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00:04:07.000And with that, guys, joining me now, the author of D-Trans, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult, Daily Signal reporter, Mary Margaret Olahan.
00:04:24.000Your new book's sort of an interesting one.
00:04:25.000I talk about it sort of on the show a lot, but usually in like just snippets of insanity, right?
00:04:30.000You see the stories and you're like, I use the analogy, I feel like I'm the star of the Truman Show some days, like this can't possibly be actually happening in like the real world.
00:04:42.000But your book goes so much further and it chronicles the stories of detransitioners, people who did it, realized it was,
00:04:53.000Why did you decide to write that book, and what did you find?
00:04:57.000Well, I decided to write this book because as a reporter, and I would say as a conservative reporter, I view my job as filling the void that establishment media leaves.
00:05:07.000We know that establishment media doesn't cover so many important stories, whether it's about campaigns,
00:05:14.000For a long time, I've been trying to report stories and just put the truth out there so that American people have all the facts.
00:05:34.000And that was the same thing with this project.
00:05:36.000I was reporting a lot on gender issues, and I started seeing all these stories of detransitioners popping up.
00:05:41.000And of course, when the mainstream or establishment media reports on them, they'll say weird things like,
00:05:50.000You know, they'll call the transition procedures gender-affirming care, which is a euphemism designed to sound like it's loving and caring, when in reality it's surgeries, puberty blockers, and hormones, even when we're talking about kids.
00:06:05.000So I saw this coverage and I thought, I want to tell the stories of the detransitioners
00:06:19.000And I don't agree with that because we already know most Americans don't agree with transgender surgeries for kids.
00:06:26.000They don't want men in women's spaces.
00:06:28.000The establishment media would have you believe that they do.
00:06:31.000Yeah, no, I've found that and I've said it and even gotten myself in trouble because I'm like, hey man, if you're 30 and you want to do it, I don't care.
00:07:07.000I would say it's partially because we've seen real attempts from far-left ideologues and progressives to honestly steal the innocence of our children, whether that's in schools with their sex education, the way they talk about sex and gender with kids nowadays, where that should be a topic that is brought up by their parents, first and foremost primary educators, right?
00:07:36.000And you see it coming from the White House, you see it from coming from medical institutions, from corporations, it's just kind of pervasive.
00:07:44.000And again, it's not something that most Americans are on board with.
00:07:47.000And that is pretty scary, too, because we we see all this push for it, when it's not even something that people want.
00:07:55.000If you didn't know any better, you'd think that it was, you know, like a 95% popular issue when it's probably
00:08:02.000A 5% popular issue with the most radical and extreme people somehow having the loudest voice in the room, which I can't quite figure out.
00:08:12.000And the way that the media will talk about it, they'll say, for example, I'll pick a random state, Pennsylvania wants to ban gender-affirming care for kids, or Pennsylvania's trying to pass an anti-trans law.
00:08:24.000And they word it in these weird euphemisms where you would think, oh my gosh, like Pennsylvania's- You're murdering children!
00:08:30.000Yeah, or you might even think like, oh, Pennsylvania doesn't want trans youth to be able to get antibiotics for strep throat or something like that.
00:08:39.000When in reality, these lawmakers don't want kids to undergo irreversible surgeries.
00:08:44.000Because once a girl undergoes a double mastectomy, she can never go back.
00:08:48.000You know, she's never gonna be able to nurse.
00:08:50.000The hormones might have messed up her fertility, they might have messed up the way she looks, the way she sounds, and you would never know this from the way that media and these activists talk about these surgeries.
00:09:01.000It's framed as loving and helpful and care and not irreversible and painful and invasive and sometimes disgusting.
00:09:10.000Yeah, I mean, what is the recidivism rate?
00:09:14.000I don't know, you know, or the detrans rate?
00:09:15.000Because, I mean, recidivism is maybe the wrong word for it.
00:09:33.000So what's interesting about this whole issue is that first of all, detransitioners are really unlikely to go back to their doctors and say, I detransitioned.
00:09:42.000So the statistics that we have are much lower than they should be.
00:09:46.000Because if you think about it, it's kind of like if someone were abused and they went back to their abuser and said, hey, you did this to me, I didn't like it, I'm moving on now.
00:09:56.000It's like that weird- Yeah, it's too uncomfortable to have that conversation.
00:09:59.000You're going to someone else so you don't know.
00:10:02.000And so, you know, when you go through this process and the doctors and therapists tell you, this will make you happier, this is going to improve your mental health.
00:10:09.000And then you come out the other side and realize, oh my gosh, it's impossible for me to actually change my gender.
00:10:29.000So Lisa Littman is a researcher who's done a lot of work on this and she did a study that found that I think only about 24% of detransitioners actually went back and told their doctors that they detransitioned.
00:10:41.000And so because of that, we have a very skewed statistics on who actually goes back and we don't have any kind of detransition process to help them.
00:10:52.000Because the doctors in our medical community right now are too cowardly to actually take a stand and offer their services and help to these poor young people and older people who realize they tried to do something impossible and now they need medical help.
00:11:07.000You know, they have, for example, Chloe Cole, one of the most famous detransitioners, she still has open wounds from her double mastectomy that haven't healed because of the way that it was performed.
00:11:20.000Really invasive procedures in terms of trying to create fake genitals.
00:11:25.000That's very painful and invasive and often just has continuing complications and they need help.
00:11:32.000But unfortunately, they don't have doctors who have been willing to say, okay, I took a note to do no harm.
00:11:38.000I am gonna, you know, make a name for myself here and offer my services to these people.
00:11:43.000Seems very odd that no one has stepped forward, but I guess that's the time that we're living in.
00:11:49.000I mean, I've read numbers, and again, you know more than me that it makes total sense that people would be afraid to go back to the person that convinced them to mutilate themselves.
00:12:00.000But I've read numbers up to like 93% of those maybe don't even detransition, but ultimately regretted doing it in the first place.
00:12:10.000Is there more information on that, or is it sort of still lumped in the same thing?
00:12:13.000Because it does feel there's so much support, and I'll use support in air quotes, pushing people into this situation, but it does not seem like there'd be nearly enough support when people are like, no, that was a huge mistake, I'm sorry.
00:12:27.000Because then you're transphobic or something like that.
00:12:32.000Right, and that is what they're told when they decide to detransition.
00:12:36.000Before, it was all love bombing and it was, you know, all these gender activists and transgender people online would tell the person that was thinking about transitioning, yes, this is the right choice for you, you should do this, you're going to be happier.
00:12:48.000And that's something that comes up a lot, this happy talk, like this will make you happier, when you can't really promise that to someone when you're a doctor, right?
00:12:56.000That's kind of unprofessional to be saying, yes, you will be happier.
00:13:00.000That's part of the reason I use the word cults in my subhead of my book because there are very cult-like qualities about the way all of this is being conducted.
00:13:11.000But when this person, let's say Chloe Cole, realizes, oh my gosh, this was a huge mistake, I need to detransition, I need to go back to living as a girl,
00:13:20.000The transgender community just vilifies you.
00:13:23.000They'll say, you were never part of this, you're a betrayer, you hate us, you want us dead.
00:13:28.000And that language comes up a lot too, this hateful, like, you wish we were dead language.
00:13:34.000Yeah, and I could see you being sort of caught in sort of, you know, let's call it like a DMZ, a no man's land, right?
00:13:40.000You've gone through all this, there's a
00:13:42.000Physical, optical quantity that you may not feel comfortable in either group.
00:13:46.000And I would imagine that's perhaps the, you know, the worst place.
00:14:02.000And yet it doesn't stop them from pushing that, right?
00:14:05.000Yeah, and I think that the whole feel-better mentality too is pushed by people who are relying on feelings rather than facts, right?
00:14:12.000And so there's this need to harness feelings when what we should be talking about is science and biology and what's actually going to help you.
00:14:23.000Like, for example, a young person struggling with their identity, it's usually when they're going through puberty, which
00:14:29.000is a hard time for every single person.
00:14:34.000So a young person going through puberty and struggling and feeling lonely at school, they probably need more attention from their parents, or they need better friends or a solid social group, they need to play some sports, they need to have solid social interactions, those kinds of things are really healthy.
00:14:49.000They don't need to be on their phone in their room all day long, which by the way,
00:14:53.000Every single detransitioner I spoke with was spending too much time on the internet, too much time on social media.
00:14:58.000That's where they were first exposed to all of these dangerous ideas that lured them down this path, ultimately.
00:15:05.000So just for parents, anyone, any parent that's worried about this, it is the phones and social media that is a major culprit in all of these transitions.
00:15:15.000And, you know, as the father of five young kids, you know, that's scary because, you know, you do that.
00:15:21.000They have their phones and this and all their friends are watching.
00:15:23.000And it's, you know, you can see that, you know, whether it's the TikTok sort of Chinese psyop, you know, that that is not something that's flooding the Chinese algorithm of TikTok only in America.
00:15:33.000It actually feels like there's actually, you know, a very much nefarious sort of purpose behind this.
00:15:39.000Like, this didn't just, you know, five years ago we weren't even having these conversations.
00:15:43.000Like, no one even heard of this stuff.
00:15:44.000Ten years ago, you know, when I was in college, I graduated in 2000 in college, like, there were literally zero, I knew zero people.
00:15:51.000You know, I grew up in New York City, I knew plenty of people that were gay, but like, this thing was not a, it was not a thing.
00:15:57.000That it could somehow manifest and be, A, such a big part of a conversation, still an incredibly seemingly small group as it relates to, you know, per capita of society, and yet it does feel like there's an incredible amount of undue influence.
00:16:14.000Like, I feel like the trans mafia is probably, you know, per capita the strongest lobbying group in America.
00:16:27.000You know, it doesn't make any sense that they got that much power as well.
00:16:34.000Yeah, and it is very disturbing when you see the messaging that some of these groups use that's made its way all the way to the Biden White House.
00:16:45.000The way they talk about these issues, like I was saying before, is all euphemisms.
00:16:49.000But when you have messaging coming from the President of the United States saying that gender-affirming care, the trans surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers, is vital to trans youth, so effectively saying if trans youth
00:17:03.000These young people who think they're trans don't get access to this stuff.
00:17:10.000It's all based on- Yeah, I'm sure an 80-year-old, uh, you know, geriatric Catholic is- I'm sure it's really an issue that's him.
00:17:19.000So, you know, where is it then coming from though, right?
00:17:21.000I mean, it is coming from the White House, but like-
00:17:24.000No one believes that Joe Biden thinks that this is actually a real thing.
00:17:27.000Now, he'll say whatever they put in the teleprompter.
00:17:30.000I mean, he's basically Ron Burgundy, right?
00:17:31.000You put it in the prompter, he'll say it.
00:17:33.000But where else is this coming from that it does get to that level where it is coming from the White House, where it is on display at the White House Easter egg roll?
00:17:43.000You know, the people that are bringing decency back to the White House have, you know, trans women showing their, you know,
00:18:01.000It's coming from the Human Rights Campaign, the HRC.
00:18:03.000It's coming from the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union.
00:18:07.000It's coming from GLAAD, which is an acronym that starts with the gay and lesbian, and then I don't even know where it goes because it's such a long acronym.
00:18:14.000But these are some of the top pro-trans groups in the country.
00:18:17.000That for a very long time have been trying to wield their influence in different ways.
00:18:23.000And I remember, you know, I mean, I haven't been writing for too long, but I do remember a point when there were conservative commentators saying, watch out, this is going to come for kids next.
00:19:12.000Planned Parenthood is involved in this as well.
00:19:14.000And it's these very radical, high profile groups that have been working to change our culture and change our politics.
00:19:23.000But thankfully, like I was saying before, Americans aren't on board with this.
00:19:27.000So something that I try and do in my reporting is to show the realities of how radical these things are, because I think it helps people understand the real situation.
00:19:36.000If they know this is radical, they're not going to want to support it.
00:19:39.000But if they're only getting news from organizations
00:19:42.000Funded by these radical groups who are taking their talking points from these radical groups, then they're not going to understand what's actually going on.
00:19:49.000Yeah, and I feel like I see it when I talk about sort of, you know, the men playing in women's sports.
00:19:56.000And, you know, I've been talking about that for years and probably seven, eight years since it became like a thing when they started winning state championships and stealing, you know, proper biological females, you know, their scholarships.
00:20:05.000You know, I've got daughters that are great athletes and I'm like, this is ridiculous.
00:20:10.000You know, five years ago, like, Twitter 1.0, when it was just 95-5, like, ultra-liberal, people, you know, I'd comment on it, and people were like, oh, I hate Don Jr.
00:20:19.000so much, you're such a piece of crap, but I agree with him on this one.
00:20:24.000You know, it's not actually at all popular.
00:20:28.000You know, they still do it, but what's scary now is they're trying to come up with, to your point about, you know, the hormone treatment, that Planned Parenthood, they're trying to figure out ways to carve parents out of it, you know?
00:20:39.000You know, rainbow-haired, you know, kindergarten teacher, you know, can have that kind of influence, but your parents can't.
00:20:46.000You know, I know in Canada, I was just up in Toronto, you know, a week or two ago, and they're literally talking about, like, making it criminal if parents don't acknowledge the pronouns of their kids that, you know, could it be?
00:20:56.000You know, the most impressionable group, the most easily brainwashed, you know, in society, you know, their teacher can do this and the parents are literally at penalty of going to jail for just not acknowledging this nonsense.
00:21:10.000I mean, that's very real and it's happening and it doesn't feel like we're far behind.
00:21:31.000You know, when do parents say enough is enough?
00:21:33.000You know, again, I understand it's not easy to go up against these machines, you know, but like, it shouldn't take a genius to realize that, you know, hey, this is not like a 51, 49% issue, like 90% of politics.
00:21:52.000And if people actually started speaking out about it, you probably end this nonsense once and for all.
00:21:58.000Right, and I think parents need to be empowered with statistics and facts to be able to talk about this, which is part of the reason I wrote the book, because I just wanted to give them stories to talk about.
00:22:07.000But I totally agree with what you're saying about the way parents are being cut out.
00:22:12.000I was in Colorado recently speaking to some parents at a gender summit where they are really under fire out there.
00:22:18.000Colorado and Vermont and California are some of the worst states in the country right now when it comes to gender ideology.
00:22:24.000And these parents came to the summit looking for tips and help, and I was telling them, you are considered the enemy right now.
00:22:30.000Like, you are public enemy number one.
00:22:32.000If your kids are in public school, the idea is to keep you from knowing what they're teaching your kids about.
00:23:41.000Impact our country in really serious ways.
00:23:44.000But I think since COVID, you've really seen parents becoming more tuned into their kids' education, parents more aware of what their kids have been taught, more involved in what's going on.
00:23:55.000And that's a really hopeful sign for our culture.
00:23:57.000I mean, you even saw in Loudoun County that one dad that got arrested when he was pushing back over his daughter getting raped in a high school locker room by a
00:24:06.000Boy that identified as non-binary, I think.
00:24:10.000And you're seeing more and more parents who are willing to take a stand.
00:24:13.000And I think that's so important because obviously it's hard to, it's hard if you're not part of politics to step in, take a stand, make it clear that you're on a certain side.
00:25:22.000And like I said, people see that and it's like, enough.
00:25:24.000I think the teachers' unions probably did themselves the worst favor ever by locking down schools because parents are walking by as their kids are doing online learning and being like, wait, wait.
00:25:35.000You can't read, you can't do math, but you know the 4,000 genders.
00:25:40.000I saw that, you know, I had a, you know, before we moved down to Florida, I had a, you know, a kid in a school and there was a one-hour class a day.
00:25:50.000Some of her older friends, luckily she wasn't in there yet, didn't get there, but we, you know, knew parents in the older classes.
00:25:56.000They pulled their kids from school because there was a one-hour class on the trans nonsense every day.
00:26:33.000And once they did, they were outraged.
00:26:35.000And so they tried to still, even if they knew what was wrong, even if everyone was against it, and this is a school where, you know, an elementary school education was costing like 60 grand a kid, they were still jamming that crap down our throat.
00:26:47.000So it's not just happening in the public schools or...
00:26:49.000You know, so it was scary, but again, still not popular.
00:26:55.000But it takes that personality to be like, hey, maybe I won't be liked at the PTA meeting, but like, you know what?
00:27:00.000My child's welfare, their well-being, their future is like worth it.
00:27:33.000You know, if you can get that in, like, I think literally the number one thing we can do for our children is to get them out of these, you know... Absolutely.
00:27:41.000In many cases, it's private schools, but, or public schools, but, you know, also some of the private schools.
00:27:46.000But, so, Mary, how did you go about researching this book?
00:27:48.000How do you, how do you sort of, you know, go down the rabbit hole in there to get these stories?
00:27:53.000I talked to so many detransitioners for this book, and I had already been interviewing some of them.
00:27:57.000I had been doing a lot of different stories over the past couple of years because I care about this issue a lot, and like I was saying, I couldn't see establishment media doing any real reporting on it.
00:28:08.000Instead, they're highlighting stories about trans youth and, you know, so-called trans youth because I don't actually believe that a young person can truly be transgender.
00:28:18.000I was looking for more stories and I was talking to different people online.
00:28:22.000Some of these detransitioners didn't want to talk to me because I work for conservative news outlets.
00:28:26.000I've worked for Daily Signal, Daily Caller, Daily Wire.
00:28:29.000You know, it's very clear that I'm a conservative reporter.
00:28:33.000If they didn't want to talk to me, I get it.
00:28:36.000But I kept trying and finding other people who would be willing to share their stories with me.
00:28:40.000And I really am grateful to them for that because a lot of these detransitioners are not political.
00:28:46.000They don't really care about Republican or Democrat.
00:28:48.000They're kind of focused on what they've been going through.
00:28:51.000But their only allies thus far have been in conservative media because conservative media is interested in the truth, which is what all media should be interested in.
00:29:01.000Our establishment media has no interest in that.
00:29:05.000They are interested in promoting one certain narrative.
00:29:08.000And so as I would talk to these detransitioners, you know, we would learn more things and I would be, for example, I would ask them, what high school did you go to?
00:29:16.000What was the name of your counselor who told you that you were a boy?
00:29:20.000And I would go look up the school and find the counselor and reach out and call and say, hey, I'm working on a book.
00:29:25.000Can you elaborate on why you told this young person that they were a boy and push them down this path?
00:29:31.000And of course, those types of people would freak out.
00:29:34.000They were terrified that this was coming up.
00:29:36.000But I think it's an important part of the process is to call up those people that did this to these kids and say, this person's life has been traumatically impacted by you.
00:30:13.000And this guy that I called, I believe his name was Browning, I called him up and I said, I would just like to talk about this girl's death because you signed off on her gender transition.
00:30:23.000So tell me, what made you think she was okay to begin her transition?
00:30:28.000And this guy couldn't even remember her.
00:30:33.000It's just, you know, it's just, oh yeah, ho-hum, let's just do this.
00:30:36.000You know, that's like, I'm not for doxing and all of this stuff, but for these people, like, I consider this, you know, murder, attempted murder, if that happens and they push, you know, you jack up a kid on drugs.
00:30:46.000You know, these people, it's got to be clear to everyone that, hey, these are the people that are doing that.
00:30:52.000You know, they have no problem putting pressure on, you know, someone in the Trump administration because, you know, I guess,
00:30:58.000You know, like, these people are destroying lives and they're doing it in such a nonchalant fashion just because it's cool and perhaps they get some social clout with all of it.
00:31:09.000Like, I think you have to make these people, you know, make it known.
00:31:16.000When, you know, 90% of those people do it.
00:31:18.000When you have five suicides under your belt from one school in time,
00:31:23.000You know, I think people have to know and I think, you know, once they're not as comfortable just doing this in such a non-salon fashion, you know, things will change rapidly.
00:31:34.000Totally agree, and I think that now that some of these detransitioners are suing, that's even more monumental because they're represented by Harmony Dillon, who has been so brave on this frontier, and she's representing Chloe Cole, a number of other detransitioners in suing the doctors, therapists, and medical organizations that did this to them.
00:31:53.000And that is huge, you know, just to see... Go after the insurance companies, because once they're done paying for this stuff, because they understand there's an actual consequence to it,
00:32:10.000And just, I think, for those people, the optics of the lawsuits are huge.
00:32:16.000I mean, just knowing that you're being sued and accused of hurting a child, that's massive.
00:32:21.000And that can't totally be ignored, right?
00:32:23.000You can ignore the Daily Signal writing a story about you, like, sure.
00:32:27.000But when there's a lawsuit and that is getting big media attention and it's specifically saying your medical organization's name or the doctor's name and what you did and how you told a little girl that she could actually give informed consent to getting her breasts removed and all of these other factors and the way the little girl hadn't even kissed anyone in her life before and yet you pushed her down this path.
00:32:50.000Those are details that are going to be hard for them as they come out and those are news stories that they don't want to be out there.
00:32:57.000So I think the lawsuits are a massive, huge development and I'm very excited to see how they go.
00:33:06.000In general, calling the people out, I think, is very important and putting their names out there for everyone to see because if they're gonna play God and pretend that they have this much control over a child's life... Let's play!
00:33:19.000Well, so, I mean, you know, get into that a little bit further.
00:33:22.000Like, what are, like, I don't know, medical, you know, ethics or, you know, governing rules surrounding these procedures in the United States?
00:33:30.000I mean, are there any safeguards or is it just sort of haphazard?
00:33:33.000We throw people on hormones and deal with it?
00:33:37.000If you're a minor in some states, they'll have you go through your parents and what will happen is, for example, with Chloe Cole, she went through this process.
00:34:09.000And they think, we're going to talk to the professionals because they'll know what to do.
00:34:13.000So, unfortunately, they go to these medical professionals, such as a counselor, a therapist, or the doctors, and what they are told is, your daughter needs to be affirmed or else she may commit suicide.
00:34:25.000And they'll say, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?
00:34:28.000And I think this is really important to talk about because, obviously, there are very evil people out there, narcissistic parents, who are transing their kids out of a desire to promote themselves.
00:35:41.000And just imagine that, you know, that post-surgery, those moments where she said her mom had to help her wash her wounds and how they both cried and how it was an emotional experience for both of them.
00:35:53.000It just makes me so angry thinking about this poor mother thinking,
00:35:58.000I don't know what to do here, but I'm told this is what's best for my daughter, and I'm gonna help her, and obviously it was a huge mistake.
00:36:05.000And then down the line, the detransitioners, when they realize this was a huge mistake, they have to call up their parents and say, um, you were right.
00:36:42.000Yeah, and I think for the parents, too, it's kind of this realization moment of, I should have gone with my gut, but I didn't.
00:36:48.000And I trusted these medical professionals.
00:36:50.000And that, I think, is very radicalizing, because we already saw during COVID how we can't really trust our leaders and our medical professionals to do what's best for us.
00:37:00.000And that was hard for many people to realize.
00:37:02.000But then when you're getting into medicine and gender ideology and realizing these doctors that I'm supposed to be able to trust with my life
00:39:18.000Yeah, I think Tucker Carlson has said, I'm a huge Tucker fan, but Tucker has said that when you speak the truth, every time you do it, it makes you stronger.
00:39:26.000And that's what I was thinking when you were saying, you know, the more you get canceled now, maybe the bigger you are.
00:39:33.000There's a consequence to being like me.
00:39:37.000I got to a point where I built up a big enough platform, a diverse enough platform.
00:39:42.000But you're a stay-at-home mom and you've got your 15 friends at school.
00:39:49.000You're going to get ostracized by the cool kids for saying what's fact because they posted their black squares and they're incredibly virtuous even if they're literally perhaps the most basic
00:40:01.000You know, full of crap people in the world.
00:40:05.000I've, hey, you know, I've had to deal with a lot of stuff, you know, whether it's lawsuits or them trying to throw me in jail or being canceled.
00:40:12.000Like, I've had to deal with all of that.
00:40:13.000You get through it and it's good, but I understand how, you know, that's not for everyone.
00:40:16.000Not everyone can take that heat all the time.
00:40:19.000No, and I think there's small ways that people can start.
00:40:21.000And that's part of the reason I wrote this book and the way I did.
00:40:27.000And my hope in doing that was so that your average person could read it and think, okay, maybe I'm not Republican, or maybe I don't agree with this law banning so-called gender-affirming care.
00:41:13.000You know, I mean, everyone can take a different role.
00:41:15.000I mean, and you've done a great job with this.
00:41:16.000I mean, you've covered some pretty controversial things.
00:41:20.000You covered, you know, the BLM riots from a conservative standpoint, not, you know, again, it probably didn't take a genius to say that, you know, people looting a Gucci store was probably not
00:41:31.000Actually, in the name of social justice.
00:41:35.000I know that's a stretch, but you did some of the pro-abortion demonstrations after the Dobbs decision.
00:41:42.000Now we see the anti-Israel protests on campus.
00:41:46.000What parallels do you see in all of these sort of left-wing movements on race, gender, abortion, etc.?
00:41:52.000I mean, it does feel like there's sort of an underlying purpose behind all of it, and it's probably not a good one.
00:41:59.000Yeah, I mean, I have covered a lot of protests, and I will say, aside from the BLM protests, which were a whole other animal, and were, I would say, more dangerous and more destructive and just had more cultural impact than the other protests I've been to, the trans protests, abortion protests, Israel protests, you see all the same people at those.
00:42:20.000It's like the same actors that come out.
00:42:22.000Yeah, well, the Palestine ones, when they can't spell Palestine, and they're, like, you hear them, you start questioning, and be like, listen, hey, if I'm gonna go out of my way and protest, I'm gonna have a basic fundamental understanding of why I'm there, but you ask them the... So what does from the river to the sea mean?
00:42:40.000You think you understand what it actually means, but it actually feels like it's the most inorganic form of protest.
00:42:51.000It's like, hey, there's a site, and you go get paid a couple bucks an hour to go protest there, and it's easier than working a real job.
00:42:57.000Yeah, there are activist groups that are rounding everybody up to go out.
00:43:00.000I mean, here in D.C., which is pretty tame, I think, in terms of those pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine protests, there were groups called Students for Justice in Palestine that have been organizing all over the country.
00:43:12.000They were really getting people out there.
00:43:15.000But I think you're seeing, too, the elements that go out and protest are the more radical factions of their organizations or those movements.
00:43:26.000I love going to the Women's March and covering the Women's March and showing what these people actually think.
00:43:53.000So angry that she had seven kids, that she was Catholic.
00:43:57.000They said those things were disqualifying.
00:43:59.000And I think that's a really interesting way to cover these protests is to go and show what people actually think there, because that's not in line with what Americans think.
00:44:08.000So, you know, your average American housewife might be like, oh, the Women's March is great.
00:44:38.000Violate the law in their protesting have been treated has obviously been very different depending on what political faction they're with.
00:44:46.000We've seen this week I believe there were seven pro-life activists who have been sentenced to prison time just for trying to get in the way of someone who was seeking an abortion.
00:44:57.000And those are people who believe obviously that they're praying they're not like physically assaulting anyone like you know.
00:45:50.000Let everyone know where they can follow you, where they can find you on social, and where they can find the book.
00:45:55.000Because again, the more we get this stuff out there, the more the messaging is heard, the faster I think people realize that the vast majority of Americans are going to be with them.
00:46:30.000Thank you so much for being here, and guys, check out the book, and we'll definitely have to have you on because I have a feeling this nonsense isn't just going away magically.
00:46:38.000We're gonna have to keep fighting to make it go away, but, you know, I think if we do that right, we will make it happen.
00:46:43.000Well, thank you so much for having me.
00:47:03.000Is Philip Patrick of the Birch Gold Group, and, you know, Philip, I'd like to just get a little bit of an update on what's happening right now with inflation, because obviously, that's so critical to, you know, people really losing their net worth, even if it feels like they're doing well.
00:47:51.000Now, the PPI is a very important index to look at because it measures manufacturer costs and is a leading indicator of rising retail prices in the future, usually 6 to 12 months to follow.
00:48:05.000Annualized first quarter data shows a 7.8% rise
00:48:09.000In costs, which essentially means higher prices at store shelves near us soon.
00:48:16.000Well, when the Fed raises interest rates, you know, the cost of credit rises across the board, mortgages, credit cards, even, obviously, federal government debt, which only goes to, you know, rack up, you know, that $34 trillion score a little bit more.
00:48:30.000I saw a shocking statistic, I guess it was like last week, that 17% of federal government spending goes to debt service payments right now, just to cover the debt, right?
00:48:39.000It doesn't actually get us anything, just pays for all the nonsense.
00:50:53.000But I think the real problem here is that the nation is so deep in debt, raising interest rates any further simply accelerates that destructive feedback loop that we talked about and ultimately just wrecks the dollar's purchasing power.
00:51:10.000We need to cut this deficit spending and look at how we're going to pay down that debt if we ever want the dollar to sustain as global reserve longer term.
00:53:51.000We hear about it weekly in the halls of Congress.
00:53:55.000Yeah, I guess it was what, Ayanna Pressley last week, you know, talking about, you know, how she hates, you know, white people failing up and especially white men.
00:54:06.000About, you know, this challenging issue to a mainstream audience.
00:54:10.000And what do you want readers to understand about what's actually going on in there?
00:54:15.000Yeah, I mean, I try to really just lay out the facts.
00:54:18.000I mean, it was one of the things we actually did in the editing process.
00:54:21.000I mean, it wasn't a particularly overwrought book in terms of, you know, using lots of provocative language in the first place.
00:54:28.000But really, when we did it, we just said, look,
00:54:30.000The facts here are enough that we don't need to embellish them with a bunch of crazed rhetoric or anything like that.
00:54:36.000We can just lay out what's going on and that'll be that'll be persuasive.
00:54:41.000And, you know, I think that really worked.
00:54:42.000I mean, I was very fortunate to get endorsements from folks like Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk and Peter Kirstenau, the longest serving member of the U.S.
00:54:51.000So I think we I managed to talk about this issue.
00:54:55.000Which is a provocative issue in a way that I think a normal everyday person can understand and make sense of.
00:55:01.000Listen, I think it's an important one.
00:55:02.000I mean, if you look at, like, sort of my live feed right now, or candidly on any show, it is a topic.
00:55:09.000I mean, I know I talk about it with, like, my sons, oftentimes sort of in a joking way, but it's like, hey man, like, if you're a straight white man with the last name Trump, like, you better turn trans really quickly or you're gonna, you know, like...
00:55:21.000It is not that much of a level playing field for you right now.
00:55:25.000What are some of the inflection points in our country that it became so normal to attack Americans, to have sort of this governmental
00:55:38.000Sanctioned, uh, you know, racism against, uh, you know, certain classes.
00:55:44.000Uh, you know, we see it in admissions to, you know, medical schools, you know, with Asians being discriminated against, probably, you know, you know, other groups as well, but, you know, also those certain groups being just artificially boosted.
00:55:56.000Like, if you look at them side by side, it ain't even close, and yet it's happening.
00:56:00.000We see it across, uh, you know, the federal government in the process of getting government grants and hiring.
00:56:06.000You know, what stands out the most to you?
00:56:08.000Yeah, I don't know that, Don, that there's any one particular thing that you can point to.
00:56:12.000I think there's a few different things that kind of happened.
00:56:17.000I think affirmative action and so-called disparate impact, which started happening in the early 70s, were when we really had
00:56:24.000A sharp divergence from civil rights as being anything like equality.
00:56:28.000So I think affirmative action people have a pretty good sense of what that is.
00:56:32.000Disparate impact, a little bit less, but it's almost just as important.
00:56:36.000That comes out of a Supreme Court ruling called Griggs versus Duke Power in 1971.
00:56:41.000And what it basically says, to kind of oversimplify, is that
00:56:45.000Even if you have an employment process, even if there's no intent to discriminate, but you kind of wind up with numbers at the end of that that aren't pretty equal to the population in question by race or gender or whatever it is, you can be accused of having a disparate impact against a group and you can be held liable for that.
00:57:05.000And so what happens, and obviously I know you've run a business, you probably had to deal with this, you know, is that
00:57:12.000To not run afoul of this, they end up discriminating against white people or whoever else, whatever group is kind of advantaged in that process.
00:57:43.000No, I mean, and you see that, you know, again, not just, you know, business, but having done business, you know, there's businesses that sort of lend itself to certain things, right?
00:57:50.000I mean, you know, people are like, well, there's not enough women in construction.
00:58:33.000No, I mean, you want a pilot who can land the plane.
00:58:35.000And I think pretty much if you surveyed anybody, regardless of race, they would say that.
00:58:40.000And that's kind of the interesting thing, Don, that you see is even in a left-wing state like California, in the same time that Joe Biden was taken 63% there, an affirmative action resolution, a ballot initiative was defeated there.
00:58:55.000Because I think people like the average American doesn't really want to
00:59:00.000It does seem like it actually comes from
00:59:17.000More than anyone, some of those sort of the liberal white elites.
00:59:21.000Is it virtue signaling, like so many things?
00:59:23.000Again, I used the example earlier in the interview with Mary.
00:59:28.000The people who posted their black squares, their entire social standing is on their virtue signaling, but they're also the most basic people in the world.
00:59:38.000They don't actually believe any of these things, but there's such social clout that comes with doing the nonsense that they're happy to do it and just fall in line.
01:00:07.000I think it's I mean, if you're really in that elite, you have ways to get around
01:00:13.000You know, an anti-white policy in a way that an average white person really doesn't, and a middle class white person.
01:00:20.000And so it can be a way of sort of showing your virtue, also showing your power, because it's like, yeah, I can go say I've got white privilege, because I'm going to be fine anyway, right?
01:00:28.000Whereas your average construction worker, who's not actually, of course, have white privilege at all anyway.
01:00:51.000And one of the things we find is that all groups have what we would call an in-group preference.
01:00:54.000So black people tend to like black people a little more, Asian people, Asian people a little more, white people, white people a little more, et cetera.
01:01:01.000Conservatives a little bit more in group preference than liberals, but nothing that like really stands out either by race or...
01:01:08.000Ideology, it's kind of what you'd expect.
01:01:09.000And within reason, there's nothing wrong with that.
01:01:12.000Just like I prefer my mother to some random woman on the street, right?
01:01:15.000Like, but there's one exception to this.
01:01:20.000Liberal whites, and I haven't seen this even in any other country, when you survey them, they have what's called an outgroup preference, which is they think that whites, on average, when you survey them, are dumber, more criminal, you kind of go down the line.
01:01:48.000Yeah, I read statistics about that, like the liberal whites being the most heavily medicated, suffering from the most... Where does that stem from, though?
01:01:57.000I mean, again, it had to come from somewhere, right?
01:02:01.00025 years ago, that was probably not the case.
01:02:06.000Yeah, I mean, that's a great question, Don.
01:02:08.000I don't know that I have like a really pat answer for you.
01:02:10.000I think it may be at some level, they're unhappy with themselves.
01:02:13.000And like a lot of people who are unhappy with themselves, they project that unhappiness onto other people in very socially destructive ways.
01:02:21.000But I don't think there's kind of one, you know, obvious answer to
01:02:24.000To that question, but we definitely see it.
01:02:27.000And again, in saying all this, I'm not trying to suggest, I mean, it's a little too pat to say, Oh, well, this is just liberal whites problem.
01:02:33.000I mean, I think they're, they're a really important cog, but there's a lot of minority political leadership that has participated also in this bad anti-white activism.
01:02:42.000And I'm not giving them, I'm not taking away their agency.
01:02:45.000I'm not giving them a free pass, but I do think it's a little more understandable.
01:02:49.000Like anybody can understand a group or members of a group choosing to advocate for something they might.
01:03:06.000And by the way, it feels like in this stuff, there is such a component of grift.
01:03:12.000Some of the biggest advocates for this, they're on the... I sort of use the Al Sharpton example.
01:03:17.000It was known in New York, he shows up to a thing like, hey, you put us on the payroll and we won't be picketing in front of your business saying that you're racist and discriminatory.
01:03:45.000It's a big joke, and it's like there are people that are actually victims of that joke, though, that don't get it, that are part of that.
01:03:54.000And then there's the people who are just basically pocketing a lot of money in the grift, which is disgusting, but continues and seems to be a big part in what's perpetuating this to keep going, because more people are like, hey, if I can make money doing this, yeah, sure, everyone's racist.
01:04:10.000That's the easy button of the left these days.
01:04:16.000And I mean, you and I are of similar generations, so we kind of know that earlier history of Al Sharpton.
01:04:21.000I mean, the fact that a guy who did some of the things that he was involved with could be a mainstream figure on the left who could visit the Obama White House, I think, more than anybody else.
01:04:39.000Like, it's the best form of job security ever.
01:04:42.000I mean, it's sort of laughable, but it's a vicious cycle that, hey, if you're aggressive enough pitching your racist stuff, then you're, you know, no one's gonna take it on because it's just easier to leave it alone and, you know, stroke him a check every once in a while.
01:04:57.000And this is a guy who was involved, at least indirectly, I'll be careful for legal reasons there, of inciting race riots in which people died.
01:05:06.000And, you know, now he's become this kind of mainstream figure who we have to treat as respectable.
01:05:38.000Yeah, I mean, I think it's a huge piece of it, right?
01:05:41.000I mean, this is, I think Vivek put it really nicely, Ramaswamy in the campaign, when he talked about, he said, look, the grace replacement is not a conspiracy theory.
01:05:53.000It's just a statement of the Democrat Party's immigration policy.
01:05:57.000My colleague Michael Anton at Claremont has a phrase that's called celebration parallax, which I think really describes that this very well, which is to say something is either, you know, horrible and racist if I say it as a conservative white guy.
01:06:11.000But if a minority says this, observes the same exact phenomenon, it's something that we should celebrate, right?
01:06:17.000It's not happening to you and it's good that it is.
01:06:24.000A kind of dramatic demographic transformation that the Democrats have celebrated we went from a time before the hard seller immigration bill in the 1960s where we were essentially effectively an all white and black society but 85% non Hispanic white.
01:06:40.000Today that number is 58%, and among under 18, whites are already a minority.
01:06:46.000And Biden, of course, because he is, even compared to the other reckless Democrats, has just left the border wide open, has turbocharged that.
01:06:55.000And so now we have who knows who coming over the border, and we have a dramatic transformation demographically of the country that nobody ever voted on.
01:07:47.000These tensions are rising right now, and anybody who's online kind of see it, whether or not people are talking about it.
01:07:53.000So I said, hey, let's have a real and meaningful, honest, fact-based conversation about what's going on so that we can help all Americans over, you know, overcome this and get much more toward
01:08:06.000An ideal where kind of race is not front and center of everything that we're doing.
01:08:09.000I mean, that's really the purpose for which I wrote this book.
01:08:13.000You know, the left, contrary, is insisting on kind of making that pressure cooker go at higher and higher pressure because they're, you know, if somebody like me talks about it or you talk about it, we're gonna get called racist, et cetera, et cetera.
01:08:27.000Now, I've just learned to ignore that over time.
01:08:29.000Yeah, but I think that's actually a cultural shift.
01:08:40.000It's so flagrant, uh, that I think you can just have the conversation.
01:08:44.000And again, you know, that's still easier for us to do than others.
01:08:48.000But, but I think the examples, uh, the insanity of some of it,
01:08:52.000It is so flagrant that people have to start, like, it's actually becoming the norm.
01:08:57.000The cancel culture component of this is sort of missing at this point because, you know, I guess since, for the last decade, literally everything has been racist.
01:09:07.000You know, it's sort of, now you hear it, it's like,
01:09:11.000Move on, next, it's just, here they go again, which is a shame because I'm not saying that racism doesn't still exist in some form or capacity, it's just not the cause of and solution for all of life's problems which the left made it.
01:09:25.000And I even say in my book, of course, I'm not suggesting in any way that there are not other forms of racism in the country.
01:09:30.000I just kind of outline in great detail in looking at everything from our education system to the military, to health care, to business, kind of how anti-white racism, I argue, is really the predominant form of racism.
01:09:43.000But of course, there are other forms of racism.
01:09:45.000And I think, Don, you're absolutely right that it's gotten much easier
01:09:48.000Well, and it's like, well, what he's saying is not
01:10:26.000It's just because things have also gotten a lot worse.
01:10:29.000I mean, it's like the left has just amped up the crazy 211.
01:10:33.000And so it's like, even for people like myself, who are in relatively privileged circumstances, and like you, Don, I have five kids, you know, and they're growing up in, you know, relative comfort compared to a lot of Americans.
01:10:47.000But I, you know, I wrote this book for my kids.
01:10:51.000You know, I can't promise them the same sort of life that I've been fortunate to have because, you know, who knows how they're going to be treated out there.
01:10:57.000Yeah, no, listen, hey, I was a real estate developer once from New York City.
01:11:04.000It's like, I don't have a choice because I have five kids.
01:11:07.000I got to leave them a country that we recognize.
01:11:10.000And I guess, you know, maybe that goes to the, you know, what would some of the key policy prescriptions be, Jeremy, to address
01:11:17.000Uh, you know, some of this, uh, discrimination.
01:11:19.000How much of the DEI framework is just flat-out illegal that we're able to actually just do something about it based on, uh, just, you know, the rules and norms of our law?
01:11:30.000Yeah, well, I think that's a good thing.
01:11:31.000I mean, I think that there are some laws that we do need to change and look at, but even within the existing legal frameworks that we have, one of the great things, I think one of the most effective organizations that came indirectly out of your father's administration was Stephen Miller's America First Legal, that's really been, along with some other groups,
01:11:51.000Kind of picking up $20 bills on the ground, metaphorically speaking.
01:11:54.000In other words, they are blatantly illegal, even under our existing civil rights laws, practices, employment practices, education discrimination practices, things where we're basically saying no whites allowed.
01:12:09.000You're not actually allowed to do that in the overwhelming majority of cases.
01:12:13.000And so we're beginning to sue some of these guys and say, hey, you can't do that.
01:12:17.000And in many cases, they're just folding, even in some pretty prominent cases because they know
01:12:23.000That if they are actually tested in court, they're going to lose.
01:12:27.000That, in fact, these things are not legal.
01:12:30.000The Attorney General of Missouri, right after the Supreme Court decision against affirmative action came out, canceled, I think, $16 million of racially exclusive scholarships, saying correctly, you know, this is illegal.
01:12:44.000I think, obviously, getting control of our border is a piece.
01:12:48.000I think supporting the police and doing things like that as the police so that we don't have this kind of post-George Floyd hysteria that we really had.
01:12:57.000I think there's lots of different things that we can do.
01:13:03.000We also, I think, need to kind of try to ban things like disparate impact, and I think that could be done with either legislation or
01:13:31.000I think I was like the first verified person on Twitter or like, let's call it, with something to lose to be like, uh, I'm calling bullshit.
01:13:38.000That's risky because if, you know, but it's pretty clear.
01:13:41.000Hey, if this happened, it's despicable and we got to denounce it.
01:13:44.000But like, there's almost zero chance that that happened.
01:14:29.000So, I mean, you know, that was just one of the more ridiculous incidents.
01:14:33.000I mean, if you look at most of these prominent hate crimes and kind of bet on them being hoaxes when they come out, you know, your record will be pretty good, as my friend Wilfred Wiley has kind of showed in his book.
01:14:47.000I think there is an incentive structure and I think that's important because these sorts of things don't kind of just spring fully armored like Athena from Zeus's head ready for battle.
01:14:56.000I mean they they kind of have gestation period.
01:14:59.000They have reasons that they've happened.
01:15:01.000I think there's a lot but but kind of one of the main ones I'd argue is
01:15:06.000That effectively, look, in 2024, you can't just go up to somebody, and I think there's at least a perception, and there's some reality to that, that, like, whites as a group have more resources than some other groups.
01:15:19.000But you can't go up to people in 2024 and just say, like, I want your stuff in America.
01:15:24.000So you need to come up with what's called... Unless you're a Democrat.
01:15:30.000You can't just, yeah, but if they get their way, you know.
01:15:34.000Yeah, that can happen to you if you're a Trump.
01:15:36.000But you need to have what the, I'll get academic for a second, the sociologist, late sociologist C. Wright Mills called a legitimating ideology.
01:15:44.000And that means you have to come up with an ideological justification for doing the sort of stuff you want to do anyway.
01:15:49.000So what that looks like is white privilege, white supremacy, you know, you have all these things because of all this, and therefore we're morally justified in taking all this stuff from you.
01:16:00.000And I think when you look particularly at the reparations debate, which is,
01:16:04.000The more you study it, the more it's just completely disconnected from reality.
01:16:09.000And all these things, all this kind of overheated anti-white rhetoric, is ultimately just a legitimating ideology to justify resource confiscation of various types.
01:16:21.000Well, Jeremy, tell us, tell the audience, where can they find the book?
01:16:25.000Where can they find you to follow, you know, appreciate you taking in this on?
01:16:28.000I'm sure, like I said, I can tell from the people in the feed, they see it every day.
01:16:31.000It's sort of, you know, some people, again, feel sort of helpless about it because it is very real.
01:16:37.000It is going on, you know, but obviously there's big forces pushing it and that, you know, everyone doesn't have that soapbox.
01:16:44.000So, you know, where can they learn more about it?
01:17:19.000Yeah, they're gonna hide that behind the Michelle Obama biography like they used to do to my book, Triggered.
01:17:24.000I was like, I was a New York Times number one bestseller, but I couldn't find it at any bookstores because they were literally just putting stuff in front of it so that no one could see it.
01:17:31.000Yeah, it'll be in the brown paper bag, metaphorically.
01:17:34.000But it really does make a difference, by the way, and hopefully your audience who's listening to this is like, wow, this guy is making a lot of sense.
01:17:41.000But even if you disagree with me on a point or two,
01:17:43.000What you do by buying a book like this is, sadly, you don't make me rich.
01:17:47.000It's not anybody who knows about the economics of book publishing knows that.
01:17:51.000But what you do is you send a signal to the market that, hey, we want to hear about this sort of subject.
01:17:57.000It's a legitimate subject to be talking about.
01:18:00.000Major publishers should be bringing more books to the market about this.
01:18:04.000Because you can imagine, I was fortunate to get a very mainstream publisher, Regnery, to kind of do this book.
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