Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - America’s Health Crisis: It’s Time to MAHA, Interview with Calley Means | TRIGGERED Ep.196

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00:06:11.000 Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.

00:06:15.000 And today, we're going to do a deep dive into all things Maha.

00:06:20.000 Make America healthy again.

00:06:21.000 We'll be joined by Kelly Means, who you probably have seen on shows like Joe Rogan, etc.

00:06:27.000 He's been one of the biggest proponents of the efforts to overhaul the way we think about healthy food in this entire country and to actually reform our agencies and reform how we conduct oversight of the food and drug industry.

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00:07:47.000 Philip, great to have you back on the show.

00:07:49.000 Let's hear about it.

00:07:51.000 My father is telling the BRIC nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China, that they risk 100% tariffs if they proceed with the plans to create a new international currency.

00:08:05.000 Do you think that that will make the BRICs abandon their de-dollarization projects? 0.93

00:08:10.000 Look, it is very, at least we have an administration or an incumbent administration talking about what is the biggest economic problem.

00:08:18.000 So we haven't had that for four years.

00:08:21.000 We've had denial.

00:08:22.000 Your father clearly is making it a priority to address.

00:08:25.000 Look, I think tariffs in on itself or in on themselves won't do the job, right?

00:08:31.000 There's two reasons the world is de-dollarizing.

00:08:35.000 One is weaponization and the other is devaluation.

00:08:39.000 So I think This kind of reinforces the idea that the dollar is a yoke.

00:08:43.000 I think longer term, we're going to need carrots as well as sticks, and carrots will come in the form of a stable US dollar.

00:08:50.000 I think that will be the key to maintaining global reserve.

00:08:54.000 Yeah, so what can we do to ensure that the dollar retains its global reserve currency status?

00:08:59.000 Obviously, a lot of people don't trust China, the manipulation that they have, etc., etc.

00:09:03.000 What can we do?

00:09:05.000 Look, I think the key thing here is to try and curb the spending, and that's why the Doge department spending is a big priority for the incoming administration.

00:09:15.000 It's going to be a tough job, though.

00:09:19.000 What your father has inherited in terms of deficits is incredible.

00:09:24.000 Outside of that, there's two ways out of a deficit issue.

00:09:29.000 One is growth, And the other is austerity.

00:09:32.000 You know, Donald Trump is a businessman.

00:09:34.000 He's a growth guy, which is going to require spending.

00:09:37.000 The key here is the Republicans and the administration will spend more productively than the Democrats.

00:09:44.000 So the key here is that longer term GDP growth will outpace debt growth.

00:09:49.000 But I think it's going to take a long time to do it.

00:09:52.000 So the hope is the administration can lay the groundwork and sow the seeds so that we get there in the future.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I think growth is so critical, but in light of these economic tensions, how should everyday Americans position their savings?

00:10:06.000 Look, I think we need to be looking at precious metals in this climate.

00:10:10.000 Anybody who has their retirement entirely exposed to the US dollar needs some measure of a hedge.

00:10:17.000 On top of that, inflation, although coming down, still very sticky.

00:10:22.000 Many economic indicators are suggesting, you know, Trump maybe handed a recession On day one of the administration.

00:10:30.000 So we've got a tough four years in front of us.

00:10:33.000 There's no better man to lead the country.

00:10:35.000 But I think precious metals will be a very useful hedge as we start to iron out the problems.

00:10:42.000 Well, Philip, thank you so much.

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00:11:46.000 Again, that's TNUSA.com slash Don Jr. Joining me now, the founder of TrueMed, co-author with his sister of the book, Good Energy.

00:11:56.000 He's an expert on chronic disease policy.

00:11:59.000 He's unafraid, perhaps most importantly, to speak the truth, Callie Means.

00:12:05.000 Callie, thanks so much for being here.

00:12:07.000 I'm honored to be here, Don.

00:12:08.000 So, you know, a lot to get into, obviously.

00:12:10.000 This is a big thing.

00:12:11.000 There's so many people in our movement.

00:12:13.000 It was such a big part, frankly, I think, of this election, joining forces with Bobby Kennedy for all the things he was talking about.

00:12:19.000 But first off, you know, I'd like to get your thoughts on just how this Maha coalition, you know, came together.

00:12:26.000 I know you were a part of it.

00:12:27.000 I know I was back channeling a lot.

00:12:28.000 Would love to hear that.

00:12:29.000 How did this issue really, you know, come to a head?

00:12:33.000 Why did it take so long?

00:12:35.000 It feels like such a unique political moment.

00:12:39.000 So my story here is two things.

00:12:41.000 My sister was in the medical system, Stanford Medical School, NIH research, you know, surgical residency.

00:12:47.000 And she came to the conclusion after 12 years that, you know, everything we're doing hospital work on is interventions after people get sick.

00:12:55.000 95% of all medical spending is actually just basically profiting hospitals and pharma once people already get sick.

00:13:01.000 And she started asking, why are people getting sick?

00:13:03.000 So it had a big impact on me as a former food and pharma lobbyist seeing these companies rig the system.

00:13:09.000 And then for us, it was brought together with our mom, who abruptly gets cancer in 2021. Excuse me.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, 2021 dies 12 days later.

00:13:17.000 But she was on five other medications and it was unlucky that she got cancer.

00:13:20.000 But Don, especially among kids, cancer rates are exploding.

00:13:23.000 They're like five X up in the past 40 years. 1.00

00:13:26.000 Every chronic disease is going up.

00:13:28.000 So we had these personal experiences that brought us to really this political, I think, Realization we all have, which is that people are suffering out there.

00:13:35.000 People are getting sick.

00:13:36.000 American children are getting sick, as you talk so eloquently about.

00:13:40.000 And I think two things happen from my perspective.

00:13:42.000 You know, as my sister and I started talking with Tucker about this, talking with Megyn Kelly, going on the podcast, seeing it resonate.

00:13:48.000 We met Bobby Kennedy and Susie Wiles and Vince Haley from the Trump campaign, you know, more than a year ago reached out.

00:13:54.000 They said the president's focused on this.

00:13:56.000 We're thinking about it.

00:13:57.000 And my sister and I shared some talking points.

00:13:59.000 So many people don't know this, but your dad spoke extremely eloquently about this issue, about why kids are getting so sick throughout the campaign.

00:14:09.000 Actually, you know, worked with Vince and Susie, and they were really inspired by your dad's focus on this.

00:14:14.000 But he was saying that since the beginning, that we've got to figure this out.

00:14:18.000 And then got to know Bobby as well.

00:14:20.000 Obviously, Bobby, to me, he was hitting on a ma-ha-maga message. 0.99

00:14:25.000 I mean, to me, there were two candidates in this campaign that were talking about a much wider thing than partisan politics, but really just the corruption of our systems.

00:14:34.000 And what Bobby did really well is talk about this incentive of kids to be sick and how that's actually representation of the swamp.

00:14:40.000 So there was a moment after the Butler shooting I was actually talking with Tucker.

00:14:47.000 And I've become really, Tucker, as you probably know, is really focused on this issue.

00:14:52.000 And we had an idea of, you know, maybe Bobby and your dad, maybe that was the moment where they could talk.

00:14:57.000 So I was able to facilitate that connection to talk about unity right after the Butler shooting.

00:15:01.000 Had a small insight into those discussions.

00:15:04.000 And Don, you know, you were much closer to this, but from my limited vantage point, it was pretty inspiring just seeing them connect on this emotional level about why so many kids have prediabetes, about Why we have the most obese country, particularly among kids in the world, about why we spend three times more on healthcare but have, you know, six years less life expectancy.

00:15:23.000 They really talked about these issues.

00:15:25.000 And then I think what you saw with this MAHA movement, I mean, when Bobby Kennedy came out there on the stage in Phoenix, it was the loudest cheer I ever heard.

00:15:33.000 And the way the MAGA movement embraced Kennedy was not surprising to me, but certainly I think a shift in American politics.

00:15:40.000 Yeah, I felt the same thing.

00:15:41.000 So, you know, one of my closest friends is, you know, very close friends with Bobby's son, who's like, you guys actually would get along great.

00:15:48.000 You should actually meet, because you're actually talking about so much of the same thing.

00:15:51.000 And it felt like, you know, the Democrats were trying to basically split that vote.

00:15:55.000 I'm like, why don't we get them together?

00:15:56.000 Trump's, you know, obviously would be great on XYZ. Bobby on the health stuff, just...

00:16:00.000 It has gone so far down the rabbit hole in a positive way.

00:16:03.000 I mean, you know, you guys, you and your sister especially, I mean, her coming from literally medicine, you coming from the lobbying side.

00:16:09.000 I mean, you guys know how the sausage is made.

00:16:12.000 You understand how bad it is that a country of America's prosperity and wealth could still have these terrible results.

00:16:18.000 What are the values that drive your mission in the Maha movement to make America healthy again?

00:16:27.000 You know, it really is the tie between Maha, MAGA, and frankly, DOGE. And let me explain that.

00:16:32.000 So, to me, my read on why your dad is the seminal historical figure of our time is because he's tapped into, I think, the most important societal dynamic of our time, which is that Our institutions are really rigged against us.

00:16:45.000 I mean, we have a military-industrial complex that's making us less secure.

00:16:48.000 You know, education we spend more and more on, but teachers and unions make sure kids are less competitive.

00:16:52.000 You could just go down the list, right?

00:16:54.000 And I think what your dad, for me, has done and why, you know, I think this was the most important election in our lifetime is because he's put his finger on this frustration people feel.

00:17:03.000 It's actually, I think, this unleashed dynamism of America.

00:17:06.000 if we can kind of get this swamp out of the way.

00:17:08.000 So the central premise of Maha to me is anti-corruption.

00:17:11.000 It's really what your dad has been talking about for so long.

00:17:14.000 And I think Americans want to be healthy.

00:17:17.000 If we can just get these incentives out of the way, and the problem that Bobby and your dad have talked about is we have co-opted institutions, that every institution that touches our health profits when an American is sick.

00:17:29.000 You go into our regulatory agencies – Why is the FDA 75% funded by pharma to approve drugs?

00:17:34.000 We know bureaucracies are built to grow.

00:17:36.000 Vivek and Elon talk about this.

00:17:38.000 They grow when the pharma industry grows.

00:17:39.000 Why are NIH grants, you know, 80% of them go to someone with conflicts of interest.

00:17:44.000 Why are we not studying why we're getting sick but just doing pharma R&D at the NIH? Why is the CDC, which has a mandate for all disease, only focused on infectious when 92% of deaths are on chronic?

00:17:54.000 You know, the narrative that's being put together is that chronic disease, which is bankrupt in the country, which is the biggest part of the U.S. federal budget, is chronic disease management, right?

00:18:04.000 Which is destroying human capital, where a kid in the United States is three times more likely to be pre-diabetic, obese, have cardiology issues than a kid in almost any other developed country.

00:18:13.000 These are the things that are destroying our budget, destroying our soul, I think.

00:18:17.000 Don, I mean, you see inside a child's classroom and what kids are dealing with, with both physical and mental health.

00:18:22.000 But the reason that's taken hold is not because the American people want it, is because, you know, our fundamental institutions that regulate our health have been co-opted.

00:18:32.000 The last thing I'll say, and this is something that Bobby's, you know, looking at, you know, with Dr. Oz at CMS. CMS is kind of this boring department.

00:18:39.000 It's a bigger budget than the Defense Department, our Medicare and Medicaid services.

00:18:44.000 And we bureaucratically have outsourced our medical codes.

00:18:48.000 To the American Medical Association.

00:18:49.000 This is not in a law.

00:18:50.000 It's just what bureaucrats have decided to do over the previous decades. 0.99

00:18:53.000 And the American Medical Association is a pharma lobbying group.

00:18:56.000 That's what it is.

00:18:57.000 So we have outsourced, on a bureaucratic level, the biggest part of our economy to a pharmaceutical lobbying group that just demonstrably profits when people are sick.

00:19:07.000 So that, to me, Don, is what the big promise of Maha is.

00:19:12.000 Before we get into any bans or any type of real policy change, we don't need to talk about Obamacare.

00:19:18.000 Let's just get the corruption out of our scientific, regulatory, and government bodies, you know, hopefully working close with Vivek and Elon.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because I obviously talk a lot about corruption inside the FBI, inside the DOJ. You brought up the teachers unions, you know, the Department of Education, the Pentagon.

00:19:36.000 But you could argue that perhaps the gravest sin is really inside the swamp is just that crime of chronic childhood disease.

00:19:44.000 Could you put that, you know, more into perspective relative to perhaps the rest of the world, just so people understand sort of where we sit?

00:19:52.000 Absolutely.

00:19:53.000 And that's been, you know, really my dream in the past couple of years.

00:19:56.000 And I think was really what happened is that I think your dad's been talking about this since the beginning of political life.

00:20:02.000 But I think what really came into fruition during this campaign is that there's no better example of the swamp than sick kids.

00:20:08.000 And I'll just go through some of the stats.

00:20:10.000 And it's really harrowing.

00:20:11.000 And I think what woke a lot of people up.

00:20:13.000 But the childhood obesity rate in Japan is 3%.

00:20:16.000 In the United States, it's 50% of teens are overweight or obese.

00:20:21.000 We've got 20% of our teens in this country have fatty liver disease.

00:20:24.000 That was something that was unthinkable.

00:20:26.000 The USDA, they actually hid this report until after the election.

00:20:29.000 They just came out with the new numbers.

00:20:31.000 38% of teens between 12 and 18, 38% have prediabetes.

00:20:37.000 Prediabetes is our cells crying out for help.

00:20:40.000 40% of teens are on a pharmaceutical product.

00:20:43.000 And 40% of teens qualify as having a mental health disorder.

00:20:47.000 The United States is 4% of the world's population.

00:20:51.000 We produce 70% of the world's pharmaceutical profits and we're 60th in life expectancy.

00:20:58.000 This is where I think that what Elon and Vivek are talking about really come in is that when you look at what's really a threat to America, I think it is nuclear war or the fact that we're letting our population get sicker, more depressed, warm, fertile, and fatter at an increasing rate, you know, to totally historically abnormal trends versus the rest of the world while bankrupting our country.

00:21:22.000 We have to get this under control.

00:21:25.000 And I always look at Europe, right?

00:21:27.000 The life expectancy is six years higher in Italy, and they spend three times less per capita on healthcare.

00:21:33.000 And they have a socialist bad system.

00:21:35.000 This isn't about, you know, just nuances of health policy.

00:21:37.000 The problem is that our healthcare system is incentivized to manage chronic disease of people that are already sick.

00:21:42.000 So yeah, Don, I think it really ties to an anti-corruption message.

00:21:47.000 I think it's a huge opportunity.

00:21:49.000 And I can tell you there's a lot of energy around our friends to create quick wins for For your dad.

00:21:55.000 And I think there are quick wins to have here that really nobody disagrees with.

00:21:58.000 And the first is Jay Bhattacharya just working to get the research right of why this stuff is happening.

00:22:03.000 Well, because, I mean, it's easy to sort of blame some of the...

00:22:06.000 But how much of this is also our food?

00:22:08.000 Because it feels like, you know, when I go to Europe, you know, I'm kind of an eater.

00:22:13.000 Whether I'm here or abroad, I'm an eater.

00:22:16.000 But when I go over there, I feel like I can eat.

00:22:18.000 I don't come back.

00:22:18.000 You know, I feel like I look at American food and I get fat.

00:22:22.000 I can go to Europe and binge for a week and I don't feel sick afterwards.

00:22:26.000 I don't have the same sort of, you know, feeling.

00:22:29.000 I don't gain the weight.

00:22:31.000 It's definitely different.

00:22:34.000 This is where the medical standard of care comes in, in my opinion.

00:22:38.000 So we are getting sick, and instead of just drugging people who are sick, right, statin rates, antidepressant rates, metformin for prediabetes, they've doubled in prescription rates among high schoolers in just the past five years.

00:22:51.000 So basically, our medical system waits for people to get sick, takes that as a given, and then drugs them.

00:22:57.000 What the NIH, what we need to be doing is asking why we're getting sick.

00:23:00.000 And the key thing there, Don, we all know this.

00:23:03.000 It's just basic common sense.

00:23:04.000 But nine of the tinkillers of Americans are chronic lifestyle conditions, diabetes, heart disease, many forms of cancer, Alzheimer's, which is now called type 3 diabetes.

00:23:12.000 Alzheimer's is highly tied to blood sugar dysregulation.

00:23:15.000 Really?

00:23:15.000 I didn't realize that.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, so this is a Nobel Prize that might be won by this person.

00:23:20.000 If you don't have prediabetes or diabetes, you have a very small chance of getting Alzheimer's, which is now exploding and bankrupting our country.

00:23:27.000 Alzheimer's is downstream of diabetes.

00:23:29.000 Diabetes is downstream of food.

00:23:31.000 We didn't have a diabetes crisis.

00:23:33.000 30, 40 years ago.

00:23:34.000 And in European countries, it's much less pronounced.

00:23:36.000 It's almost non-existent in Japan.

00:23:38.000 So all of these things are interconnected.

00:23:41.000 So we need to start asking why.

00:23:43.000 Well, you just look at the basic pillars, obviously.

00:23:45.000 We look at our food.

00:23:47.000 70% of our food that a kid eats and what we eat in America is ultra-processed.

00:23:51.000 Now, nobody's trying to ban our sodas.

00:23:54.000 Nobody's trying to take anything away.

00:23:56.000 But it is worth asking, should we be subsidizing this stuff?

00:24:00.000 We subsidize it hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:24:02.000 Should we be recommending it?

00:24:03.000 The USDA actually issued a report just a year ago saying that a child's diet, 93% of ultra-processed food could be healthy, and they recommend added sugar as a healthy part of a two-year-old's diet.

00:24:15.000 So before we get into any questions of bans whatsoever, I think it's conservative, liberal, whatever, it's just common sense that we shouldn't be recommending or subsidizing.

00:24:25.000 When you talk about the subsidies, I think the number is now 18% of SNAP, our food stamp programs, which is actually the fourth largest government program, entitlement program after Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

00:24:36.000 It's a huge program.

00:24:38.000 18% of the entire program goes to sugary drinks.

00:24:41.000 No other country's doing that.

00:24:43.000 So we're basically subsidizing and recommending food that's made in a lab.

00:24:49.000 And my big point there, Don, is this is by design.

00:24:52.000 I mean, again, we're all free market people, but it's also incumbent to call this out.

00:24:57.000 The food industry was created by the cigarette industry.

00:24:59.000 In 1990, 40% of the US food supply came from two companies, Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds.

00:25:05.000 As smoking rates declined, these cigarette companies bought up all the food companies, and they shifted very deliberately their tobacco scientists, their addiction specialists, to food.

00:25:16.000 So literally, and I mean this, any brand you can find in the store right now that your kids are probably trying to get, That was originally owned by tobacco industry holding companies.

00:25:24.000 And then in the 1990s, you saw just disease and chronic issues and ultra-processed food consumption spike because the tobacco industry made it more addictive.

00:25:34.000 So that's what I'd say, Don, is there's a real co-option of our food system.

00:25:40.000 When you look at the $4.5 trillion we spend, it's all going to drug the problem.

00:25:45.000 We could be incentivizing American farmers to reverse prediabetes and get people on better food programs.

00:25:50.000 It's not ideological to just ask, if people are sick, what's the best way to reverse why they're sick?

00:25:56.000 Drugging everyone is not the answer, but that's what we do right now.

00:25:59.000 I mean, can we grow enough crops, let's call it non-GMO stuff, to be able to feed our people?

00:26:05.000 Can we do it healthy enough in a way that's actually affordable?

00:26:08.000 Are the subsidies of one enough to sort of supplement the other so that we can actually get rid of the problem and not effectively starve?

00:26:16.000 Because obviously, there's a corollary to some of this.

00:26:21.000 Great question.

00:26:22.000 So we've got the devil's bargain between the food industry making us sick and the healthcare industry profiting.

00:26:27.000 I think, frankly, this could be a golden age for pharma and health innovation with deregulation, but there's going to have to be some conflicts attacking there.

00:26:34.000 When it gets to the food side, when it gets to your question, I think this is my message, Don.

00:26:39.000 We're on the verge of a golden age of American farming.

00:26:42.000 We are on the verge of a golden age.

00:26:44.000 No farmer's happy.

00:26:45.000 I'm speaking to the lead lobbyists for the Farm Bureau.

00:26:49.000 They're attacking Bobby, you know, publicly.

00:26:51.000 They all think, you probably talked to, nobody's really happy with what's happening to American farmers.

00:26:57.000 Yeah.

00:26:57.000 Whether you're a big farmer or small farmer.

00:26:59.000 So behind closed doors, everyone's kind of scraping for pennies with the current subsidy system.

00:27:04.000 But the farm bill, our subsidy system, again, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 85 percent of the budget is SNAP.

00:27:11.000 Right.

00:27:11.000 It's basically a subsidy department.

00:27:12.000 Right.

00:27:13.000 We have massive subsidy structures for food.

00:27:15.000 Nobody agrees that it's right.

00:27:17.000 So, you know, my personal vision with with Brooke Rollins and Bobby and various stakeholders in your dad's administration is is we can actually bring stakeholders together.

00:27:26.000 This is not brute force.

00:27:28.000 This is not.

00:27:28.000 Yeah, because there's so much nuance.

00:27:30.000 Right.

00:27:30.000 There's yeah, there's big ag and then there's like farmers and they're not the same.

00:27:36.000 And yet they're grouped the same.

00:27:37.000 And obviously the guys that can write the big checks to their lobbyists in D.C., you know, it's just different.

00:27:42.000 So, you know, it's hard to get through that nuance.

00:27:44.000 But, you know, the R.J. Reynolds sort of tobacco example is an interesting one.

00:27:48.000 Obviously, you know, kind of, you know, before my time or before I was really paying attention to it, there were huge class action lawsuits to the tune of, you know, then billions of dollars when that was...

00:27:57.000 Yeah, I guess a lot of money still.

00:27:59.000 These days, it feels like we blow that on an average weekend in Ukraine for no real reason.

00:28:05.000 But could the same thing, the same types of class actions be brought if they took the same marketing plan that basically got people to be addicted to cigarettes?

00:28:14.000 Could that be brought against sort of the food industry for utilizing those same practices and making our kids sick?

00:28:21.000 Yeah, so here's my thought on it, Don.

00:28:24.000 I think that definitely we should be letting the free market and the legal system work its magic.

00:28:29.000 And I think there's been really bad faith actions from food companies.

00:28:31.000 But my head goes to like, what's the optimistic message that we can have in the next year?

00:28:36.000 And I think generally, I think it's actually industry coming together on the food side.

00:28:40.000 It's food producers, it's farmers, it's big ag, it's small ag.

00:28:45.000 I think we've all been complicit, all of the industries, especially government, and this really dysfunctional subsidy system that's happened with food.

00:28:53.000 And frankly, a really dysfunctional FDA grass process where we've had misinterpretations of a law from the 1950s to have self-policing of the chemicals in our food.

00:29:02.000 So you've seen those graphics probably from Food Babe, right?

00:29:05.000 Where you have just demonstrably less healthy food with all of these, you know, crude oil-derived food colorings and stuff.

00:29:11.000 I think my pitch...

00:29:14.000 Would be that nobody likes this.

00:29:16.000 Nobody's happy.

00:29:17.000 Kellogg's isn't proud that they're demonstrably creating a less healthy product and the same item for Americans than Europeans. 1.00

00:29:26.000 So maybe we could get together.

00:29:28.000 I think there's been calls to maybe do a one-year extension of the farm bill and just think about how to change the incentive and regulatory system.

00:29:36.000 The fact of the matter is we have a rigged market right now with hundreds of billions of dollars of agriculture incentives.

00:29:41.000 You know, the Bobby Kennedy vision, what President Trump's talked about, is actually redefining healthcare to get to the root cause.

00:29:46.000 I actually think more healthcare dollars could go to food.

00:29:49.000 You know, we actually have to support American farmers.

00:29:51.000 When you start peeling the onion, and Don, I talk to members of Congress, sinners, they don't even understand this.

00:29:55.000 A lot of our meat processing is coming from China.

00:29:58.000 Most of the pesticides we spread in our crop are coming from China.

00:30:01.000 You know, there's really dark forces here that nobody's really that happy with.

00:30:06.000 So as long as the message is let's support American farmers, the simple inescapable reality is that we've got to rethink about the subsidies.

00:30:14.000 And my pitch there would be absolutely we should hold that actors accountable.

00:30:20.000 But I think we need a forward-looking agenda where we kind of have some grace looking backwards on how we got here.

00:30:26.000 I think that's right.

00:30:27.000 I've been eating this stuff my whole life.

00:30:28.000 It feels like there's some that are kind of obvious.

00:30:30.000 Some of the dives, that they're clearly linked to all these issues.

00:30:34.000 I don't know.

00:30:34.000 I get it.

00:30:35.000 It's marketing.

00:30:35.000 You want the thing to be brighter, but do you need it?

00:30:39.000 That's when you sort of lose the good faith argument.

00:30:41.000 I understand that not everything's going to be...

00:30:44.000 You know, whatever level of, you know, nothing's going to be perfect, but there does seem to be things that are there purely for a marketing element that we know you would make our kids sick.

00:30:54.000 And, you know, again, I'm a total believer in the free markets, but like you think that there'd be a benefit in the market for people to actually do the right thing.

00:31:01.000 And, you know, their cereal may not quite be as neon yellow.

00:31:06.000 Yeah, and I think, again, when you get into tactics there, where my head goes, grass standards, I encourage everyone to look them up.

00:31:13.000 They make no sense.

00:31:14.000 It's not conservative or liberal or free market that we have self-policing of our chemicals and our food.

00:31:18.000 I think I'm optimistic that actually a lot of stakeholders are going to come to the table and just self-police themselves and say we shouldn't be having some of these toxic ingredients.

00:31:26.000 And then I know, Don, you're excited about Jay Bhattacharya.

00:31:28.000 I think I cannot overstate how important having a fearless leader at the NIH is.

00:31:34.000 Because before we get into bans, before we get into any policy discussion, let's just get a report on glyphosate, right?

00:31:42.000 It's being phased out of other countries.

00:31:44.000 If people want to continue it, but pretending that there's not an issue is sort of where I have my issue.

00:31:48.000 Let's just figure out the truth.

00:31:48.000 If people want to do that, like, transparency.

00:31:51.000 And this is where it ties into all the other areas.

00:31:54.000 I think it's all this message you've been the warrior on and your dad.

00:31:58.000 It's just like free speech is the first part.

00:32:01.000 And when it comes to science, what I think some bad actors have learned is that when you control the NIH research and Harvard Medical School, there's nothing higher up in society.

00:32:12.000 You know, I assume, right?

00:32:14.000 Leaders sitting in the Oval Office.

00:32:16.000 You have an NIH report come down.

00:32:17.000 I don't know.

00:32:18.000 Are you going to go against that, right?

00:32:19.000 It's like there's nothing much above that as far as trust.

00:32:23.000 And it's been totally broken.

00:32:25.000 They're not even asking the questions.

00:32:27.000 There's totally corrupted with DEI and various woke ideologies that's being used, I think, to just cover up real scientific inquiry.

00:32:36.000 So having someone come in Just before any policies, just like, hey, can we figure out what's going on with the pesticides?

00:32:41.000 Hey, can we figure out what these 10,000 chemicals are doing?

00:32:44.000 Getting the truth then changes the policy options.

00:32:47.000 So I think J and NIH is an absolutely transformative move that's going to impact policy in the years to come.

00:32:54.000 So, Kelly, how do all of those elements, the elements of my father's political movement, his cabinet picks, the entire shebang in his next administration, they all intersect in some way, shape or form.

00:33:06.000 But how does that work within all these different agencies?

00:33:10.000 And how do you sort of streamline that so you don't just sort of get those roadblocks that you hit into so often in the political process?

00:33:20.000 I think the biggest opportunity, and I think it's why there's, I think, record optimism in America, is that there's more things in the Overton window of what to discuss.

00:33:28.000 I think, you know, we still talk to old healthcare hands.

00:33:31.000 Well, you can't do that.

00:33:32.000 Congress is going to get upset about that.

00:33:34.000 We're getting a ton of heat from various people saying that Bobby's ideas are going to hurt the healthcare economy.

00:33:40.000 It's like, no, no, no.

00:33:41.000 We're fighting for kids.

00:33:42.000 President Trump talked about fighting for kids.

00:33:44.000 Yeah.

00:33:44.000 I think just being able to talk about it, just being able to talk about these things, being able to talk about the incentives, what are we talking about here?

00:33:51.000 We're talking about the foundation of how medicine is practiced.

00:33:53.000 We're talking about how it's actually just wrong that we silo 42 different medical departments.

00:33:59.000 If you have diabetes, heart disease, depression, there's separate doctors, separate drugs for life.

00:34:04.000 We're actually talking about a real, real new revolution in science and understanding interconnectivity.

00:34:10.000 I mean, Don, I know, you know, you think it's so important for health and mental health to go outside to be in the sun, you know, to be curious about these things.

00:34:18.000 It's like that could be more part of our scientific kind of inquiry and our disease reversal strategy.

00:34:23.000 So there's this spiritual vein, I call it spiritual, that I think your dad hit.

00:34:28.000 And I think Maha ties to the Justice Department and just getting truth there.

00:34:32.000 And it ties to unblocking education.

00:34:34.000 It ties to getting our border in control and getting our country under control.

00:34:37.000 I think there's just like honestly almost this spiritual vein that was hit of like, we've lost our way a bit.

00:34:43.000 We're going to get these broken institutions instead of out of our way.

00:34:47.000 So what my hope, and I think is really happening, and as Bobby said, your dad has kept every single promise he's made, and he is so committed to this issue.

00:34:53.000 It's just having his light on the issue, having him say the words childhood chronic disease crisis, it gives an ability.

00:35:01.000 We've heard from senators who are really excited.

00:35:03.000 It's just like almost like they can blame him for like maybe going its farm a little bit and maybe changing the paradigm a little bit.

00:35:09.000 His focus on these macro big issues is paradigm shifting.

00:35:13.000 So that's where I think the opportunity is.

00:35:15.000 And what the long-term goal is?

00:35:17.000 The long-term goal is we have a healthcare industry that's not incentivized for Americans to be sick.

00:35:22.000 That doctors are talking more when a child's depressed about going outside and exercising and eating healthy.

00:35:28.000 That we're working closer with small and large farmers to make American food the most nutritious in the world and change our subsidy system.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:36.000 People criticized and made this comment that I think was the biggest lie of the campaign for me, which is that your dad's not talking about big ideas.

00:35:43.000 I don't think there's been a campaign in my life where big ideas were more front and center.

00:35:49.000 I mean, the big, big, big concepts here.

00:35:52.000 So, Don, I think that's the key thing.

00:35:54.000 We just have an opportunity to, I think, change paradigms.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, no, I mean, I was actually with Bobby earlier today, briefly, and it's great to actually see that, because I was one of those guys, again, behind the scenes, like you were, and then Tucker and I got together to, you know, really try to solidify that relationship and make it happen, and they got along great, and then I'm sitting there like, okay, now I made a promise.

00:36:11.000 I made a handshake, like, you're going to be, like, in this thing, and, like, and he is.

00:36:15.000 So it's not like one of these, you know, like we see in politics, you know, so much where you make a promise and then you have no intention of delivering, right?

00:36:21.000 I'm not going to pardon Hunter Biden.

00:36:23.000 Of course you're not, before an election and then two weeks after the election.

00:36:25.000 It's like, well, now it's not, you know, going to affect the election, so I'm going to do what I was going to do and everyone knew it anyway.

00:36:31.000 You know, the long-term vision I love, what can Maha, Kayleigh, look like in the first hundred days?

00:36:37.000 And, you know, how do you expect the big, you know, whether it's big pharma, big ag, you know, big food, you know, to engage in this new administration?

00:36:45.000 Because I agree with you.

00:36:45.000 I think there's a way that everyone can win if we just sort of align the incentives correctly.

00:36:52.000 You know, will they try to make nice or are they going to resort to sort of the usual unimaginable dirty tricks?

00:37:00.000 There's certainly going to be dirty tricks.

00:37:02.000 But again, I'll tell you, there's conversations happening with all stakeholders.

00:37:07.000 And although there's going to be a lot of dirty tricks, a lot of fighting, I think everyone in their heart understands the trajectory we're on where we're bankrupting ourselves from healthcare costs that are leading to the sickest country in modern history is really a problem.

00:37:20.000 But here's how we think about it.

00:37:22.000 Here's how I'm thinking about it.

00:37:24.000 Is we've got to deliver on impeachable wins for the Trump administration in the next in the first hundred days.

00:37:30.000 And I call the goal of the of the next four years as changing consciousness.

00:37:35.000 The biggest win is that we basically this kind of Maha feeling.

00:37:39.000 I think you've had it so many voters have had it.

00:37:41.000 They've been brought in the fold.

00:37:41.000 They just feel like something isn't right.

00:37:43.000 And if we can change.

00:37:46.000 really can't go back to this sick care system, but really have a health care system and incentives that prioritize health will be in a victory.

00:37:52.000 So what can we do?

00:37:53.000 What can we do immediately?

00:37:54.000 I think it starts with getting the research right and getting the conflicts out.

00:37:59.000 And those are two principles we're talking about that were talked about a lot in the campaign.

00:38:03.000 So I'm just going to Obviously, Bobby and his team and President Trump's team are working on the specifics, but I'll just give a couple ideas.

00:38:11.000 Like, why does the CDC have a nonprofit that allows pharma to bribe that agency hundreds of millions of dollars that can be cut immediately?

00:38:20.000 Why does the FDA and NIH have the same nonprofit that you can bribe it?

00:38:23.000 Right?

00:38:24.000 Why does the USDA, as I said, allow their Nutrition Guideline Committee members to receive money from food and pharma companies?

00:38:30.000 Why does the FDA guidance panels that approve our drugs have no conflicts of interest rules to speak of at all?

00:38:36.000 Why is there no revolving door where a lot of people from the first term, you know, who are telling your dad probably that they're going to fight the good fight and fight the MAGA way, they go straight to industry.

00:38:44.000 You can actually just close some of these loopholes.

00:38:47.000 And I can't stress this enough.

00:38:48.000 If you change the incentives of these industries, there's no bigger swamp than healthcare.

00:38:52.000 HHS is the largest and most expensive and fastest growing department budget in the government.

00:38:58.000 This is the center of the swamp.

00:39:01.000 The second I'll just reiterate is the NIH. Before talk of major – people are like, oh, is Bobby going to be doing some bans?

00:39:08.000 Well, some of this stuff frankly probably – it's not the free market that this stuff is even in our food.

00:39:12.000 I mean I think correcting a broken market is an anti-free market.

00:39:17.000 But like before even any talk of that … Let's have Jay Bhattacharya shift the NIH budget to answer the simple question your dad asked during the campaign, why are we getting sick?

00:39:26.000 That was really powerful.

00:39:27.000 I almost was brought to tears when I saw your dad say that in front of Bobby.

00:39:31.000 Why are kids getting sick?

00:39:33.000 Now, that's a simple question, but the NIH, 90% of their budget right now goes to pharmaceutical, basically, R&D. It's basically saying everyone's getting sick, but we're going to figure out this Band-Aid for Alzheimer's.

00:39:45.000 We're going to figure out this Band-Aid for diabetes.

00:39:47.000 Pharma is great.

00:39:49.000 They can do their own R&D. What Jay is talking about doing is he's going to steer the entire agency to answer that question.

00:39:56.000 And then, you know, there's these hot topics and, you know, get into the food.

00:40:00.000 Is it the open prescription of pharmaceuticals?

00:40:02.000 Is it, you know, is it our sleep?

00:40:04.000 You can do studies and actually get definitive statements on why we're getting sick.

00:40:08.000 What's going to happen, Don, is people go, oh, that's anti-science to even ask that question.

00:40:12.000 We've settled that issue.

00:40:14.000 It's all these people that have already made the dietary guidelines, they've already made the pharmaceutical guidelines.

00:40:19.000 So I think one thing Bobby and Trevor are saying is like, listen, we're not trying to take any drug away, we're not trying to take any, but we should get to the truth.

00:40:24.000 Like, that's a principle we should have unbiased.

00:40:27.000 But Don, you know how this works.

00:40:29.000 When a government bureaucrat or a deep state agency has already made a recommendation, There's huge institutional pressure to not embarrass them.

00:40:38.000 It could even open them up to liability, right?

00:40:41.000 Well, and half these guys then, it's no different than the military, right?

00:40:43.000 Half these guys vote on a budget, then they go serve on the board of Raytheon.

00:40:46.000 It's like, I'm sure they're going to try to save money.

00:40:48.000 I'm sure they're going to try to do it right.

00:40:50.000 I'm sure they're going to try to prevent war. 0.89

00:40:51.000 That's the off-ramp.

00:40:53.000 I'd love to stop all of these people serving in government from then going to work at these agencies that they were funding for so long, because it just seems like a recipe that's ripe for corruption.

00:41:04.000 That's right.

00:41:04.000 And it's just basic conflicts of interest.

00:41:06.000 And then with the science, it's just basic insistence that we're going to do foundational science on why people are going to get sick.

00:41:11.000 The other thing, Jay, and this is getting into weeds, but I think it's very important and it can happen day one, is establish a center at the NIH to just do replicability studies.

00:41:20.000 50% of studies that underlie drug approvals in this country can't be replicated.

00:41:23.000 They can't redo the study.

00:41:24.000 It's basically, we have an epidemic.

00:41:26.000 This is Jay and others who talked about this, a fraudulent science.

00:41:28.000 So, you know, your dad is attacked, and I'm sure in many cases, for being anti-science.

00:41:34.000 And I'll tell you, Don, from my limited vantage point behind closed doors, I have never heard an ideological statement ever uttered in a Kennedy meeting or a meeting with the Trump staff.

00:41:42.000 It is literally People trying to figure out how to get back to foundational science.

00:41:48.000 It is literally trying to figure out with the NIH budget how to arm the best scientists in the world and unburden them from any restrictions on academic freedom to get to core questions.

00:41:59.000 There's so much bureaucracy right now preventing that from happening.

00:42:03.000 And it truly is.

00:42:04.000 It's getting back to science.

00:42:06.000 Because I think the enemies hide in complexity.

00:42:08.000 And the enemies hide in, you know...

00:42:10.000 I think all these EI rules in science that you have to study certain areas and study certain...

00:42:15.000 We should just figure out why we have a 50% childhood obesity or overweight rate, things like that.

00:42:21.000 So you've got NIH. You've got FDA corruption.

00:42:24.000 CMS is huge.

00:42:26.000 Dr. Oz is working with a lot of people.

00:42:28.000 He gets it.

00:42:29.000 And that's the biggest part of the federal budget, that department.

00:42:32.000 So just figuring out how to basically change the standard of care to where your kid, if you have a kid in high school, you probably see this, right?

00:42:39.000 That doctor's going quick to the prescription pad, right?

00:42:42.000 You probably see with your high school, right?

00:42:45.000 It's just like SSRIs prescribed like candy, statins.

00:42:50.000 You know, it's just like that's because of CMS. That's because of Medicare, Medicaid, which then goes to private insurance.

00:42:57.000 And It all comes from the standard of care.

00:43:00.000 So when you have the right research, I don't know, maybe that kids are getting obese because they're eating too much ultra-processed food, and then you have more standards of care.

00:43:07.000 Okay, instead of jamming a Zimpik into a kid's arm who's obese, maybe we can put them on a dietary intervention. 0.98

00:43:12.000 Maybe we can put them on an incentivized exercise.

00:43:15.000 You can start then changing the standards of care.

00:43:17.000 So that's really important.

00:43:18.000 And the last thing I'll say, the other major agency, the CDC, can't stress this enough.

00:43:23.000 Infectious disease is important.

00:43:25.000 Infectious disease is important, but that's 8% of deaths, right?

00:43:28.000 92% is chronic.

00:43:29.000 They have a mandate on chronic disease.

00:43:31.000 The chronic disease, and their mandate is infectious and chronic disease.

00:43:34.000 So, of course, having the best standards on infectious disease and being prepared for future pandemics is important, but steering the overall posture of the CDC and our overall health authorities to reversing the chronic disease crisis as a general policy emphasis, that will have a big impact as well.

00:43:51.000 So, you know, on this show, we talk a lot about sort of, you know, we look deeply at the VA hospitals.

00:43:55.000 Is the model you're talking about something that you can use to improve quality of care there as well?

00:44:00.000 I mean, it seems like in all these departments, there's just huge opportunities to really just improve people's quality of life.

00:44:07.000 But they're siloed, and they're bureaucratized, and it just creates something that just feels like wasteful and inefficient.

00:44:14.000 Yeah, you've hit on this a couple of times.

00:44:16.000 I think there's a great – from my limited vantage point, Bobby, there's great discussion happening with this incredible reformer cabinet slate.

00:44:24.000 And I think a lot of evil and a lot of corruption hides in this disaggregation of all the different departments.

00:44:30.000 So I know Bobby's team is talking to the VA. Frankly, there's better regulations inside baseball.

00:44:35.000 There's more you can test there more quickly.

00:44:37.000 But we're totally letting down our veterans.

00:44:39.000 I mean, rates of chronic disease are much higher for them than the general population.

00:44:44.000 It's still part of the sick care system.

00:44:46.000 So yeah, I mean, I can't stress this enough.

00:44:48.000 If you can get the science right and then do innovative things with CMS codes, that's jointly collaborated with the VA. Potentially due to some regulations, you can test it more quickly.

00:44:57.000 I mean an example I'm particularly passionate about, and I don't know whether this is right or wrong, but there's a mental health epidemic among veterans.

00:45:04.000 I mean it's an absolute disaster.

00:45:07.000 Biden's panel assessing MDMA as a potential treatment for PTSD for veterans was stacked with pharmaceutical executives.

00:45:15.000 Total conflict of interest.

00:45:17.000 You know, again, we need to see the data and let the science run its course.

00:45:21.000 But, you know, by all accounts that I'm hearing, that's been a real transformative intervention for Navy SEALs who are on the verge of suicide.

00:45:29.000 I'm doing a podcast with one in a couple weeks.

00:45:31.000 I mean, this is a transformative intervention.

00:45:34.000 That was shot down.

00:45:35.000 That was shot down by the FDA. So I think this idea of deregulation, this idea of, frankly, a more libertarian mindset, a less corrupt mindset, letting people experiment more, we have a mandated one-size-fits-all medical system where if you're a depressed soldier, you're getting that SSRI. So that's just an example of how we can all kind of work together.

00:46:00.000 So, you know, speaking of sort of mindsets, I guess in the past, things like, you know, organic foods have been more linked to the left as sort of a, you know, hippie living, but on a more philosophical level, like how is organic food, you know, And dealing with all of that, it's sort of become a big part of the conservative movement now.

00:46:20.000 You look at sort of the food pyramid, turned out it was upside down.

00:46:23.000 And, you know, it's sort of interesting that this has changed.

00:46:28.000 And, you know, what do you see going on there?

00:46:31.000 You know, I'm curious your thoughts after this, Don, because I know you're doing things that were, you know, I know you're outdoors a lot and talking a lot about nature and even environmentalism, I consider it.

00:46:43.000 I mean, just respect for our land.

00:46:45.000 I mean, this is how I look at it.

00:46:48.000 I consider myself a conservative, and the foundation of that is the individual autonomy and human flourishing.

00:46:56.000 And through corruption and through corporate capture, we're systematically poisoning our kids.

00:47:01.000 We talk about this in our book, but it's multifaceted.

00:47:04.000 But force-feeding kids basically alter processed food, having the American Academy of Pediatrics accept 90% of their funding from pharmaceutical and food companies, and then in some cases say formula is better than breastfeeding.

00:47:18.000 Say that ultra-processed food is the first food that they should be eating, right?

00:47:23.000 Basically say ultra-processed food diet's fine.

00:47:25.000 You know, you basically just have all of these affronts to a child's cell.

00:47:30.000 I mean, I was just with a friend who has chickens, and they turn the lights on in the chicken house.

00:47:37.000 They lay two times more eggs just with the light on.

00:47:41.000 This isn't ideological, but what's happening to our sleep, our circadian rhythm, light, movement, chronic stress, which is a huge issue, every kid having a cell phone.

00:47:51.000 These are basic things every parent's worried about, but these are changing our hormones.

00:47:55.000 They're changing our metabolic health.

00:47:57.000 They're changing our cells.

00:47:59.000 I don't think any of us would want to give back light and modern amenities, but these have had an impact.

00:48:06.000 That's the basis of our health crisis.

00:48:08.000 Again, not ideological.

00:48:10.000 It's just true.

00:48:11.000 I think we all kind of know that.

00:48:12.000 There's environmental toxins.

00:48:14.000 We're not spending enough time outside.

00:48:16.000 Our body is accustomed to these natural inputs, and our cells require them.

00:48:22.000 So that's kind of what Casey's much more eloquent talking about and what our book's about.

00:48:25.000 I think what's resonated, what resonated on her Tucker interview is like, it's kind of this basic thing we all know.

00:48:31.000 And yeah, I think that's an anti-conservative, frankly, corrupt arms of these captured industries that are profiting from us being sick.

00:48:40.000 I mean, I think it's that simple.

00:48:41.000 And I think before any kind of policy argument Man, if kids are going to die younger than their parents, if we have a mass infertility crisis where we're having trouble reproducing as a species, where truly I think we have a societally catastrophic mental health crisis among kids, it's like this is kind of the base of the pyramid, honestly.

00:49:03.000 And again, Don, I'm curious how you see it, but I think The political win, which is vital, we need to get called.

00:49:12.000 You can't do anything without a win.

00:49:14.000 To provide that to the MAGA. I think it falls very well under the core thesis your dad's been making, which is the American people want to thrive, but it's this corruption in the way.

00:49:26.000 It's another proof point of exactly what your dad's been saying, is I think the argument that was really made well during the campaign.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, you know, I mean, you bring up some good points.

00:49:34.000 It's not just the food.

00:49:35.000 You talked about your circadian rhythm.

00:49:37.000 I put out a tweet, what was it, last week?

00:49:39.000 Daylight savings time time.

00:49:40.000 I was like, can we please leave daylight savings time?

00:49:43.000 Because there's nothing more annoying than coming out of a meeting and it's dark at 5.30 when I can get an hour of sunlight.

00:49:48.000 A couple of people are probably much more knowledgeable than me.

00:49:51.000 No, we've got to leave standard time because of the daylight and what it does to your act.

00:49:54.000 I don't know if that's right.

00:49:55.000 I don't know if the hour is enough to make a difference.

00:49:57.000 But I imagine all of these things certainly add up.

00:50:03.000 I'm sure to various levels of detriment, but I imagine it all does add up and we do have to get back to sort of a natural cycle.

00:50:11.000 It all adds up.

00:50:12.000 And, you know, this gets the Doge stuff.

00:50:14.000 It's like we're spending $4.5 trillion to clean up the mess, right?

00:50:18.000 So it's like this is going to bankrupt the country.

00:50:21.000 The fastest growing industry in the United States is not AI or tech.

00:50:26.000 It's healthcare.

00:50:28.000 So the healthcare costs at the current rate of growth is going to be 40% of our GDP in about 12 years.

00:50:35.000 And it's not slowing down right now.

00:50:37.000 So the question is...

00:50:41.000 We're currently spending $4.5 trillion.

00:50:44.000 Can we incentivize a better system?

00:50:47.000 Again, I think it's wild.

00:50:49.000 I don't know if you saw this, but Biden gave a nice Christmas present to Pharma on his way out the door and said that on Medicare, we need to cover – the taxpayers need to foot the bill for Ozempic. 0.89

00:51:00.000 Now, we're not an anti—it's not an anti-drug, you know, kind of Luddite, head-in-the-sand thing.

00:51:06.000 But what this ruling does is it says anybody that's obese or overweight—it's indicated for overweight as well—so that's 80% of people on Medicare immediately get government-funded Ozymbic $1,600, okay, a month.

00:51:20.000 And the key thing is it wasn't like wait and see after dietary.

00:51:24.000 The guidance literally says no food.

00:51:26.000 It needs to be the first line defense.

00:51:28.000 And then once it gets approved for Medicare, it goes to Medicaid, which is kids.

00:51:31.000 It's being studied on six.

00:51:32.000 So you're going to have government-funded obesity jabs, lifetime.

00:51:38.000 And it's like, just as a thought experiment, what could you do with that $1,600 more effectively?

00:51:44.000 Your dad and the Republican platform talks about benefit flexibility, this idea of giving people choice.

00:51:50.000 I think that's a core to the Maha message.

00:51:51.000 It's like maybe the drugs are good for some people, but I guarantee if you give a family that $600 for their obese child, they're probably going to be going other directions first.

00:52:01.000 And I think that's kind of a core – we're kind of mandating – Yeah.

00:52:06.000 Put the kid in jujitsu and let's see what happens first.

00:52:09.000 By the way, I know guys that were 400 pounds that lost 200 pounds on Ozempic.

00:52:14.000 I'm sure it was actually beneficial to them if they couldn't do it a different way.

00:52:17.000 I'm not going to be a purist on the subject.

00:52:19.000 I think it's probably the cost-benefit analysis.

00:52:22.000 I'm sure there's side effects, but the side effect of being 400 pounds is probably worse than whatever the other side effect is.

00:52:29.000 But, you know, but you're right.

00:52:31.000 You know, just arbitrarily sending it to anyone who's gained three pounds, probably not, you know, and it probably not a great lesson for life where just, you know, sort of discard all discipline, discard all accountability.

00:52:41.000 Just, you know, there's a shot or a pill for that, you know, probably not a great example.

00:52:45.000 But there is confusion sort of with what's out there for so much.

00:52:48.000 I mean, I guess, you know, we talked a little bit about sort of, you know, the interesting notion of You know, sort of, you know, healthy food actually being commandeered the switch to sort of, you know, conservatism where, you know, we took over sort of healthy foods and, you know, a protein-based diet.

00:53:03.000 And I guess we was always probably there, but it wasn't really a political issue.

00:53:06.000 But when you talk about, you know, organic or non-GMO, whatever other, you know, else the label might say, what should people be on the lookout for in our everyday lives?

00:53:15.000 You know, I see it with, you know, there's salmon, then there's, you know, Wild salmon, and then there's a different kind of salmon, and then there's this, and you're like, half the labels sound like it's the right choice, but when you look at what they're actually feeding, this is the garbage that they're shoveling off a boat into a net.

00:53:29.000 It has to be wild-caught, not just wild, because wild is like, it's in the wild.

00:53:33.000 I mean, it's fine.

00:53:34.000 It's in a net in the wild being fed ultra-processed tiny krill, I guess.

00:53:40.000 But how do you do that?

00:53:42.000 How do you differentiate that?

00:53:43.000 How does the everyday person, without becoming a doctorate...

00:53:47.000 Yeah, totally.

00:53:48.000 How do you do that?

00:53:50.000 Well, yeah, and you brought that point up again.

00:53:53.000 Highest level, let's get to that question.

00:53:55.000 I think it's great that you can't differentiate a Trump rally from what a Berkeley hippie was saying 10 years ago.

00:54:01.000 I think it's amazing, actually.

00:54:02.000 I think we have a generational opportunity on this issue because, actually, most people agree with it.

00:54:09.000 And I think the core thing for me, why I think this election is so important, is it's not left-right anymore.

00:54:14.000 It's just common sense and getting corruption out of the way.

00:54:16.000 So that, I think, is a great thing.

00:54:19.000 Yeah.

00:54:20.000 That you basically have hippie stuff at your dad's rally talking about food toxins, organic food.

00:54:25.000 It's great.

00:54:25.000 Okay, what do we do?

00:54:26.000 So this is not, let's get out of, this is not policy.

00:54:29.000 This is just from our book and what we really believe.

00:54:32.000 I think seed oils, there's a lot of talk about seed oils.

00:54:34.000 Let me explain why seed oils I think are important.

00:54:37.000 It's like they're industrial products.

00:54:39.000 Like engine lubricant.

00:54:41.000 It's lubricant.

00:54:42.000 And then there's lobbying after World War II and it's cheap, but it's engine lubricant.

00:54:48.000 And now what we're hearing as it's become the top source of American calories, a disgusting process that involves bleach and all these chemicals to even make it edible.

00:54:57.000 I mean, then we're told and we're jammed over our head.

00:55:01.000 That we need human randomized control studies and it's anti-science to even question these things.

00:55:07.000 So it's kind of you jam these things into our food supply through a totally corrupt lens.

00:55:12.000 The American Heart Association, their biggest donor decades ago when these oils were recommended was Crisco, was Procter& Gamble.

00:55:20.000 OK, so you just can trace it.

00:55:22.000 It's not like a conspiracy theory.

00:55:23.000 It's just it's just true.

00:55:24.000 Like like Procter and Gamble wrote the research the American Art Association said was true to promote Crisco.

00:55:31.000 It's just like this is all documented.

00:55:33.000 So and now it's like, you know, you probably see on Instagram.

00:55:36.000 It's like it's like people.

00:55:38.000 Oh, we don't have enough.

00:55:38.000 It's like, do we need a peer-reviewed study to know whether 30% of our child's diet being engine lubricant is healthy?

00:55:45.000 I've heard that we need studies on microplastics.

00:55:48.000 It's like 0.5% of a child's brain weight right now is plastic in America.

00:55:52.000 It's like a peer-reviewed study on that.

00:55:54.000 It's probably a problem.

00:55:56.000 I believe that seed oils, if you can actually just not eat those, You're actually doing 67% of the work because the processed food that contains seed oils is the worst processed food.

00:56:09.000 So if I could give one tip to a family and experiment, actually look at the labels.

00:56:14.000 And even if you're eating food out of a box, don't eat seed oils.

00:56:18.000 Do olive oil, do coconut oil, do butter, do avocado oil, fats like that, but avoid canola, safflower, cottonseed, you know, Oils like that, seed oils.

00:56:32.000 You can Google the list.

00:56:33.000 There's eight.

00:56:34.000 I guarantee you, and I hear this time and time again, and people write us with the book.

00:56:38.000 We thought it was so basic putting that in the book.

00:56:39.000 I've received hundreds, maybe thousands of messages.

00:56:42.000 That one tip has changed people's lives.

00:56:45.000 So that's number one.

00:56:47.000 Added sugar, I mean, it's so basic.

00:56:50.000 And then highly processed grains, wheat.

00:56:53.000 This gets another thing where we're hit over the head with the research, but you talk about going to Europe and eating a bunch of pasta and losing weight.

00:56:58.000 I think there's something really problematic with how we do grains in this country.

00:57:04.000 We use a lot more pesticides.

00:57:06.000 I think they're causing a lot of issues.

00:57:08.000 They turn into hidden sugar.

00:57:09.000 The processing of the grains takes the fiber off, which is the nutritional value.

00:57:14.000 I think it's not a universal ban on processed grains, but avoiding enriched flour, wheat would be a good thing.

00:57:22.000 So that's the unholy trinity.

00:57:24.000 Seed oils, added sugar, and highly processed grains.

00:57:28.000 You're going to get 80% to 90% there if you can get those ingredients out.

00:57:33.000 The last thing, Don, I'll say, and this is key, and this I think should be a center of health care, is there's five biomarkers.

00:57:38.000 Your weight...

00:57:40.000 Your HDL, your triglycerides, your blood sugar, and your blood pressure.

00:57:44.000 We get these for free.

00:57:46.000 And if you can get those five biomarkers for you and your kids in line, you almost by definition don't get nine of the ten killers of Americans, almost by definition.

00:57:55.000 And those are all gameable metrics.

00:57:57.000 So I think we go over this in the book, but like those five biomarkers, really study what those mean.

00:58:03.000 Those are signs of metabolic dysfunction.

00:58:06.000 And I think the national kind of health policy for the country should actually be getting those biomarkers under control because if Those are basically the biomarkers for chronic disease, and we should all be playing a game to get those under control.

00:58:19.000 And that's interesting because, again, as an outsider who doesn't spend his life studying this, tries to do reasonably well, but maybe have a little high cholesterol, but reasonably good shape for an old man.

00:58:31.000 It feels like it's so much more complicated than what you just broke it down.

00:58:35.000 I mean, these are things you can look for fairly easily.

00:58:37.000 I mean, there's obviously sort of the no-brainer things that you can enjoy, and you can probably, you know, I jokingly put that Picture that got Bobby in a little bit of trouble of all of us eating McDonald's at 3 o'clock in the morning coming back from UFC. I was like, gotta do it, man.

00:58:48.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:49.000 I love it.

00:58:51.000 I love how that just made all the people we don't like.

00:58:54.000 I think it's like my most liked Instagram post ever.

00:58:56.000 It was like, you know, it was like the guy got his hand caught in the cookie jar and it was like, you know, yeah, we're judging you, Bobby.

00:59:03.000 We're judging you.

00:59:03.000 But yeah, and again, I think you could probably do these things once in a while.

00:59:06.000 You don't have to live this.

00:59:07.000 Oh, no.

00:59:08.000 No, totally.

00:59:09.000 But you can't make it a staple of everyday life.

00:59:12.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:59:14.000 Americans are the best.

00:59:16.000 This is like a...

00:59:17.000 But you tell me, Don, you're out there with the Americans.

00:59:21.000 Do you see people wanting to be sick?

00:59:23.000 Do you see people wanting their kids to be sick?

00:59:25.000 Do you see people motivated to...

00:59:27.000 I just think there's this lie that we're somehow lazier in America.

00:59:32.000 No, no, no.

00:59:33.000 This country, there should be cigarettes.

00:59:35.000 There should be McDonald's.

00:59:37.000 There should be soda.

00:59:38.000 I actually think more drugs should be legal.

00:59:41.000 We should have...

00:59:42.000 This is America, the land of the free. 1.00

00:59:45.000 But we are recommending and subsidizing this crap. 0.99

00:59:49.000 And that's the big differentiator. 0.99

00:59:51.000 And it's just that simple.

00:59:53.000 And it's just like, you know, I always go to this.

00:59:56.000 You know, Americans listen to doctors.

00:59:59.000 And the Surgeon General...

01:00:00.000 I don't think many of us would disagree that the Surgeon General reports saying smoking isn't great.

01:00:05.000 Probably, you know, that wasn't.

01:00:07.000 That led to a plummeting of smoking, right?

01:00:09.000 That led to various policymakers to make decisions.

01:00:12.000 We haven't banned it, but it's led to, and that was just one government bravery.

01:00:16.000 You know, the food pyramid.

01:00:17.000 Our diet radically changed when the government said to eat more carbs and sugar.

01:00:21.000 It went up 20% in the next 10 years.

01:00:23.000 So I can't emphasize it enough with Jay and with Marty at the FDA and with this day one Um, initiative your, your, uh, uh, dad's talked about with the chronic disease reversal panel, just bringing attention to this issue and actually just giving the right guidance.

01:00:41.000 I'm telling you, if Dr. Fauci or ever, you know, people like that stood up during COVID with the head of the NIH and Harvard medical school, and they said, we're dying at 16%.

01:00:52.000 Well, Kelly, give us the name of the book so everyone can check it out for those who want it.

01:01:04.000 I mean, obviously, you know, it's a big deal with our people, and I'm glad it's a big deal with our people, finally.

01:01:09.000 You know, that's a huge thing.

01:01:10.000 Would love them to check it out and really appreciate your time.

01:01:14.000 Don, thank you.

01:01:15.000 And just we've got a generational opportunity here.

01:01:18.000 The book's called Good Energy.

01:01:19.000 It lays out this multifaceted thesis.

01:01:21.000 I just ask everyone to keep up the good vibes for Bobby and your dad.

01:01:25.000 I think we have this positive, just incredibly optimistic vision on health and just so grateful to be a small part of knowing Bobby and the Trump team and seeing them just absolutely crank on this issue.

01:01:37.000 Well, hopefully you and your sister become a big part of that team.

01:01:39.000 And I think that'd be awesome.

01:01:41.000 I really appreciate the time and everything that you're doing.

01:01:42.000 Thanks so much for joining us.

01:01:44.000 That was actually really awesome, man.

01:01:45.000 Thank you.

01:01:46.000 Thanks, Tom.

01:01:47.000 Callie, thank you so much.

01:01:48.000 That was absolutely awesome.

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