On today's episode of Triggered, Natalie Winters and Alex Epstein join host Don Jr. to discuss the latest in the Tesla vs. Elon Musk vs. the Biden administration climate war, and why it's even worse than you think. Plus, Brad Schimel is running for the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and the Democratic National Committee is out in full swing.
00:05:23.000Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
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00:05:36.000Tonight we have War Room co-host Natalie Winters.
00:05:39.000She'll be here with some investigations into just who's organizing these attacks against Tesla, Tesla dealerships, Tesla owners, Ultimately, Elon Musk.
00:05:51.000And we'll also have author of Fossil Future, Alex Epstein, will be here to explain all the ways the Biden administration stalled energy projection here in America.
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00:07:56.000If you live in Wisconsin and you haven't already voted, please go do so.
00:08:01.000Maybe still today, but certainly tomorrow.
00:08:04.000Whoever wins that race will control the court, and it has implications far beyond Wisconsin.
00:08:11.000Democrats are already salivating over the chance to redraw the maps and gerrymander red seats to blue, which could change control of Congress.
00:08:20.000So, Wisconsin, you have to get out there and vote for Brad Schimel.
00:08:24.000Okay, it's not even, it's a no-brainer.
00:09:07.000The importance of the election on Tuesday is gigantic.
00:09:11.000It could decide the future of the House of Representatives.
00:09:14.000It could decide then the future of America and the future of the world.
00:09:18.000So, it's absolutely critical that you really, you need to just drag friends and family to vote on Tuesday for Justice Schimel and for Voter ID.
00:09:42.000Again, guys, if you're one of the 1.7 million Wisconsin voters who voted for my father and you want to ensure we keep delivering on the America First mission, you must get out and vote for Brad Schimel on Tuesday.
00:09:56.000Otherwise, we'll see more Democrat dirty tricks, more endless investigations, and more insane lawfare madness, okay?
00:10:04.000Don't forget about that one, Wisconsin.
00:10:06.000But this also goes for the special elections In Florida, okay?
00:10:11.000Florida 1 and Florida 6. The old Matt Gaetz seat?
00:10:14.000I think that's Florida 1. And the Mike Walsh seat in Florida 6?
00:11:05.000Whatever it is, just get out and do it.
00:11:08.000And meanwhile, guys, we're continuing to see more and more evidence of how the swamp is trying to stand in the way of everything and anything the Trump administration does.
00:11:19.000One thing we don't need more of is far-left activist judges.
00:11:24.000For example, as Missouri Senator, friend of the show Eric Schmidt pointed out, Judge James Boasberg has now been assigned to his fourth, his fourth major Trump case.
00:11:36.000It's supposed to be a random draw, folks.
00:12:10.000Anything that related to Trump or anything conservative always ends up with the same radical clown.
00:12:15.000So I think Eric actually nails it with his tweet.
00:12:19.000OK. Administrative court clerks offices assign cases to specific judges behind closed doors.
00:12:26.000We need to see what's going on behind the scenes because clearly this is not at all random.
00:12:34.000Of course, this is the exact playbook we've seen from the left ever since my father came down the golden escalator in 2015.
00:12:41.000They will weaponize the government with no limits.
00:12:44.000They will throw political opponents in prison.
00:12:47.000They will try to destroy anyone who supports my father and your favorite president, Donald Trump.
00:12:53.000And we're seeing these same corrupt operations abroad.
00:12:56.000Where in France, Marie Le Pen, the leader of the conservative party there, is currently the frontrunner to be the next president of France.
00:13:04.000We saw what happened last time when she was the frontrunner.
00:16:23.000In some cases, fueling that fire quite literally.
00:16:26.000Because our next guest, Natalie Winters, uncovered links between this violence and a left-wing group called Indivisible.
00:16:34.000Now the group secretly deleted board members from their website and erased the name of their executive team staff after their suspicious behavior came to light.
00:16:49.000And the leader of this Soros back group is on tape comparing their anti-Trump agitation to Mao's flowers movement.
00:16:57.000Okay, for context guys, That communist movement in the middle of the 20th century led to the murder, imprisonment, and persecution of countless people in China.
00:17:09.000You know, this is a let a thousand flowers bloom kind of moment where lots of people are going to have ideas and move with them and run with them.
00:17:17.000We're going to kind of focus in on specific strategic interventions that we think we can really focus on for ourselves.
00:17:23.000But Just wanted to say that because I know there's some people who are disappointed and wanted to have more there, but we do not have more.
00:17:30.000One thing about these left-wing extremists is they're not even trying to hide just how eager they are for actual violence and destruction.
00:17:57.000But first off, tell us what you've uncovered about these Tesla protests and their links to these far-left groups.
00:18:06.000Well, I'm sure you remember how your father used to always say, they're just doing to me what they really want to do to you guys, my supporters.
00:18:13.000And I think now it's really clearer than ever that what they want to do to MAGA supporters, the people who voted for President Trump, is essentially just what they're doing to Tesla cars, right?
00:18:21.000Maybe they're just too scared to actually do it to MAGA supporters themselves.
00:18:25.000When you really drill down into who's funding this, right, this idea you see it in left-wing media all the time that it's organic and the people just are so opposed to cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:18:43.000They're bankrolled, not just by a foreign Swiss billionaire, but more to the point, they're part of that left wing dark money, Arabella advisors, new venture fund, 1630 fund, whole apparatus.
00:18:55.000And when you really start to tug on that string, you find groups like Indivisible, which has become the railhead of sort of the anti-Tesla, anti-Doge, anti-stopping waste fraud and abuse group.
00:19:06.000It was funded overwhelmingly by the Open Society Foundations.
00:19:10.000As you were alluding to, ever since being called out, they've started erasing webpages that reveal reimbursements, in some cases up to $200, in some cases up to $1,500 for groups who are opposing President Trump and Elon Musk.
00:19:22.000They've started wiping their board members, most notoriously the wife of Matthew Graves, who was the D.C.
00:19:30.000attorney who was responsible for over 1,500 persecutions, prosecutions of J6ers.
00:19:35.000So this is a very, very, shall we say, problematic group.
00:19:43.000I mean, obviously, you know, Elon's going to be the big target right now, just because all, frankly, he's just been so effective at eliminating all these All the waste, fraud and abuse that's basically been a back channel funneling money to these leftist organizations for decades.
00:19:58.000Any other thoughts on what they may be focused on next?
00:20:02.000Well, look, I think this fits in very nicely with what is sort of the color revolution framework that people like Norm Eisen and a lot of the sort of MSNBC lawfare crew who sharpened their knives for the last four years with the various indictments We're good.
00:20:16.000President Trump, but one of the core tenets of that beyond the impeachments, the stuff that we've already seen, is this sort of idea that the American people are so adamantly opposed to what your father is doing, to what Elon is doing, particularly with Doge.
00:20:30.000So that's why when you watch MSNBC, when you watch Rachel Maddow, you're going to be Even though these protesters are crazy and deranged, they don't represent the majority of America.
00:20:39.000But for the first time ever, the Madhouse Show debuted a 20 box where they had 20 concurrent live streams of all the protests going on across the country.
00:20:47.000So it's very clear that they love this idea, this sort of astroturf narrative, that there is a lot of organic opposition to President Trump.
00:20:56.000And it's sort of to the point where when Indivisible has their weekly town halls, they always like to stress the idea that they're, you know, grassroots funded and citizen funded.
00:21:04.000Because when you really pull the curtain back and you see that these are essentially just paid protesters, paid activists who are doing the bidding of left wing oligarchs, it sort of, I think, negates their go to talking point that, you know, Elon is unelected or that left wing oligarchs, you know, or right wing oligarchs, we need to remove them from power.
00:21:22.000They have a lot more large countrywide demonstrations planned, particularly focusing on doge.
00:21:29.000They're also calling for arresting your father and impeaching your father.
00:21:38.000Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem like they're unwilling to move the goalposts to wherever that may be.
00:22:12.000Well, yeah, and to that point, I mean, I think the right wing, I think shows like yours, shows like War Room, people like Scott Pressler, if you want to have a conversation about, you know, grassroots activism, I missed all the media coverage of what the War Room audience did, right?
00:22:26.000I missed all the coverage of the town halls that we held, sort of lighting up Democrats for voting to continue Biden-level spending.
00:22:36.000And I think when you really start to look at who is behind this movement, it's the same organizers, it's the same activists who were protesting, whether it was the pro-Hamas demonstrations, the pro-BLM, they're all cut from the same plot.
00:22:49.000They're sort of like guerrilla troops just waiting to be weaponized against whatever the issue may be.
00:22:55.000And I think it really goes back to something that we saw quite prevalently, I think, among the sort of legacy media outlets just in the days after the election, which was this narrative that I'm sure you've heard, That this wasn't what the American people voted for, right?
00:23:08.000They didn't vote for mass deportations.
00:23:10.000They didn't vote for cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:23:12.000It's sort of the establishment's effort to, I think, reframe what the Trump agenda is about, what the America First movement is about.
00:23:19.000And I think that this whole Doge idea is a very key component, right?
00:23:23.000The idea that Americans overwhelmingly don't support The agenda of this administration, but it's not actual Americans.
00:23:31.000It's, you know, people who are being paid, subsidized, or reimbursed to oppose it rather violently at that.
00:23:52.000Like, some of these things actually take a little bit of time.
00:23:54.000We have to play that long game, not just go for the instant gratification that these guys are so used to.
00:24:00.000You know, it's part of perhaps the problem of two-year election cycles and whatnot for Congress.
00:24:04.000Everyone's taking Making bad short-term decisions to win votes rather than good long-term decisions for the country.
00:24:11.000Well, maybe if these judges didn't keep stepping in the way and this agenda was actually being able to be rolled out, we'd see, you know, quicker, I think, results.
00:24:19.000But I think thus far it's been absolutely perfect.
00:24:22.000Wonderful, but I think, too, like, there's this idea, take the mass deportation sort of angle, vertical, for an example, right?
00:24:28.000The left is apoplectic over the idea that one or two people may have accidentally been swept up, which, no offense, I'm not going to take someone who's sitting in a, you know, El Salvadorian prison who will say anything to get out of there being represented by the ACLU, okay?
00:24:42.000They allege that maybe they were wrongfully detained.
00:24:46.000Maybe Joe Biden shouldn't have let over 10 million illegal aliens into this country, because that's certainly going to Yeah, Thank God we have your father back.
00:25:07.000But yeah, it's gonna take a little longer than seven minutes.
00:25:17.000Someone who was in here illegally was let in here, if they're inconvenienced for a couple hours or a couple days even, to get rid of the murderers and rapists that they've flooded our cities with seems like a...
00:25:33.000I think immigration is probably the largest issue that's a cross-cutting divide.
00:25:36.000It was why your father, when he came down the escalator, right?
00:25:38.000So I saw so many people were drawn to him.
00:25:40.000That's why the build-the-wall chants became so popular.
00:25:42.000And honestly, I think as we sort of go forward right into the midterms, into these elections, I think the left has sort of done their, you know, triage.
00:25:49.000They've had their kumbaya circles and tried to understand why they lost the last election.
00:25:54.000And I think they're really leaning into this whole idea that they're the new populists, right?
00:25:59.000I think it's quite reductive in their messaging.
00:26:01.000But when AOC and Bernie are barnstorming the country, holding their rallies, where they're lying about the size of it, which I think goes to that whole color revolution critique, you know, someone who wants to stand up there and say that they're fighting for American workers, for American families, when you click on AOC's website
00:26:17.000and the first webpage that you're hit with is a know your rights campaign, how to avoid ICE if you're an illegal alien, how to avoid deportation, illegal immigration and legal immigration is the single largest detrimental force to the economic power, wages, you named it, lived experience of the average American worker.
00:26:34.000So that I think hypocrisy and sort of double standard there is really the left's Achilles heel.
00:26:39.000And I think that what your father is doing on the border is exposing that because like you I mean, you know, even if they're not murderers or rapists, but if they're here illegally, I mean, it feels like, you know, your representatives probably shouldn't be doing that.
00:27:03.000I know if I was doing it, I'd probably get in a lot of trouble.
00:27:06.000Yeah, they should and I think to that point it's quite interesting.
00:27:09.000There's obviously a lot of discussion about act blue They have a lot of problems and mass exodus going on there.
00:27:14.000Maybe some self deportations are needed But act blue has also been responsible for financing and funding a lot of this open borders chaos I put out a story not too long ago, but identifying dozens at the end of the day probably over a hundred Organizations that fundraise using the act blue platform, But they're all sort of part of that open borders network, really from cradle to grave, from start to finish.
00:27:38.000These are NGOs that have set up water stations along the southern border, help identify migrants in third world countries that should come to the United States.
00:27:46.000And once they arrive and are in ICE or CBP custody, groups like Catholic Charities or their Lutheran counterpart are also using ActBlue to fundraise to then fly illegal aliens into the interior of the country.
00:27:58.000And a lot of these groups that are responsible for setting up these hotlines, the ones that AOC is recommending or sort of the.
00:28:36.000a lot of these act blue left-wing groups use, I think you're going to find some really explosive stuff there too.
00:28:42.000I don't think it's a coincidence that, what was it, like, the top seven people at ActBlue all resigned on the same day, and, like, the General Counsel was, like, reprimanded for being, like, talking about some of the shady stuff that was going on there.
00:28:52.000And, I mean, that's not a coincidence.
00:28:54.000I mean, I think we've been talking about this for a while, but if there was ever evidence that there's definitely something going on, I mean, that almost certainly is it to me.
00:29:02.000Yeah, and I think the fact, I mean, I watch a lot of media, I really exclusively watch left-wing media, I've yet to see someone come out...
00:29:09.000And really defend Act Blue, you know what I'm saying?
00:29:12.000They love to melt down over everything that Republicans do and I think shutting down Act Blue would really fit into their critique that, you know, the Trump administration is dictatorial and that what they're doing is autocratic or authoritarian.
00:29:25.000But I've yet to see anyone try to put their neck on the chopping block and say, you know what, Act Blue is actually an esteemed institution with integrity, we should defend it.
00:29:34.000I don't see anyone doing that, and I think when you really start probing into it, which I think congressional, Republicans need to actually do something and not just put out the strongly worded letters and do their performative dance.
00:29:43.000I think you're going to find a lot of concerning data points there, shall we say.
00:29:48.000Natalie, you also found some tape of the, you know, Open Society discussing plans to quote, redesign the world.
00:30:01.000So that was the president of the Open Society Foundations, obviously George Soros kind of main philanthropic entity that he uses to weaponize billions of dollars to really reshape the world with his globalist orientation.
00:30:16.000I was watching her speech and it really, I was about to say, gave me deja vu, but perhaps PTSD is a better descriptor.
00:30:23.000It's just sort of the World Economic Forum, right?
00:30:25.000The idea of you'll owe nothing and you'll be happy and the great reset and all these sort of weird agendas that really only derive from this kind of global government theory where the idea that these unelected bureaucrats, not just here in the United States, but sort of this global UN superstructure, should have any say over what we do.
00:30:43.000And she talks about wanting to redesign the world.
00:30:46.000I don't think anyone elected you to do that, but also that we need a new, quote, moral imagination.
00:31:47.000And to their core Marxist, I mean, I know it's always a right-wing trope that we call everyone a Marxist, but in this case, they're saying the quiet part out loud and admitting it.
00:31:55.000So, when we talk about the funding mechanisms, whether it's ActBlue or otherwise, and the structures around that, what exactly is the Soros network?
00:32:04.000How many different groups are we talking about in this?
00:32:07.000It's not just one guy that's funding all these things.
00:32:10.000There's all sorts of ties to the NGOs, and basically, he's getting loans from USAID for some of the networks that he's operating that are, frankly, just working back as globalist kickback schemes, aren't they?
00:32:21.000Yeah, so I always say the left kind of plays a similar game with all of the funding stuff that they do with the COVID origins theory in which they love to erase the evidence and then accuse us of spreading conspiracy theories because we quote-unquote don't have the evidence but in reality they're going out of their way to erase it and hide it and we see that with a lot of the ways that these 501c3s, the c4s, the 990 forms are structured and really to its core the dark money group that's not, you know, Just a witty catchphrase.
00:32:50.000You can't tell where it's coming from, and it's all intentional and by design.
00:32:53.000So Open Society Foundations is actually more transparent, if not probably the most, and sort of the Soros umbrella of networks.
00:33:01.000But there's really what is called Arabella Advisors, which you're not even talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, you're talking about billions of dollars.
00:33:09.000And that's sort of a collective pool amalgamation of funds from a lot of left-wing billionaires or just hardcore left-wing donor types, but it also sort of brings in some of the kind of never-Trump right too, like the Lincoln Project, the Reid-Hoffmans of the world, those types.
00:33:57.000And that's who is funding these groups.
00:33:59.000And there's some other important ones like the Tides Foundation, the Rockefeller, Philanthropies, the Gates Foundation.
00:34:05.000And I think it's so hard to get lost in it, right?
00:34:07.000Sort of like the Hunter Biden hard drive.
00:34:09.000There's so many names and people and it's crazy.
00:34:11.000But I think the important thing to remember is that The same groups who are funding, you know, the pro-COVID lockdowns, the pro-COVID vaccine propaganda, the pro-open borders, the anti-tariff campaigns, it's all the same people.
00:34:28.000And when the DNC had the huge crazy fire flag burning protests going on outside, and then inside they pretended like they liked the American flag for once, make no mistake, those people are funded by the exact same entity, the Tides Foundation, for example.
00:34:42.000So the Democratic Party They're all activists.
00:34:45.000It's just sort of a sliding scale of who I think is more convincing and pretending like they maybe like this country.
00:34:53.000But it also doesn't stop with just those networks.
00:34:56.000I mean, you recently posted a video about how Chinese companies are deceptively trying to buy up American companies.
00:35:02.000We actually did a story like that on the show right here, where we found a French CEO basically appearing on CCP media outlets and how he wants to buy up Midwestern health food probiotic companies.
00:35:17.000What do you think can be done about it?
00:35:20.000Yeah, I mean, I think what undergirds it is the idea that American sovereignty doesn't matter, right?
00:35:25.000Only politicians who don't believe that America is a country and borders matter would think it's a good idea to cede said territory to Chinese Communist Party linked entities.
00:35:34.000And I think the China threat is unique in the sense that they are not content with having a bipolar world order.
00:35:40.000They want to be the new global hegemon.
00:35:42.000And you can have the discussion about what being a global power means.
00:35:45.000But I don't think living in a world where Xi Jinping is the prevailing or predominant dictator is necessarily something that the American people want.
00:35:53.000But what it really goes back to is their theories, their approach is sort of infiltration, not invasion.
00:36:40.000But it's like 80 something percent of Americans fear the rise of China.
00:36:43.000And like, in that polling, right, the 1 in 10, 2 in 10 people who don't, that right there is the sort of ruling class, the managed decline sort of managers, right, who have profited quite handsomely, quite beautifully off of allowing these Chinese Communist Party-linked companies, entities, to purchase a lot of these companies here in the United States.
00:37:03.000And it's also, I mean, China, I think they own about one third of all sovereign wealth funds in terms of their investment, and they will partner with American firms like Goldman Sachs, for example.
00:37:12.000And then even under the auspices, so it's not technically a Chinese Communist Party run venture, right?
00:37:19.000Because like I said, it is economic warfare to them, and they're trying to take over this country from within without having to fire a shot.
00:37:27.000And I guess the last four years of Joe Biden made it a lot closer.
00:37:45.000As someone who has the honor and privilege to go there every day, as probably one of the most infamous members of the new media cohort, the people who are in there, I mean, they're such pseudo-intellectuals, they have such a superiority complex, and it's just kind of funny every time I walk through that door, they are aghast at looking at the presence of War Room or these other outlets in there.
00:38:04.000I always say, we're on a perpendicular Track and trend lines in terms of viewership.
00:38:09.000So maybe you shouldn't be judging the outlets that are absolutely trouncing you in terms of impact, too.
00:38:15.000But it just sort of shows you, right, these outdated ways of thinking.
00:38:21.000The people who do watch their shows hate them.
00:38:23.000They've also hemorrhaged their base because they lied to them for, what, months about the idea that democracy was the most important thing ever.
00:38:29.000Then they're running down to Mar-a-Lago to have Brunch with your father So it's glorious to watch them melt down, but they're hardcore activists And I think the important thing to stress is that you know, they tried to wage warfare the first term Against President Trump by impeaching him because they had the house right they had different levers of power They had some governmental or institutional apparatus to wage that war,
00:38:52.000but now they're so locked out of power that the media has become Exponentially more important to them in terms of a vertical to sort of fight back So that's why they're really so apoplectic over being, you know, kicked out of the pool.
00:39:05.000Hopefully they're kicked out of their seats.
00:39:07.000And I would argue, I'd say, take it all the way to the tent.
00:39:27.000They have no views and they're upset about people who actually have credibility because they haven't lied to their people.
00:39:32.000They've told them what is actually going on.
00:39:34.000Those people then build up a following and they feel like because, you know, 75 years ago, their institution, whatever it may be, got a front row seat that they should maintain that even if no one's actually reading their garbage anymore.
00:39:47.000I love eavesdropping on their conversations.
00:39:50.000I always for like 10 minutes before I go and do a hit I'll just sit in the briefing room and and listen and I was waiting in line for the restroom once and there were two people behind me and this was like peak doge cuts and the guy turns to his colleague and it's just like it was like Tuesday or something like I'm just so tired.
00:40:37.000But I will tough it out so the warm audience can have their reports from the White House lawn, but they're not pleasant people to be around.
00:40:43.000I definitely don't envy you having to even be remotely near most of those people.
00:40:48.000But talk more about how the White House is actually embracing this new media.
00:41:05.000Yeah, so I think there's been an interesting conflation from the legacy media outlets with the idea that new media is entirely dominated by conservative pro-Trump voices, which I think is actually a tacit admission that the rising media interest is in pro-Trump Conservative outlets, right? But I think it's certainly a reflection of what they were doing on the campaign.
00:41:25.000But there's outlets obviously like Worm in there, Daily Wire, Daily Signal, I think Tim Pool's show is now in there, Lindell TV, Turning Point, OAN has been there for a while.
00:41:36.000But I mean, the big thing is obviously being able to ask questions in the press briefing room, but also I think just the appearance of being able, right, to do hits from the White House lawn I think is something that gives our outlets a lot of credibility in sort of the, I guess, more legacy media game of, you know, shots mattering, but most recently they just did A podcast row on top of a radio row, so they invited a lot of podcasters.
00:42:00.000Not just, you know, explicitly hardcore pro-Trump outlets, but sort of everyone.
00:42:05.000And they circulated a lot of members of the cabinet and senior advisors to President Trump and allowed us to interview them for like 15 minutes each.
00:42:13.000So there's definitely an effort, I think.
00:42:16.000Not so much, you know, I think we were attacked for being state propaganda, to have, you know, we're not told what to say to echo their talking points, but just to, I think, give the, I think the most charitable way to frame it is for the people who voted and knocked doors for President Trump to give us access to the people that they worked to get elected,
00:42:34.000right? Why should CNN have a monopoly on those people when time and time again the only thing we've ever seen them do is exploit and abuse that privilege to try to get a gotcha question, which That's where I haven't seen to really get one, but they're just they're very petulant and just misguided.
00:42:49.000And like I said, pseudo intellectuals.
00:42:51.000Yeah. So you recently went on a left wing podcast.
00:43:11.000I love talking to people who I disagree with, because I think that a lot of right-wing media sometimes gets stuck in their own kind of echo chamber, right?
00:43:21.000And I think that that then gives these outlets sort of the chance to strawman our arguments.
00:43:27.000In other words, I think it was probably the first time that these two individuals had to defend the idea that deporting, you know, rapist gang member Yeah, I think that's a good question.
00:43:48.000I was also, I had the chance to go after Christopher Steele on the Piers Morgan show.
00:43:55.000I loved being able, you know, and you know why that was important?
00:43:57.000Because I think within the sort of left wing media sphere, just the establishment figures like him.
00:44:03.000Legacy and how they're perceived is very important to them, right?
00:44:06.000People like Fauci, I think, are a perfect example of that.
00:44:09.000And because they'll never go, or I guess mistakenly in the case of Christopher Steele, on outlets where they're going to get not attacked, but justifiably criticized, right?
00:44:19.000I think it's important to let them know and be a reminder of what the American people actually think of them.
00:44:24.000Because last time I checked, Christopher Steele, for everything that he has done to try to destroy this country and your father, not once has he ever been critically examined or really called out to his face about it.
00:44:47.000Uh, but, you know, this guy's a clown, but he thinks he's such, you know, a great thing because he basically perpetrated a lie on the American people.
00:44:56.000Yeah, and I think that accountability matters, right?
00:44:59.000And I think for so long, elected Republicans have sort of defined accountability as their, you know, nice, strongly worded letters and their tweets, and I think shows like yours, shows like War Room, and really the MAGA movement more broadly represent a sort of, I think, movement and adjusting of those goalposts to say, you know what? No, it's prison time for people who have committed crimes.
00:45:19.000It's investigations for people who need to be investigated.
00:45:22.000So if the opening salvo to that, if it takes a Natalie Winters rant against Christopher Steele for him to know that the American people do not like him, I will happily and humbly do that.
00:45:31.000But I think congressional Republicans and everyone else needs to step up their game because these are probably the easiest cases to prosecute in terms of lying and who knows financially what other crimes have been committed allegedly.
00:46:30.000And funnily enough, it's what The left-wing Indivisible group does too.
00:46:34.000They sort of culturally appropriated us, and I think that for our audience, the very nuanced and niche EOs, like going after the security clearances at these law firms, that is very retribution-coded, and they love it, and it demonstrates an understanding Well,
00:47:02.000Natalie, thank you so much for everything you're doing.
00:47:05.000We're going to continue following your work on War Room.
00:47:06.000Really appreciate you coming back on, and we will see you soon.
00:47:12.000Guys, in just a few moments, we'll get into all things energy with Fossil Future author Alex Epstein.
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00:48:09.000Now also tonight, we're learning more about just how destructive the Democrats' Green New Scam really is, guys.
00:48:17.000And how the Inflation Reduction Act was really nothing more than the left's way of laundering their far-left climate change pet projects into law while claiming it was about lowering costs.
00:48:28.000Anything they name in Congress, any bill, it's usually the opposite of what it intended and that's exactly what we got here.
00:48:35.000Republicans must reject these IRS subsidies and make sure the American people don't have to fund dirty tricks and green energy giveaways.
00:49:27.000And it's, these are the things that they do.
00:49:28.000They always like, you know, America is going to end up paying the brunt of it and it'll destroy our middle class to do something that no one else is going to do.
00:50:41.000You do talk about the need for true American energy dominance, but the rest of the world doesn't see it that way.
00:50:48.000What's going on at the UN with this insane carbon tax?
00:50:53.000Yes, I mean, the UN has really been the number one villain in the US energy story.
00:50:58.000They've pushed this idea of net zero by 2050, which means basically eliminate all fossil fuels or close to all fossil fuels by 2050.
00:51:05.000And they've tried these different scams for it.
00:51:07.000So like last year, they tried to get a trillion dollars a year in reparations, largely paid by us.
00:51:12.000And you know, obviously, that's not going to happen under the current administration.
00:51:16.000But What they're currently doing covertly is trying to pass an ocean carbon tax through something called the International Maritime Organization, which is another kind of UN body.
00:51:27.000And this is something that it slipped under my radar.
00:51:29.000So I started sharing it with everyone I could, you know, everyone I know in the different parts of the administration, because this is something the administration can stop, particularly the State Department can stop.
00:51:37.000But it's the kind of thing that's usually given to kind of a low level functionary.
00:51:40.000And there's just so many bad things that the world does.
00:51:43.000and so many bad things, honestly, Biden did, that it's hard to keep track of all of them.
00:51:46.000So that's why I wanted to sound the alarm about this one,'cause if this were passed at the high end of what they're talking about, $150 a ton, that doubles the price of fuel for us, ocean fuel for our tankers and this kind of thing, and container ships, and that makes everything in our economy more expensive and it hurts America most of all.
00:52:03.000So I'm glad you're aware of it'cause hopefully it spreads the word to others.
00:52:07.000Mike Lee, senator, posted about this today.
00:52:09.000So I'm glad people are on top of it now.
00:52:13.000I mean, give us some of the high-level details of just how bad this would be and what it aims to do because, you know, you're right.
00:52:20.000America always ends up bearing the brunt of this, right?
00:52:22.000If it was the Paris Climate Accords, you know, China may look at it in 2030 and India and, you know, the world's biggest polluters by a lot.
00:52:30.000You know, America's going to destroy their middle class, destroy everything, do something.
00:52:34.000And then in the end, those guys will renegotiate in 2030 and say they were just kidding.
00:52:58.000But if you translate it to a gallon of gasoline, it's like $1.25 per gallon of gasoline.
00:53:03.000And it's actually even more for the kind of oil that we're using on container ships.
00:53:07.000So just imagine that every ship that's transporting across the ocean for us is doubling In fuel costs, fuel cost is a huge component of other costs.
00:53:17.000This is why when oil prices go up, everything prices go up.
00:53:20.000Now it's hard enough to keep oil prices low through profitable production, but this is deliberately trying to raise a new tax on us just to make, because people don't want us to be using oil.
00:53:32.000That's one thing people need to realize when they hear the other side sometimes talk about, we want lower gasoline prices.
00:53:38.000They actually want higher gasoline prices because that's the only thing that will discourage people from using gasoline, or in this case, fuel oil for ships.
00:53:46.000How does all of this relate to what we've seen with the not-so-aptly-named Inflation Reduction Act subsidies?
00:53:54.000It's really just about shutting down the ability to make oil make sense?
00:54:02.000So, like, if you want to think about, you know, the broad agenda of, like, there's the green new scam aspect of it, and then there's the end fossil fuels aspect of it.
00:54:12.000And they both claim to be about replacing fossil fuels, but one of them, like this carbon tax and the net zero thing, that's focused on elimination by sort of punishing us directly.
00:54:21.000And by the way, that's the most honest way of doing it.
00:54:24.000If you don't want people to use fossil fuels, punish them for using fossil fuels.
00:54:28.000But what the Green New Scam does, you know, the IRA, so the IRA Inflation Reduction Act, which, as you mentioned, shouldn't be called that, it should be called the Inflation Act, because it raises prices by subsidizing expensive, unreliable energy, in large part.
00:54:42.000What it does, you know, for the next 10 years, if we don't stop it, it's a trillion dollars added to the debt.
00:54:48.000So a trillion dollars in a decade, many more trillions after that, by the way, but a trillion dollars added to the debt.
00:54:55.000And what it's doing is it's propping up different forms of energy Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
00:55:22.000tells utilities, hey, we're going to give you a bunch of money if you buy unreliable solar and wind, and that money gets taken away.
00:55:31.000So it's actually defunding gas and coal plants, which is the worst thing in the world right now because we have an electricity crisis and we need way more electricity for increasing demand, especially from AI.
00:55:42.000So the whole IRA thing, it really is a green new scam.
00:55:55.000It's this premise that if we subsidize expensive, unreliable electricity and energy, somehow we're going to reduce our CO2 emissions.
00:56:03.000Instead, it doesn't even reduce CO2 emissions much.
00:56:06.000It just creates this incredible amount of waste And distortion.
00:56:09.000So I think, you know, all Republicans and really everyone should stand up against this thing.
00:56:13.000But right now there's a lot of lobbyists trying to keep it up, unfortunately.
00:56:17.000Yeah. And with wind and solar, I mean, you know, not nearly as reliable, but I mean, it seems like nuclear goes up against the same stuff as fossil fuels, but it's very reliable, very safe and efficient, especially these days, right?
00:56:28.000You don't have to build on a fault line in the fifties when you don't necessarily know these things.
00:56:31.000Now you're getting into small modular reactors and all this kind of technology.
00:56:35.000It seems like we could do all of these things quite easily, but they keep pushing up these other technologies.
00:56:40.000You know, solar, I mean, you've forgotten more about solar than I'll ever know, but I sort of feel like I've heard about solar being like the newest big deal for like the last 30 years that's never really matriculated.
00:56:51.000Yeah, so with solar, when they give the hype, this is one thing that came up with my panel with Secretary Wright and Senator Lee today, they often will talk about like, hey, solar Capacity is going down in cost.
00:57:04.000And the term capacity, if you ever hear that used with solar, you know you're dealing with a weasel.
00:57:08.000Because when you talk about the capacity of something unreliable, it's not really a capacity.
00:57:15.000So the capacity of a natural gas plant is the ability to produce an exact amount of energy on demand.
00:57:20.000With solar, it's just a hope based on the weather.
00:57:23.000So they'll say the capacity of solar has gotten really cheap, but That's not what delivers reliable electricity.
00:57:29.000In order for solar to actually be cheap, the panels need to be cheap, the transmission needs to be cheap, and this is crucial, the batteries and supporting storage need to be cheap.
00:57:56.000I mean, with the advent of AI and all the stuff that you're doing, I mean, we don't produce enough energy to actually be the leaders in that movement.
00:58:06.000And I think for America to remain at the top, we actually have to start producing enough to be able to do that.
00:58:10.000Otherwise, someone else is going to do it before us.
00:58:14.000So I think of nuclear as the biggest energy tragedy, because really in the late 60s, early 70s, America was the world leader in nuclear.
00:58:21.000We were producing cheap, reliable, and this is important, safe.
00:58:24.000Nuclear is the safest practical energy technology ever invented.
00:58:27.000So whatever people tell you, it's the safest thing ever.
00:58:30.000So even nuclear then was the safest thing.
00:58:33.000And instead of embracing that, the green movement that claims to care about pollution and now CO2, they shut it down by regulating it to the point of criminalizing it.
00:58:42.000So we basically had 50 years of handicaps, to the point where from the time the NRC came into existence, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, in 1975, to 2023.
00:58:52.000So 48 years, we didn't have one new plant go from conception to completion.
00:58:57.000And the ones that did, the Vogel ones, those were you know 10 times about Over cost.
00:59:03.000So we've taken a technology that should have gotten way cheaper and made it catastrophically more expensive.
00:59:09.000Now, fortunately, we have some really good people in the administration, particularly chairman of the NRC.
00:59:13.000Now, David Wright is really good, and he understands some of the fundamental deregulatory things that need to happen.
00:59:20.000If people go to my website, energy talking points dot com, they can look at our energy plan.
00:59:24.000There's a lot of really detailed things that need to be done by the administration and by Congress.
00:59:31.000One of them is called Linear No Threshold.
00:59:33.000It's a model that says any amount of radiation is dangerous, which is absurd.
00:59:37.000That's like saying any amount of sunlight is absurd.
00:59:40.000But based on that, they set the radiation levels 50 times lower than they should be.
00:59:44.000And they make all this stupid overbuild of everything.
00:59:47.000And it literally does not save one fraction of one life, but it makes nuclear catastrophically expensive.
00:59:52.000So they're like, Eight things on that level that need to be changed.
00:59:56.000And I'm optimistic that we can, but this is part of the reason why I try to work behind the scenes with people to help them with this, because this is really urgent.
01:00:03.000And, you know, we only have a certain amount of time with energy-friendly people.
01:00:06.000We only know, you know, how long, we don't know how long it's going to last.
01:00:10.000So I'm trying to take advantage of it at the moment.
01:00:12.000Alex, talk a little bit about how the Biden administration really stood in the way of energy innovation, especially when it comes to clean coal, which the left obviously hates.
01:00:20.000From my understanding, the Department of Energy even holds the patents to some of the fossil fuel technology, but it hasn't actually been licensing or putting it in the public domain to actually be utilized.
01:00:31.000The previous administration refused it.
01:00:34.000You know, what can Secretary Wright do about just that?
01:00:38.000Well, just to answer your first question, I was smiling because saying like they didn't, you know, help the innovation is like saying, you know, Tony, Tonya Harding didn't help Nancy Kerrigan's innovation.
01:00:49.000I mean, it was a very deliberate effort, both through what's called the whole-of-government climate agenda, which just means the whole-of-government anti-fossil fuel agenda, but also a lot of things subtly at the EPA.
01:01:05.000So what they would do is they would set what's called NAAQS, National Ambient Air Quality Standards.
01:01:09.000They would set it, particularly with something called PM 2.5, particulate matter 2.5.
01:01:35.000Now this was a disaster because coal even now is one sixth of our reliable capacity, our actual capacity that we can call upon on demand.
01:01:43.000And they really made it their mission to eliminate it by any means that they could.
01:01:47.000example, they had these EPA regulations that you might have heard of that demanded that every coal plant shut down unless it can capture 90% of CO2.
01:01:56.000Okay, we have 2000 coal plants in North America, exactly two of them capture any CO2 on a commercial scale, neither of them is close to 90% that's never been achieved, and they're all catastrophically expensive.
01:02:10.000So it basically banned all coal plants.
01:02:12.000So it was just It's so bad because now we have increase in demand, right?
01:02:16.000So we just destroyed the supply and now we have increase in demand.
01:02:21.000I mean, definitely any of these technologies, we shouldn't slow walk them in so far as they're available.
01:02:26.000But here are the things we need to do.
01:02:27.000First of all, get rid of the Inflation Reduction Act, particularly the solar and wind subsidies, because as long as you have those, you're defunding the coal plants and they cannot stay alive.
01:02:38.000The other thing, and Administrator Zeldin is doing a great job on this, It's off to a great start here, but you need to stop the EPA's absolute demolition of coal, which they've done through so many fronts.
01:02:50.000And one thing that I'm sure they'll get to, but is really important, is they have to look at what's called the state implementation plans for different states, because what those are doing is they're preventing coal plants from utilizing their full capacity by having very irrational caps on different kinds of emissions.
01:03:05.000So what you need is basically, let's stop shutting down the coal plants, And then let's utilize the coal plants to their capacity because the easiest electricity to get is the electricity we already have.
01:03:16.000But we have a lot of coal plants that we're threatening to shut down and we're not using fully.
01:03:22.000Alex, what does American energy dominance look like and what's the moral case for fossil fuels?
01:03:29.000So in terms of what energy dominance looks like, I think of it primarily through an energy, what I call an energy freedom lens.
01:03:36.000So it means every form of energy is free to produce and compete as producers judge best and consumers judge best.
01:03:44.000You just can't, you know, unreasonably endanger others, you know, by harming their land or fouling up their air or that kind of thing.
01:03:49.000But besides that, may the best man win.
01:03:51.000I mean, this is we didn't have like a, you know, we didn't have computer plans and stuff like this.
01:03:55.000We just let the computer manufacturers be free.
01:03:57.000So I think I think the key to energy dominance.
01:04:00.000So I think of energy dominance as a combination of prosperity and security.
01:04:05.000And both of those are primarily achieved through energy freedom.
01:04:09.000So freedom for, for example, getting in the way of impediments to oil and gas production, getting in the way of impediments to pipelines, particularly gas pipelines.
01:04:18.000That and the grid are the number one and two issues that we have to fix.
01:04:22.000Unleashing affordable, reliable electricity by getting rid of preferences for unreliable electricity and by getting rid of irrational attempts to shut down coal and even national Yeah.
01:04:36.000You need to get rid of this idea that we're going to protect ourselves from climate danger by destroying the American economy.
01:04:42.000No, you protect yourself from climate danger by being incredibly resilient.
01:04:46.000That's why, by the way, our climate deaths are down 98% over a century because we've become so much more resilient using fossil fuels.
01:04:54.000And then we innovate in a free market.
01:04:55.000If you want lower carbon energy, Don't destroy America and then China is still building 300 new coal plants, actually innovate new technologies like nuclear.
01:05:04.000So that's what it takes to get energy dominance.
01:05:06.000In terms of the moral case for fossil fuels, it's very simple.
01:05:11.000If you want a world that is a much better place to live for human beings, you need affordable, reliable energy for as many of the 8 billion people in the world as possible.
01:05:20.000And fossil fuels are the only thing for that for the foreseeable future that can do that.
01:05:25.000And any negative side effects they have, including climate, are tiny compared to those benefits.
01:05:31.000That's why, as I said with climate, we've gotten far safer from climate.
01:05:35.000So people need to understand energy is so valuable.
01:05:39.000Nothing is better for human life than unleashing energy.
01:05:41.000And almost any problem you can solve with more energy.
01:05:45.000And if you don't have much energy, you have every problem in the world.
01:05:52.000Let everyone know what your Twitter handle and stuff like that, because again, you know, in the times we've spoken, you just understand the energy side and a lot of the stuff that's not being told to the American people as we're making these decisions.
01:06:02.000And so people are making decisions in a vacuum without all of that knowledge.
01:06:05.000Where can they find you and follow you?
01:06:08.000So my Twitter is at Alex Epstein, and then we have a website, energytalkingpoints.com.
01:06:15.000People can actually talk to fake me through alexepstein.ai.
01:06:19.000People in government really use alexepstein.ai.
01:06:22.000And I would say anyone who's a political official or anything like that, or you're working on these things, you can just email me directly.
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