Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Inside the Pentagon’s Hunt for UFOs, Plus Why Woke is Going Broke,Interviews with Michael Seifert & Lue Elizondo | TRIGGERED Ep.176

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00:07:58.000 Well, guys, joining me now, my good friend, Public Square CEO Michael Seifert.

00:08:06.000 Michael's been one of the guys taking on DEI initiatives, working on building the Patriot economy. 0.99

00:08:11.000 I mean, had an idea during the COVID lockdowns that just, I think, was incredible to fight back against some of the tyranny we saw from government, some of the stupidity we saw from the sheep and the lemmings.

00:08:24.000 in America who just followed things blindly, so it's awesome to have him back and talk about everything.

00:08:30.000 Good to see you, Michael.

00:08:32.000 Great to see you, Don.

00:08:33.000 Appreciate it.

00:08:34.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:08:34.000 All right, so first of all, how's the fight going against woke corporatism?

00:08:42.000 You know, we see so much of it, and yet the parallel economy, is it growing?

00:08:49.000 It is.

00:08:49.000 It's growing rapidly and we're winning.

00:08:52.000 And this has been evidenced multiple times over the course of the past few months.

00:08:56.000 John Deere backing down.

00:08:57.000 Tractor Supply backing down.

00:09:00.000 Bud Light dumping millions of dollars into ad campaigns that lean more toward conservative America.

00:09:06.000 Countless Fortune 500 companies dropping their DEI statements.

00:09:10.000 All together, we're winning.

00:09:12.000 We're winning.

00:09:13.000 The problem is, because these companies have lost in the court of public opinion, and their shareholders are frustrated because these companies for a long time have been prioritizing progressive politics instead of quality business, meritocracy, excellence, patriotism, etc.

00:09:30.000 They're now trying to lean on the help of regulators.

00:09:32.000 So you're seeing a lot of these companies, they've lost the PR battle, but they're hoping that their friends in DC that are on the progressive side can continue blowing wind in their sales.

00:09:43.000 You're seeing this especially in the world of banking or in payments, financial technology.

00:09:48.000 You're seeing a real operation choke point still happen on a lot of financial actors

00:09:53.000 that are trying to embrace meritocracy and excellence and get away from DEI and ESG.

00:10:00.000 The regulators are clamping down on a lot of these different industries that are trying

00:10:03.000 to embrace decentralization in the parallel economy like cryptocurrency.

00:10:07.000 So the fight is still very much on.

00:10:10.000 We are winning in the court of public opinion, but now we've got to win in Washington, D.C.

00:10:13.000 as well, because unfortunately, many of these progressive actors that had their tentacles in corporate boardrooms for a long time are still keeping on the pressure.

00:10:22.000 They're just now looking to do it less with marketing campaigns and doing it a lot more with the financial layer of these businesses, canceling people with payment processors that are against their values.

00:10:36.000 It's still a mess.

00:10:38.000 The other point I'd bring up, Don, is that while we are winning at the fight against ESG and DEI, some of these companies are backing down, like the ones I mentioned previously, but others of them are actually just renaming what these things are.

00:10:51.000 So Disney's not backing down from DEI or ESG.

00:10:54.000 They're just changing the name.

00:10:55.000 They're coming up with a different acronym.

00:10:57.000 BlackRock is not divesting completely from ESG and DEI.

00:11:01.000 Larry Fink is still saying that they need to control behaviors socially.

00:11:04.000 They're just renaming what they're calling these initiatives.

00:11:07.000 Instead, now they're talking less about DEI.

00:11:10.000 They're talking more about creating an environment that's welcoming within their staff.

00:11:15.000 But if you look at the policies that actually articulate that, it's the same thing as DEI.

00:11:20.000 So the fight is very much still on.

00:11:22.000 We've had a lot of big wins, but thankfully the parallel economy has been a solution throughout every chapter of this fight and will continue to be so into the future.

00:11:31.000 So talk about that a little bit.

00:11:32.000 You mentioned payments.

00:11:33.000 Obviously, you know, I know Public Square sort of started off as like, you know, let's call it a conservative Angie's List or even an Amazon type competitor,

00:11:40.000 but you've grown out into other verticals where you actually offer payment solutions

00:11:45.000 so that, you know, if you're a gun business, you don't just get canceled because your bank

00:11:49.000 all of a sudden decides they don't like the Second Amendment.

00:11:51.000 They're not going to acknowledge our basic fundamental rights.

00:11:55.000 They're just going to cancel you.

00:11:56.000 Talk about how, you know, public square has grown with those kinds of verticals as part

00:12:02.000 of combating that wokeness.

00:12:04.000 Again, if they're sort of they lose the PR battle, but they're still going to try to

00:12:07.000 get their stuff done in Washington, D.C., or they're going to pretend that there are

00:12:11.000 other factors that are stopping them, like their payment processor.

00:12:14.000 You know, what did public square, you know, talk about the details so people can figure

00:12:18.000 If you have small businesses, you can move your business over to public squares.

00:12:22.000 Payment processing, that way you're not at the whim or the behest of some of these bigger banks, these regulators, who will cancel you, not just because they don't like your business, but because perhaps you're not doing the renamed version of DEI, even if they're pretending DEI doesn't actually still exist.

00:12:39.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:12:40.000 So if you look at the life cycle of cancellation, how it generally starts is that there will be a business that is operating with their God-given rights to transact freely.

00:12:50.000 They're doing business legally.

00:12:51.000 They're doing it in a safe manner.

00:12:53.000 They're doing it responsibly.

00:12:55.000 So take a gun company, for example.

00:12:57.000 Our right to bear arms is endowed by our Creator.

00:13:00.000 It is fundamental to our Constitution.

00:13:02.000 It's found right there in the Bill of Rights in the Second Amendment.

00:13:04.000 It is one of the only economic expressions that is explicitly protected by the Bill of Rights.

00:13:10.000 So a gun company will go about their business helping consumers transact with great merchants in order to exercise their Second Amendment right.

00:13:17.000 A progressive activist gets very angry at the fact that that transaction is taking place, even though it's legal.

00:13:24.000 They will then go to the financial layer underneath these gun companies, i.e.

00:13:29.000 their banks, or their payment processors, or their insurance providers, and they will pressure these financial institutions to remove their services from these gun companies. 0.65

00:13:42.000 Then, once the cancellation takes place, they shut the payments processor off in the middle of the night, the gun business is stranded, their sales plummet because of it, and they're up a creek without a paddle, even though they were doing everything exactly how they're supposed to be doing it.

00:13:56.000 So, there are many such cases of this.

00:13:58.000 You and I have both been cancelled.

00:14:00.000 You, certainly more than probably anyone in the country, have dealt with The realities of the financial institutions coming after your right to speak freely and transact freely.

00:14:09.000 There is a really strong need there in the financial layer to provide security, protection, and assurance against cancellation pressure.

00:14:18.000 So, we deal with 80,000 plus merchants that have all felt the heavy thumb of the cancellation forces over the course of the past decade especially, and we thought what better way to serve them On top of the marketplace offering, then actually by offering a payment solution so that we could protect their financial lair in a way that is high class technology, impenetrable to the forces of hackers, data security antagonists, as well as the cancellation actors.

00:14:48.000 And thankfully, it's working.

00:14:50.000 We've actually recently purchased a financial stack and we've added our own products to it in the gun space

00:14:56.000 that allows for us to handle payments processing for the gun space specifically, but not exclusively.

00:15:01.000 We can do this for multiple different industries.

00:15:03.000 And in the next year alone, we're anticipating processing billions of dollars in transactions

00:15:09.000 specifically for the gun industry, but in a myriad of different industries

00:15:12.000 that are represented on public square.

00:15:14.000 We're doing this to provide an ability for the leaders of these companies

00:15:18.000 that are living out their patriotic values to sleep easy at night.

00:15:22.000 Nobody in our country deserves to be canceled because they are following the constitution.

00:15:27.000 And yet that's what's happening, not just in the gun industry,

00:15:29.000 but even in Christian ministries.

00:15:31.000 Some of the biggest Christian ministries that we know of in our country that are doing over $250 million a year in donations, Don, have had their payments processors, like Stripe, shut them off in the middle of the night, with no warning.

00:15:44.000 No heads up, no ability to actually migrate their services to another provider.

00:15:50.000 It's unethical, it's unconstitutional, it's egregious what's taking place.

00:15:54.000 And so our goal for a small business, a medium-sized merchant, all the way up to larger enterprise corporate entities, but we really focus on those small businesses.

00:16:03.000 Is making sure that for the entire existence, they have safety and security.

00:16:09.000 They have the blessed assurance that they're not going to get turned off and that they know that public square is a partner for their customer acquisition as well as the infrastructure technology that's needed to power their business.

00:16:19.000 So how does one find that?

00:16:20.000 How does one sign up so that they can figure it out?

00:16:23.000 Because, again, I talk about it on the show all the time, right?

00:16:25.000 There's, you know, people, oh, you don't like it?

00:16:27.000 Build your own.

00:16:28.000 Well, guys like you and I actually do that, right?

00:16:30.000 We met, you know, two and a half years ago.

00:16:32.000 I love the idea.

00:16:32.000 I said, let's run with this.

00:16:35.000 And, you know, we took it public on the New York Stock Exchange.

00:16:37.000 We started purchasing these other verticals.

00:16:39.000 You know, how do people find that?

00:16:40.000 Because the biggest thing is people always like, Well, there's stuff out... What do we do?

00:16:44.000 What's the next action step?

00:16:45.000 Because, like, you know, I always say, these guys, you know, these small businesses, they got to support this kind of stuff, because if you keep feeding that beast that's eating you alive, eventually, there's a point of no return.

00:16:55.000 So, how do people find that?

00:16:56.000 How do they sign up?

00:16:57.000 How simple is it?

00:16:58.000 Because, you know, everyone always thinks of these things as all that complicated, and they're actually not.

00:17:02.000 You just actually have to take the effort, just like using, you know, Public Square versus using Amazon, or, you know, in this case, the payment stack.

00:17:09.000 It's very easy, Don.

00:17:10.000 You head to publicsquare.com slash payments.

00:17:13.000 If you head to publicsquare.com slash payments, that'll take you to our payments landing page where you can learn all about our payment stack offering.

00:17:20.000 It's encrypted.

00:17:21.000 You actually have the ability as a merchant to store your customer data fully encrypted and you actually have a tool that allows for all the compliance to be taken care of along that journey.

00:17:32.000 One of the problems with payments processors often is that they will store all the consumer data And that's a really tough challenge when you're actually looking to leave.

00:17:40.000 They basically have you by the throat as a merchant if they store all of your customer data, but oftentimes merchants will allow a processor to do that because they don't want to deal with the compliance efforts of storing the data themselves.

00:17:52.000 We have a tool that actually makes that very easy and seamless so that you can have the ability to operate as your own entity with your own consumer data without having to worry about many of the compliance Hurdles.

00:18:02.000 You can find all of that at publicsquare.com slash payments.

00:18:05.000 We've worked with gun companies, Christian ministries, coffee companies, the list goes on and on.

00:18:11.000 So no matter what services you're offering, we want you to be able to transact in peace.

00:18:15.000 It's that simple.

00:18:16.000 You mentioned Amazon.

00:18:18.000 Don, this is a great example of another corporate actor that is aggressively pursuing not just cancellation, but swaying of the American population in an election season.

00:18:28.000 It was just a few weeks ago that Amazon, through Alexa, Came out and said, and I actually wrote an op-ed about this recently in town hall, Amazon's Alexa service, when asked, give me some reasons why I should vote for President Donald Trump, wouldn't answer.

00:18:43.000 Said, I can't comment on the election.

00:18:44.000 I can't give answers about why or why not.

00:18:47.000 You should not vote for a presidential candidate.

00:18:49.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:18:51.000 You then ask Amazon Alexa, tell me why I should vote for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:18:55.000 And Amazon's Alexa's first response is there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, but one of the main ones is that she has a great policy agenda and she's a woman of color and all these things. 0.99

00:19:06.000 It is blatant election interference coming out of the largest companies in the world.

00:19:11.000 We have to decentralize.

00:19:13.000 We have to remove these financial actors that are acting far more like Politicians at this point and we need to actually shift the profit centers of society back toward we the people that's the goal at the end of the day.

00:19:25.000 It's why we do everything we do at public square whether it's providing a consumer experience through our marketplace at public square.com or by facilitating payments processing.

00:19:34.000 for merchants so that they can transact with their customers in peace.

00:19:37.000 It all comes down at the end of the day to bringing power back to the people.

00:19:41.000 And I'm so grateful for companies like Rumble that are seeking to do this in the entertainment space.

00:19:46.000 Great companies like Truth and X that are trying to do this in the worlds of microblogging or in free speech.

00:19:52.000 We need this parallel economy to continue its rise.

00:19:56.000 I'm grateful for companies like Red Balloon that are pursuing this in the hiring market and helping companies pursue HR strategies that aren't absolutely seeped in wokeness.

00:20:06.000 I actually have a lot of hope for the future of our country as long as economic actors like Rumble and Truth and X and Red Balloon and us and you have the ability to make sure that we're providing services to our customers.

00:20:19.000 As long as we're able to advance and grow, I think the American economy is going to go in a really incredible direction, especially as many of these large corporate entities are learning that their woke actions and their cancellation procedures are not popular with the American people.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, Red Balloon's another great one.

00:20:35.000 if you're a small business and you're looking to hire, or if you're a big business and you're looking to hire

00:20:38.000 and you wanna make sure you don't get someone that's just gonna be an activist

00:20:41.000 destroying the corporate morale in there, complaining about every time you say Merry Christmas,

00:20:46.000 you know, check them out.

00:20:47.000 I think they can save you a lot of hassles.

00:20:49.000 I mean, I think, you know, a good hire is great, but preventing a bad hire is probably one of the most

00:20:56.000 important things you can do in any level of business.

00:21:00.000 So that's a great example.

00:21:01.000 But yeah, you know, we talk about, you know, If you have an Amazon account, you hit one button, it's easy.

00:21:07.000 But they are literally, their entire AI platform, their entire Alexa platform, one of the largest corporations in the world, owned by the guy that also owns the, let's just call it, not-so-conservative Washington Post, Jeff Bezos, they're literally shilling for Kamala Harris.

00:21:25.000 If this was, if they were doing it for Trump, There would be a Federal Election Commission violation immediately in terms of an in-kind contribution to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars for doing that, but because the Democrats are doing it, and because they're perpetrating their woke machine and boosting it up, it'll be 100% fine.

00:21:44.000 Don't just take that easy way out.

00:21:47.000 I get it.

00:21:48.000 I get it.

00:21:48.000 We all have to make that effort.

00:21:50.000 If we heard them in the purse strings, if we heard them in the wallet, we vote with our wallet, we can change so much of what's going on in our country.

00:21:59.000 We just have to do it.

00:22:00.000 You know, we've gotten so easy.

00:22:02.000 Everything's gotten so easy.

00:22:03.000 We're such an instant gratification society.

00:22:05.000 We have to take those extra steps.

00:22:07.000 You have to boost the things.

00:22:08.000 You give us the chance to grow.

00:22:10.000 You know, everything else becomes easier in time, but we need your guys' support to do all of that.

00:22:16.000 I think you agree with that 100%, Michael.

00:22:17.000 You started a business around it, but what else do people have to understand about just how far it's gone?

00:22:24.000 Well, I think people need to recognize that there's not only this sort of woke versus common sense play, DEI versus meritocracy war going on.

00:22:33.000 It goes way deeper than this.

00:22:34.000 There's also a battle between globalism and economic protection on the nation state level.

00:22:41.000 If you look at over the last 20 years, Don, say two decades, you could even expand it a little farther all the way back to the 80s.

00:22:49.000 Many of these multinational corporations have gobbled up the American economy.

00:22:52.000 They have punished Main Street America.

00:22:54.000 They've made it nearly impossible to operate a small business.

00:22:57.000 They've offshored our labor.

00:22:59.000 They have destroyed the American culture. 0.90

00:23:02.000 And they've also been a major actor in importing labor so that they can pay less wages, making it almost impossible for a small business to compete.

00:23:11.000 This stuff has to end.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, all the new jobs in America right now and they're, you know, the jobs reports are a disaster and they put out what looks like relatively decent numbers and then they revise them down by a million jobs the following month because, you know, they're cheating and, you know, the labor bureaus and all that will, they'll play the game to help the Democrats.

00:23:28.000 But yeah, they're doing that.

00:23:30.000 It's a disaster and it's killing the American dream and the American workforce. 0.51

00:23:34.000 If you look at the last five years, native-born job growth done, 0%.

00:23:39.000 We haven't had any.

00:23:40.000 If you were born here in the United States, we've seen no job growth amongst that demographic over the last five years.

00:23:46.000 If you look at foreign-born job growth, it's absolutely through the roof.

00:23:50.000 All the new jobs are going to foreign-born folks that are coming in here, imported by the Democrats, taking the labor away from native-born Americans that many of whom were actually immigrants from two or three decades ago and came here for a better life.

00:24:05.000 They did it the right way.

00:24:06.000 They sought legal entrance into this country and they were a part of a wave where meritocracy was actually really important.

00:24:13.000 30 years ago, You couldn't just immigrate here with no college degree, no practical skills, no family to take care of.

00:24:20.000 We were getting the best and the brightest at a time.

00:24:23.000 But now we've so lowered the standards and we don't think that's going to affect the economy.

00:24:27.000 It's decimated customer service.

00:24:29.000 It's allowed for a language barrier amongst so many different service jobs in our country to become overwhelming and almost undoable when you're in a customer experience because you can't understand the person on the other side of the transaction.

00:24:42.000 And all of this in the name of equity, it's not...

00:24:47.000 First of all- It gets so much worse.

00:24:49.000 I mean, have you been following what was going on in Springfield, Ohio earlier this month?

00:24:53.000 I mean, Democrats are literally hell bent on destroying American towns.

00:24:57.000 I mean, they've been bringing in hundreds of thousands of Haitian immigrants. 0.73

00:25:01.000 They're like, apparently like eating ducks from the local park, local people's pets.

00:25:07.000 A young child was murdered by a Haitian immigrant.

00:25:11.000 We're not importing the finest.

00:25:12.000 We're not bringing people that add any value anymore.

00:25:16.000 It's not a meritocracy anymore.

00:25:18.000 We bring in the worst because they'll be reliable Democrat voters. 0.82

00:25:23.000 The Democrats aren't trying to bring in people who are going to build American jobs.

00:25:26.000 They're bringing in people who will reliably vote Democrat because they're going to be dependent on big government and the handouts that come with it.

00:25:33.000 You know, how does all of that relate to the parallel economy and supporting businesses in your town who actually support you?

00:25:41.000 Because, you know, again, that's the other difference, right?

00:25:43.000 These towns, the local mom and pop In Springfield, Ohio, they're getting crushed, you know, while Amazon's gonna do just fine and they got their lobbyists that are making millions of dollars a month to make sure that everyone on both sides of the aisle in Washington, D.C.

00:25:56.000 does their bidding so they can keep growing while simultaneously sticking the shaft to those great patriotic Americans who are just trying to live their American dream.

00:26:04.000 You know, what do you see there? 0.91

00:26:05.000 I mean, it's ludicrous. 0.84

00:26:07.000 I mean, they're literally eating pets. 0.92

00:26:09.000 They're eating pets. 0.91

00:26:10.000 Like, what's the thought process to bringing these people into this country? 1.00

00:26:14.000 I don't get it.

00:26:15.000 Unless you're just trying to destroy the country, which I guess they don't care about because they get to have their security details and they live behind their walls.

00:26:22.000 And, you know, other walls are racist, but not the one around their homes.

00:26:25.000 The Democrats have no moral compass and they also have no pride in our nation.

00:26:30.000 When you understand that the Democrats view our country as a bank, nothing more, nothing less, it's just a place that they can extract value from, all this starts to make a lot more sense.

00:26:40.000 They're insulated from their policies.

00:26:42.000 They're not having to actually deal with the plight of Springfield, Ohio.

00:26:46.000 They're not having to deal with any of this.

00:26:47.000 They're not dealing with Flint, Michigan.

00:26:49.000 They're not dealing with any of the cities crumbling around the country type atmosphere like you're seeing in Minneapolis.

00:26:56.000 They're not dealing with any of this.

00:26:57.000 They have their home in Cape Cod, where they disappear from the consequences of their own policy initiatives, and as long as they can keep extracting value out of this country, they're going to do so with no remorse.

00:27:10.000 They don't care about you.

00:27:11.000 They don't care about your little town.

00:27:13.000 They don't care about Main Street America.

00:27:14.000 They don't care about the family-owned and operated businesses, because you're not where they make their money. 0.77

00:27:18.000 They make their money from massive lobbyists, multinational globalist corporations that have offshored the labor decades ago, and any labor that they keep here is foreign-born anyways.

00:27:29.000 They do not care about you.

00:27:31.000 Here's a simple question to ask related to the 20,000 Haitians that came into our country under everybody's nose. 0.99

00:27:37.000 How many of them do you really think are voting for Republicans?

00:27:40.000 None.

00:27:41.000 By the way, you know what, I'll say this.

00:27:42.000 Like, the ones that are entrepreneurial, like the Uber drivers, it's always amazing to me.

00:27:46.000 Because I'll hop in one and they'll be like, Are you d- I love your- you know.

00:27:50.000 But it's such a small percentage.

00:27:51.000 The ones they're bringing in now, there's the guys like, you know, Barbecue.

00:27:54.000 The guy that, you know, the cannibal, like, drug lord, uh, in Haiti that's literally eating people over there. 0.74

00:27:59.000 I mean, you know, that's the vast majority of them.

00:28:03.000 But I'm actually sort of surprised at how many that have done it sort of the right way and been here for a while.

00:28:07.000 They're all voting for Trump, but it's not the ones that Kamala Harris and her policies, where she's out there on TV bragging, we should find that clip, you know, and put it in here, bragging about bringing in, I think it was like 100,000, like, I'm like, what could possibly go wrong, Michael?

00:28:20.000 What could go wrong?

00:28:22.000 They have a different culture than us, and at the end of the day... Yeah, and not all cultures are created equal.

00:28:26.000 Remember when my father talked about, you know, shithole countries?

00:28:29.000 And, you know, not gonna lie, there are some.

00:28:32.000 It doesn't sound nice, but guess what?

00:28:33.000 The truth isn't always nice.

00:28:34.000 Sometimes it's just the truth.

00:28:36.000 And then you had, you know, Conan O'Brien.

00:28:38.000 Haiti was always great.

00:28:39.000 And it's like now they have, you know, cannibal gangs walking around eating people in the town.

00:28:42.000 I'm like, I don't know, man.

00:28:43.000 I just, you know...

00:28:45.000 People are all equal, but not all cultures are the same.

00:28:48.000 Yeah, the cat ladies are facing quite a conundrum right now because on one hand, cat ladies are supposed to vote for Kamala because they hate J.D. 1.00

00:28:56.000 Vance and they hate President Trump and they say cat ladies for Kamala.

00:28:59.000 But on the other hand, if you vote as a cat lady for Kamala, you're putting your cat's life at risk that it's going to be eaten by Haitians. 0.99

00:29:06.000 So you're in a bit of a catch-22 here.

00:29:09.000 This is like that meme, like, which button do you push?

00:29:11.000 It's like, I don't know, I'm confused.

00:29:14.000 It's a little bit rough.

00:29:15.000 You know, but, you know, I guess part of, you know, when we talk about, you know, the left bringing things back to Washington, D.C., I gotta, you know, I'll let you cage this because I know you're the CEO of a public company, so you have to be careful about, you know, what you say and how you say it.

00:29:28.000 But, you know, I noticed You know, last week, Robbie Starbuck put up a video about Tim Sheehy.

00:29:35.000 Tim Sheehy's a former Navy SEAL, Purple Heart recipient.

00:29:39.000 He created a great business in Montana that focuses on putting out like literally wildfires, like saving homes and forestry and lives.

00:29:47.000 And there's a lot of people, all Democrat donors that are shorting his company, trying

00:29:52.000 to basically hurt him financially.

00:29:55.000 You run a conservative company on the New York Stock Exchange.

00:29:59.000 I know Chris Pavlosky of Rumble, Evan Hafer of Black Rifle Coffee.

00:30:06.000 It seems like there's a consistent trend where these Democrats, not just weaponizing things

00:30:11.000 legally, in Washington, D.C. through regulation or their fake campaigns as we dealt with Rumble

00:30:18.000 and were exposed by Elon Musk and Chris Pavlosky again, of the fake marketing campaigns going

00:30:23.000 after advertisers to prevent them on those platforms.

00:30:27.000 You know, there seems to be a lot of gamesmanship in terms of the manipulation of stock prices.

00:30:32.000 Let's call it, like, the naked shorts.

00:30:34.000 Maybe you can explain that concept to people, not even legal.

00:30:37.000 It's not just people short selling because they don't like a business, but, you know, seemingly, you know, collaborating to short a business and go against it.

00:30:45.000 You know, again, I want to be careful.

00:30:47.000 I don't want to put you in a bad spot.

00:30:48.000 Can you talk a little bit about that, what you can and can't say, you know, again, as the CEO of a public's company, or maybe talk about it generally so it's not, Not just Public Square, but it's something I see out there.

00:30:58.000 It seems so flagrant.

00:31:00.000 You know, Tim Sheehy, great guy, American hero, Navy SEAL, all-American badass, built a great company, took it public, one of the few public companies in Montana, and all of a sudden now revenues are up, but the stock price is getting crushed because a bunch of people are trying to hurt him financially through some shady games because of his politics.

00:31:20.000 You know, I don't know.

00:31:22.000 I think I've seen worse companies than ones that specialize in putting out wildfires in Montana and saving, you know, saving not just the wilderness, but people's homes and lives in the process.

00:31:31.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?

00:31:33.000 Explain what the Naked Short is and, you know, so people can understand what's going on?

00:31:37.000 Because again, if they do it right and we combat it right, I imagine there's a way we can actually make those guys pay dearly as well.

00:31:44.000 Well, that's exactly right, John.

00:31:45.000 The biggest thing here is just the knowledge is power concept.

00:31:49.000 A lot of times this stuff happens under our noses, and people don't really know what to look for, and they don't know that it's going on, and so they're not really sure how to combat the problem.

00:31:59.000 This is something that True Social's dealt with, we've dealt with, Rumble's dealt with, many other companies.

00:32:03.000 Yeah, True Social, I believe, I believe it's like the most shorted stock Uh, maybe in the world.

00:32:09.000 I, you know, I don't know exactly, but, you know, I'm on the board of that, so I'll keep very, you know, I'll keep very, you know, general, but, you know, I've heard people say that, and, yeah, I wonder why that is.

00:32:19.000 It's like, huh, I wonder why that is, you know what I mean?

00:32:22.000 Well, and most of the time, you know, you're allowed to short stocks.

00:32:25.000 You're allowed to basically bet on the company's demise.

00:32:29.000 That's what a short is.

00:32:31.000 And you do that through borrowing shares, and you then do that from selling these shares in a way as if you owned the shares, and you actually get to profit on the difference as the company declines.

00:32:43.000 And this is a legal practice.

00:32:44.000 Whether or not you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, You are allowed to short shares at the end of the day.

00:32:48.000 Naked shorting is incredibly illegal and it's very problematic because ultimately at the end of the day you're essentially short selling the shares when you don't actually have the security borrowed or even verified in its existence.

00:33:03.000 It's a very illegal practice and it's hard to also pinpoint where exactly it's happening.

00:33:08.000 And so you'll have great CEOs like Devin Nunes, for example, that actually put out a letter basically inquiring into the potential naked short activity.

00:33:17.000 But this is something that many companies have dealt with in the past from financial actors that are not willing to be transparent.

00:33:24.000 Most of the time when you're shorting a company, especially if you're a larger enterprise that's shorting, you'll actually put out your short activity.

00:33:31.000 It's pretty well known on the street who is actually doing the borrowing and who's doing the selling and who's engaging in the short activity holistically.

00:33:38.000 Naked shorting is a little different.

00:33:40.000 It's a very behind-the-scenes activity that's very hard to pinpoint and it makes fighting it as a company very, very difficult.

00:33:46.000 And so, you know, I can only speculate on what's happened in stocks like ours or Truce or Rumbles.

00:33:51.000 It's a bit of a guessing game, but I can tell you that the best way that you counteract activity from either people that are naked shorting behind the scenes that are trying to do the short selling activity without actually borrowing the shares themselves, or even people that are trying to put negative pressure on certain more conservative leaning stocks through coordinated press campaigns that are steeped in untruths.

00:34:15.000 The best way to counteract these things is to actually, A, bring knowledge to it and bring attention to the matter.

00:34:22.000 That way you can build a resistance army that fights against these sorts of activities.

00:34:26.000 And B, it's try to gain more notoriety for the good that the company is doing in the hopes that the real value they're creating would be recognized and rewarded in the stock market.

00:34:34.000 So exactly like you're describing with Tim Sheehy, who I know personally, he's a great man.

00:34:39.000 He's a fighter for our country in every sense of the word.

00:34:43.000 The ideal here is that his company, through this press event, would actually gain in traction.

00:34:49.000 People would recognize what he's doing that's good and fruitful for the country, and that he would be rewarded for it, and then you can burn the shorts.

00:34:56.000 Because these shorts, if you can get them into a position where they can't cover themselves, and the company actually does the opposite of what they were hoping to do, and it actually grows in value, then the shorts are screwed, and they are out the money.

00:35:08.000 And that's the goal.

00:35:09.000 You ultimately want to burn these people as a company founder who don't believe in your mission.

00:35:13.000 If they're going to bet on your demise, you want to prove them wrong.

00:35:16.000 That's natural of anybody who's trying to build an enterprise.

00:35:19.000 It's really unfortunate when companies like Tim's are being judged purely on their political views.

00:35:26.000 One other thing I'll mention, Don, is that Often what'll happen, if you go on X for example or Truth and you actually put in a stock ticker and see how people are talking about different stock tickers, you can find the activists really quickly.

00:35:41.000 And a lot of these activists will actually, with large followings, put out false information about the companies that they're trying to short in the hopes that they will build an army that'll want to short with them and then that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy because the stock will then fall and they'll make their money.

00:35:58.000 Well, this is a really illegal practice.

00:36:01.000 You can't just selectively comb through financial materials, put out untruths.

00:36:06.000 For example, Don, this has happened with Public Square.

00:36:08.000 We've had people, from the minute we went public, say, oh, I bet Michael and Don went and sold.

00:36:13.000 Neither you or I have sold a single share.

00:36:15.000 In fact, we're not even allowed to.

00:36:16.000 We're locked up.

00:36:17.000 Well, we voluntarily locked ourselves up just because we believe in the mission.

00:36:21.000 That's the thing.

00:36:22.000 I'm not in it for a quick buck.

00:36:24.000 You could do that very easily.

00:36:25.000 That's not my thing.

00:36:27.000 Well, and that's where if you have an influencer that's out there that's saying, oh, they've

00:36:31.000 sold everything and that's verifiably false, but those people face no punishment for lying.

00:36:38.000 That's a huge problem with our system because the SEC should be investigating anybody who's

00:36:43.000 willing to put out blatant falsehoods about a company in order to try to push the stock

00:36:48.000 price in a certain direction, whether that's up or down.

00:36:51.000 And we as a company are held to very strict regulations about what we can say, what we can't say.

00:36:56.000 We never have the ability to try to put out information, especially not deceptive information, in order to try to influence the price of our security.

00:37:04.000 Why should our enemies be able to do that same thing with no repercussions?

00:37:09.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:37:11.000 My hope is that as people are learning about the egregious actions that are being taken in terms of either, you know, open short positions that are heavily advertised but based on deceptive falsehoods, or naked short activity that's more behind the scenes and is conducted illegally, or pure pressure campaigns to try to influence the price of a stock, my hope is that all of this illuminating spotlight placed on this issue will hopefully lead regulators to finally pay attention and distribute justice equally.

00:37:40.000 But also a mass level of support from patriots that say, hey, Tim's actually building a great company.

00:37:46.000 I want to invest into that company in the hopes that I can help the company realize its full value.

00:37:53.000 At the end of the day, that's that's how we fight back.

00:37:55.000 Yeah, and again, you know, from what I see, you know, I look at, you know, whether it's a Black Rifle Coffee and I look at other companies with similar businesses and, you know, even much lesser revenue and I look at their share price versus the others and I'm like, huh, what's going on here?

00:38:10.000 Because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

00:38:12.000 So yeah, we got to figure that out and, you know, figure out how to combat it.

00:38:16.000 Unfortunately, we'll never get a fair shake with the regulators because they're vested on the other side.

00:38:20.000 If we were doing this to a liberal company, I can assure you we'd be investigated.

00:38:25.000 It would be a big deal.

00:38:26.000 There'd be congressional hearings and something would get done.

00:38:29.000 You know, unfortunately, we don't get to play.

00:38:31.000 We have to play by a different set of rules.

00:38:33.000 But, you know, I think we'll prevail because we're right.

00:38:36.000 But it's why we just need everyone's support so much.

00:38:39.000 So, Michael, you know, any final thoughts for people to know about Public Square, what they can do, what's going on, what's new, how they can help and get involved?

00:38:48.000 Well, I would just say that if you want to support American-owned operations that are powered by families just like yours, small businesses that love their country, love the Constitution, and will build their businesses with meritocracy, excellence, and innovation in mind, you want to shop from those types of businesses, you can head to publicsquare.com.

00:39:07.000 If you would like to inquire about switching your payment processor over to an entity that will protect your right to conduct transactions with your customers, come hell or high water, go to publicsquare.com slash payments.

00:39:20.000 And at the end of the day, my encouragement to everyone, vote with your ballot, vote with your wallet, vote with your time, your energy, and resources.

00:39:28.000 Anything you do in your life, is it a vote or an endorsement for something?

00:39:31.000 And so anytime we're spending, anytime we're swiping the card, anytime we're going to the ballot box, we want to make sure that our lives are an expression of our convictions and of our values.

00:39:40.000 I don't want to hold my convictions really fast and tight at the ballot box, but then not transact with those same convictions, because all I'm then doing is feeding the beast that's going to use my money against me.

00:39:51.000 And so my encouragement to folks is recognize that you have enormous power as a voter, as a consumer, and as a patriot more holistically with how you spend your time and your money.

00:40:02.000 Regarding how we save the economy, it really, at the end of the day, will look like a gradual and then sudden.

00:40:09.000 It's going to be millions of little actions, little transactions, and one day, a decade or two down the road, we're going to wake up and realize that there's a new American Renaissance era Likewise.

00:40:19.000 You know what?

00:40:19.000 us because we have built a parallel economy that is able to withstand the forces of cancellation

00:40:24.000 that are seeking to destroy us.

00:40:26.000 That's the goal at the end of the day.

00:40:28.000 And Don, I know you're on the journey with us.

00:40:30.000 I'm so appreciative of everything you've done.

00:40:32.000 You've been really the leader of the parallel patriotic economy.

00:40:35.000 And it's an honor to be in the fight with you.

00:40:38.000 Likewise, you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't give you a tell everyone about every life

00:40:42.000 because again, we keep seeing these voids and we just try to fill them.

00:40:45.000 So this is another, like, vertical from Public Square where, yeah, hey, I never thought I'd be in the diaper business.

00:40:51.000 I'm not gonna lie to you.

00:40:52.000 I did not have that in my bingo card ever, but talk a little bit about EveryLife diapers, what it is.

00:40:57.000 I mean, the fastest growing baby brand in the world right now.

00:41:00.000 I mean, super excited.

00:41:01.000 I mean, and again, why?

00:41:03.000 Just even, you know, the notion of public square and where these things are.

00:41:06.000 I look at these things.

00:41:06.000 I look at these companies and the growth.

00:41:08.000 It's just incredible.

00:41:08.000 So, uh, give everyone that pitch because anyone who's having babies or knows someone who's having babies, uh, rather than supporting the woke companies that have traditionally been in that space, who donate freely to Planned Parenthood and everything that, talk about Every Life and what we're doing there.

00:41:24.000 I'd be happy to.

00:41:24.000 This one's fun.

00:41:25.000 It might sound kind of random.

00:41:27.000 Uh, cause you're right.

00:41:28.000 We did start a temper company together.

00:41:29.000 It is kind of random, but it's like, hey, you see a window, you got to run through it.

00:41:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:33.000 Exactly.

00:41:33.000 We learned from our platform, publicsquare.com, that we had a lot of moms, largely Christian conservative moms, that were looking for baby goods, diapers, wipes, pull-ups that aligned with their values.

00:41:45.000 Because crazy enough, every single major baby brand in the United States today, without exception, every single one of them, Pampers, Huggies, Hello Bello, Honest, Coterie, They were actually taking their money and donating it to Planned Parenthood.

00:41:59.000 They were supporting abortion organizations financially.

00:42:03.000 They were going in egregious support of Democrats.

00:42:06.000 In fact, one of the nicest diaper companies, after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which was responsible, which your father was actually responsible for, that was an incredible act.

00:42:16.000 Because it made constitutional sense, which is what the Supreme Court is supposed to do at the end of the day.

00:42:21.000 They worked the process.

00:42:22.000 It happened how it was supposed to.

00:42:24.000 Coterie, the Rolls-Royce of diapers, they call themselves, came out and said that they were heartbroken at the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

00:42:30.000 This is a diaper company.

00:42:31.000 It makes no sense.

00:42:32.000 They said their team feels lost.

00:42:34.000 That's like going and like, that's shooting your customer.

00:42:37.000 It's literally like trying to kill your future customers. 0.63

00:42:42.000 Mind-blowing.

00:42:43.000 It is, but it shows you how far the woke economy went.

00:42:45.000 So, when we saw that there's a huge void in the market, there's a need for an elegant, high-quality baby brand that would celebrate life and the expansion of families, especially as we're seeing a birth rate decline, Don, right now, that is keeping me up at night.

00:42:59.000 We do not have enough babies being born.

00:43:01.000 We needed a brand that would actually celebrate the miracle of family, that would recognize that strong families build a strong nation, and would have the best diaper on the market.

00:43:09.000 We knew if we built it, we had the audience there at Public Square who would buy it, so we built a baby brand called EveryLife.

00:43:15.000 And Don, we launched it about 11 months ago.

00:43:18.000 And it is now, as you mentioned, the fastest growing baby brand in the entire world.

00:43:22.000 It is booming.

00:43:24.000 And what's pretty cool to date is that the number one driver of new customers for our baby brand, EveryLife, is actually families from the Public Square Marketplace community.

00:43:33.000 So it's this ecosystem that's helping feed each other.

00:43:37.000 Folks are finding out about the parallel economy on Rumble through the content they're watching here.

00:43:41.000 They're coming in and shopping on Public Square.

00:43:43.000 They're talking about their experiences on Truth and X. It's this ecosystem That is becoming more and more impenetrable, and it's growing by the day.

00:43:52.000 So whether you're looking to buy guns or diapers, you should be able to do that in a way that is void of any sort of cancellation pressure and celebrates the values that make our country special.

00:44:02.000 You can do that through Public Square.

00:44:03.000 You can do that through EveryLife.

00:44:05.000 And we're going to keep building solutions as we see holes in the market, Don.

00:44:09.000 At the end of the day, that's why we are here.

00:44:11.000 We're here to build.

00:44:12.000 We're here to provide proactive solutions.

00:44:14.000 And it's a fun fight to be on.

00:44:17.000 Well, I'm glad to be in it with you, buddy.

00:44:18.000 You're doing an incredible job, guys.

00:44:21.000 Follow Seifert.

00:44:22.000 Follow Michael Seifert on Twitter.

00:44:24.000 He does a great job there, too, pushing back on these things.

00:44:26.000 Check out Public Square.

00:44:27.000 Check out Every Life.

00:44:29.000 If you're having a baby, if you know someone that has babies, whatever it may be, again, you know, we'll go ahead and do all the work to build these things.

00:44:36.000 We just appreciate your guys' support in helping us grow and helping us push back against the woke virus and the insanity that we see out there every day.

00:44:44.000 So, Michael Seifert, thank you very much, buddy.

00:44:46.000 Great to see you.

00:44:46.000 And I look forward to talking to you soon.

00:44:49.000 Don, great to see you, too.

00:44:50.000 We'll keep fighting.

00:44:51.000 Thank you.

00:44:51.000 Always.

00:44:53.000 Well, guys, joining me now, author of the book Imminent, Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs, the former head of the Pentagon program responsible for the investigation of UFOs, Lou Elizondo.

00:45:08.000 Lou, you're out with a new book, Imminent, which is a look inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs and the profound secrets of the program.

00:45:18.000 What are some of those secrets?

00:45:19.000 I mean, it seems almost crazy.

00:45:21.000 Maybe it's the world in which we live right now that's just gone so out of whack that all of a sudden you started seeing all these Air Force videos of UFOs and people aren't even like, Like, in the grand scheme of things, it's almost shocking how little a reaction we've gotten from people.

00:45:42.000 What does the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs look like?

00:45:45.000 Well, you know, let's go back to what you said.

00:45:47.000 What is the biggest secret?

00:45:48.000 I think the biggest secret that most people don't know is that The U.S.

00:45:51.000 government has had a long vested interest in the topic of UAP or, in the vernacular, UFOs going back decades.

00:45:59.000 A lot of folks, you know, they hear anecdotally about the Foo Fighters towards the end of World War II.

00:46:04.000 Then they hear a little bit between Project Blue Book and then, of course, BAM, A-TIP.

00:46:09.000 What they don't realize is that the government has had a long, long-standing interest in this, had many, many different UAP investigations.

00:46:16.000 throughout the decades, and it never really stopped.

00:46:19.000 And I think, you know, when you when you look at the topic, and you think tinfoil hats and silly things like that, the reality is, we're talking about a real national security issue, a national security issue that affects every single American.

00:46:31.000 And frankly, the I would submit to you even even our democracy now, not for the ways you might think.

00:46:38.000 But if you want to get into that, we certainly can can get into that as well.

00:46:41.000 Yeah, well, let's hear all about it.

00:46:43.000 I mean, obviously there's a national security issue, but I think it also seems like a civilizational issue.

00:46:47.000 You know, if those technologies are that advanced and if they were, you know, you know, you see the movies and as much as I'm not a fan of Hollywood, it does seem like a lot of the stuff they predict 20 years later sort of ends up happening.

00:47:01.000 You know, talk a little bit about that.

00:47:03.000 What does it all mean?

00:47:04.000 You know, how much of it can be, you know, extraterrestrial life versus perhaps, you know, again, Other countries with just, you know, better technology.

00:47:12.000 I can see the Chinese stealing our stuff, spending trillions of dollars to advance it. 1.00

00:47:15.000 It's not like we don't give them enough money.

00:47:18.000 And creating a real threat, you know, beyond, again, extraterrestrial life.

00:47:22.000 Yeah, actually, all of the above.

00:47:23.000 You're absolutely correct.

00:47:24.000 You know, there's obviously concern that this could be some sort of adversarial, beyond-next-generation technology that's being used against us.

00:47:32.000 And then there's the other reality that this could be something profoundly different.

00:47:36.000 And anything that we're actually Used to or prepared to talk about.

00:47:40.000 I'll give you a case in point.

00:47:43.000 There is advanced air.

00:47:44.000 We obviously have vehicles that can perform in the ways that the five observables predict, right?

00:47:49.000 So instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic velocity, low observability, transmedium travel, and in the vernacular, anti-gravity.

00:47:56.000 But the reality is, is that what we are looking at are objects.

00:48:00.000 For example, let's take the end of World War II.

00:48:03.000 We had just entered the atomic age.

00:48:05.000 We had barely broken the sound barrier.

00:48:08.000 And today's, compare that to today's technology, for example, the Lockheed YF-12A SR-71.

00:48:14.000 That's an aircraft that could fly at approximately Mach 5 or hypersonic, right at the lower end of hypersonic velocity.

00:48:21.000 But when it wants to take a right hand turn, takes roughly half the state of Ohio to do it.

00:48:26.000 We're seeing objects that are not just doing that speed.

00:48:29.000 But think of 10,000, 13,000 miles an hour being clocked on radar, multiple different radar systems, and it was being clocked back in the 1950s.

00:48:39.000 Now, temporally speaking, one could say, yeah, maybe we have that technology today somewhere, some country.

00:48:45.000 But if you look where we were in the 1950s, temporally speaking, it just doesn't make sense.

00:48:49.000 That would be like going into King Tut's tomb for the very first time, chiseling away that plaster wall, and all of a sudden seeing behind that wall a fully assembled 747 jet.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, I mean 1950s technology, that was like the beginning of like the F-15 era or something like that, right?

00:49:06.000 Oh yeah, before that, actually, we're talking F-105s, we're talking Sabres.

00:49:10.000 Oh yeah, maybe that means the 60s, yeah, because that's 50-year-old technology.

00:49:14.000 I'm thinking 50 years, not 1950s, but yes, 100%.

00:49:17.000 So, you know, we're talking about technology that we have been encountering over controlled U.S.

00:49:22.000 airspace, over sensitive military installations, For the greater part of 70 years that even today, we can't replicate those performance characteristics.

00:49:31.000 So back to your original question, what would that mean to our country from a national security perspective?

00:49:36.000 Let's just suspend reality for a second and just presume or assume country X over the last 70 years has perfected this technology.

00:49:46.000 Now, despite the billions of dollars that we invest each year to our intelligence community to avoid strategic surprise, despite the billions of dollars we spend each year in trying to maintain a technological advantage over our adversaries, someone somewhere was able to develop this technology, Complete secret.

00:50:05.000 And oh, by the way, deploy it without impunity over our controlled U.S.

00:50:09.000 airspace anytime they want to.

00:50:11.000 And oh, by the way, possibly, possibly interfere with our nuclear capabilities.

00:50:16.000 Now, if that was the case, this would be an intelligence failure eclipsing that of 9-11 by an order of magnitude.

00:50:26.000 Think about that for a minute.

00:50:27.000 So, yes, is it possible a foreign adversarial technology has been able to do this for the last 70, 80 years?

00:50:35.000 Yes, it is possible.

00:50:36.000 Is it likely?

00:50:38.000 Probably not.

00:50:39.000 When we were at AATIP, we had a whole list of what we call Blue Force, Red Force capabilities, our technologies, adversarial technologies, and what we are seeing are things that are performing in ways That no country on this planet has yet the ability to replicate, and that's just the bottom line.

00:50:55.000 Yeah, that's not like, you know, hey, you know, Russia or China is, you know, their scientists are over-performing us by 5 or 10 percent.

00:51:01.000 That would be, they're over-performing us by, like, you know, Einstein versus a kindergartner.

00:51:07.000 Correct.

00:51:08.000 Correct.

00:51:09.000 It's literally an order of magnitude.

00:51:11.000 That's what we call beyond next generation technology.

00:51:14.000 When we're talking national security, you have what we call near-peer adversaries.

00:51:17.000 So think Russia, China, the United States.

00:51:20.000 Near-peer means we're kind of on the same playing field, technologically speaking.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, hypersonics and stealth technology and things like that.

00:51:28.000 But we're not talking about objects that can perform three, four thousand g-force maneuvers.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, I mean, 13,000 miles an hour.

00:51:37.000 I mean, that's from New York City to California in like 12 minutes.

00:51:42.000 Yeah, correct.

00:51:43.000 And by the way, that's in low Earth atmosphere, where the friction coefficient is very, very, very, it's basically like soup.

00:51:50.000 The atmosphere is so dense.

00:51:52.000 The further you get down to the surface.

00:51:54.000 So you might expect, let's say the space shuttle, when it's reaching its orbital velocity of 17,500 miles an hour, it's doing that where there's no atmosphere, there's no friction.

00:52:06.000 Yeah.

00:52:06.000 But that's not what we're seeing here.

00:52:08.000 We're seeing objects that can do that in low Earth atmosphere environments.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, so take a step back, Luke.

00:52:15.000 Give us a little bit of your background, your CV, so to speak, so people sort of understand, you know, where you were, what you were doing, because it's sort of amazing, again, that this information really isn't out there, that we're probably not taking it more seriously.

00:52:28.000 Again, I think when we look at some of the disasters going on in the world right now, you know, I think I've had this conversation with Tucker Carlson as well.

00:52:35.000 It's almost shocking that people aren't like, This is a really big deal, like, we're like aliens, it's like, you know, or, you know, UFOs, UAPs, uh, you know, now it's like becoming common knowledge that it exists and everyone's like, ah, I got other things to worry about right now.

00:52:49.000 It feels like 15, 20 years ago, uh, that would have been like, you know, that would have led the next space race.

00:52:56.000 Well, uh, you know, I don't disagree with you.

00:52:59.000 Um, first of all, back, a little bit of background about me.

00:53:02.000 Raised in South Florida, went to University of Miami.

00:53:05.000 I studied, I went to school to be a microbiologist and immunologist.

00:53:09.000 I am a disciple of the scientific methods and principles.

00:53:12.000 Later on, I went into the army.

00:53:14.000 After college, I became a counterintelligence, basically a special agent, and then later became a civilian, a senior special agent in counterintelligence, where Basically, I investigated capital crimes, terrorism, espionage, things like that.

00:53:29.000 So I've always been a just a fax man kind of guy.

00:53:32.000 I've always been let the data speak for itself.

00:53:34.000 Never was particularly interested in science fiction or anything like that as a kid.

00:53:39.000 And it wasn't until 2009 that really my worldview changed dramatically when the U.S.

00:53:45.000 government asked me to be part of an ongoing, now I can talk about it, ongoing UFO investigation.

00:53:51.000 A program called ATIP and the program that fell under was called AUSAP, where we had some of the best and brightest scientific minds and investigators working for the US government, your taxpayer money, paying for us to investigate military encounters with UFOs.

00:54:08.000 And that's exactly what happened.

00:54:10.000 In some cases, these things came so close to our formations.

00:54:14.000 They would split a combat formation right down the middle, presenting an air safety issue.

00:54:19.000 We've had these things stalking our nuclear carrier strike groups.

00:54:23.000 This is something that is very pervasive.

00:54:25.000 It's the worst kept secret at this point, because pretty much everybody in the military knows about it.

00:54:30.000 They've encountered these things.

00:54:31.000 We have Very, very high fidelity videos.

00:54:35.000 Look, I'll be honest with you, your father was one of the first elected officials to ever publicly take this topic seriously.

00:54:41.000 And there's a lot of men and women in uniform right now that are very, very grateful for him being courageous and taking the first step.

00:54:49.000 Look, I gotta tell you, he's gonna be remembered in history very favorably for that alone.

00:54:56.000 He was the first one to actually champion this cause.

00:55:00.000 Well, I appreciate that.

00:55:01.000 And I, you know, it definitely seems like, you know, I always try to make the distinction between sort of the door kickers and the bureaucrats, right?

00:55:07.000 It seems like, you know, you came through those ranks, whether it was in the agency or whatever.

00:55:11.000 What do you see going on in those agencies?

00:55:13.000 Because I see, you know, some of the failures and or the weaponization or politicization You know, of those agencies that used to be, you know, just the facts, ma'am, uh, type of places, they're no longer just the facts.

00:55:24.000 It's like, well, you know, just the facts, unless you're, you know, a transadmiral, in which case you can just, you know, we'll give you a carrier strike group, even if, you know, you don't know anything about a boat.

00:55:33.000 Uh, you know, what do you see happening there right now?

00:55:35.000 Because that, to me, is one of the more disturbing things.

00:55:38.000 And when you talk about these ongoing threats, it doesn't seem like we're putting our best forward.

00:55:42.000 We're putting our wokest forward, uh, because for some reason there's, I guess, a Well, first of all, national security should always be apolitical, asexual, and everything else.

00:55:49.000 seems to be more important than actually facts, actual work, actual results.

00:55:56.000 What do you see there as someone who'd worked in those agencies for a long time and obviously

00:55:59.000 still takes a lot of pride in that work and in those institutions?

00:56:04.000 Well, first of all, national security should always be apolitical, asexual, and everything 1.00

00:56:10.000 else.

00:56:11.000 It should be objective and not have any type of external influences, interests pushing

00:56:17.000 you down on it.

00:56:19.000 But unfortunately, that's not the case.

00:56:20.000 And I'll tell you, I'll share a little anecdote with you.

00:56:22.000 A couple of years ago when my father passed away, I had the ability to spend some time

00:56:26.000 with him.

00:56:27.000 My father was in the Bay of Pigs invasion, the revolution.

00:56:30.000 And we came to this country in exile.

00:56:32.000 This country offered my family opportunities that no other country could or would offer,

00:56:35.000 period, full stop.

00:56:37.000 And so I was raised very, very patriotic.

00:56:39.000 And I asked my father before he passed away.

00:56:41.000 We're on a road trip I said dad And he said almost flippantly, what do you think is the greatest national security threat we're facing?

00:56:47.000 And I'm thinking to myself, maybe it's a disease, a pandemic, maybe it's terrorism.

00:56:52.000 And he looked at me and he said, son, it's corruption.

00:56:54.000 And I said, corruption?

00:56:56.000 Like financial corruption?

00:56:57.000 He said, no.

00:56:58.000 Corruption, any kind of corruption is the act where you give up a value, a personal core value you have in exchange for something else.

00:57:05.000 And when you have corruption, whether it's religious corruption, financial corruption, governmental corruption, in the government, in the bureaucracy, if you're corrupt and you're willing to give up a core value in exchange for something, you start eroding away at the very pillar of democracy.

00:57:19.000 And it's a very short slide from that to total tyranny.

00:57:23.000 And this is what drives me to do what I'm doing.

00:57:26.000 I think we need government accountability and transparency.

00:57:29.000 And I think we need to get rid of the corruptness.

00:57:32.000 When I say corrupt, I don't mean necessarily in exchange for money.

00:57:35.000 Anybody who is willing to put their own personal interests over the interests of the American people, Shouldn't be in government.

00:57:42.000 Anybody who forgets that it is your job in government to serve the people and not the other way around, if you forget that, you shouldn't be in government.

00:57:49.000 And this is the reason why I do what I do.

00:57:51.000 Because a lot of my fellow men and women in uniform feel the same way.

00:57:54.000 They've given their lives, in some cases, who are the real heroes of this country, because they never made it back, to make sure this country's values remain intact.

00:58:03.000 And that is, the government is there to serve the will of the people.

00:58:06.000 And when you have individuals in government that forget that, we've got a serious problem on our hands.

00:58:11.000 I mean, this is bigger than UFOs.

00:58:12.000 It seems like a lot of people have forgotten.

00:58:14.000 Maybe the vast majority of the people in power.

00:58:17.000 And I guess, you know, maybe they just like being in power and working in government.

00:58:21.000 You know, usually not a lot of pay.

00:58:23.000 And I guess they're trying to get on board seats to get that pay back eventually.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, and it's a shame because look, at the end of the day, this country only works because the people have faith and confidence in its institutions and its values and what it does.

00:58:36.000 And again, when you're talking about something that is coming into our airspace, I don't care what the Air Force says, I can tell you all day long that we have complete air domain awareness.

00:58:46.000 Well, how funny that is because the moment we start recalibrating our radar systems to look for UAP, what do we see?

00:58:52.000 Chinese spy balloons that have been there for God knows how long just wafting over the

00:58:56.000 northern continental United States completely unchallenged, right?

00:59:00.000 And so proof is in the pudding that we've got a serious issue on our hands.

00:59:04.000 And if you're not going to be truthful with the American people about this topic, then

00:59:08.000 what other topics are you hiding?

00:59:09.000 You know, all I have to say when people say, oh, the Pentagon never lies.

00:59:12.000 Well, unless you talk about, I don't know, Iran-Contra or the Afghanistan withdrawal

00:59:16.000 or the Pentagon papers or the Kennedy assassination.

00:59:19.000 I mean, you know, it feels like there's a long list of things they've lied to us about, you know, ranging from probably every war we've been in in the last 200 years.

00:59:26.000 But, you know, I guess, you know, if we're talking about UFOs and UAPs, first and foremost, I guess, what are the proper definitions of that?

00:59:34.000 What exactly does that mean to the average person watching?

00:59:37.000 Well, you know, we used in the vernacular the word UFO, unidentified flying object, but we realized for several reasons.

00:59:43.000 A, the term wasn't accurate, and B, there was a lot of unnecessary stigma and taboo associated with it, in large part because of Hollywood and things like that.

00:59:53.000 But the reality is, is when you say something's flying, an unidentified flying object, Let's take this battery cell phone charger.

01:00:01.000 There's four fundamental forces.

01:00:02.000 You have thrust, lift, drag, and weight.

01:00:04.000 And when you understand that, you can create wings and you create lift.

01:00:07.000 And therefore that is flying.

01:00:10.000 What we are seeing are objects that don't have those associated attributes or technologies.

01:00:14.000 They don't have wings, control surfaces, rudders, elevators, not even cockpits, right?

01:00:19.000 So, and yet we see them in our skies.

01:00:22.000 So they're probably not flying in a conventional sort of way.

01:00:25.000 Two, they're not just in our atmosphere.

01:00:28.000 They're not just flying because we see them now, we're detecting them underwater, we're detecting them in low Earth orbit, and throughout a whole range of different domains.

01:00:34.000 So the term itself isn't accurate.

01:00:36.000 And secondly, when you say UFO, again, there's that whole tinfoil hat crowd, you know, Elvis on the mothership, when in reality, we're talking about a technology that we are recording both electro-optically on gun camera footage and FLIR footage, but also being backed up by hard radar data returns from sea-based radar, airborne radar like E2 Hawkeye, SPY-1 radar, and then you have the eyewitnesses of trained observers.

01:01:03.000 These are people that can distinguish a silhouette from 10 miles away and make a determination, is it an SU-22, a MiG-25, or an F-16, and make a decision to shoot it down, right?

01:01:14.000 And when that's being backed up with the gun camera footage and the radar data, you've now got sometimes three to five separate sensor systems all recording the same thing at the same time, In the same place, under the same circumstances.

01:01:28.000 If this was, when I was a special agent, if I took this to a jury, we're well beyond reasonable doubt.

01:01:34.000 The jury would have no choice but to convict.

01:01:36.000 And yet, because we're talking about UAP, it's crickets.

01:01:40.000 I don't need to tell you when you go to, let's say, a train station or an airport, you always hear the announcements, if you see something suspicious, say something.

01:01:47.000 And yet, It's the opposite when it came to UAP.

01:01:50.000 In fact, if these things have a UAP star... And UAP stands for exactly what?

01:01:54.000 Because we understand UFO, but UAP is what?

01:01:57.000 Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon.

01:02:00.000 Because we are seeing them in multiple domains.

01:02:03.000 So, we are saying it's unidentified and it's anomalous because it doesn't fit any patterns of any normal technology that we're used to dealing with, right?

01:02:12.000 And so that's why you have unidentified, and it was unidentified aerial phenomenon, and then that was recently changed again by the government to be unidentified anomalous phenomenon to cover all the different environments and domains that we're in.

01:02:24.000 Because you're saying we're finding them underwater as well, like our submarines are detecting them, and you know, are they picking them up with sonar?

01:02:30.000 Do they, you know, does one of these objects, does it displace You know, air in the sky the way a plane would where, you know, you leave basically a turbulence wake or underwater.

01:02:41.000 There's no signatures.

01:02:42.000 There's no heat trail, no contrails, no atmospheric ionization, no friction.

01:02:50.000 Really, really bizarre.

01:02:52.000 And I'll share a story with you.

01:02:53.000 I have to be careful when we talk about underwater capabilities because that's still very sensitive for the U.S.

01:02:57.000 Government.

01:02:57.000 Let me, I'll relay to you a story.

01:02:58.000 I was talking to a boomer class submarine commander Some time ago on one of my debriefings and I said, you know, you guys detected something.

01:03:07.000 What did you detect?

01:03:08.000 He said, all I can tell you is that it was moving at about four to five hundred knots underwater and it was bigger.

01:03:15.000 than the submarine we were in.

01:03:16.000 Now think about that for a minute.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, you create a tsunami.

01:03:19.000 It's like the Empire State Building underwater, right?

01:03:23.000 They're enormous.

01:03:24.000 600 feet long.

01:03:24.000 They're huge things.

01:03:26.000 And so when I asked him, and I asked him point blank, I said, what do you do when you guys come into contact with something like that?

01:03:33.000 And man, without blinking an eye, he looked at me dead serious.

01:03:36.000 He said, Lou, we go around.

01:03:39.000 I gotta tell you, you know, I don't blame you.

01:03:41.000 Yeah, probably a smart thing to do.

01:03:44.000 I'm not gonna mess with that guy!

01:03:45.000 Whatever that is, I want no part of it.

01:03:50.000 So Lou, I guess just about every American at this point carries a 4G HD camera in their pocket.

01:03:58.000 Why don't we have any high quality iPhone footage of a UFO?

01:04:03.000 Maybe we're just not capable of picking it up in that stuff, and the stuff that you guys have is obviously much more advanced.

01:04:10.000 Believe it or not, there are some folks now that are getting some really good footage with their They're personal phones or cell phones.

01:04:17.000 But there's also people say, well, how come the three videos we see that the government released are all grainy and blurry?

01:04:22.000 Because the other stuff that's crystal clear, like you said, 4k, 8k, ultra high definition is very, very classified because we're trying to protect the sources of methods and the locations.

01:04:32.000 By which some of this data was picked up.

01:04:34.000 For example, we know that there's a connection to nuclear capabilities and nuclear technology.

01:04:39.000 We don't necessarily want to tip our hand to an adversary that, hey, we just happen to have a special capability looking at your stuff when we've all of a sudden picked up this UFO on camera.

01:04:50.000 Some of it is very, very compelling.

01:04:52.000 And this is why I was, you know, for me and a lot of my colleagues in the government, we've seen the videos.

01:04:56.000 We know, we've read the reports, right?

01:04:58.000 We've talked to the eyewitnesses.

01:05:00.000 We've seen the radar returns on this.

01:05:02.000 We know the data is there because we had it.

01:05:04.000 We want that, whatever can be released to the public, at a minimum, at least to those in Congress who have a need to know, and the president, because there have been presidents that have been kept in the dark deliberately on this topic.

01:05:14.000 Yeah, okay, so I was going to ask you about that.

01:05:16.000 Who knows what and when, because, you know, I sort of, you know, the precursor to this show, you know, just during the 2020 campaign, I did a show with my father, you know, and, you know, asked him about that.

01:05:28.000 That was the only thing I actually wanted a real, you know, hey, you know, And he sort of looked at me and laughed like it was like he just sort of blew it off.

01:05:35.000 But it seems like there's a lot more out there.

01:05:38.000 And who has the right to actually know that?

01:05:41.000 It seems like they would have probably kept him in the dark.

01:05:43.000 Maybe he was just, you know, playing coy with me.

01:05:45.000 Maybe he does actually know.

01:05:48.000 But, you know, it didn't seem like something that they were bringing to his attention for certain.

01:05:53.000 Well, that's a problem, right?

01:05:55.000 It's the same thing with, for example, the Kennedy files after 80 years.

01:06:00.000 It has outlived its shelf life for secrecy.

01:06:02.000 And all that does is create extra distrust in our government and our institutions.

01:06:08.000 This is why I think it's important we have the conversation.

01:06:11.000 There is data there.

01:06:12.000 Look, There were people who didn't know AATIP existed until we went public, right?

01:06:16.000 What does AATIP stand for?

01:06:17.000 I understand the program, but what does it stand for for people who don't know the acronym?

01:06:21.000 Sure.

01:06:21.000 Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

01:06:25.000 AATIP.

01:06:25.000 A-A-T-I-P.

01:06:27.000 And that's a perfect case in point, because we were running a program that was taxpayer dollars behind it, and no one in the executive branch knew about it, even though they had a need to know.

01:06:37.000 I couldn't even get my old friend, Jim Mattis, my Secretary of Defense, briefed in on this, because the minders around him were concerned about the topic.

01:06:45.000 We need more information.

01:06:46.000 We need to move for Fidelity.

01:06:47.000 You know, we're worried about, well, what if somebody asked Secretary Mattis, have you been briefed on this topic before?

01:06:52.000 Now he has to say yes, right?

01:06:54.000 Oh my gosh, what would that do?

01:06:55.000 So, there was a lot of issues involving this topic, and then there's a historical piece of this where, you know, maybe, I have to be careful what I say, maybe the government has gleaned some insight on how this stuff works, and maybe we don't want to tip our hand to our adversaries that, yeah, we maybe know a little bit more than we're letting on.

01:07:14.000 Talk for a second, Lou, you know, where would you think these programs should go under a second Trump administration?

01:07:19.000 Oh my gosh.

01:07:22.000 What a great question.

01:07:25.000 You know, I'm usually prepared for a lot of questions.

01:07:27.000 That's what I'm not.

01:07:28.000 Well, first of all, let me say I would never propose to say I know what's best for a president's administration.

01:07:34.000 A president's job is one of those jobs that I can't imagine the type of responsibility on anybody's shoulders.

01:07:40.000 I wouldn't want it.

01:07:42.000 And I think as long as you bring in the right people to work with you, That's a good start.

01:07:48.000 put the right people in place to ask the right questions and go to the right

01:07:51.000 organizations where we know the information is. That's a good start.

01:07:55.000 RFK, for example, has been a big supporter of transparency on the UAP

01:08:01.000 topic for a while now. And you've got other people too that have been

01:08:05.000 very supportive even behind the scenes.

01:08:08.000 I won't say their names publicly because they haven't given me permission.

01:08:11.000 But there's a lot of people, I think, who do a lot of good with this topic in the Trump administration.

01:08:16.000 You know, there were people, I'll give you an example, even this administration with Biden.

01:08:20.000 John Podesta would have been great, unfortunately.

01:08:23.000 He ran into some complications with some people on the National Security Council, but John Podesta would have been a great guy to run this effort.

01:08:30.000 It doesn't have to be a political, conservative, or liberal person.

01:08:35.000 As long as the person is a servant to the American people, remembers where their loyalty lies, and can do a good, honest, fair job, and is accountable, and is transparent, and loyalty remains with the U.S., Then I think there's a whole lot of people.

01:08:51.000 You know, you could put a chief scientist there.

01:08:53.000 There's a long laundry list of people that would do great in a new administration, I think, to lead this effort.

01:08:58.000 You have people like Admiral Tim Gallaudet or even Colonel Carl Nell, who was a colonel who was pretty much pushed out of government.

01:09:06.000 You have people like David Grouch, who was a whistleblower.

01:09:09.000 There's a lot of people that have, I think, I think they have good motivation, they're highly intelligent, and they are loyal to the American people.

01:09:20.000 And that's really what you want.

01:09:21.000 You don't need an expert in advanced aerospace technology, because we've got a lot of those.

01:09:26.000 What you need is somebody who's going to be truthful with the administration, and truthful to the American people, and hold themselves accountable.

01:09:35.000 So Lou, if you're asked at the, you know, office Christmas party, at the water cooler or, you know, at the punch bowl, are aliens real?

01:09:43.000 What, what is the answer?

01:09:47.000 I never say the word aliens.

01:09:48.000 Okay.

01:09:48.000 First and foremost, I say, we say non-human intelligence because back to your point, you said something that's very interesting.

01:09:55.000 Are they from outer space?

01:09:56.000 Are they from here?

01:09:57.000 What not?

01:09:58.000 Let me give you a little analogy very quickly.

01:10:01.000 I went to school in the medical field at University of Miami and I was taught that it was the Greeks who recognized there were two dominant life forms on this planet.

01:10:09.000 You were either a plant or you were an animal.

01:10:12.000 And human beings kind of consider themselves under the animal kingdom.

01:10:16.000 Then, during the Renaissance, about 300 years ago, we discovered this entire new form of life that's been here all along, that's neither plant nor animal, and that was the world of fungus.

01:10:25.000 And so we pat ourselves on the shoulder, and it wasn't until the last 120 years, think about this, where we had the technology to curve glass and look through a little metal tube and famously yell, little beasties, little beasties!

01:10:36.000 Did we discover the true dominant life form on this planet?

01:10:39.000 And in fact, if you add up all the biomass of every animal, all the biomass of every plant, and all the biomass of every fungus and put it all together, it still does not equal the biomass of this hidden life form that's been here all along, and that is the life form of microorganisms that are inside every human being, that compose of human beings, live on the outer skin of the ISS space station, and even live under the crushing depths of miles of ice beneath the Arctic.

01:11:07.000 Life is pervasive, and every time we think life can't exist somewhere, we're always proven wrong.

01:11:12.000 So my point being is, are these things natural to Earth?

01:11:16.000 Are they just as natural to Earth as we are, and we're finally at the point where technologically we can interact with them?

01:11:22.000 Are they from underwater?

01:11:23.000 Look, let's face it, only 10% of the ocean floor has been mapped.

01:11:27.000 We know more about the surface of the moon than we do our own oceans.

01:11:30.000 Is it possible they're from there?

01:11:32.000 Is it possible they are from outer space?

01:11:34.000 All these options have to be on the table until they're no longer on the table.

01:11:38.000 And this is why, when you asked me the question before, who do you put in charge to do that?

01:11:43.000 You need someone who is going to remain fair, objective, and open-minded to all possibilities until the data suggests otherwise.

01:11:52.000 Because at the end of the day, this is a data-driven initiative, an endeavor that we have to let the data and the science speak for itself.

01:12:01.000 Human innuendos and what I think and what I believe is irrelevant in this conversation.

01:12:06.000 What matters is what does the data suggest, and then what do the American people feel about this topic, and what do they want to do about it?

01:12:12.000 And at the end of the day, if they don't want to do anything, great!

01:12:15.000 But at least the American public had a chance to have the conversation.

01:12:19.000 I personally believe Americans can handle the truth.

01:12:22.000 Yeah, listen, I think knowledge is power.

01:12:25.000 The more we know, the better we can handle it.

01:12:27.000 So Lou, really appreciate the conversation.

01:12:30.000 Tell us where we can find the book.

01:12:31.000 Check it out.

01:12:32.000 I know there's a lot of people fascinated about it.

01:12:33.000 I see it pop up in the comments all the time.

01:12:36.000 So I'm sure I'll get a bunch.

01:12:37.000 We'll probably have to do a follow-up to get even further into the weeds here.

01:12:41.000 But let us know where we can check that out for those who are interested.

01:12:44.000 Anywhere.

01:12:45.000 Look, I don't want to plug my book.

01:12:46.000 I feel terrible after it.

01:12:47.000 No, it's OK.

01:12:47.000 We've got to get it out there.

01:12:50.000 Well, you can find it anywhere books are sold.

01:12:52.000 But if you ever want to have another conversation, it would be my honor and privilege.

01:12:55.000 Thank you to you and your wonderful audience.

01:12:57.000 Happy to do that anytime.

01:12:59.000 Really appreciate it, Lou.

01:13:00.000 Thanks a lot, guys.

01:13:00.000 I appreciate it.

01:13:01.000 Be well.

01:13:02.000 We'll see you soon.

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Inside the Pentagon’s Hunt for UFOs, Plus Why Woke is Going Broke,Interviews with Michael Seifert & Lue Elizondo | TRIGGERED Ep.176

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