Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - AI Mass Surveillance and the Next Chapter of Censorship, Live with Cyber Expert Mike Benz | TRIGGERED Ep.121

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00:06:00.000 guys welcome to another huge episode of triggered Tonight's episode is going to be a fun one and also one that's going to have you questioning anything and everything about your government.

00:06:27.000 Because today I'm going to be talking with Mike Benz.

00:06:30.000 Mike is a former Trump administration State Department official and he's an expert on the deep state's censorship efforts.

00:06:36.000 This is a really big deal.

00:06:38.000 And we're going to do a deep dive into all of it for you, so you understand just how bad it is.

00:06:44.000 You want to take notes on this one, because it's going to be fascinating.

00:06:50.000 We're going to get into the information.

00:06:52.000 It's hard to believe it's probably worse than we all think, but let's just say it's worse than we all think.

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00:07:59.000 And we're gonna begin by taking a look at all of the top headlines, guys.

00:08:05.000 And just so a little spoiler alert, under Joe Biden, everything just keeps getting worse.

00:08:16.000 Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro, who was on the show on Monday night, reported to prison

00:08:23.000 They are jailing their political opponents.

00:08:26.000 He reported to prison on Tuesday the day after our interview aired right here on Triggered.

00:08:32.000 Peter was forced to go to prison because he didn't comply with a subpoena from the bogus January 6th committee.

00:08:37.000 Remember, it was under appeal, but it doesn't matter.

00:08:42.000 Right? Executive privilege.

00:08:43.000 Doesn't matter. It's good for everyone else, just not Trump.

00:08:46.000 Just not Trump's China trade hawk.

00:08:49.000 Peter is still fighting for what could be a historic legal case on the parameters of executive privilege.

00:08:56.000 What was amazing about that interview, and if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go back and watch it, was Peter was still more concerned about what's going to go forward for the 2024 agenda than he was about going to prison.

00:09:07.000 We need more great patriots like that. 0.93

00:09:11.000 But here's the question, guys.

00:09:13.000 What's going to happen to Hunter Biden for skipping out on the House Oversight Committee yesterday?

00:09:18.000 Where's his subpoena?

00:09:20.000 More importantly, will Hunter Biden face any consequences for lying to Congress?

00:09:26.000 Tony Bobulinski laid it all out yesterday on Capitol Hill.

00:09:31.000 Was Hunter Biden telling the truth when he testified under oath that his father was never involved in any of his business dealings?

00:09:46.000 Okay, so we are clear, folks, lying to Congress is a crime.

00:09:51.000 Congressional Republicans should at very least send a referral to the DOJ. Now, that's the same DOJ that Joe Biden has weaponized for the benefit of his family against his political enemies.

00:10:03.000 I'm not expecting a lot, but as someone who's done 50 hours of congressional testimony, I know from the follow-up Where, I mean, if there was a point of inflection in my voice, they tried to make it seem like it was a lie.

00:10:17.000 I would have gone to jail.

00:10:19.000 They tried very hard to do that.

00:10:22.000 Remember, Adam Schiff up there wanted to try me for treason, a crime punishable by death.

00:10:27.000 Even if they altered my emails, even if they messed with things, it didn't stop the media from covering it that way.

00:10:32.000 But why is it different?

00:10:35.000 Does anyone... Can anyone with a straight face say that I wouldn't be in prison if I did what Hunter Biden did?

00:10:43.000 Of course I would be.

00:10:45.000 And guess what? I deserve it.

00:10:47.000 Yesterday's hearing just showed how involved Joe Biden was in all of Hunter's foreign business dealings.

00:10:56.000 And remember guys, foreign governments, those kind of people, they don't invest with crackheads

00:11:01.000 unless they're buying them off.

00:11:04.000 Hunter Biden asked his father to help get a deal done with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:11:10.000 Okay, a company linked to them, and he wanted to get it across the finish line.

00:11:16.000 And Joe told Russian oligarchs to take care of his boy.

00:11:21.000 Watch for yourself.

00:11:22.000 I was sitting with Hunter Biden and Devin Archer at the Peninsula Bar in New York, where

00:11:27.000 Hunter took a call from his father and told him things were going well with Henry Zell

00:11:30.000 and Harvest, and that he might need a little help getting across the finish line.

00:11:35.000 It was not the only time I heard Hunter speak with his father for business reasons.

00:11:40.000 I was present when Hunter called his father on May 4, 2014 on a cell phone, put it on speaker mode to have him say hello to Yelena Batarina, a Russian oligarch and an investor in Rosemont Projects, and her husband Yuri Luskov, the former mayor of Moscow.

00:11:56.000 Devon Archer was also there.

00:11:58.000 Hunter said, well, I'm here with our friends.

00:12:01.000 I told you we're coming to town, and we wanted to say hello.

00:12:06.000 The vice president said hello, some pleasant dreams, and I hope you had safe travels, and a man said, quote, okay, you'd be good to my boy.

00:12:13.000 Hunter responded by saying, everything is good, and we're moving ahead.

00:12:17.000 The vice president said something about being helpful, and Hunter ended the call by saying

00:12:22.000 he was going to call his father later.

00:12:24.000 Before this call, Hunter sat next to Elena Bavarino at a table and I heard him speaking

00:12:28.000 on business matters generally.

00:12:29.000 A few days after this May 4th party, an email my lawyer provided to this committee shows

00:12:35.000 that Devin had confirmed Ms. Bavarino was committed to a quote, hard work of $10 to

00:12:41.000 $20 million in a burdened investment banking client.

00:12:45.000 Wow.

00:12:47.000 I mean, hey, what else do you really need?

00:12:50.000 But hey, it seems like that's never enough for the Democrats.

00:12:53.000 You can have all the evidence imaginable laid out right before you, and it doesn't matter.

00:12:58.000 You know, didn't stop them from pushing three years of Russia, Russia, Russia, as though it was the gospel with no evidence, but we've been playing a different game for far too long. 0.56

00:13:06.000 Now, Congresswoman AOC. Ocasio-Cortez saw all of this and she decided that she needed a memorable soundbite.

00:13:16.000 So, what did she do?

00:13:18.000 Well, she asked Tony Bobulinski if he ever witnessed Joe Biden commit a crime.

00:13:22.000 And she didn't seem to like the answer she got back.

00:13:28.000 Your testimony today that you personally witnessed President Joe Biden commit a crime.

00:13:40.000 I believe the fact that he was sitting with me while I was putting together a business deal.

00:13:44.000 Did you witness the president commit a crime?

00:13:47.000 Is it your testimony today?

00:13:49.000 Yes. And what crime have you witnessed?

00:13:53.000 How much time do I have to go through it?

00:13:55.000 It is simple. You name the crime.

00:13:57.000 Did you watch him steal something?

00:14:00.000 Corruption statutes, RICO and conspiracy.

00:14:03.000 What is the crime, sir?

00:14:06.000 Specifically. You asked me to answer the question.

00:14:10.000 I answered the question. RICO, you're obviously not familiar with.

00:14:14.000 Excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir.

00:14:18.000 RICO is not a crime.

00:14:20.000 It is a category.

00:14:22.000 Of course, guys, RICO refers to corruption crimes.

00:14:27.000 And given that exchange, I think we need members of Congress and Biden to all take cognitive tests.

00:14:35.000 Probably especially AOC. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, but she thinks she is.

00:14:40.000 However, the best part of the hearing came when Florida Congressman Michael Waltz, a friend of the show and regular guest, called out Eric Swalwell, the guy who slept with a Chinese spy.

00:14:53.000 And I find it incredibly rich Mr.

00:14:56.000 Swalwell is going to come to this committee and lecture us about How China penetrates our government.

00:15:03.000 I think that's something he may know a thing or two about.

00:15:09.000 That was solid.

00:15:10.000 And true. And ridiculous. 0.98

00:15:13.000 And if it happened to a Republican, I have a feeling it wouldn't be a problem. 0.95

00:15:16.000 Those people wouldn't still be sitting on the Intelligence Committee.

00:15:20.000 But we live in bizarre times.

00:15:23.000 Meanwhile guys, Biden's open border invasion continues.

00:15:27.000 In just the past few weeks, several terrorist illegal immigrants have been arrested.

00:15:32.000 An illegal immigrant from Lebanon was arrested at the border after telling Border Patrol that he's a member of Hezbollah and hoping to build a bomb.

00:15:42.000 He's telling them that.

00:15:44.000 Imagine how many others are probably thinking the same thing, but are maybe smart enough to not put it into words.

00:15:53.000 If he didn't get stopped at the border, he was hoping to get to New York.

00:15:58.000 That's just who gets caught, folks.

00:16:02.000 Last week in North Carolina, an illegal immigrant from Africa was arrested after a standoff with police.

00:16:08.000 Turns out, he too was on a terror watch list.

00:16:11.000 There is a nonstop invasion of terrorists into our country under Joe Biden.

00:16:18.000 Here's some of the numbers to illustrate just how bad this problem actually is.

00:16:23.000 During the Trump administration, just 11 illegals on terror watch lists were caught on the southern

00:16:28.000 border.

00:16:29.000 So far under Biden, at least 340 illegals on the terror watch list have crossed in from

00:16:37.000 Mexico.

00:16:38.000 And again, guys, the important question is how many weren't actually caught?

00:16:45.000 These are people who are well funded by people who hate our guts.

00:16:49.000 They hate our country, our freedoms, our lifestyle, and everything about us.

00:16:53.000 I have a feeling they probably have more sophisticated ways of getting in, and when you have a Swiss cheese border, it makes it easy to do so.

00:17:01.000 And here's footage from the border today.

00:17:03.000 Just today, earlier, that shows just how much of a disaster it's all become.

00:17:10.000 Remember folks, this is today, earlier in El Paso, Texas.

00:17:15.000 This is El Paso, Texas.

00:17:22.000 This is El Paso, Texas.

00:17:51.000 Can you believe this?

00:17:54.000 I mean, you think those people are gonna be great in your neighborhoods?

00:17:58.000 You think they're gonna be nice to your children and play ball?

00:18:02.000 Illegals are surging to our border while companies like Tyson Foods see it as a hiring opportunity. 1.00

00:18:08.000 Tyson is reportedly laying off American workers while saying they also hope to hire asylum seekers.

00:18:14.000 You know, asylum seekers. 1.00

00:18:15.000 Everyone's an asylum seeker. 1.00

00:18:16.000 If you want the freebies, you're an asylum seeker. 1.00

00:18:18.000 Just check that box and we'll make sure to take care of it.

00:18:21.000 They want to hire them for factory jobs that they claim Americans don't want.

00:18:26.000 These are functionally illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:18:29.000 They don't have visas.

00:18:31.000 They're even offering legal representation as part of the compensation package.

00:18:37.000 Wow, it'd be nice if they did something for Americans, but, you know, it's 2024.

00:18:41.000 Who's gonna do that other than Donald Trump?

00:18:43.000 And meanwhile, the illegals who don't get a job at Tyson Food may just squat in someone's home. 0.99

00:18:50.000 Think about that. They may just move in.

00:18:52.000 A TikTok video is going viral right now from a Venezuelan illegal immigrant encouraging illegals to squat in abandoned homes. 1.00

00:19:00.000 And believe it or not, beyond just illegal immigration, this has started to become a broader issue in our country with people taking advantage of squatters' rights.

00:19:10.000 In fact, a landlord was just arrested in New York when she tried to kick out a squatter.

00:19:16.000 Watch this one. Just forced himself into my house.

00:19:20.000 Yes, he did. And so did you.

00:19:23.000 You broke through the front door.

00:19:25.000 The man called the police on her.

00:19:27.000 So why is it that I have to leave and he doesn't have to leave?

00:19:29.000 Because technically he can't be kicked out.

00:19:31.000 We need to go to court. They consider this a landlord-tenant issue.

00:19:35.000 And by law, it has to be handled through the housing court, not with police.

00:19:39.000 If you own this house, you would not want her inside.

00:19:42.000 I don't own this. Exactly, she does.

00:19:44.000 Yes, but then once again, you should know how the law works.

00:19:47.000 I do know how it works. There's rules to this.

00:19:50.000 As you gotta go to court and send me to civil court.

00:19:52.000 He says he signed a lease in October, but wouldn't tell us with who.

00:19:56.000 I got proof longer than that.

00:19:57.000 Show us the proof. Dan with Channel 7 News.

00:20:01.000 If you don't want to show it, you don't want to show it.

00:20:03.000 I would like to see it.

00:20:05.000 He didn't show me a lease.

00:20:06.000 This is a bill. A bill for work he says he had done to the house.

00:20:10.000 He didn't show police a lease either.

00:20:12.000 The police department doesn't have the lease?

00:20:13.000 No. He's got no documentation.

00:20:15.000 Just bills. So Adele, you're getting arrested right now? 0.90

00:20:17.000 I'm being arrested. For what?

00:20:20.000 For being in my own home.

00:20:22.000 And where's your lease?

00:20:24.000 She's buying the house. It's not her house anymore.

00:20:26.000 My deed is current and legal.

00:20:27.000 Arrested for unlawful eviction.

00:20:30.000 She changed the locks on a man who claims he lives there.

00:20:35.000 Guys, property rights are one of the fundamental rights that built this country.

00:20:40.000 And Democrats are destroying that.

00:20:43.000 Imagine coming home one day and just having someone else living there.

00:20:48.000 What would you do? When do we say enough is enough?

00:20:51.000 When do we put an end to this bullshit? 1.00

00:20:57.000 The corrupt, out-of-control AG in New York, Letitia James, doesn't really believe in property rights either. 1.00

00:21:03.000 She's now scheming to try to seize property from my father after the baseless and clearly corrupt fraud ruling that they got in New York in a hand-picked judge and in a courtroom where you're never going to get a fair shake, where Mar-a-Lago's only worth $18 million until it's not, and they can do whatever they want to manipulate the narrative for their own purposes because who's going to stop them? 0.75

00:21:25.000 It's complete madness, and frankly, it's time for the Supreme Court to step in to address what is a massive constitutional violation for excessive fines. 0.78

00:21:35.000 Guys, these left-wing lunatics are corrupt, plain and simple, but they've gotten away with it. 0.97

00:21:44.000 We do have some good news, though. 0.98

00:21:45.000 In Ohio, Bernie Moreno won the Republican Senate primary on Tuesday in a landslide.

00:21:50.000 This is a big win for the MAGA movement.

00:21:52.000 It's a big defeat for the fake news media.

00:21:55.000 Here's Bernie during his victory speech on Tuesday.

00:21:59.000 On the 24th of 2026, we're going to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

00:22:11.000 And when we have that celebration, we're going to talk about how freedom and liberty's back, government's off our back, and I'm going to end where I started.

00:22:24.000 What is this party all about?

00:22:26.000 People say, I've lived the American dream.

00:22:29.000 Started a tiny little car dealership with nothing.

00:22:32.000 So that's not really in my mind what I view as the American dream.

00:22:35.000 Where's my father-in-law? I'm going to pick on him again today.

00:22:37.000 Where is he? Dennis, where are you? You're tall.

00:22:39.000 There's my father-in-law right over there, Bridget's dad.

00:22:42.000 All right? Dennis went to high school in Hobart, Indiana.

00:22:50.000 He's born in Gary, Indiana.

00:22:51.000 Graduated from high school, reported to work at U.S. Steel.

00:22:55.000 By the way, did you notice the name of the company?

00:22:56.000 U.S. Steel.

00:22:58.000 Because it's going to stay U.S. owned.

00:23:01.000 All right? Goes to work there, was able to buy a home, buy a car, raise three kids, send them to good schools and safe communities.

00:23:10.000 And he's able now to retire debt free.

00:23:13.000 That's the American dream.

00:23:14.000 That's what's under assault, and that's where we're going to get back.

00:23:20.000 Well, guys, that's what it's all about.

00:23:21.000 You know, we were told, Bernie's too MAGA, he won't be able to win.

00:23:24.000 And so we spent a little time, we did that, and he won all, I think it's 88 counties in Ohio by a 20-point margin.

00:23:30.000 So, remember, the MAGA movement, guys, it's alive and well.

00:23:34.000 People get it, they see it, and we gotta keep fighting.

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00:27:13.000 Guys, joining me now, cybersecurity expert, former State Department officer, and executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, Mike Benz, is joining us.

00:27:26.000 Mike, how's it going, man? Oh.

00:27:33.000 Mike, I think you're muted. I'm muted.

00:27:36.000 Ah, it's okay. I thought it was me.

00:27:38.000 Thanks for having me. I was going to start firing people over here, but it's just you, so I won't fire you because you're on the home team, so it's good.

00:27:44.000 That's on me. How you doing, man?

00:27:46.000 I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.

00:27:47.000 Well, a lot going on right now, and it's sort of interesting.

00:27:51.000 You think you probably have it all figured out, and it just keeps getting worse.

00:27:56.000 The New York Times just came out with a big article saying that the deep state is kind of awesome.

00:28:02.000 I mean... Just a few years ago, liberals denied that the deep state even existed.

00:28:08.000 Now they're saying it's awesome.

00:28:12.000 What is going on here?

00:28:13.000 I mean, is this just cognitive dissonance?

00:28:15.000 Is this insanity?

00:28:17.000 Is it just they don't care?

00:28:18.000 What is happening?

00:28:19.000 It went from total denial of this thing to, hey, this is their last line of defense, and it seems to sort of scream...

00:28:27.000 You know, contrary to all their complaining about, you know, the affront on democracy that they sort of, I guess, ironically joke about all the time.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, the New York Times itself in 2021 published a piece saying the deep state doesn't exist and it's a big conspiracy theory.

00:28:43.000 So and then fast forward three years later and to quote Seinfeld, it's real and it's spectacular.

00:28:49.000 But it's bigger.

00:28:51.000 It's bigger than just the the sort of reversal of The New York Times.

00:28:55.000 They really fully merged with the CIA position.

00:28:57.000 John McLaughlin, who was the CIA director for George Bush, came out a few years ago and said, thank God for the deep state.

00:29:05.000 This is a position echoed by General Michael V. Hayden, who is the head of the CIA, the head of the NSA, a four-star general.

00:29:11.000 They all know it exists.

00:29:13.000 They all know that their careers and their own personal piggy banks depend on it.

00:29:18.000 It is the operation that permanent Washington basically moves through in order to make sure it gets its way no matter who's president.

00:29:26.000 And we've had this permanent structure in Washington for the better part of a century now.

00:29:31.000 And so...

00:29:33.000 Yeah, I think what's happening right now in terms of the deep state, if you will, is something very similar that happened with the internet censorship story.

00:29:40.000 If you recall, for about five or six years, it was a hard blanket denial.

00:29:45.000 Internet censorship doesn't exist.

00:29:47.000 Okay, sure, it exists a little bit, but it doesn't target Republicans.

00:29:51.000 Sure, it targets Republicans, but it doesn't specifically – it's only because they commit disproportionate terms of service violations.

00:29:58.000 It doesn't specifically micro-target the MAGA wing and Donald Trump supporters.

00:30:02.000 Okay, it micro-targets Donald Trump supporters and MAGA, but it's a good thing.

00:30:07.000 And so we've watched that goalpost moving constantly.

00:30:11.000 Really, in every sector of corruption that the Biden world has been involved with, and it's basically a straight-line playbook that you can predict the moment you hear an official denial.

00:30:23.000 So is the censorship getting worse?

00:30:27.000 Because so many people, it's so obvious and so flagrant, is it forcing them to cut back or is it just sort of like, hey, now that it's a big open secret, let's just keep talking about it?

00:30:37.000 What is the censorship industry these days specifically?

00:30:42.000 Yeah, so, I mean, there's good news on this front, actually.

00:30:46.000 After losing this battle after battle for about six or seven straight years, 2023 was a year of unalloyed victories.

00:30:56.000 You had Elon Musk acquiring Twitter and creating basically a free speech bastion over at X. It's not perfect, but I think it's doing a very commendable job.

00:31:07.000 You had the reinstatement of major accounts.

00:31:09.000 You had the firing of about 85% of the censorship squads there, including the election censorship squad under Aaron Rodericks, who moved right on over to – who was a big part of this network from the legacy censorship folks.

00:31:23.000 You had this pushback against advertisers who were a big part of these organized boycotts.

00:31:30.000 You had the Republican response to the Disinformation Governance Board at DHS, which really activated a lot of congressional committees from oversight to judiciary to weaponization to House Homeland Security to all do their own censorship investigations, which have resulted in subpoenas, hearings, investigations.

00:31:51.000 You've had the Twitter files from Elon Musk You've had the successful advance of the Missouri v.

00:31:58.000 Biden Supreme Court case, a major July 4th victory of last year which set the stage for the Supreme Court case that's playing out over the next several weeks here.

00:32:07.000 You have major public interest law firms like America First Legal under Stephen Miller,

00:32:14.000 who have been absolute bulldozers in terms of suing these censorship companies and getting

00:32:18.000 records from them.

00:32:20.000 Even X has been involved in suing these censorship mercenary firms now.

00:32:24.000 X sued Media Matters, sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate.

00:32:27.000 We are absolutely winning in terms of momentum for free speech on the internet.

00:32:32.000 In fact, the New York Times just three days ago published a, you know, basically an A1

00:32:39.000 front page, top story, Sunday edition New York Times piece that says how Trump's allies

00:32:44.000 are winning the war on disinformation.

00:32:47.000 And they actually named me 24 times in that report and blamed...

00:32:51.000 Our whole coalition for, quote, winning successfully against censorship industry insiders on all fronts.

00:32:58.000 So even what's been done with the rise of Rumble as a YouTube alternative and the freedom of speech now on Twitter, which is the largest political thought leadership platform in terms of posts per day, you have this...

00:33:17.000 You have these other tech companies who are now starting to actually open up their own terms of service as government pressure on them has gone down.

00:33:26.000 In fact, my job is to monitor the censorship industry all day and read all their reports and hang out in their live streams and things like this.

00:33:35.000 They've been apoplectic over the past several months that what Elon Musk has done with Twitter has actually resulted in Facebook lessening some of its censorship regulations.

00:33:44.000 They're coasting on essentially the bravery of people who are building sort of free speech alternatives.

00:33:51.000 And as they've been less able to bring that same level of government pressure because of the political blowback that it would cause, It's allowed the loosening of censorship on basically all platforms at this point.

00:34:06.000 Really? Because, you know, hey, I'm obviously pretty vocal, but I see it on Instagram.

00:34:11.000 My engagement is just garbage right now, because obviously I'm political, I do political things, and it's way down.

00:34:17.000 Is it sort of one of these things where it's like, hey, relative to what it would have been before, I guess it's better, so maybe we're making baby steps, but it ain't the same. 0.95

00:34:28.000 Oh, totally. I'm obviously here on this platform.

00:34:31.000 I do it in long form. But I'm not willing to cede any of the platforms.

00:34:35.000 But I see my engagement on Facebook as well is down so much.

00:34:38.000 It's like, unless there's something really worth talking about, I just don't do as much there because it's basically not worth the time and energy and effort to put it in there.

00:34:46.000 Like, again, I don't like ceding any battlefield.

00:34:50.000 But it's clear that it's not like...

00:34:52.000 It's not great. And so I'm curious about that.

00:34:55.000 You know, you see, yeah, the Republicans are yelling, but a vast majority of the Republicans in Congress still take their $3,500 check from Google and don't really do anything in the end.

00:35:05.000 And frankly, half of them that I spoke to, they don't even understand the issues, right?

00:35:08.000 They're not dealing with the censorship.

00:35:10.000 I do my own social media.

00:35:12.000 I post it. So when I see it, I know what it's going to do based on history.

00:35:15.000 So I can say, here, I'm getting a, you know, 10% of my normal engagement.

00:35:19.000 If I get a post that breaks 50,000 likes on Instagram right now, it's solid.

00:35:25.000 A year and a half ago, that could have been 300,000, 400,000.

00:35:29.000 It's not even close.

00:35:31.000 Yeah. Well, I mean, you are obviously a super high priority target.

00:35:35.000 I mean, no mistake about it, they're still absolutely targeting any sort of, any influential figure who's associated with, you know, sort of high level MAGA thought leadership.

00:35:46.000 But, you know, there's a, so, you know, I agree with you.

00:35:50.000 I don't want to give Facebook or Instagram credit.

00:35:53.000 I'm only sort of relaying to you the frustration That many of the censorship industry insiders have felt around some of the loosening of restrictions around opposition to public health or opposition to the use of mail-in ballots, things that were hard, you know, ban you for life, things for talking about in 2020 and 2021, and which are sort of lessening at the toss level.

00:36:16.000 But I'm sure that your account is hit with a do not amplify, deboosting, you know, backend thing in order to try to stop you from being more popular.

00:36:25.000 Well, so talk about this.

00:36:26.000 You know, I'm seeing a lot and sort of all of a sudden, you know, the swamp is really lining up to ban TikTok, but I can't really help but think there's more to the story.

00:36:36.000 I mean, I don't know if you saw my full sort of opening monologue, but for example, a new

00:36:40.000 study out reveals just how bad Google has interfered in our elections going back nearly

00:36:46.000 two decades.

00:36:49.000 That's obviously clear.

00:36:50.000 When I could search anything on Google and you get the CNN version of the truth for 37

00:36:57.000 pages before anything else would ever show up, it's clearly designed to manipulate.

00:37:02.000 It's clearly designed to change the narrative.

00:37:07.000 How do you see all of that?

00:37:10.000 Because there's a ban for one that I see push up, but I see other offenders that are perhaps

00:37:16.000 just as bad.

00:37:17.000 And I'm not a fan of any of that, but like just perhaps just as bad, if not worse, and

00:37:22.000 for a much longer period of time.

00:37:24.000 And yet no one, I mean, it's like, oh, well, that's different.

00:37:26.000 It's okay.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 Well, you know, that thing about Google interfering 41 times in 16 years, I mean, they interfered

00:37:33.000 41,000 times in six months in the run up to the 2020 election.

00:37:38.000 I'd argue they interfere every day and every time you search anything that's even remotely political or health-related or otherwise.

00:37:45.000 Oh, and it was all day one planning, literally day one.

00:37:49.000 There was the November 8th, 2016 election of Donald Trump to the presidency.

00:37:55.000 The very day after it came out, that was a Thursday, they held a TGIF Friday meeting on November 9th, 2016.

00:38:02.000 That's their Thank God It's Friday all-hands meeting the day after the election.

00:38:07.000 And so all of the major C-suite executives of Google, the CEO, the CFO, the COO, the CMO, We're good to go.

00:38:31.000 Of Google actually prefaced what Google's strategy was to prevent Donald Trump's reelection at that meeting.

00:38:39.000 He was asked a question by a Google employee.

00:38:42.000 What can we do to stop the rise of alternative news who are swaying people, you know, to vote the way they are for Donald Trump?

00:38:48.000 And and the CEO of the company replies, well, you know, we're working on these new techniques involving artificial intelligence using natural language processing.

00:38:57.000 These are these weapons of mass deletion that I talk about these.

00:39:00.000 Yeah. AI censorship techniques that allowed them to scan and ban tens of millions of posts rather than having to whack-a-mole, do things one at a, you know, censor posts one at a time.

00:39:11.000 And that was really the great game changer that allowed them to censor tens of millions of posts about mail-in ballots or anything that, you know, that opposed Joe Biden essentially in the run-up to the 2020 election.

00:39:25.000 But with respect to TikTok, You got a strange brew, a sort of motley crew of commercial interests involved in this.

00:39:36.000 This is one of these things where I understand the security concern around spyware and China.

00:39:43.000 But we also have a national security state here who is fully mask off weaponized against our own people.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, like, is Meta not doing the same thing?

00:39:52.000 Is Google not doing the same?

00:39:53.000 Like, you know, I'm not a fan of any of that, but, like, it doesn't...

00:39:58.000 Again, I think it'd probably be demonstrable to say, hey, in the grand scheme of America, given how long they've been around, those guys have probably done more damage, and yet we don't even talk about it in terms of how badly they're manipulating what people believe and how easily they can sway these things.

00:40:14.000 When you talk about elections that are won by basis points, not even percentage points, it seems like it'd be really easy for, again, Google or any of the others to do just that.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, you know, it's hard to peer through the tea leaves of exactly what some of the machinations involved in this are because of the way that this bill is structured.

00:40:35.000 You know, it's not a TikTok ban.

00:40:36.000 It is a divestment from ByteDance into non-CCP affiliated companies.

00:40:44.000 But I could very easily see this being kind of a way to satiate You sort of right-wing conservative anti-China pressure on Congress and to satiate the commercial interests of Facebook, Google, you know, and other major tech companies while simply transferring ownership to a new set of equity holders who themselves, you know, I could see if Sequoia Capital, for example, gets involved in this investor crew, well, they've got major links to, you know, they're technically not a Chinese,

00:41:16.000 you know, A large asset under management financial firm, but they have major links to Chinese investors.

00:41:27.000 If they end up sort of swapping it out, so it's now sort of a Sequoia Capital held rather than ByteDance held, well, then that quells The public pressure around Chinese spyware, but it simply turns it over to the same commercial holders, but basically puts a pretty U.S. face on it at a time when so many of these U.S. entities have these backdoor partnerships with China anyway.

00:41:50.000 So to me, it's not quite clear what this compromise bill on taking on TikTok is actually going to do in terms of moving that needle, but that remains to be seen.

00:42:03.000 So how do you get that same sort of level of pressure on Congress to go after the Facebooks of the world and the Googles of the world?

00:42:09.000 Do they just control too much and they can manipulate the data so badly that it's almost futile?

00:42:14.000 What do you do about the bigger problem?

00:42:17.000 Because the bigger problem is that the guys that say out there, do no harm, are doing a lot of harm.

00:42:26.000 Well, you referenced this yourself when you mentioned the paychecks that members of Congress get from Google.

00:42:30.000 I think it was in 2021, Google officially became the largest corporate lobbyist on the Hill.

00:42:37.000 I think they overtook basically major pharma companies and oil companies as the number...

00:42:43.000 I don't know if they still have that spot, but I know they certainly held it for a time.

00:42:46.000 I imagine it's close. Even if it's not number one, I imagine it's close.

00:42:50.000 It feels like Ukraine's probably number one right now, but after that, it's got to be a close second. 0.92

00:42:56.000 Well, Viktor Pinchuk, the Ukrainian oligarch, was the single largest donor to the Clinton Global Foundation.

00:43:01.000 Of course he was. But, you know, there's, you know, and Google is a top five.

00:43:07.000 I think it's number six right now by market cap in terms of how big that Goliath is.

00:43:11.000 But, you know, you have this going back to that, you know, day one plan on November 9th, 2016 at that TGIF, you know, thank God it's Friday Google meeting about what to do about this election that just happened the night before.

00:43:24.000 One of the questions from the audience, from the Google employees, who are 98% Democrat in terms of their partisan affiliation, one of them was, hey, do we as a company now box out the Republican Party as a show of protest against the Donald Trump election?

00:43:40.000 And again, the response from the Google C-suite was, actually, we're going to go in the opposite direction.

00:43:46.000 I think this was Kent Walker, the chief legal officer who presented this.

00:43:49.000 He said, we don't want to be left out of the conversation on the Hill.

00:43:52.000 We're actually going to probably be more involved with the Republican Party now after this election, but we are going to do that with a means of swaying them.

00:44:00.000 And that's exactly what I mean.

00:44:02.000 I'll post the clips of this actually on my On my X account after this, it's at Mike Ben Cyber, just so everyone sees this.

00:44:09.000 It's amazing. They talked about this all day one, but that's exactly what they proceeded to do.

00:44:14.000 In fact, there were the CPAC conferences during the Trump presidency where Google was one of the major sponsors.

00:44:21.000 I don't know if it still is.

00:44:23.000 I didn't check in over the past one, two years, but they absolutely made good on that.

00:44:27.000 And in fact, Breitbart published a bunch of internal leaks of Google folks talking about the specific reason

00:44:32.000 and arguing against their own employees.

00:44:34.000 No, no, no, we're not supporting Republicans just by paying Republicans.

00:44:37.000 What we're doing is we're lobbying to get them to vote against their own interests.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, well, it's sort of interesting.

00:44:43.000 If you break down and you look at some of those donations, you link them to people who honestly, you'd probably say,

00:44:48.000 hey, they're pretty good on our side.

00:44:49.000 And yet, let's say they're a lot better with sound bites than with reality.

00:44:54.000 So, you know, it's sort of what you get a lot of where it's like, hey, they're still taking the check.

00:44:58.000 They say the right things on TV. They say whatever it may be there, but they don't actually ever push anything that's going to get these other companies in check.

00:45:06.000 And so, you know, I think we have to do a better job of holding our own people, even those who we probably say, hey, they're great.

00:45:12.000 There are a couple of names on that list that was like sort of shocked.

00:45:14.000 I'm like, man, I thought he was really good on the issue until you realize like you're really good on the issue, but you don't actually do anything about it.

00:45:21.000 That may be changing though.

00:45:22.000 I definitely agree with that as it was from 2016 to 2020.

00:45:27.000 I mean, you know, in the first...

00:45:29.000 Two and a half years of Trump's presidency, we had a Republican House and a Republican Senate and the executive branch.

00:45:36.000 And we actually lost on the censorship issue despite having Republican control over all three branches.

00:45:43.000 I think the amount of ground up pressure right now on members of Congress from the base is

00:45:49.000 pretty extraordinary right now on the censorship issue as the collective acknowledgement of

00:45:54.000 how bad it truly is has permeated virtually all Republican voters.

00:46:01.000 Even in the early stages of the censorship industry's formation from 2016 through 2020,

00:46:07.000 it proceeded piecemeal, right?

00:46:08.000 It started with things like hate speech.

00:46:10.000 You said, oh, it was only these bigots and extremists, and then it was disinformation.

00:46:14.000 Okay, it's only if you're sort of adjacent to the Russians or something.

00:46:18.000 And then it started to be like, okay, mail-in ballots, that's really weird.

00:46:25.000 But I guess I don't really have a problem with mail-in ballots.

00:46:28.000 And then it got to be, you know, just basically anybody who had more than a couple thousand followers, you know, found themselves tanked on all platforms, and it became, you know, unavoidable.

00:46:37.000 And so, you know, the fact is, is...

00:46:39.000 Despite Republican control of the House from 2016 to 2018, there was no congressional investigations, no subpoenas, no hearings on Google's role in censorship, in Facebook's role in censorship, in Twitter 1.0's role in censorship, while they were setting up the censorship industry.

00:46:57.000 And while they were banning or throttling hundreds of thousands of pro-MAGA accounts, the House itself, you know, whether that was from lobbying money or whether that was from a lack of collective consciousness, The main thing right now is the collective consciousness, I think, right now is rising in a way that is allowing political action to be feasible now that was not before.

00:47:16.000 And that includes the use of state attorney generals.

00:47:18.000 Ken Paxton in Texas has brought suit against the State Department.

00:47:23.000 They tried to have judges that would We're good to go.

00:47:43.000 Yeah, well, Google was doing all of that re-ranking that you were referring to from that article in 2017.

00:47:50.000 In mid-2017, Google launched something called Project Owl, which is a way to basically kill all access to alternative news on Google searches.

00:47:59.000 They use something called authoritative sources.

00:48:02.000 Mind you, this is not... It's authoritarianism.

00:48:05.000 It's simply only showing posts from authoritative sources.

00:48:09.000 And that meant basically the New York Times.

00:48:10.000 It's like the use of Wikipedia as the gospel according to BS. Right.

00:48:15.000 Exactly. Exactly. And so it was basically a scam.

00:48:18.000 it was a cartel. They set up basically an OPEC for news. If you were a part of the club, you got to

00:48:24.000 be a news producer. If you weren't, you were kicked out of the number one most trafficked website on

00:48:28.000 the entire internet, and you were kicked out of the number two most trafficked website on the

00:48:32.000 internet, YouTube, by proxy. And so that all happened in 2017. If we had a higher level of

00:48:39.000 collective consciousness then, those Google executives should have been dragged in for

00:48:42.000 transcribed interviews by a weaponization type committee or by a house homeland security type

00:48:47.000 committee or by an oversight committee.

00:48:49.000 At the time, whether that was lobbying money or whether that was a lack of collective consciousness or a lack of internal political pressure to do it, it wasn't being done before.

00:48:59.000 But there is a lot of it being done now.

00:49:02.000 And again, you know that it's being effective because the New York Times is saying it's effective.

00:49:07.000 The Washington Post has written three pieces this year bemoaning people fleeing the field of disinformation studies.

00:49:13.000 But I will say, You know, I brief members of Congress fairly frequently, and I do get the sense that they feel the pressure to, even when they personally disagree with funding going towards censorship institutions or being stuffing these bills, they do feel pressure from party leadership to pass those bills, even though they oppose the money going to the censorship industry.

00:49:37.000 So there's still a lot of work left to do.

00:49:39.000 So, you know, obviously people have a good understanding of sort of what the deep state is and what that means, but you often refer and use the phrase the blob to describe intelligence corruption.

00:49:52.000 Talk about the blob versus the deep state and what that all means.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, so that term was actually coined by Ben Rhodes, you know, Barack Obama's Deputy National Security Advisor, when he was describing the Obama administration's battles with permanent Washington.

00:50:10.000 And it's a very useful concept.

00:50:12.000 It refers to the foreign policy establishment.

00:50:14.000 So we basically have two sets of citizens in this country.

00:50:19.000 We have the citizens of the American homeland that's here in the continental, you know, U.S. plus, you know, Alaska, Hawaii.

00:50:26.000 And then we have this great big American empire and the class of people within the US government and the stakeholders on the private sector side who are kind of the managers of the American empire.

00:50:38.000 So you have this distinction between the citizens of the homeland and the managers of the empire.

00:50:43.000 And throughout the entire 20th century, the foreign policy establishment had this license to do dirty tricks abroad in other countries in order to secure the interests and a middle-class welfare for the citizens of the homeland.

00:50:59.000 For example, in 1948, we renamed the War Department to the Department of Defense.

00:51:04.000 We established the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:51:06.000 We began rigging elections all around the world.

00:51:09.000 We rigged the Italian election in 1948.

00:51:11.000 The CIA wrote a memo 12 days later and said, hey, we needed to do this and we need to do this basically in every plot of dirt on the globe because it's a big bad world out there and we want to make it the American century and we need a professional department of dirty tricks.

00:51:25.000 As long as it's not used against the American people, it'll be in their interest.

00:51:28.000 And you can make the argument. That the foreign policy establishment, the blobs, dirty deeds abroad is why we had cheap gas, is why we had these export markets for American steel and copper and aluminum.

00:51:40.000 It's why we had, you know, access to rare earth minerals.

00:51:44.000 It's why we were able to have multinational corporations because any government who opposed them would have the State Department come down on them and pass sanctions, or the Pentagon go in and take a certain territory with its natural resources, or the CIA go and overthrow the government.

00:51:59.000 Or control their internal media ecosystem.

00:52:01.000 Those are sort of the three main stars of this show.

00:52:05.000 It's the Pentagon, the State Department, and the CIA, the intelligence community, if you will.

00:52:10.000 And then there are corporate and financial donors and drafters on the outside of it.

00:52:16.000 So those will be the blue-chip multinational companies in the Chamber of Commerce, as well as the sort of Wall Street, George Soros, Bill Browder class.

00:52:26.000 And those forces have a lot of Sway over personnel who gets plucked into the Pentagon and State Department and Intelligence Services.

00:52:36.000 But the main thing about the blob is it was given these foreign-facing Department of Dirty Tricks powers in order to be able to overthrow governments in the name of democracy.

00:52:47.000 And then a funny thing happened on the way to the election of Donald Trump, which was they lost control over the internal affairs of The Blob had serious control over the media in the 20th century. 0.76

00:53:04.000 You can make an argument that even mass media itself, yellow journalism, which really started during the Spanish-American War, was in league with the War Department in creating the predicate to invade Cuba and to take the Philippines.

00:53:22.000 This is basically what Citizen Kane is about.

00:53:25.000 You know, the sort of Hearst Media Empire.

00:53:27.000 And then you had the entire mainstream media apparatus that existed at the time in print and in radio and in early TV rolled up into the Pentagon's Office of War Information in 1942.

00:53:39.000 Then you had all the veterans of all three of the big three media channels, ABC, NBC, and CBS, were all Office of War Information veterans for the, you know, Basically, the progenitors of broadcast TV media had this backdoor Pentagon channel.

00:53:56.000 You had the famous Operation Mockingbird with the CIA having 10 to 12 editorial slots on the New York Times and 800 pages.

00:54:04.000 I think we're good to go.

00:54:21.000 We just saw this two weeks ago when the CIA invited the New York Times onto top secret, not declassified military bases on the outer edge of Ukraine, just so that the New York Times could print a story putting pressure on Mike Johnson not to refuse Ukraine funding.

00:54:37.000 There was always a back door.

00:54:40.000 Until internet freedom got to a point of maturity where citizen journalists could outperform legacy media in terms of swaying hearts and minds.

00:54:50.000 And when that happened, we're living in this period of the revenge of the blob where they're trying to reassert in the digital realm the kinds of control they had over media that they had in the 20th century.

00:55:01.000 Because it's interesting you said Ben Rhodes from Obama's administration actually had a problem with it because it feels like whether it's the blob or the deep state, they so much seem to be doing the bidding of the Democrat Party and are much more simpatico to that sort of crazy mindset these days.

00:55:17.000 But I guess it transcends all of that and it's just about power and control?

00:55:24.000 That's sort of interesting to me because I look at those guys as being the people that are actually in control.

00:55:28.000 I don't look at it as a Democrat thing at all, actually.

00:55:31.000 I mean, it obviously is manifesting itself as overwhelmingly Democrat at this moment in history.

00:55:36.000 And the reasons for that have to do with how Trump rose to power, essentially.

00:55:42.000 Trump didn't just knock out the Clinton dynasty.

00:55:44.000 He knocked out the Bush dynasty.

00:55:45.000 In fact, in a way, he was more cruel and severe to the Bush side than he was to the Clinton side insofar as repudiating everything that they were ever famous for, the Iraq War, the militarism and focus on foreign interventionism.

00:56:04.000 I talk about this a lot when I talk about the Yankee-Cowboy War that existed between the – in the 20th century, you had this divide between Democrats and Republicans where you sort of had this Yankee class for the Democrats, which was sort of high finance from Wall Street and London, and then you had that sort of stretching into this northeast corridor power sector, and then you had that pitted against this sort of cowboy Republican class of military energy and chamber of commerce companies.

00:56:34.000 And, you know, they were jockeying for junior versus senior position for the entirety of the 20th century, basically from Truman until Trump, when Trump came along and knocked them both out, which basically forced them into an alliance with each other in order to oust domestic populism.

00:56:54.000 And it is domestic populism.

00:56:56.000 I mean, I have no doubt that if Bernie Sanders had stuck to his 2016 guns and had somehow made his way into the presidency, that this would manifest itself as a sort of, you know, GOP, CIA-led thing rather than a DNC one in the sense that...

00:57:12.000 They went after Bernie very, very hard and played a lot of dirty tricks on him because he was arguing against war funding.

00:57:20.000 He was arguing against foreign interventions because he wanted all the money that was going to the Pentagon and the CIA and the State Department to go to fund universal health care and free tuition in colleges.

00:57:28.000 And this is something that we saw in the 1960s and 70s as well, when you had this very strong anti-communist CIA, oil industry, chamber of commerce, blob capacity, which was overthrowing left-wing governments around the world.

00:57:43.000 And then in the 1960s and 70s, they started to do that against rising left-wing populist movements who were anti-imperialism, We're anti-war, anti-Vietnam.

00:57:53.000 And so the CIA started interfering in Democrat Party politics.

00:57:56.000 And you had factions of the DNC. You basically had a DNC civil war.

00:58:01.000 And then you had almost all of the Republican Party on board for doing this.

00:58:04.000 We're living in sort of the inverse of that right now.

00:58:07.000 And look, I mean, even at the beginning of this segment, when we talked about the New York Times...

00:58:12.000 Well, when we just talked about the New York Times saying, you know, the deep state is totally awesome, and I mentioned John McLaughlin, the CIA director, who said, thank God for the deep state, and I was saying, name the difference between the CIA and the New York Times.

00:58:25.000 Well, John McLaughlin was George Bush's CIA director.

00:58:29.000 Michael V. Hayden was George Bush's CIA NSA four-star general.

00:58:34.000 Liz Cheney led the January 6th sham charade there.

00:58:40.000 It's... This is about the blob and it spoils.

00:58:45.000 And the problem is, is when MAGA came came along, it forced it reduced the neoconservative wing of the Republican Party down to a tiny little fraction of the power it once had.

00:58:56.000 And so it went running over to the DNC in order to basically lend the resources that they have in

00:59:02.000 the military, the resources they have in the energy space, the resources they have in the

00:59:05.000 Chamber of Commerce to create this, you know, kind of DNC dominant coalition that, you know,

00:59:13.000 that goes, manifests itself in the mass censorship and indictments of Trump-affiliated populists,

00:59:20.000 not Republicans writ large. So what do you expect to see censorship-wise this

00:59:26.000 What role will the Supreme Court's decision in Murphy versus Missouri have in the future of censorship or government collusion with people who are willing to censor or, you know, the big online agencies?

00:59:39.000 Yeah, so the censorship industry right now is in the middle of a restructuring.

00:59:43.000 They took a lot of body blows last year, starting from late 2022 into the current moment, where the initial role of the government was the quarterback of something that they called the whole of society counter-misinformation model.

01:00:00.000 But it's just censorship. They're not countering it through counter-speech.

01:00:02.000 They're countering it by having all these different institutions do their part in censorship.

01:00:06.000 And those four categories of institutions are the government, We're good to go.

01:00:28.000 Put pressure on the various other institutions in society in order to effectuate that, whether that's through ad boycotts, whether that's through changing terms of service and whatnot.

01:00:37.000 And the U.S. federal government was really the quarterback of that whole society from 2018 through 2022.

01:00:47.000 Nobody really knew what it was doing except a very small handful of people.

01:00:51.000 It had not been scandalized.

01:00:53.000 It had high hopes to be able to scale that Ad infinitum to be able to control citizen discourse on every sensitive policy issue.

01:01:01.000 But then it suffered again these sort of body blows over the past 15 months.

01:01:05.000 And so they're restructuring it right now to instead of having the government sort of play the number one quarterback role to stuff, you know, basically do an elaborate laundering operation where they have the civil society organizations function, you know, the sort of NGO class function.

01:01:21.000 Function as the government and imbuing those NGOs, stuffing them with government officials, stuffing them, you know, with all the capacities that used to be inside DHS, that used to be, you know, strictly inside the Pentagon or the State Department or the National Science Foundation.

01:01:37.000 And so, you know, they're trying to basically restructure the censorship industry so that the government's role is less visible, but it still reflects the whole of government consensus.

01:01:47.000 But really where it's going to come down to is, you know, How much of every bit of laundering they have to do makes things less efficient from their side.

01:01:56.000 It means they need to guard their communications.

01:01:58.000 They need to speak in code.

01:01:59.000 They need to set up little shell companies.

01:02:01.000 They need to move things around and do funny business with how money moves.

01:02:05.000 It makes it less efficient than just being able to have one email from DHS. You know, activate 100 different censorship mercenary firms in the in the in the censorship industry, 60 different universities who are all in the payroll of the government and, you know, 120 different.

01:02:20.000 But they're still going to try. Oh, absolutely.

01:02:23.000 And that's a professional job now.

01:02:25.000 You know, they this is this is something that they've argued trying to get rid of Internet censorship is like shutting down a coal mine in West Virginia.

01:02:32.000 It would put too many Americans out of jobs.

01:02:34.000 I mean, they literally argue that that that is their livelihood now.

01:02:37.000 You can't take it away from us.

01:02:39.000 But it's going to come down to some of the new tricks that they're doing.

01:02:42.000 They're expecting...

01:02:44.000 They're ready for a not great result at the Supreme Court level, and they're counting on two things at this point, which are the boomerang, the transatlantic flank attack I call from Europe, which is this new NATO censorship law, which is going to...

01:02:58.000 If US social media companies like Rumble and Twitter want to keep a European market, they're going to need to comply with these new disinformation regulations.

01:03:06.000 And then the second one is state-level censorship laws.

01:03:09.000 You have one by one, I think there's been four or five different blue states just this year who've passed these sort of state-level censorship laws around so-called digital literacy or media literacy.

01:03:19.000 So they're moving into other organs of state power as they're losing control over the pure federal government.

01:03:27.000 So, you know, when you talk about, I've seen you speak about the Transition Integrity Project, you know, what is that exactly?

01:03:34.000 You know, I understand the House Oversight Committee is actually launching an investigation into the group.

01:03:39.000 From my understanding, it relates to some sort of domestic color revolution.

01:03:43.000 But, you know, what is it so people can be on the lookout?

01:03:48.000 Because it's some of these things that are going on sort of under the scenes that are negative.

01:03:52.000 People just sort of, they cover it up, they hide it, and we'll never actually hear about it.

01:03:56.000 It's really one of the craziest scandals in American history.

01:03:59.000 You mentioned that a lot of people refer to it as being a domestic color revolution incubator.

01:04:05.000 Just to flesh out what that means, we just talked about the blob, how we imbued, starting in the 1940s, a department of dirty tricks power within our CIA, within our Pentagon, within our State Department, to be able to overthrow foreign governments in order to You know, pry open their markets, take their natural resources, control their internal media, make them vassal states of the U.S., you know, as we see was done in Ukraine.

01:04:29.000 You know, we overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014.

01:04:32.000 We installed, you know, a new prime minister, a new president there.

01:04:36.000 What could go wrong? You know, we then took, you know, control over their shale resources.

01:04:40.000 We then privatized their companies.

01:04:42.000 You know, we, you know, this is a tale as old as time.

01:04:45.000 We've been doing that for 80 years.

01:04:48.000 We have a playbook for doing that, which is sometimes referred to as a color revolution.

01:04:53.000 This is named after the sort of color-coded...

01:04:55.000 There's two ways to overthrow a government.

01:04:57.000 One of them is through a military coup.

01:04:58.000 And this is the way things were done, you know, sort of the 1800s, early 1900s, which

01:05:03.000 is, you know, the military has the guns.

01:05:06.000 So you just bribe a sufficient quorum of the military generals, and they just roll in with

01:05:11.000 tanks, take the palace, and then boom, you have a new government under military rule.

01:05:15.000 That was the classical way of overthrowing governments.

01:05:17.000 And then a new technique was developed in the 20th century to be able to, instead of

01:05:21.000 a top-down military coup, to do a bottom-up people-powered revolution, which basically

01:05:26.000 involves destabilizing the country, depriving the government of financial resources so that

01:05:33.000 its police and military are unable to control protests, and then creating mass street protests

01:05:39.000 and walkouts of all the industries, and using those protests as sort of a functional military

01:05:46.000 And so the end stage of a color revolution looks like You know, 200,000 people surrounding the parliament building, running the president out of office, running the elected officials out of office, and a new democratic state, you know, which is evidenced by how many people are on the ground, takes, you know, takes control of the government.

01:06:04.000 This is, for example, what happened in Ukraine with the so-called, you know, Euromaidan, you know, square.

01:06:09.000 You know, this was the Maidan revolution.

01:06:11.000 This was the major square.

01:06:13.000 The parliament building, where hundreds of thousands of people on U.S. State Department payroll, Victoria Nuland said that the State Department pumped $5 billion into those groups and then activated them as a rental riot the moment the democratically elected President Yanukovych refused an IMF trade deal.

01:06:31.000 But this is what we did to overthrow Trump.

01:06:37.000 Milosevic in Serbia in the late 1990s.

01:06:42.000 Slobodan Milosevic was a group who was ousted in one of these color revolution things.

01:06:46.000 Again, we had 100,000 people who were on U.S. payroll, who were working with these trade labor unions, who were collaborating with the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:06:55.000 The State Department paid those political opposition protesters $77 million to do this.

01:07:01.000 It goes a long way in a poor country, by the way.

01:07:04.000 And so, you know, this ability to do mass rent-a-riot protests, grinding the government to a halt, and then in the crisis of that, saying, well, you know, this president has no legitimacy, and you know that because it's all the street muscle of, you know, everyone on the ground wants, you see what the people want because they're in the streets.

01:07:25.000 And this is a very special set of skills that our blob has.

01:07:28.000 We've done this in about 85 different countries over the past years.

01:07:32.000 It's hard to find a non-NATO ally that we haven't done this to.

01:07:37.000 And the thing about the Transition Integrity Project is it was consistent of the exact same class of people who do that task.

01:07:47.000 That is, Rosa Brooks was the head of it. 0.99

01:07:49.000 Rosa Brooks was a senior Pentagon official under the Obama administration who had a CIA blue badge.

01:07:55.000 It was a bunch of four-star military generals.

01:07:59.000 It was folks like John Podesta, who was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager and now is in charge of the largest slush fund in the U.S. government, a $370 billion energy slush fund to pay off essentially Biden cronies with a virtually unlimited amount of taxpayer funds to do so.

01:08:15.000 And what they did is, this is in June 2020, This is right around the time the mail-in ballot voting process was being codified, and we knew that that was the way for the first time in American history that there'd be universal mass mail-in ballots.

01:08:33.000 There have been scandals around mail-in ballots since the Civil War.

01:08:36.000 I think in the 1862 election, there were scandals about the use of mail-in ballots.

01:08:40.000 It had never been something. I was told it was the safest and securest election ever.

01:08:45.000 Well, you were told that by Chris Krebs at CISA, who was simultaneously running the government's censorship control center.

01:08:51.000 You know, this is one of the dirty underbellies of that whole story, is that the...

01:08:55.000 The cyber agency in charge of administering the election was the same agency in charge of censoring the election and the tens of millions of social media posts that they pre-censored in advance in order to stop the delegitimization.

01:09:10.000 This was the terms of service that the federal government forced on all of the major tech platforms,

01:09:14.000 YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Twitch, Reddit.

01:09:19.000 They had 15 different platforms that they forced to install this terms of service policy

01:09:23.000 called delegitimization.

01:09:24.000 Now, mind you, these are professional election delegitimizers, right?

01:09:28.000 They're the ones who led Russiagate.

01:09:30.000 You know, Russia just had an election earlier this week.

01:09:32.000 No matter what you think of it, you can go to every single one of their Twitter accounts

01:09:35.000 right now and you will see them saying, that was not a real election.

01:09:37.000 That was not real.

01:09:38.000 These are professional.

01:09:39.000 But they understand the importance of creating a sense of delegitimization to be able to overthrow,

01:09:45.000 Because these color revolutions take place often immediately after elections when they use the argument, well, it wasn't a fair election, so we should be the new government because it's unclear how the results went, but we know who the people want because the people are out in the streets.

01:10:02.000 So this group is hodgepodge of CIA, military, State Department officials, plus their political stakeholders on both sides.

01:10:11.000 Because Donna Brazile, the former DNC chairwoman, plus Michael Steele, the former GOP, RNC chairman, were both a part of the Transition Integrity Project.

01:10:22.000 Now, again, that's basically the Democrat Party.

01:10:24.000 I had the Democrat Party and the head of the Never Trump wing of the GOP teamed up with The Blob. 0.64

01:10:31.000 In order to simulate a domestic color revolution if Trump were to win the election.

01:10:36.000 How involved was this around like, you know, even J6? How much of the blob was involved in sort of pushing this notion of, you know, a violent insurrection?

01:10:46.000 I mean, it's the first violent insurrection in the history of the world that no one was armed except for the tour guides.

01:10:53.000 I assume it's all part of the same thing.

01:10:55.000 It feels like the story about the bombs at the RNC and the DNC disappeared faster than they would if they weren't successful in their other endeavors.

01:11:05.000 The whole thing, none of it adds up.

01:11:08.000 Well, it's funny you mention that because, you know, the Transition Integrity Project ran four different tabletop simulations, role-playing, you know, how to make sure Biden was the president no matter what happened.

01:11:21.000 And, you know, these involved Trump, you know, scenario one was like Trump loses, but he doesn't leave office.

01:11:27.000 Scenario two was like too close to tell.

01:11:29.000 Scenario three was called, quote, clear Trump win, which meant Trump wins the Electoral College.

01:11:35.000 He wins it by so much that we can't contest it.

01:11:38.000 How can we still, you know, orchestrate a sort of domestic color revolution where they openly contemplated, you know, the George Floyd riots had just broken out in May, and this was held in June.

01:11:49.000 And they specifically, in their own scenario three, We're good to go.

01:12:11.000 So this is basically an open, you know, color revolution call to arms.

01:12:16.000 If they took one step in furtherance, if they sent one email in furtherance of that plan, then that's 10 years for conspiracy, you know, for, you know, basically a conspiracy to You know, obstruct a federal proceeding in probably another 10 years for conspiracy against rights.

01:12:33.000 It's the exact same thing that they accused 20 Trump lawyers of being involved in in Georgia, except on absolute steroids.

01:12:40.000 They even contemplated the alternate elector scam that forms the basis of that Georgia suit.

01:12:46.000 But the other thing that they said, which is interesting, is part of the plan that they had was to, quote, Induce a breakdown on January 6th.

01:12:56.000 They actually mentioned January 6th in the TIP Color Revolution Simulator that they would provoke a breakdown in the ratification of that day and essentially use that chaos to say, well, there's no ratification.

01:13:10.000 You know, of the votes.

01:13:11.000 And so Trump won't be inaugurated on January 20th because of the mess around January 6th.

01:13:17.000 And then there's, you know, a lot of very strange issues with January 6th that we could, you know, we could get into, obviously.

01:13:24.000 But, you know, that's even TIP openly contemplated several references.

01:13:30.000 This is, mind you, this is in June 2020, about the ways that they could deny a Trump presidency by inducing a breakdown in Congress that very day.

01:13:40.000 So, you know, we spoke a little bit about artificial intelligence at the beginning of the interview, but will AI fuel this information of warfare?

01:13:48.000 I mean, how fearful should we be of AI, or can we actually use it as an asset?

01:13:53.000 I mean, do we, on our side, not sort of controlling tech, do we have a chance of actually, you know, utilizing it for good, or are the powers that be that control it so far gone that it's really more of a threat than anything?

01:14:06.000 Yeah. Well, it's important to note that AI is already here.

01:14:10.000 This is not, you know, AI with respect to drone technology or Neuralink type stuff, you know, maybe this sort of far off fanciful might happen, might not.

01:14:19.000 But with respect to internet censorship, make no mistake, I mean, this was, AI censorship was rolled out by Google's Jigsaw, basically Google, Google Jigsaw is basically Google's CIA branch.

01:14:29.000 It was actually created by Jared Cohen, who was the guy who was Condoleezza Rice's, you know, You know, basically special operator within the policy planning staff at the State Department.

01:14:42.000 He came up with something called the doctrine of digital statecraft, which was, you know, he was a young guy who was brought in at like 26 years old to be able to provide the older fuddy-duddies at the CIA with what the kids are up to these days, because youth Youth street muscle is such an important part of regime change operations.

01:15:04.000 The CIA will frequently work with student groups or young people because those are the ones who are more willing to take to the streets.

01:15:11.000 They've got more energy.

01:15:13.000 They have less to lose. They have more to gain if they have promised to be a part of the new government post-coup.

01:15:18.000 It feels organic. Right, right.

01:15:21.000 You know, and so this is, you know, this is a tale as old as time in terms of, you know, so he was a guy who was working with youth movements and then was brought into this coordinating center between the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:15:31.000 And he came up with this idea of doing revolutions over social media.

01:15:35.000 You know, in the 20th century, these revolutions were all orchestrated out of U.S. embassies and consulates and CIA station houses.

01:15:44.000 He said, well, listen, all the people, all the young people we want to recruit right now, You know, in 2008, he was coming up with this doctrine, and he was saying, they're all on Facebook, they're all on Twitter, they're all making YouTube videos.

01:15:54.000 If we want to get 100,000 people on the street, we can just do it with a hashtag.

01:15:58.000 You don't need to run, you know, black duffel bags with unmarked bills to, you know, to a couple leaders who give it to 12 lieutenants, who give it to 100 people, who give it to 1,000 people.

01:16:06.000 We can do this.

01:16:08.000 We can do rental riots on steroids simply by running it out of Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.

01:16:12.000 And this was credited, this doctrine was credited with causing the Arab Spring, which is where one by one, all these adversary governments of the Obama administration, Tunisia and Egypt, the whole Middle East or North Africa were in there, were all toppled using Facebook and Twitter revolutions, which were intermediated by State Department funds and USAID funds and the National Endowment for Democracy, which is a But this exact guy, Jared Cohen, who came up with that and was credited with basically kicking off the Arab Spring, his very next job was at Google Jigsaw,

01:16:45.000 which was a one-person think tank, it started out, just to how to use Google's proprietary resources to solve complex geopolitical problems.

01:16:54.000 And Julian Assange called this the moment that Google became the shadow State Department.

01:17:00.000 And Google Jigsaw, right after the 2016 election, took this DARPA technology, this Pentagon technology that was created to be able to do speech detection of ISIS groups.

01:17:10.000 Because in 2014, ISIS was said to be recruiting on Facebook and Twitter.

01:17:14.000 DARPA had this big program for being able to take the dialect of Of ISIS supporters.

01:17:20.000 You know, what prefixes and suffixes they use, what hashtags, what words, what slang, what rhetoric is associated with this belief system.

01:17:28.000 This is a technique called natural language processing.

01:17:31.000 And Google Jigsaw took this Pentagon military technology for being able to mass survey and mass censor ISIS terrorists and deployed it straight on MAGA. In fact, the very first iteration of Google Jigsaw's perspective AI, which was the first retail weapon of mass deletion, was trained on three models.

01:17:54.000 The Trump movement around the 2016 election, the Brexit movement around the UK referendum, and the third one was just generic climate change.

01:18:03.000 But then that came to be scaled and used to censor COVID, for dissent around the war in Ukraine, to censor abortion issues, immigration issues.

01:18:14.000 There became a pop-up censorship mercenary firms in the AI space Because this became, you know, basically there was a gold rush for who could be the best weapon of mass deletion developer in the same way that there became a sort of gold rush during the Manhattan Project period.

01:18:30.000 And after, after we dropped two bombs on Japan in World War II, we didn't stop there. 0.63

01:18:34.000 The weapons technology development continued with hydrogen bombs.

01:18:37.000 And, you know, for 10, 15 years afterwards, we were still, you know, developing that.

01:18:42.000 And, you know, the There's ultimately got to be some sort of nuclear disarmament with the use of AI censorship because the tool is so powerful that it can be used as a sort of God button to completely kill any sort of dissent, which is why the State Department loves it so much, by the way. So what should a second Trump administration do to combat this kind of stuff?

01:19:02.000 If you had the power, can that come from the president at this point?

01:19:06.000 Or is it too far gone to actually, do you need more than just that even at this point?

01:19:12.000 What you could do with a single pen stroke is basically copy the template that was used by the late Trump administration around DEI. If you remember, I think it was like October 2020 or something.

01:19:25.000 It's pretty late in the game, but Trump did an executive order around I think it was around federal contracting for companies that had these crazy diversity programs that were hugely discriminatory and had an immediate impact.

01:19:40.000 You had tens of thousands of these DEI consulting firms who were immediately cut off from their corporations because the corporations could no longer qualify for government grants and contracts because of their association with these discriminatory organizations.

01:19:54.000 You can do the exact same thing with AI censorship.

01:19:58.000 You can say anybody who uses newsguards, you know, machine-readable AI censorship scripts, anybody uses logically AI's, you know, AI censorship superweapons, anybody who uses Google Jigsaw's AI censorship superweapons, I mean, there's tens of thousands of these groups now because there's been a billion dollars in DARPA and National Science Foundation funding into all of this.

01:20:19.000 This is actually the subject of a congressional investigation just a month ago.

01:20:23.000 You know, Jim Jordan's committee did subpoenas into the National Science Foundation in an 85-page report on this.

01:20:29.000 Dan Bishop's House Homeland Security Committee did a full hearing on this.

01:20:33.000 You know, they spent $100 million just on funding AI censorship superweapons to target Trump supporters, COVID critics, and other sort of, you know, heterodox groups targeted by By the blob.

01:20:46.000 So, I mean, you could do the same thing with one pen stroke.

01:20:48.000 The fact is, is if you were to get rid of government funding in this space, it would, if not collapse overnight, it would basically topple the Jenga Tower, because this is not an organic market.

01:20:58.000 This is something that- Right.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, it's a subsidized market, and if you get rid of those government subsidies, you collapse the market, and it'll still be there a little bit.

01:21:10.000 There will still be some enthusiasts, so to speak, but unless their arm is twisted by the mafia, or should we say just the Biden world, they're not going to use it as a commercial choice.

01:21:22.000 Wow. A lot to think about there.

01:21:25.000 That's pretty scary, Mike, but I appreciate you breaking sort of all of this stuff down for us.

01:21:29.000 Obviously, as some of this comes back out and more of it sort of manifests itself, we've got to have you back on because I feel like we could probably spend an hour going down each one of these individual rabbit holes, but it's pretty amazing.

01:21:42.000 Can you let our audience know where they can find you, where they can see your stuff, where they can follow and sort of just educate themselves as well?

01:21:49.000 Yep, so the best place is on X, at Mike Ben Cyber.

01:21:52.000 I post like 30 times a day there.

01:21:54.000 All reports and everything go through my X account.

01:21:57.000 I do have a Rumble account.

01:21:58.000 It's Mike Ben Cyber, and I sort of use that as an archive for a lot of the videos that I do.

01:22:03.000 And my foundation is FoundationForFreedomOnline.com.

01:22:06.000 We publish investigative reports around the intrigues of the censorship industry.

01:22:10.000 Well, Mike, really appreciate you being on here.

01:22:12.000 Like I said, we'll have to do that again because...

01:22:14.000 Man, both scary as hell, but a lot to unpackage.

01:22:19.000 And I think the more we're actually talking about it, the more people understand just what's going on, just how badly they're being manipulated, just how powerful it is, you know, hopefully wakes people up and they start actually combating it.

01:22:29.000 So thanks so much for being here, man.

01:22:30.000 Really appreciate it. And chin up.

01:22:32.000 We have momentum now in a way that we never had before.

01:22:34.000 So, you know, if there's a white pill at the end, I think it's that.

01:22:37.000 But thanks again for your time and would love to run it back.

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AI Mass Surveillance and the Next Chapter of Censorship, Live with Cyber Expert Mike Benz | TRIGGERED Ep.121

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