I Take the Stand in New York, Plus Fighting for What's Right: UFC is a Massive Success Under Dana White - And it's Only Getting Better | TRIGGERED Ep.82
Donald Trump Jr. fires off jokes during civil fraud trial. Is it really so hard to be a lawyer in New York City if you don t have a background in accounting? Trump Jr explains why he decided to take the stand in his father's civil trial and why he thinks accounting should be left to accountants. He also talks about the implications for business if accounting is not part of the process in civil fraud cases and why this is a problem for business in the United States. And, of course, he gives us an update on the ongoing case against his father, Donald Trump Sr. and the rest of the Trump clan in the ongoing Trump v. New York civil trial. It's a long story, but it's a story worth listening to, and I think you'll agree that it's one that's worth the listen. You'll also get a chance to hear his thoughts on why accounting is a vital part of running a business and why it should be part of business, not just in civil cases, and why accounting shouldn't be left in the hands of a CPA. You can't ask for much more. You're not going to get more information about accounting than that in this episode, and you're not getting much more information on accounting in a civil case than right here. You don't want to miss it, right? You'll have to listen to the whole thing. Triggered! Subscribe to get immediate access to all the latest episodes of the show and other related to this podcast wherever you get your favourite shows on the airwaves, social media, and the internet. You won't be able to access the latest news and social media updates. . Thank you for listening to the show? . . . Thank you so much for your support, and support the show, it really does mean a lot to me, I really appreciate it. I really do appreciate it, really really does appreciate it and I appreciate it a lot, really helps me tremendously. I'll be back next week. -Trying to make it all the best -Podcasts Tweet me out there. Timestamps: Thanks for listening Timestamp Text Me Outtro: , & I'll send it out to you, bye, bye <3 -Tristan :D , and I'll see you in the next week, Timestaffing Meghan
00:05:31.000Welcome to another episode of Triggered.
00:05:34.000Obviously a great friend is our guest tonight.
00:05:37.000I had to do this two days ago simply because I was this week subjected to the continued Persecution by the Attorney General of the State of New York, where I did two days of testimony in my father's civil trial.
00:06:01.000You know, the usual idiots on social, oh my god, you're going to jail, you plead a fifth.
00:06:05.000It's a civil trial, and it's, as far as I'm concerned, it's basically attempted extortion to try to penalize a political enemy.
00:06:15.000But at this point, anyone who's been watching this show realizes this.
00:06:20.000I got, like, good articles from, like, the BBC and CNN. And, you know, I guess I had the courtroom laughing a little bit.
00:06:29.000And, you know, shockingly, shockingly, the prosecutors don't understand that maybe I would leave accounting to accountants.
00:06:41.000You know, just like, I don't know too many people that would leave, you know, surgery to themselves, they rely on surgeons and people who are trained in those fields, and that is the problem, I guess, for their case, that I would rely on people who are experts, who are paid millions of dollars to be experts, and the fact that I relied on them, I'm supposed to, I guess, overrule that.
00:07:04.000I'm not 100% sure, but I guess that's where we are.
00:07:10.000No different than the other cases that you see, whether it's Georgia or Florida or D.C. or whatever it is.
00:07:16.000You know, another New York case with Alvin Bragg.
00:07:56.000some of these things honestly our jokes the real problem is if
00:08:00.000Businesses in New York or elsewhere perhaps let's call it.
00:08:05.000You know in in the blue states or blue areas liberal areas if a person is going to conduct business and in our case
00:08:13.000like change the skyline of New York and And you can't rely on accountants.
00:08:19.000I mean, a big four CPA firm whose primary principal who worked on our account probably spent more time in our offices than I did.
00:08:32.000In a lot of our international deals, I spent a lot of time on the road.
00:08:35.000If I can't rely on that person who's doing the tax returns for every license deal, for every management contract, They have more intimate knowledge of the finances than I could times a thousand, and I'm not able to rely on them.
00:08:49.000But I'm still paying them millions of dollars, folks.
00:08:53.000I don't know how anyone could actually do business in New York if that was the case, if you're not able to rely on them.
00:09:00.000Or if someone without those degrees and, you know, who isn't a CPA myself, is supposed to somehow overrule a CPA on matters of accounting, I think it creates a serious problem for business.
00:09:15.000And if that's the case, and an overzealous attorney general would just decide which way to prosecute, maybe, hey, I don't know, you didn't donate to my campaign, I think we're going to investigate you.
00:09:28.000I mean, this creates a serious problem for anyone conducting business in New York.
00:09:35.000Now, it's hard to believe That this isn't, you know, common...
00:09:43.000There was actually a good article in the Wall Street Journal today about the implications of this for future business from a Columbia professor.
00:09:50.000So, you know, I imagine this person probably can't stand Trump, but he understands or is not short-study enough to not understand that, hey, just because we want to get Trump doesn't mean this doesn't open up Pandora's box for anyone actually trying to conduct business.
00:10:09.000You know, that's the quick update, you know?
00:10:11.000Did two days, I guess, of testimony, or half day yesterday, half day today.
00:10:44.000I'm seeing all the genius political commentators, some of them actually misspelling perjury, in their tweets because everyone is now an expert on civil fraud trials in New York State, just like everyone was an expert on constitutional law during impeachment one, and everyone was a virologist during COVID, and everyone, you know, it...
00:11:05.000Everyone's an expert in Ukraine right now and the Middle East and yada, yada, yada.
00:11:10.000So I just wanted to give you guys all a little bit of that update before we get to my friend Dana White and just have a fun conversation.
00:11:35.000So I think I put that on my Instagram account the other day.
00:11:37.000So, you know, if I think of more to actually talk about this, but it was a lot of mundane, did you sign a document?
00:11:42.000Yes, I signed a document that was given to me, signed off by, you know, accounting, inside, outside, general counsel, legal, yada, yada, yada.
00:11:51.000I believe it to be materially accurate like a hundred times over.
00:11:55.000I mean, that's basically the extent of what it was.
00:11:58.000And of course I rely on those people to do that.
00:12:00.000And if we're not able to rely on people that are experts, You're gonna have a serious problem conducting business anywhere, and especially if there's sort of selective persecution of the people you just don't like, especially when you run campaigns about going after them prior to actually seeing any of the information.
00:12:16.000Don't forget, in this one, I was found guilty before I ever testified, just so we're clear.
00:12:21.000It's kind of a big deal. You don't even get to...
00:12:33.000This is not the first time, it's probably, you know, not the first decade in America this has happened, but it's the first time it's actually being fully exposed.
00:12:42.000Hopefully people understand how dangerous this is, how bad the slippery slope is, and they get it.
00:12:49.000And so, again, as I see what happens with my brother's testimony and my father's testimony and my sister's testimony, you know, we'll talk more about it on the show probably next week, but literally just wanted to give you guys...
00:13:00.000A quick update. But yeah, I was shocked that some of the press even had a courtroom of people who probably don't like me too much laughing a few times.
00:13:08.000So maybe they'll laugh when they realize what a joke this case is from the Attorney General.
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00:18:03.000All right, guys. Joining me now, my good friend, friend of our family, friend of the MAGA movement, UFC CEO Dana White.
00:18:13.000So, Dana, thanks for joining us, first and foremost.
00:18:16.000You've done incredible things with the UFC. You bought it, really, when it was...
00:18:22.000Consider dead. How did that deal come about?
00:19:34.000I don't even know if I can put on another event.
00:19:36.000I hung up the phone. I called Lorenzo Fertitta and I said, I think the UFC is in trouble.
00:19:41.000I think we could buy him and I think we should.
00:19:45.000Literally two months later, we bought it for two million bucks.
00:19:48.000I mean, that's a pretty solid ROI. I mean, not without its blood, sweat, and tears, obviously.
00:19:53.000Now, I'm going to push back on some of the early fighters, because I think I remember being at, I think it was UFC 2.
00:20:00.000The first one you did in Atlantic City, whatever that was.
00:20:03.000I remember I was sitting there with my brother, and Tank Abbott used his dentures to hold the seat next to us for his girlfriend.
00:20:11.000Yeah. I was like, what is going on here?
00:20:16.000It was interesting. When we got involved, we're talking about guys like Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin.
00:20:24.000You know, these were the guys that were in it when we bought the company.
00:20:28.000You're talking late 2000, early 2001 is when we bought it.
00:20:32.000But yeah, no, Tank was a different human being, that's for sure.
00:20:38.000Some of those guys were pretty special, without question.
00:20:43.000Growing up in Vegas, you know, Vegas today, people understand what it is, but back then it was very different.
00:20:50.000What was your career like, and what were your aspirations in your younger moments that I mean, you know, there hasn't been, you know, although it seems like maybe they're trying to do it with pickleball these days, but there hasn't been a sports league that has grown so rapidly as what you were able to do.
00:21:09.000How did that come about? Yeah, well, I was very lucky because I bounced back and forth.
00:21:15.000My family was originally from Boston, so we bounced back and forth between Vegas and Boston.
00:21:23.000So I really got to experience the best of both worlds, East Coast and West Coast.
00:21:29.000But when we bought the company here, I mean, Vegas, even though it wasn't a sports town because of gaming, you know, UNLV basketball was huge here.
00:21:38.000But at the end of the day, the real hometown sport here was fighting.
00:21:45.000I mean, it was the fight capital of the world.
00:21:57.000Yeah. So, how did you first meet my father?
00:22:01.000Were there parallels between what my father talks about in business and the art of the deal, so to speak, and your experience in business and growing the UFC? Well, what's kind of cool about your dad is that he saw the potential in this early and You know, he reached out. First of all, we bought the company.
00:24:39.000You know, these kind of things that he would always do.
00:24:43.000Let's be honest. My New Year's Eve incident last year, your father was one of the first people to pick up the phone and call me, and your father probably called me four times in two weeks to make sure that me and my wife and my family were okay.
00:24:59.000They're small things, but those are the big things.
00:26:32.000Me and my wife went to the White House And we had dinner with him in his residence.
00:26:37.000And, you know, he made my wife feel so comfortable.
00:26:41.000We sat and talked to him for a couple hours and we talked about Everything, from politics to movies to whatever it may be.
00:26:49.000But after I spoke at the convention, I mean, that's when our relationship really, you know, we became super close after that.
00:26:56.000And, you know, I love your dad, and I'd do anything for him.
00:27:00.000He's awesome. He's always been an incredible friend to me.
00:27:03.000And, yeah, I can't say enough good things about him.
00:27:06.000I try to tell everybody I meet, the guy you see on TV is not the guy that you talk to behind the scenes.
00:27:12.000Well, yeah, I know. There's a lot of truth to that.
00:27:14.000I sometimes say sort of, you know, perhaps, you know, if there's a political weakness, it's actually he doesn't show the true empathetic side that he has.
00:27:23.000You know, I think his logic is, hey, how do you deal with Xi Jinping and nuclear war and all of this stuff if they see that you're actually sensitive, if you actually give a shit about, you know.
00:27:33.000Like you said, the little things that are actually the big things to a lot of people.
00:27:36.000I can't tell you how many stories there.
00:27:38.000I'm like, you should talk about it, not because it's a political win, but because it's actually who you are, but people don't see that.
00:27:47.000100%. And the other thing about your father is your father loves this country.
00:27:53.000Loves this country and is very passionate about the United States and all the people who live here.
00:28:01.000Yeah. You know, what was really cool, you know, I saw it with you and my dad in New York at Madison Square Garden.
00:28:09.000You know, the welcome he received there.
00:28:11.000And I think you said to me something at the time, it was like, wow, I've actually, you know, you've been doing this a long time.
00:28:49.000You just see not only when your dad walks into the arena, but when the fighters step into the octagon and the respect that they pay to your father.
00:29:05.000Yeah, that was sort of cool watching that.
00:29:07.000You know, guys, you know, just win a knockout.
00:29:09.000They jump over the fence to be like, you know, it's actually very cool.
00:29:14.000And it's interesting because, you know, like a lot of things, you know, there's some narrative with the fighters and they, you know, create a story about themselves.
00:29:21.000You know, Colby's done that really well, sort of embracing the MAGA thing.
00:29:24.000And then, you know, there's other guys that take the opposite approach.
00:30:26.000Not just... You know, the fighters, but the fans and my employees.
00:30:33.000So you mentioned sort of loyalty here.
00:30:36.000How much do you value that loyalty and what role should loyalty play in business or these days even politics?
00:30:43.000Because it seems like, especially in politics, you know, the notion of loyalty is just out the window, but it seems to be a core tenet of both you and my father, frankly.
00:30:52.000Yeah, it's a tough thing when you talk about loyalty.
00:30:59.000It's one of the things that I've absolutely prided myself on in my life.
00:31:03.000When we went through COVID, My big thing was I've had people who have worked here for me for 20 years.
00:31:10.000We're going through the scariest time in our lifetime.
00:31:14.000You know, nobody really knew, you know, were they going to die?
00:31:19.000Were they going to live? And I just feel like at the time that that stuff was going on, you know, the business 101 move is to whack 40% of your staff.
00:31:30.000You know, you lay them off and you do that.
00:31:36.000There's no way I was going to lay off my employees during the scariest time of our life.
00:31:41.000So the UFC is this big, massive ship, and we were either all going down together or not at all.
00:31:48.000So, you know, I'm very loyal when it comes to, you know, family and friends and employees and my fighters and, you know, everybody that I'm involved with, your father and many other friends of mine.
00:32:05.000I mean, it's like, could it get worse?
00:32:08.000And there's travel bans and this, and you couldn't go anywhere.
00:32:10.000My brother and I just tried to ease some of that pain.
00:32:14.000I know during that time, we took no salary for basically that whole year.
00:32:18.000Actually, we took no salary, not basically, but for the whole year, just to be able to make sure that we could maintain as much of those teams.
00:32:25.000It's kind of hard when you have essentially no cash flow coming in, because you're right.
00:32:29.000The move is to cut 40% of the stuff, and we'll rehire A year later, but some of these people, they've been around for so long.
00:32:34.000So you're right. It does have to be a two-way street.
00:32:36.000And so, you know, that kind of leading by example is a big deal.
00:33:10.000You know, I'd see it. Like, guys I'd known for 20 years, they're literally texting me and they're saying, you know, Hey, you're doing a great job.
00:33:18.000I love that. And then I see them on Facebook.
00:33:20.000And it's like they're trying to pick up chicks.
00:33:21.000They're saying exactly the opposite because, you know, the woke soundbite and, you know, it's misogynist.
00:33:27.000They're so terrible. I'm like, dude, you can't have it both ways.
00:33:31.000Like, you can't tell me that this, like, you know.
00:33:33.000So, and I don't care if you feel that way.
00:33:35.000I have friends that were liberal friends, and they just disagree with me, but they'd say it to my face, and they'd say it, whatever.
00:33:40.000And I'm fine. I'm more close with that person than I am the guy that's bullshitting me.
00:33:44.000So for me, that whole, you know, 2015, 2016 political thing was actually really cathartic, because it's like, it cut my contact list in half.
00:33:52.000Like, there's a group of people, I never have to take their phone call again.
00:33:55.000It's fine. I don't have to even have the conversation with them.
00:33:57.000I just know they won't be there when it matters, and so why even bother?
00:34:01.000That's just... Another one of those fucking rubber chicken lunches that you have once a year that I have better things to do with my time.
00:34:26.000My sister was fighting with some of these idiots on Facebook.
00:34:31.000I can't believe we were friends with him when we grew up and all this other crazy shit.
00:34:36.000It's just... You're an absolute fucking lunatic if that's how you're judging people.
00:34:41.000Well, unfortunately, there's a lot of lunatics these days, but hopefully they'll wake up.
00:34:45.000As we're on the brink of World War III and all the other disasters that are looming, maybe they wake up and realize, you know what, it wasn't so bad.
00:34:52.000I'll take mean tweets and world peace any day.
00:34:56.000Well, one of the things that your father and Jared Kushner don't get enough credit for is what they did in the Middle East during their term.
00:35:04.000They should have won a Nobel Peace Prize for what they did and the work that they got done in the Middle East back then.
00:35:10.000But let me tell you what, you know you're in a bad place when other countries are hoping that your father gets re-elected again so that we can...
00:35:23.000You know, restore peace and some type of order here.
00:35:27.000I can't believe we still have a year to go.
00:35:29.000Scary, actually. It is amazing how fast things can change.
00:35:33.000So, there's another guy who my father's been quite close to for a long time.
00:35:39.000And now you're in business with Vince McMahon.
00:35:43.000Tell us a little bit about your relationship with Vince, the WWE. I've heard that it always wasn't a, let's call it a positive relationship, though now you're seemingly working together great.
00:35:59.000Well, it's been an interesting relationship with Vince McMahon.
00:37:09.000At the end of the day, it all worked out better because we ended up on Fox, and we had a great relationship with Fox and Eric Shanks, and it was all great.
00:37:19.000But yeah, I mean, that's just one of 10 times I could tell you where Vince did it.
00:37:23.000Now, Vince and I, you know, we're in business together, I guess, but Vince couldn't be a better partner now.
00:37:30.000Now Vince is, you know, he's been an incredible partner, you know, literally keeps me in the loop on everything that's going on and, you know, making sure that I'm cool with decisions that might be made that might affect the UFC. Now it's like a complete flop.
00:37:49.000That's interesting. I mean, yeah, I was going to ask, you know, what's it like working with him now that you're not competing with him, right?
00:37:56.000You know, because, listen, I understand the business.
00:37:57.000And, hey, the guy's a shrewd guy, a smart guy.
00:38:00.000By the way, I'm just imagining that meeting because he is probably in character even though he wasn't in character, right?
00:38:35.000Not respect Vince and what he's accomplished and what he's built.
00:38:39.000And the fact that this guy at his age is still just an absolute beast.
00:38:45.000No, that's interesting. Are there UFC fighters that you could see eventually sort of going into the WWE? I mean, it's obviously two very different games, but do you see that as an exit strategy perhaps for some fighters now rather than doing the boxing thing or whatever it may be?
00:39:03.000Yeah, I think that you have to be a huge fan of WWE, like Ronda Rousey.
00:39:09.000Like, Ronda fought over here in the UFC, but she was a total WWE geek.
00:39:13.000She loved it. So, when she retired, it was always her dream to win this title and then go over and win a WWE title.
00:39:20.000So, if you're that passionate about it and you're into it, you grew up loving it, yeah, I could see it happening all day long.
00:39:27.000Are there similarities between yourself, my father, and Vince that, you know, sort of are the ones that stand out other than perhaps that whole, you know, notion of being a killer?
00:41:04.000The NFL, the NBA with Roger Goodell and Adam Silver just literally just pushing, like, you know, a DEI, you know, Honestly, I'd say agenda, but it's really more propaganda.
00:41:16.000Should leagues lean into politics or stay away?
00:41:20.000The UFC is really different than all the other leagues in that it allows their athletes to say what they want.
00:41:28.000Not like, well, you can say the narrative, but you can't say anything contrary to the narrative.
00:41:32.000Look at what they did to Tim Tebow versus Colin Kaepernick or something like that.
00:41:37.000Has that ever caused you or the league problems?
00:41:40.000Has anyone ever come to you and said, hey, you need to shut your fighters up or perhaps even you need to shut up yourself?
00:41:48.000Yeah, listen, the media has had problems with it in the past, but I could give a shit.
00:41:56.000I try not to politicize the UFC. Me speaking with you here, me speaking with your father at the Republican convention and things like that, this is my personal.
00:42:08.000Me personally. I'll post stuff sometimes on my personal social media.
00:42:13.000You never see any of this stuff in the UFC. We don't play any of these games.
00:42:16.000We don't do any of this woke bullshit.
00:42:21.000And I let the fighters be whoever they are.
00:42:35.000Never, ever do I try to stop my guys from saying anything or doing anything.
00:42:41.000You know... Who they are is what I'm selling, okay?
00:42:46.000And I don't ever interfere with who they are.
00:42:50.000But you've had advertisers, as of recently, right, come to you and just say, hey, it's not just the fighters, we can't talk about it, but that you were getting too controversial, you need to stop talking politics, you're too pro-Trump.
00:43:04.000Is that something you can talk about here?
00:43:08.000Listen, I don't want to throw any sponsors under the bus, but my sponsors have actually been pretty good.
00:43:13.000My sponsors have been pretty good in dealing.
00:43:15.000Listen, when you do a deal with me and the UFC, you know what you're getting.
00:44:49.000And, you know, Over $700 million goes to U.S. farmers for their crops to make the beer at Anheuser-Busch.
00:44:59.00065,000 Americans are employed by Anheuser-Busch.
00:45:03.000They do this thing that I love called Folds of Honor.
00:45:08.000They donated $44 million for fallen soldiers and first responders' families.
00:45:14.000Every time a natural disaster happens, they shut down the plant and they turn it into a bottled water facility.
00:45:20.000They've done something like 100 million bottles of water for disaster.
00:45:24.000And if you keep going through and you look at the things that they've done, so what I do is I look at these companies now that I am aligned with.
00:45:33.000You know, companies that I'm aligned with, I am a big military guy.
00:45:36.000I'm very much into law enforcement and first responders.
00:45:41.000Obviously, keeping jobs in the United States for Americans.
00:45:50.000So when I look at these other beer companies, go ahead.
00:45:53.000Yeah, no. Listen, it's a problem with all of corporate America.
00:45:57.000You know, I hope Anheuser-Busch, they learn from that era.
00:46:01.000But, like, if you look at, like, you know, Molson Coors, you know, the places that they donate to, it's just, it's a never-ending list of insanity, right?
00:46:11.000Molson Coors, they dumped millions upon millions into BLM, you know, pushing that activism, right?
00:46:21.000And Guinness, the parent company, I remember looking at it at the time, and I'm like, all of these guys?
00:46:26.000I mean, it's sort of good that we're actually finally forcing corporate America to actually think about conservatives, to not just appeal to sort of the woke left wing.
00:46:36.000And as you said, I thought it was brilliant in your interview.
00:46:38.000I think I texted you about it the other day, which is like, of course sponsorship is about, you know...
00:46:43.000The money. But the other points you make, I think, are discounted.
00:46:47.000And people don't realize that it's just a disastrous problem in all of corporate America that I think we've got to learn from, that these companies have to learn from so they're not just funding one side, which has basically been what's happening all along.
00:47:01.000You're right. And I can tell you this from experience.
00:47:05.000You know, all you people out there, you patriots, you haven't dealt with anybody.
00:47:09.000You haven't dealt with any of these beer companies.
00:47:12.000You haven't dealt with any of these sponsors.
00:48:31.000It's not just the cancellation and the continuation of that win coming in and actually having them give you a lot of money for the platform that you are saying that definitely leans incredibly, you know, let's call it to our side.
00:48:45.000I'm just telling you, I'm in the know.
00:48:47.000I deal with all this stuff on a daily basis.
00:48:51.000If you consider yourself a patriot, you consider yourself an American, you love your country, and if that's your position and that's who you are, believe me when I tell you, you are aligned with Anheuser-Busch.
00:49:26.000If they are aligning themselves with me for the next six years, and I'm aligning myself with them for the next six years, It tells you where everybody's at.
00:49:37.000I think that says a lot without question.
00:49:39.000So, listen, moving on from, you know, the politics.
00:49:43.000What do you think of the Nagano fight?
00:49:47.000I didn't see it. There's a couple times I see the UFC fighters and I see, you know, fighting, you know, Jake and Logan Paul and stuff like that.
00:49:54.000The marketing guy of me, I understand enough about fighting.
00:49:57.000I grew up in it. I was going to the big fights from when I was three years old.
00:50:02.000There's pictures of me. I still have a bowl cut.
00:50:04.000So I understand boxing is a different game than mixed martial arts and MMA and then the octagon.
00:50:11.000I feel like there's a lot of people that don't understand that.
00:50:13.000So when I watch some of these guys, these great legendary MMA fighters go get their ass kicked in a boxing ring, I'm just like, oh, it's got to be tough.
00:50:23.000And I understand there's some issues maybe with Nganu, but that was sort of interesting because he was maybe the first guy, maybe Conor a little bit against Mayweather, but the first guy that actually was like, holy crap, he almost took out the heavyweight champion of the world.
00:50:51.000Anthony Pettis just beat Roy Jones Jr.
00:50:53.000I know Roy's friggin' 60 years old or whatever, but I mean, I don't know what the hell's going on.
00:50:59.000It's crazy. I didn't see the fight, but the fact that he went 10 rounds is unbelievable.
00:51:06.000What do you think of, generally speaking, some of the guys, you know, again, they're cycling out of USC, and then they do the boxing.
00:51:11.000Now, I think we all understand, hey, there's a huge payday for them.
00:51:16.000That makes, you know, obviously a lot of sense for a fighter that's retiring that, you know, may not have, you know, a bunch of skill sets if they can put up a seven-figure thing to show up.
00:51:34.000Listen, these guys, at some point, everybody's going to move on.
00:51:38.000And everybody has to do what's right for them and make money for their families.
00:51:43.000So, you know, whatever they got to do, they got to do.
00:51:46.000Do you think boxing is, you know, too broken to, you know, regain what it once was, you know, a couple decades ago?
00:51:54.000I mean, I remember it was the biggest thing, you know, there was nothing like it.
00:51:58.000You know, a heavyweight championship of the world fight was like the Super Bowl.
00:52:04.000These days, and listen, I think, you know, Dante Wilder and Tyson Fury, these guys have actually, you know, instilled and injected quite a bit of life to it.
00:52:11.000There's some good storylines, things you wouldn't expect.
00:52:14.000Again, you put Tyson Fury next to Wilder.
00:52:16.000How is it even possible that they could compete?
00:52:19.000And yet, you know, an amazing fighter.
00:52:23.000Got too broken when, you know, you'd go there and you knew if it went to a decision, whoever had the bigger manager, whoever had Don King was going to win.
00:52:31.000It didn't matter. Like, I've been to these fights, you know, I'm sitting next to, you know, Lennox Lewis, three other professional fighters, you know, so I can score a boxing match and I'm sitting there and be like, I'm pretty much in tune with what these guys, the best in the world are.
00:52:43.000And then, you know, and the scores are coming in and it's exactly the opposite.
00:52:48.000And you knew it was bullshit and everyone's pissed off.
00:52:54.000It's interesting because, first of all, when you talk about how broken it is, the fact that this fight this weekend is more talked about than a Crawford fight is crazy.
00:53:04.000Some of these influencer fights are bigger or talked about or more buzzed about than some of these real fights in the boxing business.
00:53:16.000It just shows you how truly broken it really is.
00:53:19.000But... On the flip side, you know, you've got a kid like Ryan Garcia who can actually fight, and he was built on the internet.
00:53:26.000You know what I mean? This kid was built on the internet.
00:53:28.000And then you have a fight like him and Davis, which, you know, not only created a ton of buzz and got a lot of pay-per-view buys, but the younger generation was actually into it.
00:53:39.000So I think you're always going to have these one-off fights.
00:53:50.000Is that something you think you could fix?
00:53:52.000Would you ever get involved? Or do you just have too much on your plate with UFC? I mean, every time I get on the phone with one of these boxing guys, I go, what the fuck am I doing?
00:54:09.000Now, I mean, could some of that be because, I mean, when you see the guys, the UFC guys that go to boxing and whatever it is, I mean, there's still a different sort of pay structure in boxing.
00:54:18.000Is that aspect of it, there's just too much money that it's broken, that it sort of just lends itself to the corruption?
00:55:30.000You know, what was that experience like doing it out there?
00:55:33.000Because you did step out of your typical role, although I guess you had Conor, so it's a little, maybe a combination.
00:55:38.000You know, are there any other UFC fighters that you could see actually, you know, kind of making that transition and succeeding in the world of boxing?
00:55:46.000It's a possibility because that was actually built organically by the fans and the media.
00:55:51.000It became a fight that people wanted to see.
00:55:54.000And everywhere I went, people would go, is that a fight going to happen?
00:55:57.000Is that a fight going to happen? And then it just all sort of came together.
00:56:16.000So, you know, obviously we're on Rumble, and you brought up and created, you know, Power Slap.
00:56:23.000How did that, and by the way, it's actually incredible, and it's totally made for the moment where everything's a, you know, a 15-second clip on, you know, the gram or whatever it is.
00:56:34.000But, you know, how'd that idea come about, and why'd you sort of partner with, you know, Chris Pawlowski over at Rumble with it?
00:56:43.000So, in like 17, I started to see these things popping up on my social media.
00:56:49.000They're slapping. And I was like, oh my god, this is crazy.
00:56:52.000So I looked into it. It's coming out of Russia and Poland and places like that.
00:57:20.000That's the answer. So if you took the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, the NHL, the UFC, the WWE, NASCAR, Formula One, PGA, you combine all their numbers together.
00:57:36.000And multiplying by four, Power Slap does higher numbers on social media.
00:57:41.000The thing is an absolute juggernaut on social media.
00:57:44.000And we've actually turned it into a really fun live event.
00:57:48.000It does well, streaming, and we've actually turned this into a very real business.
00:57:59.000Oh, by the way, we just launched our mobile game.
00:58:02.000We broke every record in the mobile game business with Power Slap.
00:58:06.000We beat everything. So next, we're getting sanctioned in more states going into next year.
00:58:14.000We'll have five or six more states sanctioned, and we'll start traveling this thing around and bringing it to different states, different cities.
00:58:22.000So what's it like having arguably probably every celebrity on the planet blowing you up and asking for tickets every Saturday night?
00:58:49.000It's like seating at a wedding every Saturday.
00:58:54.000You know how you try to see people at the wedding and you're like, you can't have these people next to these people because they don't like each other.
00:59:00.000And, oh, if this guy sitting in this seat, he's going to be offended.
00:59:04.000It's just every Saturday it's a shit show.
00:59:07.000So who are the coolest celebs that you've met in that role, and who are the biggest pains in the asses, if you can tell us the names, because I know that you've got to be dealing with some serious characters.
00:59:17.000That's a good question. I would say...
00:59:22.000I mean, I haven't had a bad experience with any of the celebs, because if you're a douchebag, I don't care who you think you are, I don't play that shit.
00:59:32.000But probably one of the funniest was, remember the band LMFAO? Yeah.
00:59:39.000Yeah, like, too sexy or whatever, my kid's like, yeah.
00:59:44.000So to be fair to them, you know, it's probably their manager or their agent, whoever, calling here, acting like an absolute clown and basically saying, yeah, LMFAO, you know, they need to be in the front row.
00:59:59.000And I don't mean the front row in the end, the front row in the middle and all this crazy shit.
01:00:03.000I ended up saying, yeah, LMFAO. Get lost.
01:00:07.000Beat it. We're not giving you tickets.
01:00:11.000So that was probably, right here, right now, that was the one that stands out the most.
01:00:18.000I mean, the management is probably often worse than the actual people themselves because they think they're the same, and they're not.
01:00:25.000They don't understand their role in this situation.
01:00:29.000And some of these agents and managers are the most annoying douchebags on planet Earth.
01:00:37.000Yeah. Who do you think is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now?
01:00:41.000Obviously, you had an interesting weekend.
01:00:43.000Last weekend, a couple guys that would have certainly been in the list, but they got called up, let's call it, 11 days before a fight to fight for the championship in their weight classes.
01:01:42.000I think Jon Jones is probably the greatest combat sports athlete of all time.
01:01:47.000Yeah, I guess that's interesting, right?
01:01:49.000When they talk about, you know, people always make the boxing comparison.
01:01:51.000But the reality is, yeah, in a street fight, in a bar fight, no one in their right minds ever choosing, you know, the boxer, even if they're the heavyweight championship, you know, heavyweight champion of the world relative to, you know, a guy that fights in a cage in all sorts of positions.
01:02:08.000I agree. How was the evolution of that, right?
01:02:12.000I remember early UFC, you'd see someone would get hurt and you'd be able to go to the local collegiate wrestling program, pull a guy, say congratulations, try punching him in the face and see what happens.
01:02:27.000How'd that evolution change now to where everyone's so good at everything, you don't have that?
01:02:38.000Is there a style that's more important to be focused on for these guys as everyone's matured in their fighting style?
01:02:48.000Well, listen, at the end of the day, you need a little piece of everything, but wrestling has been a very strong base for a lot of the best fighters in the world.
01:02:57.000You know, if you have some wrestling, some good stand-up, and a great chin, you know what I mean?
01:03:04.000You can go far. How are all these great guys coming out of Dagestan?
01:03:16.000A rather small region of the world is producing a very undue amount.
01:03:24.000They're tougher. You know, American kids are, you know, brought up and as tough as they can be and as tough as they can get, you know, there's some helicoptering or coddling or is it just different over there?
01:03:34.000I've never been, so I'm sort of curious, how is it that they're creating, you know, these machines?
01:03:41.000I agree with you. They're just built different over there.
01:04:42.000You know, obviously he's worth millions of dollars now, but it doesn't actually seem like it's changed the way they actually want to live, right?
01:04:48.000They're not living in penthouses in Vegas trying to get there.
01:04:50.000They're perfectly fine still being, you know, in Dagestan and training the next level of fighters.
01:04:55.000It's just they're born to fight, they're bred to fight, they live to fight, and that's what they want to do.
01:05:01.000100%. You don't see any of those guys moving to Beverly Hills or anywhere in the United States.
01:05:08.000They are absolutely a different breed.
01:05:12.000Who are some of the up-and-comers that you see?
01:05:27.000We go back. I don't want to do interviews.
01:05:28.000I don't want to be on camera. It's just not their thing.
01:05:32.000I can clearly respect it when you're growing a business.
01:05:35.000I mean, what you guys were able to do with Conor, who was a legit great champion as well, but in the end didn't fare perhaps compared to some of those guys.
01:05:48.000If the LPGA is dominated by a certain, you know, that don't have the personality, it's hard to create, you know, a momentum around a sport that perhaps doesn't have a tiger.
01:05:57.000You know, what can you do or what do you try to do to create that happy medium of, you know, of the storyline, right?
01:06:03.000You're not the WWE, but the storyline didn't hurt, right?
01:06:07.000Conor became a legend, not just because he was a good fighter, he could back that up, but because the shit talk was incredible and it allowed for things to go viral.
01:06:16.000It sold... Yeah, listen, if you can find a guy that's like Conor McGregor or Ronda Rousey or some of these people with unbelievable amounts of charisma, it's a home run.
01:06:31.000But at the end of the day, all I'm looking for is who's the best.
01:07:23.000He's a great fighter. And he's created a brand around Trump.
01:07:28.000I remember he did one of the press conferences.
01:07:30.000He's reading my book at the press conference, ignoring everything else.
01:07:34.000It's funny, but he got a great following because of it.
01:07:37.000But yeah, you do need the happy medium.
01:07:39.000You can't just talk shit and get your ass kicked every time, right?
01:07:43.000100%. At the end of the day, you have to be really good.
01:07:46.000And then whatever you are from there, I'll work with.
01:07:50.000Any fighters that people should be looking out for that you're sort of seeing on your radar that really have that potential to be, you know, an Usman, a Khabib, or, you know, one of those kinds of guys?
01:08:00.000Well, I mean, if you look right now at what's going on with Hamzat Shemaev, I mean, this guy's turning into a massive star.
01:08:13.000We got a kid named Shavkat Rachmanov, who is a bad dude, you know, and right now he's ranked number five in the welterweight division.
01:08:23.000You know, we'll see what he ends up doing.
01:08:26.000You know, we've got some women coming up right now, a woman named Erin Blanchfield out of New Jersey, who is exciting and fun to watch.
01:09:07.000No doubt about it. Weili Zhang is one of the baddest human beings on the planet.
01:09:12.000Forget about women, you know, out of China.
01:09:14.000And, you know, you got Mackenzie Dern, you got Macy Barber, and, you know, a whole group of women now that are coming up that are fun to watch and super talented and so technical.
01:09:31.000That's awesome. Well, before we wrap up, any of the big fight cards that you have out coming in the next couple of weeks that you want to talk about or promote that are sort of unusual?
01:09:41.000Well, I'm going to be in New York City.
01:09:42.000You know, I'm going to be in New York City here on November 11th.
01:10:06.000Well, awesome, man. Well, Dan, I appreciate it, man.
01:10:09.000Thanks so much for the time. Thank you for the support.
01:10:11.000Most importantly, thank you for the friendship.
01:10:14.000You've been awesome. And hopefully it feels like it's mutual when we talk about the loyalty that way.
01:10:20.000But I look forward to seeing you soon.
01:10:22.000I promise I won't bother you for tickets anytime soon.
01:10:25.000Whenever you need tickets, brother, you got them.
01:10:27.000And thanks for having me. My pleasure, man.
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