Mark Morgan is a retired FBI special agent who served in major roles at the FBI, led an anti-MS-13 gang task force, and later was in charge of FBI Training. He was at the Border Patrol as a chief under both Obama and Trump, and was the Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection under Trump. In this episode, he talks about the ongoing immigration crisis at the border, the FBI's cover-up of the so-called "Collusion" with the DOJ, and why he thinks it's a good idea to have a Border Patrol agent on the show. Plus, we talk about Adidas's new women's swimsuit line, the State Department's new anti-gay conversion therapy efforts, and how the left is taking over all of our institutions. And, of course, we have a special guest on this week's HAPPY BIRTHDAY WHO COULDN'T TELL ME WHAT'S HAPPENING in the world! Welcome back to another episode of "Thanks For In" - RUMBLE! - R.I.P Pete Buttigieg! Subscribe to "RUMBLE" Subscribe on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Rate, review and subscribe to "Good Mythical Podcasts" in our new podcast Listen to "The Ringer" Subscribe to our new show "The Dark Side Of" Subscribe and Share the Ringer Podcast! Subscribe to my Podcast! If you like what you're listening to, share it on your podcast and share it with a friend, leave us a review and tell a friend about what you think about it's great, rating and review it on iTunes or review it's cool, rating it on Instapod or whatever else you do it - we'll be listening to it on social media you're clicking it on it's best listening to you'll get the most awesome podcasting opportunity! and more! Thank you for listening and reviewing it! Timestamps: 5 stars is a star rating and a review is a review on iTunes? 6 stars is much appreciated! 7 stars is more than you'll be helping me spread the word out there about this podcast? 8 stars is very helpful than you can help me spread it out there! 9 stars is really helpful, right? I'll be looking out there's more than I can say that I'm listening to me out there and I'm looking out for you?
00:00:37.000He served in major roles at the FBI. He led an anti-MS-13 gang task force and later was in charge of FBI training.
00:00:49.000After the FBI, Mark Morgan ran all three major immigration agencies.
00:00:55.000He was at the Border Patrol as a chief under both Obama and my father, your favorite president, Donald Trump.
00:01:02.000He ran ICE under Trump and he was the Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection under Trump.
00:01:09.000Given everything that's going on in the world, given the insanity that we're seeing between the FBI, the testimony The falseness, all of the stuff that's coming out of the Durham report, the witness tampering as far as I'm concerned, and the intimidation of whistleblowers, as well as the crisis at the border that is skyrocketing and now at the end of Title 42 going to be so much worse.
00:01:35.000I think Mark is going to be the perfect guy.
00:01:37.000The FBI and the border are so much in the news.
00:04:47.000So out of curiosity, folks, I think I know what he's trying to do, but I think he's also an idiot.
00:04:57.000Does he realize that he just came out against practices to change a person's gender and sex characteristics?
00:05:06.000Isn't that what they're trying to do to our three-year-olds?
00:05:09.000Isn't that what they're trying to make normal?
00:05:11.000Isn't that the practice that they're trying to get, you know, carve parents out of to allow a three-year-old to mutilate their body and change their sex characteristics?
00:05:26.000This is just another example of left-wing logic that flies in the face of reality, but that's never going to stop that.
00:05:34.000And that brings us to Wired Magazine, which just published what could only be called a love letter to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
00:05:46.000The article goes on and on about how damn smart Pete Buttigieg is.
00:05:53.000Even though everything under the control of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg seems to be a disaster.
00:06:00.000You guys remember the train derailments and the air traffic control disasters and East Palestine, Ohio, and all of these things.
00:06:15.000A supply chain crisis affecting 360 million Americans.
00:06:20.000But, you know, Pete Buttigieg had plenty of time to take some paternity leave and chest feed while Americans sat there not being able to access goods and services.
00:06:33.000Some of the experts from this article I think you'll appreciate.
00:06:36.000Sure, the U.S. Secretary of Transportation has thoughts on building bridges, but infrastructure occupies just a sliver of his voluminous mind.
00:06:49.000As Secretary Buttigieg and I talked in his under-furnished corner office one afternoon in early spring, I slowly became aware that his cabinet job requires only a modest portion of his cognitive powers.
00:07:03.000Really? It would be nice if he did his freaking job.
00:07:08.000If he actually fixed our infrastructure.
00:07:11.000If he wasn't talking about racist roads and again, taking paternity leave while Americans are left on the hook.
00:07:19.000But no, no, no. Wired Magazine sees it differently.
00:07:22.000He is doing a wonderful job despite the very obvious disasters in our transportation department.
00:07:31.000Again, air traffic control, racist highways, all of the nonsense that we've seen out of this guy.
00:07:38.000But no, no, no, he's a brilliant mind.
00:07:41.000Even if he's failing, it doesn't matter.
00:07:44.000He's Pete Buttigieg. He checks off a lot of boxes.
00:07:47.000We're going to turn him into a brilliant hero doing a wonderful job, even if the statistics would say otherwise.
00:07:55.000And I quote, with a remarkable blend of intellect and empathy, Pete Buttigieg brings a fresh perspective to the forefront of public discourse.
00:08:22.000You can still be called a once-in-a-generation genius.
00:08:27.000Of course, the press would rather fawn over Pete Buttigieg than talk about the other things going on in our government like the scandals at the FBI. Today, the Select Subcommittee on Weaponization revealed mountains of evidence of the FBI's weaponization against conservatives.
00:08:46.000For example, An FBI whistleblower revealed that an agent at the D.C. office said there were likely FBI undercover officers and confidential human sources at January 6th.
00:09:00.000Watch for yourself. The Washington field office was putting on Boston, and when they tried to get predicate evidence, they couldn't get it for a very interesting reason.
00:09:09.000This is George Hill. Joe Bonneville wants to say no, we're not opening up cases of people who went to a rally.
00:09:24.000Show us where they were inside the Capitol, and we'll look into it.
00:09:28.000To which WFO said, we can't show you those videos unless you can tell us the exact time and place those individuals were inside the Capitol.
00:09:37.000To which the SSA responded back, and I was privy to these conversations firsthand.
00:09:45.000Why can't you just send us the Wait, wait a second, folks. Just hold on a second.
00:10:11.000I was told We were all told that that was a crazy conspiracy.
00:10:17.000Like the entrapment with Gretchen Whitmer and all those things led by the FBI. It seems they're spending more time trying to create crimes than they are actually solving or preventing them.
00:10:32.000The report issued by the committee also found the following.
00:10:36.000The FBI opened investigations on 138 American citizens who merely took buses to DC on January 6th to go to a peaceful rally beforehand.
00:10:49.000They weren't involved at all in any criminal activity, but that doesn't stop the FBI. We've talked about this on the show, right?
00:10:57.000If your grandmother was within a thousand miles of D.C., she got a visit.
00:11:04.000They get a pass. You guys saw, obviously, this week in the Durham report, the FBI and the leaders of that organization could conspire against the duly elected president of the United States in a soft coup, but that doesn't matter.
00:11:46.000If they were asked, it would be really bad, but they voluntarily gave it over just in case someone spent something near D.C. Maybe someone who also at one point in their life bought a gun That would signal that maybe they're a conservative.
00:12:00.000If you don't think this is going to happen again and again unless we put a stop to it ourselves, you haven't been watching that closely.
00:14:04.000Thank you. I mean, you know, I'm looking forward to the Wire magazine article calling, I believe that's Congresswoman Linda Sanchez, a genius.
00:14:33.000It has nothing to do with the people they're even questioning.
00:14:35.000But hey, if it's a good soundbite, why not just run with it?
00:14:38.000The media will make me look like a hero.
00:14:41.000And meanwhile, when are we going to get some accountability for all of these Democrat bad actors who continue to push one lie and one hoax after another?
00:14:54.000Friend of the show, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna is actually introducing legislation to do just that.
00:15:01.000She introduced a resolution to remove lying Adam Full of Schiff, many call him, and many others
00:15:09.000call him Adam Bullschiff, from Congress for pushing the Russia hoax, pushing a lie that
00:15:15.000was used as the basis to launch a soft coup against President Trump and wasting millions
00:15:28.000He just never met a camera he didn't love.
00:15:30.000And they would gladly go along with any lie that he pushed.
00:15:35.000When I did my own congressional testimony in front of his House Intelligence Committee, and the irony that this guy could sit on the House Intelligence Committee is something else, I remember getting out at the end of the day, myself, my lawyers.
00:15:49.000We couldn't even bring phones into the building.
00:15:51.000We had to have them in separate locked rooms.
00:15:53.000And yet, I got out of those things after like 12 hours of being grilled.
00:15:58.000And I opened my Twitter account at 7.30, and amazingly enough, every hour of the hour, there was an update on CNN and other leftist organizations during our bathroom breaks, while that piece of garbage leaked and lied.
00:16:11.000I remember, he must have been the guy that changed some of the emails that I had, where they removed the date for congressional testimony, then leaked it to the press.
00:16:18.000They changed the date. They got rid of, like, think of it like a 14, right?
00:16:22.000August 14th, they get rid of the 1 to make it seem like it's a 4, so I apparently had something.
00:16:28.000You know, six days before rather than four days after the rest of the world.
00:16:32.000That's how bad these guys are, and yet there is no accountability.
00:16:36.000It didn't matter. They lied to the American public.
00:17:27.0002021. The fentanyl is just pouring in.
00:17:32.000Since Joe Biden took office, 3,925 pounds of fentanyl have been seized at the southern border.
00:17:41.000For perspective, so you understand that number, so you understand what 3,925 pounds of fentanyl can do, that's enough fentanyl to kill 8.6 billion, with a B, billion people.
00:18:14.000It's that simple. When you allow a border to be that porous, to be overrun, it's not just cheap labor for your donors coming across the border, as one of the Democratic Congresswomen from Florida said.
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00:21:16.000And now I'm excited to bring on a great patriot, someone who gets what's going on at the border, someone who gets what's going on within the FBI, Mark Morgan.
00:21:27.000Mark, thanks so much for joining us here today.
00:21:29.000I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Don.
00:21:32.000It's great. Well, so let's start first with the border, right?
00:21:36.000I mean, you've overseen three of the three agencies that really, you know, control, you know, what's going on down there.
00:21:44.000But somehow it seems to be getting more chaotic.
00:21:47.000You worked under both Obama and Trump.
00:21:50.000You worked under both of those administrations.
00:21:52.000You know, I'm sure you'll get criticized for having worked under Trump, but you were fine under Obama because, you know, that's the way it goes.
00:22:00.000Can you compare and contrast How those administrations and how those policies differed, and then perhaps how much worse it's gotten now under Joe Biden.
00:22:11.000Yeah, Don, look, that's a great question that I don't get asked enough.
00:22:14.000And there is a very distinct difference.
00:22:15.000Now, make no mistake, even when I was Chief of Border Patrol under the Obama administration, a lot of people don't remember then Secretary Mayorkas was the Deputy Secretary of DHS. So I kind of reported directly to him.
00:22:27.000And then, of course, Jay Johnson was the secretary.
00:22:30.000I disagree, honestly, with the majority of policies that they had.
00:22:37.000Is that I didn't see them just blanketly lie to the American people.
00:22:42.000Their policies, although I disagreed with them, they were still trying to come up with some policies that still were balancing their ideology with respect to the importance of securing our border to stop the drugs and criminals and national security threats pouring in, as you described. I'll give you one example.
00:23:00.000Then-Secretary Jay Johnson said a thousand illegal alien apprehensions a day was a bad day.
00:23:07.000A thousand. And I know it was a bad day because I was too cheap then.
00:23:10.000And anytime we had that, it was a bad day for all of us.
00:23:12.000Now, I mean, the average of 26 months, we're averaging 5, 6, 7,000 a day for the past 26 months.
00:23:22.000And the other big difference, besides not only did they inherit the most secure board in our lifetime, And intentionally unsecured it, but they're just lying to the American people about it.
00:23:33.000I mean, literally everything that comes out of Secretary Mayorka's mouth about the border security is an abject lie.
00:23:39.000And by the way, what's interesting about it, it's not like there's nuance to it, right?
00:23:44.000It's just flagrantly like, wow, there's nothing we can do!
00:23:48.000It's almost like, well, there's nothing we can...
00:23:50.000At this point, it's hard to imagine that it's not just tacit acceptance, but not tacit acceptance because there's nothing they can do, but they don't want to do anything about it.
00:24:00.000They're happy to do that. They want to overwhelm the system.
00:24:03.000And do this. I assume it's about changing demographics in the country.
00:24:06.000I assume it's about sort of flooding certain areas, and that way you can change the census numbers and get more Democrat representatives.
00:24:12.000Because it can't be anything else, because it feels like the solution is so simple.
00:24:17.000Trump, you know, and you guys were there, you know, Trump came in, he instituted policies that worked.
00:25:05.000Here's the facts. Here's the facts, Don.
00:25:07.000Is that under President Trump, we had established the most secure border in our lifetime.
00:25:13.000And every single data point, in fact, bears that out.
00:25:17.000We had established a network of tools, authorities, and policies.
00:25:20.000And I want to be clear, not because of Congress.
00:25:23.000Even though the Republicans had the first two years of the White House, the House, and Senate, they failed to pass a single piece of border security legislation.
00:26:13.000I agree 100%. There's no other logical conclusion that you could draw why any administration Would intentionally unsecure our borders to let drugs, criminals, and national security threats pour in, except they have a perceived political benefit.
00:26:30.000It's either because illegal aliens are counted as part of the census, and there's a real redistricting going to happen in favor of the Democrats, and they believe every single illegal alien they find a pathway to citizenship is going to equate to a Democratic vote.
00:26:43.000So this is about ideology and politics, and they're jeopardizing our nation's safety and national security.
00:26:49.000It's disgusting. Well, it really is, especially, you know, again, it's not like it's like, again, I don't think we're getting a lot of people's finest.
00:26:57.000You know, I spoke with a governor, actually, of one of the states.
00:27:02.000I was down there recently looking at it, and he's, you know, they're catching Chinese nationals, Russian nationals, again, people on the terror watch list.
00:27:11.000Like, what do they think is going to happen?
00:27:13.000And again, that's before you see the record-breaking number of deaths from fentanyl.
00:27:18.000Which is just pouring across that border.
00:27:20.000I mean, they legitimately do have blood on their hands, and yet the media is, you know, they're going along with the ruse that there's nothing we can do.
00:27:28.000I mean, the border wall could be completed with $3 billion.
00:27:34.000Like, the material is resting there in storage.
00:27:36.000They're paying to store the material that could be used to finish the wall, but we have 130 to send to Ukraine to protect their border.
00:27:44.000It's mind-blowing, but I mean, they're acting as though they're the enemy of the people.
00:27:49.000I mean, they're doing more damage and the fentanyl is doing more damage than enemy combatants to this country at this point.
00:27:56.000Yeah, that's absolutely right. Look, they blame everybody but themselves.
00:27:59.000And now, I mean, for the past 27 months, of course, they blame President Trump, which is a complete lie.
00:28:05.000And now, you know, the new mantra is they're blaming Congress.
00:28:08.000But the irony to that is, let's not forget, who owned the House and the Senate for the past two years and the White House?
00:28:15.000The Democrats. Number two is the reality is on day one, President Biden came in.
00:28:21.000He signed over 300 executive orders with respect to immigration and border security that dismantled everything and then some that I talk about.
00:28:28.000So it's a lie on top of a lie on top of a lie.
00:28:31.000And here's what's really important for anyone listening right now.
00:28:34.000You've hit on the three elements, and this is very important because this is how this works.
00:28:38.000When you incentivize, encourage, and reward illegal immigration, So we've had over 6 million total encounters in 27 months.
00:28:46.000Catastrophic insanity. It's nowhere been anywhere near that in any time in our history.
00:28:52.000What happens is Border Patrol resources are pulled off the line.
00:28:55.000They're relegated to administrative duties to catch and releasing millions of illegal aliens.
00:28:59.000The borders are unmanned, unpatrolled.
00:29:02.000We've literally handed operational control over the cartels, Don, for them to exploit.
00:29:06.000And what happens? Again, you don't have to be border security expert.
00:29:11.000That 100,000 number, I think it's very important we put it in perspective.
00:29:15.000100,000 Americans have died from drug overdose and poisoning.
00:29:17.000That's more Americans than died from all the terrorist attacks, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, and Vietnam Wars combined in a 12-month period.
00:29:26.000And then, like you said, the terrorists.
00:29:28.000Right now, hundreds of illegal aliens on the FBI's terrorist screening database have been recovered by Border Patrol.
00:29:35.000The issue is 1.7 million total gotaways in 27 months.
00:29:41.000So the question isn't how many we've apprehended.
00:29:44.000The question is, how many potential terrorists are among the 1.7 million total gotaways?
00:29:49.000Literally, Don, we could have the next terrorist sleeper cell in our country planning the next large-scale terrorist attack.
00:29:55.000We have no idea. And the last point that there isn't enough talk about are the criminals.
00:30:00.000Think about that. The 1.7 million total gotaways, there are murderers, rapists, pedophiles, aggravated felons, and MS-13 gang members that are pouring into our country every single day, making their way to every town, city, and state, calling home.
00:30:15.000I'm literally just, the reason I'm looking down, I'm looking at some of the comments, you know, lady on here, you know, my niece died of fentanyl.
00:30:21.000I think we all know someone who's died of fentanyl.
00:31:29.000I love it. One of my tours as an FBI agent, I was actually a special agent in charge of their El Paso division.
00:31:36.000On the border, literally from my office, I could see Juarez.
00:31:38.000The first thing is, John, we have to change fundamentally how we view Mexico.
00:31:42.000They're not a partner, and they haven't been a partner for a very long time.
00:31:47.000So first of all, we have to fundamentally shift that.
00:31:49.000And second of all, we have to understand that not only does the Mexican government not have the political will to go after the cartels, but now we're in a position, and I know this.
00:31:59.000I, again, I've worked it, multiple agencies.
00:32:27.000We have to fundamentally shift how we go after them.
00:32:29.000We have to go after the cartels with the same whole-of-government approach, resource commitment, tenacity that we do terrorist organizations.
00:32:36.000And that includes military intervention.
00:32:38.000Now, I'm not saying we roll tanks and we start dropping nukes on there.
00:32:42.000That's not what I'm saying. But we can use surgical precision military kinetic operations to We're good to go.
00:33:02.000Yeah, well, and that's the interesting thing.
00:33:04.000I mean, you talk about they don't have the capability.
00:33:06.000You're right. I mean, you're seeing, you know, the cartels are not just taking out, you know, local police officers and those agencies.
00:33:12.000They own them. People are on the payroll.
00:33:15.000But they're doing the same within the military.
00:33:17.000I mean, they're more sophisticated than the Mexican military.
00:33:19.000And again, they probably have people on the payroll.
00:34:22.000They take terrorist organizations' playbook and they institute it.
00:34:26.000I mean, the death and destruction that they're doing to this country rivals any terrorist organizations' threat that poses to this country.
00:34:36.000And yet we sit back and we just keep doing the same thing.
00:34:39.000And, oh, this administration, oh, we're going to get tough on the smugglers.
00:34:42.000I mean, first of all, if we learned anything from 9-11, I was in the FBI when that happened.
00:34:46.000We transformed fundamentally from a reactive law enforcement organization and mindset to an intelligence-driven, preventative, proactive organization.
00:34:57.000That's the same approach we need to take with the cartels.
00:35:39.000That's why, I mean, it's so mind-blowing, because again, it's the kind of thing that if you presented the problem to a five-year-old, they could come up with a reasonable solution, and that's without any sophisticated knowledge of how it even works, and yet you give it to...
00:36:21.000Don, I absolutely agree with you, and that's not hyperbole.
00:36:25.000And the reason why I say this is because he knows.
00:36:28.000They were warned during the transition.
00:36:30.000They were warned. We gave them over 200 briefings.
00:36:33.000The majority of them were on border security.
00:36:35.000We told them, if you do even a small amount of what you said you were going to do during the campaign, you will unsecure our borders.
00:36:42.000You will cause a catastrophic crisis of one we've never seen in our lifetime.
00:36:46.000They ignored our ones, they ignored border security experts, and they did it anyway, and this is what we happened.
00:36:51.000If this was done by incompetence, okay, I probably wouldn't say this.
00:36:55.000I'd say they need to go, but I wouldn't say there's blood on their hands.
00:36:58.000Because they knew, because they were warned, because they did this intentional, this is why I agree with you 100% that blood is on their hands.
00:37:04.000Look, we talk a lot about drugs and national security threats.
00:37:06.000Let me give you another quick stat on criminals.
00:37:09.000So from 2011 to 2022, 261,000 criminal illegal aliens He committed 433,000 crimes, including 800 homicides, 800 kidnappings, and 5,000 assaults.
00:37:53.000But you also see some of these things, you know.
00:37:55.000Guy that's been deported 17 times and has raped numerous people and murdered someone, like, they would rather release him than prosecute him.
00:38:03.000Because it's like, if you're an illegal alien and you're a criminal, you are treated better than an American citizen.
00:38:11.000They are giving you more of a benefit of a doubt than you would...
00:38:14.000As a law-abiding citizen, a taxpayer of the United States of America, they want to let him go, I guess, because it doesn't hurt their statistics as badly, because it's so obvious what's going on that they just want to try to pad that file.
00:38:27.000But every time I read a report, I'm like, well, this guy's been deported 17 times last week.
00:38:32.000The guy, you know, he killed his neighbors and their 8-year-old child because they asked him not to fire guns while the kid was sleeping at night in his backyard.
00:38:41.000I'm like, He just goes and murders them.
00:39:02.000But if you're that, we can't make it look worse than it is.
00:39:07.000It's insane. Yeah, and Donta, to footstep what we said about that scumbag that you're talking about, so he'd been deported three times.
00:39:15.000Local law enforcement had been called out there before.
00:39:18.000Now, I don't blame them because even if they had called, even if they knew he was an illegal alien, and they would have called ICE under Secretary Mayorkas, he wouldn't have been a priority.
00:39:27.000ICE would have said, eh, not a problem.
00:39:29.000Our secretary says that man wouldn't have been a priority because being in the country illegally, Doesn't mean anything under the secretary because he views the law as a mere advisory opinion.
00:39:40.000So I'll go back. That's exactly why I say blood is on his hands.
00:39:43.000Because I wasn't even looking for a guy like that.
00:39:46.000And you're absolutely right. Our borders policies are absolutely representation of America last.
00:39:53.000I mean, you talk about, how many stories, how many, I mean, there's actually an organization, every day, there's actually an organization in America called AVIAC, Advocates for Victims of Illegal Aliens.
00:40:35.000The last 27 months, CBP has recovered over 1,600 dead migrants.
00:40:40.000We know 30% of young women and children are sexually assaulted on a journey.
00:40:44.000And you mentioned in your monologue, in your opening, once they even get to the United States, then untold numbers are thrust into the life of trafficking, labor and sex.
00:41:18.000I mean, think about how brutal that is, what that does.
00:41:21.000And it's only because we've rolled out the welcome mat.
00:41:25.000Many of them come because they're like, okay, we're going to get free education, we're going to have free healthcare, we're going to be welcomed in there.
00:42:27.000That's why I always say people ask me how I'm doing.
00:42:30.000I say, hey, look, every day I wake up angry, pissed off and frustrated, right?
00:42:33.000It's because they intentionally destroy and they're lying to the American people.
00:42:38.000It's all BS. It's just one big, large, false narrative and lie.
00:42:43.000I mean, they keep trying to feign this like they care about the immigrants.
00:42:47.000They don't give a crap about the immigrants coming here.
00:42:50.000I remember Joe Biden in this creepy way leaned into the microphone and said, do you really think that these migrants would come here and risk their lives?
00:42:59.000Yes, yes, because you have told the entire world, come, come.
00:43:03.000If you make it to the U.S. border, if you set one foot on American soil, we're going to let you in.
00:43:09.000No questions asked. We're going to reward you and never deport you.
00:43:12.000You're damn right they're going to risk everything, including their lives, because you've told them it's worth it.
00:43:17.000If you take away those incentives, like, for example, if you in catch or release, look, you send a medical, you don't have to be a border security expert.
00:43:24.000If you stop releasing illegal aliens in the United States, shocker, wait for it, they'll stop coming.
00:43:29.000They stop coming, their lives will be spared, and we'll be able to secure the border.
00:45:29.000Oklahoma, from the moment the drugs are manufactured in Mexico and they come across our border, they already know exactly what routes they're going to take to get the drugs into the state of Oklahoma.
00:45:41.000The entire state is divided up into regions, and the drugs go into those regions, and then, of course, the gangs take their drugs and they distribute them through the community.
00:45:49.000It's that simple. It's done all day long, all night long.
00:45:53.000Well, you know, in working at, you know, obviously you see some of the stuff, you know, yeah, rape, murder, control.
00:45:59.000You know, I mean, if that's their motto and their credo, I mean, these are, you know, again, as my father would say, not their finest that they're sending over here.
00:46:21.000But Do you have any of the sort of horror stories, just so people understand, again, just how bad these people are, just how vicious and violent they are.
00:46:35.000Just to set that example in the tone, because most people, oh yeah, they're bad people.
00:46:40.000It's not like there's a level where it's so much further than that.
00:46:45.000Again, I think you need that sometimes to understand just how evil this all is.
00:46:50.000Yeah, think of the worst thing that you could do to human beings, and they've done it.
00:46:54.000Whether that's burn people alive, behead them, institute a ritual of raping female gang members as initiation.
00:47:03.000I mean, Don, it goes on. Think of the worst that any human being could do to another.
00:47:11.000They have no respect for law enforcement, unlike the The Italian mafia who always had this kind of love-hate relationship, but they respected police for doing their job.
00:47:30.000They crossed the border into California and killed the baby of someone, you know, and then just went back and it was like that was the lesson.
00:47:36.000Like, they're doing that on U.S. soil.
00:47:38.000They're not just being evil in Mexico.
00:47:40.000They're doing it across the border indiscriminately.
00:47:42.000That's correct. Without even blinking an eye, Don, that's absolutely correct.
00:47:46.000That's why I say they are the most prolific, dangerous, violent transnational gang operating in the United States that we've ever seen.
00:47:53.000So if you were in Mayorkas' shoes today, if you could take over that role, what are the things that you'd institute right away to just start shutting this down?
00:48:02.000Because I feel like there's a point where it's like, you allow it to go on, you let the cartels build up that much money.
00:48:08.000It becomes much harder To stop that, the bigger these organizations become, the more entrenched, the more money they have.
00:48:15.000The technology I hear about them using, they're almost on par with what we have in terms of the technology, at least based on what I read.
00:48:25.000It's not like when we went to Afghanistan, you fight at night because we have night vision and these sorts of things.
00:48:30.000The gangs have drones and night vision and this.
00:48:34.000It's going to make it a lot harder to take it back over if and when we get control again.
00:48:38.000Yeah, that's right. Make no mistake, the cartels are a peril-military organization, and they're armed as such, they have a hierarchy as such, and they're organized as such, and they are extremely effective.
00:48:48.000If I was Secretary Mayorkas, Don, the first thing I'd do is I'd fire myself.
00:48:52.000And then, you know, if that didn't happen, here's the thing.
00:48:57.000Let's secure the border, because if you secure the border, I'm not trying to be tongue-in-cheek here.
00:49:00.000If you secure the border, you're going to take a very important funding mechanism away from the cartels.
00:49:07.000So if you, one of the aspects to defeat the cartels, you got to attack them where the money, you got to hit them where it hurts.
00:49:13.000And so if you secure the border, and we can do that.
00:49:15.000Look, I say this all the time too, I'm not just saying because I'm on with you, I say it everywhere else, is all they have to do is reach up to the shelf, look for the binder that says Trump border security plan, pull that off, dust it off, re-implement it.
00:49:29.000Re-institute the safe third country agreements.
00:49:32.000Start building the wall. Re-institute the Remain in Mexico program.
00:49:35.000Give ICE back their authority to conduct interior enforcement to remove criminal aliens.
00:49:40.000You just start with that. There's a whole other stuff that we did.
00:49:43.000You start with that. You're going to see illegal immigration drop.
00:49:46.000You're going to see border security go up in just a couple of months.
00:49:49.000That's going to hurt the cartels financially.
00:49:51.000And then on top of that, as a country, we need to fundamentally shift how we go after the cartels.
00:49:56.000We need to go after them the same way we do terrorist organizations.
00:49:59.000Yeah, no, yeah. Remember, I heard that they are not the biggest threat to America.
00:50:05.000It's white supremacists or something like that.
00:50:08.000I mean, you know, you can't make this stuff up anymore.
00:50:11.000But speaking of, like, just sort of insanity, today, literally today, several FBI whistleblowers came Forward to Congress to give testimony in which they described retaliation by the FBI, by the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
00:50:27.000One agent said that the FBI suspended his security clearance due to him forwarding along information that questions the prevailing narrative of January 6th.
00:50:41.000As someone who also, again, not just Border Patrol and all of the agencies surrounding, but that was also in the FBI dealing with this stuff, what do you make of the FBI today?
00:51:13.000Another former colleague who spent 22 years in the FBI, we ask each other the same question.
00:51:20.000I'm not sure. Because here, I'm going to say something that's very hard for me, is because I think what's happened, it all started with Comey, is it's not just about the leadership.
00:52:16.000A big chunk of America, their trust has fundamentally eroded in the FBI. And today, to hear these multiple whistleblowers, look, we can have discussion, you know, and investigate whether is there truth to that.
00:53:04.000I wish it was just the guys at the top like Comey.
00:53:07.000Now, again, I always make the distinction between the door kickers because I can't tell you the amount of times I go somewhere and I'm like, hey, man, I'm an FBI agent.
00:53:16.000But, you know, the people who would say something, the people who are clearly conservative, the people who...
00:53:21.000They also know that if they do say something, they're never getting promoted.
00:53:25.000If you've got the woke ideology, it's like the woke military.
00:53:42.000If they're shutting out FBI agents for questioning, isn't it your job to kind of get to the bottom of it?
00:53:49.000And now that we know, two years later, now that we've seen the video, I'm like, wait a minute.
00:53:53.000I don't know that too many people, other than the media and the sheep, many of which are in this country, unfortunately, it was the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world, and we must believe that this was...
00:54:08.000They didn't do this. And it's hard to figure out for the first couple days, but after two years of not releasing anything, after two years of American citizens not getting due process, and they still want to expand the web to find more of those people, knowing now the insanity of this.
00:54:24.000But Comey can partake with Obama, with Hillary, with everyone to subvert the duly elected president of the United States.
00:55:05.000And there is, look, you're right, the vast majority of the door kickers, the line agents and analysts and television professional support, they're right on and they're good.
00:55:15.000But you're right. Look, I've been in that environment.
00:55:18.000And you know, if the culture is going one way and you want to continue to have a decent career, you're just going to keep your head down.
00:55:25.000You're going to shut up. That's bad for any organization.
00:55:27.000I think there's a lot of that going on in the FBI. And let's not forget, you know, January 6th, what I think a lot of times, unfortunately, has been lost in the narrative, is the riots in 2020.
00:55:37.000I was commissioner at the time in, you know, the Portland, the federal Hatfield Courthouse in Portland, Oregon, every single night.
00:55:45.000Here's why, in part, the American people have developed this distrust in the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:55:52.000You know, in 2020, There were criminal opportunists attacking the federal courthouse every single night.
00:55:58.000Don, they were literally trying to burn it to the ground, throwing Molokov cocktails.
00:56:02.000They were assaulting federal agents every single night.
00:56:09.000And to my knowledge, there hasn't been one single federal investigation with respect to criminal opportunists literally trying to burn down a federal courthouse.
00:56:18.000The last time I checked, that's also an important symbolism of American justice.
00:56:22.000So, you know, when I saw this today, and I saw Democrats attacking these individuals that have come forward, you said another thing that's very important.
00:56:31.000I mean, an FBI agent, part of what we do is investigate to ask questions.
00:56:38.000Right? No, you must, Mark, you must just take the talking points put forth by someone who's not actually in law enforcement, but, you know, Adam Schiff or one of the other liars in Congress, and you must blindly follow it.
00:56:55.000I mean, you know, I'd love your thoughts on sort of the whole entrapment scheme around, you know, the fake Gretchen Whitmer, governor of Michigan, kidnapping.
00:57:06.000Clear. I mean, it's not even, like, it's not an exaggeration or hyperbole.
00:57:10.000There were teams of FBI agents that could be actually investigating real crimes.
00:57:15.000They could be trying to prevent things like, you know, the Wisconsin Christmas Parade massacre from a black supremacist, someone who'd been on social media actively promoting these things.
00:57:27.000You know, but when that happens, it was a car that drove through a parade, not a racist individual.
00:57:33.000They were on the radar, but, you know, we checked a couple boxes, so we couldn't actually investigate it.
00:57:38.000If they spend as much time trying to prevent actual crimes as they do seemingly trying to entrap people and push them into committing them...
00:57:53.000I was like, we had 30 people trying to convince, like, one meth head to do something, and, like, for a two-year period of time, and that's what you're doing with your time?
00:58:02.000Yeah, yeah. It doesn't feel like it's good use of resources.
00:58:05.000Well, look, as I'm listening to you, I mean, you're making the case why a large chunk of the American people have developed a distrust in the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:58:17.000Everything you just said, that's not hyperbole.
00:58:28.000Look, I was a commissioner of CBP, a law enforcement organization, almost twice the size of the FBI. If I was the FBI agent right now, what I would have done the day after the Durham report was released, I would have held a national press conference.
00:58:40.000And I would have talked directly to the American people.
00:58:42.000And I would have said, yep, we failed.
00:58:48.000Here's what we're doing. I wouldn't just generically say it.
00:58:50.000I'd give them specific details, especially about the FISA and the red flags and the safeguards we put in place.
00:58:55.000And here's what I would do most importantly.
00:58:57.000What I was hearing when you were talking is I would acknowledge the American people have lost trust in the FBI. Look, whether he agrees with it, whether he likes it, whether he thinks it's right or justified, it's It doesn't freaking matter.
00:59:19.000And the other thing that I would do, these whistleblowers, is as a director, I would also say, and to the American people, here's what I'm promising you.
00:59:27.000I am going to support and I'm going to drive an independent investigation into every single one of these complaints by these proven patriots.
00:59:36.000And I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
00:59:38.000And at the end of the day, I'm going to make those investigations public.
00:59:42.000That's what we need to hear from the FBI to remotely begin to regain the trust.
00:59:46.000But he's not out there, and I don't think he's going to do it.
00:59:49.000And that's why I think he needs to go as well as Secretary Mayorkas.
00:59:53.000Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I remember when there was a whistleblower like, you know, what others in the military that I know of called, you know, Chow Thief, Alexander Vindemann, and these other kinds of whistleblowers were—they were beyond reproach.
01:00:05.000There was nothing you could say that could tarnish them, even if it was clearly biased, even if they were lying, even if it was proven to be nonsense or whatever.
01:00:13.000There was nothing— That they could say that you could question.
01:00:17.000And yet, when these things come out, when agents can show clear examples of reprisal immediately after on them, the second they talk, they're transferred, they're moved, their stuff's locked up, and they're kept away from it.
01:00:29.000One agent testified, I mean, he literally couldn't feed his family because they locked all of his stuff away from him.
01:00:36.000I mean, it's so obvious, and yet, you know, if it was the other way, if it was against Trump, if it was...
01:00:43.000That agent would be treated like a deity.
01:00:47.000And it's, again, the unequal enforcement of our justice system, of our laws against people like this.
01:00:54.000These people are treated like they're pariahs for being whistleblowers against something that's clearly wrong against the dictum and the job that they're supposed to do.
01:01:38.000You gave us a perfect illustration where we had a front row seat, and that's exactly what happened.
01:01:44.000I mean, when I saw today, I saw the Democrats on this committee act like prosecutors going after somebody that they had alleged committed a heinous crime.
01:01:55.000It was unconscionable. I mean, the leading Democrat, she should be a modest and she should be removed from that committee for actually alleging that they are a national security threat.
01:02:04.000But look, a fair question would have been to one of them say, hey, look, I understand that you thought the supervisors were trying to intimidate and retaliate against you.
01:02:11.000But is it possible that they saw that you had, that they really believed that you had committed a violation of FBI policy and they were trying to give you guidance?
01:02:22.000You know, is that something that's possible, you know, agent so-and-so?
01:02:26.000That's a fair, reasonable question under the circumstances.
01:02:29.000I think most of us would disagree, but that would be a fair question.
01:02:34.000But to say, hey, before they even listen to them, you're a national security threat, and to attack them like you just described, it's unconscionable.
01:03:17.000The FBI, there's got to be something to this.
01:03:20.000I don't think I did anything, but I take 100 selfies a day.
01:03:23.000Maybe someone took a selfie with me and they're actually connected to something.
01:03:27.000Even I was giving them the benefit of the doubt as they're trying to go after me for treason.
01:03:31.000I think, knowing what I know now, that was foolish and naive.
01:03:35.000But... You know, after years of history, you wanted to see that.
01:03:39.000But, you know, when you were in these agencies, was there that moment that stands out to you where everything changed?
01:03:44.000And what was it? Yeah, in the FBI, it was Director Comey.
01:03:48.000I saw from the moment Director Comey became director, a fundamental shift in the culture in the FBI, and it was not positive.
01:03:58.000I believe he's the one that started the kind of woke culture within the FBI. His leadership style, I think, led Started to lead the FBI in a very bad direction.
01:04:11.000Look, Director Wray had the opportunity.
01:04:13.000I think he could have and should have come in and just clean house.
01:04:16.000Not personal, but he should have removed all the top leadership and started anew.
01:04:20.000He had the opportunity. I think he failed at that.
01:04:25.000So, you know, talk about that a little bit.
01:04:27.000Like, what's, you know, when you, and again, I know from experience, because a lot of people come up to me, but you know a lot more of them, but, you know, how do you think morale inside the FBI is right now?
01:04:37.000I mean, I would think the vast majority of Americans, you know, the guys that come up to me, it's like, you know, there's a tarnish on our badge.
01:04:44.000They're embarrassed. I mean, but I think the vast majority of the Americans probably agree with that.
01:04:48.000They're losing faith in what was once seen as probably the most preeminent Federal law enforcement agency, maybe in the world.
01:04:57.000What happened and what's going on inside the agency in terms of morale?
01:05:02.000And maybe the same question as it relates to the Border Patrol.
01:05:06.000They're decimated. I mean, their morale is the worst it's ever been, literally.
01:05:11.000They know that every effective tool and authority for them to be able to do their job has been removed because of politics.
01:05:17.000They have no respect for any of their leadership within Border Patrol and all the way up through the Secretary of the President of the United States.
01:05:25.000In addition to that, Don, I tell you, in the FBI, I think there's a fracture in there.
01:05:30.000There's a good chunk of people that are disheartened with what's going on.
01:05:34.000And I think there's others that are still kind of holding on and they're just being quiet.
01:05:37.000But make no mistake, at the end of the day, the FBI, they're struggling.
01:05:42.000And I think they've been tarnished and they've lost what I think traditionally has been known for the world's finest law enforcement agency in the world.
01:05:53.000And I hate to do this, Don, but I've actually got to run.
01:05:56.000I've got to move on to another interview.
01:05:58.000All good, man. Well, Mark, thank you very much.
01:06:01.000I really appreciate that. As things pop up, guys, we're going to talk to Mark more about what's going on in the border as more evidence comes out about the FBI. We're going to talk about that.
01:06:10.000I really appreciate your time here tonight and look forward to having you back on again.
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