In this episode of Triggered, host Jake Blumberg is joined by journalist Jack Paszak from Human Events Daily to discuss the latest in the QAnon conspiracy theories, the latest on Elon Musk, and much, much more. Plus, we have a special guest on the show to talk about the open border welfare state and the New York City Mayor's plan to send illegal immigrants to college for free. Jack is an award-winning journalist, intelligence officer, and author with a Polish and Eastern European background. He's also the host of the podcast, "Human Events Daily" and hosts the show, "The War Room" on War Room Radio, where he covers the news and politics of the world and gives us the inside scoop on what's going on in the world, and what we should be paying attention to! Today's guest is Jack Pazak, a journalist, author, and podcaster from the human events website, Human EventsDaily, who has a unique perspective on the current events happening around the world. Jack talks about the Qanoon conspiracy theories and how we should all be fighting for the truth, not just for ourselves, but for our own little bit of truth. We can't wait to hear Jack's perspective on all of it! You're gonna love this one, you're gonna want to listen to this one! - Jake's new book, "Triggered: The Conspiracy Theories." and much more, coming out soon! Jake talks about all the crazy things going on around the internet, and how it's all over the past few years, and why we need to be paying for real, honest, and fair and fair information about it. - and why it's so much more than just the truth we can't have it all, right? - the truth is more important than we should have it right here, not less than we need it right now. Jake's book, right here and here, right in front of us, right now! . Jake, Jake, thank you for listening to it? - thank you, Jake! - Jake, we're listening to you, and we're making it, Jake's gonna make it, not here, and you're getting it, baby! , right here! Thank you, baby - thanks, Jake is listening, right, right away, and yes indeed, we'll get it, and more!
00:01:48.000Jack has a really unique perspective on the world.
00:01:51.000He's an intelligence officer, a journalist, someone from Poland
00:01:56.000with an Eastern European background, so perhaps understands a little bit.
00:02:00.000Perhaps like I do with my Czech background.
00:02:01.000And we'll talk a lot about that and sort of the mentality of, you know, the guys like Putin and the Ukraine and what we're up against and how it ever ends.
00:02:10.000Because I promise you guys, the people with pronouns in their bios and 9,476 genders that they believe in probably cannot put themselves in the minds of A guy like a Putin.
00:02:23.000And if you can't do that, we're going to have some serious problems.
00:02:27.000But before we get to the interview with Jack, we got to talk about some of today's top headlines.
00:02:34.000You saw, again, the fact checkers with Elon Musk talking about The QAnon shaman.
00:02:41.00041 months in prison for a non-violent offense when there is now video, which would seemingly be exculpatory video, except for perhaps not in DC, of him being led around the Capitol, not doing anything violent.
00:02:54.000That compares to like the zero months that the looting, rioters, arsonists, and even probably a few of the murderers got during the 2020 Summer of Love.
00:03:05.000Just so we understand exactly How crazy it is.
00:03:09.000We've seen even some of the Republicans like Mitch McConnell come out against the video because we don't want to believe our lying eyes.
00:03:19.000Our open border welfare state is alive and well and it's being promoted by New York City Mayor Adams, who wants to now send illegal immigrants to college for free.
00:03:34.000As we understand, there's no free programs.
00:03:36.000They're government-funded programs paid for by your taxpayer dollars.
00:03:42.000So not only do you get to pay for your kids to go to college or yourself to go to college, you get to pay for other people to go to college for free.
00:03:51.000I mean, we all understood what was going on during the student loan fiasco.
00:03:57.000And, you know, I'm watching all these people who didn't want to pay for their student loans.
00:04:01.000They wanted that covered by the government, which is, of course, again, you.
00:04:04.000I mean, think about it. They're not willing to pay for their own education or their, in many cases, worthless degrees.
00:04:12.000It wasn't good enough for them to pay for it, but they want you to pay for it.
00:04:16.000So again, who's going to fit the bill?
00:04:19.000The taxpayer. And it's an estimated cost of $1.2 million and counting because you know it's getting a lot bigger.
00:04:25.000But according to the New York Post, Adams plans to provide as many as 100 illegal immigrants with 12 months of classes, room and board in upstate Sullivan County.
00:04:35.000And the project could continue indefinitely.
00:04:41.000It will only encourage more people to come here illegally.
00:04:44.000to get on these programs and these systems that, again, you get to pay for.
00:04:48.000So it's not like we're doing well in education as a country, right?
00:04:51.000We're like 28th in the world, but we're going to put more people who aren't paying into the system.
00:04:57.000There's going to be no consequence to that.
00:04:59.000We're going to keep charging good, hardworking Americans to pay for their kids and yours and theirs and everyone that's illegal, and it's never going to end.
00:05:09.000Now it's just another example of the never-ending welfare system being created by Democrats for people who aren't even citizens in our country.
00:06:56.000And I don't think Joe Biden does either, but it's in there and it's in there a lot.
00:07:00.000But border security, that's only mentioned eight times, and there's little or nothing to actually stop the crisis that's going on at our border, whether it's the fentanyl scourge coming across, killing tens of thousands of Americans a year.
00:07:16.000Whether it's the human trafficking crisis, the child sex trafficking crisis, the drugs, the murder, the mayhem, and of course I'm sure it's the welcome to terrorists and everyone else across the world to come here and get on our programs and hate our guts and you know, minor details like that. Think about what a fiscal atrocity this all is.
00:07:40.000Higher taxes, no cuts would be a disaster for this economy, but they don't care.
00:07:46.000They're more than happy to pay for votes by spending your hard-earned money to buy them.
00:07:53.000Now, thankfully, hopefully, the budget will hit a dead end in the House.
00:07:57.000Kevin McCarthy's already said some of this stuff is insane, but he's only got a slim majority.
00:08:02.000So we have to be vocal and we have to be loud and make sure that people just understand how ridiculous all of this is.
00:08:12.000And now, according to the LA Times, folks...
00:08:47.000Air is racist because everything is racist.
00:08:51.000Or climate change. And since they're talking about pollution, they can have racism and climate change in one, which is like the holy grail of leftist insanity.
00:09:21.000Driving and the air we breathe is now racist because everything is and everything has a freaking excuse.
00:09:30.000And it never ends. So we're now going to head over to Jack Posobiec.
00:09:35.000We're going to talk a lot about Ukraine, the never ending war, how it ends, the mentality of that.
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00:13:59.000And this is why Coke used to, I don't know anymore, but they used to have all the Americana, Santa Claus, that was in, whereas Pepsi was going for that, like, oh, we're cool, we're hip, we're going to try to grab on some of that market.
00:14:12.000But Coke always dominates them, and even though They're one of the oldest, you know, ever since you actually had cocaine in the cans, they've been constantly out there.
00:14:21.000We're going to bring that back? We should bring that back.
00:14:23.000I think we should bring that back. I figured, hey, they always say that, you know, I'm an impassioned guy.
00:15:23.000And something with like, obviously, okay, so the gun document, right?
00:15:28.000The ATF documentation, are you on drugs while purchasing this gun or on this firearm?
00:15:34.000Or have you ever, you know, used drugs recently?
00:15:37.000No. That documentation that they had, they would just match that day one with it because that's one of those things in- What about disposing of a handgun in a garbage can across from a high school?
00:15:49.000And then the girlfriend throws it out to try to get her away from it.
00:15:52.000Now in Maryland, would she even be able to have possession of that gun legally?
00:15:55.000I know that in New York State where I used to be from, well, I'm just saying there's states, I don't know Delaware law specifically, but New York State where I was from, if I show up to a range with my handgun, you can't even touch my gun at the range to play with it if you don't have a concealed weapons permit.
00:16:10.000Because I know that in some of these states, Because I'm Pennsylvania originally, but if you go into Jersey, for example, so if I want to go to New Jersey, and let's say my buddy wants to go shooting, and we're going to go to a shooting range, I can't even have, it can't be loaded, the magazine has to be out, I have to go straight to the gun range, and then I can't go to his house afterwards.
00:16:33.000I can't go to his house and have some food.
00:16:38.000Yeah, I'd have a problem with some of these things.
00:16:39.000Yeah, a little bit. I think, look, obviously one of your biggest issues, and probably that of the people who watch this, you know, just putting together everything that's going on.
00:16:49.000You know, on War Room, you talk about it a lot.
00:16:51.000On Real America's Voice, you talk about it.
00:17:16.000And yet, we're branded those things for even saying it.
00:17:18.000It's a very simple idea of taking the people that were born in this country, that are citizens of this country, putting their interests ahead of everybody else.
00:18:05.000Like, example, I think, a bad lesson that a lot of people took from, they say, Trumpism.
00:18:10.000And they think Trumpism just means doing normal Republican stuff with swagger.
00:18:17.000You know, it's like, I'm going to spit a toothpick in your face while I cut taxes or take more money from China or sign more deals with the CCP. No, no, no, no.
00:18:27.000No, it's actually doing it. No, it's actually doing it.
00:18:29.000It's actually caring. And this is why when you look at going to East Palestine versus being in Ukraine is just so...
00:18:48.000Honestly, I was. I was. We should be fucking disgusted.
00:18:50.000I couldn't believe... You know, and then Buttigieg is taking some more personal time because the months he took off during the midst of a supply chain crisis with 300, that wasn't enough.
00:19:08.000Which is a town that's not supposed to matter, a town that nobody cares about, a town where their jobs got shipped overseas by Republicans and Democrats.
00:19:17.000Their American dream got shipped overseas.
00:19:19.000Their American dream. It wasn't even the jobs.
00:19:20.000It was everything they loved our country for was like, fuck you guys, we're sending it abroad.
00:19:27.000And then, and by the way, and look, I'm from Pennsylvania, you know, you go out to some of those towns that are just across the border, and These are the families that they join the military, they go to church, they work the jobs that nobody else wants to do.
00:19:41.000It's like that scene in Fight Club, right?
00:19:43.000know, we cook your food, we watch you while you sleep. And all of these other
00:19:48.000people just take, totally take advantage of them, totally take advantage of them.
00:19:52.000So when I think about America first, I just, I try to lay it out for people
00:19:57.000because there were certain issues in the 2015 to 2016 campaign that I think that
00:20:04.000Trump totally just grabbed onto that nobody else was talking about.
00:20:10.000Obviously, number one was immigration, right?
00:20:14.000But it's not just illegal immigration.
00:20:16.000It's this idea of we're going to replace...
00:20:18.000Remember all those stories about the workers at Disney having to train their own replacements that are coming in at H-1B? Silicon Valley having to train the replacements.
00:20:26.000And just crushing... Crushing the lifeblood of our country.
00:20:31.000Right. You know, again, the people you would think would be like, oh yeah, we got to put them first.
00:20:34.000You know, the billionaire class, they're fine.
00:21:04.000Screw their opinion. It doesn't actually matter.
00:21:06.000This is what we're going to do to win, because it's really more about power than it is actually satisfying.
00:21:11.000It's the most cynical, nihilistic thing you've ever heard.
00:21:14.000But that being said, and I say this to a lot of Republicans, and I get a lot of guff for saying it, and people don't like it when I say it.
00:21:21.000Look, if ballot harvesting is legal, then we've got to do that in every single state where it's legal.
00:22:17.000Even though the left-leaning parts of those people are confused, and yet, so I'm all for those things, but we are the biggest idiots in the world if we think we're going to get there by not playing the game the way they are.
00:22:30.000They're like, hey, we've lost the American people.
00:22:32.000Joe Biden's out there saying, hey, it's shocking.
00:22:35.000Republicans are voting for, blue-collar workers are voting Republican.
00:22:39.000Who would have thought that? Because you don't do anything.
00:22:41.000It's not that hard to fathom, but they're like, it doesn't matter.
00:22:45.000We'll just figure out another way to game the system.
00:22:47.000So policy, the candidates, none of that matters if you can't win.
00:22:51.000We want those things. We want same-day paper ballots with IDs, yada, yada, yada.
00:23:12.000What's up, Scott? Scott, you're the man.
00:23:13.000We'll have you on eventually, too, buddy.
00:23:15.000And, you know, here live at CPAC. And that...
00:23:20.000You need to maintain that and protect it for everything that it's worth.
00:23:24.000A lot of red states are like that, but there's also red states that have early voting, they have ballot harvesting, and I want to break the box because when you look at California, there were pastors out there in Orange County, which is nominally a red county, where they said, okay, fine, if you're allowed to have drop boxes, they found out that there's actually written into California law a provision for what they call temporary drop boxes.
00:23:47.000What's a temporary dropbox, you might add?
00:23:48.000Well, that's a collection point where people can drop off their ballots and then it's then taken to one of the official dropboxes.
00:23:55.000Okay, great. So the pastor said, well, that's wonderful.
00:23:57.000I'll just throw that in the back of my church.
00:23:59.000And then they'll try to revoke their 501 status.
00:24:01.000They tried to revoke them. They tried to sue.
00:24:06.000They tried to use every legal tool under the sun.
00:24:09.000But here's the problem. The way they had written the laws for their guys protected everything that the churches were doing.
00:24:16.000Because let's think about it. Churches have always been, historically, voting centers in the United States going back to the start of voting in the United States.
00:24:26.000Back home in Pennsylvania, I think I've only ever voted...
00:24:28.000Actually, my first where we used to live was like a high school gym, but then the next one, it was always churches for years.
00:24:36.000So the idea that a church couldn't do that, it's insane.
00:24:39.000And so they don't want the right doing this.
00:24:43.000But why is even the turnout, whether it's the evangelical community, still surprisingly low when their big thing is either life or religious liberty, both of which are literally facing perhaps the largest assault.
00:24:57.000down your door because you're too pro-life in front of your eight children
00:25:02.000in by the way suburban Philadelphia if they're willing to do that there then I
00:25:08.000guarantee you they're willing to do it everywhere and I say this as a Catholic
00:25:11.000when I hear that they're making lists of Catholic churches that are a little bit
00:25:16.000too Catholic for their taste. Those are extremists but but the guy that has racial rants on
00:25:22.000his Facebook page and runs through a Christmas parade.
00:25:26.000Thank you so much for bringing that up. Well, the car...
00:26:26.000Of course you wouldn't. It's actually an IQ test.
00:26:29.000What are you, an idiot? They're not worth it.
00:26:32.000They're not that good. Meanwhile, we don't even talk about all of the refugees that came over from Afghanistan, the ones that did come out during that debacle.
00:26:41.000And how many Skittles got through there?
00:27:29.000Actually, those biometric scanners, some of them, because obviously the internet latency and connectivity in Afghanistan is not so good, that what they would have is preloaded lists of our informants, of people who are cleared to work on base, you know, CCNs.
00:27:47.000Why would you help the US? And then you would...
00:27:49.000Why would you ever help the U.S. if this is the way we treat those who've been helping us for 20 years in a war?
00:27:56.000It comes down to money. Because people think I can get off in the middle there.
00:28:01.000And actually a story we broke on Human Events today is that I've got the pitch deck Of everyone's favorite colonel, I know your favorite colonel, certainly my favorite colonel, Alexander Vindman, the chow thief himself.
00:28:15.000Did you know that he set up a defense contracting company?
00:28:18.000Of course he did. Of course, because of course he did.
00:28:20.000I mean, I'm not even, I'm distressed, but I'm not even surprised.
00:28:23.000Right, so we got his whole pitch deck.
00:28:25.000He's going to pitch the Ukrainian government on logistics and maintenance for his Trident support, is what they're calling it.
00:28:31.000Even though he's an army guy, he's calling it Trident.
00:28:33.000So he and his brother, they set up a defense contractor.
00:28:35.000They're petitioning the Ukrainian military for contracts.
00:29:12.000That guy lied about everything, started an impeachment, basically.
00:29:15.000Tried suing me, and that's thrown out in about two seconds because it's bullshit.
00:29:19.000But again, when you have the full force weight of big tech, Mainstream media, the Democrat Party, their willingness to basically go total scorched earth while Republicans, oh, I don't want to offend anyone.
00:29:47.000And two years later, they're laughing their ass off to the bank.
00:29:50.000This is what they're doing with Wuhan now. So they made all the money on Wuhan on the front end by saying, oh no, this wasn't China.
00:29:56.000This wasn't the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:29:58.000And now Chris Ray is like, okay, it was China.
00:30:01.000But the reason that we couldn't say it was because Trump said it, and now The View is out there today, Jimmy Kimmel is out there, and they say Trump screwed it all up, and they're trying to get just a little bit more blood out of that stone by saying it was Trump's fault.
00:30:16.000Trump said what everyone with a brain knew.
00:30:21.000It didn't come from the lab that we've been funding that we know is studying the exact virus in question that leaked in the town where it originated.
00:30:28.000It came from five feet outside that lab.
00:30:57.000You were asking me before about the tenets of MAGO, the tenets of America First, because it's not just a slogan.
00:31:04.000It actually means you have to put these things first.
00:31:07.000So when I look at the supply chains, when I look at the issues that we have where we're just totally in bed with the CCP, and we have been for 30 years at this point, when Tiananmen Square happened, We easily could have said, you know what, I'm done.
00:31:21.000Not doing any more business with these guys, but that's not what happened.
00:31:24.000The Bush family went over there, and they said, all right, you guys can stay in power, but here's how the deal's going to work.
00:31:29.000You're going to be the manufacturers of the world.
00:31:37.000We'll send you the IP. So Apple will send over their products.
00:31:41.000You guys build it for us, and then we'll make the money on the back end.
00:31:44.000And forget about middle America, because who cares about them anyway?
00:31:46.000And like any other drug, we got hooked.
00:31:48.000Okay. And we got hooked. And once we got hooked, then they gained all the control.
00:31:53.000Exactly. And now it's like, maybe if we have all the factories, if we have all the supply chains, if we have the assembly lines, maybe we actually have the power and you guys are the ones working for us, not the other way around.
00:32:06.000Because what are they doing? They're unleashing TikTok, they're unleashing fentanyl, they're unleashing everything they can into our society on the back end.
00:32:13.000Yeah. Or, I mean, TikTok is the most flagrant.
00:32:17.000What your kid does as an idiot 13-year-old will eventually be weaponized against them in 20 years if they amount to anything.
00:32:53.000And again, it was sort of a spoiled kid place in the middle of a town that was experiencing exactly the problems from those policies.
00:33:01.000And for folks who don't know, it's right next to Allentown.
00:33:03.000Yeah. It's, you know, but I loved it there.
00:33:05.000I learned a lot. It's a big part of my initial political leanings because I saw, like, what happened.
00:33:10.000I go, wow, these are great people. I grew up with them.
00:33:11.000Half the, you know, half people were local.
00:33:13.000We went to school together. And you go there, and you see the rundown factories, and you see the policies now, as I'm a little bit older, that got us there where we shipped it all to China for the benefit of, you know, that establishment billionaire class.
00:33:24.000That was all steel country. That was all steel country.
00:33:55.000So immigration, border and immigration, trade, and then just foreign Just foreign policy in general, which is tied to trade, obviously.
00:34:02.000So this sense that, are we going to run around the world trying to nation-build in Afghanistan, trying to nation-build in Iraq, knock over Libya for some reason, and now we're doing the exact same thing in Ukraine, because we have to defeat Vladimir Putin, because if we don't fight him there, we'll have to fight him here.
00:34:22.000And that Zelensky said, and I got a lot of trouble this week because my team, when they came to me, they said, you know, we can do these deepfakes of Joe Biden.
00:34:33.000Do a deepfake of Biden, but we'll say it's like a year from now, and let's do a sneak peek into where things are going because I can read the tea leaves.
00:34:40.000And we made a deepfake of Biden, and we put all the disclaimers on it.
00:35:13.000People are all mad at me for doing it.
00:35:14.000But look, I'm starting a conversation.
00:35:17.000And then what happens the very next day?
00:35:19.000Zelensky comes out and says, well, if Russia isn't defeated now, your sons and daughters are going to be coming out.
00:35:24.000The context, they'll try to say, well, if you go into the rest of NATO, and I don't think Russia's going to do that.
00:35:29.000But, I mean, let's talk Ukraine, because you and I are going to have...
00:35:31.000But that's his point. His point is to say that if Russia is going to continue forward, and it was the same thing I heard for 20 years in Afghanistan, that if we're not here fighting the Taliban, we're going to be fighting here.
00:35:46.000Not one of these things has worked out the way we've told, and yet we're going to keep believing it.
00:35:51.000We have to stop Vietnam because communism is going to spread.
00:35:55.000Guess what? Vietnam became a communist country, right?
00:35:59.000But last time I checked, the United States did not fall because of that.
00:36:02.000They're actually balancing out a little bit of China because even the Chinese are now pissed off that the Vietnamese are undercutting their manufacturing capabilities to the price.
00:36:10.000So it's actually creating tension despite the fact that...
00:36:12.000Right, and Vietnam's hated China for a long time.
00:36:14.000China ruled there for a thousand years in, you know, a long, long time ago.
00:36:19.000And so the Vietnamese, no love lost there.
00:36:22.000So finally Americans, and I actually, when I was in the military, did some work there training with the Vietnamese military, Vietnamese Navy, in fact, to say, hey, wait a minute, you know, we hate China too.
00:36:32.000That's interesting. So it's like we never actually think beyond step one in any of these things.
00:36:39.000So let's talk about that, right? I think I opened up the show talking about some of the similarities we have.
00:36:44.000We're both also from Eastern European descent, right?
00:36:47.000That's right. I spent a lot of my time growing up in what was then communist Czechoslovakia.
00:36:52.000You know, my grandfather was, you know, old school Eastern European.
00:36:55.000So I want to talk about that mentality.
00:37:40.000I'm like, I literally had no idea what that even meant.
00:37:42.000Yeah. Let alone like, and it was like, holy crap.
00:37:45.000So you were already causing trouble. So I was already causing trouble.
00:37:47.000Good. But then I also... To the communists.
00:37:49.000Yeah. Yes, I have a long tradition now.
00:37:52.000Very on brand, very on brand. But, you know, my grandfather, also old school kind of guy, like, I'm the guy that went, you know, if we got bread and milk, like, still like, literally aluminum, you know, glass milk jars and bread and whole loaves and stuff, I was the guy that went to the stores.
00:38:08.000I've seen what it's like. And it's always interesting watching all these people glorify communism, socialism, who've never actually experienced it.
00:38:14.000They have no clue. So you and I share that in common.
00:38:17.000It also started my political leanings, because I saw what the institution of communism did to people who were intelligent people, hardworking, or would have been had it made a difference.
00:38:26.000Right. If you start to question the system, And if you're smart enough to understand that there's problems and you start speaking about that, they're pulling you out of line, all right, and you ain't going back.
00:38:42.000In my mom's wedding picture to my dad, I remember seeing it on the wall of my parents.
00:38:46.000I was like, well, my grandfather's there, but why is my grandmother not there?
00:38:50.000And the answer is they wouldn't let both of them out of the country.
00:38:52.000They'd let my grandfather out of the country to walk his daughter down the aisle.
00:38:56.000But they wouldn't let both because they knew no one's coming back.
00:39:00.000I mean, if there is sort of a better analogy for how bad a system is that you won't let people out because you know they're not coming back, it seems like an exemplary fail.
00:39:08.000We've talked about that with my kids, about maybe doing summers.
00:39:13.000When they're a little older, my oldest is four, he'll be five.
00:39:16.000So we're thinking kind of on that cusp, not sure yet.
00:39:40.000But there's still that mentality, right?
00:39:44.000Like my grandfather, you see the stuff, he'd be like, you're kidding me with this bullshit, right?
00:39:48.000Right. So we're talking about a war in Ukraine and we're trying to implement the...
00:39:54.000Recent American, like, everyone wins participation medal, everyone's so welcoming of everything, like, that doesn't exist there.
00:40:01.000No. So, you know, someone once said about some issues, this was actually talking about a guy that's a big conservationist, talking about, you know, the stuff that was going on in Africa with, like, American, you know, NGOs going in there, and he's like, you can't solve third-world problems with first-world solutions.
00:40:15.000That's correct. We're trying to do that in Ukraine, but we can't do it because we can't even put ourselves into the mindset of what are they thinking there.
00:40:22.000So I want to hear your take on Ukraine, because I think it's probably far more informed than anything we've been taking.
00:40:27.000So, I mean, and to your point, it's exactly right.
00:40:32.000It's a traditional culture, extremely traditional.
00:40:37.000You know, nobody's asking you your pronouns anywhere east of Berlin, you know.
00:40:43.000What? You know, with that stuff, but when you look at just even the refugee crisis, and I mentioned my wife Tanya, so she's got friends, and people don't understand the connectivity of this area, because if you're from Russia, Ukraine, or Belarus, up until like 30 years ago, that was all one country.
00:41:02.000100%. Right? And so you've got people that are like, well, which are you?
00:41:05.000And it's like, well, my dad's from here, my mom's from here, and I grew up here.
00:41:09.00050% certainly isn't related to Crimea.
00:41:12.000Yeah. Like, more than 50% sort of, we'll use the word identified, but they actually, like, genetically, there's a lineage that, like, they're like, I'm fine with Russia being here.
00:41:20.000And Crimea was part of Russia going all the way back, by the way, longer than the United States has existed as a country.
00:41:28.000There's some history there. You know, all of U.S. history is, like, on the shelf compared to this.
00:41:33.000So, We're meddling in affairs that go back, and by the way, Afghanistan was the same deal.
00:41:38.000Afghanistan was thousands of years, right?
00:41:40.000With this, you'd say at least hundreds of years, if not more than that.
00:41:44.000And so it really strikes across a lot of different families, and suddenly these new borders pop up, and oh, you're this now, which never existed, and you're this, and you're that.
00:41:58.0002014. Also, the addition is that, oh, we have to hate those guys now, even though, wait, but our grandfathers all fought the Germans together.
00:42:08.000What do you mean? We have to hate them.
00:42:10.000And so, just one of these stories that my wife heard from one of her Ukrainian girlfriends, who did flee, is now in France.
00:42:20.000All the men have to stay back, because under martial law, the men are not allowed to leave.
00:42:25.000And he may not even know this, I don't know if they're able to talk, but his wife and daughter over in France right now, guess what kind of classes their eight-year-old daughter is being forced to take?
00:42:37.000And this mother says, wait a minute, so you're taking the children out of Ukraine, you're sending them to Western Europe, now you're re-educating them with all the gender insanity.
00:42:47.000If you're fighting for your nationhood, that is how you lose nationhood very quickly.
00:42:52.000That is how... But is that part of the objective?
00:42:54.000When you look at sort of the globalists and you look at their agenda, I mean...
00:42:58.000It may not be the purpose of all of it, but it certainly seems like a great byproduct that's not exactly upsetting anyone at the WEF and Davos.
00:43:08.000It's an interesting question that you tend to see these things in tandem.
00:43:14.000I personally think, if you press me on it, I'd say that they will find whatever piece of political, radicalized It's an agitprop that they can use in any country to their advantage.
00:43:32.000So if you're in a traditional country, you would talk about LGBT rights.
00:43:36.000If you're going to a country that has an oppressed minority, then you would take them and say, like Syria, they always talk about the Kurds, right?
00:43:44.000And Iraq as well. We have to fight for the Kurds.
00:43:46.000We have to fight for the Kurds. So that's why, because Assad is bad to the Kurds, then we have to overtake Assad.
00:43:53.000It worked out again. It worked out so well in Libya.
00:43:58.000I'm not saying these guys are angels, don't get me wrong, but are they better off now?
00:44:02.000They'll find any reason to have to push this.
00:44:06.000Now, whether that's the real reason or whether that's just a convenient excuse, that's a hard question.
00:44:10.000But then, of course, we've also got, they use this as well in democratic countries.
00:44:15.000They're hungry right now and Samantha Power from USAID is going over.
00:44:18.000They don't like Viktor Orban and they don't like his politics because he's an actual conservative.
00:44:23.000And so they're going over and saying, well, we need to support LGBT rights and we need to do this.
00:44:27.000And he signed laws saying that you can't have, you know, this propaganda in children's content the same way that Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida, that, you know, other countries have done to say, hey, we don't want this for kids.
00:44:39.000And suddenly, suddenly this is a priority of the national government that we're putting into our...
00:45:18.000Antifa gets activated. What we saw here in the United States in 2020 was a textbook color revolution.
00:45:25.000And I think people need to understand that this is the same type of stuff that we see getting knocked over in other countries that's been done again and again.
00:45:33.000We're just not used to seeing it in our own shores.
00:45:34.000Yeah. So we talked a little bit about, you know, obviously the personality of the people, not understanding it there, but how about talking about the personality and that Eastern European mentality mindset with the leaders?
00:45:45.000You know, I mean, is a guy like Putin, we're not saying he's a good guy, we're not saying anything, but understanding that Eastern European mindset and a leader like that, like, he's not going to lose face.
00:45:56.000He would rather start a nuclear war than lose face on a world set.
00:46:03.000Last week, they literally said, well, the UN's now going to allow, or NATO's going to allow Ukraine, and I go, wait, wait, wait.
00:46:11.000You're going to take the biggest bargaining chip, arguably, at least the excuse for the beginning of this war, you're just going to take it off the table and you're talking about peace with a straight face?
00:46:24.000The golden goose and be like, yeah, that's off the table.
00:46:26.000We're still going to come up with peace.
00:46:27.000Meanwhile, what NATO country is going to vote for a country to join that currently has an invasion with a nuclear power in their country as a member?
00:46:38.000No, the people won't want it, but the people in power, there's still money.
00:46:41.000That's what I said. I mean, this war ain't stopping until the money stops.
00:47:29.000What's the difference between Russia and Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan, Libya and all those countries that we just talked about?
00:47:33.000Oh, they have nuclear weapons, 6,000 of them.
00:47:35.000More of them than we have, as a matter of fact.
00:47:37.000And they're probably not afraid to lose them.
00:47:40.000And when you lose that face, again, going back to that attitude, it changes things.
00:47:43.000I will say that, in my opinion, and I'm no military scholar, but you were an intelligence guy in the military.
00:47:49.000What Russia did in Ukraine is probably one of the great underperforms in modern military history, meaning everyone was like, oh, that'll be over in two weeks.
00:47:57.000Now, they're fighting a proxy war with the U.S. We've spent $130 billion to make sure that it's at least a little bit close.
00:48:04.000It seems like every time Russia wins, it's like, well, that's not a strategic win.
00:48:07.000Every time Ukraine takes out a tank, it's a huge victory for Ukraine.
00:48:11.000Or then you get the, you know, don't forget the pilots, you know, the ghost of Kiev who took out 50 Russian fighters in one day and the guy who took out 100 tanks all by himself, you know.
00:48:24.000Even aside from the propaganda, it seems like an underperformance on the Russia side.
00:48:29.000But I think in terms of the mind of a megalomania of Putin, that changed into the thing because he's not going to lose.
00:48:35.000So when we were there, so we traveled into Ukraine.
00:48:40.000We went down to Nikolai. We weren't just hanging out in the West.
00:48:42.000We went in. We rode the train all the way down into southern Ukraine, down to the Black Sea, put my hand in the Black Sea, brought home a bottle full of sand from the beach there.
00:48:53.000I've been there myself. I saw a sign that probably wasn't there when you were there, because it said, don't go on the beach, there are landmines.
00:49:02.000That's a little different. That's a little different, yeah.
00:49:03.000By the way, that was a big summering area for Russians.
00:49:07.000It still is. That's where they went to summer.
00:49:10.000Right, because that's their beach. It's like a beach town.
00:49:29.000What I realized going in was that the way Russia is approaching this fight is different than how they would fight in, say, Chechnya or in Syria against ISIS. They're not just trying to level everything because I do think that it is a you-break-it-you-bought-it kind of situation where they want to maintain some kind of influence After the war, as opposed to just going in, wiping out everybody, and then coming back.
00:49:58.000Whether or not they're going to achieve that, I don't know.
00:50:00.000I mean, listen, you saw that in sort of the fake Joe Biden press conference 10 days ago, where it's like, wow, I don't know.
00:50:06.000You mean the presidential palace is still standing?
00:50:08.000It looked pretty good. They did the obligatory fake air raid sirens to make it seem, like, let's create urgency because we need a couple hundred billion dollars.
00:50:14.000You've been, for the last, what, six, seven years, surrounded by Secret Service constantly.
00:50:46.000That's the point where if you've got Secret Service, and you know better than me, that they would take the protectee and they don't even talk to you.
00:50:54.000They're grabbing you, and you're in the back of the truck, and you're gone.
00:50:57.000You're just gone. There's no question about it.
00:51:00.000And then, of course, it came out afterwards that, well, of course we called Putin first.
00:51:05.000They asked his permission. By the way, I'd go a step further, and I think...
00:51:09.000I would say that every single foreign leader before they go to Kiev to meet with Zelensky or whatever they're doing there probably makes that same courtesy call.
00:51:19.000And probably most of Hollywood who's there for the obligatory photo op.
00:51:21.000Absolutely. Like, hey listen, we're there for the photo op.
00:51:25.000When you look at the situation writ large, you have to ask ourselves, what is our strategic goal here?
00:51:32.000What exactly is it that we need out of this situation?
00:51:36.000Because I'm sure you could go around to Washington, D.C. or any major city in the United States, and I'd say, can you point to Bakhmut on a map?
00:51:45.000Can you tell me where, you know, Liman or Lichichansk or one of these cities, Donbass?
00:51:52.000Most of them couldn't even find Ukraine.
00:51:54.000Right. I saw a skid the other night on one of the stations and it was like, half the people were pointing to Australia.
00:52:00.000I mean, Russia is by landmass the largest country in the world.
00:52:04.000It shouldn't be that hard to find on a map.
00:52:05.000And it's a neighboring nation. They invaded with tanks.
00:52:07.000It's got to be right there on that edge.
00:52:09.000It's not that hard. But we don't even know.
00:52:12.000The actual danger is getting back to why I made that video, and I 100% stand by that video, is to make a point that if we are going to continue escalating, In this conflict with the Russians, certainly at a time, and you're exactly right, at a time where the Kremlin does not want to lose face, does not want to look like they obviously...
00:52:39.000I mean, Putin has put his entire legacy on the line with this.
00:52:44.000And it's like... And he's no longer at war with Ukraine.
00:52:47.000In my opinion, and I've been pretty consistent on my feelings about Ukraine, very contrary to even a lot of Republicans from the last few years.
00:52:52.000More than any Republican that I can even think of, maybe even more than your dad, have just been so outspoken on this.
00:53:42.000It'll keep going because, again, you don't get that board seat and the sort of golden paycheck that comes with it if you're not perpetuating these things.
00:53:50.000This is why Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex because it creates a false set of incentives for people to go around.
00:54:00.000Washington said it in his farewell address as well.
00:54:02.000We shouldn't go around the world looking for monsters.
00:54:08.000But if we go around searching for wars of adventure, and this is something when people come in and they say, you know, why are you supporting Trump?
00:54:20.000Do you understand how if we get into World War III, With a nuclear power, whether it be Russia or China.
00:54:28.000None of it matters. None of that other stuff.
00:54:31.000Not this issue and oh I didn't like that tweet and I didn't like this.
00:54:35.000It's all bullshit. It's because I'm terrified of what would happen to my kids, what would happen to my family, what would happen to, and by the way, I'm sure just like you, I still have a family that live in the region, that what could happen to them if They are called up, or they are being in harm's way.
00:54:52.000And you say, why do I support the one guy in the world that is saying, let's put down the weapons and talk?
00:55:00.000Well, that was the guy, when they were weaponizing it, that was the guy that was going to get us into World War III. Right, exactly.
00:55:04.000I mean, Trump was going to get us into World War III. Crazy rhetoric.
00:55:07.000Not the guy that's, oh, the one I don't even understand fully.
00:55:10.000And again, I take some of this stuff a little bit more personally, because I look at the Hunter-Don Jr.
00:55:13.000comparisons, I'm like, no one's even asking the question, If we've spent $130 billion in Ukraine, because maybe Ukraine has something on Joe, on Hunter.
00:55:26.000I mean, given where the smoke is there, are we making foreign policy decisions to cover up criminal acts of the first family and or just ludicrous kickback schemes?
00:55:38.000I think everybody looks at the laptop in the wrong way.
00:55:43.000Hunter Biden's laptop was his personal laptop.
00:55:47.000Now, let's say that you're a criminal, let's say that you're a drug user, that you're taking money hand over fist from these countries.
00:55:54.000Would you be saving all of that information on your personal laptop?
00:55:58.000What I ask, Jack, I go, for the most part.
00:56:00.000Imagine, imagine if we just step back.
00:56:03.000Imagine the shit that Hunter was like, You know what?
00:56:08.000Right. Right. You know, I'm not going to film this one.
00:56:10.000Don't record this. If that was all game, like, smoking crack with prostitutes, talking about the Russian mob having one of his laptops, because it feels like every enemy that we're at conflict with has a Hunter laptop.
00:56:20.000This is known. No one's asked the question, like, hey, man, could we be, like, on the brink of World War III to cover up 10% for the big guy?
00:56:30.000Or cover up a job that this guy had no business ever having?
00:56:33.000I don't understand. If this laptop was the dossier that Hunter Biden had on himself, right?
00:56:42.000Now imagine the dossier that the Ukrainians, the Russians, and the Chinese have on Hunter Biden, and the Biden family at large.
00:56:54.000The media is broken. I mean, we've seen that, whether it's Twitter, every week, COVID response, Twitter, Russia, Russia, Russia.
00:57:17.000When's there an accountability? You know, it's like when I see Chris Ray right now and suddenly he comes out, well, you know that Wuhan thing?
00:57:26.000You guys were right about that all along.
00:57:30.000So, now that you see that Republicans have taken control of the House, And that Kevin McCarthy is there and that we do actually have Jim Jordan, I believe was just on, has the weaponization committee and is actually looking for it.
00:57:43.000I hear that he's adding new teeth to that, which I think is great.
00:57:46.000I think a lot of people, when it first started, were saying, okay, like we remember Trey Gowdy, we remember Fast and Furious, we remember Benghazi.
00:57:51.000Well, we know they're going to slow roll us. They're going to try to run out the clock and hope that they win an election and be able to put it to an end.
00:57:56.000Precisely. So what is the reckoning? The reckoning is the ballot box or the drop box, if it has to be the drop, whatever it is.
00:58:51.000It's harder to go in every door in Philadelphia, knock on the door, be like, sure, you can't name who's there.
00:58:56.000Sure, John Fetterman's a vegetable, but like, give us your ballot, we'll take care of you.
00:58:59.000Well, Pennsylvania, by the way, to point that out, and I'll just say while I'm on here, I think, and I say this as from Pennsylvania, so I'm biased, but, you know, we're called the Keystone State for a reason, and you realize in 2024, there's a good chance now that because of Fetterman's health issues that, so Bob Casey, he's the current serving senator there, he's got a great name because of his dad, etc., everybody thinks it's him.
00:59:20.000He may not be running. He's up for election, but he may not actually run again.
00:59:24.000He's turning 70. Fetterman's got health issues.
00:59:28.000If the current Governor Shapiro, if he were to appoint, he can only appoint until 24.
00:59:33.000They'd still have to have a special. You could have the balance of the Senate, two Senate seats, Plus, the presidential, all those electoral votes up in one state.
00:59:44.000And that's why when I hear these people come to me and they say, you know, I don't like the ballot harvesting.
01:00:23.000Again, I don't think there's an endgame other than money, but how do we get out of there, especially if we're pulling off the biggest bargaining chips like NATO bringing in Ukraine?
01:00:32.000I think it's, look, when Barack Obama left the White House, there's this story that when When he spoke with Trump and he wrote that letter for Trump, he said the number one threat to him in the world.
01:00:45.000Remember, this is 2016. He didn't say Russia.
01:00:47.000He did not say Russia. He said North Korea, North Korea.
01:00:50.000My dad had that conversation when he was like, really?
01:00:52.000And he figured that out pretty quickly.
01:01:49.000But my personal favorite part of that Was this idea that when he sat down with them, that Trump went to the State Department and created...
01:01:58.000Remember the video? He made the video where they took footage from, like, Miami Vice, and he said, you know...
01:02:05.000You've got this great coastline here in North Korea.
01:02:08.000I see the map. You've got all this coastline.
01:02:09.000What if we had some high-rises, some hotels?
01:02:13.000They had like the cigar speedboats running around with the 80s.
01:02:17.000And he knew that Kim was a huge movie guy, this movie buff, and he appealed to this.
01:02:22.000I said, nobody in government is going to look at North Korea and see a business opportunity, but it takes a Trump to go over there and say, beachfront property, baby.
01:03:17.000You've got to cobble together a new deal for Ukraine and whether or not that deal is, you
01:03:26.000know, includes all of Ukraine, whether it includes parts of Ukraine, the majority of
01:03:30.000Ukraine, that, you know, those are all going to be the hard lines for everybody.
01:03:33.000I think. But, you know, I think there's a story, too, that Naftali Bennett, who was, you know, he was the prime minister temporarily of Israel.
01:03:42.000He said he said one month into the war, That he had spoken to Zelensky and spoken to Putin and said they had come to an agreement that if they just signed over Donbas and signed over Crimea, that they would pull out all the troops.
01:04:59.000I grew up there. So the word Ukraine literally means the borderlands.
01:05:03.000So we have a no man's land that's been a border.
01:05:06.000And we start saying, knowing full well that Russia and Putin don't want that, and they don't want NATO moving 500 miles closer, approximately, to their borders.
01:05:16.000NATO, which by the way, includes Germany, which is like their ancient enemy.
01:05:22.000Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Who wants us to pay for their protection against Russia while simultaneously enriching Russia with a pipeline because it's a little bit more convenient for them.
01:05:30.000But screw the American taxpayer, they'll just pay for it.
01:05:33.000Of course. And that Germany won't not only not contribute, but they wouldn't contribute what they agreed to contribute in writing.
01:05:38.000That became a problem. It wasn't like we were asking above and beyond.
01:05:40.000Another thing that Trump did that doesn't get enough credit.
01:07:26.000Jim Jordan was on here earlier. What's, in your opinion, what's theater for the American people versus what's really going to happen?
01:07:35.000And how do we get or put enough pressure on even the Republican side to make sure we actually get somewhere, that the swamp doesn't just put the brakes and stonewall?
01:07:45.000Because a lot of guys, you know, they'll come out and, look what we're doing, and it's like, okay, we're letting them run out the clock, and it looks like we're doing something.
01:07:51.000What's the difference between the theater and what's really happening?
01:07:53.000And how do we put enough pressure on our own people to make sure they don't allow the theater to give them credit to absolve them from actually doing what they know needs to be done?
01:08:05.000You've absolutely got to hold our side accountable.
01:08:07.000So the success of a strong lobbying organization does not...
01:08:17.000Depend on your influence with the other side.
01:08:21.000Because you don't have any influence there.
01:08:23.000I can't make the Democrats do something.
01:08:25.000We pretend. If they love us, maybe they'll vote with us.
01:08:28.000They're always like, no, no, it's a bipartisan thing in the Senate.
01:08:31.000I go, no, no, no. It's bipartisan when you need something from Republicans, Democrats.
01:08:35.000When Democrats did it, it's like, screw you guys. Mitt Romney doesn't count, by the way.
01:08:37.000Mitt Romney doesn't count. I saw that when they brought me back for the second time to Senate intel.
01:08:41.000Right. Richard Burr, I'm so sorry, but it's a bipartisan committee.
01:08:44.000I go, like, when is it ever bipartisan where we actually wanted to get something done?
01:08:47.000Now, if Warner's able to steamroll you because you're a weakling, like, good on them.
01:08:52.000I get it. Like, but we pretend that it's bipartisan, but it's only bipartisan.
01:09:36.000That's why you need people like Darren Beattie involved.
01:09:39.000So this weaponization committee, all these committees, what would have been done What would have been done at Twitter if Elon Musk didn't exist?
01:09:47.000Or if he didn't decide to spend $44 billion of his own money to do that?
01:09:53.000I saw the big bump right when they took over, but I feel like I'm back to Twitter 1.0.
01:09:58.000My engagement is worse now than it was before he took over.
01:10:06.000Elon Musk did. So we're not always going to have this deus ex machina kind of figure just swoop in and fix everything, magic wand, abracadabra, right?
01:10:16.000That you actually do need to find ways to be able to pin these people down.
01:10:21.000And I don't want to just play whack-a-mole, like, okay, Fauci's leaving, so he's done.
01:10:25.000Great, we got Fauci. How many people did Fauci train?
01:11:25.000They're not being allowed to even do that.
01:11:26.000Through the level of training and Quantico and all the insanity you have to do to become a special agent.
01:11:31.000You don't want to go after some guy who got into a bar fight, basically.
01:11:35.000You want to go after the baddest of the bad.
01:11:38.000And by the way, when you talk about some of these meth gangs, these biker gangs out there, these serious stuff, they're going to say somebody with a MAGA hat, somebody with a CPAC attendee, a Turning Point member, is an extremist or something.
01:11:53.000No, there are actual extremists out there, and they will tear your face off.
01:11:57.000Those are the guys... Actually getting away with it.
01:12:00.000I mean, that's the worst headline ever.
01:12:01.000And so they all get away while they focus on people like us.
01:12:06.000They knew it was a problem, but they were too busy focused on your grandmother who wore a MAGA hat somewhere within 500 miles of Washington, D.C. on January 6th.
01:12:12.000Right. We're coming into 24, hard to believe we've got some time, but we're going into that cycle.
01:12:20.000What are the issues that aren't getting enough attention?
01:12:26.000The things that could sway an election, but that no one's actually talking about because it's either unpopular, uncouth, or just people don't get it even though it's brewing under the surface.
01:12:35.000I feel like you have a good pulse of the people.
01:12:37.000I think you do a good job with that at War Room.
01:12:39.000I think you do it at Human Events. You're tackling these things.
01:12:41.000What are the ones, you know, a year ago I would have said the trans thing and it blew up into this craziness, right?
01:12:47.000That wasn't a thing like two years ago.
01:12:48.000What's funny for me actually, because my background was as a China guy.
01:12:52.000I mean, I lived in China, I speak Mandarin.
01:12:58.000It's so strange for me to be in the situation.
01:13:00.000You're too busy being a Russia apologist that they can't call you a Chinese sympathist.
01:13:03.000Right, right, right. They'll get there soon enough, I'm sure, Jake.
01:13:06.000It's so strange to me, though, that for all those years when I was in the intel community just beating the drum, saying, these guys are eating our lunch, they're building islands, they're buying aircraft carriers from Ukraine, by the way.
01:13:21.000Of course they are. We probably gave them to Ukraine and China will buy them for 10 cities.
01:13:26.000It was like the Soviet deal, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:29.000They got them left over, and they built that up, stealing all of our technology.
01:13:33.000They're doing all of these things, and they say, well, you know, we just want, just don't worry about it.
01:13:41.000The islands are bigger. Now they're putting weapons on the islands, sir.
01:13:44.000We're going to write a letter, you know?
01:13:46.000And so I appreciate the fact that I feel like we've finally had some traction on the CCP, that after 15 years of looking at these guys, That, you know, and raising the warning that people actually do care about it.
01:13:58.000I don't think the answer is war there.
01:13:59.000I think the answer is decoupling, though.
01:14:01.000Yeah. And I put that back into the America First bucket.
01:14:04.000I don't think we'd win a war right now, unfortunately.
01:14:06.000I don't know that we would. We may have the technology.
01:14:07.000It would be very bad. They got numbers.
01:14:09.000They have resolve. You know, they're actually focused on winning wars.
01:14:13.000They have something called moral clarity.
01:14:16.000They believe in what they say. I may not like what they do or how they get there or whatever, but they know where they want to be and they have an objective.
01:14:20.000We're sitting there. You know, we want to learn about white rage, something that no one's ever heard of before it was mentioned.
01:14:25.000You know, our Secretary of State can get up during the Afghan withdrawal.
01:14:28.000Hey, we'll let you know if we're coming over.
01:14:29.000Yeah, we'll give you a call. Give the call.
01:14:31.000Don't worry. Or our Secretary of State, you know, we're shocked and dismayed that the Taliban didn't install a more diverse and inclusive...
01:14:39.000I go, like, did they think they were going to get, like, Leah Thomas to be, like, the trans-representative of the Taliban government?
01:14:44.000Like, I'm like... They're not serious people.
01:14:47.000You just say that on a world stage, you don't understand what's going on.
01:14:52.000It goes back to what you said earlier, that we take our World view, and we assume that everyone has the same world view, that everybody looks at everything the same way we do, that, you know, that Russian, that Chinese person, they can't believe that because we know that they really think like we do.
01:15:58.000You know, and then 2019 happens, and Xi Jinping comes along and says, I want all of it.
01:16:04.000And then all of the protests are going on, the insanity is happening, and then suddenly COVID... Well, by the way, that's what no one talks about.
01:16:11.000It's like how COVID conveniently shut down one of the great sort of, you know, organic, you know, revolutions that was sort of going on.
01:16:18.000Now, I'd say this one gets, and I don't even think it's conspiratorial, but I had an interesting conversation a couple of years ago with Palmer Luckey, who found an Oculus and like big, young kid, but billionaire, great guy.
01:16:29.000And Ginger. Yeah. And he was talking about He was talking about AI. And he goes, the scariest part of AI is throughout history, if you were being oppressed, like you could start a little bit of a revolution and you could get people and you could build up a critical mass to be able to make a difference.
01:16:43.000Now with AI, the second one person steps out of line, they got you, they pick you out, you're gone, you disappear in a ditch somewhere forever.
01:18:10.000Why do you think pharma came out so hard, right, the way they did, went for Biden so big?
01:18:15.000Because where are all the pharmaceutical precursors made?
01:18:18.000It's all in China. Well, it's scary in and of itself, right?
01:18:21.000We could talk... Yeah, yeah, excellent.
01:18:24.000Like, literally, the antibiotics are all made there for us.
01:18:27.000Like, you think if we're at war, like, we're going to get it, but we can't manufacture it here in America.
01:18:31.000Same thing with the whole green energy debate.
01:18:33.000Like, they have child slave labor mining cobalt and lithium in...
01:18:40.000I mean, conditions that you wouldn't fit for any human.
01:18:44.000And we're like, no, this is wonderful.
01:18:46.000This is the way. But we can't put, like, a hardworking American roughneck to work in an oil field to do it under environmental scrutiny, under standards, to create jobs, productivity, energy independence here.
01:19:00.000They're a great company, and they sub out the ESG component to another company, so their scores are unaffected and wonderful.
01:19:07.000Meanwhile, they're essentially creating child labor and slave labor throughout the world.
01:19:11.000I'm like, I don't understand. This piece, and people come at me sometimes, and they say, well, if you're America First God, why do you talk about China so much?
01:19:17.000It's because you don't understand the situation.
01:19:20.000It's because of the relationship with China that the elites have gotten so much power.
01:19:26.000This is also, by the way, and it's the same deal when you look at Ukraine to an extent,
01:19:30.000because we've been playing, there's so much funny money in the system, which goes all
01:19:33.000the way back to 2008, that they've just been hitting that Federal Reserve pump.
01:19:38.000And that's something where like, Libertarians and the Thomas Massis and the Ron Paul guys,
01:19:45.000I have a libertarian streak with that stuff myself.
01:19:47.000All this money money has been pumped through the system that people are looking for ways to wash it over.
01:19:51.000So a place like Libya or Afghanistan or Ukraine, perfect opportunity because all of a sudden you're going to put in your reconstruction loans and your development loans and your IMF and your World Bank and all of that's going to go in.
01:20:05.000The billionaires get rich in the Americas.
01:20:07.000And they're all going to keep getting richer.
01:20:08.000And then the people of East Palestine They get nothing.
01:20:11.000Meanwhile, East Palestine, last time, I have to go check the exact map on this, that's very close to the Marcellus shale find.
01:20:20.000And so you look at those fracking jobs that could come online, they're starting to come online, where for the fracking, the trucking, the secondary industries that come off of that, I mean, you want to actually bring it back.
01:20:31.000We can't have those people not dependent on government, because if they're not dependent on government, you know, they won't.
01:20:35.000Won't vote for Democrats and they won't perpetuate that cycle.
01:21:47.000It's all going to their buddies and BlackRock and Blackstone are using it to buy up all the houses and Bill Gates is buying up all the farmlands.
01:21:52.000Well, now the banks don't want to lend to regular home buyers because they know their exit is actually buying up all the homes and then renting it to them forever because they don't want that independence, that home ownership.
01:22:03.000Or energy independence or anything else.
01:22:05.000Which, by the way, there's a name for that type of system.
01:22:08.000It's called serfdom. It's actually an old kind of system.
01:22:14.000It's an old system called serfdom. So when I look at stuff like that, when I look at China, and then the other one that I look at, too, to go back to immigration, is this idea that we're talking about family formation, we're talking about home ownership, as you just said, when we're talking about the American worker being able to get back on their job, those roughnecks, whoever it is. If you're constantly bringing in low-skilled labor and high-skilled labor, guess what kind of effect that has on wages?
01:23:00.000Go ahead, kids. It's like Michael Crichton had a line, you know, wet streets cause rain.
01:23:05.000You know, it's like, no, no, no, no, poverty causes crime.
01:23:08.000It's like, no, backwards. You're looking at it backwards.
01:23:11.000There is a causal effect here, but it's the exact opposite of what you're saying.
01:23:15.000That high immigration, the more competition...
01:23:17.000Supply and demand. It's just basic supply and demand.
01:23:20.000It's as simple as that, man. Well, Jack, I think we're running out of time.
01:23:23.000Unfortunately, we had to do a bunch of other stuff.
01:23:25.000Of course. But we're going to have to have you back on because I think these are conversations that have to be had in long form to get into the details.
01:23:31.000And it was just awesome having you on as always, buddy.
01:23:33.000Appreciate it, man. Thank you. Talk to you.
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01:23:38.000I thought it was awesome. Really an interesting perspective.
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