Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - March to the Majority and the MAGA future, Interview with Newt Gingrich | TRIGGERED Ep.107

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00:05:53.000 hey guys welcome to another huge huge episode of triggered Today we're joined by former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

00:06:02.000 Newt is the author of March to the Majority, the real story of the Republican Revolution.

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00:10:34.000 All right, guys. Joining me now is former Speaker of the House and author of March to the Majority, Newt Gingrich.

00:10:42.000 You know, we go back a long ways.

00:10:45.000 Back in 2015 and 2016, the Speaker gave me some of the best advice I ever got.

00:10:50.000 It was about my 2016 Republican National Convention speech.

00:10:55.000 And I had worked hard and tirelessly to do this speech, but I had a little bit of my, you know, Ivy League ego background, and I had this thing, and he said, this is a great speech.

00:11:06.000 Take every five-syllable word and make it two-syllable.

00:11:09.000 Just simplify it.

00:11:10.000 And I did, and it went off incredibly.

00:11:14.000 So I want to thank you for that.

00:11:16.000 I know I've done that in the past, but I always love to give credit in public, which is not very a Trumpian kind of thing to do, but I appreciate that.

00:11:23.000 I figured you'd know the difference. I do, and having it come from a Trump is truly an impressive moment.

00:11:31.000 Don't get used to it, Mr.

00:11:33.000 Speaker. This is a rare moment of weakness, but tell me what's going on.

00:11:39.000 What do you think's out there right now?

00:11:41.000 Well, I think that the country is just in a state of shock.

00:11:46.000 At Biden's inability to deal with the border, his inability to deal with Iran, the notion that we have three young Americans killed by Iranian proxies, so Biden's reaction is to attack Israeli settlers on the West Bank.

00:12:03.000 I mean, everything that's going on right now is crazy.

00:12:06.000 The fact that the group of illegal immigrants beat up several New York policemen, were released without bail, and we think at least four of them have now fled New York.

00:12:18.000 The average normal person looks at all this, you know, Washington, D.C., which I hope your dad is going to totally clean up, and which I cleaned up when I was speaker, has decayed to a point where they had 950 carjackings last year.

00:12:34.000 We just had a former Trump executive.

00:12:37.000 I saw that. During a carjacking.

00:12:40.000 And that carjacker went on to kill another man.

00:12:43.000 He carjacked three cars in one day.

00:12:46.000 Police finally tracked him down and killed him.

00:12:48.000 But you look at that, this is your national capital.

00:12:51.000 You ought to be able to visit it without a sense of fear.

00:12:54.000 So I see under Biden's very weird, I think weak, appeasement-oriented leadership, the country has slid dramatically in three years.

00:13:07.000 You mentioned the border, because obviously that's the big one that we see.

00:13:10.000 They're not exactly sending their finest.

00:13:12.000 I see what's going on down there.

00:13:14.000 These are not scientists or mechanics or engineers.

00:13:20.000 These are, in many cases, very bad people, as we saw in New York.

00:13:24.000 And yet, Biden can get there on a world stage and say, I've done everything I could possibly...

00:13:29.000 I mean, that's just a lie.

00:13:31.000 I mean, I think there were 64 executive orders that made it harder for us to control our

00:13:37.000 border and much easier for everyone to go in.

00:13:39.000 But even still, even in the face of such obvious lies and nonsense, the press is playing this

00:13:47.000 game.

00:13:48.000 They're almost like blaming it on Republicans.

00:13:49.000 Joe Biden, wow, he did everything he could possibly do, which is exactly nothing.

00:13:54.000 It's the Republicans' fault because they didn't give Ukraine another two, three, four, seven,

00:13:58.000 800 billion dollars.

00:14:00.000 How are they getting away with that still?

00:14:02.000 How can the press tell us that with a straight face?

00:14:05.000 I get they're trying to sway public sentiment, but it's so flagrant now they're not even pretending.

00:14:12.000 No, look, I think fake news turned out to be an accurate term.

00:14:16.000 That's who they are.

00:14:17.000 That's what they're dedicated to.

00:14:19.000 They are essentially the offensive wing of the left.

00:14:22.000 They make no pretense to be accurate or honest.

00:14:25.000 And I'll tell you what's happening in the country, though.

00:14:29.000 Texas is actually succeeding.

00:14:32.000 Somebody said that Eagle Pass had now dropped to fewer than 200 illegal immigrants a day from what had been thousands.

00:14:39.000 And in fact, the cartels have figured out that Texas is too hard and they've moved their effort to bring illegal immigrants to the U.S. to Arizona and California.

00:14:51.000 And I think we should be challenging the Democratic governors of New Mexico, Arizona, and California to bring their National Guard and their state police to the border.

00:15:03.000 And I think we should seriously be looking at a bill in Congress That would compensate the states for doing the federal government's job.

00:15:12.000 Texas is actually working.

00:15:14.000 It tells you how sick the Biden administration is that they're now attacking Texas to get Texas to quit stopping illegal immigration.

00:15:23.000 We have to remove the razor wire because Border Patrol is like, no, the Border Patrol is on the record saying they want to leave it there.

00:15:30.000 Like, well, it would hurt people.

00:15:31.000 It's like, well, it doesn't hurt people if you don't actually try, I don't know, crossing the razor wire.

00:15:36.000 Like, this is not rocket science, but, you know, the way their minds work, it's like, I'm trying to figure it out.

00:15:42.000 It's like that meme with the chalkboard and all the arrows, how to get to a result.

00:15:46.000 It's pretty insane.

00:15:47.000 But Greg Abbott's doing a phenomenal job.

00:15:49.000 The problem is in Arizona, you have a liberal governor.

00:15:51.000 In California, you have a very liberal governor.

00:15:54.000 They're not going to do it.

00:15:55.000 Greg Abbott deserves a lot of credit.

00:15:56.000 He's doing what our Border Patrol should be doing.

00:15:59.000 He's doing what our federal government should be doing.

00:16:02.000 He's doing that going up against them.

00:16:04.000 They're Making it harder to do liquid natural gas stuff out of Texas as a penalty for that. 0.55

00:16:09.000 So it's not like Joe Biden's he's done everything he's good.

00:16:12.000 He's actually made it difficult for Texas to do what they're supposed to be doing but refuse to do.

00:16:18.000 Well, one poll showed 69% of the American people side with Texas, and 27% side with the U.S. government.

00:16:28.000 Now, that is an astonishing number.

00:16:31.000 And in fact, when you ask how strongly do you feel, 52% of the American people are strongly in favor of Texas, and only 15% are strongly for the federal government.

00:16:43.000 I think two good examples.

00:16:44.000 The governor of South Dakota Sending Barbara extra wire to Texas because agriculturally they have a lot of it in South Dakota. 1.00

00:16:55.000 And then, frankly, Governor DeSantis sending a battalion of the Florida National Guard to help Governor Abbott.

00:17:01.000 I think what you're seeing, I think 25 Republican governors now have sent a letter to Biden siding with Abbott and saying, if you're not going to do your job, then don't go after him for doing what should be your job.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, no, I think that's right.

00:17:16.000 So, you know, you mentioned polls there.

00:17:18.000 And right now, the polls are pretty good for my father against Joe Biden.

00:17:22.000 He's leading by, I think, eight points in your home state of Georgia.

00:17:26.000 I guess maybe you're more Florida now than Georgia, but, you know, at least when you were in the swamp, it was Georgia.

00:17:32.000 I still have a daughter and grandchildren in Georgia.

00:17:35.000 Excellent. I took a lot of fond memories.

00:17:37.000 For example, in key battleground states, do you believe the polls?

00:17:42.000 How much stock do you put in the general election polls at this time?

00:17:47.000 It feels like each area has its unique way of playing games and negating those polls.

00:17:52.000 Maybe now it's so extreme they won't be able to get away with it because...

00:17:56.000 There is no enthusiasm for Joe Biden.

00:17:58.000 There is no sentiment. There's no Biden signs around anywhere.

00:18:01.000 You know, people understand.

00:18:03.000 You saw the flip-flop last week.

00:18:05.000 Snoop Dogg, he's like, no, I love Trump.

00:18:07.000 Well, you know, man, he did good stuff for us.

00:18:10.000 What was I thinking? Kind of thing.

00:18:11.000 You know, that was obviously during the Trump administration.

00:18:13.000 It was easy to get clicks, to get love from the media and the press and, you know, probably record labels if you went after Trump.

00:18:20.000 But now, after three years of Biden, you're seeing results.

00:18:24.000 What stock do you put in those polls and what you see out there right now?

00:18:28.000 Well, I think as a general indicator, if you get four or five or six of them saying the same thing, it's probably pretty true. 0.99

00:18:37.000 You know, I always like to see the initial results when the actual people show up.

00:18:42.000 So I talked to your dad early on the day of the Iowa caucus, and I said, I think you're going to be between 53% and 60%, which were numbers that Matt Tower had given me.

00:18:54.000 I said, but frankly, and having been there, both as a candidate and helping other candidates, I said, until you see who goes out on that cold night and who actually stands there, you don't know.

00:19:06.000 You know what the poll says, but the caucus is different.

00:19:09.000 And of course he did very well.

00:19:11.000 The same thing happened in New Hampshire.

00:19:14.000 And I think that, you know, again, I'm always amazed.

00:19:18.000 You know, he wins by 12 points in New Hampshire, and Nikki promptly claims that she's the winner.

00:19:26.000 When Democrats are literally flipping their vote for like 12 hours, you know, they signed up to be Republicans for a few hours so they could vote for Nikki Haley.

00:19:33.000 And they're literally on TV on record saying, oh, yeah, no, I'm doing this.

00:19:35.000 I'm just trying to stop Trump, not actually voting for Nikki Haley.

00:19:38.000 I would never vote for Nikki Haley.

00:19:39.000 And, you know, and the press is...

00:19:41.000 Nikki Haley's overperforming.

00:19:43.000 I'm like, do you hear what they're saying, though?

00:19:45.000 They choose to...

00:19:46.000 There's a lot of selective hearing there.

00:19:48.000 Well, look, I think as somebody who's losing, she's overperformed.

00:19:52.000 But she's losing.

00:19:54.000 And so my working assumption is that President Trump will be the nominee, period.

00:20:03.000 Barring some extraordinarily terrible health situation, I can't imagine any circumstance where he's not going to be the nominee.

00:20:12.000 This, of course, drives the left crazy.

00:20:14.000 I've been doing a series at the American Spectator Starting in 1960, how we got so out of whack in terms of the left and the universities and the FBI and the judges.

00:20:26.000 The parallels between the hatred for Nixon and the hatred for Trump are just amazing.

00:20:33.000 The left understands that he is the end of their world.

00:20:37.000 I mean, if you are for radical left-wing ideas, this is a matter of life and death.

00:20:43.000 So I thought it was very revealing the other day when James Carville, the Democratic consultant, said, we have to take a meat cleaver to him.

00:20:53.000 It just gave you that sense of, you know, you can think of all the trials as meat cleavers.

00:20:58.000 You think of everything that's being done to him.

00:21:00.000 I mean, this is a level of ferocity.

00:21:03.000 I think even Andrew Jackson didn't have this level of ferocity.

00:21:08.000 There were no fans of Andrew Jackson either, but yeah, this is unique.

00:21:12.000 I mean, they want to put him away for a thousand years, maybe the death penalty in one of these.

00:21:16.000 So you said he's going to be the nominee but for...

00:21:20.000 I mean, what about the lawfare?

00:21:22.000 I mean, it's nonsense.

00:21:23.000 I mean, people see through it.

00:21:25.000 I think they see through literally all of it.

00:21:27.000 It's so over the top. 0.99

00:21:28.000 It's so ridiculous. The people doing it are such corrupted actors, just bad people in their own right, and it's obvious. 0.99

00:21:37.000 I mean, now they're getting caught, but...

00:21:39.000 That doesn't seem to actually stop the left.

00:21:42.000 They don't seem to care. Like, if you get the win in D.C., you get the win.

00:21:45.000 It doesn't matter, even if you've stacked the jury, even if it's biased, even if you had no chance of getting a jury of your peers, etc.

00:21:52.000 It's the only tool they have left.

00:21:55.000 And again, it's very similar to what happened to Nixon.

00:21:58.000 You have, in Washington, D.C., Trump got about 5% of the vote.

00:22:04.000 So a jury pool in Washington is 19 to 1 against him.

00:22:10.000 You can't possibly get a fair trial.

00:22:12.000 And that one is too scared to actually vote his conscience because they know he'd be literally probably lynched in the street.

00:22:19.000 He'd never be able to show up to his children's school again.

00:22:22.000 He'd never get a restaurant reservation.

00:22:24.000 I mean, there's a real social consequence.

00:22:26.000 It's not like, hey, you could have five on that jury.

00:22:29.000 But there is significant downside.

00:22:31.000 Their names will be leaked.

00:22:32.000 The press will talk about them.

00:22:34.000 They will be outed as the ones that let Trump off.

00:22:37.000 And it's a...

00:22:39.000 Even if it's the right thing to do, even if it would be legally correct, there's a true social consequence to them for actually doing the right thing.

00:22:47.000 You saw the same thing in New York.

00:22:49.000 Remember, this absurd $83 million deal is a woman who cannot remember which year. 0.99

00:22:58.000 She's talking about...

00:22:59.000 The dress wasn't made at the time.

00:23:01.000 She's accused, what was it, seven other people of the exact same thing, including Roger Ailes of Fox News.

00:23:07.000 She's on the record saying she was a huge fan of The Apprentice when it was on.

00:23:12.000 So 20 years after she claims this happened, she's a huge fan of The Apprentice and Donald Trump.

00:23:16.000 But then magically, once he puts an R next to his name, you see the Anderson Cooper interview.

00:23:22.000 You see the insanity. And yet...

00:23:24.000 It's inadmissible because the judge is biased and doesn't want to let it in.

00:23:27.000 So a jury can't understand that there's literally zero plausible way that any of this happened.

00:23:32.000 But that doesn't matter.

00:23:34.000 It doesn't matter. Tom Wolfe wrote a novel years ago called Bonfire of the Vanities.

00:23:41.000 And he described in there the corruption of the New York judicial system.

00:23:46.000 This is like probably 30 years ago.

00:23:49.000 We're now getting to see it at every level.

00:23:52.000 You know, I just saw an article this morning that the prosecutor who has been going after your father, who released the illegal immigrants who beat up two policemen.

00:24:07.000 Just let him go.

00:24:08.000 No bail. He now wants to retry the chief financial officer of the Trump company.

00:24:16.000 And you have to say to yourself, you know, this is such corrupt, blatant politics that I think what it does is it undermines belief in the law.

00:24:27.000 And I think that increasingly people understand that this entire episode is about politics and power.

00:24:34.000 We're replacing the rule of law with the rule of power.

00:24:38.000 And that is really dangerous in a free society.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, people have to understand that, right?

00:24:45.000 When you do that, there's a point where there is no return, right?

00:24:50.000 The pendulum swings too far and you never actually get it back.

00:24:54.000 Once that becomes the norm, that's the norm in perpetuity, you know, barring quite literally some sort of revolution.

00:25:01.000 I mean, it's sort of 1776, right?

00:25:03.000 Without a revolution, that becomes the norm and the America you know and love ceases to exist as we know it.

00:25:12.000 You know, Admiral Cunningham, who was in charge of the British Navy off of Crete, was told that if they stayed and tried to help evacuate the troops that were on the island, that they might lose so many ships to the German Air Force that they would literally lose the ability to control the Eastern Mediterranean.

00:25:33.000 And he thought for about 30 seconds and he said, you know, it takes two years to build a ship.

00:25:38.000 It takes 200 years to build a tradition and we're not leaving.

00:25:43.000 Well, we're in the same boat.

00:25:45.000 We had founding fathers who created this astonishing instrument called the Constitution.

00:25:51.000 We have been the freest people in the world.

00:25:54.000 We have expanded participation as a citizen to every background,

00:25:59.000 every religious background, every racial background, to men and women.

00:26:04.000 And we established a structure of freedom.

00:26:07.000 And the reason I'm doing this series at the American Spectator is I began to be curious about around 1960, the left began to just attack and undermine the entire American system.

00:26:21.000 And these are people who hate America.

00:26:24.000 Biden wants millions of illegal immigrants.

00:26:28.000 To say it different is a lie. 0.98

00:26:30.000 Biden wants to appease the Iranians, no matter how many Americans they kill. 0.99

00:26:36.000 Biden has no real policy on that.

00:26:39.000 We lose today over 100,000 young Americans a year to drug overdose, which is more than we lost in eight years in Vietnam.

00:26:50.000 It's now such a disaster that Portland has declared a drug emergency.

00:26:57.000 San Francisco is going through the same cycle.

00:27:00.000 And all of a sudden, all these liberal ideas that were supposed to work are turning out to be cancers that are eating at the very core of our society.

00:27:09.000 Well, I saw, what was it, Oregon is, they're shocked that legalizing heroin has not, in fact, reduced, I mean, I'm like, what, how do these people get elected into office?

00:27:22.000 There's, you know, the only thing, you know, not common in D.C. and in government these days is sense.

00:27:29.000 Common sense is totally out the window and missing.

00:27:33.000 Well, on the left, they live in an alternative fantasy world.

00:27:36.000 I always tell people that liberals can't deal with violence, whether it's criminals or terrorists or countries, because they saw The Lion King and they thought it was a documentary.

00:27:48.000 And they actually think that lions and zebras sing and dance together.

00:27:54.000 And when we try to explain to them that lions actually eat zebras, they go, no, no.

00:27:59.000 Didn't you see the movie?

00:28:00.000 Don't you realize that they're friends?

00:28:02.000 Yeah. And that's Biden with Iran.

00:28:05.000 I mean, Iran taunts us. 1.00

00:28:07.000 They chant death to America.

00:28:09.000 The Ayatollah Khomeini goes on national television and says, I want you to understand, death to America is not a slogan.

00:28:16.000 It's our policy.

00:28:18.000 And they then go out and we've had 150 attacks on Americans.

00:28:23.000 And Biden doesn't get it.

00:28:26.000 No, they give them $6 billion, and they say, no, no, no, that money's for aid.

00:28:31.000 They don't even understand that money's fungible.

00:28:33.000 If you get $6 billion here, maybe you use it for aid and it's locked up, but that frees up $6 billion that they were going to have to spend on aid or food or whatever it was, and And they don't even put that together.

00:28:44.000 I mean, the frustration I get watching these things and watching how far it's fallen, how far it's slipped away, it's truly sad, actually, at this point.

00:28:54.000 Now I'm watching Americans actually getting killed, and they don't get that it's because they've exuded such weakness they're almost encouraging our enemies to attack.

00:29:03.000 Well, remember, when they lifted the sanctions on buying oil, they enriched Iran unbelievably.

00:29:09.000 I think they went from about $4 or $5 billion in total currency when your dad left office to around $70 billion today because Biden lifted the sanctions on oil.

00:29:21.000 And then he turns around this last week.

00:29:23.000 And he announces that we're going to stop any more liquid natural gas facilities for exporting liquid natural gas to Europe, etc.

00:29:32.000 All of that makes Russia and Iran richer.

00:29:35.000 It's almost like they sit around the White House and say, what is it we can do to strengthen our enemies and weaken our allies?

00:29:43.000 I say it all the time.

00:29:44.000 If you were, you know, the proverbial, you know, Manchurian candidate, right?

00:29:48.000 If you were trying to destroy America from within, what would you do differently than what today's Democrat Party is actually doing?

00:29:56.000 And the answer is nothing. That's scary.

00:29:58.000 But you're right. You see it with Iran. 0.99

00:30:01.000 You see it with Russia and everything going there. 0.99

00:30:04.000 But you wrote a book, you know, Trump versus China.

00:30:07.000 I mean, no conversation like this would be complete without what's going on in China. 1.00

00:30:12.000 Talk about the growing threats from Beijing and how my father, back when it was at his White House, could effectively confront the threat that they posed and perhaps contrast that to what we're seeing from Joe Biden in China.

00:30:29.000 Well, when Claire Christensen and I wrote Trump versus China, we were really surprised.

00:30:35.000 I mean, I've been dealing with China my whole career. 1.00

00:30:38.000 But I realized that President Trump had instinctively understood that they would only respond to strength.

00:30:47.000 That they were our competitors, not our allies.

00:30:50.000 That they routinely would cheat.

00:30:53.000 And he dealt with them appropriately.

00:30:55.000 I mean, he was a very tough, very effective negotiator.

00:30:58.000 I mean, as an example of strength, when they first had, and you know this story, you may even have been there, that when they first had Xi Jinping, the Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party and President of China, and it's important to remember, his jobs come in that order.

00:31:14.000 It is a communist dictatorship.

00:31:17.000 When he had him to Mar-a-Lago for dinner, and he said about halfway through dinner, gee, I've got to step out for a minute.

00:31:25.000 And he went out and briefed the press that we had just fired Tomahawk missiles and destroyed a number of aircraft on some Syrian airfields.

00:31:33.000 And he stepped back in and said, gee, I'm sorry I had to get out, but we had to do this.

00:31:38.000 I am confident that that was all by design.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, when he tells that story, it's pretty amazing.

00:31:46.000 I've got to have him back on the show to actually tell that story because, you know, you're having a great negotiation.

00:31:52.000 They're smart guys, they're tough, whatever it is.

00:31:54.000 Oh, hey, by the way, I just, you know, and they'd been helping sort of Syria at the time.

00:31:58.000 So I was like, hey, we're not doing anything towards you guys, but just wanted to let you know there's a couple Tomahawk missiles in the air.

00:32:04.000 They're going to make landfall in about 30 seconds.

00:32:07.000 And then we went, you know, 59 for 59 or whatever it was.

00:32:11.000 It was like, That was what we call a power move.

00:32:15.000 That was a flex. Yeah, and look, I think you couldn't have sent a better signal about Taiwan.

00:32:22.000 Well, the same thing happens when the Iranians are beginning to really bother us. 1.00

00:32:28.000 We track down Soleimani, who was the head of the Iranian Republican Guard and their chief organizer of terrorism for 20 years.

00:32:37.000 And we tracked him down. It was really amazing, almost like science fiction.

00:32:41.000 They figured out where he was going to be at the airport, in Iraq, at what time, and magically, he got killed.

00:32:49.000 Now, if you're the Iranians and you suddenly realize we could target your top general and actually get him, the Iranians became dramatically more quiet because they all sent the signal, we can do this to you guys. 1.00

00:33:05.000 And of course, so what I thought was impressive, and very much like Reagan, is that President Trump believed in tremendous military strength, but very careful surgical use. 0.99

00:33:18.000 Not getting sloppy, not going out here in a way that, I mean, the idea of playing whack-a-mole with Iranian proxies is just stupid. 0.91

00:33:27.000 We're using million-dollar missiles to stop $100,000 and then $20,000 missiles. 0.99

00:33:35.000 That is a dead loser in the long run.

00:33:37.000 We'll go broke trying to buy enough missiles. 0.84

00:33:41.000 Yeah, no, without question.

00:33:43.000 So, you know, you see what's going on in the House.

00:33:45.000 You see what's going on in Washington, D.C. What parallels do you see between your march to the majority in the 90s, right, and your speakership to what my father is facing in 2024, what the current speaker is facing?

00:33:59.000 What can we learn from 1994 in 2024?

00:34:04.000 Well, I mean, I would say, first of all, the 1994 was standing on Reagan's shoulders.

00:34:10.000 And I think the real parallel to where we are right now is Jimmy Carter and 79-80.

00:34:16.000 Carter was a disaster.

00:34:18.000 He wasn't as big a disaster as Biden, but he was a disaster.

00:34:22.000 Iran, ironically, was in the fight again because they had the hostages, and we had a 444-day hostage crisis.

00:34:29.000 Our military failed trying to rescue the hostages, and we had a very, very painful and difficult disaster in the middle of the Iranian desert.

00:34:39.000 Carter clearly was out of touch with reality.

00:34:42.000 He gave this amazing speech about how we all have to learn to do less.

00:34:47.000 And he was wearing a sweater sitting in front of a fireplace with a firearm.

00:34:51.000 I mean, the average American looked at that and thought, this is all just weird.

00:34:55.000 And along comes Reagan, and two things happened.

00:34:59.000 One was that we nationalized the election.

00:35:02.000 I actually was a freshman member, and I organized the first Capital Steps event and the first contract with America in September of 1980 with Reagan.

00:35:12.000 And we had every federal candidate come in, and we all stood there and pledged to do a handful of things that we knew were very popular.

00:35:18.000 The other thing he did, though, was he made it a national campaign.

00:35:22.000 There was a clear choice.

00:35:24.000 And we built on that, and in 1994, we created a clear choice.

00:35:28.000 Well, if you look at how Democrats are currently voting in the House and in the Senate, and you look at the way issues are evolving, as I said a while ago, you know, when 69% of the country is supportive of Texas, And you know that the Democrats in the House have been trying to get the Speaker to bring up a bill on suspension, applauding Texas and encouraging it, just because the Democrats would then have to line themselves up with the 27%.

00:35:54.000 And I think that we have a real opportunity.

00:35:58.000 One of the things I'm working on I think people are really tired of the fighting and the negativity and the viciousness.

00:36:07.000 The fact that 96 out of the 100 top television shows were NFL football games tells you that people are literally trying to hide from how gruesome and how disgusting and how tiring the whole government political system is.

00:36:23.000 And I think there's an opportunity here for your dad to become the candidate much as Reagan was, right?

00:36:29.000 Reagan was very deliberately the candidate of the future.

00:36:32.000 He talked about an opportunity society.

00:36:34.000 He talked about the, you know, you ain't seen nothing yet.

00:36:37.000 He said America's best days are ahead of it, not behind it.

00:36:41.000 He deliberately contrasted Carter's commitment to malaise and getting by with less.

00:36:46.000 And he said That's not us.

00:36:48.000 That's not who we are. I think we can offer the American people a dramatically better future, and we could be the party of hope and opportunity this fall.

00:37:02.000 And I really, in fact, I'm trying to convince the campaign now that I wish he would spend about a fourth of his time going to places that are creating the future.

00:37:11.000 You look at the Starship, for example.

00:37:14.000 36 rocket engines, the largest vehicle going into space in history, and reusable, so it is the beginning of a crash in cost and a dramatic increase in opportunity.

00:37:28.000 Dr. Mike Roizen just wrote a book called Real Age, and he said that people 20 today will probably live to be at least 115 because of all the biological breakthroughs that are occurring.

00:37:40.000 Artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence are going to give us tools that allow us to dramatically rethink government.

00:37:48.000 I've said to people for a long time, you don't need 26,000 people in the Pentagon.

00:37:54.000 That's the number they had in World War II with manual typewriters, carbon paper, and filing cabinets.

00:38:00.000 You probably could reduce the Pentagon to a triangle and actually have a better defense system.

00:38:05.000 And so, I just think we're at the edge of breakouts that are going to be so unimaginable.

00:38:11.000 And if we became the party of the future, and the party of hope, and the party that said once again, you'd see nothing.

00:38:18.000 And you contrast that.

00:38:20.000 The best example is cars, where President Trump has absolutely taken the right position.

00:38:25.000 6% of the country wants to buy an electric car.

00:38:29.000 The rest of the country thinks, you know, Maybe you want to have it as your round-town car, but you sure don't want to have it as your cross-country car.

00:38:37.000 Being here in South Florida, you wouldn't want to try to escape a hurricane in an electric car.

00:38:42.000 Batteries and electric and water just doesn't work all that well, especially salt water.

00:38:47.000 It's a serious problem.

00:38:50.000 So the very fact that Biden wants to force us To buy the car.

00:38:56.000 He wants to force us not to use a gas stove.

00:38:58.000 I mean, go down the list of things.

00:39:00.000 We can be the party of opportunity that says, you know, you ought to have more choices, not more bureaucracy.

00:39:05.000 You ought to have more opportunity, not more red tape.

00:39:08.000 And I think that gives us a chance this fall to have just a breathtaking election.

00:39:13.000 I certainly hope so.

00:39:15.000 It scares me a little bit, the stat that you said about, you know, 96% of the top viewed things are football games and people are hiding from it because I hope they're not hiding because they're not noticing.

00:39:24.000 I hope they just understand what's actually going on in the world.

00:39:27.000 They're not just listening to, you know, sort of the CNN, let's call it the narrative take, not what's actually happening, but what, you know, the Democrat talking points are about what's happening, which is very different than reality.

00:39:38.000 So if they're hiding from that and believing what they hear in the background, that's scary to me.

00:39:44.000 Well, I think it's just the opposite.

00:39:45.000 I think they know that carjackings are going on.

00:39:48.000 They know that illegal immigration is going on.

00:39:51.000 They know people are dying of drugs.

00:39:54.000 And they know that right now they can't do anything about it and it drives them crazy.

00:39:58.000 And they don't want to wallow in it and they don't want to be immersed in it.

00:40:01.000 But every poll I've seen, people get it.

00:40:05.000 This is why Biden's numbers are so bad.

00:40:07.000 People know this is not working.

00:40:09.000 I think you're right. Listen, I certainly hope so.

00:40:12.000 You would know this better than anyone.

00:40:15.000 Now, it's obviously interesting in the House.

00:40:17.000 You have a two-person majority right now.

00:40:19.000 This is not easy. You're not going to get a lot of the legislation done, but you still control the power of the purse strings.

00:40:25.000 There's a lot that we could be doing if we were together.

00:40:28.000 How do you assess the current state of the House GOP under Speaker Johnson?

00:40:34.000 What would you be doing right now if you were Speaker with a slim majority that he has?

00:40:40.000 And what would you be doing differently?

00:40:42.000 Well, I think with the majority of two, you just have to be really, really careful.

00:40:48.000 And you have to spend most of your time listening and trying to get people to listen to each other

00:40:54.000 and recognize and then you have to pick targets you can actually achieve.

00:40:59.000 And I thought, for example, the tax cut bill that they just passed,

00:41:04.000 which really included precisely the kind of child tax credits that your dad asked for and didn't

00:41:12.000 get out of Nancy Pelosi. And at the same time, every conservative economist I've talked to,

00:41:18.000 including the people at the America First Policy Institute, said that the changes in this bill

00:41:23.000 in terms of capital investment and build a business, small business in particular,

00:41:28.000 were so powerful that it was really a big deal.

00:41:31.000 Well, they got it through with a big bipartisan majority.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, they wouldn't give it to Trump because it was good for the American people, but it would also be good for Trump.

00:41:38.000 So they're willing to throw the American people under the bus to stop Trump from getting a win, which, you know, tells us a lot about Washington, D.C. to begin with.

00:41:48.000 That's right. And I said, we'll see what the Senate does and whether they destroy the bill on the way through.

00:41:54.000 But I think there are things like that.

00:41:56.000 I thought it was very significant that the House Republicans passed H.R. 2, which is a very tough border bill.

00:42:03.000 You know, our goal on the border should be no illegal immigration.

00:42:07.000 And I'm very doubtful about the Senate version, the so-called compromise, because my experience, first of all, my experience is anytime a bill has to be kept secret, you know there are probably bad things in it where they wouldn't have a secret.

00:42:21.000 So we'll see now that it's finally being published.

00:42:24.000 But I'm against a bill which says, well, it's okay to have X thousands a day.

00:42:29.000 Yeah, 5,000 a day.

00:42:30.000 That's like, just so we're clear, I think it was Jay Johnson under Obama.

00:42:34.000 His Homeland Security guy said 1,000 was too much.

00:42:38.000 That was an invasion.

00:42:39.000 That was not sustainable.

00:42:40.000 That was eight years ago.

00:42:43.000 That's not all that long ago.

00:42:45.000 So what changed? 1,000 was unsustainable under a Democrat who was all for illegal immigration as far as I'm concerned, but it was still too much.

00:42:53.000 They recognized that that was not...

00:42:55.000 It was plausible. It was not livable.

00:42:57.000 It was a disaster. But now Republicans are saying, you know what?

00:43:00.000 Five times that number.

00:43:02.000 Forever. Five thousand each and every day.

00:43:05.000 No vetting. Nothing. It's just that's guaranteed.

00:43:08.000 That's two million people a year almost.

00:43:10.000 It's lunacy. Well, and the Iranians have a strong alliance with the Venezuelan dictatorship. 0.98

00:43:17.000 And Biden actually favors Venezuelan illegal immigrants.

00:43:21.000 Yeah, they don't want people from Cuba and people escaping other areas that aren't going to be Democrats. 0.65

00:43:26.000 They're only in favor of illegals who will actually be Democrat voters.

00:43:30.000 That seems like a problem.

00:43:31.000 But beyond that, you've had some senior retired FBI people who just wrote a very serious letter to the president and to the heads of the House and Senate saying, we need to understand how many young males of military age Are now entering the US and we have no idea how many of them potentially form a military force against the United States in a crisis.

00:43:56.000 So one of the dangers is that the Iranians may well have several thousand people Now inside the United States, who if we start taking on Iran, you may suddenly find a mobilization on a way that we just have never thought about. 0.84

00:44:11.000 I mean, these things are really serious.

00:44:13.000 And for some reason, you cannot get the Democrats to understand how dangerous it is to allow millions of people to come in here without any kind of investigation, any kind of checking for public health, or any kind of checking to see whether or not they are potentially terrorists.

00:44:32.000 Yeah, no, I mean, imagine what a few thousand, it is probably much more than that, a few thousand people that could be activated as sleeper cells, what that could do.

00:44:39.000 Just randomly, hey, it's time.

00:44:41.000 You know, some random email account, just go do whatever you can do.

00:44:45.000 You know, figure it out. It doesn't matter.

00:44:47.000 What the damage that could do, the turmoil that that would cause to America and that they know it because they've got hundreds of people that are on terror watch lists that they've caught.

00:44:55.000 Imagine the ones they're not catching.

00:44:57.000 I mean, It's almost so obvious that they're setting this up for, you know, an event that they could weaponize against us, and we're just, you know, stick our head in the sand and pretend like nothing's going on.

00:45:07.000 It's lunacy.

00:45:10.000 It is. I mean, it really makes you think that this is the most irresponsible and most destructive presidency in American history.

00:45:20.000 I think if it passes anything that Buchanan did just before the Civil War, I literally cannot think of any other administration that has taken as many risks with our national survival as the Biden administration has taken.

00:45:34.000 I find it, as a historian, very, very sobering.

00:45:39.000 So, you know, something else you're familiar with, because you probably had to work with them a lot back in the day, but there's a real growing frustration.

00:45:47.000 I see it here in the comments.

00:45:48.000 I see it, you know, from the base, a growing frustration with the RNC. You see sort of the lavish spending reports.

00:45:57.000 You see the, I mean, they have got more consultants, you know, on payroll that I don't know what exactly they do.

00:46:03.000 If anything, I sort of figured the RNC was the consultant, but they're paying consultants all over the place.

00:46:08.000 They're Practically bankrupt going into an election year They're not investing nearly as much going after Democrats or a get-out-the-vote operation that the Democrats are doing that we're going to need.

00:46:23.000 What needs to change?

00:46:25.000 What do the Democrats do well that the Republicans need to emulate, that they need to adapt?

00:46:30.000 Because it does not seem like we're doing it.

00:46:33.000 It seems like everyone in the world, who's not necessarily a politico, but everyone that watches this show, it's the comment that comes up every other comment.

00:46:42.000 They see that it's not working.

00:46:43.000 They see that it's wrong. There's a frustration.

00:46:47.000 What has to happen there?

00:46:49.000 Well, look, I... I have a real bias because I think the Republican consulting class is essentially wrong in how it approaches things.

00:46:59.000 I think that they tend to spend an enormous amount of money in a very short-sighted way.

00:47:06.000 I think their model of how the American people think and work is wrong.

00:47:10.000 And I think that it is a huge challenge.

00:47:15.000 And in many ways, the RNC simply reflects the Republican Party as it has been.

00:47:21.000 You know, we were very fortunate when we ran the contract with America that we had Haley Barber as the RNC chairman and that Haley is a great natural politician.

00:47:33.000 And he was able to help make the contract with America a real factor in 1994.

00:47:39.000 I think that the...

00:47:42.000 Republican National Committee has to have designated assignments and metrics of achievement for it to be effective.

00:47:51.000 And I think all too often, the Republican National Committee members are a club.

00:47:58.000 They're not held accountable.

00:48:00.000 They get reelected at the state level because they've been, some of them have been there because they've been there, and therefore they're going to be there.

00:48:06.000 And their number one job is to make sure they stay there.

00:48:09.000 Yeah, the votes within, you know, there's a hundred, for those who don't know, there's 168 members, I believe.

00:48:14.000 And, you know, when they vote amongst themselves, it's like, if you're not in that club, you're not getting a vote.

00:48:18.000 The vote is quiet.

00:48:19.000 They're silent. They expect the American public to keep giving them more money to do things.

00:48:23.000 But there does not seem to be a level of transparency that we would expect, given, you know, that they're supposed to be representing us.

00:48:31.000 Well, and I think that, I mean, one of the lessons I learned from both Nixon and Reagan is that you have to be noisy.

00:48:38.000 Hmm. They should be the cutting edge of taking on, and frankly, some of their individual staffers do a good job.

00:48:47.000 I get a lot of their emails, and I think that individual staffers are sincere and hardworking and do some pretty good work, which I steal regularly from my newsletters.

00:48:59.000 But overall, they don't have a strategic vision of how you shape all this.

00:49:06.000 You know, when we put together what was a 16-year project that I wrote about in March, the majority, we learned that you had to have a message, you had to have a messenger, and you had to have the machinery to get people turned out.

00:49:22.000 And unless you had all three, you weren't going to win.

00:49:25.000 And I think that the RNC should play a much bigger and more aggressive role because we're not like the Democrats.

00:49:33.000 Democrats have the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC News.

00:49:38.000 They have the Harvard faculty.

00:49:41.000 How about Google? They have Google and Big Tech and Facebook and Instagram and Snapchat.

00:49:49.000 Right. So part of the reason we have to have very, very clear messages is that we can't win a tactical fight of making stuff up every morning.

00:50:01.000 We can win if we say things that are real and that reflect people's lives.

00:50:06.000 That's why the longer...

00:50:09.000 The illegal immigration crisis goes on, the more it's translated into the evening news, the more people realize it, no matter what the national media says.

00:50:19.000 And frankly, most Americans now don't trust the national media.

00:50:23.000 And I attribute part of this, and I'm looking at both Nixon and Trump, it's fascinating because Nixon really was trapped into believing the system somehow would be fair.

00:50:34.000 Your father figured out in 2008 it ain't going to happen that way.

00:50:38.000 And when he invented the term fake news, he really cut through an amazing amount of the baloney.

00:50:44.000 And he allowed his supporters to understand, oh yeah, that is what they're doing.

00:50:49.000 I don't know if I've ever told you, but I... When Callisto was the ambassador to the Vatican, we went up to Turin one weekend.

00:50:56.000 And it turns out they have the second best Egyptian museum outside of Egypt, after the British Museum, just for unique local reasons.

00:51:04.000 So we're going through this museum with a local guide from Turin.

00:51:09.000 And he points over and he says, you see that statue?

00:51:11.000 People are going to tell you X, Y, and Z. He said, well, I want you to know that's fake news.

00:51:17.000 And I said, I thought to myself, I'm standing in Turin, Italy, with an Egyptian museum guide who is using Donald Trump's language.

00:51:25.000 And I thought there was an example of something which penetrated the culture all around the planet.

00:51:31.000 Well, I think you see that.

00:51:33.000 I think you see it with the election of Mille in Argentina and others around the world.

00:51:37.000 People are catching on.

00:51:38.000 They understand that the system has been stacked against them.

00:51:41.000 They understand that the people that were giving them the news aren't unbiased journalists.

00:51:45.000 They're very biased.

00:51:47.000 They very much have an agenda.

00:51:48.000 And so they're getting that.

00:51:51.000 So hopefully, if there's one thing we accomplished in all of this is that we've woken up people to what's actually going on.

00:51:56.000 But I'd like to ask about the primary right now.

00:51:59.000 My father, I mean, he's obviously dominating the primary, but how much would a dominant 50-state primary sweep affect momentum?

00:52:08.000 Because so much of this is momentum, right?

00:52:11.000 But heading into the convention this summer, and why is Nikki Haley out there still pretending she's really in this race?

00:52:18.000 Well, you managed to cover about five different things just now.

00:52:23.000 Probably. I talk a lot.

00:52:25.000 Well, no, you wrapped them all up.

00:52:27.000 So let me try to run through them.

00:52:31.000 I believe, and I've said this to President Trump, every time he wants to say Nikki Haley, he should say Joe Biden.

00:52:38.000 Nikki Haley doesn't exist.

00:52:40.000 She is not a threat. And taking any attention to go after her, it actually reduces him and slows down the process of focusing.

00:52:53.000 I wrote a piece the other day, a newsletter, Gingrich 360, saying this will be the longest general election campaign in history.

00:53:00.000 And he should have, as of New Hampshire, He should have said, okay, I'm clearly going to be the nominee and I'm going to focus only on Joe Biden from here on out.

00:53:10.000 And if Nikki wants to stay around as a hobby, that's certainly her right to stay around and just ignore her. 0.99

00:53:16.000 I mean, what she wants to do is bait him.

00:53:18.000 I mean, she is desperate to get his attention because only by getting into a fight with him does she have any hope of getting anything done.

00:53:25.000 So his best strategy is to say, It's a free country.

00:53:29.000 If she wants to waste a bunch of billionaires' money, that's certainly her prerogative. 0.97

00:53:34.000 And if the billionaires are dumb enough to give it to them, that's their right as Americans. 0.94

00:53:38.000 But that's not going to matter, which I don't think it's going to matter. 0.97

00:53:42.000 I can't imagine her being able to put together a campaign. 0.99

00:53:46.000 I don't think she'll win South Carolina.

00:53:49.000 And once she's lost her own home state, I don't understand the rationale.

00:53:53.000 But here's why she stays in. 1.00

00:53:55.000 Because you just had a major Republican billionaire write a $5 million check.

00:54:01.000 There are people out there who dislike Donald Trump so much that they are prepared to spend huge amounts of money in the absurd hope that they can stop him.

00:54:13.000 They also want to not just stop him, but they want to also be the puppet master for whatever candidate they put in those positions.

00:54:20.000 That seems to be clear.

00:54:22.000 The billionaire class has not served America well.

00:54:24.000 They've exported our American dream.

00:54:27.000 They've given away all our jobs to save two cents on a widget that they could get out of China for a little bit cheaper. 0.77

00:54:34.000 There's a reason... That the billionaires have united against Trump because I think they all actually probably did well under Trump's policies.

00:54:41.000 They just didn't have the control they wanted.

00:54:44.000 And politics for them is very much about control.

00:54:48.000 Well, and these are people who really did make so much money out of China that they can't possibly deal with China in any kind of tough way because it's been the base of their income.

00:54:58.000 Well, and they're so vested there right now.

00:55:00.000 If they took policies that were bad for China, they'd just shut them down.

00:55:03.000 I mean, Apple is beholden.

00:55:05.000 All these major corporations are beholden.

00:55:07.000 They spent years trying to get in there.

00:55:08.000 They give up their IP. They bend the knee to any whim that China has. 0.97

00:55:14.000 And then once they're in, they still got you because they can shut you off like that.

00:55:17.000 They'll take it all. They'll knock it off.

00:55:20.000 And you're done.

00:55:21.000 But that's how they've effectively controlled big corporate in America.

00:55:25.000 Right. So that block of...

00:55:28.000 Our elitists are desperate.

00:55:31.000 And frankly, as you know, if you're that wealthy, $5 million is not a major bite of your income.

00:55:38.000 And so they are propping her up in the hope that something will happen. 0.97

00:55:43.000 I personally think it's foolish. 0.59

00:55:45.000 I think that she would actually be better off to get out of the race. 1.00

00:55:48.000 But I think when she loses her home state, she loses any plausible argument for being a real candidate.

00:55:55.000 So earlier I mentioned how you really helped me with my RNC speech.

00:55:58.000 It was probably some of the best advice I have ever gotten.

00:56:01.000 I was almost in trouble because people were like, can we have him run all...

00:56:04.000 I was like, don't show those articles to my dad.

00:56:07.000 You know, there's only one king, right?

00:56:09.000 Let's just slow down there.

00:56:10.000 I had Rudy. That was the greatest speech ever.

00:56:12.000 I was like, I don't need this headache.

00:56:13.000 You could say it was good.

00:56:15.000 But it went over well. But...

00:56:16.000 Can you give some advice to others?

00:56:19.000 What makes a good political speech?

00:56:21.000 I mean, so many people now, they watch this stuff.

00:56:24.000 They're getting activated. They want to get involved.

00:56:26.000 And again, they may not be running for president, but maybe they're running for their school board.

00:56:30.000 What does it take to connect so well with hardworking Americans?

00:56:34.000 I think my father does a pretty good job of it.

00:56:37.000 What is that missing link for a lot of people?

00:56:40.000 You know, and I think one of the things that helped your dad was that he was so much involved in construction, not just finance.

00:56:47.000 Yeah. He was out there talking to blue-collar workers, talking to guys who did the plumbing, did the bricklaying, you know, did the construction.

00:56:54.000 And he had to learn to communicate at a level that they understood, not at a level that he learned at Wharton.

00:57:02.000 And so I think as a result, then he did The Apprentice, and there he began to really, I think, understand what the American consumer market is like.

00:57:13.000 I used to tell reporters in 15 and 16 that if The Apprentice had been right after Downton Abbey on PBS, they would have understood Trump.

00:57:23.000 But because it was on commercial television, almost no reporter in Washington had ever seen it.

00:57:28.000 And they had no idea how good he was on TV. So I started, I first, one of the great lessons I had was in 1974.

00:57:36.000 I got to spend time with Reagan, and he showed me how he did speeches.

00:57:41.000 And the way Reagan did it is he had thought through ideas that he wanted to talk about, and he would have 60 or 80 4x6 cards in his briefcase.

00:57:53.000 When he got to an audience, he would try to figure out who they were, what they were interested in, and he would take out 20 cards that he thought would work best with that audience.

00:58:03.000 He would then shuffle the cards.

00:58:06.000 And he said, if he gave the same speech every day, he would get bored.

00:58:12.000 People could tell from his body language that he was bored, and they would get bored.

00:58:17.000 Makes sense. But if he didn't know what was following card three, So he had to figure out the bridge between card three and whatever the next card was.

00:58:27.000 He would have adrenaline.

00:58:28.000 He'd be leaning forward because he'd be having to think through, and how am I going to get from this to that?

00:58:33.000 And the result was that people would pay attention to his speech because he was curious what was coming next, so they were curious.

00:58:41.000 Well, I took that model and I got to a point where All of my speeches, with very, very rare exception, are off the cuff.

00:58:49.000 Usually, I take a legal pad, piece of paper, put it in fours, and just write one or two words to trigger each thing.

00:58:58.000 Here's what people need to remember.

00:59:01.000 All communication occurs in the mind of the listener or the reader.

00:59:06.000 So it's not what you say, it's what they hear.

00:59:09.000 Mm-hmm. And so you have to start with, what is it I want them to hear?

00:59:15.000 It has to be in a common language that everybody can understand. 0.99

00:59:19.000 So speaking at a fifth or sixth or seventh grade level isn't a sign that you're stupid. 0.99

00:59:24.000 It's a sign you're really smart. 0.98

00:59:27.000 You have to have, I think, no more than three big themes.

00:59:31.000 And I think the old rule, you start by telling them what you want them to know.

00:59:36.000 You have a middle where you explain it all, and then you close by reminding them what you want them to know.

00:59:42.000 That actually works.

00:59:43.000 Now, I personally also like Q&A. I think when you give audiences a chance to ask questions, they get excited because now they're in charge and they have much more adrenaline.

00:59:56.000 So I try very hard not to give speeches where it's just me talking and then I get off stage.

01:00:03.000 Those are some basic ideas.

01:00:05.000 No, I think that's important. I do the same thing.

01:00:07.000 I don't even have bullet points anymore, and it actually caused some problems for me when I used to open up for a Mike Pence or something like that, because guys that are a little bit more programmatic, well, what's he going to say next?

01:00:17.000 He'll keep going. It doesn't matter.

01:00:18.000 We have no idea, but it also kept it fresh for me, where there are guys that are A little bit more formulaic politicians that after about two days traveling with them, I can give their speech.

01:00:28.000 And you're right, because it's the same thing, it's just regurgitated.

01:00:32.000 Authenticity seems to be everything.

01:00:34.000 And if you're just memorized it and delivering the same old rote line, you lose a lot of the authenticity.

01:00:41.000 But what I'd like to... On the flip side of all of that, what do you think motivates the unhinged Trump derangement and rage that we see from the left?

01:00:52.000 I mean, I still can't figure out.

01:00:53.000 We may disagree on a lot, but Democrats in the past, at least, I felt like we wanted some of the same things.

01:01:00.000 Is wanting a secure border so disastrous?

01:01:03.000 Higher wages for the lowest income earners, is that so terrible?

01:01:05.000 I don't understand.

01:01:07.000 What is it that those guys are hearing that enrages them so badly?

01:01:13.000 Well, I think it's two very different things, one of which you may not want to comment on.

01:01:19.000 I think one of them is that he is the greatest mortal threat to the old order that we have seen in my lifetime.

01:01:28.000 Much bigger threat than Reagan, much bigger threat certainly than we were with the contract.

01:01:33.000 And so they are genuinely terrified.

01:01:36.000 These are people who spent their entire lifetime creating an anti-American movement that they

01:01:41.000 deeply passionately believe in. I mean, they're very sincere in that sense. And all of a sudden,

01:01:46.000 they're facing a guy who has the courage to take them head on, who is smart enough to figure out

01:01:52.000 strategies that break them up, and who could literally mean the end of the world they've

01:01:57.000 spent their entire lifetime trying to build. So part of it is a genuine fear reaction.

01:02:03.000 And therefore, it gets translated into hatred because he could literally destroy their world.

01:02:10.000 The other thing which he compounds, which none of us have any ability to get him to quit doing, is he cannot help being outrageous.

01:02:19.000 Hey, listen, you're right.

01:02:22.000 I probably can't comment, but I'm not going to argue with you.

01:02:25.000 And so what he does is where...

01:02:29.000 Reagan had a knack of being so pleasant. 0.97

01:02:32.000 That even as he was taking apart the Soviet Empire, for example, he could meet with Gorbachev, and there wasn't, although the one time they met in Reykjavik, we had a movie called Rendezvous of Destiny about Reagan, and we had this great video where Reagan is standing next to the Soviet limousine, and he is putting his finger in Gorbachev's chest, and with great anger, he's saying to him, you had a chance to have a real deal, and you blew it.

01:03:00.000 It's the only time I've ever seen Reagan really angry.

01:03:04.000 But Reagan would have never done some of the things.

01:03:09.000 And some of it I think your dad does because it's either entertaining or it reflects something.

01:03:17.000 Some of it I think he does just because he has this instinctive counterpunch approach.

01:03:25.000 Well, and a lot of what they said about him has just been lies, right?

01:03:28.000 You know, the pee tape.

01:03:31.000 He's a Russian asset.

01:03:32.000 They wanted to put me in jail for treason, you know, crime punishable by death.

01:03:37.000 They're trying to put him in jail.

01:03:38.000 So when people are like, I don't love his demeanor, I'm like, you know what, if they went after you the way they went after him, which is unlike any other American politician ever, And his family, and everyone, and lied about him.

01:03:50.000 And then it all comes out true, and there's no accountability, no consequence, there's no ramifications.

01:03:54.000 You know what? I don't know.

01:03:56.000 Your attitude would be different, too.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, there's a great line from the German poet, Rilke, who said, if you drive away my demons, will my angels leave also?

01:04:06.000 And I would say that if President Trump wasn't so aggressive a counterpuncher, he might not still be standing.

01:04:14.000 Correct. How do you do it?

01:04:16.000 It's like it's just him because he is a fighter.

01:04:19.000 And it's instinctive.

01:04:22.000 But I think on balance, he is so important to the future of the country.

01:04:29.000 And he is the only person I've met.

01:04:31.000 I've been at this business since August of 1958.

01:04:36.000 And I worked closely with Reagan.

01:04:38.000 I knew Nixon pretty well.

01:04:40.000 I knew both of the Bushes some.

01:04:43.000 Trump is the only person I've met who I think has the sheer courage to take the beating, keep coming, and potentially genuinely get the country back on track.

01:04:54.000 And that's why I've always stuck with him, even on days when I'm so mad at him I can't stand it.

01:05:00.000 I know that underneath those things there is this He's an enormously patriotic, deeply intelligent person who is doing everything he can to help this country survive and remain free.

01:05:14.000 And you can put up with a fair amount if you think that's true.

01:05:17.000 And I don't think there's any replacement for him.

01:05:19.000 I think he's unique.

01:05:22.000 He's definitely unique.

01:05:23.000 It seems like a man for the times as well.

01:05:25.000 But, you know, recently there were comments from, you know, very Democrat, Van Jones, saying that basically young, radical Democrats aren't actually on board with Biden, basically because they feel he's not anti-Israel enough, he's not radical enough.

01:05:41.000 Is that where Democrats are today? 0.60

01:05:44.000 Or is that just what we see?

01:05:46.000 I mean, I know there's blue-collar Democrats around America that are great, but I feel like that party has left them.

01:05:54.000 Is the party in charge, and maybe their representation, whether you see it from Ilhan Omar like this week and all the insanity, are they there to now appease the most extreme elements of their party just to cling to power?

01:06:09.000 Can you talk about that evolution of the Democrat Party, say, you know, from...

01:06:14.000 When you started out to where they are now?

01:06:17.000 Well, look, when I started out, they were still at a huge conservative wing.

01:06:21.000 When we passed Reagan's programs, we had about a third of the Democrats in the House voting with us.

01:06:28.000 Most of those gradually became Republicans.

01:06:33.000 I think what you have today is three factions in the Democratic Party.

01:06:37.000 You have a rapidly shrinking...

01:06:40.000 Moderate faction, blue collar workers, Latinos, Asian-Americans, all of whom, and frankly, a rising number of African-American males who really aren't part of where the left is going.

01:06:57.000 Then you have the Tammany Hall corrupt faction who get so much money out of government.

01:07:04.000 Remember, this government spends over $4 trillion a year.

01:07:09.000 So there are a lot of people who are at the trough, and they'll put up with almost anything because they want to get more money.

01:07:15.000 Yeah, and that's before you get to Bob Menendez and the gold bars under his bed.

01:07:19.000 We're talking about people who have sort of honest graft as opposed to people who have dishonest graft.

01:07:24.000 And then third, you have this rapidly rising, very militant, self-assured, and very aggressive left wing.

01:07:34.000 And that's what we're up against.

01:07:36.000 And I think what makes them so powerful is people in their own party are afraid of them because they are so hostile and they are so aggressive.

01:07:45.000 And I think the result is there's this constant pressure pushing Biden and others to the left and pushing them away from the American people.

01:07:54.000 That's the other part of this, is you have to recognize that these people do not represent the values of more than 15 to 20 percent of the country.

01:08:02.000 And if we can run a campaign this fall that makes that clear enough, it'll be a catastrophic election for the Democrats.

01:08:10.000 So what voting blocks do you think my father can make the biggest gains?

01:08:14.000 You mentioned, you know, obviously Latinos seem to be going good, African American men.

01:08:18.000 I'm sort of shocked it's not the women. 0.81

01:08:20.000 You know, and what's your closing message to them?

01:08:23.000 Because I think that is important, that they're sort of, you know, waking up from sort of the bonds of the Democrat Party, where they always voted, not because they were actually doing anything for you, but that was, you know...

01:08:33.000 They controlled every resource in urban.

01:08:36.000 Your pastor was on the Democrat Party payroll, and so you sort of listened to them because you assumed they were getting good advice.

01:08:41.000 I see it with union leadership versus union membership.

01:08:48.000 Unfettered illegal immigration, we don't think that's bad. 1.00

01:08:50.000 That came from the union bosses this week.

01:08:53.000 And I'm like, wait, you don't think that's bad for American workers?

01:08:56.000 Like, are you out of your mind?

01:08:57.000 And yet these people pay dues.

01:08:59.000 Those dues are used to fund Democrat policies that...

01:09:02.000 We'll make them extinct.

01:09:04.000 It's insane. It is. 0.95

01:09:06.000 I mean, for the UAW to be for Biden, given Biden's position on electric vehicles, which involves 40% less labor than internal combustion engine vehicles, it makes no sense at all.

01:09:18.000 I would say this.

01:09:21.000 The simplest message this fall is, do you really want 8 million more illegals? 0.99

01:09:27.000 Do you really want continued increase in the cost of your food and your gasoline?

01:09:32.000 Do you really want another 100,000 a year dying of drug overdoses?

01:09:36.000 Do you really want America being driven out of the world by aggressive hostile dictatorships that we're not willing to stand up to?

01:09:45.000 And if that's the world you want, then you've got a great person in Joe Biden because that's what he's going to do.

01:09:51.000 Yeah. But I think you're going to find that that message shrinks the Democratic vote, whether among suburban women, among African Americans, among Latinos.

01:10:01.000 And I think the biggest gains, proportionally, will probably be from Latinos.

01:10:05.000 I think that they, you know, Latinos who came here legally, and Calissa and I are doing a project right now called Journey to America, About people who came here legally, who make this a great country because they obey the rules.

01:10:19.000 They're actually as militant about illegal immigration as anybody else.

01:10:23.000 Maybe more so than some that I've spent with.

01:10:25.000 Oh yeah, and partly because they came here to get away from the people who are now coming here. 0.90

01:10:31.000 They don't want the criminals, they don't want the drug dealers, they don't want the cartels.

01:10:35.000 And so I think that that message has to be there are two futures.

01:10:40.000 There is a great American future with, frankly, an extraordinary level of opportunity that's right around the corner with the right policies.

01:10:49.000 And there is a continuing disaster that will get worse, not better, over the next four years.

01:10:55.000 And you get to decide which future you want, and you do that by voting.

01:10:59.000 I love it. Well, Mr.

01:11:00.000 Speaker, thank you so much for your sage advice and for your time.

01:11:04.000 I really appreciate it.

01:11:05.000 Look forward to definitely having you on more as this heats up because we are early in what's going to be a very long and very aggressive year.

01:11:16.000 So just always appreciate your advice, your support, your friendship.

01:11:19.000 It means the world to us.

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March to the Majority and the MAGA future, Interview with Newt Gingrich | TRIGGERED Ep.107

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