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00:05:53.000hey guys welcome to another huge huge episode of triggered Today we're joined by former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
00:06:02.000Newt is the author of March to the Majority, the real story of the Republican Revolution.
00:06:08.000He's been a staunch warrior for the America First movement.
00:06:11.000He understands what's at stake in 2024.
00:06:14.000He knows the ins and outs of Washington as well as anyone else.
00:06:20.000A true strategist, someone that we rely on, someone who gets it.
00:06:25.000There's a lot of people that talk about it from the outside that don't exactly understand Washington, but they'd love whatever they're thinking to be the case.
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00:10:45.000Back in 2015 and 2016, the Speaker gave me some of the best advice I ever got.
00:10:50.000It was about my 2016 Republican National Convention speech.
00:10:55.000And I had worked hard and tirelessly to do this speech, but I had a little bit of my, you know, Ivy League ego background, and I had this thing, and he said, this is a great speech.
00:11:06.000Take every five-syllable word and make it two-syllable.
00:11:16.000I know I've done that in the past, but I always love to give credit in public, which is not very a Trumpian kind of thing to do, but I appreciate that.
00:11:23.000I figured you'd know the difference. I do, and having it come from a Trump is truly an impressive moment.
00:11:33.000Speaker. This is a rare moment of weakness, but tell me what's going on.
00:11:39.000What do you think's out there right now?
00:11:41.000Well, I think that the country is just in a state of shock.
00:11:46.000At Biden's inability to deal with the border, his inability to deal with Iran, the notion that we have three young Americans killed by Iranian proxies, so Biden's reaction is to attack Israeli settlers on the West Bank.
00:12:03.000I mean, everything that's going on right now is crazy.
00:12:06.000The fact that the group of illegal immigrants beat up several New York policemen, were released without bail, and we think at least four of them have now fled New York.
00:12:18.000The average normal person looks at all this, you know, Washington, D.C., which I hope your dad is going to totally clean up, and which I cleaned up when I was speaker, has decayed to a point where they had 950 carjackings last year.
00:14:32.000Somebody said that Eagle Pass had now dropped to fewer than 200 illegal immigrants a day from what had been thousands.
00:14:39.000And in fact, the cartels have figured out that Texas is too hard and they've moved their effort to bring illegal immigrants to the U.S. to Arizona and California.
00:14:51.000And I think we should be challenging the Democratic governors of New Mexico, Arizona, and California to bring their National Guard and their state police to the border.
00:15:03.000And I think we should seriously be looking at a bill in Congress That would compensate the states for doing the federal government's job.
00:16:31.000And in fact, when you ask how strongly do you feel, 52% of the American people are strongly in favor of Texas, and only 15% are strongly for the federal government.
00:16:44.000The governor of South Dakota Sending Barbara extra wire to Texas because agriculturally they have a lot of it in South Dakota.
00:16:55.000And then, frankly, Governor DeSantis sending a battalion of the Florida National Guard to help Governor Abbott.
00:17:01.000I think what you're seeing, I think 25 Republican governors now have sent a letter to Biden siding with Abbott and saying, if you're not going to do your job, then don't go after him for doing what should be your job.
00:18:11.000You know, that was obviously during the Trump administration.
00:18:13.000It was easy to get clicks, to get love from the media and the press and, you know, probably record labels if you went after Trump.
00:18:20.000But now, after three years of Biden, you're seeing results.
00:18:24.000What stock do you put in those polls and what you see out there right now?
00:18:28.000Well, I think as a general indicator, if you get four or five or six of them saying the same thing, it's probably pretty true.
00:18:37.000You know, I always like to see the initial results when the actual people show up.
00:18:42.000So I talked to your dad early on the day of the Iowa caucus, and I said, I think you're going to be between 53% and 60%, which were numbers that Matt Tower had given me.
00:18:54.000I said, but frankly, and having been there, both as a candidate and helping other candidates, I said, until you see who goes out on that cold night and who actually stands there, you don't know.
00:19:06.000You know what the poll says, but the caucus is different.
00:19:11.000The same thing happened in New Hampshire.
00:19:14.000And I think that, you know, again, I'm always amazed.
00:19:18.000You know, he wins by 12 points in New Hampshire, and Nikki promptly claims that she's the winner.
00:19:26.000When Democrats are literally flipping their vote for like 12 hours, you know, they signed up to be Republicans for a few hours so they could vote for Nikki Haley.
00:19:33.000And they're literally on TV on record saying, oh, yeah, no, I'm doing this.
00:19:35.000I'm just trying to stop Trump, not actually voting for Nikki Haley.
00:19:54.000And so my working assumption is that President Trump will be the nominee, period.
00:20:03.000Barring some extraordinarily terrible health situation, I can't imagine any circumstance where he's not going to be the nominee.
00:20:12.000This, of course, drives the left crazy.
00:20:14.000I've been doing a series at the American Spectator Starting in 1960, how we got so out of whack in terms of the left and the universities and the FBI and the judges.
00:20:26.000The parallels between the hatred for Nixon and the hatred for Trump are just amazing.
00:20:33.000The left understands that he is the end of their world.
00:20:37.000I mean, if you are for radical left-wing ideas, this is a matter of life and death.
00:20:43.000So I thought it was very revealing the other day when James Carville, the Democratic consultant, said, we have to take a meat cleaver to him.
00:20:53.000It just gave you that sense of, you know, you can think of all the trials as meat cleavers.
00:20:58.000You think of everything that's being done to him.
00:22:39.000Even if it's the right thing to do, even if it would be legally correct, there's a true social consequence to them for actually doing the right thing.
00:23:49.000We're now getting to see it at every level.
00:23:52.000You know, I just saw an article this morning that the prosecutor who has been going after your father, who released the illegal immigrants who beat up two policemen.
00:24:08.000No bail. He now wants to retry the chief financial officer of the Trump company.
00:24:16.000And you have to say to yourself, you know, this is such corrupt, blatant politics that I think what it does is it undermines belief in the law.
00:24:27.000And I think that increasingly people understand that this entire episode is about politics and power.
00:24:34.000We're replacing the rule of law with the rule of power.
00:24:38.000And that is really dangerous in a free society.
00:24:43.000Yeah, people have to understand that, right?
00:24:45.000When you do that, there's a point where there is no return, right?
00:24:50.000The pendulum swings too far and you never actually get it back.
00:24:54.000Once that becomes the norm, that's the norm in perpetuity, you know, barring quite literally some sort of revolution.
00:25:03.000Without a revolution, that becomes the norm and the America you know and love ceases to exist as we know it.
00:25:12.000You know, Admiral Cunningham, who was in charge of the British Navy off of Crete, was told that if they stayed and tried to help evacuate the troops that were on the island, that they might lose so many ships to the German Air Force that they would literally lose the ability to control the Eastern Mediterranean.
00:25:33.000And he thought for about 30 seconds and he said, you know, it takes two years to build a ship.
00:25:38.000It takes 200 years to build a tradition and we're not leaving.
00:25:45.000We had founding fathers who created this astonishing instrument called the Constitution.
00:25:51.000We have been the freest people in the world.
00:25:54.000We have expanded participation as a citizen to every background,
00:25:59.000every religious background, every racial background, to men and women.
00:26:04.000And we established a structure of freedom.
00:26:07.000And the reason I'm doing this series at the American Spectator is I began to be curious about around 1960, the left began to just attack and undermine the entire American system.
00:26:21.000And these are people who hate America.
00:26:24.000Biden wants millions of illegal immigrants.
00:26:39.000We lose today over 100,000 young Americans a year to drug overdose, which is more than we lost in eight years in Vietnam.
00:26:50.000It's now such a disaster that Portland has declared a drug emergency.
00:26:57.000San Francisco is going through the same cycle.
00:27:00.000And all of a sudden, all these liberal ideas that were supposed to work are turning out to be cancers that are eating at the very core of our society.
00:27:09.000Well, I saw, what was it, Oregon is, they're shocked that legalizing heroin has not, in fact, reduced, I mean, I'm like, what, how do these people get elected into office?
00:27:22.000There's, you know, the only thing, you know, not common in D.C. and in government these days is sense.
00:27:29.000Common sense is totally out the window and missing.
00:27:33.000Well, on the left, they live in an alternative fantasy world.
00:27:36.000I always tell people that liberals can't deal with violence, whether it's criminals or terrorists or countries, because they saw The Lion King and they thought it was a documentary.
00:27:48.000And they actually think that lions and zebras sing and dance together.
00:27:54.000And when we try to explain to them that lions actually eat zebras, they go, no, no.
00:28:26.000No, they give them $6 billion, and they say, no, no, no, that money's for aid.
00:28:31.000They don't even understand that money's fungible.
00:28:33.000If you get $6 billion here, maybe you use it for aid and it's locked up, but that frees up $6 billion that they were going to have to spend on aid or food or whatever it was, and And they don't even put that together.
00:28:44.000I mean, the frustration I get watching these things and watching how far it's fallen, how far it's slipped away, it's truly sad, actually, at this point.
00:28:54.000Now I'm watching Americans actually getting killed, and they don't get that it's because they've exuded such weakness they're almost encouraging our enemies to attack.
00:29:03.000Well, remember, when they lifted the sanctions on buying oil, they enriched Iran unbelievably.
00:29:09.000I think they went from about $4 or $5 billion in total currency when your dad left office to around $70 billion today because Biden lifted the sanctions on oil.
00:29:21.000And then he turns around this last week.
00:29:23.000And he announces that we're going to stop any more liquid natural gas facilities for exporting liquid natural gas to Europe, etc.
00:29:32.000All of that makes Russia and Iran richer.
00:29:35.000It's almost like they sit around the White House and say, what is it we can do to strengthen our enemies and weaken our allies?
00:29:44.000If you were, you know, the proverbial, you know, Manchurian candidate, right?
00:29:48.000If you were trying to destroy America from within, what would you do differently than what today's Democrat Party is actually doing?
00:29:56.000And the answer is nothing. That's scary.
00:29:58.000But you're right. You see it with Iran.
00:30:01.000You see it with Russia and everything going there.
00:30:04.000But you wrote a book, you know, Trump versus China.
00:30:07.000I mean, no conversation like this would be complete without what's going on in China.
00:30:12.000Talk about the growing threats from Beijing and how my father, back when it was at his White House, could effectively confront the threat that they posed and perhaps contrast that to what we're seeing from Joe Biden in China.
00:30:29.000Well, when Claire Christensen and I wrote Trump versus China, we were really surprised.
00:30:35.000I mean, I've been dealing with China my whole career.
00:30:38.000But I realized that President Trump had instinctively understood that they would only respond to strength.
00:30:47.000That they were our competitors, not our allies.
00:30:55.000I mean, he was a very tough, very effective negotiator.
00:30:58.000I mean, as an example of strength, when they first had, and you know this story, you may even have been there, that when they first had Xi Jinping, the Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party and President of China, and it's important to remember, his jobs come in that order.
00:31:17.000When he had him to Mar-a-Lago for dinner, and he said about halfway through dinner, gee, I've got to step out for a minute.
00:31:25.000And he went out and briefed the press that we had just fired Tomahawk missiles and destroyed a number of aircraft on some Syrian airfields.
00:31:33.000And he stepped back in and said, gee, I'm sorry I had to get out, but we had to do this.
00:31:38.000I am confident that that was all by design.
00:31:42.000Yeah, when he tells that story, it's pretty amazing.
00:31:46.000I've got to have him back on the show to actually tell that story because, you know, you're having a great negotiation.
00:31:52.000They're smart guys, they're tough, whatever it is.
00:31:54.000Oh, hey, by the way, I just, you know, and they'd been helping sort of Syria at the time.
00:31:58.000So I was like, hey, we're not doing anything towards you guys, but just wanted to let you know there's a couple Tomahawk missiles in the air.
00:32:04.000They're going to make landfall in about 30 seconds.
00:32:07.000And then we went, you know, 59 for 59 or whatever it was.
00:32:11.000It was like, That was what we call a power move.
00:32:15.000That was a flex. Yeah, and look, I think you couldn't have sent a better signal about Taiwan.
00:32:22.000Well, the same thing happens when the Iranians are beginning to really bother us.
00:32:28.000We track down Soleimani, who was the head of the Iranian Republican Guard and their chief organizer of terrorism for 20 years.
00:32:37.000And we tracked him down. It was really amazing, almost like science fiction.
00:32:41.000They figured out where he was going to be at the airport, in Iraq, at what time, and magically, he got killed.
00:32:49.000Now, if you're the Iranians and you suddenly realize we could target your top general and actually get him, the Iranians became dramatically more quiet because they all sent the signal, we can do this to you guys.
00:33:05.000And of course, so what I thought was impressive, and very much like Reagan, is that President Trump believed in tremendous military strength, but very careful surgical use.
00:33:18.000Not getting sloppy, not going out here in a way that, I mean, the idea of playing whack-a-mole with Iranian proxies is just stupid.
00:33:27.000We're using million-dollar missiles to stop $100,000 and then $20,000 missiles.
00:33:43.000So, you know, you see what's going on in the House.
00:33:45.000You see what's going on in Washington, D.C. What parallels do you see between your march to the majority in the 90s, right, and your speakership to what my father is facing in 2024, what the current speaker is facing?
00:34:18.000He wasn't as big a disaster as Biden, but he was a disaster.
00:34:22.000Iran, ironically, was in the fight again because they had the hostages, and we had a 444-day hostage crisis.
00:34:29.000Our military failed trying to rescue the hostages, and we had a very, very painful and difficult disaster in the middle of the Iranian desert.
00:34:39.000Carter clearly was out of touch with reality.
00:34:42.000He gave this amazing speech about how we all have to learn to do less.
00:34:47.000And he was wearing a sweater sitting in front of a fireplace with a firearm.
00:34:51.000I mean, the average American looked at that and thought, this is all just weird.
00:34:55.000And along comes Reagan, and two things happened.
00:34:59.000One was that we nationalized the election.
00:35:02.000I actually was a freshman member, and I organized the first Capital Steps event and the first contract with America in September of 1980 with Reagan.
00:35:12.000And we had every federal candidate come in, and we all stood there and pledged to do a handful of things that we knew were very popular.
00:35:18.000The other thing he did, though, was he made it a national campaign.
00:35:24.000And we built on that, and in 1994, we created a clear choice.
00:35:28.000Well, if you look at how Democrats are currently voting in the House and in the Senate, and you look at the way issues are evolving, as I said a while ago, you know, when 69% of the country is supportive of Texas, And you know that the Democrats in the House have been trying to get the Speaker to bring up a bill on suspension, applauding Texas and encouraging it, just because the Democrats would then have to line themselves up with the 27%.
00:35:54.000And I think that we have a real opportunity.
00:35:58.000One of the things I'm working on I think people are really tired of the fighting and the negativity and the viciousness.
00:36:07.000The fact that 96 out of the 100 top television shows were NFL football games tells you that people are literally trying to hide from how gruesome and how disgusting and how tiring the whole government political system is.
00:36:23.000And I think there's an opportunity here for your dad to become the candidate much as Reagan was, right?
00:36:29.000Reagan was very deliberately the candidate of the future.
00:36:32.000He talked about an opportunity society.
00:36:34.000He talked about the, you know, you ain't seen nothing yet.
00:36:37.000He said America's best days are ahead of it, not behind it.
00:36:41.000He deliberately contrasted Carter's commitment to malaise and getting by with less.
00:36:48.000That's not who we are. I think we can offer the American people a dramatically better future, and we could be the party of hope and opportunity this fall.
00:37:02.000And I really, in fact, I'm trying to convince the campaign now that I wish he would spend about a fourth of his time going to places that are creating the future.
00:37:11.000You look at the Starship, for example.
00:37:14.00036 rocket engines, the largest vehicle going into space in history, and reusable, so it is the beginning of a crash in cost and a dramatic increase in opportunity.
00:37:28.000Dr. Mike Roizen just wrote a book called Real Age, and he said that people 20 today will probably live to be at least 115 because of all the biological breakthroughs that are occurring.
00:37:40.000Artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence are going to give us tools that allow us to dramatically rethink government.
00:37:48.000I've said to people for a long time, you don't need 26,000 people in the Pentagon.
00:37:54.000That's the number they had in World War II with manual typewriters, carbon paper, and filing cabinets.
00:38:00.000You probably could reduce the Pentagon to a triangle and actually have a better defense system.
00:38:05.000And so, I just think we're at the edge of breakouts that are going to be so unimaginable.
00:38:11.000And if we became the party of the future, and the party of hope, and the party that said once again, you'd see nothing.
00:38:20.000The best example is cars, where President Trump has absolutely taken the right position.
00:38:25.0006% of the country wants to buy an electric car.
00:38:29.000The rest of the country thinks, you know, Maybe you want to have it as your round-town car, but you sure don't want to have it as your cross-country car.
00:38:37.000Being here in South Florida, you wouldn't want to try to escape a hurricane in an electric car.
00:38:42.000Batteries and electric and water just doesn't work all that well, especially salt water.
00:39:15.000It scares me a little bit, the stat that you said about, you know, 96% of the top viewed things are football games and people are hiding from it because I hope they're not hiding because they're not noticing.
00:39:24.000I hope they just understand what's actually going on in the world.
00:39:27.000They're not just listening to, you know, sort of the CNN, let's call it the narrative take, not what's actually happening, but what, you know, the Democrat talking points are about what's happening, which is very different than reality.
00:39:38.000So if they're hiding from that and believing what they hear in the background, that's scary to me.
00:40:09.000I think you're right. Listen, I certainly hope so.
00:40:12.000You would know this better than anyone.
00:40:15.000Now, it's obviously interesting in the House.
00:40:17.000You have a two-person majority right now.
00:40:19.000This is not easy. You're not going to get a lot of the legislation done, but you still control the power of the purse strings.
00:40:25.000There's a lot that we could be doing if we were together.
00:40:28.000How do you assess the current state of the House GOP under Speaker Johnson?
00:40:34.000What would you be doing right now if you were Speaker with a slim majority that he has?
00:40:40.000And what would you be doing differently?
00:40:42.000Well, I think with the majority of two, you just have to be really, really careful.
00:40:48.000And you have to spend most of your time listening and trying to get people to listen to each other
00:40:54.000and recognize and then you have to pick targets you can actually achieve.
00:40:59.000And I thought, for example, the tax cut bill that they just passed,
00:41:04.000which really included precisely the kind of child tax credits that your dad asked for and didn't
00:41:12.000get out of Nancy Pelosi. And at the same time, every conservative economist I've talked to,
00:41:18.000including the people at the America First Policy Institute, said that the changes in this bill
00:41:23.000in terms of capital investment and build a business, small business in particular,
00:41:28.000were so powerful that it was really a big deal.
00:41:31.000Well, they got it through with a big bipartisan majority.
00:41:34.000Yeah, they wouldn't give it to Trump because it was good for the American people, but it would also be good for Trump.
00:41:38.000So they're willing to throw the American people under the bus to stop Trump from getting a win, which, you know, tells us a lot about Washington, D.C. to begin with.
00:41:48.000That's right. And I said, we'll see what the Senate does and whether they destroy the bill on the way through.
00:41:54.000But I think there are things like that.
00:41:56.000I thought it was very significant that the House Republicans passed H.R. 2, which is a very tough border bill.
00:42:03.000You know, our goal on the border should be no illegal immigration.
00:42:07.000And I'm very doubtful about the Senate version, the so-called compromise, because my experience, first of all, my experience is anytime a bill has to be kept secret, you know there are probably bad things in it where they wouldn't have a secret.
00:42:21.000So we'll see now that it's finally being published.
00:42:24.000But I'm against a bill which says, well, it's okay to have X thousands a day.
00:42:45.000So what changed? 1,000 was unsustainable under a Democrat who was all for illegal immigration as far as I'm concerned, but it was still too much.
00:43:31.000But beyond that, you've had some senior retired FBI people who just wrote a very serious letter to the president and to the heads of the House and Senate saying, we need to understand how many young males of military age Are now entering the US and we have no idea how many of them potentially form a military force against the United States in a crisis.
00:43:56.000So one of the dangers is that the Iranians may well have several thousand people Now inside the United States, who if we start taking on Iran, you may suddenly find a mobilization on a way that we just have never thought about.
00:44:11.000I mean, these things are really serious.
00:44:13.000And for some reason, you cannot get the Democrats to understand how dangerous it is to allow millions of people to come in here without any kind of investigation, any kind of checking for public health, or any kind of checking to see whether or not they are potentially terrorists.
00:44:32.000Yeah, no, I mean, imagine what a few thousand, it is probably much more than that, a few thousand people that could be activated as sleeper cells, what that could do.
00:44:41.000You know, some random email account, just go do whatever you can do.
00:44:45.000You know, figure it out. It doesn't matter.
00:44:47.000What the damage that could do, the turmoil that that would cause to America and that they know it because they've got hundreds of people that are on terror watch lists that they've caught.
00:44:55.000Imagine the ones they're not catching.
00:44:57.000I mean, It's almost so obvious that they're setting this up for, you know, an event that they could weaponize against us, and we're just, you know, stick our head in the sand and pretend like nothing's going on.
00:45:10.000It is. I mean, it really makes you think that this is the most irresponsible and most destructive presidency in American history.
00:45:20.000I think if it passes anything that Buchanan did just before the Civil War, I literally cannot think of any other administration that has taken as many risks with our national survival as the Biden administration has taken.
00:45:34.000I find it, as a historian, very, very sobering.
00:45:39.000So, you know, something else you're familiar with, because you probably had to work with them a lot back in the day, but there's a real growing frustration.
00:45:48.000I see it, you know, from the base, a growing frustration with the RNC. You see sort of the lavish spending reports.
00:45:57.000You see the, I mean, they have got more consultants, you know, on payroll that I don't know what exactly they do.
00:46:03.000If anything, I sort of figured the RNC was the consultant, but they're paying consultants all over the place.
00:46:08.000They're Practically bankrupt going into an election year They're not investing nearly as much going after Democrats or a get-out-the-vote operation that the Democrats are doing that we're going to need.
00:46:25.000What do the Democrats do well that the Republicans need to emulate, that they need to adapt?
00:46:30.000Because it does not seem like we're doing it.
00:46:33.000It seems like everyone in the world, who's not necessarily a politico, but everyone that watches this show, it's the comment that comes up every other comment.
00:46:49.000Well, look, I... I have a real bias because I think the Republican consulting class is essentially wrong in how it approaches things.
00:46:59.000I think that they tend to spend an enormous amount of money in a very short-sighted way.
00:47:06.000I think their model of how the American people think and work is wrong.
00:47:10.000And I think that it is a huge challenge.
00:47:15.000And in many ways, the RNC simply reflects the Republican Party as it has been.
00:47:21.000You know, we were very fortunate when we ran the contract with America that we had Haley Barber as the RNC chairman and that Haley is a great natural politician.
00:47:33.000And he was able to help make the contract with America a real factor in 1994.
00:48:00.000They get reelected at the state level because they've been, some of them have been there because they've been there, and therefore they're going to be there.
00:48:06.000And their number one job is to make sure they stay there.
00:48:09.000Yeah, the votes within, you know, there's a hundred, for those who don't know, there's 168 members, I believe.
00:48:14.000And, you know, when they vote amongst themselves, it's like, if you're not in that club, you're not getting a vote.
00:48:19.000They're silent. They expect the American public to keep giving them more money to do things.
00:48:23.000But there does not seem to be a level of transparency that we would expect, given, you know, that they're supposed to be representing us.
00:48:31.000Well, and I think that, I mean, one of the lessons I learned from both Nixon and Reagan is that you have to be noisy.
00:48:38.000Hmm. They should be the cutting edge of taking on, and frankly, some of their individual staffers do a good job.
00:48:47.000I get a lot of their emails, and I think that individual staffers are sincere and hardworking and do some pretty good work, which I steal regularly from my newsletters.
00:48:59.000But overall, they don't have a strategic vision of how you shape all this.
00:49:06.000You know, when we put together what was a 16-year project that I wrote about in March, the majority, we learned that you had to have a message, you had to have a messenger, and you had to have the machinery to get people turned out.
00:49:22.000And unless you had all three, you weren't going to win.
00:49:25.000And I think that the RNC should play a much bigger and more aggressive role because we're not like the Democrats.
00:49:33.000Democrats have the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC News.
00:49:41.000How about Google? They have Google and Big Tech and Facebook and Instagram and Snapchat.
00:49:49.000Right. So part of the reason we have to have very, very clear messages is that we can't win a tactical fight of making stuff up every morning.
00:50:01.000We can win if we say things that are real and that reflect people's lives.
00:50:09.000The illegal immigration crisis goes on, the more it's translated into the evening news, the more people realize it, no matter what the national media says.
00:50:19.000And frankly, most Americans now don't trust the national media.
00:50:23.000And I attribute part of this, and I'm looking at both Nixon and Trump, it's fascinating because Nixon really was trapped into believing the system somehow would be fair.
00:50:34.000Your father figured out in 2008 it ain't going to happen that way.
00:50:38.000And when he invented the term fake news, he really cut through an amazing amount of the baloney.
00:50:44.000And he allowed his supporters to understand, oh yeah, that is what they're doing.
00:50:49.000I don't know if I've ever told you, but I... When Callisto was the ambassador to the Vatican, we went up to Turin one weekend.
00:50:56.000And it turns out they have the second best Egyptian museum outside of Egypt, after the British Museum, just for unique local reasons.
00:51:04.000So we're going through this museum with a local guide from Turin.
00:51:09.000And he points over and he says, you see that statue?
00:51:11.000People are going to tell you X, Y, and Z. He said, well, I want you to know that's fake news.
00:51:17.000And I said, I thought to myself, I'm standing in Turin, Italy, with an Egyptian museum guide who is using Donald Trump's language.
00:51:25.000And I thought there was an example of something which penetrated the culture all around the planet.
00:52:40.000She is not a threat. And taking any attention to go after her, it actually reduces him and slows down the process of focusing.
00:52:53.000I wrote a piece the other day, a newsletter, Gingrich 360, saying this will be the longest general election campaign in history.
00:53:00.000And he should have, as of New Hampshire, He should have said, okay, I'm clearly going to be the nominee and I'm going to focus only on Joe Biden from here on out.
00:53:10.000And if Nikki wants to stay around as a hobby, that's certainly her right to stay around and just ignore her.
00:53:16.000I mean, what she wants to do is bait him.
00:53:18.000I mean, she is desperate to get his attention because only by getting into a fight with him does she have any hope of getting anything done.
00:53:25.000So his best strategy is to say, It's a free country.
00:53:29.000If she wants to waste a bunch of billionaires' money, that's certainly her prerogative.
00:53:34.000And if the billionaires are dumb enough to give it to them, that's their right as Americans.
00:53:38.000But that's not going to matter, which I don't think it's going to matter.
00:53:42.000I can't imagine her being able to put together a campaign.
00:53:46.000I don't think she'll win South Carolina.
00:53:49.000And once she's lost her own home state, I don't understand the rationale.
00:53:55.000Because you just had a major Republican billionaire write a $5 million check.
00:54:01.000There are people out there who dislike Donald Trump so much that they are prepared to spend huge amounts of money in the absurd hope that they can stop him.
00:54:13.000They also want to not just stop him, but they want to also be the puppet master for whatever candidate they put in those positions.
00:54:27.000They've given away all our jobs to save two cents on a widget that they could get out of China for a little bit cheaper.
00:54:34.000There's a reason... That the billionaires have united against Trump because I think they all actually probably did well under Trump's policies.
00:54:41.000They just didn't have the control they wanted.
00:54:44.000And politics for them is very much about control.
00:54:48.000Well, and these are people who really did make so much money out of China that they can't possibly deal with China in any kind of tough way because it's been the base of their income.
00:54:58.000Well, and they're so vested there right now.
00:55:00.000If they took policies that were bad for China, they'd just shut them down.
00:56:21.000I mean, so many people now, they watch this stuff.
00:56:24.000They're getting activated. They want to get involved.
00:56:26.000And again, they may not be running for president, but maybe they're running for their school board.
00:56:30.000What does it take to connect so well with hardworking Americans?
00:56:34.000I think my father does a pretty good job of it.
00:56:37.000What is that missing link for a lot of people?
00:56:40.000You know, and I think one of the things that helped your dad was that he was so much involved in construction, not just finance.
00:56:47.000Yeah. He was out there talking to blue-collar workers, talking to guys who did the plumbing, did the bricklaying, you know, did the construction.
00:56:54.000And he had to learn to communicate at a level that they understood, not at a level that he learned at Wharton.
00:57:02.000And so I think as a result, then he did The Apprentice, and there he began to really, I think, understand what the American consumer market is like.
00:57:13.000I used to tell reporters in 15 and 16 that if The Apprentice had been right after Downton Abbey on PBS, they would have understood Trump.
00:57:23.000But because it was on commercial television, almost no reporter in Washington had ever seen it.
00:57:28.000And they had no idea how good he was on TV. So I started, I first, one of the great lessons I had was in 1974.
00:57:36.000I got to spend time with Reagan, and he showed me how he did speeches.
00:57:41.000And the way Reagan did it is he had thought through ideas that he wanted to talk about, and he would have 60 or 80 4x6 cards in his briefcase.
00:57:53.000When he got to an audience, he would try to figure out who they were, what they were interested in, and he would take out 20 cards that he thought would work best with that audience.
00:58:06.000And he said, if he gave the same speech every day, he would get bored.
00:58:12.000People could tell from his body language that he was bored, and they would get bored.
00:58:17.000Makes sense. But if he didn't know what was following card three, So he had to figure out the bridge between card three and whatever the next card was.
00:59:43.000Now, I personally also like Q&A. I think when you give audiences a chance to ask questions, they get excited because now they're in charge and they have much more adrenaline.
00:59:56.000So I try very hard not to give speeches where it's just me talking and then I get off stage.
01:00:05.000No, I think that's important. I do the same thing.
01:00:07.000I don't even have bullet points anymore, and it actually caused some problems for me when I used to open up for a Mike Pence or something like that, because guys that are a little bit more programmatic, well, what's he going to say next?
01:00:18.000We have no idea, but it also kept it fresh for me, where there are guys that are A little bit more formulaic politicians that after about two days traveling with them, I can give their speech.
01:00:28.000And you're right, because it's the same thing, it's just regurgitated.
01:00:34.000And if you're just memorized it and delivering the same old rote line, you lose a lot of the authenticity.
01:00:41.000But what I'd like to... On the flip side of all of that, what do you think motivates the unhinged Trump derangement and rage that we see from the left?
01:02:29.000Reagan had a knack of being so pleasant.
01:02:32.000That even as he was taking apart the Soviet Empire, for example, he could meet with Gorbachev, and there wasn't, although the one time they met in Reykjavik, we had a movie called Rendezvous of Destiny about Reagan, and we had this great video where Reagan is standing next to the Soviet limousine, and he is putting his finger in Gorbachev's chest, and with great anger, he's saying to him, you had a chance to have a real deal, and you blew it.
01:03:00.000It's the only time I've ever seen Reagan really angry.
01:03:04.000But Reagan would have never done some of the things.
01:03:09.000And some of it I think your dad does because it's either entertaining or it reflects something.
01:03:17.000Some of it I think he does just because he has this instinctive counterpunch approach.
01:03:25.000Well, and a lot of what they said about him has just been lies, right?
01:03:38.000So when people are like, I don't love his demeanor, I'm like, you know what, if they went after you the way they went after him, which is unlike any other American politician ever, And his family, and everyone, and lied about him.
01:03:50.000And then it all comes out true, and there's no accountability, no consequence, there's no ramifications.
01:04:43.000Trump is the only person I've met who I think has the sheer courage to take the beating, keep coming, and potentially genuinely get the country back on track.
01:04:54.000And that's why I've always stuck with him, even on days when I'm so mad at him I can't stand it.
01:05:00.000I know that underneath those things there is this He's an enormously patriotic, deeply intelligent person who is doing everything he can to help this country survive and remain free.
01:05:14.000And you can put up with a fair amount if you think that's true.
01:05:17.000And I don't think there's any replacement for him.
01:05:23.000It seems like a man for the times as well.
01:05:25.000But, you know, recently there were comments from, you know, very Democrat, Van Jones, saying that basically young, radical Democrats aren't actually on board with Biden, basically because they feel he's not anti-Israel enough, he's not radical enough.
01:05:46.000I mean, I know there's blue-collar Democrats around America that are great, but I feel like that party has left them.
01:05:54.000Is the party in charge, and maybe their representation, whether you see it from Ilhan Omar like this week and all the insanity, are they there to now appease the most extreme elements of their party just to cling to power?
01:06:09.000Can you talk about that evolution of the Democrat Party, say, you know, from...
01:06:14.000When you started out to where they are now?
01:06:17.000Well, look, when I started out, they were still at a huge conservative wing.
01:06:21.000When we passed Reagan's programs, we had about a third of the Democrats in the House voting with us.
01:06:28.000Most of those gradually became Republicans.
01:06:33.000I think what you have today is three factions in the Democratic Party.
01:06:40.000Moderate faction, blue collar workers, Latinos, Asian-Americans, all of whom, and frankly, a rising number of African-American males who really aren't part of where the left is going.
01:06:57.000Then you have the Tammany Hall corrupt faction who get so much money out of government.
01:07:04.000Remember, this government spends over $4 trillion a year.
01:07:09.000So there are a lot of people who are at the trough, and they'll put up with almost anything because they want to get more money.
01:07:15.000Yeah, and that's before you get to Bob Menendez and the gold bars under his bed.
01:07:19.000We're talking about people who have sort of honest graft as opposed to people who have dishonest graft.
01:07:24.000And then third, you have this rapidly rising, very militant, self-assured, and very aggressive left wing.
01:07:36.000And I think what makes them so powerful is people in their own party are afraid of them because they are so hostile and they are so aggressive.
01:07:45.000And I think the result is there's this constant pressure pushing Biden and others to the left and pushing them away from the American people.
01:07:54.000That's the other part of this, is you have to recognize that these people do not represent the values of more than 15 to 20 percent of the country.
01:08:02.000And if we can run a campaign this fall that makes that clear enough, it'll be a catastrophic election for the Democrats.
01:08:10.000So what voting blocks do you think my father can make the biggest gains?
01:08:14.000You mentioned, you know, obviously Latinos seem to be going good, African American men.
01:08:18.000I'm sort of shocked it's not the women.
01:08:20.000You know, and what's your closing message to them?
01:08:23.000Because I think that is important, that they're sort of, you know, waking up from sort of the bonds of the Democrat Party, where they always voted, not because they were actually doing anything for you, but that was, you know...
01:08:33.000They controlled every resource in urban.
01:08:36.000Your pastor was on the Democrat Party payroll, and so you sort of listened to them because you assumed they were getting good advice.
01:08:41.000I see it with union leadership versus union membership.
01:08:48.000Unfettered illegal immigration, we don't think that's bad.
01:08:50.000That came from the union bosses this week.
01:08:53.000And I'm like, wait, you don't think that's bad for American workers?
01:09:06.000I mean, for the UAW to be for Biden, given Biden's position on electric vehicles, which involves 40% less labor than internal combustion engine vehicles, it makes no sense at all.
01:09:21.000The simplest message this fall is, do you really want 8 million more illegals?
01:09:27.000Do you really want continued increase in the cost of your food and your gasoline?
01:09:32.000Do you really want another 100,000 a year dying of drug overdoses?
01:09:36.000Do you really want America being driven out of the world by aggressive hostile dictatorships that we're not willing to stand up to?
01:09:45.000And if that's the world you want, then you've got a great person in Joe Biden because that's what he's going to do.
01:09:51.000Yeah. But I think you're going to find that that message shrinks the Democratic vote, whether among suburban women, among African Americans, among Latinos.
01:10:01.000And I think the biggest gains, proportionally, will probably be from Latinos.
01:10:05.000I think that they, you know, Latinos who came here legally, and Calissa and I are doing a project right now called Journey to America, About people who came here legally, who make this a great country because they obey the rules.
01:10:19.000They're actually as militant about illegal immigration as anybody else.
01:10:23.000Maybe more so than some that I've spent with.
01:10:25.000Oh yeah, and partly because they came here to get away from the people who are now coming here.
01:10:31.000They don't want the criminals, they don't want the drug dealers, they don't want the cartels.
01:10:35.000And so I think that that message has to be there are two futures.
01:10:40.000There is a great American future with, frankly, an extraordinary level of opportunity that's right around the corner with the right policies.
01:10:49.000And there is a continuing disaster that will get worse, not better, over the next four years.
01:10:55.000And you get to decide which future you want, and you do that by voting.
01:11:05.000Look forward to definitely having you on more as this heats up because we are early in what's going to be a very long and very aggressive year.
01:11:16.000So just always appreciate your advice, your support, your friendship.
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