Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - My Visit to Serbia & Conversation with President Vucic | Triggered Ep224

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:05:22.000 And today is yet another special show, because we took the show abroad to Belgrade, Serbia, where I sat down with Serbian President Aleksandr Vucic.

00:05:34.000 It was a fascinating and eye-opening experience.

00:05:37.000 Serbia is a country that finds itself actually standing for sovereignty and secure borders, while Western Europe is doing exactly the opposite.

00:05:47.000 It's a country where the legacy of the 1999 NATO bombing still looms large.

00:05:53.000 And what's incredibly fascinating is that groups like NATO had the very different view of territorial integrity when it comes to Serbia and Kosovo when you compare it to their position on Ukraine.

00:06:06.000 In the interview, we will get into all of that.

00:06:10.000 Serbia finds itself located in a unique place, both literally and figuratively.

00:06:14.000 It's a landlocked country at the crossroads of Southeast and Central Europe located in the Balkans.

00:06:20.000 Serbia is part of the former Yugoslavia.

00:06:22.000 During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia formed a union with Montenegro, which was dissolved in 2006, restoring Serbia's independence as a sovereign state.

00:06:32.000 Tensions in Kosovo and ethnically Albanian region in Serbia escalated into open conflict in 1998. NATO actually bombed We

00:07:06.000 also discuss the issue of Kosovo more broadly.

00:07:10.000 And even many in Washington want to normalize relations between Kosovo and Serbia.

00:07:16.000 But Serbia maintains and argues very passionately that it is part of its own sovereign territory.

00:07:23.000 There's a lot to get into and you're going to learn a lot.

00:07:25.000 President Vucic also knows very well both Vladimir Zelensky and Putin.

00:07:32.000 He knows them well.

00:07:33.000 He spent a lot of time with them.

00:07:39.000 Of what you're not hearing from most of the media.

00:07:43.000 And walking through Belgrade, you see the various remnants, legacy, and history of so much.

00:07:49.000 There's the ancient city.

00:07:51.000 There's the remnants of Yugoslavia and the Soviet sphere of influence.

00:07:55.000 And then there's the new modern element of the city, symbolizing the growth potential and the embrace of freedom and free markets.

00:08:04.000 Serbia is embracing my father's election.

00:08:07.000 And the values of the MAGA movement and what that stands for.

00:08:10.000 That's what makes this all so fascinating.

00:08:13.000 There's an embrace of common sense, an embrace of law and order, of a shared national sense of identity.

00:08:21.000 And we also talk about the protests you've been seeing in Belgrade.

00:08:24.000 I'm sure the media will cover them only one way.

00:08:28.000 And now there's seemingly evidence that they are all tied in some form to the same left-wing actors.

00:08:36.000 Here in America, that same propaganda machine.

00:08:39.000 There's even some reported links to USAID. Shocked to hear this, guys.

00:08:45.000 Shocked.

00:08:46.000 So you really don't want to miss this interview.

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00:09:16.000 And before we get into the interview, Let's get into a couple of the top headlines that have happened this week, along with a quick word about a major issue that could affect your health care.

00:09:28.000 Guys, Joe Biden's so-called Inflation Reduction Act is a disaster for American seniors.

00:09:35.000 Democrats snuck in a provision to raid Medicare and fund green energy giveaways for their special interest donors.

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00:10:29.000 And now let's take a look at the top headlines.

00:10:32.000 And we begin with the big news overseas, where Putin today agreed to a ceasefire in Ukraine under the conditions that they work for a, quote, permanent peace.

00:10:42.000 And the news comes after Zelenskyy reportedly agreed to ceasefire framework in Saudi Arabia with Secretary of State Marco Rubio earlier this week.

00:10:51.000 So how did all of this happen, guys?

00:10:53.000 To put it simply, Trump strength.

00:10:57.000 Trump resolve.

00:10:59.000 They understand he's not playing around, and they're going to come to the table.

00:11:03.000 It was reported earlier today that my father had cut off all Russian oil sales to the EU and ended the Biden exemption that allowed Russian banks to process European payments for oil sales.

00:11:16.000 Basically, it means no one in Europe can purchase Russian oil.

00:11:21.000 Even in this war, Joe Biden thought, well, we gotta let them keep doing that. 1.00

00:11:25.000 The stupidity never ends. 1.00

00:11:28.000 The Trump administration is making it clear. 1.00

00:11:31.000 There must be a path towards peace and no more endless death and bloodshed.

00:11:36.000 Here's Putin earlier today.

00:11:38.000 We agree with the propositions to stop hostilities, but we proceed from the fact that such ceasefire should be such that would lead to permanent peace.

00:11:55.000 And remove the initial, original causes of the crisis.

00:12:03.000 And here's my father in the Oval Office today with the Secretary General of NATO, making it clear that we need to end the bloodshed.

00:12:12.000 We're going to be discussing a lot of things, obviously.

00:12:14.000 We'll be discussing what's happening with respect to Ukraine and Russia.

00:12:19.000 At this moment, we have people talking in Russia.

00:12:22.000 We have representatives over there, Steve Witkoff and others, and they're in very serious discussions.

00:12:29.000 As you know, Ukraine has agreed, subject to this, what's happening today, to a complete ceasefire, and we hope Russia will do the same.

00:12:38.000 Thousands of people are being killed, young people usually, mostly.

00:12:42.000 Young people, we were just talking about it.

00:12:44.000 Thousands of young people are being killed a week.

00:12:47.000 And we want to see that stop.

00:12:49.000 And they're not Americans, and they're not from the Netherlands, for the most part. 0.51

00:12:54.000 They're from Russia, and they're from Ukraine.

00:12:57.000 But they're people.

00:12:58.000 And I think everybody feels the same way.

00:13:01.000 We want it to stop.

00:13:02.000 It's also a tremendous cost to the United States and to other countries.

00:13:07.000 And it's something that would have never happened if I were president.

00:13:10.000 And it makes me very angry to see that it did happen.

00:13:14.000 But it happened, and we have to stop it.

00:13:18.000 And Mark has done some really good work over the last week.

00:13:22.000 We've been working together.

00:13:23.000 And he's done some really good work.

00:13:25.000 So I'm very happy about that.

00:13:26.000 We'll also be talking about trade and various other things.

00:13:30.000 And I think we'll have a very, very strong day.

00:13:33.000 We're gonna have lunch afterwards.

00:13:34.000 That'll go.

00:13:35.000 And then we'll see you all later.

00:13:38.000 It's yet another example of all we needed was a new president.

00:13:43.000 It's that simple, folks.

00:13:45.000 We need to end the death.

00:13:47.000 End the endless wars and actually care about US taxpayer dollars and how they're being spent.

00:13:53.000 Because we're learning today even more about just how much USAID was not just being wasted, but artificially propping up other countries' economies.

00:14:05.000 Look at this chart for a second.

00:14:07.000 It's absolutely mind-blowing.

00:14:09.000 It was released by the news outlet Semaphore.

00:14:12.000 Did you know that American aid, just through USAID, not including the other places they probably got American aid from, but just through USAID, amounted to 40% of Somalia's GDP, their gross domestic product.

00:14:28.000 40% of what they earned was from USAID. 40% of the entire nation!

00:14:35.000 And the numbers are similar for other African countries.

00:14:39.000 It's absolutely Like I told you last week, we are just at the tip of the iceberg.

00:14:46.000 And here's yet another example of that.

00:14:49.000 USAID was literally propping up entire world economies.

00:14:54.000 And meanwhile, over at the EPA, Lee Zeldin, many have called him the legend of Zeldin, is delivering on the biggest deregulatory action in U.S. history within the agency by overhauling 31...

00:15:09.000 Far left, economy-killing environmental rules dating back to the Obama era.

00:15:15.000 And the media is melting down.

00:15:18.000 But they don't even have their own facts right.

00:15:20.000 Just look at CNN's climate expert, Bill Weir.

00:15:26.000 Today, Lee Zeldin put out a video on X and they were putting out press releases with such a flurry, about 31 different actions and rollbacks, that some of them had typos or placeholders at the top.

00:15:38.000 We have one of those there.

00:15:39.000 Trump EPA announces zero, zero, zero.

00:15:42.000 You can see there.

00:15:43.000 It's sort of shoot first, fill out the press release later.

00:15:47.000 As Zeldin explained, the fact checker doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking O-O-O-O-B slash C is not a typo.

00:15:58.000 40 CFR Part 6C Quad Zero is a federal regulation.

00:16:04.000 Under the Clean Air Act.

00:16:06.000 Those aren't zeros.

00:16:08.000 It's the letter O. They don't even know what any of it means.

00:16:12.000 They just want to jump and say it's a typo and they can't get it right in a press release.

00:16:17.000 So Lee is finding billions.

00:16:20.000 He's ending the insanity.

00:16:22.000 He's stopping the regulations that have smothered and stymied American growth for decades for nonsense.

00:16:29.000 And meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, Democrats are spinning in circles amid talks on a continuing resolution to fund the government.

00:16:39.000 Chuck Schumer announced himself that Senate Democrats will block the House past CR. These are the same Democrats, just reminding you, who have said for years that shutting down the government is the worst thing you can do.

00:16:57.000 Here's a quick trip down memory lane for those of you who missed it or forgot.

00:17:02.000 Courtesy of the Republican congressman and my friend and friend of the show, Wesley Hunt.

00:17:08.000 Republicans are marching America to a painful government shutdown.

00:17:14.000 But we need traditional Republicans to break with MAGA extremists so we can keep the government open.

00:17:21.000 Republican shutdown will cost 6,306 of her constituents their paychecks. 0.92

00:17:26.000 Put the bill on the floor for another down vote so we can end.

00:17:30.000 This MAGA Republican nightmare.

00:17:31.000 And if you don't, you own this government shutdown.

00:17:35.000 And we could put the threat of a shutdown behind us.

00:17:38.000 Our agreement would keep the government open, provide emergency aid for communities battered by hurricanes and other natural disasters.

00:17:45.000 It's about the harm that House Republicans will do to the American people if the government shuts down.

00:17:52.000 One Democrat said to me they feel like they have a mandate from their constituents to shut down the government.

00:17:59.000 Raising the possibility of shutting down the government in March.

00:18:04.000 We will use whatever power we have and fundamentally we're not going to vote for something that undermines the American people.

00:18:11.000 To withhold votes, do Democrats have the stomach? 1.00

00:18:14.000 I certainly hope so.

00:18:16.000 I know that I'm not going to vote for their proposal for sure.

00:18:19.000 Are you prepared to shut down the government to join Democratic colleagues who want to stand in the way of keeping the government open?

00:18:27.000 So yes, look, if we have to take steps...

00:18:29.000 14 days from now, government shutdown is looming.

00:18:32.000 If we don't believe that we have a willing partner on the other side, then we need to stay united and not bail out President Trump.

00:18:41.000 Yet at the same time, in order for a lot of voters to fully understand what Elon Musk and Donald Trump are doing, people are unfortunately going to have to feel some of that.

00:18:51.000 And the only way that that happens is if the shutdown happened.

00:18:54.000 Have you ever seen a delusional Democrat party as bad as this?

00:19:00.000 They used to be at least, I guess they'd pretend to want what's best for the country.

00:19:05.000 Now they just spew endless hate and rage at all things Trump.

00:19:10.000 Because despite their hysteria, the Trump agenda is working.

00:19:14.000 And it's firing on all cylinders.

00:19:16.000 Just look at this clip from CNBC on how the inflation report shattered expectations.

00:19:24.000 Up zero.

00:19:26.000 Zero.

00:19:26.000 On the headline, expecting up three tenths.

00:19:29.000 Up zero.

00:19:31.000 Goose egg.

00:19:32.000 Unched.

00:19:32.000 Boy, that is progress.

00:19:34.000 We haven't had a number that low.

00:19:37.000 Well, we equaled it in July of last year when we had another zero.

00:19:41.000 To find a lower number, you're back to October.

00:19:45.000 October of 23 at minus four tenths.

00:19:49.000 Strip out the all-important food and energy.

00:19:51.000 Down one tenth.

00:19:53.000 Down one-tenth, that's four-tenths lower than expectations.

00:19:57.000 Down one-tenth also equals July of last year.

00:20:01.000 Find a lower number, you're going back to COVID times.

00:20:04.000 April of 2020. And guys, as we wrap up the news rundown, we have some big news on a topic we'll actually discuss in the interview.

00:20:14.000 ActBlue.

00:20:15.000 You know, the big Democrat fundraising apparatus, the one that seems to raise five times more than Republicans can ever raise.

00:20:22.000 Well, in a letter sent to the Treasury Department on Tuesday, Republican Congressman Daryl Issa called it imperative that the agency look into whether ActBlue charities had reason to know it was handing payments that could support terror.

00:20:37.000 Seems like a big one.

00:20:39.000 Along with other allegations of illegal money laundering activity and ghost donors.

00:20:45.000 ActBlue has raised massive sums of money, regularly outspending Republicans.

00:20:50.000 And there's growing calls for a full investigation.

00:20:54.000 I think James O'Keefe discovered some of these things where one donor made like 18,000 donations in 24 hours.

00:21:01.000 Ah, doesn't seem to be legit.

00:21:03.000 But there are growing calls now for a full investigation into just where the money is going and where it's coming from.

00:21:12.000 Recently, there's been a wave of resignations at ActBlue, like the entire C-suite.

00:21:19.000 The seven or nine top executives just all handed in their badges on one day.

00:21:26.000 Huh.

00:21:26.000 And Elon Musk says ActBlue is actually behind the anti-Tesla protests because I guess Democrats and leftists now hate electric cars.

00:21:37.000 According to the Federalist, ActBlue is currently facing internal chaos.

00:21:42.000 The platform senior staff began resigning in late February with seven top officials.

00:21:47.000 Leaving the platform and a remaining lawyer suggesting he faced internal retaliation.

00:21:55.000 It looks like the writing is on the wall and will continue to keep following all of it.

00:22:00.000 And our exclusive interview with Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic is just ahead.

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00:23:41.000 And now, guys, we go to my exclusive sit-down with President Vucic in Belgrade.

00:23:47.000 Enjoy.

00:23:49.000 President Vucic, thank you so much for being here.

00:23:52.000 I'd love to get your perspective as we watch the turmoil that you see across Europe right now.

00:24:00.000 seems like entire existences are going.

00:24:02.000 Where does Serbia stand in all of that and in contrast to what we see, perhaps more so in Western Europe?

00:24:09.000 Thank you very much for having me, Dirdan, and just would like to present in a few sentences.

00:24:20.000 Serbia and Serbia is a non-EU country, and the Western Balkans, Southeast Europe, which is confusing a bit.

00:24:32.000 The Americans in particular, but it's a country that is on EU path.

00:24:40.000 But our country was number two fastest growing economy last year.

00:24:45.000 This year we believe that Serbia is going to be number one fastest growing economy in Europe.

00:24:51.000 And in the recent years we really made a big economic development and a big impact on People's living standards as well.

00:25:04.000 Of course, the situation is never ideal, and you can always criticize many things, but generally speaking, we are heading, or Serbia is on the right path.

00:25:21.000 Let me define it this way.

00:25:24.000 But we do invest hugely into infrastructural works.

00:25:30.000 We do try to We attract a lot of foreign direct investments and we've been doing that successfully in the recent years.

00:25:39.000 And on the other hand, we still brag ourselves of having an independent and sovereign approach towards international political events, actors and also...

00:25:57.000 Ideas, and that's what, in a way, makes a difference between us and at least many European Union countries.

00:26:07.000 On the other hand, there are a few countries in Europe that are facing protests right now.

00:26:16.000 One out of these countries is Serbia.

00:26:20.000 Big protests against us because of that canopy fall that happened on November 1st.

00:26:27.000 Get into the details of that, because it feels to me, as someone who's watched this play out in America and with my family, a tragic incident, of course, but it was later weaponized, perhaps like our January 6th turned into something that it wasn't to incite potentially even a revolution.

00:26:49.000 I was saying the same to my people here.

00:26:56.000 What happened on January the 6th for Donald Trump, for all of you, dear Don, it was for me in a way November the 3rd, when one tragic accident, which happens all over the world, like it happened after President Trump was inaugurated this year with that helicopter and plane, and it happens.

00:27:24.000 With even bigger number of casualties.

00:27:28.000 And it was used in a way that I couldn't believe it against the government, although the prosecutor's office indicted all the people that they thought would have been responsible for that.

00:27:47.000 We did our job.

00:27:49.000 We fulfilled all the requests, all the demands made by Students here, but it was not enough.

00:27:55.000 And I realized that, let's say, mid-December, a month and a half after.

00:28:02.000 Then I realized that it was an ongoing colored revolution, imported revolution, something that you couldn't handle easily, and it was not easy, it's still not easy, but I believe that we are on a very good path. 1.00

00:28:22.000 To overcome it successfully and victoriously.

00:28:28.000 It was huge amount of money that was invested from outside, from different countries, different foundations, different agencies, because nobody wanted to see...

00:28:45.000 there are three reasons why they wanted to destabilize Serbia.

00:28:48.000 Number one was Serbia was performing better than the others in the region.

00:28:55.000 Well, that was not a good sign for the others that didn't want to have that disbalance.

00:29:01.000 On the other hand, Serbia was having its own independent policy, which was, yes, we were on Ukrainian side when we discussed territorial integrity, an incursion issue and everything else, but we were the only country that was

00:29:19.000 Not imposing sanctions against Russia, because Clinton administration was imposing sanctions against us, and we still remember that, and that was one of the main reasons why we didn't want to do it.

00:29:31.000 I want to ask about that later on as well.

00:29:34.000 I'm saying this, all this stuff were quite a reason to go against this government from outside, and we were not always very much obedient like most of the others in Europe.

00:29:50.000 And, yep, we are a small country.

00:29:54.000 We cannot easily oppose to that.

00:29:56.000 We couldn't repel that easily.

00:29:59.000 But now I really believe that, at least in the days to come, it will be all over this or another way.

00:30:06.000 But I think, and I'm very much prudent and very much cautious, I think that we are going to win because I see the clear veil of Serbian people, which is on our side. 0.99

00:30:16.000 It doesn't mean that they like me or they dislike.

00:30:19.000 It means that people would like to have peace, stability, and to decide on their future in elections.

00:30:28.000 In the election process, not in the streets, not under the influence of some foreign countries and everything else.

00:30:36.000 Well, there's another planned protest in a couple of days.

00:30:40.000 How much of that is manufactured?

00:30:43.000 I've read and I've seen and spoken to other people here.

00:30:46.000 Some of these protests, they're offering kids a hundred euro to show up.

00:30:51.000 And then they'd have a fake social media account of a good-looking woman saying, you know, you're a ten if you show up to the protest. 1.00

00:30:59.000 And so kids are basically showing up to a party that they may not even know.

00:31:03.000 But then once it's manipulated through the lens of a media, through perhaps the EU, who would much rather control everything through Brussels rather than allow actual sovereignty of a nation.

00:31:14.000 that image is shaped differently to the rest of the world.

00:31:16.000 You, dear Don, mentioned some of this stuff.

00:31:19.000 There are so-called, I'm not an expert on this, but they told me so and they showed me some proofs.

00:31:27.000 These are cell phone or IT farms, how to create, how to boost all this stuff against the leaders during the protests and during all these events.

00:31:43.000 But the real issue is that if you analyze one thing, and I'm absolutely certain that your father and let's say Elon Musk and some other guys, they can recognize it easily.

00:31:59.000 When you see an entire liberal establishment from Washington and New York and LA going against you, and you see that there is no single NGO that was on your side.

00:32:12.000 And you see the same in Serbia.

00:32:13.000 Can you imagine that all these NGOs that were participating in organizing these events in Serbia were paid from outside?

00:32:24.000 From United States, from USAID, National Endowment for Democracy, and some other organizations.

00:32:31.000 And I don't say that they were using this money only for that.

00:32:35.000 They were using money for everything.

00:32:36.000 But also for that.

00:32:38.000 Also for that.

00:32:39.000 So USAID, and I think Americans have been watching some of the disgraces, you know, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars blown for things that can't have any possible benefit to Americans or probably anywhere else in the world.

00:32:53.000 Transelmo in Guatemala is probably not all that important, but maybe I'm wrong.

00:32:58.000 But you're saying that that was even playing here in an also political fashion.

00:33:02.000 Maybe they were doing some good, but...

00:33:03.000 Yes, exactly.

00:33:05.000 What I'm saying, we were listening to President Trump, and he was actually mentioning Serbia, saying the USAID was spending $14 million on public procurements.

00:33:21.000 But they were spending much more money, which was not public procurements, which was NGOs that became very instrumental in any kind of political crisis.

00:33:35.000 Choosing the side that was anarcho-liberal, that was so-called green, but just so-called, and always against the leaders that would have kept sovereignty and independence of the country and of the nation.

00:33:52.000 And interfering into all our election processes through all these NGOs that were Allegedly presenting their agenda as someone that was independent, as someone that was not actually involved in the process, but they were so deeply involved into the process.

00:34:16.000 Then supporting the medias that were always against the government.

00:34:21.000 And I don't understand what was that good for the American citizens regarding these issues.

00:34:28.000 Has your government made requests to figure out where this money is going?

00:34:31.000 Because it seems like a reasonable question if they're interfering in your elections to find out.

00:34:35.000 That's what we wanted to do.

00:34:37.000 And we faced an avalanche of criticism, even coming from some sources from the deep state of your country, but from Brussels in particular.

00:34:57.000 There is no single clerk in Brussels that was not criticizing us just on a fact.

00:35:03.000 We did not detain anyone.

00:35:08.000 We did not detain anyone.

00:35:11.000 There has been no apprehension, arrests, nothing.

00:35:17.000 Our prosecutor's office wanted to scrutinize their financial activities and that's it.

00:35:26.000 They were spending that money.

00:35:29.000 And how they were using that money.

00:35:31.000 And after they did it, we did it.

00:35:36.000 All of a sudden, everybody started attacking us and protesting every single day.

00:35:43.000 Like, you must not ask.

00:35:45.000 You have no right to ask someone.

00:35:47.000 We can ask you.

00:35:48.000 You can ask us.

00:35:49.000 Everybody can ask everybody in the world, apart from NGOs that are...

00:35:55.000 Like, blessed by someone and protected by the liberal world because if you touch them, if you ask them, okay, is it a rainy day or it's a sunny day, you made the most terrible mistake and you are going to be crucified by them.

00:36:11.000 And this is something that is happening to us now.

00:36:14.000 But we'll finish our job.

00:36:16.000 We'll finish our job and you'll be very surprised with the results because I got some information, but I need a confirmation to say it publicly.

00:36:28.000 You'll be very, very surprised.

00:36:30.000 And it will be helpful to President Trump very much in the next period to show what was the purpose of that money, and it can happen to you and to him again, because they're going to use the same sources against you.

00:36:47.000 They don't seem to have a very creative playbook, and it seems like whether it's yourself, whether it's Viktor Orban, whether it's my father, anyone who's adhering to the notion of sovereignty, perhaps the notion of traditional Western values, that becomes the enemy of all of these.

00:37:04.000 The American left, the de facto American left, which is USAID functioning abroad, and you mentioned the EU. You're obviously not a part of the EU, but...

00:37:15.000 You've seen what happens as these nations sort of bind into one blob and they lose their own identity.

00:37:23.000 Talk a little bit about the difference between Serbia and some of the other nations that have held fast versus Western Europe that's been sort of absorbed by that mindset.

00:37:33.000 We are on the EU path and we respect you.

00:37:35.000 But the real issue is that they, from time to time, expect from us to be 100% obedient on everything.

00:37:45.000 And my question to them has always been, then why do you need our government?

00:37:51.000 Why do you need any government in the region?

00:37:53.000 Because they have always been criticizing us because of those sanctions against Russia that we did not impose.

00:37:59.000 They were saying to us, you are aligned 52, 54, 56% with us.

00:38:05.000 I said, okay, yes, it means that we have our government, our own government, run by our people, run by our people.

00:38:14.000 They were saying to me, but you need to be aligned 100% like all the others.

00:38:18.000 And my question was, why would we need a government?

00:38:21.000 If you bring all decisions instead of us, we don't need ministry for foreign affairs.

00:38:25.000 We don't need many ministers.

00:38:27.000 And that's it.

00:38:29.000 And there is no response from their side when I say something like that.

00:38:33.000 And you are absolutely right.

00:38:34.000 It's the same type of playbook against Victor, against myself, against Robert.

00:38:40.000 In Slovakia and against some other guys.

00:38:42.000 And it's always the same.

00:38:43.000 And we see it now.

00:38:46.000 You know, in the last four months, we didn't use force at all against demonstrators.

00:38:52.000 Not at all.

00:38:54.000 Nothing.

00:38:55.000 Zero.

00:38:57.000 Actually, if you see the protests in the other countries, in Western Europe... 0.98

00:39:04.000 Sorry that I'm using this word, but they beat the shit out of these people that are protesting against themselves. 0.79

00:39:10.000 Well, they're jailing people for opinion in Germany. 0.98

00:39:13.000 They're jailing people for saying there's two genders or misidentifying a lunatic.

00:39:18.000 And I say the same, that we have two genders.

00:39:20.000 Maybe that's also a big hurdle or a big problem for me.

00:39:25.000 You obviously don't trust the science.

00:39:27.000 Yes, you're right.

00:39:29.000 It has stood for hundreds of years.

00:39:31.000 And I don't know in Serbia, not to mention in English, I don't know in Serbia how do they call this third gender or I don't know what else.

00:39:37.000 I don't know.

00:39:39.000 And I don't want to know. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm crazy. 0.99

00:39:43.000 I know that there are two genders. 1.00

00:39:47.000 I was born like that, now everything.

00:39:49.000 I think you're right.

00:39:51.000 There are a few people that...

00:39:53.000 The NGOs would disagree with us, which is why they're spending tens of millions of dollars pushing it in other countries.

00:39:58.000 Yes, but if you go to some other countries, like Germany, they were...

00:40:01.000 It's not USAID that was even the biggest.

00:40:04.000 From Brussels, from, let's say, from Green Party, from their foundation, from Socialist Foundation, their foundations, they were financing everything here.

00:40:17.000 And it was all just a cover.

00:40:21.000 For political activism financing here.

00:40:28.000 Just to cover.

00:40:30.000 And not only that, but also from Brussels and from many European capitals as well.

00:40:37.000 And that's what they were doing against your father all the time.

00:40:41.000 All European mainstream medias were launching terrible campaigns against him without even...

00:40:48.000 Asking him or giving him a chance to respond, but just say that he was ruining values, ruining that and that, and there has never been values, because they were always insisting on values.

00:41:01.000 When you come to values, there are no values.

00:41:04.000 Can I tell you one?

00:41:05.000 Just for your people, because everybody knows it here in Serbia.

00:41:09.000 I'll tell you, dear Don.

00:41:11.000 You hear when Marco Rubio, when he says, Well, Ukraine will have to do something to compromise or whatever.

00:41:21.000 Then they say, but who are you to do something against territorial integrity of Ukraine?

00:41:29.000 You, Donald Trump, are going to ruin all the values of contemporary world.

00:41:39.000 And then, when they see me, they always stop saying that.

00:41:44.000 You know why?

00:41:45.000 Because I always say to them, really, you speak about territorial integrity.

00:41:50.000 But why you Europeans, together with Bill Clinton in 1999, why you violated an international public law, brought a decision without any voting within UN Security Council, and you were bombarding this country, and then changing the borders of this country? 0.80

00:42:11.000 Changing the borders of this country, which means that you didn't care about territorial integrity at that time, but now when you care about it, when it's in your interests, and I have nothing against Ukraine to tell you the truth, nothing at all, but when you changed your rules and your values, you stick to the values.

00:42:30.000 Do as you say, not as I do.

00:42:32.000 Exactly.

00:42:33.000 When it fits to them, then they have these values.

00:42:38.000 When it doesn't fit, To their interests, well, just put it aside or cover it with something else.

00:42:45.000 So, in the big picture, I mean, that was 1999. Bill Clinton decided to bomb Serbia unilaterally, to your point, without real consent from the rest of the world.

00:42:58.000 Was that a distraction to what was going on in his personal life at the time?

00:43:02.000 No, dear Don, I'm not speaking and I'm not exposing my opinion.

00:43:11.000 What I'm going to say are facts.

00:43:16.000 Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, just once or twice Montenegro as a part of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and a Serbian inhabited part of Montenegro in the north.

00:43:29.000 And Serbia itself was bombarded by 19 NATO countries.

00:43:37.000 Nineteen NATO countries attacked small Serbia.

00:43:42.000 Because they were saying that we were violating an international public law.

00:43:47.000 Now you're going to hear something for the first time in your life.

00:43:50.000 That we were violating an international public law in a part of our territory with the possible, in the future, humanitarian crisis that we might cause.

00:44:04.000 That was the reason for Bombardment.

00:44:08.000 So it was preemptive?

00:44:10.000 Exactly.

00:44:11.000 But please, then Putin learned something from that.

00:44:18.000 And when the crisis started in Donbass region, he said, exactly using the same words, well, you see, it's going to be a massive humanitarian crisis.

00:44:32.000 Ukrainians are jeopardizing. 1.00

00:44:35.000 Russian-speaking people in East Ukraine, and we had to intervene using exactly the same narrative, exactly the same language as it was used against us.

00:44:47.000 He did it smartly.

00:44:48.000 If I were him, I would have done the same.

00:44:50.000 I disagreed with that.

00:44:52.000 That's not being an apologist, that's just understanding...

00:44:54.000 Just put it rationally.

00:44:57.000 And that's it.

00:44:59.000 And now when they say to him, you cannot take Crimea, you cannot take...

00:45:04.000 Kerson, you cannot say that.

00:45:06.000 He's going to say, which is also not good for us, but he's going to say, but you did it with Kosovo.

00:45:13.000 And what is going to be their answer?

00:45:15.000 I'll tell you.

00:45:16.000 Well, that's not the same.

00:45:18.000 That was a real humanitarian disaster.

00:45:20.000 And he's going to say, this was even bigger, much bigger humanitarian disaster.

00:45:24.000 And this is what I wanted to show it to you.

00:45:29.000 And is the fact that people actually...

00:45:35.000 When it's good for them, when it suits them well, they're okay with international public law.

00:45:41.000 When it doesn't suit them well, who cares about it?

00:45:45.000 But if you do it once, then you cannot speak about the real values or constant values.

00:45:52.000 Correct.

00:45:53.000 And don't lecture all the others.

00:45:55.000 And that's it.

00:45:56.000 And this is all what I said about it.

00:45:59.000 It's completely true.

00:46:01.000 It's completely true.

00:46:02.000 So you've had a lot of pressure to normalize relations with Kosovo.

00:46:09.000 There's a lot of pressure coming from all different parts of the world.

00:46:12.000 How does that actually look?

00:46:15.000 How does that work in reality versus perhaps, again, the narrative that's put out there that this would be something that is simple?

00:46:24.000 What is that message?

00:46:25.000 Thank you for asking me that.

00:46:28.000 Unlike guys from Pristina, I'm not going to criticize them and to use this opportunity to say something bad about them.

00:46:36.000 I'm going to say that we were still under big pressure on this issue.

00:46:41.000 Everybody or many people wants to undermine our territorial integrity, our constitution and everything else.

00:46:48.000 But the real thing is that we wanted always and we have always been open to get us closer to a And

00:47:21.000 when I entered the Oval Office, the second question...

00:47:28.000 After asking me about China something, the second question was economy.

00:47:35.000 Direct flights.

00:47:36.000 That's what you guys need to do.

00:47:37.000 And I immediately agreed with that.

00:47:40.000 Because I understood that he noticed that it was very complicated from a political point of view.

00:47:46.000 Because he cannot change absolutely everything in American politics from the past.

00:47:52.000 And he wanted to also not to hurt us even more.

00:47:58.000 And he wanted to find something that would be out of the box.

00:48:03.000 A solution based on a better economy in the region, open borders, and everything else.

00:48:08.000 Speak about an entire region.

00:48:11.000 But, as a matter of fact, Europeans were going strongly against that arrangement.

00:48:22.000 We call that Washington Arrangement.

00:48:25.000 Why?

00:48:28.000 Because they thought that they were much smarter, that it was a superficial approach, or they wanted to have steering wheel in their hands. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Well, it seems like if we're talking about Bill Clinton and mistakes, he's the guy that said, it's the economy, stupid. 0.97

00:48:45.000 If everyone's benefiting, you would think that they would go along with that, or are they better off when they fragmented? 0.99

00:48:54.000 You know, I... I just don't understand why people in the region did not accept fully the idea of an open Balkan, which we discussed and it was fully supported by the Americans and even by the other administration, Democratic administration, because they were getting some impulses and signals from Europe not to go with it.

00:49:20.000 I don't know.

00:49:21.000 Is that about limiting your success because you've gone against the grain?

00:49:25.000 Partly, partly, partly, at least partly yes, I believe so.

00:49:31.000 How has, you know, that bombing from 1999, how has that shaped sort of the values of Serbians today?

00:49:40.000 I mean, did that change the mindset and the ethos of how their worldview is?

00:49:43.000 Very much, very much, very much.

00:49:47.000 People here, they live a sort of Western way of life.

00:49:52.000 But since Trump appeared on a political scene, Serbs didn't believe to any other political leaders from the United States now.

00:50:08.000 Now there is a big shift and a big change.

00:50:11.000 Trump became very popular in Serbia.

00:50:15.000 This was the country where Trump was enjoying the biggest popularity in entire Europe by far.

00:50:23.000 I'll tell you.

00:50:25.000 You see, Viktor is my friend, my brother.

00:50:29.000 Viktor Orban.

00:50:30.000 Yes.

00:50:31.000 But in Hungary, it was, just because of his party, a bit bigger popularity of Trump than of Joe Biden.

00:50:42.000 Here in Serbia, it was, at least speaking about determined people, 78 to 79 percent on Donald Trump's side.

00:50:54.000 At least.

00:50:56.000 At least.

00:50:57.000 And no one can deny it.

00:51:00.000 Today, these numbers are even bigger.

00:51:03.000 Because we had huge expectations.

00:51:06.000 Now they are even bigger than huge.

00:51:09.000 And there has already been some fulfillments of that.

00:51:14.000 And people here, they like sovereign leaders, but that are not afraid of that.

00:51:25.000 A liberal pond which is criticizing everybody and everything that they cannot control, you know, and that's why people like him very much.

00:51:40.000 And he is the first American president that is predominantly loved by people of this country.

00:51:49.000 And that's a big, big shift.

00:51:51.000 Big, big change.

00:51:52.000 Huge one.

00:51:54.000 And I'm not, as you know, we discussed everything.

00:51:56.000 I'm not flattering him.

00:51:58.000 I'm not flattering you.

00:52:00.000 I'm saying what people here think.

00:52:03.000 I think even better than that because he is changing something even more important than people could have imagined.

00:52:11.000 He is changing the way of thinking.

00:52:13.000 He is going against the mainstreams.

00:52:18.000 He is doing something.

00:52:24.000 Against the deep state which was unimaginable.

00:52:28.000 And I'm not sure that he'll be 100% successful on this because it's impossible.

00:52:34.000 But what he tried, what he did was something of an utmost importance not only for the United States of America but for many freedom-loving countries here, in Asia, in Africa.

00:52:49.000 Did I tell you that because I'm From the very small country, relatively or very popular in China.

00:52:59.000 Do you know that, apart from all the tariffs and everything else, Donald Trump is ten times more popular than his predecessor?

00:53:10.000 And I know it.

00:53:11.000 I know the figures.

00:53:12.000 In China.

00:53:13.000 I wouldn't have thought that, but maybe they too hope for some freedom and the ability to say what they want.

00:53:18.000 I can tell you why.

00:53:20.000 They respect someone who speaks sincerely.

00:53:25.000 Chinese people are very serious people, good people.

00:53:28.000 They respect, okay, you're our opponent, you think differently.

00:53:34.000 But when we hear you, when we understand what you want, it doesn't matter.

00:53:39.000 We can respect it.

00:53:41.000 And that's a different type of attitude.

00:53:45.000 Do you think they respect some of the other leaders of Europe when they look at it?

00:53:51.000 It feels like it'd be hard to.

00:53:53.000 I don't take so many of these people anymore as serious people.

00:53:55.000 Chinese show respect to everybody, but I see the difference between real respect and an alleged or diplomatic or protocolarian one.

00:54:10.000 What were your thoughts about the infamous now meeting in the Oval Office between my father, J.D. Vance, some of that team, and Zelensky in terms of trying to come up with a settlement?

00:54:23.000 Zelensky is a very smart guy, very intelligent person.

00:54:27.000 I met him nine or ten times.

00:54:30.000 He was doing something for his political position in Ukraine, smartly done.

00:54:40.000 He went back as a hero to Kyiv, and his numbers were, as your father was saying it in a very proper way, not very good, but that was one of the reasons as your father was saying it in a very proper way, not very good, Protecting Ukraine from everyone, even from the United States of America, doing that and that.

00:55:05.000 That was number one.

00:55:07.000 Number two, my friend Zelensky, I think that you can I accept his apology on this because I think that he did not act fully in a rational way.

00:55:29.000 Because when you see the President of the United States, particularly a guy that is determined and decisive, that knows the politics, that knows his aims, like Donald Trump, you need to understand your position as well.

00:55:47.000 And you are not equal.

00:55:49.000 And, you know, people here were, I'll tell you the story, people here were criticizing me because when I was at that Oval Office, Donald brought, or his people brought, like a tiny chair for me, like this one.

00:56:04.000 And I looked like a kid, you know, and he was having that big armchair, you know, like a king sitting above me, you know, and people were saying, you humiliated us, you did that and that.

00:56:14.000 And I was thinking about it.

00:56:16.000 And I said to myself, hey, this is Donald Trump.

00:56:19.000 This is the President of the United States of America.

00:56:23.000 You can sit.

00:56:24.000 You can lay down.

00:56:25.000 You can do whatever you want.

00:56:27.000 You have to show respect to him.

00:56:30.000 And you have to fight for your people.

00:56:32.000 For the benefits, for the sake of your people, Serbian people.

00:56:36.000 And I was doing that.

00:56:37.000 I was doing that.

00:56:38.000 And I saw no problems on that.

00:56:42.000 And I was shocked when people and Maria Zakharova from Russian minister of foreign affairs attacked me like I was humiliated by American president and that and that.

00:56:54.000 It was not.

00:56:55.000 He was very friendly treating me, very friendly.

00:57:00.000 We were discussing even some private issues and everything else.

00:57:03.000 He was catching everything in a minute.

00:57:08.000 He couldn't know all the details from the Balkans.

00:57:11.000 you know it because you spend more time here and you do understand that.

00:57:16.000 But he caught absolutely everything in two, three minutes.

00:57:19.000 And you see the real talent.

00:57:21.000 And you see and notice how he works and how he brings his decisions and everything else.

00:57:29.000 But your job is to, if I were Zelensky, would have listened, would have, of course, when camera were turned off.

00:57:40.000 That's number one.

00:57:41.000 Don't renegotiate a deal with Trump on camera, because that's not going to work out well.

00:57:45.000 When cameras are switched off, then discuss whatever you want.

00:57:51.000 Then discuss whatever you want.

00:57:53.000 That's what I was doing.

00:57:55.000 That's what I was doing.

00:57:56.000 It's not a show for everybody.

00:57:59.000 Your job is to take care of your people.

00:58:01.000 That's it.

00:58:02.000 That's what I would have done differently.

00:58:04.000 What does that roadmap to peace look like for you?

00:58:08.000 If you were in his spot, you've spent time with Zelensky, you've spent time with Putin.

00:58:14.000 Twice more with Putin.

00:58:15.000 Twice more with Putin.

00:58:16.000 You understand both.

00:58:17.000 You understand both sides of the spectrum.

00:58:20.000 I feel like in America it's difficult because I feel the media has programmed the American people to think that Ukraine is winning and they should be able to get everything.

00:58:27.000 It's probably not realistic, but that makes me an apologist.

00:58:30.000 I cannot discuss wishful way of thinking because I'm too pragmatic, too rational.

00:58:37.000 I'll tell you, I think it's the worst job in your father's hands and would never like and would never dare to do anything like he wants to resolve.

00:58:54.000 Because I know how complicated that is.

00:58:58.000 But my response is going to be very simple.

00:59:02.000 Someone has To start losing in a very clear way, not in a clear way, but in a very clear way, doesn't matter which side, in order to get us closer to peace.

00:59:18.000 Well, I think that's right.

00:59:20.000 And I think that has everything to do with the money.

00:59:24.000 Of course, that's a part of a job.

00:59:27.000 And that's a part of a war.

00:59:29.000 Do you feel that if this was a conflict that wasn't basically between two Eastern European nations and there was, say, an ethnic minority involved, and perhaps you've dealt with some of that at least in the history of this country, that there'd be more clamoring to peace?

00:59:43.000 Because I found it fascinating even during the early part of the election cycle when my father said his only objective was to get to peace.

00:59:51.000 And the geniuses at CNN said, "How dare you? 0.61

00:59:55.000 We just want to stop the death," was his exact question.

00:59:57.000 I just want to stop the death.

00:59:59.000 But nobody's interested in peace, actually.

01:00:03.000 Apart from Donald Trump.

01:00:06.000 Russia's rebuilt their economy because of a war.

01:00:09.000 The sanctions jacked up fuel prices.

01:00:11.000 Zelensky's probably stealing a lot of it, at least in my opinion. 0.91

01:00:14.000 You can't say that because you're his friend.

01:00:17.000 Russians are doing very good stuff on their military industry.

01:00:27.000 Of course they had and they still have some economic issues.

01:00:31.000 To resolve it.

01:00:33.000 But Ukraine was losing many people, as many as Russians, and at the same time they were losing territory, but they were losing their economy and they were losing their future because there are more than 7-8 million people or even 10 million people that left the country.

01:00:55.000 I cannot say for good, but it's very doubtful whether those people will come back.

01:01:01.000 Ever or not.

01:01:02.000 And on the other hand, what I see is that Russia calmed down all internal disputes on this issue.

01:01:17.000 They are doing better and better in a battlefield.

01:01:20.000 And I think that peace is of utmost importance for all of us.

01:01:26.000 How Donald Trump will contribute To finishing this war.

01:01:33.000 I don't know.

01:01:35.000 But I keep my finger crossed.

01:01:39.000 And God bless him if he does it.

01:01:42.000 Because that would save the world.

01:01:45.000 Because it was not Russia-Ukraine war.

01:01:47.000 It was a war.

01:01:49.000 Half of the world participated in that war.

01:01:53.000 Everybody was pretending that we're not participating.

01:01:57.000 And when you hear...

01:01:58.000 I heard from many...

01:02:00.000 Presidents and prime ministers in Europe, we must not lose this war.

01:02:03.000 I said, good.

01:02:05.000 Then Putin was saying the same, we must not lose this war.

01:02:09.000 Then Zelensky was saying the same, we must not lose this war.

01:02:13.000 But, okay, then nobody loses this war, but just make a peace.

01:02:17.000 What does victory look like?

01:02:18.000 And that's what no one has articulated to me.

01:02:20.000 And at the end, everybody will claim victory.

01:02:24.000 And everybody will feel victorious, but...

01:02:28.000 As a matter of fact, no one is going to be the real victor.

01:02:33.000 Well, I think stopping the death is victory in and of itself.

01:02:36.000 Now, are you about territory?

01:02:39.000 Absolutely, absolutely right about it.

01:02:41.000 What Americans don't know is that a vast majority of eastern Ukraine would probably be perfectly comfortable being part of Russia.

01:02:48.000 I can tell you, even during that terribly difficult situation in Bosnia.

01:02:55.000 When we came to Dayton Peace Accord in 1995, that was very helpful because the war was stopped, at least.

01:03:03.000 Whether I agree or disagree with that, doesn't matter.

01:03:06.000 Put it aside.

01:03:07.000 But the war stopped.

01:03:08.000 If you'll be able to stop the war in Ukraine, everybody will say many thanks to the United States of America, many thanks to President Trump.

01:03:19.000 God bless him.

01:03:20.000 He saved us all.

01:03:21.000 We saved us all.

01:03:22.000 Because that will be a big boost for the European economy.

01:03:28.000 European growth rate this year is going to be 0.2.

01:03:31.000 With 0.2, what you can do?

01:03:33.000 Not a lot.

01:03:34.000 Not a lot.

01:03:35.000 Especially not with the migrant crisis.

01:03:36.000 Not a lot.

01:03:38.000 With all the other crises as well.

01:03:40.000 Political and all the others.

01:03:42.000 That's why we need to hold, to stop this war. 0.50

01:03:47.000 I see that they are not interested in having truce or ceasefire or whatever, but...

01:03:51.000 Well, they were interested in prolonging the war.

01:03:53.000 I saw the statistics last week.

01:03:55.000 The vast majority of Europeans wanted to keep fighting.

01:03:59.000 The problem is that statistic changed the second they were asked, were they willing to actually help contribute and pay for it?

01:04:06.000 So, you know, that's wonderful.

01:04:07.000 I'd love to create world peace.

01:04:09.000 I'd love to end it, but I'm not going to give up a meal.

01:04:13.000 Yes, and you might add even their participation in that war.

01:04:17.000 And then nobody will be in favor of that.

01:04:20.000 Because it's easy when someone else is dying, when someone else is paying the price.

01:04:25.000 And you are not doing it, but because of your global or regional interests, you would like to see more of a war, which is very hypocritical, to tell you the truth.

01:04:37.000 And you can see it in a very easy way.

01:04:40.000 It's present all over the continent.

01:04:43.000 Well, hypocrisy is getting very common these days.

01:04:45.000 Tell me, one of your neighbors, a lot has been going on in their election process over in Romania.

01:04:53.000 Do you have any insight into that?

01:04:55.000 Because as an American, you see at least the conservative candidate is thrown off a ballot.

01:05:01.000 I'm sure there's more nuance to that than that.

01:05:03.000 I can tell you, I'm not an expert on Romania.

01:05:07.000 I don't understand Romanian language.

01:05:10.000 Apart from Romanian and Hungarian language, I do understand all the other regional languages.

01:05:16.000 From Bulgarian to Slovenian language, I do understand it's Serbo-Croat or Serbian and Croatian, whatever.

01:05:26.000 Languages, we all do understand these languages.

01:05:30.000 And this is one of the hurdles which I'm facing when I want to understand more of Romanian politics.

01:05:38.000 But I can tell you something not hiding anything.

01:05:41.000 I have many friends in Romania, including, I believe, our common friend, Victor Ponta.

01:05:48.000 He is an honorable man.

01:05:49.000 But also, I cannot imagine, I have never met, I have never spoken to Kalen Gjordzescu.

01:05:55.000 Never, ever.

01:05:56.000 Never.

01:05:57.000 And I would like to speak to him as well.

01:06:00.000 But the real issue for me is...

01:06:03.000 That, you know, I don't understand and I don't want to interfere into their internal relationship furthermore.

01:06:10.000 I don't understand why they did not allow him to candidate himself, but maybe they're even right. 0.99

01:06:18.000 Maybe I don't know something.

01:06:19.000 What was that all about?

01:06:20.000 Do you think it's some of the same forces that are creating the noise here?

01:06:26.000 I mean, again, you have a protest coming up in a couple of days.

01:06:29.000 I have it every single day.

01:06:30.000 Funded by the Soros groups or whatever it may be.

01:06:33.000 Do you think that's happening there and it's just anything that could take out a potential...

01:06:37.000 I have the protests every single day here, all around the country.

01:06:42.000 And as you can see, not only that I'm still alive, I'm still by far the most popular politician in this country, by far.

01:06:52.000 And it's not about protesting, it's about someone's programs, plans, political ideas.

01:07:01.000 If you ask me whether it's the same kitchen like it was happening in Moldova, in Georgia, in Hungary, yeah, I believe so.

01:07:15.000 It doesn't mean that I'm fully right because I don't know many things about Romanian political landscape, but that's how it looks.

01:07:27.000 Do you feel that perhaps you see all the flight from ACK Blue, obviously the big Democrat funder in the United States, do you think that with the cutoff of the USAID funds and all of those, there's a reason that those people are fleeing?

01:07:41.000 Because again, it was the NGOs kicking back to these organizations illegally?

01:07:45.000 That's a big deal here.

01:07:46.000 That's a big deal here.

01:07:48.000 And these people that were very well paid, they became very nervous.

01:07:54.000 That's why they would like to come to power here or to keep the power somewhere else because they need it very much because they are not going to spend your taxpayers' money.

01:08:06.000 They will have to earn it differently in the future, which is not always as easy as it looks.

01:08:12.000 They are not used to market terms.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 Well, I guess when you're playing with house money or other people's money, it's easy to continue a war, just like the Europe mentality in Ukraine.

01:08:24.000 right? 1.00

01:08:24.000 If America's big and dumb... 1.00

01:08:26.000 And they'll pay for it indefinitely. 1.00

01:08:28.000 It's not the end of the world.

01:08:29.000 I will ask, though, this summer I went at a speaking tour across a lot of even Eastern Europe.

01:08:35.000 I think a lot of people, similar mindset to me.

01:08:38.000 But there was this notion, even in these rational places, perhaps here, certainly in Romania, that if you don't figure out Ukraine, Russia's going to sweep through the rest of Europe.

01:08:49.000 As an American, I find that...

01:08:51.000 Almost absurd, but it was a genuine concern for them.

01:08:54.000 I don't think they've necessarily overperformed in this war.

01:08:58.000 I certainly don't think they'd want the actual full force of NATO. There is something to be said about if NATO doesn't carry their weight, why should America be doing that?

01:09:06.000 And, you know, those were all written deals that the rest of the EU hasn't, or the rest of NATO hasn't lived up to.

01:09:10.000 I'm not going to take a lot of your time.

01:09:12.000 We'll tell you the story.

01:09:13.000 Three years ago, when the Russian-Ukrainian war started.

01:09:18.000 Since then, I was attacked more than 10,000 times in Western liberal medias for the alleged fact that Serbia was going to attack neighboring countries because Vucic became an imperialist.

01:09:36.000 Now they compare me with Trump, Putin, and the others.

01:09:39.000 Wait, so you're with Trump and Putin as an imperialist?

01:09:43.000 Any other imperialists?

01:09:44.000 Erdogan.

01:09:45.000 Erdogan?

01:09:45.000 Yes, that's what they say.

01:09:47.000 Four of us, last evening on German ARD main television, we were shown as symbols of imperialism. 0.92

01:10:01.000 And you know what is really hypocritical?

01:10:05.000 Why am I an imperialist? 0.97

01:10:08.000 And then I can tell you why Donald Trump is an imperialist.

01:10:11.000 Because I didn't take any other territories.

01:10:17.000 We lost our territory from their point of view. 0.98

01:10:21.000 We didn't take any.

01:10:22.000 But I still did not agree with them that we should have lost that territory.

01:10:28.000 And that's why I'm an imperialist.

01:10:31.000 Donald Trump is an imperialist because he wants to defend an American interest and he wants to get something for American people.

01:10:44.000 But they always need it.

01:10:46.000 But they were saying for three years that we were going to attack someone in the region.

01:10:50.000 And we didn't do it.

01:10:51.000 And do you believe that none of these big papers, big outlets, were saying, sorry or excuse us, Mr. President, we were lying about you for three years?

01:11:04.000 I'm not shocked at all, actually.

01:11:05.000 I've been dealing with this for nine years now.

01:11:09.000 A very crazy situation.

01:11:11.000 If you deny everything, if you try to defend yourself, you always become too defensive and then people say something's wrong with this guy.

01:11:18.000 And you don't know how to act on this.

01:11:21.000 And then, I don't care anymore.

01:11:24.000 They can write whatever they want, they can say whatever they want.

01:11:28.000 Like I saw that campaign against you after you visited, we say it here, Gothob, or I don't know how you say it in English.

01:11:36.000 In Greenland.

01:11:38.000 Oh, Greenland.

01:11:38.000 When I saw that, I immediately knew that they were lying something because it was too harsh, viciously harsh against you.

01:11:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:47.000 In a very stupid way. 1.00

01:11:49.000 Well, they actually went on the record to say that I was there bribing drug addicts in the streets. 1.00

01:11:55.000 First of all, it's minus 32 degrees.

01:11:57.000 There's no drug addicts in the streets.

01:11:58.000 But you were cravingly trying.

01:12:03.000 You were so eager to meet drug addicts.

01:12:06.000 And they found all those drug addicts at Greenland, you know, with 56,000 people.

01:12:11.000 Come on.

01:12:12.000 And that's how it works in their liberal bubbles all over the world, you know.

01:12:17.000 Yeah, you're guilty if they accuse you of something, and you're also guilty if you fight back.

01:12:22.000 Yes, and then...

01:12:23.000 You're even more guilty if you fight back.

01:12:25.000 Exactly.

01:12:26.000 Because you have no right to strike back.

01:12:29.000 If you are obedient enough, if you are silent, quiet, then...

01:12:35.000 We can forgive you something. 0.99

01:12:37.000 But if you strike back, if you fight back, and now we're going to kill you. 1.00

01:12:42.000 And that's it. 1.00

01:12:43.000 That's how it works.

01:12:44.000 But I also feel like, even if you...

01:12:45.000 You're not going to win everything, and not every hill is the hill to die on.

01:12:48.000 It feels to me, and I've seen this in my own dealings, when I was accused of being a Russian spy or traitor or whatever, you know, who knows.

01:12:56.000 Welcome to club.

01:12:57.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

01:12:58.000 For me, I considered it a great honor.

01:12:59.000 For me, they were saying that I was a member of...

01:13:05.000 That's Russian club, but that's very recently when they wanted to say that I became a traitor, I became a member of the American and European club and all the others.

01:13:16.000 I'm changing, shifting the camps, that's it.

01:13:19.000 Their attack on me, to me, was an honor because it meant I'm always over the target.

01:13:23.000 I was on to something.

01:13:25.000 It was a little bit preposterous, but it didn't matter.

01:13:28.000 But I think what I learned in that lesson is...

01:13:30.000 When they started it, I came right out of the gate.

01:13:33.000 I went on TV that night, a very open book, and even my lawyers, you can't say that.

01:13:38.000 They'll put you in jail.

01:13:39.000 And they were trying.

01:13:41.000 But I think the point that they then came to me two years later, you know what, Don, you were right to fight, because if you curled up in a ball, put your thumb in your mouth and cry for mom, that's the admission of guilt.

01:13:54.000 That's when they even go harder.

01:13:56.000 They would have so far suffocated you.

01:14:03.000 When you have your own ideas, when you have something that you believe that is worthy to fight for, then you have to express it freely, openly, sincerely.

01:14:20.000 And then people will like it.

01:14:23.000 Because whether they're gonna do a lot of scoffing, whether they're gonna What's the future of Western Europe look like?

01:14:52.000 It feels like Eastern still has at least a foothold in reality and in tradition and in identity.

01:15:01.000 I can tell you I hope that Western Europe will revive its economy.

01:15:05.000 That's important for us because we are partly dependent on their growth.

01:15:10.000 That's what I hope.

01:15:11.000 And I hope that politics-wise they will be changed a lot in the future.

01:15:18.000 And I hope that the influence of the United States and Donald Trump will work in a sense to Get to the point where many things are going to be different than they are today.

01:15:33.000 Well, we appreciate you having the guts to actually say that out loud.

01:15:37.000 If other leaders did the same, I think we'd make a lot of progress towards those goals.

01:15:41.000 I always say what I think.

01:15:42.000 And I don't care what the others will say out loud.

01:15:44.000 Me too.

01:15:46.000 Thank you so much.

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