Tower Gang - Ep 38 - The Lower Half of Ellen w⧸ Phil Labonte & Taylor Shiring

00:00:00.340 What's up, retards?

00:00:01.940 The funniest 9-11 jokes were written on 9-12.

00:00:04.520 Women jerk off dicks like fucking they're an unruly ferret.

00:00:07.580 Yeah.

00:00:08.680 You ever had a 9-11 cocktail?

00:00:11.580 It's in Manhattan with two kamikazes.

00:00:13.700 Come in now.

00:00:15.980 You see, the socialists don't have an accurate answer for this, and she needs to account for it.

00:00:20.600 White women must be stopped.

00:00:22.620 That's right.

00:00:23.660 Yeah.

00:00:25.780 We can stay horny and retarded longer than she can stay sane.

00:00:30.000 Your ass-to-penis ratio.

00:00:32.880 Ben, maybe you could say we had sex, but we didn't fuck.

00:00:35.340 You said nigger.

00:00:36.260 Oh, Jesus.

00:00:37.560 Whee!

00:00:39.180 Fat Dave, fuck you, man.

00:00:40.980 Whee!

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00:00:46.020 Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, and everyone who's watching this while your parents aren't around,

00:00:51.260 welcome to another episode of Tower Power Hour.

00:00:55.280 We have the great Phil Labonte joining us.

00:00:57.500 How are you doing, Phil?

00:00:58.620 Hi, everybody.

00:00:59.360 I apologize already.

00:01:02.900 You already disavowed us.

00:01:04.400 Wise decision.

00:01:05.220 And then we've got Taylor from Hoppian.org.

00:01:08.720 How are you doing, Taylor?

00:01:09.980 I'm good, man.

00:01:10.920 How's everybody doing?

00:01:12.500 Good.

00:01:12.900 Make sure...

00:01:13.400 I don't know if you need to disavow us beforehand either.

00:01:16.020 You know, that's as weird.

00:01:17.020 No, Hoppians are just as degenerate as we are, so...

00:01:21.700 Secretly.

00:01:23.520 Not outwardly, but secretly.

00:01:25.340 Right.

00:01:25.640 Also, by the way, I checked.

00:01:27.380 We are streaming on Odyssey.

00:01:28.380 It's actually working.

00:01:29.840 But I'm the only one watching it, so...

00:01:32.380 But if you ate...

00:01:34.660 Are we streaming to Facebook, too, or...?

00:01:36.820 No.

00:01:39.000 We would have less viewers on Facebook.

00:01:40.780 What's going on with Facebook right now?

00:01:43.540 I don't think anybody is.

00:01:44.780 Maybe nobody will ever again.

00:01:47.160 I saw Nick Ashley tweet out, Facebook is doing its best Joe Biden impression right now.

00:01:51.820 The only thing I could think of was they should be really pissed about banning learn-to-code from everywhere, because now they're facing the repercussions of that.

00:02:07.560 Fuckers.

00:02:08.080 I mean, I tweeted out, like, what actually happened with Facebook is somebody kind of, like, leaked the information.

00:02:14.680 It was definitely...

00:02:15.040 No one cares.

00:02:15.980 It was an IT-related thing.

00:02:17.500 Go check out my Twitter.

00:02:19.200 Grandma's just mad that she can't look at pictures of her, you know, her babies.

00:02:24.320 That's it.

00:02:26.140 I haven't had a Facebook page in a couple of years, and I haven't had an Instagram in a year.

00:02:32.580 And I promise, it's fine without it.

00:02:36.300 It's fine without it.

00:02:37.620 Just get rid of it.

00:02:38.720 That's weird, because I feel like Instagram, for at least, like, musicians, artists, and stuff like that, is a really big help for y'all.

00:02:45.640 So, I guess it wasn't really, like, didn't really matter much for at least you?

00:02:52.000 The band still has an Instagram that we promote on and stuff, but I don't have a personal one anymore.

00:02:57.220 And, you know, that was where I spent between Instagram and Facebook.

00:03:03.900 I mean, that's a lot of time.

00:03:05.400 And it's not like I don't spend a boatload of time on the internet.

00:03:08.140 I mean, you can look at, like, Twitter feed.

00:03:09.800 You're like, oh, Jesus Christ, shut up.

00:03:12.080 But, yeah, like, I don't miss Facebook.

00:03:16.960 I don't miss, like, you know, my aunts looking at my, you know, feed when I say something about rim jobs or some shit.

00:03:25.540 And, you know, that's happened.

00:03:29.220 It's a hot topic.

00:03:30.820 The real problem is WhatsApp being down, because how else are you supposed to get dick pics?

00:03:35.920 I never used WhatsApp.

00:03:37.760 Like, I have it, but I think I've used it, like, a handful of times.

00:03:41.500 And I never got, like, never gave it out.

00:03:45.060 So, nobody, like, messages me on WhatsApp.

00:03:48.280 Anyways, it was like, that's a Zuckerberg property.

00:03:50.540 I get that shit out of my fucking phone.

00:03:52.080 Dude, once I, whenever, I remember back in, like, I was in college.

00:03:57.540 And it was maybe, like, my sophomore year.

00:03:58.940 So, this was a couple years ago.

00:03:59.960 This was probably four or five years ago now.

00:04:02.380 And a friend of mine was like, yeah, you should probably just get rid of Facebook off of your phone.

00:04:06.460 I was like, why?

00:04:07.000 He was like, dude, they just, they get their shit into everything.

00:04:10.700 And he was just like, and he was like, trust me, just get it off your phone.

00:04:14.640 He was like, you can keep your Facebook, whatever.

00:04:16.260 But just remove it, the app from your phone and all that, because they 100% spy on you.

00:04:21.820 And then we just saw today that they had, what, 1.8 billion people's information get leaked.

00:04:29.860 Or, no, it was on a hacker's website for sale.

00:04:33.080 Just everybody's bio, picture, address, all this kind of bullshit.

00:04:39.180 Ever since I heard about the ghost profile shit, like, when I heard about that, I was like, no shit.

00:04:46.920 And so, like, if you're watching and you don't know what it is, what happens is, like, Facebook will, even if you don't have a Facebook profile,

00:04:54.380 they will create one for you as soon as, like, enough people allow Facebook to access their friend list.

00:05:06.420 Not their friend list, but their contacts.

00:05:07.960 That's their contacts.

00:05:08.580 Man.

00:05:09.220 And then they match up your cell phone number and name with other people that have a name and a cell phone,

00:05:14.740 the same name and cell phone number in their phone, and say, okay, that's actually a person,

00:05:19.000 because we have, you know, multiple people have this same name and number.

00:05:23.220 So that means it's a person.

00:05:24.280 So let's create that.

00:05:25.180 And then anytime anyone tags you, that goes to your ghost profile or whatever.

00:05:31.040 So as soon as I heard of that shit, I was like, I'm getting that shit out of my gut, dude.

00:05:34.300 Holy shit.

00:05:35.780 It's like a private NSA.

00:05:37.920 Yeah.

00:05:38.160 Yeah, it literally is.

00:05:39.340 And they can literally create a profile for you, regardless of whether or not you've ever had Facebook.

00:05:46.760 And they do it just because someone else has shared the information.

00:05:50.420 And even though it's your information, your cell phone number and possibly your picture and face and stuff, they possess it.

00:05:57.300 And so it's their information, even though they're building something, you know, profile of you.

00:06:01.880 Dude, the craziest one I heard is I've learned about the ghost stuff off of TimCast, which we can segue into that soon.

00:06:08.600 But and they also they know and it came out that they know whenever you're taking a shit because like just from like if like they're like, oh, he like all of a sudden there's like every like at nine o'clock he gets like 10 minutes where he gets on.

00:06:22.820 And they're like, okay, he's taking a shit every day at nine o'clock.

00:06:25.860 He takes a shit because there's 10 minutes where he gets on.

00:06:28.140 He's on Facebook for like 10 minutes and he gets off and they know for a fact.

00:06:31.780 They're like and they've like proved it like multiple times.

00:06:34.380 And they can do this.

00:06:35.140 It's it's insane.

00:06:36.160 Like they and then there's the other stuff like whenever you I remember Instagram is really bad about this where you would like either mention something to your wife or girlfriend or like just talking to yourself.

00:06:45.940 And then you get an ad for it like immediately on Instagram all the time.

00:06:50.720 I heard it is scary.

00:06:52.600 So I heard a different explanation for that.

00:06:54.720 And it's not really that when you really think about it, it's not like it's not a consolation.

00:07:00.380 But you only notice the ads that match up with something you were just talking about, right?

00:07:08.900 You don't notice the ads that you constantly see that you weren't talking about.

00:07:14.600 So what's happening is they're getting so good at predicting things that you might need that they predicted.

00:07:22.120 And it just so happens that you were talking about it and they predicted it.

00:07:25.720 And so you see the correlation and you think, oh, my phone's listening to me.

00:07:29.600 But you didn't even think about the 10, 20, 30 ads that went by that that didn't make a connection.

00:07:35.500 So it's just really what it is.

00:07:37.780 It's them being able to predict you and you create that connection because you notice it.

00:07:42.600 But because there was you were just talking about it.

00:07:45.000 If it's something you were talking about, all the ads just kind of go by and they never register.

00:07:49.040 Well, where I work, that means they're predicting the right enough for you to go.

00:07:55.740 You know, it's pretty much just as bad.

00:07:59.600 Yeah, I remember when I where I was working before I work now, you know, I wasn't in a truck alone.

00:08:06.160 I was on a job site a lot working with other people.

00:08:08.780 And these guys were talking about one of our co-workers wives and I'd never heard of her.

00:08:17.100 I don't think I didn't know what her name was or whatever.

00:08:18.860 And then I pulled my phone out at lunch and she was at the top of my recommended Facebook friend requests.

00:08:27.620 That was fucking weird.

00:08:29.420 Yeah, that's strange.

00:08:30.460 I don't know.

00:08:31.620 Maybe I just like never noticed that she that she was in the recommended before.

00:08:36.220 Like you're saying, it just triggered it.

00:08:38.100 But she was at the top and I don't remember her ever being like because I wasn't Facebook friends with her husband either.

00:08:45.480 Dude, weird.

00:08:46.900 Dude, yeah.

00:08:47.640 I have like a theory that like the people that you're around, they can kind of like that also have like the Facebook mobile app.

00:08:54.500 They can kind of like suggest people based on like the people that you were like within like a geographic location of.

00:09:01.360 They want to do that.

00:09:02.260 Like there's got to be something like that because I've had something familiar.

00:09:06.220 It was on another job site though.

00:09:07.920 We were like, I mean, we were talking about it.

00:09:09.000 All right.

00:09:09.420 Well, I'm full of shit.

00:09:15.620 Well, yeah.

00:09:16.780 I mean, it's a different case from reads, I guess.

00:09:18.700 But Facebook must be like matching phone numbers that might be associated with the profile or something.

00:09:22.820 Because like I've definitely had a situation where I'm like texting this chick and there's no other connection that I have with her.

00:09:29.020 I'm pretty sure I don't have any other connection with her.

00:09:30.940 Then she shows up as a recommended friend on Facebook.

00:09:33.460 I'm like, am I ready for that shit?

00:09:35.080 The weirdest one for me is whenever I got yours, Toad.

00:09:40.160 Like I have nothing linked from my Twitter to my Facebook at all.

00:09:44.320 Nothing.

00:09:45.200 And Toad still came up in my recommended friends.

00:09:47.780 He's on my suggested too.

00:09:49.680 I'm like, I don't want to go.

00:09:50.800 I was like, I don't have his phone number, which is really weird that I don't have Toad's phone number.

00:10:00.400 I don't like.

00:10:01.720 The only thing I deal with them on is Twitter and sometimes Discord and that's it.

00:10:05.860 And then it still comes up and it's him.

00:10:07.620 And I'm like, this motherfucker.

00:10:10.340 We have mutual friends though, I think.

00:10:13.060 We must.

00:10:14.160 Yeah, I guess so.

00:10:15.080 But it's still just creepy.

00:10:15.980 And it's just, that's why whenever they go back.

00:10:19.180 He's like, I don't want to admit it.

00:10:22.460 Maybe Facebook is dead permanently.

00:10:24.780 Well, that's what I like whenever I see them go down like this.

00:10:27.320 Like, I don't give a fuck.

00:10:28.220 Like, you've been like spying on me for years.

00:10:31.240 I don't give a fuck if you go down and lose whatever.

00:10:33.540 How much like 5% of their market or their stock went down like 5% today.

00:10:39.440 And, like, they lost billions of dollars.

00:10:42.000 Like, I don't give a fuck.

00:10:42.900 Fuck you.

00:10:43.600 The worst thing about that is the fucking commies that are going to sit there and make a big stink

00:10:49.560 because Mark Zuckerberg lost $7 billion today.

00:10:55.180 Ugh.

00:10:55.980 Because I'm an idiot that doesn't know how unrealized capital works.

00:11:01.880 Yeah, he's like, yeah.

00:11:02.940 He's just like all of a sudden out of his pocket, like in his bank account.

00:11:05.800 It's just like $7 billion.

00:11:07.420 He gets instantly removed.

00:11:08.680 No, his bet.

00:11:10.060 His bet went down by $7 million.

00:11:12.140 Because all of his money is under his bet.

00:11:14.540 Right?

00:11:14.720 That's where he keeps all of his money.

00:11:16.200 So it went down.

00:11:17.840 You know, just like.

00:11:18.220 He literally goes and he kicks a Mexican in the head.

00:11:21.540 He, like, kicks a Mexican in the head, steals all his money.

00:11:23.960 And that's how he made his $7 billion.

00:11:25.960 And he just hoards it in his house.

00:11:28.280 It's like the episode of South Park whenever Magic Johnson sleeps on a bet of money.

00:11:33.680 And, like, that's how he cures AIDS.

00:11:35.620 That's how Zuckerberg cures his autism.

00:11:37.400 Is he sleeps on a bet of money.

00:11:40.520 I remember.

00:11:41.400 Money is a magical substance, man.

00:11:44.240 You can throw it at anything and most problems go away.

00:11:47.160 Remember in 2020 or 2019, one of Bernie Sanders, like, top people tweeted out that we could pay for free college if we just put a 10% tax on just Jeff Bezos.

00:11:58.820 So I was like, I want to see this math.

00:12:01.420 So I looked it up.

00:12:02.500 And I think this is when he was worth $700 billion or whatever.

00:12:07.900 Yeah.

00:12:08.300 And you wanted to see the math and it was just all pictures of a little toy truck.

00:12:12.940 What do you mean?

00:12:14.580 It was, you know, seven, apparently $70 billion a year would pay for free college is the number they've come up with.

00:12:22.540 So in their minds, putting a 10% tax on somebody takes 10% of their wealth away.

00:12:28.980 And this was like a top aide who tweeted this out.

00:12:31.880 I was just saying, my fucking God.

00:12:33.820 Yeah, God damn it is the correct response.

00:12:37.440 That person's in the proximity of authority.

00:12:43.700 He gets to be in the same room with people that make decisions about things.

00:12:49.280 Well, he was probably the dumb fuck that just did this whole Biden infrastructure plan or whatever he did where he said it's like $7 trillion.

00:12:56.900 I can't remember how much it is.

00:12:57.760 Just make it up a number.

00:12:58.540 It's a lot.

00:12:59.320 And he's just like, it's going to cost $0.

00:13:01.280 It's like, it's going to cost $0 because we're going to tax the money from the big corporations.

00:13:10.060 Like, yeah, that's just, that's just how it works.

00:13:13.080 That's just how everything.

00:13:14.500 I saw that.

00:13:15.600 And so I Googled how many billionaires are in America.

00:13:18.560 There's like 600 of them.

00:13:19.900 So like, if you took all of their money, I don't think like everything they had, like just liquidate them.

00:13:27.720 And like, she said, okay, we're going to pay for this package.

00:13:30.760 Like, that doesn't cover it.

00:13:34.060 And then you've got all the people that work at Amazon and they're out of work.

00:13:38.020 Yeah, dude.

00:13:38.480 I mean, even everyone who makes more than like $10 million, the number is pretty small compared to what you might think it is.

00:13:46.060 And then you hear people like, oh, if we just increase their taxes by just a little bit, you know, the middle class and the poor aren't going to have to pay anything.

00:13:53.260 We just increase their taxes by just a little bit.

00:13:57.740 I'll still be fucking retarded.

00:14:00.140 Medicare would cost $3 trillion a year is what they guess.

00:14:04.460 $3 trillion a year.

00:14:05.560 But just by raising taxes on the rich, we can create that even though the rich don't even have that much money.

00:14:11.240 It's just a way to popularize because like, I mean, the political left in this country just views the rich as like an enemy in total.

00:14:21.740 So it's just like what we've learned through this entire COVID era is they don't need to tax anybody a dime.

00:14:28.300 Really?

00:14:28.920 They'll just print it.

00:14:30.040 They'll just print it.

00:14:31.320 So it's just like, which is really, it's a hidden tax anyway.

00:14:34.760 Oh yeah.

00:14:35.260 Oh no.

00:14:35.820 A hundred percent.

00:14:36.440 But it's just like, like actual policy taxing, like a group is just a way to gain popular support because of envy essentially.

00:14:47.360 And because of, uh, you're so you're completely right.

00:14:51.160 And it's just disgusting.

00:14:52.360 Yeah.

00:14:53.460 Also the, the left, usually they paint capitalists as super greedy people, but then they also think that somehow if we tax them,

00:15:01.100 they're just going to pay out of pocket for it.

00:15:03.380 They're not going to like, it's like, it's like, they won't touch their workers' salaries.

00:15:08.820 They won't lay anybody off.

00:15:10.080 They won't do anything.

00:15:10.900 They just have so much money and profit.

00:15:12.580 They'll just like, be like, I'll just take some from the top and pay my taxes, but also they're super greedy and they only care about money.

00:15:19.940 So it's like these two things are adding up.

00:15:21.920 Well, you were getting away with it.

00:15:23.300 Then you did that.

00:15:24.160 Now I can't do anything to figure out how to get out of these taxes.

00:15:27.900 They think these people are just sitting on piles of gold.

00:15:30.060 Like, like all the gold that like FDR made everybody get rid of, like the, where like these billionaires somehow got ahold of it and they're sitting on piles of it.

00:15:38.760 And it's just like, they, they don't understand economics.

00:15:41.900 They don't understand property and they wouldn't be leftist if they did, but it, or maybe they would be because of their desire for power or, and because they're bad people in general.

00:15:51.440 But, and what also really sucks is they, um, sorry.

00:15:56.920 Um, they make like, they're so terrible about these big corporations and the people that are so rich and us on like the right and the libertarian debt to defend these super rich people.

00:16:08.400 At the same time, these super rich people are so terrible too.

00:16:11.100 They're not good at all.

00:16:12.280 Like they, a lot of their money was made from taxes and federal handouts and bailouts and they still do like, as much as like, I hate hearing all about how Amazon workers have terrible working conditions.

00:16:24.760 Some of them do, and it's just that it's not like they're doing, but, and so like, and so they make it seem like we just love, like whenever like, uh, the left makes fun of libertarians.

00:16:36.400 They're like, Oh, you just want to live in some corporate, you know, cyberpunk world where the corporations like just steal from you.

00:16:42.860 It's like, no, we hate that too.

00:16:44.320 But yeah, that literally sounds better than communism.

00:16:48.520 No, it's way better.

00:16:49.580 Obviously.

00:16:50.460 Yeah.

00:16:50.860 Like, like, well, no, I don't.

00:16:53.800 But if the option is that, or you're like, you know, shitshow of a, of a solution.

00:17:01.520 No, thank you.

00:17:03.000 Well, it depends on where I get to be in the communist regime.

00:17:05.840 You know, if I'm like, Hey, with that, with that mustache, you're going to be at the top.

00:17:11.700 I'll tell you that you're going to, you're going straight to the top.

00:17:14.520 Very likely.

00:17:15.320 If history repeats itself.

00:17:16.980 Yeah.

00:17:17.520 And I don't, I don't know if Phil agrees with me on this.

00:17:19.700 Cause I remember we talked about this like several months ago, but I'm actually a capitalist

00:17:22.980 because I think people suck.

00:17:25.080 Like I think Phil, you, if you were, if I remember right, you kind of think people are more inherently

00:17:30.900 good if they don't dehumanize each other or whatever.

00:17:34.200 But like when you're dealing with people individually, I think most people are, you get, you run into

00:17:39.500 more good people than you run into bad people when you're dealing with people individually.

00:17:43.260 But I mean, I have to start, I have to really start refining that idea.

00:17:47.180 Go ahead.

00:17:47.860 Sorry.

00:17:48.240 Yeah.

00:17:48.500 Well, I think like even individually, I think people in general just suck.

00:17:52.560 And that's why I'm a capitalist because I think capitalism and like anarchy actually

00:17:58.600 are recognizing that people are not fit to rule over you and make these decisions.

00:18:04.880 Like if we're all competing against each other, if we're all evil against each other, instead

00:18:09.900 of like a few people who are evil with complete power over all of us, it's actually better

00:18:16.200 if there's like a division of power.

00:18:18.580 And that's the whole idea of capitalism.

00:18:20.820 I'm in the, I'm kind of in the middle of that because like, I think that when people,

00:18:26.180 when power is involved, good people can become bad or the bad people can become even worse.

00:18:31.000 And whenever, you know, you talk about a structure of capitalism versus Marxism or even like

00:18:35.940 democratic socialism with capitalism, you have the true division of labor.

00:18:40.320 You have people who need each other because they need to trade.

00:18:43.400 They, they, they must trade in order to make their lives better and people around them better.

00:18:48.840 And the only system where you make people's lives better while enhancing your own is capitalism.

00:18:54.680 That's it.

00:18:55.360 And that's the only one.

00:18:56.480 If you, if you have a, an authoritarian or, or some kind of total, you know, totalitarian

00:19:00.960 or authoritarian government, then there's no need to satisfy the needs of other people.

00:19:07.640 It just becomes a straight up struggle for power, you know, for, for control of the, the

00:19:13.400 state apparatus, because that it's just about power.

00:19:16.080 Whereas with, when you have property rights that are protected by, you know, I know there's

00:19:21.080 some anarchists down here that are going to get all fucking cringy, but like you have

00:19:24.560 property rights that are protected by a state with, with some kind of system of courts that

00:19:31.100 you can rely on.

00:19:32.160 That's way better than any kind of communist, you know, communist or socialist organization,

00:19:40.120 because you, you don't have the ability to have a free society in a communist society.

00:19:46.220 You can have communism in a free society with people that agree.

00:19:50.120 You can't vice versa.

00:19:51.100 There's no vice versa.

00:19:51.780 And, and Phil's, and as one of those, you know, cringe anarchists in the group, as a,

00:19:58.320 as a ardent right winger, I, I would take a Lichtenstein, which is just like a decentralized

00:20:04.940 monarchy.

00:20:05.940 1,000 Lichtenstein.

00:20:07.380 Yeah.

00:20:07.940 Or 10,000 actually.

00:20:09.340 10,000.

00:20:10.120 But I will take.

00:20:11.640 It seems a little high.

00:20:12.380 I will take.

00:20:13.460 2 million Lichtenstein.

00:20:14.200 Let's go for a hundred.

00:20:15.960 6 million.

00:20:17.460 Talking about numbers is the most nerve wracking thing with you guys.

00:20:20.280 But yeah, I mean, I'll take, I'll, I'll take, you know, uh, let's say a minimal state that,

00:20:28.320 that protects property rights over a, you know, no state that doesn't protect any.

00:20:33.540 I mean, like I would rather, I will take a right wing.

00:20:37.300 I will take a right wing total state over a left wing total state.

00:20:41.420 I mean, it's just like, like one that actually even pretends to talk about property rights.

00:20:45.940 It's better than one who vehemently opposes one.

00:20:49.800 You know, with, with ideas like that, like, so I, it took me a minute to get comfortable

00:20:53.640 with the idea of saying, you know what?

00:20:56.080 I don't really think that democracy is a good idea.

00:20:59.080 Like it, it has uses, but I'm not, I'm not like that.

00:21:02.860 That was because you're, you're, you're so used to hearing people think that democracy

00:21:08.620 in and of itself is a good, like that's the way that it's portrayed.

00:21:13.020 And it's like, wow.

00:21:13.880 Yeah.

00:21:14.640 You know, that's not inherently true.

00:21:16.920 Like there are times when democracy, you know, there are plenty of times where I can,

00:21:20.540 I can conceptualize democracy turning, you know, coming back with terrible results.

00:21:26.000 So just because you're like, oh, well, I'm on the side of democracy.

00:21:29.460 Oh, I, you can be an idiot.

00:21:31.400 Yeah.

00:21:32.220 And that's, I mean, I think in the, I think in the libertarian sphere, you know, that

00:21:37.400 kind of, it went from people being more like old right style, like anti-democracy with like

00:21:42.980 HL Mencken and like those types.

00:21:44.960 And then Rothbard and Mises both were like small D Democrats most of their lives.

00:21:50.040 So like they, they were even on the side where they're just like, okay, like democracy

00:21:54.360 is at least better than, you know, monarchism or, or fascism or, or, you know, not equating

00:22:00.480 those two because they're obviously incredibly different.

00:22:03.340 But, and then Hoppe comes along and, you know, writes democracy, the guy that failed and

00:22:07.640 does like a, essentially a praxeological justification as to why monarchism is better

00:22:15.000 than democracy, but anarchism or even, you know, anarchism, a private law society, not

00:22:21.340 just, you know, any type of anarchism, but a private law system is better than both of

00:22:25.960 those by far.

00:22:27.200 But yeah, whenever, I mean, whenever it comes to people that are liberty minded or, you

00:22:33.720 know, people who are, you know, just becoming libertarians or have been libertarians for

00:22:37.140 a long time for them to, I mean, Rothbard didn't really accept that idea for a really

00:22:41.700 long time or in, in probably towards the end of his life.

00:22:45.300 He kind of came along, like came, you know, the David Duke, uh, like he was like this.

00:22:53.080 Oh yeah.

00:22:53.800 But that was, his right wing, his, his right wing populist era was, was inherently pro-democracy.

00:23:00.480 It was just like, you have to move the people into a right wing populist direction.

00:23:05.420 If we want anything that resembles a libertarian order anywhere close in, in the U S but it's

00:23:12.700 just like, yeah, a populist argument is inherently pro-democracy.

00:23:16.560 I'm a right wing populist and I'm a Hoppian.

00:23:19.140 So it's just like that.

00:23:20.180 Like, I don't, I think democracy is bad theoretically, like, like a priori true democracy is bad, but

00:23:26.780 I'm willing to use it to be able to achieve some goals and we hijacked democracy in Utah

00:23:35.540 today.

00:23:36.000 It was fucking amazing.

00:23:37.100 So, um, there was last week they said, we're going to have stopped at an intersection with

00:23:42.300 an 18 wheeler.

00:23:43.240 Fuck.

00:23:44.060 I don't care where you gotta go.

00:23:46.260 You can fucking vote this fucker.

00:23:48.560 There was a, uh, an announcement that went out last week that the business interim committee

00:23:53.380 was going to have a, uh, meeting with the citizens of Utah today, and you could, uh, Skype in

00:24:01.320 virtually, or you could show up in person.

00:24:03.160 And they were going to ask us what we thought about Biden's vaccine mandate because so far

00:24:08.400 our governor has pushed back against it said, you know, nope, that's not going to happen

00:24:11.920 here, but the legislature wants to know what we think.

00:24:15.200 So, um, I signed up for the virtual meeting so I could be on there and I thought like, oh God,

00:24:20.880 I better do this because there's probably going to be 20 people who show up and you know,

00:24:24.320 it's going to look horrible.

00:24:25.640 Almost a thousand people showed up.

00:24:28.100 So over 700 in person and then over 200 online and like three dozen of them were in favor of

00:24:36.960 the vaccine mandate.

00:24:38.260 So everyone else was against it.

00:24:40.220 So that was democracy, but I was like, fuck yeah.

00:24:43.380 Like we'll use this tool if we can.

00:24:45.120 And it was, I mean, I was listening, uh, to the room while I was on Skype all day and it

00:24:50.020 was just like soccer mom after soccer mom, like, don't you tell me what I have to do

00:24:54.540 to, you know, and then like these business owners who are like, I actually do this for

00:24:58.420 a living.

00:24:58.760 The white women were co-opted technically is what you're saying.

00:25:01.820 Weaponized.

00:25:03.260 Weaponized.

00:25:03.660 Sorry.

00:25:04.080 The white women were weaponized.

00:25:05.480 It was amazing though.

00:25:06.480 Like I've, it was the most white pilling moment I've ever had in my life.

00:25:10.240 I think like I was just jittery today.

00:25:12.080 I was just like, oh my God, I can't believe this is happening.

00:25:14.540 It was white women might be the white pill that wow.

00:25:19.500 That's what I've been trying to say.

00:25:23.000 I love, I'm a big fan.

00:25:25.660 I'm sorry, Nick.

00:25:28.160 I mean, I like fucking them, but I don't know.

00:25:32.600 Hey, totalitarianism will be stopped by white women in school boards in the U S put

00:25:40.980 down on the U S that's some of that James Lindsay, uh, white pill stuff.

00:25:47.840 Yeah.

00:25:48.560 Usually this is the white women on the school boards.

00:25:50.800 So you gotta like, they're like fighting against each other.

00:25:53.820 Basically is what you're saying.

00:25:55.260 Oh yeah.

00:25:55.520 They're like a race war.

00:25:58.780 A sex war.

00:26:03.140 The best part of today was this one woman who was pro Vax mandate.

00:26:07.400 And there was like a one minute time limit for everyone to speak.

00:26:11.060 So she wasn't very eloquent and she was kind of slow.

00:26:13.480 And so she gets one minute in and the guy's like, okay, your time is up.

00:26:17.260 Your time is up, ma'am, please stop.

00:26:18.660 And then she's like, you should be giving us five times the amount to speak.

00:26:22.420 Cause there's so few of us here.

00:26:23.900 And I was just like, oh, that's how it works.

00:26:29.340 Yep.

00:26:31.300 Democracy until we don't like democracy.

00:26:33.320 And then it's, you know, then it's not inherently good.

00:26:35.620 Yeah.

00:26:36.740 Yeah.

00:26:37.040 Well, democracy, whenever it goes against the egalitarianism turns into a bad thing.

00:26:42.080 It's just like, whenever they say that, like, you know, you know, the two senators who were, uh, you know, uh, mansion and who's the other one?

00:26:48.980 Uh, cinema.

00:26:50.140 Like now, now democracy is bad because yeah.

00:26:53.120 Oh yeah.

00:26:53.880 Now following women, white women into the, into the bathroom and yelling at them while they're in the stall is good.

00:27:00.200 That was, that shit was so funny.

00:27:06.880 Wait, I shouldn't do that?

00:27:08.440 What?

00:27:10.640 Toad's like, that's always how I hit on white women.

00:27:14.580 They can't leave.

00:27:17.720 I locked them in the stall, actually.

00:27:20.220 Run in there and just start yelling.

00:27:22.600 I just like, pinks his head under.

00:27:23.900 What are you doing in here?

00:27:29.540 No, I just bore a glory hole through the side of the air.

00:27:33.140 The power drill.

00:27:38.640 This flaccid penis goes through, just kind of flops over.

00:27:42.400 I never, I need you to get me hard, all right?

00:27:46.240 I don't have to do all the work here.

00:27:48.340 I want the severance holes.

00:27:50.420 Well, I always have a boner and then I just assume the chick is hot.

00:27:53.200 And I assume that it is a chick to begin with.

00:27:55.340 It doesn't matter if she's hot or a chick at all.

00:27:57.440 In a glory hole, it doesn't matter.

00:28:00.140 Yeah.

00:28:01.480 Just like, just like when Porsche's eating Ellen DeGeneres' pussy, it doesn't matter what Ellen DeGeneres looks like.

00:28:08.260 It's just all that matters is saying.

00:28:10.780 I love this show so much.

00:28:12.220 We were like a, we were like at a sort of like philosophical point and now we've like degenerated.

00:28:19.240 That's what happens.

00:28:20.540 That's what I do.

00:28:21.920 So, but wait a minute.

00:28:22.920 Are you saying that if you have a chick who has a hot face and she's hitting out another chick who I guess has a decent lower half and the rest of her looks like a man.

00:28:32.480 We're talking about Ellen DeGeneres and Porsche or Rossi.

00:28:35.420 Porsche, by the way, is way too hot for Ellen.

00:28:37.780 Yeah.

00:28:37.880 And we think that that's hot if we're seeing the whole thing just from Ellen's lower half down.

00:28:42.300 Is that, is that what we're saying?

00:28:44.560 Yep.

00:28:45.340 That's a preferable situation.

00:28:48.680 I'm with Phil here.

00:28:49.520 It's, it's, it's, it's low time preference.

00:28:51.280 We'll give it that.

00:28:51.960 All right.

00:28:52.280 Yeah, we will.

00:28:55.780 Well, I mean, to me, and I think to Fat Dave as well, that seems a lot.

00:29:00.420 It seems similar to the, the argument for fucking Buck Angel instead of fucking Bailey J, which is a situation where, Phil, would you rather fuck a dude with a pussy or a chick with a dick?

00:29:12.400 That is Bailey J right in the pooper.

00:29:17.560 But you would, I've had this, but you would rather watch like Porsche eat Buck Angel's pussy because it's an anonymous pussy.

00:29:25.160 It's just anonymous.

00:29:25.840 It's just, it's just there.

00:29:27.800 You just see.

00:29:28.780 Actually, that makes sense because otherwise you'd be watching her.

00:29:31.900 That's just like a fitness competitor.

00:29:34.040 Yeah.

00:29:34.740 It's like a girl go down on a fitness competitor, you know, like two days out from the competition when she's real.

00:29:42.380 Clean, skin's all dry.

00:29:46.760 Or one of those, not maybe not the fitness competitor, but the, oh, what are they?

00:29:52.080 The, the, not bodybuilder.

00:29:53.980 I guess the bodybuilders, the ones, have you seen the women bodybuilders that are fucking like, yeah, it just looks like that where they, they've already gotten the tan.

00:30:00.620 They've already, they did like a pre tan.

00:30:02.540 It's all nice.

00:30:03.220 Oh, God.

00:30:04.360 Those women are in.

00:30:06.100 Dude, like, it looks like.

00:30:07.460 I'm so glad I've never seen one in real life.

00:30:09.000 I might throw up in their face.

00:30:10.560 It looks like if you fuck one of those chicks, your dick will just snap off or something.

00:30:15.680 Like, I don't want to go anywhere near those women.

00:30:19.540 There was the.

00:30:20.400 Your dick is a pussy.

00:30:23.300 Yeah.

00:30:24.480 She's fucking you.

00:30:26.960 Oh, shit.

00:30:28.380 I'm looking for her balls the whole time.

00:30:34.340 But balls deep and I'm just like, yours are still bigger than mine.

00:30:36.960 So, I mean, I think what we're saying, though, is so if, yeah, if it is the lower half down, we'd rather see Portia de Rossi eating up Buck Angel.

00:30:45.720 But if it's the full body, like, or at least seeing from Portia de Rossi's face and the full body of the other person, we'd rather have her sucking Bailey J's dick.

00:30:55.040 And that would be hotter.

00:30:55.740 If we're seeing all of Bailey J, is that what we're saying?

00:30:58.660 Probably.

00:30:59.900 Yeah, that's easy.

00:31:01.040 That one's easy.

00:31:01.740 All right.

00:31:02.700 It makes sense to me.

00:31:04.300 So, we've got a bunch of super chats.

00:31:05.640 Can you grab those?

00:31:06.900 Because I feel pretty bad.

00:31:08.480 Yeah, I should be.

00:31:10.380 It's a heated debate.

00:31:12.940 The first one made you look.

00:31:14.920 It made you look.

00:31:15.580 That's a great idea.

00:31:16.140 I've never had that super chat before.

00:31:18.720 Then he comes back with a $10 one.

00:31:20.920 Thank you, Larry.

00:31:21.800 With a big brain.

00:31:23.020 Yeah, my libertarian.

00:31:24.040 Oh, we're back to big brain again.

00:31:25.240 My libertarianism is both optimistic and pessimistic.

00:31:28.720 Optimistic because most of us do live harmoniously every day.

00:31:32.200 Pessimistic because anyone given coercive power over others or of other humans will abuse it.

00:31:38.900 Not that I generally want people to be in charge, but Larry definitely cannot be in charge.

00:31:44.740 He has no idea what the –

00:31:46.520 I don't know, man.

00:31:47.400 It's kind of good.

00:31:48.020 It's kind of bad.

00:31:49.580 Sorry.

00:31:50.240 Go ahead.

00:31:50.720 I was just going to say, I think that one of the dumbest memes that you see is good ideas don't require force because you have people who are retards.

00:32:00.800 So they're going to try to impose on your property or on your self-autonomy.

00:32:08.200 So you're going to have to protect yourself, and that's force, right?

00:32:11.400 So I don't know.

00:32:11.980 I just think that that meme is kind of stupid.

00:32:14.220 Well, it's just ridiculous.

00:32:15.040 You have to protect yourself because they're aggressing against you, so like –

00:32:19.720 Well, no, there's a –

00:32:20.340 That's a bad idea.

00:32:21.740 They had a bad idea.

00:32:22.620 You can tell the difference between aggression and force.

00:32:24.780 They're not the same.

00:32:25.400 Yeah.

00:32:25.860 Yeah.

00:32:26.260 It's – I mean, like, that, like, 2011, like, Lulbert shit is so far beyond where we're at right now.

00:32:34.140 Like, yeah, okay.

00:32:35.200 Like, whenever, like, Ron was about to run again in 2012 and, like, the LP kind of, like, tried to, like, co-opt his Republican movement by, like, trying to recruit Libertarians that were, like, LP instead of where the Libertarian guy was running.

00:32:50.560 But, like, it's just – those talking points are so far gone, and it's just –

00:32:55.880 Well, it's just they're conflated.

00:32:57.560 I mean –

00:32:58.280 It's just bad.

00:32:59.860 It's a bad – not only is it bad.

00:33:01.580 Like, yeah, sometimes in order to defend – now, I don't like the argument that property is force because that's the egoist argument.

00:33:10.440 But, like, sometimes in order to protect your justly acquired property, force is necessary.

00:33:16.460 Yeah.

00:33:17.140 Right.

00:33:17.620 Well, I feel like it could be – good ideas don't require coercion or aggression or something like that.

00:33:24.320 Yeah.

00:33:24.560 Yeah.

00:33:24.980 I mean, that's not as catchy.

00:33:26.160 That's what the meme says.

00:33:26.960 It says force.

00:33:27.920 Yeah.

00:33:28.160 I mean, I think that's what it's meant by it because that's kind of always how I took it because it's kind of, like, with the vaccine shit and shit like that, where so many people clearly are, like, fuck this.

00:33:38.120 I'm not getting the vaccine.

00:33:39.060 Even if I'm now being, like, threatened over it, I'm still not going to get it.

00:33:43.400 And I'm included in that.

00:33:44.380 I'm saying I'm still not getting it.

00:33:46.200 Yeah.

00:33:46.560 You could also make the argument that, like, what is going on right now is genuine aggression.

00:33:52.420 Now, Ace has made that argument before on Twitter.

00:33:54.960 And, like, I lean that way where whatever is going on right now with, like, OSHA doesn't really have any, like, powers to force you to do things with, like, guns.

00:34:07.460 But they can force you monetarily.

00:34:09.520 It's coercion.

00:34:10.300 Yeah, it's coercion or, I mean, it's coming across from, like, is it coercion anymore or is it just straight-up aggression?

00:34:20.660 Because if you don't pay the fines, they'll shut you down or throw you in jail.

00:34:24.560 That seems like aggression to me.

00:34:26.460 Yeah.

00:34:27.800 And I'm not Fed posting here.

00:34:29.640 Like, that's, like, theoretically, like, that could be a justifiable opinion that I probably couldn't argue against.

00:34:36.480 No, yeah.

00:34:36.920 I'm saying it is.

00:34:38.360 Just today, Slate ran a tweet or a piece that said, the secret to getting people vaccinated is actually really simple.

00:34:46.440 Just make them do it.

00:34:49.460 Like, it's...

00:34:50.460 Wow.

00:34:52.160 Literally, like, just coerce them.

00:34:54.160 Like, and this is from, like, the left, which everybody up until, like, five minutes ago thought were the nice guys, or that was the narrative, right?

00:35:02.180 Like, they're the default liberal left.

00:35:05.300 They're the good people.

00:35:06.260 They wouldn't do blah, blah, blah, until, you know, man is in the hospital.

00:35:12.840 What?

00:35:13.160 You just said blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:14.660 Have you been watching Greta Thunberg a while later here?

00:35:17.660 No, I...

00:35:18.600 Or Joe Biden.

00:35:19.820 I missed the joke.

00:35:20.680 Sorry.

00:35:21.000 Oh, did you miss the thing where Greta Thunberg made a speech and she just started saying blah, blah, blah?

00:35:27.080 Like, it was just...

00:35:27.920 It was like a yada, yada.

00:35:29.140 Like, she was just yada, yada-ing over, like, talking points.

00:35:32.060 She was just like, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:33.400 My bad.

00:35:34.080 I'm sorry.

00:35:34.900 I thought she was, like, saying that, like, the shit that, like, some of the leaders, like Joe Biden, like, that they're saying shit that makes no sense.

00:35:43.920 And that was her point, but maybe I'm just giving her way too much credit.

00:35:47.100 I don't know.

00:35:47.480 She said, I just...

00:35:48.840 I see her as retarded, so I don't even...

00:35:50.720 I just...

00:35:51.120 Yeah, not only are the people that rule us unserious people, the people who influence...

00:35:56.620 Supposedly influence the people who are in power are unserious.

00:36:00.040 I mean, we have literally, like, that girl who obviously psyoped into, like, a serious position.

00:36:07.100 I mean, it's disgusting.

00:36:09.120 It's one of the most disgusting things I've seen within the past 10 years.

00:36:12.440 Like, if anybody actually took her seriously on her own merit, it would be...

00:36:16.480 I mean, if you want to have a philosophical argument or, like, an argument about, like, how politics actually affects, like, the environment, she would shut down within two seconds with anybody who knows anything.

00:36:27.020 But it's just, like, we...

00:36:28.560 One thing that I've been saying a lot to, like, my normie friends, like, not even my, like, normie MAGA friends, like, my normie friends in general.

00:36:35.480 It's just, like, we live in an unserious country with a very, very serious threat of force over your head.

00:36:44.160 And that's something that we are going to have to reconcile at some point.

00:36:47.800 Because these people don't think, they don't read, they don't know philosophy, they don't know economics, but it doesn't matter because they are over you.

00:36:55.120 And we somehow are going to have to figure something out.

00:36:58.220 It's like they're playing a video game, but it's almost like the movie, the Thermonuclear War, is that what it's called?

00:37:06.460 War Games.

00:37:06.780 What was that movie?

00:37:07.240 War Games.

00:37:07.900 War Games, yeah.

00:37:08.000 War Games, yeah.

00:37:09.360 And it's silly, like, them playing that, but with...

00:37:12.220 Yeah, it's like them playing that game, but instead of with, you know, Thermonuclear War, they're playing it with just economics.

00:37:19.140 And they're just like, well, let's just see, nah, this will work, and it just doesn't work, and they're like, well, nah, let's do this instead.

00:37:25.460 And it's just like, everything is...

00:37:27.140 Yeah, they're just like, well, we're doing it, and then they'll just lie and just be like, well, it's for you.

00:37:31.840 And I can't remember who, maybe it was Dave, or I can't remember who else said it, but something like, when are we going to make the...

00:37:40.820 It's like, when is a politician actually going to say, we're going to make the politicians say, this is the outcome that is going to happen because of the bill I'm putting in place?

00:37:49.380 Because they never say that.

00:37:50.520 They never, like, give, like, this is what we're doing, and this is exactly what we anticipate happening.

00:37:56.220 Like, exactly.

00:37:57.140 And then they never do that, and then even if they did, it never comes true anyways.

00:38:01.380 Well, it's a problem itself with central planning, like Mises' argument, like economic calculation of the socialist commonwealth.

00:38:09.200 They could say they think they know what's going to happen, but they have no idea.

00:38:15.540 They don't understand, you know, the seen, the unseen, and the unrealized.

00:38:19.120 What was that?

00:38:20.220 Is that Per Bylan's book where, like, that he wrote on, like, they can try, but even these people aren't stupid enough to know what's going to happen, except whenever it comes to wars.

00:38:32.520 Because, you know, the Iraq war was going to be a couple weeks.

00:38:35.880 Iraq War II, I'm sorry.

00:38:37.260 Iraq War II was only going to be a couple weeks.

00:38:40.260 In Afghanistan, we were only going to be there for a year or two.

00:38:42.740 We were going to get the bad guys out, and we were going to go.

00:38:45.220 But, like, only whenever it talks about military conflicts do they know what's going to happen, and they're going to, except for, you know, there's obviously some examples whenever they try and gain popular appeal, when they're just like, this is going to create jobs.

00:38:56.480 But, like, yeah, like, if you increase some sort of GOP or GDP through, I got GOP on the brain, GDP through, you know, government spending, you might create some government jobs.

00:39:08.280 They know that.

00:39:09.380 But it's just like whenever it comes to actual prosperity, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

00:39:12.980 I can't remember whose tweet it was.

00:39:16.140 After this, I want to get back to some of the Super Chats because we've got a ton of them for some reason.

00:39:20.280 But I can't remember what the tweet was about.

00:39:23.120 Oh, it was on LPKY, put out a tweet about something about Israel.

00:39:27.400 And then there was a guy in there, or Raytheon, and there was a guy in there who was like, would you say no to Raytheon bringing a ton of jobs to Kentucky?

00:39:37.820 And I'm like, yes.

00:39:40.100 We are all saying that.

00:39:41.980 We don't want you to make bombs with our tax dollars.

00:39:45.420 That's not what we're wanting.

00:39:46.620 We don't care if it brings a million jobs to the U.S.

00:39:50.000 You're just stealing it from other people, giving it to these people to make bombs to kill people across the world.

00:39:56.100 We don't want any type of military industrial complex being given to your state.

00:40:04.340 And I would hope that any libertarian would be like, yes, we'll vote no against it, even if it makes you look bad because you're not creating jobs.

00:40:14.440 Yeah, these are not productive jobs.

00:40:16.920 They're destructive jobs.

00:40:18.440 I mean, they're jobs that are creating things that are going to kill people.

00:40:22.760 And none of this shit would exist on the free market.

00:40:25.180 Toad, the F-35 program was great.

00:40:28.560 I don't know what it was.

00:40:30.720 I saw another one today about the, I think the littoral, I can't remember what the.

00:40:37.200 Littoral?

00:40:37.880 What?

00:40:38.820 Yes.

00:40:39.780 What's that?

00:40:40.720 It's a ship.

00:40:42.060 It's a class of ship that they've been making actually like where I live.

00:40:45.440 And they've already like admitted that they don't work, but they're still building them.

00:40:51.380 And they cost like billions for each ship.

00:40:54.280 It's insane.

00:40:54.960 But they just keep making them and they don't work.

00:40:57.440 And they like, I see them being built all the time.

00:40:59.720 They're terrible.

00:41:00.560 But yeah.

00:41:01.900 It's so stupid.

00:41:02.600 All right.

00:41:03.660 You want to get some more super chats?

00:41:05.140 Yeah.

00:41:05.300 Get some more of them.

00:41:06.240 Andrew Drow.

00:41:07.060 We need more ANCAP metal bands.

00:41:08.900 That is definitely true.

00:41:10.760 Like if we consider backwards to be one, how many do we, how many do we have?

00:41:14.880 Well, my, my band, which is a hardcore band is like.

00:41:18.240 Like three out of four of us are libertarians or ANCAPs.

00:41:23.380 So that's, that's obviously not like a big metal band or whatever, just a hardcore punk

00:41:28.420 band.

00:41:28.780 But, but yeah, I mean, that's, that's even rare.

00:41:31.580 If you want to talk about, you know, like how, especially in hardcore, I guess in like

00:41:37.360 the mainstream metal world, like it's just totally just not cool to be anything sort

00:41:45.100 of libertarian or right leaning whatsoever.

00:41:47.000 It's all left leaning.

00:41:48.640 Yeah.

00:41:49.120 And I, dude, Phil, Phil, dude, I've been like the first, first couple, all the remains

00:41:56.840 records, my shit, by the way.

00:41:59.420 And, and I just remember reading metal sucks all the time and they would just bury you for

00:42:06.180 having like basic libertarian, basic, basic libertarian, like not even like some sort of

00:42:14.080 fucking monster.

00:42:15.200 And I would read it and I'm just like, this poor bastard, dude, he's just getting buried

00:42:19.900 for nothing just because he's not a communist and metal sucks are all comedy guys.

00:42:25.760 Like literally like they are all like that website is disgusting.

00:42:29.600 Literally they're there.

00:42:31.840 It is loaded up with communists.

00:42:34.160 One.

00:42:34.220 So there's one dude from a different blog that, I mean, he's like his personal profile is like

00:42:40.640 says he's a socialist and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:43.140 And of course that's the dude that was like hitting up our label because I talked to talk

00:42:48.260 to Alex Jones and like one trying to get us dropped.

00:42:52.340 And it's like, I'm the only dude that he is even remotely political in all that remains.

00:42:57.540 And I'm really only political, like on Twitter, like it's not, I don't do it.

00:43:01.920 Like you don't hear me ranting and raving from the stage about that stuff.

00:43:06.720 Like I'll make, I'll make remarks about decriminalizing weed because it plays well with the crowd.

00:43:11.880 I mean, it's a metal show, you know, it's going to work.

00:43:15.360 You're from Massachusetts, right?

00:43:17.180 So yeah.

00:43:18.060 You know, I mean, it's, it's the only thing that we're good at.

00:43:21.080 Yeah.

00:43:22.960 So like, yeah.

00:43:24.060 But other than that, like it is not a, they like the metal community is not a welcoming

00:43:31.140 community to people that step outside of what the establishment metal community says is

00:43:39.840 okay.

00:43:40.240 And it's, it's genuinely people say that, you know, oh, there's, there's a right there's,

00:43:46.140 or there's a left lean in, in so many different, um, different media outlets, you know, like

00:43:52.020 Kotaku and, and, you know, metal sucks and, and, you know, the metal blogs.

00:43:57.640 And, and those are the same people that end up writing for Vox and writing for motherboard

00:44:02.080 and writing for, excuse me.

00:44:04.460 So for like, you know, regular normal, uh, media, you know, and it's all the same thing.

00:44:11.560 It's all the same people.

00:44:13.240 It's all the same, uh, same attitude.

00:44:16.720 You know, the vast majority of them live in Brooklyn.

00:44:19.900 If they're really successful, if not, they live in Jersey, you know, but they're all right

00:44:24.960 around New York and it's, it's all the same, you know, just leftist perspective, which is

00:44:32.660 in my opinion, just it's, it's, it's just super, super stupid.

00:44:37.220 And it's, yeah, it's just not, it's not serious.

00:44:39.780 And then like, I mean, it speaking from like, uh, the, you know, just from like the, the

00:44:45.020 hardcore scene, like, it's just like, these people don't think about what they believe.

00:44:51.300 They just toe the line on everything.

00:44:54.100 Like, it's just like, even, even on stuff that like, I pretend to be with them on, it

00:44:59.880 doesn't matter.

00:45:00.960 It doesn't like, if, if I ever, like, if, let's say if my band ever played, like, this

00:45:06.000 is hardcore, if people ever saw that I was on like Libertarian podcast and said what I

00:45:10.060 said, there is a certain group of people who would try and get me off of it.

00:45:14.340 Yeah.

00:45:14.620 Get like, kick my band off in the fest.

00:45:18.220 And it's just like, it's a fucking joke.

00:45:20.600 Cause I never advocate for any use of force, anything like that.

00:45:25.980 But just because I am not a literal communist, I will catch flack for that shit.

00:45:31.360 And it's, it's fucking insane, dude.

00:45:34.480 And I refuse to give, to give them an inch on something that like, I care about as much

00:45:39.340 as like, it's hard, it's hard.

00:45:40.920 Fuck them.

00:45:41.580 I'm not a huge, it's mine, not theirs.

00:45:43.760 Yeah.

00:45:44.600 I was joking with Toad and everybody about this because I'm, I'm, unfortunately I'm not

00:45:48.820 a big music fan at all.

00:45:50.360 Even like if almost any, I don't listen to music that much, but, um, where does it start?

00:45:55.680 I know I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking weirdo.

00:45:59.140 No soul.

00:46:00.400 Yeah, I know.

00:46:01.120 Um, where did this shit start at?

00:46:03.200 Like what, where did it start in, like in at least the metal scene?

00:46:07.500 Was this like, all has always been like this or was it like there was some kind of shift?

00:46:12.180 Um, it's fairly new in the metal scene and by fairly new, I'd say the past 15 years left

00:46:18.820 leaning hardcore bands go way back.

00:46:22.220 It's like back in the nineties when I was getting into metal bands and stuff like that,

00:46:26.180 like you would go to a show and it would be like earth crisis who were straight edge,

00:46:31.600 vegan, um, environmentalists and snap case who were also straight edge and there'd be

00:46:38.600 like food, not bombs would be, would they'd set up their, their stuff.

00:46:42.800 And, and so there was a lot of activists and activism in the hardcore scene.

00:46:49.140 The metal scene didn't have that, like it didn't have, like there weren't, there were

00:46:55.420 a handful of, of bands that might, that you might've thought of.

00:46:59.100 So like carcass there, that's full of, that band's full of vegans, or at least they were

00:47:03.760 vegans back in the day.

00:47:05.340 And that, but that was about it.

00:47:07.820 Most, I mean, your, your Florida death metal bands, your suffocations, your, your cannibal

00:47:12.660 corpse, your, your morbid angels, your thrash bands, like they weren't very, they definitely,

00:47:20.480 they weren't politically motivated.

00:47:22.740 And I mean, this is probably just me pontificating a little bit or just like analyzing, but the

00:47:29.480 left is, is kind of the group.

00:47:33.540 That's like, you have to take a, take a, take a side.

00:47:36.980 Like you have to have an opinion.

00:47:38.780 Yeah.

00:47:39.100 You don't get like people on the right or in the center, they'll be like, I'm not interested

00:47:44.060 in politics and there'll be, and for other people in the center or on the right, they

00:47:49.540 can just say, Oh, okay.

00:47:51.360 And go about their day.

00:47:53.060 People that aren't interested in, in politics, according to the left, they haven't been,

00:47:59.520 they haven't, you know, awoken a con, a critical consciousness, whether it be, uh, you know,

00:48:04.480 critical race theory or class consciousness, you know, critical class confidence from Marxism

00:48:09.760 shit, but every, for the left there's, especially the far left, it really does boil down to either

00:48:16.400 you're a communist or you're somehow helping fascists, promoting fascists.

00:48:24.020 Liberals are fascists.

00:48:25.820 So like with the, with the hardcore scenes influence in the new England metal scene, the

00:48:34.580 politics came with it.

00:48:35.940 So you got, so like, that's one of the things that people don't realize that happened with

00:48:40.060 metal core in, in the Northeast.

00:48:42.420 Like, so metal core is like a mix of hardcore and metal.

00:48:45.440 When you listen to earth Christ crisis, their music sounds like a metal band.

00:48:50.140 Like it's not super notey riffy, but it sounds like a metal band.

00:48:53.660 Um, and there were a bunch of other hardcore bands that were politically active and politically

00:48:58.200 motivated and kind of had that metal sound and metal bands were like, that sounds cool.

00:49:02.880 And so that was kind of how metal bands and metal core started to get the political leanings

00:49:09.240 that it does.

00:49:09.820 And because the left has been so successful in, you know, at, at creating culture, that's

00:49:15.460 how, that's why they have such a heavy influence in the, in media and, and et cetera.

00:49:20.200 So it's like, like, I mean, it's literally a religion, so you're not saved if you're not

00:49:26.500 part of it.

00:49:27.220 Like, I mean, like, you know, like the cringe, like, like far right, like televangelist evangelicals,

00:49:34.060 like they're the same as the left because they view you the same way you're like, I mean,

00:49:38.840 it's just absolutely insane.

00:49:40.260 You're completely right though.

00:49:41.180 Yeah.

00:49:41.900 And Phil, like, even with like your era of like Massachusetts, like metal core bands

00:49:47.440 with like Kill Switch and Gage and like an earth and stuff, that stuff wasn't like over

00:49:50.760 overtly political by any means, but it was just like, it kind of like after that era, it

00:49:56.940 kind of ran with like where the activism of hardcore kind of really did seep into like

00:50:03.240 the, especially like the metal core scene, like whenever it was actually still involved

00:50:07.380 with hardcore at all.

00:50:09.680 Yeah.

00:50:10.240 And absolutely.

00:50:11.520 I'm a young Gen Xer.

00:50:13.200 So like I'm at the very end of, I just slid in, I was born in 75.

00:50:18.120 So I just slid into the Gen X, right.

00:50:21.000 And most of the dudes that were in the bands that, that are in the bands that you listed,

00:50:24.680 they're, they're right around my age.

00:50:26.680 So they're like young Gen Xers, not a lot of, I don't think there's a lot of millennials,

00:50:29.960 but like, and that's the thing about Gen X, like Gen X didn't get wrapped up in a lot

00:50:36.380 of the same kind of social thing, social issues that, uh, that the, uh, the millennials did

00:50:42.700 like in the nineties, there was a whole lot of, we're going to accept everybody.

00:50:46.100 And that's cool.

00:50:47.620 Like, you know, everybody that was like, you know, that was when you were like in the nineties

00:50:53.780 is like, okay, it's fine that people are gay and, and racism's actually really bad.

00:50:58.540 And, and, you know, that was kind of like the Gen X, you know, attitude was like, okay,

00:51:03.080 we, we don't have the same hangups that the boomers had.

00:51:06.660 You know, we didn't live with actual segregation.

00:51:10.240 We're the generation that comes after that stuff.

00:51:12.580 We didn't really see it.

00:51:13.800 You know, Gen X didn't really have to deal with it.

00:51:16.320 Most of us were way too young when it was actually still state sanctioned.

00:51:20.600 And then there's still a huge amount of us that were born after the, the civil rights

00:51:26.160 act and stuff.

00:51:26.780 And so Gen X didn't, you know, we kind of were like, we don't have that, you know,

00:51:32.280 that, that, that burden that, you know, the boomers had and stuff.

00:51:36.460 And then the millennials kind of just took that and said, whoa, check this shit out.

00:51:41.240 Look what we're going to do with this, you know, and made a shit show out of it.

00:51:44.460 They're like, man.

00:51:45.280 So it wasn't bad originally, right?

00:51:47.060 Like the acceptance thing, I don't think it's bad.

00:51:49.480 And it's like the new wave is the opposite of acceptance.

00:51:53.500 It's yeah, but because it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's racism and it's like, it's

00:51:58.440 focusing on racism and focusing on race and you can't focus on race and not be racist.

00:52:05.280 Like, I know that they like to play with, they like to play with, with definitions and, you

00:52:10.700 know, racism is prejudice plus power and blah, blah, blah.

00:52:13.640 If you talk like a normal fucking person, right.

00:52:17.560 And not a person that is schooled in critical race theory or has a critical consciousness

00:52:22.420 or whatever.

00:52:23.720 Racism is shitty.

00:52:25.220 And racism is when you focus on other people's race and you treat them differently because

00:52:30.620 of their race, that sucks.

00:52:33.460 And people that, you know, were Gen X kind largely were like, we don't want to do that.

00:52:39.220 We don't want to live in a society where that's acceptable.

00:52:41.640 We reject that stuff.

00:52:43.160 And then, like I said, the millennials came along and they were like, Oh, check this out.

00:52:46.620 We're just going to spin it around because, you know, yeah.

00:52:50.180 Yeah.

00:52:50.300 The group was bad.

00:52:51.920 The millennials said you have to be actively anti-racist.

00:52:54.960 Yeah.

00:52:55.100 It's the, I mean, it's the difference between progressive and what liberal is supposed to

00:53:03.520 mean, like an actual liberal is accepting, but, you know, progressive, they want to act

00:53:09.120 like they're accepting.

00:53:10.300 They still use that word sometimes, but it's not.

00:53:12.600 It's like, they want you to accept everything they believe.

00:53:16.780 It's not that we want to live and let live and, you know, have honest discourse and, you

00:53:21.280 know, accept everyone who thinks anything.

00:53:22.740 It's like, no, you will accept my belief system and then you're okay.

00:53:27.300 Yeah.

00:53:27.480 And that goes back to wherever you were talking about like progressive, progressivism being

00:53:31.660 a legitimate faith.

00:53:32.780 It is a secular faith based on egalitarian principles.

00:53:36.600 Fucking religion, man.

00:53:37.700 Yep.

00:53:38.400 All fucking because of stupid Hagelin.

00:53:40.640 He's dumb bullshit.

00:53:41.720 But like that, like Marx was, Marx built on a lot of, built on Hagel's ideas and then all

00:53:48.620 the scumbags in the sixties, like what's his name?

00:53:54.020 James Lindsay talks about him all the time.

00:53:55.820 No, not there at a Mark Hughes, Herbert Mark Hughes.

00:53:59.340 Oh, Mark Hughes.

00:53:59.800 Like, yeah, he, he wrote a repressive tolerance and all that kind of shit.

00:54:05.020 Like it, it just, it built on stuff that Marx was talking about, but instead of class being

00:54:12.080 the deciding factor, it was race, which makes it even shittier.

00:54:16.300 And that's even four percent.

00:54:18.580 Yeah.

00:54:18.940 It's just fucking like, like, let's take your entire society and then just throw it off a

00:54:23.560 cliff and then burn it.

00:54:24.940 Yeah.

00:54:25.260 Yeah.

00:54:25.820 The beginnings of the real identity politics, I guess.

00:54:28.880 Yeah.

00:54:29.100 So we have, grab the, grab top lobsters there.

00:54:31.940 I'm going to grab lobsters right now.

00:54:33.440 Yeah.

00:54:33.660 Yeah.

00:54:34.280 Five bucks.

00:54:35.280 Thanks, Top.

00:54:36.160 The FBI is investigating a huge spike in parents, threatening school teachers and board members.

00:54:41.560 White women must be co-opted.

00:54:43.500 Hey, I do have to point out that Spike is the guy who originally came up with the concept,

00:54:48.000 but the phrase white women must be co-opted is actually, man, what's his last name?

00:54:53.800 Bill from New Hampshire.

00:54:56.480 Bill Barger.

00:54:58.200 Is that his name?

00:54:58.700 Yeah.

00:54:58.860 Bill Barger.

00:54:59.560 Yeah.

00:54:59.780 Oh, yeah.

00:55:00.220 He's a, he's a, he's a baller.

00:55:02.020 I like that guy.

00:55:02.840 He's the guy who came up with the phrase white women must be co-opted.

00:55:06.440 So, and then Justin, Justin has one for Phil.

00:55:09.760 He has a, Justin O'Donnell says, I want to hear Phil scream.

00:55:14.040 Yes.

00:55:14.400 Yes.

00:55:18.240 Do I get the $2 now?

00:55:20.480 You get the $2.

00:55:22.220 And I take Bitcoin.

00:55:24.100 Is that, is that what you sound like when you're having an orgasm though?

00:55:27.560 Do you really want to know?

00:55:32.620 Kind of.

00:55:33.620 That's what she sounds like.

00:55:35.140 All right.

00:55:35.420 That's what, uh,

00:55:36.260 Oh, I've got a funny story story related to that.

00:55:41.120 And so Phil posted a screenshot of a text message thing we've done on, on Twitter.

00:55:46.740 And so then, uh, uh, Quincy texted me and said, Reed, please send me Phil's number so

00:55:53.720 I can prank call a prank, text him with this.

00:55:56.040 And he had this picture of this like 60 year old black woman lying on her stomach and her

00:56:00.260 panties.

00:56:00.720 And he was going to say, uh, Hey, what's up white boy.

00:56:04.340 Remember?

00:56:06.780 That was actually a woman.

00:56:09.000 I thought it was a dude in women's panties or a dude with a thong.

00:56:12.960 No.

00:56:13.240 I don't know.

00:56:13.660 I thought it was like unicorn daddy or something.

00:56:16.620 But anyway, I don't, I don't give, I don't give out phone numbers like that unless it's

00:56:20.500 my brother.

00:56:21.060 So then I was like, Hey, I'm not going to give you Phil's number, but I'll give you my

00:56:23.840 brother's phone number.

00:56:27.360 That would, that would be an offense to unicorn dad.

00:56:30.060 This was like a 60 year old, like overweight person.

00:56:33.560 You couldn't tell what gender they were.

00:56:36.100 It was a big black ass.

00:56:38.220 Let's put it that way.

00:56:38.960 Fucking Justin all the time asking about Timothy McVeigh.

00:56:42.000 He had one other one.

00:56:43.420 I would, I would like to hear Taylor's and, and, uh, Phil's on this.

00:56:47.140 Was Timothy McVeigh justified in using violence against the state?

00:56:49.900 Assume that the daycare was out and he had a good, he had good intel.

00:56:54.720 I do not.

00:56:55.600 I actually don't, um, as much as I was talking about, you know, like the difference between

00:57:01.180 coercion and aggression, whenever it comes to between the state, um, whenever it comes

00:57:06.520 to something like that, what you're doing, I mean, these, these might be, you know, uh,

00:57:12.540 and this is, you know, philosophically troublesome, but like you can't ever estimate the damage

00:57:19.580 you're going to cause with something like that.

00:57:21.320 You could hurt somebody who isn't involved in that sort of situation whatsoever.

00:57:26.640 So I don't think, especially whenever you talk about, you know, like there was a fucking

00:57:30.720 school there, like, but, but yeah, you know, your premise makes it a little bit more justifiable,

00:57:37.200 but I, I, I don't think so.

00:57:38.900 I'm, I'm a, uh, as, as much as, you know, Hoppians are painted as the bad guys, I'm, I'm pretty

00:57:44.760 much a, a non-violence guy, whenever it comes to something.

00:57:47.640 Yeah, I agree with you on that.

00:57:49.180 We're on damage control for you guys.

00:57:50.900 Like you guys look better now with Justin.

00:57:52.840 No, I'm just kidding.

00:57:55.420 You look better.

00:57:56.440 Yeah.

00:57:56.680 In comparison to Justin, because Justin would just blow up the federal building and the

00:58:01.900 kids in the daycare.

00:58:03.000 Has there been anyone that agrees with him yet?

00:58:04.700 Like I said, I disavow this.

00:58:08.040 Yeah.

00:58:08.500 I don't think anybody's agreed with him yet.

00:58:10.920 No.

00:58:11.340 Maybe he can get me if like someone said, maybe like, maybe the Pentagon, that's one that

00:58:16.920 maybe you could be like, okay, maybe they'd blow up the Pentagon.

00:58:19.620 Like that.

00:58:19.920 I mean, if flight 77 had been empty, would that have been not aggression anymore?

00:58:25.380 Would that have just been force?

00:58:27.020 You know, just.

00:58:27.660 No, because he stole a private property to do it.

00:58:29.880 Okay.

00:58:30.200 What if, what if.

00:58:30.900 That's the problem, you know, the private.

00:58:34.840 No, the problem is that Donald Trump is on the other side of the Pentagon.

00:58:38.700 What if, what if American Airlines sold the plane to the hijackers and then they're

00:58:42.460 to the Pentagon?

00:58:43.520 And would that have been aggression?

00:58:44.940 From a property rights perspective, that is more problematic to my position.

00:58:52.500 It's really hard to defend.

00:58:53.940 It sounded, it sounded better every, every second.

00:59:00.900 Like, it's like, how, what about the White House?

00:59:03.260 Like, how much, how much would it take?

00:59:04.840 Because I mean, this.

00:59:06.120 No, there's dogs in there.

00:59:07.540 Yeah, see, I feel like.

00:59:08.280 That's true.

00:59:09.160 I feel like the Pentagon's not as bad as the, or is, you know, a better target than the

00:59:13.140 White House.

00:59:13.540 I feel like the Pentagon would be the best target you could, you could think of.

00:59:17.000 Theoretically.

00:59:19.260 Theoretically.

00:59:20.580 Theoretically.

00:59:21.140 In mind, sorry, I just didn't.

00:59:22.780 In mind.

00:59:24.260 It's going to get clipped of me saying the White House, the Pentagon would be the best target.

00:59:29.400 God damn it.

00:59:29.960 Everyone's turned their phones off.

00:59:32.300 We lost this episode, too, for hate speech.

00:59:34.380 Yeah, see, like, if I had been on the plane, like, with the let's roll moment, if it had

00:59:41.400 been on 77, and then I heard, we're going to hit the Pentagon, I would have been like,

00:59:44.980 I would have had a conflicting moment, like, well, do we still kick the cockpit, or are we

00:59:47.960 just like.

00:59:49.520 Reed would sacrifice himself.

00:59:51.400 Just light a cigar.

00:59:52.300 Reed would just be like, you know what?

00:59:55.500 Reed's like, hey guys, let's talk about this.

00:59:57.020 Do we really want to, let's, let's just let them do their thing.

01:00:00.180 Let's wear off.

01:00:01.200 I mean, really think about this.

01:00:02.580 Was your life that great?

01:00:06.540 Mustachio truckers must be co-opted.

01:00:09.680 That's true.

01:00:12.080 Then, uh, Bilbus asks, Phil, what's your favorite of Toad's ukulele songs?

01:00:16.520 If you've listened to one of them, I will be surprised, because I have not heard any of

01:00:21.060 Toad's ukulele songs.

01:00:22.920 I do a bunch of ukulele songs.

01:00:27.460 I've tried it.

01:00:28.480 It doesn't actually, like, work with my condenser mic, so that kind of sucks.

01:00:32.580 I'm like, no.

01:00:33.760 Rich Clarkson.

01:00:35.000 Live on the show.

01:00:36.520 Phil versus an army of Gretas.

01:00:38.500 How many can Phil take out before being overwhelmed?

01:00:41.340 How many retarded, probably vegan, like, 19-year-olds can you beat the fuck out of before they

01:00:50.200 overwhelm you?

01:00:51.180 In terms of pure muscle mass, I give him a shot.

01:00:53.380 Mike Hardio is not that great, but I can take out at least three.

01:00:58.600 You'll fuck up three.

01:01:00.080 Like, one of, like, just absolutely.

01:01:02.940 I'll use one to beat the other one.

01:01:05.400 The other two.

01:01:06.600 So there's going to be one that's real beat up and two that are mostly beat up.

01:01:10.240 And then...

01:01:10.840 Well, what if they have a microphone or a mask on them?

01:01:13.600 Because I don't know.

01:01:14.520 That's some type of weird weapon she had there.

01:01:16.580 I don't know.

01:01:18.380 Well, it's going to be funny.

01:01:19.220 You just hope that you can, you know, scare the rest of them by beating the absolute living

01:01:23.200 hell out of three of them to scare the rest off.

01:01:26.020 How dare you?

01:01:30.700 Bill's just really mad they're not going to school.

01:01:32.860 He's like, get back to fucking school, you bitch.

01:01:35.240 I mean, I don't know.

01:01:38.460 That's where she got her...

01:01:40.880 That's where they poisoned her.

01:01:42.160 So I don't know.

01:01:42.980 Her out of school is probably a good thing.

01:01:45.680 I don't know.

01:01:46.060 I guess her parents are, like, some sort of, like, crazy fucking activist, like, writing

01:01:50.840 her speeches for her shit.

01:01:52.320 Yeah.

01:01:52.560 So this is a bad move for me in, like, saying that, like, maybe public school would be better

01:01:57.760 for her than fucking her homeschooling.

01:02:01.100 Since her parents are, like, legitimate, like, the worst type of, like, activist parents

01:02:06.320 where they're like, you believe this and you're going to go to the UN and say this.

01:02:11.380 And yeah, your ideas are society-destroying, but, like, we did it.

01:02:15.480 We taught you this at home.

01:02:16.820 Dude, do you remember whenever she first came out, like, whenever it was first coming out

01:02:21.000 and she was all, like, whatever, Times Person of the Year, and they were also, like, you

01:02:24.780 can't criticize her because she's also under 18.

01:02:27.420 It was the nastiest fucking shit I've ever seen.

01:02:31.860 I think this is the same people who criticized fucking Nick Sandman.

01:02:38.760 Yeah.

01:02:39.360 Yeah.

01:02:39.700 Oh, yeah.

01:02:40.300 He was under 18.

01:02:41.520 They wanted him in jail for-

01:02:42.880 Punchable face.

01:02:44.060 Yeah.

01:02:44.520 They wanted him in jail for smiling at a guy.

01:02:48.200 They wanted that kid to rot for smiling in a hat.

01:02:52.140 And dude-

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:53.640 Dude, that guy got away like a bandit, too.

01:02:56.380 He made millions off of it, and good for him.

01:02:59.920 Good for him.

01:03:00.460 Good for him.

01:03:01.100 He fucking-

01:03:01.940 I mean, I wish it would happen more.

01:03:04.080 And I know, like, we were talking in the pre-show about, like, Alex Jones, like, where

01:03:11.000 he's, like, right now, he's being- I think he just lost a court case with the Sandy Hook

01:03:15.820 people.

01:03:16.140 But imagine just how much slander they've- they literally removed him off everything they can,

01:03:21.480 and then just literally, anytime you hear Alex Jones be brought up, they'll literally just

01:03:25.720 call him a conspiracy theorist and, like, a, you know, super- like, they just- I mean,

01:03:30.100 the guy's name had dragged through the mud in the- at least the mainstream media, but,

01:03:34.120 I mean, and he's- I think he's tried to sue them, or he's been in multiple lawsuits, but-

01:03:39.060 Like, defamation lawsuits, yeah.

01:03:40.640 I think we have a couple of those, yeah.

01:03:42.880 I will say, like, on the mainstream, like- not mainstream, but on, like, the political,

01:03:48.680 like, I would say, like, libertarian world and, like, just, like, the right-wing internet

01:03:54.720 sphere.

01:03:56.060 Like, the Alex Jones redemption arc has been unbelievable.

01:04:00.820 It's awesome.

01:04:02.140 Like, as a guy who was, like, you know, like, I was like, man, he fucked up with Sandy Hook

01:04:06.660 bad.

01:04:07.380 Like, I was just, like, I don't know if- I don't know if they'll ever let him, like, do anything

01:04:11.860 again.

01:04:12.320 And then, like, with him going on Rogan and him, like, just, like, building up and, like,

01:04:17.720 building his reputation back up by- by showing people that he knows his shit better than

01:04:22.640 anybody on the planet, almost.

01:04:24.860 Yeah.

01:04:25.040 Like, him and Ryan Dawson are, like, the guys who know the shit more than anybody else.

01:04:29.600 And it's just, like, and just seeing the, like-

01:04:33.100 I want-

01:04:33.600 Do they really?

01:04:34.860 Yeah.

01:04:35.080 I want to get them on the Four Horsemen together.

01:04:36.860 That would be fucking epic.

01:04:38.340 I would- I would watch it, dude.

01:04:39.880 I would.

01:04:40.400 Yeah, I guess- I guess with-

01:04:41.760 Are you going to be a Tom Woods 2000 read?

01:04:43.740 I'm not.

01:04:44.460 I wish I could.

01:04:45.020 Oh, damn it.

01:04:45.900 Because-

01:04:46.840 Oh, I'm just going to say anything after that.

01:04:48.760 But-

01:04:49.160 But yeah, just-

01:04:52.080 Yeah, that does-

01:04:52.960 I mean, it doesn't surprise me with-

01:04:54.380 with AJ's kind of Israel stuff and Ryan's whole thing.

01:04:58.020 Well, no, it's actually more kind of Israel stuff.

01:05:02.420 Alex is actually smart, but, I mean, it's just all the stuff he adds on top of it.

01:05:07.300 And, you know, so then no one will listen to him.

01:05:09.440 So then you have Ryan who's actually doing the serious stuff, and no one listens to him

01:05:13.540 because of Alex Jones.

01:05:14.660 That's why he hates him.

01:05:15.800 But-

01:05:15.920 Oh, yeah.

01:05:16.280 Well, no, I get it.

01:05:17.600 His initials are AJ because he's anti-Jew, so.

01:05:20.660 He's a big Israel guy, I thought.

01:05:24.940 I found a big clip of him before he-

01:05:27.120 That shit, it was the one after 9-11?

01:05:30.260 Yeah.

01:05:30.500 That shit was insane.

01:05:31.840 I did see that, yeah.

01:05:33.660 Like, and then he got, you know, well, what's crazy, like you said, the redemption arc, because

01:05:39.460 you start seeing, like, after, he'll come on Rogan, and Rogan speaks, like, super highly

01:05:43.940 of him.

01:05:44.660 But then I saw him, like, a couple weeks ago, he was on, like, Kill Tony, which is a

01:05:47.760 comedian podcast I always talk about.

01:05:49.480 He was on there, and he was just- he's been on it twice now, and then he'll go on Timcast,

01:05:53.160 like, multiple times.

01:05:54.120 He'll go on-

01:05:54.980 It's like, he's, like, doing this kind of-

01:05:56.360 With Phil.

01:05:57.360 Yeah, with Phil, yeah.

01:05:58.620 He was on there with fucking Phil.

01:06:00.460 It was fun.

01:06:01.620 Yeah.

01:06:02.600 Is that the first time you met him, or?

01:06:05.400 That was the first time that I met him, yeah.

01:06:07.600 Mm-hmm.

01:06:08.680 I was on Info Wars with Milo back in the day.

01:06:14.360 Um, but, uh, but yeah, Monday with Tim's was the first time that I met him, so.

01:06:21.140 And the question we always have to ask with, uh, with AJ is, like, he's- he is that guy

01:06:26.640 off screen.

01:06:27.460 Like, that's him.

01:06:28.240 Yeah.

01:06:28.520 That's-

01:06:28.920 Dude, I want to get him on this show so bad.

01:06:32.220 Good.

01:06:32.980 It would be great.

01:06:34.360 There's not too many- there's not too many people in, like, the political sphere that

01:06:36.700 I would love to just, like, get absolutely fucking wasted with than Alex.

01:06:41.940 Ah, he doesn't drink anymore.

01:06:44.100 What?

01:06:44.580 Oh, that's right.

01:06:45.080 He did give it up, yeah.

01:06:47.080 I'll pick up very much.

01:06:49.220 But, but honestly, it doesn't matter.

01:06:50.880 I mean, I would still just be- just chill there with him and just listen to him.

01:06:54.500 Just talk to the fucking dude.

01:06:55.820 Actually, I would do it dead sober.

01:06:57.800 Yeah, I would too.

01:06:58.820 It's like, there's- he's- he's just charismatic.

01:07:02.940 He's magnetic, like, you want to, like, you want to listen to him, like, and he's- I don't

01:07:07.680 know if he's intentionally or unintentionally funny or unintentionally hilarious, but he

01:07:12.580 is, like, if he does it for- if he's trying to do it or he's not trying to do it, either

01:07:17.320 way, he absolutely is.

01:07:19.000 He's not putting it on, right?

01:07:21.180 So, like, so- and when I say not putting it on, like, he's- it's not like he changes

01:07:26.960 and he's not that guy behind the camera.

01:07:30.700 Obviously, when he's- when the camera's on and he's talking about something, he does

01:07:33.780 get fired up, but it's not like he's not- it's not fake.

01:07:39.380 It's not fake at all.

01:07:40.840 It's great.

01:07:42.080 It's amazing.

01:07:43.220 And that's the people you want to be around that are, like, legit- like, that are legit,

01:07:47.540 where, like, you talk to them, you know, on a show or off the show, you could- it's

01:07:51.520 still the same.

01:07:52.240 They're not just, like, on the show, be super nice and funny, and then off the show, they're,

01:07:56.440 like, basically, fuck you, whatever, I'm out of here.

01:07:59.240 Like, it seems like he is that guy you can just kind of chill with for hours and just

01:08:03.540 listen to him talk and just, you know, just get him going on something.

01:08:06.980 Just, like, put out there, like-

01:08:08.320 Yeah, you can tell that he's being human.

01:08:10.740 Yeah.

01:08:11.560 Well, guys, Phil has to run, so-

01:08:13.940 Oh, there was one more.

01:08:15.360 There was one more.

01:08:16.020 It was David Sanchez from Havoc and Freddie from Madball, the only bands in the industry

01:08:20.840 that stand by their principles, so I just wanted to-

01:08:23.460 I mean, Madball are-

01:08:25.540 Madball are pretty legit, dude, so I don't know Freddie, but the Madball dudes are really

01:08:30.580 awesome.

01:08:30.820 And we missed this one, too, Marshall, talking about many ANCAP bands after what ain't many

01:08:35.780 ANCAP bands, maybe, after what happened to Ice Earth, where- I know the guy from Ice Earth

01:08:39.880 was at the 1-6 in-

01:08:42.580 I don't think that he was an ANCAP, but-

01:08:45.320 Yeah.

01:08:46.180 You know.

01:08:46.740 Well, I mean, it's still viewed as dangerous ideas to the regime, so yeah.

01:08:51.220 But yeah, shout out Madball.

01:08:54.340 All right, guys.

01:08:55.120 Actually, I got to split, guys.

01:08:56.840 Yeah, go ahead.

01:08:57.620 If you want to give your plugs or you just want to get the fuck out of here, go ahead.

01:09:01.280 I'm Phil that remains everywhere.

01:09:03.100 Like, I stream Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday on Twitch.

01:09:05.700 I'm Phil that remains on Twitter, mine's on anywhere that I'm on, so-

01:09:12.580 Also, thanks for shouting us out, man, on TimCast.

01:09:14.980 We might get on TimCast because of that, so-

01:09:18.100 I like shitlords, so-

01:09:19.940 Hell yeah.

01:09:21.100 You are on now.

01:09:22.720 Disabow.

01:09:24.880 Disabow and then fuck it out of here.

01:09:26.480 Thanks.

01:09:26.920 See you, Phil.

01:09:28.240 That was pretty fun.

01:09:31.580 That was fun.

01:09:32.100 That's awesome, man.

01:09:33.180 And then fucking Tyler Jenke said, most likely to be found in Archie Flowers' basement, Greta,

01:09:38.180 Nick Salmon, or David Hong.

01:09:39.880 Oh, Jesus.

01:09:40.740 It would probably be David, I think David Hogg, because that would be the most, yeah,

01:09:46.820 that would be like the most gay, gay, and like as close as you can get, because if you

01:09:52.600 looked at David Hogg, some of his stuff lately has-

01:09:54.760 If you look at David Hogg?

01:09:56.400 Yeah, if you look at David Hogg lately, he's over 18 now, I can say that.

01:10:01.580 I can't make fun of him.

01:10:04.220 I mean, we should be building a case to find out who is in his basement, that's what I think.

01:10:09.620 What if it's all three, and they actually all agree on shit?

01:10:13.580 Did he ever have his expose that he was touting for so long?

01:10:19.140 Okay, that's what I thought.

01:10:20.780 It's never happened.

01:10:21.480 It's never going to happen.

01:10:22.880 Because it's just like, what are they going to get Dave Smith on?

01:10:27.360 Like, having a kid?

01:10:31.220 Dude, I also had children.

01:10:33.800 I just support traditional values.

01:10:35.200 I just can't even envision Archie, I can't envision him doing anything of the sort, really.

01:10:41.720 Like, I don't think he has anybody in his basement.

01:10:43.480 I think we all know that he is most likely a virgin, because, I mean, of course, if he

01:10:48.000 was not a virgin, if he had ever had sex, then his last name wouldn't be Flower anymore.

01:10:52.180 He'd have been D-Flower.

01:10:53.100 D-Flower?

01:10:53.860 Archie D-Flower?

01:10:56.600 Oh, by the way, Nick Ashley actually gave us a super chat.

01:11:01.480 We can ignore it that way.

01:11:04.300 He got super pissed in there.

01:11:06.720 He keeps saying, read my super chat.

01:11:09.520 He's not actually pissed.

01:11:11.020 We'll just put it up there and don't read it.

01:11:12.980 Just, thank you, Nick.

01:11:14.740 I don't know who you are, but it seems like you would be fun to be on a podcast with, Nick.

01:11:19.620 But, uh...

01:11:20.480 But...

01:11:21.480 Nicker sleeves.

01:11:24.760 Yeah.

01:11:26.960 That, real shit, though, one of my favorite people on the fucking planet, dude.

01:11:31.480 Oh, hell yeah, dude.

01:11:32.820 Spent all of Yao Revolution with that dude.

01:11:37.240 One of the best weekends of my life.

01:11:39.140 Oh, yeah.

01:11:39.960 You're the one that he was talking about on our show.

01:11:42.040 He was like, he would be chilling with you, and you'd be talking about some Hoppian idea,

01:11:46.280 and he would leave for like an hour, and then come back, and you're still talking about

01:11:50.780 some...

01:11:51.540 Nick said he couldn't take the amount of autism.

01:11:54.440 I don't know if it was your autism.

01:11:55.660 I'm not even autistic.

01:11:56.760 It's just, whenever I talk theory, apparently, like, I can track it somehow.

01:12:01.620 It's like some sort of virus that, like, whenever we start talking about, like, books and theory,

01:12:07.020 I'm just like, and I'm just like, like, automatically all the social, like...

01:12:11.960 All right.

01:12:12.440 I know you have the theory.

01:12:14.600 So, and I asked, I said this in our group chat one day.

01:12:18.540 It was like a couple weeks ago.

01:12:19.740 But I was just like, I don't know what time preference means, and by now, I'm too afraid

01:12:24.920 to ask.

01:12:25.980 So, can you explain low...

01:12:28.240 I was being 100% serious.

01:12:29.940 I could not, because to me, if I think high time preference means, like, I care about time

01:12:34.600 so much, it means that that would be a good thing.

01:12:38.140 No, no, no.

01:12:38.760 I prefer time.

01:12:39.480 It's the reverse.

01:12:40.820 See, that's what didn't make sense to me.

01:12:42.580 So, my autistic brain couldn't handle that.

01:12:45.120 And you're thinking of time horizon.

01:12:47.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:48.780 Time preference is literally the, your willingness to delay gratification.

01:12:55.200 So, it's essentially an economic argument.

01:12:57.780 Like, if you read Jeffrey Herbner's book, The Pure Time Preference Theory of Interest, it's

01:13:03.540 literally just about, are you willing to take a loan now when you're going to pay back more

01:13:09.580 later?

01:13:10.260 And that's literally just the theory of interest.

01:13:12.320 Bob Boverk talks about it a lot, too.

01:13:14.520 But it's literally just...

01:13:15.480 Did a Jew write it?

01:13:16.780 Bob Boverk was not Jewish.

01:13:18.180 He was Austrian or German.

01:13:20.180 Nick, help me out, please.

01:13:22.480 I forget.

01:13:23.780 He was an Austrian economist.

01:13:24.640 No, Nick, I don't.

01:13:25.700 I literally could not.

01:13:26.940 No, it didn't make...

01:13:27.940 It didn't make sense to me.

01:13:30.180 Just...

01:13:30.540 Like, just...

01:13:31.600 Delaying gratification.

01:13:33.100 A high time preference person wants gratification now, even if the gain is less...

01:13:39.460 What's up, Jose?

01:13:40.100 Dan, what's up, motherfuckers?

01:13:43.520 Where the fuck are you at?

01:13:45.080 Yo!

01:13:45.920 In my kitchen area.

01:13:47.340 So this isn't, like, high production quality here.

01:13:50.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:13:51.080 This is very high time preference behavior.

01:13:53.600 Yeah, it is.

01:13:54.700 Fuck.

01:13:55.300 Drinking beer is high time preference behavior because you know that it will give you no

01:13:58.700 benefit later on, but it will give you a benefit now.

01:14:02.000 I'm going to send Nick the link.

01:14:03.780 Why not?

01:14:04.060 Well, and there was a thing that basically, like, too many libertarians are too low time

01:14:09.640 preference, where they just, like, they're living in...

01:14:12.780 Oh, I saw that.

01:14:13.560 Yeah.

01:14:14.220 I can't remember.

01:14:14.520 It was just...

01:14:15.200 No, I saw that, and I agreed with it.

01:14:17.340 It was just, like, they aren't willing to do anything because they believe that libertarianism

01:14:21.860 is inevitable.

01:14:23.420 And they won't use any means necessary.

01:14:26.040 They think that they are going to somehow live in libertarian land and Kapistan, whatever

01:14:31.640 you want to call it.

01:14:32.520 And Kapistan in their head.

01:14:33.620 They sit there and talk about it on Twitter.

01:14:36.300 And, like, they...

01:14:38.000 Like, there's a...

01:14:39.340 Like, people talk about how, you know, Hoppians talk about time preference all the time, and

01:14:42.980 that's true.

01:14:43.560 It's really annoying, actually, at times.

01:14:45.680 But it's because, like, they literally don't fucking...

01:14:49.300 Like, they don't want gratification ever because they think that it's, like, a good thing

01:14:52.540 because Hoppia talked about it all the time, how, like, belaying gratification was a good

01:14:55.480 thing.

01:14:55.960 You've got to be gratified sometimes.

01:14:58.020 It would be so funny if fucking...

01:15:00.220 If Hoppia was just...

01:15:01.200 Like, what are you, a fucking Buddhist monk?

01:15:03.920 No, no.

01:15:04.540 I just think it'd be funny if just...

01:15:05.780 If Hoppia was just edging the whole time, and that's what he was talking about.

01:15:08.700 He's like, guys, did you just really need to edge?

01:15:10.360 But there was the language barrier.

01:15:12.440 The language barrier was wrong, and they were just like, oh, this guy just means edging.

01:15:16.780 Like, he's just like...

01:15:18.420 Guys, stop cumming after three strokes.

01:15:21.000 Like, let it...

01:15:22.880 The highest time preference just went his whole life, never nutted, which is always edging.

01:15:29.000 That would be the lowest time preference possible.

01:15:32.960 High, low.

01:15:33.560 I always mix them up.

01:15:35.320 See?

01:15:35.860 See?

01:15:36.240 That's what I'm saying.

01:15:37.060 It didn't make...

01:15:37.540 Because to me, like, time preference means I care more about the time.

01:15:42.360 If I have, like, a high time preference, I care more about the time.

01:15:45.500 And low time preference, maybe it's just the thing of where, like, high and low...

01:15:49.520 Oh, fuck.

01:15:50.140 He's back.

01:15:50.680 Hey!

01:15:51.960 Hey!

01:15:52.320 He's back!

01:15:53.560 Cargo center turns!

01:15:54.740 He's really on Nick return.

01:15:56.040 The king returns!

01:15:57.700 I'm fucking angry right now.

01:15:59.520 That whole...

01:16:01.080 Can y'all hear me all right?

01:16:02.320 Yeah.

01:16:02.960 Put that gain up just a little bit.

01:16:05.060 Yeah, there we go.

01:16:05.780 All right.

01:16:06.080 I have my things down.

01:16:07.660 I can...

01:16:08.260 Stop.

01:16:08.760 Don't come on camera.

01:16:09.400 I'm on camera.

01:16:10.520 We're live right now.

01:16:12.840 She's about to walk in with no...

01:16:14.340 She's about to walk in with no clothes on.

01:16:16.560 Do it!

01:16:17.120 No, you know.

01:16:17.560 Don't lie.

01:16:18.760 Get us banned.

01:16:19.920 I am so fucking angry right now that Cole...

01:16:23.340 Cole!

01:16:24.220 I voted you the smartest person on this fucking show.

01:16:28.700 I told you you shouldn't know.

01:16:28.940 And you don't even know what time preference...

01:16:30.980 No, I did vote Toad.

01:16:31.980 You're right.

01:16:32.340 I did vote Toad.

01:16:33.080 Yeah.

01:16:33.420 You son of a bitch!

01:16:34.720 I did vote Toad.

01:16:35.940 Cole was number two for sure.

01:16:37.680 And I actually won.

01:16:38.640 I won that and best looking.

01:16:41.260 You should...

01:16:41.580 You should...

01:16:42.060 And I won most likely to be a Fed too, so...

01:16:45.000 I don't get that one at all.

01:16:47.640 I am irrationally angry that Cole does not know what time preference is.

01:16:52.180 Anybody else is gonna let that shit slide?

01:16:54.200 No, no, no.

01:16:54.880 Listen, I'll...

01:16:56.180 I tried to explain it.

01:16:57.000 Yeah, you explained it, but you're not like you should be.

01:16:59.340 By the way, thank you, Taylor.

01:17:00.600 I love you too, buddy.

01:17:01.480 You're one of the younger people on the planet also.

01:17:04.260 I'll explain this.

01:17:05.060 Okay, listen.

01:17:05.480 I'll explain this.

01:17:06.060 I understood, like, I got just colloquially what it meant.

01:17:09.780 Like, when someone said high time preference, I knew that meant bad.

01:17:12.740 I knew that meant, like, they...

01:17:15.040 That's not good enough!

01:17:16.640 Okay.

01:17:17.320 That doesn't even necessarily mean bad.

01:17:19.700 It doesn't mean bad.

01:17:20.720 But, like, on Twitter, anytime it says high time preference, they technically mean it as bad.

01:17:26.640 Yes.

01:17:28.320 And so, to me, I was just like, okay, high time preference is bad, low time preference good,

01:17:32.580 but my autistic brain could not understand because of definition of words.

01:17:37.280 Basically, okay.

01:17:38.060 Like, time preference means I prefer time.

01:17:40.940 So, if I have a higher time preference, I prefer the time.

01:17:44.820 I have no fucking idea where you got that from.

01:17:47.580 I am so fucking angry right now.

01:17:49.260 That's just because, like I said, that's just my brain.

01:17:50.860 I am, like, I'm literally shaking.

01:17:53.360 I'm shaking and crying.

01:17:55.820 If y'all look up to us as some sort of bastions of, like, intelligence, this is us telling you right now, stop.

01:18:02.460 Okay, listen.

01:18:03.540 Listen, just because I don't know the theory and definition...

01:18:06.820 It's not a theory and you don't read.

01:18:10.420 It's not a theory.

01:18:11.780 It's just a simple concept.

01:18:13.780 A time preference theory of interest is a theory.

01:18:16.320 Yeah, sure, but he doesn't even know what time preference is.

01:18:19.660 Okay.

01:18:20.080 Because if I was going to...

01:18:21.800 Like, if you're putting two words together, like, time preference, what you prefer...

01:18:25.960 It's called a phrase!

01:18:27.440 You don't have to say putting two words together.

01:18:29.640 If we're just, like, willy-nilly throwing around definition of phrases...

01:18:33.720 As simply as possible, higher time preference means that you want...

01:18:37.780 I get what it means.

01:18:39.820 You want some of some...

01:18:41.180 The lower your time preference, the more you are willing to wait for something.

01:18:44.360 I get what it means.

01:18:45.300 You want some of some good now if you have high time preference, whereas if you have lower time preference, you will delay that gratification and take more of that thing later instead.

01:18:56.500 The lower your time preference, the more you are willing to wait for whatever you are...

01:19:01.020 I get what it means.

01:19:02.060 Because my autistic brain cannot reconcile it with the definition of the words.

01:19:06.940 That's my problem.

01:19:08.620 The best explanation of this, in my opinion, is actually the first chapter of Democracy to God that failed.

01:19:14.640 Dude, I'm so mad.

01:19:16.020 I'm literally so fucking mad right now.

01:19:17.940 Cole, I'm, like, a few hours away from Cole.

01:19:20.620 I would drive to his house and smack the fuck out of this motherfucker because of this.

01:19:25.840 I don't know.

01:19:26.580 That's high time preference, babe.

01:19:28.480 No, I'll do it, like, next week.

01:19:30.340 That's low time preference.

01:19:31.220 Oh, my God.

01:19:33.600 Jesus Christ.

01:19:34.600 Oh, my God.

01:19:35.260 Dude, yes.

01:19:35.820 Thank you.

01:19:36.600 Elizabeth, don't...

01:19:37.940 Don't suck that dick until you read some books.

01:19:41.340 Just cross your legs.

01:19:42.840 Oh, no.

01:19:43.780 I don't...

01:19:44.320 Don't take away the thing I'm not getting.

01:19:47.700 Oh, shit.

01:19:48.600 You just got yourself in trouble, dog.

01:19:49.880 Oh, I don't think she's watching right now.

01:19:53.100 I think she's asleep, so...

01:19:54.480 You better hope so.

01:19:55.480 She'll fucking come get your ass.

01:19:58.620 Yeah, motherfucker.

01:20:00.180 Wait a minute.

01:20:01.040 You don't know what time preference is?

01:20:02.460 We're done here.

01:20:03.260 He was talking shit about not getting pussy.

01:20:07.200 I've been married long enough to know this dude's in the doghouse right now.

01:20:11.080 No, I didn't say pussy.

01:20:12.780 I said blowjobs.

01:20:14.740 What married man gets blowjobs?

01:20:17.980 Okay, baby.

01:20:18.640 I'm okay.

01:20:19.100 I guess I'm in the...

01:20:20.580 I get pussy way more than blowjobs.

01:20:24.920 That's just the mouth pussy, all right?

01:20:27.160 Dude, you better hope your wife don't watch this over later.

01:20:29.760 You're digging a hole really deep.

01:20:33.560 Hey, you know what, Justin?

01:20:34.960 Are you out there?

01:20:35.740 You might want to edit this just for the homie.

01:20:40.000 I think Elizabeth's not in the chat, so I don't know.

01:20:42.400 We do have this one super chat here from Bonghorn Leghorn.

01:20:47.200 Late with this, but if Hogg is in Archie's basement, who's Hudak Hyde?

01:20:52.620 Who would Hudak Hyde?

01:20:54.200 All right, Bonghorn Leghorn is fucking hysterical, by the way.

01:20:59.760 I didn't even know what you said because, like, I don't think about myself fucking funny

01:21:06.600 Bonghorn Leghorn was.

01:21:08.300 Joni, I'm not screwed because I'm not going to get screwed out of this.

01:21:11.820 Yeah, it's the opposite of screwed.

01:21:13.720 But, yeah.

01:21:14.880 In a colloquial sense.

01:21:16.700 Well, Elizabeth is usually in the chat, and she's not right now.

01:21:19.560 Nagging your problem for Beejah's never works.

01:21:21.960 Also, Nick is showing real low time preference here because, apparently, his wife is totally

01:21:28.760 naked right now, and he's on a podcast talking to, like, four dudes.

01:21:32.580 I was joking.

01:21:33.480 She actually...

01:21:33.800 Oh, damn it.

01:21:34.700 I was joking.

01:21:38.040 She had pajamas on, which wouldn't have been as appropriate to be on camera.

01:21:43.080 Dickie's going to clip that.

01:21:44.000 Those are mine.

01:21:45.040 Those are not for you.

01:21:46.300 Okay, so I'll give this story.

01:21:48.240 So we were in here...

01:21:49.780 I guess it was last week, Toad.

01:21:51.620 Wasn't it beforehand?

01:21:53.000 I think it was me, you, and...

01:21:55.100 Put your phone down, faggot.

01:21:56.720 Who did we have on last week, Toad?

01:21:59.320 I totally forgot.

01:21:59.660 You were interesting.

01:22:00.640 I'm just kidding.

01:22:02.360 We had the Libertarian Friendship Simulator, guys.

01:22:05.340 The episode that didn't happen.

01:22:06.960 No, the one before that then.

01:22:08.200 Because it was just the three of us.

01:22:10.120 And then my wife was in here.

01:22:11.420 Yeah, it was Josh Denny.

01:22:12.720 And Elizabeth was in here in her pajamas.

01:22:14.700 And she would not come on camera.

01:22:16.120 And I was like, I think it's fine.

01:22:18.000 But I'm just glad Nick...

01:22:19.180 Who got you guys banned from YouTube?

01:22:21.600 Was it Derek?

01:22:22.300 Derek.

01:22:22.780 It's got to be Derek.

01:22:23.840 How many inwards was that?

01:22:25.780 Dude, how many inwards was that?

01:22:28.380 Oh, it was...

01:22:29.340 I mean...

01:22:30.380 It was...

01:22:31.140 I had two minutes to count.

01:22:32.780 Dude, I'll tell you right now.

01:22:34.120 I tried to watch that episode live.

01:22:36.340 But then when I tuned in, that Flintlock guy was talking about other people.

01:22:41.160 Y'all were talking about like other people fucking his wife.

01:22:43.440 And I was like, all right, let peace.

01:22:45.920 Well, it was so weird.

01:22:47.500 Don't get into it now.

01:22:48.780 I'm just telling you why I didn't watch the fucking...

01:22:50.340 I was literally...

01:22:51.060 I was just on that.

01:22:52.020 I was just on that podcast right before you guys had them on.

01:22:56.000 So yeah, I figured as soon as I saw that those guys were going on yours, I figured

01:23:00.860 they'd take some liberties.

01:23:02.580 And I...

01:23:03.440 No, I was just like...

01:23:05.300 I was like, yeah, that's fucked.

01:23:07.120 I was like, that's fucked.

01:23:08.880 That's stupid to start.

01:23:09.920 Dude, the only place you can find it right now...

01:23:11.840 We knew there might be some issues with that one.

01:23:15.020 Oh, yeah.

01:23:15.780 Like we...

01:23:16.220 And we...

01:23:16.580 You know, we've been...

01:23:17.880 Well, we're like in 30 episodes in.

01:23:19.600 That was the first one to get taken down from YouTube.

01:23:21.880 And we didn't think it was because he literally shouted the N-word.

01:23:25.600 Like immediately the first second of the podcast.

01:23:29.000 Yeah.

01:23:29.180 And then if you listen to their most recent podcast, they actually talk about coming on

01:23:34.020 our show and they said their plan was to get ours taken down.

01:23:38.620 Oh, yeah.

01:23:38.960 And that was just like...

01:23:40.180 They're being here, motherfuckers.

01:23:41.760 I was like, you son of a bitch.

01:23:43.520 Yeah, dude.

01:23:44.040 I like those guys a lot.

01:23:45.040 But yeah, they will...

01:23:45.920 They love bits.

01:23:48.140 Like they...

01:23:48.600 Yes.

01:23:49.340 They do things that are like in their fucking thing.

01:23:53.060 So yeah.

01:23:53.880 Hey, Jared's in here.

01:23:55.840 Hey, Jared.

01:23:56.700 What's up, Jared?

01:23:57.340 Oh, Jared is.

01:23:58.160 Nice.

01:23:58.480 So not only did they...

01:24:01.520 So I was like, we have to like wait like five minutes at least.

01:24:04.020 Obviously, they were just not going to do that.

01:24:05.880 They're dropping N-bombs like in the first minute.

01:24:07.880 So I'm like, all right, whatever.

01:24:08.860 So I'm like, fuck it.

01:24:09.800 This episode's gone.

01:24:10.760 I joined in and said some more.

01:24:12.100 And then like Davey probably two or two and a half minutes in is talking about that like

01:24:16.280 journo that was killed in Afghanistan.

01:24:19.080 And it's like, I'm like, we're fucked, man.

01:24:20.880 No, it's over.

01:24:21.900 It's over.

01:24:22.480 We had every third rail in that episode.

01:24:24.400 By the way, I'm going on their show.

01:24:28.980 I'm going on their show this Wednesday.

01:24:30.620 So it's going to be...

01:24:31.280 I'm going to definitely give them a shit.

01:24:32.780 And the whole time afterwards, I think it was Derek was like, man, I was really wanting

01:24:37.920 to make fun of Jose for his man-child fucking room with comic books and shit.

01:24:44.460 As if I would give a shit.

01:24:46.120 Yeah.

01:24:46.620 That's the thing I was like...

01:24:47.840 Dude, get there.

01:24:48.380 He's like, you're a fuck.

01:24:49.780 And why don't they want me on it with you?

01:24:51.280 What the fuck?

01:24:51.800 They never said they didn't want you on it.

01:24:54.620 They just asked me on.

01:24:56.120 That's it, Toad.

01:24:57.160 They don't have to want you on it.

01:24:59.260 It should be known.

01:25:00.600 Lib Friendson was the first podcast I've ever done where I was dead sober the entire time.

01:25:08.080 I remember my...

01:25:08.660 Why would you do that one dead sober?

01:25:10.800 I don't know.

01:25:11.700 I don't know.

01:25:12.560 I literally don't know.

01:25:13.600 And I told them that and they were literally just like, we're actually kind of insulted.

01:25:18.340 And I was like, you know what?

01:25:19.500 I would be too.

01:25:20.600 I didn't go out and get some beers for mine.

01:25:23.800 You're going to be on their Wednesday.

01:25:24.560 I didn't get like actually smashed.

01:25:25.540 Oh, dude.

01:25:26.060 Definitely.

01:25:26.680 Yeah, definitely.

01:25:27.180 They're going to hit you.

01:25:28.400 Y'all talked about this earlier.

01:25:29.920 But whenever we were at YAL, Taylor was the motherfucker.

01:25:33.320 Y'all talked about it before where I would...

01:25:35.160 Me and another friend of mine would just go away because we were sick of the autism.

01:25:39.140 It was not Taylor.

01:25:40.600 Somebody said that it was Taylor's autism.

01:25:42.760 No.

01:25:43.260 Taylor's not the one that was autistic.

01:25:44.680 I don't know how that was implied in any way.

01:25:47.100 Oh, I thought it was.

01:25:47.800 It was the other people who were autistic.

01:25:50.320 And Taylor was like holding down the fort like a fucking G.

01:25:54.160 Oh, like a...

01:25:55.320 He was hammered the entire time.

01:25:58.740 And I'm not exaggerating when I say hammered the entire time.

01:26:01.140 I'm talking about nine o'clock in the morning coming down from his room with the beer in his hand.

01:26:05.080 Like, dude, I'm fucking hammered right now.

01:26:06.360 And then whenever we were in our group of people and I was, like, walking away with our other friend of ours who we just could not handle the other people who were talking about politics and theory, Taylor would be talking about, let's say, time preference theory.

01:26:20.720 And then we would walk away and come back after an hour and he'd be talking about argumentation ethics.

01:26:24.840 So that motherfucker hammered, hammered as all get out, just talking about the most intricate Hoppian shit that you could imagine.

01:26:32.100 And also, like, we're not talking about talking to people who agree with it already.

01:26:36.640 We're talking about Randians and, like, other people who probably read Reason Magazine who aren't really receptive to Hoppian ideas.

01:26:44.360 And he's that charismatic and fucking good at explaining this shit, hammered drunk, that he was entitled to Hoppian.

01:26:51.720 Can you get this guy's dick out of your mouth?

01:26:54.140 No, dude, it's not.

01:26:55.320 Get your dick out of this guy's mouth?

01:26:56.780 Just like, Jesus Christ.

01:26:58.180 You've seen each other every day.

01:27:01.220 Toad says no one can do it like he can do it.

01:27:03.840 Nobody can do it like Taylor can do it.

01:27:05.880 That's what it is.

01:27:07.020 That needs to be in fucking Taylor's, I don't know if it's a slogan or bio that Toad has, that fucking weird shit that you say, people can't do it like I do.

01:27:13.820 We can, but we just don't do it.

01:27:15.620 That was a new one.

01:27:17.540 Taylor, nobody can do it like Taylor.

01:27:19.460 Not even fucking exaggerating.

01:27:20.460 Nick, I want to get your thoughts on this.

01:27:22.280 So you leave the show.

01:27:24.380 Sorry, this is good.

01:27:25.340 Look, I leave the show.

01:27:27.440 Oh, God damn it, Nick.

01:27:31.340 This is so good, though.

01:27:33.100 Schlaghammer.

01:27:34.340 Archie's delaying sexual gratification.

01:27:36.780 He's a true libertarian.

01:27:37.820 He's the ultimate Hoppian.

01:27:39.820 He's the lowest of time preferences.

01:27:41.240 That's true.

01:27:42.220 I've been all wrong about this guy.

01:27:44.720 I've been all wrong.

01:27:45.200 He has the lowest eye preference out of anyone, man.

01:27:47.980 God damn you, Nick.

01:27:48.980 I was going to ask you how he felt about, like, he left the show, and then we get invited on Timcast a week later.

01:27:58.180 Oh, he's back.

01:28:00.580 Now you're talking shit.

01:28:02.060 He's good.

01:28:02.440 Oh, yeah, okay.

01:28:04.200 You did the, it was the old Nick, actually.

01:28:05.980 It was, it was the, uh, the tried and true, uh, joke that Nick does of dropping out whenever he thinks.

01:28:12.460 Being a black person?

01:28:13.600 What?

01:28:13.900 Yes.

01:28:15.720 So you, you, you leave the show, and then a week later, we get invited onto Timcast.

01:28:21.040 How does that make you feel?

01:28:22.060 You gotta bring him back.

01:28:22.540 One time contracted.

01:28:23.840 Don't really care.

01:28:25.100 You don't really care?

01:28:25.780 Dude, I'm not going to lie to you.

01:28:27.660 My fucking mental health has never been better, like, and since I've been on Twitter.

01:28:31.640 I'm not joking.

01:28:34.000 I am, I am, I am at peace.

01:28:36.320 I don't care.

01:28:36.760 Y'all go do Timcast.

01:28:37.880 Y'all do go fucking Joe Rogan.

01:28:39.600 Like, I don't, I literally don't care.

01:28:41.680 I'm happy for y'all.

01:28:42.820 I love y'all.

01:28:43.680 Do what you gotta do.

01:28:44.480 But I am, I am tired of the attention.

01:28:47.820 You chilling on Twitter for now?

01:28:49.120 Is that your, like, thing?

01:28:49.820 I, I get that.

01:28:50.480 No, look.

01:28:51.360 I never thought I'd hear Nick say he was tired of attention.

01:28:54.820 Shut the fuck up.

01:28:56.560 Okay, listen, right here.

01:28:58.180 You are the most Twitter horde of Twitter hordes on this show.

01:29:02.400 More than all of us combined, so don't you fucking say nothing.

01:29:05.000 No, no, no.

01:29:05.640 I'm not, I don't disagree.

01:29:07.180 I'm just saying, like, you were, like, the nightgeist of Liberty Twitter for, like, two months.

01:29:11.540 No, look.

01:29:12.300 Like, you would say something and it would empty throughout.

01:29:14.200 You were known as King Nick.

01:29:16.400 People put in the chat any time you got on the show.

01:29:19.640 You had, like, two well-placed nukes is what it was.

01:29:22.260 There was, like, two big ones.

01:29:23.340 If I could go back, I would never have said the fucking phrase.

01:29:27.860 I would never have uttered, white women must be stopped.

01:29:31.040 And I would not.

01:29:31.920 Are you tired of the joke?

01:29:32.820 Dude, I would not have gone on that fucking fake or tarrion show.

01:29:37.280 I would, if I could change two things that I've done over the past, you know, six months or however long it's been, I would not have done either of those things.

01:29:44.040 I don't know, man.

01:29:44.760 That was a fun Saturday.

01:29:45.900 Those were awesome, man.

01:29:46.940 It was fun.

01:29:47.720 You're right.

01:29:48.240 But the thing about it is, y'all motherfuckers, and not y'all, like, you guys specifically, but the audience and everybody who's going to see this do not know how to let a joke go to rest.

01:29:59.320 You Twitter libertarians beat jokes into the ground worse than any demographic of people.

01:30:05.900 Oh, tizzle.

01:30:06.040 Tizzle.

01:30:07.100 Dude.

01:30:07.460 I don't feel free of it.

01:30:09.580 It's the only thing that we can beat because we don't have girlfriends, all right?

01:30:15.540 All these people.

01:30:17.140 That's not true.

01:30:18.400 It is wild, though, once you have a stick.

01:30:20.280 But go on, Nick.

01:30:21.020 It's not true.

01:30:21.660 We beat our meat all the time.

01:30:23.320 No, that's true.

01:30:24.120 You're right, though, dude.

01:30:25.180 I told you that in the Hopping group chat the other day, dude.

01:30:28.180 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:30:29.920 And look, now, like, I am so tired of being tagged in mediocre white women jokes when the reality is the fucking thing was taken out of context so badly.

01:30:45.020 I was in the middle of, like, an anti-progressive diatribe, and I threw that in for effect.

01:30:50.820 And everybody just gloms on to that white women must be stopped thing, okay?

01:30:55.240 It was about progressivism and, like, the Wilsonian doctrine.

01:30:59.060 It wasn't about specifically white women.

01:31:01.400 It was just –

01:31:01.920 Nick, you need to –

01:31:02.700 You got to embrace it, man.

01:31:04.440 No, I'm not embracing anything.

01:31:05.320 No, it's just because even libertarians like to attach themselves onto politically – or socially convenient shit, like anti-white shit, dude.

01:31:14.820 Now my Hoppian shit comes out.

01:31:16.660 Here we go.

01:31:18.020 You're right, though.

01:31:18.880 You're actually – you're correct.

01:31:20.280 Yeah, it's just like people like to attach themselves onto, like, anti-white stuff because it's popular.

01:31:24.460 I mean, it's just like –

01:31:25.460 We're just racist and misogynist, whatever.

01:31:27.620 Yeah, but that's – yeah, that's sick.

01:31:29.860 But I'll just –

01:31:30.860 I love that response.

01:31:35.460 That's dope.

01:31:35.840 No, but Nick, I think you're right.

01:31:37.240 Like, so many libertarians have nothing going on in their lives at all.

01:31:41.220 So many of them don't have jobs.

01:31:42.720 So many of them have nothing but Twitter.

01:31:45.380 And so, like, your –

01:31:46.340 You said that, not me.

01:31:47.500 Well, no, but I think it's –

01:31:49.560 I'll say that.

01:31:50.620 I'll say it, too.

01:31:51.900 No, no, no, no, no.

01:31:52.880 You're really not going to have jobs now.

01:31:54.040 I can sign it.

01:31:55.220 Your appearance on the libertarians is literally the most exciting thing in their life that has happened all year, so they can't let it go.

01:32:00.380 Look, I don't –

01:32:01.100 And I don't mean that as, like, an attack on people who appreciate the stuff that I or we do.

01:32:05.840 But the point is, like, I am not – I am so tired of just having –

01:32:10.220 The point is get a job.

01:32:11.920 No, the point is leave me the fuck alone, please.

01:32:15.240 Right.

01:32:15.720 Don't tag me on Twitter.

01:32:16.980 I hate being tagged.

01:32:17.920 That's my number one thing.

01:32:18.780 And now that I've said that, it's probably going to be happening more often.

01:32:21.640 Yeah, well, I did that the other day to you.

01:32:24.080 I tagged you in something, but it made –

01:32:26.580 But what I tagged you in made sense.

01:32:28.560 I was like, I didn't hate being tagged, but –

01:32:31.140 No, motherfuckers are just punishers, man.

01:32:34.040 Like, whenever they see somebody that, like, has some sort of, like, influence, no matter how small, no matter how big,

01:32:41.420 they'll try and just, like, continually, like, acknowledge their existence, hoping that they will acknowledge theirs.

01:32:51.820 Yes.

01:32:51.920 And, like, it's – and that is truly the definition of being a punisher.

01:32:57.540 And, like, I try and tell motherfuckers this all, like, in person mostly, not on the internet because I'm not mean on Twitter.

01:33:04.320 But it's just, like –

01:33:05.480 It's just, like –

01:33:06.320 I know.

01:33:07.640 But it's just, like, dude, like, if that person is going to be cool with you, they're going to be cool with you.

01:33:13.360 Yes.

01:33:14.000 Like, just chill.

01:33:14.520 Yes.

01:33:15.040 You cannot force that shit.

01:33:16.800 Just chill.

01:33:17.280 So, that being said, if you want to retweet, just tag Jose into something, and Jose will retweet it for you.

01:33:25.080 Yes.

01:33:25.740 This is another, like, problem I've noticed on – in Libertarian Twitter is you don't have to make a fucking, like, highlight out of hanging out with somebody or being their buddy.

01:33:39.340 Just be their friend.

01:33:41.020 You don't have to post on the timeline that you're hanging out with somebody.

01:33:45.380 Okay?

01:33:45.820 Well, just be your fucking –

01:33:47.180 Wait, just call me out.

01:33:48.380 Jesus Christ.

01:33:49.140 No, I'm not talking about you.

01:33:50.540 I'm not talking about you.

01:33:50.700 I'm not talking about you.

01:33:52.040 I'm going to be hung out with Nick and posted.

01:33:54.380 Dude!

01:33:55.200 No.

01:33:56.240 What I'm saying is I would rather everybody that's, like, wants to hang out with me or be my friend or take a picture with me, I would rather anybody just do that and not make a thing out of it because I'm just – any of us –

01:34:10.000 Who the fuck are we?

01:34:11.420 You know what I mean?

01:34:12.320 So just – the point is it's kind of tacking on to what Taylor was just saying.

01:34:17.100 The point is just fucking chill.

01:34:19.160 Like, it's okay.

01:34:20.100 Like, just relax.

01:34:21.200 Just be my friend.

01:34:21.880 If you want to talk to me, talk to me.

01:34:23.240 That's fine.

01:34:23.980 And I'm not saying, like, me specifically.

01:34:25.780 I know this happens to other people too.

01:34:27.640 So just, like, fucking relax.

01:34:29.280 Well, yeah.

01:34:29.660 It's just, like, guys with, like, you know, real Dave Smith, not Fat Dave.

01:34:34.240 It's just, like, you can tell that, like, whenever – like, I've witnessed it in person whenever he was speaking at the Pittsburgh, like, me just talking shit.

01:34:42.020 Like –

01:34:42.460 Thank you, Jared.

01:34:43.300 You can tell –

01:34:43.780 Be a normal human being.

01:34:44.860 Yeah.

01:34:45.380 I mean, Jared says it.

01:34:47.100 You know the best.

01:34:47.880 Just be a normal guy.

01:34:48.940 I try and say it all the time.

01:34:50.780 And, you know, with politics, it, like, attracts people who aren't normal.

01:34:54.640 And that's fine.

01:34:55.500 And especially with, like, the age of the internet where, like, people attach themselves to things that maybe they don't really belong in but just trying to get some sort of, like, social status out of it.

01:35:07.100 But, like, yeah, you see guys that are, like, you know, just, like, moderate, like, libertarian, like, celebrities or, like, political celebrities.

01:35:14.920 And guys will just, like, literally climb over each other to, like, take a picture with the guy.

01:35:20.540 And I'm just, like, dude, like – and I had a no-picture rule for a long time with people in music, with people in politics because I think that taking pictures with people that are, like, status people is punishing.

01:35:35.620 But, like, Natalie from, you know, the Mises Institute was, like – like, I remember I was talking to Jeff at that thing and she was, like, yeah, take a picture with him.

01:35:43.600 And I was, like, I'm breaking my no-picture rule.

01:35:45.860 She was, like, just break the fucking rule.

01:35:47.580 And I was, like, okay, I'll break it.

01:35:49.260 And it's still, like –

01:35:50.740 It was, like –

01:35:51.440 Yeah, she has huge tips.

01:35:52.680 But it was, like –

01:35:53.220 No, I mean –

01:35:54.340 But it's just –

01:35:59.460 Jeff Dice is one of those guys you got to take a picture with.

01:36:06.240 Yeah, that was the guy.

01:36:08.020 But I sat by – I sat by David Scott the whole time.

01:36:11.380 Didn't ask him to take a picture.

01:36:12.820 Didn't fucking – wasn't being weird.

01:36:14.600 I was just chilling, drinking 98 beers that I brought into the event, not from the bar.

01:36:20.920 Like, in a cooler in my car was just carrying beers into the fucking event.

01:36:26.760 But it was just, like, yeah, just, like, be normal and dudes will be fucking cool to you.

01:36:30.860 And that's, like, what a lot of these guys –

01:36:32.080 Yeah, that's true.

01:36:32.800 Because the other people you're fucking worried about are normal folks, too.

01:36:36.180 Just fucking chill.

01:36:37.240 Oh, guys.

01:36:38.360 Dude, it is weird when you meet these people that you kind of have, like, looked up to in person, though.

01:36:43.020 Because it is – you do realize they're just normal people.

01:36:45.040 And you realize, like, oh, I'm sure this shit's annoying as fuck for them.

01:36:48.100 But it's, like, yeah, it's just be normal.

01:36:50.020 Like, I met Scott Horn.

01:36:50.820 I actually regret I didn't get a picture.

01:36:52.940 And I was, like, dude's chill as fuck.

01:36:54.200 Like, I met him and he's, like, yo, you want to smoke this?

01:36:56.700 I was, like, maybe.

01:36:59.480 Like, it was chill as fuck.

01:37:00.780 Like, these people are just normal people.

01:37:02.120 We have these – I have them up on these fucking – these high pedestals.

01:37:05.500 Like, they're amazing.

01:37:06.140 And they are.

01:37:06.700 But they're also people.

01:37:08.540 So, like, just chill the fuck out.

01:37:10.320 Right.

01:37:10.500 So, I'm going to take a picture with them and hang out with them.

01:37:13.080 Yeah.

01:37:13.380 I know.

01:37:13.760 It's because you do regret later.

01:37:15.080 You're, like, in a picture.

01:37:15.880 But it's also, like, yo, just chill out.

01:37:18.220 They're people.

01:37:19.480 Like, interact with them like a person.

01:37:21.220 So, I do get how it can be started.

01:37:22.700 I haven't quite got there.

01:37:23.760 Sounds like Nick's suffering from success.

01:37:25.480 But also –

01:37:26.060 But also, like –

01:37:27.280 Why no picture rule came from, like, being, like, a punk kid.

01:37:35.160 Like, that literally –

01:37:36.480 Like, just me, like, growing up in punk.

01:37:37.840 Like, it was just, like, nobody was cool.

01:37:40.020 Even the people that were cool.

01:37:41.740 You know what I mean?

01:37:42.180 Like, it was just, like, yeah, we all suck.

01:37:44.700 So, like, taking pictures with people is fucking corny.

01:37:47.140 But then, like, whenever –

01:37:48.220 Whenever, like, you see people that are, like, genuine, like, heroes of yours.

01:37:51.780 Especially, like, even in, like, the political game.

01:37:54.280 Like, it's just, like, it's cool to take a picture with them.

01:37:56.500 Just don't be fucking weird about it.

01:37:58.000 Just don't be weird about it.

01:37:59.200 Just don't be weird about it.

01:38:00.540 If I go to Tom –

01:38:01.400 When I go to Tom with Stelzen, if I get someone who wants to take a picture with me,

01:38:04.020 which I doubt will ever happen.

01:38:06.800 Oh, it will.

01:38:07.480 It will.

01:38:08.000 It absolutely will.

01:38:09.120 It's really fucking weird.

01:38:10.520 Yeah.

01:38:10.820 And take a picture with Tom.

01:38:13.200 Take a picture with anybody.

01:38:14.880 Just don't be fucking weird.

01:38:15.620 Dude, I got a picture.

01:38:16.340 Tom wanted to take a picture with me at Porkfest because I told him I was Tom Weeds.

01:38:20.100 But I wanted to get a picture with him anyway.

01:38:22.360 Like, I don't know.

01:38:23.360 It's like –

01:38:23.640 It's a thing.

01:38:24.320 It just kind of happens organically.

01:38:25.920 I don't know.

01:38:26.040 I'll probably be wearing my Fat Dave t-shirt, and I'll be there.

01:38:30.080 And, like, I'll talk to anybody.

01:38:31.200 Like, I'm so fucking outgoing when I'm with people.

01:38:33.580 So, like, I'll talk to anybody.

01:38:35.760 I'm a little different, though.

01:38:37.020 Like, if someone did want to – or when people are – I'm different than Nick.

01:38:41.400 If I had a joke that was ongoing and people were tagging me in it,

01:38:45.340 I'd be like, okay, that's pretty cool.

01:38:47.340 Yeah, so not.

01:38:48.560 Yeah, like, I would be like – this isn't against Nick.

01:38:52.040 It's Nick's –

01:38:52.760 No, I know.

01:38:53.820 But then I'm also –

01:38:54.260 I'm just saying – I'm just different like that.

01:38:56.160 Like, I would be like –

01:38:57.180 Yeah, dude, I'm not a fan.

01:38:57.940 Because most of it is not funny.

01:38:59.340 I get tagged all the fucking time.

01:39:01.860 Anytime, like, there is either a fat person, and they'll be like,

01:39:07.340 oh, is this Fat Dave?

01:39:08.940 It doesn't give me anybody.

01:39:10.960 It has to be fucking funny, though.

01:39:14.240 It has to be funny.

01:39:15.340 It has to be funny.

01:39:16.920 You know how many times I've been dragged –

01:39:18.000 I still like every one of them.

01:39:19.740 Look, I've been dragged –

01:39:21.220 Okay, this is why I – this is partially why I hate being tagged on Twitter so much.

01:39:25.980 It's because I will be dragged into some person, some – one of my followers

01:39:31.560 who's arguing with some blue check, and he'll – it's like some white lady,

01:39:38.180 and he'll tag me in the fucking thread.

01:39:40.520 Like, I had nothing to do with this.

01:39:42.220 Like, you're the authority.

01:39:42.960 I don't know who that person is, and now I discovered this new person that I fucking hate now

01:39:47.980 because of you, and now I'm starting to hate you, and now I have to block the fucking blue check

01:39:52.400 because I don't want to get reported because they go and scroll my fucking profile

01:39:55.240 and see the shit that I say on my goddamn timeline.

01:39:57.880 Yeah, I agree.

01:39:58.320 No, don't fucking tag me if you're arguing with somebody on Twitter.

01:40:02.080 This shit happened just like last week, and I told the guy,

01:40:05.520 this is why I don't like fucking – this is why I don't like fucking getting tagged randomly on Twitter,

01:40:11.500 and the guy wound up deleting, and I blocked the fucking person he was arguing with

01:40:14.560 because it was clearly somebody that would report you for the shit that I –

01:40:17.680 I got my fucking profile banner reported, and I had to delete the shit, okay?

01:40:23.340 What was it?

01:40:23.960 It was a fucking – it was a Confederate flag with ANCAP colors.

01:40:27.920 It wasn't even bad.

01:40:30.600 And the guy who did it –

01:40:31.900 I fucking love this.

01:40:33.620 Which is my little background.

01:40:36.040 Tyler Jenkins said, I miss low-time preference celebrity, man.

01:40:39.620 That's a saltier, Taylor.

01:40:41.100 That's not a Confederate flag, is it?

01:40:43.080 That's a saltier.

01:40:44.160 It's the – well, it's the upright one.

01:40:46.960 I don't know.

01:40:47.540 Jared did it.

01:40:48.280 Jared.

01:40:48.840 Oh, okay.

01:40:49.420 You did this one.

01:40:49.920 Anyway, regardless, yeah, like it was my banner, and it fucking got reported.

01:40:53.180 And the guy who did it bragged about it on Facebook, and I know who you are, motherfucker.

01:40:56.640 And if I ever meet you in person, I'm not going to commit violence against you because

01:40:59.980 you're totally not a faggot.

01:41:01.580 So anyway –

01:41:02.580 Jeez.

01:41:04.460 The point I'm making is –

01:41:05.740 Now we're talking.

01:41:06.800 Just be normal.

01:41:08.340 It's not hard.

01:41:09.340 And that's strong coming from me, but –

01:41:12.420 Especially after you just said you're going to beat – or not beat someone up.

01:41:15.300 I didn't say anything.

01:41:16.740 You're going to beat up not a faggot.

01:41:18.860 I don't know what –

01:41:19.540 As his lawyer, he didn't say shit.

01:41:21.640 I don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

01:41:23.420 He said he's not –

01:41:24.200 Whoever that guy is –

01:41:24.800 Your honor.

01:41:25.460 The man clearly said he wasn't going to beat up a faggot.

01:41:29.060 I do want to share real quick.

01:41:30.800 I do want to share real quick that when I met Pete in real life, I was trying hard not to

01:41:34.940 fangirl, and that dude, as much as he is hard online and stuff, he's an absolute sweetheart.

01:41:41.080 He legit just pulled me aside and was like, hey, take a picture.

01:41:44.080 Because he could tell I wanted a picture because we had talked online before, and I think he

01:41:48.760 knew that I did have like a – I very much like him and Dave and people have shaped my

01:41:52.500 thinking a lot.

01:41:53.720 And yeah, it's like – it's a normal person, so you act like a normal person.

01:41:56.700 But yeah, he is – he's an absolute sweetheart and legit just like, come here, come take

01:41:59.480 a picture.

01:42:00.200 Like without me even saying anything.

01:42:01.060 Are you still an agorist, bro?

01:42:02.480 Yeah, I'm gay as fuck, dog.

01:42:05.160 Except when vaccines mandates are in effect.

01:42:10.220 Then Jose also becomes –

01:42:12.080 I'm too drunk to have that conversation.

01:42:14.140 No, fuck that, dude.

01:42:14.840 No, fuck that, dude.

01:42:15.920 All right, look.

01:42:16.980 I got to bounce.

01:42:18.300 I know.

01:42:18.720 We probably need to wrap it up anyway.

01:42:20.680 If you want to hear my explanation for why I've backed off of Twitter and social media

01:42:27.080 and like I've chilled out a bit, then go listen to my latest appearance on James Gentleman's

01:42:31.480 Blackbird podcast.

01:42:32.660 It was a good episode.

01:42:33.680 I've gone back and listened to it.

01:42:34.840 It was really fucking good, and that explains a bit.

01:42:38.360 Is it public yet, or is it going to really –

01:42:39.620 Yeah, it's public.

01:42:40.360 It's public.

01:42:40.720 It's been public for a couple of days now.

01:42:43.320 I know James sits on them for a while.

01:42:44.880 Travis was in the chat earlier.

01:42:46.680 He is going – I am going to come back to my doing my own show, the Individualist podcast,

01:42:52.040 but I'm going to change gears a little bit because I'm sick of politics.

01:42:55.100 I'm sick of fucking theory.

01:42:56.280 I'm sick of ideology.

01:42:57.300 What I want to start talking about is how regular people can start to change their own

01:43:02.400 world instead of thinking they're going to change the whole fucking world.

01:43:04.940 So, Travis, we're going to have him on, and we're going to talk about fitness and nutrition

01:43:10.320 because that's something that you can affect yourself.

01:43:12.520 You should have a tranny on.

01:43:14.200 Come on, change your own world.

01:43:16.820 Nick's an agorist now.

01:43:18.040 You guys heard it here.

01:43:18.800 Nick's an agorist.

01:43:19.320 I see Cole is still making really unfunny jokes that –

01:43:22.440 Oh, that was – oh, that – come on.

01:43:24.140 Change your own world.

01:43:24.540 That was a little weird.

01:43:26.520 I'm fucking with you, buddy.

01:43:27.680 I love you.

01:43:28.820 Yeah, I'm not an agorist, Jose.

01:43:31.100 I'm just joking, but you know what I mean.

01:43:32.100 Because I actually go – because I go outside.

01:43:34.420 I mean, you know, I got to – you see this tan?

01:43:36.100 Touch grass.

01:43:38.540 Trucker's arm, yeah.

01:43:39.580 No, but no, I do find myself more and more, like, resonating with fucking people that are

01:43:45.980 just not dealing with politics and not dealing with shit.

01:43:48.140 But, like, you cannot fight the state if you're 300 fucking 50 pounds and you're going to

01:43:53.460 go – you're going to get winded if you walk a half a fucking –

01:43:56.600 Wealth, power, and influence, baby.

01:43:58.140 I agree.

01:43:58.500 Well, that's that too.

01:44:00.080 I mean, that's –

01:44:00.900 Tyler Janky, Libertarian Podcast Review.

01:44:03.740 And this is what James –

01:44:04.480 Oh, fuck.

01:44:04.880 Is Nick going to leave his wife?

01:44:06.440 Dr. Peterson.

01:44:07.300 Oh, God.

01:44:08.100 No, I don't have a kid yet, but I don't have any kids to abandon, so I don't – I can't

01:44:11.960 do that.

01:44:13.200 But, yeah, he says Dr. Peterson, Nick.

01:44:15.360 Yeah, that does actually sound like Peterson.

01:44:17.100 I don't know if I'm, like, stealing his idea or if it was – but the reality is whenever

01:44:21.480 you start to talk about this kind of things – and this is not – this show isn't, like,

01:44:26.660 under that criticism.

01:44:27.800 It's not – because it's clearly just a fun thing that we don't really take that seriously.

01:44:32.900 But whenever all you do is talk to other people that more or less agree with you, you're

01:44:36.620 not – that's not the most productive thing that you can do.

01:44:38.840 So the point that I'm making here and the thing that I'm going to try to shift into

01:44:42.980 doing is to get people – you know, give people practical, whether it's, I don't

01:44:49.200 know, life advice like going to the gym and eating better or get a mechanic on my show

01:44:54.460 to talk to me about fucking working on your car, shit like that.

01:44:57.820 Like, you can actually affect – or, you know, going in, like, voluntary – volunteerism

01:45:02.820 and action people and talking about how to organize charities and do stuff for people

01:45:06.680 like that because I'm sick of – I'm sick of ideology.

01:45:09.860 I'm sick of fucking theory.

01:45:11.600 I'm sick of politics.

01:45:12.560 And the reality is none of us are going to change anything in those realms.

01:45:19.440 It's just not – it's just not going to happen.

01:45:21.500 And if it was a matter of putting the right words in the right order, we would have won

01:45:25.900 by now 10,000 times already because everybody's done it 100 times.

01:45:30.900 So it's not about saying the right ideas and saying them to the right people because that's

01:45:36.160 clearly not the thing.

01:45:37.140 So it's about – what I'm going to start focusing on is actually getting involved in

01:45:41.080 whether it's in the community, as cliche as that sounds, or trying to fucking teach

01:45:46.300 people how to change their own oil.

01:45:48.060 So whatever.

01:45:48.760 Like, I know it's like fucking a completely off-the-wall thing that I'm just doing all

01:45:53.920 this stuff.

01:45:54.200 You are the individualist.

01:45:55.840 That's exactly it.

01:45:57.040 There you go.

01:45:57.500 That fits perfectly.

01:45:58.880 Yeah.

01:45:59.140 Let me handle the theory, bro.

01:46:01.100 Yeah.

01:46:02.400 We've clearly established that Taylor is the guy.

01:46:04.940 Or somebody like Jared, who's also incredibly smart.

01:46:08.320 I don't have the patience for that shit.

01:46:09.880 I don't have the intelligence, frankly, for that shit.

01:46:11.820 I'm going to do what I think I'm going to be good at, which is going to be helping

01:46:15.300 people learn how to live a little bit of a better life, at least marginally, if anything.

01:46:20.140 That's real high-time preference behavior, man.

01:46:22.260 No, it's low-time preference.

01:46:23.640 It's low-time preference.

01:46:24.880 And, Cole, don't you ever fucking come on a show and say you don't know time preference

01:46:34.860 ever again.

01:46:36.140 I don't know where you live.

01:46:38.480 I don't know where you work.

01:46:39.780 I shouldn't be making these threats because I really don't have anything that I can add,

01:46:43.540 you know, anything actionable.

01:46:45.460 But I will figure it out.

01:46:47.240 Yeah, literally within walking distance of my work.

01:46:50.000 Yeah, all right.

01:46:50.880 So I can figure this shit out.

01:46:52.740 So if I ever hear you talking about time preference and how it doesn't make sense or you don't

01:46:58.160 understand it, especially when you're on the show.

01:47:00.360 I'm about to go tweet it right after this.

01:47:02.400 But this time preference shit doesn't make any sense.

01:47:04.680 I'm going to put a major, like, celebritarian on.

01:47:07.780 I'm going to, like, I'm going to start off after he was gone.

01:47:12.340 I'm going to stab him in the eye with a safety pin.

01:47:14.880 Like, we'll start slow.

01:47:16.500 And then, like, if I see you doing it again, then I'm going to get to, like, an ice cream

01:47:20.300 scoop and then scoop the whole eyeball out.

01:47:23.500 So, all right.

01:47:25.700 Somebody else talk because I've been going.

01:47:27.080 Yeah, let's, well, here, here.

01:47:30.000 Everybody do plugs.

01:47:30.940 Everybody do plugs and we'll get the fuck out of here.

01:47:33.080 All right.

01:47:33.520 I'm the Naturalist Capitalist.

01:47:35.940 Check me out on YouTube, at Reed Coverdale on Twitter.

01:47:38.560 Having Siraj Hajmi on the show tomorrow night and then going on Jose's show after that.

01:47:44.640 Oh, yeah.

01:47:45.260 Yeah, tomorrow is my episode 100.

01:47:47.520 It's my 100.

01:47:47.920 Has there been a bigger letdown for you yet, Clint, of going, Reed, of going from, like,

01:47:52.800 sorry.

01:47:53.980 I'm going from, like, here to Jose.

01:47:58.480 Jose's my homie, so it's all good.

01:48:00.500 I don't.

01:48:00.740 Nah, dude, I have a.

01:48:01.740 I'm giving him shit because me and Toe didn't get invited on for episode 100, so.

01:48:04.880 I can only have so many people, and let's be real.

01:48:07.200 It was very much a back and forth.

01:48:08.880 You jerk me off, I jerk you off.

01:48:10.380 It went back and forth.

01:48:11.160 But, no, I tried to have to pick a good amount of people that I, the theme being from my

01:48:17.940 100th episode that, like, those have kind of helped me along.

01:48:20.620 I got James Gentleman, because me and him both kind of started at the same time.

01:48:23.660 Did a lot of episodes on each other's channels.

01:48:26.220 I have Clint coming on, too, with obviously, like, entire power hour, fucking Reed, Top Lobster.

01:48:33.500 So, yeah, just a big theme for that one's going to be, you know, just helping each other out.

01:48:36.700 So, I mean, I really was, like, debating bringing Toad and Fat Dave on, but it's like, Jesus

01:48:41.820 Christ, it's already a lot of people.

01:48:43.740 So, yeah.

01:48:44.660 But, no, it should be a good one.

01:48:45.540 I'm really looking forward to it.

01:48:47.540 I don't really know what we're going to cover, but it's going to be a big one.

01:48:51.280 I mean, I know a lot of people are trying to get me and Clint to talk about some shit

01:48:53.960 we've been disagreeing on lately, but, and maybe we will.

01:48:56.420 I don't know.

01:48:56.840 I'm too drunk and loose-lipped right now, but check me out on No Way Jose YouTube channel

01:49:01.060 or all the major podcatchers, all that good shit.

01:49:03.500 That's it.

01:49:05.820 Taylor.

01:49:06.340 Go, Taylor.

01:49:07.520 All right.

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01:49:38.600 We're all good people.

01:49:39.680 I know what you're doing.

01:49:40.020 I'll write an article about time preference for you.

01:49:42.280 I was just going to say that.

01:49:44.040 I'm going to interview you for the site about why the fuck you don't know what time preference is.

01:49:48.980 But, yeah, follow me on Twitter.

01:49:53.180 Follow the Hoppian.

01:49:54.100 Follow Jared at N Democracy, one of the best guys I know.

01:49:58.100 Follow Nick, Nick the Individual.

01:50:01.100 Also one of the best guys I've ever fucking met.

01:50:04.120 You guys all roll.

01:50:05.060 Thank you for having me on.

01:50:05.780 Hell, yeah.

01:50:06.320 Thanks for coming on.

01:50:06.820 Check out Settle for Nothing, Taylor's band.

01:50:08.880 Fucking hard.

01:50:10.160 It's hard.

01:50:11.200 If you like hardcore, you're going to fucking love it.

01:50:13.700 Appreciate it.

01:50:14.040 Yeah, then me and Toad run Tower Gang Pod, which you're probably on if you're here.

01:50:19.800 But I'm going to be on FatcomicDave on Twitter.

01:50:22.380 I'm going to be on Libertarian Friendship Simulator this Wednesday.

01:50:25.980 So I don't know when they fucking release their episode.

01:50:27.560 Call a bunch of niggers at the first time.

01:50:29.880 Yeah, I 100% will.

01:50:31.420 We went this whole time with me being on without anybody saying the fucking word.

01:50:35.200 You fucking had to do it.

01:50:36.560 You just had to do it.

01:50:38.020 You just, like, you can't help yourself.

01:50:40.040 At least we made an hour and 50 minutes instead of, like, 20 seconds.

01:50:42.940 Yeah, what I was going to say was follow us on Odyssey.

01:50:47.720 We were actually streaming this whole episode on Odyssey.

01:50:51.160 I saw some people.

01:50:52.300 It was still going on.

01:50:53.220 I think, yeah.

01:50:53.760 I think it was.

01:50:54.080 Yeah, we actually had a lot of comments and shit.

01:50:59.080 So follow us on Odyssey.

01:51:00.700 We're going to try to, as much as possible, make Odyssey at some point our home, like,

01:51:07.880 fucking base or whatever, our main one.

01:51:09.960 Because at some point, all of us are going to get kicked off YouTube.

01:51:13.640 It's just not going to.

01:51:14.520 We're not going to be able to stay here forever.

01:51:16.700 Not because we say the N-word a bunch, but because we're against the backs.

01:51:20.560 We're libertarians.

01:51:20.940 No, it's because you say the N-word a bunch.

01:51:23.220 It's not rocket science, Cole.

01:51:25.500 That's not 100% true.

01:51:26.580 No, it's not rocket science.

01:51:27.840 That's not 100% true because they took down fucking Ron Paul Liberty news.

01:51:32.120 I don't know whatever fucking one he had.

01:51:33.340 It got reinstated right away.

01:51:34.040 Okay, yeah, because Twitter, like, everybody freaked the fuck out.

01:51:37.860 They're not going to freak the fuck out on Twitter and YouTube bring us back on.

01:51:41.480 It's not going to happen.

01:51:42.920 But as much as possible, honestly, just because it's better theoretically than YouTube and is

01:51:49.620 a more libertarian place.

01:51:51.520 Guys, it wasn't the flagrant fucking talking to Franny's or the N-word or any of the other

01:51:57.740 faux pas we hit on.

01:51:59.140 It was the brief 30 seconds where we were talking about the facts.

01:52:01.820 That's what it was.

01:52:02.520 Do you remember the entire, like, dieting we went on about masks and vaccines, like,

01:52:07.520 a couple of episodes ago?

01:52:09.460 Yeah, that didn't get taken down.

01:52:11.180 Stop saying the N-word, you dick shit.

01:52:14.680 It's not that hard.

01:52:15.680 I actually think it was the job.

01:52:16.840 You don't have to be an edgelord on purpose.

01:52:19.760 Hey, I only...

01:52:20.740 Just be a regular guy.

01:52:22.580 Remember what Taylor just said?

01:52:23.480 I live in Alabama.

01:52:25.140 That is regular guys.

01:52:26.200 I live in Louisiana.

01:52:27.320 There's probably more black people here than there are in Alabama.

01:52:30.180 Yeah, because we kicked them all out because we kept saying the N-words.

01:52:33.760 Stop saying the N-words.

01:52:35.240 And maybe you can keep your show on YouTube.

01:52:37.900 And Toad.

01:52:38.800 Yeah?

01:52:39.300 I love you.

01:52:40.520 I love you too, man.

01:52:42.780 Homo.

01:52:44.780 Full homo.

01:52:45.920 Yes, sir.

01:52:47.800 Yeah, but Tower of Power Hour, we got Ashton Bird.

01:52:50.740 We got Ashton Bird on next week, so check that out.

01:52:54.880 Prepare for the influx of insults about having a white woman on the show, by the way.

01:52:59.000 Thanks, Nick.

01:52:59.740 I'm sorry.

01:53:01.220 I didn't mean to do it.

01:53:02.640 It's going to be like, where's Nick at?

01:53:04.160 Where's Nick?

01:53:04.800 He's a white woman on.

01:53:06.700 I didn't mean to.

01:53:08.120 If I had known that that shit was going to happen, I never would have said those words

01:53:11.580 ever.

01:53:12.300 So I'm sorry.

01:53:13.160 I wouldn't take it back.

01:53:14.320 I love it.

01:53:14.980 It's adorable.

01:53:15.520 I love you too.

01:53:16.820 Somebody please pretend that I didn't say it and y'all say it.

01:53:20.260 Here's what I will say, though.

01:53:21.180 I think it's a good thing because it's just fan involvement type of thing.

01:53:24.860 And yes, maybe I run jokes into the ground, I guess, because I like doing the callback.

01:53:29.960 You guess, huh?

01:53:30.760 Yeah.

01:53:31.060 I like doing the callbacks and shit.

01:53:33.520 Dude, a good callback is tits, though.

01:53:35.260 I'm not going to lie.

01:53:35.780 Like, David Hines today said when fucking for the announcement of Dave having a kid

01:53:41.300 was like, he's officially a unit of fuck.

01:53:44.720 That made me laugh.

01:53:45.660 That was a good time.

01:53:46.480 That was a really well-timed callback, you know?

01:53:48.940 If you're trying to force it, it doesn't work.

01:53:51.200 Yeah.

01:53:51.360 Not us doing it all the time, but like, yeah, people, yeah, just in the crowd, like doing

01:53:55.600 it.

01:53:55.760 I like seeing that.

01:53:56.440 I think it's cool.

01:53:57.300 And I think like taking pictures with people kind of has a similar effect where it's like

01:54:01.180 kind of like this unity thing, right?

01:54:02.980 No, you fucking idiot.

01:54:04.140 The problem is most people are not funny.

01:54:05.720 Jesus Christ, can we just end this?

01:54:07.320 Yeah, can you just end the screen so I can leave the fucking screen?

01:54:10.500 Let's go.

01:54:10.860 I have to be so fucking bad, dude.

01:54:13.020 I'm going to fucking piss my face off.

01:54:14.120 See you, everybody.

01:54:14.860 All right.

Tower Gang - October 06, 2021

Ep 38 - The Lower Half of Ellen w⧸ Phil Labonte & Taylor Shiring

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