Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - MAHA Means Business, Interview with Calley Means | TRIGGERED Ep.237

00:06:23.000 Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.

00:06:27.000 On this show, we talk about draining the swamp.

00:06:31.000 We talk about it all the time.

00:06:32.000 And honestly, the swamp inside our food, our medicine, and our health might be the deepest and most dangerous of them all.

00:06:40.000 For decades, they've gotten us addicted to processed junk, relying on foreign entities for essential medicines, medicines that are often riddled with chronic disease-causing things.

00:06:52.000 It never seems to end.

00:06:54.000 All while major food giants and companies and their rich lobbyists just keep getting richer.

00:07:02.000 But now, the Maha movement is changing all of that.

00:07:05.000 And today, we'll be joined by Kaylee Means.

00:07:08.000 He's the founder of TrueMed, co-author of Good Energy, and now, crucially, he's a senior advisor to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:07:22.000 Kaylee's working to implement the Maha, Make America Healthy Again agenda, and completely shake up the system. 0.99

00:07:31.000 Kaylee's on the front lines, and he's here to tell us exactly what's going on.

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00:10:38.000 Joining me now, founder of TruMed, co-author of Good Energy, special government employee at the White House for Maha, Kaylee Means.

00:10:50.000 Well, Kaylee, thanks again for joining.

00:10:52.000 Now that you're working with HHS, you're actually in the White House.

00:10:56.000 I like that.

00:10:57.000 A little bit more formal than I sometimes see, which is, you know, I'm not that formal, so I like to keep it chill.

00:11:03.000 But now that you're working with HSS, I'd love to just get a general inside look on like where things have gone as we really near this sort of first hundred days, specifically when it comes to ending the childhood chronic disease crisis.

00:11:18.000 What are the key Maha aligned actions being pushed with within HHS and across the government right now?

00:11:26.000 Don, it's been amazing.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, we're all wearing suits here, but there are so many warriors in this building working to fight.

00:11:32.000 And I think it's really about institutional change.

00:11:35.000 I think Maha is part of what you're seeing in the first 100 days for a lot of institutions where we're talking about big things.

00:11:40.000 We're talking about fundamentally changing the incentives of our military industrial complex, of our trade imbalances that have hauled out the middle class, of government efficiency and of health.

00:11:48.000 And I think it really interestingly happened with Harvard.

00:11:51.000 So they're they're pulling funding for Harvard and they're talking about the taxism status.

00:11:57.000 So what does this actually mean and what does this mean for health?

00:12:00.000 I think it's very interesting.

00:12:01.000 You have academia and the media react with just horror, with with no humility whatsoever for why people would question these.

00:12:09.000 institutions. Then you look at Harvard, they've gotten tens of billions of dollars of federal research dollars, NIH grants.

00:12:15.000 And we asked them a simple question, what have those grants done to improve American health?

00:12:20.000 There's so much money going.

00:12:22.000 And they answered that they helped some marginal pharma R&D development.

00:12:26.000 They've been an outsourced lab for pharma.

00:12:27.000 That's literally, they sent a document with just drug help.

00:12:32.000 No foundational research they could cite on why people are getting sick.

00:12:36.000 So it's one example where all of these institutions, the $5 trillion we spent on health care, are really incentivized, 95 percent of it, until after we get sick.

00:12:45.000 And that's why these battles with some of these institutions that have underlied that system are really, really important.

00:12:50.000 But it's true NIH reform.

00:12:52.000 Jay Bhattacharya, who was a pariah of the medical system, they tried to fire him at Stanford.

00:12:57.000 He's now leading the NIH.

00:12:58.000 He's trying to steer that money to foundational research why we're getting sick.

00:13:01.000 Marty McCary, incredible leader, comes into the FDA.

00:13:04.000 He says, why is the FDA funded by pharma right now?

00:13:07.000 Why are there no conflict of interest rules?

00:13:09.000 Why have seven of the previous eight FDA commits?

00:13:12.000 We're going to clean up that.

00:13:15.000 Root cause institutional corruption.

00:13:17.000 And then CMS, Dr. Oz, that's $2 trillion they spend.

00:13:22.000 You know, that's double the defense and intelligence budgets.

00:13:24.000 Where is that money going?

00:13:26.000 He asked the states for that information.

00:13:28.000 They don't even have it.

00:13:29.000 They won't give it to them.

00:13:29.000 We don't even know where that $2 trillion is going and whether that's benefiting American patients and American health.

00:13:37.000 I think it's the trend of this administration so far.

00:13:40.000 They're getting to the root cause of transparency.

00:13:43.000 They just want to know the information so that we can ask, how can we spend that money in an effective way to actually spur health when right now we're the sickest country in the developed world?

00:13:51.000 Yeah, I mean, that's sort of amazing.

00:13:53.000 I mean, I never knew the numbers.

00:13:54.000 I knew they were big, but I didn't realize it's...

00:13:56.000 Twice our defense budget, just for one aspect of that, right?

00:13:59.000 I guess that's NIH.

00:14:00.000 I mean, that doesn't include some of the bigger ones, even.

00:14:03.000 And you're right.

00:14:04.000 No measurable gains.

00:14:06.000 I mean, at least with the military, it's like, okay, well, we have a couple planes, but we're spending trillions of dollars and no accountability, no nothing.

00:14:14.000 And of course, like everything else that we've done in MAGA, with MAHA, it's like, well...

00:14:18.000 We have to show you what we're doing with your trillions of dollars?

00:14:22.000 How dare you?

00:14:23.000 I mean, look at what they're doing with Doge.

00:14:25.000 I mean, are you seeing that same thing, which is just a pushback because people have been getting, you know, just fat at the trough.

00:14:32.000 They've been there.

00:14:33.000 They've never had to do anything.

00:14:34.000 Everyone's making millions.

00:14:36.000 No one's actually doing anything.

00:14:37.000 And they don't want the gravy train to stop.

00:14:39.000 Don, this is my most shocking for me observation from being here trying to help Secretary Kennedy is that I'll be honest.

00:14:48.000 There's important policy and complex policy we need to discuss on Medicare, Medicaid policy, on pesticides, on our farming system.

00:14:54.000 Our farmers are suffering.

00:14:55.000 There's complicated policies.

00:14:57.000 But what the lobbyists are fighting against is simple transparency.

00:15:01.000 They are coming in and arguing that we can't see Medicare, Medicaid data where we're spending those trillions of dollars because it's going to confuse patients.

00:15:10.000 That we can't see data on pesticides and food dyes and other food ingredients because that's going to scare.

00:15:18.000 There's actually an all-out assault from lobbyists who don't even understand what they're saying, but actually saying the American patient isn't sophisticated enough to see the full data sets of the NIH studies, isn't sophisticated enough to see research on the COVID vaccine,

00:15:33.000 isn't sophisticated enough to understand the FDA data sets, which we do not have access to.

00:15:39.000 Jay Bhattacharya has called us out.

00:15:40.000 If you rerun the trials that underlie FDA approvals...

00:15:45.000 40-50% of those trials can't be replicated.

00:15:47.000 So our entire drug approval system right now, if you just give those studies back and have a scientist rerun them...

00:15:54.000 Can't be replicated again.

00:15:55.000 And there's a fight to prevent the American taxpayer from even getting that basic information.

00:16:01.000 You know, again, this Maha agenda, what they're trying to do at its core, is institutional change, starting with transparency so patients can make the right decisions.

00:16:10.000 There's a fight to even get bad.

00:16:12.000 And I think the message coming from HHS and Secretary Kennedy is there are big policy conversations to have, but we are not going to negotiate or take lobbyist input on transparency.

00:16:24.000 A lot of people may not be sophisticated enough, but I'm sure there's plenty of scientists who aren't on the dole, who aren't on the payroll, who could look at this and be like, wow, that's really bad.

00:16:36.000 If it's going to scare a customer, maybe there's a reason it should scare a customer.

00:16:39.000 Because again, if you look at the results of what has happened to our health...

00:16:42.000 You mentioned sort of being the least healthy of the developed world.

00:16:46.000 I'm sure we spend more than any other country on these things.

00:16:49.000 Something's gone awry.

00:16:50.000 It's not like it's working.

00:16:51.000 It's not like it's going well and there's an occasional slip through the crack. 0.94

00:16:54.000 I mean, our kids are fat. 1.00

00:16:55.000 They're sick. 1.00

00:16:56.000 We're obese. 0.99

00:16:57.000 We're unhealthy.

00:16:58.000 And you're right.

00:16:59.000 We don't try to prevent that.

00:17:01.000 We only try to fix it once we already know you're sick, which I imagine is a lot more expensive than preventing people from getting sick in the first place.

00:17:08.000 When Secretary Kennedy was...

00:17:11.000 What was sworn in, which you, Don, had an amazing, huge impact on doing.

00:17:16.000 People don't even know how much we were working behind the scenes.

00:17:19.000 But the American people really pushed him in there, and it was an incredible victory. 0.97

00:17:23.000 President Trump signed an executive order, and it said in 100 days, so this is going to be May 22nd, it would be great to have you there, but President Trump, Bobby Kennedy, and a lot of the cabinet are going to be releasing a report on the trends in American health.

00:17:34.000 We spend three times more per capita than any European country, and we are living seven years less than the Italians.

00:17:40.000 We have demonstrable...

00:17:42.000 Who, by the way, still smoke most of the time.

00:17:43.000 I mean, it's like...

00:17:44.000 They're smoking, they're drinking wine, they're eating pasta.

00:17:47.000 They eat carbs every meal.

00:17:48.000 No, no, every meal.

00:17:49.000 Every meal, they're eating pasta.

00:17:51.000 They do have higher smoking rates.

00:17:54.000 And they all look great.

00:17:55.000 They look great there.

00:17:57.000 And they're living seven years longer.

00:17:59.000 They have significantly lower rates of diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity, heart disease.

00:18:04.000 So we're putting together a report.

00:18:07.000 With great scientists.

00:18:08.000 And we're going to talk about that.

00:18:10.000 And, yeah, you talk about the sophistication of the American patient.

00:18:14.000 I actually think they are sophisticated.

00:18:15.000 I think Americans want to be healthy.

00:18:16.000 I think they're right.

00:18:17.000 I think the Maha moms are right when they say something's not quite right. 1.00

00:18:21.000 Right now, you know, when I talk about that $2 trillion we spend from CMS, the medical standard of care when a kid is sad is to give them an SSRI, an antidepressant.

00:18:31.000 They've doubled in prescription rates among teens.

00:18:33.000 25% of women.

00:18:35.000 Don, 25% of women are on a psychiatric medication.

00:18:38.000 I mean, this is the standard.

00:18:40.000 That's why the NIH research that says, oh, everyone needs SSRIs, it goes into where the money goes.

00:18:46.000 And it is vital.

00:18:48.000 That the American people, and we can open source this data, our friends, Elon's friends who run the data and great scientists can run that data.

00:18:58.000 Is the spend on SSRIs working for us and lowering rates of depression?

00:19:02.000 Is the fact that 40% of men over 40 on a statin, is that the right intervention all the time when you have high cholesterol?

00:19:12.000 Hundreds of billions were spending a year on cancer therapeutics, lowering cancer rates.

00:19:17.000 We actually, Don, this is one of the most shocking stats from this report.

00:19:20.000 There's 212 countries they measure cancer rates for.

00:19:23.000 We are the highest of the 212.

00:19:26.000 The United States, all developing and developing countries.

00:19:29.000 We have the highest cancer rates of any society in the history of human civilization.

00:19:34.000 Right now, this year.

00:19:35.000 It's like, is the spend going to the right place?

00:19:38.000 That is the key.

00:19:39.000 That is the fight of this movement right now and what the administration is trying to do.

00:19:43.000 Let's get the data so patients and policymakers can understand what we're working with here and make better decisions.

00:19:49.000 Yeah, like, what about autism?

00:19:51.000 You know, when I look at the stat...

00:19:54.000 Listen, I'm old.

00:19:56.000 I'm not that old.

00:19:57.000 But I didn't know anyone with autism there.

00:19:59.000 Now it's like everyone, you know, somewhat on the spectrum, it feels like.

00:20:03.000 I mean, that didn't just happen out of nowhere.

00:20:06.000 We didn't just magically become that.

00:20:08.000 You know, it's not just purely what we're breathing.

00:20:11.000 It's got to also be what we're eating because we consume a lot of food and a lot of it's bad.

00:20:15.000 And if I look at, I spend a lot of time traveling, a lot of time on the road.

00:20:18.000 If I'm in Europe, the ingredient list is a lot shorter.

00:20:21.000 And these are developed countries.

00:20:24.000 In the UK, it's like, here's the ingredients for an Oreo cookie in America.

00:20:28.000 Here it is. 0.99

00:20:28.000 And it's a bunch of crap I can't pronounce and have no idea what it is. 0.99

00:20:32.000 Okay. 0.98

00:20:33.000 Autism is a great point. 0.99

00:20:34.000 And I know you as a parent see this.

00:20:37.000 And frankly, the Maha moms, millions of them, first-time Trump voters, this... 0.59

00:20:41.000 This election came because there's so much anxiety about this issue.

00:20:45.000 This week, Secretary Kennedy said we're going to figure out what the cause of autism is.

00:20:49.000 He has been relentlessly attacked.

00:20:51.000 Elizabeth Warren today just absolutely, you know, said this is shameful that we're litigating autism.

00:20:57.000 I mean, where is the respect for the what?

00:20:59.000 Don, it's one in 20 boys.

00:21:01.000 Why wouldn't we?

00:21:01.000 Why wouldn't we want to know?

00:21:03.000 I mean, I don't even understand.

00:21:04.000 It's so out of bounds, right?

00:21:06.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:21:07.000 Hey, I guess he said he was going to release the report on where the—oh, they're going to do it by September.

00:21:11.000 How are you going to do that?

00:21:11.000 Well, maybe we actually take some of that money that we're funneling to fake science and actually put it into real science, and maybe we figure this out, because we should know.

00:21:18.000 Or maybe we get the data that we already have showing the autism diagnosis, and we're blocked from seeing this data on what the other factors are.

00:21:24.000 Clearly, Don, the fact that 1 in 20 boys now—and this was released this week—1 in 20 boys in the United States have autism.

00:21:32.000 Could this be related to the— Rapid rise of obesity, which they say autism is a diagnosis issue.

00:21:39.000 Well, is the rise of obesity a diagnosis issue?

00:21:41.000 Because I'm seeing a lot more obese kids.

00:21:43.000 Is the rise of diabetes?

00:21:45.000 Is the rise of kidney issues?

00:21:46.000 Is the rise of cancers?

00:21:47.000 Every single chronic condition, including autism, it's going up all at once.

00:21:51.000 Clearly, clearly this is tied to a multifactorial set of issues, but food being one of them.

00:21:58.000 So we're meeting with the food industries, right?

00:22:00.000 And we're talking to them.

00:22:01.000 And again, there's complicated policies to discuss.

00:22:04.000 But there is a war to study the ingredients that are already in our kids' food.

00:22:08.000 I'll give you one example with all the cereals that you see and the different ingredients.

00:22:12.000 The second most used pesticide in the country is atrazine.

00:22:15.000 This is banned in every other country.

00:22:17.000 It mostly comes from China.

00:22:18.000 This is the chemical... 0.96

00:22:20.000 Alex Jones was kind of made fun of for saying it turns the frogs gay. 0.96

00:22:25.000 Because it does. 0.95

00:22:26.000 It is a mass hormone disruptor.

00:22:28.000 And actually, no scientists would disagree with this.

00:22:30.000 It dramatically increases estrogen, okay?

00:22:33.000 And we're talking to the food industry, and again...

00:22:37.000 Pesticides are complicated.

00:22:38.000 We've got to support the American farmer.

00:22:40.000 I think we're all aligned on a future where we're creating great healthy food, but I'm not talking about policy.

00:22:45.000 I want to know the truth.

00:22:46.000 So we ask them, okay, if atrazine is so safe, would you sign your kid up for a study at the NIH where we give half the group, maybe your kids, an atrazine pill every day for two years and half the group a placebo and see what happens?

00:22:59.000 And they say, of course not.

00:23:00.000 That's unethical.

00:23:01.000 So you literally have these folks, including the pharma industry, saying we don't have enough research to take this poison out of the food.

00:23:09.000 And then when you suggest the research, which would clearly be a placebo-randomized control study where half the group takes an atrazine pill or a titanium dioxide pill or a BHT pill or a food coloring pill, all these ingredients that are banned in every other country, let's test it.

00:23:22.000 The message from this administration is let's start with transparency.

00:23:26.000 But I think it is a very interesting sign if we...

00:23:30.000 Submit a study to the NIH to test an ingredient that is in 60% of kids' food, and it's considered unethical by the scientific community to even test this ingredient that's already in the food.

00:23:41.000 That's what's happening right now.

00:23:42.000 So they do this circular loop.

00:23:44.000 I mean, isn't the sort of evidence that it's banned in every other country?

00:23:47.000 Meaning, you know, for a change, it'd be nice if, like, we just take other people's information rather than spending trillions of dollars to figure out the obvious.

00:23:54.000 They didn't just ban it for no reason.

00:23:56.000 I'm sure they did studies, and if they found that it was bad...

00:24:00.000 Isn't that enough?

00:24:01.000 I mean, it feels like that's enough for me.

00:24:03.000 Like, I don't want to eat it.

00:24:04.000 I don't like giving Europe any credit.

00:24:05.000 I don't like giving Europe any credit.

00:24:06.000 But if every other country, literally in the world, is doing something, and we're the outlier, and then our health outcomes are total outliers and our health costs, you know, when we talk about government efficiency, it's health care costs.

00:24:18.000 I mean, these are the biggest drivers of U.S. inflation, U.S. spending.

00:24:23.000 We should at least take note.

00:24:25.000 Yes, Don, that's absolutely an argument we're making.

00:24:28.000 It's not a veto on our policy, but we should certainly take note.

00:24:32.000 And I will say something that's heartening.

00:24:34.000 While lobbyists, and we can talk about the soda industry too, which has been very interesting, they obviously are there to protect their interests.

00:24:42.000 They, as humans, do understand that there's a crisis, and that's what we're going to talk about on May 22nd.

00:24:47.000 And I do think something...

00:24:49.000 President Trump and Secretary Kennedy are doing is they're starting to change the conversation.

00:24:53.000 I know you as a parent and many parents are looking at the labels a little bit more.

00:24:57.000 I was recently reading the Wall Street Journal of the food industry.

00:25:00.000 The number one threat they said to junk food is not Ozempic or anything else.

00:25:05.000 It is that Americans, because of President Trump, because of Bobby Kennedy, because of this totally unlikely alliance, they're culturally waking up to caring about what they're feeding their kids.

00:25:14.000 That's a great thing.

00:25:15.000 And actually, it helps American farmers.

00:25:17.000 This is why Brooke Rollins has been such an incredible advocate with Bobby.

00:25:20.000 She's crisscrossing the country with him on these SNAP reforms and other food reforms.

00:25:26.000 The more we can get Americans... 0.91

00:25:28.000 To understand what they're putting in their child's body, that's a boom to American farmers. 0.97

00:25:32.000 Right now, we're profiting often international conglomerates making this process crap.

00:25:36.000 This is going to be a heyday for American farmers as Americans get healthier.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, I mean, you mentioned SNAP.

00:25:42.000 I mean, we've seen, obviously, in this whole process, even in 90 days or so, the swamp very much still has teeth.

00:25:51.000 We're seeing it.

00:25:52.000 In these efforts to reform SNAP, to get rid of soda.

00:25:55.000 I mean, there's other things you can put.

00:25:57.000 You don't have to drink soda.

00:25:58.000 That's probably not the best place to get your calories, especially, you know, on the government dole.

00:26:04.000 You've been exposing some of the nefarious special interests trying to stand in the way of that.

00:26:08.000 Well, you know, what else do people need to know?

00:26:10.000 I mean, you mentioned, you know, the lobbyists and pharma, but I mean, it does feel like big food.

00:26:15.000 Maybe a worse culprit than all of them.

00:26:17.000 At least pharma, you know, sometimes they are developing things that can actually help people.

00:26:20.000 And some of it you need.

00:26:22.000 It doesn't mean, you know, I've had high cholesterol my whole life.

00:26:25.000 I don't want to get on a statin because I did the research and I'm like looking at it.

00:26:28.000 I'm like, I don't know.

00:26:28.000 I had high cholesterol when I was a D1 rower in college.

00:26:31.000 I had a 34 resting heart rate.

00:26:33.000 It was like, eh, may not be the best thing for me to be on this thing for 65 years, right?

00:26:37.000 Doesn't mean it may not work for some people.

00:26:39.000 But food is unavoidable.

00:26:41.000 You got to eat food every day.

00:26:43.000 Yeah.

00:26:43.000 I totally agree with you on pharma.

00:26:45.000 I mean, I think punches should be thrown and it's politics.

00:26:48.000 But we are at the dawn of AI and we all want a robust pharmaceutical industry that's creating therapeutics to help reverse and prevent disease and promote longevity.

00:26:56.000 Agree with you on that.

00:26:57.000 And there should be a good mutual handholding there and some announcements to come.

00:27:02.000 On food, you're absolutely right.

00:27:03.000 And let me just take it to this case study.

00:27:05.000 If you want to talk about Maha victories, just look at what's happening with soda and snap.

00:27:09.000 So the food industry, and this is where I started my career.

00:27:12.000 15, 17 years ago, when I was in D.C., I helped the American Beverage Association pay off the NAACP, and the NAACP started saying it was racist to take the subsidy for soda off SNAP.

00:27:24.000 So let me break this down.

00:27:26.000 Food stamps are the fourth largest entitlement program.

00:27:29.000 It's something Elon's focusing on a lot.

00:27:30.000 It's $140 billion a year.

00:27:32.000 So 15% of the American people, the low-income American folks, depend on this program from nutrition.

00:27:37.000 It's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

00:27:40.000 More than 10% goes to soda.

00:27:42.000 So right now, there is a $10 billion plus subsidy going from the federal treasury to soda companies for a program that is supposed to supplement nutrition food.

00:27:52.000 There is nothing, you know, nobody's banning Coke.

00:27:55.000 President Trump loves his Diet Coke.

00:27:56.000 Like, it's a free country, 100%.

00:27:58.000 But we should not be subsidizing.

00:28:05.000 Sugary drinks, which are a weapon of mass destruction for a child's blood sugar, with a government assistance program.

00:28:10.000 That's a no-brainer.

00:28:11.000 That's a no-brainer.

00:28:12.000 It is impossible to argue against that.

00:28:14.000 That is a material part of Coca-Cola and Pepsi and these companies' revenue.

00:28:17.000 I mean, you do the math, you know, it's 10, 20 percent of their revenue is coming from the federal government to give soda to lower-income people.

00:28:24.000 But this has been something they fought.

00:28:26.000 This is something nobody ever thought would change.

00:28:27.000 But because the momentum for Secretary Kennedy, President Trump and the Maha agenda, governors started requesting SNAP waivers.

00:28:33.000 So governors have control of SNAP and they can request to take soda off.

00:28:37.000 And the Biden administration refused to accept those waivers.

00:28:40.000 There are actually a couple already inspired by Secretary Kennedy.

00:28:43.000 Secretary Rollins and Secretary Kennedy said, we're open for business.

00:28:46.000 Bring on the waivers.

00:28:47.000 And now you have 25 states, governors and legislators reforming SNAP and other parts of our food system and school lunches.

00:28:56.000 and Secretary Rollins and Secretary Kennedy are crisscrossing the country and the American Bevers Association

00:29:04.000 They said they've never been more surprised.

00:29:06.000 They've never been more slide swept.

00:29:08.000 They've never in their history of the big food industry have seen a bigger grassroots uprising and been more caught off guard than what's happening right now.

00:29:15.000 States around the country are taking soda off SNAP and saying that the SNAP dollars should go to American farmers, not soda companies.

00:29:22.000 This is going to have a demonstrable impact in child's health.

00:29:25.000 To me, Don, it's pretty simple. 0.99

00:29:27.000 We need to stop subsidizing crap for kids. 0.98

00:29:30.000 And we need to stop the health care incentives that profit from kids being sick. 0.98

00:29:34.000 We're attacking those incentives.

00:29:35.000 And, yeah, it's just that simple.

00:29:38.000 You need to go against the lobbyists who are trying to get government money to the wrong things.

00:29:44.000 So you mentioned 25 states.

00:29:46.000 That's half the country.

00:29:47.000 Are there any blue states in there, or are they just sort of in on it because they've been equally well taken care of?

00:29:53.000 Because, I mean, it all sort of feels like it's tied back to the political donation machine.

00:29:57.000 Oh, it's wild, Don.

00:29:59.000 I'll give a couple shout-outs to blue states.

00:30:01.000 But I will say, I've learned something in this health issue, that the most serious disease in the country right now is TDS, Trump derangement syndrome.

00:30:10.000 And it has reached stage four for many on the left and in the media.

00:30:14.000 And it's created this incredible dynamic where you have states around the country.

00:30:20.000 These clips have gone viral where you have Democratic lawmakers passionately arguing for why we need to keep government's funding for soda.

00:30:29.000 This is something the left used to you know, this was reversed, right?

00:30:32.000 The left was more skeptical.

00:30:34.000 This is something that they used to support.

00:30:36.000 No, you've had some shameful situations where the Democratic governors of Kansas and Arizona after the legislature passed a bill.

00:30:53.000 It's indefensible.

00:30:53.000 It's totally indefensible.

00:30:55.000 There are a couple Democratic governors, some brave ones we're talking to.

00:30:58.000 But unfortunately, on the SNAP reform, we're going to see over 10 states doing these waivers just in a month.

00:31:04.000 And by my list, they're all red states now.

00:31:08.000 So, Don, I want to change health care.

00:31:10.000 I mean, we all want to see healthier kids.

00:31:13.000 The strategy, to be blunt.

00:31:15.000 Is that we're going to keep ramming wins from President Trump, from Secretary Kennedy.

00:31:21.000 And I think the left is just going to have to play ball because this is an unimpeachable issue, right? 0.97

00:31:26.000 Soda for kids, studying autism, the grass standards and food dyes, just getting this crap out of our food. 0.92

00:31:33.000 I mean, these are just common sense issues.

00:31:36.000 And I have to imagine the...

00:31:41.000 I mean, there was no better example than when President Trump called out that 13-year-old boy who recovered from brain cancer at the joint session to Congress.

00:31:49.000 And he mentioned that he was most likely got the cancer from some toxins in our environment.

00:31:55.000 And the Democrats refused to clap for that.

00:31:57.000 I mean, this is not a winner.

00:31:58.000 If you can't clap for a kid that survived multiple cancers and multiple brain surgeries because of it, maybe you've lost the plot.

00:32:07.000 We've lost the plot.

00:32:08.000 Covering this a lot on the show, specifically big food and how they try to undermine some of the important Maha goals.

00:32:15.000 Could you talk about the danger as it relates to our over health of how powerful these guys are and just how difficult it is to get across?

00:32:26.000 Of the big food industry?

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:29.000 I mean, Don, I try to, you know, talk about this not from a conspiracy perspective, but just what happened.

00:32:36.000 And what's happened is in 1980, about 25% of our child's diet was processed food.

00:32:42.000 75% was fresh food from American farmers.

00:32:45.000 Now it's over 70%.

00:32:47.000 How did that happen?

00:32:48.000 It happened through corruption.

00:32:50.000 And this was this is what I was so excited about with Secretary Kennedy coming on with with President Trump is that Maha is a sign of, I think, the MAGA real thesis, which is that it's not left right.

00:33:00.000 It's just the American people are being brought down by the swamp, by crony capitalism, by corruption in many spheres.

00:33:05.000 And when it comes to food, I always talk about the cigarette industry.

00:33:09.000 They owned 50 percent of the U.S. food supply in the 1990s.

00:33:12.000 Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds in the 1980s were two of the largest companies in the world.

00:33:16.000 Smoking rates were declining.

00:33:18.000 They strategically bought up Kraft, Nabisco, US Foods.

00:33:29.000 The food pyramid said carbs and essentially sugar were the base of the pyramid, which is crazy.

00:33:34.000 And our food consumption from that rigged document...

00:33:39.000 We stopped eating meat and healthy fats.

00:33:42.000 We started eating carbs as instructed by the government.

00:33:45.000 That's what my mom thought was the right thing to serve me as a kid, right?

00:33:48.000 And that created an addiction to ultra-processed food.

00:33:51.000 And the other thing that tobacco companies did, and this is very deliberate, is their scientists try to hack our child's biology.

00:33:59.000 They actually make the food softer.

00:34:01.000 Some of these chemicals you can't pronounce that we're looking at, they soften the food because the less you chew, the less hunger you get.

00:34:07.000 Right now, there was a Wall Street Journal article where there's hundreds of food scientists trying to study ozempic to actually understand the exact molecules of the drug so that they can create food to specifically out-hack the drug.

00:34:19.000 So you come up with a cure for something that's, you know, and again, whether you, you know, I know people who've done it, who swear by it.

00:34:28.000 I'm sure, you know, some of those, you know, things are great.

00:34:31.000 You know, I do think we've gotten a little too accustomed to there's a pill for everything and it's easier than actually putting in the work.

00:34:37.000 But, you know, I know plenty of guys that are hardworking guys that are guilty of it.

00:34:40.000 So they're trying to get around the solutions for these things.

00:34:45.000 There are hundreds of scientists at food companies studying Ozempic so that they can specifically formulate food to out-hack that drug so you eat more.

00:34:59.000 This is actually what CEOs of food companies have admitted that they're doing to increase shareholder confidence that people are going to keep eating junk food.

00:35:07.000 Yes, that is how the food industry thinks.

00:35:10.000 And this is the legacy of the tobacco industry.

00:35:13.000 So that's the situation that we have.

00:35:16.000 I guess, I mean, it's a little evil, but I guess it makes sense from their narrow standpoint.

00:35:21.000 The problem, Don, is twofold.

00:35:23.000 One is that they've been able to buy off the nutrition guidelines and our scientific authorities to where to this day the nutrition guidelines, I mean, you probably won't believe this, but to this day the Biden era nutrition guidelines say beans are the best source of protein, limit meat.

00:35:37.000 They say low-fat milk instead of whole milk, which is a disaster.

00:35:41.000 They actually recommend added sugar as a healthy part of a two-year-old's diet.

00:35:46.000 And they say, and they released a report last year, that a child's diet...

00:35:50.000 93% of ultra-processed food can be healthy, and they don't take a stand on any type of food quality or ultra-processed food.

00:35:57.000 Brooke Rollins and Secretary Kennedy are making a very clear point to the food industry.

00:36:02.000 Policy is another question.

00:36:04.000 We are going to have accurate science.

00:36:06.000 And the accurate science clearly is that we should be eating whole food.

00:36:09.000 We should not be denigrating meat.

00:36:11.000 We should absolutely not be recommending added sugar to two-year-olds.

00:36:15.000 There's going to be real common sense here.

00:36:17.000 And I think that's a big way to solve this.

00:36:20.000 Again, I cannot tell you how much lobbying there is.

00:36:24.000 On just basic science, on basic transparency.

00:36:27.000 You know, at the very least, the government does have a role to have accurate science.

00:36:32.000 But a lot of the lessons we learned from COVID, I see in the food industry.

00:36:35.000 There's just total weaponization of the NIH Research Department and our scientific departments.

00:36:40.000 I don't think we need a lot of nutrition researchers.

00:36:42.000 We need to tell the American people that they should be eating whole food and limiting ultra-processed food.

00:36:48.000 I think that type of common sense is going to come through.

00:36:52.000 And then really attacking the subsidies.

00:36:54.000 Again, it's not banning, as Bobby said a million times, it's not banning the Twinkies or the Coca-Cola, but when you look at the food stamp program, and then when you look at federal school lunches, we're poisoning our kids with school lunches.

00:37:06.000 I'm a conservative, I'm a libertarian, but you can have an opinion on what food you are buying if we're spending money to provide nutritious food for children.

00:37:18.000 The school lunch program...

00:37:20.000 Is a ten times larger fast food program than any private restaurant.

00:37:25.000 Is a massive source of revenue for the food industry.

00:37:29.000 And this will be the administration of not poisoning kids with school lunches.

00:37:33.000 Where absolutely you're going to be hearing a lot of agenda items to have good American whole food in school lunches.

00:37:40.000 Helping the states do that.

00:37:42.000 By the way, it's still, I mean, that sounds criminal to me that these guys could be trying to reverse engineer away.

00:37:50.000 Ways around, you know, Ozempic to make sure that, just make sure that people still get fat, even if they're trying not to be. 0.93

00:37:55.000 That should be criminal, by the way, just so we're clear.

00:37:58.000 Like, you know, I get it.

00:37:59.000 I'm not for banning stuff either, if people know.

00:38:01.000 I mean, I'd love not to have my kids, you know, everything that they put in their mouth does not need to glow in the dark for effect.

00:38:08.000 You know, like, so there's certainly things that, you know, I don't necessarily mind banning.

00:38:11.000 But, you know, I see the slippery slope argument on that.

00:38:14.000 But, like, the fact that they're trying to get around this new thing that, you know.

00:38:18.000 Perhaps it's revolutionary in the sense that at least it's stopping some of the insanity.

00:38:22.000 I'm so used to it.

00:38:24.000 We talk about the D.C. swamp affecting the DOJ and the Pentagon, but you focus on health.

00:38:30.000 The fact that they're doing the same thing there is insane.

00:38:33.000 How does the devastating rise in chronic disease, along with our dangerous over-reliance on foreign entities for essential medicines and supplies, how does that represent one of the most critical, yet probably I guess most often overlooked threats to America's well-being and security.

00:38:51.000 Because, I mean, I can't think of anything that's more national security than, A, the expense, the drain of trying to keep people healthy who've been poisoned for generations.

00:39:03.000 Oh, it's a national security issue on many different fronts, Don.

00:39:09.000 One is that 77%, and this is from the DOD, 77% of military-aged youth aren't eligible to join the military almost predominantly because of mental health or chronic disease issues.

00:39:21.000 We've got a serious, and thank God for Pete Hegseth.

00:39:24.000 Who's now out there exercising with the troops and we've had record recruitment and we're getting back to being fighters again.

00:39:32.000 And that's really important because we become really soft and our countries become soft.

00:39:36.000 And you're going to hear Bobby talking a lot about that.

00:39:37.000 But on the national security angle, yeah, about 40 percent of our food comes from other countries.

00:39:43.000 China has infiltrated our agriculture system. 0.95

00:39:46.000 Brooke Rollins has been talking about this a lot.

00:39:48.000 They're a large owner of U.S. farmland.

00:39:50.000 They actually own over 50 percent of our meatpacking facilities.

00:39:54.000 This is a huge problem.

00:39:56.000 Biden led a lot of that slide.

00:39:58.000 And they're strategically buying up farmland around military bases.

00:40:03.000 Actually, the two largest owners of farmland in the country are the CCP and Bill Gates.

00:40:09.000 And I don't think they have America's interests at heart.

00:40:15.000 I'm not sure which one's worse, frankly.

00:40:18.000 And Bill Gates thinks we need population decline and says that it's pseudoscience to think we should be eating whole food at this point.

00:40:25.000 We need to be going to lab-grown meat.

00:40:27.000 So that's one of the largest owners of U.S. farmland along with the CCP.

00:40:31.000 So I think we need to look at food as a national security issue.

00:40:34.000 And, you know, this has shaped my thoughts, Don.

00:40:38.000 You know, all this food coming from overseas, it's a real health and national security issue to have local food.

00:40:43.000 I always thought, you know, a lot of this, I think we've been on traditional, I thought a lot of this was like hippie stuff 15 years ago.

00:40:48.000 But why is local food important?

00:40:50.000 The farther food travels, the nutrient content of that food exponentially decays.

00:40:56.000 So we talk about having at schools local food from farmers in that area.

00:41:02.000 That means actually it's much more nutritious.

00:41:04.000 You know, a tomato, and this gets to the soil degradation, which we really need to look at, a tomato grown in the United States has 70% less nutrients in it than a tomato grown 60 years ago.

00:41:15.000 So the distance food is traveling, what we're doing to our soil.

00:41:19.000 I mean, again, these are really important things.

00:41:22.000 Can you even solve the soil issue at this point?

00:41:24.000 Oh, yes.

00:41:25.000 Is it just that we've tried to suck too much out of it for too long?

00:41:28.000 I mean, because topsoil is topsoil.

00:41:30.000 You can't just replace it, right?

00:41:32.000 How do you fix that?

00:41:34.000 Well, this gets to where I think Maha right now is laying the stake in the ground on what is a 15-year journey to work with our farmers to harden up our agriculture system and harden up our health incentives.

00:41:47.000 Yes, you can rejuvenate.

00:41:50.000 You can regenerate the soil in a matter of years.

00:41:53.000 I'd urge you, if you haven't, this movie Kiss the Ground on Netflix, and it's a great movie to watch with the kids.

00:41:59.000 It has changed my life.

00:42:00.000 But this idea of learning practice from regenerative agriculture.

00:42:03.000 Which Brooke Rollins and Bobby Kennedy are going to do an event on this. 1.00

00:42:07.000 There are very solid tactics, like cover crops, for instance, that can help rejuvenate the soil.

00:42:16.000 And that can happen very quickly.

00:42:18.000 And actually the USDA and Bobby Kennedy are actually working not to do any command and control things on farmers, but to actually socialize and work with them on better procedures to rejuvenate the soil, which is happening.

00:42:30.000 There is a movement on that to happen.

00:42:32.000 So we haven't lost that.

00:42:34.000 We do, by estimates with our current system, have 40 crop suckers left or the soil will be dirt on the current trajectory.

00:42:41.000 But there's a lot of focus in this administration on really important things like soil reduction.

00:42:46.000 I actually think, Don, there's a world of just total abundance and total optimism here.

00:42:52.000 People haven't talked about this, but Elon's robots, I mean, like literally one of the big problems with regenerative agriculture, you get great crop output, but there's a labor issue.

00:43:00.000 You know, I think robotic technology, AI technology, we're going to have a lot of cool tools for our farmers to do better soil regeneration practices.

00:43:09.000 But we just need to survive, you know, the interim.

00:43:12.000 So the fact that we're even talking about it, the fact that President Trump, you know, and Bobby Kennedy and Secretary Rollins are using their microphone, the fact that we're talking about, you know, I don't know what the policy should be, but the food industry is out hacking Ozempic.

00:43:25.000 There's a cultural shift happening.

00:43:27.000 You know, what I hope to see in the next two years, Don, and I think it's going to happen, is we're going to get quick wins like the food stamps, like the autism study, like SNAP, like FDA reform, like grass standard reform, and the food dies.

00:43:39.000 But we're also going to drive a cultural awakening in this country.

00:43:43.000 I think President Trump and Secretary Kennedy, I think you saw this, they hit on more of a, I think, almost spiritual issue that we don't have like a health policy issue where we're not prescribing our kids the right amount of drugs or we're not...

00:43:56.000 We don't have quite the right Medicare reimbursement rate for things.

00:43:59.000 We really have a spiritual issue that I think ties to the transing of children issues, to the boys and women's sports, to the education collapse we've had, to what we're feeding our kids, to the fact that 35% of teens are on a pharmaceutical product. 0.96

00:44:16.000 We are declaring war on kids.

00:44:19.000 This country, there's demonic forces, I think.

00:44:21.000 I think when you add these all together, what was talked about in the campaign, I think there are demonic forces against children.

00:44:28.000 So it's actually getting back to basics.

00:44:30.000 And I consider one of the actual hallmarks and uniting threads of this administration is we are going to do the right thing for kids.

00:44:37.000 I mean, we're going to bankrupt the country for them, too.

00:44:39.000 We're trying to fix that.

00:44:40.000 I mean, I think everything here is through the lens of kids, and there's a cultural awakening happening there.

00:44:45.000 Yeah, I guess, you know, speaking of which, you know, I guess regarding sort of securing our supply chains, how do you expect, you know, big pharma and potentially foreign entities, obviously the CCP being a big one of them, they've been benefiting from that status quo.

00:44:57.000 How do you expect them to react?

00:44:59.000 Are they trying to obstruct or is there any sign whatsoever of cooperation?

00:45:04.000 I can't imagine much from the CCP because, you know, they've been waging a war on us, whether we knew it or not.

00:45:11.000 But maybe it's oversimplified, but we can't just ignore what big food, pharma, and the pesticide lobbyists want.

00:45:20.000 What's the best way?

00:45:21.000 Yeah, I think what's happening is everyone, all the lobbyists are so short-term and they're so embedded with the media that any move to correct these imbalances that have hauled out the middle class, and if you read any history of great power decline,

00:45:37.000 it's because there's the growing inequality and issues that we're seeing in the country right now that these tariffs are trying to address.

00:45:43.000 That brings down great power.

00:45:44.000 So that's trying to be addressed.

00:45:45.000 And the lobbyists, I'm struck by how short-term they are.

00:45:49.000 So they're certainly using the media to say how this is crazy.

00:45:52.000 But yeah, we have a situation right now where China controls our meatpacking and many areas of U.S. agriculture.

00:45:59.000 And if China shut off pharmaceutical manufacturing, we'd only have several weeks of core pharmaceutical.

00:46:06.000 So there is clearly a stake in the ground here where we need to harden up our core supply chains and semiconductors in pharmaceuticals.

00:46:14.000 I think there's a really positive vision, Don, here.

00:46:17.000 We're on the age of actually very exciting therapeutic innovations.

00:46:20.000 We're going to deregulate at the FDA, really encourage great innovation in America.

00:46:26.000 But it is an absolute national security issue right now.

00:46:29.000 And China, the fact that they have so much leverage on us, the fact that we are so interconnected with them on our supply chain is the reason we need to be moving aggressively.

00:46:39.000 But as you see this, and I just think highest level from being inside here, this is what every American needs to know.

00:46:45.000 We cannot fall for the psyops from the media.

00:46:48.000 These issues President Trump...

00:46:54.000 We are doing it all at once,

00:47:11.000 not even to mention our education system.

00:47:14.000 all at once, we need to support these efforts.

00:47:17.000 We need to hold strong.

00:47:18.000 There might be some short-term disruption, some short-term pain.

00:47:22.000 This has to happen.

00:47:23.000 This is what every American from all parties have been asking for for my entire life.

00:47:28.000 And we need to hold strong and support Secretary Kennedy, President Trump, Secretary Besant in taking these moves to reassure some of these core issues that impact our nationality.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it is sort of interesting.

00:47:43.000 And if you look at...

00:47:45.000 Many Democrats back in the 90s talking about this as it relates to trade and tariffs and all these things.

00:47:50.000 It was the right idea then, but 30 years later, it's only gotten worse.

00:47:54.000 Eventually, you actually have to do these things.

00:47:56.000 We touched on it a bit earlier, but promoting real food, questioning big pharma, that was painted as left-wing.

00:48:06.000 How is the fight for food integrity and for...

00:48:10.000 Crucial health sovereignty, ensuring that America controls its all-health destiny, actually now a deeply conservative and, frankly, essential America-first position.

00:48:21.000 How did that happen just seemingly in a few years?

00:48:25.000 I mean, I'm just going to be blunt with you.

00:48:28.000 I think the answer to that is I think your dad, the reason he is, I think, the most important figure of our generation is because he...

00:48:36.000 We zeroed focus into the core issue facing human civilization right now, which is institutional decline.

00:48:42.000 The institutions that I grew up as a young conservative do not question.

00:48:46.000 I grew up, you know, oh, you don't ask a question of the military.

00:48:49.000 The Iraq war was great. 1.00

00:48:51.000 The pharmaceutical industry is perfect.

00:48:53.000 The U.S. farming system can do no wrong.

00:48:55.000 The U.S. industry, U.S. institutions are perfect.

00:48:58.000 And that is not correct.

00:49:00.000 Our institutions have been captured.

00:49:02.000 We are a thousand percent pro-business.

00:49:05.000 I want to see in 10 years a pharmaceutical industry, a hospital industry, an insurance industry that is absolutely crushing it.

00:49:11.000 But it is also an unmistakable fact that those industries have realized that chronic disease is extremely profitable, have realized that a patient who is sick, who gets on more medications, who has more hospital visits...

00:49:26.000 We have created a system through corruption, not the free market, where hospitals make money when beds are full, not empty, where drug companies make money when more drugs are prescribed, not less, and even because of the disastrous Obamacare legislation that actually incentivized insurance companies to make more money when costs go up.

00:49:42.000 Everyone thinks insurance companies want costs to go down.

00:49:44.000 No.

00:49:45.000 They have this 15% medical loss ratio where they can only make a 15% profit margin.

00:49:50.000 But are able to raise premiums to get that 15%.

00:49:52.000 So, of course, you want 15% of a larger pie.

00:49:55.000 And since Obamacare, premiums have doubled.

00:49:57.000 They've been the largest source of U.S. inflation.

00:49:59.000 So every single source, every single lever of our medical system, not through the free market, has been rigged.

00:50:05.000 And President Trump changed the political order by steering a movement who wants thriving institutions but realizes that there's been massive, swampy behavior.

00:50:19.000 And we are trying to save the country.

00:50:21.000 We are trying to save the health care system by correcting these broken incentives to let American industry thrive.

00:50:27.000 But right now that's not happening.

00:50:29.000 So I think that's been a big shift where I don't even see, you know, I don't think the Republican Party from George W. Bush even exists.

00:50:37.000 I think we have just a totally new movement.

00:50:40.000 Not a bad thing, by the way.

00:50:41.000 No, no.

00:50:42.000 I think it's a great trend.

00:50:45.000 The Iraq War was one of the worst mistakes in American history. 0.99

00:50:49.000 This blind trust of our institutions who've let us down was wrong.

00:50:53.000 Everything we're doing is right, and I think we have a new coalition where you've got maha moms and hippies. 1.00

00:50:59.000 I was at the Heritage Foundation recently, a very conservative think tank.

00:51:03.000 And it was hippies there.

00:51:04.000 It was psychedelic researchers.

00:51:07.000 It was food activists.

00:51:09.000 These are people you'd never think to see at the Heritage Foundation.

00:51:11.000 But it felt right.

00:51:12.000 And we were all talking about how to help President Trump on his mission to reform these institutions.

00:51:17.000 So I think the Maha is just evidence of this larger shift in the party.

00:51:22.000 And I think these issues of...

00:51:26.000 Healthy food, exercise.

00:51:28.000 Maybe we shouldn't be steering kids straight to medical interventions, but thinking about what they're looking at on their phones.

00:51:36.000 And again, not all this is policy, but President Trump and Bobby Kennedy, they even just gave that voice.

00:51:43.000 Voters are very anxious about what's happening to kids.

00:51:46.000 I also think it goes to the core trend of this administration, which is...

00:51:51.000 Just common sense.

00:51:52.000 Like, it's not left-right.

00:51:54.000 It's just like, we shouldn't be serving 70% ultra-processed food to kids when it's 15% in Spain and France and Italy.

00:52:02.000 It's 15% of their diet there.

00:52:03.000 It's 70% here. 0.87

00:52:04.000 Does that make sense?

00:52:06.000 Yeah.

00:52:07.000 Well, I mean, you went viral.

00:52:08.000 I should play the clip in here, or at the end of this even.

00:52:12.000 You went viral a week or two ago.

00:52:16.000 Where you sort of called out a lot of these guys to their faces.

00:52:19.000 You went into sort of enemy territory.

00:52:20.000 You said what you were believing.

00:52:21.000 And I was watching something, and these are supposed to be the most educated people in this space.

00:52:26.000 And whether we agree with them or not, it's like, you know, they have an understanding of what's going on.

00:52:31.000 And, I mean, it was like you were speaking a different language.

00:52:34.000 You were like an alien that had no understanding what was...

00:52:37.000 Maybe they just didn't care, and they're ambivalent, and they're like, hey, we'll keep the gravy train going as long as possible.

00:52:42.000 Can you talk about that a little bit?

00:52:43.000 Because I don't even remember what the issue was, but the reaction was so visceral, and none of it was a response to anything you said.

00:52:52.000 It wasn't like they're like, no, you're wrong, and here's why.

00:52:55.000 It's just like, doesn't matter.

00:52:56.000 We don't want to have to listen to this guy.

00:52:58.000 Why would we?

00:53:00.000 I went to an event in D.C., and the audience was 300 pharmaceutical lobbyists.

00:53:06.000 And I simply said the unimpeachable fact that we have the highest rates of childhood chronic disease in the developed world.

00:53:14.000 That 50% of our teens are overweight or obese and 38% have prediabetes.

00:53:18.000 And we have an almost civilizational issue that we need to address.

00:53:22.000 And they booed.

00:53:25.000 These folks, when you talk about the science and talk about serious science, serious science in the current paradigm, and my sister writes about in this book from Stanford Med School, from researching at the NIH, from surgical residency, serious science is people getting sick and then cutting them open,

00:53:41.000 prescribing a drug or some other medical intervention.

00:53:44.000 Again, Don, that has been very helpful.

00:53:46.000 A lot of those interventions are miracles, but we've lost our way.

00:53:50.000 And what I said to that room, and I got to be honest, while there was some lobbyist booing, There's been a lot of good dialogue privately after this, because as humans, everyone does agree we have an unsustainable situation.

00:54:03.000 But my point to them, and I'll just speak directly to the pharmaceutical industry, to the healthcare experts and researchers.

00:54:10.000 Let's talk from their interests.

00:54:12.000 They have a crisis of trust.

00:54:14.000 They have a crisis of trust with the American people.

00:54:16.000 We spend three times more per capita, live seven years less than other countries.

00:54:20.000 With COVID, they're telling us to trust them, to trust the science, to not shut up.

00:54:25.000 That's untenable at this point.

00:54:26.000 So from the interests of those industries, I would urge them to show a little bit of humility for why millions and millions of people voted for President Trump.

00:54:39.000 Because of this issue of childhood chronic disease.

00:54:42.000 Because those voters are right.

00:54:43.000 And when Bobby walks around, I see a light behind him of the voters that really want change.

00:54:49.000 And they see that.

00:54:51.000 And I think it's in the best interest of everyone to acknowledge, even if they disagree with some policies, that President Trump and Bobby Kennedy have harnessed something's true, which is that we need more humility.

00:55:04.000 We started by talking about Harvard.

00:55:05.000 You know, they are throwing up a fit.

00:55:08.000 And saying that potentially freezing their tax exemption status or reviewing some of the billions of dollars of federal grants they get is an attack on academia.

00:55:16.000 That's not an attack on academia.

00:55:18.000 That's an attack on Harvard.

00:55:19.000 Harvard is an institution that is older than the United States.

00:55:23.000 In every industry, you have creative destruction.

00:55:26.000 You know, the top 100 companies 100 years ago, most of them don't exist today.

00:55:30.000 For some reason, academia has been propped up by these federal funds.

00:55:34.000 And it's very valid to ask, Are they serving ROI?

00:55:39.000 Are they producing research that's preventing and reversing disease?

00:55:42.000 Are they promoting academic inquiry and free expression?

00:55:46.000 And I don't think this administration is trying to attack academia.

00:55:50.000 They certainly should review Harvard.

00:55:52.000 And I don't think Harvard has a birthright to billions of dollars of funds.

00:55:55.000 I don't think specific pharmaceutical interests or whatever interests have a birthright to this continued gravy train, which is the largest part of the federal budget.

00:56:03.000 the American voters demanded that these incentives are looked at.

00:56:09.000 And again, that was my message, that if they think moms are gonna wanna go back 0.99

00:56:16.000 How do you keep that going,

00:56:31.000 right?

00:56:32.000 I mean, it feels like a lot of these guys, I saw it in the first term.

00:56:34.000 You know, we're going to kick the can down the road.

00:56:36.000 We're going to wait them out, and we'll just get back to business as usual.

00:56:39.000 I mean, I think you're right.

00:56:40.000 I mean, it is a cultural phenomenon.

00:56:42.000 I saw that.

00:56:42.000 The amount of people that came out, you know, honestly, especially, you know, for Bobby, because of the health thing, that would not have otherwise been conservative, would not have otherwise been on our side.

00:56:51.000 I mean, it's definitely there.

00:56:53.000 How do you grow that big enough?

00:56:55.000 How do you show enough results, you know, in the time we have left that...

00:57:00.000 This does become a major political issue and something that, frankly, both sides are going to have to start agreeing on.

00:57:06.000 My purpose on this earth is to transform health care incentives so people are healthier.

00:57:11.000 In order to do that, I think we have a policy window right now, thanks to President Trump, to move bolder on many issues than we've ever been able to in my lifetime.

00:57:20.000 So we need to continue delivering wins for the American people, which is happening.

00:57:25.000 With the things I mentioned, the food stamps, the autism study, the SNAP soda announcement, the baby formula announcement, you're going to see constant announcements and constant wins.

00:57:33.000 Again, we need to get all our allies there on May 22nd.

00:57:37.000 We're going to have this big report launch.

00:57:38.000 So you're going to see unrelenting wins.

00:57:42.000 My main focus is I want to keep this voter coalition together, keep them excited.

00:57:47.000 I think they are.

00:57:48.000 We're going to help Republicans in the midterms.

00:57:50.000 And I'll be honest with you, Don, you know, these issues we're talking about from changing our health and agriculture systems in a better direction, you know, to government efficiency, you know, and many other issues the administration's taking, these are civilizational issues.

00:58:04.000 And the health and agriculture case will take many years.

00:58:07.000 My goal and what I think about every day is in the history books in 50 years, we look at the Trump administration right now as the time the trend line started getting better, the time children started getting healthier, and that we've solidified a political movement by driving these wins that outlast this administration.

00:58:23.000 But again, I don't think this is a flash in the pan, Don.

00:58:26.000 I don't think that moms are going to want to go back to their kids getting sicker. 1.00

00:58:29.000 I don't think we're going to want to go back to more conflicts of interest.

00:58:33.000 People are voting on this issue now.

00:58:36.000 This administration is driving them wins.

00:58:39.000 And if we can keep doing that, we solidify a political movement.

00:58:44.000 And just speaking as a Republican, we need to literally change American politics if we can solidify this Maha coalition. 1.00

00:58:52.000 I mean, closing the gender gap.

00:58:54.000 And there was many factors, obviously, for this.

00:58:57.000 Obviously, Maha contributed to the – nobody would have expected 50-50 on young voters for President Trump, 50-50 on independents.

00:59:05.000 I mean, the coalition that emerged during 2024, if that holds, will fully change American politics.

00:59:12.000 And if that coalition – that coalition then is the impetus to change.

00:59:19.000 The power that Bobby has and President Trump has when they meet with stakeholders, it's more powerful than the money.

00:59:27.000 So every single day here, we are working to drive wins and deliver for the voters that helped make this movement possible so they maintain excitement.

00:59:38.000 Well, Kelly Means, thank you very much for everything that you're doing.

00:59:42.000 Definitely have to have you back on as you get some of those wins.

00:59:44.000 I'm going to try to make it up there on May 22nd because, like I said, I was a big believer in the movement.

00:59:49.000 The second I heard Bobby start to talk, I was like, hey, we've got to band together on this thing.

00:59:53.000 I don't think there could be a single thing that we're doing that's more important for our children and our future than what you guys are doing.

00:59:58.000 So keep up the great work, man.

01:00:00.000 Don, thank you for everything you've done.

01:00:03.000 I mean, this is a very special moment, and we're pushing really hard.

01:00:07.000 I know you are, man.

01:00:08.000 Thanks.

01:00:08.000 Thank you.

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Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - April 28, 2025

MAHA Means Business, Interview with Calley Means | TRIGGERED Ep.237

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