Cole and Ben are joined by Jared Taylor to talk about White Nationalism and the cost of sperm. Plus, a story about a man who keeps a collection of uncircumcised dicks in his fridge. Also, the price of sperm has gone up 2,800% since the last time someone donated.
00:12:19.300I mean, it's so obvious that this is why I harp on the insidiousness of the left.
00:12:25.320Because they will take over time and gradually take as many pieces and as things as they can get a hold of.
00:12:32.580And then they'll tell you that it's good for you the entire time.
00:12:35.320And this is the failure of democracy, not only failure of democracy, but there's so much cognitive dissonance wrapped up in this illusion, this thought that, oh, we're a grand, wonderful democracy.
00:12:48.840So to break out of that takes way more effort than to just accept whatever is happening.
00:12:55.420So to say, oh, well, we're not – especially boomer cons.
00:12:59.320Boomer cons are the worst because they're like, oh, we're not a democracy.
00:14:25.040And, you know, all of the shit, like – do you guys remember, like, all the stuff that was going on in Europe with all the referendums and stuff with the immigration stuff?
00:14:32.880And then they're like, we're going to vote until you get it right?
00:18:40.640By the way, the other thing I always see whenever people talk about Hopla is that they fundamentally misunderstand what argumentation ethics is.
00:18:53.560They don't understand what it is in the first place or what it's trying to prove.
00:18:58.320They think it's just trying to prove, basically, that, because I literally saw a comment from, I believe, a blue check or something like that, another Kato fag in there, that was just like, oh, but since you're arguing with me, that proves me right.
00:19:11.320And I'm like, that's not what argumentation ethics is talking about.
00:19:23.400Yeah, he said, essentially, he said that, like, oh, yeah, Hoppe created an argument where if anybody disagrees with him, then that means that they're automatically wrong.
00:19:31.080And that's not the point of argumentation ethics at all.
00:19:35.200Like, is it like, if you're going to criticize somebody, especially somebody who is like a giant in our circles, or like, you know, as much as they want him not to be, it's still like the premier guy that's alive.
00:19:48.720And then they just, like, throw something out there like that, where it's just like, yeah, like, if you disagree with him, it automatically goes against his own argument.
00:19:56.340Like, how is that intellectual at all?
00:20:11.400And actually, we were arguing, we were not really arguing about it, but, you know, Jose was talking, Jose Galison, who's another host of our show, in our group chat, like, a couple weeks ago, we were talking about argumentation ethics, because we were talking about what he was, again, even him, he's an agorist, and he reads a lot.
00:20:32.220And I actually tweeted out a bunch of, like, chunks of this argument.
00:20:36.040Yeah, yeah, and basically, like, he was just, he didn't realize that what it's even trying to prove, and I was just like, it's not trying to prove that you, how did I put it, because we were talking about where rights come from, and I was just like, like, oh, argumentation doesn't prove property rights.
00:20:53.820It's like, it's like, it is the stepping stone to get to property rights.
00:21:54.140And I voted for the guy in, like, the, I think it was the House primaries or something like that, because I'm a member of the GOP.
00:22:03.220So, that guy, you know, he was one of the only guys that, like, appealed to me, even though he was kind of, like, neocon-y.
00:22:10.460But, like, that's why I'm interested in watching the conversation.
00:22:13.780I want to see how Pete does with him, just because, like, I don't know how that combination happened, but it's really interesting.
00:22:23.060Because it's two, like, guys who are right wing, but it's, like, two kind of, like, that guy's more of, like, a, more of a populace and a neocon, but still has that, like, I'm a military guy kind of gimmick.
00:24:28.740I heard of this idea called democracy.
00:24:30.740Which kind of goes back to what Cole was saying before, which I'm going to disagree with a little bit, where you're talking about rule of the few, essentially, versus rule of the many.
00:24:42.880I think kind of the point, one of the points that Hoppe is making is that rule of the few could wind up being better, especially because you don't have that line blurring between who is the state and who is not the state anymore.
00:24:57.440It's like, yeah, the state is this guy.
00:24:59.660He is the ruler, so they can get away with less.
00:25:02.100Yeah, it's more rule of one versus rule of all, I would say, is, well, de facto rule of all compared to democracy.
00:25:10.900But, yeah, that's essentially it, where his argument was that people were like, there's no confusion about who the state is under a monarchy.
00:25:23.140It's not like, yeah, like how we were talking about when all that shit came out for the Patriot Act or whatever.
00:25:33.020And then everybody was like, oh, well, we voted for this, so there must be some sort of merit to it.
00:25:38.620And in a monarchy, everyone's just like, nah, that's not cool, dude.
00:25:41.980And they just, they just throw in the castle or something like that.
00:25:45.620Yeah, and in this situation, who the fuck are you mad at?
00:26:49.660But then there's also the diversion between, you know, the governor and the state, you know, your state representatives and things like that.
00:29:02.380But what he's talking about there is we talked about the laws last episode on Monday.
00:29:08.220So I'm not going to get too much into that, how they fine people for demanding proof of vaccination.
00:29:12.640But a point that Lobster has been making is we're going to make where we want to be basically toxic and poisonous for progressives to want to be here.
00:29:23.800So basically chasing them out as a way to de facto create that covenant of decentralized conservatism or whatever the fuck is going on in Florida.
00:29:36.560I mean, my whole thing has been from the beginning is I have a very specific strategy I put on Twitter.
00:29:42.200And one of the key points is you have to make the environment as divisive as possible.
00:29:48.500Because if people are divisive and they hate each other and they don't want to be with each other, what's the natural thing for people to do?
00:29:55.280It's either fight with the motherfucker or leave, right?
00:29:58.880So the more divisive it is, the more hostile you make it towards people you don't like.
00:30:03.480And this is the left's tactic, too, because they're going to push it on you.
00:30:47.460And I don't know if you saw recently, Portland, Oregon, the mayor was floating out.
00:30:52.060I don't know if they're actually going to do it, but floating out the idea of, at least for government employees, not allowing trade or travel with Texas anymore.
00:31:11.780I would love to see the country try to turn on the flyover states, like over the Midwest.
00:31:18.140It would be really – just to see the elites, the Eastern – the Atlantic states and basically the Pacific states of all of the elites, the more blue states and stuff like that, turn on the Midwest states.
00:31:33.320Because they would be fucked in, like, a matter of months.
00:32:01.240That was the Massachusetts Mises Caucus.
00:32:04.780That was the one tweet that they had that really got people pissed off today.
00:32:08.380It wasn't necessarily the slavery thing, but they called basically the coastal liberal elites rootless cosmopolitans, which I guess – I didn't even know this – is actually a slur that was used in the Stalinist Soviet Union for the Jews.
00:32:24.760So then we all got called anti-Semitic too.
00:34:06.800And this is just another form of that.
00:34:08.300And they're trying to suppress us in any way they can.
00:34:10.600And this is a tool that they use, and people need to realize that very quickly.
00:34:14.200Yeah, look at the conversation around like undereducation in areas that are deeply red whenever they talk about like how they just say, oh, these people are stupid because they don't go to college.
00:34:29.740They don't go to these urban universities.
00:34:32.080They don't understand how the real world works, a.k.a. how just urban, disgusting, just ways of life that are entirely dependent on living on top of one another and just political dominance whenever possible.
00:34:49.080I mean, it's just they call these people like stupid whenever the people in the rural areas just like just want to work hard and be left alone.
00:35:02.460Like if we're looking at this just purely from a strategic point of view is you make people think that they're stupid and, you know, they're ignorant and you've got to leave and you've got to come to the city and be a super smart guy.
00:36:51.220And the thing that I think about them being so radical, what you were saying there, Toad, is that if you add if you want 10 things and then the, you know, the fucking gutless conservatives will say no, but they'll give you two things.
00:37:06.800The line has moved over to when those move that far to the left.
00:37:10.400So that's that's where the failure of the right is.
00:37:12.980It's not going on the offense, but staying on the defense, but just staying on the defense isn't enough.
00:37:17.600Yeah, we need to be not not non-compromising.
00:37:21.440We need to push so hard into such ridiculous, like far rightism that it that it would scare the shit out of your average conservative.
00:37:29.940Like that's how far that's what we need to do, because the moment that we do that and we start pulling people our way, the middle is going to move.
00:37:37.040And that that, of course, is a long term strategy.
00:37:39.220I'm much more in favor of doing, you know, hop a strategy.
00:37:42.620But, you know, as Jeff Dice says, you know, at the end of the day, if the left wants to be the left and go be do go off and do the left, they're going to be much better off under under doing what we want to do and separating.
00:38:07.060Maybe it'll teach some of them that you can't do this and it's not going to work.
00:38:10.440And in the meantime, we'll go colonize Mars or something because we're going to be so fucking wealthy and advanced that they're going to look like fucking cavemen.
00:45:39.420Argumentation ethics is basically a valid proof of private property rights, meaning that, you know, you go back towards self-ownership and it is private property rights because you own yourself, blah, blah, blah.
00:45:49.980But, yeah, I mean, I don't understand.
00:46:15.180And these people took, and they still use his name to promote their freaking product.
00:46:21.360Well, don't they also, like, they're the types of people that also lump Rothbard in with the Koch brothers, right, or lump libertarians in with them, call them, yeah, Koch brother allies or some shit like that.
00:46:35.320Yeah, I just, like, I, over the years, you know, developing and learning libertarianism, you kind of do waffle back and forth between, okay, well, Cato's got some good articles here and there on these various issues and things like that.
00:46:49.800And that's how they reel these people in, right, because you're like, oh, well, the left really hates the Koch bros.
00:46:55.740You know, they must be all right because, you know, the enemy of my enemy, you know, and all that.
00:46:59.960But then you really learn, like, no, they're the same.
00:47:03.000Like, they're hating their own reflection is what they're hating because these guys got involved with the state.
00:47:25.120But, yeah, because it's, like, because I, like, whenever I used to, like, look up, whenever I was, you know, debating people online and I would look up articles, usually you would find, like, I would look for reason articles or, you know, Davis and Cato.
00:47:37.620But by now, I'm just, like, no, fuck that.
00:47:39.460I'm going straight to the Mises Institute.
00:48:03.920I think I'm going to start doing it again because it's actually fun.
00:48:06.900And they're, like, I'll put, like, a Hoppa quote in there about, you know, like, whatever is prescient on the issue at hand in the article.
00:48:16.020And they'll just be, like, oh, Hoppa, you mean the racist guy?
00:48:38.400You know, honestly, the more they, like, do this thing of where they, like, basically gaslight you into, like, saying, like, because, like, Rothbard's a racist.
00:49:23.160Like, okay, like, yeah, he might have joined some political parties that were a little bit reactionary back in his day.
00:49:30.340But, like, whenever you call him, like, a Nazi sympathizer or something like that, it's just, like, the dude got all of his papers, like, stolen by the Nazis and had to leave.
00:50:05.080But, like, you get what I'm saying, right?
00:50:07.400Like, how, this guy was Austrian nobility, and he fled, right?
00:50:12.420He fled during this time when the Nazis were in.
00:50:14.980This has not, like, and this is why I get a little sideways when I'm talking to, like, some more hardcore right-wingers is they're like, well, you know, the Nazis did this and this and that.
00:50:25.300And I'm like, okay, the Nazis were, like, a lot of people are going to cringe when I say this, but the Nazis were fucking leftists, man.
00:50:58.560I mean, but when you compare Mises to the Nazis, Mises was way more far right, which is why it really aggravates the piss out of me when people say that Nazism is far right, when it's really just kind of authoritarian centrism.
00:51:13.560I know it's a really weird thing to hate, but whenever I see, like, the political compass, and they're just like, communism is the left version of authoritarianism, and the right version is Nazism.
00:52:47.600I was going to say—I was going to say earlier, like, I had a little phase where I was like—and when I was a Hoppian, so it wasn't like—it wasn't a long time ago when I was like, you know, just first reading Reason articles.
00:53:01.020I was like, I really tried to get over my Cato phobia, and I was like diving in and just like, you know what?
00:53:08.520Some of these obnoxious Twitter guys can't—like, they can't represent the entire organization.
00:53:13.580And then, like, I go on the site, and I'm reading everything, and I'm just like, why would I ever—why would I ever try this?
00:53:50.740I mean, I was going to say, like, Reason has gone to the point where, like, I don't even know if I can distinguish them that much—like, distinguish between them and Cato.
00:53:59.320Like, Reason's at the point where you have, like, Robbie Suave's putting out articles promoting vaccinating children and shit, which—
00:54:05.780Well, like, did you see a similar warming?
00:55:37.300And then, I think it was Robert E. Lee was trending because they were pulling down a statue of him, which I think started this whole Civil War thing, which made me just think, like, seeing how bad, like, you asked what the average American knows about the Civil War.
00:56:01.200Just to think about how it's going to be pushed for, like, this COVID stuff.
00:56:05.740Like, just think 10, 15, 20—I mean, even the 100 years from now.
00:56:09.900Oh, it's going to control the narrative.
00:56:10.760How bad it's going to—they're going to look back at this and be like, they literally fought for their lives to stop this deadly-ass virus.
00:56:17.840It's just like, they're literally just going to just rake over this bullshit all over it.
00:56:22.100Do you think that, like, that our, like, our children, whenever they come or whatever, or whenever they get older, are going to hear about Fauci getting straight up caught in a lie that the U.S. didn't fund gain-of-function research?
00:56:37.840It happened two days ago, and they're not talking about it.
00:56:53.040This shit, like, defies reality so much that it seems like it's almost going to be impossible to maintain that narrative, where I could kind of see how they could maintain, like, the war narratives more so.
00:57:05.840I think—they were—sorry, I was going to say this—they released the emails.
00:57:09.740His emails, what, a couple months ago, which did, at that point, showed he lied, and they still didn't give a fuck about it.
00:57:16.320So, I mean, there's nothing they can do.
00:57:18.740He's literally the idol of truth to power, dude.
00:57:22.640Nothing will ever happen to him, and it's going to be the same thing that happened with, you know, the Civil War.
00:59:03.980Because, I mean, look, we can get into the details, and there's lots of idiots online, especially on YouTube, that are constantly analyzing the Civil War and things like that.
00:59:14.080But at the end of the day, if you're a libertarian and you support the ideas of Murray Rothbard, I'll give you a quote.
00:59:20.400He said, the only two just wars that America ever fought was the American Revolution and the war for Southern independence.
01:00:22.940I told Utilitarian the other day, I don't think I told Utilitarian, but I said this in a chat.
01:00:27.380I was just like, Utilitarian makes a lot of sense until you start thinking about it.
01:00:31.300And basically, it literally does because you're just like, oh, it makes sense.
01:00:34.700You know, we're all going to, you know, everybody's for the common good.
01:00:37.360And then you're like, no, wait, that just means you can just kill that guy over there because he works a little bit less efficient than those guys.
01:00:44.240So that'll help out everybody else if that guy's dead.
01:00:47.760It might mean that, but I usually like, I kind of go with the approach of like, you're saying that it would be okay to kill one guy and harvest his organs to save seven people that are going to die otherwise.
01:01:03.780Which I'm sure they have some convoluted like mental gymnastics response to that to where they'll be like, no, no, no, no, that will never happen.
01:01:12.120And that's totally against what we believe, but it's like, okay, but you just take that and you multiply it by 10 million people.
01:01:18.580And basically, that's what you get just because you're making huge decisions instead of, at least it's not just one guy.
01:01:25.560You're saying thousands of people have to do this certain thing that they don't want to do.
01:01:30.300So let's, since we're harping on reason, what do you guys think about Dave Smith saying that reason needs to be part of the libertarian movement?
01:01:42.120I heard, I heard him say in Pittsburgh during the Mises caucus event, which, which I attended in a couple of months ago when he said enough libertarian infighting, we need to include the reason guys and the Cato guys and everything else.
01:02:00.920And I was just like, like that hit the rest of his speech was fantastic.
01:02:05.100I loved it, but I just put my head down and shook my head because those people hate him.
01:36:19.060He's building a reputation within the political party right now.
01:36:22.120If he didn't have anything to lose, he wouldn't have said on our show about debating other people that he has his whole reputation at stake every time he debates.
01:36:29.940Yeah, if he didn't have anything to lose, then he wouldn't have toned it down with the rhetoric.
01:36:34.980By definition, this is Ms. Essie and he's demonstrated his preference.
01:36:58.220And cautioned other people to change course.
01:37:00.760And this is kind of a symptom of that libertarians can't learn from experience.
01:37:06.100And, you know, if anything, we should have learned from the fact that during the time of the Trump-Clinton election, we had the best opportunity in history, and we fielded a joke.
01:37:29.700And then number two, Trump was immensely popular because he doubled down on fucking everything, and he didn't back off.
01:37:38.800We should have fucking learned from that and gone as hardcore as fucking possible.
01:37:42.980But they're never going to do this because they have this conception of politics as being something that the Cato Institute and the Reason magazines of the world have put into their heads that you have to be respectable.
01:37:59.380And that's what's – that is the danger of being in bed with those types of people is that's what they're going to convince you of.
01:38:06.420Look at these statistics, or look at what we did here, or look what we got done here, and here's how we did it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:38:13.360The Cato guys are still like, yes, they have a lot more reach and a lot more power than the Mises Institute, but they're still nothing.
01:40:09.280I think it's an angry atheist phenomenon, and I've talked about this before, where you're like, you want to convince people, and you think that if you're going to be an asshole, that'll work.
01:40:16.900Like, when we're talking about, like, some other things, like, I'm not saying we need to always be friendly.
01:40:21.600Like, there's certain people – but you're not trying to persuade.
01:40:24.720If you're trying to persuade, being an asshole is not a good tactic.
01:40:27.800So, I mean, not that I'm saying that every, like, interaction with people, I'm like – like, with you guys, I'm implicitly going to be like, I'm going to convince them.
01:40:36.240But it's just like, if I do at all, want you to be amenable to my ideas, me being an asshole is fucking retarded.
01:41:03.980I'm here to convert people that I know I can reach and that I know my message has bearing with.
01:41:09.360And that's all it is, and that's all it will ever be.
01:41:11.660And that's why I'm sure, like, the faggertarians or whatever they're fucking called, the faggertarians guys, they fucking despise me because I won't interact with them.
01:41:21.160And I've told everybody that's in our circle, don't fucking interact with them because you're only giving them – you're only giving them exposure.
01:41:36.800There's definitely been a bigger movement lately to just do, like, blocks and stuff, which I initially for a long time was, like, we should ridicule, then ignore.
01:41:45.120Now I'm starting to lean more towards just straight-up ignore.
01:42:22.320He's our business development guy because I can't have somebody like me –
01:42:25.640You can't have somebody autistic like me that will come on and just, like, talk for a fucking hour and talk your fucking ear off at these people and be a total fucking asshole and a prick.
01:42:37.380You'd be mad that you don't understand.
01:42:38.700And then people like Jeff Deist overhear me, and they're like, fuck, that guy's fucking autistic.
01:42:43.920Like, I'm not going to do that, right?
01:42:46.440But Taylor is a really good dude, and he's really smart, and he's very good at getting the message across without coming off like an absolute asshole like I am.
01:46:39.380That weirdly, I feel like, has worked to our success in a certain kind of way because these people are just behind the block screeching and screeching and screeching.