Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Exclusive Interview with Secretary of State Marco Rubio | TRIGGERED Ep.232

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00:06:37.000 And today we have an exclusive interview with Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

00:06:43.000 Secretary Rubio is delivering on all fronts for my father's America First mission and has emerged as one of the best messengers and forces for good in the administration.

00:06:54.000 And really, in my opinion, to have ever held this cabinet position.

00:06:59.000 When you think about what he's able to do, when you think of the obstacles he's actually having to deal with abroad as well as at home, it's pretty incredible.

00:07:08.000 So with clear vision and unwavering resolve, he's held our adversaries accountable, refusing to yield when American security and prosperity.

00:07:17.000 are at stake.

00:07:18.000 Under Secretary Rubio's leadership, our State Department is actually putting this country first, and the results are undeniable.

00:07:28.000 We're deporting illegal immigrant gang members out of the country, okay? 0.99

00:07:32.000 And despite resistance from the radical left who would love murderous, raping, drug-dealing thugs to remain here, their resolve remains unwavering. 0.93

00:07:51.000 You know, probably things we should be paying attention to.

00:07:53.000 We're putting authoritarian dictatorial regimes on notice.

00:07:57.000 He's dismantling USAID, getting rid of DEI performance evaluations for our Forest Service officers, you know, so that maybe you can actually recruit talent that does the job well, not that just checks boxes.

00:08:10.000 And that's why they advance, and that's why you can't recruit good people, and so much more.

00:08:16.000 Guys, it's a stark shift from the last four years under the Biden-Blinken atrocity, where appeasement took priority over accountability, where weakness led rather than strength.

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00:10:56.000 Secretary Rubio recently wrapped a trip to Europe where he delivered a clear message to NATO that it's not just about talking, it's about action and every nation doing their part.

00:11:09.000 Prior to that, he was in Central America and in the Caribbean.

00:11:13.000 Part of a broader pivot to Latin America.

00:11:16.000 Again, bringing things back to the Western Hemisphere, places that are right on our border, places that are a clear and present threat to America, our interests, our borders, our sovereignty, etc. 0.89

00:11:27.000 And of course, when it comes to Ukraine and Russia, my father has made it clear that he wants to end the bloodshed and achieve peace.

00:11:36.000 But as Secretary Rubio said, peace is not a noun.

00:11:40.000 It requires action.

00:11:43.000 So this is gonna be an important conversation.

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00:12:21.000 So now we go to my exclusive interview with Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

00:12:28.000 Well, guys, joining me now, Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

00:12:33.000 Good to have you, Marco.

00:12:34.000 How's everything?

00:12:34.000 Thanks for having me.

00:12:35.000 Thank you.

00:12:35.000 Thanks for having me on here.

00:12:36.000 Well, I imagine this is a good day, given the outcome of the basketball game last night.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:42.000 I was like, it's Hawaii.

00:12:43.000 By the way, that young guy, I think he's the youngest coach maybe since they were saying last night on TV, since Valvano to win a national title.

00:12:50.000 He's only been there three years.

00:12:51.000 They hired him from the University of San Francisco.

00:12:54.000 He played, I think six or seven years in Israel in basketball.

00:12:59.000 And then he came over and he's done a great job.

00:13:02.000 I don't know.

00:13:19.000 I don't remember that back in the day.

00:13:21.000 People just won.

00:13:21.000 They had a parade.

00:13:22.000 Now, you know, they want to tear up the town even the night before.

00:13:25.000 So that was the only The downside of winning is seeing these people risking their lives over in Gainesville.

00:13:31.000 Yeah, listen, kids are going to be kids.

00:13:34.000 I'm okay with kids being kids.

00:13:36.000 I think we need a little bit more of that as well.

00:13:38.000 But yeah, we've got to be a little careful.

00:13:40.000 Yeah, I draw the line at life-threatening shows of enthusiasm.

00:13:45.000 Those are the things.

00:13:46.000 Luckily, my son wasn't the guy on the light post, but I saw that last night.

00:13:49.000 I was like, somewhere there's a nervous mom.

00:13:51.000 Well, thank you again, Mr. Secretary, for taking the time.

00:13:55.000 I guess to start off, It was interesting to see the Supreme Court yesterday, in my opinion, smartly lifted the restraining order against the Trump administration as it relates to the ability to deport Trinidad and Tobago murderous drug dealing gang members to El Salvador.

00:14:11.000 Can you talk about the significance of this?

00:14:13.000 I know you've been dealing with this a lot on a daily basis.

00:14:17.000 I know you were intimately involved, obviously, when they were trying to recall to make sure we couldn't deport murderous thugs.

00:14:23.000 But can you talk about that historic work coordinating with President Bukele of El Salvador to get these criminals actually off of our streets?

00:14:31.000 Well, a couple things.

00:14:32.000 The most important thing about that court ruling is it says you have to file it.

00:14:35.000 You have to go before the judge wherever those people are being held before they're sent abroad.

00:14:38.000 Because right now what was happening is these activists were basically just finding a court.

00:14:42.000 They would find, you know, they forum shop.

00:14:44.000 They find, where can I find a friendly federal judge that gives me the highest probability of victory in court?

00:14:50.000 So you have over 600-something district court judges, and so you have a guy in New Jersey or a guy in New York or a guy in D.C. basically enjoying the entire country.

00:14:58.000 I mean, one of these federal judges has the power to stop the entire federal government in all 50 states and every one of our territories.

00:15:04.000 And so I think the most important thing the court said is, number one, if you want to fight these things, you have to fight it in the jurisdiction where they're being sent from or being held, in this case, Texas, which clearly, for whatever reason, these lawyers didn't want to go to Texas to file it, right?

00:15:16.000 And then the other is just the power of the federal government to conduct foreign policy.

00:15:20.000 We have a judge right now that is basically trying to order the federal government, the executive branch, to...

00:15:27.000 Bring people back.

00:15:28.000 In essence, they are trying to order us to go to the president of El Salvador and tell him, you must now send people back to us.

00:15:34.000 So we can't live in a country, it's just not constitutional, where judges are now conducting the foreign policy of the United States.

00:15:41.000 The trip to El Salvador was one of the first trips I did.

00:15:45.000 I think it was two weeks in, maybe three weeks in as Secretary of State.

00:15:48.000 I met with Bukele.

00:15:49.000 I've known him for a long time.

00:15:50.000 He's very pro-American, likes the president a lot.

00:15:53.000 He's going to be visiting here pretty soon.

00:15:54.000 I think maybe next week it is when he's going to be coming to the Oval Office.

00:15:58.000 And he agreed.

00:15:58.000 He said, look, I built these prisons and I will house people here.

00:16:02.000 First of all, he wants his MS-13 killers that are in the United States because they're wanted for crimes in El Salvador too.

00:16:07.000 And then he's also willing to hold members of this dangerous Venezuelan gang. 0.93

00:16:11.000 And he's doing it at a fraction of the cost of what it would cost us here in the United States to hold them.

00:16:16.000 This is one of the most dangerous gangs ever.

00:16:19.000 Trained at Agua, one of the most dangerous gangs you've ever seen.

00:16:21.000 They take over entire communities and we want them out of the country.

00:16:25.000 And Venezuela wasn't taking him.

00:16:27.000 So we had to find a place to send him.

00:16:29.000 And he has the perfect place to send him.

00:16:31.000 And that's a deal we cut with him back in early February.

00:16:34.000 And this was the execution of it.

00:16:35.000 We're very grateful.

00:16:36.000 And since then, we sent another group over.

00:16:38.000 They're not as big.

00:16:39.000 But you look at the roster of people, the next, I think it was nine or ten that we sent.

00:16:43.000 You see the rap sheet on some of these people.

00:16:45.000 It's one of the worst collections of human beings I've ever seen in my life.

00:16:49.000 And I'm glad they're no longer in the United States.

00:16:52.000 Well, watching the leftists try to defend these people, have them released, I mean, it's sort of wild.

00:16:58.000 I can't imagine a civilization that could survive by releasing arguably some of the most violent people in history back into our streets.

00:17:07.000 Have they just lost the plot so badly that this is their hill to die on?

00:17:11.000 Yeah, I think they're so triggered by everything that happens in terms of any sort of removal of people from the country.

00:17:17.000 It's almost automatically assumed that if you are somehow removed from this country, you are a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize or you are some sort of, you know, it's amazing.

00:17:24.000 You read these articles, these are the greatest people I've ever lived.

00:17:27.000 So just somehow all happen to be illegally in our country. 0.91

00:17:30.000 But it's a very simple and basic point.

00:17:32.000 What country in the world would assume millions of people in a mass migration, not to mention thousands and thousands of people that you know are members of dangerous gangs and either have criminal records in their home country or here or are part of groups that commit crimes? 0.95

00:17:47.000 Who would It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard that some country would want to keep them there. 0.61

00:17:51.000 It would make all this, for a real everyday person in America, if you went to them and said, should we kick out people that are in here illegally and are dangerous criminals, that's like a no-brainer. 0.99

00:18:00.000 That's got to be like a 90-10 issue in the United States.

00:18:03.000 The fact that there's even a 10 is shocking to me.

00:18:05.000 Maybe it's even higher, right?

00:18:07.000 But these guys consistently fall on the other side of it.

00:18:10.000 They consistently fall on the other side of it.

00:18:13.000 And what they're basically telling the American people is, these people that are in our country illegally, and by the way, are dangerous, somehow have the same rights, if not more rights, than... 0.69

00:18:23.000 Everyday citizens in our country who are law-abiding, were born here, are naturalized here, are legal citizens of the United States, they basically have the same rights that you have.

00:18:31.000 It's the same issue with the student visas.

00:18:32.000 We have this concept that's been built up that this is somehow a right, that people are entitled to a visa.

00:18:38.000 No one's entitled to come into the U.S. illegally, much less remain here. 0.99

00:18:42.000 And no one's entitled to a visa.

00:18:44.000 A visa, we deny visas every day all over the world because we think somebody might overstay because we have questions about somebody.

00:18:50.000 So none of these things are right.

00:18:52.000 So it's time, in addition to doing what's good for our country, it's an important opportunity to sort of reset.

00:18:57.000 Yeah, I'd argue the Biden administration canceled plenty of visas of people that actually could be the next astronaut, the next nuclear physicist, the next...

00:19:09.000 because they probably weren't reliable Democrat voters.

00:19:12.000 But I think more importantly, as you and my father have...

00:19:14.000 Both made very clear.

00:19:16.000 Gangs like Trendel Aragua, part of Maduro's narco-terrorist regime who've influenced violence on American citizens, murder, as well as the Venezuelan people. 0.88

00:19:26.000 This isn't just a foreign problem.

00:19:28.000 It's an American one, and it's right in our backyard. 0.92

00:19:33.000 What else do people need to understand about how deep this really goes?

00:19:37.000 Because this isn't just, hey, they got rid of a couple people.

00:19:40.000 I mean, this seems to me like a serious op designed to I think mass migration has been weaponized against America.

00:19:53.000 I think as the years go on, as the months go on, as we learn more about it, there'll be evidence and proof of that out there.

00:19:58.000 There's no doubt there was a concerted effort, among other things.

00:20:00.000 I mean, there was a lot of people already wanting to come for a lot of reasons.

00:20:03.000 On top of that...

00:20:05.000 I think you had a concerted effort to push people towards the United States.

00:20:08.000 It's not unprecedented.

00:20:09.000 You know, in 1980, Fidel Castro opened up his mental institutions, he opened up his jails, and he basically flooded the United States with criminals from Cuba.

00:20:19.000 And we paid an extraordinary price for it.

00:20:21.000 So it's not unprecedented.

00:20:22.000 In the case of Tren del Agua, that was a prison gang inside of Venezuela.

00:20:25.000 The Venezuelan regime pushed them out of the country, knowing that many of them, first of all, they destabilized all kinds of countries neighboring in the region, but ultimately wound their way up here. 0.99

00:20:35.000 to the united states and we saw that trend begin probably you know in january of 2023, we started to see uptick and people arriving.

00:20:42.000 It was actually Venezuelans that were telling me this.

00:20:44.000 People here in the country, they were saying, look, these people that are coming now, they're members of gangs.

00:20:48.000 You know, and at first you kind of think, well, you know, how do you really know?

00:20:51.000 But they were right.

00:20:52.000 They were absolutely right.

00:20:53.000 And we started to see that.

00:20:54.000 And you started to see them in the unlikeliest places.

00:20:56.000 It wasn't like they were all coming to Miami.

00:20:58.000 They actually were going to places like Chicago and New York and Aurora, Colorado and, you know, sprinkled all over the country.

00:21:05.000 And then the crimes began.

00:21:06.000 So there's no doubt that this was a concerted effort by the Maduro regime, not just to drive these gang members out of their country, but to drive them towards the United States and to inflict a price on this country.

00:21:16.000 And it's not, it's right out of the Fidel Castro playbook.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, well, Maria Corriana Machado won 92% of the vote there in an open primary despite Brutal, you know, repression, censorship. 0.98

00:21:30.000 I mean, I had her on the show two or three weeks ago.

00:21:32.000 She was talking about, I mean, if she went to a restaurant, you know, because she couldn't even fly, you know, driving to a campaign stop, they'd shut down the restaurant for even serving her. 0.70

00:21:41.000 I mean, she's clearly the choice of the Venezuelan people.

00:21:43.000 She was banned from the ballot.

00:21:45.000 But even her surrogate, Edmundo Gonzalez, still won the election by 40 points.

00:21:50.000 I mean, that's not like some of these things here where you say, hey, you know, you won by basis points.

00:21:54.000 Where are the games?

00:21:55.000 I mean, that's pretty decisive, even.

00:21:56.000 In that regime, would you say the Venezuelan opposition today is more unified and credible than perhaps we've seen in the past, and that can actually effectuate real change going forward?

00:22:07.000 Well, they're as brave as they've ever been, and she in particular, Maria Corina Machado, is an incredibly brave woman.

00:22:12.000 And I'm not criticizing anybody when I say this, but if you look at the Venezuelan opposition, a large percentage of the well-known figures in it are now living abroad.

00:22:20.000 Because there comes a time where your family's life is threatened or they force you out of the country or you leave.

00:22:24.000 You travel overseas to go give a speech and they don't let you back in.

00:22:27.000 She has stayed.

00:22:28.000 But she's in hiding.

00:22:29.000 They're hunting her down every day.

00:22:31.000 They're trying to get a hold of her.

00:22:32.000 They've tried to arrest her a couple times.

00:22:34.000 Incredible bravery.

00:22:35.000 One of the bravest people in the world and I don't think people know enough about her.

00:22:38.000 But people have to understand.

00:22:39.000 I mean, being in the political opposition in Venezuela at this point is a life threatening circumstance to be in.

00:22:46.000 I mean, they will put you in jail.

00:22:47.000 They've jailed, you know, everybody around her, everybody.

00:22:49.000 And these are not like normal jails.

00:22:51.000 I mean, these are atrocious conditions that they're in.

00:22:53.000 So it's not a government.

00:22:55.000 The Maduro regime is not a government.

00:22:57.000 They govern territory because they have the guns and they have the security forces.

00:23:01.000 But it basically is a narco-terrorist organization.

00:23:11.000 They don't even control all of Venezuela, because the border regions with Colombia are openly controlled by narco-guerrilla terrorists.

00:23:21.000 So, yeah, I mean, if they had a real election in Venezuela, Maduro would lose, like he did, by a lot.

00:23:27.000 But obviously, the way they stay in power is they kill and jail the people who don't agree with them.

00:23:33.000 Well, you know, I know the Biden administration, I mean, these were regimes that were largely on the ropes until we shut down our own energy production, the Keystone Pipeline, and, you know, allowed Chevron to make a deal with the Maduro regime, which gave them the cash that I'm sure was siphoned off and or, you know, funneled through back to the regime to keep them in power.

00:23:51.000 I can't think of a more glaring example of basically giving a lifeline to literally a terrorist dictator than what we saw in the past.

00:23:59.000 You know, how do we reconcile that that even happened in America, you know, despite sort of party differences?

00:24:04.000 I mean, it's so flammable.

00:24:05.000 flagrant and that the fact that the media won't even talk about that, won't even talk about this.

00:24:10.000 But if we do anything here, they're so vocal about any kind of change in what was ultimately a failed policy that boosted up a dictator.

00:24:18.000 Look, in foreign policy, we want to be mature and realistic about it.

00:24:22.000 You're going to have to deal with some bad people, right?

00:24:23.000 You're going to have to deal with people that you don't like, people that you don't agree with, but for the purposes of foreign policy, peace, and all that kind of thing, you have to deal with them. 1.00

00:24:30.000 The problem is you can't do it in a stupid way. 0.99

00:24:33.000 And that's what the Biden people did. 1.00

00:24:34.000 They went to Maduro and they said, okay, we're going to do a deal.

00:24:37.000 You promise to hold elections, free and fair elections, in like nine months or whatever, and we will immediately lift sanctions and allow you to start producing oil and getting paid for it.

00:24:46.000 It was a side deal, by the way, because they only announced that they did this deal with Chevron.

00:24:50.000 What they didn't announce was that Chevron, with a side secret deal, was allowed to pay the Maduro regime royalties.

00:24:56.000 It accounted for over 25% of all the revenue going into that regime.

00:25:00.000 From oil.

00:25:01.000 So they did that deal.

00:25:02.000 Well, you talked about the election.

00:25:04.000 The election was fake.

00:25:05.000 They didn't have an election.

00:25:06.000 And after that, they left the deal in place.

00:25:10.000 They left it in place, even though they violated their word on holding free and fair elections.

00:25:14.000 I think the way they were going to do it, and I don't think at this point you can do it, you say, first you have free and fair elections, then we'll lift the sanctions.

00:25:22.000 And even if you do it the way that the Biden people did, at least, if they break their word, Undo the thing.

00:25:29.000 Stop allowing them to get money.

00:25:31.000 But they didn't do any of that. 1.00

00:25:33.000 So I think it's one more example of stupidity in our foreign policy, which other countries look at and say, well, hell, they got away with that. 0.99

00:25:39.000 We should be able to get away with whatever we want as well. 1.00

00:25:42.000 It's really both weakness and stupidity. 0.99

00:25:44.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not a foreign policy wonk by any stretch, but I know enough about negotiation to say you don't give up all your leverage. 0.99

00:25:51.000 You don't give the other side everything that they want before you get to the table to figure out what it is that you want.

00:25:58.000 You keep maximum pressure on them so you can actually effectuate real policy changes.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, well, if I want to put it in real estate terms, you don't get to say, okay, pay me for the building and I get to keep the building anyways.

00:26:08.000 And that's, you know, and that's pretty much the deal they made.

00:26:11.000 It's like, here's all this money for your, we want to buy your hotel or your property.

00:26:15.000 We're going to send you all this money for it.

00:26:17.000 But by the way, you get to keep the hotel and the property.

00:26:19.000 You get the money and the hotel.

00:26:21.000 That's what these guys got.

00:26:21.000 They got to keep their dictatorship and their deal.

00:26:24.000 But obviously, you know, President Trump is a very different kind of president.

00:26:27.000 And that's over now.

00:26:29.000 I agree.

00:26:30.000 Mr. Secretary, can you talk about the impact of your successful leadership and what appears to be a broader pivot into the Western Hemisphere?

00:26:39.000 We've seen comparisons to the Monroe Doctrine.

00:26:42.000 Can you talk about the opportunities to shake up the foundations of communism in the Western Hemisphere and build communism?

00:26:48.000 Yeah. Well, the baseline is the United States wants to be friends with our friends, right?

00:27:07.000 So for a long time, if you were a U.S. or pro-American ally in the region, we kind of ignored you and in some cases actually treated you bad.

00:27:13.000 But if you were an irritant like Nicaragua or Cuba or Venezuela, then we made all these deals with you to make you happy, right?

00:27:19.000 So we made deals with the people that hated us and we either neglected or sometimes were outright hostile towards the countries that were pro-American.

00:27:27.000 So we reversed all of that.

00:27:28.000 And look, maybe I'll miss a country here, but you talk about places like Guyana, Argentina, Paraguay, Costa Rica.

00:27:35.000 You know, the president of Panama is very pro-American, meaning he wants to be our ally and our partner, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic.

00:27:44.000 So we've made a concerted effort to reach out to these countries that have governments and leaders that want to be aligned with the United States, not just in regional issues, but international issues and figure out a way we want those Democratic.

00:27:54.000 to go back to their people and say, "Hey, there's benefits to being friends of America.

00:27:58.000 Here are the benefits." At the same time, it allows us to clearly define the countries that have governments that are enemies of the United States.

00:28:05.000 Unfortunately, in Cuba, in Nicaragua, in Cuba, And obviously the regime in Venezuela.

00:28:11.000 So we identify these.

00:28:13.000 And then others, we've got some tough issues to work through, like with Mexico. 0.99

00:28:17.000 In fairness, I think the Mexicans are doing more today against the cartels and against migration than they have ever, ever done ever before.

00:28:25.000 And obviously the credit goes to President Trump for being very strong about that.

00:28:28.000 But that's an example of how positive engagement has allowed us to get things, has allowed us to reach a level of cooperation with the Mexican government.

00:28:37.000 How would you like to see that?

00:28:42.000 Because, I mean, to me, that's the biggest thing.

00:28:43.000 I mean, we spend trillions in Ukraine.

00:28:45.000 It doesn't matter.

00:28:45.000 I mean, it's not really a clear and present threat to us.

00:28:48.000 All of those things.

00:28:49.000 But, I mean, the Mexican border, whether it's, honestly, a lot of the stuff I'm sure you're probably dealing with on trade, as well as the cartels with, you know, the fentanyl trade coming across and then human trafficking and child sex trafficking.

00:29:01.000 You know, I love seeing Mexico do that.

00:29:04.000 What more can we do to help bolster those efforts?

00:29:07.000 Because, I mean, I think if we look at it objectively, I imagine, you know, there's probably plenty of cartel infiltration into the Mexican military.

00:29:13.000 You see about, you know, X number of presidential candidates in Mexico killed likely by the cartel.

00:29:18.000 You know, two Vietnams a year.

00:29:40.000 Indiscriminately, across the board with fentanyl, that seems to me like the most obvious clear and present danger to the United States of any foreign issue that we deal with, any war and any conflict.

00:29:51.000 Yeah, no, no doubt.

00:29:52.000 So I think the first is to recognize what you just said.

00:29:54.000 And that is, and I'll tell you why we recognize it.

00:29:56.000 You're absolutely right.

00:29:57.000 I mean, you have judges like, like this talk about extraditions.

00:29:59.000 There are people that are extraditable, like they're wanted in the United States.

00:30:02.000 They should be extradited, but they'll literally go to some corrupt judge and say, oh, that's not me.

00:30:07.000 I'm not Jose Sanchez.

00:30:08.000 I'm not Juan Ramirez.

00:30:09.000 That's not me.

00:30:10.000 And they spent 10 years in this process.

00:30:12.000 And then you've got, you know, some people in that government that have been very, that want to get rid of those people that want to take those on.

00:30:17.000 And we just have to understand that in Mexico for those.

00:30:20.000 people to stand up and say, I'm going to take on a drug cartel.

00:30:22.000 It's not like you might lose the next election or be removed from office.

00:30:26.000 It's like you might be beheaded. 0.99

00:30:27.000 You know, you might be killed. 1.00

00:30:28.000 Your car might blow up. 0.96

00:30:29.000 Your kids might and your family might be killed.

00:30:31.000 Same with journalists that reveal all that.

00:30:33.000 So I think part of it is capacity building, meaning working with them.

00:30:36.000 You know, the Mexicans have capabilities.

00:30:38.000 I mean, they're not it's not a third world country.

00:30:40.000 I mean, they've got, you know, institutions there that we partner with.

00:30:43.000 It's intelligence sharing, whether it's them alerting us.

00:30:46.000 Hey, these guys we think have crossed your border and they're operating in Tucson or us letting them know, hey, there's a drug shipment or there's a human trafficking network moving across.

00:30:55.000 Can you guys action that?

00:30:57.000 So all of those sort of all that collaboration is going on right now as we speak.

00:31:01.000 And it's more than it's ever been.

00:31:02.000 Now, there's more that needs to be done.

00:31:04.000 And if you look at the border today, it's the most secure border we've probably ever had in my lifetime.

00:31:08.000 That's for sure.

00:31:09.000 I mean, there's just nobody crossing.

00:31:11.000 In fact, one of the biggest problems we're facing or complaining.

00:31:18.000 They realized Trump won the election.

00:31:20.000 He was actually serious.

00:31:21.000 They made a U-turn and now they're kind of stuck in these countries along the way, whether it's Mexico or Guatemala, Honduras, whatever.

00:31:27.000 They're making U-turns.

00:31:29.000 So that has stopped, and I think Mexicans deserve some credit for helping us on that front because they've actually sent more National Guard troops to the border than they ever have before. 1.00

00:31:37.000 Look, they've still got big problems.

00:31:39.000 We've still got to deal with the fact that there are parts of Mexico where the drug cartels are way more powerful than the government.

00:31:45.000 In fact, the government might not even be present there.

00:31:46.000 They are the government.

00:31:47.000 It's a huge undertaking, and it requires, you know, we have to work.

00:31:51.000 It's not just an us issue.

00:31:52.000 I mean, it's the Department of Defense.

00:31:54.000 It's Christine Ohm and DHS.

00:31:55.000 It's Tom Homan.

00:31:57.000 It's all of these different elements of government that are partnering with the Mexicans.

00:32:00.000 This is the closest we've ever worked with them.

00:32:01.000 We have a lot more to do, but this is the closest we've ever worked with Mexicans, the Mexican authorities on tackling this problem.

00:32:07.000 And I think there's more to be done.

00:32:08.000 That's great.

00:32:10.000 Meanwhile, I guess the State Department, we talked about visas a little bit earlier, but you guys have been sort of aggressively confronting visa holders.

00:32:17.000 Tied to terror groups and extremism.

00:32:20.000 It's sort of shocking to me that that was never done before.

00:32:22.000 You would think that would be a pretty serious red flag, but apparently it wasn't.

00:32:27.000 Only people who buy MAGA hats and or Bibles would be targeted by the Biden administration.

00:32:32.000 Can you lay out perhaps your mission and priorities as it relates to foreign national here on visas who are acting against America's interests? 0.56

00:32:42.000 Yeah, so if you go right now to a window somewhere in an embassy and apply for a United States visa, there's all kinds of reasons I won't allow you to come in, because we think you might overstay your visa, because we don't like or have questions about some of your political activities and your views.

00:32:53.000 We just won't give you a visa, proactively, on the front end.

00:32:56.000 My argument is, if we identify people like that, who we would not have given a visa to, had we known information, but now they got a visa, and now they're here, and we know the information.

00:33:07.000 Shouldn't we ask him to leave as a result of it?

00:33:09.000 In essence, if there are things about you that had we known, we would not have given you a visa, we should be taking away your visa.

00:33:16.000 It's as simple as that.

00:33:17.000 No one's entitled to a visa.

00:33:19.000 I mean, there are all kinds of reasons why people get denied.

00:33:21.000 There are people that can't tell you why their visa was denied.

00:33:23.000 They just don't know.

00:33:25.000 We're not taking more people from that country or whatever it may be.

00:33:28.000 So I think at the end of the day, that's what we're trying to do right now, is we're trying to go and identify people who we have information about, who had we known that information, we never would have given them a visa.

00:33:38.000 And we're revoking those visas and they have to leave.

00:33:41.000 Now, I think everyone would tell you this.

00:33:43.000 If you told me, I am applying for a student visa so I can attend a university, and while I'm at your university, I'm going to become a member and supportive or even participate in groups that are going to take over libraries, spray paint monuments, you know, start riots, bang drums all day and night, harass Jewish students. 0.79

00:34:00.000 If you told me you were going to be linked to any of that stuff, we never should have given you the visa.

00:34:04.000 Now that you're doing it, we should take away your visa. 0.72

00:34:06.000 And that's what we're trying to do, and that's what we are doing.

00:34:08.000 I know it's a lot of work, but it's something I wanted to do when I was a U.S. Senator.

00:34:13.000 I've been talking about this for two and a half years.

00:34:15.000 I think it's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

00:34:16.000 What country in the world? 1.00

00:34:17.000 How stupid, how ridiculous is it for some country to say, yes, bring more people to our country that are going to disrupt and create riots in our streets and on our campuses? 1.00

00:34:26.000 Who would do that? 1.00

00:34:27.000 It's idiotic. 1.00

00:34:29.000 We're not doing idiotic things anymore. 1.00

00:34:31.000 Yeah, you would think that one of the major disqualifications would be on the application. 0.98

00:34:35.000 If you withheld your true intentions for being there, that in and of itself would be disqualifying, and that's clearly what so many of these people are doing.

00:34:42.000 They're coming in under a guise of being a student, but they're far more active in their role as activists for hate than they are actually trying to be students.

00:34:53.000 That's right.

00:34:53.000 And look, I mean, at the end of the day, one thing is, you know, you're a U.S. citizen, you go on campus, you know, you get wrapped up in these movements.

00:34:59.000 It's very unfortunate, and I think that's a societal problem we have to confront as a country.

00:35:03.000 Like, why are the citizens of the most prosperous and freest country in the history of the world raising kids that are turning out to hate the country that made all this possible?

00:35:11.000 But another thing is to say, and by the way, we're also going to invite people into our country as guests who are going to join and foment these movements.

00:35:18.000 It just makes no sense to me.

00:35:20.000 By the way, that's not the only visas that are getting revoked.

00:35:22.000 If you have a DUI, if you're here on a student visa and you have a DUI or you have some other crime, that's an automatic suspension.

00:35:29.000 And they weren't doing that.

00:35:30.000 That wasn't happening.

00:35:31.000 That should be automatic.

00:35:32.000 You commit a crime while you're in this country, your visa's gone. 0.99

00:35:35.000 You didn't tell us you were coming here to break the law.

00:35:36.000 You told us you were coming here to study and then go back to your country.

00:35:39.000 And if they're not doing that, that should be the end of the visa.

00:35:42.000 And that was something that wasn't being enforced either.

00:35:44.000 Yeah, and it's not like there's not precedent for that, right?

00:35:46.000 I mean, you can't get into Canada if you've had a DOI.

00:35:48.000 I mean, you can't lie about an application to go to Mexico on your passports.

00:35:53.000 It feels like we've had the most lax immigration laws.

00:35:56.000 It's probably the country that most people around the world would want to get into.

00:36:00.000 And yet, we don't even hold ourselves to the similar standard of our neighbors and, frankly, everyone else around the world.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, no one else does it this way.

00:36:07.000 No one else does it this way.

00:36:09.000 We're the ones that I think something has built up in the American mentality that somehow coming to America is a right.

00:36:15.000 That everybody on Earth has a right to come to America legally or illegally if they want. 0.88

00:36:19.000 And that's just not true.

00:36:20.000 That's never been true.

00:36:22.000 But that certainly can't be the standard.

00:36:23.000 It's certainly not the legal standard.

00:36:25.000 And it also makes no sense.

00:36:26.000 Every country in the world has to be able to control who comes in, when they come in, why they came in.

00:36:32.000 We have to have standards for all that.

00:36:34.000 And then you have to enforce And we just completely lost...

00:36:38.000 They're all doing it.

00:36:57.000 They may be outraged because they want to get rid of their less-than-desirables, but I don't think we can be the world's dumping grounds for criminals and murderers.

00:37:05.000 I always talk about the statistics under the Biden administration.

00:37:08.000 13,000 murderers.

00:37:09.000 I mean, that's Joe Biden's ice.

00:37:11.000 They knew they were murderers and let them in. 0.98

00:37:13.000 16,000 rapists and sex offenders.

00:37:15.000 600,000 criminals overall. 0.90

00:37:17.000 I mean, that's insane.

00:37:18.000 They knew it and were like, eh, it's okay.

00:37:21.000 Spread out 16,000 rapists amongst the 4,000 counties in America.

00:37:26.000 Four rapists per county in America.

00:37:28.000 I mean, it doesn't seem like that would go well.

00:37:30.000 It's 3.6 murderers per county around the country.

00:37:34.000 What good could possibly come from these things?

00:37:37.000 No, nothing good comes up.

00:37:38.000 But it just tells you we just completely, the policymaking in America became completely detached from common sense, completely detached from reality.

00:37:46.000 We sort of adopted this mentality that we're welcoming everyone who wants to come in, come in.

00:37:51.000 You know who else had that mentality?

00:37:52.000 A bunch of countries in Western Europe that now deeply, deeply regret it.

00:37:55.000 You know, the Germans made the decision, let everybody in, let everybody in.

00:37:58.000 And now, you know, everybody in Germany is like, you know, and all over Europe is like, OK, we made a big mistake here.

00:38:03.000 Obviously, we're a bigger country, but we've made similar mistakes.

00:38:06.000 Right. And we can't let that continue to happen.

00:38:09.000 Well, I mean, Europe feels like it's over and it feels like they're actually recognized that they can't really do much about it.

00:38:16.000 But we've had our own issues here as well.

00:38:17.000 I mean, I know under the previous administration, the State Department made DEI.

00:38:21.000 20% of Foreign Service Officer performance.

00:38:24.000 I mean, DEI, I don't know what that has to do with Foreign Service Officer performance, but what did you find out as you got in there, and what are you doing to fix the issue of that?

00:38:35.000 Because none of that seems accretive to anything that the State Department would actually need to be doing.

00:38:40.000 Yeah, I think what you find is that you end up sort of losing focus on promoting people on the basis of merit.

00:38:45.000 And we have very good, talented people here that never got promoted or got stuck in mid-level ranks.

00:38:49.000 I mean, they have to wait 25 years to be an ambassador somewhere, or 30 years.

00:38:53.000 And then it's all because of how some supervisor judged you based on some scorecard.

00:38:59.000 It's like anything else.

00:39:00.000 You're going to get what you reward.

00:39:03.000 You're going to get what you value.

00:39:04.000 It's the reason why we keep...

00:39:06.000 Why we score tests?

00:39:08.000 It's the reason why we have points in sports.

00:39:10.000 We want to know who won and we want to reward good behavior.

00:39:13.000 We want to reward good qualities and we want to diminish bad ones.

00:39:18.000 So we're changing that standard.

00:39:19.000 We want to promote people within the State Department on the basis of how good they are at their job.

00:39:24.000 And there are different jobs people do here.

00:39:25.000 Some people are in consular affairs, which are the ones that review visas.

00:39:28.000 Some people are diplomats or economic officers, whatever it may be.

00:39:31.000 But we want people rewarded on how competent they are, how good they are at their job.

00:39:35.000 And frankly, what I think that opens the door to is the ability to promote people that maybe have been here 10 years instead of 25, but really are better than the people that have been here 25 years.

00:39:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:45.000 Otherwise, you start to lose talented workforce.

00:39:48.000 Imagine you're in the Foreign Service.

00:39:50.000 You're there for 12 years.

00:39:51.000 You realize there's another 10 years before I get promoted to anything.

00:39:54.000 And by the way, it all depends on how somebody judged me on some scorecard about whether I hit some DEI metrics.

00:40:01.000 So we're getting rid of that in terms of how we judge and analyze our workforce.

00:40:04.000 And I think it's going to give us a more accurate way to promote people.

00:40:07.000 I think it's going to help us with recruiting.

00:40:09.000 I think we're going to be able to...

00:40:10.000 People need to know that they have a chance.

00:40:12.000 If you have good talent...

00:40:13.000 To your point, they don't want to know.

00:40:16.000 And you've probably dealt with this in Congress.

00:40:18.000 I saw that all the time.

00:40:19.000 It's like people who have no business being on the most prestigious committees end up on these committees because they've been there longer.

00:40:26.000 And therefore have some sort of tenure, but they're making trillion-dollar decisions about something that they don't understand, whereas a freshman congressman, senator may end up there, but their life's work was exactly that.

00:40:36.000 So they actually know what they're talking about, but they have no chance of ending up in these places.

00:40:40.000 So it's really hard to recruit talent if they know that they may be more qualified than the people that are going to get that job, and they've got to sit there for 25 years, not because they don't deserve it, but because they just haven't been there long enough.

00:40:52.000 Yeah, and I understand.

00:40:53.000 Nobody goes into the Foreign Service thinking they're going to become millionaires working for the U.S. government.

00:40:57.000 They do it because they want to be involved in foreign policy.

00:40:59.000 They want to get around the world or what have you.

00:41:01.000 But I think we're going to have trouble attracting people to that career.

00:41:04.000 And I think we're going to have trouble retaining people in that career, given all the other opportunities that now exist out there, if they don't see a pathway to fulfillment.

00:41:13.000 Professional fulfillment.

00:41:13.000 And so I think that's going to help us do that, but I also think it's going to help us place the right people in the right places because we're going to be judging them on the basis of how good they are at their job, which really should be how we make decisions about everything.

00:41:26.000 I always go back to sports.

00:41:28.000 If you think about it, how do we judge who gets to...

00:41:30.000 Who's on the team or who gets to play?

00:41:32.000 And it's basically very simple.

00:41:34.000 And that is your performance in practice and in games that determine ultimately who you put on the field or on the court or whatever it may be.

00:41:41.000 And that's how we need to do it at all levels, including here in government.

00:41:45.000 Well, you know, I'm glad that you're making that change.

00:41:47.000 But how do you see all of that, whether it's the DEI stuff, etc.?

00:41:50.000 How does all of that tie into the scandal surrounding USAID?

00:41:54.000 What's the status of USAID today?

00:41:57.000 Is it gone?

00:41:57.000 Is what's left of it now kind of completely within your authority to oversee?

00:42:01.000 I know you've assembled a...

00:42:02.000 You know, a tough and courageous team, including top deputy Chris Landau, acting undersecretary Darren Beatty, who's been on this show many times, and others.

00:42:11.000 What's it all mean, and how do we combat that years of just insanity, actually?

00:42:18.000 Well, I think that foreign aid is something that we need to do and we're going to continue to do.

00:42:23.000 But every dollar we spend in foreign aid has to achieve at least one of three objectives.

00:42:27.000 It has to make America stronger.

00:42:29.000 It has to make America more prosperous.

00:42:31.000 Or it has to make America safer.

00:42:32.000 If the program doesn't do one of those three things, it may be a great cause.

00:42:36.000 And I encourage the Gates Foundation or charities all over the world to take it up.

00:42:40.000 But it has to be one of those three things.

00:42:42.000 I think the other big mistake that happened with foreign aid is we turned it into a tool to export our domestic Policies of the far left, right?

00:42:51.000 So the far left decided these are things that we think are good and also became cultural imperialism We began to use foreign aid not as a way to make America stronger safe for more prosperous But as a way to impose impose the domestic political agenda of the left on to foreign countries And it became a vehicle for that.

00:43:10.000 I think the third thing that developed over time is what I call the foreign aid industrial complex.

00:43:14.000 And I'm talking about dozens and dozens of these non-governmental organizations, these NGOs, that were raking in hundreds of millions of dollars to run these programs on behalf of the U.S. government.

00:43:26.000 And it came out, and this is my, maybe Samantha Powers would have said this, you have to spend, in order to get $12 million to people directly, you have to spend $100 million.

00:43:35.000 You have to spend $100 million to get $12 million out directly because you have to pay the NGO and then the subcontractor and then the sub-sub and then the sub-sub-sub.

00:43:44.000 And before you know it, you're paying Hamas, you know, to hand out food or whatever. 0.65

00:43:48.000 And that has to stop and that has to end.

00:43:50.000 So we conducted a review of 6,000 programs, almost 6,000 programs at USAID.

00:43:54.000 we identified close to 900, We canceled 5,000-some of those contracts.

00:44:03.000 And now the goal is to bring all of those programs under the State Department so that we can directly review.

00:44:09.000 Remember, USAID was separate from the State Department.

00:44:11.000 Well, it feels like that was on purpose, right?

00:44:13.000 Once it's at the NGO level, all of a sudden there's no oversight.

00:44:16.000 So who knows where that money is going?

00:44:18.000 I've always wondered as you watch.

00:44:20.000 That stuff gets discovered by Doge, and within three days, the top seven people at ActBlue, the big Democrat fundraising apparatus, all of a sudden magically disappear.

00:44:30.000 And I've always wondered for years, how is it that they're raising 5x for every congressional seat that we can run?

00:44:38.000 How is it that they're raising 10x on some of them?

00:44:40.000 Do you think there's any ties there to this money basically just being kicked back to Democrat, the fundraising apparatus and or other shady things?

00:44:49.000 Because I just don't believe in enough coincidence anymore to believe that was just magically happened at the same time.

00:44:55.000 Well, some of that's been referred to the Justice Department to look at, but what I can tell you most definitely is that there are people that have made a lot of money by being part of the foreign aid industrial complex, by being part of this network of NGOs who do things.

00:45:06.000 And then some of it, frankly, just doesn't make any sense, right?

00:45:09.000 Like, I just came back from a trip to the Caribbean where I went to Jamaica, I went to Guyana, and I went to Suriname, the Caribbean basis.

00:45:16.000 And their number one complaint...

00:45:18.000 Is that USAID-funded NGOs didn't partner with government, right?

00:45:22.000 And you even go to embassies.

00:45:24.000 By the way, this is not really well understood.

00:45:26.000 There's always been tension between State Department and USAID because there's some ambassador that's like, okay, I'm trying to get, you know, we're trying to get good relations.

00:45:33.000 The foreign policy of the U.S. is to have good relations with the leader of this country.

00:45:36.000 And then USAID operating out of their embassy is like funding the political opposition.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, or like Trans Elmo in places where let's just say that's not as popular as it is in California.

00:45:46.000 Another example, right?

00:45:47.000 These sorts of things.

00:45:48.000 The problem is that we can't even get to those schools.

00:45:58.000 Kids can't even go to school until we first get rid of the gangs that are threatening kids from going to school.

00:46:04.000 So our number one priority, if you want to help us, help us with what we need.

00:46:08.000 Don't help us with what you want.

00:46:10.000 Which is to get into these rural schools where now you start indoctrinating people on the social priorities of the far left in the United States.

00:46:17.000 It's part of that exporting of it.

00:46:19.000 So we're going to realign foreign aid.

00:46:21.000 So we're actually going to be helping countries with what they generally need.

00:46:24.000 In a lot of these countries, it's security assistance.

00:46:26.000 What they want to do is they want to be able to build up police departments and security forces so they can become self-sufficient at taking on these gangs and not require foreign aid in the future.

00:46:35.000 The best foreign aid is foreign aid that ultimately ends because it's successful.

00:46:39.000 Because you go in, you help somebody, they build up their capacity, and now they can handle it themselves and they don't need foreign aid anymore.

00:46:46.000 That's what 4N8 should be geared towards.

00:46:48.000 Not perpetual, you know, these programs exist for 25 years.

00:46:51.000 If a 4N8 program has been going on for 25 years, it has not achieved its purpose because it hasn't solved the problem. 0.50

00:46:57.000 I think that's very well said.

00:46:59.000 Unfortunately, that machine wants to keep those people employed in whatever else they're doing.

00:47:04.000 It felt like one big grift, kickback apparatus.

00:47:10.000 Perhaps it's incompetence, but I don't believe that either.

00:47:13.000 I think these people have been very well entrenched.

00:47:15.000 I'm really glad to see you taking all of that on.

00:47:18.000 As we wrap, because I know your time is a little limited today, I do want to say what an incredible job I think you're doing with this.

00:47:24.000 It's been so great to see this cabinet, People just getting together and not sort of taking on the positions that they would have otherwise.

00:47:33.000 And I think even your worldview, JD's worldview, so many of these guys probably has really evolved over the last 10 years.

00:47:39.000 I'd love to hear how you see that happening, but also how you'd like to sort of assess the almost first 100 days and what do you see in store for the next 100?

00:47:49.000 Yeah, first of all, our worldview should always be under examination because the world is constantly changing.

00:47:54.000 Like, anyone who has the same worldview today that they had 15 years ago is lost because the world looks nothing like it did 15 years ago.

00:48:01.000 So, as circumstances change, the way you approach the world has to change.

00:48:04.000 We're in a very different era.

00:48:06.000 15, 20 years ago, we were the sole unipower force in the world.

00:48:10.000 We took on a lot of causes because nobody else could.

00:48:12.000 The world looks a little different right now for a lot of different reasons.

00:48:15.000 So I think it's been a very busy, you know, clearly, like I was just saying before we went on the air here with this, that, you know, every day here feels like six months worth of work on every front.

00:48:24.000 As you know, the president is pushing very hard on every front to get everything done.

00:48:28.000 And I think he has two advantages.

00:48:29.000 The first is he was president.

00:48:30.000 So it's been the fastest transition you've ever seen because there was no on-the-job learning here.

00:48:35.000 It was go.

00:48:36.000 I think the team is also a very good team of people that have known each other for a long time.

00:48:41.000 I mean, if I look at this cabinet meeting, I look around the room, I've known almost everyone in that room for at least a decade.

00:48:46.000 And you have had relationships with them even before they were in government.

00:48:50.000 Pete Hegseth, I've known for a long time.

00:48:52.000 You know, you name him.

00:48:52.000 You go to Pam Bondi's from Florida.

00:48:54.000 I've known her for almost 20 years.

00:48:55.000 These are people you've worked with before, and they're all aligned with the president's vision.

00:48:59.000 I think the first time, in the first term, not to be critical of anybody, but I think the president, you know, he wins the election, and then he sort of said, they sort of bring in people and say, look, these are the people in the Republican Party that do this kind of stuff.

00:49:09.000 I think now, having the advantage, you know, of having been there before and so forth, he had the ability to put together a team of people who are responsive to the president's tasking.

00:49:18.000 To the extent that it's not even a problem.

00:49:20.000 To the extent that I would say, well, what have been the challenges?

00:49:22.000 The challenges is we're moving so fast.

00:49:25.000 There's so much to do.

00:49:27.000 Everyone is so eager to deliver that, you know, you need 26 or 27 hours in the day because we work for someone that apparently has found a way to fit 27 hours in a 24 hour day in terms of how he works.

00:49:38.000 And so but it's exciting to be a part of you.

00:49:41.000 We truly feel like we are making changes and decisions today in the positions we're in that are going to dramatically improve our country and life in America.

00:49:53.000 Like, we feel like we're about on achieving that, not just here in the State Department, but on matters of trade, international relations, domestic economics, rebuilding our industrial capacity.

00:50:02.000 And I think the president's assembled a great team to do it.

00:50:05.000 And obviously, you know, he's always pushing hard, you know, better than anyone.

00:50:11.000 It doesn't matter how many wins you rack up.

00:50:17.000 If you get that call at 6 a.m., what have you done for me lately, Mark?

00:50:21.000 Why are we not undefeated?

00:50:22.000 And why didn't we win by 20 instead of 15?

00:50:24.000 You know, we got the championship.

00:50:25.000 Oh, you know, but why didn't we win by 20 or 25?

00:50:27.000 And it's good.

00:50:28.000 You know, that's the way you push the envelope and that's the way you achieve excellence.

00:50:32.000 Well, Secretary Rubio, thank you so much for the time.

00:50:34.000 I really appreciate it.

00:50:35.000 Keep up the great work.

00:50:36.000 I look forward to seeing so many more great things coming out of the State Department and so much more.

00:50:40.000 Awesome. Thank you.

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