Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Biden Moves Us Closer to WWIII, The Left’s Abortion Lies, Plus Mike Cernovich on “Meaning” | TRIGGERED Ep.126

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00:08:26.000 The weekend has been a busy one.

00:08:28.000 We're living in weird and crazy times, and I have to begin with Biden trying to move us closer to World War III. Joe Biden and his incompetent administration appear dead set on starting a nuclear war with Russia.

00:08:44.000 Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, arguably the weakest Secretary of State or the most incompetent in our history, just announced that we're apparently pushing for Ukraine to join NATO. Hear it from him yourself.

00:09:00.000 Support for Ukraine, the determination of every country represented here at NATO remains rock solid.

00:09:09.000 We will do everything we can.

00:09:12.000 Allies will do everything that they can.

00:09:15.000 To ensure that Ukraine has what it needs to continue to deal with Russia's ongoing aggression against Ukraine, an aggression that gets worse with every passing day.

00:09:26.000 Remember, guys.

00:09:53.000 This is about as irresponsible of a statement as you can get from our Secretary of State.

00:10:00.000 If Ukraine was in NATO, any attack on Ukraine would draw America into a boots-on-the-ground conflict in Europe to defend what was prior to becoming a deity of the world, one of the most corrupt nations anywhere in history.

00:10:17.000 Putin has said on numerous occasions, this was always his sort of red line, if Ukraine joins NATO, he's ready for nuclear war.

00:10:26.000 This was the precipice for them invading Ukraine when we even started talking about it. 0.98

00:10:31.000 Now we want to do this?

00:10:33.000 Now we're going to bring the American boots on the ground? 0.60

00:10:36.000 I know we've only been out of war for a year and a half, so I guess the military-industrial complex is jonesing to get back in, but...

00:10:44.000 I don't think this is where America is, as much as they may be convinced that Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelensky, is the high priestess of the left.

00:10:54.000 And Biden's weakness is, frankly, emboldening adversaries like Putin more and more every day.

00:11:01.000 You don't think that he'd be willing to escalate against the incompetent leadership of Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken?

00:11:08.000 If you don't think that, guys, you don't know anything about these guys, and you don't know anything about common sense.

00:11:13.000 Wake up!

00:11:15.000 Watch this from Putin himself.

00:11:17.000 I want to stress once again. I said it, but I would like you to hear me after all.

00:11:26.000 And you should convey it to your readers, viewers and users on the Internet.

00:11:30.000 But do you understand or not that if Ukraine will be in NATO and will return Crimea by military means,

00:11:38.000 European countries will automatically be drawn into a military conflict with Russia?

00:11:45.000 Of course, the potential of the NATO and the NATO are not to be able to do it.

00:11:51.000 We understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear countries.

00:11:55.000 On a certain component of the modernity, many of them will not be able to do it.

00:11:59.000 There will not be.

00:12:05.000 I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to be in a nuclear war where there are clearly no winners.

00:12:13.000 There is nothing being saved that...

00:12:15.000 Matters to most Americans.

00:12:17.000 Most people probably couldn't find Ukraine on a map.

00:12:20.000 Again, it was one of the most corrupt nations anywhere in the world.

00:12:23.000 It's 50% ethnic Russian, so I don't know what's going on here.

00:12:28.000 And our great leaders have not actually told us what victory looks like.

00:12:31.000 But once the nuclear missiles start flying, the world would be over.

00:12:36.000 By the way, if you wanted to start World War III, what else would you do differently than we're doing right now?

00:12:43.000 It's a seriously good question because it does not seem like you would do anything differently.

00:12:49.000 This is exactly how it would do. 0.54

00:12:51.000 If you want to escalate with a rough guy with a lot of nukes, Torment him on a world stage, cross his red lines, poke him in the eye.

00:13:02.000 That's exactly what we are doing today.

00:13:05.000 Not only are we pushing for Ukraine to join our military alliance that they have never been a part of.

00:13:11.000 So don't believe this leftist.

00:13:13.000 They've always been our great ally.

00:13:14.000 They have not. Ukraine has been, let's call it like a 500,000 mile, whatever it is, buffer zone between NATO and Russia.

00:13:23.000 But now, we want to move NATO right onto Russia's border.

00:13:28.000 But we've been sending them billions worth of dollars in weapons, and it seems that Ukraine wants to further this war.

00:13:36.000 I read this weekend about wanting to actually send offensive weapons into Moscow and other things.

00:13:41.000 This will not end well for the world, and as someone with five young children, I'd love to avoid a nuclear holocaust. 0.92

00:13:49.000 Despite all of this risk, though, folks, we have members of the Mitch McConnell-Ukraine First Caucus in the swamp that actually seems to support all of this.

00:13:59.000 Like, they're all for it.

00:14:00.000 I guess they're waiting for their board seat at Raytheon or Northrop Grumman or Boeing or one of the other guys who are going to get really rich while bankrupting the American taxpayer.

00:14:11.000 I think we're good to go.

00:14:27.000 Seems like the Republicans I speak to around the country are not in sync with the RINOs in Washington, D.C. in terms of their desires, and this country was founded on representation. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Time for those Republicans to start representing their constituency, not making money by sending us to war and sending young Americans to die for causes unknown.

00:14:51.000 And by the way, guys, we just put troops on Ukraine's border in Moldova.

00:14:57.000 This month, a group of special forces troops went to Moldova for so-called training operation.

00:15:02.000 I'm sure it's just going to be at that, right?

00:15:04.000 Remember the whistleblower that said we had boots on the ground?

00:15:07.000 We haven't heard from him in about six months.

00:15:08.000 It's almost like he disappeared off the face of the earth because, of course, that's what we've been doing.

00:15:12.000 Our government, whether it's the CIA, whether it's the military, they have not been telling us the truth.

00:15:17.000 They have not been doing so for decades.

00:15:19.000 But now I imagine it's worse in their ever-ending quest for war.

00:15:25.000 This is why the election in November is the most important election of your lifetime.

00:15:32.000 Maybe in the history of the country.

00:15:34.000 The stakes could not be higher.

00:15:36.000 And only my father can stop World War III. Listen for yourself.

00:15:41.000 The Bible says, blessed are the peacemakers.

00:15:44.000 You know that, right? Blessed are the peacemakers.

00:15:46.000 I made peace. Remember Hillary said, he will take us into war. 0.63

00:15:49.000 No, I took us out of all these wars.

00:15:52.000 I got us out of Syria, got us out of Iraq. 1.00

00:15:56.000 I protected Israel. 0.87

00:15:57.000 They would have been in a big problem.

00:16:00.000 But I'll be your peacemaker, and I am the only candidate who can make this promise to you.

00:16:05.000 I will prevent World War III. We are very close to World War III. The choice is pretty clear, guys.

00:16:12.000 And it's not like a Joe Biden replacement would be any better.

00:16:15.000 Have you seen Kamala Harris talk recently?

00:16:18.000 Could you imagine her in charge of our nukes? 0.98

00:16:21.000 Could you imagine her in charge of... 0.97

00:16:24.000 Pretty much anything? I mean, she's clueless. 1.00

00:16:27.000 Here she is just the other day.

00:16:30.000 Do you know, okay, a bit of a history lesson.

00:16:32.000 Do you know that women were not, the women's teams were not allowed to have brackets until 2022?

00:16:41.000 Think about that. And what that talk about progress, you know, better late than never, but progress.

00:16:46.000 And what that has done, because of course, when, you know, I had a bracket, it's not broken completely, but I won't talk about my bracket.

00:16:53.000 But you know what, just how we love, we love March Madness.

00:16:58.000 And even just now allowing the women to have brackets and what that does to encourage people to talk more about the women's teams, to watch them. 0.98

00:17:07.000 Now they're being covered, you know, and this is the reality.

00:17:11.000 People used to say, oh, women's sports, who's interested? 1.00

00:17:14.000 Well, if you can't see it, you won't be.

00:17:17.000 But when you see it, you realize, oh...

00:17:20.000 So guys, is Kamala Harris lying?

00:17:23.000 Is she doing this knowing the media will try to make her seem like one of the great orators of all time?

00:17:29.000 She knows so much about these issues.

00:17:31.000 Or does she just have the memory of one of the many potheads she's locked up in California's prisons?

00:17:38.000 Because she tweeted in 2021 about the women's bracket.

00:17:43.000 We're talking NCAA basketball.

00:17:45.000 Meanwhile, the latest fake news hoax is from USA Today.

00:17:51.000 Shocked. Shocked they're still pushing hoaxes.

00:17:54.000 You might have forgotten that USA Today exists, guys.

00:17:58.000 That's probably not where anyone actually get their news other than in some very small hotels and motels around the country.

00:18:04.000 It's one of those newspapers that seems to only ever show up there.

00:18:08.000 They wrote this weekend that Joe Biden has, quote, clamped down on unauthorized border crossings.

00:18:18.000 Does anyone really believe that Joe Biden's clamped down on unauthorized border crossings?

00:18:23.000 I don't think so. Like what?

00:18:27.000 What in the world are they talking about?

00:18:31.000 In what world could that possibly be true?

00:18:34.000 Joe Biden has opened up the border to millions of illegal immigrants.

00:18:37.000 He put out the welcome mat for murderers, rapists, terrorists, tons of fentanyl, Venezuelan street gangs that make our street gangs seem like they're out of children's programming. 1.00

00:18:52.000 If the USA Today considers this clamping down on illegal immigration, will they report next that Joe Biden is bringing peace to the Middle East?

00:19:02.000 Is that how far they're willing to bastardize their profession of journalism to move forward their radical leftist agenda?

00:19:12.000 By the way, guys, have you noticed that Biden is refusing to commit to a debate with my father?

00:19:17.000 That's how he'll run another 2024 basement campaign.

00:19:23.000 He doesn't want to explain the failures of Bidenomics.

00:19:26.000 He doesn't want to talk about the border or the wars breaking out all around the world or the economy or anything.

00:19:34.000 He doesn't want to talk about any of his massive disasters.

00:19:39.000 We understand why.

00:19:41.000 Because there's no reasonable individual that could look at him and say that there's any successes.

00:19:45.000 And trust me, as the father of five young kids, as a patriotic American, I'd love for him to be successful.

00:19:52.000 It'd be nice to not have to do another four years of this and congressional testimony and me being smeared through the mud as well as with the rest of my family.

00:20:00.000 So, you know, perhaps that's for selfish reasons, but I genuinely would like to see America succeed.

00:20:05.000 That is not what's happening.

00:20:07.000 And I'm sure you've seen the Democrats celebrating the recent jobs report as great news, good news, but there's a lot more to the story.

00:20:16.000 There were in fact zero manufacturing jobs added in March.

00:20:21.000 Zero. Full-time jobs are disappearing and being replaced by part-time work.

00:20:27.000 32% more Americans are being forced to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

00:20:34.000 But if they're working multiple jobs, that counts as two jobs.

00:20:36.000 So we added jobs.

00:20:38.000 Even if they're part-time jobs.

00:20:40.000 Even if they're not really paying well.

00:20:41.000 It doesn't matter. These are the lies they will continue to perpetrate on us.

00:20:46.000 And these jobs are not going to native-born Americans, folks.

00:20:51.000 People who have paid into a system, people who pay taxes, they're not getting those jobs.

00:20:56.000 Over 600,000 native-born Americans lost their job in the last year, while 1.3 million foreign importers workers gained jobs.

00:21:09.000 Joe Biden is America's last president.

00:21:12.000 As always, he is not representing Americans. 0.50

00:21:16.000 He's representing those who will ultimately vote for him, even if they have to create that.

00:21:21.000 It's why the left is desperate to fearmonger and smear the MAGA movement in any way, shape, or form, in any way possible.

00:21:28.000 They will do that. They're already out there lying about my father's remarks on abortion policy earlier today.

00:21:34.000 They understand. They want to make that a one-issue problem.

00:21:39.000 Election. That's what they're trying to do. 0.99

00:21:41.000 I think my father took a very reasonable response as a conservative.

00:21:44.000 Let it go to the states. That was the purpose of Roe v. 0.98

00:21:46.000 V. We understand where this is going and we'll get into that a lot more with Mike Cernovich because he will have some thoughts as someone who is pro-life but understands the realities of the world and I think that is a really important thing to actually understand.

00:22:01.000 Here's my father earlier today.

00:22:03.000 Today I'm pleased that the Alabama legislature has acted very quickly and passed legislation that preserves the availability of IVF in Alabama.

00:22:14.000 They really did a great and fast job.

00:22:16.000 The Republican Party should always be on the side of the miracle of life and the side of

00:22:21.000 mother's father.

00:22:23.000 They're beautiful babies, and that's what we are.

00:22:25.000 IVF is an important part of that, and our great Republican Party will always be with

00:22:30.000 you in your quest for the ultimate joy in life.

00:22:37.000 Biden's allies are coping with his failing campaign by getting increasingly unhinged.

00:22:43.000 Check out this recent segment on Sirius XM on a show called Mornings with Zerlinda.

00:22:49.000 You gotta watch this one.

00:22:50.000 It's pretty special.

00:22:54.000 Bye for now.

00:22:57.000 As soon as he takes the oath, he will have generals walk down the steps of the Capitol. 0.99

00:23:05.000 He will take a hammer and break the glass where the Constitution is, and he will tear it up in our faces and say now, I'm the king of the fucking world. 1.00

00:23:22.000 You will bow down, bitches. 1.00

00:23:25.000 Let's check back with her in November. 0.99

00:23:29.000 I can't wait to see her response to Joe Biden's defeat.

00:23:33.000 But this is what the left is, folks.

00:23:35.000 They have lost their minds.

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00:26:35.000 out there the one and only Mike Cernovich So, Mike, good to have you on here first and foremost.

00:26:42.000 You know, I enjoy your commentary every day.

00:26:43.000 I imagine many of my viewers do, but crazy times as always.

00:26:48.000 Yeah, yeah. It's a very interesting time to be alive.

00:26:52.000 It is, man. I always say, like, I wake up some mornings being like, you know, are the TV cameras, like, hidden in the ceiling?

00:26:59.000 Like, I'm just the star of the Truman Show, and no one's had the guts to just tell me, like, hey, Don, you're just being punked.

00:27:05.000 It's one big joke, because sometimes it actually feels like that.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, it's pretty strange all around.

00:27:10.000 I think everybody has that surreal moment throughout the course of the day.

00:27:15.000 Speaking of surreal moments, I want to start with some of the news of the day.

00:27:20.000 My father today put out a statement about abortion, saying that the issue should be left to the states and that the voters should have a say in the matter.

00:27:30.000 I think that was the whole purpose of overturning Roe v.

00:27:32.000 Wade, which was like, let the states decide.

00:27:35.000 He also made it clear, though, that the Republican Party must promote the miracle of life and family, and I think that's a pretty solid tenet in the Republican Party.

00:27:44.000 That seems to me to be where most of the country's at, but I also know you've said that you can't win a national election with a six-week abortion ban.

00:27:54.000 I mean, obviously, you kind of lean right, but you're objective.

00:27:58.000 I think that's probably right.

00:28:00.000 Is that an issue states should have their say in, and what do you think overall?

00:28:06.000 Yeah, I watched the reaction to Trump's statement on abortion before I watched the statement.

00:28:12.000 What a disconnect.

00:28:14.000 There always is.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, what an incoherent statement.

00:28:18.000 I can't believe it.

00:28:19.000 So I thought, oh boy, he really went off the reservation.

00:28:22.000 Then I saw it and thought...

00:28:25.000 No, he said what everybody who has voted on it has basically reached a conclusion, which I don't like the conclusion that people have reached, but because I'm pro-life, I have been, especially since having kids.

00:28:39.000 But Europe, they voted on abortion, they didn't have Roe vs. 0.93

00:28:41.000 Wade, and they settled on early first trimester.

00:28:48.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 Yeah. Yeah. My view, and I really upset people when I say things like that, I say, look, man, I'm anti-weed.

00:29:13.000 I'm anti-sports betting.

00:29:15.000 I go through these towns and I see all the slot machines for legalized gambling.

00:29:19.000 And I'm like, you know what? I lost.

00:29:21.000 I lost.

00:29:22.000 Whatever it is, it's not enough to be anti.

00:29:25.000 You have to have a message that steers people away from that culture of doing that, which is something I try to do with my own writing, is get people think about life maybe in a better way.

00:29:39.000 And as much as pro-life, what are you going to do?

00:29:42.000 You're going to lose the issue on the national ballot so clearly.

00:29:46.000 You're losing it in red states so clearly.

00:29:49.000 It's on the ballot. What do you do?

00:29:52.000 The Ohio thing was sort of an eye-opener, right?

00:29:54.000 I think it's basically an R-plus-12 state that went 75% for abortion.

00:29:59.000 And you're right.

00:30:00.000 I think, hey, I was a guy from New York.

00:30:02.000 When I was younger, I was definitely leaned more pro-life, not sort of the insanity that we saw.

00:30:07.000 And I thought we were doing really well on the issue a couple years ago when the left was out there literally being like, you should be able to abort a baby halfway through labor.

00:30:16.000 You know, there was a Princeton professor that wrote a paper like you should be able to literally end your child's life up to the age of six.

00:30:23.000 Six years at Princeton. You know, we were losing that, but they're so much better at the messaging.

00:30:28.000 And then, you know, they bring up the, you know, 0.03% of conservatives who, you know, Well, no, you must have your rapist baby. 0.98

00:30:34.000 That's not a conversation I'm willing to have with my daughter. 0.99

00:30:37.000 I would rather eat a bullet than have that conversation with my daughter. 1.00

00:30:39.000 And it's interesting watching sort of how this plays out.

00:30:43.000 Because I speak to my daughter and her friends to kind of get where they're at.

00:30:46.000 She's 16. They're sort of right in the midst of this.

00:30:48.000 And shockingly, they laugh at the trans thing.

00:30:53.000 They think it's funny.

00:30:55.000 We're actually winning some of the culture wars, finally.

00:30:58.000 But, like, this was the deal breaker.

00:30:59.000 And they'd be fine with something like 15 weeks.

00:31:02.000 They're like, that seems pretty reasonable.

00:31:04.000 But not this draconian, you must no matter what at all costs.

00:31:09.000 And, you know, what happens from here?

00:31:13.000 Well, we don't know.

00:31:14.000 We know what happens if it's on the ballot.

00:31:18.000 We know what happened when we were supposed to have a big red wave in 2022, and Lindsey Graham

00:31:23.000 decided that he wanted to introduce a national abortion ban, which I think a lot of people

00:31:28.000 should ask why that was a good idea, what was going on there. But we know, it's just we have

00:31:34.000 objective evidence, because a lot of people like to bring up polling and say America says it's pro

00:31:38.000 life, but when it's on the ballot, we know what it is. When it was on Europe, or early on, Europe

00:31:44.000 now would probably have no holds barred, but when Europe was a more conservative Christian country,

00:31:49.000 they voted on it, and they reached the consensus that first trimester allowed anything after that,

00:31:57.000 maybe third trimester absolutely banned. So it's not really, like people have these opinions,

00:32:03.000 right? We all have opinions, I try to have opinions, I try to have them based on facts.

00:32:07.000 You can't really have an opinion on a federal abortion ban and where it would go.

00:32:12.000 There's actually an answer to it.

00:32:14.000 You would lose.

00:32:15.000 You'd lose that every time. You'd lose everything.

00:32:17.000 Well, that's what I sort of, my friends who are, you know, all the way on the issue, I asked them, I was like, so, you know, it has been sort of decided, right?

00:32:26.000 I use the Ohio example because like 75% and it's not like this was 75% of California.

00:32:31.000 This was 75% of our plus 12, you know, state went for Trump twice.

00:32:36.000 And I say, you know, sort of, you know where the left is sort of going these days.

00:32:41.000 I mean, it's totalitarian, it's very extreme, and yet they want to run the entire election on this one issue because they know it's a winning issue for them.

00:32:49.000 So the question really is how much are conservatives willing to sacrifice?

00:32:53.000 Are you willing to give up your First Amendment, certainly your Second Amendment, and all the other amendments, and basically the freedoms that we enjoy and love as Americans?

00:33:03.000 For this issue that seems to have already been lost, at least in the minds of people, until we figure out either how to message it better or just do a better job on the issue.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, and you lose on abortion, which is what I tell them.

00:33:14.000 I go, it's not like you're compromising on, okay, well, maybe we'll lose a little here, but we'll win on abortion.

00:33:21.000 Because a lot of people are saying, I won't compromise on it all.

00:33:24.000 I mean, you won't compromise on it all, but not the way you're saying it.

00:33:28.000 You won't compromise on it at all because you won't have any political power.

00:33:33.000 So you lose the whole abortion, right?

00:33:35.000 So I see these people, it's like a suicide pact or something where they're going, we will not compromise on this issue at all.

00:33:42.000 Well, yeah, you won't.

00:33:44.000 You can't in California compromise on the issue because you've just lost it completely.

00:33:48.000 And in other states, you've just lost it completely.

00:33:50.000 So I don't know, honestly, what people are thinking when they talk like that.

00:33:55.000 Do they think that if they say we won't compromise at all, That somehow they're magically going to win, and then they're going to be in a position to run the table at negotiation, right?

00:34:06.000 Yeah. I don't think that's ever playing out, and that's the reality.

00:34:10.000 Also, there is some irony, and you do a pretty good job on your various feeds calling out sort of the hypocrisy sometimes of the right.

00:34:17.000 It's like, we're all about federalism, and we want it to be with the states, except for this one, because it doesn't seem to be working in our favor.

00:34:24.000 And you can't kind of have it both ways in our system of beliefs.

00:34:29.000 Right. And again, unfortunately, people aren't looking, they're not looking at the board.

00:34:35.000 They're not realizing that it's a complete disaster for abortion and every other issue to claim that you're not compromising.

00:34:44.000 And then even something I say to people that really upsets them, What I don't really mind is I go, look, man, their people went to prison for 11 years for sitting peacefully in front of abortion clinics.

00:34:54.000 They're prosecuted under the FACE Act.

00:34:56.000 There are so many things that could have been fought and aren't fought.

00:35:01.000 That you could not compromise on.

00:35:03.000 How did the FACE Act happen?

00:35:04.000 Why was that allowed? Why was there no movement to repeal the FACE Act?

00:35:07.000 Why is it that if you're a peaceful person, because I've watched the videos in DC, they're just sitting there.

00:35:13.000 They're not doing anything violent.

00:35:16.000 11 years in prison.

00:35:17.000 There are so many other things that we can talk about.

00:35:20.000 If you want to say, oh, we're not compromising on this issue.

00:35:23.000 Well, what have you done to help these people?

00:35:25.000 Oh, nothing, because you're in DC. Guess what?

00:35:27.000 You go to DC, you don't have any rights.

00:35:30.000 Right? You're not doing anything.

00:35:32.000 So it's like we're like, what always kind of bothers me is like big talkers.

00:35:37.000 Like, oh yeah, I'm this.

00:35:39.000 We're not going to do that.

00:35:40.000 We're going to fight. It's like, no, you're not, bro.

00:35:41.000 You're like me sitting somewhere talking.

00:35:44.000 You're not going to go to prison for the FACE Act.

00:35:46.000 You're not going to go stand in front of a clinic.

00:35:48.000 Right? So we're already compromising on it every day when we debate the issues democratically, which we should, by the way, instead of risking a FACE Act prosecution.

00:35:58.000 So everybody who's saying we're not compromising, you are.

00:36:02.000 We all are. When you live in a democratic society with laws, you make compromises every day and you accept things that you might view as immoral every day of your life.

00:36:11.000 And the challenge...

00:36:16.000 Your conscience is when you can't tolerate it anymore, and then of course what you do.

00:36:22.000 But that can lead down a very dark path too.

00:36:25.000 So it's very complicated.

00:36:27.000 A lot of people aren't talking about it with any sort of moral nuance, because if you really think about it, it's a challenging issue consciously.

00:36:35.000 Well, you're right. I mean, we are also sort of discriminated on unequally, right?

00:36:39.000 I mean, there's not sort of left-wing protesters protesting whatever they want, being thrown in jail for even having some convictions, let alone just showing up peacefully.

00:36:50.000 So it is different.

00:36:53.000 But all the more reason to understand sort of what's coming down the pipeline if you're willing to lose everything for an issue that's already been lost.

00:37:01.000 That to me is perhaps the scariest part.

00:37:03.000 I think, you know, that could have been a big...

00:37:05.000 I know you sort of talked a lot about sort of Ron DeSantis and his run, and that could have been sort of the kiss of death when he tried to go further right than even Trump, who did eliminate Roe Witt indirectly, I guess, through Supreme Court picks, etc., etc.

00:37:17.000 That was like almost the moment of like, okay, that ain't going to work.

00:37:20.000 This is not going to be a winning plan for him no matter what.

00:37:23.000 Right, and DeSantis signed that abortion ban after he was re-elected.

00:37:27.000 That's another issue lost in the narrative.

00:37:29.000 They say, well, you're wrong, Cernovich.

00:37:31.000 Because I got into it with all these people.

00:37:34.000 They go, you're wrong, DeSantis signed an abortion ban. 0.99

00:37:36.000 And I said, okay, well, let me look it up, obviously, when it was signed versus when the election was.

00:37:40.000 So he gets re-elected and then he signs it.

00:37:43.000 And now, lo and behold, it's on a Florida ballot where they want to overturn it, overrule it.

00:37:48.000 And people don't, they don't get out of their own ideological preferences, which I have,

00:37:55.000 and understand that it's what people believe and it's how people live.

00:38:00.000 And the right, the conservative movement in general hasn't been good on pronatalism.

00:38:04.000 It hasn't been good on pro-family messaging, pro-family imaging.

00:38:10.000 The Kardashians and people like that took over that space.

00:38:13.000 Reality TV took over that space.

00:38:15.000 And when you're not creating a culture of life and a messaging of life from people,

00:38:22.000 then they just view it as, oh yeah, you're getting an abortion because I don't want a 1.00

00:38:25.000 kid to get in the way of my life.

00:38:27.000 That's how most people think about it.

00:38:29.000 I don't want a kid to get in the way of my life.

00:38:31.000 Why do you think a kid gets in the way of your life?

00:38:33.000 Oh, because all the messaging you're receiving is generally pretty hostile to kids.

00:38:37.000 It's You're taught that it's going to interfere with your life and really it makes your life better.

00:38:42.000 And rather than if you're pro-life or rather than say, hmm, what have I done over the past few years before Roe vs.

00:38:49.000 Wade was overturned? What have I done to promote family?

00:38:52.000 Not just say, oh, have kids, but really in a messaging that people understand and it looks good.

00:38:59.000 What have I done to promote family?

00:39:00.000 And the answer is not too much.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, no, I think that's right.

00:39:03.000 I think you're 100% right about fatherhood.

00:39:04.000 Like I said, growing up in New York City, while I was pretty conservative on every issue, it took a couple experiences in my life having kids to actually have me not be glib about the issue, to be fairly pro-life in my own mind and what I'd love and desire.

00:39:21.000 Again, I'm still able to juxtapose that relative to the rest of society and where they're at.

00:39:26.000 You talked about fatherhood and how good that is.

00:39:30.000 What has fatherhood taught you?

00:39:33.000 I know you have young kids.

00:39:34.000 How important is it to get your children, be with them, get them in the outdoors?

00:39:40.000 What are the shifts that you see in parenting today versus when we were kids?

00:39:45.000 I think parenting today has gotten better because it's very...

00:39:51.000 Maybe collaborative isn't the right word, but it's more kind of dialogue-based.

00:39:55.000 You'll see people, the jiu-jitsu dads or the dads at the parks or the moms at the park, kind of talking to the kids.

00:40:01.000 Whereas when I was a kid, it was more, we're the adults.

00:40:04.000 We're kind of over here.

00:40:06.000 You're over here. You're a little kid at the little kid table.

00:40:09.000 The kids are here.

00:40:11.000 Kids should kind of be seen and not heard.

00:40:13.000 And I had a cool dad. So it wasn't some...

00:40:16.000 He wasn't some ominous figure in my life, but you didn't just talk to them, right?

00:40:21.000 So I remember I had this weird moment with my older one when she was maybe four or five, and she's like, Dad, you want to take a walk around the neighborhood?

00:40:30.000 And I thought, well, that's weird.

00:40:31.000 You know, just go take a walk together?

00:40:33.000 Sure. And we just walked and talked.

00:40:35.000 And I go, oh, I didn't do anything like this when I was a kid.

00:40:39.000 Where you would talk to your kids, listen to your kids, see what they had to say about things.

00:40:43.000 It was more you would receive instruction.

00:40:46.000 So if you had a good dad, which a lot of people didn't, so I'm not complaining about mine.

00:40:50.000 But it was more like, okay, here's what you got to do.

00:40:53.000 This is the way it is.

00:40:54.000 All right, now go get on your bike.

00:40:55.000 Go play with your friends.

00:40:57.000 Come home when the lights are out.

00:40:59.000 And... Then we'll hang out or whatever and have dinner.

00:41:02.000 So now people are definitely more about the dialogue with the kids, especially, which I think is good.

00:41:09.000 People on X try to argue with me about that.

00:41:12.000 We'll see how it ends in the next 10 or 20 years.

00:41:15.000 But that's definitely been a huge shift where instead of just saying, look, this is the way it is, my house, my rules, you say, well, I mean, there's a reason for the rules, right?

00:41:25.000 Yeah. There's a reason for We try to rule with some kind of moral legitimacy.

00:41:29.000 It isn't that I'm the dad and that's the end of the discussion.

00:41:32.000 You try to make it look like I'm a just king who has your best interests at heart.

00:41:37.000 It's still a dictatorship, but for the most part, we'll hear you out.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, I've seen that as my kids get older.

00:41:42.000 Like I mentioned my daughter earlier, you know, I'm going to her to see sort of where...

00:41:47.000 Where culture is. I realize as I'm cracking dad jokes in front of our kids, I'm like, oh my god, I got old.

00:41:54.000 I'm not necessarily with it.

00:41:55.000 I don't want to make the mistake of assuming I am.

00:41:58.000 And she happens to be sort of a very mature 16-year-old.

00:42:00.000 So I listen to her.

00:42:02.000 My son at 15, totally different mentality.

00:42:05.000 He's great, but it's just...

00:42:07.000 My daughter's thinking about things around the world in a really interesting way.

00:42:11.000 And so it's sort of fascinating to actually have that conversation.

00:42:14.000 I think it allows me to sort of do what I do much more effectively, understanding where that next generation really is.

00:42:21.000 Yeah, you're plugged in definitely to the culture with the other parents.

00:42:25.000 You feel the vibe.

00:42:27.000 You see where things are going on, you know, on the broader level.

00:42:31.000 That's where a lot of people too, I think, get out of touch.

00:42:34.000 It's weird because when you've lived something and then you kind of see somebody talk about something, you realize they're not involved in the area, right?

00:42:43.000 So, like, you're a hunter and if I mentioned a certain kind of shotgun for a certain kind of hunting, you would say, oh, come on, Mike.

00:42:49.000 You've never gone bird hunting before.

00:42:51.000 That's not what you would use on it.

00:42:53.000 But unless you're inside it, then people can get away with saying nonsense because everybody else is kind of saying nonsense and they're jibber-jabbering back and forth, arguing back and forth.

00:43:03.000 And I think especially with kids, I see a lot of comments from people where I think, oh, okay, you either don't have kids or maybe you're not the parent who's involved with the kids because that's not...

00:43:15.000 that's not how people are living off.

00:43:17.000 Because I always read like, oh, kids don't do anything.

00:43:19.000 Kids this, kids that.

00:43:21.000 They're on their iPhones all day.

00:43:22.000 I don't know, I mean, I see kids at the park all the time.

00:43:25.000 Because I take my kids to the park.

00:43:26.000 I take my kids on bikes all the time.

00:43:28.000 I see kids on e-bikes everywhere, right?

00:43:31.000 They're kind of a menace, they're like little biker gangs on e-bikes. 0.99

00:43:34.000 But then you log on to X and all the commentators, oh, kids are not doing anything.

00:43:38.000 I think, man, I don't know, have you gone to a park lately?

00:43:41.000 There's a lot of kids there, right?

00:43:43.000 Well, you know, it's interesting you bring that up.

00:43:45.000 As I said, you're sort of one of my favorite followers on Twitter.

00:43:48.000 I like seeing what you're, but you don't just talk politics.

00:43:51.000 And I think there's a component of what you're saying in that.

00:43:53.000 Like, there's people that are sort of Honestly, the reality is they're not even one subject matter experts because they've frankly been wrong for like the last decade on everything, but that doesn't matter.

00:44:02.000 But you also talk the outdoors, you talk parenting, philosophy, so much more.

00:44:08.000 It feels like one of the few accounts that's sort of out there that's well-rounded.

00:44:13.000 It's just a thousand posts about what someone said on one of the Sunday morning shows.

00:44:18.000 One of the things I've noticed you have, and you've already mentioned it here today, is calling out sort of the weed heads.

00:44:25.000 You've been hitting them pretty hard recently.

00:44:30.000 What's sort of behind that?

00:44:32.000 Why do you think they lash back out of you?

00:44:35.000 And how detrimental is sort of weed head culture in America right now?

00:44:39.000 Yeah, the weed head shift is funny because I was pro-legalizing marijuana.

00:44:45.000 And because, in theory, you think, well, how could it not be legal, right?

00:44:50.000 And the answer is more like, how is it legal and how is alcohol and large consumptions legal?

00:44:55.000 Maybe you should ask why, right?

00:44:57.000 Yeah. Yeah, that was going to be literally where I was going with it, which is like, I actually think that, you know, I know a lot of people that have had issues with alcohol.

00:45:06.000 It runs in my family.

00:45:08.000 I've seen it, like, firsthand.

00:45:09.000 I'm like, if those people smoked weed, the world would actually be a better place if you could get them to stop alcohol and weed.

00:45:15.000 And maybe that's the difference, which is that sort of alcohol is sort of just, it's just understood.

00:45:19.000 It's longer-term culture.

00:45:20.000 It is what it is. But...

00:45:23.000 Yeah, I mean, that dichotomy is really interesting.

00:45:26.000 You don't hear about guys getting too high on weed and beating the hell out of their wives, whereas you do hear about it in alcohol every day.

00:45:35.000 Same with driving, same with a lot of other things.

00:45:38.000 Right. So my answer is neither.

00:45:40.000 And I've noticed that there's a very strong anti-alcohol movement coming from the culture.

00:45:45.000 So this actually dovetails to the abortion discussion.

00:45:48.000 Millions of people don't drink anymore.

00:45:50.000 Millions. And it isn't because the government banned alcohol, even though, as I posted before, there's a lot of evidence prohibition worked.

00:45:58.000 People say, oh, prohibition didn't work.

00:46:00.000 You can't do prohibition on marijuana.

00:46:02.000 And if you go back and look at the history, prohibition did in fact work.

00:46:06.000 So that's not true. You don't have to be in alcohol, necessarily, to get people to stop drinking, right?

00:46:14.000 So, very, alcohol, and my peer group is, people are at least at half what they were doing.

00:46:21.000 A lot of people don't drink anything at all.

00:46:23.000 I host these cigar nights, and I used to drink alcohol at them, not to get drunk, but a few drinks here and there.

00:46:28.000 The last one, almost no one was drinking.

00:46:31.000 And a lot of that is through people providing facts and information, And various vectors.

00:46:36.000 So, you know, I've talked about alcohol for years.

00:46:40.000 You get a fitness tracker and you see what it does to your sleep quality.

00:46:44.000 And then you think, oh man, I'm getting better sleep now since I quit drinking.

00:46:47.000 And then unless you're an alcoholic, you make a conscious choice about it.

00:46:50.000 And you think... I don't know.

00:46:53.000 I mean, what am I really, is it worth losing sleep quality, especially as I get older for it?

00:46:58.000 I don't know. Well, maybe sometimes, sure.

00:47:00.000 Sometimes, you know, it would be.

00:47:01.000 A couple glasses of wine, cigar with a friend after a day of hiking or the hunting lodge or something, sure.

00:47:07.000 But you're actually conscious about it.

00:47:09.000 Whereas before, everybody's just like, oh, yeah.

00:47:11.000 Five o'clock. It's five o'clock somewhere.

00:47:13.000 Let's crack open a bottle, right?

00:47:15.000 Let's have a couple of whiskeys tonight.

00:47:16.000 Let's have some wine tonight.

00:47:17.000 And it was very mindless because that was the culture.

00:47:21.000 The culture was that you did that and nobody really saw a problem with it because most of us didn't struggle with alcohol.

00:47:27.000 So you realize, why not just drink?

00:47:30.000 So more and more people are realizing it.

00:47:31.000 So there's vectors from Huberman.

00:47:33.000 There's been vectors from me.

00:47:35.000 Candace has talked about it for years.

00:47:37.000 Where people are filing, and then people have fitness trackers so you can see the data, you can see what it is, your heart rate, your room quality.

00:47:45.000 And that was what the right or the pro-life people missed on abortion.

00:47:52.000 You need that sort of propaganda campaign on family because the alcohol consumption happens.

00:47:58.000 If you want fewer abortions, you want to encourage people to have more children, right?

00:48:01.000 Well, people are quitting drinking alcohol not because of prohibition, But because they're getting real-time data, their favorite podcasters are all in saunas.

00:48:11.000 Saunas were so expensive like a few years ago.

00:48:14.000 Now you can get $150 one from Costco.

00:48:19.000 Obviously there's nicer ones, but the technology is so improved because now people are like, oh, they want a sauna, they want a cold plunge.

00:48:25.000 Why? Because people are setting good examples.

00:48:27.000 Yeah, I think they did it sort of with cigarettes, right?

00:48:29.000 I mean, you know, I did a quick work trip to Asia recently, and it's like everyone's still smoking cigarettes, but here it's like you see someone smoking cigarettes, it's almost like, oh wait, really?

00:48:40.000 People still do that?

00:48:41.000 And that went from, you know, you went from the Marlboro Man to almost non-existence.

00:48:45.000 It didn't ban them, but, you know, culturally it just became...

00:48:49.000 You know, uncool or not as cool, that it was a really significant change in the way we viewed things.

00:48:57.000 I mean, I grew up on planes in the 80s.

00:48:58.000 People would be smoking cigarettes in a plane, and it was totally common.

00:49:03.000 Right, and that's how people should be thinking about...

00:49:06.000 And that's why I talk more about family, too, because I get a lot of people come up and say, man, you know, you really changed my outlook on having kids.

00:49:12.000 We were waiting. And then I think one of my tweets that made the rounds was...

00:49:17.000 The dumbest thing people do is they get married and then they say, oh, we want to be married for a while before we have kids. 0.93

00:49:24.000 And I said, well, you have brunch again, right? 1.00

00:49:27.000 What are you missing out on?

00:49:29.000 Oh, we need time together as a married couple.

00:49:32.000 Doing what? Waking up, going to brunch, watching The Sopranos at night?

00:49:36.000 Get out of here.

00:49:38.000 So I think that that's more pro-life than just saying, you know, abortion's a sin, you can't do it, I can't believe it, the karma's bad.

00:49:46.000 The pro-life movement has been so focused on fighting against abortion that they didn't fight for childhood or for parenting or show that message to people that...

00:49:57.000 Because I remember when you have kids, you realize it's not what these...

00:50:02.000 Antinatalists say, because you realize the negative voices are always elevated.

00:50:06.000 It's actually pretty great.

00:50:07.000 It's pretty cool. Keeps you on track.

00:50:09.000 Keeps you out of trouble. You can't really sleep in.

00:50:12.000 But, you know, maybe I slept in too much.

00:50:14.000 Maybe, you know, maybe that was a problem anyway.

00:50:16.000 So the messaging on that, alcohol, weed, abortion, all these other vices.

00:50:23.000 Is to focus on the other thing, right?

00:50:27.000 So instead of just saying, don't drink alcohol, bad.

00:50:30.000 That doesn't work. Didn't work when you was a kid.

00:50:32.000 Dare. None of that worked for anyone.

00:50:34.000 Don't ever drink. Oh yeah, that's going to work well.

00:50:36.000 Yeah, yeah. What you tell people is, I don't know, why don't you get a mountain bike and go ride your bike?

00:50:41.000 Why don't you get up early and push your kids in a stroller? 0.91

00:50:44.000 And if you're doing that, you know, get your cardio and push your kids around.

00:50:47.000 If you're doing that, then you think, I'm a little more tired from that drinking last night.

00:50:50.000 Maybe I don't want to drink every night.

00:50:53.000 Maybe it'll be a once a week thing, or maybe once a month thing, or maybe a special occasion thing, because if you're persuading people, you can't just say, don't do that.

00:51:01.000 You can't just say, don't get an abortion.

00:51:03.000 Well, you can, but you lose.

00:51:06.000 Yeah, clearly not winning, just sort of being restrictive in this.

00:51:09.000 But maybe you actually have a new film on its way called Meaning, and it's about the meaning of life.

00:51:16.000 So this is not exactly a small undertaking, but maybe, I mean, is that part of it?

00:51:21.000 Is that part of the meaning of life, Mike?

00:51:24.000 What should people expect from this movie?

00:51:26.000 Is it about changing sort of that mindset and opening up yourself to more to create that meaning?

00:51:31.000 That seems to honestly have been, You know, hit pretty hard over the last few years.

00:51:36.000 Yeah, we're focusing on the disconnect that everyone sort of feels from the way you're living and the way that you think you should be.

00:51:48.000 The way you think you should feel.

00:51:50.000 Instagram versus reality?

00:51:51.000 Yeah. Yeah, or even more, there's a meme with a, it's kind of a cheesy meme, but it shows a guy with a puzzle and there's a missing piece of the puzzle and they put the puzzle in and everything makes sense.

00:52:03.000 And I think most of us are walking around with a piece of the puzzle missing.

00:52:09.000 We can feel that it's missing.

00:52:10.000 And what we do is we distract ourselves.

00:52:13.000 We go for the marijuana.

00:52:14.000 We go for the 777 slot machine.

00:52:16.000 And these small towns that maybe don't have a lot of hope, have a lot of despair.

00:52:22.000 Because every time I drive through the Midwest, man, it's bummer, dude.

00:52:25.000 It's bummer. Everywhere you go is those slot machines.

00:52:28.000 And... They got legalized gambling.

00:52:31.000 Everybody said it was a good idea.

00:52:32.000 I think people are really going to regret that.

00:52:34.000 Just like legalized marijuana, people are really going to regret that, especially in five or ten years when we have more data available.

00:52:41.000 So what we're trying to focus on with the film is...

00:52:45.000 Following people and traditions that have found some sort of meaningful way to live and some meaningful connection with yourself, and then present different points of views, different religious points of views, and leave it to the viewer to decide.

00:53:02.000 Yeah, I mean, it's something I've talked about quite a bit.

00:53:04.000 There seems to be that struggle for so many Americans, just finding meaning, finding a purpose.

00:53:09.000 I said, really, during...

00:53:10.000 Really, the COVID lockdowns contributed so much to that, right?

00:53:13.000 People sat on their couches. They weren't able to go out.

00:53:16.000 I mean, they shut down gyms.

00:53:18.000 It was sort of insane, you know, but, like, Starbucks, that was very necessary.

00:53:22.000 That was a critical business.

00:53:23.000 It must stay open. It's, you know, who paid their lobbyists the most?

00:53:28.000 But a lot of that was...

00:53:30.000 Really about reducing work and life to sitting in bed and doing an email job.

00:53:35.000 How do you see that?

00:53:36.000 How do you see that progressing?

00:53:38.000 Because it doesn't seem like that's going away anytime soon.

00:53:40.000 No, and honestly, that's a great point.

00:53:43.000 I hadn't thought about it in those terms, where people are more and more, there's a reductionism happening to people where, I use the term goober, muppet, where they're just sitting around and they have all this angst So clearly that isn't it.

00:53:59.000 Because if you try to ask someone, oh, what's the meaning of life?

00:54:02.000 There's that sci-fi film and you get a number at the end.

00:54:05.000 It's a very impossible question to answer with words that are going to make sense to everybody.

00:54:12.000 But you can tell everybody, hey, this ain't it, man.

00:54:16.000 Whatever this, laying on the couch, being wound up, watching internet pornography, Smoking weed all day, you know, getting drunk.

00:54:25.000 You know that ain't it because you know that you feel alienated.

00:54:28.000 You know that you feel disconnected from ultimate reality.

00:54:32.000 And that's why, you know, church attendance declining is kind of a chicken and egg problem.

00:54:37.000 Why do people quit going to church?

00:54:38.000 Well, because church has changed your message.

00:54:40.000 But people don't go to church where they don't have spiritual traditions.

00:54:43.000 And then that further alienates them from...

00:54:47.000 Ultimate reality. Fundamentally, I believe that we're alienated from God, and that's why there's this gap between where we are and where we should be.

00:54:55.000 But I don't want to, in the movie, push a religious message on people because we have enough religious movies.

00:55:00.000 But it's more getting people to realize that if you look at the Garden of Eden as a metaphor and not a literal story, the meaning behind that metaphor would be that all of us kind of feel that there was a time where things were the way they were supposed to be.

00:55:16.000 And now we're just running around like animals, completely lost, we're completely disconnected from something.

00:55:22.000 So what is it that we're disconnected from and how are we going to get reconnected to that?

00:55:28.000 What do you think happens sort of, you know, with the sort of the advent of AI? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, right?

00:55:34.000 It seems like it's actually, it's not replacing farmers. 0.98

00:55:36.000 It's replacing menial sort of bullshit, like desk job type jobs. 0.97

00:55:42.000 You know, the reporters that used to, you know, oh, yeah, learn to code. 0.98

00:55:46.000 Like, looks like they're the ones learning to code.

00:55:47.000 Now you put in a couple of talking points and, you know, you can crank out an article in 0.2 seconds.

00:55:52.000 But it seems like that will...

00:55:56.000 And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing because it seems like it's getting rid of some of the mundane, the inane stuff that people do that kept them busy.

00:56:03.000 But what happens as it progresses and that technology is there and so much of the stuff that has kept people at least busy, even if it's just sort of tedious, busy work, and that just disappears and it's done by a computer in milliseconds?

00:56:17.000 Every technological advancement up until now...

00:56:20.000 It has seemed like it was going to destroy and it ended up changing society for the better.

00:56:26.000 So the internet has given more people opportunity to e-commerce, more people to run, especially a lot of mom, like I read a lot of the mom Instagrams and mom blogs, a lot of people who it's not a full-time career, but they have a side thing that really helps, especially when you're new family, a little thing on the side can make a, make a big difference as a car payments, a real, real big difference.

00:56:46.000 So I'm of the belief that AI is probably After a brief period of upending things will be a net positive for people.

00:56:55.000 It'll be like social media.

00:56:56.000 It'll give people more of a...

00:56:58.000 Even though social media has problems, obviously.

00:57:00.000 It'll give people more of an outlet.

00:57:01.000 It'll give people who maybe have ideas but don't have the technical skills to do things, the ability to do that.

00:57:10.000 And I think it'll make people more productive.

00:57:12.000 There will be maybe a hollowing out of people with the...

00:57:15.000 There was a book many years ago called Bullshit Jobs.

00:57:18.000 Which is the corporate jobs people have and you're shuffling papers back and forth or like the movie Office Space.

00:57:25.000 You go in, you're not sure what anybody does.

00:57:27.000 Great movies. Yeah, and you got five managers above you and you're thinking, what is it that we do?

00:57:32.000 We're so disconnected from our product.

00:57:33.000 So it may eliminate some of those, but I'm more of the mind that it's going to be a net good.

00:57:40.000 So you mentioned sort of social media as a positive right there.

00:57:44.000 Is it, or does it end up being one of these things where so many people see fictitious reality, right?

00:57:53.000 It's out there. I'm probably guilty of it myself, but everything looks great.

00:57:56.000 There's no issues. Everyone lives this perfect life, but...

00:57:59.000 People then, oh man, I don't have that.

00:58:01.000 Maybe it's aspirational and maybe that makes it good, or maybe it sort of creates a sort of keeping up with the Joneses type of thing where people are miserable because they don't have the artificial reality that they believe someone else to have, even in their own peer groups.

00:58:15.000 Right, but if you think of keeping up with the Joneses, that was something people said when we were kids, before social media, right?

00:58:21.000 There's always been this memetic desire of the neighbor got a new car, the neighbor got a new fridge, I need that.

00:58:28.000 That's more of a meaning issue, right?

00:58:29.000 That's more of an issue that people want to find out while they're chasing that dragon of consumer consumption.

00:58:35.000 My view of social media is...

00:58:38.000 That has completely changed society for the better in nearly every way, despite its downsides.

00:58:45.000 So one example is that before social media, we'll go political and then we'll take it not political.

00:58:52.000 But before social media, they just lie about Trump.

00:58:56.000 They just lie. And what do you do?

00:58:58.000 Write a letter to the editor? Seriously.

00:59:00.000 A newsletter?

00:59:02.000 Send a newsletter out? Maybe some small magazine from Reason Magazine or something comes out a month later?

00:59:09.000 Once you go back and you start looking at the historical account of various events, you realize, man, we were completely lied and there was no way to counter propaganda, right?

00:59:20.000 Another thing, so that's the political component where- Although that still happens today.

00:59:24.000 I mean, I think X has certainly changed for the better, but I mean, it was one of the, let's call it enablers of the propaganda and the suppressors of- Truth or reality for many years.

00:59:36.000 All of the meta platforms are still very much that way.

00:59:39.000 You see the censorship even on TikTok.

00:59:42.000 And then you've got the whole Chinese propaganda component of that. 0.99

00:59:47.000 The algorithm in America encourages people to love and admire the dumbest of human beings. 0.88

00:59:53.000 But in China, if you're a young kid doing physics projects, you're the hero. 0.95

00:59:57.000 And it's like, man, it's a psyop.

01:00:00.000 Well, but think about, even under the prior Twitter regime, there was still a lot of pushback.

01:00:09.000 Covington, Kyle Rittenhouse would be in prison for life, for sure, if it weren't for social media.

01:00:14.000 If you look at multiple hoaxes against Trump, those were kind of busted in real time.

01:00:20.000 And if you think back to, say, the Iraq war debate, for example, the Iraq war debate was the regime media, CNN, We're good to go.

01:00:45.000 The deep state people, the neocons struggle so much, they think it's still 2003, where you can just say, oh, we're going to put your name on the cover of a magazine, and that's the end of you.

01:00:55.000 So the political discourse is way more rich.

01:00:57.000 There's way more opportunities to push back.

01:01:00.000 And even under Facebook, even under the censorship, is so much better than not having it.

01:01:08.000 I mean, the purges still exist.

01:01:10.000 I mean, they fired Tucker Carlson, the number one host of, you know, on cable television, because he questioned a lot of, you know, that same narrative.

01:01:16.000 And that happened last year, right?

01:01:18.000 So it's still going on.

01:01:19.000 But I guess you're right. He has the ability and a platform now to get that same message out there, not through conventional means.

01:01:26.000 Right. And even bad Twitter, old Twitter, you were still able to push back against a lot of the lies and deceit.

01:01:33.000 So on a political level, we might be a communist country already.

01:01:37.000 We might already be in a starvation, famine type scenario from the regime if they'd have been able to roll up power.

01:01:45.000 COVID got a lot of pushback through social media.

01:01:47.000 They banned a lot of people, but there was a lot of pushback too, man.

01:01:50.000 There was a lot of pushback. I think that what...

01:01:52.000 We, who live in this world a little too much, do as we kind of take it for granted that we were actually able to push back, whereas without it, there just would be no pushback. 0.91

01:02:05.000 The media would have said millions of people are dying as a Spanish fool all over again. 0.63

01:02:09.000 We might still be under lockdown, right? 0.97

01:02:11.000 So as bad as it...

01:02:14.000 Here's the problem, and this is why we evaluate social media from the prism of an idealized version.

01:02:21.000 The idealized version is that we know that conservatives and right-wing wins in landslides.

01:02:28.000 We know that if you have truth.

01:02:29.000 We know that because every story that the media pushed ended up being a huge hoax.

01:02:35.000 As the probably number two target of Russia, Russia, Russia, yes, I understand all too well. 0.99

01:02:41.000 Right, exactly. So if we had real truth, those stories from the media never even happened.

01:02:46.000 And then we got real news and real truth coming out there.

01:02:50.000 But then Republicans would have control of the presidency, the House and Senate.

01:02:54.000 We'd have supermajorities, right?

01:02:56.000 So we're saying, well, that's what we should have, and we don't have it.

01:03:00.000 Therefore, it's bad.

01:03:02.000 Whereas the answer is, that's what we should have.

01:03:06.000 If we didn't have social media, it would be way worse where the regime would completely control the narrative.

01:03:13.000 And that's why I love social media.

01:03:16.000 I love it as much as I complained about prior regimes.

01:03:20.000 I still was on the site all the time trying to, you know, here's the line.

01:03:24.000 Okay, you can't say this.

01:03:25.000 You can't say that. Push it.

01:03:26.000 And then if you look at social media not politically, like I had a funny thought the other day.

01:03:32.000 I was taking my kids, my daughters to present jujitsu.

01:03:36.000 And I said, man, 20 years ago, nobody, you know, trained jujitsu.

01:03:41.000 There are hardly any black belts anywhere.

01:03:43.000 And now everybody's cousin's brother is trained or trains.

01:03:47.000 My wife's cousin is a purple belt, right? 0.97

01:03:51.000 That's so common if you look at it that way.

01:03:54.000 If you go to the gym, so many people actually know what they're doing.

01:03:58.000 Because the guys like us, we just had muscle magazines.

01:04:00.000 We didn't have video. And the muscle magazines promoted a certain agenda.

01:04:04.000 So you go in and you see a lot of people who are in their 20s and they actually know what they're doing.

01:04:09.000 Hunting culture, gun culture, everywhere you look at it. 0.92

01:04:12.000 Because people are able to plug into the microculture.

01:04:14.000 So you're always going to have people...

01:04:16.000 Who have this mimetic desire, mimetic envy for what other people have.

01:04:20.000 Oh, he's got the alien gun.

01:04:22.000 I don't have that. I feel like less of a person.

01:04:25.000 There's always going to be that kind of person.

01:04:27.000 But there's also going to be that person who says, oh, I saw that guy get an AR lower.

01:04:32.000 And I see he's building out something.

01:04:34.000 Actually, I could build that out.

01:04:35.000 I could build that out if I saved up for that.

01:04:37.000 And, you know, get my components and set things up, right?

01:04:40.000 So you have way more of that.

01:04:43.000 You have, like, we're homeschoolers, and that's all culture, social media.

01:04:51.000 Or family, the parenting stuff's good.

01:04:54.000 Okay, you know, I never thought about that.

01:04:55.000 Or you see somebody with a rock climbing wall.

01:04:58.000 I never would have thought about that.

01:04:59.000 They're not even expensive. That's not even keeping up with the Joneses.

01:05:02.000 You go, oh man, that's cool. You can literally, you take a couple, you know, drill right into a stud and let a kid hang there and build up hand strength for it.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, that's fair.

01:05:12.000 But so, you know, as you're talking about that, people talk a lot about sort of a vibe shift going on right now.

01:05:17.000 I think you probably put it best with a shift in the zeitgeist.

01:05:21.000 What's your sense of where those vibes are right now?

01:05:26.000 Where is the country?

01:05:28.000 Yeah, I was with some people who were Republican but didn't like Trump or vote Trump in 2020.

01:05:38.000 And we were at a dinner and one of them said, man, after...

01:05:42.000 I think it was right after the New York case, the Alvin Brad case.

01:05:45.000 He said, after that, I voted for Trump.

01:05:47.000 And a couple other people at the table were like, me too.

01:05:50.000 And these were... They weren't never Trumpers, but they just...

01:05:53.000 They lost the plot and didn't vote them in 2020.

01:05:56.000 And I've seen that way, way more often now, where people realize that the whole—because the regime went so far that the whole thing is legitimate.

01:06:05.000 It's one thing if you're like me or you and you're on X, you can see things debunked in real time.

01:06:10.000 Most people aren't getting the debunks in real time.

01:06:14.000 It takes months to filter down to them, right?

01:06:17.000 I mean, there's people that think that January 6th was an insurrection.

01:06:21.000 Like, you know, it happened to be the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world.

01:06:25.000 They're not, you know, they're not questioning how people can be in jail, you know, three and a half years later with no due process.

01:06:31.000 Like, it's totally lost on them.

01:06:33.000 And they're like, and some of these people are like intelligent, like, you know...

01:06:37.000 By whatever metric you want to measure that, whether it's the schools they attended, their SAT scores, their network.

01:06:42.000 They're not dumb people, but man, they've been living in some sort of alternate universe. 0.92

01:06:48.000 Yeah, their information flow is bad. 0.95

01:06:50.000 And with the legal cases against Trump, everybody knew this is way too far. 0.66

01:06:56.000 This is complete lunacy.

01:06:59.000 So that was even with the Alvin Bragg before the other ones.

01:07:02.000 And that was a major sentiment for Trump.

01:07:04.000 And then what...

01:07:07.000 This is less prevalent than that, but what's happening with people is they're realizing that, hey, New York City didn't look like, this is a choice, right?

01:07:18.000 LA, the LA people, they're still obviously going to be 90% for Biden, but we're talking about the trickle-down effects and the overall change in sentiment, where you look at LA and you realize, No, that's a choice.

01:07:31.000 It doesn't have to look like that.

01:07:32.000 You voted for this.

01:07:35.000 Right? Because a lot of people go, oh, California's a crap hole and this and that. 1.00

01:07:40.000 And I said, well, you're a victim of the propaganda because you think all of California is LA and San Francisco, and you don't even know it snows in California, or you don't even know where Temecula is, where they fly Trump flags everywhere, and everybody's got trucks, so you've never been to Big Bear. 0.94

01:07:54.000 So... The more and more people are realizing, hey, these places are bad.

01:08:00.000 Maybe you can't really save them.

01:08:01.000 But that's a choice, and we're not going to make that choice.

01:08:05.000 And you realize you've got to vote for Trump.

01:08:06.000 Or take Israel and Palestine. 0.59

01:08:08.000 Whether you're Israel or Palestine on the issue, everybody knows Hamas doesn't do that October 7th thing with Trump.

01:08:15.000 Because they know that Trump just would have got the guys in Qatar.

01:08:18.000 Everybody knows because he took out Slovenia.

01:08:20.000 Everybody knows he would have done it.

01:08:21.000 So Hamas never would have done that.

01:08:23.000 Same with Putin in Ukraine, by the way.

01:08:25.000 I mean, probably a bigger issue because it's costing us $130 billion.

01:08:29.000 Right. Yeah, anywhere you look, you realize, well, Putin didn't invade Russia, or rather, Putin didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was in office, but he took territory during Obama's reign, right?

01:08:42.000 He took territory during Biden's reign.

01:08:45.000 So you now have a choice, man.

01:08:47.000 You have a choice.

01:08:49.000 You could be in denial and live in delusion when Trump is in office because you didn't really have anything to compare it to, but now you have a choice.

01:08:56.000 You look and you see and you have to decide.

01:08:59.000 If you're going to allow—I don't even know.

01:09:03.000 By now, anybody who claims to be Republican or conservative won't vote for Trump.

01:09:07.000 It's some psychological complex they have with their own dad, honestly.

01:09:11.000 There's no rational— You have daddy issues.

01:09:13.000 There is. Even in 2020, there was no rational reason to be conservative in 2020 and voting against Trump on principle or something.

01:09:21.000 We know what Joe Biden did to Clarence Thomas during the confirmation hearings. 0.99

01:09:25.000 Joe Biden has always been a craven man, always been a serial liar. 0.98

01:09:29.000 He was never a decent person. 0.99

01:09:30.000 Any problem that you have with Trump, real or fabricated, Joe Biden had it.

01:09:36.000 Joe Biden used his kids as props when his wife died.

01:09:38.000 You name it. He puts Trump to shame.

01:09:41.000 Trump's worst moment to shame.

01:09:43.000 And So there was never any reason to not vote for Trump in 2020.

01:09:48.000 But now, if after seeing the past four years, you're a conservative Republican and vote for Trump, it really is some kind of psychological issue that they have with their own father or an absentee father, and they need to go to therapy for sure.

01:10:02.000 I mean, with the Middle East blowing up, you know, under Joe Biden, you know, just to keep on this theme, you have Ukraine, obviously.

01:10:09.000 What is it about him or this presidency that's literally just seemingly causing war, right?

01:10:14.000 You're talking about, you know, they're flying planes into Guyana and Venezuela.

01:10:18.000 And I'm like, are we on like a three-front war?

01:10:21.000 No one has articulated what victory looks like.

01:10:23.000 What is it about them that's causing this?

01:10:26.000 Is it just... I always say it's sort of the nature of predation, right?

01:10:29.000 You see weakness and a predator strikes.

01:10:31.000 That's what they do. This is a story as old as time.

01:10:34.000 What's your take? Well, that's part of it.

01:10:36.000 Another part of it is because Trump changed the way war is conducted.

01:10:41.000 So there's a quote about war which goes something along the lines of, war is where men who don't know each other We're good to go. 0.97

01:11:09.000 That's the way war was always conducted, and that's why it's allowed to be conducted. 1.00

01:11:14.000 And what Trump did, especially, was he did targeted hits on the decision-makers, right?

01:11:20.000 And so Manny was the one that everybody knows about, but there's way more.

01:11:24.000 That was one of the first things they did to change counterterrorism during the Trump administration, was they just said, no, no, we're going to go after the shot callers now.

01:11:32.000 And when you go after the shot callers, they start to think, I don't know, maybe it's not such a good idea.

01:11:37.000 Yeah, I read some stat over the weekend.

01:11:40.000 It was something like, you know, grossly disproportional death rate for leaders, you know, generals, and, you know, from like the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and all these things, because those guys were guys leading the charge.

01:11:53.000 Today, they're not.

01:11:54.000 It's the opposite. Right, and if you're the leadership of Hamas in the palace, you're fine to organize some attack against kibbutz by random people in Gaza and Hamas people, because you're not going to feel any of that.

01:12:36.000 There's no consequence. So you send people who don't know each other to fight and kill each other, while you and Netanyahu and everybody are playing the chessboard, right? 0.64

01:12:47.000 So with Trump, Again, this is one of the most underreported aspects of his administration, was that they changed counterterrorism for the better.

01:12:57.000 They also gave a lot more discretion to CAG and these other guys on the ground to make their own decisions.

01:13:03.000 And you knew that you couldn't get away with this kind of stuff.

01:13:06.000 And under Biden, who knows who's calling the shots?

01:13:09.000 Who knows who's in charge?

01:13:11.000 And everybody knows that they can order attacks and there won't be any repercussions to them.

01:13:16.000 Because... You know, we can look at what Israel is doing and people argue about that, which, you know, we're not here to do today.

01:13:22.000 But you can look at that.

01:13:24.000 And do you think the leadership of Hamas cares that that's happening?

01:13:28.000 No, that's good for them. No, it's the greatest fundraiser in the history of the world for them.

01:13:33.000 Right. And yeah, there's no real cost.

01:13:35.000 If they cared about human life, if they cared about the lives of their others, they wouldn't hide behind their school children or in hospitals, right?

01:13:42.000 I mean, it seems pretty clear.

01:13:44.000 I guess the corollary to that is, though, you know, we don't need to talk about the issue of what's going on now.

01:13:48.000 I think, you know, that's obviously a mess, but October 7th.

01:13:56.000 How did this happen in Israel?

01:13:58.000 Do you believe that this is some organic attack that no one knew about, that no one could question?

01:14:03.000 What are your thoughts on the origins of this?

01:14:06.000 Because just understanding how the IDF works, understanding their intelligence, could this actually happen and no one had a hint of knowledge they flew hang gliders into?

01:14:17.000 The whole thing seems off.

01:14:20.000 It's a very tracked nation.

01:14:23.000 The area, the Gaza is very monitored.

01:14:26.000 They know where everyone lives.

01:14:27.000 They know where all the cell phone reception...

01:14:29.000 They have all the cell phones intercepted.

01:14:31.000 They have Stinger set up.

01:14:33.000 They're doing all the intel.

01:14:35.000 So on the one hand, it is odd and unusual that such a small country, which is a point that a lot of people don't realize is how small the country really is.

01:14:45.000 People think, oh, Israel, country, it must be the size of America.

01:14:49.000 No, it's maybe the size of Delaware in terms of Delaware's county.

01:14:54.000 Most people don't even know where to find Delaware on a map.

01:14:56.000 So you would think, why couldn't they have helicopters there?

01:14:59.000 Why couldn't there have been more resources?

01:15:03.000 On the other hand, attacks do happen.

01:15:05.000 The enemy gets a vote, right?

01:15:07.000 One of the great...

01:15:10.000 Mistakes that we all make in business life or personal life or in politics is not understanding the enemy gets a vote.

01:15:17.000 And if Hamas had been orchestrating and planning this for a very long time, then eventually they were going to pull something off because they were trying to do this for a while. 0.53

01:15:27.000 So I'm not—definitely in Israel, they're calling for an investigation to answer these kinds of questions that you ask, which is funny because whenever anybody asks them, like when Charlie Kirk does— Americans, how dare you ask?

01:15:38.000 It's like, well, you should pick up some Israeli media because they all want an explanation.

01:15:44.000 They also wonder if it's Annette now in his best interest to keep the war dragging on because if the war ends, then he's probably going to be out of office and have even maybe bigger problems.

01:15:55.000 So there's a lot of that.

01:15:56.000 Oh, it cuts both ways.

01:15:58.000 I mean, then you also talk about sort of the, hey, is the response...

01:16:02.000 You know, is it overkill or is it necessary?

01:16:04.000 I mean, you know, if you don't sort of take out the leadership now, you've already kind of probably lost the PR war, but they always will, given the world in which we live.

01:16:11.000 And I was sort of shocked, you know, at the American response.

01:16:14.000 I graduated from Penn, one of the schools that couldn't testify that basically calling for the rape and murder of children in the streets, you know, would be a violation of their community conduct code. 0.99

01:16:23.000 I have a feeling, you know, as a Penn frat boy, if I'd have said anything even remotely like that, I'd have been thrown out on my ass. 0.99

01:16:29.000 But, you know, so... 0.98

01:16:31.000 What was perhaps more telling than anything was just sort of the response globally afterwards. 0.96

01:16:36.000 So then it's like, well, if you're losing the PR war, do you just try to win the regular war so you don't have to deal with this shit every six months, year, two years, whenever it's happening? 0.84

01:16:44.000 And, you know, I understand that too in terms of sort of the aggressive retaliation. 0.97

01:16:49.000 It's not nice. It's not kind.

01:16:51.000 It would not be something that you could say in polite society, but we don't live in polite society.

01:16:56.000 We live in reality. Right.

01:16:58.000 The Israel situation is complicated because for everything that you said and more, so for example, during the October 7th attack, it wasn't just Hamas that did all this orgy of violence.

01:17:11.000 They broke through the lines.

01:17:13.000 They were killing people. And then a lot of so-called civilians came in, were stealing things off of dead bodies.

01:17:18.000 They were joining in the killing.

01:17:20.000 They were stabbing people. So I think of it like I always try to go through life with, A lot of seeing things from your perspective.

01:17:27.000 The other perspective, even if I don't validate it, I think, what would it be like?

01:17:32.000 So, you know, you imagine you're in Israel, and a lot of those kibbutzes were left. 0.98

01:17:36.000 That's the thing Americans don't know, because in a way, the conversation about Israel and America harms Israel.

01:17:42.000 Because if you plug in American media, you think Israel is some right-wing, far-right-wing country, which I wish it were. 0.88

01:17:49.000 Yeah. But they have left-wing movement too, and they had a lot of left-wing Israelis who wanted a two-state solution.

01:17:55.000 Earnestly, we're seeking that.

01:17:57.000 The kibbutz is a collectivism. 0.95

01:17:58.000 That's almost a form of communism.

01:18:00.000 People at music festivals, for the most part, they're not voting right-wing, right?

01:18:05.000 So if you're them, and you see, okay, so Hamas breaks through, and now all these regular Gazan citizens come and loot, kill, join in on the violence— You're thinking, okay, this is awful.

01:18:17.000 What a tragedy. You're expecting everyone to say, hey, this is bad.

01:18:22.000 I can't believe this happened.

01:18:24.000 And then maybe your war posture is going to be different.

01:18:26.000 You think, okay, we're dealing with people that we can reason with.

01:18:31.000 And instead, people are going, well, I don't know if we even believe this even happened.

01:18:35.000 It's like, come on, dude. We all saw that girl in the truck.

01:18:37.000 I remember having this conversation with people where I go, I don't know that if it was 1,400 people, numbers, you can always dispute.

01:18:44.000 We all saw what we saw, man.

01:18:46.000 And so if you're an Israeli and you see Hamas breaks in, Gaza's coming behind them, joining on the violence, everybody pretends like it doesn't happen, and then when they can't deny that it happened, they downplay it or they rationalize it.

01:19:04.000 Then you are going to say what you just said.

01:19:06.000 Well, we might as well just go to town because we're not dealing with same logical actors and we're going to solve this problem with as much force as we want to use.

01:19:18.000 But then the problem in American media, they always go, how dare you, Sir, claiming that Israel is not the most just army.

01:19:25.000 It's like more just than American army, right?

01:19:27.000 Now, that's again where...

01:19:30.000 And that's where the American pro-Israel movement harms Israel, because then it makes it so that people don't even want to talk about it, like we are in a reasonable way.

01:19:39.000 And then what happens? Well, then you have the real nutjobbers or the October 7th deniers kind of leading the discussion.

01:19:45.000 And then that becomes a narrative, which becomes inherently anti-Israel.

01:19:49.000 But yeah, if I'm an Israeli, I don't know that I do much differently than they've done.

01:19:55.000 It's easy for me to, oh, I'm judging.

01:19:56.000 I'll be a moral judge because I have some great God insight into how they're doing things.

01:20:02.000 But all things considered, if I'm them, I don't know that I do much different.

01:20:07.000 Well, so you're talking about this as sort of, you know, at least somewhat, I don't want

01:20:11.000 to say a fabrication of the media, but certainly, you know, the driving of a narrative within

01:20:17.000 You put together a great documentary, and I guess it was 2018, called Hoax, and it was on the fake news media.

01:20:25.000 How much worse has the fake news gotten since 2018?

01:20:29.000 Have they learned anything, or are they just doubling down because they see this sort of, the threat to their hegemony?

01:20:37.000 Yeah, their ethics have gotten worse, but there are fewer hoaxes because Trump's not in the White House, so they can't manufacture stuff against him every day, right?

01:20:47.000 Because I'm sure you remember during the Trump years, you would read something and you would know who leaked it.

01:20:53.000 And you're like, this is so fake.

01:20:54.000 And I know that this person shopped it around to five other people and nobody would take it.

01:20:59.000 I was in the room for like a lot of them.

01:21:01.000 I'm like, this is just not.

01:21:03.000 But it was the gospel. According to the media, it was the gospel.

01:21:06.000 Just like, you know, of course, Trump colluded with Russia because obviously he needed the money or something.

01:21:10.000 I don't know. So now the media ratings are so down and starving because we've never had more real news happening with Biden.

01:21:18.000 But they don't want to report that.

01:21:19.000 They don't want to cover that, let alone all of the thinly sourced two intelligence officials speaking on a condition of anonymity have said X, Y, and Z about the orange man, right?

01:21:29.000 So we should be in a news renaissance of how bad the Biden administration is and how corrupt it is and how terrible it is.

01:21:39.000 So we're not getting much news.

01:21:40.000 So now they have to really reach for things.

01:21:43.000 Oh, someone on Twitter said this.

01:21:45.000 Okay, well, this person was in a picture with Trump Jr.

01:21:49.000 And this person is bad because they don't have anything because Trump's not in the White House.

01:21:53.000 And they can't just go every day, 10, 15, 20 stories that are largely fabricated every day.

01:21:59.000 And that's why if you look at subscription revenue, they're declining.

01:22:03.000 So the irony of all this is that If there's all these media layoffs, if he should win in November, he's going to save the media.

01:22:14.000 They're going to have a great resurgence by those shares.

01:22:17.000 Talk about that a little bit.

01:22:19.000 You talk a lot about the reply guys.

01:22:23.000 What drives...

01:22:25.000 That behavior that you see on social media from the reply guys, has that changed much since Elon's purchase of X? Because, man, it feels like they're trying to create narrative.

01:22:37.000 I see it in my feed.

01:22:38.000 I don't even read my replies because usually there's just... 0.98

01:22:42.000 Not a lot of people offering all that much there because the first 30 responses are those guys that literally feel like they're refreshing their feed to see when you tweet next because they definitely have something not all that intelligent and not all that witty to say every fucking time.

01:22:59.000 For the past four months, I've limited replies to verified followers and people who subscribe to X Premium.

01:23:08.000 So they at least have to pay Elon's company money to reply to me now because the mindset of the reply guy, other than the real bad faith actors that you deal with at scale, is that they want to catch you slipping.

01:23:24.000 They don't want to read what you have to say.

01:23:26.000 They don't want to read the vibe.

01:23:27.000 They don't want to think what the sentiment is.

01:23:29.000 They want to think, oh, you just said that you had meat today, but last week you said you gave up meat.

01:23:35.000 And then if you go back and read what you said last week, it would say, I gave up meat on Mondays. 1.00

01:23:40.000 But then they're like, I caught you, you hypocrite. 1.00

01:23:43.000 I got you. So there's very much that whole catchy slip-in. 0.99

01:23:53.000 You know, mindset going on with it.

01:23:55.000 And then with you, you have just all the loons who are politically Deformed people in your replies. 0.58

01:24:03.000 Your reply is awful. It's actually sometimes amusing when I do take the time.

01:24:09.000 It's like, wow. How they get from this to that is truly special.

01:24:18.000 It's somewhere between retarded and genius because I can't tell which one it is because I don't even know how they do it. 1.00

01:24:26.000 It's impressive, but man, there's a lot of them. 0.98

01:24:29.000 Yeah, your replies are pretty bad, man.

01:24:32.000 Mine were, but it was more of annoying reply guys, which I guess in some sense are kind of harmless, whereas I click on yours and it's prison, hooting.

01:24:43.000 It's real. Like verified accounts that work at mainstream media publications.

01:24:48.000 It's special. 0.95

01:24:50.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of mentally ill people in left-wing politics, and that's what you're dealing with, which... 0.95

01:24:58.000 I wouldn't even consider that a reply guy. 0.99

01:25:00.000 That's more of a mental health issue.

01:25:01.000 Reply guys are annoying and have their foibles, but the mental illness crisis happening probably from maybe psychosis induced by high dose THC is a real problem.

01:25:13.000 So, speaking of some of the mental illness, you're a lawyer.

01:25:18.000 I'm curious to hear your thoughts on a lot of the lawfare that's going on around right now.

01:25:25.000 Whether it's against Trump, whether it's against someone who's clearly taking a selfie inside the velvet ropes of January 6th who still happens to be in prison.

01:25:36.000 What was Mike Cernovich, the law student, like?

01:25:40.000 Has doing that and being in California changed or shaped your worldview anyway?

01:25:46.000 Well, law has always been a left-wing profession and left-wing dominant, but what used to be a countervailing force against that is it was very civil libertarian, right?

01:25:58.000 It used to be a point of pride or a point of honor to represent the people who deserve no representation, to be the devil's advocate.

01:26:06.000 Eric Holder, for example, provided pro bono legal representation to the 9-11 hijackers.

01:26:11.000 So post 9-11, every big law firm in the world rushed to represent these people for free because the culture was that everybody deserves a lawyer.

01:26:23.000 These guys aren't going to be able to get lawyers.

01:26:25.000 So everybody lined up to do it.

01:26:27.000 And then in the case of January 6th, it's really the opposite.

01:26:31.000 Or in the case of in 2020, with some of the more viable litigation that could have happened, From the Trump campaign, lawyers were essentially stalked and threatened to not representing the Trump campaign.

01:26:46.000 Oh, there were some disbarred last week.

01:26:48.000 I mean, that continues. I mean, it's pretty amazing.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, you couldn't, no one would even attempt to represent you or they'd say, hey, listen,

01:26:56.000 I'd actually love to do it because I'm intellectually curious about it. I think

01:26:59.000 there's actually something there, but like, I'll literally lose my senior partnership.

01:27:03.000 I'd never get another job in DC. I'd never be able to do anything in politics again.

01:27:08.000 So yeah, that point of honor is no longer there, even a little bit.

01:27:11.000 Right. So you're looking at John Eastman getting disbarred.

01:27:14.000 Jeffrey Clark, they're trying to disbar him.

01:27:16.000 There's litigation happening at every level against everyone from J6ers to lawyers who represented Trump to send a message. 0.99

01:27:27.000 Because if you look at what John Eastman did or what Jeffrey Clark did, they wrote a memo.

01:27:34.000 Right? They wrote memos.

01:27:36.000 It's literally legal opinion.

01:27:39.000 Yeah. They didn't go to court and sign documents or sign things that ended up not being true because that could get you into trouble.

01:27:47.000 They didn't do anything like that. They said, no, here's actually the constitutional law on it.

01:27:51.000 There's a little quirk. It might work.

01:27:53.000 It might not. I think in Eastman's case, he even said, I don't think it's a good idea.

01:27:59.000 To have Pence not—I think he even said, I don't think it's a good idea for Pence to send it back to the states.

01:28:04.000 But there is this quirk of law.

01:28:06.000 And we know, as a matter of fact, that the quirk of law was real because the loophole was closed after January 6th.

01:28:12.000 So they say, oh, this was without legal basis.

01:28:15.000 Well, then why was the loophole—why was it closed?

01:28:18.000 And there was even a Van Jones segment— We're good to go.

01:28:46.000 People cooperate with legal processes because they know that they're going to have legal processes.

01:28:52.000 You know that if they say something, even if it's a lie, you know that you can hire a lawyer.

01:28:57.000 The judge is going to kind of call a fair game, maybe put his thumb on the scale.

01:29:02.000 But you know that you have a process.

01:29:05.000 And the message being communicated to people is that you're not going to get any kind of legal process at all.

01:29:13.000 Yeah, well, and you saw that, you know, and again, I was actually quiet on a lot of these things at the time, because like, you know, I was, you know, not a believer that the ghost of Hugo Chavez came back to manipulate the Dominion machines.

01:29:24.000 I'm not saying they couldn't be manipulated or other, but like, I sort of feel like the other side also did a great job sort of Grouping some of the things that were, let's call it, not exactly plausible with things that were statistically obvious, just mathematically irrefutable.

01:29:39.000 And once you group them all together, you discredit one, and therefore everything else went by the wayside.

01:29:44.000 They did that very well.

01:29:46.000 they did that with a lot of very intelligent lawyers who were willing to and had no consequence

01:29:51.000 for taking the most radical leftist position on those things.

01:29:55.000 Whereas if you even chose to represent someone on the right, so that disbalance also creates a problem, right? 0.96

01:30:00.000 Because the finest lawyers in the world can do this and you may be left with someone who's a total lunatic

01:30:05.000 because he's the only guy with a legal license actually saying, okay, I'll take the risk.

01:30:09.000 I'll take the chance knowing what's coming down the pipeline.

01:30:12.000 Right, keeping Trump off the ballot was reverse 9-0.

01:30:15.000 Does anybody think the state bar is going to go after the lawyers who filed those cases, right?

01:30:20.000 What a laugh, right?

01:30:22.000 What a laugh. Well, why wouldn't you say that was an illegitimate threat of democracy because you're trying to keep voters from having their preferred choice on the ballot and the Supreme Court said it was 9-0?

01:30:32.000 So clearly it was without any basis.

01:30:34.000 You lost Kagan. You lost everybody.

01:30:36.000 Clearly there's no legal basis for it.

01:30:38.000 Therefore, you have to go to the state...

01:30:42.000 Yeah. Yeah. So I often ask about sort of political predictions on the show, but perhaps I'll give you a sort of a bigger picture question.

01:31:05.000 What will be the biggest difference in American life five years from now?

01:31:13.000 Well, if Trump wins, they're creating a lot of messes for him to clean up, and it'll be a replay, I think, in 2017 to 2021, which is way better than the alternative, obviously.

01:31:27.000 Not for me.

01:31:29.000 Another 50 hours of congressional testimony will not be awesome, but I'm a treasonous kind of guy, so I guess I gotta fight.

01:31:37.000 Yeah, it'll be messy.

01:31:40.000 But should Biden find a way?

01:31:42.000 Because as of now, unless Democrats really come up with something, power outages on Election Day, I would tell people to pay attention to the solar flare narrative and ask why it's being pushed.

01:31:54.000 Power outages are being pushed.

01:31:55.000 Maybe ask about that. There's no way Biden wins in 2024.

01:32:01.000 And that's not a partisan point, because I told everybody...

01:32:06.000 In 2020, it was too close to call.

01:32:08.000 I really, the whole time, I think Trump has it.

01:32:10.000 I don't know. Not really.

01:32:12.000 You know, on the ground, the enthusiasm was greater in 2020 than 2016, but you didn't have sort of the magic of mail-in balloting and, you know, all of these things.

01:32:21.000 So, you know, that was different.

01:32:23.000 Yeah, yeah, because without mail and validating, Trump wins the landslide in 2020.

01:32:27.000 So in 2024, most of these issues have been kind of figured out, and they don't have any new trick necessarily.

01:32:34.000 What about World War III? I mean, when you talk about that, like, I agree with you.

01:32:38.000 It's like, you don't have COVID. How much can they create in seven months?

01:32:40.000 And the answer is a lot when you're dealing with, you know, Russia and 6,486, what is it, you know, nuclear weapons, you know, nuclear in missiles.

01:32:52.000 Yeah. You see, you know, Blinken's calling for bringing Ukraine into NATO now.

01:32:58.000 And so all of a sudden that happens and unilaterally every Eastern European, Western European country has to start be at war with Russia.

01:33:05.000 I mean... I don't think these are serious people, but I think they're willing to risk nuclear war to get their way because I don't think they care about much.

01:33:15.000 What about that? Because I feel like that's their last hope, unless they can do something to Joe Biden and replace him with someone who's not Kamala Harris.

01:33:26.000 Well, I don't think they can do that before the election because that'll get blamed on Biden.

01:33:31.000 Usually war is good for the incumbent, and usually you're a wartime president.

01:33:36.000 Everybody unites. Everybody rallies around you.

01:33:39.000 That wouldn't happen.

01:33:40.000 It would be seen as incompetence to blunder the U.S. into a war if Biden did this.

01:33:45.000 I don't think that happens.

01:33:46.000 They can't do the race riots now because Hamas will be right there with Black Lives Matter. 0.99

01:33:52.000 So those are done.

01:33:53.000 I think that there's a lot of gangs that were brought in from Venezuela, especially.

01:33:58.000 So I think gangs will be unleashed on people in a targeted way, especially in a way to suppress voting.

01:34:05.000 So I expect a lot of agitation and activation of the criminal gangs that the Biden administration brought in.

01:34:11.000 Speaking of which... The Republicans have an impeachment sent to the Senate.

01:34:16.000 The Senate's not doing anything about it.

01:34:18.000 Isn't that interesting, right? Of course they're not, yeah.

01:34:20.000 I thought about that the other day.

01:34:21.000 I go, wait a minute. Wasn't there an impeachment or maybe that didn't happen?

01:34:24.000 Let me check my notes here.

01:34:26.000 And you think about when Trump got impeached, Republicans, they'll carry that right over.

01:34:32.000 Which is another trend that I don't see improving unless there's better leadership with McConnell being gone.

01:34:39.000 Are they really going to put corn in it?

01:34:41.000 What are we going to do? I think it could be worse.

01:34:45.000 Yeah, yeah. What really, people need to start thinking about that too in terms of the five-year plan, what things are going to look like, is why is Menendez still in the Senate?

01:34:54.000 Because the Democrats aren't going to expel him.

01:34:57.000 That vote matters, and they know how to play that game, whereas we'll throw, you know, what's-his-face out of New York for Congress before they even have a trial, before he's found guilty.

01:35:05.000 I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm just saying we don't know that he was guilty.

01:35:08.000 He wasn't convicted of anything.

01:35:10.000 That doesn't seem to matter because we're playing two very different games versus the left.

01:35:15.000 You know, we're playing t-ball, they're playing hardball, and it's an ugly outcome.

01:35:19.000 Right, so you have to...

01:35:22.000 You have to think about what's the leadership fight.

01:35:24.000 You have to think about all those pieces because if the Democrats aren't doing anything on the impeachment and the Republicans aren't pushing them, what can J.D. Vance do?

01:35:37.000 What can you do, really?

01:35:39.000 Yeah, we only have one J.D. Vance, unfortunately.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, so what are we going to do?

01:35:43.000 Well, if we have somebody like Thule or Cornyn or these guys, or Lankford or somebody, and leadership, say somehow, you know, because I don't know that the GOP is going to take the Senate back.

01:35:56.000 There's some seats that, I know you're working on one in Montana, that maybe it can happen.

01:36:00.000 I know that you're working, there's Ohio possibly, maybe one, right, with Bernie.

01:36:08.000 Moreno, so... You know, maybe we can flip it, but if we flip it, and then we have Cornet in there, what have we really accomplished?

01:36:17.000 Right? What have we accomplished?

01:36:20.000 Well, yeah. Yeah, it's daunting.

01:36:22.000 And then you look at the Senate, Matt, for the next decade, and you're like, this is basically our last chance to get even a basic hold.

01:36:27.000 And if we have a hold with weak leadership, what does it actually mean?

01:36:30.000 But, you know, that said, like social media, we may not have an advantage there, but we also can't cede We've got to be out there fighting across the board.

01:36:39.000 We'll continue to do that.

01:36:40.000 Mike, I just wanted to thank you for being on here today.

01:36:43.000 I have to have you back on some of these things.

01:36:46.000 Let me know once the documentary and stuff fully comes out because I think it'll be important for people to understand.

01:36:51.000 I do think we are at a place in our country right now where people do realize they've been lied to a lot.

01:36:57.000 The pendulum has swung so far the other direction that...

01:37:01.000 You're not going to believe your lying eyes, right?

01:37:04.000 You understand what's happening and there's no amount of lying or manipulation.

01:37:07.000 It may sway basis points, but it's not moving things points anymore.

01:37:11.000 And I think that's a solid window for us to go after and make some gains.

01:37:16.000 Thanks to my kids just woke up, so perfect timing.

01:37:19.000 Perfect timing, man. You have a good one.

01:37:20.000 I'll talk to you soon. Yeah, bye-bye.

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Biden Moves Us Closer to WWIII, The Left’s Abortion Lies, Plus Mike Cernovich on “Meaning” | TRIGGERED Ep.126

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