Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) introduces the Save America Act, which could change the way our election system is run and run in the future. Plus, another act of trans violence in Rhode Island, and more!
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00:13:57.000It's why I keep saying that the stakes have never been higher to actually make sure we fulfill the America First agenda because people's safety and security is on the line.
00:14:09.000And that starts and ends with actual election integrity.
00:14:14.000So before we get to Senator Mike Lee, let's briefly talk about the Save America Act because Senator Lee has been on an absolute tear this week and he's not slowing down.
00:14:27.000He's been fighting for election integrity for years.
00:16:06.000Get on the floor, stand at that podium, talk.
00:16:10.000Explain to the American people why you think it's a bad idea to make sure only citizens are voting in our elections.
00:16:17.000Explain why showing a photo ID, something you need to buy cold medicine in some cases, to open a bank account, to get on an airplane, is somehow too much to ask before you cast a ballot for the leader of the free world.
00:16:33.000Because Chucky Schumer actually used to sing a very different tune.
00:16:37.000Once again, guys, here's a trip down memory lane.
00:16:56.000All over where we go, people say, well, why can't you stop illegal immigrants or others from coming here?
00:17:05.000And the number one answer we give our constituents is when they come here, they can get jobs, get benefits against the law because of fraud.
00:17:15.000So as I said, the stakes have never been higher.
00:17:18.000We have to fix this insanity if we want to save our country and if we want to save Western civilization.
00:17:25.000Guys, joining me now, Utah Senator Mike Lee.
00:17:28.000Mike, great to have you back on the show.
00:17:32.000So, Senator, you co-authored the original Save Act, and it's now been upgraded to the Save America Act.
00:17:38.000I like that as an act of branding, but with now actual voter ID provisions.
00:17:44.000Can you walk us through the process and what made you and my father say that we really need to get this done and it matters more now than ever before?
00:17:54.000Yeah, so as far as the bill itself, what gave the impetus for this was the realization that a few things had happened over the years.
00:18:06.000So back in 1993, Congress passed a law called the National Voter Registration Act, the NVRA, sometimes it's called the motor voter law.
00:18:14.000It allows people to register to vote and do so while applying for a driver's license.
00:18:21.000You go in, you check a box, and you sign your name certifying that you're eligible to vote, and boom, you're registered.
00:18:31.000The courts subsequently interpreted that statute wrongly but conclusively as prohibiting the states from engaging in any kind of effort after the fact to make sure that the person is in fact eligible to vote, that they're actually citizens.
00:18:47.000Now, it's an absurd interpretation, but it's also final.
00:19:03.000You got 19 of those states freely issuing driver's licenses even to known non and known illegal immigrants.
00:19:12.000And then the worst part about it is that we had this horrible period between 2021 and 2025 when you had 10 to 15 million people coming into this country illegally.
00:19:21.000Any one of those at any time could go in, apply for a driver's license, and just by checking a box and signing their name, they can certify that they are eligible to vote, including that they're citizens, which they're not.
00:19:32.000And bingo, they've got full voting rights as if they were U.S. citizens, even though they are not.
00:19:41.000About three or four weeks ago, the president made the suggestion, which I agreed with and with my House counterpart sponsor, Chip Roy, agreed with.
00:19:55.000He said, look, you need to rebrand it as the Save America Act because it's descriptive.
00:20:04.000And you need to add a voter ID requirement, which was an easy thing to add because Chip and I from the very beginning did everything that we could to explore that possibility.
00:20:15.000We concluded we were advised by some people it might make it harder to pass it together if we had those lumped together.
00:20:21.000But the president's suggestion was a good one.
00:20:23.000We added it and now we've got 50 sponsors in the Senate.
00:20:29.000We've just got to get it on the floor now and we've got to enforce the talking filibuster to get it passed.
00:20:33.000So yeah, now that you have the 50 Senate co-sponsors, including Susan Collins, actually, that's sort of a welcome change.
00:20:40.000It means you can pass the motion to proceed with the vice president there to break the tie.
00:20:46.000How hard was it to get to that number?
00:20:49.000And what were those conversations like to get these lawmakers on board?
00:20:55.000You know, we were in good shape a few weeks ago.
00:20:59.000I think we had, I think there were 50 of us on board before we made the name change.
00:21:06.000It only, it took us two to three weeks between the time that we filed the Save America Act with the new provision added in.
00:21:16.000It takes naturally some time to migrate all those same people who sponsored it before to get them on the new bill to make sure that they support the same thing.
00:21:26.000We had to iron out some language that created some unfortunate ambiguities, but that's fixed now in order to get those people on.
00:21:34.000And I had to make the case to them that this is legislation they could still support.
00:21:39.000The fact that we were able to do that in only two or three weeks was itself a welcome surprise.
00:21:45.000It's somewhat unusual that you can do it that quickly, but it was a great thing.
00:21:48.000The heavier lift now is going to be getting it on the floor, getting it on the floor soon.
00:21:53.000And most importantly, getting Senate Republicans, especially the Senate Republican leader, on board with the idea of enforcing the talking filibuster.
00:22:02.000Yeah, so you've been very vocal about what you call the zombie filibuster, where Democrats can block a bill without ever having to set foot on the floor of the Senate.
00:22:12.000Normally you'd have to get up there and you could have to speak for 24 hours and drone on and everything like that.
00:22:19.000It's like, well, we don't have to show up to work and actually do the job.
00:22:21.000We can just not show up and we can end it that way.
00:22:25.000Explain to our audience how that works and why the talking filibuster is the way to beat it, because I don't think people realize they can just not show up.
00:22:37.000And more importantly, then also not have a real record of them opposing such common sense legislation, which I think we want.
00:22:46.000So the word filibuster, when used in the context of the United States Senate, typically refers to the tradition reinforced by the Senate rules since the Senate came into existence in 1789.
00:23:01.000It refers to the ability of each senator to continue debating and to a slim minority of all senators to be able to continue debate as long as they want, theoretically into infinity.
00:23:15.000For the first 130 years of the Republic, roughly, that was the rule.
00:23:24.000Starting in 1917, the Senate adopted a process known as cloture, where a supermajority of senators could shut down debate if they chose to do so.
00:23:35.000Originally, it was three-fourths starting in 1917.
00:23:38.000A few decades later, they changed it to two-thirds.
00:23:41.000A few decades after that, they changed it to three-fifths, where it stands now.
00:23:44.000So that's why it takes 60 votes to bring debate to a close.
00:23:48.000But there is still another way to bring debate to a close so that you can pass it.
00:23:53.000Remember, passage still is by a simple majority vote.
00:24:17.000Because what's happened over the last few decades, John, is that you've got senators who are able to engage in what I call the zombie filibuster.
00:24:26.000They have the benefits of filibustering, where they prolong debate, they delay.
00:24:31.000They have the benefits of it, but they don't actually have to speak.
00:24:35.000In fact, they don't even have to be in the Senate chamber.
00:24:37.000They can be back in their office taking a nap, for that matter.
00:25:07.000They shouldn't get the benefits of the filibuster without doing the work of the filibuster, especially whereas here we've got an issue that's like 85% supported by the American people.
00:25:17.000And we can't let them get away with this.
00:25:19.000We need to make them work for it on this one.
00:25:21.000So more broadly, Mike, just to confirm, the zombie filibuster, these are just traditions.
00:25:40.000It's just traditions that have started, I guess, to make their lives easier, but actually probably negate or defeat the purpose of the original intention of the idea.
00:25:50.000And in this circumstance, the more faithful application of the rules, I mean, I know the American people don't sit at home worrying about whether the Senate rules or traditions are being faithfully observed, but here, this is actually consistent with the Senate rules and with what the Senate traditions long were before we started allowing the zombie filibuster to rule the day.
00:26:14.000The zombie filibuster thing works really well in some circumstances, but it works especially well if you don't want to have to work that hard when you oppose a bill.
00:26:24.000I think we need to reinvigorate the Senate.
00:26:26.000So if the talking filibuster is enforced, Chuck Schumer and the Democrats would have to physically stand up there on the Senate floor and explain specifically why they oppose requiring proof of citizenship to vote.
00:26:40.000Do you think they can actually sustain that argument in front of the American people, especially as you mentioned, with 80, 85% of the people saying this makes total sense?
00:26:50.000Do you think they can do that for any real length of time?
00:26:54.000I think they could do it for a length of time.
00:26:57.000I don't think they could do it in perpetuity.
00:26:59.000I don't think they would want to do it terribly long, more than a few days or a few weeks at the most.
00:27:08.000Because again, this is something the American people support.
00:27:12.000I mean, you and I were not alive, but the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when it was opposed, the Senate made members get up and actually speak in response to it.
00:27:26.000And over time, they realized that public opinion wasn't with them.
00:27:32.000And over time, they relented, those opposing it after, you know, it did take a significant amount of time, but they got there.
00:27:40.000And I think in this circumstance, we would end up passing it because they would realize that the American people weren't buying their frivolous arguments.
00:27:49.000Because right now, Don, look at the arguments they're throwing up against this thing.
00:28:04.000Something like 75% of black Americans support this.
00:28:09.000Something like 73, 74% of all Democratic voters support this.
00:28:14.000Among Republicans, it's more like 90% and it averages out to 83, 84%.
00:28:20.000So these arguments don't work because they're ridiculous.
00:28:23.000They have nothing to do with Jim Crow.
00:28:26.000And if these things are Jim Crow, do you know what else is Jim Crow?
00:28:29.000The Oscars the Grammys, the Super Bowl, and the Democratic National Convention.
00:28:36.000Because Don, to show up and participate at the Democratic National Convention, you got to show photo ID and you've got to prove that you have a right to be there and to participate in the DNC.
00:28:46.000This is an absurd argument they're raising.
00:28:49.000Well, Leader Thune, Republican, has said there's no commitments on the talking filibuster and that it could tie up the floor for weeks.
00:28:57.000He's talking about the opportunity cost, really.
00:28:59.000I guess, you know, the farm bill, sanctions bill, other priorities.
00:29:03.000You know, what's your message to Leader Thune and to senators who are hesitant about using up that floor time?
00:29:08.000I've had this conversation with Leader Thune many, many times, and I'll restate what I've told him here.
00:29:15.000If you're looking at opportunity cost, you've got to examine both sides of that coin.
00:29:29.000But the opportunity cost on the other side is unacceptably high.
00:29:32.000The opportunity cost of not doing this makes this an absurd thing to even consider not doing it.
00:29:43.000Because if we don't do it, we leave our election system vulnerable to foreign manipulation, to fraud, whether domestically or from sources outside the United States or a combination of both.
00:30:13.000This is malpractice for us not to take this up and pass it by whatever means necessary.
00:30:18.000And here we've got a mechanism by which we can comply with every Senate rule with all of the best traditions of the Senate and get this thing passed.
00:30:28.000All it takes is time and effort on our side, and it's time and effort well spent.
00:30:32.000Yeah, I mean, Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, but not shockingly, came out against the bill among some of the other usual suspects.
00:30:39.000What's your message to those who are standing in the way, especially a Republican?
00:30:44.000Look, we have since the dawn of the Republic recognized that in order for the vote to matter, in order to protect the right to vote, you've got to make sure that people who are not entitled to vote don't.
00:31:04.000There's this old expression that if everyone's family, no one is.
00:31:09.000And you can extrapolate that here to an entire nation.
00:31:12.000If everyone is an American citizen, then no one is, especially when we've gone through periods of open border policies, as we have in recent years, where in a short period of time, we let in 10 to 15 million people who don't belong here.
00:31:26.000It's possible now to get a driver's license in almost every state as a non-citizen and in 19 states, even if you're a known illegal immigrant.
00:31:35.000And when the NVR makes it this easy, for somebody to go in and just by filling out a form, I want to apply for a driver's license.
00:31:42.000You check a box, you sign your name, that's it.
00:31:45.000You're going to have a lot of people registering to vote, whether intentionally to commit fraud or otherwise, becoming registered voters who don't belong in our voter rolls.
00:31:54.000That cheapens your vote and my vote and that of every single American voter.
00:32:14.000It's against party lines, but we're going to break those party lines and, I don't know, maybe represent the people we're there to represent.
00:32:21.000No Senate Democrat has come out yet to say that they would support this bill.
00:32:27.000That said, a couple of things to keep in mind.
00:32:29.000Number one, I believe three Democrats in the House of Representatives ended up voting for it.
00:32:35.000I'm stunned that it was that low, but still there were some Democrats who did that.
00:32:39.000Number two, my colleague John Fetterman, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, has indicated that voter ID requirements are not unreasonable.
00:32:48.000He has yet to come out in support of this bill.
00:32:50.000Number three, I believe that there are probably more votes than John Fetterman that could be gotten on this if we actually put it on the floor.
00:32:59.000They may or may not be enough to get us to 60, but I think over time, as they have to stand there on the floor of the Senate and defend their position and speak in order to prolong debate, in order to forestall passage of this thing, I think we find more converts because their position is not defensible.
00:33:18.000Yeah, I mean, Democrats claim that over 21 million Americans lack the documents this bill would require, particularly married women with name changes, low-income voters and minorities.
00:33:28.000Again, they're calling it the new Jim Crow.
00:33:30.000But can you separate fact from fiction in all of this?
00:33:35.000Because, I mean, you need a voter, you need an ID to do pretty much anything these days.
00:33:42.000You would think doing it one time to be able to register to vote doesn't seem all that complicated.
00:33:53.000You need a photo ID to board a plane for a lot of bank transactions to withdraw money from an account.
00:34:00.000I mean, the list goes on and on about things that we accept that you have to do this.
00:34:04.000And it's not just with the commercial world.
00:34:07.000It's also to interact with government agencies, whether it's the Social Security Office or to buy a hunting license or to buy a phishing license to apply for welfare benefits.
00:34:20.000So if this is Jim Crow, so are all these things.
00:34:24.000Now, Don, as to the more specific question about this bill, this is one of the best arguments against what the Democrats are saying, which is absurd anyway.
00:34:34.000But one of the best arguments there is, even if you were prepared to call all those things from TSA to Social Security, welfare benefits, all these other interactions, even if you were to call all those Jim Crow, you'd be crazy, by the way, to call them that.
00:35:01.000Even if you were to accept all of that, You still would have to ignore the fact that this bill makes it far easier to prove who you are.
00:35:11.000Even if you're someone who doesn't have those documents, maybe you never had them to begin with.
00:35:14.000Maybe you had them, but your house burned down, your dog ate them, whatever.
00:35:19.000You don't have time or money to go through the effort to replace them.
00:35:23.000There's still other ways by which you can prove your identity here.
00:35:26.000This makes it so much easier than any other system that I'm aware of to prove your identity if you lack documentation.
00:35:33.000If nothing else, you can do it by affidavit.
00:35:36.000You can, by personal attestation, describe who you are and then allow the state receiving your voter registry forms to ascertain the validity of them on its own and put the burden on them.
00:35:55.000By the way, every American, I left out one key parallel that makes the Democrats' arguments that much more absurd.
00:36:02.000You know, every time you start a new job with a new employer as an employee, every single time, every American citizen has to fill out an I-9 form.
00:36:13.000The I-9 form requires very specific documentation.
00:36:16.000I believe it's typically a combination of either a U.S. passport, which a lot of people don't have, or if you don't have a passport, then I think it's an original certified copy of your birth certificate and your social security card.
00:36:29.000But it's a very rigid set of documents you have got to produce.
00:36:35.000This has far more flexible options than that has.
00:36:38.000So you would have to call all employers and the U.S. government forms that you have to fill out when you start new employment, Jim Crow as well.
00:37:17.000The Democrats now in Virginia and Maryland, they're gerrymandering, you know, states that are, you know, their Democrat majority, but it could be, you know, 52, 48, 53, 47.
00:37:30.000And yet they want to basically have almost the entire congressional map being there led by Democrats.
00:37:39.000This seems like it's a big part of it.
00:37:41.000Can that happen in a reasonable timeframe to make sure that people can actually vote in these elections and get it done right to make sure that they don't have the extra boosting of all the illegals that you and I believe were voting in the last few elections?
00:37:57.000And one of the things that I'm most worried about is getting in place well in advance of any elections so that you don't have a flood of new registrants with all the talk about the Save America Act.
00:38:10.000If we don't actually do it now, you could see a flood of people registering for the first time who don't have any business registering to vote because they're not citizens.
00:39:08.000I told my colleagues that before we left.
00:39:11.000If the Democrats want to defund DHS, they darn well ought to be required to stay, not leave the country, abandon their plans until they're willing to give us a reasonable path to getting it funded.
00:39:24.000But I hope as soon thereafter as possible, we'll take it up and force the talking filibuster and get this thing passed.
00:39:31.000So if this bill were to die in the Senate, what does that mean for the 2026 midterms and for election integrity in general going forward?
00:39:38.000And, you know, what do you say to Americans who are watching this fight and wondering if Washington will ever actually secure our elections?
00:39:53.000This ship may not pass this way again.
00:39:55.000If we don't do this, I believe we are jeopardizing the majority that we have in the Senate, the majority that Republicans have in the House.
00:40:04.000And we don't want to do either of those things.
00:40:28.000But we can avoid a lot of that nonsense if we get this thing passed.
00:40:33.000If we don't, I really do think that we lose majorities for multiple reasons, not just for the opportunities for fraud that that opens up, but also what it does to our own base.
00:40:46.000You know, we've got to rely on our own voting base, our most loyal, faithful, firm-believing voters.
00:40:52.000And I'm hearing from people all over my state and across the country.
00:40:55.000If you guys don't get this, a lot of us aren't going to show up in November.
00:41:38.000There's people that don't pay attention to this stuff, like maybe people watching this show, or you and I.
00:41:44.000But I imagine from the Democrat perspective, part of it is about making sure this doesn't happen simply to demoralize that base and make sure it doesn't happen.
00:41:52.000I know I spoke to my father on President's Day just to wish him a happy President's Day.
00:41:57.000Now that he's 79, I'm like, you know what?
00:41:58.000I'd rather call you on President's Day than your birthday because the birthday call is a little bit more depressing once you get up in there into those years.
00:42:13.000And I've spoken to the president many times over the last few months about this issue specifically.
00:42:22.000I talked to him for a couple of hours a week ago, Friday, in the Oval Office.
00:42:28.000I called him immediately after the House passed the Save America Act last week.
00:42:36.000And we had a great conversation about it.
00:42:37.000And I encouraged him to keep up the talk, keep up the encouragement for us to do this, which he has done as recently as yesterday when he was on Air Force One.
00:42:48.000So I'm so grateful for President Trump's help with this.
00:42:53.000He's been an indispensable force as he is with so many other things.
00:42:58.000And with his help, I think we can get the courage that we need out of Senate Republicans.
00:43:05.000Even if we were dealing with a lack of courage here, even if we were just talking about people acting out of fear alone, it's not the best place to act.
00:43:14.000But even for those who are operating from a position of fear, what they should fear is not passing this.
00:43:21.000And we're guaranteed that we won't pass it if we don't try this.
00:43:25.000So that's the message we've got to continue to send.
00:43:29.000Senate Republicans, don't mess this up.
00:44:06.000There is some case precedent, but there's nothing that inhibits us from acting.
00:44:11.000There is precedent that backs up our authority to prescribe needful rules and regulations concerning federal elections.
00:44:20.000Article 1, Section 4 of the Constitution makes that pretty clear.
00:44:25.000And for those, this is another amusing argument that some people will occasionally throw out.
00:44:30.000And you're starting to see it from some Democrats who will throw out federalism and just say, well, we don't want Congress to take over elections.
00:44:39.000You know, the irony in that is that the impetus for this whole project, the whole reason why it became necessary was because of an existing federal law, of an interpretive error made by the courts in construing an existing federal law.
00:44:56.000This is an effort to fix that federal law.
00:44:59.000The NVRA passed in 1993 and later bastardized by the courts to say that the states were not even allowed to check somebody's citizenship, even if they had reason to believe it needed to be checked.
00:45:13.000There's nothing in the NVRA that supports that, but that is the conclusive opinion of the courts, backed up by a Supreme Court opinion, which was wrong, up against a very strong dissent by my former boss, Justice Alito, who pointed out how absurd it was.
00:45:28.000But that is now the precedent and that stands.
00:45:31.000So for those who are arguing that there's no federal authority here, this is an improper federal takeover, nonsense.
00:45:38.000Article 1, Section 4 of the Constitution gives us that power, and we have a moral imperative to fix a manifest error made by the Supreme Court in interpreting that law.
00:45:48.000What can regular citizens do to kind of help motivate their representatives, both Democrat and Republican, about this?
00:45:56.000Again, if it's an 80, 84% issue, what can they do to let their legislatures know that, hey, you guys better do something about this?
00:46:06.000It's hard for senators to completely ignore public conversations when they get a flood of calls and emails.
00:46:20.000And those calls or emails are also consistent with what people are saying in op-eds submitted to newspapers and more recently, social media activity, posts, commentary, videos, things like that, in which people say, look, we really ought to pass this.
00:46:38.000And whether you're represented in the Senate by Democrats or Republicans or one of each, you ought to reach out to your senators in whatever method you deem most accessible to you and most comfortable to you to use.
00:46:53.000And just tell them in no uncertain terms, I expect you to do this.
00:46:56.000Now, if you are represented by Republicans or at least one Republican, the message you need to send to Republican senators specifically is don't blow this.
00:47:06.000You've got this alignment, which for Republicans is regrettably rare.
00:47:12.000We want to not make it rare or unheard of going forward.
00:47:16.000We need to not lose majorities in either chamber of Congress.
00:47:20.000And if you want to get that done, if you want us to show up for you in November, and if you want us by showing up in November to have the ability to make sure that those majorities are preserved, if you want the ability to maintain a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and by that, we mean the American people, not whatever person happens to stumble into our land,
00:47:46.000not a citizen who wants to make this their government and exercise a right to vote that doesn't belong to them, then get this done and enforce the talking filibuster.
00:47:55.000That message needs to be made loudly and clearly to Republican senators in particular.
00:48:00.000Enforce the talking filibuster to pass the Save America Act.
00:48:03.000You don't have to do it on every bill, but you got to do it on this one.
00:48:06.000So, and then you obviously have to target and go after Lisa Murkowski to make sure she knows that as the lone sort of Republican senator against this to get on board.
00:48:15.000But you mentioned John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Democrat.
00:48:19.000Hey, he sort of said some of this stuff could be common sense.
00:48:21.000If there was a handful of Democrats that people could reach out to, who do you think would be the best targets there to get common sense?
00:48:29.000You're not going to get Chuck Schumer to ever agree to this.
00:48:33.000But if Fetterman's a reasonable guy, if they're going to take their time and energy, who would be maybe the handful of people you'd recommend targeting that you think, hey, maybe there's a chance there?
00:48:41.000I would start with Fetterman and with any Democrat who's up for re-election in 2026, particularly if they're up for re-election in a state that has in the near past voted for President Trump or in the near past has elected Republican senators.
00:49:01.000One name that comes to mind is Senator John Osoff from Georgia.
00:49:05.000Now, John Osoff, interestingly enough, held a campaign rally in Georgia recently in which he made known, I think, on his website, but even if it was not made known on his website, in order to get into his campaign rally, you had to show up to the campaign rally with a photo ID.
00:49:24.000So if this is Jim Crow, then that was a Jim Crow rally.
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