21.940 the Overton window for like LP Twitter.

01:07:24.700 It was like, it's basically true.

01:07:27.020 Like you did shift it.

01:07:28.580 I mean, even just a little, you did shift it just enough to where like you caused something

01:07:34.320 actually pretty awesome.

01:07:35.500 Well, shit, they were writing articles about it on Fox News, the child labor thing.

01:07:38.600 And like the thing about it, this is what I've been saying is you, you entered something

01:07:42.140 into the conversation that's not going to be leaving anytime soon.

01:07:44.980 And that's what messaging is all about.

01:07:47.620 And we've, we've heard the number like over 12 million impressions.

01:07:50.440 It's probably higher than that now.

01:07:51.840 Cause it's tweets, you know, it's older than, than a few days.

01:07:54.980 Oh, it's gone.

01:07:55.960 Oh, that's how it got deleted.

01:07:59.000 So it's got zero impressions.

01:08:00.320 The child labor one alone did 12 million.

01:08:03.120 And the other thing is like, it's not, and it'd be one thing if we got a bunch of, of

01:08:09.300 news and it's like, everyone hated us.

01:08:11.340 Like the Fox news article about the child labor one, you can pull up now all the comments,

01:08:16.660 all the comments, all the top comments say, I, I support this idea.

01:08:22.100 Right.

01:08:22.840 And, and yeah, we made, we made that happen.

01:08:25.460 And so, yeah, I think it's, it's difficult to judge that as a, I don't know the way I

01:08:30.660 It's also pretty funny.

01:08:31.980 It's also pretty funny to be like, like when the LP is like getting upset at you and they're

01:08:35.840 like, he's being super radical messaging and all that when they didn't even want to come

01:08:39.500 out against the lockdowns.

01:08:40.700 Like they couldn't even do the, like even the least amount.

01:08:43.880 So like them, them like criticizing you is like, it doesn't even matter.

01:08:48.640 You couldn't even come out against the lockdowns when they were happening at that time.

01:08:51.860 And then when you finally did after literally everybody in libertarian Twitter was ragging on

01:08:57.080 you, you said the most milquetoast way of saying it.

01:08:59.720 Like, right.

01:09:01.560 You're the criticisms on you for being radical, even though you were, they kind of did the

01:09:06.160 same with the facts for shit too.

01:09:07.920 I will say if I, if I get the account back before Juneteenth, I have some, Hey, I get

01:09:16.960 Juneteenth off man.

01:09:18.320 Cause I'm in a blue state.

01:09:22.040 So it's like, yeah, we can talk about this.

01:09:24.820 They just made that a national holiday.

01:09:27.140 Did they?

01:09:27.580 Yeah.

01:09:28.960 I want to talk about this.

01:09:30.120 I want to talk about this Gus thing.

01:09:31.540 Cause I don't know very much about it.

01:09:32.880 And I want to hear.

01:09:33.540 We're going to talk about the Gus thing and we're going to talk about Joletta Jarvis and

01:09:37.320 henchmen.

01:09:38.140 Yeah.

01:09:38.280 I want to hear this Gus thing real quick.

01:09:39.900 I don't know.

01:09:40.860 You might have to set up the story.

01:09:42.220 This is hilarious, dude.

01:09:43.980 I don't, I don't really know who this guy is.

01:09:47.760 And yeah.

01:09:49.040 Uh, but he, it's this guy, it was, uh, he's a guy, he's a guy, he's a guy, he's a, he's

01:09:55.740 a, he's a gay dude who, as it turns out, he's, I believe 17.

01:10:00.060 Okay.

01:10:00.640 And he is, uh, he's like an ROTC.

01:10:02.680 And I know that he's like, he's like pro Israel, pro war and like woke and claims to be a libertarian.

01:10:09.880 Yeah.

01:10:10.440 Right.

01:10:10.880 Yeah.

01:10:11.080 I mean, so it seems like kind of the problem with the libertarian party.

01:10:13.420 I don't know.

01:10:13.800 I heard, I was in the LP national, uh, the LNC, you know, the call last night listening

01:10:23.160 to the testimony and the chat was like a fucking Twitch chat.

01:10:27.320 You know, people are just like saying shit.

01:10:29.160 Spamming.

01:10:29.600 Yeah.

01:10:30.800 And I started JBH for Gitmo and kept it going and going and going.

01:10:35.900 And so, uh, he gave this testimony that was like LPNH is bigoted and racist and homophobic

01:10:45.340 and they're everything wrong with the libertarian party and they need to be disbanded.

01:10:49.840 I don't know exactly what he said.

01:10:51.460 And so I just typed in the chat, like 100% this guy would, would suck my dick if given

01:10:56.120 the chance.

01:10:56.960 Cause that just seemed like a funny thing to say.

01:10:59.600 Yeah.

01:11:00.500 And I didn't know, I didn't know how old he was.

01:11:04.500 It also, if you're mature enough to be on the LP national chat advocating at this level,

01:11:10.980 right?

01:11:11.700 Like one of my favorite troll tweets, there's this guy, Justin Murphy, I really like, and

01:11:16.740 he, he's willing to say, what's his name?

01:11:18.900 Justin Murphy.

01:11:19.600 Uh, I don't know how libertarian is, but his best troll tweet was like, uh, you know,

01:11:24.680 not even being provocative.

01:11:26.860 Uh, but if you think Greta Thornburg is old, is old enough, uh, to dictate climate policy,

01:11:32.600 then you can't be upset about Jeffrey Epstein.

01:11:35.060 Right.

01:11:35.500 I don't know if you're talking about a different one, but I know Justin Murphy, he's like a

01:11:44.440 lib social, like a, like a libertarian socialist or ancom or whatever that would, whatever you

01:11:48.660 would call it.

01:11:49.060 He's like a left libertarian, but like a semi good one.

01:11:51.380 And he was like, not, I think the, the one that I'm thinking of that I, whenever you

01:11:55.800 mentioned his name is, he said, not even being provocative at Greta's and not, if Greta

01:11:59.160 is mature enough to like go out and lead this change, this thing about climate change.

01:12:03.060 And she's, you know, old enough to consent, like implying that she was, you know.

01:12:08.020 Yeah.

01:12:08.400 I think we're probably talking about the same tweet, although I don't think he's a lip

01:12:11.580 sock, but I don't know.

01:12:12.620 I could be wrong.

01:12:13.260 He's a kind of a complex guy.

01:12:14.760 So his politics may be difficult to distill.

01:12:17.600 Um, yeah.

01:12:18.420 His bio at the time said libertarian communist.

01:12:20.840 I remember that.

01:12:22.100 Yeah.

01:12:22.300 He's also a troll.

01:12:23.300 So he may not have met that.

01:12:24.300 That's true.

01:12:24.780 That's true.

01:12:25.560 I, I, I've talked to him enough to, I don't think he's a communist, but, but anyway, the

01:12:31.640 point is, it's like, I actually think there's something there.

01:12:34.300 Like if you, like, if he is having these conversations at this level, like you can suck, he's old enough

01:12:40.740 to suck my dick.

01:12:43.660 You didn't even know who the fuck this person was.

01:12:48.180 You were just insulting him.

01:12:49.180 Like, like, like, like suck your, suck.

01:12:53.000 My dick is a good retort.

01:12:55.080 So today is like, would you teach children to do this?

01:12:59.360 Like, yes, I will teach my children to say suck my dick.

01:13:02.960 When somebody says something retarded.

01:13:05.720 Your children already say it.

01:13:06.940 Just tell them to suck your dick.

01:13:08.520 Like, no, they're too young.

01:13:10.060 Oh, all right.

01:13:10.660 There's a five-year-old boy running around in the classroom.

01:13:14.640 Fuck my dick.

01:13:16.480 Oh, yeah.

01:13:17.160 You better watch out for those rabbis.

01:13:19.160 What percentage of the time that someone says suck my dick, they actually, are they, do they

01:13:24.820 actually mean literally suck my dick?

01:13:27.200 I mean, most of the time that that's being said.

01:13:29.980 Yeah.

01:13:30.420 It's not.

01:13:31.040 Women say that shit.

01:13:32.360 Women say suck my dick.

01:13:33.580 Like, come on.

01:13:34.360 Yeah.

01:13:34.720 On the other hand, you never turn down a free beach.

01:13:36.760 So.

01:13:38.480 I love that he said, Jeremy is a pedophile.

01:13:41.300 I'm actually a minor.

01:13:42.440 It's like, that's not what that word means.

01:13:44.480 You fucking retard.

01:13:45.520 Yeah.

01:13:45.860 Also correct.

01:13:46.700 Yeah.

01:13:47.760 So I don't care.

01:13:49.140 I don't care.

01:13:49.920 Also, I mean, like, look, the Libertarian Party can do whatever they want.

01:13:52.760 I don't, I don't care.

01:13:53.540 I'm a free stater, right?

01:13:54.520 Like, I'm a free, like, I joined the Libertarian Party because I wanted the Libertarian Party

01:13:58.280 to be Libertarian.

01:13:59.500 The Libertarian Party doesn't want me.

01:14:01.880 I mean, I think that's a reflection on them and not a reflection on me.

01:14:04.880 Yeah.

01:14:05.140 You know, so I don't care.

01:14:06.860 Yeah.

01:14:08.480 Right.

01:14:08.840 Wait, so, so, so you just said this in the chat and then that, that was it.

01:14:11.600 Or did it like blow up later on?

01:14:13.300 I said it in the chat and then he.

01:14:15.500 He made a screenshot.

01:14:16.760 Also.

01:14:17.160 I have it on Twitter.

01:14:17.940 Like a retard, took a picture of the chat with his camera.

01:14:21.780 So, like, let's talk about the intelligence level.

01:14:24.220 What?

01:14:24.940 No.

01:14:26.620 Doesn't know how to use the print screen.

01:14:28.240 Doesn't know how to screenshot.

01:14:29.540 Doesn't know how to screenshot.

01:14:30.860 So he posted this picture.

01:14:34.120 Yeah, that's right.

01:14:36.420 Ace.

01:14:36.780 Oh, yeah.

01:14:37.660 Yeah.

01:14:38.180 And so he posted this screenshot.

01:14:39.740 Good point.

01:14:40.300 Jeremy Kaufman is a pedophile.

01:14:43.100 And so I, I, I quote tweeted him and said, if you're, if you're old enough to, you know, participate in these conversations, you're old enough to suck my dick.

01:14:50.040 Because I'm not, I don't need to give the caveat that I don't actually want you to, because that's not the conversation we're actually, I'm not, I don't want him to.

01:15:01.900 I don't, but it's like, that's, I think that's true.

01:15:08.460 Also, let's not pretend that gay people aren't sucking dick whenever they're like 13, 14.

01:15:13.020 They're fucking weird, dude.

01:15:14.320 They will.

01:15:15.260 Experience it?

01:15:16.520 No, he's listening to Milo.

01:15:17.520 No, I heard it from Milo.

01:15:18.880 Yeah, it was Milo.

01:15:20.420 Oh, I didn't know.

01:15:21.080 Legion of Skanks.

01:15:22.960 Well, because the answer, this came up earlier.

01:15:24.660 It's like, well, think about it.

01:15:26.220 When you were 13 or 14 year olds old, you probably would have had sex as a guy.

01:15:30.960 You probably would have.

01:15:32.040 And if you're a gay guy, it's that much easier because it's with other men, right?

01:15:35.720 So it's like, if you're a gay, if you're a gay young man, it's just going to be easier.

01:15:40.600 Yeah, you don't even have to leave the locker room.

01:15:42.920 You don't have to leave the church.

01:15:48.540 This is what got Milo fucking unpersoned.

01:15:50.940 You better be careful, Jeremy.

01:15:51.980 I mean, you can't leave, man, when you're locked in the confessional.

01:15:57.040 I really can't be unpersoned.

01:15:58.680 Like, I can't be unpersoned.

01:15:59.800 Like, that's part of why I'm comfortable is the game.

01:16:01.760 It's all blockchain and crypto.

01:16:03.480 Good luck.

01:16:04.260 I'm the CEO of my own company.

01:16:06.140 You know, like, I don't.

01:16:07.460 What are you going to do?

01:16:08.300 I don't know.

01:16:08.860 The free state problem is not your team.

01:16:10.100 It's bigger than ours.

01:16:12.040 No.

01:16:13.280 I'm just fucking with you.

01:16:14.260 It's legit shit.

01:16:15.240 I'm just fucking with you.

01:16:15.920 Yeah.

01:16:18.280 No, there's a legit flex that you can use at any time.

01:16:21.360 Like, anyone who tries to shit on you over not doing enough for liberty, they can eat

01:16:24.480 a big, fat fucking cock.

01:16:25.960 Because, like, I mean, even political shit aside, like, fucking go fuck right off to

01:16:31.020 the other side of the goddamn moon.

01:16:32.380 Like, eat a dick.

01:16:33.860 How refreshing is it to have somebody in this fucking movement that it just, it doubles

01:16:38.040 down on everything, doesn't apologize, doesn't backtrack.

01:16:41.060 I love that shit, dude.

01:16:42.340 Nick, stop bloating.

01:16:43.640 No, I'm talking about Jeremy.

01:16:44.900 Like, how refreshing is that?

01:16:48.120 Because I hate seeing these people that get, like, they get called out by some super lame

01:16:53.060 fucking left libertarian or woke or whatever the fuck we call them now, loser brigade with

01:16:58.040 300 followers.

01:16:59.000 And they, like, apologize and say, it's so refreshing to see somebody who just doubles

01:17:03.400 down on everything.

01:17:04.560 And it's hilarious to watch the reaction to it.

01:17:06.560 It's like, you guys don't even realize we're fucking laughing at you, you idiot.

01:17:09.280 Oh, he triples down, dude.

01:17:10.920 I think at the end of that Gus thing, I think, didn't you, didn't you, like, tweet out, which

01:17:15.000 I would consider to be a shit post, something about how libertarians don't believe in Asia

01:17:19.340 consent laws?

01:17:21.080 Federal.

01:17:22.040 Federal.

01:17:22.660 Federal, yeah.

01:17:23.800 Federal.

01:17:24.380 I mean, that's just a straightforward constitutional states' rights issue.

01:17:27.880 I mean, that's, I don't see how you could, I don't, I don't see how you could

01:17:31.400 do that.

01:17:32.260 I mean, where in the Constitution is that, you know, that's clearly a states' rights issue.

01:17:37.660 That's not even a troll.

01:17:38.760 I mean, that's just a straightforward, factual interpretation of the legal structure that

01:17:43.780 we live in.

01:17:44.600 The federal, actually, someone did correct me.

01:17:47.040 The federal age of consent is 12.

01:17:49.360 So every state.

01:17:50.920 What?

01:17:51.780 Every state has state laws well above that age.

01:17:54.440 So there is a federal age of consent and the federal age of consent is 12.

01:17:57.260 Okay, so you're in the clear, bro.

01:17:58.720 Notification works is what you're saying.

01:17:59.860 Yeah.

01:18:01.060 Notification works.

01:18:04.120 I don't know.

01:18:04.700 That came from, what's the guy who runs the, like, libertarian, white, libertarian, with

01:18:11.820 Asian wives, the libertarian, that guy?

01:18:13.600 Oh.

01:18:14.740 He's a realist.

01:18:15.800 Jack Lloyd.

01:18:16.700 Oh, Jack Lloyd.

01:18:18.120 Wait, he has multiple wives?

01:18:20.000 I thought it was multiple wives.

01:18:20.160 No, no, no, no.

01:18:20.780 Jack Lloyd provided some substance to that.

01:18:27.240 But dude, I will say, like, the Mises caucus people even didn't like, at least some of them

01:18:32.840 didn't like that one, you know?

01:18:34.800 So I don't know.

01:18:35.860 I wasn't, I'm not like.

01:18:37.060 Aren't you getting, you're getting shit from them on.

01:18:40.060 Angela McArdle has been talking shit to you on Twitter, I see.

01:18:42.580 Oh, that's right, yeah.

01:18:43.740 Yeah.

01:18:44.020 I mean, Angela is, like, very conflict-oriented, so we have a debate of pork-fests.

01:18:48.420 In other words, she's a woman.

01:18:50.080 Yeah.

01:18:50.440 Wow.

01:18:51.520 God.

01:18:53.380 Am I fucking wrong?

01:18:54.840 Am I wrong?

01:18:55.300 Angela McArdle's never coming on.

01:18:56.840 I think they're more conflict-oriented than women are, actually.

01:19:01.340 I do.

01:19:01.940 I do.

01:19:03.120 But we have a debate of pork-fest, so I don't know if that was, like, egging or all.

01:19:07.600 It may also be that, like, because I think that, like, again, like, Dave Smith has these

01:19:13.140 messaging lanes that he wants people to stay within, and so, you know, he's got his attack

01:19:18.060 dogs, you know, he wants people to be in these lanes, and, you know, I'm sympathetic, but

01:19:24.200 at the end of the day, I don't really care that much, so.

01:19:26.820 Yeah.

01:19:27.440 Yeah, my take on it is libertarianism is an inherent, y'all talked about this earlier,

01:19:30.940 it's an inherently controversial ideology.

01:19:33.700 By definition, it's controversial because most people don't agree with it.

01:19:36.880 I don't even know if that makes it controversial, but it's, like, another level of controversy

01:19:40.020 that most people don't even agree with it.

01:19:42.040 So why are you afraid to cause a ruckus?

01:19:44.780 Why are you afraid to be looked at as, like, undesirable by the mainstream or by the establishment

01:19:49.580 or whatever it may be that we're talking about here, Democrats, Republicans, or whatever?

01:19:53.220 There's no fucking point in trying to tone it down and be any more palatable for the masses

01:19:58.100 than you would be among your friends.

01:20:00.120 Well, yeah, you're toning it down for the establishment, like you said, for the cathedral.

01:20:04.280 You're all, that's who you're toning it down for.

01:20:05.940 You're toning it down for the enemy.

01:20:07.740 The people that kill children overseas every day.

01:20:10.360 Well, the problem is, and this is what most libertarians don't want to recognize, is that,

01:20:15.500 like, most people don't want to believe that what they like is unpopular.

01:20:19.020 They want to believe, like, if only they had the right experience, had the right arguments,

01:20:24.040 the right thing happened to them.

01:20:25.280 And, you know, it's like, it's the equivalent of being, I don't know, like, you know, I'm

01:20:29.120 not trying to make it wrong.

01:20:29.740 Religious or something.

01:20:30.560 Yeah, so it was like, you want to believe that you have this truth and other people ought

01:20:33.920 to appreciate it.

01:20:35.080 And, you know, and that's, it's, in my opinion, it's not really the case.

01:20:39.980 It's something that is true for some people, but not true for others.

01:20:43.600 And so, like, a lot of libertarians don't want to, don't want to confront that fact.

01:20:48.080 Yeah.

01:20:48.600 This is why I'm going to lose my debate against Angela, by the way.

01:20:51.020 I predict that I'm going to lose.

01:20:52.680 Because, like, I am going to make this argument about how freestaters are winning, but a big

01:20:56.420 part of my argument is going to be that, like, libertarians are fundamentally different

01:21:00.660 people who will always be dominated, you know, in America at large.

01:21:05.420 And that's a really difficult concept for libertarians to accept.

01:21:09.040 One day, you guys are going to go, Jose, you were right.

01:21:11.920 Like, agorism was the way.

01:21:13.380 And it's not because, it's because people don't take Jeremy's route.

01:21:16.960 Because the incentives drive the other way.

01:21:19.200 Because you look at the Mises caucus, and they've kind of take the Jeremy route, and

01:21:23.280 then over time, they're backing off and going and slowly moving back into the blue-pilled

01:21:27.860 bullshit, bitch-fuck-cut territory, as opposed to sticking with the fucking Jeremy route.

01:21:32.460 If that was the route they went the whole entire way, I'd have nothing to fucking complain

01:21:36.380 about.

01:21:37.220 Yeah, it's not that they're blue-pilled, it's that there's two, they're two pragmatist

01:21:41.520 caucus disagreeing on what pragmatism ought to be.

01:21:44.620 Because if you're saying that, like, you know, you have to stay within these messaging

01:21:48.240 lanes because these messaging lanes work, well, that's a pragmatist argument, right?

01:21:52.140 That's saying that, like, we should say these things, but we shouldn't say these other things,

01:21:55.840 even though we believe that.

01:21:57.360 The irony of pragmatism is it's ironically almost never pragmatic.

01:22:02.480 Yeah.

01:22:03.440 Tom and Reid, whenever Tom was on Reid Coverdale's show, Reid said, like, sometimes the pragmatist

01:22:08.260 message is the radical message, and it's true, it is.

01:22:11.100 Yeah, that was Tom Reid, actually, in that case.

01:22:13.280 You saw the shades.

01:22:16.380 We're getting a little long in the tooth here, so let's do our fucking deviant question.

01:22:21.120 Our question is, and this sounds on its head not very deep, but when you start to think

01:22:27.020 about it, you realize this has a whole lot of implications.

01:22:28.580 I've been thinking about this all day.

01:22:29.600 Wait, I thought we were going to talk about Jelena Jarvis still.

01:22:32.320 Oh, fuck that dumb whore.

01:22:34.920 Jesus.

01:22:36.140 You definitely would, wouldn't you?

01:22:37.900 I don't know.

01:22:38.600 I mean, I haven't got a good picture of her.

01:22:40.240 You fucked Joe Bishop Henshman?

01:22:41.760 Hey, a hole is a hole, okay?

01:22:44.600 But anyways, what constitutes a unit of fuck?

01:22:49.840 Like, what constitutes what a fuck is?

01:22:52.140 Are you a married man, Jeremy?

01:22:53.580 I am.

01:22:54.240 Well, kind of.

01:22:55.600 Well, you just told me a marital issue.

01:23:00.940 I'm not married, but I don't respond.

01:23:02.800 Wait, wait, wait.

01:23:03.700 That's like that Mitch Hedford joke.

01:23:05.040 I don't have a girlfriend, but I know a girl that would be really mad when I said that.

01:23:09.460 That's exactly what the fuck that was.

01:23:11.600 That's exactly what that was.

01:23:15.580 It's actually the, it's closer to the Doug Stanhope bit, which is like.

01:23:19.520 Is she 14?

01:23:20.180 Is that the problem, Jeremy?

01:23:21.180 No.

01:23:23.200 She's 30.

01:23:23.880 Why is actually Gus?

01:23:24.740 He's not telling me.

01:23:25.600 She's 30.

01:23:26.560 I have three boys.

01:23:27.760 We've been in a relationship for a long time.

01:23:30.540 Very committed to each other, but it's like, why do we want to bring the state into this?

01:23:34.420 I don't, you know.

01:23:35.220 I understand, yeah.

01:23:35.840 They just celebrated their 20-year anniversary, actually.

01:23:38.120 You may as well be married, so you say you're married.

01:23:42.740 There are, people wear rings, you know, so.

01:23:48.880 But we're not married in the eyes of the state.

01:23:51.880 Yeah, but this works well in a marital sense, because, like, what constitutes sex?

01:23:57.280 Because I've had times where my wife would be like, well, we, you put it in.

01:24:00.900 That was sex.

01:24:02.260 To me, I'm like, that was not sex.

01:24:05.080 That's not, that's not a unit of fuck.

01:24:07.120 Like, what to you constitutes a unit of fuck?

01:24:09.560 And then from there, we can derive out conclusions.

01:24:11.660 Because if it's penetration, then women can never have sex with other women.

01:24:15.600 Lesbian sex is imaginary.

01:24:19.120 Wait, what?

01:24:19.660 They can penetrate, what are you talking about?

01:24:21.460 I mean, I guess, but even then, but not with a penis.

01:24:24.320 I mean, I don't know.

01:24:25.360 We get into weird territories here.

01:24:27.080 Yeah.

01:24:29.020 And you're making some good points.

01:24:32.980 That's why this is such a ridiculous question.

01:24:35.080 I don't know how to answer it.

01:24:36.820 It's ridiculous, but actually quite deep.

01:24:39.860 Wait, Jose, are you saying that?

01:24:41.060 If it's ejaculation, it's still women can't have sex.

01:24:42.700 No, it's definitely not.

01:24:43.800 It's definitely not.

01:24:44.260 It can't be that, because women will have sex and not get off, especially in Jose's case.

01:24:48.560 Oh, whoa.

01:24:51.260 I don't give a fuck.

01:24:52.180 That's just in marriage.

01:24:53.280 That's just in marriage, man.

01:24:54.640 That's what I meant.

01:24:56.660 Speak for yourself, Cole.

01:24:58.360 I think you're okay.

01:24:59.520 Sorry.

01:25:00.720 Nick's out here just to, like, I'm just...

01:25:02.980 Yeah.

01:25:04.180 Classic hetero case.

01:25:05.520 It's going to be somewhere between the tip and the full stroke, is probably...

01:25:09.380 I can't believe we're talking about this shit.

01:25:11.860 We can't.

01:25:12.660 Well, Jeremy is the one-pump Trump, apparently.

01:25:15.640 Well, these are the kind...

01:25:16.560 Honestly, this is...

01:25:17.700 Oh, shit.

01:25:18.560 Well, yeah.

01:25:20.580 Who told you?

01:25:22.500 This is...

01:25:23.460 This is...

01:25:25.140 This is...

01:25:26.140 This is...

01:25:27.280 This is what gets me in trouble, is the problem.

01:25:30.740 It's like...

01:25:31.220 Like, someone asked me a question.

01:25:32.840 I'm like, well, I'll entertain that idea.

01:25:34.480 Like, I don't...

01:25:35.180 This is how I might have it all.

01:25:38.560 So, yeah, that would be my answer, is, like, somewhere between the tip and the stroke.

01:25:43.640 Because I'm sympathetic to the idea that, like, well, if it's just the tip, was that...

01:25:48.140 I don't know if that's...

01:25:49.100 A full in-and-out stroke?

01:25:53.020 I mean, that's a full penetration.

01:25:54.500 I don't know if my wife...

01:25:57.080 If my wife let me get in there and just get one stroke and then cut me off, and she tried

01:26:01.160 to tell me two days later that we fucked and, like, leave me alone.

01:26:03.820 Why are you bugging me?

01:26:05.040 I'd be like, what are you talking about?

01:26:06.620 I just put my dick in.

01:26:07.580 That doesn't count.

01:26:08.300 That could be an accident.

01:26:11.840 You have to qualify this, too, because the dick probably has to be erect, right?

01:26:15.680 Because you can't just take your flaccid dick and just kind of, like, mush it in there.

01:26:18.860 Like, that's not...

01:26:19.180 No shit, Toad.

01:26:20.180 Have you ever had sex before?

01:26:24.040 According to you guys, no.

01:26:26.540 Okay, you've never said you have, so I don't know what to tell you.

01:26:29.460 Oh.

01:26:31.040 But, I don't know.

01:26:32.000 I mean, penetration, though, that also logically leads to that there's no such thing as female

01:26:37.780 gay sex.

01:26:39.160 So, like, now you're back to being a bigot.

01:26:41.460 I expressed it for the hetero case, but I, you know...

01:26:46.120 It also works for gay men in your case.

01:26:48.700 Yeah.

01:26:49.900 I mean, in the lesbian sex case, I mean, first of all, you'd be talking about oral sex or

01:26:57.400 you'd be talking about penetration, right?

01:26:59.720 Like...

01:27:00.200 Yeah.

01:27:01.100 Or scissoring.

01:27:02.500 So, if they...

01:27:03.220 That's going to count it?

01:27:04.340 Is that sex?

01:27:05.180 Like, does that count as sex?

01:27:06.800 It's like, where do we draw the objective line?

01:27:09.640 This is my point.

01:27:10.400 One minute.

01:27:11.060 We're going to have...

01:27:11.540 One minute.

01:27:12.060 ...liver brain theory doesn't apply to...

01:27:13.240 One minute.

01:27:13.760 Cole, that...

01:27:14.340 One minute.

01:27:14.820 Cole, as an engineer, Cole, you should...

01:27:16.740 We should come up with, like, a formula, kind of like the...

01:27:19.540 The number...

01:27:21.100 The number of hydrogens on a carbo...

01:27:23.140 Or on, like, a CFC or whatever it's called.

01:27:25.800 Like, methane and butane or whatever.

01:27:27.620 It's like 2N to the second power.

01:27:30.460 Like, whereas N is the amount of minutes plus C, which is a constant for the amount of strokes.

01:27:35.340 Like, there's got to be some formula that we can figure out that we can fucking solve this shit.

01:27:39.200 I just think you're talking about...

01:27:39.900 For hetero.

01:27:40.820 For hetero or man on man.

01:27:42.240 We can't handle the concept of subjectivity.

01:27:43.120 We just can't.

01:27:43.980 I thought you were talking about that Silicon Valley thing where they're talking about how

01:27:47.140 to most efficiently jack off an entire room full of dudes.

01:27:50.340 Oh, what?

01:27:52.180 That was so funny.

01:27:54.280 You need to watch Silicon Valley because they did.

01:27:56.920 And it, like, it actually tied into the story.

01:27:59.980 And they were like, you have to have two dicks and you use one hand.

01:28:04.920 Don't worry about it, man.

01:28:07.000 They actually hired mathematicians from Stanford as consultants for that scene.

01:28:14.200 He was like...

01:28:15.120 He was like...

01:28:16.660 Because you quit.

01:28:17.400 They were talking about, you just do two hands, but that's still two dicks.

01:28:19.740 It's when you can do four dicks.

01:28:22.460 I don't know, man.

01:28:23.540 I like the hydrocarbine formula better.

01:28:26.520 But then you have to align them by height because their dick-to-floor ratio might be different.

01:28:33.140 I forgot about this shit.

01:28:35.300 I love Silicon Valley so much.

01:28:37.520 It's such a good show.

01:28:37.820 And then you have to take into account the shaft angle.

01:28:40.840 Oh, my God.

01:28:43.600 All right.

01:28:44.280 I feel like we properly covered that.

01:28:46.420 There's no real proper answer for that either way.

01:28:48.620 No matter what, you're a bigot of some form.

01:28:52.240 Lesbians can't have sex is what we figured out.

01:28:54.480 Nothing can't.

01:28:55.400 Lesbians are an imaginary concept.

01:28:59.600 We do not validate their existence.

01:29:01.240 Wait, you mean all the porn I watch is fake?

01:29:03.120 Yeah, it's not real.

01:29:04.600 Damn it.

01:29:05.980 But anyway, you guys want to touch on the fucking...

01:29:08.960 That faggoty Jarvis chick or who...

01:29:11.280 Yeah, go ahead.

01:29:12.000 Yeah, go ahead, Jeremy.

01:29:13.100 Jarvis.

01:29:13.580 The Jarvis thing and the henchman thing.

01:29:14.860 We're going there.

01:29:16.260 Oh, he goes to get him out.

01:29:17.220 I don't know.

01:29:19.620 I mean, look, I actually think Giletto was more of a bit of a pawn, honestly.

01:29:24.360 Like, she was ready.

01:29:25.140 She's, like, not the most capable libertarian.

01:29:29.780 She's more libertarian than most people, but she doesn't really understand the philosophy.

01:29:33.820 And that's why she was frustrated by what was happening.

01:29:38.500 And then she was ready to leave, though.

01:29:40.080 She was going to do the right thing.

01:29:42.000 She was going to leave.

01:29:42.760 She got elected because Mises was like, let's throw an olive branch to the people we disagree

01:29:47.140 with.

01:29:47.440 Let's keep Giletto around.

01:29:48.800 Giletto...

01:29:49.080 I remember that.

01:29:49.900 Giletto came to our meetings and was like, I'll work with you.

01:29:52.960 And we're like, all right, we'll back Giletto.

01:29:54.840 That will keep, like, some diversity.

01:29:56.680 And that way, it's not like a takeover.

01:29:58.820 And then...

01:30:00.160 And it wasn't...

01:30:01.160 There were other people beyond Giletto on the XCOM.

01:30:03.160 And it's like...

01:30:03.900 But she had a ton of problems with everything.

01:30:05.500 She kept getting outvoted.

01:30:06.640 Even the Fox News article that we generated with the tweet, she didn't understand how

01:30:11.440 to take advantage of.

01:30:12.320 She gave an answer.

01:30:13.280 It's like, well, the minimum working age should be this number instead of this other number.

01:30:17.460 And it's like, no, that's not how it works.

01:30:18.980 It's not the government's issue.

01:30:20.660 So she doesn't really...

01:30:22.020 I don't think she really has any kind of, like, philosophical understanding of libertarianism.

01:30:26.200 I don't know how she came to be one.

01:30:27.880 She was very frustrated by the fact that, like, she was constantly getting outvoted.

01:30:32.560 She was ready to quit, though.

01:30:33.700 And I think that was the right move on her part.

01:30:35.600 I'm not going to be involved anymore.

01:30:38.040 And someone, unnamed individual, we don't know who, told her that there is something

01:30:45.040 that could be done.

01:30:46.780 You know?

01:30:48.120 And so...

01:30:49.600 And I'm guessing you have your theories on who that mysterious co-conspirator is.

01:30:55.540 Somebody that's recently moved to New Hampshire.

01:30:59.080 Rats travel in pack.

01:31:00.440 That's all I got to say.

01:31:01.060 No, Nick...

01:31:02.060 Like, Nick...

01:31:03.180 I mean, Nick came after me in the Free State Pride.

01:31:05.700 I mean, Nick tried to get me in trouble.

01:31:07.680 I mean, Nick became persona non grata pretty quickly because the Free State movement is

01:31:11.560 not a particularly woke movement.

01:31:13.500 Like, if you want to be woke, it's cool.

01:31:15.040 We're not anti-woke.

01:31:15.900 But it's like, we're not woke first.

01:31:18.040 We're libertarians.

01:31:19.060 It's private property and voluntary association, you know?

01:31:21.700 And so it's like, his shit wasn't really working here.

01:31:25.160 I mean, and I don't want to get into all the details, but we have private forums and stuff.

01:31:28.440 I mean, he came after...

01:31:29.400 I'm on the board.

01:31:29.980 He attacked me multiple times and people just fucking laughed at him.

01:31:33.080 And so it's like, you know, he felt very powerless.

01:31:36.340 And I was also part of the coalition that helped him get ousted.

01:31:39.820 I was not the leader of that.

01:31:41.240 I participated.

01:31:42.440 Got to give credit to the other Mises organizers here, like Ben Richards and these other people,

01:31:47.240 Eric Sawyer.

01:31:47.760 And so, like, you know, it was them.

01:31:50.500 I was along for the ride for the most part.

01:31:52.820 But, like, and then he got noted, right?

01:31:56.200 And he has a big ego.

01:32:00.720 He has a big...

01:32:01.220 Nick thought he was going to be the vice presidential nominee.

01:32:03.980 He thought Amash was going to run and he was going to be the vice president.

01:32:06.500 Like, that's what he thought was going to happen.

01:32:08.460 And so, like, to go...

01:32:10.140 To have that kind of fall with someone with his personality, it's like, it's really hard on him.

01:32:15.700 And kudos to him for keeping it up and moving forward.

01:32:21.000 But, like, yeah, I think it's...

01:32:23.560 I'm not going to say definitively that he's involved, but it seems likely, you know?

01:32:28.560 Well, I think this kind of goes into what Michael Heiss on...

01:32:32.360 I think on Josh Smith was saying that we've driven some people to suicidal thoughts.

01:32:38.620 He was like, I know a people that...

01:32:40.900 A people?

01:32:41.520 Because of...

01:32:42.600 What was that?

01:32:43.560 He said, I know a people.

01:32:44.920 You're talking about Richie?

01:32:47.780 No, but maybe he was talking about Richie.

01:32:51.720 But he was saying it and he was just like, we've, like, taken these people's, like, what they thought was the LP and, like, turned it on its head.

01:33:01.080 And they can't cope with it.

01:33:03.060 Like, they cannot, like, rectify what they're seeing.

01:33:07.380 Joe Bishop Henchman can't cope with it.

01:33:10.160 He can't cope with it.

01:33:11.140 He sent this crazy email that's, like, these people are destroying the Libertarian Party.

01:33:14.600 I won't be able to stand for the Libertarian Party anymore.

01:33:17.120 I mean, and it's, like, it's crazy.

01:33:18.480 Because I just don't know what the school of libertarianism is that they're ascribing to.

01:33:24.620 I don't even know.

01:33:25.440 Like, who are they...

01:33:26.180 Like, whose ideas are they following?

01:33:28.540 Like, they don't really articulate it, you know?

01:33:30.200 That's what they are.

01:33:30.940 They're fucking useless centrists.

01:33:33.480 Well, just basically, like, neoliberals.

01:33:35.880 Jose, what's your...

01:33:36.820 Jose, what's your...

01:33:38.340 Yeah, what's your quote, Jose?

01:33:39.820 I think they are, yeah.

01:33:41.240 Jose, what's your quote on centrists?

01:33:43.060 I don't know.

01:33:43.500 CK would know better than I would.

01:33:44.740 She's the one who's...

01:33:45.360 Yeah, they're just neoliberals.

01:33:48.700 I call them neolibertarians.

01:33:50.300 Like, I'm not the one that came up with that.

01:33:51.860 I saw it somewhere else.

01:33:52.800 But, yeah, they're just basically neoliberals is what they are.

01:33:55.680 Neoliberals who have a slightly better foreign policy.

01:33:58.120 That's all it is.

01:33:58.700 I mean, it's...

01:33:59.420 And then they...

01:34:00.260 And, Cole, you were...

01:34:01.420 I'm sorry.

01:34:01.960 I don't know if I'm supposed to say your name, but it's too late now.

01:34:03.900 Whatever, I don't care.

01:34:04.700 We've said it before.

01:34:05.900 I figure.

01:34:06.340 Yeah.

01:34:06.740 But, like, you said that they just can't deal with the fact that the Libertarian Party is

01:34:11.160 not what they wanted it to be.

01:34:12.400 It's because their identity is so associated with them being that big fish in the small

01:34:17.220 pond.

01:34:17.680 They are the hot shit in the small pond that is the LP right now.

01:34:21.520 Or they were.

01:34:22.400 And now that they're being, like, phased out of it, now that they're being shown that,

01:34:25.520 okay, you're not really what we are, and you're not really fucking, you know, you're

01:34:29.200 not the popular people.

01:34:30.140 You're not the people that are liked.

01:34:31.460 Well, they thought they had popularity.

01:34:32.900 They thought they were liked before.

01:34:34.220 And now that they're being proven wrong in that aspect, then they're fucking...

01:34:37.360 They're starting to hate themselves because they've attached their identity to that.

01:34:41.180 So whenever the Mises Caucus and actual good Libertarians come in and expose, like, you

01:34:45.400 guys are not fucking Libertarians.

01:34:46.600 You guys are just neoliberals.

01:34:47.700 And I'm showing you right now with, like, solid receipts.

01:34:50.420 What are they going to do?

01:34:51.300 That's their entire identity.

01:34:53.180 Well, and now they're, like, pulling this, like, they're seemingly pulling a bunch of

01:34:57.040 bullshit just to hang on to these, like, big fish in small pond roles, right?

01:35:03.080 Because that's the only type of power they've ever had, and they can't lose it.

01:35:06.980 Yeah.

01:35:07.320 Do any of y'all, like, I can't even think through...

01:35:10.980 I don't think that these people understand the gravity of what they're doing.

01:35:14.320 They're committing fraud.

01:35:15.720 They're committing theft.

01:35:17.080 Literal theft.

01:35:17.980 According to Michael Hyde, they stole, well, Israel.

01:35:21.200 They stole actual physical goods from storage units and storage lockers, like, he specifically

01:35:31.420 mentioned, like, podiums and shit like that, but also the information from voters or from

01:35:36.460 LP members that voted for the, you know, delegates who voted for the XCOM that was in charge and

01:35:44.020 is technically still officially in charge.

01:35:45.800 It hasn't been all fucking...

01:35:46.700 And, like, credit cards, too, didn't they?

01:35:48.080 Right.

01:35:48.360 Well, that's what I'm getting, like, information.

01:35:49.880 This is legitimate...

01:35:50.960 There's your quote, Jose.

01:35:51.980 Have fun standing...

01:35:52.800 I was going to say stolen podium.

01:35:56.040 You're talking about the people that were at the Capitol on January 6th.

01:36:00.180 But the fact...

01:36:00.880 Were they the same people?

01:36:01.960 The fact is that these people have committed theft and fraud on a scale I don't think they

01:36:07.360 realize they've done.

01:36:08.800 And it's like...

01:36:09.620 The way I...

01:36:10.200 The thing I compared it to in the Mises Caucus Discord was, like, the thing with the LP

01:36:14.700 Pennsylvania where they basically just used a bylaw that had never been used before.

01:36:18.900 They always waved it in the past to keep people from voting, to keep the Mises people from

01:36:23.620 getting elected or whatever you would...

01:36:25.320 I don't know if elected.

01:36:26.040 I like that as the right term.

01:36:27.940 Right.

01:36:29.060 But it just kicks the can down the road.

01:36:31.580 This is that, but, like, times a thousand because they're actually committing criminal

01:36:36.340 offenses.

01:36:36.960 And I don't mean criminal as in the state thinks it's bad.

01:36:39.700 I mean criminal as in they're violating people's property rights, like a real libertarian version

01:36:43.720 of the law.

01:36:44.460 Right?

01:36:44.800 They're actually violating the NAP.

01:36:46.800 So all these people that are getting pissed off at Pete Quinonez for saying, go show up

01:36:51.360 armed and take it back, they're the fucking stupid ones.

01:36:54.780 Fraud has been committed.

01:36:55.940 The theft has been committed.

01:36:56.920 The NAP has been violated.

01:36:58.560 If somebody broke into your house, the NAP has been violated.

01:37:01.020 You have the right to use defensive fucking violence to get them out of your house.

01:37:04.860 It's a similar thing here.

01:37:06.180 Something has been stolen.

01:37:07.200 You have a right to use defensive violence to take it back.

01:37:09.360 And I'm not advocating for violence specifically, but I'm saying the NAP has been violated by

01:37:13.660 a libertarian definition.

01:37:15.100 So for these people to be bitching about Pete Quinonez saying, go back armed and take

01:37:18.540 it, that's fucking pathetic.

01:37:20.080 It's absolutely pathetic.

01:37:21.180 I will give them, though, to act in that way to be playing into their hand.

01:37:25.860 And I'm the resident agorist, so I think this is all dumb.

01:37:29.240 So I would actually, part of me kind of hesitates to advise against it because I actually revel

01:37:34.660 in the chaos and would love you guys to do that.

01:37:37.060 So, like, yeah, go fucking show up with guns and go fucking do that shit.

01:37:40.680 That would be super awesome.

01:37:42.220 Disregard what I just said.

01:37:43.360 I got that.

01:37:44.080 But I don't think that would work out so well.

01:37:47.120 I want to go back to what.

01:37:47.700 It would be crazy.

01:37:49.040 I want to go back to what Rothbardian said.

01:37:50.960 Rothbardian, were you the one that did the poll on, would you rather your children to

01:37:56.560 grow up to be a Beltway Libertarian or an actual communist?

01:37:59.360 That was me, stupid.

01:38:00.460 That was, I'm going to remember.

01:38:01.640 No, Rothbardian did do a poll recently.

01:38:05.540 You're probably confusing it because she said, would you rather 1,000 trans people be murdered

01:38:09.820 per year without any taxation, like taxation was eliminated, or 40 trans people murdered

01:38:16.580 a year and we still have taxation?

01:38:18.040 Wait a minute.

01:38:18.420 Wasn't that a Jeremy?

01:38:19.960 That's right.

01:38:20.700 That was a riff off Jeremy.

01:38:23.080 Rothbardian made the poll to make it.

01:38:25.800 I actually thought about doing a poll like that, but I wound up not doing it.

01:38:28.400 So it's funny that somebody else did.

01:38:29.580 I think the no tax is one by 90%.

01:38:32.780 Yeah.

01:38:33.360 It's one by a lot.

01:38:34.540 And it should have.

01:38:35.540 It should have.

01:38:36.500 Yeah.

01:38:38.500 Where did that come from, Jeremy?

01:38:39.920 Do you remember the origin of the whole thing?

01:38:42.060 It was a Brianna Cole thing.

01:38:43.240 It was responding to Brianna Cole saying that transphobia is a worse problem than the state.

01:38:50.360 Oh, that's right.

01:38:51.380 I remember.

01:38:52.200 I didn't really think that.

01:38:53.440 That is insane.

01:38:54.700 Yeah.

01:38:55.220 Yeah.

01:38:55.460 Well, we're all blocked by her, so we don't know anymore.

01:38:59.200 Well, she's private.

01:39:00.760 Oh, well, that's true.

01:39:03.020 Yeah.

01:39:03.260 It was something to do with Dave saying we need to focus on the real issues and we're not

01:39:06.360 worried about the trans genocide that fucking Spike Cohen tweeted about or whatever.

01:39:10.860 It's like, do you really think, you know?

01:39:12.760 It's not real.

01:39:13.800 It's not a real thing.

01:39:15.360 I mean, like, look, again, I have no problem with people being trans.

01:39:20.180 It's like, trans murder is not a real – 40 trans people are murdered a year.

01:39:24.240 There's no disproportionate rate of murder against trans people.

01:39:27.060 It's just not a real phenomenon.

01:39:28.400 These people make up these things that aren't based in reality.

01:39:32.360 Right.

01:39:32.680 And actually, murder is so many more.

01:39:34.140 That's big to me, Jeremy.

01:39:34.940 Right.

01:39:35.340 Well, there's this dude, Josh Ferguson, who I don't think has, like, nearly enough followers.

01:39:40.220 He's got a YouTube channel, which – I wish I remember the name of it.

01:39:43.740 Hourly Struggle.

01:39:44.700 Hourly Struggle.

01:39:45.540 He broke that down and actually went – like, he found, like, all the cases of trans murder

01:39:50.220 that he could find, and it was, like, the majority of them.

01:39:52.560 He was shitting on Spike because Spike made some gay-ass blame.

01:39:56.100 Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

01:39:57.360 Yeah, and almost all of them were, like, domestic issues where, like, the people knew each other.

01:40:01.540 Well, that's almost all murders, in fairness.

01:40:03.080 Right, exactly.

01:40:03.960 No, I know, but that's – like, that was the point.

01:40:05.920 Yeah.

01:40:07.120 Like, there weren't –

01:40:07.720 Wait, trans people have domestic problems too?

01:40:09.040 He found there was a super high percentage of cases that were domestic in which it was

01:40:16.280 someone who didn't know about the fact they were trans.

01:40:19.740 Really?

01:40:20.560 That's – yeah, that's true, yeah.

01:40:21.700 I vaguely remember.

01:40:22.660 Don't get me wrong.

01:40:23.080 Don't quote me.

01:40:23.620 It's been a while since I watched that video.

01:40:25.320 But it's like – I mean, don't get me wrong.

01:40:27.220 If you go to – if you fucking find a trap and you fucking bang it and there's a wiener

01:40:31.740 at the end and you feel fucked up about it, it doesn't make it okay to murder them.

01:40:35.860 But, I mean, I can sympathize to some extent.

01:40:39.840 Well, if we're going to talk about this, I had a – I didn't make a tweet.

01:40:43.520 I had a tweet that I thought up in my head that I sent to the group chat.

01:40:46.920 Nobody tweeted it.

01:40:47.900 You told me to tweet it.

01:40:48.540 You told me to tweet it.

01:40:49.300 I didn't want to do it, but I'll say it here because I don't care about this channel.

01:40:53.980 My question was, can you really call it – can you really – we talk about transgender

01:40:59.220 suicide a lot, but can you really say that it's suicide when it's your real self

01:41:03.560 killing your fake self?

01:41:05.860 Oh, God.

01:41:08.280 I can't make that tweet.

01:41:10.380 I can't do it.

01:41:10.940 Well, you wanted me to do it, and I was like, I can't make it after I already got a 12-hour

01:41:14.860 for tweeting.

01:41:15.800 Oh, that's nice.

01:41:17.080 Yeah, but you said it.

01:41:17.940 I'll do it.

01:41:18.480 I keep avoiding bans.

01:41:20.100 I'll do it.

01:41:20.760 My bans was for –

01:41:22.380 Everyone looks like I'm going to get in trouble.

01:41:24.720 My 12-hour bans was –

01:41:25.780 My 12-hour was trans people can't take jokes, but they can take a bullet.

01:41:31.740 Yeah.

01:41:33.660 And I got a 12-hour for that one.

01:41:35.620 All right.

01:41:35.840 We're getting a little long in the tooth, and I want to be honest with you for Jeremy's

01:41:38.900 time.

01:41:39.300 Do you guys have anything else you guys want to ask Jeremy before we get him like even

01:41:43.360 more fucking not in the LP?

01:41:47.220 Jeremy, do you see yourself – do you see you getting the LP NH back?

01:41:51.300 Do you see that?

01:41:51.920 Oh, yeah.

01:41:52.240 Do you think it's happening?

01:41:53.340 100%.

01:41:53.820 The question is what happens at National.

01:41:56.580 And by the way, the LP needs me.

01:41:58.160 I don't need the LP.

01:41:59.500 That's true.

01:42:00.260 100%.

01:42:01.060 That's true.

01:42:03.120 Jeremy, where can people find you?

01:42:05.020 You can find me at my full name on Twitter, at Jeremy Kaufman.

01:42:09.380 You can also check out the website, ODYSE.com.

01:42:12.720 It's very popular.

01:42:13.700 You might like it.

01:42:14.520 It's like YouTube five or ten years ago.

01:42:17.220 And you should also follow LP and H.

01:42:19.360 You can follow the real handle because we're going to get it back.

01:42:21.580 And we're also tweeting at MisesCaucasNH for the next several days.

01:42:27.220 Shout out to Drew Hancock.

01:42:28.540 Works for Odyssey.

01:42:29.200 That's right.

01:42:29.800 My boy.

01:42:30.900 Drew Hancock.

01:42:31.900 He's good.

01:42:32.700 Go fucking – make sure to like, share, subscribe, fucking Tower Gang.

01:42:35.860 Nick, you want to drop your plugs?

01:42:37.880 No.

01:42:40.360 I'm just happy that Jeremy said he was a fan.

01:42:45.260 That satisfied everything I wanted.

01:42:48.640 Jose, drop yours.

01:42:49.780 Drop yours, Jose.

01:42:50.440 Yep, yep.

01:42:51.060 Fucking No Way, Jose YouTube channel.

01:42:52.580 I'm also everywhere.

01:42:53.220 Audio podcasts are at fucking –

01:42:56.900 Who's coming on?

01:42:57.740 Who's coming on?

01:42:58.860 I just had Jeremy Todd.

01:43:00.340 I'll drop that next week.

01:43:01.840 It's funny because it's like the yin to the yang of this episode because he's like more the like, well, we need to be –

01:43:07.580 Okay, I don't want to be mean because he actually has a legit point.

01:43:10.060 He's more like we need to have – like he actually likes LPKY, but it's more like he's of the opinion that we need to have like more of a point.

01:43:17.580 We're going to have a constructive reason where – I mean I can see that, but he's also more focused on converting normies, whereas I don't give a shit.

01:43:26.100 I'm more about the remnant.

01:43:27.700 I'm more about fucking – I want to further divide.

01:43:30.540 I want to create spaces for sadists to go and create spaces for us to go.

01:43:35.180 So I kind of don't give a shit.

01:43:36.460 I mean don't get me wrong.

01:43:37.300 Normies is great, but that's not my concern.

01:43:40.640 I'm trying to fucking expand the remnant.

01:43:43.600 But anyways, yeah.

01:43:44.740 Fucking Joe Bishop Henshin needs to go to fucking Gitmo.

01:43:48.580 That's not all against fucking libertarian theory.

01:43:52.540 He has to pay for his crimes one way or another.

01:43:54.620 They're fucking – and I don't even like political shit.

01:43:57.580 I just think he's a fucking sleazebag, and he broke the NAP.

01:44:00.240 So let's fucking do it.

01:44:02.260 Gitmo, baby.

01:44:05.520 Hey, Jeremy, it was great.

01:44:06.860 It was good to be on with you guys again.

01:44:08.320 See you next week.

01:44:09.600 Cheers.

01:44:10.260 Good night.

01:44:11.080 All right.

01:44:12.400 Peace.

01:44:15.180 Broadcast is ending.

01:44:17.000 Fat – Cole, that's your real name?

01:44:19.260 Wait, wait, wait.

01:44:19.800 It's still live.

01:44:20.880 It's still live.

01:44:21.460 No, it's Fat Dave.

01:44:22.380 What are you talking about?

01:44:22.940 Don't see the internet yet.

01:44:24.160 Fucking streamers suck around.

01:44:27.320 So what's going on about the blacks?

01:44:28.560 Joe Bishop Henshin is fake and gay.

01:44:31.480 No, he's real and gay.

01:44:33.040 I didn't want to ask you on the show.

01:44:35.580 I just wanted to know if you're actually the Fat Dave.

01:44:37.600 Why is this taking so long to end?

01:44:39.020 Is it still showing live on your end?

01:44:40.280 It is, yeah.

01:44:40.900 It's whatever.

Tower Gang - July 20, 2021

Ep 15 - Joe Bishop-Henchman to Gitmo w⧸ Jeremy Kauffman

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Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

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