Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Equal Justice is Dead: How do we Save America? Interview with MAGA Star DC Draino | TRIGGERED Ep.40

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00:00:40.000 Today we're joined by someone special, Rogan O'Handley.

00:00:43.000 But of course, many of you guys probably know him as DC Drano.

00:00:48.000 He's a major MAGA social media warrior.

00:00:52.000 He doesn't hold back, and he's been an incredible voice in exposing Russiagate in all of the

00:00:58.000 insane, dirty tricks inside the Washington swamp, the radical Democrats, and just some

00:01:05.000 of the, you know, rhino Republicans. 0.79

00:01:09.000 But he's also got an incredible backstory, something really interesting.

00:01:13.000 He went from being a lawyer to doing this, a lawyer who focused and did a bunch of stuff

00:01:19.000 in Hollywood and was working there.

00:01:22.000 So this is going to be a fun one.

00:01:24.000 You'll get some inside knowledge into how that happened, as well as how he's able to

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00:04:21.000 All right, guys, we have an interesting one today.

00:04:23.000 You guys know him as DC Drano, but started off in a past life as Rogan O'Handley.

00:04:33.000 Drano, how do you make the transition from Rogan O'Handley to DC Drano?

00:04:38.000 How did that work?

00:04:41.000 Well, it's almost embarrassing to admit it at this point, but I was actually once a Hollywood entertainment lawyer, and the path that got me there is a windy one.

00:04:51.000 I grew up in Massachusetts and was doing my best to become a successful corporate attorney in 2009-2010 when the market was in the gutter.

00:05:02.000 One of the best jobs I got was in LA and segued into Hollywood.

00:05:07.000 Once your father got elected, I just knew what moment we were at in history.

00:05:13.000 With Marxism at the time banging at the door, now Marxism is in the living room.

00:05:19.000 But yeah, I decided to create a meme account, anonymous meme account, to get my voice out there.

00:05:27.000 So talk about, listen, I think for our people, the Hollywood thing is going to be sort of fascinating, right?

00:05:33.000 These sort of vacuous, low IQ people seem to have this very disproportionate hold on the narrative and on the conversation. 0.92

00:05:44.000 I think people are getting that, but there's also so much sort of deviance Even surrounding that.

00:05:50.000 Like, what did you see in your time there?

00:05:53.000 Because, you know, as we learn more and more, man, you go down the rabbit hole on this one.

00:05:58.000 And, you know, at first we were called conspiracy theories for thinking this.

00:06:01.000 And yet, each and every time they're taking the wrong position on this, you start wondering why.

00:06:06.000 Each and every time they end up being involved and tied into some of these scandals that you see.

00:06:11.000 What was that like, going into that, you know, pit of vipers?

00:06:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it was actually...

00:06:21.000 I mean, you know, I saw Obama flying out for fundraisers all the time.

00:06:29.000 He'd land right outside my window in the helicopters and take a bus.

00:06:32.000 I mean, Hollywood's an ATM machine for the Democrat Party.

00:06:35.000 And once they lost control, they just, you know, became the hornet's nest of anti-Trump resistance.

00:06:40.000 And, you know, one thing that I really hated at the time, and it's kind of Sunk in now, but these award shows for Hollywood were really just political rallies.

00:06:52.000 And the people that they were targeting were the, you know, hardworking middle class of which I came from.

00:06:58.000 My dad's a fireman.

00:06:59.000 My mom's a teacher. And I hated how they were blaming them for all these problems. 0.60

00:07:05.000 You know, oh, you're driving a truck.

00:07:07.000 Oh, you want guns. 0.96

00:07:08.000 And, you know, they got private jets, mansions or whatever.

00:07:11.000 And I also saw, you know, I did deals with the Harvey Weinstein company.

00:07:17.000 I did deals with Will Ferrell, Jonah Hill, anyone, LeBron James, with their attorneys.

00:07:24.000 And, you know, I wasn't at the level where I saw the kind of Harvey Weinstein sexual crimes.

00:07:36.000 But I was at the level where I knew a lot of actors and actresses and agents and producers and whatever.

00:07:42.000 And I can't tell you how many women aspiring actresses in that industry have been sexually assaulted while working on film, TV and music projects. 0.81

00:07:53.000 It's staggering. And by names that are still very well known that have not been MeToo'd.

00:07:59.000 So the industry is rampant with evil.

00:08:02.000 And yet they would point the finger at everyone.

00:08:05.000 So I just couldn't deal with it anymore.

00:08:07.000 Yeah, I mean, that's interesting. That sort of, you know, echoes a little bit of my experience.

00:08:11.000 You know, when we were doing The Apprentice and stuff like that, obviously you had, you know, people from that film world.

00:08:17.000 And, you know, I'd show up and do something, but you'd hear some of these conversations and be like, no, come on, that's got to be gossip.

00:08:22.000 You know, at the time, it was before sort of all of that stuff started getting exposed.

00:08:27.000 But yeah, I think it's actually probably still, it wasn't like a Harvey Weinstein problem.

00:08:32.000 It's an entire ecosystem problem.

00:08:35.000 It went so much further beyond that.

00:08:37.000 And again, for me, I was like, come on, that's nonsense.

00:08:40.000 But you hear it over and over, like, wait a minute, there's something there.

00:08:42.000 And only now, sort of in hindsight, do you realize, like, Oh my god, they were actually 100% right, and perhaps the worst part of it is that everyone knows, and yet it's shocking how they're covering that up, right?

00:08:54.000 It's like, well, we got rid of the one guy that's doing it, now it's not a problem anymore, but it still really is rampant.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, there's a lot of problems because you have these pop-up projects in the middle of nowhere.

00:09:06.000 You got these people that you'll only meet and see, say you're filming a movie, right, an independent film.

00:09:11.000 You'll see him for 30 days. You'll probably never see him again maybe five years later on another project.

00:09:15.000 And so I think it leads to this.

00:09:17.000 And the actors and actresses, you know, because it happens to the guys, too.

00:09:22.000 They're working their way up and they don't want to cause a scene because the second you cause a scene, you're blackballed.

00:09:31.000 It's a small industry. Everyone knows everyone.

00:09:34.000 So, yeah, that was really bad.

00:09:35.000 And I, you know, started to post these memes anonymously as DC Drano.

00:09:40.000 I thought memes are the most Effective form of communication.

00:09:44.000 And, you know, once that account started to grow, I had like 50,000 followers.

00:09:49.000 I was like, they're going to eventually find out.

00:09:51.000 And it's only a matter of time until I'm canned.

00:09:52.000 So I decided to quit everything and move to Florida and give it a shot full time.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, no, it's interesting you say that about memes, because, you know, people have given me a hard time when I put, like, sort of, you know, meme war general in my bio, but the reality is, you know, the old saying, you know, a picture says a thousand words, it's sort of amazing how powerful those things are, because... You don't need to say it, but people get it.

00:10:19.000 You're sort of driving home the obvious.

00:10:21.000 You're doing it with humor. You know, the amount of people that comment like, oh, you need it to me.

00:10:26.000 You know, I love that meme about this.

00:10:27.000 Like, it's really actually effective.

00:10:30.000 And, you know, perhaps that's why we start seeing so much of the censorship.

00:10:33.000 I've certainly seen that on, you know, Instagram or everything like that, where they take something that's either subjective or Well, there's something that could be potentially mistaken, and they fact check you, fact check you, just try to ding your account, knock you down every step of the way, because it's actually something that's been very effective in getting the points out there, showing the lunacy of what the other side is doing.

00:10:59.000 100%. And I think it's, frankly, a reason your dad got elected in 2016 and why he's so successful now.

00:11:06.000 Even still today because the meme world loves him and the right has a monopoly on memes.

00:11:13.000 The left can't meme. They still can't meme.

00:11:15.000 I think I've seen one good meme.

00:11:17.000 It was, you know, those Halloween costume pictures where and it showed like a guy wearing kind of similar outfit as me with a beard and he goes, costume for conservative guys scared of cities, big cities or whatever, which I thought was hilarious.

00:11:33.000 I was like, all right, they got absolutely a good one.

00:11:34.000 But Yeah, good reason to be scared of cities these days.

00:11:38.000 But, yeah, the left can't meme, and so all they've done, instead of posting better memes to beat us, they've censored us.

00:11:45.000 And, you know, you've been censored so much, and shadow banned, and pretty much all of us have.

00:11:51.000 But psychologically speaking, you know, meme warfare, people have said that.

00:11:56.000 Jack Posobiec wrote a book about it.

00:12:00.000 If you showed me a tweet that I wrote two weeks ago, I'd be like, oh, I wrote that?

00:12:07.000 Okay, interesting.

00:12:09.000 If you showed me a meme I saw 10 years ago, I'd be like, I've seen this meme.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, no, 100%.

00:12:15.000 There's something to that.

00:12:17.000 That's why they're so effective.

00:12:19.000 They're entertaining, but the visual, it sticks in your brain so well, and it educates people.

00:12:25.000 And so that's what I try to do is include good information in a meme that's memorable and entertaining.

00:12:30.000 And yeah, and again, I think it's so easy to package some of these things and just share.

00:12:35.000 But yeah, talk about the censorship a little bit, because I know I've had virtual no-growth for month-long periods with very high engagement, right?

00:12:48.000 How do you get, I remember there was one time I had, and this was like early, like 16, 17,

00:12:53.000 like before it really even became sort of big.

00:12:56.000 I had like 2 million followers or something like that total.

00:12:58.000 And I had like, it was like 30 million views that month and I got exactly zero followers.

00:13:03.000 And I was like, well, I'm obviously shadow banned.

00:13:05.000 And I was then called a conspiracy theorist.

00:13:07.000 They're like, well, what is your basis?

00:13:09.000 It's like, well, I'm not looking at the algorithm, but I know last week I was getting, you know,

00:13:13.000 I would get 5,000 retweets of posts or reposts or regrams or views or whatever metric you wanted to look

00:13:19.000 at it and today I'm getting They're like, well, 4,000?

00:13:22.000 Maybe your content's not that good.

00:13:23.000 I go, no, no, no, not 4,000.

00:13:26.000 Four! Like, single digits!

00:13:28.000 Four! And, you know, you just saw it coming.

00:13:31.000 You saw them try to shut down other things.

00:13:35.000 And then, obviously, it came out in the Twitter files.

00:13:37.000 And, honestly, I don't even know that Twitter was the worst example of it, unfortunately.

00:13:41.000 I think maybe, for me, it was probably Instagram, because I did a lot more memeing there.

00:13:45.000 And to your point, yeah, I can have a meme.

00:13:48.000 Someone will bring it up, something I memed a year ago.

00:13:51.000 Something I've posted a year ago.

00:13:53.000 And because, you know, I've always tried to...

00:13:55.000 Just build up the people creating that kind of content.

00:13:58.000 Now, sometimes you create your own monsters, as we've seen in this world, where all of a sudden now people are salaried influencers.

00:14:05.000 What I loved about 16, it was so organic, right?

00:14:07.000 People just did it. They believed in their country.

00:14:09.000 It wasn't even for Trump, but for the cause.

00:14:12.000 Now it's like, oh, for three grand a month, I'll be your influencer and just go after all the people that either helped create you or the people that you got into it for, for money.

00:14:20.000 So talk about that change that you've seen probably out there as well.

00:14:24.000 It's interesting. One of my friends who's in the business world and donor in the GOP, he goes, find me two or three major Democrat successful meme accounts over 100,000.

00:14:37.000 He goes, they don't exist.

00:14:38.000 And we are very lucky.

00:14:41.000 There's probably at least 100, if not a few hundred, over 100,000 in the conservative meme world and growing so expansively.

00:14:50.000 The ecosystem is massive, but Yeah, they realize this is an effective form.

00:14:56.000 It's kind of like the Rebel Alliance versus the Empire.

00:14:58.000 We're this ragtag group of people communicating with smoke signals and cartoons to create a resistance movement against this massive, powerful, fully funded.

00:15:11.000 The difference between our influencers and theirs is theirs are paid.

00:15:14.000 We have to kind of figure it out.

00:15:16.000 They've demonetized us on so many things.

00:15:18.000 They make it so hard. And like you said, the shadow banning is real.

00:15:21.000 I don't know exactly how they do what you're describing.

00:15:24.000 I know it's real. Over the last year, I've grown approximately, like, there was a point for almost an entire year I grew zero, which there are times when I grow 100, 200,000 a month.

00:15:36.000 So they definitely are targeting us, but it's still, even despite that onslaught of censorship, We are still growing and getting our message out there.

00:15:47.000 And I got to give a lot of credit to you, especially because I remember I had like 100,000 followers and meme accounts were not like that big of a deal in the conservative world.

00:15:56.000 And you followed me and I think you recognize the potential and the power in these meme accounts.

00:16:04.000 You are like a meme general because you've elevated so many accounts by sharing them and reposting them and tagging them that it's We've grown this ecosystem of freedom fighters.

00:16:14.000 So, you know, you recognized it early on, and a few years later, they recognized it and now suppress it.

00:16:20.000 Yeah, no, that was one of the things I always do.

00:16:22.000 It's like, hey, I'm not coming up with a lot of this stuff, but if I'm going to do it...

00:16:25.000 You do see a lot of that, though, where guys, like, taking stuff and, like, making it their own.

00:16:29.000 Like, if I know my problem now is, like, a thousand people send me the same meme or they crop it and they cut out someone's watermark or something, like...

00:16:36.000 When I can, I actually try to give credit because I do think it's so effective.

00:16:40.000 And for me, it's not even about, well, is it pro-Trump?

00:16:42.000 Is it this? It's like, no, like this is a way that the movement can actually fight back.

00:16:45.000 I mean, you sort of used, you know, the Star Wars analogy and you're right.

00:16:48.000 Then there's like, you know, the Empire Strikes Back and maybe now, maybe 2024 is the return of the Jedi as led by the Meme Warriors.

00:16:58.000 I hope so. I truly, I mean, I think your dad won.

00:17:03.000 This is on Rumble, so I think I can say this.

00:17:05.000 2020 was raked completely.

00:17:07.000 And I think your dad won by a landslide with the mass mail ballots and the drop boxes and 2,000 mules.

00:17:14.000 I mean, we're literally watching it on film.

00:17:17.000 People doing dozens, taking off the gloves, looking at the camera, zipping off, coming back.

00:17:23.000 GeoTrack, what they used to throw J6 protesters in jail for months without trial. 1.00

00:17:27.000 We've got that for thousands and thousands of these people hitting up 15 different locations.

00:17:32.000 And it's like, not a single one of them has been arrested.

00:17:35.000 And it's just crazy to me.

00:17:38.000 And then Bill Barr's like, oh, you know, Trump was lying about 2020.

00:17:41.000 No, you guys didn't open a single investigation.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, like every conspiracy theory that we've seen over the last few years, it will prove to be right.

00:17:52.000 Or maybe it's big enough that they'll actually suppress it like they tried to do with the others.

00:17:57.000 But hopefully the truth comes out in that one.

00:17:58.000 Because, like, again, you know, you don't even have to look at the...

00:18:02.000 Does anyone really believe that Joe Biden outperformed Barack Obama in 08?

00:18:07.000 Like, by a lot. Like, does anyone believe that for one second?

00:18:11.000 And for me, as someone who was on the ground in 16, who was on the ground in 20, if you asked me going into Election Day, and again, I did 104 rallies in October of 2020.

00:18:25.000 Like, even in the midst of the insanity going on, that's like four a day.

00:18:29.000 I got it. I was on the ground all over the country.

00:18:32.000 And if you asked me going into election day where we had a better chance, it wasn't even close that it was 2020.

00:18:39.000 But I do believe hundreds of thousands of ballots were cast for people who did not even know who was in the race.

00:18:48.000 Could not have told you, but the Democrats are out there.

00:18:50.000 They're collecting them. You know, we collect votes.

00:18:52.000 We get people to win.

00:18:54.000 We love you. Okay, great.

00:18:55.000 And then we hope there's not a snowstorm on Election Day that they show up.

00:18:59.000 These guys have a six-week-long Election Day.

00:19:01.000 They're knocking on doors.

00:19:02.000 Who knows what they're doing to get those ballots?

00:19:04.000 But I guarantee you, the people of Pennsylvania and Michigan and some of the other swing states, I bet you there are countless ballots that people probably could not have told you who's even on the ballot.

00:19:15.000 A hundred percent.

00:19:17.000 I mean, in Michigan, I remember my friend, Austin Fletcher, he did this kind of video on you could search voter names and see when they requested ballots and see when they filed their ballot.

00:19:34.000 And people were dead since the 80s.

00:19:36.000 And they were requesting ballots in September and filing it in October.

00:19:41.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:19:42.000 And then CNN tried to debunk them and they couldn't.

00:19:45.000 And then they eventually just shut the Michigan website down.

00:19:47.000 I mean, we watched the videos in Georgia.

00:19:50.000 You know, how does Trump win 18 out of 19 bellwether counties, the same amount that Obama won, and then lose?

00:19:58.000 How does he win Iowa, Florida, and Ohio and lose?

00:20:02.000 How does he... Increase his vote lead, which has pretty much never happened for a re-election, and lose.

00:20:13.000 And how does he pick up, won all swing seats for the House.

00:20:18.000 They picked up like 20 seats in the House and lose.

00:20:21.000 So it just doesn't, from a guy that campaigned in his basement.

00:20:24.000 But, you know, this is just the machine that we're up against.

00:20:29.000 I honestly underestimate how powerful they were.

00:20:31.000 Until that 2020 election, I thought, okay, we got a hold on these guys.

00:20:36.000 We're cleaning it out.

00:20:37.000 And I was like, wow, they are way more powerful than I thought, because then not a single judge actually heard these cases.

00:20:44.000 And I guarantee there was some funny business going on in the background, potentially threatening these judges or intimidating them.

00:20:50.000 Anytime a county would say, hey, there's actually more ballots than people in this precinct, we're not certifying it an hour later.

00:20:58.000 Actually, my children's schools are being We're going to certify now.

00:21:04.000 It was insane. That's the problem.

00:21:06.000 I mean, the intimidation.

00:21:08.000 You see that whether it's the Supreme Court or all the way down to those levels.

00:21:11.000 There's not a lot of Republicans out there.

00:21:14.000 There's a component of me that gets it.

00:21:16.000 Perhaps I got the Trump gene, so we just fight.

00:21:20.000 They can't handle that intimidation.

00:21:23.000 And that intimidation is very real, right?

00:21:24.000 There's a real social consequence.

00:21:26.000 In many cases, there seems to be a real physical consequence to going against that machine.

00:21:30.000 I think they played the same games in 16 with Hillary.

00:21:33.000 I think they underestimated what they needed to do.

00:21:37.000 I think she's the person most upset with 2020 because she's out there saying, you know, why the hell didn't they do that for me?

00:21:42.000 But you can't look at You know, the individual examples, the way they defined probability, right?

00:21:50.000 You can't be a rational person, a person capable of, you know, basic math and statistics and be like, oh yeah, 100%, Joe Biden really won that.

00:21:58.000 It was legit. Now, I do also think, though, that we have to play the same game going into 2024.

00:22:04.000 You know, if we sit there and say, we want election day voting, we want paper ballots, we want IDs, like, I want all of those things.

00:22:10.000 But they have, you know, a lot of these state legislators, or they'll intimidate the Republicans on that legislator. 0.93

00:22:16.000 Then they say, see, even the Republicans vote.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, I mean, yeah, with a gun to the heads, the Republicans agreed with you, you're right.

00:22:23.000 Because, again, not everyone can take that.

00:22:25.000 So, you know, what are your thoughts on playing that game and what we need to be doing 424 to make sure that we can at least level the playing field?

00:22:33.000 Because I don't think anyone can look at a single metric, economic, social, or otherwise, and say that Joe Biden and the Democrat Party is doing anything that's not disastrous for our country right now.

00:22:47.000 100%. The first thing I'm worried about is what they're going to use to justify election procedure changes in 2024.

00:22:55.000 So with COVID, they launched it around January, February.

00:23:00.000 The lockdown started in March, April.

00:23:03.000 And then over the summer, while everyone's kind of getting back into their life a little bit, they start doing the mass mail-in ballots unconstitutional.

00:23:14.000 Even in Pennsylvania, the Supreme Court recently ruled you can't do that.

00:23:18.000 State legislatures have to approve it, and they didn't.

00:23:21.000 They did Secretary of State changes.

00:23:23.000 They did executive orders.

00:23:24.000 Those are unconstitutional. Those ballots should not have counted.

00:23:26.000 They didn't even do signature verification, but here's where I'm optimistic.

00:23:31.000 Virginia. Virginia showed that with some advanced legal Intervention, Harmeet Dillon was in, and there was like a thousand lawyers, I think, on the ground in Virginia.

00:23:45.000 She was in, was it Fairfax County, the largest county, and they tried to pull the funny business, and they shut down the accounting and the voting, and people were like, here we go again.

00:23:55.000 And I remember Harmeet Dillon tweeted, I'm here, we're getting this going again, don't worry, we got lawyers on the ground, we're stopping this, boom.

00:24:01.000 They counted the votes, and it was a sweep across the entire state.

00:24:05.000 I do believe that with enough lawfare of our own, we can overwhelm the fraud, especially without mass mail-in ballots and drop boxes.

00:24:15.000 We can do this. And then we fix it from the top down.

00:24:18.000 So we have to play the game, and we have to, you know, I love what Carrie Lake is doing, because not only is she not quitting, like other people have when they know it's rigged, But she is changing.

00:24:32.000 We have to chip away relentlessly until we get these changes.

00:24:38.000 Right now, there is no legal precedent to do a trial on signature verification in Arizona for the first time ever, handed down by the Arizona Supreme Court.

00:24:45.000 That's a step forward, right?

00:24:48.000 In Georgia, in Texas, they passed new laws.

00:24:50.000 In Florida, in Ohio, there's so many new laws being passed and so many court cases being held down that They can only cheat so much in these swing states that have decent governance.

00:25:02.000 So I believe that we just have to overwhelm the fraud as best we can, have lawyers in the right places, file lawsuits in advance, day of, not reactively, and pull this out.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, I mean, the reactive one is a hard one, though, because sometimes, because you just don't know which game they're going to play.

00:25:19.000 I mean, there's always a game.

00:25:21.000 It always only breaks one way.

00:25:24.000 We've seen that. And again, you know, if things were honest, you'd say, okay, well, 50-50, it would go, like, it's 100% one way.

00:25:32.000 I mean, the Carrie Lake stuff, I think, is great.

00:25:34.000 And the real problem is, I mean, there's these rhino Republicans. 1.00

00:25:38.000 She should just accept it.

00:25:39.000 I'm like, wait, wait, you mean... They did, what was it, like, you know, umpteen hundred thousand signature verifications at three seconds apiece.

00:25:48.000 I mean, it's literally impossible.

00:25:51.000 You have people that have given testimony.

00:25:53.000 We were pressured to do this.

00:25:56.000 They're crying on the stand.

00:25:58.000 Like, they know they were bullied into something, and that's why it's so important to not just have, you know, the legal people there, but the volunteers. 0.63

00:26:04.000 They need to be of a certain, you know, you need a certain level of balls. 0.84

00:26:09.000 Because you're going to be cannon fodder. 0.95

00:26:12.000 They are going to come after you.

00:26:14.000 You need to be willing to take that.

00:26:16.000 You know, I've done that.

00:26:17.000 You've done that. That's not for everyone.

00:26:19.000 Again, so we got to make sure you have the people that are unafraid.

00:26:23.000 I mean, we all have to, as a party, I think, become unafraid.

00:26:26.000 But there's nothing worse to me in the recent weeks as all these revelations come out.

00:26:30.000 The Republicans even out there.

00:26:32.000 Well, you know, she lost, so we just got to accept it.

00:26:35.000 I'm like, wait a minute, man. This is like the end of the Republic.

00:26:38.000 Like, the Democrats, their heels to die on are, you know, genital mutilation of three-year-olds without parental consent.

00:26:45.000 Like, this isn't like, hey, we kind of want to get to the same place later on.

00:26:50.000 We maybe agree about it a little bit differently. 0.99

00:26:52.000 Like, no, man, these people are sick, they're depraved, they're evil, and they need to be stopped. 0.99

00:26:58.000 But, man, they're willing to play a different game than so many of us are. 0.99

00:27:03.000 They are, and they want power at all costs, and they will threaten.

00:27:06.000 Look what they do with the Supreme Court justices when the Dobbs decision was coming out.

00:27:11.000 Guys are showing up with zip ties and knives to the Supreme Court Justice House, and the DOJ doesn't even do anything.

00:27:18.000 They play thug baseball, cartel, mafia.

00:27:22.000 I don't care what you want to call it.

00:27:24.000 They are out for power at any cost.

00:27:28.000 Because they know if your father gets in there one more time, he's going to clean house.

00:27:35.000 We have a good Senate map in 2024.

00:27:37.000 We'll definitely have a majority, even with the cheating.

00:27:42.000 And we're probably going to win the house, hopefully.

00:27:44.000 But they know that tens of thousands, if not over 100,000, Deep state bureaucrats are going to get fired.

00:27:52.000 They're going to get replaced with people that actually respect the Constitution.

00:27:55.000 And it's going to be a whole new ballgame because the source of their power is the deep state.

00:28:00.000 It's these people that live in D.C. for 20, 30 years working their way up these government jobs who actually control the country.

00:28:08.000 And that's been made abundantly clear.

00:28:10.000 The FBI was just exposed.

00:28:12.000 Spying on a U.S. president.

00:28:13.000 The CIA knew about it.

00:28:15.000 They met with Obama. He knew about it.

00:28:17.000 Joe Biden knew about it.

00:28:19.000 They're so desperate that everything is out in the open now.

00:28:23.000 Their corruption is wide open.

00:28:24.000 So we have all the affirmation.

00:28:27.000 We have the rationale.

00:28:28.000 Now all we need is to overwhelm this fraud and get in there and clean house.

00:28:33.000 Because if we don't, it's your father or no one for me.

00:28:37.000 I don't think anyone else is going to take on the machine like he does.

00:28:40.000 You know, I really like how Governor DeSantis is doing in Florida, but the fact that he's partnered up with the establishment to try and take on your father shows me he's not going to clean house.

00:28:51.000 He'll play ball. He'll get some good things done if he was in, but your dad is what we need to actually create a government for the people, by the people, and of the people.

00:29:00.000 Otherwise, we have no shot in the future.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, so talk about that a little bit further.

00:29:04.000 I mean, I know you had dinner with them recently.

00:29:06.000 I ran into you guys there.

00:29:07.000 I mean, you know, and I think that's what scares them the most.

00:29:10.000 That's why you see, again, the establishment rhinos going, Trump can't possibly do anything.

00:29:14.000 Like, they're scared that a sort of a one-term Trump, you know, someone who doesn't need to get re-elected again, someone who doesn't need to make friends, someone now who has the experience of just how corrupted D.C. is, who the bad guys are.

00:29:30.000 I mean... To me, that scares the ever-living hell out of them, because these people talk about Trump being unchained, but imagine Trump unchained with the receipts, knowing all of these things, and not caring about anything for D.C. That's, to me, the only combination that will ever put a dent in these guys.

00:29:52.000 I think we understood the swamp going in a little bit.

00:29:54.000 I don't think anyone understood just how bad it is, just how evil it is, just how incompetent.

00:30:03.000 But, you know, I think that's why you're seeing that sort of unified attack of all the people in the establishment, all the billionaire donor class, because that's a whole other level of, you know, yeah, we're kind of maga as long as, you know, I don't want to piss off China too much.

00:30:18.000 I mean, they're as bad as the NBA and the Democrats with some of this stuff.

00:30:21.000 Talk about that in those conversations that you had with him, because again, I think that's why you're seeing such a push from that establishment to try to find anyone.

00:30:29.000 I mean, the amount of people that have gotten into this race in the last few weeks is pretty amazing.

00:30:36.000 And everyone that gets into this race, your dad should be happy, because that's just splitting the anti-Trump vote even further.

00:30:45.000 Because the MAGA people, and they're going to screw themselves, the MAGA base does not forget Who did what when?

00:30:52.000 Just ask Mike Pence, right?

00:30:53.000 We all supported him for four plus years.

00:30:56.000 We had his back. He crossed us on January 6th.

00:30:58.000 He's done forever. What these people are doing is flirting with the end of their political careers because the MAGA movement is the most powerful political movement in this country.

00:31:07.000 It's only growing because middle class, hardworking people on both sides of all races, of all sexualities, whatever, are sick and tired of the corruption.

00:31:16.000 You know, seeing $100 billion sent over to Ukraine while our border is being flooded open.

00:31:21.000 So we're done with it. So I very much, you know, I've told so many people, you know, tweeted it.

00:31:27.000 Hey, Ron DeSantis, everyone, please, you guys don't know what you're dealing with here.

00:31:32.000 If you're going to be attacking Trump while he's getting indicted by the deep state, people are going to hate you.

00:31:38.000 They're going to hate you. We need everyone unified to help them because We're good to go.

00:32:05.000 100%. Tim Scott, when Mar-a-Lago got raided by the FBI, he said, well, let's just wait to see how the facts play out here.

00:32:12.000 I was like, oh, he's bought.

00:32:13.000 He's an establishment. That's all you need.

00:32:15.000 And everyone knows it. Tens of millions of people, they see and hear that Nikki Haley.

00:32:20.000 Oh, we should accept the results of 2020.

00:32:22.000 Wait, hold on, Nikki. But yeah, going back to the dinner with your dad, I was honored and thankful that I was invited to go with him to the Iowa rally.

00:32:31.000 They got shut down because of the Tornado warnings, which is crazy to me that people would give him any grief for that.

00:32:37.000 Do you realize that a tornado warning means that it could happen in like 10 seconds?

00:32:43.000 A tornado can come and kill dozens of people crowded in a field.

00:32:47.000 So that was crazy. But yeah, he ended up bringing us back to Mar-a-Lago and he was so generous, so nice.

00:32:53.000 And it was 30 people.

00:32:56.000 And then we ended up having lunch and dinner.

00:32:59.000 And I will say, I'm, you know, 37.

00:33:02.000 I work out two to three times a week.

00:33:05.000 I eat my vegetables. Your dad has twice as much energy in his 70s than I have right now.

00:33:12.000 He is so sharp and motivated and likable.

00:33:18.000 You know, the contrast, seeing how he interacts with people compared to some of these other candidates is just night and day.

00:33:25.000 And he's comfortable and he's very confident With the controls of government.

00:33:31.000 He knows how everything works. He knows who all the players are.

00:33:35.000 And he's a man of the people.

00:33:38.000 Why am I getting by this stuff?

00:33:40.000 I'm out there just trying to talk the truth, but that's the type of people he surrounds himself with.

00:33:46.000 True MAGA firebrands.

00:33:49.000 And it just goes to show that he's still the number one guy by a mile for 2024.

00:33:56.000 So you got involved in sort of 16.

00:33:58.000 What was the initial thing that sparked that interest?

00:34:02.000 What was the, hey, I'm going to get involved.

00:34:04.000 I'm going to get in the game.

00:34:05.000 I'm going to put myself out there.

00:34:06.000 I'm going to walk away from the Hollywood corporate job to do this.

00:34:11.000 Yeah. So I saw a speech of his in August 2015 on YouTube, and I had chills.

00:34:21.000 I had like a vibration in my chest.

00:34:24.000 I was like, This guy gets it. 0.99

00:34:26.000 You know, everyone's always like Donald Trump, but I was like, holy crap.

00:34:30.000 And I got a MAGA hat, checked the records, August 2015. 0.89

00:34:33.000 I've been on board ever since.

00:34:34.000 It was a camo one with the orange.

00:34:37.000 And that's what made me support him.

00:34:42.000 Once he won, I was like, I gotta support this guy.

00:34:47.000 I've seen even Fox News go after him.

00:34:50.000 Never mind CNN, MSNBC. And I realized, all right, this is an outsider.

00:34:55.000 This is someone they're going to have guns blazing going against.

00:34:57.000 He needs every ounce of support possible.

00:35:00.000 And I literally just remember looking at memes.

00:35:03.000 And I'd always get attacked on Facebook for saying, hey, congrats to President Trump, whatever.

00:35:08.000 And I was like, I need an outlet somehow.

00:35:10.000 And I go, I like these memes, political memes.

00:35:14.000 I think I can do it better.

00:35:15.000 And I'm very anti-corruption.

00:35:17.000 So I called it DC Drano, started the next day.

00:35:20.000 I got 200 followers in the first day, and I go, I'm on to something.

00:35:24.000 I went home to my girlfriend at the time.

00:35:26.000 I was jumping up and down. I was like, I think I'm on to something here.

00:35:29.000 I think this is going to be big.

00:35:30.000 And she's actually a Democrat, like, actress, and she hated it. 0.98

00:35:34.000 But she ended up blocking me, even though we lived together.

00:35:37.000 And it was tough.

00:35:39.000 You know, listen, I get it.

00:35:40.000 When you're first getting attacked from friends and family, a lot of people did not want me to do this.

00:35:48.000 I'll be honest. I think God is calling a lot of people to stand in the breach right now.

00:35:53.000 I think people like you, like Candace Owens, like Matt Gaetz, like Anna Paulina, like Byron Donald, like Carrie Lake, I think God is calling up A lot of people to be warriors for goodness.

00:36:07.000 The pen is mightier than the sword.

00:36:09.000 We can do this with free speech.

00:36:12.000 But I do believe that's what I think we're in a biblical time of taking on the most powerful evil force that's ever inhabited this earth.

00:36:20.000 And it's not going to be quick.

00:36:22.000 It's not going to be easy. But I do believe if we wake up enough people, we can stop this from destroying the entire planet because they do want A lot fewer people on this planet.

00:36:34.000 They're pretty open about that.

00:36:36.000 Yeah, no, it's amazing.

00:36:37.000 I mean, it's the kind of thing that, you know, if you would have said it even five, six years ago, you'd be like, okay, that's hyperbole.

00:36:41.000 And yet, literally every single decision, every move that they make, every policy they want to put, it's like, I can't even come to another conclusion at this point.

00:36:51.000 And like you, you know, I understand.

00:36:52.000 I mean, I remember, you know, when I used to be a real estate developer from Manhattan, you know, it was different.

00:36:59.000 But, you know, whatever switched in the other side as well.

00:37:03.000 And, you know, That rational, reasonable discourse doesn't seem to exist in the party.

00:37:08.000 And I'm not saying there's not sort of moderate Democrats out there anymore, but I don't think they have any representation because you have to be this radical.

00:37:17.000 I mean, in these races that we're talking about, the Senate races, the House, we're outspent usually by at least five to one.

00:37:25.000 Right? We don't have the help of the mainstream media.

00:37:28.000 We don't have the help of big tech.

00:37:30.000 We don't have the help of big social.

00:37:32.000 You know, when you think about how close some of these races are with, you know, five, ten to one deficits in spending, the artificial boosting that, you know, we understand how much can be, as well as the, you know, artificial subversion, you know, by big tech and big social of other ideas or the corollary or bad news thing, you know, Hunter Biden laptop.

00:37:52.000 I mean, The fact that these things are even close tells me that perhaps for the first time ever, you know, conservatives are actually, you know, we're winning the culture war in a sense, but we're up against, you know, like you said, you know, biblical or in this case demonic sort of forces that we have to overwhelm, you know, at all costs.

00:38:14.000 They are trying to abort the kids.

00:38:18.000 If they can't do that, they celebrate their abortions.

00:38:22.000 It went from safe and rare to do TikTok videos about your abortion. 0.75

00:38:28.000 I mean, it's crazy. If they don't abort them, there's no baby formula.

00:38:33.000 If they survive that, then they want to mutilate them.

00:38:36.000 And if they survive that, they still want to rip them away from their parents and turn them into Marxist foot soldiers. 0.72

00:38:42.000 I mean, they hate everything good.

00:38:45.000 They celebrate They celebrate obesity. 0.96

00:38:47.000 They celebrate violent criminals.

00:38:49.000 It is the complete opposite of God's voice, God's message.

00:38:56.000 And you can only deduce one logical conclusion from this.

00:39:00.000 They're fighting for evil. And I tend to, you know, and this might surprise people.

00:39:06.000 My enemy is not the purple-haired, brainwashed person.

00:39:11.000 I pray for them.

00:39:13.000 My enemy are the very powerful people at the top, psychologically manipulating them and setting up these incentive systems and punishing the good people.

00:39:24.000 And it's people on both sides.

00:39:26.000 It's not just Democrats.

00:39:28.000 There's a lot of Republicans, too.

00:39:30.000 The Republicans are often worse because you assume that they have our best interests at heart.

00:39:35.000 We've seen a lot of that as of late from the big mainstream media.

00:39:40.000 What Fox did to Tucker, for example, cutting off a voice That did actually speak truth to power, not just to the Democrats, but also to the Republicans.

00:39:49.000 And then you see the Republican response to that.

00:39:53.000 Like, off the record, to Politico, we're thrilled that Tucker Carlson's no longer there because now we can go and support the war in Ukraine without...

00:40:00.000 Repercussions. I'm like, wait a minute.

00:40:01.000 So, like, you were elected to D.C. by a constituency that does not want the war. 0.68

00:40:07.000 And Mitch McConnell can tell you until he's blue in the face that it's the most important thing for Republicans.

00:40:11.000 I've been all over the country.

00:40:13.000 Like, I don't know any Republican who thinks the Ukraine war and our continued and perpetual funding of it is the number one issue.

00:40:20.000 Now, they're worried about the potential escalation to World War III, but...

00:40:24.000 But the Republican rhino, let's call it uniparty approach to what's going on there with the blank check, that is not something anyone thinks is a priority or should be a priority in the Republican Party. 0.98

00:40:35.000 But they're thrilled that one of their biggest voices is unilaterally dismissed because it allows them to do the opposite of what they were elected to do, which is some scary shit. 0.98

00:40:47.000 It's very scary. 0.98

00:40:49.000 And, you know, our veterans...

00:40:52.000 Who have seen actual war are probably the most nervous about this because they're the ones that would have to fight it and they know the true cost of this stuff.

00:41:02.000 But, I mean, think about this.

00:41:04.000 It goes beyond Tucker.

00:41:06.000 Well, A, it's no coincidence that two weeks after, a month after Tucker's gone, now we're sending F-16s to Ukraine after Bakhmut was just lost.

00:41:16.000 I mean, it's getting very scary out there, but they got rid of Tucker.

00:41:20.000 They got rid of Dan Bongino.

00:41:22.000 They got rid of Laura Trump.

00:41:24.000 They got rid of Lou Dobbs.

00:41:27.000 They, you know, I don't know if this is directly connected, but James O'Keefe is no longer with Project Veritas.

00:41:34.000 So, you know, these massive voices have been removed from these powerful institutions, and it's an all-out assault.

00:41:41.000 But here's the one thing that really gives me a lot of hope.

00:41:44.000 Think of the station in the program that we're talking on, Rumble.

00:41:48.000 Think of how many people are communicating freely on Truth Social and even Twitter to an extent.

00:41:55.000 We are developing these parallel economic opportunities that there are going to be billionaires made from this.

00:42:03.000 That when these market brands go fully woke, it allows an opportunity for a replacement to fill in the void.

00:42:13.000 And with our social media, with our media companies Rumble and your podcasts and others, It is creating an unstoppable ecosystem that over the next five to ten years is going to be massive.

00:42:28.000 It's sort of like the election stuff and sort of like everything in America, right?

00:42:31.000 They can cancel one guy when it's Donald Trump going out by himself.

00:42:35.000 You know, 165 million Americans, 175 million Americans, maybe win over some independents, you know, 50% of the electorate, like, It becomes a lot harder all of a sudden.

00:42:45.000 And so, you know, that whole notion of just sort of becoming unafraid, I think, is so critical.

00:42:49.000 And so I agree.

00:42:51.000 Once that happens, you're going to force these people to actually change because I don't know that they can continue their business.

00:42:58.000 When I look at, you know, Target and the...

00:43:00.000 I mean, there's no other word for it other than grooming at this point.

00:43:04.000 You look at the big pharmacies and they're, you know, they're going to have the dildos right next to the children's toys because they're all toys, I guess.

00:43:11.000 So we're just going to... I mean...

00:43:13.000 What is going on that they feel that they can get away with that and they can do that?

00:43:17.000 And so, you know, I agree.

00:43:18.000 Listen, I think Public Square is really on to something.

00:43:21.000 Finding those, we talk about it on this show with all our sponsors, find those that are aligned with your interests, support them.

00:43:27.000 Like, there's so much more at stake than just that business, but especially as we get now into, you know, crazy times, you see the economy, you see the banks collapsing, you see the, like, you know, if we're going to help someone, help those that share your values.

00:43:40.000 It's such an important aspect of it.

00:43:43.000 People are transforming.

00:43:46.000 I see the metamorphosis in conservatives, and I see it in young people, too.

00:43:52.000 People just fresh out of high school, whatever.

00:43:54.000 They understand that the government is corrupt.

00:43:57.000 You know, when I was in high school in the early 2000s, I honestly didn't know the difference between a Democrat and a Republican.

00:44:03.000 Politics wasn't a big deal.

00:44:04.000 I knew about the Iraq War.

00:44:06.000 I just wanted to be a cop. I talked with I'll come across at conferences, whatever, young people who know the full kind of down low on how corrupt everything is on the elections, on the Ukraine war, everything. Once you're awake, you don't go back to sleep in terms of what is actually going on in this country.

00:44:29.000 And we are eventually going to hit a critical mass of people.

00:44:32.000 How many people were woken up during COVID with the lockdown?

00:44:35.000 Hey, I used to be a Democrat, but I'm not.

00:44:38.000 This is getting out of hand.

00:44:40.000 And not only are millions of people waking up who are never going to go back to sleep in that sense, but we are creating, like I said, multi-billion dollar economic opportunities for everything we don't like.

00:44:55.000 We are now moving our people.

00:44:57.000 They're being smarter about how they spend their money and supporting other companies.

00:45:02.000 Look at what happened with Vice, with CNN with BuzzFeed.

00:45:07.000 They're all Slate Gawker.

00:45:09.000 They're all tanking.

00:45:11.000 Meanwhile, even with the censorship, people like you and other independent journalists are becoming massive.

00:45:17.000 I mean, you have more influence than than Joe Biden in terms of actual real organic followers.

00:45:23.000 And, you know, there's a lot of other names that are that are, you know, somewhat in that realm.

00:45:28.000 And that's a powerful force.

00:45:31.000 Yeah, no, 100%.

00:45:32.000 I'm heavily invested in even that, in Public Square and all of that, because I believe in that movement, and it's so critical.

00:45:41.000 Watching what happened with Vice and BuzzFeed, it's actually sort of amazing.

00:45:45.000 I have a little personal show and fraud story.

00:45:48.000 I love what happened to BuzzFeed because they went so crazy, but I remember it was about...

00:45:52.000 Probably about two years ago, maybe a little bit more, you know, BuzzFeed, they call my office.

00:45:58.000 We have credible source that says that you were on Epstein's plane, you know, going to some event that apparently...

00:46:06.000 And I'm like, well, I wasn't.

00:46:08.000 I've never even met the guy.

00:46:10.000 I have no idea. Like...

00:46:11.000 But the guy was so...

00:46:12.000 I was like, please show me.

00:46:15.000 No, we have a credible source, so we're going to publish it.

00:46:17.000 Unless you have three hours to let us know otherwise.

00:46:20.000 And it was interesting. It was some event.

00:46:21.000 A buddy who's a developer of mine was going.

00:46:23.000 And I actually remembered the event because one of the guys that put it on was my good friend.

00:46:28.000 And I actually remember I did fly down with a friend of mine.

00:46:31.000 And luckily, this was from...

00:46:34.000 Oh six or something like that like it was like 14 years ago, so it's like how do you have records?

00:46:39.000 Luckily my buddy who I actually flew down with he was like his pilot kept like meticulous records and I showed it to him and they're like It wasn't like they were trying to do—it was like I ripped the guy's heart out.

00:46:51.000 All he wanted to do was come up with a way to link me to Epstein.

00:46:54.000 I go, like, strangely, why didn't you spend this much time on Bill Clinton?

00:46:59.000 Why don't you spend any time on, you know, Bill Gates?

00:47:02.000 I mean, these are people that have been credibly linked in much more than just they happen to be, you know— On a similar island at the same time, but you went so far out of your way, and you're so upset that it ends up being nonsense, and yet I've seen no reporting about the people who had intimate, personal, long-term relationships who are visiting this island, and yet the only thing you wanted to do was try to tie me to it, and you have no interest on the people who are actually doing these things.

00:47:31.000 It's the easiest debunking to do in today's digital age.

00:47:36.000 When people try and tie you or your father to Epstein, it's like, listen, if they were on that list, the client list, we would have known.

00:47:45.000 That list would have been public 10 years ago.

00:47:48.000 No, the list would be 100% redacted other than Donald Trump's name, right?

00:47:54.000 LeJane Maxwell is doing 25 years, Rogan, for apparently trafficking people to nobody.

00:48:00.000 It's actually amazing.

00:48:02.000 Nobody. It's amazing that she can go to jail for 25 years, but the people that actually took part in the exploitation of these children, the people who actually committed those acts and did those deeds that she's serving 25 years for, nothing can happen.

00:48:17.000 I mean, it's almost...

00:48:19.000 I always say, every day I think about these things and I'm like, I have to be a participant in the Truman Show.

00:48:26.000 I must be being punked because there's no way that this can be real.

00:48:31.000 And there's no way that unless they're all on the list that no one else would want to know You know, who's there?

00:48:38.000 And yet there's no interest in the media.

00:48:40.000 There's no interest in this.

00:48:41.000 They try to talk to, you know, Trump.

00:48:43.000 Why? Because he was a successful guy from New York.

00:48:45.000 They don't talk about him throwing him out of Mar-a-Lago because there were rumors.

00:48:50.000 Like, based on rumors, they threw him out of the club.

00:48:52.000 Like, and, you know, Bill Clinton and the media people and all the other celebrities and the Democrat donors and the rich and powerful.

00:49:02.000 Well, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:49:03.000 That's different. That's fine. Yeah, it's...

00:49:07.000 We have a two-tiered justice system.

00:49:10.000 And what I've seen is not only have they weaponized it to go after conservatives on pure BS. We saw Eugene Carroll.

00:49:18.000 They literally changed the law just to go after your dad for a lawsuit.

00:49:22.000 The New York indictment is a scam.

00:49:24.000 We're probably, unfortunately, going to get hit by Georgia and, you know, document hoax and whatever.

00:49:31.000 Meanwhile, What they're also doing is trying to criminalize self-defense.

00:49:37.000 We're seeing with these Soros-funded DAs, with Daniel Penny in New York City.

00:49:42.000 I just saw in a county outside Memphis, which has a liberal DA, even though it's Tennessee, they're charging a guy with reckless endangerment who fired back at people that fired at him after trying to steal his car, right? And they're saying, well, because the guy was saying he had his eyes closed a little bit while he was shooting because, you know, hey, it's kind of a live fire.

00:50:07.000 Who doesn't blink a little bit?

00:50:08.000 And they go, oh, that's reckless endangerment.

00:50:10.000 You weren't shooting accurately.

00:50:11.000 I mean, it's crazy that people can't even defend their own lives or the lives of others.

00:50:20.000 But this is what Marxism wants to accomplish.

00:50:23.000 They weaponize it against their political enemies, which are the powerful leaders like you and your

00:50:28.000 family and the regular folks who are trying to preserve their life, liberty, and property against

00:50:33.000 criminals because they want a submissive, docile populace that they can take over with their

00:50:40.000 corruption, their Marxism. Yeah, well that's why the Daniel Penny thing, I keep trying to put it

00:50:46.000 out there, the GoFundMe, like we need to get...

00:50:48.000 And this isn't just for Daniel Penny.

00:50:50.000 Like, I think he's totally innocent.

00:50:52.000 I think it's absolutely insane what they're doing to him.

00:50:54.000 I think he's a good Samaritan.

00:50:56.000 Like, it's not even a question, but...

00:50:59.000 If anyone doesn't see beyond this, this is an active attempt.

00:51:04.000 One day you, your loved one, someone will either be in this position to be a potential victim or to be the potential good Samaritan to get one of your loved ones in or out of these situations, whatever it may be, right?

00:51:19.000 This is an attempt to make sure that person is on the sidelines, whether it's that, the attack on the Second Amendment, all the things they're doing there, the pistol bracelet.

00:51:27.000 They want to make sure the only person that isn't going to get charged for defending themselves or someone around them is the person that dies doing so.

00:51:37.000 You know, that's okay.

00:51:38.000 That's acceptable to the left in these days.

00:51:40.000 But that's why the Daniel Penny thing is so important because they're just setting a marker To make sure that anyone else that's ever in that situation be like, man, I could probably defuse that, but man, if shit happens, if sort of the one in a million chance happens, I got to subdue someone and they get hurt, they crack their head, whatever it may be, that person's going to be given the benefit of the doubt.

00:52:03.000 No one believes that what happened to George Floyd should have happened to George Floyd.

00:52:06.000 No one said he should have been murdered, but like, You know, the guy ain't a hero.

00:52:11.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:52:12.000 I was talking about this because, you know, with Michael Brown, right?

00:52:16.000 That was the first, like, hands up, don't shoot.

00:52:18.000 It went spread like wildfire.

00:52:21.000 Daniel Penny... Is kind of the first one where we've been able to, and with the bike lady, we've been able to stop the lie pretty quickly.

00:52:31.000 They can jump on it for a day or two, but we do end up stopping it with social media.

00:52:35.000 With Michael Brown, we didn't have the social media to stop this type of lie and this narrative.

00:52:41.000 And people, I think like 80-something percent of people in a recent poll have a negative view of Black Lives Matter because after they saw Buy Large Mansions, They just saw the money laundering hustle.

00:52:54.000 And defund the police.

00:52:57.000 I can't think of a more racist policy than that.

00:53:01.000 You have to actually talk with people in these impoverished communities, which I have, and they say they want more police.

00:53:07.000 Their kids are getting shot going to school.

00:53:10.000 And then you got these hoity-toity white liberals saying, no, no, no, defund the police. 1.00

00:53:14.000 They're killing black men just for no reason. 1.00

00:53:16.000 It's like such a scam. 0.97

00:53:19.000 You know, we do have, I was really happy to see that Daniel Penny got $2 million, probably.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, it's more, yeah.

00:53:27.000 We need a Perkins Cooey for the right, you know, and hopefully there's some very ambitious lawyer watching this.

00:53:35.000 We need a Perkins Cooey for the right. 1.00

00:53:37.000 People, very highly credentialed, good lawyers who are going to be conservatives and actually defend these people.

00:53:46.000 You will make That's a billionaire opportunity.

00:53:48.000 I'm just putting that out there for someone out there.

00:53:50.000 You know, because a lot of lawyers, a lot of law firms, they get attacked for representing people in the Trump world.

00:53:55.000 Oh yeah. I've dealt with it myself.

00:53:59.000 You know, I understand that I am not the upstanding human being that Hunter Biden is, but when it...

00:54:05.000 You get turned down for legal counsel or banking or insurance or the canceling.

00:54:09.000 We just got to hit back in equal force.

00:54:15.000 Rogan, if you're to break it down, because you have all these machinations, all these people trying to bastardize it, try to make it whatever it is that they want for the establishment party, and or just trying to vilify it, but what would you describe the meaning of America first to be?

00:54:36.000 Vox Populi, what the people truly want, and what the people truly want has become painfully obvious.

00:54:44.000 We don't want to be involved in foreign wars and send our family members over there.

00:54:48.000 My brother fought in Iraq as a paratrooper, and I can't, you know, as damaging as this is for the soldiers, it's very tough on the families, too, and a hundred times tougher for those that get injured or don't make it home.

00:55:01.000 We don't want to do that.

00:55:03.000 We don't want to send our money overseas.

00:55:06.000 Until we don't have potholes on our roads, until we don't have veterans homeless on the street, not a single dollar should be sent overseas. 0.92

00:55:18.000 We want the energy industry, we want energy independence in this country.

00:55:23.000 That's the main reason why our inflation is out of control is because we're suffocating our own energy.

00:55:28.000 We want good to be Celebrated and protected and evil to be destroyed.

00:55:34.000 Not the opposite.

00:55:36.000 We have criminals running the show. 0.94

00:55:37.000 And we want to support family units and support these kids while they're in the womb, as they're growing up, with good schools, good communities.

00:55:48.000 We don't want to poison their brains and mutilate them and sterilize them.

00:55:53.000 And we want free and fair elections and free speech. 0.88

00:55:57.000 It's pretty simple.

00:55:58.000 Things have gotten so radical that even just the most basic ways to run a country are called extreme.

00:56:06.000 So that's what America First is.

00:56:07.000 And unfortunately, a lot of Republicans miss out on three to four of those principles pretty regularly.

00:56:15.000 Yeah, without question.

00:56:16.000 You know, and again, every day there's more and more stuff out there that should give us pause.

00:56:22.000 Every day another conspiracy theory proves to be right.

00:56:24.000 You know, and again, for me even, you know, we talk about, you know, the FBI and the...

00:56:29.000 I mean, when I was a subject of Russia, Russia, Russia, I was like, well, there's got to be something to it.

00:56:34.000 Maybe, I don't know, maybe I took a selfie with someone who was part of this Russia, Russia, Russia thing. 0.76

00:56:39.000 I didn't even know it because it's the FBI, right?

00:56:41.000 They... They got to be doing something right.

00:56:44.000 These are patriotic people.

00:56:45.000 The CIA, they're looking for our best interests.

00:56:48.000 It's hard to believe how wrong that was.

00:56:52.000 We recently saw the FBI whistleblowers testify before Congress.

00:56:57.000 One FBI whistleblower testified under oath that the FBI won't allow 11,000 hours of January 6 footage.

00:57:08.000 To be released because it would expose undercover agents actually committing crimes inside the Capitol.

00:57:15.000 Like, I mean, 11,000 hours?

00:57:17.000 Does anyone understand how much time that is?

00:57:21.000 What's your view on what we're not being told about J6? I mean, the Tucker stuff was great, and it exposed so many lies.

00:57:28.000 The fact that it took two years to get exculpatory evidence to these people who did nothing, the fact that there's no due process happening should enrage us all.

00:57:38.000 What else aren't we being told?

00:57:40.000 You know what I think?

00:57:42.000 I think they got to Tucker after the first night.

00:57:46.000 We saw all guns blazing.

00:57:48.000 Chuck Schumer, even Mitch McConnell, both sides saying, Rupert Murdoch, shut this down.

00:57:55.000 And I believe I'm a huge fan of Tucker, and he is not on him to do all the heavy lifting in our country, for sure.

00:58:03.000 I believe that it had an impact on his reporting because the first night, you had actual huge revelations, went massively viral, proved and confirmed what almost all of us knew, that J6 was a Fed setup, okay?

00:58:19.000 I was there on January 6th.

00:58:21.000 I was on the list with, you know, you and Kayleigh McEnany and like 30 other people when they first did their big announcement, the January 6th committee, and they were like, we want every record on Rogan O'Hanley from the FBI, the NSA. And I'm like, what the hell did I do?

00:58:36.000 I didn't go in the Capitol. I was supposed to speak.

00:58:40.000 And that's the thing.

00:58:41.000 I was listed as a speaker on the parks application, whatever.

00:58:46.000 And I was there.

00:58:48.000 I wasn't inside.

00:58:49.000 I didn't see a single ounce of violence.

00:58:52.000 99% of the people there were peaceful.

00:58:55.000 And then I get home and I saw that people were inside.

00:58:59.000 They were You know fighting the cops or whatever and I'm like what the hell is going on?

00:59:04.000 I've been to 50 different MAGA rallies.

00:59:07.000 I've never seen something like this and I immediately said Antifa was involved in this and three letter agencies were involved in this because I've literally studied this stuff overseas.

00:59:17.000 I did a study abroad in Egypt studying civil liberties and a dictatorship and what they do.

00:59:23.000 How does this guy keep winning 90%?

00:59:24.000 They infiltrate with federal agents and cause fights and We're good to go.

00:59:49.000 Because it shows, like you said, their crimes.

00:59:52.000 How is it trespassing for, you know, MAGA grandma walking through the Capitol, but not trespassing for a federal agent?

00:59:59.000 You know, like certain people won't say their name that, you know, we got to go into the Capitol, blah, blah, blah.

01:00:05.000 And then those guys don't get arrested.

01:00:07.000 Well, not only do they, by the way, not only do they not get arrested, because you're talking.

01:00:11.000 I imagine you're talking about Ray Epps, but not only do they not get arrested, but they have like the Clinton and Democrat Party legal team helping them out.

01:00:20.000 You know, there's great, you know, MAGA patriots.

01:00:23.000 It's the only person, you know, you or I couldn't get representation from these firms, let alone from the individuals involved.

01:00:28.000 And yet they're magically representing them in court.

01:00:32.000 You know, that just doesn't happen.

01:00:33.000 And by the way, if you don't believe the other parts are a set up, You know, you would think that it would be a really big deal that someone laid bombs outside the DNC and the RNC. They may not care about the RNC, but they certainly would affect or go after the people that did it at the DNC. And yet, nothing has happened.

01:00:52.000 They're not even looking.

01:00:53.000 We don't hear about it.

01:00:54.000 The great mystery of who tried to kill the entire Democrat Party.

01:00:57.000 It's almost as if it's like, hey, this is the backup plan if the other one doesn't work.

01:01:02.000 And yet they got what they needed to weaponize the other one.

01:01:07.000 Can just magically disappear.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, they haven't after two years where you can see video footage of this individual on their phone.

01:01:16.000 How do they not have the geo-tracking for that?

01:01:18.000 But you know what someone said to me that made total sense?

01:01:20.000 So A, not only did that take resources away from the Capitol, which they were undermanned, underfunded, But it also put a lot of what happened that day under the jurisdiction of the FBI instead of just the Capitol Police.

01:01:35.000 And so now that we control the House, which largely controls the Capitol Police, we can't get into those records because they're held by the FBI. And the FBI says, well, national security, blah, blah, blah.

01:01:46.000 Turns out the national security is protecting their informants and their undercover agents in the 11,000 hours of video.

01:01:52.000 So it's another conspiracy theory proven true.

01:01:57.000 um and the ultimate one that will be proven true at some point is that joe biden got the most votes in american history that is the craziest conspiracy yeah like a three-year-old could tell you that one but uh you know but no he is the he's the most popular president in the history of uh the world joe rogan's unreal like it's it's ridiculous that So this is one, you recently had a little bit of an ominous tweet about what you think the establishment's going to do to meddle in the kind of the 24 election.

01:02:32.000 You wrote, my biggest worry is what scheme the system will use in 2024.

01:02:37.000 And you brought up the idea of more war and conflict.

01:02:42.000 You know, what are you seeing out there, you know, that leads you to believe that we're getting closer to World War III, other than, you know, finding out that we have boots on the ground in Ukraine up against, you know...

01:02:52.000 The largest nuclear arsenal by volume of nuclear warhead in the world.

01:02:56.000 Yeah. We're, you know, a handful of miles away from Russia on our Alaska border there, and we're flirting with, you know, sending F-16s against them in a war zone.

01:03:11.000 Crazy, crazy.

01:03:12.000 So, yes, that is my biggest worry, right?

01:03:15.000 So they kind of always have a plan.

01:03:17.000 We saw what happened in 2020 with the mail-in ballots.

01:03:20.000 We saw it happen in Maricopa when they shut down election machines in 58, 59 percent of locations in the most Republican district on election day.

01:03:29.000 They always kind of come up with a new scheme to pull off their heist.

01:03:33.000 I am very worried what they're going to do in 2024 because right now your dad, even with, you know, these indictments, these investigations, His polls are shooting up through the roof.

01:03:46.000 There's an ABC poll that shows him up by 7 over Joe Biden nationally.

01:03:49.000 They didn't have him up once in 2020, right?

01:03:52.000 Things are going too well for him in the polls.

01:03:56.000 So I am worried that they are going to try a new scheme in 2024.

01:04:01.000 I think the options are World War III. Oh, can't go to the polls.

01:04:06.000 We're in a war. You've got to vote from home or something.

01:04:09.000 A cyber attack.

01:04:11.000 A new pandemic.

01:04:14.000 And anytime I mention this, I've heard a few people like, don't forget the aliens.

01:04:18.000 I'm like, all right, we'll throw the aliens in there just in case.

01:04:21.000 On that one, I agree.

01:04:23.000 If I'm an alien and I come down and see Joe Biden's in charge, like this is the guy that you gave all the power to.

01:04:29.000 I'm saying, I want nothing to do with these people. 1.00

01:04:31.000 They're idiots. Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:04:34.000 And, you know, for the fake news watch and listen, I don't think aliens are going to come here.

01:04:37.000 But I am very worried about the first three.

01:04:41.000 Now, here's what I've deduced.

01:04:43.000 I don't think they're going to go with a new pandemic because people are too used to that.

01:04:48.000 They would push back.

01:04:50.000 And we've got a lot of judicial precedent in a lot of swing states that is against voting by mail because of...

01:04:57.000 I think it's going to be World War III or cyber attack.

01:05:00.000 And them sending F-16 is a dialing up of the heat in this war.

01:05:06.000 We still have about a year for them to kind of like hatch their plan.

01:05:10.000 It's still too early to know fully what it is.

01:05:12.000 What I just saw today, that they've now started distributing satellite phones to U.S. Senators.

01:05:18.000 It was an ABC News article, in case of emergency communication shutdown, where they have to communicate.

01:05:24.000 I'm like, oh, here we go. Here we go again.

01:05:28.000 We can't have Election Day because everything got shut down.

01:05:32.000 Let's wait. We'll do it.

01:05:34.000 I don't know what their scheme is, but I know they got something.

01:05:37.000 They're not gonna hand power back without the biggest fight they've ever had and they will steal it right in front of our faces.

01:05:43.000 So my request of everyone watching this is stay attuned to this potential plan that they're doing and let's hopefully stop it before they can Yeah.

01:05:58.000 No, yeah, there's no question.

01:06:00.000 What do you think it's going to be?

01:06:14.000 There's so many more sheep in our country than I thought. 0.99

01:06:17.000 I actually figured there'd be a lot more resistance to some of this stuff, which I think accelerated some of the radical ideas because they understand that they can manipulate people so easily.

01:06:27.000 So that's a little bit scary.

01:06:29.000 But yes, it feels like, you know, I can't think of a reasonable end to this war otherwise.

01:06:34.000 So they got to keep it going for as long as possible.

01:06:36.000 It's there to enrich the military-industrial complex.

01:06:39.000 It's become the new religion of the left, so they can use that to generate the sort of hype that they need.

01:06:46.000 You know, it's replaced, you know, COVID and Fauci, you know, as Lord and Savior or religion and Lord with new religion and Lord, which is, you know, Ukraine and Zelensky.

01:06:57.000 That replaced, you know, Thunberg and climate change a little while ago.

01:07:02.000 And maybe we'll see the re-emergence of climate change as the, you know, the religion of the left again.

01:07:07.000 But, you know, I don't know.

01:07:08.000 I don't know. You know, I've seen the scandals, and I know there'll be some of them, but when you look at the scandals, you know, like Russiagate, all based on a lie, used as a soft coup against the sitting president of the United States, In your opinion, how does a functioning democracy even recover from something like this?

01:07:27.000 Because we know it's out there now, and it got exactly like zero mainstream media coverage.

01:07:33.000 The people that screamed, democracy, democracy, the loudest for the last seven years are like, it's fine.

01:07:40.000 It's not a big deal. Let's pretend like this didn't happen.

01:07:43.000 It doesn't really matter.

01:07:45.000 How do you recover?

01:07:48.000 You need a reckoning.

01:07:51.000 We have irrefutable proof that the FBI and the CIA teamed up with the Democrat Party to spy on a sitting U.S. president.

01:08:00.000 They were unsuccessful in their, you know, quote-unquote, overthrow.

01:08:04.000 He got rid of James Comey.

01:08:06.000 He survived the Mueller investigation, whatever.

01:08:08.000 But it was an attempted overthrow.

01:08:12.000 And we used to have a word for that.

01:08:14.000 I believe it's called treason.

01:08:16.000 And they, you know, and now we find out they didn't investigate voting fraud in 2020 at all.

01:08:24.000 And they shut down the Hunter Biden laptop release, which is interference that would have changed potentially 15% of people's votes.

01:08:34.000 So it is irrefutable that our FBI and our intelligence agencies, most of them, are irredeemably corrupt.

01:08:43.000 What do we do? Do we turn a blind eye and say, oh, I guess that's just what happens.

01:08:48.000 Politics is politics. Or do we send in a wrecking ball supported by the people with control of the House and the Senate and reform these agencies? 0.89

01:08:57.000 I personally would like to see some of them just completely destroyed.

01:09:02.000 I think they're irrelevant. Why do we have an ATF if we have the FBI? It's like, why do we have a DEA if we have the FBI? But we need to absolutely reform these agencies with In a historic way, in ways that have never been done before, and I don't know quite what that entails, but if we don't, it is a cancer on our country that is going to kill the patient.

01:09:29.000 We have to remove this cancer.

01:09:32.000 Listen, man, I agree with you 100%.

01:09:35.000 You know, I happen to be pretty close with the one guy I think that will actually do that, right?

01:09:39.000 That's, and again, that's the big difference is who's the guy that will actually do that.

01:09:43.000 If I believe there were others in the bench that would, you know, I'd even be happy to step out of this because, you know, again, it was a lot easier being a real estate developer, but There's one guy that can do that, and then there's a bunch of people working for the establishment.

01:09:58.000 Maybe the last question I'd have for you as we're talking about that, you know, again, there were times I thought we had perhaps a deeper bench than we actually have, you know, for the future of the movement, for the future of, you know, I'll say conservatism, not necessarily Republican, because I think that's been bastardized, but for the future of America First.

01:10:15.000 Then we saw the waffling, whether it was on Ukraine, whether it was on the significance of the deep state meddling this way.

01:10:23.000 And that scared me a lot.

01:10:25.000 In the last few weeks, we've seen all these other sort of random, more establishment-type people get into the presidential race.

01:10:32.000 The governor of North Dakota is looking at...

01:10:35.000 I campaigned for the guy.

01:10:37.000 I couldn't remember his name. It's like, what does that say about the rest of the banks that these guys sort of see there's an opening in there?

01:10:43.000 Because I don't think it's a... Me personally, I don't think it's a shot at like, well, this is the opening to take out Trump.

01:10:49.000 I think they see an opening in the rest of the ranks playing for number two.

01:10:53.000 What are your thoughts? I think that's a good point.

01:10:58.000 I've got two main theories.

01:11:01.000 One, anyone running against President Trump right now is almost certainly a puppet of the establishment.

01:11:09.000 In some cases, it's completely proven.

01:11:12.000 And that is quite disheartening.

01:11:14.000 And to your point, it doesn't give people a lot of hope in the future in terms of our bench, quote unquote.

01:11:22.000 However, I would say this.

01:11:24.000 Our bench may look a little bit empty right now because the people we would actually support who are true MAGA are not going to compete against President Trump in the primary.

01:11:34.000 They understand that they're going to support him and unify the GOP. We don't want a bloody primary that weakens President Trump that takes hundreds of millions of dollars and divides.

01:11:46.000 They want that, right?

01:11:48.000 Divide and conquer is the number one strategy.

01:11:50.000 And I think they're pushing Governor DeSantis to run.

01:11:54.000 I don't think he necessarily would have if it was just his decision, but I think they're pushing him to do it because it not only will weaken President Trump, but it should also very strongly weaken Governor DeSantis For the future.

01:12:07.000 And so that's kind of like two MAGA guys taken out all at once.

01:12:10.000 That's a theory. But I think our best leaders are rightfully sitting on the bench this term.

01:12:18.000 And the next election cycle, we're going to see hopefully some big names run.

01:12:23.000 I would love to see you run one day.

01:12:26.000 I'm voting for you.

01:12:27.000 I'm going to support you.

01:12:28.000 I'll be your campaign manager.

01:12:32.000 Well, you know, at a certain point, some of us are just going to have to say, all right, if we don't have good guys, we're going to have to do it ourselves.

01:12:40.000 But I know we've got some good guys.

01:12:42.000 Matt Gates, Byron Donalds, Carrie Lake, just beginning for her.

01:12:46.000 So I know we've got some good fighters for the future, and they're just staying quiet right now, as they should, to help unify the GOP. I agree with you a lot, Ben, and I really appreciate it, Rogan.

01:12:57.000 Thanks so much, guys. Go check out DC Drano on every social platform.

01:13:02.000 Do you have anything else out there that maybe they're not aware of, Rogan?

01:13:05.000 No, that's it.

01:13:07.000 Back on Twitter after Elon brought me back after two years, so thankful to be there.

01:13:12.000 But listen, we got a country to save, so let's do this, people.

01:13:15.000 Let's do it, man. Thanks so much.

01:13:17.000 Guys, go check them out.

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