Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Brett Favre On His Life After Football and Why He's Talking Politics | TRIGGERED Ep. 39

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00:03:13.000 So, now, joining us, NFL Hall of Famer, legendary quarterback, Brett Favre.

00:03:22.000 Well, guys, this is an awesome one.

00:03:24.000 Super excited to have Brett Favre on here.

00:03:28.000 Legendary Hall of Fame NFL quarterback.

00:03:31.000 20 years in the league.

00:03:33.000 And Brett, when we got on, we were just chatting a little while ago.

00:03:36.000 You talked about literally you're now recovering from back surgery.

00:03:41.000 That's got to be pretty rough, but I guess 20 years in the NFL, now you're paying the piper a little bit, huh?

00:03:46.000 Yeah, I thought I was John Wayne while I was playing.

00:03:50.000 Maybe I was to a certain extent, but now I'm reaping the benefits or lack thereof of 20 years, actually 19 straight without missing a game.

00:04:04.000 I sort of say that braggingly, but my background disagrees.

00:04:10.000 I think you have the most consecutive starts in NFL history, right?

00:04:14.000 Like 321 straight starts?

00:04:18.000 Yeah, and trust me, if I had to give advice to the younger guys, that's not a record that you probably want to accomplish.

00:04:27.000 I'm proud of it.

00:04:29.000 But, you know, when you're in the moment, you don't think about what it's going to be like at 50 or 55 or 60.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, I mean, when you think about that, I mean, yeah, that's, you know, in a 16-game season, that's a lot of years in a row to start in a position where some really large men are trying to hurt you each and every play.

00:04:49.000 I mean, that's got to be brutal.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, you know, when I broke the record, I think it was 118 starts.

00:04:59.000 I forget who we were playing, but we were playing in Green Bay.

00:05:02.000 And it was... Less than 10 years in as a starting quarterback.

00:05:09.000 And the record was held by a guy named Ron Jaworski.

00:05:14.000 And he was at the game.

00:05:15.000 He presented me with the ball.

00:05:16.000 They stopped the game. And I remember thinking to myself, it's only been 118 games?

00:05:22.000 I mean, that's the record?

00:05:24.000 You know, I never really thought about records.

00:05:28.000 It's certainly not a starting record.

00:05:30.000 I just, I enjoy playing.

00:05:34.000 The more I played, yeah, I would get hurt, broke a thumb on my throwing hand.

00:05:38.000 You would think that would sideline me.

00:05:39.000 I took a chance and played the next week, played great.

00:05:44.000 So it's sort of like brought it on myself.

00:05:50.000 You know, it's like, okay, if I can do it with a broken thumb, I can do it with a sprained ankle.

00:05:55.000 I can do it with a torn knee ligament.

00:05:57.000 I can do it with a separated shoulder.

00:06:01.000 And again, you don't think about it in the moment.

00:06:05.000 But I really felt like then and as I look back at my career that I was really, you know, and maybe I got a jaded view of myself, but I think I was a great teammate.

00:06:24.000 I wasn't perfect, but I was reliable.

00:06:27.000 And I think that's important, especially in football.

00:06:31.000 You can count on me being there each and every week.

00:06:34.000 Well, you know, it's interesting.

00:06:35.000 I see that so much, you know, in my life today, you know, having people that you can actually count on.

00:06:41.000 When we delve into the world of politics, you know, the loyalty, especially as someone who was a lifetime New Yorker, right?

00:06:50.000 It was all of a sudden, now you're in politics, even though they knew my politics prior, you know, People, they flip, they change.

00:06:56.000 All of a sudden, you know, decades of friendship no longer matter.

00:06:59.000 So I think actually being that steadfast and loyal teammate probably actually means a lot more to most.

00:07:07.000 And when you talk about, like, you know, being in the game like that, I mean, if the prior record was 118 games and you did 321 straight starts, I mean, you didn't just, like, beat the record by a little bit.

00:07:18.000 I mean, you almost tripled it.

00:07:20.000 I mean, that's pretty serious.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, I don't know if that is just...

00:07:26.000 Hard-headedness, dumb luck, or just I don't think skill really is involved in breaking.

00:07:35.000 My head coach when I went to Green Bay was a guy named Mike Holmgren, great coach.

00:07:41.000 He had two names for me.

00:07:44.000 He never called me by Brett.

00:07:46.000 It was either Billy Bob or John Wayne.

00:07:50.000 You can imagine Billy Bob usually was when I didn't do anything Yeah.

00:07:55.000 Particularly worth bragging on.

00:07:58.000 John Wayne was when I dove for a first down.

00:08:01.000 Three guys, you know, hit me at the same time as I crossed the goal line or whatever.

00:08:08.000 But fortunately, as my career was further and further into the years, it was more John Wayne and less Billy Bob.

00:08:18.000 Was that because of experience?

00:08:21.000 Did it allow you to do that differently where you sort of just understand intrinsically what's going on?

00:08:29.000 How did that change? You know what, Don?

00:08:33.000 I started four years in college and was a quarterback for four years.

00:08:40.000 And we had really good success, but this was in an era where you didn't pass very much.

00:08:46.000 Now, going even further back in high school, I played for my dad.

00:08:50.000 And the younger generation doesn't even know what the wishbone is, but the wishbone was a running offense.

00:08:57.000 The quarterback ran, the quarterback blocked, he pitched, he ran options.

00:09:02.000 What he didn't do was throw, maybe two, three times a game if we were lucky.

00:09:07.000 So my point is, even though I started four years in college and two years in high school, I was behind in the passing The terminology, the ins and outs of reading defenses, reading fronts.

00:09:25.000 I just really kind of relied on not knowing it at the time.

00:09:29.000 I really relied on just natural ability.

00:09:31.000 I could dodge and move and make the first and second guy miss and make a throw from anywhere.

00:09:37.000 And that was sort of my game.

00:09:39.000 So as I moved on to the pro ranks, Mike Holmgren, his first year as a head coach of Green Bay, was my first year in Green Bay.

00:09:51.000 So we were there together. He had just previously been the offensive coordinator for San Francisco for many years.

00:09:59.000 Coach Joe Montana first, then Coach Steve Young.

00:10:02.000 Two of the most perfect quarterbacks you'll ever find.

00:10:06.000 Did he inherit me?

00:10:10.000 A little raw, to say the least.

00:10:13.000 But... You know, he was patient with me, thankfully, because there was many times that he could yank me out and said, I just had enough.

00:10:22.000 But I was learning. I mean, I was actually learning as I was playing.

00:10:26.000 I wasn't watching. And if I had to do it over again, I'd do it the same way.

00:10:31.000 I know it's kind of like going to negotiate a deal in China and you just learn Chinese the day before, you know?

00:10:39.000 Yeah, it's a little hard.

00:10:40.000 You're at a little bit of a disadvantage in that one.

00:10:42.000 Yeah. Yeah, it can work, but it's hard.

00:10:46.000 So, yeah, in that 20 years, I mean, you talk about, again, going from the running game to the passing game.

00:10:50.000 In the 20 years, how did you see sort of the evolution of the NFL? And what's really changed since you retired?

00:10:59.000 Because it does seem to be evolving beyond the game itself, not just sort of the way the refs are handling things.

00:11:06.000 And I'll ask you about that as well later on.

00:11:07.000 But, you know, what's that evolution been like?

00:11:11.000 Well, in my 20 years, and I've thought about this many a times, how did it change in my 20 years?

00:11:21.000 And I don't think it changed in that 20 years near as much as it's changed since I retired, which has been 13 years ago.

00:11:33.000 So in 13 years, the game has changed tremendously.

00:11:37.000 You can't... The physicality of the game is really...

00:11:41.000 The only time that guys can be physical is on game day.

00:11:47.000 Whereas when I play, you practice...

00:11:50.000 Not necessarily the quarterbacks, but linemen, linebackers, running backs, receivers.

00:11:56.000 They did a lot of hitting.

00:11:58.000 Yeah. It wasn't uncommon to have fights and, you know, injuries in practice.

00:12:07.000 Who am I to say it's right or wrong?

00:12:09.000 But now you see a more prolific league in regards to scoring points.

00:12:17.000 And I'm sure the league doesn't want games to end 3-0 or 7-6.

00:12:24.000 Yeah. They want to see the wow factor.

00:12:26.000 They want to see 52-50.

00:12:29.000 So, they've limited...

00:12:31.000 When I played, there was no limit to how many times you could practice in pads.

00:12:37.000 Now, I think the maximum number of days that they can practice in pads from day one to the end of the season is 15.

00:12:46.000 So, you see a decline in tackling and defenses.

00:12:52.000 Yeah. And more scoring because defenses are behind. 0.53

00:12:59.000 It does feel like that.

00:13:01.000 I mean, you see a lot of people watching football games.

00:13:03.000 They see sort of these weird flags on the play.

00:13:06.000 And I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but it almost feels like the refs are in there to keep that game close. 0.99

00:13:14.000 I don't remember there ever being as many sort of controversial plays in big games that even a journeyman sort of A fan like myself can watch and be like, wait a minute, that's bullshit. 0.97

00:13:28.000 There's something wrong there.

00:13:29.000 I mean, you know, are the referees calling fouls to change the direction of the game to keep some of that excitement that you're talking about to jack those scores up or keep it close?

00:13:39.000 I can't answer that with 100% certainty.

00:13:43.000 I think what I do think is with instant replay, you would think you would get it right.

00:13:51.000 Yeah, but they don't.

00:13:52.000 With instant replay, they're doing worse, it actually seems, right?

00:13:56.000 I mean, it seems to be an obvious catch for, you know, any particular play that's reviewed.

00:14:03.000 You watch them, you go, well, that's a catch.

00:14:06.000 I mean, my goodness. And they reverse it.

00:14:08.000 It's not a catch. And I think what's happened is the rules have been so skewed.

00:14:14.000 What is pass interference?

00:14:16.000 What is holding? You know, a catch was...

00:14:20.000 I mean, you didn't have to...

00:14:22.000 There wasn't a description of a catch in the dictionary.

00:14:26.000 But now it's like it's a full-fledged description that no one can figure out.

00:14:32.000 Yeah. I've seen a lot of that as well, even in the tackling.

00:14:36.000 You know, that's an illegal...

00:14:37.000 And I'm like, wait a minute.

00:14:39.000 How else are you supposed to actually play the game with some of those things?

00:14:45.000 I understand. We'll talk about concussions because I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

00:14:47.000 I get some of it, but it is still a full contact game.

00:14:51.000 And sometimes the flags that I see and the calls that I see being made on that are also like, wait a minute, we're not playing flag football.

00:14:58.000 I mean, it is still the NFL and it's tackle football.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, you know, I think that's one of the things that have changed really most dramatically is hitting the quarterbacks, trying to eliminate...

00:15:18.000 Hits where either receiver is not paying attention, you know, he comes across the middle, and the ball's over his head, and he's kind of, you know, and I get that.

00:15:30.000 I think that's okay.

00:15:31.000 But like you said, they're kind of crossing into the gray area, like roughing the passer.

00:15:41.000 I don't know what the definition really is, you know.

00:15:45.000 Yeah. Blowing on the quarterback or, you know, whispering in his ear because I see flags that are what to me is a phantom hit.

00:15:57.000 And again, I think the rule changes are meant well, but executing the calls has been a little bit suspect.

00:16:10.000 Yeah. Well, so you have two daughters, but if you had a son, would you allow them to play the game today?

00:16:17.000 Do you think it's too dangerous?

00:16:19.000 How can that game get safer, especially for the young kids?

00:16:22.000 Because I'd certainly be reluctant if my kids wanted to play tackle, just given what I see.

00:16:28.000 I have three grandsons, Don, and the oldest is 13, the second is eight, and the third is six.

00:16:36.000 And they don't play football.

00:16:38.000 They haven't asked me to play.

00:16:40.000 I haven't encouraged them to play.

00:16:42.000 The middle grandson plays baseball.

00:16:46.000 The middle grandson and the oldest play soccer.

00:16:51.000 The youngest hasn't started playing anything yet.

00:16:54.000 And as long as they don't ask, I'm not going to encourage.

00:16:58.000 I would be so fearful.

00:17:00.000 And same thing if I had a son.

00:17:02.000 I would be so fearful of What lies ahead?

00:17:08.000 You know, we all can't be as lucky to have played football.

00:17:12.000 I should call myself lucky.

00:17:14.000 I've had a hip replaced in major back surgery in less than three months.

00:17:19.000 But concussions are very, very serious.

00:17:23.000 And we're just kind of scraping the surface of how bad they are.

00:17:28.000 And we just know that they're bad.

00:17:30.000 Yeah, I have a personal story to that.

00:17:32.000 You know, my best friend committed suicide almost five years ago now, and he played, you know, college ball.

00:17:39.000 He played in the NFL for a few years.

00:17:42.000 You know, really impressive athlete, but, you know, not maybe as big or as fast as some of the guys there.

00:17:47.000 And his thing to me, and it was, you know, he started multiple companies, smart guy, very cerebral, sort of thinking about it.

00:17:53.000 But he basically always told me, it's like, when I was practicing in college, in high school, if he hit someone and he didn't see stars, He wasn't hitting hard enough in his mind, right?

00:18:04.000 What he lacked for perhaps in, again, an elite athlete by any standard, but in his mind, he goes, well, what I lacked in this, I had to compensate.

00:18:13.000 The way I compensated was I used the weapon that I had stuck on my head You know, to play.

00:18:19.000 And, you know, he's since committed suicide.

00:18:22.000 You know, everyone believes it was CTE. It was something he was very open about, talked about, was on a lot of those medications.

00:18:29.000 I mean, his last text to me was eight minutes before he did it. 0.94

00:18:34.000 And it was just, you know, guy talk, breaking balls.

00:18:36.000 And then something else took over.

00:18:39.000 You know, someone else was in the driver's seat for a few seconds, and that's all it took.

00:18:44.000 So, you know, talk about that.

00:18:46.000 I mean, as a quarterback, In 20 years, how many concussions do you think you had?

00:18:51.000 And I think it affects people differently, obviously.

00:18:53.000 Some people can have a storied career with lots of rough hits and be fine.

00:18:58.000 Others, not so much.

00:19:01.000 Yeah, that's the thing about concussions I think that's really scary is there's no rhyme or reason.

00:19:06.000 You can have one concussion and that can be your demise.

00:19:10.000 And I can have multiple concussions and live a seemingly...

00:19:15.000 Okay life, you know.

00:19:19.000 How many concussions I had?

00:19:21.000 Had you asked me before I had this conversation with Dr.

00:19:25.000 I don't know if you saw the movie Concussion.

00:19:27.000 I did, yeah. Will Smith portrayed Dr.

00:19:32.000 Benjamin Amalu, who was the coroner.

00:19:36.000 We did the autopsy on several former Pittsburgh Steelers players and determined that they had what was, I think, an unknown at the time, CTE. And I asked Dr.

00:19:48.000 Amalu, I said, when is a good time for a teenager or an adult to play tackle football?

00:19:56.000 And he said, never. And I said, well, I mean, that's not really fair.

00:20:01.000 He goes, well, concussions are not fair.

00:20:03.000 And he said, let me just give you a couple of examples.

00:20:06.000 And I sort of laughed at him because of the, well, he said, the first example, a woodpecker.

00:20:16.000 You know, I'm thinking, where's he going with this?

00:20:18.000 And he said, a woodpecker, what's it do all day?

00:20:20.000 It bangs on a light pole.

00:20:22.000 It bangs on a tree just constantly.

00:20:25.000 But it doesn't get a concussion.

00:20:26.000 Why? Because its brain is encased in almost like styrofoam, for example.

00:20:32.000 And when the head or the beak hits the tree or pole, the brain stops with the hit.

00:20:42.000 As opposed to a human, when you hit something, your head stops, your brain keeps moving.

00:20:50.000 Yeah. You have to wear the concussion, the bruising of the brain.

00:20:53.000 The bruising of the brain is what the swelling is.

00:20:57.000 That's the problem. And you can wear all the helmet gear you possibly can wear.

00:21:05.000 But you cannot stop the brain from sloshing around, was his term.

00:21:10.000 Rams, you know, They butt heads. 0.66

00:21:15.000 Yeah, I mean, but they're built for it. 0.99

00:21:20.000 And so we're not built for it.

00:21:23.000 What needs to be done?

00:21:25.000 Because the game is not going to go away.

00:21:26.000 And I think the rule changes and the things that they're trying to do from a league perspective, saving guys by not practicing as much physically, Eliminating, you know, the bad hits. But there needs to be some type of drug or something that you can take that can alleviate the swelling because concussions are going to happen.

00:21:55.000 Yeah. And it's just, it is what it is.

00:22:00.000 As much as they've tried to curtail The number has gone up or stayed the same, not gone down.

00:22:08.000 So it's pretty scary.

00:22:10.000 So even with all the rules changed, even with the sort of advancement in sort of helmet technology and neck bracing and all that stuff, it's still gone up, actually.

00:22:19.000 Still going up or not going down below when all this started.

00:22:24.000 It's not going below what they assumed.

00:22:27.000 Part of the problem is you don't have to hit most concussions.

00:22:32.000 This may surprise people.

00:22:34.000 Most concussions occur or the highest percentage of concussions occur when your head hits the turf, the whiplash effect.

00:22:42.000 Not head-to-head combat.

00:22:44.000 Interesting. You know, yeah, concussions do hits, but concussion may happen.

00:22:51.000 But like Dr.

00:22:52.000 Amalu said, he goes, you know, like for a heavyweight boxer or a professional boxer, it's not the heavy blows that do the damage.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, they do damage.

00:23:03.000 You see him get up and he can't even...

00:23:05.000 Falls down, it's got noodle legs.

00:23:08.000 It's the jabs, the hundreds and thousands of jabs versus the five knockout blows that do the damage.

00:23:17.000 That's interesting. Yeah, I was talking, a friend of mine's a pretty, you know, high-level neurologist.

00:23:23.000 He acts as, you know, a judge for a lot of, you know, sanctioned boxing matches as well as, like, UFC-type stuff.

00:23:28.000 And he actually, it was sort of interesting because you think of, like, you know, UFC, the MMA stuff, as being so violent.

00:23:34.000 But he goes, the boxers actually have much worse in terms of the concussion protocols because it's constant, constant, constant.

00:23:41.000 Constant, constant.

00:23:43.000 You could have an 8, 10, 12 round match and the amounts of hits in the UFC is like, there may be one and it just sort of puts you out and then it's over, or a few, but it is that constant repetition that you think, again, bigger gloves, not getting kicked in the head, and yet it's the boxers because of that constant repetition that actually fare far worse in the long run than perhaps the MMA guys right now.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, I think the term is second impact syndrome.

00:24:13.000 So a concussion, I don't know if there's an exact definition of a concussion, but it's swelling of the brain is what I like to describe it as.

00:24:26.000 So it can be minor, it can be major.

00:24:28.000 So you have a minor concussion, don't even really know.

00:24:32.000 Maybe a star just You know, a sparkler, a corny eye.

00:24:39.000 But you're able to function. You're able to talk.

00:24:41.000 You don't have a headache.

00:24:42.000 You're not groggy. But you go right back in the very next play, and you get another one.

00:24:47.000 Yeah. That is devastating, as I've learned.

00:24:52.000 And I think the term is second impact syndrome.

00:24:55.000 So what you're saying with the boxer, the repeated blows, I mean, they do their damage.

00:25:00.000 You're watching – You go, surely that doesn't hurt.

00:25:04.000 Maybe it doesn't hurt, but it's doing damage because there's swelling in the brain.

00:25:10.000 It's not going down with each jack.

00:25:12.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:25:14.000 Now you're sitting there at home on a beautiful fall Sunday.

00:25:21.000 Do you miss being out in that arena?

00:25:25.000 Absolutely, 100% no.

00:25:28.000 No. Wow. I thought that was going to be absolutely 100% yes.

00:25:33.000 You've been there, done that, you had enough.

00:25:36.000 Been there, done that, enjoyed it.

00:25:39.000 Knowing all the things I know now, would I do it the same way?

00:25:44.000 Probably. Which sounds ridiculous. 0.91

00:25:48.000 But I probably would.

00:25:51.000 But I accomplished way more than I dreamed of accomplishing.

00:25:57.000 I dreamed of playing professional football.

00:25:59.000 That or baseball was all I had.

00:26:04.000 And I was able to do it.

00:26:06.000 And do it at a I didn't imagine.

00:26:11.000 So when it was over, I was like, I don't miss it.

00:26:16.000 And physically, I was beat up pretty good.

00:26:19.000 So what made you get into it in the first place?

00:26:22.000 What was like, I'm going football.

00:26:25.000 I'm going that route. Well, my dad, growing up, I got an old brother.

00:26:29.000 I got a younger brother and a younger sister.

00:26:31.000 My mom and dad were high school teachers.

00:26:35.000 We all went to the same school.

00:26:37.000 First through 12th was all right there together.

00:26:39.000 So we all rode together.

00:26:40.000 We rode home together. My dad was the high school football coach.

00:26:44.000 I think when it was all said and done, he coached 35-plus years as the head coach at that particular school.

00:26:51.000 My mom was a special education teacher.

00:26:53.000 She did that for... 1.00

00:26:56.000 God bless her for 25, 30 years. 0.72

00:27:00.000 So, you know, you kind of do what your parents do.

00:27:08.000 Guilty as charged.

00:27:10.000 My dad was a mechanic or a rancher.

00:27:12.000 I probably would have gravitated more to that.

00:27:16.000 But after school, we went over when we were young kids and we We ran balls in.

00:27:22.000 We shagged fly balls in the summer for baseball.

00:27:25.000 And so that's really all I knew and where my comfort zone was.

00:27:34.000 I really wasn't exposed to anything else.

00:27:36.000 Yeah. When did you realize, like, hey, man, there's a chance I could play in the NFL? Did you ever envision that?

00:27:44.000 Did it just happen?

00:27:45.000 You know, you hear these stories about guys that they weren't even great, and then they just sort of blossomed at a certain point.

00:27:50.000 What was your journey like there?

00:27:54.000 If I would have known the odds, I may have not made it.

00:28:00.000 Yeah. But I was naive.

00:28:01.000 Naive served me well. 1.00

00:28:04.000 You know, not too many guys make it and don't throw, but five to ten passes in high school.

00:28:12.000 And I got one offer, one scholarship offer, and that was Southern Miss.

00:28:16.000 Obviously, it was an easy decision.

00:28:18.000 You go to the school that wants you.

00:28:21.000 But I knew, at least I thought I knew while I was in high school, There's three high schools in our county.

00:28:28.000 Still is. And not a big county.

00:28:32.000 Not big schools. Still not big schools.

00:28:35.000 So basically what I compared myself to was the locals.

00:28:40.000 And not only in football, but in baseball.

00:28:43.000 I knew I had something that no one within, you know, local paper territory or local news territory had.

00:28:54.000 I could throw Now, I didn't know who I was throwing it to, but I knew I could throw it better than anyone.

00:29:01.000 I was throwing the ball 75 yards.

00:29:03.000 Now, the game was way more than throwing it far.

00:29:07.000 Yeah. But I knew I had talent.

00:29:09.000 And the same was, if you asked me back then, what do you have a better chance of playing, baseball or football at the pro level?

00:29:17.000 I would have said baseball.

00:29:20.000 I played multiple positions, hit both ways.

00:29:24.000 Started as an eighth grader in high school.

00:29:29.000 There's a lot less thinking involved in baseball, if that makes sense.

00:29:34.000 I think you're also not worrying about a 350-pound dude about to run you over every time.

00:29:39.000 Absolutely. Just in terms of the process, that makes it a little bit easier, I think.

00:29:45.000 Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:29:46.000 But, you know, I went to Southern Miss to play both.

00:29:52.000 And really thought that, again, had you asked me as I was going into the school for the first day, what do you think you're going to play first at?

00:30:02.000 Baseball or football? I would have said baseball.

00:30:05.000 To think that I was the last guy that they signed a scholarship to the university that year.

00:30:12.000 I was the last guy on the totem pole.

00:30:15.000 As far as the quarterback room, a couple guys got hurt, a couple guys didn't play as well.

00:30:21.000 I got a shot on the scout team against the first string defense, ran around like a chicken with his head cut off, made a couple plays, threw the ball like 75 yards, and people were like, Whoa.

00:30:33.000 If we can harness this, maybe we got something.

00:30:37.000 That happens.

00:30:40.000 I mean, I remember I was having the conversation with a couple of friends.

00:30:43.000 I was in Massachusetts with some buddies recently, and I remember being with them like...

00:30:48.000 You know, almost 20 years ago now, I guess, when Drew Bledsoe got sacked and took him out of the game. 0.83

00:30:54.000 And, you know, these guys, you know, I call them assholes affectionately, but, you know, they're crying about what's going on.

00:31:00.000 And, like, you know, this unknown QB comes in, and it's Tom Brady, and they can't believe it, and they're pissed off. 0.92

00:31:05.000 And yet, at the time, who would have known that that would have been the start of another dynasty, you know?

00:31:10.000 So, yeah, you never know what's going to happen sometimes.

00:31:12.000 You never know. I mean, I... In regards to that situation or similar situations, I think there's more guys who, for example, Kurt Warner, undrafted, played in the Arena League, now he's a Hall of Famer, had a wonderful career.

00:31:29.000 Tom Brady was, I think, drafted in the last round, seventh round.

00:31:36.000 Who knows if he'd have gotten a chance to play, had Bledsoe not gotten hurt that night.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, you wonder how many guys are like rock stars that will never actually get to see that potential, that are never going to get to actually shine.

00:31:49.000 It's sort of a, you know, I get it, because it's interesting, because, you know, ultimately, you know, the NFL, it may be like the ultimate meritocracy, right?

00:31:59.000 Like, you ain't playing if you're not great, if you're not making those things happen, which is, Which is sort of interesting, given perhaps some of the political leanings that they have these days, because it's sort of the ultimate meritocracy, and yet that's not what they're pushing these days, sort of on the political side of things.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, you know, I remember my first five or six years, I was kind of feeling my way through, kind of, you know, from afar, just kind of gazing, kind of like sitting in an airport, you know, you just kind of study people and form opinions and things like that.

00:32:34.000 And It seemed like, to me, the guys that were drafted highest on the teams that I played on, and quite frankly, the other teams, failed more often than guys who were drafted last or were not drafted who actually succeeded.

00:32:55.000 But the thing is, the guy that was drafted, say, the first round, he's going to get two years for sure just because he was drafted.

00:33:03.000 Not because they're going to try to get their money's worth to prove that they made the right decision in drafting him.

00:33:11.000 Even if the guy behind him In a preseason game or came in and, you know, mop up effort and did well.

00:33:20.000 He's not going to get the chance right away.

00:33:22.000 They're going to milk the first guy until they just, like, they can't do it any longer.

00:33:28.000 I see that. I saw that all the time.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, I mean, yeah, you have the sunk cost.

00:33:32.000 Like, we have to recoup this.

00:33:33.000 We went all in. Absolutely.

00:33:35.000 I guess you see that a lot historically.

00:33:36.000 I don't even know recently, but like, with a lot of the Heisman Trophy winners, right?

00:33:40.000 That, you know, sort of, you know, some are great, but a lot has sort of underperformed what would have been, you know, going as essentially a number one player in the league.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, I played with a couple of Heisman Trophy guys, one in particular, Ty Dedmer, who actually had a really good career.

00:33:59.000 He was drafted by the Packers, great friend of mine, avid hunter, just a good dude.

00:34:06.000 He was one of the guys that, of the Heisman Trophy guys that I had met in person.

00:34:12.000 I've met a great deal. And I looked at him and I'm like, you do not fit the Heisman Trophy mold.

00:34:19.000 He looked like a janitor. He had a pot belly. 0.84

00:34:23.000 He was 185 pounds.

00:34:26.000 He had an average arm at best, probably below average.

00:34:30.000 But he had a high football IQ, and he was a great leader, and he was in the right system.

00:34:36.000 I would have bet the farm that he wouldn't have made it to the NFL as a week-in, week-out starter.

00:34:44.000 But yeah, he was traded to Philadelphia.

00:34:47.000 I think he was a starter for eight to ten years, had a good career.

00:34:52.000 But most of those guys don't make it.

00:34:55.000 They get a shot. But they don't make it.

00:34:59.000 Is it their product of the team that they played on?

00:35:03.000 Number one team in the country?

00:35:05.000 How can you play bad if you're playing for the number one team in the country?

00:35:10.000 I don't know.

00:35:12.000 But those guys often get a better shot to succeed just because of what they accomplished or where they rank.

00:35:21.000 That doesn't always relate to success.

00:35:25.000 When did you know...

00:35:27.000 Hey, it's time to retire.

00:35:30.000 Was there something that clicked in your head?

00:35:33.000 I did it three times, Sonic. 0.92

00:35:36.000 I feel like I could beat the crap out of my 25-year-old self right now.

00:35:40.000 You know what I mean? But at the same time, the thing I miss about youth is not waking up sore every day for no reason.

00:35:48.000 When did you know it was time?

00:35:51.000 Well, I thought I knew I did it three times.

00:35:54.000 It was much more difficult than I thought it would be.

00:35:57.000 The first time I retired, we had just lost the championship game.

00:36:02.000 We had a great year. It was year 16 for me as a Packer, year 17 as an NFL player.

00:36:12.000 We just lost a heartbreaker, the NFC championship game at home in Green Bay, colder than hell against the Giants.

00:36:21.000 We played pretty doggone good.

00:36:23.000 They played just absolutely great down the stretch, including our game, and beat us.

00:36:30.000 And it was a devastating loss.

00:36:31.000 I just remember when I went home back to Mississippi, the last thing I wanted to think about was football.

00:36:39.000 All I could think about when football was brought up, like someone said, oh man, tough loss.

00:36:45.000 Yeah. I didn't want to hear it.

00:36:47.000 And I assumed that come March, April, May, June, kind of like when you're in grade school, you can't wait for summer break.

00:36:58.000 And then, you know, a couple weeks before school starts back, you're kind of like, I'm ready to go back.

00:37:03.000 Strangely. Because you can't wait to get out.

00:37:06.000 I mean, you're chomping at the bits to get out.

00:37:08.000 That's sort of the tug of war with the NFL season as you progress in years.

00:37:17.000 Yeah, you see that a lot.

00:37:18.000 Guys, they're ready to retire after that last game, and then about two months later, they're like, okay, it's time.

00:37:24.000 I mean, I know we share something else in common, which is we like hunting and the outdoor stuff, and it's like that.

00:37:29.000 By the time you're getting sort of sick of one of the seasons, something else is coming in.

00:37:35.000 And then the second you're sick, it's something else.

00:37:37.000 So you love the general game and participating, even if you're getting...

00:37:42.000 Either tired or worn out from one aspect of it, you know, that desire always kind of clicks back in eventually.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right.

00:37:50.000 The first time I retired, the head coach, Mike McCarthy, who's the head coach of the Cowboys now, good guy.

00:37:59.000 We lost a heartbreaker.

00:38:01.000 I go home about three weeks after I got home, so it was early to mid-February.

00:38:08.000 He calls me and says, hey, man, you know, Hope you're getting over the loss.

00:38:13.000 And I wasn't.

00:38:15.000 You know, I wasn't feeling like...

00:38:18.000 No, let me back up.

00:38:20.000 One of the things that would prove to be the toughest decision that particular year on whether to retire or not retire, my best season as a Green Bay Packer, and I played 16 years there, was that season, the last season as a Packer.

00:38:37.000 So... If the team wanted me to go in a different direction, and I'm not saying they did, but just say if they did want me to go in a different direction so they could play their young quarterback Aaron Rodgers, which I totally get.

00:38:52.000 Or if I was thinking, go out when When you're not playing as well.

00:38:58.000 I mean, the writing's on the wall.

00:39:00.000 That wasn't the case for either team, either side, the management or myself.

00:39:05.000 Because I had my best year statistically in 16 years.

00:39:09.000 And I'm thinking, hell, I still can play.

00:39:11.000 Now, I didn't really have the heart for it come March, April, and May.

00:39:17.000 And I was waiting for that spark.

00:39:19.000 But they wanted an answer before that spark came.

00:39:23.000 So I gave them an answer that...

00:39:25.000 Ultimately, I changed and came back, but it was traded to the Jets.

00:39:31.000 Retired after that one year with the Jets.

00:39:33.000 I tore my bicep.

00:39:35.000 I was like, you know, do I really want to keep doing this?

00:39:40.000 And I felt like I didn't want nothing against the Jets, but I wanted to play against the Packers.

00:39:49.000 And I couldn't have played against them with the Jets.

00:39:52.000 So I retired. I had surgery on my bicep.

00:39:56.000 Whether I played or not, I had surgery.

00:40:01.000 The Vikings came calling.

00:40:03.000 I said, I really don't...

00:40:05.000 I was thinking to myself, do I really want to go through another training camp?

00:40:08.000 Learn a whole new atmosphere.

00:40:11.000 You know, Green Bay for 16 years, there was no traffic.

00:40:15.000 I knew where I was staying.

00:40:17.000 I knew where the... Where the places were that were busy if I wanted to go eat.

00:40:21.000 I had my hunting land that I had access to.

00:40:24.000 I had my comfort zone.

00:40:26.000 Do I really want to learn a new comfort zone again?

00:40:30.000 No, I didn't.

00:40:31.000 But I wanted to play at least against the Packers two times.

00:40:35.000 And the only way to do that was to assign with the Vikings.

00:40:38.000 So I came out of retirement, played, had a great year.

00:40:43.000 Came back for the second year.

00:40:44.000 It was a terrible year for the team, for myself.

00:40:47.000 And I knew if there was any...

00:40:50.000 I mean, it was 20 years.

00:40:52.000 But I came back and I was kind of like, I don't know, you know.

00:40:56.000 Had a bad year. And I said, the writing's on the wall for sure.

00:41:00.000 I mean, you know.

00:41:02.000 And I got beat up pretty good that year on top of the previous 19 years.

00:41:06.000 And I was starting to feel it.

00:41:08.000 So, like, recovering...

00:41:11.000 Normally, I'd get banged up on Sunday.

00:41:13.000 Come Wednesday, I felt pretty good.

00:41:16.000 Well, my last couple of years, I'd get banged up on Sunday.

00:41:19.000 And the next Sunday, I was just starting to feel like I was feeling better, just in time to do it again.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, that's a little different.

00:41:28.000 When you get to aggregate all the banged up through a 16-week season, it's a little bit more problematic, I guess.

00:41:35.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:41:37.000 What are your thoughts on, I'm seeing sort of the NFL trying to do this stuff, the expansion into Europe, you're seeing the European games.

00:41:44.000 Do you think that's going to work?

00:41:45.000 I mean, football sort of feels like a uniquely American sport, just like I don't understand cricket or rugby.

00:41:53.000 Do you think it can work?

00:41:57.000 Well, the best example or answer I can give is through my son-in-law, Alex.

00:42:05.000 Alex is from Manchester, England.

00:42:07.000 Team over, I mean, obviously a huge soccer guy.

00:42:10.000 Team over here to play soccer.

00:42:13.000 Got an NAIA scholarship at a small school here in Hattiesburg.

00:42:17.000 Met my oldest daughter.

00:42:19.000 They got married.

00:42:21.000 He sort of adopted NFL football.

00:42:24.000 He plays fantasy football and all that stuff, but he's a Man United guy.

00:42:30.000 And I've asked him, I'm like, you know, they're playing these games at Wembley.

00:42:35.000 You know, what used to be one, now it's like, seems like almost every week, the latter half or the middle third of the season.

00:42:46.000 Is it going to succeed?

00:42:50.000 He says, I think so. He says, look, we don't know people who live over there.

00:42:55.000 He said, I've learned a lot by being in the States.

00:42:57.000 But he said, they don't know a punt from a handoff.

00:43:01.000 But they love the novelty part of it.

00:43:05.000 And they don't care if it's the Cowboys and Raiders playing.

00:43:08.000 It could be Jacksonville and Cleveland.

00:43:10.000 They don't care. So I think as long as they don't overdo it, they kind of leave you kind of salivating for more.

00:43:22.000 However you do that, I don't know.

00:43:24.000 But it seems to be, you know, having a team over there, though, would be a totally different scenario because the travel, the money you're going to spend to travel is unbelievably high.

00:43:39.000 Well, and beyond that, I would think the toll it takes on the players, you know what I mean?

00:43:42.000 I travel probably more than just about any human being in the planet.

00:43:45.000 I do, you know, probably 300,000 miles a year.

00:43:48.000 And, like, you go to Europe, you know, again, if you're looking to perform at an elite level, fine.

00:43:52.000 I can go to a meeting a little bit tired.

00:43:54.000 It's not going to change much. You get on the field with someone looking to take your head off, and you're a little bit slow because of jet lag or something like that.

00:44:01.000 I could see that being problematic.

00:44:03.000 I mean, you could take a California team and you send them eight time zones forward to the UK. Right.

00:44:10.000 I mean, I think in a seven-day-a-week scenario, I could see that being problematic and difficult to recover from.

00:44:18.000 Absolutely. I don't know if it's possible, Don.

00:44:20.000 I really don't. You know, once...

00:44:24.000 I never played over there.

00:44:26.000 We played a preseason game in Tokyo.

00:44:28.000 My gosh, what a long trip.

00:44:31.000 Right after the game, we showered and we flew home.

00:44:36.000 Luckily, I played maybe a series or two and I didn't get banged up.

00:44:43.000 That was 15, 16 hours nonstop.

00:44:48.000 Again, having one or two games or, you know, Chicago play a game, Green Bay play a game, San Francisco play a game, and then switch around the next year.

00:45:01.000 So, but not having a full-fledged schedule that teams have on.

00:45:06.000 Yeah, have every team play one game there somehow like that.

00:45:09.000 That way, you know, sort of everyone's at least at the same sort of, you know, disadvantage.

00:45:13.000 Now, you could argue that later in the season when it matters more, maybe it's a little bit more debilitating.

00:45:18.000 But, I mean, at least there's a little bit of, you know, straight lining.

00:45:21.000 You're spreading it out over everyone.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, you know, I think I wish I would have gotten a chance to play a regular season game over there.

00:45:30.000 Just to experience it.

00:45:33.000 I can't say that I would want to do it every year.

00:45:36.000 If they said, all right, Packers, you're going to go every year at least once.

00:45:41.000 I don't know if I would like that or not, but at least once I would want to give it a try.

00:45:47.000 Yeah, no, I think, yeah, it's got to be a cool novelty, even as a player, to be able to do that with a different fan base.

00:45:52.000 But yeah, so I remember, you know, when Dallas got their hockey team, you know, as someone who grew up sort of playing hockey, and you see, like, people went there.

00:46:00.000 It was the social thing. They went there for the fights.

00:46:02.000 No one really understood the art of the game itself, but it didn't matter.

00:46:05.000 It was still a thing.

00:46:07.000 So I imagine that's probably now.

00:46:08.000 People get it now, and they've been exposed.

00:46:11.000 So, you know, it'll take a little time to adapt, but they probably will get it eventually.

00:46:14.000 Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see, like, what you just said.

00:46:19.000 You know, once they kind of get it, will they continue to get it?

00:46:23.000 Or will they say, well, Matt, I've had enough of that.

00:46:26.000 You know, it's not going to take soccer's play, so I'm going back to Man United.

00:46:33.000 So it'll be interesting.

00:46:35.000 Yeah, no, I think it'll be cool.

00:46:37.000 Listen, I think it could be important for the game and for the future of the league.

00:46:41.000 So speaking of some of that, that future of the league, what are your thoughts on now that college players being able to get paid off their likeness?

00:46:50.000 Some of these young kids coming in there could be making millions.

00:46:54.000 Do you support the idea of that?

00:46:55.000 Do you think it's great?

00:46:57.000 Are there downfalls? What are your thoughts on that right now?

00:47:00.000 I think everyone has an opinion on it, but I do think that there needs to be more regulation.

00:47:08.000 And maybe there is.

00:47:10.000 I just don't know if it's been regulated.

00:47:12.000 Yeah. Does the player get the money before he plays his first down?

00:47:21.000 Does he pay taxes on it?

00:47:25.000 What happens if he transfers?

00:47:27.000 Does he take the money with him?

00:47:29.000 Or does he give a portion back?

00:47:31.000 Yeah. I think teams that, for example, SEC, Southern Miss is in Sunbelt Conference.

00:47:42.000 Decent conference.

00:47:43.000 It's not the SEC. SEC, per team, When my daughter was a senior, she was getting recruited for volleyball. 0.97

00:47:51.000 We went to South Carolina for a recruiting visit, University of South Carolina, and their facilities were outstanding.

00:47:57.000 And the AD there, Ray Tanner, great guy.

00:48:01.000 I said, Ray, man, he said, this is a college athletic dorm.

00:48:08.000 So all golf, tennis, football.

00:48:11.000 And I'm like, that ain't no dorm.

00:48:14.000 That's luxury condos.

00:48:16.000 I mean, they had Chipotle.

00:48:18.000 They had, I mean, all kinds of stuff like in the, I think they called it Grotto or something there.

00:48:25.000 It was unbelievable. And I said, amazing.

00:48:28.000 And he goes, we got a problem that you don't have at Southern Miss, knowing that I went to Southern Miss.

00:48:35.000 And I sort of knew where he was going with it.

00:48:37.000 He goes, our problem is how to spend the money.

00:48:39.000 Your problem is how to get the money.

00:48:43.000 Yeah. I can see it creating a conflict where you actually get, A, while I love the idea of some of these kids being able to, I'm a capitalist, you know, obviously, and I think there's also sort of something messed about the schools controlling all of this money, making all of the money off of them, but I think Now you get this situation where you could really almost make the leagues totally uncompetitive because two or three schools are going to get everyone.

00:49:09.000 I think you probably already have a little bit of that problem just because, you know, where it maybe puts them for the future.

00:49:15.000 But you start adding the money component to that.

00:49:17.000 And it's like I could see four or five schools basically getting every recruit and no one else getting anything.

00:49:23.000 And you just have these sort of steamroller leagues that, you know, I think could just be bad for the game.

00:49:29.000 Well, you're seeing it now.

00:49:32.000 I mean, the SEC dominates.

00:49:33.000 Obviously, Alabama and Georgia have dominated, I mean, the last ten years. 0.85

00:49:39.000 I don't see that changing.

00:49:41.000 If it does change, those two will still be in the thick of it.

00:49:44.000 There will be a new SEC team that will emerge.

00:49:47.000 Ohio State will be there.

00:49:49.000 Your other suspects, a couple West Coast teams, you know, maybe a Texas, Oklahoma, maybe a TCU. But the pool is pretty small.

00:50:01.000 You know, my question is, who pays the NIL? Like Southern Miss doesn't have any money. 1.00

00:50:07.000 Their TV contract in 2017 was $250,000 per team for the Conference USA TV contract.

00:50:16.000 The same time, the SEC contract per team was $60 million payout per team.

00:50:22.000 That's hard to compete against.

00:50:24.000 So, you know, Every college player gets a stipend.

00:50:32.000 The stipend at Ole Miss and Mississippi State is quite a bit more than it is at Southern Miss.

00:50:39.000 You can't fault the player.

00:50:42.000 Same thing with NIL. If somebody's going to pay a player $10 million before he plays a snap, You can't fault the player.

00:50:51.000 No, of course not. Hey, like, I mean, that's the, yeah, of course not.

00:50:54.000 I think what's going to happen, Don, is you've got a head coach who's making, let's just say $3 million.

00:51:00.000 There's coaches making a lot more, but just making $3 million a year.

00:51:03.000 And he's got a rookie, I shouldn't even call him a rookie, fresh out of high school guy, who's making more than he is.

00:51:12.000 And let's say this kid's got a bad attitude.

00:51:14.000 He's like, I'm not practicing.

00:51:16.000 You know, I don't feel like it today.

00:51:19.000 As the head coach, do you not only deal with that, but start the kid because the boosters, whoever's paying the NIL, I want to see my guy play.

00:51:30.000 So you're in a huge conflict.

00:51:35.000 I didn't even think of that aspect of it, but you're right.

00:51:38.000 I could see that being very problematic.

00:51:42.000 Yeah, I don't know how it plays out.

00:51:43.000 I don't know who wins that.

00:51:44.000 Does the booster or...

00:51:47.000 Is NIL only You know who wins?

00:51:54.000 It's the money. The money always wins, I think, unfortunately.

00:52:00.000 I can see that being scary.

00:52:02.000 Speaking of which, the other big one that you see right now is the sports gambling.

00:52:08.000 It's everywhere. Every time you turn on the TV, it's filled with commercials, in-game information about betting.

00:52:13.000 They're talking about lines during the game.

00:52:16.000 It's sort of interesting to see, considering it was illegal.

00:52:20.000 Just a few years ago.

00:52:21.000 How do you think that's going to change the game?

00:52:26.000 Well, I was never...

00:52:28.000 I mean, I was a lot of things, but I was never a gambler.

00:52:31.000 Yeah. When they built casinos here in Mississippi, I would go in there and I would throw like...

00:52:37.000 12 white chips down.

00:52:40.000 And if you didn't know anything, you'd think, man, that guy's high roller.

00:52:44.000 It'd be $12. Exactly.

00:52:48.000 You know, I never got the gambling thing, thank goodness.

00:52:51.000 But I think I just find it hard to believe that a player could bet it.

00:52:58.000 On the game that he plays in.

00:53:00.000 Now, if the guy, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I just find it hard to believe.

00:53:05.000 And I know that there's crazy things that go on out there.

00:53:09.000 If I were ever going to bet, I was going to bet on myself.

00:53:13.000 I see that as okay.

00:53:16.000 Yeah, listen, your incentives are aligned, so I can see that, but I also see it sort of ripe for the other side when it's just so clear, so easy to, yeah, you can shave a point, you miss one pass.

00:53:29.000 It's much easier to play back.

00:53:32.000 Yeah. On purpose.

00:53:34.000 Hey, Brett, put me in, coach.

00:53:36.000 I can play bad in the NFL. I could be a total disaster.

00:53:39.000 Absolutely. I could not shine.

00:53:40.000 That's something that will never happen.

00:53:41.000 I would never be good in the NFL, but I could be really bad, so maybe this is my chance.

00:53:46.000 Yeah, I think that's where maybe gambling...

00:53:51.000 I think that there was a story not too long ago where a college basketball team was...

00:53:56.000 It was missing free throws and shots on purpose.

00:54:00.000 Yeah. Because they were – and I can't think of the team, and maybe I'm wrong.

00:54:05.000 But, you know, if you think about it from that perspective, that, okay, I control the game as a quarterback.

00:54:12.000 I control the game as a pitcher.

00:54:14.000 At least while I'm in, they can always pull me.

00:54:16.000 Yeah. You know, I can walk the first four batters and guarantee that one run is going to come in.

00:54:23.000 You know, especially when someone says, hey, I'll give you a million dollars if you keep the score under 30 points.

00:54:31.000 When you're controlling or have a great deal of control in scoring and not scoring.

00:54:39.000 So is the fact that gambling is seemingly everywhere now make it even more of a problem or a more pressing issue?

00:54:51.000 I don't know. Yeah, I guess they could always find a way to do it if they wanted to, even prior to it being just so readily available.

00:54:57.000 But yeah, it feels like potentially it's more ripe for the issues.

00:55:01.000 But I do get it. I mean, I remember, you know, in college, you're sitting there like, you know, even if you're putting 50 bucks on a game, it made it That much more exciting because there's something more at stake, especially if you're watching some random game that you don't have a dog in the fight.

00:55:15.000 You're not watching your college or your favorite pro team or whatever it is.

00:55:20.000 It changed the dynamic of that.

00:55:22.000 So I certainly understand both sides of it, but it does seem a little bit scary.

00:55:25.000 Yeah, it does. Again, unfortunately, I dabbled in drinking and pain pills.

00:55:34.000 Thank goodness I didn't dabble in gambling, too, because three strikes and you're out.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, that would be problematic.

00:55:42.000 You saw it happen to some of the people, whether Pete Rose, if you're talking baseball and stuff like that.

00:55:48.000 By the way, I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, especially after what they've legalized and how things are...

00:55:56.000 Looked at and perceived in today's game.

00:55:59.000 Oh, I think it's one of the craziest things in the world, but yeah, I think it's one of those where I guess the league's trying to teach him a lesson, but he was betting on himself too.

00:56:09.000 It's like, I get there's a rule, but there's no incentive for fraud there.

00:56:15.000 Yeah, the guy's like, hey, I'm going to get the hit, the winning hit.

00:56:19.000 I'm going to bet on him. Yeah.

00:56:21.000 It's better than, okay, I got an opportunity to win this game, but I'm going to strike out on purpose.

00:56:27.000 Yeah. The first and the last.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, two different deals. As you've been watching, I mean, you're, I guess, one of the few sort of, you know, you've always been sort of conservative.

00:56:39.000 It's always been pretty clear where you stand out there.

00:56:42.000 But, you know, the NFL itself as a league really likes to signal, you know, Everything's super liberal.

00:56:50.000 Do you have conversations with some of the coaches or the players? 0.55

00:56:54.000 Are they on that side or are they just like, oh crap, I can't believe we're doing it and it's the league?

00:56:59.000 What do you see going on in the NFL right now? 0.75

00:57:03.000 Some of this stuff seems so extreme.

00:57:05.000 Yeah. It's like, I don't know who they're catering to because it certainly doesn't feel like it's catering to their fans.

00:57:11.000 You know, I get there's definitely some players, you know, that believe in some of those things, probably not all of it.

00:57:17.000 You know, what are your thoughts there?

00:57:19.000 My thoughts are strictly that.

00:57:23.000 My thoughts, I really haven't had in-depth conversations with present players and, for that matter, present coaches.

00:57:31.000 But my impression is, There's an enormous amount of fear of saying or doing anything that will disrupt the other side.

00:57:45.000 You know, cave into something that you don't necessarily believe in because you're fearful that you're going to get tons of backlash.

00:57:56.000 That's my perception of how things are playing out.

00:58:01.000 Yeah, because I'm watching some of these things, and I'm like, I don't get it, because it doesn't feel like they're speaking to their fans, and so they're fearful of someone who has nothing to do with the business model, in my opinion, but maybe I'm wrong.

00:58:12.000 Now, you've also been...

00:58:14.000 I've certainly noticed in recent weeks, you've actually been a little bit more out there talking about politics.

00:58:20.000 You commented on...

00:58:22.000 On Tucker's firing, you'd mentioned, you know, that America was in much better shape under Trump.

00:58:27.000 I don't, you know, I think that's pretty obvious.

00:58:29.000 I don't think there's a metric out there that would disagree with that statement.

00:58:32.000 But, you know, what's behind sort of being more vocal about it these days?

00:58:37.000 Well, I think the opportunity to speak on it came up.

00:58:41.000 And when given the opportunity, I haven't like Searched out opportunities to talk.

00:58:49.000 I usually just mind my own business, but if I'm in a position where I'm asked about it, I'm not going to be like most and be scared to say what I feel.

00:58:58.000 I'm not saying I'm right.

00:59:00.000 I feel like I am, to a certain degree. 0.98

00:59:03.000 I think some things that we're arguing over and talking about, it seems like daily, are so Ridiculous. 0.98

00:59:14.000 Ridiculously insane. 0.96

00:59:17.000 I can't believe we're even having a conversation about guys being able to go in the girls' bathroom. 0.62

00:59:24.000 I know there's way more to it than that.

00:59:27.000 But I mean, I got daughters.

00:59:29.000 Yeah. Yeah, my daughter's the same way.

00:59:35.000 My daughter's an athlete. 0.91

00:59:36.000 She's, you know, a sponsored athlete, young kid, but, like, she's out there.

00:59:40.000 She works her... Like, if she was playing against... 1.00

00:59:42.000 She's a golfer. And if she was playing against the guys, I'm saying, I can't even think about it.

00:59:46.000 Like, I wake up some days, Brett, and I'm like, I have to be, like, the star of the Truman Show.

00:59:50.000 Like, they must be videoing me just, like...

00:59:54.000 Like, I feel like I'm an unknown actor in a movie that's punking me.

00:59:58.000 Yeah. Because, you know, five years ago, you think about the things that are out there on a daily basis that people are trying to make really serious.

01:00:05.000 Like, we would have been laughing that, like, it's a parody.

01:00:08.000 It's a caricature of itself.

01:00:11.000 Yeah. And again, I think that the left, in my opinion...

01:00:21.000 It's together more than the right.

01:00:23.000 And what I mean by that is they collectively speak their mind, right or wrong, they speak up, they seem like they have each other's back.

01:00:33.000 Again, right or wrong.

01:00:35.000 Where the right seems to be, for the most part, as some might call them, conservative.

01:00:42.000 Just mind my own business, pay my taxes, go to work, do the things that I'm supposed to do, and it'll work out.

01:00:50.000 I don't know if that's the case anymore.

01:00:54.000 I think you're right.

01:00:55.000 I think it's great to have someone like you out there speaking about who, again, I think You know, you sort of know that you've been a conservative your whole life.

01:01:03.000 You see it in the actions, but I think more of us need to speak out.

01:01:08.000 That's what we do. We can have most of what we want in a deal in Washington, but we blow it because one guy doesn't like one aspect.

01:01:15.000 The Democrats take every little win that they can get.

01:01:19.000 It's 51% there.

01:01:20.000 Fine, we got it. We take the win.

01:01:21.000 And tomorrow we start on the remaining 49%.

01:01:25.000 And we chip away at it.

01:01:26.000 They chip away at it. They chip away at it.

01:01:28.000 We can just blow everything over one thing that doesn't even matter all that much to the vast majority.

01:01:36.000 So we don't play that game as well.

01:01:37.000 And I think it's because you're right. We don't get together.

01:01:40.000 We don't sort of agree, hey, this is what gets us to that next step that we can get to where we want to ultimately be in the end.

01:01:47.000 We blow it before we ever get to first base.

01:01:50.000 Yeah, I think. And I certainly wasn't raised on politics.

01:01:55.000 We didn't talk politics.

01:01:56.000 We talked football and baseball in my house growing up.

01:01:59.000 And we don't talk politics now.

01:02:03.000 I usually catch grief from my kids or some family member that, would you just give it a rest, don't say anything?

01:02:12.000 We get hate mail.

01:02:14.000 We get these vicious DMs.

01:02:18.000 I'm like, well, I get it, but if you don't speak up when given the opportunity, I think that the days of I wake up, I do what I'm supposed to do, I do the right thing, I go to work, I'm hard work, I pay my taxes, and I expect that everyone else does the same thing and we just live in harmony.

01:02:39.000 Those days are over.

01:02:41.000 So if we don't start speaking up and uniting, it's gonna be even worse than it is now.

01:02:50.000 Listen, I think 100%.

01:02:51.000 I mean, you know, perhaps no one knows that better than my family, or certainly my father, and maybe me over the last few years.

01:03:00.000 I mean, you know, the Russia, Russia, Russia stuff, only because, you know, there's now a little bit after the Durham report, and it's like, oh, you mean I wasn't committing treason?

01:03:07.000 I'm so shocked to hear this, folks.

01:03:08.000 But, like, my own lawyers say, you can't go on TV. They're going to put you in jail.

01:03:12.000 Treason is a crime punishable by death.

01:03:14.000 Like, you can't talk about it.

01:03:16.000 But I also couldn't sit back And take the hits and let them lie about me day in and day out.

01:03:22.000 I just had to say, hey man, maybe I'm putting myself in further jeopardy.

01:03:25.000 Maybe I'm taking a risk.

01:03:27.000 I don't care. I have to fight back.

01:03:29.000 So I understand just how difficult it is not being able to talk about it when you know they're doing the hits and they're planting the stories and they're under gag order too, but they're making sure that someone else is doing the dirty work.

01:03:42.000 They're de facto hiring the hitman. 0.97

01:03:44.000 That sucks. It's a shitty situation. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Well, this may be a surprise to... 0.96

01:03:47.000 A lot of people, and it may not be.

01:03:49.000 It shouldn't be. But don't read or believe everything you read and see or hear.

01:03:56.000 Yeah. Well, I think now, I mean, anyone who's been watching for like the last six or seven years understands that just because someone says something doesn't mean there's like, there's not even a pretense of like, that has to be at least a little bit accurate.

01:04:10.000 Like these days, they're just making this stuff up out of thin air.

01:04:14.000 And they can get away with it.

01:04:16.000 That's what's so scary.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, well, listen, they tried overthrowing my father as a president.

01:04:21.000 That's pretty clear. And they're kind of going to get away with that, too.

01:04:24.000 And, you know, other people, you know, you saw the guy that, you know, did the meme about Hillary Clinton, like that guy's going to go to jail for 10 years.

01:04:30.000 But like the CIA director with a sitting vice president, a sitting president could frame the incoming duly elected president of the United States.

01:04:38.000 And like, oh, well, it's fine. That's just politics.

01:04:40.000 It's like, yeah. No, it's not.

01:04:41.000 Like, I remember when that was, you know, election interference.

01:04:44.000 I remember when that was conspiracy.

01:04:46.000 I remember when that was treason.

01:04:47.000 I remember when, you know, now that it's them doing it, all of a sudden the definitions change.

01:04:52.000 Well, it's to fit their, you know, agenda.

01:04:57.000 You know, that's what I think about growing up, and I'm like, did the news that, which was very little, that I watched and My family watched.

01:05:09.000 Was it what somebody wanted us to hear or know?

01:05:14.000 Like it is nowadays.

01:05:15.000 And that's what I try to tell people.

01:05:17.000 I'm like, you're hearing, if you're watching the news, depending on who you're watching, which 99.9% of the news is left.

01:05:25.000 So there's a huge agenda and they control the narrative.

01:05:32.000 The best way to squash that is don't watch it.

01:05:35.000 Don't listen. Yeah.

01:05:38.000 Have you ever thought about running for office yourself?

01:05:41.000 Absolutely not.

01:05:42.000 You know, when I played golf with your dad, I had a blast.

01:05:46.000 And in spite of what people may think, there was no agenda.

01:05:51.000 We had a good time.

01:05:53.000 Listen, people don't get that.

01:05:55.000 He's pretty fun on a golf course.

01:05:56.000 It was all about the golf game.

01:05:59.000 He was, all right, you're going to play with me.

01:06:03.000 We'll play these three.

01:06:05.000 He got us an ice cream sandwich at the turn.

01:06:09.000 What guy does that?

01:06:10.000 What president does that?

01:06:13.000 Granted, it was hot.

01:06:14.000 It was like 95 and humid.

01:06:17.000 But we had a blast.

01:06:18.000 And no agenda. And I thought it was such an honor to be invited to play golf.

01:06:25.000 Now, if Joe Biden offered me...

01:06:28.000 Now, I know that's never going to happen because he doesn't play golf.

01:06:31.000 I have a feeling that's not going to happen.

01:06:32.000 There was a time where we all should have respected that seat, that position in our government, the head of the country.

01:06:42.000 But there's such a disconnect across the board now.

01:06:48.000 I mean, it's really sad.

01:06:49.000 It really is. So, you know, as an avid outdoorsman, now that you have your Sundays and your weekends free, you know, what was that like being a hunter growing up, but basically knowing that, you know, 90% of hunting season, you're out there playing football the whole time.

01:07:04.000 I mean, that was all football.

01:07:07.000 Yeah, you know, me and my little brother, we had 410.

01:07:13.000 We had a 20-gauge.

01:07:15.000 We had a 22-gauge.

01:07:18.000 But what we didn't have was a lot of game.

01:07:20.000 We grew up in the woods.

01:07:22.000 The thing that we probably shot at the most was alligators and gar and big turtles and things like that, which most people don't get to enjoy those.

01:07:35.000 Eventually, they had an alligator season.

01:07:37.000 But when I got to Green Bay, there was not really anything else to do but hunt.

01:07:45.000 Especially when the time changed.

01:07:47.000 Golf courses closed about November 1st.

01:07:50.000 Yeah. That dark about...

01:07:53.000 People hunt season, when hunting got right, about 4.15, 4.30, it was dark.

01:07:58.000 So, if I got out of practice early, I had a 30-minute drive to the woods, and I was in the tree stand.

01:08:07.000 And what better place to really start out your, I mean, where I really got into deer hunting.

01:08:13.000 I hunted growing up in Mississippi, but it's hot.

01:08:16.000 It's humid. Yeah.

01:08:17.000 You're just okay.

01:08:20.000 It's buggy, the deer are small, and you're in the swamp the whole time.

01:08:24.000 It's fun. Then you get dropped off in Wisconsin, and you're sitting in a tree, and a 300-pound buck comes walking out, and you're like, that's a moose.

01:08:34.000 Yeah. And it's cold.

01:08:37.000 The leaves are really falling.

01:08:38.000 I mean, the little creeks are iced over.

01:08:42.000 I mean, that's where I really got hooked on the hunt.

01:08:46.000 It just feels like a slice of Americana, you know what I mean?

01:08:48.000 I can imagine the Wisconsin, like you're saying, just that depiction of the fall, being in a tree stand, checking that out.

01:08:54.000 Are you bow hunting or gun hunting, or a little bit of both?

01:08:57.000 When I was in Wisconsin playing, I primarily bow hunting.

01:09:02.000 Gun season was only nine days.

01:09:05.000 And, you know, you're one and done.

01:09:08.000 Bow season lasted a long time, started September 15th.

01:09:12.000 It ended... January 3rd.

01:09:15.000 So if you were like meticulous and patient and you said, okay, I could have killed that buck. 0.99

01:09:22.000 I could have killed that one. 0.98

01:09:23.000 But I'd rather hold out for a bigger one than I killed last year. 0.98

01:09:28.000 If that's what your preference is, then it was perfect.

01:09:34.000 You know, you had the woods to yourself.

01:09:36.000 You had...

01:09:38.000 Ample amount of time.

01:09:40.000 Gun season, it seemed like everybody was there.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, and I've done it because that's where my first gun season was, you know, Pennsylvania public land gun season.

01:09:50.000 And, you know, there's a component, you may be dodging some bullets.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, it gets a little different.

01:09:54.000 But yeah, the Bo's season, and especially again, doing the high stress position that you're in, the brutality of the game of football, to be able to just sort of sit in a tree and decompress for a few hours.

01:10:07.000 I mean, that's got to be the ultimate...

01:10:10.000 Relaxation. I always encourage, like, you know, anyone I can get into the outdoors, people who haven't had an opportunity to experience that, try to be a mentor and create that next generation of hunters.

01:10:19.000 I mean, you know, that's what, you know, I'm not saying I was an angel, but the outdoor stuff kept me out of so much other trouble, mischief I would have, you know, gotten into, you know, as a kid.

01:10:30.000 And it's that ultimate decompression.

01:10:32.000 It just lets you just sort of collect your thoughts.

01:10:34.000 It's just awesome. I wish everyone could experience that.

01:10:37.000 It's definitely the best medication.

01:10:39.000 That I could have ever had.

01:10:42.000 To be out, and I grew up in the country, grew up in the woods.

01:10:45.000 We didn't have neighbors, so I sort of was raised that way.

01:10:49.000 But being in a tree stand, putting a climber up, shimmying up a tree, turning around, watching squirrels play.

01:10:57.000 I remember one of the first times I'd never seen a porcupine until I was in Wisconsin.

01:11:02.000 Mississippi doesn't have them.

01:11:03.000 And there's one like shimmying up a tree next to me.

01:11:08.000 I wasn't like scared.

01:11:09.000 It was going to jump over and dart me with quills. 0.98

01:11:12.000 But I'm like, this is like being front row seat to Marlon Perkins, you know, One of his famous shows where he sends Jim out to wrestle an eagle off the cliff.

01:11:27.000 Yeah. I mean, you're kind of like right there.

01:11:31.000 I remember like Meeks, things that I didn't see in Mississippi. 0.99

01:11:35.000 Yeah. Bartons, you know, not that I was hunting them.

01:11:40.000 Yeah. Just watching them.

01:11:43.000 It wasn't really about killing something, even though I wanted to kill a trophy buck. 0.97

01:11:48.000 Yeah. I spent a lot of, my wife's like, you must be the worst hunter ever. 1.00

01:11:53.000 Yeah. It's hard to explain that to people, right?

01:11:57.000 You sit there and like, I always say like, I've ruined a lot of amazing hunts by actually, you know, pulling the trigger or by, you know, by actually dropping the bowstring.

01:12:07.000 Not that I missed or not that it wasn't there, but it was like I was having, you know, there was an owl in the tree across, and I'm just sitting there being like, oh my God, I'm just totally in this thing.

01:12:15.000 No one knows what's going, you see what's really going on around you, and you appreciate the nature, the, you know, that sort of, you know, maybe my church, you know what I mean?

01:12:24.000 It's just total meditation, and, you know, then when it's game time, obviously, you want to perform and you do it, but it's like, man, I was having such a good time.

01:12:31.000 Now the real work begins.

01:12:32.000 I got to go gut a deer and drag it out of the woods and all this stuff.

01:12:35.000 And as you know, when you make that shot, it's over.

01:12:38.000 Yeah. You know, in Mississippi, you can kill a few bucks. 0.93

01:12:43.000 But most places, you're wanting done.

01:12:45.000 Yeah. So, you shoot one first day of bow season.

01:12:50.000 Granted, if it's the trophy you're looking for, great.

01:12:54.000 Yeah. But, you know, you're going to spend...

01:12:57.000 You can still go sit in a tree stand if you want, but it's not the same.

01:13:00.000 It makes you more selective.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, 100%. I do the sheep stuff out in the Yukon and stuff like that where you take a backpack for 14 days, you may see one animal.

01:13:11.000 Actually, the gentleman I was talking about earlier, my friend who killed himself, a big hunter, I remember we did a sheep hunt together where we were sharing a camp and everything like that.

01:13:22.000 I tagged out on day two and I was just like, Okay, well, I stuck around for 10 days till he tagged out, just put my, you know, left my rifle, you know, in the tent, was walking without a heavy pack and just, you know, hanging out with him in, you know, in the wilds of the Yukon.

01:13:37.000 And it was, this is a couple of weeks before his death.

01:13:41.000 And like, I just remember being like, The best experience ever because there was no more pressure anymore.

01:13:46.000 I'm just, I'm able to sit back and enjoy the, you know, all the aspects of that nature and the mountains and the hike and everything.

01:13:53.000 And it was incredible. And, you know, I got to have that extra quality time with him when, you know, even the outfitter's like, what do you mean you're staying?

01:14:01.000 Like, you tagged out on a sheep hunt.

01:14:02.000 Like, you go home. You don't just walk around the mountains for a hundred mile loop with, you know, frostbite and rain and sleet and snow.

01:14:09.000 It's like, I'm having a great time.

01:14:10.000 Like, this is the greatest thing ever.

01:14:11.000 I'm staying. Yeah, that's part of it.

01:14:13.000 I think what I tell people, it's really the experience.

01:14:18.000 Seeing some, like going to Colorado for the first time on an elk hunt.

01:14:24.000 All of a sudden you hear one bugle, and it's smoke coming out of his mouth.

01:14:30.000 I mean, it's just...

01:14:35.000 You know, some of the experiences that you get to see unbelievable places, you get to see different animals.

01:14:44.000 You know, like I grew up with alligators, so I assume everyone saw an alligator.

01:14:50.000 A good friend of mine moved to Green Bay to run some department store there, moved from California.

01:15:00.000 Well, they came down to Mississippi to visit, like after my first year.

01:15:06.000 They bought our house.

01:15:07.000 He got relocated in Green Bay.

01:15:09.000 We became friends. They came down to Mississippi for the first time, never even been even close to Texas, better yet.

01:15:18.000 Cross the Mississippi. Yeah.

01:15:20.000 We're riding down the road.

01:15:21.000 We're going to play golf. And he's like, he like starts panicking.

01:15:24.000 Like, I said, what is it, Rodney?

01:15:28.000 He said, what was that?

01:15:31.000 I said, what are you talking about?

01:15:32.000 He said, I saw something like in a ditch.

01:15:35.000 Then you turn around. It was an armadillo.

01:15:37.000 He'd never seen an armadillo.

01:15:39.000 I mean, I'm like, oh, God, those are...

01:15:43.000 They're everywhere, yes.

01:15:45.000 That's kind of like when I go to places, I'm kind of like that, you know?

01:15:49.000 Yeah. I remember seeing a black squirrel for the first time ever.

01:15:54.000 I mean, not that it's a big deal, but I was like, Should I tell somebody or what?

01:16:01.000 Exactly. That's awesome.

01:16:04.000 Listen, we'll have to do this.

01:16:06.000 You and I are going to have to share a deer camp or an elk camp or something like that in the not-too-distant future.

01:16:12.000 We'll do something like this just around the campfire, talking, hunting, and fishing, because that's another thing.

01:16:17.000 I think one of those great American tradition, something that if we could get every kid off their ass, away from a video game and into the woods, you know, learning the discipline, the patience, the perseverance that it takes to become, you know, sort of an accomplished outdoors man or woman, you know, I think we'd be doing them a major favor.

01:16:37.000 So maybe we have to do that, man. 0.57

01:16:38.000 I'd love to do it. I'd love to share the campfire with you one day.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, likewise.

01:16:42.000 I was going to tell you before we let each other go.

01:16:46.000 You've got to take me on one of these trips.

01:16:48.000 I read in your magazine, it may not have been the Yukon, but you went to Kazakhstan or somewhere.

01:16:58.000 Yeah, I was in Mongolia with my son living in a yurt with the nomads. 0.99

01:17:04.000 I started an outdoor publication because even hunting, like the NFL, even hunting sort of got a Apologetic.

01:17:12.000 They went a little bit woke. They're afraid to offend everyone.

01:17:15.000 I think we just have to have an honest conversation.

01:17:17.000 And so I started the Field Ethos Journal with a couple of buddies just to tell those stories so people can experience, you know, that kind of stuff.

01:17:24.000 Yeah, so people always ask me, what are the other things you're doing?

01:17:26.000 I'm like, that's one of them. So go check out Field Ethos.

01:17:28.000 But by the way, I'll text you later on.

01:17:30.000 I'll send you all the magazines and stuff like that.

01:17:33.000 You can see the other ones for yourself because, yeah, you're more than welcome to come on one of those with me.

01:17:39.000 I'd love to. I'd love to. I went mountain lion hunting in 2016.

01:17:48.000 Me and a buddy of mine who's a doctor here in town.

01:17:52.000 And it wasn't on my to-do list.

01:17:54.000 It wasn't on my bucket list.

01:17:56.000 But a friend of mine whose cousin Lived in Cedar City, Utah.

01:18:03.000 Had some tags.

01:18:05.000 He wasn't a hunter.

01:18:06.000 He invited me and somebody else.

01:18:09.000 So I got my buddy to tag along.

01:18:11.000 And I'm like, what do we do?

01:18:14.000 I don't know. It's a blast.

01:18:18.000 Just don't let them see the preachers, Brett.

01:18:21.000 Ask me how I know.

01:18:23.000 I write about it, but there's certain things you're not allowed to show anymore without cancellation.

01:18:27.000 But yeah, those are great hunts, and you're doing the elk herd and the deer herd a major favor when you do them as well.

01:18:34.000 But yeah, it's one of those.

01:18:35.000 We've got to work a little harder to get people to understand that one as well.

01:18:38.000 That creates the outrage cycle, as you know.

01:18:41.000 Well, it attacks someone jogging.

01:18:45.000 Oh yeah. It's crazy what they're doing in California and some of those things now.

01:18:51.000 But yeah, let's 100% do that.

01:18:53.000 I'll link up with you and we'll get something going for the fall.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, sounds good. Gotta get started ASAP. Let's do it, man.

01:19:02.000 Well, Brett, thank you very much for the time.

01:19:04.000 I really appreciate it, guys.

01:19:05.000 I hope you really enjoyed that.

01:19:07.000 I think that was awesome. And like I said, we'll have Brett back on.

01:19:10.000 We'll do a campfire talk about hunting one day, and we'll also talk about the other things going on when I know what will happen will happen.

01:19:17.000 Unfortunately, as you said, the process will play out.

01:19:19.000 It'll take a little bit of time, and they like to drag that out.

01:19:22.000 But there's no doubt in my mind that you're going to be all good there, man.

01:19:25.000 So thanks so much for doing what you do.

01:19:26.000 We really appreciate it. Thanks, Don, for having me.

01:19:29.000 Really, it was a blast. Likewise, man.

01:19:33.000 Okay, guys, that was really cool.

01:19:35.000 Thank you so much, Brett.

01:19:36.000 That was awesome. I think we'll have to do a lot more of that, just bring in a different perspective.

01:19:41.000 And again, for people who are like that, who necessarily maybe were Republicans for life, but haven't been all that vocal, actually speaking about these things is really important.

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