Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Following the Healthy Brick Road, Interview with CMS Admin Dr. Oz | TRIGGERED Ep.333

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00:08:45.000 A little bit of a different show than normal, but I think a conversation that people have to hear and understand and a lot to learn.

00:08:50.000 Because every time I've spoken with you, Dr. Oz, great to have you on.

00:08:53.000 Thank you.

00:08:53.000 I'm like, wow, I didn't even know about some of these things.

00:08:56.000 So, you know, let's get into the big one first because I've covered it so extensively on the show.

00:09:03.000 The fraud around this country is insane.

00:09:07.000 I mean, it's the GDP of large nations, it seems.

00:09:11.000 And it does also seem that so much of it seems to come out In the healthcare space, whether that's Medicaid, whether it's hospice care.

00:09:20.000 I know you've been intimately involved in sort of discovering some of that, hopefully, by the time we're done with all of this.

00:09:28.000 But talk about how the system was able to get set up that people could siphon out billions, bad actors just stealing from the American taxpayer.

00:09:36.000 Well, let's put it in perspective because this is a topic that the president has spoken about because he focuses on the big problems and he emphasizes our need to address them.

00:09:46.000 And if you just look objectively at where the fraud is in America, you'd go to the biggest spender.

00:09:52.000 Who's the biggest spender?

00:09:53.000 Medicare, Medicaid.

00:09:54.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 It's about $2 trillion a year.

00:09:57.000 $2 trillion.

00:09:58.000 $2 trillion.

00:09:58.000 That's twice the defense budget when we're not at war.

00:10:01.000 And so the opportunity for fraudsters to get involved and harpoon the hippopotamus of Medicare and Medicaid is a great one.

00:10:08.000 And we have foreign governments involved in this, uh, foreign nationals in America, but we also have bad people in America don't share our values taking advantage of these programs.

00:10:16.000 So just to put some, some broader, uh, architecture on this during COVID, there was money that was literally thrown at people.

00:10:26.000 So easy to steal it.

00:10:27.000 You wouldn't even realize it was happening.

00:10:29.000 And that taught a lot of bad actors that they could come after the American people's, you know, safety net, Medicare, Medicaid, and get away with it.

00:10:38.000 And under the Biden administration, and this is what I'm saying is, you know, is widely appreciated, there was a overt effort to tell federal employees working at centers of Medicare and Medicaid where I am, that they didn't have to worry about fraud.

00:10:53.000 They needed to focus on enrolling people.

00:10:56.000 Get more folks lined up to participate and you'll do better.

00:11:00.000 And the reason I think, because I tried to get into why this would be so, because, you know, in general, you'd want to police the system while you're building a safety net.

00:11:08.000 If you sign somebody up for Medicaid, you must also, by federal law, give them information about voting.

00:11:17.000 So it's basically political patronage.

00:11:19.000 So this is not a flaw of the system.

00:11:21.000 It's a feature that they gutted the fraud, waste, and abuse programs within Medicaid, for example, which is the programs for poorer people, vulnerable people run by states.

00:11:32.000 And so the federal government actually, although we pay the bills, we don't audit where the money goes.

00:11:37.000 And so it's a perfect storm.

00:11:38.000 Governors could game the system or people who work under them.

00:11:42.000 They could extract billions of dollars from the federal tax rolls to put into care for illegal immigrants, for people aren't supposed to get Medicaid, for people had double or triple insurance coverage because they didn't care.

00:11:53.000 They're not paying for it anyway. 0.61

00:11:54.000 You and I are.

00:11:55.000 And so think about it this way.

00:11:57.000 You've got states like California running sloppy programs and less affluent states that are still blue states like New Mexico are paying the tab.

00:12:05.000 And that's just not fair in a federal system.

00:12:07.000 So, I mean, we've talked about it, obviously, from the fraud perspective, not just the fraudsters, but ultimately, you know, a kickback to the Democrat Party.

00:12:15.000 These are all Democrat voters.

00:12:17.000 They, you know, it's almost like the American version of what was going on with USAID.

00:12:21.000 Send a bunch of money to, you know, no show projects over there.

00:12:24.000 We kick it back to NGOs.

00:12:25.000 The NGOs donate to their Democrat counterparties.

00:12:28.000 You keep that going.

00:12:29.000 But so you're saying it's actually far more because it's not just a kickback scheme in terms of financial to the Democrat Party.

00:12:35.000 It's also basically a fake voter registration scam.

00:12:38.000 It's, imagine you were signing up people at an NRA convention to vote.

00:12:42.000 Who are you going to sign up?

00:12:43.000 Folks who tend to vote Republican.

00:12:45.000 If you want to get a lot of Democratic voters on board, go find out where the Medicaid patients are and sign them up to vote.

00:12:50.000 Now, again, it's clever politics, but, you know, in the end, all of us are hurt because people lose confidence in these precious programs that are so beautiful.

00:13:00.000 They work so well when well designed.

00:13:02.000 You know, your dad often says he loves and cherishes Medicare and Medicaid.

00:13:05.000 That's why he won't touch Medicare.

00:13:07.000 He wants these programs to thrive.

00:13:09.000 But we cannot afford to have them gutted.

00:13:11.000 The working families tax health legislation, for example, which was the most ambitious health program ever, perhaps, saved Medicaid.

00:13:17.000 I'll say that again.

00:13:18.000 President Trump saved Medicaid because he took out all the legalized money laundering that was going to build for trillions of dollars out of the system that would go into state coffers where there's no accountability.

00:13:29.000 And some of the things as you begin to read about and learn more about what the fraud is, these bad apples aren't going to just steal your money.

00:13:35.000 Think about it, Don.

00:13:36.000 If they steal your money, they'll steal your health.

00:13:38.000 They don't care.

00:13:38.000 They don't care about you.

00:13:39.000 They don't care if you die.

00:13:40.000 So take hospice.

00:13:42.000 These are programs built, started 40 years ago.

00:13:45.000 They ran fine for 35 years until COVID hit.

00:13:49.000 What was the deal?

00:13:50.000 You're at the end of your life.

00:13:51.000 You've got cancer. 0.70

00:13:52.000 We think you're going to die within a few months.

00:13:54.000 Six months was the number that was generally agreed on as the, as the, as the time that you would be expected to pass.

00:13:59.000 We're going to trade in your traditional health insurance to give you a better solution for hospice.

00:14:05.000 And by making that trade, the government actually saves a little money because they're not paying for unnecessary hospitalizations because you're going to die anyway.

00:14:12.000 But we make your life easier at the very end.

00:14:14.000 You die with dignity.

00:14:15.000 Give them some dignity.

00:14:16.000 Right.

00:14:16.000 So.

00:14:16.000 What ends up happening in California?

00:14:18.000 You get a bunch of doctors that you con, and they actually are, they're fraudsters.

00:14:23.000 They'll sign up people who are not dying.

00:14:26.000 And lie and say they're going to die.

00:14:28.000 How do I know that?

00:14:29.000 Because in California, you have hospices where the mortality rate is zero.

00:14:33.000 They have a better actuarial survival rate than you and I do today.

00:14:36.000 Like no one dies in these programs.

00:14:37.000 They're clearly lying.

00:14:39.000 And if you look at the records, you see that.

00:14:41.000 Then you have people who are.

00:14:43.000 Because if they die, you lose the cash flow associated with that person, right?

00:14:46.000 Plus.

00:14:46.000 They want them on hospice care for life.

00:14:47.000 And they do sign them up for life and they make money continually.

00:14:50.000 And it corrupts the system.

00:14:52.000 And the corruption doesn't just destroy the medical system, but you now have money flowing to organize criminal efforts.

00:14:57.000 Uh, the state government looks the other way.

00:14:59.000 They're getting money back for this in, in, in ways that we believe might be linked to, for example, well, that we'll talk about that in a second.

00:15:06.000 But there's a lot of possible reasons that doesn't get enforced, but it doesn't.

00:15:10.000 In 2022, the state auditor general in California tells Gavin Newsom, you have unmitigated fraud.

00:15:18.000 One third of all the hospices in the country are in Los Angeles, not California.

00:15:23.000 One third.

00:15:23.000 In LA.

00:15:24.000 Like, how many people are dying in LA?

00:15:26.000 Right?

00:15:26.000 So as we begin to get into this, we begin to realize that it's a well-oiled machine.

00:15:30.000 Everyone's getting paid.

00:15:32.000 Everyone's making money.

00:15:33.000 And that's not like a partisan position.

00:15:34.000 I imagine that's a Democrat position appointed probably by the governor who's pointing it out to the Democrat governor.

00:15:39.000 Exactly.

00:15:40.000 Which is why you would think they'd be acting on it.

00:15:41.000 And they take some very small steps.

00:15:44.000 They're going to, you know, take a few licenses away here and there.

00:15:47.000 But you have thousands of hospices, 1,800 that have now opened in California.

00:15:52.000 So I'll just break news here on your podcast.

00:15:55.000 We've already delisted hundreds of hospices, no longer paying them.

00:16:00.000 And we're revoking their ability to charge us.

00:16:03.000 And we're going to ban the folks involved in these hospices for a decade because they're obviously involved in fraudulent care.

00:16:10.000 And here's the funny part.

00:16:11.000 Well, is there going to be accountability beyond that?

00:16:12.000 Because, I mean, this is, you know, theft at a very large scale.

00:16:16.000 I mean.

00:16:16.000 Well, I spent last, the dawn hours last Thursday in Los Angeles with Billy Asile, who's an excellent U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, appointed by this administration.

00:16:25.000 We went with a SWAT team and took out some of these fraudsters and in handcuffs, carted them off to jail.

00:16:30.000 They get arraigned and these folks are going to do prisons time.

00:16:34.000 So it's a completely A focus of the task force, something that the president announced at the State of the Union address a few weeks ago.

00:16:41.000 The next day, the vice president and I, vice president in charge of the task force, uh, rolled out announcement.

00:16:46.000 We have banned all durable medical equipment suppliers, new ones, from entering into the marketplace until we can fix what's going on there.

00:16:53.000 Durable medical suppliers, by the way, they sell you wheelchairs and canes.

00:16:56.000 We're in South Florida right now.

00:16:57.000 There are twice as many durable medical equipment suppliers in South Florida than McDonald's.

00:17:03.000 And it's not because Bobby's knocking out McDonald's.

00:17:05.000 It's because we've got so much fraud.

00:17:07.000 Although he's trying to try.

00:17:09.000 I mean, that's a different story.

00:17:11.000 And what I love is that there's a iconic picture.

00:17:13.000 Your dad tried to get Bobby to eat a bunch of junk food.

00:17:17.000 I was in that picture.

00:17:18.000 Oh, you're in it.

00:17:19.000 Yeah.

00:17:19.000 It's me.

00:17:20.000 It's me.

00:17:21.000 We were coming back from the UFC fight in New York.

00:17:23.000 And it's me, my father, Elon and Bobby.

00:17:27.000 And you know, you've, you've eaten with my father.

00:17:29.000 I mean, he, he eats like a blue collar American. 0.77

00:17:31.000 It is not a show. 0.98

00:17:32.000 That's what he does.

00:17:33.000 He's got his two Big Macs and multiple fries and he basically convinces Bobby and I hand my camera over to one of the guys.

00:17:40.000 You gotta get a picture of this because it's just, it's too funny.

00:17:42.000 And Bobby's eating one of these sandwiches.

00:17:44.000 And when the picture is so funny because his face is like, he was just like caught like a kid with his hand in the cookie jar.

00:17:51.000 It was amazing.

00:17:52.000 It was like a hostage photo.

00:17:54.000 He doesn't know what to do.

00:17:56.000 It was like the most viral photo of that week because it was just so funny.

00:17:59.000 The crazy thing is your dad replicates that weekly in the Oval Office.

00:18:02.000 So he'll pepper Bobby and I usually go to the meetings together.

00:18:04.000 So he'll, He'll first start off with, uh, you know, candy bars, that little candy jar he'll call it.

00:18:08.000 He'll hit the red button.

00:18:09.000 Yeah.

00:18:09.000 And then comes the diet soda pops, which is, your dad argues that diet soda is good for him because it kills grass.

00:18:16.000 It's poured on grass.

00:18:17.000 So therefore it must kill cancer cells inside the body.

00:18:20.000 So he'll try to, please.

00:18:22.000 I'm having to argue this right now.

00:18:23.000 You know, we were, we were on Air Force One the other day and I walk in there because he wants to talk about something and he's got an orange soft drink on his desk.

00:18:30.000 Fanta.

00:18:31.000 He drinks Fanta.

00:18:32.000 That's what I didn't want to say the brand name on the podcast.

00:18:34.000 He's got a Fanta on the desk and I say, are you kidding me?

00:18:37.000 So he starts to like sheepishly grin.

00:18:38.000 He goes, You know, this stuff's good for me.

00:18:40.000 It kills cancer cells.

00:18:41.000 And then he tells me it's fresh squeezed.

00:18:44.000 So how bad could it be for you?

00:18:46.000 Okay, okay.

00:18:47.000 But then.

00:18:48.000 Maybe he's onto something because I will say this.

00:18:51.000 I know a lot of guys pushing 80.

00:18:53.000 Not a lot that have his level of energy, recall, stamina.

00:18:59.000 Is he just the exception that proves the rule?

00:19:01.000 I'm not saying we got to adapt this, but maybe there's something there because, again, I see a lot of guys at 80 who can't think or walk.

00:19:07.000 You probably remember this, but in 2016, I remember it was just before the election.

00:19:14.000 And I offered for your dad and Hillary Clinton. to come on the show.

00:19:19.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 And just clear the air about health, because both were criticizing the others.

00:19:23.000 Of course.

00:19:23.000 And, uh, that, that week, uh, Secretary Clinton got sick, and she had to pull out of the show, and they want me to pull the, your dad from coming on.

00:19:31.000 And I said, well, you know, he's the nominee of the Republican Party, he's willing to come on and defend his health.

00:19:36.000 And if you remember.

00:19:37.000 Well, that was when she had, like, passed out in public.

00:19:40.000 So, uh, but so, but your dad had that medical record that looked like he had dictated it.

00:19:45.000 Yeah.

00:19:45.000 And so, so he comes on the show, and he, and God bless him, he brings the actual, a legitimate note from a doctor with all of his lab reports.

00:19:52.000 Yeah.

00:19:52.000 And I say, can I show these to people?

00:19:54.000 He's, yeah, you can have it, take it, share it.

00:19:55.000 So I read the note on, on the air, and he was in perfect health.

00:19:59.000 I mean, his testosterone, quite frankly, was through the roof, not taking any supplements.

00:20:03.000 Uh, and so as I look, as I went through this, it's, it's uncommon to see that healthy, a list of healthy, of labs of anybody, even if they're drinking this, you know, or eating unpopular, you know, non-healthy foods, I'll say.

00:20:17.000 But, uh, some of that's genetic, but some of it your dad argues is because when he's on the campaign trail, he doesn't want to get sick.

00:20:24.000 So he eats junk food, But it's food made in large reputable chains because they have quality control meals.

00:20:30.000 And there are times he doesn't eat like that.

00:20:31.000 He doesn't always eat junk stuff.

00:20:33.000 Now he can, he has that meatloaf at Mar-a-Lago.

00:20:35.000 Well, the best was when he was on, like, when he was trying to do, like, the Atkins diet.

00:20:38.000 And he'd have a, you know, a big old steak.

00:20:40.000 And that's, you know, that's great if you're doing all protein.

00:20:43.000 But then, you know, half a pound of ketchup on it.

00:20:45.000 And they'd be like, well, I'm just going to have one scoop of ice cream.

00:20:48.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no.

00:20:50.000 You're doing no carbs.

00:20:51.000 There's no just one scoop of ice cream for dessert.

00:20:53.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:20:54.000 Well, without the ice cream, that's not a bad idea.

00:20:56.000 You know, Bobby's on that diet now.

00:20:57.000 He eats steak with sauerkraut or some fer I mean, get your dad to do that for a while.

00:21:02.000 I wonder what happened.

00:21:02.000 Maybe he'd get into a bad mood.

00:21:04.000 I can't tell.

00:21:04.000 You know, but food is sort of, that's his thing.

00:21:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:07.000 He doesn't have, he doesn't drink.

00:21:08.000 He doesn't do drugs.

00:21:09.000 He never did, never tried it.

00:21:11.000 And so he always jokes when he pushes that button for the Diet Coke and the candy, uh, the big bowl of candy, you know, he's like, that's my alcohol.

00:21:19.000 And I was like, okay, you know, there's some merit to that.

00:21:22.000 You know, we had the new dietary guidelines that came out and, uh, we sat in the back before we went out to do the press conference and Caroline, you know, had gone through all the top possible questions you might have me and Bobby and, and she, so we're on stage and the first question, of course, none of us expected, which was, what about alcohol?

00:21:39.000 And I turned to Bobby and said, you should take that question.

00:21:41.000 He goes, I'm not taking that question.

00:21:42.000 You know, I'm an AA.

00:21:45.000 I'm not taking the alcohol question.

00:21:46.000 And Caroline said, well, she's not going to take it. 1.00

00:21:48.000 She's pregnant. 1.00

00:21:48.000 So I took the question and I, I do believe this to be a case. 1.00

00:21:51.000 I don't drink much.

00:21:52.000 And your dad, of course, doesn't drink at all, which I do think is a very healthy approach, uh, to, but for a lot of Americans, alcohol is a social lubricant.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 And there's nothing healthier than having a good time with your friends, as long as no one's getting hurt.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, I heard that answer, and I was like, you know what?

00:22:07.000 It was, it was very unconventional, and yet, I think it actually is very much right.

00:22:12.000 You know, as someone, you know, drank too much in my twenties, and, you know, as a kid, uh, you know, there was, there's a point where it can be way too much, but you're right.

00:22:21.000 For the average person, you know, a glass or two of wine, whatever it may be, beer to, like, It changes that dynamic and that sort of happiness that comes from it.

00:22:30.000 I'm actually a believer in that because there are a lot of people that are just, especially these days when younger people are just stuck on their phones all the time.

00:22:37.000 They don't have the social norms that we grew up with.

00:22:40.000 It's a lot harder for them to converse.

00:22:41.000 And so I think there's a component to that.

00:22:42.000 There's a lot of people who celebrate around alcohol.

00:22:44.000 And if you go to places where people live a long time, like Sardinia, the Blue Zones, they will sit around a bunch of 80, 90 year old men overlooking these beautiful mountains and the heights of Sardinia.

00:22:56.000 They'll have tiny, nitty gritty glasses of their Yeah, that's a problem.

00:23:05.000 That's a problem.

00:23:09.000 But if you're staying with a bunch of friends, it makes more sense.

00:23:11.000 And I think folks shouldn't feel that's a good thing.

00:23:14.000 You shouldn't drink just to do that.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 But it's understandable and defensible.

00:23:17.000 But your dad's discipline along those lines.

00:23:19.000 And I do want to pay some credit to him.

00:23:21.000 I mean, I've had enough meals with him where he's not eating.

00:23:23.000 I mean, the food at Mar-a-Lago is top tier food.

00:23:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:25.000 So, you know, he does, that's, that I think is more of a typical diet.

00:23:29.000 Yeah.

00:23:29.000 And I think folks will point to that and say, well, that's part of it.

00:23:32.000 But I think his biggest asset is his curious.

00:23:34.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 I mean, he'll call me at all bizarre hours, as I'm sure he does you as well, and have questions.

00:23:40.000 Yeah, I think even if he's not going to adhere to a perfect diet himself, I think he wants people to at least have the knowledge.

00:23:46.000 And, you know, if you go back, you look at the food pyramid, all these things that we were taught as kids, it really was always upside down and broken, largely paid for by large corporations.

00:23:54.000 Yeah.

00:23:55.000 And so just getting that information out there can change a lot for a lot of people.

00:23:58.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 And it has.

00:23:59.000 And I think.

00:24:01.000 We just got all the hospitals in America, sent a letter to them saying we want you to adopt this food pyramid approach to the hospital foods.

00:24:07.000 You know, hospital, when I was training at Columbia, when you go to the ICU, you cannot leave the ICU because the patients are too sick.

00:24:14.000 So you have to eat the hospital food.

00:24:16.000 So all the residents, it's just the senior residents will warn you, don't eat the food.

00:24:20.000 You'll get sick.

00:24:22.000 They tell the residents that.

00:24:23.000 And, and fair enough, most of the food that we serve in hospitals, it, you know, it's pejorative to say your food tastes like hospital food.

00:24:29.000 Yeah.

00:24:29.000 And there's a great, uh, experiment now being done at Tampa General.

00:24:33.000 And Bobby and I just, like the Secretary of Kennedy and I just went down to Miami to, to launch this program at the, the, the Nicholas Children's Hospital there.

00:24:40.000 But they're a, they were able to, they're making bespoke food for people in hospitals and it's not costing them more money.

00:24:46.000 Because you throw a third of hospital food away anyway.

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:49.000 But imagine that we're giving people in, in hospitals real quality food.

00:24:52.000 Imagine kids in schools.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 I was going to ask you the next question, obviously.

00:24:56.000 Yeah.

00:24:56.000 Kids in schools, fatter than they've ever been before.

00:25:00.000 I know it's less your world, but, you know, in the overall HHS world, uh, is there a way to work with the Department of Education to be able to bring this and implement it to young kids?

00:25:09.000 Because I think also there's a habitual component of this.

00:25:12.000 If you, if you grow up eating it right, it's just sort of natural.

00:25:15.000 There's ways to do that.

00:25:16.000 You know, not everyone can go to Whole Foods every day and get, you know, the $97 organic chicken, whatever it may be.

00:25:22.000 But there, there are basic habits that can be formed.

00:25:24.000 And if you start them early enough, they're just sort of natural and you don't even think about the other stuff.

00:25:28.000 Well, we infantilize taste buds.

00:25:30.000 We, we literally make your taste buds that of a three-year-old.

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:34.000 If we don't teach your taste buds in you to eat more sophisticated meals.

00:25:38.000 And we have done the opposite in our school system.

00:25:40.000 And it's actually Department of Agriculture.

00:25:42.000 It's Brooke Rollins group that we're working with more closely.

00:25:44.000 And this is a major initiative of Secretary Kennedy is to get the school meals addressed.

00:25:48.000 Let me give you a good example.

00:25:49.000 This is going to shock everybody.

00:25:51.000 But because there was this dishonest narrative that whole milk was bad for you, people who were in charge took out the fat.

00:25:58.000 Now, I don't know if you've tried skim milk Well, I drank it for years until I actually started doing some of the research and seeing it myself.

00:26:07.000 It's like, wait a minute, the fat's actually better for you than what they jack these things up with to create the flavor, which is ultimately carbs.

00:26:16.000 Again, another thing was just totally, totally backwards.

00:26:19.000 To get kids to drink their milk, a dairy product that's now skimmed, they add chocolate syrup.

00:26:24.000 Total calories are the same as the whole milk, but now you have skimmed milk, which is basically all carbs, because if you take the fat out, you'll have the carbs.

00:26:30.000 Then you add chocolate syrup.

00:26:31.000 Now it's more carbs.

00:26:32.000 And you teach kids that's, so that very sugary flavor is the norm that you should expect with the beverage.

00:26:39.000 And people, when they drink their calories, their brains don't register it.

00:26:43.000 That's the big problem with soft drinks, is it tricks your brain It thinks, but your brain's too smart.

00:26:49.000 And your taste buds are wise as well.

00:26:51.000 They say, wait a minute, you gave me something that tastes sweet, like if it's a, if it's a diet soda, and yet my brain didn't get calories.

00:26:57.000 So I want you to go back and find calories.

00:26:59.000 The reason nuts in every study ever done, people eat nuts, actually lose weight.

00:27:04.000 They don't gain weight despite the calories of nuts is because nuts have nutrients.

00:27:08.000 They're baby trees.

00:27:08.000 They're tree eggs.

00:27:10.000 And so your brain says, my gosh, you gave me nutrients.

00:27:12.000 I don't have to keep eating.

00:27:13.000 That's why, Don, when I travel, I always keep nuts in my pocket.

00:27:16.000 Everyone should.

00:27:17.000 Carried around with you.

00:27:18.000 It's logistically easy to cart with you.

00:27:20.000 I soak my nuts.

00:27:21.000 You should try that.

00:27:22.000 And the reason for that is you germinate the nuts.

00:27:25.000 Like put almonds in water.

00:27:27.000 They plump up.

00:27:28.000 They become alive again.

00:27:29.000 You reawaken them.

00:27:30.000 Like if a tree dropped the nut right into the soil, it would begin to germinate.

00:27:35.000 So try it.

00:27:36.000 Soak your nuts.

00:27:37.000 So, so you'd mentioned some of these health habits.

00:27:40.000 It was interesting.

00:27:40.000 I was in Eastern Europe last week and I'm driving through the streets and I'm seeing and everyone's smoking, but everyone's skinny.

00:27:49.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 It's, it's almost the opposite.

00:27:52.000 In America, you see someone smoking today.

00:27:53.000 You're like, who, who still smokes?

00:27:55.000 And yet you see a huge weight problem.

00:27:58.000 Talk about that, you know, cause it does seem sort of ironic.

00:28:01.000 I mean, there's almost like an appetite suppressing component of that.

00:28:04.000 Are you better off being a bit of a smoker within reason and, and not fat or obese or not?

00:28:09.000 You're, you're definitely better off not smoking.

00:28:11.000 Smoking has a whole series of other problems and pathologies, but smokers know that they will stay thin if they smoke. 1.00

00:28:19.000 That's why many women used to smoke. 0.98

00:28:21.000 It was, it was part of the women emancipation So, this is getting back to, you know, the early, uh, years of advertising. 0.97

00:28:38.000 This is, you know, 20s and 30s, 100 years ago.

00:28:40.000 Um, and it was very effective, but there are no alternatives to smoking like these, uh, these heated cigarettes that are widely available in Europe.

00:28:49.000 They're not vaping.

00:28:50.000 They're, they're actually, they're, they don't exist in America that they're going to launch soon.

00:28:53.000 These are small little pouches of, uh, of, of nicotine.

00:28:58.000 They're steamed.

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:59.000 Um, in, in these pens.

00:29:01.000 So you get the nicotine, but not the carcinogenic?

00:29:03.000 Exactly.

00:29:04.000 And it's cleaner, and it's actually quite popular as an alternative to cigarettes.

00:29:08.000 Vaping are, are, some of the vapes are made in, you know, in China, so we don't know what's really in them, so we have concerns about them.

00:29:13.000 But there are other ways of getting nicotine that gives you the boost.

00:29:16.000 So, obviously, half my viewers might.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, you're pissed.

00:29:19.000 I have one in right now.

00:29:20.000 What, what, what do you think about, uh, the nicotine pouches, uh, as it, as it relates to health and overall, uh, where, where it's so popular, it feels, especially with, with younger people these days, uh, I think they're healthy enough, but let me just make one sort of overarching comment about substances in general.

00:29:37.000 You should never be dependent on an external substance to be the best you can be.

00:29:41.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 But all of us enjoy coffee, one of the pouches that you have in your, in right now that you can dab or use.

00:29:50.000 You don't want to destroy your gums with, you know, the, some of these products, but the ones that are out there now are made in ways that, that protect you in what, you know, enough.

00:29:57.000 And so I'm not a purist about this.

00:29:59.000 I just want you to recognize that every once in a while, you should do a little bit of a fast, so to speak.

00:30:04.000 Yeah.

00:30:04.000 You know, go without anything in your body.

00:30:06.000 Make sure you know what that feels like, and then you can go back to having your coffee in the morning.

00:30:09.000 And I bring that up because coffee is something that we all accept as normal, but if you have to have a coffee when you get up, you're addicted to the caffeine.

00:30:17.000 I actually went through that myself where I was drinking like north of a thousand milligrams of caffeine a day.

00:30:22.000 Oh my gosh.

00:30:23.000 I'd wake up, I'd have some sort of two or three energy drinks, whatever it is throughout the day, and I My mood, you know, it was great for a little bit, but 45 minutes later, you just sort of crash and then you try to double it up and you just get progressively grumpier.

00:30:39.000 So I literally cut it almost all out, other than like a morning coffee or something like that.

00:30:43.000 And it took a little bit of time, but once I got back to like a normal level of caffeine intake, I felt exponentially better throughout the day.

00:30:52.000 I would do a little experiment.

00:30:53.000 If you're listening right now, try this out.

00:30:55.000 Tomorrow morning, see if you can go without caffeine.

00:30:58.000 If you get a headache or you just can't go, you're addicted.

00:31:02.000 So act like an addict.

00:31:04.000 Just stop.

00:31:05.000 Cold turkey is usually fine.

00:31:06.000 You might have to taper down.

00:31:07.000 Just, you know, make sure you can go for a couple days with nothing else out in your body.

00:31:10.000 That's probably, that's true for food too.

00:31:12.000 You should do a fast once a month.

00:31:14.000 Just, you know, go without food, uh, for most of the day, at least till the evening, and just make sure you know what that feels like.

00:31:20.000 And you mentioned taste buds before.

00:31:21.000 One of the beauties of fasting is you, you awaken your taste buds.

00:31:25.000 Once again, sweet stuff tastes sweet.

00:31:27.000 Otherwise, you get addicted to the feeling that everything has to have, have sweets to it.

00:31:30.000 And that's one of the major drivers of obesity in America.

00:31:33.000 And this was the biggest lie of the food pyramid.

00:31:35.000 Just to finish that topic.

00:31:36.000 We dishonestly, I say that because there were clinical trials that did not prove what was claimed.

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:42.000 And the NIH right now is reproducing all the fundamental studies because so many of them were dishonest.

00:31:48.000 And when you build an entire literature around a health topic on a faulty chassis, a bad foundation, it collapses under the weight of that because people get sicker.

00:31:59.000 They don't get better.

00:32:00.000 So you talked about, you know, not wanting to be dependent on anything in the long term.

00:32:06.000 What are your thoughts on some of the stuff going on right now?

00:32:08.000 You see it every day.

00:32:10.000 My Instagram feed just gives it to me every other post at this point.

00:32:14.000 All of the stuff as it relates to peptides.

00:32:16.000 Because it does feel like that has made a huge, huge difference for a lot of people, but there is sort of a component of dependency on that.

00:32:25.000 Is that different because you're perhaps supplementing something you're not able to get elsewhere?

00:32:30.000 Well, let's broaden the topic to hormone replacement therapy in general.

00:32:33.000 Yeah.

00:32:34.000 So, one of the biggest mistakes. in women's health has been this, this, this, this honest narrative that hormones taken during menopause are dangerous. 0.95

00:32:45.000 There's precious little evidence to support that.

00:32:48.000 Whatever evidence there is, we believe be mitigated by taking bioidentical hormones.

00:32:54.000 Marty McCary, who runs the FDA, is taking a strong stance on this.

00:32:57.000 I think he's absolutely right. 0.99

00:32:59.000 And so if you're a woman, and this starts when you're in your forties, because you start, progesterone is like Valium for the female brain.

00:33:06.000 Think about it. 0.82

00:33:06.000 When you get pregnant, the first thing that goes is your progesterone goes up because it keeps you calm and tolerant of this big thing invading your body, right? 0.82

00:33:13.000 Having had five kids, I'm not, I'm not always sure there's such Tolerant when they're pregnant, but I'm not allowed to say that out loud.

00:33:19.000 Maybe too late.

00:33:19.000 Until the third trimester, anyway.

00:33:21.000 After that, it's all your fault.

00:33:23.000 At some point, it just becomes John's fault.

00:33:24.000 Why did you do this to me? 0.97

00:33:25.000 But Valium does tend to come, women, and when they're Valium, I'm sorry, progesterone acts like Valium in doing that. 0.88

00:33:32.000 When your progesterone starts to come down in your 40s and 50s, you become less tolerant of the BS that you tolerated. 0.83

00:33:38.000 That's why most divorces in the, in, in, once you get to age 50 are instigated by women, not men. 1.00

00:33:44.000 Because they say, well, you're a jerk. 1.00

00:33:45.000 You've been a jerk our whole married life. 1.00

00:33:47.000 I'm not tolerating anymore, and they walk. 0.99

00:33:49.000 And so, The ability to give women back progesterone or estrogen, which deals with the hot flashes, the inability to sleep, um, the, a lot of the irritability, the brain fog, fog, uh, also is helpful. 1.00

00:34:00.000 And women stop making testosterone as well. 0.57

00:34:02.000 So the libido drops.

00:34:04.000 So you give women these hormones at, at a critical time in their life and it smooths out the menopause process for at least a third of women.

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 And so the same goes to men.

00:34:15.000 Men make less testosterone.

00:34:17.000 Uh, they stop making growth hormone and they're now peptide.

00:34:21.000 Many of these developed in Eastern Europe and by the Russians.

00:34:23.000 They use them as Performance enhancing tools.

00:34:25.000 And there was a fair amount of research done, but again, it's Eastern European and Russian research, not studied under traditional American oversight.

00:34:34.000 But it doesn't mean that that doesn't work.

00:34:36.000 No, they were pretty good at what they did at the time.

00:34:37.000 Now, there's a way to overdo it.

00:34:39.000 Like everything else. 1.00

00:34:40.000 East German women's team basically turning into men. 0.97

00:34:42.000 You know, it's a little different, but it's a big deal.

00:34:46.000 I think one of the things, you know, the guys I know, now these are generally successful guys, they can afford to do some of these things.

00:34:53.000 It has sort of priced itself out of, uh, the average, you know, guy's paycheck.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 Uh, there's the issue of compounding and be able to basically have, you know, generics of this version, which I think also eliminates sort of the black market side of this where you don't exactly know what you're getting and probably not getting exactly what you're being told.

00:35:13.000 You know, are there efforts to make this more affordable so that everyone has that same chance to be able to utilize these things to optimize their bodies?

00:35:20.000 Yes.

00:35:21.000 But I would argue the myopic approach to this space by conventional medicine.

00:35:27.000 Frankly, people like my pedigree, I mean, I'm professor emeritus at Columbia.

00:35:33.000 We have been disdainful of this area of research.

00:35:37.000 And it is an unfortunate blind spot that I do think academic medicine is engaging it now, but you have to have researchers, high caliber folks, go out and get funding and study how these things work.

00:35:48.000 For example, does testosterone help men if they have low testosterone?

00:35:51.000 Absolutely yes.

00:35:53.000 But a lot of the low T ads are for people whose testosterone is not low.

00:35:57.000 And so giving extra testosterone.

00:35:59.000 Or pure testosterone without the other things.

00:36:01.000 Exactly.

00:36:01.000 You know, it's great for a little while, then you become dependent, you stop producing natural testosterone.

00:36:06.000 So there's also the peptides that'll just stimulate your body's natural way of making it themselves, which is probably better because you don't become as dependent.

00:36:14.000 And some of these medications, as you know, that stimulate growth hormone, for example, are more natural ways of keeping you, because growth hormone is the ultimate way that you'll stay feeling youthful.

00:36:23.000 But what's the best way of generating growth hormone?

00:36:25.000 Sleep.

00:36:26.000 And so if you're not sleeping well and not doing the other things in your life, diet, exercise, et cetera, that are helpful for a youthful life.

00:36:33.000 Just, you know, mainlining some of these peptides is not going to overcome that.

00:36:37.000 So on top of that, if there's still a problem, I do think they make sense.

00:36:41.000 And folks who have means definitely seek the amount and they get good results oftentimes because they have high quality docs involved in the process.

00:36:48.000 There's this whole sort of side, not black market, it's like sideshow that there's not being embraced by traditional medicine.

00:36:55.000 And we need to change that.

00:36:56.000 This is again, getting back to this broad concept of food.

00:37:00.000 Why is it that we're forcing medical schools to teach students about nutrition.

00:37:05.000 And I'll tell you something that I don't talk about much.

00:37:07.000 I ran for student body president at, in, in, in Penn, on, on my campaign promise was to put a nutrition class in the school.

00:37:18.000 Now, Penn is a top tier medical school.

00:37:20.000 We should have had a nutrition class, but we didn't. 0.98

00:37:23.000 We only learned about these rare African, you know, Koshakor and, you know, Berry Berry, these weird, you know, nutritional deficiencies. 1.00

00:37:30.000 Why is that important? 0.74

00:37:31.000 If you don't learn about something in medical school as a doctor, you don't think it matters.

00:37:36.000 Because that was the system.

00:37:37.000 Put them on medication, you have a patient for life.

00:37:39.000 It's cash flow associated.

00:37:41.000 There's a lot of.

00:37:41.000 And you're disdainful of nutrition because if it was important, they would have taught me.

00:37:45.000 So obviously, it doesn't matter.

00:37:46.000 I'd rather give you drugs.

00:37:47.000 So we pander, we say, oh, yeah, you'll eat right, but what does that really mean?

00:37:51.000 Teaching people culinary nutrition, where we actually push you as a patient to learn how to make something with beans in it and learn how to eat them and replace some of the junk that you're eating.

00:38:00.000 And that's affordable, by the way, if you use some of these high quality sources of protein, that actually matters.

00:38:06.000 But if you never teach anybody, you don't have that until you.

00:38:08.000 create a system that's corporatized.

00:38:10.000 And that's what ends up happening.

00:38:11.000 You privatize the profits, you socialize the costs.

00:38:15.000 You make and make money as a food manufacturer, all kinds of junky stuff that is designed to titillate someone's palate.

00:38:20.000 But when people get sick eating that food, the system pays for it, not you.

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 And we can do better than that. 1.00

00:38:28.000 And that's a major part of the Maha movement. 0.99

00:38:31.000 It makes it easier to be healthy in America. 0.95

00:38:33.000 It's why moms are complaining today, and you, Don, you hear this all the time, that it's harder for them to raise healthy kids than it was for their moms to raise them.

00:38:42.000 So you see it today.

00:38:43.000 You know, young kids, the testosterone scores of kids that should be north of 1,000 are the equivalent of a man in their 70s and the 50s.

00:38:52.000 You see these numbers, you're like, how is that even possible?

00:38:54.000 I mean, and obviously there's got to be some environmental factors to it.

00:38:57.000 There's got to be, you know, it's a whole hodgepodge of things.

00:39:00.000 Certainly food is a big part of it.

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 And that part, I actually believe we have it on America's radar screen, but they're still going to be people who need medications.

00:39:09.000 And this is a topic that has been on your dad's radar for a long time.

00:39:14.000 And I'll just put it out there right now.

00:39:15.000 The argument he'll make in private is why are we paying three times more for the exact same drugs made in American factories oftentimes than the Europeans are paying for that?

00:39:24.000 And so he tried to address this in the first term.

00:39:27.000 It's one of the first things that I remember he brought a lot of us, Secretary Kennedy, me, and a bunch of the pharma guys together early on.

00:39:34.000 And he said, you guys are going to have to fix this.

00:39:36.000 No longer are we going to tolerate global freeloading.

00:39:40.000 Other countries have to pay for this.

00:39:41.000 You're talking about most favored nations' pricing, right?

00:39:42.000 I mean, that's a really big deal.

00:39:44.000 And I saw those stats too.

00:39:45.000 It's like the guy in America buying insulin, spending hundreds of dollars a month, in Europe, eight bucks.

00:39:52.000 And it's like, wait, this is an American company manufacturing America.

00:39:55.000 Like the American taxpayer was subsidizing the health of European nations while getting screwed themselves.

00:40:02.000 It never made any sense.

00:40:03.000 And I know in the first term, they sort of took care of it on insulin.

00:40:06.000 But there's a lot of other things that people have to deal with there.

00:40:10.000 Talk about a little bit of that because I know that's been a huge, huge push that, you know, and again, with our media, no one's going to give them credit when you guys get something done.

00:40:18.000 You've learned this, you know, probably the hard way as well.

00:40:20.000 You can do all sorts of great things, but if no one hears about it, they don't even know.

00:40:23.000 They may not even know these things are available to them.

00:40:25.000 Talk about that most favored nation because that is feeling, you know, it seems like that's trillions of dollars over, you know, a few years of savings to the American taxpayer that no one's even heard about yet.

00:40:35.000 And it's a moral hazard when we can't afford our medications.

00:40:38.000 Let me give you a stats going to blow your mind.

00:40:40.000 One in three Americans, when they go to the pharmacy to pick up their medications prescribed by a doctor, leave empty handed because they can't afford the medication.

00:40:48.000 That should never happen.

00:40:50.000 And so in the Trump administration, there is a all of government approach to this.

00:40:54.000 So working with commerce because overseas pricing matters here, working with health and human services, working with every facet of government.

00:41:03.000 We have gone out and negotiated with the biggest drug companies out there and done something never imaginable.

00:41:09.000 And it only happened, I'm confident, because the president was loud and clear.

00:41:13.000 We will not tolerate this.

00:41:15.000 So either peacefully do the right thing.

00:41:18.000 Be, you know, be, uh, fair in your pricing.

00:41:21.000 And it's called MFN, most favored nation pricing, which means if you sell a drug for a price in you, in the, in Europe, you must sell it for that price or less in America.

00:41:31.000 And that has now become the norm.

00:41:33.000 No one thought it was possible, but it's like NATO.

00:41:35.000 What happened to NATO?

00:41:36.000 The president said, guys, we're, you're defending yourselves against a foreign threat.

00:41:40.000 Everyone's got to ante up.

00:41:41.000 We can't just be America paying for Europe.

00:41:43.000 And so all the European countries increased to 5% the amount of their GDP they were dedicating to defending themselves.

00:41:48.000 Well, guess what?

00:41:49.000 Cancer is a threat too.

00:41:50.000 It's an internal threat.

00:41:51.000 So we're doing the same thing.

00:41:53.000 You guys all have to ante up an increased percentage of your GDP.

00:41:57.000 And we will still pay a lot.

00:41:59.000 But we're not going to pay unfairly more.

00:42:01.000 The American people aren't going to be mistreated.

00:42:03.000 No more global freeloading.

00:42:04.000 And now we have gotten countries like England, which is one of the toughest negotiators.

00:42:07.000 They have agreed they're going to pay more for their drugs.

00:42:10.000 We're going to pay less.

00:42:12.000 Globally, we're going to have access to better drugs.

00:42:14.000 We're not going to cut out innovation.

00:42:16.000 So the president, again, very wisely protected the innovative American companies making these life-saving drugs.

00:42:23.000 By getting Europe and in Asia to pay more, letting Americans pay less, but it's a sustainable program.

00:42:29.000 And you know what?

00:42:29.000 I'll tell you, this is a, you know, inside baseball, but it's critical.

00:42:32.000 You look at a pharma CEO in the eyes and you say, it's over.

00:42:37.000 We're not going to pay three times more than you're charging our people.

00:42:40.000 And if they, as they're charging other countries.

00:42:43.000 And they all said sort of the same thing.

00:42:44.000 You know, one day we knew you would come knocking.

00:42:47.000 We're not going to play with the fire that the president represents because then he'll come after us.

00:42:52.000 We'll make a deal.

00:42:53.000 And they have God bless them.

00:42:55.000 Every one of them came to the table.

00:42:56.000 And did the deal as they should have done years ago.

00:42:59.000 Why it took this many years to get a powerful enough person in office to be able to push this to the finish line is shocking, but at least it's happened.

00:43:07.000 How do you lock that in in perpetuity, right?

00:43:10.000 Because I could see, hey, we all understand how DC works, the special interests, the pharma lobbies, whatever it is.

00:43:16.000 Trump leaves office and you get a Democrat.

00:43:18.000 It's like, hey, we're going to make a big, sizable campaign contribution, but we want to be making trillions of dollars here on the back end again.

00:43:24.000 How do you lock that in?

00:43:25.000 Because that seems like, you know, that's a generational shift for the better for America.

00:43:30.000 How do you make sure you codify that into law so that they can't just go back to their old ways the second they're like, you know, go back to someone who doesn't care, is in on the grift, whatever it may be?

00:43:40.000 It is an existential fear that we should have that all this great progress will revert back to the way it was a year and a half ago if we don't continue to win these elections.

00:43:51.000 I do not believe there's a way for these, these rules to stay in place unless either we codify them, which means we get Congress to ratify them to last beyond this president.

00:44:03.000 Now, again, let's be very transparent.

00:44:05.000 The president did what he promised to do and these deals are intact throughout his administration.

00:44:09.000 Correct.

00:44:09.000 What he's trying to do now is protect the future administrations so that these companies will not go back to business as usual.

00:44:17.000 So either we're going to codify it through Congress or we're going to have to push the companies to make other deals to protect future administrations.

00:44:23.000 But this is a generational opportunity for us to fix healthcare in America.

00:44:28.000 It's one of the reasons that President Trump is so focused on this area.

00:44:31.000 Wait a minute.

00:44:32.000 Why am I getting phone calls at odd hours?

00:44:34.000 Because he's thinking about it a lot and he's focused and he's not getting credit for it.

00:44:38.000 And he should, but these kinds of advances aren't going to normally happen.

00:44:42.000 So let's not waste this opportunity.

00:44:44.000 Let's make sure that most favorite nation Pricing of drugs that's fair for Americans is the rule of the land going forward.

00:44:51.000 Let's make sure that we're smart about some of the other changes that have to happen within healthcare, like taking the fraud, waste and abuse out.

00:44:57.000 Don, it's a hundred billion dollars a year we're spending a fraud.

00:45:01.000 If I just put that numbers that you might make it more translatable, if you're worried about Medicare being there for you when you retire, which most young people are, we would double the life expectancy of the Medicare trust fund if we stopped defrauding Medicare.

00:45:15.000 So we're, these are, So we have affordability toward most favor, most favor nation.

00:45:21.000 We have affordability because we're driving, uh, fraud out of the system.

00:45:25.000 We have affordability because we're making people healthier, which remember, 80% of the money we spend on healthcare is because of chronic illnesses that are caused by the lifestyle that we have allowed to be fomented by folks who profit off illness.

00:45:37.000 And all of the friction in the system is profit.

00:45:40.000 Think about this.

00:45:40.000 There's probably 150 million, 150 million people in America who make it a fortune because they have friction in the healthcare system and they take tolls every time they open up a, A little opportunity for you to get healthy again, they tax you.

00:45:54.000 So we don't, we want that gone.

00:45:55.000 And the biggest way of changing the old system that has basically created the largest healthcare system in the world.

00:46:02.000 And we are at risk of basically being a large healthcare system with a small country attached is AI.

00:46:08.000 Yeah.

00:46:08.000 And let me ask you a question.

00:46:10.000 When was the last time you saw a movie about AI with a happy ending?

00:46:15.000 Never happens.

00:46:16.000 The Terminator.

00:46:17.000 The Terminator, right.

00:46:18.000 That's the happiest to guess.

00:46:19.000 The Armageddon and destruction of humanity.

00:46:21.000 We have got to change the narrative.

00:46:23.000 AI has risks associated with it.

00:46:25.000 But if we can get people to appreciate that AI can be incredibly deflationary, incredibly effective at saving money, why?

00:46:34.000 Because it improves quality of care.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, so I imagine, I mean, maybe talk a little bit about your role at CMS.

00:46:41.000 I don't know that people understand exactly what that is, but what it can do to help prevent that fraud.

00:46:45.000 And then maybe the integration of AI.

00:46:48.000 In preventing the fraud again, because that's all upside back to the balance sheet to keep this going, but also then to optimize outcomes later on.

00:46:55.000 I mean, because you're right, the popular thing these days, AI doomsday scenario and everything, but it can actually be utilized to implement so much of what you're doing that an actuary, an accountant, a couple guys crunching numbers can't possibly deal with the sheer level and volume of data that's out there to be able to figure out where these things are, both from the bad on the fraud side and the good.

00:47:18.000 from the health benefit side.

00:47:20.000 You make an excellent point, but let me ask you sort of a higher level question.

00:47:24.000 Why is it that AI is such an important part of detecting bank fraud?

00:47:28.000 The reason is not just because it's better at churning numbers.

00:47:31.000 Bank managers don't think like fraudsters.

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 So if you're trying to catch a fraudster, you've got to kind of find someone who thinks like them.

00:47:40.000 And there's a natural disconnect.

00:47:42.000 So when banks began using AI to catch fraudsters because AI can think like a fraudster, it began to think ahead of fraudsters.

00:47:50.000 They shut it down before it started.

00:47:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:47:52.000 We have to do that in healthcare. 0.98

00:47:54.000 I get to administer Medicare and Medicaid.

00:47:57.000 The people I hire are not good at fraud.

00:47:59.000 They don't come in the government to be fraudsters.

00:48:01.000 So you've got these.

00:48:02.000 They assume people are being honest dealers and no one's going to game the system.

00:48:05.000 And even if they suspect bad apples out there, they don't think the way they think.

00:48:09.000 These guys are so reprehensible.

00:48:11.000 Like you would never, never let someone die to make money off them. 1.00

00:48:16.000 But these assholes, I'm sorry, these jerks do that. 1.00

00:48:18.000 It's okay. 1.00

00:48:20.000 They're assholes. 1.00

00:48:20.000 It's fine. 1.00

00:48:21.000 And they are more than willing to weaponize that and take advantage of us.

00:48:25.000 So they will, they will work with foreign governments. 0.74

00:48:28.000 Oftentimes they are foreign nationals. 0.99

00:48:29.000 They flee back to the native country. 0.99

00:48:31.000 So we're playing in a very different game.

00:48:33.000 AI allows the healthcare system to get ahead of where the fraud is, to think about where they're going next and shut them down.

00:48:40.000 The same way it prevents fraud in banking, it can prevent fraud in healthcare.

00:48:44.000 But the bigger opportunity for us is not fraud, it's abuse and waste.

00:48:48.000 If we can get to you and connect with you about things that are important to your well-being and nudge you to make wise decisions, you'll be healthier and it'll save us money.

00:48:58.000 I'll give you one concrete example.

00:48:59.000 So if you're on Medicare, older folks over 65, you get a free, free Annual wellness visit.

00:49:06.000 At no charge to you, you can see a doctor and get them to examine you and give you advice about your health.

00:49:11.000 What percentage of Americans actually take this?

00:49:14.000 Less than half.

00:49:15.000 Why?

00:49:16.000 Because they think they're healthy.

00:49:17.000 But Don, we have claims data.

00:49:19.000 I know if you're healthy or not.

00:49:21.000 And it turns out, although you think you're healthy, you're actually sicker than the people who take their free annual wellness exam.

00:49:28.000 So what do I do?

00:49:29.000 I've got to convince people who think they're immortal.

00:49:32.000 They think they're Superman who are not getting advice from a doctor about their illness to actually participate.

00:49:38.000 So for the first time ever, we are actually paying technology companies to develop apps to reach out to the American people and meet them where they are.

00:49:46.000 So if you're worried about you know, some health problem.

00:49:49.000 You don't have to guess or run away from a doctor.

00:49:52.000 I'll come to you in the form of an app.

00:49:54.000 I'll use an avatar. 0.93

00:49:55.000 I'll use a gentic AI and I'll be able to connect with you about stuff that's important that you might not otherwise want to deal with. 0.57

00:50:01.000 But with my help and AI, you'll start to connect with us.

00:50:04.000 I need to talk more to the American people.

00:50:07.000 Medicare and Medicaid are the agency your dad put me in charge of.

00:50:10.000 We are the insurance company for 170 million Americans.

00:50:14.000 If I could get them to think differently about Their obligation almost to be healthy, because it's your most patriotic thing you can do.

00:50:21.000 Stay healthy.

00:50:22.000 You'll be there for all of us.

00:50:23.000 Well, it fixes all the other problems in the system, right?

00:50:25.000 If you prevent someone from ever actually getting sick, you're not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars per individual to keep them healthy.

00:50:33.000 And this is going to blow your mind, but it's really critical and cool when you understand it.

00:50:37.000 If we could get the average American to feel so healthy, so vibrant, so strong that they want to actually work one year longer, instead of retiring up to 35 years of service, they go 36 year, that is worth Wow.

00:50:52.000 The productivity of the American people is so powerful that just one more year of work deals with a lot of our budget issues.

00:51:02.000 So the real opportunity is what we unleash from getting people healthy, which is why allowing AI to meet you where you are.

00:51:09.000 Here's my prediction.

00:51:09.000 So critical.

00:51:10.000 A year from now, we're going to start launching Agentic AI.

00:51:13.000 What does that mean?

00:51:14.000 Instead of me sitting back as Medicare, Medicaid and waiting for you to get sick and call me, we're going to reach out to you.

00:51:20.000 Telecom companies are doing this now.

00:51:21.000 So we're going to reach out and say, hey, Don, you know, Uh, you're on this program.

00:51:25.000 I noticed you didn't do this or you didn't take this appointment or you didn't get that test based on what we know about you.

00:51:30.000 And you've let me look at your medical records because, you know, we're making that easy to happen.

00:51:33.000 Now you own your records.

00:51:34.000 By the way, you paid for them.

00:51:35.000 You own them.

00:51:36.000 You should use them.

00:51:36.000 Give them to whoever you want and hide them from whoever shouldn't see it.

00:51:39.000 You've given me your records based on this.

00:51:41.000 You ought to do these three things.

00:51:42.000 And I'm going to avoid you getting an illness, maybe even Alzheimer's.

00:51:46.000 So you have now years more productive life to build value in America, help America be more productive as a nation.

00:51:52.000 That's the future that we're going to unlock.

00:51:55.000 And I mean, I would think that actually has an exponential sort of effect as well, because you talked about Alzheimer's.

00:52:01.000 Someone with Alzheimer's doesn't just take that person out.

00:52:03.000 It takes out multiple other people in, perhaps in the family who then have to care for this person.

00:52:08.000 So, I mean, it's really a, you know, a multiple hit.

00:52:12.000 You know, in all the interviews I've done, no one has actually picked up on that fundamentally important observation.

00:52:18.000 It's not just a sick person, but you're dragging the people who love them out of the system as well and destroying their quality of life.

00:52:26.000 The caregiver burden is massively important.

00:52:29.000 Thanks for bringing it up.

00:52:30.000 Alzheimer's is a great example because we have a blood test now.

00:52:33.000 That can predict that within 10 years you will develop Alzheimer's.

00:52:38.000 It's not 100%, but it's darn good.

00:52:40.000 If I could give you that test and you would know that you're going to become a burden to your family in 10 years, would you change your life?

00:52:48.000 Would you take precautions?

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:51.000 And maybe your family members may help you with that.

00:52:54.000 They're part of the solution, by the way.

00:52:54.000 Exactly.

00:52:56.000 That actually exists.

00:52:57.000 The question is, are we willing to give this test now?

00:53:00.000 And I'm a little nervous because until we are confident. that we have tools to dramatically change that natural history, we're going to scare a lot of people.

00:53:09.000 We believe if we gave that test to all seniors, one in three would test positive.

00:53:14.000 Wow.

00:53:14.000 Now that's also possibly a good news item because if the lifestyle changes that we now believe to be effective, more effective than drugs even, based on a series of studies from top notch doctors around the country, if we can start to implement that into the programs we offer in Medicare, for example, and dramatically change that natural history, I mean, Imagine the productivity we would unleash, the valuable years of extra quality of life and the reduction of pain.

00:53:41.000 That gives me goosebumps to think of that opportunity, but it only really becomes possible if we can meet you where you are and we need AI to do that, which is why right now we're in an existential problem.

00:53:52.000 We've got people who don't trust AI.

00:53:54.000 Everything they're hearing in the media scares them appropriately.

00:53:56.000 We've got every day more bad news about how AI could destroy us, but the other side of that story, the power to do good isn't being And you can never get behind the eight ball on that.

00:54:14.000 Once you lose that race, you get to a point you can never catch back up because it's just, it feeds off of itself.

00:54:19.000 It is the biggest opportunity we have and it's the biggest risk we're facing. 0.61

00:54:24.000 And the administration is very aggressively trying to do that balancing act, but there needs to be an honorable discussion about this.

00:54:33.000 And just because of who your dad is, I'm concerned people aren't willing to have it.

00:54:37.000 Whereas this is an American problem.

00:54:39.000 Trump derangement syndrome will make you take a logical thing and make it not so logical.

00:54:42.000 And blind us to real fears that all of us, red and blue, should be worried about.

00:54:47.000 So if you're running Medicare, Medicaid right now, what is the most urgent part of those programs that needs that cleanup? 0.53

00:54:57.000 What can we implement right away to be able to, again, extend this out so those young people who are paying into these systems forever actually get that benefit from them?

00:55:06.000 The biggest opportunity. in healthcare in America is to pay people because they provide value, not because they provide services.

00:55:14.000 Historically, the best way for me to pay you is to say, Hey, Don, you're a heart surgeon.

00:55:18.000 I'm a heart surgeon.

00:55:18.000 Take me.

00:55:19.000 I'm a heart surgeon.

00:55:20.000 I got paid per procedure.

00:55:21.000 Now, if I did an inappropriate operation, I got paid too.

00:55:25.000 If I had a bad outcome, I got paid too.

00:55:28.000 The most expensive thing in healthcare is bad quality care because I pay someone who's not able to do a good job or did it inappropriately, unethically.

00:55:38.000 I pay them anyway.

00:55:39.000 Then I pay someone who's high quality to fix the problem.

00:55:42.000 And then I got to pay for the downstream complications.

00:55:44.000 There's a Turkish proverb.

00:55:46.000 It takes one fool to throw a coin in a well and 99 wise men to pull it back up again. 0.80

00:55:51.000 That's what we're dealing with in healthcare. 0.89

00:55:53.000 If we could shift everything to just paying for value.

00:55:57.000 Only pay if you provide outcomes that are good for the American people, for you as an individual, it would dramatically change all the incentives.

00:56:04.000 Maybe talk about that in sort of the form of also insurance, because there seems to be a serious malalignment of how these things work.

00:56:11.000 I mean, I see the stories or I hear it from friends.

00:56:14.000 You know, they go in, you know, I needed eight stitches.

00:56:17.000 They got a bill for $15,000.

00:56:18.000 Straight stitches.

00:56:19.000 You know, like I've given myself stitches.

00:56:20.000 It's not like I'm not saying, like, you know, I'm not a doctor.

00:56:23.000 I don't pretend to be, but I was like, you know, I was just in a bad spot.

00:56:26.000 This is what I could do.

00:56:28.000 Not $15,000 worth of work.

00:56:30.000 And yet, if they go, well, I don't have insurance, I'll just pay cash.

00:56:33.000 Oh, that'll be $300.

00:56:36.000 How is that possible?

00:56:38.000 How have these sort of disincentives been created?

00:56:41.000 Because ultimately, the insurance side is either paid for by the other people on those programs in the form of higher premiums or ultimately backstopped by the American taxpayer.

00:56:50.000 How come you can't have most favorite nations in that aspect as well?

00:56:55.000 Uh, because, you know, it seems like in this case, the hospitals are just taking advantage of people paying insurance because there's too many bureaucrats, too many middlemen throughout the process.

00:57:04.000 Your dad, if you really want to get me started, ask you about transparency.

00:57:07.000 Yeah.

00:57:08.000 Uh, we have a proposal to Congress, uh, that we believe is critically important to provide the transparency that we've been not talking about since your dad's first administration.

00:57:19.000 And the reason it's important is what you just said.

00:57:21.000 If you're going to go buy a car, And people don't tell you what it costs before you buy it.

00:57:25.000 You can't make a wise decision.

00:57:27.000 Yeah.

00:57:27.000 We remove the market forces of the purchaser.

00:57:33.000 If you don't inform people about what the opportunities are, you disintermediate the market system from the healthcare system and people can charge whatever they want.

00:57:42.000 And so if you provide transparency, if a hospital says this is what it costs to get stitches, it's $300 pay now and you get the stitches.

00:57:50.000 That's great.

00:57:51.000 But if you don't get told that number and they know they can balance bill you $15,000, And eventually put you in the poorhouse over this, even though they don't want to, they'll do it because everyone else is doing it.

00:58:01.000 It corrupts the system, which is why we are demanding transparency and we will start finding hospitals starting now.

00:58:07.000 Just this month, we have the rules in place to be able to go after hospitals who don't exchange information fairly and who don't actually provide transparency on these topics.

00:58:16.000 And some of them are smaller hospitals.

00:58:17.000 It's hard for them to provide transparency, but enough's enough.

00:58:20.000 We as a nation have to be able to at least tell people what we're going to charge them for, like any other sector of the U.S. economy.

00:58:27.000 So, who are the bad actors in that?

00:58:29.000 I mean, like if you specifically had to pick out a middleman, a contractor, a billing shop, who are the people that are really gaming that system and turning that into an exorbitant profit center?

00:58:40.000 Because how do you attack those individuals?

00:58:43.000 Because I can't imagine, it's just not one place, right?

00:58:44.000 It's got to be sort of along the chain.

00:58:47.000 There are 15 middlemen, most of whom probably aren't adding all that much value, but everyone's getting paid.

00:58:52.000 Right.

00:58:52.000 So, as you describe it, it sounds like a flaw in the system.

00:58:56.000 But for people in the system, it's a massive feature, right?

00:58:59.000 Anytime I create friction in a system like this, I, I make sure that there's profit that's extracted.

00:59:04.000 So the folks who are involved in particular with, uh, the designing of hospital bills and the recollection of those expenses and, uh, the, the, the insurance companies pretending they're saving a lot of money when they're really not.

00:59:18.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 Because they could have gotten it for a much better price, but they remember they get paid a percentage of the total amount of money that's charged.

00:59:24.000 So, The higher the amount of money, the more percentage they get paid.

00:59:28.000 Now, in fairness, across the system, if you don't police this, then people are going to take advantage of it.

00:59:35.000 So, I have to actually come back to the government and to the role that we have played over the years and say, we have got to be serious with these folks.

00:59:41.000 We're going to come after you, and your dad has charged us to do this, if you cheat the American people.

00:59:47.000 If you treat them fairly, yeah, it's expensive.

00:59:49.000 By the way, $300 is still a lot of money for a lot of people, right?

00:59:52.000 Oh, it's a lot of money.

00:59:53.000 It's not free, but is that what it is?

00:59:56.000 $15,000 the right cost for an ERB?

00:59:57.000 Well, what's shocking is really the Delta.

00:59:59.000 Yes.

01:00:00.000 Yeah.

01:00:00.000 How can one person get it for 300 and one person's getting it for $15,000?

01:00:03.000 Like, there's no, there's no additional value.

01:00:06.000 Uh, it was just like, eh, we can charge it, so we will.

01:00:08.000 We're going to deliver a transparency platform, and this is again part of the larger build out of what we're doing within Medicare and Medicaid, and we want to be the leading payer.

01:00:15.000 We want to be the gold standard, so you copy us.

01:00:18.000 If you're not, you know, the U.S. government, and you don't want to copy us, uh, that's your problem, but ideally most people will say, well, you know, these guys figured it out.

01:00:26.000 So we want, when you go to get an MRI scan for a knee injury, we want you to look on your app and see 12 different places around where you live that offer different prices for MRI scans, and hold people accountable For those prices.

01:00:39.000 So if one place is $300 and one place is $3,000, which is, by the way, these are real prices, hopefully the American people will say, I'll go to the $300 place because obviously there's something about this.

01:00:48.000 Now, there may be other reasons you want to go to the $3,000 place.

01:00:51.000 That's your choice.

01:00:51.000 You can pay more if you want because that's your, you can buy an expensive car, cheap car.

01:00:55.000 But if the exact same car costs 10 times a month different, you'll probably buy the cheaper car.

01:00:59.000 So you're obviously going to run into a lot of internal resistance, you know, whether it's the hospital or whether it's one of these middlemen.

01:01:05.000 Do you have any internal resistance even from You know, sort of legacy government people who've just been like, well, we just don't want to actually have to do the work to actually fix these things.

01:01:13.000 Cause it sounds like you have a plan.

01:01:14.000 It seems very logical to me.

01:01:16.000 And yet the fact that it hasn't been implemented before screams of a much larger problem.

01:01:21.000 So a couple of epiphanies on this topic.

01:01:23.000 One, the average employee in the federal government is not like the sloth in Zootopia, which is what I mistakenly thought.

01:01:30.000 You know, they're just moving slowly and mandering.

01:01:33.000 They actually want to do their jobs.

01:01:35.000 And they often gave up really good paying jobs to come in.

01:01:38.000 The problem is you get lobbied aggressively, even when you're trying to do the right thing.

01:01:43.000 And the best part about this job for me is when I go tell the president, your dad, Hey, this is going to be a real problem.

01:01:48.000 People are going to make a lot of noise.

01:01:50.000 You know what he says? 0.77

01:01:50.000 I don't give a damn. 0.77

01:01:52.000 I didn't come into this job to be able to make friends.

01:01:55.000 I got plenty of friends.

01:01:56.000 I came here to do the things we came to, we promised the American people we would do.

01:02:00.000 And that gives us carte blanche to go out there and fight for the American people.

01:02:04.000 I have been the subject of some massive lobbying campaigns and not once.

01:02:10.000 Not once have I been told to stand down because of lobbyists.

01:02:15.000 There are times when what we're trying to do might not be the right thing for the American people and takes us a while to figure out that there's a better way of doing it.

01:02:22.000 That's a different discussion.

01:02:23.000 But the fact that we can tell the entire organization, march forward in the battle.

01:02:28.000 We have artillery behind us, air cover over us.

01:02:31.000 Just do your jobs is, uh, is an effective and, and, and very motivating strategy.

01:02:36.000 And, you know, I, I, I love telling our teammates, you know, we just released this week to, To a big town hall, our objectives and key results.

01:02:43.000 When I go in there and I say, All I'm asking you to do is do your job.

01:02:48.000 The reason you came here, the reason you're proud to be an American, the reason as a patriot you want to fix a system that's failing too many Americans is that we've not been free to do our jobs.

01:03:00.000 Go out there and do them.

01:03:01.000 These guys march in the battle.

01:03:02.000 They're almost with religious zealotry.

01:03:04.000 I'm so proud of them.

01:03:05.000 I can't tell you.

01:03:06.000 That's great.

01:03:07.000 Talk a little bit about Trump RX.

01:03:08.000 I know you guys launched that a couple months ago.

01:03:11.000 I've looked at it myself.

01:03:12.000 I mean, the numbers are insane.

01:03:15.000 I mean, obviously, we want to get people healthy.

01:03:16.000 Hopefully, they're never dependent on prescriptions.

01:03:18.000 But if you are going to be dependent on prescriptions, and a lot of people will, talk about that because it's one of these things that I was like, I saw it.

01:03:25.000 I was like, that's the greatest win ever.

01:03:28.000 That's incredible.

01:03:28.000 I mean, we touched on it a little bit as it relates to pricing.

01:03:31.000 This is a program, you can go in there, you can say what you need, and the cost savings aren't like, it's not like, you know, 10, 15%.

01:03:39.000 I mean, these are, you know, 3, 4, 5x what you were paying, you know.

01:03:44.000 To the favorable side.

01:03:45.000 And yet, you know, I don't know if that's the media.

01:03:48.000 I don't know if it's just, you know, messaging.

01:03:50.000 It feels like no one even knows about it.

01:03:52.000 I mean, in going through, you know, various things, even for myself, it's like I go just out of curiosity.

01:03:56.000 I got to see what, you know, I'm blessed to probably be able to pay for, you know, my drugs, whatever it is.

01:04:00.000 It's like, oh my God, these are game changing things.

01:04:03.000 And yet, again, maybe it gets lost in some of the chaos of the rest of the world, or maybe it's sort of one of these lies by omission that you have from the media where they're never going to give you credit for that.

01:04:12.000 Can you talk about that program where people can find out about it, where people can compare?

01:04:16.000 the stuff that they're buying, because it seems like a no-brainer for everyone to be looking at this stuff.

01:04:20.000 One in three Americans know about TrumpRx.gov.

01:04:23.000 I'm going to say it a dozen times so everyone thinks about it.

01:04:26.000 I get it.

01:04:26.000 But it is one of the most spectacular examples of government gone good.

01:04:31.000 So let's just open the kimono here and describe what really happened.

01:04:35.000 We got these great drug deals with most favorite nation drug pricing.

01:04:39.000 MFN drug pricing allows now Americans to have access to prices that, to your point, a tenth of what they used to be just a few months ago.

01:04:47.000 We have to put these prices somewhere so the American people had access to them.

01:04:51.000 So think of TrumpRx.gov as a transparency site.

01:04:54.000 No matter what you're out there doing and what you're thinking of buying, before you make a decision, you should go to TrumpRx.gov and just check out the site to make sure you're not getting ripped off or that maybe if there's a better price there, you might want to get it through the TrumpRx system.

01:05:05.000 Again, we don't make any money on it.

01:05:07.000 This is a transparency site.

01:05:09.000 This is a gift from the president to the American people.

01:05:12.000 Just take advantage of this transparency site.

01:05:14.000 So you're going to go out there and let's say you want to buy a weight loss drug, GLP1 drug.

01:05:18.000 You go to TrumpRx.gov.

01:05:25.000 If you go to a And are you still going to get from the same store?

01:05:30.000 You could.

01:05:30.000 Sometimes you can.

01:05:31.000 Sometimes you can buy it directly from the manufacturer.

01:05:34.000 Sometimes there's another place to get it.

01:05:35.000 It's okay.

01:05:36.000 The pharmaceutical industry and the pharmacies have both sort of chipped in here and been transparent about the pricing.

01:05:42.000 Just buy it from the best place.

01:05:44.000 That drives market forces to push the prices down.

01:05:46.000 So everyone gets the best prices.

01:05:48.000 There's still profit in this business.

01:05:49.000 No one's going bankrupt.

01:05:51.000 But now we're paying what they pay in Europe.

01:05:53.000 Not what, not, you know, several times what they're paying in Europe.

01:05:56.000 You go, you get the drug, and now you'll actually start to use it.

01:05:59.000 It opens up a marketplace.

01:06:00.000 So for the first time ever, we're giving Medicare beneficiaries access to GLP-1 drugs for obesity.

01:06:06.000 Why are we doing that?

01:06:07.000 Because we're going to save money for the taxpayers within two years.

01:06:10.000 Because if you're taking these medications and losing weight, and because you lose weight, you have less hypertension and less diabetes, and all the downstream problems that are caused by hypertension and diabetes, like strokes and heart attacks and kidney failure, we're going to save a lot of money.

01:06:24.000 And make people healthier.

01:06:25.000 So, both because you're able to keep working and because you're not charging money to the healthcare system unnecessarily, we're saving America money.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, so you may not always just get the benefit if you don't specifically ask or look about it, right?

01:06:37.000 Exactly.

01:06:38.000 I mean, that's the thing.

01:06:38.000 You need to know.

01:06:39.000 It may be available, but, you know, someone's not just going to give it to you.

01:06:42.000 I mean, the whole system sort of screwed up between pharmacies and the PBMs, and, you know, there's been a lot of pulling out.

01:06:48.000 So, if you're not specifically going out there and sort of proactively looking for it, favorite nations pricing may exist.

01:06:54.000 You may just not get it.

01:06:55.000 They're not just going to give it to you automatically.

01:06:57.000 And that, you know, at this point, it becomes buyer beware.

01:07:00.000 Once we put all the numbers there and made it easy for you to access them, now it's a little bit of an obligation on you.

01:07:04.000 But I'll give you one concrete example.

01:07:06.000 It's actually one of the most popular things on TrumpRx.gov.

01:07:09.000 Fertility drugs.

01:07:10.000 So, one in three Americans is under-babied. 0.61

01:07:13.000 By that I mean, they either have no children or they want to have more than they have.

01:07:16.000 One in three.

01:07:17.000 Our fertility rate, I don't know if you saw the, you know, just this week the new numbers came out.

01:07:21.000 1.47.

01:07:22.000 That's, I mean, shockingly low.

01:07:24.000 When you and I were young.

01:07:26.000 That's not getting to replacement value at all.

01:07:28.000 Replacement value is 2.1.

01:07:30.000 2.1 because you do lose some children.

01:07:32.000 They, you know, so you have to make more than the father and the mother.

01:07:35.000 They got to make more than two kids on average.

01:07:37.000 And so, we're now at 1.47. 1.00

01:07:39.000 One of the big reasons that's given for why Americans are under-babied is they can't afford To make the baby, they're having fertility issues. 0.73

01:07:46.000 So, the major drug that's used is a drug called gonol F.

01:07:49.000 And it comes with other drugs as well.

01:07:51.000 That drug costs $3,000, $4,000 in America.

01:07:54.000 It's a tenth that price in Europe.

01:07:56.000 That drug now is the same price in America as it is in Europe.

01:07:59.000 It's one tenth the price.

01:08:01.000 But you have to go through.

01:08:01.000 You got to go to TrumpRx.gov to get the medication at that price.

01:08:05.000 But now we're having Trump babies.

01:08:07.000 People are actually getting the medication there.

01:08:10.000 We're making Trump babies.

01:08:11.000 Well, but it's also, yeah, it's also gotten harder because, you know, people have gone into careers longer, women, you know, the whole.

01:08:18.000 And so, you know, starting in your forties is a lot harder.

01:08:20.000 It's a lot harder, A, to do it.

01:08:22.000 You've put off a lot of those years.

01:08:24.000 And so I would think the IVF, drugs, and all of these things, if that's part of it, that's a huge deal.

01:08:31.000 And it allows people to actually, many of whom, you probably know a lot of them because I know IVF was a huge part of your practice prior to you taking a government job and doing this.

01:08:41.000 But people just couldn't afford to do it, even if they wanted to, even if they regretted perhaps waiting so long because of a career that ultimately their corporation then fired them or they went nowhere.

01:08:50.000 And they're saying, wait, I just gave up my effectively fertile years to do this.

01:08:55.000 We have the ability to extend that stuff.

01:08:57.000 People can do these things, they just weren't always aware.

01:08:59.000 And it's, it's the classically American thing is give everyone a fair chance.

01:09:04.000 Get people in the playing field and let them do their best.

01:09:06.000 But if you can't afford to get on the fail, the playing field, you can't afford the price of admission, then you get boxed out.

01:09:11.000 And it's really a tragedy because a lot of people would love to have children.

01:09:16.000 They'd be great parents, but you can't afford these massive numbers.

01:09:20.000 And so by bringing down drug prices, which are an important part of fertility, uh, practices, you're now democratizing making babies.

01:09:29.000 It's as creative.

01:09:31.000 And opportunities you can offer literally the American people.

01:09:34.000 And it all came about because the Trump administration led by your dad said enough is enough.

01:09:39.000 So TrumpRx.gov is an incredibly important part of our efforts philosophically.

01:09:44.000 It's not just a money saver.

01:09:46.000 It's the ultimate definition of fairness.

01:09:48.000 And it's a big deal because it's also, again, it's not just Some sort of drug.

01:09:53.000 I mean, if you can use it for GLP 1s and weight loss drugs, that also has a health benefit, obviously.

01:09:58.000 In the end, if you can use it for IVF, I mean, it's not just probably what you're thinking of typically in your prescription.

01:10:05.000 It's literally anything you could be using.

01:10:06.000 Yeah, and we're adding more drugs.

01:10:08.000 Like today, literally added more drugs before I came to sit down with you.

01:10:12.000 And we're going to continue adding drugs.

01:10:14.000 You've talked earlier about the message not getting out.

01:10:17.000 One of the reasons I wanted to spend some time talking to you is because podcasts are an incredibly effective way to get people just to stop.

01:10:24.000 Do the merry go round for a minute and just focus it on a few things that are life changing.

01:10:29.000 What we are recognizing now in America is we could actually fix the problems we've all been lamenting.

01:10:37.000 And I don't care where you are in the political spectrum.

01:10:39.000 There have been some very brave decisions taken by this administration because there's a leader, your dad, who has over and over again said, I don't care.

01:10:46.000 I'm going to do the right thing.

01:10:48.000 And so when you've got someone who's got the fortitude, the cojones to make these choices, we need to finish the job.

01:10:56.000 We've dropped, we've, we've brought affordability to healthcare in several ways.

01:10:56.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 We're most favoritization drug pricing with TrumpRx.gov is the ultimate payoff, taking out the fraud, waste and abuse in the system.

01:11:07.000 Challenging some of the legalized money laundering that was bankrupting the healthcare system.

01:11:11.000 We saved Medicaid.

01:11:13.000 Your dad did and Congress did with the working families tax cut legislation.

01:11:16.000 Uh, we have had huge impact on tax bills, which right now Americans are finally realized what a big gift this was to get them back on their feet again.

01:11:24.000 But some of the challenges that were created in the past four years will take time to fix.

01:11:29.000 We cannot stop moving forward.

01:11:31.000 There's a famous line that, um, Winston Churchill offered during the darkest days of the Battle of Britain in 1940 as the Second World War was progressing.

01:11:40.000 So, when you're going through hell, it's no time to stop.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:44.000 We are moving forward in positive ways in so many of the existential challenges to our nation.

01:11:50.000 Challenges that, as a people, we would be defined by.

01:11:54.000 And when I go out and recruit people to enter government, which is the most important thing I do, Don, it's the, and I do think it's probably true for a lot of folks in the administration.

01:12:02.000 You know, my job is to hire the smartest people I can find and make sure they don't kill each other.

01:12:07.000 Literally, just get them in there and let them fix the problem.

01:12:10.000 TrumpRx.gov is beautiful because Joe Jebia and Ed Corstein, these brilliant programmers and designers, Ed, you know, is a, is a brilliant 20 year old and, and Joe Jebia built, uh, uh, Airbnb.

01:12:23.000 Yeah.

01:12:23.000 They don't, they're donating their time and their lives to fixing the, the, the front end of the U.S. government websites.

01:12:32.000 But when they build a world class website like TrumpRx.gov, that's the fastest processor of any website I've ever seen in my life.

01:12:40.000 That's a donation to the American people.

01:12:42.000 When the prices that are put in there are negotiated by world class negotiators who are never in government normally.

01:12:49.000 And in fact, if you talk to our counterparties in pharma, they want to hire these guys.

01:12:53.000 They've never seen negotiators like these folks.

01:12:55.000 When you have world class folks like David Sachs who's trying to get AI to be part of the next generation of American leaders, because that way we'll stay ahead of China.

01:13:04.000 When we got things like Secretary Kennedy who are bravely taking on the food industrial complex, you don't get these folks in the room usually.

01:13:13.000 Mike, I pray we continue this unique time in American history, a Camelot type experience for the next couple years so the president can finish his agenda.

01:13:23.000 Because we will lead this country so much stronger if we can pull that off.

01:13:26.000 I mean, I think that's such an important point.

01:13:27.000 I mean, you know, people who are willing to step out of the private sector, good jobs, making a lot of money.

01:13:32.000 I mean, you did it yourself.

01:13:33.000 I mean, you, incredibly successful doctor, incredible, incredibly successful businesses, TV personality, all of these things.

01:13:42.000 I mean, you sort of had an interesting, you know, way of getting in it. 0.99

01:13:45.000 Like my father, he sort of, after a while, was like, I'm sick of this shit. 0.98

01:13:48.000 We, we, we can't just throw stones from the sidelines. 1.00

01:13:50.000 We got to get in the game.

01:13:52.000 I mean, you actually ran for Senate against, you know, John Fetterman before ever taking this job.

01:13:56.000 Talk a little bit about that because A, I know from experience, it takes a lot of guts to get into that, especially in the worlds that you came from, certainly the world that my father came from in New York City as a real estate developer, you know, in the industry.

01:14:09.000 Now, you know, whether, and this, what you're doing is really apolitical, but like, you're working for a guy that's a Republican.

01:14:16.000 And so I imagine that wasn't easy.

01:14:19.000 Talk a little bit about that because it sort of feels like you went through hell in a Senate race.

01:14:24.000 That's a brutal type of thing.

01:14:26.000 Didn't win, but now you end up here.

01:14:28.000 I mean, just opening that door to be available to fix these things seems like such an incredible experience.

01:14:34.000 Tell me what that was like. 0.99

01:14:36.000 Your dad is very fond of commenting how lucky I am that I lost that race. 0.99

01:14:41.000 Yeah, it was the only thing you ever lost. 1.00

01:14:43.000 You're probably better off having lost in a certain way.

01:14:45.000 Well, I think he's right.

01:14:46.000 And there is a God.

01:14:47.000 You look for your purpose.

01:14:49.000 I've always believed that was the change business.

01:14:51.000 Yeah.

01:14:51.000 I wanted to change the way we practice heart surgery.

01:14:53.000 I wanted to change the way we talked about health.

01:14:55.000 That's why I launched the show.

01:14:57.000 Um, I, I, I ran for government office because I, I really felt that the bigger changes needed to involve, in my, my case, the Senate.

01:15:06.000 Um, it was very painful to lose that race.

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:08.000 You know, it's interesting was because before you run for an office, you should do opposition research on yourself.

01:15:14.000 So I hired a group to just find out where all the warts are in my past.

01:15:17.000 No one's perfect.

01:15:18.000 And the guys came back and they said, gosh, this is remarkably good.

01:15:21.000 And I said, oh my goodness.

01:15:22.000 Sat up.

01:15:23.000 I was so proud of.

01:15:24.000 Wow.

01:15:24.000 You know, I've had a flawless life.

01:15:26.000 You know, no major issues.

01:15:27.000 And they said, that's not good.

01:15:29.000 I said, what do you mean?

01:15:30.000 He said, if there's nothing that's obviously a blemish, they're going to have to manufacture something that's plausible.

01:15:36.000 Which makes it worse.

01:15:36.000 Yeah.

01:15:37.000 So you don't, now you don't know where it's coming from.

01:15:39.000 And they're going to make up stories about you that are believable, plausible, because they're going to have to do something.

01:15:43.000 They're not going to just let you win.

01:15:45.000 And so you go through and your family does a lot of pain through that process.

01:15:49.000 But I liken it to the samurai sword.

01:15:52.000 I think this is true for your family as well.

01:15:54.000 The samurais would take steel and they'd bend it and heat it and hammer it.

01:16:00.000 And then they'd bend it again and heat it and hammer it.

01:16:02.000 And they did it enough times that they could make the steel so strong that it could not be broken.

01:16:08.000 And when you go through those difficult times, I actually find that it does steal you.

01:16:14.000 And in my case, I think my family is better able to deal with the incoming now.

01:16:18.000 But you also realize.

01:16:20.000 But it is a culture shock at first, right?

01:16:22.000 I mean, it's like a cold plug.

01:16:23.000 It's like you guys were loved by everyone and then now you're going to piss off some people.

01:16:27.000 A lot of people that I thought my friends were clearing.

01:16:29.000 Didn't say I wasn't their friend anymore.

01:16:32.000 But I tell you, there are a lot of folks that are not cowards that will bravely say, listen, I appreciate that you're doing this.

01:16:38.000 I know you would.

01:16:39.000 Well, it's guys like you that also opened the door for others who should be doing what you're doing instead of people who are just like, well, you're there.

01:16:45.000 So you're a bureaucrat.

01:16:46.000 Get in there.

01:16:47.000 I mean, I think just opening that door for other real people to say, you know what?

01:16:50.000 I'm going to take a couple of years of my life to actually make this change is a huge, is a huge deal.

01:16:55.000 And it is a generational opportunity.

01:16:57.000 And what I tell every person that I'm trying to recruit.

01:16:59.000 And right now, in case you're not clear, I'm trying to recruit you because if you're listening to this podcast, you could help.

01:17:04.000 And I'll speak about this, you know, obviously from my health perspective, but it's true of any arm of government.

01:17:09.000 If you do not come and join us now in this generational opportunity to change our country for the better, you will regret it for the rest of your life.

01:17:17.000 And here's why.

01:17:19.000 If we succeed, you could have been part of history and you'll have missed out.

01:17:23.000 You could have been in the room and you'll be watching from the sidelines.

01:17:26.000 And if we fail, which we're not going to, but if we fail, you'll blame yourself for not helping.

01:17:32.000 We don't have the luxury of being intellectuals.

01:17:35.000 And as a surgeon, that's one of the Your fundamental insights you have in your time of need when the patient's bleeding out and you've got to make that stitch, you do not want to be surrounded by intellectuals.

01:17:47.000 You're going to be surrounded by people of action who are willing to stake a position and move forward.

01:17:52.000 And I think that's our greatest opportunity.

01:17:54.000 You know, I love heart surgeries.

01:17:56.000 It was my passion my whole life.

01:17:58.000 I still take great pride in my heritage.

01:18:02.000 Government is just like surgery, it's just a lot bloodier.

01:18:05.000 So come on down.

01:18:05.000 That's politics.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:07.000 Come join us.

01:18:08.000 That's awesome.

01:18:09.000 You know, with all of the things that you're talking about, you know, on your plate, dealing with the fraud, dealing with the upside, you know, I'd love you to touch a little bit on sort of the overall aspects of Maha as well.

01:18:20.000 But, but what is between Maha and, and generally, you know, what does victory look like?

01:18:25.000 You get another, you know, two and a half years.

01:18:28.000 What does victory look like when you come out of this thing?

01:18:30.000 Uh, what do you want to have accomplished?

01:18:33.000 Victory for me is having a relationship with 170 million people.

01:18:37.000 Who are my customers?

01:18:40.000 More than half American adults are touched by us. 0.93

01:18:44.000 And so, and most kids are born in the Medicaid. 0.80

01:18:47.000 Yeah.

01:18:47.000 So we have a lot of people whose lives we can improve if I can just talk to them.

01:18:53.000 So I believe that we will be able to use agentic AI to reach out and be in conversation with you in any way you want.

01:19:01.000 I'll meet you where you are.

01:19:02.000 You want to disclose your medical records because they're yours and you own them.

01:19:05.000 We'll take them and help you identify what's important and all the risk factors you ought to be worried about.

01:19:09.000 And we'll help you find the right doctor and make the right treatments available and make sure you can afford all these care opportunities.

01:19:16.000 If you want to stay more private, that's fine too.

01:19:17.000 Wherever you are, I just want to be able to make sure you know that we're here to help without weaponizing a surveillance system that could control your life.

01:19:27.000 That is a balancing act that we have to respect, it is hard to do.

01:19:31.000 Yeah, that's a big fear on our side of the aisle, right?

01:19:33.000 I mean, you saw what happened.

01:19:35.000 It seems like everything was always weaponized against conservatives, whether it was media, whether it was search engines, whether it was shadow banning.

01:19:44.000 There's a lot of, and rightfully so, skepticism on our side.

01:19:47.000 And yet, with the advent of these technologies, When your health is on the line, there has to be a fine balance of having some trust that maybe you can get some more information that you wouldn't otherwise have.

01:19:59.000 You're going to want to have your own AI to protect you.

01:20:02.000 This is going to happen whether you wanted to or not.

01:20:03.000 And listen, you met my wife.

01:20:05.000 Lisa is about as far out there as you can get in not trusting big government, big data. 0.76

01:20:14.000 She's Mensa, right?

01:20:16.000 In my house, the prophecy should work.

01:20:19.000 Very similar.

01:20:19.000 Even when she talks with Bettina, I'm like, I've got to break out the tinfoil hats for all of you guys.

01:20:23.000 And I'm pretty.

01:20:24.000 Freaking conspiratorial, so I guess it's just, but she's what she often says. 1.00

01:20:29.000 If you're not a conspiracy theorist by now, you're a fool. 1.00

01:20:31.000 Yeah, you're an idiot. 1.00

01:20:32.000 Yeah, 100% right. 1.00

01:20:33.000 But there's things that I do believe we're going to have to accept are coming down the pike at us.

01:20:39.000 And it's not whether you want it to happen, but how you're going to protect yourself when it does happen.

01:20:43.000 And there's too many opportunities for us to help, especially folks who've fallen or having trouble getting up, folks with substance use disorder, a lot of folks who are vulnerable or having issues with mental health concerns.

01:20:52.000 I mean, if I'm trying to deliver mental health services in rural America.

01:20:56.000 And one of the greatest gifts that your dad and, um, and Congress has given to the American people is the Rural Health Transformation Fund.

01:21:02.000 50 million, 50 billion dollars.

01:21:05.000 50% more money than ever before put by Medicaid into rural health is going into rural health.

01:21:10.000 It's already now.

01:21:10.000 It's already out there.

01:21:11.000 And that's a opportunity for us to right size rural health care.

01:21:14.000 One of the ways we're going to have to do it is to meet folks with mental health conditions with avatars.

01:21:20.000 Why?

01:21:20.000 Because we don't have enough people to do it.

01:21:22.000 There are not enough mental health practitioners to the 60 million Americans listening right now in rural America.

01:21:27.000 So we're going to have to find solutions.

01:21:29.000 The question is, how do we make sure these folks don't destroy your life or penalize you because you don't think the way, the right way?

01:21:35.000 Correct.

01:21:35.000 And so that's why I encourage folks to get involved.

01:21:38.000 You know, help us find better answers.

01:21:40.000 If the only people thinking about these are folks trying to monetize it and profit off it, they're not going to care about you.

01:21:44.000 Yeah, even when it comes to that, I mean, getting people involved can also be, you know, even on the whistleblower side.

01:21:50.000 I mean, people see some of this stuff going on.

01:21:52.000 People see some of this fraud.

01:21:53.000 And yet, in the prior administration, it feels like the whistleblowers were the people that were penalized, uh, you know, and held accountable for doing the right thing.

01:22:01.000 Not, not the people committing the fraud.

01:22:03.000 I mean, can we make people comfortable that, hey, if you're seeing something that's bad going on, point it out that there's good, people are going to be receptive to that.

01:22:13.000 Listen, the, uh, the, the arc of history bends towards truth.

01:22:17.000 Yeah.

01:22:18.000 Eventually, those whistleblowers do get heard.

01:22:20.000 I mean, our biggest allies in Minnesota taking on the fraud, especially from the Somalians, but others as well, including folks serving in Minnesota, uh, were the whistleblowers who were ostracized, driven out of government, penalized by being moved to obscure areas in the administration.

01:22:35.000 And, uh, now when they have a chance, they're very clear about what went wrong.

01:22:39.000 So, uh, it does take brave people, but that's what it's always taken.

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:43.000 Right?

01:22:43.000 You know, you don't change society with, with committees and You know, and, you know, these folks are talking to each other at the faculty lounge with their tweed jackets as they smoke a pipe.

01:22:54.000 Society changes because a few powerful, passionate people don't take no for an answer and just keep pushing until they get heard.

01:23:03.000 And I have confidence that's what's going to happen in America.

01:23:06.000 That's why I trust elections when they're done right.

01:23:09.000 If we are able to actually clean up some of the fraud that's out there and allow the American people to speak, they will make the right decision.

01:23:15.000 They made the right decision in 2024, despite an overwhelming avalanche of media.

01:23:22.000 That was against us because they saw through it.

01:23:25.000 And I think they'll make the right decision in 26 and 28.

01:23:28.000 And until the Democratic Party course corrects, and I think they will, there's plenty of Democrats now who are quite loudly saying we've lost our way.

01:23:35.000 I mean, when we have, I just read this morning, it's frustrating, you know, nuns providing care to terminal patients being criticized by the state of New York because they're not willing to offer DEI and transgender concepts.

01:23:52.000 To these terminal patients.

01:23:54.000 I mean, what are you talking about?

01:23:56.000 Like, no Democrat wants that.

01:23:57.000 It's like a South Park episode.

01:23:59.000 This is all performative.

01:24:01.000 My son, Oliver, who you know, he's an intern now at Columbia, but he just finished medical school.

01:24:07.000 And when he was going through medical school, they kept training him that he had to introduce himself to patients by his pronouns.

01:24:14.000 And he said, no, I'm not going to do that.

01:24:15.000 I'm not going to talk to an 80 year old Korean war vet who's going into open heart surgery and say, I met he, him.

01:24:22.000 He doesn't care.

01:24:23.000 And why am I interviewing him?

01:24:24.000 He's going to cardiac arrest just hearing that.

01:24:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:26.000 I mean, why, but why am I imposing my belief systems on him?

01:24:30.000 Let him be a patient.

01:24:31.000 By Oliver, I'll just go ahead and tell you, because this is, you know, I think you'll treat this with, you know, the sensitivity that you should. 0.64

01:24:39.000 Oliver was in medical school taught how to separate kids From their parents, so he could ask them about gender issues.

01:24:49.000 And Oliver said, I am not going to do that.

01:24:52.000 That is grooming.

01:24:53.000 If the parents have an issue, they will come and ask our advice.

01:24:57.000 But I'm not going to get between a parent and their child and introduce complicated concepts that are going to be very difficult for the family to address later on.

01:25:05.000 I just don't think that's right.

01:25:07.000 And they dinged him.

01:25:08.000 Are you able to, you know, from where you are through HHS, are you guys able to do anything about that?

01:25:13.000 And, you know, you see that a lot these days the indoctrination within the medical school systems, the same.

01:25:18.000 You know, forcing those sorts of things, uh.

01:25:20.000 Well, one of the things that you realize in government is elections have consequences.

01:25:24.000 The American people brought your father and Vice President Vance, who runs the task force, into government to fix these problems.

01:25:31.000 So in this particular case, and there's a whole work stream around this that we were successfully able to complete.

01:25:36.000 We first wrote a white paper, which you might say, who cares about that? 0.88

01:25:39.000 Because it put all the evidence out there that the transgender procedures, the gender changing, rejecting procedures were a lie. 0.97

01:25:46.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:25:46.000 We then, uh. 0.91

01:25:48.000 Oh, the recidivism rate was like in the 90%.

01:25:50.000 You know, people.

01:25:51.000 People were pushed to do this.

01:25:52.000 They were manipulated into doing this, uh, indoctrinated into these things, groomed.

01:25:58.000 And a couple years later, they realized like, wait a minute, this hasn't actually solved any of my problems.

01:26:02.000 It's actually made it much worse.

01:26:04.000 The lies around these procedures were exposed. 0.68

01:26:06.000 In fact, the Europeans have now come back and they no longer are advocating for these procedures. 0.63

01:26:12.000 But we took this white paper.

01:26:13.000 We used it to write a rule.

01:26:15.000 What's how government changes policy?

01:26:17.000 We wrote a rule saying you may not use federal tax dollars in Medicaid to pay for gender rejecting procedures. 0.99

01:26:23.000 That, that, that rule, which was a, you know, we caught hell for it, but it's the right thing to do.

01:26:27.000 And then we went out, and this is really important.

01:26:29.000 We went to the major medical societies and to the medical schools, and we made it very clear what we expect them to do and what the data was, uh, out there needed to be respected.

01:26:38.000 So the, God bless them.

01:26:39.000 The plastic surgeons put their hand up.

01:26:41.000 They went first and said, we're the people who do these operations.

01:26:44.000 We no longer advocate for them until you're 19 years of age.

01:26:48.000 Which, by the way, I'm fine with.

01:26:49.000 When children are.

01:26:49.000 If you're an adult, you can do your own thing.

01:26:51.000 No, but kids may long, no longer get these procedures because they're experiments.

01:26:56.000 And unless you're doing them in a clinical trial, you should not be selling this stuff because people are making a lot of money.

01:27:00.000 You know how much it costs to, to, to, to take, you know, to do gender operation, create a new penis, to take off breasts?

01:27:07.000 These are hundreds of thousands of dollars. 0.97

01:27:09.000 You get paid more to take a breast off a child than a woman who has breast cancer. 0.79

01:27:14.000 Crazy.

01:27:15.000 We actually pay more for a gender-rejecting mastectomy than a woman with breast cancer having her breast taken off appropriately. 0.59

01:27:23.000 So this kind of stuff, we stopped.

01:27:24.000 Not happening.

01:27:25.000 And the medical societies, because you know what you learn?

01:27:28.000 You have these advocates that get in there and they pollute the system and they intimidate people, literally scare them.

01:27:33.000 It's all an intimidation thing.

01:27:35.000 Once we come to their help, once we come in and say, you know what, you're allowed to say what you believe, you may no longer be intimidated, they change.

01:27:42.000 So the plastic surgeons went first, then the American Medical Association, God bless them, Say, you know what?

01:27:48.000 We trust the plastic surgeons.

01:27:50.000 We're going to support their position.

01:27:51.000 Wow.

01:27:52.000 And now you see the medical society.

01:27:54.000 That's a big change.

01:27:55.000 It is.

01:27:55.000 You know, from even the COVID era, where if you said, hey, maybe the Wuhan virus started in a lab that studies the exact virus in question at the place that was ground zero, like, you couldn't say that.

01:28:05.000 I mean, of course it did.

01:28:06.000 Like, I got canceled.

01:28:08.000 I was thrown off social media because I said this.

01:28:09.000 Like, well, Don, you're not a virologist.

01:28:11.000 I go, I know I'm not a virologist. 1.00

01:28:12.000 I just don't have to be a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:28:14.000 Like, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:28:15.000 Like, this isn't wrong.

01:28:16.000 You don't need to be a virologist.

01:28:18.000 You just have to have a little bit of common sense.

01:28:19.000 And that was totally missing.

01:28:20.000 Common sense is not so common.

01:28:22.000 As you know.

01:28:22.000 And the ability for us to give voice to the many people who have common sense and actually happen to be world experts as well, like the plastic surgeons, to say what they believe is true.

01:28:33.000 And then turns out that the American Medical Association is comfortable supporting their brethren who are actually experts in this area.

01:28:39.000 You start to see the dominoes start to come back to us.

01:28:42.000 And that's why having brave people like your dad lead a government who don't care about getting canceled because you can't recancel somebody, don't care about the media not honoring what they're saying or covering what they're saying because they know the American people are curious.

01:28:55.000 And that's why podcasts like this matter a lot because what folks have heard today, I'm hoping they will share at the water cooler, at a cocktail party.

01:29:03.000 Just find an excuse to put this stuff on the agenda because it's only through podcasts like this that the American people get a version of reality that happens to be aligned with the truth.

01:29:14.000 Well, I appreciate you doing it.

01:29:16.000 And we're always happy to spread that word.

01:29:18.000 Dr. Oz, great seeing you as always.

01:29:19.000 God bless, Don.

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