In this episode of Tower Gang, Fat Dave is joined by the great Reed Coverdale, and the legend of Spike Cohen has returned. The guys discuss a variety of topics, including: 9/11, feminism, and much more.
00:02:40.540So, I actually hope, you know, I mean, I know there are a few things you guys want to talk about.
00:02:44.820But I hope we can talk about that, about, like, I guess we'll call it shit podcasting, like, you know, the shit posting as podcasting, like, what that's about.
00:02:53.220But, you know, thanks for having me on.
00:04:21.800So, the, you know, go buck wild with it.
00:04:24.680You know, we don't have to have, I mean, you may not know this.
00:04:27.140But there is no shortage of, we have a glut of, like, libertarians talking about, you know, praxis and policy and things like that.
00:04:34.540And you can even dive into that while having fun.
00:04:37.420I do that on my show and we do that on the Muddy Waters media.
00:04:40.760And some of the stuff that I was shown was stuff where it was like, yeah, they're just, they're talking shit and they're being edgy.
00:04:45.780I will say, there was some stuff that I looked at it and I'm like, I guess, so I guess, like, for, so I'll just go ahead and say, like, the ones that I looked at where I was like, why?
00:05:28.720And you were talking about, like, you know, getting all the context.
00:05:31.920Whereas, like, they showed a single clip of, I think it was Jose saying, well, you know, like Dave Chappelle said, you know, or, or Bill Burr or whoever it was said, you know, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes they deserve it or something like that.
00:05:44.440And again, it was a shitty way to put it, but it was in the greater context, it was not that.
00:05:50.940But, like, for example, there was the, and I forget who it was.
00:05:54.020It might not have even been any of you, but it was someone that I was told was with Tower Gang that, like, was sharing the, the was, were meme that's making fun of, like, a trans person killing themselves or something like that.
00:06:06.940And there was one that was like, and then there was one where it was like the, it was the Transformers, but one of them was the cop that killed Derek Chauvin.
00:07:36.140There's that, you know, there, there are those things that you hear and you catch yourself from laughing and you're like, oh, I'm not gonna, like, laugh in public over that.
00:07:44.320And then when people see you that you're like, I mean, it's a little different for you because you, like, actually are running as vice president.
00:07:50.840But when you're just a libertarian podcaster or something, you know, when you make a joke that people really laugh at and really think is funny, that's pretty offensive.
00:07:59.880But it's something that most people actually find funny, but they just pretend that they don't.
00:08:05.040Then that gives them a little bit of more of a connection to you because libertarians are thought of as, like, stiff, you know, scholarly or, or, or like, just, like, complete idiots or whatever.
00:08:14.100So, like, when you can kind of resonate with the working class by making a joke that would be made on a job site or something, sometimes it gives them a connection that they wouldn't otherwise have, I guess.
00:08:36.460And I will say, I'm glad the internet didn't exist when I was in my, when my, and I don't know how old you are, but when I was in, like, my early to mid-20s, like,
00:08:42.920I'm glad that, that, that social media didn't exist.
00:08:46.060And it was, you know, just me, like, sharing stuff with friends and stuff like that.
00:08:49.880Because it, you know, certainly I understand edgy humor.
00:08:59.740So imagine the vice presidential candidate of the Libertarian Party dropping to help raise funds because there are, like, state affiliates who are, like, what if we did it where if you give, you know, a $5,000 donation, you'll play a track.
00:09:12.360And I'm like, okay, imagine the media of former VP candidate drops mixtape to help party that has the N-word in it 7,000 times because we're talking 90s and 2000s rap.
00:09:26.660That's basically this show set to music.
00:09:29.040And, you know, you're talking about, like, you know, you're talking about, like, you know, Wu-Tang.
00:09:33.320You're talking about, like, Eminem and D-12, which, Jesus, you're talking about, like, stuff that I'll listen to it now and be like, man, I feel dirty listening to this.
00:09:42.140Like, being a little older now, it's like, yeah, I grew up on sing along to it.
00:09:46.240Like, you know, so the one thing I'll say about what it is that you're, you know, with this, with your, what you're considering funny with some of this stuff.
00:09:54.860Like, I'll say I didn't find was, were funny.
00:10:08.680You shouldn't do this because, A, you're grown people.
00:10:11.960You're already telling me you don't like half of what was put out there anyway.
00:10:15.520And, B, also, like, there's not any use to that.
00:10:19.180I'm going to tell you, the two things I want to tell you is that, so when a bunch of people hate you for it, understand that comes with the territory.
00:10:27.880Because a lot of people, like, don't, aren't, not only aren't going to find it funny, but they're going to take it as an attack on them, especially when you're getting into racial stuff, trans stuff, LGBT stuff.
00:10:36.020Like, they're going to take it as that.
00:10:37.660So if that happens, then, you know, it's, I guess I'm saying, like, you can still do it, but it looks weird to be, like, to put that out and then be like, well, oh, my gosh, why are you, why are you upset about this?
00:10:50.400You know, like, why are you mad about this?
00:10:57.540And if it's like, and if people are like, yeah, I hate you because you put this up, it's like, okay, all right, you hate me, and I get that, and I've earned that.
00:11:04.920I've earned being hated by putting that out there.
00:11:19.280Well, Jose has always been double down.
00:11:22.740It was like, if you put out something, don't, like, don't back off, because if you back off, then you're admitting that what you think was wrong.
00:11:31.000But if you're coming at it either in a comedic way or there's a better point behind it, if you back down, then either you're giving up the comedy so they can come at you even harder, or you're giving up the point that you're trying to make so it just makes you look kind of dumb.
00:11:45.220From a tactical perspective, it's always the way to go.
00:11:48.620I know, like, you want to be rational sometimes, be like, well, I'll give up a little bit of ground, but, like, this is, like, the phenomena of Trump.
00:11:54.460Like, even if he was completely wrong, like, I did nothing wrong, shit with a fat whore.
00:12:30.960What ends up happening is now nothing is wrong and everything's okay.
00:12:36.500And eventually, that's going to reach a point of comfort.
00:12:40.380That's going to reach that boiling over point, that point of saturation, where even if a majority of people that, and again, I think there's like 3,200 hosts of this show.
00:12:50.220If there's a growing consensus with a number of the people that are like, yeah, no, whatever that thing is, I'm not pointing out any individual person, but just like that thing was bad or wrong.
00:13:03.000And, you know, a handful of you are like, no, screw that.
00:13:27.120I know that the shit posting and the, I, I, again, I'm, I'm glad that I got all that out of my system before social media, but I know this, like I know the message board stuff and I'm glad it was anonymous because I know what that is.
00:13:40.680And I know that, that whole thing over time, what I have found is that I would rather spend my time.
00:13:48.480Even if someone disagrees with me vehemently, I would rather spend my time empathizing with them.
00:13:54.280I'm even doing that now, meeting people where they are and trying to figure out where it is they're coming from and trying to plant some kind of seed.
00:14:01.600And even if they walk away going, no, screw you.
00:14:43.800I get what you're saying, but I do think it's okay to be able to, to like, take that step back and be like, listen, I, that was my opinion would be, it depends on the medium and it depends on how they come at you.
00:14:53.840Because if, especially for something like I'm offended, if, I mean, I jumped in kind of the middle of some a little bit, I think I'm catching context as I go.
00:15:00.380So I made a, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, uh, yeah, I mean, it depends.
00:15:04.000So like, if it's something you're offended by and you come at me some sort of way, yeah, fuck you.
00:15:09.760And I mean, I mean, I, maybe that's just me personally, but if someone's respectful and like, I don't really care for that, I have no problem with people being offended.
00:15:16.040I mean, it's, I understand not everything's for everybody, uh, depending on what it is.
00:15:24.860It's just that when somebody comes at you a certain sort of way, especially for feelings, I'm sorry.
00:15:28.840To some extent, I don't really care about your feelings.
00:15:30.740I mean, personally, I'm also not running for office.
00:15:32.740So also, I do want to say that it's like in our private group chat, like whenever somebody does, does something like really toe in the line, like we'll send it.
00:15:42.340And others in the group, I'll be like, damn, man, that was like, you really went for it.
00:16:22.320So the thing, Jose, that I was bringing up, because I'm not going to get into every single edgy thing that has been said or done, because it's pointless.
00:16:28.040And we'd spend three hours with just you saying the same thing.
00:16:30.540Or the one thing that I focused on was the was were meme with the, and there are a few examples that are like that.
00:16:38.980So if someone comes at you emotionally, if it's because they are in their feelings, maybe they're in their feelings because they're a trans person who battles with feelings of, you know, suicide or feelings of issues.
00:16:53.340And now here's a meme where they're talking about something, making fun of that.
00:16:57.800Yeah, no, in the same way that you had an emotional reaction to them telling you that you that they were offended and you're like, yeah, well, fuck you.
00:17:04.340They were having an emotional reaction to them telling you something in your response being, hey, or and I'm not saying you ever did this, Jose, but whoever did putting something like that up.
00:17:15.320There is something to be said about being willing to what you're internally telling each other, even on this show, already saying, yeah, some of this stuff's regrettable.
00:17:22.300Being able to step back and be like, yeah, you know what, that that went too far, because otherwise you're being associated with shit that you literally don't like.
00:17:30.940And and if nothing else, that's that's that.
00:17:33.520Like I said, I'm I'm I think that's the point I want to make.
00:18:45.360But again, the point is, like, I I'm just I if I would be remiss not to say that I think that I'm just in general.
00:18:56.160I'm a fan of of trying to understand where the so going this is as deep as I want to go into it.
00:19:03.700Honestly, when when I was diagnosed with MS, I was told that the biggest thing I needed to do was stress reduction.
00:19:11.140And the best way to reduce stress is to learn how to do stress reduction through like, you know, mindfulness techniques and learning about different things.
00:19:17.380And one of the biggest things that I came across was the idea of stoicism.
00:19:21.580And it's in the Tao as well, where if I'm having an emotional reaction to something, the best thing I can do is figure out why am I having that emotional reaction and then adjusting to that.
00:19:32.300And in interacting with others, if they're having an emotional reaction, instead of having an emotional reaction to them, try to figure out why are they having that emotional reaction?
00:19:40.000And if someone's having an emotional reaction to like a meme that makes fun of suicide or that makes fun of their ethnicity or makes fun of whatever, it's not hard to figure out what they're upset about.
00:19:48.400And, you know, if if a brief moment of saying, you know what, that was a bit too far, completely derails that all of that shit that ends up happening and the hate that's going not just against you, but everyone that's associated with this thing, including me now, then that's, you know, that that's that helps a long, a long way to doing that.
00:20:07.920But I have a I have a question for you from from a shirt wearing 39 year old political figure to a shirtless 39 year old shit talker.
00:20:17.020I know. I know. I know. I just quick question.
00:20:22.920I think I think that there is something to be said for everything you just said, I actually agree with.
00:20:27.740However, there is also a flip side to this coin where people that are in minority classes, sometimes some of them like to be treated totally normally and they like to be joked about and they like to be the butt of a joke.
00:20:40.720And sometimes it makes them feel like they're part of the broad community.
00:20:45.580It makes them less othered, you know, like they get to feel like they're one of us.
00:20:49.900And and I actually know a trans person that watches this show and they enjoy the fact that we take it so lightly.
00:20:55.260And so, like, I grant you there will be trans people that absolutely fucking despise us for some memes that other people have posted.
00:21:03.480I and personally, I wouldn't have posted those. That's just me.
00:21:06.040But I'm not going to shame them because I understand that, like, these people are genuinely trying to come from a good place.
00:21:11.720So that's that's just my both sides of this thing to just give you some everyone is going to have a different reaction to something, which is why, like, if that's why, like, I'll put out stuff like I'm about as edgy as it gets while still being even a mildly mainstream figure.
00:21:27.600Right. So I'll put out stuff and there will be people who will either directly message me or contact me like I think that was a bit too far.
00:21:35.220And depending on the level of feedback I get, really, do I, like, pull something back entirely?
00:21:40.520But there have been stuff I've taken down. You know what? That probably was a bit too far.
00:21:44.100And at the very least, and if it was something that wasn't too far, but it did offend specific people, I'll be like, listen, this was what my intention was.
00:21:53.040It wasn't this what this what this what this what this thing was addressing this.
00:21:58.900This has nothing to do with Democrats. These are like LP members that reached out to me.
00:23:21.220We did have, uh, we did have two super chats to ask you questions, both from Hastiko Mitchell, who, uh, is a good friend of ours said, well, the first one was, I know Spike loves hip hop, which you already said.
00:23:32.980Does he say the N word along with the song when he's alone?
00:23:37.160So I learned this, I learned this from my, uh, from my, this was actually last year on the campaign trail.
00:23:44.760Um, I learned this from, uh, my, probably if not my best friend, one of my best friends who I had as my assistant slash body man slash whatever.
00:23:56.200And honestly, the reason I had him there was because, uh, I always wanted to have at least one person.
00:24:01.500Cause my, my wife was not always there.
00:25:19.900It brings a whole lot of new meaning to whenever Rand Paul got beaten up by his neighbor.
00:25:23.040So that was, it's very hard to turn that into a Rand Paul assault joke, but you did it.
00:25:33.620So it's like, I got, I got a question.
00:25:36.440It's related to what we were just talking about, but, um, I mean, when I do drag people like crazy on Twitter, but it's always punching up, you know, it's always going, unless someone comes at me sideways, then I'll take them out.
00:25:48.360But it's always like going against the McCain's or, you know, uh, Marianne Williamson, if I have to sometimes, and like people like that.
00:25:56.520And I've gotten several messages from like, uh, very like high ranking officials, I guess, in like the libertarian circles, people who would never be able to say that publicly.
00:26:09.260And they've messaged me like, Hey, thank you for saying that.
00:26:12.520That's something that I agree with that I'd never be able to say.
00:26:15.560Okay. So do you guys appreciate, like, I mean, I understand like if it's trans jokes or something, how that's not really punching up, but if people are like saying really controversial jokes that are taking on the power structure that you couldn't get away with, is that something you appreciate seeing occasionally?
00:26:31.700Oh, of course. Listen, there's so much stuff I'd like to say about John McCain that would not be the least bit appropriate.
00:26:36.500And if I see someone else doing it, I'm like, I'm like, uh, there we go. Because John McCain is the Hitler of many people.
00:26:44.400Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and George Bush and Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Donald Trump, for that matter, are the Hitlers of many different people and rightfully so.
00:26:55.100And so to have someone come out and attack them, I don't, you know, even me as a, I've never actually been in an elected office, but I put myself out there as a politician.
00:27:05.960And so when I see people ravaging me and attacking me, I'm like, that comes with the territory. I shouldn't have put myself in this position. I already knew it was going to happen. I'm not worried about it. Right.
00:27:14.260So, I mean, it doesn't, there's stuff that said that I don't like, and I wish they wouldn't. Um, but it is what it is. Someone who's actually voted or signed off or ordered murders.
00:27:25.120Say what you want. That's, that's not what I, yeah, no, that is not what I'm talking about. And again, there's stuff that I'm not going to say. And there's even things I've seen where I'm like, God, you know, whatever. But, but that, yeah.
00:27:36.480I mean, cause that's not just punching up from like a clout standpoint. You're going after the power. You're going after people that are in positions of authority that are inflicting harm on people actively doing so. And even, even the people that are in prominent positions who advocate for it.
00:27:51.460So, you know, you're going after like, uh, I don't know. Um, uh, God, what's that guy named Paul Krugman or something like that. Obviously, you know, I'm going to give you a lot more grace on what you say to Paul Krugman.
00:28:01.760Now, I hope you wouldn't say as much to Paul Krugman as you would to like an actual warmonger, like a John McCain or someone who's actually voted or signed off on something like that happening. There's advocating for something. And then there's actually like carrying it out, making sure that it happened. Right. So, yeah, no, I, that's one thing, but like, you know, and it's not just like a, a, a, a trans or
00:28:21.440a racial thing. It's when you're, when an ordinary, when I'm just an everyday person who's, and again, a lot of these people are in the LP, not that that should matter. Um, cause this isn't, I'm not, this isn't a political thing. This is a, I, the reason that I'm doing so well with an autoimmune disease in which my, my immune system is convinced that my central nervous system is something that has to be destroyed.
00:28:43.440The reason I'm doing as well as I am is because I have adapted a lifestyle that is based on recognizing existing and not reacting. And so what I see, when I see this stuff, I see an attempt often through like a reactionary attempt to then create a reaction, which just leads to a chain. And I watched this and I go, you know, this person is hurt. This person's angry. You know, this person is, is looking at it for observing it.
00:29:13.420And saying, wow, I hate this person. Nothing good came from this, right? Like that's, that's the dividing line there. And I think that again, I get edgy humor and I get that there's going to be stuff that you put out. And I'm not talking about like the, the transgender, the trans, um, uh, trans suicide thing. Uh, but like, for example, like you're, you know, put out something that's, you know, like an edgy joke. And, you know, here comes the outraged white liberal to tell you how racist it is.
00:29:39.340Meanwhile, you got black people laughing left and right. That are people that know you that know a, you're being good natured and B it's funny. And, and, and no, I don't think that George Floyd one is an example of that, but the, uh, but yeah, no, that was definitely not an example of that, but there are, yeah.
00:29:55.340Well, regardless, like, so there are, there are, there are examples of that where people are gonna be like, I'm offended. All right, great. You're offended. Like, you know, also it wasn't for you.
00:30:05.520But I, again, I think that any amount of taking a step back and going, is it possible that this person is legitimately offended? It's not just them expressing offense to signal their offense or because they already don't like you or something. Is there, could there be a legitimate reason to be upset? In which case you can disarm the thing by going, yeah, you know, that was too far.
00:30:29.640I, yeah, that was because then, then when you don't do it, that makes it more powerful. If everyone knows that you're always going to double and triple down, then it doesn't mean anything when you stand on something. Cause you're standing for everything. Every hill is a hill to die on. But if there are hills that you're willing to be like, yeah, no, I was too far. I didn't like that. He did that. Or I didn't like that. I did that. I shouldn't have done that, whatever. And then there are hills that you were like, no, no, no, this I stand on. Now that actually means something. It doesn't just mean that you're contrary and always picking battles. It means that there's a thing. So that, that's, that's my point to that.
00:31:01.580Well, I would add two things. One to your final point there is now, if you aren't, if you are going to pick your like hills to stand on, you do have to pick the actual hill to stand on too. You can't just like, this is something that we saw. I mean, not, not a shot at you, but just at the LP last year, whenever we saw, you know, we actually had to like almost force them. I remember Dave was talking about this, not me, but the, the, the, the imposter Dave.
00:31:26.580We had to kind of force the LP national Twitter to basically denounce any type of vax mandates or any type of lockdowns and all this stuff. And it was just like, listen, if you're going to pick the hills to die on, you have to pick the, you know, pick the right ones to do so on too.
00:31:48.800Oh yeah, absolutely. And now you're not, that's even not even like from a joking standpoint or serious policy stuff. This is, you know, we last year and I'm at the bottom of the ticket. There's very little attention.
00:32:02.400You know, I watched how, like, if I filled in for an event for Joe, it went from, there were 15 confirmed news media outlets to like two, because I was the VP who cares about the VP, right? It's the, it's all about the president. And, and, and, you know, especially for a third party, it's not like with Kamala Harris, it's like, or with Mike Pence, it's like, these people are a heartbeat away with me. It's like, yeah, he's the schmuck. That's with Joe Jorgensen. Right. So I'm out here doing, you know, illegal anti lockdown events in direct opposite,
00:32:31.880indirect defiance of, of mandates and orders across the country. Sometimes with the police right there and me saying, listen, guys, I tap, this is peaceful assembly. Do you do what you have to do? I'm going to do what I have to do, but that wasn't getting attention. But from the, especially from the party, there was, I'm not sure there was anyone that's like, yeah, lockdowns are good, but you also saw, you saw an example in the party.
00:32:57.360And this is why, I mean, there's a whole rabbit hole. We can go down on this and why I think we should be focused way more on local and state affiliates than on national. National is a series of committees.
00:33:08.420And we don't believe in democratization of decisions because we recognize that instead of allowing stakeholders to make decisions and then people to join them and become stakeholders as well.
00:33:17.460Instead, you just have everyone kind of having an equal say and, and it could, everything gets committed to death. And, you know, what was supposed to start as, you know, an idea for a bicycle by the time it's done, it's like, you know, like a coat hanger with wheels or something like it always.
00:33:30.520So when we're seeing this right now, perfect example, that the vaccine mandate videos that, that we've said, we want a vaccine mandate video and here's who we want in it.
00:33:41.240And the LP in record time, and I will give credit to Larissa, the comms director in record time, they got it out there and they've got a link to make donations.
00:33:51.980And they've said, you know, we're, we're going for a hundred grand because that will let us buy all sorts of airtime and get it everywhere.
00:33:57.220But whatever amount we raise, we're making this video, we're putting out there as well as we can. Right now, even still, because it's happening from national and because there are the committees that has to go through and the decision-making people has to go through and a review board that it has to go to, it could take another week.
00:34:14.340Plus it could take weeks, right? As opposed to Dan, uh, small was literally just made a video.
00:34:20.360Like he just took some footage from Kennedy and some random clips.
00:34:24.400He's right there in the chat right now.
00:34:27.220He made random clips and made a video within like 48 hours and could, and could have done it sooner. Right. Like he also has a job and he was able to do that. That's the difference between individual human action and a democratized thing happening from a series of committees at national. So I guess the point I'm making from this is no one in national is like that I know of is like, yeah, no vaccine mandates. I'm all for that. It's just the nature of the beast.
00:34:53.800And so, and that's fine. And so, and that's fine. And we need a national committee for things like ballot access for things like coordinating between different state affiliates for national campaigns to have a list of, of activists and all that. There's all sorts of reasons to have it.
00:35:05.620We need to stop waiting for it. We need to stop waiting for it to lead us. It's not going to happen and it shouldn't happen. No one. Do you even know who the chair of the Republican or Democratic national conventions are or committees are?
00:35:23.120It's led by their thought leaders, by their pundits, by their elected officials. You know, right now the Republican Party is figuring out if it's the party of DeSantis or Trump, not whoever the hell is in charge of the RNC.
00:35:36.280The Democratic Party is very much solidly the party of Joe Biden that's figuring out how they're going to become the party of Kamala Harris and everyone else that's involved. And I guess to a lesser extent, the party of AOC or whatever. Bernie Sanders is somewhere in there.
00:35:49.160But I don't even know. I think it's Tom. I'm looking at his face, the guy in Virginia. I think it's that guy is the head of it. But I don't even know. Like, there might be someone else. No one cares. We need to stop caring about the LNC and the Libertarian National Committee and let them do what their job is. And if we're going to get shit done, let's do it. Like, we talk about human action. Let's take human action. And that's what I'm trying to lead by example with going across the country every weekend.
00:36:13.520Makes sense. Because we, I mean, this is, I mean, with guys like Dave, you, we've seen Scott Horton, all these kind of thought leaders really get some really national attention lately. And within the past year, also, I'm trying to think who was the other one. I mean, well, Clint was on Timcast. I mean, that's a million subs right there. And he's just, I mean, these people are going out and actually putting out a good, a message saying, you know,
00:36:41.360that is much stronger than the LNC has or even can right now. Like what you're saying to the committee, like sometimes they not, might not even be able to put out these messages that, you know, a single person can as strongly or as quickly.
00:36:59.360Or even a group of people, a small group of people working together on an immediate shared goal and just getting it done. And they're already all on the same page and they do it. It's just the nature of the beast. Even if they are, even if every single member of the LNC and the XCOM and every employee of the Libertarian Party is every bit as much behind fighting against these vaccine mandates as the four of us are.
00:37:23.560And everyone watching is, which I have no reason to think they aren't, or at least that they aren't very strongly against this. They put out another email address, doubleding down on saying, we shall not comply. That's about as strong language as I've ever seen from the LP.
00:37:37.880Just the nature of it. It's, if nothing else, it's going to take a longer time just because of that. So just, I just, we need to stop like this whole, like, we need to make sure that the LP is leading and messaging. No, no, we need to lead in messaging.
00:37:53.560Like we are the Libertarian Party. We are the Libertarian movement. So let's do it. Stop waiting for someone whose job it is to do Robert's Rules of Order and, you know, make sure that the fires are hot, the home fires are hot when we get home. Stop trying to put it on them. They're not structured for it. It's not what their actual job description is.
00:38:14.960You know, if we're going to do anything, advocate for Larissa to have more autonomy and more authority to be able to make more moves quickly without having to go through that process that, that comms can do that. But, you know, they're not, stop waiting for a committee to lead us. We don't even agree. That's not even what we think should be done.
00:38:30.020Well, that's a controversial opinion. And you've got another one. You know, Tower Gang has always said, white women must be stopped.
00:40:51.560So, it is my contention that, especially, like, soccer moms, that demographic, which are large, I mean, they're not all white, but largely are, you know, white women between the ages of their anywhere from early to mid-20s up into somewhere in their 40s, maybe even some in their 50s.
00:41:10.220That group, if they decide that something is unacceptable, it ends.
00:41:18.500I have watched, you know, the reason that the federal government is having to get involved with the mask mandates is because at the local level, you had angry soccer moms.
00:41:28.600You had angry, largely white women, not always white women, but you had the moms coming out and saying, no, my kid is coming home covered in snot.
00:41:40.040That's not even the mask he left with, you know, or that she left with.
00:41:45.220This isn't doing anything to slow the spread of anything, much less COVID.
00:41:48.620And it's stupid and it's ridiculous and we're not, you know, there's no reason to do it.
00:41:53.620And they were having to, those mandates were dropping left and right and they're having to now, even though their own studies showed that the masking kids doesn't work because they're kids and, you know, kids are filthy.
00:42:04.880You know, so because of that, they've now had to do it at the federal level because the moms were killing it there.
00:42:11.420And I'm sure the moms are going to organize and kill it at the federal level too.
00:42:14.140So my thing is we need to co-opt, uh, the groups that are, you know, running this country for lack of a better word.
00:42:23.440Like I am rare among like, you know, the more like hardcore and cap types in that I see boomers and I see like, you know, white women or soccer moms or whatever you want to call them.
00:42:35.400And I'm like, I want that on our side.
00:42:41.300We're going to get them on everything.
00:42:42.380But if we can convince them that the federal reserve is bad, it's robbing them and it's robbing Claxton, Braxton and Paxton of their future, then I'm all for it guys.
00:42:55.740And I, I, I left and right, get, get co-opt these, these power groups, even on just one thing and, and accomplish something that, you know, us sitting here and being cerebral as hell all the time are never going to be able to accomplish.
00:43:11.740So that's why, you know, if I can go in and meet with, you know, a big group of normies and, and present it from like, you know, talk about the war on drugs.
00:43:20.900And instead of saying, you know, well, you should be able to put whatever you want in your body, which is true, but they don't agree with that or care about that.
00:43:28.240Explain how the war on drugs has made their like neighborhoods less safe and, and why gang violence exists and why cartels exist and why the opioid epidemic exists.
00:43:37.360Now you got like, yeah, you got the white women going, we got to end the war on drugs.
00:43:41.260And, and then there's a way better chance of it happening than if the four of us are talking about it.
00:43:46.000Well, you got to think like these, these two bachelors right here were like smeared, like obvious bachelors.
00:44:26.820It's like we're literally on a show talking about, we're literally on a show where we're talking about whether we're willing to die on the hills of like,
00:44:34.340shitty memes that hurt people's feelings.
00:44:36.960And yet, two of us are literally wearing shirts if for no other reason than our wives will never let us hear the end of it.
00:44:45.500And we will suffer as human beings as a result of it.
00:44:48.800Now, my, my, my wife is not white, but she is a woman.
00:44:52.340And, yeah, but, but same, same concept.
00:44:55.400I was going to say, white women must be stopped then.
00:44:58.180Just, just, just, just, just fat babies ones.
00:45:01.700No, the, the, the, I say that the, yeah, just fat, my wife can't be stopped.
00:45:07.240The, the, the, there is a thing about like, you know, I, I will say, I think that what, that women, we need to be, we need to be co-opting the power structures in this country.
00:45:17.960Any time that we can, uh, and power structures are basically a bunch of normies.
00:45:22.520Like, that's the weird thing about our system is like the power structure are people that will like say something that when we hear it, it's just like the most like pre-packaged, nonsensical, something between CNN and, and Fox.
00:45:35.180And you go, geez, you really think that, but you have to like, again, going back to the empathy thing and going back to why it's important to be able to have that, that pressure release there is like figure out what it is they're actually worried about.
00:45:48.500Cause for them to think this nonsense, it's not that they're actually like, you know, they've approached it from a philosophical standpoint.
00:45:55.480Clearly they haven't like it's garbage that they believe it's that they, someone convinced them that they're concerned about their family, about their safety, about their loved ones, about their health, about their future, about their, whatever their financial considerations is best handled with this dumb shit.
00:46:09.780So why would we not instead, when we can try to find ways and find people who are good at it, go and meet with them and go, go meet them where they are.
00:46:17.240And, and from their standpoint, you know, a lot of people on my Facebook are like, how are you doing well?
00:46:21.960It's cause I, I don't, can't tell you the last time I used the term natural rights on my Facebook.
00:46:27.140I say stuff that makes normies go, I can't believe the government's doing that.
00:54:08.460And the thing is, it's like, you know, so from that standpoint with this, it's like, you know, here's this lady who, you know, literally was talking in the debates, talking fire about U.S. imperialism and, you know, fighting the dark psychic forces of the whatever.
00:54:23.320And all this magic crystals to whatever.
00:54:27.420And then she's like, well, yeah, but also it's terrible what's happening to women, which it is.
00:54:32.860It's terrible what's happening to women over there.
00:54:34.620So let's bomb them because that'll help the women there.
00:54:37.440They seem to like that getting bombed, right?
00:54:42.440Like we just we just saw the the the the help them format for U.S. foreign policy.
00:54:50.220They're a drone strike on a entire family, including children, like babies and toddlers, including girls who were applying for asylum to the U.S.
00:55:02.800So, yeah, you being mean on Twitter to something to someone who's in a prominent role who actually ran for office, who's advocating for that.
00:55:09.900I have a lot more grace for that than you going after.
01:54:06.600And the reason my face looks like that is I'm bravely answering this probably hour or two of Q&A out in the park at 120 degree weather with the bus behind me and the heat's radiating off of that.
01:54:18.520And the freaking generator they have running the AV equipment.
01:54:21.700I can feel that exhaust fan hitting me.
01:54:23.700I was in absolute misery in this photo.
01:54:45.820And I put this on because it was like the lightest shirt I have.
01:54:50.560And I was never a huge fan of this shirt.
01:54:52.160But it was like the lightest one that I'm like, okay, it shouldn't be too heavy being out there in the freaking sun with a tie on like a jackass.
01:55:00.380And so this photo, I don't know why this photo is prominent.
01:55:04.680But every time it gets and I'm like, can we just make this photo go away?
01:55:08.160Because if I look at this photo, if someone said, you know, I want you to hear from someone who is one of the greatest minds in the whatever movement.
01:55:17.000And you need to hear what he has to say.
01:55:55.660And every time I'm like, can you use like the photo that I actually have on my social media?
01:55:59.700And every time they go, oh, sorry, I just pulled it up from the Wikipedia.
01:56:03.580And if you Google Spike Cohen, if you Google Spike Cohen, because that photo is on my Wikipedia, it's the first damn photo of me that comes up.
01:56:13.720Everyone else has these nice professional photos.