Mike Cernovich is a conservative commentator, filmmaker, writer, and podcaster. He is a must-follow on social media, and always seems to be one step ahead of the direction the country is headed in, and Mike doesn't shy away from even the hard ones, even the things that we may not necessarily believe as conservatives. Mike has some of the most interesting political and cultural insights on the internet, and he's a must follow there, by the way. He's a great commentator and filmmaker, and we're going to discuss a bunch of different topics tonight, so be sure to check him out! In this episode of the show, we discuss: - Joe Biden and his incompetent administration trying to get us into a nuclear war with Russia - NATO's response to Russia's aggression in Ukraine - Putin's red line on Ukraine joining NATO - and why it's time for us to wake up to the fact that Russia is one of the leading countries on the planet and is ready for nuclear war - and it's not going to be able to do it - and we should all be prepared for it. - and if it does happen, we should be prepared to fight back. - and I mean really fight back, because it's going to cost us a lot of money and a lot more than we bargained for! - And we're not talking about nuclear war, we're talking about it here! If you're ready for it, then you're in for it! Subscribe to Triggered TV, right? Subscribe and share the show on your favorite streaming platform. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, and don't forget to tell a friend about what you're listening to tonight's episode on the show and what they should be listening to on your social media platforms, too! and we'll be hearing about it on the next episode! Tweet me if you like it on Insta: and let me know what you think of it on your feed or your thoughts on what you'd like it's a good one! or do you re listening to it? and tell me what you thought it's good or don't miss it on TikTok or Insta? or what you would like to hear about it's next episode is good, and what you don't like it should be doing on the air or what it's up to you should do next? I'll be listening out for you!
00:06:34.000And he always seems to be one step ahead of knowing what direction the country is headed in.
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00:08:28.000We're living in weird and crazy times, and I have to begin with Biden trying to move us closer to World War III. Joe Biden and his incompetent administration appear dead set on starting a nuclear war with Russia.
00:08:44.000Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, arguably the weakest Secretary of State or the most incompetent in our history, just announced that we're apparently pushing for Ukraine to join NATO. Hear it from him yourself.
00:09:00.000Support for Ukraine, the determination of every country represented here at NATO remains rock solid.
00:09:12.000Allies will do everything that they can.
00:09:15.000To ensure that Ukraine has what it needs to continue to deal with Russia's ongoing aggression against Ukraine, an aggression that gets worse with every passing day.
00:09:53.000This is about as irresponsible of a statement as you can get from our Secretary of State.
00:10:00.000If Ukraine was in NATO, any attack on Ukraine would draw America into a boots-on-the-ground conflict in Europe to defend what was prior to becoming a deity of the world, one of the most corrupt nations anywhere in history.
00:10:17.000Putin has said on numerous occasions, this was always his sort of red line, if Ukraine joins NATO, he's ready for nuclear war.
00:10:26.000This was the precipice for them invading Ukraine when we even started talking about it.
00:10:33.000Now we're going to bring the American boots on the ground?
00:10:36.000I know we've only been out of war for a year and a half, so I guess the military-industrial complex is jonesing to get back in, but...
00:10:44.000I don't think this is where America is, as much as they may be convinced that Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelensky, is the high priestess of the left.
00:10:54.000And Biden's weakness is, frankly, emboldening adversaries like Putin more and more every day.
00:11:01.000You don't think that he'd be willing to escalate against the incompetent leadership of Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken?
00:11:08.000If you don't think that, guys, you don't know anything about these guys, and you don't know anything about common sense.
00:13:14.000They have not. Ukraine has been, let's call it like a 500,000 mile, whatever it is, buffer zone between NATO and Russia.
00:13:23.000But now, we want to move NATO right onto Russia's border.
00:13:28.000But we've been sending them billions worth of dollars in weapons, and it seems that Ukraine wants to further this war.
00:13:36.000I read this weekend about wanting to actually send offensive weapons into Moscow and other things.
00:13:41.000This will not end well for the world, and as someone with five young children, I'd love to avoid a nuclear holocaust.
00:13:49.000Despite all of this risk, though, folks, we have members of the Mitch McConnell-Ukraine First Caucus in the swamp that actually seems to support all of this.
00:14:00.000I guess they're waiting for their board seat at Raytheon or Northrop Grumman or Boeing or one of the other guys who are going to get really rich while bankrupting the American taxpayer.
00:14:27.000Seems like the Republicans I speak to around the country are not in sync with the RINOs in Washington, D.C. in terms of their desires, and this country was founded on representation.
00:14:40.000Time for those Republicans to start representing their constituency, not making money by sending us to war and sending young Americans to die for causes unknown.
00:14:51.000And by the way, guys, we just put troops on Ukraine's border in Moldova.
00:14:57.000This month, a group of special forces troops went to Moldova for so-called training operation.
00:15:02.000I'm sure it's just going to be at that, right?
00:15:04.000Remember the whistleblower that said we had boots on the ground?
00:15:07.000We haven't heard from him in about six months.
00:15:08.000It's almost like he disappeared off the face of the earth because, of course, that's what we've been doing.
00:15:12.000Our government, whether it's the CIA, whether it's the military, they have not been telling us the truth.
00:15:17.000They have not been doing so for decades.
00:15:19.000But now I imagine it's worse in their ever-ending quest for war.
00:15:25.000This is why the election in November is the most important election of your lifetime.
00:16:30.000Do you know, okay, a bit of a history lesson.
00:16:32.000Do you know that women were not, the women's teams were not allowed to have brackets until 2022?
00:16:41.000Think about that. And what that talk about progress, you know, better late than never, but progress.
00:16:46.000And what that has done, because of course, when, you know, I had a bracket, it's not broken completely, but I won't talk about my bracket.
00:16:53.000But you know what, just how we love, we love March Madness.
00:16:58.000And even just now allowing the women to have brackets and what that does to encourage people to talk more about the women's teams, to watch them.
00:17:07.000Now they're being covered, you know, and this is the reality.
00:17:11.000People used to say, oh, women's sports, who's interested?
00:17:14.000Well, if you can't see it, you won't be.
00:17:17.000But when you see it, you realize, oh...
00:18:27.000What in the world are they talking about?
00:18:31.000In what world could that possibly be true?
00:18:34.000Joe Biden has opened up the border to millions of illegal immigrants.
00:18:37.000He put out the welcome mat for murderers, rapists, terrorists, tons of fentanyl, Venezuelan street gangs that make our street gangs seem like they're out of children's programming.
00:18:52.000If the USA Today considers this clamping down on illegal immigration, will they report next that Joe Biden is bringing peace to the Middle East?
00:19:02.000Is that how far they're willing to bastardize their profession of journalism to move forward their radical leftist agenda?
00:19:12.000By the way, guys, have you noticed that Biden is refusing to commit to a debate with my father?
00:19:17.000That's how he'll run another 2024 basement campaign.
00:19:23.000He doesn't want to explain the failures of Bidenomics.
00:19:26.000He doesn't want to talk about the border or the wars breaking out all around the world or the economy or anything.
00:19:34.000He doesn't want to talk about any of his massive disasters.
00:19:41.000Because there's no reasonable individual that could look at him and say that there's any successes.
00:19:45.000And trust me, as the father of five young kids, as a patriotic American, I'd love for him to be successful.
00:19:52.000It'd be nice to not have to do another four years of this and congressional testimony and me being smeared through the mud as well as with the rest of my family.
00:20:00.000So, you know, perhaps that's for selfish reasons, but I genuinely would like to see America succeed.
00:20:40.000Even if they're not really paying well.
00:20:41.000It doesn't matter. These are the lies they will continue to perpetrate on us.
00:20:46.000And these jobs are not going to native-born Americans, folks.
00:20:51.000People who have paid into a system, people who pay taxes, they're not getting those jobs.
00:20:56.000Over 600,000 native-born Americans lost their job in the last year, while 1.3 million foreign importers workers gained jobs.
00:21:09.000Joe Biden is America's last president.
00:21:12.000As always, he is not representing Americans.
00:21:16.000He's representing those who will ultimately vote for him, even if they have to create that.
00:21:21.000It's why the left is desperate to fearmonger and smear the MAGA movement in any way, shape, or form, in any way possible.
00:21:28.000They will do that. They're already out there lying about my father's remarks on abortion policy earlier today.
00:21:34.000They understand. They want to make that a one-issue problem.
00:21:39.000Election. That's what they're trying to do.
00:21:41.000I think my father took a very reasonable response as a conservative.
00:21:44.000Let it go to the states. That was the purpose of Roe v.
00:21:46.000V. We understand where this is going and we'll get into that a lot more with Mike Cernovich because he will have some thoughts as someone who is pro-life but understands the realities of the world and I think that is a really important thing to actually understand.
00:22:03.000Today I'm pleased that the Alabama legislature has acted very quickly and passed legislation that preserves the availability of IVF in Alabama.
00:22:57.000As soon as he takes the oath, he will have generals walk down the steps of the Capitol.
00:23:05.000He will take a hammer and break the glass where the Constitution is, and he will tear it up in our faces and say now, I'm the king of the fucking world.
00:24:55.000Text Don Jr. Text D-O-N-J-R to the number 98 98 98.
00:25:03.000And get your free info kit so you can educate yourself, so you can learn more, so you can put in some of that work to understand what's best for you and why this can work.
00:27:10.000I think everybody has that surreal moment throughout the course of the day.
00:27:15.000Speaking of surreal moments, I want to start with some of the news of the day.
00:27:20.000My father today put out a statement about abortion, saying that the issue should be left to the states and that the voters should have a say in the matter.
00:27:30.000I think that was the whole purpose of overturning Roe v.
00:27:32.000Wade, which was like, let the states decide.
00:27:35.000He also made it clear, though, that the Republican Party must promote the miracle of life and family, and I think that's a pretty solid tenet in the Republican Party.
00:27:44.000That seems to me to be where most of the country's at, but I also know you've said that you can't win a national election with a six-week abortion ban.
00:27:54.000I mean, obviously, you kind of lean right, but you're objective.
00:28:25.000No, he said what everybody who has voted on it has basically reached a conclusion, which I don't like the conclusion that people have reached, but because I'm pro-life, I have been, especially since having kids.
00:28:39.000But Europe, they voted on abortion, they didn't have Roe vs.
00:28:41.000Wade, and they settled on early first trimester.
00:29:22.000Whatever it is, it's not enough to be anti.
00:29:25.000You have to have a message that steers people away from that culture of doing that, which is something I try to do with my own writing, is get people think about life maybe in a better way.
00:29:39.000And as much as pro-life, what are you going to do?
00:29:42.000You're going to lose the issue on the national ballot so clearly.
00:29:46.000You're losing it in red states so clearly.
00:30:00.000I think, hey, I was a guy from New York.
00:30:02.000When I was younger, I was definitely leaned more pro-life, not sort of the insanity that we saw.
00:30:07.000And I thought we were doing really well on the issue a couple years ago when the left was out there literally being like, you should be able to abort a baby halfway through labor.
00:30:16.000You know, there was a Princeton professor that wrote a paper like you should be able to literally end your child's life up to the age of six.
00:30:23.000Six years at Princeton. You know, we were losing that, but they're so much better at the messaging.
00:30:28.000And then, you know, they bring up the, you know, 0.03% of conservatives who, you know, Well, no, you must have your rapist baby.
00:30:34.000That's not a conversation I'm willing to have with my daughter.
00:30:37.000I would rather eat a bullet than have that conversation with my daughter.
00:30:39.000And it's interesting watching sort of how this plays out.
00:30:43.000Because I speak to my daughter and her friends to kind of get where they're at.
00:30:46.000She's 16. They're sort of right in the midst of this.
00:30:48.000And shockingly, they laugh at the trans thing.
00:32:15.000You'd lose that every time. You'd lose everything.
00:32:17.000Well, that's what I sort of, my friends who are, you know, all the way on the issue, I asked them, I was like, so, you know, it has been sort of decided, right?
00:32:26.000I use the Ohio example because like 75% and it's not like this was 75% of California.
00:32:31.000This was 75% of our plus 12, you know, state went for Trump twice.
00:32:36.000And I say, you know, sort of, you know where the left is sort of going these days.
00:32:41.000I mean, it's totalitarian, it's very extreme, and yet they want to run the entire election on this one issue because they know it's a winning issue for them.
00:32:49.000So the question really is how much are conservatives willing to sacrifice?
00:32:53.000Are you willing to give up your First Amendment, certainly your Second Amendment, and all the other amendments, and basically the freedoms that we enjoy and love as Americans?
00:33:03.000For this issue that seems to have already been lost, at least in the minds of people, until we figure out either how to message it better or just do a better job on the issue.
00:33:11.000Yeah, and you lose on abortion, which is what I tell them.
00:33:14.000I go, it's not like you're compromising on, okay, well, maybe we'll lose a little here, but we'll win on abortion.
00:33:21.000Because a lot of people are saying, I won't compromise on it all.
00:33:24.000I mean, you won't compromise on it all, but not the way you're saying it.
00:33:28.000You won't compromise on it at all because you won't have any political power.
00:33:33.000So you lose the whole abortion, right?
00:33:35.000So I see these people, it's like a suicide pact or something where they're going, we will not compromise on this issue at all.
00:33:44.000You can't in California compromise on the issue because you've just lost it completely.
00:33:48.000And in other states, you've just lost it completely.
00:33:50.000So I don't know, honestly, what people are thinking when they talk like that.
00:33:55.000Do they think that if they say we won't compromise at all, That somehow they're magically going to win, and then they're going to be in a position to run the table at negotiation, right?
00:34:06.000Yeah. I don't think that's ever playing out, and that's the reality.
00:34:10.000Also, there is some irony, and you do a pretty good job on your various feeds calling out sort of the hypocrisy sometimes of the right.
00:34:17.000It's like, we're all about federalism, and we want it to be with the states, except for this one, because it doesn't seem to be working in our favor.
00:34:24.000And you can't kind of have it both ways in our system of beliefs.
00:34:29.000Right. And again, unfortunately, people aren't looking, they're not looking at the board.
00:34:35.000They're not realizing that it's a complete disaster for abortion and every other issue to claim that you're not compromising.
00:34:44.000And then even something I say to people that really upsets them, What I don't really mind is I go, look, man, their people went to prison for 11 years for sitting peacefully in front of abortion clinics.
00:34:54.000They're prosecuted under the FACE Act.
00:34:56.000There are so many things that could have been fought and aren't fought.
00:35:40.000We're going to fight. It's like, no, you're not, bro.
00:35:41.000You're like me sitting somewhere talking.
00:35:44.000You're not going to go to prison for the FACE Act.
00:35:46.000You're not going to go stand in front of a clinic.
00:35:48.000Right? So we're already compromising on it every day when we debate the issues democratically, which we should, by the way, instead of risking a FACE Act prosecution.
00:35:58.000So everybody who's saying we're not compromising, you are.
00:36:02.000We all are. When you live in a democratic society with laws, you make compromises every day and you accept things that you might view as immoral every day of your life.
00:36:27.000A lot of people aren't talking about it with any sort of moral nuance, because if you really think about it, it's a challenging issue consciously.
00:36:35.000Well, you're right. I mean, we are also sort of discriminated on unequally, right?
00:36:39.000I mean, there's not sort of left-wing protesters protesting whatever they want, being thrown in jail for even having some convictions, let alone just showing up peacefully.
00:36:53.000But all the more reason to understand sort of what's coming down the pipeline if you're willing to lose everything for an issue that's already been lost.
00:37:01.000That to me is perhaps the scariest part.
00:37:03.000I think, you know, that could have been a big...
00:37:05.000I know you sort of talked a lot about sort of Ron DeSantis and his run, and that could have been sort of the kiss of death when he tried to go further right than even Trump, who did eliminate Roe Witt indirectly, I guess, through Supreme Court picks, etc., etc.
00:37:17.000That was like almost the moment of like, okay, that ain't going to work.
00:37:20.000This is not going to be a winning plan for him no matter what.
00:37:23.000Right, and DeSantis signed that abortion ban after he was re-elected.
00:37:27.000That's another issue lost in the narrative.
00:39:03.000I think you're 100% right about fatherhood.
00:39:04.000Like I said, growing up in New York City, while I was pretty conservative on every issue, it took a couple experiences in my life having kids to actually have me not be glib about the issue, to be fairly pro-life in my own mind and what I'd love and desire.
00:39:21.000Again, I'm still able to juxtapose that relative to the rest of society and where they're at.
00:39:26.000You talked about fatherhood and how good that is.
00:40:11.000Kids should kind of be seen and not heard.
00:40:13.000And I had a cool dad. So it wasn't some...
00:40:16.000He wasn't some ominous figure in my life, but you didn't just talk to them, right?
00:40:21.000So I remember I had this weird moment with my older one when she was maybe four or five, and she's like, Dad, you want to take a walk around the neighborhood?
00:40:59.000And... Then we'll hang out or whatever and have dinner.
00:41:02.000So now people are definitely more about the dialogue with the kids, especially, which I think is good.
00:41:09.000People on X try to argue with me about that.
00:41:12.000We'll see how it ends in the next 10 or 20 years.
00:41:15.000But that's definitely been a huge shift where instead of just saying, look, this is the way it is, my house, my rules, you say, well, I mean, there's a reason for the rules, right?
00:41:25.000Yeah. There's a reason for We try to rule with some kind of moral legitimacy.
00:41:29.000It isn't that I'm the dad and that's the end of the discussion.
00:41:32.000You try to make it look like I'm a just king who has your best interests at heart.
00:41:37.000It's still a dictatorship, but for the most part, we'll hear you out.
00:41:40.000Yeah, I've seen that as my kids get older.
00:41:42.000Like I mentioned my daughter earlier, you know, I'm going to her to see sort of where...
00:41:47.000Where culture is. I realize as I'm cracking dad jokes in front of our kids, I'm like, oh my god, I got old.
00:42:27.000You see where things are going on, you know, on the broader level.
00:42:31.000That's where a lot of people too, I think, get out of touch.
00:42:34.000It's weird because when you've lived something and then you kind of see somebody talk about something, you realize they're not involved in the area, right?
00:42:43.000So, like, you're a hunter and if I mentioned a certain kind of shotgun for a certain kind of hunting, you would say, oh, come on, Mike.
00:42:49.000You've never gone bird hunting before.
00:42:53.000But unless you're inside it, then people can get away with saying nonsense because everybody else is kind of saying nonsense and they're jibber-jabbering back and forth, arguing back and forth.
00:43:03.000And I think especially with kids, I see a lot of comments from people where I think, oh, okay, you either don't have kids or maybe you're not the parent who's involved with the kids because that's not...
00:43:43.000Well, you know, it's interesting you bring that up.
00:43:45.000As I said, you're sort of one of my favorite followers on Twitter.
00:43:48.000I like seeing what you're, but you don't just talk politics.
00:43:51.000And I think there's a component of what you're saying in that.
00:43:53.000Like, there's people that are sort of Honestly, the reality is they're not even one subject matter experts because they've frankly been wrong for like the last decade on everything, but that doesn't matter.
00:44:02.000But you also talk the outdoors, you talk parenting, philosophy, so much more.
00:44:08.000It feels like one of the few accounts that's sort of out there that's well-rounded.
00:44:13.000It's just a thousand posts about what someone said on one of the Sunday morning shows.
00:44:18.000One of the things I've noticed you have, and you've already mentioned it here today, is calling out sort of the weed heads.
00:44:25.000You've been hitting them pretty hard recently.
00:44:57.000Yeah. Yeah, that was going to be literally where I was going with it, which is like, I actually think that, you know, I know a lot of people that have had issues with alcohol.
00:45:23.000Yeah, I mean, that dichotomy is really interesting.
00:45:26.000You don't hear about guys getting too high on weed and beating the hell out of their wives, whereas you do hear about it in alcohol every day.
00:45:35.000Same with driving, same with a lot of other things.
00:45:40.000And I've noticed that there's a very strong anti-alcohol movement coming from the culture.
00:45:45.000So this actually dovetails to the abortion discussion.
00:45:48.000Millions of people don't drink anymore.
00:45:50.000Millions. And it isn't because the government banned alcohol, even though, as I posted before, there's a lot of evidence prohibition worked.
00:47:35.000Candace has talked about it for years.
00:47:37.000Where people are filing, and then people have fitness trackers so you can see the data, you can see what it is, your heart rate, your room quality.
00:47:45.000And that was what the right or the pro-life people missed on abortion.
00:47:52.000You need that sort of propaganda campaign on family because the alcohol consumption happens.
00:47:58.000If you want fewer abortions, you want to encourage people to have more children, right?
00:48:01.000Well, people are quitting drinking alcohol not because of prohibition, But because they're getting real-time data, their favorite podcasters are all in saunas.
00:48:11.000Saunas were so expensive like a few years ago.
00:48:19.000Obviously there's nicer ones, but the technology is so improved because now people are like, oh, they want a sauna, they want a cold plunge.
00:48:25.000Why? Because people are setting good examples.
00:48:27.000Yeah, I think they did it sort of with cigarettes, right?
00:48:29.000I mean, you know, I did a quick work trip to Asia recently, and it's like everyone's still smoking cigarettes, but here it's like you see someone smoking cigarettes, it's almost like, oh wait, really?
00:48:41.000And that went from, you know, you went from the Marlboro Man to almost non-existence.
00:48:45.000It didn't ban them, but, you know, culturally it just became...
00:48:49.000You know, uncool or not as cool, that it was a really significant change in the way we viewed things.
00:48:57.000I mean, I grew up on planes in the 80s.
00:48:58.000People would be smoking cigarettes in a plane, and it was totally common.
00:49:03.000Right, and that's how people should be thinking about...
00:49:06.000And that's why I talk more about family, too, because I get a lot of people come up and say, man, you know, you really changed my outlook on having kids.
00:49:12.000We were waiting. And then I think one of my tweets that made the rounds was...
00:49:17.000The dumbest thing people do is they get married and then they say, oh, we want to be married for a while before we have kids.
00:49:24.000And I said, well, you have brunch again, right?
00:49:38.000So I think that that's more pro-life than just saying, you know, abortion's a sin, you can't do it, I can't believe it, the karma's bad.
00:49:46.000The pro-life movement has been so focused on fighting against abortion that they didn't fight for childhood or for parenting or show that message to people that...
00:49:57.000Because I remember when you have kids, you realize it's not what these...
00:50:02.000Antinatalists say, because you realize the negative voices are always elevated.
00:50:34.000Don't ever drink. Oh yeah, that's going to work well.
00:50:36.000Yeah, yeah. What you tell people is, I don't know, why don't you get a mountain bike and go ride your bike?
00:50:41.000Why don't you get up early and push your kids in a stroller?
00:50:44.000And if you're doing that, you know, get your cardio and push your kids around.
00:50:47.000If you're doing that, then you think, I'm a little more tired from that drinking last night.
00:50:50.000Maybe I don't want to drink every night.
00:50:53.000Maybe it'll be a once a week thing, or maybe once a month thing, or maybe a special occasion thing, because if you're persuading people, you can't just say, don't do that.
00:51:01.000You can't just say, don't get an abortion.
00:51:51.000Yeah. Yeah, or even more, there's a meme with a, it's kind of a cheesy meme, but it shows a guy with a puzzle and there's a missing piece of the puzzle and they put the puzzle in and everything makes sense.
00:52:03.000And I think most of us are walking around with a piece of the puzzle missing.
00:52:32.000I think people are really going to regret that.
00:52:34.000Just like legalized marijuana, people are really going to regret that, especially in five or ten years when we have more data available.
00:52:41.000So what we're trying to focus on with the film is...
00:52:45.000Following people and traditions that have found some sort of meaningful way to live and some meaningful connection with yourself, and then present different points of views, different religious points of views, and leave it to the viewer to decide.
00:53:02.000Yeah, I mean, it's something I've talked about quite a bit.
00:53:04.000There seems to be that struggle for so many Americans, just finding meaning, finding a purpose.
00:53:38.000Because it doesn't seem like that's going away anytime soon.
00:53:40.000No, and honestly, that's a great point.
00:53:43.000I hadn't thought about it in those terms, where people are more and more, there's a reductionism happening to people where, I use the term goober, muppet, where they're just sitting around and they have all this angst So clearly that isn't it.
00:53:59.000Because if you try to ask someone, oh, what's the meaning of life?
00:54:02.000There's that sci-fi film and you get a number at the end.
00:54:05.000It's a very impossible question to answer with words that are going to make sense to everybody.
00:54:12.000But you can tell everybody, hey, this ain't it, man.
00:54:16.000Whatever this, laying on the couch, being wound up, watching internet pornography, Smoking weed all day, you know, getting drunk.
00:54:25.000You know that ain't it because you know that you feel alienated.
00:54:28.000You know that you feel disconnected from ultimate reality.
00:54:32.000And that's why, you know, church attendance declining is kind of a chicken and egg problem.
00:54:38.000Well, because church has changed your message.
00:54:40.000But people don't go to church where they don't have spiritual traditions.
00:54:43.000And then that further alienates them from...
00:54:47.000Ultimate reality. Fundamentally, I believe that we're alienated from God, and that's why there's this gap between where we are and where we should be.
00:54:55.000But I don't want to, in the movie, push a religious message on people because we have enough religious movies.
00:55:00.000But it's more getting people to realize that if you look at the Garden of Eden as a metaphor and not a literal story, the meaning behind that metaphor would be that all of us kind of feel that there was a time where things were the way they were supposed to be.
00:55:16.000And now we're just running around like animals, completely lost, we're completely disconnected from something.
00:55:22.000So what is it that we're disconnected from and how are we going to get reconnected to that?
00:55:28.000What do you think happens sort of, you know, with the sort of the advent of AI? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, right?
00:55:34.000It seems like it's actually, it's not replacing farmers.
00:55:36.000It's replacing menial sort of bullshit, like desk job type jobs.
00:55:42.000You know, the reporters that used to, you know, oh, yeah, learn to code.
00:55:46.000Like, looks like they're the ones learning to code.
00:55:47.000Now you put in a couple of talking points and, you know, you can crank out an article in 0.2 seconds.
00:55:56.000And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing because it seems like it's getting rid of some of the mundane, the inane stuff that people do that kept them busy.
00:56:03.000But what happens as it progresses and that technology is there and so much of the stuff that has kept people at least busy, even if it's just sort of tedious, busy work, and that just disappears and it's done by a computer in milliseconds?
00:56:17.000Every technological advancement up until now...
00:56:20.000It has seemed like it was going to destroy and it ended up changing society for the better.
00:56:26.000So the internet has given more people opportunity to e-commerce, more people to run, especially a lot of mom, like I read a lot of the mom Instagrams and mom blogs, a lot of people who it's not a full-time career, but they have a side thing that really helps, especially when you're new family, a little thing on the side can make a, make a big difference as a car payments, a real, real big difference.
00:56:46.000So I'm of the belief that AI is probably After a brief period of upending things will be a net positive for people.
00:57:01.000It'll give people who maybe have ideas but don't have the technical skills to do things, the ability to do that.
00:57:10.000And I think it'll make people more productive.
00:57:12.000There will be maybe a hollowing out of people with the...
00:57:15.000There was a book many years ago called Bullshit Jobs.
00:57:18.000Which is the corporate jobs people have and you're shuffling papers back and forth or like the movie Office Space.
00:57:25.000You go in, you're not sure what anybody does.
00:57:27.000Great movies. Yeah, and you got five managers above you and you're thinking, what is it that we do?
00:57:32.000We're so disconnected from our product.
00:57:33.000So it may eliminate some of those, but I'm more of the mind that it's going to be a net good.
00:57:40.000So you mentioned sort of social media as a positive right there.
00:57:44.000Is it, or does it end up being one of these things where so many people see fictitious reality, right?
00:57:53.000It's out there. I'm probably guilty of it myself, but everything looks great.
00:57:56.000There's no issues. Everyone lives this perfect life, but...
00:57:59.000People then, oh man, I don't have that.
00:58:01.000Maybe it's aspirational and maybe that makes it good, or maybe it sort of creates a sort of keeping up with the Joneses type of thing where people are miserable because they don't have the artificial reality that they believe someone else to have, even in their own peer groups.
00:58:15.000Right, but if you think of keeping up with the Joneses, that was something people said when we were kids, before social media, right?
00:58:21.000There's always been this memetic desire of the neighbor got a new car, the neighbor got a new fridge, I need that.
00:58:28.000That's more of a meaning issue, right?
00:58:29.000That's more of an issue that people want to find out while they're chasing that dragon of consumer consumption.
00:59:02.000Send a newsletter out? Maybe some small magazine from Reason Magazine or something comes out a month later?
00:59:09.000Once you go back and you start looking at the historical account of various events, you realize, man, we were completely lied and there was no way to counter propaganda, right?
00:59:20.000Another thing, so that's the political component where- Although that still happens today.
00:59:24.000I mean, I think X has certainly changed for the better, but I mean, it was one of the, let's call it enablers of the propaganda and the suppressors of- Truth or reality for many years.
00:59:36.000All of the meta platforms are still very much that way.
00:59:39.000You see the censorship even on TikTok.
00:59:42.000And then you've got the whole Chinese propaganda component of that.
00:59:47.000The algorithm in America encourages people to love and admire the dumbest of human beings.
00:59:53.000But in China, if you're a young kid doing physics projects, you're the hero.
01:00:00.000Well, but think about, even under the prior Twitter regime, there was still a lot of pushback.
01:00:09.000Covington, Kyle Rittenhouse would be in prison for life, for sure, if it weren't for social media.
01:00:14.000If you look at multiple hoaxes against Trump, those were kind of busted in real time.
01:00:20.000And if you think back to, say, the Iraq war debate, for example, the Iraq war debate was the regime media, CNN, We're good to go.
01:00:45.000The deep state people, the neocons struggle so much, they think it's still 2003, where you can just say, oh, we're going to put your name on the cover of a magazine, and that's the end of you.
01:00:55.000So the political discourse is way more rich.
01:00:57.000There's way more opportunities to push back.
01:01:00.000And even under Facebook, even under the censorship, is so much better than not having it.
01:01:10.000I mean, they fired Tucker Carlson, the number one host of, you know, on cable television, because he questioned a lot of, you know, that same narrative.
01:01:19.000But I guess you're right. He has the ability and a platform now to get that same message out there, not through conventional means.
01:01:26.000Right. And even bad Twitter, old Twitter, you were still able to push back against a lot of the lies and deceit.
01:01:33.000So on a political level, we might be a communist country already.
01:01:37.000We might already be in a starvation, famine type scenario from the regime if they'd have been able to roll up power.
01:01:45.000COVID got a lot of pushback through social media.
01:01:47.000They banned a lot of people, but there was a lot of pushback too, man.
01:01:50.000There was a lot of pushback. I think that what...
01:01:52.000We, who live in this world a little too much, do as we kind of take it for granted that we were actually able to push back, whereas without it, there just would be no pushback.
01:02:05.000The media would have said millions of people are dying as a Spanish fool all over again.
01:02:09.000We might still be under lockdown, right?
01:04:43.000You have, like, we're homeschoolers, and that's all culture, social media.
01:04:51.000Or family, the parenting stuff's good.
01:04:54.000Okay, you know, I never thought about that.
01:04:55.000Or you see somebody with a rock climbing wall.
01:04:58.000I never would have thought about that.
01:04:59.000They're not even expensive. That's not even keeping up with the Joneses.
01:05:02.000You go, oh man, that's cool. You can literally, you take a couple, you know, drill right into a stud and let a kid hang there and build up hand strength for it.
01:05:28.000Yeah, I was with some people who were Republican but didn't like Trump or vote Trump in 2020.
01:05:38.000And we were at a dinner and one of them said, man, after...
01:05:42.000I think it was right after the New York case, the Alvin Brad case.
01:05:45.000He said, after that, I voted for Trump.
01:05:47.000And a couple other people at the table were like, me too.
01:05:50.000And these were... They weren't never Trumpers, but they just...
01:05:53.000They lost the plot and didn't vote them in 2020.
01:05:56.000And I've seen that way, way more often now, where people realize that the whole—because the regime went so far that the whole thing is legitimate.
01:06:05.000It's one thing if you're like me or you and you're on X, you can see things debunked in real time.
01:06:10.000Most people aren't getting the debunks in real time.
01:06:14.000It takes months to filter down to them, right?
01:06:17.000I mean, there's people that think that January 6th was an insurrection.
01:06:21.000Like, you know, it happened to be the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world.
01:06:25.000They're not, you know, they're not questioning how people can be in jail, you know, three and a half years later with no due process.
01:07:07.000This is less prevalent than that, but what's happening with people is they're realizing that, hey, New York City didn't look like, this is a choice, right?
01:07:18.000LA, the LA people, they're still obviously going to be 90% for Biden, but we're talking about the trickle-down effects and the overall change in sentiment, where you look at LA and you realize, No, that's a choice.
01:07:35.000Right? Because a lot of people go, oh, California's a crap hole and this and that.
01:07:40.000And I said, well, you're a victim of the propaganda because you think all of California is LA and San Francisco, and you don't even know it snows in California, or you don't even know where Temecula is, where they fly Trump flags everywhere, and everybody's got trucks, so you've never been to Big Bear.
01:07:54.000So... The more and more people are realizing, hey, these places are bad.
01:08:23.000Same with Putin in Ukraine, by the way.
01:08:25.000I mean, probably a bigger issue because it's costing us $130 billion.
01:08:29.000Right. Yeah, anywhere you look, you realize, well, Putin didn't invade Russia, or rather, Putin didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was in office, but he took territory during Obama's reign, right?
01:08:42.000He took territory during Biden's reign.
01:08:49.000You could be in denial and live in delusion when Trump is in office because you didn't really have anything to compare it to, but now you have a choice.
01:08:56.000You look and you see and you have to decide.
01:08:59.000If you're going to allow—I don't even know.
01:09:03.000By now, anybody who claims to be Republican or conservative won't vote for Trump.
01:09:07.000It's some psychological complex they have with their own dad, honestly.
01:09:11.000There's no rational— You have daddy issues.
01:09:13.000There is. Even in 2020, there was no rational reason to be conservative in 2020 and voting against Trump on principle or something.
01:09:21.000We know what Joe Biden did to Clarence Thomas during the confirmation hearings.
01:09:25.000Joe Biden has always been a craven man, always been a serial liar.
01:09:43.000And So there was never any reason to not vote for Trump in 2020.
01:09:48.000But now, if after seeing the past four years, you're a conservative Republican and vote for Trump, it really is some kind of psychological issue that they have with their own father or an absentee father, and they need to go to therapy for sure.
01:10:02.000I mean, with the Middle East blowing up, you know, under Joe Biden, you know, just to keep on this theme, you have Ukraine, obviously.
01:10:09.000What is it about him or this presidency that's literally just seemingly causing war, right?
01:10:14.000You're talking about, you know, they're flying planes into Guyana and Venezuela.
01:10:18.000And I'm like, are we on like a three-front war?
01:10:21.000No one has articulated what victory looks like.
01:10:23.000What is it about them that's causing this?
01:10:26.000Is it just... I always say it's sort of the nature of predation, right?
01:10:29.000You see weakness and a predator strikes.
01:10:31.000That's what they do. This is a story as old as time.
01:10:34.000What's your take? Well, that's part of it.
01:10:36.000Another part of it is because Trump changed the way war is conducted.
01:10:41.000So there's a quote about war which goes something along the lines of, war is where men who don't know each other We're good to go.
01:11:09.000That's the way war was always conducted, and that's why it's allowed to be conducted.
01:11:14.000And what Trump did, especially, was he did targeted hits on the decision-makers, right?
01:11:20.000And so Manny was the one that everybody knows about, but there's way more.
01:11:24.000That was one of the first things they did to change counterterrorism during the Trump administration, was they just said, no, no, we're going to go after the shot callers now.
01:11:32.000And when you go after the shot callers, they start to think, I don't know, maybe it's not such a good idea.
01:11:37.000Yeah, I read some stat over the weekend.
01:11:40.000It was something like, you know, grossly disproportional death rate for leaders, you know, generals, and, you know, from like the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and all these things, because those guys were guys leading the charge.
01:11:54.000It's the opposite. Right, and if you're the leadership of Hamas in the palace, you're fine to organize some attack against kibbutz by random people in Gaza and Hamas people, because you're not going to feel any of that.
01:12:36.000There's no consequence. So you send people who don't know each other to fight and kill each other, while you and Netanyahu and everybody are playing the chessboard, right?
01:12:47.000So with Trump, Again, this is one of the most underreported aspects of his administration, was that they changed counterterrorism for the better.
01:12:57.000They also gave a lot more discretion to CAG and these other guys on the ground to make their own decisions.
01:13:03.000And you knew that you couldn't get away with this kind of stuff.
01:13:06.000And under Biden, who knows who's calling the shots?
01:13:24.000And do you think the leadership of Hamas cares that that's happening?
01:13:28.000No, that's good for them. No, it's the greatest fundraiser in the history of the world for them.
01:13:33.000Right. And yeah, there's no real cost.
01:13:35.000If they cared about human life, if they cared about the lives of their others, they wouldn't hide behind their school children or in hospitals, right?
01:13:58.000Do you believe that this is some organic attack that no one knew about, that no one could question?
01:14:03.000What are your thoughts on the origins of this?
01:14:06.000Because just understanding how the IDF works, understanding their intelligence, could this actually happen and no one had a hint of knowledge they flew hang gliders into?
01:14:35.000So on the one hand, it is odd and unusual that such a small country, which is a point that a lot of people don't realize is how small the country really is.
01:14:45.000People think, oh, Israel, country, it must be the size of America.
01:14:49.000No, it's maybe the size of Delaware in terms of Delaware's county.
01:14:54.000Most people don't even know where to find Delaware on a map.
01:14:56.000So you would think, why couldn't they have helicopters there?
01:14:59.000Why couldn't there have been more resources?
01:15:10.000Mistakes that we all make in business life or personal life or in politics is not understanding the enemy gets a vote.
01:15:17.000And if Hamas had been orchestrating and planning this for a very long time, then eventually they were going to pull something off because they were trying to do this for a while.
01:15:27.000So I'm not—definitely in Israel, they're calling for an investigation to answer these kinds of questions that you ask, which is funny because whenever anybody asks them, like when Charlie Kirk does— Americans, how dare you ask?
01:15:38.000It's like, well, you should pick up some Israeli media because they all want an explanation.
01:15:44.000They also wonder if it's Annette now in his best interest to keep the war dragging on because if the war ends, then he's probably going to be out of office and have even maybe bigger problems.
01:15:58.000I mean, then you also talk about sort of the, hey, is the response...
01:16:02.000You know, is it overkill or is it necessary?
01:16:04.000I mean, you know, if you don't sort of take out the leadership now, you've already kind of probably lost the PR war, but they always will, given the world in which we live.
01:16:11.000And I was sort of shocked, you know, at the American response.
01:16:14.000I graduated from Penn, one of the schools that couldn't testify that basically calling for the rape and murder of children in the streets, you know, would be a violation of their community conduct code.
01:16:23.000I have a feeling, you know, as a Penn frat boy, if I'd have said anything even remotely like that, I'd have been thrown out on my ass.
01:16:31.000What was perhaps more telling than anything was just sort of the response globally afterwards.
01:16:36.000So then it's like, well, if you're losing the PR war, do you just try to win the regular war so you don't have to deal with this shit every six months, year, two years, whenever it's happening?
01:16:44.000And, you know, I understand that too in terms of sort of the aggressive retaliation.
01:16:58.000The Israel situation is complicated because for everything that you said and more, so for example, during the October 7th attack, it wasn't just Hamas that did all this orgy of violence.
01:18:00.000People at music festivals, for the most part, they're not voting right-wing, right?
01:18:05.000So if you're them, and you see, okay, so Hamas breaks through, and now all these regular Gazan citizens come and loot, kill, join in on the violence— You're thinking, okay, this is awful.
01:18:17.000What a tragedy. You're expecting everyone to say, hey, this is bad.
01:18:46.000And so if you're an Israeli and you see Hamas breaks in, Gaza's coming behind them, joining on the violence, everybody pretends like it doesn't happen, and then when they can't deny that it happened, they downplay it or they rationalize it.
01:19:04.000Then you are going to say what you just said.
01:19:06.000Well, we might as well just go to town because we're not dealing with same logical actors and we're going to solve this problem with as much force as we want to use.
01:19:18.000But then the problem in American media, they always go, how dare you, Sir, claiming that Israel is not the most just army.
01:19:25.000It's like more just than American army, right?
01:19:30.000And that's where the American pro-Israel movement harms Israel, because then it makes it so that people don't even want to talk about it, like we are in a reasonable way.
01:19:39.000And then what happens? Well, then you have the real nutjobbers or the October 7th deniers kind of leading the discussion.
01:19:45.000And then that becomes a narrative, which becomes inherently anti-Israel.
01:19:49.000But yeah, if I'm an Israeli, I don't know that I do much differently than they've done.
01:19:56.000I'll be a moral judge because I have some great God insight into how they're doing things.
01:20:02.000But all things considered, if I'm them, I don't know that I do much different.
01:20:07.000Well, so you're talking about this as sort of, you know, at least somewhat, I don't want
01:20:11.000to say a fabrication of the media, but certainly, you know, the driving of a narrative within
01:20:17.000You put together a great documentary, and I guess it was 2018, called Hoax, and it was on the fake news media.
01:20:25.000How much worse has the fake news gotten since 2018?
01:20:29.000Have they learned anything, or are they just doubling down because they see this sort of, the threat to their hegemony?
01:20:37.000Yeah, their ethics have gotten worse, but there are fewer hoaxes because Trump's not in the White House, so they can't manufacture stuff against him every day, right?
01:20:47.000Because I'm sure you remember during the Trump years, you would read something and you would know who leaked it.
01:21:19.000They don't want to cover that, let alone all of the thinly sourced two intelligence officials speaking on a condition of anonymity have said X, Y, and Z about the orange man, right?
01:21:29.000So we should be in a news renaissance of how bad the Biden administration is and how corrupt it is and how terrible it is.
01:22:25.000That behavior that you see on social media from the reply guys, has that changed much since Elon's purchase of X? Because, man, it feels like they're trying to create narrative.
01:22:38.000I don't even read my replies because usually there's just...
01:22:42.000Not a lot of people offering all that much there because the first 30 responses are those guys that literally feel like they're refreshing their feed to see when you tweet next because they definitely have something not all that intelligent and not all that witty to say every fucking time.
01:22:59.000For the past four months, I've limited replies to verified followers and people who subscribe to X Premium.
01:23:08.000So they at least have to pay Elon's company money to reply to me now because the mindset of the reply guy, other than the real bad faith actors that you deal with at scale, is that they want to catch you slipping.
01:23:24.000They don't want to read what you have to say.
01:23:55.000And then with you, you have just all the loons who are politically Deformed people in your replies.
01:24:03.000Your reply is awful. It's actually sometimes amusing when I do take the time.
01:24:09.000It's like, wow. How they get from this to that is truly special.
01:24:18.000It's somewhere between retarded and genius because I can't tell which one it is because I don't even know how they do it.
01:24:26.000It's impressive, but man, there's a lot of them.
01:24:29.000Yeah, your replies are pretty bad, man.
01:24:32.000Mine were, but it was more of annoying reply guys, which I guess in some sense are kind of harmless, whereas I click on yours and it's prison, hooting.
01:24:43.000It's real. Like verified accounts that work at mainstream media publications.
01:25:01.000Reply guys are annoying and have their foibles, but the mental illness crisis happening probably from maybe psychosis induced by high dose THC is a real problem.
01:25:13.000So, speaking of some of the mental illness, you're a lawyer.
01:25:18.000I'm curious to hear your thoughts on a lot of the lawfare that's going on around right now.
01:25:25.000Whether it's against Trump, whether it's against someone who's clearly taking a selfie inside the velvet ropes of January 6th who still happens to be in prison.
01:25:36.000What was Mike Cernovich, the law student, like?
01:25:40.000Has doing that and being in California changed or shaped your worldview anyway?
01:25:46.000Well, law has always been a left-wing profession and left-wing dominant, but what used to be a countervailing force against that is it was very civil libertarian, right?
01:25:58.000It used to be a point of pride or a point of honor to represent the people who deserve no representation, to be the devil's advocate.
01:26:06.000Eric Holder, for example, provided pro bono legal representation to the 9-11 hijackers.
01:26:11.000So post 9-11, every big law firm in the world rushed to represent these people for free because the culture was that everybody deserves a lawyer.
01:26:23.000These guys aren't going to be able to get lawyers.
01:26:27.000And then in the case of January 6th, it's really the opposite.
01:26:31.000Or in the case of in 2020, with some of the more viable litigation that could have happened, From the Trump campaign, lawyers were essentially stalked and threatened to not representing the Trump campaign.
01:26:46.000Oh, there were some disbarred last week.
01:26:48.000I mean, that continues. I mean, it's pretty amazing.
01:26:51.000Yeah, you couldn't, no one would even attempt to represent you or they'd say, hey, listen,
01:26:56.000I'd actually love to do it because I'm intellectually curious about it. I think
01:26:59.000there's actually something there, but like, I'll literally lose my senior partnership.
01:27:03.000I'd never get another job in DC. I'd never be able to do anything in politics again.
01:27:08.000So yeah, that point of honor is no longer there, even a little bit.
01:27:11.000Right. So you're looking at John Eastman getting disbarred.
01:27:14.000Jeffrey Clark, they're trying to disbar him.
01:27:16.000There's litigation happening at every level against everyone from J6ers to lawyers who represented Trump to send a message.
01:27:27.000Because if you look at what John Eastman did or what Jeffrey Clark did, they wrote a memo.
01:29:05.000And the message being communicated to people is that you're not going to get any kind of legal process at all.
01:29:13.000Yeah, well, and you saw that, you know, and again, I was actually quiet on a lot of these things at the time, because like, you know, I was, you know, not a believer that the ghost of Hugo Chavez came back to manipulate the Dominion machines.
01:29:24.000I'm not saying they couldn't be manipulated or other, but like, I sort of feel like the other side also did a great job sort of Grouping some of the things that were, let's call it, not exactly plausible with things that were statistically obvious, just mathematically irrefutable.
01:29:39.000And once you group them all together, you discredit one, and therefore everything else went by the wayside.
01:30:22.000What a laugh. Well, why wouldn't you say that was an illegitimate threat of democracy because you're trying to keep voters from having their preferred choice on the ballot and the Supreme Court said it was 9-0?
01:30:36.000Clearly there's no legal basis for it.
01:30:38.000Therefore, you have to go to the state...
01:30:42.000Yeah. Yeah. So I often ask about sort of political predictions on the show, but perhaps I'll give you a sort of a bigger picture question.
01:31:05.000What will be the biggest difference in American life five years from now?
01:31:13.000Well, if Trump wins, they're creating a lot of messes for him to clean up, and it'll be a replay, I think, in 2017 to 2021, which is way better than the alternative, obviously.
01:31:42.000Because as of now, unless Democrats really come up with something, power outages on Election Day, I would tell people to pay attention to the solar flare narrative and ask why it's being pushed.
01:32:12.000You know, on the ground, the enthusiasm was greater in 2020 than 2016, but you didn't have sort of the magic of mail-in balloting and, you know, all of these things.
01:32:23.000Yeah, yeah, because without mail and validating, Trump wins the landslide in 2020.
01:32:27.000So in 2024, most of these issues have been kind of figured out, and they don't have any new trick necessarily.
01:32:34.000What about World War III? I mean, when you talk about that, like, I agree with you.
01:32:38.000It's like, you don't have COVID. How much can they create in seven months?
01:32:40.000And the answer is a lot when you're dealing with, you know, Russia and 6,486, what is it, you know, nuclear weapons, you know, nuclear in missiles.
01:32:52.000Yeah. You see, you know, Blinken's calling for bringing Ukraine into NATO now.
01:32:58.000And so all of a sudden that happens and unilaterally every Eastern European, Western European country has to start be at war with Russia.
01:33:05.000I mean... I don't think these are serious people, but I think they're willing to risk nuclear war to get their way because I don't think they care about much.
01:33:15.000What about that? Because I feel like that's their last hope, unless they can do something to Joe Biden and replace him with someone who's not Kamala Harris.
01:33:26.000Well, I don't think they can do that before the election because that'll get blamed on Biden.
01:33:31.000Usually war is good for the incumbent, and usually you're a wartime president.
01:33:36.000Everybody unites. Everybody rallies around you.
01:34:26.000And you think about when Trump got impeached, Republicans, they'll carry that right over.
01:34:32.000Which is another trend that I don't see improving unless there's better leadership with McConnell being gone.
01:34:39.000Are they really going to put corn in it?
01:34:41.000What are we going to do? I think it could be worse.
01:34:45.000Yeah, yeah. What really, people need to start thinking about that too in terms of the five-year plan, what things are going to look like, is why is Menendez still in the Senate?
01:34:54.000Because the Democrats aren't going to expel him.
01:34:57.000That vote matters, and they know how to play that game, whereas we'll throw, you know, what's-his-face out of New York for Congress before they even have a trial, before he's found guilty.
01:35:05.000I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm just saying we don't know that he was guilty.
01:35:22.000You have to think about what's the leadership fight.
01:35:24.000You have to think about all those pieces because if the Democrats aren't doing anything on the impeachment and the Republicans aren't pushing them, what can J.D. Vance do?
01:35:43.000Well, if we have somebody like Thule or Cornyn or these guys, or Lankford or somebody, and leadership, say somehow, you know, because I don't know that the GOP is going to take the Senate back.
01:35:56.000There's some seats that, I know you're working on one in Montana, that maybe it can happen.
01:36:00.000I know that you're working, there's Ohio possibly, maybe one, right, with Bernie.
01:36:08.000Moreno, so... You know, maybe we can flip it, but if we flip it, and then we have Cornet in there, what have we really accomplished?
01:36:22.000And then you look at the Senate, Matt, for the next decade, and you're like, this is basically our last chance to get even a basic hold.
01:36:27.000And if we have a hold with weak leadership, what does it actually mean?
01:36:30.000But, you know, that said, like social media, we may not have an advantage there, but we also can't cede We've got to be out there fighting across the board.
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