Tower Gang - Ep 32 - Dave Smith is a Statist 2 w⧸ Jared & Taylor from The Hoppean

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00:00:12.340 Hashtag make a play.

00:00:15.000 What's up, retards? 1.00

00:00:16.020 The funniest 9-11 joke written on 9-12. 1.00

00:00:18.460 Women jerk off dicks like fucking they're an unruly ferret. 1.00

00:00:21.260 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:22.220 You ever had a 9-11 cocktail?

00:00:24.720 It's in Manhattan with two kamikazes. 0.97

00:00:26.740 Come on in.

00:00:27.540 Now.

00:00:28.200 Now.

00:00:28.500 You see, the socialists don't have an accurate answer for this, and she needs to account for it. 0.97

00:00:33.760 White women must be stopped. 1.00

00:00:35.840 That's right. 1.00

00:00:36.700 What?

00:00:37.060 Yeah. 0.99

00:00:39.040 We can stay horny and retarded longer than she can stay sane. 1.00

00:00:43.360 What? 1.00

00:00:43.540 Your ass-to-penis ratio. 1.00

00:00:46.160 Ben, maybe you could say we had sex, but we didn't fuck. 1.00

00:00:48.580 You said n***er. 1.00

00:00:49.500 Oh, Jesus. 0.98

00:00:50.820 Whee! 1.00

00:00:52.460 Fat Dave, fuck you, man. 1.00

00:00:54.040 Whee! 1.00

00:00:55.100 Whee! 1.00

00:00:55.560 Whee! 1.00

00:00:55.820 Whee! 1.00

00:00:58.500 Good evening, everybody.

00:01:00.900 I hope you guys are doing well, because today we've got on Jared Taylor to talk to us about

00:01:05.620 white nationalism.

00:01:06.720 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:01:07.940 Jared.

00:01:08.200 That's right.

00:01:08.900 That's right.

00:01:09.980 That's what we're talking about.

00:01:12.920 I was in a different mode there.

00:01:14.180 I really wish I could do a Jared Taylor impression, because that'd be great.

00:01:16.760 Can anybody here do one?

00:01:17.660 You just say, we've got a couple of nice, young, white men to talk to us today.

00:01:24.400 I was told that's what we're doing.

00:01:25.580 How's it going, fellas?

00:01:25.840 You guys are doing all right tonight?

00:01:27.720 Yeah, doing good, man.

00:01:28.700 How are you?

00:01:29.120 Thanks for having us on.

00:01:31.420 Taylor, you good, bro?

00:01:32.640 Oh, yeah.

00:01:33.160 I'm great.

00:01:34.560 I see you have a drink in your hand earlier.

00:01:36.060 What were you drinking tonight?

00:01:37.660 An old-fashioned drink?

00:01:39.260 I see.

00:01:40.820 Sweet.

00:01:41.800 Nice.

00:01:42.980 Nice.

00:01:43.260 Cole, are you drinking Smirnoff again?

00:01:45.180 Smirnoff ice?

00:01:45.540 No, I ran all out.

00:01:46.800 I drank like five of those yesterday.

00:01:49.040 Well, we had two six-packs, and I drank probably five of them.

00:01:54.860 Wait, of Smirnoff ice?

00:01:57.000 Yes, they're delicious.

00:01:57.620 Yeah, you haven't noticed that's what he's been drinking on the past couple of shows?

00:01:59.940 They're so good.

00:02:01.760 I still have the bottles here on my desk.

00:02:04.820 He's going to collect them and put them above his bed.

00:02:06.680 There was a guy I knew in college that he would do that with IBC root beers or cream 0.96

00:02:15.580 sodas, and he literally just had a ton of fucking 25 of them in his dorm room. 1.00

00:02:22.020 I'm like, why the fuck are you collecting these stupid shits? 1.00

00:02:25.360 He's like, I just really love them, so I'm just going to keep them up there every time. 1.00

00:02:28.480 I'm like, all right, whatever. 0.97

00:02:29.020 I think he jerked off to him. 0.99

00:02:30.820 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:32.320 He fills them up with cum. 1.00

00:02:33.760 He just fills them up with cum. 0.99

00:02:36.680 Did he ever offer you one? 0.99

00:02:37.960 Just curious. 0.99

00:02:39.640 Wait, with the cum inside of it? 0.97

00:02:43.840 These are a little salty. 0.59

00:02:46.700 And he wasn't putting them in the freezer or anything?

00:02:49.860 Storing them for later?

00:02:50.820 No, he wasn't storing them for later.

00:02:52.260 They were just basically just for like, oh, you know, that's my cum bottles. 0.94

00:02:55.480 That's why you use a sock. 0.64

00:02:56.920 I use an empty IBC root beer.

00:02:58.360 So it was being sanitary, okay?

00:03:02.280 Exactly.

00:03:03.140 A little bit interesting is that now I heard that like unvaccinated men's sperm has gone

00:03:09.000 up in price like 2,800% or something.

00:03:12.060 I thought that was a parody article.

00:03:14.420 Are you sure?

00:03:15.280 I don't know.

00:03:16.140 I'm not sure.

00:03:16.580 That's why I said I thought, dude.

00:03:17.940 It was like a hell of a market.

00:03:20.080 It was like, no, this Repulosaurus, the Babylon Bee.

00:03:23.780 He was like, I read it all every day.

00:03:26.480 It's right there.

00:03:27.540 I read it.

00:03:29.520 I just wanted to cash in on it, man.

00:03:33.540 Have any of you ever actually donated sperm?

00:03:37.320 No.

00:03:38.460 Okay.

00:03:39.100 Well, let's just want to have you.

00:03:41.400 No, I haven't.

00:03:42.420 They won't let me.

00:03:46.320 I don't know if they'll let me because I used to be on HGH, but I may have done it anyway.

00:03:52.280 That's like eugenics by proxy. 0.91

00:03:54.180 They won't let you donate sperm because you have diabetes.

00:03:57.600 Yeah.

00:03:58.720 They're just like, yeah, you know all those things about equality that we always talk about 0.96

00:04:03.540 and shit. 1.00

00:04:04.180 It's all bullshit. 1.00

00:04:05.240 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:04:06.140 I'm sure the couple that walked in there to get a sperm donor is like, yeah, give me the 1.00

00:04:10.720 one with diabetes.

00:04:13.360 It's at a discount.

00:04:15.140 It's at a discount.

00:04:16.040 How about if they start, if egalitarianism goes to that point where they really start

00:04:21.820 taking that kind of sperm and you, you have, they can't tell you what kind you're getting

00:04:25.320 like, oh, this one has a donor that had HIV or this, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:04:29.320 Like all kind of weird shit. 0.99

00:04:30.600 Wheel of fortune? 0.99

00:04:33.980 You think any woman's gotten an abortion after getting donated sperm to get her pregnant?

00:04:38.820 So she's like, she's basically like returned to cinder.

00:04:42.580 Probably.

00:04:42.820 Yes, basically. 0.99

00:04:45.500 That really sucks, man.

00:04:46.800 Because now not only might I have like children out there somewhere, but I might have had a 0.99

00:04:51.220 child who was aborted.

00:04:52.380 That makes me like really mad.

00:04:53.940 That's even worse.

00:04:54.900 Probably for the best toad.

00:04:59.180 Don't be so cynical, man.

00:05:01.300 I'm unvaccinated and undiabetic, man. 1.00

00:05:04.680 Like my kids are going to be some healthy fuckers at this point. 1.00

00:05:08.920 And you stopped drinking beer, so. 1.00

00:05:11.120 That's right.

00:05:11.980 That's right.

00:05:12.880 Just forget about the stroke that I had.

00:05:15.280 Oh, sweet.

00:05:16.340 That's right.

00:05:17.000 You are.

00:05:17.580 That's why I said Taylor was probably face down in a ditch earlier.

00:05:22.720 Not yet.

00:05:25.180 That's later.

00:05:27.320 Oh, my God.

00:05:28.260 So did you guys see that they were talking about new requirements or new, like in a press

00:05:35.720 conference, Jen Psaki was asked.

00:05:37.440 Oh, yeah.

00:05:38.060 You know what I'm talking about? 1.00

00:05:39.240 I saw that stupid shit. 1.00

00:05:40.720 We're going to have new measures to try to a six pronged approach to eliminate COVID or 1.00

00:05:44.620 to, you know, help out more.

00:05:46.440 And somebody said, is this going to affect our day to day lives?

00:05:49.020 And she kind of giggled and said, it depends on if you're vaccinated.

00:05:52.380 Yeah.

00:05:53.220 My question is, like, how many prongs were there before?

00:05:57.040 Yeah.

00:05:57.440 Yeah.

00:05:58.880 Like, if this is six, how many were there before?

00:06:02.020 Like, when we were on full lockdowns, is that 12?

00:06:05.240 Well, let's say, well, why not just have more?

00:06:07.480 Why not be like, we have a 38 pronged approach to this just so we can be totally safe.

00:06:14.060 I'm like, why six?

00:06:15.920 Is it just basic?

00:06:16.900 I mean.

00:06:17.520 It's because there's going to be two more of these and it's going to be 666 because that's 0.99

00:06:22.380 where all the shit comes from. 0.99

00:06:23.380 Oh. 1.00

00:06:25.440 Nope.

00:06:25.800 Dude, don't even get me started.

00:06:27.840 I've been listening.

00:06:28.560 So I got into basically a guy on YouTube.

00:06:31.840 He was going down through the conspiracy iceberg and there's 10 levels to it.

00:06:36.140 And he has like 20 episodes of this thing.

00:06:39.800 And I've been going down it. 0.98

00:06:40.740 And I'm so today I'm super into conspiracy theories right now about the NWO and all kind of shit 0.97

00:06:47.020 like that.

00:06:47.500 So like, how does that work?

00:06:49.260 Is it like the top is like COVID's not real and like down at the bottom is like alien space 0.99

00:06:54.620 lizards are like 90% of the population and they fuck kids and shit like that? 0.99

00:06:59.280 Because that's probably true. 1.00

00:07:01.240 I like it.

00:07:01.600 Dude, it's so weird.

00:07:02.760 It's super because like at the top of basically like, okay, I think it went by what people

00:07:07.900 know and don't know.

00:07:09.840 But even though some of the ones in the like the middle tiers, I kind of knew already still,

00:07:13.480 but it was just like, okay, the normie stuff is like up at the top.

00:07:17.120 So that's just basically fake news, like stuff like that. 0.96

00:07:22.520 Like obvious propaganda and shit. 0.85

00:07:24.140 Yeah, obvious propaganda, just different.

00:07:26.280 Like I think MKUltra was like in like tier two. 0.92

00:07:30.120 How was some of this shit even conspiracy theory? 0.97

00:07:33.340 I mean, it's an actual conspiracy. 1.00

00:07:35.280 It fucking happened. 0.99

00:07:36.420 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:07:36.900 Like Operation fucking Northwoods or, you know, fucking paperclip and the fucking Nazis coming 1.00

00:07:42.700 over here and shit like that. 1.00

00:07:43.380 Yeah, like how is that a fucking theory? 1.00

00:07:46.440 It fucking happened. 1.00

00:07:47.260 There are fucking documents. 0.99

00:07:49.260 Well, one that was really funny to see was, I don't know if you, have you heard about 0.99

00:07:52.600 PRISM?

00:07:53.760 PRISM.

00:07:54.220 You know, that was the, so when the NSA did the Patric Act, PRISM is what they used to

00:07:59.780 PRISM.

00:08:00.200 The what?

00:08:00.480 The what?

00:08:00.540 The what?

00:08:01.040 The PRISM Act?

00:08:01.700 Did anybody else hear that?

00:08:03.140 I am. 1.00

00:08:03.640 Some ass. 1.00

00:08:05.360 You forgot the word. 1.00

00:08:06.720 Give him a break.

00:08:08.340 Well, he forgot the word school in PRISM.

00:08:10.820 So, but so PRISM was what was the conspiracy that the NSA was using, what they called to

00:08:18.400 use to collect all the metadata for everybody.

00:08:21.260 And for years, they were just like, no, there's no such thing as PRISM.

00:08:24.100 And then Edward Snowden just like dropped.

00:08:26.040 They were just like, oh yeah, that's totally real.

00:08:27.500 And so it was in this conspiracy thing.

00:08:30.320 And the guy was like, yeah, this is a couple of years old.

00:08:32.320 So PRISM is actually pretty much everybody accepts that it's totally real now. 0.99

00:08:37.680 But y'all motherfuckers don't know about it. 1.00

00:08:40.040 I didn't know about it before either. 0.99

00:08:41.320 That's the thing that James Clapper just blatantly outright admitted to, right?

00:08:45.000 Or no, he lied about it, I guess.

00:08:47.520 And then it was, I guess, once it was proven by Snowden that it was happening, then we knew

00:08:52.380 that it was happening.

00:08:53.000 Is that what it was?

00:08:53.520 I forget.

00:08:54.160 Yeah.

00:08:54.520 Yeah.

00:08:54.760 Probably the most depressing thing that has happened in the past, I don't know, 10, 15 0.88

00:09:02.260 years besides this COVID shit, is when they exposed that they were spying on us, every 0.94

00:09:07.620 single American, and there wasn't shooting. 0.97

00:09:10.700 Yeah.

00:09:11.340 Like, why wasn't there shooting?

00:09:14.860 Like, there should have been shooting at that point, and there was nothing.

00:09:18.280 Well, that just shows... 1.00

00:09:19.920 That's the most depressing, blackpilling thing that I can think of besides this COVID shit. 1.00

00:09:24.760 That happened, and it boggles my mind. 0.99

00:09:29.300 Well, yeah.

00:09:29.740 People didn't start shooting when being locked in their homes, essentially, either.

00:09:33.500 So, like, what was it going to take? 0.99

00:09:35.100 Like, you guys saw the Australia shit, right? 0.99

00:09:37.700 Like, they're literally in camps. 0.99

00:09:39.720 Like, they're in camps. 0.99

00:09:41.000 Like, they literally look like the fucking work camps in the South in the fucking 1800s. 0.99

00:09:46.260 Like, they literally look like that. 0.99

00:09:48.780 Like, if you look it up and compare them, they look like the fucking work camps. 1.00

00:09:52.160 How in the fuck are people letting that fucking happen? 0.99

00:09:55.600 Like, there's no way that I would let that come to my house. 1.00

00:09:58.640 I don't have to care how many...

00:10:00.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:01.680 Yeah.

00:10:02.220 97.

00:10:02.800 97.

00:10:03.480 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:03.740 Fuck that shit. 1.00

00:10:04.540 And it also shows... 1.00

00:10:06.000 Oh, my bad.

00:10:06.800 No, go ahead.

00:10:07.620 Yeah, I was just...

00:10:08.760 Like, that just shows how good they are at playing the long game.

00:10:12.680 You know what I mean?

00:10:13.100 Like, they can break people down so...

00:10:15.600 Like, bit by bit by bit.

00:10:17.640 And where they'll accept anything.

00:10:20.460 And they're just like...

00:10:21.540 Like, they'll call the guy who's blowing the whistle crazy for 10 years, 15 years, saying this is going to happen.

00:10:28.160 And then when it happens, they're just like, oh, well...

00:10:31.080 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:10:31.760 We're moving on to the next thing calling people crazy about.

00:10:34.600 Because when it happens, they're just like, oh, I'm not wrong.

00:10:37.640 We're just worried about something else now.

00:10:40.640 Honestly, they just say it's...

00:10:42.720 They just don't be like, it was obvious the whole time that this was happening.

00:10:46.040 It's like the worst form of gaslighting.

00:10:48.240 Yeah, they're like, it was happening.

00:10:50.360 Everybody accepted it.

00:10:51.520 It's totally fine.

00:10:52.580 But it's honestly a problem with... 1.00

00:10:54.280 He's talking to some fucking Hoppians. 1.00

00:10:56.100 It's a problem with democracy, because these people have the illusion that they chose this. 0.99

00:11:02.300 And then whenever you give them that, you say, okay, you chose this.

00:11:05.680 So now if you go against it, you're going against your very own choice.

00:11:09.460 You have to basically deny that you did this and say, go back on your word.

00:11:17.360 Because every time it's about like, I mean, you voted in these guys.

00:11:21.300 Or you have to come to the realization, which is extremely hard.

00:11:24.440 And there's a lot of...

00:11:25.560 There's a bit of a robot.

00:11:27.260 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:29.540 Man, I fucking hate my internet provider. 1.00

00:11:32.280 Fuck these people. 1.00

00:11:33.660 By the way, while Jared's bringing that out, we did get Michael Letwin. 1.00

00:11:37.440 Michael Letwin.

00:11:38.600 $5 from Canada.

00:11:40.180 Yeah, thanks, Michael.

00:11:41.160 He says, I want my kid to be a libertarian.

00:11:43.100 Do you have any autistic donors?

00:11:45.220 I know a few.

00:11:46.160 There's an easy way to do that. 0.96

00:11:47.860 You just whack him in the head a few times and he's good. 0.91

00:11:49.780 No, you just get him vaccinated. 0.99

00:11:57.160 Just let your wife smoke weed while she's pregnant or something. 1.00

00:12:00.200 Just be like, here you go.

00:12:01.300 Just smoke a little weed.

00:12:02.280 A couple cocktails.

00:12:03.040 Just a couple cocktails.

00:12:04.880 That's right. 1.00

00:12:06.720 What were you saying there, Jared, before I so rudely interrupted you for sounding like shit? 0.99

00:12:11.280 I don't remember. 1.00

00:12:12.320 I've got a fucking goldfish memory. 0.99

00:12:13.900 It's an illusion of choice. 1.00

00:12:17.440 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:12:17.840 Democracy.

00:12:18.580 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:19.300 I mean, it's so obvious that this is why I harp on the insidiousness of the left.

00:12:25.320 Because they will take over time and gradually take as many pieces and as things as they can get a hold of.

00:12:32.580 And then they'll tell you that it's good for you the entire time.

00:12:35.320 And this is the failure of democracy, not only failure of democracy, but there's so much cognitive dissonance wrapped up in this illusion, this thought that, oh, we're a grand, wonderful democracy.

00:12:48.840 So to break out of that takes way more effort than to just accept whatever is happening.

00:12:55.420 So to say, oh, well, we're not – especially boomer cons.

00:12:59.320 Boomer cons are the worst because they're like, oh, we're not a democracy. 1.00

00:13:03.000 We're a republic.

00:13:03.760 And I was like, oh, yeah, okay. 0.98

00:13:05.800 We're so much fucking different. 0.92

00:13:07.180 You're a democracy by proxy. 0.98

00:13:09.540 That totally avoids all the problems with democracy, right?

00:13:13.040 I mean –

00:13:13.420 Well, yeah.

00:13:14.860 Dude, honestly, a republic to me is worse than a democracy because you're literally putting it in less hands.

00:13:20.860 Yeah.

00:13:21.200 You're basically – I mean they would just be a little democracy as mob rules.

00:13:25.200 Like, well, at least the people – I mean at least the majority at that time.

00:13:28.200 And in a republic, even the majority sometimes – sometimes it's like a weird plurality that wins.

00:13:35.320 That could only be 20% of the population, but because they came out to vote or whatever.

00:13:39.880 Well, that's how it always is.

00:13:41.040 I mean –

00:13:41.680 Yeah.

00:13:41.920 Even in a direct democracy, it could be like that too.

00:13:45.900 80 million people or however many – whatever the number they say it is, is voted for Joe Biden.

00:13:50.140 That's out of, what, 330 million people?

00:13:52.700 That's a little over a quarter of the population?

00:13:56.620 Well, and that's why I harp on like – I'm really bad about when people say, well, you shouldn't vote or just don't vote.

00:14:05.640 Like, okay, well, you can – every libertarian on earth could stop voting.

00:14:09.940 Do you think that would stop them from doing what they're doing?

00:14:12.440 Right. 1.00

00:14:12.680 Like, they're going to keep fucking doing it. 1.00

00:14:14.420 There could be a fucking retard in the village. 1.00

00:14:16.440 Like, he's just raising his hand and he's like, yeah, I want that. 1.00

00:14:18.880 And we're like, look, we got somebody to agree with us.

00:14:20.780 We're doing it. 0.99

00:14:21.560 Like, they don't give two shits. 0.99

00:14:23.160 Like, they really don't. 0.99

00:14:24.340 They never have. 0.97

00:14:25.040 And, you know, all of the shit, like – do you guys remember, like, all the stuff that was going on in Europe with all the referendums and stuff with the immigration stuff? 0.98

00:14:32.880 And then they're like, we're going to vote until you get it right? 0.99

00:14:36.740 Yes.

00:14:37.060 That happened with Brexit, didn't it?

00:14:38.280 Yeah, Brexit, too.

00:14:39.160 Brexit did the same thing.

00:14:40.280 They did the vote on it like three times.

00:14:42.040 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:14:42.940 I went now.

00:14:43.680 Yeah, right. 0.98

00:14:44.560 But, like, O'Donnell did say a quote I used to say all the time when I was a fucking neocon was, 0.97

00:14:50.560 democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. 0.96

00:14:53.180 And I used to say that all the time. 1.00

00:14:55.540 Winston Churchill, that bastard. 1.00

00:14:57.300 And then once I see that now, I'm like, god damn, that's the worst fucking quote of all time. 1.00

00:15:02.500 Yeah, that's a rough one. 0.99

00:15:06.400 It would be hilarious if I could clean it and, like –

00:15:10.320 We got Robot Jared again here.

00:15:12.080 Robot Jared.

00:15:12.720 Come on, man.

00:15:14.480 Can you hear me now?

00:15:15.820 I don't know.

00:15:16.420 It happened once in pre, but then I thought everything was fine after that.

00:15:19.460 I don't know.

00:15:20.020 I don't know what the common denominator is.

00:15:21.820 I don't know what we're going to have to do with your mic, man.

00:15:33.320 It's not his mic.

00:15:34.180 It's his connection.

00:15:34.680 It's the internet.

00:15:35.220 Or your connection.

00:15:36.120 Yeah, your internet.

00:15:37.620 It's the globalists.

00:15:38.720 They're cutting him off.

00:15:40.340 That might be.

00:15:42.540 The globalists are afraid of the Hoppians is what it is.

00:15:44.800 They're really afraid of y'all.

00:15:45.800 They understand what must be done.

00:15:49.940 That's right.

00:15:50.960 That's right.

00:15:52.680 Dude, we were talking about this in pre, and I wanted to get y'all's thing on it because

00:15:57.040 I saw that Cato fag today was talking about Hoppa and basically was saying that he has 0.99

00:16:02.880 shitty opinions. 1.00

00:16:04.840 He's not a good philosopher or he's – it was just a bunch of just shitting on Hoppa and 0.99

00:16:10.220 then no rebuttal to whatever Hoppa says ever. 0.94

00:16:13.860 That's the weirdest thing is they'll never rebut what he says.

00:16:16.240 They'll either point out like the one thing he says and say that he's racist because of

00:16:21.100 the physical removal.

00:16:23.760 Yeah, everybody points at that one line, yeah, and not even what ensues after that.

00:16:28.560 So they missed the whole point.

00:16:29.960 And then they'll just be like, he's alt-right.

00:16:31.480 Yeah, I mean it's infuriating because like you said, they'll never ever refute anything

00:16:37.400 he says because they can't.

00:16:39.680 They're physically and mentally incapable of refuting Professor Hoppa's arguments, like

00:16:44.560 totally. 0.99

00:16:45.540 And then if they ever do criticize him, it's the same shit that you hear all the time from 1.00

00:16:49.600 the left. 1.00

00:16:50.160 He's a racist, a homophobe, whatever. 0.99

00:16:52.420 And what I love Hoppa's quote about this is if you're not being called a racist, a homophobe, 0.99

00:16:59.300 a sexist, whatever, then you must be doing something wrong, right?

00:17:02.960 Because clearly that's the parlance of what they're using to attack people.

00:17:09.980 And if you're not being called that, then you're not attacking the right things, right?

00:17:14.100 You're not going after the people and the people that are saying this and doing these

00:17:18.400 things. 1.00

00:17:18.660 So Powell is a fucking twink retard and he needs to be put down. 1.00

00:17:23.920 Like, I like, this is ridiculous. 1.00

00:17:30.280 Like, I'm libertarianism. 1.00

00:17:32.000 He wrote the fucking couple. 0.99

00:17:35.220 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:17:36.360 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:17:38.100 I know he's saying crazy shit now, too. 1.00

00:17:43.000 Jared is dying again. 0.99

00:17:44.580 Is Jared on 5G?

00:17:46.580 You want me to get this other super chat here?

00:17:48.780 Yeah, get the other super chat.

00:17:49.680 You got the Senate for $4.99.

00:17:51.740 Thanks, man.

00:17:52.600 Democracy is government by the people for the people, but the people are our words squared.

00:17:57.720 I love that clip so much. 0.99

00:17:59.240 But the people are retarded. 1.00

00:18:02.000 The people are retarded. 1.00

00:18:03.960 It's a government by the retarded, for the retarded, of the retarded. 1.00

00:18:08.920 And who was that guy in that clip, actually? 0.96

00:18:12.360 I don't know, but I want to find out.

00:18:13.140 I think it was a religious guy.

00:18:15.380 Muhammad Ali, right?

00:18:16.680 It was Muhammad Ali, I don't know.

00:18:19.420 I don't know.

00:18:22.640 It seemed like it was some, like, I don't know, Pakistani guru or something.

00:18:27.240 I have no idea who it actually is.

00:18:28.480 And I saw somebody be like, no, this is actually, like, a bad dude, but this clip is funny. 0.88

00:18:31.960 I'm like, I don't fucking know.

00:18:33.300 The clip is funny. 0.96

00:18:33.880 He's actually a customer service guy for ACN.

00:18:37.300 My name is Christopher.

00:18:39.920 Yeah, sure it is.

00:18:40.640 By the way, the other thing I always see whenever people talk about Hopla is that they fundamentally misunderstand what argumentation ethics is.

00:18:50.120 They can't understand it.

00:18:52.100 They don't understand it.

00:18:53.560 They don't understand what it is in the first place or what it's trying to prove.

00:18:58.320 They think it's just trying to prove, basically, that, because I literally saw a comment from, I believe, a blue check or something like that, another Kato fag in there, that was just like, oh, but since you're arguing with me, that proves me right. 0.98

00:19:11.320 And I'm like, that's not what argumentation ethics is talking about.

00:19:13.120 That's not what it is at all.

00:19:14.380 It's not just like, if you argue with me, I'm right.

00:19:16.860 It's just.

00:19:17.380 People really think that's what, well, I'm not surprised.

00:19:19.360 I shouldn't be surprised.

00:19:20.100 No, yeah.

00:19:20.560 That's what I think.

00:19:21.260 I didn't.

00:19:21.420 Yeah.

00:19:21.900 It's crazy when you get into it.

00:19:23.400 Yeah, he said, essentially, he said that, like, oh, yeah, Hoppe created an argument where if anybody disagrees with him, then that means that they're automatically wrong.

00:19:31.080 And that's not the point of argumentation ethics at all.

00:19:35.200 Like, is it like, if you're going to criticize somebody, especially somebody who is like a giant in our circles, or like, you know, as much as they want him not to be, it's still like the premier guy that's alive.

00:19:48.720 And then they just, like, throw something out there like that, where it's just like, yeah, like, if you disagree with him, it automatically goes against his own argument.

00:19:56.340 Like, how is that intellectual at all?

00:19:58.180 And it's just like, you're lost.

00:20:00.980 You're lying. 1.00

00:20:02.540 You're stupid or both. 1.00

00:20:05.420 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:06.380 Or you're fucking twink queer. 1.00

00:20:07.960 That's what it is. 1.00

00:20:10.360 There's a third option.

00:20:11.400 And actually, we were arguing, we were not really arguing about it, but, you know, Jose was talking, Jose Galison, who's another host of our show, in our group chat, like, a couple weeks ago, we were talking about argumentation ethics, because we were talking about what he was, again, even him, he's an agorist, and he reads a lot.

00:20:32.220 And I actually tweeted out a bunch of, like, chunks of this argument.

00:20:36.040 Yeah, yeah, and basically, like, he was just, he didn't realize that what it's even trying to prove, and I was just like, it's not trying to prove that you, how did I put it, because we were talking about where rights come from, and I was just like, like, oh, argumentation doesn't prove property rights.

00:20:53.820 It's like, it's like, it is the stepping stone to get to property rights.

00:20:58.080 It's just prove that you will prove.

00:20:59.800 Yeah, it's like, of the kind of factual, right?

00:21:03.660 So, yeah.

00:21:04.900 Of self-ownership.

00:21:05.940 Exactly, yeah.

00:21:06.880 I mean, if you declare something, but you have to be logically true.

00:21:12.580 Jared is Jared.

00:21:14.340 Yeah, whenever we get, what is it, 5G interference?

00:21:18.480 Whenever we get 5G, Jared, I'll go to another super chat here.

00:21:22.040 And Fubadu, $5, thanks, man.

00:21:24.640 Pete Quinonez is on TimCast, which, yes, he is right now. 0.96

00:21:27.680 Everybody go watch that instead of this gay show. 1.00

00:21:31.720 Yes, everybody go watch Pete. 1.00

00:21:33.440 We won't give a fuck. 1.00

00:21:34.860 Go give TimCast hundreds of your dollars. 1.00

00:21:39.000 Go give that corporate fuck a bunch of money. 1.00

00:21:43.220 No, I am going to go, I'm going to watch that one later. 1.00

00:21:45.240 I'm actually really interested, because Pete's on with the guy who's running for Senate in PA.

00:21:52.040 And I'm from Pennsylvania.

00:21:53.300 I'm from Pittsburgh.

00:21:54.140 And I voted for the guy in, like, the, I think it was the House primaries or something like that, because I'm a member of the GOP.

00:22:03.220 So, that guy, you know, he was one of the only guys that, like, appealed to me, even though he was kind of, like, neocon-y.

00:22:10.460 But, like, that's why I'm interested in watching the conversation.

00:22:13.780 I want to see how Pete does with him, just because, like, I don't know how that combination happened, but it's really interesting.

00:22:23.060 Because it's two, like, guys who are right wing, but it's, like, two kind of, like, that guy's more of, like, a, more of a populace and a neocon, but still has that, like, I'm a military guy kind of gimmick.

00:22:39.320 Oh, the, yeah.

00:22:40.760 Yeah, like, Sean Parnell is his name.

00:22:42.420 And I believe that's who he's on with.

00:22:45.740 I was drunk whenever I read the tweet announcement.

00:22:48.760 If anybody would like to fact check me, please, before I go on any longer.

00:22:52.960 I was past time to go.

00:22:54.340 I can go check.

00:22:56.200 Yeah, I'm going right now.

00:22:59.060 Tog, you're unmuted. 1.00

00:23:00.320 No, no.

00:23:01.160 I'm muted because I was going to go tight.

00:23:03.380 Yeah, Sean Parnell.

00:23:04.860 All right, Sean Parnell.

00:23:06.020 And I'm pretty sure they spelled Pete's name wrong.

00:23:09.960 It's not?

00:23:10.680 That's not hard to do.

00:23:12.420 They have it Q-I-U-I-N-O-N-E-S. 1.00

00:23:16.920 Q-I-U-N-E-S? 1.00

00:23:18.060 Q-I-U-N-E-S. 1.00

00:23:18.820 Everybody fucking pronounces his name wrong, and it bugs me. 0.99

00:23:22.680 Well, Dave pronounces it wrong. 0.99

00:23:25.140 Q-I-U-N-E-S or Q-I-U-N-E-S. 0.99

00:23:27.820 Like, come on.

00:23:29.260 Well, he's Puerto Rican, man.

00:23:30.580 You can't expect people to get his name right.

00:23:33.800 Jared, are you a lot?

00:23:34.900 Yeah, I'm here.

00:23:36.320 Can you guys hear me?

00:23:37.280 Yes, sir.

00:23:37.780 I'm sorry about this, guys.

00:23:39.940 I really am.

00:23:40.360 Don't worry, dude.

00:23:40.980 It's fine.

00:23:41.240 It's not going to happen. 0.99

00:23:43.060 I'm literally going to call Spectrum tomorrow and cuss the fuck out of whatever Indian dude 1.00

00:23:48.540 I get a hold of. 0.98

00:23:49.460 How appropriate for a libertarian to have an internet provider called Spectrum.

00:23:54.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:55.960 Well, we're blaming the three-letter agencies for this anyway, so... 0.88

00:23:59.620 Like you said, Nick, he's going to get that guy that's the retarded guy. 1.00

00:24:06.920 Have you heard of this idea called democracy?

00:24:12.960 I'm sorry about going on the internet.

00:24:15.620 Jared's going to be like, hold on.

00:24:17.000 Don't get me started because you're going to be on the phone with me for three and a half hours now.

00:24:20.340 And we're going to talk about how monarchy is so much better than democracy.

00:24:23.440 I'm sorry you're upset, sir.

00:24:28.740 I heard of this idea called democracy.

00:24:30.740 Which kind of goes back to what Cole was saying before, which I'm going to disagree with a little bit, where you're talking about rule of the few, essentially, versus rule of the many.

00:24:42.880 I think kind of the point, one of the points that Hoppe is making is that rule of the few could wind up being better, especially because you don't have that line blurring between who is the state and who is not the state anymore.

00:24:57.440 It's like, yeah, the state is this guy.

00:24:59.660 He is the ruler, so they can get away with less.

00:25:02.100 Yeah, it's more rule of one versus rule of all, I would say, is, well, de facto rule of all compared to democracy.

00:25:10.900 But, yeah, that's essentially it, where his argument was that people were like, there's no confusion about who the state is under a monarchy.

00:25:23.140 It's not like, yeah, like how we were talking about when all that shit came out for the Patriot Act or whatever.

00:25:33.020 And then everybody was like, oh, well, we voted for this, so there must be some sort of merit to it. 0.96

00:25:38.620 And in a monarchy, everyone's just like, nah, that's not cool, dude.

00:25:41.980 And they just, they just throw in the castle or something like that. 0.99

00:25:45.620 Yeah, and in this situation, who the fuck are you mad at? 0.99

00:25:49.200 Who do you get angry at? 0.99

00:25:50.500 Who do you go after?

00:25:51.860 Your neighbor.

00:25:52.460 That's another, you know, that's another argument for another thing that Hapa, what must be done, like getting involved in local politics.

00:26:02.000 It's a lot easier.

00:26:03.500 That's like, it's the same principle.

00:26:05.340 You know who to go after.

00:26:06.500 You know who to talk to.

00:26:07.560 You know who to reach out to.

00:26:09.400 And it's a lot easier to do that.

00:26:11.860 Like, logistically, it's a lot easier to do that. 1.00

00:26:14.520 Your mayor lives in your fucking town. 0.99

00:26:16.600 Like, your city councilmen live right there. 1.00

00:26:18.700 You can go there.

00:26:19.340 You know where they live.

00:26:20.200 You can probably get their phone numbers.

00:26:21.840 So you know who and how to go after them.

00:26:24.900 You know who's neck to choke.

00:26:26.700 That too.

00:26:27.740 Well, yeah.

00:26:29.240 Some of it is still the line blurring, though, because of the, like, I'm in a state where everybody knows where the governor's house is. 0.99

00:26:35.760 And people have gone to his house and protested and shit. 0.93

00:26:39.200 Whether or not he's there most of the time, I don't know. 0.99

00:26:41.600 But people know where he lives, and they could do that.

00:26:44.500 But there isn't that will to do that.

00:26:46.460 And I'm not saying they necessarily should either.

00:26:48.760 But yeah.

00:26:49.660 But then there's also the diversion between, you know, the governor and the state, you know, your state representatives and things like that.

00:26:57.620 Right.

00:26:57.920 So you're going to go and vote for your state representative.

00:27:00.200 And then he's going to come back and say, well, I couldn't do anything.

00:27:02.460 Or I did this.

00:27:03.840 Or I tried to do that.

00:27:04.940 And then it's like, well, we'll try again next time. 1.00

00:27:07.880 No, fuck that. 1.00

00:27:08.780 Let's just fucking leave and do our own fucking thing. 1.00

00:27:11.100 And then if people decide to fuck up, well, then we'll fuck them up. 1.00

00:27:15.680 You know, that's the way it works. 0.99

00:27:17.200 Somebody put in the comment, democracy, the god that failed.

00:27:20.180 Hop.

00:27:20.400 I've never heard of this.

00:27:21.340 Is that something you should know about?

00:27:23.700 Yeah.

00:27:24.000 Is that a book?

00:27:25.040 Who's that?

00:27:25.760 What is that?

00:27:26.480 I don't know.

00:27:27.400 Hoppy.

00:27:28.040 What?

00:27:29.500 Who's this hope guy?

00:27:31.120 Yeah.

00:27:34.020 Why does his name have a dash in it?

00:27:36.540 We have two super chats, by the way.

00:27:38.520 So Amoy Cain, who's one of our best supporters in here.

00:27:42.940 Someone should Venmo peach rip Tim's hat off. 1.00

00:27:45.180 Don't do that.

00:27:46.440 That's a property rights violation.

00:27:48.260 That would be a map violation, sir.

00:27:49.900 I've heard that Tim gets really upset.

00:27:52.200 Wasn't there a video of one guy actually doing it,

00:27:54.260 and Tim got super pissed off about it?

00:27:56.680 I want to say, yeah, he gets really mad. 0.99

00:27:59.880 He does kind of look like shit bald, so I don't know. 0.99

00:28:02.280 It's okay to be bald, though. 0.99

00:28:04.280 It's okay.

00:28:04.720 It's no shame.

00:28:05.920 No.

00:28:06.380 Dude, I'm bald.

00:28:07.680 Bald is beautiful.

00:28:09.640 No, no.

00:28:10.620 I don't always wear that.

00:28:12.260 Go get plugs.

00:28:15.560 By the way, Top is going to bring up to you at a super chat for $5.

00:28:20.000 He said, do you see the Florida law on dining business

00:28:23.020 as a Hoppy and tactic towards building an exclusive community?

00:28:27.660 Oh, I'll elaborate for you guys.

00:28:29.620 Yeah, which law is it?

00:28:30.500 This has been kind of a thing.

00:28:33.060 We've been talking about this for a week and change probably.

00:28:37.120 So what Top Lobster is, who you guys all know and love,

00:28:40.420 and we all know and love him too.

00:28:41.680 Hell yeah, man. 1.00

00:28:42.540 Yeah, shout out to him for that fucking hideous Hudak. 1.00

00:28:47.840 I love Top Lobster in a very gay way, by the way. 0.99

00:28:50.980 And also, everybody should watch Josh Smith destroy Hudak on Friday.

00:28:55.260 Definitely tune into that.

00:28:56.360 That's going to be a really good time.

00:28:57.040 It's going to be the final nail in the coffin, I think, Josh.

00:28:59.620 Looking forward to it.

00:29:00.480 Yeah, definitely check that out.

00:29:02.380 But what he's talking about there is we talked about the laws last episode on Monday.

00:29:08.220 So I'm not going to get too much into that, how they fine people for demanding proof of vaccination.

00:29:12.640 But a point that Lobster has been making is we're going to make where we want to be basically toxic and poisonous for progressives to want to be here. 0.94

00:29:23.800 So basically chasing them out as a way to de facto create that covenant of decentralized conservatism or whatever the fuck is going on in Florida. 0.62

00:29:33.660 So do you see that as a thing? 0.96

00:29:35.240 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:29:36.560 I mean, my whole thing has been from the beginning is I have a very specific strategy I put on Twitter.

00:29:42.200 And one of the key points is you have to make the environment as divisive as possible.

00:29:48.500 Because if people are divisive and they hate each other and they don't want to be with each other, what's the natural thing for people to do? 0.99

00:29:55.280 It's either fight with the motherfucker or leave, right? 0.98

00:29:58.880 So the more divisive it is, the more hostile you make it towards people you don't like. 1.00

00:30:03.480 And this is the left's tactic, too, because they're going to push it on you. 1.00

00:30:07.000 Fucking fight the fuck back. 0.99

00:30:08.960 And people will want to leave. 1.00

00:30:10.480 People will not want to come to Texas from California, right?

00:30:14.140 Like this abortion law thing.

00:30:15.540 They're going to do that. 0.98

00:30:16.760 And look, at the end of the day, yes, it's not a fucking libertarian thing. 0.97

00:30:20.720 But we don't fucking live in libertarian stand, right? 0.95

00:30:23.640 Like we don't live there right now. 0.95

00:30:25.360 We live in this overarching state, right?

00:30:28.740 And they're going to use it against you.

00:30:30.420 It's a gun. 1.00

00:30:31.000 So you better die for that gun when you can get it and start shooting back or someone's going to fucking cap you. 1.00

00:30:36.860 Like that's what's going to happen. 1.00

00:30:38.580 You're going to put us on fucking rail cars or put us in fucking camps. 1.00

00:30:41.880 That's the fucking end goal. 1.00

00:30:43.500 So you better fucking fight back or you're dead. 1.00

00:30:46.840 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:47.460 And I don't know if you saw recently, Portland, Oregon, the mayor was floating out.

00:30:52.060 I don't know if they're actually going to do it, but floating out the idea of, at least for government employees, not allowing trade or travel with Texas anymore.

00:31:01.520 Yeah, I saw that too.

00:31:02.240 Good.

00:31:04.500 That's the first step towards separation.

00:31:06.680 This is – it's a beautiful development.

00:31:09.540 Like – yeah.

00:31:11.780 I would love to see the country try to turn on the flyover states, like over the Midwest.

00:31:18.140 It would be really – just to see the elites, the Eastern – the Atlantic states and basically the Pacific states of all of the elites, the more blue states and stuff like that, turn on the Midwest states. 0.97

00:31:33.320 Because they would be fucked in, like, a matter of months. 0.97

00:31:37.100 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:31:37.340 Well, there's already a lot of resentment there.

00:31:39.760 Like there's already –

00:31:40.700 Yeah, there's a ton.

00:31:41.320 Yeah, there's a ton.

00:31:41.760 Cosmopolitan resentment for the country, for the good old, you know, outdoors or whatever.

00:31:46.280 Like there's already that there.

00:31:47.700 Yeah.

00:31:47.840 Which is – I mean, it's hideous.

00:31:51.360 By both sides too because the cosmopolitan – 1.00

00:31:53.460 Yeah, I like fuck them too. 1.00

00:31:55.160 Are they rootless cosmopolitans though? 1.00

00:31:58.460 Yes.

00:31:58.620 Yeah, that was funny.

00:32:01.240 That was the Massachusetts Mises Caucus.

00:32:04.780 That was the one tweet that they had that really got people pissed off today.

00:32:08.380 It wasn't necessarily the slavery thing, but they called basically the coastal liberal elites rootless cosmopolitans, which I guess – I didn't even know this – is actually a slur that was used in the Stalinist Soviet Union for the Jews.

00:32:24.760 So then we all got called anti-Semitic too. 0.99

00:32:27.520 Oh, who gives a shit? 0.99

00:32:29.280 I mean, it's an accurate description. 1.00

00:32:31.100 I mean, they're rootless cosmopolitans.

00:32:33.560 They believe in living in these large cities.

00:32:35.740 They have no ties to anyone.

00:32:37.360 They don't care.

00:32:38.120 They're going to travel all over the place.

00:32:39.640 Like they don't care.

00:32:40.940 Like they have no ties to the – what we would call in the South – sacred geography, right?

00:32:47.760 Blood and soil.

00:32:48.480 Yeah, blood and soil for sure.

00:32:49.920 For real.

00:32:50.700 Like they don't have any of that.

00:32:52.500 So what else can you call them other than rootless, which that would be rootless?

00:32:57.240 And they're cosmopolitan.

00:32:58.680 They believe in this global cityscape that they want to create, right?

00:33:02.960 So who cares what people say it is?

00:33:05.320 I mean, if it's an accurate description, it's an accurate description.

00:33:08.660 Yeah, and they – the thing is, like I said, there's contempt on both sides. 0.99

00:33:13.440 But the contempt that the cosmopolitans have for these like Midwest states is, motherfucker, I'm going to be dropping out here soon. 0.99

00:33:20.940 It don't make sense. 0.99

00:33:22.480 Yeah, because they hate them because like the cosmopolitan thinks they're lesser.

00:33:26.720 So they're like, we hate you because you're lesser than us.

00:33:29.480 And like – 0.76

00:33:30.080 Yes. 1.00

00:33:30.560 And then the other way around is it's like we hate you because you're just bastards. 1.00

00:33:34.840 Like you're taking from us. 1.00

00:33:36.880 You're using us and then looking down on us.

00:33:39.420 And this is really a form of what I call social imperialism, right?

00:33:43.140 If you can make these other people lesser, like they did this to the Southerners, right, after the Civil War. 1.00

00:33:48.980 You're all ignorant Southerners. 1.00

00:33:50.360 You're all ignorant idiots. 1.00

00:33:51.960 You know, they did this to the Ukrainians and Latvians and what have you during the time of the Soviet Union. 1.00

00:33:59.060 You're all stupid. 1.00

00:34:00.040 You need to do what we say to do because we're the smart ones. 1.00

00:34:03.040 We're the ones.

00:34:03.760 We're the cosmopolitans.

00:34:05.240 You need to do what we say.

00:34:06.800 And this is just another form of that.

00:34:08.300 And they're trying to suppress us in any way they can.

00:34:10.600 And this is a tool that they use, and people need to realize that very quickly. 0.99

00:34:14.200 Yeah, look at the conversation around like undereducation in areas that are deeply red whenever they talk about like how they just say, oh, these people are stupid because they don't go to college. 0.99

00:34:29.740 They don't go to these urban universities. 0.99

00:34:32.080 They don't understand how the real world works, a.k.a. how just urban, disgusting, just ways of life that are entirely dependent on living on top of one another and just political dominance whenever possible.

00:34:49.080 I mean, it's just they call these people like stupid whenever the people in the rural areas just like just want to work hard and be left alone. 0.99

00:34:58.360 It's kind of a tactic, though, right? 0.99

00:35:02.460 Like if we're looking at this just purely from a strategic point of view is you make people think that they're stupid and, you know, they're ignorant and you've got to leave and you've got to come to the city and be a super smart guy. 0.99

00:35:13.120 Right. 0.99

00:35:13.460 Like we're like we're going to and then they leave.

00:35:15.840 And what happens? 0.99

00:35:16.800 They go to these colleges and they get indoctrinated to go back and they're seeding and constantly seeding this shit into these areas. 0.99

00:35:22.900 That's why a lot of these red states have become more leftist because this is what's been happening. 0.99

00:35:28.600 Right. 0.98

00:35:29.000 I mean, the I the one thing I always give credit to the left for is that they're fucking brilliant strategist, brilliant strategist. 1.00

00:35:38.600 We are fucking retarded in comparison. 1.00

00:35:40.600 Like literally, we're the fucking we're the kid on the short bus wearing the fucking helmet compared to these people. 1.00

00:35:46.780 They're smart. 1.00

00:35:47.740 They know what they're fucking doing. 1.00

00:35:49.340 Now, are they are they intelligent in other ways? 1.00

00:35:51.860 Hell no. 1.00

00:35:52.260 They're absolutely idiotic. 1.00

00:35:53.660 I mean, they have no understanding of economics. 1.00

00:35:55.480 They don't care, though.

00:35:56.660 You know, they don't understand philosophy.

00:35:59.540 They don't care.

00:36:00.460 Like they only care about power and control and they're good at getting it.

00:36:04.900 Yeah.

00:36:05.060 They don't care about the fact that they're inconsistent either.

00:36:08.660 And what they do is I think it might be a rules for radicals thing where they just push for the most extreme thing possible.

00:36:15.060 And then if you don't promote that to the most extreme, then you're evil, you're a bigot, whatever.

00:36:22.380 Right.

00:36:22.700 Yeah.

00:36:22.920 That was it.

00:36:23.440 That was an Alinsky thing.

00:36:24.680 Yeah.

00:36:25.200 That was it.

00:36:25.980 That was in rules for radicals.

00:36:27.200 And this is.

00:36:27.940 Yeah.

00:36:28.160 And this is why I constantly tell people is stop debating with the left.

00:36:31.380 Stop trying to pull in centrist.

00:36:32.760 Just go as far possible right as you can possibly go and get those people to understand what's right.

00:36:39.120 Like we need to radicalize on the other side so we can pull the Overton window back to our end.

00:36:44.300 Because right now what's in the middle is super far leftism and it's almost communism.

00:36:49.100 We're losing.

00:36:49.820 We're losing bad.

00:36:50.540 Yeah. 0.86

00:36:51.220 And the thing that I think about them being so radical, what you were saying there, Toad, is that if you add if you want 10 things and then the, you know, the fucking gutless conservatives will say no, but they'll give you two things. 0.90

00:37:04.100 Well, then they won. 0.92

00:37:05.240 The precedent is there.

00:37:06.800 The line has moved over to when those move that far to the left.

00:37:10.400 So that's that's where the failure of the right is.

00:37:12.980 It's not going on the offense, but staying on the defense, but just staying on the defense isn't enough.

00:37:17.600 Yeah, we need to be not not non-compromising. 0.97

00:37:21.440 We need to push so hard into such ridiculous, like far rightism that it that it would scare the shit out of your average conservative.

00:37:29.940 Like that's how far that's what we need to do, because the moment that we do that and we start pulling people our way, the middle is going to move. 0.97

00:37:36.520 Right.

00:37:37.040 And that that, of course, is a long term strategy.

00:37:39.220 I'm much more in favor of doing, you know, hop a strategy.

00:37:42.620 But, you know, as Jeff Dice says, you know, at the end of the day, if the left wants to be the left and go be do go off and do the left, they're going to be much better off under under doing what we want to do and separating.

00:37:54.880 Right.

00:37:55.160 Eventually, they're going to collapse because that's what leftism will cause, especially leftist economics.

00:37:59.560 They'll collapse anyway.

00:38:00.700 Right.

00:38:01.020 But at least they'll be happy for a few years before they do.

00:38:04.040 Right.

00:38:04.200 They're going to get their way and maybe it'll teach some of them.

00:38:06.820 Right.

00:38:07.060 Maybe it'll teach some of them that you can't do this and it's not going to work. 0.99

00:38:10.440 And in the meantime, we'll go colonize Mars or something because we're going to be so fucking wealthy and advanced that they're going to look like fucking cavemen. 0.98

00:38:18.480 You'll highlight cowboyism, baby. 0.99

00:38:20.760 That's my Michael's.

00:38:22.500 Yeah, Michael's compromise with the progressive is doing half of what they want and none of what you want.

00:38:27.740 That's right.

00:38:28.360 Yeah.

00:38:28.620 I don't know where that quote's from, but that's a brilliant quote, Michael.

00:38:32.720 Yeah.

00:38:32.920 I'm just going to be like Ben Shapiro.

00:38:36.760 We also got a couple more super chats here.

00:38:39.300 Oh, boy, again, with two bucks.

00:38:41.200 But they can use their power on us later, bro.

00:38:43.240 That was, I think, like, you know, a reference back to, I guess, like, was that like the DeSantis model type of thing?

00:38:51.260 Is that what we were talking about?

00:38:52.420 Yeah.

00:38:52.460 Yeah, correct.

00:38:52.900 Now Taylor's going wrong. 0.99

00:38:58.940 Damn, I thought that was me again. 0.98

00:39:01.040 I was, too. 0.99

00:39:02.440 So am I.

00:39:03.440 Man, this is a curse.

00:39:05.420 I don't know what's going on, man.

00:39:07.280 But it's the global lease.

00:39:09.160 It's Kato.

00:39:09.760 They took down the stream.

00:39:10.880 There we go. 0.99

00:39:12.200 Dude, global homo is all over you, man. 1.00

00:39:15.220 You want to know why they live in cities stacked on top of each other? 0.95

00:39:18.080 Because they literally want to be on top of each other.

00:39:20.320 You know, a gay totem pole of living. 1.00

00:39:24.400 What were you saying, Taylor?

00:39:25.720 I think you were making a good point.

00:39:26.820 I think you're back now.

00:39:28.420 I forget, dude.

00:39:31.120 He's drunk.

00:39:31.840 He's drunk, man.

00:39:33.400 No, I'm actually not.

00:39:35.760 That's what a drunk would say.

00:39:37.040 That's the problem.

00:39:38.440 Yeah, that's the problem. 1.00

00:39:39.960 Nick has seen this motherfucker at Yale. 0.99

00:39:41.700 Go for an hour-long walk and come back, and he's still there. 0.99

00:39:47.120 Like, yeah, so the concept of property rights came.

00:39:49.740 It's like, Jesus Christ, he's still going.

00:39:52.080 Well, yeah, you told me he was philosophizing the whole time.

00:39:54.540 You told me he was drunk philosophizing.

00:39:56.980 I guess that makes sense.

00:39:58.300 All right.

00:39:58.400 And then we would walk off, like, as the whole group of us would walk off. 0.97

00:40:01.060 And then he'd be like, dude, I'm fucking hammered right now. 0.94

00:40:03.260 And I'm like, really? 0.97

00:40:04.040 I couldn't tell.

00:40:05.520 You're like murdering philosophy over there.

00:40:07.600 That was really beautiful.

00:40:08.740 I just walked away.

00:40:10.180 Seven beers in an hour? 0.99

00:40:11.580 Like, this is fucking done. 0.99

00:40:13.140 Just literally walked away and just be like, dude, I'm fucking drilled. 0.99

00:40:17.740 Literally, that's how it was going. 0.97

00:40:19.240 It was great.

00:40:20.040 It was amazing.

00:40:20.780 Someone else gave $5 and said, Jared, drop a donation link so we can get you Starlink.

00:40:25.060 Also, FLP Texas.

00:40:27.260 If you do want to donate to us, donate to the site.

00:40:32.660 You can go to our Twitter, at TheHoppy.

00:40:36.420 And there's a BTC address there.

00:40:38.880 Drop it in there.

00:40:39.860 Like, I don't want to take anything for myself.

00:40:41.960 I make plenty of money.

00:40:43.000 And I actually am paying for the most expensive internet that I can buy, which is over a gig.

00:40:47.960 And this is happening.

00:40:49.200 So it's getting an earful.

00:40:51.880 Yeah.

00:40:52.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:53.760 Do you have an ethernet cable plugged in?

00:40:55.480 Oh, yeah.

00:40:55.960 It's direct.

00:40:56.780 So you're doing everything you can.

00:40:58.440 Oh, yeah.

00:40:58.980 For sure. 1.00

00:40:59.320 You got to put your foot up somebody's ass, man. 0.99

00:41:01.260 That ain't right. 0.99

00:41:02.480 And I'm like, I've got a really kind of badass computer.

00:41:06.080 I just bought, like, a new $400 router.

00:41:09.120 I mean, like, there should be no problems at all.

00:41:12.080 Like, it's definitely the service.

00:41:14.440 Nick, all I can think about whenever you said you got to put somebody's foot up, somebody's 0.98

00:41:19.200 put your foot up somebody's ass, is the Indian guy just going, please, sir, do not put 1.00

00:41:24.540 your foot up. 1.00

00:41:25.320 Like, that's all I can think about as soon as you said it.

00:41:32.100 Oh, man.

00:41:33.560 Dude.

00:41:36.480 Taylor, you just made Joanie cackle. 1.00

00:41:39.100 I heard her across the entire house. 0.73

00:41:41.060 Oh, man.

00:41:43.100 Dude, I've been watching so many conspiracies.

00:41:45.120 Like, while y'all are talking, I could just go over conspiracies on mine because I saw

00:41:49.880 one today that they said that Bitcoin was actually created by the big banks just to

00:41:56.820 get people.

00:41:57.400 It's an op.

00:41:58.340 It was actually by the big banks themselves to get away from paper money.

00:42:05.020 And I was like, this doesn't make any sense. 0.92

00:42:06.420 It's the most retarded thing I've ever heard of. 1.00

00:42:08.900 Unless it's an unlimited market cap coin or something like that. 0.74

00:42:12.440 Yeah, they don't understand what Bitcoin is if they say that kind of stuff.

00:42:16.460 Like, they have no idea.

00:42:17.580 Well, yeah.

00:42:18.500 They're already pushing us into a cashless society.

00:42:21.740 And they have control over the US dollar.

00:42:24.140 It's total fiat currency.

00:42:26.540 Which, by the way, was another conspiracy.

00:42:29.540 Like, all these are coming through called, like, the electronic switch or something like

00:42:33.180 that, where they're going to try to push us so far into the digital and then just turn

00:42:37.840 off all the electricity in the world.

00:42:39.980 I don't know how, but then turn it off.

00:42:41.360 I've heard that one before.

00:42:42.960 But that one was kind of scary a little bit because you kind of start thinking about it

00:42:46.200 and you're like, oh, wow, they really are pushing.

00:42:47.840 Like, get rid of all cash.

00:42:49.760 Get rid of all of, like, paper identification or just any type of physical identification.

00:42:55.160 Get rid of, you know, all the digital currency, digital verification.

00:42:59.720 Everything's digital and then, like, we just turn off the, turn the slight switch off and 0.99

00:43:04.840 then y'all are all fucked again. 1.00

00:43:06.300 Get your mark of the beast. 1.00

00:43:09.100 Yeah, basically.

00:43:09.860 And the duopoly is what it is.

00:43:11.740 Oh, my God.

00:43:13.060 Oh, my God.

00:43:13.940 Both sides are the same. 0.53

00:43:16.460 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:17.580 Fuck LP Texas. 1.00

00:43:19.360 God. 1.00

00:43:20.860 Like, how pathetically shallow of a philosophy student do you have to be to really believe 0.96

00:43:28.500 that the left and the right are the same? 0.95

00:43:30.460 Like.

00:43:30.920 You answered your own question.

00:43:32.520 Yeah.

00:43:33.060 I mean, I'm very shallow, apparently.

00:43:35.340 I mean.

00:43:35.620 Incredibly shallow.

00:43:37.080 It's like, okay, well, if they are the same at all, it's only as a function of the political

00:43:44.620 parties.

00:43:45.060 And they're the same because they're both leftists.

00:43:51.100 Hello?

00:43:51.960 You know?

00:43:52.360 And, of course, the people that say that the majority of the time are leftists.

00:43:55.860 So what does that tell you?

00:43:56.900 I mean, it's absurd.

00:44:00.020 It goes back to this Powell guy, right? 0.99

00:44:02.160 Like, this is why I fucking hate regime libertarians. 0.99

00:44:04.760 I really do. 1.00

00:44:05.540 I despise them so much. 0.97

00:44:07.760 Like. 1.00

00:44:08.100 They're the worst type. 0.67

00:44:09.840 Like, I'd rather have a neocon.

00:44:11.680 Oh, yeah.

00:44:12.000 Because the libertarians, it's like.

00:44:13.320 Neocons, regime libertarians. 0.95

00:44:15.380 Two worst people in the world. 0.97

00:44:16.860 Yeah.

00:44:17.280 Yeah, pretty much the same.

00:44:18.300 We had a campaign to get people to block Cato, too.

00:44:21.180 That was one of the.

00:44:21.860 Good.

00:44:22.080 One of the campaigns on Twitter.

00:44:24.600 I would love to debate that Powell guy.

00:44:27.600 I really would.

00:44:28.540 Like, I would straight up debate.

00:44:30.360 I would debate him at any time on any topic he wants.

00:44:33.800 And I guarantee you, he would lose. 1.00

00:44:35.740 Because he doesn't understand what the fuck he's talking about. 0.97

00:44:39.040 Did you guys read the article that he posted? 0.99

00:44:41.500 It's literally an amalgam of political positions.

00:44:44.180 There's no philosophy in it at all.

00:44:45.720 Like, how are you going to describe a philosophy and not put any philosophy in the article that you're describing the philosophy of?

00:44:53.300 Again.

00:44:53.460 It's insane.

00:44:54.180 Justly acquired property one time.

00:44:58.000 One time.

00:44:59.280 In an entire, like, 20-page article on what libertarianism is.

00:45:04.140 Mentions the word property, what, like, two, three times?

00:45:08.180 Doesn't even use the term private property.

00:45:13.380 Like, if we're describing libertarianism, like, in an article, even libertarians should get sick of how many times property is mentioned.

00:45:20.260 Like, that's literally. 0.99

00:45:21.780 Yeah, it's the whole fucking thing. 0.99

00:45:23.760 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:23.940 It literally should be like, okay, man, we get it.

00:45:26.440 We, like, I understand.

00:45:28.080 We like property a lot.

00:45:29.340 Okay, we get it.

00:45:30.100 Move on.

00:45:30.760 Like, it'd be like, no, that's literally the whole thing.

00:45:33.080 Basically.

00:45:34.220 Everything can be distilled to it.

00:45:35.800 I mean, literally everything.

00:45:37.200 I can't.

00:45:39.420 Argumentation ethics is basically a valid proof of private property rights, meaning that, you know, you go back towards self-ownership and it is private property rights because you own yourself, blah, blah, blah.

00:45:49.980 But, yeah, I mean, I don't understand.

00:45:53.160 I really didn't.

00:45:54.040 I think it's a, look, I mean, if you go all the way back to Rothbard, right, Rothbard got literally robbed.

00:46:02.120 He was robbed by Cato, if you guys aren't familiar with that story.

00:46:06.680 He had all of his shares stolen by the Koch bros, and he was kicked out.

00:46:12.480 I mean, like, he was robbed.

00:46:13.860 He was stolen from. 0.97

00:46:15.180 And these people took, and they still use his name to promote their freaking product. 0.97

00:46:21.360 Well, don't they also, like, they're the types of people that also lump Rothbard in with the Koch brothers, right, or lump libertarians in with them, call them, yeah, Koch brother allies or some shit like that.

00:46:35.320 Yeah, I just, like, I, over the years, you know, developing and learning libertarianism, you kind of do waffle back and forth between, okay, well, Cato's got some good articles here and there on these various issues and things like that. 0.53

00:46:49.800 And that's how they reel these people in, right, because you're like, oh, well, the left really hates the Koch bros.

00:46:55.740 You know, they must be all right because, you know, the enemy of my enemy, you know, and all that.

00:46:59.960 But then you really learn, like, no, they're the same.

00:47:03.000 Like, they're hating their own reflection is what they're hating because these guys got involved with the state.

00:47:09.120 I mean, that's what they did.

00:47:10.140 They sold their soul to the state to have power and influence over some minor political power.

00:47:16.820 I mean, it's, yeah.

00:47:17.640 And reason is right on their way to that also, if not already there.

00:47:22.700 They were already there.

00:47:23.840 They've been already there.

00:47:25.120 But, yeah, because it's, like, because I, like, whenever I used to, like, look up, whenever I was, you know, debating people online and I would look up articles, usually you would find, like, I would look for reason articles or, you know, Davis and Cato. 0.97

00:47:37.620 But by now, I'm just, like, no, fuck that.

00:47:39.460 I'm going straight to the Mises Institute. 0.91

00:47:41.120 Look up any article on there.

00:47:42.380 That's all I'm looking at. 0.98

00:47:43.820 It's going to go to scroll through until I find something that fucking Walter Block has written on. 0.97

00:47:47.780 Funny story is I'm still a reason comment guy sometimes. 0.89

00:47:55.120 Like, every once in a while, I'll log into my old account and just start Dropa and Rothbard everywhere just to see the reactions.

00:48:02.980 I haven't done it in a while.

00:48:03.920 I think I'm going to start doing it again because it's actually fun.

00:48:06.900 And they're, like, I'll put, like, a Hoppa quote in there about, you know, like, whatever is prescient on the issue at hand in the article.

00:48:16.020 And they'll just be, like, oh, Hoppa, you mean the racist guy?

00:48:19.780 And I'm just, like, Jesus.

00:48:22.620 I'm, like, yeah, I don't even know why I come here.

00:48:24.860 I, you know, I'm just lying.

00:48:27.560 And by the way, like.

00:48:29.100 You must, like, Rothbard too.

00:48:31.180 Like, it's just like.

00:48:32.300 Yeah.

00:48:32.960 Oh, you got me.

00:48:34.660 By the way, like.

00:48:35.640 Wow.

00:48:36.260 You like David Duke?

00:48:38.400 You know, honestly, the more they, like, do this thing of where they, like, basically gaslight you into, like, saying, like, because, like, Rothbard's a racist.

00:48:47.400 Hoppa's a racist. 1.00

00:48:48.780 And then, like, we're basically, like, all right, fuck it. 1.00

00:48:51.460 If they're racist, then me saying an actual racist joke doesn't actually matter. 1.00

00:48:56.300 Because it doesn't.

00:48:56.860 It doesn't.

00:48:57.260 Yeah.

00:48:57.340 You've pushed it so far.

00:48:59.240 Like, it's such a weird thing.

00:49:01.220 We're, like, yeah, who cares?

00:49:02.520 Like, you're going to call a legit Jewish man, like, a Nazi sympathizer. 0.58

00:49:08.320 Right.

00:49:08.480 Or, you know, it's, like, at that point, none of your insults matter.

00:49:12.880 They don't.

00:49:13.440 Like, they call Mises the same thing.

00:49:15.880 Like, they call him a Nazi sympathizer.

00:49:18.000 The dude fled the Nazis.

00:49:20.140 Like, what else do you have to do?

00:49:23.160 Like, okay, like, yeah, he might have joined some political parties that were a little bit reactionary back in his day.

00:49:30.340 But, like, whenever you call him, like, a Nazi sympathizer or something like that, it's just, like, the dude got all of his papers, like, stolen by the Nazis and had to leave. 0.99

00:49:40.440 Like, you're disgusting. 1.00

00:49:42.700 You're worse than disgusting. 1.00

00:49:45.100 But it's unbelievable. 0.98

00:49:47.000 I mean, if you look back at Mises' history, and, you know, like, he was in the Austrian military, right?

00:49:52.040 I mean, like, he was an Austrian noble.

00:49:54.480 Like, he literally was, I think his, was it him or was it his dad?

00:49:58.780 I know his family was a noble family in Austria.

00:50:01.880 I mean.

00:50:02.220 What you're saying is he's inbred.

00:50:05.080 But, like, you get what I'm saying, right?

00:50:07.400 Like, how, this guy was Austrian nobility, and he fled, right?

00:50:12.420 He fled during this time when the Nazis were in.

00:50:14.980 This has not, like, and this is why I get a little sideways when I'm talking to, like, some more hardcore right-wingers is they're like, well, you know, the Nazis did this and this and that. 0.99

00:50:25.300 And I'm like, okay, the Nazis were, like, a lot of people are going to cringe when I say this, but the Nazis were fucking leftists, man. 0.98

00:50:31.760 I mean, like. 0.99

00:50:32.560 No, they were.

00:50:33.660 I'm in that, too.

00:50:34.780 Yeah.

00:50:35.380 Yeah.

00:50:35.580 They were national socialists.

00:50:37.320 Yeah.

00:50:37.520 I mean, they were socialists. 1.00

00:50:39.420 Hitler was a fucking vegetarian or something. 0.99

00:50:41.600 Like, I mean, you can't get around this. 1.00

00:50:44.260 They embraced a lot of leftist social policies around this.

00:50:48.160 Now, did they have a certain right-leaning, maybe, goals or attitudes?

00:50:55.220 Absolutely. 0.99

00:50:55.860 But who the fuck doesn't? 0.99

00:50:56.960 That's not insane. 0.99

00:50:58.560 I mean, but when you compare Mises to the Nazis, Mises was way more far right, which is why it really aggravates the piss out of me when people say that Nazism is far right, when it's really just kind of authoritarian centrism.

00:51:11.300 Dude, I do hate that, too.

00:51:13.560 I know it's a really weird thing to hate, but whenever I see, like, the political compass, and they're just like, communism is the left version of authoritarianism, and the right version is Nazism.

00:51:24.200 I'm like, not really.

00:51:25.440 No, fascism.

00:51:26.540 Or, yeah, I guess fascism, but they'll say Nazis is the ones. 0.76

00:51:31.420 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:51:32.080 Also, equating fascism and Nazism is kind of dishonest in itself, because, you know, fascism is more right-wing than Nazism is.

00:51:43.520 Yeah, it is.

00:51:44.260 By the way, we do have a couple of super chats I want to get here.

00:51:48.560 I don't know if you got it.

00:51:49.100 Did you get Blue State Libertarians?

00:51:50.740 I got to get Michael Letwin, $2.

00:51:53.020 Solar storms causing global blackouts are a concern.

00:51:57.820 So what you're saying is that—

00:51:59.260 I don't need to be more scared.

00:51:59.860 Well, the global elites do actually—I think they actually literally do have some plans to block out the sun.

00:52:08.660 So, so Mr. Burns—

00:52:11.080 Is it going to be like, yeah, Mr. Burns, that's how it's going to bring up with a giant mirror in space?

00:52:15.280 Well, yeah, it's probably—I don't know. 0.97

00:52:17.140 Maybe it's the power lobby or some shit. 0.98

00:52:19.240 I have no idea. 0.99

00:52:20.280 And Blue State Libertarian said, leftists will hate a place, leave it.

00:52:23.340 Then vote for the same policies, have to recognize their commitment to ideology is often fanatical.

00:52:28.340 Oh, did he give us two?

00:52:30.240 Because I brought up the—he gave us $2 for Reasons the Us magazine of Cato Institute.

00:52:36.720 Yeah, he gave us $5 before.

00:52:38.880 Yeah.

00:52:39.120 But also for Cato Institute, guys, shout out Corey DeAngelis, dude.

00:52:44.140 That guy rules.

00:52:45.520 Dude.

00:52:45.780 Yeah.

00:52:46.340 I was so happy to meet him.

00:52:47.600 I was going to say—I was going to say earlier, like, I had a little phase where I was like—and when I was a Hoppian, so it wasn't like—it wasn't a long time ago when I was like, you know, just first reading Reason articles.

00:53:01.020 I was like, I really tried to get over my Cato phobia, and I was like diving in and just like, you know what?

00:53:08.520 Some of these obnoxious Twitter guys can't—like, they can't represent the entire organization.

00:53:13.580 And then, like, I go on the site, and I'm reading everything, and I'm just like, why would I ever—why would I ever try this?

00:53:22.440 Like, it's bad.

00:53:24.500 The foreign policy stuff, awesome, obviously.

00:53:27.200 But, like, everything—it's just so—

00:53:30.140 Everything else is terrible.

00:53:31.580 Lukewarm and bad and beltway and everything that's—everything that is bad about libertarian stereotypes, Cato is.

00:53:39.640 Yeah, yeah, 100%.

00:53:41.580 I mean, like, ironically, they just—

00:53:46.240 Losing Jared again here.

00:53:47.360 Jared, you're done again. 1.00

00:53:48.280 Yeah, fucking robot Jared. 0.99

00:53:50.740 I mean, I was going to say, like, Reason has gone to the point where, like, I don't even know if I can distinguish them that much—like, distinguish between them and Cato. 0.99

00:53:59.320 Like, Reason's at the point where you have, like, Robbie Suave's putting out articles promoting vaccinating children and shit, which— 0.67

00:54:05.780 Well, like, did you see a similar warming? 0.98

00:54:08.560 Did you see a Civil War meme?

00:54:10.980 No, I didn't.

00:54:11.880 Oh, my God.

00:54:12.660 He's like, oh, well, like, it was basically a pro-union thing.

00:54:15.720 He was like, oh, Republicans in 1865, and it's got, you know, it's got the Doge meme with the big Doge and the small one.

00:54:23.380 And he's, like, you know, comparing the Union to the—or the Republicans from then and now.

00:54:28.160 And it's like, really? 1.00

00:54:29.180 You're going to sit there and fucking defend the fucking people that fucking started a goddamn war and then killed 600,000 Americans? 1.00

00:54:36.340 Fuck you, you piece of shit. 1.00

00:54:37.700 Like, it's disgusting, dude. 1.00

00:54:40.120 Like, it's—

00:54:41.520 The whole—anytime the Civil War comes up, and I tweeted this today, I was like—tweeted this today or yesterday. 0.97

00:54:48.520 Well, that was the shit that blew up today with LP Texas was saying that— 0.98

00:54:51.840 Mises College was promoting slavery for saying that the Union was bad. 0.99

00:54:58.600 Because yesterday—so what happened was yesterday George Washington was trending, which was for the most retarded of reasons. 0.98

00:55:06.440 It was because they still pushed that George Washington, like, mandated that his soldiers get vaccinated, which for some reason means—

00:55:14.960 Which for some reason means that we all need to get vaccinated because he vaccinated his army, those guys that were conscripted.

00:55:22.360 Like, it's just like, okay, I don't—okay, we're all in the U.S. Army now.

00:55:25.580 We can all get mandates. 0.98

00:55:26.440 Well, yeah, who the fuck cares that it was Washington, either? 0.97

00:55:30.020 Like, Washington, you know, used violent force to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. 0.97

00:55:34.120 Like, who's in no way perfect?

00:55:35.480 Western Pennsylvania.

00:55:36.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:37.300 And then, I think it was Robert E. Lee was trending because they were pulling down a statue of him, which I think started this whole Civil War thing, which made me just think, like, seeing how bad, like, you asked what the average American knows about the Civil War.

00:55:58.560 It is so terrible.

00:56:00.340 Like, they know nothing.

00:56:01.200 Just to think about how it's going to be pushed for, like, this COVID stuff.

00:56:05.740 Like, just think 10, 15, 20—I mean, even the 100 years from now.

00:56:09.900 Oh, it's going to control the narrative.

00:56:10.760 How bad it's going to—they're going to look back at this and be like, they literally fought for their lives to stop this deadly-ass virus. 0.99

00:56:17.840 It's just like, they're literally just going to just rake over this bullshit all over it. 0.78

00:56:22.100 Do you think that, like, that our, like, our children, whenever they come or whatever, or whenever they get older, are going to hear about Fauci getting straight up caught in a lie that the U.S. didn't fund gain-of-function research? 0.83

00:56:37.840 It happened two days ago, and they're not talking about it.

00:56:41.400 Nobody cares! 0.99

00:56:42.580 I feel like I'm living in fucking—I'm going insane. 0.99

00:56:46.280 I'm losing money. 0.99

00:56:46.600 I don't know, man.

00:56:47.380 Because this—

00:56:48.700 Yeah, because he literally lied under oath at that point.

00:56:51.500 Nobody cares! 0.99

00:56:53.040 This shit, like, defies reality so much that it seems like it's almost going to be impossible to maintain that narrative, where I could kind of see how they could maintain, like, the war narratives more so. 1.00

00:57:05.840 I think—they were—sorry, I was going to say this—they released the emails. 1.00

00:57:09.740 His emails, what, a couple months ago, which did, at that point, showed he lied, and they still didn't give a fuck about it. 0.90

00:57:16.320 So, I mean, there's nothing they can do. 0.94

00:57:18.740 He's literally the idol of truth to power, dude.

00:57:22.640 Nothing will ever happen to him, and it's going to be the same thing that happened with, you know, the Civil War.

00:57:29.940 Everything's going to get wiped over.

00:57:31.440 It's all about slavery, even though, you know, slavery was never even mentioned by Lincoln until 15 months into the war.

00:57:39.600 Yep. 0.99

00:57:40.120 You know, I mean, he didn't give a shit about that. 0.99

00:57:42.800 Nobody—I mean, nobody did. 0.99

00:57:43.980 I mean, look, at the end of the day, 600,000 people died.

00:57:50.080 600,000, okay?

00:57:52.780 We're talking, what, 30,000 times as many died than 9-11?

00:57:57.680 I mean, like, it defies reality that people would in any way defend this war, much less someone that calls themselves a libertarian.

00:58:07.980 Well, like, what about, like, defending, like, Sherman's march or something?

00:58:13.040 I think a lot of schools people were like, this was necessary to win the war.

00:58:16.840 Yeah, I remember that.

00:58:17.860 He went and he, like, slaughtered a bunch of, like, innocent, like, women and children, like, raven and pillage.

00:58:22.560 He burned around innocent people's houses.

00:58:24.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:25.780 Like, slaughtered people, and they're just like, well, and he did it for a good cause because of slavery or something.

00:58:34.760 I'm sorry.

00:58:35.820 I can't defend that.

00:58:36.140 And most of Sherman's troops, I think most of Sherman's troops were foreign.

00:58:40.960 They were conscripts.

00:58:42.080 Yeah, they were literally immigrants.

00:58:45.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:45.640 They had, like, I think 30% of the Union Army were, like, fresh immigrants, right?

00:58:53.360 Like, they were importing people.

00:58:54.740 It was 40.

00:58:55.140 I could be wrong, but I thought it was 40.

00:58:56.480 Yeah, 30, 40, something like that. 0.51

00:58:58.260 Like, it was a ridiculous amount.

00:59:00.180 Like, they would have straight up lost the war if they wouldn't have done that. 0.88

00:59:02.940 They would have straight up lost. 0.99

00:59:03.980 Because, I mean, look, we can get into the details, and there's lots of idiots online, especially on YouTube, that are constantly analyzing the Civil War and things like that. 0.97

00:59:14.080 But at the end of the day, if you're a libertarian and you support the ideas of Murray Rothbard, I'll give you a quote. 0.92

00:59:20.400 He said, the only two just wars that America ever fought was the American Revolution and the war for Southern independence.

00:59:27.000 Straight up, that's what he said.

00:59:28.540 And if you're a Rothbardian, you're pro-Southern.

00:59:33.060 Sorry, that's the way it is.

00:59:34.860 I mean, because at the end of the day, look, I mean, that's what the war was really about. 0.92

00:59:39.560 It was they were trying to fucking leave, right? 0.99

00:59:41.960 They were trying to fucking leave. 0.99

00:59:43.100 That's what we support. 1.00

00:59:44.180 We support people fucking leaving. 0.99

00:59:46.400 Like, how do you oppose that? 0.99

00:59:48.640 Like, in what reality?

00:59:50.020 By the way, they oppose it because they already, like, even libertarians think vax mandates are ethical and right to do.

00:59:56.940 So, like, you're saying, how can you not support leaving because they don't even support that you can go into anywhere?

01:00:04.960 All respect to Mises, I despise utilitarians.

01:00:09.920 I can't stand them because of that sort of thing.

01:00:14.140 It's just like, oh, yeah, well, it'll be better in the end.

01:00:16.820 And it's just like, you don't believe anything.

01:00:20.720 But it's just, but yeah, I don't.

01:00:22.940 I told Utilitarian the other day, I don't think I told Utilitarian, but I said this in a chat.

01:00:27.380 I was just like, Utilitarian makes a lot of sense until you start thinking about it.

01:00:31.300 And basically, it literally does because you're just like, oh, it makes sense.

01:00:34.700 You know, we're all going to, you know, everybody's for the common good. 0.85

01:00:37.360 And then you're like, no, wait, that just means you can just kill that guy over there because he works a little bit less efficient than those guys. 0.93

01:00:44.240 So that'll help out everybody else if that guy's dead. 0.88

01:00:46.800 It means nothing wrong.

01:00:47.760 It might mean that, but I usually like, I kind of go with the approach of like, you're saying that it would be okay to kill one guy and harvest his organs to save seven people that are going to die otherwise.

01:01:00.420 Yeah.

01:01:00.520 Right.

01:01:02.320 Which, yeah.

01:01:03.780 Which I'm sure they have some convoluted like mental gymnastics response to that to where they'll be like, no, no, no, no, that will never happen.

01:01:12.120 And that's totally against what we believe, but it's like, okay, but you just take that and you multiply it by 10 million people.

01:01:18.580 And basically, that's what you get just because you're making huge decisions instead of, at least it's not just one guy.

01:01:25.560 You're saying thousands of people have to do this certain thing that they don't want to do.

01:01:30.300 So let's, since we're harping on reason, what do you guys think about Dave Smith saying that reason needs to be part of the libertarian movement?

01:01:39.080 In what capacity?

01:01:42.120 I heard, I heard him say in Pittsburgh during the Mises caucus event, which, which I attended in a couple of months ago when he said enough libertarian infighting, we need to include the reason guys and the Cato guys and everything else.

01:02:00.920 And I was just like, like that hit the rest of his speech was fantastic.

01:02:05.100 I loved it, but I just put my head down and shook my head because those people hate him.

01:02:13.440 They hate his type of libertarian.

01:02:15.620 They hate everything that he stands for.

01:02:18.320 Why would he carry water for them?

01:02:20.920 Well, just because he's friends with one or two guys over there that are better than the others.

01:02:26.040 It's nuts.

01:02:27.220 And look, I like Dave.

01:02:28.540 I mean, Dave follows me on Twitter.

01:02:30.020 I follow him. 0.99

01:02:30.880 Like, I think, I think he's a smart guy, but he's making a huge fucking mistake. 0.90

01:02:35.920 No, here's, no, here's what I think he was going for. 0.97

01:02:38.980 I think he thought that at least those guys being libertarian, at least a name would fall

01:02:44.220 in line and say, okay, at least that's, that's, that's my, my thinking is that he was thinking

01:02:50.960 like, at least they'd be logical enough to see that this is the best chance for libertarians

01:02:56.160 that we have in this country.

01:02:57.580 I'll fall in line.

01:02:58.480 Even though I don't agree on everything, I'll fall in line.

01:03:00.380 Now he was mistaken.

01:03:02.200 Like, I mean, it's just wrong.

01:03:03.540 They, they would, they would do, I mean, yeah, I mean, look what these guys, look what

01:03:08.860 these guys do, right?

01:03:10.320 They're involved in the political process.

01:03:12.400 They go to these highfalutin, you know, cocktail parties and hobnob with politicians.

01:03:17.820 They're going to use him.

01:03:19.260 And he needs to realize that they're going to use him however they can.

01:03:23.200 And they, if he puts any of these guys, like if he gets into a position of power, especially

01:03:27.880 in the party, um, where he can, he needs to depend on these people or puts them in positions

01:03:33.400 where they can make an influence or impact, he's going to end up losing it.

01:03:36.700 I mean, it's going to, it's going to cause problems.

01:03:39.340 These people are subversive. 0.99

01:03:40.880 They do not give a shit about the libertarian moment. 1.00

01:03:44.080 They care about political power and that's all they want. 0.99

01:03:47.360 They, they want to influence things to, to, to put out their version of libertarianism. 0.99

01:03:52.840 I mean, the whole fucking thing is subversive. 1.00

01:03:55.220 The whole fucking thing. 1.00

01:03:56.800 Well, Cato, every fucking article they put out is this milquetoast fucking bullshit. 1.00

01:04:01.940 And that's what they're going to push. 1.00

01:04:03.540 And at the end of the fucking day, I don't want libertarianism to be that. 0.95

01:04:07.540 So no, I don't want them to be involved with us in any possible way. 0.99

01:04:12.240 They should be denounced and drug through the mud as fast and as often as they can and 1.00

01:04:17.000 stop promoting those people because the moment you promote them, you're driving money towards

01:04:20.940 them and you're driving them to have more power.

01:04:23.040 Yeah.

01:04:23.580 And maybe he was just saying to include them in our shitpost, which I'll do all the time.

01:04:29.740 We do do that, but that's how I include them.

01:04:32.860 Yes.

01:04:33.780 Exactly.

01:04:34.640 Dave, Dave, more recently on part of the problem, I think like he was pissed at reason because

01:04:39.000 they had this like panel where they were going to be talking about him and they like didn't

01:04:42.040 ask him first or something and had him on and they were all, you mean they ambushed

01:04:46.240 him?

01:04:46.740 Yeah, I think they did.

01:04:48.060 Isn't that what you're saying?

01:04:49.400 Typical leftist tactic.

01:04:50.840 I didn't see it.

01:04:51.500 I saw the part of the problem where he talked about it like a few weeks ago, probably.

01:04:54.920 Well, yeah, I don't know.

01:04:56.280 I just saw that tweet and I haven't heard anything else related to that since then.

01:05:00.280 So maybe he's come to his senses or something.

01:05:02.440 I don't know.

01:05:03.300 Like I said, I like Dave.

01:05:04.280 I think he's a good guy.

01:05:05.420 I just think he's making a mistake and people make mistakes, right?

01:05:08.120 I mean, there is a lot of history around libertarianism, right?

01:05:13.320 There's a lot of things that have gone on over the years and not everybody knows. 0.92

01:05:16.740 A lot of people are fucking new, right? 0.79

01:05:18.360 I mean, there's some people that I've talked to who are extremely smart, but you know, they're 0.99

01:05:22.720 six months into this. 0.98

01:05:24.280 They don't realize all the shit that we've had to deal with over the years. 0.99

01:05:26.920 I mean, I've been in this for fucking 15 years. 1.00

01:05:29.320 I remember like going all the way back to fucking 2008 with Ron fucking Paul and all the shit 0.99

01:05:34.280 that we had to deal with. 0.99

01:05:35.220 And before that, with Rothbard and the LP and Rothbard and dealing with the leftists

01:05:39.660 and SDS and YF. 0.77

01:05:41.060 I know I harped on that on every fucking podcast that I go on, but people really need to read 1.00

01:05:44.540 that shit. 0.99

01:05:45.420 But this is their tactic and we got to realize it. 1.00

01:05:48.200 We got to stop it.

01:05:49.000 A traitor is worse than an enemy.

01:05:51.340 Straight up. 0.78

01:05:51.900 Now here's another kind of devil's advocate thing.

01:05:55.580 Rothbard also like got together with David Duke because he was anti-war.

01:05:59.860 If Cato and Reason are anti-war guys, which we think that's probably what they're best 1.00

01:06:04.420 on as their foreign policy, would it not make sense to be like, they're at least allies

01:06:09.520 with getting the war stops.

01:06:11.780 Therefore, we can ally with them to, you know, do that.

01:06:14.840 And he didn't just ally with David Duke because of Buchanan.

01:06:18.420 Not because he was just saying that was David Duke.

01:06:22.860 Yeah.

01:06:23.380 David Duke, he cited, like, lowering taxes and, like, cutting the federal bureaucracy.

01:06:28.880 Yeah.

01:06:28.980 He had a very hardcore conservative platform.

01:06:32.280 But Rothbard did say, like, basically that if they're anti-war, we're good with them.

01:06:38.040 It's a good signal.

01:06:39.020 It's a good signal.

01:06:40.160 Yeah.

01:06:40.760 Yeah.

01:06:41.100 It doesn't necessarily, like, they're straight up evil people who don't like the war.

01:06:46.060 I mean, they're, like, they're, I'm sure there are anti-war people out there who support

01:06:50.520 this COVID regime, right?

01:06:51.980 I mean, like, that, you know, like, that can't be our only determinant factor.

01:06:56.840 It is a good signal.

01:06:57.720 I won't deny that.

01:06:58.920 If they're anti-war, they have to understand something, right?

01:07:01.360 But it doesn't, it doesn't totally describe who they are.

01:07:03.980 And I think at the end of the day.

01:07:04.980 I see, I see this COVID stuff as just a war on.

01:07:08.680 I do too.

01:07:09.380 I was just going to say a war on everyone.

01:07:11.880 It's not just a war on a particular country.

01:07:13.880 It's a war on, it's a war on the division of labor.

01:07:17.180 It's a war, it's a war on civilization by bureaucrats.

01:07:22.220 Yeah.

01:07:22.340 I mean, that's all it is.

01:07:23.420 Yeah.

01:07:23.680 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 Anti-societal agencies that just want all power for themselves and want to remove it from everyone

01:07:31.060 else.

01:07:32.200 That, I mean, yeah, this is just as much of a war as anything else.

01:07:35.960 Yeah.

01:07:36.360 Which is basically what I've kind of said to people, because like these, like libertarians 1.00

01:07:40.120 are the problem because we're all fucking autistic little retards. 0.99

01:07:42.500 They have to literally have to argue about everything. 1.00

01:07:45.380 Like whenever we were arguing, like open borders comes up, even the DeSantis thing, the abortion 0.64

01:07:49.960 stuff.

01:07:50.500 And just like, yeah, I mean, these things are kind of things going on.

01:07:54.060 But my main thing is I want to end these wars, the war on drugs, the wars overseas and

01:07:58.700 the wars on individuals and small business because of COVID.

01:08:01.700 That's all I really care about.

01:08:03.060 Everything else is not even secondary tertiary.

01:08:06.720 It's, I mean, it's so far down my list. 0.97

01:08:08.440 I don't give a fuck about it right now. 0.94

01:08:09.820 Let's just get together and end these things first. 1.00

01:08:12.440 And then we can argue about if we want moms to kill their kids in the womb. 1.00

01:08:17.040 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:08:17.920 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:18.160 I think that goes with libertarianism being a philosophical movement instead of a strictly

01:08:22.840 political movement.

01:08:24.400 That's where like people really just like to argue about things because they are hashing

01:08:30.300 it out themselves most of the time, including myself.

01:08:33.220 Like I don't, I don't, you know, I changed my positions on, on things less so lately than,

01:08:38.620 than I have, you know, in the past, but still like libertarianism being a political philosophy

01:08:42.740 first instead of just a political movement is definitely big.

01:08:48.220 But to build off of Jared's point earlier about Dave making a mistake whenever it comes

01:08:56.980 to like heaping, not heaping praise, but like at least giving praise to the Reason and the

01:09:02.060 Cato guys, because they're at least a part of the libertarian movement.

01:09:05.720 This is, this is the problem with being a libertarian populist over a right-wing populist

01:09:09.980 whenever it comes to running a sort of a populist campaign, even as a libertarian.

01:09:19.800 So the left libertarians hate right libertarians more than a right-wing, you know, paleocon, 0.61

01:09:29.620 whatever, hate a right libertarian.

01:09:31.580 And so this is what he's, this is what he's going to run into.

01:09:34.600 And I believe that it's a mistake that the, the left libertarians and even like the regime

01:09:39.480 libertarians will carry water for anyone, except for somebody who is more to the right

01:09:45.940 of them that is still a libertarian.

01:09:47.720 Right.

01:09:48.520 And this is, it'll never stop.

01:09:50.500 I mean, that's, that's their whole MO, right?

01:09:52.260 I mean, their MO is to destroy what is actual libertarian in order to pull it back this way,

01:09:57.960 which is why I keep saying we need to go the opposite direction because if we don't, we're

01:10:01.600 going to have major, major problems.

01:10:03.320 And Cato is a symptom of that problem.

01:10:05.800 I mean, they've been a symptom of that problem for a very long time and they've only gotten

01:10:09.200 bigger. 0.93

01:10:10.060 I mean, today, if Rothbard was around, he would be freaking the fuck out at how much

01:10:14.340 power and influence that Cato and Reason have.

01:10:16.900 And, and, you know, Mises has done a fantastic job.

01:10:19.800 I love Jeff Dice.

01:10:20.560 I love the Mises Institute, but they're, they're nowhere near the scale of Cato and Reason.

01:10:25.680 Like they're just not, I mean, they don't, they don't have the connections.

01:10:28.940 They don't, I don't think they have the funding.

01:10:30.940 Um, you know, they just don't. 0.98

01:10:33.340 And they, you know, Cato gets fucking grants from the United States government. 0.95

01:10:36.980 I mean, like the, they're, uh, you know, they're, they're there to do that. 0.97

01:10:42.140 They're not, they're not us.

01:10:43.820 And I don't care what anybody calls themselves. 0.99

01:10:46.760 Like I have more in common with a fucking, probably a regular boomer con than I do. 0.96

01:10:50.940 Most of the people Cato, like straight up, like most of my positions probably lie way 0.98

01:10:56.380 closer to those guys than anybody that just quote unquote calls themselves a libertarian,

01:11:00.680 calls themselves a libertarian.

01:11:02.120 I mean, I don't care. 1.00

01:11:03.460 I don't care about your fucking label. 0.99

01:11:05.200 I really don't. 0.99

01:11:06.000 I care about the fact that we can work towards a goal and that goal should be to get the 0.99

01:11:11.220 fuck out of here, to separate and blow us the fuck apart. 0.99

01:11:14.740 That should always be the goal. 1.00

01:11:17.040 Now, short term.

01:11:17.880 Sure.

01:11:18.160 I agree with Fat Dave.

01:11:19.100 There's definitely some things that we got fucking fixed like right now and whatever we 0.92

01:11:23.860 need to do to, to try and dissuade that and push that off. 0.95

01:11:27.080 Then yeah, let's fucking do it. 0.98

01:11:28.800 Absolutely. 0.94

01:11:29.640 But that doesn't mean that I'm going to incorporate these people into what we're doing.

01:11:33.720 You can work with people, right?

01:11:35.100 I mean, this is what the division of labor is.

01:11:36.940 This is what Hoppe talks about all the time with why you can have free trade and restricted

01:11:42.040 immigration is because you can work together with people.

01:11:45.000 Like you can work together with anyone towards a goal, but it doesn't mean you need to invite

01:11:48.520 them into your bedroom, right?

01:11:50.020 So that's really what I'm getting at is you can work with these people, but who gives a 0.98

01:11:55.240 fuck if they call themselves libertarians because they're mostly not. 0.97

01:11:57.980 I mean, and we should call that out whenever we can and say you're fucking wrong and we shouldn't 1.00

01:12:02.520 let it go by because the time we let it go by, they're going to gain power.

01:12:06.840 We're not.

01:12:07.680 And they're going to get their way in the end. 1.00

01:12:09.460 So fuck them. 1.00

01:12:10.660 Fuck Robby. 1.00

01:12:11.660 So a fuck pal. 1.00

01:12:14.240 Fuck you guys. 1.00

01:12:15.400 Like fuck everyone. 1.00

01:12:16.760 Like at the end of the day, Texas, especially those guys, you know, I don't know if I say 1.00

01:12:23.160 that too loud to get another call.

01:12:26.200 I got a piss up here.

01:12:27.480 Michael Heiss is going to be calling you up again.

01:12:29.360 Jesus Christ, man.

01:12:30.440 I wasn't trying to drop the name.

01:12:33.200 You're going to get a call from Pennsylvania, man.

01:12:35.560 It'll be Taylor.

01:12:37.420 No, what I was going to say, I don't, I don't agree with Fat Dave about Cato and Reason,

01:12:42.040 whoever actually being anti-war, by the way.

01:12:44.080 Like, I mean, if they were pushed on it, yeah, I suppose they would probably take an 0.93

01:12:48.840 anti-war stance in general, but they don't even really fucking talk about it. 0.96

01:12:52.340 Well, it's because they're shapeshifters. 0.98

01:12:54.940 I mean, that's what they do, right?

01:12:56.320 They're in libertarian circles.

01:12:57.980 They have this set of positions in the cocktail parties.

01:13:00.800 They have another set, right?

01:13:02.220 And that's what they do.

01:13:03.220 And, you know, I respect the game, right?

01:13:05.620 Like the game, they play it very well and they do a very good job of playing the game.

01:13:09.640 But at the end of the day, the game has totally destroyed everything that they were probably

01:13:15.680 originally trying to do. 0.98

01:13:17.260 With credit to the Mises Institute for staying in fucking Auburn, Alabama. 0.98

01:13:22.480 Right. 0.97

01:13:22.960 Instead of, like, literally, that's a credit to them because they saw Cato and Reason.

01:13:27.320 You know, I think Cato's based in Washington, D.C., isn't it?

01:13:29.860 Yes.

01:13:30.480 Yeah.

01:13:30.820 Or just outside of there.

01:13:31.960 It's, like, literally, like, and even, like, the Mises Institute was, like, we won't even

01:13:37.340 be in the capital of Alabama.

01:13:39.500 We'll be in not even the, like, I don't, I think Auburn may be in the top ten largest

01:13:44.560 cities in Alabama, but maybe not.

01:13:46.180 Maybe it's, like, right around the, like, at the end of that list.

01:13:50.080 But, like, we're going to be so far away from politics.

01:13:53.580 They couldn't be in a small town in Texas because then they'd get raided and get a bunch

01:13:57.720 of kids to go.

01:13:58.880 Yeah.

01:13:59.640 Yeah.

01:14:00.040 Yeah.

01:14:01.960 Yeah, or Idaho, apparently.

01:14:04.140 Yeah.

01:14:04.460 I mean, look, if we're going to look at this from a purely organizational standpoint, I think

01:14:12.440 we need a new organization.

01:14:13.980 I don't think we need the LP.

01:14:15.420 I think the LP should go away.

01:14:16.880 I think we should fight to destroy Reason and Cato, and we should fight to create some

01:14:21.520 kind of political action committee, a big one, that is purely for trying to destroy everything

01:14:29.120 and trying to tear us apart.

01:14:30.580 Now, you don't think the takeover of any of, like, any of those, the Reason, Cato, I don't

01:14:37.280 think that those will work, but, like, even the takeover of the LP that I think it's trying

01:14:41.600 to do?

01:14:41.860 I think if they succeed, I don't think it's going to be, I don't think it's really going

01:14:54.680 to do much.

01:14:55.620 Um, and that, the reason that I say that is because I don't think that, no offense to

01:15:00.220 anybody in here that's in the LP or anybody that's listening that's in the LP, but a lot

01:15:04.360 of the LP people don't understand how politics works and they never will.

01:15:08.740 Um, they, they never will. 0.96

01:15:11.240 I mean, like, you can't, you can't go into this thinking, oh, I'm going to be the fucking 0.98

01:15:16.120 president or even a state senator. 0.99

01:15:18.040 You're not going to fucking do it. 1.00

01:15:19.640 Like, throw all your fucking money at a fucking county in Florida. 1.00

01:15:24.700 Like, do that. 1.00

01:15:26.100 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:26.300 Take over the whole fucking thing. 1.00

01:15:28.120 Put everybody in there you possibly can. 0.99

01:15:30.040 Be the most libertarian dog catcher around in the country.

01:15:34.260 And do that, do that around the country.

01:15:36.420 Create cells.

01:15:37.840 Learn from how terrorists work, right?

01:15:39.980 Because if you create these cells around the country, you're going to be able to spread

01:15:44.580 from there and you keep bouncing back and forth and shifting the money around so they can't

01:15:47.860 keep up with you.

01:15:48.820 And you keep growing these individual cells and eventually you're going to get to what 1.00

01:15:52.680 Hoppe's strategy is, is take over these fucking towns and then try and fucking leave. 0.99

01:15:56.880 Right. 1.00

01:15:57.440 I mean, that's going to work.

01:15:59.540 Yeah.

01:15:59.740 And Heiss is, Heiss actually cited what must be done as the inspiration for the Mises caucus,

01:16:05.380 which, which I, you know, I didn't know that.

01:16:09.020 Um, and he actually, he said, I forget where I heard him say that it might've actually been

01:16:13.040 at the Pittsburgh event, which, um, which I commend them for, um, as of like, as somebody 0.99

01:16:18.940 who has switched between GOP and LP more than they've switched their fucking underpants. 0.95

01:16:24.580 Um, uh, like I, I give, I give the Mises caucus guys a lot of credit. 0.98

01:16:29.100 Um, and I like Heiss a lot and everything like that.

01:16:31.400 I just feel more at home in the GOP.

01:16:36.220 And I think that the GOP is a more fruitful ground for that sort of localism for that

01:16:42.240 sort of, you know, local political action than say the LP, just because of the stain

01:16:47.060 on the name that is the libertarian party, which is unfortunate because I get along with

01:16:52.360 more people at libertarian party events than I do at GOP events.

01:16:56.080 But I understand just the, in terms of power dynamics, I can get more done at a GOP event

01:17:01.440 than I can at an LP anything.

01:17:03.800 Yeah.

01:17:04.460 I think Jeremy Kaufman talks about it all the time where he's like in New Hampshire, we've

01:17:08.020 got legitimate, like Rothbardian and caps in state councils and shit like that.

01:17:12.500 As Anthony Sabatini in Florida. 0.84

01:17:17.320 In Florida.

01:17:18.180 Yeah.

01:17:18.900 Can I, can I, can I take a position here that I think every one of you is going to disagree

01:17:23.500 with.

01:17:23.940 I actually think, oh, he's doing it.

01:17:27.180 I know what he's going to say.

01:17:29.500 Actually, I don't think you do. 0.99

01:17:31.020 We already hate women. 1.00

01:17:32.320 It's fine. 1.00

01:17:32.780 If you want to kill them, go ahead. 1.00

01:17:34.720 I love women. 1.00

01:17:36.460 I think that the Free State Project is a mistake.

01:17:40.460 Oh, I don't, I don't know what a mistake, but I don't think it's, I don't, I don't disagree

01:17:44.100 with you that harshly on that.

01:17:45.760 Yeah.

01:17:46.040 I think that, I think that the reason that I think that the Free State Project is a mistake

01:17:50.220 and I'm sure, I'm sure Kaufman's going to come after me, right?

01:17:53.660 I'm sure Jeremy Kaufman's going to come after me. 1.00

01:17:55.340 He's going to tell you to suck his dick. 1.00

01:17:56.120 Oh yeah, he definitely watches the show. 1.00

01:17:57.620 Yeah, totally.

01:17:58.220 He's in the comments.

01:17:58.940 He's in the comments right now.

01:18:00.580 He's been on the show, man.

01:18:02.100 I know he has. 1.00

01:18:03.300 Like I said, he'll tell you to suck his dicks. 1.00

01:18:05.120 I think it's a mistake because you're doing it. 1.00

01:18:10.400 Fuck. 1.00

01:18:10.540 No, this is Jeremy. 1.00

01:18:12.040 This is Jeremy.

01:18:13.160 It's like, make your point later.

01:18:15.900 Make your point later.

01:18:16.340 Kaufman is doing it well.

01:18:17.680 We got only for another $2 here, by the way. 0.97

01:18:20.180 Purge the Cato and Reason fags, Fox. 1.00

01:18:23.820 That's why I'm going to say fags without getting the. 1.00

01:18:27.240 Oh yeah, that's right. 0.99

01:18:28.180 Yes, they are subversives.

01:18:30.260 And if you, you know that online hoppians, that is our favorite word. 0.99

01:18:35.600 So thank you.

01:18:36.740 I did what, I did what I mentioned in one comment.

01:18:38.660 Please don't trust it.

01:18:39.380 Don't dis Auburn like that. 0.59

01:18:40.660 I'm literally wearing an Auburn University shirt right now.

01:18:44.260 So I'm an Auburn fan.

01:18:46.260 Fat Dave is an Auburn fan.

01:18:47.980 Yeah.

01:18:48.180 I'm an Auburn fan.

01:18:49.300 So.

01:18:49.480 Jared, I think you're back.

01:18:50.360 Jared, are you alive?

01:18:51.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:52.360 What are you saying about the Free State Project?

01:18:54.020 It's a mistake.

01:18:54.600 Yeah, I think, I think they're making a tactic mistake because they're centralizing.

01:18:58.880 Sure.

01:18:59.480 What happens when you centralize?

01:19:02.760 You're, you're creating the conditions under which you can destroy yourself, right?

01:19:08.280 And you're going to end up getting subverted because people want power.

01:19:12.000 And I've heard several reports from people that are in New Hampshire that Free State Project

01:19:16.320 isn't exactly going as well as people want to make it sound like it is.

01:19:20.440 And I think that the reason is because they're getting a lot of people there who want to undermine

01:19:26.320 what they're doing.

01:19:27.280 And if you decentralize this like COPPA wants to, it's basically taking the Free State Project

01:19:31.980 and sprinkling it out across the country, right?

01:19:34.700 And I think that if you do that, you're going to have much more success because you can't

01:19:39.240 subvert them all and you can't destroy them all. 0.69

01:19:42.020 But when you create a single target for these people, they're going to fight back and they're

01:19:46.720 going to put money towards fighting back.

01:19:48.520 But they can't do it everywhere and they can't, and a lot of times these people don't care

01:19:52.540 about the super local level, right?

01:19:54.340 They care about the state level.

01:19:56.180 There are plenty of politicos that care about the state level, but they don't care about

01:19:59.980 the local level.

01:20:00.960 And if you can do that in the local level, your, your state representatives are going to 0.97

01:20:05.000 take notice and they're probably going to fucking come your way because they want to maintain 0.98

01:20:11.640 power. 0.96

01:20:12.480 Isn't one of the points of the Free State Project to do that though, to decentralize all over?

01:20:17.720 We're not, because I know there's, they're like basically saying like, here's the model

01:20:21.120 to use to get to where you can do this in your community.

01:20:24.500 But, but I don't think that's the case.

01:20:27.300 I haven't seen it.

01:20:28.140 Yeah.

01:20:28.260 I don't think so.

01:20:29.360 I'm talking to like what in my LP and LP Alabama, they had mentioned with their free

01:20:36.080 county project of doing the same kind of thing in Alabama, the same way as the Free State

01:20:40.760 Project did.

01:20:41.000 Well, no, because in the Free State Project, I know for a fact, like people that advocate

01:20:44.180 for the Free State Project are just saying, move to New Hampshire, move to New Hampshire.

01:20:47.700 That's right.

01:20:48.300 Right.

01:20:48.700 You're right.

01:20:49.320 You know, you're one.

01:20:50.380 I don't think that.

01:20:51.180 Yeah.

01:20:51.480 But I do agree.

01:20:52.260 Jared, I think you're making a point here.

01:20:54.360 I do think that if you, if you in particular, like you rhetorically, not, not any of y'all

01:20:59.320 in particular, but like you generally speak, if you believe that your efforts will be best 0.96

01:21:04.540 served going and doing shit with the Free State Project, go and do that. 0.97

01:21:07.820 But if you believe that your efforts are best served doing shit in the LP, then do that. 0.99

01:21:12.820 There's no reason we have to have one answer to anything. 0.95

01:21:16.740 So if you, but I do think that ultimately speak, ultimately, like generally speaking, 0.99

01:21:21.620 the best option, I think you're right, Jared, is like, just do your shit in your local city 0.99

01:21:25.560 or county or whatever that it is. 0.99

01:21:26.980 Because if you have a hundred different little cells around the country, as opposed to one

01:21:31.680 giant one, I think that is a much more effective way to fight the state.

01:21:35.740 I do.

01:21:35.920 I do agree with you on that.

01:21:36.800 Yeah.

01:21:37.000 Yeah.

01:21:37.240 Yeah.

01:21:37.620 I mean, look, I look at this from the approach of, you know, how, how has the biggest government

01:21:43.460 or biggest state on earth been defeated?

01:21:45.460 And they've mostly been defeated by a bunch of these little terrorist cells or people that

01:21:50.320 hide in the woods, right?

01:21:52.160 Decentralized guerrilla fighters.

01:21:53.580 Exactly.

01:21:53.980 It's decentralized warfare.

01:21:55.320 And that's really what we have to do.

01:21:56.640 We have to realize we're in a war with the state.

01:21:58.220 You're supposed to do the eyedrops off screen.

01:22:00.040 So it's not obvious.

01:22:00.580 Well, wait a minute.

01:22:02.760 That we're like splitting up, right?

01:22:05.320 Like kind of like what happened to the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia or something like that.

01:22:10.280 Well, that makes it easier to split up though, doesn't it?

01:22:12.380 If you've got places all over the place.

01:22:14.840 Here's the tagline. 0.97

01:22:16.500 Be the cancer that the state already is to you. 1.00

01:22:19.860 Like you kill them as cancer. 0.91

01:22:21.680 So of like where we are cancer all throughout the body, just little cells, not one big tumor

01:22:26.260 that they can cut off.

01:22:27.540 Be John McCain's tumor.

01:22:29.480 No, no, no.

01:22:30.160 It'll be John McCain's tumor because he had that one.

01:22:32.000 I mean, he still killed him.

01:22:33.520 That's too convoluted for a slogan.

01:22:35.880 It needs to be more punchy.

01:22:37.240 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:37.420 I'm sorry.

01:22:38.080 Put that on a buffer. 0.93

01:22:39.080 Be the cancer that the state already is. 0.61

01:22:42.140 Yeah. 0.67

01:22:42.640 I get Fat Day's point though.

01:22:44.180 And he's exactly right.

01:22:44.820 I do.

01:22:45.100 Yeah, I agree.

01:22:45.760 You don't want one thing.

01:22:46.540 You can just lop off.

01:22:47.400 You need lymphoma, not tumor cancer.

01:22:50.600 Yeah, I was going to say lymphoma.

01:22:52.040 Yeah.

01:22:52.220 Well, yeah.

01:22:52.740 I mean, I guess my take on this would be to just, I'm fine with like any and all of these

01:22:58.980 approaches all happening at once.

01:23:01.120 Like if you want to do whatever the free state process is doing. 0.99

01:23:03.200 That's a fucking cop out, dude. 0.99

01:23:04.380 No, no, no. 1.00

01:23:06.920 You just got fucking owned to it. 0.98

01:23:09.080 I'm sorry. 0.98

01:23:09.800 I don't think so because like at the national level, the intention is not to win. 0.98

01:23:14.440 You know, you're not going to win like a fucking office or something like that. 0.94

01:23:16.900 You're trying to get more people to learn about the ideology. 0.99

01:23:20.380 I was going to say what in a basketball game.

01:23:23.360 My intention wasn't to win.

01:23:25.060 So let me make it.

01:23:26.760 I'm sorry, you go ahead.

01:23:27.680 This is politics, man.

01:23:29.320 This is.

01:23:29.700 I know.

01:23:30.200 I'm kidding.

01:23:31.100 Let me make the counter argument to you, Toad.

01:23:33.100 So if there are a bunch of people that are working towards somewhat of the same goal,

01:23:39.160 but they're all taking different strategies and they're all ending up with different results,

01:23:42.620 ultimately you're not going to end up with any of those results.

01:23:46.540 I think that at the end of the day, we need, do need to focus.

01:23:50.620 And I think that we need to, as a libertarian community, come together in such a way that

01:23:56.520 we can efficiently use our resources, right?

01:24:00.240 We need to embrace the division of labor here.

01:24:02.300 And I don't think that trying to pursue different strategies that are probably not an efficient

01:24:08.440 use of our time is going to get us there.

01:24:11.020 I think that ultimately, if we decide that the state is terrible and it needs to be destroyed

01:24:18.040 and we need to get away from it, we need to focus on a couple of things and push really

01:24:23.420 hard at those things.

01:24:24.780 What are the most reasonable approaches to getting this done?

01:24:27.860 What are the most efficient means and resources of getting this done, right?

01:24:31.540 This is what the market does every day.

01:24:33.620 It decides, you know, through individuals, through distribution of individuals, what is

01:24:38.960 the most efficient means of distributing these goods?

01:24:41.880 Well, what's the most efficient means of collapsing the state, right?

01:24:45.120 And I think it's, it behooves us.

01:24:47.720 It's like agorism, agorism.

01:24:50.980 Well, I'm also not a collapsitarian, but in some ways it almost sounds like you want to

01:24:55.060 maybe centralize certain things, which I don't know.

01:24:57.860 I was saying decentralize.

01:25:00.940 So the goal can be one thing, right?

01:25:06.840 Or a few things, but you can decentralize how to get to that goal, right?

01:25:11.200 You're not necessarily telling we all have to come together and then come into this political

01:25:15.600 party and do this one thing and get it done this way.

01:25:18.360 I'm not saying that.

01:25:19.120 All I'm saying is that we have to come towards some kind of unified idea of how to destroy

01:25:25.460 the state.

01:25:26.580 And when we discover that and when we agree or we can convince the majority of people,

01:25:31.540 then we decentralize the division of labor across different groups and different peoples,

01:25:36.680 not trying to do it all in the same place.

01:25:38.840 Yeah.

01:25:39.280 I feel like with all strategy, I feel like with all strategy, I was going to read this super

01:25:42.460 chat real quick.

01:25:44.060 Why is that?

01:25:44.360 We need little Liberty sleeper cells everywhere. 0.91

01:25:48.180 It's pretty funny.

01:25:49.260 They get activated by saying, reduce the problem by one.

01:25:53.480 I feel like it's pretty clear though that like the all idea, there's, you got to at least

01:25:57.840 admit some of those aren't effective uses of time.

01:26:00.800 I agree.

01:26:01.120 Like there's got to be some sort of like logical, like there's no way all of these are ideal.

01:26:07.460 So like, so yes, I get the like, oh, we'll have a competing market of tactics, but then

01:26:12.120 then those will just fail.

01:26:14.060 A lot of people.

01:26:14.900 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:15.580 So some of those are failing and we're making the argument right now on this very podcast

01:26:19.600 of which ones are failing and which ones aren't.

01:26:22.180 So we're essentially appealing to people which are better and which aren't.

01:26:25.340 And hopefully people aren't told enough to do it one way or another. 1.00

01:26:27.840 And they don't fucking accept that they're failing, which is why you have idiots who 1.00

01:26:31.000 are running for Congress in the LP. 1.00

01:26:33.200 Right.

01:26:33.600 Stop doing that. 0.99

01:26:35.000 If you're going to run for a position in the LP, don't run for fucking Congress or a state 1.00

01:26:40.540 office. 0.98

01:26:41.160 And do something smart with the resource of the time.

01:26:45.300 It depends how you develop success.

01:26:48.340 If libertarians want to win, they need all of you to start a podcast.

01:26:52.080 How many people have ever run a successful campaign other than Ron Paul, who did it with

01:26:58.500 the Republican Party every time he did it?

01:27:00.340 In 1998, that didn't do anything.

01:27:02.200 How many people have run a successful national campaign for any office that's changed anybody's

01:27:07.280 mind?

01:27:07.580 I also want to say about the Ron Paul thing is that everyone always bring up Ron Paul

01:27:11.940 to criticize this tactic or that tactic or like, well, Ron Paul did this or Ron Paul

01:27:16.380 did that.

01:27:17.140 The fact that we point to one person is an argument in and of itself.

01:27:20.860 That's what I'm saying.

01:27:22.140 That's what I'm saying.

01:27:23.020 Like how many people, like if you're talking about messaging, messaging, messaging, for

01:27:26.680 you want to run a campaign to be, well, how many times has that ever happened?

01:27:31.000 How many times has it been successful?

01:27:34.220 Arguably once.

01:27:34.980 I think it's a, I think it's fair to look at that at success rates.

01:27:39.340 And I think that that's why I always advocate people to look at the left because the left

01:27:43.020 has been enormously successful in everything that they do. 0.99

01:27:45.880 So let's copy their fucking tactics and use them against them, right? 0.99

01:27:49.160 Use them against the state. 0.99

01:27:50.100 Let's, let's try and do this in that way.

01:27:52.380 I mean, I knew the best libertarians were bartenders.

01:27:57.220 I mean, I mean, arguably the, the revolutionaries and the Bolsheviks were largely successful.

01:28:04.740 So why aren't we looking at how they started?

01:28:07.300 Like, I'm not saying that we need to go and have a violent revolution right now or anything,

01:28:11.300 but you're not saying that.

01:28:14.060 He's not, he's not Justin O'Donnell.

01:28:16.600 But, but you get what I'm saying though, right?

01:28:18.420 Like, let's look at the strategies that have worked historically and trying to use them

01:28:22.520 for ourselves.

01:28:23.600 And I think that if we say, you know, well, you know, my strategy is sticking my thumb 0.99

01:28:27.380 in my ass and screaming outside, you know, that may not necessarily work. 0.99

01:28:31.420 Right. 0.99

01:28:31.940 So let's not do those things.

01:28:35.320 Sounds like a good day to me. 0.97

01:28:37.900 We're talking about sticking, sticking a lot of things in asses on this episode. 0.98

01:28:41.760 By the way, real quick. 0.99

01:28:43.800 I'm gay.

01:28:44.700 At what point do we, at what point do we, at what point do you, are you supposed to take

01:28:48.060 up arms?

01:28:48.740 At what point do we as libertarians say, okay, enough is enough.

01:28:51.660 Like none of the political options are working.

01:28:53.960 When you have the ability to, when you actually have the infrastructure for it.

01:28:57.720 Yeah.

01:28:58.860 From a, from a tactical standpoint, Jose, Jose's right.

01:29:02.400 From, from a perspective of, you know, I'm a man and this is who I am.

01:29:06.300 And, you know, I have positions and I have lines that won't be crossed.

01:29:10.520 I think every man has to have a line in the soil that says, this is too far and I'm done.

01:29:15.140 And if you don't have that, you're not a man.

01:29:16.840 Um, I think that for a couple of things, I can point to a couple of things, which is 0.99

01:29:22.220 I'm not going to a fucking camp. 1.00

01:29:24.040 I don't care if they call it a COVID camp or a fucking concentration camp. 1.00

01:29:27.540 I'm not going to a, I'm not going to a fucking camp unless it's summer camp. 1.00

01:29:31.180 You think that's a swimming pool? 1.00

01:29:31.940 Yeah.

01:29:32.560 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:33.280 Like I'm not going to a fucking camp and I'm not giving up my guns. 0.99

01:29:36.620 Um, if that happens, it's done. 1.00

01:29:39.040 Like I'll, I'll, I'll die. 0.98

01:29:40.660 I mean, I'm not saying that I'm, I'm going to kill cops. 0.98

01:29:44.240 I'm not going to do that.

01:29:45.200 If anybody from the NSA is listening, I'm not going to do anything that's going to put

01:29:51.880 me in prison.

01:29:52.520 I promise.

01:29:52.780 Taylor, I thought you said you weren't Jewish.

01:29:56.880 I'm Irish German. 0.99

01:29:59.200 You, you forced them to kill you. 0.92

01:30:01.200 I was going to say, I want to address these comments because nobody's hating on Dave Smith.

01:30:06.140 I love Dave.

01:30:07.720 I love Dave.

01:30:08.660 The point that we're making is that obviously, and the point we, we know that he said it's

01:30:18.820 going to be a glorified speaking tour.

01:30:20.220 I'm not saying that that's a bad move.

01:30:21.880 The point is, I'm saying like, you have to look at cost benefit analysis, right?

01:30:25.600 Like you have to, baby, I mean, I don't know if I'm just super autistic or I mean, I am,

01:30:32.420 I am super autistic in like some degree, but like, or if I, because I became what I am because

01:30:37.160 of figuring out economics and shit like that, but that I look at it this way.

01:30:40.460 But dude, you have to understand that some things are not worth doing.

01:30:43.880 Like some is a cost benefit analysis.

01:30:45.660 All it is.

01:30:46.100 I'm not saying that what Dave is doing is not a good idea, but the man's been on Joe Rogan

01:30:50.740 six times.

01:30:51.760 Like that's as big of an audience that he could possibly ever reach. 0.99

01:30:55.300 So just running for president does not give him any bigger of a fucking platform than he 0.96

01:31:00.940 would ever be able to achieve via the internet, whether it's Twitter, YouTube, whatever any of 0.98

01:31:05.360 these platforms are just running for president doesn't do anything for him.

01:31:09.320 Just organ, like just, and I think it's an inefficient use of resources for him to run

01:31:14.740 for president at all.

01:31:16.240 If you want to run for president, just to keep your, you know, your ballot access and

01:31:19.700 stuff like that, spend $10 on a flyer that you hand to one person, right?

01:31:23.840 Like just make the minimum effort possible and then efficiently use those resources in other

01:31:29.320 places that can actually make a difference. 0.98

01:31:31.140 Be the kingmaker, go to the, go to the fucking state, your state rep and say, Hey, if you 0.97

01:31:36.600 give us some positions in your cabinet or give us these changes in these laws that we 0.98

01:31:40.720 want, then maybe we'll not run anybody against you to make sure that the Democrat doesn't

01:31:45.180 win.

01:31:45.460 Right?

01:31:45.820 Like these are the kind of political things that these, that this, that this entity needs

01:31:49.620 to do if it wants to have any kind of success.

01:31:52.060 And, and Nick, uh, whatever your name is there, guy, the highlighted comment.

01:31:55.660 Yeah.

01:31:55.860 As long as it's him or Spike Cohen, we'll have somebody that can actually speak the message without 1.00

01:31:59.780 sounding like an absolute moron. 0.99

01:32:01.100 I would say, go ahead. 1.00

01:32:04.520 Yeah.

01:32:04.860 I'd absolutely prefer Dave over Spike Cohen. 0.83

01:32:07.940 Cause Spike Cohen is literally just fucking watered down leftism with a libertarian leaning. 0.94

01:32:17.240 We have that. 0.96

01:32:18.620 If it was just a matter of putting the right words in the right order, we would have won

01:32:23.160 already a hundred times over.

01:32:24.880 We would have won already.

01:32:26.080 That's, that's not what we need.

01:32:27.980 It's clearly not a matter of messaging.

01:32:29.920 We have the messengers, right?

01:32:31.780 We have the messengers for this beautiful.

01:32:33.260 And admittedly, we have the reach, um, we do more reach now than we've ever had before

01:32:40.620 and going, going on a speaking tour is not going to get you anymore.

01:32:44.060 I mean, look at the ratings for, for YouTube shows or 1988 or whatever. 0.99

01:32:48.660 Look at the ratings, look at, look at the number of views YouTube video gets versus a fucking 0.98

01:32:54.380 show on CNN where they're doing a presidential debate. 0.97

01:32:56.800 They're blowing the hell out of the water on YouTube versus these, these, these, uh, presidential

01:33:02.780 debates. 0.99

01:33:03.240 So who gives a shit about that? 0.99

01:33:05.060 Right. 0.99

01:33:05.180 Take that money and fucking win the dog catcher position because the dog catcher position has 1.00

01:33:09.480 some fucking worth. 0.99

01:33:10.420 This goes into the idea of why I, why I consider myself or part of why I consider myself to 0.99

01:33:15.500 be a populist.

01:33:16.200 It's like how many people who watch those presidential debates actually sit there and

01:33:21.140 think, okay, this person's being honest.

01:33:23.700 This is actually what he believes, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

01:33:26.520 Like we all know that people, politicians are dirty and evil and corrupt and awful. 0.99

01:33:31.940 Like if that's not something people don't already know. 0.99

01:33:34.140 So yeah, you're, you're, you're appealing, you're appealing to the lowest common denominator

01:33:38.360 at that point.

01:33:39.060 Right.

01:33:39.220 What else is Dave going to do to reach it?

01:33:40.840 Go on Joe Rogan, dude.

01:33:42.460 Yeah.

01:33:42.940 Well, I mean, he's bigger than the LP national and I get you in the election season, but like

01:33:47.780 at what cost?

01:33:49.060 Right. 0.98

01:33:49.340 Like is in like, cool, you get a boost, but like, what the fuck did you get out of it? 0.98

01:33:53.580 Yeah. 0.98

01:33:53.840 You got another one.

01:33:55.220 Rand Paul ran in 2016 for president.

01:33:59.040 Well, I already got 2%.

01:34:00.140 Yeah.

01:34:01.180 Well, what did the, what did that, what did that do for him?

01:34:03.740 It made him look worse.

01:34:05.420 The only thing that made him look better.

01:34:07.500 The argument is that Dave would be more principled and have a better message.

01:34:11.000 And I agree, but like, and I know everybody says he has his media buddies, but like when

01:34:17.900 the, if he legit in any way becomes sort of some sort of threat, do you really like, I

01:34:23.000 don't know what moves will happen or what things will happen.

01:34:25.460 I don't, I don't see that.

01:34:26.520 Look what they did to Ron. 1.00

01:34:27.900 Look what they did to Ron and the fucking Republican party. 1.00

01:34:30.380 You don't think that they're going to fucking do this to a fucking libertarian. 0.99

01:34:33.740 And a third party, they would, of course, like the top yield guys. 0.99

01:34:39.520 I'm not saying they're like, not big time, but they're not like, they're clearly people 0.99

01:34:43.300 in the network that they could be like, meh, like the network doesn't care to fuck them 0.99

01:34:46.660 over. 0.99

01:34:47.160 The state doesn't either.

01:34:48.160 I mean, like you could, you could see, like, I, I, I would have absolutely no, I would

01:34:54.440 not be surprised at all.

01:34:55.520 If he started making any kind of traction at all, if a video, a deep fake video came 0.99

01:35:00.240 out of him touching fucking kids or something like that's the kind of shit these people 1.00

01:35:03.780 will go to. 1.00

01:35:04.340 They're literally the most thanks. 0.99

01:35:06.020 It's all they have to, all they have to do is release his legion of skank shit. 1.00

01:35:10.240 LOS. 1.00

01:35:10.880 Yeah.

01:35:11.200 I don't think that would be bad.

01:35:13.680 I don't think that would be bad.

01:35:15.360 Yeah.

01:35:15.880 No, I don't think it'll be bad.

01:35:17.980 I'm just saying that like, they'll try and bury him at this point in time, because I feel

01:35:21.460 like there would be political pressure from within the LP to get him to denounce it.

01:35:24.860 I don't think he'd denounce it, but I don't think he would double down like he should.

01:35:28.620 Yeah.

01:35:28.920 And that's right.

01:35:30.100 Jose just nailed it on the head.

01:35:32.440 He literally said it.

01:35:34.700 I don't think, why would he ever be like, I don't know.

01:35:37.960 I feel like, he's a special comedian.

01:35:40.800 Have you seen how political parties behave?

01:35:42.460 He had, we missed the super chat here, by the way.

01:35:45.200 Yes, but.

01:35:46.120 The bottom of the state.

01:35:47.460 The bottom of the state.

01:35:48.780 No one.

01:35:49.360 Thank you.

01:35:50.460 But, you know, like, again, I like Dave.

01:35:53.720 I'm going to say this a hundred times.

01:35:55.060 I like Dave.

01:35:55.920 But, he has rolled back his rhetoric with this approach to going into this election.

01:36:02.280 And he's going to only get worse with rolling back the rhetoric.

01:36:05.420 And that's not what we need.

01:36:07.200 We need to roll back the rhetoric.

01:36:13.100 But, you guys see what I'm saying, right?

01:36:15.160 I mean, like, we need to double down.

01:36:16.520 This isn't true.

01:36:17.520 That's not true.

01:36:19.060 He's building a reputation within the political party right now.

01:36:22.120 If he didn't have anything to lose, he wouldn't have said on our show about debating other people that he has his whole reputation at stake every time he debates.

01:36:29.940 Yeah, if he didn't have anything to lose, then he wouldn't have toned it down with the rhetoric.

01:36:34.980 By definition, this is Ms. Essie and he's demonstrated his preference.

01:36:38.980 Who knows what's up?

01:36:40.200 And rightfully so.

01:36:41.440 If you're getting into politics like that on the national scale, of course, you understand that kind of thing.

01:36:47.140 I'm not saying he's wrong for doing it in the context of what and why he is doing it.

01:36:51.040 But the fact of the matter is he does have something to lose, and he knows that he does, else he wouldn't have changed course.

01:36:57.540 Right.

01:36:58.220 And cautioned other people to change course.

01:37:00.760 And this is kind of a symptom of that libertarians can't learn from experience.

01:37:06.100 And, you know, if anything, we should have learned from the fact that during the time of the Trump-Clinton election, we had the best opportunity in history, and we fielded a joke.

01:37:19.620 Like, number one.

01:37:20.860 Then number two.

01:37:21.700 A Joe joke.

01:37:22.960 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:25.640 And then.

01:37:26.600 No, that was Gary Johnson. 1.00

01:37:28.620 Stupid. 1.00

01:37:28.820 Yeah, yeah, Gary Johnson. 1.00

01:37:29.700 And then number two, Trump was immensely popular because he doubled down on fucking everything, and he didn't back off. 0.99

01:37:38.800 We should have fucking learned from that and gone as hardcore as fucking possible. 0.98

01:37:42.980 But they're never going to do this because they have this conception of politics as being something that the Cato Institute and the Reason magazines of the world have put into their heads that you have to be respectable. 0.99

01:37:56.280 Right? 0.99

01:37:56.580 And that – fuck that. 1.00

01:37:58.600 Fuck that. 1.00

01:37:59.380 And that's what's – that is the danger of being in bed with those types of people is that's what they're going to convince you of. 1.00

01:38:06.420 Look at these statistics, or look at what we did here, or look what we got done here, and here's how we did it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:38:13.360 The Cato guys are still like, yes, they have a lot more reach and a lot more power than the Mises Institute, but they're still nothing.

01:38:21.500 They're still nothing.

01:38:22.900 Like, they get some –

01:38:23.700 I think the Mises Institute has a disproportionate amount of reach, though.

01:38:26.720 Yes.

01:38:27.180 Like, for as small as they are and for as niche as these ideas are, millions of people shouldn't be espousing Austrian economics.

01:38:34.800 Right.

01:38:35.100 Like, on paper, right?

01:38:37.120 Right.

01:38:37.500 Like, this is proof that we have more reach than even we need.

01:38:41.300 Right.

01:38:41.980 Exactly.

01:38:42.880 It is a demonstration of that the Cato and Reason guys are PBX, and the Mises Institute is the splitting of an atom, right?

01:38:55.380 Like, we're only splitting one atom, but we got some release of nuclear energy here.

01:38:59.380 We're not blowing up Composition B in the back alley, right?

01:39:03.660 And that's – they've got a whole fucking truckload of Composition B, but we've got one atom, and we learned how to split it, right? 0.98

01:39:09.920 So let's get some more fucking atoms and split those. 1.00

01:39:12.540 Looks like someone wants to start a fight, so. 1.00

01:39:16.540 Let's avoid this topic.

01:39:18.820 I definitely think that, Jose, you are very atypical of agorist. 1.00

01:39:26.560 Every agorist I've interacted with is a fucking faggot loser. 1.00

01:39:30.480 And you are so different than every other – maybe you should start calling yourself something else, but you don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:39:37.880 I think everybody – I mean, Toad and Dable – Toad and Cole will probably agree. 0.98

01:39:45.140 Like, I mean, you're way different than any other agorist I've ever spoken to ever.

01:39:49.660 There's like, what, three you know of probably?

01:39:53.140 There are a lot of self-proclaimed agorists that have come after me on Twitter before, so I don't know.

01:39:57.800 I just love Jose B.

01:40:00.300 Because you're like, oh, yeah, ANCAPs are like 99% in agreement with agorists.

01:40:04.060 I'm like, I don't see that from the interactions I've had with agorists. 0.92

01:40:07.920 I think it's other than you. 0.99

01:40:09.280 I think it's an angry atheist phenomenon, and I've talked about this before, where you're like, you want to convince people, and you think that if you're going to be an asshole, that'll work. 0.97

01:40:16.900 Like, when we're talking about, like, some other things, like, I'm not saying we need to always be friendly. 0.96

01:40:21.600 Like, there's certain people – but you're not trying to persuade. 0.99

01:40:24.720 If you're trying to persuade, being an asshole is not a good tactic. 0.97

01:40:27.800 So, I mean, not that I'm saying that every, like, interaction with people, I'm like – like, with you guys, I'm implicitly going to be like, I'm going to convince them. 1.00

01:40:36.240 But it's just like, if I do at all, want you to be amenable to my ideas, me being an asshole is fucking retarded. 0.99

01:40:41.560 Like, it just doesn't make sense. 1.00

01:40:42.560 Catch more flies with honey than I've been. 0.97

01:40:44.880 I don't disagree with you, but that's kind of my thing, like, being a prick.

01:40:48.960 Yeah, but I'm saying you're not trying to persuade them. 0.99

01:40:50.660 Yeah, but you're just a prick. 0.99

01:40:51.680 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:51.960 That's just what it is.

01:40:53.060 It's different.

01:40:53.520 And I'm not trying to persuade anybody from the left or anybody from the real reason.

01:40:58.880 I have no pretense, right?

01:41:00.240 I'm straight up – I don't want to talk to you people.

01:41:02.520 I'm blocked off.

01:41:03.980 I'm here to convert people that I know I can reach and that I know my message has bearing with.

01:41:09.360 And that's all it is, and that's all it will ever be. 0.99

01:41:11.660 And that's why I'm sure, like, the faggertarians or whatever they're fucking called, the faggertarians guys, they fucking despise me because I won't interact with them. 1.00

01:41:21.160 And I've told everybody that's in our circle, don't fucking interact with them because you're only giving them – you're only giving them exposure. 0.99

01:41:29.720 Nail in the coffin this Friday. 0.99

01:41:32.360 Josh is going to put the nail in the coffin.

01:41:33.920 Good.

01:41:34.460 I like Josh.

01:41:35.160 And it's going to be totally over.

01:41:36.800 There's definitely been a bigger movement lately to just do, like, blocks and stuff, which I initially for a long time was, like, we should ridicule, then ignore.

01:41:45.120 Now I'm starting to lean more towards just straight-up ignore.

01:41:47.820 Same, brother.

01:41:48.400 Same.

01:41:49.240 Yeah, me too.

01:41:50.060 It's cathartic to ridicule, but I don't know what we get out of it.

01:41:53.760 It does signal to the in-group, though.

01:41:56.100 I'm trying to be a better person.

01:41:57.940 Although on Twitter, if you guys follow me, I think everyone here does, you don't see me spitting much vitriol.

01:42:06.800 On there, but, like – 0.99

01:42:07.960 Because you're an optics cuck. 0.99

01:42:09.220 You're the optics cuck. 1.00

01:42:09.640 I am. 0.99

01:42:10.560 I am the optics cuck.

01:42:11.560 And you're the best guy. 0.59

01:42:13.560 Let me say this.

01:42:14.120 He is.

01:42:14.540 Taylor is the best guy for optics, period.

01:42:18.200 And that's why Taylor – that's why Taylor's our – he's our BD guy.

01:42:22.320 He's our business development guy because I can't have somebody like me – 1.00

01:42:25.640 You can't have somebody autistic like me that will come on and just, like, talk for a fucking hour and talk your fucking ear off at these people and be a total fucking asshole and a prick. 1.00

01:42:37.380 You'd be mad that you don't understand. 1.00

01:42:38.700 And then people like Jeff Deist overhear me, and they're like, fuck, that guy's fucking autistic. 1.00

01:42:43.920 Like, I'm not going to do that, right? 1.00

01:42:46.440 But Taylor is a really good dude, and he's really smart, and he's very good at getting the message across without coming off like an absolute asshole like I am. 0.81

01:42:54.840 But I want to get these super chats. 0.97

01:42:57.020 So Thrawn Burgundy said pee-pee poo-poo, which I know we didn't do.

01:43:00.300 We didn't do a lot of pee-pee poo-poo this episode, unfortunately.

01:43:03.240 I didn't even see that one. 0.89

01:43:04.360 Is that like a gay thing? 0.98

01:43:07.300 What is that?

01:43:07.920 No, no. 1.00

01:43:08.260 That's just like stupid shitpost-y nonsense. 1.00

01:43:10.080 It's Jose's quote that we can do big brain time and also pee-pee poo-poo. 1.00

01:43:18.880 Guys, I know.

01:43:19.960 We're leaving it out of there.

01:43:21.580 I'm sorry.

01:43:22.340 All right.

01:43:22.760 Please be patient.

01:43:24.240 I have autism.

01:43:26.320 Nick, I told you the other day you're not autistic. 0.99

01:43:28.520 You're gay. 1.00

01:43:29.740 That's true. 0.90

01:43:31.540 He's both.

01:43:32.280 He's both. 0.93

01:43:32.720 Yes, artists are typically gay. 0.88

01:43:37.060 Watson said Carrie and Harless endorse Dave on part of the problem. 0.98

01:43:42.900 Cool.

01:43:43.420 Yeah, but she did it after she – 1.00

01:43:46.000 Great.

01:43:46.460 Like I do want to point this out.

01:43:47.640 She did it after she got kicked from her position. 0.99

01:43:50.740 So it's like once –

01:43:51.920 No, no, no, no.

01:43:52.740 I understand.

01:43:54.080 I understand.

01:43:55.360 I don't care your motive there, but she didn't –

01:43:58.120 like she clearly couldn't if she was in an official position.

01:44:01.060 Right.

01:44:01.300 She had to play neutral.

01:44:02.900 She's been friendly with Dave for forever.

01:44:05.060 She's been friendly with everybody.

01:44:06.680 She's amazing.

01:44:09.220 We're going to get her on the show. 0.80

01:44:10.680 She's cool.

01:44:11.520 I despise LP internal politics so much, which is why I switched back to GOP last week.

01:44:19.340 I'm sorry, Michael, if you ever watched this.

01:44:21.360 I will proudly declare I've never been a member of the Libertarian Party.

01:44:28.880 I know you're joking, Marshall.

01:44:30.520 It's not a big deal, brother.

01:44:32.040 Then Amoy Kane said, Respectful is injecting three-year-olds with estrogen.

01:44:36.940 Yes.

01:44:38.460 You know, that's funny, but he makes a good point.

01:44:41.020 That's where it's going, right?

01:44:42.400 I mean, that's where it's going.

01:44:43.380 Yeah, in 2025 reason, I'll be like, ah, the case for transgender two-year-olds.

01:44:48.480 Exactly.

01:44:49.260 Literally.

01:44:50.200 The Overton window is just getting just pushed.

01:44:52.560 Yes.

01:44:53.920 And honestly, and again, it goes back to the craziest thing is when it gets finally pushed back.

01:44:58.220 I know it's not necessarily Overton window, but when there's pushback by DeSantis of saying, like, no, we're just not going to allow – 0.94

01:45:04.160 Well, you're a Nazi. 0.62

01:45:05.420 And then it's like, no, this is bad. 0.98

01:45:07.100 Like, oh, I'm sorry.

01:45:07.920 Like, they'll literally push it.

01:45:09.540 That's what Europe's got with?

01:45:09.980 It doesn't matter.

01:45:10.900 They'll push it as hard as they can to one side.

01:45:13.160 You can only go on the defensive.

01:45:14.800 You can only go on the defensive for so long.

01:45:17.140 Right.

01:45:17.740 I mean, that's really it. 0.85

01:45:18.900 They're now at the point where they're basically advocating for aborting transgender babies, though.

01:45:24.700 So maybe I'm okay with that. 1.00

01:45:27.080 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:45:28.820 I mean, this dude is totally right. 1.00

01:45:30.880 I mean, everyone knows, obviously, I don't agree – or not even necessarily agree.

01:45:33.880 Do you know Michael?

01:45:34.480 I don't prefer –

01:45:35.720 This dude.

01:45:36.060 Do you know who Michael is?

01:45:37.400 Oh, I probably don't.

01:45:38.200 Michael –

01:45:38.620 Yeah, Michael.

01:45:39.020 Who do?

01:45:39.500 From Tower Gang.

01:45:40.080 That's our boy.

01:45:41.040 It's our homie.

01:45:42.240 He's in Tower Gang, bro.

01:45:43.460 I don't know Michael.

01:45:44.620 I probably do.

01:45:45.320 I'll think of it later.

01:45:46.320 But yeah, no, I mean, like, while it was in, like, my ultimate.

01:45:48.900 That's my, like – like, I have an order of preference.

01:45:50.940 This is definitely, like, my number two.

01:45:52.880 But, like, if you're going to be involved in politics, this is the best way to go about it.

01:45:56.800 Yeah, I totally agree.

01:45:58.200 I mean, we'll be soon.

01:46:02.340 Marshall says everyone in the chat donate.

01:46:04.960 Yes, sure.

01:46:05.600 Go ahead.

01:46:06.000 Everyone in the chat, give us money.

01:46:09.200 Send me your money.

01:46:11.200 Yeah, Grifter.

01:46:13.260 Hey, by the way, I'm glad the Grifter thing has stopped. 1.00

01:46:15.760 I don't know – or maybe I just don't see it anymore. 0.97

01:46:17.760 I re-highlighted this because Brandon's quote that fucking Grifter is when someone you don't like gets 10 bucks. 0.98

01:46:30.060 That's good. 0.98

01:46:33.020 But I think it's because we blocked everybody calling us Grifters at this point.

01:46:36.580 Or we got them to shut up.

01:46:38.320 Maybe they blocked us.

01:46:39.380 That weirdly, I feel like, has worked to our success in a certain kind of way because these people are just behind the block screeching and screeching and screeching.

01:46:46.100 Yeah, it's like, who cares?

01:46:47.980 I mean, I don't care, but it's kind of funny because it's like, in a sense, that's our best marketing.

01:46:52.420 Right.

01:46:53.240 Right, exactly.

01:46:53.900 No, no, I think it's funny, but I'm saying, like, who cares, like, to them in particular?

01:46:57.940 You know what I mean?

01:46:58.520 Oh, yeah.

01:46:58.920 No, for me, I just laugh.

01:47:00.120 Okay, you're hollering. 0.99

01:47:01.100 I don't give a shit. 1.00

01:47:01.920 Okay, nigga, and? 1.00

01:47:03.920 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:47:04.460 I just laugh at shit. 0.99

01:47:05.380 Like, when I lost my first account on Twitter, I resolved at that point. 0.99

01:47:10.600 I was like, I'm done.

01:47:11.660 Like, I'm not going to try and argue with these people.

01:47:13.540 I'm not going to argue with Lowerts.

01:47:14.660 I'm not going to argue with left Lowertarians.

01:47:16.280 I'm not going to do it anymore because their only goal is to silence me because they're scared of what I represent.

01:47:21.820 So what is my best?

01:47:23.060 What's the best thing for me to do?

01:47:24.360 Block the hell out of them because I'm never going to convince them and market to the people that I know I can convince.

01:47:29.800 And it's worked.

01:47:30.860 It's been successful.

01:47:32.140 I mean, my account is nowhere near as large as it used to be, but it's growing, and it will continue to grow.

01:47:37.120 The Hopin account's growing.

01:47:38.580 I mean, the Hopin account's got more followers than I do.

01:47:41.500 So, I mean, that's awesome.

01:47:43.380 And at the end of the day, you can't sit here and lose your – it's an inefficient use of resources, right?

01:47:52.420 Inefficient use of time.

01:47:54.440 So don't do it. 1.00

01:47:55.740 If you read this, you're gay. 0.99

01:47:56.940 Okay, well, it's okay. 0.99

01:47:57.620 Yes, we're all gay here. 0.93

01:47:59.220 Taylor was right.

01:48:00.420 I'm gay. 0.94

01:48:01.440 This is a great segue into getting your plugs out there. 0.94

01:48:04.980 You're just talking about your Twitter.

01:48:07.240 So where can people find you on Twitter, both you and Taylor and the Hopin account?

01:48:10.660 Butt plugs because they're at the end of the show, right?

01:48:13.420 That's right, Taylor.

01:48:16.800 I need a soundboard so I can do the Opie and Anthony car crash.

01:48:22.600 I need to do that.

01:48:24.360 Or the –

01:48:25.620 I'm not –

01:48:26.560 Yeah, the price is right. 1.00

01:48:28.340 That non-funny ginger faggot. 1.00

01:48:34.020 I'm not him. 1.00

01:48:35.260 What?

01:48:36.120 Who?

01:48:36.420 Opie.

01:48:37.240 That sounds offensive.

01:48:38.020 So am I plugging stuff now?

01:48:42.740 Yeah, go ahead.

01:48:43.480 Do your plugs.

01:48:44.380 Okay.

01:48:45.040 So follow Taylor.

01:48:47.420 You can see his name on the screen at T underscore sharing.

01:48:50.840 Hey, Jared.

01:48:51.620 Taylor was going to do plugs too.

01:48:53.300 That's how it works. 1.00

01:48:53.860 I'm going to speak for you, bitch. 1.00

01:48:57.740 I'm just going to leave now. 1.00

01:48:58.960 Fuck you guys. 1.00

01:49:01.980 Follow me, obviously, at Indemocracy. 1.00

01:49:04.420 Please follow the Hopin account at TheHopin.

01:49:07.020 Get rid of that chat.

01:49:07.200 Please follow us on our other platforms as well. 1.00

01:49:12.500 We're on fucking Facebook and Instagram and all that shit. 0.99

01:49:16.720 We're on Gab and Minds and anything you can think of. 1.00

01:49:19.480 We're out there.

01:49:20.140 Follow us.

01:49:21.220 Share our content.

01:49:22.100 Please retweet.

01:49:23.480 It helps a lot, especially with the reach. 0.98

01:49:25.880 God damn it. 0.98

01:49:27.040 Right when he started doing plugs, dude. 0.99

01:49:29.980 All right, Taylor, where do you grift at?

01:49:31.420 You guys check out Hopin.org and follow, if you're not, check out Mac and Liberty.

01:49:36.700 Yes.

01:49:38.760 Yes.

01:49:39.320 Yes.

01:49:39.540 Follow Mac on Mac and Liberty on Facebook.

01:49:43.680 Follow TheHopin on Twitter.

01:49:45.660 Follow me at T underscore sharing.

01:49:49.480 Shearing, if you like to use my Jewish alter ego.

01:49:52.840 I do.

01:49:55.120 But, yeah, definitely follow Jared at Indemocracy.

01:50:00.200 Indemocracy, I mean, he's one of the reasons why I'm here. 1.00

01:50:04.880 He's one of the reasons why I'm still active on political Twitter or even involved in politics at all.

01:50:10.920 He mentions his old account earlier.

01:50:13.220 I mean, that's essentially the number one reason why I'm involved in this thing at all.

01:50:19.880 So I'm eternally grateful to him.

01:50:22.400 I'm grateful to you guys for having us on.

01:50:24.440 Thank you very much.

01:50:25.280 Oh, yeah.

01:50:25.820 Yeah, it's coming, mate.

01:50:27.440 And, yeah, it was a blast.

01:50:30.200 You guys rule.

01:50:31.240 I'll do it again.

01:50:33.360 But, yeah, follow us.

01:50:35.380 Follow TheHopin.

01:50:36.420 If you like hardcore music, check out the band Settle For Nothing.

01:50:40.880 Yeah.

01:50:41.160 Oh, yeah.

01:50:41.620 I play in a band.

01:50:43.440 If you like music to hit people to, hit me up. 1.00

01:50:46.660 Great shit. 1.00

01:50:47.980 Great domestic violence music. 1.00

01:50:49.580 Domestic or in a small venue that smells really bad with your friends.

01:50:56.060 Either way.

01:50:56.960 You know what I mean?

01:50:58.700 Hey, real quick.

01:50:59.600 My phone's about to die.

01:51:00.380 So follow me at Fat Comic Dave.

01:51:01.760 My phone's about to die.

01:51:03.260 We've been on here for two hours.

01:51:05.180 It's overheating in Fat Dave's family.

01:51:07.800 It is.

01:51:08.380 He has all the equipment for Nick to us.

01:51:12.680 You can probably see.

01:51:14.360 No, you can't see it from this camera angle.

01:51:16.280 Oh, no.

01:51:16.640 That white box right there that you can barely see, that's got all the stuff that I'm going

01:51:20.020 to be bringing to Cole to have an actual setup on his computer.

01:51:23.020 That's pitiful.

01:51:23.600 Yeah.

01:51:24.420 I spent like 60 bucks tops.

01:51:26.880 Really? 1.00

01:51:27.780 I'm a cheap ass. 1.00

01:51:28.440 I got a fucking $3 mic and a fucking $30 fucking webcam. 1.00

01:51:32.140 Fucking good. 1.00

01:51:32.980 He's putting all his money into root beer bottles. 0.98

01:51:37.060 I did a Black Friday thing.

01:51:38.640 It didn't cost me.

01:51:39.940 It didn't cost me that much more than Jose.

01:51:42.180 The next thing to, oh, his phone must have died.

01:51:44.320 The next thing that you need to be on the lookout for is Joshua Smith's show, Break the Cycle

01:51:48.980 this Friday.

01:51:49.740 He's going to be having John Hudak on.

01:51:51.660 I highly recommend that you guys watch that.

01:51:54.160 That's going to be very, very good.

01:51:56.020 Definitely watch it.

01:51:57.000 Jared, definitely watch it.

01:51:57.960 You're going to like it.

01:51:59.580 Yeah.

01:51:59.920 Hoppian.org, you guys.

01:52:01.260 It's a great website. 0.97

01:52:02.520 Anything that these guys have said on the fucking show, you can find all of that expounded 0.95

01:52:06.740 upon and brilliant, eloquent writing on their website. 0.99

01:52:10.420 Follow these guys on Twitter.

01:52:11.940 I am at Nick underscore individual.

01:52:13.840 You all know who I am.

01:52:14.920 Anybody else got anything?

01:52:17.360 Jose Galisson, No Way Jose show on YouTube and all the major podcatchers.

01:52:21.540 At Galisson Jose on Twitter.

01:52:24.060 Hell yeah.

01:52:24.480 And I'm Toad at AnarchaToad.

01:52:26.020 And coming up on Tower Power Hour, we have a 9-11 special on Saturday on 9-11.

01:52:32.100 Next week on 9-13, after we just bashed him a little bit on the show, we got Spike Cohen on Monday.

01:52:37.760 And we got a couple other shows coming up after that.

01:52:40.740 It's going to be some good stuff.

01:52:42.180 So be on the lookout for that.

01:52:43.800 I think that is all we got right now.

01:52:46.500 Thank you, Jared Taylor.

01:52:48.160 Thanks, guys.

01:52:49.380 We're quite.

01:52:50.380 Hey, you guys got to do me a favor.

01:52:52.880 When you have Spike Cohen on, ask him what he thinks of people calling him a watered-down leftist.

01:53:00.660 I said that and you tell him to DM me.

01:53:07.160 Thank you guys so much for having us on.

01:53:09.220 It was good.

01:53:09.900 It was fun.

01:53:10.140 Thanks, you guys.

01:53:10.740 Very fun.

01:53:11.420 Very fun. 1.00

01:53:11.800 We'll shoot the shit. 1.00

01:53:12.640 All right. 1.00

01:53:12.960 Thanks for coming.

01:53:14.400 All right.

01:53:15.300 Peace out.

01:53:15.900 Peace out.

01:53:15.960 Peace out.

01:53:16.900 Peace out.

01:53:17.900 Peace out.

Tower Gang - September 10, 2021

Ep 32 - Dave Smith is a Statist 2 w⧸ Jared & Taylor from The Hoppean

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